From qgil at desdeamericaconamor.org Tue Jul 4 06:52:04 2006 From: qgil at desdeamericaconamor.org (Quim Gil) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 08:52:04 +0200 Subject: GNOME Infrastructure update Message-ID: <1151995924.5109.22.camel@localhost> Hi there, The GNOME Foundation board has received some offers for getting free servers and bandwidth for the GNOME infrastructure. In the line of stepping out of the way, delegate, let things get done, etc, we think the board role here is to set the initial contacts and then leave the details and the decisions to the Infrastructure team. These offers include server co-location out of RedHat, in the own infrastructures of each donor/host. We could probably get some more help from Advisory Board companies if we need it. These steps would imply the move to a more decentralized infrastructure. I am no sysadmin myself, nor I pretend to. All the planning and decisions to face this decentralization process need to come from the GNOME Infrastructure team, obviously. Hopefully I can help as a contact with the board and initial contact with potential donors/hosts. -- Quim Gil /// http://desdeamericaconamor.org | http://guadec.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : /archives/gnome-infrastructure/attachments/20060704/4a605346/attachment-0001.bin From ross at golder.org Tue Jul 4 09:03:16 2006 From: ross at golder.org (Ross Golder) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 16:03:16 +0700 Subject: GNOME Infrastructure update In-Reply-To: <1151995924.5109.22.camel@localhost> References: <1151995924.5109.22.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1152003797.10588.22.camel@red> On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 08:52 +0200, Quim Gil wrote: > Hi there, > > The GNOME Foundation board has received some offers for getting free > servers and bandwidth for the GNOME infrastructure. In the line of > stepping out of the way, delegate, let things get done, etc, we think > the board role here is to set the initial contacts and then leave the > details and the decisions to the Infrastructure team. > > These offers include server co-location out of RedHat, in the own > infrastructures of each donor/host. We could probably get some more help > from Advisory Board companies if we need it. These steps would imply the > move to a more decentralized infrastructure. > > I am no sysadmin myself, nor I pretend to. All the planning and > decisions to face this decentralization process need to come from the > GNOME Infrastructure team, obviously. Hopefully I can help as a contact > with the board and initial contact with potential donors/hosts. > Co-incidentally enough, we have just started a discussion about this on the internal gnome-sysadmin team. We are aware of a very attractive offer of servers and hosting from one other donor, and were discussing the advantages that they are able to offer us over our existing arrangements. I am in contact with them directly already. I'm not sure yet what information/offers I can make public, but I'll pass on the details here when I know I can :) There are a few small issues we will need to discuss and agree on internally within the sysadmin team first, such as the ifs, whos, hows and whens, etc. I'll then draft up some kind of 'master plan and schedule' and post it for review here on 'gnome-infrastructure' (copied to 'board-list'). If you have any other information to add, such as new/other donors interested in offering servers or hosting, please forward the details on to the team ('gnome-sysadmin at gnome.org') so we can contact them directly and factor their offers into our discussions and decisions. Thanks, -- Ross From qgil at desdeamericaconamor.org Tue Jul 4 09:27:11 2006 From: qgil at desdeamericaconamor.org (Quim Gil) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 11:27:11 +0200 Subject: GNOME Infrastructure update In-Reply-To: <1152003797.10588.22.camel@red> References: <1151995924.5109.22.camel@localhost> <1152003797.10588.22.camel@red> Message-ID: <1152005232.5109.99.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 16:03 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > I'm not sure > yet what information/offers I can make public, but I'll pass on the > details here when I know I can :) Maybe we could link a page from http://live.gnome.org/Sysadmin/Servers listing the current offers and servers underway. Those with unclear privacy could be referred using alias i.e. "4 small boxes" or "host donor". This way we would share a map of current and potential donors. -- Quim Gil /// http://desdeamericaconamor.org | http://guadec.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : /archives/gnome-infrastructure/attachments/20060704/ed296697/attachment-0001.bin From ross at golder.org Tue Jul 4 09:32:56 2006 From: ross at golder.org (Ross Golder) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 16:32:56 +0700 Subject: GNOME Infrastructure update In-Reply-To: <1152005232.5109.99.camel@localhost> References: <1151995924.5109.22.camel@localhost> <1152003797.10588.22.camel@red> <1152005232.5109.99.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1152005576.10728.3.camel@red> On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 11:27 +0200, Quim Gil wrote: > On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 16:03 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > I'm not sure > > yet what information/offers I can make public, but I'll pass on the > > details here when I know I can :) > > Maybe we could link a page from http://live.gnome.org/Sysadmin/Servers > listing the current offers and servers underway. Those with unclear > privacy could be referred using alias i.e. "4 small boxes" or "host > donor". > > This way we would share a map of current and potential donors. > Sounds like a good plan to me. I can't see it'd be a problem to publicise any offers we get. I'll check first though. -- Ross From otaylor at redhat.com Tue Jul 4 12:33:59 2006 From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 08:33:59 -0400 Subject: GNOME Infrastructure update In-Reply-To: <1152005232.5109.99.camel@localhost> References: <1151995924.5109.22.camel@localhost> <1152003797.10588.22.camel@red> <1152005232.5109.99.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1152016440.14779.160.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 11:27 +0200, Quim Gil wrote: > On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 16:03 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > I'm not sure > > yet what information/offers I can make public, but I'll pass on the > > details here when I know I can :) > > Maybe we could link a page from http://live.gnome.org/Sysadmin/Servers > listing the current offers and servers underway. Those with unclear > privacy could be referred using alias i.e. "4 small boxes" or "host > donor". > > This way we would share a map of current and potential donors. I think it would be much better to have a real discussion in private than an obfusticated and unclear discussion in public. It would be a mistake to make major decisions without having concrete full proposals on the table, and I doubt potential hosting donors would want that discussion going on in public. Owen From qgil at desdeamericaconamor.org Wed Jul 5 05:52:44 2006 From: qgil at desdeamericaconamor.org (Quim Gil) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 07:52:44 +0200 Subject: GNOME Infrastructure update In-Reply-To: <1152016440.14779.160.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1151995924.5109.22.camel@localhost> <1152003797.10588.22.camel@red> <1152005232.5109.99.camel@localhost> <1152016440.14779.160.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1152078764.5143.39.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 08:33 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: > I think it would be much better to have a real discussion in private > than an obfusticated and unclear discussion in public. It will definitely help. Are you thinking about email, phone call...? Suggest and we will follow. We are probably in a point in which we could solve our Infrastructure weaknesses, since there seems to be a context of organizations willing to help. There are many sub-discussions, though, that create dependencies between them. We should avoid the fish eating its tail. - We need to know what are the current needs and weaknesses of the GNOME infrastructure in order to know if we need more help, and which kind of help. We have been hearing the "We need more servers" claim for months, but we should move forward into a more specific statement. This is something the GNOME Infrastructure team can discuss by its own, and you decide what bits of the discussion need to be open and private. - If it's still true that we still need more resources, we need to know which are the requirements or conditions of the GNOME Infrastructure team in order to get efficient help. Some potential donors will be happy offering a server to be placed in the RedHat racks. Some potential donors will be happy co-locating a server in their own hosting infrastructure. We might find other combinations and we need to know in which cases we want to collaborate. This discussion is half the fish. - The other half of the fish is the negotiation with potential donors. To me it's not that good to start negotiations without having a clear idea of the previous points. For instance, if Serious Company X is offering us top quality hosting in their own server infrastructure we need to know if we consider useful to have resources out of the current infrastructure at RedHat or not. Having a more detailed policy about hardware requirements or permission levels or whatever you think appropriate to define would be also helpful. -- Quim Gil /// http://desdeamericaconamor.org | http://guadec.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : /archives/gnome-infrastructure/attachments/20060705/d78a7687/attachment-0001.bin From otaylor at redhat.com Wed Jul 5 09:10:16 2006 From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 05:10:16 -0400 Subject: GNOME Infrastructure update In-Reply-To: <1152078764.5143.39.camel@localhost> References: <1151995924.5109.22.camel@localhost> <1152003797.10588.22.camel@red> <1152005232.5109.99.camel@localhost> <1152016440.14779.160.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1152078764.5143.39.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1152090616.14779.167.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-07-05 at 07:52 +0200, Quim Gil wrote: > > On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 08:33 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: > > > I think it would be much better to have a real discussion in private > > than an obfusticated and unclear discussion in public. > > It will definitely help. Are you thinking about email, phone call...? Well, for the short term, I was mostly suggesting that this conversation could be better held on private mailing lists (gnome-sysadmin / board-list) rather than here on gnome-infrastructure. I don't think it's possible to hold this conversation in public and be sufficiently clear. At some point it might make sense to invite Ross to one of the GNOME Board conference calls, but that seems premature at this point; as you say, there are lots of confused intertwined strands of conversation. - Owen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If its there thing, I can file a bug. - -- Cheers, Kevin Kubasik 240-838-6616 http://kubasik.net/blog -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iQIVAwUBRKz6wv3xZFNDM330AQixkxAAluJvMvdW4lbDkBE25FhaEpaOgFEIbneR kehaab5ll/41sKSKDEmYhuG1kxgDHKYmhOCninM9i1wPJ6raXsdsDcAaTl+c9TTO SroXzm2R8ngRHN5l9c9tLmoXWyYQmYlQ/rEvIf0GXGZGDh5q7+Onx2QTUkD0GFwY tIUH575za3awil20NM4MpvnHuz85/QcllPdEunAbiWg4UNLjNrpHiWUjQRYmWq8i BYB/rQ/7W2dD8Jef8nfgyIfal2JLqNADvbd1yL1dQBj1dcdruB6OLMCrxgNAFzK6 pR4mzcxT8FDON0oWCc23BtDROR8ZfLbgGmzXNeqxX0FBCNtWt+We1wmlQxLPlMCg bjJZtOGBEFz2+rvMjhxtgmqid2k3V23kU0L1S7IpCpZfFdSM2o+6qhreK9f9jVNI dQYfLUpbYb0mxnMgTzB/3/HtTTp29hgnjvSSXOSRPVRPKOiskol2X2rt03ZI6smy 3pG5YEPzJuY4Bf6t3oxo57VNhdHZvQMemsXxoMwxpxo/NqKxQZ/gqa8KMh5LGI6d EQQB11lKi9J6ZnZ0saryDo7fNTn/CxOLeDiuXSn1lBJyq4+cw4J7KMCNcOVwfUYA iIDhBF77aYFe1ZYsNu3ane2nzaxvKEVZPdnwhXA3hua/v7C3eZUbtuMpYfTNlwl8 zx7yC5aH4H8= =ttra -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gpastore at gnome.org Thu Jul 6 14:07:17 2006 From: gpastore at gnome.org (Guilherme de S. Pastore) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 11:07:17 -0300 Subject: Mail archives giving a 404 when searched In-Reply-To: <44ACFAC2.20507@kubasik.net> References: <44ACFAC2.20507@kubasik.net> Message-ID: <1152194837.9903.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Il giorno gio, 06/07/2006 alle 07.57 -0400, Kevin Kubasik ha scritto: > I dunno if this was already known Yes, it is a known issue, there is a RT ticket for it, and it is being worked on. Thanks anyway. Yours, Guilherme de S. Pastore The GNOME Sysadmin Team From jdub at perkypants.org Fri Jul 7 07:13:37 2006 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 17:13:37 +1000 Subject: Firewall modification request Message-ID: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> Hi Matthew, Could you please open the following ports to label.gnome.org: 5222/tcp 5223/tcp 5269/tcp Thanks, - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ From ross at golder.org Fri Jul 7 11:14:59 2006 From: ross at golder.org (Ross Golder) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 18:14:59 +0700 Subject: Firewall modification request In-Reply-To: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> References: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> Message-ID: <1152270899.9439.0.camel@red> On Fri, 2006-07-07 at 17:13 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > Hi Matthew, > > Could you please open the following ports to label.gnome.org: > > 5222/tcp > 5223/tcp > 5269/tcp > > Thanks, Here's the inevitable question - 'What're they for?' :) -- Ross From jdub at perkypants.org Fri Jul 7 13:45:23 2006 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 23:45:23 +1000 Subject: Firewall modification request In-Reply-To: <1152270899.9439.0.camel@red> References: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> <1152270899.9439.0.camel@red> Message-ID: <20060707134523.GL655@waugh.id.au> > > 5222/tcp > > 5223/tcp > > 5269/tcp > > Here's the inevitable question - 'What're they for?' :) The ports are kinda obvious ;-) I need them open so I can actually test it sanely, but it's going to require more work before it can go live for real. The service will be for Foundation members only at this stage. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "And if you think this fucking little tub of gold popcorn is going to remotely make up for everything we've suffered, you're sadly fucking mistaken!" - Gollum From jdub at perkypants.org Fri Jul 7 14:56:48 2006 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 00:56:48 +1000 Subject: Firewall modification request In-Reply-To: References: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> Message-ID: <20060707145648.GO655@waugh.id.au> > Easy enough, just what are they for in case I'm asked? (Replied off-list.) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "Women are too irrational to be crazed killers anyway." - Angus Lees From jdub at perkypants.org Fri Jul 7 22:40:07 2006 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 08:40:07 +1000 Subject: Firewall modification request In-Reply-To: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> References: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> Message-ID: <20060707224007.GY655@waugh.id.au> > Could you please open the following ports to label.gnome.org: Thanks, mysterious console messenger. ;-) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "You know, like nunchuck skills, bowhunting skills, computer hacking skills... Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills." - Napoleon Dynamite From guilherme.pastore at terra.com.br Fri Jul 7 22:58:37 2006 From: guilherme.pastore at terra.com.br (Guilherme de S. Pastore) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 19:58:37 -0300 Subject: Firewall modification request In-Reply-To: <20060707224007.GY655@waugh.id.au> References: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> <20060707224007.GY655@waugh.id.au> Message-ID: <1152313117.9124.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Il giorno sab, 08/07/2006 alle 08.40 +1000, Jeff Waugh ha scritto: > > > > Could you please open the following ports to label.gnome.org: > > Thanks, mysterious console messenger. ;-) I want a mysterious console message telling me container's 3690 has been opened! Please, please, please! From ross at golder.org Sun Jul 9 11:36:27 2006 From: ross at golder.org (Ross Golder) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 18:36:27 +0700 Subject: Subversion migration recap (cut-off Friday July 14th) Message-ID: <1152444988.9101.16.camel@red> Hi guys, I hope you have all recovered from GUADEC. As you have all probably long forgotten by now, we are scheduled to migrate the GNOME CVS repository to Subversion next weekend. Friday night at 23:59UTC to be precise. That means that the migration will probably be under way this time next week. Here's an update on the status of the main issues. Archive history issues ---------------------- Unfortunately, during it's lifetime the GNOME CVS server has suffered several accidental clock resets (to a point in 1997). The timestamps listed in some of the CVS ',v' files are not always correct and in chronological order. This led to some problems high-lighted by James Henstridge: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-infrastructure/2006-February/msg00059.html Despite lengthy discussions with Michael Haggerty, the current maintainer of cvs2svn, and several patches attempting to work around the problem, it seems that it is unlikely that we'll be able to eliminate the problem entirely - only use the patches we've developed to alleviate the problem in the many cases. The most recent few mail exchanges on the subject are archived here: http://cvs2svn.tigris.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=dev&by=date&from=2006-07-01&to=2006-07-31&first=1&count=4 At any rate, we will not be able to rely on the subversion archive to recreate historical versions. To a certain extent, we can't really rely on the CVS archive either, as various 'CVS surgery' operations will have taken place over the years, in addition to the clockskew problems. However, I will make sure the CVS archives stay on-line in read-only/anonymous mode indefinitely in order to keep that history publicly available as it was at the time of the cut-off. The thing to remember is that this issue will only affect a small minority of the GNOME modules - the majority, esp newer modules, won't suffer this problem and you should still be able to retrieve reasonably faithful historical checkouts from either system in most cases. Migration order --------------- One downside will be that to migrate the entire CVS repository is that we have a *lot* of history. Current indications are that - worse case scenario - it could take the best part of a month to complete. Obviously, lots of hackers aren't going to want to wait this long before they can continue making commits to their module. So this is how I'm thinking of determining the migration order. We have three 'priority' lists, and then the rest. The first priority list will contain a list of any modules developers specifically request are treated as priority, as they expect to be working with them within hours/days of the migration cut-off (send your requests to me off the list now). The second priority list will contain a list of other modules we consider relatively urgent, such as the 'www.gnome.org' website in case we decide to change anything about of homepage. The third priority list is compiled from a list of the most active modules from the last year in activity order (compiled from a query on 'bonsai-svn' from a fairly recent test migration). Then, the whole list of modules is processed for any not handled above. This can be seen in the migration script 'create-svnrepos.sh', which is linked to and explained here: http://live.gnome.org/Subversion Obviously, at 23:59UTC the whole CVS archive will become read-only. As each CVS module is being migrated to a Subversion repository, it will be available read-only (for checkout and in viewcvs). When each module's subversion repository has been successfully migrated, the repository perms will reset so GNOME developers can proceed to make commits. As each module gets migrated, an '.out' file will be generated containing the output of the cvs2svn run (for the curious). These can be quite big sometimes, so the last few lines (containing the migration statistics) will be directed into a '.tail' file and the whole output file is bzip2'ed down. You should be able to see this happening here for the running test migration here: http://svn.gnome.org/migration/ As you can see from the date-stamps, the recent test migration is currently only migrating 25-30 reasonable sized modules a day. We currently have over 860 modules, so it could be about a month before all the modules have been migrated and are ready. I think I can get this time down with a few changes to the script to make better use of SMP etc, but the bottleneck will probably become I/O. Good thing we weren't thinking about creating a monolithic repository, eh?! :) Now would be an ideal opportunity to let us know about any old CVS modules you know about that are redundant, so we can put them out of the way in the Attic before the migration. Shouldn't we be cancelling or postponing the migration again? ------------------------------------------------------------- I don't believe the history problems warrant us postponing or cancelling the migration (again). If we do, it is unlikely that these problems will ever be solved and we will probably be stuck with CVS until the cows come home. We must move forward. However, I expect there will be some who feel may feel a bit edgy about the migration. So, unless I hear otherwise, either from the board or if a significant number of people raise objections in the next week (or both), the migration will begin as scheduled next weekend, using our current best-effort clock-skew alleviation patches. I will obviously continue to do everything I can to ensure that all the angles are covered and that the actual migration goes as smoothly and efficiently as possible. More information ---------------- Anything else I have thought of and/or covered should be written up here: http://live.gnome.org/Subversion Please send questions or comments to 'gnome-infrastructure at gnome.org', or drop by on irc.gnome.org/#sysadmin. Thanks. -- Ross From murrayc at murrayc.com Sun Jul 9 12:37:51 2006 From: murrayc at murrayc.com (Murray Cumming) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 14:37:51 +0200 Subject: www.gtkmm.org hosting In-Reply-To: <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> References: <1143130036.6942.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143130109.6942.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143209101.12253.18.camel@yellow> <1143209712.5969.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144063086.6062.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1145376467.17987.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149102258.5720.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149106990.5720.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149168356.5197.5.camel@green> <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> Message-ID: <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2006-06-24 at 21:47 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 21:17 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > > On Thu, 2006-06-22 at 10:53 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > > OK, I've relaxed your homedir perms to 701, set up the virtualhost > > > (window:/etc/httpd/sites.d/gtkmm.org.conf) and restarted apache. > > > > > > Add '209.132.176.176 www.gtkmm.org' to your /etc/hosts and you should be > > > able to test it with your browser. I'd test it myself, but my ISP uses a > > > bloody annoying transparent caching/proxy, so I'd have to fiddle about > > > with VPNs or my own proxy to test it myself from here and I'm in a rush > > > atm. Sorry. > > > > That works, though SSI is not turned on. > > > > Sorry, my fault. An egregious typo in the Apache conf. Try again. Thanks. That seems to work now. Would this be the final location for the website files? Without wanting to appear at all ungrateful for your own hard work, it seems like we might not have the sysadmin resources to really support extra web sites. For instance, I'm not convinced that everything is documented enough that I wouldn't have to wait a few weeks to have the website restored in the event of another server hack/failure. Am I wrong about this? I might decide to use my own hosting account for this, though I'm afraid of how much bandwidth it could cost me, and other gtkmm developers would probably prefer not to depend on me either. -- Murray Cumming murrayc at murrayc.com www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com From ross at golder.org Sun Jul 9 12:54:49 2006 From: ross at golder.org (Ross Golder) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 19:54:49 +0700 Subject: www.gtkmm.org hosting In-Reply-To: <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1143130036.6942.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143130109.6942.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143209101.12253.18.camel@yellow> <1143209712.5969.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144063086.6062.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1145376467.17987.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149102258.5720.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149106990.5720.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149168356.5197.5.camel@green> <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 14:37 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > On Sat, 2006-06-24 at 21:47 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 21:17 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > > > On Thu, 2006-06-22 at 10:53 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > > > OK, I've relaxed your homedir perms to 701, set up the virtualhost > > > > (window:/etc/httpd/sites.d/gtkmm.org.conf) and restarted apache. > > > > > > > > Add '209.132.176.176 www.gtkmm.org' to your /etc/hosts and you should be > > > > able to test it with your browser. I'd test it myself, but my ISP uses a > > > > bloody annoying transparent caching/proxy, so I'd have to fiddle about > > > > with VPNs or my own proxy to test it myself from here and I'm in a rush > > > > atm. Sorry. > > > > > > That works, though SSI is not turned on. > > > > > > > Sorry, my fault. An egregious typo in the Apache conf. Try again. > > Thanks. That seems to work now. > > Would this be the final location for the website files? > I was going to set up a mechanism to auto-update the site from CVS, as we have for several other sites. I was putting this off because we are planning to move to Subversion shortly, so I didn't want to have to do the job twice, iyswim. Please feel free to send a reminder about this to 'support at gnome.org' so a ticket gets set up and assigned to me so I don't forget, and I'll try to complete this when things are ready and I have a few moments. > Without wanting to appear at all ungrateful for your own hard work, it > seems like we might not have the sysadmin resources to really support > extra web sites. For instance, I'm not convinced that everything is > documented enough that I wouldn't have to wait a few weeks to have the > website restored in the event of another server hack/failure. Am I wrong > about this? > No, you're quite right - we're not quite SourceForge ;) Currently, we have a small team of volunteer sysadmins, who would rather concentrate on keeping the core GNOME services up and running than try to manage all the requests involved in maintaining a-hundred-and-one different projects domains names, websites and mailing lists. We do offer these services to those that need them and will always do our best to do as professional a job as possible (as can be expected for spare-time volunteer sysadmins). We obviously can't provide guarantees and service level agreements. > I might decide to use my own hosting account for this, though I'm afraid > of how much bandwidth it could cost me, and other gtkmm developers would > probably prefer not to depend on me either. > This is entirely your decision to make, depending on the needs of your project and the resources available to it. Given the choice between paid-for hosting (with an SLA, support contract etc) and free web hosting on the GNOME servers, I know which I'd choose ;^) -- Ross From mgalgoci at redhat.com Fri Jul 7 14:36:49 2006 From: mgalgoci at redhat.com (Matthew Galgoci) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:36:49 -0400 Subject: Firewall modification request In-Reply-To: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> References: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> Message-ID: > Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 17:13:37 +1000 > From: Jeff Waugh > To: Matthew Galgoci > Cc: GNOME Infrastructure > Subject: Firewall modification request > > Hi Matthew, > > Could you please open the following ports to label.gnome.org: > > 5222/tcp > 5223/tcp > 5269/tcp Easy enough, just what are they for in case I'm asked? -- Matthew Galgoci IS Production Operations Red Hat, Inc 919.754.3700 x44155 From murrayc at murrayc.com Mon Jul 10 08:28:15 2006 From: murrayc at murrayc.com (Murray Cumming) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:28:15 +0200 (CEST) Subject: www.gtkmm.org hosting In-Reply-To: <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> References: <1143130036.6942.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143130109.6942.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143209101.12253.18.camel@yellow> <1143209712.5969.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144063086.6062.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1145376467.17987.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149102258.5720.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149106990.5720.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149168356.5197.5.camel@green> <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <23981.194.138.18.132.1152520095.squirrel@webmail.murrayc.com> > > On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 14:37 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > >> > seems like we might not have the sysadmin resources to really support >> > extra web sites. > > GNOME projects are not extra web sites, really. We should find a balance > between project websites requirements and sysadmin realistic resources. > > Murray, it would be great if you could start a list of requirements > based on your own needs for gtkmm.org. Then we can improve these > requirements checking with other GNOME projects, and after that we > "negotiate" with the sysadmins what can we really offer. gtkmm.org is probably the simplest web site possible, because I like to keep things simple, and I wanted to be able to easily move the site to a different host. It's just HTML with SSI, with no interactivity. If gtkmm.org uses the same system as www.gnome.org - svn/cvs checkout at the moment, then I'll be reasonably happy about it, and I can move it away again fairly quickly if necessary. I think I'm being too cautious. So, I'll happily wait for the svn transition and try hosting gtkmm.org on the GNOME servers. > With this we get a official and documented offer to GNOME projects. > Those happy with it can come and be served. Those with special needs can > try to increase the requirements accepted or go elsewhere. > > None of this solves your problem now, it will be helpful in the future > though. Feel free to suggest a timeline for the planning process at > http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/DevelopmentTimeline Murray Cumming murrayc at murrayc.com www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com From ross at golder.org Mon Jul 10 15:05:25 2006 From: ross at golder.org (Ross Golder) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 22:05:25 +0700 Subject: www.gtkmm.org hosting In-Reply-To: <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> References: <1143130036.6942.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143130109.6942.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143209101.12253.18.camel@yellow> <1143209712.5969.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144063086.6062.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1145376467.17987.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149102258.5720.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149106990.5720.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149168356.5197.5.camel@green> <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1152543926.9094.30.camel@red> On Mon, 2006-07-10 at 10:23 +0200, Quim Gil wrote: > On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 14:37 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > > > > seems like we might not have the sysadmin resources to really support > > > extra web sites. > > GNOME projects are not extra web sites, really. We should find a balance > between project websites requirements and sysadmin realistic resources. > > Murray, it would be great if you could start a list of requirements > based on your own needs for gtkmm.org. Then we can improve these > requirements checking with other GNOME projects, and after that we > "negotiate" with the sysadmins what can we really offer. > > With this we get a official and documented offer to GNOME projects. > Those happy with it can come and be served. Those with special needs can > try to increase the requirements accepted or go elsewhere. > I have been considering starting (another) internal thread on how we can widen the GNOME sysadmin team some more. We made a request for sysadmin volunteers a couple of years ago, and got a good response, but unfortunately we turned most of them down and only took up a few of them on their offers, as we only needed a few more pairs of hands at the time. Now we have a small influx of new hardware and hosting offers, we are going to need to make sure they don't sit idle waiting for us to get round to them. I think we are going to need to consider taking on a few more worthy volunteers into the team to help prepare and execute any plans we will be drawing up and help maintain a certain level of service etc. Anyway, what with the subversion migration and other (non-GNOME) work, I'll be a bit busy for the next few weeks, but hopefully by the time that settles, Murray (and anyone else with an opinion) should have started setting some of the expectations and we can begin to discuss how to meet them ;) I look forward to seeing them. -- Ross From jdub at perkypants.org Mon Jul 10 20:27:14 2006 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 06:27:14 +1000 Subject: Widen the team? [was: www.gtkmm.org hosting] In-Reply-To: <1152543926.9094.30.camel@red> References: <1149106990.5720.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149168356.5197.5.camel@green> <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> <1152543926.9094.30.camel@red> Message-ID: <20060710202714.GO655@waugh.id.au> > I have been considering starting (another) internal thread on how we can > widen the GNOME sysadmin team some more. Sorry to be characteristically blunt, but we don't need more people - that would just complicate matters more - what we do need is more attentive and more professional people. I have been surprised and dismayed at the recent issues we've been having and the actions taken to paper over or dodge them rather than actually fix them. Our machines have always been in a somewhat mediocre state, but the current churn and reactive approach to improvement is taking its toll. Now, this is not all gar... It's been obvious over the past month that I have been paying much more attention to sysadmin issues. So I'm not idly complaining - I intend to spend more time on it. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ If Perl is gaffer, and Python is Magic Tape, then Ruby is self-adhesive plate gold. From behdad at behdad.org Tue Jul 11 17:03:47 2006 From: behdad at behdad.org (Behdad Esfahbod) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:03:47 -0400 Subject: Subversion migration recap (cut-off Friday July 14th) In-Reply-To: <1152444988.9101.16.camel@red> References: <1152444988.9101.16.camel@red> Message-ID: <1152637427.2850.8.camel@home> I have some concerns about how per-module repos are going to work: 1) How/when can we group modules into one repo? For example, it might make sense to group glib, pango, and gtk+ into one repo. But that makes it harder to remember/guess the repo paths. 2) Even if we dictate one repo per module: - What are the regulations for creating new repos? Any committer can ask and granted a new repo in a matter of a few hours? - If not, or even if yes, I believe people will start adding new modules into the repos they currently own. For example, if I want to create a pango-benchmark module, I definitely go with the existing pango repo instead of asking for a new one, and that again defeats the identity module-repo mapping. Regards, behdad On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 07:36 -0400, Ross Golder wrote: > Hi guys, > > I hope you have all recovered from GUADEC. As you have all probably long > forgotten by now, we are scheduled to migrate the GNOME CVS repository > to Subversion next weekend. Friday night at 23:59UTC to be precise. That > means that the migration will probably be under way this time next week. > > Here's an update on the status of the main issues. > > > Archive history issues > ---------------------- > > Unfortunately, during it's lifetime the GNOME CVS server has suffered > several accidental clock resets (to a point in 1997). The timestamps > listed in some of the CVS ',v' files are not always correct and in > chronological order. This led to some problems high-lighted by James > Henstridge: > > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-infrastructure/2006-February/msg00059.html > > Despite lengthy discussions with Michael Haggerty, the current > maintainer of cvs2svn, and several patches attempting to work around the > problem, it seems that it is unlikely that we'll be able to eliminate > the problem entirely - only use the patches we've developed to alleviate > the problem in the many cases. The most recent few mail exchanges on the > subject are archived here: > > http://cvs2svn.tigris.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=dev&by=date&from=2006-07-01&to=2006-07-31&first=1&count=4 > > At any rate, we will not be able to rely on the subversion archive to > recreate historical versions. To a certain extent, we can't really rely > on the CVS archive either, as various 'CVS surgery' operations will have > taken place over the years, in addition to the clockskew problems. > However, I will make sure the CVS archives stay on-line in > read-only/anonymous mode indefinitely in order to keep that history > publicly available as it was at the time of the cut-off. > > The thing to remember is that this issue will only affect a small > minority of the GNOME modules - the majority, esp newer modules, won't > suffer this problem and you should still be able to retrieve reasonably > faithful historical checkouts from either system in most cases. > > > Migration order > --------------- > > One downside will be that to migrate the entire CVS repository is that > we have a *lot* of history. Current indications are that - worse case > scenario - it could take the best part of a month to complete. > Obviously, lots of hackers aren't going to want to wait this long before > they can continue making commits to their module. So this is how I'm > thinking of determining the migration order. > > We have three 'priority' lists, and then the rest. The first priority > list will contain a list of any modules developers specifically request > are treated as priority, as they expect to be working with them within > hours/days of the migration cut-off (send your requests to me off the > list now). The second priority list will contain a list of other modules > we consider relatively urgent, such as the 'www.gnome.org' website in > case we decide to change anything about of homepage. The third priority > list is compiled from a list of the most active modules from the last > year in activity order (compiled from a query on 'bonsai-svn' from a > fairly recent test migration). Then, the whole list of modules is > processed for any not handled above. This can be seen in the migration > script 'create-svnrepos.sh', which is linked to and explained here: > > http://live.gnome.org/Subversion > > Obviously, at 23:59UTC the whole CVS archive will become read-only. As > each CVS module is being migrated to a Subversion repository, it will be > available read-only (for checkout and in viewcvs). When each module's > subversion repository has been successfully migrated, the repository > perms will reset so GNOME developers can proceed to make commits. > > As each module gets migrated, an '.out' file will be generated > containing the output of the cvs2svn run (for the curious). These can be > quite big sometimes, so the last few lines (containing the migration > statistics) will be directed into a '.tail' file and the whole output > file is bzip2'ed down. You should be able to see this happening here for > the running test migration here: > > http://svn.gnome.org/migration/ > > As you can see from the date-stamps, the recent test migration is > currently only migrating 25-30 reasonable sized modules a day. We > currently have over 860 modules, so it could be about a month before all > the modules have been migrated and are ready. I think I can get this > time down with a few changes to the script to make better use of SMP > etc, but the bottleneck will probably become I/O. Good thing we weren't > thinking about creating a monolithic repository, eh?! :) > > Now would be an ideal opportunity to let us know about any old CVS > modules you know about that are redundant, so we can put them out of the > way in the Attic before the migration. > > > Shouldn't we be cancelling or postponing the migration again? > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > I don't believe the history problems warrant us postponing or cancelling > the migration (again). If we do, it is unlikely that these problems will > ever be solved and we will probably be stuck with CVS until the cows > come home. We must move forward. However, I expect there will be some > who feel may feel a bit edgy about the migration. > > So, unless I hear otherwise, either from the board or if a significant > number of people raise objections in the next week (or both), the > migration will begin as scheduled next weekend, using our current > best-effort clock-skew alleviation patches. > > I will obviously continue to do everything I can to ensure that all the > angles are covered and that the actual migration goes as smoothly and > efficiently as possible. > > > More information > ---------------- > > Anything else I have thought of and/or covered should be written up > here: > > http://live.gnome.org/Subversion > > Please send questions or comments to 'gnome-infrastructure at gnome.org', > or drop by on irc.gnome.org/#sysadmin. Thanks. > > -- > Ross > > > _______________________________________________ > foundation-list mailing list > foundation-list at gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- behdad http://behdad.org/ "Commandment Three says Do Not Kill, Amendment Two says Blood Will Spill" -- Dan Bern, "New American Language" From ross at golder.org Wed Jul 12 02:41:18 2006 From: ross at golder.org (Ross Golder) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:41:18 +0700 Subject: Subversion migration recap (cut-off Friday July 14th) In-Reply-To: <1152637427.2850.8.camel@home> References: <1152444988.9101.16.camel@red> <1152637427.2850.8.camel@home> Message-ID: <1152672078.8617.16.camel@rossg-desktop> On Tue, 2006-07-11 at 13:03 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > I have some concerns about how per-module repos are going to work: > > 1) How/when can we group modules into one repo? For example, it might > make sense to group glib, pango, and gtk+ into one repo. But that makes > it harder to remember/guess the repo paths. > Those are probably decisions to be made by the module owners, according to their longer-term requirements. If you need to move a portion of code between modules, the best thing to do is to 'svn add' it into the destination and 'svn rm' it from the source (obv w/relevant pointers in the commit message). Sysadmin shouldn't need to get involved, but can advise where necessary. > 2) Even if we dictate one repo per module: > > - What are the regulations for creating new repos? Any committer can > ask and granted a new repo in a matter of a few hours? > Something like that: http://live.gnome.org/NewSVNRepos > - If not, or even if yes, I believe people will start adding new > modules into the repos they currently own. For example, if I want to > create a pango-benchmark module, I definitely go with the existing pango > repo instead of asking for a new one, and that again defeats the > identity module-repo mapping. > That's entirely up to them :) It's their project. There are no strict requirements to force their decisions AFAIK. -- Ross > > > > On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 07:36 -0400, Ross Golder wrote: > > Hi guys, > > > > I hope you have all recovered from GUADEC. As you have all probably long > > forgotten by now, we are scheduled to migrate the GNOME CVS repository > > to Subversion next weekend. Friday night at 23:59UTC to be precise. That > > means that the migration will probably be under way this time next week. > > > > Here's an update on the status of the main issues. > > > > > > Archive history issues > > ---------------------- > > > > Unfortunately, during it's lifetime the GNOME CVS server has suffered > > several accidental clock resets (to a point in 1997). The timestamps > > listed in some of the CVS ',v' files are not always correct and in > > chronological order. This led to some problems high-lighted by James > > Henstridge: > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-infrastructure/2006-February/msg00059.html > > > > Despite lengthy discussions with Michael Haggerty, the current > > maintainer of cvs2svn, and several patches attempting to work around the > > problem, it seems that it is unlikely that we'll be able to eliminate > > the problem entirely - only use the patches we've developed to alleviate > > the problem in the many cases. The most recent few mail exchanges on the > > subject are archived here: > > > > http://cvs2svn.tigris.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=dev&by=date&from=2006-07-01&to=2006-07-31&first=1&count=4 > > > > At any rate, we will not be able to rely on the subversion archive to > > recreate historical versions. To a certain extent, we can't really rely > > on the CVS archive either, as various 'CVS surgery' operations will have > > taken place over the years, in addition to the clockskew problems. > > However, I will make sure the CVS archives stay on-line in > > read-only/anonymous mode indefinitely in order to keep that history > > publicly available as it was at the time of the cut-off. > > > > The thing to remember is that this issue will only affect a small > > minority of the GNOME modules - the majority, esp newer modules, won't > > suffer this problem and you should still be able to retrieve reasonably > > faithful historical checkouts from either system in most cases. > > > > > > Migration order > > --------------- > > > > One downside will be that to migrate the entire CVS repository is that > > we have a *lot* of history. Current indications are that - worse case > > scenario - it could take the best part of a month to complete. > > Obviously, lots of hackers aren't going to want to wait this long before > > they can continue making commits to their module. So this is how I'm > > thinking of determining the migration order. > > > > We have three 'priority' lists, and then the rest. The first priority > > list will contain a list of any modules developers specifically request > > are treated as priority, as they expect to be working with them within > > hours/days of the migration cut-off (send your requests to me off the > > list now). The second priority list will contain a list of other modules > > we consider relatively urgent, such as the 'www.gnome.org' website in > > case we decide to change anything about of homepage. The third priority > > list is compiled from a list of the most active modules from the last > > year in activity order (compiled from a query on 'bonsai-svn' from a > > fairly recent test migration). Then, the whole list of modules is > > processed for any not handled above. This can be seen in the migration > > script 'create-svnrepos.sh', which is linked to and explained here: > > > > http://live.gnome.org/Subversion > > > > Obviously, at 23:59UTC the whole CVS archive will become read-only. As > > each CVS module is being migrated to a Subversion repository, it will be > > available read-only (for checkout and in viewcvs). When each module's > > subversion repository has been successfully migrated, the repository > > perms will reset so GNOME developers can proceed to make commits. > > > > As each module gets migrated, an '.out' file will be generated > > containing the output of the cvs2svn run (for the curious). These can be > > quite big sometimes, so the last few lines (containing the migration > > statistics) will be directed into a '.tail' file and the whole output > > file is bzip2'ed down. You should be able to see this happening here for > > the running test migration here: > > > > http://svn.gnome.org/migration/ > > > > As you can see from the date-stamps, the recent test migration is > > currently only migrating 25-30 reasonable sized modules a day. We > > currently have over 860 modules, so it could be about a month before all > > the modules have been migrated and are ready. I think I can get this > > time down with a few changes to the script to make better use of SMP > > etc, but the bottleneck will probably become I/O. Good thing we weren't > > thinking about creating a monolithic repository, eh?! :) > > > > Now would be an ideal opportunity to let us know about any old CVS > > modules you know about that are redundant, so we can put them out of the > > way in the Attic before the migration. > > > > > > Shouldn't we be cancelling or postponing the migration again? > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > I don't believe the history problems warrant us postponing or cancelling > > the migration (again). If we do, it is unlikely that these problems will > > ever be solved and we will probably be stuck with CVS until the cows > > come home. We must move forward. However, I expect there will be some > > who feel may feel a bit edgy about the migration. > > > > So, unless I hear otherwise, either from the board or if a significant > > number of people raise objections in the next week (or both), the > > migration will begin as scheduled next weekend, using our current > > best-effort clock-skew alleviation patches. > > > > I will obviously continue to do everything I can to ensure that all the > > angles are covered and that the actual migration goes as smoothly and > > efficiently as possible. > > > > > > More information > > ---------------- > > > > Anything else I have thought of and/or covered should be written up > > here: > > > > http://live.gnome.org/Subversion > > > > Please send questions or comments to 'gnome-infrastructure at gnome.org', > > or drop by on irc.gnome.org/#sysadmin. Thanks. > > > > -- > > Ross > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > foundation-list mailing list > > foundation-list at gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list From ross at golder.org Wed Jul 12 05:29:35 2006 From: ross at golder.org (Ross Golder) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:29:35 +0700 Subject: Responsibility for mail server, impact on Subversion In-Reply-To: <20060712051132.GN655@waugh.id.au> References: <20060712051132.GN655@waugh.id.au> Message-ID: <1152682175.8617.36.camel@rossg-desktop> On Wed, 2006-07-12 at 15:11 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > Hi all, > > A number of people have suggested that it would be irresponsible to do the > Subversion migration while our mail infrastructure is in the terrible state > that it is. I strongly agree... and suggest that we commit to delaying the > Subversion migration if the mail infrastructure is not functioning reliably > by Monday. As unfortunate as it would be to delay, we can not responsibly > expect our users to cope with such a change without fully functioning mail > services for support and co-ordination. > > To back this up, I would like to own the responsibility for getting our mail > services back up and running reliably. This problem needs a clear owner, not > fresh layers of temporary fixes, trial and error experiments and incomplete > analysis. *No* changes should be made without confirmation, unless a serious > emergency change is required in which case you should follow up to this mail > both on list and directly to my address. This means mail server config on > all our machines... and (!!!) firewall configuration related to mail server > functions. > > This will allow Ross (and perhaps others, if he needs them) to focus 100% on > preparing for and documenting the Subversion migration, which is *extremely* > important to get right, while ensuring that we do not make more mistakes as > we attempt to fix the mail server infrastructure. > > Thanks, > > - Jeff > Discussed on IRC and agreed. Jeff owns the mail problem now. -- Ross From jdub at perkypants.org Wed Jul 12 05:11:32 2006 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:11:32 +1000 Subject: Responsibility for mail server, impact on Subversion Message-ID: <20060712051132.GN655@waugh.id.au> Hi all, A number of people have suggested that it would be irresponsible to do the Subversion migration while our mail infrastructure is in the terrible state that it is. I strongly agree... and suggest that we commit to delaying the Subversion migration if the mail infrastructure is not functioning reliably by Monday. As unfortunate as it would be to delay, we can not responsibly expect our users to cope with such a change without fully functioning mail services for support and co-ordination. To back this up, I would like to own the responsibility for getting our mail services back up and running reliably. This problem needs a clear owner, not fresh layers of temporary fixes, trial and error experiments and incomplete analysis. *No* changes should be made without confirmation, unless a serious emergency change is required in which case you should follow up to this mail both on list and directly to my address. This means mail server config on all our machines... and (!!!) firewall configuration related to mail server functions. This will allow Ross (and perhaps others, if he needs them) to focus 100% on preparing for and documenting the Subversion migration, which is *extremely* important to get right, while ensuring that we do not make more mistakes as we attempt to fix the mail server infrastructure. Thanks, - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ What do you get when you cross a web server and a hen? Apoache. From qgil at desdeamericaconamor.org Mon Jul 10 08:23:47 2006 From: qgil at desdeamericaconamor.org (Quim Gil) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:23:47 +0200 Subject: www.gtkmm.org hosting In-Reply-To: <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> References: <1143130036.6942.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143130109.6942.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143209101.12253.18.camel@yellow> <1143209712.5969.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144063086.6062.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1145376467.17987.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149102258.5720.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149106990.5720.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149168356.5197.5.camel@green> <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> Message-ID: <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 14:37 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > > seems like we might not have the sysadmin resources to really support > > extra web sites. GNOME projects are not extra web sites, really. We should find a balance between project websites requirements and sysadmin realistic resources. Murray, it would be great if you could start a list of requirements based on your own needs for gtkmm.org. Then we can improve these requirements checking with other GNOME projects, and after that we "negotiate" with the sysadmins what can we really offer. With this we get a official and documented offer to GNOME projects. Those happy with it can come and be served. Those with special needs can try to increase the requirements accepted or go elsewhere. None of this solves your problem now, it will be helpful in the future though. Feel free to suggest a timeline for the planning process at http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/DevelopmentTimeline -- Quim Gil /// http://desdeamericaconamor.org | http://guadec.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : /archives/gnome-infrastructure/attachments/20060710/30fb1e65/attachment-0001.bin From jdub at perkypants.org Wed Jul 12 14:47:12 2006 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:47:12 +1000 Subject: mailman round trip test Message-ID: <20060712144712.GZ655@waugh.id.au> This is the list that has to suffer test emails. Suffer in your jocks, etc. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ From jdub at perkypants.org Wed Jul 12 15:07:18 2006 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:07:18 +1000 Subject: mailman round trip test In-Reply-To: <20060712144712.GZ655@waugh.id.au> References: <20060712144712.GZ655@waugh.id.au> Message-ID: <20060712150718.GA655@waugh.id.au> > This is the list that has to suffer test emails. Suffer in your jocks, etc. Another round-trip test. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ Great minds think different? From jdub at perkypants.org Wed Jul 12 15:10:21 2006 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:10:21 +1000 Subject: mailman round trip test In-Reply-To: <20060712150718.GA655@waugh.id.au> References: <20060712144712.GZ655@waugh.id.au> <20060712150718.GA655@waugh.id.au> Message-ID: <20060712151021.GB655@waugh.id.au> > Another round-trip test. Hah: 01:07:18 - leaves laptop, to gnome.org 01:08:26 - returns laptop, via gnome.org Sweet. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "World domination is a community responsibility." - Michael Hall, LinuxPlanet From jdub at perkypants.org Wed Jul 12 15:36:53 2006 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:36:53 +1000 Subject: mailman round trip test In-Reply-To: <20060712151021.GB655@waugh.id.au> References: <20060712144712.GZ655@waugh.id.au> <20060712150718.GA655@waugh.id.au> <20060712151021.GB655@waugh.id.au> Message-ID: <20060712153653.GD655@waugh.id.au> > > Another round-trip test. > Sweet. Tripping again. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "Openness cannot be assumed, it must be asserted in order to be assured." - Christopher Kelty From hadess at hadess.net Wed Jul 12 16:44:23 2006 From: hadess at hadess.net (Bastien Nocera) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:44:23 +0100 Subject: ping Message-ID: <1152722663.11334.52.camel@wyatt.hadess.net> ping From matthias.clasen at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 16:41:55 2006 From: matthias.clasen at gmail.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:41:55 -0400 Subject: ping Message-ID: ping From kevin at kubasik.net Wed Jul 12 16:42:01 2006 From: kevin at kubasik.net (Kevin Kubasik) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:42:01 -0400 Subject: ping In-Reply-To: <1152722663.11334.52.camel@wyatt.hadess.net> References: <1152722663.11334.52.camel@wyatt.hadess.net> Message-ID: <88d636060607120942x5e3d4e8aw689837a7065548f3@mail.gmail.com> pong.... On 7/12/06, Bastien Nocera wrote: > ping > > > _______________________________________________ > Gnome-infrastructure mailing list > Gnome-infrastructure at gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-infrastructure > -- Cheers, Kevin Kubasik http://kubasik.net/blog From mclasen at redhat.com Wed Jul 12 16:45:18 2006 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:45:18 -0400 Subject: ping Message-ID: <1152722718.3048.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> ping From jdub at perkypants.org Wed Jul 12 16:50:07 2006 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:50:07 +1000 Subject: ping In-Reply-To: <1152722718.3048.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1152722718.3048.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060712165007.GE655@waugh.id.au> > ping (Pings prompted by me. Those on this mailing list can be content to suffer occasional non-mailing-list-like behaviour such as this. Jocks/suffer/etc.) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "Building a Kernel is a requirement for Securing Servers." - Oscar Plameras From jdub at perkypants.org Wed Jul 12 16:58:04 2006 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:58:04 +1000 Subject: mailgraph/qshape on menubar Message-ID: <20060712165804.GF655@waugh.id.au> Hey, I've installed mailgraph (and dependencies [1]) on menubar. This simple tool has become a staple of my mail server maintenance arsenal - it's very useful to have a quick visual guide to how your mail server is running. It's pretty interesting already. :-) I've also copied qshape from postfix 2.1.x into menubar:/usr/local/bin. This is another must-have tool for postfix administration, providing vastly more useful information than mailq: per-sender/recipient domain queue statistics. Thanks, - Jeff [1] http://nakedape.cc/ftp/nakedape/rhel3/rpm/ -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "That whole 'you complete me' thing is just tragic and totally unrealistic. Go complete yourself." - Anon From ross at golder.org Thu Jul 13 04:48:02 2006 From: ross at golder.org (Ross Golder) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:48:02 +0700 Subject: Time to move GGV to the Attic? (Was: Subversion migration recap (cut-off Friday July 14th)) In-Reply-To: <1152503442.4652.29.camel@cezanne.site> References: <1152444988.9101.16.camel@red> <1152503442.4652.29.camel@cezanne.site> Message-ID: <1152766082.17165.29.camel@rossg-desktop> On ??., 2006-07-09 at 21:50 -0600, Gary Ekker wrote: > On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 18:36 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > Now would be an ideal opportunity to let us know about any old CVS > > modules you know about that are redundant, so we can put them out of the > > way in the Attic before the migration. > > I think it is an appropriate time to move GGV to the Attic, we haven't > shipped it in GNOME for over a year. All feature development is now done > in the Evince project. I haven't checked, but I doubt any distros are > still shipping GGV. Bug fixing has slowed to almost nothing, and there > will likely never be another release... > OK, moved to the Attic. It can always be resurrected and migrated later if deemed necessary. -- Ross From ross at golder.org Thu Jul 13 06:19:26 2006 From: ross at golder.org (Ross Golder) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:19:26 +0700 Subject: Delay in mail from GNOME In-Reply-To: <20051211143508.GB13357@bkor.dhs.org> References: <20051211143508.GB13357@bkor.dhs.org> Message-ID: <1152771566.17165.63.camel@rossg-desktop> On ??., 2005-12-11 at 15:35 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: > Mails from GNOME are delayed by at least 50min. Seems amavis is the > cause. See below for two headers. One of a Bugzilla mail. Another one of > a mailinglist mail from someone in the same timezone as me. In the > mailinglist mail I edited my email address, made no other changes. > > Still waiting on some emails. Not any more you're not :) -- Ross From ross at golder.org Thu Jul 13 07:33:51 2006 From: ross at golder.org (Ross Golder) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:33:51 +0700 Subject: Mail archives giving a 404 when searched In-Reply-To: <44ACFAC2.20507@kubasik.net> References: <44ACFAC2.20507@kubasik.net> Message-ID: <1152776031.17165.93.camel@rossg-desktop> On ??., 2006-07-06 at 07:57 -0400, Kevin Kubasik wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 > > I dunno if this was already known, or if it was an outstanding bug, go > to an active mailing list archive like > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/dashboard-hackers/ and type in a search > term, you'll get a Not Found message. Seemed like this was more > infrastructures territory than the web team, so I thought I'd go here > first. If its there thing, I can file a bug. I fixed the 404 recently, but the archive search still isn't perfect. There a bug for this: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74288 -- Ross From jdub at perkypants.org Thu Jul 13 07:43:42 2006 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:43:42 +1000 Subject: [Fwd: Another suggestion for easening the mail burden..] In-Reply-To: <1152774353.17165.86.camel@rossg-desktop> References: <1152774353.17165.86.camel@rossg-desktop> Message-ID: <20060713074342.GH655@waugh.id.au> > Just dug this suggestion from Stric up. Don't know if it makes any sense > in the context of the stuff you're doing... (Snip good suggestions about reducing the number of mails hitting Amavis.) So, I've *massively* reduced the number of mails going to Amavis simply by reducing the number of mails being allowed to go through the MTA. It looks like roughly 1 mail per second going through Amavis, which correlates with the number of received mails per minute (mpm) on mailgraph [1]. We can handle 75mpm, *internally*, no sweat. Realistically we can handle a heck of a lot more, even before we give Amavis more head room (cranking up its max_servers/max_requests, etc). So, certainly something to think about in the future, but now that we have good information about the behaviour of our mail load, we need to watch it for a while, to get a better grip on it over a useful period of time. Then we can start thinking about further optimisations. (Replying on gnome-infrastructure for temporal documentation purposes.) Thanks, - Jeff [1] http://mail.gnome.org/mailgraph.cgi - now with bonus virus/spam stats. -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "Linux continues to have almost as much soul as James Brown." - Forrest Cook, LWN From ross at golder.org Thu Jul 13 07:49:27 2006 From: ross at golder.org (Ross Golder) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:49:27 +0700 Subject: preparing for UTC timezone, corrections to cronjobs In-Reply-To: <448A8B9D.8010505@golder.org> References: <1108251195.11292.6.camel@nasu> <448A8B9D.8010505@golder.org> Message-ID: <1152776968.17165.96.camel@rossg-desktop> On ?., 2006-06-10 at 16:06 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > I would like to move ahead with this as soon as possible. Not only has > it been outstanding for way too long, it shouldn't be too hard or scary > to do, it shouldn't break anything (at least not irreparably), and would > be nice to get done and be allowed to settle before GUADEC. Thanks for > doing the groundwork Toni (and Kurt) - now it's about time we did > something about it :) > > I am proposing to action this tomorrow at about 0800UTC. Does anyone > have any objections or foresee any problems? > Done now. FTR, I copied /usr/share/zoneinfo/UTC to /etc/localtime on all six machines, and updated the crontab entries identified by Toni. -- Ross From vuntz at gnome.org Thu Jul 13 10:03:37 2006 From: vuntz at gnome.org (Vincent Untz) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:03:37 +0200 Subject: Time to move GGV to the Attic? (Was: Subversion migration recap (cut-off Friday July 14th)) In-Reply-To: <1152766082.17165.29.camel@rossg-desktop> References: <1152444988.9101.16.camel@red> <1152503442.4652.29.camel@cezanne.site> <1152766082.17165.29.camel@rossg-desktop> Message-ID: <20060713100337.GB28420@vuntz.net> Le jeudi 13 juillet 2006, ? 11:48, Ross Golder a ?crit : > On ??., 2006-07-09 at 21:50 -0600, Gary Ekker wrote: > > On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 18:36 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > > Now would be an ideal opportunity to let us know about any old CVS > > > modules you know about that are redundant, so we can put them out of the > > > way in the Attic before the migration. > > > > I think it is an appropriate time to move GGV to the Attic, we haven't > > shipped it in GNOME for over a year. All feature development is now done > > in the Evince project. I haven't checked, but I doubt any distros are > > still shipping GGV. Bug fixing has slowed to almost nothing, and there > > will likely never be another release... > > > > OK, moved to the Attic. It can always be resurrected and migrated later > if deemed necessary. Err, I thought we had a special CVS Root for this: archives. http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/?root=archive Attic is inappropriate for this, IMHO. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas press?s. From ross at golder.org Thu Jul 13 12:13:11 2006 From: ross at golder.org (Ross Golder) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:13:11 +0700 Subject: Time to move GGV to the Attic? (Was: Subversion migration recap (cut-off Friday July 14th)) In-Reply-To: <20060713100337.GB28420@vuntz.net> References: <1152444988.9101.16.camel@red> <1152503442.4652.29.camel@cezanne.site> <1152766082.17165.29.camel@rossg-desktop> <20060713100337.GB28420@vuntz.net> Message-ID: <1152792791.5844.0.camel@rossg-desktop> On ??., 2006-07-13 at 12:03 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > Le jeudi 13 juillet 2006, ? 11:48, Ross Golder a ?crit : > > On ??., 2006-07-09 at 21:50 -0600, Gary Ekker wrote: > > > On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 18:36 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > > > Now would be an ideal opportunity to let us know about any old CVS > > > > modules you know about that are redundant, so we can put them out of the > > > > way in the Attic before the migration. > > > > > > I think it is an appropriate time to move GGV to the Attic, we haven't > > > shipped it in GNOME for over a year. All feature development is now done > > > in the Evince project. I haven't checked, but I doubt any distros are > > > still shipping GGV. Bug fixing has slowed to almost nothing, and there > > > will likely never be another release... > > > > > > > OK, moved to the Attic. It can always be resurrected and migrated later > > if deemed necessary. > > Err, I thought we had a special CVS Root for this: archives. > http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/?root=archive > > Attic is inappropriate for this, IMHO. > > Vincent > OK. I wasn't aware of that. Moved from the Attic to the archive. -- Ross From andy at andycc.net Mon Jul 10 18:18:16 2006 From: andy at andycc.net (Andy Shellam) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:18:16 +0100 Subject: www.gtkmm.org hosting In-Reply-To: <1152543926.9094.30.camel@red> References: <1143130036.6942.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143130109.6942.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143209101.12253.18.camel@yellow> <1143209712.5969.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144063086.6062.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1145376467.17987.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149102258.5720.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149106990.5720.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149168356.5197.5.camel@green> <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> <1152543926.9094.30.camel@red> Message-ID: <44B299E8.8010607@andycc.net> Hi Ross (and others): If you can give a list of skills required, what sort of systems you manage, future expectations etc, (I suppose similar to a job spec), I'd definitely be interested in helping out :) I currently run my own web, database and e-mail servers (Linux w/ Gnome of course ;) ), and I'm a software analyst by day-time profession, but have commercial experience in managing Windows, Linux and Unix servers, and our server estate at work covers 200+ servers. I'd love to see if I can offer anything to team :) Regards Andy Ross Golder wrote: > I have been considering starting (another) internal thread on how we can > widen the GNOME sysadmin team some more. We made a request for sysadmin > volunteers a couple of years ago, and got a good response, but > unfortunately we turned most of them down and only took up a few of them > on their offers, as we only needed a few more pairs of hands at the > time. > > Now we have a small influx of new hardware and hosting offers, we are > going to need to make sure they don't sit idle waiting for us to get > round to them. I think we are going to need to consider taking on a few > more worthy volunteers into the team to help prepare and execute any > plans we will be drawing up and help maintain a certain level of service > etc. > > Anyway, what with the subversion migration and other (non-GNOME) work, > I'll be a bit busy for the next few weeks, but hopefully by the time > that settles, Murray (and anyone else with an opinion) should have > started setting some of the expectations and we can begin to discuss how > to meet them ;) I look forward to seeing them. > > -- > Ross > > > _______________________________________________ > Gnome-infrastructure mailing list > Gnome-infrastructure at gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-infrastructure > > !DSPAM:14,44b2888034531041548765! > > > From gekker at novell.com Mon Jul 10 03:50:41 2006 From: gekker at novell.com (Gary Ekker) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 21:50:41 -0600 Subject: Time to move GGV to the Attic? (Was: Subversion migration recap (cut-off Friday July 14th)) In-Reply-To: <1152444988.9101.16.camel@red> References: <1152444988.9101.16.camel@red> Message-ID: <1152503442.4652.29.camel@cezanne.site> On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 18:36 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > Now would be an ideal opportunity to let us know about any old CVS > modules you know about that are redundant, so we can put them out of the > way in the Attic before the migration. I think it is an appropriate time to move GGV to the Attic, we haven't shipped it in GNOME for over a year. All feature development is now done in the Evince project. I haven't checked, but I doubt any distros are still shipping GGV. Bug fixing has slowed to almost nothing, and there will likely never be another release... That said I'm not sure if there are criteria that a module has to meet before it is archived. I'm about to leave town on holiday, and won't have access to email until after the migration begins, so I can't participate in any pre-migration discussion this may generate. The GGV module can definitely be one of the last, if it is even necessary to migrate it at all. -Gary From toni at willberg.fi Thu Jul 13 09:50:15 2006 From: toni at willberg.fi (Toni Willberg) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:50:15 +0300 Subject: Widen the team? [was: www.gtkmm.org hosting] In-Reply-To: <20060710202714.GO655@waugh.id.au> References: <1149106990.5720.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149168356.5197.5.camel@green> <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> <1152543926.9094.30.camel@red> <20060710202714.GO655@waugh.id.au> Message-ID: <44B61757.1030805@willberg.fi> Jeff Waugh kirjoitti: > > >> I have been considering starting (another) internal thread on how we can >> widen the GNOME sysadmin team some more. > > Sorry to be characteristically blunt, but we don't need more people - that > would just complicate matters more - what we do need is more attentive and > more professional people. I have been surprised and dismayed at the recent > issues we've been having and the actions taken to paper over or dodge them > rather than actually fix them. Our machines have always been in a somewhat > mediocre state, but the current churn and reactive approach to improvement > is taking its toll. Now, this is not all gar... It's been obvious over the > past month that I have been paying much more attention to sysadmin issues. > So I'm not idly complaining - I intend to spend more time on it. > > - Jeff > My opinion (based on experience) is that the Foundation should hire one part-time system administrator to take care of mission critical services. The volunteer sysadmin team would be doing whatever they (we) have been doing as usual, but the head of the team would be actually responsible of things (also in legal perspective). This arrangement should avoid some of the pingpong issues we have had in the past. In my opinion some of the delays have been caused by the fact that there has been no-one who can (or have been willing to) make decisions about certain things. If the idea gets support, could someone please escalate this to the Foundation, thanks. - Toni ps. sorry about not having time to do sysadmin tasks actively anymore :( From kevin at kubasik.net Thu Jul 13 13:27:42 2006 From: kevin at kubasik.net (Kevin Kubasik) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:27:42 -0400 Subject: Debian Server Compramise Message-ID: <88d636060607130627j70ff9ca6g6125746d5a353e7a@mail.gmail.com> I know this isn't all that exciting or relevant (I guess its pretty common for servers to be compromised) but I feel most OSS projects see this far less often then corporate systems. Regardless, It appears one of Debian's servers was compromised, while they haven't made much in terms of details public, it might be worth a scan of our logs for anything suspicious if we have some hacker with an anti-OSS vendetta, or who is at least proficient against *nix based machines. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/07/msg00003.html Not trying to cry wolf or cite serious concern, but also if anyone on the list happens to know the debian sysadmins more personally, they may want to get specifics. -- Cheers, Kevin Kubasik http://kubasik.net/blog From jdub at perkypants.org Thu Jul 13 13:47:02 2006 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:47:02 +1000 Subject: Widen the team? [was: www.gtkmm.org hosting] In-Reply-To: <44B61757.1030805@willberg.fi> References: <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> <1152543926.9094.30.camel@red> <20060710202714.GO655@waugh.id.au> <44B61757.1030805@willberg.fi> Message-ID: <20060713134702.GJ655@waugh.id.au> > If the idea gets support, could someone please escalate this to the > Foundation, thanks. *board hat on* The GNOME Foundation Board is aware of this want/need, and is working toward putting the Foundation on much better financial footing, such that we could make this kind of investment safely. There is definitely no timeline for a sysadmin position opening, but it's definitely on the agenda for the future. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "And that's what it sounds like if you *download* it!" - John Linnell of They Might Be Giants From ross at golder.org Thu Jul 13 15:23:21 2006 From: ross at golder.org (Ross Golder) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 22:23:21 +0700 Subject: www.gtkmm.org hosting In-Reply-To: <44B299E8.8010607@andycc.net> References: <1143130036.6942.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143130109.6942.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143209101.12253.18.camel@yellow> <1143209712.5969.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144063086.6062.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1145376467.17987.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149102258.5720.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149106990.5720.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149168356.5197.5.camel@green> <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> <1152543926.9094.30.camel@red> <44B299E8.8010607@andycc.net> Message-ID: <1152804201.6333.9.camel@rossg-desktop> On ?., 2006-07-10 at 19:18 +0100, Andy Shellam wrote: > Hi Ross (and others): > > If you can give a list of skills required, what sort of systems you > manage, future expectations etc, (I suppose similar to a job spec), I'd > definitely be interested in helping out :) > > I currently run my own web, database and e-mail servers (Linux w/ Gnome > of course ;) ), and I'm a software analyst by day-time profession, but > have commercial experience in managing Windows, Linux and Unix servers, > and our server estate at work covers 200+ servers. > > I'd love to see if I can offer anything to team :) > A good place to start would be to read: http://live.gnome.org/HelpingSysadmin Thanks, -- Ross From kevin at kubasik.net Thu Jul 13 16:09:17 2006 From: kevin at kubasik.net (Kevin Kubasik) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:09:17 -0400 Subject: www.gtkmm.org hosting In-Reply-To: <1152804201.6333.9.camel@rossg-desktop> References: <1143130036.6942.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> <1152543926.9094.30.camel@red> <44B299E8.8010607@andycc.net> <1152804201.6333.9.camel@rossg-desktop> Message-ID: <88d636060607130909q6bbc0e84v29ffcdc0895cadea@mail.gmail.com> Hey, I am currently a member of the ModeratorTeam, but I was thinking of offering my help with the AccountsTeam, however, I was wondering what type of expertise this required as I am not very familiar with LDAP, and while I have experience administering most of the other services that Gnome provided, I have never done so with ldap. Does the account team require an intimate knowledge of ldap? And more importantly, is there a need for more account team members? -Kevin Kubasik On 7/13/06, Ross Golder wrote: > On ?., 2006-07-10 at 19:18 +0100, Andy Shellam wrote: > > Hi Ross (and others): > > > > If you can give a list of skills required, what sort of systems you > > manage, future expectations etc, (I suppose similar to a job spec), I'd > > definitely be interested in helping out :) > > > > I currently run my own web, database and e-mail servers (Linux w/ Gnome > > of course ;) ), and I'm a software analyst by day-time profession, but > > have commercial experience in managing Windows, Linux and Unix servers, > > and our server estate at work covers 200+ servers. > > > > I'd love to see if I can offer anything to team :) > > > > A good place to start would be to read: > > http://live.gnome.org/HelpingSysadmin > > Thanks, > > -- > Ross > > _______________________________________________ > Gnome-infrastructure mailing list > Gnome-infrastructure at gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-infrastructure -- Cheers, Kevin Kubasik http://kubasik.net/blog From guilherme.pastore at terra.com.br Thu Jul 13 17:07:05 2006 From: guilherme.pastore at terra.com.br (Guilherme de S. Pastore) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:07:05 -0300 Subject: Debian Server Compramise In-Reply-To: <88d636060607130627j70ff9ca6g6125746d5a353e7a@mail.gmail.com> References: <88d636060607130627j70ff9ca6g6125746d5a353e7a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1152810425.4949.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Il giorno gio, 13/07/2006 alle 09.27 -0400, Kevin Kubasik ha scritto: > Regardless, It appears one > of Debian's servers was compromised This is not the first time a Debian server is compromised, and the last time it happened it was much worse. As far as I can tell, both times it was a combination of a developer password being sniffed together with a rootkit, and that is exactly the reason gnome.org users do not have passwords. -- Guilherme de S. Pastore fatalerror From kevin at kubasik.net Thu Jul 13 18:07:11 2006 From: kevin at kubasik.net (Kevin Kubasik) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:07:11 -0400 Subject: Debian Server Compramise In-Reply-To: <1152810425.4949.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <88d636060607130627j70ff9ca6g6125746d5a353e7a@mail.gmail.com> <1152810425.4949.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <88d636060607131107p463c4499oc1cfa79f8b96331b@mail.gmail.com> Sounds peachy :) I am surprised to hear that the debian accounts have passwords and are not exclusivly keys. O well, Kevin Kubasik On 7/13/06, Guilherme de S. Pastore wrote: > Il giorno gio, 13/07/2006 alle 09.27 -0400, Kevin Kubasik ha scritto: > > Regardless, It appears one > > of Debian's servers was compromised > > This is not the first time a Debian server is compromised, and the last > time it happened it was much worse. As far as I can tell, both times it > was a combination of a developer password being sniffed together with a > rootkit, and that is exactly the reason gnome.org users do not have > passwords. > > -- > Guilherme de S. Pastore > fatalerror > > _______________________________________________ > Gnome-infrastructure mailing list > Gnome-infrastructure at gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-infrastructure > -- Cheers, Kevin Kubasik http://kubasik.net/blog From kevin at kubasik.net Sat Jul 15 23:57:21 2006 From: kevin at kubasik.net (Kevin Kubasik) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 19:57:21 -0400 Subject: Duplicate modules in SVN migration plan Message-ID: <44B980E1.9020403@kubasik.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 I just noticed that beagle is scheduled to be migrated twice, once with the first priority list, and once in the third. I don't know if it would actually be detrimental if this happened, but to save time we should probably check for any other duplicates. http://www.gnome.org/~rossg/migration-priority-1.list http://www.gnome.org/~rossg/migration-priority-2.list http://www.gnome.org/~rossg/migration-priority-3.list - -- Cheers, Kevin Kubasik 240-838-6616 http://kubasik.net/blog -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iQIVAwUBRLmA4f3xZFNDM330AQh5gg/+P6zwWLGACfPwoHPbYp3gIuo4j4dra7Or vkIIk5BgA0Kc2OdFuz7nqAoTM9VUBJ4er6osBDNvdemznljnVuR3DUYj38OKLW+B Nm1YGD7OkO6UbOPdUq1y3V7HJY4+So1I6jmi2KaP5yZpLI8RdaidLrBwjIuqE4G9 Va17lCdv9tjJEm0bg42EDIPVRreIe/lZAxq1BcpzIr2nFP62a/fdiqkKo1s3Rhah 9KgbHiGmOqF/DbnYiclFax0P9Zfqp2v4RrtTWnltEy/C5MreNXADxhu0E9dizwt/ CEkidcYbcKuk1UG8KrnUBgfBw7pEzvzCa+VSzMxr6MEkbo6qsfq9fZJh9bkSt+Af PhQr6umrani+S4HSWXvMCFfvpXhimH8ycFBrroIODYiCPEG5BfzUCI+roL0t8bRJ CxmrM4W2mIc5BchNACPh2ocz7RbFVMSdDSJN/nab3jw01QGv7p01cxEeyIomV845 6Am/b4M+UAYXW4TNP12sxkU2bakGEPYyyTaok2PW/3ptNIqJUCcQUdRogkbtJYia 0MYaYCYxp6VR5a7AvKuuPNljjWiuQorGupRlQIH9r9CnUkLiM84vKqVKeN8yEtDR NbxxxxQkSed0Q32qe+uGn1ML+MTm2EUkIg68Je9xRp6MRDYPvYrlMP9adpbrhCW6 /8ZxVWCLqag= =iRhu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From behdad at behdad.org Sun Jul 16 00:34:14 2006 From: behdad at behdad.org (Behdad Esfahbod) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 20:34:14 -0400 Subject: Subversion migration in progress: CVS is now read-only In-Reply-To: <20060715000727.GE655@waugh.id.au> References: <20060715000727.GE655@waugh.id.au> Message-ID: <1153010054.23526.13.camel@home> On Fri, 2006-07-14 at 20:07 -0400, Jeff Waugh wrote: > Good morning, freedom lovers! > > The migration from CVS to Subversion has begun. As of 00:00 UTC, CVS is read > only, and modules are being imported into the new Subversion repository. For > more information about the Subversion migration, please read: > > http://live.gnome.org/Subversion > > You can track modules during migration at... http://svn.gnome.org/migration/ Can we get Pango migrated before Monday? I'll be in away for conferences next week and expect to commit. Thanks behdad > Thanks, > > - Jeff > > -- > linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ > > 'unf' is walking into a door. > 'untz' is walking into a drum kit. -- behdad http://behdad.org/ "Commandment Three says Do Not Kill, Amendment Two says Blood Will Spill" -- Dan Bern, "New American Language" From jdub at perkypants.org Sun Jul 16 00:49:39 2006 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:49:39 +1000 Subject: More ping-a-lings Message-ID: <20060716004939.GB2821@waugh.id.au> Hey. Ping. Y'know? - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "I think hot Chinese girls who kick ass are the wave of the future, as far as films go." - Cody Russell From jdub at perkypants.org Sun Jul 16 01:18:31 2006 From: jdub at perkypants.org (jdub at perkypants.org) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 01:18:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: ping Message-ID: <20060716011831.AA01F3B0161@menubar.gnome.org> ping From ross at golder.org Sun Jul 16 05:22:26 2006 From: ross at golder.org (Ross Golder) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 12:22:26 +0700 Subject: Duplicate modules in SVN migration plan In-Reply-To: <44B980E1.9020403@kubasik.net> References: <44B980E1.9020403@kubasik.net> Message-ID: <1153027363.7084.24.camel@rossg-desktop> On ?., 2006-07-15 at 19:57 -0400, Kevin Kubasik wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 > > I just noticed that beagle is scheduled to be migrated twice, once with > the first priority list, and once in the third. I don't know if it would > actually be detrimental if this happened, but to save time we should > probably check for any other duplicates. > http://www.gnome.org/~rossg/migration-priority-1.list > http://www.gnome.org/~rossg/migration-priority-2.list > http://www.gnome.org/~rossg/migration-priority-3.list Duplicates aren't a problem. The script ignores any it's already converted. -- Ross From ross at golder.org Sun Jul 16 05:24:08 2006 From: ross at golder.org (Ross Golder) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 12:24:08 +0700 Subject: Subversion migration in progress: CVS is now read-only In-Reply-To: <1153010054.23526.13.camel@home> References: <20060715000727.GE655@waugh.id.au> <1153010054.23526.13.camel@home> Message-ID: <1153027465.7084.27.camel@rossg-desktop> On ?., 2006-07-15 at 20:34 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > On Fri, 2006-07-14 at 20:07 -0400, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > Good morning, freedom lovers! > > > > The migration from CVS to Subversion has begun. As of 00:00 UTC, CVS is read > > only, and modules are being imported into the new Subversion repository. For > > more information about the Subversion migration, please read: > > > > http://live.gnome.org/Subversion > > > > You can track modules during migration at... http://svn.gnome.org/migration/ > > Can we get Pango migrated before Monday? I'll be in away for > conferences next week and expect to commit. > > Thanks > behdad > Migration's cancelled for now. You should be able to commit to CVS as before. -- Ross From ross at golder.org Sun Jul 16 05:25:11 2006 From: ross at golder.org (Ross Golder) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 12:25:11 +0700 Subject: More ping-a-lings In-Reply-To: <20060716004939.GB2821@waugh.id.au> References: <20060716004939.GB2821@waugh.id.au> Message-ID: <1153027528.7084.29.camel@rossg-desktop> On ??., 2006-07-16 at 10:49 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > Hey. Ping. Y'know? > Yeah, pong and all. -- Ross From olav at bkor.dhs.org Sun Jul 16 08:42:11 2006 From: olav at bkor.dhs.org (Olav Vitters) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:42:11 +0200 Subject: Duplicate modules in SVN migration plan In-Reply-To: <44B980E1.9020403@kubasik.net> References: <44B980E1.9020403@kubasik.net> Message-ID: <20060716084211.GB18187@bkor.dhs.org> On Sat, Jul 15, 2006 at 07:57:21PM -0400, Kevin Kubasik wrote: > I just noticed that beagle is scheduled to be migrated twice, once with > the first priority list, and once in the third. I don't know if it would > actually be detrimental if this happened, but to save time we should > probably check for any other duplicates. Thanks for the heads up. This has already been thought of. Modules would not have been converted twice. -- Regards, Olav From mneptok at mneptok.com Sun Jul 16 08:50:20 2006 From: mneptok at mneptok.com (Kurt von Finck) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 04:50:20 -0400 Subject: ping In-Reply-To: <20060716011831.AA01F3B0161@menubar.gnome.org> References: <20060716011831.AA01F3B0161@menubar.gnome.org> Message-ID: <1153039820.10117.5.camel@localhost> On Sun, 2006-07-16 at 01:18 +0000, jdub at perkypants.org wrote: > ping pong? ./k kurt von finck -- http://www.mneptok.com mneptok at mneptok.com -- public key at: pgp.mit.edu server key id: 5229D26A -- Success is more a function of consistent common sense than it is of genius. - An Wang -- From jdub at perkypants.org Sun Jul 16 10:53:38 2006 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 20:53:38 +1000 Subject: round-trip test Message-ID: <20060716105338.GD2821@waugh.id.au> It is not necessary to answer this mail. When it hits the list, I will receive it too... :-) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ No match for "LINUSWEARSTHEPANTS.ORG". From jdub at perkypants.org Sun Jul 16 11:17:28 2006 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 21:17:28 +1000 Subject: round-trip test In-Reply-To: <20060716105338.GD2821@waugh.id.au> References: <20060716105338.GD2821@waugh.id.au> Message-ID: <20060716111728.GE2821@waugh.id.au> > It is not necessary to answer this mail. When it hits the list, I will > receive it too... :-) Ignoring the time between my laptop and my mail server (I use fetchmail, so it's going to be terribly inconsistent): Received: from node.waugh.id.au by menubar.gnome.org; 10:53:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org by node.waugh.id.au; 20:53:48 +1000 (EST) There's no significant clock skew between them. Let's call it at worst case, one second, and we around about a 5 second round-trip which *includes* going through Amavis. :-) (That's for a small list, though. But the latest round-trip times on the big lists are looking good too.) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ No pants is good pants. From olav at bkor.dhs.org Sun Jul 16 11:33:00 2006 From: olav at bkor.dhs.org (Olav Vitters) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 13:33:00 +0200 Subject: round-trip test In-Reply-To: <20060716105338.GD2821@waugh.id.au> References: <20060716105338.GD2821@waugh.id.au> Message-ID: <20060716113300.GC18187@bkor.dhs.org> On Sun, Jul 16, 2006 at 08:53:38PM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > It is not necessary to answer this mail. When it hits the list, I will > receive it too... :-) But I want to test the roundtrip as well! -- Regards, Olav From qgil@desdeamericaconamor.org Tue Jul 4 02:52:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C9A33B0092 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 02:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06883-10 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 02:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from servidor.almenara.org (unknown [213.149.238.22]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 81FD53B000B for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 02:52:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29011 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2006 06:52:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.1.33]) (83.55.166.228) by 213.149.238.22 with SMTP; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 06:52:05 +0000 Subject: GNOME Infrastructure update From: Quim Gil To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-vAmU+KNGSnoeHLbQ3EqN" Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 08:52:04 +0200 Message-Id: <1151995924.5109.22.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.501 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=1.098, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -1.501 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 06:52:08 -0000 --=-vAmU+KNGSnoeHLbQ3EqN Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there, The GNOME Foundation board has received some offers for getting free servers and bandwidth for the GNOME infrastructure. In the line of stepping out of the way, delegate, let things get done, etc, we think the board role here is to set the initial contacts and then leave the details and the decisions to the Infrastructure team. These offers include server co-location out of RedHat, in the own infrastructures of each donor/host. We could probably get some more help from Advisory Board companies if we need it. These steps would imply the move to a more decentralized infrastructure. I am no sysadmin myself, nor I pretend to. All the planning and decisions to face this decentralization process need to come from the GNOME Infrastructure team, obviously. Hopefully I can help as a contact with the board and initial contact with potential donors/hosts. --=20 Quim Gil /// http://desdeamericaconamor.org | http://guadec.org --=-vAmU+KNGSnoeHLbQ3EqN Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEqhAUBEzHYk6x634RAhS4AJ4lhGxdEBQsJzjxhnXnr3wG/0gUgQCeP0E8 xuDkJR5ZP6rfrzCj4ahJqTo= =019R -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-vAmU+KNGSnoeHLbQ3EqN-- From ross@golder.org Tue Jul 4 05:03:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63B0B3B02CB for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 05:03:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15848-03 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 05:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E56CF3B01AA for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 05:03:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60EDF40DD; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 10:03:32 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ojZSWEtJ0ipo; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 10:03:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from red (unknown [125.24.92.184]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8101B40DB; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 10:03:26 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: GNOME Infrastructure update From: Ross Golder To: Quim Gil In-Reply-To: <1151995924.5109.22.camel@localhost> References: <1151995924.5109.22.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 16:03:16 +0700 Message-Id: <1152003797.10588.22.camel@red> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.515 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.084, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.515 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 09:03:37 -0000 On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 08:52 +0200, Quim Gil wrote: > Hi there, > > The GNOME Foundation board has received some offers for getting free > servers and bandwidth for the GNOME infrastructure. In the line of > stepping out of the way, delegate, let things get done, etc, we think > the board role here is to set the initial contacts and then leave the > details and the decisions to the Infrastructure team. > > These offers include server co-location out of RedHat, in the own > infrastructures of each donor/host. We could probably get some more help > from Advisory Board companies if we need it. These steps would imply the > move to a more decentralized infrastructure. > > I am no sysadmin myself, nor I pretend to. All the planning and > decisions to face this decentralization process need to come from the > GNOME Infrastructure team, obviously. Hopefully I can help as a contact > with the board and initial contact with potential donors/hosts. > Co-incidentally enough, we have just started a discussion about this on the internal gnome-sysadmin team. We are aware of a very attractive offer of servers and hosting from one other donor, and were discussing the advantages that they are able to offer us over our existing arrangements. I am in contact with them directly already. I'm not sure yet what information/offers I can make public, but I'll pass on the details here when I know I can :) There are a few small issues we will need to discuss and agree on internally within the sysadmin team first, such as the ifs, whos, hows and whens, etc. I'll then draft up some kind of 'master plan and schedule' and post it for review here on 'gnome-infrastructure' (copied to 'board-list'). If you have any other information to add, such as new/other donors interested in offering servers or hosting, please forward the details on to the team ('gnome-sysadmin@gnome.org') so we can contact them directly and factor their offers into our discussions and decisions. Thanks, -- Ross From qgil@desdeamericaconamor.org Tue Jul 4 05:27:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A437D3B0199 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 05:27:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17269-09 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 05:27:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from servidor.almenara.org (unknown [213.149.238.22]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 468D23B012E for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 05:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14609 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2006 09:27:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.1.33]) (83.55.166.228) by 213.149.238.22 with SMTP; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 09:27:12 +0000 Subject: Re: GNOME Infrastructure update From: Quim Gil To: Ross Golder In-Reply-To: <1152003797.10588.22.camel@red> References: <1151995924.5109.22.camel@localhost> <1152003797.10588.22.camel@red> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-S0+rbrNOzBhtVtApTThm" Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 11:27:11 +0200 Message-Id: <1152005232.5109.99.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.536 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=1.063, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -1.536 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 09:27:16 -0000 --=-S0+rbrNOzBhtVtApTThm Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 16:03 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > I'm not sure > yet what information/offers I can make public, but I'll pass on the > details here when I know I can :) Maybe we could link a page from http://live.gnome.org/Sysadmin/Servers listing the current offers and servers underway. Those with unclear privacy could be referred using alias i.e. "4 small boxes" or "host donor". This way we would share a map of current and potential donors. --=20 Quim Gil /// http://desdeamericaconamor.org | http://guadec.org --=-S0+rbrNOzBhtVtApTThm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEqjRvBEzHYk6x634RAkmcAJ4uv/zJV9Pkg1ZyZZom8gqUPnygYACfbDPS jrAwwGGVQLX2Xq21q55jzyw= =U1TG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-S0+rbrNOzBhtVtApTThm-- From ross@golder.org Tue Jul 4 05:33:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFB953B0106 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 05:33:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17822-02 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 05:33:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FE663B0204 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 05:33:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 576F740DD; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 10:33:07 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tXtd+ZEOR5LN; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 10:33:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from red (unknown [125.24.92.184]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A719040DB; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 10:33:03 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: GNOME Infrastructure update From: Ross Golder To: Quim Gil In-Reply-To: <1152005232.5109.99.camel@localhost> References: <1151995924.5109.22.camel@localhost> <1152003797.10588.22.camel@red> <1152005232.5109.99.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 16:32:56 +0700 Message-Id: <1152005576.10728.3.camel@red> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.519 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.080, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.519 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 09:33:10 -0000 On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 11:27 +0200, Quim Gil wrote: > On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 16:03 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > I'm not sure > > yet what information/offers I can make public, but I'll pass on the > > details here when I know I can :) > > Maybe we could link a page from http://live.gnome.org/Sysadmin/Servers > listing the current offers and servers underway. Those with unclear > privacy could be referred using alias i.e. "4 small boxes" or "host > donor". > > This way we would share a map of current and potential donors. > Sounds like a good plan to me. I can't see it'd be a problem to publicise any offers we get. I'll check first though. -- Ross From otaylor@redhat.com Tue Jul 4 11:34:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58E223B01CC for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 11:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10740-04 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 11:33:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0597A3B0115 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 11:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k64FXvU1006453; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 11:33:57 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k64FXvqQ002713; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 11:33:57 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k64FXuD6008141; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 11:33:57 -0400 Subject: Re: GNOME Infrastructure update From: Owen Taylor To: Quim Gil In-Reply-To: <1152005232.5109.99.camel@localhost> References: <1151995924.5109.22.camel@localhost> <1152003797.10588.22.camel@red> <1152005232.5109.99.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 08:33:59 -0400 Message-Id: <1152016440.14779.160.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 (2.6.1-1.fc5.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.422 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.044, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.422 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 15:34:00 -0000 On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 11:27 +0200, Quim Gil wrote: > On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 16:03 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > I'm not sure > > yet what information/offers I can make public, but I'll pass on the > > details here when I know I can :) > > Maybe we could link a page from http://live.gnome.org/Sysadmin/Servers > listing the current offers and servers underway. Those with unclear > privacy could be referred using alias i.e. "4 small boxes" or "host > donor". > > This way we would share a map of current and potential donors. I think it would be much better to have a real discussion in private than an obfusticated and unclear discussion in public. It would be a mistake to make major decisions without having concrete full proposals on the table, and I doubt potential hosting donors would want that discussion going on in public. Owen From qgil@desdeamericaconamor.org Wed Jul 5 01:52:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCB413B00DD for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 01:52:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17980-03 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 01:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from servidor.almenara.org (unknown [213.149.238.22]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9BDAB3B0087 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 01:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 6217 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jul 2006 05:52:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.1.33]) (83.55.173.66) by 213.149.238.22 with SMTP; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 05:52:45 +0000 Subject: Re: GNOME Infrastructure update From: Quim Gil To: Owen Taylor In-Reply-To: <1152016440.14779.160.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1151995924.5109.22.camel@localhost> <1152003797.10588.22.camel@red> <1152005232.5109.99.camel@localhost> <1152016440.14779.160.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-kNhMFgwMcxYSiD0jFUQj" Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 07:52:44 +0200 Message-Id: <1152078764.5143.39.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.561 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=1.038, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -1.561 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 05:52:49 -0000 --=-kNhMFgwMcxYSiD0jFUQj Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 08:33 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: > I think it would be much better to have a real discussion in private > than an obfusticated and unclear discussion in public. It will definitely help. Are you thinking about email, phone call...? Suggest and we will follow. We are probably in a point in which we could solve our Infrastructure weaknesses, since there seems to be a context of organizations willing to help. There are many sub-discussions, though, that create dependencies between them. We should avoid the fish eating its tail. - We need to know what are the current needs and weaknesses of the GNOME infrastructure in order to know if we need more help, and which kind of help. We have been hearing the "We need more servers" claim for months, but we should move forward into a more specific statement. This is something the GNOME Infrastructure team can discuss by its own, and you decide what bits of the discussion need to be open and private. - If it's still true that we still need more resources, we need to know which are the requirements or conditions of the GNOME Infrastructure team in order to get efficient help. Some potential donors will be happy offering a server to be placed in the RedHat racks. Some potential donors will be happy co-locating a server in their own hosting infrastructure. We might find other combinations and we need to know in which cases we want to collaborate. This discussion is half the fish. - The other half of the fish is the negotiation with potential donors. To me it's not that good to start negotiations without having a clear idea of the previous points. For instance, if Serious Company X is offering us top quality hosting in their own server infrastructure we need to know if we consider useful to have resources out of the current infrastructure at RedHat or not. Having a more detailed policy about hardware requirements or permission levels or whatever you think appropriate to define would be also helpful. --=20 Quim Gil /// http://desdeamericaconamor.org | http://guadec.org --=-kNhMFgwMcxYSiD0jFUQj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEq1OsBEzHYk6x634RAk90AKCrhczJQq3oFERTzW62vllfG05EfwCffteK Un3/IqZ0qDqsc+G4Xqq0s9c= =XPQQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-kNhMFgwMcxYSiD0jFUQj-- From otaylor@redhat.com Wed Jul 5 08:10:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32C993B014A for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 08:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08905-10 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 08:10:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0CF03B00E8 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 08:10:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k65CAIZR023703; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 08:10:18 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k65CAI3U011349; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 08:10:18 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k65CAH20001123; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 08:10:17 -0400 Subject: Re: GNOME Infrastructure update From: Owen Taylor To: Quim Gil In-Reply-To: <1152078764.5143.39.camel@localhost> References: <1151995924.5109.22.camel@localhost> <1152003797.10588.22.camel@red> <1152005232.5109.99.camel@localhost> <1152016440.14779.160.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1152078764.5143.39.camel@localhost> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-jFD+e+zYcs46CUZ3n4jr" Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 05:10:16 -0400 Message-Id: <1152090616.14779.167.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 (2.6.1-1.fc5.2) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.183 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.195, BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=0.478, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.183 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 12:10:23 -0000 --=-jFD+e+zYcs46CUZ3n4jr Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2006-07-05 at 07:52 +0200, Quim Gil wrote: >=20 > On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 08:33 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: >=20 > > I think it would be much better to have a real discussion in private > > than an obfusticated and unclear discussion in public. >=20 > It will definitely help. Are you thinking about email, phone call...? Well, for the short term, I was mostly suggesting that this conversation could be better held on private mailing lists (gnome-sysadmin / board-list) rather than here on gnome-infrastructure. I don't think it's possible to hold this conversation in public and be sufficiently clear. At some point it might make sense to invite Ross to one of the GNOME Board conference calls, but that seems premature at this point; as you say, there are lots of confused intertwined strands of conversation. - Owen --=-jFD+e+zYcs46CUZ3n4jr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEq4H4S+2LB0B90LERAq+EAKCdie4muIGWQMh8nf8WQBAWe7GMRwCfSzmZ EWnOT2wuCjKQQe38slrUCnc= =TPD2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-jFD+e+zYcs46CUZ3n4jr-- From qub333@gmail.com Thu Jul 6 07:58:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D4783B021E for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 07:58:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21926-04 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 07:57:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.205]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF29C3B034E for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 07:57:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id t5so2375204wxc for ; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 04:57:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.44.18 with SMTP id r18mr10677220wxr; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 04:57:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.109? ( [69.140.109.194]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id h11sm5941911wxd.2006.07.06.04.57.55; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 04:57:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <44ACFAC2.20507@kubasik.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 07:57:54 -0400 From: Kevin Kubasik User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060705) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Mail archives giving a 404 when searched X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 OpenPGP: id=43337DF4; url=http://kubasik.net/KevinKubasik.asc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: Kevin Kubasik X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.327 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.073, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.327 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 11:58:00 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 I dunno if this was already known, or if it was an outstanding bug, go to an active mailing list archive like http://mail.gnome.org/archives/dashboard-hackers/ and type in a search term, you'll get a Not Found message. Seemed like this was more infrastructures territory than the web team, so I thought I'd go here first. If its there thing, I can file a bug. - -- Cheers, Kevin Kubasik 240-838-6616 http://kubasik.net/blog -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iQIVAwUBRKz6wv3xZFNDM330AQixkxAAluJvMvdW4lbDkBE25FhaEpaOgFEIbneR kehaab5ll/41sKSKDEmYhuG1kxgDHKYmhOCninM9i1wPJ6raXsdsDcAaTl+c9TTO SroXzm2R8ngRHN5l9c9tLmoXWyYQmYlQ/rEvIf0GXGZGDh5q7+Onx2QTUkD0GFwY tIUH575za3awil20NM4MpvnHuz85/QcllPdEunAbiWg4UNLjNrpHiWUjQRYmWq8i BYB/rQ/7W2dD8Jef8nfgyIfal2JLqNADvbd1yL1dQBj1dcdruB6OLMCrxgNAFzK6 pR4mzcxT8FDON0oWCc23BtDROR8ZfLbgGmzXNeqxX0FBCNtWt+We1wmlQxLPlMCg bjJZtOGBEFz2+rvMjhxtgmqid2k3V23kU0L1S7IpCpZfFdSM2o+6qhreK9f9jVNI dQYfLUpbYb0mxnMgTzB/3/HtTTp29hgnjvSSXOSRPVRPKOiskol2X2rt03ZI6smy 3pG5YEPzJuY4Bf6t3oxo57VNhdHZvQMemsXxoMwxpxo/NqKxQZ/gqa8KMh5LGI6d EQQB11lKi9J6ZnZ0saryDo7fNTn/CxOLeDiuXSn1lBJyq4+cw4J7KMCNcOVwfUYA iIDhBF77aYFe1ZYsNu3ane2nzaxvKEVZPdnwhXA3hua/v7C3eZUbtuMpYfTNlwl8 zx7yC5aH4H8= =ttra -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gpastore@gnome.org Thu Jul 6 10:07:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53B8A3B00EA for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 10:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31412-08 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 10:07:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bundure.hst.terra.com.br (bundure.hst.terra.com.br [200.176.10.195]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C09B53B0123 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 10:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ladigue.hst.terra.com.br (ladigue.hst.terra.com.br [200.176.10.10]) by bundure.hst.terra.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 100EB9A0369 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 11:07:19 -0300 (BRT) X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: d5c325b9779ab8e5db6259283ca87d33 Received-SPF: none (ladigue.hst.terra.com.br: 200.176.10.10 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of gnome.org) client-ip=200.176.10.10; envelope-from=gpastore@gnome.org; helo=[192.168.1.3]; Received: from [192.168.1.3] (unknown [201.52.45.156]) (authenticated user guilherme.pastore) by ladigue.hst.terra.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE2B51594114 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 11:07:18 -0300 (BRT) Subject: Re: Mail archives giving a 404 when searched From: "Guilherme de S. Pastore" To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <44ACFAC2.20507@kubasik.net> References: <44ACFAC2.20507@kubasik.net> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 11:07:17 -0300 Message-Id: <1152194837.9903.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.555 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.044, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.555 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 14:07:22 -0000 Il giorno gio, 06/07/2006 alle 07.57 -0400, Kevin Kubasik ha scritto: > I dunno if this was already known Yes, it is a known issue, there is a RT ticket for it, and it is being worked on. Thanks anyway. Yours, Guilherme de S. Pastore The GNOME Sysadmin Team From jdub@waugh.id.au Fri Jul 7 03:14:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DFB13B013A for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 03:14:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25436-04 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 03:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9BA63B00B8 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 03:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 583773C75B; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 17:13:43 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 84BC04158; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 17:13:37 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 17:13:37 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: Matthew Galgoci Subject: Firewall modification request Message-ID: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: Matthew Galgoci , GNOME Infrastructure MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Reply-By: Mon Jul 10 17:09:37 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 17:09:37 up 2 days, 10:27, 7 users, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.02 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.447 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.447 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Infrastructure X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 07:14:11 -0000 Hi Matthew, Could you please open the following ports to label.gnome.org: 5222/tcp 5223/tcp 5269/tcp Thanks, - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ From ross@golder.org Fri Jul 7 07:15:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73F603B015F for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 07:15:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10411-01 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 07:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D7733B04B4 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 07:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 313014BA5; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 12:15:14 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kJ+yv5PSspJW; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 12:15:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from red (unknown [125.24.68.166]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F9BB4BA4; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 12:15:08 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Firewall modification request From: Ross Golder To: Jeff Waugh In-Reply-To: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> References: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 18:14:59 +0700 Message-Id: <1152270899.9439.0.camel@red> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.53 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.069, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.53 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Infrastructure , Matthew Galgoci X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 11:15:20 -0000 On Fri, 2006-07-07 at 17:13 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > Hi Matthew, > > Could you please open the following ports to label.gnome.org: > > 5222/tcp > 5223/tcp > 5269/tcp > > Thanks, Here's the inevitable question - 'What're they for?' :) -- Ross From jdub@waugh.id.au Fri Jul 7 09:45:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E6E83B01A0 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 09:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21478-02 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 09:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C36FE3B04E4 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 09:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 773B13C257; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 23:45:29 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2D1EE4158; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 23:45:23 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 23:45:23 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: Ross Golder Subject: Re: Firewall modification request Message-ID: <20060707134523.GL655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: Ross Golder , Matthew Galgoci , GNOME Infrastructure References: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> <1152270899.9439.0.camel@red> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1152270899.9439.0.camel@red> Reply-By: Mon Jul 10 23:43:25 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 23:43:25 up 2 days, 17:00, 7 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.447 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.447 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Infrastructure , Matthew Galgoci X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 13:45:36 -0000 > > 5222/tcp > > 5223/tcp > > 5269/tcp > > Here's the inevitable question - 'What're they for?' :) The ports are kinda obvious ;-) I need them open so I can actually test it sanely, but it's going to require more work before it can go live for real. The service will be for Foundation members only at this stage. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "And if you think this fucking little tub of gold popcorn is going to remotely make up for everything we've suffered, you're sadly fucking mistaken!" - Gollum From jdub@waugh.id.au Fri Jul 7 10:56:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CBC43B0383 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27409-08 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 596913B03E7 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id C107E3C75C for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2006 00:56:54 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 54A2A4158; Sat, 8 Jul 2006 00:56:48 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 00:56:48 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: GNOME Infrastructure Subject: Re: Firewall modification request Message-ID: <20060707145648.GO655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME Infrastructure References: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Reply-By: Tue Jul 11 00:55:59 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 00:55:59 up 2 days, 18:13, 7 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.447 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.447 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 14:56:58 -0000 > Easy enough, just what are they for in case I'm asked? (Replied off-list.) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "Women are too irrational to be crazed killers anyway." - Angus Lees From jdub@waugh.id.au Fri Jul 7 18:40:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 161933B00F6 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 18:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25320-07 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 18:40:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B0483B016E for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 18:40:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 296DC3C72E; Sat, 8 Jul 2006 08:40:11 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4575B415B; Sat, 8 Jul 2006 08:40:07 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 08:40:07 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: Matthew Galgoci , GNOME Infrastructure Subject: Re: Firewall modification request Message-ID: <20060707224007.GY655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: Matthew Galgoci , GNOME Infrastructure References: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> Reply-By: Tue Jul 11 08:39:52 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 08:39:52 up 3 days, 1:57, 8 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.447 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.447 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 22:40:15 -0000 > Could you please open the following ports to label.gnome.org: Thanks, mysterious console messenger. ;-) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "You know, like nunchuck skills, bowhunting skills, computer hacking skills... Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills." - Napoleon Dynamite From guilherme.pastore@terra.com.br Fri Jul 7 18:58:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D3333B0266 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 18:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26230-09 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 18:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bulimba.hst.terra.com.br (bulimba.hst.terra.com.br [200.176.10.194]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16BDE3B00EB for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 18:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from calana.hst.terra.com.br (calana.hst.terra.com.br [200.176.10.6]) by bulimba.hst.terra.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id E11E6130C0A9 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 19:58:38 -0300 (BRT) X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 63aafe514043fda6dc66cd180d57d13e Received-SPF: pass (calana.hst.terra.com.br: domain of terra.com.br designates 200.176.10.6 as permitted sender) client-ip=200.176.10.6; envelope-from=guilherme.pastore@terra.com.br; helo=[192.168.1.3]; Received: from [192.168.1.3] (unknown [201.52.45.156]) (authenticated user guilherme.pastore) by calana.hst.terra.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3D79450081 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 19:58:38 -0300 (BRT) Subject: Re: Firewall modification request From: "Guilherme de S. Pastore" To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20060707224007.GY655@waugh.id.au> References: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> <20060707224007.GY655@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 19:58:37 -0300 Message-Id: <1152313117.9124.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.084 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.392, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.084 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 22:58:41 -0000 Il giorno sab, 08/07/2006 alle 08.40 +1000, Jeff Waugh ha scritto: > > > > Could you please open the following ports to label.gnome.org: > > Thanks, mysterious console messenger. ;-) I want a mysterious console message telling me container's 3690 has been opened! Please, please, please! From ross@golder.org Sun Jul 9 07:52:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B968E3B013F; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 07:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10077-03; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 07:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 510943B00D9; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 07:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87EFE4BA5; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 12:36:49 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OUPkuuujUZzH; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 12:36:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from red (unknown [125.24.66.135]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19BF64BA4; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 12:36:39 +0100 (BST) Subject: Subversion migration recap (cut-off Friday July 14th) From: Ross Golder To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 18:36:27 +0700 Message-Id: <1152444988.9101.16.camel@red> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.493 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.029, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.493 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Infrastructure , foundation-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 11:52:28 -0000 Hi guys, I hope you have all recovered from GUADEC. As you have all probably long forgotten by now, we are scheduled to migrate the GNOME CVS repository to Subversion next weekend. Friday night at 23:59UTC to be precise. That means that the migration will probably be under way this time next week. Here's an update on the status of the main issues. Archive history issues ---------------------- Unfortunately, during it's lifetime the GNOME CVS server has suffered several accidental clock resets (to a point in 1997). The timestamps listed in some of the CVS ',v' files are not always correct and in chronological order. This led to some problems high-lighted by James Henstridge: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-infrastructure/2006-February/msg00059.html Despite lengthy discussions with Michael Haggerty, the current maintainer of cvs2svn, and several patches attempting to work around the problem, it seems that it is unlikely that we'll be able to eliminate the problem entirely - only use the patches we've developed to alleviate the problem in the many cases. The most recent few mail exchanges on the subject are archived here: http://cvs2svn.tigris.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=dev&by=date&from=2006-07-01&to=2006-07-31&first=1&count=4 At any rate, we will not be able to rely on the subversion archive to recreate historical versions. To a certain extent, we can't really rely on the CVS archive either, as various 'CVS surgery' operations will have taken place over the years, in addition to the clockskew problems. However, I will make sure the CVS archives stay on-line in read-only/anonymous mode indefinitely in order to keep that history publicly available as it was at the time of the cut-off. The thing to remember is that this issue will only affect a small minority of the GNOME modules - the majority, esp newer modules, won't suffer this problem and you should still be able to retrieve reasonably faithful historical checkouts from either system in most cases. Migration order --------------- One downside will be that to migrate the entire CVS repository is that we have a *lot* of history. Current indications are that - worse case scenario - it could take the best part of a month to complete. Obviously, lots of hackers aren't going to want to wait this long before they can continue making commits to their module. So this is how I'm thinking of determining the migration order. We have three 'priority' lists, and then the rest. The first priority list will contain a list of any modules developers specifically request are treated as priority, as they expect to be working with them within hours/days of the migration cut-off (send your requests to me off the list now). The second priority list will contain a list of other modules we consider relatively urgent, such as the 'www.gnome.org' website in case we decide to change anything about of homepage. The third priority list is compiled from a list of the most active modules from the last year in activity order (compiled from a query on 'bonsai-svn' from a fairly recent test migration). Then, the whole list of modules is processed for any not handled above. This can be seen in the migration script 'create-svnrepos.sh', which is linked to and explained here: http://live.gnome.org/Subversion Obviously, at 23:59UTC the whole CVS archive will become read-only. As each CVS module is being migrated to a Subversion repository, it will be available read-only (for checkout and in viewcvs). When each module's subversion repository has been successfully migrated, the repository perms will reset so GNOME developers can proceed to make commits. As each module gets migrated, an '.out' file will be generated containing the output of the cvs2svn run (for the curious). These can be quite big sometimes, so the last few lines (containing the migration statistics) will be directed into a '.tail' file and the whole output file is bzip2'ed down. You should be able to see this happening here for the running test migration here: http://svn.gnome.org/migration/ As you can see from the date-stamps, the recent test migration is currently only migrating 25-30 reasonable sized modules a day. We currently have over 860 modules, so it could be about a month before all the modules have been migrated and are ready. I think I can get this time down with a few changes to the script to make better use of SMP etc, but the bottleneck will probably become I/O. Good thing we weren't thinking about creating a monolithic repository, eh?! :) Now would be an ideal opportunity to let us know about any old CVS modules you know about that are redundant, so we can put them out of the way in the Attic before the migration. Shouldn't we be cancelling or postponing the migration again? ------------------------------------------------------------- I don't believe the history problems warrant us postponing or cancelling the migration (again). If we do, it is unlikely that these problems will ever be solved and we will probably be stuck with CVS until the cows come home. We must move forward. However, I expect there will be some who feel may feel a bit edgy about the migration. So, unless I hear otherwise, either from the board or if a significant number of people raise objections in the next week (or both), the migration will begin as scheduled next weekend, using our current best-effort clock-skew alleviation patches. I will obviously continue to do everything I can to ensure that all the angles are covered and that the actual migration goes as smoothly and efficiently as possible. More information ---------------- Anything else I have thought of and/or covered should be written up here: http://live.gnome.org/Subversion Please send questions or comments to 'gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org', or drop by on irc.gnome.org/#sysadmin. Thanks. -- Ross From murrayc@murrayc.com Sun Jul 9 08:39:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE5FC3B008D for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 08:39:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10917-07 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 08:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from swarthymail-a3.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-61.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.61]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A71443B0007 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 08:39:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from noname (p5497D055.dip.t-dialin.net [84.151.208.85]) by swarthymail-a3.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D605C7F019; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 05:37:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: www.gtkmm.org hosting From: Murray Cumming To: Ross Golder In-Reply-To: <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> References: <1143130036.6942.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143130109.6942.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143209101.12253.18.camel@yellow> <1143209712.5969.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144063086.6062.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1145376467.17987.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149102258.5720.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149106990.5720.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149168356.5197.5.camel@green> <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 14:37:51 +0200 Message-Id: <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.401 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.044, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_GT=0.077, TW_TK=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.401 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 12:39:31 -0000 On Sat, 2006-06-24 at 21:47 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 21:17 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > > On Thu, 2006-06-22 at 10:53 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > > OK, I've relaxed your homedir perms to 701, set up the virtualhost > > > (window:/etc/httpd/sites.d/gtkmm.org.conf) and restarted apache. > > > > > > Add '209.132.176.176 www.gtkmm.org' to your /etc/hosts and you should be > > > able to test it with your browser. I'd test it myself, but my ISP uses a > > > bloody annoying transparent caching/proxy, so I'd have to fiddle about > > > with VPNs or my own proxy to test it myself from here and I'm in a rush > > > atm. Sorry. > > > > That works, though SSI is not turned on. > > > > Sorry, my fault. An egregious typo in the Apache conf. Try again. Thanks. That seems to work now. Would this be the final location for the website files? Without wanting to appear at all ungrateful for your own hard work, it seems like we might not have the sysadmin resources to really support extra web sites. For instance, I'm not convinced that everything is documented enough that I wouldn't have to wait a few weeks to have the website restored in the event of another server hack/failure. Am I wrong about this? I might decide to use my own hosting account for this, though I'm afraid of how much bandwidth it could cost me, and other gtkmm developers would probably prefer not to depend on me either. -- Murray Cumming murrayc@murrayc.com www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com From ross@golder.org Sun Jul 9 09:19:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DD583B0080 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 09:19:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12942-03 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 09:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 916023B006C for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 09:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3F7D4BA5; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 13:55:06 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A5PI9hoPubWX; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 13:55:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from red (unknown [125.24.66.135]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC0CA4BA4; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 13:55:00 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: www.gtkmm.org hosting From: Ross Golder To: Murray Cumming In-Reply-To: <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1143130036.6942.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143130109.6942.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143209101.12253.18.camel@yellow> <1143209712.5969.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144063086.6062.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1145376467.17987.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149102258.5720.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149106990.5720.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149168356.5197.5.camel@green> <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 19:54:49 +0700 Message-Id: <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.455 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.010, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_GT=0.077, TW_TK=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.455 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 13:19:36 -0000 On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 14:37 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > On Sat, 2006-06-24 at 21:47 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 21:17 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > > > On Thu, 2006-06-22 at 10:53 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > > > OK, I've relaxed your homedir perms to 701, set up the virtualhost > > > > (window:/etc/httpd/sites.d/gtkmm.org.conf) and restarted apache. > > > > > > > > Add '209.132.176.176 www.gtkmm.org' to your /etc/hosts and you should be > > > > able to test it with your browser. I'd test it myself, but my ISP uses a > > > > bloody annoying transparent caching/proxy, so I'd have to fiddle about > > > > with VPNs or my own proxy to test it myself from here and I'm in a rush > > > > atm. Sorry. > > > > > > That works, though SSI is not turned on. > > > > > > > Sorry, my fault. An egregious typo in the Apache conf. Try again. > > Thanks. That seems to work now. > > Would this be the final location for the website files? > I was going to set up a mechanism to auto-update the site from CVS, as we have for several other sites. I was putting this off because we are planning to move to Subversion shortly, so I didn't want to have to do the job twice, iyswim. Please feel free to send a reminder about this to 'support@gnome.org' so a ticket gets set up and assigned to me so I don't forget, and I'll try to complete this when things are ready and I have a few moments. > Without wanting to appear at all ungrateful for your own hard work, it > seems like we might not have the sysadmin resources to really support > extra web sites. For instance, I'm not convinced that everything is > documented enough that I wouldn't have to wait a few weeks to have the > website restored in the event of another server hack/failure. Am I wrong > about this? > No, you're quite right - we're not quite SourceForge ;) Currently, we have a small team of volunteer sysadmins, who would rather concentrate on keeping the core GNOME services up and running than try to manage all the requests involved in maintaining a-hundred-and-one different projects domains names, websites and mailing lists. We do offer these services to those that need them and will always do our best to do as professional a job as possible (as can be expected for spare-time volunteer sysadmins). We obviously can't provide guarantees and service level agreements. > I might decide to use my own hosting account for this, though I'm afraid > of how much bandwidth it could cost me, and other gtkmm developers would > probably prefer not to depend on me either. > This is entirely your decision to make, depending on the needs of your project and the resources available to it. Given the choice between paid-for hosting (with an SLA, support contract etc) and free web hosting on the GNOME servers, I know which I'd choose ;^) -- Ross From mgalgoci@redhat.com Fri Jul 7 10:36:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45DC13B0284 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25868-06 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A27AB3B02A7 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k67EaoCB003501; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:36:50 -0400 Received: from acis.rdu.redhat.com (acis.rdu.redhat.com [10.11.255.3]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k67EanDw025329; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:36:49 -0400 Received: from acis.rdu.redhat.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by acis.rdu.redhat.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k67Ean8D010308; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:36:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (mgalgoci@localhost) by acis.rdu.redhat.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id k67EanBx010302; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:36:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: acis.rdu.redhat.com: mgalgoci owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:36:49 -0400 From: Matthew Galgoci X-X-Sender: mgalgoci@acis.rdu.redhat.com To: Jeff Waugh Subject: Re: Firewall modification request In-Reply-To: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> Message-ID: References: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 05:19:06 -0400 Cc: GNOME Infrastructure X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 14:36:58 -0000 > Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 17:13:37 +1000 > From: Jeff Waugh > To: Matthew Galgoci > Cc: GNOME Infrastructure > Subject: Firewall modification request > > Hi Matthew, > > Could you please open the following ports to label.gnome.org: > > 5222/tcp > 5223/tcp > 5269/tcp Easy enough, just what are they for in case I'm asked? -- Matthew Galgoci IS Production Operations Red Hat, Inc 919.754.3700 x44155 From murrayc@murrayc.com Mon Jul 10 05:23:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A18A53B0098 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 05:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24177-02 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 05:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail3.sd.dreamhost.com (webmail3.sd.dreamhost.com [64.111.100.15]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA5373B00C6 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 05:23:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail.murrayc.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webmail3.sd.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3775F14122; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 01:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 194.138.18.132 (proxying for unknown) (SquirrelMail authenticated user murrayc@murrayc.com) by webmail.murrayc.com with HTTP; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:28:15 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <23981.194.138.18.132.1152520095.squirrel@webmail.murrayc.com> In-Reply-To: <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> References: <1143130036.6942.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143130109.6942.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143209101.12253.18.camel@yellow> <1143209712.5969.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144063086.6062.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1145376467.17987.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149102258.5720.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149106990.5720.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149168356.5197.5.camel@green> <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:28:15 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: www.gtkmm.org hosting From: "Murray Cumming" To: "Quim Gil" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.519 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.003, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.519 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:23:29 -0000 > > On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 14:37 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > >> > seems like we might not have the sysadmin resources to really support >> > extra web sites. > > GNOME projects are not extra web sites, really. We should find a balance > between project websites requirements and sysadmin realistic resources. > > Murray, it would be great if you could start a list of requirements > based on your own needs for gtkmm.org. Then we can improve these > requirements checking with other GNOME projects, and after that we > "negotiate" with the sysadmins what can we really offer. gtkmm.org is probably the simplest web site possible, because I like to keep things simple, and I wanted to be able to easily move the site to a different host. It's just HTML with SSI, with no interactivity. If gtkmm.org uses the same system as www.gnome.org - svn/cvs checkout at the moment, then I'll be reasonably happy about it, and I can move it away again fairly quickly if necessary. I think I'm being too cautious. So, I'll happily wait for the svn transition and try hosting gtkmm.org on the GNOME servers. > With this we get a official and documented offer to GNOME projects. > Those happy with it can come and be served. Those with special needs can > try to increase the requirements accepted or go elsewhere. > > None of this solves your problem now, it will be helpful in the future > though. Feel free to suggest a timeline for the planning process at > http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/DevelopmentTimeline Murray Cumming murrayc@murrayc.com www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com From ross@golder.org Mon Jul 10 13:02:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99D013B01B2 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:02:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06476-05 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 729EE3B018E for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E8634BA4; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:05:45 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iZm4+SSHqUup; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:05:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from red (unknown [125.24.65.168]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 662D94BA5; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:05:36 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: www.gtkmm.org hosting From: Ross Golder To: Quim Gil In-Reply-To: <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> References: <1143130036.6942.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143130109.6942.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143209101.12253.18.camel@yellow> <1143209712.5969.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144063086.6062.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1145376467.17987.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149102258.5720.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149106990.5720.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149168356.5197.5.camel@green> <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 22:05:25 +0700 Message-Id: <1152543926.9094.30.camel@red> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.538 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.061, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.538 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 17:02:53 -0000 On Mon, 2006-07-10 at 10:23 +0200, Quim Gil wrote: > On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 14:37 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > > > > seems like we might not have the sysadmin resources to really support > > > extra web sites. > > GNOME projects are not extra web sites, really. We should find a balance > between project websites requirements and sysadmin realistic resources. > > Murray, it would be great if you could start a list of requirements > based on your own needs for gtkmm.org. Then we can improve these > requirements checking with other GNOME projects, and after that we > "negotiate" with the sysadmins what can we really offer. > > With this we get a official and documented offer to GNOME projects. > Those happy with it can come and be served. Those with special needs can > try to increase the requirements accepted or go elsewhere. > I have been considering starting (another) internal thread on how we can widen the GNOME sysadmin team some more. We made a request for sysadmin volunteers a couple of years ago, and got a good response, but unfortunately we turned most of them down and only took up a few of them on their offers, as we only needed a few more pairs of hands at the time. Now we have a small influx of new hardware and hosting offers, we are going to need to make sure they don't sit idle waiting for us to get round to them. I think we are going to need to consider taking on a few more worthy volunteers into the team to help prepare and execute any plans we will be drawing up and help maintain a certain level of service etc. Anyway, what with the subversion migration and other (non-GNOME) work, I'll be a bit busy for the next few weeks, but hopefully by the time that settles, Murray (and anyone else with an opinion) should have started setting some of the expectations and we can begin to discuss how to meet them ;) I look forward to seeing them. -- Ross From jdub@waugh.id.au Mon Jul 10 21:28:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4AE03B0253 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22316-02 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:28:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 531DB3B0215 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:28:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A2AB3C36E for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 06:27:27 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DB2A840DD; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 06:27:14 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 06:27:14 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Widen the team? [was: www.gtkmm.org hosting] Message-ID: <20060710202714.GO655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org References: <1149106990.5720.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149168356.5197.5.camel@green> <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> <1152543926.9094.30.camel@red> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1152543926.9094.30.camel@red> Reply-By: Fri Jul 14 05:51:58 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 05:51:58 up 5 days, 23:09, 9 users, load average: 0.03, 0.04, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.447 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.447 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 01:28:28 -0000 > I have been considering starting (another) internal thread on how we can > widen the GNOME sysadmin team some more. Sorry to be characteristically blunt, but we don't need more people - that would just complicate matters more - what we do need is more attentive and more professional people. I have been surprised and dismayed at the recent issues we've been having and the actions taken to paper over or dodge them rather than actually fix them. Our machines have always been in a somewhat mediocre state, but the current churn and reactive approach to improvement is taking its toll. Now, this is not all gar... It's been obvious over the past month that I have been paying much more attention to sysadmin issues. So I'm not idly complaining - I intend to spend more time on it. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ If Perl is gaffer, and Python is Magic Tape, then Ruby is self-adhesive plate gold. From behdad.esfahbod@gmail.com Tue Jul 11 15:56:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECABA3B024D for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:56:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02641-09 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.231]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42ADD3B0173 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i11so1965060wra for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.150.19 with SMTP id x19mr5334277wrd; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:03:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.190.5? ( [72.136.156.47]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 24sm2630956wrl.2006.07.11.10.03.49; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:03:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Subversion migration recap (cut-off Friday July 14th) From: Behdad Esfahbod To: Ross Golder In-Reply-To: <1152444988.9101.16.camel@red> References: <1152444988.9101.16.camel@red> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:03:47 -0400 Message-Id: <1152637427.2850.8.camel@home> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 (2.6.2-1.fc5.5) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: Behdad Esfahbod X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.44 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.117, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.44 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Infrastructure , gnome-hackers@gnome.org, foundation-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:56:07 -0000 I have some concerns about how per-module repos are going to work: 1) How/when can we group modules into one repo? For example, it might make sense to group glib, pango, and gtk+ into one repo. But that makes it harder to remember/guess the repo paths. 2) Even if we dictate one repo per module: - What are the regulations for creating new repos? Any committer can ask and granted a new repo in a matter of a few hours? - If not, or even if yes, I believe people will start adding new modules into the repos they currently own. For example, if I want to create a pango-benchmark module, I definitely go with the existing pango repo instead of asking for a new one, and that again defeats the identity module-repo mapping. Regards, behdad On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 07:36 -0400, Ross Golder wrote: > Hi guys, > > I hope you have all recovered from GUADEC. As you have all probably long > forgotten by now, we are scheduled to migrate the GNOME CVS repository > to Subversion next weekend. Friday night at 23:59UTC to be precise. That > means that the migration will probably be under way this time next week. > > Here's an update on the status of the main issues. > > > Archive history issues > ---------------------- > > Unfortunately, during it's lifetime the GNOME CVS server has suffered > several accidental clock resets (to a point in 1997). The timestamps > listed in some of the CVS ',v' files are not always correct and in > chronological order. This led to some problems high-lighted by James > Henstridge: > > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-infrastructure/2006-February/msg00059.html > > Despite lengthy discussions with Michael Haggerty, the current > maintainer of cvs2svn, and several patches attempting to work around the > problem, it seems that it is unlikely that we'll be able to eliminate > the problem entirely - only use the patches we've developed to alleviate > the problem in the many cases. The most recent few mail exchanges on the > subject are archived here: > > http://cvs2svn.tigris.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=dev&by=date&from=2006-07-01&to=2006-07-31&first=1&count=4 > > At any rate, we will not be able to rely on the subversion archive to > recreate historical versions. To a certain extent, we can't really rely > on the CVS archive either, as various 'CVS surgery' operations will have > taken place over the years, in addition to the clockskew problems. > However, I will make sure the CVS archives stay on-line in > read-only/anonymous mode indefinitely in order to keep that history > publicly available as it was at the time of the cut-off. > > The thing to remember is that this issue will only affect a small > minority of the GNOME modules - the majority, esp newer modules, won't > suffer this problem and you should still be able to retrieve reasonably > faithful historical checkouts from either system in most cases. > > > Migration order > --------------- > > One downside will be that to migrate the entire CVS repository is that > we have a *lot* of history. Current indications are that - worse case > scenario - it could take the best part of a month to complete. > Obviously, lots of hackers aren't going to want to wait this long before > they can continue making commits to their module. So this is how I'm > thinking of determining the migration order. > > We have three 'priority' lists, and then the rest. The first priority > list will contain a list of any modules developers specifically request > are treated as priority, as they expect to be working with them within > hours/days of the migration cut-off (send your requests to me off the > list now). The second priority list will contain a list of other modules > we consider relatively urgent, such as the 'www.gnome.org' website in > case we decide to change anything about of homepage. The third priority > list is compiled from a list of the most active modules from the last > year in activity order (compiled from a query on 'bonsai-svn' from a > fairly recent test migration). Then, the whole list of modules is > processed for any not handled above. This can be seen in the migration > script 'create-svnrepos.sh', which is linked to and explained here: > > http://live.gnome.org/Subversion > > Obviously, at 23:59UTC the whole CVS archive will become read-only. As > each CVS module is being migrated to a Subversion repository, it will be > available read-only (for checkout and in viewcvs). When each module's > subversion repository has been successfully migrated, the repository > perms will reset so GNOME developers can proceed to make commits. > > As each module gets migrated, an '.out' file will be generated > containing the output of the cvs2svn run (for the curious). These can be > quite big sometimes, so the last few lines (containing the migration > statistics) will be directed into a '.tail' file and the whole output > file is bzip2'ed down. You should be able to see this happening here for > the running test migration here: > > http://svn.gnome.org/migration/ > > As you can see from the date-stamps, the recent test migration is > currently only migrating 25-30 reasonable sized modules a day. We > currently have over 860 modules, so it could be about a month before all > the modules have been migrated and are ready. I think I can get this > time down with a few changes to the script to make better use of SMP > etc, but the bottleneck will probably become I/O. Good thing we weren't > thinking about creating a monolithic repository, eh?! :) > > Now would be an ideal opportunity to let us know about any old CVS > modules you know about that are redundant, so we can put them out of the > way in the Attic before the migration. > > > Shouldn't we be cancelling or postponing the migration again? > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > I don't believe the history problems warrant us postponing or cancelling > the migration (again). If we do, it is unlikely that these problems will > ever be solved and we will probably be stuck with CVS until the cows > come home. We must move forward. However, I expect there will be some > who feel may feel a bit edgy about the migration. > > So, unless I hear otherwise, either from the board or if a significant > number of people raise objections in the next week (or both), the > migration will begin as scheduled next weekend, using our current > best-effort clock-skew alleviation patches. > > I will obviously continue to do everything I can to ensure that all the > angles are covered and that the actual migration goes as smoothly and > efficiently as possible. > > > More information > ---------------- > > Anything else I have thought of and/or covered should be written up > here: > > http://live.gnome.org/Subversion > > Please send questions or comments to 'gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org', > or drop by on irc.gnome.org/#sysadmin. Thanks. > > -- > Ross > > > _______________________________________________ > foundation-list mailing list > foundation-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- behdad http://behdad.org/ "Commandment Three says Do Not Kill, Amendment Two says Blood Will Spill" -- Dan Bern, "New American Language" From ross@golder.org Wed Jul 12 00:07:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D99713B04C4; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 00:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16169-06; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 00:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69D443B049F; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 00:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D18F4BAA; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 03:41:34 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EE3E2MdZJQ1g; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 03:41:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from [172.16.2.40] (unknown [125.24.69.165]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 087504BA9; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 03:41:23 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Subversion migration recap (cut-off Friday July 14th) From: Ross Golder To: Behdad Esfahbod In-Reply-To: <1152637427.2850.8.camel@home> References: <1152444988.9101.16.camel@red> <1152637427.2850.8.camel@home> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:41:18 +0700 Message-Id: <1152672078.8617.16.camel@rossg-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.502 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.020, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.502 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Infrastructure , gnome-hackers@gnome.org, foundation-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 04:07:50 -0000 On Tue, 2006-07-11 at 13:03 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > I have some concerns about how per-module repos are going to work: > > 1) How/when can we group modules into one repo? For example, it might > make sense to group glib, pango, and gtk+ into one repo. But that makes > it harder to remember/guess the repo paths. > Those are probably decisions to be made by the module owners, according to their longer-term requirements. If you need to move a portion of code between modules, the best thing to do is to 'svn add' it into the destination and 'svn rm' it from the source (obv w/relevant pointers in the commit message). Sysadmin shouldn't need to get involved, but can advise where necessary. > 2) Even if we dictate one repo per module: > > - What are the regulations for creating new repos? Any committer can > ask and granted a new repo in a matter of a few hours? > Something like that: http://live.gnome.org/NewSVNRepos > - If not, or even if yes, I believe people will start adding new > modules into the repos they currently own. For example, if I want to > create a pango-benchmark module, I definitely go with the existing pango > repo instead of asking for a new one, and that again defeats the > identity module-repo mapping. > That's entirely up to them :) It's their project. There are no strict requirements to force their decisions AFAIK. -- Ross > > > > On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 07:36 -0400, Ross Golder wrote: > > Hi guys, > > > > I hope you have all recovered from GUADEC. As you have all probably long > > forgotten by now, we are scheduled to migrate the GNOME CVS repository > > to Subversion next weekend. Friday night at 23:59UTC to be precise. That > > means that the migration will probably be under way this time next week. > > > > Here's an update on the status of the main issues. > > > > > > Archive history issues > > ---------------------- > > > > Unfortunately, during it's lifetime the GNOME CVS server has suffered > > several accidental clock resets (to a point in 1997). The timestamps > > listed in some of the CVS ',v' files are not always correct and in > > chronological order. This led to some problems high-lighted by James > > Henstridge: > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-infrastructure/2006-February/msg00059.html > > > > Despite lengthy discussions with Michael Haggerty, the current > > maintainer of cvs2svn, and several patches attempting to work around the > > problem, it seems that it is unlikely that we'll be able to eliminate > > the problem entirely - only use the patches we've developed to alleviate > > the problem in the many cases. The most recent few mail exchanges on the > > subject are archived here: > > > > http://cvs2svn.tigris.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=dev&by=date&from=2006-07-01&to=2006-07-31&first=1&count=4 > > > > At any rate, we will not be able to rely on the subversion archive to > > recreate historical versions. To a certain extent, we can't really rely > > on the CVS archive either, as various 'CVS surgery' operations will have > > taken place over the years, in addition to the clockskew problems. > > However, I will make sure the CVS archives stay on-line in > > read-only/anonymous mode indefinitely in order to keep that history > > publicly available as it was at the time of the cut-off. > > > > The thing to remember is that this issue will only affect a small > > minority of the GNOME modules - the majority, esp newer modules, won't > > suffer this problem and you should still be able to retrieve reasonably > > faithful historical checkouts from either system in most cases. > > > > > > Migration order > > --------------- > > > > One downside will be that to migrate the entire CVS repository is that > > we have a *lot* of history. Current indications are that - worse case > > scenario - it could take the best part of a month to complete. > > Obviously, lots of hackers aren't going to want to wait this long before > > they can continue making commits to their module. So this is how I'm > > thinking of determining the migration order. > > > > We have three 'priority' lists, and then the rest. The first priority > > list will contain a list of any modules developers specifically request > > are treated as priority, as they expect to be working with them within > > hours/days of the migration cut-off (send your requests to me off the > > list now). The second priority list will contain a list of other modules > > we consider relatively urgent, such as the 'www.gnome.org' website in > > case we decide to change anything about of homepage. The third priority > > list is compiled from a list of the most active modules from the last > > year in activity order (compiled from a query on 'bonsai-svn' from a > > fairly recent test migration). Then, the whole list of modules is > > processed for any not handled above. This can be seen in the migration > > script 'create-svnrepos.sh', which is linked to and explained here: > > > > http://live.gnome.org/Subversion > > > > Obviously, at 23:59UTC the whole CVS archive will become read-only. As > > each CVS module is being migrated to a Subversion repository, it will be > > available read-only (for checkout and in viewcvs). When each module's > > subversion repository has been successfully migrated, the repository > > perms will reset so GNOME developers can proceed to make commits. > > > > As each module gets migrated, an '.out' file will be generated > > containing the output of the cvs2svn run (for the curious). These can be > > quite big sometimes, so the last few lines (containing the migration > > statistics) will be directed into a '.tail' file and the whole output > > file is bzip2'ed down. You should be able to see this happening here for > > the running test migration here: > > > > http://svn.gnome.org/migration/ > > > > As you can see from the date-stamps, the recent test migration is > > currently only migrating 25-30 reasonable sized modules a day. We > > currently have over 860 modules, so it could be about a month before all > > the modules have been migrated and are ready. I think I can get this > > time down with a few changes to the script to make better use of SMP > > etc, but the bottleneck will probably become I/O. Good thing we weren't > > thinking about creating a monolithic repository, eh?! :) > > > > Now would be an ideal opportunity to let us know about any old CVS > > modules you know about that are redundant, so we can put them out of the > > way in the Attic before the migration. > > > > > > Shouldn't we be cancelling or postponing the migration again? > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > I don't believe the history problems warrant us postponing or cancelling > > the migration (again). If we do, it is unlikely that these problems will > > ever be solved and we will probably be stuck with CVS until the cows > > come home. We must move forward. However, I expect there will be some > > who feel may feel a bit edgy about the migration. > > > > So, unless I hear otherwise, either from the board or if a significant > > number of people raise objections in the next week (or both), the > > migration will begin as scheduled next weekend, using our current > > best-effort clock-skew alleviation patches. > > > > I will obviously continue to do everything I can to ensure that all the > > angles are covered and that the actual migration goes as smoothly and > > efficiently as possible. > > > > > > More information > > ---------------- > > > > Anything else I have thought of and/or covered should be written up > > here: > > > > http://live.gnome.org/Subversion > > > > Please send questions or comments to 'gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org', > > or drop by on irc.gnome.org/#sysadmin. Thanks. > > > > -- > > Ross > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > foundation-list mailing list > > foundation-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list From ross@golder.org Wed Jul 12 02:39:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C72C3B0086 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 02:39:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25550-10 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 02:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0F253B0071 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 02:39:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D6C4BAA; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:29:48 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UL3x-ef3EiNH; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:29:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from [172.16.2.40] (unknown [125.24.69.165]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38B2E4BA9; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:29:41 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Responsibility for mail server, impact on Subversion From: Ross Golder To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org, jdub@perkypants.org In-Reply-To: <20060712051132.GN655@waugh.id.au> References: <20060712051132.GN655@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:29:35 +0700 Message-Id: <1152682175.8617.36.camel@rossg-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.542 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.057, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.542 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Kjartan Maraas , Jonathan Blandford X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:39:20 -0000 On Wed, 2006-07-12 at 15:11 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > Hi all, > > A number of people have suggested that it would be irresponsible to do the > Subversion migration while our mail infrastructure is in the terrible state > that it is. I strongly agree... and suggest that we commit to delaying the > Subversion migration if the mail infrastructure is not functioning reliably > by Monday. As unfortunate as it would be to delay, we can not responsibly > expect our users to cope with such a change without fully functioning mail > services for support and co-ordination. > > To back this up, I would like to own the responsibility for getting our mail > services back up and running reliably. This problem needs a clear owner, not > fresh layers of temporary fixes, trial and error experiments and incomplete > analysis. *No* changes should be made without confirmation, unless a serious > emergency change is required in which case you should follow up to this mail > both on list and directly to my address. This means mail server config on > all our machines... and (!!!) firewall configuration related to mail server > functions. > > This will allow Ross (and perhaps others, if he needs them) to focus 100% on > preparing for and documenting the Subversion migration, which is *extremely* > important to get right, while ensuring that we do not make more mistakes as > we attempt to fix the mail server infrastructure. > > Thanks, > > - Jeff > Discussed on IRC and agreed. Jeff owns the mail problem now. -- Ross From jdub@waugh.id.au Wed Jul 12 06:45:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9C0D3B0284 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:45:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02521-04 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82F7D3B0239 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:45:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22CDE3C85B; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:11:41 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 20DF141B4; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:11:32 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:11:32 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: GNOME Infrastructure Subject: Responsibility for mail server, impact on Subversion Message-ID: <20060712051132.GN655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME Infrastructure , Ross Golder , "Guilherme de S. Pastore" , Jonathan Blandford , Kjartan Maraas MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Reply-By: Sat Jul 15 14:53:06 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 14:53:06 up 7 days, 8:10, 8 users, load average: 0.14, 0.05, 0.01 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.448 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.448 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Kjartan Maraas , Jonathan Blandford X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org, jdub@perkypants.org List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:45:45 -0000 Hi all, A number of people have suggested that it would be irresponsible to do the Subversion migration while our mail infrastructure is in the terrible state that it is. I strongly agree... and suggest that we commit to delaying the Subversion migration if the mail infrastructure is not functioning reliably by Monday. As unfortunate as it would be to delay, we can not responsibly expect our users to cope with such a change without fully functioning mail services for support and co-ordination. To back this up, I would like to own the responsibility for getting our mail services back up and running reliably. This problem needs a clear owner, not fresh layers of temporary fixes, trial and error experiments and incomplete analysis. *No* changes should be made without confirmation, unless a serious emergency change is required in which case you should follow up to this mail both on list and directly to my address. This means mail server config on all our machines... and (!!!) firewall configuration related to mail server functions. This will allow Ross (and perhaps others, if he needs them) to focus 100% on preparing for and documenting the Subversion migration, which is *extremely* important to get right, while ensuring that we do not make more mistakes as we attempt to fix the mail server infrastructure. Thanks, - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ What do you get when you cross a web server and a hen? Apoache. From qgil@desdeamericaconamor.org Wed Jul 12 10:41:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 408A83B0606 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:41:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15778-01 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from servidor.almenara.org (unknown [213.149.238.22]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 260A13B0653 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:10:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18182 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2006 08:23:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.1.34]) (88.5.163.2) by 213.149.238.22 with SMTP; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:23:48 +0000 Subject: Re: www.gtkmm.org hosting From: Quim Gil To: Ross Golder In-Reply-To: <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> References: <1143130036.6942.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143130109.6942.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143209101.12253.18.camel@yellow> <1143209712.5969.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144063086.6062.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1145376467.17987.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149102258.5720.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149106990.5720.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149168356.5197.5.camel@green> <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-+a22hFKBGhJuwCCNf+1j" Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:23:47 +0200 Message-Id: <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.573 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.026, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.573 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:41:16 -0000 --=-+a22hFKBGhJuwCCNf+1j Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 14:37 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > > seems like we might not have the sysadmin resources to really support > > extra web sites.=20 GNOME projects are not extra web sites, really. We should find a balance between project websites requirements and sysadmin realistic resources. Murray, it would be great if you could start a list of requirements based on your own needs for gtkmm.org. Then we can improve these requirements checking with other GNOME projects, and after that we "negotiate" with the sysadmins what can we really offer.=20 With this we get a official and documented offer to GNOME projects. Those happy with it can come and be served. Those with special needs can try to increase the requirements accepted or go elsewhere. None of this solves your problem now, it will be helpful in the future though. Feel free to suggest a timeline for the planning process at http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/DevelopmentTimeline --=20 Quim Gil /// http://desdeamericaconamor.org | http://guadec.org --=-+a22hFKBGhJuwCCNf+1j Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEsg6TBEzHYk6x634RAhTiAJ4x5egjpZXo2MtDY93Q50jzh0LZUgCcDges G0YGvZ2N05Ixdf1h9fyye68= =01SD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-+a22hFKBGhJuwCCNf+1j-- From jdub@waugh.id.au Wed Jul 12 10:50:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51E0E3B0661 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:50:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17292-04 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA9AE3B011D for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:47:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AFF33D89D for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:47:21 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 380F241B4; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:47:12 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:47:12 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: GNOME Infrastructure Subject: mailman round trip test Message-ID: <20060712144712.GZ655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME Infrastructure MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Reply-By: Sun Jul 16 00:46:41 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 00:46:41 up 7 days, 18:04, 9 users, load average: 0.06, 0.03, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.448 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.448 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:50:52 -0000 This is the list that has to suffer test emails. Suffer in your jocks, etc. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ From jdub@waugh.id.au Wed Jul 12 11:07:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B1F23B04E9 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:07:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21015-07 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BAB13B02C6 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:07:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id C30133D8C3 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:07:27 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9B83E41B4; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:07:18 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:07:18 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: GNOME Infrastructure Subject: Re: mailman round trip test Message-ID: <20060712150718.GA655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME Infrastructure References: <20060712144712.GZ655@waugh.id.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060712144712.GZ655@waugh.id.au> Reply-By: Sun Jul 16 01:07:07 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 01:07:07 up 7 days, 18:24, 7 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.448 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.448 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:07:52 -0000 > This is the list that has to suffer test emails. Suffer in your jocks, etc. Another round-trip test. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ Great minds think different? From jdub@waugh.id.au Wed Jul 12 11:10:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2985E3B033B for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:10:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21354-07 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:10:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B92F3B0149 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:10:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1AB23D8C3 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:10:30 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9865F41B4; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:10:21 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:10:21 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Re: mailman round trip test Message-ID: <20060712151021.GB655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org References: <20060712144712.GZ655@waugh.id.au> <20060712150718.GA655@waugh.id.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060712150718.GA655@waugh.id.au> Reply-By: Sun Jul 16 01:08:54 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 01:08:54 up 7 days, 18:26, 7 users, load average: 0.16, 0.03, 0.01 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.448 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.448 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:10:32 -0000 > Another round-trip test. Hah: 01:07:18 - leaves laptop, to gnome.org 01:08:26 - returns laptop, via gnome.org Sweet. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "World domination is a community responsibility." - Michael Hall, LinuxPlanet From jdub@waugh.id.au Wed Jul 12 11:37:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 789373B0110 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:37:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25778-01 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CB503B00A5 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:37:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99E353D8BE for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:37:02 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5AC5D41B4; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:36:53 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:36:53 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Re: mailman round trip test Message-ID: <20060712153653.GD655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org References: <20060712144712.GZ655@waugh.id.au> <20060712150718.GA655@waugh.id.au> <20060712151021.GB655@waugh.id.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060712151021.GB655@waugh.id.au> Reply-By: Sun Jul 16 01:36:36 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 01:36:36 up 7 days, 18:54, 7 users, load average: 0.16, 0.07, 0.02 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.448 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.448 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:37:07 -0000 > > Another round-trip test. > Sweet. Tripping again. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "Openness cannot be assumed, it must be asserted in order to be assured." - Christopher Kelty From hadess@hadess.net Wed Jul 12 12:41:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB3D23B0220 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02355-02 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lucifer.nerdfest.org (lucifer.nerdfest.org [216.243.209.218]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF42B3B0166 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:41:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (cpc4-glfd1-0-0-cust751.glfd.cable.ntl.com [86.16.126.240]) (authenticated bits=0) by lucifer.nerdfest.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6CGfKRP016617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:41:26 -0500 Subject: ping From: Bastien Nocera To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:44:23 +0100 Message-Id: <1152722663.11334.52.camel@wyatt.hadess.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.5.90 (2.5.90-2.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.2/1592/Tue Jul 11 15:40:37 2006 on lucifer.nerdfest.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.592 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.008, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.592 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:41:29 -0000 ping From matthias.clasen@gmail.com Wed Jul 12 12:41:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1B183B0220 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:41:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02219-10 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:41:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.183]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED4293B01CC for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id z59so303761pyg for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:41:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.99.14 with SMTP id b14mr1079375pym; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:41:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.39.16 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:41:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:41:55 -0400 From: "Matthias Clasen" To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: ping MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.41 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.010, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.41 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:41:56 -0000 ping From qub333@gmail.com Wed Jul 12 12:42:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E8C93B0225 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02275-10 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:42:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.183]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CBCB3B0220 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:42:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id z59so303761pyg for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.34.18 with SMTP id m18mr1108427pyj; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.8.13 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <88d636060607120942x5e3d4e8aw689837a7065548f3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:42:01 -0400 From: "Kevin Kubasik" Sender: qub333@gmail.com To: "Bastien Nocera" Subject: Re: ping In-Reply-To: <1152722663.11334.52.camel@wyatt.hadess.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1152722663.11334.52.camel@wyatt.hadess.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: bb9559309d9fe1bb X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.403 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.003, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.403 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:42:04 -0000 pong.... On 7/12/06, Bastien Nocera wrote: > ping > > > _______________________________________________ > Gnome-infrastructure mailing list > Gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-infrastructure > -- Cheers, Kevin Kubasik http://kubasik.net/blog From mclasen@redhat.com Wed Jul 12 12:42:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D1E13B0131 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:42:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02288-08 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E76BC3B0225 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:42:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k6CGgNdF012210 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:42:23 -0400 Received: from lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (lacrosse.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.154]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k6CGgNl6009599 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:42:23 -0400 Received: from [172.16.83.175] (vpn83-175.boston.redhat.com [172.16.83.175]) by lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k6CGgMlM004853 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:42:22 -0400 Subject: ping From: Matthias Clasen To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Red Hat Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:45:18 -0400 Message-Id: <1152722718.3048.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.3 (2.7.3-9) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.542 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.059, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.542 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:42:25 -0000 ping From jdub@waugh.id.au Wed Jul 12 12:50:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAFE03B03EA for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02665-10 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:50:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70F793B0462 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 030F33D8B1 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:50:23 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A78D741B4; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:50:07 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:50:07 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Re: ping Message-ID: <20060712165007.GE655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org References: <1152722718.3048.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1152722718.3048.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Reply-By: Sun Jul 16 02:49:29 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 02:49:29 up 7 days, 20:06, 7 users, load average: 0.32, 0.07, 0.02 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.448 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.448 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:50:27 -0000 > ping (Pings prompted by me. Those on this mailing list can be content to suffer occasional non-mailing-list-like behaviour such as this. Jocks/suffer/etc.) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "Building a Kernel is a requirement for Securing Servers." - Oscar Plameras From jdub@waugh.id.au Wed Jul 12 12:58:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 797DF3B0007 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03412-03 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:58:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30B8F3B00C3 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:58:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8B043D8B4 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:58:13 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 52B0241B4; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:58:04 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:58:04 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: GNOME Infrastructure Subject: mailgraph/qshape on menubar Message-ID: <20060712165804.GF655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME Infrastructure MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Reply-By: Sun Jul 16 02:53:16 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 02:53:16 up 7 days, 20:10, 7 users, load average: 0.08, 0.06, 0.02 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.448 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.448 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:58:17 -0000 Hey, I've installed mailgraph (and dependencies [1]) on menubar. This simple tool has become a staple of my mail server maintenance arsenal - it's very useful to have a quick visual guide to how your mail server is running. It's pretty interesting already. :-) I've also copied qshape from postfix 2.1.x into menubar:/usr/local/bin. This is another must-have tool for postfix administration, providing vastly more useful information than mailq: per-sender/recipient domain queue statistics. Thanks, - Jeff [1] http://nakedape.cc/ftp/nakedape/rhel3/rpm/ -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "That whole 'you complete me' thing is just tragic and totally unrealistic. Go complete yourself." - Anon From ross@golder.org Thu Jul 13 00:48:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC4AA3B00D8; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:48:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05107-01; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:48:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7525F3B00C5; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:48:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B58D34BAE; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 05:48:12 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1mj-1Cb5e8E1; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 05:48:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from [172.16.2.40] (unknown [125.24.76.250]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F9814BA7; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 05:48:06 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Time to move GGV to the Attic? (Was: Subversion migration recap (cut-off Friday July 14th)) From: Ross Golder To: Gary Ekker In-Reply-To: <1152503442.4652.29.camel@cezanne.site> References: <1152444988.9101.16.camel@red> <1152503442.4652.29.camel@cezanne.site> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:48:02 +0700 Message-Id: <1152766082.17165.29.camel@rossg-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.543 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.056, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.543 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Infrastructure , gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 04:48:14 -0000 On อา., 2006-07-09 at 21:50 -0600, Gary Ekker wrote: > On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 18:36 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > Now would be an ideal opportunity to let us know about any old CVS > > modules you know about that are redundant, so we can put them out of the > > way in the Attic before the migration. > > I think it is an appropriate time to move GGV to the Attic, we haven't > shipped it in GNOME for over a year. All feature development is now done > in the Evince project. I haven't checked, but I doubt any distros are > still shipping GGV. Bug fixing has slowed to almost nothing, and there > will likely never be another release... > OK, moved to the Attic. It can always be resurrected and migrated later if deemed necessary. -- Ross From ross@golder.org Thu Jul 13 02:19:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39B453B0314; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:19:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08198-05; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:19:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 305363B0004; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:19:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A9C24BAF; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:19:37 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4TZriOVjFg21; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:19:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from [172.16.2.40] (unknown [125.24.76.250]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABE134BAE; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:19:31 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Delay in mail from GNOME From: Ross Golder To: Olav Vitters In-Reply-To: <20051211143508.GB13357@bkor.dhs.org> References: <20051211143508.GB13357@bkor.dhs.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:19:26 +0700 Message-Id: <1152771566.17165.63.camel@rossg-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.541 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.058, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.541 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-sysadmin@gnome.org, gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 06:19:40 -0000 On อา., 2005-12-11 at 15:35 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: > Mails from GNOME are delayed by at least 50min. Seems amavis is the > cause. See below for two headers. One of a Bugzilla mail. Another one of > a mailinglist mail from someone in the same timezone as me. In the > mailinglist mail I edited my email address, made no other changes. > > Still waiting on some emails. Not any more you're not :) -- Ross From ross@golder.org Thu Jul 13 03:34:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2760D3B00EE for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 03:34:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10497-10 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 03:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64FDA3B02BF for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 03:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E0E94BAF; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:34:02 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eRxO0n924fEy; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:34:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from [172.16.2.40] (unknown [125.24.76.250]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33DDB4BAE; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:33:57 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Mail archives giving a 404 when searched From: Ross Golder To: Kevin Kubasik In-Reply-To: <44ACFAC2.20507@kubasik.net> References: <44ACFAC2.20507@kubasik.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:33:51 +0700 Message-Id: <1152776031.17165.93.camel@rossg-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.534 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.065, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.534 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:34:05 -0000 On พฤ., 2006-07-06 at 07:57 -0400, Kevin Kubasik wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 > > I dunno if this was already known, or if it was an outstanding bug, go > to an active mailing list archive like > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/dashboard-hackers/ and type in a search > term, you'll get a Not Found message. Seemed like this was more > infrastructures territory than the web team, so I thought I'd go here > first. If its there thing, I can file a bug. I fixed the 404 recently, but the archive search still isn't perfect. There a bug for this: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74288 -- Ross From jdub@waugh.id.au Thu Jul 13 03:43:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10C393B017D for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 03:43:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10571-10 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 03:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CB9D3B00C5 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 03:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 099FF3D8E1; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:43:46 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8A7E74113; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:43:42 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:43:42 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: Ross Golder Subject: Re: [Fwd: Another suggestion for easening the mail burden..] Message-ID: <20060713074342.GH655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: Ross Golder , GNOME Infrastructure References: <1152774353.17165.86.camel@rossg-desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1152774353.17165.86.camel@rossg-desktop> Reply-By: Sun Jul 16 17:22:45 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 17:22:45 up 8 days, 10:40, 8 users, load average: 0.01, 0.02, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.448 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.448 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Infrastructure X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:43:48 -0000 > Just dug this suggestion from Stric up. Don't know if it makes any sense > in the context of the stuff you're doing... (Snip good suggestions about reducing the number of mails hitting Amavis.) So, I've *massively* reduced the number of mails going to Amavis simply by reducing the number of mails being allowed to go through the MTA. It looks like roughly 1 mail per second going through Amavis, which correlates with the number of received mails per minute (mpm) on mailgraph [1]. We can handle 75mpm, *internally*, no sweat. Realistically we can handle a heck of a lot more, even before we give Amavis more head room (cranking up its max_servers/max_requests, etc). So, certainly something to think about in the future, but now that we have good information about the behaviour of our mail load, we need to watch it for a while, to get a better grip on it over a useful period of time. Then we can start thinking about further optimisations. (Replying on gnome-infrastructure for temporal documentation purposes.) Thanks, - Jeff [1] http://mail.gnome.org/mailgraph.cgi - now with bonus virus/spam stats. -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "Linux continues to have almost as much soul as James Brown." - Forrest Cook, LWN From ross@golder.org Thu Jul 13 07:50:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85DFF3B0326; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:50:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11473-04; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:49:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3F043B01BD; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:49:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31BF04BAF; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:49:39 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2i4GeI8q4kAp; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:49:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from [172.16.2.40] (unknown [125.24.76.250]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 882B14BAE; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:49:33 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: preparing for UTC timezone, corrections to cronjobs From: Ross Golder To: Toni Willberg In-Reply-To: <448A8B9D.8010505@golder.org> References: <1108251195.11292.6.camel@nasu> <448A8B9D.8010505@golder.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:49:27 +0700 Message-Id: <1152776968.17165.96.camel@rossg-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.534 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.065, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.534 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME sysadmin list , gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:50:09 -0000 On ส., 2006-06-10 at 16:06 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > I would like to move ahead with this as soon as possible. Not only has > it been outstanding for way too long, it shouldn't be too hard or scary > to do, it shouldn't break anything (at least not irreparably), and would > be nice to get done and be allowed to settle before GUADEC. Thanks for > doing the groundwork Toni (and Kurt) - now it's about time we did > something about it :) > > I am proposing to action this tomorrow at about 0800UTC. Does anyone > have any objections or foresee any problems? > Done now. FTR, I copied /usr/share/zoneinfo/UTC to /etc/localtime on all six machines, and updated the crontab entries identified by Toni. -- Ross From vincent@vuntz.net Thu Jul 13 10:03:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CFDF3B029F; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:03:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18306-04; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:03:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 276E33B028C; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:03:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C5489112698; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:03:37 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:03:37 +0200 From: Vincent Untz To: Ross Golder Subject: Re: Time to move GGV to the Attic? (Was: Subversion migration recap (cut-off Friday July 14th)) Message-ID: <20060713100337.GB28420@vuntz.net> References: <1152444988.9101.16.camel@red> <1152503442.4652.29.camel@cezanne.site> <1152766082.17165.29.camel@rossg-desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1152766082.17165.29.camel@rossg-desktop> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.554 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.046, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.554 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Infrastructure , gnome-hackers@gnome.org, Gary Ekker X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:03:42 -0000 Le jeudi 13 juillet 2006, à 11:48, Ross Golder a écrit : > On อา., 2006-07-09 at 21:50 -0600, Gary Ekker wrote: > > On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 18:36 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > > Now would be an ideal opportunity to let us know about any old CVS > > > modules you know about that are redundant, so we can put them out of the > > > way in the Attic before the migration. > > > > I think it is an appropriate time to move GGV to the Attic, we haven't > > shipped it in GNOME for over a year. All feature development is now done > > in the Evince project. I haven't checked, but I doubt any distros are > > still shipping GGV. Bug fixing has slowed to almost nothing, and there > > will likely never be another release... > > > > OK, moved to the Attic. It can always be resurrected and migrated later > if deemed necessary. Err, I thought we had a special CVS Root for this: archives. http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/?root=archive Attic is inappropriate for this, IMHO. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From ross@golder.org Thu Jul 13 12:13:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DB943B03D3; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:13:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24299-04; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:13:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BCEE3B04AD; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:13:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF2974BAE; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:13:25 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cNwmlKzGs6Uw; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:13:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from [172.16.2.40] (unknown [125.24.76.250]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A60924BAB; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:13:16 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Time to move GGV to the Attic? (Was: Subversion migration recap (cut-off Friday July 14th)) From: Ross Golder To: Vincent Untz In-Reply-To: <20060713100337.GB28420@vuntz.net> References: <1152444988.9101.16.camel@red> <1152503442.4652.29.camel@cezanne.site> <1152766082.17165.29.camel@rossg-desktop> <20060713100337.GB28420@vuntz.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:13:11 +0700 Message-Id: <1152792791.5844.0.camel@rossg-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.532 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.067, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.532 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Infrastructure , gnome-hackers@gnome.org, Gary Ekker X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:13:40 -0000 On พฤ., 2006-07-13 at 12:03 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > Le jeudi 13 juillet 2006, à 11:48, Ross Golder a écrit : > > On อา., 2006-07-09 at 21:50 -0600, Gary Ekker wrote: > > > On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 18:36 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > > > Now would be an ideal opportunity to let us know about any old CVS > > > > modules you know about that are redundant, so we can put them out of the > > > > way in the Attic before the migration. > > > > > > I think it is an appropriate time to move GGV to the Attic, we haven't > > > shipped it in GNOME for over a year. All feature development is now done > > > in the Evince project. I haven't checked, but I doubt any distros are > > > still shipping GGV. Bug fixing has slowed to almost nothing, and there > > > will likely never be another release... > > > > > > > OK, moved to the Attic. It can always be resurrected and migrated later > > if deemed necessary. > > Err, I thought we had a special CVS Root for this: archives. > http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/?root=archive > > Attic is inappropriate for this, IMHO. > > Vincent > OK. I wasn't aware of that. Moved from the Attic to the archive. -- Ross From andy@andycc.net Wed Jul 12 14:10:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 797963B02D0 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:10:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08356-06 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:10:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sydney.mailnetwork.co.uk (server88-208-192-113.live-servers.net [88.208.192.113]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85BB83B043A for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:10:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andyshellam-gw.adsl.newnet.co.uk ([80.175.198.137]:59194 helo=[192.168.1.15]) by sydney.mailnetwork.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1G00Ko-0001P6-Hv; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:18:18 +0100 Message-ID: <44B299E8.8010607@andycc.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:18:16 +0100 From: Andy Shellam Organization: the mail network User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ross Golder , gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Re: www.gtkmm.org hosting References: <1143130036.6942.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143130109.6942.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143209101.12253.18.camel@yellow> <1143209712.5969.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144063086.6062.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1145376467.17987.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149102258.5720.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149106990.5720.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149168356.5197.5.camel@green> <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> <1152543926.9094.30.camel@red> In-Reply-To: <1152543926.9094.30.camel@red> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.466 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.466 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:38:19 +0000 X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: andy@andycc.net List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:10:13 -0000 Hi Ross (and others): If you can give a list of skills required, what sort of systems you manage, future expectations etc, (I suppose similar to a job spec), I'd definitely be interested in helping out :) I currently run my own web, database and e-mail servers (Linux w/ Gnome of course ;) ), and I'm a software analyst by day-time profession, but have commercial experience in managing Windows, Linux and Unix servers, and our server estate at work covers 200+ servers. I'd love to see if I can offer anything to team :) Regards Andy Ross Golder wrote: > I have been considering starting (another) internal thread on how we can > widen the GNOME sysadmin team some more. We made a request for sysadmin > volunteers a couple of years ago, and got a good response, but > unfortunately we turned most of them down and only took up a few of them > on their offers, as we only needed a few more pairs of hands at the > time. > > Now we have a small influx of new hardware and hosting offers, we are > going to need to make sure they don't sit idle waiting for us to get > round to them. I think we are going to need to consider taking on a few > more worthy volunteers into the team to help prepare and execute any > plans we will be drawing up and help maintain a certain level of service > etc. > > Anyway, what with the subversion migration and other (non-GNOME) work, > I'll be a bit busy for the next few weeks, but hopefully by the time > that settles, Murray (and anyone else with an opinion) should have > started setting some of the expectations and we can begin to discuss how > to meet them ;) I look forward to seeing them. > > -- > Ross > > > _______________________________________________ > Gnome-infrastructure mailing list > Gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-infrastructure > > !DSPAM:14,44b2888034531041548765! > > > From gekker@novell.com Wed Jul 12 16:09:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D9793B0162 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:09:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15617-01 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [130.57.169.10]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 471083B013A for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 21470 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2006 03:53:01 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO ?192.168.0.100?) (gekker@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Jul 2006 03:53:01 -0000 Subject: Re: Time to move GGV to the Attic? (Was: Subversion migration recap (cut-off Friday July 14th)) From: Gary Ekker To: Ross Golder In-Reply-To: <1152444988.9101.16.camel@red> References: <1152444988.9101.16.camel@red> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 21:50:41 -0600 Message-Id: <1152503442.4652.29.camel@cezanne.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.399 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.399 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:38:19 +0000 Cc: GNOME Infrastructure , gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 20:09:06 -0000 On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 18:36 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > Now would be an ideal opportunity to let us know about any old CVS > modules you know about that are redundant, so we can put them out of the > way in the Attic before the migration. I think it is an appropriate time to move GGV to the Attic, we haven't shipped it in GNOME for over a year. All feature development is now done in the Evince project. I haven't checked, but I doubt any distros are still shipping GGV. Bug fixing has slowed to almost nothing, and there will likely never be another release... That said I'm not sure if there are criteria that a module has to meet before it is archived. I'm about to leave town on holiday, and won't have access to email until after the migration begins, so I can't participate in any pre-migration discussion this may generate. The GGV module can definitely be one of the last, if it is even necessary to migrate it at all. -Gary From toni@willberg.fi Thu Jul 13 09:50:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ABB33B028C for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:50:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17515-09 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:50:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gw03.mail.saunalahti.fi (gw03.mail.saunalahti.fi [195.197.172.111]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 090EB3B02DF for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:50:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from willberg.fi (KMMMDXXXII.dsl.saunalahti.fi [62.142.131.132]) by gw03.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E70F216198 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:50:10 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [192.168.100.55] (laalaa.home.willberg.fi [192.168.100.55]) by willberg.fi (8.13.5/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k6D9nRIh002114 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:49:27 +0300 Message-ID: <44B61757.1030805@willberg.fi> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:50:15 +0300 From: Toni Willberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Re: Widen the team? [was: www.gtkmm.org hosting] References: <1149106990.5720.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149168356.5197.5.camel@green> <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> <1152543926.9094.30.camel@red> <20060710202714.GO655@waugh.id.au> In-Reply-To: <20060710202714.GO655@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/1539/Wed Jun 14 17:21:49 2006 clamav-milter version 0.80j on 127.0.0.1 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.436 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.028, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.436 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:38:19 +0000 X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:50:16 -0000 Jeff Waugh kirjoitti: > > >> I have been considering starting (another) internal thread on how we can >> widen the GNOME sysadmin team some more. > > Sorry to be characteristically blunt, but we don't need more people - that > would just complicate matters more - what we do need is more attentive and > more professional people. I have been surprised and dismayed at the recent > issues we've been having and the actions taken to paper over or dodge them > rather than actually fix them. Our machines have always been in a somewhat > mediocre state, but the current churn and reactive approach to improvement > is taking its toll. Now, this is not all gar... It's been obvious over the > past month that I have been paying much more attention to sysadmin issues. > So I'm not idly complaining - I intend to spend more time on it. > > - Jeff > My opinion (based on experience) is that the Foundation should hire one part-time system administrator to take care of mission critical services. The volunteer sysadmin team would be doing whatever they (we) have been doing as usual, but the head of the team would be actually responsible of things (also in legal perspective). This arrangement should avoid some of the pingpong issues we have had in the past. In my opinion some of the delays have been caused by the fact that there has been no-one who can (or have been willing to) make decisions about certain things. If the idea gets support, could someone please escalate this to the Foundation, thanks. - Toni ps. sorry about not having time to do sysadmin tasks actively anymore :( From qub333@gmail.com Thu Jul 13 13:27:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CFFF3B0516 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:27:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27932-08 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:27:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51A5A3B04E3 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:27:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id 57so211639pya for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 06:27:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.91.10 with SMTP id t10mr752576pyl; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 06:27:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.8.13 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 06:27:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <88d636060607130627j70ff9ca6g6125746d5a353e7a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:27:42 -0400 From: "Kevin Kubasik" Sender: qub333@gmail.com To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Debian Server Compramise MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: f24165d09233aab2 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.409 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.009, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.409 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:27:44 -0000 I know this isn't all that exciting or relevant (I guess its pretty common for servers to be compromised) but I feel most OSS projects see this far less often then corporate systems. Regardless, It appears one of Debian's servers was compromised, while they haven't made much in terms of details public, it might be worth a scan of our logs for anything suspicious if we have some hacker with an anti-OSS vendetta, or who is at least proficient against *nix based machines. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/07/msg00003.html Not trying to cry wolf or cite serious concern, but also if anyone on the list happens to know the debian sysadmins more personally, they may want to get specifics. -- Cheers, Kevin Kubasik http://kubasik.net/blog From jdub@waugh.id.au Thu Jul 13 13:47:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C774D3B0455 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:47:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28828-09 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:47:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A05283B0514 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:47:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29F733C3E5 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:47:06 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A8C914113; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:47:02 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:47:02 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Re: Widen the team? [was: www.gtkmm.org hosting] Message-ID: <20060713134702.GJ655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org References: <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> <1152543926.9094.30.camel@red> <20060710202714.GO655@waugh.id.au> <44B61757.1030805@willberg.fi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <44B61757.1030805@willberg.fi> Reply-By: Sun Jul 16 23:44:36 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 23:44:36 up 8 days, 17:01, 8 users, load average: 0.01, 0.02, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.448 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.448 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:47:07 -0000 > If the idea gets support, could someone please escalate this to the > Foundation, thanks. *board hat on* The GNOME Foundation Board is aware of this want/need, and is working toward putting the Foundation on much better financial footing, such that we could make this kind of investment safely. There is definitely no timeline for a sysadmin position opening, but it's definitely on the agenda for the future. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "And that's what it sounds like if you *download* it!" - John Linnell of They Might Be Giants From ross@golder.org Thu Jul 13 15:23:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0A9C3B0324 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:23:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01450-02 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:23:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D27623B0061 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:23:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 040484BAE; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:23:32 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2J7W-bJfzFL8; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:23:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from [172.16.2.40] (unknown [125.24.76.250]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFE0E4BA7; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:23:26 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: www.gtkmm.org hosting From: Ross Golder To: andy@andycc.net In-Reply-To: <44B299E8.8010607@andycc.net> References: <1143130036.6942.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143130109.6942.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143209101.12253.18.camel@yellow> <1143209712.5969.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144063086.6062.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1145376467.17987.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149102258.5720.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149106990.5720.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149168356.5197.5.camel@green> <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> <1152543926.9094.30.camel@red> <44B299E8.8010607@andycc.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 22:23:21 +0700 Message-Id: <1152804201.6333.9.camel@rossg-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.531 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.068, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.531 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:23:36 -0000 On จ., 2006-07-10 at 19:18 +0100, Andy Shellam wrote: > Hi Ross (and others): > > If you can give a list of skills required, what sort of systems you > manage, future expectations etc, (I suppose similar to a job spec), I'd > definitely be interested in helping out :) > > I currently run my own web, database and e-mail servers (Linux w/ Gnome > of course ;) ), and I'm a software analyst by day-time profession, but > have commercial experience in managing Windows, Linux and Unix servers, > and our server estate at work covers 200+ servers. > > I'd love to see if I can offer anything to team :) > A good place to start would be to read: http://live.gnome.org/HelpingSysadmin Thanks, -- Ross From qub333@gmail.com Thu Jul 13 16:09:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D88E13B046F for ; 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Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:07:07 -0300 (BRT) Subject: Re: Debian Server Compramise From: "Guilherme de S. Pastore" To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <88d636060607130627j70ff9ca6g6125746d5a353e7a@mail.gmail.com> References: <88d636060607130627j70ff9ca6g6125746d5a353e7a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:07:05 -0300 Message-Id: <1152810425.4949.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.152 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.460, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.152 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:07:12 -0000 Il giorno gio, 13/07/2006 alle 09.27 -0400, Kevin Kubasik ha scritto: > Regardless, It appears one > of Debian's servers was compromised This is not the first time a Debian server is compromised, and the last time it happened it was much worse. As far as I can tell, both times it was a combination of a developer password being sniffed together with a rootkit, and that is exactly the reason gnome.org users do not have passwords. -- Guilherme de S. Pastore fatalerror From qub333@gmail.com Thu Jul 13 18:07:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D8243B059C for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:07:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09073-09 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:07:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 446FF3B0601 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:07:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id 57so306129pya for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:07:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.103.12 with SMTP id f12mr939752pym; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:07:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.8.13 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:07:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <88d636060607131107p463c4499oc1cfa79f8b96331b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:07:11 -0400 From: "Kevin Kubasik" Sender: qub333@gmail.com To: "Guilherme de S. Pastore" Subject: Re: Debian Server Compramise In-Reply-To: <1152810425.4949.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <88d636060607130627j70ff9ca6g6125746d5a353e7a@mail.gmail.com> <1152810425.4949.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Google-Sender-Auth: b90bedbebcb5fb1d X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.409 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.009, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.409 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:07:15 -0000 Sounds peachy :) I am surprised to hear that the debian accounts have passwords and are not exclusivly keys. O well, Kevin Kubasik On 7/13/06, Guilherme de S. Pastore wrote: > Il giorno gio, 13/07/2006 alle 09.27 -0400, Kevin Kubasik ha scritto: > > Regardless, It appears one > > of Debian's servers was compromised > > This is not the first time a Debian server is compromised, and the last > time it happened it was much worse. As far as I can tell, both times it > was a combination of a developer password being sniffed together with a > rootkit, and that is exactly the reason gnome.org users do not have > passwords. > > -- > Guilherme de S. Pastore > fatalerror > > _______________________________________________ > Gnome-infrastructure mailing list > Gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-infrastructure > -- Cheers, Kevin Kubasik http://kubasik.net/blog From qub333@gmail.com Sat Jul 15 23:57:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00ACD3B00CC for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:57:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03265-05 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:57:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.192]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DB853B014C for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:57:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id t10so478191wxc for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 16:57:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.32.11 with SMTP id f11mr1206096wxf; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 16:57:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.109? ( [69.140.109.194]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id i17sm5034088wxd.2006.07.15.16.57.42; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 16:57:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <44B980E1.9020403@kubasik.net> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 19:57:21 -0400 From: Kevin Kubasik User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060615) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Duplicate modules in SVN migration plan X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 OpenPGP: id=43337DF4; url=http://kubasik.net/KevinKubasik.asc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: Kevin Kubasik X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.363 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.037, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.363 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:57:47 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 I just noticed that beagle is scheduled to be migrated twice, once with the first priority list, and once in the third. I don't know if it would actually be detrimental if this happened, but to save time we should probably check for any other duplicates. http://www.gnome.org/~rossg/migration-priority-1.list http://www.gnome.org/~rossg/migration-priority-2.list http://www.gnome.org/~rossg/migration-priority-3.list - -- Cheers, Kevin Kubasik 240-838-6616 http://kubasik.net/blog -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iQIVAwUBRLmA4f3xZFNDM330AQh5gg/+P6zwWLGACfPwoHPbYp3gIuo4j4dra7Or vkIIk5BgA0Kc2OdFuz7nqAoTM9VUBJ4er6osBDNvdemznljnVuR3DUYj38OKLW+B Nm1YGD7OkO6UbOPdUq1y3V7HJY4+So1I6jmi2KaP5yZpLI8RdaidLrBwjIuqE4G9 Va17lCdv9tjJEm0bg42EDIPVRreIe/lZAxq1BcpzIr2nFP62a/fdiqkKo1s3Rhah 9KgbHiGmOqF/DbnYiclFax0P9Zfqp2v4RrtTWnltEy/C5MreNXADxhu0E9dizwt/ CEkidcYbcKuk1UG8KrnUBgfBw7pEzvzCa+VSzMxr6MEkbo6qsfq9fZJh9bkSt+Af PhQr6umrani+S4HSWXvMCFfvpXhimH8ycFBrroIODYiCPEG5BfzUCI+roL0t8bRJ CxmrM4W2mIc5BchNACPh2ocz7RbFVMSdDSJN/nab3jw01QGv7p01cxEeyIomV845 6Am/b4M+UAYXW4TNP12sxkU2bakGEPYyyTaok2PW/3ptNIqJUCcQUdRogkbtJYia 0MYaYCYxp6VR5a7AvKuuPNljjWiuQorGupRlQIH9r9CnUkLiM84vKqVKeN8yEtDR NbxxxxQkSed0Q32qe+uGn1ML+MTm2EUkIg68Je9xRp6MRDYPvYrlMP9adpbrhCW6 /8ZxVWCLqag= =iRhu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From behdad.esfahbod@gmail.com Sun Jul 16 00:34:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8112C3B010B for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:34:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04630-05 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:34:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.228]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB0323B010A for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:34:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i4so345792wra for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 17:34:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.84.1 with SMTP id h1mr870112wrb; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 17:34:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.190.5? ( [72.136.156.47]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 5sm1296541wrh.2006.07.15.17.34.15; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 17:34:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Subversion migration in progress: CVS is now read-only From: Behdad Esfahbod To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20060715000727.GE655@waugh.id.au> References: <20060715000727.GE655@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 20:34:14 -0400 Message-Id: <1153010054.23526.13.camel@home> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 (2.6.2-1.fc5.5) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: Behdad Esfahbod X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.476 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.076, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.476 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:34:19 -0000 On Fri, 2006-07-14 at 20:07 -0400, Jeff Waugh wrote: > Good morning, freedom lovers! > > The migration from CVS to Subversion has begun. As of 00:00 UTC, CVS is read > only, and modules are being imported into the new Subversion repository. For > more information about the Subversion migration, please read: > > http://live.gnome.org/Subversion > > You can track modules during migration at... http://svn.gnome.org/migration/ Can we get Pango migrated before Monday? I'll be in away for conferences next week and expect to commit. Thanks behdad > Thanks, > > - Jeff > > -- > linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ > > 'unf' is walking into a door. > 'untz' is walking into a drum kit. -- behdad http://behdad.org/ "Commandment Three says Do Not Kill, Amendment Two says Blood Will Spill" -- Dan Bern, "New American Language" From jdub@waugh.id.au Sun Jul 16 00:49:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 283D93B012B for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:49:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05706-02 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:49:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 057D93B010B for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:49:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48F093D973 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:49:48 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E7AD63F3C; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:49:39 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:49:39 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: GNOME Infrastructure Subject: More ping-a-lings Message-ID: <20060716004939.GB2821@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME Infrastructure MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 Reply-By: Wed Jul 19 10:49:26 EST 2006 X-Uptime: 10:49:27 up 11 days, 4:06, 7 users, load average: 0.09, 0.03, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.45 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.45 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:49:50 -0000 Hey. Ping. Y'know? - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "I think hot Chinese girls who kick ass are the wave of the future, as far as films go." - Cody Russell From jdub@perkypants.org Sun Jul 16 01:18:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BED2E3B010B for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 01:18:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06784-01 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 01:18:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA01F3B0161 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 01:18:31 +0000 (UTC) To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: ping Message-Id: <20060716011831.AA01F3B0161@menubar.gnome.org> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 01:18:31 +0000 (UTC) From: jdub@perkypants.org X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.131 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-2.300, BAYES_40=-0.185, MSGID_FROM_MTA_ID=1.393, NO_REAL_NAME=0.961] X-Spam-Score: -0.131 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 01:18:51 -0000 ping From ross@golder.org Sun Jul 16 05:23:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 991A03B023E for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:23:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28215-04 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:23:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 866B03B0185 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:23:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9CD44BAF; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:23:21 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qnmoVn4Z6KF9; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:23:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from [172.16.2.40] (unknown [125.24.65.255]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05D944BAE; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:23:16 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Duplicate modules in SVN migration plan From: Ross Golder To: Kevin Kubasik In-Reply-To: <44B980E1.9020403@kubasik.net> References: <44B980E1.9020403@kubasik.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 12:22:26 +0700 Message-Id: <1153027363.7084.24.camel@rossg-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.531 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.068, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.531 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:23:24 -0000 On ส., 2006-07-15 at 19:57 -0400, Kevin Kubasik wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 > > I just noticed that beagle is scheduled to be migrated twice, once with > the first priority list, and once in the third. I don't know if it would > actually be detrimental if this happened, but to save time we should > probably check for any other duplicates. > http://www.gnome.org/~rossg/migration-priority-1.list > http://www.gnome.org/~rossg/migration-priority-2.list > http://www.gnome.org/~rossg/migration-priority-3.list Duplicates aren't a problem. The script ignores any it's already converted. -- Ross From ross@golder.org Sun Jul 16 05:24:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56F283B0182 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:24:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28230-07 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:24:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2730E3B013A for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:24:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CB8D4BAF; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:24:51 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TkilWK6d33z5; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:24:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from [172.16.2.40] (unknown [125.24.65.255]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA7734BAE; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:24:46 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Subversion migration in progress: CVS is now read-only From: Ross Golder To: Behdad Esfahbod In-Reply-To: <1153010054.23526.13.camel@home> References: <20060715000727.GE655@waugh.id.au> <1153010054.23526.13.camel@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 12:24:08 +0700 Message-Id: <1153027465.7084.27.camel@rossg-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.531 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.068, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.531 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:24:53 -0000 On ส., 2006-07-15 at 20:34 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > On Fri, 2006-07-14 at 20:07 -0400, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > Good morning, freedom lovers! > > > > The migration from CVS to Subversion has begun. As of 00:00 UTC, CVS is read > > only, and modules are being imported into the new Subversion repository. For > > more information about the Subversion migration, please read: > > > > http://live.gnome.org/Subversion > > > > You can track modules during migration at... http://svn.gnome.org/migration/ > > Can we get Pango migrated before Monday? I'll be in away for > conferences next week and expect to commit. > > Thanks > behdad > Migration's cancelled for now. You should be able to commit to CVS as before. -- Ross From ross@golder.org Sun Jul 16 05:25:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 000873B0182 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:25:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28229-07 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:25:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02D2F3B01B3 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:25:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 491A24BAF; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:25:53 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8OujsJLllDpw; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:25:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from [172.16.2.40] (unknown [125.24.65.255]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32D804BAE; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:25:48 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: More ping-a-lings From: Ross Golder To: Jeff Waugh In-Reply-To: <20060716004939.GB2821@waugh.id.au> References: <20060716004939.GB2821@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 12:25:11 +0700 Message-Id: <1153027528.7084.29.camel@rossg-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.532 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.067, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.532 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Infrastructure X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:25:55 -0000 On อา., 2006-07-16 at 10:49 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > Hey. Ping. Y'know? > Yeah, pong and all. -- Ross From olav@bkor.dhs.org Sun Jul 16 08:42:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 075D33B00CB for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:42:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01572-05 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:42:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from amsfep11-int.chello.nl (amsfep17-int.chello.nl [213.46.243.15]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D9D3B006E for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:42:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bkor.dhs.org ([24.132.164.94]) by amsfep11-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with ESMTP id <20060716083254.LLQL1153.amsfep11-int.chello.nl@bkor.dhs.org> for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:32:54 +0200 Received: by bkor.dhs.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id DB6B263A2C4; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:42:11 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:42:11 +0200 From: Olav Vitters To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Re: Duplicate modules in SVN migration plan Message-ID: <20060716084211.GB18187@bkor.dhs.org> References: <44B980E1.9020403@kubasik.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <44B980E1.9020403@kubasik.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.335 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.071, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.335 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:42:28 -0000 On Sat, Jul 15, 2006 at 07:57:21PM -0400, Kevin Kubasik wrote: > I just noticed that beagle is scheduled to be migrated twice, once with > the first priority list, and once in the third. I don't know if it would > actually be detrimental if this happened, but to save time we should > probably check for any other duplicates. Thanks for the heads up. This has already been thought of. Modules would not have been converted twice. -- Regards, Olav From mneptok@mneptok.com Sun Jul 16 08:50:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6B233B02E2 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:50:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01947-02 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:50:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from squishy.internetofdeath.com (squishy.internetofdeath.com [198.145.247.148]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83F303B023A for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:50:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from new-host.home (mneptok.com [64.26.155.12]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by squishy.internetofdeath.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF8262CC5CA; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 01:48:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: ping From: Kurt von Finck To: jdub@perkypants.org In-Reply-To: <20060716011831.AA01F3B0161@menubar.gnome.org> References: <20060716011831.AA01F3B0161@menubar.gnome.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 04:50:20 -0400 Message-Id: <1153039820.10117.5.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.464 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.464 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:50:29 -0000 On Sun, 2006-07-16 at 01:18 +0000, jdub@perkypants.org wrote: > ping pong? ./k kurt von finck -- http://www.mneptok.com mneptok@mneptok.com -- public key at: pgp.mit.edu server key id: 5229D26A -- Success is more a function of consistent common sense than it is of genius. - An Wang -- From jdub@waugh.id.au Sun Jul 16 10:53:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF8723B03A1 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:53:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07110-03 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:53:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33BE73B0393 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:53:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F92C3D992 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 20:53:44 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C89E33F3C; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 20:53:38 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 20:53:38 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: GNOME Infrastructure Subject: round-trip test Message-ID: <20060716105338.GD2821@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME Infrastructure MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Reply-By: Wed Jul 19 20:53:14 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 20:53:14 up 11 days, 14:10, 8 users, load average: 0.08, 0.03, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.441 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.023, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.441 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:53:46 -0000 It is not necessary to answer this mail. When it hits the list, I will receive it too... :-) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ No match for "LINUSWEARSTHEPANTS.ORG". From jdub@waugh.id.au Sun Jul 16 11:17:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60E2B3B0074 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:17:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09261-03 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:17:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B27C3B01B4 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:17:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0A463D998 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 21:17:31 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 713213F3C; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 21:17:28 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 21:17:28 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Re: round-trip test Message-ID: <20060716111728.GE2821@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org References: <20060716105338.GD2821@waugh.id.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060716105338.GD2821@waugh.id.au> Reply-By: Wed Jul 19 21:09:33 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 21:09:33 up 11 days, 14:26, 8 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.441 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.023, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.441 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:17:33 -0000 > It is not necessary to answer this mail. When it hits the list, I will > receive it too... :-) Ignoring the time between my laptop and my mail server (I use fetchmail, so it's going to be terribly inconsistent): Received: from node.waugh.id.au by menubar.gnome.org; 10:53:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org by node.waugh.id.au; 20:53:48 +1000 (EST) There's no significant clock skew between them. Let's call it at worst case, one second, and we around about a 5 second round-trip which *includes* going through Amavis. :-) (That's for a small list, though. But the latest round-trip times on the big lists are looking good too.) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ No pants is good pants. From olav@bkor.dhs.org Sun Jul 16 11:33:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 138943B0074 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:33:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09858-05 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:33:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from amsfep17-int.chello.nl (unknown [213.46.243.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 654283B01DD for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:33:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bkor.dhs.org ([24.132.164.94]) by amsfep13-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with ESMTP id <20060716113301.VKMP1849.amsfep13-int.chello.nl@bkor.dhs.org> for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 13:33:01 +0200 Received: by bkor.dhs.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id DA9B263A482; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 13:33:00 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 13:33:00 +0200 From: Olav Vitters To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Re: round-trip test Message-ID: <20060716113300.GC18187@bkor.dhs.org> References: <20060716105338.GD2821@waugh.id.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060716105338.GD2821@waugh.id.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.402 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.003, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.402 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:33:32 -0000 On Sun, Jul 16, 2006 at 08:53:38PM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > It is not necessary to answer this mail. When it hits the list, I will > receive it too... :-) But I want to test the roundtrip as well! -- Regards, Olav From qgil@desdeamericaconamor.org Tue Jul 4 02:52:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C9A33B0092 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 02:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06883-10 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 02:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from servidor.almenara.org (unknown [213.149.238.22]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 81FD53B000B for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 02:52:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29011 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2006 06:52:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.1.33]) (83.55.166.228) by 213.149.238.22 with SMTP; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 06:52:05 +0000 Subject: GNOME Infrastructure update From: Quim Gil To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-vAmU+KNGSnoeHLbQ3EqN" Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 08:52:04 +0200 Message-Id: <1151995924.5109.22.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.501 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=1.098, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -1.501 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 06:52:08 -0000 --=-vAmU+KNGSnoeHLbQ3EqN Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there, The GNOME Foundation board has received some offers for getting free servers and bandwidth for the GNOME infrastructure. In the line of stepping out of the way, delegate, let things get done, etc, we think the board role here is to set the initial contacts and then leave the details and the decisions to the Infrastructure team. These offers include server co-location out of RedHat, in the own infrastructures of each donor/host. We could probably get some more help from Advisory Board companies if we need it. These steps would imply the move to a more decentralized infrastructure. I am no sysadmin myself, nor I pretend to. All the planning and decisions to face this decentralization process need to come from the GNOME Infrastructure team, obviously. Hopefully I can help as a contact with the board and initial contact with potential donors/hosts. --=20 Quim Gil /// http://desdeamericaconamor.org | http://guadec.org --=-vAmU+KNGSnoeHLbQ3EqN Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEqhAUBEzHYk6x634RAhS4AJ4lhGxdEBQsJzjxhnXnr3wG/0gUgQCeP0E8 xuDkJR5ZP6rfrzCj4ahJqTo= =019R -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-vAmU+KNGSnoeHLbQ3EqN-- From ross@golder.org Tue Jul 4 05:03:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63B0B3B02CB for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 05:03:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15848-03 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 05:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E56CF3B01AA for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 05:03:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60EDF40DD; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 10:03:32 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ojZSWEtJ0ipo; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 10:03:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from red (unknown [125.24.92.184]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8101B40DB; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 10:03:26 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: GNOME Infrastructure update From: Ross Golder To: Quim Gil In-Reply-To: <1151995924.5109.22.camel@localhost> References: <1151995924.5109.22.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 16:03:16 +0700 Message-Id: <1152003797.10588.22.camel@red> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.515 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.084, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.515 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 09:03:37 -0000 On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 08:52 +0200, Quim Gil wrote: > Hi there, > > The GNOME Foundation board has received some offers for getting free > servers and bandwidth for the GNOME infrastructure. In the line of > stepping out of the way, delegate, let things get done, etc, we think > the board role here is to set the initial contacts and then leave the > details and the decisions to the Infrastructure team. > > These offers include server co-location out of RedHat, in the own > infrastructures of each donor/host. We could probably get some more help > from Advisory Board companies if we need it. These steps would imply the > move to a more decentralized infrastructure. > > I am no sysadmin myself, nor I pretend to. All the planning and > decisions to face this decentralization process need to come from the > GNOME Infrastructure team, obviously. Hopefully I can help as a contact > with the board and initial contact with potential donors/hosts. > Co-incidentally enough, we have just started a discussion about this on the internal gnome-sysadmin team. We are aware of a very attractive offer of servers and hosting from one other donor, and were discussing the advantages that they are able to offer us over our existing arrangements. I am in contact with them directly already. I'm not sure yet what information/offers I can make public, but I'll pass on the details here when I know I can :) There are a few small issues we will need to discuss and agree on internally within the sysadmin team first, such as the ifs, whos, hows and whens, etc. I'll then draft up some kind of 'master plan and schedule' and post it for review here on 'gnome-infrastructure' (copied to 'board-list'). If you have any other information to add, such as new/other donors interested in offering servers or hosting, please forward the details on to the team ('gnome-sysadmin@gnome.org') so we can contact them directly and factor their offers into our discussions and decisions. Thanks, -- Ross From qgil@desdeamericaconamor.org Tue Jul 4 05:27:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A437D3B0199 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 05:27:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17269-09 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 05:27:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from servidor.almenara.org (unknown [213.149.238.22]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 468D23B012E for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 05:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14609 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2006 09:27:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.1.33]) (83.55.166.228) by 213.149.238.22 with SMTP; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 09:27:12 +0000 Subject: Re: GNOME Infrastructure update From: Quim Gil To: Ross Golder In-Reply-To: <1152003797.10588.22.camel@red> References: <1151995924.5109.22.camel@localhost> <1152003797.10588.22.camel@red> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-S0+rbrNOzBhtVtApTThm" Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 11:27:11 +0200 Message-Id: <1152005232.5109.99.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.536 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=1.063, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -1.536 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 09:27:16 -0000 --=-S0+rbrNOzBhtVtApTThm Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 16:03 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > I'm not sure > yet what information/offers I can make public, but I'll pass on the > details here when I know I can :) Maybe we could link a page from http://live.gnome.org/Sysadmin/Servers listing the current offers and servers underway. Those with unclear privacy could be referred using alias i.e. "4 small boxes" or "host donor". This way we would share a map of current and potential donors. --=20 Quim Gil /// http://desdeamericaconamor.org | http://guadec.org --=-S0+rbrNOzBhtVtApTThm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEqjRvBEzHYk6x634RAkmcAJ4uv/zJV9Pkg1ZyZZom8gqUPnygYACfbDPS jrAwwGGVQLX2Xq21q55jzyw= =U1TG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-S0+rbrNOzBhtVtApTThm-- From ross@golder.org Tue Jul 4 05:33:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFB953B0106 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 05:33:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17822-02 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 05:33:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FE663B0204 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 05:33:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 576F740DD; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 10:33:07 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tXtd+ZEOR5LN; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 10:33:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from red (unknown [125.24.92.184]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A719040DB; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 10:33:03 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: GNOME Infrastructure update From: Ross Golder To: Quim Gil In-Reply-To: <1152005232.5109.99.camel@localhost> References: <1151995924.5109.22.camel@localhost> <1152003797.10588.22.camel@red> <1152005232.5109.99.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 16:32:56 +0700 Message-Id: <1152005576.10728.3.camel@red> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.519 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.080, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.519 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 09:33:10 -0000 On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 11:27 +0200, Quim Gil wrote: > On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 16:03 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > I'm not sure > > yet what information/offers I can make public, but I'll pass on the > > details here when I know I can :) > > Maybe we could link a page from http://live.gnome.org/Sysadmin/Servers > listing the current offers and servers underway. Those with unclear > privacy could be referred using alias i.e. "4 small boxes" or "host > donor". > > This way we would share a map of current and potential donors. > Sounds like a good plan to me. I can't see it'd be a problem to publicise any offers we get. I'll check first though. -- Ross From otaylor@redhat.com Tue Jul 4 11:34:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58E223B01CC for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 11:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10740-04 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 11:33:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0597A3B0115 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 11:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k64FXvU1006453; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 11:33:57 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k64FXvqQ002713; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 11:33:57 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k64FXuD6008141; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 11:33:57 -0400 Subject: Re: GNOME Infrastructure update From: Owen Taylor To: Quim Gil In-Reply-To: <1152005232.5109.99.camel@localhost> References: <1151995924.5109.22.camel@localhost> <1152003797.10588.22.camel@red> <1152005232.5109.99.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 08:33:59 -0400 Message-Id: <1152016440.14779.160.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 (2.6.1-1.fc5.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.422 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.044, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.422 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 15:34:00 -0000 On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 11:27 +0200, Quim Gil wrote: > On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 16:03 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > I'm not sure > > yet what information/offers I can make public, but I'll pass on the > > details here when I know I can :) > > Maybe we could link a page from http://live.gnome.org/Sysadmin/Servers > listing the current offers and servers underway. Those with unclear > privacy could be referred using alias i.e. "4 small boxes" or "host > donor". > > This way we would share a map of current and potential donors. I think it would be much better to have a real discussion in private than an obfusticated and unclear discussion in public. It would be a mistake to make major decisions without having concrete full proposals on the table, and I doubt potential hosting donors would want that discussion going on in public. Owen From qgil@desdeamericaconamor.org Wed Jul 5 01:52:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCB413B00DD for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 01:52:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17980-03 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 01:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from servidor.almenara.org (unknown [213.149.238.22]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9BDAB3B0087 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 01:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 6217 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jul 2006 05:52:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.1.33]) (83.55.173.66) by 213.149.238.22 with SMTP; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 05:52:45 +0000 Subject: Re: GNOME Infrastructure update From: Quim Gil To: Owen Taylor In-Reply-To: <1152016440.14779.160.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1151995924.5109.22.camel@localhost> <1152003797.10588.22.camel@red> <1152005232.5109.99.camel@localhost> <1152016440.14779.160.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-kNhMFgwMcxYSiD0jFUQj" Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 07:52:44 +0200 Message-Id: <1152078764.5143.39.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.561 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=1.038, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -1.561 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 05:52:49 -0000 --=-kNhMFgwMcxYSiD0jFUQj Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 08:33 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: > I think it would be much better to have a real discussion in private > than an obfusticated and unclear discussion in public. It will definitely help. Are you thinking about email, phone call...? Suggest and we will follow. We are probably in a point in which we could solve our Infrastructure weaknesses, since there seems to be a context of organizations willing to help. There are many sub-discussions, though, that create dependencies between them. We should avoid the fish eating its tail. - We need to know what are the current needs and weaknesses of the GNOME infrastructure in order to know if we need more help, and which kind of help. We have been hearing the "We need more servers" claim for months, but we should move forward into a more specific statement. This is something the GNOME Infrastructure team can discuss by its own, and you decide what bits of the discussion need to be open and private. - If it's still true that we still need more resources, we need to know which are the requirements or conditions of the GNOME Infrastructure team in order to get efficient help. Some potential donors will be happy offering a server to be placed in the RedHat racks. Some potential donors will be happy co-locating a server in their own hosting infrastructure. We might find other combinations and we need to know in which cases we want to collaborate. This discussion is half the fish. - The other half of the fish is the negotiation with potential donors. To me it's not that good to start negotiations without having a clear idea of the previous points. For instance, if Serious Company X is offering us top quality hosting in their own server infrastructure we need to know if we consider useful to have resources out of the current infrastructure at RedHat or not. Having a more detailed policy about hardware requirements or permission levels or whatever you think appropriate to define would be also helpful. --=20 Quim Gil /// http://desdeamericaconamor.org | http://guadec.org --=-kNhMFgwMcxYSiD0jFUQj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEq1OsBEzHYk6x634RAk90AKCrhczJQq3oFERTzW62vllfG05EfwCffteK Un3/IqZ0qDqsc+G4Xqq0s9c= =XPQQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-kNhMFgwMcxYSiD0jFUQj-- From otaylor@redhat.com Wed Jul 5 08:10:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32C993B014A for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 08:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08905-10 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 08:10:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0CF03B00E8 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 08:10:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k65CAIZR023703; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 08:10:18 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k65CAI3U011349; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 08:10:18 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k65CAH20001123; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 08:10:17 -0400 Subject: Re: GNOME Infrastructure update From: Owen Taylor To: Quim Gil In-Reply-To: <1152078764.5143.39.camel@localhost> References: <1151995924.5109.22.camel@localhost> <1152003797.10588.22.camel@red> <1152005232.5109.99.camel@localhost> <1152016440.14779.160.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1152078764.5143.39.camel@localhost> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-jFD+e+zYcs46CUZ3n4jr" Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 05:10:16 -0400 Message-Id: <1152090616.14779.167.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 (2.6.1-1.fc5.2) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.183 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.195, BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=0.478, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.183 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 12:10:23 -0000 --=-jFD+e+zYcs46CUZ3n4jr Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2006-07-05 at 07:52 +0200, Quim Gil wrote: >=20 > On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 08:33 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: >=20 > > I think it would be much better to have a real discussion in private > > than an obfusticated and unclear discussion in public. >=20 > It will definitely help. Are you thinking about email, phone call...? Well, for the short term, I was mostly suggesting that this conversation could be better held on private mailing lists (gnome-sysadmin / board-list) rather than here on gnome-infrastructure. I don't think it's possible to hold this conversation in public and be sufficiently clear. At some point it might make sense to invite Ross to one of the GNOME Board conference calls, but that seems premature at this point; as you say, there are lots of confused intertwined strands of conversation. - Owen --=-jFD+e+zYcs46CUZ3n4jr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEq4H4S+2LB0B90LERAq+EAKCdie4muIGWQMh8nf8WQBAWe7GMRwCfSzmZ EWnOT2wuCjKQQe38slrUCnc= =TPD2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-jFD+e+zYcs46CUZ3n4jr-- From qub333@gmail.com Thu Jul 6 07:58:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D4783B021E for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 07:58:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21926-04 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 07:57:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.205]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF29C3B034E for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 07:57:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id t5so2375204wxc for ; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 04:57:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.44.18 with SMTP id r18mr10677220wxr; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 04:57:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.109? ( [69.140.109.194]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id h11sm5941911wxd.2006.07.06.04.57.55; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 04:57:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <44ACFAC2.20507@kubasik.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 07:57:54 -0400 From: Kevin Kubasik User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060705) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Mail archives giving a 404 when searched X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 OpenPGP: id=43337DF4; url=http://kubasik.net/KevinKubasik.asc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: Kevin Kubasik X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.327 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.073, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.327 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 11:58:00 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 I dunno if this was already known, or if it was an outstanding bug, go to an active mailing list archive like http://mail.gnome.org/archives/dashboard-hackers/ and type in a search term, you'll get a Not Found message. Seemed like this was more infrastructures territory than the web team, so I thought I'd go here first. If its there thing, I can file a bug. - -- Cheers, Kevin Kubasik 240-838-6616 http://kubasik.net/blog -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iQIVAwUBRKz6wv3xZFNDM330AQixkxAAluJvMvdW4lbDkBE25FhaEpaOgFEIbneR kehaab5ll/41sKSKDEmYhuG1kxgDHKYmhOCninM9i1wPJ6raXsdsDcAaTl+c9TTO SroXzm2R8ngRHN5l9c9tLmoXWyYQmYlQ/rEvIf0GXGZGDh5q7+Onx2QTUkD0GFwY tIUH575za3awil20NM4MpvnHuz85/QcllPdEunAbiWg4UNLjNrpHiWUjQRYmWq8i BYB/rQ/7W2dD8Jef8nfgyIfal2JLqNADvbd1yL1dQBj1dcdruB6OLMCrxgNAFzK6 pR4mzcxT8FDON0oWCc23BtDROR8ZfLbgGmzXNeqxX0FBCNtWt+We1wmlQxLPlMCg bjJZtOGBEFz2+rvMjhxtgmqid2k3V23kU0L1S7IpCpZfFdSM2o+6qhreK9f9jVNI dQYfLUpbYb0mxnMgTzB/3/HtTTp29hgnjvSSXOSRPVRPKOiskol2X2rt03ZI6smy 3pG5YEPzJuY4Bf6t3oxo57VNhdHZvQMemsXxoMwxpxo/NqKxQZ/gqa8KMh5LGI6d EQQB11lKi9J6ZnZ0saryDo7fNTn/CxOLeDiuXSn1lBJyq4+cw4J7KMCNcOVwfUYA iIDhBF77aYFe1ZYsNu3ane2nzaxvKEVZPdnwhXA3hua/v7C3eZUbtuMpYfTNlwl8 zx7yC5aH4H8= =ttra -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gpastore@gnome.org Thu Jul 6 10:07:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53B8A3B00EA for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 10:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31412-08 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 10:07:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bundure.hst.terra.com.br (bundure.hst.terra.com.br [200.176.10.195]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C09B53B0123 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 10:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ladigue.hst.terra.com.br (ladigue.hst.terra.com.br [200.176.10.10]) by bundure.hst.terra.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 100EB9A0369 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 11:07:19 -0300 (BRT) X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: d5c325b9779ab8e5db6259283ca87d33 Received-SPF: none (ladigue.hst.terra.com.br: 200.176.10.10 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of gnome.org) client-ip=200.176.10.10; envelope-from=gpastore@gnome.org; helo=[192.168.1.3]; Received: from [192.168.1.3] (unknown [201.52.45.156]) (authenticated user guilherme.pastore) by ladigue.hst.terra.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE2B51594114 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 11:07:18 -0300 (BRT) Subject: Re: Mail archives giving a 404 when searched From: "Guilherme de S. Pastore" To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <44ACFAC2.20507@kubasik.net> References: <44ACFAC2.20507@kubasik.net> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 11:07:17 -0300 Message-Id: <1152194837.9903.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.555 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.044, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.555 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 14:07:22 -0000 Il giorno gio, 06/07/2006 alle 07.57 -0400, Kevin Kubasik ha scritto: > I dunno if this was already known Yes, it is a known issue, there is a RT ticket for it, and it is being worked on. Thanks anyway. Yours, Guilherme de S. Pastore The GNOME Sysadmin Team From jdub@waugh.id.au Fri Jul 7 03:14:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DFB13B013A for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 03:14:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25436-04 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 03:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9BA63B00B8 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 03:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 583773C75B; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 17:13:43 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 84BC04158; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 17:13:37 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 17:13:37 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: Matthew Galgoci Subject: Firewall modification request Message-ID: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: Matthew Galgoci , GNOME Infrastructure MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Reply-By: Mon Jul 10 17:09:37 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 17:09:37 up 2 days, 10:27, 7 users, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.02 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.447 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.447 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Infrastructure X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 07:14:11 -0000 Hi Matthew, Could you please open the following ports to label.gnome.org: 5222/tcp 5223/tcp 5269/tcp Thanks, - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ From ross@golder.org Fri Jul 7 07:15:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73F603B015F for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 07:15:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10411-01 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 07:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D7733B04B4 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 07:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 313014BA5; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 12:15:14 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kJ+yv5PSspJW; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 12:15:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from red (unknown [125.24.68.166]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F9BB4BA4; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 12:15:08 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Firewall modification request From: Ross Golder To: Jeff Waugh In-Reply-To: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> References: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 18:14:59 +0700 Message-Id: <1152270899.9439.0.camel@red> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.53 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.069, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.53 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Infrastructure , Matthew Galgoci X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 11:15:20 -0000 On Fri, 2006-07-07 at 17:13 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > Hi Matthew, > > Could you please open the following ports to label.gnome.org: > > 5222/tcp > 5223/tcp > 5269/tcp > > Thanks, Here's the inevitable question - 'What're they for?' :) -- Ross From jdub@waugh.id.au Fri Jul 7 09:45:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E6E83B01A0 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 09:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21478-02 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 09:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C36FE3B04E4 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 09:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 773B13C257; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 23:45:29 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2D1EE4158; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 23:45:23 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 23:45:23 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: Ross Golder Subject: Re: Firewall modification request Message-ID: <20060707134523.GL655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: Ross Golder , Matthew Galgoci , GNOME Infrastructure References: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> <1152270899.9439.0.camel@red> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1152270899.9439.0.camel@red> Reply-By: Mon Jul 10 23:43:25 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 23:43:25 up 2 days, 17:00, 7 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.447 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.447 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Infrastructure , Matthew Galgoci X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 13:45:36 -0000 > > 5222/tcp > > 5223/tcp > > 5269/tcp > > Here's the inevitable question - 'What're they for?' :) The ports are kinda obvious ;-) I need them open so I can actually test it sanely, but it's going to require more work before it can go live for real. The service will be for Foundation members only at this stage. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "And if you think this fucking little tub of gold popcorn is going to remotely make up for everything we've suffered, you're sadly fucking mistaken!" - Gollum From jdub@waugh.id.au Fri Jul 7 10:56:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CBC43B0383 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27409-08 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 596913B03E7 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id C107E3C75C for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2006 00:56:54 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 54A2A4158; Sat, 8 Jul 2006 00:56:48 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 00:56:48 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: GNOME Infrastructure Subject: Re: Firewall modification request Message-ID: <20060707145648.GO655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME Infrastructure References: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Reply-By: Tue Jul 11 00:55:59 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 00:55:59 up 2 days, 18:13, 7 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.447 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.447 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 14:56:58 -0000 > Easy enough, just what are they for in case I'm asked? (Replied off-list.) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "Women are too irrational to be crazed killers anyway." - Angus Lees From jdub@waugh.id.au Fri Jul 7 18:40:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 161933B00F6 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 18:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25320-07 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 18:40:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B0483B016E for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 18:40:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 296DC3C72E; Sat, 8 Jul 2006 08:40:11 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4575B415B; Sat, 8 Jul 2006 08:40:07 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 08:40:07 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: Matthew Galgoci , GNOME Infrastructure Subject: Re: Firewall modification request Message-ID: <20060707224007.GY655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: Matthew Galgoci , GNOME Infrastructure References: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> Reply-By: Tue Jul 11 08:39:52 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 08:39:52 up 3 days, 1:57, 8 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.447 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.447 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 22:40:15 -0000 > Could you please open the following ports to label.gnome.org: Thanks, mysterious console messenger. ;-) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "You know, like nunchuck skills, bowhunting skills, computer hacking skills... Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills." - Napoleon Dynamite From guilherme.pastore@terra.com.br Fri Jul 7 18:58:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D3333B0266 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 18:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26230-09 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 18:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bulimba.hst.terra.com.br (bulimba.hst.terra.com.br [200.176.10.194]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16BDE3B00EB for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 18:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from calana.hst.terra.com.br (calana.hst.terra.com.br [200.176.10.6]) by bulimba.hst.terra.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id E11E6130C0A9 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 19:58:38 -0300 (BRT) X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 63aafe514043fda6dc66cd180d57d13e Received-SPF: pass (calana.hst.terra.com.br: domain of terra.com.br designates 200.176.10.6 as permitted sender) client-ip=200.176.10.6; envelope-from=guilherme.pastore@terra.com.br; helo=[192.168.1.3]; Received: from [192.168.1.3] (unknown [201.52.45.156]) (authenticated user guilherme.pastore) by calana.hst.terra.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3D79450081 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 19:58:38 -0300 (BRT) Subject: Re: Firewall modification request From: "Guilherme de S. Pastore" To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20060707224007.GY655@waugh.id.au> References: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> <20060707224007.GY655@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 19:58:37 -0300 Message-Id: <1152313117.9124.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.084 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.392, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.084 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 22:58:41 -0000 Il giorno sab, 08/07/2006 alle 08.40 +1000, Jeff Waugh ha scritto: > > > > Could you please open the following ports to label.gnome.org: > > Thanks, mysterious console messenger. ;-) I want a mysterious console message telling me container's 3690 has been opened! Please, please, please! From ross@golder.org Sun Jul 9 07:52:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B968E3B013F; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 07:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10077-03; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 07:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 510943B00D9; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 07:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87EFE4BA5; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 12:36:49 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OUPkuuujUZzH; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 12:36:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from red (unknown [125.24.66.135]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19BF64BA4; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 12:36:39 +0100 (BST) Subject: Subversion migration recap (cut-off Friday July 14th) From: Ross Golder To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 18:36:27 +0700 Message-Id: <1152444988.9101.16.camel@red> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.493 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.029, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.493 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Infrastructure , foundation-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 11:52:28 -0000 Hi guys, I hope you have all recovered from GUADEC. As you have all probably long forgotten by now, we are scheduled to migrate the GNOME CVS repository to Subversion next weekend. Friday night at 23:59UTC to be precise. That means that the migration will probably be under way this time next week. Here's an update on the status of the main issues. Archive history issues ---------------------- Unfortunately, during it's lifetime the GNOME CVS server has suffered several accidental clock resets (to a point in 1997). The timestamps listed in some of the CVS ',v' files are not always correct and in chronological order. This led to some problems high-lighted by James Henstridge: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-infrastructure/2006-February/msg00059.html Despite lengthy discussions with Michael Haggerty, the current maintainer of cvs2svn, and several patches attempting to work around the problem, it seems that it is unlikely that we'll be able to eliminate the problem entirely - only use the patches we've developed to alleviate the problem in the many cases. The most recent few mail exchanges on the subject are archived here: http://cvs2svn.tigris.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=dev&by=date&from=2006-07-01&to=2006-07-31&first=1&count=4 At any rate, we will not be able to rely on the subversion archive to recreate historical versions. To a certain extent, we can't really rely on the CVS archive either, as various 'CVS surgery' operations will have taken place over the years, in addition to the clockskew problems. However, I will make sure the CVS archives stay on-line in read-only/anonymous mode indefinitely in order to keep that history publicly available as it was at the time of the cut-off. The thing to remember is that this issue will only affect a small minority of the GNOME modules - the majority, esp newer modules, won't suffer this problem and you should still be able to retrieve reasonably faithful historical checkouts from either system in most cases. Migration order --------------- One downside will be that to migrate the entire CVS repository is that we have a *lot* of history. Current indications are that - worse case scenario - it could take the best part of a month to complete. Obviously, lots of hackers aren't going to want to wait this long before they can continue making commits to their module. So this is how I'm thinking of determining the migration order. We have three 'priority' lists, and then the rest. The first priority list will contain a list of any modules developers specifically request are treated as priority, as they expect to be working with them within hours/days of the migration cut-off (send your requests to me off the list now). The second priority list will contain a list of other modules we consider relatively urgent, such as the 'www.gnome.org' website in case we decide to change anything about of homepage. The third priority list is compiled from a list of the most active modules from the last year in activity order (compiled from a query on 'bonsai-svn' from a fairly recent test migration). Then, the whole list of modules is processed for any not handled above. This can be seen in the migration script 'create-svnrepos.sh', which is linked to and explained here: http://live.gnome.org/Subversion Obviously, at 23:59UTC the whole CVS archive will become read-only. As each CVS module is being migrated to a Subversion repository, it will be available read-only (for checkout and in viewcvs). When each module's subversion repository has been successfully migrated, the repository perms will reset so GNOME developers can proceed to make commits. As each module gets migrated, an '.out' file will be generated containing the output of the cvs2svn run (for the curious). These can be quite big sometimes, so the last few lines (containing the migration statistics) will be directed into a '.tail' file and the whole output file is bzip2'ed down. You should be able to see this happening here for the running test migration here: http://svn.gnome.org/migration/ As you can see from the date-stamps, the recent test migration is currently only migrating 25-30 reasonable sized modules a day. We currently have over 860 modules, so it could be about a month before all the modules have been migrated and are ready. I think I can get this time down with a few changes to the script to make better use of SMP etc, but the bottleneck will probably become I/O. Good thing we weren't thinking about creating a monolithic repository, eh?! :) Now would be an ideal opportunity to let us know about any old CVS modules you know about that are redundant, so we can put them out of the way in the Attic before the migration. Shouldn't we be cancelling or postponing the migration again? ------------------------------------------------------------- I don't believe the history problems warrant us postponing or cancelling the migration (again). If we do, it is unlikely that these problems will ever be solved and we will probably be stuck with CVS until the cows come home. We must move forward. However, I expect there will be some who feel may feel a bit edgy about the migration. So, unless I hear otherwise, either from the board or if a significant number of people raise objections in the next week (or both), the migration will begin as scheduled next weekend, using our current best-effort clock-skew alleviation patches. I will obviously continue to do everything I can to ensure that all the angles are covered and that the actual migration goes as smoothly and efficiently as possible. More information ---------------- Anything else I have thought of and/or covered should be written up here: http://live.gnome.org/Subversion Please send questions or comments to 'gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org', or drop by on irc.gnome.org/#sysadmin. Thanks. -- Ross From murrayc@murrayc.com Sun Jul 9 08:39:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE5FC3B008D for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 08:39:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10917-07 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 08:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from swarthymail-a3.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-61.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.61]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A71443B0007 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 08:39:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from noname (p5497D055.dip.t-dialin.net [84.151.208.85]) by swarthymail-a3.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D605C7F019; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 05:37:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: www.gtkmm.org hosting From: Murray Cumming To: Ross Golder In-Reply-To: <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> References: <1143130036.6942.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143130109.6942.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143209101.12253.18.camel@yellow> <1143209712.5969.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144063086.6062.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1145376467.17987.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149102258.5720.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149106990.5720.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149168356.5197.5.camel@green> <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 14:37:51 +0200 Message-Id: <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.401 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.044, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_GT=0.077, TW_TK=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.401 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 12:39:31 -0000 On Sat, 2006-06-24 at 21:47 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 21:17 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > > On Thu, 2006-06-22 at 10:53 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > > OK, I've relaxed your homedir perms to 701, set up the virtualhost > > > (window:/etc/httpd/sites.d/gtkmm.org.conf) and restarted apache. > > > > > > Add '209.132.176.176 www.gtkmm.org' to your /etc/hosts and you should be > > > able to test it with your browser. I'd test it myself, but my ISP uses a > > > bloody annoying transparent caching/proxy, so I'd have to fiddle about > > > with VPNs or my own proxy to test it myself from here and I'm in a rush > > > atm. Sorry. > > > > That works, though SSI is not turned on. > > > > Sorry, my fault. An egregious typo in the Apache conf. Try again. Thanks. That seems to work now. Would this be the final location for the website files? Without wanting to appear at all ungrateful for your own hard work, it seems like we might not have the sysadmin resources to really support extra web sites. For instance, I'm not convinced that everything is documented enough that I wouldn't have to wait a few weeks to have the website restored in the event of another server hack/failure. Am I wrong about this? I might decide to use my own hosting account for this, though I'm afraid of how much bandwidth it could cost me, and other gtkmm developers would probably prefer not to depend on me either. -- Murray Cumming murrayc@murrayc.com www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com From ross@golder.org Sun Jul 9 09:19:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DD583B0080 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 09:19:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12942-03 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 09:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 916023B006C for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 09:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3F7D4BA5; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 13:55:06 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A5PI9hoPubWX; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 13:55:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from red (unknown [125.24.66.135]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC0CA4BA4; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 13:55:00 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: www.gtkmm.org hosting From: Ross Golder To: Murray Cumming In-Reply-To: <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1143130036.6942.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143130109.6942.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143209101.12253.18.camel@yellow> <1143209712.5969.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144063086.6062.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1145376467.17987.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149102258.5720.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149106990.5720.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149168356.5197.5.camel@green> <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 19:54:49 +0700 Message-Id: <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.455 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.010, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_GT=0.077, TW_TK=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.455 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 13:19:36 -0000 On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 14:37 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > On Sat, 2006-06-24 at 21:47 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 21:17 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > > > On Thu, 2006-06-22 at 10:53 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > > > OK, I've relaxed your homedir perms to 701, set up the virtualhost > > > > (window:/etc/httpd/sites.d/gtkmm.org.conf) and restarted apache. > > > > > > > > Add '209.132.176.176 www.gtkmm.org' to your /etc/hosts and you should be > > > > able to test it with your browser. I'd test it myself, but my ISP uses a > > > > bloody annoying transparent caching/proxy, so I'd have to fiddle about > > > > with VPNs or my own proxy to test it myself from here and I'm in a rush > > > > atm. Sorry. > > > > > > That works, though SSI is not turned on. > > > > > > > Sorry, my fault. An egregious typo in the Apache conf. Try again. > > Thanks. That seems to work now. > > Would this be the final location for the website files? > I was going to set up a mechanism to auto-update the site from CVS, as we have for several other sites. I was putting this off because we are planning to move to Subversion shortly, so I didn't want to have to do the job twice, iyswim. Please feel free to send a reminder about this to 'support@gnome.org' so a ticket gets set up and assigned to me so I don't forget, and I'll try to complete this when things are ready and I have a few moments. > Without wanting to appear at all ungrateful for your own hard work, it > seems like we might not have the sysadmin resources to really support > extra web sites. For instance, I'm not convinced that everything is > documented enough that I wouldn't have to wait a few weeks to have the > website restored in the event of another server hack/failure. Am I wrong > about this? > No, you're quite right - we're not quite SourceForge ;) Currently, we have a small team of volunteer sysadmins, who would rather concentrate on keeping the core GNOME services up and running than try to manage all the requests involved in maintaining a-hundred-and-one different projects domains names, websites and mailing lists. We do offer these services to those that need them and will always do our best to do as professional a job as possible (as can be expected for spare-time volunteer sysadmins). We obviously can't provide guarantees and service level agreements. > I might decide to use my own hosting account for this, though I'm afraid > of how much bandwidth it could cost me, and other gtkmm developers would > probably prefer not to depend on me either. > This is entirely your decision to make, depending on the needs of your project and the resources available to it. Given the choice between paid-for hosting (with an SLA, support contract etc) and free web hosting on the GNOME servers, I know which I'd choose ;^) -- Ross From mgalgoci@redhat.com Fri Jul 7 10:36:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45DC13B0284 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25868-06 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A27AB3B02A7 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k67EaoCB003501; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:36:50 -0400 Received: from acis.rdu.redhat.com (acis.rdu.redhat.com [10.11.255.3]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k67EanDw025329; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:36:49 -0400 Received: from acis.rdu.redhat.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by acis.rdu.redhat.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k67Ean8D010308; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:36:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (mgalgoci@localhost) by acis.rdu.redhat.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id k67EanBx010302; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:36:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: acis.rdu.redhat.com: mgalgoci owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:36:49 -0400 From: Matthew Galgoci X-X-Sender: mgalgoci@acis.rdu.redhat.com To: Jeff Waugh Subject: Re: Firewall modification request In-Reply-To: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> Message-ID: References: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 05:19:06 -0400 Cc: GNOME Infrastructure X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 14:36:58 -0000 > Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 17:13:37 +1000 > From: Jeff Waugh > To: Matthew Galgoci > Cc: GNOME Infrastructure > Subject: Firewall modification request > > Hi Matthew, > > Could you please open the following ports to label.gnome.org: > > 5222/tcp > 5223/tcp > 5269/tcp Easy enough, just what are they for in case I'm asked? -- Matthew Galgoci IS Production Operations Red Hat, Inc 919.754.3700 x44155 From murrayc@murrayc.com Mon Jul 10 05:23:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A18A53B0098 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 05:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24177-02 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 05:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail3.sd.dreamhost.com (webmail3.sd.dreamhost.com [64.111.100.15]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA5373B00C6 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 05:23:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail.murrayc.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webmail3.sd.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3775F14122; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 01:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 194.138.18.132 (proxying for unknown) (SquirrelMail authenticated user murrayc@murrayc.com) by webmail.murrayc.com with HTTP; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:28:15 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <23981.194.138.18.132.1152520095.squirrel@webmail.murrayc.com> In-Reply-To: <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> References: <1143130036.6942.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143130109.6942.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143209101.12253.18.camel@yellow> <1143209712.5969.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144063086.6062.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1145376467.17987.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149102258.5720.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149106990.5720.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149168356.5197.5.camel@green> <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:28:15 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: www.gtkmm.org hosting From: "Murray Cumming" To: "Quim Gil" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.519 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.003, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.519 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:23:29 -0000 > > On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 14:37 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > >> > seems like we might not have the sysadmin resources to really support >> > extra web sites. > > GNOME projects are not extra web sites, really. We should find a balance > between project websites requirements and sysadmin realistic resources. > > Murray, it would be great if you could start a list of requirements > based on your own needs for gtkmm.org. Then we can improve these > requirements checking with other GNOME projects, and after that we > "negotiate" with the sysadmins what can we really offer. gtkmm.org is probably the simplest web site possible, because I like to keep things simple, and I wanted to be able to easily move the site to a different host. It's just HTML with SSI, with no interactivity. If gtkmm.org uses the same system as www.gnome.org - svn/cvs checkout at the moment, then I'll be reasonably happy about it, and I can move it away again fairly quickly if necessary. I think I'm being too cautious. So, I'll happily wait for the svn transition and try hosting gtkmm.org on the GNOME servers. > With this we get a official and documented offer to GNOME projects. > Those happy with it can come and be served. Those with special needs can > try to increase the requirements accepted or go elsewhere. > > None of this solves your problem now, it will be helpful in the future > though. Feel free to suggest a timeline for the planning process at > http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/DevelopmentTimeline Murray Cumming murrayc@murrayc.com www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com From ross@golder.org Mon Jul 10 13:02:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99D013B01B2 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:02:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06476-05 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 729EE3B018E for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E8634BA4; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:05:45 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iZm4+SSHqUup; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:05:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from red (unknown [125.24.65.168]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 662D94BA5; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:05:36 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: www.gtkmm.org hosting From: Ross Golder To: Quim Gil In-Reply-To: <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> References: <1143130036.6942.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143130109.6942.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143209101.12253.18.camel@yellow> <1143209712.5969.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144063086.6062.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1145376467.17987.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149102258.5720.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149106990.5720.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149168356.5197.5.camel@green> <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 22:05:25 +0700 Message-Id: <1152543926.9094.30.camel@red> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.538 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.061, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.538 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 17:02:53 -0000 On Mon, 2006-07-10 at 10:23 +0200, Quim Gil wrote: > On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 14:37 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > > > > seems like we might not have the sysadmin resources to really support > > > extra web sites. > > GNOME projects are not extra web sites, really. We should find a balance > between project websites requirements and sysadmin realistic resources. > > Murray, it would be great if you could start a list of requirements > based on your own needs for gtkmm.org. Then we can improve these > requirements checking with other GNOME projects, and after that we > "negotiate" with the sysadmins what can we really offer. > > With this we get a official and documented offer to GNOME projects. > Those happy with it can come and be served. Those with special needs can > try to increase the requirements accepted or go elsewhere. > I have been considering starting (another) internal thread on how we can widen the GNOME sysadmin team some more. We made a request for sysadmin volunteers a couple of years ago, and got a good response, but unfortunately we turned most of them down and only took up a few of them on their offers, as we only needed a few more pairs of hands at the time. Now we have a small influx of new hardware and hosting offers, we are going to need to make sure they don't sit idle waiting for us to get round to them. I think we are going to need to consider taking on a few more worthy volunteers into the team to help prepare and execute any plans we will be drawing up and help maintain a certain level of service etc. Anyway, what with the subversion migration and other (non-GNOME) work, I'll be a bit busy for the next few weeks, but hopefully by the time that settles, Murray (and anyone else with an opinion) should have started setting some of the expectations and we can begin to discuss how to meet them ;) I look forward to seeing them. -- Ross From jdub@waugh.id.au Mon Jul 10 21:28:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4AE03B0253 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22316-02 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:28:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 531DB3B0215 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:28:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A2AB3C36E for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 06:27:27 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DB2A840DD; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 06:27:14 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 06:27:14 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Widen the team? [was: www.gtkmm.org hosting] Message-ID: <20060710202714.GO655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org References: <1149106990.5720.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149168356.5197.5.camel@green> <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> <1152543926.9094.30.camel@red> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1152543926.9094.30.camel@red> Reply-By: Fri Jul 14 05:51:58 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 05:51:58 up 5 days, 23:09, 9 users, load average: 0.03, 0.04, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.447 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.447 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 01:28:28 -0000 > I have been considering starting (another) internal thread on how we can > widen the GNOME sysadmin team some more. Sorry to be characteristically blunt, but we don't need more people - that would just complicate matters more - what we do need is more attentive and more professional people. I have been surprised and dismayed at the recent issues we've been having and the actions taken to paper over or dodge them rather than actually fix them. Our machines have always been in a somewhat mediocre state, but the current churn and reactive approach to improvement is taking its toll. Now, this is not all gar... It's been obvious over the past month that I have been paying much more attention to sysadmin issues. So I'm not idly complaining - I intend to spend more time on it. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ If Perl is gaffer, and Python is Magic Tape, then Ruby is self-adhesive plate gold. From behdad.esfahbod@gmail.com Tue Jul 11 15:56:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECABA3B024D for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:56:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02641-09 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.231]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42ADD3B0173 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i11so1965060wra for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.150.19 with SMTP id x19mr5334277wrd; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:03:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.190.5? ( [72.136.156.47]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 24sm2630956wrl.2006.07.11.10.03.49; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:03:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Subversion migration recap (cut-off Friday July 14th) From: Behdad Esfahbod To: Ross Golder In-Reply-To: <1152444988.9101.16.camel@red> References: <1152444988.9101.16.camel@red> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:03:47 -0400 Message-Id: <1152637427.2850.8.camel@home> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 (2.6.2-1.fc5.5) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: Behdad Esfahbod X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.44 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.117, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.44 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Infrastructure , gnome-hackers@gnome.org, foundation-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:56:07 -0000 I have some concerns about how per-module repos are going to work: 1) How/when can we group modules into one repo? For example, it might make sense to group glib, pango, and gtk+ into one repo. But that makes it harder to remember/guess the repo paths. 2) Even if we dictate one repo per module: - What are the regulations for creating new repos? Any committer can ask and granted a new repo in a matter of a few hours? - If not, or even if yes, I believe people will start adding new modules into the repos they currently own. For example, if I want to create a pango-benchmark module, I definitely go with the existing pango repo instead of asking for a new one, and that again defeats the identity module-repo mapping. Regards, behdad On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 07:36 -0400, Ross Golder wrote: > Hi guys, > > I hope you have all recovered from GUADEC. As you have all probably long > forgotten by now, we are scheduled to migrate the GNOME CVS repository > to Subversion next weekend. Friday night at 23:59UTC to be precise. That > means that the migration will probably be under way this time next week. > > Here's an update on the status of the main issues. > > > Archive history issues > ---------------------- > > Unfortunately, during it's lifetime the GNOME CVS server has suffered > several accidental clock resets (to a point in 1997). The timestamps > listed in some of the CVS ',v' files are not always correct and in > chronological order. This led to some problems high-lighted by James > Henstridge: > > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-infrastructure/2006-February/msg00059.html > > Despite lengthy discussions with Michael Haggerty, the current > maintainer of cvs2svn, and several patches attempting to work around the > problem, it seems that it is unlikely that we'll be able to eliminate > the problem entirely - only use the patches we've developed to alleviate > the problem in the many cases. The most recent few mail exchanges on the > subject are archived here: > > http://cvs2svn.tigris.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=dev&by=date&from=2006-07-01&to=2006-07-31&first=1&count=4 > > At any rate, we will not be able to rely on the subversion archive to > recreate historical versions. To a certain extent, we can't really rely > on the CVS archive either, as various 'CVS surgery' operations will have > taken place over the years, in addition to the clockskew problems. > However, I will make sure the CVS archives stay on-line in > read-only/anonymous mode indefinitely in order to keep that history > publicly available as it was at the time of the cut-off. > > The thing to remember is that this issue will only affect a small > minority of the GNOME modules - the majority, esp newer modules, won't > suffer this problem and you should still be able to retrieve reasonably > faithful historical checkouts from either system in most cases. > > > Migration order > --------------- > > One downside will be that to migrate the entire CVS repository is that > we have a *lot* of history. Current indications are that - worse case > scenario - it could take the best part of a month to complete. > Obviously, lots of hackers aren't going to want to wait this long before > they can continue making commits to their module. So this is how I'm > thinking of determining the migration order. > > We have three 'priority' lists, and then the rest. The first priority > list will contain a list of any modules developers specifically request > are treated as priority, as they expect to be working with them within > hours/days of the migration cut-off (send your requests to me off the > list now). The second priority list will contain a list of other modules > we consider relatively urgent, such as the 'www.gnome.org' website in > case we decide to change anything about of homepage. The third priority > list is compiled from a list of the most active modules from the last > year in activity order (compiled from a query on 'bonsai-svn' from a > fairly recent test migration). Then, the whole list of modules is > processed for any not handled above. This can be seen in the migration > script 'create-svnrepos.sh', which is linked to and explained here: > > http://live.gnome.org/Subversion > > Obviously, at 23:59UTC the whole CVS archive will become read-only. As > each CVS module is being migrated to a Subversion repository, it will be > available read-only (for checkout and in viewcvs). When each module's > subversion repository has been successfully migrated, the repository > perms will reset so GNOME developers can proceed to make commits. > > As each module gets migrated, an '.out' file will be generated > containing the output of the cvs2svn run (for the curious). These can be > quite big sometimes, so the last few lines (containing the migration > statistics) will be directed into a '.tail' file and the whole output > file is bzip2'ed down. You should be able to see this happening here for > the running test migration here: > > http://svn.gnome.org/migration/ > > As you can see from the date-stamps, the recent test migration is > currently only migrating 25-30 reasonable sized modules a day. We > currently have over 860 modules, so it could be about a month before all > the modules have been migrated and are ready. I think I can get this > time down with a few changes to the script to make better use of SMP > etc, but the bottleneck will probably become I/O. Good thing we weren't > thinking about creating a monolithic repository, eh?! :) > > Now would be an ideal opportunity to let us know about any old CVS > modules you know about that are redundant, so we can put them out of the > way in the Attic before the migration. > > > Shouldn't we be cancelling or postponing the migration again? > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > I don't believe the history problems warrant us postponing or cancelling > the migration (again). If we do, it is unlikely that these problems will > ever be solved and we will probably be stuck with CVS until the cows > come home. We must move forward. However, I expect there will be some > who feel may feel a bit edgy about the migration. > > So, unless I hear otherwise, either from the board or if a significant > number of people raise objections in the next week (or both), the > migration will begin as scheduled next weekend, using our current > best-effort clock-skew alleviation patches. > > I will obviously continue to do everything I can to ensure that all the > angles are covered and that the actual migration goes as smoothly and > efficiently as possible. > > > More information > ---------------- > > Anything else I have thought of and/or covered should be written up > here: > > http://live.gnome.org/Subversion > > Please send questions or comments to 'gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org', > or drop by on irc.gnome.org/#sysadmin. Thanks. > > -- > Ross > > > _______________________________________________ > foundation-list mailing list > foundation-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- behdad http://behdad.org/ "Commandment Three says Do Not Kill, Amendment Two says Blood Will Spill" -- Dan Bern, "New American Language" From ross@golder.org Wed Jul 12 00:07:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D99713B04C4; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 00:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16169-06; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 00:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69D443B049F; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 00:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D18F4BAA; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 03:41:34 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EE3E2MdZJQ1g; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 03:41:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from [172.16.2.40] (unknown [125.24.69.165]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 087504BA9; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 03:41:23 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Subversion migration recap (cut-off Friday July 14th) From: Ross Golder To: Behdad Esfahbod In-Reply-To: <1152637427.2850.8.camel@home> References: <1152444988.9101.16.camel@red> <1152637427.2850.8.camel@home> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:41:18 +0700 Message-Id: <1152672078.8617.16.camel@rossg-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.502 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.020, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.502 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Infrastructure , gnome-hackers@gnome.org, foundation-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 04:07:50 -0000 On Tue, 2006-07-11 at 13:03 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > I have some concerns about how per-module repos are going to work: > > 1) How/when can we group modules into one repo? For example, it might > make sense to group glib, pango, and gtk+ into one repo. But that makes > it harder to remember/guess the repo paths. > Those are probably decisions to be made by the module owners, according to their longer-term requirements. If you need to move a portion of code between modules, the best thing to do is to 'svn add' it into the destination and 'svn rm' it from the source (obv w/relevant pointers in the commit message). Sysadmin shouldn't need to get involved, but can advise where necessary. > 2) Even if we dictate one repo per module: > > - What are the regulations for creating new repos? Any committer can > ask and granted a new repo in a matter of a few hours? > Something like that: http://live.gnome.org/NewSVNRepos > - If not, or even if yes, I believe people will start adding new > modules into the repos they currently own. For example, if I want to > create a pango-benchmark module, I definitely go with the existing pango > repo instead of asking for a new one, and that again defeats the > identity module-repo mapping. > That's entirely up to them :) It's their project. There are no strict requirements to force their decisions AFAIK. -- Ross > > > > On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 07:36 -0400, Ross Golder wrote: > > Hi guys, > > > > I hope you have all recovered from GUADEC. As you have all probably long > > forgotten by now, we are scheduled to migrate the GNOME CVS repository > > to Subversion next weekend. Friday night at 23:59UTC to be precise. That > > means that the migration will probably be under way this time next week. > > > > Here's an update on the status of the main issues. > > > > > > Archive history issues > > ---------------------- > > > > Unfortunately, during it's lifetime the GNOME CVS server has suffered > > several accidental clock resets (to a point in 1997). The timestamps > > listed in some of the CVS ',v' files are not always correct and in > > chronological order. This led to some problems high-lighted by James > > Henstridge: > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-infrastructure/2006-February/msg00059.html > > > > Despite lengthy discussions with Michael Haggerty, the current > > maintainer of cvs2svn, and several patches attempting to work around the > > problem, it seems that it is unlikely that we'll be able to eliminate > > the problem entirely - only use the patches we've developed to alleviate > > the problem in the many cases. The most recent few mail exchanges on the > > subject are archived here: > > > > http://cvs2svn.tigris.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=dev&by=date&from=2006-07-01&to=2006-07-31&first=1&count=4 > > > > At any rate, we will not be able to rely on the subversion archive to > > recreate historical versions. To a certain extent, we can't really rely > > on the CVS archive either, as various 'CVS surgery' operations will have > > taken place over the years, in addition to the clockskew problems. > > However, I will make sure the CVS archives stay on-line in > > read-only/anonymous mode indefinitely in order to keep that history > > publicly available as it was at the time of the cut-off. > > > > The thing to remember is that this issue will only affect a small > > minority of the GNOME modules - the majority, esp newer modules, won't > > suffer this problem and you should still be able to retrieve reasonably > > faithful historical checkouts from either system in most cases. > > > > > > Migration order > > --------------- > > > > One downside will be that to migrate the entire CVS repository is that > > we have a *lot* of history. Current indications are that - worse case > > scenario - it could take the best part of a month to complete. > > Obviously, lots of hackers aren't going to want to wait this long before > > they can continue making commits to their module. So this is how I'm > > thinking of determining the migration order. > > > > We have three 'priority' lists, and then the rest. The first priority > > list will contain a list of any modules developers specifically request > > are treated as priority, as they expect to be working with them within > > hours/days of the migration cut-off (send your requests to me off the > > list now). The second priority list will contain a list of other modules > > we consider relatively urgent, such as the 'www.gnome.org' website in > > case we decide to change anything about of homepage. The third priority > > list is compiled from a list of the most active modules from the last > > year in activity order (compiled from a query on 'bonsai-svn' from a > > fairly recent test migration). Then, the whole list of modules is > > processed for any not handled above. This can be seen in the migration > > script 'create-svnrepos.sh', which is linked to and explained here: > > > > http://live.gnome.org/Subversion > > > > Obviously, at 23:59UTC the whole CVS archive will become read-only. As > > each CVS module is being migrated to a Subversion repository, it will be > > available read-only (for checkout and in viewcvs). When each module's > > subversion repository has been successfully migrated, the repository > > perms will reset so GNOME developers can proceed to make commits. > > > > As each module gets migrated, an '.out' file will be generated > > containing the output of the cvs2svn run (for the curious). These can be > > quite big sometimes, so the last few lines (containing the migration > > statistics) will be directed into a '.tail' file and the whole output > > file is bzip2'ed down. You should be able to see this happening here for > > the running test migration here: > > > > http://svn.gnome.org/migration/ > > > > As you can see from the date-stamps, the recent test migration is > > currently only migrating 25-30 reasonable sized modules a day. We > > currently have over 860 modules, so it could be about a month before all > > the modules have been migrated and are ready. I think I can get this > > time down with a few changes to the script to make better use of SMP > > etc, but the bottleneck will probably become I/O. Good thing we weren't > > thinking about creating a monolithic repository, eh?! :) > > > > Now would be an ideal opportunity to let us know about any old CVS > > modules you know about that are redundant, so we can put them out of the > > way in the Attic before the migration. > > > > > > Shouldn't we be cancelling or postponing the migration again? > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > I don't believe the history problems warrant us postponing or cancelling > > the migration (again). If we do, it is unlikely that these problems will > > ever be solved and we will probably be stuck with CVS until the cows > > come home. We must move forward. However, I expect there will be some > > who feel may feel a bit edgy about the migration. > > > > So, unless I hear otherwise, either from the board or if a significant > > number of people raise objections in the next week (or both), the > > migration will begin as scheduled next weekend, using our current > > best-effort clock-skew alleviation patches. > > > > I will obviously continue to do everything I can to ensure that all the > > angles are covered and that the actual migration goes as smoothly and > > efficiently as possible. > > > > > > More information > > ---------------- > > > > Anything else I have thought of and/or covered should be written up > > here: > > > > http://live.gnome.org/Subversion > > > > Please send questions or comments to 'gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org', > > or drop by on irc.gnome.org/#sysadmin. Thanks. > > > > -- > > Ross > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > foundation-list mailing list > > foundation-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list From ross@golder.org Wed Jul 12 02:39:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C72C3B0086 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 02:39:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25550-10 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 02:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0F253B0071 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 02:39:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D6C4BAA; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:29:48 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UL3x-ef3EiNH; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:29:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from [172.16.2.40] (unknown [125.24.69.165]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38B2E4BA9; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:29:41 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Responsibility for mail server, impact on Subversion From: Ross Golder To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org, jdub@perkypants.org In-Reply-To: <20060712051132.GN655@waugh.id.au> References: <20060712051132.GN655@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:29:35 +0700 Message-Id: <1152682175.8617.36.camel@rossg-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.542 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.057, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.542 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Kjartan Maraas , Jonathan Blandford X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:39:20 -0000 On Wed, 2006-07-12 at 15:11 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > Hi all, > > A number of people have suggested that it would be irresponsible to do the > Subversion migration while our mail infrastructure is in the terrible state > that it is. I strongly agree... and suggest that we commit to delaying the > Subversion migration if the mail infrastructure is not functioning reliably > by Monday. As unfortunate as it would be to delay, we can not responsibly > expect our users to cope with such a change without fully functioning mail > services for support and co-ordination. > > To back this up, I would like to own the responsibility for getting our mail > services back up and running reliably. This problem needs a clear owner, not > fresh layers of temporary fixes, trial and error experiments and incomplete > analysis. *No* changes should be made without confirmation, unless a serious > emergency change is required in which case you should follow up to this mail > both on list and directly to my address. This means mail server config on > all our machines... and (!!!) firewall configuration related to mail server > functions. > > This will allow Ross (and perhaps others, if he needs them) to focus 100% on > preparing for and documenting the Subversion migration, which is *extremely* > important to get right, while ensuring that we do not make more mistakes as > we attempt to fix the mail server infrastructure. > > Thanks, > > - Jeff > Discussed on IRC and agreed. Jeff owns the mail problem now. -- Ross From jdub@waugh.id.au Wed Jul 12 06:45:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9C0D3B0284 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:45:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02521-04 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82F7D3B0239 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:45:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22CDE3C85B; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:11:41 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 20DF141B4; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:11:32 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:11:32 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: GNOME Infrastructure Subject: Responsibility for mail server, impact on Subversion Message-ID: <20060712051132.GN655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME Infrastructure , Ross Golder , "Guilherme de S. Pastore" , Jonathan Blandford , Kjartan Maraas MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Reply-By: Sat Jul 15 14:53:06 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 14:53:06 up 7 days, 8:10, 8 users, load average: 0.14, 0.05, 0.01 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.448 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.448 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Kjartan Maraas , Jonathan Blandford X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org, jdub@perkypants.org List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:45:45 -0000 Hi all, A number of people have suggested that it would be irresponsible to do the Subversion migration while our mail infrastructure is in the terrible state that it is. I strongly agree... and suggest that we commit to delaying the Subversion migration if the mail infrastructure is not functioning reliably by Monday. As unfortunate as it would be to delay, we can not responsibly expect our users to cope with such a change without fully functioning mail services for support and co-ordination. To back this up, I would like to own the responsibility for getting our mail services back up and running reliably. This problem needs a clear owner, not fresh layers of temporary fixes, trial and error experiments and incomplete analysis. *No* changes should be made without confirmation, unless a serious emergency change is required in which case you should follow up to this mail both on list and directly to my address. This means mail server config on all our machines... and (!!!) firewall configuration related to mail server functions. This will allow Ross (and perhaps others, if he needs them) to focus 100% on preparing for and documenting the Subversion migration, which is *extremely* important to get right, while ensuring that we do not make more mistakes as we attempt to fix the mail server infrastructure. Thanks, - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ What do you get when you cross a web server and a hen? Apoache. From qgil@desdeamericaconamor.org Wed Jul 12 10:41:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 408A83B0606 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:41:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15778-01 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from servidor.almenara.org (unknown [213.149.238.22]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 260A13B0653 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:10:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18182 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2006 08:23:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.1.34]) (88.5.163.2) by 213.149.238.22 with SMTP; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:23:48 +0000 Subject: Re: www.gtkmm.org hosting From: Quim Gil To: Ross Golder In-Reply-To: <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> References: <1143130036.6942.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143130109.6942.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143209101.12253.18.camel@yellow> <1143209712.5969.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144063086.6062.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1145376467.17987.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149102258.5720.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149106990.5720.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149168356.5197.5.camel@green> <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-+a22hFKBGhJuwCCNf+1j" Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:23:47 +0200 Message-Id: <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.573 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.026, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.573 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:41:16 -0000 --=-+a22hFKBGhJuwCCNf+1j Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 14:37 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > > seems like we might not have the sysadmin resources to really support > > extra web sites.=20 GNOME projects are not extra web sites, really. We should find a balance between project websites requirements and sysadmin realistic resources. Murray, it would be great if you could start a list of requirements based on your own needs for gtkmm.org. Then we can improve these requirements checking with other GNOME projects, and after that we "negotiate" with the sysadmins what can we really offer.=20 With this we get a official and documented offer to GNOME projects. Those happy with it can come and be served. Those with special needs can try to increase the requirements accepted or go elsewhere. None of this solves your problem now, it will be helpful in the future though. Feel free to suggest a timeline for the planning process at http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/DevelopmentTimeline --=20 Quim Gil /// http://desdeamericaconamor.org | http://guadec.org --=-+a22hFKBGhJuwCCNf+1j Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEsg6TBEzHYk6x634RAhTiAJ4x5egjpZXo2MtDY93Q50jzh0LZUgCcDges G0YGvZ2N05Ixdf1h9fyye68= =01SD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-+a22hFKBGhJuwCCNf+1j-- From jdub@waugh.id.au Wed Jul 12 10:50:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51E0E3B0661 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:50:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17292-04 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA9AE3B011D for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:47:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AFF33D89D for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:47:21 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 380F241B4; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:47:12 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:47:12 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: GNOME Infrastructure Subject: mailman round trip test Message-ID: <20060712144712.GZ655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME Infrastructure MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Reply-By: Sun Jul 16 00:46:41 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 00:46:41 up 7 days, 18:04, 9 users, load average: 0.06, 0.03, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.448 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.448 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:50:52 -0000 This is the list that has to suffer test emails. Suffer in your jocks, etc. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ From jdub@waugh.id.au Wed Jul 12 11:07:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B1F23B04E9 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:07:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21015-07 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BAB13B02C6 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:07:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id C30133D8C3 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:07:27 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9B83E41B4; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:07:18 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:07:18 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: GNOME Infrastructure Subject: Re: mailman round trip test Message-ID: <20060712150718.GA655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME Infrastructure References: <20060712144712.GZ655@waugh.id.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060712144712.GZ655@waugh.id.au> Reply-By: Sun Jul 16 01:07:07 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 01:07:07 up 7 days, 18:24, 7 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.448 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.448 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:07:52 -0000 > This is the list that has to suffer test emails. Suffer in your jocks, etc. Another round-trip test. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ Great minds think different? From jdub@waugh.id.au Wed Jul 12 11:10:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2985E3B033B for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:10:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21354-07 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:10:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B92F3B0149 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:10:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1AB23D8C3 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:10:30 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9865F41B4; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:10:21 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:10:21 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Re: mailman round trip test Message-ID: <20060712151021.GB655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org References: <20060712144712.GZ655@waugh.id.au> <20060712150718.GA655@waugh.id.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060712150718.GA655@waugh.id.au> Reply-By: Sun Jul 16 01:08:54 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 01:08:54 up 7 days, 18:26, 7 users, load average: 0.16, 0.03, 0.01 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.448 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.448 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:10:32 -0000 > Another round-trip test. Hah: 01:07:18 - leaves laptop, to gnome.org 01:08:26 - returns laptop, via gnome.org Sweet. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "World domination is a community responsibility." - Michael Hall, LinuxPlanet From jdub@waugh.id.au Wed Jul 12 11:37:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 789373B0110 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:37:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25778-01 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CB503B00A5 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:37:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99E353D8BE for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:37:02 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5AC5D41B4; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:36:53 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:36:53 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Re: mailman round trip test Message-ID: <20060712153653.GD655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org References: <20060712144712.GZ655@waugh.id.au> <20060712150718.GA655@waugh.id.au> <20060712151021.GB655@waugh.id.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060712151021.GB655@waugh.id.au> Reply-By: Sun Jul 16 01:36:36 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 01:36:36 up 7 days, 18:54, 7 users, load average: 0.16, 0.07, 0.02 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.448 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.448 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:37:07 -0000 > > Another round-trip test. > Sweet. Tripping again. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "Openness cannot be assumed, it must be asserted in order to be assured." - Christopher Kelty From hadess@hadess.net Wed Jul 12 12:41:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB3D23B0220 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02355-02 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lucifer.nerdfest.org (lucifer.nerdfest.org [216.243.209.218]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF42B3B0166 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:41:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (cpc4-glfd1-0-0-cust751.glfd.cable.ntl.com [86.16.126.240]) (authenticated bits=0) by lucifer.nerdfest.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6CGfKRP016617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:41:26 -0500 Subject: ping From: Bastien Nocera To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:44:23 +0100 Message-Id: <1152722663.11334.52.camel@wyatt.hadess.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.5.90 (2.5.90-2.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.2/1592/Tue Jul 11 15:40:37 2006 on lucifer.nerdfest.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.592 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.008, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.592 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:41:29 -0000 ping From matthias.clasen@gmail.com Wed Jul 12 12:41:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1B183B0220 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:41:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02219-10 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:41:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.183]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED4293B01CC for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id z59so303761pyg for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:41:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.99.14 with SMTP id b14mr1079375pym; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:41:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.39.16 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:41:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:41:55 -0400 From: "Matthias Clasen" To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: ping MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.41 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.010, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.41 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:41:56 -0000 ping From qub333@gmail.com Wed Jul 12 12:42:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E8C93B0225 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02275-10 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:42:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.183]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CBCB3B0220 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:42:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id z59so303761pyg for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.34.18 with SMTP id m18mr1108427pyj; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.8.13 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <88d636060607120942x5e3d4e8aw689837a7065548f3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:42:01 -0400 From: "Kevin Kubasik" Sender: qub333@gmail.com To: "Bastien Nocera" Subject: Re: ping In-Reply-To: <1152722663.11334.52.camel@wyatt.hadess.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1152722663.11334.52.camel@wyatt.hadess.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: bb9559309d9fe1bb X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.403 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.003, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.403 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:42:04 -0000 pong.... On 7/12/06, Bastien Nocera wrote: > ping > > > _______________________________________________ > Gnome-infrastructure mailing list > Gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-infrastructure > -- Cheers, Kevin Kubasik http://kubasik.net/blog From mclasen@redhat.com Wed Jul 12 12:42:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D1E13B0131 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:42:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02288-08 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E76BC3B0225 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:42:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k6CGgNdF012210 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:42:23 -0400 Received: from lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (lacrosse.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.154]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k6CGgNl6009599 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:42:23 -0400 Received: from [172.16.83.175] (vpn83-175.boston.redhat.com [172.16.83.175]) by lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k6CGgMlM004853 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:42:22 -0400 Subject: ping From: Matthias Clasen To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Red Hat Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:45:18 -0400 Message-Id: <1152722718.3048.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.3 (2.7.3-9) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.542 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.059, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.542 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:42:25 -0000 ping From jdub@waugh.id.au Wed Jul 12 12:50:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAFE03B03EA for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02665-10 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:50:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70F793B0462 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 030F33D8B1 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:50:23 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A78D741B4; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:50:07 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:50:07 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Re: ping Message-ID: <20060712165007.GE655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org References: <1152722718.3048.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1152722718.3048.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Reply-By: Sun Jul 16 02:49:29 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 02:49:29 up 7 days, 20:06, 7 users, load average: 0.32, 0.07, 0.02 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.448 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.448 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:50:27 -0000 > ping (Pings prompted by me. Those on this mailing list can be content to suffer occasional non-mailing-list-like behaviour such as this. Jocks/suffer/etc.) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "Building a Kernel is a requirement for Securing Servers." - Oscar Plameras From jdub@waugh.id.au Wed Jul 12 12:58:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 797DF3B0007 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03412-03 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:58:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30B8F3B00C3 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:58:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8B043D8B4 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:58:13 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 52B0241B4; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:58:04 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:58:04 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: GNOME Infrastructure Subject: mailgraph/qshape on menubar Message-ID: <20060712165804.GF655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME Infrastructure MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Reply-By: Sun Jul 16 02:53:16 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 02:53:16 up 7 days, 20:10, 7 users, load average: 0.08, 0.06, 0.02 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.448 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.448 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:58:17 -0000 Hey, I've installed mailgraph (and dependencies [1]) on menubar. This simple tool has become a staple of my mail server maintenance arsenal - it's very useful to have a quick visual guide to how your mail server is running. It's pretty interesting already. :-) I've also copied qshape from postfix 2.1.x into menubar:/usr/local/bin. This is another must-have tool for postfix administration, providing vastly more useful information than mailq: per-sender/recipient domain queue statistics. Thanks, - Jeff [1] http://nakedape.cc/ftp/nakedape/rhel3/rpm/ -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "That whole 'you complete me' thing is just tragic and totally unrealistic. Go complete yourself." - Anon From ross@golder.org Thu Jul 13 00:48:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC4AA3B00D8; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:48:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05107-01; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:48:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7525F3B00C5; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:48:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B58D34BAE; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 05:48:12 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1mj-1Cb5e8E1; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 05:48:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from [172.16.2.40] (unknown [125.24.76.250]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F9814BA7; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 05:48:06 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Time to move GGV to the Attic? (Was: Subversion migration recap (cut-off Friday July 14th)) From: Ross Golder To: Gary Ekker In-Reply-To: <1152503442.4652.29.camel@cezanne.site> References: <1152444988.9101.16.camel@red> <1152503442.4652.29.camel@cezanne.site> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:48:02 +0700 Message-Id: <1152766082.17165.29.camel@rossg-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.543 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.056, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.543 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Infrastructure , gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 04:48:14 -0000 On อา., 2006-07-09 at 21:50 -0600, Gary Ekker wrote: > On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 18:36 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > Now would be an ideal opportunity to let us know about any old CVS > > modules you know about that are redundant, so we can put them out of the > > way in the Attic before the migration. > > I think it is an appropriate time to move GGV to the Attic, we haven't > shipped it in GNOME for over a year. All feature development is now done > in the Evince project. I haven't checked, but I doubt any distros are > still shipping GGV. Bug fixing has slowed to almost nothing, and there > will likely never be another release... > OK, moved to the Attic. It can always be resurrected and migrated later if deemed necessary. -- Ross From ross@golder.org Thu Jul 13 02:19:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39B453B0314; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:19:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08198-05; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:19:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 305363B0004; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:19:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A9C24BAF; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:19:37 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4TZriOVjFg21; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:19:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from [172.16.2.40] (unknown [125.24.76.250]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABE134BAE; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:19:31 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Delay in mail from GNOME From: Ross Golder To: Olav Vitters In-Reply-To: <20051211143508.GB13357@bkor.dhs.org> References: <20051211143508.GB13357@bkor.dhs.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:19:26 +0700 Message-Id: <1152771566.17165.63.camel@rossg-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.541 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.058, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.541 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-sysadmin@gnome.org, gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 06:19:40 -0000 On อา., 2005-12-11 at 15:35 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: > Mails from GNOME are delayed by at least 50min. Seems amavis is the > cause. See below for two headers. One of a Bugzilla mail. Another one of > a mailinglist mail from someone in the same timezone as me. In the > mailinglist mail I edited my email address, made no other changes. > > Still waiting on some emails. Not any more you're not :) -- Ross From ross@golder.org Thu Jul 13 03:34:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2760D3B00EE for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 03:34:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10497-10 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 03:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64FDA3B02BF for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 03:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E0E94BAF; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:34:02 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eRxO0n924fEy; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:34:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from [172.16.2.40] (unknown [125.24.76.250]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33DDB4BAE; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:33:57 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Mail archives giving a 404 when searched From: Ross Golder To: Kevin Kubasik In-Reply-To: <44ACFAC2.20507@kubasik.net> References: <44ACFAC2.20507@kubasik.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:33:51 +0700 Message-Id: <1152776031.17165.93.camel@rossg-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.534 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.065, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.534 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:34:05 -0000 On พฤ., 2006-07-06 at 07:57 -0400, Kevin Kubasik wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 > > I dunno if this was already known, or if it was an outstanding bug, go > to an active mailing list archive like > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/dashboard-hackers/ and type in a search > term, you'll get a Not Found message. Seemed like this was more > infrastructures territory than the web team, so I thought I'd go here > first. If its there thing, I can file a bug. I fixed the 404 recently, but the archive search still isn't perfect. There a bug for this: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74288 -- Ross From jdub@waugh.id.au Thu Jul 13 03:43:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10C393B017D for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 03:43:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10571-10 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 03:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CB9D3B00C5 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 03:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 099FF3D8E1; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:43:46 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8A7E74113; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:43:42 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:43:42 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: Ross Golder Subject: Re: [Fwd: Another suggestion for easening the mail burden..] Message-ID: <20060713074342.GH655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: Ross Golder , GNOME Infrastructure References: <1152774353.17165.86.camel@rossg-desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1152774353.17165.86.camel@rossg-desktop> Reply-By: Sun Jul 16 17:22:45 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 17:22:45 up 8 days, 10:40, 8 users, load average: 0.01, 0.02, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.448 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.448 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Infrastructure X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:43:48 -0000 > Just dug this suggestion from Stric up. Don't know if it makes any sense > in the context of the stuff you're doing... (Snip good suggestions about reducing the number of mails hitting Amavis.) So, I've *massively* reduced the number of mails going to Amavis simply by reducing the number of mails being allowed to go through the MTA. It looks like roughly 1 mail per second going through Amavis, which correlates with the number of received mails per minute (mpm) on mailgraph [1]. We can handle 75mpm, *internally*, no sweat. Realistically we can handle a heck of a lot more, even before we give Amavis more head room (cranking up its max_servers/max_requests, etc). So, certainly something to think about in the future, but now that we have good information about the behaviour of our mail load, we need to watch it for a while, to get a better grip on it over a useful period of time. Then we can start thinking about further optimisations. (Replying on gnome-infrastructure for temporal documentation purposes.) Thanks, - Jeff [1] http://mail.gnome.org/mailgraph.cgi - now with bonus virus/spam stats. -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "Linux continues to have almost as much soul as James Brown." - Forrest Cook, LWN From ross@golder.org Thu Jul 13 07:50:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85DFF3B0326; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:50:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11473-04; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:49:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3F043B01BD; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:49:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31BF04BAF; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:49:39 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2i4GeI8q4kAp; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:49:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from [172.16.2.40] (unknown [125.24.76.250]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 882B14BAE; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:49:33 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: preparing for UTC timezone, corrections to cronjobs From: Ross Golder To: Toni Willberg In-Reply-To: <448A8B9D.8010505@golder.org> References: <1108251195.11292.6.camel@nasu> <448A8B9D.8010505@golder.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:49:27 +0700 Message-Id: <1152776968.17165.96.camel@rossg-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.534 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.065, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.534 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME sysadmin list , gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:50:09 -0000 On ส., 2006-06-10 at 16:06 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > I would like to move ahead with this as soon as possible. Not only has > it been outstanding for way too long, it shouldn't be too hard or scary > to do, it shouldn't break anything (at least not irreparably), and would > be nice to get done and be allowed to settle before GUADEC. Thanks for > doing the groundwork Toni (and Kurt) - now it's about time we did > something about it :) > > I am proposing to action this tomorrow at about 0800UTC. Does anyone > have any objections or foresee any problems? > Done now. FTR, I copied /usr/share/zoneinfo/UTC to /etc/localtime on all six machines, and updated the crontab entries identified by Toni. -- Ross From vincent@vuntz.net Thu Jul 13 10:03:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CFDF3B029F; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:03:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18306-04; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:03:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 276E33B028C; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:03:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C5489112698; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:03:37 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:03:37 +0200 From: Vincent Untz To: Ross Golder Subject: Re: Time to move GGV to the Attic? (Was: Subversion migration recap (cut-off Friday July 14th)) Message-ID: <20060713100337.GB28420@vuntz.net> References: <1152444988.9101.16.camel@red> <1152503442.4652.29.camel@cezanne.site> <1152766082.17165.29.camel@rossg-desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1152766082.17165.29.camel@rossg-desktop> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.554 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.046, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.554 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Infrastructure , gnome-hackers@gnome.org, Gary Ekker X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:03:42 -0000 Le jeudi 13 juillet 2006, à 11:48, Ross Golder a écrit : > On อา., 2006-07-09 at 21:50 -0600, Gary Ekker wrote: > > On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 18:36 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > > Now would be an ideal opportunity to let us know about any old CVS > > > modules you know about that are redundant, so we can put them out of the > > > way in the Attic before the migration. > > > > I think it is an appropriate time to move GGV to the Attic, we haven't > > shipped it in GNOME for over a year. All feature development is now done > > in the Evince project. I haven't checked, but I doubt any distros are > > still shipping GGV. Bug fixing has slowed to almost nothing, and there > > will likely never be another release... > > > > OK, moved to the Attic. It can always be resurrected and migrated later > if deemed necessary. Err, I thought we had a special CVS Root for this: archives. http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/?root=archive Attic is inappropriate for this, IMHO. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From ross@golder.org Thu Jul 13 12:13:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DB943B03D3; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:13:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24299-04; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:13:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BCEE3B04AD; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:13:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF2974BAE; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:13:25 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cNwmlKzGs6Uw; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:13:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from [172.16.2.40] (unknown [125.24.76.250]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A60924BAB; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:13:16 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Time to move GGV to the Attic? (Was: Subversion migration recap (cut-off Friday July 14th)) From: Ross Golder To: Vincent Untz In-Reply-To: <20060713100337.GB28420@vuntz.net> References: <1152444988.9101.16.camel@red> <1152503442.4652.29.camel@cezanne.site> <1152766082.17165.29.camel@rossg-desktop> <20060713100337.GB28420@vuntz.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:13:11 +0700 Message-Id: <1152792791.5844.0.camel@rossg-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.532 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.067, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.532 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Infrastructure , gnome-hackers@gnome.org, Gary Ekker X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:13:40 -0000 On พฤ., 2006-07-13 at 12:03 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > Le jeudi 13 juillet 2006, à 11:48, Ross Golder a écrit : > > On อา., 2006-07-09 at 21:50 -0600, Gary Ekker wrote: > > > On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 18:36 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > > > Now would be an ideal opportunity to let us know about any old CVS > > > > modules you know about that are redundant, so we can put them out of the > > > > way in the Attic before the migration. > > > > > > I think it is an appropriate time to move GGV to the Attic, we haven't > > > shipped it in GNOME for over a year. All feature development is now done > > > in the Evince project. I haven't checked, but I doubt any distros are > > > still shipping GGV. Bug fixing has slowed to almost nothing, and there > > > will likely never be another release... > > > > > > > OK, moved to the Attic. It can always be resurrected and migrated later > > if deemed necessary. > > Err, I thought we had a special CVS Root for this: archives. > http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/?root=archive > > Attic is inappropriate for this, IMHO. > > Vincent > OK. I wasn't aware of that. Moved from the Attic to the archive. -- Ross From andy@andycc.net Wed Jul 12 14:10:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 797963B02D0 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:10:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08356-06 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:10:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sydney.mailnetwork.co.uk (server88-208-192-113.live-servers.net [88.208.192.113]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85BB83B043A for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:10:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andyshellam-gw.adsl.newnet.co.uk ([80.175.198.137]:59194 helo=[192.168.1.15]) by sydney.mailnetwork.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1G00Ko-0001P6-Hv; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:18:18 +0100 Message-ID: <44B299E8.8010607@andycc.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:18:16 +0100 From: Andy Shellam Organization: the mail network User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ross Golder , gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Re: www.gtkmm.org hosting References: <1143130036.6942.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143130109.6942.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143209101.12253.18.camel@yellow> <1143209712.5969.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144063086.6062.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1145376467.17987.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149102258.5720.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149106990.5720.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149168356.5197.5.camel@green> <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> <1152543926.9094.30.camel@red> In-Reply-To: <1152543926.9094.30.camel@red> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.466 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.466 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:38:19 +0000 X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: andy@andycc.net List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:10:13 -0000 Hi Ross (and others): If you can give a list of skills required, what sort of systems you manage, future expectations etc, (I suppose similar to a job spec), I'd definitely be interested in helping out :) I currently run my own web, database and e-mail servers (Linux w/ Gnome of course ;) ), and I'm a software analyst by day-time profession, but have commercial experience in managing Windows, Linux and Unix servers, and our server estate at work covers 200+ servers. I'd love to see if I can offer anything to team :) Regards Andy Ross Golder wrote: > I have been considering starting (another) internal thread on how we can > widen the GNOME sysadmin team some more. We made a request for sysadmin > volunteers a couple of years ago, and got a good response, but > unfortunately we turned most of them down and only took up a few of them > on their offers, as we only needed a few more pairs of hands at the > time. > > Now we have a small influx of new hardware and hosting offers, we are > going to need to make sure they don't sit idle waiting for us to get > round to them. I think we are going to need to consider taking on a few > more worthy volunteers into the team to help prepare and execute any > plans we will be drawing up and help maintain a certain level of service > etc. > > Anyway, what with the subversion migration and other (non-GNOME) work, > I'll be a bit busy for the next few weeks, but hopefully by the time > that settles, Murray (and anyone else with an opinion) should have > started setting some of the expectations and we can begin to discuss how > to meet them ;) I look forward to seeing them. > > -- > Ross > > > _______________________________________________ > Gnome-infrastructure mailing list > Gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-infrastructure > > !DSPAM:14,44b2888034531041548765! > > > From gekker@novell.com Wed Jul 12 16:09:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D9793B0162 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:09:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15617-01 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [130.57.169.10]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 471083B013A for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 21470 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2006 03:53:01 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO ?192.168.0.100?) (gekker@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Jul 2006 03:53:01 -0000 Subject: Re: Time to move GGV to the Attic? (Was: Subversion migration recap (cut-off Friday July 14th)) From: Gary Ekker To: Ross Golder In-Reply-To: <1152444988.9101.16.camel@red> References: <1152444988.9101.16.camel@red> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 21:50:41 -0600 Message-Id: <1152503442.4652.29.camel@cezanne.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.399 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.399 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:38:19 +0000 Cc: GNOME Infrastructure , gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 20:09:06 -0000 On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 18:36 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > Now would be an ideal opportunity to let us know about any old CVS > modules you know about that are redundant, so we can put them out of the > way in the Attic before the migration. I think it is an appropriate time to move GGV to the Attic, we haven't shipped it in GNOME for over a year. All feature development is now done in the Evince project. I haven't checked, but I doubt any distros are still shipping GGV. Bug fixing has slowed to almost nothing, and there will likely never be another release... That said I'm not sure if there are criteria that a module has to meet before it is archived. I'm about to leave town on holiday, and won't have access to email until after the migration begins, so I can't participate in any pre-migration discussion this may generate. The GGV module can definitely be one of the last, if it is even necessary to migrate it at all. -Gary From toni@willberg.fi Thu Jul 13 09:50:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ABB33B028C for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:50:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17515-09 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:50:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gw03.mail.saunalahti.fi (gw03.mail.saunalahti.fi [195.197.172.111]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 090EB3B02DF for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:50:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from willberg.fi (KMMMDXXXII.dsl.saunalahti.fi [62.142.131.132]) by gw03.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E70F216198 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:50:10 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [192.168.100.55] (laalaa.home.willberg.fi [192.168.100.55]) by willberg.fi (8.13.5/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k6D9nRIh002114 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:49:27 +0300 Message-ID: <44B61757.1030805@willberg.fi> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:50:15 +0300 From: Toni Willberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Re: Widen the team? [was: www.gtkmm.org hosting] References: <1149106990.5720.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149168356.5197.5.camel@green> <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> <1152543926.9094.30.camel@red> <20060710202714.GO655@waugh.id.au> In-Reply-To: <20060710202714.GO655@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/1539/Wed Jun 14 17:21:49 2006 clamav-milter version 0.80j on 127.0.0.1 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.436 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.028, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.436 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:38:19 +0000 X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:50:16 -0000 Jeff Waugh kirjoitti: > > >> I have been considering starting (another) internal thread on how we can >> widen the GNOME sysadmin team some more. > > Sorry to be characteristically blunt, but we don't need more people - that > would just complicate matters more - what we do need is more attentive and > more professional people. I have been surprised and dismayed at the recent > issues we've been having and the actions taken to paper over or dodge them > rather than actually fix them. Our machines have always been in a somewhat > mediocre state, but the current churn and reactive approach to improvement > is taking its toll. Now, this is not all gar... It's been obvious over the > past month that I have been paying much more attention to sysadmin issues. > So I'm not idly complaining - I intend to spend more time on it. > > - Jeff > My opinion (based on experience) is that the Foundation should hire one part-time system administrator to take care of mission critical services. The volunteer sysadmin team would be doing whatever they (we) have been doing as usual, but the head of the team would be actually responsible of things (also in legal perspective). This arrangement should avoid some of the pingpong issues we have had in the past. In my opinion some of the delays have been caused by the fact that there has been no-one who can (or have been willing to) make decisions about certain things. If the idea gets support, could someone please escalate this to the Foundation, thanks. - Toni ps. sorry about not having time to do sysadmin tasks actively anymore :( From qub333@gmail.com Thu Jul 13 13:27:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CFFF3B0516 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:27:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27932-08 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:27:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51A5A3B04E3 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:27:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id 57so211639pya for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 06:27:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.91.10 with SMTP id t10mr752576pyl; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 06:27:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.8.13 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 06:27:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <88d636060607130627j70ff9ca6g6125746d5a353e7a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:27:42 -0400 From: "Kevin Kubasik" Sender: qub333@gmail.com To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Debian Server Compramise MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: f24165d09233aab2 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.409 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.009, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.409 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:27:44 -0000 I know this isn't all that exciting or relevant (I guess its pretty common for servers to be compromised) but I feel most OSS projects see this far less often then corporate systems. Regardless, It appears one of Debian's servers was compromised, while they haven't made much in terms of details public, it might be worth a scan of our logs for anything suspicious if we have some hacker with an anti-OSS vendetta, or who is at least proficient against *nix based machines. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/07/msg00003.html Not trying to cry wolf or cite serious concern, but also if anyone on the list happens to know the debian sysadmins more personally, they may want to get specifics. -- Cheers, Kevin Kubasik http://kubasik.net/blog From jdub@waugh.id.au Thu Jul 13 13:47:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C774D3B0455 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:47:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28828-09 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:47:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A05283B0514 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:47:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29F733C3E5 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:47:06 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A8C914113; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:47:02 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:47:02 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Re: Widen the team? [was: www.gtkmm.org hosting] Message-ID: <20060713134702.GJ655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org References: <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> <1152543926.9094.30.camel@red> <20060710202714.GO655@waugh.id.au> <44B61757.1030805@willberg.fi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <44B61757.1030805@willberg.fi> Reply-By: Sun Jul 16 23:44:36 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 23:44:36 up 8 days, 17:01, 8 users, load average: 0.01, 0.02, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.448 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.448 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:47:07 -0000 > If the idea gets support, could someone please escalate this to the > Foundation, thanks. *board hat on* The GNOME Foundation Board is aware of this want/need, and is working toward putting the Foundation on much better financial footing, such that we could make this kind of investment safely. There is definitely no timeline for a sysadmin position opening, but it's definitely on the agenda for the future. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "And that's what it sounds like if you *download* it!" - John Linnell of They Might Be Giants From ross@golder.org Thu Jul 13 15:23:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0A9C3B0324 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:23:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01450-02 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:23:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D27623B0061 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:23:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 040484BAE; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:23:32 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2J7W-bJfzFL8; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:23:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from [172.16.2.40] (unknown [125.24.76.250]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFE0E4BA7; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:23:26 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: www.gtkmm.org hosting From: Ross Golder To: andy@andycc.net In-Reply-To: <44B299E8.8010607@andycc.net> References: <1143130036.6942.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143130109.6942.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143209101.12253.18.camel@yellow> <1143209712.5969.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144063086.6062.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1145376467.17987.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149102258.5720.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149106990.5720.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149168356.5197.5.camel@green> <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> <1152543926.9094.30.camel@red> <44B299E8.8010607@andycc.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 22:23:21 +0700 Message-Id: <1152804201.6333.9.camel@rossg-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.531 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.068, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.531 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:23:36 -0000 On จ., 2006-07-10 at 19:18 +0100, Andy Shellam wrote: > Hi Ross (and others): > > If you can give a list of skills required, what sort of systems you > manage, future expectations etc, (I suppose similar to a job spec), I'd > definitely be interested in helping out :) > > I currently run my own web, database and e-mail servers (Linux w/ Gnome > of course ;) ), and I'm a software analyst by day-time profession, but > have commercial experience in managing Windows, Linux and Unix servers, > and our server estate at work covers 200+ servers. > > I'd love to see if I can offer anything to team :) > A good place to start would be to read: http://live.gnome.org/HelpingSysadmin Thanks, -- Ross From qub333@gmail.com Thu Jul 13 16:09:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D88E13B046F for ; 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Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:07:07 -0300 (BRT) Subject: Re: Debian Server Compramise From: "Guilherme de S. Pastore" To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <88d636060607130627j70ff9ca6g6125746d5a353e7a@mail.gmail.com> References: <88d636060607130627j70ff9ca6g6125746d5a353e7a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:07:05 -0300 Message-Id: <1152810425.4949.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.152 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.460, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.152 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:07:12 -0000 Il giorno gio, 13/07/2006 alle 09.27 -0400, Kevin Kubasik ha scritto: > Regardless, It appears one > of Debian's servers was compromised This is not the first time a Debian server is compromised, and the last time it happened it was much worse. As far as I can tell, both times it was a combination of a developer password being sniffed together with a rootkit, and that is exactly the reason gnome.org users do not have passwords. -- Guilherme de S. Pastore fatalerror From qub333@gmail.com Thu Jul 13 18:07:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D8243B059C for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:07:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09073-09 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:07:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 446FF3B0601 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:07:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id 57so306129pya for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:07:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.103.12 with SMTP id f12mr939752pym; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:07:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.8.13 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:07:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <88d636060607131107p463c4499oc1cfa79f8b96331b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:07:11 -0400 From: "Kevin Kubasik" Sender: qub333@gmail.com To: "Guilherme de S. Pastore" Subject: Re: Debian Server Compramise In-Reply-To: <1152810425.4949.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <88d636060607130627j70ff9ca6g6125746d5a353e7a@mail.gmail.com> <1152810425.4949.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Google-Sender-Auth: b90bedbebcb5fb1d X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.409 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.009, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.409 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:07:15 -0000 Sounds peachy :) I am surprised to hear that the debian accounts have passwords and are not exclusivly keys. O well, Kevin Kubasik On 7/13/06, Guilherme de S. Pastore wrote: > Il giorno gio, 13/07/2006 alle 09.27 -0400, Kevin Kubasik ha scritto: > > Regardless, It appears one > > of Debian's servers was compromised > > This is not the first time a Debian server is compromised, and the last > time it happened it was much worse. As far as I can tell, both times it > was a combination of a developer password being sniffed together with a > rootkit, and that is exactly the reason gnome.org users do not have > passwords. > > -- > Guilherme de S. Pastore > fatalerror > > _______________________________________________ > Gnome-infrastructure mailing list > Gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-infrastructure > -- Cheers, Kevin Kubasik http://kubasik.net/blog From qub333@gmail.com Sat Jul 15 23:57:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00ACD3B00CC for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:57:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03265-05 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:57:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.192]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DB853B014C for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:57:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id t10so478191wxc for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 16:57:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.32.11 with SMTP id f11mr1206096wxf; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 16:57:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.109? ( [69.140.109.194]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id i17sm5034088wxd.2006.07.15.16.57.42; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 16:57:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <44B980E1.9020403@kubasik.net> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 19:57:21 -0400 From: Kevin Kubasik User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060615) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Duplicate modules in SVN migration plan X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 OpenPGP: id=43337DF4; url=http://kubasik.net/KevinKubasik.asc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: Kevin Kubasik X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.363 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.037, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.363 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:57:47 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 I just noticed that beagle is scheduled to be migrated twice, once with the first priority list, and once in the third. I don't know if it would actually be detrimental if this happened, but to save time we should probably check for any other duplicates. http://www.gnome.org/~rossg/migration-priority-1.list http://www.gnome.org/~rossg/migration-priority-2.list http://www.gnome.org/~rossg/migration-priority-3.list - -- Cheers, Kevin Kubasik 240-838-6616 http://kubasik.net/blog -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iQIVAwUBRLmA4f3xZFNDM330AQh5gg/+P6zwWLGACfPwoHPbYp3gIuo4j4dra7Or vkIIk5BgA0Kc2OdFuz7nqAoTM9VUBJ4er6osBDNvdemznljnVuR3DUYj38OKLW+B Nm1YGD7OkO6UbOPdUq1y3V7HJY4+So1I6jmi2KaP5yZpLI8RdaidLrBwjIuqE4G9 Va17lCdv9tjJEm0bg42EDIPVRreIe/lZAxq1BcpzIr2nFP62a/fdiqkKo1s3Rhah 9KgbHiGmOqF/DbnYiclFax0P9Zfqp2v4RrtTWnltEy/C5MreNXADxhu0E9dizwt/ CEkidcYbcKuk1UG8KrnUBgfBw7pEzvzCa+VSzMxr6MEkbo6qsfq9fZJh9bkSt+Af PhQr6umrani+S4HSWXvMCFfvpXhimH8ycFBrroIODYiCPEG5BfzUCI+roL0t8bRJ CxmrM4W2mIc5BchNACPh2ocz7RbFVMSdDSJN/nab3jw01QGv7p01cxEeyIomV845 6Am/b4M+UAYXW4TNP12sxkU2bakGEPYyyTaok2PW/3ptNIqJUCcQUdRogkbtJYia 0MYaYCYxp6VR5a7AvKuuPNljjWiuQorGupRlQIH9r9CnUkLiM84vKqVKeN8yEtDR NbxxxxQkSed0Q32qe+uGn1ML+MTm2EUkIg68Je9xRp6MRDYPvYrlMP9adpbrhCW6 /8ZxVWCLqag= =iRhu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From behdad.esfahbod@gmail.com Sun Jul 16 00:34:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8112C3B010B for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:34:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04630-05 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:34:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.228]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB0323B010A for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:34:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i4so345792wra for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 17:34:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.84.1 with SMTP id h1mr870112wrb; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 17:34:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.190.5? ( [72.136.156.47]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 5sm1296541wrh.2006.07.15.17.34.15; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 17:34:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Subversion migration in progress: CVS is now read-only From: Behdad Esfahbod To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20060715000727.GE655@waugh.id.au> References: <20060715000727.GE655@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 20:34:14 -0400 Message-Id: <1153010054.23526.13.camel@home> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 (2.6.2-1.fc5.5) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: Behdad Esfahbod X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.476 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.076, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.476 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:34:19 -0000 On Fri, 2006-07-14 at 20:07 -0400, Jeff Waugh wrote: > Good morning, freedom lovers! > > The migration from CVS to Subversion has begun. As of 00:00 UTC, CVS is read > only, and modules are being imported into the new Subversion repository. For > more information about the Subversion migration, please read: > > http://live.gnome.org/Subversion > > You can track modules during migration at... http://svn.gnome.org/migration/ Can we get Pango migrated before Monday? I'll be in away for conferences next week and expect to commit. Thanks behdad > Thanks, > > - Jeff > > -- > linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ > > 'unf' is walking into a door. > 'untz' is walking into a drum kit. -- behdad http://behdad.org/ "Commandment Three says Do Not Kill, Amendment Two says Blood Will Spill" -- Dan Bern, "New American Language" From jdub@waugh.id.au Sun Jul 16 00:49:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 283D93B012B for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:49:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05706-02 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:49:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 057D93B010B for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:49:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48F093D973 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:49:48 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E7AD63F3C; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:49:39 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:49:39 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: GNOME Infrastructure Subject: More ping-a-lings Message-ID: <20060716004939.GB2821@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME Infrastructure MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 Reply-By: Wed Jul 19 10:49:26 EST 2006 X-Uptime: 10:49:27 up 11 days, 4:06, 7 users, load average: 0.09, 0.03, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.45 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.45 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:49:50 -0000 Hey. Ping. Y'know? - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "I think hot Chinese girls who kick ass are the wave of the future, as far as films go." - Cody Russell From jdub@perkypants.org Sun Jul 16 01:18:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BED2E3B010B for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 01:18:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06784-01 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 01:18:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA01F3B0161 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 01:18:31 +0000 (UTC) To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: ping Message-Id: <20060716011831.AA01F3B0161@menubar.gnome.org> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 01:18:31 +0000 (UTC) From: jdub@perkypants.org X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.131 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-2.300, BAYES_40=-0.185, MSGID_FROM_MTA_ID=1.393, NO_REAL_NAME=0.961] X-Spam-Score: -0.131 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 01:18:51 -0000 ping From ross@golder.org Sun Jul 16 05:23:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 991A03B023E for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:23:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28215-04 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:23:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 866B03B0185 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:23:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9CD44BAF; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:23:21 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qnmoVn4Z6KF9; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:23:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from [172.16.2.40] (unknown [125.24.65.255]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05D944BAE; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:23:16 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Duplicate modules in SVN migration plan From: Ross Golder To: Kevin Kubasik In-Reply-To: <44B980E1.9020403@kubasik.net> References: <44B980E1.9020403@kubasik.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 12:22:26 +0700 Message-Id: <1153027363.7084.24.camel@rossg-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.531 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.068, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.531 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:23:24 -0000 On ส., 2006-07-15 at 19:57 -0400, Kevin Kubasik wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 > > I just noticed that beagle is scheduled to be migrated twice, once with > the first priority list, and once in the third. I don't know if it would > actually be detrimental if this happened, but to save time we should > probably check for any other duplicates. > http://www.gnome.org/~rossg/migration-priority-1.list > http://www.gnome.org/~rossg/migration-priority-2.list > http://www.gnome.org/~rossg/migration-priority-3.list Duplicates aren't a problem. The script ignores any it's already converted. -- Ross From ross@golder.org Sun Jul 16 05:24:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56F283B0182 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:24:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28230-07 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:24:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2730E3B013A for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:24:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CB8D4BAF; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:24:51 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TkilWK6d33z5; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:24:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from [172.16.2.40] (unknown [125.24.65.255]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA7734BAE; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:24:46 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Subversion migration in progress: CVS is now read-only From: Ross Golder To: Behdad Esfahbod In-Reply-To: <1153010054.23526.13.camel@home> References: <20060715000727.GE655@waugh.id.au> <1153010054.23526.13.camel@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 12:24:08 +0700 Message-Id: <1153027465.7084.27.camel@rossg-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.531 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.068, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.531 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:24:53 -0000 On ส., 2006-07-15 at 20:34 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > On Fri, 2006-07-14 at 20:07 -0400, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > Good morning, freedom lovers! > > > > The migration from CVS to Subversion has begun. As of 00:00 UTC, CVS is read > > only, and modules are being imported into the new Subversion repository. For > > more information about the Subversion migration, please read: > > > > http://live.gnome.org/Subversion > > > > You can track modules during migration at... http://svn.gnome.org/migration/ > > Can we get Pango migrated before Monday? I'll be in away for > conferences next week and expect to commit. > > Thanks > behdad > Migration's cancelled for now. You should be able to commit to CVS as before. -- Ross From ross@golder.org Sun Jul 16 05:25:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 000873B0182 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:25:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28229-07 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:25:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02D2F3B01B3 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:25:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 491A24BAF; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:25:53 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8OujsJLllDpw; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:25:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from [172.16.2.40] (unknown [125.24.65.255]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32D804BAE; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:25:48 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: More ping-a-lings From: Ross Golder To: Jeff Waugh In-Reply-To: <20060716004939.GB2821@waugh.id.au> References: <20060716004939.GB2821@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 12:25:11 +0700 Message-Id: <1153027528.7084.29.camel@rossg-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.532 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.067, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.532 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Infrastructure X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:25:55 -0000 On อา., 2006-07-16 at 10:49 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > Hey. Ping. Y'know? > Yeah, pong and all. -- Ross From olav@bkor.dhs.org Sun Jul 16 08:42:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 075D33B00CB for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:42:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01572-05 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:42:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from amsfep11-int.chello.nl (amsfep17-int.chello.nl [213.46.243.15]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D9D3B006E for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:42:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bkor.dhs.org ([24.132.164.94]) by amsfep11-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with ESMTP id <20060716083254.LLQL1153.amsfep11-int.chello.nl@bkor.dhs.org> for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:32:54 +0200 Received: by bkor.dhs.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id DB6B263A2C4; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:42:11 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:42:11 +0200 From: Olav Vitters To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Re: Duplicate modules in SVN migration plan Message-ID: <20060716084211.GB18187@bkor.dhs.org> References: <44B980E1.9020403@kubasik.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <44B980E1.9020403@kubasik.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.335 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.071, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.335 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:42:28 -0000 On Sat, Jul 15, 2006 at 07:57:21PM -0400, Kevin Kubasik wrote: > I just noticed that beagle is scheduled to be migrated twice, once with > the first priority list, and once in the third. I don't know if it would > actually be detrimental if this happened, but to save time we should > probably check for any other duplicates. Thanks for the heads up. This has already been thought of. Modules would not have been converted twice. -- Regards, Olav From mneptok@mneptok.com Sun Jul 16 08:50:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6B233B02E2 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:50:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01947-02 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:50:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from squishy.internetofdeath.com (squishy.internetofdeath.com [198.145.247.148]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83F303B023A for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:50:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from new-host.home (mneptok.com [64.26.155.12]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by squishy.internetofdeath.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF8262CC5CA; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 01:48:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: ping From: Kurt von Finck To: jdub@perkypants.org In-Reply-To: <20060716011831.AA01F3B0161@menubar.gnome.org> References: <20060716011831.AA01F3B0161@menubar.gnome.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 04:50:20 -0400 Message-Id: <1153039820.10117.5.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.464 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.464 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:50:29 -0000 On Sun, 2006-07-16 at 01:18 +0000, jdub@perkypants.org wrote: > ping pong? ./k kurt von finck -- http://www.mneptok.com mneptok@mneptok.com -- public key at: pgp.mit.edu server key id: 5229D26A -- Success is more a function of consistent common sense than it is of genius. - An Wang -- From jdub@waugh.id.au Sun Jul 16 10:53:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF8723B03A1 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:53:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07110-03 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:53:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33BE73B0393 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:53:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F92C3D992 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 20:53:44 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C89E33F3C; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 20:53:38 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 20:53:38 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: GNOME Infrastructure Subject: round-trip test Message-ID: <20060716105338.GD2821@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME Infrastructure MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Reply-By: Wed Jul 19 20:53:14 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 20:53:14 up 11 days, 14:10, 8 users, load average: 0.08, 0.03, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.441 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.023, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.441 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:53:46 -0000 It is not necessary to answer this mail. When it hits the list, I will receive it too... :-) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ No match for "LINUSWEARSTHEPANTS.ORG". From jdub@waugh.id.au Sun Jul 16 11:17:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60E2B3B0074 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:17:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09261-03 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:17:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B27C3B01B4 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:17:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0A463D998 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 21:17:31 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 713213F3C; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 21:17:28 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 21:17:28 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Re: round-trip test Message-ID: <20060716111728.GE2821@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org References: <20060716105338.GD2821@waugh.id.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060716105338.GD2821@waugh.id.au> Reply-By: Wed Jul 19 21:09:33 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 21:09:33 up 11 days, 14:26, 8 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.441 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.023, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.441 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:17:33 -0000 > It is not necessary to answer this mail. When it hits the list, I will > receive it too... :-) Ignoring the time between my laptop and my mail server (I use fetchmail, so it's going to be terribly inconsistent): Received: from node.waugh.id.au by menubar.gnome.org; 10:53:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org by node.waugh.id.au; 20:53:48 +1000 (EST) There's no significant clock skew between them. Let's call it at worst case, one second, and we around about a 5 second round-trip which *includes* going through Amavis. :-) (That's for a small list, though. But the latest round-trip times on the big lists are looking good too.) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ No pants is good pants. From olav@bkor.dhs.org Sun Jul 16 11:33:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 138943B0074 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:33:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09858-05 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:33:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from amsfep17-int.chello.nl (unknown [213.46.243.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 654283B01DD for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:33:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bkor.dhs.org ([24.132.164.94]) by amsfep13-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with ESMTP id <20060716113301.VKMP1849.amsfep13-int.chello.nl@bkor.dhs.org> for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 13:33:01 +0200 Received: by bkor.dhs.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id DA9B263A482; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 13:33:00 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 13:33:00 +0200 From: Olav Vitters To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Re: round-trip test Message-ID: <20060716113300.GC18187@bkor.dhs.org> References: <20060716105338.GD2821@waugh.id.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060716105338.GD2821@waugh.id.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.402 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.003, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.402 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:33:32 -0000 On Sun, Jul 16, 2006 at 08:53:38PM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > It is not necessary to answer this mail. When it hits the list, I will > receive it too... :-) But I want to test the roundtrip as well! -- Regards, Olav From qgil@desdeamericaconamor.org Tue Jul 4 02:52:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C9A33B0092 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 02:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06883-10 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 02:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from servidor.almenara.org (unknown [213.149.238.22]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 81FD53B000B for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 02:52:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29011 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2006 06:52:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.1.33]) (83.55.166.228) by 213.149.238.22 with SMTP; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 06:52:05 +0000 Subject: GNOME Infrastructure update From: Quim Gil To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-vAmU+KNGSnoeHLbQ3EqN" Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 08:52:04 +0200 Message-Id: <1151995924.5109.22.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.501 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=1.098, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -1.501 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 06:52:08 -0000 --=-vAmU+KNGSnoeHLbQ3EqN Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there, The GNOME Foundation board has received some offers for getting free servers and bandwidth for the GNOME infrastructure. In the line of stepping out of the way, delegate, let things get done, etc, we think the board role here is to set the initial contacts and then leave the details and the decisions to the Infrastructure team. These offers include server co-location out of RedHat, in the own infrastructures of each donor/host. We could probably get some more help from Advisory Board companies if we need it. These steps would imply the move to a more decentralized infrastructure. I am no sysadmin myself, nor I pretend to. All the planning and decisions to face this decentralization process need to come from the GNOME Infrastructure team, obviously. Hopefully I can help as a contact with the board and initial contact with potential donors/hosts. --=20 Quim Gil /// http://desdeamericaconamor.org | http://guadec.org --=-vAmU+KNGSnoeHLbQ3EqN Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEqhAUBEzHYk6x634RAhS4AJ4lhGxdEBQsJzjxhnXnr3wG/0gUgQCeP0E8 xuDkJR5ZP6rfrzCj4ahJqTo= =019R -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-vAmU+KNGSnoeHLbQ3EqN-- From ross@golder.org Tue Jul 4 05:03:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63B0B3B02CB for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 05:03:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15848-03 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 05:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E56CF3B01AA for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 05:03:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60EDF40DD; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 10:03:32 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ojZSWEtJ0ipo; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 10:03:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from red (unknown [125.24.92.184]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8101B40DB; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 10:03:26 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: GNOME Infrastructure update From: Ross Golder To: Quim Gil In-Reply-To: <1151995924.5109.22.camel@localhost> References: <1151995924.5109.22.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 16:03:16 +0700 Message-Id: <1152003797.10588.22.camel@red> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.515 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.084, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.515 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 09:03:37 -0000 On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 08:52 +0200, Quim Gil wrote: > Hi there, > > The GNOME Foundation board has received some offers for getting free > servers and bandwidth for the GNOME infrastructure. In the line of > stepping out of the way, delegate, let things get done, etc, we think > the board role here is to set the initial contacts and then leave the > details and the decisions to the Infrastructure team. > > These offers include server co-location out of RedHat, in the own > infrastructures of each donor/host. We could probably get some more help > from Advisory Board companies if we need it. These steps would imply the > move to a more decentralized infrastructure. > > I am no sysadmin myself, nor I pretend to. All the planning and > decisions to face this decentralization process need to come from the > GNOME Infrastructure team, obviously. Hopefully I can help as a contact > with the board and initial contact with potential donors/hosts. > Co-incidentally enough, we have just started a discussion about this on the internal gnome-sysadmin team. We are aware of a very attractive offer of servers and hosting from one other donor, and were discussing the advantages that they are able to offer us over our existing arrangements. I am in contact with them directly already. I'm not sure yet what information/offers I can make public, but I'll pass on the details here when I know I can :) There are a few small issues we will need to discuss and agree on internally within the sysadmin team first, such as the ifs, whos, hows and whens, etc. I'll then draft up some kind of 'master plan and schedule' and post it for review here on 'gnome-infrastructure' (copied to 'board-list'). If you have any other information to add, such as new/other donors interested in offering servers or hosting, please forward the details on to the team ('gnome-sysadmin@gnome.org') so we can contact them directly and factor their offers into our discussions and decisions. Thanks, -- Ross From qgil@desdeamericaconamor.org Tue Jul 4 05:27:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A437D3B0199 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 05:27:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17269-09 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 05:27:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from servidor.almenara.org (unknown [213.149.238.22]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 468D23B012E for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 05:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14609 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2006 09:27:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.1.33]) (83.55.166.228) by 213.149.238.22 with SMTP; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 09:27:12 +0000 Subject: Re: GNOME Infrastructure update From: Quim Gil To: Ross Golder In-Reply-To: <1152003797.10588.22.camel@red> References: <1151995924.5109.22.camel@localhost> <1152003797.10588.22.camel@red> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-S0+rbrNOzBhtVtApTThm" Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 11:27:11 +0200 Message-Id: <1152005232.5109.99.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.536 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=1.063, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -1.536 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 09:27:16 -0000 --=-S0+rbrNOzBhtVtApTThm Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 16:03 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > I'm not sure > yet what information/offers I can make public, but I'll pass on the > details here when I know I can :) Maybe we could link a page from http://live.gnome.org/Sysadmin/Servers listing the current offers and servers underway. Those with unclear privacy could be referred using alias i.e. "4 small boxes" or "host donor". This way we would share a map of current and potential donors. --=20 Quim Gil /// http://desdeamericaconamor.org | http://guadec.org --=-S0+rbrNOzBhtVtApTThm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEqjRvBEzHYk6x634RAkmcAJ4uv/zJV9Pkg1ZyZZom8gqUPnygYACfbDPS jrAwwGGVQLX2Xq21q55jzyw= =U1TG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-S0+rbrNOzBhtVtApTThm-- From ross@golder.org Tue Jul 4 05:33:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFB953B0106 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 05:33:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17822-02 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 05:33:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FE663B0204 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 05:33:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 576F740DD; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 10:33:07 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tXtd+ZEOR5LN; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 10:33:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from red (unknown [125.24.92.184]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A719040DB; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 10:33:03 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: GNOME Infrastructure update From: Ross Golder To: Quim Gil In-Reply-To: <1152005232.5109.99.camel@localhost> References: <1151995924.5109.22.camel@localhost> <1152003797.10588.22.camel@red> <1152005232.5109.99.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 16:32:56 +0700 Message-Id: <1152005576.10728.3.camel@red> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.519 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.080, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.519 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 09:33:10 -0000 On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 11:27 +0200, Quim Gil wrote: > On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 16:03 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > I'm not sure > > yet what information/offers I can make public, but I'll pass on the > > details here when I know I can :) > > Maybe we could link a page from http://live.gnome.org/Sysadmin/Servers > listing the current offers and servers underway. Those with unclear > privacy could be referred using alias i.e. "4 small boxes" or "host > donor". > > This way we would share a map of current and potential donors. > Sounds like a good plan to me. I can't see it'd be a problem to publicise any offers we get. I'll check first though. -- Ross From otaylor@redhat.com Tue Jul 4 11:34:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58E223B01CC for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 11:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10740-04 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 11:33:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0597A3B0115 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 11:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k64FXvU1006453; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 11:33:57 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k64FXvqQ002713; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 11:33:57 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k64FXuD6008141; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 11:33:57 -0400 Subject: Re: GNOME Infrastructure update From: Owen Taylor To: Quim Gil In-Reply-To: <1152005232.5109.99.camel@localhost> References: <1151995924.5109.22.camel@localhost> <1152003797.10588.22.camel@red> <1152005232.5109.99.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 08:33:59 -0400 Message-Id: <1152016440.14779.160.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 (2.6.1-1.fc5.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.422 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.044, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.422 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 15:34:00 -0000 On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 11:27 +0200, Quim Gil wrote: > On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 16:03 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > I'm not sure > > yet what information/offers I can make public, but I'll pass on the > > details here when I know I can :) > > Maybe we could link a page from http://live.gnome.org/Sysadmin/Servers > listing the current offers and servers underway. Those with unclear > privacy could be referred using alias i.e. "4 small boxes" or "host > donor". > > This way we would share a map of current and potential donors. I think it would be much better to have a real discussion in private than an obfusticated and unclear discussion in public. It would be a mistake to make major decisions without having concrete full proposals on the table, and I doubt potential hosting donors would want that discussion going on in public. Owen From qgil@desdeamericaconamor.org Wed Jul 5 01:52:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCB413B00DD for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 01:52:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17980-03 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 01:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from servidor.almenara.org (unknown [213.149.238.22]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9BDAB3B0087 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 01:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 6217 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jul 2006 05:52:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.1.33]) (83.55.173.66) by 213.149.238.22 with SMTP; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 05:52:45 +0000 Subject: Re: GNOME Infrastructure update From: Quim Gil To: Owen Taylor In-Reply-To: <1152016440.14779.160.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1151995924.5109.22.camel@localhost> <1152003797.10588.22.camel@red> <1152005232.5109.99.camel@localhost> <1152016440.14779.160.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-kNhMFgwMcxYSiD0jFUQj" Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 07:52:44 +0200 Message-Id: <1152078764.5143.39.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.561 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=1.038, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -1.561 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 05:52:49 -0000 --=-kNhMFgwMcxYSiD0jFUQj Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 08:33 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: > I think it would be much better to have a real discussion in private > than an obfusticated and unclear discussion in public. It will definitely help. Are you thinking about email, phone call...? Suggest and we will follow. We are probably in a point in which we could solve our Infrastructure weaknesses, since there seems to be a context of organizations willing to help. There are many sub-discussions, though, that create dependencies between them. We should avoid the fish eating its tail. - We need to know what are the current needs and weaknesses of the GNOME infrastructure in order to know if we need more help, and which kind of help. We have been hearing the "We need more servers" claim for months, but we should move forward into a more specific statement. This is something the GNOME Infrastructure team can discuss by its own, and you decide what bits of the discussion need to be open and private. - If it's still true that we still need more resources, we need to know which are the requirements or conditions of the GNOME Infrastructure team in order to get efficient help. Some potential donors will be happy offering a server to be placed in the RedHat racks. Some potential donors will be happy co-locating a server in their own hosting infrastructure. We might find other combinations and we need to know in which cases we want to collaborate. This discussion is half the fish. - The other half of the fish is the negotiation with potential donors. To me it's not that good to start negotiations without having a clear idea of the previous points. For instance, if Serious Company X is offering us top quality hosting in their own server infrastructure we need to know if we consider useful to have resources out of the current infrastructure at RedHat or not. Having a more detailed policy about hardware requirements or permission levels or whatever you think appropriate to define would be also helpful. --=20 Quim Gil /// http://desdeamericaconamor.org | http://guadec.org --=-kNhMFgwMcxYSiD0jFUQj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEq1OsBEzHYk6x634RAk90AKCrhczJQq3oFERTzW62vllfG05EfwCffteK Un3/IqZ0qDqsc+G4Xqq0s9c= =XPQQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-kNhMFgwMcxYSiD0jFUQj-- From otaylor@redhat.com Wed Jul 5 08:10:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32C993B014A for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 08:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08905-10 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 08:10:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0CF03B00E8 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 08:10:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k65CAIZR023703; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 08:10:18 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k65CAI3U011349; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 08:10:18 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k65CAH20001123; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 08:10:17 -0400 Subject: Re: GNOME Infrastructure update From: Owen Taylor To: Quim Gil In-Reply-To: <1152078764.5143.39.camel@localhost> References: <1151995924.5109.22.camel@localhost> <1152003797.10588.22.camel@red> <1152005232.5109.99.camel@localhost> <1152016440.14779.160.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1152078764.5143.39.camel@localhost> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-jFD+e+zYcs46CUZ3n4jr" Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 05:10:16 -0400 Message-Id: <1152090616.14779.167.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 (2.6.1-1.fc5.2) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.183 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.195, BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=0.478, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.183 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 12:10:23 -0000 --=-jFD+e+zYcs46CUZ3n4jr Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2006-07-05 at 07:52 +0200, Quim Gil wrote: >=20 > On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 08:33 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: >=20 > > I think it would be much better to have a real discussion in private > > than an obfusticated and unclear discussion in public. >=20 > It will definitely help. Are you thinking about email, phone call...? Well, for the short term, I was mostly suggesting that this conversation could be better held on private mailing lists (gnome-sysadmin / board-list) rather than here on gnome-infrastructure. I don't think it's possible to hold this conversation in public and be sufficiently clear. At some point it might make sense to invite Ross to one of the GNOME Board conference calls, but that seems premature at this point; as you say, there are lots of confused intertwined strands of conversation. - Owen --=-jFD+e+zYcs46CUZ3n4jr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEq4H4S+2LB0B90LERAq+EAKCdie4muIGWQMh8nf8WQBAWe7GMRwCfSzmZ EWnOT2wuCjKQQe38slrUCnc= =TPD2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-jFD+e+zYcs46CUZ3n4jr-- From qub333@gmail.com Thu Jul 6 07:58:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D4783B021E for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 07:58:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21926-04 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 07:57:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.205]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF29C3B034E for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 07:57:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id t5so2375204wxc for ; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 04:57:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.44.18 with SMTP id r18mr10677220wxr; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 04:57:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.109? ( [69.140.109.194]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id h11sm5941911wxd.2006.07.06.04.57.55; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 04:57:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <44ACFAC2.20507@kubasik.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 07:57:54 -0400 From: Kevin Kubasik User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060705) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Mail archives giving a 404 when searched X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 OpenPGP: id=43337DF4; url=http://kubasik.net/KevinKubasik.asc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: Kevin Kubasik X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.327 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.073, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.327 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 11:58:00 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 I dunno if this was already known, or if it was an outstanding bug, go to an active mailing list archive like http://mail.gnome.org/archives/dashboard-hackers/ and type in a search term, you'll get a Not Found message. Seemed like this was more infrastructures territory than the web team, so I thought I'd go here first. If its there thing, I can file a bug. - -- Cheers, Kevin Kubasik 240-838-6616 http://kubasik.net/blog -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iQIVAwUBRKz6wv3xZFNDM330AQixkxAAluJvMvdW4lbDkBE25FhaEpaOgFEIbneR kehaab5ll/41sKSKDEmYhuG1kxgDHKYmhOCninM9i1wPJ6raXsdsDcAaTl+c9TTO SroXzm2R8ngRHN5l9c9tLmoXWyYQmYlQ/rEvIf0GXGZGDh5q7+Onx2QTUkD0GFwY tIUH575za3awil20NM4MpvnHuz85/QcllPdEunAbiWg4UNLjNrpHiWUjQRYmWq8i BYB/rQ/7W2dD8Jef8nfgyIfal2JLqNADvbd1yL1dQBj1dcdruB6OLMCrxgNAFzK6 pR4mzcxT8FDON0oWCc23BtDROR8ZfLbgGmzXNeqxX0FBCNtWt+We1wmlQxLPlMCg bjJZtOGBEFz2+rvMjhxtgmqid2k3V23kU0L1S7IpCpZfFdSM2o+6qhreK9f9jVNI dQYfLUpbYb0mxnMgTzB/3/HtTTp29hgnjvSSXOSRPVRPKOiskol2X2rt03ZI6smy 3pG5YEPzJuY4Bf6t3oxo57VNhdHZvQMemsXxoMwxpxo/NqKxQZ/gqa8KMh5LGI6d EQQB11lKi9J6ZnZ0saryDo7fNTn/CxOLeDiuXSn1lBJyq4+cw4J7KMCNcOVwfUYA iIDhBF77aYFe1ZYsNu3ane2nzaxvKEVZPdnwhXA3hua/v7C3eZUbtuMpYfTNlwl8 zx7yC5aH4H8= =ttra -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gpastore@gnome.org Thu Jul 6 10:07:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53B8A3B00EA for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 10:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31412-08 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 10:07:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bundure.hst.terra.com.br (bundure.hst.terra.com.br [200.176.10.195]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C09B53B0123 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 10:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ladigue.hst.terra.com.br (ladigue.hst.terra.com.br [200.176.10.10]) by bundure.hst.terra.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 100EB9A0369 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 11:07:19 -0300 (BRT) X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: d5c325b9779ab8e5db6259283ca87d33 Received-SPF: none (ladigue.hst.terra.com.br: 200.176.10.10 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of gnome.org) client-ip=200.176.10.10; envelope-from=gpastore@gnome.org; helo=[192.168.1.3]; Received: from [192.168.1.3] (unknown [201.52.45.156]) (authenticated user guilherme.pastore) by ladigue.hst.terra.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE2B51594114 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 11:07:18 -0300 (BRT) Subject: Re: Mail archives giving a 404 when searched From: "Guilherme de S. Pastore" To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <44ACFAC2.20507@kubasik.net> References: <44ACFAC2.20507@kubasik.net> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 11:07:17 -0300 Message-Id: <1152194837.9903.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.555 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.044, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.555 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 14:07:22 -0000 Il giorno gio, 06/07/2006 alle 07.57 -0400, Kevin Kubasik ha scritto: > I dunno if this was already known Yes, it is a known issue, there is a RT ticket for it, and it is being worked on. Thanks anyway. Yours, Guilherme de S. Pastore The GNOME Sysadmin Team From jdub@waugh.id.au Fri Jul 7 03:14:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DFB13B013A for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 03:14:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25436-04 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 03:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9BA63B00B8 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 03:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 583773C75B; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 17:13:43 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 84BC04158; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 17:13:37 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 17:13:37 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: Matthew Galgoci Subject: Firewall modification request Message-ID: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: Matthew Galgoci , GNOME Infrastructure MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Reply-By: Mon Jul 10 17:09:37 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 17:09:37 up 2 days, 10:27, 7 users, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.02 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.447 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.447 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Infrastructure X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 07:14:11 -0000 Hi Matthew, Could you please open the following ports to label.gnome.org: 5222/tcp 5223/tcp 5269/tcp Thanks, - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ From ross@golder.org Fri Jul 7 07:15:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73F603B015F for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 07:15:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10411-01 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 07:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D7733B04B4 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 07:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 313014BA5; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 12:15:14 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kJ+yv5PSspJW; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 12:15:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from red (unknown [125.24.68.166]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F9BB4BA4; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 12:15:08 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Firewall modification request From: Ross Golder To: Jeff Waugh In-Reply-To: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> References: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 18:14:59 +0700 Message-Id: <1152270899.9439.0.camel@red> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.53 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.069, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.53 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Infrastructure , Matthew Galgoci X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 11:15:20 -0000 On Fri, 2006-07-07 at 17:13 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > Hi Matthew, > > Could you please open the following ports to label.gnome.org: > > 5222/tcp > 5223/tcp > 5269/tcp > > Thanks, Here's the inevitable question - 'What're they for?' :) -- Ross From jdub@waugh.id.au Fri Jul 7 09:45:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E6E83B01A0 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 09:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21478-02 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 09:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C36FE3B04E4 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 09:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 773B13C257; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 23:45:29 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2D1EE4158; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 23:45:23 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 23:45:23 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: Ross Golder Subject: Re: Firewall modification request Message-ID: <20060707134523.GL655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: Ross Golder , Matthew Galgoci , GNOME Infrastructure References: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> <1152270899.9439.0.camel@red> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1152270899.9439.0.camel@red> Reply-By: Mon Jul 10 23:43:25 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 23:43:25 up 2 days, 17:00, 7 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.447 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.447 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Infrastructure , Matthew Galgoci X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 13:45:36 -0000 > > 5222/tcp > > 5223/tcp > > 5269/tcp > > Here's the inevitable question - 'What're they for?' :) The ports are kinda obvious ;-) I need them open so I can actually test it sanely, but it's going to require more work before it can go live for real. The service will be for Foundation members only at this stage. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "And if you think this fucking little tub of gold popcorn is going to remotely make up for everything we've suffered, you're sadly fucking mistaken!" - Gollum From jdub@waugh.id.au Fri Jul 7 10:56:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CBC43B0383 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27409-08 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 596913B03E7 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id C107E3C75C for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2006 00:56:54 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 54A2A4158; Sat, 8 Jul 2006 00:56:48 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 00:56:48 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: GNOME Infrastructure Subject: Re: Firewall modification request Message-ID: <20060707145648.GO655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME Infrastructure References: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Reply-By: Tue Jul 11 00:55:59 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 00:55:59 up 2 days, 18:13, 7 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.447 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.447 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 14:56:58 -0000 > Easy enough, just what are they for in case I'm asked? (Replied off-list.) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "Women are too irrational to be crazed killers anyway." - Angus Lees From jdub@waugh.id.au Fri Jul 7 18:40:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 161933B00F6 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 18:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25320-07 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 18:40:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B0483B016E for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 18:40:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 296DC3C72E; Sat, 8 Jul 2006 08:40:11 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4575B415B; Sat, 8 Jul 2006 08:40:07 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 08:40:07 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: Matthew Galgoci , GNOME Infrastructure Subject: Re: Firewall modification request Message-ID: <20060707224007.GY655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: Matthew Galgoci , GNOME Infrastructure References: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> Reply-By: Tue Jul 11 08:39:52 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 08:39:52 up 3 days, 1:57, 8 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.447 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.447 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 22:40:15 -0000 > Could you please open the following ports to label.gnome.org: Thanks, mysterious console messenger. ;-) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "You know, like nunchuck skills, bowhunting skills, computer hacking skills... Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills." - Napoleon Dynamite From guilherme.pastore@terra.com.br Fri Jul 7 18:58:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D3333B0266 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 18:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26230-09 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 18:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bulimba.hst.terra.com.br (bulimba.hst.terra.com.br [200.176.10.194]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16BDE3B00EB for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 18:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from calana.hst.terra.com.br (calana.hst.terra.com.br [200.176.10.6]) by bulimba.hst.terra.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id E11E6130C0A9 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 19:58:38 -0300 (BRT) X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 63aafe514043fda6dc66cd180d57d13e Received-SPF: pass (calana.hst.terra.com.br: domain of terra.com.br designates 200.176.10.6 as permitted sender) client-ip=200.176.10.6; envelope-from=guilherme.pastore@terra.com.br; helo=[192.168.1.3]; Received: from [192.168.1.3] (unknown [201.52.45.156]) (authenticated user guilherme.pastore) by calana.hst.terra.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3D79450081 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 19:58:38 -0300 (BRT) Subject: Re: Firewall modification request From: "Guilherme de S. Pastore" To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20060707224007.GY655@waugh.id.au> References: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> <20060707224007.GY655@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 19:58:37 -0300 Message-Id: <1152313117.9124.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.084 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.392, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.084 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 22:58:41 -0000 Il giorno sab, 08/07/2006 alle 08.40 +1000, Jeff Waugh ha scritto: > > > > Could you please open the following ports to label.gnome.org: > > Thanks, mysterious console messenger. ;-) I want a mysterious console message telling me container's 3690 has been opened! Please, please, please! From ross@golder.org Sun Jul 9 07:52:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B968E3B013F; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 07:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10077-03; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 07:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 510943B00D9; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 07:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87EFE4BA5; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 12:36:49 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OUPkuuujUZzH; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 12:36:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from red (unknown [125.24.66.135]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19BF64BA4; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 12:36:39 +0100 (BST) Subject: Subversion migration recap (cut-off Friday July 14th) From: Ross Golder To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 18:36:27 +0700 Message-Id: <1152444988.9101.16.camel@red> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.493 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.029, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.493 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Infrastructure , foundation-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 11:52:28 -0000 Hi guys, I hope you have all recovered from GUADEC. As you have all probably long forgotten by now, we are scheduled to migrate the GNOME CVS repository to Subversion next weekend. Friday night at 23:59UTC to be precise. That means that the migration will probably be under way this time next week. Here's an update on the status of the main issues. Archive history issues ---------------------- Unfortunately, during it's lifetime the GNOME CVS server has suffered several accidental clock resets (to a point in 1997). The timestamps listed in some of the CVS ',v' files are not always correct and in chronological order. This led to some problems high-lighted by James Henstridge: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-infrastructure/2006-February/msg00059.html Despite lengthy discussions with Michael Haggerty, the current maintainer of cvs2svn, and several patches attempting to work around the problem, it seems that it is unlikely that we'll be able to eliminate the problem entirely - only use the patches we've developed to alleviate the problem in the many cases. The most recent few mail exchanges on the subject are archived here: http://cvs2svn.tigris.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=dev&by=date&from=2006-07-01&to=2006-07-31&first=1&count=4 At any rate, we will not be able to rely on the subversion archive to recreate historical versions. To a certain extent, we can't really rely on the CVS archive either, as various 'CVS surgery' operations will have taken place over the years, in addition to the clockskew problems. However, I will make sure the CVS archives stay on-line in read-only/anonymous mode indefinitely in order to keep that history publicly available as it was at the time of the cut-off. The thing to remember is that this issue will only affect a small minority of the GNOME modules - the majority, esp newer modules, won't suffer this problem and you should still be able to retrieve reasonably faithful historical checkouts from either system in most cases. Migration order --------------- One downside will be that to migrate the entire CVS repository is that we have a *lot* of history. Current indications are that - worse case scenario - it could take the best part of a month to complete. Obviously, lots of hackers aren't going to want to wait this long before they can continue making commits to their module. So this is how I'm thinking of determining the migration order. We have three 'priority' lists, and then the rest. The first priority list will contain a list of any modules developers specifically request are treated as priority, as they expect to be working with them within hours/days of the migration cut-off (send your requests to me off the list now). The second priority list will contain a list of other modules we consider relatively urgent, such as the 'www.gnome.org' website in case we decide to change anything about of homepage. The third priority list is compiled from a list of the most active modules from the last year in activity order (compiled from a query on 'bonsai-svn' from a fairly recent test migration). Then, the whole list of modules is processed for any not handled above. This can be seen in the migration script 'create-svnrepos.sh', which is linked to and explained here: http://live.gnome.org/Subversion Obviously, at 23:59UTC the whole CVS archive will become read-only. As each CVS module is being migrated to a Subversion repository, it will be available read-only (for checkout and in viewcvs). When each module's subversion repository has been successfully migrated, the repository perms will reset so GNOME developers can proceed to make commits. As each module gets migrated, an '.out' file will be generated containing the output of the cvs2svn run (for the curious). These can be quite big sometimes, so the last few lines (containing the migration statistics) will be directed into a '.tail' file and the whole output file is bzip2'ed down. You should be able to see this happening here for the running test migration here: http://svn.gnome.org/migration/ As you can see from the date-stamps, the recent test migration is currently only migrating 25-30 reasonable sized modules a day. We currently have over 860 modules, so it could be about a month before all the modules have been migrated and are ready. I think I can get this time down with a few changes to the script to make better use of SMP etc, but the bottleneck will probably become I/O. Good thing we weren't thinking about creating a monolithic repository, eh?! :) Now would be an ideal opportunity to let us know about any old CVS modules you know about that are redundant, so we can put them out of the way in the Attic before the migration. Shouldn't we be cancelling or postponing the migration again? ------------------------------------------------------------- I don't believe the history problems warrant us postponing or cancelling the migration (again). If we do, it is unlikely that these problems will ever be solved and we will probably be stuck with CVS until the cows come home. We must move forward. However, I expect there will be some who feel may feel a bit edgy about the migration. So, unless I hear otherwise, either from the board or if a significant number of people raise objections in the next week (or both), the migration will begin as scheduled next weekend, using our current best-effort clock-skew alleviation patches. I will obviously continue to do everything I can to ensure that all the angles are covered and that the actual migration goes as smoothly and efficiently as possible. More information ---------------- Anything else I have thought of and/or covered should be written up here: http://live.gnome.org/Subversion Please send questions or comments to 'gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org', or drop by on irc.gnome.org/#sysadmin. Thanks. -- Ross From murrayc@murrayc.com Sun Jul 9 08:39:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE5FC3B008D for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 08:39:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10917-07 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 08:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from swarthymail-a3.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-61.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.61]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A71443B0007 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 08:39:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from noname (p5497D055.dip.t-dialin.net [84.151.208.85]) by swarthymail-a3.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D605C7F019; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 05:37:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: www.gtkmm.org hosting From: Murray Cumming To: Ross Golder In-Reply-To: <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> References: <1143130036.6942.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143130109.6942.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143209101.12253.18.camel@yellow> <1143209712.5969.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144063086.6062.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1145376467.17987.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149102258.5720.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149106990.5720.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149168356.5197.5.camel@green> <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 14:37:51 +0200 Message-Id: <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.401 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.044, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_GT=0.077, TW_TK=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.401 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 12:39:31 -0000 On Sat, 2006-06-24 at 21:47 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 21:17 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > > On Thu, 2006-06-22 at 10:53 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > > OK, I've relaxed your homedir perms to 701, set up the virtualhost > > > (window:/etc/httpd/sites.d/gtkmm.org.conf) and restarted apache. > > > > > > Add '209.132.176.176 www.gtkmm.org' to your /etc/hosts and you should be > > > able to test it with your browser. I'd test it myself, but my ISP uses a > > > bloody annoying transparent caching/proxy, so I'd have to fiddle about > > > with VPNs or my own proxy to test it myself from here and I'm in a rush > > > atm. Sorry. > > > > That works, though SSI is not turned on. > > > > Sorry, my fault. An egregious typo in the Apache conf. Try again. Thanks. That seems to work now. Would this be the final location for the website files? Without wanting to appear at all ungrateful for your own hard work, it seems like we might not have the sysadmin resources to really support extra web sites. For instance, I'm not convinced that everything is documented enough that I wouldn't have to wait a few weeks to have the website restored in the event of another server hack/failure. Am I wrong about this? I might decide to use my own hosting account for this, though I'm afraid of how much bandwidth it could cost me, and other gtkmm developers would probably prefer not to depend on me either. -- Murray Cumming murrayc@murrayc.com www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com From ross@golder.org Sun Jul 9 09:19:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DD583B0080 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 09:19:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12942-03 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 09:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 916023B006C for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 09:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3F7D4BA5; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 13:55:06 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A5PI9hoPubWX; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 13:55:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from red (unknown [125.24.66.135]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC0CA4BA4; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 13:55:00 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: www.gtkmm.org hosting From: Ross Golder To: Murray Cumming In-Reply-To: <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1143130036.6942.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143130109.6942.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143209101.12253.18.camel@yellow> <1143209712.5969.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144063086.6062.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1145376467.17987.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149102258.5720.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149106990.5720.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149168356.5197.5.camel@green> <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 19:54:49 +0700 Message-Id: <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.455 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.010, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_GT=0.077, TW_TK=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.455 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 13:19:36 -0000 On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 14:37 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > On Sat, 2006-06-24 at 21:47 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 21:17 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > > > On Thu, 2006-06-22 at 10:53 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > > > OK, I've relaxed your homedir perms to 701, set up the virtualhost > > > > (window:/etc/httpd/sites.d/gtkmm.org.conf) and restarted apache. > > > > > > > > Add '209.132.176.176 www.gtkmm.org' to your /etc/hosts and you should be > > > > able to test it with your browser. I'd test it myself, but my ISP uses a > > > > bloody annoying transparent caching/proxy, so I'd have to fiddle about > > > > with VPNs or my own proxy to test it myself from here and I'm in a rush > > > > atm. Sorry. > > > > > > That works, though SSI is not turned on. > > > > > > > Sorry, my fault. An egregious typo in the Apache conf. Try again. > > Thanks. That seems to work now. > > Would this be the final location for the website files? > I was going to set up a mechanism to auto-update the site from CVS, as we have for several other sites. I was putting this off because we are planning to move to Subversion shortly, so I didn't want to have to do the job twice, iyswim. Please feel free to send a reminder about this to 'support@gnome.org' so a ticket gets set up and assigned to me so I don't forget, and I'll try to complete this when things are ready and I have a few moments. > Without wanting to appear at all ungrateful for your own hard work, it > seems like we might not have the sysadmin resources to really support > extra web sites. For instance, I'm not convinced that everything is > documented enough that I wouldn't have to wait a few weeks to have the > website restored in the event of another server hack/failure. Am I wrong > about this? > No, you're quite right - we're not quite SourceForge ;) Currently, we have a small team of volunteer sysadmins, who would rather concentrate on keeping the core GNOME services up and running than try to manage all the requests involved in maintaining a-hundred-and-one different projects domains names, websites and mailing lists. We do offer these services to those that need them and will always do our best to do as professional a job as possible (as can be expected for spare-time volunteer sysadmins). We obviously can't provide guarantees and service level agreements. > I might decide to use my own hosting account for this, though I'm afraid > of how much bandwidth it could cost me, and other gtkmm developers would > probably prefer not to depend on me either. > This is entirely your decision to make, depending on the needs of your project and the resources available to it. Given the choice between paid-for hosting (with an SLA, support contract etc) and free web hosting on the GNOME servers, I know which I'd choose ;^) -- Ross From mgalgoci@redhat.com Fri Jul 7 10:36:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45DC13B0284 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25868-06 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A27AB3B02A7 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k67EaoCB003501; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:36:50 -0400 Received: from acis.rdu.redhat.com (acis.rdu.redhat.com [10.11.255.3]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k67EanDw025329; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:36:49 -0400 Received: from acis.rdu.redhat.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by acis.rdu.redhat.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k67Ean8D010308; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:36:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (mgalgoci@localhost) by acis.rdu.redhat.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id k67EanBx010302; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:36:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: acis.rdu.redhat.com: mgalgoci owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:36:49 -0400 From: Matthew Galgoci X-X-Sender: mgalgoci@acis.rdu.redhat.com To: Jeff Waugh Subject: Re: Firewall modification request In-Reply-To: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> Message-ID: References: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 05:19:06 -0400 Cc: GNOME Infrastructure X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 14:36:58 -0000 > Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 17:13:37 +1000 > From: Jeff Waugh > To: Matthew Galgoci > Cc: GNOME Infrastructure > Subject: Firewall modification request > > Hi Matthew, > > Could you please open the following ports to label.gnome.org: > > 5222/tcp > 5223/tcp > 5269/tcp Easy enough, just what are they for in case I'm asked? -- Matthew Galgoci IS Production Operations Red Hat, Inc 919.754.3700 x44155 From murrayc@murrayc.com Mon Jul 10 05:23:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A18A53B0098 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 05:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24177-02 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 05:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail3.sd.dreamhost.com (webmail3.sd.dreamhost.com [64.111.100.15]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA5373B00C6 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 05:23:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail.murrayc.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webmail3.sd.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3775F14122; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 01:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 194.138.18.132 (proxying for unknown) (SquirrelMail authenticated user murrayc@murrayc.com) by webmail.murrayc.com with HTTP; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:28:15 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <23981.194.138.18.132.1152520095.squirrel@webmail.murrayc.com> In-Reply-To: <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> References: <1143130036.6942.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143130109.6942.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143209101.12253.18.camel@yellow> <1143209712.5969.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144063086.6062.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1145376467.17987.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149102258.5720.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149106990.5720.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149168356.5197.5.camel@green> <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:28:15 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: www.gtkmm.org hosting From: "Murray Cumming" To: "Quim Gil" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.519 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.003, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.519 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:23:29 -0000 > > On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 14:37 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > >> > seems like we might not have the sysadmin resources to really support >> > extra web sites. > > GNOME projects are not extra web sites, really. We should find a balance > between project websites requirements and sysadmin realistic resources. > > Murray, it would be great if you could start a list of requirements > based on your own needs for gtkmm.org. Then we can improve these > requirements checking with other GNOME projects, and after that we > "negotiate" with the sysadmins what can we really offer. gtkmm.org is probably the simplest web site possible, because I like to keep things simple, and I wanted to be able to easily move the site to a different host. It's just HTML with SSI, with no interactivity. If gtkmm.org uses the same system as www.gnome.org - svn/cvs checkout at the moment, then I'll be reasonably happy about it, and I can move it away again fairly quickly if necessary. I think I'm being too cautious. So, I'll happily wait for the svn transition and try hosting gtkmm.org on the GNOME servers. > With this we get a official and documented offer to GNOME projects. > Those happy with it can come and be served. Those with special needs can > try to increase the requirements accepted or go elsewhere. > > None of this solves your problem now, it will be helpful in the future > though. Feel free to suggest a timeline for the planning process at > http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/DevelopmentTimeline Murray Cumming murrayc@murrayc.com www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com From ross@golder.org Mon Jul 10 13:02:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99D013B01B2 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:02:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06476-05 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 729EE3B018E for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E8634BA4; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:05:45 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iZm4+SSHqUup; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:05:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from red (unknown [125.24.65.168]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 662D94BA5; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:05:36 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: www.gtkmm.org hosting From: Ross Golder To: Quim Gil In-Reply-To: <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> References: <1143130036.6942.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143130109.6942.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143209101.12253.18.camel@yellow> <1143209712.5969.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144063086.6062.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1145376467.17987.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149102258.5720.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149106990.5720.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149168356.5197.5.camel@green> <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 22:05:25 +0700 Message-Id: <1152543926.9094.30.camel@red> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.538 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.061, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.538 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 17:02:53 -0000 On Mon, 2006-07-10 at 10:23 +0200, Quim Gil wrote: > On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 14:37 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > > > > seems like we might not have the sysadmin resources to really support > > > extra web sites. > > GNOME projects are not extra web sites, really. We should find a balance > between project websites requirements and sysadmin realistic resources. > > Murray, it would be great if you could start a list of requirements > based on your own needs for gtkmm.org. Then we can improve these > requirements checking with other GNOME projects, and after that we > "negotiate" with the sysadmins what can we really offer. > > With this we get a official and documented offer to GNOME projects. > Those happy with it can come and be served. Those with special needs can > try to increase the requirements accepted or go elsewhere. > I have been considering starting (another) internal thread on how we can widen the GNOME sysadmin team some more. We made a request for sysadmin volunteers a couple of years ago, and got a good response, but unfortunately we turned most of them down and only took up a few of them on their offers, as we only needed a few more pairs of hands at the time. Now we have a small influx of new hardware and hosting offers, we are going to need to make sure they don't sit idle waiting for us to get round to them. I think we are going to need to consider taking on a few more worthy volunteers into the team to help prepare and execute any plans we will be drawing up and help maintain a certain level of service etc. Anyway, what with the subversion migration and other (non-GNOME) work, I'll be a bit busy for the next few weeks, but hopefully by the time that settles, Murray (and anyone else with an opinion) should have started setting some of the expectations and we can begin to discuss how to meet them ;) I look forward to seeing them. -- Ross From jdub@waugh.id.au Mon Jul 10 21:28:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4AE03B0253 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22316-02 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:28:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 531DB3B0215 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:28:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A2AB3C36E for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 06:27:27 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DB2A840DD; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 06:27:14 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 06:27:14 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Widen the team? [was: www.gtkmm.org hosting] Message-ID: <20060710202714.GO655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org References: <1149106990.5720.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149168356.5197.5.camel@green> <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> <1152543926.9094.30.camel@red> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1152543926.9094.30.camel@red> Reply-By: Fri Jul 14 05:51:58 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 05:51:58 up 5 days, 23:09, 9 users, load average: 0.03, 0.04, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.447 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.447 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 01:28:28 -0000 > I have been considering starting (another) internal thread on how we can > widen the GNOME sysadmin team some more. Sorry to be characteristically blunt, but we don't need more people - that would just complicate matters more - what we do need is more attentive and more professional people. I have been surprised and dismayed at the recent issues we've been having and the actions taken to paper over or dodge them rather than actually fix them. Our machines have always been in a somewhat mediocre state, but the current churn and reactive approach to improvement is taking its toll. Now, this is not all gar... It's been obvious over the past month that I have been paying much more attention to sysadmin issues. So I'm not idly complaining - I intend to spend more time on it. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ If Perl is gaffer, and Python is Magic Tape, then Ruby is self-adhesive plate gold. From behdad.esfahbod@gmail.com Tue Jul 11 15:56:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECABA3B024D for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:56:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02641-09 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.231]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42ADD3B0173 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i11so1965060wra for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.150.19 with SMTP id x19mr5334277wrd; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:03:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.190.5? ( [72.136.156.47]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 24sm2630956wrl.2006.07.11.10.03.49; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:03:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Subversion migration recap (cut-off Friday July 14th) From: Behdad Esfahbod To: Ross Golder In-Reply-To: <1152444988.9101.16.camel@red> References: <1152444988.9101.16.camel@red> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:03:47 -0400 Message-Id: <1152637427.2850.8.camel@home> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 (2.6.2-1.fc5.5) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: Behdad Esfahbod X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.44 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.117, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.44 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Infrastructure , gnome-hackers@gnome.org, foundation-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:56:07 -0000 I have some concerns about how per-module repos are going to work: 1) How/when can we group modules into one repo? For example, it might make sense to group glib, pango, and gtk+ into one repo. But that makes it harder to remember/guess the repo paths. 2) Even if we dictate one repo per module: - What are the regulations for creating new repos? Any committer can ask and granted a new repo in a matter of a few hours? - If not, or even if yes, I believe people will start adding new modules into the repos they currently own. For example, if I want to create a pango-benchmark module, I definitely go with the existing pango repo instead of asking for a new one, and that again defeats the identity module-repo mapping. Regards, behdad On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 07:36 -0400, Ross Golder wrote: > Hi guys, > > I hope you have all recovered from GUADEC. As you have all probably long > forgotten by now, we are scheduled to migrate the GNOME CVS repository > to Subversion next weekend. Friday night at 23:59UTC to be precise. That > means that the migration will probably be under way this time next week. > > Here's an update on the status of the main issues. > > > Archive history issues > ---------------------- > > Unfortunately, during it's lifetime the GNOME CVS server has suffered > several accidental clock resets (to a point in 1997). The timestamps > listed in some of the CVS ',v' files are not always correct and in > chronological order. This led to some problems high-lighted by James > Henstridge: > > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-infrastructure/2006-February/msg00059.html > > Despite lengthy discussions with Michael Haggerty, the current > maintainer of cvs2svn, and several patches attempting to work around the > problem, it seems that it is unlikely that we'll be able to eliminate > the problem entirely - only use the patches we've developed to alleviate > the problem in the many cases. The most recent few mail exchanges on the > subject are archived here: > > http://cvs2svn.tigris.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=dev&by=date&from=2006-07-01&to=2006-07-31&first=1&count=4 > > At any rate, we will not be able to rely on the subversion archive to > recreate historical versions. To a certain extent, we can't really rely > on the CVS archive either, as various 'CVS surgery' operations will have > taken place over the years, in addition to the clockskew problems. > However, I will make sure the CVS archives stay on-line in > read-only/anonymous mode indefinitely in order to keep that history > publicly available as it was at the time of the cut-off. > > The thing to remember is that this issue will only affect a small > minority of the GNOME modules - the majority, esp newer modules, won't > suffer this problem and you should still be able to retrieve reasonably > faithful historical checkouts from either system in most cases. > > > Migration order > --------------- > > One downside will be that to migrate the entire CVS repository is that > we have a *lot* of history. Current indications are that - worse case > scenario - it could take the best part of a month to complete. > Obviously, lots of hackers aren't going to want to wait this long before > they can continue making commits to their module. So this is how I'm > thinking of determining the migration order. > > We have three 'priority' lists, and then the rest. The first priority > list will contain a list of any modules developers specifically request > are treated as priority, as they expect to be working with them within > hours/days of the migration cut-off (send your requests to me off the > list now). The second priority list will contain a list of other modules > we consider relatively urgent, such as the 'www.gnome.org' website in > case we decide to change anything about of homepage. The third priority > list is compiled from a list of the most active modules from the last > year in activity order (compiled from a query on 'bonsai-svn' from a > fairly recent test migration). Then, the whole list of modules is > processed for any not handled above. This can be seen in the migration > script 'create-svnrepos.sh', which is linked to and explained here: > > http://live.gnome.org/Subversion > > Obviously, at 23:59UTC the whole CVS archive will become read-only. As > each CVS module is being migrated to a Subversion repository, it will be > available read-only (for checkout and in viewcvs). When each module's > subversion repository has been successfully migrated, the repository > perms will reset so GNOME developers can proceed to make commits. > > As each module gets migrated, an '.out' file will be generated > containing the output of the cvs2svn run (for the curious). These can be > quite big sometimes, so the last few lines (containing the migration > statistics) will be directed into a '.tail' file and the whole output > file is bzip2'ed down. You should be able to see this happening here for > the running test migration here: > > http://svn.gnome.org/migration/ > > As you can see from the date-stamps, the recent test migration is > currently only migrating 25-30 reasonable sized modules a day. We > currently have over 860 modules, so it could be about a month before all > the modules have been migrated and are ready. I think I can get this > time down with a few changes to the script to make better use of SMP > etc, but the bottleneck will probably become I/O. Good thing we weren't > thinking about creating a monolithic repository, eh?! :) > > Now would be an ideal opportunity to let us know about any old CVS > modules you know about that are redundant, so we can put them out of the > way in the Attic before the migration. > > > Shouldn't we be cancelling or postponing the migration again? > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > I don't believe the history problems warrant us postponing or cancelling > the migration (again). If we do, it is unlikely that these problems will > ever be solved and we will probably be stuck with CVS until the cows > come home. We must move forward. However, I expect there will be some > who feel may feel a bit edgy about the migration. > > So, unless I hear otherwise, either from the board or if a significant > number of people raise objections in the next week (or both), the > migration will begin as scheduled next weekend, using our current > best-effort clock-skew alleviation patches. > > I will obviously continue to do everything I can to ensure that all the > angles are covered and that the actual migration goes as smoothly and > efficiently as possible. > > > More information > ---------------- > > Anything else I have thought of and/or covered should be written up > here: > > http://live.gnome.org/Subversion > > Please send questions or comments to 'gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org', > or drop by on irc.gnome.org/#sysadmin. Thanks. > > -- > Ross > > > _______________________________________________ > foundation-list mailing list > foundation-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- behdad http://behdad.org/ "Commandment Three says Do Not Kill, Amendment Two says Blood Will Spill" -- Dan Bern, "New American Language" From ross@golder.org Wed Jul 12 00:07:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D99713B04C4; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 00:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16169-06; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 00:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69D443B049F; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 00:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D18F4BAA; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 03:41:34 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EE3E2MdZJQ1g; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 03:41:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from [172.16.2.40] (unknown [125.24.69.165]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 087504BA9; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 03:41:23 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Subversion migration recap (cut-off Friday July 14th) From: Ross Golder To: Behdad Esfahbod In-Reply-To: <1152637427.2850.8.camel@home> References: <1152444988.9101.16.camel@red> <1152637427.2850.8.camel@home> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:41:18 +0700 Message-Id: <1152672078.8617.16.camel@rossg-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.502 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.020, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.502 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Infrastructure , gnome-hackers@gnome.org, foundation-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 04:07:50 -0000 On Tue, 2006-07-11 at 13:03 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > I have some concerns about how per-module repos are going to work: > > 1) How/when can we group modules into one repo? For example, it might > make sense to group glib, pango, and gtk+ into one repo. But that makes > it harder to remember/guess the repo paths. > Those are probably decisions to be made by the module owners, according to their longer-term requirements. If you need to move a portion of code between modules, the best thing to do is to 'svn add' it into the destination and 'svn rm' it from the source (obv w/relevant pointers in the commit message). Sysadmin shouldn't need to get involved, but can advise where necessary. > 2) Even if we dictate one repo per module: > > - What are the regulations for creating new repos? Any committer can > ask and granted a new repo in a matter of a few hours? > Something like that: http://live.gnome.org/NewSVNRepos > - If not, or even if yes, I believe people will start adding new > modules into the repos they currently own. For example, if I want to > create a pango-benchmark module, I definitely go with the existing pango > repo instead of asking for a new one, and that again defeats the > identity module-repo mapping. > That's entirely up to them :) It's their project. There are no strict requirements to force their decisions AFAIK. -- Ross > > > > On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 07:36 -0400, Ross Golder wrote: > > Hi guys, > > > > I hope you have all recovered from GUADEC. As you have all probably long > > forgotten by now, we are scheduled to migrate the GNOME CVS repository > > to Subversion next weekend. Friday night at 23:59UTC to be precise. That > > means that the migration will probably be under way this time next week. > > > > Here's an update on the status of the main issues. > > > > > > Archive history issues > > ---------------------- > > > > Unfortunately, during it's lifetime the GNOME CVS server has suffered > > several accidental clock resets (to a point in 1997). The timestamps > > listed in some of the CVS ',v' files are not always correct and in > > chronological order. This led to some problems high-lighted by James > > Henstridge: > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-infrastructure/2006-February/msg00059.html > > > > Despite lengthy discussions with Michael Haggerty, the current > > maintainer of cvs2svn, and several patches attempting to work around the > > problem, it seems that it is unlikely that we'll be able to eliminate > > the problem entirely - only use the patches we've developed to alleviate > > the problem in the many cases. The most recent few mail exchanges on the > > subject are archived here: > > > > http://cvs2svn.tigris.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=dev&by=date&from=2006-07-01&to=2006-07-31&first=1&count=4 > > > > At any rate, we will not be able to rely on the subversion archive to > > recreate historical versions. To a certain extent, we can't really rely > > on the CVS archive either, as various 'CVS surgery' operations will have > > taken place over the years, in addition to the clockskew problems. > > However, I will make sure the CVS archives stay on-line in > > read-only/anonymous mode indefinitely in order to keep that history > > publicly available as it was at the time of the cut-off. > > > > The thing to remember is that this issue will only affect a small > > minority of the GNOME modules - the majority, esp newer modules, won't > > suffer this problem and you should still be able to retrieve reasonably > > faithful historical checkouts from either system in most cases. > > > > > > Migration order > > --------------- > > > > One downside will be that to migrate the entire CVS repository is that > > we have a *lot* of history. Current indications are that - worse case > > scenario - it could take the best part of a month to complete. > > Obviously, lots of hackers aren't going to want to wait this long before > > they can continue making commits to their module. So this is how I'm > > thinking of determining the migration order. > > > > We have three 'priority' lists, and then the rest. The first priority > > list will contain a list of any modules developers specifically request > > are treated as priority, as they expect to be working with them within > > hours/days of the migration cut-off (send your requests to me off the > > list now). The second priority list will contain a list of other modules > > we consider relatively urgent, such as the 'www.gnome.org' website in > > case we decide to change anything about of homepage. The third priority > > list is compiled from a list of the most active modules from the last > > year in activity order (compiled from a query on 'bonsai-svn' from a > > fairly recent test migration). Then, the whole list of modules is > > processed for any not handled above. This can be seen in the migration > > script 'create-svnrepos.sh', which is linked to and explained here: > > > > http://live.gnome.org/Subversion > > > > Obviously, at 23:59UTC the whole CVS archive will become read-only. As > > each CVS module is being migrated to a Subversion repository, it will be > > available read-only (for checkout and in viewcvs). When each module's > > subversion repository has been successfully migrated, the repository > > perms will reset so GNOME developers can proceed to make commits. > > > > As each module gets migrated, an '.out' file will be generated > > containing the output of the cvs2svn run (for the curious). These can be > > quite big sometimes, so the last few lines (containing the migration > > statistics) will be directed into a '.tail' file and the whole output > > file is bzip2'ed down. You should be able to see this happening here for > > the running test migration here: > > > > http://svn.gnome.org/migration/ > > > > As you can see from the date-stamps, the recent test migration is > > currently only migrating 25-30 reasonable sized modules a day. We > > currently have over 860 modules, so it could be about a month before all > > the modules have been migrated and are ready. I think I can get this > > time down with a few changes to the script to make better use of SMP > > etc, but the bottleneck will probably become I/O. Good thing we weren't > > thinking about creating a monolithic repository, eh?! :) > > > > Now would be an ideal opportunity to let us know about any old CVS > > modules you know about that are redundant, so we can put them out of the > > way in the Attic before the migration. > > > > > > Shouldn't we be cancelling or postponing the migration again? > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > I don't believe the history problems warrant us postponing or cancelling > > the migration (again). If we do, it is unlikely that these problems will > > ever be solved and we will probably be stuck with CVS until the cows > > come home. We must move forward. However, I expect there will be some > > who feel may feel a bit edgy about the migration. > > > > So, unless I hear otherwise, either from the board or if a significant > > number of people raise objections in the next week (or both), the > > migration will begin as scheduled next weekend, using our current > > best-effort clock-skew alleviation patches. > > > > I will obviously continue to do everything I can to ensure that all the > > angles are covered and that the actual migration goes as smoothly and > > efficiently as possible. > > > > > > More information > > ---------------- > > > > Anything else I have thought of and/or covered should be written up > > here: > > > > http://live.gnome.org/Subversion > > > > Please send questions or comments to 'gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org', > > or drop by on irc.gnome.org/#sysadmin. Thanks. > > > > -- > > Ross > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > foundation-list mailing list > > foundation-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list From ross@golder.org Wed Jul 12 02:39:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C72C3B0086 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 02:39:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25550-10 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 02:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0F253B0071 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 02:39:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D6C4BAA; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:29:48 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UL3x-ef3EiNH; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:29:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from [172.16.2.40] (unknown [125.24.69.165]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38B2E4BA9; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:29:41 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Responsibility for mail server, impact on Subversion From: Ross Golder To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org, jdub@perkypants.org In-Reply-To: <20060712051132.GN655@waugh.id.au> References: <20060712051132.GN655@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:29:35 +0700 Message-Id: <1152682175.8617.36.camel@rossg-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.542 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.057, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.542 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Kjartan Maraas , Jonathan Blandford X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:39:20 -0000 On Wed, 2006-07-12 at 15:11 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > Hi all, > > A number of people have suggested that it would be irresponsible to do the > Subversion migration while our mail infrastructure is in the terrible state > that it is. I strongly agree... and suggest that we commit to delaying the > Subversion migration if the mail infrastructure is not functioning reliably > by Monday. As unfortunate as it would be to delay, we can not responsibly > expect our users to cope with such a change without fully functioning mail > services for support and co-ordination. > > To back this up, I would like to own the responsibility for getting our mail > services back up and running reliably. This problem needs a clear owner, not > fresh layers of temporary fixes, trial and error experiments and incomplete > analysis. *No* changes should be made without confirmation, unless a serious > emergency change is required in which case you should follow up to this mail > both on list and directly to my address. This means mail server config on > all our machines... and (!!!) firewall configuration related to mail server > functions. > > This will allow Ross (and perhaps others, if he needs them) to focus 100% on > preparing for and documenting the Subversion migration, which is *extremely* > important to get right, while ensuring that we do not make more mistakes as > we attempt to fix the mail server infrastructure. > > Thanks, > > - Jeff > Discussed on IRC and agreed. Jeff owns the mail problem now. -- Ross From jdub@waugh.id.au Wed Jul 12 06:45:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9C0D3B0284 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:45:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02521-04 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82F7D3B0239 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:45:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22CDE3C85B; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:11:41 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 20DF141B4; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:11:32 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:11:32 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: GNOME Infrastructure Subject: Responsibility for mail server, impact on Subversion Message-ID: <20060712051132.GN655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME Infrastructure , Ross Golder , "Guilherme de S. Pastore" , Jonathan Blandford , Kjartan Maraas MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Reply-By: Sat Jul 15 14:53:06 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 14:53:06 up 7 days, 8:10, 8 users, load average: 0.14, 0.05, 0.01 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.448 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.448 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Kjartan Maraas , Jonathan Blandford X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org, jdub@perkypants.org List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:45:45 -0000 Hi all, A number of people have suggested that it would be irresponsible to do the Subversion migration while our mail infrastructure is in the terrible state that it is. I strongly agree... and suggest that we commit to delaying the Subversion migration if the mail infrastructure is not functioning reliably by Monday. As unfortunate as it would be to delay, we can not responsibly expect our users to cope with such a change without fully functioning mail services for support and co-ordination. To back this up, I would like to own the responsibility for getting our mail services back up and running reliably. This problem needs a clear owner, not fresh layers of temporary fixes, trial and error experiments and incomplete analysis. *No* changes should be made without confirmation, unless a serious emergency change is required in which case you should follow up to this mail both on list and directly to my address. This means mail server config on all our machines... and (!!!) firewall configuration related to mail server functions. This will allow Ross (and perhaps others, if he needs them) to focus 100% on preparing for and documenting the Subversion migration, which is *extremely* important to get right, while ensuring that we do not make more mistakes as we attempt to fix the mail server infrastructure. Thanks, - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ What do you get when you cross a web server and a hen? Apoache. From qgil@desdeamericaconamor.org Wed Jul 12 10:41:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 408A83B0606 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:41:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15778-01 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from servidor.almenara.org (unknown [213.149.238.22]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 260A13B0653 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:10:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18182 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2006 08:23:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.1.34]) (88.5.163.2) by 213.149.238.22 with SMTP; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:23:48 +0000 Subject: Re: www.gtkmm.org hosting From: Quim Gil To: Ross Golder In-Reply-To: <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> References: <1143130036.6942.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143130109.6942.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143209101.12253.18.camel@yellow> <1143209712.5969.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144063086.6062.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1145376467.17987.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149102258.5720.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149106990.5720.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149168356.5197.5.camel@green> <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-+a22hFKBGhJuwCCNf+1j" Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:23:47 +0200 Message-Id: <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.573 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.026, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.573 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:41:16 -0000 --=-+a22hFKBGhJuwCCNf+1j Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 14:37 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > > seems like we might not have the sysadmin resources to really support > > extra web sites.=20 GNOME projects are not extra web sites, really. We should find a balance between project websites requirements and sysadmin realistic resources. Murray, it would be great if you could start a list of requirements based on your own needs for gtkmm.org. Then we can improve these requirements checking with other GNOME projects, and after that we "negotiate" with the sysadmins what can we really offer.=20 With this we get a official and documented offer to GNOME projects. Those happy with it can come and be served. Those with special needs can try to increase the requirements accepted or go elsewhere. None of this solves your problem now, it will be helpful in the future though. Feel free to suggest a timeline for the planning process at http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/DevelopmentTimeline --=20 Quim Gil /// http://desdeamericaconamor.org | http://guadec.org --=-+a22hFKBGhJuwCCNf+1j Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEsg6TBEzHYk6x634RAhTiAJ4x5egjpZXo2MtDY93Q50jzh0LZUgCcDges G0YGvZ2N05Ixdf1h9fyye68= =01SD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-+a22hFKBGhJuwCCNf+1j-- From jdub@waugh.id.au Wed Jul 12 10:50:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51E0E3B0661 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:50:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17292-04 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA9AE3B011D for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:47:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AFF33D89D for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:47:21 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 380F241B4; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:47:12 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:47:12 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: GNOME Infrastructure Subject: mailman round trip test Message-ID: <20060712144712.GZ655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME Infrastructure MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Reply-By: Sun Jul 16 00:46:41 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 00:46:41 up 7 days, 18:04, 9 users, load average: 0.06, 0.03, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.448 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.448 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:50:52 -0000 This is the list that has to suffer test emails. Suffer in your jocks, etc. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ From jdub@waugh.id.au Wed Jul 12 11:07:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B1F23B04E9 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:07:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21015-07 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BAB13B02C6 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:07:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id C30133D8C3 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:07:27 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9B83E41B4; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:07:18 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:07:18 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: GNOME Infrastructure Subject: Re: mailman round trip test Message-ID: <20060712150718.GA655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME Infrastructure References: <20060712144712.GZ655@waugh.id.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060712144712.GZ655@waugh.id.au> Reply-By: Sun Jul 16 01:07:07 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 01:07:07 up 7 days, 18:24, 7 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.448 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.448 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:07:52 -0000 > This is the list that has to suffer test emails. Suffer in your jocks, etc. Another round-trip test. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ Great minds think different? From jdub@waugh.id.au Wed Jul 12 11:10:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2985E3B033B for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:10:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21354-07 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:10:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B92F3B0149 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:10:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1AB23D8C3 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:10:30 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9865F41B4; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:10:21 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:10:21 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Re: mailman round trip test Message-ID: <20060712151021.GB655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org References: <20060712144712.GZ655@waugh.id.au> <20060712150718.GA655@waugh.id.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060712150718.GA655@waugh.id.au> Reply-By: Sun Jul 16 01:08:54 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 01:08:54 up 7 days, 18:26, 7 users, load average: 0.16, 0.03, 0.01 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.448 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.448 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:10:32 -0000 > Another round-trip test. Hah: 01:07:18 - leaves laptop, to gnome.org 01:08:26 - returns laptop, via gnome.org Sweet. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "World domination is a community responsibility." - Michael Hall, LinuxPlanet From jdub@waugh.id.au Wed Jul 12 11:37:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 789373B0110 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:37:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25778-01 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CB503B00A5 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:37:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99E353D8BE for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:37:02 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5AC5D41B4; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:36:53 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:36:53 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Re: mailman round trip test Message-ID: <20060712153653.GD655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org References: <20060712144712.GZ655@waugh.id.au> <20060712150718.GA655@waugh.id.au> <20060712151021.GB655@waugh.id.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060712151021.GB655@waugh.id.au> Reply-By: Sun Jul 16 01:36:36 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 01:36:36 up 7 days, 18:54, 7 users, load average: 0.16, 0.07, 0.02 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.448 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.448 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:37:07 -0000 > > Another round-trip test. > Sweet. Tripping again. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "Openness cannot be assumed, it must be asserted in order to be assured." - Christopher Kelty From hadess@hadess.net Wed Jul 12 12:41:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB3D23B0220 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02355-02 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lucifer.nerdfest.org (lucifer.nerdfest.org [216.243.209.218]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF42B3B0166 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:41:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (cpc4-glfd1-0-0-cust751.glfd.cable.ntl.com [86.16.126.240]) (authenticated bits=0) by lucifer.nerdfest.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6CGfKRP016617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:41:26 -0500 Subject: ping From: Bastien Nocera To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:44:23 +0100 Message-Id: <1152722663.11334.52.camel@wyatt.hadess.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.5.90 (2.5.90-2.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.2/1592/Tue Jul 11 15:40:37 2006 on lucifer.nerdfest.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.592 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.008, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.592 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:41:29 -0000 ping From matthias.clasen@gmail.com Wed Jul 12 12:41:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1B183B0220 for ; 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Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02275-10 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:42:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.183]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CBCB3B0220 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:42:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id z59so303761pyg for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.34.18 with SMTP id m18mr1108427pyj; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.8.13 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <88d636060607120942x5e3d4e8aw689837a7065548f3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:42:01 -0400 From: "Kevin Kubasik" Sender: qub333@gmail.com To: "Bastien Nocera" Subject: Re: ping In-Reply-To: <1152722663.11334.52.camel@wyatt.hadess.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1152722663.11334.52.camel@wyatt.hadess.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: bb9559309d9fe1bb X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.403 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.003, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.403 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:42:04 -0000 pong.... On 7/12/06, Bastien Nocera wrote: > ping > > > _______________________________________________ > Gnome-infrastructure mailing list > Gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-infrastructure > -- Cheers, Kevin Kubasik http://kubasik.net/blog From mclasen@redhat.com Wed Jul 12 12:42:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D1E13B0131 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:42:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02288-08 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E76BC3B0225 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:42:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k6CGgNdF012210 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:42:23 -0400 Received: from lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (lacrosse.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.154]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k6CGgNl6009599 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:42:23 -0400 Received: from [172.16.83.175] (vpn83-175.boston.redhat.com [172.16.83.175]) by lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k6CGgMlM004853 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:42:22 -0400 Subject: ping From: Matthias Clasen To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Red Hat Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:45:18 -0400 Message-Id: <1152722718.3048.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.3 (2.7.3-9) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.542 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.059, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.542 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:42:25 -0000 ping From jdub@waugh.id.au Wed Jul 12 12:50:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAFE03B03EA for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02665-10 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:50:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70F793B0462 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 030F33D8B1 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:50:23 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A78D741B4; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:50:07 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:50:07 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Re: ping Message-ID: <20060712165007.GE655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org References: <1152722718.3048.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1152722718.3048.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Reply-By: Sun Jul 16 02:49:29 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 02:49:29 up 7 days, 20:06, 7 users, load average: 0.32, 0.07, 0.02 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.448 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.448 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:50:27 -0000 > ping (Pings prompted by me. Those on this mailing list can be content to suffer occasional non-mailing-list-like behaviour such as this. Jocks/suffer/etc.) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "Building a Kernel is a requirement for Securing Servers." - Oscar Plameras From jdub@waugh.id.au Wed Jul 12 12:58:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 797DF3B0007 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03412-03 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:58:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30B8F3B00C3 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:58:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8B043D8B4 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:58:13 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 52B0241B4; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:58:04 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:58:04 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: GNOME Infrastructure Subject: mailgraph/qshape on menubar Message-ID: <20060712165804.GF655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME Infrastructure MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Reply-By: Sun Jul 16 02:53:16 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 02:53:16 up 7 days, 20:10, 7 users, load average: 0.08, 0.06, 0.02 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.448 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.448 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:58:17 -0000 Hey, I've installed mailgraph (and dependencies [1]) on menubar. This simple tool has become a staple of my mail server maintenance arsenal - it's very useful to have a quick visual guide to how your mail server is running. It's pretty interesting already. :-) I've also copied qshape from postfix 2.1.x into menubar:/usr/local/bin. This is another must-have tool for postfix administration, providing vastly more useful information than mailq: per-sender/recipient domain queue statistics. Thanks, - Jeff [1] http://nakedape.cc/ftp/nakedape/rhel3/rpm/ -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "That whole 'you complete me' thing is just tragic and totally unrealistic. Go complete yourself." - Anon From ross@golder.org Thu Jul 13 00:48:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC4AA3B00D8; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:48:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05107-01; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:48:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7525F3B00C5; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:48:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B58D34BAE; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 05:48:12 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1mj-1Cb5e8E1; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 05:48:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from [172.16.2.40] (unknown [125.24.76.250]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F9814BA7; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 05:48:06 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Time to move GGV to the Attic? (Was: Subversion migration recap (cut-off Friday July 14th)) From: Ross Golder To: Gary Ekker In-Reply-To: <1152503442.4652.29.camel@cezanne.site> References: <1152444988.9101.16.camel@red> <1152503442.4652.29.camel@cezanne.site> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:48:02 +0700 Message-Id: <1152766082.17165.29.camel@rossg-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.543 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.056, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.543 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Infrastructure , gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 04:48:14 -0000 On อา., 2006-07-09 at 21:50 -0600, Gary Ekker wrote: > On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 18:36 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > Now would be an ideal opportunity to let us know about any old CVS > > modules you know about that are redundant, so we can put them out of the > > way in the Attic before the migration. > > I think it is an appropriate time to move GGV to the Attic, we haven't > shipped it in GNOME for over a year. All feature development is now done > in the Evince project. I haven't checked, but I doubt any distros are > still shipping GGV. Bug fixing has slowed to almost nothing, and there > will likely never be another release... > OK, moved to the Attic. It can always be resurrected and migrated later if deemed necessary. -- Ross From ross@golder.org Thu Jul 13 02:19:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39B453B0314; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:19:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08198-05; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:19:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 305363B0004; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:19:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A9C24BAF; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:19:37 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4TZriOVjFg21; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:19:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from [172.16.2.40] (unknown [125.24.76.250]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABE134BAE; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:19:31 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Delay in mail from GNOME From: Ross Golder To: Olav Vitters In-Reply-To: <20051211143508.GB13357@bkor.dhs.org> References: <20051211143508.GB13357@bkor.dhs.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:19:26 +0700 Message-Id: <1152771566.17165.63.camel@rossg-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.541 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.058, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.541 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-sysadmin@gnome.org, gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 06:19:40 -0000 On อา., 2005-12-11 at 15:35 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: > Mails from GNOME are delayed by at least 50min. Seems amavis is the > cause. See below for two headers. One of a Bugzilla mail. Another one of > a mailinglist mail from someone in the same timezone as me. In the > mailinglist mail I edited my email address, made no other changes. > > Still waiting on some emails. Not any more you're not :) -- Ross From ross@golder.org Thu Jul 13 03:34:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2760D3B00EE for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 03:34:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10497-10 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 03:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64FDA3B02BF for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 03:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E0E94BAF; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:34:02 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eRxO0n924fEy; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:34:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from [172.16.2.40] (unknown [125.24.76.250]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33DDB4BAE; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:33:57 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Mail archives giving a 404 when searched From: Ross Golder To: Kevin Kubasik In-Reply-To: <44ACFAC2.20507@kubasik.net> References: <44ACFAC2.20507@kubasik.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:33:51 +0700 Message-Id: <1152776031.17165.93.camel@rossg-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.534 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.065, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.534 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:34:05 -0000 On พฤ., 2006-07-06 at 07:57 -0400, Kevin Kubasik wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 > > I dunno if this was already known, or if it was an outstanding bug, go > to an active mailing list archive like > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/dashboard-hackers/ and type in a search > term, you'll get a Not Found message. Seemed like this was more > infrastructures territory than the web team, so I thought I'd go here > first. If its there thing, I can file a bug. I fixed the 404 recently, but the archive search still isn't perfect. There a bug for this: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74288 -- Ross From jdub@waugh.id.au Thu Jul 13 03:43:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10C393B017D for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 03:43:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10571-10 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 03:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CB9D3B00C5 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 03:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 099FF3D8E1; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:43:46 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8A7E74113; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:43:42 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:43:42 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: Ross Golder Subject: Re: [Fwd: Another suggestion for easening the mail burden..] Message-ID: <20060713074342.GH655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: Ross Golder , GNOME Infrastructure References: <1152774353.17165.86.camel@rossg-desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1152774353.17165.86.camel@rossg-desktop> Reply-By: Sun Jul 16 17:22:45 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 17:22:45 up 8 days, 10:40, 8 users, load average: 0.01, 0.02, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.448 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.448 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Infrastructure X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:43:48 -0000 > Just dug this suggestion from Stric up. Don't know if it makes any sense > in the context of the stuff you're doing... (Snip good suggestions about reducing the number of mails hitting Amavis.) So, I've *massively* reduced the number of mails going to Amavis simply by reducing the number of mails being allowed to go through the MTA. It looks like roughly 1 mail per second going through Amavis, which correlates with the number of received mails per minute (mpm) on mailgraph [1]. We can handle 75mpm, *internally*, no sweat. Realistically we can handle a heck of a lot more, even before we give Amavis more head room (cranking up its max_servers/max_requests, etc). So, certainly something to think about in the future, but now that we have good information about the behaviour of our mail load, we need to watch it for a while, to get a better grip on it over a useful period of time. Then we can start thinking about further optimisations. (Replying on gnome-infrastructure for temporal documentation purposes.) Thanks, - Jeff [1] http://mail.gnome.org/mailgraph.cgi - now with bonus virus/spam stats. -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "Linux continues to have almost as much soul as James Brown." - Forrest Cook, LWN From ross@golder.org Thu Jul 13 07:50:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85DFF3B0326; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:50:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11473-04; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:49:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3F043B01BD; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:49:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31BF04BAF; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:49:39 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2i4GeI8q4kAp; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:49:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from [172.16.2.40] (unknown [125.24.76.250]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 882B14BAE; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:49:33 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: preparing for UTC timezone, corrections to cronjobs From: Ross Golder To: Toni Willberg In-Reply-To: <448A8B9D.8010505@golder.org> References: <1108251195.11292.6.camel@nasu> <448A8B9D.8010505@golder.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:49:27 +0700 Message-Id: <1152776968.17165.96.camel@rossg-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.534 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.065, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.534 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME sysadmin list , gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:50:09 -0000 On ส., 2006-06-10 at 16:06 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > I would like to move ahead with this as soon as possible. Not only has > it been outstanding for way too long, it shouldn't be too hard or scary > to do, it shouldn't break anything (at least not irreparably), and would > be nice to get done and be allowed to settle before GUADEC. Thanks for > doing the groundwork Toni (and Kurt) - now it's about time we did > something about it :) > > I am proposing to action this tomorrow at about 0800UTC. Does anyone > have any objections or foresee any problems? > Done now. FTR, I copied /usr/share/zoneinfo/UTC to /etc/localtime on all six machines, and updated the crontab entries identified by Toni. -- Ross From vincent@vuntz.net Thu Jul 13 10:03:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CFDF3B029F; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:03:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18306-04; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:03:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 276E33B028C; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:03:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C5489112698; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:03:37 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:03:37 +0200 From: Vincent Untz To: Ross Golder Subject: Re: Time to move GGV to the Attic? (Was: Subversion migration recap (cut-off Friday July 14th)) Message-ID: <20060713100337.GB28420@vuntz.net> References: <1152444988.9101.16.camel@red> <1152503442.4652.29.camel@cezanne.site> <1152766082.17165.29.camel@rossg-desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1152766082.17165.29.camel@rossg-desktop> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.554 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.046, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.554 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Infrastructure , gnome-hackers@gnome.org, Gary Ekker X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:03:42 -0000 Le jeudi 13 juillet 2006, à 11:48, Ross Golder a écrit : > On อา., 2006-07-09 at 21:50 -0600, Gary Ekker wrote: > > On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 18:36 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > > Now would be an ideal opportunity to let us know about any old CVS > > > modules you know about that are redundant, so we can put them out of the > > > way in the Attic before the migration. > > > > I think it is an appropriate time to move GGV to the Attic, we haven't > > shipped it in GNOME for over a year. All feature development is now done > > in the Evince project. I haven't checked, but I doubt any distros are > > still shipping GGV. Bug fixing has slowed to almost nothing, and there > > will likely never be another release... > > > > OK, moved to the Attic. It can always be resurrected and migrated later > if deemed necessary. Err, I thought we had a special CVS Root for this: archives. http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/?root=archive Attic is inappropriate for this, IMHO. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From ross@golder.org Thu Jul 13 12:13:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DB943B03D3; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:13:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24299-04; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:13:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BCEE3B04AD; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:13:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF2974BAE; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:13:25 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cNwmlKzGs6Uw; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:13:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from [172.16.2.40] (unknown [125.24.76.250]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A60924BAB; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:13:16 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Time to move GGV to the Attic? (Was: Subversion migration recap (cut-off Friday July 14th)) From: Ross Golder To: Vincent Untz In-Reply-To: <20060713100337.GB28420@vuntz.net> References: <1152444988.9101.16.camel@red> <1152503442.4652.29.camel@cezanne.site> <1152766082.17165.29.camel@rossg-desktop> <20060713100337.GB28420@vuntz.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:13:11 +0700 Message-Id: <1152792791.5844.0.camel@rossg-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.532 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.067, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.532 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Infrastructure , gnome-hackers@gnome.org, Gary Ekker X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:13:40 -0000 On พฤ., 2006-07-13 at 12:03 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > Le jeudi 13 juillet 2006, à 11:48, Ross Golder a écrit : > > On อา., 2006-07-09 at 21:50 -0600, Gary Ekker wrote: > > > On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 18:36 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > > > Now would be an ideal opportunity to let us know about any old CVS > > > > modules you know about that are redundant, so we can put them out of the > > > > way in the Attic before the migration. > > > > > > I think it is an appropriate time to move GGV to the Attic, we haven't > > > shipped it in GNOME for over a year. All feature development is now done > > > in the Evince project. I haven't checked, but I doubt any distros are > > > still shipping GGV. Bug fixing has slowed to almost nothing, and there > > > will likely never be another release... > > > > > > > OK, moved to the Attic. It can always be resurrected and migrated later > > if deemed necessary. > > Err, I thought we had a special CVS Root for this: archives. > http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/?root=archive > > Attic is inappropriate for this, IMHO. > > Vincent > OK. I wasn't aware of that. Moved from the Attic to the archive. -- Ross From andy@andycc.net Wed Jul 12 14:10:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 797963B02D0 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:10:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08356-06 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:10:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sydney.mailnetwork.co.uk (server88-208-192-113.live-servers.net [88.208.192.113]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85BB83B043A for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:10:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andyshellam-gw.adsl.newnet.co.uk ([80.175.198.137]:59194 helo=[192.168.1.15]) by sydney.mailnetwork.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1G00Ko-0001P6-Hv; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:18:18 +0100 Message-ID: <44B299E8.8010607@andycc.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:18:16 +0100 From: Andy Shellam Organization: the mail network User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ross Golder , gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Re: www.gtkmm.org hosting References: <1143130036.6942.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143130109.6942.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143209101.12253.18.camel@yellow> <1143209712.5969.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144063086.6062.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1145376467.17987.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149102258.5720.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149106990.5720.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149168356.5197.5.camel@green> <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> <1152543926.9094.30.camel@red> In-Reply-To: <1152543926.9094.30.camel@red> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.466 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.466 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:38:19 +0000 X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: andy@andycc.net List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:10:13 -0000 Hi Ross (and others): If you can give a list of skills required, what sort of systems you manage, future expectations etc, (I suppose similar to a job spec), I'd definitely be interested in helping out :) I currently run my own web, database and e-mail servers (Linux w/ Gnome of course ;) ), and I'm a software analyst by day-time profession, but have commercial experience in managing Windows, Linux and Unix servers, and our server estate at work covers 200+ servers. I'd love to see if I can offer anything to team :) Regards Andy Ross Golder wrote: > I have been considering starting (another) internal thread on how we can > widen the GNOME sysadmin team some more. We made a request for sysadmin > volunteers a couple of years ago, and got a good response, but > unfortunately we turned most of them down and only took up a few of them > on their offers, as we only needed a few more pairs of hands at the > time. > > Now we have a small influx of new hardware and hosting offers, we are > going to need to make sure they don't sit idle waiting for us to get > round to them. I think we are going to need to consider taking on a few > more worthy volunteers into the team to help prepare and execute any > plans we will be drawing up and help maintain a certain level of service > etc. > > Anyway, what with the subversion migration and other (non-GNOME) work, > I'll be a bit busy for the next few weeks, but hopefully by the time > that settles, Murray (and anyone else with an opinion) should have > started setting some of the expectations and we can begin to discuss how > to meet them ;) I look forward to seeing them. > > -- > Ross > > > _______________________________________________ > Gnome-infrastructure mailing list > Gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-infrastructure > > !DSPAM:14,44b2888034531041548765! > > > From gekker@novell.com Wed Jul 12 16:09:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D9793B0162 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:09:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15617-01 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [130.57.169.10]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 471083B013A for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 21470 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2006 03:53:01 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO ?192.168.0.100?) (gekker@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Jul 2006 03:53:01 -0000 Subject: Re: Time to move GGV to the Attic? (Was: Subversion migration recap (cut-off Friday July 14th)) From: Gary Ekker To: Ross Golder In-Reply-To: <1152444988.9101.16.camel@red> References: <1152444988.9101.16.camel@red> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 21:50:41 -0600 Message-Id: <1152503442.4652.29.camel@cezanne.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.399 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.399 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:38:19 +0000 Cc: GNOME Infrastructure , gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 20:09:06 -0000 On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 18:36 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > Now would be an ideal opportunity to let us know about any old CVS > modules you know about that are redundant, so we can put them out of the > way in the Attic before the migration. I think it is an appropriate time to move GGV to the Attic, we haven't shipped it in GNOME for over a year. All feature development is now done in the Evince project. I haven't checked, but I doubt any distros are still shipping GGV. Bug fixing has slowed to almost nothing, and there will likely never be another release... That said I'm not sure if there are criteria that a module has to meet before it is archived. I'm about to leave town on holiday, and won't have access to email until after the migration begins, so I can't participate in any pre-migration discussion this may generate. The GGV module can definitely be one of the last, if it is even necessary to migrate it at all. -Gary From toni@willberg.fi Thu Jul 13 09:50:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ABB33B028C for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:50:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17515-09 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:50:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gw03.mail.saunalahti.fi (gw03.mail.saunalahti.fi [195.197.172.111]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 090EB3B02DF for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:50:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from willberg.fi (KMMMDXXXII.dsl.saunalahti.fi [62.142.131.132]) by gw03.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E70F216198 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:50:10 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [192.168.100.55] (laalaa.home.willberg.fi [192.168.100.55]) by willberg.fi (8.13.5/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k6D9nRIh002114 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:49:27 +0300 Message-ID: <44B61757.1030805@willberg.fi> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:50:15 +0300 From: Toni Willberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Re: Widen the team? [was: www.gtkmm.org hosting] References: <1149106990.5720.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149168356.5197.5.camel@green> <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> <1152543926.9094.30.camel@red> <20060710202714.GO655@waugh.id.au> In-Reply-To: <20060710202714.GO655@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/1539/Wed Jun 14 17:21:49 2006 clamav-milter version 0.80j on 127.0.0.1 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.436 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.028, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.436 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:38:19 +0000 X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:50:16 -0000 Jeff Waugh kirjoitti: > > >> I have been considering starting (another) internal thread on how we can >> widen the GNOME sysadmin team some more. > > Sorry to be characteristically blunt, but we don't need more people - that > would just complicate matters more - what we do need is more attentive and > more professional people. I have been surprised and dismayed at the recent > issues we've been having and the actions taken to paper over or dodge them > rather than actually fix them. Our machines have always been in a somewhat > mediocre state, but the current churn and reactive approach to improvement > is taking its toll. Now, this is not all gar... It's been obvious over the > past month that I have been paying much more attention to sysadmin issues. > So I'm not idly complaining - I intend to spend more time on it. > > - Jeff > My opinion (based on experience) is that the Foundation should hire one part-time system administrator to take care of mission critical services. The volunteer sysadmin team would be doing whatever they (we) have been doing as usual, but the head of the team would be actually responsible of things (also in legal perspective). This arrangement should avoid some of the pingpong issues we have had in the past. In my opinion some of the delays have been caused by the fact that there has been no-one who can (or have been willing to) make decisions about certain things. If the idea gets support, could someone please escalate this to the Foundation, thanks. - Toni ps. sorry about not having time to do sysadmin tasks actively anymore :( From qub333@gmail.com Thu Jul 13 13:27:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CFFF3B0516 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:27:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27932-08 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:27:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51A5A3B04E3 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:27:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id 57so211639pya for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 06:27:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.91.10 with SMTP id t10mr752576pyl; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 06:27:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.8.13 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 06:27:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <88d636060607130627j70ff9ca6g6125746d5a353e7a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:27:42 -0400 From: "Kevin Kubasik" Sender: qub333@gmail.com To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Debian Server Compramise MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: f24165d09233aab2 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.409 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.009, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.409 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:27:44 -0000 I know this isn't all that exciting or relevant (I guess its pretty common for servers to be compromised) but I feel most OSS projects see this far less often then corporate systems. Regardless, It appears one of Debian's servers was compromised, while they haven't made much in terms of details public, it might be worth a scan of our logs for anything suspicious if we have some hacker with an anti-OSS vendetta, or who is at least proficient against *nix based machines. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/07/msg00003.html Not trying to cry wolf or cite serious concern, but also if anyone on the list happens to know the debian sysadmins more personally, they may want to get specifics. -- Cheers, Kevin Kubasik http://kubasik.net/blog From jdub@waugh.id.au Thu Jul 13 13:47:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C774D3B0455 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:47:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28828-09 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:47:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A05283B0514 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:47:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29F733C3E5 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:47:06 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A8C914113; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:47:02 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:47:02 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Re: Widen the team? [was: www.gtkmm.org hosting] Message-ID: <20060713134702.GJ655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org References: <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> <1152543926.9094.30.camel@red> <20060710202714.GO655@waugh.id.au> <44B61757.1030805@willberg.fi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <44B61757.1030805@willberg.fi> Reply-By: Sun Jul 16 23:44:36 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 23:44:36 up 8 days, 17:01, 8 users, load average: 0.01, 0.02, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.448 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.448 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:47:07 -0000 > If the idea gets support, could someone please escalate this to the > Foundation, thanks. *board hat on* The GNOME Foundation Board is aware of this want/need, and is working toward putting the Foundation on much better financial footing, such that we could make this kind of investment safely. There is definitely no timeline for a sysadmin position opening, but it's definitely on the agenda for the future. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "And that's what it sounds like if you *download* it!" - John Linnell of They Might Be Giants From ross@golder.org Thu Jul 13 15:23:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0A9C3B0324 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:23:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01450-02 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:23:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D27623B0061 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:23:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 040484BAE; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:23:32 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2J7W-bJfzFL8; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:23:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from [172.16.2.40] (unknown [125.24.76.250]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFE0E4BA7; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:23:26 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: www.gtkmm.org hosting From: Ross Golder To: andy@andycc.net In-Reply-To: <44B299E8.8010607@andycc.net> References: <1143130036.6942.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143130109.6942.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143209101.12253.18.camel@yellow> <1143209712.5969.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144063086.6062.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1145376467.17987.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149102258.5720.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149106990.5720.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149168356.5197.5.camel@green> <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> <1152543926.9094.30.camel@red> <44B299E8.8010607@andycc.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 22:23:21 +0700 Message-Id: <1152804201.6333.9.camel@rossg-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.531 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.068, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.531 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:23:36 -0000 On จ., 2006-07-10 at 19:18 +0100, Andy Shellam wrote: > Hi Ross (and others): > > If you can give a list of skills required, what sort of systems you > manage, future expectations etc, (I suppose similar to a job spec), I'd > definitely be interested in helping out :) > > I currently run my own web, database and e-mail servers (Linux w/ Gnome > of course ;) ), and I'm a software analyst by day-time profession, but > have commercial experience in managing Windows, Linux and Unix servers, > and our server estate at work covers 200+ servers. > > I'd love to see if I can offer anything to team :) > A good place to start would be to read: http://live.gnome.org/HelpingSysadmin Thanks, -- Ross From qub333@gmail.com Thu Jul 13 16:09:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D88E13B046F for ; 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Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:07:07 -0300 (BRT) Subject: Re: Debian Server Compramise From: "Guilherme de S. Pastore" To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <88d636060607130627j70ff9ca6g6125746d5a353e7a@mail.gmail.com> References: <88d636060607130627j70ff9ca6g6125746d5a353e7a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:07:05 -0300 Message-Id: <1152810425.4949.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.152 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.460, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.152 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:07:12 -0000 Il giorno gio, 13/07/2006 alle 09.27 -0400, Kevin Kubasik ha scritto: > Regardless, It appears one > of Debian's servers was compromised This is not the first time a Debian server is compromised, and the last time it happened it was much worse. As far as I can tell, both times it was a combination of a developer password being sniffed together with a rootkit, and that is exactly the reason gnome.org users do not have passwords. -- Guilherme de S. Pastore fatalerror From qub333@gmail.com Thu Jul 13 18:07:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D8243B059C for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:07:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09073-09 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:07:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 446FF3B0601 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:07:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id 57so306129pya for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:07:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.103.12 with SMTP id f12mr939752pym; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:07:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.8.13 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:07:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <88d636060607131107p463c4499oc1cfa79f8b96331b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:07:11 -0400 From: "Kevin Kubasik" Sender: qub333@gmail.com To: "Guilherme de S. Pastore" Subject: Re: Debian Server Compramise In-Reply-To: <1152810425.4949.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <88d636060607130627j70ff9ca6g6125746d5a353e7a@mail.gmail.com> <1152810425.4949.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Google-Sender-Auth: b90bedbebcb5fb1d X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.409 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.009, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.409 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:07:15 -0000 Sounds peachy :) I am surprised to hear that the debian accounts have passwords and are not exclusivly keys. O well, Kevin Kubasik On 7/13/06, Guilherme de S. Pastore wrote: > Il giorno gio, 13/07/2006 alle 09.27 -0400, Kevin Kubasik ha scritto: > > Regardless, It appears one > > of Debian's servers was compromised > > This is not the first time a Debian server is compromised, and the last > time it happened it was much worse. As far as I can tell, both times it > was a combination of a developer password being sniffed together with a > rootkit, and that is exactly the reason gnome.org users do not have > passwords. > > -- > Guilherme de S. Pastore > fatalerror > > _______________________________________________ > Gnome-infrastructure mailing list > Gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-infrastructure > -- Cheers, Kevin Kubasik http://kubasik.net/blog From qub333@gmail.com Sat Jul 15 23:57:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00ACD3B00CC for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:57:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03265-05 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:57:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.192]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DB853B014C for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:57:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id t10so478191wxc for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 16:57:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.32.11 with SMTP id f11mr1206096wxf; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 16:57:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.109? ( [69.140.109.194]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id i17sm5034088wxd.2006.07.15.16.57.42; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 16:57:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <44B980E1.9020403@kubasik.net> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 19:57:21 -0400 From: Kevin Kubasik User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060615) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Duplicate modules in SVN migration plan X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 OpenPGP: id=43337DF4; url=http://kubasik.net/KevinKubasik.asc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: Kevin Kubasik X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.363 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.037, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.363 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:57:47 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 I just noticed that beagle is scheduled to be migrated twice, once with the first priority list, and once in the third. I don't know if it would actually be detrimental if this happened, but to save time we should probably check for any other duplicates. http://www.gnome.org/~rossg/migration-priority-1.list http://www.gnome.org/~rossg/migration-priority-2.list http://www.gnome.org/~rossg/migration-priority-3.list - -- Cheers, Kevin Kubasik 240-838-6616 http://kubasik.net/blog -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iQIVAwUBRLmA4f3xZFNDM330AQh5gg/+P6zwWLGACfPwoHPbYp3gIuo4j4dra7Or vkIIk5BgA0Kc2OdFuz7nqAoTM9VUBJ4er6osBDNvdemznljnVuR3DUYj38OKLW+B Nm1YGD7OkO6UbOPdUq1y3V7HJY4+So1I6jmi2KaP5yZpLI8RdaidLrBwjIuqE4G9 Va17lCdv9tjJEm0bg42EDIPVRreIe/lZAxq1BcpzIr2nFP62a/fdiqkKo1s3Rhah 9KgbHiGmOqF/DbnYiclFax0P9Zfqp2v4RrtTWnltEy/C5MreNXADxhu0E9dizwt/ CEkidcYbcKuk1UG8KrnUBgfBw7pEzvzCa+VSzMxr6MEkbo6qsfq9fZJh9bkSt+Af PhQr6umrani+S4HSWXvMCFfvpXhimH8ycFBrroIODYiCPEG5BfzUCI+roL0t8bRJ CxmrM4W2mIc5BchNACPh2ocz7RbFVMSdDSJN/nab3jw01QGv7p01cxEeyIomV845 6Am/b4M+UAYXW4TNP12sxkU2bakGEPYyyTaok2PW/3ptNIqJUCcQUdRogkbtJYia 0MYaYCYxp6VR5a7AvKuuPNljjWiuQorGupRlQIH9r9CnUkLiM84vKqVKeN8yEtDR NbxxxxQkSed0Q32qe+uGn1ML+MTm2EUkIg68Je9xRp6MRDYPvYrlMP9adpbrhCW6 /8ZxVWCLqag= =iRhu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From behdad.esfahbod@gmail.com Sun Jul 16 00:34:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8112C3B010B for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:34:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04630-05 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:34:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.228]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB0323B010A for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:34:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i4so345792wra for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 17:34:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.84.1 with SMTP id h1mr870112wrb; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 17:34:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.190.5? ( [72.136.156.47]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 5sm1296541wrh.2006.07.15.17.34.15; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 17:34:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Subversion migration in progress: CVS is now read-only From: Behdad Esfahbod To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20060715000727.GE655@waugh.id.au> References: <20060715000727.GE655@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 20:34:14 -0400 Message-Id: <1153010054.23526.13.camel@home> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 (2.6.2-1.fc5.5) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: Behdad Esfahbod X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.476 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.076, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.476 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:34:19 -0000 On Fri, 2006-07-14 at 20:07 -0400, Jeff Waugh wrote: > Good morning, freedom lovers! > > The migration from CVS to Subversion has begun. As of 00:00 UTC, CVS is read > only, and modules are being imported into the new Subversion repository. For > more information about the Subversion migration, please read: > > http://live.gnome.org/Subversion > > You can track modules during migration at... http://svn.gnome.org/migration/ Can we get Pango migrated before Monday? I'll be in away for conferences next week and expect to commit. Thanks behdad > Thanks, > > - Jeff > > -- > linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ > > 'unf' is walking into a door. > 'untz' is walking into a drum kit. -- behdad http://behdad.org/ "Commandment Three says Do Not Kill, Amendment Two says Blood Will Spill" -- Dan Bern, "New American Language" From jdub@waugh.id.au Sun Jul 16 00:49:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 283D93B012B for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:49:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05706-02 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:49:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 057D93B010B for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:49:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48F093D973 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:49:48 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E7AD63F3C; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:49:39 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:49:39 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: GNOME Infrastructure Subject: More ping-a-lings Message-ID: <20060716004939.GB2821@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME Infrastructure MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 Reply-By: Wed Jul 19 10:49:26 EST 2006 X-Uptime: 10:49:27 up 11 days, 4:06, 7 users, load average: 0.09, 0.03, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.45 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.45 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:49:50 -0000 Hey. Ping. Y'know? - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "I think hot Chinese girls who kick ass are the wave of the future, as far as films go." - Cody Russell From jdub@perkypants.org Sun Jul 16 01:18:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BED2E3B010B for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 01:18:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06784-01 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 01:18:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA01F3B0161 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 01:18:31 +0000 (UTC) To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: ping Message-Id: <20060716011831.AA01F3B0161@menubar.gnome.org> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 01:18:31 +0000 (UTC) From: jdub@perkypants.org X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.131 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-2.300, BAYES_40=-0.185, MSGID_FROM_MTA_ID=1.393, NO_REAL_NAME=0.961] X-Spam-Score: -0.131 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 01:18:51 -0000 ping From ross@golder.org Sun Jul 16 05:23:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 991A03B023E for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:23:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28215-04 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:23:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 866B03B0185 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:23:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9CD44BAF; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:23:21 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qnmoVn4Z6KF9; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:23:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from [172.16.2.40] (unknown [125.24.65.255]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05D944BAE; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:23:16 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Duplicate modules in SVN migration plan From: Ross Golder To: Kevin Kubasik In-Reply-To: <44B980E1.9020403@kubasik.net> References: <44B980E1.9020403@kubasik.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 12:22:26 +0700 Message-Id: <1153027363.7084.24.camel@rossg-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.531 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.068, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.531 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:23:24 -0000 On ส., 2006-07-15 at 19:57 -0400, Kevin Kubasik wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 > > I just noticed that beagle is scheduled to be migrated twice, once with > the first priority list, and once in the third. I don't know if it would > actually be detrimental if this happened, but to save time we should > probably check for any other duplicates. > http://www.gnome.org/~rossg/migration-priority-1.list > http://www.gnome.org/~rossg/migration-priority-2.list > http://www.gnome.org/~rossg/migration-priority-3.list Duplicates aren't a problem. The script ignores any it's already converted. -- Ross From ross@golder.org Sun Jul 16 05:24:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56F283B0182 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:24:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28230-07 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:24:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2730E3B013A for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:24:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CB8D4BAF; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:24:51 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TkilWK6d33z5; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:24:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from [172.16.2.40] (unknown [125.24.65.255]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA7734BAE; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:24:46 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Subversion migration in progress: CVS is now read-only From: Ross Golder To: Behdad Esfahbod In-Reply-To: <1153010054.23526.13.camel@home> References: <20060715000727.GE655@waugh.id.au> <1153010054.23526.13.camel@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 12:24:08 +0700 Message-Id: <1153027465.7084.27.camel@rossg-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.531 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.068, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.531 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:24:53 -0000 On ส., 2006-07-15 at 20:34 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > On Fri, 2006-07-14 at 20:07 -0400, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > Good morning, freedom lovers! > > > > The migration from CVS to Subversion has begun. As of 00:00 UTC, CVS is read > > only, and modules are being imported into the new Subversion repository. For > > more information about the Subversion migration, please read: > > > > http://live.gnome.org/Subversion > > > > You can track modules during migration at... http://svn.gnome.org/migration/ > > Can we get Pango migrated before Monday? I'll be in away for > conferences next week and expect to commit. > > Thanks > behdad > Migration's cancelled for now. You should be able to commit to CVS as before. -- Ross From ross@golder.org Sun Jul 16 05:25:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 000873B0182 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:25:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28229-07 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:25:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02D2F3B01B3 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:25:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 491A24BAF; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:25:53 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8OujsJLllDpw; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:25:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from [172.16.2.40] (unknown [125.24.65.255]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32D804BAE; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:25:48 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: More ping-a-lings From: Ross Golder To: Jeff Waugh In-Reply-To: <20060716004939.GB2821@waugh.id.au> References: <20060716004939.GB2821@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 12:25:11 +0700 Message-Id: <1153027528.7084.29.camel@rossg-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.532 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.067, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.532 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Infrastructure X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:25:55 -0000 On อา., 2006-07-16 at 10:49 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > Hey. Ping. Y'know? > Yeah, pong and all. -- Ross From olav@bkor.dhs.org Sun Jul 16 08:42:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 075D33B00CB for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:42:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01572-05 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:42:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from amsfep11-int.chello.nl (amsfep17-int.chello.nl [213.46.243.15]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D9D3B006E for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:42:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bkor.dhs.org ([24.132.164.94]) by amsfep11-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with ESMTP id <20060716083254.LLQL1153.amsfep11-int.chello.nl@bkor.dhs.org> for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:32:54 +0200 Received: by bkor.dhs.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id DB6B263A2C4; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:42:11 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:42:11 +0200 From: Olav Vitters To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Re: Duplicate modules in SVN migration plan Message-ID: <20060716084211.GB18187@bkor.dhs.org> References: <44B980E1.9020403@kubasik.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <44B980E1.9020403@kubasik.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.335 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.071, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.335 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:42:28 -0000 On Sat, Jul 15, 2006 at 07:57:21PM -0400, Kevin Kubasik wrote: > I just noticed that beagle is scheduled to be migrated twice, once with > the first priority list, and once in the third. I don't know if it would > actually be detrimental if this happened, but to save time we should > probably check for any other duplicates. Thanks for the heads up. This has already been thought of. Modules would not have been converted twice. -- Regards, Olav From mneptok@mneptok.com Sun Jul 16 08:50:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6B233B02E2 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:50:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01947-02 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:50:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from squishy.internetofdeath.com (squishy.internetofdeath.com [198.145.247.148]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83F303B023A for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:50:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from new-host.home (mneptok.com [64.26.155.12]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by squishy.internetofdeath.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF8262CC5CA; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 01:48:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: ping From: Kurt von Finck To: jdub@perkypants.org In-Reply-To: <20060716011831.AA01F3B0161@menubar.gnome.org> References: <20060716011831.AA01F3B0161@menubar.gnome.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 04:50:20 -0400 Message-Id: <1153039820.10117.5.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.464 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.464 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:50:29 -0000 On Sun, 2006-07-16 at 01:18 +0000, jdub@perkypants.org wrote: > ping pong? ./k kurt von finck -- http://www.mneptok.com mneptok@mneptok.com -- public key at: pgp.mit.edu server key id: 5229D26A -- Success is more a function of consistent common sense than it is of genius. - An Wang -- From jdub@waugh.id.au Sun Jul 16 10:53:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF8723B03A1 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:53:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07110-03 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:53:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33BE73B0393 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:53:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F92C3D992 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 20:53:44 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C89E33F3C; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 20:53:38 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 20:53:38 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: GNOME Infrastructure Subject: round-trip test Message-ID: <20060716105338.GD2821@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME Infrastructure MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Reply-By: Wed Jul 19 20:53:14 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 20:53:14 up 11 days, 14:10, 8 users, load average: 0.08, 0.03, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.441 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.023, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.441 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:53:46 -0000 It is not necessary to answer this mail. When it hits the list, I will receive it too... :-) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ No match for "LINUSWEARSTHEPANTS.ORG". From jdub@waugh.id.au Sun Jul 16 11:17:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60E2B3B0074 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:17:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09261-03 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:17:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B27C3B01B4 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:17:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0A463D998 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 21:17:31 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 713213F3C; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 21:17:28 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 21:17:28 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Re: round-trip test Message-ID: <20060716111728.GE2821@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org References: <20060716105338.GD2821@waugh.id.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060716105338.GD2821@waugh.id.au> Reply-By: Wed Jul 19 21:09:33 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 21:09:33 up 11 days, 14:26, 8 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.441 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.023, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.441 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:17:33 -0000 > It is not necessary to answer this mail. When it hits the list, I will > receive it too... :-) Ignoring the time between my laptop and my mail server (I use fetchmail, so it's going to be terribly inconsistent): Received: from node.waugh.id.au by menubar.gnome.org; 10:53:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org by node.waugh.id.au; 20:53:48 +1000 (EST) There's no significant clock skew between them. Let's call it at worst case, one second, and we around about a 5 second round-trip which *includes* going through Amavis. :-) (That's for a small list, though. But the latest round-trip times on the big lists are looking good too.) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ No pants is good pants. From olav@bkor.dhs.org Sun Jul 16 11:33:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 138943B0074 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:33:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09858-05 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:33:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from amsfep17-int.chello.nl (unknown [213.46.243.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 654283B01DD for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:33:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bkor.dhs.org ([24.132.164.94]) by amsfep13-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with ESMTP id <20060716113301.VKMP1849.amsfep13-int.chello.nl@bkor.dhs.org> for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 13:33:01 +0200 Received: by bkor.dhs.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id DA9B263A482; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 13:33:00 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 13:33:00 +0200 From: Olav Vitters To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Re: round-trip test Message-ID: <20060716113300.GC18187@bkor.dhs.org> References: <20060716105338.GD2821@waugh.id.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060716105338.GD2821@waugh.id.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.402 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.003, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.402 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:33:32 -0000 On Sun, Jul 16, 2006 at 08:53:38PM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > It is not necessary to answer this mail. When it hits the list, I will > receive it too... :-) But I want to test the roundtrip as well! -- Regards, Olav From vincent@vuntz.net Wed Jul 19 15:23:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 274A43B01D0 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:23:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28442-10 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:23:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E159E3B013B for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:23:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 005E5112693; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:22:59 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:22:59 +0200 From: Vincent Untz To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Small addition to the "cvs account created" template Message-ID: <20060719152259.GZ28420@vuntz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.554 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.046, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.554 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:23:02 -0000 Hi my heroes, I'm pretty sure you're using a template for the mail you send to people after having created a cvs account. Would it be possible to add somewhere in this template something like: "Now that you have a CVS account, you might also want to become a member of the GNOME Foundation. You can apply at http://foundation.gnome.org/membership/application.php" This would help getting our new contributors sooner in the Foundation. Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From guilherme.pastore@terra.com.br Wed Jul 19 16:36:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61EC03B009D for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:36:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32438-09 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:36:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from buraja.hst.terra.com.br (buraja.hst.terra.com.br [200.176.10.198]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51E0D3B00B4 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:36:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from domoni.hst.terra.com.br (domoni.hst.terra.com.br [200.176.10.16]) by buraja.hst.terra.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAB1122A4096 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:36:13 -0300 (BRT) X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: c9702a2827bd73c25196ac082d64f3d8 Received-SPF: pass (domoni.hst.terra.com.br: domain of terra.com.br designates 200.176.10.16 as permitted sender) client-ip=200.176.10.16; envelope-from=guilherme.pastore@terra.com.br; helo=[192.168.1.3]; Received: from [192.168.1.3] (unknown [201.52.45.156]) (authenticated user guilherme.pastore) by domoni.hst.terra.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id B04D51588087 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:36:13 -0300 (BRT) Subject: Re: Small addition to the "cvs account created" template From: "Guilherme de S. Pastore" To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20060719152259.GZ28420@vuntz.net> References: <20060719152259.GZ28420@vuntz.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:36:12 -0300 Message-Id: <1153326972.4608.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.167 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.475, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.167 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:36:16 -0000 Em Qua, 2006-07-19 às 17:22 +0200, Vincent Untz escreveu: > Would it be possible to add somewhere in this template something like: > "Now that you have a CVS account, you might also want to become a member > of the GNOME Foundation. You can apply at > http://foundation.gnome.org/membership/application.php" We already mention it because of guidelines for @cvs.gnome.org mail aliases usage and how to get a @gnome.org one, but I think we can be more enthusiastic about the Foundation than about mail aliases there, indeed. I have been wanting to clean, fix and update the templates a bit for some time, so I'll stick this in whenever I get down to it (hopefully and quite probably this week). Cheers, -- Guilherme de S. Pastore fatalerror From olav@bkor.dhs.org Sun Jul 30 17:28:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DCE23B037F for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09788-08 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:28:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amsfep18-int.chello.nl (amsfep17-int.chello.nl [213.46.243.15]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33E3E3B0387 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bkor.dhs.org ([24.132.164.94]) by amsfep18-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with ESMTP id <20060730212815.PYWA1318.amsfep18-int.chello.nl@bkor.dhs.org> for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 23:28:15 +0200 Received: by bkor.dhs.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id 95FD0A045; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 23:28:14 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 23:28:14 +0200 From: Olav Vitters To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Python 2,2 and 2.4 on container Message-ID: <20060730212813.GD22190@bkor.dhs.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.433 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.031, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.433 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:28:30 -0000 Evandro Fernandes Giovanini mentioned on d-d-l that atrpms.net had Python 2.4 rpms for RHEL3. As I do not trust that source I downloaded the src.rpm, verified the sources + spec + patches are sane and recompiled it in my homedir. Now container has Python 2.4 in /usr/bin/python2.4 or /usr/bin/python24. When reviewing the patches I noticed some references to Python 2.3, so please verify if it is working correctly. To install the Python 2.4 rpm on another server, do: rpm -ivh ~ovitters/rpm/RPMS/i386/python24-2.4.1-2_8.i386.rpm It had a python24-tools + tkinter24 package as well, but I did not install those. Just to be clear: the rpm does NOT overwrite the existing Python install (as long as the existing install is Python 2.2 / 2.3). -- Regards, Olav From ross@golder.org Mon Jul 31 07:27:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA62D3B0012 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:27:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08088-01 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:27:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8EDC3B0076 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:27:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E9174BA4; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:27:37 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tmVYJGi8uiYr; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:27:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from [172.16.2.40] (unknown [125.24.69.111]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A826D40D9; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:27:30 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <44CDE914.6050804@golder.org> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:27:16 +0700 From: Ross Golder User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olav Vitters Subject: Re: Python 2,2 and 2.4 on container References: <20060730212813.GD22190@bkor.dhs.org> In-Reply-To: <20060730212813.GD22190@bkor.dhs.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.529 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.070, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.529 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:27:47 -0000 Olav Vitters wrote: > Evandro Fernandes Giovanini mentioned on d-d-l that atrpms.net had > Python 2.4 rpms for RHEL3. As I do not trust that source I downloaded > the src.rpm, verified the sources + spec + patches are sane and > recompiled it in my homedir. > > Now container has Python 2.4 in /usr/bin/python2.4 or /usr/bin/python24. > When reviewing the patches I noticed some references to Python 2.3, so > please verify if it is working correctly. > > To install the Python 2.4 rpm on another server, do: > rpm -ivh ~ovitters/rpm/RPMS/i386/python24-2.4.1-2_8.i386.rpm > > It had a python24-tools + tkinter24 package as well, but I did not > install those. > > Just to be clear: the rpm does NOT overwrite the existing Python install > (as long as the existing install is Python 2.2 / 2.3). > However, it does update the /usr/bin/python symlink, but that shouldn't be a problem. FYI, I installed these RPMs on menubar too, thinking it might fix the segfault on malformed UTF-8 I was having, but it didn't. I ended up finding another workaround instead. -- Ross From qgil@desdeamericaconamor.org Tue Jul 4 02:52:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C9A33B0092 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 02:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06883-10 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 02:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from servidor.almenara.org (unknown [213.149.238.22]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 81FD53B000B for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 02:52:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29011 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2006 06:52:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.1.33]) (83.55.166.228) by 213.149.238.22 with SMTP; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 06:52:05 +0000 Subject: GNOME Infrastructure update From: Quim Gil To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-vAmU+KNGSnoeHLbQ3EqN" Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 08:52:04 +0200 Message-Id: <1151995924.5109.22.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.501 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=1.098, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -1.501 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 06:52:08 -0000 --=-vAmU+KNGSnoeHLbQ3EqN Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there, The GNOME Foundation board has received some offers for getting free servers and bandwidth for the GNOME infrastructure. In the line of stepping out of the way, delegate, let things get done, etc, we think the board role here is to set the initial contacts and then leave the details and the decisions to the Infrastructure team. These offers include server co-location out of RedHat, in the own infrastructures of each donor/host. We could probably get some more help from Advisory Board companies if we need it. These steps would imply the move to a more decentralized infrastructure. I am no sysadmin myself, nor I pretend to. All the planning and decisions to face this decentralization process need to come from the GNOME Infrastructure team, obviously. Hopefully I can help as a contact with the board and initial contact with potential donors/hosts. --=20 Quim Gil /// http://desdeamericaconamor.org | http://guadec.org --=-vAmU+KNGSnoeHLbQ3EqN Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEqhAUBEzHYk6x634RAhS4AJ4lhGxdEBQsJzjxhnXnr3wG/0gUgQCeP0E8 xuDkJR5ZP6rfrzCj4ahJqTo= =019R -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-vAmU+KNGSnoeHLbQ3EqN-- From ross@golder.org Tue Jul 4 05:03:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63B0B3B02CB for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 05:03:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15848-03 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 05:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E56CF3B01AA for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 05:03:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60EDF40DD; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 10:03:32 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ojZSWEtJ0ipo; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 10:03:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from red (unknown [125.24.92.184]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8101B40DB; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 10:03:26 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: GNOME Infrastructure update From: Ross Golder To: Quim Gil In-Reply-To: <1151995924.5109.22.camel@localhost> References: <1151995924.5109.22.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 16:03:16 +0700 Message-Id: <1152003797.10588.22.camel@red> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.515 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.084, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.515 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 09:03:37 -0000 On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 08:52 +0200, Quim Gil wrote: > Hi there, > > The GNOME Foundation board has received some offers for getting free > servers and bandwidth for the GNOME infrastructure. In the line of > stepping out of the way, delegate, let things get done, etc, we think > the board role here is to set the initial contacts and then leave the > details and the decisions to the Infrastructure team. > > These offers include server co-location out of RedHat, in the own > infrastructures of each donor/host. We could probably get some more help > from Advisory Board companies if we need it. These steps would imply the > move to a more decentralized infrastructure. > > I am no sysadmin myself, nor I pretend to. All the planning and > decisions to face this decentralization process need to come from the > GNOME Infrastructure team, obviously. Hopefully I can help as a contact > with the board and initial contact with potential donors/hosts. > Co-incidentally enough, we have just started a discussion about this on the internal gnome-sysadmin team. We are aware of a very attractive offer of servers and hosting from one other donor, and were discussing the advantages that they are able to offer us over our existing arrangements. I am in contact with them directly already. I'm not sure yet what information/offers I can make public, but I'll pass on the details here when I know I can :) There are a few small issues we will need to discuss and agree on internally within the sysadmin team first, such as the ifs, whos, hows and whens, etc. I'll then draft up some kind of 'master plan and schedule' and post it for review here on 'gnome-infrastructure' (copied to 'board-list'). If you have any other information to add, such as new/other donors interested in offering servers or hosting, please forward the details on to the team ('gnome-sysadmin@gnome.org') so we can contact them directly and factor their offers into our discussions and decisions. Thanks, -- Ross From qgil@desdeamericaconamor.org Tue Jul 4 05:27:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A437D3B0199 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 05:27:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17269-09 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 05:27:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from servidor.almenara.org (unknown [213.149.238.22]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 468D23B012E for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 05:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14609 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2006 09:27:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.1.33]) (83.55.166.228) by 213.149.238.22 with SMTP; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 09:27:12 +0000 Subject: Re: GNOME Infrastructure update From: Quim Gil To: Ross Golder In-Reply-To: <1152003797.10588.22.camel@red> References: <1151995924.5109.22.camel@localhost> <1152003797.10588.22.camel@red> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-S0+rbrNOzBhtVtApTThm" Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 11:27:11 +0200 Message-Id: <1152005232.5109.99.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.536 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=1.063, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -1.536 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 09:27:16 -0000 --=-S0+rbrNOzBhtVtApTThm Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 16:03 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > I'm not sure > yet what information/offers I can make public, but I'll pass on the > details here when I know I can :) Maybe we could link a page from http://live.gnome.org/Sysadmin/Servers listing the current offers and servers underway. Those with unclear privacy could be referred using alias i.e. "4 small boxes" or "host donor". This way we would share a map of current and potential donors. --=20 Quim Gil /// http://desdeamericaconamor.org | http://guadec.org --=-S0+rbrNOzBhtVtApTThm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEqjRvBEzHYk6x634RAkmcAJ4uv/zJV9Pkg1ZyZZom8gqUPnygYACfbDPS jrAwwGGVQLX2Xq21q55jzyw= =U1TG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-S0+rbrNOzBhtVtApTThm-- From ross@golder.org Tue Jul 4 05:33:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFB953B0106 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 05:33:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17822-02 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 05:33:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FE663B0204 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 05:33:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 576F740DD; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 10:33:07 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tXtd+ZEOR5LN; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 10:33:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from red (unknown [125.24.92.184]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A719040DB; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 10:33:03 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: GNOME Infrastructure update From: Ross Golder To: Quim Gil In-Reply-To: <1152005232.5109.99.camel@localhost> References: <1151995924.5109.22.camel@localhost> <1152003797.10588.22.camel@red> <1152005232.5109.99.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 16:32:56 +0700 Message-Id: <1152005576.10728.3.camel@red> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.519 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.080, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.519 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 09:33:10 -0000 On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 11:27 +0200, Quim Gil wrote: > On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 16:03 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > I'm not sure > > yet what information/offers I can make public, but I'll pass on the > > details here when I know I can :) > > Maybe we could link a page from http://live.gnome.org/Sysadmin/Servers > listing the current offers and servers underway. Those with unclear > privacy could be referred using alias i.e. "4 small boxes" or "host > donor". > > This way we would share a map of current and potential donors. > Sounds like a good plan to me. I can't see it'd be a problem to publicise any offers we get. I'll check first though. -- Ross From otaylor@redhat.com Tue Jul 4 11:34:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58E223B01CC for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 11:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10740-04 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 11:33:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0597A3B0115 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 11:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k64FXvU1006453; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 11:33:57 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k64FXvqQ002713; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 11:33:57 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k64FXuD6008141; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 11:33:57 -0400 Subject: Re: GNOME Infrastructure update From: Owen Taylor To: Quim Gil In-Reply-To: <1152005232.5109.99.camel@localhost> References: <1151995924.5109.22.camel@localhost> <1152003797.10588.22.camel@red> <1152005232.5109.99.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 08:33:59 -0400 Message-Id: <1152016440.14779.160.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 (2.6.1-1.fc5.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.422 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.044, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.422 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 15:34:00 -0000 On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 11:27 +0200, Quim Gil wrote: > On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 16:03 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > I'm not sure > > yet what information/offers I can make public, but I'll pass on the > > details here when I know I can :) > > Maybe we could link a page from http://live.gnome.org/Sysadmin/Servers > listing the current offers and servers underway. Those with unclear > privacy could be referred using alias i.e. "4 small boxes" or "host > donor". > > This way we would share a map of current and potential donors. I think it would be much better to have a real discussion in private than an obfusticated and unclear discussion in public. It would be a mistake to make major decisions without having concrete full proposals on the table, and I doubt potential hosting donors would want that discussion going on in public. Owen From qgil@desdeamericaconamor.org Wed Jul 5 01:52:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCB413B00DD for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 01:52:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17980-03 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 01:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from servidor.almenara.org (unknown [213.149.238.22]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9BDAB3B0087 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 01:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 6217 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jul 2006 05:52:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.1.33]) (83.55.173.66) by 213.149.238.22 with SMTP; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 05:52:45 +0000 Subject: Re: GNOME Infrastructure update From: Quim Gil To: Owen Taylor In-Reply-To: <1152016440.14779.160.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1151995924.5109.22.camel@localhost> <1152003797.10588.22.camel@red> <1152005232.5109.99.camel@localhost> <1152016440.14779.160.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-kNhMFgwMcxYSiD0jFUQj" Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 07:52:44 +0200 Message-Id: <1152078764.5143.39.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.561 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=1.038, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -1.561 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 05:52:49 -0000 --=-kNhMFgwMcxYSiD0jFUQj Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 08:33 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: > I think it would be much better to have a real discussion in private > than an obfusticated and unclear discussion in public. It will definitely help. Are you thinking about email, phone call...? Suggest and we will follow. We are probably in a point in which we could solve our Infrastructure weaknesses, since there seems to be a context of organizations willing to help. There are many sub-discussions, though, that create dependencies between them. We should avoid the fish eating its tail. - We need to know what are the current needs and weaknesses of the GNOME infrastructure in order to know if we need more help, and which kind of help. We have been hearing the "We need more servers" claim for months, but we should move forward into a more specific statement. This is something the GNOME Infrastructure team can discuss by its own, and you decide what bits of the discussion need to be open and private. - If it's still true that we still need more resources, we need to know which are the requirements or conditions of the GNOME Infrastructure team in order to get efficient help. Some potential donors will be happy offering a server to be placed in the RedHat racks. Some potential donors will be happy co-locating a server in their own hosting infrastructure. We might find other combinations and we need to know in which cases we want to collaborate. This discussion is half the fish. - The other half of the fish is the negotiation with potential donors. To me it's not that good to start negotiations without having a clear idea of the previous points. For instance, if Serious Company X is offering us top quality hosting in their own server infrastructure we need to know if we consider useful to have resources out of the current infrastructure at RedHat or not. Having a more detailed policy about hardware requirements or permission levels or whatever you think appropriate to define would be also helpful. --=20 Quim Gil /// http://desdeamericaconamor.org | http://guadec.org --=-kNhMFgwMcxYSiD0jFUQj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEq1OsBEzHYk6x634RAk90AKCrhczJQq3oFERTzW62vllfG05EfwCffteK Un3/IqZ0qDqsc+G4Xqq0s9c= =XPQQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-kNhMFgwMcxYSiD0jFUQj-- From otaylor@redhat.com Wed Jul 5 08:10:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32C993B014A for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 08:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08905-10 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 08:10:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0CF03B00E8 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 08:10:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k65CAIZR023703; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 08:10:18 -0400 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (devserv.devel.redhat.com [172.16.58.1]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k65CAI3U011349; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 08:10:18 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k65CAH20001123; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 08:10:17 -0400 Subject: Re: GNOME Infrastructure update From: Owen Taylor To: Quim Gil In-Reply-To: <1152078764.5143.39.camel@localhost> References: <1151995924.5109.22.camel@localhost> <1152003797.10588.22.camel@red> <1152005232.5109.99.camel@localhost> <1152016440.14779.160.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1152078764.5143.39.camel@localhost> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-jFD+e+zYcs46CUZ3n4jr" Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 05:10:16 -0400 Message-Id: <1152090616.14779.167.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 (2.6.1-1.fc5.2) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.183 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.195, BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=0.478, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.183 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 12:10:23 -0000 --=-jFD+e+zYcs46CUZ3n4jr Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2006-07-05 at 07:52 +0200, Quim Gil wrote: >=20 > On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 08:33 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: >=20 > > I think it would be much better to have a real discussion in private > > than an obfusticated and unclear discussion in public. >=20 > It will definitely help. Are you thinking about email, phone call...? Well, for the short term, I was mostly suggesting that this conversation could be better held on private mailing lists (gnome-sysadmin / board-list) rather than here on gnome-infrastructure. I don't think it's possible to hold this conversation in public and be sufficiently clear. At some point it might make sense to invite Ross to one of the GNOME Board conference calls, but that seems premature at this point; as you say, there are lots of confused intertwined strands of conversation. - Owen --=-jFD+e+zYcs46CUZ3n4jr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEq4H4S+2LB0B90LERAq+EAKCdie4muIGWQMh8nf8WQBAWe7GMRwCfSzmZ EWnOT2wuCjKQQe38slrUCnc= =TPD2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-jFD+e+zYcs46CUZ3n4jr-- From qub333@gmail.com Thu Jul 6 07:58:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D4783B021E for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 07:58:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21926-04 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 07:57:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.205]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF29C3B034E for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 07:57:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id t5so2375204wxc for ; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 04:57:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.44.18 with SMTP id r18mr10677220wxr; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 04:57:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.109? ( [69.140.109.194]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id h11sm5941911wxd.2006.07.06.04.57.55; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 04:57:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <44ACFAC2.20507@kubasik.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 07:57:54 -0400 From: Kevin Kubasik User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060705) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Mail archives giving a 404 when searched X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 OpenPGP: id=43337DF4; url=http://kubasik.net/KevinKubasik.asc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: Kevin Kubasik X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.327 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.073, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.327 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 11:58:00 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 I dunno if this was already known, or if it was an outstanding bug, go to an active mailing list archive like http://mail.gnome.org/archives/dashboard-hackers/ and type in a search term, you'll get a Not Found message. Seemed like this was more infrastructures territory than the web team, so I thought I'd go here first. If its there thing, I can file a bug. - -- Cheers, Kevin Kubasik 240-838-6616 http://kubasik.net/blog -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iQIVAwUBRKz6wv3xZFNDM330AQixkxAAluJvMvdW4lbDkBE25FhaEpaOgFEIbneR kehaab5ll/41sKSKDEmYhuG1kxgDHKYmhOCninM9i1wPJ6raXsdsDcAaTl+c9TTO SroXzm2R8ngRHN5l9c9tLmoXWyYQmYlQ/rEvIf0GXGZGDh5q7+Onx2QTUkD0GFwY tIUH575za3awil20NM4MpvnHuz85/QcllPdEunAbiWg4UNLjNrpHiWUjQRYmWq8i BYB/rQ/7W2dD8Jef8nfgyIfal2JLqNADvbd1yL1dQBj1dcdruB6OLMCrxgNAFzK6 pR4mzcxT8FDON0oWCc23BtDROR8ZfLbgGmzXNeqxX0FBCNtWt+We1wmlQxLPlMCg bjJZtOGBEFz2+rvMjhxtgmqid2k3V23kU0L1S7IpCpZfFdSM2o+6qhreK9f9jVNI dQYfLUpbYb0mxnMgTzB/3/HtTTp29hgnjvSSXOSRPVRPKOiskol2X2rt03ZI6smy 3pG5YEPzJuY4Bf6t3oxo57VNhdHZvQMemsXxoMwxpxo/NqKxQZ/gqa8KMh5LGI6d EQQB11lKi9J6ZnZ0saryDo7fNTn/CxOLeDiuXSn1lBJyq4+cw4J7KMCNcOVwfUYA iIDhBF77aYFe1ZYsNu3ane2nzaxvKEVZPdnwhXA3hua/v7C3eZUbtuMpYfTNlwl8 zx7yC5aH4H8= =ttra -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gpastore@gnome.org Thu Jul 6 10:07:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53B8A3B00EA for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 10:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31412-08 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 10:07:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bundure.hst.terra.com.br (bundure.hst.terra.com.br [200.176.10.195]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C09B53B0123 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 10:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ladigue.hst.terra.com.br (ladigue.hst.terra.com.br [200.176.10.10]) by bundure.hst.terra.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 100EB9A0369 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 11:07:19 -0300 (BRT) X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: d5c325b9779ab8e5db6259283ca87d33 Received-SPF: none (ladigue.hst.terra.com.br: 200.176.10.10 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of gnome.org) client-ip=200.176.10.10; envelope-from=gpastore@gnome.org; helo=[192.168.1.3]; Received: from [192.168.1.3] (unknown [201.52.45.156]) (authenticated user guilherme.pastore) by ladigue.hst.terra.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE2B51594114 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 11:07:18 -0300 (BRT) Subject: Re: Mail archives giving a 404 when searched From: "Guilherme de S. Pastore" To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <44ACFAC2.20507@kubasik.net> References: <44ACFAC2.20507@kubasik.net> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 11:07:17 -0300 Message-Id: <1152194837.9903.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.555 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.044, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.555 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 14:07:22 -0000 Il giorno gio, 06/07/2006 alle 07.57 -0400, Kevin Kubasik ha scritto: > I dunno if this was already known Yes, it is a known issue, there is a RT ticket for it, and it is being worked on. Thanks anyway. Yours, Guilherme de S. Pastore The GNOME Sysadmin Team From jdub@waugh.id.au Fri Jul 7 03:14:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DFB13B013A for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 03:14:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25436-04 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 03:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9BA63B00B8 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 03:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 583773C75B; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 17:13:43 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 84BC04158; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 17:13:37 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 17:13:37 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: Matthew Galgoci Subject: Firewall modification request Message-ID: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: Matthew Galgoci , GNOME Infrastructure MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Reply-By: Mon Jul 10 17:09:37 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 17:09:37 up 2 days, 10:27, 7 users, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.02 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.447 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.447 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Infrastructure X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 07:14:11 -0000 Hi Matthew, Could you please open the following ports to label.gnome.org: 5222/tcp 5223/tcp 5269/tcp Thanks, - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ From ross@golder.org Fri Jul 7 07:15:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73F603B015F for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 07:15:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10411-01 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 07:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D7733B04B4 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 07:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 313014BA5; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 12:15:14 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kJ+yv5PSspJW; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 12:15:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from red (unknown [125.24.68.166]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F9BB4BA4; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 12:15:08 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Firewall modification request From: Ross Golder To: Jeff Waugh In-Reply-To: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> References: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 18:14:59 +0700 Message-Id: <1152270899.9439.0.camel@red> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.53 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.069, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.53 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Infrastructure , Matthew Galgoci X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 11:15:20 -0000 On Fri, 2006-07-07 at 17:13 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > Hi Matthew, > > Could you please open the following ports to label.gnome.org: > > 5222/tcp > 5223/tcp > 5269/tcp > > Thanks, Here's the inevitable question - 'What're they for?' :) -- Ross From jdub@waugh.id.au Fri Jul 7 09:45:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E6E83B01A0 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 09:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21478-02 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 09:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C36FE3B04E4 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 09:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 773B13C257; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 23:45:29 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2D1EE4158; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 23:45:23 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 23:45:23 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: Ross Golder Subject: Re: Firewall modification request Message-ID: <20060707134523.GL655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: Ross Golder , Matthew Galgoci , GNOME Infrastructure References: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> <1152270899.9439.0.camel@red> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1152270899.9439.0.camel@red> Reply-By: Mon Jul 10 23:43:25 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 23:43:25 up 2 days, 17:00, 7 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.447 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.447 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Infrastructure , Matthew Galgoci X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 13:45:36 -0000 > > 5222/tcp > > 5223/tcp > > 5269/tcp > > Here's the inevitable question - 'What're they for?' :) The ports are kinda obvious ;-) I need them open so I can actually test it sanely, but it's going to require more work before it can go live for real. The service will be for Foundation members only at this stage. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "And if you think this fucking little tub of gold popcorn is going to remotely make up for everything we've suffered, you're sadly fucking mistaken!" - Gollum From jdub@waugh.id.au Fri Jul 7 10:56:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CBC43B0383 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27409-08 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 596913B03E7 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id C107E3C75C for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2006 00:56:54 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 54A2A4158; Sat, 8 Jul 2006 00:56:48 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 00:56:48 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: GNOME Infrastructure Subject: Re: Firewall modification request Message-ID: <20060707145648.GO655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME Infrastructure References: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Reply-By: Tue Jul 11 00:55:59 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 00:55:59 up 2 days, 18:13, 7 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.447 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.447 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 14:56:58 -0000 > Easy enough, just what are they for in case I'm asked? (Replied off-list.) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "Women are too irrational to be crazed killers anyway." - Angus Lees From jdub@waugh.id.au Fri Jul 7 18:40:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 161933B00F6 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 18:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25320-07 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 18:40:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B0483B016E for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 18:40:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 296DC3C72E; Sat, 8 Jul 2006 08:40:11 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4575B415B; Sat, 8 Jul 2006 08:40:07 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 08:40:07 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: Matthew Galgoci , GNOME Infrastructure Subject: Re: Firewall modification request Message-ID: <20060707224007.GY655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: Matthew Galgoci , GNOME Infrastructure References: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> Reply-By: Tue Jul 11 08:39:52 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 08:39:52 up 3 days, 1:57, 8 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.447 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.447 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 22:40:15 -0000 > Could you please open the following ports to label.gnome.org: Thanks, mysterious console messenger. ;-) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "You know, like nunchuck skills, bowhunting skills, computer hacking skills... Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills." - Napoleon Dynamite From guilherme.pastore@terra.com.br Fri Jul 7 18:58:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D3333B0266 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 18:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26230-09 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 18:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bulimba.hst.terra.com.br (bulimba.hst.terra.com.br [200.176.10.194]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16BDE3B00EB for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 18:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from calana.hst.terra.com.br (calana.hst.terra.com.br [200.176.10.6]) by bulimba.hst.terra.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id E11E6130C0A9 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 19:58:38 -0300 (BRT) X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 63aafe514043fda6dc66cd180d57d13e Received-SPF: pass (calana.hst.terra.com.br: domain of terra.com.br designates 200.176.10.6 as permitted sender) client-ip=200.176.10.6; envelope-from=guilherme.pastore@terra.com.br; helo=[192.168.1.3]; Received: from [192.168.1.3] (unknown [201.52.45.156]) (authenticated user guilherme.pastore) by calana.hst.terra.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3D79450081 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 19:58:38 -0300 (BRT) Subject: Re: Firewall modification request From: "Guilherme de S. Pastore" To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20060707224007.GY655@waugh.id.au> References: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> <20060707224007.GY655@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 19:58:37 -0300 Message-Id: <1152313117.9124.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.084 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.392, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.084 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 22:58:41 -0000 Il giorno sab, 08/07/2006 alle 08.40 +1000, Jeff Waugh ha scritto: > > > > Could you please open the following ports to label.gnome.org: > > Thanks, mysterious console messenger. ;-) I want a mysterious console message telling me container's 3690 has been opened! Please, please, please! From ross@golder.org Sun Jul 9 07:52:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B968E3B013F; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 07:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10077-03; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 07:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 510943B00D9; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 07:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87EFE4BA5; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 12:36:49 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OUPkuuujUZzH; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 12:36:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from red (unknown [125.24.66.135]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19BF64BA4; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 12:36:39 +0100 (BST) Subject: Subversion migration recap (cut-off Friday July 14th) From: Ross Golder To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 18:36:27 +0700 Message-Id: <1152444988.9101.16.camel@red> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.493 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.029, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.493 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Infrastructure , foundation-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 11:52:28 -0000 Hi guys, I hope you have all recovered from GUADEC. As you have all probably long forgotten by now, we are scheduled to migrate the GNOME CVS repository to Subversion next weekend. Friday night at 23:59UTC to be precise. That means that the migration will probably be under way this time next week. Here's an update on the status of the main issues. Archive history issues ---------------------- Unfortunately, during it's lifetime the GNOME CVS server has suffered several accidental clock resets (to a point in 1997). The timestamps listed in some of the CVS ',v' files are not always correct and in chronological order. This led to some problems high-lighted by James Henstridge: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-infrastructure/2006-February/msg00059.html Despite lengthy discussions with Michael Haggerty, the current maintainer of cvs2svn, and several patches attempting to work around the problem, it seems that it is unlikely that we'll be able to eliminate the problem entirely - only use the patches we've developed to alleviate the problem in the many cases. The most recent few mail exchanges on the subject are archived here: http://cvs2svn.tigris.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=dev&by=date&from=2006-07-01&to=2006-07-31&first=1&count=4 At any rate, we will not be able to rely on the subversion archive to recreate historical versions. To a certain extent, we can't really rely on the CVS archive either, as various 'CVS surgery' operations will have taken place over the years, in addition to the clockskew problems. However, I will make sure the CVS archives stay on-line in read-only/anonymous mode indefinitely in order to keep that history publicly available as it was at the time of the cut-off. The thing to remember is that this issue will only affect a small minority of the GNOME modules - the majority, esp newer modules, won't suffer this problem and you should still be able to retrieve reasonably faithful historical checkouts from either system in most cases. Migration order --------------- One downside will be that to migrate the entire CVS repository is that we have a *lot* of history. Current indications are that - worse case scenario - it could take the best part of a month to complete. Obviously, lots of hackers aren't going to want to wait this long before they can continue making commits to their module. So this is how I'm thinking of determining the migration order. We have three 'priority' lists, and then the rest. The first priority list will contain a list of any modules developers specifically request are treated as priority, as they expect to be working with them within hours/days of the migration cut-off (send your requests to me off the list now). The second priority list will contain a list of other modules we consider relatively urgent, such as the 'www.gnome.org' website in case we decide to change anything about of homepage. The third priority list is compiled from a list of the most active modules from the last year in activity order (compiled from a query on 'bonsai-svn' from a fairly recent test migration). Then, the whole list of modules is processed for any not handled above. This can be seen in the migration script 'create-svnrepos.sh', which is linked to and explained here: http://live.gnome.org/Subversion Obviously, at 23:59UTC the whole CVS archive will become read-only. As each CVS module is being migrated to a Subversion repository, it will be available read-only (for checkout and in viewcvs). When each module's subversion repository has been successfully migrated, the repository perms will reset so GNOME developers can proceed to make commits. As each module gets migrated, an '.out' file will be generated containing the output of the cvs2svn run (for the curious). These can be quite big sometimes, so the last few lines (containing the migration statistics) will be directed into a '.tail' file and the whole output file is bzip2'ed down. You should be able to see this happening here for the running test migration here: http://svn.gnome.org/migration/ As you can see from the date-stamps, the recent test migration is currently only migrating 25-30 reasonable sized modules a day. We currently have over 860 modules, so it could be about a month before all the modules have been migrated and are ready. I think I can get this time down with a few changes to the script to make better use of SMP etc, but the bottleneck will probably become I/O. Good thing we weren't thinking about creating a monolithic repository, eh?! :) Now would be an ideal opportunity to let us know about any old CVS modules you know about that are redundant, so we can put them out of the way in the Attic before the migration. Shouldn't we be cancelling or postponing the migration again? ------------------------------------------------------------- I don't believe the history problems warrant us postponing or cancelling the migration (again). If we do, it is unlikely that these problems will ever be solved and we will probably be stuck with CVS until the cows come home. We must move forward. However, I expect there will be some who feel may feel a bit edgy about the migration. So, unless I hear otherwise, either from the board or if a significant number of people raise objections in the next week (or both), the migration will begin as scheduled next weekend, using our current best-effort clock-skew alleviation patches. I will obviously continue to do everything I can to ensure that all the angles are covered and that the actual migration goes as smoothly and efficiently as possible. More information ---------------- Anything else I have thought of and/or covered should be written up here: http://live.gnome.org/Subversion Please send questions or comments to 'gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org', or drop by on irc.gnome.org/#sysadmin. Thanks. -- Ross From murrayc@murrayc.com Sun Jul 9 08:39:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE5FC3B008D for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 08:39:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10917-07 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 08:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from swarthymail-a3.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-61.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.61]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A71443B0007 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 08:39:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from noname (p5497D055.dip.t-dialin.net [84.151.208.85]) by swarthymail-a3.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D605C7F019; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 05:37:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: www.gtkmm.org hosting From: Murray Cumming To: Ross Golder In-Reply-To: <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> References: <1143130036.6942.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143130109.6942.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143209101.12253.18.camel@yellow> <1143209712.5969.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144063086.6062.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1145376467.17987.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149102258.5720.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149106990.5720.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149168356.5197.5.camel@green> <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 14:37:51 +0200 Message-Id: <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.401 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.044, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_GT=0.077, TW_TK=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.401 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 12:39:31 -0000 On Sat, 2006-06-24 at 21:47 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 21:17 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > > On Thu, 2006-06-22 at 10:53 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > > OK, I've relaxed your homedir perms to 701, set up the virtualhost > > > (window:/etc/httpd/sites.d/gtkmm.org.conf) and restarted apache. > > > > > > Add '209.132.176.176 www.gtkmm.org' to your /etc/hosts and you should be > > > able to test it with your browser. I'd test it myself, but my ISP uses a > > > bloody annoying transparent caching/proxy, so I'd have to fiddle about > > > with VPNs or my own proxy to test it myself from here and I'm in a rush > > > atm. Sorry. > > > > That works, though SSI is not turned on. > > > > Sorry, my fault. An egregious typo in the Apache conf. Try again. Thanks. That seems to work now. Would this be the final location for the website files? Without wanting to appear at all ungrateful for your own hard work, it seems like we might not have the sysadmin resources to really support extra web sites. For instance, I'm not convinced that everything is documented enough that I wouldn't have to wait a few weeks to have the website restored in the event of another server hack/failure. Am I wrong about this? I might decide to use my own hosting account for this, though I'm afraid of how much bandwidth it could cost me, and other gtkmm developers would probably prefer not to depend on me either. -- Murray Cumming murrayc@murrayc.com www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com From ross@golder.org Sun Jul 9 09:19:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DD583B0080 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 09:19:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12942-03 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 09:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 916023B006C for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 09:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3F7D4BA5; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 13:55:06 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A5PI9hoPubWX; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 13:55:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from red (unknown [125.24.66.135]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC0CA4BA4; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 13:55:00 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: www.gtkmm.org hosting From: Ross Golder To: Murray Cumming In-Reply-To: <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1143130036.6942.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143130109.6942.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143209101.12253.18.camel@yellow> <1143209712.5969.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144063086.6062.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1145376467.17987.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149102258.5720.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149106990.5720.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149168356.5197.5.camel@green> <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 19:54:49 +0700 Message-Id: <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.455 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.010, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_GT=0.077, TW_TK=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.455 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 13:19:36 -0000 On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 14:37 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > On Sat, 2006-06-24 at 21:47 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 21:17 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > > > On Thu, 2006-06-22 at 10:53 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > > > OK, I've relaxed your homedir perms to 701, set up the virtualhost > > > > (window:/etc/httpd/sites.d/gtkmm.org.conf) and restarted apache. > > > > > > > > Add '209.132.176.176 www.gtkmm.org' to your /etc/hosts and you should be > > > > able to test it with your browser. I'd test it myself, but my ISP uses a > > > > bloody annoying transparent caching/proxy, so I'd have to fiddle about > > > > with VPNs or my own proxy to test it myself from here and I'm in a rush > > > > atm. Sorry. > > > > > > That works, though SSI is not turned on. > > > > > > > Sorry, my fault. An egregious typo in the Apache conf. Try again. > > Thanks. That seems to work now. > > Would this be the final location for the website files? > I was going to set up a mechanism to auto-update the site from CVS, as we have for several other sites. I was putting this off because we are planning to move to Subversion shortly, so I didn't want to have to do the job twice, iyswim. Please feel free to send a reminder about this to 'support@gnome.org' so a ticket gets set up and assigned to me so I don't forget, and I'll try to complete this when things are ready and I have a few moments. > Without wanting to appear at all ungrateful for your own hard work, it > seems like we might not have the sysadmin resources to really support > extra web sites. For instance, I'm not convinced that everything is > documented enough that I wouldn't have to wait a few weeks to have the > website restored in the event of another server hack/failure. Am I wrong > about this? > No, you're quite right - we're not quite SourceForge ;) Currently, we have a small team of volunteer sysadmins, who would rather concentrate on keeping the core GNOME services up and running than try to manage all the requests involved in maintaining a-hundred-and-one different projects domains names, websites and mailing lists. We do offer these services to those that need them and will always do our best to do as professional a job as possible (as can be expected for spare-time volunteer sysadmins). We obviously can't provide guarantees and service level agreements. > I might decide to use my own hosting account for this, though I'm afraid > of how much bandwidth it could cost me, and other gtkmm developers would > probably prefer not to depend on me either. > This is entirely your decision to make, depending on the needs of your project and the resources available to it. Given the choice between paid-for hosting (with an SLA, support contract etc) and free web hosting on the GNOME servers, I know which I'd choose ;^) -- Ross From mgalgoci@redhat.com Fri Jul 7 10:36:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45DC13B0284 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25868-06 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A27AB3B02A7 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k67EaoCB003501; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:36:50 -0400 Received: from acis.rdu.redhat.com (acis.rdu.redhat.com [10.11.255.3]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k67EanDw025329; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:36:49 -0400 Received: from acis.rdu.redhat.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by acis.rdu.redhat.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k67Ean8D010308; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:36:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (mgalgoci@localhost) by acis.rdu.redhat.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id k67EanBx010302; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:36:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: acis.rdu.redhat.com: mgalgoci owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:36:49 -0400 From: Matthew Galgoci X-X-Sender: mgalgoci@acis.rdu.redhat.com To: Jeff Waugh Subject: Re: Firewall modification request In-Reply-To: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> Message-ID: References: <20060707071337.GK655@waugh.id.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 05:19:06 -0400 Cc: GNOME Infrastructure X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 14:36:58 -0000 > Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 17:13:37 +1000 > From: Jeff Waugh > To: Matthew Galgoci > Cc: GNOME Infrastructure > Subject: Firewall modification request > > Hi Matthew, > > Could you please open the following ports to label.gnome.org: > > 5222/tcp > 5223/tcp > 5269/tcp Easy enough, just what are they for in case I'm asked? -- Matthew Galgoci IS Production Operations Red Hat, Inc 919.754.3700 x44155 From murrayc@murrayc.com Mon Jul 10 05:23:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A18A53B0098 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 05:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24177-02 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 05:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail3.sd.dreamhost.com (webmail3.sd.dreamhost.com [64.111.100.15]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA5373B00C6 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 05:23:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail.murrayc.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webmail3.sd.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3775F14122; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 01:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 194.138.18.132 (proxying for unknown) (SquirrelMail authenticated user murrayc@murrayc.com) by webmail.murrayc.com with HTTP; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:28:15 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <23981.194.138.18.132.1152520095.squirrel@webmail.murrayc.com> In-Reply-To: <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> References: <1143130036.6942.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143130109.6942.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143209101.12253.18.camel@yellow> <1143209712.5969.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144063086.6062.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1145376467.17987.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149102258.5720.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149106990.5720.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149168356.5197.5.camel@green> <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:28:15 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: www.gtkmm.org hosting From: "Murray Cumming" To: "Quim Gil" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.519 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.003, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.519 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:23:29 -0000 > > On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 14:37 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > >> > seems like we might not have the sysadmin resources to really support >> > extra web sites. > > GNOME projects are not extra web sites, really. We should find a balance > between project websites requirements and sysadmin realistic resources. > > Murray, it would be great if you could start a list of requirements > based on your own needs for gtkmm.org. Then we can improve these > requirements checking with other GNOME projects, and after that we > "negotiate" with the sysadmins what can we really offer. gtkmm.org is probably the simplest web site possible, because I like to keep things simple, and I wanted to be able to easily move the site to a different host. It's just HTML with SSI, with no interactivity. If gtkmm.org uses the same system as www.gnome.org - svn/cvs checkout at the moment, then I'll be reasonably happy about it, and I can move it away again fairly quickly if necessary. I think I'm being too cautious. So, I'll happily wait for the svn transition and try hosting gtkmm.org on the GNOME servers. > With this we get a official and documented offer to GNOME projects. > Those happy with it can come and be served. Those with special needs can > try to increase the requirements accepted or go elsewhere. > > None of this solves your problem now, it will be helpful in the future > though. Feel free to suggest a timeline for the planning process at > http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/DevelopmentTimeline Murray Cumming murrayc@murrayc.com www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com From ross@golder.org Mon Jul 10 13:02:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99D013B01B2 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:02:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06476-05 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 729EE3B018E for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E8634BA4; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:05:45 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iZm4+SSHqUup; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:05:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from red (unknown [125.24.65.168]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 662D94BA5; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:05:36 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: www.gtkmm.org hosting From: Ross Golder To: Quim Gil In-Reply-To: <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> References: <1143130036.6942.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143130109.6942.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143209101.12253.18.camel@yellow> <1143209712.5969.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144063086.6062.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1145376467.17987.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149102258.5720.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149106990.5720.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149168356.5197.5.camel@green> <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 22:05:25 +0700 Message-Id: <1152543926.9094.30.camel@red> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.538 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.061, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.538 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 17:02:53 -0000 On Mon, 2006-07-10 at 10:23 +0200, Quim Gil wrote: > On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 14:37 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > > > > seems like we might not have the sysadmin resources to really support > > > extra web sites. > > GNOME projects are not extra web sites, really. We should find a balance > between project websites requirements and sysadmin realistic resources. > > Murray, it would be great if you could start a list of requirements > based on your own needs for gtkmm.org. Then we can improve these > requirements checking with other GNOME projects, and after that we > "negotiate" with the sysadmins what can we really offer. > > With this we get a official and documented offer to GNOME projects. > Those happy with it can come and be served. Those with special needs can > try to increase the requirements accepted or go elsewhere. > I have been considering starting (another) internal thread on how we can widen the GNOME sysadmin team some more. We made a request for sysadmin volunteers a couple of years ago, and got a good response, but unfortunately we turned most of them down and only took up a few of them on their offers, as we only needed a few more pairs of hands at the time. Now we have a small influx of new hardware and hosting offers, we are going to need to make sure they don't sit idle waiting for us to get round to them. I think we are going to need to consider taking on a few more worthy volunteers into the team to help prepare and execute any plans we will be drawing up and help maintain a certain level of service etc. Anyway, what with the subversion migration and other (non-GNOME) work, I'll be a bit busy for the next few weeks, but hopefully by the time that settles, Murray (and anyone else with an opinion) should have started setting some of the expectations and we can begin to discuss how to meet them ;) I look forward to seeing them. -- Ross From jdub@waugh.id.au Mon Jul 10 21:28:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4AE03B0253 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22316-02 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:28:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 531DB3B0215 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:28:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A2AB3C36E for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 06:27:27 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DB2A840DD; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 06:27:14 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 06:27:14 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Widen the team? [was: www.gtkmm.org hosting] Message-ID: <20060710202714.GO655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org References: <1149106990.5720.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149168356.5197.5.camel@green> <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> <1152543926.9094.30.camel@red> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1152543926.9094.30.camel@red> Reply-By: Fri Jul 14 05:51:58 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 05:51:58 up 5 days, 23:09, 9 users, load average: 0.03, 0.04, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.447 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.447 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 01:28:28 -0000 > I have been considering starting (another) internal thread on how we can > widen the GNOME sysadmin team some more. Sorry to be characteristically blunt, but we don't need more people - that would just complicate matters more - what we do need is more attentive and more professional people. I have been surprised and dismayed at the recent issues we've been having and the actions taken to paper over or dodge them rather than actually fix them. Our machines have always been in a somewhat mediocre state, but the current churn and reactive approach to improvement is taking its toll. Now, this is not all gar... It's been obvious over the past month that I have been paying much more attention to sysadmin issues. So I'm not idly complaining - I intend to spend more time on it. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ If Perl is gaffer, and Python is Magic Tape, then Ruby is self-adhesive plate gold. From behdad.esfahbod@gmail.com Tue Jul 11 15:56:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECABA3B024D for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:56:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02641-09 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.231]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42ADD3B0173 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i11so1965060wra for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.150.19 with SMTP id x19mr5334277wrd; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:03:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.190.5? ( [72.136.156.47]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 24sm2630956wrl.2006.07.11.10.03.49; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:03:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Subversion migration recap (cut-off Friday July 14th) From: Behdad Esfahbod To: Ross Golder In-Reply-To: <1152444988.9101.16.camel@red> References: <1152444988.9101.16.camel@red> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:03:47 -0400 Message-Id: <1152637427.2850.8.camel@home> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 (2.6.2-1.fc5.5) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: Behdad Esfahbod X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.44 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.117, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.44 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Infrastructure , gnome-hackers@gnome.org, foundation-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:56:07 -0000 I have some concerns about how per-module repos are going to work: 1) How/when can we group modules into one repo? For example, it might make sense to group glib, pango, and gtk+ into one repo. But that makes it harder to remember/guess the repo paths. 2) Even if we dictate one repo per module: - What are the regulations for creating new repos? Any committer can ask and granted a new repo in a matter of a few hours? - If not, or even if yes, I believe people will start adding new modules into the repos they currently own. For example, if I want to create a pango-benchmark module, I definitely go with the existing pango repo instead of asking for a new one, and that again defeats the identity module-repo mapping. Regards, behdad On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 07:36 -0400, Ross Golder wrote: > Hi guys, > > I hope you have all recovered from GUADEC. As you have all probably long > forgotten by now, we are scheduled to migrate the GNOME CVS repository > to Subversion next weekend. Friday night at 23:59UTC to be precise. That > means that the migration will probably be under way this time next week. > > Here's an update on the status of the main issues. > > > Archive history issues > ---------------------- > > Unfortunately, during it's lifetime the GNOME CVS server has suffered > several accidental clock resets (to a point in 1997). The timestamps > listed in some of the CVS ',v' files are not always correct and in > chronological order. This led to some problems high-lighted by James > Henstridge: > > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-infrastructure/2006-February/msg00059.html > > Despite lengthy discussions with Michael Haggerty, the current > maintainer of cvs2svn, and several patches attempting to work around the > problem, it seems that it is unlikely that we'll be able to eliminate > the problem entirely - only use the patches we've developed to alleviate > the problem in the many cases. The most recent few mail exchanges on the > subject are archived here: > > http://cvs2svn.tigris.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=dev&by=date&from=2006-07-01&to=2006-07-31&first=1&count=4 > > At any rate, we will not be able to rely on the subversion archive to > recreate historical versions. To a certain extent, we can't really rely > on the CVS archive either, as various 'CVS surgery' operations will have > taken place over the years, in addition to the clockskew problems. > However, I will make sure the CVS archives stay on-line in > read-only/anonymous mode indefinitely in order to keep that history > publicly available as it was at the time of the cut-off. > > The thing to remember is that this issue will only affect a small > minority of the GNOME modules - the majority, esp newer modules, won't > suffer this problem and you should still be able to retrieve reasonably > faithful historical checkouts from either system in most cases. > > > Migration order > --------------- > > One downside will be that to migrate the entire CVS repository is that > we have a *lot* of history. Current indications are that - worse case > scenario - it could take the best part of a month to complete. > Obviously, lots of hackers aren't going to want to wait this long before > they can continue making commits to their module. So this is how I'm > thinking of determining the migration order. > > We have three 'priority' lists, and then the rest. The first priority > list will contain a list of any modules developers specifically request > are treated as priority, as they expect to be working with them within > hours/days of the migration cut-off (send your requests to me off the > list now). The second priority list will contain a list of other modules > we consider relatively urgent, such as the 'www.gnome.org' website in > case we decide to change anything about of homepage. The third priority > list is compiled from a list of the most active modules from the last > year in activity order (compiled from a query on 'bonsai-svn' from a > fairly recent test migration). Then, the whole list of modules is > processed for any not handled above. This can be seen in the migration > script 'create-svnrepos.sh', which is linked to and explained here: > > http://live.gnome.org/Subversion > > Obviously, at 23:59UTC the whole CVS archive will become read-only. As > each CVS module is being migrated to a Subversion repository, it will be > available read-only (for checkout and in viewcvs). When each module's > subversion repository has been successfully migrated, the repository > perms will reset so GNOME developers can proceed to make commits. > > As each module gets migrated, an '.out' file will be generated > containing the output of the cvs2svn run (for the curious). These can be > quite big sometimes, so the last few lines (containing the migration > statistics) will be directed into a '.tail' file and the whole output > file is bzip2'ed down. You should be able to see this happening here for > the running test migration here: > > http://svn.gnome.org/migration/ > > As you can see from the date-stamps, the recent test migration is > currently only migrating 25-30 reasonable sized modules a day. We > currently have over 860 modules, so it could be about a month before all > the modules have been migrated and are ready. I think I can get this > time down with a few changes to the script to make better use of SMP > etc, but the bottleneck will probably become I/O. Good thing we weren't > thinking about creating a monolithic repository, eh?! :) > > Now would be an ideal opportunity to let us know about any old CVS > modules you know about that are redundant, so we can put them out of the > way in the Attic before the migration. > > > Shouldn't we be cancelling or postponing the migration again? > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > I don't believe the history problems warrant us postponing or cancelling > the migration (again). If we do, it is unlikely that these problems will > ever be solved and we will probably be stuck with CVS until the cows > come home. We must move forward. However, I expect there will be some > who feel may feel a bit edgy about the migration. > > So, unless I hear otherwise, either from the board or if a significant > number of people raise objections in the next week (or both), the > migration will begin as scheduled next weekend, using our current > best-effort clock-skew alleviation patches. > > I will obviously continue to do everything I can to ensure that all the > angles are covered and that the actual migration goes as smoothly and > efficiently as possible. > > > More information > ---------------- > > Anything else I have thought of and/or covered should be written up > here: > > http://live.gnome.org/Subversion > > Please send questions or comments to 'gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org', > or drop by on irc.gnome.org/#sysadmin. Thanks. > > -- > Ross > > > _______________________________________________ > foundation-list mailing list > foundation-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- behdad http://behdad.org/ "Commandment Three says Do Not Kill, Amendment Two says Blood Will Spill" -- Dan Bern, "New American Language" From ross@golder.org Wed Jul 12 00:07:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D99713B04C4; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 00:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16169-06; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 00:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69D443B049F; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 00:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D18F4BAA; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 03:41:34 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EE3E2MdZJQ1g; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 03:41:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from [172.16.2.40] (unknown [125.24.69.165]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 087504BA9; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 03:41:23 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Subversion migration recap (cut-off Friday July 14th) From: Ross Golder To: Behdad Esfahbod In-Reply-To: <1152637427.2850.8.camel@home> References: <1152444988.9101.16.camel@red> <1152637427.2850.8.camel@home> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:41:18 +0700 Message-Id: <1152672078.8617.16.camel@rossg-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.502 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.020, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.502 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Infrastructure , gnome-hackers@gnome.org, foundation-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 04:07:50 -0000 On Tue, 2006-07-11 at 13:03 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > I have some concerns about how per-module repos are going to work: > > 1) How/when can we group modules into one repo? For example, it might > make sense to group glib, pango, and gtk+ into one repo. But that makes > it harder to remember/guess the repo paths. > Those are probably decisions to be made by the module owners, according to their longer-term requirements. If you need to move a portion of code between modules, the best thing to do is to 'svn add' it into the destination and 'svn rm' it from the source (obv w/relevant pointers in the commit message). Sysadmin shouldn't need to get involved, but can advise where necessary. > 2) Even if we dictate one repo per module: > > - What are the regulations for creating new repos? Any committer can > ask and granted a new repo in a matter of a few hours? > Something like that: http://live.gnome.org/NewSVNRepos > - If not, or even if yes, I believe people will start adding new > modules into the repos they currently own. For example, if I want to > create a pango-benchmark module, I definitely go with the existing pango > repo instead of asking for a new one, and that again defeats the > identity module-repo mapping. > That's entirely up to them :) It's their project. There are no strict requirements to force their decisions AFAIK. -- Ross > > > > On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 07:36 -0400, Ross Golder wrote: > > Hi guys, > > > > I hope you have all recovered from GUADEC. As you have all probably long > > forgotten by now, we are scheduled to migrate the GNOME CVS repository > > to Subversion next weekend. Friday night at 23:59UTC to be precise. That > > means that the migration will probably be under way this time next week. > > > > Here's an update on the status of the main issues. > > > > > > Archive history issues > > ---------------------- > > > > Unfortunately, during it's lifetime the GNOME CVS server has suffered > > several accidental clock resets (to a point in 1997). The timestamps > > listed in some of the CVS ',v' files are not always correct and in > > chronological order. This led to some problems high-lighted by James > > Henstridge: > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-infrastructure/2006-February/msg00059.html > > > > Despite lengthy discussions with Michael Haggerty, the current > > maintainer of cvs2svn, and several patches attempting to work around the > > problem, it seems that it is unlikely that we'll be able to eliminate > > the problem entirely - only use the patches we've developed to alleviate > > the problem in the many cases. The most recent few mail exchanges on the > > subject are archived here: > > > > http://cvs2svn.tigris.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=dev&by=date&from=2006-07-01&to=2006-07-31&first=1&count=4 > > > > At any rate, we will not be able to rely on the subversion archive to > > recreate historical versions. To a certain extent, we can't really rely > > on the CVS archive either, as various 'CVS surgery' operations will have > > taken place over the years, in addition to the clockskew problems. > > However, I will make sure the CVS archives stay on-line in > > read-only/anonymous mode indefinitely in order to keep that history > > publicly available as it was at the time of the cut-off. > > > > The thing to remember is that this issue will only affect a small > > minority of the GNOME modules - the majority, esp newer modules, won't > > suffer this problem and you should still be able to retrieve reasonably > > faithful historical checkouts from either system in most cases. > > > > > > Migration order > > --------------- > > > > One downside will be that to migrate the entire CVS repository is that > > we have a *lot* of history. Current indications are that - worse case > > scenario - it could take the best part of a month to complete. > > Obviously, lots of hackers aren't going to want to wait this long before > > they can continue making commits to their module. So this is how I'm > > thinking of determining the migration order. > > > > We have three 'priority' lists, and then the rest. The first priority > > list will contain a list of any modules developers specifically request > > are treated as priority, as they expect to be working with them within > > hours/days of the migration cut-off (send your requests to me off the > > list now). The second priority list will contain a list of other modules > > we consider relatively urgent, such as the 'www.gnome.org' website in > > case we decide to change anything about of homepage. The third priority > > list is compiled from a list of the most active modules from the last > > year in activity order (compiled from a query on 'bonsai-svn' from a > > fairly recent test migration). Then, the whole list of modules is > > processed for any not handled above. This can be seen in the migration > > script 'create-svnrepos.sh', which is linked to and explained here: > > > > http://live.gnome.org/Subversion > > > > Obviously, at 23:59UTC the whole CVS archive will become read-only. As > > each CVS module is being migrated to a Subversion repository, it will be > > available read-only (for checkout and in viewcvs). When each module's > > subversion repository has been successfully migrated, the repository > > perms will reset so GNOME developers can proceed to make commits. > > > > As each module gets migrated, an '.out' file will be generated > > containing the output of the cvs2svn run (for the curious). These can be > > quite big sometimes, so the last few lines (containing the migration > > statistics) will be directed into a '.tail' file and the whole output > > file is bzip2'ed down. You should be able to see this happening here for > > the running test migration here: > > > > http://svn.gnome.org/migration/ > > > > As you can see from the date-stamps, the recent test migration is > > currently only migrating 25-30 reasonable sized modules a day. We > > currently have over 860 modules, so it could be about a month before all > > the modules have been migrated and are ready. I think I can get this > > time down with a few changes to the script to make better use of SMP > > etc, but the bottleneck will probably become I/O. Good thing we weren't > > thinking about creating a monolithic repository, eh?! :) > > > > Now would be an ideal opportunity to let us know about any old CVS > > modules you know about that are redundant, so we can put them out of the > > way in the Attic before the migration. > > > > > > Shouldn't we be cancelling or postponing the migration again? > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > I don't believe the history problems warrant us postponing or cancelling > > the migration (again). If we do, it is unlikely that these problems will > > ever be solved and we will probably be stuck with CVS until the cows > > come home. We must move forward. However, I expect there will be some > > who feel may feel a bit edgy about the migration. > > > > So, unless I hear otherwise, either from the board or if a significant > > number of people raise objections in the next week (or both), the > > migration will begin as scheduled next weekend, using our current > > best-effort clock-skew alleviation patches. > > > > I will obviously continue to do everything I can to ensure that all the > > angles are covered and that the actual migration goes as smoothly and > > efficiently as possible. > > > > > > More information > > ---------------- > > > > Anything else I have thought of and/or covered should be written up > > here: > > > > http://live.gnome.org/Subversion > > > > Please send questions or comments to 'gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org', > > or drop by on irc.gnome.org/#sysadmin. Thanks. > > > > -- > > Ross > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > foundation-list mailing list > > foundation-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list From ross@golder.org Wed Jul 12 02:39:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C72C3B0086 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 02:39:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25550-10 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 02:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0F253B0071 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 02:39:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D6C4BAA; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:29:48 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UL3x-ef3EiNH; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:29:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from [172.16.2.40] (unknown [125.24.69.165]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38B2E4BA9; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:29:41 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Responsibility for mail server, impact on Subversion From: Ross Golder To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org, jdub@perkypants.org In-Reply-To: <20060712051132.GN655@waugh.id.au> References: <20060712051132.GN655@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:29:35 +0700 Message-Id: <1152682175.8617.36.camel@rossg-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.542 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.057, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.542 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Kjartan Maraas , Jonathan Blandford X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:39:20 -0000 On Wed, 2006-07-12 at 15:11 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > Hi all, > > A number of people have suggested that it would be irresponsible to do the > Subversion migration while our mail infrastructure is in the terrible state > that it is. I strongly agree... and suggest that we commit to delaying the > Subversion migration if the mail infrastructure is not functioning reliably > by Monday. As unfortunate as it would be to delay, we can not responsibly > expect our users to cope with such a change without fully functioning mail > services for support and co-ordination. > > To back this up, I would like to own the responsibility for getting our mail > services back up and running reliably. This problem needs a clear owner, not > fresh layers of temporary fixes, trial and error experiments and incomplete > analysis. *No* changes should be made without confirmation, unless a serious > emergency change is required in which case you should follow up to this mail > both on list and directly to my address. This means mail server config on > all our machines... and (!!!) firewall configuration related to mail server > functions. > > This will allow Ross (and perhaps others, if he needs them) to focus 100% on > preparing for and documenting the Subversion migration, which is *extremely* > important to get right, while ensuring that we do not make more mistakes as > we attempt to fix the mail server infrastructure. > > Thanks, > > - Jeff > Discussed on IRC and agreed. Jeff owns the mail problem now. -- Ross From jdub@waugh.id.au Wed Jul 12 06:45:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9C0D3B0284 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:45:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02521-04 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82F7D3B0239 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:45:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22CDE3C85B; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:11:41 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 20DF141B4; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:11:32 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:11:32 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: GNOME Infrastructure Subject: Responsibility for mail server, impact on Subversion Message-ID: <20060712051132.GN655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME Infrastructure , Ross Golder , "Guilherme de S. Pastore" , Jonathan Blandford , Kjartan Maraas MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Reply-By: Sat Jul 15 14:53:06 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 14:53:06 up 7 days, 8:10, 8 users, load average: 0.14, 0.05, 0.01 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.448 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.448 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Kjartan Maraas , Jonathan Blandford X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org, jdub@perkypants.org List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:45:45 -0000 Hi all, A number of people have suggested that it would be irresponsible to do the Subversion migration while our mail infrastructure is in the terrible state that it is. I strongly agree... and suggest that we commit to delaying the Subversion migration if the mail infrastructure is not functioning reliably by Monday. As unfortunate as it would be to delay, we can not responsibly expect our users to cope with such a change without fully functioning mail services for support and co-ordination. To back this up, I would like to own the responsibility for getting our mail services back up and running reliably. This problem needs a clear owner, not fresh layers of temporary fixes, trial and error experiments and incomplete analysis. *No* changes should be made without confirmation, unless a serious emergency change is required in which case you should follow up to this mail both on list and directly to my address. This means mail server config on all our machines... and (!!!) firewall configuration related to mail server functions. This will allow Ross (and perhaps others, if he needs them) to focus 100% on preparing for and documenting the Subversion migration, which is *extremely* important to get right, while ensuring that we do not make more mistakes as we attempt to fix the mail server infrastructure. Thanks, - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ What do you get when you cross a web server and a hen? Apoache. From qgil@desdeamericaconamor.org Wed Jul 12 10:41:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 408A83B0606 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:41:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15778-01 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from servidor.almenara.org (unknown [213.149.238.22]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 260A13B0653 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:10:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18182 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2006 08:23:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.1.34]) (88.5.163.2) by 213.149.238.22 with SMTP; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:23:48 +0000 Subject: Re: www.gtkmm.org hosting From: Quim Gil To: Ross Golder In-Reply-To: <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> References: <1143130036.6942.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143130109.6942.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143209101.12253.18.camel@yellow> <1143209712.5969.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144063086.6062.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1145376467.17987.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149102258.5720.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149106990.5720.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149168356.5197.5.camel@green> <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-+a22hFKBGhJuwCCNf+1j" Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:23:47 +0200 Message-Id: <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.573 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.026, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.573 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:41:16 -0000 --=-+a22hFKBGhJuwCCNf+1j Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 14:37 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > > seems like we might not have the sysadmin resources to really support > > extra web sites.=20 GNOME projects are not extra web sites, really. We should find a balance between project websites requirements and sysadmin realistic resources. Murray, it would be great if you could start a list of requirements based on your own needs for gtkmm.org. Then we can improve these requirements checking with other GNOME projects, and after that we "negotiate" with the sysadmins what can we really offer.=20 With this we get a official and documented offer to GNOME projects. Those happy with it can come and be served. Those with special needs can try to increase the requirements accepted or go elsewhere. None of this solves your problem now, it will be helpful in the future though. Feel free to suggest a timeline for the planning process at http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/DevelopmentTimeline --=20 Quim Gil /// http://desdeamericaconamor.org | http://guadec.org --=-+a22hFKBGhJuwCCNf+1j Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEsg6TBEzHYk6x634RAhTiAJ4x5egjpZXo2MtDY93Q50jzh0LZUgCcDges G0YGvZ2N05Ixdf1h9fyye68= =01SD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-+a22hFKBGhJuwCCNf+1j-- From jdub@waugh.id.au Wed Jul 12 10:50:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51E0E3B0661 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:50:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17292-04 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA9AE3B011D for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:47:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AFF33D89D for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:47:21 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 380F241B4; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:47:12 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:47:12 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: GNOME Infrastructure Subject: mailman round trip test Message-ID: <20060712144712.GZ655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME Infrastructure MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Reply-By: Sun Jul 16 00:46:41 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 00:46:41 up 7 days, 18:04, 9 users, load average: 0.06, 0.03, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.448 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.448 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:50:52 -0000 This is the list that has to suffer test emails. Suffer in your jocks, etc. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ From jdub@waugh.id.au Wed Jul 12 11:07:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B1F23B04E9 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:07:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21015-07 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BAB13B02C6 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:07:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id C30133D8C3 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:07:27 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9B83E41B4; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:07:18 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:07:18 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: GNOME Infrastructure Subject: Re: mailman round trip test Message-ID: <20060712150718.GA655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME Infrastructure References: <20060712144712.GZ655@waugh.id.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060712144712.GZ655@waugh.id.au> Reply-By: Sun Jul 16 01:07:07 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 01:07:07 up 7 days, 18:24, 7 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.448 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.448 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:07:52 -0000 > This is the list that has to suffer test emails. Suffer in your jocks, etc. Another round-trip test. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ Great minds think different? From jdub@waugh.id.au Wed Jul 12 11:10:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2985E3B033B for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:10:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21354-07 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:10:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B92F3B0149 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:10:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1AB23D8C3 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:10:30 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9865F41B4; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:10:21 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:10:21 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Re: mailman round trip test Message-ID: <20060712151021.GB655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org References: <20060712144712.GZ655@waugh.id.au> <20060712150718.GA655@waugh.id.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060712150718.GA655@waugh.id.au> Reply-By: Sun Jul 16 01:08:54 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 01:08:54 up 7 days, 18:26, 7 users, load average: 0.16, 0.03, 0.01 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.448 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.448 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:10:32 -0000 > Another round-trip test. Hah: 01:07:18 - leaves laptop, to gnome.org 01:08:26 - returns laptop, via gnome.org Sweet. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "World domination is a community responsibility." - Michael Hall, LinuxPlanet From jdub@waugh.id.au Wed Jul 12 11:37:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 789373B0110 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:37:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25778-01 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CB503B00A5 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:37:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99E353D8BE for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:37:02 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5AC5D41B4; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:36:53 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:36:53 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Re: mailman round trip test Message-ID: <20060712153653.GD655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org References: <20060712144712.GZ655@waugh.id.au> <20060712150718.GA655@waugh.id.au> <20060712151021.GB655@waugh.id.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060712151021.GB655@waugh.id.au> Reply-By: Sun Jul 16 01:36:36 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 01:36:36 up 7 days, 18:54, 7 users, load average: 0.16, 0.07, 0.02 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.448 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.448 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:37:07 -0000 > > Another round-trip test. > Sweet. Tripping again. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "Openness cannot be assumed, it must be asserted in order to be assured." - Christopher Kelty From hadess@hadess.net Wed Jul 12 12:41:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB3D23B0220 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02355-02 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lucifer.nerdfest.org (lucifer.nerdfest.org [216.243.209.218]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF42B3B0166 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:41:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (cpc4-glfd1-0-0-cust751.glfd.cable.ntl.com [86.16.126.240]) (authenticated bits=0) by lucifer.nerdfest.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6CGfKRP016617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:41:26 -0500 Subject: ping From: Bastien Nocera To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:44:23 +0100 Message-Id: <1152722663.11334.52.camel@wyatt.hadess.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.5.90 (2.5.90-2.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.2/1592/Tue Jul 11 15:40:37 2006 on lucifer.nerdfest.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.592 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.008, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.592 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:41:29 -0000 ping From matthias.clasen@gmail.com Wed Jul 12 12:41:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1B183B0220 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:41:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02219-10 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:41:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.183]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED4293B01CC for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id z59so303761pyg for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:41:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.99.14 with SMTP id b14mr1079375pym; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:41:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.39.16 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:41:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:41:55 -0400 From: "Matthias Clasen" To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: ping MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.41 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.010, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.41 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:41:56 -0000 ping From qub333@gmail.com Wed Jul 12 12:42:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E8C93B0225 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02275-10 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:42:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.183]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CBCB3B0220 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:42:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id z59so303761pyg for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.34.18 with SMTP id m18mr1108427pyj; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.8.13 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <88d636060607120942x5e3d4e8aw689837a7065548f3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:42:01 -0400 From: "Kevin Kubasik" Sender: qub333@gmail.com To: "Bastien Nocera" Subject: Re: ping In-Reply-To: <1152722663.11334.52.camel@wyatt.hadess.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1152722663.11334.52.camel@wyatt.hadess.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: bb9559309d9fe1bb X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.403 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.003, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.403 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:42:04 -0000 pong.... On 7/12/06, Bastien Nocera wrote: > ping > > > _______________________________________________ > Gnome-infrastructure mailing list > Gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-infrastructure > -- Cheers, Kevin Kubasik http://kubasik.net/blog From mclasen@redhat.com Wed Jul 12 12:42:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D1E13B0131 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:42:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02288-08 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E76BC3B0225 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:42:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k6CGgNdF012210 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:42:23 -0400 Received: from lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (lacrosse.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.154]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k6CGgNl6009599 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:42:23 -0400 Received: from [172.16.83.175] (vpn83-175.boston.redhat.com [172.16.83.175]) by lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k6CGgMlM004853 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:42:22 -0400 Subject: ping From: Matthias Clasen To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Red Hat Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:45:18 -0400 Message-Id: <1152722718.3048.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.3 (2.7.3-9) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.542 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.059, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.542 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:42:25 -0000 ping From jdub@waugh.id.au Wed Jul 12 12:50:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAFE03B03EA for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02665-10 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:50:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70F793B0462 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 030F33D8B1 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:50:23 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A78D741B4; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:50:07 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:50:07 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Re: ping Message-ID: <20060712165007.GE655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org References: <1152722718.3048.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1152722718.3048.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Reply-By: Sun Jul 16 02:49:29 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 02:49:29 up 7 days, 20:06, 7 users, load average: 0.32, 0.07, 0.02 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.448 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.448 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:50:27 -0000 > ping (Pings prompted by me. Those on this mailing list can be content to suffer occasional non-mailing-list-like behaviour such as this. Jocks/suffer/etc.) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "Building a Kernel is a requirement for Securing Servers." - Oscar Plameras From jdub@waugh.id.au Wed Jul 12 12:58:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 797DF3B0007 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03412-03 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:58:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30B8F3B00C3 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:58:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8B043D8B4 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:58:13 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 52B0241B4; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:58:04 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:58:04 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: GNOME Infrastructure Subject: mailgraph/qshape on menubar Message-ID: <20060712165804.GF655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME Infrastructure MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Reply-By: Sun Jul 16 02:53:16 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 02:53:16 up 7 days, 20:10, 7 users, load average: 0.08, 0.06, 0.02 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.448 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.448 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:58:17 -0000 Hey, I've installed mailgraph (and dependencies [1]) on menubar. This simple tool has become a staple of my mail server maintenance arsenal - it's very useful to have a quick visual guide to how your mail server is running. It's pretty interesting already. :-) I've also copied qshape from postfix 2.1.x into menubar:/usr/local/bin. This is another must-have tool for postfix administration, providing vastly more useful information than mailq: per-sender/recipient domain queue statistics. Thanks, - Jeff [1] http://nakedape.cc/ftp/nakedape/rhel3/rpm/ -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "That whole 'you complete me' thing is just tragic and totally unrealistic. Go complete yourself." - Anon From ross@golder.org Thu Jul 13 00:48:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC4AA3B00D8; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:48:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05107-01; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:48:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7525F3B00C5; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:48:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B58D34BAE; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 05:48:12 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1mj-1Cb5e8E1; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 05:48:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from [172.16.2.40] (unknown [125.24.76.250]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F9814BA7; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 05:48:06 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Time to move GGV to the Attic? (Was: Subversion migration recap (cut-off Friday July 14th)) From: Ross Golder To: Gary Ekker In-Reply-To: <1152503442.4652.29.camel@cezanne.site> References: <1152444988.9101.16.camel@red> <1152503442.4652.29.camel@cezanne.site> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:48:02 +0700 Message-Id: <1152766082.17165.29.camel@rossg-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.543 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.056, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.543 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Infrastructure , gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 04:48:14 -0000 On อา., 2006-07-09 at 21:50 -0600, Gary Ekker wrote: > On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 18:36 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > Now would be an ideal opportunity to let us know about any old CVS > > modules you know about that are redundant, so we can put them out of the > > way in the Attic before the migration. > > I think it is an appropriate time to move GGV to the Attic, we haven't > shipped it in GNOME for over a year. All feature development is now done > in the Evince project. I haven't checked, but I doubt any distros are > still shipping GGV. Bug fixing has slowed to almost nothing, and there > will likely never be another release... > OK, moved to the Attic. It can always be resurrected and migrated later if deemed necessary. -- Ross From ross@golder.org Thu Jul 13 02:19:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39B453B0314; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:19:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08198-05; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:19:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 305363B0004; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:19:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A9C24BAF; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:19:37 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4TZriOVjFg21; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:19:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from [172.16.2.40] (unknown [125.24.76.250]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABE134BAE; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:19:31 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Delay in mail from GNOME From: Ross Golder To: Olav Vitters In-Reply-To: <20051211143508.GB13357@bkor.dhs.org> References: <20051211143508.GB13357@bkor.dhs.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:19:26 +0700 Message-Id: <1152771566.17165.63.camel@rossg-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.541 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.058, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.541 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-sysadmin@gnome.org, gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 06:19:40 -0000 On อา., 2005-12-11 at 15:35 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: > Mails from GNOME are delayed by at least 50min. Seems amavis is the > cause. See below for two headers. One of a Bugzilla mail. Another one of > a mailinglist mail from someone in the same timezone as me. In the > mailinglist mail I edited my email address, made no other changes. > > Still waiting on some emails. Not any more you're not :) -- Ross From ross@golder.org Thu Jul 13 03:34:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2760D3B00EE for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 03:34:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10497-10 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 03:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64FDA3B02BF for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 03:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E0E94BAF; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:34:02 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eRxO0n924fEy; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:34:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from [172.16.2.40] (unknown [125.24.76.250]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33DDB4BAE; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:33:57 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Mail archives giving a 404 when searched From: Ross Golder To: Kevin Kubasik In-Reply-To: <44ACFAC2.20507@kubasik.net> References: <44ACFAC2.20507@kubasik.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:33:51 +0700 Message-Id: <1152776031.17165.93.camel@rossg-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.534 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.065, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.534 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:34:05 -0000 On พฤ., 2006-07-06 at 07:57 -0400, Kevin Kubasik wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 > > I dunno if this was already known, or if it was an outstanding bug, go > to an active mailing list archive like > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/dashboard-hackers/ and type in a search > term, you'll get a Not Found message. Seemed like this was more > infrastructures territory than the web team, so I thought I'd go here > first. If its there thing, I can file a bug. I fixed the 404 recently, but the archive search still isn't perfect. There a bug for this: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74288 -- Ross From jdub@waugh.id.au Thu Jul 13 03:43:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10C393B017D for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 03:43:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10571-10 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 03:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CB9D3B00C5 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 03:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 099FF3D8E1; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:43:46 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8A7E74113; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:43:42 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:43:42 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: Ross Golder Subject: Re: [Fwd: Another suggestion for easening the mail burden..] Message-ID: <20060713074342.GH655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: Ross Golder , GNOME Infrastructure References: <1152774353.17165.86.camel@rossg-desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1152774353.17165.86.camel@rossg-desktop> Reply-By: Sun Jul 16 17:22:45 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 17:22:45 up 8 days, 10:40, 8 users, load average: 0.01, 0.02, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.448 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.448 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Infrastructure X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:43:48 -0000 > Just dug this suggestion from Stric up. Don't know if it makes any sense > in the context of the stuff you're doing... (Snip good suggestions about reducing the number of mails hitting Amavis.) So, I've *massively* reduced the number of mails going to Amavis simply by reducing the number of mails being allowed to go through the MTA. It looks like roughly 1 mail per second going through Amavis, which correlates with the number of received mails per minute (mpm) on mailgraph [1]. We can handle 75mpm, *internally*, no sweat. Realistically we can handle a heck of a lot more, even before we give Amavis more head room (cranking up its max_servers/max_requests, etc). So, certainly something to think about in the future, but now that we have good information about the behaviour of our mail load, we need to watch it for a while, to get a better grip on it over a useful period of time. Then we can start thinking about further optimisations. (Replying on gnome-infrastructure for temporal documentation purposes.) Thanks, - Jeff [1] http://mail.gnome.org/mailgraph.cgi - now with bonus virus/spam stats. -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "Linux continues to have almost as much soul as James Brown." - Forrest Cook, LWN From ross@golder.org Thu Jul 13 07:50:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85DFF3B0326; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:50:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11473-04; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:49:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3F043B01BD; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:49:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31BF04BAF; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:49:39 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2i4GeI8q4kAp; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:49:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from [172.16.2.40] (unknown [125.24.76.250]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 882B14BAE; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:49:33 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: preparing for UTC timezone, corrections to cronjobs From: Ross Golder To: Toni Willberg In-Reply-To: <448A8B9D.8010505@golder.org> References: <1108251195.11292.6.camel@nasu> <448A8B9D.8010505@golder.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:49:27 +0700 Message-Id: <1152776968.17165.96.camel@rossg-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.534 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.065, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.534 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME sysadmin list , gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:50:09 -0000 On ส., 2006-06-10 at 16:06 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > I would like to move ahead with this as soon as possible. Not only has > it been outstanding for way too long, it shouldn't be too hard or scary > to do, it shouldn't break anything (at least not irreparably), and would > be nice to get done and be allowed to settle before GUADEC. Thanks for > doing the groundwork Toni (and Kurt) - now it's about time we did > something about it :) > > I am proposing to action this tomorrow at about 0800UTC. Does anyone > have any objections or foresee any problems? > Done now. FTR, I copied /usr/share/zoneinfo/UTC to /etc/localtime on all six machines, and updated the crontab entries identified by Toni. -- Ross From vincent@vuntz.net Thu Jul 13 10:03:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CFDF3B029F; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:03:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18306-04; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:03:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 276E33B028C; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:03:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C5489112698; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:03:37 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:03:37 +0200 From: Vincent Untz To: Ross Golder Subject: Re: Time to move GGV to the Attic? (Was: Subversion migration recap (cut-off Friday July 14th)) Message-ID: <20060713100337.GB28420@vuntz.net> References: <1152444988.9101.16.camel@red> <1152503442.4652.29.camel@cezanne.site> <1152766082.17165.29.camel@rossg-desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1152766082.17165.29.camel@rossg-desktop> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.554 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.046, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.554 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Infrastructure , gnome-hackers@gnome.org, Gary Ekker X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:03:42 -0000 Le jeudi 13 juillet 2006, à 11:48, Ross Golder a écrit : > On อา., 2006-07-09 at 21:50 -0600, Gary Ekker wrote: > > On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 18:36 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > > Now would be an ideal opportunity to let us know about any old CVS > > > modules you know about that are redundant, so we can put them out of the > > > way in the Attic before the migration. > > > > I think it is an appropriate time to move GGV to the Attic, we haven't > > shipped it in GNOME for over a year. All feature development is now done > > in the Evince project. I haven't checked, but I doubt any distros are > > still shipping GGV. Bug fixing has slowed to almost nothing, and there > > will likely never be another release... > > > > OK, moved to the Attic. It can always be resurrected and migrated later > if deemed necessary. Err, I thought we had a special CVS Root for this: archives. http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/?root=archive Attic is inappropriate for this, IMHO. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From ross@golder.org Thu Jul 13 12:13:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DB943B03D3; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:13:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24299-04; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:13:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BCEE3B04AD; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:13:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF2974BAE; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:13:25 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cNwmlKzGs6Uw; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:13:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from [172.16.2.40] (unknown [125.24.76.250]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A60924BAB; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:13:16 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Time to move GGV to the Attic? (Was: Subversion migration recap (cut-off Friday July 14th)) From: Ross Golder To: Vincent Untz In-Reply-To: <20060713100337.GB28420@vuntz.net> References: <1152444988.9101.16.camel@red> <1152503442.4652.29.camel@cezanne.site> <1152766082.17165.29.camel@rossg-desktop> <20060713100337.GB28420@vuntz.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:13:11 +0700 Message-Id: <1152792791.5844.0.camel@rossg-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.532 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.067, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.532 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Infrastructure , gnome-hackers@gnome.org, Gary Ekker X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:13:40 -0000 On พฤ., 2006-07-13 at 12:03 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > Le jeudi 13 juillet 2006, à 11:48, Ross Golder a écrit : > > On อา., 2006-07-09 at 21:50 -0600, Gary Ekker wrote: > > > On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 18:36 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > > > Now would be an ideal opportunity to let us know about any old CVS > > > > modules you know about that are redundant, so we can put them out of the > > > > way in the Attic before the migration. > > > > > > I think it is an appropriate time to move GGV to the Attic, we haven't > > > shipped it in GNOME for over a year. All feature development is now done > > > in the Evince project. I haven't checked, but I doubt any distros are > > > still shipping GGV. Bug fixing has slowed to almost nothing, and there > > > will likely never be another release... > > > > > > > OK, moved to the Attic. It can always be resurrected and migrated later > > if deemed necessary. > > Err, I thought we had a special CVS Root for this: archives. > http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/?root=archive > > Attic is inappropriate for this, IMHO. > > Vincent > OK. I wasn't aware of that. Moved from the Attic to the archive. -- Ross From andy@andycc.net Wed Jul 12 14:10:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 797963B02D0 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:10:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08356-06 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:10:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sydney.mailnetwork.co.uk (server88-208-192-113.live-servers.net [88.208.192.113]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85BB83B043A for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:10:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andyshellam-gw.adsl.newnet.co.uk ([80.175.198.137]:59194 helo=[192.168.1.15]) by sydney.mailnetwork.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1G00Ko-0001P6-Hv; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:18:18 +0100 Message-ID: <44B299E8.8010607@andycc.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:18:16 +0100 From: Andy Shellam Organization: the mail network User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ross Golder , gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Re: www.gtkmm.org hosting References: <1143130036.6942.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143130109.6942.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143209101.12253.18.camel@yellow> <1143209712.5969.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144063086.6062.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1145376467.17987.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149102258.5720.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149106990.5720.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149168356.5197.5.camel@green> <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> <1152543926.9094.30.camel@red> In-Reply-To: <1152543926.9094.30.camel@red> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.466 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.466 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:38:19 +0000 X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: andy@andycc.net List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:10:13 -0000 Hi Ross (and others): If you can give a list of skills required, what sort of systems you manage, future expectations etc, (I suppose similar to a job spec), I'd definitely be interested in helping out :) I currently run my own web, database and e-mail servers (Linux w/ Gnome of course ;) ), and I'm a software analyst by day-time profession, but have commercial experience in managing Windows, Linux and Unix servers, and our server estate at work covers 200+ servers. I'd love to see if I can offer anything to team :) Regards Andy Ross Golder wrote: > I have been considering starting (another) internal thread on how we can > widen the GNOME sysadmin team some more. We made a request for sysadmin > volunteers a couple of years ago, and got a good response, but > unfortunately we turned most of them down and only took up a few of them > on their offers, as we only needed a few more pairs of hands at the > time. > > Now we have a small influx of new hardware and hosting offers, we are > going to need to make sure they don't sit idle waiting for us to get > round to them. I think we are going to need to consider taking on a few > more worthy volunteers into the team to help prepare and execute any > plans we will be drawing up and help maintain a certain level of service > etc. > > Anyway, what with the subversion migration and other (non-GNOME) work, > I'll be a bit busy for the next few weeks, but hopefully by the time > that settles, Murray (and anyone else with an opinion) should have > started setting some of the expectations and we can begin to discuss how > to meet them ;) I look forward to seeing them. > > -- > Ross > > > _______________________________________________ > Gnome-infrastructure mailing list > Gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-infrastructure > > !DSPAM:14,44b2888034531041548765! > > > From gekker@novell.com Wed Jul 12 16:09:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D9793B0162 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:09:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15617-01 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [130.57.169.10]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 471083B013A for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 21470 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2006 03:53:01 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO ?192.168.0.100?) (gekker@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Jul 2006 03:53:01 -0000 Subject: Re: Time to move GGV to the Attic? (Was: Subversion migration recap (cut-off Friday July 14th)) From: Gary Ekker To: Ross Golder In-Reply-To: <1152444988.9101.16.camel@red> References: <1152444988.9101.16.camel@red> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 21:50:41 -0600 Message-Id: <1152503442.4652.29.camel@cezanne.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.399 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.399 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:38:19 +0000 Cc: GNOME Infrastructure , gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 20:09:06 -0000 On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 18:36 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > Now would be an ideal opportunity to let us know about any old CVS > modules you know about that are redundant, so we can put them out of the > way in the Attic before the migration. I think it is an appropriate time to move GGV to the Attic, we haven't shipped it in GNOME for over a year. All feature development is now done in the Evince project. I haven't checked, but I doubt any distros are still shipping GGV. Bug fixing has slowed to almost nothing, and there will likely never be another release... That said I'm not sure if there are criteria that a module has to meet before it is archived. I'm about to leave town on holiday, and won't have access to email until after the migration begins, so I can't participate in any pre-migration discussion this may generate. The GGV module can definitely be one of the last, if it is even necessary to migrate it at all. -Gary From toni@willberg.fi Thu Jul 13 09:50:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ABB33B028C for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:50:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17515-09 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:50:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gw03.mail.saunalahti.fi (gw03.mail.saunalahti.fi [195.197.172.111]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 090EB3B02DF for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:50:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from willberg.fi (KMMMDXXXII.dsl.saunalahti.fi [62.142.131.132]) by gw03.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E70F216198 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:50:10 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [192.168.100.55] (laalaa.home.willberg.fi [192.168.100.55]) by willberg.fi (8.13.5/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k6D9nRIh002114 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:49:27 +0300 Message-ID: <44B61757.1030805@willberg.fi> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:50:15 +0300 From: Toni Willberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Re: Widen the team? [was: www.gtkmm.org hosting] References: <1149106990.5720.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149168356.5197.5.camel@green> <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> <1152543926.9094.30.camel@red> <20060710202714.GO655@waugh.id.au> In-Reply-To: <20060710202714.GO655@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/1539/Wed Jun 14 17:21:49 2006 clamav-milter version 0.80j on 127.0.0.1 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.436 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.028, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.436 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:38:19 +0000 X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:50:16 -0000 Jeff Waugh kirjoitti: > > >> I have been considering starting (another) internal thread on how we can >> widen the GNOME sysadmin team some more. > > Sorry to be characteristically blunt, but we don't need more people - that > would just complicate matters more - what we do need is more attentive and > more professional people. I have been surprised and dismayed at the recent > issues we've been having and the actions taken to paper over or dodge them > rather than actually fix them. Our machines have always been in a somewhat > mediocre state, but the current churn and reactive approach to improvement > is taking its toll. Now, this is not all gar... It's been obvious over the > past month that I have been paying much more attention to sysadmin issues. > So I'm not idly complaining - I intend to spend more time on it. > > - Jeff > My opinion (based on experience) is that the Foundation should hire one part-time system administrator to take care of mission critical services. The volunteer sysadmin team would be doing whatever they (we) have been doing as usual, but the head of the team would be actually responsible of things (also in legal perspective). This arrangement should avoid some of the pingpong issues we have had in the past. In my opinion some of the delays have been caused by the fact that there has been no-one who can (or have been willing to) make decisions about certain things. If the idea gets support, could someone please escalate this to the Foundation, thanks. - Toni ps. sorry about not having time to do sysadmin tasks actively anymore :( From qub333@gmail.com Thu Jul 13 13:27:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CFFF3B0516 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:27:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27932-08 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:27:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51A5A3B04E3 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:27:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id 57so211639pya for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 06:27:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.91.10 with SMTP id t10mr752576pyl; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 06:27:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.8.13 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 06:27:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <88d636060607130627j70ff9ca6g6125746d5a353e7a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:27:42 -0400 From: "Kevin Kubasik" Sender: qub333@gmail.com To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Debian Server Compramise MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: f24165d09233aab2 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.409 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.009, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.409 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:27:44 -0000 I know this isn't all that exciting or relevant (I guess its pretty common for servers to be compromised) but I feel most OSS projects see this far less often then corporate systems. Regardless, It appears one of Debian's servers was compromised, while they haven't made much in terms of details public, it might be worth a scan of our logs for anything suspicious if we have some hacker with an anti-OSS vendetta, or who is at least proficient against *nix based machines. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/07/msg00003.html Not trying to cry wolf or cite serious concern, but also if anyone on the list happens to know the debian sysadmins more personally, they may want to get specifics. -- Cheers, Kevin Kubasik http://kubasik.net/blog From jdub@waugh.id.au Thu Jul 13 13:47:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C774D3B0455 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:47:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28828-09 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:47:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A05283B0514 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:47:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29F733C3E5 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:47:06 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A8C914113; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:47:02 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:47:02 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Re: Widen the team? [was: www.gtkmm.org hosting] Message-ID: <20060713134702.GJ655@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org References: <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> <1152543926.9094.30.camel@red> <20060710202714.GO655@waugh.id.au> <44B61757.1030805@willberg.fi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <44B61757.1030805@willberg.fi> Reply-By: Sun Jul 16 23:44:36 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 23:44:36 up 8 days, 17:01, 8 users, load average: 0.01, 0.02, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.448 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.448 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:47:07 -0000 > If the idea gets support, could someone please escalate this to the > Foundation, thanks. *board hat on* The GNOME Foundation Board is aware of this want/need, and is working toward putting the Foundation on much better financial footing, such that we could make this kind of investment safely. There is definitely no timeline for a sysadmin position opening, but it's definitely on the agenda for the future. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "And that's what it sounds like if you *download* it!" - John Linnell of They Might Be Giants From ross@golder.org Thu Jul 13 15:23:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0A9C3B0324 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:23:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01450-02 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:23:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D27623B0061 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:23:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 040484BAE; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:23:32 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2J7W-bJfzFL8; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:23:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from [172.16.2.40] (unknown [125.24.76.250]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFE0E4BA7; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:23:26 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: www.gtkmm.org hosting From: Ross Golder To: andy@andycc.net In-Reply-To: <44B299E8.8010607@andycc.net> References: <1143130036.6942.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143130109.6942.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1143209101.12253.18.camel@yellow> <1143209712.5969.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144063086.6062.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1145376467.17987.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149102258.5720.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149106990.5720.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149168356.5197.5.camel@green> <1149285453.5726.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150948393.5711.6.camel@red> <1151090278.31826.10.camel@localhost> <1151160426.8063.138.camel@red> <1152448671.6469.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1152449689.9442.12.camel@red> <1152519827.5110.14.camel@localhost> <1152543926.9094.30.camel@red> <44B299E8.8010607@andycc.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 22:23:21 +0700 Message-Id: <1152804201.6333.9.camel@rossg-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.531 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.068, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.531 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:23:36 -0000 On จ., 2006-07-10 at 19:18 +0100, Andy Shellam wrote: > Hi Ross (and others): > > If you can give a list of skills required, what sort of systems you > manage, future expectations etc, (I suppose similar to a job spec), I'd > definitely be interested in helping out :) > > I currently run my own web, database and e-mail servers (Linux w/ Gnome > of course ;) ), and I'm a software analyst by day-time profession, but > have commercial experience in managing Windows, Linux and Unix servers, > and our server estate at work covers 200+ servers. > > I'd love to see if I can offer anything to team :) > A good place to start would be to read: http://live.gnome.org/HelpingSysadmin Thanks, -- Ross From qub333@gmail.com Thu Jul 13 16:09:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D88E13B046F for ; 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Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:07:07 -0300 (BRT) Subject: Re: Debian Server Compramise From: "Guilherme de S. Pastore" To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <88d636060607130627j70ff9ca6g6125746d5a353e7a@mail.gmail.com> References: <88d636060607130627j70ff9ca6g6125746d5a353e7a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:07:05 -0300 Message-Id: <1152810425.4949.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.152 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.460, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.152 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:07:12 -0000 Il giorno gio, 13/07/2006 alle 09.27 -0400, Kevin Kubasik ha scritto: > Regardless, It appears one > of Debian's servers was compromised This is not the first time a Debian server is compromised, and the last time it happened it was much worse. As far as I can tell, both times it was a combination of a developer password being sniffed together with a rootkit, and that is exactly the reason gnome.org users do not have passwords. -- Guilherme de S. Pastore fatalerror From qub333@gmail.com Thu Jul 13 18:07:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D8243B059C for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:07:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09073-09 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:07:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 446FF3B0601 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:07:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id 57so306129pya for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:07:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.103.12 with SMTP id f12mr939752pym; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:07:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.8.13 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:07:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <88d636060607131107p463c4499oc1cfa79f8b96331b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:07:11 -0400 From: "Kevin Kubasik" Sender: qub333@gmail.com To: "Guilherme de S. Pastore" Subject: Re: Debian Server Compramise In-Reply-To: <1152810425.4949.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <88d636060607130627j70ff9ca6g6125746d5a353e7a@mail.gmail.com> <1152810425.4949.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Google-Sender-Auth: b90bedbebcb5fb1d X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.409 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.009, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.409 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:07:15 -0000 Sounds peachy :) I am surprised to hear that the debian accounts have passwords and are not exclusivly keys. O well, Kevin Kubasik On 7/13/06, Guilherme de S. Pastore wrote: > Il giorno gio, 13/07/2006 alle 09.27 -0400, Kevin Kubasik ha scritto: > > Regardless, It appears one > > of Debian's servers was compromised > > This is not the first time a Debian server is compromised, and the last > time it happened it was much worse. As far as I can tell, both times it > was a combination of a developer password being sniffed together with a > rootkit, and that is exactly the reason gnome.org users do not have > passwords. > > -- > Guilherme de S. Pastore > fatalerror > > _______________________________________________ > Gnome-infrastructure mailing list > Gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-infrastructure > -- Cheers, Kevin Kubasik http://kubasik.net/blog From qub333@gmail.com Sat Jul 15 23:57:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00ACD3B00CC for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:57:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03265-05 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:57:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.192]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DB853B014C for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:57:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id t10so478191wxc for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 16:57:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.32.11 with SMTP id f11mr1206096wxf; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 16:57:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.109? ( [69.140.109.194]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id i17sm5034088wxd.2006.07.15.16.57.42; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 16:57:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <44B980E1.9020403@kubasik.net> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 19:57:21 -0400 From: Kevin Kubasik User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060615) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Duplicate modules in SVN migration plan X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 OpenPGP: id=43337DF4; url=http://kubasik.net/KevinKubasik.asc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: Kevin Kubasik X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.363 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.037, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.363 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:57:47 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 I just noticed that beagle is scheduled to be migrated twice, once with the first priority list, and once in the third. I don't know if it would actually be detrimental if this happened, but to save time we should probably check for any other duplicates. http://www.gnome.org/~rossg/migration-priority-1.list http://www.gnome.org/~rossg/migration-priority-2.list http://www.gnome.org/~rossg/migration-priority-3.list - -- Cheers, Kevin Kubasik 240-838-6616 http://kubasik.net/blog -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iQIVAwUBRLmA4f3xZFNDM330AQh5gg/+P6zwWLGACfPwoHPbYp3gIuo4j4dra7Or vkIIk5BgA0Kc2OdFuz7nqAoTM9VUBJ4er6osBDNvdemznljnVuR3DUYj38OKLW+B Nm1YGD7OkO6UbOPdUq1y3V7HJY4+So1I6jmi2KaP5yZpLI8RdaidLrBwjIuqE4G9 Va17lCdv9tjJEm0bg42EDIPVRreIe/lZAxq1BcpzIr2nFP62a/fdiqkKo1s3Rhah 9KgbHiGmOqF/DbnYiclFax0P9Zfqp2v4RrtTWnltEy/C5MreNXADxhu0E9dizwt/ CEkidcYbcKuk1UG8KrnUBgfBw7pEzvzCa+VSzMxr6MEkbo6qsfq9fZJh9bkSt+Af PhQr6umrani+S4HSWXvMCFfvpXhimH8ycFBrroIODYiCPEG5BfzUCI+roL0t8bRJ CxmrM4W2mIc5BchNACPh2ocz7RbFVMSdDSJN/nab3jw01QGv7p01cxEeyIomV845 6Am/b4M+UAYXW4TNP12sxkU2bakGEPYyyTaok2PW/3ptNIqJUCcQUdRogkbtJYia 0MYaYCYxp6VR5a7AvKuuPNljjWiuQorGupRlQIH9r9CnUkLiM84vKqVKeN8yEtDR NbxxxxQkSed0Q32qe+uGn1ML+MTm2EUkIg68Je9xRp6MRDYPvYrlMP9adpbrhCW6 /8ZxVWCLqag= =iRhu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From behdad.esfahbod@gmail.com Sun Jul 16 00:34:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8112C3B010B for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:34:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04630-05 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:34:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.228]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB0323B010A for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:34:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i4so345792wra for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 17:34:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.84.1 with SMTP id h1mr870112wrb; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 17:34:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.190.5? ( [72.136.156.47]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 5sm1296541wrh.2006.07.15.17.34.15; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 17:34:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Subversion migration in progress: CVS is now read-only From: Behdad Esfahbod To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20060715000727.GE655@waugh.id.au> References: <20060715000727.GE655@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 20:34:14 -0400 Message-Id: <1153010054.23526.13.camel@home> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 (2.6.2-1.fc5.5) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: Behdad Esfahbod X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.476 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.076, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.476 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:34:19 -0000 On Fri, 2006-07-14 at 20:07 -0400, Jeff Waugh wrote: > Good morning, freedom lovers! > > The migration from CVS to Subversion has begun. As of 00:00 UTC, CVS is read > only, and modules are being imported into the new Subversion repository. For > more information about the Subversion migration, please read: > > http://live.gnome.org/Subversion > > You can track modules during migration at... http://svn.gnome.org/migration/ Can we get Pango migrated before Monday? I'll be in away for conferences next week and expect to commit. Thanks behdad > Thanks, > > - Jeff > > -- > linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ > > 'unf' is walking into a door. > 'untz' is walking into a drum kit. -- behdad http://behdad.org/ "Commandment Three says Do Not Kill, Amendment Two says Blood Will Spill" -- Dan Bern, "New American Language" From jdub@waugh.id.au Sun Jul 16 00:49:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 283D93B012B for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:49:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05706-02 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:49:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 057D93B010B for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:49:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48F093D973 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:49:48 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E7AD63F3C; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:49:39 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:49:39 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: GNOME Infrastructure Subject: More ping-a-lings Message-ID: <20060716004939.GB2821@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME Infrastructure MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 Reply-By: Wed Jul 19 10:49:26 EST 2006 X-Uptime: 10:49:27 up 11 days, 4:06, 7 users, load average: 0.09, 0.03, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.45 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.45 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:49:50 -0000 Hey. Ping. Y'know? - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "I think hot Chinese girls who kick ass are the wave of the future, as far as films go." - Cody Russell From jdub@perkypants.org Sun Jul 16 01:18:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BED2E3B010B for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 01:18:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06784-01 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 01:18:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA01F3B0161 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 01:18:31 +0000 (UTC) To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: ping Message-Id: <20060716011831.AA01F3B0161@menubar.gnome.org> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 01:18:31 +0000 (UTC) From: jdub@perkypants.org X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.131 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-2.300, BAYES_40=-0.185, MSGID_FROM_MTA_ID=1.393, NO_REAL_NAME=0.961] X-Spam-Score: -0.131 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 01:18:51 -0000 ping From ross@golder.org Sun Jul 16 05:23:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 991A03B023E for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:23:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28215-04 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:23:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 866B03B0185 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:23:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9CD44BAF; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:23:21 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qnmoVn4Z6KF9; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:23:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from [172.16.2.40] (unknown [125.24.65.255]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05D944BAE; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:23:16 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Duplicate modules in SVN migration plan From: Ross Golder To: Kevin Kubasik In-Reply-To: <44B980E1.9020403@kubasik.net> References: <44B980E1.9020403@kubasik.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 12:22:26 +0700 Message-Id: <1153027363.7084.24.camel@rossg-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.531 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.068, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.531 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:23:24 -0000 On ส., 2006-07-15 at 19:57 -0400, Kevin Kubasik wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 > > I just noticed that beagle is scheduled to be migrated twice, once with > the first priority list, and once in the third. I don't know if it would > actually be detrimental if this happened, but to save time we should > probably check for any other duplicates. > http://www.gnome.org/~rossg/migration-priority-1.list > http://www.gnome.org/~rossg/migration-priority-2.list > http://www.gnome.org/~rossg/migration-priority-3.list Duplicates aren't a problem. The script ignores any it's already converted. -- Ross From ross@golder.org Sun Jul 16 05:24:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56F283B0182 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:24:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28230-07 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:24:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2730E3B013A for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:24:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CB8D4BAF; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:24:51 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TkilWK6d33z5; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:24:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from [172.16.2.40] (unknown [125.24.65.255]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA7734BAE; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:24:46 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Subversion migration in progress: CVS is now read-only From: Ross Golder To: Behdad Esfahbod In-Reply-To: <1153010054.23526.13.camel@home> References: <20060715000727.GE655@waugh.id.au> <1153010054.23526.13.camel@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 12:24:08 +0700 Message-Id: <1153027465.7084.27.camel@rossg-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.531 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.068, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.531 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:24:53 -0000 On ส., 2006-07-15 at 20:34 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > On Fri, 2006-07-14 at 20:07 -0400, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > Good morning, freedom lovers! > > > > The migration from CVS to Subversion has begun. As of 00:00 UTC, CVS is read > > only, and modules are being imported into the new Subversion repository. For > > more information about the Subversion migration, please read: > > > > http://live.gnome.org/Subversion > > > > You can track modules during migration at... http://svn.gnome.org/migration/ > > Can we get Pango migrated before Monday? I'll be in away for > conferences next week and expect to commit. > > Thanks > behdad > Migration's cancelled for now. You should be able to commit to CVS as before. -- Ross From ross@golder.org Sun Jul 16 05:25:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 000873B0182 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:25:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28229-07 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:25:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02D2F3B01B3 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:25:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 491A24BAF; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:25:53 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8OujsJLllDpw; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:25:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from [172.16.2.40] (unknown [125.24.65.255]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32D804BAE; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:25:48 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: More ping-a-lings From: Ross Golder To: Jeff Waugh In-Reply-To: <20060716004939.GB2821@waugh.id.au> References: <20060716004939.GB2821@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 12:25:11 +0700 Message-Id: <1153027528.7084.29.camel@rossg-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.532 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.067, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.532 X-Spam-Level: Cc: GNOME Infrastructure X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:25:55 -0000 On อา., 2006-07-16 at 10:49 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > Hey. Ping. Y'know? > Yeah, pong and all. -- Ross From olav@bkor.dhs.org Sun Jul 16 08:42:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 075D33B00CB for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:42:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01572-05 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:42:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from amsfep11-int.chello.nl (amsfep17-int.chello.nl [213.46.243.15]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D9D3B006E for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:42:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bkor.dhs.org ([24.132.164.94]) by amsfep11-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with ESMTP id <20060716083254.LLQL1153.amsfep11-int.chello.nl@bkor.dhs.org> for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:32:54 +0200 Received: by bkor.dhs.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id DB6B263A2C4; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:42:11 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:42:11 +0200 From: Olav Vitters To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Re: Duplicate modules in SVN migration plan Message-ID: <20060716084211.GB18187@bkor.dhs.org> References: <44B980E1.9020403@kubasik.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <44B980E1.9020403@kubasik.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.335 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.071, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.335 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:42:28 -0000 On Sat, Jul 15, 2006 at 07:57:21PM -0400, Kevin Kubasik wrote: > I just noticed that beagle is scheduled to be migrated twice, once with > the first priority list, and once in the third. I don't know if it would > actually be detrimental if this happened, but to save time we should > probably check for any other duplicates. Thanks for the heads up. This has already been thought of. Modules would not have been converted twice. -- Regards, Olav From mneptok@mneptok.com Sun Jul 16 08:50:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6B233B02E2 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:50:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01947-02 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:50:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from squishy.internetofdeath.com (squishy.internetofdeath.com [198.145.247.148]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83F303B023A for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:50:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from new-host.home (mneptok.com [64.26.155.12]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by squishy.internetofdeath.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF8262CC5CA; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 01:48:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: ping From: Kurt von Finck To: jdub@perkypants.org In-Reply-To: <20060716011831.AA01F3B0161@menubar.gnome.org> References: <20060716011831.AA01F3B0161@menubar.gnome.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 04:50:20 -0400 Message-Id: <1153039820.10117.5.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.464 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.464 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:50:29 -0000 On Sun, 2006-07-16 at 01:18 +0000, jdub@perkypants.org wrote: > ping pong? ./k kurt von finck -- http://www.mneptok.com mneptok@mneptok.com -- public key at: pgp.mit.edu server key id: 5229D26A -- Success is more a function of consistent common sense than it is of genius. - An Wang -- From jdub@waugh.id.au Sun Jul 16 10:53:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF8723B03A1 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:53:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07110-03 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:53:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33BE73B0393 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:53:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F92C3D992 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 20:53:44 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C89E33F3C; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 20:53:38 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 20:53:38 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: GNOME Infrastructure Subject: round-trip test Message-ID: <20060716105338.GD2821@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME Infrastructure MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Reply-By: Wed Jul 19 20:53:14 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 20:53:14 up 11 days, 14:10, 8 users, load average: 0.08, 0.03, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.441 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.023, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.441 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:53:46 -0000 It is not necessary to answer this mail. When it hits the list, I will receive it too... :-) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ No match for "LINUSWEARSTHEPANTS.ORG". From jdub@waugh.id.au Sun Jul 16 11:17:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60E2B3B0074 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:17:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09261-03 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:17:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B27C3B01B4 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:17:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0A463D998 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 21:17:31 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 713213F3C; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 21:17:28 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 21:17:28 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Re: round-trip test Message-ID: <20060716111728.GE2821@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org References: <20060716105338.GD2821@waugh.id.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060716105338.GD2821@waugh.id.au> Reply-By: Wed Jul 19 21:09:33 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.17-4-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 21:09:33 up 11 days, 14:26, 8 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.441 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.023, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.441 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:17:33 -0000 > It is not necessary to answer this mail. When it hits the list, I will > receive it too... :-) Ignoring the time between my laptop and my mail server (I use fetchmail, so it's going to be terribly inconsistent): Received: from node.waugh.id.au by menubar.gnome.org; 10:53:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org by node.waugh.id.au; 20:53:48 +1000 (EST) There's no significant clock skew between them. Let's call it at worst case, one second, and we around about a 5 second round-trip which *includes* going through Amavis. :-) (That's for a small list, though. But the latest round-trip times on the big lists are looking good too.) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ No pants is good pants. From olav@bkor.dhs.org Sun Jul 16 11:33:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 138943B0074 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:33:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09858-05 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:33:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from amsfep17-int.chello.nl (unknown [213.46.243.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 654283B01DD for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:33:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bkor.dhs.org ([24.132.164.94]) by amsfep13-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with ESMTP id <20060716113301.VKMP1849.amsfep13-int.chello.nl@bkor.dhs.org> for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 13:33:01 +0200 Received: by bkor.dhs.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id DA9B263A482; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 13:33:00 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 13:33:00 +0200 From: Olav Vitters To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Re: round-trip test Message-ID: <20060716113300.GC18187@bkor.dhs.org> References: <20060716105338.GD2821@waugh.id.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060716105338.GD2821@waugh.id.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.402 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.003, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.402 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:33:32 -0000 On Sun, Jul 16, 2006 at 08:53:38PM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > It is not necessary to answer this mail. When it hits the list, I will > receive it too... :-) But I want to test the roundtrip as well! -- Regards, Olav From vincent@vuntz.net Wed Jul 19 15:23:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 274A43B01D0 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:23:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28442-10 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:23:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E159E3B013B for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:23:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 005E5112693; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:22:59 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:22:59 +0200 From: Vincent Untz To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Small addition to the "cvs account created" template Message-ID: <20060719152259.GZ28420@vuntz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.554 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.046, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.554 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:23:02 -0000 Hi my heroes, I'm pretty sure you're using a template for the mail you send to people after having created a cvs account. Would it be possible to add somewhere in this template something like: "Now that you have a CVS account, you might also want to become a member of the GNOME Foundation. You can apply at http://foundation.gnome.org/membership/application.php" This would help getting our new contributors sooner in the Foundation. Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From guilherme.pastore@terra.com.br Wed Jul 19 16:36:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61EC03B009D for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:36:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32438-09 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:36:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from buraja.hst.terra.com.br (buraja.hst.terra.com.br [200.176.10.198]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51E0D3B00B4 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:36:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from domoni.hst.terra.com.br (domoni.hst.terra.com.br [200.176.10.16]) by buraja.hst.terra.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAB1122A4096 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:36:13 -0300 (BRT) X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: c9702a2827bd73c25196ac082d64f3d8 Received-SPF: pass (domoni.hst.terra.com.br: domain of terra.com.br designates 200.176.10.16 as permitted sender) client-ip=200.176.10.16; envelope-from=guilherme.pastore@terra.com.br; helo=[192.168.1.3]; Received: from [192.168.1.3] (unknown [201.52.45.156]) (authenticated user guilherme.pastore) by domoni.hst.terra.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id B04D51588087 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:36:13 -0300 (BRT) Subject: Re: Small addition to the "cvs account created" template From: "Guilherme de S. Pastore" To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20060719152259.GZ28420@vuntz.net> References: <20060719152259.GZ28420@vuntz.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:36:12 -0300 Message-Id: <1153326972.4608.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.167 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.475, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.167 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:36:16 -0000 Em Qua, 2006-07-19 às 17:22 +0200, Vincent Untz escreveu: > Would it be possible to add somewhere in this template something like: > "Now that you have a CVS account, you might also want to become a member > of the GNOME Foundation. You can apply at > http://foundation.gnome.org/membership/application.php" We already mention it because of guidelines for @cvs.gnome.org mail aliases usage and how to get a @gnome.org one, but I think we can be more enthusiastic about the Foundation than about mail aliases there, indeed. I have been wanting to clean, fix and update the templates a bit for some time, so I'll stick this in whenever I get down to it (hopefully and quite probably this week). Cheers, -- Guilherme de S. Pastore fatalerror From olav@bkor.dhs.org Sun Jul 30 17:28:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DCE23B037F for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09788-08 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:28:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amsfep18-int.chello.nl (amsfep17-int.chello.nl [213.46.243.15]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33E3E3B0387 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bkor.dhs.org ([24.132.164.94]) by amsfep18-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with ESMTP id <20060730212815.PYWA1318.amsfep18-int.chello.nl@bkor.dhs.org> for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 23:28:15 +0200 Received: by bkor.dhs.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id 95FD0A045; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 23:28:14 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 23:28:14 +0200 From: Olav Vitters To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Subject: Python 2,2 and 2.4 on container Message-ID: <20060730212813.GD22190@bkor.dhs.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.433 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.031, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.433 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:28:30 -0000 Evandro Fernandes Giovanini mentioned on d-d-l that atrpms.net had Python 2.4 rpms for RHEL3. As I do not trust that source I downloaded the src.rpm, verified the sources + spec + patches are sane and recompiled it in my homedir. Now container has Python 2.4 in /usr/bin/python2.4 or /usr/bin/python24. When reviewing the patches I noticed some references to Python 2.3, so please verify if it is working correctly. To install the Python 2.4 rpm on another server, do: rpm -ivh ~ovitters/rpm/RPMS/i386/python24-2.4.1-2_8.i386.rpm It had a python24-tools + tkinter24 package as well, but I did not install those. Just to be clear: the rpm does NOT overwrite the existing Python install (as long as the existing install is Python 2.2 / 2.3). -- Regards, Olav From ross@golder.org Mon Jul 31 07:27:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA62D3B0012 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:27:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08088-01 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:27:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8EDC3B0076 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:27:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E9174BA4; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:27:37 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tmVYJGi8uiYr; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:27:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from [172.16.2.40] (unknown [125.24.69.111]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A826D40D9; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:27:30 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <44CDE914.6050804@golder.org> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:27:16 +0700 From: Ross Golder User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olav Vitters Subject: Re: Python 2,2 and 2.4 on container References: <20060730212813.GD22190@bkor.dhs.org> In-Reply-To: <20060730212813.GD22190@bkor.dhs.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.529 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.070, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.529 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-infrastructure@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: "Public discussion of gnome.org services" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:27:47 -0000 Olav Vitters wrote: > Evandro Fernandes Giovanini mentioned on d-d-l that atrpms.net had > Python 2.4 rpms for RHEL3. As I do not trust that source I downloaded > the src.rpm, verified the sources + spec + patches are sane and > recompiled it in my homedir. > > Now container has Python 2.4 in /usr/bin/python2.4 or /usr/bin/python24. > When reviewing the patches I noticed some references to Python 2.3, so > please verify if it is working correctly. > > To install the Python 2.4 rpm on another server, do: > rpm -ivh ~ovitters/rpm/RPMS/i386/python24-2.4.1-2_8.i386.rpm > > It had a python24-tools + tkinter24 package as well, but I did not > install those. > > Just to be clear: the rpm does NOT overwrite the existing Python install > (as long as the existing install is Python 2.2 / 2.3). > However, it does update the /usr/bin/python symlink, but that shouldn't be a problem. FYI, I installed these RPMs on menubar too, thinking it might fix the segfault on malformed UTF-8 I was having, but it didn't. I ended up finding another workaround instead. -- Ross