From bosshrap at zhwin.ch Tue Jun 13 10:40:36 2006 From: bosshrap at zhwin.ch (Raphael Bosshard) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:40:36 +0200 Subject: [PATCH] Display binary prefix filesizes instead of decimal prefix filesizes (344296) Message-ID: <448ECE64.9030800@zhwin.ch> See http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344296 This patch changes the human readable filesizes (gnome_vfs_format_file_size_for_display) which are curently displayed (rather missleading) with binary prefix multipliers (such as Kilo, Mega, Giga) to more appropriate binary prefix multipiers (Kibi, Mebi, Gibi). The IEC approved standard symbols (KiB, MiB, GiB) are used. For more information please read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix So long, Raphael -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: gnome-vfs-display-binary-prefix.patch Type: text/x-patch Size: 1814 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-vfs-list/attachments/20060613/e6cecfd1/attachment.bin From alexl at redhat.com Sat Jun 17 04:57:21 2006 From: alexl at redhat.com (Alexander Larsson) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 10:57:21 +0200 Subject: [PATCH] Display binary prefix filesizes instead of decimal prefix filesizes (344296) In-Reply-To: <448ECE64.9030800@zhwin.ch> References: <448ECE64.9030800@zhwin.ch> Message-ID: <1150534641.1962.19.camel@greebo> On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 16:40 +0200, Raphael Bosshard wrote: > See http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344296 > > This patch changes the human readable filesizes > (gnome_vfs_format_file_size_for_display) which are curently displayed > (rather missleading) with binary prefix multipliers (such as Kilo, Mega, > Giga) to more appropriate binary prefix multipiers (Kibi, Mebi, Gibi). > The IEC approved standard symbols (KiB, MiB, GiB) are used. > > For more information please read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix This has already been denied in bugs like: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127175 Which references mails like: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-doc-list/2003-December/msg00004.html and the gnome docs style guides: http://developer.gnome.org/documents/style-guide/units.html For what its worth I very much agree with Patrick. The binary prefixes are silly and nobody but anal-retentive ultra-geeks will understand them, thus confusing the general userbase (who haven't seen them before). =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se He's a sword-wielding pirate librarian searching for his wife's true killer. She's a time-travelling junkie Hell's Angel in the wrong place at the wrong time. They fight crime! From nf2 at scheinwelt.at Sun Jun 18 18:53:56 2006 From: nf2 at scheinwelt.at (nf2) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 00:53:56 +0200 Subject: libxdg-vfs and Gtk-Filechooser Message-ID: <4495D984.5090705@scheinwelt.at> Hi, The experimental "libxdg-vfs" provides a generic interface to VFS libraries. It tries to autodetect the current desktop and then connects to Gnome-VFS or KIO by launching the backend executables xdg_vfs_gnome or xdg_vfs_kde. http://www.scheinwelt.at/~norbertf/dadapt/files/xdg_utils/doc/libxdg-vfs.html The target of "libxdg-vfs" would be giving applications access to ftp/smb shares etc... Of course this also involves bringing VFS access to filechoosers. AFAIK Gtk-Filechooser has pluggable backends (GtkFilesystem). It would be interesting if it could also run on top of "libxdg-vfs". The problem is, that i couldn't find any documentation how to implement a GtkFilesystem module. Could you please give me an introduction and maybe tell me about the specific requirements for a GtkFilesystem? Perhaps i need to provide more functions through "libxdg-vfs": listing and mounting Volumes, obtaining icon-paths,... Regards, Norbert From chris at gnome-de.org Sun Jun 18 13:36:47 2006 From: chris at gnome-de.org (Christian Neumair) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 19:36:47 +0200 Subject: [PATCH] Improve docs, new attempt Message-ID: <1150652208.22660.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> I've spent some more hours on GnomeVFS docs and the Xfer docs should be in a way better shape now. I got commit permission for the last one already, but this one is significantly larger (240 kB, but including the tmpl/ regeneration garbage). -- Christian Neumair -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: gnome-vfs-doc-3.diff.gz Type: application/x-gzip Size: 49984 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-vfs-list/attachments/20060618/b91d751b/attachment-0001.bin From ensonic at hora-obscura.de Mon Jun 19 18:30:37 2006 From: ensonic at hora-obscura.de (Stefan Kost) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:30:37 +0300 Subject: [PATCH] Improve docs, new attempt In-Reply-To: <1150652208.22660.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1150652208.22660.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1150756237.15396.6.camel@fluffy.local> Hi Christian, Am Sonntag, den 18.06.2006, 19:36 +0200 schrieb Christian Neumair: > I've spent some more hours on GnomeVFS docs and the Xfer docs should be > in a way better shape now. I got commit permission for the last one > already, but this one is significantly larger (240 kB, but including the > tmpl/ regeneration garbage). I strongly recommend to move all docs to the source files and remove the tmpl files from cvs totaly. If developers use different versions of gtk-doc, commiting partialy generated files such as the files under tmpl/ can often cause conflicts like those we know with po/*.po files. Besides developers will more likely update docs when they are close to the sources. In case you are not aware, even the section docs can be added to the sources (see the gtk-doc manual in yelp). Stefan From chipzz at ULYSSIS.Org Mon Jun 19 21:42:19 2006 From: chipzz at ULYSSIS.Org (Chipzz) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:42:19 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [PATCH] Improve docs, new attempt In-Reply-To: <1150652208.22660.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1150652208.22660.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: I only read about half of your patch, and not even all of it carefully, but here are a couple of suggestions: + * Either way, it acts like #GnomeVFSXferProgressCallback + * would act in non-asynchronous mode. The differences in + * invocation are explained in the gnome_vfs_async_xfer() + * documentation documentation. -> 2x documentation. + * @GNOME_VFS_FILE_TYPE_REGULAR: The file is regular (stat: %S_ISDIR). + * @GNOME_VFS_FILE_TYPE_DIRECTORY: The file is a directory (stat: %S_ISREG). -> "The file is a regular file" -> %S_ISDIR and %S_ISREG are swapped. + * @GNOME_VFS_PERM_USER_READ: Owner has read permission. etc... -> permission*s* ? + * @GNOME_VFS_PERM_OTHER_ALL: Others have all permissionss. -> permission*ss* ! + * @block_count: The size of the file in 512-byte blocks (a #GnomeVFSFileSize), -> I may be totally wrong here, but isn't this filesystem dependant? kr, On Sun, 18 Jun 2006, Christian Neumair wrote: > I've spent some more hours on GnomeVFS docs and the Xfer docs should be > in a way better shape now. I got commit permission for the last one > already, but this one is significantly larger (240 kB, but including the > tmpl/ regeneration garbage). Chipzz AKA Jan Van Buggenhout -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ UNIX isn't dead - It just smells funny Chipzz at ULYSSIS.Org ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Baldric, you wouldn't recognize a subtle plan if it painted itself pur- ple and danced naked on a harpsicord singing 'subtle plans are here a- gain'." From bosshrap at zhwin.ch Tue Jun 20 09:24:20 2006 From: bosshrap at zhwin.ch (Raphael Bosshard) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:24:20 +0200 Subject: [PATCH] Display binary prefix filesizes instead of decimal prefix filesizes (344296) In-Reply-To: <1150534641.1962.19.camel@greebo> References: <448ECE64.9030800@zhwin.ch> <1150534641.1962.19.camel@greebo> Message-ID: <1150809860.15905.28.camel@numenor> Hello there! > For what its worth I very much agree with Patrick. The binary prefixes > are silly and nobody but anal-retentive ultra-geeks will understand > them, thus confusing the general userbase (who haven't seen them > before). Well, that's strange. I never considered myself a "anal-retentive ultra-geek". And I certainly never thought that my sister would fit into the category of "anal-retentive ultra-geeks". And yet she was the one who brought up the topic when we upgraded her computer with a new hard disk last week. The disk was labeled "250 Gigabyte". Yet when we installed it,"only" 238 Gigabytes were available. I explained her that the disk manufacturer interpreted the term "Giga" in a other way then the software manufacturer. Being an "anal-retentive ultra-geek", she was bothered by this. My sister is by no means a technical person. But to her european decimalised mind "Kilo" means "a thousand" and not "a thousand and twenty four", just in the way that "Mega" means "a million" and not "one million four hundred forty nine thousand six hundred sixteen". It doesn't bother me, mind you. I know that in IT "Giga" doesn't mean "Giga". But I always thought that only "anal-retentive ultra-geeks" know that and I recently noticed it confuses the the general userbase (who haven't heard of that before). The strange thing is that almost everyone seems to agree (even Patrick) that binary prefixes are a good Idea. However; everyone seems to wait with the adaption of binary prefixes until everyone around has adapted them. Funny thing. I see no need to bother the documentation team; there is to much resistance against binary prefixes. So long, Raphael From alexl at redhat.com Tue Jun 20 09:49:59 2006 From: alexl at redhat.com (Alexander Larsson) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:49:59 +0200 Subject: [PATCH] Display binary prefix filesizes instead of decimal prefix filesizes (344296) In-Reply-To: <1150809860.15905.28.camel@numenor> References: <448ECE64.9030800@zhwin.ch> <1150534641.1962.19.camel@greebo> <1150809860.15905.28.camel@numenor> Message-ID: <1150811399.16397.51.camel@greebo> On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 15:24 +0200, Raphael Bosshard wrote: > > For what its worth I very much agree with Patrick. The binary prefixes > > are silly and nobody but anal-retentive ultra-geeks will understand > > them, thus confusing the general userbase (who haven't seen them > > before). > > Well, that's strange. I never considered myself a "anal-retentive > ultra-geek". And I certainly never thought that my sister would fit into > the category of "anal-retentive ultra-geeks". And yet she was the one > who brought up the topic when we upgraded her computer with a new hard > disk last week. The disk was labeled "250 Gigabyte". Yet when we > installed it,"only" 238 Gigabytes were available. I explained her that > the disk manufacturer interpreted the term "Giga" in a other way then > the software manufacturer. Being an "anal-retentive ultra-geek", she was > bothered by this. > > My sister is by no means a technical person. But to her european > decimalised mind "Kilo" means "a thousand" and not "a thousand and > twenty four", just in the way that "Mega" means "a million" and not "one > million four hundred forty nine thousand six hundred sixteen". I'm well aware of the problems with 1000/1024 multipliers. However, consider your sisters case if we used 238 gibibyte instead of 238 gigabyte. 1) We'd still show 238 instead of 250 which is listed which would cause your sister to wonder where the space went. 2) There would be a strange acronym in the UI that she had never seen before and didn't match what is commonly in use in ads, docs, hardware specifications etc. Its unfortunately true that terms like gigabyte and megabyte are very widespread and in active use by people who don't really know exactly what they mean. Changing this use is slow and hard. > It doesn't bother me, mind you. I know that in IT "Giga" doesn't mean > "Giga". But I always thought that only "anal-retentive ultra-geeks" know > that and I recently noticed it confuses the the general userbase (who > haven't heard of that before). > > The strange thing is that almost everyone seems to agree (even Patrick) > that binary prefixes are a good Idea. However; everyone seems to wait > with the adaption of binary prefixes until everyone around has adapted > them. Funny thing. This is almost always the case with such large (in terms of number of places/organizations it has to be changed) changes. I think its partly because the net gain of doing the change isn't really that large. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se He's a one-legged soccer-playing rock star who hangs with the wrong crowd. She's a plucky goth nun from Mars. They fight crime! From alexl@redhat.com Thu Jun 1 04:19:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 680983B0C81 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 04:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16118-02 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 04:19:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2B843B0C95 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 04:19:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k518JCYk032595; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 04:19:12 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k518JCBf005878; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 04:19:12 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k518J9Kt016649; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 04:19:10 -0400 From: Alexander Larsson To: David Zeuthen In-Reply-To: <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> References: <1148314063.5168.4.camel@localhost> <1148387730.19301.22.camel@greebo> <1148406054.5009.24.camel@localhost> <1148456225.19301.38.camel@greebo> <1148486395.4735.26.camel@greebo> <1148499503.5171.7.camel@localhost> <1148904283.16920.11.camel@greebo> <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:19:10 +0200 Message-Id: <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.587 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.587 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: [PATCH] computer:/// should display all drives, not only user-visible ones X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 08:19:18 -0000 On Wed, 2006-05-31 at 18:36 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: > Hi, > > Any reason this is not on the list? Also, please use my david@fubar.dk > email address since that's what I'm using for GNOME stuff. I dunno, it got removed at some point. I'm adding it back. > On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 14:04 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-05-24 at 21:38 +0200, Xavier Claessens wrote: > > > Le mercredi 24 mai 2006 à 17:59 +0200, Alexander Larsson a écrit : > > > > Here is the thing. I don't expect there to be a GnomeVFSDrive for > > > > the /home volume (which i assume is a normal mountpoint on another > > > > partition). We should only have drive objects for real removable media > > > > mountpoints. > > > > > > I join a simple program I made which lists all your drives and volumes > > > and says if they are user visible. It's what helped me understand how > > > GnomeVFS works :-) > > > > This seems to be a bug in the hal version of the monitoring. We're not > > supposed to be creating drive objects for all harddrives in the system. > > A Drive is supposed to be something you can insert a removable volume > > in, like a cdrom reader, a floppy reader, or a usb card reader. On my > > system hal creates a drive for e.g. /mnt/hdb1 which is a normal ext3 > > filesystem mounted at roottime and not user-mountable. This shouldn't > > only exist in the volume monitor as a non-user_visible volume, not as a > > drive. This used to be papered over in computer:// since the volumes for > > the drives were always mounted and not user-visible, so they got > > hidden. > > > > David, I don't really know the hal stuff. Could you look into this? > > So I'm not really sure why we want this difference you are describing. > In fact I'd argue that we indeed want to show volumes from e.g. the > internal hard disk for e.g. your Windows and OS X partitions. > > And this indeed requires a GnomeVFSDrive because the partition may not > be mounted and we only have a GnomeVFSVolume for a GnomeVFSDrive when > the partition the GnomeVFSDrive represents is actually mounted (that's > my understanding of the how Gnome VFS works). The initial design for drives was to represent devices that use removable media (such as cdrom drives, floppy drives, usb card readers, etc). For these devices the operations on the device are "natural" to the user. Its true that one can also view them as just "possible mountpoints for volumes", which means you could have a drive for your OSX or windows partition. However, when you expose this in the UI you suddenly turn a very explicit obvious hardware mapping into a way to expose the much more vague and complicated unix operation of "mounting a filesystem". I.E. you remove the mapping from icons in the UI to hardware units you can put stuff into. If you take the view of a non-unix person (i.e. one unaware of the details of mountpoints etc) using a Gnome desktop with a separate HD you have basically three cases. Either the partition is mounted, the user is allowed to mount the partition, or the user isn't allowed to mount the partition. In the first case we clearly should show a volume icon, and in the last case i argue that we should never show a drive icon (it would do nothing but confuse people). The question is what to in the second case. In an ideal desktop system I don't think that state really is very useful. What non-sysadmin-related use would you have for not mounting that volume if you are allowed to mount it anyway? In the case on a non-ideal unix system the question gets complicated and turns into a question about whether the mountpoint is an "internal implementation detail" of the filesystem mount tree or not, and this becomes very similar to the question whether to expand symlinks or not (don't expand /home to /mnt/hdb/home, but expand ~/Desktop/music to ~/Documents/MyMusic). Some cases are simple, you never want to display /, /proc, /sys, /dev/pts, /boot, etc. However, for others things are not so easy. I have for instance /mnt/hdb1 on my system where i have symlinks like /opt -> /mnt/hdb1/opt. I wouldn't want to display this. Whether to show such drives or not is clearly a complicated, system-dependent issue and should be solved in the lower layers, and not solved in each app using gnome-vfs. The change that resulted in this being an acute problem was that we decided to hide drives that support auto-mount in all places but computer:// by using the is_user_visible flag of the drive. Doing this means that flag is used for that and can't also be used to flag whether a drive is "internal" or not. I think just not having drive objects for internal mountpoints is the easiest solution to this. > So I think what you want is to hide is exactly volumes that are mounted > on traditional FHS mount points, e.g. /, /usr. I can't see why we should > enforce this policy in Gnome VFS when the bits above (e.g. Nautilus, > Filechooser) can handle this much better? I don't understand how you think nautilus can handle this better? =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a gun-slinging voodoo master criminal whom everyone believes is mad. She's a strong-willed impetuous detective descended from a line of powerful witches. They fight crime! From xclaesse@gmail.com Sun Jun 4 17:08:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 948253B01AC for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10855-08 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:08:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outmx018.isp.belgacom.be (outmx018.isp.belgacom.be [195.238.4.117]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7837F3B016C for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outmx018.isp.belgacom.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outmx018.isp.belgacom.be (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Skynet-OUT-2.22) with ESMTP id k54L8WOP014717 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 23:08:32 +0200 (envelope-from ) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (85-212.242.81.adsl.skynet.be [81.242.212.85]) by outmx018.isp.belgacom.be (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Skynet-OUT-2.22) with ESMTP id k54L8V56014703; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 23:08:31 +0200 (envelope-from ) From: Xavier Claessens To: Alexander Larsson In-Reply-To: <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> References: <1148314063.5168.4.camel@localhost> <1148387730.19301.22.camel@greebo> <1148406054.5009.24.camel@localhost> <1148456225.19301.38.camel@greebo> <1148486395.4735.26.camel@greebo> <1148499503.5171.7.camel@localhost> <1148904283.16920.11.camel@greebo> <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-OBWowAwOL3MMyW2FiPT8" Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 23:08:31 +0200 Message-Id: <1149455311.15249.18.camel@zdra-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.005 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.475, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_NEUTRAL=1.069] X-Spam-Score: -2.005 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" , David Zeuthen Subject: Re: [PATCH] computer:/// should display all drives, not only user-visible ones X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 21:08:44 -0000 --=-OBWowAwOL3MMyW2FiPT8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Le jeudi 01 juin 2006 =C3=A0 10:19 +0200, Alexander Larsson a =C3=A9crit : > On Wed, 2006-05-31 at 18:36 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: > > Hi, > >=20 > > Any reason this is not on the list? Also, please use my david@fubar.dk > > email address since that's what I'm using for GNOME stuff. >=20 > I dunno, it got removed at some point. I'm adding it back. >=20 > > On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 14:04 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > > On Wed, 2006-05-24 at 21:38 +0200, Xavier Claessens wrote: > > > > Le mercredi 24 mai 2006 =C3=A0 17:59 +0200, Alexander Larsson a =C3= =A9crit : > > > > > Here is the thing. I don't expect there to be a GnomeVFSDrive for > > > > > the /home volume (which i assume is a normal mountpoint on anothe= r > > > > > partition). We should only have drive objects for real removable = media > > > > > mountpoints. > > > >=20 > > > > I join a simple program I made which lists all your drives and volu= mes > > > > and says if they are user visible. It's what helped me understand h= ow > > > > GnomeVFS works :-) > > >=20 > > > This seems to be a bug in the hal version of the monitoring. We're no= t > > > supposed to be creating drive objects for all harddrives in the syste= m. > > > A Drive is supposed to be something you can insert a removable volume > > > in, like a cdrom reader, a floppy reader, or a usb card reader. On my > > > system hal creates a drive for e.g. /mnt/hdb1 which is a normal ext3 > > > filesystem mounted at roottime and not user-mountable. This shouldn't > > > only exist in the volume monitor as a non-user_visible volume, not as= a > > > drive. This used to be papered over in computer:// since the volumes = for > > > the drives were always mounted and not user-visible, so they got > > > hidden.=20 > > >=20 > > > David, I don't really know the hal stuff. Could you look into this? > >=20 > > So I'm not really sure why we want this difference you are describing. > > In fact I'd argue that we indeed want to show volumes from e.g. the > > internal hard disk for e.g. your Windows and OS X partitions.=20 > >=20 > > And this indeed requires a GnomeVFSDrive because the partition may not > > be mounted and we only have a GnomeVFSVolume for a GnomeVFSDrive when > > the partition the GnomeVFSDrive represents is actually mounted (that's > > my understanding of the how Gnome VFS works). >=20 > The initial design for drives was to represent devices that use > removable media (such as cdrom drives, floppy drives, usb card readers, > etc). For these devices the operations on the device are "natural" to > the user. Its true that one can also view them as just "possible > mountpoints for volumes", which means you could have a drive for your > OSX or windows partition. However, when you expose this in the UI you > suddenly turn a very explicit obvious hardware mapping into a way to > expose the much more vague and complicated unix operation of "mounting a > filesystem". I.E. you remove the mapping from icons in the UI to > hardware units you can put stuff into. >=20 > If you take the view of a non-unix person (i.e. one unaware of the > details of mountpoints etc) using a Gnome desktop with a separate HD > you have basically three cases. Either the partition is mounted, the > user is allowed to mount the partition, or the user isn't allowed to > mount the partition. In the first case we clearly should show a volume > icon, and in the last case i argue that we should never show a drive > icon (it would do nothing but confuse people).=20 >=20 > The question is what to in the second case. In an ideal desktop system I > don't think that state really is very useful. What non-sysadmin-related > use would you have for not mounting that volume if you are allowed to > mount it anyway? In the case on a non-ideal unix system the question > gets complicated and turns into a question about whether the mountpoint > is an "internal implementation detail" of the filesystem mount tree or > not, and this becomes very similar to the question whether to expand > symlinks or not (don't expand /home to /mnt/hdb/home, but expand > ~/Desktop/music to ~/Documents/MyMusic). Some cases are simple, you > never want to display /, /proc, /sys, /dev/pts, /boot, etc. However, for > others things are not so easy. I have for instance /mnt/hdb1 on my > system where i have symlinks like /opt -> /mnt/hdb1/opt. I wouldn't want > to display this. >=20 > Whether to show such drives or not is clearly a complicated, > system-dependent issue and should be solved in the lower layers, and not > solved in each app using gnome-vfs. >=20 > The change that resulted in this being an acute problem was that we > decided to hide drives that support auto-mount in all places but > computer:// by using the is_user_visible flag of the drive. Doing this > means that flag is used for that and can't also be used to flag whether > a drive is "internal" or not. I think just not having drive objects for > internal mountpoints is the easiest solution to this. >=20 > > So I think what you want is to hide is exactly volumes that are mounted > > on traditional FHS mount points, e.g. /, /usr. I can't see why we shoul= d > > enforce this policy in Gnome VFS when the bits above (e.g. Nautilus, > > Filechooser) can handle this much better? >=20 > I don't understand how you think nautilus can handle this better?=20 >=20 I think we can't do everything with only an user_visible flag. There is 2 different concepts: first the user_visible itself which should be used to hide partition's drives and other useless drives, second the auto-mountable property. I suggest to make something like: gboolean gnome_vfs_drive_is_auto_mountable (GnomeVFSDrive*); Like that we display all user_visible drives in computer:/// (including unmounted cdroms) but we only show user_visible && !auto_moutable drive in nautilus's place sidebar. I don't know how will GtkFileChooser work with that, because it should so see the auto_mount flag and hide automountable drives... Currently it seems that it follows the user_visible flag, at least when using gnomeVFS backend. I you are OK with this idea I can make patches for GnomeVFS/Nautilus 2.15.x For the other problem, which is computer:/// doesn't handle multi-volume drives, what about just updating the drive's icon when the first volume comes (like now in most cases) and if we get more volumes we add files like I did in my first patch. What do you think about that ? Xavier Claessens. --=-OBWowAwOL3MMyW2FiPT8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Ceci est une partie de message =?ISO-8859-1?Q?num=E9riquement?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_sign=E9e?= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEg0vO6dEBUn2qPAMRAvTuAJ9ntPlAFivY6fFkxmdvJcY47+BPFgCfU8uo 02AtDX37Xa3rjeu3Tck07hg= =Mgs1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-OBWowAwOL3MMyW2FiPT8-- From xclaesse@gmail.com Sun Jun 4 17:19:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 373613B0311 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11487-02 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outmx006.isp.belgacom.be (outmx006.isp.belgacom.be [195.238.4.99]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A36623B01B7 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outmx006.isp.belgacom.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outmx006.isp.belgacom.be (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Skynet-OUT-2.22) with ESMTP id k54LJTW9004701 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 23:19:30 +0200 (envelope-from ) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (85-212.242.81.adsl.skynet.be [81.242.212.85]) by outmx006.isp.belgacom.be (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Skynet-OUT-2.22) with ESMTP id k54LJQOB004670 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 23:19:27 +0200 (envelope-from ) From: Xavier Claessens To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-H/k/fxPKXIxMmyFvNdyr" Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 23:19:26 +0200 Message-Id: <1149455967.15249.30.camel@zdra-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.003 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.473, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_NEUTRAL=1.069] X-Spam-Score: -2.003 X-Spam-Level: Subject: volume-unmounted signal on GnomeVFSDrive X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 21:19:35 -0000 --=-H/k/fxPKXIxMmyFvNdyr Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, As I understand the "volume-unmounted" signal is emitted before the volume unmounted is really removed from the drive. So in the callback, if we run gnome_vfs_drive_get_mounted_volumes() it will return a GList still containing the unmounted GnomeVFSVolume. I think it should be very useful to have a callback after everything is done. For example in nautilus'places sidebar when we get the "volume-unmounted" callback we can't update the sidebar yet because the drive still has the volume connected... so we add a g_idle_add() to have a callback after everything is done and then we can update the sidebar. I think that's more a workaround than a real solution. What about adding in GnomeVFSDrive and GnomeVFSVolumeMonitor a "volume-post-unmount" callback (we already have a "volume-pre-unmount" cb) ? I you are OK with the idea I can make a patch. Xavier Claessens. --=-H/k/fxPKXIxMmyFvNdyr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Ceci est une partie de message =?ISO-8859-1?Q?num=E9riquement?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_sign=E9e?= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEg05e6dEBUn2qPAMRArR9AKCAmWMgqHE/lg5Ub8z2UhNQafssNgCffgDr h5y25qZ9aTpyf3qPuFAFv0w= =yGzq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-H/k/fxPKXIxMmyFvNdyr-- From keni4i@yahoo.com Sun Jun 4 15:51:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BB533B017A for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 15:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07508-01 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 15:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web61323.mail.yahoo.com (web61323.mail.yahoo.com [209.73.179.77]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 530A33B0101 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 15:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 83293 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jun 2006 19:51:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=prZjog0TXPnF+wlE8LBjO9ySalKcONTauN625ePWqsxA6/eYIQZOrZWunGBSRW20iSnr/iiWsHPBFthOeIqLOsLexDW7T3aTYgwjucP/yQ1qjDWlisdhLiDAzsEwmX8lzYFi+yno63B1RiIoGz7A13QEW8nvwxcZyJ8QEYBNRec= ; Message-ID: <20060604195153.83291.qmail@web61323.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.100.226.12] by web61323.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 12:51:53 PDT Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 12:51:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Ken Ishii To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.119 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.767, BAYES_50=0.001, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447] X-Spam-Score: -0.119 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 18:29:01 -0400 Subject: gnome_vfs_uri_hash() bug? X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 19:51:57 -0000 gnome_vfs_uri_hash() has the following code section: for (uri_p = uri; uri_p != NULL; uri_p = uri_p->parent) { HASH_STRING (hash_value, uri_p->text); HASH_STRING (hash_value, uri_p->method_string); if (uri_p->parent != NULL) { const GnomeVFSToplevelURI *toplevel; toplevel = (const GnomeVFSToplevelURI *) uri_p; Since GnomeVFSToplevelURI is defined to be an URI without a parent, shouldn't if (uri_p->parent != NULL) be if (uri_p->parent == NULL) instead? Ken Ishii __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From david@fubar.dk Mon Jun 5 17:57:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E8BB3B0625 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 17:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02934-09 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 17:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from davidz.fubar.dk (unknown [208.184.5.49]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 264F33B03A0 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 17:57:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.115] (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by davidz.fubar.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id C71269CE06B; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 17:56:59 -0400 (EDT) From: David Zeuthen To: Alexander Larsson In-Reply-To: <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> References: <1148314063.5168.4.camel@localhost> <1148387730.19301.22.camel@greebo> <1148406054.5009.24.camel@localhost> <1148456225.19301.38.camel@greebo> <1148486395.4735.26.camel@greebo> <1148499503.5171.7.camel@localhost> <1148904283.16920.11.camel@greebo> <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 17:58:06 -0400 Message-Id: <1149544687.5951.56.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.2.1 (2.7.2.1-4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.567 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.032, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.567 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: [PATCH] computer:/// should display all drives, not only user-visible ones X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:57:05 -0000 Hi, Sorry for the late reply, On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 10:19 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > So I'm not really sure why we want this difference you are describing. > > In fact I'd argue that we indeed want to show volumes from e.g. the > > internal hard disk for e.g. your Windows and OS X partitions. > > > > And this indeed requires a GnomeVFSDrive because the partition may not > > be mounted and we only have a GnomeVFSVolume for a GnomeVFSDrive when > > the partition the GnomeVFSDrive represents is actually mounted (that's > > my understanding of the how Gnome VFS works). > > The initial design for drives was to represent devices that use > removable media (such as cdrom drives, floppy drives, usb card readers, > etc). For these devices the operations on the device are "natural" to > the user. Its true that one can also view them as just "possible > mountpoints for volumes", which means you could have a drive for your > OSX or windows partition. However, when you expose this in the UI you > suddenly turn a very explicit obvious hardware mapping into a way to > expose the much more vague and complicated unix operation of "mounting a > filesystem". I.E. you remove the mapping from icons in the UI to > hardware units you can put stuff into. As a user I'm not really sure there is a huge difference between "Macintosh HD" and "1GB Compact Flash media". Both contains files I'm interested in using, I don't care where they come from. > If you take the view of a non-unix person (i.e. one unaware of the > details of mountpoints etc) using a Gnome desktop with a separate HD > you have basically three cases. Either the partition is mounted, the > user is allowed to mount the partition, or the user isn't allowed to > mount the partition. In the first case we clearly should show a volume > icon, and in the last case i argue that we should never show a drive > icon (it would do nothing but confuse people). > > The question is what to in the second case. In an ideal desktop system I > don't think that state really is very useful. What non-sysadmin-related > use would you have for not mounting that volume if you are allowed to > mount it anyway? In the case on a non-ideal unix system the question > gets complicated and turns into a question about whether the mountpoint > is an "internal implementation detail" of the filesystem mount tree or > not, and this becomes very similar to the question whether to expand > symlinks or not (don't expand /home to /mnt/hdb/home, but expand > ~/Desktop/music to ~/Documents/MyMusic). Some cases are simple, you > never want to display /, /proc, /sys, /dev/pts, /boot, etc. However, for > others things are not so easy. I have for instance /mnt/hdb1 on my > system where i have symlinks like /opt -> /mnt/hdb1/opt. I wouldn't want > to display this. > > Whether to show such drives or not is clearly a complicated, > system-dependent issue and should be solved in the lower layers, and not > solved in each app using gnome-vfs. > > The change that resulted in this being an acute problem was that we > decided to hide drives that support auto-mount in all places but > computer:// by using the is_user_visible flag of the drive. Doing this > means that flag is used for that and can't also be used to flag whether > a drive is "internal" or not. I think just not having drive objects for > internal mountpoints is the easiest solution to this. Well, the reality is that lots of people dual or triple boot and they have files they care about on the Macintosh and Windows hard drives. And I don't think it's uncommon at all to attach removable drives formatted with e.g. HFS+ or NTFS. If security (we can't let the user automatically get full read access to e.g. an hfs+ fs on the Mac harddisk) and availability of file system driver code (NTFS write support is still not widely available) wasn't a concern this would be easy; we'd simply automount these with uid=500 and be done with it. We want this such that the user can access his files in e.g. /Users/davidz which has a different uid on the Mac OS X system (such as uid=1000). However, things are a lot more complicated. For example, if you have full write access (like when you mount with uid=500) to the root partition of another operating system as an unprivileged user (with uid=500) you can essentially change the password database on that fs and, bingo, what was previously a secure system before you put Linux (or whatever on it) now has issues. There's also things like EAL [1] that is important, e.g. we should be able to totally lock down the system such that you can't use it for anything, not even access your removable media. Surely, in this situation, we want to still show to the user that he got a card reader plugged in but that the organizational policy of his employer (or whatever) prevents him from using it. Perhaps, in the name of usability, we might give him a button titled "Request permission to use device" (would file a request to the IT department) when he clicks it or, if it's an administrator, he can put in his password or authenticate in other ways. This is where usability and security meets, fighting each other like cats and dogs. Can you see the dilemma? Like it or not, this is from the real world [2] and bills like Sarbanes-Oxley etc. don't make this *any* easier. This is why I started PolicyKit. PolicyKit and gnome-mount will help solve this problem though not in a very elegant way [3] but it will provide a "one-time-click" "solution" to the problem. Some might say the user looses here (just look at the recent Microsoft Vista reviews where the user is bombarded with dialogs) but we're still left with the dilemma mentioned above. And we do want (I believe) GNOME to be a viable contender on the desktop and that means we need to support lock-down and things like EAL and Sarbanes-Oxley. Just as we want it to work for home users who just wants to access that movie on the NTFS or hfs+ partition from his home directory on "that other operating system". The approach taken by PolicyKit and gnome-mount is best compromise I've come up with so far. I'm not convinced it's perfect though, and I haven't had time to complete it yet though things are slowly moving forward. So what am I trying to say? I'm trying to say it makes sense to show all drives and their mountable file systems notwithstanding the user might be allowed to access them. Because if they're not privileged they should at least get a chance to see the drive is there (otherwise you get "My drive didn't show up! Is the computer broken?") along with an explanation why they can't access it maybe even with a possibility to auth for access. > > So I think what you want is to hide is exactly volumes that are mounted > > on traditional FHS mount points, e.g. /, /usr. I can't see why we should > > enforce this policy in Gnome VFS when the bits above (e.g. Nautilus, > > Filechooser) can handle this much better? > > I don't understand how you think nautilus can handle this better? Agreed, yea, probably GNOME VFS would know best. David [1] : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evaluation_Assurance_Level [2] : http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20040916.html Search for "epoxy". [3] : See http://people.freedesktop.org/~david/perm-override/gnome-mount-perm-override-1.png http://people.freedesktop.org/~david/perm-override/gnome-mount-perm-override-2.png From alexl@redhat.com Wed Jun 7 02:58:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 730983B0342 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:58:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20729-09 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C47583B01B2 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:58:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k576wSRX026164; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:58:28 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k576wNdo031791; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:58:23 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k576wMrc020424; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:58:23 -0400 From: Alexander Larsson To: David Zeuthen In-Reply-To: <1149544687.5951.56.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> References: <1148314063.5168.4.camel@localhost> <1148387730.19301.22.camel@greebo> <1148406054.5009.24.camel@localhost> <1148456225.19301.38.camel@greebo> <1148486395.4735.26.camel@greebo> <1148499503.5171.7.camel@localhost> <1148904283.16920.11.camel@greebo> <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> <1149544687.5951.56.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 08:58:24 +0200 Message-Id: <1149663504.5416.123.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.587 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.587 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: [PATCH] computer:/// should display all drives, not only user-visible ones X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 06:58:31 -0000 On Mon, 2006-06-05 at 17:58 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: > So what am I trying to say? I'm trying to say it makes sense to show all > drives and their mountable file systems notwithstanding the user might > be allowed to access them. Because if they're not privileged they should > at least get a chance to see the drive is there (otherwise you get "My > drive didn't show up! Is the computer broken?") along with an > explanation why they can't access it maybe even with a possibility to > auth for access. I don't really follow your reasoning fully. I agree that users want to see their OSX and/or windows mounts from linux, but I think you over-empasize the "single user, dual boot, home desktop" usecase. In the case of more traditional sysadmined unix setups (at universities and whatnot) you'll have a bunch of bizzare mountpoints (nfs mounts, autofs mounts, tmpfs, /usr, /home, extra drives/partitions, etc). If we were to show all these, then I think things would look pretty confusing. I really think we need to hide a bunch of mountpoints. Some mountpoints can probably be hardcoded (like /proc, /tmp/, /home, /opt/*, /usr, and /boot), but we can never think of all possibilities, so we should probably have a way to mark them. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a benighted playboy dog-catcher whom everyone believes is mad. She's a sarcastic extravagent former first lady from a family of eight older brothers. They fight crime! From xclaesse@gmail.com Wed Jun 7 08:51:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 546413B0B28 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:51:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13070-01 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outmx007.isp.belgacom.be (outmx007.isp.belgacom.be [195.238.5.234]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A19F93B03C4 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outmx007.isp.belgacom.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outmx007.isp.belgacom.be (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Skynet-OUT-2.22) with ESMTP id k57Cow2U030006 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:51:03 +0200 (envelope-from ) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (68-220.242.81.adsl.skynet.be [81.242.220.68]) by outmx007.isp.belgacom.be (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Skynet-OUT-2.22) with ESMTP id k57CovMd029978; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:50:57 +0200 (envelope-from ) From: Xavier Claessens To: Alexander Larsson In-Reply-To: <1149663504.5416.123.camel@greebo> References: <1148314063.5168.4.camel@localhost> <1148387730.19301.22.camel@greebo> <1148406054.5009.24.camel@localhost> <1148456225.19301.38.camel@greebo> <1148486395.4735.26.camel@greebo> <1148499503.5171.7.camel@localhost> <1148904283.16920.11.camel@greebo> <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> <1149544687.5951.56.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149663504.5416.123.camel@greebo> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-hOGtOF5lpypbLjK1X4t7" Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:51:08 +0200 Message-Id: <1149684668.5095.1.camel@zdra-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.471, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_NEUTRAL=1.069] X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" , David Zeuthen Subject: Re: [PATCH] computer:/// should display all drives, not only user-visible ones X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:51:14 -0000 --=-hOGtOF5lpypbLjK1X4t7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Le mercredi 07 juin 2006 =C3=A0 08:58 +0200, Alexander Larsson a =C3=A9crit= : > On Mon, 2006-06-05 at 17:58 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: >=20 > > So what am I trying to say? I'm trying to say it makes sense to show al= l > > drives and their mountable file systems notwithstanding the user might > > be allowed to access them. Because if they're not privileged they shoul= d > > at least get a chance to see the drive is there (otherwise you get "My > > drive didn't show up! Is the computer broken?") along with an > > explanation why they can't access it maybe even with a possibility to > > auth for access. >=20 > I don't really follow your reasoning fully. I agree that users want to > see their OSX and/or windows mounts from linux, but I think you > over-empasize the "single user, dual boot, home desktop" usecase. In the > case of more traditional sysadmined unix setups (at universities and > whatnot) you'll have a bunch of bizzare mountpoints (nfs mounts, autofs > mounts, tmpfs, /usr, /home, extra drives/partitions, etc).=20 >=20 > If we were to show all these, then I think things would look pretty > confusing. I really think we need to hide a bunch of mountpoints. Some > mountpoints can probably be hardcoded > (like /proc, /tmp/, /home, /opt/*, /usr, and /boot), but we can never > think of all possibilities, so we should probably have a way to mark > them. >=20 We should only display "/media/*" and "/mnt/*" Xavier. --=-hOGtOF5lpypbLjK1X4t7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Ceci est une partie de message =?ISO-8859-1?Q?num=E9riquement?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_sign=E9e?= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEhsu76dEBUn2qPAMRApRBAJwNCLBuPyxCtkh0sIbICQBqpRGDFACfaN00 Kc9Uz6ZIjQ4wxsbbHO74ZG0= =Wmaq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-hOGtOF5lpypbLjK1X4t7-- From tomasek@ebed.etf.cuni.cz Wed Jun 7 08:55:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 864A63B0C97 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13300-04 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ebed.etf.cuni.cz (ebed.etf.cuni.cz [195.113.5.3]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E66983B03C4 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ebed.etf.cuni.cz (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ebed.etf.cuni.cz (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k57ChDPX029737 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:43:13 +0200 Received: (from tomasek@localhost) by ebed.etf.cuni.cz (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Submit) id k57ChDrV029735 for gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:43:13 +0200 Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:43:13 +0200 From: Petr Tomasek To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20060607124313.GA29329@ebed.etf.cuni.cz> References: <1148456225.19301.38.camel@greebo> <1148486395.4735.26.camel@greebo> <1148499503.5171.7.camel@localhost> <1148904283.16920.11.camel@greebo> <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> <1149544687.5951.56.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149663504.5416.123.camel@greebo> <1149684668.5095.1.camel@zdra-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1149684668.5095.1.camel@zdra-desktop> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Homepage: http://www.etf.cuni.cz/~tomasek/ X-Echelon: bomb Arafat Intifada bus kach drugs mafia boss heroin spy Semtex Saddam Al-Qaida Usama bin Ladin Bush Sharon X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.535 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.064, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.535 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: [PATCH] computer:/// should display all drives, not only user-visible ones X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:55:00 -0000 > > I don't really follow your reasoning fully. I agree that users want to > > see their OSX and/or windows mounts from linux, but I think you > > over-empasize the "single user, dual boot, home desktop" usecase. In the > > case of more traditional sysadmined unix setups (at universities and > > whatnot) you'll have a bunch of bizzare mountpoints (nfs mounts, autofs > > mounts, tmpfs, /usr, /home, extra drives/partitions, etc). > > > > If we were to show all these, then I think things would look pretty > > confusing. I really think we need to hide a bunch of mountpoints. Some > > mountpoints can probably be hardcoded > > (like /proc, /tmp/, /home, /opt/*, /usr, and /boot), but we can never > > think of all possibilities, so we should probably have a way to mark > > them. > > > > We should only display "/media/*" and "/mnt/*" > > Xavier. Please, let it be configurable! There are people who prefer mounting media under "/" (like "/cdrom", etc.) P.T. -- Petr Tomasek From david@fubar.dk Wed Jun 7 09:42:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 565EE3B03C1 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:42:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17395-02 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:42:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from davidz.fubar.dk (unknown [208.184.5.49]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8057D3B0229 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:42:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.115] (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by davidz.fubar.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CDC19CE06F; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:42:47 -0400 (EDT) From: David Zeuthen To: Xavier Claessens In-Reply-To: <1149684668.5095.1.camel@zdra-desktop> References: <1148314063.5168.4.camel@localhost> <1148387730.19301.22.camel@greebo> <1148406054.5009.24.camel@localhost> <1148456225.19301.38.camel@greebo> <1148486395.4735.26.camel@greebo> <1148499503.5171.7.camel@localhost> <1148904283.16920.11.camel@greebo> <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> <1149544687.5951.56.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149663504.5416.123.camel@greebo> <1149684668.5095.1.camel@zdra-desktop> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 09:43:54 -0400 Message-Id: <1149687834.2424.24.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.2.1 (2.7.2.1-4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.57 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.029, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.57 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" , Alexander Larsson Subject: Re: [PATCH] computer:/// should display all drives, not only user-visible ones X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:42:51 -0000 On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 14:51 +0200, Xavier Claessens wrote: > > I don't really follow your reasoning fully. I agree that users want to > > see their OSX and/or windows mounts from linux, but I think you > > over-empasize the "single user, dual boot, home desktop" usecase. In the > > case of more traditional sysadmined unix setups (at universities and > > whatnot) you'll have a bunch of bizzare mountpoints (nfs mounts, autofs > > mounts, tmpfs, /usr, /home, extra drives/partitions, etc). > > > > If we were to show all these, then I think things would look pretty > > confusing. I really think we need to hide a bunch of mountpoints. Some > > mountpoints can probably be hardcoded > > (like /proc, /tmp/, /home, /opt/*, /usr, and /boot), but we can never > > think of all possibilities, so we should probably have a way to mark > > them. Yea, of course we should hide such bizarre mount points. My point was merely we ought to show drives/mounts even if the user is not privileged to mount them. > > > > We should only display "/media/*" and "/mnt/*" Yup, that's one option, maybe just resort to showing entries from /media then alexl's /mnt/hdb1 drive won't be shown (and if alexl wants it to be shown he can move the mount point to /media). Personally I think we should just hide all the directories and subdirs as defined by FHS2.3. We do that here http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/gnome-vfs/libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-hal-mounts.c?view=markup in function _hal_volume_policy_check() though I'm unsure whether this code is used at the moment (will look into that). David From alexl@redhat.com Fri Jun 9 07:20:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF0E53B0097 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18633-05 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AB843B011C for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59BJwQm005302; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:19:58 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59BJwLZ006488; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:19:58 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59BJvoV024293; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:19:57 -0400 From: Alexander Larsson To: David Zeuthen In-Reply-To: <1149687834.2424.24.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> References: <1148314063.5168.4.camel@localhost> <1148387730.19301.22.camel@greebo> <1148406054.5009.24.camel@localhost> <1148456225.19301.38.camel@greebo> <1148486395.4735.26.camel@greebo> <1148499503.5171.7.camel@localhost> <1148904283.16920.11.camel@greebo> <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> <1149544687.5951.56.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149663504.5416.123.camel@greebo> <1149684668.5095.1.camel@zdra-desktop> <1149687834.2424.24.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 13:19:57 +0200 Message-Id: <1149851997.3023.51.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.587 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.587 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: [PATCH] computer:/// should display all drives, not only user-visible ones X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 11:20:05 -0000 On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 09:43 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 14:51 +0200, Xavier Claessens wrote: > > > I don't really follow your reasoning fully. I agree that users want to > > > see their OSX and/or windows mounts from linux, but I think you > > > over-empasize the "single user, dual boot, home desktop" usecase. In the > > > case of more traditional sysadmined unix setups (at universities and > > > whatnot) you'll have a bunch of bizzare mountpoints (nfs mounts, autofs > > > mounts, tmpfs, /usr, /home, extra drives/partitions, etc). > > > > > > If we were to show all these, then I think things would look pretty > > > confusing. I really think we need to hide a bunch of mountpoints. Some > > > mountpoints can probably be hardcoded > > > (like /proc, /tmp/, /home, /opt/*, /usr, and /boot), but we can never > > > think of all possibilities, so we should probably have a way to mark > > > them. > > Yea, of course we should hide such bizarre mount points. My point was > merely we ought to show drives/mounts even if the user is not privileged > to mount them. > > > > > > > > We should only display "/media/*" and "/mnt/*" > > Yup, that's one option, maybe just resort to showing entries from /media > then alexl's /mnt/hdb1 drive won't be shown (and if alexl wants it to be > shown he can move the mount point to /media). Personally I think we > should just hide all the directories and subdirs as defined by FHS2.3. > We do that here > > http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/gnome-vfs/libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-hal-mounts.c?view=markup > > in function _hal_volume_policy_check() though I'm unsure whether this > code is used at the moment (will look into that). Well, the bug report: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341446 showed drives for things like / and /home. So something is going wrong here. I see a _hal_drive_policy_check that is empty though. Anyway, what i think we should do is: Have a policy for what mountpoints to create drives for. Be it by blacklisting or whitelisting. If the policy says the mountpoint shouldn't have a drive then we don't even create one. Set is_user_visible to false on drives that support auto-mounting, so we can hide them everywhere but in computer:///. I think blacklisting will probably work well enough, but you probably need to add more stuff than just the toplevel FHS mountpoints, for instance /dev/shmem and common non-linux mountpoints. Also, it looks like you create drives based on currently mounted volumes that are not in fstab? This will generate a bunch of drives when using things like autofs for separate /home/ mountpoints and cause things like /proc/bus/usb to get drives. Does it ever make sense to create a drive object for a volume like this? It'll only live as long as the volume and you can't really use it for anything. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a time-tossed coffee-fuelled inventor on his last day in the job. She's a warm-hearted mutant research scientist from a different time and place. They fight crime! From alexl@redhat.com Fri Jun 9 07:21:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A75453B0121 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:21:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18661-08 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:21:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 573C53B006A for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:21:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59BLiIX005951; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:21:44 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59BLiWa006890; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:21:44 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59BLh8I024410; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:21:44 -0400 From: Alexander Larsson To: Ken Ishii In-Reply-To: <20060604195153.83291.qmail@web61323.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060604195153.83291.qmail@web61323.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 13:21:43 +0200 Message-Id: <1149852104.3023.53.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.587 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.587 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: gnome_vfs_uri_hash() bug? X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 11:21:46 -0000 On Sun, 2006-06-04 at 12:51 -0700, Ken Ishii wrote: > gnome_vfs_uri_hash() has the following code section: > > for (uri_p = uri; uri_p != NULL; uri_p = uri_p->parent) { > HASH_STRING (hash_value, uri_p->text); > HASH_STRING (hash_value, uri_p->method_string); > > if (uri_p->parent != NULL) { > const GnomeVFSToplevelURI *toplevel; > > toplevel = (const GnomeVFSToplevelURI *) uri_p; > > Since GnomeVFSToplevelURI is defined to be an URI without a parent, > shouldn't > if (uri_p->parent != NULL) > be > if (uri_p->parent == NULL) > instead? Yeah. That looks wrong. I'm fixing it in cvs. Thanks. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's an old-fashioned white trash romance novelist She's a bloodthirsty Buddhist bodyguard prone to fits of savage, blood-crazed rage. They fight crime! From alexl@redhat.com Mon Jun 12 05:38:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 296D33B00A7 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28453-10 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A0A33B008D for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5C9bL45019802; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:37:21 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5C9bG0T011686; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:37:16 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5C9bF3C014485; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:37:15 -0400 From: Alexander Larsson To: Xavier Claessens In-Reply-To: <1149455967.15249.30.camel@zdra-desktop> References: <1149455967.15249.30.camel@zdra-desktop> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:37:15 +0200 Message-Id: <1150105036.3023.95.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.587 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.587 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: volume-unmounted signal on GnomeVFSDrive X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:38:16 -0000 On Sun, 2006-06-04 at 23:19 +0200, Xavier Claessens wrote: > Hello, > > As I understand the "volume-unmounted" signal is emitted before the > volume unmounted is really removed from the drive. So in the callback, > if we run gnome_vfs_drive_get_mounted_volumes() it will return a GList > still containing the unmounted GnomeVFSVolume. > > I think it should be very useful to have a callback after everything is > done. For example in nautilus'places sidebar when we get the > "volume-unmounted" callback we can't update the sidebar yet because the > drive still has the volume connected... so we add a g_idle_add() to have > a callback after everything is done and then we can update the sidebar. > > I think that's more a workaround than a real solution. What about adding > in GnomeVFSDrive and GnomeVFSVolumeMonitor a "volume-post-unmount" > callback (we already have a "volume-pre-unmount" cb) ? > > I you are OK with the idea I can make a patch. You could just look at gnome_vfs_volume_is_mounted() in the volume-unmounted call and ignore things that are not mounted. We do set is_mounted before emitting the signal for things like this. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a deeply religious umbrella-wielding astronaut looking for a cure to the poison coursing through his veins. She's a green-fingered snooty femme fatale who can talk to animals. They fight crime! From alexl@redhat.com Mon Jun 12 06:12:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 084B93B0078 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:12:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29802-04 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BF913B009D for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5C9TFho017434; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:29:15 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5C9TF93010182; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:29:15 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5C9TEb4013434; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:29:14 -0400 From: Alexander Larsson To: Christian Neumair In-Reply-To: <1149010547.5256.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1149010547.5256.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:29:14 +0200 Message-Id: <1150104554.3023.93.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.549 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.025, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_FD=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.549 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" , Ken Ishii Subject: Re: Proposed (unfinished) ZIP module available on Bugzilla X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:12:18 -0000 On Tue, 2006-05-30 at 19:35 +0200, Christian Neumair wrote: > Dear GnomeVFS development community, > > as requested by Ken Ishii who needs a ZIP module, I'm publishing a > prelimitary version of a GnomeVFS ZIP module in Bugzilla [1]. People who > are interested in development should check out the bug report and help > out :). > > [1] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343419 It seems this uncompresses the file on open and then reads from that. I think this is the right approach, but there are some tricks you could use to make this nicer. What you do is create the uncompressed temp files (in /tmp) and then unlink the file, keeping the file descriptor around. This means the file is not visible in the filesystem, but the data for it is kept around until the last fd referencing it is closed. You store this fd in a cache, and then use dup() to get a new independent file descriptor to the file in do_open(). When the app is closed the kernel will close all fds and deallocate the filesystem space. So, doing things this way means you'll never leak tempfiles. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a lounge-singing albino vampire hunter who knows the secret of the alien invasion. She's a virginal punk traffic cop with an MBA from Harvard. They fight crime! From mclasen@redhat.com Mon Jun 12 22:40:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BAD63B0009 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07590-05 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3251E3B000C for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5D2MFId000486 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:22:15 -0400 Received: from lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (lacrosse.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.154]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5D2MFG6018613 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:22:15 -0400 Received: from [172.16.83.145] (vpn83-145.boston.redhat.com [172.16.83.145]) by lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k5D2MEWJ003165 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:22:14 -0400 From: Matthias Clasen To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Red Hat Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:24:01 -0400 Message-Id: <1150165441.4081.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.2.1 (2.7.2.1-4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.541 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.060, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.541 X-Spam-Level: Subject: gnome-mime-data dependency X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 02:40:48 -0000 During some Fedora package work I noticed that gnome-vfs still pulls in gnome-mime-data, which seems to be old and unmaintained. Alex tells me that it is needed for some deprecated mime apis. I think it would be nice to get rid of that dependency in 2.16. Matthias From bosshrap@zhwin.ch Tue Jun 13 10:41:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D47B3B000C for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26639-07 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a.mx.projectdream.org (eth0-0.yuffie.projectdream.org [194.88.212.200]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2806B3B00A5 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.0.11] (d213-103-155-97.cust.tele2.ch [213.103.155.97]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by a.mx.projectdream.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD3548811A for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:40:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <448ECE64.9030800@zhwin.ch> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:40:36 +0200 From: Raphael Bosshard User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060612) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Subject: [PATCH] Display binary prefix filesizes instead of decimal prefix filesizes (344296) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000304070805010006040703" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 08:09:00 -0400 X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:41:32 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000304070805010006040703 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit See http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344296 This patch changes the human readable filesizes (gnome_vfs_format_file_size_for_display) which are curently displayed (rather missleading) with binary prefix multipliers (such as Kilo, Mega, Giga) to more appropriate binary prefix multipiers (Kibi, Mebi, Gibi). The IEC approved standard symbols (KiB, MiB, GiB) are used. For more information please read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix So long, Raphael --------------000304070805010006040703 Content-Type: text/x-patch; name="gnome-vfs-display-binary-prefix.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="gnome-vfs-display-binary-prefix.patch" --- gnome-vfs-2.14.2/libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-utils.c 2006-03-03 10:28:21.000000000 +0100 +++ gnome-vfs-2.14.2-work/libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-utils.c 2006-06-10 23:03:40.983116272 +0200 @@ -51,9 +51,9 @@ #include #include -#define KILOBYTE_FACTOR 1024.0 -#define MEGABYTE_FACTOR (1024.0 * 1024.0) -#define GIGABYTE_FACTOR (1024.0 * 1024.0 * 1024.0) +#define KIBIBYTE_FACTOR 1024.0 +#define MEBIBYTE_FACTOR (1024.0 * 1024.0) +#define GIBIBYTE_FACTORFACTOR (1024.0 * 1024.0 * 1024.0) #define READ_CHUNK_SIZE 8192 @@ -74,22 +74,22 @@ gchar* gnome_vfs_format_file_size_for_display (GnomeVFSFileSize size) { - if (size < (GnomeVFSFileSize) KILOBYTE_FACTOR) { + if (size < (GnomeVFSFileSize) KIBIBYTE_FACTOR) { return g_strdup_printf (dngettext(GETTEXT_PACKAGE, "%u byte", "%u bytes",(guint) size), (guint) size); } else { gdouble displayed_size; - if (size < (GnomeVFSFileSize) MEGABYTE_FACTOR) { - displayed_size = (gdouble) size / KILOBYTE_FACTOR; - return g_strdup_printf (_("%.1f KB"), + if (size < (GnomeVFSFileSize) MEBIBYTE_FACTOR) { + displayed_size = (gdouble) size / KIBIBYTE_FACTOR; + return g_strdup_printf (_("%.1f KiB"), displayed_size); - } else if (size < (GnomeVFSFileSize) GIGABYTE_FACTOR) { - displayed_size = (gdouble) size / MEGABYTE_FACTOR; - return g_strdup_printf (_("%.1f MB"), + } else if (size < (GnomeVFSFileSize) GIBIBYTE_FACTORFACTOR) { + displayed_size = (gdouble) size / MEBIBYTE_FACTOR; + return g_strdup_printf (_("%.1f MiB"), displayed_size); } else { - displayed_size = (gdouble) size / GIGABYTE_FACTOR; - return g_strdup_printf (_("%.1f GB"), + displayed_size = (gdouble) size / GIBIBYTE_FACTORFACTOR; + return g_strdup_printf (_("%.1f GiB"), displayed_size); } } --------------000304070805010006040703-- From alexl@redhat.com Sat Jun 17 04:58:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 361533B042A for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 04:58:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15153-02 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 04:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 676533B010F for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 04:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5H8vMS8009846; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 04:57:22 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5H8vMxp026394; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 04:57:22 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5H8vL4b023197; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 04:57:21 -0400 Subject: Re: [PATCH] Display binary prefix filesizes instead of decimal prefix filesizes (344296) From: Alexander Larsson To: Raphael Bosshard In-Reply-To: <448ECE64.9030800@zhwin.ch> References: <448ECE64.9030800@zhwin.ch> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 10:57:21 +0200 Message-Id: <1150534641.1962.19.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.588 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.013, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.588 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 08:58:04 -0000 On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 16:40 +0200, Raphael Bosshard wrote: > See http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344296 > > This patch changes the human readable filesizes > (gnome_vfs_format_file_size_for_display) which are curently displayed > (rather missleading) with binary prefix multipliers (such as Kilo, Mega, > Giga) to more appropriate binary prefix multipiers (Kibi, Mebi, Gibi). > The IEC approved standard symbols (KiB, MiB, GiB) are used. > > For more information please read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix This has already been denied in bugs like: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127175 Which references mails like: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-doc-list/2003-December/msg00004.html and the gnome docs style guides: http://developer.gnome.org/documents/style-guide/units.html For what its worth I very much agree with Patrick. The binary prefixes are silly and nobody but anal-retentive ultra-geeks will understand them, thus confusing the general userbase (who haven't seen them before). =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a sword-wielding pirate librarian searching for his wife's true killer. She's a time-travelling junkie Hell's Angel in the wrong place at the wrong time. They fight crime! From nf2@scheinwelt.at Sun Jun 18 18:55:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 462013B00AF; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 18:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12908-03; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 18:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx-01.sil.at (mx-01.sil.at [86.59.12.198]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 208EC3B00B2; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 18:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vie-062-116-122-020.dsl.sil.at ([62.116.122.20] helo=[192.168.5.82]) by mx-01.sil.at with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Fs69X-0004Oc-Kv; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 00:54:01 +0200 Message-ID: <4495D984.5090705@scheinwelt.at> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 00:53:56 +0200 From: nf2 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gtk-list@gnome.org, gnome vfs list Subject: libxdg-vfs and Gtk-Filechooser Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scan-Signature: 9d02a3267670e8bb77f537b38fda5a39 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.51 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.012, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_XD=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.51 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 22:55:34 -0000 Hi, The experimental "libxdg-vfs" provides a generic interface to VFS libraries. It tries to autodetect the current desktop and then connects to Gnome-VFS or KIO by launching the backend executables xdg_vfs_gnome or xdg_vfs_kde. http://www.scheinwelt.at/~norbertf/dadapt/files/xdg_utils/doc/libxdg-vfs.html The target of "libxdg-vfs" would be giving applications access to ftp/smb shares etc... Of course this also involves bringing VFS access to filechoosers. AFAIK Gtk-Filechooser has pluggable backends (GtkFilesystem). It would be interesting if it could also run on top of "libxdg-vfs". The problem is, that i couldn't find any documentation how to implement a GtkFilesystem module. Could you please give me an introduction and maybe tell me about the specific requirements for a GtkFilesystem? Perhaps i need to provide more functions through "libxdg-vfs": listing and mounting Volumes, obtaining icon-paths,... Regards, Norbert From chris@gnome-de.org Sun Jun 18 13:44:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 349513B00E5 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05823-10 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.bytecamp.net (mail.bytecamp.net [212.204.60.9]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E77BC3B0009 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:44:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 45357 invoked by uid 85); 18 Jun 2006 17:36:58 -0000 Received: from chris@gnome-de.org by mail.bytecamp.net by uid 88 with qmail-scanner-1.20 (clamscan: 0.88.1 Clear:RC:0(84.150.153.121):. Processed in 7.089351 secs); 18 Jun 2006 17:36:58 -0000 Received: from p54969979.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (HELO ?192.168.123.112?) (chris@gnome-de.org@84.150.153.121) by mail.bytecamp.net with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 18 Jun 2006 17:36:51 -0000 Subject: [PATCH] Improve docs, new attempt From: Christian Neumair To: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-4cYgbTZAmh2zlaadTQGz" Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 19:36:47 +0200 Message-Id: <1150652208.22660.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.586 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.013, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.586 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:27:21 -0400 X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 17:44:45 -0000 --=-4cYgbTZAmh2zlaadTQGz Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've spent some more hours on GnomeVFS docs and the Xfer docs should be in a way better shape now. 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gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E7D03B03FC for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05344-05 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D01C83B03EE for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:38:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [82.165.27.189] (helo=hora-obscura.de) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwh2-1FsSHG2Dgc-0000IG; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:31:26 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.hora-obscura.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48519878042; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:31:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.hora-obscura.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 768D4878023; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:31:19 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: [PATCH] Improve docs, new attempt From: Stefan Kost To: Christian Neumair In-Reply-To: <1150652208.22660.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1150652208.22660.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:30:37 +0300 Message-Id: <1150756237.15396.6.camel@fluffy.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at hora-obscura.de X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:8eea7ddcf9c0cceb26830fe517b7ade3 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.496 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.026, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_GT=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.496 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 22:38:50 -0000 Hi Christian, Am Sonntag, den 18.06.2006, 19:36 +0200 schrieb Christian Neumair: > I've spent some more hours on GnomeVFS docs and the Xfer docs should be > in a way better shape now. I got commit permission for the last one > already, but this one is significantly larger (240 kB, but including the > tmpl/ regeneration garbage). I strongly recommend to move all docs to the source files and remove the tmpl files from cvs totaly. If developers use different versions of gtk-doc, commiting partialy generated files such as the files under tmpl/ can often cause conflicts like those we know with po/*.po files. Besides developers will more likely update docs when they are close to the sources. In case you are not aware, even the section docs can be added to the sources (see the gtk-doc manual in yelp). Stefan From chipzz@ULYSSIS.Org Mon Jun 19 21:43:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 471F03B015D for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:43:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15440-03 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.240.42]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4EC63B00D9 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43E5F1D75E5 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:42:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp03.kuleuven.be (antonius.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.240.73]) by rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E13C1D75DF for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:42:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.be (ray.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.be [193.190.253.198]) by smtp03.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47261332762 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:42:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 30541 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2006 01:42:20 -0000 Received: from ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.be (HELO ace.ulyssis.org) (193.190.253.208) by smtp.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.be with SMTP; 20 Jun 2006 01:42:20 -0000 Received: by ace.ulyssis.org (Postfix, from userid 1275) id 050F92EFE4; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:42:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ace.ulyssis.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E85052EFE3; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:42:19 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:42:19 +0200 (CEST) From: Chipzz To: Christian Neumair Subject: Re: [PATCH] Improve docs, new attempt In-Reply-To: <1150652208.22660.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: References: <1150652208.22660.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by KULeuven Antivirus Cluster X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.419 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.045, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.419 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: Chipzz@ULYSSIS.Org List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:43:10 -0000 I only read about half of your patch, and not even all of it carefully, but here are a couple of suggestions: + * Either way, it acts like #GnomeVFSXferProgressCallback + * would act in non-asynchronous mode. The differences in + * invocation are explained in the gnome_vfs_async_xfer() + * documentation documentation. -> 2x documentation. + * @GNOME_VFS_FILE_TYPE_REGULAR: The file is regular (stat: %S_ISDIR). + * @GNOME_VFS_FILE_TYPE_DIRECTORY: The file is a directory (stat: %S_ISREG). -> "The file is a regular file" -> %S_ISDIR and %S_ISREG are swapped. + * @GNOME_VFS_PERM_USER_READ: Owner has read permission. etc... -> permission*s* ? + * @GNOME_VFS_PERM_OTHER_ALL: Others have all permissionss. -> permission*ss* ! + * @block_count: The size of the file in 512-byte blocks (a #GnomeVFSFileSize), -> I may be totally wrong here, but isn't this filesystem dependant? kr, On Sun, 18 Jun 2006, Christian Neumair wrote: > I've spent some more hours on GnomeVFS docs and the Xfer docs should be > in a way better shape now. I got commit permission for the last one > already, but this one is significantly larger (240 kB, but including the > tmpl/ regeneration garbage). Chipzz AKA Jan Van Buggenhout -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ UNIX isn't dead - It just smells funny Chipzz@ULYSSIS.Org ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Baldric, you wouldn't recognize a subtle plan if it painted itself pur- ple and danced naked on a harpsicord singing 'subtle plans are here a- gain'." From bosshrap@zhwin.ch Tue Jun 20 09:25:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A5FA3B01A8 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:25:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17592-03 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a.mx.projectdream.org (eth0-0.yuffie.projectdream.org [194.88.212.200]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 765663B017D for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dskt6433.zhwin.ch (dskt6433.zhwin.ch [160.85.162.206]) by a.mx.projectdream.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 048688803B; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:24:23 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: [PATCH] Display binary prefix filesizes instead of decimal prefix filesizes (344296) From: Raphael Bosshard To: Alexander Larsson In-Reply-To: <1150534641.1962.19.camel@greebo> References: <448ECE64.9030800@zhwin.ch> <1150534641.1962.19.camel@greebo> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:24:20 +0200 Message-Id: <1150809860.15905.28.camel@numenor> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.11 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11] X-Spam-Score: -1.11 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:25:20 -0000 Hello there! > For what its worth I very much agree with Patrick. The binary prefixes > are silly and nobody but anal-retentive ultra-geeks will understand > them, thus confusing the general userbase (who haven't seen them > before). Well, that's strange. I never considered myself a "anal-retentive ultra-geek". And I certainly never thought that my sister would fit into the category of "anal-retentive ultra-geeks". And yet she was the one who brought up the topic when we upgraded her computer with a new hard disk last week. The disk was labeled "250 Gigabyte". Yet when we installed it,"only" 238 Gigabytes were available. I explained her that the disk manufacturer interpreted the term "Giga" in a other way then the software manufacturer. Being an "anal-retentive ultra-geek", she was bothered by this. My sister is by no means a technical person. But to her european decimalised mind "Kilo" means "a thousand" and not "a thousand and twenty four", just in the way that "Mega" means "a million" and not "one million four hundred forty nine thousand six hundred sixteen". It doesn't bother me, mind you. I know that in IT "Giga" doesn't mean "Giga". But I always thought that only "anal-retentive ultra-geeks" know that and I recently noticed it confuses the the general userbase (who haven't heard of that before). The strange thing is that almost everyone seems to agree (even Patrick) that binary prefixes are a good Idea. However; everyone seems to wait with the adaption of binary prefixes until everyone around has adapted them. Funny thing. I see no need to bother the documentation team; there is to much resistance against binary prefixes. So long, Raphael From alexl@redhat.com Tue Jun 20 09:50:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6D663B01A8 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18291-09 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3030F3B020B for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5KDo05r027617; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:50:00 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5KDo0Fm009656; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:50:00 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5KDnxEP016163; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:49:59 -0400 Subject: Re: [PATCH] Display binary prefix filesizes instead of decimal prefix filesizes (344296) From: Alexander Larsson To: Raphael Bosshard In-Reply-To: <1150809860.15905.28.camel@numenor> References: <448ECE64.9030800@zhwin.ch> <1150534641.1962.19.camel@greebo> <1150809860.15905.28.camel@numenor> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:49:59 +0200 Message-Id: <1150811399.16397.51.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.588 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.013, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.588 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:50:55 -0000 On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 15:24 +0200, Raphael Bosshard wrote: > > For what its worth I very much agree with Patrick. The binary prefixes > > are silly and nobody but anal-retentive ultra-geeks will understand > > them, thus confusing the general userbase (who haven't seen them > > before). > > Well, that's strange. I never considered myself a "anal-retentive > ultra-geek". And I certainly never thought that my sister would fit into > the category of "anal-retentive ultra-geeks". And yet she was the one > who brought up the topic when we upgraded her computer with a new hard > disk last week. The disk was labeled "250 Gigabyte". Yet when we > installed it,"only" 238 Gigabytes were available. I explained her that > the disk manufacturer interpreted the term "Giga" in a other way then > the software manufacturer. Being an "anal-retentive ultra-geek", she was > bothered by this. > > My sister is by no means a technical person. But to her european > decimalised mind "Kilo" means "a thousand" and not "a thousand and > twenty four", just in the way that "Mega" means "a million" and not "one > million four hundred forty nine thousand six hundred sixteen". I'm well aware of the problems with 1000/1024 multipliers. However, consider your sisters case if we used 238 gibibyte instead of 238 gigabyte. 1) We'd still show 238 instead of 250 which is listed which would cause your sister to wonder where the space went. 2) There would be a strange acronym in the UI that she had never seen before and didn't match what is commonly in use in ads, docs, hardware specifications etc. Its unfortunately true that terms like gigabyte and megabyte are very widespread and in active use by people who don't really know exactly what they mean. Changing this use is slow and hard. > It doesn't bother me, mind you. I know that in IT "Giga" doesn't mean > "Giga". But I always thought that only "anal-retentive ultra-geeks" know > that and I recently noticed it confuses the the general userbase (who > haven't heard of that before). > > The strange thing is that almost everyone seems to agree (even Patrick) > that binary prefixes are a good Idea. However; everyone seems to wait > with the adaption of binary prefixes until everyone around has adapted > them. Funny thing. This is almost always the case with such large (in terms of number of places/organizations it has to be changed) changes. I think its partly because the net gain of doing the change isn't really that large. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a one-legged soccer-playing rock star who hangs with the wrong crowd. She's a plucky goth nun from Mars. They fight crime! From lifewarped@yahoo.com Wed Jun 21 15:50:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F91D3B0266 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01152-09 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp109.plus.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp109.plus.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.53.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 424163B015F for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 56956 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2006 19:50:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.85?) (lifewarped@64.252.203.251 with plain) by smtp109.plus.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2006 19:50:29 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Message-Id: <647A0248-B8FA-4F26-8652-17718BEDAF37@yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-813535700 From: "Glenn R. Martin" Subject: IP6 and MacOS X Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:50:27 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.417 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.880, BAYES_40=-0.185, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.417 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 19:50:32 -0000 --Apple-Mail-1-813535700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Apple's Mac OS X predefines a macro named SIN6_LEN... However this macro appears to be nothing. I was wondering if i wouldnt be too much trouble to add the following to your gnome-vfs-address.c file so i would not have to add it next time? (im using todays CVS) Line 55, libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-address.c : #ifdef SIN6_LEN && __APPLE__ # undef SIN6_LEN #endif # define SIN6_LEN sizeof (struct sockaddr_in6) Thanks --- Glenn R. Martin lifewarped@yahoo.com http://www.xargos.com http://www.myspace.com/grmartin C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg. -- Bjarne Stroustrup --Apple-Mail-1-813535700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Apple's Mac OS X predefines a = macro named SIN6_LEN... However this macro appears to be nothing. I was = wondering if i wouldnt be too much trouble to add the following to your = gnome-vfs-address.c file so i would not have to add it next = time?

(im using = todays CVS)

Line = 55,=A0libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-address.c :

#ifdef SIN6_LEN = &&=A0__APPLE__
# undef = SIN6_LEN
#endif

# define SIN6_LEN=A0= =A0=A0 sizeof (struct sockaddr_in6)

Thanks

---
Glenn R. = Martin
C makes it easy to shoot yourself in = the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole = leg. -- Bjarne Stroustrup

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= --Apple-Mail-1-813535700-- From lifewarped@yahoo.com Wed Jun 21 15:58:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF823B0192 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02062-01 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:58:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp104.plus.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp104.plus.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.53.29]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AF9573B035A for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:58:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 63776 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2006 19:57:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.85?) (lifewarped@64.252.203.251 with plain) by smtp104.plus.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2006 19:57:59 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Message-Id: <2766644B-5FDA-44BF-BFA9-F0C4295F117E@yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-813985806 From: "Glenn R. Martin" Subject: login_tty on Mac OS X Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:57:57 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.823 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.361, BAYES_05=-1.11, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.823 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 19:58:02 -0000 --Apple-Mail-2-813985806 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed MacOS X has the login_tty() definition in its header which does not seem to be included by your libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-pty.{c,h} file. Mind doing so, if i run in to anything else, ill hold it back for a complete email. again my copy is from the CVS. --- Glenn R. Martin lifewarped@yahoo.com http://www.xargos.com http://www.myspace.com/grmartin C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg. -- Bjarne Stroustrup --Apple-Mail-2-813985806 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 MacOS X has the login_tty() = definition in its <util.h> header which does not seem to be = included by your=A0libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-pty.{c,h} file. Mind doing so, = if i run in to anything else, ill hold it back for a complete = email.

again my copy is from the = CVS.

---
Glenn R. = Martin
C makes it easy to shoot yourself in = the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole = leg. -- Bjarne Stroustrup

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= --Apple-Mail-2-813985806-- From chris@gnome-de.org Thu Jun 22 08:11:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99F493B0691 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:11:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23409-09 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.bytecamp.net (mail.bytecamp.net [212.204.60.9]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C20CC3B05EE for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:11:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 40576 invoked by uid 85); 22 Jun 2006 12:11:51 -0000 Received: from chris@gnome-de.org by mail.bytecamp.net by uid 88 with qmail-scanner-1.20 (clamscan: 0.88.1 Clear:RC:0(84.150.143.65):. 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(chris@gnome-de.org@84.150.143.65) by mail.bytecamp.net with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 22 Jun 2006 12:11:51 -0000 Subject: Re: [PATCH] Improve docs, new attempt From: Christian Neumair To: Chipzz@ULYSSIS.Org In-Reply-To: References: <1150652208.22660.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:11:45 +0200 Message-Id: <1150978306.5236.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.586 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.013, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.586 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:11:59 -0000 Am Dienstag, den 20.06.2006, 03:42 +0200 schrieb Chipzz: > I only read about half of your patch, and not even all of it carefully, but > here are a couple of suggestions: > (...) > -> "The file is a regular file" > -> %S_ISDIR and %S_ISREG are swapped. > > + * @GNOME_VFS_PERM_USER_READ: Owner has read permission. > etc... > > -> permission*s* ? Permission*s* for ALL but permission (without a trailing s) for the rest, i.e. READ, WRITE, EXECUTE. > (...) Thanks for your worthy suggestions, I've included almost all of them. Alex just looked through the patch as well and allowed me to commit it :). -- Christian Neumair From alexl@redhat.com Thu Jun 1 04:19:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 680983B0C81 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 04:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16118-02 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 04:19:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2B843B0C95 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 04:19:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k518JCYk032595; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 04:19:12 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k518JCBf005878; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 04:19:12 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k518J9Kt016649; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 04:19:10 -0400 From: Alexander Larsson To: David Zeuthen In-Reply-To: <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> References: <1148314063.5168.4.camel@localhost> <1148387730.19301.22.camel@greebo> <1148406054.5009.24.camel@localhost> <1148456225.19301.38.camel@greebo> <1148486395.4735.26.camel@greebo> <1148499503.5171.7.camel@localhost> <1148904283.16920.11.camel@greebo> <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:19:10 +0200 Message-Id: <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.587 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.587 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: [PATCH] computer:/// should display all drives, not only user-visible ones X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 08:19:18 -0000 On Wed, 2006-05-31 at 18:36 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: > Hi, > > Any reason this is not on the list? Also, please use my david@fubar.dk > email address since that's what I'm using for GNOME stuff. I dunno, it got removed at some point. I'm adding it back. > On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 14:04 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-05-24 at 21:38 +0200, Xavier Claessens wrote: > > > Le mercredi 24 mai 2006 à 17:59 +0200, Alexander Larsson a écrit : > > > > Here is the thing. I don't expect there to be a GnomeVFSDrive for > > > > the /home volume (which i assume is a normal mountpoint on another > > > > partition). We should only have drive objects for real removable media > > > > mountpoints. > > > > > > I join a simple program I made which lists all your drives and volumes > > > and says if they are user visible. It's what helped me understand how > > > GnomeVFS works :-) > > > > This seems to be a bug in the hal version of the monitoring. We're not > > supposed to be creating drive objects for all harddrives in the system. > > A Drive is supposed to be something you can insert a removable volume > > in, like a cdrom reader, a floppy reader, or a usb card reader. On my > > system hal creates a drive for e.g. /mnt/hdb1 which is a normal ext3 > > filesystem mounted at roottime and not user-mountable. This shouldn't > > only exist in the volume monitor as a non-user_visible volume, not as a > > drive. This used to be papered over in computer:// since the volumes for > > the drives were always mounted and not user-visible, so they got > > hidden. > > > > David, I don't really know the hal stuff. Could you look into this? > > So I'm not really sure why we want this difference you are describing. > In fact I'd argue that we indeed want to show volumes from e.g. the > internal hard disk for e.g. your Windows and OS X partitions. > > And this indeed requires a GnomeVFSDrive because the partition may not > be mounted and we only have a GnomeVFSVolume for a GnomeVFSDrive when > the partition the GnomeVFSDrive represents is actually mounted (that's > my understanding of the how Gnome VFS works). The initial design for drives was to represent devices that use removable media (such as cdrom drives, floppy drives, usb card readers, etc). For these devices the operations on the device are "natural" to the user. Its true that one can also view them as just "possible mountpoints for volumes", which means you could have a drive for your OSX or windows partition. However, when you expose this in the UI you suddenly turn a very explicit obvious hardware mapping into a way to expose the much more vague and complicated unix operation of "mounting a filesystem". I.E. you remove the mapping from icons in the UI to hardware units you can put stuff into. If you take the view of a non-unix person (i.e. one unaware of the details of mountpoints etc) using a Gnome desktop with a separate HD you have basically three cases. Either the partition is mounted, the user is allowed to mount the partition, or the user isn't allowed to mount the partition. In the first case we clearly should show a volume icon, and in the last case i argue that we should never show a drive icon (it would do nothing but confuse people). The question is what to in the second case. In an ideal desktop system I don't think that state really is very useful. What non-sysadmin-related use would you have for not mounting that volume if you are allowed to mount it anyway? In the case on a non-ideal unix system the question gets complicated and turns into a question about whether the mountpoint is an "internal implementation detail" of the filesystem mount tree or not, and this becomes very similar to the question whether to expand symlinks or not (don't expand /home to /mnt/hdb/home, but expand ~/Desktop/music to ~/Documents/MyMusic). Some cases are simple, you never want to display /, /proc, /sys, /dev/pts, /boot, etc. However, for others things are not so easy. I have for instance /mnt/hdb1 on my system where i have symlinks like /opt -> /mnt/hdb1/opt. I wouldn't want to display this. Whether to show such drives or not is clearly a complicated, system-dependent issue and should be solved in the lower layers, and not solved in each app using gnome-vfs. The change that resulted in this being an acute problem was that we decided to hide drives that support auto-mount in all places but computer:// by using the is_user_visible flag of the drive. Doing this means that flag is used for that and can't also be used to flag whether a drive is "internal" or not. I think just not having drive objects for internal mountpoints is the easiest solution to this. > So I think what you want is to hide is exactly volumes that are mounted > on traditional FHS mount points, e.g. /, /usr. I can't see why we should > enforce this policy in Gnome VFS when the bits above (e.g. Nautilus, > Filechooser) can handle this much better? I don't understand how you think nautilus can handle this better? =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a gun-slinging voodoo master criminal whom everyone believes is mad. She's a strong-willed impetuous detective descended from a line of powerful witches. They fight crime! From xclaesse@gmail.com Sun Jun 4 17:08:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 948253B01AC for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10855-08 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:08:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outmx018.isp.belgacom.be (outmx018.isp.belgacom.be [195.238.4.117]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7837F3B016C for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outmx018.isp.belgacom.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outmx018.isp.belgacom.be (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Skynet-OUT-2.22) with ESMTP id k54L8WOP014717 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 23:08:32 +0200 (envelope-from ) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (85-212.242.81.adsl.skynet.be [81.242.212.85]) by outmx018.isp.belgacom.be (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Skynet-OUT-2.22) with ESMTP id k54L8V56014703; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 23:08:31 +0200 (envelope-from ) From: Xavier Claessens To: Alexander Larsson In-Reply-To: <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> References: <1148314063.5168.4.camel@localhost> <1148387730.19301.22.camel@greebo> <1148406054.5009.24.camel@localhost> <1148456225.19301.38.camel@greebo> <1148486395.4735.26.camel@greebo> <1148499503.5171.7.camel@localhost> <1148904283.16920.11.camel@greebo> <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-OBWowAwOL3MMyW2FiPT8" Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 23:08:31 +0200 Message-Id: <1149455311.15249.18.camel@zdra-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.005 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.475, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_NEUTRAL=1.069] X-Spam-Score: -2.005 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" , David Zeuthen Subject: Re: [PATCH] computer:/// should display all drives, not only user-visible ones X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 21:08:44 -0000 --=-OBWowAwOL3MMyW2FiPT8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Le jeudi 01 juin 2006 =C3=A0 10:19 +0200, Alexander Larsson a =C3=A9crit : > On Wed, 2006-05-31 at 18:36 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: > > Hi, > >=20 > > Any reason this is not on the list? Also, please use my david@fubar.dk > > email address since that's what I'm using for GNOME stuff. >=20 > I dunno, it got removed at some point. I'm adding it back. >=20 > > On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 14:04 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > > On Wed, 2006-05-24 at 21:38 +0200, Xavier Claessens wrote: > > > > Le mercredi 24 mai 2006 =C3=A0 17:59 +0200, Alexander Larsson a =C3= =A9crit : > > > > > Here is the thing. I don't expect there to be a GnomeVFSDrive for > > > > > the /home volume (which i assume is a normal mountpoint on anothe= r > > > > > partition). We should only have drive objects for real removable = media > > > > > mountpoints. > > > >=20 > > > > I join a simple program I made which lists all your drives and volu= mes > > > > and says if they are user visible. It's what helped me understand h= ow > > > > GnomeVFS works :-) > > >=20 > > > This seems to be a bug in the hal version of the monitoring. We're no= t > > > supposed to be creating drive objects for all harddrives in the syste= m. > > > A Drive is supposed to be something you can insert a removable volume > > > in, like a cdrom reader, a floppy reader, or a usb card reader. On my > > > system hal creates a drive for e.g. /mnt/hdb1 which is a normal ext3 > > > filesystem mounted at roottime and not user-mountable. This shouldn't > > > only exist in the volume monitor as a non-user_visible volume, not as= a > > > drive. This used to be papered over in computer:// since the volumes = for > > > the drives were always mounted and not user-visible, so they got > > > hidden.=20 > > >=20 > > > David, I don't really know the hal stuff. Could you look into this? > >=20 > > So I'm not really sure why we want this difference you are describing. > > In fact I'd argue that we indeed want to show volumes from e.g. the > > internal hard disk for e.g. your Windows and OS X partitions.=20 > >=20 > > And this indeed requires a GnomeVFSDrive because the partition may not > > be mounted and we only have a GnomeVFSVolume for a GnomeVFSDrive when > > the partition the GnomeVFSDrive represents is actually mounted (that's > > my understanding of the how Gnome VFS works). >=20 > The initial design for drives was to represent devices that use > removable media (such as cdrom drives, floppy drives, usb card readers, > etc). For these devices the operations on the device are "natural" to > the user. Its true that one can also view them as just "possible > mountpoints for volumes", which means you could have a drive for your > OSX or windows partition. However, when you expose this in the UI you > suddenly turn a very explicit obvious hardware mapping into a way to > expose the much more vague and complicated unix operation of "mounting a > filesystem". I.E. you remove the mapping from icons in the UI to > hardware units you can put stuff into. >=20 > If you take the view of a non-unix person (i.e. one unaware of the > details of mountpoints etc) using a Gnome desktop with a separate HD > you have basically three cases. Either the partition is mounted, the > user is allowed to mount the partition, or the user isn't allowed to > mount the partition. In the first case we clearly should show a volume > icon, and in the last case i argue that we should never show a drive > icon (it would do nothing but confuse people).=20 >=20 > The question is what to in the second case. In an ideal desktop system I > don't think that state really is very useful. What non-sysadmin-related > use would you have for not mounting that volume if you are allowed to > mount it anyway? In the case on a non-ideal unix system the question > gets complicated and turns into a question about whether the mountpoint > is an "internal implementation detail" of the filesystem mount tree or > not, and this becomes very similar to the question whether to expand > symlinks or not (don't expand /home to /mnt/hdb/home, but expand > ~/Desktop/music to ~/Documents/MyMusic). Some cases are simple, you > never want to display /, /proc, /sys, /dev/pts, /boot, etc. However, for > others things are not so easy. I have for instance /mnt/hdb1 on my > system where i have symlinks like /opt -> /mnt/hdb1/opt. I wouldn't want > to display this. >=20 > Whether to show such drives or not is clearly a complicated, > system-dependent issue and should be solved in the lower layers, and not > solved in each app using gnome-vfs. >=20 > The change that resulted in this being an acute problem was that we > decided to hide drives that support auto-mount in all places but > computer:// by using the is_user_visible flag of the drive. Doing this > means that flag is used for that and can't also be used to flag whether > a drive is "internal" or not. I think just not having drive objects for > internal mountpoints is the easiest solution to this. >=20 > > So I think what you want is to hide is exactly volumes that are mounted > > on traditional FHS mount points, e.g. /, /usr. I can't see why we shoul= d > > enforce this policy in Gnome VFS when the bits above (e.g. Nautilus, > > Filechooser) can handle this much better? >=20 > I don't understand how you think nautilus can handle this better?=20 >=20 I think we can't do everything with only an user_visible flag. There is 2 different concepts: first the user_visible itself which should be used to hide partition's drives and other useless drives, second the auto-mountable property. I suggest to make something like: gboolean gnome_vfs_drive_is_auto_mountable (GnomeVFSDrive*); Like that we display all user_visible drives in computer:/// (including unmounted cdroms) but we only show user_visible && !auto_moutable drive in nautilus's place sidebar. I don't know how will GtkFileChooser work with that, because it should so see the auto_mount flag and hide automountable drives... Currently it seems that it follows the user_visible flag, at least when using gnomeVFS backend. I you are OK with this idea I can make patches for GnomeVFS/Nautilus 2.15.x For the other problem, which is computer:/// doesn't handle multi-volume drives, what about just updating the drive's icon when the first volume comes (like now in most cases) and if we get more volumes we add files like I did in my first patch. What do you think about that ? Xavier Claessens. --=-OBWowAwOL3MMyW2FiPT8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Ceci est une partie de message =?ISO-8859-1?Q?num=E9riquement?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_sign=E9e?= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEg0vO6dEBUn2qPAMRAvTuAJ9ntPlAFivY6fFkxmdvJcY47+BPFgCfU8uo 02AtDX37Xa3rjeu3Tck07hg= =Mgs1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-OBWowAwOL3MMyW2FiPT8-- From xclaesse@gmail.com Sun Jun 4 17:19:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 373613B0311 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11487-02 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outmx006.isp.belgacom.be (outmx006.isp.belgacom.be [195.238.4.99]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A36623B01B7 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outmx006.isp.belgacom.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outmx006.isp.belgacom.be (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Skynet-OUT-2.22) with ESMTP id k54LJTW9004701 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 23:19:30 +0200 (envelope-from ) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (85-212.242.81.adsl.skynet.be [81.242.212.85]) by outmx006.isp.belgacom.be (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Skynet-OUT-2.22) with ESMTP id k54LJQOB004670 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 23:19:27 +0200 (envelope-from ) From: Xavier Claessens To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-H/k/fxPKXIxMmyFvNdyr" Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 23:19:26 +0200 Message-Id: <1149455967.15249.30.camel@zdra-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.003 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.473, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_NEUTRAL=1.069] X-Spam-Score: -2.003 X-Spam-Level: Subject: volume-unmounted signal on GnomeVFSDrive X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 21:19:35 -0000 --=-H/k/fxPKXIxMmyFvNdyr Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, As I understand the "volume-unmounted" signal is emitted before the volume unmounted is really removed from the drive. So in the callback, if we run gnome_vfs_drive_get_mounted_volumes() it will return a GList still containing the unmounted GnomeVFSVolume. I think it should be very useful to have a callback after everything is done. For example in nautilus'places sidebar when we get the "volume-unmounted" callback we can't update the sidebar yet because the drive still has the volume connected... so we add a g_idle_add() to have a callback after everything is done and then we can update the sidebar. I think that's more a workaround than a real solution. What about adding in GnomeVFSDrive and GnomeVFSVolumeMonitor a "volume-post-unmount" callback (we already have a "volume-pre-unmount" cb) ? I you are OK with the idea I can make a patch. Xavier Claessens. --=-H/k/fxPKXIxMmyFvNdyr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Ceci est une partie de message =?ISO-8859-1?Q?num=E9riquement?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_sign=E9e?= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEg05e6dEBUn2qPAMRArR9AKCAmWMgqHE/lg5Ub8z2UhNQafssNgCffgDr h5y25qZ9aTpyf3qPuFAFv0w= =yGzq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-H/k/fxPKXIxMmyFvNdyr-- From keni4i@yahoo.com Sun Jun 4 15:51:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BB533B017A for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 15:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07508-01 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 15:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web61323.mail.yahoo.com (web61323.mail.yahoo.com [209.73.179.77]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 530A33B0101 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 15:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 83293 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jun 2006 19:51:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=prZjog0TXPnF+wlE8LBjO9ySalKcONTauN625ePWqsxA6/eYIQZOrZWunGBSRW20iSnr/iiWsHPBFthOeIqLOsLexDW7T3aTYgwjucP/yQ1qjDWlisdhLiDAzsEwmX8lzYFi+yno63B1RiIoGz7A13QEW8nvwxcZyJ8QEYBNRec= ; Message-ID: <20060604195153.83291.qmail@web61323.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.100.226.12] by web61323.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 12:51:53 PDT Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 12:51:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Ken Ishii To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.119 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.767, BAYES_50=0.001, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447] X-Spam-Score: -0.119 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 18:29:01 -0400 Subject: gnome_vfs_uri_hash() bug? X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 19:51:57 -0000 gnome_vfs_uri_hash() has the following code section: for (uri_p = uri; uri_p != NULL; uri_p = uri_p->parent) { HASH_STRING (hash_value, uri_p->text); HASH_STRING (hash_value, uri_p->method_string); if (uri_p->parent != NULL) { const GnomeVFSToplevelURI *toplevel; toplevel = (const GnomeVFSToplevelURI *) uri_p; Since GnomeVFSToplevelURI is defined to be an URI without a parent, shouldn't if (uri_p->parent != NULL) be if (uri_p->parent == NULL) instead? Ken Ishii __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From david@fubar.dk Mon Jun 5 17:57:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E8BB3B0625 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 17:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02934-09 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 17:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from davidz.fubar.dk (unknown [208.184.5.49]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 264F33B03A0 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 17:57:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.115] (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by davidz.fubar.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id C71269CE06B; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 17:56:59 -0400 (EDT) From: David Zeuthen To: Alexander Larsson In-Reply-To: <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> References: <1148314063.5168.4.camel@localhost> <1148387730.19301.22.camel@greebo> <1148406054.5009.24.camel@localhost> <1148456225.19301.38.camel@greebo> <1148486395.4735.26.camel@greebo> <1148499503.5171.7.camel@localhost> <1148904283.16920.11.camel@greebo> <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 17:58:06 -0400 Message-Id: <1149544687.5951.56.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.2.1 (2.7.2.1-4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.567 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.032, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.567 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: [PATCH] computer:/// should display all drives, not only user-visible ones X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:57:05 -0000 Hi, Sorry for the late reply, On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 10:19 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > So I'm not really sure why we want this difference you are describing. > > In fact I'd argue that we indeed want to show volumes from e.g. the > > internal hard disk for e.g. your Windows and OS X partitions. > > > > And this indeed requires a GnomeVFSDrive because the partition may not > > be mounted and we only have a GnomeVFSVolume for a GnomeVFSDrive when > > the partition the GnomeVFSDrive represents is actually mounted (that's > > my understanding of the how Gnome VFS works). > > The initial design for drives was to represent devices that use > removable media (such as cdrom drives, floppy drives, usb card readers, > etc). For these devices the operations on the device are "natural" to > the user. Its true that one can also view them as just "possible > mountpoints for volumes", which means you could have a drive for your > OSX or windows partition. However, when you expose this in the UI you > suddenly turn a very explicit obvious hardware mapping into a way to > expose the much more vague and complicated unix operation of "mounting a > filesystem". I.E. you remove the mapping from icons in the UI to > hardware units you can put stuff into. As a user I'm not really sure there is a huge difference between "Macintosh HD" and "1GB Compact Flash media". Both contains files I'm interested in using, I don't care where they come from. > If you take the view of a non-unix person (i.e. one unaware of the > details of mountpoints etc) using a Gnome desktop with a separate HD > you have basically three cases. Either the partition is mounted, the > user is allowed to mount the partition, or the user isn't allowed to > mount the partition. In the first case we clearly should show a volume > icon, and in the last case i argue that we should never show a drive > icon (it would do nothing but confuse people). > > The question is what to in the second case. In an ideal desktop system I > don't think that state really is very useful. What non-sysadmin-related > use would you have for not mounting that volume if you are allowed to > mount it anyway? In the case on a non-ideal unix system the question > gets complicated and turns into a question about whether the mountpoint > is an "internal implementation detail" of the filesystem mount tree or > not, and this becomes very similar to the question whether to expand > symlinks or not (don't expand /home to /mnt/hdb/home, but expand > ~/Desktop/music to ~/Documents/MyMusic). Some cases are simple, you > never want to display /, /proc, /sys, /dev/pts, /boot, etc. However, for > others things are not so easy. I have for instance /mnt/hdb1 on my > system where i have symlinks like /opt -> /mnt/hdb1/opt. I wouldn't want > to display this. > > Whether to show such drives or not is clearly a complicated, > system-dependent issue and should be solved in the lower layers, and not > solved in each app using gnome-vfs. > > The change that resulted in this being an acute problem was that we > decided to hide drives that support auto-mount in all places but > computer:// by using the is_user_visible flag of the drive. Doing this > means that flag is used for that and can't also be used to flag whether > a drive is "internal" or not. I think just not having drive objects for > internal mountpoints is the easiest solution to this. Well, the reality is that lots of people dual or triple boot and they have files they care about on the Macintosh and Windows hard drives. And I don't think it's uncommon at all to attach removable drives formatted with e.g. HFS+ or NTFS. If security (we can't let the user automatically get full read access to e.g. an hfs+ fs on the Mac harddisk) and availability of file system driver code (NTFS write support is still not widely available) wasn't a concern this would be easy; we'd simply automount these with uid=500 and be done with it. We want this such that the user can access his files in e.g. /Users/davidz which has a different uid on the Mac OS X system (such as uid=1000). However, things are a lot more complicated. For example, if you have full write access (like when you mount with uid=500) to the root partition of another operating system as an unprivileged user (with uid=500) you can essentially change the password database on that fs and, bingo, what was previously a secure system before you put Linux (or whatever on it) now has issues. There's also things like EAL [1] that is important, e.g. we should be able to totally lock down the system such that you can't use it for anything, not even access your removable media. Surely, in this situation, we want to still show to the user that he got a card reader plugged in but that the organizational policy of his employer (or whatever) prevents him from using it. Perhaps, in the name of usability, we might give him a button titled "Request permission to use device" (would file a request to the IT department) when he clicks it or, if it's an administrator, he can put in his password or authenticate in other ways. This is where usability and security meets, fighting each other like cats and dogs. Can you see the dilemma? Like it or not, this is from the real world [2] and bills like Sarbanes-Oxley etc. don't make this *any* easier. This is why I started PolicyKit. PolicyKit and gnome-mount will help solve this problem though not in a very elegant way [3] but it will provide a "one-time-click" "solution" to the problem. Some might say the user looses here (just look at the recent Microsoft Vista reviews where the user is bombarded with dialogs) but we're still left with the dilemma mentioned above. And we do want (I believe) GNOME to be a viable contender on the desktop and that means we need to support lock-down and things like EAL and Sarbanes-Oxley. Just as we want it to work for home users who just wants to access that movie on the NTFS or hfs+ partition from his home directory on "that other operating system". The approach taken by PolicyKit and gnome-mount is best compromise I've come up with so far. I'm not convinced it's perfect though, and I haven't had time to complete it yet though things are slowly moving forward. So what am I trying to say? I'm trying to say it makes sense to show all drives and their mountable file systems notwithstanding the user might be allowed to access them. Because if they're not privileged they should at least get a chance to see the drive is there (otherwise you get "My drive didn't show up! Is the computer broken?") along with an explanation why they can't access it maybe even with a possibility to auth for access. > > So I think what you want is to hide is exactly volumes that are mounted > > on traditional FHS mount points, e.g. /, /usr. I can't see why we should > > enforce this policy in Gnome VFS when the bits above (e.g. Nautilus, > > Filechooser) can handle this much better? > > I don't understand how you think nautilus can handle this better? Agreed, yea, probably GNOME VFS would know best. David [1] : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evaluation_Assurance_Level [2] : http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20040916.html Search for "epoxy". [3] : See http://people.freedesktop.org/~david/perm-override/gnome-mount-perm-override-1.png http://people.freedesktop.org/~david/perm-override/gnome-mount-perm-override-2.png From alexl@redhat.com Wed Jun 7 02:58:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 730983B0342 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:58:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20729-09 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C47583B01B2 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:58:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k576wSRX026164; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:58:28 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k576wNdo031791; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:58:23 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k576wMrc020424; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:58:23 -0400 From: Alexander Larsson To: David Zeuthen In-Reply-To: <1149544687.5951.56.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> References: <1148314063.5168.4.camel@localhost> <1148387730.19301.22.camel@greebo> <1148406054.5009.24.camel@localhost> <1148456225.19301.38.camel@greebo> <1148486395.4735.26.camel@greebo> <1148499503.5171.7.camel@localhost> <1148904283.16920.11.camel@greebo> <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> <1149544687.5951.56.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 08:58:24 +0200 Message-Id: <1149663504.5416.123.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.587 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.587 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: [PATCH] computer:/// should display all drives, not only user-visible ones X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 06:58:31 -0000 On Mon, 2006-06-05 at 17:58 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: > So what am I trying to say? I'm trying to say it makes sense to show all > drives and their mountable file systems notwithstanding the user might > be allowed to access them. Because if they're not privileged they should > at least get a chance to see the drive is there (otherwise you get "My > drive didn't show up! Is the computer broken?") along with an > explanation why they can't access it maybe even with a possibility to > auth for access. I don't really follow your reasoning fully. I agree that users want to see their OSX and/or windows mounts from linux, but I think you over-empasize the "single user, dual boot, home desktop" usecase. In the case of more traditional sysadmined unix setups (at universities and whatnot) you'll have a bunch of bizzare mountpoints (nfs mounts, autofs mounts, tmpfs, /usr, /home, extra drives/partitions, etc). If we were to show all these, then I think things would look pretty confusing. I really think we need to hide a bunch of mountpoints. Some mountpoints can probably be hardcoded (like /proc, /tmp/, /home, /opt/*, /usr, and /boot), but we can never think of all possibilities, so we should probably have a way to mark them. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a benighted playboy dog-catcher whom everyone believes is mad. She's a sarcastic extravagent former first lady from a family of eight older brothers. They fight crime! From xclaesse@gmail.com Wed Jun 7 08:51:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 546413B0B28 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:51:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13070-01 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outmx007.isp.belgacom.be (outmx007.isp.belgacom.be [195.238.5.234]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A19F93B03C4 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outmx007.isp.belgacom.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outmx007.isp.belgacom.be (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Skynet-OUT-2.22) with ESMTP id k57Cow2U030006 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:51:03 +0200 (envelope-from ) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (68-220.242.81.adsl.skynet.be [81.242.220.68]) by outmx007.isp.belgacom.be (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Skynet-OUT-2.22) with ESMTP id k57CovMd029978; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:50:57 +0200 (envelope-from ) From: Xavier Claessens To: Alexander Larsson In-Reply-To: <1149663504.5416.123.camel@greebo> References: <1148314063.5168.4.camel@localhost> <1148387730.19301.22.camel@greebo> <1148406054.5009.24.camel@localhost> <1148456225.19301.38.camel@greebo> <1148486395.4735.26.camel@greebo> <1148499503.5171.7.camel@localhost> <1148904283.16920.11.camel@greebo> <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> <1149544687.5951.56.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149663504.5416.123.camel@greebo> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-hOGtOF5lpypbLjK1X4t7" Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:51:08 +0200 Message-Id: <1149684668.5095.1.camel@zdra-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.471, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_NEUTRAL=1.069] X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" , David Zeuthen Subject: Re: [PATCH] computer:/// should display all drives, not only user-visible ones X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:51:14 -0000 --=-hOGtOF5lpypbLjK1X4t7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Le mercredi 07 juin 2006 =C3=A0 08:58 +0200, Alexander Larsson a =C3=A9crit= : > On Mon, 2006-06-05 at 17:58 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: >=20 > > So what am I trying to say? I'm trying to say it makes sense to show al= l > > drives and their mountable file systems notwithstanding the user might > > be allowed to access them. Because if they're not privileged they shoul= d > > at least get a chance to see the drive is there (otherwise you get "My > > drive didn't show up! Is the computer broken?") along with an > > explanation why they can't access it maybe even with a possibility to > > auth for access. >=20 > I don't really follow your reasoning fully. I agree that users want to > see their OSX and/or windows mounts from linux, but I think you > over-empasize the "single user, dual boot, home desktop" usecase. In the > case of more traditional sysadmined unix setups (at universities and > whatnot) you'll have a bunch of bizzare mountpoints (nfs mounts, autofs > mounts, tmpfs, /usr, /home, extra drives/partitions, etc).=20 >=20 > If we were to show all these, then I think things would look pretty > confusing. I really think we need to hide a bunch of mountpoints. Some > mountpoints can probably be hardcoded > (like /proc, /tmp/, /home, /opt/*, /usr, and /boot), but we can never > think of all possibilities, so we should probably have a way to mark > them. >=20 We should only display "/media/*" and "/mnt/*" Xavier. --=-hOGtOF5lpypbLjK1X4t7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Ceci est une partie de message =?ISO-8859-1?Q?num=E9riquement?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_sign=E9e?= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEhsu76dEBUn2qPAMRApRBAJwNCLBuPyxCtkh0sIbICQBqpRGDFACfaN00 Kc9Uz6ZIjQ4wxsbbHO74ZG0= =Wmaq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-hOGtOF5lpypbLjK1X4t7-- From tomasek@ebed.etf.cuni.cz Wed Jun 7 08:55:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 864A63B0C97 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13300-04 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ebed.etf.cuni.cz (ebed.etf.cuni.cz [195.113.5.3]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E66983B03C4 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ebed.etf.cuni.cz (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ebed.etf.cuni.cz (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k57ChDPX029737 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:43:13 +0200 Received: (from tomasek@localhost) by ebed.etf.cuni.cz (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Submit) id k57ChDrV029735 for gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:43:13 +0200 Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:43:13 +0200 From: Petr Tomasek To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20060607124313.GA29329@ebed.etf.cuni.cz> References: <1148456225.19301.38.camel@greebo> <1148486395.4735.26.camel@greebo> <1148499503.5171.7.camel@localhost> <1148904283.16920.11.camel@greebo> <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> <1149544687.5951.56.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149663504.5416.123.camel@greebo> <1149684668.5095.1.camel@zdra-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1149684668.5095.1.camel@zdra-desktop> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Homepage: http://www.etf.cuni.cz/~tomasek/ X-Echelon: bomb Arafat Intifada bus kach drugs mafia boss heroin spy Semtex Saddam Al-Qaida Usama bin Ladin Bush Sharon X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.535 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.064, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.535 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: [PATCH] computer:/// should display all drives, not only user-visible ones X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:55:00 -0000 > > I don't really follow your reasoning fully. I agree that users want to > > see their OSX and/or windows mounts from linux, but I think you > > over-empasize the "single user, dual boot, home desktop" usecase. In the > > case of more traditional sysadmined unix setups (at universities and > > whatnot) you'll have a bunch of bizzare mountpoints (nfs mounts, autofs > > mounts, tmpfs, /usr, /home, extra drives/partitions, etc). > > > > If we were to show all these, then I think things would look pretty > > confusing. I really think we need to hide a bunch of mountpoints. Some > > mountpoints can probably be hardcoded > > (like /proc, /tmp/, /home, /opt/*, /usr, and /boot), but we can never > > think of all possibilities, so we should probably have a way to mark > > them. > > > > We should only display "/media/*" and "/mnt/*" > > Xavier. Please, let it be configurable! There are people who prefer mounting media under "/" (like "/cdrom", etc.) P.T. -- Petr Tomasek From david@fubar.dk Wed Jun 7 09:42:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 565EE3B03C1 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:42:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17395-02 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:42:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from davidz.fubar.dk (unknown [208.184.5.49]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8057D3B0229 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:42:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.115] (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by davidz.fubar.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CDC19CE06F; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:42:47 -0400 (EDT) From: David Zeuthen To: Xavier Claessens In-Reply-To: <1149684668.5095.1.camel@zdra-desktop> References: <1148314063.5168.4.camel@localhost> <1148387730.19301.22.camel@greebo> <1148406054.5009.24.camel@localhost> <1148456225.19301.38.camel@greebo> <1148486395.4735.26.camel@greebo> <1148499503.5171.7.camel@localhost> <1148904283.16920.11.camel@greebo> <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> <1149544687.5951.56.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149663504.5416.123.camel@greebo> <1149684668.5095.1.camel@zdra-desktop> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 09:43:54 -0400 Message-Id: <1149687834.2424.24.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.2.1 (2.7.2.1-4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.57 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.029, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.57 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" , Alexander Larsson Subject: Re: [PATCH] computer:/// should display all drives, not only user-visible ones X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:42:51 -0000 On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 14:51 +0200, Xavier Claessens wrote: > > I don't really follow your reasoning fully. I agree that users want to > > see their OSX and/or windows mounts from linux, but I think you > > over-empasize the "single user, dual boot, home desktop" usecase. In the > > case of more traditional sysadmined unix setups (at universities and > > whatnot) you'll have a bunch of bizzare mountpoints (nfs mounts, autofs > > mounts, tmpfs, /usr, /home, extra drives/partitions, etc). > > > > If we were to show all these, then I think things would look pretty > > confusing. I really think we need to hide a bunch of mountpoints. Some > > mountpoints can probably be hardcoded > > (like /proc, /tmp/, /home, /opt/*, /usr, and /boot), but we can never > > think of all possibilities, so we should probably have a way to mark > > them. Yea, of course we should hide such bizarre mount points. My point was merely we ought to show drives/mounts even if the user is not privileged to mount them. > > > > We should only display "/media/*" and "/mnt/*" Yup, that's one option, maybe just resort to showing entries from /media then alexl's /mnt/hdb1 drive won't be shown (and if alexl wants it to be shown he can move the mount point to /media). Personally I think we should just hide all the directories and subdirs as defined by FHS2.3. We do that here http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/gnome-vfs/libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-hal-mounts.c?view=markup in function _hal_volume_policy_check() though I'm unsure whether this code is used at the moment (will look into that). David From alexl@redhat.com Fri Jun 9 07:20:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF0E53B0097 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18633-05 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AB843B011C for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59BJwQm005302; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:19:58 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59BJwLZ006488; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:19:58 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59BJvoV024293; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:19:57 -0400 From: Alexander Larsson To: David Zeuthen In-Reply-To: <1149687834.2424.24.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> References: <1148314063.5168.4.camel@localhost> <1148387730.19301.22.camel@greebo> <1148406054.5009.24.camel@localhost> <1148456225.19301.38.camel@greebo> <1148486395.4735.26.camel@greebo> <1148499503.5171.7.camel@localhost> <1148904283.16920.11.camel@greebo> <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> <1149544687.5951.56.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149663504.5416.123.camel@greebo> <1149684668.5095.1.camel@zdra-desktop> <1149687834.2424.24.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 13:19:57 +0200 Message-Id: <1149851997.3023.51.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.587 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.587 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: [PATCH] computer:/// should display all drives, not only user-visible ones X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 11:20:05 -0000 On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 09:43 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 14:51 +0200, Xavier Claessens wrote: > > > I don't really follow your reasoning fully. I agree that users want to > > > see their OSX and/or windows mounts from linux, but I think you > > > over-empasize the "single user, dual boot, home desktop" usecase. In the > > > case of more traditional sysadmined unix setups (at universities and > > > whatnot) you'll have a bunch of bizzare mountpoints (nfs mounts, autofs > > > mounts, tmpfs, /usr, /home, extra drives/partitions, etc). > > > > > > If we were to show all these, then I think things would look pretty > > > confusing. I really think we need to hide a bunch of mountpoints. Some > > > mountpoints can probably be hardcoded > > > (like /proc, /tmp/, /home, /opt/*, /usr, and /boot), but we can never > > > think of all possibilities, so we should probably have a way to mark > > > them. > > Yea, of course we should hide such bizarre mount points. My point was > merely we ought to show drives/mounts even if the user is not privileged > to mount them. > > > > > > > > We should only display "/media/*" and "/mnt/*" > > Yup, that's one option, maybe just resort to showing entries from /media > then alexl's /mnt/hdb1 drive won't be shown (and if alexl wants it to be > shown he can move the mount point to /media). Personally I think we > should just hide all the directories and subdirs as defined by FHS2.3. > We do that here > > http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/gnome-vfs/libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-hal-mounts.c?view=markup > > in function _hal_volume_policy_check() though I'm unsure whether this > code is used at the moment (will look into that). Well, the bug report: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341446 showed drives for things like / and /home. So something is going wrong here. I see a _hal_drive_policy_check that is empty though. Anyway, what i think we should do is: Have a policy for what mountpoints to create drives for. Be it by blacklisting or whitelisting. If the policy says the mountpoint shouldn't have a drive then we don't even create one. Set is_user_visible to false on drives that support auto-mounting, so we can hide them everywhere but in computer:///. I think blacklisting will probably work well enough, but you probably need to add more stuff than just the toplevel FHS mountpoints, for instance /dev/shmem and common non-linux mountpoints. Also, it looks like you create drives based on currently mounted volumes that are not in fstab? This will generate a bunch of drives when using things like autofs for separate /home/ mountpoints and cause things like /proc/bus/usb to get drives. Does it ever make sense to create a drive object for a volume like this? It'll only live as long as the volume and you can't really use it for anything. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a time-tossed coffee-fuelled inventor on his last day in the job. She's a warm-hearted mutant research scientist from a different time and place. They fight crime! From alexl@redhat.com Fri Jun 9 07:21:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A75453B0121 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:21:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18661-08 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:21:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 573C53B006A for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:21:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59BLiIX005951; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:21:44 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59BLiWa006890; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:21:44 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59BLh8I024410; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:21:44 -0400 From: Alexander Larsson To: Ken Ishii In-Reply-To: <20060604195153.83291.qmail@web61323.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060604195153.83291.qmail@web61323.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 13:21:43 +0200 Message-Id: <1149852104.3023.53.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.587 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.587 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: gnome_vfs_uri_hash() bug? X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 11:21:46 -0000 On Sun, 2006-06-04 at 12:51 -0700, Ken Ishii wrote: > gnome_vfs_uri_hash() has the following code section: > > for (uri_p = uri; uri_p != NULL; uri_p = uri_p->parent) { > HASH_STRING (hash_value, uri_p->text); > HASH_STRING (hash_value, uri_p->method_string); > > if (uri_p->parent != NULL) { > const GnomeVFSToplevelURI *toplevel; > > toplevel = (const GnomeVFSToplevelURI *) uri_p; > > Since GnomeVFSToplevelURI is defined to be an URI without a parent, > shouldn't > if (uri_p->parent != NULL) > be > if (uri_p->parent == NULL) > instead? Yeah. That looks wrong. I'm fixing it in cvs. Thanks. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's an old-fashioned white trash romance novelist She's a bloodthirsty Buddhist bodyguard prone to fits of savage, blood-crazed rage. They fight crime! From alexl@redhat.com Mon Jun 12 05:38:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 296D33B00A7 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28453-10 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A0A33B008D for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5C9bL45019802; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:37:21 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5C9bG0T011686; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:37:16 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5C9bF3C014485; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:37:15 -0400 From: Alexander Larsson To: Xavier Claessens In-Reply-To: <1149455967.15249.30.camel@zdra-desktop> References: <1149455967.15249.30.camel@zdra-desktop> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:37:15 +0200 Message-Id: <1150105036.3023.95.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.587 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.587 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: volume-unmounted signal on GnomeVFSDrive X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:38:16 -0000 On Sun, 2006-06-04 at 23:19 +0200, Xavier Claessens wrote: > Hello, > > As I understand the "volume-unmounted" signal is emitted before the > volume unmounted is really removed from the drive. So in the callback, > if we run gnome_vfs_drive_get_mounted_volumes() it will return a GList > still containing the unmounted GnomeVFSVolume. > > I think it should be very useful to have a callback after everything is > done. For example in nautilus'places sidebar when we get the > "volume-unmounted" callback we can't update the sidebar yet because the > drive still has the volume connected... so we add a g_idle_add() to have > a callback after everything is done and then we can update the sidebar. > > I think that's more a workaround than a real solution. What about adding > in GnomeVFSDrive and GnomeVFSVolumeMonitor a "volume-post-unmount" > callback (we already have a "volume-pre-unmount" cb) ? > > I you are OK with the idea I can make a patch. You could just look at gnome_vfs_volume_is_mounted() in the volume-unmounted call and ignore things that are not mounted. We do set is_mounted before emitting the signal for things like this. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a deeply religious umbrella-wielding astronaut looking for a cure to the poison coursing through his veins. She's a green-fingered snooty femme fatale who can talk to animals. They fight crime! From alexl@redhat.com Mon Jun 12 06:12:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 084B93B0078 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:12:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29802-04 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BF913B009D for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5C9TFho017434; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:29:15 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5C9TF93010182; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:29:15 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5C9TEb4013434; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:29:14 -0400 From: Alexander Larsson To: Christian Neumair In-Reply-To: <1149010547.5256.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1149010547.5256.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:29:14 +0200 Message-Id: <1150104554.3023.93.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.549 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.025, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_FD=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.549 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" , Ken Ishii Subject: Re: Proposed (unfinished) ZIP module available on Bugzilla X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:12:18 -0000 On Tue, 2006-05-30 at 19:35 +0200, Christian Neumair wrote: > Dear GnomeVFS development community, > > as requested by Ken Ishii who needs a ZIP module, I'm publishing a > prelimitary version of a GnomeVFS ZIP module in Bugzilla [1]. People who > are interested in development should check out the bug report and help > out :). > > [1] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343419 It seems this uncompresses the file on open and then reads from that. I think this is the right approach, but there are some tricks you could use to make this nicer. What you do is create the uncompressed temp files (in /tmp) and then unlink the file, keeping the file descriptor around. This means the file is not visible in the filesystem, but the data for it is kept around until the last fd referencing it is closed. You store this fd in a cache, and then use dup() to get a new independent file descriptor to the file in do_open(). When the app is closed the kernel will close all fds and deallocate the filesystem space. So, doing things this way means you'll never leak tempfiles. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a lounge-singing albino vampire hunter who knows the secret of the alien invasion. She's a virginal punk traffic cop with an MBA from Harvard. They fight crime! From mclasen@redhat.com Mon Jun 12 22:40:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BAD63B0009 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07590-05 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3251E3B000C for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5D2MFId000486 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:22:15 -0400 Received: from lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (lacrosse.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.154]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5D2MFG6018613 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:22:15 -0400 Received: from [172.16.83.145] (vpn83-145.boston.redhat.com [172.16.83.145]) by lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k5D2MEWJ003165 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:22:14 -0400 From: Matthias Clasen To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Red Hat Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:24:01 -0400 Message-Id: <1150165441.4081.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.2.1 (2.7.2.1-4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.541 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.060, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.541 X-Spam-Level: Subject: gnome-mime-data dependency X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 02:40:48 -0000 During some Fedora package work I noticed that gnome-vfs still pulls in gnome-mime-data, which seems to be old and unmaintained. Alex tells me that it is needed for some deprecated mime apis. I think it would be nice to get rid of that dependency in 2.16. Matthias From bosshrap@zhwin.ch Tue Jun 13 10:41:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D47B3B000C for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26639-07 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a.mx.projectdream.org (eth0-0.yuffie.projectdream.org [194.88.212.200]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2806B3B00A5 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.0.11] (d213-103-155-97.cust.tele2.ch [213.103.155.97]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by a.mx.projectdream.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD3548811A for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:40:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <448ECE64.9030800@zhwin.ch> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:40:36 +0200 From: Raphael Bosshard User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060612) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Subject: [PATCH] Display binary prefix filesizes instead of decimal prefix filesizes (344296) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000304070805010006040703" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 08:09:00 -0400 X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:41:32 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000304070805010006040703 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit See http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344296 This patch changes the human readable filesizes (gnome_vfs_format_file_size_for_display) which are curently displayed (rather missleading) with binary prefix multipliers (such as Kilo, Mega, Giga) to more appropriate binary prefix multipiers (Kibi, Mebi, Gibi). The IEC approved standard symbols (KiB, MiB, GiB) are used. For more information please read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix So long, Raphael --------------000304070805010006040703 Content-Type: text/x-patch; name="gnome-vfs-display-binary-prefix.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="gnome-vfs-display-binary-prefix.patch" --- gnome-vfs-2.14.2/libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-utils.c 2006-03-03 10:28:21.000000000 +0100 +++ gnome-vfs-2.14.2-work/libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-utils.c 2006-06-10 23:03:40.983116272 +0200 @@ -51,9 +51,9 @@ #include #include -#define KILOBYTE_FACTOR 1024.0 -#define MEGABYTE_FACTOR (1024.0 * 1024.0) -#define GIGABYTE_FACTOR (1024.0 * 1024.0 * 1024.0) +#define KIBIBYTE_FACTOR 1024.0 +#define MEBIBYTE_FACTOR (1024.0 * 1024.0) +#define GIBIBYTE_FACTORFACTOR (1024.0 * 1024.0 * 1024.0) #define READ_CHUNK_SIZE 8192 @@ -74,22 +74,22 @@ gchar* gnome_vfs_format_file_size_for_display (GnomeVFSFileSize size) { - if (size < (GnomeVFSFileSize) KILOBYTE_FACTOR) { + if (size < (GnomeVFSFileSize) KIBIBYTE_FACTOR) { return g_strdup_printf (dngettext(GETTEXT_PACKAGE, "%u byte", "%u bytes",(guint) size), (guint) size); } else { gdouble displayed_size; - if (size < (GnomeVFSFileSize) MEGABYTE_FACTOR) { - displayed_size = (gdouble) size / KILOBYTE_FACTOR; - return g_strdup_printf (_("%.1f KB"), + if (size < (GnomeVFSFileSize) MEBIBYTE_FACTOR) { + displayed_size = (gdouble) size / KIBIBYTE_FACTOR; + return g_strdup_printf (_("%.1f KiB"), displayed_size); - } else if (size < (GnomeVFSFileSize) GIGABYTE_FACTOR) { - displayed_size = (gdouble) size / MEGABYTE_FACTOR; - return g_strdup_printf (_("%.1f MB"), + } else if (size < (GnomeVFSFileSize) GIBIBYTE_FACTORFACTOR) { + displayed_size = (gdouble) size / MEBIBYTE_FACTOR; + return g_strdup_printf (_("%.1f MiB"), displayed_size); } else { - displayed_size = (gdouble) size / GIGABYTE_FACTOR; - return g_strdup_printf (_("%.1f GB"), + displayed_size = (gdouble) size / GIBIBYTE_FACTORFACTOR; + return g_strdup_printf (_("%.1f GiB"), displayed_size); } } --------------000304070805010006040703-- From alexl@redhat.com Sat Jun 17 04:58:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 361533B042A for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 04:58:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15153-02 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 04:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 676533B010F for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 04:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5H8vMS8009846; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 04:57:22 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5H8vMxp026394; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 04:57:22 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5H8vL4b023197; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 04:57:21 -0400 Subject: Re: [PATCH] Display binary prefix filesizes instead of decimal prefix filesizes (344296) From: Alexander Larsson To: Raphael Bosshard In-Reply-To: <448ECE64.9030800@zhwin.ch> References: <448ECE64.9030800@zhwin.ch> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 10:57:21 +0200 Message-Id: <1150534641.1962.19.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.588 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.013, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.588 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 08:58:04 -0000 On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 16:40 +0200, Raphael Bosshard wrote: > See http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344296 > > This patch changes the human readable filesizes > (gnome_vfs_format_file_size_for_display) which are curently displayed > (rather missleading) with binary prefix multipliers (such as Kilo, Mega, > Giga) to more appropriate binary prefix multipiers (Kibi, Mebi, Gibi). > The IEC approved standard symbols (KiB, MiB, GiB) are used. > > For more information please read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix This has already been denied in bugs like: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127175 Which references mails like: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-doc-list/2003-December/msg00004.html and the gnome docs style guides: http://developer.gnome.org/documents/style-guide/units.html For what its worth I very much agree with Patrick. The binary prefixes are silly and nobody but anal-retentive ultra-geeks will understand them, thus confusing the general userbase (who haven't seen them before). =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a sword-wielding pirate librarian searching for his wife's true killer. She's a time-travelling junkie Hell's Angel in the wrong place at the wrong time. They fight crime! From nf2@scheinwelt.at Sun Jun 18 18:55:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 462013B00AF; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 18:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12908-03; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 18:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx-01.sil.at (mx-01.sil.at [86.59.12.198]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 208EC3B00B2; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 18:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vie-062-116-122-020.dsl.sil.at ([62.116.122.20] helo=[192.168.5.82]) by mx-01.sil.at with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Fs69X-0004Oc-Kv; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 00:54:01 +0200 Message-ID: <4495D984.5090705@scheinwelt.at> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 00:53:56 +0200 From: nf2 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gtk-list@gnome.org, gnome vfs list Subject: libxdg-vfs and Gtk-Filechooser Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scan-Signature: 9d02a3267670e8bb77f537b38fda5a39 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.51 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.012, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_XD=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.51 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 22:55:34 -0000 Hi, The experimental "libxdg-vfs" provides a generic interface to VFS libraries. It tries to autodetect the current desktop and then connects to Gnome-VFS or KIO by launching the backend executables xdg_vfs_gnome or xdg_vfs_kde. http://www.scheinwelt.at/~norbertf/dadapt/files/xdg_utils/doc/libxdg-vfs.html The target of "libxdg-vfs" would be giving applications access to ftp/smb shares etc... Of course this also involves bringing VFS access to filechoosers. AFAIK Gtk-Filechooser has pluggable backends (GtkFilesystem). It would be interesting if it could also run on top of "libxdg-vfs". The problem is, that i couldn't find any documentation how to implement a GtkFilesystem module. Could you please give me an introduction and maybe tell me about the specific requirements for a GtkFilesystem? Perhaps i need to provide more functions through "libxdg-vfs": listing and mounting Volumes, obtaining icon-paths,... Regards, Norbert From chris@gnome-de.org Sun Jun 18 13:44:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 349513B00E5 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05823-10 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.bytecamp.net (mail.bytecamp.net [212.204.60.9]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E77BC3B0009 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:44:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 45357 invoked by uid 85); 18 Jun 2006 17:36:58 -0000 Received: from chris@gnome-de.org by mail.bytecamp.net by uid 88 with qmail-scanner-1.20 (clamscan: 0.88.1 Clear:RC:0(84.150.153.121):. Processed in 7.089351 secs); 18 Jun 2006 17:36:58 -0000 Received: from p54969979.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (HELO ?192.168.123.112?) (chris@gnome-de.org@84.150.153.121) by mail.bytecamp.net with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 18 Jun 2006 17:36:51 -0000 Subject: [PATCH] Improve docs, new attempt From: Christian Neumair To: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-4cYgbTZAmh2zlaadTQGz" Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 19:36:47 +0200 Message-Id: <1150652208.22660.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.586 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.013, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.586 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:27:21 -0400 X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 17:44:45 -0000 --=-4cYgbTZAmh2zlaadTQGz Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've spent some more hours on GnomeVFS docs and the Xfer docs should be in a way better shape now. 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requested) by smtp.hora-obscura.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 768D4878023; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:31:19 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: [PATCH] Improve docs, new attempt From: Stefan Kost To: Christian Neumair In-Reply-To: <1150652208.22660.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1150652208.22660.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:30:37 +0300 Message-Id: <1150756237.15396.6.camel@fluffy.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at hora-obscura.de X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:8eea7ddcf9c0cceb26830fe517b7ade3 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.496 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.026, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_GT=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.496 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 22:38:50 -0000 Hi Christian, Am Sonntag, den 18.06.2006, 19:36 +0200 schrieb Christian Neumair: > I've spent some more hours on GnomeVFS docs and the Xfer docs should be > in a way better shape now. I got commit permission for the last one > already, but this one is significantly larger (240 kB, but including the > tmpl/ regeneration garbage). I strongly recommend to move all docs to the source files and remove the tmpl files from cvs totaly. If developers use different versions of gtk-doc, commiting partialy generated files such as the files under tmpl/ can often cause conflicts like those we know with po/*.po files. Besides developers will more likely update docs when they are close to the sources. In case you are not aware, even the section docs can be added to the sources (see the gtk-doc manual in yelp). Stefan From chipzz@ULYSSIS.Org Mon Jun 19 21:43:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 471F03B015D for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:43:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15440-03 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.240.42]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4EC63B00D9 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43E5F1D75E5 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:42:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp03.kuleuven.be (antonius.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.240.73]) by rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E13C1D75DF for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:42:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.be (ray.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.be [193.190.253.198]) by smtp03.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47261332762 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:42:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 30541 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2006 01:42:20 -0000 Received: from ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.be (HELO ace.ulyssis.org) (193.190.253.208) by smtp.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.be with SMTP; 20 Jun 2006 01:42:20 -0000 Received: by ace.ulyssis.org (Postfix, from userid 1275) id 050F92EFE4; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:42:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ace.ulyssis.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E85052EFE3; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:42:19 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:42:19 +0200 (CEST) From: Chipzz To: Christian Neumair Subject: Re: [PATCH] Improve docs, new attempt In-Reply-To: <1150652208.22660.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: References: <1150652208.22660.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by KULeuven Antivirus Cluster X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.419 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.045, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.419 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: Chipzz@ULYSSIS.Org List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:43:10 -0000 I only read about half of your patch, and not even all of it carefully, but here are a couple of suggestions: + * Either way, it acts like #GnomeVFSXferProgressCallback + * would act in non-asynchronous mode. The differences in + * invocation are explained in the gnome_vfs_async_xfer() + * documentation documentation. -> 2x documentation. + * @GNOME_VFS_FILE_TYPE_REGULAR: The file is regular (stat: %S_ISDIR). + * @GNOME_VFS_FILE_TYPE_DIRECTORY: The file is a directory (stat: %S_ISREG). -> "The file is a regular file" -> %S_ISDIR and %S_ISREG are swapped. + * @GNOME_VFS_PERM_USER_READ: Owner has read permission. etc... -> permission*s* ? + * @GNOME_VFS_PERM_OTHER_ALL: Others have all permissionss. -> permission*ss* ! + * @block_count: The size of the file in 512-byte blocks (a #GnomeVFSFileSize), -> I may be totally wrong here, but isn't this filesystem dependant? kr, On Sun, 18 Jun 2006, Christian Neumair wrote: > I've spent some more hours on GnomeVFS docs and the Xfer docs should be > in a way better shape now. I got commit permission for the last one > already, but this one is significantly larger (240 kB, but including the > tmpl/ regeneration garbage). Chipzz AKA Jan Van Buggenhout -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ UNIX isn't dead - It just smells funny Chipzz@ULYSSIS.Org ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Baldric, you wouldn't recognize a subtle plan if it painted itself pur- ple and danced naked on a harpsicord singing 'subtle plans are here a- gain'." From bosshrap@zhwin.ch Tue Jun 20 09:25:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A5FA3B01A8 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:25:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17592-03 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a.mx.projectdream.org (eth0-0.yuffie.projectdream.org [194.88.212.200]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 765663B017D for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dskt6433.zhwin.ch (dskt6433.zhwin.ch [160.85.162.206]) by a.mx.projectdream.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 048688803B; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:24:23 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: [PATCH] Display binary prefix filesizes instead of decimal prefix filesizes (344296) From: Raphael Bosshard To: Alexander Larsson In-Reply-To: <1150534641.1962.19.camel@greebo> References: <448ECE64.9030800@zhwin.ch> <1150534641.1962.19.camel@greebo> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:24:20 +0200 Message-Id: <1150809860.15905.28.camel@numenor> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.11 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11] X-Spam-Score: -1.11 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:25:20 -0000 Hello there! > For what its worth I very much agree with Patrick. The binary prefixes > are silly and nobody but anal-retentive ultra-geeks will understand > them, thus confusing the general userbase (who haven't seen them > before). Well, that's strange. I never considered myself a "anal-retentive ultra-geek". And I certainly never thought that my sister would fit into the category of "anal-retentive ultra-geeks". And yet she was the one who brought up the topic when we upgraded her computer with a new hard disk last week. The disk was labeled "250 Gigabyte". Yet when we installed it,"only" 238 Gigabytes were available. I explained her that the disk manufacturer interpreted the term "Giga" in a other way then the software manufacturer. Being an "anal-retentive ultra-geek", she was bothered by this. My sister is by no means a technical person. But to her european decimalised mind "Kilo" means "a thousand" and not "a thousand and twenty four", just in the way that "Mega" means "a million" and not "one million four hundred forty nine thousand six hundred sixteen". It doesn't bother me, mind you. I know that in IT "Giga" doesn't mean "Giga". But I always thought that only "anal-retentive ultra-geeks" know that and I recently noticed it confuses the the general userbase (who haven't heard of that before). The strange thing is that almost everyone seems to agree (even Patrick) that binary prefixes are a good Idea. However; everyone seems to wait with the adaption of binary prefixes until everyone around has adapted them. Funny thing. I see no need to bother the documentation team; there is to much resistance against binary prefixes. So long, Raphael From alexl@redhat.com Tue Jun 20 09:50:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6D663B01A8 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18291-09 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3030F3B020B for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5KDo05r027617; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:50:00 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5KDo0Fm009656; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:50:00 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5KDnxEP016163; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:49:59 -0400 Subject: Re: [PATCH] Display binary prefix filesizes instead of decimal prefix filesizes (344296) From: Alexander Larsson To: Raphael Bosshard In-Reply-To: <1150809860.15905.28.camel@numenor> References: <448ECE64.9030800@zhwin.ch> <1150534641.1962.19.camel@greebo> <1150809860.15905.28.camel@numenor> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:49:59 +0200 Message-Id: <1150811399.16397.51.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.588 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.013, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.588 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:50:55 -0000 On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 15:24 +0200, Raphael Bosshard wrote: > > For what its worth I very much agree with Patrick. The binary prefixes > > are silly and nobody but anal-retentive ultra-geeks will understand > > them, thus confusing the general userbase (who haven't seen them > > before). > > Well, that's strange. I never considered myself a "anal-retentive > ultra-geek". And I certainly never thought that my sister would fit into > the category of "anal-retentive ultra-geeks". And yet she was the one > who brought up the topic when we upgraded her computer with a new hard > disk last week. The disk was labeled "250 Gigabyte". Yet when we > installed it,"only" 238 Gigabytes were available. I explained her that > the disk manufacturer interpreted the term "Giga" in a other way then > the software manufacturer. Being an "anal-retentive ultra-geek", she was > bothered by this. > > My sister is by no means a technical person. But to her european > decimalised mind "Kilo" means "a thousand" and not "a thousand and > twenty four", just in the way that "Mega" means "a million" and not "one > million four hundred forty nine thousand six hundred sixteen". I'm well aware of the problems with 1000/1024 multipliers. However, consider your sisters case if we used 238 gibibyte instead of 238 gigabyte. 1) We'd still show 238 instead of 250 which is listed which would cause your sister to wonder where the space went. 2) There would be a strange acronym in the UI that she had never seen before and didn't match what is commonly in use in ads, docs, hardware specifications etc. Its unfortunately true that terms like gigabyte and megabyte are very widespread and in active use by people who don't really know exactly what they mean. Changing this use is slow and hard. > It doesn't bother me, mind you. I know that in IT "Giga" doesn't mean > "Giga". But I always thought that only "anal-retentive ultra-geeks" know > that and I recently noticed it confuses the the general userbase (who > haven't heard of that before). > > The strange thing is that almost everyone seems to agree (even Patrick) > that binary prefixes are a good Idea. However; everyone seems to wait > with the adaption of binary prefixes until everyone around has adapted > them. Funny thing. This is almost always the case with such large (in terms of number of places/organizations it has to be changed) changes. I think its partly because the net gain of doing the change isn't really that large. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a one-legged soccer-playing rock star who hangs with the wrong crowd. She's a plucky goth nun from Mars. They fight crime! From lifewarped@yahoo.com Wed Jun 21 15:50:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F91D3B0266 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01152-09 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp109.plus.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp109.plus.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.53.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 424163B015F for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 56956 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2006 19:50:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.85?) (lifewarped@64.252.203.251 with plain) by smtp109.plus.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2006 19:50:29 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Message-Id: <647A0248-B8FA-4F26-8652-17718BEDAF37@yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-813535700 From: "Glenn R. Martin" Subject: IP6 and MacOS X Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:50:27 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.417 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.880, BAYES_40=-0.185, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.417 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 19:50:32 -0000 --Apple-Mail-1-813535700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Apple's Mac OS X predefines a macro named SIN6_LEN... However this macro appears to be nothing. I was wondering if i wouldnt be too much trouble to add the following to your gnome-vfs-address.c file so i would not have to add it next time? (im using todays CVS) Line 55, libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-address.c : #ifdef SIN6_LEN && __APPLE__ # undef SIN6_LEN #endif # define SIN6_LEN sizeof (struct sockaddr_in6) Thanks --- Glenn R. Martin lifewarped@yahoo.com http://www.xargos.com http://www.myspace.com/grmartin C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg. -- Bjarne Stroustrup --Apple-Mail-1-813535700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Apple's Mac OS X predefines a = macro named SIN6_LEN... However this macro appears to be nothing. I was = wondering if i wouldnt be too much trouble to add the following to your = gnome-vfs-address.c file so i would not have to add it next = time?

(im using = todays CVS)

Line = 55,=A0libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-address.c :

#ifdef SIN6_LEN = &&=A0__APPLE__
# undef = SIN6_LEN
#endif

# define SIN6_LEN=A0= =A0=A0 sizeof (struct sockaddr_in6)

Thanks

---
Glenn R. = Martin
C makes it easy to shoot yourself in = the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole = leg. -- Bjarne Stroustrup

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= --Apple-Mail-1-813535700-- From lifewarped@yahoo.com Wed Jun 21 15:58:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF823B0192 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02062-01 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:58:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp104.plus.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp104.plus.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.53.29]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AF9573B035A for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:58:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 63776 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2006 19:57:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.85?) (lifewarped@64.252.203.251 with plain) by smtp104.plus.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2006 19:57:59 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Message-Id: <2766644B-5FDA-44BF-BFA9-F0C4295F117E@yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-813985806 From: "Glenn R. Martin" Subject: login_tty on Mac OS X Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:57:57 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.823 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.361, BAYES_05=-1.11, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.823 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 19:58:02 -0000 --Apple-Mail-2-813985806 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed MacOS X has the login_tty() definition in its header which does not seem to be included by your libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-pty.{c,h} file. Mind doing so, if i run in to anything else, ill hold it back for a complete email. again my copy is from the CVS. --- Glenn R. Martin lifewarped@yahoo.com http://www.xargos.com http://www.myspace.com/grmartin C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg. -- Bjarne Stroustrup --Apple-Mail-2-813985806 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 MacOS X has the login_tty() = definition in its <util.h> header which does not seem to be = included by your=A0libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-pty.{c,h} file. Mind doing so, = if i run in to anything else, ill hold it back for a complete = email.

again my copy is from the = CVS.

---
Glenn R. = Martin
C makes it easy to shoot yourself in = the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole = leg. -- Bjarne Stroustrup

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(chris@gnome-de.org@84.150.143.65) by mail.bytecamp.net with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 22 Jun 2006 12:11:51 -0000 Subject: Re: [PATCH] Improve docs, new attempt From: Christian Neumair To: Chipzz@ULYSSIS.Org In-Reply-To: References: <1150652208.22660.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:11:45 +0200 Message-Id: <1150978306.5236.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.586 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.013, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.586 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:11:59 -0000 Am Dienstag, den 20.06.2006, 03:42 +0200 schrieb Chipzz: > I only read about half of your patch, and not even all of it carefully, but > here are a couple of suggestions: > (...) > -> "The file is a regular file" > -> %S_ISDIR and %S_ISREG are swapped. > > + * @GNOME_VFS_PERM_USER_READ: Owner has read permission. > etc... > > -> permission*s* ? Permission*s* for ALL but permission (without a trailing s) for the rest, i.e. READ, WRITE, EXECUTE. > (...) Thanks for your worthy suggestions, I've included almost all of them. Alex just looked through the patch as well and allowed me to commit it :). -- Christian Neumair From alexl@redhat.com Thu Jun 1 04:19:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 680983B0C81 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 04:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16118-02 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 04:19:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2B843B0C95 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 04:19:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k518JCYk032595; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 04:19:12 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k518JCBf005878; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 04:19:12 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k518J9Kt016649; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 04:19:10 -0400 From: Alexander Larsson To: David Zeuthen In-Reply-To: <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> References: <1148314063.5168.4.camel@localhost> <1148387730.19301.22.camel@greebo> <1148406054.5009.24.camel@localhost> <1148456225.19301.38.camel@greebo> <1148486395.4735.26.camel@greebo> <1148499503.5171.7.camel@localhost> <1148904283.16920.11.camel@greebo> <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:19:10 +0200 Message-Id: <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.587 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.587 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: [PATCH] computer:/// should display all drives, not only user-visible ones X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 08:19:18 -0000 On Wed, 2006-05-31 at 18:36 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: > Hi, > > Any reason this is not on the list? Also, please use my david@fubar.dk > email address since that's what I'm using for GNOME stuff. I dunno, it got removed at some point. I'm adding it back. > On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 14:04 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-05-24 at 21:38 +0200, Xavier Claessens wrote: > > > Le mercredi 24 mai 2006 à 17:59 +0200, Alexander Larsson a écrit : > > > > Here is the thing. I don't expect there to be a GnomeVFSDrive for > > > > the /home volume (which i assume is a normal mountpoint on another > > > > partition). We should only have drive objects for real removable media > > > > mountpoints. > > > > > > I join a simple program I made which lists all your drives and volumes > > > and says if they are user visible. It's what helped me understand how > > > GnomeVFS works :-) > > > > This seems to be a bug in the hal version of the monitoring. We're not > > supposed to be creating drive objects for all harddrives in the system. > > A Drive is supposed to be something you can insert a removable volume > > in, like a cdrom reader, a floppy reader, or a usb card reader. On my > > system hal creates a drive for e.g. /mnt/hdb1 which is a normal ext3 > > filesystem mounted at roottime and not user-mountable. This shouldn't > > only exist in the volume monitor as a non-user_visible volume, not as a > > drive. This used to be papered over in computer:// since the volumes for > > the drives were always mounted and not user-visible, so they got > > hidden. > > > > David, I don't really know the hal stuff. Could you look into this? > > So I'm not really sure why we want this difference you are describing. > In fact I'd argue that we indeed want to show volumes from e.g. the > internal hard disk for e.g. your Windows and OS X partitions. > > And this indeed requires a GnomeVFSDrive because the partition may not > be mounted and we only have a GnomeVFSVolume for a GnomeVFSDrive when > the partition the GnomeVFSDrive represents is actually mounted (that's > my understanding of the how Gnome VFS works). The initial design for drives was to represent devices that use removable media (such as cdrom drives, floppy drives, usb card readers, etc). For these devices the operations on the device are "natural" to the user. Its true that one can also view them as just "possible mountpoints for volumes", which means you could have a drive for your OSX or windows partition. However, when you expose this in the UI you suddenly turn a very explicit obvious hardware mapping into a way to expose the much more vague and complicated unix operation of "mounting a filesystem". I.E. you remove the mapping from icons in the UI to hardware units you can put stuff into. If you take the view of a non-unix person (i.e. one unaware of the details of mountpoints etc) using a Gnome desktop with a separate HD you have basically three cases. Either the partition is mounted, the user is allowed to mount the partition, or the user isn't allowed to mount the partition. In the first case we clearly should show a volume icon, and in the last case i argue that we should never show a drive icon (it would do nothing but confuse people). The question is what to in the second case. In an ideal desktop system I don't think that state really is very useful. What non-sysadmin-related use would you have for not mounting that volume if you are allowed to mount it anyway? In the case on a non-ideal unix system the question gets complicated and turns into a question about whether the mountpoint is an "internal implementation detail" of the filesystem mount tree or not, and this becomes very similar to the question whether to expand symlinks or not (don't expand /home to /mnt/hdb/home, but expand ~/Desktop/music to ~/Documents/MyMusic). Some cases are simple, you never want to display /, /proc, /sys, /dev/pts, /boot, etc. However, for others things are not so easy. I have for instance /mnt/hdb1 on my system where i have symlinks like /opt -> /mnt/hdb1/opt. I wouldn't want to display this. Whether to show such drives or not is clearly a complicated, system-dependent issue and should be solved in the lower layers, and not solved in each app using gnome-vfs. The change that resulted in this being an acute problem was that we decided to hide drives that support auto-mount in all places but computer:// by using the is_user_visible flag of the drive. Doing this means that flag is used for that and can't also be used to flag whether a drive is "internal" or not. I think just not having drive objects for internal mountpoints is the easiest solution to this. > So I think what you want is to hide is exactly volumes that are mounted > on traditional FHS mount points, e.g. /, /usr. I can't see why we should > enforce this policy in Gnome VFS when the bits above (e.g. Nautilus, > Filechooser) can handle this much better? I don't understand how you think nautilus can handle this better? =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a gun-slinging voodoo master criminal whom everyone believes is mad. She's a strong-willed impetuous detective descended from a line of powerful witches. They fight crime! From xclaesse@gmail.com Sun Jun 4 17:08:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 948253B01AC for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10855-08 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:08:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outmx018.isp.belgacom.be (outmx018.isp.belgacom.be [195.238.4.117]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7837F3B016C for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outmx018.isp.belgacom.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outmx018.isp.belgacom.be (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Skynet-OUT-2.22) with ESMTP id k54L8WOP014717 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 23:08:32 +0200 (envelope-from ) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (85-212.242.81.adsl.skynet.be [81.242.212.85]) by outmx018.isp.belgacom.be (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Skynet-OUT-2.22) with ESMTP id k54L8V56014703; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 23:08:31 +0200 (envelope-from ) From: Xavier Claessens To: Alexander Larsson In-Reply-To: <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> References: <1148314063.5168.4.camel@localhost> <1148387730.19301.22.camel@greebo> <1148406054.5009.24.camel@localhost> <1148456225.19301.38.camel@greebo> <1148486395.4735.26.camel@greebo> <1148499503.5171.7.camel@localhost> <1148904283.16920.11.camel@greebo> <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-OBWowAwOL3MMyW2FiPT8" Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 23:08:31 +0200 Message-Id: <1149455311.15249.18.camel@zdra-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.005 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.475, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_NEUTRAL=1.069] X-Spam-Score: -2.005 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" , David Zeuthen Subject: Re: [PATCH] computer:/// should display all drives, not only user-visible ones X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 21:08:44 -0000 --=-OBWowAwOL3MMyW2FiPT8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Le jeudi 01 juin 2006 =C3=A0 10:19 +0200, Alexander Larsson a =C3=A9crit : > On Wed, 2006-05-31 at 18:36 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: > > Hi, > >=20 > > Any reason this is not on the list? Also, please use my david@fubar.dk > > email address since that's what I'm using for GNOME stuff. >=20 > I dunno, it got removed at some point. I'm adding it back. >=20 > > On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 14:04 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > > On Wed, 2006-05-24 at 21:38 +0200, Xavier Claessens wrote: > > > > Le mercredi 24 mai 2006 =C3=A0 17:59 +0200, Alexander Larsson a =C3= =A9crit : > > > > > Here is the thing. I don't expect there to be a GnomeVFSDrive for > > > > > the /home volume (which i assume is a normal mountpoint on anothe= r > > > > > partition). We should only have drive objects for real removable = media > > > > > mountpoints. > > > >=20 > > > > I join a simple program I made which lists all your drives and volu= mes > > > > and says if they are user visible. It's what helped me understand h= ow > > > > GnomeVFS works :-) > > >=20 > > > This seems to be a bug in the hal version of the monitoring. We're no= t > > > supposed to be creating drive objects for all harddrives in the syste= m. > > > A Drive is supposed to be something you can insert a removable volume > > > in, like a cdrom reader, a floppy reader, or a usb card reader. On my > > > system hal creates a drive for e.g. /mnt/hdb1 which is a normal ext3 > > > filesystem mounted at roottime and not user-mountable. This shouldn't > > > only exist in the volume monitor as a non-user_visible volume, not as= a > > > drive. This used to be papered over in computer:// since the volumes = for > > > the drives were always mounted and not user-visible, so they got > > > hidden.=20 > > >=20 > > > David, I don't really know the hal stuff. Could you look into this? > >=20 > > So I'm not really sure why we want this difference you are describing. > > In fact I'd argue that we indeed want to show volumes from e.g. the > > internal hard disk for e.g. your Windows and OS X partitions.=20 > >=20 > > And this indeed requires a GnomeVFSDrive because the partition may not > > be mounted and we only have a GnomeVFSVolume for a GnomeVFSDrive when > > the partition the GnomeVFSDrive represents is actually mounted (that's > > my understanding of the how Gnome VFS works). >=20 > The initial design for drives was to represent devices that use > removable media (such as cdrom drives, floppy drives, usb card readers, > etc). For these devices the operations on the device are "natural" to > the user. Its true that one can also view them as just "possible > mountpoints for volumes", which means you could have a drive for your > OSX or windows partition. However, when you expose this in the UI you > suddenly turn a very explicit obvious hardware mapping into a way to > expose the much more vague and complicated unix operation of "mounting a > filesystem". I.E. you remove the mapping from icons in the UI to > hardware units you can put stuff into. >=20 > If you take the view of a non-unix person (i.e. one unaware of the > details of mountpoints etc) using a Gnome desktop with a separate HD > you have basically three cases. Either the partition is mounted, the > user is allowed to mount the partition, or the user isn't allowed to > mount the partition. In the first case we clearly should show a volume > icon, and in the last case i argue that we should never show a drive > icon (it would do nothing but confuse people).=20 >=20 > The question is what to in the second case. In an ideal desktop system I > don't think that state really is very useful. What non-sysadmin-related > use would you have for not mounting that volume if you are allowed to > mount it anyway? In the case on a non-ideal unix system the question > gets complicated and turns into a question about whether the mountpoint > is an "internal implementation detail" of the filesystem mount tree or > not, and this becomes very similar to the question whether to expand > symlinks or not (don't expand /home to /mnt/hdb/home, but expand > ~/Desktop/music to ~/Documents/MyMusic). Some cases are simple, you > never want to display /, /proc, /sys, /dev/pts, /boot, etc. However, for > others things are not so easy. I have for instance /mnt/hdb1 on my > system where i have symlinks like /opt -> /mnt/hdb1/opt. I wouldn't want > to display this. >=20 > Whether to show such drives or not is clearly a complicated, > system-dependent issue and should be solved in the lower layers, and not > solved in each app using gnome-vfs. >=20 > The change that resulted in this being an acute problem was that we > decided to hide drives that support auto-mount in all places but > computer:// by using the is_user_visible flag of the drive. Doing this > means that flag is used for that and can't also be used to flag whether > a drive is "internal" or not. I think just not having drive objects for > internal mountpoints is the easiest solution to this. >=20 > > So I think what you want is to hide is exactly volumes that are mounted > > on traditional FHS mount points, e.g. /, /usr. I can't see why we shoul= d > > enforce this policy in Gnome VFS when the bits above (e.g. Nautilus, > > Filechooser) can handle this much better? >=20 > I don't understand how you think nautilus can handle this better?=20 >=20 I think we can't do everything with only an user_visible flag. There is 2 different concepts: first the user_visible itself which should be used to hide partition's drives and other useless drives, second the auto-mountable property. I suggest to make something like: gboolean gnome_vfs_drive_is_auto_mountable (GnomeVFSDrive*); Like that we display all user_visible drives in computer:/// (including unmounted cdroms) but we only show user_visible && !auto_moutable drive in nautilus's place sidebar. I don't know how will GtkFileChooser work with that, because it should so see the auto_mount flag and hide automountable drives... Currently it seems that it follows the user_visible flag, at least when using gnomeVFS backend. I you are OK with this idea I can make patches for GnomeVFS/Nautilus 2.15.x For the other problem, which is computer:/// doesn't handle multi-volume drives, what about just updating the drive's icon when the first volume comes (like now in most cases) and if we get more volumes we add files like I did in my first patch. What do you think about that ? Xavier Claessens. --=-OBWowAwOL3MMyW2FiPT8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Ceci est une partie de message =?ISO-8859-1?Q?num=E9riquement?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_sign=E9e?= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEg0vO6dEBUn2qPAMRAvTuAJ9ntPlAFivY6fFkxmdvJcY47+BPFgCfU8uo 02AtDX37Xa3rjeu3Tck07hg= =Mgs1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-OBWowAwOL3MMyW2FiPT8-- From xclaesse@gmail.com Sun Jun 4 17:19:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 373613B0311 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11487-02 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outmx006.isp.belgacom.be (outmx006.isp.belgacom.be [195.238.4.99]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A36623B01B7 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outmx006.isp.belgacom.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outmx006.isp.belgacom.be (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Skynet-OUT-2.22) with ESMTP id k54LJTW9004701 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 23:19:30 +0200 (envelope-from ) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (85-212.242.81.adsl.skynet.be [81.242.212.85]) by outmx006.isp.belgacom.be (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Skynet-OUT-2.22) with ESMTP id k54LJQOB004670 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 23:19:27 +0200 (envelope-from ) From: Xavier Claessens To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-H/k/fxPKXIxMmyFvNdyr" Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 23:19:26 +0200 Message-Id: <1149455967.15249.30.camel@zdra-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.003 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.473, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_NEUTRAL=1.069] X-Spam-Score: -2.003 X-Spam-Level: Subject: volume-unmounted signal on GnomeVFSDrive X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 21:19:35 -0000 --=-H/k/fxPKXIxMmyFvNdyr Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, As I understand the "volume-unmounted" signal is emitted before the volume unmounted is really removed from the drive. So in the callback, if we run gnome_vfs_drive_get_mounted_volumes() it will return a GList still containing the unmounted GnomeVFSVolume. I think it should be very useful to have a callback after everything is done. For example in nautilus'places sidebar when we get the "volume-unmounted" callback we can't update the sidebar yet because the drive still has the volume connected... so we add a g_idle_add() to have a callback after everything is done and then we can update the sidebar. I think that's more a workaround than a real solution. What about adding in GnomeVFSDrive and GnomeVFSVolumeMonitor a "volume-post-unmount" callback (we already have a "volume-pre-unmount" cb) ? I you are OK with the idea I can make a patch. Xavier Claessens. --=-H/k/fxPKXIxMmyFvNdyr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Ceci est une partie de message =?ISO-8859-1?Q?num=E9riquement?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_sign=E9e?= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEg05e6dEBUn2qPAMRArR9AKCAmWMgqHE/lg5Ub8z2UhNQafssNgCffgDr h5y25qZ9aTpyf3qPuFAFv0w= =yGzq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-H/k/fxPKXIxMmyFvNdyr-- From keni4i@yahoo.com Sun Jun 4 15:51:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BB533B017A for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 15:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07508-01 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 15:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web61323.mail.yahoo.com (web61323.mail.yahoo.com [209.73.179.77]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 530A33B0101 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 15:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 83293 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jun 2006 19:51:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=prZjog0TXPnF+wlE8LBjO9ySalKcONTauN625ePWqsxA6/eYIQZOrZWunGBSRW20iSnr/iiWsHPBFthOeIqLOsLexDW7T3aTYgwjucP/yQ1qjDWlisdhLiDAzsEwmX8lzYFi+yno63B1RiIoGz7A13QEW8nvwxcZyJ8QEYBNRec= ; Message-ID: <20060604195153.83291.qmail@web61323.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.100.226.12] by web61323.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 12:51:53 PDT Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 12:51:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Ken Ishii To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.119 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.767, BAYES_50=0.001, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447] X-Spam-Score: -0.119 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 18:29:01 -0400 Subject: gnome_vfs_uri_hash() bug? X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 19:51:57 -0000 gnome_vfs_uri_hash() has the following code section: for (uri_p = uri; uri_p != NULL; uri_p = uri_p->parent) { HASH_STRING (hash_value, uri_p->text); HASH_STRING (hash_value, uri_p->method_string); if (uri_p->parent != NULL) { const GnomeVFSToplevelURI *toplevel; toplevel = (const GnomeVFSToplevelURI *) uri_p; Since GnomeVFSToplevelURI is defined to be an URI without a parent, shouldn't if (uri_p->parent != NULL) be if (uri_p->parent == NULL) instead? Ken Ishii __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From david@fubar.dk Mon Jun 5 17:57:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E8BB3B0625 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 17:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02934-09 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 17:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from davidz.fubar.dk (unknown [208.184.5.49]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 264F33B03A0 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 17:57:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.115] (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by davidz.fubar.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id C71269CE06B; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 17:56:59 -0400 (EDT) From: David Zeuthen To: Alexander Larsson In-Reply-To: <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> References: <1148314063.5168.4.camel@localhost> <1148387730.19301.22.camel@greebo> <1148406054.5009.24.camel@localhost> <1148456225.19301.38.camel@greebo> <1148486395.4735.26.camel@greebo> <1148499503.5171.7.camel@localhost> <1148904283.16920.11.camel@greebo> <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 17:58:06 -0400 Message-Id: <1149544687.5951.56.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.2.1 (2.7.2.1-4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.567 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.032, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.567 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: [PATCH] computer:/// should display all drives, not only user-visible ones X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:57:05 -0000 Hi, Sorry for the late reply, On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 10:19 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > So I'm not really sure why we want this difference you are describing. > > In fact I'd argue that we indeed want to show volumes from e.g. the > > internal hard disk for e.g. your Windows and OS X partitions. > > > > And this indeed requires a GnomeVFSDrive because the partition may not > > be mounted and we only have a GnomeVFSVolume for a GnomeVFSDrive when > > the partition the GnomeVFSDrive represents is actually mounted (that's > > my understanding of the how Gnome VFS works). > > The initial design for drives was to represent devices that use > removable media (such as cdrom drives, floppy drives, usb card readers, > etc). For these devices the operations on the device are "natural" to > the user. Its true that one can also view them as just "possible > mountpoints for volumes", which means you could have a drive for your > OSX or windows partition. However, when you expose this in the UI you > suddenly turn a very explicit obvious hardware mapping into a way to > expose the much more vague and complicated unix operation of "mounting a > filesystem". I.E. you remove the mapping from icons in the UI to > hardware units you can put stuff into. As a user I'm not really sure there is a huge difference between "Macintosh HD" and "1GB Compact Flash media". Both contains files I'm interested in using, I don't care where they come from. > If you take the view of a non-unix person (i.e. one unaware of the > details of mountpoints etc) using a Gnome desktop with a separate HD > you have basically three cases. Either the partition is mounted, the > user is allowed to mount the partition, or the user isn't allowed to > mount the partition. In the first case we clearly should show a volume > icon, and in the last case i argue that we should never show a drive > icon (it would do nothing but confuse people). > > The question is what to in the second case. In an ideal desktop system I > don't think that state really is very useful. What non-sysadmin-related > use would you have for not mounting that volume if you are allowed to > mount it anyway? In the case on a non-ideal unix system the question > gets complicated and turns into a question about whether the mountpoint > is an "internal implementation detail" of the filesystem mount tree or > not, and this becomes very similar to the question whether to expand > symlinks or not (don't expand /home to /mnt/hdb/home, but expand > ~/Desktop/music to ~/Documents/MyMusic). Some cases are simple, you > never want to display /, /proc, /sys, /dev/pts, /boot, etc. However, for > others things are not so easy. I have for instance /mnt/hdb1 on my > system where i have symlinks like /opt -> /mnt/hdb1/opt. I wouldn't want > to display this. > > Whether to show such drives or not is clearly a complicated, > system-dependent issue and should be solved in the lower layers, and not > solved in each app using gnome-vfs. > > The change that resulted in this being an acute problem was that we > decided to hide drives that support auto-mount in all places but > computer:// by using the is_user_visible flag of the drive. Doing this > means that flag is used for that and can't also be used to flag whether > a drive is "internal" or not. I think just not having drive objects for > internal mountpoints is the easiest solution to this. Well, the reality is that lots of people dual or triple boot and they have files they care about on the Macintosh and Windows hard drives. And I don't think it's uncommon at all to attach removable drives formatted with e.g. HFS+ or NTFS. If security (we can't let the user automatically get full read access to e.g. an hfs+ fs on the Mac harddisk) and availability of file system driver code (NTFS write support is still not widely available) wasn't a concern this would be easy; we'd simply automount these with uid=500 and be done with it. We want this such that the user can access his files in e.g. /Users/davidz which has a different uid on the Mac OS X system (such as uid=1000). However, things are a lot more complicated. For example, if you have full write access (like when you mount with uid=500) to the root partition of another operating system as an unprivileged user (with uid=500) you can essentially change the password database on that fs and, bingo, what was previously a secure system before you put Linux (or whatever on it) now has issues. There's also things like EAL [1] that is important, e.g. we should be able to totally lock down the system such that you can't use it for anything, not even access your removable media. Surely, in this situation, we want to still show to the user that he got a card reader plugged in but that the organizational policy of his employer (or whatever) prevents him from using it. Perhaps, in the name of usability, we might give him a button titled "Request permission to use device" (would file a request to the IT department) when he clicks it or, if it's an administrator, he can put in his password or authenticate in other ways. This is where usability and security meets, fighting each other like cats and dogs. Can you see the dilemma? Like it or not, this is from the real world [2] and bills like Sarbanes-Oxley etc. don't make this *any* easier. This is why I started PolicyKit. PolicyKit and gnome-mount will help solve this problem though not in a very elegant way [3] but it will provide a "one-time-click" "solution" to the problem. Some might say the user looses here (just look at the recent Microsoft Vista reviews where the user is bombarded with dialogs) but we're still left with the dilemma mentioned above. And we do want (I believe) GNOME to be a viable contender on the desktop and that means we need to support lock-down and things like EAL and Sarbanes-Oxley. Just as we want it to work for home users who just wants to access that movie on the NTFS or hfs+ partition from his home directory on "that other operating system". The approach taken by PolicyKit and gnome-mount is best compromise I've come up with so far. I'm not convinced it's perfect though, and I haven't had time to complete it yet though things are slowly moving forward. So what am I trying to say? I'm trying to say it makes sense to show all drives and their mountable file systems notwithstanding the user might be allowed to access them. Because if they're not privileged they should at least get a chance to see the drive is there (otherwise you get "My drive didn't show up! Is the computer broken?") along with an explanation why they can't access it maybe even with a possibility to auth for access. > > So I think what you want is to hide is exactly volumes that are mounted > > on traditional FHS mount points, e.g. /, /usr. I can't see why we should > > enforce this policy in Gnome VFS when the bits above (e.g. Nautilus, > > Filechooser) can handle this much better? > > I don't understand how you think nautilus can handle this better? Agreed, yea, probably GNOME VFS would know best. David [1] : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evaluation_Assurance_Level [2] : http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20040916.html Search for "epoxy". [3] : See http://people.freedesktop.org/~david/perm-override/gnome-mount-perm-override-1.png http://people.freedesktop.org/~david/perm-override/gnome-mount-perm-override-2.png From alexl@redhat.com Wed Jun 7 02:58:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 730983B0342 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:58:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20729-09 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C47583B01B2 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:58:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k576wSRX026164; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:58:28 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k576wNdo031791; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:58:23 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k576wMrc020424; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:58:23 -0400 From: Alexander Larsson To: David Zeuthen In-Reply-To: <1149544687.5951.56.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> References: <1148314063.5168.4.camel@localhost> <1148387730.19301.22.camel@greebo> <1148406054.5009.24.camel@localhost> <1148456225.19301.38.camel@greebo> <1148486395.4735.26.camel@greebo> <1148499503.5171.7.camel@localhost> <1148904283.16920.11.camel@greebo> <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> <1149544687.5951.56.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 08:58:24 +0200 Message-Id: <1149663504.5416.123.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.587 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.587 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: [PATCH] computer:/// should display all drives, not only user-visible ones X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 06:58:31 -0000 On Mon, 2006-06-05 at 17:58 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: > So what am I trying to say? I'm trying to say it makes sense to show all > drives and their mountable file systems notwithstanding the user might > be allowed to access them. Because if they're not privileged they should > at least get a chance to see the drive is there (otherwise you get "My > drive didn't show up! Is the computer broken?") along with an > explanation why they can't access it maybe even with a possibility to > auth for access. I don't really follow your reasoning fully. I agree that users want to see their OSX and/or windows mounts from linux, but I think you over-empasize the "single user, dual boot, home desktop" usecase. In the case of more traditional sysadmined unix setups (at universities and whatnot) you'll have a bunch of bizzare mountpoints (nfs mounts, autofs mounts, tmpfs, /usr, /home, extra drives/partitions, etc). If we were to show all these, then I think things would look pretty confusing. I really think we need to hide a bunch of mountpoints. Some mountpoints can probably be hardcoded (like /proc, /tmp/, /home, /opt/*, /usr, and /boot), but we can never think of all possibilities, so we should probably have a way to mark them. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a benighted playboy dog-catcher whom everyone believes is mad. She's a sarcastic extravagent former first lady from a family of eight older brothers. They fight crime! From xclaesse@gmail.com Wed Jun 7 08:51:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 546413B0B28 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:51:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13070-01 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outmx007.isp.belgacom.be (outmx007.isp.belgacom.be [195.238.5.234]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A19F93B03C4 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outmx007.isp.belgacom.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outmx007.isp.belgacom.be (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Skynet-OUT-2.22) with ESMTP id k57Cow2U030006 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:51:03 +0200 (envelope-from ) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (68-220.242.81.adsl.skynet.be [81.242.220.68]) by outmx007.isp.belgacom.be (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Skynet-OUT-2.22) with ESMTP id k57CovMd029978; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:50:57 +0200 (envelope-from ) From: Xavier Claessens To: Alexander Larsson In-Reply-To: <1149663504.5416.123.camel@greebo> References: <1148314063.5168.4.camel@localhost> <1148387730.19301.22.camel@greebo> <1148406054.5009.24.camel@localhost> <1148456225.19301.38.camel@greebo> <1148486395.4735.26.camel@greebo> <1148499503.5171.7.camel@localhost> <1148904283.16920.11.camel@greebo> <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> <1149544687.5951.56.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149663504.5416.123.camel@greebo> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-hOGtOF5lpypbLjK1X4t7" Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:51:08 +0200 Message-Id: <1149684668.5095.1.camel@zdra-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.471, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_NEUTRAL=1.069] X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" , David Zeuthen Subject: Re: [PATCH] computer:/// should display all drives, not only user-visible ones X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:51:14 -0000 --=-hOGtOF5lpypbLjK1X4t7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Le mercredi 07 juin 2006 =C3=A0 08:58 +0200, Alexander Larsson a =C3=A9crit= : > On Mon, 2006-06-05 at 17:58 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: >=20 > > So what am I trying to say? I'm trying to say it makes sense to show al= l > > drives and their mountable file systems notwithstanding the user might > > be allowed to access them. Because if they're not privileged they shoul= d > > at least get a chance to see the drive is there (otherwise you get "My > > drive didn't show up! Is the computer broken?") along with an > > explanation why they can't access it maybe even with a possibility to > > auth for access. >=20 > I don't really follow your reasoning fully. I agree that users want to > see their OSX and/or windows mounts from linux, but I think you > over-empasize the "single user, dual boot, home desktop" usecase. In the > case of more traditional sysadmined unix setups (at universities and > whatnot) you'll have a bunch of bizzare mountpoints (nfs mounts, autofs > mounts, tmpfs, /usr, /home, extra drives/partitions, etc).=20 >=20 > If we were to show all these, then I think things would look pretty > confusing. I really think we need to hide a bunch of mountpoints. Some > mountpoints can probably be hardcoded > (like /proc, /tmp/, /home, /opt/*, /usr, and /boot), but we can never > think of all possibilities, so we should probably have a way to mark > them. >=20 We should only display "/media/*" and "/mnt/*" Xavier. --=-hOGtOF5lpypbLjK1X4t7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Ceci est une partie de message =?ISO-8859-1?Q?num=E9riquement?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_sign=E9e?= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEhsu76dEBUn2qPAMRApRBAJwNCLBuPyxCtkh0sIbICQBqpRGDFACfaN00 Kc9Uz6ZIjQ4wxsbbHO74ZG0= =Wmaq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-hOGtOF5lpypbLjK1X4t7-- From tomasek@ebed.etf.cuni.cz Wed Jun 7 08:55:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 864A63B0C97 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13300-04 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ebed.etf.cuni.cz (ebed.etf.cuni.cz [195.113.5.3]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E66983B03C4 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ebed.etf.cuni.cz (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ebed.etf.cuni.cz (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k57ChDPX029737 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:43:13 +0200 Received: (from tomasek@localhost) by ebed.etf.cuni.cz (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Submit) id k57ChDrV029735 for gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:43:13 +0200 Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:43:13 +0200 From: Petr Tomasek To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20060607124313.GA29329@ebed.etf.cuni.cz> References: <1148456225.19301.38.camel@greebo> <1148486395.4735.26.camel@greebo> <1148499503.5171.7.camel@localhost> <1148904283.16920.11.camel@greebo> <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> <1149544687.5951.56.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149663504.5416.123.camel@greebo> <1149684668.5095.1.camel@zdra-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1149684668.5095.1.camel@zdra-desktop> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Homepage: http://www.etf.cuni.cz/~tomasek/ X-Echelon: bomb Arafat Intifada bus kach drugs mafia boss heroin spy Semtex Saddam Al-Qaida Usama bin Ladin Bush Sharon X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.535 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.064, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.535 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: [PATCH] computer:/// should display all drives, not only user-visible ones X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:55:00 -0000 > > I don't really follow your reasoning fully. I agree that users want to > > see their OSX and/or windows mounts from linux, but I think you > > over-empasize the "single user, dual boot, home desktop" usecase. In the > > case of more traditional sysadmined unix setups (at universities and > > whatnot) you'll have a bunch of bizzare mountpoints (nfs mounts, autofs > > mounts, tmpfs, /usr, /home, extra drives/partitions, etc). > > > > If we were to show all these, then I think things would look pretty > > confusing. I really think we need to hide a bunch of mountpoints. Some > > mountpoints can probably be hardcoded > > (like /proc, /tmp/, /home, /opt/*, /usr, and /boot), but we can never > > think of all possibilities, so we should probably have a way to mark > > them. > > > > We should only display "/media/*" and "/mnt/*" > > Xavier. Please, let it be configurable! There are people who prefer mounting media under "/" (like "/cdrom", etc.) P.T. -- Petr Tomasek From david@fubar.dk Wed Jun 7 09:42:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 565EE3B03C1 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:42:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17395-02 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:42:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from davidz.fubar.dk (unknown [208.184.5.49]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8057D3B0229 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:42:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.115] (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by davidz.fubar.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CDC19CE06F; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:42:47 -0400 (EDT) From: David Zeuthen To: Xavier Claessens In-Reply-To: <1149684668.5095.1.camel@zdra-desktop> References: <1148314063.5168.4.camel@localhost> <1148387730.19301.22.camel@greebo> <1148406054.5009.24.camel@localhost> <1148456225.19301.38.camel@greebo> <1148486395.4735.26.camel@greebo> <1148499503.5171.7.camel@localhost> <1148904283.16920.11.camel@greebo> <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> <1149544687.5951.56.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149663504.5416.123.camel@greebo> <1149684668.5095.1.camel@zdra-desktop> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 09:43:54 -0400 Message-Id: <1149687834.2424.24.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.2.1 (2.7.2.1-4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.57 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.029, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.57 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" , Alexander Larsson Subject: Re: [PATCH] computer:/// should display all drives, not only user-visible ones X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:42:51 -0000 On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 14:51 +0200, Xavier Claessens wrote: > > I don't really follow your reasoning fully. I agree that users want to > > see their OSX and/or windows mounts from linux, but I think you > > over-empasize the "single user, dual boot, home desktop" usecase. In the > > case of more traditional sysadmined unix setups (at universities and > > whatnot) you'll have a bunch of bizzare mountpoints (nfs mounts, autofs > > mounts, tmpfs, /usr, /home, extra drives/partitions, etc). > > > > If we were to show all these, then I think things would look pretty > > confusing. I really think we need to hide a bunch of mountpoints. Some > > mountpoints can probably be hardcoded > > (like /proc, /tmp/, /home, /opt/*, /usr, and /boot), but we can never > > think of all possibilities, so we should probably have a way to mark > > them. Yea, of course we should hide such bizarre mount points. My point was merely we ought to show drives/mounts even if the user is not privileged to mount them. > > > > We should only display "/media/*" and "/mnt/*" Yup, that's one option, maybe just resort to showing entries from /media then alexl's /mnt/hdb1 drive won't be shown (and if alexl wants it to be shown he can move the mount point to /media). Personally I think we should just hide all the directories and subdirs as defined by FHS2.3. We do that here http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/gnome-vfs/libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-hal-mounts.c?view=markup in function _hal_volume_policy_check() though I'm unsure whether this code is used at the moment (will look into that). David From alexl@redhat.com Fri Jun 9 07:20:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF0E53B0097 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18633-05 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AB843B011C for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59BJwQm005302; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:19:58 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59BJwLZ006488; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:19:58 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59BJvoV024293; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:19:57 -0400 From: Alexander Larsson To: David Zeuthen In-Reply-To: <1149687834.2424.24.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> References: <1148314063.5168.4.camel@localhost> <1148387730.19301.22.camel@greebo> <1148406054.5009.24.camel@localhost> <1148456225.19301.38.camel@greebo> <1148486395.4735.26.camel@greebo> <1148499503.5171.7.camel@localhost> <1148904283.16920.11.camel@greebo> <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> <1149544687.5951.56.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149663504.5416.123.camel@greebo> <1149684668.5095.1.camel@zdra-desktop> <1149687834.2424.24.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 13:19:57 +0200 Message-Id: <1149851997.3023.51.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.587 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.587 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: [PATCH] computer:/// should display all drives, not only user-visible ones X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 11:20:05 -0000 On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 09:43 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 14:51 +0200, Xavier Claessens wrote: > > > I don't really follow your reasoning fully. I agree that users want to > > > see their OSX and/or windows mounts from linux, but I think you > > > over-empasize the "single user, dual boot, home desktop" usecase. In the > > > case of more traditional sysadmined unix setups (at universities and > > > whatnot) you'll have a bunch of bizzare mountpoints (nfs mounts, autofs > > > mounts, tmpfs, /usr, /home, extra drives/partitions, etc). > > > > > > If we were to show all these, then I think things would look pretty > > > confusing. I really think we need to hide a bunch of mountpoints. Some > > > mountpoints can probably be hardcoded > > > (like /proc, /tmp/, /home, /opt/*, /usr, and /boot), but we can never > > > think of all possibilities, so we should probably have a way to mark > > > them. > > Yea, of course we should hide such bizarre mount points. My point was > merely we ought to show drives/mounts even if the user is not privileged > to mount them. > > > > > > > > We should only display "/media/*" and "/mnt/*" > > Yup, that's one option, maybe just resort to showing entries from /media > then alexl's /mnt/hdb1 drive won't be shown (and if alexl wants it to be > shown he can move the mount point to /media). Personally I think we > should just hide all the directories and subdirs as defined by FHS2.3. > We do that here > > http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/gnome-vfs/libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-hal-mounts.c?view=markup > > in function _hal_volume_policy_check() though I'm unsure whether this > code is used at the moment (will look into that). Well, the bug report: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341446 showed drives for things like / and /home. So something is going wrong here. I see a _hal_drive_policy_check that is empty though. Anyway, what i think we should do is: Have a policy for what mountpoints to create drives for. Be it by blacklisting or whitelisting. If the policy says the mountpoint shouldn't have a drive then we don't even create one. Set is_user_visible to false on drives that support auto-mounting, so we can hide them everywhere but in computer:///. I think blacklisting will probably work well enough, but you probably need to add more stuff than just the toplevel FHS mountpoints, for instance /dev/shmem and common non-linux mountpoints. Also, it looks like you create drives based on currently mounted volumes that are not in fstab? This will generate a bunch of drives when using things like autofs for separate /home/ mountpoints and cause things like /proc/bus/usb to get drives. Does it ever make sense to create a drive object for a volume like this? It'll only live as long as the volume and you can't really use it for anything. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a time-tossed coffee-fuelled inventor on his last day in the job. She's a warm-hearted mutant research scientist from a different time and place. They fight crime! From alexl@redhat.com Fri Jun 9 07:21:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A75453B0121 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:21:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18661-08 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:21:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 573C53B006A for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:21:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59BLiIX005951; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:21:44 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59BLiWa006890; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:21:44 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59BLh8I024410; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:21:44 -0400 From: Alexander Larsson To: Ken Ishii In-Reply-To: <20060604195153.83291.qmail@web61323.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060604195153.83291.qmail@web61323.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 13:21:43 +0200 Message-Id: <1149852104.3023.53.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.587 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.587 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: gnome_vfs_uri_hash() bug? X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 11:21:46 -0000 On Sun, 2006-06-04 at 12:51 -0700, Ken Ishii wrote: > gnome_vfs_uri_hash() has the following code section: > > for (uri_p = uri; uri_p != NULL; uri_p = uri_p->parent) { > HASH_STRING (hash_value, uri_p->text); > HASH_STRING (hash_value, uri_p->method_string); > > if (uri_p->parent != NULL) { > const GnomeVFSToplevelURI *toplevel; > > toplevel = (const GnomeVFSToplevelURI *) uri_p; > > Since GnomeVFSToplevelURI is defined to be an URI without a parent, > shouldn't > if (uri_p->parent != NULL) > be > if (uri_p->parent == NULL) > instead? Yeah. That looks wrong. I'm fixing it in cvs. Thanks. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's an old-fashioned white trash romance novelist She's a bloodthirsty Buddhist bodyguard prone to fits of savage, blood-crazed rage. They fight crime! From alexl@redhat.com Mon Jun 12 05:38:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 296D33B00A7 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28453-10 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A0A33B008D for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5C9bL45019802; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:37:21 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5C9bG0T011686; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:37:16 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5C9bF3C014485; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:37:15 -0400 From: Alexander Larsson To: Xavier Claessens In-Reply-To: <1149455967.15249.30.camel@zdra-desktop> References: <1149455967.15249.30.camel@zdra-desktop> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:37:15 +0200 Message-Id: <1150105036.3023.95.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.587 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.587 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: volume-unmounted signal on GnomeVFSDrive X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:38:16 -0000 On Sun, 2006-06-04 at 23:19 +0200, Xavier Claessens wrote: > Hello, > > As I understand the "volume-unmounted" signal is emitted before the > volume unmounted is really removed from the drive. So in the callback, > if we run gnome_vfs_drive_get_mounted_volumes() it will return a GList > still containing the unmounted GnomeVFSVolume. > > I think it should be very useful to have a callback after everything is > done. For example in nautilus'places sidebar when we get the > "volume-unmounted" callback we can't update the sidebar yet because the > drive still has the volume connected... so we add a g_idle_add() to have > a callback after everything is done and then we can update the sidebar. > > I think that's more a workaround than a real solution. What about adding > in GnomeVFSDrive and GnomeVFSVolumeMonitor a "volume-post-unmount" > callback (we already have a "volume-pre-unmount" cb) ? > > I you are OK with the idea I can make a patch. You could just look at gnome_vfs_volume_is_mounted() in the volume-unmounted call and ignore things that are not mounted. We do set is_mounted before emitting the signal for things like this. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a deeply religious umbrella-wielding astronaut looking for a cure to the poison coursing through his veins. She's a green-fingered snooty femme fatale who can talk to animals. They fight crime! From alexl@redhat.com Mon Jun 12 06:12:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 084B93B0078 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:12:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29802-04 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BF913B009D for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5C9TFho017434; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:29:15 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5C9TF93010182; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:29:15 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5C9TEb4013434; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:29:14 -0400 From: Alexander Larsson To: Christian Neumair In-Reply-To: <1149010547.5256.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1149010547.5256.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:29:14 +0200 Message-Id: <1150104554.3023.93.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.549 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.025, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_FD=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.549 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" , Ken Ishii Subject: Re: Proposed (unfinished) ZIP module available on Bugzilla X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:12:18 -0000 On Tue, 2006-05-30 at 19:35 +0200, Christian Neumair wrote: > Dear GnomeVFS development community, > > as requested by Ken Ishii who needs a ZIP module, I'm publishing a > prelimitary version of a GnomeVFS ZIP module in Bugzilla [1]. People who > are interested in development should check out the bug report and help > out :). > > [1] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343419 It seems this uncompresses the file on open and then reads from that. I think this is the right approach, but there are some tricks you could use to make this nicer. What you do is create the uncompressed temp files (in /tmp) and then unlink the file, keeping the file descriptor around. This means the file is not visible in the filesystem, but the data for it is kept around until the last fd referencing it is closed. You store this fd in a cache, and then use dup() to get a new independent file descriptor to the file in do_open(). When the app is closed the kernel will close all fds and deallocate the filesystem space. So, doing things this way means you'll never leak tempfiles. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a lounge-singing albino vampire hunter who knows the secret of the alien invasion. She's a virginal punk traffic cop with an MBA from Harvard. They fight crime! From mclasen@redhat.com Mon Jun 12 22:40:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BAD63B0009 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07590-05 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3251E3B000C for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5D2MFId000486 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:22:15 -0400 Received: from lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (lacrosse.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.154]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5D2MFG6018613 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:22:15 -0400 Received: from [172.16.83.145] (vpn83-145.boston.redhat.com [172.16.83.145]) by lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k5D2MEWJ003165 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:22:14 -0400 From: Matthias Clasen To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Red Hat Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:24:01 -0400 Message-Id: <1150165441.4081.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.2.1 (2.7.2.1-4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.541 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.060, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.541 X-Spam-Level: Subject: gnome-mime-data dependency X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 02:40:48 -0000 During some Fedora package work I noticed that gnome-vfs still pulls in gnome-mime-data, which seems to be old and unmaintained. Alex tells me that it is needed for some deprecated mime apis. I think it would be nice to get rid of that dependency in 2.16. Matthias From bosshrap@zhwin.ch Tue Jun 13 10:41:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D47B3B000C for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26639-07 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a.mx.projectdream.org (eth0-0.yuffie.projectdream.org [194.88.212.200]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2806B3B00A5 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.0.11] (d213-103-155-97.cust.tele2.ch [213.103.155.97]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by a.mx.projectdream.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD3548811A for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:40:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <448ECE64.9030800@zhwin.ch> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:40:36 +0200 From: Raphael Bosshard User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060612) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Subject: [PATCH] Display binary prefix filesizes instead of decimal prefix filesizes (344296) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000304070805010006040703" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 08:09:00 -0400 X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:41:32 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000304070805010006040703 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit See http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344296 This patch changes the human readable filesizes (gnome_vfs_format_file_size_for_display) which are curently displayed (rather missleading) with binary prefix multipliers (such as Kilo, Mega, Giga) to more appropriate binary prefix multipiers (Kibi, Mebi, Gibi). The IEC approved standard symbols (KiB, MiB, GiB) are used. For more information please read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix So long, Raphael --------------000304070805010006040703 Content-Type: text/x-patch; name="gnome-vfs-display-binary-prefix.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="gnome-vfs-display-binary-prefix.patch" --- gnome-vfs-2.14.2/libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-utils.c 2006-03-03 10:28:21.000000000 +0100 +++ gnome-vfs-2.14.2-work/libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-utils.c 2006-06-10 23:03:40.983116272 +0200 @@ -51,9 +51,9 @@ #include #include -#define KILOBYTE_FACTOR 1024.0 -#define MEGABYTE_FACTOR (1024.0 * 1024.0) -#define GIGABYTE_FACTOR (1024.0 * 1024.0 * 1024.0) +#define KIBIBYTE_FACTOR 1024.0 +#define MEBIBYTE_FACTOR (1024.0 * 1024.0) +#define GIBIBYTE_FACTORFACTOR (1024.0 * 1024.0 * 1024.0) #define READ_CHUNK_SIZE 8192 @@ -74,22 +74,22 @@ gchar* gnome_vfs_format_file_size_for_display (GnomeVFSFileSize size) { - if (size < (GnomeVFSFileSize) KILOBYTE_FACTOR) { + if (size < (GnomeVFSFileSize) KIBIBYTE_FACTOR) { return g_strdup_printf (dngettext(GETTEXT_PACKAGE, "%u byte", "%u bytes",(guint) size), (guint) size); } else { gdouble displayed_size; - if (size < (GnomeVFSFileSize) MEGABYTE_FACTOR) { - displayed_size = (gdouble) size / KILOBYTE_FACTOR; - return g_strdup_printf (_("%.1f KB"), + if (size < (GnomeVFSFileSize) MEBIBYTE_FACTOR) { + displayed_size = (gdouble) size / KIBIBYTE_FACTOR; + return g_strdup_printf (_("%.1f KiB"), displayed_size); - } else if (size < (GnomeVFSFileSize) GIGABYTE_FACTOR) { - displayed_size = (gdouble) size / MEGABYTE_FACTOR; - return g_strdup_printf (_("%.1f MB"), + } else if (size < (GnomeVFSFileSize) GIBIBYTE_FACTORFACTOR) { + displayed_size = (gdouble) size / MEBIBYTE_FACTOR; + return g_strdup_printf (_("%.1f MiB"), displayed_size); } else { - displayed_size = (gdouble) size / GIGABYTE_FACTOR; - return g_strdup_printf (_("%.1f GB"), + displayed_size = (gdouble) size / GIBIBYTE_FACTORFACTOR; + return g_strdup_printf (_("%.1f GiB"), displayed_size); } } --------------000304070805010006040703-- From alexl@redhat.com Sat Jun 17 04:58:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 361533B042A for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 04:58:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15153-02 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 04:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 676533B010F for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 04:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5H8vMS8009846; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 04:57:22 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5H8vMxp026394; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 04:57:22 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5H8vL4b023197; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 04:57:21 -0400 Subject: Re: [PATCH] Display binary prefix filesizes instead of decimal prefix filesizes (344296) From: Alexander Larsson To: Raphael Bosshard In-Reply-To: <448ECE64.9030800@zhwin.ch> References: <448ECE64.9030800@zhwin.ch> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 10:57:21 +0200 Message-Id: <1150534641.1962.19.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.588 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.013, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.588 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 08:58:04 -0000 On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 16:40 +0200, Raphael Bosshard wrote: > See http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344296 > > This patch changes the human readable filesizes > (gnome_vfs_format_file_size_for_display) which are curently displayed > (rather missleading) with binary prefix multipliers (such as Kilo, Mega, > Giga) to more appropriate binary prefix multipiers (Kibi, Mebi, Gibi). > The IEC approved standard symbols (KiB, MiB, GiB) are used. > > For more information please read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix This has already been denied in bugs like: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127175 Which references mails like: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-doc-list/2003-December/msg00004.html and the gnome docs style guides: http://developer.gnome.org/documents/style-guide/units.html For what its worth I very much agree with Patrick. The binary prefixes are silly and nobody but anal-retentive ultra-geeks will understand them, thus confusing the general userbase (who haven't seen them before). =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a sword-wielding pirate librarian searching for his wife's true killer. She's a time-travelling junkie Hell's Angel in the wrong place at the wrong time. They fight crime! From nf2@scheinwelt.at Sun Jun 18 18:55:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 462013B00AF; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 18:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12908-03; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 18:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx-01.sil.at (mx-01.sil.at [86.59.12.198]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 208EC3B00B2; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 18:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vie-062-116-122-020.dsl.sil.at ([62.116.122.20] helo=[192.168.5.82]) by mx-01.sil.at with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Fs69X-0004Oc-Kv; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 00:54:01 +0200 Message-ID: <4495D984.5090705@scheinwelt.at> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 00:53:56 +0200 From: nf2 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gtk-list@gnome.org, gnome vfs list Subject: libxdg-vfs and Gtk-Filechooser Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scan-Signature: 9d02a3267670e8bb77f537b38fda5a39 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.51 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.012, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_XD=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.51 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 22:55:34 -0000 Hi, The experimental "libxdg-vfs" provides a generic interface to VFS libraries. It tries to autodetect the current desktop and then connects to Gnome-VFS or KIO by launching the backend executables xdg_vfs_gnome or xdg_vfs_kde. http://www.scheinwelt.at/~norbertf/dadapt/files/xdg_utils/doc/libxdg-vfs.html The target of "libxdg-vfs" would be giving applications access to ftp/smb shares etc... Of course this also involves bringing VFS access to filechoosers. AFAIK Gtk-Filechooser has pluggable backends (GtkFilesystem). It would be interesting if it could also run on top of "libxdg-vfs". The problem is, that i couldn't find any documentation how to implement a GtkFilesystem module. Could you please give me an introduction and maybe tell me about the specific requirements for a GtkFilesystem? Perhaps i need to provide more functions through "libxdg-vfs": listing and mounting Volumes, obtaining icon-paths,... Regards, Norbert From chris@gnome-de.org Sun Jun 18 13:44:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 349513B00E5 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05823-10 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.bytecamp.net (mail.bytecamp.net [212.204.60.9]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E77BC3B0009 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:44:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 45357 invoked by uid 85); 18 Jun 2006 17:36:58 -0000 Received: from chris@gnome-de.org by mail.bytecamp.net by uid 88 with qmail-scanner-1.20 (clamscan: 0.88.1 Clear:RC:0(84.150.153.121):. Processed in 7.089351 secs); 18 Jun 2006 17:36:58 -0000 Received: from p54969979.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (HELO ?192.168.123.112?) (chris@gnome-de.org@84.150.153.121) by mail.bytecamp.net with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 18 Jun 2006 17:36:51 -0000 Subject: [PATCH] Improve docs, new attempt From: Christian Neumair To: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-4cYgbTZAmh2zlaadTQGz" Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 19:36:47 +0200 Message-Id: <1150652208.22660.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.586 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.013, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.586 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:27:21 -0400 X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 17:44:45 -0000 --=-4cYgbTZAmh2zlaadTQGz Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've spent some more hours on GnomeVFS docs and the Xfer docs should be in a way better shape now. I got commit permission for the last one already, but this one is significantly larger (240 kB, but including the tmpl/ regeneration garbage). -- Christian Neumair --=-4cYgbTZAmh2zlaadTQGz Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=gnome-vfs-doc-3.diff.gz Content-Type: application/x-gzip; name=gnome-vfs-doc-3.diff.gz Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 H4sICK2OlUQAA2dub21lLXZmcy1kb2MtMy5kaWZmAMw8a3PbOJKfrV+Bnd3aSpai9fQzTsqKLE90 40fWkjPJ1VWxaBKSuKZILUHK1v366wb4AB+gZHtuspkpmQQajW6g0Q+gibFn0+dTMlyY3pxe+fPG x7f/a9wNJ2TmuPSUtKw1a809f0nFr76esVbaWXPdCGgYOHTteHMSwB/m+B7p7Hf7/aOG7cxmRI+I viJ6IMokOnVdz972Oj3yX5FHuu32IekcnvaPTg/aRG/Dv70Ym6ZpMvyxBH902uucdjoCvnF+TvTO 8UnzkGj4p9Mm5+cN0uCweruvdw8IIAocFjqmR25otDSdgJAzC8vOBZc23feD+Sdopu39g7jOAy9G 3v9xSga2TZZ+QIntW9GSeqEZAtf7Da2hvaYPrUEKfaQjrduBs6b71il5x8sMKDN4mTFzPNN1/pe+ b0LzUq3lL1dmQN+f1uBemK6+9CMvZNBBYyzkCFhqXZuPFGd/31z+GdJU6FIpU52SRHWOiEwrSlQB 2d4xQGxw6g9Ip3fa7sP/qVh1hFAVm1SI1oEsWofNI5As/IXXyXBwY9x+nY5vbyYfdZjTVUAtM6S2 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gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E7D03B03FC for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05344-05 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D01C83B03EE for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:38:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [82.165.27.189] (helo=hora-obscura.de) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwh2-1FsSHG2Dgc-0000IG; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:31:26 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.hora-obscura.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48519878042; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:31:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.hora-obscura.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 768D4878023; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:31:19 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: [PATCH] Improve docs, new attempt From: Stefan Kost To: Christian Neumair In-Reply-To: <1150652208.22660.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1150652208.22660.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:30:37 +0300 Message-Id: <1150756237.15396.6.camel@fluffy.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at hora-obscura.de X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:8eea7ddcf9c0cceb26830fe517b7ade3 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.496 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.026, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_GT=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.496 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 22:38:50 -0000 Hi Christian, Am Sonntag, den 18.06.2006, 19:36 +0200 schrieb Christian Neumair: > I've spent some more hours on GnomeVFS docs and the Xfer docs should be > in a way better shape now. I got commit permission for the last one > already, but this one is significantly larger (240 kB, but including the > tmpl/ regeneration garbage). I strongly recommend to move all docs to the source files and remove the tmpl files from cvs totaly. If developers use different versions of gtk-doc, commiting partialy generated files such as the files under tmpl/ can often cause conflicts like those we know with po/*.po files. Besides developers will more likely update docs when they are close to the sources. In case you are not aware, even the section docs can be added to the sources (see the gtk-doc manual in yelp). Stefan From chipzz@ULYSSIS.Org Mon Jun 19 21:43:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 471F03B015D for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:43:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15440-03 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.240.42]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4EC63B00D9 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43E5F1D75E5 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:42:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp03.kuleuven.be (antonius.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.240.73]) by rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E13C1D75DF for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:42:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.be (ray.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.be [193.190.253.198]) by smtp03.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47261332762 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:42:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 30541 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2006 01:42:20 -0000 Received: from ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.be (HELO ace.ulyssis.org) (193.190.253.208) by smtp.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.be with SMTP; 20 Jun 2006 01:42:20 -0000 Received: by ace.ulyssis.org (Postfix, from userid 1275) id 050F92EFE4; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:42:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ace.ulyssis.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E85052EFE3; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:42:19 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:42:19 +0200 (CEST) From: Chipzz To: Christian Neumair Subject: Re: [PATCH] Improve docs, new attempt In-Reply-To: <1150652208.22660.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: References: <1150652208.22660.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by KULeuven Antivirus Cluster X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.419 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.045, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.419 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: Chipzz@ULYSSIS.Org List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:43:10 -0000 I only read about half of your patch, and not even all of it carefully, but here are a couple of suggestions: + * Either way, it acts like #GnomeVFSXferProgressCallback + * would act in non-asynchronous mode. The differences in + * invocation are explained in the gnome_vfs_async_xfer() + * documentation documentation. -> 2x documentation. + * @GNOME_VFS_FILE_TYPE_REGULAR: The file is regular (stat: %S_ISDIR). + * @GNOME_VFS_FILE_TYPE_DIRECTORY: The file is a directory (stat: %S_ISREG). -> "The file is a regular file" -> %S_ISDIR and %S_ISREG are swapped. + * @GNOME_VFS_PERM_USER_READ: Owner has read permission. etc... -> permission*s* ? + * @GNOME_VFS_PERM_OTHER_ALL: Others have all permissionss. -> permission*ss* ! + * @block_count: The size of the file in 512-byte blocks (a #GnomeVFSFileSize), -> I may be totally wrong here, but isn't this filesystem dependant? kr, On Sun, 18 Jun 2006, Christian Neumair wrote: > I've spent some more hours on GnomeVFS docs and the Xfer docs should be > in a way better shape now. I got commit permission for the last one > already, but this one is significantly larger (240 kB, but including the > tmpl/ regeneration garbage). Chipzz AKA Jan Van Buggenhout -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ UNIX isn't dead - It just smells funny Chipzz@ULYSSIS.Org ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Baldric, you wouldn't recognize a subtle plan if it painted itself pur- ple and danced naked on a harpsicord singing 'subtle plans are here a- gain'." From bosshrap@zhwin.ch Tue Jun 20 09:25:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A5FA3B01A8 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:25:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17592-03 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a.mx.projectdream.org (eth0-0.yuffie.projectdream.org [194.88.212.200]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 765663B017D for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dskt6433.zhwin.ch (dskt6433.zhwin.ch [160.85.162.206]) by a.mx.projectdream.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 048688803B; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:24:23 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: [PATCH] Display binary prefix filesizes instead of decimal prefix filesizes (344296) From: Raphael Bosshard To: Alexander Larsson In-Reply-To: <1150534641.1962.19.camel@greebo> References: <448ECE64.9030800@zhwin.ch> <1150534641.1962.19.camel@greebo> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:24:20 +0200 Message-Id: <1150809860.15905.28.camel@numenor> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.11 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11] X-Spam-Score: -1.11 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:25:20 -0000 Hello there! > For what its worth I very much agree with Patrick. The binary prefixes > are silly and nobody but anal-retentive ultra-geeks will understand > them, thus confusing the general userbase (who haven't seen them > before). Well, that's strange. I never considered myself a "anal-retentive ultra-geek". And I certainly never thought that my sister would fit into the category of "anal-retentive ultra-geeks". And yet she was the one who brought up the topic when we upgraded her computer with a new hard disk last week. The disk was labeled "250 Gigabyte". Yet when we installed it,"only" 238 Gigabytes were available. I explained her that the disk manufacturer interpreted the term "Giga" in a other way then the software manufacturer. Being an "anal-retentive ultra-geek", she was bothered by this. My sister is by no means a technical person. But to her european decimalised mind "Kilo" means "a thousand" and not "a thousand and twenty four", just in the way that "Mega" means "a million" and not "one million four hundred forty nine thousand six hundred sixteen". It doesn't bother me, mind you. I know that in IT "Giga" doesn't mean "Giga". But I always thought that only "anal-retentive ultra-geeks" know that and I recently noticed it confuses the the general userbase (who haven't heard of that before). The strange thing is that almost everyone seems to agree (even Patrick) that binary prefixes are a good Idea. However; everyone seems to wait with the adaption of binary prefixes until everyone around has adapted them. Funny thing. I see no need to bother the documentation team; there is to much resistance against binary prefixes. So long, Raphael From alexl@redhat.com Tue Jun 20 09:50:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6D663B01A8 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18291-09 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3030F3B020B for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5KDo05r027617; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:50:00 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5KDo0Fm009656; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:50:00 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5KDnxEP016163; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:49:59 -0400 Subject: Re: [PATCH] Display binary prefix filesizes instead of decimal prefix filesizes (344296) From: Alexander Larsson To: Raphael Bosshard In-Reply-To: <1150809860.15905.28.camel@numenor> References: <448ECE64.9030800@zhwin.ch> <1150534641.1962.19.camel@greebo> <1150809860.15905.28.camel@numenor> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:49:59 +0200 Message-Id: <1150811399.16397.51.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.588 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.013, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.588 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:50:55 -0000 On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 15:24 +0200, Raphael Bosshard wrote: > > For what its worth I very much agree with Patrick. The binary prefixes > > are silly and nobody but anal-retentive ultra-geeks will understand > > them, thus confusing the general userbase (who haven't seen them > > before). > > Well, that's strange. I never considered myself a "anal-retentive > ultra-geek". And I certainly never thought that my sister would fit into > the category of "anal-retentive ultra-geeks". And yet she was the one > who brought up the topic when we upgraded her computer with a new hard > disk last week. The disk was labeled "250 Gigabyte". Yet when we > installed it,"only" 238 Gigabytes were available. I explained her that > the disk manufacturer interpreted the term "Giga" in a other way then > the software manufacturer. Being an "anal-retentive ultra-geek", she was > bothered by this. > > My sister is by no means a technical person. But to her european > decimalised mind "Kilo" means "a thousand" and not "a thousand and > twenty four", just in the way that "Mega" means "a million" and not "one > million four hundred forty nine thousand six hundred sixteen". I'm well aware of the problems with 1000/1024 multipliers. However, consider your sisters case if we used 238 gibibyte instead of 238 gigabyte. 1) We'd still show 238 instead of 250 which is listed which would cause your sister to wonder where the space went. 2) There would be a strange acronym in the UI that she had never seen before and didn't match what is commonly in use in ads, docs, hardware specifications etc. Its unfortunately true that terms like gigabyte and megabyte are very widespread and in active use by people who don't really know exactly what they mean. Changing this use is slow and hard. > It doesn't bother me, mind you. I know that in IT "Giga" doesn't mean > "Giga". But I always thought that only "anal-retentive ultra-geeks" know > that and I recently noticed it confuses the the general userbase (who > haven't heard of that before). > > The strange thing is that almost everyone seems to agree (even Patrick) > that binary prefixes are a good Idea. However; everyone seems to wait > with the adaption of binary prefixes until everyone around has adapted > them. Funny thing. This is almost always the case with such large (in terms of number of places/organizations it has to be changed) changes. I think its partly because the net gain of doing the change isn't really that large. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a one-legged soccer-playing rock star who hangs with the wrong crowd. She's a plucky goth nun from Mars. They fight crime! From lifewarped@yahoo.com Wed Jun 21 15:50:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F91D3B0266 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01152-09 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp109.plus.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp109.plus.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.53.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 424163B015F for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 56956 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2006 19:50:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.85?) (lifewarped@64.252.203.251 with plain) by smtp109.plus.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2006 19:50:29 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Message-Id: <647A0248-B8FA-4F26-8652-17718BEDAF37@yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-813535700 From: "Glenn R. Martin" Subject: IP6 and MacOS X Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:50:27 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.417 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.880, BAYES_40=-0.185, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.417 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 19:50:32 -0000 --Apple-Mail-1-813535700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Apple's Mac OS X predefines a macro named SIN6_LEN... However this macro appears to be nothing. I was wondering if i wouldnt be too much trouble to add the following to your gnome-vfs-address.c file so i would not have to add it next time? (im using todays CVS) Line 55, libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-address.c : #ifdef SIN6_LEN && __APPLE__ # undef SIN6_LEN #endif # define SIN6_LEN sizeof (struct sockaddr_in6) Thanks --- Glenn R. Martin lifewarped@yahoo.com http://www.xargos.com http://www.myspace.com/grmartin C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg. -- Bjarne Stroustrup --Apple-Mail-1-813535700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Apple's Mac OS X predefines a = macro named SIN6_LEN... However this macro appears to be nothing. I was = wondering if i wouldnt be too much trouble to add the following to your = gnome-vfs-address.c file so i would not have to add it next = time?

(im using = todays CVS)

Line = 55,=A0libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-address.c :

#ifdef SIN6_LEN = &&=A0__APPLE__
# undef = SIN6_LEN
#endif

# define SIN6_LEN=A0= =A0=A0 sizeof (struct sockaddr_in6)

Thanks

---
Glenn R. = Martin
C makes it easy to shoot yourself in = the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole = leg. -- Bjarne Stroustrup

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= --Apple-Mail-1-813535700-- From lifewarped@yahoo.com Wed Jun 21 15:58:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF823B0192 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02062-01 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:58:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp104.plus.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp104.plus.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.53.29]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AF9573B035A for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:58:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 63776 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2006 19:57:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.85?) (lifewarped@64.252.203.251 with plain) by smtp104.plus.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2006 19:57:59 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Message-Id: <2766644B-5FDA-44BF-BFA9-F0C4295F117E@yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-813985806 From: "Glenn R. Martin" Subject: login_tty on Mac OS X Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:57:57 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.823 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.361, BAYES_05=-1.11, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.823 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 19:58:02 -0000 --Apple-Mail-2-813985806 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed MacOS X has the login_tty() definition in its header which does not seem to be included by your libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-pty.{c,h} file. Mind doing so, if i run in to anything else, ill hold it back for a complete email. again my copy is from the CVS. --- Glenn R. Martin lifewarped@yahoo.com http://www.xargos.com http://www.myspace.com/grmartin C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg. -- Bjarne Stroustrup --Apple-Mail-2-813985806 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 MacOS X has the login_tty() = definition in its <util.h> header which does not seem to be = included by your=A0libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-pty.{c,h} file. Mind doing so, = if i run in to anything else, ill hold it back for a complete = email.

again my copy is from the = CVS.

---
Glenn R. = Martin
C makes it easy to shoot yourself in = the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole = leg. -- Bjarne Stroustrup

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= --Apple-Mail-2-813985806-- From chris@gnome-de.org Thu Jun 22 08:11:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99F493B0691 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:11:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23409-09 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.bytecamp.net (mail.bytecamp.net [212.204.60.9]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C20CC3B05EE for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:11:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 40576 invoked by uid 85); 22 Jun 2006 12:11:51 -0000 Received: from chris@gnome-de.org by mail.bytecamp.net by uid 88 with qmail-scanner-1.20 (clamscan: 0.88.1 Clear:RC:0(84.150.143.65):. 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(chris@gnome-de.org@84.150.143.65) by mail.bytecamp.net with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 22 Jun 2006 12:11:51 -0000 Subject: Re: [PATCH] Improve docs, new attempt From: Christian Neumair To: Chipzz@ULYSSIS.Org In-Reply-To: References: <1150652208.22660.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:11:45 +0200 Message-Id: <1150978306.5236.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.586 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.013, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.586 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:11:59 -0000 Am Dienstag, den 20.06.2006, 03:42 +0200 schrieb Chipzz: > I only read about half of your patch, and not even all of it carefully, but > here are a couple of suggestions: > (...) > -> "The file is a regular file" > -> %S_ISDIR and %S_ISREG are swapped. > > + * @GNOME_VFS_PERM_USER_READ: Owner has read permission. > etc... > > -> permission*s* ? Permission*s* for ALL but permission (without a trailing s) for the rest, i.e. READ, WRITE, EXECUTE. > (...) Thanks for your worthy suggestions, I've included almost all of them. Alex just looked through the patch as well and allowed me to commit it :). -- Christian Neumair From chris@gnome-de.org Fri Jun 30 06:36:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE3B03B024A for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 06:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11809-10 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 06:36:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.bytecamp.net (mail.bytecamp.net [212.204.60.9]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 138D63B02A2 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 06:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 59971 invoked by uid 85); 30 Jun 2006 10:36:00 -0000 Received: from chris@gnome-de.org by mail.bytecamp.net by uid 88 with qmail-scanner-1.20 (clamscan: 0.88.1 Clear:RC:0(84.150.198.8):. 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(chris@gnome-de.org@84.150.198.8) by mail.bytecamp.net with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 30 Jun 2006 10:35:59 -0000 Subject: proposed asynchronous gnome_vfs_url_show implementation waiting for review From: Christian Neumair To: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:35:57 +0200 Message-Id: <1151663758.5262.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.586 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.013, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.586 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:36:08 -0000 See http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337002 We need this both for the Panel and for Nautilus. -- Christian Neumair From alexl@redhat.com Thu Jun 1 04:19:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 680983B0C81 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 04:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16118-02 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 04:19:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2B843B0C95 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 04:19:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k518JCYk032595; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 04:19:12 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k518JCBf005878; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 04:19:12 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k518J9Kt016649; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 04:19:10 -0400 From: Alexander Larsson To: David Zeuthen In-Reply-To: <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> References: <1148314063.5168.4.camel@localhost> <1148387730.19301.22.camel@greebo> <1148406054.5009.24.camel@localhost> <1148456225.19301.38.camel@greebo> <1148486395.4735.26.camel@greebo> <1148499503.5171.7.camel@localhost> <1148904283.16920.11.camel@greebo> <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:19:10 +0200 Message-Id: <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.587 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.587 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: [PATCH] computer:/// should display all drives, not only user-visible ones X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 08:19:18 -0000 On Wed, 2006-05-31 at 18:36 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: > Hi, > > Any reason this is not on the list? Also, please use my david@fubar.dk > email address since that's what I'm using for GNOME stuff. I dunno, it got removed at some point. I'm adding it back. > On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 14:04 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-05-24 at 21:38 +0200, Xavier Claessens wrote: > > > Le mercredi 24 mai 2006 à 17:59 +0200, Alexander Larsson a écrit : > > > > Here is the thing. I don't expect there to be a GnomeVFSDrive for > > > > the /home volume (which i assume is a normal mountpoint on another > > > > partition). We should only have drive objects for real removable media > > > > mountpoints. > > > > > > I join a simple program I made which lists all your drives and volumes > > > and says if they are user visible. It's what helped me understand how > > > GnomeVFS works :-) > > > > This seems to be a bug in the hal version of the monitoring. We're not > > supposed to be creating drive objects for all harddrives in the system. > > A Drive is supposed to be something you can insert a removable volume > > in, like a cdrom reader, a floppy reader, or a usb card reader. On my > > system hal creates a drive for e.g. /mnt/hdb1 which is a normal ext3 > > filesystem mounted at roottime and not user-mountable. This shouldn't > > only exist in the volume monitor as a non-user_visible volume, not as a > > drive. This used to be papered over in computer:// since the volumes for > > the drives were always mounted and not user-visible, so they got > > hidden. > > > > David, I don't really know the hal stuff. Could you look into this? > > So I'm not really sure why we want this difference you are describing. > In fact I'd argue that we indeed want to show volumes from e.g. the > internal hard disk for e.g. your Windows and OS X partitions. > > And this indeed requires a GnomeVFSDrive because the partition may not > be mounted and we only have a GnomeVFSVolume for a GnomeVFSDrive when > the partition the GnomeVFSDrive represents is actually mounted (that's > my understanding of the how Gnome VFS works). The initial design for drives was to represent devices that use removable media (such as cdrom drives, floppy drives, usb card readers, etc). For these devices the operations on the device are "natural" to the user. Its true that one can also view them as just "possible mountpoints for volumes", which means you could have a drive for your OSX or windows partition. However, when you expose this in the UI you suddenly turn a very explicit obvious hardware mapping into a way to expose the much more vague and complicated unix operation of "mounting a filesystem". I.E. you remove the mapping from icons in the UI to hardware units you can put stuff into. If you take the view of a non-unix person (i.e. one unaware of the details of mountpoints etc) using a Gnome desktop with a separate HD you have basically three cases. Either the partition is mounted, the user is allowed to mount the partition, or the user isn't allowed to mount the partition. In the first case we clearly should show a volume icon, and in the last case i argue that we should never show a drive icon (it would do nothing but confuse people). The question is what to in the second case. In an ideal desktop system I don't think that state really is very useful. What non-sysadmin-related use would you have for not mounting that volume if you are allowed to mount it anyway? In the case on a non-ideal unix system the question gets complicated and turns into a question about whether the mountpoint is an "internal implementation detail" of the filesystem mount tree or not, and this becomes very similar to the question whether to expand symlinks or not (don't expand /home to /mnt/hdb/home, but expand ~/Desktop/music to ~/Documents/MyMusic). Some cases are simple, you never want to display /, /proc, /sys, /dev/pts, /boot, etc. However, for others things are not so easy. I have for instance /mnt/hdb1 on my system where i have symlinks like /opt -> /mnt/hdb1/opt. I wouldn't want to display this. Whether to show such drives or not is clearly a complicated, system-dependent issue and should be solved in the lower layers, and not solved in each app using gnome-vfs. The change that resulted in this being an acute problem was that we decided to hide drives that support auto-mount in all places but computer:// by using the is_user_visible flag of the drive. Doing this means that flag is used for that and can't also be used to flag whether a drive is "internal" or not. I think just not having drive objects for internal mountpoints is the easiest solution to this. > So I think what you want is to hide is exactly volumes that are mounted > on traditional FHS mount points, e.g. /, /usr. I can't see why we should > enforce this policy in Gnome VFS when the bits above (e.g. Nautilus, > Filechooser) can handle this much better? I don't understand how you think nautilus can handle this better? =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a gun-slinging voodoo master criminal whom everyone believes is mad. She's a strong-willed impetuous detective descended from a line of powerful witches. They fight crime! From xclaesse@gmail.com Sun Jun 4 17:08:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 948253B01AC for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10855-08 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:08:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outmx018.isp.belgacom.be (outmx018.isp.belgacom.be [195.238.4.117]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7837F3B016C for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outmx018.isp.belgacom.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outmx018.isp.belgacom.be (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Skynet-OUT-2.22) with ESMTP id k54L8WOP014717 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 23:08:32 +0200 (envelope-from ) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (85-212.242.81.adsl.skynet.be [81.242.212.85]) by outmx018.isp.belgacom.be (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Skynet-OUT-2.22) with ESMTP id k54L8V56014703; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 23:08:31 +0200 (envelope-from ) From: Xavier Claessens To: Alexander Larsson In-Reply-To: <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> References: <1148314063.5168.4.camel@localhost> <1148387730.19301.22.camel@greebo> <1148406054.5009.24.camel@localhost> <1148456225.19301.38.camel@greebo> <1148486395.4735.26.camel@greebo> <1148499503.5171.7.camel@localhost> <1148904283.16920.11.camel@greebo> <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-OBWowAwOL3MMyW2FiPT8" Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 23:08:31 +0200 Message-Id: <1149455311.15249.18.camel@zdra-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.005 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.475, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_NEUTRAL=1.069] X-Spam-Score: -2.005 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" , David Zeuthen Subject: Re: [PATCH] computer:/// should display all drives, not only user-visible ones X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 21:08:44 -0000 --=-OBWowAwOL3MMyW2FiPT8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Le jeudi 01 juin 2006 =C3=A0 10:19 +0200, Alexander Larsson a =C3=A9crit : > On Wed, 2006-05-31 at 18:36 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: > > Hi, > >=20 > > Any reason this is not on the list? Also, please use my david@fubar.dk > > email address since that's what I'm using for GNOME stuff. >=20 > I dunno, it got removed at some point. I'm adding it back. >=20 > > On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 14:04 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > > On Wed, 2006-05-24 at 21:38 +0200, Xavier Claessens wrote: > > > > Le mercredi 24 mai 2006 =C3=A0 17:59 +0200, Alexander Larsson a =C3= =A9crit : > > > > > Here is the thing. I don't expect there to be a GnomeVFSDrive for > > > > > the /home volume (which i assume is a normal mountpoint on anothe= r > > > > > partition). We should only have drive objects for real removable = media > > > > > mountpoints. > > > >=20 > > > > I join a simple program I made which lists all your drives and volu= mes > > > > and says if they are user visible. It's what helped me understand h= ow > > > > GnomeVFS works :-) > > >=20 > > > This seems to be a bug in the hal version of the monitoring. We're no= t > > > supposed to be creating drive objects for all harddrives in the syste= m. > > > A Drive is supposed to be something you can insert a removable volume > > > in, like a cdrom reader, a floppy reader, or a usb card reader. On my > > > system hal creates a drive for e.g. /mnt/hdb1 which is a normal ext3 > > > filesystem mounted at roottime and not user-mountable. This shouldn't > > > only exist in the volume monitor as a non-user_visible volume, not as= a > > > drive. This used to be papered over in computer:// since the volumes = for > > > the drives were always mounted and not user-visible, so they got > > > hidden.=20 > > >=20 > > > David, I don't really know the hal stuff. Could you look into this? > >=20 > > So I'm not really sure why we want this difference you are describing. > > In fact I'd argue that we indeed want to show volumes from e.g. the > > internal hard disk for e.g. your Windows and OS X partitions.=20 > >=20 > > And this indeed requires a GnomeVFSDrive because the partition may not > > be mounted and we only have a GnomeVFSVolume for a GnomeVFSDrive when > > the partition the GnomeVFSDrive represents is actually mounted (that's > > my understanding of the how Gnome VFS works). >=20 > The initial design for drives was to represent devices that use > removable media (such as cdrom drives, floppy drives, usb card readers, > etc). For these devices the operations on the device are "natural" to > the user. Its true that one can also view them as just "possible > mountpoints for volumes", which means you could have a drive for your > OSX or windows partition. However, when you expose this in the UI you > suddenly turn a very explicit obvious hardware mapping into a way to > expose the much more vague and complicated unix operation of "mounting a > filesystem". I.E. you remove the mapping from icons in the UI to > hardware units you can put stuff into. >=20 > If you take the view of a non-unix person (i.e. one unaware of the > details of mountpoints etc) using a Gnome desktop with a separate HD > you have basically three cases. Either the partition is mounted, the > user is allowed to mount the partition, or the user isn't allowed to > mount the partition. In the first case we clearly should show a volume > icon, and in the last case i argue that we should never show a drive > icon (it would do nothing but confuse people).=20 >=20 > The question is what to in the second case. In an ideal desktop system I > don't think that state really is very useful. What non-sysadmin-related > use would you have for not mounting that volume if you are allowed to > mount it anyway? In the case on a non-ideal unix system the question > gets complicated and turns into a question about whether the mountpoint > is an "internal implementation detail" of the filesystem mount tree or > not, and this becomes very similar to the question whether to expand > symlinks or not (don't expand /home to /mnt/hdb/home, but expand > ~/Desktop/music to ~/Documents/MyMusic). Some cases are simple, you > never want to display /, /proc, /sys, /dev/pts, /boot, etc. However, for > others things are not so easy. I have for instance /mnt/hdb1 on my > system where i have symlinks like /opt -> /mnt/hdb1/opt. I wouldn't want > to display this. >=20 > Whether to show such drives or not is clearly a complicated, > system-dependent issue and should be solved in the lower layers, and not > solved in each app using gnome-vfs. >=20 > The change that resulted in this being an acute problem was that we > decided to hide drives that support auto-mount in all places but > computer:// by using the is_user_visible flag of the drive. Doing this > means that flag is used for that and can't also be used to flag whether > a drive is "internal" or not. I think just not having drive objects for > internal mountpoints is the easiest solution to this. >=20 > > So I think what you want is to hide is exactly volumes that are mounted > > on traditional FHS mount points, e.g. /, /usr. I can't see why we shoul= d > > enforce this policy in Gnome VFS when the bits above (e.g. Nautilus, > > Filechooser) can handle this much better? >=20 > I don't understand how you think nautilus can handle this better?=20 >=20 I think we can't do everything with only an user_visible flag. There is 2 different concepts: first the user_visible itself which should be used to hide partition's drives and other useless drives, second the auto-mountable property. I suggest to make something like: gboolean gnome_vfs_drive_is_auto_mountable (GnomeVFSDrive*); Like that we display all user_visible drives in computer:/// (including unmounted cdroms) but we only show user_visible && !auto_moutable drive in nautilus's place sidebar. I don't know how will GtkFileChooser work with that, because it should so see the auto_mount flag and hide automountable drives... Currently it seems that it follows the user_visible flag, at least when using gnomeVFS backend. I you are OK with this idea I can make patches for GnomeVFS/Nautilus 2.15.x For the other problem, which is computer:/// doesn't handle multi-volume drives, what about just updating the drive's icon when the first volume comes (like now in most cases) and if we get more volumes we add files like I did in my first patch. What do you think about that ? Xavier Claessens. --=-OBWowAwOL3MMyW2FiPT8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Ceci est une partie de message =?ISO-8859-1?Q?num=E9riquement?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_sign=E9e?= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEg0vO6dEBUn2qPAMRAvTuAJ9ntPlAFivY6fFkxmdvJcY47+BPFgCfU8uo 02AtDX37Xa3rjeu3Tck07hg= =Mgs1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-OBWowAwOL3MMyW2FiPT8-- From xclaesse@gmail.com Sun Jun 4 17:19:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 373613B0311 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11487-02 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outmx006.isp.belgacom.be (outmx006.isp.belgacom.be [195.238.4.99]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A36623B01B7 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outmx006.isp.belgacom.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outmx006.isp.belgacom.be (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Skynet-OUT-2.22) with ESMTP id k54LJTW9004701 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 23:19:30 +0200 (envelope-from ) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (85-212.242.81.adsl.skynet.be [81.242.212.85]) by outmx006.isp.belgacom.be (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Skynet-OUT-2.22) with ESMTP id k54LJQOB004670 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 23:19:27 +0200 (envelope-from ) From: Xavier Claessens To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-H/k/fxPKXIxMmyFvNdyr" Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 23:19:26 +0200 Message-Id: <1149455967.15249.30.camel@zdra-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.003 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.473, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_NEUTRAL=1.069] X-Spam-Score: -2.003 X-Spam-Level: Subject: volume-unmounted signal on GnomeVFSDrive X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 21:19:35 -0000 --=-H/k/fxPKXIxMmyFvNdyr Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, As I understand the "volume-unmounted" signal is emitted before the volume unmounted is really removed from the drive. So in the callback, if we run gnome_vfs_drive_get_mounted_volumes() it will return a GList still containing the unmounted GnomeVFSVolume. I think it should be very useful to have a callback after everything is done. For example in nautilus'places sidebar when we get the "volume-unmounted" callback we can't update the sidebar yet because the drive still has the volume connected... so we add a g_idle_add() to have a callback after everything is done and then we can update the sidebar. I think that's more a workaround than a real solution. What about adding in GnomeVFSDrive and GnomeVFSVolumeMonitor a "volume-post-unmount" callback (we already have a "volume-pre-unmount" cb) ? I you are OK with the idea I can make a patch. Xavier Claessens. --=-H/k/fxPKXIxMmyFvNdyr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Ceci est une partie de message =?ISO-8859-1?Q?num=E9riquement?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_sign=E9e?= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEg05e6dEBUn2qPAMRArR9AKCAmWMgqHE/lg5Ub8z2UhNQafssNgCffgDr h5y25qZ9aTpyf3qPuFAFv0w= =yGzq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-H/k/fxPKXIxMmyFvNdyr-- From keni4i@yahoo.com Sun Jun 4 15:51:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BB533B017A for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 15:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07508-01 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 15:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web61323.mail.yahoo.com (web61323.mail.yahoo.com [209.73.179.77]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 530A33B0101 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 15:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 83293 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jun 2006 19:51:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=prZjog0TXPnF+wlE8LBjO9ySalKcONTauN625ePWqsxA6/eYIQZOrZWunGBSRW20iSnr/iiWsHPBFthOeIqLOsLexDW7T3aTYgwjucP/yQ1qjDWlisdhLiDAzsEwmX8lzYFi+yno63B1RiIoGz7A13QEW8nvwxcZyJ8QEYBNRec= ; Message-ID: <20060604195153.83291.qmail@web61323.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.100.226.12] by web61323.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 12:51:53 PDT Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 12:51:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Ken Ishii To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.119 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.767, BAYES_50=0.001, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447] X-Spam-Score: -0.119 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 18:29:01 -0400 Subject: gnome_vfs_uri_hash() bug? X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 19:51:57 -0000 gnome_vfs_uri_hash() has the following code section: for (uri_p = uri; uri_p != NULL; uri_p = uri_p->parent) { HASH_STRING (hash_value, uri_p->text); HASH_STRING (hash_value, uri_p->method_string); if (uri_p->parent != NULL) { const GnomeVFSToplevelURI *toplevel; toplevel = (const GnomeVFSToplevelURI *) uri_p; Since GnomeVFSToplevelURI is defined to be an URI without a parent, shouldn't if (uri_p->parent != NULL) be if (uri_p->parent == NULL) instead? Ken Ishii __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From david@fubar.dk Mon Jun 5 17:57:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E8BB3B0625 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 17:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02934-09 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 17:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from davidz.fubar.dk (unknown [208.184.5.49]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 264F33B03A0 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 17:57:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.115] (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by davidz.fubar.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id C71269CE06B; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 17:56:59 -0400 (EDT) From: David Zeuthen To: Alexander Larsson In-Reply-To: <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> References: <1148314063.5168.4.camel@localhost> <1148387730.19301.22.camel@greebo> <1148406054.5009.24.camel@localhost> <1148456225.19301.38.camel@greebo> <1148486395.4735.26.camel@greebo> <1148499503.5171.7.camel@localhost> <1148904283.16920.11.camel@greebo> <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 17:58:06 -0400 Message-Id: <1149544687.5951.56.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.2.1 (2.7.2.1-4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.567 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.032, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.567 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: [PATCH] computer:/// should display all drives, not only user-visible ones X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:57:05 -0000 Hi, Sorry for the late reply, On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 10:19 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > So I'm not really sure why we want this difference you are describing. > > In fact I'd argue that we indeed want to show volumes from e.g. the > > internal hard disk for e.g. your Windows and OS X partitions. > > > > And this indeed requires a GnomeVFSDrive because the partition may not > > be mounted and we only have a GnomeVFSVolume for a GnomeVFSDrive when > > the partition the GnomeVFSDrive represents is actually mounted (that's > > my understanding of the how Gnome VFS works). > > The initial design for drives was to represent devices that use > removable media (such as cdrom drives, floppy drives, usb card readers, > etc). For these devices the operations on the device are "natural" to > the user. Its true that one can also view them as just "possible > mountpoints for volumes", which means you could have a drive for your > OSX or windows partition. However, when you expose this in the UI you > suddenly turn a very explicit obvious hardware mapping into a way to > expose the much more vague and complicated unix operation of "mounting a > filesystem". I.E. you remove the mapping from icons in the UI to > hardware units you can put stuff into. As a user I'm not really sure there is a huge difference between "Macintosh HD" and "1GB Compact Flash media". Both contains files I'm interested in using, I don't care where they come from. > If you take the view of a non-unix person (i.e. one unaware of the > details of mountpoints etc) using a Gnome desktop with a separate HD > you have basically three cases. Either the partition is mounted, the > user is allowed to mount the partition, or the user isn't allowed to > mount the partition. In the first case we clearly should show a volume > icon, and in the last case i argue that we should never show a drive > icon (it would do nothing but confuse people). > > The question is what to in the second case. In an ideal desktop system I > don't think that state really is very useful. What non-sysadmin-related > use would you have for not mounting that volume if you are allowed to > mount it anyway? In the case on a non-ideal unix system the question > gets complicated and turns into a question about whether the mountpoint > is an "internal implementation detail" of the filesystem mount tree or > not, and this becomes very similar to the question whether to expand > symlinks or not (don't expand /home to /mnt/hdb/home, but expand > ~/Desktop/music to ~/Documents/MyMusic). Some cases are simple, you > never want to display /, /proc, /sys, /dev/pts, /boot, etc. However, for > others things are not so easy. I have for instance /mnt/hdb1 on my > system where i have symlinks like /opt -> /mnt/hdb1/opt. I wouldn't want > to display this. > > Whether to show such drives or not is clearly a complicated, > system-dependent issue and should be solved in the lower layers, and not > solved in each app using gnome-vfs. > > The change that resulted in this being an acute problem was that we > decided to hide drives that support auto-mount in all places but > computer:// by using the is_user_visible flag of the drive. Doing this > means that flag is used for that and can't also be used to flag whether > a drive is "internal" or not. I think just not having drive objects for > internal mountpoints is the easiest solution to this. Well, the reality is that lots of people dual or triple boot and they have files they care about on the Macintosh and Windows hard drives. And I don't think it's uncommon at all to attach removable drives formatted with e.g. HFS+ or NTFS. If security (we can't let the user automatically get full read access to e.g. an hfs+ fs on the Mac harddisk) and availability of file system driver code (NTFS write support is still not widely available) wasn't a concern this would be easy; we'd simply automount these with uid=500 and be done with it. We want this such that the user can access his files in e.g. /Users/davidz which has a different uid on the Mac OS X system (such as uid=1000). However, things are a lot more complicated. For example, if you have full write access (like when you mount with uid=500) to the root partition of another operating system as an unprivileged user (with uid=500) you can essentially change the password database on that fs and, bingo, what was previously a secure system before you put Linux (or whatever on it) now has issues. There's also things like EAL [1] that is important, e.g. we should be able to totally lock down the system such that you can't use it for anything, not even access your removable media. Surely, in this situation, we want to still show to the user that he got a card reader plugged in but that the organizational policy of his employer (or whatever) prevents him from using it. Perhaps, in the name of usability, we might give him a button titled "Request permission to use device" (would file a request to the IT department) when he clicks it or, if it's an administrator, he can put in his password or authenticate in other ways. This is where usability and security meets, fighting each other like cats and dogs. Can you see the dilemma? Like it or not, this is from the real world [2] and bills like Sarbanes-Oxley etc. don't make this *any* easier. This is why I started PolicyKit. PolicyKit and gnome-mount will help solve this problem though not in a very elegant way [3] but it will provide a "one-time-click" "solution" to the problem. Some might say the user looses here (just look at the recent Microsoft Vista reviews where the user is bombarded with dialogs) but we're still left with the dilemma mentioned above. And we do want (I believe) GNOME to be a viable contender on the desktop and that means we need to support lock-down and things like EAL and Sarbanes-Oxley. Just as we want it to work for home users who just wants to access that movie on the NTFS or hfs+ partition from his home directory on "that other operating system". The approach taken by PolicyKit and gnome-mount is best compromise I've come up with so far. I'm not convinced it's perfect though, and I haven't had time to complete it yet though things are slowly moving forward. So what am I trying to say? I'm trying to say it makes sense to show all drives and their mountable file systems notwithstanding the user might be allowed to access them. Because if they're not privileged they should at least get a chance to see the drive is there (otherwise you get "My drive didn't show up! Is the computer broken?") along with an explanation why they can't access it maybe even with a possibility to auth for access. > > So I think what you want is to hide is exactly volumes that are mounted > > on traditional FHS mount points, e.g. /, /usr. I can't see why we should > > enforce this policy in Gnome VFS when the bits above (e.g. Nautilus, > > Filechooser) can handle this much better? > > I don't understand how you think nautilus can handle this better? Agreed, yea, probably GNOME VFS would know best. David [1] : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evaluation_Assurance_Level [2] : http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20040916.html Search for "epoxy". [3] : See http://people.freedesktop.org/~david/perm-override/gnome-mount-perm-override-1.png http://people.freedesktop.org/~david/perm-override/gnome-mount-perm-override-2.png From alexl@redhat.com Wed Jun 7 02:58:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 730983B0342 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:58:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20729-09 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C47583B01B2 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:58:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k576wSRX026164; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:58:28 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k576wNdo031791; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:58:23 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k576wMrc020424; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:58:23 -0400 From: Alexander Larsson To: David Zeuthen In-Reply-To: <1149544687.5951.56.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> References: <1148314063.5168.4.camel@localhost> <1148387730.19301.22.camel@greebo> <1148406054.5009.24.camel@localhost> <1148456225.19301.38.camel@greebo> <1148486395.4735.26.camel@greebo> <1148499503.5171.7.camel@localhost> <1148904283.16920.11.camel@greebo> <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> <1149544687.5951.56.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 08:58:24 +0200 Message-Id: <1149663504.5416.123.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.587 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.587 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: [PATCH] computer:/// should display all drives, not only user-visible ones X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 06:58:31 -0000 On Mon, 2006-06-05 at 17:58 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: > So what am I trying to say? I'm trying to say it makes sense to show all > drives and their mountable file systems notwithstanding the user might > be allowed to access them. Because if they're not privileged they should > at least get a chance to see the drive is there (otherwise you get "My > drive didn't show up! Is the computer broken?") along with an > explanation why they can't access it maybe even with a possibility to > auth for access. I don't really follow your reasoning fully. I agree that users want to see their OSX and/or windows mounts from linux, but I think you over-empasize the "single user, dual boot, home desktop" usecase. In the case of more traditional sysadmined unix setups (at universities and whatnot) you'll have a bunch of bizzare mountpoints (nfs mounts, autofs mounts, tmpfs, /usr, /home, extra drives/partitions, etc). If we were to show all these, then I think things would look pretty confusing. I really think we need to hide a bunch of mountpoints. Some mountpoints can probably be hardcoded (like /proc, /tmp/, /home, /opt/*, /usr, and /boot), but we can never think of all possibilities, so we should probably have a way to mark them. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a benighted playboy dog-catcher whom everyone believes is mad. She's a sarcastic extravagent former first lady from a family of eight older brothers. They fight crime! From xclaesse@gmail.com Wed Jun 7 08:51:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 546413B0B28 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:51:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13070-01 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outmx007.isp.belgacom.be (outmx007.isp.belgacom.be [195.238.5.234]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A19F93B03C4 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outmx007.isp.belgacom.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outmx007.isp.belgacom.be (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Skynet-OUT-2.22) with ESMTP id k57Cow2U030006 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:51:03 +0200 (envelope-from ) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (68-220.242.81.adsl.skynet.be [81.242.220.68]) by outmx007.isp.belgacom.be (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Skynet-OUT-2.22) with ESMTP id k57CovMd029978; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:50:57 +0200 (envelope-from ) From: Xavier Claessens To: Alexander Larsson In-Reply-To: <1149663504.5416.123.camel@greebo> References: <1148314063.5168.4.camel@localhost> <1148387730.19301.22.camel@greebo> <1148406054.5009.24.camel@localhost> <1148456225.19301.38.camel@greebo> <1148486395.4735.26.camel@greebo> <1148499503.5171.7.camel@localhost> <1148904283.16920.11.camel@greebo> <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> <1149544687.5951.56.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149663504.5416.123.camel@greebo> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-hOGtOF5lpypbLjK1X4t7" Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:51:08 +0200 Message-Id: <1149684668.5095.1.camel@zdra-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.471, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_NEUTRAL=1.069] X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" , David Zeuthen Subject: Re: [PATCH] computer:/// should display all drives, not only user-visible ones X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:51:14 -0000 --=-hOGtOF5lpypbLjK1X4t7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Le mercredi 07 juin 2006 =C3=A0 08:58 +0200, Alexander Larsson a =C3=A9crit= : > On Mon, 2006-06-05 at 17:58 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: >=20 > > So what am I trying to say? I'm trying to say it makes sense to show al= l > > drives and their mountable file systems notwithstanding the user might > > be allowed to access them. Because if they're not privileged they shoul= d > > at least get a chance to see the drive is there (otherwise you get "My > > drive didn't show up! Is the computer broken?") along with an > > explanation why they can't access it maybe even with a possibility to > > auth for access. >=20 > I don't really follow your reasoning fully. I agree that users want to > see their OSX and/or windows mounts from linux, but I think you > over-empasize the "single user, dual boot, home desktop" usecase. In the > case of more traditional sysadmined unix setups (at universities and > whatnot) you'll have a bunch of bizzare mountpoints (nfs mounts, autofs > mounts, tmpfs, /usr, /home, extra drives/partitions, etc).=20 >=20 > If we were to show all these, then I think things would look pretty > confusing. I really think we need to hide a bunch of mountpoints. Some > mountpoints can probably be hardcoded > (like /proc, /tmp/, /home, /opt/*, /usr, and /boot), but we can never > think of all possibilities, so we should probably have a way to mark > them. >=20 We should only display "/media/*" and "/mnt/*" Xavier. --=-hOGtOF5lpypbLjK1X4t7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Ceci est une partie de message =?ISO-8859-1?Q?num=E9riquement?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_sign=E9e?= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEhsu76dEBUn2qPAMRApRBAJwNCLBuPyxCtkh0sIbICQBqpRGDFACfaN00 Kc9Uz6ZIjQ4wxsbbHO74ZG0= =Wmaq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-hOGtOF5lpypbLjK1X4t7-- From tomasek@ebed.etf.cuni.cz Wed Jun 7 08:55:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 864A63B0C97 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13300-04 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ebed.etf.cuni.cz (ebed.etf.cuni.cz [195.113.5.3]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E66983B03C4 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ebed.etf.cuni.cz (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ebed.etf.cuni.cz (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k57ChDPX029737 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:43:13 +0200 Received: (from tomasek@localhost) by ebed.etf.cuni.cz (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Submit) id k57ChDrV029735 for gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:43:13 +0200 Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:43:13 +0200 From: Petr Tomasek To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20060607124313.GA29329@ebed.etf.cuni.cz> References: <1148456225.19301.38.camel@greebo> <1148486395.4735.26.camel@greebo> <1148499503.5171.7.camel@localhost> <1148904283.16920.11.camel@greebo> <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> <1149544687.5951.56.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149663504.5416.123.camel@greebo> <1149684668.5095.1.camel@zdra-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1149684668.5095.1.camel@zdra-desktop> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Homepage: http://www.etf.cuni.cz/~tomasek/ X-Echelon: bomb Arafat Intifada bus kach drugs mafia boss heroin spy Semtex Saddam Al-Qaida Usama bin Ladin Bush Sharon X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.535 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.064, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.535 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: [PATCH] computer:/// should display all drives, not only user-visible ones X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:55:00 -0000 > > I don't really follow your reasoning fully. I agree that users want to > > see their OSX and/or windows mounts from linux, but I think you > > over-empasize the "single user, dual boot, home desktop" usecase. In the > > case of more traditional sysadmined unix setups (at universities and > > whatnot) you'll have a bunch of bizzare mountpoints (nfs mounts, autofs > > mounts, tmpfs, /usr, /home, extra drives/partitions, etc). > > > > If we were to show all these, then I think things would look pretty > > confusing. I really think we need to hide a bunch of mountpoints. Some > > mountpoints can probably be hardcoded > > (like /proc, /tmp/, /home, /opt/*, /usr, and /boot), but we can never > > think of all possibilities, so we should probably have a way to mark > > them. > > > > We should only display "/media/*" and "/mnt/*" > > Xavier. Please, let it be configurable! There are people who prefer mounting media under "/" (like "/cdrom", etc.) P.T. -- Petr Tomasek From david@fubar.dk Wed Jun 7 09:42:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 565EE3B03C1 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:42:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17395-02 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:42:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from davidz.fubar.dk (unknown [208.184.5.49]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8057D3B0229 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:42:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.115] (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by davidz.fubar.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CDC19CE06F; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:42:47 -0400 (EDT) From: David Zeuthen To: Xavier Claessens In-Reply-To: <1149684668.5095.1.camel@zdra-desktop> References: <1148314063.5168.4.camel@localhost> <1148387730.19301.22.camel@greebo> <1148406054.5009.24.camel@localhost> <1148456225.19301.38.camel@greebo> <1148486395.4735.26.camel@greebo> <1148499503.5171.7.camel@localhost> <1148904283.16920.11.camel@greebo> <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> <1149544687.5951.56.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149663504.5416.123.camel@greebo> <1149684668.5095.1.camel@zdra-desktop> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 09:43:54 -0400 Message-Id: <1149687834.2424.24.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.2.1 (2.7.2.1-4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.57 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.029, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.57 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" , Alexander Larsson Subject: Re: [PATCH] computer:/// should display all drives, not only user-visible ones X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:42:51 -0000 On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 14:51 +0200, Xavier Claessens wrote: > > I don't really follow your reasoning fully. I agree that users want to > > see their OSX and/or windows mounts from linux, but I think you > > over-empasize the "single user, dual boot, home desktop" usecase. In the > > case of more traditional sysadmined unix setups (at universities and > > whatnot) you'll have a bunch of bizzare mountpoints (nfs mounts, autofs > > mounts, tmpfs, /usr, /home, extra drives/partitions, etc). > > > > If we were to show all these, then I think things would look pretty > > confusing. I really think we need to hide a bunch of mountpoints. Some > > mountpoints can probably be hardcoded > > (like /proc, /tmp/, /home, /opt/*, /usr, and /boot), but we can never > > think of all possibilities, so we should probably have a way to mark > > them. Yea, of course we should hide such bizarre mount points. My point was merely we ought to show drives/mounts even if the user is not privileged to mount them. > > > > We should only display "/media/*" and "/mnt/*" Yup, that's one option, maybe just resort to showing entries from /media then alexl's /mnt/hdb1 drive won't be shown (and if alexl wants it to be shown he can move the mount point to /media). Personally I think we should just hide all the directories and subdirs as defined by FHS2.3. We do that here http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/gnome-vfs/libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-hal-mounts.c?view=markup in function _hal_volume_policy_check() though I'm unsure whether this code is used at the moment (will look into that). David From alexl@redhat.com Fri Jun 9 07:20:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF0E53B0097 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18633-05 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AB843B011C for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59BJwQm005302; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:19:58 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59BJwLZ006488; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:19:58 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59BJvoV024293; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:19:57 -0400 From: Alexander Larsson To: David Zeuthen In-Reply-To: <1149687834.2424.24.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> References: <1148314063.5168.4.camel@localhost> <1148387730.19301.22.camel@greebo> <1148406054.5009.24.camel@localhost> <1148456225.19301.38.camel@greebo> <1148486395.4735.26.camel@greebo> <1148499503.5171.7.camel@localhost> <1148904283.16920.11.camel@greebo> <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> <1149544687.5951.56.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149663504.5416.123.camel@greebo> <1149684668.5095.1.camel@zdra-desktop> <1149687834.2424.24.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 13:19:57 +0200 Message-Id: <1149851997.3023.51.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.587 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.587 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: [PATCH] computer:/// should display all drives, not only user-visible ones X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 11:20:05 -0000 On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 09:43 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 14:51 +0200, Xavier Claessens wrote: > > > I don't really follow your reasoning fully. I agree that users want to > > > see their OSX and/or windows mounts from linux, but I think you > > > over-empasize the "single user, dual boot, home desktop" usecase. In the > > > case of more traditional sysadmined unix setups (at universities and > > > whatnot) you'll have a bunch of bizzare mountpoints (nfs mounts, autofs > > > mounts, tmpfs, /usr, /home, extra drives/partitions, etc). > > > > > > If we were to show all these, then I think things would look pretty > > > confusing. I really think we need to hide a bunch of mountpoints. Some > > > mountpoints can probably be hardcoded > > > (like /proc, /tmp/, /home, /opt/*, /usr, and /boot), but we can never > > > think of all possibilities, so we should probably have a way to mark > > > them. > > Yea, of course we should hide such bizarre mount points. My point was > merely we ought to show drives/mounts even if the user is not privileged > to mount them. > > > > > > > > We should only display "/media/*" and "/mnt/*" > > Yup, that's one option, maybe just resort to showing entries from /media > then alexl's /mnt/hdb1 drive won't be shown (and if alexl wants it to be > shown he can move the mount point to /media). Personally I think we > should just hide all the directories and subdirs as defined by FHS2.3. > We do that here > > http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/gnome-vfs/libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-hal-mounts.c?view=markup > > in function _hal_volume_policy_check() though I'm unsure whether this > code is used at the moment (will look into that). Well, the bug report: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341446 showed drives for things like / and /home. So something is going wrong here. I see a _hal_drive_policy_check that is empty though. Anyway, what i think we should do is: Have a policy for what mountpoints to create drives for. Be it by blacklisting or whitelisting. If the policy says the mountpoint shouldn't have a drive then we don't even create one. Set is_user_visible to false on drives that support auto-mounting, so we can hide them everywhere but in computer:///. I think blacklisting will probably work well enough, but you probably need to add more stuff than just the toplevel FHS mountpoints, for instance /dev/shmem and common non-linux mountpoints. Also, it looks like you create drives based on currently mounted volumes that are not in fstab? This will generate a bunch of drives when using things like autofs for separate /home/ mountpoints and cause things like /proc/bus/usb to get drives. Does it ever make sense to create a drive object for a volume like this? It'll only live as long as the volume and you can't really use it for anything. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a time-tossed coffee-fuelled inventor on his last day in the job. She's a warm-hearted mutant research scientist from a different time and place. They fight crime! From alexl@redhat.com Fri Jun 9 07:21:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A75453B0121 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:21:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18661-08 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:21:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 573C53B006A for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:21:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59BLiIX005951; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:21:44 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59BLiWa006890; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:21:44 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59BLh8I024410; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:21:44 -0400 From: Alexander Larsson To: Ken Ishii In-Reply-To: <20060604195153.83291.qmail@web61323.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060604195153.83291.qmail@web61323.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 13:21:43 +0200 Message-Id: <1149852104.3023.53.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.587 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.587 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: gnome_vfs_uri_hash() bug? X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 11:21:46 -0000 On Sun, 2006-06-04 at 12:51 -0700, Ken Ishii wrote: > gnome_vfs_uri_hash() has the following code section: > > for (uri_p = uri; uri_p != NULL; uri_p = uri_p->parent) { > HASH_STRING (hash_value, uri_p->text); > HASH_STRING (hash_value, uri_p->method_string); > > if (uri_p->parent != NULL) { > const GnomeVFSToplevelURI *toplevel; > > toplevel = (const GnomeVFSToplevelURI *) uri_p; > > Since GnomeVFSToplevelURI is defined to be an URI without a parent, > shouldn't > if (uri_p->parent != NULL) > be > if (uri_p->parent == NULL) > instead? Yeah. That looks wrong. I'm fixing it in cvs. Thanks. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's an old-fashioned white trash romance novelist She's a bloodthirsty Buddhist bodyguard prone to fits of savage, blood-crazed rage. They fight crime! From alexl@redhat.com Mon Jun 12 05:38:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 296D33B00A7 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28453-10 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A0A33B008D for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5C9bL45019802; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:37:21 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5C9bG0T011686; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:37:16 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5C9bF3C014485; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:37:15 -0400 From: Alexander Larsson To: Xavier Claessens In-Reply-To: <1149455967.15249.30.camel@zdra-desktop> References: <1149455967.15249.30.camel@zdra-desktop> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:37:15 +0200 Message-Id: <1150105036.3023.95.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.587 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.587 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: volume-unmounted signal on GnomeVFSDrive X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:38:16 -0000 On Sun, 2006-06-04 at 23:19 +0200, Xavier Claessens wrote: > Hello, > > As I understand the "volume-unmounted" signal is emitted before the > volume unmounted is really removed from the drive. So in the callback, > if we run gnome_vfs_drive_get_mounted_volumes() it will return a GList > still containing the unmounted GnomeVFSVolume. > > I think it should be very useful to have a callback after everything is > done. For example in nautilus'places sidebar when we get the > "volume-unmounted" callback we can't update the sidebar yet because the > drive still has the volume connected... so we add a g_idle_add() to have > a callback after everything is done and then we can update the sidebar. > > I think that's more a workaround than a real solution. What about adding > in GnomeVFSDrive and GnomeVFSVolumeMonitor a "volume-post-unmount" > callback (we already have a "volume-pre-unmount" cb) ? > > I you are OK with the idea I can make a patch. You could just look at gnome_vfs_volume_is_mounted() in the volume-unmounted call and ignore things that are not mounted. We do set is_mounted before emitting the signal for things like this. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a deeply religious umbrella-wielding astronaut looking for a cure to the poison coursing through his veins. She's a green-fingered snooty femme fatale who can talk to animals. They fight crime! From alexl@redhat.com Mon Jun 12 06:12:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 084B93B0078 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:12:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29802-04 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BF913B009D for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5C9TFho017434; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:29:15 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5C9TF93010182; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:29:15 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5C9TEb4013434; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:29:14 -0400 From: Alexander Larsson To: Christian Neumair In-Reply-To: <1149010547.5256.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1149010547.5256.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:29:14 +0200 Message-Id: <1150104554.3023.93.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.549 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.025, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_FD=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.549 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" , Ken Ishii Subject: Re: Proposed (unfinished) ZIP module available on Bugzilla X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:12:18 -0000 On Tue, 2006-05-30 at 19:35 +0200, Christian Neumair wrote: > Dear GnomeVFS development community, > > as requested by Ken Ishii who needs a ZIP module, I'm publishing a > prelimitary version of a GnomeVFS ZIP module in Bugzilla [1]. People who > are interested in development should check out the bug report and help > out :). > > [1] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343419 It seems this uncompresses the file on open and then reads from that. I think this is the right approach, but there are some tricks you could use to make this nicer. What you do is create the uncompressed temp files (in /tmp) and then unlink the file, keeping the file descriptor around. This means the file is not visible in the filesystem, but the data for it is kept around until the last fd referencing it is closed. You store this fd in a cache, and then use dup() to get a new independent file descriptor to the file in do_open(). When the app is closed the kernel will close all fds and deallocate the filesystem space. So, doing things this way means you'll never leak tempfiles. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a lounge-singing albino vampire hunter who knows the secret of the alien invasion. She's a virginal punk traffic cop with an MBA from Harvard. They fight crime! From mclasen@redhat.com Mon Jun 12 22:40:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BAD63B0009 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07590-05 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3251E3B000C for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5D2MFId000486 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:22:15 -0400 Received: from lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (lacrosse.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.154]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5D2MFG6018613 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:22:15 -0400 Received: from [172.16.83.145] (vpn83-145.boston.redhat.com [172.16.83.145]) by lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k5D2MEWJ003165 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:22:14 -0400 From: Matthias Clasen To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Red Hat Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:24:01 -0400 Message-Id: <1150165441.4081.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.2.1 (2.7.2.1-4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.541 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.060, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.541 X-Spam-Level: Subject: gnome-mime-data dependency X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 02:40:48 -0000 During some Fedora package work I noticed that gnome-vfs still pulls in gnome-mime-data, which seems to be old and unmaintained. Alex tells me that it is needed for some deprecated mime apis. I think it would be nice to get rid of that dependency in 2.16. Matthias From bosshrap@zhwin.ch Tue Jun 13 10:41:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D47B3B000C for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26639-07 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a.mx.projectdream.org (eth0-0.yuffie.projectdream.org [194.88.212.200]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2806B3B00A5 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.0.11] (d213-103-155-97.cust.tele2.ch [213.103.155.97]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by a.mx.projectdream.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD3548811A for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:40:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <448ECE64.9030800@zhwin.ch> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:40:36 +0200 From: Raphael Bosshard User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060612) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Subject: [PATCH] Display binary prefix filesizes instead of decimal prefix filesizes (344296) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000304070805010006040703" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 08:09:00 -0400 X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:41:32 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000304070805010006040703 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit See http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344296 This patch changes the human readable filesizes (gnome_vfs_format_file_size_for_display) which are curently displayed (rather missleading) with binary prefix multipliers (such as Kilo, Mega, Giga) to more appropriate binary prefix multipiers (Kibi, Mebi, Gibi). The IEC approved standard symbols (KiB, MiB, GiB) are used. For more information please read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix So long, Raphael --------------000304070805010006040703 Content-Type: text/x-patch; name="gnome-vfs-display-binary-prefix.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="gnome-vfs-display-binary-prefix.patch" --- gnome-vfs-2.14.2/libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-utils.c 2006-03-03 10:28:21.000000000 +0100 +++ gnome-vfs-2.14.2-work/libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-utils.c 2006-06-10 23:03:40.983116272 +0200 @@ -51,9 +51,9 @@ #include #include -#define KILOBYTE_FACTOR 1024.0 -#define MEGABYTE_FACTOR (1024.0 * 1024.0) -#define GIGABYTE_FACTOR (1024.0 * 1024.0 * 1024.0) +#define KIBIBYTE_FACTOR 1024.0 +#define MEBIBYTE_FACTOR (1024.0 * 1024.0) +#define GIBIBYTE_FACTORFACTOR (1024.0 * 1024.0 * 1024.0) #define READ_CHUNK_SIZE 8192 @@ -74,22 +74,22 @@ gchar* gnome_vfs_format_file_size_for_display (GnomeVFSFileSize size) { - if (size < (GnomeVFSFileSize) KILOBYTE_FACTOR) { + if (size < (GnomeVFSFileSize) KIBIBYTE_FACTOR) { return g_strdup_printf (dngettext(GETTEXT_PACKAGE, "%u byte", "%u bytes",(guint) size), (guint) size); } else { gdouble displayed_size; - if (size < (GnomeVFSFileSize) MEGABYTE_FACTOR) { - displayed_size = (gdouble) size / KILOBYTE_FACTOR; - return g_strdup_printf (_("%.1f KB"), + if (size < (GnomeVFSFileSize) MEBIBYTE_FACTOR) { + displayed_size = (gdouble) size / KIBIBYTE_FACTOR; + return g_strdup_printf (_("%.1f KiB"), displayed_size); - } else if (size < (GnomeVFSFileSize) GIGABYTE_FACTOR) { - displayed_size = (gdouble) size / MEGABYTE_FACTOR; - return g_strdup_printf (_("%.1f MB"), + } else if (size < (GnomeVFSFileSize) GIBIBYTE_FACTORFACTOR) { + displayed_size = (gdouble) size / MEBIBYTE_FACTOR; + return g_strdup_printf (_("%.1f MiB"), displayed_size); } else { - displayed_size = (gdouble) size / GIGABYTE_FACTOR; - return g_strdup_printf (_("%.1f GB"), + displayed_size = (gdouble) size / GIBIBYTE_FACTORFACTOR; + return g_strdup_printf (_("%.1f GiB"), displayed_size); } } --------------000304070805010006040703-- From alexl@redhat.com Sat Jun 17 04:58:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 361533B042A for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 04:58:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15153-02 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 04:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 676533B010F for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 04:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5H8vMS8009846; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 04:57:22 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5H8vMxp026394; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 04:57:22 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5H8vL4b023197; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 04:57:21 -0400 Subject: Re: [PATCH] Display binary prefix filesizes instead of decimal prefix filesizes (344296) From: Alexander Larsson To: Raphael Bosshard In-Reply-To: <448ECE64.9030800@zhwin.ch> References: <448ECE64.9030800@zhwin.ch> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 10:57:21 +0200 Message-Id: <1150534641.1962.19.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.588 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.013, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.588 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 08:58:04 -0000 On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 16:40 +0200, Raphael Bosshard wrote: > See http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344296 > > This patch changes the human readable filesizes > (gnome_vfs_format_file_size_for_display) which are curently displayed > (rather missleading) with binary prefix multipliers (such as Kilo, Mega, > Giga) to more appropriate binary prefix multipiers (Kibi, Mebi, Gibi). > The IEC approved standard symbols (KiB, MiB, GiB) are used. > > For more information please read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix This has already been denied in bugs like: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127175 Which references mails like: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-doc-list/2003-December/msg00004.html and the gnome docs style guides: http://developer.gnome.org/documents/style-guide/units.html For what its worth I very much agree with Patrick. The binary prefixes are silly and nobody but anal-retentive ultra-geeks will understand them, thus confusing the general userbase (who haven't seen them before). =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a sword-wielding pirate librarian searching for his wife's true killer. She's a time-travelling junkie Hell's Angel in the wrong place at the wrong time. They fight crime! From nf2@scheinwelt.at Sun Jun 18 18:55:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 462013B00AF; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 18:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12908-03; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 18:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx-01.sil.at (mx-01.sil.at [86.59.12.198]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 208EC3B00B2; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 18:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vie-062-116-122-020.dsl.sil.at ([62.116.122.20] helo=[192.168.5.82]) by mx-01.sil.at with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Fs69X-0004Oc-Kv; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 00:54:01 +0200 Message-ID: <4495D984.5090705@scheinwelt.at> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 00:53:56 +0200 From: nf2 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gtk-list@gnome.org, gnome vfs list Subject: libxdg-vfs and Gtk-Filechooser Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scan-Signature: 9d02a3267670e8bb77f537b38fda5a39 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.51 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.012, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_XD=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.51 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 22:55:34 -0000 Hi, The experimental "libxdg-vfs" provides a generic interface to VFS libraries. It tries to autodetect the current desktop and then connects to Gnome-VFS or KIO by launching the backend executables xdg_vfs_gnome or xdg_vfs_kde. http://www.scheinwelt.at/~norbertf/dadapt/files/xdg_utils/doc/libxdg-vfs.html The target of "libxdg-vfs" would be giving applications access to ftp/smb shares etc... Of course this also involves bringing VFS access to filechoosers. AFAIK Gtk-Filechooser has pluggable backends (GtkFilesystem). It would be interesting if it could also run on top of "libxdg-vfs". The problem is, that i couldn't find any documentation how to implement a GtkFilesystem module. Could you please give me an introduction and maybe tell me about the specific requirements for a GtkFilesystem? Perhaps i need to provide more functions through "libxdg-vfs": listing and mounting Volumes, obtaining icon-paths,... Regards, Norbert From chris@gnome-de.org Sun Jun 18 13:44:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 349513B00E5 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05823-10 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.bytecamp.net (mail.bytecamp.net [212.204.60.9]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E77BC3B0009 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:44:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 45357 invoked by uid 85); 18 Jun 2006 17:36:58 -0000 Received: from chris@gnome-de.org by mail.bytecamp.net by uid 88 with qmail-scanner-1.20 (clamscan: 0.88.1 Clear:RC:0(84.150.153.121):. Processed in 7.089351 secs); 18 Jun 2006 17:36:58 -0000 Received: from p54969979.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (HELO ?192.168.123.112?) (chris@gnome-de.org@84.150.153.121) by mail.bytecamp.net with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 18 Jun 2006 17:36:51 -0000 Subject: [PATCH] Improve docs, new attempt From: Christian Neumair To: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-4cYgbTZAmh2zlaadTQGz" Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 19:36:47 +0200 Message-Id: <1150652208.22660.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.586 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.013, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.586 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:27:21 -0400 X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 17:44:45 -0000 --=-4cYgbTZAmh2zlaadTQGz Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've spent some more hours on GnomeVFS docs and the Xfer docs should be in a way better shape now. 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requested) by smtp.hora-obscura.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 768D4878023; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:31:19 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: [PATCH] Improve docs, new attempt From: Stefan Kost To: Christian Neumair In-Reply-To: <1150652208.22660.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1150652208.22660.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:30:37 +0300 Message-Id: <1150756237.15396.6.camel@fluffy.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at hora-obscura.de X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:8eea7ddcf9c0cceb26830fe517b7ade3 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.496 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.026, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_GT=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.496 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 22:38:50 -0000 Hi Christian, Am Sonntag, den 18.06.2006, 19:36 +0200 schrieb Christian Neumair: > I've spent some more hours on GnomeVFS docs and the Xfer docs should be > in a way better shape now. I got commit permission for the last one > already, but this one is significantly larger (240 kB, but including the > tmpl/ regeneration garbage). I strongly recommend to move all docs to the source files and remove the tmpl files from cvs totaly. If developers use different versions of gtk-doc, commiting partialy generated files such as the files under tmpl/ can often cause conflicts like those we know with po/*.po files. Besides developers will more likely update docs when they are close to the sources. In case you are not aware, even the section docs can be added to the sources (see the gtk-doc manual in yelp). Stefan From chipzz@ULYSSIS.Org Mon Jun 19 21:43:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 471F03B015D for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:43:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15440-03 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.240.42]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4EC63B00D9 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43E5F1D75E5 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:42:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp03.kuleuven.be (antonius.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.240.73]) by rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E13C1D75DF for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:42:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.be (ray.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.be [193.190.253.198]) by smtp03.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47261332762 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:42:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 30541 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2006 01:42:20 -0000 Received: from ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.be (HELO ace.ulyssis.org) (193.190.253.208) by smtp.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.be with SMTP; 20 Jun 2006 01:42:20 -0000 Received: by ace.ulyssis.org (Postfix, from userid 1275) id 050F92EFE4; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:42:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ace.ulyssis.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E85052EFE3; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:42:19 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:42:19 +0200 (CEST) From: Chipzz To: Christian Neumair Subject: Re: [PATCH] Improve docs, new attempt In-Reply-To: <1150652208.22660.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: References: <1150652208.22660.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by KULeuven Antivirus Cluster X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.419 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.045, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.419 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: Chipzz@ULYSSIS.Org List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:43:10 -0000 I only read about half of your patch, and not even all of it carefully, but here are a couple of suggestions: + * Either way, it acts like #GnomeVFSXferProgressCallback + * would act in non-asynchronous mode. The differences in + * invocation are explained in the gnome_vfs_async_xfer() + * documentation documentation. -> 2x documentation. + * @GNOME_VFS_FILE_TYPE_REGULAR: The file is regular (stat: %S_ISDIR). + * @GNOME_VFS_FILE_TYPE_DIRECTORY: The file is a directory (stat: %S_ISREG). -> "The file is a regular file" -> %S_ISDIR and %S_ISREG are swapped. + * @GNOME_VFS_PERM_USER_READ: Owner has read permission. etc... -> permission*s* ? + * @GNOME_VFS_PERM_OTHER_ALL: Others have all permissionss. -> permission*ss* ! + * @block_count: The size of the file in 512-byte blocks (a #GnomeVFSFileSize), -> I may be totally wrong here, but isn't this filesystem dependant? kr, On Sun, 18 Jun 2006, Christian Neumair wrote: > I've spent some more hours on GnomeVFS docs and the Xfer docs should be > in a way better shape now. I got commit permission for the last one > already, but this one is significantly larger (240 kB, but including the > tmpl/ regeneration garbage). Chipzz AKA Jan Van Buggenhout -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ UNIX isn't dead - It just smells funny Chipzz@ULYSSIS.Org ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Baldric, you wouldn't recognize a subtle plan if it painted itself pur- ple and danced naked on a harpsicord singing 'subtle plans are here a- gain'." From bosshrap@zhwin.ch Tue Jun 20 09:25:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A5FA3B01A8 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:25:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17592-03 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a.mx.projectdream.org (eth0-0.yuffie.projectdream.org [194.88.212.200]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 765663B017D for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dskt6433.zhwin.ch (dskt6433.zhwin.ch [160.85.162.206]) by a.mx.projectdream.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 048688803B; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:24:23 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: [PATCH] Display binary prefix filesizes instead of decimal prefix filesizes (344296) From: Raphael Bosshard To: Alexander Larsson In-Reply-To: <1150534641.1962.19.camel@greebo> References: <448ECE64.9030800@zhwin.ch> <1150534641.1962.19.camel@greebo> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:24:20 +0200 Message-Id: <1150809860.15905.28.camel@numenor> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.11 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11] X-Spam-Score: -1.11 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:25:20 -0000 Hello there! > For what its worth I very much agree with Patrick. The binary prefixes > are silly and nobody but anal-retentive ultra-geeks will understand > them, thus confusing the general userbase (who haven't seen them > before). Well, that's strange. I never considered myself a "anal-retentive ultra-geek". And I certainly never thought that my sister would fit into the category of "anal-retentive ultra-geeks". And yet she was the one who brought up the topic when we upgraded her computer with a new hard disk last week. The disk was labeled "250 Gigabyte". Yet when we installed it,"only" 238 Gigabytes were available. I explained her that the disk manufacturer interpreted the term "Giga" in a other way then the software manufacturer. Being an "anal-retentive ultra-geek", she was bothered by this. My sister is by no means a technical person. But to her european decimalised mind "Kilo" means "a thousand" and not "a thousand and twenty four", just in the way that "Mega" means "a million" and not "one million four hundred forty nine thousand six hundred sixteen". It doesn't bother me, mind you. I know that in IT "Giga" doesn't mean "Giga". But I always thought that only "anal-retentive ultra-geeks" know that and I recently noticed it confuses the the general userbase (who haven't heard of that before). The strange thing is that almost everyone seems to agree (even Patrick) that binary prefixes are a good Idea. However; everyone seems to wait with the adaption of binary prefixes until everyone around has adapted them. Funny thing. I see no need to bother the documentation team; there is to much resistance against binary prefixes. So long, Raphael From alexl@redhat.com Tue Jun 20 09:50:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6D663B01A8 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18291-09 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3030F3B020B for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5KDo05r027617; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:50:00 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5KDo0Fm009656; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:50:00 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5KDnxEP016163; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:49:59 -0400 Subject: Re: [PATCH] Display binary prefix filesizes instead of decimal prefix filesizes (344296) From: Alexander Larsson To: Raphael Bosshard In-Reply-To: <1150809860.15905.28.camel@numenor> References: <448ECE64.9030800@zhwin.ch> <1150534641.1962.19.camel@greebo> <1150809860.15905.28.camel@numenor> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:49:59 +0200 Message-Id: <1150811399.16397.51.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.588 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.013, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.588 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:50:55 -0000 On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 15:24 +0200, Raphael Bosshard wrote: > > For what its worth I very much agree with Patrick. The binary prefixes > > are silly and nobody but anal-retentive ultra-geeks will understand > > them, thus confusing the general userbase (who haven't seen them > > before). > > Well, that's strange. I never considered myself a "anal-retentive > ultra-geek". And I certainly never thought that my sister would fit into > the category of "anal-retentive ultra-geeks". And yet she was the one > who brought up the topic when we upgraded her computer with a new hard > disk last week. The disk was labeled "250 Gigabyte". Yet when we > installed it,"only" 238 Gigabytes were available. I explained her that > the disk manufacturer interpreted the term "Giga" in a other way then > the software manufacturer. Being an "anal-retentive ultra-geek", she was > bothered by this. > > My sister is by no means a technical person. But to her european > decimalised mind "Kilo" means "a thousand" and not "a thousand and > twenty four", just in the way that "Mega" means "a million" and not "one > million four hundred forty nine thousand six hundred sixteen". I'm well aware of the problems with 1000/1024 multipliers. However, consider your sisters case if we used 238 gibibyte instead of 238 gigabyte. 1) We'd still show 238 instead of 250 which is listed which would cause your sister to wonder where the space went. 2) There would be a strange acronym in the UI that she had never seen before and didn't match what is commonly in use in ads, docs, hardware specifications etc. Its unfortunately true that terms like gigabyte and megabyte are very widespread and in active use by people who don't really know exactly what they mean. Changing this use is slow and hard. > It doesn't bother me, mind you. I know that in IT "Giga" doesn't mean > "Giga". But I always thought that only "anal-retentive ultra-geeks" know > that and I recently noticed it confuses the the general userbase (who > haven't heard of that before). > > The strange thing is that almost everyone seems to agree (even Patrick) > that binary prefixes are a good Idea. However; everyone seems to wait > with the adaption of binary prefixes until everyone around has adapted > them. Funny thing. This is almost always the case with such large (in terms of number of places/organizations it has to be changed) changes. I think its partly because the net gain of doing the change isn't really that large. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a one-legged soccer-playing rock star who hangs with the wrong crowd. She's a plucky goth nun from Mars. They fight crime! From lifewarped@yahoo.com Wed Jun 21 15:50:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F91D3B0266 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01152-09 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp109.plus.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp109.plus.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.53.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 424163B015F for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 56956 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2006 19:50:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.85?) (lifewarped@64.252.203.251 with plain) by smtp109.plus.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2006 19:50:29 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Message-Id: <647A0248-B8FA-4F26-8652-17718BEDAF37@yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-813535700 From: "Glenn R. Martin" Subject: IP6 and MacOS X Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:50:27 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.417 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.880, BAYES_40=-0.185, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.417 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 19:50:32 -0000 --Apple-Mail-1-813535700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Apple's Mac OS X predefines a macro named SIN6_LEN... However this macro appears to be nothing. I was wondering if i wouldnt be too much trouble to add the following to your gnome-vfs-address.c file so i would not have to add it next time? (im using todays CVS) Line 55, libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-address.c : #ifdef SIN6_LEN && __APPLE__ # undef SIN6_LEN #endif # define SIN6_LEN sizeof (struct sockaddr_in6) Thanks --- Glenn R. Martin lifewarped@yahoo.com http://www.xargos.com http://www.myspace.com/grmartin C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg. -- Bjarne Stroustrup --Apple-Mail-1-813535700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Apple's Mac OS X predefines a = macro named SIN6_LEN... However this macro appears to be nothing. I was = wondering if i wouldnt be too much trouble to add the following to your = gnome-vfs-address.c file so i would not have to add it next = time?

(im using = todays CVS)

Line = 55,=A0libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-address.c :

#ifdef SIN6_LEN = &&=A0__APPLE__
# undef = SIN6_LEN
#endif

# define SIN6_LEN=A0= =A0=A0 sizeof (struct sockaddr_in6)

Thanks

---
Glenn R. = Martin
C makes it easy to shoot yourself in = the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole = leg. -- Bjarne Stroustrup

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= --Apple-Mail-1-813535700-- From lifewarped@yahoo.com Wed Jun 21 15:58:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF823B0192 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02062-01 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:58:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp104.plus.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp104.plus.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.53.29]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AF9573B035A for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:58:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 63776 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2006 19:57:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.85?) (lifewarped@64.252.203.251 with plain) by smtp104.plus.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2006 19:57:59 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Message-Id: <2766644B-5FDA-44BF-BFA9-F0C4295F117E@yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-813985806 From: "Glenn R. Martin" Subject: login_tty on Mac OS X Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:57:57 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.823 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.361, BAYES_05=-1.11, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.823 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 19:58:02 -0000 --Apple-Mail-2-813985806 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed MacOS X has the login_tty() definition in its header which does not seem to be included by your libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-pty.{c,h} file. Mind doing so, if i run in to anything else, ill hold it back for a complete email. again my copy is from the CVS. --- Glenn R. Martin lifewarped@yahoo.com http://www.xargos.com http://www.myspace.com/grmartin C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg. -- Bjarne Stroustrup --Apple-Mail-2-813985806 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 MacOS X has the login_tty() = definition in its <util.h> header which does not seem to be = included by your=A0libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-pty.{c,h} file. Mind doing so, = if i run in to anything else, ill hold it back for a complete = email.

again my copy is from the = CVS.

---
Glenn R. = Martin
C makes it easy to shoot yourself in = the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole = leg. -- Bjarne Stroustrup

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= --Apple-Mail-2-813985806-- From chris@gnome-de.org Thu Jun 22 08:11:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99F493B0691 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:11:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23409-09 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.bytecamp.net (mail.bytecamp.net [212.204.60.9]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C20CC3B05EE for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:11:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 40576 invoked by uid 85); 22 Jun 2006 12:11:51 -0000 Received: from chris@gnome-de.org by mail.bytecamp.net by uid 88 with qmail-scanner-1.20 (clamscan: 0.88.1 Clear:RC:0(84.150.143.65):. 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(chris@gnome-de.org@84.150.143.65) by mail.bytecamp.net with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 22 Jun 2006 12:11:51 -0000 Subject: Re: [PATCH] Improve docs, new attempt From: Christian Neumair To: Chipzz@ULYSSIS.Org In-Reply-To: References: <1150652208.22660.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:11:45 +0200 Message-Id: <1150978306.5236.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.586 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.013, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.586 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:11:59 -0000 Am Dienstag, den 20.06.2006, 03:42 +0200 schrieb Chipzz: > I only read about half of your patch, and not even all of it carefully, but > here are a couple of suggestions: > (...) > -> "The file is a regular file" > -> %S_ISDIR and %S_ISREG are swapped. > > + * @GNOME_VFS_PERM_USER_READ: Owner has read permission. > etc... > > -> permission*s* ? Permission*s* for ALL but permission (without a trailing s) for the rest, i.e. READ, WRITE, EXECUTE. > (...) Thanks for your worthy suggestions, I've included almost all of them. Alex just looked through the patch as well and allowed me to commit it :). -- Christian Neumair From chris@gnome-de.org Fri Jun 30 06:36:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE3B03B024A for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 06:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11809-10 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 06:36:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.bytecamp.net (mail.bytecamp.net [212.204.60.9]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 138D63B02A2 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 06:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 59971 invoked by uid 85); 30 Jun 2006 10:36:00 -0000 Received: from chris@gnome-de.org by mail.bytecamp.net by uid 88 with qmail-scanner-1.20 (clamscan: 0.88.1 Clear:RC:0(84.150.198.8):. 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(chris@gnome-de.org@84.150.198.8) by mail.bytecamp.net with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 30 Jun 2006 10:35:59 -0000 Subject: proposed asynchronous gnome_vfs_url_show implementation waiting for review From: Christian Neumair To: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:35:57 +0200 Message-Id: <1151663758.5262.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.586 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.013, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.586 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:36:08 -0000 See http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337002 We need this both for the Panel and for Nautilus. -- Christian Neumair From alexl@redhat.com Thu Jun 1 04:19:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 680983B0C81 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 04:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16118-02 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 04:19:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2B843B0C95 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 04:19:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k518JCYk032595; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 04:19:12 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k518JCBf005878; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 04:19:12 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k518J9Kt016649; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 04:19:10 -0400 From: Alexander Larsson To: David Zeuthen In-Reply-To: <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> References: <1148314063.5168.4.camel@localhost> <1148387730.19301.22.camel@greebo> <1148406054.5009.24.camel@localhost> <1148456225.19301.38.camel@greebo> <1148486395.4735.26.camel@greebo> <1148499503.5171.7.camel@localhost> <1148904283.16920.11.camel@greebo> <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:19:10 +0200 Message-Id: <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.587 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.587 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: [PATCH] computer:/// should display all drives, not only user-visible ones X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 08:19:18 -0000 On Wed, 2006-05-31 at 18:36 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: > Hi, > > Any reason this is not on the list? Also, please use my david@fubar.dk > email address since that's what I'm using for GNOME stuff. I dunno, it got removed at some point. I'm adding it back. > On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 14:04 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-05-24 at 21:38 +0200, Xavier Claessens wrote: > > > Le mercredi 24 mai 2006 à 17:59 +0200, Alexander Larsson a écrit : > > > > Here is the thing. I don't expect there to be a GnomeVFSDrive for > > > > the /home volume (which i assume is a normal mountpoint on another > > > > partition). We should only have drive objects for real removable media > > > > mountpoints. > > > > > > I join a simple program I made which lists all your drives and volumes > > > and says if they are user visible. It's what helped me understand how > > > GnomeVFS works :-) > > > > This seems to be a bug in the hal version of the monitoring. We're not > > supposed to be creating drive objects for all harddrives in the system. > > A Drive is supposed to be something you can insert a removable volume > > in, like a cdrom reader, a floppy reader, or a usb card reader. On my > > system hal creates a drive for e.g. /mnt/hdb1 which is a normal ext3 > > filesystem mounted at roottime and not user-mountable. This shouldn't > > only exist in the volume monitor as a non-user_visible volume, not as a > > drive. This used to be papered over in computer:// since the volumes for > > the drives were always mounted and not user-visible, so they got > > hidden. > > > > David, I don't really know the hal stuff. Could you look into this? > > So I'm not really sure why we want this difference you are describing. > In fact I'd argue that we indeed want to show volumes from e.g. the > internal hard disk for e.g. your Windows and OS X partitions. > > And this indeed requires a GnomeVFSDrive because the partition may not > be mounted and we only have a GnomeVFSVolume for a GnomeVFSDrive when > the partition the GnomeVFSDrive represents is actually mounted (that's > my understanding of the how Gnome VFS works). The initial design for drives was to represent devices that use removable media (such as cdrom drives, floppy drives, usb card readers, etc). For these devices the operations on the device are "natural" to the user. Its true that one can also view them as just "possible mountpoints for volumes", which means you could have a drive for your OSX or windows partition. However, when you expose this in the UI you suddenly turn a very explicit obvious hardware mapping into a way to expose the much more vague and complicated unix operation of "mounting a filesystem". I.E. you remove the mapping from icons in the UI to hardware units you can put stuff into. If you take the view of a non-unix person (i.e. one unaware of the details of mountpoints etc) using a Gnome desktop with a separate HD you have basically three cases. Either the partition is mounted, the user is allowed to mount the partition, or the user isn't allowed to mount the partition. In the first case we clearly should show a volume icon, and in the last case i argue that we should never show a drive icon (it would do nothing but confuse people). The question is what to in the second case. In an ideal desktop system I don't think that state really is very useful. What non-sysadmin-related use would you have for not mounting that volume if you are allowed to mount it anyway? In the case on a non-ideal unix system the question gets complicated and turns into a question about whether the mountpoint is an "internal implementation detail" of the filesystem mount tree or not, and this becomes very similar to the question whether to expand symlinks or not (don't expand /home to /mnt/hdb/home, but expand ~/Desktop/music to ~/Documents/MyMusic). Some cases are simple, you never want to display /, /proc, /sys, /dev/pts, /boot, etc. However, for others things are not so easy. I have for instance /mnt/hdb1 on my system where i have symlinks like /opt -> /mnt/hdb1/opt. I wouldn't want to display this. Whether to show such drives or not is clearly a complicated, system-dependent issue and should be solved in the lower layers, and not solved in each app using gnome-vfs. The change that resulted in this being an acute problem was that we decided to hide drives that support auto-mount in all places but computer:// by using the is_user_visible flag of the drive. Doing this means that flag is used for that and can't also be used to flag whether a drive is "internal" or not. I think just not having drive objects for internal mountpoints is the easiest solution to this. > So I think what you want is to hide is exactly volumes that are mounted > on traditional FHS mount points, e.g. /, /usr. I can't see why we should > enforce this policy in Gnome VFS when the bits above (e.g. Nautilus, > Filechooser) can handle this much better? I don't understand how you think nautilus can handle this better? =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a gun-slinging voodoo master criminal whom everyone believes is mad. She's a strong-willed impetuous detective descended from a line of powerful witches. They fight crime! From xclaesse@gmail.com Sun Jun 4 17:08:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 948253B01AC for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10855-08 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:08:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outmx018.isp.belgacom.be (outmx018.isp.belgacom.be [195.238.4.117]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7837F3B016C for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outmx018.isp.belgacom.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outmx018.isp.belgacom.be (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Skynet-OUT-2.22) with ESMTP id k54L8WOP014717 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 23:08:32 +0200 (envelope-from ) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (85-212.242.81.adsl.skynet.be [81.242.212.85]) by outmx018.isp.belgacom.be (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Skynet-OUT-2.22) with ESMTP id k54L8V56014703; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 23:08:31 +0200 (envelope-from ) From: Xavier Claessens To: Alexander Larsson In-Reply-To: <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> References: <1148314063.5168.4.camel@localhost> <1148387730.19301.22.camel@greebo> <1148406054.5009.24.camel@localhost> <1148456225.19301.38.camel@greebo> <1148486395.4735.26.camel@greebo> <1148499503.5171.7.camel@localhost> <1148904283.16920.11.camel@greebo> <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-OBWowAwOL3MMyW2FiPT8" Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 23:08:31 +0200 Message-Id: <1149455311.15249.18.camel@zdra-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.005 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.475, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_NEUTRAL=1.069] X-Spam-Score: -2.005 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" , David Zeuthen Subject: Re: [PATCH] computer:/// should display all drives, not only user-visible ones X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 21:08:44 -0000 --=-OBWowAwOL3MMyW2FiPT8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Le jeudi 01 juin 2006 =C3=A0 10:19 +0200, Alexander Larsson a =C3=A9crit : > On Wed, 2006-05-31 at 18:36 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: > > Hi, > >=20 > > Any reason this is not on the list? Also, please use my david@fubar.dk > > email address since that's what I'm using for GNOME stuff. >=20 > I dunno, it got removed at some point. I'm adding it back. >=20 > > On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 14:04 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > > On Wed, 2006-05-24 at 21:38 +0200, Xavier Claessens wrote: > > > > Le mercredi 24 mai 2006 =C3=A0 17:59 +0200, Alexander Larsson a =C3= =A9crit : > > > > > Here is the thing. I don't expect there to be a GnomeVFSDrive for > > > > > the /home volume (which i assume is a normal mountpoint on anothe= r > > > > > partition). We should only have drive objects for real removable = media > > > > > mountpoints. > > > >=20 > > > > I join a simple program I made which lists all your drives and volu= mes > > > > and says if they are user visible. It's what helped me understand h= ow > > > > GnomeVFS works :-) > > >=20 > > > This seems to be a bug in the hal version of the monitoring. We're no= t > > > supposed to be creating drive objects for all harddrives in the syste= m. > > > A Drive is supposed to be something you can insert a removable volume > > > in, like a cdrom reader, a floppy reader, or a usb card reader. On my > > > system hal creates a drive for e.g. /mnt/hdb1 which is a normal ext3 > > > filesystem mounted at roottime and not user-mountable. This shouldn't > > > only exist in the volume monitor as a non-user_visible volume, not as= a > > > drive. This used to be papered over in computer:// since the volumes = for > > > the drives were always mounted and not user-visible, so they got > > > hidden.=20 > > >=20 > > > David, I don't really know the hal stuff. Could you look into this? > >=20 > > So I'm not really sure why we want this difference you are describing. > > In fact I'd argue that we indeed want to show volumes from e.g. the > > internal hard disk for e.g. your Windows and OS X partitions.=20 > >=20 > > And this indeed requires a GnomeVFSDrive because the partition may not > > be mounted and we only have a GnomeVFSVolume for a GnomeVFSDrive when > > the partition the GnomeVFSDrive represents is actually mounted (that's > > my understanding of the how Gnome VFS works). >=20 > The initial design for drives was to represent devices that use > removable media (such as cdrom drives, floppy drives, usb card readers, > etc). For these devices the operations on the device are "natural" to > the user. Its true that one can also view them as just "possible > mountpoints for volumes", which means you could have a drive for your > OSX or windows partition. However, when you expose this in the UI you > suddenly turn a very explicit obvious hardware mapping into a way to > expose the much more vague and complicated unix operation of "mounting a > filesystem". I.E. you remove the mapping from icons in the UI to > hardware units you can put stuff into. >=20 > If you take the view of a non-unix person (i.e. one unaware of the > details of mountpoints etc) using a Gnome desktop with a separate HD > you have basically three cases. Either the partition is mounted, the > user is allowed to mount the partition, or the user isn't allowed to > mount the partition. In the first case we clearly should show a volume > icon, and in the last case i argue that we should never show a drive > icon (it would do nothing but confuse people).=20 >=20 > The question is what to in the second case. In an ideal desktop system I > don't think that state really is very useful. What non-sysadmin-related > use would you have for not mounting that volume if you are allowed to > mount it anyway? In the case on a non-ideal unix system the question > gets complicated and turns into a question about whether the mountpoint > is an "internal implementation detail" of the filesystem mount tree or > not, and this becomes very similar to the question whether to expand > symlinks or not (don't expand /home to /mnt/hdb/home, but expand > ~/Desktop/music to ~/Documents/MyMusic). Some cases are simple, you > never want to display /, /proc, /sys, /dev/pts, /boot, etc. However, for > others things are not so easy. I have for instance /mnt/hdb1 on my > system where i have symlinks like /opt -> /mnt/hdb1/opt. I wouldn't want > to display this. >=20 > Whether to show such drives or not is clearly a complicated, > system-dependent issue and should be solved in the lower layers, and not > solved in each app using gnome-vfs. >=20 > The change that resulted in this being an acute problem was that we > decided to hide drives that support auto-mount in all places but > computer:// by using the is_user_visible flag of the drive. Doing this > means that flag is used for that and can't also be used to flag whether > a drive is "internal" or not. I think just not having drive objects for > internal mountpoints is the easiest solution to this. >=20 > > So I think what you want is to hide is exactly volumes that are mounted > > on traditional FHS mount points, e.g. /, /usr. I can't see why we shoul= d > > enforce this policy in Gnome VFS when the bits above (e.g. Nautilus, > > Filechooser) can handle this much better? >=20 > I don't understand how you think nautilus can handle this better?=20 >=20 I think we can't do everything with only an user_visible flag. There is 2 different concepts: first the user_visible itself which should be used to hide partition's drives and other useless drives, second the auto-mountable property. I suggest to make something like: gboolean gnome_vfs_drive_is_auto_mountable (GnomeVFSDrive*); Like that we display all user_visible drives in computer:/// (including unmounted cdroms) but we only show user_visible && !auto_moutable drive in nautilus's place sidebar. I don't know how will GtkFileChooser work with that, because it should so see the auto_mount flag and hide automountable drives... Currently it seems that it follows the user_visible flag, at least when using gnomeVFS backend. I you are OK with this idea I can make patches for GnomeVFS/Nautilus 2.15.x For the other problem, which is computer:/// doesn't handle multi-volume drives, what about just updating the drive's icon when the first volume comes (like now in most cases) and if we get more volumes we add files like I did in my first patch. What do you think about that ? Xavier Claessens. --=-OBWowAwOL3MMyW2FiPT8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Ceci est une partie de message =?ISO-8859-1?Q?num=E9riquement?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_sign=E9e?= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEg0vO6dEBUn2qPAMRAvTuAJ9ntPlAFivY6fFkxmdvJcY47+BPFgCfU8uo 02AtDX37Xa3rjeu3Tck07hg= =Mgs1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-OBWowAwOL3MMyW2FiPT8-- From xclaesse@gmail.com Sun Jun 4 17:19:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 373613B0311 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11487-02 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outmx006.isp.belgacom.be (outmx006.isp.belgacom.be [195.238.4.99]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A36623B01B7 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outmx006.isp.belgacom.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outmx006.isp.belgacom.be (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Skynet-OUT-2.22) with ESMTP id k54LJTW9004701 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 23:19:30 +0200 (envelope-from ) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (85-212.242.81.adsl.skynet.be [81.242.212.85]) by outmx006.isp.belgacom.be (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Skynet-OUT-2.22) with ESMTP id k54LJQOB004670 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 23:19:27 +0200 (envelope-from ) From: Xavier Claessens To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-H/k/fxPKXIxMmyFvNdyr" Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 23:19:26 +0200 Message-Id: <1149455967.15249.30.camel@zdra-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.003 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.473, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_NEUTRAL=1.069] X-Spam-Score: -2.003 X-Spam-Level: Subject: volume-unmounted signal on GnomeVFSDrive X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 21:19:35 -0000 --=-H/k/fxPKXIxMmyFvNdyr Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, As I understand the "volume-unmounted" signal is emitted before the volume unmounted is really removed from the drive. So in the callback, if we run gnome_vfs_drive_get_mounted_volumes() it will return a GList still containing the unmounted GnomeVFSVolume. I think it should be very useful to have a callback after everything is done. For example in nautilus'places sidebar when we get the "volume-unmounted" callback we can't update the sidebar yet because the drive still has the volume connected... so we add a g_idle_add() to have a callback after everything is done and then we can update the sidebar. I think that's more a workaround than a real solution. What about adding in GnomeVFSDrive and GnomeVFSVolumeMonitor a "volume-post-unmount" callback (we already have a "volume-pre-unmount" cb) ? I you are OK with the idea I can make a patch. Xavier Claessens. --=-H/k/fxPKXIxMmyFvNdyr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Ceci est une partie de message =?ISO-8859-1?Q?num=E9riquement?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_sign=E9e?= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEg05e6dEBUn2qPAMRArR9AKCAmWMgqHE/lg5Ub8z2UhNQafssNgCffgDr h5y25qZ9aTpyf3qPuFAFv0w= =yGzq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-H/k/fxPKXIxMmyFvNdyr-- From keni4i@yahoo.com Sun Jun 4 15:51:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BB533B017A for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 15:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07508-01 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 15:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web61323.mail.yahoo.com (web61323.mail.yahoo.com [209.73.179.77]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 530A33B0101 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 15:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 83293 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jun 2006 19:51:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=prZjog0TXPnF+wlE8LBjO9ySalKcONTauN625ePWqsxA6/eYIQZOrZWunGBSRW20iSnr/iiWsHPBFthOeIqLOsLexDW7T3aTYgwjucP/yQ1qjDWlisdhLiDAzsEwmX8lzYFi+yno63B1RiIoGz7A13QEW8nvwxcZyJ8QEYBNRec= ; Message-ID: <20060604195153.83291.qmail@web61323.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.100.226.12] by web61323.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 12:51:53 PDT Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 12:51:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Ken Ishii To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.119 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.767, BAYES_50=0.001, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447] X-Spam-Score: -0.119 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 18:29:01 -0400 Subject: gnome_vfs_uri_hash() bug? X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 19:51:57 -0000 gnome_vfs_uri_hash() has the following code section: for (uri_p = uri; uri_p != NULL; uri_p = uri_p->parent) { HASH_STRING (hash_value, uri_p->text); HASH_STRING (hash_value, uri_p->method_string); if (uri_p->parent != NULL) { const GnomeVFSToplevelURI *toplevel; toplevel = (const GnomeVFSToplevelURI *) uri_p; Since GnomeVFSToplevelURI is defined to be an URI without a parent, shouldn't if (uri_p->parent != NULL) be if (uri_p->parent == NULL) instead? Ken Ishii __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From david@fubar.dk Mon Jun 5 17:57:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E8BB3B0625 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 17:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02934-09 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 17:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from davidz.fubar.dk (unknown [208.184.5.49]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 264F33B03A0 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 17:57:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.115] (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by davidz.fubar.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id C71269CE06B; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 17:56:59 -0400 (EDT) From: David Zeuthen To: Alexander Larsson In-Reply-To: <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> References: <1148314063.5168.4.camel@localhost> <1148387730.19301.22.camel@greebo> <1148406054.5009.24.camel@localhost> <1148456225.19301.38.camel@greebo> <1148486395.4735.26.camel@greebo> <1148499503.5171.7.camel@localhost> <1148904283.16920.11.camel@greebo> <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 17:58:06 -0400 Message-Id: <1149544687.5951.56.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.2.1 (2.7.2.1-4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.567 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.032, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.567 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: [PATCH] computer:/// should display all drives, not only user-visible ones X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:57:05 -0000 Hi, Sorry for the late reply, On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 10:19 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > So I'm not really sure why we want this difference you are describing. > > In fact I'd argue that we indeed want to show volumes from e.g. the > > internal hard disk for e.g. your Windows and OS X partitions. > > > > And this indeed requires a GnomeVFSDrive because the partition may not > > be mounted and we only have a GnomeVFSVolume for a GnomeVFSDrive when > > the partition the GnomeVFSDrive represents is actually mounted (that's > > my understanding of the how Gnome VFS works). > > The initial design for drives was to represent devices that use > removable media (such as cdrom drives, floppy drives, usb card readers, > etc). For these devices the operations on the device are "natural" to > the user. Its true that one can also view them as just "possible > mountpoints for volumes", which means you could have a drive for your > OSX or windows partition. However, when you expose this in the UI you > suddenly turn a very explicit obvious hardware mapping into a way to > expose the much more vague and complicated unix operation of "mounting a > filesystem". I.E. you remove the mapping from icons in the UI to > hardware units you can put stuff into. As a user I'm not really sure there is a huge difference between "Macintosh HD" and "1GB Compact Flash media". Both contains files I'm interested in using, I don't care where they come from. > If you take the view of a non-unix person (i.e. one unaware of the > details of mountpoints etc) using a Gnome desktop with a separate HD > you have basically three cases. Either the partition is mounted, the > user is allowed to mount the partition, or the user isn't allowed to > mount the partition. In the first case we clearly should show a volume > icon, and in the last case i argue that we should never show a drive > icon (it would do nothing but confuse people). > > The question is what to in the second case. In an ideal desktop system I > don't think that state really is very useful. What non-sysadmin-related > use would you have for not mounting that volume if you are allowed to > mount it anyway? In the case on a non-ideal unix system the question > gets complicated and turns into a question about whether the mountpoint > is an "internal implementation detail" of the filesystem mount tree or > not, and this becomes very similar to the question whether to expand > symlinks or not (don't expand /home to /mnt/hdb/home, but expand > ~/Desktop/music to ~/Documents/MyMusic). Some cases are simple, you > never want to display /, /proc, /sys, /dev/pts, /boot, etc. However, for > others things are not so easy. I have for instance /mnt/hdb1 on my > system where i have symlinks like /opt -> /mnt/hdb1/opt. I wouldn't want > to display this. > > Whether to show such drives or not is clearly a complicated, > system-dependent issue and should be solved in the lower layers, and not > solved in each app using gnome-vfs. > > The change that resulted in this being an acute problem was that we > decided to hide drives that support auto-mount in all places but > computer:// by using the is_user_visible flag of the drive. Doing this > means that flag is used for that and can't also be used to flag whether > a drive is "internal" or not. I think just not having drive objects for > internal mountpoints is the easiest solution to this. Well, the reality is that lots of people dual or triple boot and they have files they care about on the Macintosh and Windows hard drives. And I don't think it's uncommon at all to attach removable drives formatted with e.g. HFS+ or NTFS. If security (we can't let the user automatically get full read access to e.g. an hfs+ fs on the Mac harddisk) and availability of file system driver code (NTFS write support is still not widely available) wasn't a concern this would be easy; we'd simply automount these with uid=500 and be done with it. We want this such that the user can access his files in e.g. /Users/davidz which has a different uid on the Mac OS X system (such as uid=1000). However, things are a lot more complicated. For example, if you have full write access (like when you mount with uid=500) to the root partition of another operating system as an unprivileged user (with uid=500) you can essentially change the password database on that fs and, bingo, what was previously a secure system before you put Linux (or whatever on it) now has issues. There's also things like EAL [1] that is important, e.g. we should be able to totally lock down the system such that you can't use it for anything, not even access your removable media. Surely, in this situation, we want to still show to the user that he got a card reader plugged in but that the organizational policy of his employer (or whatever) prevents him from using it. Perhaps, in the name of usability, we might give him a button titled "Request permission to use device" (would file a request to the IT department) when he clicks it or, if it's an administrator, he can put in his password or authenticate in other ways. This is where usability and security meets, fighting each other like cats and dogs. Can you see the dilemma? Like it or not, this is from the real world [2] and bills like Sarbanes-Oxley etc. don't make this *any* easier. This is why I started PolicyKit. PolicyKit and gnome-mount will help solve this problem though not in a very elegant way [3] but it will provide a "one-time-click" "solution" to the problem. Some might say the user looses here (just look at the recent Microsoft Vista reviews where the user is bombarded with dialogs) but we're still left with the dilemma mentioned above. And we do want (I believe) GNOME to be a viable contender on the desktop and that means we need to support lock-down and things like EAL and Sarbanes-Oxley. Just as we want it to work for home users who just wants to access that movie on the NTFS or hfs+ partition from his home directory on "that other operating system". The approach taken by PolicyKit and gnome-mount is best compromise I've come up with so far. I'm not convinced it's perfect though, and I haven't had time to complete it yet though things are slowly moving forward. So what am I trying to say? I'm trying to say it makes sense to show all drives and their mountable file systems notwithstanding the user might be allowed to access them. Because if they're not privileged they should at least get a chance to see the drive is there (otherwise you get "My drive didn't show up! Is the computer broken?") along with an explanation why they can't access it maybe even with a possibility to auth for access. > > So I think what you want is to hide is exactly volumes that are mounted > > on traditional FHS mount points, e.g. /, /usr. I can't see why we should > > enforce this policy in Gnome VFS when the bits above (e.g. Nautilus, > > Filechooser) can handle this much better? > > I don't understand how you think nautilus can handle this better? Agreed, yea, probably GNOME VFS would know best. David [1] : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evaluation_Assurance_Level [2] : http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20040916.html Search for "epoxy". [3] : See http://people.freedesktop.org/~david/perm-override/gnome-mount-perm-override-1.png http://people.freedesktop.org/~david/perm-override/gnome-mount-perm-override-2.png From alexl@redhat.com Wed Jun 7 02:58:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 730983B0342 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:58:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20729-09 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C47583B01B2 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:58:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k576wSRX026164; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:58:28 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k576wNdo031791; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:58:23 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k576wMrc020424; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:58:23 -0400 From: Alexander Larsson To: David Zeuthen In-Reply-To: <1149544687.5951.56.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> References: <1148314063.5168.4.camel@localhost> <1148387730.19301.22.camel@greebo> <1148406054.5009.24.camel@localhost> <1148456225.19301.38.camel@greebo> <1148486395.4735.26.camel@greebo> <1148499503.5171.7.camel@localhost> <1148904283.16920.11.camel@greebo> <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> <1149544687.5951.56.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 08:58:24 +0200 Message-Id: <1149663504.5416.123.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.587 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.587 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: [PATCH] computer:/// should display all drives, not only user-visible ones X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 06:58:31 -0000 On Mon, 2006-06-05 at 17:58 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: > So what am I trying to say? I'm trying to say it makes sense to show all > drives and their mountable file systems notwithstanding the user might > be allowed to access them. Because if they're not privileged they should > at least get a chance to see the drive is there (otherwise you get "My > drive didn't show up! Is the computer broken?") along with an > explanation why they can't access it maybe even with a possibility to > auth for access. I don't really follow your reasoning fully. I agree that users want to see their OSX and/or windows mounts from linux, but I think you over-empasize the "single user, dual boot, home desktop" usecase. In the case of more traditional sysadmined unix setups (at universities and whatnot) you'll have a bunch of bizzare mountpoints (nfs mounts, autofs mounts, tmpfs, /usr, /home, extra drives/partitions, etc). If we were to show all these, then I think things would look pretty confusing. I really think we need to hide a bunch of mountpoints. Some mountpoints can probably be hardcoded (like /proc, /tmp/, /home, /opt/*, /usr, and /boot), but we can never think of all possibilities, so we should probably have a way to mark them. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a benighted playboy dog-catcher whom everyone believes is mad. She's a sarcastic extravagent former first lady from a family of eight older brothers. They fight crime! From xclaesse@gmail.com Wed Jun 7 08:51:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 546413B0B28 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:51:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13070-01 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outmx007.isp.belgacom.be (outmx007.isp.belgacom.be [195.238.5.234]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A19F93B03C4 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outmx007.isp.belgacom.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outmx007.isp.belgacom.be (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Skynet-OUT-2.22) with ESMTP id k57Cow2U030006 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:51:03 +0200 (envelope-from ) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (68-220.242.81.adsl.skynet.be [81.242.220.68]) by outmx007.isp.belgacom.be (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Skynet-OUT-2.22) with ESMTP id k57CovMd029978; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:50:57 +0200 (envelope-from ) From: Xavier Claessens To: Alexander Larsson In-Reply-To: <1149663504.5416.123.camel@greebo> References: <1148314063.5168.4.camel@localhost> <1148387730.19301.22.camel@greebo> <1148406054.5009.24.camel@localhost> <1148456225.19301.38.camel@greebo> <1148486395.4735.26.camel@greebo> <1148499503.5171.7.camel@localhost> <1148904283.16920.11.camel@greebo> <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> <1149544687.5951.56.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149663504.5416.123.camel@greebo> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-hOGtOF5lpypbLjK1X4t7" Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:51:08 +0200 Message-Id: <1149684668.5095.1.camel@zdra-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.471, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_NEUTRAL=1.069] X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" , David Zeuthen Subject: Re: [PATCH] computer:/// should display all drives, not only user-visible ones X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:51:14 -0000 --=-hOGtOF5lpypbLjK1X4t7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Le mercredi 07 juin 2006 =C3=A0 08:58 +0200, Alexander Larsson a =C3=A9crit= : > On Mon, 2006-06-05 at 17:58 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: >=20 > > So what am I trying to say? I'm trying to say it makes sense to show al= l > > drives and their mountable file systems notwithstanding the user might > > be allowed to access them. Because if they're not privileged they shoul= d > > at least get a chance to see the drive is there (otherwise you get "My > > drive didn't show up! Is the computer broken?") along with an > > explanation why they can't access it maybe even with a possibility to > > auth for access. >=20 > I don't really follow your reasoning fully. I agree that users want to > see their OSX and/or windows mounts from linux, but I think you > over-empasize the "single user, dual boot, home desktop" usecase. In the > case of more traditional sysadmined unix setups (at universities and > whatnot) you'll have a bunch of bizzare mountpoints (nfs mounts, autofs > mounts, tmpfs, /usr, /home, extra drives/partitions, etc).=20 >=20 > If we were to show all these, then I think things would look pretty > confusing. I really think we need to hide a bunch of mountpoints. Some > mountpoints can probably be hardcoded > (like /proc, /tmp/, /home, /opt/*, /usr, and /boot), but we can never > think of all possibilities, so we should probably have a way to mark > them. >=20 We should only display "/media/*" and "/mnt/*" Xavier. --=-hOGtOF5lpypbLjK1X4t7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Ceci est une partie de message =?ISO-8859-1?Q?num=E9riquement?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_sign=E9e?= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEhsu76dEBUn2qPAMRApRBAJwNCLBuPyxCtkh0sIbICQBqpRGDFACfaN00 Kc9Uz6ZIjQ4wxsbbHO74ZG0= =Wmaq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-hOGtOF5lpypbLjK1X4t7-- From tomasek@ebed.etf.cuni.cz Wed Jun 7 08:55:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 864A63B0C97 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13300-04 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ebed.etf.cuni.cz (ebed.etf.cuni.cz [195.113.5.3]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E66983B03C4 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ebed.etf.cuni.cz (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ebed.etf.cuni.cz (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k57ChDPX029737 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:43:13 +0200 Received: (from tomasek@localhost) by ebed.etf.cuni.cz (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Submit) id k57ChDrV029735 for gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:43:13 +0200 Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:43:13 +0200 From: Petr Tomasek To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20060607124313.GA29329@ebed.etf.cuni.cz> References: <1148456225.19301.38.camel@greebo> <1148486395.4735.26.camel@greebo> <1148499503.5171.7.camel@localhost> <1148904283.16920.11.camel@greebo> <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> <1149544687.5951.56.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149663504.5416.123.camel@greebo> <1149684668.5095.1.camel@zdra-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1149684668.5095.1.camel@zdra-desktop> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Homepage: http://www.etf.cuni.cz/~tomasek/ X-Echelon: bomb Arafat Intifada bus kach drugs mafia boss heroin spy Semtex Saddam Al-Qaida Usama bin Ladin Bush Sharon X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.535 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.064, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.535 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: [PATCH] computer:/// should display all drives, not only user-visible ones X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:55:00 -0000 > > I don't really follow your reasoning fully. I agree that users want to > > see their OSX and/or windows mounts from linux, but I think you > > over-empasize the "single user, dual boot, home desktop" usecase. In the > > case of more traditional sysadmined unix setups (at universities and > > whatnot) you'll have a bunch of bizzare mountpoints (nfs mounts, autofs > > mounts, tmpfs, /usr, /home, extra drives/partitions, etc). > > > > If we were to show all these, then I think things would look pretty > > confusing. I really think we need to hide a bunch of mountpoints. Some > > mountpoints can probably be hardcoded > > (like /proc, /tmp/, /home, /opt/*, /usr, and /boot), but we can never > > think of all possibilities, so we should probably have a way to mark > > them. > > > > We should only display "/media/*" and "/mnt/*" > > Xavier. Please, let it be configurable! There are people who prefer mounting media under "/" (like "/cdrom", etc.) P.T. -- Petr Tomasek From david@fubar.dk Wed Jun 7 09:42:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 565EE3B03C1 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:42:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17395-02 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:42:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from davidz.fubar.dk (unknown [208.184.5.49]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8057D3B0229 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:42:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.115] (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by davidz.fubar.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CDC19CE06F; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:42:47 -0400 (EDT) From: David Zeuthen To: Xavier Claessens In-Reply-To: <1149684668.5095.1.camel@zdra-desktop> References: <1148314063.5168.4.camel@localhost> <1148387730.19301.22.camel@greebo> <1148406054.5009.24.camel@localhost> <1148456225.19301.38.camel@greebo> <1148486395.4735.26.camel@greebo> <1148499503.5171.7.camel@localhost> <1148904283.16920.11.camel@greebo> <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> <1149544687.5951.56.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149663504.5416.123.camel@greebo> <1149684668.5095.1.camel@zdra-desktop> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 09:43:54 -0400 Message-Id: <1149687834.2424.24.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.2.1 (2.7.2.1-4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.57 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.029, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.57 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" , Alexander Larsson Subject: Re: [PATCH] computer:/// should display all drives, not only user-visible ones X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:42:51 -0000 On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 14:51 +0200, Xavier Claessens wrote: > > I don't really follow your reasoning fully. I agree that users want to > > see their OSX and/or windows mounts from linux, but I think you > > over-empasize the "single user, dual boot, home desktop" usecase. In the > > case of more traditional sysadmined unix setups (at universities and > > whatnot) you'll have a bunch of bizzare mountpoints (nfs mounts, autofs > > mounts, tmpfs, /usr, /home, extra drives/partitions, etc). > > > > If we were to show all these, then I think things would look pretty > > confusing. I really think we need to hide a bunch of mountpoints. Some > > mountpoints can probably be hardcoded > > (like /proc, /tmp/, /home, /opt/*, /usr, and /boot), but we can never > > think of all possibilities, so we should probably have a way to mark > > them. Yea, of course we should hide such bizarre mount points. My point was merely we ought to show drives/mounts even if the user is not privileged to mount them. > > > > We should only display "/media/*" and "/mnt/*" Yup, that's one option, maybe just resort to showing entries from /media then alexl's /mnt/hdb1 drive won't be shown (and if alexl wants it to be shown he can move the mount point to /media). Personally I think we should just hide all the directories and subdirs as defined by FHS2.3. We do that here http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/gnome-vfs/libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-hal-mounts.c?view=markup in function _hal_volume_policy_check() though I'm unsure whether this code is used at the moment (will look into that). David From alexl@redhat.com Fri Jun 9 07:20:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF0E53B0097 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18633-05 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AB843B011C for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59BJwQm005302; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:19:58 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59BJwLZ006488; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:19:58 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59BJvoV024293; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:19:57 -0400 From: Alexander Larsson To: David Zeuthen In-Reply-To: <1149687834.2424.24.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> References: <1148314063.5168.4.camel@localhost> <1148387730.19301.22.camel@greebo> <1148406054.5009.24.camel@localhost> <1148456225.19301.38.camel@greebo> <1148486395.4735.26.camel@greebo> <1148499503.5171.7.camel@localhost> <1148904283.16920.11.camel@greebo> <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> <1149544687.5951.56.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149663504.5416.123.camel@greebo> <1149684668.5095.1.camel@zdra-desktop> <1149687834.2424.24.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 13:19:57 +0200 Message-Id: <1149851997.3023.51.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.587 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.587 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: [PATCH] computer:/// should display all drives, not only user-visible ones X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 11:20:05 -0000 On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 09:43 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 14:51 +0200, Xavier Claessens wrote: > > > I don't really follow your reasoning fully. I agree that users want to > > > see their OSX and/or windows mounts from linux, but I think you > > > over-empasize the "single user, dual boot, home desktop" usecase. In the > > > case of more traditional sysadmined unix setups (at universities and > > > whatnot) you'll have a bunch of bizzare mountpoints (nfs mounts, autofs > > > mounts, tmpfs, /usr, /home, extra drives/partitions, etc). > > > > > > If we were to show all these, then I think things would look pretty > > > confusing. I really think we need to hide a bunch of mountpoints. Some > > > mountpoints can probably be hardcoded > > > (like /proc, /tmp/, /home, /opt/*, /usr, and /boot), but we can never > > > think of all possibilities, so we should probably have a way to mark > > > them. > > Yea, of course we should hide such bizarre mount points. My point was > merely we ought to show drives/mounts even if the user is not privileged > to mount them. > > > > > > > > We should only display "/media/*" and "/mnt/*" > > Yup, that's one option, maybe just resort to showing entries from /media > then alexl's /mnt/hdb1 drive won't be shown (and if alexl wants it to be > shown he can move the mount point to /media). Personally I think we > should just hide all the directories and subdirs as defined by FHS2.3. > We do that here > > http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/gnome-vfs/libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-hal-mounts.c?view=markup > > in function _hal_volume_policy_check() though I'm unsure whether this > code is used at the moment (will look into that). Well, the bug report: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341446 showed drives for things like / and /home. So something is going wrong here. I see a _hal_drive_policy_check that is empty though. Anyway, what i think we should do is: Have a policy for what mountpoints to create drives for. Be it by blacklisting or whitelisting. If the policy says the mountpoint shouldn't have a drive then we don't even create one. Set is_user_visible to false on drives that support auto-mounting, so we can hide them everywhere but in computer:///. I think blacklisting will probably work well enough, but you probably need to add more stuff than just the toplevel FHS mountpoints, for instance /dev/shmem and common non-linux mountpoints. Also, it looks like you create drives based on currently mounted volumes that are not in fstab? This will generate a bunch of drives when using things like autofs for separate /home/ mountpoints and cause things like /proc/bus/usb to get drives. Does it ever make sense to create a drive object for a volume like this? It'll only live as long as the volume and you can't really use it for anything. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a time-tossed coffee-fuelled inventor on his last day in the job. She's a warm-hearted mutant research scientist from a different time and place. They fight crime! From alexl@redhat.com Fri Jun 9 07:21:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A75453B0121 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:21:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18661-08 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:21:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 573C53B006A for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:21:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59BLiIX005951; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:21:44 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59BLiWa006890; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:21:44 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59BLh8I024410; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:21:44 -0400 From: Alexander Larsson To: Ken Ishii In-Reply-To: <20060604195153.83291.qmail@web61323.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060604195153.83291.qmail@web61323.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 13:21:43 +0200 Message-Id: <1149852104.3023.53.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.587 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.587 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: gnome_vfs_uri_hash() bug? X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 11:21:46 -0000 On Sun, 2006-06-04 at 12:51 -0700, Ken Ishii wrote: > gnome_vfs_uri_hash() has the following code section: > > for (uri_p = uri; uri_p != NULL; uri_p = uri_p->parent) { > HASH_STRING (hash_value, uri_p->text); > HASH_STRING (hash_value, uri_p->method_string); > > if (uri_p->parent != NULL) { > const GnomeVFSToplevelURI *toplevel; > > toplevel = (const GnomeVFSToplevelURI *) uri_p; > > Since GnomeVFSToplevelURI is defined to be an URI without a parent, > shouldn't > if (uri_p->parent != NULL) > be > if (uri_p->parent == NULL) > instead? Yeah. That looks wrong. I'm fixing it in cvs. Thanks. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's an old-fashioned white trash romance novelist She's a bloodthirsty Buddhist bodyguard prone to fits of savage, blood-crazed rage. They fight crime! From alexl@redhat.com Mon Jun 12 05:38:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 296D33B00A7 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28453-10 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A0A33B008D for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5C9bL45019802; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:37:21 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5C9bG0T011686; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:37:16 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5C9bF3C014485; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:37:15 -0400 From: Alexander Larsson To: Xavier Claessens In-Reply-To: <1149455967.15249.30.camel@zdra-desktop> References: <1149455967.15249.30.camel@zdra-desktop> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:37:15 +0200 Message-Id: <1150105036.3023.95.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.587 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.587 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: volume-unmounted signal on GnomeVFSDrive X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:38:16 -0000 On Sun, 2006-06-04 at 23:19 +0200, Xavier Claessens wrote: > Hello, > > As I understand the "volume-unmounted" signal is emitted before the > volume unmounted is really removed from the drive. So in the callback, > if we run gnome_vfs_drive_get_mounted_volumes() it will return a GList > still containing the unmounted GnomeVFSVolume. > > I think it should be very useful to have a callback after everything is > done. For example in nautilus'places sidebar when we get the > "volume-unmounted" callback we can't update the sidebar yet because the > drive still has the volume connected... so we add a g_idle_add() to have > a callback after everything is done and then we can update the sidebar. > > I think that's more a workaround than a real solution. What about adding > in GnomeVFSDrive and GnomeVFSVolumeMonitor a "volume-post-unmount" > callback (we already have a "volume-pre-unmount" cb) ? > > I you are OK with the idea I can make a patch. You could just look at gnome_vfs_volume_is_mounted() in the volume-unmounted call and ignore things that are not mounted. We do set is_mounted before emitting the signal for things like this. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a deeply religious umbrella-wielding astronaut looking for a cure to the poison coursing through his veins. She's a green-fingered snooty femme fatale who can talk to animals. They fight crime! From alexl@redhat.com Mon Jun 12 06:12:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 084B93B0078 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:12:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29802-04 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BF913B009D for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5C9TFho017434; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:29:15 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5C9TF93010182; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:29:15 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5C9TEb4013434; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:29:14 -0400 From: Alexander Larsson To: Christian Neumair In-Reply-To: <1149010547.5256.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1149010547.5256.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:29:14 +0200 Message-Id: <1150104554.3023.93.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.549 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.025, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_FD=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.549 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" , Ken Ishii Subject: Re: Proposed (unfinished) ZIP module available on Bugzilla X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:12:18 -0000 On Tue, 2006-05-30 at 19:35 +0200, Christian Neumair wrote: > Dear GnomeVFS development community, > > as requested by Ken Ishii who needs a ZIP module, I'm publishing a > prelimitary version of a GnomeVFS ZIP module in Bugzilla [1]. People who > are interested in development should check out the bug report and help > out :). > > [1] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343419 It seems this uncompresses the file on open and then reads from that. I think this is the right approach, but there are some tricks you could use to make this nicer. What you do is create the uncompressed temp files (in /tmp) and then unlink the file, keeping the file descriptor around. This means the file is not visible in the filesystem, but the data for it is kept around until the last fd referencing it is closed. You store this fd in a cache, and then use dup() to get a new independent file descriptor to the file in do_open(). When the app is closed the kernel will close all fds and deallocate the filesystem space. So, doing things this way means you'll never leak tempfiles. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a lounge-singing albino vampire hunter who knows the secret of the alien invasion. She's a virginal punk traffic cop with an MBA from Harvard. They fight crime! From mclasen@redhat.com Mon Jun 12 22:40:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BAD63B0009 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07590-05 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3251E3B000C for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5D2MFId000486 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:22:15 -0400 Received: from lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (lacrosse.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.154]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5D2MFG6018613 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:22:15 -0400 Received: from [172.16.83.145] (vpn83-145.boston.redhat.com [172.16.83.145]) by lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k5D2MEWJ003165 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:22:14 -0400 From: Matthias Clasen To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Red Hat Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:24:01 -0400 Message-Id: <1150165441.4081.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.2.1 (2.7.2.1-4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.541 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.060, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.541 X-Spam-Level: Subject: gnome-mime-data dependency X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 02:40:48 -0000 During some Fedora package work I noticed that gnome-vfs still pulls in gnome-mime-data, which seems to be old and unmaintained. Alex tells me that it is needed for some deprecated mime apis. I think it would be nice to get rid of that dependency in 2.16. Matthias From bosshrap@zhwin.ch Tue Jun 13 10:41:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D47B3B000C for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26639-07 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a.mx.projectdream.org (eth0-0.yuffie.projectdream.org [194.88.212.200]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2806B3B00A5 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.0.11] (d213-103-155-97.cust.tele2.ch [213.103.155.97]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by a.mx.projectdream.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD3548811A for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:40:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <448ECE64.9030800@zhwin.ch> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:40:36 +0200 From: Raphael Bosshard User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060612) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Subject: [PATCH] Display binary prefix filesizes instead of decimal prefix filesizes (344296) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000304070805010006040703" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 08:09:00 -0400 X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:41:32 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000304070805010006040703 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit See http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344296 This patch changes the human readable filesizes (gnome_vfs_format_file_size_for_display) which are curently displayed (rather missleading) with binary prefix multipliers (such as Kilo, Mega, Giga) to more appropriate binary prefix multipiers (Kibi, Mebi, Gibi). The IEC approved standard symbols (KiB, MiB, GiB) are used. For more information please read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix So long, Raphael --------------000304070805010006040703 Content-Type: text/x-patch; name="gnome-vfs-display-binary-prefix.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="gnome-vfs-display-binary-prefix.patch" --- gnome-vfs-2.14.2/libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-utils.c 2006-03-03 10:28:21.000000000 +0100 +++ gnome-vfs-2.14.2-work/libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-utils.c 2006-06-10 23:03:40.983116272 +0200 @@ -51,9 +51,9 @@ #include #include -#define KILOBYTE_FACTOR 1024.0 -#define MEGABYTE_FACTOR (1024.0 * 1024.0) -#define GIGABYTE_FACTOR (1024.0 * 1024.0 * 1024.0) +#define KIBIBYTE_FACTOR 1024.0 +#define MEBIBYTE_FACTOR (1024.0 * 1024.0) +#define GIBIBYTE_FACTORFACTOR (1024.0 * 1024.0 * 1024.0) #define READ_CHUNK_SIZE 8192 @@ -74,22 +74,22 @@ gchar* gnome_vfs_format_file_size_for_display (GnomeVFSFileSize size) { - if (size < (GnomeVFSFileSize) KILOBYTE_FACTOR) { + if (size < (GnomeVFSFileSize) KIBIBYTE_FACTOR) { return g_strdup_printf (dngettext(GETTEXT_PACKAGE, "%u byte", "%u bytes",(guint) size), (guint) size); } else { gdouble displayed_size; - if (size < (GnomeVFSFileSize) MEGABYTE_FACTOR) { - displayed_size = (gdouble) size / KILOBYTE_FACTOR; - return g_strdup_printf (_("%.1f KB"), + if (size < (GnomeVFSFileSize) MEBIBYTE_FACTOR) { + displayed_size = (gdouble) size / KIBIBYTE_FACTOR; + return g_strdup_printf (_("%.1f KiB"), displayed_size); - } else if (size < (GnomeVFSFileSize) GIGABYTE_FACTOR) { - displayed_size = (gdouble) size / MEGABYTE_FACTOR; - return g_strdup_printf (_("%.1f MB"), + } else if (size < (GnomeVFSFileSize) GIBIBYTE_FACTORFACTOR) { + displayed_size = (gdouble) size / MEBIBYTE_FACTOR; + return g_strdup_printf (_("%.1f MiB"), displayed_size); } else { - displayed_size = (gdouble) size / GIGABYTE_FACTOR; - return g_strdup_printf (_("%.1f GB"), + displayed_size = (gdouble) size / GIBIBYTE_FACTORFACTOR; + return g_strdup_printf (_("%.1f GiB"), displayed_size); } } --------------000304070805010006040703-- From alexl@redhat.com Sat Jun 17 04:58:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 361533B042A for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 04:58:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15153-02 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 04:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 676533B010F for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 04:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5H8vMS8009846; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 04:57:22 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5H8vMxp026394; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 04:57:22 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5H8vL4b023197; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 04:57:21 -0400 Subject: Re: [PATCH] Display binary prefix filesizes instead of decimal prefix filesizes (344296) From: Alexander Larsson To: Raphael Bosshard In-Reply-To: <448ECE64.9030800@zhwin.ch> References: <448ECE64.9030800@zhwin.ch> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 10:57:21 +0200 Message-Id: <1150534641.1962.19.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.588 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.013, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.588 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 08:58:04 -0000 On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 16:40 +0200, Raphael Bosshard wrote: > See http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344296 > > This patch changes the human readable filesizes > (gnome_vfs_format_file_size_for_display) which are curently displayed > (rather missleading) with binary prefix multipliers (such as Kilo, Mega, > Giga) to more appropriate binary prefix multipiers (Kibi, Mebi, Gibi). > The IEC approved standard symbols (KiB, MiB, GiB) are used. > > For more information please read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix This has already been denied in bugs like: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127175 Which references mails like: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-doc-list/2003-December/msg00004.html and the gnome docs style guides: http://developer.gnome.org/documents/style-guide/units.html For what its worth I very much agree with Patrick. The binary prefixes are silly and nobody but anal-retentive ultra-geeks will understand them, thus confusing the general userbase (who haven't seen them before). =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a sword-wielding pirate librarian searching for his wife's true killer. She's a time-travelling junkie Hell's Angel in the wrong place at the wrong time. They fight crime! From nf2@scheinwelt.at Sun Jun 18 18:55:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 462013B00AF; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 18:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12908-03; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 18:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx-01.sil.at (mx-01.sil.at [86.59.12.198]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 208EC3B00B2; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 18:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vie-062-116-122-020.dsl.sil.at ([62.116.122.20] helo=[192.168.5.82]) by mx-01.sil.at with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Fs69X-0004Oc-Kv; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 00:54:01 +0200 Message-ID: <4495D984.5090705@scheinwelt.at> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 00:53:56 +0200 From: nf2 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gtk-list@gnome.org, gnome vfs list Subject: libxdg-vfs and Gtk-Filechooser Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scan-Signature: 9d02a3267670e8bb77f537b38fda5a39 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.51 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.012, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_XD=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.51 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 22:55:34 -0000 Hi, The experimental "libxdg-vfs" provides a generic interface to VFS libraries. It tries to autodetect the current desktop and then connects to Gnome-VFS or KIO by launching the backend executables xdg_vfs_gnome or xdg_vfs_kde. http://www.scheinwelt.at/~norbertf/dadapt/files/xdg_utils/doc/libxdg-vfs.html The target of "libxdg-vfs" would be giving applications access to ftp/smb shares etc... Of course this also involves bringing VFS access to filechoosers. AFAIK Gtk-Filechooser has pluggable backends (GtkFilesystem). It would be interesting if it could also run on top of "libxdg-vfs". The problem is, that i couldn't find any documentation how to implement a GtkFilesystem module. Could you please give me an introduction and maybe tell me about the specific requirements for a GtkFilesystem? Perhaps i need to provide more functions through "libxdg-vfs": listing and mounting Volumes, obtaining icon-paths,... Regards, Norbert From chris@gnome-de.org Sun Jun 18 13:44:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 349513B00E5 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05823-10 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.bytecamp.net (mail.bytecamp.net [212.204.60.9]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E77BC3B0009 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:44:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 45357 invoked by uid 85); 18 Jun 2006 17:36:58 -0000 Received: from chris@gnome-de.org by mail.bytecamp.net by uid 88 with qmail-scanner-1.20 (clamscan: 0.88.1 Clear:RC:0(84.150.153.121):. Processed in 7.089351 secs); 18 Jun 2006 17:36:58 -0000 Received: from p54969979.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (HELO ?192.168.123.112?) (chris@gnome-de.org@84.150.153.121) by mail.bytecamp.net with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 18 Jun 2006 17:36:51 -0000 Subject: [PATCH] Improve docs, new attempt From: Christian Neumair To: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-4cYgbTZAmh2zlaadTQGz" Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 19:36:47 +0200 Message-Id: <1150652208.22660.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.586 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.013, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.586 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:27:21 -0400 X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 17:44:45 -0000 --=-4cYgbTZAmh2zlaadTQGz Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've spent some more hours on GnomeVFS docs and the Xfer docs should be in a way better shape now. I got commit permission for the last one already, but this one is significantly larger (240 kB, but including the tmpl/ regeneration garbage). -- Christian Neumair --=-4cYgbTZAmh2zlaadTQGz Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=gnome-vfs-doc-3.diff.gz Content-Type: application/x-gzip; name=gnome-vfs-doc-3.diff.gz Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 H4sICK2OlUQAA2dub21lLXZmcy1kb2MtMy5kaWZmAMw8a3PbOJKfrV+Bnd3aSpai9fQzTsqKLE90 40fWkjPJ1VWxaBKSuKZILUHK1v366wb4AB+gZHtuspkpmQQajW6g0Q+gibFn0+dTMlyY3pxe+fPG x7f/a9wNJ2TmuPSUtKw1a809f0nFr76esVbaWXPdCGgYOHTteHMSwB/m+B7p7Hf7/aOG7cxmRI+I viJ6IMokOnVdz972Oj3yX5FHuu32IekcnvaPTg/aRG/Dv70Ym6ZpMvyxBH902uucdjoCvnF+TvTO 8UnzkGj4p9Mm5+cN0uCweruvdw8IIAocFjqmR25otDSdgJAzC8vOBZc23feD+Sdopu39g7jOAy9G 3v9xSga2TZZ+QIntW9GSeqEZAtf7Da2hvaYPrUEKfaQjrduBs6b71il5x8sMKDN4mTFzPNN1/pe+ b0LzUq3lL1dmQN+f1uBemK6+9CMvZNBBYyzkCFhqXZuPFGd/31z+GdJU6FIpU52SRHWOiEwrSlQB 2d4xQGxw6g9Ip3fa7sP/qVh1hFAVm1SI1oEsWofNI5As/IXXyXBwY9x+nY5vbyYfdZjTVUAtM6S2 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gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E7D03B03FC for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05344-05 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D01C83B03EE for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:38:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [82.165.27.189] (helo=hora-obscura.de) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwh2-1FsSHG2Dgc-0000IG; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:31:26 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.hora-obscura.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48519878042; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:31:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.hora-obscura.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 768D4878023; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:31:19 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: [PATCH] Improve docs, new attempt From: Stefan Kost To: Christian Neumair In-Reply-To: <1150652208.22660.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1150652208.22660.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:30:37 +0300 Message-Id: <1150756237.15396.6.camel@fluffy.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at hora-obscura.de X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:8eea7ddcf9c0cceb26830fe517b7ade3 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.496 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.026, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_GT=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.496 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 22:38:50 -0000 Hi Christian, Am Sonntag, den 18.06.2006, 19:36 +0200 schrieb Christian Neumair: > I've spent some more hours on GnomeVFS docs and the Xfer docs should be > in a way better shape now. I got commit permission for the last one > already, but this one is significantly larger (240 kB, but including the > tmpl/ regeneration garbage). I strongly recommend to move all docs to the source files and remove the tmpl files from cvs totaly. If developers use different versions of gtk-doc, commiting partialy generated files such as the files under tmpl/ can often cause conflicts like those we know with po/*.po files. Besides developers will more likely update docs when they are close to the sources. In case you are not aware, even the section docs can be added to the sources (see the gtk-doc manual in yelp). Stefan From chipzz@ULYSSIS.Org Mon Jun 19 21:43:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 471F03B015D for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:43:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15440-03 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.240.42]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4EC63B00D9 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43E5F1D75E5 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:42:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp03.kuleuven.be (antonius.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.240.73]) by rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E13C1D75DF for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:42:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.be (ray.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.be [193.190.253.198]) by smtp03.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47261332762 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:42:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 30541 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2006 01:42:20 -0000 Received: from ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.be (HELO ace.ulyssis.org) (193.190.253.208) by smtp.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.be with SMTP; 20 Jun 2006 01:42:20 -0000 Received: by ace.ulyssis.org (Postfix, from userid 1275) id 050F92EFE4; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:42:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ace.ulyssis.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E85052EFE3; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:42:19 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:42:19 +0200 (CEST) From: Chipzz To: Christian Neumair Subject: Re: [PATCH] Improve docs, new attempt In-Reply-To: <1150652208.22660.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: References: <1150652208.22660.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by KULeuven Antivirus Cluster X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.419 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.045, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.419 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: Chipzz@ULYSSIS.Org List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:43:10 -0000 I only read about half of your patch, and not even all of it carefully, but here are a couple of suggestions: + * Either way, it acts like #GnomeVFSXferProgressCallback + * would act in non-asynchronous mode. The differences in + * invocation are explained in the gnome_vfs_async_xfer() + * documentation documentation. -> 2x documentation. + * @GNOME_VFS_FILE_TYPE_REGULAR: The file is regular (stat: %S_ISDIR). + * @GNOME_VFS_FILE_TYPE_DIRECTORY: The file is a directory (stat: %S_ISREG). -> "The file is a regular file" -> %S_ISDIR and %S_ISREG are swapped. + * @GNOME_VFS_PERM_USER_READ: Owner has read permission. etc... -> permission*s* ? + * @GNOME_VFS_PERM_OTHER_ALL: Others have all permissionss. -> permission*ss* ! + * @block_count: The size of the file in 512-byte blocks (a #GnomeVFSFileSize), -> I may be totally wrong here, but isn't this filesystem dependant? kr, On Sun, 18 Jun 2006, Christian Neumair wrote: > I've spent some more hours on GnomeVFS docs and the Xfer docs should be > in a way better shape now. I got commit permission for the last one > already, but this one is significantly larger (240 kB, but including the > tmpl/ regeneration garbage). Chipzz AKA Jan Van Buggenhout -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ UNIX isn't dead - It just smells funny Chipzz@ULYSSIS.Org ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Baldric, you wouldn't recognize a subtle plan if it painted itself pur- ple and danced naked on a harpsicord singing 'subtle plans are here a- gain'." From bosshrap@zhwin.ch Tue Jun 20 09:25:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A5FA3B01A8 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:25:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17592-03 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a.mx.projectdream.org (eth0-0.yuffie.projectdream.org [194.88.212.200]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 765663B017D for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dskt6433.zhwin.ch (dskt6433.zhwin.ch [160.85.162.206]) by a.mx.projectdream.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 048688803B; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:24:23 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: [PATCH] Display binary prefix filesizes instead of decimal prefix filesizes (344296) From: Raphael Bosshard To: Alexander Larsson In-Reply-To: <1150534641.1962.19.camel@greebo> References: <448ECE64.9030800@zhwin.ch> <1150534641.1962.19.camel@greebo> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:24:20 +0200 Message-Id: <1150809860.15905.28.camel@numenor> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.11 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11] X-Spam-Score: -1.11 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:25:20 -0000 Hello there! > For what its worth I very much agree with Patrick. The binary prefixes > are silly and nobody but anal-retentive ultra-geeks will understand > them, thus confusing the general userbase (who haven't seen them > before). Well, that's strange. I never considered myself a "anal-retentive ultra-geek". And I certainly never thought that my sister would fit into the category of "anal-retentive ultra-geeks". And yet she was the one who brought up the topic when we upgraded her computer with a new hard disk last week. The disk was labeled "250 Gigabyte". Yet when we installed it,"only" 238 Gigabytes were available. I explained her that the disk manufacturer interpreted the term "Giga" in a other way then the software manufacturer. Being an "anal-retentive ultra-geek", she was bothered by this. My sister is by no means a technical person. But to her european decimalised mind "Kilo" means "a thousand" and not "a thousand and twenty four", just in the way that "Mega" means "a million" and not "one million four hundred forty nine thousand six hundred sixteen". It doesn't bother me, mind you. I know that in IT "Giga" doesn't mean "Giga". But I always thought that only "anal-retentive ultra-geeks" know that and I recently noticed it confuses the the general userbase (who haven't heard of that before). The strange thing is that almost everyone seems to agree (even Patrick) that binary prefixes are a good Idea. However; everyone seems to wait with the adaption of binary prefixes until everyone around has adapted them. Funny thing. I see no need to bother the documentation team; there is to much resistance against binary prefixes. So long, Raphael From alexl@redhat.com Tue Jun 20 09:50:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6D663B01A8 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18291-09 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3030F3B020B for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5KDo05r027617; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:50:00 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5KDo0Fm009656; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:50:00 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5KDnxEP016163; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:49:59 -0400 Subject: Re: [PATCH] Display binary prefix filesizes instead of decimal prefix filesizes (344296) From: Alexander Larsson To: Raphael Bosshard In-Reply-To: <1150809860.15905.28.camel@numenor> References: <448ECE64.9030800@zhwin.ch> <1150534641.1962.19.camel@greebo> <1150809860.15905.28.camel@numenor> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:49:59 +0200 Message-Id: <1150811399.16397.51.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.588 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.013, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.588 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:50:55 -0000 On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 15:24 +0200, Raphael Bosshard wrote: > > For what its worth I very much agree with Patrick. The binary prefixes > > are silly and nobody but anal-retentive ultra-geeks will understand > > them, thus confusing the general userbase (who haven't seen them > > before). > > Well, that's strange. I never considered myself a "anal-retentive > ultra-geek". And I certainly never thought that my sister would fit into > the category of "anal-retentive ultra-geeks". And yet she was the one > who brought up the topic when we upgraded her computer with a new hard > disk last week. The disk was labeled "250 Gigabyte". Yet when we > installed it,"only" 238 Gigabytes were available. I explained her that > the disk manufacturer interpreted the term "Giga" in a other way then > the software manufacturer. Being an "anal-retentive ultra-geek", she was > bothered by this. > > My sister is by no means a technical person. But to her european > decimalised mind "Kilo" means "a thousand" and not "a thousand and > twenty four", just in the way that "Mega" means "a million" and not "one > million four hundred forty nine thousand six hundred sixteen". I'm well aware of the problems with 1000/1024 multipliers. However, consider your sisters case if we used 238 gibibyte instead of 238 gigabyte. 1) We'd still show 238 instead of 250 which is listed which would cause your sister to wonder where the space went. 2) There would be a strange acronym in the UI that she had never seen before and didn't match what is commonly in use in ads, docs, hardware specifications etc. Its unfortunately true that terms like gigabyte and megabyte are very widespread and in active use by people who don't really know exactly what they mean. Changing this use is slow and hard. > It doesn't bother me, mind you. I know that in IT "Giga" doesn't mean > "Giga". But I always thought that only "anal-retentive ultra-geeks" know > that and I recently noticed it confuses the the general userbase (who > haven't heard of that before). > > The strange thing is that almost everyone seems to agree (even Patrick) > that binary prefixes are a good Idea. However; everyone seems to wait > with the adaption of binary prefixes until everyone around has adapted > them. Funny thing. This is almost always the case with such large (in terms of number of places/organizations it has to be changed) changes. I think its partly because the net gain of doing the change isn't really that large. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a one-legged soccer-playing rock star who hangs with the wrong crowd. She's a plucky goth nun from Mars. They fight crime! From lifewarped@yahoo.com Wed Jun 21 15:50:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F91D3B0266 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01152-09 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp109.plus.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp109.plus.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.53.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 424163B015F for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 56956 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2006 19:50:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.85?) (lifewarped@64.252.203.251 with plain) by smtp109.plus.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2006 19:50:29 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Message-Id: <647A0248-B8FA-4F26-8652-17718BEDAF37@yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-813535700 From: "Glenn R. Martin" Subject: IP6 and MacOS X Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:50:27 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.417 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.880, BAYES_40=-0.185, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.417 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 19:50:32 -0000 --Apple-Mail-1-813535700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Apple's Mac OS X predefines a macro named SIN6_LEN... However this macro appears to be nothing. I was wondering if i wouldnt be too much trouble to add the following to your gnome-vfs-address.c file so i would not have to add it next time? (im using todays CVS) Line 55, libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-address.c : #ifdef SIN6_LEN && __APPLE__ # undef SIN6_LEN #endif # define SIN6_LEN sizeof (struct sockaddr_in6) Thanks --- Glenn R. Martin lifewarped@yahoo.com http://www.xargos.com http://www.myspace.com/grmartin C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg. -- Bjarne Stroustrup --Apple-Mail-1-813535700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Apple's Mac OS X predefines a = macro named SIN6_LEN... However this macro appears to be nothing. I was = wondering if i wouldnt be too much trouble to add the following to your = gnome-vfs-address.c file so i would not have to add it next = time?

(im using = todays CVS)

Line = 55,=A0libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-address.c :

#ifdef SIN6_LEN = &&=A0__APPLE__
# undef = SIN6_LEN
#endif

# define SIN6_LEN=A0= =A0=A0 sizeof (struct sockaddr_in6)

Thanks

---
Glenn R. = Martin
C makes it easy to shoot yourself in = the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole = leg. -- Bjarne Stroustrup

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= --Apple-Mail-1-813535700-- From lifewarped@yahoo.com Wed Jun 21 15:58:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF823B0192 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02062-01 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:58:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp104.plus.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp104.plus.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.53.29]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AF9573B035A for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:58:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 63776 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2006 19:57:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.85?) (lifewarped@64.252.203.251 with plain) by smtp104.plus.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2006 19:57:59 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Message-Id: <2766644B-5FDA-44BF-BFA9-F0C4295F117E@yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-813985806 From: "Glenn R. Martin" Subject: login_tty on Mac OS X Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:57:57 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.823 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.361, BAYES_05=-1.11, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.823 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 19:58:02 -0000 --Apple-Mail-2-813985806 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed MacOS X has the login_tty() definition in its header which does not seem to be included by your libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-pty.{c,h} file. Mind doing so, if i run in to anything else, ill hold it back for a complete email. again my copy is from the CVS. --- Glenn R. Martin lifewarped@yahoo.com http://www.xargos.com http://www.myspace.com/grmartin C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg. -- Bjarne Stroustrup --Apple-Mail-2-813985806 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 MacOS X has the login_tty() = definition in its <util.h> header which does not seem to be = included by your=A0libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-pty.{c,h} file. Mind doing so, = if i run in to anything else, ill hold it back for a complete = email.

again my copy is from the = CVS.

---
Glenn R. = Martin
C makes it easy to shoot yourself in = the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole = leg. -- Bjarne Stroustrup

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= --Apple-Mail-2-813985806-- From chris@gnome-de.org Thu Jun 22 08:11:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99F493B0691 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:11:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23409-09 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.bytecamp.net (mail.bytecamp.net [212.204.60.9]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C20CC3B05EE for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:11:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 40576 invoked by uid 85); 22 Jun 2006 12:11:51 -0000 Received: from chris@gnome-de.org by mail.bytecamp.net by uid 88 with qmail-scanner-1.20 (clamscan: 0.88.1 Clear:RC:0(84.150.143.65):. 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(chris@gnome-de.org@84.150.143.65) by mail.bytecamp.net with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 22 Jun 2006 12:11:51 -0000 Subject: Re: [PATCH] Improve docs, new attempt From: Christian Neumair To: Chipzz@ULYSSIS.Org In-Reply-To: References: <1150652208.22660.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:11:45 +0200 Message-Id: <1150978306.5236.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.586 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.013, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.586 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:11:59 -0000 Am Dienstag, den 20.06.2006, 03:42 +0200 schrieb Chipzz: > I only read about half of your patch, and not even all of it carefully, but > here are a couple of suggestions: > (...) > -> "The file is a regular file" > -> %S_ISDIR and %S_ISREG are swapped. > > + * @GNOME_VFS_PERM_USER_READ: Owner has read permission. > etc... > > -> permission*s* ? Permission*s* for ALL but permission (without a trailing s) for the rest, i.e. READ, WRITE, EXECUTE. > (...) Thanks for your worthy suggestions, I've included almost all of them. Alex just looked through the patch as well and allowed me to commit it :). -- Christian Neumair From alexl@redhat.com Thu Jun 1 04:19:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 680983B0C81 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 04:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16118-02 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 04:19:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2B843B0C95 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 04:19:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k518JCYk032595; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 04:19:12 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k518JCBf005878; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 04:19:12 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k518J9Kt016649; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 04:19:10 -0400 From: Alexander Larsson To: David Zeuthen In-Reply-To: <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> References: <1148314063.5168.4.camel@localhost> <1148387730.19301.22.camel@greebo> <1148406054.5009.24.camel@localhost> <1148456225.19301.38.camel@greebo> <1148486395.4735.26.camel@greebo> <1148499503.5171.7.camel@localhost> <1148904283.16920.11.camel@greebo> <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:19:10 +0200 Message-Id: <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.587 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.587 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: [PATCH] computer:/// should display all drives, not only user-visible ones X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 08:19:18 -0000 On Wed, 2006-05-31 at 18:36 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: > Hi, > > Any reason this is not on the list? Also, please use my david@fubar.dk > email address since that's what I'm using for GNOME stuff. I dunno, it got removed at some point. I'm adding it back. > On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 14:04 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-05-24 at 21:38 +0200, Xavier Claessens wrote: > > > Le mercredi 24 mai 2006 à 17:59 +0200, Alexander Larsson a écrit : > > > > Here is the thing. I don't expect there to be a GnomeVFSDrive for > > > > the /home volume (which i assume is a normal mountpoint on another > > > > partition). We should only have drive objects for real removable media > > > > mountpoints. > > > > > > I join a simple program I made which lists all your drives and volumes > > > and says if they are user visible. It's what helped me understand how > > > GnomeVFS works :-) > > > > This seems to be a bug in the hal version of the monitoring. We're not > > supposed to be creating drive objects for all harddrives in the system. > > A Drive is supposed to be something you can insert a removable volume > > in, like a cdrom reader, a floppy reader, or a usb card reader. On my > > system hal creates a drive for e.g. /mnt/hdb1 which is a normal ext3 > > filesystem mounted at roottime and not user-mountable. This shouldn't > > only exist in the volume monitor as a non-user_visible volume, not as a > > drive. This used to be papered over in computer:// since the volumes for > > the drives were always mounted and not user-visible, so they got > > hidden. > > > > David, I don't really know the hal stuff. Could you look into this? > > So I'm not really sure why we want this difference you are describing. > In fact I'd argue that we indeed want to show volumes from e.g. the > internal hard disk for e.g. your Windows and OS X partitions. > > And this indeed requires a GnomeVFSDrive because the partition may not > be mounted and we only have a GnomeVFSVolume for a GnomeVFSDrive when > the partition the GnomeVFSDrive represents is actually mounted (that's > my understanding of the how Gnome VFS works). The initial design for drives was to represent devices that use removable media (such as cdrom drives, floppy drives, usb card readers, etc). For these devices the operations on the device are "natural" to the user. Its true that one can also view them as just "possible mountpoints for volumes", which means you could have a drive for your OSX or windows partition. However, when you expose this in the UI you suddenly turn a very explicit obvious hardware mapping into a way to expose the much more vague and complicated unix operation of "mounting a filesystem". I.E. you remove the mapping from icons in the UI to hardware units you can put stuff into. If you take the view of a non-unix person (i.e. one unaware of the details of mountpoints etc) using a Gnome desktop with a separate HD you have basically three cases. Either the partition is mounted, the user is allowed to mount the partition, or the user isn't allowed to mount the partition. In the first case we clearly should show a volume icon, and in the last case i argue that we should never show a drive icon (it would do nothing but confuse people). The question is what to in the second case. In an ideal desktop system I don't think that state really is very useful. What non-sysadmin-related use would you have for not mounting that volume if you are allowed to mount it anyway? In the case on a non-ideal unix system the question gets complicated and turns into a question about whether the mountpoint is an "internal implementation detail" of the filesystem mount tree or not, and this becomes very similar to the question whether to expand symlinks or not (don't expand /home to /mnt/hdb/home, but expand ~/Desktop/music to ~/Documents/MyMusic). Some cases are simple, you never want to display /, /proc, /sys, /dev/pts, /boot, etc. However, for others things are not so easy. I have for instance /mnt/hdb1 on my system where i have symlinks like /opt -> /mnt/hdb1/opt. I wouldn't want to display this. Whether to show such drives or not is clearly a complicated, system-dependent issue and should be solved in the lower layers, and not solved in each app using gnome-vfs. The change that resulted in this being an acute problem was that we decided to hide drives that support auto-mount in all places but computer:// by using the is_user_visible flag of the drive. Doing this means that flag is used for that and can't also be used to flag whether a drive is "internal" or not. I think just not having drive objects for internal mountpoints is the easiest solution to this. > So I think what you want is to hide is exactly volumes that are mounted > on traditional FHS mount points, e.g. /, /usr. I can't see why we should > enforce this policy in Gnome VFS when the bits above (e.g. Nautilus, > Filechooser) can handle this much better? I don't understand how you think nautilus can handle this better? =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a gun-slinging voodoo master criminal whom everyone believes is mad. She's a strong-willed impetuous detective descended from a line of powerful witches. They fight crime! From xclaesse@gmail.com Sun Jun 4 17:08:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 948253B01AC for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10855-08 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:08:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outmx018.isp.belgacom.be (outmx018.isp.belgacom.be [195.238.4.117]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7837F3B016C for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outmx018.isp.belgacom.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outmx018.isp.belgacom.be (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Skynet-OUT-2.22) with ESMTP id k54L8WOP014717 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 23:08:32 +0200 (envelope-from ) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (85-212.242.81.adsl.skynet.be [81.242.212.85]) by outmx018.isp.belgacom.be (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Skynet-OUT-2.22) with ESMTP id k54L8V56014703; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 23:08:31 +0200 (envelope-from ) From: Xavier Claessens To: Alexander Larsson In-Reply-To: <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> References: <1148314063.5168.4.camel@localhost> <1148387730.19301.22.camel@greebo> <1148406054.5009.24.camel@localhost> <1148456225.19301.38.camel@greebo> <1148486395.4735.26.camel@greebo> <1148499503.5171.7.camel@localhost> <1148904283.16920.11.camel@greebo> <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-OBWowAwOL3MMyW2FiPT8" Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 23:08:31 +0200 Message-Id: <1149455311.15249.18.camel@zdra-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.005 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.475, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_NEUTRAL=1.069] X-Spam-Score: -2.005 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" , David Zeuthen Subject: Re: [PATCH] computer:/// should display all drives, not only user-visible ones X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 21:08:44 -0000 --=-OBWowAwOL3MMyW2FiPT8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Le jeudi 01 juin 2006 =C3=A0 10:19 +0200, Alexander Larsson a =C3=A9crit : > On Wed, 2006-05-31 at 18:36 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: > > Hi, > >=20 > > Any reason this is not on the list? Also, please use my david@fubar.dk > > email address since that's what I'm using for GNOME stuff. >=20 > I dunno, it got removed at some point. I'm adding it back. >=20 > > On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 14:04 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > > On Wed, 2006-05-24 at 21:38 +0200, Xavier Claessens wrote: > > > > Le mercredi 24 mai 2006 =C3=A0 17:59 +0200, Alexander Larsson a =C3= =A9crit : > > > > > Here is the thing. I don't expect there to be a GnomeVFSDrive for > > > > > the /home volume (which i assume is a normal mountpoint on anothe= r > > > > > partition). We should only have drive objects for real removable = media > > > > > mountpoints. > > > >=20 > > > > I join a simple program I made which lists all your drives and volu= mes > > > > and says if they are user visible. It's what helped me understand h= ow > > > > GnomeVFS works :-) > > >=20 > > > This seems to be a bug in the hal version of the monitoring. We're no= t > > > supposed to be creating drive objects for all harddrives in the syste= m. > > > A Drive is supposed to be something you can insert a removable volume > > > in, like a cdrom reader, a floppy reader, or a usb card reader. On my > > > system hal creates a drive for e.g. /mnt/hdb1 which is a normal ext3 > > > filesystem mounted at roottime and not user-mountable. This shouldn't > > > only exist in the volume monitor as a non-user_visible volume, not as= a > > > drive. This used to be papered over in computer:// since the volumes = for > > > the drives were always mounted and not user-visible, so they got > > > hidden.=20 > > >=20 > > > David, I don't really know the hal stuff. Could you look into this? > >=20 > > So I'm not really sure why we want this difference you are describing. > > In fact I'd argue that we indeed want to show volumes from e.g. the > > internal hard disk for e.g. your Windows and OS X partitions.=20 > >=20 > > And this indeed requires a GnomeVFSDrive because the partition may not > > be mounted and we only have a GnomeVFSVolume for a GnomeVFSDrive when > > the partition the GnomeVFSDrive represents is actually mounted (that's > > my understanding of the how Gnome VFS works). >=20 > The initial design for drives was to represent devices that use > removable media (such as cdrom drives, floppy drives, usb card readers, > etc). For these devices the operations on the device are "natural" to > the user. Its true that one can also view them as just "possible > mountpoints for volumes", which means you could have a drive for your > OSX or windows partition. However, when you expose this in the UI you > suddenly turn a very explicit obvious hardware mapping into a way to > expose the much more vague and complicated unix operation of "mounting a > filesystem". I.E. you remove the mapping from icons in the UI to > hardware units you can put stuff into. >=20 > If you take the view of a non-unix person (i.e. one unaware of the > details of mountpoints etc) using a Gnome desktop with a separate HD > you have basically three cases. Either the partition is mounted, the > user is allowed to mount the partition, or the user isn't allowed to > mount the partition. In the first case we clearly should show a volume > icon, and in the last case i argue that we should never show a drive > icon (it would do nothing but confuse people).=20 >=20 > The question is what to in the second case. In an ideal desktop system I > don't think that state really is very useful. What non-sysadmin-related > use would you have for not mounting that volume if you are allowed to > mount it anyway? In the case on a non-ideal unix system the question > gets complicated and turns into a question about whether the mountpoint > is an "internal implementation detail" of the filesystem mount tree or > not, and this becomes very similar to the question whether to expand > symlinks or not (don't expand /home to /mnt/hdb/home, but expand > ~/Desktop/music to ~/Documents/MyMusic). Some cases are simple, you > never want to display /, /proc, /sys, /dev/pts, /boot, etc. However, for > others things are not so easy. I have for instance /mnt/hdb1 on my > system where i have symlinks like /opt -> /mnt/hdb1/opt. I wouldn't want > to display this. >=20 > Whether to show such drives or not is clearly a complicated, > system-dependent issue and should be solved in the lower layers, and not > solved in each app using gnome-vfs. >=20 > The change that resulted in this being an acute problem was that we > decided to hide drives that support auto-mount in all places but > computer:// by using the is_user_visible flag of the drive. Doing this > means that flag is used for that and can't also be used to flag whether > a drive is "internal" or not. I think just not having drive objects for > internal mountpoints is the easiest solution to this. >=20 > > So I think what you want is to hide is exactly volumes that are mounted > > on traditional FHS mount points, e.g. /, /usr. I can't see why we shoul= d > > enforce this policy in Gnome VFS when the bits above (e.g. Nautilus, > > Filechooser) can handle this much better? >=20 > I don't understand how you think nautilus can handle this better?=20 >=20 I think we can't do everything with only an user_visible flag. There is 2 different concepts: first the user_visible itself which should be used to hide partition's drives and other useless drives, second the auto-mountable property. I suggest to make something like: gboolean gnome_vfs_drive_is_auto_mountable (GnomeVFSDrive*); Like that we display all user_visible drives in computer:/// (including unmounted cdroms) but we only show user_visible && !auto_moutable drive in nautilus's place sidebar. I don't know how will GtkFileChooser work with that, because it should so see the auto_mount flag and hide automountable drives... Currently it seems that it follows the user_visible flag, at least when using gnomeVFS backend. I you are OK with this idea I can make patches for GnomeVFS/Nautilus 2.15.x For the other problem, which is computer:/// doesn't handle multi-volume drives, what about just updating the drive's icon when the first volume comes (like now in most cases) and if we get more volumes we add files like I did in my first patch. What do you think about that ? Xavier Claessens. --=-OBWowAwOL3MMyW2FiPT8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Ceci est une partie de message =?ISO-8859-1?Q?num=E9riquement?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_sign=E9e?= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEg0vO6dEBUn2qPAMRAvTuAJ9ntPlAFivY6fFkxmdvJcY47+BPFgCfU8uo 02AtDX37Xa3rjeu3Tck07hg= =Mgs1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-OBWowAwOL3MMyW2FiPT8-- From xclaesse@gmail.com Sun Jun 4 17:19:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 373613B0311 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11487-02 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outmx006.isp.belgacom.be (outmx006.isp.belgacom.be [195.238.4.99]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A36623B01B7 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outmx006.isp.belgacom.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outmx006.isp.belgacom.be (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Skynet-OUT-2.22) with ESMTP id k54LJTW9004701 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 23:19:30 +0200 (envelope-from ) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (85-212.242.81.adsl.skynet.be [81.242.212.85]) by outmx006.isp.belgacom.be (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Skynet-OUT-2.22) with ESMTP id k54LJQOB004670 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 23:19:27 +0200 (envelope-from ) From: Xavier Claessens To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-H/k/fxPKXIxMmyFvNdyr" Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 23:19:26 +0200 Message-Id: <1149455967.15249.30.camel@zdra-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.003 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.473, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_NEUTRAL=1.069] X-Spam-Score: -2.003 X-Spam-Level: Subject: volume-unmounted signal on GnomeVFSDrive X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 21:19:35 -0000 --=-H/k/fxPKXIxMmyFvNdyr Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, As I understand the "volume-unmounted" signal is emitted before the volume unmounted is really removed from the drive. So in the callback, if we run gnome_vfs_drive_get_mounted_volumes() it will return a GList still containing the unmounted GnomeVFSVolume. I think it should be very useful to have a callback after everything is done. For example in nautilus'places sidebar when we get the "volume-unmounted" callback we can't update the sidebar yet because the drive still has the volume connected... so we add a g_idle_add() to have a callback after everything is done and then we can update the sidebar. I think that's more a workaround than a real solution. What about adding in GnomeVFSDrive and GnomeVFSVolumeMonitor a "volume-post-unmount" callback (we already have a "volume-pre-unmount" cb) ? I you are OK with the idea I can make a patch. Xavier Claessens. --=-H/k/fxPKXIxMmyFvNdyr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Ceci est une partie de message =?ISO-8859-1?Q?num=E9riquement?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_sign=E9e?= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEg05e6dEBUn2qPAMRArR9AKCAmWMgqHE/lg5Ub8z2UhNQafssNgCffgDr h5y25qZ9aTpyf3qPuFAFv0w= =yGzq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-H/k/fxPKXIxMmyFvNdyr-- From keni4i@yahoo.com Sun Jun 4 15:51:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BB533B017A for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 15:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07508-01 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 15:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web61323.mail.yahoo.com (web61323.mail.yahoo.com [209.73.179.77]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 530A33B0101 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 15:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 83293 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jun 2006 19:51:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=prZjog0TXPnF+wlE8LBjO9ySalKcONTauN625ePWqsxA6/eYIQZOrZWunGBSRW20iSnr/iiWsHPBFthOeIqLOsLexDW7T3aTYgwjucP/yQ1qjDWlisdhLiDAzsEwmX8lzYFi+yno63B1RiIoGz7A13QEW8nvwxcZyJ8QEYBNRec= ; Message-ID: <20060604195153.83291.qmail@web61323.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.100.226.12] by web61323.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 12:51:53 PDT Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 12:51:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Ken Ishii To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.119 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.767, BAYES_50=0.001, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447] X-Spam-Score: -0.119 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 18:29:01 -0400 Subject: gnome_vfs_uri_hash() bug? X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 19:51:57 -0000 gnome_vfs_uri_hash() has the following code section: for (uri_p = uri; uri_p != NULL; uri_p = uri_p->parent) { HASH_STRING (hash_value, uri_p->text); HASH_STRING (hash_value, uri_p->method_string); if (uri_p->parent != NULL) { const GnomeVFSToplevelURI *toplevel; toplevel = (const GnomeVFSToplevelURI *) uri_p; Since GnomeVFSToplevelURI is defined to be an URI without a parent, shouldn't if (uri_p->parent != NULL) be if (uri_p->parent == NULL) instead? Ken Ishii __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From david@fubar.dk Mon Jun 5 17:57:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E8BB3B0625 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 17:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02934-09 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 17:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from davidz.fubar.dk (unknown [208.184.5.49]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 264F33B03A0 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 17:57:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.115] (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by davidz.fubar.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id C71269CE06B; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 17:56:59 -0400 (EDT) From: David Zeuthen To: Alexander Larsson In-Reply-To: <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> References: <1148314063.5168.4.camel@localhost> <1148387730.19301.22.camel@greebo> <1148406054.5009.24.camel@localhost> <1148456225.19301.38.camel@greebo> <1148486395.4735.26.camel@greebo> <1148499503.5171.7.camel@localhost> <1148904283.16920.11.camel@greebo> <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 17:58:06 -0400 Message-Id: <1149544687.5951.56.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.2.1 (2.7.2.1-4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.567 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.032, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.567 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: [PATCH] computer:/// should display all drives, not only user-visible ones X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:57:05 -0000 Hi, Sorry for the late reply, On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 10:19 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > So I'm not really sure why we want this difference you are describing. > > In fact I'd argue that we indeed want to show volumes from e.g. the > > internal hard disk for e.g. your Windows and OS X partitions. > > > > And this indeed requires a GnomeVFSDrive because the partition may not > > be mounted and we only have a GnomeVFSVolume for a GnomeVFSDrive when > > the partition the GnomeVFSDrive represents is actually mounted (that's > > my understanding of the how Gnome VFS works). > > The initial design for drives was to represent devices that use > removable media (such as cdrom drives, floppy drives, usb card readers, > etc). For these devices the operations on the device are "natural" to > the user. Its true that one can also view them as just "possible > mountpoints for volumes", which means you could have a drive for your > OSX or windows partition. However, when you expose this in the UI you > suddenly turn a very explicit obvious hardware mapping into a way to > expose the much more vague and complicated unix operation of "mounting a > filesystem". I.E. you remove the mapping from icons in the UI to > hardware units you can put stuff into. As a user I'm not really sure there is a huge difference between "Macintosh HD" and "1GB Compact Flash media". Both contains files I'm interested in using, I don't care where they come from. > If you take the view of a non-unix person (i.e. one unaware of the > details of mountpoints etc) using a Gnome desktop with a separate HD > you have basically three cases. Either the partition is mounted, the > user is allowed to mount the partition, or the user isn't allowed to > mount the partition. In the first case we clearly should show a volume > icon, and in the last case i argue that we should never show a drive > icon (it would do nothing but confuse people). > > The question is what to in the second case. In an ideal desktop system I > don't think that state really is very useful. What non-sysadmin-related > use would you have for not mounting that volume if you are allowed to > mount it anyway? In the case on a non-ideal unix system the question > gets complicated and turns into a question about whether the mountpoint > is an "internal implementation detail" of the filesystem mount tree or > not, and this becomes very similar to the question whether to expand > symlinks or not (don't expand /home to /mnt/hdb/home, but expand > ~/Desktop/music to ~/Documents/MyMusic). Some cases are simple, you > never want to display /, /proc, /sys, /dev/pts, /boot, etc. However, for > others things are not so easy. I have for instance /mnt/hdb1 on my > system where i have symlinks like /opt -> /mnt/hdb1/opt. I wouldn't want > to display this. > > Whether to show such drives or not is clearly a complicated, > system-dependent issue and should be solved in the lower layers, and not > solved in each app using gnome-vfs. > > The change that resulted in this being an acute problem was that we > decided to hide drives that support auto-mount in all places but > computer:// by using the is_user_visible flag of the drive. Doing this > means that flag is used for that and can't also be used to flag whether > a drive is "internal" or not. I think just not having drive objects for > internal mountpoints is the easiest solution to this. Well, the reality is that lots of people dual or triple boot and they have files they care about on the Macintosh and Windows hard drives. And I don't think it's uncommon at all to attach removable drives formatted with e.g. HFS+ or NTFS. If security (we can't let the user automatically get full read access to e.g. an hfs+ fs on the Mac harddisk) and availability of file system driver code (NTFS write support is still not widely available) wasn't a concern this would be easy; we'd simply automount these with uid=500 and be done with it. We want this such that the user can access his files in e.g. /Users/davidz which has a different uid on the Mac OS X system (such as uid=1000). However, things are a lot more complicated. For example, if you have full write access (like when you mount with uid=500) to the root partition of another operating system as an unprivileged user (with uid=500) you can essentially change the password database on that fs and, bingo, what was previously a secure system before you put Linux (or whatever on it) now has issues. There's also things like EAL [1] that is important, e.g. we should be able to totally lock down the system such that you can't use it for anything, not even access your removable media. Surely, in this situation, we want to still show to the user that he got a card reader plugged in but that the organizational policy of his employer (or whatever) prevents him from using it. Perhaps, in the name of usability, we might give him a button titled "Request permission to use device" (would file a request to the IT department) when he clicks it or, if it's an administrator, he can put in his password or authenticate in other ways. This is where usability and security meets, fighting each other like cats and dogs. Can you see the dilemma? Like it or not, this is from the real world [2] and bills like Sarbanes-Oxley etc. don't make this *any* easier. This is why I started PolicyKit. PolicyKit and gnome-mount will help solve this problem though not in a very elegant way [3] but it will provide a "one-time-click" "solution" to the problem. Some might say the user looses here (just look at the recent Microsoft Vista reviews where the user is bombarded with dialogs) but we're still left with the dilemma mentioned above. And we do want (I believe) GNOME to be a viable contender on the desktop and that means we need to support lock-down and things like EAL and Sarbanes-Oxley. Just as we want it to work for home users who just wants to access that movie on the NTFS or hfs+ partition from his home directory on "that other operating system". The approach taken by PolicyKit and gnome-mount is best compromise I've come up with so far. I'm not convinced it's perfect though, and I haven't had time to complete it yet though things are slowly moving forward. So what am I trying to say? I'm trying to say it makes sense to show all drives and their mountable file systems notwithstanding the user might be allowed to access them. Because if they're not privileged they should at least get a chance to see the drive is there (otherwise you get "My drive didn't show up! Is the computer broken?") along with an explanation why they can't access it maybe even with a possibility to auth for access. > > So I think what you want is to hide is exactly volumes that are mounted > > on traditional FHS mount points, e.g. /, /usr. I can't see why we should > > enforce this policy in Gnome VFS when the bits above (e.g. Nautilus, > > Filechooser) can handle this much better? > > I don't understand how you think nautilus can handle this better? Agreed, yea, probably GNOME VFS would know best. David [1] : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evaluation_Assurance_Level [2] : http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20040916.html Search for "epoxy". [3] : See http://people.freedesktop.org/~david/perm-override/gnome-mount-perm-override-1.png http://people.freedesktop.org/~david/perm-override/gnome-mount-perm-override-2.png From alexl@redhat.com Wed Jun 7 02:58:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 730983B0342 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:58:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20729-09 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C47583B01B2 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:58:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k576wSRX026164; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:58:28 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k576wNdo031791; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:58:23 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k576wMrc020424; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:58:23 -0400 From: Alexander Larsson To: David Zeuthen In-Reply-To: <1149544687.5951.56.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> References: <1148314063.5168.4.camel@localhost> <1148387730.19301.22.camel@greebo> <1148406054.5009.24.camel@localhost> <1148456225.19301.38.camel@greebo> <1148486395.4735.26.camel@greebo> <1148499503.5171.7.camel@localhost> <1148904283.16920.11.camel@greebo> <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> <1149544687.5951.56.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 08:58:24 +0200 Message-Id: <1149663504.5416.123.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.587 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.587 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: [PATCH] computer:/// should display all drives, not only user-visible ones X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 06:58:31 -0000 On Mon, 2006-06-05 at 17:58 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: > So what am I trying to say? I'm trying to say it makes sense to show all > drives and their mountable file systems notwithstanding the user might > be allowed to access them. Because if they're not privileged they should > at least get a chance to see the drive is there (otherwise you get "My > drive didn't show up! Is the computer broken?") along with an > explanation why they can't access it maybe even with a possibility to > auth for access. I don't really follow your reasoning fully. I agree that users want to see their OSX and/or windows mounts from linux, but I think you over-empasize the "single user, dual boot, home desktop" usecase. In the case of more traditional sysadmined unix setups (at universities and whatnot) you'll have a bunch of bizzare mountpoints (nfs mounts, autofs mounts, tmpfs, /usr, /home, extra drives/partitions, etc). If we were to show all these, then I think things would look pretty confusing. I really think we need to hide a bunch of mountpoints. Some mountpoints can probably be hardcoded (like /proc, /tmp/, /home, /opt/*, /usr, and /boot), but we can never think of all possibilities, so we should probably have a way to mark them. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a benighted playboy dog-catcher whom everyone believes is mad. She's a sarcastic extravagent former first lady from a family of eight older brothers. They fight crime! From xclaesse@gmail.com Wed Jun 7 08:51:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 546413B0B28 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:51:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13070-01 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outmx007.isp.belgacom.be (outmx007.isp.belgacom.be [195.238.5.234]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A19F93B03C4 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outmx007.isp.belgacom.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outmx007.isp.belgacom.be (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Skynet-OUT-2.22) with ESMTP id k57Cow2U030006 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:51:03 +0200 (envelope-from ) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (68-220.242.81.adsl.skynet.be [81.242.220.68]) by outmx007.isp.belgacom.be (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Skynet-OUT-2.22) with ESMTP id k57CovMd029978; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:50:57 +0200 (envelope-from ) From: Xavier Claessens To: Alexander Larsson In-Reply-To: <1149663504.5416.123.camel@greebo> References: <1148314063.5168.4.camel@localhost> <1148387730.19301.22.camel@greebo> <1148406054.5009.24.camel@localhost> <1148456225.19301.38.camel@greebo> <1148486395.4735.26.camel@greebo> <1148499503.5171.7.camel@localhost> <1148904283.16920.11.camel@greebo> <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> <1149544687.5951.56.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149663504.5416.123.camel@greebo> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-hOGtOF5lpypbLjK1X4t7" Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:51:08 +0200 Message-Id: <1149684668.5095.1.camel@zdra-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.471, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_NEUTRAL=1.069] X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" , David Zeuthen Subject: Re: [PATCH] computer:/// should display all drives, not only user-visible ones X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:51:14 -0000 --=-hOGtOF5lpypbLjK1X4t7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Le mercredi 07 juin 2006 =C3=A0 08:58 +0200, Alexander Larsson a =C3=A9crit= : > On Mon, 2006-06-05 at 17:58 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: >=20 > > So what am I trying to say? I'm trying to say it makes sense to show al= l > > drives and their mountable file systems notwithstanding the user might > > be allowed to access them. Because if they're not privileged they shoul= d > > at least get a chance to see the drive is there (otherwise you get "My > > drive didn't show up! Is the computer broken?") along with an > > explanation why they can't access it maybe even with a possibility to > > auth for access. >=20 > I don't really follow your reasoning fully. I agree that users want to > see their OSX and/or windows mounts from linux, but I think you > over-empasize the "single user, dual boot, home desktop" usecase. In the > case of more traditional sysadmined unix setups (at universities and > whatnot) you'll have a bunch of bizzare mountpoints (nfs mounts, autofs > mounts, tmpfs, /usr, /home, extra drives/partitions, etc).=20 >=20 > If we were to show all these, then I think things would look pretty > confusing. I really think we need to hide a bunch of mountpoints. Some > mountpoints can probably be hardcoded > (like /proc, /tmp/, /home, /opt/*, /usr, and /boot), but we can never > think of all possibilities, so we should probably have a way to mark > them. >=20 We should only display "/media/*" and "/mnt/*" Xavier. --=-hOGtOF5lpypbLjK1X4t7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Ceci est une partie de message =?ISO-8859-1?Q?num=E9riquement?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_sign=E9e?= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEhsu76dEBUn2qPAMRApRBAJwNCLBuPyxCtkh0sIbICQBqpRGDFACfaN00 Kc9Uz6ZIjQ4wxsbbHO74ZG0= =Wmaq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-hOGtOF5lpypbLjK1X4t7-- From tomasek@ebed.etf.cuni.cz Wed Jun 7 08:55:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 864A63B0C97 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13300-04 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ebed.etf.cuni.cz (ebed.etf.cuni.cz [195.113.5.3]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E66983B03C4 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ebed.etf.cuni.cz (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ebed.etf.cuni.cz (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k57ChDPX029737 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:43:13 +0200 Received: (from tomasek@localhost) by ebed.etf.cuni.cz (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Submit) id k57ChDrV029735 for gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:43:13 +0200 Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:43:13 +0200 From: Petr Tomasek To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20060607124313.GA29329@ebed.etf.cuni.cz> References: <1148456225.19301.38.camel@greebo> <1148486395.4735.26.camel@greebo> <1148499503.5171.7.camel@localhost> <1148904283.16920.11.camel@greebo> <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> <1149544687.5951.56.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149663504.5416.123.camel@greebo> <1149684668.5095.1.camel@zdra-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1149684668.5095.1.camel@zdra-desktop> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Homepage: http://www.etf.cuni.cz/~tomasek/ X-Echelon: bomb Arafat Intifada bus kach drugs mafia boss heroin spy Semtex Saddam Al-Qaida Usama bin Ladin Bush Sharon X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.535 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.064, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.535 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: [PATCH] computer:/// should display all drives, not only user-visible ones X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:55:00 -0000 > > I don't really follow your reasoning fully. I agree that users want to > > see their OSX and/or windows mounts from linux, but I think you > > over-empasize the "single user, dual boot, home desktop" usecase. In the > > case of more traditional sysadmined unix setups (at universities and > > whatnot) you'll have a bunch of bizzare mountpoints (nfs mounts, autofs > > mounts, tmpfs, /usr, /home, extra drives/partitions, etc). > > > > If we were to show all these, then I think things would look pretty > > confusing. I really think we need to hide a bunch of mountpoints. Some > > mountpoints can probably be hardcoded > > (like /proc, /tmp/, /home, /opt/*, /usr, and /boot), but we can never > > think of all possibilities, so we should probably have a way to mark > > them. > > > > We should only display "/media/*" and "/mnt/*" > > Xavier. Please, let it be configurable! There are people who prefer mounting media under "/" (like "/cdrom", etc.) P.T. -- Petr Tomasek From david@fubar.dk Wed Jun 7 09:42:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 565EE3B03C1 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:42:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17395-02 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:42:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from davidz.fubar.dk (unknown [208.184.5.49]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8057D3B0229 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:42:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.115] (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by davidz.fubar.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CDC19CE06F; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:42:47 -0400 (EDT) From: David Zeuthen To: Xavier Claessens In-Reply-To: <1149684668.5095.1.camel@zdra-desktop> References: <1148314063.5168.4.camel@localhost> <1148387730.19301.22.camel@greebo> <1148406054.5009.24.camel@localhost> <1148456225.19301.38.camel@greebo> <1148486395.4735.26.camel@greebo> <1148499503.5171.7.camel@localhost> <1148904283.16920.11.camel@greebo> <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> <1149544687.5951.56.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149663504.5416.123.camel@greebo> <1149684668.5095.1.camel@zdra-desktop> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 09:43:54 -0400 Message-Id: <1149687834.2424.24.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.2.1 (2.7.2.1-4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.57 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.029, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.57 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" , Alexander Larsson Subject: Re: [PATCH] computer:/// should display all drives, not only user-visible ones X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:42:51 -0000 On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 14:51 +0200, Xavier Claessens wrote: > > I don't really follow your reasoning fully. I agree that users want to > > see their OSX and/or windows mounts from linux, but I think you > > over-empasize the "single user, dual boot, home desktop" usecase. In the > > case of more traditional sysadmined unix setups (at universities and > > whatnot) you'll have a bunch of bizzare mountpoints (nfs mounts, autofs > > mounts, tmpfs, /usr, /home, extra drives/partitions, etc). > > > > If we were to show all these, then I think things would look pretty > > confusing. I really think we need to hide a bunch of mountpoints. Some > > mountpoints can probably be hardcoded > > (like /proc, /tmp/, /home, /opt/*, /usr, and /boot), but we can never > > think of all possibilities, so we should probably have a way to mark > > them. Yea, of course we should hide such bizarre mount points. My point was merely we ought to show drives/mounts even if the user is not privileged to mount them. > > > > We should only display "/media/*" and "/mnt/*" Yup, that's one option, maybe just resort to showing entries from /media then alexl's /mnt/hdb1 drive won't be shown (and if alexl wants it to be shown he can move the mount point to /media). Personally I think we should just hide all the directories and subdirs as defined by FHS2.3. We do that here http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/gnome-vfs/libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-hal-mounts.c?view=markup in function _hal_volume_policy_check() though I'm unsure whether this code is used at the moment (will look into that). David From alexl@redhat.com Fri Jun 9 07:20:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF0E53B0097 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18633-05 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AB843B011C for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59BJwQm005302; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:19:58 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59BJwLZ006488; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:19:58 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59BJvoV024293; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:19:57 -0400 From: Alexander Larsson To: David Zeuthen In-Reply-To: <1149687834.2424.24.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> References: <1148314063.5168.4.camel@localhost> <1148387730.19301.22.camel@greebo> <1148406054.5009.24.camel@localhost> <1148456225.19301.38.camel@greebo> <1148486395.4735.26.camel@greebo> <1148499503.5171.7.camel@localhost> <1148904283.16920.11.camel@greebo> <1149115005.2331.18.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149149950.5416.49.camel@greebo> <1149544687.5951.56.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> <1149663504.5416.123.camel@greebo> <1149684668.5095.1.camel@zdra-desktop> <1149687834.2424.24.camel@daxter.boston.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 13:19:57 +0200 Message-Id: <1149851997.3023.51.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.587 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.587 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: [PATCH] computer:/// should display all drives, not only user-visible ones X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 11:20:05 -0000 On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 09:43 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 14:51 +0200, Xavier Claessens wrote: > > > I don't really follow your reasoning fully. I agree that users want to > > > see their OSX and/or windows mounts from linux, but I think you > > > over-empasize the "single user, dual boot, home desktop" usecase. In the > > > case of more traditional sysadmined unix setups (at universities and > > > whatnot) you'll have a bunch of bizzare mountpoints (nfs mounts, autofs > > > mounts, tmpfs, /usr, /home, extra drives/partitions, etc). > > > > > > If we were to show all these, then I think things would look pretty > > > confusing. I really think we need to hide a bunch of mountpoints. Some > > > mountpoints can probably be hardcoded > > > (like /proc, /tmp/, /home, /opt/*, /usr, and /boot), but we can never > > > think of all possibilities, so we should probably have a way to mark > > > them. > > Yea, of course we should hide such bizarre mount points. My point was > merely we ought to show drives/mounts even if the user is not privileged > to mount them. > > > > > > > > We should only display "/media/*" and "/mnt/*" > > Yup, that's one option, maybe just resort to showing entries from /media > then alexl's /mnt/hdb1 drive won't be shown (and if alexl wants it to be > shown he can move the mount point to /media). Personally I think we > should just hide all the directories and subdirs as defined by FHS2.3. > We do that here > > http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/gnome-vfs/libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-hal-mounts.c?view=markup > > in function _hal_volume_policy_check() though I'm unsure whether this > code is used at the moment (will look into that). Well, the bug report: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341446 showed drives for things like / and /home. So something is going wrong here. I see a _hal_drive_policy_check that is empty though. Anyway, what i think we should do is: Have a policy for what mountpoints to create drives for. Be it by blacklisting or whitelisting. If the policy says the mountpoint shouldn't have a drive then we don't even create one. Set is_user_visible to false on drives that support auto-mounting, so we can hide them everywhere but in computer:///. I think blacklisting will probably work well enough, but you probably need to add more stuff than just the toplevel FHS mountpoints, for instance /dev/shmem and common non-linux mountpoints. Also, it looks like you create drives based on currently mounted volumes that are not in fstab? This will generate a bunch of drives when using things like autofs for separate /home/ mountpoints and cause things like /proc/bus/usb to get drives. Does it ever make sense to create a drive object for a volume like this? It'll only live as long as the volume and you can't really use it for anything. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a time-tossed coffee-fuelled inventor on his last day in the job. She's a warm-hearted mutant research scientist from a different time and place. They fight crime! From alexl@redhat.com Fri Jun 9 07:21:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A75453B0121 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:21:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18661-08 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:21:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 573C53B006A for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:21:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59BLiIX005951; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:21:44 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59BLiWa006890; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:21:44 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59BLh8I024410; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:21:44 -0400 From: Alexander Larsson To: Ken Ishii In-Reply-To: <20060604195153.83291.qmail@web61323.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060604195153.83291.qmail@web61323.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 13:21:43 +0200 Message-Id: <1149852104.3023.53.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.587 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.587 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: gnome_vfs_uri_hash() bug? X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 11:21:46 -0000 On Sun, 2006-06-04 at 12:51 -0700, Ken Ishii wrote: > gnome_vfs_uri_hash() has the following code section: > > for (uri_p = uri; uri_p != NULL; uri_p = uri_p->parent) { > HASH_STRING (hash_value, uri_p->text); > HASH_STRING (hash_value, uri_p->method_string); > > if (uri_p->parent != NULL) { > const GnomeVFSToplevelURI *toplevel; > > toplevel = (const GnomeVFSToplevelURI *) uri_p; > > Since GnomeVFSToplevelURI is defined to be an URI without a parent, > shouldn't > if (uri_p->parent != NULL) > be > if (uri_p->parent == NULL) > instead? Yeah. That looks wrong. I'm fixing it in cvs. Thanks. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's an old-fashioned white trash romance novelist She's a bloodthirsty Buddhist bodyguard prone to fits of savage, blood-crazed rage. They fight crime! From alexl@redhat.com Mon Jun 12 05:38:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 296D33B00A7 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28453-10 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A0A33B008D for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5C9bL45019802; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:37:21 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5C9bG0T011686; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:37:16 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5C9bF3C014485; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:37:15 -0400 From: Alexander Larsson To: Xavier Claessens In-Reply-To: <1149455967.15249.30.camel@zdra-desktop> References: <1149455967.15249.30.camel@zdra-desktop> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:37:15 +0200 Message-Id: <1150105036.3023.95.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.587 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.587 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: volume-unmounted signal on GnomeVFSDrive X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:38:16 -0000 On Sun, 2006-06-04 at 23:19 +0200, Xavier Claessens wrote: > Hello, > > As I understand the "volume-unmounted" signal is emitted before the > volume unmounted is really removed from the drive. So in the callback, > if we run gnome_vfs_drive_get_mounted_volumes() it will return a GList > still containing the unmounted GnomeVFSVolume. > > I think it should be very useful to have a callback after everything is > done. For example in nautilus'places sidebar when we get the > "volume-unmounted" callback we can't update the sidebar yet because the > drive still has the volume connected... so we add a g_idle_add() to have > a callback after everything is done and then we can update the sidebar. > > I think that's more a workaround than a real solution. What about adding > in GnomeVFSDrive and GnomeVFSVolumeMonitor a "volume-post-unmount" > callback (we already have a "volume-pre-unmount" cb) ? > > I you are OK with the idea I can make a patch. You could just look at gnome_vfs_volume_is_mounted() in the volume-unmounted call and ignore things that are not mounted. We do set is_mounted before emitting the signal for things like this. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a deeply religious umbrella-wielding astronaut looking for a cure to the poison coursing through his veins. She's a green-fingered snooty femme fatale who can talk to animals. They fight crime! From alexl@redhat.com Mon Jun 12 06:12:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 084B93B0078 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:12:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29802-04 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BF913B009D for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5C9TFho017434; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:29:15 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5C9TF93010182; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:29:15 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5C9TEb4013434; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:29:14 -0400 From: Alexander Larsson To: Christian Neumair In-Reply-To: <1149010547.5256.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1149010547.5256.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:29:14 +0200 Message-Id: <1150104554.3023.93.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.549 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.025, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_FD=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.549 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" , Ken Ishii Subject: Re: Proposed (unfinished) ZIP module available on Bugzilla X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:12:18 -0000 On Tue, 2006-05-30 at 19:35 +0200, Christian Neumair wrote: > Dear GnomeVFS development community, > > as requested by Ken Ishii who needs a ZIP module, I'm publishing a > prelimitary version of a GnomeVFS ZIP module in Bugzilla [1]. People who > are interested in development should check out the bug report and help > out :). > > [1] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343419 It seems this uncompresses the file on open and then reads from that. I think this is the right approach, but there are some tricks you could use to make this nicer. What you do is create the uncompressed temp files (in /tmp) and then unlink the file, keeping the file descriptor around. This means the file is not visible in the filesystem, but the data for it is kept around until the last fd referencing it is closed. You store this fd in a cache, and then use dup() to get a new independent file descriptor to the file in do_open(). When the app is closed the kernel will close all fds and deallocate the filesystem space. So, doing things this way means you'll never leak tempfiles. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a lounge-singing albino vampire hunter who knows the secret of the alien invasion. She's a virginal punk traffic cop with an MBA from Harvard. They fight crime! From mclasen@redhat.com Mon Jun 12 22:40:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BAD63B0009 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07590-05 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3251E3B000C for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5D2MFId000486 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:22:15 -0400 Received: from lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (lacrosse.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.154]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5D2MFG6018613 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:22:15 -0400 Received: from [172.16.83.145] (vpn83-145.boston.redhat.com [172.16.83.145]) by lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k5D2MEWJ003165 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:22:14 -0400 From: Matthias Clasen To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Red Hat Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:24:01 -0400 Message-Id: <1150165441.4081.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.2.1 (2.7.2.1-4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.541 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.060, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.541 X-Spam-Level: Subject: gnome-mime-data dependency X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 02:40:48 -0000 During some Fedora package work I noticed that gnome-vfs still pulls in gnome-mime-data, which seems to be old and unmaintained. Alex tells me that it is needed for some deprecated mime apis. I think it would be nice to get rid of that dependency in 2.16. Matthias From bosshrap@zhwin.ch Tue Jun 13 10:41:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D47B3B000C for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26639-07 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a.mx.projectdream.org (eth0-0.yuffie.projectdream.org [194.88.212.200]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2806B3B00A5 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.0.11] (d213-103-155-97.cust.tele2.ch [213.103.155.97]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by a.mx.projectdream.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD3548811A for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:40:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <448ECE64.9030800@zhwin.ch> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:40:36 +0200 From: Raphael Bosshard User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060612) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Subject: [PATCH] Display binary prefix filesizes instead of decimal prefix filesizes (344296) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000304070805010006040703" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 08:09:00 -0400 X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:41:32 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000304070805010006040703 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit See http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344296 This patch changes the human readable filesizes (gnome_vfs_format_file_size_for_display) which are curently displayed (rather missleading) with binary prefix multipliers (such as Kilo, Mega, Giga) to more appropriate binary prefix multipiers (Kibi, Mebi, Gibi). The IEC approved standard symbols (KiB, MiB, GiB) are used. For more information please read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix So long, Raphael --------------000304070805010006040703 Content-Type: text/x-patch; name="gnome-vfs-display-binary-prefix.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="gnome-vfs-display-binary-prefix.patch" --- gnome-vfs-2.14.2/libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-utils.c 2006-03-03 10:28:21.000000000 +0100 +++ gnome-vfs-2.14.2-work/libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-utils.c 2006-06-10 23:03:40.983116272 +0200 @@ -51,9 +51,9 @@ #include #include -#define KILOBYTE_FACTOR 1024.0 -#define MEGABYTE_FACTOR (1024.0 * 1024.0) -#define GIGABYTE_FACTOR (1024.0 * 1024.0 * 1024.0) +#define KIBIBYTE_FACTOR 1024.0 +#define MEBIBYTE_FACTOR (1024.0 * 1024.0) +#define GIBIBYTE_FACTORFACTOR (1024.0 * 1024.0 * 1024.0) #define READ_CHUNK_SIZE 8192 @@ -74,22 +74,22 @@ gchar* gnome_vfs_format_file_size_for_display (GnomeVFSFileSize size) { - if (size < (GnomeVFSFileSize) KILOBYTE_FACTOR) { + if (size < (GnomeVFSFileSize) KIBIBYTE_FACTOR) { return g_strdup_printf (dngettext(GETTEXT_PACKAGE, "%u byte", "%u bytes",(guint) size), (guint) size); } else { gdouble displayed_size; - if (size < (GnomeVFSFileSize) MEGABYTE_FACTOR) { - displayed_size = (gdouble) size / KILOBYTE_FACTOR; - return g_strdup_printf (_("%.1f KB"), + if (size < (GnomeVFSFileSize) MEBIBYTE_FACTOR) { + displayed_size = (gdouble) size / KIBIBYTE_FACTOR; + return g_strdup_printf (_("%.1f KiB"), displayed_size); - } else if (size < (GnomeVFSFileSize) GIGABYTE_FACTOR) { - displayed_size = (gdouble) size / MEGABYTE_FACTOR; - return g_strdup_printf (_("%.1f MB"), + } else if (size < (GnomeVFSFileSize) GIBIBYTE_FACTORFACTOR) { + displayed_size = (gdouble) size / MEBIBYTE_FACTOR; + return g_strdup_printf (_("%.1f MiB"), displayed_size); } else { - displayed_size = (gdouble) size / GIGABYTE_FACTOR; - return g_strdup_printf (_("%.1f GB"), + displayed_size = (gdouble) size / GIBIBYTE_FACTORFACTOR; + return g_strdup_printf (_("%.1f GiB"), displayed_size); } } --------------000304070805010006040703-- From alexl@redhat.com Sat Jun 17 04:58:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 361533B042A for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 04:58:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15153-02 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 04:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 676533B010F for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 04:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5H8vMS8009846; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 04:57:22 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5H8vMxp026394; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 04:57:22 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5H8vL4b023197; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 04:57:21 -0400 Subject: Re: [PATCH] Display binary prefix filesizes instead of decimal prefix filesizes (344296) From: Alexander Larsson To: Raphael Bosshard In-Reply-To: <448ECE64.9030800@zhwin.ch> References: <448ECE64.9030800@zhwin.ch> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 10:57:21 +0200 Message-Id: <1150534641.1962.19.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.588 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.013, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.588 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 08:58:04 -0000 On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 16:40 +0200, Raphael Bosshard wrote: > See http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344296 > > This patch changes the human readable filesizes > (gnome_vfs_format_file_size_for_display) which are curently displayed > (rather missleading) with binary prefix multipliers (such as Kilo, Mega, > Giga) to more appropriate binary prefix multipiers (Kibi, Mebi, Gibi). > The IEC approved standard symbols (KiB, MiB, GiB) are used. > > For more information please read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix This has already been denied in bugs like: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127175 Which references mails like: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-doc-list/2003-December/msg00004.html and the gnome docs style guides: http://developer.gnome.org/documents/style-guide/units.html For what its worth I very much agree with Patrick. The binary prefixes are silly and nobody but anal-retentive ultra-geeks will understand them, thus confusing the general userbase (who haven't seen them before). =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a sword-wielding pirate librarian searching for his wife's true killer. She's a time-travelling junkie Hell's Angel in the wrong place at the wrong time. They fight crime! From nf2@scheinwelt.at Sun Jun 18 18:55:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 462013B00AF; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 18:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12908-03; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 18:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx-01.sil.at (mx-01.sil.at [86.59.12.198]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 208EC3B00B2; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 18:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vie-062-116-122-020.dsl.sil.at ([62.116.122.20] helo=[192.168.5.82]) by mx-01.sil.at with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Fs69X-0004Oc-Kv; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 00:54:01 +0200 Message-ID: <4495D984.5090705@scheinwelt.at> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 00:53:56 +0200 From: nf2 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gtk-list@gnome.org, gnome vfs list Subject: libxdg-vfs and Gtk-Filechooser Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scan-Signature: 9d02a3267670e8bb77f537b38fda5a39 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.51 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.012, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_XD=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.51 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 22:55:34 -0000 Hi, The experimental "libxdg-vfs" provides a generic interface to VFS libraries. It tries to autodetect the current desktop and then connects to Gnome-VFS or KIO by launching the backend executables xdg_vfs_gnome or xdg_vfs_kde. http://www.scheinwelt.at/~norbertf/dadapt/files/xdg_utils/doc/libxdg-vfs.html The target of "libxdg-vfs" would be giving applications access to ftp/smb shares etc... Of course this also involves bringing VFS access to filechoosers. AFAIK Gtk-Filechooser has pluggable backends (GtkFilesystem). It would be interesting if it could also run on top of "libxdg-vfs". The problem is, that i couldn't find any documentation how to implement a GtkFilesystem module. Could you please give me an introduction and maybe tell me about the specific requirements for a GtkFilesystem? Perhaps i need to provide more functions through "libxdg-vfs": listing and mounting Volumes, obtaining icon-paths,... Regards, Norbert From chris@gnome-de.org Sun Jun 18 13:44:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 349513B00E5 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05823-10 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.bytecamp.net (mail.bytecamp.net [212.204.60.9]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E77BC3B0009 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:44:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 45357 invoked by uid 85); 18 Jun 2006 17:36:58 -0000 Received: from chris@gnome-de.org by mail.bytecamp.net by uid 88 with qmail-scanner-1.20 (clamscan: 0.88.1 Clear:RC:0(84.150.153.121):. Processed in 7.089351 secs); 18 Jun 2006 17:36:58 -0000 Received: from p54969979.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (HELO ?192.168.123.112?) (chris@gnome-de.org@84.150.153.121) by mail.bytecamp.net with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 18 Jun 2006 17:36:51 -0000 Subject: [PATCH] Improve docs, new attempt From: Christian Neumair To: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-4cYgbTZAmh2zlaadTQGz" Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 19:36:47 +0200 Message-Id: <1150652208.22660.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.586 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.013, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.586 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:27:21 -0400 X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 17:44:45 -0000 --=-4cYgbTZAmh2zlaadTQGz Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've spent some more hours on GnomeVFS docs and the Xfer docs should be in a way better shape now. 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requested) by smtp.hora-obscura.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 768D4878023; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:31:19 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: [PATCH] Improve docs, new attempt From: Stefan Kost To: Christian Neumair In-Reply-To: <1150652208.22660.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1150652208.22660.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:30:37 +0300 Message-Id: <1150756237.15396.6.camel@fluffy.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at hora-obscura.de X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:8eea7ddcf9c0cceb26830fe517b7ade3 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.496 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.026, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_GT=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.496 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 22:38:50 -0000 Hi Christian, Am Sonntag, den 18.06.2006, 19:36 +0200 schrieb Christian Neumair: > I've spent some more hours on GnomeVFS docs and the Xfer docs should be > in a way better shape now. I got commit permission for the last one > already, but this one is significantly larger (240 kB, but including the > tmpl/ regeneration garbage). I strongly recommend to move all docs to the source files and remove the tmpl files from cvs totaly. If developers use different versions of gtk-doc, commiting partialy generated files such as the files under tmpl/ can often cause conflicts like those we know with po/*.po files. Besides developers will more likely update docs when they are close to the sources. In case you are not aware, even the section docs can be added to the sources (see the gtk-doc manual in yelp). Stefan From chipzz@ULYSSIS.Org Mon Jun 19 21:43:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 471F03B015D for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:43:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15440-03 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.240.42]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4EC63B00D9 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43E5F1D75E5 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:42:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp03.kuleuven.be (antonius.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.240.73]) by rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E13C1D75DF for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:42:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.be (ray.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.be [193.190.253.198]) by smtp03.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47261332762 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:42:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 30541 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2006 01:42:20 -0000 Received: from ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.be (HELO ace.ulyssis.org) (193.190.253.208) by smtp.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.be with SMTP; 20 Jun 2006 01:42:20 -0000 Received: by ace.ulyssis.org (Postfix, from userid 1275) id 050F92EFE4; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:42:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ace.ulyssis.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E85052EFE3; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:42:19 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:42:19 +0200 (CEST) From: Chipzz To: Christian Neumair Subject: Re: [PATCH] Improve docs, new attempt In-Reply-To: <1150652208.22660.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: References: <1150652208.22660.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by KULeuven Antivirus Cluster X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.419 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.045, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.419 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: Chipzz@ULYSSIS.Org List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:43:10 -0000 I only read about half of your patch, and not even all of it carefully, but here are a couple of suggestions: + * Either way, it acts like #GnomeVFSXferProgressCallback + * would act in non-asynchronous mode. The differences in + * invocation are explained in the gnome_vfs_async_xfer() + * documentation documentation. -> 2x documentation. + * @GNOME_VFS_FILE_TYPE_REGULAR: The file is regular (stat: %S_ISDIR). + * @GNOME_VFS_FILE_TYPE_DIRECTORY: The file is a directory (stat: %S_ISREG). -> "The file is a regular file" -> %S_ISDIR and %S_ISREG are swapped. + * @GNOME_VFS_PERM_USER_READ: Owner has read permission. etc... -> permission*s* ? + * @GNOME_VFS_PERM_OTHER_ALL: Others have all permissionss. -> permission*ss* ! + * @block_count: The size of the file in 512-byte blocks (a #GnomeVFSFileSize), -> I may be totally wrong here, but isn't this filesystem dependant? kr, On Sun, 18 Jun 2006, Christian Neumair wrote: > I've spent some more hours on GnomeVFS docs and the Xfer docs should be > in a way better shape now. I got commit permission for the last one > already, but this one is significantly larger (240 kB, but including the > tmpl/ regeneration garbage). Chipzz AKA Jan Van Buggenhout -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ UNIX isn't dead - It just smells funny Chipzz@ULYSSIS.Org ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Baldric, you wouldn't recognize a subtle plan if it painted itself pur- ple and danced naked on a harpsicord singing 'subtle plans are here a- gain'." From bosshrap@zhwin.ch Tue Jun 20 09:25:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A5FA3B01A8 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:25:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17592-03 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a.mx.projectdream.org (eth0-0.yuffie.projectdream.org [194.88.212.200]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 765663B017D for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dskt6433.zhwin.ch (dskt6433.zhwin.ch [160.85.162.206]) by a.mx.projectdream.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 048688803B; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:24:23 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: [PATCH] Display binary prefix filesizes instead of decimal prefix filesizes (344296) From: Raphael Bosshard To: Alexander Larsson In-Reply-To: <1150534641.1962.19.camel@greebo> References: <448ECE64.9030800@zhwin.ch> <1150534641.1962.19.camel@greebo> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:24:20 +0200 Message-Id: <1150809860.15905.28.camel@numenor> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.11 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11] X-Spam-Score: -1.11 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:25:20 -0000 Hello there! > For what its worth I very much agree with Patrick. The binary prefixes > are silly and nobody but anal-retentive ultra-geeks will understand > them, thus confusing the general userbase (who haven't seen them > before). Well, that's strange. I never considered myself a "anal-retentive ultra-geek". And I certainly never thought that my sister would fit into the category of "anal-retentive ultra-geeks". And yet she was the one who brought up the topic when we upgraded her computer with a new hard disk last week. The disk was labeled "250 Gigabyte". Yet when we installed it,"only" 238 Gigabytes were available. I explained her that the disk manufacturer interpreted the term "Giga" in a other way then the software manufacturer. Being an "anal-retentive ultra-geek", she was bothered by this. My sister is by no means a technical person. But to her european decimalised mind "Kilo" means "a thousand" and not "a thousand and twenty four", just in the way that "Mega" means "a million" and not "one million four hundred forty nine thousand six hundred sixteen". It doesn't bother me, mind you. I know that in IT "Giga" doesn't mean "Giga". But I always thought that only "anal-retentive ultra-geeks" know that and I recently noticed it confuses the the general userbase (who haven't heard of that before). The strange thing is that almost everyone seems to agree (even Patrick) that binary prefixes are a good Idea. However; everyone seems to wait with the adaption of binary prefixes until everyone around has adapted them. Funny thing. I see no need to bother the documentation team; there is to much resistance against binary prefixes. So long, Raphael From alexl@redhat.com Tue Jun 20 09:50:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6D663B01A8 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18291-09 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3030F3B020B for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5KDo05r027617; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:50:00 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5KDo0Fm009656; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:50:00 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5KDnxEP016163; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:49:59 -0400 Subject: Re: [PATCH] Display binary prefix filesizes instead of decimal prefix filesizes (344296) From: Alexander Larsson To: Raphael Bosshard In-Reply-To: <1150809860.15905.28.camel@numenor> References: <448ECE64.9030800@zhwin.ch> <1150534641.1962.19.camel@greebo> <1150809860.15905.28.camel@numenor> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:49:59 +0200 Message-Id: <1150811399.16397.51.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.588 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.013, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.588 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:50:55 -0000 On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 15:24 +0200, Raphael Bosshard wrote: > > For what its worth I very much agree with Patrick. The binary prefixes > > are silly and nobody but anal-retentive ultra-geeks will understand > > them, thus confusing the general userbase (who haven't seen them > > before). > > Well, that's strange. I never considered myself a "anal-retentive > ultra-geek". And I certainly never thought that my sister would fit into > the category of "anal-retentive ultra-geeks". And yet she was the one > who brought up the topic when we upgraded her computer with a new hard > disk last week. The disk was labeled "250 Gigabyte". Yet when we > installed it,"only" 238 Gigabytes were available. I explained her that > the disk manufacturer interpreted the term "Giga" in a other way then > the software manufacturer. Being an "anal-retentive ultra-geek", she was > bothered by this. > > My sister is by no means a technical person. But to her european > decimalised mind "Kilo" means "a thousand" and not "a thousand and > twenty four", just in the way that "Mega" means "a million" and not "one > million four hundred forty nine thousand six hundred sixteen". I'm well aware of the problems with 1000/1024 multipliers. However, consider your sisters case if we used 238 gibibyte instead of 238 gigabyte. 1) We'd still show 238 instead of 250 which is listed which would cause your sister to wonder where the space went. 2) There would be a strange acronym in the UI that she had never seen before and didn't match what is commonly in use in ads, docs, hardware specifications etc. Its unfortunately true that terms like gigabyte and megabyte are very widespread and in active use by people who don't really know exactly what they mean. Changing this use is slow and hard. > It doesn't bother me, mind you. I know that in IT "Giga" doesn't mean > "Giga". But I always thought that only "anal-retentive ultra-geeks" know > that and I recently noticed it confuses the the general userbase (who > haven't heard of that before). > > The strange thing is that almost everyone seems to agree (even Patrick) > that binary prefixes are a good Idea. However; everyone seems to wait > with the adaption of binary prefixes until everyone around has adapted > them. Funny thing. This is almost always the case with such large (in terms of number of places/organizations it has to be changed) changes. I think its partly because the net gain of doing the change isn't really that large. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a one-legged soccer-playing rock star who hangs with the wrong crowd. She's a plucky goth nun from Mars. They fight crime! From lifewarped@yahoo.com Wed Jun 21 15:50:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F91D3B0266 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01152-09 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp109.plus.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp109.plus.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.53.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 424163B015F for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 56956 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2006 19:50:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.85?) (lifewarped@64.252.203.251 with plain) by smtp109.plus.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2006 19:50:29 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Message-Id: <647A0248-B8FA-4F26-8652-17718BEDAF37@yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-813535700 From: "Glenn R. Martin" Subject: IP6 and MacOS X Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:50:27 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.417 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.880, BAYES_40=-0.185, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.417 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 19:50:32 -0000 --Apple-Mail-1-813535700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Apple's Mac OS X predefines a macro named SIN6_LEN... However this macro appears to be nothing. I was wondering if i wouldnt be too much trouble to add the following to your gnome-vfs-address.c file so i would not have to add it next time? (im using todays CVS) Line 55, libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-address.c : #ifdef SIN6_LEN && __APPLE__ # undef SIN6_LEN #endif # define SIN6_LEN sizeof (struct sockaddr_in6) Thanks --- Glenn R. Martin lifewarped@yahoo.com http://www.xargos.com http://www.myspace.com/grmartin C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg. -- Bjarne Stroustrup --Apple-Mail-1-813535700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Apple's Mac OS X predefines a = macro named SIN6_LEN... However this macro appears to be nothing. I was = wondering if i wouldnt be too much trouble to add the following to your = gnome-vfs-address.c file so i would not have to add it next = time?

(im using = todays CVS)

Line = 55,=A0libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-address.c :

#ifdef SIN6_LEN = &&=A0__APPLE__
# undef = SIN6_LEN
#endif

# define SIN6_LEN=A0= =A0=A0 sizeof (struct sockaddr_in6)

Thanks

---
Glenn R. = Martin
C makes it easy to shoot yourself in = the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole = leg. -- Bjarne Stroustrup

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= --Apple-Mail-1-813535700-- From lifewarped@yahoo.com Wed Jun 21 15:58:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF823B0192 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02062-01 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:58:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp104.plus.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp104.plus.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.53.29]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AF9573B035A for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:58:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 63776 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2006 19:57:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.85?) (lifewarped@64.252.203.251 with plain) by smtp104.plus.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2006 19:57:59 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Message-Id: <2766644B-5FDA-44BF-BFA9-F0C4295F117E@yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-813985806 From: "Glenn R. Martin" Subject: login_tty on Mac OS X Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:57:57 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.823 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.361, BAYES_05=-1.11, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.823 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 19:58:02 -0000 --Apple-Mail-2-813985806 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed MacOS X has the login_tty() definition in its header which does not seem to be included by your libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-pty.{c,h} file. Mind doing so, if i run in to anything else, ill hold it back for a complete email. again my copy is from the CVS. --- Glenn R. Martin lifewarped@yahoo.com http://www.xargos.com http://www.myspace.com/grmartin C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg. -- Bjarne Stroustrup --Apple-Mail-2-813985806 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 MacOS X has the login_tty() = definition in its <util.h> header which does not seem to be = included by your=A0libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-pty.{c,h} file. Mind doing so, = if i run in to anything else, ill hold it back for a complete = email.

again my copy is from the = CVS.

---
Glenn R. = Martin
C makes it easy to shoot yourself in = the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole = leg. -- Bjarne Stroustrup

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= --Apple-Mail-2-813985806-- From chris@gnome-de.org Thu Jun 22 08:11:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99F493B0691 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:11:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23409-09 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.bytecamp.net (mail.bytecamp.net [212.204.60.9]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C20CC3B05EE for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:11:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 40576 invoked by uid 85); 22 Jun 2006 12:11:51 -0000 Received: from chris@gnome-de.org by mail.bytecamp.net by uid 88 with qmail-scanner-1.20 (clamscan: 0.88.1 Clear:RC:0(84.150.143.65):. Processed in 0.019744 secs); 22 Jun 2006 12:11:51 -0000 Received: from p54968f41.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (HELO ?192.168.123.112?) (chris@gnome-de.org@84.150.143.65) by mail.bytecamp.net with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 22 Jun 2006 12:11:51 -0000 Subject: Re: [PATCH] Improve docs, new attempt From: Christian Neumair To: Chipzz@ULYSSIS.Org In-Reply-To: References: <1150652208.22660.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:11:45 +0200 Message-Id: <1150978306.5236.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.586 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.013, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.586 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:11:59 -0000 Am Dienstag, den 20.06.2006, 03:42 +0200 schrieb Chipzz: > I only read about half of your patch, and not even all of it carefully, but > here are a couple of suggestions: > (...) > -> "The file is a regular file" > -> %S_ISDIR and %S_ISREG are swapped. > > + * @GNOME_VFS_PERM_USER_READ: Owner has read permission. > etc... > > -> permission*s* ? Permission*s* for ALL but permission (without a trailing s) for the rest, i.e. READ, WRITE, EXECUTE. > (...) Thanks for your worthy suggestions, I've included almost all of them. Alex just looked through the patch as well and allowed me to commit it :). -- Christian Neumair From chris@gnome-de.org Fri Jun 30 06:36:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE3B03B024A for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 06:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11809-10 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 06:36:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.bytecamp.net (mail.bytecamp.net [212.204.60.9]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 138D63B02A2 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 06:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 59971 invoked by uid 85); 30 Jun 2006 10:36:00 -0000 Received: from chris@gnome-de.org by mail.bytecamp.net by uid 88 with qmail-scanner-1.20 (clamscan: 0.88.1 Clear:RC:0(84.150.198.8):. Processed in 0.219132 secs); 30 Jun 2006 10:36:00 -0000 Received: from p5496c608.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (HELO ?192.168.123.112?) (chris@gnome-de.org@84.150.198.8) by mail.bytecamp.net with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 30 Jun 2006 10:35:59 -0000 Subject: proposed asynchronous gnome_vfs_url_show implementation waiting for review From: Christian Neumair To: "gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org" Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:35:57 +0200 Message-Id: <1151663758.5262.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.586 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.013, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.586 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-vfs-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion about gnome-vfs and gnome-vfs modules List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:36:08 -0000 See http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337002 We need this both for the Panel and for Nautilus. -- Christian Neumair