From solarflow99@gmail.com Tue Apr 26 18:19:11 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mc-devel@gnome.org Delivered-To: mc-devel@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF09576952 for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2016 18:19:11 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.749 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.749 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id arlG8lT2fyBe for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2016 18:19:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yw0-f174.google.com (mail-yw0-f174.google.com [209.85.161.174]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 178B97676C for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2016 18:19:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yw0-f174.google.com with SMTP id o66so28364319ywc.3 for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2016 11:19:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to; bh=fFdRKffHa5a/wSoJeK7GtB0eRd9cYDAZNcDi/7i2Ee0=; b=z2cd6u4/hnVaVtIyJ9HsRGDord0ZKKDOEoflwGsBsPrF+TalU/kHLFgFqUqurByCRc HH3N1FENvGYUqG1S9FYQJaQ7enlzGaEsbOjwRzKooDuKx+c83/qM/f4nRGGMSTHN0bXe SfUubVhF+PrW5+xTa1fdagMx9opxhkTMH2SHyRt2G3adiq7VgYmBprC19k9GTHlgI1PC Y0vP119cP07Aaq+KYOxHqOEkDBQYjdg3l27s9+p8qC6r4xVyWruT36WDnd44pnv9g1x9 35KIhrf4J/P19xWYUO4hN4pHXt6ceVpOjyBo27FV2vHyeV3WuJjyD8R6Y9wFU3A+Dg3b 7F3w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to; bh=fFdRKffHa5a/wSoJeK7GtB0eRd9cYDAZNcDi/7i2Ee0=; b=Rz3HrwQ5UkE76DpERWOr1cL3FlvkPnbpSdGXqx0mtSMSZZHmKidcO95crOk1rs3saa esKT7WTkz+JA3LcA2nv35kP9yjfiDCmsGPuBzKUvhutqlFxa6MFiOhOVb8+5PjeKVMeU qYcWD8Ika0AlB0xaZBQfAxWMHb/wRsAklAim771gRElxbHv4qAL6MqrwYCf3tHueFwEO d8YMg9ZzMLjWo4aP8DMcr4AvOjeV4HhLLyWGpIoqp1/f70s61Vq2C/0kDVEw91HLiXKs cNPIeoxY4RGOl3fKb7i1m2KY8pA9w7ouWw+iJ9tMGjtSQlJsiUk7n8+JCW5VgSaFCeno 5Tfg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FW/G78E+RjMXPRV8QmsGKCZCDosKHOZk6R0puolsPYWyy7wArJYKi+DTFW9ZELz7+BHV1LdeRq9FIoqbQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.176.6.161 with SMTP id g30mr2087687uag.142.1461694749246; Tue, 26 Apr 2016 11:19:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.159.34.176 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Apr 2016 11:19:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 11:19:09 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: small request From: solarflow99 To: mc-devel@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c047ca04c970705316754ef X-BeenThere: mc-devel@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List for GNU Midnight Commander developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 18:19:11 -0000 --94eb2c047ca04c970705316754ef Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 https://mail.gnome.org/archives/mc/2016-April/msg00000.html Is there any chance this can be set as default, its no use having these default settings to be wrong. --94eb2c047ca04c970705316754ef Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Is there any chance this can be set as default, its no= use having these default settings to be wrong.

--94eb2c047ca04c970705316754ef-- From egmont@gmail.com Tue Apr 26 20:46:22 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mc-devel@gnome.org Delivered-To: mc-devel@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C573C76AAD for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2016 20:46:22 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SAQ24lsyaDRZ for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2016 20:46:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-io0-f174.google.com (mail-io0-f174.google.com [209.85.223.174]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1104A76983 for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2016 20:46:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-io0-f174.google.com with SMTP id f89so28076389ioi.0 for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2016 13:46:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=IC3LRBS5jYIBB0H4ybknQ0ZEK5HR+ByUCdUM7r7KOP0=; b=hJqFcAwwHi5Kr44TwdM1b8gZxHPf8ZZa+9aVlZgC9uz7CSoxh7TU61kvY+zDL11M1V vhUGRnt72W3D6l2Yu1ljjgtl+0scoawG2LvI5rr9rVBsJPmXawsw0HC2vgLlAPcOXIRx DyBrFXBlPI7ca5xNxig3v3uDt5EjIYom8lRbHCY4gcyoHvqJPAqVOQTphRqN0ktMXSjt Gfj+VXTKccfXkfQTDu5gS2V/dNG9bCxrJq1Zh+3fYY4ohKOUv8yfgD+HIfReoUqXTqI9 K8n/iAo3/bu3/oDF9JNJlBQ6+295T4Gz/x+uNp4J2xA9DVCkU4LbA+NdGL5rNlFintq4 GGiA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=IC3LRBS5jYIBB0H4ybknQ0ZEK5HR+ByUCdUM7r7KOP0=; b=ZvgDXnyZil419fu9ZQlzE5fmnLAoEc/BYGR7Ga6jwvyX5feHVRatgKdNQUKF6p9YJU mtSVdB0Locm1oJtlPZ0jinlk+E2i9RDxpfdAPONoXb9NOnbdYthBxAtDC321gWz4kXbJ xVRKxZtBg/ZLlD+TwLZk4Clua6JXnqcRUNBlDGFDmz7knlLtw+OJ7I9LYvEAC4i9OZcW z02HYQeKg7ccN/ALoXfYWSaAcsf6NdGKl9Qc1HPV9b+FAQaTOVRE1WWuCiexTg6PVk2e QrI+uit1bP/L8BTyrIr/ONW1K+0uDnJB1k1q78XEmp4rml3t6aKvYmbE//2OagylDLgX leMg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FWBxig3HpbOeBLYjxTvAV9OGJozEulT1X+qha2VI+0rBLKvYX/jEY+EyPzCkSBQjQ76LnadTJ54yV15Vg== X-Received: by 10.107.23.131 with SMTP id 125mr6261576iox.186.1461703580212; Tue, 26 Apr 2016 13:46:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.57.193 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Apr 2016 13:45:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Egmont Koblinger Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 22:45:40 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: small request To: solarflow99 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c060312aa70a20531696286 Cc: mc devel X-BeenThere: mc-devel@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List for GNU Midnight Commander developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 20:46:22 -0000 --94eb2c060312aa70a20531696286 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi, I personally prefer it being disabled. This way I can quickly change any setting (e.g. panel listing format) knowing it won't persist and my config won't be overwritten. Otherwise I'd eventually end up with a config that slowly, step by step diverges very far away from my original preference, or it would take a significant amount of ongoing effort to manually revert everything that I change just for a couple of seconds. What makes you think the default setting is "wrong"? I don't think there's an objective truth which vaule is the "good" and which is the "wrong". It's a matter of personal taste, and that's why it's configurable. I don't see a solid reason to set one value or the other as the default, and as such, I'd personally prefer to keep it unchanged from the value that's been the default in the last couple of years. cheers, egmont On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 8:19 PM, solarflow99 wrote: > https://mail.gnome.org/archives/mc/2016-April/msg00000.html > > Is there any chance this can be set as default, its no use having these > default settings to be wrong. > > > _______________________________________________ > mc-devel mailing list > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc-devel > > --94eb2c060312aa70a20531696286 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

I personally pre= fer it being disabled. This way I can quickly change any setting (e.g. pane= l listing format) knowing it won't persist and my config won't be o= verwritten. Otherwise I'd eventually end up with a config that slowly, = step by step diverges very far away from my original preference, or it woul= d take a significant amount of ongoing effort to manually revert everything= that I change just for a couple of seconds.

What makes you th= ink the default setting is "wrong"? I don't think there's= an objective truth which vaule is the "good" and which is the &q= uot;wrong". It's a matter of personal taste, and that's why it= 's configurable.

I don't see a solid reason= to set one value or the other as the default, and as such, I'd persona= lly prefer to keep it unchanged from the value that's been the default = in the last couple of years.

cheers,

egmon= t

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 8:19 PM, solarflow99 <solarflow99@gmail.com> wrote:

https://mail.gnome.org/archives/mc= /2016-April/msg00000.html

Is there any chance this can be = set as default, its no use having these default settings to be wrong.

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Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 13:53:17 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: small request From: solarflow99 To: Egmont Koblinger Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11370e7886e5e90531697be0 Cc: mc devel X-BeenThere: mc-devel@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List for GNU Midnight Commander developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 20:53:20 -0000 --001a11370e7886e5e90531697be0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I didn't mean to save every change, its just other_dir never saves the last directory you were in. It always used to, thats why I felt the new behaviour was wrong. I find it really annoying to always lose the directory I was in, on the opposite panel, don't you? On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Egmont Koblinger wrote: > Hi, > > I personally prefer it being disabled. This way I can quickly change any > setting (e.g. panel listing format) knowing it won't persist and my config > won't be overwritten. Otherwise I'd eventually end up with a config that > slowly, step by step diverges very far away from my original preference, or > it would take a significant amount of ongoing effort to manually revert > everything that I change just for a couple of seconds. > > What makes you think the default setting is "wrong"? I don't think there's > an objective truth which vaule is the "good" and which is the "wrong". It's > a matter of personal taste, and that's why it's configurable. > > I don't see a solid reason to set one value or the other as the default, > and as such, I'd personally prefer to keep it unchanged from the value > that's been the default in the last couple of years. > > cheers, > egmont > > > On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 8:19 PM, solarflow99 > wrote: > >> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/mc/2016-April/msg00000.html >> >> Is there any chance this can be set as default, its no use having these >> default settings to be wrong. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> mc-devel mailing list >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc-devel >> >> > --001a11370e7886e5e90531697be0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I didn't mean to save every change, its just othe= r_dir never saves the last directory you were in.=C2=A0 It always used to, = thats why I felt the new behaviour was wrong.=C2=A0 I find it really annoyi= ng to always lose the directory I was in, on the opposite panel, don't = you?

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Egmont Koblinger <egmont@gmail.= com> wrote:

Hi,

I personally prefer it being di= sabled. This way I can quickly change any setting (e.g. panel listing forma= t) knowing it won't persist and my config won't be overwritten. Oth= erwise I'd eventually end up with a config that slowly, step by step di= verges very far away from my original preference, or it would take a signif= icant amount of ongoing effort to manually revert everything that I change = just for a couple of seconds.

What makes you think the default= setting is "wrong"? I don't think there's an objective t= ruth which vaule is the "good" and which is the "wrong"= . It's a matter of personal taste, and that's why it's configur= able.

I don't see a solid reason to set one val= ue or the other as the default, and as such, I'd personally prefer to k= eep it unchanged from the value that's been the default in the last cou= ple of years.

cheers,
egmont
=

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 8:19 PM, solarflow99 <solarflow99@gmail.com> wrote:
https:/= /mail.gnome.org/archives/mc/2016-April/msg00000.html

Is th= ere any chance this can be set as default, its no use having these default = settings to be wrong.

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From: Egmont Koblinger Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 22:56:05 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: small request To: solarflow99 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c060312dfd65705316987ec Cc: mc devel X-BeenThere: mc-devel@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List for GNU Midnight Commander developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 20:56:47 -0000 --94eb2c060312dfd65705316987ec Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Well, I don't :) but I get your point. So, to be sure... you're arguing that other_dir should be an exception and should always be saved, even if the other options aren't? cheers, egmont On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 10:53 PM, solarflow99 wrote: > I didn't mean to save every change, its just other_dir never saves the > last directory you were in. It always used to, thats why I felt the new > behaviour was wrong. I find it really annoying to always lose the > directory I was in, on the opposite panel, don't you? > > > > On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Egmont Koblinger > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I personally prefer it being disabled. This way I can quickly change any >> setting (e.g. panel listing format) knowing it won't persist and my config >> won't be overwritten. Otherwise I'd eventually end up with a config that >> slowly, step by step diverges very far away from my original preference, or >> it would take a significant amount of ongoing effort to manually revert >> everything that I change just for a couple of seconds. >> >> What makes you think the default setting is "wrong"? I don't think >> there's an objective truth which vaule is the "good" and which is the >> "wrong". It's a matter of personal taste, and that's why it's configurable. >> >> I don't see a solid reason to set one value or the other as the default, >> and as such, I'd personally prefer to keep it unchanged from the value >> that's been the default in the last couple of years. >> >> cheers, >> egmont >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 8:19 PM, solarflow99 >> wrote: >> >>> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/mc/2016-April/msg00000.html >>> >>> Is there any chance this can be set as default, its no use having these >>> default settings to be wrong. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> mc-devel mailing list >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc-devel >>> >>> >> > --94eb2c060312dfd65705316987ec Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Well, I don't :) but I get your point.<= br>

So, to be sure... you're arguing that other_dir should be = an exception and should always be saved, even if the other options aren'= ;t?

cheers,

egmont

O= n Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 10:53 PM, solarflow99 <solarflow99@gmail.com> wrote:

I didn't mean to save every change, its just other_dir never saves th= e last directory you were in.=C2=A0 It always used to, thats why I felt the= new behaviour was wrong.=C2=A0 I find it really annoying to always lose th= e directory I was in, on the opposite panel, don't you?

=
On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Egmont Kobl= inger <egmont@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

I personall= y prefer it being disabled. This way I can quickly change any setting (e.g.= panel listing format) knowing it won't persist and my config won't= be overwritten. Otherwise I'd eventually end up with a config that slo= wly, step by step diverges very far away from my original preference, or it= would take a significant amount of ongoing effort to manually revert every= thing that I change just for a couple of seconds.

What makes y= ou think the default setting is "wrong"? I don't think there&= #39;s an objective truth which vaule is the "good" and which is t= he "wrong". It's a matter of personal taste, and that's w= hy it's configurable.

I don't see a solid r= eason to set one value or the other as the default, and as such, I'd pe= rsonally prefer to keep it unchanged from the value that's been the def= ault in the last couple of years.

cheers,
= egmont

<= br>
On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 8:19 PM, solarf= low99 <solarflow99@gmail.com> wrote:
https://ma= il.gnome.org/archives/mc/2016-April/msg00000.html

Is there= any chance this can be set as default, its no use having these default set= tings to be wrong.

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Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 14:00:34 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: small request From: solarflow99 To: Egmont Koblinger Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c0481e893cd280531699565 Cc: mc devel X-BeenThere: mc-devel@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List for GNU Midnight Commander developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 21:00:36 -0000 --94eb2c0481e893cd280531699565 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 yes, exactly. thanks for the understanding, this would allow existing behaviour to continue the way it has been for years like you mentioned, I agree with that as well. On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 1:56 PM, Egmont Koblinger wrote: > Well, I don't :) but I get your point. > > So, to be sure... you're arguing that other_dir should be an exception and > should always be saved, even if the other options aren't? > > cheers, > egmont > > > > On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 10:53 PM, solarflow99 > wrote: > >> I didn't mean to save every change, its just other_dir never saves the >> last directory you were in. It always used to, thats why I felt the new >> behaviour was wrong. I find it really annoying to always lose the >> directory I was in, on the opposite panel, don't you? >> >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Egmont Koblinger >> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I personally prefer it being disabled. This way I can quickly change any >>> setting (e.g. panel listing format) knowing it won't persist and my config >>> won't be overwritten. Otherwise I'd eventually end up with a config that >>> slowly, step by step diverges very far away from my original preference, or >>> it would take a significant amount of ongoing effort to manually revert >>> everything that I change just for a couple of seconds. >>> >>> What makes you think the default setting is "wrong"? I don't think >>> there's an objective truth which vaule is the "good" and which is the >>> "wrong". It's a matter of personal taste, and that's why it's configurable. >>> >>> I don't see a solid reason to set one value or the other as the default, >>> and as such, I'd personally prefer to keep it unchanged from the value >>> that's been the default in the last couple of years. >>> >>> cheers, >>> egmont >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 8:19 PM, solarflow99 >>> wrote: >>> >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/mc/2016-April/msg00000.html >>>> >>>> Is there any chance this can be set as default, its no use having these >>>> default settings to be wrong. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> mc-devel mailing list >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc-devel >>>> >>>> >>> >> > --94eb2c0481e893cd280531699565 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

yes, exactly.=C2=A0 thanks for the understanding, this wou= ld allow existing behaviour to continue the way it has been for years like = you mentioned, I agree with that as well.

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 1:5= 6 PM, Egmont Koblinger <egmont@gmail.com> wrote:

Well, I don't :) = but I get your point.

So, to be sure... you're arguing tha= t other_dir should be an exception and should always be saved, even if the = other options aren't?

cheers,

egmont

On Tue, Apr 26= , 2016 at 10:53 PM, solarflow99 <solarflow99@gmail.com> = wrote:

I didn't= mean to save every change, its just other_dir never saves the last directo= ry you were in.=C2=A0 It always used to, thats why I felt the new behaviour= was wrong.=C2=A0 I find it really annoying to always lose the directory I = was in, on the opposite panel, don't you?

<= div>

On Tue, Apr 2= 6, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Egmont Koblinger <egmont@gmail.com> wrote= :
Hi,

I personally prefer it being disabled. This way I can q= uickly change any setting (e.g. panel listing format) knowing it won't = persist and my config won't be overwritten. Otherwise I'd eventuall= y end up with a config that slowly, step by step diverges very far away fro= m my original preference, or it would take a significant amount of ongoing = effort to manually revert everything that I change just for a couple of sec= onds.

What makes you think the default setting is "wrong&= quot;? I don't think there's an objective truth which vaule is the = "good" and which is the "wrong". It's a matter of p= ersonal taste, and that's why it's configurable.

I don't see a solid reason to set one value or the other as the d= efault, and as such, I'd personally prefer to keep it unchanged from th= e value that's been the default in the last couple of years.
<= div>
cheers,
egmont

On Tue, = Apr 26, 2016 at 8:19 PM, solarflow99 <solarflow99@gmail.com> wrote:
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/mc/2016-April/msg00000= .html

Is there any chance this can be set as default, its = no use having these default settings to be wrong.

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User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (LRH 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cpanel76.gzo.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - shurup.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: cpanel76.gzo.com: authenticated_id: yury+shurup.com/only user confirmed/virtual account not confirmed X-Authenticated-Sender: cpanel76.gzo.com: yury@shurup.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: mc devel X-BeenThere: mc-devel@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List for GNU Midnight Commander developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 05:58:19 -0000 On Tue, 26 Apr 2016, solarflow99 wrote: > yes, exactly. thanks for the understanding, this would allow existing > behaviour to continue the way it has been for years like you mentioned, > I agree with that as well. So, if one doesn't want other_dir to be saved automatically (like me), how do you propose to achieve this if the current behavior is modified such that it is excluded from panel autosave option? Introduce yet another micro-option specifically for other_dir? Right now, it's quite straightforward: you either get all or nothing. You like the state being carried over? Enable autosave, which is available as an option, but not on by default. You don't want this? Keep it off. You propose to decouple this for some chosen option, that is other_dir, and then we'll surely get someone complaining that he wants to be able to turn it off, so now we'll have to introduce yet another option ("carry over other_dir" and "carry over all other state"). How about just enabling autosave and letting it be? Or else, try mc^2 ;-) -- Sincerely yours, Yury V. 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This could always be overridden by unchecking it and saving settings. But no one will ever complain about having this back because no one complained until it was lost when mc 4.8 came out :) Would this really be too hard? We're talking about default fresh install settings. I don't like mc saving settings unless I tell it, also. But to make things easy for new users, what should the default setting be? I vote for auto-save. It makes mc "seem" smart. -- Peace and Cheer _______________________________________________ mc-devel mailing list https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc-devel --001a1142e5ccde0e6b053186daa3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Perhaps having something like "save directory paths&quo= t;, "other-dir" or similar as Paul mentioned could be added with = the default to just be ON.=C2=A0 This could always be overridden by uncheck= ing it and saving settings.=C2=A0 But no one will ever complain about havin= g this back because no one complained until it was lost when mc 4.8 came ou= t :)
Would this really be too hard?

We're talking about default fresh install settings. I don't like mc= saving settings unless I tell it, also. But to make things easy for new us= ers, what should the default setting be?

I vote for auto-save. It makes mc "seem" smart.

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Not especially to implement, but to present on the UI in a manner that's obvious to users. So, you'd move one single option to the realm of another config. How about also boundling current_is_left with this option? Why, or why not? How about all the other options? What if someone else wants a different option to be saved upon exit? Will we introduce another meta-option for them? Where would the new option "save directory paths" belong? Would this option itself be saved according to the already existing "auto-save setup" or according to itself? But no one will ever complain about having this back because no one > complained until it was lost when mc 4.8 came out :) > (Assuming it was indeed changed with 4.8) no one except you complained about it for the last 4.5 years, which is also a good way to measure the importance of such an option. While I understand your request and the rationale behind it, I'm really uncertain that mc should move in this direction. How about, for the time being, you enable auto-save and create a simple wrapper script for yourself that replaces your mc configs (restores everything except for other_dir) before starting up mc? I'm also thinking that _if_ we're indeed concerned that this and only this particular option deserves a special treatment, I'm wondering whether other_dir is better to be remembered globally or per-terminal. Maybe the latter, in which case we might go towards "mc -P" printing it in a certain format, and mc.sh storing it in an environment variable (somewhat similar concept to how the current directory is handled now)... cheers, egmont > Would this really be too hard? > > We're talking about default fresh install settings. I don't like mc saving > settings unless I tell it, also. But to make things easy for new users, > what should the default setting be? > > I vote for auto-save. It makes mc "seem" smart. > > > -- > Peace and Cheer > _______________________________________________ > mc-devel mailing list > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc-devel > > _______________________________________________ > mc-devel mailing list > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc-devel > > --001a1148578cac44ab05318724d5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On T= hu, Apr 28, 2016 at 9:55 AM, solarflow99 <solarflow99@gmail.com>= ; wrote:

Perhaps ha= ving something like "save directory paths", "other-dir"= or similar as Paul mentioned could be added with the default to just be ON= .=C2=A0 This could always be overridden by unchecking it and saving setting= s.

This is complicated. Not especially to implement, b= ut to present on the UI in a manner that's obvious to users.

<= div>

So, you'd move one single option to the realm of ano= ther config. How about also boundling current_is_left with this option? Why= , or why not?

How about all the other options? What if so= meone else wants a different option to be saved upon exit? Will we introduc= e another meta-option for them?

=C2=A0

Where wo= uld the new option "save directory paths" belong? Would this opti= on itself be saved according to the already existing "auto-save setup&= quot; or according to itself?

=C2=A0 But no one will ever complain about having = this back because no one complained until it was lost when mc 4.8 came out = :)

(Assuming it was indeed changed with 4.8) no on= e except you complained about it for the last 4.5 years, which is also a go= od way to measure the importance of such an option.

While= I understand your request and the rationale behind it, I'm really unce= rtain that mc should move in this direction.

How about, f= or the time being, you enable auto-save and create a simple wrapper script = for yourself that replaces your mc configs (restores everything except for = other_dir) before starting up mc?

I'm also= thinking that _if_ we're indeed concerned that this and only this part= icular option deserves a special treatment, I'm wondering whether other= _dir is better to be remembered globally or per-terminal. Maybe the latter,= in which case we might go towards "mc -P" printing it in a certa= in format, and mc.sh storing it in an environment variable (somewhat simila= r concept to how the current directory is handled now)...

cheers,

egmont

=C2=A0

Would this really be too hard?

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Organization: NCC Internet Services Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.18.5.2 (3.18.5.2-1.fc23) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: mc-devel@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List for GNU Midnight Commander developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 23:53:03 -0000 On Thu, 2016-04-28 at 10:15 +0200, Egmont Koblinger wrote: > On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 9:55 AM, solarflow99 > wrote: > > But no one will ever complain about having this back because no > > one complained until it was lost when mc 4.8 came out :) > > > (Assuming it was indeed changed with 4.8) no one except you > complained about it for the last 4.5 years, which is also a good way > to measure the importance of such an option. If we're talking about mc forgetting what directory it was in, I'm pretty sure I complained about it when that broke. I think I filed a bug in the Fedora/RedHat bugzilla thinking it was just a distro bug rather than an intentional change in mc's code. I can't seem to find a link to the bug now but if it's been more than a year, it might have been closed as a wontfix after a new Fedora rev came out. -Steve