From churst35@verizon.net Sat Dec 1 07:19:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B386750090 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 07:19:34 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.575 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.575 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.335, BAYES_50=0.001, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 10 (1203?) (up: 684 hrs), (distance 14, link: ethernet/modem), [206.46.173.1] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KD-eBg6d-rrS for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 07:19:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA48D750089 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 07:19:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from xplaptop ([70.110.241.230]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JSC00HO4ZWKQLL2@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 01:09:57 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 02:18:40 -0800 From: "Hurst, Cody" To: Message-id: <008301c83403$8ba34b20$0c0110ac@xplaptop> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0080_01C833C0.7D03FD50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Subject: [orca-list] ubuntu server boot command X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 07:19:34 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C833C0.7D03FD50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok folks, I absolutely hate these boot commands but I can't find anything that = describes how to boot the 7.10 server with brltty and no one is replying = on the other list. So how do I start braille output from the server? = Thanks I've tried the f5 menu and tried all the options bu still nothing is = working. Sincerely, Cody Hurst 215-292-8606 Computer repairs, builds and advice. ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C833C0.7D03FD50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok folks,
 
  I absolutely hate these boot = commands but I=20 can't find anything that describes how to boot the 7.10 server with = brltty and=20 no one is replying on the other list. So how do I start braille output = from the=20 server? Thanks
 
I've tried the f5 menu and tried all = the options bu=20 still nothing is working.
 
Sincerely,
 
Cody Hurst
 
215-292-8606
 
Computer repairs, builds and=20 advice.
------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C833C0.7D03FD50-- From suseROCKS@bryen.com Sat Dec 1 13:56:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C3DF750117 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:56:31 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 3747 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [208.100.11.27] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Kq1aLl8G9Pre for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:56:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from tesla.server5vh.com (tesla.server5vh.com [208.100.11.27]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE76D750106 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:55:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from c-24-12-98-76.hsd1.il.comcast.net ([24.12.98.76]:16809 helo=[10.1.10.10]) by tesla.server5vh.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IySoz-0007TB-Rm for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 07:55:53 -0600 From: Bryen To: orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1196510912.15035.20.camel@sparky> References: <1196443987.9973.44.camel@desktop.bryen.info> <1196510912.15035.20.camel@sparky> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 07:55:50 -0600 Message-Id: <1196517350.4731.2.camel@desktop.bryen.info> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - tesla.server5vh.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - bryen.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [orca-list] Evolution crash with Orca running X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: suseROCKS@bryen.com List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 13:56:31 -0000 On Sat, 2007-12-01 at 12:08 +0000, Chris Norman wrote: > On Fri, 2007-11-30 at 11:33 -0600, Bryen wrote: > > Since I've started playing with Orca magnifier this past week, I have > > had mysterious crashes of Evolution in the background. Even when > > Evolution is not in focus. If i am not running Orca magnifier, > > Evolution stays stable. > > > > I'm going to investigate this a bit more before doing anything. But > > before I did, I wanted to know if anyone else experienced similar > > problems? > > > > Evolution 2.12.0 > > Orca 2.20.0-3 > > I also get strange crashes. No bug-buddy, just a close. When I've run it > out of the terminal, the last thing is a SEGFAULT. Is this what you get? > Actually Bug Buddy does show up for me, but my Bug Buddy is somewhat broken. I'm going to have to try to fix that this weekend then run it again to see if I can capture the exact error log. At least you've verified that it isn't just me. Thanks. > I am using: > Evolution-2.10.1, and orca V2.20.1 > > HTH. > > > > -- ---Bryen--- From sergionevess@gmail.com Sat Dec 1 15:08:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 669E5750118 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 15:08:59 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 8516 hrs), (distance 19, link: (Google 2)), [64.233.182.186] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uqrKupT9Nn3J for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 15:08:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.186]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D88B97500DB for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 15:08:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f5so2032079nfh for ; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 07:08:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.122.16 with SMTP id u16mr123281huc.1196521705483; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 07:08:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from ricardo ( [213.22.4.223]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h7sm2686026nfh.2007.12.01.07.08.22 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 01 Dec 2007 07:08:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000a01c8342c$0494dfd0$df0416d5@ricardo> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E9rgio_Neves?= To: Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 15:08:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Subject: [orca-list] Tabs with brltty and orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 15:08:59 -0000 Hello, When I press the tab key on graphical editors, such as gedit and eclipse, my braille display presents a strange character (that occupies one cell), instead of presenting the normal space (a variable number of cells) that appears on screen and sometimes it makes me think that the document is poorly indented, when in fact it's correctly indented. In nano editor, it represents the tab correctly. What causes this problem? Is it brlapi's problem, orca's problem or editor's problem? Thanks Best regards Srgio Neves From gaijin@clearwire.net Sat Dec 1 21:26:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B37457500AC for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 21:26:07 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.303 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.303 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 6607 hrs), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [69.49.106.15] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K8t8l9PxCrOj for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 21:26:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail805.megamailservers.com (mail805.carrierinternetsolutions.com [69.49.106.15]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A405E750377 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 21:24:48 +0000 (GMT) X-POP-User: vanye.clearwire.net Received: from ravensong.clearwire.net (69-44-252-62.mrc.clearwire-dns.net [69.44.252.62]) by mail805.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB1LOiTI001194 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:24:46 -0500 Received: from ravensong.clearwire.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ravensong.clearwire.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lB1LPVJe004403 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 14:25:31 -0700 Received: (from gaijin@localhost) by ravensong.clearwire.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id lB1LPVOP004402 for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:25:31 -0800 Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:25:31 -0800 From: Gaijin To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20071201212531.GA4375@clearwire.net> References: <000a01c8342c$0494dfd0$df0416d5@ricardo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <000a01c8342c$0494dfd0$df0416d5@ricardo> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Subject: Re: [orca-list] Tabs with brltty and orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 21:26:07 -0000 On Sat, Dec 01, 2007 at 03:08:22PM -0000, Srgio Neves wrote: > When I press the tab key on graphical editors, such as gedit and eclipse, my > braille display presents a strange character (that occupies one cell), It's a Tab character. Understand that the Tab is only one character to the computer, and is treated differently than a standard alpha-numeric character, and may be displayed as a variable length of white-space, much like the new-line or carriage return characters. nano most likely displays the Tab character by displaying it as spaces, rather than as an actual Tab character. If nano converts the character to spaces, it will take more than a single backspace to remove it, while a non-converted Tab takes only one backspace to remove it. The computer doesn't know what a Tab is. To the computer, it is just another numeric variable in memory to be displayed on the screen as a specific amount of white-space, or like a character with special instructions associated with it, much like an alias or a script. All that you're actually seeing is that there are two ways of displaying the Tab character. nano is converting the character to white-space on it's own, while other editors are letting the operating system handle how things are being presented. Nano is just converting your key-press to multiple spaces. HTH, Michael From jheim@math.wisc.edu Sat Dec 1 21:28:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A175A7500B4 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 21:28:07 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.998 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, L_P0F_Unix=-1, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 10 (beta), (distance 22, link: ethernet/modem), [144.92.197.211] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g2TkdKPJKZlg for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 21:28:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from agogare.doit.wisc.edu (agogare.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.197.211]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B10B7500AC for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 21:27:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from avs-daemon.smtpauth2.wiscmail.wisc.edu by smtpauth2.wiscmail.wisc.edu (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JSE00J013LZVD00@smtpauth2.wiscmail.wisc.edu> for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 15:27:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from hornung (mdsnwi13-vlan437-17.dsl.tds.net [66.222.31.17]) by smtpauth2.wiscmail.wisc.edu (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JSE00HFR3LSRT10@smtpauth2.wiscmail.wisc.edu> for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 15:27:29 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 15:27:28 -0600 From: John Heim To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-id: <007301c83460$f9c4fb00$0501a8c0@hornung> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-PmxInfo: Server=avs-8, Version=5.3.3.310218, Antispam-Engine: 2.5.2.313940, Antispam-Data: 2007.12.1.130539, SenderIP=66.222.31.17 Subject: [orca-list] ImportError: No module named brl X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 21:28:07 -0000 I'm trying to install orca on a debian testing (aka lenny) system. I added a couple of lines to my sources.list file I'm getting the following error when I start orca: Traceback (most recent call last): File "", line 1, in ? File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.4/orca/orca.py", line 55, in ? import braille File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.4/orca/braille.py", line 53, in ? import brl ImportError: No module named brl My system is running debian testing. I installed orca by adding a couple of lines to my sources.list to include experimental archives. Then I said: apt-get install gnome-common apt-get install gnome-orca I also tried: apt-get build-dep gnome-orca But that generated an error message that said it was unable to find a source package for gnome-orca. I have an AMD64 machine. Maybe the AMD64 archives are different from the i386 archives. From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Sun Dec 2 10:49:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78C517501BB for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 10:49:31 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.188] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uvuYpHGIxkC4 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 10:49:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5A10750007 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 10:48:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.178.24] (p57A59297.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.165.146.151]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu8) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML31I-1IymNc3xEW-00033o; Sun, 02 Dec 2007 11:48:57 +0100 From: Hermann To: orca-list Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 11:49:03 +0100 Message-Id: <1196592543.6342.9.camel@notebook> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+9LUw0HEmwhzB+furCQWhyGrpQ2dqUvftCII0 XOxe8wBsqwG+4aiFBXzOOi+230fBKpUIy/M4zJ44HQsHOcH2TG pZ9fREAAMOWpyEZVfTl2g== Subject: [orca-list] Speech-dispatcher won't start after upgrade X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 10:49:31 -0000 Hi, because SD sometimes crashes without any reason, I upgraded from 0.6.3-testing to 0.6.4. Because this package wasn't in the Ubuntu repository, I had to do this manually by downloading the packages related to SD from the Debian pool. After installing, /var/run/speech-dispatcher/speech-dispatcher.pid isn't created automatically anymore. I have to create it manually after every start. Otherwise I get the message that it cannot be created because of wrong permission. The startup script in /etc/init.d is unchanged. There's a user "speech-dispatcher" that belongs also to the group "audio". So what's going wrong? Why does an upgrade screw up all the SD settings? In the meantime I had to switch to Gnome-Speech again, which would be sufficient, if that annoying OSS/Alsa thing can be solved in the near future. Hermann From sergionevess@gmail.com Sun Dec 2 11:27:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB7537500A6 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 11:27:10 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.74 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.74 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 6793 hrs), (distance 17, link: (Google 2)), [209.85.134.189] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d8dS3zp4QfOU for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 11:27:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.189]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2C38750007 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 11:26:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id w8so33681mue for ; Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:26:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.82.121.15 with SMTP id t15mr6798035buc.1196594793203; Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:26:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from ricardo ( [213.22.32.83]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm10261320nfv.2007.12.02.03.26.30 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:26:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00d701c834d6$2fece880$532016d5@ricardo> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E9rgio_Neves?= To: References: <000a01c8342c$0494dfd0$df0416d5@ricardo> <20071201212531.GA4375@clearwire.net> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 11:26:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Tabs with brltty and orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 11:27:10 -0000 Hi, Sorry for my ignorance, but I haven't understood this yet. Why is tab key displayed as a unique character both on screen and on braille display, but this unique character occupies the exact space on screen in a way that for sighted people the text looks indented, but on the perspective of the braille display it isn't indented, or is indented with a number of spaces that in fact it does not have? It doesn't make sense to me. I have already understood that the problem is not on orca or on brltty, but this situation is strange to me because if it is the operating system that is responsible for managing this appearance, why isn't this appearance uniform on the two output devices? With nano, when I press tab, it appears both on screen and on braille display what is expected, and when I press backspace once, the tab character is all deleted. I have configured gedit to transform tabs in spaces, but I would like to understand this and to have a solution for this problem (in my view it's a problem, lol). Thanks Best regards Srgio Neves ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gaijin" To: Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [orca-list] Tabs with brltty and orca On Sat, Dec 01, 2007 at 03:08:22PM -0000, Srgio Neves wrote: > When I press the tab key on graphical editors, such as gedit and eclipse, > my > braille display presents a strange character (that occupies one cell), It's a Tab character. Understand that the Tab is only one character to the computer, and is treated differently than a standard alpha-numeric character, and may be displayed as a variable length of white-space, much like the new-line or carriage return characters. nano most likely displays the Tab character by displaying it as spaces, rather than as an actual Tab character. If nano converts the character to spaces, it will take more than a single backspace to remove it, while a non-converted Tab takes only one backspace to remove it. The computer doesn't know what a Tab is. To the computer, it is just another numeric variable in memory to be displayed on the screen as a specific amount of white-space, or like a character with special instructions associated with it, much like an alias or a script. All that you're actually seeing is that there are two ways of displaying the Tab character. nano is converting the character to white-space on it's own, while other editors are letting the operating system handle how things are being presented. Nano is just converting your key-press to multiple spaces. HTH, Michael _______________________________________________ Orca-list mailing list Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From mwhapples@aim.com Sun Dec 2 18:39:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2785F750007 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 18:39:30 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.185 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.185 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 8 (1), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [205.188.157.38] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cy8-SHarCX9M for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 18:39:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82293750099 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 18:38:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mwhapples@aim.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id h.c99.228f65dc (57882) for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 13:38:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.64] ([87.112.54.76]) by air-ia04.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILINIA44-e21a4752fbad3d9; Sun, 02 Dec 2007 13:38:51 -0500 From: Michael Whapples To: orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <00d701c834d6$2fece880$532016d5@ricardo> References: <000a01c8342c$0494dfd0$df0416d5@ricardo> <20071201212531.GA4375@clearwire.net> <00d701c834d6$2fece880$532016d5@ricardo> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 18:40:59 +0000 Message-Id: <1196620859.3571.23.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 87.112.54.76 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Tabs with brltty and orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 18:39:30 -0000 I will try and explain this, and I believe it is a brltty and orca issue. All characters in a computer have a unique value, and it is up to the computer (operating system or any other software controlling the output devices) to decide how these should be displayed. In a text console, I believe it expands tabs for the display (enters the number of spaces needed to make the correct indentation) and for nano I guess that orca is getting this expanded tab (nano understands it as a tab character, that is why when backspacing a tab in nano it only takes one press to remove it). For gedit (or other GUI apps such as eclipse), orca is interacting with the app, not a console (display system) so recieves the tab character itself. Orca could expand the tab (I think the windows based screen readers do), but orca doesn't and passes the tab character to brltty. Brltty might be able to expand the tab as well, but the table for nabcc (/etc/brltty/text.nabcc.tbl which probably is the table you are using) defines tab as dots 2 4 7 and 8. You will find other characters which bring up strange braille symbols (the carrage return character, used by windows as part of the new line marker displays dots 1 3 4 7 and 8). Infact this behaviour isn't entirely unique to orca and linux, the linux new line character (typically \n in programming or value 0x0A in hex) when viewed in notepad by window-eyes appears in braille as dots 2 4 5 7 and 8. To state it shortly, something needs to process the tab characters, console apps have the console doing this, but GUI apps miss that middle step out and communicate direct with orca and so nothing changes them to multiple spaces. Now how to resolve this. Either orca needs modifying which should be possible but requires programming skills, or alter the brltty table although I am unsure if brltty supports mapping a single character to multiple braille cells. Hope this helps you understand why and what might be done about it. From Michael Whapples From mwhapples@aim.com Sun Dec 2 18:51:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66F5775007E for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 18:51:58 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 8 (1), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [205.188.157.38] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UNMNLtt90fLh for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 18:51:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC94C750007 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 18:51:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mwhapples@aim.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d4d.14b46bca (57880); Sun, 2 Dec 2007 13:51:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.64] ([87.112.54.76]) by air-ia04.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILINIA42-e2184752fe923e3; Sun, 02 Dec 2007 13:51:01 -0500 From: Michael Whapples To: Hermann In-Reply-To: <1196592543.6342.9.camel@notebook> References: <1196592543.6342.9.camel@notebook> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 18:53:20 +0000 Message-Id: <1196621600.3571.35.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 87.112.54.76 Cc: orca-list Subject: Re: [orca-list] Speech-dispatcher won't start after upgrade X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 18:51:58 -0000 Not knowing ubuntu well enough, I don't know what directories allready exist and which ones get created on boot. I would suggest finding out what group owns the directory which will contain the newly created parts for the pid file (eg. if /var/run/speech-dispatcher exists after booting but the pid file doesn't, so find the group for /var/run/speech-dispatcher) and add the speech-dispatcher user to the group and make sure the group can write to the directory (eg. chmod g+rw /var/run/speech-dispatcher). Does this help? Does the speech-dispatcher package included with ubuntu have the espeak specific module or the espeak-generic one? Since moving to speech-dispatcher 0.6.4 (and recently higher) stability of speech-dispatcher seems to have improved (the crashes I got before seemed to be related to the espeak-generic module returning incorrect bytes (from what I could make out in the log files). From Michael Whapples On Sun, 2007-12-02 at 11:49 +0100, Hermann wrote: > Hi, > because SD sometimes crashes without any reason, I upgraded from > 0.6.3-testing to 0.6.4. > Because this package wasn't in the Ubuntu repository, I had to do this > manually by downloading the packages related to SD from the Debian pool. > After installing, /var/run/speech-dispatcher/speech-dispatcher.pid isn't > created automatically anymore. > I have to create it manually after every start. Otherwise I get the > message that it cannot be created because of wrong permission. > The startup script in /etc/init.d is unchanged. > There's a user "speech-dispatcher" that belongs also to the group > "audio". > So what's going wrong? Why does an upgrade screw up all the SD settings? > In the meantime I had to switch to Gnome-Speech again, which would be > sufficient, if that annoying OSS/Alsa thing can be solved in the near > future. > Hermann > > > > From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Sun Dec 2 22:25:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52817750110 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 22:25:50 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.177] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id emSNZkoD-T67 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 22:25:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE4237500F6 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 22:25:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.178.22] (p57A59297.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.165.146.151]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu5) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML25U-1IyxFT0A5U-0000l5; Sun, 02 Dec 2007 23:25:15 +0100 From: Hermann To: Michael Whapples In-Reply-To: <1196621600.3571.35.camel@localhost> References: <1196592543.6342.9.camel@notebook> <1196621600.3571.35.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 23:25:21 +0100 Message-Id: <1196634321.5850.8.camel@notebook> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+pIf8L/95IuvXdyU5T+1TZ1iWFEaGLFlUirts yo98bdeY8uwfRDSsfPSj5i+F0yAAzui7qr0kv9GLQCoIwUdyLU 2TpxIN6HXFnNx2Il+WBMQ== Cc: orca-list Subject: Re: [orca-list] Speech-dispatcher won't start after upgrade X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 22:25:50 -0000 Hi, in fact /var/run/speech-dispatcher gets deleted when the computer is shut down. This wasn't the case in the older version, neiter is it the case on my desktop machine with GRML, which is a Debian based distro. The user speech-dispatcher belongs to the group audio, as it should be. I use the espeak module only. The only workaround I found is adding the following two lines to the speech-dispatcher startup script: mkdir /var/run/speech-dispatcher chown speech-dispatcher:audio /var/run/speech-dispatcher But that's rather uncommon and not really necessary, if SD would work correctly. Hermann From christian08@runbox.com Sun Dec 2 23:26:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37CE6750081 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 23:26:37 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.228 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.228 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.178, BAYES_40=-0.185, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) (up: 2201 hrs), (distance 21, link: ethernet/modem), [193.71.199.94] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CheXRdR3KoKc for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 23:26:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from aibo.runbox.com (aibo.runbox.com [193.71.199.94]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C775975007D for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 23:26:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [10.9.9.160] (helo=penny.runbox.com) by greyhound.runbox.com with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IyyCH-0004Fl-FG for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 00:26:01 +0100 Received: from [81.216.142.231] (helo=127.0.0.1) by penny.runbox.com with esmtpsa (uid:521761 ) (SSL 3.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.50) id 1IyyCH-0004s7-6Z for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 00:26:01 +0100 Message-ID: <200712030026010078.002D6055@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 00:26:01 +0100 From: "Christian" To: orca-list@gnome.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [orca-list] Mounting partitions under Gnome X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 23:26:37 -0000 Hi all, Yes, this is not related to orca, but maybe someone can help me with this. I can mount my NTFS partitions as root, but i want to be able to mount them= from within Gnome as the normal user. I am not asked for a password when i= press enter on them. How do I do to be able to mount them? Many thanks, Christian From jawswizard@ec.rr.com Sun Dec 2 23:48:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D8897500B9 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 23:48:47 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.998 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 10 (1203?) (firewall!) (up: 2263 hrs), (distance 17, link: ethernet/modem), [75.180.132.121] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q3nsrf-hSkoI for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 23:48:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC6D7750081 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 23:48:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from DH0N1F61 ([66.56.201.40]) by cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20071202234814.FOBS27254.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@DH0N1F61> for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 23:48:14 +0000 From: "Jeffrey Shockley" To: Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 18:48:14 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c8353d$ce34c0a0$0402a8c0@DH0N1F61> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C83513.E55EB8A0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Acg1Pc3OkBrtSVb6SqW6JIqOiJHLyg== Subject: [orca-list] Reading dialog boxes with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 23:48:48 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C83513.E55EB8A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I'm new to both Orca and this list. I just started using a Ubuntu live CD yesterday because I wanted to play with it and see how it works. I have looked on the Gnome website in the keyboard commands sections for laptops, since I'm running the live CD on a laptop. The one command I can not find is one to read dialog boxes. Does a command exist for doing this? If so could someone please give me = the laptop keyboard command for accomplishing this task? Thanks! Jeffrey Shockley=20 =20 Check out my blog! The URL is http://jeffreyshockley.livejournal.com =20 "You learn something new every day!" "You can do anything if you put your mind to it!" "It is not what we see that determines who we are. It is how we choose = to see it." --Doomed Dragon =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C83513.E55EB8A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C83513.E55EB8A0-- From jawswizard@ec.rr.com Mon Dec 3 01:56:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2075F7500AA for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 01:56:56 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.998 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 10 (1203?) (firewall!) (up: 2119 hrs), (distance 17, link: ethernet/modem), [75.180.132.121] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y3yGrnjO3HTY for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 01:56:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF907750099 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 01:56:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from DH0N1F61 ([66.56.201.40]) by cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20071203015622.OKU8432.cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com@DH0N1F61> for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 01:56:22 +0000 From: "Jeffrey Shockley" To: Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 20:56:22 -0500 Message-ID: <002701c8354f$b4aacc80$0402a8c0@DH0N1F61> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0028_01C83525.CBD4C480" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acg1T7Rc0bWyfCFvRAuMADQzU5n0aw== Importance: Normal Subject: [orca-list] Reading help screens with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 01:56:56 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C83525.CBD4C480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi again, I am trying to read the various help systems for programs in Ubuntu so I = can learn how to use them. How can I select the different topics and read them with Orca? Is this doable? Thanks! Jeffrey Shockley =20 Check out my blog! The URL is http://jeffreyshockley.livejournal.com =20 "You learn something new every day!" "You can do anything if you put your mind to it!" "It is not what we see that determines who we are. It is how we choose = to see it." --Doomed Dragon =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C83525.CBD4C480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
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------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C83525.CBD4C480-- From cerha@brailcom.org Mon Dec 3 08:11:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0048750135 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 08:11:21 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.557 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.557 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.042, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 8093 hrs), (distance 21, link: ethernet/modem), [81.25.16.212] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xBb06zA2DyZe for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 08:11:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx4.tartarnet.cz (mx4.tartarnet.cz [81.25.16.212]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 636E57500AA for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 08:10:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tartarnet.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32DAC6071646 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 09:10:44 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at Received: from mx4.tartarnet.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx4.tartarnet.cz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kiHtBpoeBxWN for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 09:10:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.0.0.2] (unknown [10.22.13.12]) by mx4.tartarnet.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F3F66070EF9 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 09:10:37 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4753BA29.4020405@brailcom.org> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 09:11:21 +0100 From: Tomas Cerha Organization: Brailcom, o.p.s. User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071008) MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: orca-list References: <1196592543.6342.9.camel@notebook> <1196621600.3571.35.camel@localhost> <1196634321.5850.8.camel@notebook> In-Reply-To: <1196634321.5850.8.camel@notebook> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Speech-dispatcher won't start after upgrade X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 08:11:22 -0000 Hermann wrote: > The only workaround I found is adding the following two lines to the > speech-dispatcher startup script: > mkdir /var/run/speech-dispatcher > chown speech-dispatcher:audio /var/run/speech-dispatcher > But that's rather uncommon and not really necessary, if SD would work > correctly. Hello Hermann, SD works correctly, but the Debian startup script is simply not designed for Ubuntu. You should either not use Debian packages on Ubuntu or you must be prepared to invent such workarounds. Best regards, Tomas From cerha@brailcom.org Mon Dec 3 08:22:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C53EB7501D3 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 08:22:01 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.557 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.557 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.042, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 8093 hrs), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [81.25.16.212] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bPSPT482JK+l for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 08:21:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx4.tartarnet.cz (mx4.tartarnet.cz [81.25.16.212]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E7737501AC for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 08:21:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tartarnet.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B0AE6071650 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 09:21:28 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at Received: from mx4.tartarnet.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx4.tartarnet.cz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pgu1tKren10i for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 09:21:22 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.0.0.2] (unknown [10.22.13.12]) by mx4.tartarnet.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 909D4607164E for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 09:21:22 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4753BCAE.4030306@brailcom.org> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 09:22:06 +0100 From: Tomas Cerha Organization: Brailcom, o.p.s. User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071008) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Orca screen reader developers References: <1196592543.6342.9.camel@notebook> In-Reply-To: <1196592543.6342.9.camel@notebook> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Speech-dispatcher won't start after upgrade X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 08:22:02 -0000 Hermann napsal(a): > because SD sometimes crashes without any reason, I upgraded from > 0.6.3-testing to 0.6.4. Hello Hermann, 0.6.3-testing in Ubuntu is basically the same version as 0.6.4 in Debian, so I wouldn't expect it to solve your problem. Best regards, Tomas From themuso@themuso.com Mon Dec 3 08:52:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFB45750093 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 08:52:10 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.799 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [16384:53:1:48:M1460,S,E:P:?:?], (link: ethernet/modem), [203.16.214.57] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V4E2OzUE-eue for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 08:52:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.57]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADA1875008C for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 08:51:36 +0000 (GMT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CALxSU0d5LDap/2dsb2JhbAA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.23,242,1194183000"; d="scan'208";a="9952056" Received: from ppp121-44-54-169.lns10.syd7.internode.on.net (HELO localhost) ([121.44.54.169]) by ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 03 Dec 2007 19:21:30 +1030 Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:51:29 +1100 From: Luke Yelavich To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20071203085129.GA24453@marin.yelavich.home> References: <1196592543.6342.9.camel@notebook> <4753BCAE.4030306@brailcom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4753BCAE.4030306@brailcom.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15+20070412 (2007-04-11) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Speech-dispatcher won't start after upgrade X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 08:52:11 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Dec 03, 2007 at 07:22:06PM EST, Tomas Cerha wrote: > Hello Hermann, 0.6.3-testing in Ubuntu is basically the same version as > 0.6.4 in Debian, so I wouldn't expect it to solve your problem. This is indeed the case. 0.6.4 final was released not long after I put 0.6.4 beta into Ubuntu, and no changes were made, however I did include two important patches in the Ubuntu package, one of which I wrote myself, and the other was written by another membe of the community, to fix some 64-bit issues. Just a note on 0.6.5, I will be making backported packages of 0.6.5 final, as well as the latest orca etc in the next couple of days. - -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email & MSN: themuso@themuso.com Jabber: themuso@jabber.org.au -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHU8ORjVefwtBjIM4RArlIAKDkbygdpIHoueWYT98867Czn2rLfwCeLXiJ TTwfmAZd/gyHWyA1FaOpW00= =KiEY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Mon Dec 3 09:07:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85057750120 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 09:07:51 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.187] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7SceZmgFLAyF for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 09:07:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F7DE750118 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 09:07:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from grml (p57A59F20.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.165.159.32]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKwtQ-1Iz7GW1eOC-0001IP; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 10:07:00 +0100 Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:07:00 +0100 From: Hermann To: Tomas Cerha Message-ID: <20071203090700.GA4962@grml> References: <1196592543.6342.9.camel@notebook> <1196621600.3571.35.camel@localhost> <1196634321.5850.8.camel@notebook> <4753BA29.4020405@brailcom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4753BA29.4020405@brailcom.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+0Wh/5cd1iLsFzmzrkBRfXy8TPnocTLqgAJvK +TwxHhtXdELP+L7Ze8XrJWfv7GntUAiczwP+KScnTbs24o4kEs yl4n0Kvj9xNoN7ZuvzcxA== Cc: orca-list Subject: Re: [orca-list] Speech-dispatcher won't start after upgrade X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 09:07:55 -0000 Hello Tomas, Ubuntu is based on Debian, so I don't know the difference. I always thought I can use Packages from the Debian pool for Ubuntu. I don't know Whether the crashes still occur. Till now it didn't happen, but lets see... Hermann -- I use grml (http://grml.org/) From mwhapples@aim.com Mon Dec 3 09:58:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65C577500C9 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 09:58:01 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 8 (1), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [64.12.137.11] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nNBIQsDLJnyo for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 09:57:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imo-m19.mx.aol.com (imo-m19.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.11]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F0CA7500D0 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 09:57:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mwhapples@aim.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id h.c88.1c32c64c (57880) for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 04:57:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.64] ([87.112.54.76]) by air-ia04.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILINIA42-e2184753d2fe2d1; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 04:57:23 -0500 From: Michael Whapples To: orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <4753BA29.4020405@brailcom.org> References: <1196592543.6342.9.camel@notebook> <1196621600.3571.35.camel@localhost> <1196634321.5850.8.camel@notebook> <4753BA29.4020405@brailcom.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 09:59:40 +0000 Message-Id: <1196675981.3431.4.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 87.112.54.76 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Speech-dispatcher won't start after upgrade X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 09:58:01 -0000 On Mon, 2007-12-03 at 09:11 +0100, Tomas Cerha wrote: > Hermann wrote: > > The only workaround I found is adding the following two lines to the > > speech-dispatcher startup script: > > mkdir /var/run/speech-dispatcher > > chown speech-dispatcher:audio /var/run/speech-dispatcher > > But that's rather uncommon and not really necessary, if SD would work > > correctly. > > Hello Hermann, SD works correctly, but the Debian startup script is > simply not designed for Ubuntu. You should either not use Debian > packages on Ubuntu or you must be prepared to invent such workarounds. > I would say that installing from source would probably be better (even looking at the ubuntu package source (the stuff used to create the package) and then it will be installed the same as the ubuntu package and may be even go as far as creating the package (but I don't know what is involved in ubuntu package building)). From Michael Whapples > Best regards, Tomas > From buchal@ferda.buchal.name Mon Dec 3 10:43:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C85537500E6 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:43:24 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.309 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.309 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.155, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (NAT!) (up: 7 hrs), (distance 20, link: pppoe (DSL)), [84.244.83.207] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mjmlvT64HHVV for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:43:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ferda.buchal.name (207-83-244-84.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz [84.244.83.207]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4B6B3750101 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:42:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 14153 invoked by uid 1001); 3 Dec 2007 11:42:50 +0100 To: John Heim From: Jan Buchal Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 11:42:07 +0100 In-Reply-To: <007301c83460$f9c4fb00$0501a8c0@hornung> (John Heim's message of "Sat\, 01 Dec 2007 15\:27\:28 -0600") Message-ID: <86r6i4t5z4.fsf@ferda.buchal.xx> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) References: <007301c83460$f9c4fb00$0501a8c0@hornung> Lines: 19 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] ImportError: No module named brl X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 10:43:25 -0000 >>>>> "JH" == John Heim writes: JH> I'm trying to install orca on a debian testing (aka lenny) JH> system. I added a couple of lines to my sources.list file I'm JH> getting the following error when I start orca: JH> Traceback (most recent call last): File "", line 1, in ? JH> File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.4/orca/orca.py", line 55, JH> in ? import braille File JH> "/var/lib/python-support/python2.4/orca/braille.py", line 53, in JH> ? import brl ImportError: No module named brl You need python-brlapi package which is in unstable only. -- Jan Buchal Tel: (00420) 24 24 86 008 Mob: (00420) 608023021 From mwhapples@aim.com Mon Dec 3 14:04:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 637A6750080 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 14:04:12 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 8 (1), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [64.12.137.11] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K6F-Ol9IhQDB for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 14:04:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imo-m19.mx.aol.com (imo-m19.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.11]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CBFA75016B for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 14:03:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mwhapples@aim.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id h.cc1.231c0993 (57882) for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 09:03:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.64] ([87.112.54.76]) by air-ia04.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILINIA44-e21a47540cb431e; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 09:03:34 -0500 From: Michael Whapples To: orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1196509431.15035.9.camel@sparky> References: <1196417854.5102.20.camel@localhost> <1196419772.5802.9.camel@notebook> <1196421521.5102.72.camel@localhost> <1196509431.15035.9.camel@sparky> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 14:05:54 +0000 Message-Id: <1196690754.3431.32.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 87.112.54.76 Subject: Re: [orca-list] orca braille display keys X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 14:04:12 -0000 On Sat, 2007-12-01 at 11:43 +0000, Chris Norman wrote: > On Fri, 2007-11-30 at 11:18 +0000, Michael Whapples wrote: > ... > > I probably would agree that flat review is fine for braille in most > > cases, but in firefox (and possibly other apps) the page doesn't seem to > > be possible to get at using flat review (even using flat review with > > speech). This may need to be changed for certain apps to allow > > convenient reading of documents from a braille display (so I can just > > sit back and put my hands on the display and keep them there to read the > > whole document). > > > > Alternatively, not knowing whether brltty supports these keys on the > > alva or if other displays even have enough keys suitable for this, you > > could have two sets of braille navigation keys (on the alva I might > > suggest the scroll keys at the front would navigate the control, as I > > want for document reading, and then a satellite pad might be used for > > flat review (that way as I feel flat review is normally not being used > > for long document reading but just hunting something out on the screen, > > so document reading should be more convenient)). > > > > Anyone got thoughts on this topic, or any solutions for me? > > Why could there not be a key command (on the keyboard) which would > switch from the display being in flat review, to possibly (I am using a > voyager Tieman thing) having the inner keys working directly as arrow > keys? > Yes that would be a good option as well. > It would also be nice if the cursor keys could act as mouse clicks, 1 > click 2 click (for a double click), and 3 clicks for a right mouse > button? > For me as a alva user this seems a bit much, the alva has double cursor routing keys (two rows of them) and in windows using window-eyes one row behaves as right click and the other as left click. This is the thing, different displays have different buttons, I think there is one with triple cursor routing keys, so could even have one row as double click, so should orca have different braille key maps for different displays to get the most from them all or have one compromise. From Michael Whapples > What do people think of that? > > ORCA+t could be used to TOGGLE the state of the braille display. > > HTH. > > > > > > From > > Michael Whapples > > On Fri, 2007-11-30 at 11:49 +0100, Hermann wrote: > > > Hi, > > > I use the same braille display, and it's the same thing here. > > > Braille always uses the flat review, I think. > > > I remember discussions in this list las spring, where a majority of > > > users viewed this as correct, and didn't see the necessity to change > > > anything in displaying braille within Orca. > > > Hermann > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Mon Dec 3 14:25:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA59F7500E8 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 14:25:37 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.186] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MZQeluQ90BEy for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 14:25:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D6F8750080 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 14:25:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.178.23] (p57A59F20.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.165.159.32]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKwtQ-1IzCEI0aGZ-0000rc; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 15:25:03 +0100 Message-ID: <475411BE.1070909@onlinehome.de> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 15:25:02 +0100 From: Hermann User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Whapples References: <1196417854.5102.20.camel@localhost> <1196419772.5802.9.camel@notebook> <1196421521.5102.72.camel@localhost> <1196509431.15035.9.camel@sparky> <1196690754.3431.32.camel@localhost> In-Reply-To: <1196690754.3431.32.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/64gdYYRLxiM7YTNPSifKeR1mtAhVArGnOmwI /KLtHpJPjNclz0MLWtO1npRquzbLKhiyAUp+nMyFiLEjC2X5bZ rwE4HAJJ4XON5XPloO0hg== Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] orca braille display keys X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 14:25:37 -0000 The braille functionality in Windows is due to the fact, that Windows screen readers have their own braille drivers. The use of the upper row of routing keys as right key click does only work under Jaws and Window eyes. I can't remember having seen this work in brltty - can't test it now, I'm writing this in Thunderbird for Windows - but I try it later. So the conclusion is that there should be an Orca specific driver for braille. And in order to change flat review and focus tracking mode, there must be a key to switch them explicitly, like we have it in Jaws. When I remember right, in Window Eyes the braille display tracks the pointer or the WE cursor, and not the caret. Hermann From mwhapples@aim.com Mon Dec 3 14:59:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A76647500EB for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 14:59:19 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 8 (1), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [205.188.157.38] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id on6s684ZgRUb for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 14:59:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ED47750120 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 14:58:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mwhapples@aim.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id h.d0e.18801b69 (57882) for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 09:58:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.64] ([87.112.54.76]) by air-ia04.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILINIA44-e21a4754199a2f0; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 09:58:36 -0500 From: Michael Whapples To: orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <475411BE.1070909@onlinehome.de> References: <1196417854.5102.20.camel@localhost> <1196419772.5802.9.camel@notebook> <1196421521.5102.72.camel@localhost> <1196509431.15035.9.camel@sparky> <1196690754.3431.32.camel@localhost> <475411BE.1070909@onlinehome.de> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 15:00:57 +0000 Message-Id: <1196694057.3431.38.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 87.112.54.76 Subject: Re: [orca-list] orca braille display keys X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 14:59:19 -0000 I have just looked at brltty and the different rows of cursor routing keys. It seems that brltty knows the difference, the upper row describes the character at that position and the lower row moves the cursor to the position. I don't know if it makes this available through the API (I think it does, hope I am not getting confused with the libbraille API I have used in the past for some of my own software). From Michael Whapples On Mon, 2007-12-03 at 15:25 +0100, Hermann wrote: > The braille functionality in Windows is due to the fact, that Windows > screen readers have their own braille drivers. > The use of the upper row of routing keys as right key click does only > work under Jaws and Window eyes. I can't remember having seen this work > in brltty - can't test it now, I'm writing this in Thunderbird for > Windows - but I try it later. > So the conclusion is that there should be an Orca specific driver for > braille. > And in order to change flat review and focus tracking mode, there must > be a key to switch them explicitly, like we have it in Jaws. When I > remember right, in Window Eyes the braille display tracks the pointer or > the WE cursor, and not the caret. > Hermann From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Mon Dec 3 15:14:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C5D1750080 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 15:14:19 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.187] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gRqT239w2SDH for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 15:14:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05E627500FB for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 15:13:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.178.23] (p57A59F20.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.165.159.32]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKwpI-1IzCzQ1amU-0003P5; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:13:45 +0100 Message-ID: <47541D21.2030506@onlinehome.de> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:13:37 +0100 From: Hermann User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Whapples References: <1196417854.5102.20.camel@localhost> <1196419772.5802.9.camel@notebook> <1196421521.5102.72.camel@localhost> <1196509431.15035.9.camel@sparky> <1196690754.3431.32.camel@localhost> <475411BE.1070909@onlinehome.de> <1196694057.3431.38.camel@localhost> In-Reply-To: <1196694057.3431.38.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+gn14NpUXVmbQOGHQu7kZ+N46FEUO1Y7PJfNj lGhoFFrR4UcZH6UC4uuHGoRd/fgP2ggwcYLCD8F8zTiQ+mN2GY HxKoKExOCzSdh1pPF2ECA== Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] orca braille display keys X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 15:14:19 -0000 Of course you're right! Just forgot it, however I don't know how it acts under Orca. But this emphasizes my thoughts that there has to be a braille driver of its own for Orca, that additionally should be adjusted to the different types of devices; a whole lot of work! I guess it only can be done when the team finds more contributers. Hermann From halim.sahin@t-online.de Mon Dec 3 15:50:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 567E3750086 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 15:50:04 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.974 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.974 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 2963 hrs), (distance 21, link: ethernet/modem), [194.25.134.82] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G6Q57-KLJAkx for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 15:50:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mailout05.sul.t-online.com (mailout05.sul.t-online.de [194.25.134.82]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 179BD750188 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 15:49:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fwd35.aul.t-online.de by mailout05.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1IzDY2-0006UA-01; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:49:30 +0100 Received: from halim.local (SgYwLuZrQh-xa7zVG7eg7P-S4ZyfPQNHDFBMVoe2IMtVZZfQEWTBmq0tQlP-moMgu2@[84.174.126.254]) by fwd35.aul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1IzDX8-16zLkm0; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 16:48:34 +0100 Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 16:48:32 +0100 From: Halim Sahin To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20071203154832.GA27344@halim.local> References: <1196417854.5102.20.camel@localhost> <1196419772.5802.9.camel@notebook> <1196421521.5102.72.camel@localhost> <1196509431.15035.9.camel@sparky> <1196690754.3431.32.camel@localhost> <475411BE.1070909@onlinehome.de> <1196694057.3431.38.camel@localhost> <47541D21.2030506@onlinehome.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <47541D21.2030506@onlinehome.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-11) X-ID: SgYwLuZrQh-xa7zVG7eg7P-S4ZyfPQNHDFBMVoe2IMtVZZfQEWTBmq0tQlP-moMgu2 X-TOI-MSGID: 1459f2b1-f010-42d5-a88d-a24e711e8f1f Subject: Re: [orca-list] orca braille display keys X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 15:50:04 -0000 Hello, On Mo, Dez 03, 2007 at 04:13:37 +0100, Hermann wrote: > Of course you're right! Just forgot it, however I don't know how it acts > under Orca. > But this emphasizes my thoughts that there has to be a braille driver of > its own for Orca, that additionally should be adjusted to the different > types of devices; a whole lot of work! I guess it only can be done when > the team finds more contributers. Some months ago there was an announcement of brld in this list but we became no feedback of the community. Brld is able to deliver the state of all available braille keys on a braille display. To have a well working braille support in orca we need some braillekeymappings for each braille display. I think it is not the best way to have hardcoded braillekeys. So my sugestion is: have a look to brld and help this great project. BTW. I am working allways with suse-blinux/brld on the text console. The first released driver of brld for orca is usable. With regards Halim From weavermicha@googlemail.com Mon Dec 3 16:51:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DB1B75008C for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 16:51:54 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 2516 hrs), (distance 16, link: (Google 2)), [66.249.92.171] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WXzCHHvwS5-m for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 16:51:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 275A1750080 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 16:51:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id c2so2485350ugf for ; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 08:51:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.179.12 with SMTP id b12mr3553151huf.1196700677750; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 08:51:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.159.8 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 08:51:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <2b2234330712030851m1ec7f9a2p6938ab5df208b1d5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 16:51:17 +0000 From: "Michael Weaver" To: Orca-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [orca-list] orca and other sound X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:51:54 -0000 I have a PC with multi channel sound card. I can use Windoweyes in Windows while playing sound but I haven't been able to play music etc in Ubuntu while Orca is running is there a way around this problem or will I have to wait until the next release of Ubuntu? From j.orcauser@googlemail.com Mon Dec 3 17:17:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDEEC7500E8 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 17:17:32 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 7091 hrs), (distance 19, link: (Google 2)), [209.85.134.191] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gZb58gjb6ZWF for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 17:17:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.191]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4323F750080 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 17:17:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id w8so348365mue for ; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 09:16:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.82.171.16 with SMTP id t16mr5808186bue.1196702218041; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 09:16:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ( [138.38.227.33]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t2sm6132966gve.2007.12.03.09.16.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 03 Dec 2007 09:16:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 17:16:45 +0000 To: Michael Weaver Message-ID: <20071203171645.GA1652@hex> References: <2b2234330712030851m1ec7f9a2p6938ab5df208b1d5@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <2b2234330712030851m1ec7f9a2p6938ab5df208b1d5@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Fcc: =jorcauser From: Jon Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] orca and other sound X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: Jon List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 17:17:33 -0000 Hi, you have some alternatives which may be more or less work. If you are using feisty then: you could attempt to get speech-dispatcher to work, or you can use the aoss trick described at the Orca FAQ, search for the word "alsa" If you are running Ubuntu Gutsy, then installing speech-dispatcher is the most straightforward option, just sudo apt-get install speech-dispatcher and select it in the orca speech page. Hope this helps. -Jon On Mon 03/12/2007 at 16:51:17, Michael Weaver wrote: > I have a PC with multi channel sound card. > I can use Windoweyes in Windows while playing sound but I haven't been > able to play music etc in Ubuntu while Orca is running is there a way > around this problem or will I have to wait until the next release of > Ubuntu? From marco.zehe@googlemail.com Mon Dec 3 17:19:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06BE875008C for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 17:19:51 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 7092 hrs), (distance 19, link: (Google 2)), [209.85.134.184] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z0UHRF-0GS3e for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 17:19:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.184]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89828750080 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 17:19:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id w8so350845mue for ; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 09:19:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.82.149.8 with SMTP id w8mr11197794bud.1196702353463; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 09:19:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.7? ( [82.83.103.143]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y37sm923222iky.2007.12.03.09.19.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 03 Dec 2007 09:19:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47543A8D.4040904@googlemail.com> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 18:19:09 +0100 From: Marco Zehe User-Agent: Thunderbird 3.0a1pre (Windows/2007112704) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Orca List X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Avoid December 3 Trunk builds of Firefox X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 17:19:51 -0000 Hi all! A bug snug in on Sunday that breaks the complete accessibility hierarchy on all platforms. So please stay on the December 2 build if you're using Trunk, and don't let it update you to today's build. I will let you know when things have been sorted and it's safe to use Trunk builds again. Same goes for Thunderbird... Marco From mwhapples@aim.com Mon Dec 3 17:47:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7771F75008C for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 17:47:40 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 8 (1), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [205.188.157.38] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AbfShMBP0iHl for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 17:47:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CB817500E8 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 17:47:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mwhapples@aim.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 4.d61.17cc45da (57882); Mon, 3 Dec 2007 12:47:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.64] ([87.112.54.76]) by air-ia04.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILINIA44-e21a47544116248; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 12:47:03 -0500 From: Michael Whapples To: Michael Weaver In-Reply-To: <2b2234330712030851m1ec7f9a2p6938ab5df208b1d5@mail.gmail.com> References: <2b2234330712030851m1ec7f9a2p6938ab5df208b1d5@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 17:49:24 +0000 Message-Id: <1196704164.3431.54.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 87.112.54.76 Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] orca and other sound X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 17:47:40 -0000 Before I answer, a couple of questions. Is your sound card a proper multi-channel card (hardware mixing) or does it rely on software mixing? Just because you can have multiple sounds in windows doesn't mean it is multi-channel in hardware, windows can do software mixing. Which synthesiser are you using and through what system? eg. espeak through gnome-speech. If everyone who wants to use speech on your system will be using the same audio device for speech output, then I would suggest that you install speech-dispatcher and use your synth through that. When you install speech-dispatcher, you will need to install the python bindings as well, but I am unsure what the package name would be for you. The main speech-dispatcher configuration is done in a file (/etc/speech-dispatcher/speechd.conf), which is fairly well commented to explain what each option is. If you use espeak, I suggest that you use the espeak module, not the espeak-generic module in speech-dispatcher. While this improves the situation, some apps don't use ALSA (which speech-dispatcher uses, which allows software mixing), so for those you will need to change their output system if possible or use the aoss script if they have no way to support ALSA. There is a way to use aoss with gnome-speech, but I found that solution more complicated and less satisfactory to use, although should it be necessary that you use gnome-speech then there is a way (discussed in the past on this list). From Michael Whapples On Mon, 2007-12-03 at 16:51 +0000, Michael Weaver wrote: > I have a PC with multi channel sound card. > I can use Windoweyes in Windows while playing sound but I haven't been > able to play music etc in Ubuntu while Orca is running is there a way > around this problem or will I have to wait until the next release of > Ubuntu? > From janina@opera.rednote.net Mon Dec 3 19:43:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 522EE7501C1; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:43:05 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 2224 hrs), (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [74.53.93.34] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OcOMsfgsb9On; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:43:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from opera.rednote.net (opera.rednote.net [74.53.93.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59C2F75013D; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:42:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from opera.rednote.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by opera.rednote.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB3JcR20004203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:42:24 GMT Received: (from janina@localhost) by opera.rednote.net (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id lB3I9C5Z029018; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 13:09:12 -0500 Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 13:09:12 -0500 From: Janina Sajka To: blinux-list-bounces@redhat.com, Orca screen reader developers Message-ID: <20071203180912.GB22898@rednote.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.91.2/4984/Mon Dec 3 17:37:48 2007 on opera.rednote.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: g-a-devel , WAI XTech Subject: [orca-list] Important RE Firefox 3 at the Speakup Modified X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:43:05 -0000 This email contains important information regarding upgrading Firefox 3 for Fedora users. The Speakup Modified continues to make recent builds of Firefox 3 Beta available. However, a recent change in how these files are named has broken the automated upgrading procedure. There is a simple workaround which we explain below. You will need perform this procedure only once. But, you will need to perform this procedure in order to upgrade your Firefox 3 to the latest release from the Speakup Modified Fedora. If you do not have Firefox 3 installed, you can ignore this post. Here's how to upgrade: 1.) Become root on your system and issue the command: rpm -e --nodeps firefox* 2.) Now, still as root, issue the command: yum install firefox.i386 This will install our most current build of Firefox 3 Beta, based on the nightly release from November 27. Thereafter, future releases will be picked up in the customary fashion with yum. Please note that we no longer build Firefox 3 for Fedora 7. Users of F-7 can, however, use our F-8 Firefox rpms. -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.202.595.7777; sip:janina@a11y.org Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com Chair, Open Accessibility janina@a11y.org Linux Foundation http://a11y.org From William.Walker@Sun.COM Mon Dec 3 20:10:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F1897500DD for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 20:10:08 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 9, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.34] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FJK-49PRfIKT for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 20:10:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7526750195 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 20:09:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lB3K9VcK026330 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 20:09:31 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JSH00I01P7ZAW00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 13:09:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([66.189.39.50]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JSH00GFVPBS3D20@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 13:09:29 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 15:08:25 -0500 From: Willie Walker Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Orca List Message-id: <47546239.5090602@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_iY6iSShK6JNUdByvVUJXQg)" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071009) Subject: [orca-list] [Fwd: Announcing Orca v2.21.3] X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:10:08 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_iY6iSShK6JNUdByvVUJXQg) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT FYI... --Boundary_(ID_iY6iSShK6JNUdByvVUJXQg) Content-type: message/rfc822; name="Announcing Orca v2.21.3.eml" Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 15:08:02 -0500 From: Willie Walker Subject: Announcing Orca v2.21.3 To: gnome-announce-list@gnome.org Message-id: <47546222.8070802@sun.com> X-Envelope-from: William.Walker@Sun.COM X-Envelope-to: orca-list@gnome.org MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071009) =============== * What is Orca? =============== Orca is a free, open source, flexible, and extensible screen reader that provides access to the graphical desktop via user-customizable combinations of speech, braille, and/or magnification. Orca development has been led by the Sun Microsystems, Inc., Accessibility Program Office via continued engagement with its end users and generous contributions from wonderful community members. The Orca v2.21.3 release is targeted for the GNOME v2.21.3 development release and requires the latest at-spi/pyatspi from GNOME v2.21.3. You can also read more about Orca at http://live.gnome.org/Orca. ================================== * What's changed for Orca v2.21.3? ================================== We have aggressively been addressing bugs. We've done some work on performance as well, but we have a ways to go. Please look to Orca v2.21.4 for that work. NOTE: keybindings change below as a result of work on bug #500193. This effects gaim, gnome-mud, and learn mode users. 2.21.3 - 03-Dec-2007 General: * Lots and lots of pylint'ing (bug #486726) * Beginning of work on performance (bug #491576). We still have a bit of work to do. We actually have some changes, but we're not comfortable with them yet. * Fix for bug #407647 - Indicate the tree level, expanded state, and child nodes in the Pidgin buddy list * Fix for bug #472665 - Speech Pane combo boxes mis-populating in Orca Preferences dialog * Fix for bug #486899 - Where Am I doesn't present checkbox state in tables * Fix for bug #486901 - When tabbing to a text area for a spinbox or editable combobox, text selection should be presented * Fix for bug #486909 - Where Am I should say "n of m items selected" and "on item x of y" in layered pane * Fix for bug #486971 - Where Am I doesn't present toggle button state * Fix for bug #486976 - Basic Where Am I in multiline text areas should only present info for current line * Fix for bug #487189 - Where Am I should present accessible description if it exists * Fix for bug #500193 - Update keybindings for reviewing previous messages. The keybindings have been moved from the number keys to the F1-F9 keys. Bookmarks are still on the number keys. NOTE: this effects the Orca learn mode key. Instead of Orca+F1, it is now Orca+h. NOTE: this effects the review of previous messages in gaim and gnome-mud. Instead of Orca+{1,2,3,...} to read the last nth message, you now use Orca+{F1,F2,F3,...}. NOTE: this also effects the debugging tools. The new bindings are Orca+Ctrl+Alt+{the following}, where {the_following} is one of: End - reportScriptInfoHandler Home - printActiveAppHandler Page_Up - printAncestryHandler (think "look upward in hierarchy") Page_Down - printHierarchyHandler (think "look down from the top") Firefox: * Fix for bug #462883 - ARIA tooltips/alerts are not being output * Fix for bug #468551 - Support ARIA checkboxTriState * Fix for bug #469718 - Gecko.inDocumentContent() needs to account for 'embedded component' OpenOffice: * Fix for bug #435201 - Orca is too chatty when navigating by paragraph in OOo Writer New and updated translations (THANKS EVERYONE!!!): es Spanish Francisco Javier Dorado Martinez and Jorge Gonzalez gl Galician Ignacio Casal Quinteiro hu Hungarian Kálmán Kéménczy and Gabor Kelemen sl Slovenian Matej Urbančič ====================== * Where can I get it ? ====================== You can obtain Orca v2.21.3 in source code form at the following: http://download.gnome.org/sources/orca/2.21/orca-2.21.3.tar.gz http://download.gnome.org/sources/orca/2.21/orca-2.21.3.tar.bz2 Enjoy! The Orca Team --Boundary_(ID_iY6iSShK6JNUdByvVUJXQg)-- From churst35@verizon.net Mon Dec 3 23:58:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D728B750069 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 23:58:28 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 10 (1203?) (up: 748 hrs), (distance 14, link: ethernet/modem), [206.46.173.1] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XUI3L29equcg for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 23:58:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D774775008C for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 23:57:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from xplaptop ([71.242.234.18]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JSH00I4KZHFDBM0@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 17:48:52 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 18:57:33 -0800 From: "Hurst, Cody" To: Message-id: <007801c83621$6b63ea70$0c0110ac@xplaptop> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0075_01C835DE.5CA5A2F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Subject: [orca-list] terminal password key echo issue X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 23:58:29 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0075_01C835DE.5CA5A2F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi list, I realize as many of you have as well, when in the terminal and switch = to root, linux prompts you for your root password. When you type it, = nothing physically displays on the screen, but orca still announces the = keys as you type them, even if you have key echo turned on. Can this be = fixed with a special script in the terminal? Thank you. Cody Sincerely, Cody Hurst 215-292-8606 Computer repairs, builds and advice. ------=_NextPart_000_0075_01C835DE.5CA5A2F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi list,
 
  I realize as many of you have as = well, when=20 in the terminal and switch to root, linux prompts you for your root = password.=20 When you type it, nothing physically displays on the screen, but orca = still=20 announces the keys as you type them, even if you have key echo turned = on. Can=20 this be fixed with a special script in the terminal? Thank = you.
 
Cody
 
Sincerely,
 
Cody Hurst
 
215-292-8606
 
Computer repairs, builds and=20 advice.
------=_NextPart_000_0075_01C835DE.5CA5A2F0-- From mwhapples@aim.com Tue Dec 4 00:11:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44BDD750151 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 00:11:50 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 8 (1), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [64.12.137.11] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iC9faGnM7nME for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 00:11:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imo-m19.mx.aol.com (imo-m19.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.11]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2183750069 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 00:11:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mwhapples@aim.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id h.be0.263cf31c (57879) for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:11:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.64] ([87.112.54.76]) by air-ia04.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILINIA41-e21747549b171a3; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:11:11 -0500 From: Michael Whapples To: orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20071203154832.GA27344@halim.local> References: <1196417854.5102.20.camel@localhost> <1196419772.5802.9.camel@notebook> <1196421521.5102.72.camel@localhost> <1196509431.15035.9.camel@sparky> <1196690754.3431.32.camel@localhost> <475411BE.1070909@onlinehome.de> <1196694057.3431.38.camel@localhost> <47541D21.2030506@onlinehome.de> <20071203154832.GA27344@halim.local> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 00:13:20 +0000 Message-Id: <1196727200.3431.7.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 87.112.54.76 Subject: Re: [orca-list] orca braille display keys X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 00:11:50 -0000 I don't remember the announcement of brld, but it sounds interesting, where can I find more detail? I agree that hard coding a set of keys is not good, and that ideally if this could be done before orca then this is better as it could impact on other projects (an example of this was where I wanting to add braille support in a python program, but it was before the brltty official python bindings, and while orca could through its own I wasn't sure how much these may have been orca dependent, so was pushed to libbraille, which I feel isn't as good (particularly as it isn't being maintained anymore)). From Michael Whapples On Mon, 2007-12-03 at 16:48 +0100, Halim Sahin wrote: > Hello, > On Mo, Dez 03, 2007 at 04:13:37 +0100, Hermann wrote: > > Of course you're right! Just forgot it, however I don't know how it acts > > under Orca. > > But this emphasizes my thoughts that there has to be a braille driver of > > its own for Orca, that additionally should be adjusted to the different > > types of devices; a whole lot of work! I guess it only can be done when > > the team finds more contributers. > > Some months ago there was an announcement of brld in this list but > we became no feedback of the community. > > Brld is able to deliver the state of all available braille keys on a > braille display. > To have a well working braille support in orca we need some > braillekeymappings for each braille display. > > I think it is not the best way to have hardcoded braillekeys. > So my sugestion is: have a look to brld and help this great project. > > BTW. I am working allways with suse-blinux/brld on the text console. > The first released driver of brld for orca is usable. > With regards > > Halim > > > From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Tue Dec 4 08:35:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20E32750191 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:35:17 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.187] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jh37-fwaFzV5 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:35:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAD2E750149 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:34:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.178.24] (p57A58050.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.165.128.80]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKxQS-1IzTEo0s9w-0000pu; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 09:34:42 +0100 From: Hermann To: Michael Whapples In-Reply-To: <1196704164.3431.54.camel@localhost> References: <2b2234330712030851m1ec7f9a2p6938ab5df208b1d5@mail.gmail.com> <1196704164.3431.54.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 09:34:50 +0100 Message-Id: <1196757290.5825.5.camel@notebook> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/Fg4VNwi7qTyyLzKlLjzk5WKXfRf+sNCN9KYt G5u+2cJ/tFFzQ7/7EKO/LEjYrgiQTXK1jaT9CVkswq6JzBI+IP NnmDPsltlTrxZiENUnAkQ== Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] orca and other sound X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 08:35:17 -0000 Installing SD allone doesn't work with Orca. Do the following commands: apt-get update to make sure you have the latest packages. Then: apt-get install speech-dispatcher python-speechd The package is configured, so that SD should start when booting your system. To configure SD see Michael's comments and the apropriate chapter in the Orca Wiki (don't know the URL, but I expect every Orca user to have bookmarked it). Hermann From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Tue Dec 4 08:54:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52B05750149 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:54:36 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.171] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pWkRW8F58UuL for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:54:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6912875013E for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:54:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.178.24] (p57A58050.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.165.128.80]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML21M-1IzTXT0JY8-0002t9; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 09:53:59 +0100 From: Hermann To: Michael Whapples In-Reply-To: <1196727200.3431.7.camel@localhost> References: <1196417854.5102.20.camel@localhost> <1196419772.5802.9.camel@notebook> <1196421521.5102.72.camel@localhost> <1196509431.15035.9.camel@sparky> <1196690754.3431.32.camel@localhost> <475411BE.1070909@onlinehome.de> <1196694057.3431.38.camel@localhost> <47541D21.2030506@onlinehome.de> <20071203154832.GA27344@halim.local> <1196727200.3431.7.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 09:54:06 +0100 Message-Id: <1196758446.5825.11.camel@notebook> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/LDkISts7uG3b9PTbzVeQC85ZcZpI0F9DVMDr NmqrW/kO3jXiwakIqIJTM8PZgYFfVf9uAz7cnqZgtV9qS89L4A fSEMi9y4sxsrGScqDLqgQ== Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] orca braille display keys X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 08:54:36 -0000 I think it was posted last May or June, eihter by Marco Skambraks or Halim Sahin. Everybody who's interested can search the list archive by sorting it by author. You find the sources on: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/blinux/ There you find two directories - mbrola and src; the latter contains the sources. I hope I'm right, writing this out of my mind. Hermann From SRS0=AOnW=Q3=suse.de=marco@srs.kundenserver.de Tue Dec 4 10:27:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFEEB750344 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 10:27:37 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.464 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.183] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6WP7TaYVSfbP for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 10:27:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABECA7500ED for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 10:27:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from skammel.billardsport-online.de (p54AE209A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.174.32.154]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu8) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML31I-1IzUzS2EhB-0001vT; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 11:27:00 +0100 Received: by skammel.billardsport-online.de (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5AB3C17D26F; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:26:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by skammel.billardsport-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 428CC17D258; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:26:40 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:26:40 +0100 (CET) From: Marco Skambraks X-X-Sender: marco@skammel To: Hermann In-Reply-To: <1196758446.5825.11.camel@notebook> Message-ID: References: <1196417854.5102.20.camel@localhost> <1196419772.5802.9.camel@notebook> <1196421521.5102.72.camel@localhost> <1196509431.15035.9.camel@sparky> <1196690754.3431.32.camel@localhost> <475411BE.1070909@onlinehome.de> <1196694057.3431.38.camel@localhost> <47541D21.2030506@onlinehome.de> <20071203154832.GA27344@halim.local> <1196727200.3431.7.camel@localhost> <1196758446.5825.11.camel@notebook> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19F84Qfy7/+cfBYGzWqG6WUX+x0tnSe60wWPup czJH4ELYo9H1yVgYVOwRGTRvxFKxUvxpa2FbRTHeBCTDrDBkTm PPfNiqAerRlom/pEdnSZg== Cc: Michael Whapples , orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] orca braille display keys X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 10:27:38 -0000 hi, here is the direct link to the current source rpm http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/marco/openSUSE_10.3/src/sbl-3.0g-1.1.src.rpm in my home directory of the opensuse buildservice - you will find some additional packages http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/marco/ if you need an example to use brld in your own application - please look into the sources sblsrc-3.0g/brld/example in the next days I'll release the version 3.0h with some improvements of the process-detection OK - have fun marco On Tue, 4 Dec 2007, Hermann wrote: > I think it was posted last May or June, eihter by Marco Skambraks or > Halim Sahin. > Everybody who's interested can search the list archive by sorting it by > author. > You find the sources on: > ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/blinux/ > There you find two directories - mbrola and src; the latter contains the > sources. > I hope I'm right, writing this out of my mind. > Hermann > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > ------------------------------------------------------------ Marco Skambraks SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nuernberg T: +49 (0) 911 74053-0 Fax: +49 (0) 911 74053-483 marco.skambraks@suse.com ------------------------------------------------------------ ** life is hard and then you die ** From marco.zehe@googlemail.com Tue Dec 4 15:10:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9397750111 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:10:26 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.11 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.11 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 2739 hrs), (distance 16, link: (Google 2)), [66.249.92.170] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cdNn+hWBnc16 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:10:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.170]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 543BA7500A9 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:09:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id c2so119753ugf for ; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 07:09:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.27.3 with SMTP id e3mr860117ugj.1196780993311; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 07:09:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.7? ( [82.83.72.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o24sm119751ugd.2007.12.04.07.09.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 04 Dec 2007 07:09:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47556DBD.7070107@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:09:49 +0100 From: Marco Zehe User-Agent: Thunderbird 3.0a1pre (Windows/2007112704) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Orca List X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] December 4 builds of Firefox are safe to use again X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:10:26 -0000 Hi all, the December 4 trunk build of Firefox is safe to use again. The bug was fixed swiftly. Thanks to Aaron and David B for taking carre of it so quickly! Have fun! Marco From christian08@runbox.com Tue Dec 4 17:00:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB298750191 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 17:00:32 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.228 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.228 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.178, BAYES_40=-0.185, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) (up: 2616 hrs), (distance 21, link: ethernet/modem), [193.71.199.94] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fAKkiWZNNcrZ for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 17:00:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from aibo.runbox.com (aibo.runbox.com [193.71.199.94]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E6AB750462 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 16:59:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [10.9.9.160] (helo=penny.runbox.com) by greyhound.runbox.com with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Izb7h-0008Lv-NE for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:59:53 +0100 Received: from [81.216.142.231] (helo=127.0.0.1) by penny.runbox.com with esmtpsa (uid:521761 ) (SSL 3.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.50) id 1Izb7h-0002SN-Cg for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:59:53 +0100 Message-ID: <200712041759520703.00074CC6@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:59:52 +0100 From: "Christian" To: orca-list@gnome.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [orca-list] Realplayer and Firefox X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:00:33 -0000 Hi all, For those who are interested, I managed to install Realplayer and its= working fine with Firefox. The setup screen is accessible. So now I can= listen to my favourite radio stations in Linux as well! All the best, Christian From guyster@bex.net Tue Dec 4 18:22:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA5D67501F1 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 18:22:21 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (up: 2640 hrs), (distance 10, link: ethernet/modem), [216.200.145.38] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 928AovgWttG4 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 18:22:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omta13.mta.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E92507501F4 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 18:21:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pop15.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta13.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7713E407E3; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 10:21:46 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: pop15 Received: by pop15.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 48f1f185) id pop15.474f85b5.2b0fc2; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 10:21:45 -0800 X-Eon-Sig: AQK8R/pHVZq50yv1EQIAAAAC,7c133cb09ed5f179eeaa1e7adcd939db X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 13:21:32 -0500 To: "Christian" , orca-list@gnome.org From: Guy Schlosser In-Reply-To: <200712041759520703.00074CC6@127.0.0.1> References: <200712041759520703.00074CC6@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20071204102146.8EA3C676@pop15.mta.everyone.net> Subject: Re: [orca-list] Realplayer and Firefox X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 18:22:21 -0000 Hey there Christian, I wouldn't mind hearing, how did you get real player set up? Did you have to install alien or something? The only real player packages I can find on the net are .rpm. If you can give me a little clue how you got that working, that would be awesome. Thanks, Guy At 11:59 AM 12/4/2007, Christian wrote: >Hi all, >For those who are interested, I managed to install Realplayer and >its working fine with Firefox. The setup screen is accessible. So >now I can listen to my favourite radio stations in Linux as well! >All the best, >Christian > >_______________________________________________ >Orca-list mailing list >Orca-list@gnome.org >http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From christian08@runbox.com Tue Dec 4 21:48:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8666475011A for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 21:48:32 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.797 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.797 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.610, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, SUBJ_RE_NUM=1.2, TW_GT=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) (up: 2664 hrs), (distance 21, link: ethernet/modem), [193.71.199.94] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id my1wNk4e1YOz for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 21:48:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from aibo.runbox.com (aibo.runbox.com [193.71.199.94]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 244ED750144 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 21:47:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [10.9.9.162] (helo=pepper.runbox.com) by greyhound.runbox.com with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IzfcM-0007Ce-Cp; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 22:47:50 +0100 Received: from [81.216.142.231] (helo=127.0.0.1) by pepper.runbox.com with esmtpsa (uid:521761 ) (SSL 3.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.50) id 1IzfcM-0001id-6R; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 22:47:50 +0100 Message-ID: <200712042247490656.002C2247@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <20071204102146.8EA3C676@pop15.mta.everyone.net> References: <200712041759520703.00074CC6@127.0.0.1> <20071204102146.8EA3C676@pop15.mta.everyone.net> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 22:47:49 +0100 From: "Christian" To: guyster@bex.net, orca-list@gnome.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [orca-list] Realplayer and Firefox X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 21:48:32 -0000 Hi Guy and all, Here is what I did. First I went to: http://www.real.com/linux When I tried clicking on the Red hat package link or the other download= link i only got a blank webpage. However, I then tried the nightly builds link and it worked. Here is the direct link: http://forms.helixcommunity.org/helix/builds/?category=3Drealplay-current I picked the first package, the linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586@rhel4 Here is the direct link to that as well: http://forms.helixcommunity.org/helix/builds/index.html?filename=3D20071204/= player_all-realplay_gtk_current-20071204-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586@rhel4/re= alplay-10.1.0.3779-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin You then have to accept the license agreement on that webpage and start the= download. Don't forget to make that .bin-file executable chmod 755 and-the-name-of-the-file.bin I installed it as root from a terminal by simply running the file like: ./file.bin I could then login to Gnome and click on realplayer and set it up with= Orca. One thing to note. I had to change in the preferences of hte player the audio output to alsa= it was placed on the oss output. In the combo box where you select the output you have to press ctrl-tab to= get out of it. You'll find that under the hardware tab. Please let me know if it worked or if you need any further info! All the best, Christian On 2007-12-04 at 13:21 Guy Schlosser wrote: >Hey there Christian, I wouldn't mind hearing, how did you get real >player set up? Did you have to install alien or something? The only >real player packages I can find on the net are .rpm. If you can give >me a little clue how you got that working, that would be awesome. > >Thanks, > > >Guy > > >At 11:59 AM 12/4/2007, Christian wrote: >>Hi all, >>For those who are interested, I managed to install Realplayer and >>its working fine with Firefox. The setup screen is accessible. So >>now I can listen to my favourite radio stations in Linux as well! >>All the best, >>Christian >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Orca-list mailing list >>Orca-list@gnome.org >>http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From weavermicha@googlemail.com Wed Dec 5 07:57:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDCF2750177 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 07:57:26 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 9405 hrs), (distance 16, link: (Google 2)), [64.233.182.184] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2Q31sLWazXYu for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 07:57:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.184]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70B2B75012A for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 07:56:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f5so2625444nfh for ; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 23:56:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.150.7 with SMTP id x7mr73689hud.1196841413125; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 23:56:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.159.8 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 23:56:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <2b2234330712042356l558ea9c2q76642bd49ec4351a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 07:56:53 +0000 From: "Michael Weaver" To: Orca-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [orca-list] orca and speech-dispatcher X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 07:57:27 -0000 I tried installing speech-dispatcher a couple of times and found I had to re-install Gutsy because Orca and Espeak stopped working altogether. I made sure my system was up to date, typed sudo apt-get install speech-dispatcher on one occassion and typed sudo apt-get install python-speechd and it seemed to get everything I wanted even when I only got the python-speechd but I kept getting error messages on both times with something about trigger differred or something like that at the end when my system tried to start speech-dispatcher which I think is the reason why Orca stopped altogether when I did a reboot. How do I resolve this problem? Would i have to update atspi and orca from the versions I have in Gutsy? At the moment I have the current versions which come with Ubuntu by default. Also I am thinking of updating Orca to a more current version but not use the Bleeding Edge. Can I just download the source file which I have already obtained, extract it and build it with make install or is it not as straight forward as that? From christian08@runbox.com Wed Dec 5 08:15:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9984B750102 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 08:15:10 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.09 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.09 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[ADDR_NUMS_AT_BIGSITE=1.414, AWL=-1.317, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, SUBJ_RE_NUM=1.2, TW_GT=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) (up: 2769 hrs), (distance 21, link: ethernet/modem), [193.71.199.94] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WvCxLYciwAvr for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 08:15:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from aibo.runbox.com (aibo.runbox.com [193.71.199.94]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E8A77500DF for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 08:14:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [10.9.9.161] (helo=patch.runbox.com) by greyhound.runbox.com with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IzpOo-0008Cr-Lr; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 09:14:30 +0100 Received: from [81.216.142.231] (helo=127.0.0.1) by patch.runbox.com with esmtpsa (uid:521761 ) (SSL 3.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.50) id 1IzpOo-0005VP-FO; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 09:14:30 +0100 Message-ID: <200712050914290375.0010D8CE@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <702916.66965.qm@web58911.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <702916.66965.qm@web58911.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 09:14:29 +0100 From: "Christian" To: cy41169@yahoo.com, orca-list@gnome.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [orca-list] Realplayer and Firefox X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 08:15:10 -0000 Hi Charlie, it is already a .bin-file with the .bin extension. You are running orca? When I am refering to a terminal I meant the gnome-terminal wich you can= open from within Gnome by pressing alt-f2. This will open the run dialog= where you just type gnome-terminal followed by enter. This will open a console where you can execute commands. To exit out of= gnome-terminal and return back to the desktop just type exit followed by enter. Have you used the text console at all or just Orca? All the best, Christian On 2007-12-04 at 19:40 Charlie Dorff wrote: >Hi... >I just read the message from Christian and didn't understand it very well. >I tried downloading the nightly build but I didn't know how to to change >it to .bin-file executable chmod 755. I also didn't understand what was >said about this terminal thing. Any help would be greatly appeciated. >Thanks. >Charlie > >Christian wrote: Hi Guy and all, >Here is what I did. >First I went to: >http://www.real.com/linux >When I tried clicking on the Red hat package link or the other download >link i only got a blank webpage. >However, I then tried the nightly builds link and it worked. >Here is the direct link: >http://forms.helixcommunity.org/helix/builds/?category=3Drealplay-current >I picked the first package, the linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586@rhel4 >Here is the direct link to that as well: >http://forms.helixcommunity.org/helix/builds/index.html?filename=3D20071204= /player_all-realplay_gtk_current-20071204-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586@rhel4/r= ealplay-10.1.0.3779-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin >You then have to accept the license agreement on that webpage and start >the download. >Don't forget to make that .bin-file executable >chmod 755 and-the-name-of-the-file.bin >I installed it as root from a terminal by simply running the file like: >./file.bin >I could then login to Gnome and click on realplayer and set it up with >Orca. >One thing to note. >I had to change in the preferences of hte player the audio output to alsa >it was placed on the oss output. >In the combo box where you select the output you have to press ctrl-tab to >get out of it. You'll find that under the hardware tab. >Please let me know if it worked or if you need any further info! >All the best, >Christian > > >On 2007-12-04 at 13:21 Guy Schlosser wrote: > >>Hey there Christian, I wouldn't mind hearing, how did you get real >>player set up? Did you have to install alien or something? The only >>real player packages I can find on the net are .rpm. If you can give >>me a little clue how you got that working, that would be awesome. >> >>Thanks, >> >> >>Guy >> >> >>At 11:59 AM 12/4/2007, Christian wrote: >>>Hi all, >>>For those who are interested, I managed to install Realplayer and >>>its working fine with Firefox. The setup screen is accessible. So >>>now I can listen to my favourite radio stations in Linux as well! >>>All the best, >>>Christian >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Orca-list mailing list >>>Orca-list@gnome.org >>>http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > > > >_______________________________________________ >Orca-list mailing list >Orca-list@gnome.org >http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > > > >--------------------------------- >Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try >it now. From jbsn@tpg.com.au Wed Dec 5 08:39:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15D3A7500B0 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 08:39:44 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.175 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.175 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [S4:218:1:60:M1460, S, T, N, W7:.:?:?] (up: 6570 hrs), (link: ethernet/modem), [203.12.160.161] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B6-6d4+vcPwV for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 08:39:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail11.tpgi.com.au (mail11.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.161]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91C7C75008B for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 08:39:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from Arnold.local (60-240-255-203.static.tpgi.com.au [60.240.255.203]) by mail11.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from jbsn@tpg.com.au) (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id lB58d11L017499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 5 Dec 2007 19:39:03 +1100 Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 18:45:01 +1000 (EST) From: Jan and Bertil Smark Nilsson X-X-Sender: bertil@Arnold.Linux To: Guy Schlosser In-Reply-To: <20071204102146.8EA3C676@pop15.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: References: <200712041759520703.00074CC6@127.0.0.1> <20071204102146.8EA3C676@pop15.mta.everyone.net> User-Agent: Alpine 0.99999 (DEB 796 2007-11-08) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.91.2/4990/Tue Dec 4 11:38:56 2007 on mail11.tpgi.com.au X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Realplayer and Firefox X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 08:39:44 -0000 Greetings, On Tue, 4 Dec 2007, Guy Schlosser wrote: > Hey there Christian, I wouldn't mind hearing, how did you get real > player set up? Did you have to install alien or something? The only > real player packages I can find on the net are .rpm. If you can give > me a little clue how you got that working, that would be awesome. > > Thanks, > > > Guy > If you're running Debian, and if you've added deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org to your sources.list, you'll find a .deb package when you do sudo apt-get install realplayer Bertil From cerha@brailcom.org Wed Dec 5 08:51:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19B907500DF for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 08:51:15 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.558 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.558 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.041, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 8214 hrs), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [81.25.16.212] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pfjud5Jtj5Y4 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 08:51:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx4.tartarnet.cz (mx4.tartarnet.cz [81.25.16.212]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22A3D7500B0 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 08:50:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tartarnet.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 468A4607165F; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 09:50:35 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at Received: from mx4.tartarnet.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx4.tartarnet.cz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id acK2Mx1zWTCq; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 09:50:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.0.0.2] (unknown [10.22.13.12]) by mx4.tartarnet.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 296FD607165E; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 09:50:29 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4756665D.8020509@brailcom.org> Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 09:50:37 +0100 From: Tomas Cerha Organization: Brailcom, o.p.s. User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071008) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Weaver References: <2b2234330712042356l558ea9c2q76642bd49ec4351a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <2b2234330712042356l558ea9c2q76642bd49ec4351a@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] orca and speech-dispatcher X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 08:51:15 -0000 Michael Weaver napsal(a): > I tried installing speech-dispatcher a couple of times and found I had > to re-install Gutsy because Orca and Espeak stopped working > altogether. Hello Michael, Instead of reinstalling the whole system, you can always uninstall the python-speechd package. This will make Speech Dispatcher invisible to Orca, so if you have any further problems, they are not caused by Speech Dispatcher. Now let's try to find the source of your problems. Do you have Festival installed? Is it visible as a speech synthesiser with Gnome Speech in Orca preferences? Did you check the Troubleshooting section at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/SpeechDispatcher ? You definitely don't need to upgrade Orca or atspi to solve Speech Dispatcher problems. You need Orca 2.19.90 or later, which, I believe, is the case for Gutsy. Best regards Tomas From christian08@runbox.com Wed Dec 5 11:29:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE969750262 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 11:29:44 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.435 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.435 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.029, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) (up: 2801 hrs), (distance 21, link: ethernet/modem), [193.71.199.94] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7b0dP0e5YHqU for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 11:29:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from aibo.runbox.com (aibo.runbox.com [193.71.199.94]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C081750352 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 11:29:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [10.9.9.160] (helo=penny.runbox.com) by greyhound.runbox.com with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IzsR8-0002cl-Vg for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:29:06 +0100 Received: from [81.216.142.231] (helo=127.0.0.1) by penny.runbox.com with esmtpsa (uid:521761 ) (SSL 3.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.50) id 1IzsR8-0007ob-C4 for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:29:06 +0100 Message-ID: <200712051229050031.002EF27E@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:29:05 +0100 From: "Christian" To: orca-list@gnome.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [orca-list] Updating Gnome X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:29:45 -0000 Hi, If i want to update to the latest version of Gnome, and all its components,= what packages will I need? Many thanks, Christian From weavermicha@googlemail.com Wed Dec 5 11:41:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B29C27500A7 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 11:41:00 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 9442 hrs), (distance 16, link: (Google 2)), [64.233.182.184] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MOXT4WGOZt+I for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 11:40:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.184]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4962D75008B for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 11:40:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f5so2661082nfh for ; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 03:40:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.168.1 with SMTP id q1mr354851hue.1196854823223; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 03:40:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.159.8 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 03:40:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <2b2234330712050340s1f66cc83ic0687485ed824a1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 11:40:23 +0000 From: "Michael Weaver" To: Orca-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [orca-list] errors with speech-dispatcher X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:41:00 -0000 The synthesiser I am using is Espeak with the Gnome speech driver. I checked the speech settings in Orca. I have tried to copy down the error message I get. It is after things have been extracted when I get the Ubuntu packages for Python-speechd and speech-dispatcher. Starting speech-dispatcher Speech-dispatcher Envoke-rc.d: initscript speech-dispatcher action "Start" failed setting up python-speechd (064~beta1+cvs20070807-0ubuntu5) processing triggers for lib6 ldcconfig differred processing now taking place From cerha@brailcom.org Wed Dec 5 12:59:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41CB275037B for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 12:59:34 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.558 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.558 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.041, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 8225 hrs), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [81.25.16.212] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NAXlVwdHYMDQ for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 12:59:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx4.tartarnet.cz (mx4.tartarnet.cz [81.25.16.212]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1E26750331 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 12:59:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tartarnet.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0D706071647; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:58:56 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at Received: from mx4.tartarnet.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx4.tartarnet.cz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3t07JK1qKi3r; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:58:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.0.0.2] (unknown [10.22.13.12]) by mx4.tartarnet.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE0486071651; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:58:50 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4756A094.5020805@brailcom.org> Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 13:59:00 +0100 From: Tomas Cerha Organization: Brailcom, o.p.s. User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071008) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Weaver References: <2b2234330712050340s1f66cc83ic0687485ed824a1@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <2b2234330712050340s1f66cc83ic0687485ed824a1@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] errors with speech-dispatcher X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:59:34 -0000 Michael Weaver napsal(a): > The synthesiser I am using is Espeak with the Gnome speech driver. Ok, but it would still help to know whether Festival is active in your Gnome Speech (even if it is not selected). > I have tried to copy down the error message I get. It is after things > have been extracted when I get the Ubuntu packages for Python-speechd > and speech-dispatcher. > Starting speech-dispatcher > Speech-dispatcher > Envoke-rc.d: initscript speech-dispatcher > action "Start" > failed setting up python-speechd (064~beta1+cvs20070807-0ubuntu5) > processing triggers for lib6 ldcconfig differred processing now taking place Hmm, strange, seems as a package problem to me. Would Luke have anything to say to this? Best regards, Tomas. From guyster@bex.net Wed Dec 5 13:05:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 114B07500A7 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:05:53 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (up: 2659 hrs), (distance 10, link: ethernet/modem), [216.200.145.38] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qsmou3ntd2Jw for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:05:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omta13.mta.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9918375008B for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:05:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pop15.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta13.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D7BC414B0 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 05:05:19 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: pop15 Received: by pop15.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 48f1f185) id pop15.4755fbe9.56f70 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 05:05:18 -0800 X-Eon-Sig: AQK8R/pHVqIOO/uzUQIAAAAB,d1c69c77778b1334024753bf6a0c7254 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 08:05:07 -0500 To: orca-list@gnome.org From: Guy Schlosser Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20071205050519.A7DFE0A3@pop15.mta.everyone.net> Subject: [orca-list] openoffice word processor and Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 13:05:53 -0000 Hi all, I have a brief question regarding orca and the Openoffice.org wordprocessor. Is there a way to have orca automaticly announce your cursor position when you press the tab key (e.g. 1.5 inches, 2.0 inches, etc.)? If not, I would love to see this available in an upcoming release of orca. My girlfriend is a medical transcriptionist, and I think she could seriously benefit from switching to Linux VS Windows. Each new version of JAWS really seems to do nasty things to her computer. If anyone here could let me know how to hear where I am when I press tab, that would be awesome. Again, thanks in advance for any help. Later, Guy From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Wed Dec 5 13:06:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02142750238 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:06:16 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.171] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K5mdKmCBN99W for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:06:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A9B07501B8 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:05:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from grml (p57A58DA3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.165.141.163]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKxQS-1IztwT1KEy-0001nK; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 14:05:34 +0100 Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 14:05:31 +0100 From: Hermann To: Tomas Cerha Message-ID: <20071205130531.GA4896@grml> References: <2b2234330712050340s1f66cc83ic0687485ed824a1@mail.gmail.com> <4756A094.5020805@brailcom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4756A094.5020805@brailcom.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+RowkgdKplDiZ9QHB89IRWKL+xVkKNaTdDERV 5PKf8NVeQih/H4r8rfZC2MfoiibPRBHxIgcKnulJrmFFICjUJE 4xG1Fvm4ItMFsFu+6WOpA== Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] errors with speech-dispatcher X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 13:06:16 -0000 Gutsy doesn't install Fetival, Espeak is the only synth that's been used. Maybe Michael has installed it later. Hermann -- I use grml (http://grml.org/) From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Wed Dec 5 13:22:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA46A750359 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:22:03 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.171] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uUDuJZ7-ABOU for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:21:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93A897504F3 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:21:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from grml (p57A58DA3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.165.141.163]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML21M-1IzuBr1hPl-0001oP; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 14:21:27 +0100 Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 14:21:29 +0100 From: Hermann To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20071205132129.GA4947@grml> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18FtabxXDG2596d90cc6fqXkfvaj3KlqsYGjIH nf6QN5IyHpSbLyvZc3FGCvoR1OESHdKHynwssCsVQdEBEWRvBA hSYhrPVf6siSjad74VOKg== Subject: [orca-list] SD crash problem maybe is solved X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 13:22:04 -0000 Hi, perhaps I succeeded in solving the SD crash: Everyday the process Updatedb is invoked by Anacron; this makes my harddrive start spinning. In the same moment SD crashes, because it gets restarted, don't ask me why. I figured this out, because there was a mail by Anacron to the root mailbox saying that /var/run/speech-dispatcher couldn't be created, because it exists. Remember: Due to the fact that I've installed SD 0.6.4 from the Debian pool, the startup script couldn't create that folder so that I've to put in two lines crating the dirctory and chown it to speech-dispatcher:audio. This workaround pointed me to the right dirction. So I deactivated "Update user folders" under System/preferences/session. Since this process starts only once a day, I've to wait until tomorrow, but I hope I've solved the problem. Hermann -- I use grml (http://grml.org/) From cerha@brailcom.org Wed Dec 5 15:04:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECBC3750443 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:04:32 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.559 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.559 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.040, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 8230 hrs), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [81.25.16.212] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OG4O3Cbah9SG for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:04:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx4.tartarnet.cz (mx4.tartarnet.cz [81.25.16.212]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 018567503AC for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:04:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tartarnet.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B5FE6071660; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:03:54 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at Received: from mx4.tartarnet.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx4.tartarnet.cz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p3sR21P+c-5o; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:03:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.0.0.2] (unknown [10.22.13.12]) by mx4.tartarnet.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E9696070EF5; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:03:47 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4756BDDE.8040704@brailcom.org> Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:03:58 +0100 From: Tomas Cerha Organization: Brailcom, o.p.s. User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071008) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hermann References: <20071205132129.GA4947@grml> In-Reply-To: <20071205132129.GA4947@grml> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060702050507010107070001" Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] SD crash problem maybe is solved X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:04:33 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060702050507010107070001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Herman, congratulations to your achievement. Now I'm only curious why is SD restarted when updatedb starts. Does anyone have any idea? BTW, you can test the presence of the directory in the sptartup script. You can find my startup script, which I created a few maonts ago for invoking the SD compiled from source in Ubuntu 7.04. As far as I remember, the needed changes were creating the directory and some PID file settings (which may not be needed for running the Debain version of SD). Best regards, Tomas Hermann napsal(a): > perhaps I succeeded in solving the SD crash: > Everyday the process Updatedb is invoked by Anacron; this makes my > harddrive start spinning. In the same moment SD crashes, because it gets > restarted, don't ask me why. > I figured this out, because there was a mail by Anacron to the root > mailbox saying that /var/run/speech-dispatcher couldn't be created, > because it exists. > Remember: Due to the fact that I've installed SD 0.6.4 from the Debian > pool, the startup script couldn't create that folder so that I've to put in > two lines crating the dirctory and chown it to speech-dispatcher:audio. > This workaround pointed me to the right dirction. > So I deactivated "Update user folders" under System/preferences/session. > Since this process starts only once a day, I've to wait until tomorrow, > but I hope I've solved the problem. > Hermann --------------060702050507010107070001 Content-Type: text/plain; name="speech-dispatcher" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="speech-dispatcher" #! /bin/sh # # skeleton example file to build /etc/init.d/ scripts. # This file should be used to construct scripts for /etc/init.d. # # Written by Miquel van Smoorenburg . # Modified for Debian GNU/Linux # by Ian Murdock . # # Version: @(#)skeleton 1.8 03-Mar-1998 miquels@cistron.nl # # This file was automatically customized by dh-make on Wed, 16 Apr 2003 14:56:29 +0200 PATH=/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin PIDFILE=/var/run/speech-dispatcher/speech-dispatcher.pid DAEMON=/usr/local/bin/speech-dispatcher NAME=speech-dispatcher DESC="Speech Dispatcher" USER=speech-dispatcher test -f $DAEMON || exit 0 if ! test -d /var/run/speech-dispatcher ; then mkdir -p /var/run/speech-dispatcher chown speech-dispatcher.audio /var/run/speech-dispatcher fi set -e case "$1" in start) echo -n "Starting $DESC: " start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --chuid $USER --pidfile $PIDFILE \ --exec $DAEMON -- -P $PIDFILE echo "$NAME." ;; stop) echo -n "Stopping $DESC: " start-stop-daemon --oknodo --stop --quiet --user $USER \ --pidfile $PIDFILE --exec $DAEMON echo "$NAME." ;; reload|force-reload) # # If the daemon can reload its config files on the fly # for example by sending it SIGHUP, do it here. # # If the daemon responds to changes in its config file # directly anyway, make this a do-nothing entry. # echo "Reloading $DESC configuration files." start-stop-daemon --oknodo --stop --signal 1 --quiet --user $USER \ --pidfile $PIDFILE --exec $DAEMON ;; restart) # # If the "reload" option is implemented, move the "force-reload" # option to the "reload" entry above. If not, "force-reload" is # just the same as "restart". # echo -n "Restarting $DESC: " start-stop-daemon --oknodo --stop --quiet --user $USER \ --pidfile $PIDFILE --exec $DAEMON sleep 3 start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --chuid $USER --pidfile $PIDFILE \ --exec $DAEMON -- -P $PIDFILE echo "$NAME." ;; *) N=/etc/init.d/$NAME echo "Usage: $N {start|stop|restart|reload|force-reload}" >&2 exit 1 ;; esac exit 0 --------------060702050507010107070001-- From john@johnheim.net Wed Dec 5 04:07:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 903A77502E9 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 04:07:25 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.213 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.213 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, TW_GD=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (up: 2122 hrs), (distance 17, link: ethernet/modem), [216.170.230.94] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I+vgCl2x1zFC for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 04:07:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from outbound4.mail.tds.net (outbound4.mail.tds.net [216.170.230.94]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 361F4750411 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 04:06:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from outaamta02.mail.tds.net (outaamta02.mail.tds.net [216.170.230.32]) by outbound4.mail.tds.net (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lB546jSD030966 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 22:06:45 -0600 Received: from lambeau.johnheim.com ([66.222.31.17]) by outaamta02.mail.tds.net with ESMTP id <20071205040644.XEPU5687.outaamta02.mail.tds.net@lambeau.johnheim.com> for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 22:06:44 -0600 Received: from lambeau.johnheim.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lambeau.johnheim.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F92217DCE for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 22:06:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from hornung (hornung.johnheim.com [192.168.1.5]) by lambeau.johnheim.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E723E17DCD for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 22:06:41 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000701c836f4$3dcdb270$0501a8c0@hornung> From: "John Heim" To: Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 22:06:41 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:08:13 +0000 Subject: [orca-list] Accessible Login X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 04:07:25 -0000 I'm trying to configure gdm on a debian/lenny so that I can start orca at the login prompt. I am working from the instructions here: http://www.gnome.org/projects/gdm/docs/2.18/accessibility.html I added 2 lines to the [daemon] section of /etc/gdm/gdm.conf: AddGtkModules=true GtkModulesList=gail:atk-bridge:dwellmouselistener:keymouselistener The instructions say to uncomment thoselines from your gdm.conf but there weren't in there to uncomment. Anyway, then it says to modify /etc/gdm/modules/AccessKeyMouseEvents. But it appears that it's already configured to start orca by pressing s. Or you can start orca with magnification via pressing m. But it doesn't work. Anybody have any idea why? From William.Walker@Sun.COM Wed Dec 5 15:36:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4A887501DC for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:36:29 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 9, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.36] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EeflrssYWcwW for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:36:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B4157501FD for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:35:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lB5FZrlT004375 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:35:53 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JSL00M010DR8T00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 08:35:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([66.189.39.50]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JSL00KES1ZOJ8E0@mail-amer.sun.com>; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 08:35:49 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 10:34:44 -0500 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <20071205050519.A7DFE0A3@pop15.mta.everyone.net> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Guy Schlosser Message-id: <4756C514.1070004@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <20071205050519.A7DFE0A3@pop15.mta.everyone.net> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071009) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] openoffice word processor and Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:36:29 -0000 Hi Guy: Orca currently doesn't automatically speak this information when you press tab, but there are a couple other options you can use: 1) Insert+f (Caps_Lock+f for laptops) will speak attribute information, including the indent for the current line. You can select which information is presented via the "Text Attributes" tab of the Orca preferences/configuration dialog. 2) If you select "Speak indentation and justification" on the speech tab of the Orca preferences/configuration dialog, Orca will speak the number of tabs and spaces at the beginning of a line when you move to a new line. I'm curious about the automatic speaking of cursor position when you press the tab key, though. What do other users think? Will Guy Schlosser wrote: > Hi all, I have a brief question regarding orca and the Openoffice.org > wordprocessor. Is there a way to have orca automaticly announce your > cursor position when you press the tab key (e.g. 1.5 inches, 2.0 > inches, etc.)? If not, I would love to see this available in an > upcoming release of orca. My girlfriend is a medical > transcriptionist, and I think she could seriously benefit from > switching to Linux VS Windows. Each new version of JAWS really seems > to do nasty things to her computer. If anyone here could let me know > how to hear where I am when I press tab, that would be > awesome. Again, thanks in advance for any help. > > Later, > > > Guy > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From William.Walker@Sun.COM Wed Dec 5 15:39:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6758A75041A for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:39:26 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 9, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.31] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hfhB+YuJUjHR for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:39:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com (brmea-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67AF97503A8 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:38:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lB5FcpCj008309 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:38:51 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JSL007010ZMVN00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 08:38:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([66.189.39.50]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JSL00H2X24PK240@mail-amer.sun.com>; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 08:38:50 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 10:37:45 -0500 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <007801c83621$6b63ea70$0c0110ac@xplaptop> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: "Hurst, Cody" Message-id: <4756C5C9.6060103@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <007801c83621$6b63ea70$0c0110ac@xplaptop> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071009) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] terminal password key echo issue X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:39:26 -0000 Hi Cody: Unfortunately key echo is handled above the script level right now (it's in orca.py). What's going on here is that the key being typed is what is being echoed rather than the characters being inserted. To work around the problem, you can press Insert+s to toggle speech on and off. Will Hurst, Cody wrote: > Hi list, > > I realize as many of you have as well, when in the terminal and switch > to root, linux prompts you for your root password. When you type it, > nothing physically displays on the screen, but orca still announces the > keys as you type them, even if you have key echo turned on. Can this be > fixed with a special script in the terminal? Thank you. > > Cody > > Sincerely, > > Cody Hurst > > 215-292-8606 > > Computer repairs, builds and advice. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From William.Walker@Sun.COM Wed Dec 5 15:41:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BBDB750201 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:41:49 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 9, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.43] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ytWDBfLYn4Tb for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:41:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A6197501DC for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:41:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lB5FfDaY026294 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:41:13 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JSL0090127FF500@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 08:41:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([66.189.39.50]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JSL00HNA28MK250@mail-amer.sun.com>; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 08:41:10 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 10:40:06 -0500 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <002701c8354f$b4aacc80$0402a8c0@DH0N1F61> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Jeffrey Shockley Message-id: <4756C656.6080208@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <002701c8354f$b4aacc80$0402a8c0@DH0N1F61> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071009) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Reading help screens with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:41:49 -0000 Hi Jeffrey: Unfortunately, the help application (yelp) is not very accessible at this time. The underlying problem is that we're waiting for yelp to migrate to the new Gecko rendering engine of Firefox 3. Yelp, in turn, is waiting for Firefox 3 to ship. As soon as Firefox 3 ships, the wheels should be in motion for yelp. We're tracking the problem here: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=356041 Hope this helps, Will Jeffrey Shockley wrote: > Hi again, > I am trying to read the various help systems for programs in Ubuntu so I > can learn how to use them. > How can I select the different topics and read them with Orca? Is this > doable? > Thanks! > Jeffrey Shockley > > Check out my blog! > The URL is > http://jeffreyshockley.livejournal.com > > "You learn something new every day!" > "You can do anything if you put your mind to it!" > > "It is not what we see that determines who we are. It is how we choose > to see it." > > --Doomed Dragon > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From kenny@hittsjunk.net Wed Dec 5 16:01:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11DF27500AD for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:01:03 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.722 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.722 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8, TW_GD=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [33182:52:1:64:M1412, N, N, T, N, W1, N, N, S:.:?:?] (up: 3650 hrs), (link: sometimes DSL (3)), [207.115.11.52] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YwM-iT1QRMgH for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:00:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fmailhost02.isp.att.net (fmailhost02.isp.att.net [207.115.11.52]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 782ED75017F for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:00:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from blackbox (adsl-068-209-203-174.sip.hsv.bellsouth.net[68.209.203.174]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc02) with ESMTP id <20071205160027H0200actnje>; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:00:27 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [68.209.203.174] Received: from kenny by blackbox with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Izwfj-0007bo-AX for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 10:00:27 -0600 Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 10:00:27 -0600 From: Kenny Hitt To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20071205160026.GA3788@hittsjunk.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <000701c836f4$3dcdb270$0501a8c0@hornung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000701c836f4$3dcdb270$0501a8c0@hornung> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessible Login X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:01:03 -0000 Hi. Instead of editing files, I ran gdmsetup from a gnome-terminal. Once I enabled accessibile login, the needed lines were written to /etc/gdm.conf. I can start ORca at login with control-s. For some reason, it has to be right control the left control with s doesn't work. Orca does start and I get speech and Braille. Unfortunately, ORca doesn't read anything. I'm running The latest Debian Sid. Gdm 2.20.1. Kenny On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 10:06:41PM -0600, John Heim wrote: > I'm trying to configure gdm on a debian/lenny so that I can start orca at > the login prompt. I am working from the instructions here: > http://www.gnome.org/projects/gdm/docs/2.18/accessibility.html > > > I added 2 lines to the [daemon] section of /etc/gdm/gdm.conf: > AddGtkModules=true > GtkModulesList=gail:atk-bridge:dwellmouselistener:keymouselistener > > The instructions say to uncomment thoselines from your gdm.conf but there > weren't in there to uncomment. Anyway, then it says to modify > /etc/gdm/modules/AccessKeyMouseEvents. But it appears that it's already > configured to start orca by pressing s. Or you can start orca with > magnification via pressing m. > > But it doesn't work. Anybody have any idea why? > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From William.Walker@Sun.COM Wed Dec 5 16:09:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5006750091 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:09:22 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 9, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.36] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vDqOqSdj89eh for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:09:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF8C6750030 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:08:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lB5G8kpJ019743 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:08:46 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JSL0020134WEL00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 09:08:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([66.189.39.50]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JSL00MTX3IKLS60@mail-amer.sun.com>; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 09:08:45 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:07:40 -0500 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <1196620859.3571.23.camel@localhost> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Michael Whapples Message-id: <4756CCCC.2030400@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <000a01c8342c$0494dfd0$df0416d5@ricardo> <20071201212531.GA4375@clearwire.net> <00d701c834d6$2fece880$532016d5@ricardo> <1196620859.3571.23.camel@localhost> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071009) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Tabs with brltty and orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:09:22 -0000 Hi Michael: The main thing that is happening here is that the application is interpreting the tab and then adjusting the horizontal position of the text based upon its interpretation. Without peering into the guts of the application, it's not really possible to predict where the text is going to end up by analyzing just the text string itself. The problem gets even worse when someone presses space a few times before pressing tab -- in this case, the text can often start on the same exact position on the line had the person pressed tab alone. What's currently happening in Orca is that it's telling you pretty much exactly what is in the text string. We are looking at ways to support more of a 'physical' presentation of what's on the screen and are tracking it here: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=400732 Hope this helps, Will Michael Whapples wrote: > I will try and explain this, and I believe it is a brltty and orca > issue. > > All characters in a computer have a unique value, and it is up to the > computer (operating system or any other software controlling the output > devices) to decide how these should be displayed. In a text console, I > believe it expands tabs for the display (enters the number of spaces > needed to make the correct indentation) and for nano I guess that orca > is getting this expanded tab (nano understands it as a tab character, > that is why when backspacing a tab in nano it only takes one press to > remove it). > > For gedit (or other GUI apps such as eclipse), orca is interacting with > the app, not a console (display system) so recieves the tab character > itself. Orca could expand the tab (I think the windows based screen > readers do), but orca doesn't and passes the tab character to brltty. > Brltty might be able to expand the tab as well, but the table for nabcc > (/etc/brltty/text.nabcc.tbl which probably is the table you are using) > defines tab as dots 2 4 7 and 8. You will find other characters which > bring up strange braille symbols (the carrage return character, used by > windows as part of the new line marker displays dots 1 3 4 7 and 8). > Infact this behaviour isn't entirely unique to orca and linux, the linux > new line character (typically \n in programming or value 0x0A in hex) > when viewed in notepad by window-eyes appears in braille as dots 2 4 5 7 > and 8. > > To state it shortly, something needs to process the tab characters, > console apps have the console doing this, but GUI apps miss that middle > step out and communicate direct with orca and so nothing changes them to > multiple spaces. > > Now how to resolve this. Either orca needs modifying which should be > possible but requires programming skills, or alter the brltty table > although I am unsure if brltty supports mapping a single character to > multiple braille cells. > > Hope this helps you understand why and what might be done about it. > > From > Michael Whapples > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From William.Walker@Sun.COM Wed Dec 5 16:12:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 880EC750076 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:12:35 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 9, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.43] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nlE6CwrjtIrI for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:12:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86D85750030 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:12:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lB5GC1We011102 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:12:01 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JSL0020134WEL00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 09:12:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([66.189.39.50]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JSL00MYS3NYLS80@mail-amer.sun.com>; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 09:11:58 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:10:54 -0500 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <007301c83460$f9c4fb00$0501a8c0@hornung> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: John Heim Message-id: <4756CD8E.9090100@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <007301c83460$f9c4fb00$0501a8c0@hornung> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071009) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] ImportError: No module named brl X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:12:35 -0000 Hi John: You'll get this error if you tell Orca you want to use braille, but Orca cannot find anything that supports braille on the machine. If you are not a braille user, you can use the Orca preferences/configuration GUI to get rid of this message. If you are a braille user, however, something has gone awry with how BrlTTY/BrlAPI are configured on your machine and we'll need to figure out what is going on. What version of BrlTTY do you have? Will From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Wed Dec 5 16:18:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D964E7500DE for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:18:58 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.183] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CBa2Ii5OrUzQ for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:18:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C33F750316 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:18:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from grml (p57A58DA3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.165.141.163]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu8) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML31I-1Izwx527DB-0007gv; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:18:24 +0100 Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 17:18:25 +0100 From: Hermann To: Tomas Cerha Message-ID: <20071205161825.GA6120@grml> References: <20071205132129.GA4947@grml> <4756BDDE.8040704@brailcom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4756BDDE.8040704@brailcom.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18NpuVlC57L6vUDji28B6EF9surpkCOHJmw2Ut NslcjDin5CzUZewMzNhgN0qodH0NSroAEo8bCgHJFZoYdamSEY zUZbs6tsn2CXGHaC5s+Uw== Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] SD crash problem maybe is solved X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:18:59 -0000 Hi Tomas, thanks for the script, it works. In fact it's a smarter variant of my workaround, which is rather beginner like. For the congratulation lets wait a few days, but knock on wood :-) Hermann -- I use grml (http://grml.org/) From weavermicha@googlemail.com Wed Dec 5 16:30:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFCEA7501FD for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:30:45 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (Google crawlbot) (firewall!) (up: 719 hrs), (distance 14, link: (Google 2)), [64.233.184.227] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b0++5sE0QEpR for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:30:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.227]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37E3F750076 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:30:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c55so3320497wra for ; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 08:30:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.160.2 with SMTP id i2mr811246hue.1196872209535; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 08:30:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.159.8 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 08:30:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <2b2234330712050830t7db9f4f8mcdf4c934a33c66d0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:30:09 +0000 From: "Michael Weaver" To: Hermann In-Reply-To: <20071205130531.GA4896@grml> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <2b2234330712050340s1f66cc83ic0687485ed824a1@mail.gmail.com> <4756A094.5020805@brailcom.org> <20071205130531.GA4896@grml> Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] errors with speech-dispatcher X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:30:45 -0000 No I only have the Espeak synthesiser. The reason is that I am still newby as regards things like compiling apps in Linux so I just work with things by default as I still find it daunting if something goes wrong which is why I haven't built Festival or another synth even if Festival or TTsynth etc are better for speech quality which is also why my version of Orca is also behind. As I also have my own place it is even more daunting when something goes wrong and I have only just recently improved my specs on my PCs to give me enough RAM to be able to do an eyes free installation with Ubuntu. On 05/12/2007, Hermann wrote: > Gutsy doesn't install Fetival, Espeak is the only synth that's been > used. > Maybe Michael has installed it later. > Hermann > > -- > I use grml (http://grml.org/) > From William.Walker@Sun.COM Wed Dec 5 16:31:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC1AF75039E for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:31:03 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 9, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.34] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E8xdwCD+6bgI for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:30:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8BC075041C for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:30:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lB5GUR2N004676 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:30:27 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JSL00H0133QXT00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 09:30:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([66.189.39.50]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JSL00ANH4IBICA0@mail-amer.sun.com>; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 09:30:12 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:29:07 -0500 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Carlos_Eduardo_Rodrigues_Di=F3genes?= Message-id: <4756D1D3.8020800@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: <1196302149.32412.24.camel@desktop.bryen.info> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071009) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Question about Magnifier Zoomer settings X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:31:04 -0000 Just to follow up, I've added the "{top,bottom,right,left} half of the screen" notes to http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=452316#c14. Will Carlos Eduardo Rodrigues Digenes wrote: > Hi Bryen, > > 2007/11/29, Bryen : >> I pose this only as a question and not a criticism, as I wish to learn >> the reasoning behind the development of key pieces of Orca. >> >> When I first used Orca with the magnifier, it took up the full right >> half of my screen. Personally, I prefer the magnifier to be across the >> top of my screen. After some poking around, I found the zoomer settings >> under the magnifier tab. It took some trial and error as I tried to >> figure out what the numeric values meant for top bottom left right. My >> settings are now >> >> top 1 >> bottom 201 >> left 100 >> right 1014 >> >> Has there been any discussion about making this easier for the end-user? >> I was thinking that there are two ways to make it easier: >> >> One would be to be able to grab and re-size the magnifier window just >> like you would any other window on your desktop. > > I believe that this a great enhancement to be done in gnome-mag (yeah, > this is the underlying magnifier program), but I guess that gnome-mag > will not see any new features in a near future, since in the last > months I was the only active programmer in it, and I dropped this work > for an undefined amount of time, since I have other priorities. > >> The other way would be to change the zoomer setting options to a more >> user-friendly set of options. Like zoomer position = top half, bottom >> half, left half or right half. > > I also think that this can be great and this is really easy to do, and > be sure, you ask for it in the right mailing list! Probably in the > next release of orca you will see something like this. > > Best regards, > Carlos. > >> Also, out of curiosity, what is the underlying magnifier program? Is it >> gnome-mag? >> -- >> ---Bryen--- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca >> > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From William.Walker@Sun.COM Wed Dec 5 16:33:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 124B87502EB for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:33:12 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.998 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, L_P0F_Unix=-1, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 9, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.36] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Wxt20cuLaikV for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:33:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48CCD7502AA for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:32:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lB5GWd0A002101 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:32:39 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JSL00M0123LYF00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 09:32:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([66.189.39.50]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JSL0094Z4M8T960@mail-amer.sun.com>; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 09:32:32 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:31:28 -0500 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <1196201258.4471.25.camel@desktop.bryen.info> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: suseROCKS@bryen.com Message-id: <4756D260.8050105@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <1196201258.4471.25.camel@desktop.bryen.info> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071009) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Introduction X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:33:12 -0000 Bryen: I forgot to say "Welcome to Orca!!!" :-) This is the right list for all discussions regarding Orca. Will Bryen wrote: > Hi, > > I wanted to introduce myself and get involved with this mailing list. > See what topics are discussed in this group and how I may contribute. > > I am affected with Usher Syndrome, which means I have both Retinitis > Pigmentosa and hearing impairment. I am legally blind with less than 20 > degrees of vision but still retain some decent central vision (Until a > wall suddenly and miraculously appears in front of me with no warning! > "Okay! Who put that wall there?!?) And I am profoundly deaf, although > with a hearing aid I gain significant hearing to be considered > hard-of-hearing. I am a fluent ASL signer. > > I've been a user of Suse distributions for the past three years, but > only in recent weeks have I become more actively involved in the > openSuse community and participating on its openSuse-GNOME team. > Primarily, as a participant of this team, I am focused on testing > accessibility and usability tools from an end-user perspective in > preparation for their upcoming 11.0 release expected in 2008. > > So why am I interested in this area? Simple, not only am I interested > in it because I am a user with impairments, but also because I am a > systems consultant. And quite frankly, I want to be sure that in 10 > years, as my vision continues to deteriorate, it is not computers that > keeps me from working. :-) > > I've only recently started playing with Orca. There are some things I > like about it and some things that I don't like about it. But as I > emphasize to everyone talk to, there is no one tool to fits the bill for > everyone. We, as people with various impairments, are as diverse as the > snowflakes in winter. I've been working closely with some of the good > folks at Novell, and I can assure you they are very much enthusiastic in > making their distribution as highly accessible as possible. But as we > continue to discuss new ideas and issues, it occurred to me that surely > we aren't the first to discuss such things. Why re-invent the wheel? > > And so here I am. Enthusiastic about testing and evaluating the various > tools available and looking forward to the day when there truly is no > barrier left in the digital world. > From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Wed Dec 5 16:41:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A553750076 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:41:58 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.188] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WVEZunfcCTvU for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:41:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B632B750030 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:41:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from grml (p57A58DA3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.165.141.163]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKxQS-1IzxJJ2cgX-0001dw; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:41:21 +0100 Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 17:41:24 +0100 From: Hermann To: Michael Weaver Message-ID: <20071205164123.GA6229@grml> References: <2b2234330712050340s1f66cc83ic0687485ed824a1@mail.gmail.com> <4756A094.5020805@brailcom.org> <20071205130531.GA4896@grml> <2b2234330712050830t7db9f4f8mcdf4c934a33c66d0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <2b2234330712050830t7db9f4f8mcdf4c934a33c66d0@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+1Kq8nj14j2xU65Kcx1szWzYllVOlXO2Ob9pn YIcOfxGqEOXElhsqR+A97THVkH8fHeuJgWAMlUE6uhfi+kyXRJ cwMfU8KVXSGY1NbSRa5mQ== Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] errors with speech-dispatcher X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:41:58 -0000 Gutsy comes with Orca 2.20.0, and that's not too old. I think you should check your sorces list in /etc/apt/sources.list Some servers are commented out, and removing the comment chars perhaps solves your problem. After editing this file do: apt-get update and try again. Hermann -- I use grml (http://grml.org/) From Mike.Wigle@cincyblind.org Wed Dec 5 16:48:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C293750030 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:48:53 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.461 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.461 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.697, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, L_P0F_W=1.7] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Windows 2000 SP4, XP SP1+, (distance 17, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [74.205.8.197] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id snyYGWnCZjlM for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:48:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from server100.appriver.com (server100g.appriver.com [74.205.8.197]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90A65750076 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:48:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: by server100.appriver.com (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 5.1.13) with PIPE id 102989609; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:48:17 -0500 Received: from [216.196.239.210] (HELO CABEXCH1.CINCYBLIND.LOCAL) by server100.appriver.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.13) with ESMTP id 102989597; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:48:16 -0500 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 11:44:15 -0500 Message-ID: <73DF67846C241C478E4B2A627B5EFC37A5F6E7@CABEXCH1.CINCYBLIND.LOCAL> In-Reply-To: <4756D1D3.8020800@sun.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [orca-list] Question about Magnifier Zoomer settings Thread-Index: Acg3XhKfQlqHcmzCQoWTXKBOmajYJw== References: <1196302149.32412.24.camel@desktop.bryen.info> <4756D1D3.8020800@sun.com> From: "Mike Wigle" To: "Willie Walker" X-Policy: GLOBAL X-Policy: GLOBAL X-Primary: Mike.Wigle@cincyblind.org X-Note: This Email was scanned by AppRiver SecureTide X-GBUdb-Analysis: 0, 216.196.239.210, Ugly c=0.737847 p=-0.948718 Source Normal X-Signature-Violations: 0-0-0-6952-c X-Note: Spam Tests Failed: X-Country-Path: UNITED STATES->UNITED STATES X-Note-Sending-IP: 216.196.239.210 X-Note-Reverse-DNS: 210.239.196.216.DED-DSL.fuse.net X-Note-WHTLIST: Mike.Wigle@cincyblind.org X-Note: User Rule Hits: X-Note: Global Rule Hits: 75 76 122 X-Note: Mail Class: VALID Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Question about Magnifier Zoomer settings X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:48:53 -0000 I was curious, will it ever be possible to get full screen magnification = out of gnome-mag? Michael Wigle -----Original Message----- From: Willie Walker [mailto:William.Walker@Sun.COM]=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 11:29 AM To: Carlos Eduardo Rodrigues Di=F3genes Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Question about Magnifier Zoomer settings Just to follow up, I've added the "{top,bottom,right,left} half of the=20 screen" notes to http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D452316#c14. Will Carlos Eduardo Rodrigues Di=F3genes wrote: > Hi Bryen, >=20 > 2007/11/29, Bryen : >> I pose this only as a question and not a criticism, as I wish to = learn >> the reasoning behind the development of key pieces of Orca. >> >> When I first used Orca with the magnifier, it took up the full right >> half of my screen. Personally, I prefer the magnifier to be across = the >> top of my screen. After some poking around, I found the zoomer = settings >> under the magnifier tab. It took some trial and error as I tried to >> figure out what the numeric values meant for top bottom left right. = My >> settings are now >> >> top 1 >> bottom 201 >> left 100 >> right 1014 >> >> Has there been any discussion about making this easier for the = end-user? >> I was thinking that there are two ways to make it easier: >> >> One would be to be able to grab and re-size the magnifier window just >> like you would any other window on your desktop. >=20 > I believe that this a great enhancement to be done in gnome-mag (yeah, > this is the underlying magnifier program), but I guess that gnome-mag > will not see any new features in a near future, since in the last > months I was the only active programmer in it, and I dropped this work > for an undefined amount of time, since I have other priorities. >=20 >> The other way would be to change the zoomer setting options to a more >> user-friendly set of options. Like zoomer position =3D top half, = bottom >> half, left half or right half. >=20 > I also think that this can be great and this is really easy to do, and > be sure, you ask for it in the right mailing list! Probably in the > next release of orca you will see something like this. >=20 > Best regards, > Carlos. >=20 >> Also, out of curiosity, what is the underlying magnifier program? Is = it >> gnome-mag? >> -- >> ---Bryen--- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca >> > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca No virus found in this outgoing message. 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(up: 5408 hrs), (distance 15, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [213.205.33.55] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dePej3HVKKzr for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:52:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from averell.tiscali.it (averell.tiscali.it [213.205.33.55]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B2F0750030 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:51:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ollie-pc2.traveling.it (84.221.125.133) by averell.tiscali.it (7.3.122) id 47470E0E00D7904D for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 17:51:43 +0100 Message-ID: <47470E0E00D7904D@averell.tiscali.it> (added by postmaster@tiscali.it) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:51:37 +0100 To: orca-list@gnome.org From: Ollie Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [orca-list] Problem with brltty X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:52:16 -0000 Hello list, since I installed Ubuntu 7.10, I've experienced a strange problem with brltty. When I boot, brltty seems to start regularly (I get brltty 3.72 on my display), then a message appears that says: startup problem When I log in and Orca starts, I disconnect the braille display for a second or so and then reconnect it, and the display shows "screen not in text mode", instead of the "Welcome to Orca" message. If I press Alt+f1, the menu shows regularly, and after that brltty seems to work perfectly well. Can it be avoided? Thanks and cheers, Ollie From suseROCKS@bryen.com Wed Dec 5 16:52:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41FE0750395 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:52:37 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 4737 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [208.100.11.27] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qrvRwwUBpFAS for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:52:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from tesla.server5vh.com (tesla.server5vh.com [208.100.11.27]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 187F37502A1 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:52:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from c-24-12-98-76.hsd1.il.comcast.net ([24.12.98.76]:12479 helo=[10.1.10.10]) by tesla.server5vh.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IzxTe-00056D-HP; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 10:52:02 -0600 From: Bryen To: Willie Walker In-Reply-To: <4756D1D3.8020800@sun.com> References: <1196302149.32412.24.camel@desktop.bryen.info> <4756D1D3.8020800@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 10:51:58 -0600 Message-Id: <1196873518.4461.48.camel@desktop.bryen.info> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - tesla.server5vh.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - bryen.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Question about Magnifier Zoomer settings X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: suseROCKS@bryen.com List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:52:37 -0000 Thanks Will. Much appreciated! On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 11:29 -0500, Willie Walker wrote: > Just to follow up, I've added the "{top,bottom,right,left} half of the=20 > screen" notes to http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D452316#c14. >=20 > Will >=20 > Carlos Eduardo Rodrigues Di=C3=B3genes wrote: > > Hi Bryen, > >=20 > > 2007/11/29, Bryen : > >> I pose this only as a question and not a criticism, as I wish to learn > >> the reasoning behind the development of key pieces of Orca. > >> > >> When I first used Orca with the magnifier, it took up the full right > >> half of my screen. Personally, I prefer the magnifier to be across th= e > >> top of my screen. After some poking around, I found the zoomer settin= gs > >> under the magnifier tab. It took some trial and error as I tried to > >> figure out what the numeric values meant for top bottom left right. M= y > >> settings are now > >> > >> top 1 > >> bottom 201 > >> left 100 > >> right 1014 > >> > >> Has there been any discussion about making this easier for the end-use= r? > >> I was thinking that there are two ways to make it easier: > >> > >> One would be to be able to grab and re-size the magnifier window just > >> like you would any other window on your desktop. > >=20 > > I believe that this a great enhancement to be done in gnome-mag (yeah, > > this is the underlying magnifier program), but I guess that gnome-mag > > will not see any new features in a near future, since in the last > > months I was the only active programmer in it, and I dropped this work > > for an undefined amount of time, since I have other priorities. > >=20 > >> The other way would be to change the zoomer setting options to a more > >> user-friendly set of options. Like zoomer position =3D top half, bott= om > >> half, left half or right half. > >=20 > > I also think that this can be great and this is really easy to do, and > > be sure, you ask for it in the right mailing list! Probably in the > > next release of orca you will see something like this. > >=20 > > Best regards, > > Carlos. > >=20 > >> Also, out of curiosity, what is the underlying magnifier program? Is = it > >> gnome-mag? > >> -- > >> ---Bryen--- > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Orca-list mailing list > >> Orca-list@gnome.org > >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca >=20 --=20 ---Bryen--- From William.Walker@Sun.COM Wed Dec 5 16:55:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51F8B7500AD for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:55:26 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 9, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.31] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4tPeGtitS0Ur for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:55:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com (brmea-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30CEF7500D6 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:54:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lB5Gso50018492 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:54:50 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JSL00G0154FIY00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 09:54:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([66.189.39.50]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JSL009PI5NCT9F0@mail-amer.sun.com>; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 09:54:49 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:53:44 -0500 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <73DF67846C241C478E4B2A627B5EFC37A5F6E7@CABEXCH1.CINCYBLIND.LOCAL> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Mike Wigle Message-id: <4756D798.2000603@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: <1196302149.32412.24.camel@desktop.bryen.info> <4756D1D3.8020800@sun.com> <73DF67846C241C478E4B2A627B5EFC37A5F6E7@CABEXCH1.CINCYBLIND.LOCAL> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071009) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Question about Magnifier Zoomer settings X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:55:26 -0000 Yes, and it can even be done with GNOME 2.20 and better, I believe. It depends upon your graphics card and your X Server. I've only experimented with it on OpenSolaris, though. Joanie has played more with it on Ubuntu. Will Mike Wigle wrote: > I was curious, will it ever be possible to get full screen magnification out of gnome-mag? > > Michael Wigle > > -----Original Message----- > From: Willie Walker [mailto:William.Walker@Sun.COM] > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 11:29 AM > To: Carlos Eduardo Rodrigues Digenes > Cc: orca-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: [orca-list] Question about Magnifier Zoomer settings > > Just to follow up, I've added the "{top,bottom,right,left} half of the > screen" notes to http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=452316#c14. > > Will > > Carlos Eduardo Rodrigues Digenes wrote: >> Hi Bryen, >> >> 2007/11/29, Bryen : >>> I pose this only as a question and not a criticism, as I wish to learn >>> the reasoning behind the development of key pieces of Orca. >>> >>> When I first used Orca with the magnifier, it took up the full right >>> half of my screen. Personally, I prefer the magnifier to be across the >>> top of my screen. After some poking around, I found the zoomer settings >>> under the magnifier tab. It took some trial and error as I tried to >>> figure out what the numeric values meant for top bottom left right. My >>> settings are now >>> >>> top 1 >>> bottom 201 >>> left 100 >>> right 1014 >>> >>> Has there been any discussion about making this easier for the end-user? >>> I was thinking that there are two ways to make it easier: >>> >>> One would be to be able to grab and re-size the magnifier window just >>> like you would any other window on your desktop. >> I believe that this a great enhancement to be done in gnome-mag (yeah, >> this is the underlying magnifier program), but I guess that gnome-mag >> will not see any new features in a near future, since in the last >> months I was the only active programmer in it, and I dropped this work >> for an undefined amount of time, since I have other priorities. >> >>> The other way would be to change the zoomer setting options to a more >>> user-friendly set of options. Like zoomer position = top half, bottom >>> half, left half or right half. >> I also think that this can be great and this is really easy to do, and >> be sure, you ask for it in the right mailing list! Probably in the >> next release of orca you will see something like this. >> >> Best regards, >> Carlos. >> >>> Also, out of curiosity, what is the underlying magnifier program? Is it >>> gnome-mag? >>> -- >>> ---Bryen--- >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Orca-list mailing list >>> Orca-list@gnome.org >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.14/1172 - Release Date: 12/5/2007 8:41 AM > > From suseROCKS@bryen.com Wed Dec 5 17:01:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8630575037E for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 17:01:12 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.522 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_VM=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 4737 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [208.100.11.27] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cEVB5WNrw01q for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 17:01:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from tesla.server5vh.com (tesla.server5vh.com [208.100.11.27]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2808D750425 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 17:00:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from c-24-12-98-76.hsd1.il.comcast.net ([24.12.98.76]:21962 helo=[10.1.10.10]) by tesla.server5vh.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Izxc0-0005pJ-QG for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:00:40 -0600 From: Bryen To: orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <73DF67846C241C478E4B2A627B5EFC37A5F6E7@CABEXCH1.CINCYBLIND.LOCAL> References: <1196302149.32412.24.camel@desktop.bryen.info> <4756D1D3.8020800@sun.com> <73DF67846C241C478E4B2A627B5EFC37A5F6E7@CABEXCH1.CINCYBLIND.LOCAL> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:00:36 -0600 Message-Id: <1196874036.4461.57.camel@desktop.bryen.info> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - tesla.server5vh.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - bryen.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [orca-list] Question about Magnifier Zoomer settings X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: suseROCKS@bryen.com List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:01:12 -0000 On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 11:44 -0500, Mike Wigle wrote: > I was curious, will it ever be possible to get full screen magnification out of gnome-mag? > > Michael Wigle I think it is POSSIBLE to do that with the settings. However, from what I can tell, if you use gnome-mag as the full screen magnifier, then you can't really work within the magnifier since the magnifier is a separate window from your workspace and your mouse/keyboard functions occur outside the magnifier. I've been able to achieve full screen magnification with the vmg app I mentioned in an earlier thread. But the drawback on that app is that it won't allow for typing/clicking at all. I've been thinking of trying another attempt when I finish upgrading my hardware on another computer in which I would connect two monitors and use the second monitor as a magnifier. That's kind of an ugly situation, but in theory it should work. > > ---Bryen--- From Mike.Wigle@cincyblind.org Wed Dec 5 17:06:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EED17500AD for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 17:06:43 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.45 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.45 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.686, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, L_P0F_W=1.7] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Windows 2000 SP4, XP SP1+, (distance 17, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [74.205.8.195] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0bwHxUFv6cwX for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 17:06:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from server100.appriver.com (server100e.appriver.com [74.205.8.195]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B24787501B8 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 17:06:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: by server100.appriver.com (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 5.1.13) with PIPE id 103008146; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:06:07 -0500 Received: from [216.196.239.210] (HELO CABEXCH1.CINCYBLIND.LOCAL) by server100.appriver.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.13) with ESMTP id 103008136; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:06:06 -0500 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 11:59:43 -0500 Message-ID: <73DF67846C241C478E4B2A627B5EFC37A5F6E9@CABEXCH1.CINCYBLIND.LOCAL> In-Reply-To: <4756D798.2000603@sun.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [orca-list] Question about Magnifier Zoomer settings Thread-Index: Acg3X5BK7yUvJVaNRYKYO3cTEwjGzQAADXKQ References: <1196302149.32412.24.camel@desktop.bryen.info> <4756D1D3.8020800@sun.com> <73DF67846C241C478E4B2A627B5EFC37A5F6E7@CABEXCH1.CINCYBLIND.LOCAL> <4756D798.2000603@sun.com> From: "Mike Wigle" To: X-Policy: GLOBAL X-Policy: GLOBAL X-Primary: Mike.Wigle@cincyblind.org X-Note: This Email was scanned by AppRiver SecureTide X-GBUdb-Analysis: 0, 216.196.239.210, Ugly c=0.738406 p=-0.948995 Source Normal X-Signature-Violations: 0-0-0-9884-c X-Note: Spam Tests Failed: X-Country-Path: UNITED STATES->UNITED STATES X-Note-Sending-IP: 216.196.239.210 X-Note-Reverse-DNS: 210.239.196.216.DED-DSL.fuse.net X-Note-WHTLIST: Mike.Wigle@cincyblind.org X-Note: User Rule Hits: X-Note: Global Rule Hits: 75 76 122 X-Note: Mail Class: VALID Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Question about Magnifier Zoomer settings X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:06:43 -0000 Is there any documentation anywhere on how to do it? I'm running a fresh = copy of Ubuntu 7.10 and an ATI Radeon X1300 video card. I haven't = grabbed the latest Orca yet because I've had to do some Vista testing = lately but would really like to be able to show Gnome-mag in full screen = view. Thanks in advance for any info you can provide. Michael Wigle Computer Access Specialist Cincinnati Association for the Blind and Visually Impaired 2045 Gilbert Ave. Cincinnati, OH 45202 Office: 513-487-4243 Web: http://www.cincyblind.org -----Original Message----- From: William.Walker@Sun.COM [mailto:William.Walker@Sun.COM]=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 11:54 AM To: Mike Wigle Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Question about Magnifier Zoomer settings Yes, and it can even be done with GNOME 2.20 and better, I believe. It=20 depends upon your graphics card and your X Server. I've only=20 experimented with it on OpenSolaris, though. Joanie has played more=20 with it on Ubuntu. Will Mike Wigle wrote: > I was curious, will it ever be possible to get full screen = magnification out of gnome-mag? >=20 > Michael Wigle >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Willie Walker [mailto:William.Walker@Sun.COM]=20 > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 11:29 AM > To: Carlos Eduardo Rodrigues Di=F3genes > Cc: orca-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: [orca-list] Question about Magnifier Zoomer settings >=20 > Just to follow up, I've added the "{top,bottom,right,left} half of the = > screen" notes to = http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D452316#c14. >=20 > Will >=20 > Carlos Eduardo Rodrigues Di=F3genes wrote: >> Hi Bryen, >> >> 2007/11/29, Bryen : >>> I pose this only as a question and not a criticism, as I wish to = learn >>> the reasoning behind the development of key pieces of Orca. >>> >>> When I first used Orca with the magnifier, it took up the full right >>> half of my screen. Personally, I prefer the magnifier to be across = the >>> top of my screen. After some poking around, I found the zoomer = settings >>> under the magnifier tab. It took some trial and error as I tried to >>> figure out what the numeric values meant for top bottom left right. = My >>> settings are now >>> >>> top 1 >>> bottom 201 >>> left 100 >>> right 1014 >>> >>> Has there been any discussion about making this easier for the = end-user? >>> I was thinking that there are two ways to make it easier: >>> >>> One would be to be able to grab and re-size the magnifier window = just >>> like you would any other window on your desktop. >> I believe that this a great enhancement to be done in gnome-mag = (yeah, >> this is the underlying magnifier program), but I guess that gnome-mag >> will not see any new features in a near future, since in the last >> months I was the only active programmer in it, and I dropped this = work >> for an undefined amount of time, since I have other priorities. >> >>> The other way would be to change the zoomer setting options to a = more >>> user-friendly set of options. Like zoomer position =3D top half, = bottom >>> half, left half or right half. >> I also think that this can be great and this is really easy to do, = and >> be sure, you ask for it in the right mailing list! Probably in the >> next release of orca you will see something like this. >> >> Best regards, >> Carlos. >> >>> Also, out of curiosity, what is the underlying magnifier program? = Is it >>> gnome-mag? >>> -- >>> ---Bryen--- >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Orca-list mailing list >>> Orca-list@gnome.org >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca >=20 >=20 >=20 > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.14/1172 - Release Date: = 12/5/2007 8:41 AM > =20 >=20 No virus found in this incoming message. 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Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.14/1172 - Release Date: = 12/5/2007 8:41 AM =20 From William.Walker@Sun.COM Wed Dec 5 17:42:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF7DA7500D6 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 17:42:30 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.109 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.109 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11, L_P0F_Unix=-1, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 9, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.31] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oyycx5dOX3jG for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 17:42:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com (brmea-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F24377500AD for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 17:41:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lB5HftqA012321 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 17:41:55 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JSL00L017C1Z000@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 10:41:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([66.189.39.50]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JSL0052V7TTCHC0@mail-amer.sun.com>; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 10:41:53 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:40:48 -0500 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <000001c827e5$03ff5bc0$0202a8c0@JRG2XC1> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Jeffrey Malewski Message-id: <4756E2A0.9000406@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: <000001c827e5$03ff5bc0$0202a8c0@JRG2XC1> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071009) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: [orca-list] Magnification (was Re: Contribution to Orca) X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:42:31 -0000 Hi Jeffrey - welcome! I'm glad to see that more magnifier users are joining this list. We need more users to help drive the design of magnification support in Orca as well as give feedback on areas for improvement. There have already been some good ideas contributed this week alone. I've started a page on the Orca WIKI: http://live.gnome.org/Orca/Magnification The page is skeletal right now, and we could use help from community members to fill it out and modify it as appropriate. Any takers? :-) Will Jeffrey Malewski wrote: > I got my computer back with my discovery of Jaws and Window Eyes in > 2000. They were only demos but it got me back up to speed enough to > get through the computer training course at the Hines VA Blind > Rehabilitation Center in 2001. I came home from Hines with a new Dell > Dimension 4100 with Magic screen magnification on it. This and a lot of > road kill allowed me to learn computer repair on my own. I have reached > the point I am comfortable building my own from the ground up. > > > > Ive had a peek at Linux through my hand held magnifier and a Knoppix > 3.3 Live Cd. The Knoppix 3.4 Speakup Iso I downloaded would go into a > kernel panic and crash before reaching the desktop which left me with > the feeling I was trapped in Windows by my impairment. Looking for an > alternate OS for my newest build, I downloaded and installed Ubuntu 7.1. > The alternate version included Kmag, which I found difficult to use. > Since then Ive come across Linux Mint which includes Orca. I enabled > Orca for the install and had issues with the default Split view. I was > able to get through the first few screens by pressing Enter when I > couldnt reach the button on the screen, but got hopelessly tied up at > the Time settings and had to shut down to get out. Is Split view the > only option for magnification? I also tried to enable speech. Are the > magnification and speech intended to be used together? > > > > Im not a programmer, and wouldnt be much help on that end of > development, but I am able to install my own programs and would be glad > to test, make bug reports, and give my own personal views and > suggestions, if that wil be helpful I will be glad to try to make a > contribution to your project. > > > > Jeff Malewski > > jmlwsk@toast.net > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From mwhapples@aim.com Wed Dec 5 17:44:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E24597500D6 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 17:44:35 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 8 (1), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [64.12.137.11] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iXtoVgqWGIBQ for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 17:44:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imo-m19.mx.aol.com (imo-m19.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.11]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57C6675013A for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 17:44:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mwhapples@aim.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id h.d20.1a7d7527 (57882) for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 12:43:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.64] ([87.112.54.76]) by air-ia04.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILINIA44-e21a4756e3561ab; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:43:56 -0500 From: Michael Whapples To: orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <47470E0E00D7904D@averell.tiscali.it> (added by postmaster@tiscali.it) References: <47470E0E00D7904D@averell.tiscali.it> (added by postmaster@tiscali.it) Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:46:15 +0000 Message-Id: <1196876775.3483.11.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 87.112.54.76 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Problem with brltty X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:44:36 -0000 Hello, If the problem is what I had once before when I used ubuntu, it is that brltty gets started twice, once when the display is detected, and once when the start-up scripts starts it. I think I solved it (I am going from memory as it was some time ago I used ubuntu (and that was feisty)) I removed the brltty udev rule (probably removing it from the start-up scripts would work as well). To explain the two above ways brltty is started: udev is a system which detects new hardware and performs a task accordingly, so can start brltty when a braille display is plugged in (but this requires the connection to allow automatic detection of devices, serial ports don't, I think, so if a braille display is connected by serial brltty won't be started this way). The start-up scripts will always start brltty (regardless of connection type) when the system starts. Hope this helps you with working something out. From Michael Whapples On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 17:51 +0100, Ollie wrote: > Hello list, > since I installed Ubuntu 7.10, I've experienced a strange problem with brltty. > When I boot, brltty seems to start regularly (I get brltty 3.72 on my > display), then a message appears that says: > startup problem > > When I log in and Orca starts, I disconnect the braille display for a > second or so and then reconnect it, and the display shows "screen not > in text mode", instead of the "Welcome to Orca" message. > If I press Alt+f1, the menu shows regularly, and after that brltty > seems to work perfectly well. > > Can it be avoided? > Thanks and cheers, > Ollie > > > From William.Walker@Sun.COM Wed Dec 5 18:10:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D3E17501DC for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 18:10:19 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 9, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.36] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IEeE-MXlbE-C for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 18:10:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4952E75036F for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 18:09:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lB5I9fAZ024841 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 18:09:41 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JSL00H017SILI00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:09:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([66.189.39.50]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JSL00KPN93W0110@mail-amer.sun.com>; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:09:32 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 13:08:28 -0500 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <000001c8353d$ce34c0a0$0402a8c0@DH0N1F61> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Jeffrey Shockley Message-id: <4756E91C.6090506@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <000001c8353d$ce34c0a0$0402a8c0@DH0N1F61> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071009) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Reading dialog boxes with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:10:19 -0000 Hi Jeffrey: Welcome to the Orca list! The normal operating mode of Orca is "focus tracking mode". In focus tracking mode, you interact with any application as any user would using the built-in keyboard navigation mechanisms of GNOME. For example, as you 'Tab' around the interface or interact with objects, such as pressing 'Space' to toggle check boxes or typing text into text areas, Orca will present the information to you via the combinations of speech, braille, and/or magnification that you have specified. That is, you merely interact with applications without needing to know any extra Orca keyboard commands. When you use an application for the first time, or if you just want to get a better idea of what is on the screen, you may often want to explore a window without changing anything inside it. This includes not even tabbing around the interface. As such, "focus tracking mode" may not always be useful and you will need to use other features of Orca, such as "flat review" and "where am I" that are controlled by key bindings specific to Orca. When you press these key bindings, nothing happens in the application. Instead, Orca just presents the information you have requested. To get you started, the keypad keys in the desktop keyboard layout are used to do a lot of the flat review and where am I stuff. Keypad keys 7/8/9 are used for exploring by line, 4/5/6 for exploring by word, and 1/2/3 for exploring by character. Having said all that, Orca currently does not have an automatic "say all" of a dialog window. We're tracking the development of that via this bug: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=354462 Hope this helps, Will Jeffrey Shockley wrote: > Hi, > I'm new to both Orca and this list. > I just started using a Ubuntu live CD yesterday because I wanted to play > with it and see how it works. > I have looked on the Gnome website in the keyboard commands sections for > laptops, since I'm running the live CD on a laptop. > The one command I can not find is one to read dialog boxes. > Does a command exist for doing this? If so could someone please give me > the laptop keyboard command for accomplishing this task? > Thanks! > Jeffrey Shockley > > Check out my blog! > The URL is > http://jeffreyshockley.livejournal.com > > "You learn something new every day!" > "You can do anything if you put your mind to it!" > > "It is not what we see that determines who we are. It is how we choose > to see it." > > --Doomed Dragon > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From William.Walker@Sun.COM Wed Dec 5 18:58:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45CA67501D9 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 18:58:03 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 9, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.34] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nK3OEj1PC+Sg for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 18:57:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD43E7500DE for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 18:57:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lB5IvT8K000120 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 18:57:29 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JSL00E019DZXD00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:57:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([66.189.39.50]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JSL004UZBBS9410@mail-amer.sun.com>; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:57:28 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 13:56:24 -0500 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <20071110123148.GA4954@grml> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Hermann Message-id: <4756F458.7090208@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <20071110123148.GA4954@grml> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071009) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] What's the function of orca+n in Evolution? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:58:03 -0000 Hi Hermann: Orca+n tells Orca to act like 'biff', or let the user know when new mail has arrived, even if Evolution doesn't have focus. Hopefully this works...I haven't tested it in a long time. :-( Hope this helps! Will Hermann wrote: > Hi, > the subject says it almost: In Evolution there's a key combination > orca+n that toggles whether messages are displayed or not when a script > is not active? > Which script, and what means "not active"? Toggling this does not change > anything, or did I miss something? > Hermann > From William.Walker@Sun.COM Wed Dec 5 19:03:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6471C7502EA for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 19:03:43 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 9, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.36] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bAA7PrNbBxfr for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 19:03:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3254F750257 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 19:03:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lB5J36Xj000925 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 19:03:07 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JSL00E019DZXD00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:03:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([66.189.39.50]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JSL004RQBL69420@mail-amer.sun.com>; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:03:06 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 14:01:56 -0500 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <00b601c817f3$730b6ec0$0300a8c0@depricelaptop> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: "David E. Price" Message-id: <4756F5A4.6080901@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <00b101c815ef$03042730$0300a8c0@depricelaptop> <472207B6.7020806@sun.com> <47220B9A.7090307@sun.com> <00b601c817f3$730b6ec0$0300a8c0@depricelaptop> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071009) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Potential conflict between Orca and emacspeak with hardware synth X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 19:03:43 -0000 As a test, you might try putting the following lines in your ~/.orca/user-settings.py file: # Settings that apply to the particular speech engine to # use as well details on the default voices to use. # orca.settings.speechFactoryModules = ["gnomespeechfactory"] This erases Orca's knowledge of the emacspeak and speechdipatcher modules. If this stops the probing, then we can be almost sure its one of "espeechfactory" and/or "speechdispatcherfactory". You can add those strings to the speechFactoryModules above, separated by commas to test more. For example: orca.settings.speechFactoryModules = ["gnomespeechfactory", "espeechfactory"] I'd be interested in what happens, Will David E. Price wrote: > Hi, > > I also get the same behavior as Mike. My DecTalk Express receives a reset > string for it, followed by a reset string for the DecTalk MultiVoice. When > this occurs, I have gnome-speech as the speech server and eSpeak as the > synthesizer. Emacspeak is not running at the time. So, could it be that, > since the emacspeak speech server is one of my available speech servers, > although not currently in use, that Orca is in some way having the emacspeak > server test its available resources when the Orca Preferences dialog is > launched? Could this also be happening when moving from a non-AT-SPI > application back to those where Orca is functional? Just thoughts... > > dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Willie Walker" > To: "Mike Gorse" > Cc: "David E. Price" ; > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 9:45 AM > Subject: Re: [orca-list] Potential conflict between Orca and emacspeak with > hardware synth > > >> No hardware devices are supported by gnome-speech right now, so the >> suspects might be the emacspeak driver and/or speech dispatcher. >> >> Will >> >> Mike Gorse wrote: >>> For what it's worth, _something_ does probe the serial port when the user >>> enters the preferences dialog. I have a Speak-out connected to the >>> serial port on my desktop, and it starts reading out commands intended >>> for a DEC-talk. So presumably it is gnome-speech that is doing this. >>> >>> -- Mike Gorse / AIM:linvortex / http://mgorse.freeshell.org -- >>> >>> On Fri, 26 Oct 2007, Willie Walker wrote: >>> >>>> Hi David: >>>> >>>> Orca doesn't probe the serial ports at all. Instead, it relies upon the >>>> selected speech system (gnome-speech, emacspeak, speech dispatcher) to >>>> perform audio/driver support on Orca's behalf. >>>> >>>> If you take emacspeak out of the equation, and choose gnome-speech with >>>> eSpeak for Orca, do you still experience the hang? If so, it might be >>>> instability in Gutsy that's getting you. >>>> >>>> Will > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From cerha@brailcom.org Wed Dec 5 19:11:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6739C750094 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 19:11:15 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.559 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.559 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.040, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 8240 hrs), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [81.25.16.212] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LDqKMPxVURWi for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 19:11:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx4.tartarnet.cz (mx4.tartarnet.cz [81.25.16.212]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9B5D75014F for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 19:10:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tartarnet.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id B409B607166D; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 20:10:37 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at Received: from mx4.tartarnet.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx4.tartarnet.cz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DBFfaixJ2CwE; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 20:10:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.0.0.2] (unknown [10.22.13.12]) by mx4.tartarnet.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12D7E6071668; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 20:10:30 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4756F7B3.2010401@brailcom.org> Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 20:10:43 +0100 From: Tomas Cerha Organization: Brailcom, o.p.s. User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071008) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Willie Walker References: <00b101c815ef$03042730$0300a8c0@depricelaptop> <472207B6.7020806@sun.com> <47220B9A.7090307@sun.com> <00b601c817f3$730b6ec0$0300a8c0@depricelaptop> <4756F5A4.6080901@sun.com> In-Reply-To: <4756F5A4.6080901@sun.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "David E. Price" , orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Potential conflict between Orca and emacspeak with hardware synth X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 19:11:15 -0000 Willie Walker wrote: > orca.settings.speechFactoryModules = ["gnomespeechfactory"] > > This erases Orca's knowledge of the emacspeak and speechdipatcher > modules. If this stops the probing, then we can be almost sure its one > of "espeechfactory" and/or "speechdispatcherfactory". Hello Will and David, since Speech Dispatcher doesn't support hardware synthesizers, we can be almost sure it is "espeechfactory" what causes the problem. Best regards, Tomas. From jheim@math.wisc.edu Wed Dec 5 19:15:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4278F750169 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 19:15:55 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (up: 5032 hrs), (distance 22, link: ethernet/modem), [144.92.166.194] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xRxDyQB9httf for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 19:15:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mta1.math.wisc.edu (mta1.math.wisc.edu [144.92.166.194]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A336F750094 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 19:15:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ulam.math.wisc.edu (ulam.math.wisc.edu [144.92.166.245]) by mta1.math.wisc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA7357456B for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:15:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from vv507j (vv507j.math.wisc.edu [144.92.166.75]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ulam.math.wisc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E51782BD96 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:15:20 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <0a8001c83773$2dce2330$4ba65c90@vv507j> From: "John Heim" To: References: <007301c83460$f9c4fb00$0501a8c0@hornung> <4756CD8E.9090100@sun.com> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:15:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Subject: Re: [orca-list] ImportError: No module named brl X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 19:15:55 -0000 Thanks, Willy. But I fixed the problem by giving up on the debian packages and building orca from the tar ball instead. That gave me a newer version anyway. But I would have had a problem with your suggestion because I don't think I could get to the orca preferences because I couldn't start orca. For the record, I think you can get orca working in debian fairly easily by installing the debian packages and then building orca from the tarball. The first step is necessary because it will install all the dependencies. Then you can just download the tarball, do a make and a make install . It worked for me anyway. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Walker" To: "John Heim" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [orca-list] ImportError: No module named brl > Hi John: > > You'll get this error if you tell Orca you want to use braille, but Orca > cannot find anything that supports braille on the machine. If you are not > a braille user, you can use the Orca preferences/configuration GUI to get > rid of this message. > > If you are a braille user, however, something has gone awry with how > BrlTTY/BrlAPI are configured on your machine and we'll need to figure out > what is going on. What version of BrlTTY do you have? > > Will > > > > From lists@digitaldarragh.com Wed Dec 5 20:15:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 476A57501CB for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 20:15:54 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.184 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.184 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 4410 hrs), (distance 12, link: (Google 2)), [64.233.166.181] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dNBo6AlDFSDj for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 20:15:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E39F6750177 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 20:15:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a25so9679865pyi for ; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:15:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.10.2 with SMTP id 2mr2086917qbj.1196885713831; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:15:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.214.9 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 12:15:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8fd471eb0712051215y76fb6e76w7a6d74c4065e33b1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 20:15:13 +0000 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Darragh_=D3_H=E9iligh?=" To: "orca-list@gnome.org" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3182_24593900.1196885713823" Subject: [orca-list] review of accessibility in linux, how to set up ubuntu with orca and how to install firefox and the latest orca from svn. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 20:15:54 -0000 ------=_Part_3182_24593900.1196885713823 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello all, You'll probably rememter the three audio files I posted about a while ago. I just wanted to say that to make them a bit easier to access, I've put them up on my website. I've really changed my entire focus to one that's only consintrating on linux so I've pulled down my old website and am in the process of rebuilding it. While that is under way, I'll use the main page to increase awareness of these audio files as well as others I'll probably get the time to create in the next month or two. You will find links to the three audio files at www.digitaldarragh.com Remember: these will talk you through: a review of Linux focused on the use of the graphical environment with the assistance of the Orca screen reader. Installing the Ubuntu distribution with screen reader support all the way through the installation. getting the most from your installation by installing the latest versions of firefox 3 and Orca from SVN. (Sub Version.) Please do email me privately if you have any suggestions. Darragh ------=_Part_3182_24593900.1196885713823 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Hello all,
 
You'll probably rememter the three audio files I posted about a while ago. 
I just wanted to say that to make them a bit easier to access, I've put them up on my website.
 
I've really changed my entire focus to one that's only consintrating on linux so I've pulled down my old website and am in the process of rebuilding it.  While that is under way, I'll use the main page to increase awareness of these audio files as well as others I'll probably get the time to create in the next month or two.
 
You will find links to the three audio files at www.digitaldarragh.com
 
Remember: these will talk you through:
a review of Linux focused on the use of the graphical environment with the assistance of the Orca screen reader.
Installing the Ubuntu distribution with screen reader support all the way through the installation.
getting the most from your installation by installing the latest versions of firefox 3 and Orca from SVN. (Sub Version.)
 
Please do email me privately if you have any suggestions.
 
 
Darragh
------=_Part_3182_24593900.1196885713823-- From mwhapples@aim.com Wed Dec 5 20:49:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D81F750108 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 20:49:09 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 8 (1), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [64.12.137.11] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3vfRWj8h5+YE for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 20:49:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imo-m19.mx.aol.com (imo-m19.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.11]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DBD5750091 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 20:48:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mwhapples@aim.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id h.cf2.20d5ec1b (57881) for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:48:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.64] ([87.112.54.76]) by air-ia04.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILINIA43-e21947570e9c10c; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:48:29 -0500 From: Michael Whapples To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 20:50:53 +0000 Message-Id: <1196887853.3483.22.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 87.112.54.76 Subject: [orca-list] RealPlayer, firefox and orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 20:49:09 -0000 Hello, After reading a comment about realplayer supporting ALSA for output on this list (when I had last tried it it didn't and for some reason it didn't work well with aoss and my sound card), I decided to try it now. I have noticed that if you start it normally, it seems to be accessible (I haven't tested it fully, but things like menus, buttons, etc seem to be possible to navigate). When I was in firefox and went to a realaudio stream (.ram file) firefox asked what to open the file with, so I selected realplayer and went to "OK" and realplayer started playing it. The only thing is that realplayer like this seems to be inaccessible (as in orca says "inaccessible" and no actions get spoken, eg. nothing is spoken if I press f10 for the menu). My question is, what is the difference when something is launched by firefox (I think I have seen this with other apps)? Is there any work around to make these accessible? Or do I need to download the file first? From Michael Whapples From William.Walker@Sun.COM Wed Dec 5 21:12:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0C58750146 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 21:12:38 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 9, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.34] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c9XogzXNy4pT for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 21:12:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9DC8750108 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 21:12:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lB5LC3LP011002 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 21:12:03 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JSL00E01GNIQM00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 14:12:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([66.189.39.50]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JSL00BSPHJ6DKC0@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 14:11:30 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:10:22 -0500 From: Willie Walker Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Orca List Message-id: <475713BE.30401@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071009) Subject: [orca-list] Accessible Login Docs X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 21:12:38 -0000 Hey All: Just for future reference: http://www.gnome.org/projects/gdm/docs/2.20/accessibility.html There's also http://live.gnome.org/Orca/AccessibleLogin, which just points to the above. Will From mwhapples@aim.com Wed Dec 5 23:37:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6CA675014F for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 23:37:11 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 8 (1), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [205.188.157.38] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BXloe8sBmjh0 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 23:37:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BF377500DE for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 23:36:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mwhapples@aim.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id h.bfe.28751319 (57879) for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 18:36:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.64] ([87.112.54.76]) by air-ia04.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILINIA41-e217475735fd181; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:36:30 -0500 From: Michael Whapples To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 23:38:54 +0000 Message-Id: <1196897934.3483.39.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 87.112.54.76 Subject: [orca-list] Full screen magnification X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 23:37:12 -0000 Hello, I thought I remembered seeing something related to this online when I was trying to find out something else in the past, so I have just had a quick search. Seems like for ubuntu gutsy, you should be able to specify the position of the magnifier for the full screen, but supposedly this can lead to some problems like the normal cursor showing as well as the enlarged mouse cursor. Anyway this wasn't what I remembered seeing, so I looked further and found it. The page I am going to refer to is at www.gnome.org/learn/access-guide/latest/sysadmin-6.html and whilst not referring to orca specifically (in fact it is referring to gnopernicus) I think the ideas may be valid. In short it seems to say that you should be able to create a dummy video card in the X server, and then be able to set the magnifiers source display to the dummy and the target display to the real video card. I haven't tried it, but I would be unable to see whether it actually worked. Also I guess as this was written for gnopernicus, it shouldn't be limited to newest versions of gnome like the other method I mentioned is. I would be interested to know whether this works as family members may be interested in this. Hope it is useful. From Michael Whapples From jawswizard@ec.rr.com Thu Dec 6 00:09:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E5CD7500AD for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 00:09:52 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.74 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.74 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 10 (1203?) (firewall!) (up: 2335 hrs), (distance 18, link: ethernet/modem), [75.180.132.120] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G6Fa19uwgiYh for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 00:09:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38D907500DF for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 00:09:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from DH0N1F61 ([66.56.201.40]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20071206000917.YTAY19167.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@DH0N1F61>; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 00:09:17 +0000 From: "Jeffrey Shockley" To: Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 19:09:15 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c8379c$3d63b6b0$0402a8c0@DH0N1F61> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Acg3VURwUhoVg3yGQtCEj1aO8sdJsAARtJ8g In-Reply-To: <4756C656.6080208@sun.com> Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Reading help screens with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 00:09:52 -0000 Hi, Thanks for this, it helps a lot. Jeffrey Shockley Check out my blog! The URL is http://jeffreyshockley.livejournal.com "You learn something new every day!" "You can do anything if you put your mind to it!" "It is not what we see that determines who we are. It is how we choose to see it." --Doomed Dragon -----Original Message----- From: William.Walker@Sun.COM [mailto:William.Walker@Sun.COM] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 10:40 AM To: Jeffrey Shockley Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Reading help screens with Orca Hi Jeffrey: Unfortunately, the help application (yelp) is not very accessible at this time. The underlying problem is that we're waiting for yelp to migrate to the new Gecko rendering engine of Firefox 3. Yelp, in turn, is waiting for Firefox 3 to ship. As soon as Firefox 3 ships, the wheels should be in motion for yelp. We're tracking the problem here: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=356041 Hope this helps, Will Jeffrey Shockley wrote: > Hi again, > I am trying to read the various help systems for programs in Ubuntu so I > can learn how to use them. > How can I select the different topics and read them with Orca? Is this > doable? > Thanks! > Jeffrey Shockley > > Check out my blog! > The URL is > http://jeffreyshockley.livejournal.com > > "You learn something new every day!" > "You can do anything if you put your mind to it!" > > "It is not what we see that determines who we are. It is how we choose > to see it." > > --Doomed Dragon > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From mgorse@mgorse.dhs.org Thu Dec 6 00:10:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 311D7750127 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 00:10:42 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [S4:53:1:60:M1460,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N:!:?:?], (link: ethernet/modem), [76.96.30.17] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qpIIlzhT2Vxo for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 00:10:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from QMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.17]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 551107500AD for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 00:10:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from OMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.43]) by QMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id MBm71Y00G0vp7WL0A02M00; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 00:10:09 +0000 Received: from c-65-96-133-105.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([65.96.133.105]) by OMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id MCA71Y00r2Gc3W90800000; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 00:10:09 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=yYoPOpT7Fy0A:10 a=IBOjiVUoAAAA:8 a=f6w2aUSXVWbk_nxoRhYA:9 a=WBhHx4pWVrkW7oV3mc34avoeqJMA:4 a=MInBT2ynV54A:10 Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 19:09:36 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Gorse To: orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <4756F5A4.6080901@sun.com> Message-ID: References: <00b101c815ef$03042730$0300a8c0@depricelaptop> <472207B6.7020806@sun.com> <47220B9A.7090307@sun.com> <00b601c817f3$730b6ec0$0300a8c0@depricelaptop> <4756F5A4.6080901@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [orca-list] Potential conflict between Orca and emacspeak with hardware synth X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 00:10:42 -0000 Will, I put this in my orca-customizations.py: orca.settings.speechFactoryModules = ["gnomespeechfactory", "speechdispatcherfactory"] and now my speak-out doesn't start reading out DEC-talk commands when I enter the preferences dialog. -- Mike Gorse / AIM:linvortex / http://mgorse.freeshell.org -- On Wed, 5 Dec 2007, Willie Walker wrote: > As a test, you might try putting the following lines in your > ~/.orca/user-settings.py file: > > # Settings that apply to the particular speech engine to > # use as well details on the default voices to use. > # > orca.settings.speechFactoryModules = ["gnomespeechfactory"] > > This erases Orca's knowledge of the emacspeak and speechdipatcher modules. > If this stops the probing, then we can be almost sure its one of > "espeechfactory" and/or "speechdispatcherfactory". You can add > those strings to the speechFactoryModules above, separated by commas to test > more. For example: > > orca.settings.speechFactoryModules = ["gnomespeechfactory", "espeechfactory"] > > I'd be interested in what happens, From jawswizard@ec.rr.com Thu Dec 6 00:19:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 389B67500DE for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 00:19:47 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 10 (1203?) (firewall!) (up: 1737 hrs), (distance 17, link: ethernet/modem), [75.180.132.121] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AABoXXTBDLaL for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 00:19:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D11B7500AD for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 00:19:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from DH0N1F61 ([66.56.201.40]) by cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20071206001912.XQUG5837.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@DH0N1F61>; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 00:19:12 +0000 From: "Jeffrey Shockley" To: Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 19:19:10 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01c8379d$a0151af0$0402a8c0@DH0N1F61> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Acg3agT/thR4oC0GS2GW8hFWGnHKrQAM2kKw In-Reply-To: <4756E91C.6090506@sun.com> Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Reading dialog boxes with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 00:19:47 -0000 Hi, I don't have a need to use magnification, because I am blind. I don't use a braille desplay with my computer that often. If possible, could you provide laptop keystrokes for those commands? Thanks for your help! Jeffrey Shockley Check out my blog! The URL is http://jeffreyshockley.livejournal.com "You learn something new every day!" "You can do anything if you put your mind to it!" "It is not what we see that determines who we are. It is how we choose to see it." --Doomed Dragon -----Original Message----- From: William.Walker@Sun.COM [mailto:William.Walker@Sun.COM] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 1:08 PM To: Jeffrey Shockley Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Reading dialog boxes with Orca Hi Jeffrey: Welcome to the Orca list! The normal operating mode of Orca is "focus tracking mode". In focus tracking mode, you interact with any application as any user would using the built-in keyboard navigation mechanisms of GNOME. For example, as you 'Tab' around the interface or interact with objects, such as pressing 'Space' to toggle check boxes or typing text into text areas, Orca will present the information to you via the combinations of speech, braille, and/or magnification that you have specified. That is, you merely interact with applications without needing to know any extra Orca keyboard commands. When you use an application for the first time, or if you just want to get a better idea of what is on the screen, you may often want to explore a window without changing anything inside it. This includes not even tabbing around the interface. As such, "focus tracking mode" may not always be useful and you will need to use other features of Orca, such as "flat review" and "where am I" that are controlled by key bindings specific to Orca. When you press these key bindings, nothing happens in the application. Instead, Orca just presents the information you have requested. To get you started, the keypad keys in the desktop keyboard layout are used to do a lot of the flat review and where am I stuff. Keypad keys 7/8/9 are used for exploring by line, 4/5/6 for exploring by word, and 1/2/3 for exploring by character. Having said all that, Orca currently does not have an automatic "say all" of a dialog window. We're tracking the development of that via this bug: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=354462 Hope this helps, Will Jeffrey Shockley wrote: > Hi, > I'm new to both Orca and this list. > I just started using a Ubuntu live CD yesterday because I wanted to play > with it and see how it works. > I have looked on the Gnome website in the keyboard commands sections for > laptops, since I'm running the live CD on a laptop. > The one command I can not find is one to read dialog boxes. > Does a command exist for doing this? If so could someone please give me > the laptop keyboard command for accomplishing this task? > Thanks! > Jeffrey Shockley > > Check out my blog! > The URL is > http://jeffreyshockley.livejournal.com > > "You learn something new every day!" > "You can do anything if you put your mind to it!" > > "It is not what we see that determines who we are. It is how we choose > to see it." > > --Doomed Dragon > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From William.Walker@Sun.COM Thu Dec 6 01:20:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83BF7750150 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 01:20:52 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 9, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.31] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id otU8uNX57wfm for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 01:20:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com (brmea-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 606B37500DE for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 01:20:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lB61KG8q013118 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 01:20:16 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JSL00301SX49900@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:20:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([66.189.39.50]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JSL00D1TT1RTIE0@mail-amer.sun.com>; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:20:16 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 20:19:10 -0500 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <000a01c8379d$a0151af0$0402a8c0@DH0N1F61> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Jeffrey Shockley Message-id: <47574E0E.5090806@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <000a01c8379d$a0151af0$0402a8c0@DH0N1F61> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071009) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Reading dialog boxes with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 01:20:52 -0000 Sure thing! http://live.gnome.org/Orca/LaptopKeyboardCommands Hope this helps, Will Jeffrey Shockley wrote: > Hi, > I don't have a need to use magnification, because I am blind. > I don't use a braille desplay with my computer that often. > If possible, could you provide laptop keystrokes for those commands? > Thanks for your help! > Jeffrey Shockley > > Check out my blog! > The URL is > http://jeffreyshockley.livejournal.com > "You learn something new every day!" > "You can do anything if you put your mind to it!" > "It is not what we see that determines who we are. It is how we choose to > see it." > > --Doomed Dragon > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: William.Walker@Sun.COM [mailto:William.Walker@Sun.COM] > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 1:08 PM > To: Jeffrey Shockley > Cc: orca-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: [orca-list] Reading dialog boxes with Orca > > > Hi Jeffrey: > > Welcome to the Orca list! > > The normal operating mode of Orca is "focus tracking mode". In focus > tracking mode, you interact with any application as any user would using > the built-in keyboard navigation mechanisms of GNOME. For example, as > you 'Tab' around the interface or interact with objects, such as > pressing 'Space' to toggle check boxes or typing text into text areas, > Orca will present the information to you via the combinations of speech, > braille, and/or magnification that you have specified. That is, you > merely interact with applications without needing to know any extra Orca > keyboard commands. > > When you use an application for the first time, or if you just want to > get a better idea of what is on the screen, you may often want to > explore a window without changing anything inside it. This includes not > even tabbing around the interface. As such, "focus tracking mode" may > not always be useful and you will need to use other features of Orca, > such as "flat review" and "where am I" that are controlled by key > bindings specific to Orca. When you press these key bindings, nothing > happens in the application. Instead, Orca just presents the information > you have requested. > > To get you started, the keypad keys in the desktop keyboard layout are > used to do a lot of the flat review and where am I stuff. Keypad keys > 7/8/9 are used for exploring by line, 4/5/6 for exploring by word, and > 1/2/3 for exploring by character. > > Having said all that, Orca currently does not have an automatic "say > all" of a dialog window. We're tracking the development of that via > this bug: > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=354462 > > Hope this helps, > > Will > > Jeffrey Shockley wrote: >> Hi, >> I'm new to both Orca and this list. >> I just started using a Ubuntu live CD yesterday because I wanted to play >> with it and see how it works. >> I have looked on the Gnome website in the keyboard commands sections for >> laptops, since I'm running the live CD on a laptop. >> The one command I can not find is one to read dialog boxes. >> Does a command exist for doing this? If so could someone please give me >> the laptop keyboard command for accomplishing this task? >> Thanks! >> Jeffrey Shockley >> >> Check out my blog! >> The URL is >> http://jeffreyshockley.livejournal.com >> >> "You learn something new every day!" >> "You can do anything if you put your mind to it!" >> >> "It is not what we see that determines who we are. It is how we choose >> to see it." >> >> --Doomed Dragon >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From rjc@MIT.EDU Thu Dec 6 02:09:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D72F87500CA for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 02:09:58 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.74 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.74 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9 (firewall!), (distance 15, link: ethernet/modem), [18.7.7.80] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IDBfnskWiXsm for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 02:09:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from biscayne-one-station.mit.edu (BISCAYNE-ONE-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.80]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3C12750094 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 02:09:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (OUTGOING-AUTH.MIT.EDU [18.7.22.103]) by biscayne-one-station.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.9.2) with ESMTP id lB629Ilh021313; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 21:09:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from RICHLAPTOP (74-92-8-14-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [74.92.8.14] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as rjc@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.4) with ESMTP id lB629HFs009428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Wed, 5 Dec 2007 21:09:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003801c837ad$00cdb410$6f02a8c0@RICHLAPTOP> From: "Rich Caloggero" To: "Willie Walker" References: <000001c8353d$ce34c0a0$0402a8c0@DH0N1F61> <4756E91C.6090506@sun.com> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 21:09:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.42 Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Reading dialog boxes with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 02:09:59 -0000 Perhaps instead of a "read entire dialog" command, orca could try and be clever. Perhaps it could implement a command that reads the first bit of static text it finds in the window. Maybe a second press would read all of the static text it finds in the window. Not exactly sure how one might identify static text in GTK/Gnome apps. If there is no object type specifically for this, then perhaps there is some sort of conventional pattern that could let orca make an educated guess as to what text to read when the dialog is launched. Just my two cents... -- Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Walker" To: "Jeffrey Shockley" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [orca-list] Reading dialog boxes with Orca > Hi Jeffrey: > > Welcome to the Orca list! > > The normal operating mode of Orca is "focus tracking mode". In focus > tracking mode, you interact with any application as any user would using > the built-in keyboard navigation mechanisms of GNOME. For example, as > you 'Tab' around the interface or interact with objects, such as > pressing 'Space' to toggle check boxes or typing text into text areas, > Orca will present the information to you via the combinations of speech, > braille, and/or magnification that you have specified. That is, you > merely interact with applications without needing to know any extra Orca > keyboard commands. > > When you use an application for the first time, or if you just want to > get a better idea of what is on the screen, you may often want to > explore a window without changing anything inside it. This includes not > even tabbing around the interface. As such, "focus tracking mode" may > not always be useful and you will need to use other features of Orca, > such as "flat review" and "where am I" that are controlled by key > bindings specific to Orca. When you press these key bindings, nothing > happens in the application. Instead, Orca just presents the information > you have requested. > > To get you started, the keypad keys in the desktop keyboard layout are > used to do a lot of the flat review and where am I stuff. Keypad keys > 7/8/9 are used for exploring by line, 4/5/6 for exploring by word, and > 1/2/3 for exploring by character. > > Having said all that, Orca currently does not have an automatic "say > all" of a dialog window. We're tracking the development of that via > this bug: > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=354462 > > Hope this helps, > > Will > > Jeffrey Shockley wrote: >> Hi, >> I'm new to both Orca and this list. >> I just started using a Ubuntu live CD yesterday because I wanted to play >> with it and see how it works. >> I have looked on the Gnome website in the keyboard commands sections for >> laptops, since I'm running the live CD on a laptop. >> The one command I can not find is one to read dialog boxes. >> Does a command exist for doing this? If so could someone please give me >> the laptop keyboard command for accomplishing this task? >> Thanks! >> Jeffrey Shockley >> >> Check out my blog! >> The URL is >> http://jeffreyshockley.livejournal.com >> >> "You learn something new every day!" >> "You can do anything if you put your mind to it!" >> >> "It is not what we see that determines who we are. It is how we choose >> to see it." >> >> --Doomed Dragon >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > From arupc1@gmail.com Thu Dec 6 02:48:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 447E77500CA for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 02:48:30 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.723 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.723 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_NJABL_PROXY=0.721] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 4871 hrs), (distance 12, link: (Google 2)), [209.85.146.176] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VhfSLNz-tcnq for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 02:48:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.176]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A186750094 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 02:47:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j4so128745wah for ; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:47:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.204.7 with SMTP id b7mr951012wag.1196909276833; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:47:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4 ( [59.93.193.241]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v37sm1479878wah.2007.12.05.18.47.52 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:47:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <014d01c837b2$660418b0$0401a8c0@p4> From: "Arup Chakraborty" To: Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 08:17:31 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_014A_01C837E0.72FA08D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: [orca-list] Using Ubantu 7.10 Live CD X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 02:48:30 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_014A_01C837E0.72FA08D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear friends, I am absolutely new to Linux. I need your guidance. I am trying to use the Ubantu 7.10 live CD. I here the music after = booting but the speech does not come up. Please guide how I can activate = Orca. though this is my first mail, but I have been a member of the Orca = mailing list for sometime.. I congratulate all the people who are = putting so much time and effort to develop this screen reader. Arup ------=_NextPart_000_014A_01C837E0.72FA08D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear friends,
 
I  am absolutely new to Linux. I = need your=20 guidance.
 
I am trying to use the Ubantu 7.10 live = CD. I here=20 the music after booting but the speech does not come up. Please guide = how I can=20 activate Orca.
 
though this is my first mail, but I = have been a=20 member of the Orca mailing list for sometime.. I congratulate all the = people who=20 are putting so much time and effort to develop this screen = reader.
 
Arup
------=_NextPart_000_014A_01C837E0.72FA08D0-- From jawswizard@ec.rr.com Thu Dec 6 03:00:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B17C7500DF for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 03:00:13 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.864 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.864 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_50_60=0.134, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 10 (1203?) (firewall!) (up: 2192 hrs), (distance 18, link: ethernet/modem), [75.180.132.120] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id slCDia22TcMy for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 03:00:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B18AB7500EF for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 02:59:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from DH0N1F61 ([66.56.201.40]) by cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20071206025938.ZIMU8432.cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com@DH0N1F61>; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 02:59:38 +0000 From: "Jeffrey Shockley" To: "'Arup Chakraborty'" Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 21:59:37 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01c837b4$0a050040$0402a8c0@DH0N1F61> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C8378A.212EF840" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 In-Reply-To: <014d01c837b2$660418b0$0401a8c0@p4> Importance: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 thread-index: Acg3sn2K88Z/W67iS+mZ1f2ZIruonwAAOvMg Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Using Ubantu 7.10 Live CD X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 03:00:13 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C8378A.212EF840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, To start Orca, once you are sure everything has loaded, once the music = has stopped playing, press alt F2 to open the run application dialog (I = think it's called) and type just as it appears here: orca and then press enter, and then Orca will start. Follow the instructions it gives you. When it asks you to log out, tell = it yes, then press ctrl shift backspace to reload X. There is another way = to do this once you turn on the computer, with the cd in the drive, but it's = kind of tricky to get to work. HTH, Jeffrey Shockley =20 =20 Check out my blog! The URL is http://jeffreyshockley.livejournal.com =20 "You learn something new every day!" "You can do anything if you put your mind to it!" "It is not what we see that determines who we are. It is how we choose = to see it." --Doomed Dragon -----Original Message----- From: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] = On Behalf Of Arup Chakraborty Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 9:48 PM To: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: [orca-list] Using Ubantu 7.10 Live CD Dear friends, =20 I am absolutely new to Linux. I need your guidance. =20 I am trying to use the Ubantu 7.10 live CD. I here the music after = booting but the speech does not come up. Please guide how I can activate Orca. =20 though this is my first mail, but I have been a member of the Orca = mailing list for sometime.. I congratulate all the people who are putting so = much time and effort to develop this screen reader. =20 Arup ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C8378A.212EF840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Hi,
To=20 start Orca, once you are sure everything has loaded, once the music=20 has stopped playing, press alt F2 to open the run application = dialog (I=20 think it's called) and type just as it appears here:
orca
and=20 then press enter, and then Orca will start.
Follow=20 the instructions it gives you. When it asks you to log out, tell it yes, = then=20 press ctrl shift backspace to reload X. There is another way to do this = once you=20 turn on the computer, with the cd in the drive, but it's kind of tricky = to get=20 to work.
HTH,
Jeffrey Shockley
 
 
Check out my = blog!
The URL is
http://jeffreyshockley.l= ivejournal.com
"You learn something new = every=20 day!"
"You can do anything if = you put your=20 mind to it!"

"It is not what we see that determines who we are. It is how we = choose to see=20 it."

--Doomed Dragon

-----Original Message-----
From: = orca-list-bounces@gnome.org=20 [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] On Behalf Of Arup=20 Chakraborty
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 9:48 = PM
To:=20 Orca-list@gnome.org
Subject: [orca-list] Using Ubantu 7.10 = Live=20 CD

Dear friends,
 
I  am absolutely new to Linux. I = need your=20 guidance.
 
I am trying to use the Ubantu 7.10 live = CD. I here=20 the music after booting but the speech does not come up. Please guide = how I can=20 activate Orca.
 
though this is my first mail, but I = have been a=20 member of the Orca mailing list for sometime.. I congratulate all the = people who=20 are putting so much time and effort to develop this screen = reader.
 
Arup
------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C8378A.212EF840-- From lrs@fox.lamasti.net Thu Dec 6 07:46:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B256750095 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 07:46:48 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.259 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.259 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.209, BAYES_40=-0.185, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (up: 2591 hrs), (distance 17, link: ethernet/modem), [195.159.152.100] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PiDu5uMVxY9P for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 07:46:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mailfilter.handytech.no (mail.handytech.no [195.159.152.100]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 937247502B4 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 07:46:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailfilter.handytech.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D2063D31 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 08:46:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from mailfilter.handytech.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailfilter [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17289-08 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 08:46:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from fox.lamasti.net (lamasti.net [217.13.25.216]) by mailfilter.handytech.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6772A3D30 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 08:45:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by fox.lamasti.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8B2C8320 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 08:45:58 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at lamasti.net Received: from fox.lamasti.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (fox.lamasti.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DtPDCOeiWQAi for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 08:45:50 +0100 (CET) Received: by fox.lamasti.net (Postfix, from userid 500) id C16268322; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 08:45:50 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: emacs 22.1.1 (via feedmail 8 I) From: lars.bjorndal@broadpark.no (Lars =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rndal?=) To: orca-list Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 08:45:50 +0100 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110004 (No Gnus v0.4) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at handytech.no Subject: [orca-list] Inaccessable admin dialog X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 07:46:48 -0000 Hi! I tried to access the administration dialog "gdmsetup" with Orca. I only got a message: "Dialog not accessable" (taken from memory). I'm using Fedora 8 with all updates installed. What could be the problem? My system is not a fresh install, I've upgraded several times with yum (from fc6 to f7 to f8). So I could have missed som packages. Which, do you think, if that's the problem? Thanks! Lars From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Thu Dec 6 10:08:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DDFE750077 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 10:08:52 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.174] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BUJvPDhLLnvD for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 10:08:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.174]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B503E7500D3 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 10:08:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.178.24] (p57A58F9B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.165.143.155]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKxQS-1J0DeT2gFW-0001kl; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 11:08:18 +0100 From: Hermann To: orca-list Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 11:08:29 +0100 Message-Id: <1196935709.5850.9.camel@notebook> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/6yJlX2pbIwTLFoUl2hwhwa0xIhzMvhwk/MeT Ba5gxB6vHD7tGkj7TqGRvIZaWhO7RcodbLZoVK4aLqVKI3VGYF QisK87epAfDT6pEZsXsOw== Subject: [orca-list] SD chrash still persists X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:08:52 -0000 Hi, a few minutes ago, the crash occured again. Disabling "update user folders" in the session dialog doesn't do the job. Updatedb is invoked by Anacron. Since I've no experience with handling cron jobs, can someone point me the right diredction what to do? Shall i disable that special cron job, or shall I disable chron/anacron completeley? Maybe the first solution is better, because cron could be useful sometimes? Hermann From William.Walker@Sun.COM Thu Dec 6 13:49:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25983750131 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:49:56 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 9, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.34] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HO2108Z0DGuz for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:49:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 005EF750077 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:49:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lB6DnKG5004427 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:49:20 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JSM00701RP69500@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 06:49:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([66.189.39.50]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JSM00JA7RQ2IOC0@mail-amer.sun.com>; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 06:49:15 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 08:48:09 -0500 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <003801c837ad$00cdb410$6f02a8c0@RICHLAPTOP> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Rich Caloggero Message-id: <4757FD99.2070503@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <000001c8353d$ce34c0a0$0402a8c0@DH0N1F61> <4756E91C.6090506@sun.com> <003801c837ad$00cdb410$6f02a8c0@RICHLAPTOP> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071009) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Reading dialog boxes with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 13:49:56 -0000 The reading of static text sounds like an interesting idea as well. I wonder if we could make this a new keybinding that is related to the SayAll command. For example, maybe a double press of SayAll would obtain just the static text and read it? Will PS - We currently just call unrelated labels static text. It works OK for the most part, but can fall down sometimes when the the application doesn't relate labels to the things they are labelling. Rich Caloggero wrote: > Perhaps instead of a "read entire dialog" command, orca could try and be > clever. Perhaps it could implement a command that reads the first bit of > static text it finds in the window. Maybe a second press would read all > of the static text it finds in the window. > > Not exactly sure how one might identify static text in GTK/Gnome apps. > If there is no object type specifically for this, then perhaps there is > some sort of conventional pattern that could let orca make an educated > guess as to what text to read when the dialog is launched. > > Just my two cents... > -- Rich > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Walker" > To: "Jeffrey Shockley" > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 1:08 PM > Subject: Re: [orca-list] Reading dialog boxes with Orca > > >> Hi Jeffrey: >> >> Welcome to the Orca list! >> >> The normal operating mode of Orca is "focus tracking mode". In focus >> tracking mode, you interact with any application as any user would using >> the built-in keyboard navigation mechanisms of GNOME. For example, as >> you 'Tab' around the interface or interact with objects, such as >> pressing 'Space' to toggle check boxes or typing text into text areas, >> Orca will present the information to you via the combinations of speech, >> braille, and/or magnification that you have specified. That is, you >> merely interact with applications without needing to know any extra Orca >> keyboard commands. >> >> When you use an application for the first time, or if you just want to >> get a better idea of what is on the screen, you may often want to >> explore a window without changing anything inside it. This includes not >> even tabbing around the interface. As such, "focus tracking mode" may >> not always be useful and you will need to use other features of Orca, >> such as "flat review" and "where am I" that are controlled by key >> bindings specific to Orca. When you press these key bindings, nothing >> happens in the application. Instead, Orca just presents the information >> you have requested. >> >> To get you started, the keypad keys in the desktop keyboard layout are >> used to do a lot of the flat review and where am I stuff. Keypad keys >> 7/8/9 are used for exploring by line, 4/5/6 for exploring by word, and >> 1/2/3 for exploring by character. >> >> Having said all that, Orca currently does not have an automatic "say >> all" of a dialog window. We're tracking the development of that via >> this bug: >> >> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=354462 >> >> Hope this helps, >> >> Will >> >> Jeffrey Shockley wrote: >>> Hi, >>> I'm new to both Orca and this list. >>> I just started using a Ubuntu live CD yesterday because I wanted to play >>> with it and see how it works. >>> I have looked on the Gnome website in the keyboard commands sections for >>> laptops, since I'm running the live CD on a laptop. >>> The one command I can not find is one to read dialog boxes. >>> Does a command exist for doing this? If so could someone please give me >>> the laptop keyboard command for accomplishing this task? >>> Thanks! >>> Jeffrey Shockley >>> >>> Check out my blog! >>> The URL is >>> http://jeffreyshockley.livejournal.com >>> >>> "You learn something new every day!" >>> "You can do anything if you put your mind to it!" >>> >>> "It is not what we see that determines who we are. It is how we choose >>> to see it." >>> >>> --Doomed Dragon >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Orca-list mailing list >>> Orca-list@gnome.org >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca >> > From William.Walker@Sun.COM Thu Dec 6 13:51:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D6F27502BE for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:51:15 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 9, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.36] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wPwv5mwRopVK for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:51:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04921750265 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:50:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lB6Dof4b026767 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:50:41 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JSM00701RP69500@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 06:50:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([66.189.39.50]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JSM00JSWRSBIOC0@mail-amer.sun.com>; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 06:50:35 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 08:49:30 -0500 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Mike Gorse Message-id: <4757FDEA.2010508@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <00b101c815ef$03042730$0300a8c0@depricelaptop> <472207B6.7020806@sun.com> <47220B9A.7090307@sun.com> <00b601c817f3$730b6ec0$0300a8c0@depricelaptop> <4756F5A4.6080901@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071009) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Potential conflict between Orca and emacspeak with hardware synth X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 13:51:15 -0000 Mike Gorse wrote: > I put this in my orca-customizations.py: > > orca.settings.speechFactoryModules = ["gnomespeechfactory", "speechdispatcherfactory"] > > and now my speak-out doesn't start reading out DEC-talk commands when I > enter the preferences dialog. So that's a good thing, right? :-) If so, it seems as though emacspeak might be the thing probing the ports. Will From William.Walker@Sun.COM Thu Dec 6 13:54:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 357D67500E9 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:54:55 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 9, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.34] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yMP8w0kfbtId for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:54:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1DB2750090 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:54:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lB6DsLDc006229 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:54:21 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JSM00C01RXYXQ00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 06:54:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([66.189.39.50]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JSM00J2MRYIIOE0@mail-amer.sun.com>; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 06:54:18 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 08:53:13 -0500 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <1196887853.3483.22.camel@localhost> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Michael Whapples Message-id: <4757FEC9.1040800@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <1196887853.3483.22.camel@localhost> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071009) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] RealPlayer, firefox and orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 13:54:55 -0000 > My question is, what is the difference when something is launched by > firefox (I think I have seen this with other apps)? Is there any work > around to make these accessible? Or do I need to download the file > first? Very strange. I'm not sure. It might be that applications launched via Firefox are given a different environment. One way to experiment with this is to just move the realplayer app to something else (e.g., /usr/bin/real_realplay) and then create a simple /usr/bin/realplay script that does something like the following: #!/bin/bash env > /tmp/foo real_realplay Then, run realplay the normal way and save /tmp/foo away to a safe spot. Then, launch realplay from Firefox and compare the resulting /tmp/foo to the one you saved. Will From William.Walker@Sun.COM Thu Dec 6 13:57:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C57F750261 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:57:52 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 9, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.34] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tYOlRmXahkcK for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:57:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6841C7500FB for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:57:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lB6DvG8c007314 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:57:16 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JSM00C01RXYXQ00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 06:57:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([66.189.39.50]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JSM00J8KS3DIOF0@mail-amer.sun.com>; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 06:57:14 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 08:56:08 -0500 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <8fd471eb0712051215y76fb6e76w7a6d74c4065e33b1@mail.gmail.com> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Darragh_=D3_H=E9iligh?= Message-id: <4757FF78.4030809@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: <8fd471eb0712051215y76fb6e76w7a6d74c4065e33b1@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071009) Cc: "orca-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: [orca-list] review of accessibility in linux, how to set up ubuntu with orca and how to install firefox and the latest orca from svn. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 13:57:52 -0000 Darragh: Thank you so much for your work here! What do you think about putting a link to your site from the Orca WIKI? For example, at the top of the following pages: http://live.gnome.org/Orca/DownloadInstall http://live.gnome.org/Orca/ConfigurationUse Thanks again for your hard work! Will Darragh Hiligh wrote: > Hello all, > > You'll probably rememter the three audio files I posted about a while ago. > I just wanted to say that to make them a bit easier to access, I've put > them up on my website. > > I've really changed my entire focus to one that's only consintrating on > linux so I've pulled down my old website and am in the process of > rebuilding it. While that is under way, I'll use the main page to > increase awareness of these audio files as well as others I'll probably > get the time to create in the next month or two. > > You will find links to the three audio files at www.digitaldarragh.com > > > Remember: these will talk you through: > a review of Linux focused on the use of the graphical environment with > the assistance of the Orca screen reader. > Installing the Ubuntu distribution with screen reader support all the > way through the installation. > getting the most from your installation by installing the latest > versions of firefox 3 and Orca from SVN. (Sub Version.) > > Please do email me privately if you have any suggestions. > > > Darragh > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From scott@bashautomation.com Thu Dec 6 14:08:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23FD87501E0 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:08:12 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 10 (1203?) (firewall!) (up: 2349 hrs), (distance 17, link: ethernet/modem), [71.74.56.122] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XL-8iaf0ED3Q for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:08:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A195750260 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:07:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (really [68.200.3.196]) by hrndva-omta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20071206140735.WFBR2457.hrndva-omta01.mail.rr.com@[192.168.0.101]> for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:07:35 +0000 Message-ID: <47580226.5050208@bashautomation.com> Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 09:07:34 -0500 From: Scott Haeger User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070924) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Inaccessable admin dialog X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 14:08:12 -0000 Lars Bjørndal wrote: > Hi! > > I tried to access the administration dialog "gdmsetup" with Orca. I > only got a message: "Dialog not accessable" (taken from memory). I'm > using Fedora 8 with all updates installed. What could be the problem? > > My system is not a fresh install, I've upgraded several times with yum > (from fc6 to f7 to f8). So I could have missed som packages. Which, do > you think, if that's the problem? > > Thanks! > > Lars > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > Hey Lars! On Ubuntu I need to be root (sudo) for gdmsetup. Applications run as a different user are not registered and are thus inaccessible. Check out http://live.gnome.org/Orca/SysAdmin for more info. Scott From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Thu Dec 6 14:20:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9465C75030A for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:20:30 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.522 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_GD=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.183] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C9GW94LKKAq6 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:20:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0A56750257 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:19:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from grml (p57A58F9B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.165.143.155]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKxQS-1J0HZy0aHP-0001YU; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 15:19:54 +0100 Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:19:57 +0100 From: Hermann To: Scott Haeger Message-ID: <20071206141956.GA5140@grml> References: <47580226.5050208@bashautomation.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <47580226.5050208@bashautomation.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18OZdKxrMMkgJmf9Vi/SqcCg4ZrWCxH2vCuHr/ YcXz+dt2RyeC7ynZhWXTYOf1pvEKshePvN6PLScgyzZSwn1Vk9 srJZEWNpHtZR28AqH3QfA== Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Inaccessable admin dialog X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 14:20:30 -0000 I think you need an additional file named .orbitrc placed in your root home directory. BTW.: When I start gdmsetup from the Gnome terminal, I get a lot of script messages before the app starts, and after start, it freezes on the "general" tab. I have to move several times between the opened windows by pressing Alt+Tab, before the screen gets refreshed, so that I can adjust the settings. Note: This happens only in gdmsetup, all other services that need root privileges work fine. Hermann -- I use grml (http://grml.org/) From jheim@math.wisc.edu Thu Dec 6 14:41:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2A797500CC for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:41:06 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.108 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.108 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, TW_GD=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (up: 5226 hrs), (distance 22, link: ethernet/modem), [144.92.166.194] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c67ojM-RmXeZ for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:40:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mta1.math.wisc.edu (mta1.math.wisc.edu [144.92.166.194]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F29E175016D for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:40:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ulam.math.wisc.edu (ulam.math.wisc.edu [144.92.166.245]) by mta1.math.wisc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B69174877 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 08:40:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from vv507j (vv507j.math.wisc.edu [144.92.166.75]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ulam.math.wisc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5817A2BD96 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 08:40:27 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00e801c83815$f14c5780$4ba65c90@vv507j> From: "John Heim" To: References: <000701c836f4$3dcdb270$0501a8c0@hornung> <20071205160026.GA3788@hittsjunk.net> <005d01c837a7$746d10b0$0501a8c0@hornung> <20071206053817.GA3561@hittsjunk.net> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 08:40:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessible Login X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 14:41:06 -0000 I'm not clear on what orbit has to do with this. I put myself in the sudoers file. I can run gdmsetup by saying 'sudo gdmsetup'. But it doesn't talk. Are you saying I need to use orbit for that? Maybe you could post your /root/.orbitrc file. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenny Hitt" To: "John Heim" Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessible Login > Hi. > > I have a .orbitrc file in /root so I can get access to admin commands > started as me. > I start gdmsetup by typing: su -c 'gdmsetup' in a gnome-terminal. Suedo > gdmsetup should also work. > > The only thing here with eyes is my cat. Cats make very bad screen > readers. > > Kenny > > On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 07:29:32PM -0600, John Heim wrote: >> I'm not getting speech when I run gdmsetup and according to the docs, >> orca >> doesn't work with gdmsetup. Did you get it to work somehow or did you get >> sighted assistance? >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenny Hitt" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 10:00 AM >> Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessible Login >> >> >>> Hi. >>> >>> Instead of editing files, I ran gdmsetup from a gnome-terminal. Once I >>> enabled accessibile login, the needed lines were written to >>> /etc/gdm.conf. >>> I can start ORca at login with control-s. For some reason, it has to be >>> right control the left control with s doesn't work. >>> Orca does start and I get speech and Braille. Unfortunately, ORca >>> doesn't >>> read anything. >>> >>> I'm running The latest Debian Sid. Gdm 2.20.1. >>> >>> Kenny >>> On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 10:06:41PM -0600, John Heim wrote: >>>> I'm trying to configure gdm on a debian/lenny so that I can start orca >>>> at >>>> the login prompt. I am working from the instructions here: >>>> http://www.gnome.org/projects/gdm/docs/2.18/accessibility.html >>>> >>>> >>>> I added 2 lines to the [daemon] section of /etc/gdm/gdm.conf: >>>> AddGtkModules=true >>>> GtkModulesList=gail:atk-bridge:dwellmouselistener:keymouselistener >>>> >>>> The instructions say to uncomment thoselines from your gdm.conf but >>>> there >>>> weren't in there to uncomment. Anyway, then it says to modify >>>> /etc/gdm/modules/AccessKeyMouseEvents. But it appears that it's already >>>> configured to start orca by pressing s. Or you can start orca >>>> with >>>> magnification via pressing m. >>>> >>>> But it doesn't work. Anybody have any idea why? >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Orca-list mailing list >>>> Orca-list@gnome.org >>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Orca-list mailing list >>> Orca-list@gnome.org >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca >>> >>> >> > > From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Thu Dec 6 14:58:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B31E0750077 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:58:01 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.179] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sazpTHeaWAwC for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:57:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.179]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 001697500E2 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:57:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from grml (p57A58F9B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.165.143.155]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKxQS-1J0IAG24xV-0001iq; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 15:57:25 +0100 Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:57:27 +0100 From: Hermann To: John Heim Message-ID: <20071206145727.GA5364@grml> References: <000701c836f4$3dcdb270$0501a8c0@hornung> <20071205160026.GA3788@hittsjunk.net> <005d01c837a7$746d10b0$0501a8c0@hornung> <20071206053817.GA3561@hittsjunk.net> <00e801c83815$f14c5780$4ba65c90@vv507j> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="bp/iNruPH9dso1Pn" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <00e801c83815$f14c5780$4ba65c90@vv507j> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+dlQ710KXKhbt6XtDDa8ieNJcfVCRNJEOVekj TKJSpicOW4Hd183JOPJl0sOJ9Zq+An4juNrvd1t3xztkue3qXu jdvplyeHKDPVa5dbvbDEQ== Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessible Login X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 14:58:01 -0000 --bp/iNruPH9dso1Pn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline See the attachment. Note: I use Gutsy. Hermann -- I use grml (http://grml.org/) --bp/iNruPH9dso1Pn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=".orbitrc" ORBIIOPIPv4=1 ORBIIOPUNIX=0 --bp/iNruPH9dso1Pn-- From jheim@math.wisc.edu Thu Dec 6 15:12:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0168750263 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:12:28 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.663 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.663 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74, TW_GD=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (up: 5231 hrs), (distance 22, link: ethernet/modem), [144.92.166.194] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NB2NULVcqzo3 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:12:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mta1.math.wisc.edu (mta1.math.wisc.edu [144.92.166.194]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88183750160 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:11:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ulam.math.wisc.edu (ulam.math.wisc.edu [144.92.166.245]) by mta1.math.wisc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10BAC74437 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 09:11:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from vv507j (vv507j.math.wisc.edu [144.92.166.75]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ulam.math.wisc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C45F2BD96 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 09:11:52 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00ed01c8381a$54a82530$4ba65c90@vv507j> From: "John Heim" To: References: <475713BE.30401@sun.com> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 09:11:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessible Login Docs X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 15:12:29 -0000 There have been a couple of posts on this list in the past week from people (one of them me) who tried following the instructions on that page with little success. I think a big part of the problem is that that document was written from a point of view that assumes a lot of prior knowledge. For example, "Accessibility is enabled by specifying the "GTK+ Greeter" in the "Local" tab for the console display and specifying the "GTK+ Greeter" in the "Remote" tab for remote displays. Or you can modify the Greeter and RemoteGreeter configuration options by hand to be /usr/lib/gdmlogin. " On behalf of all new users of gnome/orca, may i just say, "Huh?" I think that means you should run gdmsetup and select those options. Or you can edit /etc/gdm.conf and configure it by hand. But it doesn't say that. This is not exactly intended as a criticism of the documentation. I am actually just trying to explain why I think people (including me) are having problems in spite of reading the docs. I make my living setting up systems. Stuff like dhcp, dns, samba, lprng, apache, etc. I'm no stranger to the term RTFM. But I think a lot of people are coming to orca with absolutely know knowledge of gnome or gdm. I know that's where I'm at. PS: Orca is really awesome. I've only had orca working since Monday and I took one evening off to shovel snow. So I've been playing with it for only 2 evenings and i was able to get real work done already. I have a long way to go. I have to configure email and figure out web browsing. But I was able to use gedit to fix a config file and a terminal window to restart the service. I tried learning to use a Mac last year and never got that proficient. > > Just for future reference: > > http://www.gnome.org/projects/gdm/docs/2.20/accessibility.html > > There's also http://live.gnome.org/Orca/AccessibleLogin, which just > points to the above. > > Will > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > > From Mike.Wigle@cincyblind.org Thu Dec 6 15:18:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D12B750160 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:18:44 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.101 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-2.014, BAYES_50=0.001, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, L_P0F_W=1.7, TW_VM=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Windows 2000 SP4, XP SP1+, (distance 17, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [69.20.31.169] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iMO70RRNLdoK for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:18:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from server100.appriver.com (server100a.appriver.com [69.20.31.169]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D81E750171 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:18:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: by server100.appriver.com (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 5.1.13) with PIPE id 103327976; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:11:54 -0500 Received: from [216.196.239.210] (HELO CABEXCH1.CINCYBLIND.LOCAL) by server100.appriver.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.13) with ESMTP id 103326467; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:09:56 -0500 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 10:09:56 -0500 Message-ID: <73DF67846C241C478E4B2A627B5EFC37A5F708@CABEXCH1.CINCYBLIND.LOCAL> In-Reply-To: <1196874036.4461.57.camel@desktop.bryen.info> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [orca-list] Question about Magnifier Zoomer settings Thread-Index: Acg4Gg+hu1StXvcbSA+lmbskx2Irpg== References: <1196302149.32412.24.camel@desktop.bryen.info><4756D1D3.8020800@sun.com><73DF67846C241C478E4B2A627B5EFC37A5F6E7@CABEXCH1.CINCYBLIND.LOCAL> <1196874036.4461.57.camel@desktop.bryen.info> From: "Mike Wigle" To: , X-Policy: GLOBAL X-Policy: GLOBAL X-Primary: Mike.Wigle@cincyblind.org X-Note: This Email was scanned by AppRiver SecureTide X-GBUdb-Analysis: 0, 216.196.239.210, Ugly c=0.749923 p=-0.937802 Source Normal X-Signature-Violations: 0-0-0-4408-c X-Warn: ISRUSSIAN This email has a russian charset. X-Note: Spam Tests Failed: ISRUSSIAN X-Country-Path: UNITED STATES->UNITED STATES X-Note-Sending-IP: 216.196.239.210 X-Note-Reverse-DNS: 210.239.196.216.DED-DSL.fuse.net X-Note-WHTLIST: Mike.Wigle@cincyblind.org X-Note: User Rule Hits: X-Note: Global Rule Hits: 75 76 107 122 X-Note: Mail Class: VALID Subject: Re: [orca-list] Question about Magnifier Zoomer settings X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 15:18:44 -0000 Hmm... Yeah, I guess deep down I was hoping for something more like what = is available on Windows. I didn't fully understand how the magnification = was being done in Gnome. Oh well, I can wait. Sadly I don't have the = coding ability to help with it so I'll just be glad for what there is. = Thanks. Michael -----Original Message----- From: Bryen [mailto:suseROCKS@bryen.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 12:01 PM To: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Question about Magnifier Zoomer settings On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 11:44 -0500, Mike Wigle wrote: > I was curious, will it ever be possible to get full screen = magnification out of gnome-mag? >=20 > Michael Wigle I think it is POSSIBLE to do that with the settings. However, from what I can tell, if you use gnome-mag as the full screen magnifier, then you can't really work within the magnifier since the magnifier is a separate window from your workspace and your mouse/keyboard functions occur outside the magnifier. I've been able to achieve full screen magnification with the vmg app I mentioned in an earlier thread. But the drawback on that app is that it won't allow for typing/clicking at all. I've been thinking of trying another attempt when I finish upgrading my hardware on another computer in which I would connect two monitors and use the second monitor as a magnifier. That's kind of an ugly situation, but in theory it should work. >=20 > ---Bryen--- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.15/1174 - Release Date: = 12/6/2007 10:11 AM =20 From deprice@cs.utah.edu Thu Dec 6 15:24:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00F23750530 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:24:17 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (NAT!) (up: 7895 hrs), (distance 13, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [155.98.64.241] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I6ucSVVRXxII for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:24:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-svr1.cs.utah.edu (rio.cs.utah.edu [155.98.64.241]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 988C8750589 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:23:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail-svr1.cs.utah.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B73C26500B1; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 08:23:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail-svr1.cs.utah.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail-svr1.cs.utah.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18513-10; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 08:23:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from depricelaptop (unknown [205.208.238.41]) by smtps.cs.utah.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D22E650094; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 08:23:13 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <00cf01c8381b$e19eeae0$0200a8c0@depricelaptop> From: "David E. Price" To: "Guy Schlosser" References: <20071205050519.A7DFE0A3@pop15.mta.everyone.net> <4756C514.1070004@sun.com> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 08:22:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cs.utah.edu Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] openoffice word processor and Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: "David E. Price" List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 15:24:18 -0000 From: "Willie Walker" Subject: Re: [orca-list] openoffice word processor and Orca > I'm curious about the automatic speaking of cursor position when you > press the tab key, though. What do other users think? If I am ever forced back into using "Office documents" I would like to have the cursor position announced whenever I hit the tab key. The reason for this is that, as I remember it, the user can change tab environments without any notification. For example, two tabs can produce an inch of indentation in one part of the document and 2.5 inches in another part of the document. Therefore, in any WYSIWYG application, I believe Orca needs to provide exact information on any offset used for formatting. dave From traynor.pj@gmail.com Thu Dec 6 15:42:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAFCC7504C0 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:42:01 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 3224 hrs), (distance 16, link: (Google 2)), [66.249.92.169] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DBUakTSAt+mN for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:41:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A45B750393 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:41:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id c2so856231ugf for ; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 07:41:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.15.17 with SMTP id s17mr1626267ugi.1196955686611; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 07:41:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from traynor1 ( [83.71.10.245]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o30sm2049675ugd.2007.12.06.07.41.25 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 06 Dec 2007 07:41:25 -0800 (PST) From: "Mailing Lists" To: Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:41:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acg4HnHFNaBbPpj1T1em+Zh9r9aHJw== Content-Language: en-ie x-cr-hashedpuzzle: CW/d CuYo EIqj Ettj ExQq E9QZ Fhtc Fq5e FukP F/mj GNDx GOhi Gk+f Iaku I4ND JRAp; 1; bwByAGMAYQAtAGwAaQBzAHQAQABnAG4AbwBtAGUALgBvAHIAZwA=; Sosha1_v1; 7; {D080E845-16CA-460B-AAB0-001BFFDA0D61}; dAByAGEAeQBuAG8AcgAuAHAAagBAAGcAbQBhAGkAbAAuAGMAbwBtAA==; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 15:41:19 GMT; VwBoAGUAcgBlACAAYwBhAG4AIABJACAAZwBlAHQAIABVAGIAdQBuAHQAdQAgADcALgA0AD8A x-cr-puzzleid: {D080E845-16CA-460B-AAB0-001BFFDA0D61} Message-ID: <47581825.1e8d420a.3e5e.01ef@mx.google.com> Subject: [orca-list] Where can I get Ubuntu 7.4? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 15:42:02 -0000 Hi All, Today I went to some ubuntu sites which I had stored in my favorites folder but they are pointing me to a version 8 of Ubuntu, where can I get the most recent version of Ubuntu 7. Many thanks, Paul. -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 2759 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len From suseROCKS@bryen.com Thu Dec 6 15:47:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AAD27500E2 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:47:48 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 4966 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [208.100.11.27] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yULrybqB6swN for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:47:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from tesla.server5vh.com (tesla.server5vh.com [208.100.11.27]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D0F27501E2 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:47:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from c-24-12-98-76.hsd1.il.comcast.net ([24.12.98.76]:28003 helo=[10.1.10.10]) by tesla.server5vh.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J0Iwi-0002cH-MM for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 09:47:28 -0600 From: Bryen To: orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <47581825.1e8d420a.3e5e.01ef@mx.google.com> References: <47581825.1e8d420a.3e5e.01ef@mx.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 09:47:05 -0600 Message-Id: <1196956025.2541.23.camel@desktop.bryen.info> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - tesla.server5vh.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - bryen.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [orca-list] Where can I get Ubuntu 7.4? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: suseROCKS@bryen.com List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 15:47:48 -0000 The latest uubuntu is 7.10 and it can be found here for download: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu On Thu, 2007-12-06 at 15:41 +0000, Mailing Lists wrote: > Hi All, > > Today I went to some ubuntu sites which I had stored in my favorites folder > but they are pointing me to a version 8 of Ubuntu, where can I get the most > recent version of Ubuntu 7. > > Many thanks, > > Paul. > > -- ---Bryen--- From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Thu Dec 6 15:50:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3EB5750139 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:50:36 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.186] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M3mwg+SMmoyr for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:50:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4923C7500E2 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:50:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from grml (p57A58F9B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.165.143.155]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKwh2-1J0Iz641BI-0007Oh; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:49:59 +0100 Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:50:00 +0100 From: Hermann To: Mailing Lists Message-ID: <20071206155000.GA5560@grml> References: <47581825.1e8d420a.3e5e.01ef@mx.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <47581825.1e8d420a.3e5e.01ef@mx.google.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/+QioYWPRMtV8uhd1Y/GkaHrUaeNLbEHduQV/ S8iDcRwqf0s48A9XWjuK2VuJNQCMRQDsf1Mc4E6NO/E1d5JMpz O879T6J8czcaGRaivx3Mg== Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Where can I get Ubuntu 7.4? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 15:50:37 -0000 Visit: http://releases.ubuntu.com The latest is 7.10 or Gutsy. Version 8.04 or Hardy is in an early stage of developement, so I wouldn't recommend it. Hermann -- I use grml (http://grml.org/) From janina@opera.rednote.net Thu Dec 6 15:54:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A2F27501E2 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:54:26 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.74 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.74 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 2906 hrs), (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [74.53.93.34] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xvKzu9JzBt+e for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:54:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from opera.rednote.net (opera.rednote.net [74.53.93.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BEE7750150 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:53:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from opera.rednote.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by opera.rednote.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB6Frs5j002463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:53:54 GMT Received: (from janina@localhost) by opera.rednote.net (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id lB6FrsNV002462 for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 10:53:54 -0500 Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 10:53:54 -0500 From: Janina Sajka To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20071206155354.GK14302@rednote.net> References: <000001c8353d$ce34c0a0$0402a8c0@DH0N1F61> <4756E91C.6090506@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4756E91C.6090506@sun.com> X-Operating-System: Linux opera.rednote.net 2.6.21-1.3228.fc7spk Organization: Capital Accessibility LLC (http://www.CapitalAccessibility.com) X-PGP-Key: http://www.CapitalAccessibility.com/JaninaSajka_gpg_key.html User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.91.2/5020/Thu Dec 6 06:21:18 2007 on opera.rednote.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [orca-list] Reading dialog boxes with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 15:54:26 -0000 Willie Walker writes: > the keypad keys in the desktop keyboard layout are > used to do a lot of the flat review and where am I stuff. Keypad keys > 7/8/9 are used for exploring by line, 4/5/6 for exploring by word, and > 1/2/3 for exploring by character. In the case where 1-2-3 take one over some widget, it seems the object label is voiced. This would ordinarily be one or more words. I have found I sometimes cannot understand the word. Is there something I haven't learned yet, or a plan to allow spelling of that label? Is this an RFE? Janina From William.Walker@Sun.COM Thu Dec 6 16:04:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CD967500B6 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:04:29 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 9, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.31] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id moIYiptic9sV for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:04:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com (brmea-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89A1875011C for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:03:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lB6G3spe011228 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:03:54 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JSM00A01WF6NC00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 09:03:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([66.189.39.50]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JSM00BMIXY5RJB0@mail-amer.sun.com>; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 09:03:42 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 11:02:36 -0500 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <20071206155354.GK14302@rednote.net> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Janina Sajka Message-id: <47581D1C.7020304@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <000001c8353d$ce34c0a0$0402a8c0@DH0N1F61> <4756E91C.6090506@sun.com> <20071206155354.GK14302@rednote.net> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071009) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Reading dialog boxes with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:04:29 -0000 Hi Janina: A double press should spell the word and a triple press should give you the military spelling. BTW, I hope it's 4/5/6 doing the word thing and not 1/2/3. 1/2/3 are for character exploration. Hope this helps! Will Janina Sajka wrote: > Willie Walker writes: >> the keypad keys in the desktop keyboard layout are >> used to do a lot of the flat review and where am I stuff. Keypad keys >> 7/8/9 are used for exploring by line, 4/5/6 for exploring by word, and >> 1/2/3 for exploring by character. > > In the case where 1-2-3 take one over some widget, it seems the object > label is voiced. This would ordinarily be one or more words. I have > found I sometimes cannot understand the word. Is there something I > haven't learned yet, or a plan to allow spelling of that label? Is this > an RFE? > > Janina > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From scott@bashautomation.com Thu Dec 6 16:24:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ED3D75013B for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:24:25 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.522 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, TW_GD=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 10 (1203?) (firewall!) (up: 2352 hrs), (distance 17, link: ethernet/modem), [71.74.56.122] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ptKMM05VbXkn for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:24:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24E367500FB for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:23:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (really [68.200.3.196]) by hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20071206162352.KDUN16876.hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com@[192.168.0.101]> for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:23:52 +0000 Message-ID: <47582218.2010809@bashautomation.com> Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 11:23:52 -0500 From: Scott Haeger User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070924) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <47580226.5050208@bashautomation.com> <20071206141956.GA5140@grml> In-Reply-To: <20071206141956.GA5140@grml> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Inaccessable admin dialog X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:24:25 -0000 Hermann wrote: > I think you need an additional file named .orbitrc placed in your root home > directory. > BTW.: When I start gdmsetup from the Gnome terminal, I get a lot of > script messages before the app starts, and after start, it freezes on > the "general" tab. I have to move several times between the opened > windows by pressing Alt+Tab, before the screen gets refreshed, so that I > can adjust the settings. > Note: This happens only in gdmsetup, all other services that need root > privileges work fine. > Hermann > > Hermann, gedit is not accessible when run as root. Will this also be covered by .orbitrc? Scott From deprice@cs.utah.edu Thu Dec 6 16:58:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01135750107 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:58:34 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (NAT!) (up: 7911 hrs), (distance 13, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [155.98.64.241] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id clq1JYn01pGV for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:58:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-svr1.cs.utah.edu (rio.cs.utah.edu [155.98.64.241]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F8387500CF for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:58:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail-svr1.cs.utah.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD9176500AC; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 09:58:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail-svr1.cs.utah.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail-svr1.cs.utah.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08811-04; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 09:58:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.0.4] (unknown [205.208.238.41]) by smtps.cs.utah.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95AEA65009C; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 09:58:00 -0700 (MST) From: "David E. Price" To: Willie Walker In-Reply-To: <4757FDEA.2010508@sun.com> References: <00b101c815ef$03042730$0300a8c0@depricelaptop> <472207B6.7020806@sun.com> <47220B9A.7090307@sun.com> <00b601c817f3$730b6ec0$0300a8c0@depricelaptop> <4756F5A4.6080901@sun.com> <4757FDEA.2010508@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 09:59:36 -0700 Message-Id: <1196960376.28387.7.camel@plymouth> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cs.utah.edu Cc: deprice@cs.utah.edu, orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Potential conflict between Orca and emacspeak with hardware synth X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: deprice@cs.utah.edu List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:58:34 -0000 On Thu, 2007-12-06 at 08:49 -0500, Willie Walker wrote: > Mike Gorse wrote: > > I put this in my orca-customizations.py: > > > > orca.settings.speechFactoryModules = ["gnomespeechfactory", "speechdispatcherfactory"] > > > > and now my speak-out doesn't start reading out DEC-talk commands when I > > enter the preferences dialog. > > So that's a good thing, right? :-) If so, it seems as though emacspeak > might be the thing probing the ports. I made your suggested change to the user-settings.py file, and the reset strings are no longer sent to my DECTalk Express when I start Orca Properties. Unfortunately, this did not solve the problem that originated this thread. If I start emacspeak and then try to switch to another application with Orca running, everything freezes. I either have to kill emacspeak, Orca, or restart the X server to get things running again. I'll put this question out on the emacspeak list and see if anyone has found a workaround. Thanks, dave From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Thu Dec 6 16:58:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66E0F7500CF for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:58:34 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.174] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G4a4eQZYpi+K for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:58:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.174]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9612975011C for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:58:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from grml (p57A58F9B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.165.143.155]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu6) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML29c-1J0K2v0bRN-0001bc; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:57:58 +0100 Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:57:59 +0100 From: Hermann To: Scott Haeger Message-ID: <20071206165759.GA8004@grml> References: <47580226.5050208@bashautomation.com> <20071206141956.GA5140@grml> <47582218.2010809@bashautomation.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <47582218.2010809@bashautomation.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+5eaEXGWIUoigQ8swjrFnkd/j2UND0/1fNwFf Vk/IVOFygw83AWCvUe+7JG8gAu6XKQI2xJdHltTRlVs+ESCgBL HEvu1+SMyRNl3QXcRoCKw== Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Inaccessable admin dialog X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:58:34 -0000 Hello Scott, I can use gedit as root. Open the Gnome-terminal and type: sudo gedit Orca behaves in the same way as if gedit was invoked as user. What has gedit to do with gdmsetup? Hermann -- I use grml (http://grml.org/) From cerdiogenes@gmail.com Thu Dec 6 17:07:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4351B750107 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:07:02 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.445 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.445 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_VM=0.077, TW_XD=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 3239 hrs), (distance 16, link: (Google 2)), [66.249.92.170] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gwheGmnnVJeM for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:07:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.170]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BA227500EF for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:06:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id c2so882178ugf for ; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 09:06:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.136.9 with SMTP id j9mr2594872hud.1196960790044; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 09:06:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.165.1 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 09:06:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:06:30 -0200 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Carlos_Di=F3genes?=" To: suseROCKS@bryen.com In-Reply-To: <1196874036.4461.57.camel@desktop.bryen.info> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1196302149.32412.24.camel@desktop.bryen.info> <4756D1D3.8020800@sun.com> <73DF67846C241C478E4B2A627B5EFC37A5F6E7@CABEXCH1.CINCYBLIND.LOCAL> <1196874036.4461.57.camel@desktop.bryen.info> Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Question about Magnifier Zoomer settings X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:07:02 -0000 Hi Bryen 2007/12/5, Bryen : > > On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 11:44 -0500, Mike Wigle wrote: > > I was curious, will it ever be possible to get full screen magnification out of gnome-mag? > > > > Michael Wigle > > I think it is POSSIBLE to do that with the settings. However, from what > I can tell, if you use gnome-mag as the full screen magnifier, then you > can't really work within the magnifier since the magnifier is a separate > window from your workspace and your mouse/keyboard functions occur > outside the magnifier. > > I've been able to achieve full screen magnification with the vmg app I > mentioned in an earlier thread. But the drawback on that app is that it > won't allow for typing/clicking at all. I don't understand the point here. In Ubuntu 7.10 full-screen magnification works out of the box. If this is not working it's probably due hardware support, since 7.10 comes with COMPOSITE enabled by default. I think that in some video cards composite doesn't work, but you can verify it by opening a terminal and typing: #: xdpyinfo | less Then you can type '/' and then 'Composite' and press 'Enter'. It must found and highlight the word 'Composite', other way will appear 'Pattern not found', so the COMPOSITE extension is not present. In Ubuntu 7.10 you must just start Orca and the magnifier will work for full-screen magnification. There are some bugs, like you continue to see the unmagnified pointer and sometimes the magnifier doesn't update the window properly, but this is not a frequent behavior AFAICT. Best regards, Carlos. From scott@bashautomation.com Thu Dec 6 17:09:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E274E7500CF for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:09:22 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 10 (1203?) (firewall!) (up: 2350 hrs), (distance 17, link: ethernet/modem), [71.74.56.123] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BFJGzEdPZ3CR for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:09:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.123]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 725D87500B4 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:08:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (really [68.200.3.196]) by hrndva-omta05.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20071206170850.ROIO25689.hrndva-omta05.mail.rr.com@[192.168.0.101]> for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:08:50 +0000 Message-ID: <47582CA1.4090705@bashautomation.com> Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 12:08:49 -0500 From: Scott Haeger User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070924) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <47580226.5050208@bashautomation.com> <20071206141956.GA5140@grml> <47582218.2010809@bashautomation.com> <20071206165759.GA8004@grml> In-Reply-To: <20071206165759.GA8004@grml> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Inaccessable admin dialog X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:09:23 -0000 Hermann wrote: > Hello Scott, > I can use gedit as root. > Open the Gnome-terminal and type: > sudo gedit > Orca behaves in the same way as if gedit was invoked as user. > What has gedit to do with gdmsetup? > Hermann > > On my system (fully updated Ubuntu Gutsy), gedit does not appear in the accessible hierarchy when run as root. As expected, Orca will output key echoes but will not read the menu structures. This is because Orca registers for key stroke events but does not have a view of the accessible hierarchy if an application has not registered. I use gedit as a test application because I am sure it is accessible. It has no direct relationship with gdmsetup. Scott From suseROCKS@bryen.com Thu Dec 6 17:14:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3EB17503B6 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:14:56 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.445 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.445 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_VM=0.077, TW_XD=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 4981 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [208.100.11.27] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eUDsUjE65jkZ for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:14:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from tesla.server5vh.com (tesla.server5vh.com [208.100.11.27]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E65F7750475 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:14:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from c-24-12-98-76.hsd1.il.comcast.net ([24.12.98.76]:15637 helo=[10.1.10.10]) by tesla.server5vh.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J0KJB-0002O6-EX for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 11:14:45 -0600 From: Bryen To: orca-list In-Reply-To: References: <1196302149.32412.24.camel@desktop.bryen.info> <4756D1D3.8020800@sun.com> <73DF67846C241C478E4B2A627B5EFC37A5F6E7@CABEXCH1.CINCYBLIND.LOCAL> <1196874036.4461.57.camel@desktop.bryen.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 11:14:21 -0600 Message-Id: <1196961261.2541.26.camel@desktop.bryen.info> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - tesla.server5vh.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - bryen.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [orca-list] Question about Magnifier Zoomer settings X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: suseROCKS@bryen.com List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:14:57 -0000 On Thu, 2007-12-06 at 15:06 -0200, Carlos Di=C3=B3genes wrote: > Hi Bryen >=20 > 2007/12/5, Bryen : > > > > On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 11:44 -0500, Mike Wigle wrote: > > > I was curious, will it ever be possible to get full screen magnificat= ion out of gnome-mag? > > > > > > Michael Wigle > > > > I think it is POSSIBLE to do that with the settings. However, from wha= t > > I can tell, if you use gnome-mag as the full screen magnifier, then yo= u > > can't really work within the magnifier since the magnifier is a separat= e > > window from your workspace and your mouse/keyboard functions occur > > outside the magnifier. > > > > I've been able to achieve full screen magnification with the vmg app I > > mentioned in an earlier thread. But the drawback on that app is that i= t > > won't allow for typing/clicking at all. >=20 > I don't understand the point here. In Ubuntu 7.10 full-screen > magnification works out of the box. If this is not working it's > probably due hardware support, since 7.10 comes with COMPOSITE enabled > by default. I think that in some video cards composite doesn't work, > but you can verify it by opening a terminal and typing: >=20 > #: xdpyinfo | less >=20 > Then you can type '/' and then 'Composite' and press 'Enter'. It must > found and highlight the word 'Composite', other way will appear > 'Pattern not found', so the COMPOSITE extension is not present. >=20 > In Ubuntu 7.10 you must just start Orca and the magnifier will work > for full-screen magnification. There are some bugs, like you continue > to see the unmagnified pointer and sometimes the magnifier doesn't > update the window properly, but this is not a frequent behavior > AFAICT. >=20 > Best regards, > Carlos. You may be right. From something I read on a different magnifier program since that posting, I read that hadware support is crucial. I am upgrading my hardware as we speak and it will include supported 3d graphics card. After that, it may be that I am proven definitely wrong. There's a first time for everything. :-) --=20 ---Bryen--- From kenny@hittsjunk.net Thu Dec 6 18:19:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7447675026D for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 18:19:46 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.692 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.692 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8, TW_GD=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [33182:52:1:64:M1412, N, N, T, N, W1, N, N, S:.:?:?] (up: 3359 hrs), (link: sometimes DSL (3)), [207.115.11.55] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TPKHnaXQybOJ for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 18:19:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fmailhost05.isp.att.net (fmailhost05.isp.att.net [207.115.11.55]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88C73750107 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 18:19:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from blackbox (adsl-068-209-203-174.sip.hsv.bellsouth.net[68.209.203.174]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc05) with ESMTP id <20071206181912H0500d818le>; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 18:19:12 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [68.209.203.174] Received: from kenny by blackbox with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J0LJZ-0006RB-OO for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 12:19:13 -0600 Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 12:19:13 -0600 From: Kenny Hitt To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20071206181913.GA6926@hittsjunk.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <47580226.5050208@bashautomation.com> <20071206141956.GA5140@grml> <47582218.2010809@bashautomation.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <47582218.2010809@bashautomation.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Inaccessable admin dialog X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:19:46 -0000 Hi. On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 11:23:52AM -0500, Scott Haeger wrote: > Hermann wrote: > > I think you need an additional file named .orbitrc placed in your root home > > directory. > > BTW.: When I start gdmsetup from the Gnome terminal, I get a lot of > > script messages before the app starts, and after start, it freezes on > > the "general" tab. I have to move several times between the opened > > windows by pressing Alt+Tab, before the screen gets refreshed, so that I > > can adjust the settings. > > Note: This happens only in gdmsetup, all other services that need root > > privileges work fine. > > Hermann > > > > > Hermann, > > gedit is not accessible when run as root. Will this also be covered by > .orbitrc? > > Scott Once you have the .orbitrc file in /root, gedit is accessible if you start it like sudo gedit filename On my Debian box, I don't use sudo, so I start gedit to edit admin files like: su -c 'gedit filename' You run the above commands as your normal user in a gnome-terminal. Hope this helps. Kenny From kenny@hittsjunk.net Thu Dec 6 18:34:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC3D87504FF for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 18:34:27 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.692 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.692 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8, TW_GD=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [33182:50:1:64:M1412, N, N, T, N, W1, N, N, S:.:?:?] (up: 3550 hrs), (link: sometimes DSL (3)), [207.115.11.54] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wdBxa9yTLzre for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 18:34:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fmailhost04.isp.att.net (fmailhost04.isp.att.net [207.115.11.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 366237502E5 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 18:33:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from blackbox (adsl-068-209-203-174.sip.hsv.bellsouth.net[68.209.203.174]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc04) with ESMTP id <20071206183352H0400ac1t9e>; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 18:33:52 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [68.209.203.174] Received: from kenny by blackbox with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J0LXl-00083S-7d for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 12:33:53 -0600 Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 12:33:52 -0600 From: Kenny Hitt To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20071206183352.GB6926@hittsjunk.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <000701c836f4$3dcdb270$0501a8c0@hornung> <20071205160026.GA3788@hittsjunk.net> <005d01c837a7$746d10b0$0501a8c0@hornung> <20071206053817.GA3561@hittsjunk.net> <00e801c83815$f14c5780$4ba65c90@vv507j> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <00e801c83815$f14c5780$4ba65c90@vv507j> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessible Login X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:34:27 -0000 Hi. Yes, you need to configure orbit so the ORca runing as your normal user can see the accessibility information from admin apps you start as the normal user. If you start the app as root, you won't get access, but with the following .orbitrc file in /root, you will get access to apps started with either sudo or su -c command. /root/.orbitrc contains: ORBIIOPIPv4=1 ORBIIOPUNIX=0 ORBLocalOnly=1 This method works on Ubuntu starting with Feisty, as well as Debian boxes starting with testing/Lenny. Kenny On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 08:40:27AM -0600, John Heim wrote: > I'm not clear on what orbit has to do with this. I put myself in the sudoers > file. I can run gdmsetup by saying 'sudo gdmsetup'. But it doesn't talk. > Are you saying I need to use orbit for that? > > Maybe you could post your /root/.orbitrc file. > > From kenny@hittsjunk.net Thu Dec 6 18:52:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 810AD750135 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 18:52:17 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.801 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [33182:52:1:64:M1412, N, N, T, N, W1, N, N, S:.:?:?] (up: 2181 hrs), (link: sometimes DSL (3)), [207.115.11.51] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MTv4TYkorUA8 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 18:52:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fmailhost01.isp.att.net (fmailhost01.isp.att.net [207.115.11.51]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83B637501E2 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 18:51:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from blackbox (adsl-068-209-203-174.sip.hsv.bellsouth.net[68.209.203.174]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc01) with ESMTP id <20071206185144H0100n4dede>; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 18:51:44 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [68.209.203.174] Received: from kenny by blackbox with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J0Lp3-0001aQ-R8 for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 12:51:45 -0600 Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 12:51:45 -0600 From: Kenny Hitt To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20071206185145.GC6926@hittsjunk.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <1196887853.3483.22.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1196887853.3483.22.camel@localhost> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) Subject: Re: [orca-list] RealPlayer, firefox and orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:52:17 -0000 Hi. I think you are seeing the difference because Firefox is running a realplayer plugin instead of starting realplayer. Kenny From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Thu Dec 6 19:03:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16522750163 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:03:13 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.188] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0H3K6fbT8-ID for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:03:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA8E67500B6 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:02:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.178.24] (p57A58F9B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.165.143.155]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu7) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML2xA-1J0Lza3Mp0-0001ir; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:02:39 +0100 From: Hermann To: Kenny Hitt In-Reply-To: <20071206181913.GA6926@hittsjunk.net> References: <47580226.5050208@bashautomation.com> <20071206141956.GA5140@grml> <47582218.2010809@bashautomation.com> <20071206181913.GA6926@hittsjunk.net> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:02:49 +0100 Message-Id: <1196967769.5995.1.camel@notebook> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/TNuJovp/OHa9T8/Hk2cBCGK5UUVw4Yr0vBd+ XbC0grkooBAx5n5FtttgsvLETF8D+1c4DmuepBd9YzKt7mKlVD 4EdF9nnAUq4of+1dNTxlw== Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Inaccessable admin dialog X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:03:13 -0000 Just tested gedit again, and all areas are accessible, including the menu structure. Hermann From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Thu Dec 6 19:04:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC88C750163 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:04:54 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.179] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OYIQDdFh3YIY for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:04:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.179]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F44E750150 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:04:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.178.24] (p57A58F9B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.165.143.155]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu6) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML29c-1J0M180AuI-0001dk; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:04:14 +0100 From: Hermann To: Kenny Hitt In-Reply-To: <20071206183352.GB6926@hittsjunk.net> References: <000701c836f4$3dcdb270$0501a8c0@hornung> <20071205160026.GA3788@hittsjunk.net> <005d01c837a7$746d10b0$0501a8c0@hornung> <20071206053817.GA3561@hittsjunk.net> <00e801c83815$f14c5780$4ba65c90@vv507j> <20071206183352.GB6926@hittsjunk.net> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:04:25 +0100 Message-Id: <1196967865.5995.4.camel@notebook> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18+NeEJni53mnG9idaJwgzKddw6qc8/jsWYi2z TEvR8P7RVn7F0UTbBKtERS2rcDjtZc3FMSYV/+BHG9O4wMhzwv 5B3TQ1vm6yn0i5+b1OboA== Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessible Login X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:04:55 -0000 I have only the first two lines in my .orbitrc, so waht's the difference between this two versions? Hermann From jchacon@technosite.es Thu Dec 6 19:08:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF2117500B6 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:08:17 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Score: 2.179 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=2.179 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.656, BAYES_60=1, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, L_P0F_W=1.7, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Windows 2000 SP4, XP SP1+, (distance 22, link: ethernet/modem), [193.27.9.141] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8G3REKaChmur for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:08:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from e-fti.net (mail.technosite.es [193.27.9.141]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB78A75019A for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:07:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from p4celeronWxp by ancora.com (MDaemon PRO v9.0.6) with ESMTP id md50000178756.msg for ; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:07:54 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jonathan_Chac=F3n?= To: Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:07:26 +0100 Organization: Fundosa Technosite Message-ID: <008a01c8383b$3e5912f0$0200a8c0@p4celeronWxp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acg4J+jCrC1X5W/wRNS6Yb5exFc99wAE0UbA X-Authenticated-Sender: jchacon@technosite.es X-Spam-Processed: e-fti.net, Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:07:54 +0100 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 88.17.2.241 X-Return-Path: jchacon@technosite.es X-Envelope-From: jchacon@technosite.es X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: orca-list@gnome.org X-MDAV-Processed: e-fti.net, Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:07:55 +0100 Subject: [orca-list] WX or not? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: jchacon@technosite.es List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:08:18 -0000 Hello everybody I am developing an application in python using WxPython but Orca can not detect the controls in the window... is WxPython accessible for Orca? Has anybody a manual to develop applications in python for blind users? regards Jonathan Chac=F3n From William.Walker@Sun.COM Thu Dec 6 19:53:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DE2C75062C for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:53:06 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.521 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.521 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, TW_GD=0.077, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 9, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.34] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fvir6EvxG6Ea for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:53:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C7AB75019A for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:52:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lB6JqUQ6016174 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:52:30 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JSN00I017ZDW900@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 12:52:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([66.189.39.50]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JSN00EIU8J80P90@mail-amer.sun.com>; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 12:52:21 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 14:51:14 -0500 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <00ed01c8381a$54a82530$4ba65c90@vv507j> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: John Heim Message-id: <475852B2.4000004@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <475713BE.30401@sun.com> <00ed01c8381a$54a82530$4ba65c90@vv507j> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071009) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessible Login Docs X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:53:06 -0000 Hi John: I just discussed this issue with the gdm maintainer and he sent me a list of quick steps. I've updated http://live.gnome.org/Orca/AccessibleLogin to reflect these. I hope it helps! Will John Heim wrote: > There have been a couple of posts on this list in the past week from people > (one of them me) who tried following the instructions on that page with > little success. I think a big part of the problem is that that document was > written from a point of view that assumes a lot of prior knowledge. For > example, "Accessibility is enabled by specifying the "GTK+ Greeter" in the > "Local" tab for the console display and specifying the "GTK+ Greeter" in the > "Remote" tab for remote displays. Or you can modify the Greeter and > RemoteGreeter configuration options by hand to be /usr/lib/gdmlogin. " > > On behalf of all new users of gnome/orca, may i just say, "Huh?" > > I think that means you should run gdmsetup and select those options. Or you > can edit /etc/gdm.conf and configure it by hand. But it doesn't say that. > This is not exactly intended as a criticism of the documentation. I am > actually just trying to explain why I think people (including me) are having > problems in spite of reading the docs. I make my living setting up systems. > Stuff like dhcp, dns, samba, lprng, apache, etc. I'm no stranger to the term > RTFM. But I think a lot of people are coming to orca with absolutely know > knowledge of gnome or gdm. I know that's where I'm at. > > PS: Orca is really awesome. I've only had orca working since Monday and I > took one evening off to shovel snow. So I've been playing with it for only 2 > evenings and i was able to get real work done already. I have a long way to > go. I have to configure email and figure out web browsing. But I was able to > use gedit to fix a config file and a terminal window to restart the service. > I tried learning to use a Mac last year and never got that proficient. > >> Just for future reference: >> >> http://www.gnome.org/projects/gdm/docs/2.20/accessibility.html >> >> There's also http://live.gnome.org/Orca/AccessibleLogin, which just >> points to the above. >> >> Will >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From daxlinux@gmail.com Thu Dec 6 20:17:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A8907501D8 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:17:08 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.522 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_SV=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (Google crawlbot) (firewall!) (up: 747 hrs), (distance 14, link: (Google 2)), [64.233.184.229] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TL1jYNeIhcVn for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:17:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.229]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF186750135 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:16:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c55so302166wra for ; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 12:16:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.56.7 with SMTP id e7mr3755930wxa.1196972194690; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 12:16:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?76.182.4.152? ( [76.182.4.152]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h39sm132120wxd.2007.12.06.12.16.28 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 06 Dec 2007 12:16:33 -0800 (PST) From: Lorenzo Taylor To: orca-list Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 15:16:22 -0500 Message-Id: <1196972182.13775.16.camel@taylor.homelinux.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.21.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] cgmail, evolution and orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:17:08 -0000 I decided to help in testing the earliest development stages of Ubuntu Hardy. I found what so far seems to be about the best Gnome mail notification program I have used called cgmail. The problem is that when I am running Evo and I get a notification from cgmail, Orca dies. It also dies when Evo itself sends a notification. However it doesn't die with any other notifications, including the Pidgin notifications of people coming online and sending messages via the pidgin-notification plugin and notifications such as software updates and others. This is the latest version of Orca trunk and the cgmail and Evo from the Hardy repo. Basically, my question is which package should I file a bug report against: evolution, cgmail or gnome-orca or possibly one of the dependencies of either? If it is in fact an Orca problem, I can also file a bug report with the Orca bugtracker, especially since I'm using svn trunk. Thanks for any help, Lorenzo From dannyboy@pobox.com Thu Dec 6 21:14:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 996287500F9 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 21:14:42 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.801 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [33182:52:1:64:M1412, N, N, T, N, W1, N, N, S:.:?:?] (up: 3362 hrs), (link: sometimes DSL (3)), [204.127.217.105] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id avUaF6+EwgjP for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 21:14:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fmailhost05.isp.att.net (fmailhost05.isp.att.net [204.127.217.105]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9361F7500B6 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 21:14:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.3.100] (adsl-221-155-111.mem.bellsouth.net[68.221.155.111]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc05) with SMTP id <20071206211410H0500dajj1e>; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 21:14:10 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [68.221.155.111] Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <367AB6FA-2C2A-4D67-A1FC-90778CBB8968@pobox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: orca-list@gnome.org From: Danny Crone Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:14:08 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Subject: [orca-list] accessibility with orca and internet X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:14:43 -0000 Hello. My name is Danny. I have used a windows macchine and a Mac. How accessible is Orca with linux for the internet with fire fox at this stage? I am curious as to how many people use linux as a primary computer, and how many people still rely on another operating system. From suseROCKS@bryen.com Thu Dec 6 21:22:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F16EB7501E4 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 21:22:11 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 5022 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [208.100.11.27] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7ambNEwPHZjF for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 21:22:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from tesla.server5vh.com (tesla.server5vh.com [208.100.11.27]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 202B97500B4 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 21:21:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from c-24-12-98-76.hsd1.il.comcast.net ([24.12.98.76]:6835 helo=[10.1.10.10]) by tesla.server5vh.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J0OAR-0001Lp-IL for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 15:21:59 -0600 From: Bryen To: orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <367AB6FA-2C2A-4D67-A1FC-90778CBB8968@pobox.com> References: <367AB6FA-2C2A-4D67-A1FC-90778CBB8968@pobox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 15:21:34 -0600 Message-Id: <1196976094.4497.1.camel@desktop.bryen.info> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - tesla.server5vh.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - bryen.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [orca-list] accessibility with orca and internet X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: suseROCKS@bryen.com List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:22:12 -0000 On Thu, 2007-12-06 at 15:14 -0600, Danny Crone wrote: > Hello. My name is Danny. I have used a windows macchine and a Mac. > How accessible is Orca with linux for the internet with fire fox at > this stage? > I am curious as to how many people use linux as a primary computer, > and how many people still rely on another operating system. > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca In my opinion, the question of "accessibility" is oftentimes a matter of personal definition, based on what your needs are. Firefox itself is considered "accessible" and there are some great plugins available for Firefox if you have specific needs. You should check out www.accessfirefox.com for more information -- ---Bryen--- From janina@opera.rednote.net Fri Dec 7 00:12:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 179F67501D5; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 00:12:52 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.185 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.185 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 2989 hrs), (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [74.53.93.34] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K8DnfoVdXBdB; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 00:12:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from opera.rednote.net (opera.rednote.net [74.53.93.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD6F07501C6; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 00:12:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from opera.rednote.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by opera.rednote.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB70CFNV019950 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 7 Dec 2007 00:12:15 GMT Received: (from janina@localhost) by opera.rednote.net (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id lB70CE51019949; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:12:14 -0500 Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:12:14 -0500 From: Janina Sajka To: blinux-list-bounces@redhat.com, Orca screen reader developers , gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org, WAI XTech Message-ID: <20071207001214.GC30934@rednote.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.91.2/5023/Thu Dec 6 19:37:18 2007 on opera.rednote.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [orca-list] Announcing 64-Bit Speakup Modified Fedora X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 00:12:52 -0000 We're pleased to announce the release of new x86_64 installation media for the Speakup Modified Fedora Distribution. Once again we invite you to use our images and installation guidance to install Fedora 8, also known as "Werewolf," using your hardware speech synthesizer and the Speakup screen reader on your 64-bit computing system. Downloadable images and documentation are available at our Internet address: http://SpeakupModified.Org You can also access our files using ftp or rsync with commands like: ftp://ftp.SpeakupModified.Org/speakupmodified/fedora/ rsync -l speakupmodified.org::speakupmodified The Speakup Modified Fedora provides: * installation media adapted expressly for those blind computer users who want to use the Speakup Linux screen reader to install a Fedora-style Linux on their computers. This means that the blind computer user will not require sighted assistance, and that the end result will be an installation that talks every time it is booted. * Other assistive technology including Brltty, Emacspeak, Espeak, * Gnome-Speech-Espeak, Orca, and the newly released Tiresias large-print fonts. It's all there--in the installation * images. * Fast and robust Internet connections on our hosted servers, so * that your downloads can proceed at maximum speed * Our acclaimed HOWTO to guide you through the installation * process, including setup for Fedora's accessible graphical desktop. * A mini-howto about using telnet to install Werewolf -- particularly * useful for users who do not have hardware speech synthesizers. * A yum repository so you can update your Speakup Modified Fedora * distribution the easy way--overnight in your sleep, for instance. * Additional accessible applications such as the new Firefox 3 Beta The newly released Fedora 8 is the most accessible Fedora yet. We're pleased we can once again facilitate your installation of Fedora without sighted assistance. Enjoy! The Speakup Modified Team -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.202.595.7777; sip:janina@a11y.org Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com Chair, Open Accessibility janina@a11y.org Linux Foundation http://a11y.org From metalhead1009000@gmail.com Fri Dec 7 00:50:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30FBB75014E for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 00:50:21 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.522 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_GD=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 6599 hrs), (distance 15, link: (Google 2)), [209.85.132.243] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G9LeJWzrxpPI for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 00:50:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.243]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2BCE750113 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 00:49:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c34so134374anc for ; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:49:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.211.8 with SMTP id j8mr7986774ang.1196988586246; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:49:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mikePC ( [139.78.228.181]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h5sm68856roe.2007.12.06.16.49.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:49:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <887FAA46DAB841B8985BD0596EA51AA0@mikePC> From: "Mike Reiser" To: "John Heim" , References: <475713BE.30401@sun.com> <00ed01c8381a$54a82530$4ba65c90@vv507j> In-Reply-To: <00ed01c8381a$54a82530$4ba65c90@vv507j> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 18:49:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessible Login Docs X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 00:50:21 -0000 I'm a little confused, do I type .orbitrc and then press enter and then the code or what? When I type .orbitrc and the code and press enter, no feedback is givven to tell me that it entered correctly. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Heim" To: Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 9:11 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessible Login Docs > There have been a couple of posts on this list in the past week from > people > (one of them me) who tried following the instructions on that page with > little success. I think a big part of the problem is that that document > was > written from a point of view that assumes a lot of prior knowledge. For > example, "Accessibility is enabled by specifying the "GTK+ Greeter" in the > "Local" tab for the console display and specifying the "GTK+ Greeter" in > the > "Remote" tab for remote displays. Or you can modify the Greeter and > RemoteGreeter configuration options by hand to be /usr/lib/gdmlogin. " > > On behalf of all new users of gnome/orca, may i just say, "Huh?" > > I think that means you should run gdmsetup and select those options. Or > you > can edit /etc/gdm.conf and configure it by hand. But it doesn't say that. > This is not exactly intended as a criticism of the documentation. I am > actually just trying to explain why I think people (including me) are > having > problems in spite of reading the docs. I make my living setting up > systems. > Stuff like dhcp, dns, samba, lprng, apache, etc. I'm no stranger to the > term > RTFM. But I think a lot of people are coming to orca with absolutely know > knowledge of gnome or gdm. I know that's where I'm at. > > PS: Orca is really awesome. I've only had orca working since Monday and I > took one evening off to shovel snow. So I've been playing with it for only > 2 > evenings and i was able to get real work done already. I have a long way > to > go. I have to configure email and figure out web browsing. But I was able > to > use gedit to fix a config file and a terminal window to restart the > service. > I tried learning to use a Mac last year and never got that proficient. > >> >> Just for future reference: >> >> http://www.gnome.org/projects/gdm/docs/2.20/accessibility.html >> >> There's also http://live.gnome.org/Orca/AccessibleLogin, which just >> points to the above. >> >> Will >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From deprice@cs.utah.edu Fri Dec 7 02:51:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A49A375014E for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 02:51:05 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (NAT!) (up: 8009 hrs), (distance 13, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [155.98.64.241] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vc5ntZfMFwJ9 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 02:50:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-svr1.cs.utah.edu (rio.cs.utah.edu [155.98.64.241]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 875957500B4 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 02:50:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail-svr1.cs.utah.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03C286500B1 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:50:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail-svr1.cs.utah.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail-svr1.cs.utah.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24341-09 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:50:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from depricelaptop (unknown [205.208.238.41]) by smtps.cs.utah.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0FA26500AC for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:50:28 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <004301c8387b$e29e30d0$0300a8c0@depricelaptop> From: "David E. Price" To: Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:49:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cs.utah.edu Subject: [orca-list] Fw: Potential conflict between emacspeak with hardware synth and Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: "David E. Price" List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 02:51:05 -0000 Hi, I'm forwarding this message from the emacspeak list in case anyone else comes across this problem. This is certainly a work around, although I'm not convinced the assessment of the problem is complete, since I can run both together under X if both are using a software synthesizer. Admittedly, I don't know the code of either program, but the only reason I can see for the freeze is a conflict over resources. Yet, since emacspeak is using a hardware synthesizer and Orca is using a software synthesizer, I can't figure out what resources might be the source of the conflict--I haven't compiled any software synthesizers for emacspeak on the machine in question. Any ideas? Thanks, dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "T. V. Raman" To: Cc: ; Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 7:32 PM Subject: Potential conflict between emacspeak with hardware synth and Orca > 1) Are you running Emacspeak at the console or under X? > If doing the latter, things are well-night impossible because > orca does not fall silent when emacs has focus. > > The simplest thing to do is to run emacspeak on a virtual > console, and run ORCA under X --- switch to the virtual console > running Emacs when you want to use emacspeak. Things work in this > configuration which is how I use it. > >>>>>> "David" == David E Price writes: > David> Hi, I'm running Ubuntu Gutsy and trying to run both > David> emacspeak and Orca. I want to use my DECTalk Express > David> with emacspeak and a software synth with > David> Orca. However, if I have both Orca and emacspeak > David> running and try to switch between emacs and another > David> application, everything freezes. I either have to use > David> a remote machine to kill emacspeak or Orca, or I have > David> to restart the X server. This problem also occurs if I > David> am using the emacspeak speech server inside Orca--in > David> effect, both programs are using the DECTalk Express. > David> > David> Is anyone successfully using emacspeak with a hardware > David> synthesizer and Orca? If so, any suggestions for > David> working around my problem? > David> > David> Thanks, > David> > David> dave > > -- > Best Regards, > --raman > > > Email: raman@users.sf.net > WWW: http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/ > AIM: emacspeak GTalk: tv.raman.tv@gmail.com > PGP: http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/raman-almaden.asc > Google: tv+raman > IRC: irc://irc.freenode.net/#emacs > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the emacspeak list or change your address on the > emacspeak list send mail to "emacspeak-request@cs.vassar.edu" with a > subject of "unsubscribe" or "help" > From cerha@brailcom.org Fri Dec 7 07:45:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 612877500EA for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 07:45:00 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.56 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.56 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.039, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 8332 hrs), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [81.25.16.212] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lW86doGAV+tm for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 07:44:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx4.tartarnet.cz (mx4.tartarnet.cz [81.25.16.212]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F7117500A4 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 07:44:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tartarnet.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 990C26071655; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 08:44:18 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at Received: from mx4.tartarnet.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx4.tartarnet.cz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pczvnQbb7xPB; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 08:44:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.0.0.2] (unknown [10.22.13.12]) by mx4.tartarnet.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10E216071645; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 08:44:11 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4758F9E5.1030607@brailcom.org> Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 08:44:37 +0100 From: Tomas Cerha Organization: Brailcom, o.p.s. User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071008) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: deprice@cs.utah.edu References: <00b101c815ef$03042730$0300a8c0@depricelaptop> <472207B6.7020806@sun.com> <47220B9A.7090307@sun.com> <00b601c817f3$730b6ec0$0300a8c0@depricelaptop> <4756F5A4.6080901@sun.com> <4757FDEA.2010508@sun.com> <1196960376.28387.7.camel@plymouth> In-Reply-To: <1196960376.28387.7.camel@plymouth> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Willie Walker , orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Potential conflict between Orca and emacspeak with hardware synth X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 07:45:00 -0000 Hello David, JFYI, you can also try speechd-el instead of emacspeak. It uses Speech Dispatcher and thus works smoothly together with Orca. See http://www.freebsoft.org/speechd-el for more information. Best regards, Tomas David E. Price wrote: > I made your suggested change to the user-settings.py file, and the reset > strings are no longer sent to my DECTalk Express when I start Orca > Properties. Unfortunately, this did not solve the problem that > originated this thread. If I start emacspeak and then try to switch to > another application with Orca running, everything freezes. I either > have to kill emacspeak, Orca, or restart the X server to get things > running again. > > I'll put this question out on the emacspeak list and see if anyone has > found a workaround. From dmehler26@woh.rr.com Fri Dec 7 10:56:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E8A57500F9 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:56:33 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.709 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.709 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 10 (1203?) (firewall!) (up: 2367 hrs), (distance 17, link: ethernet/modem), [71.74.56.122] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HxV+gR8h1M7U for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:56:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59E86750119 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:56:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from satellite ([24.166.217.129]) by hrndva-omta06.mail.rr.com with SMTP id <20071207105600.ETNY22267.hrndva-omta06.mail.rr.com@satellite> for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:56:00 +0000 Message-ID: <004401c838bf$bd9337b0$0200a8c0@satellite> From: "Dave" To: Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 05:55:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Subject: [orca-list] Ubuntu Server install, via serial port? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: Dave List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 10:56:33 -0000 Hello, I've got a gateway box that's dying. For various reasons i'm going to replace it with a Ubuntu 7.10 server. I'd like to know is there a way with the server CD of doing a serial or unattended install? I don't forsee myself needing x on this box. Private replies please. Thanks. Dave. From erbizionostro@tiscali.it Fri Dec 7 12:07:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C807750153 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 12:07:39 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.286 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.286 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, MSGID_NO_HOST=0.285] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 75 hrs), (distance 18, link: ethernet/modem), [85.18.95.73] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 59PFwGIdcBSd for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 12:07:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from aa013msr.fastwebnet.it (aa013msr.fastwebnet.it [85.18.95.73]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34C8A75008A for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 12:07:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fabry.tiscali.it (23.250.31.141) by aa013msr.fastwebnet.it (7.3.118.6) id 46B1A27C08299F34 for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 13:07:03 +0100 Message-ID: <46B1A27C08299F34@> (added by postmaster@aa013msr.fastwebnet.it) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 13:07:01 +0100 To: orca-list@gnome.org From: Fabrizio Marini Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [orca-list] Another speech dispatcher crash. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 12:07:39 -0000 HI everybody. Even me, I experienced unpredictable speech dispatcher crashes. Here's my configuration: - ubuntu Gutsy, regularly updated; - gnome-orca 2.20.0.1; - speech dispatcher 0.6.5rc1 downloaded from ppa.launchpad...; - Espeak, the last version available with the Ubuntu repositories. Now thathere's what I did and what happened: - i installed speech dispatcher, python-speechd and sound-icons, with all the other necessary packages, indicated by apt-get; - i gave the spd-say "ciao" command in a text terminal window and heared "ciao" from the speakers; - i ran Orca and, in the preferences dialog box, i found and selected speech dispatcher as synthesis, then selecting espeak as the speech synthesizer (the default) and the italian voice; - i pressed the apply button and started using my pc with this new settings. After a few minutes of use, as noted by others in this list, the hard disk made some noise and my pc stopped talking; i loged out and in again, but i could only use Orca with Braille. So I opened a text terminal and wrote: spd-say "ciao" obtaining an error message like this: client: speech dispatcher: connection refused or something like that. I restarted Orca some way (can't remember how), opened the preferences dialog box and saw that it was impossible to choose speech dispatcher as synthesis system. All these events happened more than one time. Sorry for my english not so perfect and sorry if I cannot be precise at the moment, cause i'm under Windows now, as you can see. Do you think I can solve my problem? Thank you for your atention and see you soon. Fabrizio. From deprice@cs.utah.edu Fri Dec 7 14:44:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04D507500F9 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 14:44:03 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.74 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.74 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (NAT!) (up: 8128 hrs), (distance 13, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [155.98.64.241] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bcIsPvv4QUPw for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 14:43:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-svr1.cs.utah.edu (rio.cs.utah.edu [155.98.64.241]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E270750241 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 14:43:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail-svr1.cs.utah.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56BBB650091; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 07:43:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail-svr1.cs.utah.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail-svr1.cs.utah.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32758-10; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 07:43:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from depricelaptop (unknown [205.208.238.41]) by smtps.cs.utah.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4038A6500A8; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 07:43:25 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <006601c838df$7a540bd0$0300a8c0@depricelaptop> From: "David E. Price" To: "Tomas Cerha" References: <00b101c815ef$03042730$0300a8c0@depricelaptop> <472207B6.7020806@sun.com> <47220B9A.7090307@sun.com> <00b601c817f3$730b6ec0$0300a8c0@depricelaptop> <4756F5A4.6080901@sun.com> <4757FDEA.2010508@sun.com> <1196960376.28387.7.camel@plymouth> <4758F9E5.1030607@brailcom.org> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 07:43:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cs.utah.edu Cc: Willie Walker , orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Potential conflict between Orca and emacspeak with hardware synth X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: "David E. Price" List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:44:03 -0000 Hi, Tomas, Thanks for the pointer--I'll take a look. However, I can get emacspeak and Orca working well together in an X session if both are using software synthesizers. I love the feedback I get from emacspeak when I'm coding or creating a LaTeX document. My problem at the moment is that I love the speech quality from my DECTalk Express much more than the software synts--call me old fashioned. ;-) dave From: "Tomas Cerha" Subject: Re: [orca-list] Potential conflict between Orca and emacspeak with hardware synth > Hello David, > > JFYI, you can also try speechd-el instead of emacspeak. It uses Speech > Dispatcher and thus works smoothly together with Orca. See > http://www.freebsoft.org/speechd-el for more information. > > Best regards, Tomas > > David E. Price wrote: >> I made your suggested change to the user-settings.py file, and the reset >> strings are no longer sent to my DECTalk Express when I start Orca >> Properties. Unfortunately, this did not solve the problem that >> originated this thread. If I start emacspeak and then try to switch to >> another application with Orca running, everything freezes. I either >> have to kill emacspeak, Orca, or restart the X server to get things >> running again. >> >> I'll put this question out on the emacspeak list and see if anyone has >> found a workaround. > From cerha@brailcom.org Fri Dec 7 15:54:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E77AD75012D for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:54:38 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.56 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.56 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.039, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 8352 hrs), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [81.25.16.212] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U584bIyUZLZP for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:54:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx4.tartarnet.cz (mx4.tartarnet.cz [81.25.16.212]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA715750112 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:54:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tartarnet.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED3786070EF4; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 16:53:56 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at Received: from mx4.tartarnet.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx4.tartarnet.cz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BcuA6AIId+sm; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 16:53:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.0.0.2] (unknown [10.22.13.12]) by mx4.tartarnet.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBE4B6070EF1; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 16:53:50 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <47596CAB.9050406@brailcom.org> Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 16:54:19 +0100 From: Tomas Cerha Organization: Brailcom, o.p.s. User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071008) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fabrizio Marini References: <46B1A27C08299F34@> (added by postmaster@aa013msr.fastwebnet.it) In-Reply-To: <46B1A27C08299F34@> (added by postmaster@aa013msr.fastwebnet.it) X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Another speech dispatcher crash. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 15:54:39 -0000 Fabrizio Marini wrote: > spd-say "ciao" > obtaining an error message like this: > client: speech dispatcher: connection refused Hello Fabrizio, This means that Speech Dispatcher is not running (most likely because it crashed). > I restarted Orca some way (can't remember how), opened the > preferences dialog box and saw that it was impossible to choose > speech dispatcher as synthesis system. Yes, you must first restart Speech Dispatcher (in Debian or Ubuntu run /etc/init.d/speech-dispatcher restart). You even don't need to restart Orca, just restart SD and you get the speech back immediately. If that crash happens again, can you please send a bug report to Speech Dispatcher mailing list? See http://www.freebsoft.org/speechd for more info. If you send SD logs from the time of the crash, it can help. There is currently one known issue with dual-core machines. Could that be your case? Best ragards, Tomas From traynor.pj@gmail.com Fri Dec 7 16:07:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D866C75008A for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 16:07:19 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.74 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.74 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 3469 hrs), (distance 16, link: (Google 2)), [66.249.92.171] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DtvtxZ-IBTri for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 16:07:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D76CF750141 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 16:06:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id c2so1161199ugf for ; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 08:06:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.179.12 with SMTP id b12mr3419138huf.1197043604110; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 08:06:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from traynor1 ( [83.71.10.245]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c14sm820554nfi.2007.12.07.08.06.40 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 07 Dec 2007 08:06:41 -0800 (PST) From: "Mailing Lists" To: Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 16:06:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acg46ySrLccU+yc6Sc2BArSr5x2SWA== Content-Language: en-ie Message-ID: <47596f91.0eff300a.0c2a.ffff8c82@mx.google.com> Subject: [orca-list] Orca not speaking menus in Fedora 8 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 16:07:20 -0000 Hi All, Just after running up the latest fedora core 8. When I enter the X11 area of fedora and run up Orca, all seems fine but when I open up the menus using "alt + F1" Orca is not speaking those particular menus. However then I load up Firefox for example using the run option and I can access the menus in there such as File, Edit etc. Would I have somehow set something in Orca that is not permitting the main menus to read?. Many thanks for any help. Paul. -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 2866 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Fri Dec 7 16:32:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDEE575008A for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 16:32:51 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.174] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id brrhRaiyEG05 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 16:32:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.174]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69DED750094 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 16:32:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.178.24] (p57A5B4F4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.165.180.244]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKxQS-1J0g1G2Uim-0001Z9; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 17:25:42 +0100 From: Hermann To: orca-list Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 17:25:56 +0100 Message-Id: <1197044756.12135.8.camel@notebook> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19MNl3XGrhtE1yj/fROtRrDTbGe24oYqaSNqtI 4v9dD898CdN1GQfeYD08P8x/uPq8v4N/5/ORk2gH4i0AfP1BMp wQsZO5Kdv1qwNScwArzFw== Subject: [orca-list] Orca starts up the settings dialog with every start X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 16:32:52 -0000 Hi, I had this half year ago on my desktop machine: Suddenly Orca pops up the settings dialog, whenever I start up Orca. Repeating the settings and pressing OK doesn't solve the problem. I tried to extend Orca with Javier's script which assigns a key stroke to say time and date; I copied it to ~/.orca/orca-scripts. Since this time the issue is there, despite the fact, that I deleted the scriptt. Most annoying: My changes to the laptop settings are gone, since I've to reset all settings. When I restart, Orca keeps my changes, so I can close the dialog without resetting everything. What can be the reason for this, and how can I get ridd of this annoying thing? Hermann From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Fri Dec 7 18:45:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D378750141 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 18:45:43 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.188] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rkZgH9EtlDQn for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 18:45:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 053F57500F6 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 18:45:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.178.22] (p57A5B4F4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.165.180.244]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML21M-1J0iCD2aMq-0001xG; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 19:45:09 +0100 From: Hermann To: orca-list In-Reply-To: <1197044756.12135.8.camel@notebook> References: <1197044756.12135.8.camel@notebook> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 19:45:23 +0100 Message-Id: <1197053123.7847.6.camel@notebook> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18uYbl4n3tg1szFnjrruzYq09aNBlJyroneFBN jDlxczS0jraaKM3MsGJ61zypXb6e03mCa1TsDFc3vCDkXzyo/E UYuTTGf4hJwb5i/qe80lg== Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca starts up the settings dialog with every start X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:45:43 -0000 Hi, I succeeded in fixing the problem: Indeed the additional script was the problem. There's an incorrect line in it, so Orca couldn't start, because it tried to import that customization script. This persisted even after deleting it, because teh entry in user-settings.py still existed. Checking the debug.out pointed me into the right direction, so I deleted the wrong lines. Restarting Orca, confirming my settings brought everything back. Hermann From mwhapples@aim.com Fri Dec 7 20:37:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE0B0750094 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 20:37:09 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.74 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.74 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 8 (1), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [205.188.157.38] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qHlRe++zoC7L for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 20:37:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AB0D7500F6 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 20:36:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mwhapples@aim.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id h.d31.1ec9a4d0 (57881) for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:36:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.64] ([87.112.54.76]) by air-ia04.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILINIA43-e2194759aebf264; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 15:36:29 -0500 Message-ID: <4759AF52.3090209@aim.com> Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 20:38:42 +0000 From: Michael Whapples User-Agent: Thunderbird 3.0a1pre (X11/2007120704) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <1196887853.3483.22.camel@localhost> <20071206185145.GC6926@hittsjunk.net> In-Reply-To: <20071206185145.GC6926@hittsjunk.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 87.112.54.76 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Subject: Re: [orca-list] RealPlayer, firefox and orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 20:37:10 -0000 Kenny Hitt wrote: > Hi. > > I think you are seeing the difference because Firefox is running a realplayer plugin instead of starting realplayer. > > Kenny > > > > I don't think it is the plugin in this case. Firefox said what do you want to do with this file, and gave me the option to save the file or open it (it was just the .ram file which is text linking to the stream) and I selected open with and chose the realplay binary I normally would use if I had the .ram file on my computer. Also I have tried Will's suggestion (replacing the normal realplayer binary with a script to look at the environment settings, and firefox launched that. From Michael Whapples From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Sat Dec 8 11:51:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C7BE7500C5 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 11:51:17 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.183] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q+X3IB4W6mlQ for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 11:51:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA9757500A6 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 11:50:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.178.24] (p57A5BCE6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.165.188.230]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKwtQ-1J0yCh32Wp-0008IG; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 12:50:43 +0100 From: Hermann To: orca-list Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 12:50:42 +0100 Message-Id: <1197114642.25416.9.camel@notebook> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+d3jyEtDqj2dMwQc87bC30mmoo1cMhyvi/pZS PFVAgHwF3ljyz9NV9E9PMAr4zaROa3YNmStMPG0J/6ca3urts8 YAy+mSCTuc+FgzqCQwB2Q== Subject: [orca-list] Again: The orca-customizations script X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 11:51:17 -0000 Hi, after having fixed everything, I went on testing Javier's script, and things getting stranger and stranger. Because Orca controls the caret in FF, I deleted the lines in the script, and that caused the trouble. So I copied the whole script unchanged in ~/.orca/orca-scripts and renamed it to orca-customizations.py. Restarting Orca caused no problems, but the SayTimeAndDate script is not there. Pressing Orca+D causes no respond. Does anybody use this script, and can give me some helpful hints? Hermann From jheim@math.wisc.edu Sat Dec 8 21:15:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 157E57502DB for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 21:15:05 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 10 (beta) (NAT!), (distance 22, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [144.92.197.210] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Kyy+uZwjzD-1 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 21:15:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from adsum.doit.wisc.edu (adsum.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.197.210]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A156D7502BC for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 21:14:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from avs-daemon.smtpauth1.wiscmail.wisc.edu by smtpauth1.wiscmail.wisc.edu (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JSR00L011O8WF00@smtpauth1.wiscmail.wisc.edu> for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 15:14:32 -0600 (CST) Received: from [192.168.1.85] (mdsnwi13-vlan437-17.dsl.tds.net [66.222.31.17]) by smtpauth1.wiscmail.wisc.edu (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JSR00JEB1O7NL10@smtpauth1.wiscmail.wisc.edu> for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 15:14:31 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 15:14:37 -0600 From: John Heim To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-id: <1197148477.855.7.camel@mcgee.johnheim.com> Organization: University of Wisconsin-Madison MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-PmxInfo: Server=avs-9, Version=5.3.3.310218, Antispam-Engine: 2.5.2.313940, Antispam-Data: 2007.12.8.125925, SenderIP=66.222.31.17 Subject: [orca-list] evolution tutorial X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 21:15:05 -0000 How can I learn how to use evolution? I've got it configured to download my mail but I don't know how to get to my Inbox. I know it's downloading my mail because I got to my Inbox once by accident. I have no idea what sequence of keystrokes made that possible though. I've been playing around with it all day and haven't been able to reproduce them. I am sending this via evolution which I am also sure I can do. I even imported the debian root certificates so evolution stopped asking about my cert from cacert.org. So I've made a lot of progress. I just cannot figure out how to get to my mail folders. From Michael.Pedersen@Sun.COM Sat Dec 8 21:37:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB773750190 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 21:37:18 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 10 (beta), (distance 14, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.43.133] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dQCGMxkpt3LB for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 21:37:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (sca-es-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.43.133]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 559557500F7 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 21:36:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lB8LXT6t022943 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 13:33:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JSR000012B0U400@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> (original mail from Michael.Pedersen@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 13:33:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.107] ([24.23.175.3]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JSR00I6H2JT8G30@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com>; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 13:33:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 13:33:39 -0800 From: Mike Pedersen In-reply-to: <1197148477.855.7.camel@mcgee.johnheim.com> Sender: Michael.Pedersen@Sun.COM To: John Heim Message-id: <1197149619.7073.4.camel@P1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <1197148477.855.7.camel@mcgee.johnheim.com> Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] evolution tutorial X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 21:37:19 -0000 Hello John, > How can I learn how to use evolution? I've got it configured to download > my mail but I don't know how to get to my Inbox. I know it's downloading > my mail because I got to my Inbox once by accident. I have no idea what > sequence of keystrokes made that possible though. I've been playing > around with it all day and haven't been able to reproduce them. Normally when you enter evolution you will be on the send/receive button. If you tab once from that point you wil be in a tree view of your folders. After you down arrow to your inbox you can shift+tab back a couple times and see your messages. In order to make evolution easier to use I normaly go to the view menu and enable caret mode and disable the message preview. Hope this helps Mike From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Sat Dec 8 22:36:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD1727500E8 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 22:36:07 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.174] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s9y7R1Oz7v+y for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 22:36:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.174]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 924BD750081 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 22:35:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.178.23] (p57A5BCE6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.165.188.230]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKwh2-1J18Ge38fa-0007ST; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 23:35:30 +0100 Message-ID: <475B1C2D.2070400@onlinehome.de> Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 23:35:25 +0100 From: Hermann User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Pedersen References: <1197148477.855.7.camel@mcgee.johnheim.com> <1197149619.7073.4.camel@P1> In-Reply-To: <1197149619.7073.4.camel@P1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/1W0HH/rpQujoi+LPhYJwDhofbnwsXVwF6UTc dxJRt2FqTakIAKadj+RsRM3WJFv5VhWt3qOiVAsowcSbqwMO3X GsSpRSijc3Xdyy0T5zOKw== Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] evolution tutorial X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 22:36:08 -0000 Hi, I think deactivating message preview is important, because it confuses pretty much; the same in Thunderbird btw. You can also deactivate the tool bar, but not the sidebar, because it contains the folders tree. Hermann From opthofp@xs4all.nl Sun Dec 9 10:04:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CADCA75007B for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 10:04:33 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.999 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: FreeBSD 4.6-4.9 (up: 10027 hrs), (distance 19, link: ethernet/modem), [194.109.24.23] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KBZKc6mkoRL6 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 10:04:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.23]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C646750072 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 10:04:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from TB210433 (a80-126-227-145.adsl.xs4all.nl [80.126.227.145]) by smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id lB9A3x8x020281 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 11:04:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from opthofp@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <001e01c83a4a$f08db9b0$0204090a@tribase.nl> From: "Peter op 't Hof" To: Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 11:04:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Subject: [orca-list] problem with brltty and Open Solaris X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 10:04:34 -0000 Hi listers, Next thursday i have to present Open Solaris with braille and speech to the Dutch departments. >From Sin Microsystems in the Netherlands i have reseived a Toshiba N5 with Open Solaris 70b. I Orca is actevated, but i have no succes activating Brltty with my Tieman Braillvoyager. The rest works fine. What i have discovered is that the autotocking of the USB-device works defferntly with Open Solaris then Ubuntu. In Ubuntu i can plig-in the system and it restarts Brltty and displays the text on the display. With Open Solaris i have tried to start Brltty with and without a SU Root with the only succes that the display gives the message No Screen. A restart of Orca does not work. Last week we (Peter Korn and I) have tried to connect a Alva 640to Open Solaris but ther still is trouble with the plug & Play in the operatingsystem. For Brltty i have tried the following commands in the Gnome-Terminal: brltty -bvo -xno -p usb: -A -n keyfile=none I have not used the following parameters: #braille-parameters Repeat_Init_Delay=120 # [milliseconds] #braille-parameters Repeat_Inter_Delay=60 # [milliseconds] #braille-parameters Dots_Repeat_Init_Delay=500 # [milliseconds] #braille-parameters Dots_Repeat_Inter_Delay=60 # [milliseconds] Since it is Open Solaris do i have to use the native USB-divece-command? I use no dongle between serial and Usb. killall brltty works and there appears a terminated on the display. No lcuk with a restart of Orca and Alt-F2 does not work so i have to ask visual assistance of my wife the start the Run dialogbox and type Orca again or reboot the system. To check the bindings of Python i have used the folloging command: python -c "import brlapi" Could someone help me to get braille to work on Open Solaris? Thanks in advance. Peter op 't Hof. From juanantofb@gmail.com Sun Dec 9 10:52:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AF84750097 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 10:52:46 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 3896 hrs), (distance 16, link: (Google 2)), [66.249.92.172] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p5VyQP4tOFOG for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 10:52:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E82D0750072 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 10:52:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id c2so1500536ugf for ; Sun, 09 Dec 2007 02:52:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.243.13 with SMTP id q13mr5077365ugh.1197197529577; Sun, 09 Dec 2007 02:52:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc1 ( [82.198.106.95]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y37sm2246429iky.2007.12.09.02.52.07 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 09 Dec 2007 02:52:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000c01c83a51$9c725640$0100a8c0@pc1> From: "Juan A Fuentes Bermudez" To: Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 11:52:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C83A59.FCA3C230" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Subject: [orca-list] please help with orca 2.21.2 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 10:52:46 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C83A59.FCA3C230 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello sorry for my english=20 i an run orca 2.21 under ubuntu 7.10 spanish version, it work fine i install 2.21.2 version and orca no load and not run=20 in the readme file say that this version work under gnome 2.21, where i = can download this version or how can update gnome 2.21 under my ubuntu? thank ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C83A59.FCA3C230 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C83A59.FCA3C230-- From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Sun Dec 9 11:24:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 695A7750079 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 11:24:57 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.187] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W3jgenr5MDpb for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 11:24:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E824750085 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 11:24:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from grml (p57A59175.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.165.145.117]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu5) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML25U-1J1KGh0aqf-00045c; Sun, 09 Dec 2007 12:24:19 +0100 Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 12:24:17 +0100 From: Hermann To: Peter op 't Hof Message-ID: <20071209112417.GA7256@grml> References: <001e01c83a4a$f08db9b0$0204090a@tribase.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <001e01c83a4a$f08db9b0$0204090a@tribase.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18BItlncrFB2ucM0KVYXR4I2A0G38e/oMVFDYb 2uln1VVu11Ech0pdsvd3HjLqvcHQI4xInHTyh6cXB20vCChGWC VpbUDCWwuj6BhsSgCogWg== Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] problem with brltty and Open Solaris X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 11:24:57 -0000 Hello Peter, does brltty really use that different syntax to invoke it in Ubuntu and Open Solaris? If the display connected via USB isn't hardware detected, like it is in Ubuntu, try the following command: brltty -b vo -d usb: Notes: 1. Pleas do this in a text console and not in the Gnome terminal. 2. Do it _always_ as root or use the prefix sudo: sudo brltty -b vo -d usb: You have to type your user password. 3. Please _don't_ use "-x no", because you read "no screen", and this causes teh display not to show the screen. Why did you do that? 4. If you wish to have a Dutch braille table, use the following startup command: brltty -b vo -d usb: -t nl (I hope there is one, otherwise use the above commands, you'll get US braille table). 5. I couldn't figure out switches like -p and -n, and don't know what you mean with keyfile? Final note: I may be absolutely wrong, because I don't know Open Solaris at all; so a more enlightened person may correct my writing: But I suggest you to try that out. Hermann -- I use grml (http://grml.org/) From William.Walker@sun.com Sun Dec 9 13:31:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8298275008E for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 13:31:32 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 9, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.43] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dZ+HVp199ANF for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 13:31:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB16D7500E1 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 13:30:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lB9D7DCh023134 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 13:07:13 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JSS00E019LNCK00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for Orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 09 Dec 2007 06:07:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([66.189.39.50]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JSS00F9D9S0AVB0@mail-amer.sun.com>; Sun, 09 Dec 2007 06:07:13 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 08:06:06 -0500 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <001e01c83a4a$f08db9b0$0204090a@tribase.nl> Sender: William.Walker@sun.com To: "Peter op 't Hof" Message-id: <475BE83E.2050800@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <001e01c83a4a$f08db9b0$0204090a@tribase.nl> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071009) Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] problem with brltty and Open Solaris X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 13:31:32 -0000 Hi Peter: I use OpenSolaris with a Baum Vario 40 and a USB-to-serial dongle. The OpenSolaris information at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/Braille reflects what I do on OpenSolaris to get the display working. > With Open Solaris i have tried to start Brltty with and without a SU Root with > the only succes that the display gives the message No Screen. This is probably actually good news -- it looks like BrlTTY is actually working, but Orca is not able to connect to it. This could be that either the Python bindings are not installed or the BrlAPI permissions won't let Orca get to the display. > For Brltty i have tried the following commands in the Gnome-Terminal: > > brltty -bvo -xno -p usb: -A -n keyfile=none From the page above, I use the following command on OpenSolaris: brltty -d /dev/term/0 -bauto -xno -p none -A auth=none -n You might want to try adding -A auth=none to your command line. Based on a 'man brltty', I'm also not quite sure "-p usb:" is the right thing to be doing: "-p" is for setting up the audio device. > To check the bindings of Python i have used the folloging command: > > python -c "import brlapi" If this produces no errors, then the lack of Python bindings for BrlAPI is probably not the problem. I suspect it might be the "-A auth=none" thing. Hope this helps, Will From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Sun Dec 9 15:02:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4115750140 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 15:02:06 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.186] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WcE7up5Klpht for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 15:02:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DFA0750082 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 15:01:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from grml (p57A59175.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.165.145.117]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu5) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML25U-1J1Nej39vI-0004G5; Sun, 09 Dec 2007 16:01:22 +0100 Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 16:01:19 +0100 From: Hermann To: Peter op 't Hof Message-ID: <20071209150119.GA9942@grml> References: <001e01c83a4a$f08db9b0$0204090a@tribase.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <001e01c83a4a$f08db9b0$0204090a@tribase.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18/WcjoOUIxtaTX/z46VbxIOoOXiqHB4lTmEjW N5Q8dJ5iQCCxV5nll3F4YqDKvQqub7Qg827mCpkyShJX8PGmp9 whp2R/nzen9hEJNv26D6g== Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] problem with brltty and Open Solaris X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 15:02:07 -0000 Additional notes: I checked the help files more closeley and found the switches I didn't know: -n = no-daemon - stay in the foreground -p = set up pcm-device, I think that's speech related. The brailletable is invoked with -t, and -A requires an argument (don't know when this is useful, I never needed it). Hermann -- I use grml (http://grml.org/) From mwhapples@aim.com Sun Dec 9 22:44:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 015A1750109 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 22:44:42 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 8 (1), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [205.188.157.38] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b7XHnAPVfAbG for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 22:44:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2BA375008F for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 22:44:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mwhapples@aim.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id h.c20.27e38a84 (57882) for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 17:44:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.64] ([87.112.54.76]) by air-ia04.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILINIA44-e21a475c6fad37e; Sun, 09 Dec 2007 17:44:00 -0500 From: Michael Whapples To: orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <475BE83E.2050800@sun.com> References: <001e01c83a4a$f08db9b0$0204090a@tribase.nl> <475BE83E.2050800@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 22:46:25 +0000 Message-Id: <1197240385.3493.12.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 87.112.54.76 Subject: Re: [orca-list] problem with brltty and Open Solaris X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 22:44:42 -0000 Hello, To explain about the key file for authentication, you just need a file /etc/brlapi.key which just needs some contents. Now all you need to do is change the permissions to allow only the users you wish to use brltty's api (brlapi). For example if you only want some people to access it, create a group "brltty" and change the group of /etc/brlapi.key to "brltty", change the permissions to -rw-r----- and add the users who should be able to use it to the group "brltty". If you should want to let anyone access it, set the permissions to -rw-r--r--. As others have said, if you get some message (even if it is not the text from the screen) appear on your braille display then brltty is running and it is problems with orca successfully using brltty through brlapi. If you got no error with your python command to import brlapi python bindings then it is going to be a problem with the authentication and if you follow the above (or tell brltty not to use any authentication) then it should work. From Michael Whapples On Sun, 2007-12-09 at 08:06 -0500, Willie Walker wrote: > Hi Peter: > > I use OpenSolaris with a Baum Vario 40 and a USB-to-serial dongle. The > OpenSolaris information at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/Braille reflects > what I do on OpenSolaris to get the display working. > > > With Open Solaris i have tried to start Brltty with and without a SU Root with > > the only succes that the display gives the message No Screen. > > This is probably actually good news -- it looks like BrlTTY is actually > working, but Orca is not able to connect to it. This could be that > either the Python bindings are not installed or the BrlAPI permissions > won't let Orca get to the display. > > > For Brltty i have tried the following commands in the Gnome-Terminal: > > > > brltty -bvo -xno -p usb: -A -n keyfile=none > > From the page above, I use the following command on OpenSolaris: > > brltty -d /dev/term/0 -bauto -xno -p none -A auth=none -n > > You might want to try adding -A auth=none to your command line. Based > on a 'man brltty', I'm also not quite sure "-p usb:" is the right thing > to be doing: "-p" is for setting up the audio device. > > > To check the bindings of Python i have used the folloging command: > > > > python -c "import brlapi" > > If this produces no errors, then the lack of Python bindings for BrlAPI > is probably not the problem. I suspect it might be the "-A auth=none" > thing. > > > > Hope this helps, > > Will > From mwhapples@aim.com Sun Dec 9 23:01:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B74775008F for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 23:01:07 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 8 (1), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [205.188.157.38] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 968GwQTzJ218 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 23:01:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD22A750073 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 23:00:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mwhapples@aim.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id o.d24.18b3f59a (57879); Sun, 9 Dec 2007 18:00:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.64] ([87.112.54.76]) by air-ia04.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILINIA41-e217475c737d358; Sun, 09 Dec 2007 18:00:19 -0500 From: Michael Whapples To: Juan A Fuentes Bermudez In-Reply-To: <000c01c83a51$9c725640$0100a8c0@pc1> References: <000c01c83a51$9c725640$0100a8c0@pc1> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 23:02:42 +0000 Message-Id: <1197241362.6632.11.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 87.112.54.76 Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] please help with orca 2.21.2 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 23:01:07 -0000 Could you do one of the following: 1. Start gnome-terminal (you can do this by pressing alt+f2 and then typing gnome-terminal and then pressing enter). from here just run orca (by typing orca and pressing enter). What error messages do you get? Or (particularly if you can't read the errors coming out using method one) 2. start gnome-terminal (as in 1.). Now start orca but redirecting the error output to a file (by typing something like orca 2>orca-errors and then pressing enter). Send this file orca-errors. Even before you send these I have a couple of suggestions: Are you sure it is 2.21 (2 dot 21) which comes with ubuntu? Normally the version numbers have three parts, could it have been 2.20.1 (2 dot 20 dot 1)? I don't know what version it relates to but, recently orca has had a couple of extra dependencies (eg. pyat-spi). Does installing pyat-spi help? From Michael Whapples On Sun, 2007-12-09 at 11:52 +0100, Juan A Fuentes Bermudez wrote: > hello > > sorry for my english > > i an run orca 2.21 under ubuntu 7.10 spanish version, it work fine > > i install 2.21.2 version and orca no load and not run > > in the readme file say that this version work under gnome 2.21, where > i can download this version or how can update gnome 2.21 under my > ubuntu? > > thank From researchbase@gmail.com Mon Dec 10 12:00:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B723A750195 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:00:39 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.522 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_DP=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 5923 hrs), (distance 13, link: (Google 2)), [209.85.146.177] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IEoCNOEoiH0R for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:00:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.177]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5878A7502A8 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:00:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j4so3337297wah for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 04:00:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.115.79.1 with SMTP id g1mr511492wal.1197288007786; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 04:00:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.67.10 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 04:00:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:30:02 +0530 From: "krishnakant Mane" To: Orca-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [orca-list] need help with orca dependencies, can't build-dep without internet. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:00:39 -0000 hello all, I am aware that to build orca from source under ubuntu, the following command is needed to set the build environment right. sudo apt-get build-dep gnome-orca. however this only works when there is internet connection with good bandwidth. I often go to rural areas of India where there is little or no internet connectivity. now I can't give the above command if I were to build orce from source. I have found a work around this by creating an apt-on cd where all the packages on my laptop are already present. but the problem here is that when I add this cd in my repos whith sudo apt-cdrom add and then do the build-dep gnome-orca, the system still tends to search for the internet repos and thus can't do any thing. so now I am requesting other friends on the list to either provide me the exact list of the packages to be installed using sudo apt-get install or provide me a tar.bz2 or gz with all the deb packages which I can just install with sudo dpkg -i *.deb in a single folder. I can do with just the packages names because I already have the apt-on cd ready and sudo apt-get install xxx will just do fine I suppose. if there is any other solution then please let me know. actually the advantage of the latter approach of keeping all the packages.deb in a single folder is that one need not worry of apt-get install. Please help me to help others who need it. regards, Krishnakant. From rudolf@faveve.uni-stuttgart.de Mon Dec 10 13:09:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F90075022E for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:09:22 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (up: 4147 hrs), (distance 22, link: ethernet/modem), [129.69.139.20] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Zab6gDMYBvAK for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:09:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from octopus.faveve.uni-stuttgart.de (octopus.faveve.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.139.20]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 043F675021B for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:08:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from asgard.faveve.uni-stuttgart.de ([129.69.139.22]) by octopus.faveve.uni-stuttgart.de with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1J1iND-0002yJ-Sb; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:08:48 +0100 Received: from rudolf by asgard.faveve.uni-stuttgart.de with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1J1iND-0003iJ-Kc; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:08:39 +0100 Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:08:39 +0100 From: Rudolf Weeber To: krishnakant Mane Message-ID: <20071210130839.GA14083@faveve.uni-stuttgart.de> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-FaVeVe-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] need help with orca dependencies, can't build-dep without internet. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:09:22 -0000 Hi, On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 05:30:02PM +0530, krishnakant Mane wrote: > I am aware that to build orca from source under ubuntu, the following > command is needed to set the build environment right. > sudo apt-get build-dep gnome-orca. > however this only works when there is internet connection with good bandwidth. [...] > if there is any other solution then please let me know. > actually the advantage of the latter approach of keeping all the > packages.deb in a single folder is that one need not worry of apt-get > install. When you have internet connection do apt-get source gnome-orca to download thwe source files. Then open gnome-orca_something.dsc and look for the build-depends line. There you'll find all packaes orca depends on. An other possibility is to do sudo apt-get --dry-run build-dep gnome-orca >requiredpackages.txt This will output a list of packages that would need to be installed into requiredpackages.txt. This method has the advantage, that dependencies of the build-dependencies are included - and probably even in the correct order. I'm sure, there's also a so a solution to your CD-Rom problem - you could for instance manually edit /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out all network package sources - but I can't give you details for that. Hope, that helps. Rudolf From kenny@hittsjunk.net Mon Dec 10 13:32:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAAB67501D3 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:32:52 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.801 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [33182:52:1:64:M1412, N, N, T, N, W1, N, N, S:.:?:?] (up: 3451 hrs), (link: sometimes DSL (3)), [204.127.217.105] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rPW+YfgW984I for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:32:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fmailhost05.isp.att.net (fmailhost05.isp.att.net [204.127.217.105]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB3F77500B0 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:32:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from blackbox (adsl-068-209-203-174.sip.hsv.bellsouth.net[68.209.203.174]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc05) with ESMTP id <20071210133219H0500crtqke>; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:32:20 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [68.209.203.174] Received: from kenny by blackbox with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J1ik7-0008Ae-NX for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 07:32:19 -0600 Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 07:32:19 -0600 From: Kenny Hitt To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20071210133219.GA4270@hittsjunk.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) Subject: Re: [orca-list] need help with orca dependencies, can't build-dep without internet. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:32:52 -0000 Hi. Why don't you just comment out the lines in /etc/apt/sources.list that refer to internet URLS? Then, apt should only search the CD. Kenny From researchbase@gmail.com Mon Dec 10 18:45:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A929175007B for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:45:49 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 5990 hrs), (distance 13, link: (Google 2)), [209.85.146.176] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Idvy4HpbBWc4 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:45:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.176]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25949750192 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:45:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j4so3527138wah for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:45:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.193.1 with SMTP id q1mr4095428waf.1197312314583; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:45:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.67.10 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:45:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 00:15:14 +0530 From: "krishnakant Mane" To: orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20071210133219.GA4270@hittsjunk.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20071210133219.GA4270@hittsjunk.net> Subject: Re: [orca-list] need help with orca dependencies, can't build-dep without internet. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:45:49 -0000 hello kenni, commenting out the lines in sources.lst does not help. I will try what rudolf suggested and then let the list know. but in any case if none of them success please send me a tar ball of the dependencies as an attachment off the list if that is possible, or at least a file containing the debs to be installed. I am requesting this because I will be leaving for a village school in some hours where there is no internet what so ever. so this is my last chance. regards, Krishnakant. On 10/12/2007, Kenny Hitt wrote: > Hi. > > Why don't you just comment out the lines in /etc/apt/sources.list that refer > to internet URLS? > Then, apt should only search the CD. > > Kenny > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > From erbizionostro@tiscali.it Tue Dec 11 09:12:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B55337500A7 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:12:20 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Score: 2.285 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=2.285 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_80=2, MSGID_NO_HOST=0.285] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 306 hrs), (distance 18, link: ethernet/modem), [85.18.95.72] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FDEEWHGuofIr for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:12:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from aa012msr.fastwebnet.it (aa012msr.fastwebnet.it [85.18.95.72]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4725750084 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:11:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fabry.tiscali.it (23.250.31.141) by aa012msr.fastwebnet.it (7.3.118.6) id 4720635903864EF1 for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:11:47 +0100 Message-ID: <4720635903864EF1@> (added by postmaster@aa012msr.fastwebnet.it) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:11:43 +0100 To: orca-list@gnome.org From: Fabrizio Marini Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [orca-list] Accessible login. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:12:21 -0000 Hi all. I followed the instructions submitted by Brien Camerun, but, when log in screen comes up, i don't hear anything from my speech synthesizer and nothing appears on my Braille display. I only know it's time to enter log in informations because of the log in sound (question.wav by default). Do I have to do something else to have a fully accessible log in screen? If you want, I can post my configuration files. If so, please tell me which ones to post, cause in /etc/gdm/modules there are 4 files whose content is not comprehensible for me. Thank you for your help and Have a nice day. Fabrizio, aka Bizio. From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Tue Dec 11 14:39:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 724EC7500B0 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:39:34 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.74 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.74 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.183] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id menakSrCS55k for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:39:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46B5D7501BE for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:38:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from grml (p57A5B569.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.165.181.105]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKwpI-1J26A80nh2-0007BG; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:32:45 +0100 Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:32:40 +0100 From: Hermann To: Fabrizio Marini Message-ID: <20071211143240.GA11585@grml> References: <4720635903864EF1@> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4720635903864EF1@> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19/xHA/h/gocTJjZLM0Zxp2G96e66fv7v4dBgF 4GqmUywj6t9QJ/HV1Mggu3CCmMB+wBzdF0iASNgNmxANrdFTfN 7f4iElaAiHQoWVJFQtxKQ== Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessible login. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:39:34 -0000 Hello Fabrizio, I've experienced the same, and the only solution I found was to repeat the keystroke twice. Speech didn't start, but the braille display appears, and you can type into the login form. However: I had to repeat the Orca startup command in order to use it. After the first login I heard the welcom message and nothing else happens. In the end I went back to the standard settings, because I think there's little use in this procedure. If you are trained in typing, it should be no problem to type username and password blindly; i find it much quicker and more convenient. BTW.: Even with the standard login procedure it happens sometimes that Orca doesn't speak after the welcome message. I couldn't figure out the reason why (it's not reproducable). I use Ubuntu Gutsy and Orca 2.20.2 with braille and speech (Espeak with Speech-dispatcher). Hermann -- I use grml (http://grml.org/) From William.Walker@Sun.COM Tue Dec 11 17:17:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A0B77500AD for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:17:15 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 9, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.34] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q3lgj1MZnZqA for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:17:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20450750077 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:16:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lBBHGdho000027 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:16:39 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JSW00D019O6GW00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:16:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([66.189.39.50]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JSW0016WANISGD0@mail-amer.sun.com>; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:16:31 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:15:19 -0500 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <1197114642.25416.9.camel@notebook> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Hermann Message-id: <475EC5A7.3040407@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <1197114642.25416.9.camel@notebook> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071119) Cc: orca-list Subject: Re: [orca-list] Again: The orca-customizations script X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:17:15 -0000 Hi Hermann: I'm not sure I understand everything you're doing. What are the contents of your ~/.orca directory hierarchy now (i.e., what *.py files are there and what do they do)? The orca-customizations.py script is meant to just be a file very similar to user-settings.py, but it doesn't get overwritten when you update your preferences via the preferences GUI. Will Hermann wrote: > Hi, > after having fixed everything, I went on testing Javier's script, and > things getting stranger and stranger. > Because Orca controls the caret in FF, I deleted the lines in the > script, and that caused the trouble. > So I copied the whole script unchanged in ~/.orca/orca-scripts and > renamed it to orca-customizations.py. > Restarting Orca caused no problems, but the SayTimeAndDate script is not > there. Pressing Orca+D causes no respond. > Does anybody use this script, and can give me some helpful hints? > Hermann > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From opthofp@xs4all.nl Tue Dec 11 21:28:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EFAC750077 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:28:40 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.999 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: FreeBSD 4.6-4.9 (up: 10086 hrs), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [194.109.24.27] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id euaBo7by8ICN for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:28:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.27]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D06D7500C0 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:28:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from TB210433 (a80-126-227-145.adsl.xs4all.nl [80.126.227.145]) by smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id lBBLSXWx077319 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:28:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from opthofp@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <02b001c83c3c$e136d2f0$0404090a@tribase.nl> From: "Peter op 't Hof" To: Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:29:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Subject: [orca-list] brltty on open solaris X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:28:40 -0000 Dear listers, Thanks already Bram, Herman and Willie. I have tried the following command as rood and as user: brltty -bauto -xno -d usb: -p none -A keyfile=none,auth=none -n I think i have to set -p to none because i do not want to reroute to an external speechsynthesizer. Unfortunately i get a file not found when using the keyfile. Do i really have to use a keyfile. Also i thought i have to use vo for Voyager instead of auto. I think the problem is that the Usb in Solaris does not want to discover a P&P Usb device. I can use that trick on Ubuntu. I try it again tomorrow. Is anyone willing to Skype me next evening? My Skype-account is: hofcomware Thanks in advance. Peter. From bram@bramd.nl Tue Dec 11 22:22:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4397C750077 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:22:21 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.74 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.74 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 10310 hrs), (distance 18, link: ethernet/modem), [212.79.238.163] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4OXQTyexVjPn for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:22:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dt01.rbts.nl (dt01.rbts.nl [212.79.238.163]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CE947500A9 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:22:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (dt01.rbts.nl [127.0.0.1]) by dt01.rbts.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5E0FE533C; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:22:53 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at rbts.nl Received: from dt01.rbts.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dt01.rbts.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id koYly8+f22BP; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:22:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.12] (92-181.surfsnel.dsl.internl.net [145.99.181.92]) by dt01.rbts.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F5DEE533B; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:22:51 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <475F0D90.3070700@bramd.nl> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:22:08 +0100 From: Bram Duvigneau User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter op 't Hof References: <02b001c83c3c$e136d2f0$0404090a@tribase.nl> In-Reply-To: <02b001c83c3c$e136d2f0$0404090a@tribase.nl> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030908080709090100010606" Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] brltty on open solaris X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:22:21 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030908080709090100010606 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Peter, Peter op 't Hof wrote: > I have tried the following command as rood and as user: > > brltty -bauto -xno -d usb: -p none -A keyfile=none,auth=none -n I think you could leave the keyfile out, because it isn't needed when auth=none anyway. Also you could change -bauto to -bvo, to be sure that brltty uses the correct braille driver. > I try it again tomorrow. > > Is anyone willing to Skype me next evening? You can call me at my gsm tomorrow if you need some help. I'll be online at skype also most of the time. Good luck, Bram --------------030908080709090100010606 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name="bram.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="bram.vcf" begin:vcard fn:Bram Duvigneau n:Duvigneau;Bram email;internet:bram@bramd.nl tel;cell:+31641811532 x-mozilla-html:FALSE version:2.1 end:vcard --------------030908080709090100010606-- From jdashiel@shellworld.net Wed Dec 12 00:34:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D19037500C0 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 00:34:14 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.999 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: FreeBSD 4.6-4.9 (up: 15 hrs), (distance 12, link: ethernet/modem), [209.61.182.169] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Eh6dWl14erky for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 00:34:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from server2.shellworld.net (shellworld.net [209.61.182.169]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEB84750083 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 00:34:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from server2.shellworld.net (jdashiel@server2.shellworld.net [209.61.182.169]) by server2.shellworld.net (8.13.1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id lBC0Y8km044532; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 00:34:08 GMT (envelope-from jdashiel@shellworld.net) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:34:08 -0600 (CST) From: Jude DaShiell To: Juan A Fuentes Bermudez In-Reply-To: <000c01c83a51$9c725640$0100a8c0@pc1> Message-ID: References: <000c01c83a51$9c725640$0100a8c0@pc1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] please help with orca 2.21.2 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 00:34:15 -0000 Get speech going or get sighted assistance. Get a gnome terminal and sudo -i for a command and key in the password you used to sign into your normal account. That'll get you root# access. Examine /etc/apt/sources.list and where you find lines that have deb or deb-src on them that start with a "#" remove that "#" sign those were commented lines unless you've already done this and save the file and get back to root prompt. Then type aptitude update for a command and wait until your root prompt returns. Then type aptitude dist-upgrade for a command and wait. It will ask you if you want to continue and your response is yes at this point if you've never done this before. Wait, it will take a while. When the root# prompt returns, type halt -p and your system will shut down. Leave it off for a minute then start it up again. You've just learned how to update your system using aptitude and gnome-terminal. On Sun, 9 Dec 2007, Juan A Fuentes Bermudez wrote: > hello > > sorry for my english > > i an run orca 2.21 under ubuntu 7.10 spanish version, it work fine > > i install 2.21.2 version and orca no load and not run > > in the readme file say that this version work under gnome 2.21, where i can download this version or how can update gnome 2.21 under my ubuntu? > > thank From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Wed Dec 12 09:20:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 559FE75016C for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:20:01 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.174] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fTsPyIBU5K-C for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:19:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.174]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 911CF7500BC for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:19:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from grml (p57A5B58C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.165.181.140]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKwtQ-1J2Nkt3SgM-0003HD; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:19:52 +0100 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:19:53 +0100 From: Hermann To: Willie Walker Message-ID: <20071212091953.GB4948@grml> References: <1197114642.25416.9.camel@notebook> <475EC5A7.3040407@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <475EC5A7.3040407@sun.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/vSdYscK6ZjuKFHrtGHl11iPju6JXlo1H3m7J StO2AOgO/732xsRDUHPhQ3XEDGO8zVbKU18UKukDbS8wAUPdjE NGHSB86MYi7swfLVJbnSw== Cc: orca-list Subject: Re: [orca-list] Again: The orca-customizations script X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:20:01 -0000 My .orca folder contains two directories: app-settings and orca-scripts. Furthermore user-settings.py and .pyc and __init__.py and .pyc, that are also in every subdirectory. I copied orca-customizations to .orca/orca-scripts/orca-customizations.py. I downloaded the script from: http://descargas.tiflolinux.org/ Hermann -- I use grml (http://grml.org/) From William.Walker@Sun.COM Wed Dec 12 16:25:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50EC07500FB for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:25:14 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 9, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.34] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cW75vG1xa5R3 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:25:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E8027500F9 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:25:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lBCGP589002202 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:25:05 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JSY00J011JWMM00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:25:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([66.189.39.50]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JSY008JM2XC89D0@mail-amer.sun.com>; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:24:49 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:23:36 -0500 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <20071212091953.GB4948@grml> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Hermann Message-id: <47600B08.7090000@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <1197114642.25416.9.camel@notebook> <475EC5A7.3040407@sun.com> <20071212091953.GB4948@grml> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071119) Cc: orca-list Subject: Re: [orca-list] Again: The orca-customizations script X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:25:14 -0000 Hi Hermann: I just tried Javier's script -- all I did was copy it to ~/.orca/orca-customizations.py and it worked. So, now, for how to go about debugging what might be happening on your machine. My only guess is that it might be a typo in the orca-customizations.py file. :-( In your ~/.orca/user-settings.py, uncomment these two lines (they are near each other, but not next to each other): orca.debug.debugLevel = orca.debug.LEVEL_ALL orca.debug.debugFile = open('debug.out', 'w', 0) Instead of 'debug.out', you might want to use '/tmp/debug.out' so you know exactly where the file will be. Then, run orca from a terminal window or virtual console like so: orca > /tmp/orca.out 2>&1 Then, try Orca+d and then quit Orca. Send me the /tmp/debug.out and /tmp/orca.out files and I will look at them. Please also send me your ~/.orca/orca-customizations.py file and I will look at it and also try it out. Thanks! Will Hermann wrote: > My .orca folder contains two directories: app-settings and orca-scripts. > Furthermore user-settings.py and .pyc and __init__.py and .pyc, that are > also in every subdirectory. > I copied orca-customizations to > .orca/orca-scripts/orca-customizations.py. > I downloaded the script from: > http://descargas.tiflolinux.org/ > Hermann > From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Wed Dec 12 16:53:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C5FE750079 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:53:48 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.183] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A6tPZ2FHi2ZF for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:53:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C29C7501A4 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:53:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from grml (p57A5B58C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.165.181.140]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKxQS-1J2Uq02gKd-0004Il; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:53:37 +0100 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:53:37 +0100 From: Hermann To: Willie Walker Message-ID: <20071212165337.GA8252@grml> References: <1197114642.25416.9.camel@notebook> <475EC5A7.3040407@sun.com> <20071212091953.GB4948@grml> <47600B08.7090000@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <47600B08.7090000@sun.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+HgtMM3KJNc9vHRbSWvRoG3Fu1ohK1CeNyJQ8 Ci3a4eWbOY+Q8hj/1sIpAcCkt4WcoOAwaK9jEPMBvhzfM+Xkxl 6qRUsapHSOg5mxx7rW3cg== Cc: orca-list Subject: Re: [orca-list] Again: The orca-customizations script X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:53:48 -0000 Hi Will, thank you for your help, but in the meantime I figured out what was wrong: Placing the file into ~/.orca is the right way as you explained. I Thought I have to place it into the orca-scripts subfolder, because it is an additional Orca script. One small problem remains: It contains two scripts, one that switches the caret tracking in FF to Orca-control, and the second that says time and date by pressing Orca+d; the second one is what I need. Caret tracking by Orca is implemented as standard behavior. So I commented out the first lines, but this results in a loop where the Orca settings get started every time, and then the program freezes. What can be the reason for this? Note: It's not really disturbing, but why invoking the same procedure twice? Hermann -- I use grml (http://grml.org/) From William.Walker@Sun.COM Wed Dec 12 18:08:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C29E375012E for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:08:02 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 9, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.34] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7Ln-SYiEhfwZ for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:07:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF34275008A for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:07:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lBCI7uuX022525 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:07:56 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JSY00M0176PWQ00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:07:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([66.189.39.50]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JSY00KFP7OZIZE0@mail-amer.sun.com>; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:07:48 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:06:35 -0500 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <20071212165337.GA8252@grml> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Hermann Message-id: <4760232B.70400@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <1197114642.25416.9.camel@notebook> <475EC5A7.3040407@sun.com> <20071212091953.GB4948@grml> <47600B08.7090000@sun.com> <20071212165337.GA8252@grml> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071119) Cc: orca-list Subject: Re: [orca-list] Again: The orca-customizations script X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:08:03 -0000 Hi Hermann: At this point, I think I need to see your ~/.orca/user-settings.py and ~/.orca/orca-customizations.py files. The fact that the Orca settings dialog appears every time leads me to believe there might be a typo in one of them. Can you please send them to me? Will Hermann wrote: > Hi Will, > thank you for your help, but in the meantime I figured out what was > wrong: > Placing the file into ~/.orca is the right way as you explained. I > Thought I have to place it into the orca-scripts subfolder, because it > is an additional Orca script. > One small problem remains: It contains two scripts, one that switches the > caret tracking in FF to Orca-control, and the second that says time and > date by pressing Orca+d; the second one is what I need. > Caret tracking by Orca is implemented as standard behavior. So I > commented out the first lines, but this results in a loop where the Orca > settings get started every time, and then the program freezes. What can > be the reason for this? > Note: It's not really disturbing, but why invoking the same procedure > twice? > Hermann > From aridamoulakis@gmail.com Wed Dec 12 18:17:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DFB4750108 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:17:17 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 11188 hrs), (distance 17, link: (Google 2)), [64.233.182.191] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xpfZH2mHrVXY for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:17:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.191]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DF4775015B for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:17:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f5so257412nfh.23 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:17:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.82.152.16 with SMTP id z16mr2552844bud.17.1197483429008; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:17:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from youra96ff3c4a6 ( [41.243.103.234]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i6sm2659943gve.2007.12.12.10.17.06 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:17:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00dc01c83ceb$2e81f8b0$0600000a@youra96ff3c4a6> From: "ari" To: Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:16:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Subject: [orca-list] Orca install X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:17:17 -0000 Hi all, Is Ubuntu the only distro where a blind person can use Orca during the installation, are there any other options? I have no braille displays or things like that, are there any other distros that enable an easy independent installation with Orca? Thanks Ari From opthofp@xs4all.nl Wed Dec 12 19:59:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE367500FD for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:59:38 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.999 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: FreeBSD 4.6-4.9 (up: 10109 hrs), (distance 19, link: ethernet/modem), [194.109.24.24] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sxMyIhPnpCIV for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:59:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.24]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E7197500EC for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:59:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from TB210433 (a80-126-227-145.adsl.xs4all.nl [80.126.227.145]) by smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id lBCJxRsE030613; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:59:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from opthofp@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <001001c83cf9$a5118050$0304090a@tribase.nl> From: "Peter op 't Hof" To: Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:00:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Subject: [orca-list] seccess with brltty and open solaris X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:59:39 -0000 Dear listers, With the following comaand i am able to activate my Voyager with Open Solaris: \ brltty -bvo -d usb: -xno -p none -A auth=none -n I would like to thank Bram for his help an d we suggest that in the next distribution of Open Solaris there will be a keyfile for braille included as well as a Hotplog for USB equal to Linux. We do not know how the subsystem has te be handeld for this. Also could we discuss about sounddrivers for multisound under Solaris? The last thing we think about is adding a braille-preference to the Orca-menu, so you do not have to start BRLTTY by hand. Keep up the good work. Peter. From William.Walker@Sun.COM Wed Dec 12 20:19:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EB56750079 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:19:09 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 9, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.34] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GxAYwuh3Dh10 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:19:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E24075007F for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:19:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lBCKJ4xL000591 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:19:04 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JSY00201CLSWX00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:19:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([66.189.39.50]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JSY005NQDRN4OF0@mail-amer.sun.com>; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:18:59 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:17:47 -0500 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <001001c83cf9$a5118050$0304090a@tribase.nl> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: "Peter op 't Hof" Message-id: <476041EB.6000908@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <001001c83cf9$a5118050$0304090a@tribase.nl> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071119) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] seccess with brltty and open solaris X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:19:09 -0000 Peter op 't Hof wrote: > Dear listers, > > With the following comaand i am able to activate my Voyager with Open Solaris: > \ > brltty -bvo -d usb: -xno -p none -A auth=none -n Yeah! Just to compare this with the command given on the Orca WIKI (command line options rearranged to make for easier comparison): brltty -d usb: -bvo -xno -p none -A auth=none -n brltty -d /dev/term/0 -bauto -xno -p none -A auth=none -n The two differences are the -d and -b options. In Peter's, the -d specifies a usb: device and the -b specifies the specific braille display. Peter - can you please try the following command and see if BrlTTY will autodetect your display? If so, we can add the "-d usb:" line to the WIKI: brltty -d usb: -bauto -xno -p none -A auth=none -n Thanks! Will From opthofp@xs4all.nl Wed Dec 12 20:32:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41FF37500E9 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:32:03 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.999 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: FreeBSD 4.6-4.9 (up: 10109 hrs), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [194.109.24.30] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sXt8C+YLzV7J for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:31:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.30]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0957875007D for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:31:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from TB210433 (a80-126-227-145.adsl.xs4all.nl [80.126.227.145]) by smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id lBCKVu0w094045 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:31:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from opthofp@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <001101c83cfe$2cc86730$0304090a@tribase.nl> From: "Peter op 't Hof" To: Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:32:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Subject: [orca-list] success with brltty on open solaris X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:32:03 -0000 Willie, That was the first command i have tried. The display is comming up but stays on the message No Screen. With my vergion of the command i can activate the display through a reload of the preferences of Orca. What i am now searching for is the level of startup i have to use to activate Brltty automaticly after a restart of the system. With Ubuntu sometimes it happen that Brltty is loaded twice. With Open Solaris it would be nice to have Brltty already started. Just some thoughts. Think about me when i have the demo tomorrow. It could be that i find an other job with that action, so thanks all for the great assistance. I hope Sun Microsystems in the Netherlands will take me away from my current work at the railway-firm i am now working for as a procesmanager. ICT rules above ITIL, is my humble opinion. Greetings, Peter. From wvdwalt@csir.co.za Thu Dec 13 07:07:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63B43750079 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:07:10 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.81 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.81 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.611, BAYES_50=0.001, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [S4:46:1:60:M1380,N,N,T,N,W7:.:?:?] (NAT!) (up: 1173 hrs), (link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [146.64.10.99] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R7VwGqmCDGCp for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:07:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from apollo.csir.co.za (mx-4.csir.co.za [146.64.10.99]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E6AB75007F for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:07:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([146.64.19.125]) by apollo.csir.co.za (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBD76TQg030026; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:06:29 +0200 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBD7974R015329; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:09:07 +0200 Received: from localhost (wvdwalt@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id lBD796BP015312; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:09:06 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: wvdwalt owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:09:06 +0200 (SAST) From: Willem van der Walt X-X-Sender: wvdwalt@localhost.localdomain To: ari In-Reply-To: <00dc01c83ceb$2e81f8b0$0600000a@youra96ff3c4a6> Message-ID: References: <00dc01c83ceb$2e81f8b0$0600000a@youra96ff3c4a6> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-CSIR-MailScanner-Information: Please contact sys-admin at csir dot co dot za for more information X-CSIR-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-CSIR-MailScanner-SpamScore: ss X-MailScanner-From: wvdwalt@csir.co.za Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca install X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:07:10 -0000 Ubuntu is by far the easyest. Regards, Willem On Wed, 12 Dec 2007, ari wrote: > Hi all, > Is Ubuntu the only distro where a blind person can use Orca during the > installation, are there any other options? I have no braille displays or > things like that, are there any other distros that enable an easy > independent installation with Orca? > Thanks > Ari > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > -- This message is subject to the CSIR's copyright terms and conditions, e-mail legal notice, and implemented Open Document Format (ODF) standard. The full disclaimer details can be found at http://www.csir.co.za/disclaimer.html. This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. MailScanner thanks Transtec Computers for their support. From daxlinux@gmail.com Thu Dec 13 15:13:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3080475008A for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:13:26 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (Google crawlbot) (firewall!) 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( [76.182.4.152]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h37sm14099106wxd.2007.12.13.07.13.10 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:13:11 -0800 (PST) From: Lorenzo Taylor To: orca-list Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:13:08 -0500 Message-Id: <1197558788.20211.4.camel@taylor.homelinux.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.21.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] orca, eSpeak and pulseaudio X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:13:26 -0000 To any pulseaudio users out there: what is the best way to get eSpeak via orca to output to pulseaudio? I can use padsp for eSpeak itself, but that doesn't seem to work for orca. I even tried moving espeak-synthesis-driver and calling it with padsp from a script called espeak-synthesis-driver, but I have no luck. Orca watchdog detected something bad and killed orca with no speech of any kind. If there is any way to make this work, I would appreciate any help. Thanks, Lorenzo From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Thu Dec 13 15:41:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75C9C75007E for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:41:32 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.183] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dcxbKw+0qulH for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:41:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E63067500DB for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:41:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from grml (p57A5B8A3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.165.184.163]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML21M-1J2qBd3iVc-0007SE; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:41:22 +0100 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:41:25 +0100 From: Hermann To: Lorenzo Taylor Message-ID: <20071213154125.GA4955@grml> References: <1197558788.20211.4.camel@taylor.homelinux.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1197558788.20211.4.camel@taylor.homelinux.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19SLdy+c+Trfu0vMjSWl3ayEISqYJkiqEMsZ76 21KCt4NynDVohp+Erze2huc2jwzZ+rcL0aWX41Vh3pgLcyq5kH eROZrwHdus6Nz1k+htSRw== Cc: orca-list Subject: Re: [orca-list] orca, eSpeak and pulseaudio X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:41:32 -0000 The latest Speech-dispatcher supports Pulseaudio. However it's not in the Ubuntu repository till now. The Espeak module can be used with Pulseaudio (not Espeak-Generic). One question: What is Pulseaudio good for, and why is it better than Alsa? Hermann -- I use grml (http://grml.org/) From mwhapples@aim.com Fri Dec 14 11:05:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3152C7500F7 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:05:06 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 8 (1), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [64.12.137.11] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DjHNQ8yrVdDq for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:04:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imo-m19.mx.aol.com (imo-m19.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.11]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91C3875018D for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:04:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mwhapples@aim.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id o.c0e.1df4bec2 (57880); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 06:03:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.64] ([87.112.54.76]) by air-ia04.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILINIA42-e2184762630618c; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 06:03:35 -0500 From: Michael Whapples To: ari In-Reply-To: <00dc01c83ceb$2e81f8b0$0600000a@youra96ff3c4a6> References: <00dc01c83ceb$2e81f8b0$0600000a@youra96ff3c4a6> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:06:12 +0000 Message-Id: <1197630372.3586.56.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 87.112.54.76 Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca install X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:05:06 -0000 While many may not like this, as it uses speakup in a text console, you could try using GRML. For that you don't need a braille display or hardware synthesiser as it comes with all the stuff to use speakup with a software synth. Just use the swspeak option at the boot menu (IE. a command such as grml swspeak ) and then when it is loaded (I think it tells you) you just need to run the command swspeak I understand that GRML can be installed to the hard disk, and once installed it is possible to install gnome and orca, although you may find that for some tasks the text console is better/faster, although if you are familiar with GUIs only then getting used to a command line environment may be a little work. I just like giving people the options, and I feel GRML certainly is worth mentioning if the question is really more about how can Linux be installed without specialist hardware. From Michael Whapples On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 20:16 +0200, ari wrote: > Hi all, > Is Ubuntu the only distro where a blind person can use Orca during the > installation, are there any other options? I have no braille displays or > things like that, are there any other distros that enable an easy > independent installation with Orca? > Thanks > Ari > > > From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Fri Dec 14 11:07:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5023D750088 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:07:17 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.187] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bo2-Mav4pHQV for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:07:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2011B750104 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:07:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.178.22] (p57A5823A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.165.130.58]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu7) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML2xA-1J38Nq06xg-00063o; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:07:10 +0100 From: Hermann To: orca-list Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-EO49EoGHOlL+qwgxJ0hj" Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:07:14 +0100 Message-Id: <1197630434.7308.8.camel@notebook> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.0 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/ciH1hIHrc1s6ns9+9h7Z7d08jf3K0Q5i90s1 zkbUGX9YoqBuTbiqfoKXsJNVvrHVJ8nhpkY/kiyTjwe57dZFr/ ti3D+li1sGTvy3Vxfl6Hg== Subject: [orca-list] SD still causes trouble X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:07:17 -0000 --=-EO49EoGHOlL+qwgxJ0hj Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, despite the fact that I've deactivated all services that have anything to do with cron and anacron, that updatedb procedure still starts up every morning between 10:30 and 11:30. SD crashes and has to be restarted manually. So I piped "ps aux" in a file I send here. Perhaps someone finds a solution. Hermann --=-EO49EoGHOlL+qwgxJ0hj Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=processes.txt Content-Type: text/plain; name=processes.txt; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND root 1 0.1 0.3 2952 1852 ? Ss 11:42 0:01 /sbin/init root 2 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 11:42 0:00 [kthreadd] root 3 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 11:42 0:00 [migration/0] root 4 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SN 11:42 0:00 [ksoftirqd/0] root 5 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 11:42 0:00 [watchdog/0] root 6 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 11:42 0:00 [events/0] root 7 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 11:42 0:00 [khelper] root 26 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 11:42 0:00 [kblockd/0] root 27 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 11:42 0:00 [kacpid] root 28 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 11:42 0:00 [kacpi_notify] root 114 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 11:42 0:00 [kseriod] root 133 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 11:42 0:00 [pdflush] root 134 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 11:42 0:00 [pdflush] root 135 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 11:42 0:00 [kswapd0] root 186 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 11:42 0:00 [aio/0] root 1987 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 11:42 0:00 [khpsbpkt] root 1989 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 11:42 0:00 [knodemgrd_0] root 1993 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 11:42 0:00 [ata/0] root 1994 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 11:42 0:00 [ata_aux] root 1997 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 11:42 0:00 [scsi_eh_0] root 1998 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 11:42 0:00 [scsi_eh_1] root 2014 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 11:42 0:00 [ksuspend_usbd] root 2031 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 11:42 0:00 [khubd] root 2313 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 11:42 0:00 [kjournald] root 2540 0.0 0.2 3024 1372 ? S X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F217500F7 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:19:13 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.183] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4bYvhzusNh0z for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:19:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F05B750086 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:19:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.178.22] (p57A5823A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.165.130.58]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML21M-1J38ZN1dls-0003T1; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:19:06 +0100 From: Hermann To: Michael Whapples In-Reply-To: <1197630372.3586.56.camel@localhost> References: <00dc01c83ceb$2e81f8b0$0600000a@youra96ff3c4a6> <1197630372.3586.56.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:19:06 +0100 Message-Id: <1197631146.7308.18.camel@notebook> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX185Gvu5tuXYHihApe0AhJKDun0kHTqgAtAU3il 831fJ7Xm3xfIWbePt/ma3kj+eqkgWQkwlI5JzagVjow2IndeSV IlmId7QZFH0s78M43QCnw== Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca install X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:19:13 -0000 I use GRML on my desktop machine, and I'm quite satisfied. However there are some Notes: It is rather difficault to build Gnome and Orca on GRML, because you need a lot of packages, among them some experimental stuff. I tried it about a year ago with no success, so I switched to Ubuntu; I would have prefered using Gnome and Orca on GRML. The speakup module is working, but if you have to use a language different from English, there are some limits: According to the manual of speechd-up, it doesn't speak correctly in a non-english environment, and that's exactly true. In my case German umlauts are not recognized, although Espeak and SD can handle it; it works in other environments, such as Emacs with Speechd-el. I also prefer working on a text console, but it's not always possible, especially on advanced websites and if you need a wordprocessor. If this gap could be closed, a console would be sufficent. Hermann From mwhapples@aim.com Fri Dec 14 12:06:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9415C7502F6 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:06:31 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.74 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.74 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 8 (1), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [205.188.157.38] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Fv+dnm+1zFTH for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:06:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F7207500C5 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:06:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mwhapples@aim.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id h.c60.1f31b249 (57879) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 07:06:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.64] ([87.112.54.76]) by air-ia04.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILINIA41-e217476271b0c8; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 07:06:11 -0500 From: Michael Whapples To: orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1197631146.7308.18.camel@notebook> References: <00dc01c83ceb$2e81f8b0$0600000a@youra96ff3c4a6> <1197630372.3586.56.camel@localhost> <1197631146.7308.18.camel@notebook> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:08:47 +0000 Message-Id: <1197634127.3586.85.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 87.112.54.76 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca install X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:06:31 -0000 Hello Hermann, On Fri, 2007-12-14 at 12:19 +0100, Hermann wrote: > I use GRML on my desktop machine, and I'm quite satisfied. > However there are some Notes: It is rather difficault to build Gnome and > Orca on GRML, because you need a lot of packages, among them some > experimental stuff. I haven't actually tried using GRML much as a full system, just as a very handy liveCD. As I had understood it, as it is debian based I thought you could use the debian packages, or does GRML have some differences like ubuntu which prevents you from using packages from debian (or other debian based distros)? > I tried it about a year ago with no success, so I switched to Ubuntu; I > would have prefered using Gnome and Orca on GRML. Its a shame that its so hard to get gnome and orca on GRML. There isn't any projects to build gnome distributions for GRML? Although Slackware doesn't have gnome now by default, there are a few projects (gnome slacky (http://www.slacky.eu), dropline gnome (www.droplinegnome.org), gnome slack build project (www.gnomeslackbuild.org) (their binaries I think are old but they are trying to bring it back to life with a gnome 2.20.x build) and the slackpack and slackbot system which has a gnome package (www.mkanet.de). There probably are more). I think most (if not all) of those slackware gnome systems come with orca. > The speakup module is working, but if you have to use a language > different from English, there are some limits: According to the manual > of speechd-up, it doesn't speak correctly in a non-english environment, > and that's exactly true. In my case German umlauts are not recognized, > although Espeak and SD can handle it; it works in other environments, > such as Emacs with Speechd-el. What version of speechd-up is this? I thought in speechd-up 0.4 (or whatever the latest is) that it was meant to have better international support, and that if you wanted the old style (where speakup changed the characters to words) you need to pass speechd-up the option -t. May be the version in GRML is older than that one I am on about, or may be it doesn't work as well as it might and I don't know as I only use it in english. > I also prefer working on a text console, but it's not always possible, > especially on advanced websites and if you need a wordprocessor. > If this gap could be closed, a console would be sufficent. As for the word processor, the LaTeX language is in my mind far superior to any word processor for writing documents, and there are tools such as catdoc and antiword for viewing those word documents that people insist on sending. I have to agree with you about the website thing, normally there is a way around with one of the text browsers, but there are some websites which just refuse to work in any of the text browsers, and in those cases unless it is something I am required to use (IE. when I was at university the portal system there was like that) I tend to look elsewhere. Reflecting on all that, it depends what you intend to do with the system, and for some purposes the possible problems/limitations aren't really an issue, and gnome need not be installed so GRML would be good. I can imagine that if GRML keep speakup and the software synth stuff on the CD it will be a great friend to me in the future. From Michael Whapples > Hermann > > From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Fri Dec 14 12:42:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDAF1750212 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:42:27 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.188] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 46FsQ9AtAwOb for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:42:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BCB87501F9 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:42:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from grml (p57A5823A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.165.130.58]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu8) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML31I-1J39rr1WHv-0003Ht; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:42:16 +0100 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:42:19 +0100 From: Hermann To: Michael Whapples Message-ID: <20071214124219.GA5056@grml> References: <00dc01c83ceb$2e81f8b0$0600000a@youra96ff3c4a6> <1197630372.3586.56.camel@localhost> <1197631146.7308.18.camel@notebook> <1197634127.3586.85.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1197634127.3586.85.camel@localhost> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+uwF1pQgFPNSP+qyomFKVQuK39wmvb6mPgoWA NP1Wc1tVBNFCgblALFW13r8Ouiijjc/2RKbObOyJHOHfjAUOvb tUN0ewXRK4JKiHRkNx3Mg== Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca install X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:42:28 -0000 OK, i answer to the list too, although it may be a little bit OT: GRML uses speechd-up 0.1, and there's no -t option. Updating apt-get and aptitude results in no newer version. However I remember, that in Ubuntu Feisty, where Speakup was implemented, that umlaut problem does not appear. GRML is Debian based, but in order to build Orca from the source, you need a lot of packages, not provided over the GRML repository. So you have to extend your sources.list file or collect the packages manually. In the end I succeeded in finding all packages, but couldn't get the x-session to start. I don't know very much about GRML's GUI, they don't use Gnome, but some Xwindow systems such as Fluxbox, and I've no idea What's this all about. I use GRML in text mode only. Hermann -- I use grml (http://grml.org/) From mwhapples@aim.com Fri Dec 14 15:27:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4831C7500C5 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:27:27 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 8 (1), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [64.12.137.11] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k1HKgSFtpaY0 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:27:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imo-m19.mx.aol.com (imo-m19.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.11]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CBAE7500C8 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:27:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mwhapples@aim.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id h.d15.17d3b25f (57879) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:26:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.64] ([87.112.54.76]) by air-ia04.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILINIA41-e2174762a0a822e; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:26:33 -0500 From: Michael Whapples To: orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20071214124219.GA5056@grml> References: <00dc01c83ceb$2e81f8b0$0600000a@youra96ff3c4a6> <1197630372.3586.56.camel@localhost> <1197631146.7308.18.camel@notebook> <1197634127.3586.85.camel@localhost> <20071214124219.GA5056@grml> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:29:04 +0000 Message-Id: <1197646145.3586.116.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 87.112.54.76 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca install X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:27:27 -0000 Hello, My thoughts are that this is suitable sort of stuff for the list, even if only related to the main topic. If I hadn't known of GRML, I would have thought ubuntu with orca was the only way to install Linux (so may have only asked about if any other distro uses orca for accessible install), so I think it is worth mentioning GRML as that is another way to install Linux, and even knowning about GRML, I didn't know that it might be so difficult to get orca running on it. So if orca is the thing actually being sought then GRML may not be the thing. I had understood from a quick search on the internet that you should be able to install the gnome desktop all through apt with very little difficulty on GRML. Just to answer your comment regarding speechd-up, yes it is the version GRML use according to the information you have given, update it and you will have solved the international character problems. The main point I would make is that no tool is best for all tasks, and it is always worth knowing about what is out there and their various strengths so you can make the right choice. From Michael Whapples On Fri, 2007-12-14 at 13:42 +0100, Hermann wrote: > OK, i answer to the list too, although it may be a little bit OT: > GRML uses speechd-up 0.1, and there's no -t option. Updating apt-get and > aptitude results in no newer version. However I remember, that in Ubuntu > Feisty, where Speakup was implemented, that umlaut problem does not > appear. > GRML is Debian based, but in order to build Orca from the source, you > need a lot of packages, not provided over the GRML repository. So you > have to extend your sources.list file or collect the packages manually. > In the end I succeeded in finding all packages, but couldn't get the > x-session to start. I don't know very much about GRML's GUI, they don't > use Gnome, but some Xwindow systems such as Fluxbox, and I've no idea > What's this all about. I use GRML in text mode only. > Hermann > From jdashiel@shellworld.net Fri Dec 14 21:30:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51810750069 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:30:06 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.74 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.74 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: FreeBSD 4.6-4.9 (up: 84 hrs), (distance 12, link: ethernet/modem), [209.61.182.169] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7gch5g1jXP0O for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:30:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from server2.shellworld.net (shellworld.net [209.61.182.169]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 344F0750007 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:30:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from server2.shellworld.net (jdashiel@server2.shellworld.net [209.61.182.169]) by server2.shellworld.net (8.13.1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id lBELU1mF035742; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:30:01 GMT (envelope-from jdashiel@shellworld.net) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:30:01 -0600 (CST) From: Jude DaShiell To: Hermann In-Reply-To: <1197630434.7308.8.camel@notebook> Message-ID: References: <1197630434.7308.8.camel@notebook> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: orca-list Subject: Re: [orca-list] SD still causes trouble X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:30:06 -0000 Hi, You need to turn off notification-daemon. See notification-daemon goes out everyday and finds out if there are new packages for your system. In order to do that work, notification-daemon is running updatedb once it gets your updates down from the repositories and that's what's causing this problem. It's down toward the bottom of that attachment you sent us. On Fri, 14 Dec 2007, Hermann wrote: > Hi, > despite the fact that I've deactivated all services that have anything > to do with cron and anacron, that updatedb procedure still starts up > every morning between 10:30 and 11:30. > SD crashes and has to be restarted manually. > So I piped "ps aux" in a file I send here. > Perhaps someone finds a solution. > Hermann > > From jdashiel@shellworld.net Fri Dec 14 22:49:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ABC2750088 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:49:42 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: FreeBSD 4.6-4.9 (up: 86 hrs), (distance 12, link: ethernet/modem), [209.61.182.169] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UL8XoYvISkQ8 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:49:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from server2.shellworld.net (shellworld.net [209.61.182.169]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 274CF750069 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:49:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from server2.shellworld.net (jdashiel@server2.shellworld.net [209.61.182.169]) by server2.shellworld.net (8.13.1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id lBEMnYs4039556; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:49:34 GMT (envelope-from jdashiel@shellworld.net) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:49:34 -0600 (CST) From: Jude DaShiell To: Michael Whapples In-Reply-To: <1197634127.3586.85.camel@localhost> Message-ID: References: <00dc01c83ceb$2e81f8b0$0600000a@youra96ff3c4a6> <1197630372.3586.56.camel@localhost> <1197631146.7308.18.camel@notebook> <1197634127.3586.85.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca install X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:49:42 -0000 Slackware is the most difficult g.u.i. accessibility environment I've had occassion to use to date. The only way anyone is ever going to get any g.u.i. accessibility on slackware is to get the real gnome from the gnome foundation with all parts present and get that built and installed first. I know for sure gargnome is a cut down version of gnome and the stuff needed for accessibility was specifically targeted for the gelding knife. It's an easy enough install, just not worth the disk space once done. On Fri, 14 Dec 2007, Michael Whapples wrote: > Hello Hermann, > On Fri, 2007-12-14 at 12:19 +0100, Hermann wrote: >> I use GRML on my desktop machine, and I'm quite satisfied. >> However there are some Notes: It is rather difficault to build Gnome and >> Orca on GRML, because you need a lot of packages, among them some >> experimental stuff. > I haven't actually tried using GRML much as a full system, just as a > very handy liveCD. As I had understood it, as it is debian based I > thought you could use the debian packages, or does GRML have some > differences like ubuntu which prevents you from using packages from > debian (or other debian based distros)? > >> I tried it about a year ago with no success, so I switched to Ubuntu; I >> would have prefered using Gnome and Orca on GRML. > Its a shame that its so hard to get gnome and orca on GRML. There isn't > any projects to build gnome distributions for GRML? Although Slackware > doesn't have gnome now by default, there are a few projects (gnome > slacky (http://www.slacky.eu), dropline gnome (www.droplinegnome.org), > gnome slack build project (www.gnomeslackbuild.org) (their binaries I > think are old but they are trying to bring it back to life with a gnome > 2.20.x build) and the slackpack and slackbot system which has a gnome > package (www.mkanet.de). There probably are more). I think most (if not > all) of those slackware gnome systems come with orca. > >> The speakup module is working, but if you have to use a language >> different from English, there are some limits: According to the manual >> of speechd-up, it doesn't speak correctly in a non-english environment, >> and that's exactly true. In my case German umlauts are not recognized, >> although Espeak and SD can handle it; it works in other environments, >> such as Emacs with Speechd-el. > What version of speechd-up is this? I thought in speechd-up 0.4 (or > whatever the latest is) that it was meant to have better international > support, and that if you wanted the old style (where speakup changed the > characters to words) you need to pass speechd-up the option -t. May be > the version in GRML is older than that one I am on about, or may be it > doesn't work as well as it might and I don't know as I only use it in > english. > >> I also prefer working on a text console, but it's not always possible, >> especially on advanced websites and if you need a wordprocessor. >> If this gap could be closed, a console would be sufficent. > As for the word processor, the LaTeX language is in my mind far superior > to any word processor for writing documents, and there are tools such as > catdoc and antiword for viewing those word documents that people insist > on sending. I have to agree with you about the website thing, normally > there is a way around with one of the text browsers, but there are some > websites which just refuse to work in any of the text browsers, and in > those cases unless it is something I am required to use (IE. when I was > at university the portal system there was like that) I tend to look > elsewhere. > > Reflecting on all that, it depends what you intend to do with the > system, and for some purposes the possible problems/limitations aren't > really an issue, and gnome need not be installed so GRML would be good. > I can imagine that if GRML keep speakup and the software synth stuff on > the CD it will be a great friend to me in the future. > > From > Michael Whapples >> Hermann >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > From mwhapples@aim.com Fri Dec 14 23:53:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F94D750069 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:53:50 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 8 (1), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [205.188.157.38] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JE6SgvQ38eh2 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:53:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F0417500DA for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:53:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mwhapples@aim.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id h.bef.1b9adda3 (57872) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:53:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.64] ([87.112.54.76]) by air-ia02.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILINIA22-e210476317372c1; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:53:39 -0500 From: Michael Whapples To: orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: References: <00dc01c83ceb$2e81f8b0$0600000a@youra96ff3c4a6> <1197630372.3586.56.camel@localhost> <1197631146.7308.18.camel@notebook> <1197634127.3586.85.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:54:50 +0000 Message-Id: <1197676490.31537.10.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 87.112.54.76 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca install X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:53:50 -0000 I've found gnome slacky (www.slacky.eu) or for english only speaking people (http://www.slacky.eu/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2475) is a good and up to date gnome distribution (2.20.1) for slackware, and that is what I am using at this very moment. I haven't really had any problems with slackware and gnome slacky (particularly in the area of accessibillity), so would have to disagree that slackware is bad for accessible GUIs. Admittedly it would be nice if there was an official slackware gnome system, but this is a good option. From Michael Whapples On Fri, 2007-12-14 at 16:49 -0600, Jude DaShiell wrote: > Slackware is the most difficult g.u.i. accessibility environment I've had > occassion to use to date. The only way anyone is ever going to get any > g.u.i. accessibility on slackware is to get the real gnome from the gnome > foundation with all parts present and get that built and installed first. > I know for sure gargnome is a cut down version of gnome and the stuff > needed for accessibility was specifically targeted for the gelding knife. > It's an easy enough install, just not worth the disk space once done. > > > > On Fri, 14 Dec 2007, Michael Whapples wrote: > > > Hello Hermann, > > On Fri, 2007-12-14 at 12:19 +0100, Hermann wrote: > >> I use GRML on my desktop machine, and I'm quite satisfied. > >> However there are some Notes: It is rather difficault to build Gnome and > >> Orca on GRML, because you need a lot of packages, among them some > >> experimental stuff. > > I haven't actually tried using GRML much as a full system, just as a > > very handy liveCD. As I had understood it, as it is debian based I > > thought you could use the debian packages, or does GRML have some > > differences like ubuntu which prevents you from using packages from > > debian (or other debian based distros)? > > > >> I tried it about a year ago with no success, so I switched to Ubuntu; I > >> would have prefered using Gnome and Orca on GRML. > > Its a shame that its so hard to get gnome and orca on GRML. There isn't > > any projects to build gnome distributions for GRML? Although Slackware > > doesn't have gnome now by default, there are a few projects (gnome > > slacky (http://www.slacky.eu), dropline gnome (www.droplinegnome.org), > > gnome slack build project (www.gnomeslackbuild.org) (their binaries I > > think are old but they are trying to bring it back to life with a gnome > > 2.20.x build) and the slackpack and slackbot system which has a gnome > > package (www.mkanet.de). There probably are more). I think most (if not > > all) of those slackware gnome systems come with orca. > > > >> The speakup module is working, but if you have to use a language > >> different from English, there are some limits: According to the manual > >> of speechd-up, it doesn't speak correctly in a non-english environment, > >> and that's exactly true. In my case German umlauts are not recognized, > >> although Espeak and SD can handle it; it works in other environments, > >> such as Emacs with Speechd-el. > > What version of speechd-up is this? I thought in speechd-up 0.4 (or > > whatever the latest is) that it was meant to have better international > > support, and that if you wanted the old style (where speakup changed the > > characters to words) you need to pass speechd-up the option -t. May be > > the version in GRML is older than that one I am on about, or may be it > > doesn't work as well as it might and I don't know as I only use it in > > english. > > > >> I also prefer working on a text console, but it's not always possible, > >> especially on advanced websites and if you need a wordprocessor. > >> If this gap could be closed, a console would be sufficent. > > As for the word processor, the LaTeX language is in my mind far superior > > to any word processor for writing documents, and there are tools such as > > catdoc and antiword for viewing those word documents that people insist > > on sending. I have to agree with you about the website thing, normally > > there is a way around with one of the text browsers, but there are some > > websites which just refuse to work in any of the text browsers, and in > > those cases unless it is something I am required to use (IE. when I was > > at university the portal system there was like that) I tend to look > > elsewhere. > > > > Reflecting on all that, it depends what you intend to do with the > > system, and for some purposes the possible problems/limitations aren't > > really an issue, and gnome need not be installed so GRML would be good. > > I can imagine that if GRML keep speakup and the software synth stuff on > > the CD it will be a great friend to me in the future. > > > > From > > Michael Whapples > >> Hermann > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > > From jdashiel@shellworld.net Sat Dec 15 00:44:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91116750069 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:44:41 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: FreeBSD 4.6-4.9 (up: 88 hrs), (distance 12, link: ethernet/modem), [209.61.182.169] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wxgbQnzHTGT9 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:44:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from server2.shellworld.net (shellworld.net [209.61.182.169]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A1B7750072 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:44:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from server2.shellworld.net (jdashiel@server2.shellworld.net [209.61.182.169]) by server2.shellworld.net (8.13.1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id lBF0iXbC045013; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:44:33 GMT (envelope-from jdashiel@shellworld.net) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:44:33 -0600 (CST) From: Jude DaShiell To: Michael Whapples In-Reply-To: <1197676490.31537.10.camel@localhost> Message-ID: References: <00dc01c83ceb$2e81f8b0$0600000a@youra96ff3c4a6> <1197630372.3586.56.camel@localhost> <1197631146.7308.18.camel@notebook> <1197634127.3586.85.camel@localhost> <1197676490.31537.10.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca install X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:44:41 -0000 That version I hadn't got around to trying yet. Thanks for the good news. On Fri, 14 Dec 2007, Michael Whapples wrote: > I've found gnome slacky (www.slacky.eu) or for english only speaking > people > (http://www.slacky.eu/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2475) is > a good and up to date gnome distribution (2.20.1) for slackware, and > that is what I am using at this very moment. > > I haven't really had any problems with slackware and gnome slacky > (particularly in the area of accessibillity), so would have to disagree > that slackware is bad for accessible GUIs. Admittedly it would be nice > if there was an official slackware gnome system, but this is a good > option. > > From > Michael Whapples > On Fri, 2007-12-14 at 16:49 -0600, Jude DaShiell wrote: >> Slackware is the most difficult g.u.i. accessibility environment I've had >> occassion to use to date. The only way anyone is ever going to get any >> g.u.i. accessibility on slackware is to get the real gnome from the gnome >> foundation with all parts present and get that built and installed first. >> I know for sure gargnome is a cut down version of gnome and the stuff >> needed for accessibility was specifically targeted for the gelding knife. >> It's an easy enough install, just not worth the disk space once done. >> >> >> >> On Fri, 14 Dec 2007, Michael Whapples wrote: >> >>> Hello Hermann, >>> On Fri, 2007-12-14 at 12:19 +0100, Hermann wrote: >>>> I use GRML on my desktop machine, and I'm quite satisfied. >>>> However there are some Notes: It is rather difficault to build Gnome and >>>> Orca on GRML, because you need a lot of packages, among them some >>>> experimental stuff. >>> I haven't actually tried using GRML much as a full system, just as a >>> very handy liveCD. As I had understood it, as it is debian based I >>> thought you could use the debian packages, or does GRML have some >>> differences like ubuntu which prevents you from using packages from >>> debian (or other debian based distros)? >>> >>>> I tried it about a year ago with no success, so I switched to Ubuntu; I >>>> would have prefered using Gnome and Orca on GRML. >>> Its a shame that its so hard to get gnome and orca on GRML. There isn't >>> any projects to build gnome distributions for GRML? Although Slackware >>> doesn't have gnome now by default, there are a few projects (gnome >>> slacky (http://www.slacky.eu), dropline gnome (www.droplinegnome.org), >>> gnome slack build project (www.gnomeslackbuild.org) (their binaries I >>> think are old but they are trying to bring it back to life with a gnome >>> 2.20.x build) and the slackpack and slackbot system which has a gnome >>> package (www.mkanet.de). There probably are more). I think most (if not >>> all) of those slackware gnome systems come with orca. >>> >>>> The speakup module is working, but if you have to use a language >>>> different from English, there are some limits: According to the manual >>>> of speechd-up, it doesn't speak correctly in a non-english environment, >>>> and that's exactly true. In my case German umlauts are not recognized, >>>> although Espeak and SD can handle it; it works in other environments, >>>> such as Emacs with Speechd-el. >>> What version of speechd-up is this? I thought in speechd-up 0.4 (or >>> whatever the latest is) that it was meant to have better international >>> support, and that if you wanted the old style (where speakup changed the >>> characters to words) you need to pass speechd-up the option -t. May be >>> the version in GRML is older than that one I am on about, or may be it >>> doesn't work as well as it might and I don't know as I only use it in >>> english. >>> >>>> I also prefer working on a text console, but it's not always possible, >>>> especially on advanced websites and if you need a wordprocessor. >>>> If this gap could be closed, a console would be sufficent. >>> As for the word processor, the LaTeX language is in my mind far superior >>> to any word processor for writing documents, and there are tools such as >>> catdoc and antiword for viewing those word documents that people insist >>> on sending. I have to agree with you about the website thing, normally >>> there is a way around with one of the text browsers, but there are some >>> websites which just refuse to work in any of the text browsers, and in >>> those cases unless it is something I am required to use (IE. when I was >>> at university the portal system there was like that) I tend to look >>> elsewhere. >>> >>> Reflecting on all that, it depends what you intend to do with the >>> system, and for some purposes the possible problems/limitations aren't >>> really an issue, and gnome need not be installed so GRML would be good. >>> I can imagine that if GRML keep speakup and the software synth stuff on >>> the CD it will be a great friend to me in the future. >>> >>> From >>> Michael Whapples >>>> Hermann >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Orca-list mailing list >>> Orca-list@gnome.org >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca >>> > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > From mwhapples@aim.com Sat Dec 15 01:07:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9E037500B7 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 01:07:52 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 8 (1), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [64.12.137.11] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wL4AS2kFvfea for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 01:07:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imo-m19.mx.aol.com (imo-m19.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.11]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EBBC7500E7 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 01:07:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mwhapples@aim.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id h.ce3.204b4f71 (57879) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:04:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.64] ([87.112.54.76]) by air-ia04.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILINIA41-e21747632803181; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:04:04 -0500 From: Michael Whapples To: orca-list In-Reply-To: References: <00dc01c83ceb$2e81f8b0$0600000a@youra96ff3c4a6> <1197630372.3586.56.camel@localhost> <1197631146.7308.18.camel@notebook> <1197634127.3586.85.camel@localhost> <1197676490.31537.10.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 01:06:41 +0000 Message-Id: <1197680801.31537.15.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 87.112.54.76 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca install X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 01:07:53 -0000 The only things missing regarding accessibility were speech-dispatcher and espeak, and those I suppose are optional (as it comes with gnome-speech and festival so you can have some sort of speech output). From Michael Whapples On Fri, 2007-12-14 at 18:44 -0600, Jude DaShiell wrote: > That version I hadn't got around to trying yet. Thanks for the good news. > > > > On Fri, 14 Dec 2007, Michael Whapples wrote: > > > I've found gnome slacky (www.slacky.eu) or for english only speaking > > people > > (http://www.slacky.eu/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2475) is > > a good and up to date gnome distribution (2.20.1) for slackware, and > > that is what I am using at this very moment. > > > > I haven't really had any problems with slackware and gnome slacky > > (particularly in the area of accessibillity), so would have to disagree > > that slackware is bad for accessible GUIs. Admittedly it would be nice > > if there was an official slackware gnome system, but this is a good > > option. > > > > From > > Michael Whapples > > On Fri, 2007-12-14 at 16:49 -0600, Jude DaShiell wrote: > >> Slackware is the most difficult g.u.i. accessibility environment I've had > >> occassion to use to date. The only way anyone is ever going to get any > >> g.u.i. accessibility on slackware is to get the real gnome from the gnome > >> foundation with all parts present and get that built and installed first. > >> I know for sure gargnome is a cut down version of gnome and the stuff > >> needed for accessibility was specifically targeted for the gelding knife. > >> It's an easy enough install, just not worth the disk space once done. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Fri, 14 Dec 2007, Michael Whapples wrote: > >> > >>> Hello Hermann, > >>> On Fri, 2007-12-14 at 12:19 +0100, Hermann wrote: > >>>> I use GRML on my desktop machine, and I'm quite satisfied. > >>>> However there are some Notes: It is rather difficault to build Gnome and > >>>> Orca on GRML, because you need a lot of packages, among them some > >>>> experimental stuff. > >>> I haven't actually tried using GRML much as a full system, just as a > >>> very handy liveCD. As I had understood it, as it is debian based I > >>> thought you could use the debian packages, or does GRML have some > >>> differences like ubuntu which prevents you from using packages from > >>> debian (or other debian based distros)? > >>> > >>>> I tried it about a year ago with no success, so I switched to Ubuntu; I > >>>> would have prefered using Gnome and Orca on GRML. > >>> Its a shame that its so hard to get gnome and orca on GRML. There isn't > >>> any projects to build gnome distributions for GRML? Although Slackware > >>> doesn't have gnome now by default, there are a few projects (gnome > >>> slacky (http://www.slacky.eu), dropline gnome (www.droplinegnome.org), > >>> gnome slack build project (www.gnomeslackbuild.org) (their binaries I > >>> think are old but they are trying to bring it back to life with a gnome > >>> 2.20.x build) and the slackpack and slackbot system which has a gnome > >>> package (www.mkanet.de). There probably are more). I think most (if not > >>> all) of those slackware gnome systems come with orca. > >>> > >>>> The speakup module is working, but if you have to use a language > >>>> different from English, there are some limits: According to the manual > >>>> of speechd-up, it doesn't speak correctly in a non-english environment, > >>>> and that's exactly true. In my case German umlauts are not recognized, > >>>> although Espeak and SD can handle it; it works in other environments, > >>>> such as Emacs with Speechd-el. > >>> What version of speechd-up is this? I thought in speechd-up 0.4 (or > >>> whatever the latest is) that it was meant to have better international > >>> support, and that if you wanted the old style (where speakup changed the > >>> characters to words) you need to pass speechd-up the option -t. May be > >>> the version in GRML is older than that one I am on about, or may be it > >>> doesn't work as well as it might and I don't know as I only use it in > >>> english. > >>> > >>>> I also prefer working on a text console, but it's not always possible, > >>>> especially on advanced websites and if you need a wordprocessor. > >>>> If this gap could be closed, a console would be sufficent. > >>> As for the word processor, the LaTeX language is in my mind far superior > >>> to any word processor for writing documents, and there are tools such as > >>> catdoc and antiword for viewing those word documents that people insist > >>> on sending. I have to agree with you about the website thing, normally > >>> there is a way around with one of the text browsers, but there are some > >>> websites which just refuse to work in any of the text browsers, and in > >>> those cases unless it is something I am required to use (IE. when I was > >>> at university the portal system there was like that) I tend to look > >>> elsewhere. > >>> > >>> Reflecting on all that, it depends what you intend to do with the > >>> system, and for some purposes the possible problems/limitations aren't > >>> really an issue, and gnome need not be installed so GRML would be good. > >>> I can imagine that if GRML keep speakup and the software synth stuff on > >>> the CD it will be a great friend to me in the future. > >>> > >>> From > >>> Michael Whapples > >>>> Hermann > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Orca-list mailing list > >>> Orca-list@gnome.org > >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > >>> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > > From mwhapples@aim.com Sat Dec 15 01:31:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84E47750069 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 01:31:35 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 8 (1), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [205.188.157.38] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z6G37pSxxVRP for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 01:31:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9D8F7500B2 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 01:31:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mwhapples@aim.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id h.bd4.21769bdc (57881) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:31:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.64] ([87.112.54.76]) by air-ia04.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILINIA43-e21947632e6715d; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:31:21 -0500 From: Michael Whapples To: orca-list Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 01:33:58 +0000 Message-Id: <1197682438.31537.37.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 87.112.54.76 Subject: [orca-list] orca and QT X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 01:31:35 -0000 Hello, I know this topic comes up from time to time, but I found a few interesting things which prompt these questions. I have noticed that in the QT 4.3 documentation it says that accessibility has been improved and covers MSAA, the mac accessibility system and also AT-SPI. Having noticed this, I downloaded QT4.3.3 in a lot of hope, but when I ran a QT4 application nothing accept orca telling me not accessible when I alt-tabbed to the application. After a bit more research I found http://chaos.troll.no/~harald/qdbusaccessible which makes QT4 accessible through an IAccessible implementation on dbus. That website says to export QT_ACCESSIBILITY=1 which I did (also at this point I had installed that qdbusaccessible plugin), and then loading the QT4 app did put a message to the gnome-terminal screen I launched it from, which said something about loading the dqbusaccessible plugin. Having a look in the QT4 plugins directory revealed no plugin which I could make out to be relevant as a AT-SPI plugin (I mean nothing as in the file names gave no indication of that). I know that the qdbusaccessible plugin is doing something as dbus-monitor gave messages about the application. So what is the state of orca/at-spi with gaining access to QT applications? Is that note in the QT4.3 documentation mis-leading or is it right and where can the at-spi plugin be got? No searching of the internet has really answered this for sure, there just seemed to be a lot of talk but very little in the way of results. From Michael Whapples From erbizionostro@tiscali.it Sat Dec 15 11:27:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEE1A750118 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:27:08 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.286 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.286 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, MSGID_NO_HOST=0.285] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 553 hrs), (distance 18, link: ethernet/modem), [85.18.95.73] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xgIyvBX8jinI for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:27:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from aa013msr.fastwebnet.it (aa013msr.fastwebnet.it [85.18.95.73]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E41675011B for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:27:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fabry.tiscali.it (23.250.31.141) by aa013msr.fastwebnet.it (7.3.118.6) id 46B1A27C08BF6826 for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:27:02 +0100 Message-ID: <46B1A27C08BF6826@> (added by postmaster@aa013msr.fastwebnet.it) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:26:28 +0100 To: orca-list@gnome.org From: Fabrizio Marini In-Reply-To: <475E9910.2050705@brailcom.org> References: <46B1A27C08299F34@> <47596CAB.9050406@brailcom.org> <46B1A27C08596ACF@> <475E9910.2050705@brailcom.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: Re: [orca-list] Another speech dispatcher crash. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:27:09 -0000 Tomas Cerha ha scritto: >Usually /var/log/speech-dispatcher (depends on >installation/configuration). In that folder there are many log files; some of then are compressed. Shall I send to you all of them? I only use espeak. May I delete the festival.log and flite.log files? >It is good to have a high logging level >set in /etc/speech-dispatcher/speechd.conf (search for LogLevel). Log >level 5 would be best if it doesn't slow your system down, but beware of >growing log file sizes. Ok. When my speech-dispatcher will work fine, could I avoid it to make log files? If so, how could I do that? Best regards Fabrizio. From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Sat Dec 15 11:46:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7FF07500E1 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:46:22 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.74 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.74 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 19, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.186] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9dJBmroI7OH4 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:46:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47ACD7500A3 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:46:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.178.24] (p57A5B7A5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.165.183.165]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKwpI-1J3VTE2lLi-0004EG; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:46:16 +0100 From: Hermann To: Fabrizio Marini In-Reply-To: <46B1A27C08BF6826@> (added by postmaster@aa013msr.fastwebnet.it) References: <46B1A27C08299F34@> <47596CAB.9050406@brailcom.org> <46B1A27C08596ACF@> <475E9910.2050705@brailcom.org> <46B1A27C08BF6826@> (added by postmaster@aa013msr.fastwebnet.it) Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:46:22 +0100 Message-Id: <1197719182.5750.13.camel@notebook> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18b0+F6hSV7YS4KBZP5AGpXHXnjQQ4Isl4Jora Qu6ttv2QzAv0J4N8U0KwCcnBeq5GfTogg/DC+duaxdf1Nvj3qx SkW1DSDI54DhGKAYyb3uQ== Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Another speech dispatcher crash. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:46:22 -0000 Hi Fabrizio, maybe you experience the same problem than I did. If so, deactivate the notification-daemon: update-rc.d -f notification-daemon remove Do this as root. Note: This command is for Debian systems including Ubuntu. If you have a different system, the command is different, so you have to ask again. Hermann From opthofp@xs4all.nl Sun Dec 16 12:14:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11CBF750128 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 12:14:22 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_60=1, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: FreeBSD 4.6-4.9 (up: 10197 hrs), (distance 19, link: ethernet/modem), [194.109.24.33] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YdwXjrQTDBuZ for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 12:14:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.33]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1143750063 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 12:14:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from TB210433 (a80-126-227-145.adsl.xs4all.nl [80.126.227.145]) by smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id lBGCEA4O046088 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 13:14:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from opthofp@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <001001c83fdd$52c56690$0204090a@tribase.nl> From: "Peter op 't Hof" To: Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 13:15:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Subject: [orca-list] progression with open solaris X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 12:14:22 -0000 Hi dear listers, The demo for the government which i gave together with Sun Microsystems was a great success. Most of the people thought that Open Office was inaccessible, because there were minor results with Windows. However i have discovered 2 minor issues which are easy to solve i guess. 1 Screensaver When the screensaver is activated i can tab to the pasword-field but cannot focus. When i ask some assistance of a seeing person to click on the field, i am able to enter my password. Since i discover that the field is in the tab-sequence, the only thing we have to do is add the class as a dialog-box to Orca? 2 Wireless lan On the Toshiba N5 the wireless interface was activated and was prompting me about several availlable lan-networks. Orca was reporting that the window was inaccessible. Is this a class which has to be added too? Thanks in advance. Peter op 't Hof. From mwhapples@aim.com Sun Dec 16 15:28:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 863F4750066 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:28:21 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.74 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.74 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 8 (1), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [64.12.137.11] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uxzoC8jiT1MQ for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:28:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imo-m19.mx.aol.com (imo-m19.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.11]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06438750148 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:28:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mwhapples@aim.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id h.c5c.216c7440 (57882) for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 10:28:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.64] ([87.112.54.76]) by air-ia04.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILINIA44-e21a476544012d6; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 10:28:06 -0500 From: Michael Whapples To: orca-list Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:30:34 +0000 Message-Id: <1197819034.3535.4.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 87.112.54.76 Subject: [orca-list] Problem with evolution and move to dialog seems fixed X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:28:21 -0000 Hello, I contacted the list a bit a go about a problem where the move to dialog in evolution didn't seem to get focus using the keyboard, and that flat review was needed. I have just noticed it seems to work now (I have done an upgrade since I reported the problem, and now using evolution 2.12.1, and I have been upgrading orca as well, although I think it probably was an evolution bug). I don't know if there was a bug report for this made by anyone else. From Michael Whapples From mwhapples@aim.com Sun Dec 16 15:35:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1BD3750152 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:35:01 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 8 (1), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [205.188.157.38] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MIH+i+5Qz2Iw for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:34:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C1A875008B for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:34:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mwhapples@aim.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id h.be6.21af295f (57881) for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 10:34:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.64] ([87.112.54.76]) by air-ia04.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILINIA43-e2194765459832c; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 10:34:49 -0500 From: Michael Whapples To: orca-list Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:37:28 +0000 Message-Id: <1197819448.3535.10.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 87.112.54.76 Subject: [orca-list] Bug tracking tools X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:35:02 -0000 Hello, Is there any tools which can be used with orca for searching, reading and reporting bugs? I am aware of bugbuddy but I think that is only a reporting tool. I also know that all the functionality I want is probably available through a web interface, but I don't tend to like web interfaces, particularly with the speed of orca on some websites. From Michael Whapples From suseROCKS@bryen.com Sun Dec 16 15:44:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C0EF7500F2 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:44:40 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 7366 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [208.100.11.27] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5PQBs+mZZ3m2 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:44:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from tesla.server5vh.com (tesla.server5vh.com [208.100.11.27]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F497750095 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:44:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from c-24-12-98-76.hsd1.il.comcast.net ([24.12.98.76]:3080 helo=[10.1.10.10]) by tesla.server5vh.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J3vfN-0006Qx-NN for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:44:33 -0600 From: Bryen To: orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1197819448.3535.10.camel@localhost> References: <1197819448.3535.10.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:44:29 -0600 Message-Id: <1197819869.15099.2.camel@desktop.bryen.info> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - tesla.server5vh.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - bryen.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [orca-list] Bug tracking tools X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: suseROCKS@bryen.com List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:44:40 -0000 This link will show you the results of all gnome bugs filed with keyword orca. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?query=orca On Sun, 2007-12-16 at 15:37 +0000, Michael Whapples wrote: > Hello, > Is there any tools which can be used with orca for searching, reading > and reporting bugs? I am aware of bugbuddy but I think that is only a > reporting tool. I also know that all the functionality I want is > probably available through a web interface, but I don't tend to like web > interfaces, particularly with the speed of orca on some websites. > > From > Michael Whapples > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca -- ---Bryen--- From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Sun Dec 16 15:48:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80B76750090 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:48:05 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.11 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.11 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.174] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SgpinftvaxhM for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:47:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.174]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5763C7500F5 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:47:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from grml (p57A5939B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.165.147.155]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu6) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML29c-1J3vie0vHy-0001vU; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 16:47:56 +0100 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 16:48:02 +0100 From: Hermann To: Michael Whapples Message-ID: <20071216154802.GA6019@grml> References: <1197819034.3535.4.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1197819034.3535.4.camel@localhost> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18ADraP40FI8Qg/YA+CcjnB4+yhMP857J/qKeF dJFOJcraEKd4kdzn0/TECZDWnE1JpOelsWFoJnGHntYMhrTyBy ROc/NbuQQg7+M6jy299Hw== Cc: orca-list Subject: Re: [orca-list] Problem with evolution and move to dialog seems fixed X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:48:05 -0000 One majo bug remains: When Orca is set to read the whole row in tables, the message headers in the message list are not read correctly. Orca reads the column titles and reports every mail as unread and with an attachment, and also be marked. I remember that this used to work in older Orca/Evolution versions: Only unread mails where announced with status, an attachment was indicated when there's one, and a set mark, such as important etc., was announced only when set by the user. The only workaround is to set table reading to cell. But the status of the headers gets not read correctly too. Advantage: you can scroll the headers by cell. Is this known? Hermann -- I use grml (http://grml.org/) From William.Walker@Sun.COM Sun Dec 16 15:59:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE33D750128 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:59:35 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 9, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.34] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E2OB8eiMs2-G for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:59:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCB2D7501AF for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:59:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lBGFxFeV009873 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:59:15 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JT500N01G7R5200@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 08:59:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([66.189.39.50]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JT500GAEGEQWQD0@mail-amer.sun.com>; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 08:59:15 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 10:57:59 -0500 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <1197819034.3535.4.camel@localhost> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Michael Whapples Message-id: <47654B07.1000705@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <1197819034.3535.4.camel@localhost> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071119) Cc: orca-list Subject: Re: [orca-list] Problem with evolution and move to dialog seems fixed X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:59:35 -0000 Thanks for following up, Michael! Will Michael Whapples wrote: > Hello, > I contacted the list a bit a go about a problem where the move to dialog > in evolution didn't seem to get focus using the keyboard, and that flat > review was needed. I have just noticed it seems to work now (I have done > an upgrade since I reported the problem, and now using evolution 2.12.1, > and I have been upgrading orca as well, although I think it probably was > an evolution bug). I don't know if there was a bug report for this made > by anyone else. > > From > Michael Whapples > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From suseROCKS@bryen.com Sun Dec 16 16:00:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29F20750183 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 16:00:22 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 7369 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [208.100.11.27] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id llnufknbytS3 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 16:00:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from tesla.server5vh.com (tesla.server5vh.com [208.100.11.27]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EC0975013F for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 16:00:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from c-24-12-98-76.hsd1.il.comcast.net ([24.12.98.76]:21982 helo=[10.1.10.10]) by tesla.server5vh.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J3vuZ-0007YM-6G for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 10:00:15 -0600 From: Bryen To: orca-list Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 10:00:11 -0600 Message-Id: <1197820811.15099.10.camel@desktop.bryen.info> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - tesla.server5vh.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - bryen.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: [orca-list] Questions about user setup effects X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: suseROCKS@bryen.com List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 16:00:22 -0000 We've run into a bug over on openSuse and we're trying to understand the behavior a bit. If anyone can offer their insight, it would be greatly appreciated. To briefly describe it, if you start up orca as root in CLI, with the command 'orca --no-setup --disable main-window' and then run yast2 in gnome desktop, yast2 modules will crash. We're working to figure this out on our end. However, in the process of analyzing symptoms, I discovered that if a user does not have .orca files in their home directory, then the crash does not occur. What is confusing to me is that we are not running Orca as that user. Therefore, why should that .orca directory matter? -- ---Bryen--- From William.Walker@Sun.COM Sun Dec 16 16:04:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE23A75011D for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 16:04:28 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 9, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.36] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tAuLNl6zJCq9 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 16:04:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75523750105 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 16:04:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lBGG4NJD011783 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 16:04:23 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JT500101GHJH600@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:04:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([66.189.39.50]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JT500G8OGNAWQE0@mail-amer.sun.com>; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:04:22 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:03:06 -0500 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <20071216154802.GA6019@grml> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Hermann Message-id: <47654C3A.80304@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <1197819034.3535.4.camel@localhost> <20071216154802.GA6019@grml> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071119) Cc: Michael Whapples , orca-list Subject: Re: [orca-list] Problem with evolution and move to dialog seems fixed X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 16:04:28 -0000 Hermann wrote: > One majo bug remains: > Orca reads the column titles and reports every mail as unread and with > an attachment, and also be marked. Bummer. Thanks for reporting this. We'll take a look -- you can track the progress via http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=503874. Will From mwhapples@aim.com Sun Dec 16 16:09:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DC8E750095 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 16:09:29 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 8 (1), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [205.188.157.38] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oIMIAzX129ph for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 16:09:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAAF37500D3 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 16:09:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mwhapples@aim.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c78.2245e000 (57882); Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:09:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.64] ([87.112.54.76]) by air-ia04.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILINIA44-e21a47654da73e1; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:09:12 -0500 From: Michael Whapples To: Hermann In-Reply-To: <20071216154802.GA6019@grml> References: <1197819034.3535.4.camel@localhost> <20071216154802.GA6019@grml> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 16:11:51 +0000 Message-Id: <1197821511.3535.19.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 87.112.54.76 Cc: orca-list Subject: Re: [orca-list] Problem with evolution and move to dialog seems fixed X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 16:09:29 -0000 Hello, I don't seem to be finding what you describe. If in the message list of evolution I press insert+f11 until I hear "speak row", and then use up down cursor keys, I normally hear