From ross at golder.org Thu Jun 15 04:34:36 2006 From: ross at golder.org (Ross Golder) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 15:34:36 +0700 Subject: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) In-Reply-To: <4484532B.4070109@gnome.org> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <4484532B.4070109@gnome.org> Message-ID: <1150360476.7547.65.camel@red> On Mon, 2006-06-05 at 12:52 -0300, Johan Dahlin wrote: > [..] > > http://svn.gnome.org/trunk/project > [..] > > http://svn.gnome.org/tags/project/PROJECT_1_0_0/project > [..] > > http://svn.gnome.org/branches/project/project-1-0-branch/project > [..] > > http://svn.gnome.org/branches/gnome-2-16/project > [..] > > All of these urls assumes that there will only be one repository for all the > modules/projects. It is not possible to branch between repositories. > > It seems like (judging by the revision numbers found on svn.gnome.org) that > it is currently done by having one repository per module/project. > Indeed. One repository per module is the way I have been doing it. > I'm in favor of having one big repository, which would allow this kind of > aliasing. The main disadvantage is the big revision numbers (6 or 7 digits). > I can see there are plenty of good arguments for and against the three main approaches (single, multiple and mixed) described in the 'Choosing a Repository Layout' section of the manual . However, I still feel that the multiple repositories approach will work best for GNOME. I think being able to import/export and control (e.g. hook scripts, revision numbers, branches/tags etc) at a module level is the best approach. Eventually most monolithic things get broken down and modularised anyway, so IMHO we might as well start broken down (pretty much as we are now) and build up. The way the migration script works at the moment is that all modules will have a separate repository, with their own hook scripts etc. I particularly want this feature, so I can set up automatic e-mails for *only* commits on modules for which I am maintainer, without having to subscribe to the dirty great 'svn-commits-list'. Also, the migration script adds a call to a global shared hook-script, containing the 'svn-commits-list' hook among others. Also, it means projects can move to/from the GNOME subversion service more easily (without having to integrate/extract themselves from a monolithic repository). And, if one module gets corrupted or something, the whole repository doesn't become stalled. As for project-wide release tags (e.g. GNOME-2-14 etc), I can see that it's a tempting feature, but would it really give us a day-to-day advantage over individual repositories all using a common branch-name conversion to identify them? I'm imagining that a simple 'for...' loop for a given set of repositories would suffice in most cases. Also, historical project release branches/tags will probably be fragmented anyway where the different module maintainers haven't all used the same branching/tagging case and underscore/hyphen conventions. I'd be interested to hear the release team's view on whether a monolithic repo would really make their lives much easier. Anyway, if I'm way off the mark, and people really do think a monolithic repository (or even a mixed one, where we have a repository per group of packages) is the correct way forward, I'll happily cancel the upcoming migration again until someone can come up with a more suitable strategy :) Cheers, -- Ross > Johan > _______________________________________________ > gnome-hackers mailing list > gnome-hackers at gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-hackers From vuntz at gnome.org Thu Jun 15 05:17:23 2006 From: vuntz at gnome.org (Vincent Untz) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:17:23 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) In-Reply-To: <1150360476.7547.65.camel@red> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <4484532B.4070109@gnome.org> <1150360476.7547.65.camel@red> Message-ID: <33333.193.253.45.67.1150363043.squirrel@vuntz.net> On Thu, June 15, 2006 10:34, Ross Golder wrote: > I'd be interested to hear the release team's view on whether a > monolithic repo would really make their lives much easier. My really humble opinion (since I'm no expert) is that I agree with you on nearly everything. The per-module hooks are a killer feature for me. Just my ?0.02, since you asked for feedback ;-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas press?s. From joeshaw at novell.com Thu Jun 15 12:25:53 2006 From: joeshaw at novell.com (Joe Shaw) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 12:25:53 -0400 Subject: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) In-Reply-To: <1150360476.7547.65.camel@red> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <4484532B.4070109@gnome.org> <1150360476.7547.65.camel@red> Message-ID: <1150388753.19002.55.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Hi, On Thu, 2006-06-15 at 15:34 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > Indeed. One repository per module is the way I have been doing it. Ok, I have no real strong opinion on it. One large repo is just what I'm more used to (Mono). > However, I still feel that the multiple repositories approach will work > best for GNOME. I trust your judgement. :) > As for project-wide release tags (e.g. GNOME-2-14 etc), I can see that > it's a tempting feature, but would it really give us a day-to-day > advantage over individual repositories all using a common branch-name > conversion to identify them? I guess people these days mainly use jhbuild for large GNOME builds, so maybe it's not remotely as interesting as I think it is. Is that what the tinderboxes are using? Maybe blessing jhbuild as "gnome-build" or whatever would put me more at ease. It just seems to me that our build processes are very ad-hoc. Maybe they're not documented well, maybe they work fine and don't need to be. I don't know, I am just rambling at this point. > Anyway, if I'm way off the mark, and people really do think a monolithic > repository (or even a mixed one, where we have a repository per group of > packages) is the correct way forward, I'll happily cancel the upcoming > migration again until someone can come up with a more suitable > strategy :) Oh please no. You're doing a great job and I am dying waiting for svn. Joe From jdub at perkypants.org Thu Jun 15 14:07:02 2006 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 04:07:02 +1000 Subject: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) In-Reply-To: <1150388753.19002.55.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> References: <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <4484532B.4070109@gnome.org> <1150360476.7547.65.camel@red> <1150388753.19002.55.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Message-ID: <20060615180702.GS17421@waugh.id.au> > Oh please no. You're doing a great job and I am dying waiting for svn. SAVE JOE SHAW! - Jeff -- GUADEC 2006: Vilanova i la Geltr?, Spain http://2006.guadec.org/ "Old timers will tell you what a pain unstable was during the new testament transition." - Jon Corbet on Debian's KJV packages From behdad at cs.toronto.edu Thu Jun 15 17:38:06 2006 From: behdad at cs.toronto.edu (Behdad Esfahbod) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:38:06 -0400 Subject: Women's Summer Outreach Program 2006 Message-ID: <1150407487.29623.12.camel@home> GNOME to Sponsor Female Developers in a Summer Outreach Program BOSTON, Mass - June 13, 2006 - The GNOME Foundation is offering USD$9000 to female students in order to promote the participation of women in GNOME-related development. The money originates from GNOME's participation in the Google "Summer of Code" program (code.google.com/soc/), for which GNOME developers will mentor 20 students working throughout the northern summer on GNOME-related projects. This year GNOME received 181 applications to Google's program, yet none were from women. The GNOME Foundation has therefore chosen to reinvest Google's contribution into a new program designed to increase the participation of women in GNOME. The program has no official relationship with Google. "Free software prides itself on being open to anyone with a good idea, yet less than 2% of free software developers are female. We, as a community, need to be actively working to change this statistic, and programs like this one are a much needed step in the right direction." said Hanna Wallach, a GNOME developer who is involved in several projects that encourage women to participate in free software development. The Women's Summer Outreach Program is currently accepting applications from female students. Accepted students will receive a stipend of USD $3000 over a two month period. A pool of project ideas is provided at www.gnome.org/projects/wsop/, though original proposals are also encouraged. Projects may either be related to GNOME directly, or indirectly via projects such as Gstreamer and Abiword. Each student will be assigned a mentor to provide guidance throughout the program. Vincent Untz, member of the GNOME Foundation board and coordinator of the GNOME team for Google's "Summer of Code" program, explained: "Many women have the skills required to contribute to Free Software projects like GNOME, but may not see an opportunity to start working with us. By initiating this program, not only do we want to highlight the issue, but we also hope that this opportunity will help more women to get involved in the long term." Applications should be submitted using the form at www.gnome.org/projects/wsop/. More information about the application process may be found at the same location. From spam at pvanhoof.be Mon Jun 19 05:19:06 2006 From: spam at pvanhoof.be (Philip Van Hoof) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:19:06 +0200 Subject: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off is Fri 14 July) In-Reply-To: <1150446423.17466.26.camel@red> References: <1150446423.17466.26.camel@red> Message-ID: <1150708746.5359.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2006-06-16 at 15:27 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > How about this - I'll run another test migration on the 23rd, but won't > > actually make the switch. At least then, if anyone at GUADEC wants to > > play with or demonstrate anything related to subversion, at least they > > will get fairly up-to-date code. Hey Ross, Thanks for taking care of the Subversion transition. In my opinion we certainly need an upgrade of our repository software. Subversion is a good choice. I'm wondering whether new projects that haven't yet been in the GNOME CVS repository can enter the new Subversion repository sooner? I'm also wondering whether it will be possible to handover the sysadmins the resulting dump file of a "svnadmin dump"? ps. I'm indeed planning to let the tinymail repository get hosted by the upcoming GNOME Subversion infrastructure. Thanks -- Philip Van Hoof, software developer at x-tend home: me at pvanhoof dot be gnome: pvanhoof at gnome dot org work: vanhoof at x-tend dot be http://www.pvanhoof.be - http://www.x-tend.be From ross at golder.org Mon Jun 19 09:37:53 2006 From: ross at golder.org (Ross Golder) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:37:53 +0700 Subject: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off is Fri 14 July) In-Reply-To: <1150708746.5359.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1150446423.17466.26.camel@red> <1150708746.5359.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1150724273.9923.18.camel@red> On Mon, 2006-06-19 at 11:19 +0200, Philip Van Hoof wrote: > On Fri, 2006-06-16 at 15:27 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > I'm wondering whether new projects that haven't yet been in the GNOME > CVS repository can enter the new Subversion repository sooner? I'm also > wondering whether it will be possible to handover the sysadmins the > resulting dump file of a "svnadmin dump"? > Sorry, no, we're not planning to support any Subversion services until the migration cut-off. The sysadmin team don't want to be in a position of having to support multiple version control systems simultaneously, there is a technical issue that means it wouldn't be straightforward to set up, and it'll make the live migration more confusing for me too! After the migration, it shouldn't be a problem to just send a compressed dump of your subversion repository to 'support at gnome.org' and we'll install it. Obviously, it'll have to follow the usual guidelines for new modules, as I'm sure yours do :) http://live.gnome.org/ProjectPrerequisites -- Ross From the prior art department: compare with RFC 2026. I think the time for review is too short. It might be OK for people who are working full time on Gnome, but it won't be enough for people who have another job. It's possible that somebody who isn't directly involved in Gnome would want to review the proposal (because somebody who is involved asked him/her to, for example), but it might be impossible on such schedule. Furteher, if the RFP author thinks the reviewing period should be longer, then it should be longer. So I propose something like "the reviewing period will be determined by the RFP owner, but it shuld not be shorter than two weeks." That's for "fast-track approval, if no controversy" section. Other time constraints should also be at least two weeks. I don't see why several persons couldn't author an RFP. I don't know if that should be explicitely written. An objection to "A small group of relevant maintainers finalizes the RFP." It should be "A small group of interested parties." One doesn't have to be Gnome module maintainer in order to posess usefull technical knowledge about the problem in question. I don't particularly like the voting stuff. The general tone implies that conflicts are expected and that consensus will be an exception. But if you want to go with rules like that, then there should be no gray areas. For example, the "List of responsible maintainers" section ends with: "The board will resolve all disputes regarding the list of responsible maintainers." How is the board going to do that? On what schedule? The results of board decision will obviously be public. But is the board required to write a public explanation? And why voting in the first place? Shouldn't the board be able to reach a consensus on this issue? > Two example topics we might use for a test run of the procedure are > this -config issue, and the sound server/API issue. Hm. How about testing it on the "GNOME Enhancement Procedure" proposal itself? -- .-. .-. Are you crying? No, I'm bleeding. (_ \ / _) | dave@arsdigita.com | From jdub@waugh.id.au Thu Jun 1 09:21:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DE8B3B0213 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05226-06 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C82713B017F for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (unknown [203.217.18.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FD9E3CDE7; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 23:21:05 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DC9CF40B4; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 23:20:52 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 23:20:52 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Message-ID: <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org, Ross Golder References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> Reply-By: Sun Jun 4 23:19:02 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.15-23-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 23:19:02 up 3:11, 5 users, load average: 0.04, 0.28, 0.83 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 09:43:00 -0400 Cc: Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 13:21:10 -0000 > As the various show-stoppers that prevented our previously scheduled > migration from going ahead have now been resolved, I am proposing that the > new migration go ahead at 23:59UTC on Friday 16th June 2006. Please let us > know a.s.a.p if that will be inconvenient for anyone. Ross, Can I suggest that we do the migration after GUADEC? I think it would be more useful for us to have reliable and known access to CVS through the week than be dealing with post-migration woes (as clean as it will be, there will be some hassles for everyone). Thanks, - Jeff -- GUADEC 2006: Vilanova i la Geltrú, Spain http://2006.guadec.org/ "So I'll have to talk about what I know instead. If you are so inclined, you may infer that I am totally oblivious to anything I don't talk about today." - Larry Wall From jdub@waugh.id.au Thu Jun 1 10:14:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18D383B0134 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10107-04 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90E843B00F7 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB9B13C310; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:14:53 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D695840B4; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:14:50 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:14:50 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Germ=E1n_Po=F3_Caama=F1o?= Message-ID: <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Germ=E1n_Po=F3_Caama=F1o?= , gnome-hackers@gnome.org References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.15-23-686 i686 Reply-By: Mon Jun 5 00:14:22 EST 2006 X-Uptime: 00:14:22 up 6 min, 5 users, load average: 0.26, 0.52, 0.31 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.445 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.019, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.445 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 14:14:56 -0000 > > Can I suggest that we do the migration after GUADEC? I think it would be > > more useful for us to have reliable and known access to CVS through the > > week than be dealing with post-migration woes (as clean as it will be, > > there will be some hassles for everyone). > > But also, GUADEC offers a good chance to get solved all those issues > quickly. Pretty sure we'd all rather be doing useful things than cleaning up, though! > May be a sort of 'Quick tour from CVS to SVN: tips and tricks' may be > given at GUADEC. We should do that anyway. :-) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "Well, you know us usability folks... We like to believe that the two aren't mutually exclusive." - Calum Benson on power and cleanliness From gpoo@ubiobio.cl Thu Jun 1 09:53:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBABC3B0D94 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:53:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08135-07 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:53:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ubiobio.cl (atlas.dci.ubiobio.cl [146.83.195.21]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 195D33B0D40 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:53:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by forward.ubiobio.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E689400325; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:51:57 -0400 (CLT) Received: from pegasus.dci.ubiobio.cl ([146.83.195.11]) by localhost (antivirus.dci.ubiobio.cl [146.83.195.21]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08131-81; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:51:56 -0400 (CLT) Received: from mimos.local (unknown [146.83.198.86]) by pegasus.dci.ubiobio.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B6542804423; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:53:25 -0400 (CLT) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Germ=E1n_Po=F3_Caama=F1o?= To: Jeff Waugh In-Reply-To: <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 09:53:30 -0400 Message-Id: <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at ubiobio.cl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.406 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.058, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.406 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:29:49 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 13:53:36 -0000 On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 23:20 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > As the various show-stoppers that prevented our previously scheduled > > migration from going ahead have now been resolved, I am proposing that the > > new migration go ahead at 23:59UTC on Friday 16th June 2006. Please let us > > know a.s.a.p if that will be inconvenient for anyone. > > Ross, > > Can I suggest that we do the migration after GUADEC? I think it would be > more useful for us to have reliable and known access to CVS through the week > than be dealing with post-migration woes (as clean as it will be, there will > be some hassles for everyone). But also, GUADEC offers a good chance to get solved all those issues quickly. May be a sort of 'Quick tour from CVS to SVN: tips and tricks' may be given at GUADEC. -- Germán Poó-Caamaño http://www.ubiobio.cl/~gpoo/ Concepción - Chile From carlos@gnome.org Thu Jun 1 10:22:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23DAA3B009D for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10509-10 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gandalf.pemas.net (wpc1544.amenworld.com [62.193.229.92]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94E4E3B023E for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gandalf.pemas.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B599117403B; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:21:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from gandalf.pemas.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (gandalf.pemas.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03329-09; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:21:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from aragorn.pemas.net (13.Red-88-15-198.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net [88.15.198.13]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gandalf.pemas.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1375E174009; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:21:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: by aragorn.pemas.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DD0EE2B08AF; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:22:39 +0200 (CEST) From: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= To: Jeff Waugh In-Reply-To: <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Organization: GNOME Foundation Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 16:22:39 +0200 Message-Id: <1149171759.5308.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at gandalf.pemas.net X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.387 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.387 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:29:49 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 14:22:53 -0000 El vie, 02-06-2006 a las 00:14 +1000, Jeff Waugh escribi=C3=B3: > >=20 > > > Can I suggest that we do the migration after GUADEC? I think it would= be > > > more useful for us to have reliable and known access to CVS through t= he > > > week than be dealing with post-migration woes (as clean as it will be= , > > > there will be some hassles for everyone). > >=20 > > But also, GUADEC offers a good chance to get solved all those issues > > quickly. >=20 > Pretty sure we'd all rather be doing useful things than cleaning up, thou= gh! >=20 > > May be a sort of 'Quick tour from CVS to SVN: tips and tricks' may be > > given at GUADEC. >=20 > We should do that anyway. :-) I should also point that this migration will break l10n-status.gnome.org, it only knows about cvs atm. Danilo is working on a cool new system that would be able to handle SVN, but I don't know if it would be ready at that time. Anyway, porting current sytem to use svn shouldn't be too difficult, but I would like to know if there is any public SVN server where we could test it. Cheers. >=20 > - Jeff From miguel@ximian.com Thu Jun 1 10:23:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA9B43B00F7 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10681-08 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from linux.site (c-24-218-111-14.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.218.111.14]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3312A3B024F for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:23:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by linux.site (Postfix, from userid 500) id 35AB56AE07; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:22:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Miguel de Icaza To: Jeff Waugh In-Reply-To: <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:22:02 -0400 Message-Id: <1149171722.12303.661.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.709 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.291, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=2.046] X-Spam-Score: -0.709 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:29:49 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 14:23:32 -0000 Hello, > > May be a sort of 'Quick tour from CVS to SVN: tips and tricks' may be > > given at GUADEC. We produced one when we did our own migration, and we updated it as the FAQs came in, feel free to borrow, cut and paste: http://www.mono-project.com/SVN#Using_SVN Miguel. From gpoo@ubiobio.cl Thu Jun 1 10:54:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F74F3B022E; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13499-06; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ubiobio.cl (atlas.dci.ubiobio.cl [146.83.195.21]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 741FD3B00F7; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by forward.ubiobio.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D0AE400324; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:53:12 -0400 (CLT) Received: from pegasus.dci.ubiobio.cl ([146.83.195.11]) by localhost (antivirus.dci.ubiobio.cl [146.83.195.21]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23025-25; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:53:09 -0400 (CLT) Received: from mimos.local (unknown [146.83.198.86]) by pegasus.dci.ubiobio.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E1712804424; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:54:39 -0400 (CLT) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Germ=E1n_Po=F3_Caama=F1o?= To: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= In-Reply-To: <1149171759.5308.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> <1149171759.5308.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:54:43 -0400 Message-Id: <1149173683.15278.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at ubiobio.cl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.369 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.018, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.369 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 11:10:12 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 14:54:45 -0000 On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 16:22 +0200, Carlos Perelló Marín wrote: > El vie, 02-06-2006 a las 00:14 +1000, Jeff Waugh escribió: > > > > > > > > Can I suggest that we do the migration after GUADEC? I think it would be > > > > more useful for us to have reliable and known access to CVS through the > > > > week than be dealing with post-migration woes (as clean as it will be, > > > > there will be some hassles for everyone). > > > > > > But also, GUADEC offers a good chance to get solved all those issues > > > quickly. > > > > Pretty sure we'd all rather be doing useful things than cleaning up, though! > > > > > May be a sort of 'Quick tour from CVS to SVN: tips and tricks' may be > > > given at GUADEC. > > > > We should do that anyway. :-) > > I should also point that this migration will break > l10n-status.gnome.org, it only knows about cvs atm. Good point. > Danilo is working on a cool new system that would be able to handle SVN, > but I don't know if it would be ready at that time. Anyway, porting > current sytem to use svn shouldn't be too difficult, but I would like to > know if there is any public SVN server where we could test it. http://svn.gnome.org/svn/[modulename] More information in http://live.gnome.org/Subversion Regards, -- Germán Poó-Caamaño http://www.ubiobio.cl/~gpoo/ Concepción - Chile From gpoo@ubiobio.cl Thu Jun 1 11:04:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F40DD3B02BC for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14377-04 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ubiobio.cl (atlas.dci.ubiobio.cl [146.83.195.21]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 964473B0262 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by forward.ubiobio.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 950E8400097; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:03:11 -0400 (CLT) Received: from pegasus.dci.ubiobio.cl ([146.83.195.11]) by localhost (antivirus.dci.ubiobio.cl [146.83.195.21]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23025-41; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:03:10 -0400 (CLT) Received: from mimos.local (unknown [146.83.198.86]) by pegasus.dci.ubiobio.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1DAF2804423; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:04:36 -0400 (CLT) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Germ=E1n_Po=F3_Caama=F1o?= To: Miguel de Icaza In-Reply-To: <1149171722.12303.661.camel@linux.site> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> <1149171722.12303.661.camel@linux.site> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 11:04:40 -0400 Message-Id: <1149174280.15278.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at ubiobio.cl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.408 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.056, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.408 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 11:10:12 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 15:04:54 -0000 On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 10:22 -0400, Miguel de Icaza wrote: > Hello, > > > > May be a sort of 'Quick tour from CVS to SVN: tips and tricks' may be > > > given at GUADEC. > > We produced one when we did our own migration, and we updated it as the > FAQs came in, feel free to borrow, cut and paste: > > http://www.mono-project.com/SVN#Using_SVN There is something similar in http://developer.gnome.org/tools/svn.html I don't think there will be any issue with normal uses cases (but you never know). I was thinking more on "what's new" or "being more productive", some exciting useful feature that is a pain or not possible using cvs. -- Germán Poó-Caamaño http://www.ubiobio.cl/~gpoo/ Concepción - Chile From davyd@madeley.id.au Thu Jun 1 11:22:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE1F3B0DEF for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15950-01 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:22:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oracle.bridgewayconsulting.com.au (oracle.bridgewayconsulting.com.au [203.56.14.38]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1C823B0DF2 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frobisher.local (cugglephone.madeley.id.au [203.56.15.217]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by oracle.bridgewayconsulting.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21C682E8004 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 23:21:11 +0800 (WST) From: Davyd Madeley To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 23:21:09 +0800 Message-Id: <1149175269.6871.61.camel@frobisher.madeley.id.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.479 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.015, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.479 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 11:52:22 -0400 Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 15:22:39 -0000 On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 00:14 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > May be a sort of 'Quick tour from CVS to SVN: tips and tricks' may be > > given at GUADEC. > > We should do that anyway. :-) I have offered to do something like this at GUADEC during some non-core time on IRC. I now offer here. --d -- Davyd Madeley http://www.davyd.id.au/ 08B0 341A 0B9B 08BB 2118 C060 2EDD BB4F 5191 6CDA From gpoo@ubiobio.cl Thu Jun 1 12:45:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C36703B0104 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21522-03 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ubiobio.cl (atlas.dci.ubiobio.cl [146.83.195.21]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C15C43B0EA2 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by forward.ubiobio.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 322184000BC; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:43:08 -0400 (CLT) Received: from pegasus.dci.ubiobio.cl ([146.83.195.11]) by localhost (antivirus.dci.ubiobio.cl [146.83.195.21]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06437-24; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:43:07 -0400 (CLT) Received: from mimos.local (unknown [146.83.198.86]) by pegasus.dci.ubiobio.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49FA92804423; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:44:36 -0400 (CLT) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Germ=E1n_Po=F3_Caama=F1o?= To: Davyd Madeley In-Reply-To: <1149175269.6871.61.camel@frobisher.madeley.id.au> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> <1149175269.6871.61.camel@frobisher.madeley.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 12:44:40 -0400 Message-Id: <1149180281.15278.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at ubiobio.cl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.41 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.054, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.41 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 16:45:07 -0000 On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 23:21 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote: > On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 00:14 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > May be a sort of 'Quick tour from CVS to SVN: tips and tricks' may be > > > given at GUADEC. > > > > We should do that anyway. :-) > > I have offered to do something like this at GUADEC during some non-core > time on IRC. I now offer here. IMO, the way to go is looking for a free space in the schedule an ask to the person in charge to be included there. http://guadec.org/GUADEC2006/schedule/WUW http://guadec.org/GUADEC2006/schedule/AHW http://guadec.org/GUADEC2006/schedule And advertise it. -- Germán Poó-Caamaño http://www.ubiobio.cl/~gpoo/ Concepción - Chile From ross@golder.org Fri Jun 2 09:59:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44C613B0480 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:59:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30672-06 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown [125.25.17.26]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7067E3B0468 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 500) id 80BC09FC5E; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:59:23 +0700 (ICT) From: Ross Golder To: Jeff Waugh In-Reply-To: <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 20:59:23 +0700 Message-Id: <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 13:59:42 -0000 On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 23:20 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > As the various show-stoppers that prevented our previously scheduled > > migration from going ahead have now been resolved, I am proposing that the > > new migration go ahead at 23:59UTC on Friday 16th June 2006. Please let us > > know a.s.a.p if that will be inconvenient for anyone. > > Ross, > > Can I suggest that we do the migration after GUADEC? I think it would be > more useful for us to have reliable and known access to CVS through the week > than be dealing with post-migration woes (as clean as it will be, there will > be some hassles for everyone). > > Thanks, > > - Jeff > How about this - I'll run another test migration on the 23rd, but won't actually make the switch. At least then, if anyone at GUADEC wants to play with or demonstrate anything related to subversion, at least they will get fairly up-to-date code. So, looking at the release schedule, it looks like the next best date would be July 14th. How would that be? -- Ross From jdub@waugh.id.au Fri Jun 2 10:09:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9CCF3B048D for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31323-03 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 380433B0487 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 516F13D869; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:09:24 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9C62A3F98; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:09:20 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:09:20 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: Ross Golder Message-ID: <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: Ross Golder , gnome-hackers@gnome.org References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> Reply-By: Tue Jun 6 00:08:39 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.15-23-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 00:08:39 up 1 day, 0 min, 7 users, load average: 0.08, 0.07, 0.13 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.446 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.018, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.446 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 14:09:26 -0000 > How about this - I'll run another test migration on the 23rd, but won't > actually make the switch. At least then, if anyone at GUADEC wants to play > with or demonstrate anything related to subversion, at least they will get > fairly up-to-date code. Awesome - good call. > So, looking at the release schedule, it looks like the next best date > would be July 14th. How would that be? Hrm, puts it out a bit, hey? I'm happy with that, though, if it's the first available time. Thanks! - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ From ross@golder.org Fri Jun 2 10:42:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 842F53B1178 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:42:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00864-04 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown [125.25.17.26]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEF933B1157 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 500) id 993B69FC5E; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:42:04 +0700 (ICT) From: Ross Golder To: Jeff Waugh In-Reply-To: <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:42:04 +0700 Message-Id: <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 14:42:23 -0000 On Sat, 2006-06-03 at 00:09 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > How about this - I'll run another test migration on the 23rd, but won't > > actually make the switch. At least then, if anyone at GUADEC wants to play > > with or demonstrate anything related to subversion, at least they will get > > fairly up-to-date code. > > Awesome - good call. > > > So, looking at the release schedule, it looks like the next best date > > would be July 14th. How would that be? > > Hrm, puts it out a bit, hey? I'm happy with that, though, if it's the first > available time. > I can do it sooner if there's a demand for it. I'd certainly be happier once it's done and dusted. For me, the 30th June would be good, but it seemed too soon after GUADEC - perhaps people will still have work in their CVS w/d left to commit? The 7th July falls before a couple of tarball deadlines, so might be inconvenient for maintainers if their module takes a while to migrate. The 16th July seems best, because there's not much else going on. I'm open to suggestions. It doesn't necessarily have to be done over a weekend either. -- Ross > Thanks! > > - Jeff > From murrayc@murrayc.com Fri Jun 2 14:22:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE9BB3B034B for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14259-01 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from swarthymail-a4.dreamhost.com (ip-208-97-132-53.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.53]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 377D93B0283 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from noname (p5497F668.dip.t-dialin.net [84.151.246.104]) by swarthymail-a4.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83F0D129A83; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:22:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Murray Cumming To: Ross Golder In-Reply-To: <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 20:22:43 +0200 Message-Id: <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.469 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.053, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.469 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 15:12:13 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 18:22:52 -0000 On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 21:42 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > On Sat, 2006-06-03 at 00:09 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > > > > How about this - I'll run another test migration on the 23rd, but won't > > > actually make the switch. At least then, if anyone at GUADEC wants to play > > > with or demonstrate anything related to subversion, at least they will get > > > fairly up-to-date code. > > > > Awesome - good call. > > > > > So, looking at the release schedule, it looks like the next best date > > > would be July 14th. How would that be? > > > > Hrm, puts it out a bit, hey? I'm happy with that, though, if it's the first > > available time. > > > > I can do it sooner if there's a demand for it. I'd certainly be happier > once it's done and dusted. > > For me, the 30th June would be good, but it seemed too soon after GUADEC > - perhaps people will still have work in their CVS w/d left to commit? > The 7th July falls before a couple of tarball deadlines, so might be > inconvenient for maintainers if their module takes a while to migrate. > The 16th July seems best, because there's not much else going on. > > I'm open to suggestions. It doesn't necessarily have to be done over a > weekend either. Probably there's a document somewhere, but do we have some official advice for how to branch when we are using svn, and will the old cvs branches be morphed into that system? As far as I understand, svn branches of modules are copies of that module in any old directory that you like (with svn presumably maintaining some link between the copies). I guess at the least we need to create the branches/gnome-2-*/ or similar directories early, and tell people to put their branches in their. Please excuse my ignorance on this. -- Murray Cumming murrayc@murrayc.com www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com From joeshaw@novell.com Mon Jun 5 11:36:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42E8C3B059A for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10485-06 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [130.57.169.10]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CC343B022A for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14585 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2006 15:36:40 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO posthaste.boston.ximian.com) (joe@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Jun 2006 15:36:40 -0000 From: Joe Shaw To: Murray Cumming In-Reply-To: <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 11:36:38 -0400 Message-Id: <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.439 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.117, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.439 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 11:41:15 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 15:36:47 -0000 Hi, On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 20:22 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > I guess at the least we need to create the branches/gnome-2-*/ or > similar directories early, and tell people to put their branches in > their. With svn we definitely have a lot more freedom in how we set up our branches and tags. So I think we should immediately limit that freedom by coming up with some conventions. :) I propose the following: Assuming we have some project on the trunk with the URL like so: http://svn.gnome.org/trunk/project Tags, I believe, should be in per-project directories, like so: http://svn.gnome.org/tags/project/PROJECT_1_0_0/project We don't have to keep using the "PROJECT_1_0_0" convention for tags with svn, but I think we probably should for compatibility and predictability. Likewise, we should do similarly for per-project branches: http://svn.gnome.org/branches/project/project-1-0-branch/project But for GNOME-wide branches, we should use the higher-level directory: http://svn.gnome.org/branches/gnome-2-16/project (For these, though, we should probably migrate them to the more aesthetic and correct "gnome-2.16" name, since there are fewer and they are easy to predict programmatically.) Joe From johan@gnome.org Mon Jun 5 11:52:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E30F3B04F6 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:52:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11615-01 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frodo.hserus.net (frodo.hserus.net [204.74.68.40]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9647B3B03E1 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br ([200.171.140.32]:39578 helo=anthem.async.com.br) by frodo.hserus.net with esmtps (Cipher TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.62 #0) id 1FnHNR-000EMq-Qn; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:22:27 +0530 Received: from [192.168.99.10] (jdahlin@walrus.async.com.br [192.168.99.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by anthem.async.com.br (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3ubuntu0.1) with ESMTP id k55FqLrT008207; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 12:52:21 -0300 Message-ID: <4484532B.4070109@gnome.org> Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 12:52:11 -0300 From: Johan Dahlin User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060420) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Shaw References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> In-Reply-To: <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.417 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.047, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.417 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 11:56:28 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 15:52:33 -0000 [..] > http://svn.gnome.org/trunk/project [..] > http://svn.gnome.org/tags/project/PROJECT_1_0_0/project [..] > http://svn.gnome.org/branches/project/project-1-0-branch/project [..] > http://svn.gnome.org/branches/gnome-2-16/project [..] All of these urls assumes that there will only be one repository for all the modules/projects. It is not possible to branch between repositories. It seems like (judging by the revision numbers found on svn.gnome.org) that it is currently done by having one repository per module/project. I'm in favor of having one big repository, which would allow this kind of aliasing. The main disadvantage is the big revision numbers (6 or 7 digits). Johan From james.henstridge@gmail.com Tue Jun 6 00:26:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 367133B0098 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 00:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21950-04 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 00:25:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.195]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E33FE3B009B for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 00:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id h29so870756wxd for ; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:25:49 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=jouzeSD7aYq1sBUoDqmIXp4hixDLwkL95R3LSv5zhNd/3K6+AB/qHGdtunntMG61kzdxRjyxxs/gzGvQ7Fd28AwyvyCrWvOu+OqE0SztW6n31CBdqui9bSmqFjOAYSwn0LaXA7a81KhM5KQXWhiQ1VOaS/FE0mxYpWTdnsIuz9Q= Received: by 10.70.44.17 with SMTP id r17mr7000311wxr; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:25:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.60.15 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 21:25:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:25:49 +0800 From: "James Henstridge" Sender: james.henstridge@gmail.com To: "Joe Shaw" In-Reply-To: <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: bfa39d2be695be2a X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.561 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.561 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 00:40:52 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 04:26:23 -0000 On 05/06/06, Joe Shaw wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 20:22 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > > I guess at the least we need to create the branches/gnome-2-*/ or > > similar directories early, and tell people to put their branches in > > their. > > With svn we definitely have a lot more freedom in how we set up our > branches and tags. So I think we should immediately limit that freedom > by coming up with some conventions. :) I propose the following: > > Assuming we have some project on the trunk with the URL like so: > > http://svn.gnome.org/trunk/project > > Tags, I believe, should be in per-project directories, like so: > > http://svn.gnome.org/tags/project/PROJECT_1_0_0/project > > We don't have to keep using the "PROJECT_1_0_0" convention for tags with > svn, but I think we probably should for compatibility and > predictability. > > Likewise, we should do similarly for per-project branches: > > http://svn.gnome.org/branches/project/project-1-0-branch/project > > But for GNOME-wide branches, we should use the higher-level directory: > > http://svn.gnome.org/branches/gnome-2-16/project > > (For these, though, we should probably migrate them to the more > aesthetic and correct "gnome-2.16" name, since there are fewer and they > are easy to predict programmatically.) The suggested layout for multi-module repositories from the Subversion book is actually: ./$project/trunk <- the mainline for development ./$project/branches/$branchname <- a branch of the project ./$project/tags/$tagname <- a tag of the project For cases where there is only a single module in the repository, they recommend leaving of the "$project/" bit at the start of the paths. What benefits does your layout give over the recommended layout? It looks like it would add complexity without making things easier to understand. James. From thomas@apestaart.org Tue Jun 6 06:04:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABA3E3B0750; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 06:04:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04145-08; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 06:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.es6.egwn.net (server02.es6.egwn.net [195.10.6.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BEAF3B014E; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 06:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.fr4.egwn.net (server07.fr4.egwn.net [62.39.85.77]) by mx1.es6.egwn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5F0C4F82E2; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:04:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.fr4.egwn.net (spiffy mail daemon) with ESMTP id 0D94183BE7; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:04:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mx1.fr4.egwn.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (server07.fr4.egwn.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16922-12; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:03:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from thread.fluendo.lan (core.fluendo.com [195.10.6.237]) by mx1.fr4.egwn.net (spiffy mail daemon) with ESMTP id C559583BE4; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:03:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from thomas.fluendo.lan (thomas.fluendo.lan [192.168.1.10]) by thread.fluendo.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EF06FFDB; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:03:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Thomas Vander Stichele To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 12:03:19 +0200 Message-Id: <1149588200.24971.3.camel@otto.amantes> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 (2.6.1-1.fc5.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned: By amavis at egwn.net X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.626 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.070, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, RCVD_IN_SBL=3.16] X-Spam-Score: 0.626 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 06:51:14 -0400 Cc: gnome-announce-list@gnome.org, devel-announce-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 10:04:10 -0000 On Tue, 2006-05-30 at 13:41 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > Hi, > > As the various show-stoppers that prevented our previously scheduled > migration from going ahead have now been resolved, I am proposing that > the new migration go ahead at 23:59UTC on Friday 16th June 2006. Please > let us know a.s.a.p if that will be inconvenient for anyone. It may be inconvenient for any hack sessions done at GUADEC if it leaves people with too little time to convert their laptop checkouts properly, or if anything goes wrong with the conversion. I don't know if that's important enough of a reason, but it'd be too bad if we'd be stifling the surge of activity at GUADEC. Thomas From joeshaw@novell.com Tue Jun 6 11:10:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CB523B08C7 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:10:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31679-07 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [130.57.169.10]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFC503B0229 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15534 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2006 15:10:02 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO posthaste.boston.ximian.com) (joe@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Jun 2006 15:10:02 -0000 From: Joe Shaw To: James Henstridge In-Reply-To: References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 11:10:01 -0400 Message-Id: <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.477 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.078, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.477 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 11:16:13 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 15:10:06 -0000 Hi, On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 12:25 +0800, James Henstridge wrote: > The suggested layout for multi-module repositories from the Subversion > book is actually: > > ./$project/trunk <- the mainline for development > ./$project/branches/$branchname <- a branch of the project > ./$project/tags/$tagname <- a tag of the project If we're using separate repos for each module, then my proposal doesn't really apply. Other than very high revision numbers and the ease of moving a project repository off of gnome.org to somewhere else later, what are the benefits of multiple repositories? > What benefits does your layout give over the recommended layout? It > looks like it would add complexity without making things easier to > understand. I don't really see any added complexity in there. It's essentially the system we have today with CVS. The main benefit is that you could check out the whole of gnome 2.N at once, rather than knowing what modules to check out and doing so one by one. For an automated tinderbox-like system, you could drop a single file at the root which lists the order in which to build the modules, and then you don't have to worry about *any* synchronization of the module list with tools outside of svn. Joe From jdub@waugh.id.au Tue Jun 6 11:30:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA40E3B0151 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:30:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00913-02 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 751413B028C for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1A943D251; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 01:30:50 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C3BB83F9C; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 01:30:44 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 01:30:44 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: Joe Shaw Message-ID: <20060606153044.GA5138@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: Joe Shaw , James Henstridge , gnome-hackers@gnome.org References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Reply-By: Sat Jun 10 01:29:40 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.15-23-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 01:29:40 up 5 days, 1:21, 10 users, load average: 0.25, 0.10, 0.10 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.447 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.447 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 15:30:58 -0000 > I don't really see any added complexity in there. It's essentially the > system we have today with CVS. Perhaps delaying this after GUADEC will provide another benefit: A good load of high social bandwidth discussion during GUADEC about how to go about it. :-) - Jeff -- GUADEC 2006: Vilanova i la Geltrú, Spain http://2006.guadec.org/ "I have a burning curiosity about everything, everything-- except country and western, of course." - David Bowie From rml@novell.com Tue Jun 6 11:52:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 267353B0225 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:52:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02354-08 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [130.57.169.10]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11A853B0AB0 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15604 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2006 15:52:06 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO betsy.boston.ximian.com) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Jun 2006 15:52:06 -0000 From: Robert Love To: Joe Shaw In-Reply-To: <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 11:52:21 -0400 Message-Id: <1149609141.31757.17.camel@betsy.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.482 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.083, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.482 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 12:21:54 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 15:52:11 -0000 On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 11:10 -0400, Joe Shaw wrote: > The main benefit is that you could check out the whole of gnome 2.N at > once, rather than knowing what modules to check out and doing so one by > one. For an automated tinderbox-like system, you could drop a single > file at the root which lists the order in which to build the modules, > and then you don't have to worry about *any* synchronization of the > module list with tools outside of svn. Building on this fabulous idea, we can snapshot and tag all of a GNOME release, too. All-modules-in-one-repo seems to be pretty much the norm. I'd die for that cause. Robert Love From james.henstridge@gmail.com Tue Jun 6 12:22:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAA393B014B for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:22:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04758-01 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.197]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AD5F3B0284 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:22:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so1455063wxd for ; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 09:22:42 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=q76PChRbDzmRBAOI+u2Qkyp38lWfCxt0EK9nkNtvnAQLDH6xu64Z6JGeo3zF+GabQ4nfE8u7NRwKbfTM+5OplZlzkXY2xMQGjVdvI9B+IgmZlcDguvt9bvmlZuroz7u+dbAdXlKBqOFJNheRCnzPjtPvBdldOtf5t3zgs7YRLIw= Received: by 10.70.14.9 with SMTP id 9mr7771150wxn; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 09:22:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.60.15 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 09:22:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 00:22:42 +0800 From: "James Henstridge" Sender: james.henstridge@gmail.com To: "Joe Shaw" In-Reply-To: <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3439076e4a7f8d61 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.588 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.012, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.588 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 13:21:18 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 16:22:47 -0000 On 06/06/06, Joe Shaw wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 12:25 +0800, James Henstridge wrote: > > The suggested layout for multi-module repositories from the Subversion > > book is actually: > > > > ./$project/trunk <- the mainline for development > > ./$project/branches/$branchname <- a branch of the project > > ./$project/tags/$tagname <- a tag of the project > > If we're using separate repos for each module, then my proposal doesn't > really apply. Other than very high revision numbers and the ease of > moving a project repository off of gnome.org to somewhere else later, > what are the benefits of multiple repositories? You'd have to ask Ross about why we're using multiple repositories. There definitely are benefits to hosting multiple projects within a single repo. Subversion doesn't really handle interactions between repositories so code in separate repos are quite isolated. It is also less effort to add a new module to a repo (compared with creating new Subversion repositories, which will probably require sysadmin intervention). On the other hand, multiple repositories probably scale better since there will be less lock contention. I'm not sure how much of a problem lock contention would be though. > > What benefits does your layout give over the recommended layout? It > > looks like it would add complexity without making things easier to > > understand. > > I don't really see any added complexity in there. It's essentially the > system we have today with CVS. Really? The layout described in the Subversion book seems like a closer analogue to what we do in CVS. > The main benefit is that you could check out the whole of gnome 2.N at > once, rather than knowing what modules to check out and doing so one by > one. For an automated tinderbox-like system, you could drop a single > file at the root which lists the order in which to build the modules, > and then you don't have to worry about *any* synchronization of the > module list with tools outside of svn. Who would be allowed to create branches in this repo-wide "gnome 2.N" branch directory? Only stuff that is part of desktop and developer platform? Everything that creates branches to target particular Gnome releases? It seems that checking out one of these repo-wide "gnome 2.N" directories would end up pulling either too many or too few modules for any particular use. It is also worth noting that there will always be important parts of the Gnome module stack that are outside of our Subversion repository. For example, the recent GTK printing work depended on new features in Cairo. With your system without maintaining an import of cairo into the Gnome Subversion repo, which would be a maintenance nightmare. James. From joeshaw@novell.com Tue Jun 6 12:52:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71DE13B0090 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06467-04 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [130.57.169.10]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 383C93B0197 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15669 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2006 16:52:16 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO posthaste.boston.ximian.com) (joe@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Jun 2006 16:52:16 -0000 From: Joe Shaw To: James Henstridge In-Reply-To: References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 12:52:15 -0400 Message-Id: <1149612735.3790.71.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.477 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.078, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.477 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 13:21:18 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 16:52:18 -0000 Hi, On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 00:22 +0800, James Henstridge wrote: > On 06/06/06, Joe Shaw wrote: > > I don't really see any added complexity in there. It's essentially the > > system we have today with CVS. > > Really? The layout described in the Subversion book seems like a > closer analogue to what we do in CVS. Are you referring to this? http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch04s07.html Assuming one large repo, the only difference between my proposal and the book's is that there is an extra directory level in the branches (or tags) directory for each project. That way one doesn't have to wade through every tag or branch name for every project. In that sense it's more like CVS now: tags and branches are private per module. For example: /repos/calc/branches/my-calc-branch would most likely in an equivalent single repo setup be: /repos/branches/my-calc-branch My proposal is: /repos/branches/calc/my-calc-branch That way, when you really want to see just the calc branches you can go to /repo/branches/calc and not also see all the "paint" branches. The one exception is for any repo-wide branches, like a GNOME release. > Who would be allowed to create branches in this repo-wide "gnome 2.N" > branch directory? Only stuff that is part of desktop and developer > platform? Everything that creates branches to target particular Gnome > releases? It could require a change in workflow, perhaps negatively. People would have to branch at release time, rather than delaying it until they're ready for unstable development. And checking into the branch and the trunk is a PITA. But it's probably something that warrants discussion. But to answer the question, I'd assume that module maintainers who branch now would simply copy their modules into the branch directory. Perhaps it could be done by someone on the release team at release-time. > It is also worth noting that there will always be important parts of > the Gnome module stack that are outside of our Subversion repository. > For example, the recent GTK printing work depended on new features in > Cairo. With your system without maintaining an import of cairo into > the Gnome Subversion repo, which would be a maintenance nightmare. True, but any automated build tool needs to handle out-of-tree dependencies anyway. Reducing the maintenance for our part somewhat is preferable to reducing it none, IMO. Joe From james.henstridge@gmail.com Tue Jun 6 22:46:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C81853B0072 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 22:46:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06342-06 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 22:46:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.202]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 616233B00E6 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 22:46:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so121062wxd for ; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 19:46:38 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YP+HN5cUgne/11IeotaSjwmb5U7n4Wx8Hn1qmTWFNOmZSguJiJ7ql1v6/iVM1D05QTPNfXOzZhtHXtC499OJjVSpU4gLHex7cu+p+ogh2yAwTlG5JpuRsLZrROwO5NQYsqvcvrXr1wC6H1ZhQEq1ZFILUR01V8uyliQGHZCgemo= Received: by 10.70.36.1 with SMTP id j1mr61175wxj; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 19:46:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.60.15 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 19:46:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:46:38 +0800 From: "James Henstridge" To: "Joe Shaw" In-Reply-To: <1149612735.3790.71.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <1149612735.3790.71.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.523 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_JH=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 03:36:55 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 02:46:42 -0000 On 07/06/06, Joe Shaw wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 00:22 +0800, James Henstridge wrote: > > On 06/06/06, Joe Shaw wrote: > > > I don't really see any added complexity in there. It's essentially the > > > system we have today with CVS. > > > > Really? The layout described in the Subversion book seems like a > > closer analogue to what we do in CVS. > > Are you referring to this? > > http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch04s07.html Yes. That page of the book also links to this page, which goes into a bit more detail: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch05s04.html > > Assuming one large repo, the only difference between my proposal and the > book's is that there is an extra directory level in the branches (or > tags) directory for each project. That way one doesn't have to wade > through every tag or branch name for every project. In that sense it's > more like CVS now: tags and branches are private per module. You are suggesting having toplevel trunk, branches and tags directories in the repository, while the book suggests having separate trunk, branches and tags directories under each project root in the repository. A lot of the differences between the suggested layout and your proposed layout seem to stem from trying to make that layout usable (e.g. keeping the branches directory manageable). > For example: > > /repos/calc/branches/my-calc-branch > > would most likely in an equivalent single repo setup be: > > /repos/branches/my-calc-branch > > My proposal is: > > /repos/branches/calc/my-calc-branch If "/repos" is the Subversion repository, then the book actually suggests you use: /repos/calc/branches/my-calc-branch (so everything related to "calc" is under a single directory in the repository). > > That way, when you really want to see just the calc branches you can go > to /repo/branches/calc and not also see all the "paint" branches. > > The one exception is for any repo-wide branches, like a GNOME release. I am not convinced that there are many benefits to storing the all Gnome 2.N branches under a separate directory. It would effectively hide them when browsing through the other branches of each individual module. > > Who would be allowed to create branches in this repo-wide "gnome 2.N" > > branch directory? Only stuff that is part of desktop and developer > > platform? Everything that creates branches to target particular Gnome > > releases? > > It could require a change in workflow, perhaps negatively. People would > have to branch at release time, rather than delaying it until they're > ready for unstable development. And checking into the branch and the > trunk is a PITA. But it's probably something that warrants discussion. > > But to answer the question, I'd assume that module maintainers who > branch now would simply copy their modules into the branch directory. > Perhaps it could be done by someone on the release team at release-time. > > > It is also worth noting that there will always be important parts of > > the Gnome module stack that are outside of our Subversion repository. > > For example, the recent GTK printing work depended on new features in > > Cairo. With your system without maintaining an import of cairo into > > the Gnome Subversion repo, which would be a maintenance nightmare. > > True, but any automated build tool needs to handle out-of-tree > dependencies anyway. Reducing the maintenance for our part somewhat is > preferable to reducing it none, IMO. Well, I plan to continue maintaining the Gnome module set definitions for jhbuild in Subversion, which is essentially the information you propose storing in the repo. It is fairly agnostic to the exact layout used in the repo, so wouldn't really benefit from a gnome release-wide branches subdirectory. James. From ross@golder.org Thu Jun 15 04:35:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 705033B03BD; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 04:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23205-02; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 04:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F7CF3B017A; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 04:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D2AD40AB; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:35:21 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xhk2B6x-5+T6; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:35:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from red (unknown [125.24.64.59]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70C123FE2; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:35:13 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) From: Ross Golder To: Johan Dahlin In-Reply-To: <4484532B.4070109@gnome.org> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <4484532B.4070109@gnome.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 15:34:36 +0700 Message-Id: <1150360476.7547.65.camel@red> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.471 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.128, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.471 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 08:35:25 -0000 On Mon, 2006-06-05 at 12:52 -0300, Johan Dahlin wrote: > [..] > > http://svn.gnome.org/trunk/project > [..] > > http://svn.gnome.org/tags/project/PROJECT_1_0_0/project > [..] > > http://svn.gnome.org/branches/project/project-1-0-branch/project > [..] > > http://svn.gnome.org/branches/gnome-2-16/project > [..] > > All of these urls assumes that there will only be one repository for all the > modules/projects. It is not possible to branch between repositories. > > It seems like (judging by the revision numbers found on svn.gnome.org) that > it is currently done by having one repository per module/project. > Indeed. One repository per module is the way I have been doing it. > I'm in favor of having one big repository, which would allow this kind of > aliasing. The main disadvantage is the big revision numbers (6 or 7 digits). > I can see there are plenty of good arguments for and against the three main approaches (single, multiple and mixed) described in the 'Choosing a Repository Layout' section of the manual . However, I still feel that the multiple repositories approach will work best for GNOME. I think being able to import/export and control (e.g. hook scripts, revision numbers, branches/tags etc) at a module level is the best approach. Eventually most monolithic things get broken down and modularised anyway, so IMHO we might as well start broken down (pretty much as we are now) and build up. The way the migration script works at the moment is that all modules will have a separate repository, with their own hook scripts etc. I particularly want this feature, so I can set up automatic e-mails for *only* commits on modules for which I am maintainer, without having to subscribe to the dirty great 'svn-commits-list'. Also, the migration script adds a call to a global shared hook-script, containing the 'svn-commits-list' hook among others. Also, it means projects can move to/from the GNOME subversion service more easily (without having to integrate/extract themselves from a monolithic repository). And, if one module gets corrupted or something, the whole repository doesn't become stalled. As for project-wide release tags (e.g. GNOME-2-14 etc), I can see that it's a tempting feature, but would it really give us a day-to-day advantage over individual repositories all using a common branch-name conversion to identify them? I'm imagining that a simple 'for...' loop for a given set of repositories would suffice in most cases. Also, historical project release branches/tags will probably be fragmented anyway where the different module maintainers haven't all used the same branching/tagging case and underscore/hyphen conventions. I'd be interested to hear the release team's view on whether a monolithic repo would really make their lives much easier. Anyway, if I'm way off the mark, and people really do think a monolithic repository (or even a mixed one, where we have a repository per group of packages) is the correct way forward, I'll happily cancel the upcoming migration again until someone can come up with a more suitable strategy :) Cheers, -- Ross > Johan > _______________________________________________ > gnome-hackers mailing list > gnome-hackers@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-hackers From vuntz@gnome.org Thu Jun 15 05:17:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DDF83B032F; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 05:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25231-04; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 05:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8D353B0270; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 05:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 33) id 05FEE112692; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:17:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 193.253.45.67 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vuntz) by vuntz.net with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:17:23 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <33333.193.253.45.67.1150363043.squirrel@vuntz.net> In-Reply-To: <1150360476.7547.65.camel@red> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <4484532B.4070109@gnome.org> <1150360476.7547.65.camel@red> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:17:23 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) From: "Vincent Untz" To: "Ross Golder" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.561 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.561 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:17:29 -0000 On Thu, June 15, 2006 10:34, Ross Golder wrote: > I'd be interested to hear the release team's view on whether a > monolithic repo would really make their lives much easier. My really humble opinion (since I'm no expert) is that I agree with you on nearly everything. The per-module hooks are a killer feature for me. Just my €0.02, since you asked for feedback ;-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From joeshaw@novell.com Thu Jun 15 12:26:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4681F3B0482 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 12:26:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22443-01 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 12:26:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [130.57.169.10]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA4413B0434 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 12:26:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 25036 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2006 16:25:53 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO posthaste.boston.ximian.com) (joe@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 Jun 2006 16:25:53 -0000 Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) From: Joe Shaw To: Ross Golder In-Reply-To: <1150360476.7547.65.camel@red> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <4484532B.4070109@gnome.org> <1150360476.7547.65.camel@red> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 12:25:53 -0400 Message-Id: <1150388753.19002.55.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.439 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.117, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, TW_JH=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.439 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:26:26 -0000 Hi, On Thu, 2006-06-15 at 15:34 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > Indeed. One repository per module is the way I have been doing it. Ok, I have no real strong opinion on it. One large repo is just what I'm more used to (Mono). > However, I still feel that the multiple repositories approach will work > best for GNOME. I trust your judgement. :) > As for project-wide release tags (e.g. GNOME-2-14 etc), I can see that > it's a tempting feature, but would it really give us a day-to-day > advantage over individual repositories all using a common branch-name > conversion to identify them? I guess people these days mainly use jhbuild for large GNOME builds, so maybe it's not remotely as interesting as I think it is. Is that what the tinderboxes are using? Maybe blessing jhbuild as "gnome-build" or whatever would put me more at ease. It just seems to me that our build processes are very ad-hoc. Maybe they're not documented well, maybe they work fine and don't need to be. I don't know, I am just rambling at this point. > Anyway, if I'm way off the mark, and people really do think a monolithic > repository (or even a mixed one, where we have a repository per group of > packages) is the correct way forward, I'll happily cancel the upcoming > migration again until someone can come up with a more suitable > strategy :) Oh please no. You're doing a great job and I am dying waiting for svn. Joe From jdub@waugh.id.au Thu Jun 15 14:07:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFF4E3B035A for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26251-08 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CA3D3B02DA for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B1C3C75B for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 04:07:12 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8B1B63F55; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 04:07:02 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 04:07:02 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) 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X-Uptime: 04:06:51 up 14 days, 3:58, 7 users, load average: 0.06, 0.05, 0.01 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.015, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:07:51 -0000 > Oh please no. You're doing a great job and I am dying waiting for svn. SAVE JOE SHAW! - Jeff -- GUADEC 2006: Vilanova i la Geltrú, Spain http://2006.guadec.org/ "Old timers will tell you what a pain unstable was during the new testament transition." - Jon Corbet on Debian's KJV packages From behdad.esfahbod@gmail.com Thu Jun 15 17:38:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFECA3B00DD for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:38:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01988-05 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.238]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E19AC3B0011 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 37so427824wra for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:38:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.108.13 with SMTP id g13mr2187733wrc; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:38:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.190.5? ( [72.136.156.47]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 6sm1544376wrl.2006.06.15.14.38.10; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:38:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Women's Summer Outreach Program 2006 From: Behdad Esfahbod To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org, foundation-list@gnome.org, foundation-announce@gnome.org, gnome-announce-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:38:06 -0400 Message-Id: <1150407487.29623.12.camel@home> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 (2.6.1-1.fc5.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: Behdad Esfahbod X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 00:52:22 -0400 X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 21:38:49 -0000 GNOME to Sponsor Female Developers in a Summer Outreach Program BOSTON, Mass - June 13, 2006 - The GNOME Foundation is offering USD$9000 to female students in order to promote the participation of women in GNOME-related development. The money originates from GNOME's participation in the Google "Summer of Code" program (code.google.com/soc/), for which GNOME developers will mentor 20 students working throughout the northern summer on GNOME-related projects. This year GNOME received 181 applications to Google's program, yet none were from women. The GNOME Foundation has therefore chosen to reinvest Google's contribution into a new program designed to increase the participation of women in GNOME. The program has no official relationship with Google. "Free software prides itself on being open to anyone with a good idea, yet less than 2% of free software developers are female. We, as a community, need to be actively working to change this statistic, and programs like this one are a much needed step in the right direction." said Hanna Wallach, a GNOME developer who is involved in several projects that encourage women to participate in free software development. The Women's Summer Outreach Program is currently accepting applications from female students. Accepted students will receive a stipend of USD $3000 over a two month period. A pool of project ideas is provided at www.gnome.org/projects/wsop/, though original proposals are also encouraged. Projects may either be related to GNOME directly, or indirectly via projects such as Gstreamer and Abiword. Each student will be assigned a mentor to provide guidance throughout the program. Vincent Untz, member of the GNOME Foundation board and coordinator of the GNOME team for Google's "Summer of Code" program, explained: "Many women have the skills required to contribute to Free Software projects like GNOME, but may not see an opportunity to start working with us. By initiating this program, not only do we want to highlight the issue, but we also hope that this opportunity will help more women to get involved in the long term." Applications should be submitted using the form at www.gnome.org/projects/wsop/. More information about the application process may be found at the same location. From spam@pvanhoof.be Mon Jun 19 05:20:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41F683B00C8 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:20:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01630-10 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.freax.org (mail.freax.org [86.39.154.66]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CAC83B008F for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.freax.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A482AE7978 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:14:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.freax.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.freax.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Grg-lfHk-2tw for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:14:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from lort.newtec.be (mailhost.newtec.be [62.58.98.194]) (using SSLv3 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.freax.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68EE1E7977 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:14:38 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off is Fri 14 July) From: Philip Van Hoof To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1150446423.17466.26.camel@red> References: <1150446423.17466.26.camel@red> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:19:06 +0200 Message-Id: <1150708746.5359.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.419 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.047, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.419 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 06:26:47 -0400 X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 09:20:17 -0000 On Fri, 2006-06-16 at 15:27 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > How about this - I'll run another test migration on the 23rd, but won't > > actually make the switch. At least then, if anyone at GUADEC wants to > > play with or demonstrate anything related to subversion, at least they > > will get fairly up-to-date code. Hey Ross, Thanks for taking care of the Subversion transition. In my opinion we certainly need an upgrade of our repository software. Subversion is a good choice. I'm wondering whether new projects that haven't yet been in the GNOME CVS repository can enter the new Subversion repository sooner? I'm also wondering whether it will be possible to handover the sysadmins the resulting dump file of a "svnadmin dump"? ps. I'm indeed planning to let the tinymail repository get hosted by the upcoming GNOME Subversion infrastructure. Thanks -- Philip Van Hoof, software developer at x-tend home: me at pvanhoof dot be gnome: pvanhoof at gnome dot org work: vanhoof at x-tend dot be http://www.pvanhoof.be - http://www.x-tend.be From ross@golder.org Mon Jun 19 10:05:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BEB13B0014 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14538-09 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:05:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0918D3B0017 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D69B4A91; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:38:58 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BA3l6Mx+TfZ4; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:38:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from [10.174.248.19] (unknown [203.170.228.172]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE1A340DD; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:38:44 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off is Fri 14 July) From: Ross Golder To: Philip Van Hoof In-Reply-To: <1150708746.5359.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1150446423.17466.26.camel@red> <1150708746.5359.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:37:53 +0700 Message-Id: <1150724273.9923.18.camel@red> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.536 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.505, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558] X-Spam-Score: -0.536 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:05:24 -0000 On Mon, 2006-06-19 at 11:19 +0200, Philip Van Hoof wrote: > On Fri, 2006-06-16 at 15:27 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > I'm wondering whether new projects that haven't yet been in the GNOME > CVS repository can enter the new Subversion repository sooner? I'm also > wondering whether it will be possible to handover the sysadmins the > resulting dump file of a "svnadmin dump"? > Sorry, no, we're not planning to support any Subversion services until the migration cut-off. The sysadmin team don't want to be in a position of having to support multiple version control systems simultaneously, there is a technical issue that means it wouldn't be straightforward to set up, and it'll make the live migration more confusing for me too! After the migration, it shouldn't be a problem to just send a compressed dump of your subversion repository to 'support@gnome.org' and we'll install it. Obviously, it'll have to follow the usual guidelines for new modules, as I'm sure yours do :) http://live.gnome.org/ProjectPrerequisites -- Ross From the prior art department: compare with RFC 2026. I think the time for review is too short. It might be OK for people who are working full time on Gnome, but it won't be enough for people who have another job. It's possible that somebody who isn't directly involved in Gnome would want to review the proposal (because somebody who is involved asked him/her to, for example), but it might be impossible on such schedule. Furteher, if the RFP author thinks the reviewing period should be longer, then it should be longer. So I propose something like "the reviewing period will be determined by the RFP owner, but it shuld not be shorter than two weeks." That's for "fast-track approval, if no controversy" section. Other time constraints should also be at least two weeks. I don't see why several persons couldn't author an RFP. I don't know if that should be explicitely written. An objection to "A small group of relevant maintainers finalizes the RFP." It should be "A small group of interested parties." One doesn't have to be Gnome module maintainer in order to posess usefull technical knowledge about the problem in question. I don't particularly like the voting stuff. The general tone implies that conflicts are expected and that consensus will be an exception. But if you want to go with rules like that, then there should be no gray areas. For example, the "List of responsible maintainers" section ends with: "The board will resolve all disputes regarding the list of responsible maintainers." How is the board going to do that? On what schedule? The results of board decision will obviously be public. But is the board required to write a public explanation? And why voting in the first place? Shouldn't the board be able to reach a consensus on this issue? > Two example topics we might use for a test run of the procedure are > this -config issue, and the sound server/API issue. Hm. How about testing it on the "GNOME Enhancement Procedure" proposal itself? -- .-. .-. Are you crying? No, I'm bleeding. (_ \ / _) | dave@arsdigita.com | From jdub@waugh.id.au Thu Jun 1 09:21:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DE8B3B0213 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05226-06 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C82713B017F for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (unknown [203.217.18.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FD9E3CDE7; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 23:21:05 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DC9CF40B4; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 23:20:52 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 23:20:52 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Message-ID: <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org, Ross Golder References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> Reply-By: Sun Jun 4 23:19:02 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.15-23-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 23:19:02 up 3:11, 5 users, load average: 0.04, 0.28, 0.83 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 09:43:00 -0400 Cc: Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 13:21:10 -0000 > As the various show-stoppers that prevented our previously scheduled > migration from going ahead have now been resolved, I am proposing that the > new migration go ahead at 23:59UTC on Friday 16th June 2006. Please let us > know a.s.a.p if that will be inconvenient for anyone. Ross, Can I suggest that we do the migration after GUADEC? I think it would be more useful for us to have reliable and known access to CVS through the week than be dealing with post-migration woes (as clean as it will be, there will be some hassles for everyone). Thanks, - Jeff -- GUADEC 2006: Vilanova i la Geltrú, Spain http://2006.guadec.org/ "So I'll have to talk about what I know instead. If you are so inclined, you may infer that I am totally oblivious to anything I don't talk about today." - Larry Wall From jdub@waugh.id.au Thu Jun 1 10:14:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18D383B0134 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10107-04 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90E843B00F7 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB9B13C310; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:14:53 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D695840B4; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:14:50 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:14:50 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Germ=E1n_Po=F3_Caama=F1o?= Message-ID: <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Germ=E1n_Po=F3_Caama=F1o?= , gnome-hackers@gnome.org References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.15-23-686 i686 Reply-By: Mon Jun 5 00:14:22 EST 2006 X-Uptime: 00:14:22 up 6 min, 5 users, load average: 0.26, 0.52, 0.31 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.445 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.019, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.445 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 14:14:56 -0000 > > Can I suggest that we do the migration after GUADEC? I think it would be > > more useful for us to have reliable and known access to CVS through the > > week than be dealing with post-migration woes (as clean as it will be, > > there will be some hassles for everyone). > > But also, GUADEC offers a good chance to get solved all those issues > quickly. Pretty sure we'd all rather be doing useful things than cleaning up, though! > May be a sort of 'Quick tour from CVS to SVN: tips and tricks' may be > given at GUADEC. We should do that anyway. :-) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "Well, you know us usability folks... We like to believe that the two aren't mutually exclusive." - Calum Benson on power and cleanliness From gpoo@ubiobio.cl Thu Jun 1 09:53:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBABC3B0D94 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:53:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08135-07 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:53:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ubiobio.cl (atlas.dci.ubiobio.cl [146.83.195.21]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 195D33B0D40 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:53:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by forward.ubiobio.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E689400325; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:51:57 -0400 (CLT) Received: from pegasus.dci.ubiobio.cl ([146.83.195.11]) by localhost (antivirus.dci.ubiobio.cl [146.83.195.21]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08131-81; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:51:56 -0400 (CLT) Received: from mimos.local (unknown [146.83.198.86]) by pegasus.dci.ubiobio.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B6542804423; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:53:25 -0400 (CLT) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Germ=E1n_Po=F3_Caama=F1o?= To: Jeff Waugh In-Reply-To: <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 09:53:30 -0400 Message-Id: <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at ubiobio.cl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.406 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.058, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.406 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:29:49 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 13:53:36 -0000 On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 23:20 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > As the various show-stoppers that prevented our previously scheduled > > migration from going ahead have now been resolved, I am proposing that the > > new migration go ahead at 23:59UTC on Friday 16th June 2006. Please let us > > know a.s.a.p if that will be inconvenient for anyone. > > Ross, > > Can I suggest that we do the migration after GUADEC? I think it would be > more useful for us to have reliable and known access to CVS through the week > than be dealing with post-migration woes (as clean as it will be, there will > be some hassles for everyone). But also, GUADEC offers a good chance to get solved all those issues quickly. May be a sort of 'Quick tour from CVS to SVN: tips and tricks' may be given at GUADEC. -- Germán Poó-Caamaño http://www.ubiobio.cl/~gpoo/ Concepción - Chile From carlos@gnome.org Thu Jun 1 10:22:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23DAA3B009D for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10509-10 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gandalf.pemas.net (wpc1544.amenworld.com [62.193.229.92]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94E4E3B023E for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gandalf.pemas.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B599117403B; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:21:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from gandalf.pemas.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (gandalf.pemas.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03329-09; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:21:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from aragorn.pemas.net (13.Red-88-15-198.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net [88.15.198.13]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gandalf.pemas.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1375E174009; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:21:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: by aragorn.pemas.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DD0EE2B08AF; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:22:39 +0200 (CEST) From: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= To: Jeff Waugh In-Reply-To: <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Organization: GNOME Foundation Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 16:22:39 +0200 Message-Id: <1149171759.5308.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at gandalf.pemas.net X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.387 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.387 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:29:49 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 14:22:53 -0000 El vie, 02-06-2006 a las 00:14 +1000, Jeff Waugh escribi=C3=B3: > >=20 > > > Can I suggest that we do the migration after GUADEC? I think it would= be > > > more useful for us to have reliable and known access to CVS through t= he > > > week than be dealing with post-migration woes (as clean as it will be= , > > > there will be some hassles for everyone). > >=20 > > But also, GUADEC offers a good chance to get solved all those issues > > quickly. >=20 > Pretty sure we'd all rather be doing useful things than cleaning up, thou= gh! >=20 > > May be a sort of 'Quick tour from CVS to SVN: tips and tricks' may be > > given at GUADEC. >=20 > We should do that anyway. :-) I should also point that this migration will break l10n-status.gnome.org, it only knows about cvs atm. Danilo is working on a cool new system that would be able to handle SVN, but I don't know if it would be ready at that time. Anyway, porting current sytem to use svn shouldn't be too difficult, but I would like to know if there is any public SVN server where we could test it. Cheers. >=20 > - Jeff From miguel@ximian.com Thu Jun 1 10:23:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA9B43B00F7 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10681-08 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from linux.site (c-24-218-111-14.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.218.111.14]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3312A3B024F for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:23:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by linux.site (Postfix, from userid 500) id 35AB56AE07; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:22:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Miguel de Icaza To: Jeff Waugh In-Reply-To: <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:22:02 -0400 Message-Id: <1149171722.12303.661.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.709 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.291, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=2.046] X-Spam-Score: -0.709 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:29:49 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 14:23:32 -0000 Hello, > > May be a sort of 'Quick tour from CVS to SVN: tips and tricks' may be > > given at GUADEC. We produced one when we did our own migration, and we updated it as the FAQs came in, feel free to borrow, cut and paste: http://www.mono-project.com/SVN#Using_SVN Miguel. From gpoo@ubiobio.cl Thu Jun 1 10:54:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F74F3B022E; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13499-06; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ubiobio.cl (atlas.dci.ubiobio.cl [146.83.195.21]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 741FD3B00F7; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by forward.ubiobio.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D0AE400324; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:53:12 -0400 (CLT) Received: from pegasus.dci.ubiobio.cl ([146.83.195.11]) by localhost (antivirus.dci.ubiobio.cl [146.83.195.21]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23025-25; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:53:09 -0400 (CLT) Received: from mimos.local (unknown [146.83.198.86]) by pegasus.dci.ubiobio.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E1712804424; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:54:39 -0400 (CLT) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Germ=E1n_Po=F3_Caama=F1o?= To: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= In-Reply-To: <1149171759.5308.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> <1149171759.5308.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:54:43 -0400 Message-Id: <1149173683.15278.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at ubiobio.cl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.369 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.018, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.369 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 11:10:12 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 14:54:45 -0000 On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 16:22 +0200, Carlos Perelló Marín wrote: > El vie, 02-06-2006 a las 00:14 +1000, Jeff Waugh escribió: > > > > > > > > Can I suggest that we do the migration after GUADEC? I think it would be > > > > more useful for us to have reliable and known access to CVS through the > > > > week than be dealing with post-migration woes (as clean as it will be, > > > > there will be some hassles for everyone). > > > > > > But also, GUADEC offers a good chance to get solved all those issues > > > quickly. > > > > Pretty sure we'd all rather be doing useful things than cleaning up, though! > > > > > May be a sort of 'Quick tour from CVS to SVN: tips and tricks' may be > > > given at GUADEC. > > > > We should do that anyway. :-) > > I should also point that this migration will break > l10n-status.gnome.org, it only knows about cvs atm. Good point. > Danilo is working on a cool new system that would be able to handle SVN, > but I don't know if it would be ready at that time. Anyway, porting > current sytem to use svn shouldn't be too difficult, but I would like to > know if there is any public SVN server where we could test it. http://svn.gnome.org/svn/[modulename] More information in http://live.gnome.org/Subversion Regards, -- Germán Poó-Caamaño http://www.ubiobio.cl/~gpoo/ Concepción - Chile From gpoo@ubiobio.cl Thu Jun 1 11:04:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F40DD3B02BC for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14377-04 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ubiobio.cl (atlas.dci.ubiobio.cl [146.83.195.21]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 964473B0262 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by forward.ubiobio.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 950E8400097; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:03:11 -0400 (CLT) Received: from pegasus.dci.ubiobio.cl ([146.83.195.11]) by localhost (antivirus.dci.ubiobio.cl [146.83.195.21]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23025-41; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:03:10 -0400 (CLT) Received: from mimos.local (unknown [146.83.198.86]) by pegasus.dci.ubiobio.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1DAF2804423; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:04:36 -0400 (CLT) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Germ=E1n_Po=F3_Caama=F1o?= To: Miguel de Icaza In-Reply-To: <1149171722.12303.661.camel@linux.site> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> <1149171722.12303.661.camel@linux.site> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 11:04:40 -0400 Message-Id: <1149174280.15278.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at ubiobio.cl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.408 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.056, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.408 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 11:10:12 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 15:04:54 -0000 On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 10:22 -0400, Miguel de Icaza wrote: > Hello, > > > > May be a sort of 'Quick tour from CVS to SVN: tips and tricks' may be > > > given at GUADEC. > > We produced one when we did our own migration, and we updated it as the > FAQs came in, feel free to borrow, cut and paste: > > http://www.mono-project.com/SVN#Using_SVN There is something similar in http://developer.gnome.org/tools/svn.html I don't think there will be any issue with normal uses cases (but you never know). I was thinking more on "what's new" or "being more productive", some exciting useful feature that is a pain or not possible using cvs. -- Germán Poó-Caamaño http://www.ubiobio.cl/~gpoo/ Concepción - Chile From davyd@madeley.id.au Thu Jun 1 11:22:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE1F3B0DEF for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15950-01 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:22:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oracle.bridgewayconsulting.com.au (oracle.bridgewayconsulting.com.au [203.56.14.38]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1C823B0DF2 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frobisher.local (cugglephone.madeley.id.au [203.56.15.217]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by oracle.bridgewayconsulting.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21C682E8004 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 23:21:11 +0800 (WST) From: Davyd Madeley To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 23:21:09 +0800 Message-Id: <1149175269.6871.61.camel@frobisher.madeley.id.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.479 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.015, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.479 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 11:52:22 -0400 Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 15:22:39 -0000 On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 00:14 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > May be a sort of 'Quick tour from CVS to SVN: tips and tricks' may be > > given at GUADEC. > > We should do that anyway. :-) I have offered to do something like this at GUADEC during some non-core time on IRC. I now offer here. --d -- Davyd Madeley http://www.davyd.id.au/ 08B0 341A 0B9B 08BB 2118 C060 2EDD BB4F 5191 6CDA From gpoo@ubiobio.cl Thu Jun 1 12:45:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C36703B0104 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21522-03 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ubiobio.cl (atlas.dci.ubiobio.cl [146.83.195.21]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C15C43B0EA2 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by forward.ubiobio.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 322184000BC; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:43:08 -0400 (CLT) Received: from pegasus.dci.ubiobio.cl ([146.83.195.11]) by localhost (antivirus.dci.ubiobio.cl [146.83.195.21]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06437-24; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:43:07 -0400 (CLT) Received: from mimos.local (unknown [146.83.198.86]) by pegasus.dci.ubiobio.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49FA92804423; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:44:36 -0400 (CLT) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Germ=E1n_Po=F3_Caama=F1o?= To: Davyd Madeley In-Reply-To: <1149175269.6871.61.camel@frobisher.madeley.id.au> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> <1149175269.6871.61.camel@frobisher.madeley.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 12:44:40 -0400 Message-Id: <1149180281.15278.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at ubiobio.cl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.41 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.054, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.41 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 16:45:07 -0000 On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 23:21 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote: > On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 00:14 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > May be a sort of 'Quick tour from CVS to SVN: tips and tricks' may be > > > given at GUADEC. > > > > We should do that anyway. :-) > > I have offered to do something like this at GUADEC during some non-core > time on IRC. I now offer here. IMO, the way to go is looking for a free space in the schedule an ask to the person in charge to be included there. http://guadec.org/GUADEC2006/schedule/WUW http://guadec.org/GUADEC2006/schedule/AHW http://guadec.org/GUADEC2006/schedule And advertise it. -- Germán Poó-Caamaño http://www.ubiobio.cl/~gpoo/ Concepción - Chile From ross@golder.org Fri Jun 2 09:59:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44C613B0480 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:59:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30672-06 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown [125.25.17.26]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7067E3B0468 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 500) id 80BC09FC5E; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:59:23 +0700 (ICT) From: Ross Golder To: Jeff Waugh In-Reply-To: <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 20:59:23 +0700 Message-Id: <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 13:59:42 -0000 On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 23:20 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > As the various show-stoppers that prevented our previously scheduled > > migration from going ahead have now been resolved, I am proposing that the > > new migration go ahead at 23:59UTC on Friday 16th June 2006. Please let us > > know a.s.a.p if that will be inconvenient for anyone. > > Ross, > > Can I suggest that we do the migration after GUADEC? I think it would be > more useful for us to have reliable and known access to CVS through the week > than be dealing with post-migration woes (as clean as it will be, there will > be some hassles for everyone). > > Thanks, > > - Jeff > How about this - I'll run another test migration on the 23rd, but won't actually make the switch. At least then, if anyone at GUADEC wants to play with or demonstrate anything related to subversion, at least they will get fairly up-to-date code. So, looking at the release schedule, it looks like the next best date would be July 14th. How would that be? -- Ross From jdub@waugh.id.au Fri Jun 2 10:09:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9CCF3B048D for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31323-03 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 380433B0487 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 516F13D869; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:09:24 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9C62A3F98; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:09:20 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:09:20 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: Ross Golder Message-ID: <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: Ross Golder , gnome-hackers@gnome.org References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> Reply-By: Tue Jun 6 00:08:39 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.15-23-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 00:08:39 up 1 day, 0 min, 7 users, load average: 0.08, 0.07, 0.13 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.446 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.018, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.446 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 14:09:26 -0000 > How about this - I'll run another test migration on the 23rd, but won't > actually make the switch. At least then, if anyone at GUADEC wants to play > with or demonstrate anything related to subversion, at least they will get > fairly up-to-date code. Awesome - good call. > So, looking at the release schedule, it looks like the next best date > would be July 14th. How would that be? Hrm, puts it out a bit, hey? I'm happy with that, though, if it's the first available time. Thanks! - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ From ross@golder.org Fri Jun 2 10:42:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 842F53B1178 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:42:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00864-04 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown [125.25.17.26]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEF933B1157 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 500) id 993B69FC5E; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:42:04 +0700 (ICT) From: Ross Golder To: Jeff Waugh In-Reply-To: <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:42:04 +0700 Message-Id: <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 14:42:23 -0000 On Sat, 2006-06-03 at 00:09 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > How about this - I'll run another test migration on the 23rd, but won't > > actually make the switch. At least then, if anyone at GUADEC wants to play > > with or demonstrate anything related to subversion, at least they will get > > fairly up-to-date code. > > Awesome - good call. > > > So, looking at the release schedule, it looks like the next best date > > would be July 14th. How would that be? > > Hrm, puts it out a bit, hey? I'm happy with that, though, if it's the first > available time. > I can do it sooner if there's a demand for it. I'd certainly be happier once it's done and dusted. For me, the 30th June would be good, but it seemed too soon after GUADEC - perhaps people will still have work in their CVS w/d left to commit? The 7th July falls before a couple of tarball deadlines, so might be inconvenient for maintainers if their module takes a while to migrate. The 16th July seems best, because there's not much else going on. I'm open to suggestions. It doesn't necessarily have to be done over a weekend either. -- Ross > Thanks! > > - Jeff > From murrayc@murrayc.com Fri Jun 2 14:22:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE9BB3B034B for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14259-01 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from swarthymail-a4.dreamhost.com (ip-208-97-132-53.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.53]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 377D93B0283 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from noname (p5497F668.dip.t-dialin.net [84.151.246.104]) by swarthymail-a4.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83F0D129A83; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:22:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Murray Cumming To: Ross Golder In-Reply-To: <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 20:22:43 +0200 Message-Id: <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.469 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.053, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.469 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 15:12:13 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 18:22:52 -0000 On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 21:42 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > On Sat, 2006-06-03 at 00:09 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > > > > How about this - I'll run another test migration on the 23rd, but won't > > > actually make the switch. At least then, if anyone at GUADEC wants to play > > > with or demonstrate anything related to subversion, at least they will get > > > fairly up-to-date code. > > > > Awesome - good call. > > > > > So, looking at the release schedule, it looks like the next best date > > > would be July 14th. How would that be? > > > > Hrm, puts it out a bit, hey? I'm happy with that, though, if it's the first > > available time. > > > > I can do it sooner if there's a demand for it. I'd certainly be happier > once it's done and dusted. > > For me, the 30th June would be good, but it seemed too soon after GUADEC > - perhaps people will still have work in their CVS w/d left to commit? > The 7th July falls before a couple of tarball deadlines, so might be > inconvenient for maintainers if their module takes a while to migrate. > The 16th July seems best, because there's not much else going on. > > I'm open to suggestions. It doesn't necessarily have to be done over a > weekend either. Probably there's a document somewhere, but do we have some official advice for how to branch when we are using svn, and will the old cvs branches be morphed into that system? As far as I understand, svn branches of modules are copies of that module in any old directory that you like (with svn presumably maintaining some link between the copies). I guess at the least we need to create the branches/gnome-2-*/ or similar directories early, and tell people to put their branches in their. Please excuse my ignorance on this. -- Murray Cumming murrayc@murrayc.com www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com From joeshaw@novell.com Mon Jun 5 11:36:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42E8C3B059A for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10485-06 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [130.57.169.10]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CC343B022A for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14585 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2006 15:36:40 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO posthaste.boston.ximian.com) (joe@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Jun 2006 15:36:40 -0000 From: Joe Shaw To: Murray Cumming In-Reply-To: <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 11:36:38 -0400 Message-Id: <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.439 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.117, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.439 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 11:41:15 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 15:36:47 -0000 Hi, On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 20:22 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > I guess at the least we need to create the branches/gnome-2-*/ or > similar directories early, and tell people to put their branches in > their. With svn we definitely have a lot more freedom in how we set up our branches and tags. So I think we should immediately limit that freedom by coming up with some conventions. :) I propose the following: Assuming we have some project on the trunk with the URL like so: http://svn.gnome.org/trunk/project Tags, I believe, should be in per-project directories, like so: http://svn.gnome.org/tags/project/PROJECT_1_0_0/project We don't have to keep using the "PROJECT_1_0_0" convention for tags with svn, but I think we probably should for compatibility and predictability. Likewise, we should do similarly for per-project branches: http://svn.gnome.org/branches/project/project-1-0-branch/project But for GNOME-wide branches, we should use the higher-level directory: http://svn.gnome.org/branches/gnome-2-16/project (For these, though, we should probably migrate them to the more aesthetic and correct "gnome-2.16" name, since there are fewer and they are easy to predict programmatically.) Joe From johan@gnome.org Mon Jun 5 11:52:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E30F3B04F6 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:52:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11615-01 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frodo.hserus.net (frodo.hserus.net [204.74.68.40]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9647B3B03E1 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br ([200.171.140.32]:39578 helo=anthem.async.com.br) by frodo.hserus.net with esmtps (Cipher TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.62 #0) id 1FnHNR-000EMq-Qn; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:22:27 +0530 Received: from [192.168.99.10] (jdahlin@walrus.async.com.br [192.168.99.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by anthem.async.com.br (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3ubuntu0.1) with ESMTP id k55FqLrT008207; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 12:52:21 -0300 Message-ID: <4484532B.4070109@gnome.org> Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 12:52:11 -0300 From: Johan Dahlin User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060420) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Shaw References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> In-Reply-To: <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.417 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.047, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.417 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 11:56:28 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 15:52:33 -0000 [..] > http://svn.gnome.org/trunk/project [..] > http://svn.gnome.org/tags/project/PROJECT_1_0_0/project [..] > http://svn.gnome.org/branches/project/project-1-0-branch/project [..] > http://svn.gnome.org/branches/gnome-2-16/project [..] All of these urls assumes that there will only be one repository for all the modules/projects. It is not possible to branch between repositories. It seems like (judging by the revision numbers found on svn.gnome.org) that it is currently done by having one repository per module/project. I'm in favor of having one big repository, which would allow this kind of aliasing. The main disadvantage is the big revision numbers (6 or 7 digits). Johan From james.henstridge@gmail.com Tue Jun 6 00:26:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 367133B0098 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 00:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21950-04 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 00:25:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.195]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E33FE3B009B for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 00:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id h29so870756wxd for ; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:25:49 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=jouzeSD7aYq1sBUoDqmIXp4hixDLwkL95R3LSv5zhNd/3K6+AB/qHGdtunntMG61kzdxRjyxxs/gzGvQ7Fd28AwyvyCrWvOu+OqE0SztW6n31CBdqui9bSmqFjOAYSwn0LaXA7a81KhM5KQXWhiQ1VOaS/FE0mxYpWTdnsIuz9Q= Received: by 10.70.44.17 with SMTP id r17mr7000311wxr; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:25:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.60.15 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 21:25:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:25:49 +0800 From: "James Henstridge" Sender: james.henstridge@gmail.com To: "Joe Shaw" In-Reply-To: <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: bfa39d2be695be2a X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.561 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.561 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 00:40:52 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 04:26:23 -0000 On 05/06/06, Joe Shaw wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 20:22 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > > I guess at the least we need to create the branches/gnome-2-*/ or > > similar directories early, and tell people to put their branches in > > their. > > With svn we definitely have a lot more freedom in how we set up our > branches and tags. So I think we should immediately limit that freedom > by coming up with some conventions. :) I propose the following: > > Assuming we have some project on the trunk with the URL like so: > > http://svn.gnome.org/trunk/project > > Tags, I believe, should be in per-project directories, like so: > > http://svn.gnome.org/tags/project/PROJECT_1_0_0/project > > We don't have to keep using the "PROJECT_1_0_0" convention for tags with > svn, but I think we probably should for compatibility and > predictability. > > Likewise, we should do similarly for per-project branches: > > http://svn.gnome.org/branches/project/project-1-0-branch/project > > But for GNOME-wide branches, we should use the higher-level directory: > > http://svn.gnome.org/branches/gnome-2-16/project > > (For these, though, we should probably migrate them to the more > aesthetic and correct "gnome-2.16" name, since there are fewer and they > are easy to predict programmatically.) The suggested layout for multi-module repositories from the Subversion book is actually: ./$project/trunk <- the mainline for development ./$project/branches/$branchname <- a branch of the project ./$project/tags/$tagname <- a tag of the project For cases where there is only a single module in the repository, they recommend leaving of the "$project/" bit at the start of the paths. What benefits does your layout give over the recommended layout? It looks like it would add complexity without making things easier to understand. James. From thomas@apestaart.org Tue Jun 6 06:04:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABA3E3B0750; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 06:04:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04145-08; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 06:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.es6.egwn.net (server02.es6.egwn.net [195.10.6.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BEAF3B014E; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 06:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.fr4.egwn.net (server07.fr4.egwn.net [62.39.85.77]) by mx1.es6.egwn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5F0C4F82E2; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:04:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.fr4.egwn.net (spiffy mail daemon) with ESMTP id 0D94183BE7; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:04:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mx1.fr4.egwn.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (server07.fr4.egwn.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16922-12; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:03:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from thread.fluendo.lan (core.fluendo.com [195.10.6.237]) by mx1.fr4.egwn.net (spiffy mail daemon) with ESMTP id C559583BE4; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:03:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from thomas.fluendo.lan (thomas.fluendo.lan [192.168.1.10]) by thread.fluendo.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EF06FFDB; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:03:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Thomas Vander Stichele To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 12:03:19 +0200 Message-Id: <1149588200.24971.3.camel@otto.amantes> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 (2.6.1-1.fc5.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned: By amavis at egwn.net X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.626 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.070, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, RCVD_IN_SBL=3.16] X-Spam-Score: 0.626 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 06:51:14 -0400 Cc: gnome-announce-list@gnome.org, devel-announce-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 10:04:10 -0000 On Tue, 2006-05-30 at 13:41 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > Hi, > > As the various show-stoppers that prevented our previously scheduled > migration from going ahead have now been resolved, I am proposing that > the new migration go ahead at 23:59UTC on Friday 16th June 2006. Please > let us know a.s.a.p if that will be inconvenient for anyone. It may be inconvenient for any hack sessions done at GUADEC if it leaves people with too little time to convert their laptop checkouts properly, or if anything goes wrong with the conversion. I don't know if that's important enough of a reason, but it'd be too bad if we'd be stifling the surge of activity at GUADEC. Thomas From joeshaw@novell.com Tue Jun 6 11:10:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CB523B08C7 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:10:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31679-07 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [130.57.169.10]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFC503B0229 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15534 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2006 15:10:02 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO posthaste.boston.ximian.com) (joe@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Jun 2006 15:10:02 -0000 From: Joe Shaw To: James Henstridge In-Reply-To: References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 11:10:01 -0400 Message-Id: <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.477 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.078, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.477 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 11:16:13 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 15:10:06 -0000 Hi, On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 12:25 +0800, James Henstridge wrote: > The suggested layout for multi-module repositories from the Subversion > book is actually: > > ./$project/trunk <- the mainline for development > ./$project/branches/$branchname <- a branch of the project > ./$project/tags/$tagname <- a tag of the project If we're using separate repos for each module, then my proposal doesn't really apply. Other than very high revision numbers and the ease of moving a project repository off of gnome.org to somewhere else later, what are the benefits of multiple repositories? > What benefits does your layout give over the recommended layout? It > looks like it would add complexity without making things easier to > understand. I don't really see any added complexity in there. It's essentially the system we have today with CVS. The main benefit is that you could check out the whole of gnome 2.N at once, rather than knowing what modules to check out and doing so one by one. For an automated tinderbox-like system, you could drop a single file at the root which lists the order in which to build the modules, and then you don't have to worry about *any* synchronization of the module list with tools outside of svn. Joe From jdub@waugh.id.au Tue Jun 6 11:30:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA40E3B0151 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:30:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00913-02 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 751413B028C for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1A943D251; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 01:30:50 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C3BB83F9C; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 01:30:44 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 01:30:44 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: Joe Shaw Message-ID: <20060606153044.GA5138@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: Joe Shaw , James Henstridge , gnome-hackers@gnome.org References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Reply-By: Sat Jun 10 01:29:40 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.15-23-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 01:29:40 up 5 days, 1:21, 10 users, load average: 0.25, 0.10, 0.10 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.447 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.447 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 15:30:58 -0000 > I don't really see any added complexity in there. It's essentially the > system we have today with CVS. Perhaps delaying this after GUADEC will provide another benefit: A good load of high social bandwidth discussion during GUADEC about how to go about it. :-) - Jeff -- GUADEC 2006: Vilanova i la Geltrú, Spain http://2006.guadec.org/ "I have a burning curiosity about everything, everything-- except country and western, of course." - David Bowie From rml@novell.com Tue Jun 6 11:52:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 267353B0225 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:52:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02354-08 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [130.57.169.10]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11A853B0AB0 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15604 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2006 15:52:06 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO betsy.boston.ximian.com) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Jun 2006 15:52:06 -0000 From: Robert Love To: Joe Shaw In-Reply-To: <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 11:52:21 -0400 Message-Id: <1149609141.31757.17.camel@betsy.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.482 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.083, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.482 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 12:21:54 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 15:52:11 -0000 On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 11:10 -0400, Joe Shaw wrote: > The main benefit is that you could check out the whole of gnome 2.N at > once, rather than knowing what modules to check out and doing so one by > one. For an automated tinderbox-like system, you could drop a single > file at the root which lists the order in which to build the modules, > and then you don't have to worry about *any* synchronization of the > module list with tools outside of svn. Building on this fabulous idea, we can snapshot and tag all of a GNOME release, too. All-modules-in-one-repo seems to be pretty much the norm. I'd die for that cause. Robert Love From james.henstridge@gmail.com Tue Jun 6 12:22:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAA393B014B for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:22:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04758-01 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.197]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AD5F3B0284 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:22:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so1455063wxd for ; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 09:22:42 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=q76PChRbDzmRBAOI+u2Qkyp38lWfCxt0EK9nkNtvnAQLDH6xu64Z6JGeo3zF+GabQ4nfE8u7NRwKbfTM+5OplZlzkXY2xMQGjVdvI9B+IgmZlcDguvt9bvmlZuroz7u+dbAdXlKBqOFJNheRCnzPjtPvBdldOtf5t3zgs7YRLIw= Received: by 10.70.14.9 with SMTP id 9mr7771150wxn; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 09:22:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.60.15 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 09:22:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 00:22:42 +0800 From: "James Henstridge" Sender: james.henstridge@gmail.com To: "Joe Shaw" In-Reply-To: <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3439076e4a7f8d61 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.588 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.012, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.588 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 13:21:18 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 16:22:47 -0000 On 06/06/06, Joe Shaw wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 12:25 +0800, James Henstridge wrote: > > The suggested layout for multi-module repositories from the Subversion > > book is actually: > > > > ./$project/trunk <- the mainline for development > > ./$project/branches/$branchname <- a branch of the project > > ./$project/tags/$tagname <- a tag of the project > > If we're using separate repos for each module, then my proposal doesn't > really apply. Other than very high revision numbers and the ease of > moving a project repository off of gnome.org to somewhere else later, > what are the benefits of multiple repositories? You'd have to ask Ross about why we're using multiple repositories. There definitely are benefits to hosting multiple projects within a single repo. Subversion doesn't really handle interactions between repositories so code in separate repos are quite isolated. It is also less effort to add a new module to a repo (compared with creating new Subversion repositories, which will probably require sysadmin intervention). On the other hand, multiple repositories probably scale better since there will be less lock contention. I'm not sure how much of a problem lock contention would be though. > > What benefits does your layout give over the recommended layout? It > > looks like it would add complexity without making things easier to > > understand. > > I don't really see any added complexity in there. It's essentially the > system we have today with CVS. Really? The layout described in the Subversion book seems like a closer analogue to what we do in CVS. > The main benefit is that you could check out the whole of gnome 2.N at > once, rather than knowing what modules to check out and doing so one by > one. For an automated tinderbox-like system, you could drop a single > file at the root which lists the order in which to build the modules, > and then you don't have to worry about *any* synchronization of the > module list with tools outside of svn. Who would be allowed to create branches in this repo-wide "gnome 2.N" branch directory? Only stuff that is part of desktop and developer platform? Everything that creates branches to target particular Gnome releases? It seems that checking out one of these repo-wide "gnome 2.N" directories would end up pulling either too many or too few modules for any particular use. It is also worth noting that there will always be important parts of the Gnome module stack that are outside of our Subversion repository. For example, the recent GTK printing work depended on new features in Cairo. With your system without maintaining an import of cairo into the Gnome Subversion repo, which would be a maintenance nightmare. James. From joeshaw@novell.com Tue Jun 6 12:52:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71DE13B0090 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06467-04 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [130.57.169.10]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 383C93B0197 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15669 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2006 16:52:16 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO posthaste.boston.ximian.com) (joe@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Jun 2006 16:52:16 -0000 From: Joe Shaw To: James Henstridge In-Reply-To: References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 12:52:15 -0400 Message-Id: <1149612735.3790.71.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.477 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.078, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.477 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 13:21:18 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 16:52:18 -0000 Hi, On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 00:22 +0800, James Henstridge wrote: > On 06/06/06, Joe Shaw wrote: > > I don't really see any added complexity in there. It's essentially the > > system we have today with CVS. > > Really? The layout described in the Subversion book seems like a > closer analogue to what we do in CVS. Are you referring to this? http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch04s07.html Assuming one large repo, the only difference between my proposal and the book's is that there is an extra directory level in the branches (or tags) directory for each project. That way one doesn't have to wade through every tag or branch name for every project. In that sense it's more like CVS now: tags and branches are private per module. For example: /repos/calc/branches/my-calc-branch would most likely in an equivalent single repo setup be: /repos/branches/my-calc-branch My proposal is: /repos/branches/calc/my-calc-branch That way, when you really want to see just the calc branches you can go to /repo/branches/calc and not also see all the "paint" branches. The one exception is for any repo-wide branches, like a GNOME release. > Who would be allowed to create branches in this repo-wide "gnome 2.N" > branch directory? Only stuff that is part of desktop and developer > platform? Everything that creates branches to target particular Gnome > releases? It could require a change in workflow, perhaps negatively. People would have to branch at release time, rather than delaying it until they're ready for unstable development. And checking into the branch and the trunk is a PITA. But it's probably something that warrants discussion. But to answer the question, I'd assume that module maintainers who branch now would simply copy their modules into the branch directory. Perhaps it could be done by someone on the release team at release-time. > It is also worth noting that there will always be important parts of > the Gnome module stack that are outside of our Subversion repository. > For example, the recent GTK printing work depended on new features in > Cairo. With your system without maintaining an import of cairo into > the Gnome Subversion repo, which would be a maintenance nightmare. True, but any automated build tool needs to handle out-of-tree dependencies anyway. Reducing the maintenance for our part somewhat is preferable to reducing it none, IMO. Joe From james.henstridge@gmail.com Tue Jun 6 22:46:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C81853B0072 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 22:46:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06342-06 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 22:46:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.202]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 616233B00E6 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 22:46:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so121062wxd for ; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 19:46:38 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YP+HN5cUgne/11IeotaSjwmb5U7n4Wx8Hn1qmTWFNOmZSguJiJ7ql1v6/iVM1D05QTPNfXOzZhtHXtC499OJjVSpU4gLHex7cu+p+ogh2yAwTlG5JpuRsLZrROwO5NQYsqvcvrXr1wC6H1ZhQEq1ZFILUR01V8uyliQGHZCgemo= Received: by 10.70.36.1 with SMTP id j1mr61175wxj; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 19:46:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.60.15 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 19:46:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:46:38 +0800 From: "James Henstridge" To: "Joe Shaw" In-Reply-To: <1149612735.3790.71.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <1149612735.3790.71.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.523 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_JH=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 03:36:55 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 02:46:42 -0000 On 07/06/06, Joe Shaw wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 00:22 +0800, James Henstridge wrote: > > On 06/06/06, Joe Shaw wrote: > > > I don't really see any added complexity in there. It's essentially the > > > system we have today with CVS. > > > > Really? The layout described in the Subversion book seems like a > > closer analogue to what we do in CVS. > > Are you referring to this? > > http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch04s07.html Yes. That page of the book also links to this page, which goes into a bit more detail: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch05s04.html > > Assuming one large repo, the only difference between my proposal and the > book's is that there is an extra directory level in the branches (or > tags) directory for each project. That way one doesn't have to wade > through every tag or branch name for every project. In that sense it's > more like CVS now: tags and branches are private per module. You are suggesting having toplevel trunk, branches and tags directories in the repository, while the book suggests having separate trunk, branches and tags directories under each project root in the repository. A lot of the differences between the suggested layout and your proposed layout seem to stem from trying to make that layout usable (e.g. keeping the branches directory manageable). > For example: > > /repos/calc/branches/my-calc-branch > > would most likely in an equivalent single repo setup be: > > /repos/branches/my-calc-branch > > My proposal is: > > /repos/branches/calc/my-calc-branch If "/repos" is the Subversion repository, then the book actually suggests you use: /repos/calc/branches/my-calc-branch (so everything related to "calc" is under a single directory in the repository). > > That way, when you really want to see just the calc branches you can go > to /repo/branches/calc and not also see all the "paint" branches. > > The one exception is for any repo-wide branches, like a GNOME release. I am not convinced that there are many benefits to storing the all Gnome 2.N branches under a separate directory. It would effectively hide them when browsing through the other branches of each individual module. > > Who would be allowed to create branches in this repo-wide "gnome 2.N" > > branch directory? Only stuff that is part of desktop and developer > > platform? Everything that creates branches to target particular Gnome > > releases? > > It could require a change in workflow, perhaps negatively. People would > have to branch at release time, rather than delaying it until they're > ready for unstable development. And checking into the branch and the > trunk is a PITA. But it's probably something that warrants discussion. > > But to answer the question, I'd assume that module maintainers who > branch now would simply copy their modules into the branch directory. > Perhaps it could be done by someone on the release team at release-time. > > > It is also worth noting that there will always be important parts of > > the Gnome module stack that are outside of our Subversion repository. > > For example, the recent GTK printing work depended on new features in > > Cairo. With your system without maintaining an import of cairo into > > the Gnome Subversion repo, which would be a maintenance nightmare. > > True, but any automated build tool needs to handle out-of-tree > dependencies anyway. Reducing the maintenance for our part somewhat is > preferable to reducing it none, IMO. Well, I plan to continue maintaining the Gnome module set definitions for jhbuild in Subversion, which is essentially the information you propose storing in the repo. It is fairly agnostic to the exact layout used in the repo, so wouldn't really benefit from a gnome release-wide branches subdirectory. James. From ross@golder.org Thu Jun 15 04:35:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 705033B03BD; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 04:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23205-02; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 04:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F7CF3B017A; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 04:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D2AD40AB; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:35:21 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xhk2B6x-5+T6; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:35:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from red (unknown [125.24.64.59]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70C123FE2; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:35:13 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) From: Ross Golder To: Johan Dahlin In-Reply-To: <4484532B.4070109@gnome.org> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <4484532B.4070109@gnome.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 15:34:36 +0700 Message-Id: <1150360476.7547.65.camel@red> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.471 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.128, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.471 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 08:35:25 -0000 On Mon, 2006-06-05 at 12:52 -0300, Johan Dahlin wrote: > [..] > > http://svn.gnome.org/trunk/project > [..] > > http://svn.gnome.org/tags/project/PROJECT_1_0_0/project > [..] > > http://svn.gnome.org/branches/project/project-1-0-branch/project > [..] > > http://svn.gnome.org/branches/gnome-2-16/project > [..] > > All of these urls assumes that there will only be one repository for all the > modules/projects. It is not possible to branch between repositories. > > It seems like (judging by the revision numbers found on svn.gnome.org) that > it is currently done by having one repository per module/project. > Indeed. One repository per module is the way I have been doing it. > I'm in favor of having one big repository, which would allow this kind of > aliasing. The main disadvantage is the big revision numbers (6 or 7 digits). > I can see there are plenty of good arguments for and against the three main approaches (single, multiple and mixed) described in the 'Choosing a Repository Layout' section of the manual . However, I still feel that the multiple repositories approach will work best for GNOME. I think being able to import/export and control (e.g. hook scripts, revision numbers, branches/tags etc) at a module level is the best approach. Eventually most monolithic things get broken down and modularised anyway, so IMHO we might as well start broken down (pretty much as we are now) and build up. The way the migration script works at the moment is that all modules will have a separate repository, with their own hook scripts etc. I particularly want this feature, so I can set up automatic e-mails for *only* commits on modules for which I am maintainer, without having to subscribe to the dirty great 'svn-commits-list'. Also, the migration script adds a call to a global shared hook-script, containing the 'svn-commits-list' hook among others. Also, it means projects can move to/from the GNOME subversion service more easily (without having to integrate/extract themselves from a monolithic repository). And, if one module gets corrupted or something, the whole repository doesn't become stalled. As for project-wide release tags (e.g. GNOME-2-14 etc), I can see that it's a tempting feature, but would it really give us a day-to-day advantage over individual repositories all using a common branch-name conversion to identify them? I'm imagining that a simple 'for...' loop for a given set of repositories would suffice in most cases. Also, historical project release branches/tags will probably be fragmented anyway where the different module maintainers haven't all used the same branching/tagging case and underscore/hyphen conventions. I'd be interested to hear the release team's view on whether a monolithic repo would really make their lives much easier. Anyway, if I'm way off the mark, and people really do think a monolithic repository (or even a mixed one, where we have a repository per group of packages) is the correct way forward, I'll happily cancel the upcoming migration again until someone can come up with a more suitable strategy :) Cheers, -- Ross > Johan > _______________________________________________ > gnome-hackers mailing list > gnome-hackers@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-hackers From vuntz@gnome.org Thu Jun 15 05:17:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DDF83B032F; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 05:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25231-04; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 05:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8D353B0270; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 05:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 33) id 05FEE112692; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:17:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 193.253.45.67 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vuntz) by vuntz.net with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:17:23 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <33333.193.253.45.67.1150363043.squirrel@vuntz.net> In-Reply-To: <1150360476.7547.65.camel@red> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <4484532B.4070109@gnome.org> <1150360476.7547.65.camel@red> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:17:23 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) From: "Vincent Untz" To: "Ross Golder" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.561 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.561 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:17:29 -0000 On Thu, June 15, 2006 10:34, Ross Golder wrote: > I'd be interested to hear the release team's view on whether a > monolithic repo would really make their lives much easier. My really humble opinion (since I'm no expert) is that I agree with you on nearly everything. The per-module hooks are a killer feature for me. Just my €0.02, since you asked for feedback ;-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From joeshaw@novell.com Thu Jun 15 12:26:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4681F3B0482 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 12:26:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22443-01 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 12:26:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [130.57.169.10]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA4413B0434 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 12:26:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 25036 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2006 16:25:53 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO posthaste.boston.ximian.com) (joe@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 Jun 2006 16:25:53 -0000 Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) From: Joe Shaw To: Ross Golder In-Reply-To: <1150360476.7547.65.camel@red> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <4484532B.4070109@gnome.org> <1150360476.7547.65.camel@red> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 12:25:53 -0400 Message-Id: <1150388753.19002.55.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.439 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.117, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, TW_JH=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.439 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:26:26 -0000 Hi, On Thu, 2006-06-15 at 15:34 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > Indeed. One repository per module is the way I have been doing it. Ok, I have no real strong opinion on it. One large repo is just what I'm more used to (Mono). > However, I still feel that the multiple repositories approach will work > best for GNOME. I trust your judgement. :) > As for project-wide release tags (e.g. GNOME-2-14 etc), I can see that > it's a tempting feature, but would it really give us a day-to-day > advantage over individual repositories all using a common branch-name > conversion to identify them? I guess people these days mainly use jhbuild for large GNOME builds, so maybe it's not remotely as interesting as I think it is. Is that what the tinderboxes are using? Maybe blessing jhbuild as "gnome-build" or whatever would put me more at ease. It just seems to me that our build processes are very ad-hoc. Maybe they're not documented well, maybe they work fine and don't need to be. I don't know, I am just rambling at this point. > Anyway, if I'm way off the mark, and people really do think a monolithic > repository (or even a mixed one, where we have a repository per group of > packages) is the correct way forward, I'll happily cancel the upcoming > migration again until someone can come up with a more suitable > strategy :) Oh please no. You're doing a great job and I am dying waiting for svn. Joe From jdub@waugh.id.au Thu Jun 15 14:07:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFF4E3B035A for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26251-08 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CA3D3B02DA for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B1C3C75B for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 04:07:12 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8B1B63F55; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 04:07:02 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 04:07:02 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) 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X-Uptime: 04:06:51 up 14 days, 3:58, 7 users, load average: 0.06, 0.05, 0.01 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.015, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:07:51 -0000 > Oh please no. You're doing a great job and I am dying waiting for svn. SAVE JOE SHAW! - Jeff -- GUADEC 2006: Vilanova i la Geltrú, Spain http://2006.guadec.org/ "Old timers will tell you what a pain unstable was during the new testament transition." - Jon Corbet on Debian's KJV packages From behdad.esfahbod@gmail.com Thu Jun 15 17:38:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFECA3B00DD for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:38:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01988-05 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.238]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E19AC3B0011 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 37so427824wra for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:38:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.108.13 with SMTP id g13mr2187733wrc; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:38:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.190.5? ( [72.136.156.47]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 6sm1544376wrl.2006.06.15.14.38.10; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:38:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Women's Summer Outreach Program 2006 From: Behdad Esfahbod To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org, foundation-list@gnome.org, foundation-announce@gnome.org, gnome-announce-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:38:06 -0400 Message-Id: <1150407487.29623.12.camel@home> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 (2.6.1-1.fc5.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: Behdad Esfahbod X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 00:52:22 -0400 X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 21:38:49 -0000 GNOME to Sponsor Female Developers in a Summer Outreach Program BOSTON, Mass - June 13, 2006 - The GNOME Foundation is offering USD$9000 to female students in order to promote the participation of women in GNOME-related development. The money originates from GNOME's participation in the Google "Summer of Code" program (code.google.com/soc/), for which GNOME developers will mentor 20 students working throughout the northern summer on GNOME-related projects. This year GNOME received 181 applications to Google's program, yet none were from women. The GNOME Foundation has therefore chosen to reinvest Google's contribution into a new program designed to increase the participation of women in GNOME. The program has no official relationship with Google. "Free software prides itself on being open to anyone with a good idea, yet less than 2% of free software developers are female. We, as a community, need to be actively working to change this statistic, and programs like this one are a much needed step in the right direction." said Hanna Wallach, a GNOME developer who is involved in several projects that encourage women to participate in free software development. The Women's Summer Outreach Program is currently accepting applications from female students. Accepted students will receive a stipend of USD $3000 over a two month period. A pool of project ideas is provided at www.gnome.org/projects/wsop/, though original proposals are also encouraged. Projects may either be related to GNOME directly, or indirectly via projects such as Gstreamer and Abiword. Each student will be assigned a mentor to provide guidance throughout the program. Vincent Untz, member of the GNOME Foundation board and coordinator of the GNOME team for Google's "Summer of Code" program, explained: "Many women have the skills required to contribute to Free Software projects like GNOME, but may not see an opportunity to start working with us. By initiating this program, not only do we want to highlight the issue, but we also hope that this opportunity will help more women to get involved in the long term." Applications should be submitted using the form at www.gnome.org/projects/wsop/. More information about the application process may be found at the same location. From spam@pvanhoof.be Mon Jun 19 05:20:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41F683B00C8 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:20:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01630-10 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.freax.org (mail.freax.org [86.39.154.66]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CAC83B008F for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.freax.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A482AE7978 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:14:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.freax.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.freax.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Grg-lfHk-2tw for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:14:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from lort.newtec.be (mailhost.newtec.be [62.58.98.194]) (using SSLv3 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.freax.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68EE1E7977 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:14:38 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off is Fri 14 July) From: Philip Van Hoof To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1150446423.17466.26.camel@red> References: <1150446423.17466.26.camel@red> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:19:06 +0200 Message-Id: <1150708746.5359.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.419 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.047, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.419 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 06:26:47 -0400 X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 09:20:17 -0000 On Fri, 2006-06-16 at 15:27 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > How about this - I'll run another test migration on the 23rd, but won't > > actually make the switch. At least then, if anyone at GUADEC wants to > > play with or demonstrate anything related to subversion, at least they > > will get fairly up-to-date code. Hey Ross, Thanks for taking care of the Subversion transition. In my opinion we certainly need an upgrade of our repository software. Subversion is a good choice. I'm wondering whether new projects that haven't yet been in the GNOME CVS repository can enter the new Subversion repository sooner? I'm also wondering whether it will be possible to handover the sysadmins the resulting dump file of a "svnadmin dump"? ps. I'm indeed planning to let the tinymail repository get hosted by the upcoming GNOME Subversion infrastructure. Thanks -- Philip Van Hoof, software developer at x-tend home: me at pvanhoof dot be gnome: pvanhoof at gnome dot org work: vanhoof at x-tend dot be http://www.pvanhoof.be - http://www.x-tend.be From ross@golder.org Mon Jun 19 10:05:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BEB13B0014 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14538-09 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:05:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0918D3B0017 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D69B4A91; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:38:58 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BA3l6Mx+TfZ4; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:38:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from [10.174.248.19] (unknown [203.170.228.172]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE1A340DD; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:38:44 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off is Fri 14 July) From: Ross Golder To: Philip Van Hoof In-Reply-To: <1150708746.5359.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1150446423.17466.26.camel@red> <1150708746.5359.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:37:53 +0700 Message-Id: <1150724273.9923.18.camel@red> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.536 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.505, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558] X-Spam-Score: -0.536 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:05:24 -0000 On Mon, 2006-06-19 at 11:19 +0200, Philip Van Hoof wrote: > On Fri, 2006-06-16 at 15:27 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > I'm wondering whether new projects that haven't yet been in the GNOME > CVS repository can enter the new Subversion repository sooner? I'm also > wondering whether it will be possible to handover the sysadmins the > resulting dump file of a "svnadmin dump"? > Sorry, no, we're not planning to support any Subversion services until the migration cut-off. The sysadmin team don't want to be in a position of having to support multiple version control systems simultaneously, there is a technical issue that means it wouldn't be straightforward to set up, and it'll make the live migration more confusing for me too! After the migration, it shouldn't be a problem to just send a compressed dump of your subversion repository to 'support@gnome.org' and we'll install it. Obviously, it'll have to follow the usual guidelines for new modules, as I'm sure yours do :) http://live.gnome.org/ProjectPrerequisites -- Ross From tere.ertw@gmail.com Mon Jun 26 21:12:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 556253B00FE for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27746-01 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.190]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 251643B00AB for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c29so990364nfb for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:12:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.144.19 with SMTP id r19mr5171174nfd; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:12:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.57.3 with HTTP; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:12:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8d3f24ab0606261812r7906d516i43fb3edaddf4c836@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:12:46 -0400 From: "Teresa Thomas" To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: HTTP handling MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_59458_14816789.1151370766217" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.874 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.759, BAYES_05=-1.11, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, HTML_00_10=0.795, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.874 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 10:05:29 -0400 X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 01:12:49 -0000 ------=_Part_59458_14816789.1151370766217 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I am making an Evolution plugin that enable it to synchrized with the Google calendar. As part of this, I will need to do some HTTP handling, create and send requests, receive and interpret responses etc. Does anyone know any libraries that can aid in doing this? I was looking in libgHTTP, but it does not have any helpful documentation. Would be grateful is anyone has any suggestions or more information on libgHTTP. Thanks! ------=_Part_59458_14816789.1151370766217 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I am making an Evolution plugin that enable it to synchrized with the Google calendar. As part of this, I will need to do some HTTP handling, create and send requests, receive and interpret responses etc.  Does anyone know any libraries that can aid in doing this?

I was looking in libgHTTP, but it does not have any helpful documentation. Would be grateful is anyone has any suggestions or more information on libgHTTP.

Thanks! ------=_Part_59458_14816789.1151370766217-- From james.henstridge@gmail.com Tue Jun 27 21:16:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C47D3B006D for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 21:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23438-06 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 21:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.194]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 903873B0002 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 21:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id s15so7262wxc for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:15:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.14.3 with SMTP id 3mr463202wxn; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.60.15 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 09:15:43 +0800 From: "James Henstridge" Sender: james.henstridge@gmail.com To: "Teresa Thomas" Subject: Re: HTTP handling In-Reply-To: <8d3f24ab0606261812r7906d516i43fb3edaddf4c836@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <8d3f24ab0606261812r7906d516i43fb3edaddf4c836@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1fcbc1542e59da0e X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.492 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.092, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.492 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 01:16:38 -0000 On 27/06/06, Teresa Thomas wrote: > I am making an Evolution plugin that enable it to synchrized with the Google > calendar. As part of this, I will need to do some HTTP handling, create and > send requests, receive and interpret responses etc. Does anyone know any > libraries that can aid in doing this? > > I was looking in libgHTTP, but it does not have any helpful documentation. > Would be grateful is anyone has any suggestions or more information on > libgHTTP. You should probably look at libsoup. It is already a dependency of Evolution and can integrate into the GTK event loop. James. From blizzard@redhat.com Wed Jun 28 14:38:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56F5A3B02CE for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:38:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27566-03 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:38:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6D213B0443 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5SIcMYO002458; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:38:22 -0400 Received: from pobox.corp.redhat.com (pobox.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.156]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5SIcHwp015222; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:38:17 -0400 Received: from [10.32.4.2] (vpn-4-2.stuttgart.redhat.com [10.32.4.2]) by pobox.corp.redhat.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k5SIcErt009469; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:38:15 -0400 Message-ID: <44A2CC66.1060408@redhat.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:37:26 -0400 From: Christopher Blizzard User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060613) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Henstridge Subject: Re: HTTP handling References: <8d3f24ab0606261812r7906d516i43fb3edaddf4c836@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.489 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.035, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_BG=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.489 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 03:00:44 -0400 Cc: Teresa Thomas , gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:38:25 -0000 James Henstridge wrote: > On 27/06/06, Teresa Thomas wrote: >> I am making an Evolution plugin that enable it to synchrized with the Google >> calendar. As part of this, I will need to do some HTTP handling, create and >> send requests, receive and interpret responses etc. Does anyone know any >> libraries that can aid in doing this? >> >> I was looking in libgHTTP, but it does not have any helpful documentation. >> Would be grateful is anyone has any suggestions or more information on >> libgHTTP. > > You should probably look at libsoup. It is already a dependency of > Evolution and can integrate into the GTK event loop. > Holy crap I wrote libghttp 10 years ago. Is it still in gnome-cvs? --Chris From qub333@gmail.com Thu Jun 29 12:17:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1D813B0198 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26273-02 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.177]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9B2A3B015A for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c30so284773pyc for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:17:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.20.14 with SMTP id x14mr1729106pyi; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:17:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.8.13 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:17:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <88d636060606290917p2c13063au799a399ce0821e2a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:17:01 -0400 From: kevin@kubasik.net Sender: qub333@gmail.com To: "Christopher Blizzard" Subject: Re: HTTP handling In-Reply-To: <44A2CC66.1060408@redhat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <8d3f24ab0606261812r7906d516i43fb3edaddf4c836@mail.gmail.com> <44A2CC66.1060408@redhat.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8858b1926ac684f4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.894 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.609, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, NO_REAL_NAME=0.961, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_BG=0.077, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -1.894 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:57:40 -0400 Cc: Teresa Thomas , gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:17:04 -0000 Hey, if libghttp is deprecisted, let the gnome sysadmin team know before the svn migration so it can be added to the list of "obsolete" modules. -Kevin Kubasik On 6/28/06, Christopher Blizzard wrote: > James Henstridge wrote: > > On 27/06/06, Teresa Thomas wrote: > >> I am making an Evolution plugin that enable it to synchrized with the > Google > >> calendar. As part of this, I will need to do some HTTP handling, create > and > >> send requests, receive and interpret responses etc. Does anyone know any > >> libraries that can aid in doing this? > >> > >> I was looking in libgHTTP, but it does not have any helpful > documentation. > >> Would be grateful is anyone has any suggestions or more information on > >> libgHTTP. > > > > You should probably look at libsoup. It is already a dependency of > > Evolution and can integrate into the GTK event loop. > > > > Holy crap I wrote libghttp 10 years ago. Is it still in gnome-cvs? > > --Chris > _______________________________________________ > gnome-hackers mailing list > gnome-hackers@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-hackers > -- Cheers, Kevin Kubasik http://kubasik.net/blog From blizzard@redhat.com Thu Jun 29 13:17:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25E0C3B00F5 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29605-10 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:17:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 236D43B007D for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:17:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5THHOBi026138; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:17:24 -0400 Received: from pobox.corp.redhat.com (pobox.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.156]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5THHOOL017821; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:17:24 -0400 Received: from [10.32.4.26] (vpn-4-26.stuttgart.redhat.com [10.32.4.26]) by pobox.corp.redhat.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k5THHNrt002155; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:17:23 -0400 Message-ID: <44A40B19.6050908@redhat.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:17:13 -0400 From: Christopher Blizzard User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060613) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kevin@kubasik.net Subject: Re: HTTP handling References: <8d3f24ab0606261812r7906d516i43fb3edaddf4c836@mail.gmail.com> <44A2CC66.1060408@redhat.com> <88d636060606290917p2c13063au799a399ce0821e2a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <88d636060606290917p2c13063au799a399ce0821e2a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.455 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.008, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_BG=0.077, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.455 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:57:40 -0400 Cc: Teresa Thomas , gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:17:27 -0000 Probably should be. How do I contact them? --Chris kevin@kubasik.net wrote: > Hey, if libghttp is deprecisted, let the gnome sysadmin team know > before the svn migration so it can be added to the list of "obsolete" > modules. > > -Kevin Kubasik > > On 6/28/06, Christopher Blizzard wrote: >> James Henstridge wrote: >> > On 27/06/06, Teresa Thomas wrote: >> >> I am making an Evolution plugin that enable it to synchrized with the >> Google >> >> calendar. As part of this, I will need to do some HTTP handling, >> create >> and >> >> send requests, receive and interpret responses etc. Does anyone >> know any >> >> libraries that can aid in doing this? >> >> >> >> I was looking in libgHTTP, but it does not have any helpful >> documentation. >> >> Would be grateful is anyone has any suggestions or more information on >> >> libgHTTP. >> > >> > You should probably look at libsoup. It is already a dependency of >> > Evolution and can integrate into the GTK event loop. >> > >> >> Holy crap I wrote libghttp 10 years ago. Is it still in gnome-cvs? >> >> --Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> gnome-hackers mailing list >> gnome-hackers@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-hackers >> > > From kmaraas@broadpark.no Thu Jun 29 17:26:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60C813B02AB for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09576-09 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osl1smout1.broadpark.no (osl1smout1.broadpark.no [80.202.4.58]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D64FF3B02A2 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osl1sminn1.broadpark.no ([80.202.4.59]) by osl1smout1.broadpark.no (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.05 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J1N003O94W9B480@osl1smout1.broadpark.no> for gnome-hackers@gnome.org; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 23:26:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.0.0.76] ([84.48.76.97]) by osl1sminn1.broadpark.no (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.05 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J1N005IR4W9FD80@osl1sminn1.broadpark.no> for gnome-hackers@gnome.org; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 23:26:33 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 23:26:33 +0200 From: Kjartan Maraas Subject: Re: HTTP handling In-reply-to: <44A40B19.6050908@redhat.com> To: Christopher Blizzard Message-id: <1151616393.2825.3.camel@rivendell> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.3 (2.7.3-5) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <8d3f24ab0606261812r7906d516i43fb3edaddf4c836@mail.gmail.com> <44A2CC66.1060408@redhat.com> <88d636060606290917p2c13063au799a399ce0821e2a@mail.gmail.com> <44A40B19.6050908@redhat.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.905 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.540, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_BG=0.077, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -1.905 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 18:03:45 -0400 Cc: Teresa Thomas , gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:26:40 -0000 tor, 29,.06.2006 kl. 13.17 -0400, skrev Christopher Blizzard: > Probably should be. How do I contact them? > I think it was moved to the retirement home last time we cleaned house. Maybe the developer site is still referencing it somewhere? /me googles d.g.o...there's a gnome-http folder there in viewcvs, but it looks empty. Maybe we need to remove the empty folder as well? Cheers Kjartan > --Chris > > kevin@kubasik.net wrote: > > Hey, if libghttp is deprecisted, let the gnome sysadmin team know > > before the svn migration so it can be added to the list of "obsolete" > > modules. > > > > -Kevin Kubasik > > > > On 6/28/06, Christopher Blizzard wrote: > >> James Henstridge wrote: > >> > On 27/06/06, Teresa Thomas wrote: > >> >> I am making an Evolution plugin that enable it to synchrized with the > >> Google > >> >> calendar. As part of this, I will need to do some HTTP handling, > >> create > >> and > >> >> send requests, receive and interpret responses etc. Does anyone > >> know any > >> >> libraries that can aid in doing this? > >> >> > >> >> I was looking in libgHTTP, but it does not have any helpful > >> documentation. > >> >> Would be grateful is anyone has any suggestions or more information on > >> >> libgHTTP. > >> > > >> > You should probably look at libsoup. It is already a dependency of > >> > Evolution and can integrate into the GTK event loop. > >> > > >> > >> Holy crap I wrote libghttp 10 years ago. Is it still in gnome-cvs? > >> > >> --Chris > >> _______________________________________________ > >> gnome-hackers mailing list > >> gnome-hackers@gnome.org > >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-hackers > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-hackers mailing list > gnome-hackers@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-hackers From blizzard@redhat.com Thu Jun 29 21:10:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EB253B000D for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:10:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18454-04 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A0873B006A for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5U1AIhK003119; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:10:18 -0400 Received: from pobox.corp.redhat.com (pobox.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.156]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5U1AI82018694; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:10:18 -0400 Received: from [10.32.4.7] (vpn-4-7.stuttgart.redhat.com [10.32.4.7]) by pobox.corp.redhat.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k5U1AFQW022923; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:10:16 -0400 Message-ID: <44A479E5.8030706@redhat.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:09:57 -0400 From: Christopher Blizzard User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060613) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kjartan Maraas Subject: Re: HTTP handling References: <8d3f24ab0606261812r7906d516i43fb3edaddf4c836@mail.gmail.com> <44A2CC66.1060408@redhat.com> <88d636060606290917p2c13063au799a399ce0821e2a@mail.gmail.com> <44A40B19.6050908@redhat.com> <1151616393.2825.3.camel@rivendell> In-Reply-To: <1151616393.2825.3.camel@rivendell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.454 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.007, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_BG=0.077, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 00:35:57 -0400 Cc: Teresa Thomas , gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 01:10:22 -0000 Up to you guys. I just work here. :) --Chris Kjartan Maraas wrote: > tor, 29,.06.2006 kl. 13.17 -0400, skrev Christopher Blizzard: >> Probably should be. How do I contact them? >> > I think it was moved to the retirement home last time we cleaned house. > > Maybe the developer site is still referencing it somewhere? /me googles > d.g.o...there's a gnome-http folder there in viewcvs, but it looks > empty. Maybe we need to remove the empty folder as well? > > Cheers > Kjartan > >> --Chris >> >> kevin@kubasik.net wrote: >>> Hey, if libghttp is deprecisted, let the gnome sysadmin team know >>> before the svn migration so it can be added to the list of "obsolete" >>> modules. >>> >>> -Kevin Kubasik >>> >>> On 6/28/06, Christopher Blizzard wrote: >>>> James Henstridge wrote: >>>>> On 27/06/06, Teresa Thomas wrote: >>>>>> I am making an Evolution plugin that enable it to synchrized with the >>>> Google >>>>>> calendar. As part of this, I will need to do some HTTP handling, >>>> create >>>> and >>>>>> send requests, receive and interpret responses etc. Does anyone >>>> know any >>>>>> libraries that can aid in doing this? >>>>>> >>>>>> I was looking in libgHTTP, but it does not have any helpful >>>> documentation. >>>>>> Would be grateful is anyone has any suggestions or more information on >>>>>> libgHTTP. >>>>> You should probably look at libsoup. It is already a dependency of >>>>> Evolution and can integrate into the GTK event loop. >>>>> >>>> Holy crap I wrote libghttp 10 years ago. Is it still in gnome-cvs? >>>> >>>> --Chris >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> gnome-hackers mailing list >>>> gnome-hackers@gnome.org >>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-hackers >>>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> gnome-hackers mailing list >> gnome-hackers@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-hackers > From the prior art department: compare with RFC 2026. I think the time for review is too short. It might be OK for people who are working full time on Gnome, but it won't be enough for people who have another job. It's possible that somebody who isn't directly involved in Gnome would want to review the proposal (because somebody who is involved asked him/her to, for example), but it might be impossible on such schedule. Furteher, if the RFP author thinks the reviewing period should be longer, then it should be longer. So I propose something like "the reviewing period will be determined by the RFP owner, but it shuld not be shorter than two weeks." That's for "fast-track approval, if no controversy" section. Other time constraints should also be at least two weeks. I don't see why several persons couldn't author an RFP. I don't know if that should be explicitely written. An objection to "A small group of relevant maintainers finalizes the RFP." It should be "A small group of interested parties." One doesn't have to be Gnome module maintainer in order to posess usefull technical knowledge about the problem in question. I don't particularly like the voting stuff. The general tone implies that conflicts are expected and that consensus will be an exception. But if you want to go with rules like that, then there should be no gray areas. For example, the "List of responsible maintainers" section ends with: "The board will resolve all disputes regarding the list of responsible maintainers." How is the board going to do that? On what schedule? The results of board decision will obviously be public. But is the board required to write a public explanation? And why voting in the first place? Shouldn't the board be able to reach a consensus on this issue? > Two example topics we might use for a test run of the procedure are > this -config issue, and the sound server/API issue. Hm. How about testing it on the "GNOME Enhancement Procedure" proposal itself? -- .-. .-. Are you crying? No, I'm bleeding. (_ \ / _) | dave@arsdigita.com | From jdub@waugh.id.au Thu Jun 1 09:21:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DE8B3B0213 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05226-06 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C82713B017F for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (unknown [203.217.18.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FD9E3CDE7; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 23:21:05 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DC9CF40B4; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 23:20:52 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 23:20:52 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Message-ID: <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org, Ross Golder References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> Reply-By: Sun Jun 4 23:19:02 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.15-23-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 23:19:02 up 3:11, 5 users, load average: 0.04, 0.28, 0.83 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 09:43:00 -0400 Cc: Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 13:21:10 -0000 > As the various show-stoppers that prevented our previously scheduled > migration from going ahead have now been resolved, I am proposing that the > new migration go ahead at 23:59UTC on Friday 16th June 2006. Please let us > know a.s.a.p if that will be inconvenient for anyone. Ross, Can I suggest that we do the migration after GUADEC? I think it would be more useful for us to have reliable and known access to CVS through the week than be dealing with post-migration woes (as clean as it will be, there will be some hassles for everyone). Thanks, - Jeff -- GUADEC 2006: Vilanova i la Geltrú, Spain http://2006.guadec.org/ "So I'll have to talk about what I know instead. If you are so inclined, you may infer that I am totally oblivious to anything I don't talk about today." - Larry Wall From jdub@waugh.id.au Thu Jun 1 10:14:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18D383B0134 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10107-04 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90E843B00F7 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB9B13C310; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:14:53 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D695840B4; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:14:50 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:14:50 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Germ=E1n_Po=F3_Caama=F1o?= Message-ID: <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Germ=E1n_Po=F3_Caama=F1o?= , gnome-hackers@gnome.org References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.15-23-686 i686 Reply-By: Mon Jun 5 00:14:22 EST 2006 X-Uptime: 00:14:22 up 6 min, 5 users, load average: 0.26, 0.52, 0.31 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.445 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.019, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.445 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 14:14:56 -0000 > > Can I suggest that we do the migration after GUADEC? I think it would be > > more useful for us to have reliable and known access to CVS through the > > week than be dealing with post-migration woes (as clean as it will be, > > there will be some hassles for everyone). > > But also, GUADEC offers a good chance to get solved all those issues > quickly. Pretty sure we'd all rather be doing useful things than cleaning up, though! > May be a sort of 'Quick tour from CVS to SVN: tips and tricks' may be > given at GUADEC. We should do that anyway. :-) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "Well, you know us usability folks... We like to believe that the two aren't mutually exclusive." - Calum Benson on power and cleanliness From gpoo@ubiobio.cl Thu Jun 1 09:53:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBABC3B0D94 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:53:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08135-07 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:53:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ubiobio.cl (atlas.dci.ubiobio.cl [146.83.195.21]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 195D33B0D40 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:53:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by forward.ubiobio.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E689400325; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:51:57 -0400 (CLT) Received: from pegasus.dci.ubiobio.cl ([146.83.195.11]) by localhost (antivirus.dci.ubiobio.cl [146.83.195.21]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08131-81; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:51:56 -0400 (CLT) Received: from mimos.local (unknown [146.83.198.86]) by pegasus.dci.ubiobio.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B6542804423; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:53:25 -0400 (CLT) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Germ=E1n_Po=F3_Caama=F1o?= To: Jeff Waugh In-Reply-To: <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 09:53:30 -0400 Message-Id: <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at ubiobio.cl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.406 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.058, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.406 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:29:49 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 13:53:36 -0000 On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 23:20 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > As the various show-stoppers that prevented our previously scheduled > > migration from going ahead have now been resolved, I am proposing that the > > new migration go ahead at 23:59UTC on Friday 16th June 2006. Please let us > > know a.s.a.p if that will be inconvenient for anyone. > > Ross, > > Can I suggest that we do the migration after GUADEC? I think it would be > more useful for us to have reliable and known access to CVS through the week > than be dealing with post-migration woes (as clean as it will be, there will > be some hassles for everyone). But also, GUADEC offers a good chance to get solved all those issues quickly. May be a sort of 'Quick tour from CVS to SVN: tips and tricks' may be given at GUADEC. -- Germán Poó-Caamaño http://www.ubiobio.cl/~gpoo/ Concepción - Chile From carlos@gnome.org Thu Jun 1 10:22:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23DAA3B009D for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10509-10 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gandalf.pemas.net (wpc1544.amenworld.com [62.193.229.92]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94E4E3B023E for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gandalf.pemas.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B599117403B; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:21:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from gandalf.pemas.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (gandalf.pemas.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03329-09; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:21:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from aragorn.pemas.net (13.Red-88-15-198.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net [88.15.198.13]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gandalf.pemas.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1375E174009; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:21:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: by aragorn.pemas.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DD0EE2B08AF; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:22:39 +0200 (CEST) From: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= To: Jeff Waugh In-Reply-To: <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Organization: GNOME Foundation Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 16:22:39 +0200 Message-Id: <1149171759.5308.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at gandalf.pemas.net X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.387 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.387 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:29:49 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 14:22:53 -0000 El vie, 02-06-2006 a las 00:14 +1000, Jeff Waugh escribi=C3=B3: > >=20 > > > Can I suggest that we do the migration after GUADEC? I think it would= be > > > more useful for us to have reliable and known access to CVS through t= he > > > week than be dealing with post-migration woes (as clean as it will be= , > > > there will be some hassles for everyone). > >=20 > > But also, GUADEC offers a good chance to get solved all those issues > > quickly. >=20 > Pretty sure we'd all rather be doing useful things than cleaning up, thou= gh! >=20 > > May be a sort of 'Quick tour from CVS to SVN: tips and tricks' may be > > given at GUADEC. >=20 > We should do that anyway. :-) I should also point that this migration will break l10n-status.gnome.org, it only knows about cvs atm. Danilo is working on a cool new system that would be able to handle SVN, but I don't know if it would be ready at that time. Anyway, porting current sytem to use svn shouldn't be too difficult, but I would like to know if there is any public SVN server where we could test it. Cheers. >=20 > - Jeff From miguel@ximian.com Thu Jun 1 10:23:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA9B43B00F7 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10681-08 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from linux.site (c-24-218-111-14.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.218.111.14]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3312A3B024F for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:23:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by linux.site (Postfix, from userid 500) id 35AB56AE07; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:22:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Miguel de Icaza To: Jeff Waugh In-Reply-To: <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:22:02 -0400 Message-Id: <1149171722.12303.661.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.709 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.291, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=2.046] X-Spam-Score: -0.709 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:29:49 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 14:23:32 -0000 Hello, > > May be a sort of 'Quick tour from CVS to SVN: tips and tricks' may be > > given at GUADEC. We produced one when we did our own migration, and we updated it as the FAQs came in, feel free to borrow, cut and paste: http://www.mono-project.com/SVN#Using_SVN Miguel. From gpoo@ubiobio.cl Thu Jun 1 10:54:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F74F3B022E; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13499-06; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ubiobio.cl (atlas.dci.ubiobio.cl [146.83.195.21]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 741FD3B00F7; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by forward.ubiobio.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D0AE400324; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:53:12 -0400 (CLT) Received: from pegasus.dci.ubiobio.cl ([146.83.195.11]) by localhost (antivirus.dci.ubiobio.cl [146.83.195.21]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23025-25; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:53:09 -0400 (CLT) Received: from mimos.local (unknown [146.83.198.86]) by pegasus.dci.ubiobio.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E1712804424; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:54:39 -0400 (CLT) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Germ=E1n_Po=F3_Caama=F1o?= To: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= In-Reply-To: <1149171759.5308.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> <1149171759.5308.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:54:43 -0400 Message-Id: <1149173683.15278.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at ubiobio.cl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.369 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.018, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.369 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 11:10:12 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 14:54:45 -0000 On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 16:22 +0200, Carlos Perelló Marín wrote: > El vie, 02-06-2006 a las 00:14 +1000, Jeff Waugh escribió: > > > > > > > > Can I suggest that we do the migration after GUADEC? I think it would be > > > > more useful for us to have reliable and known access to CVS through the > > > > week than be dealing with post-migration woes (as clean as it will be, > > > > there will be some hassles for everyone). > > > > > > But also, GUADEC offers a good chance to get solved all those issues > > > quickly. > > > > Pretty sure we'd all rather be doing useful things than cleaning up, though! > > > > > May be a sort of 'Quick tour from CVS to SVN: tips and tricks' may be > > > given at GUADEC. > > > > We should do that anyway. :-) > > I should also point that this migration will break > l10n-status.gnome.org, it only knows about cvs atm. Good point. > Danilo is working on a cool new system that would be able to handle SVN, > but I don't know if it would be ready at that time. Anyway, porting > current sytem to use svn shouldn't be too difficult, but I would like to > know if there is any public SVN server where we could test it. http://svn.gnome.org/svn/[modulename] More information in http://live.gnome.org/Subversion Regards, -- Germán Poó-Caamaño http://www.ubiobio.cl/~gpoo/ Concepción - Chile From gpoo@ubiobio.cl Thu Jun 1 11:04:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F40DD3B02BC for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14377-04 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ubiobio.cl (atlas.dci.ubiobio.cl [146.83.195.21]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 964473B0262 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by forward.ubiobio.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 950E8400097; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:03:11 -0400 (CLT) Received: from pegasus.dci.ubiobio.cl ([146.83.195.11]) by localhost (antivirus.dci.ubiobio.cl [146.83.195.21]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23025-41; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:03:10 -0400 (CLT) Received: from mimos.local (unknown [146.83.198.86]) by pegasus.dci.ubiobio.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1DAF2804423; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:04:36 -0400 (CLT) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Germ=E1n_Po=F3_Caama=F1o?= To: Miguel de Icaza In-Reply-To: <1149171722.12303.661.camel@linux.site> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> <1149171722.12303.661.camel@linux.site> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 11:04:40 -0400 Message-Id: <1149174280.15278.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at ubiobio.cl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.408 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.056, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.408 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 11:10:12 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 15:04:54 -0000 On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 10:22 -0400, Miguel de Icaza wrote: > Hello, > > > > May be a sort of 'Quick tour from CVS to SVN: tips and tricks' may be > > > given at GUADEC. > > We produced one when we did our own migration, and we updated it as the > FAQs came in, feel free to borrow, cut and paste: > > http://www.mono-project.com/SVN#Using_SVN There is something similar in http://developer.gnome.org/tools/svn.html I don't think there will be any issue with normal uses cases (but you never know). I was thinking more on "what's new" or "being more productive", some exciting useful feature that is a pain or not possible using cvs. -- Germán Poó-Caamaño http://www.ubiobio.cl/~gpoo/ Concepción - Chile From davyd@madeley.id.au Thu Jun 1 11:22:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE1F3B0DEF for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15950-01 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:22:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oracle.bridgewayconsulting.com.au (oracle.bridgewayconsulting.com.au [203.56.14.38]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1C823B0DF2 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frobisher.local (cugglephone.madeley.id.au [203.56.15.217]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by oracle.bridgewayconsulting.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21C682E8004 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 23:21:11 +0800 (WST) From: Davyd Madeley To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 23:21:09 +0800 Message-Id: <1149175269.6871.61.camel@frobisher.madeley.id.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.479 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.015, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.479 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 11:52:22 -0400 Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 15:22:39 -0000 On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 00:14 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > May be a sort of 'Quick tour from CVS to SVN: tips and tricks' may be > > given at GUADEC. > > We should do that anyway. :-) I have offered to do something like this at GUADEC during some non-core time on IRC. I now offer here. --d -- Davyd Madeley http://www.davyd.id.au/ 08B0 341A 0B9B 08BB 2118 C060 2EDD BB4F 5191 6CDA From gpoo@ubiobio.cl Thu Jun 1 12:45:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C36703B0104 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21522-03 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ubiobio.cl (atlas.dci.ubiobio.cl [146.83.195.21]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C15C43B0EA2 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by forward.ubiobio.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 322184000BC; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:43:08 -0400 (CLT) Received: from pegasus.dci.ubiobio.cl ([146.83.195.11]) by localhost (antivirus.dci.ubiobio.cl [146.83.195.21]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06437-24; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:43:07 -0400 (CLT) Received: from mimos.local (unknown [146.83.198.86]) by pegasus.dci.ubiobio.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49FA92804423; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:44:36 -0400 (CLT) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Germ=E1n_Po=F3_Caama=F1o?= To: Davyd Madeley In-Reply-To: <1149175269.6871.61.camel@frobisher.madeley.id.au> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> <1149175269.6871.61.camel@frobisher.madeley.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 12:44:40 -0400 Message-Id: <1149180281.15278.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at ubiobio.cl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.41 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.054, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.41 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 16:45:07 -0000 On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 23:21 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote: > On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 00:14 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > May be a sort of 'Quick tour from CVS to SVN: tips and tricks' may be > > > given at GUADEC. > > > > We should do that anyway. :-) > > I have offered to do something like this at GUADEC during some non-core > time on IRC. I now offer here. IMO, the way to go is looking for a free space in the schedule an ask to the person in charge to be included there. http://guadec.org/GUADEC2006/schedule/WUW http://guadec.org/GUADEC2006/schedule/AHW http://guadec.org/GUADEC2006/schedule And advertise it. -- Germán Poó-Caamaño http://www.ubiobio.cl/~gpoo/ Concepción - Chile From ross@golder.org Fri Jun 2 09:59:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44C613B0480 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:59:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30672-06 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown [125.25.17.26]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7067E3B0468 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 500) id 80BC09FC5E; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:59:23 +0700 (ICT) From: Ross Golder To: Jeff Waugh In-Reply-To: <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 20:59:23 +0700 Message-Id: <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 13:59:42 -0000 On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 23:20 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > As the various show-stoppers that prevented our previously scheduled > > migration from going ahead have now been resolved, I am proposing that the > > new migration go ahead at 23:59UTC on Friday 16th June 2006. Please let us > > know a.s.a.p if that will be inconvenient for anyone. > > Ross, > > Can I suggest that we do the migration after GUADEC? I think it would be > more useful for us to have reliable and known access to CVS through the week > than be dealing with post-migration woes (as clean as it will be, there will > be some hassles for everyone). > > Thanks, > > - Jeff > How about this - I'll run another test migration on the 23rd, but won't actually make the switch. At least then, if anyone at GUADEC wants to play with or demonstrate anything related to subversion, at least they will get fairly up-to-date code. So, looking at the release schedule, it looks like the next best date would be July 14th. How would that be? -- Ross From jdub@waugh.id.au Fri Jun 2 10:09:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9CCF3B048D for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31323-03 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 380433B0487 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 516F13D869; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:09:24 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9C62A3F98; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:09:20 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:09:20 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: Ross Golder Message-ID: <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: Ross Golder , gnome-hackers@gnome.org References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> Reply-By: Tue Jun 6 00:08:39 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.15-23-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 00:08:39 up 1 day, 0 min, 7 users, load average: 0.08, 0.07, 0.13 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.446 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.018, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.446 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 14:09:26 -0000 > How about this - I'll run another test migration on the 23rd, but won't > actually make the switch. At least then, if anyone at GUADEC wants to play > with or demonstrate anything related to subversion, at least they will get > fairly up-to-date code. Awesome - good call. > So, looking at the release schedule, it looks like the next best date > would be July 14th. How would that be? Hrm, puts it out a bit, hey? I'm happy with that, though, if it's the first available time. Thanks! - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ From ross@golder.org Fri Jun 2 10:42:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 842F53B1178 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:42:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00864-04 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown [125.25.17.26]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEF933B1157 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 500) id 993B69FC5E; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:42:04 +0700 (ICT) From: Ross Golder To: Jeff Waugh In-Reply-To: <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:42:04 +0700 Message-Id: <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 14:42:23 -0000 On Sat, 2006-06-03 at 00:09 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > How about this - I'll run another test migration on the 23rd, but won't > > actually make the switch. At least then, if anyone at GUADEC wants to play > > with or demonstrate anything related to subversion, at least they will get > > fairly up-to-date code. > > Awesome - good call. > > > So, looking at the release schedule, it looks like the next best date > > would be July 14th. How would that be? > > Hrm, puts it out a bit, hey? I'm happy with that, though, if it's the first > available time. > I can do it sooner if there's a demand for it. I'd certainly be happier once it's done and dusted. For me, the 30th June would be good, but it seemed too soon after GUADEC - perhaps people will still have work in their CVS w/d left to commit? The 7th July falls before a couple of tarball deadlines, so might be inconvenient for maintainers if their module takes a while to migrate. The 16th July seems best, because there's not much else going on. I'm open to suggestions. It doesn't necessarily have to be done over a weekend either. -- Ross > Thanks! > > - Jeff > From murrayc@murrayc.com Fri Jun 2 14:22:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE9BB3B034B for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14259-01 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from swarthymail-a4.dreamhost.com (ip-208-97-132-53.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.53]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 377D93B0283 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from noname (p5497F668.dip.t-dialin.net [84.151.246.104]) by swarthymail-a4.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83F0D129A83; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:22:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Murray Cumming To: Ross Golder In-Reply-To: <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 20:22:43 +0200 Message-Id: <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.469 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.053, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.469 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 15:12:13 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 18:22:52 -0000 On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 21:42 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > On Sat, 2006-06-03 at 00:09 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > > > > How about this - I'll run another test migration on the 23rd, but won't > > > actually make the switch. At least then, if anyone at GUADEC wants to play > > > with or demonstrate anything related to subversion, at least they will get > > > fairly up-to-date code. > > > > Awesome - good call. > > > > > So, looking at the release schedule, it looks like the next best date > > > would be July 14th. How would that be? > > > > Hrm, puts it out a bit, hey? I'm happy with that, though, if it's the first > > available time. > > > > I can do it sooner if there's a demand for it. I'd certainly be happier > once it's done and dusted. > > For me, the 30th June would be good, but it seemed too soon after GUADEC > - perhaps people will still have work in their CVS w/d left to commit? > The 7th July falls before a couple of tarball deadlines, so might be > inconvenient for maintainers if their module takes a while to migrate. > The 16th July seems best, because there's not much else going on. > > I'm open to suggestions. It doesn't necessarily have to be done over a > weekend either. Probably there's a document somewhere, but do we have some official advice for how to branch when we are using svn, and will the old cvs branches be morphed into that system? As far as I understand, svn branches of modules are copies of that module in any old directory that you like (with svn presumably maintaining some link between the copies). I guess at the least we need to create the branches/gnome-2-*/ or similar directories early, and tell people to put their branches in their. Please excuse my ignorance on this. -- Murray Cumming murrayc@murrayc.com www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com From joeshaw@novell.com Mon Jun 5 11:36:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42E8C3B059A for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10485-06 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [130.57.169.10]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CC343B022A for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14585 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2006 15:36:40 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO posthaste.boston.ximian.com) (joe@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Jun 2006 15:36:40 -0000 From: Joe Shaw To: Murray Cumming In-Reply-To: <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 11:36:38 -0400 Message-Id: <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.439 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.117, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.439 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 11:41:15 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 15:36:47 -0000 Hi, On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 20:22 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > I guess at the least we need to create the branches/gnome-2-*/ or > similar directories early, and tell people to put their branches in > their. With svn we definitely have a lot more freedom in how we set up our branches and tags. So I think we should immediately limit that freedom by coming up with some conventions. :) I propose the following: Assuming we have some project on the trunk with the URL like so: http://svn.gnome.org/trunk/project Tags, I believe, should be in per-project directories, like so: http://svn.gnome.org/tags/project/PROJECT_1_0_0/project We don't have to keep using the "PROJECT_1_0_0" convention for tags with svn, but I think we probably should for compatibility and predictability. Likewise, we should do similarly for per-project branches: http://svn.gnome.org/branches/project/project-1-0-branch/project But for GNOME-wide branches, we should use the higher-level directory: http://svn.gnome.org/branches/gnome-2-16/project (For these, though, we should probably migrate them to the more aesthetic and correct "gnome-2.16" name, since there are fewer and they are easy to predict programmatically.) Joe From johan@gnome.org Mon Jun 5 11:52:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E30F3B04F6 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:52:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11615-01 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frodo.hserus.net (frodo.hserus.net [204.74.68.40]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9647B3B03E1 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br ([200.171.140.32]:39578 helo=anthem.async.com.br) by frodo.hserus.net with esmtps (Cipher TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.62 #0) id 1FnHNR-000EMq-Qn; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:22:27 +0530 Received: from [192.168.99.10] (jdahlin@walrus.async.com.br [192.168.99.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by anthem.async.com.br (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3ubuntu0.1) with ESMTP id k55FqLrT008207; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 12:52:21 -0300 Message-ID: <4484532B.4070109@gnome.org> Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 12:52:11 -0300 From: Johan Dahlin User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060420) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Shaw References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> In-Reply-To: <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.417 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.047, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.417 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 11:56:28 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 15:52:33 -0000 [..] > http://svn.gnome.org/trunk/project [..] > http://svn.gnome.org/tags/project/PROJECT_1_0_0/project [..] > http://svn.gnome.org/branches/project/project-1-0-branch/project [..] > http://svn.gnome.org/branches/gnome-2-16/project [..] All of these urls assumes that there will only be one repository for all the modules/projects. It is not possible to branch between repositories. It seems like (judging by the revision numbers found on svn.gnome.org) that it is currently done by having one repository per module/project. I'm in favor of having one big repository, which would allow this kind of aliasing. The main disadvantage is the big revision numbers (6 or 7 digits). Johan From james.henstridge@gmail.com Tue Jun 6 00:26:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 367133B0098 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 00:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21950-04 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 00:25:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.195]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E33FE3B009B for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 00:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id h29so870756wxd for ; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:25:49 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=jouzeSD7aYq1sBUoDqmIXp4hixDLwkL95R3LSv5zhNd/3K6+AB/qHGdtunntMG61kzdxRjyxxs/gzGvQ7Fd28AwyvyCrWvOu+OqE0SztW6n31CBdqui9bSmqFjOAYSwn0LaXA7a81KhM5KQXWhiQ1VOaS/FE0mxYpWTdnsIuz9Q= Received: by 10.70.44.17 with SMTP id r17mr7000311wxr; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:25:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.60.15 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 21:25:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:25:49 +0800 From: "James Henstridge" Sender: james.henstridge@gmail.com To: "Joe Shaw" In-Reply-To: <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: bfa39d2be695be2a X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.561 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.561 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 00:40:52 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 04:26:23 -0000 On 05/06/06, Joe Shaw wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 20:22 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > > I guess at the least we need to create the branches/gnome-2-*/ or > > similar directories early, and tell people to put their branches in > > their. > > With svn we definitely have a lot more freedom in how we set up our > branches and tags. So I think we should immediately limit that freedom > by coming up with some conventions. :) I propose the following: > > Assuming we have some project on the trunk with the URL like so: > > http://svn.gnome.org/trunk/project > > Tags, I believe, should be in per-project directories, like so: > > http://svn.gnome.org/tags/project/PROJECT_1_0_0/project > > We don't have to keep using the "PROJECT_1_0_0" convention for tags with > svn, but I think we probably should for compatibility and > predictability. > > Likewise, we should do similarly for per-project branches: > > http://svn.gnome.org/branches/project/project-1-0-branch/project > > But for GNOME-wide branches, we should use the higher-level directory: > > http://svn.gnome.org/branches/gnome-2-16/project > > (For these, though, we should probably migrate them to the more > aesthetic and correct "gnome-2.16" name, since there are fewer and they > are easy to predict programmatically.) The suggested layout for multi-module repositories from the Subversion book is actually: ./$project/trunk <- the mainline for development ./$project/branches/$branchname <- a branch of the project ./$project/tags/$tagname <- a tag of the project For cases where there is only a single module in the repository, they recommend leaving of the "$project/" bit at the start of the paths. What benefits does your layout give over the recommended layout? It looks like it would add complexity without making things easier to understand. James. From thomas@apestaart.org Tue Jun 6 06:04:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABA3E3B0750; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 06:04:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04145-08; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 06:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.es6.egwn.net (server02.es6.egwn.net [195.10.6.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BEAF3B014E; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 06:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.fr4.egwn.net (server07.fr4.egwn.net [62.39.85.77]) by mx1.es6.egwn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5F0C4F82E2; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:04:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.fr4.egwn.net (spiffy mail daemon) with ESMTP id 0D94183BE7; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:04:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mx1.fr4.egwn.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (server07.fr4.egwn.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16922-12; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:03:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from thread.fluendo.lan (core.fluendo.com [195.10.6.237]) by mx1.fr4.egwn.net (spiffy mail daemon) with ESMTP id C559583BE4; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:03:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from thomas.fluendo.lan (thomas.fluendo.lan [192.168.1.10]) by thread.fluendo.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EF06FFDB; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:03:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Thomas Vander Stichele To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 12:03:19 +0200 Message-Id: <1149588200.24971.3.camel@otto.amantes> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 (2.6.1-1.fc5.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned: By amavis at egwn.net X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.626 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.070, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, RCVD_IN_SBL=3.16] X-Spam-Score: 0.626 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 06:51:14 -0400 Cc: gnome-announce-list@gnome.org, devel-announce-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 10:04:10 -0000 On Tue, 2006-05-30 at 13:41 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > Hi, > > As the various show-stoppers that prevented our previously scheduled > migration from going ahead have now been resolved, I am proposing that > the new migration go ahead at 23:59UTC on Friday 16th June 2006. Please > let us know a.s.a.p if that will be inconvenient for anyone. It may be inconvenient for any hack sessions done at GUADEC if it leaves people with too little time to convert their laptop checkouts properly, or if anything goes wrong with the conversion. I don't know if that's important enough of a reason, but it'd be too bad if we'd be stifling the surge of activity at GUADEC. Thomas From joeshaw@novell.com Tue Jun 6 11:10:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CB523B08C7 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:10:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31679-07 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [130.57.169.10]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFC503B0229 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15534 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2006 15:10:02 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO posthaste.boston.ximian.com) (joe@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Jun 2006 15:10:02 -0000 From: Joe Shaw To: James Henstridge In-Reply-To: References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 11:10:01 -0400 Message-Id: <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.477 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.078, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.477 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 11:16:13 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 15:10:06 -0000 Hi, On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 12:25 +0800, James Henstridge wrote: > The suggested layout for multi-module repositories from the Subversion > book is actually: > > ./$project/trunk <- the mainline for development > ./$project/branches/$branchname <- a branch of the project > ./$project/tags/$tagname <- a tag of the project If we're using separate repos for each module, then my proposal doesn't really apply. Other than very high revision numbers and the ease of moving a project repository off of gnome.org to somewhere else later, what are the benefits of multiple repositories? > What benefits does your layout give over the recommended layout? It > looks like it would add complexity without making things easier to > understand. I don't really see any added complexity in there. It's essentially the system we have today with CVS. The main benefit is that you could check out the whole of gnome 2.N at once, rather than knowing what modules to check out and doing so one by one. For an automated tinderbox-like system, you could drop a single file at the root which lists the order in which to build the modules, and then you don't have to worry about *any* synchronization of the module list with tools outside of svn. Joe From jdub@waugh.id.au Tue Jun 6 11:30:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA40E3B0151 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:30:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00913-02 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 751413B028C for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1A943D251; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 01:30:50 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C3BB83F9C; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 01:30:44 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 01:30:44 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: Joe Shaw Message-ID: <20060606153044.GA5138@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: Joe Shaw , James Henstridge , gnome-hackers@gnome.org References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Reply-By: Sat Jun 10 01:29:40 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.15-23-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 01:29:40 up 5 days, 1:21, 10 users, load average: 0.25, 0.10, 0.10 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.447 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.447 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 15:30:58 -0000 > I don't really see any added complexity in there. It's essentially the > system we have today with CVS. Perhaps delaying this after GUADEC will provide another benefit: A good load of high social bandwidth discussion during GUADEC about how to go about it. :-) - Jeff -- GUADEC 2006: Vilanova i la Geltrú, Spain http://2006.guadec.org/ "I have a burning curiosity about everything, everything-- except country and western, of course." - David Bowie From rml@novell.com Tue Jun 6 11:52:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 267353B0225 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:52:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02354-08 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [130.57.169.10]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11A853B0AB0 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15604 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2006 15:52:06 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO betsy.boston.ximian.com) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Jun 2006 15:52:06 -0000 From: Robert Love To: Joe Shaw In-Reply-To: <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 11:52:21 -0400 Message-Id: <1149609141.31757.17.camel@betsy.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.482 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.083, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.482 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 12:21:54 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 15:52:11 -0000 On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 11:10 -0400, Joe Shaw wrote: > The main benefit is that you could check out the whole of gnome 2.N at > once, rather than knowing what modules to check out and doing so one by > one. For an automated tinderbox-like system, you could drop a single > file at the root which lists the order in which to build the modules, > and then you don't have to worry about *any* synchronization of the > module list with tools outside of svn. Building on this fabulous idea, we can snapshot and tag all of a GNOME release, too. All-modules-in-one-repo seems to be pretty much the norm. I'd die for that cause. Robert Love From james.henstridge@gmail.com Tue Jun 6 12:22:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAA393B014B for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:22:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04758-01 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.197]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AD5F3B0284 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:22:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so1455063wxd for ; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 09:22:42 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=q76PChRbDzmRBAOI+u2Qkyp38lWfCxt0EK9nkNtvnAQLDH6xu64Z6JGeo3zF+GabQ4nfE8u7NRwKbfTM+5OplZlzkXY2xMQGjVdvI9B+IgmZlcDguvt9bvmlZuroz7u+dbAdXlKBqOFJNheRCnzPjtPvBdldOtf5t3zgs7YRLIw= Received: by 10.70.14.9 with SMTP id 9mr7771150wxn; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 09:22:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.60.15 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 09:22:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 00:22:42 +0800 From: "James Henstridge" Sender: james.henstridge@gmail.com To: "Joe Shaw" In-Reply-To: <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3439076e4a7f8d61 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.588 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.012, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.588 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 13:21:18 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 16:22:47 -0000 On 06/06/06, Joe Shaw wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 12:25 +0800, James Henstridge wrote: > > The suggested layout for multi-module repositories from the Subversion > > book is actually: > > > > ./$project/trunk <- the mainline for development > > ./$project/branches/$branchname <- a branch of the project > > ./$project/tags/$tagname <- a tag of the project > > If we're using separate repos for each module, then my proposal doesn't > really apply. Other than very high revision numbers and the ease of > moving a project repository off of gnome.org to somewhere else later, > what are the benefits of multiple repositories? You'd have to ask Ross about why we're using multiple repositories. There definitely are benefits to hosting multiple projects within a single repo. Subversion doesn't really handle interactions between repositories so code in separate repos are quite isolated. It is also less effort to add a new module to a repo (compared with creating new Subversion repositories, which will probably require sysadmin intervention). On the other hand, multiple repositories probably scale better since there will be less lock contention. I'm not sure how much of a problem lock contention would be though. > > What benefits does your layout give over the recommended layout? It > > looks like it would add complexity without making things easier to > > understand. > > I don't really see any added complexity in there. It's essentially the > system we have today with CVS. Really? The layout described in the Subversion book seems like a closer analogue to what we do in CVS. > The main benefit is that you could check out the whole of gnome 2.N at > once, rather than knowing what modules to check out and doing so one by > one. For an automated tinderbox-like system, you could drop a single > file at the root which lists the order in which to build the modules, > and then you don't have to worry about *any* synchronization of the > module list with tools outside of svn. Who would be allowed to create branches in this repo-wide "gnome 2.N" branch directory? Only stuff that is part of desktop and developer platform? Everything that creates branches to target particular Gnome releases? It seems that checking out one of these repo-wide "gnome 2.N" directories would end up pulling either too many or too few modules for any particular use. It is also worth noting that there will always be important parts of the Gnome module stack that are outside of our Subversion repository. For example, the recent GTK printing work depended on new features in Cairo. With your system without maintaining an import of cairo into the Gnome Subversion repo, which would be a maintenance nightmare. James. From joeshaw@novell.com Tue Jun 6 12:52:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71DE13B0090 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06467-04 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [130.57.169.10]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 383C93B0197 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15669 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2006 16:52:16 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO posthaste.boston.ximian.com) (joe@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Jun 2006 16:52:16 -0000 From: Joe Shaw To: James Henstridge In-Reply-To: References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 12:52:15 -0400 Message-Id: <1149612735.3790.71.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.477 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.078, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.477 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 13:21:18 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 16:52:18 -0000 Hi, On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 00:22 +0800, James Henstridge wrote: > On 06/06/06, Joe Shaw wrote: > > I don't really see any added complexity in there. It's essentially the > > system we have today with CVS. > > Really? The layout described in the Subversion book seems like a > closer analogue to what we do in CVS. Are you referring to this? http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch04s07.html Assuming one large repo, the only difference between my proposal and the book's is that there is an extra directory level in the branches (or tags) directory for each project. That way one doesn't have to wade through every tag or branch name for every project. In that sense it's more like CVS now: tags and branches are private per module. For example: /repos/calc/branches/my-calc-branch would most likely in an equivalent single repo setup be: /repos/branches/my-calc-branch My proposal is: /repos/branches/calc/my-calc-branch That way, when you really want to see just the calc branches you can go to /repo/branches/calc and not also see all the "paint" branches. The one exception is for any repo-wide branches, like a GNOME release. > Who would be allowed to create branches in this repo-wide "gnome 2.N" > branch directory? Only stuff that is part of desktop and developer > platform? Everything that creates branches to target particular Gnome > releases? It could require a change in workflow, perhaps negatively. People would have to branch at release time, rather than delaying it until they're ready for unstable development. And checking into the branch and the trunk is a PITA. But it's probably something that warrants discussion. But to answer the question, I'd assume that module maintainers who branch now would simply copy their modules into the branch directory. Perhaps it could be done by someone on the release team at release-time. > It is also worth noting that there will always be important parts of > the Gnome module stack that are outside of our Subversion repository. > For example, the recent GTK printing work depended on new features in > Cairo. With your system without maintaining an import of cairo into > the Gnome Subversion repo, which would be a maintenance nightmare. True, but any automated build tool needs to handle out-of-tree dependencies anyway. Reducing the maintenance for our part somewhat is preferable to reducing it none, IMO. Joe From james.henstridge@gmail.com Tue Jun 6 22:46:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C81853B0072 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 22:46:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06342-06 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 22:46:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.202]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 616233B00E6 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 22:46:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so121062wxd for ; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 19:46:38 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YP+HN5cUgne/11IeotaSjwmb5U7n4Wx8Hn1qmTWFNOmZSguJiJ7ql1v6/iVM1D05QTPNfXOzZhtHXtC499OJjVSpU4gLHex7cu+p+ogh2yAwTlG5JpuRsLZrROwO5NQYsqvcvrXr1wC6H1ZhQEq1ZFILUR01V8uyliQGHZCgemo= Received: by 10.70.36.1 with SMTP id j1mr61175wxj; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 19:46:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.60.15 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 19:46:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:46:38 +0800 From: "James Henstridge" To: "Joe Shaw" In-Reply-To: <1149612735.3790.71.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <1149612735.3790.71.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.523 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_JH=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 03:36:55 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 02:46:42 -0000 On 07/06/06, Joe Shaw wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 00:22 +0800, James Henstridge wrote: > > On 06/06/06, Joe Shaw wrote: > > > I don't really see any added complexity in there. It's essentially the > > > system we have today with CVS. > > > > Really? The layout described in the Subversion book seems like a > > closer analogue to what we do in CVS. > > Are you referring to this? > > http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch04s07.html Yes. That page of the book also links to this page, which goes into a bit more detail: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch05s04.html > > Assuming one large repo, the only difference between my proposal and the > book's is that there is an extra directory level in the branches (or > tags) directory for each project. That way one doesn't have to wade > through every tag or branch name for every project. In that sense it's > more like CVS now: tags and branches are private per module. You are suggesting having toplevel trunk, branches and tags directories in the repository, while the book suggests having separate trunk, branches and tags directories under each project root in the repository. A lot of the differences between the suggested layout and your proposed layout seem to stem from trying to make that layout usable (e.g. keeping the branches directory manageable). > For example: > > /repos/calc/branches/my-calc-branch > > would most likely in an equivalent single repo setup be: > > /repos/branches/my-calc-branch > > My proposal is: > > /repos/branches/calc/my-calc-branch If "/repos" is the Subversion repository, then the book actually suggests you use: /repos/calc/branches/my-calc-branch (so everything related to "calc" is under a single directory in the repository). > > That way, when you really want to see just the calc branches you can go > to /repo/branches/calc and not also see all the "paint" branches. > > The one exception is for any repo-wide branches, like a GNOME release. I am not convinced that there are many benefits to storing the all Gnome 2.N branches under a separate directory. It would effectively hide them when browsing through the other branches of each individual module. > > Who would be allowed to create branches in this repo-wide "gnome 2.N" > > branch directory? Only stuff that is part of desktop and developer > > platform? Everything that creates branches to target particular Gnome > > releases? > > It could require a change in workflow, perhaps negatively. People would > have to branch at release time, rather than delaying it until they're > ready for unstable development. And checking into the branch and the > trunk is a PITA. But it's probably something that warrants discussion. > > But to answer the question, I'd assume that module maintainers who > branch now would simply copy their modules into the branch directory. > Perhaps it could be done by someone on the release team at release-time. > > > It is also worth noting that there will always be important parts of > > the Gnome module stack that are outside of our Subversion repository. > > For example, the recent GTK printing work depended on new features in > > Cairo. With your system without maintaining an import of cairo into > > the Gnome Subversion repo, which would be a maintenance nightmare. > > True, but any automated build tool needs to handle out-of-tree > dependencies anyway. Reducing the maintenance for our part somewhat is > preferable to reducing it none, IMO. Well, I plan to continue maintaining the Gnome module set definitions for jhbuild in Subversion, which is essentially the information you propose storing in the repo. It is fairly agnostic to the exact layout used in the repo, so wouldn't really benefit from a gnome release-wide branches subdirectory. James. From ross@golder.org Thu Jun 15 04:35:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 705033B03BD; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 04:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23205-02; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 04:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F7CF3B017A; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 04:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D2AD40AB; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:35:21 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xhk2B6x-5+T6; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:35:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from red (unknown [125.24.64.59]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70C123FE2; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:35:13 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) From: Ross Golder To: Johan Dahlin In-Reply-To: <4484532B.4070109@gnome.org> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <4484532B.4070109@gnome.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 15:34:36 +0700 Message-Id: <1150360476.7547.65.camel@red> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.471 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.128, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.471 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 08:35:25 -0000 On Mon, 2006-06-05 at 12:52 -0300, Johan Dahlin wrote: > [..] > > http://svn.gnome.org/trunk/project > [..] > > http://svn.gnome.org/tags/project/PROJECT_1_0_0/project > [..] > > http://svn.gnome.org/branches/project/project-1-0-branch/project > [..] > > http://svn.gnome.org/branches/gnome-2-16/project > [..] > > All of these urls assumes that there will only be one repository for all the > modules/projects. It is not possible to branch between repositories. > > It seems like (judging by the revision numbers found on svn.gnome.org) that > it is currently done by having one repository per module/project. > Indeed. One repository per module is the way I have been doing it. > I'm in favor of having one big repository, which would allow this kind of > aliasing. The main disadvantage is the big revision numbers (6 or 7 digits). > I can see there are plenty of good arguments for and against the three main approaches (single, multiple and mixed) described in the 'Choosing a Repository Layout' section of the manual . However, I still feel that the multiple repositories approach will work best for GNOME. I think being able to import/export and control (e.g. hook scripts, revision numbers, branches/tags etc) at a module level is the best approach. Eventually most monolithic things get broken down and modularised anyway, so IMHO we might as well start broken down (pretty much as we are now) and build up. The way the migration script works at the moment is that all modules will have a separate repository, with their own hook scripts etc. I particularly want this feature, so I can set up automatic e-mails for *only* commits on modules for which I am maintainer, without having to subscribe to the dirty great 'svn-commits-list'. Also, the migration script adds a call to a global shared hook-script, containing the 'svn-commits-list' hook among others. Also, it means projects can move to/from the GNOME subversion service more easily (without having to integrate/extract themselves from a monolithic repository). And, if one module gets corrupted or something, the whole repository doesn't become stalled. As for project-wide release tags (e.g. GNOME-2-14 etc), I can see that it's a tempting feature, but would it really give us a day-to-day advantage over individual repositories all using a common branch-name conversion to identify them? I'm imagining that a simple 'for...' loop for a given set of repositories would suffice in most cases. Also, historical project release branches/tags will probably be fragmented anyway where the different module maintainers haven't all used the same branching/tagging case and underscore/hyphen conventions. I'd be interested to hear the release team's view on whether a monolithic repo would really make their lives much easier. Anyway, if I'm way off the mark, and people really do think a monolithic repository (or even a mixed one, where we have a repository per group of packages) is the correct way forward, I'll happily cancel the upcoming migration again until someone can come up with a more suitable strategy :) Cheers, -- Ross > Johan > _______________________________________________ > gnome-hackers mailing list > gnome-hackers@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-hackers From vuntz@gnome.org Thu Jun 15 05:17:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DDF83B032F; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 05:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25231-04; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 05:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8D353B0270; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 05:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 33) id 05FEE112692; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:17:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 193.253.45.67 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vuntz) by vuntz.net with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:17:23 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <33333.193.253.45.67.1150363043.squirrel@vuntz.net> In-Reply-To: <1150360476.7547.65.camel@red> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <4484532B.4070109@gnome.org> <1150360476.7547.65.camel@red> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:17:23 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) From: "Vincent Untz" To: "Ross Golder" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.561 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.561 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:17:29 -0000 On Thu, June 15, 2006 10:34, Ross Golder wrote: > I'd be interested to hear the release team's view on whether a > monolithic repo would really make their lives much easier. My really humble opinion (since I'm no expert) is that I agree with you on nearly everything. The per-module hooks are a killer feature for me. Just my €0.02, since you asked for feedback ;-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From joeshaw@novell.com Thu Jun 15 12:26:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4681F3B0482 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 12:26:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22443-01 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 12:26:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [130.57.169.10]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA4413B0434 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 12:26:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 25036 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2006 16:25:53 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO posthaste.boston.ximian.com) (joe@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 Jun 2006 16:25:53 -0000 Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) From: Joe Shaw To: Ross Golder In-Reply-To: <1150360476.7547.65.camel@red> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <4484532B.4070109@gnome.org> <1150360476.7547.65.camel@red> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 12:25:53 -0400 Message-Id: <1150388753.19002.55.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.439 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.117, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, TW_JH=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.439 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:26:26 -0000 Hi, On Thu, 2006-06-15 at 15:34 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > Indeed. One repository per module is the way I have been doing it. Ok, I have no real strong opinion on it. One large repo is just what I'm more used to (Mono). > However, I still feel that the multiple repositories approach will work > best for GNOME. I trust your judgement. :) > As for project-wide release tags (e.g. GNOME-2-14 etc), I can see that > it's a tempting feature, but would it really give us a day-to-day > advantage over individual repositories all using a common branch-name > conversion to identify them? I guess people these days mainly use jhbuild for large GNOME builds, so maybe it's not remotely as interesting as I think it is. Is that what the tinderboxes are using? Maybe blessing jhbuild as "gnome-build" or whatever would put me more at ease. It just seems to me that our build processes are very ad-hoc. Maybe they're not documented well, maybe they work fine and don't need to be. I don't know, I am just rambling at this point. > Anyway, if I'm way off the mark, and people really do think a monolithic > repository (or even a mixed one, where we have a repository per group of > packages) is the correct way forward, I'll happily cancel the upcoming > migration again until someone can come up with a more suitable > strategy :) Oh please no. You're doing a great job and I am dying waiting for svn. Joe From jdub@waugh.id.au Thu Jun 15 14:07:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFF4E3B035A for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26251-08 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CA3D3B02DA for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B1C3C75B for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 04:07:12 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8B1B63F55; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 04:07:02 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 04:07:02 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) 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X-Uptime: 04:06:51 up 14 days, 3:58, 7 users, load average: 0.06, 0.05, 0.01 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.015, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:07:51 -0000 > Oh please no. You're doing a great job and I am dying waiting for svn. SAVE JOE SHAW! - Jeff -- GUADEC 2006: Vilanova i la Geltrú, Spain http://2006.guadec.org/ "Old timers will tell you what a pain unstable was during the new testament transition." - Jon Corbet on Debian's KJV packages From behdad.esfahbod@gmail.com Thu Jun 15 17:38:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFECA3B00DD for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:38:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01988-05 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.238]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E19AC3B0011 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 37so427824wra for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:38:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.108.13 with SMTP id g13mr2187733wrc; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:38:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.190.5? ( [72.136.156.47]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 6sm1544376wrl.2006.06.15.14.38.10; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:38:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Women's Summer Outreach Program 2006 From: Behdad Esfahbod To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org, foundation-list@gnome.org, foundation-announce@gnome.org, gnome-announce-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:38:06 -0400 Message-Id: <1150407487.29623.12.camel@home> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 (2.6.1-1.fc5.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: Behdad Esfahbod X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 00:52:22 -0400 X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 21:38:49 -0000 GNOME to Sponsor Female Developers in a Summer Outreach Program BOSTON, Mass - June 13, 2006 - The GNOME Foundation is offering USD$9000 to female students in order to promote the participation of women in GNOME-related development. The money originates from GNOME's participation in the Google "Summer of Code" program (code.google.com/soc/), for which GNOME developers will mentor 20 students working throughout the northern summer on GNOME-related projects. This year GNOME received 181 applications to Google's program, yet none were from women. The GNOME Foundation has therefore chosen to reinvest Google's contribution into a new program designed to increase the participation of women in GNOME. The program has no official relationship with Google. "Free software prides itself on being open to anyone with a good idea, yet less than 2% of free software developers are female. We, as a community, need to be actively working to change this statistic, and programs like this one are a much needed step in the right direction." said Hanna Wallach, a GNOME developer who is involved in several projects that encourage women to participate in free software development. The Women's Summer Outreach Program is currently accepting applications from female students. Accepted students will receive a stipend of USD $3000 over a two month period. A pool of project ideas is provided at www.gnome.org/projects/wsop/, though original proposals are also encouraged. Projects may either be related to GNOME directly, or indirectly via projects such as Gstreamer and Abiword. Each student will be assigned a mentor to provide guidance throughout the program. Vincent Untz, member of the GNOME Foundation board and coordinator of the GNOME team for Google's "Summer of Code" program, explained: "Many women have the skills required to contribute to Free Software projects like GNOME, but may not see an opportunity to start working with us. By initiating this program, not only do we want to highlight the issue, but we also hope that this opportunity will help more women to get involved in the long term." Applications should be submitted using the form at www.gnome.org/projects/wsop/. More information about the application process may be found at the same location. From spam@pvanhoof.be Mon Jun 19 05:20:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41F683B00C8 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:20:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01630-10 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.freax.org (mail.freax.org [86.39.154.66]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CAC83B008F for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.freax.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A482AE7978 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:14:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.freax.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.freax.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Grg-lfHk-2tw for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:14:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from lort.newtec.be (mailhost.newtec.be [62.58.98.194]) (using SSLv3 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.freax.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68EE1E7977 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:14:38 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off is Fri 14 July) From: Philip Van Hoof To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1150446423.17466.26.camel@red> References: <1150446423.17466.26.camel@red> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:19:06 +0200 Message-Id: <1150708746.5359.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.419 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.047, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.419 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 06:26:47 -0400 X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 09:20:17 -0000 On Fri, 2006-06-16 at 15:27 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > How about this - I'll run another test migration on the 23rd, but won't > > actually make the switch. At least then, if anyone at GUADEC wants to > > play with or demonstrate anything related to subversion, at least they > > will get fairly up-to-date code. Hey Ross, Thanks for taking care of the Subversion transition. In my opinion we certainly need an upgrade of our repository software. Subversion is a good choice. I'm wondering whether new projects that haven't yet been in the GNOME CVS repository can enter the new Subversion repository sooner? I'm also wondering whether it will be possible to handover the sysadmins the resulting dump file of a "svnadmin dump"? ps. I'm indeed planning to let the tinymail repository get hosted by the upcoming GNOME Subversion infrastructure. Thanks -- Philip Van Hoof, software developer at x-tend home: me at pvanhoof dot be gnome: pvanhoof at gnome dot org work: vanhoof at x-tend dot be http://www.pvanhoof.be - http://www.x-tend.be From ross@golder.org Mon Jun 19 10:05:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BEB13B0014 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14538-09 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:05:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0918D3B0017 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D69B4A91; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:38:58 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BA3l6Mx+TfZ4; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:38:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from [10.174.248.19] (unknown [203.170.228.172]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE1A340DD; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:38:44 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off is Fri 14 July) From: Ross Golder To: Philip Van Hoof In-Reply-To: <1150708746.5359.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1150446423.17466.26.camel@red> <1150708746.5359.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:37:53 +0700 Message-Id: <1150724273.9923.18.camel@red> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.536 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.505, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558] X-Spam-Score: -0.536 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:05:24 -0000 On Mon, 2006-06-19 at 11:19 +0200, Philip Van Hoof wrote: > On Fri, 2006-06-16 at 15:27 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > I'm wondering whether new projects that haven't yet been in the GNOME > CVS repository can enter the new Subversion repository sooner? I'm also > wondering whether it will be possible to handover the sysadmins the > resulting dump file of a "svnadmin dump"? > Sorry, no, we're not planning to support any Subversion services until the migration cut-off. The sysadmin team don't want to be in a position of having to support multiple version control systems simultaneously, there is a technical issue that means it wouldn't be straightforward to set up, and it'll make the live migration more confusing for me too! After the migration, it shouldn't be a problem to just send a compressed dump of your subversion repository to 'support@gnome.org' and we'll install it. Obviously, it'll have to follow the usual guidelines for new modules, as I'm sure yours do :) http://live.gnome.org/ProjectPrerequisites -- Ross From tere.ertw@gmail.com Mon Jun 26 21:12:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 556253B00FE for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27746-01 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.190]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 251643B00AB for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c29so990364nfb for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:12:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.144.19 with SMTP id r19mr5171174nfd; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:12:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.57.3 with HTTP; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:12:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8d3f24ab0606261812r7906d516i43fb3edaddf4c836@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:12:46 -0400 From: "Teresa Thomas" To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: HTTP handling MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_59458_14816789.1151370766217" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.874 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.759, BAYES_05=-1.11, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, HTML_00_10=0.795, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.874 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 10:05:29 -0400 X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 01:12:49 -0000 ------=_Part_59458_14816789.1151370766217 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I am making an Evolution plugin that enable it to synchrized with the Google calendar. As part of this, I will need to do some HTTP handling, create and send requests, receive and interpret responses etc. Does anyone know any libraries that can aid in doing this? I was looking in libgHTTP, but it does not have any helpful documentation. Would be grateful is anyone has any suggestions or more information on libgHTTP. Thanks! ------=_Part_59458_14816789.1151370766217 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I am making an Evolution plugin that enable it to synchrized with the Google calendar. As part of this, I will need to do some HTTP handling, create and send requests, receive and interpret responses etc.  Does anyone know any libraries that can aid in doing this?

I was looking in libgHTTP, but it does not have any helpful documentation. Would be grateful is anyone has any suggestions or more information on libgHTTP.

Thanks! ------=_Part_59458_14816789.1151370766217-- From james.henstridge@gmail.com Tue Jun 27 21:16:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C47D3B006D for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 21:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23438-06 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 21:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.194]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 903873B0002 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 21:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id s15so7262wxc for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:15:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.14.3 with SMTP id 3mr463202wxn; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.60.15 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 09:15:43 +0800 From: "James Henstridge" Sender: james.henstridge@gmail.com To: "Teresa Thomas" Subject: Re: HTTP handling In-Reply-To: <8d3f24ab0606261812r7906d516i43fb3edaddf4c836@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <8d3f24ab0606261812r7906d516i43fb3edaddf4c836@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1fcbc1542e59da0e X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.492 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.092, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.492 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 01:16:38 -0000 On 27/06/06, Teresa Thomas wrote: > I am making an Evolution plugin that enable it to synchrized with the Google > calendar. As part of this, I will need to do some HTTP handling, create and > send requests, receive and interpret responses etc. Does anyone know any > libraries that can aid in doing this? > > I was looking in libgHTTP, but it does not have any helpful documentation. > Would be grateful is anyone has any suggestions or more information on > libgHTTP. You should probably look at libsoup. It is already a dependency of Evolution and can integrate into the GTK event loop. James. From blizzard@redhat.com Wed Jun 28 14:38:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56F5A3B02CE for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:38:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27566-03 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:38:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6D213B0443 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5SIcMYO002458; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:38:22 -0400 Received: from pobox.corp.redhat.com (pobox.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.156]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5SIcHwp015222; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:38:17 -0400 Received: from [10.32.4.2] (vpn-4-2.stuttgart.redhat.com [10.32.4.2]) by pobox.corp.redhat.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k5SIcErt009469; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:38:15 -0400 Message-ID: <44A2CC66.1060408@redhat.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:37:26 -0400 From: Christopher Blizzard User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060613) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Henstridge Subject: Re: HTTP handling References: <8d3f24ab0606261812r7906d516i43fb3edaddf4c836@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.489 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.035, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_BG=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.489 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 03:00:44 -0400 Cc: Teresa Thomas , gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:38:25 -0000 James Henstridge wrote: > On 27/06/06, Teresa Thomas wrote: >> I am making an Evolution plugin that enable it to synchrized with the Google >> calendar. As part of this, I will need to do some HTTP handling, create and >> send requests, receive and interpret responses etc. Does anyone know any >> libraries that can aid in doing this? >> >> I was looking in libgHTTP, but it does not have any helpful documentation. >> Would be grateful is anyone has any suggestions or more information on >> libgHTTP. > > You should probably look at libsoup. It is already a dependency of > Evolution and can integrate into the GTK event loop. > Holy crap I wrote libghttp 10 years ago. Is it still in gnome-cvs? --Chris From qub333@gmail.com Thu Jun 29 12:17:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1D813B0198 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26273-02 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.177]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9B2A3B015A for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c30so284773pyc for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:17:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.20.14 with SMTP id x14mr1729106pyi; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:17:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.8.13 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:17:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <88d636060606290917p2c13063au799a399ce0821e2a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:17:01 -0400 From: kevin@kubasik.net Sender: qub333@gmail.com To: "Christopher Blizzard" Subject: Re: HTTP handling In-Reply-To: <44A2CC66.1060408@redhat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <8d3f24ab0606261812r7906d516i43fb3edaddf4c836@mail.gmail.com> <44A2CC66.1060408@redhat.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8858b1926ac684f4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.894 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.609, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, NO_REAL_NAME=0.961, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_BG=0.077, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -1.894 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:57:40 -0400 Cc: Teresa Thomas , gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:17:04 -0000 Hey, if libghttp is deprecisted, let the gnome sysadmin team know before the svn migration so it can be added to the list of "obsolete" modules. -Kevin Kubasik On 6/28/06, Christopher Blizzard wrote: > James Henstridge wrote: > > On 27/06/06, Teresa Thomas wrote: > >> I am making an Evolution plugin that enable it to synchrized with the > Google > >> calendar. As part of this, I will need to do some HTTP handling, create > and > >> send requests, receive and interpret responses etc. Does anyone know any > >> libraries that can aid in doing this? > >> > >> I was looking in libgHTTP, but it does not have any helpful > documentation. > >> Would be grateful is anyone has any suggestions or more information on > >> libgHTTP. > > > > You should probably look at libsoup. It is already a dependency of > > Evolution and can integrate into the GTK event loop. > > > > Holy crap I wrote libghttp 10 years ago. Is it still in gnome-cvs? > > --Chris > _______________________________________________ > gnome-hackers mailing list > gnome-hackers@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-hackers > -- Cheers, Kevin Kubasik http://kubasik.net/blog From blizzard@redhat.com Thu Jun 29 13:17:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25E0C3B00F5 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29605-10 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:17:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 236D43B007D for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:17:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5THHOBi026138; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:17:24 -0400 Received: from pobox.corp.redhat.com (pobox.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.156]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5THHOOL017821; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:17:24 -0400 Received: from [10.32.4.26] (vpn-4-26.stuttgart.redhat.com [10.32.4.26]) by pobox.corp.redhat.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k5THHNrt002155; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:17:23 -0400 Message-ID: <44A40B19.6050908@redhat.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:17:13 -0400 From: Christopher Blizzard User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060613) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kevin@kubasik.net Subject: Re: HTTP handling References: <8d3f24ab0606261812r7906d516i43fb3edaddf4c836@mail.gmail.com> <44A2CC66.1060408@redhat.com> <88d636060606290917p2c13063au799a399ce0821e2a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <88d636060606290917p2c13063au799a399ce0821e2a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.455 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.008, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_BG=0.077, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.455 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:57:40 -0400 Cc: Teresa Thomas , gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:17:27 -0000 Probably should be. How do I contact them? --Chris kevin@kubasik.net wrote: > Hey, if libghttp is deprecisted, let the gnome sysadmin team know > before the svn migration so it can be added to the list of "obsolete" > modules. > > -Kevin Kubasik > > On 6/28/06, Christopher Blizzard wrote: >> James Henstridge wrote: >> > On 27/06/06, Teresa Thomas wrote: >> >> I am making an Evolution plugin that enable it to synchrized with the >> Google >> >> calendar. As part of this, I will need to do some HTTP handling, >> create >> and >> >> send requests, receive and interpret responses etc. Does anyone >> know any >> >> libraries that can aid in doing this? >> >> >> >> I was looking in libgHTTP, but it does not have any helpful >> documentation. >> >> Would be grateful is anyone has any suggestions or more information on >> >> libgHTTP. >> > >> > You should probably look at libsoup. It is already a dependency of >> > Evolution and can integrate into the GTK event loop. >> > >> >> Holy crap I wrote libghttp 10 years ago. Is it still in gnome-cvs? >> >> --Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> gnome-hackers mailing list >> gnome-hackers@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-hackers >> > > From kmaraas@broadpark.no Thu Jun 29 17:26:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60C813B02AB for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09576-09 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osl1smout1.broadpark.no (osl1smout1.broadpark.no [80.202.4.58]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D64FF3B02A2 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osl1sminn1.broadpark.no ([80.202.4.59]) by osl1smout1.broadpark.no (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.05 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J1N003O94W9B480@osl1smout1.broadpark.no> for gnome-hackers@gnome.org; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 23:26:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.0.0.76] ([84.48.76.97]) by osl1sminn1.broadpark.no (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.05 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J1N005IR4W9FD80@osl1sminn1.broadpark.no> for gnome-hackers@gnome.org; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 23:26:33 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 23:26:33 +0200 From: Kjartan Maraas Subject: Re: HTTP handling In-reply-to: <44A40B19.6050908@redhat.com> To: Christopher Blizzard Message-id: <1151616393.2825.3.camel@rivendell> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.3 (2.7.3-5) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <8d3f24ab0606261812r7906d516i43fb3edaddf4c836@mail.gmail.com> <44A2CC66.1060408@redhat.com> <88d636060606290917p2c13063au799a399ce0821e2a@mail.gmail.com> <44A40B19.6050908@redhat.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.905 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.540, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_BG=0.077, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -1.905 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 18:03:45 -0400 Cc: Teresa Thomas , gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:26:40 -0000 tor, 29,.06.2006 kl. 13.17 -0400, skrev Christopher Blizzard: > Probably should be. How do I contact them? > I think it was moved to the retirement home last time we cleaned house. Maybe the developer site is still referencing it somewhere? /me googles d.g.o...there's a gnome-http folder there in viewcvs, but it looks empty. Maybe we need to remove the empty folder as well? Cheers Kjartan > --Chris > > kevin@kubasik.net wrote: > > Hey, if libghttp is deprecisted, let the gnome sysadmin team know > > before the svn migration so it can be added to the list of "obsolete" > > modules. > > > > -Kevin Kubasik > > > > On 6/28/06, Christopher Blizzard wrote: > >> James Henstridge wrote: > >> > On 27/06/06, Teresa Thomas wrote: > >> >> I am making an Evolution plugin that enable it to synchrized with the > >> Google > >> >> calendar. As part of this, I will need to do some HTTP handling, > >> create > >> and > >> >> send requests, receive and interpret responses etc. Does anyone > >> know any > >> >> libraries that can aid in doing this? > >> >> > >> >> I was looking in libgHTTP, but it does not have any helpful > >> documentation. > >> >> Would be grateful is anyone has any suggestions or more information on > >> >> libgHTTP. > >> > > >> > You should probably look at libsoup. It is already a dependency of > >> > Evolution and can integrate into the GTK event loop. > >> > > >> > >> Holy crap I wrote libghttp 10 years ago. Is it still in gnome-cvs? > >> > >> --Chris > >> _______________________________________________ > >> gnome-hackers mailing list > >> gnome-hackers@gnome.org > >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-hackers > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-hackers mailing list > gnome-hackers@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-hackers From blizzard@redhat.com Thu Jun 29 21:10:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EB253B000D for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:10:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18454-04 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A0873B006A for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5U1AIhK003119; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:10:18 -0400 Received: from pobox.corp.redhat.com (pobox.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.156]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5U1AI82018694; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:10:18 -0400 Received: from [10.32.4.7] (vpn-4-7.stuttgart.redhat.com [10.32.4.7]) by pobox.corp.redhat.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k5U1AFQW022923; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:10:16 -0400 Message-ID: <44A479E5.8030706@redhat.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:09:57 -0400 From: Christopher Blizzard User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060613) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kjartan Maraas Subject: Re: HTTP handling References: <8d3f24ab0606261812r7906d516i43fb3edaddf4c836@mail.gmail.com> <44A2CC66.1060408@redhat.com> <88d636060606290917p2c13063au799a399ce0821e2a@mail.gmail.com> <44A40B19.6050908@redhat.com> <1151616393.2825.3.camel@rivendell> In-Reply-To: <1151616393.2825.3.camel@rivendell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.454 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.007, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_BG=0.077, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 00:35:57 -0400 Cc: Teresa Thomas , gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 01:10:22 -0000 Up to you guys. I just work here. :) --Chris Kjartan Maraas wrote: > tor, 29,.06.2006 kl. 13.17 -0400, skrev Christopher Blizzard: >> Probably should be. How do I contact them? >> > I think it was moved to the retirement home last time we cleaned house. > > Maybe the developer site is still referencing it somewhere? /me googles > d.g.o...there's a gnome-http folder there in viewcvs, but it looks > empty. Maybe we need to remove the empty folder as well? > > Cheers > Kjartan > >> --Chris >> >> kevin@kubasik.net wrote: >>> Hey, if libghttp is deprecisted, let the gnome sysadmin team know >>> before the svn migration so it can be added to the list of "obsolete" >>> modules. >>> >>> -Kevin Kubasik >>> >>> On 6/28/06, Christopher Blizzard wrote: >>>> James Henstridge wrote: >>>>> On 27/06/06, Teresa Thomas wrote: >>>>>> I am making an Evolution plugin that enable it to synchrized with the >>>> Google >>>>>> calendar. As part of this, I will need to do some HTTP handling, >>>> create >>>> and >>>>>> send requests, receive and interpret responses etc. Does anyone >>>> know any >>>>>> libraries that can aid in doing this? >>>>>> >>>>>> I was looking in libgHTTP, but it does not have any helpful >>>> documentation. >>>>>> Would be grateful is anyone has any suggestions or more information on >>>>>> libgHTTP. >>>>> You should probably look at libsoup. It is already a dependency of >>>>> Evolution and can integrate into the GTK event loop. >>>>> >>>> Holy crap I wrote libghttp 10 years ago. Is it still in gnome-cvs? >>>> >>>> --Chris >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> gnome-hackers mailing list >>>> gnome-hackers@gnome.org >>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-hackers >>>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> gnome-hackers mailing list >> gnome-hackers@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-hackers > From jdub@waugh.id.au Thu Jun 1 09:21:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DE8B3B0213 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05226-06 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C82713B017F for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (unknown [203.217.18.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FD9E3CDE7; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 23:21:05 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DC9CF40B4; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 23:20:52 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 23:20:52 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Message-ID: <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org, Ross Golder References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> Reply-By: Sun Jun 4 23:19:02 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.15-23-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 23:19:02 up 3:11, 5 users, load average: 0.04, 0.28, 0.83 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 09:43:00 -0400 Cc: Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 13:21:10 -0000 > As the various show-stoppers that prevented our previously scheduled > migration from going ahead have now been resolved, I am proposing that the > new migration go ahead at 23:59UTC on Friday 16th June 2006. Please let us > know a.s.a.p if that will be inconvenient for anyone. Ross, Can I suggest that we do the migration after GUADEC? I think it would be more useful for us to have reliable and known access to CVS through the week than be dealing with post-migration woes (as clean as it will be, there will be some hassles for everyone). Thanks, - Jeff -- GUADEC 2006: Vilanova i la Geltrú, Spain http://2006.guadec.org/ "So I'll have to talk about what I know instead. If you are so inclined, you may infer that I am totally oblivious to anything I don't talk about today." - Larry Wall From jdub@waugh.id.au Thu Jun 1 10:14:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18D383B0134 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10107-04 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90E843B00F7 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB9B13C310; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:14:53 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D695840B4; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:14:50 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:14:50 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Germ=E1n_Po=F3_Caama=F1o?= Message-ID: <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Germ=E1n_Po=F3_Caama=F1o?= , gnome-hackers@gnome.org References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.15-23-686 i686 Reply-By: Mon Jun 5 00:14:22 EST 2006 X-Uptime: 00:14:22 up 6 min, 5 users, load average: 0.26, 0.52, 0.31 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.445 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.019, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.445 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 14:14:56 -0000 > > Can I suggest that we do the migration after GUADEC? I think it would be > > more useful for us to have reliable and known access to CVS through the > > week than be dealing with post-migration woes (as clean as it will be, > > there will be some hassles for everyone). > > But also, GUADEC offers a good chance to get solved all those issues > quickly. Pretty sure we'd all rather be doing useful things than cleaning up, though! > May be a sort of 'Quick tour from CVS to SVN: tips and tricks' may be > given at GUADEC. We should do that anyway. :-) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "Well, you know us usability folks... We like to believe that the two aren't mutually exclusive." - Calum Benson on power and cleanliness From gpoo@ubiobio.cl Thu Jun 1 09:53:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBABC3B0D94 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:53:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08135-07 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:53:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ubiobio.cl (atlas.dci.ubiobio.cl [146.83.195.21]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 195D33B0D40 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:53:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by forward.ubiobio.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E689400325; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:51:57 -0400 (CLT) Received: from pegasus.dci.ubiobio.cl ([146.83.195.11]) by localhost (antivirus.dci.ubiobio.cl [146.83.195.21]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08131-81; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:51:56 -0400 (CLT) Received: from mimos.local (unknown [146.83.198.86]) by pegasus.dci.ubiobio.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B6542804423; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:53:25 -0400 (CLT) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Germ=E1n_Po=F3_Caama=F1o?= To: Jeff Waugh In-Reply-To: <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 09:53:30 -0400 Message-Id: <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at ubiobio.cl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.406 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.058, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.406 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:29:49 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 13:53:36 -0000 On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 23:20 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > As the various show-stoppers that prevented our previously scheduled > > migration from going ahead have now been resolved, I am proposing that the > > new migration go ahead at 23:59UTC on Friday 16th June 2006. Please let us > > know a.s.a.p if that will be inconvenient for anyone. > > Ross, > > Can I suggest that we do the migration after GUADEC? I think it would be > more useful for us to have reliable and known access to CVS through the week > than be dealing with post-migration woes (as clean as it will be, there will > be some hassles for everyone). But also, GUADEC offers a good chance to get solved all those issues quickly. May be a sort of 'Quick tour from CVS to SVN: tips and tricks' may be given at GUADEC. -- Germán Poó-Caamaño http://www.ubiobio.cl/~gpoo/ Concepción - Chile From carlos@gnome.org Thu Jun 1 10:22:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23DAA3B009D for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10509-10 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gandalf.pemas.net (wpc1544.amenworld.com [62.193.229.92]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94E4E3B023E for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gandalf.pemas.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B599117403B; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:21:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from gandalf.pemas.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (gandalf.pemas.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03329-09; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:21:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from aragorn.pemas.net (13.Red-88-15-198.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net [88.15.198.13]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gandalf.pemas.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1375E174009; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:21:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: by aragorn.pemas.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DD0EE2B08AF; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:22:39 +0200 (CEST) From: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= To: Jeff Waugh In-Reply-To: <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Organization: GNOME Foundation Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 16:22:39 +0200 Message-Id: <1149171759.5308.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at gandalf.pemas.net X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.387 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.387 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:29:49 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 14:22:53 -0000 El vie, 02-06-2006 a las 00:14 +1000, Jeff Waugh escribi=C3=B3: > >=20 > > > Can I suggest that we do the migration after GUADEC? I think it would= be > > > more useful for us to have reliable and known access to CVS through t= he > > > week than be dealing with post-migration woes (as clean as it will be= , > > > there will be some hassles for everyone). > >=20 > > But also, GUADEC offers a good chance to get solved all those issues > > quickly. >=20 > Pretty sure we'd all rather be doing useful things than cleaning up, thou= gh! >=20 > > May be a sort of 'Quick tour from CVS to SVN: tips and tricks' may be > > given at GUADEC. >=20 > We should do that anyway. :-) I should also point that this migration will break l10n-status.gnome.org, it only knows about cvs atm. Danilo is working on a cool new system that would be able to handle SVN, but I don't know if it would be ready at that time. Anyway, porting current sytem to use svn shouldn't be too difficult, but I would like to know if there is any public SVN server where we could test it. Cheers. >=20 > - Jeff From miguel@ximian.com Thu Jun 1 10:23:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA9B43B00F7 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10681-08 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from linux.site (c-24-218-111-14.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.218.111.14]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3312A3B024F for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:23:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by linux.site (Postfix, from userid 500) id 35AB56AE07; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:22:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Miguel de Icaza To: Jeff Waugh In-Reply-To: <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:22:02 -0400 Message-Id: <1149171722.12303.661.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.709 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.291, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=2.046] X-Spam-Score: -0.709 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:29:49 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 14:23:32 -0000 Hello, > > May be a sort of 'Quick tour from CVS to SVN: tips and tricks' may be > > given at GUADEC. We produced one when we did our own migration, and we updated it as the FAQs came in, feel free to borrow, cut and paste: http://www.mono-project.com/SVN#Using_SVN Miguel. From gpoo@ubiobio.cl Thu Jun 1 10:54:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F74F3B022E; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13499-06; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ubiobio.cl (atlas.dci.ubiobio.cl [146.83.195.21]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 741FD3B00F7; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by forward.ubiobio.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D0AE400324; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:53:12 -0400 (CLT) Received: from pegasus.dci.ubiobio.cl ([146.83.195.11]) by localhost (antivirus.dci.ubiobio.cl [146.83.195.21]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23025-25; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:53:09 -0400 (CLT) Received: from mimos.local (unknown [146.83.198.86]) by pegasus.dci.ubiobio.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E1712804424; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:54:39 -0400 (CLT) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Germ=E1n_Po=F3_Caama=F1o?= To: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= In-Reply-To: <1149171759.5308.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> <1149171759.5308.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:54:43 -0400 Message-Id: <1149173683.15278.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at ubiobio.cl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.369 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.018, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.369 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 11:10:12 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 14:54:45 -0000 On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 16:22 +0200, Carlos Perelló Marín wrote: > El vie, 02-06-2006 a las 00:14 +1000, Jeff Waugh escribió: > > > > > > > > Can I suggest that we do the migration after GUADEC? I think it would be > > > > more useful for us to have reliable and known access to CVS through the > > > > week than be dealing with post-migration woes (as clean as it will be, > > > > there will be some hassles for everyone). > > > > > > But also, GUADEC offers a good chance to get solved all those issues > > > quickly. > > > > Pretty sure we'd all rather be doing useful things than cleaning up, though! > > > > > May be a sort of 'Quick tour from CVS to SVN: tips and tricks' may be > > > given at GUADEC. > > > > We should do that anyway. :-) > > I should also point that this migration will break > l10n-status.gnome.org, it only knows about cvs atm. Good point. > Danilo is working on a cool new system that would be able to handle SVN, > but I don't know if it would be ready at that time. Anyway, porting > current sytem to use svn shouldn't be too difficult, but I would like to > know if there is any public SVN server where we could test it. http://svn.gnome.org/svn/[modulename] More information in http://live.gnome.org/Subversion Regards, -- Germán Poó-Caamaño http://www.ubiobio.cl/~gpoo/ Concepción - Chile From gpoo@ubiobio.cl Thu Jun 1 11:04:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F40DD3B02BC for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14377-04 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ubiobio.cl (atlas.dci.ubiobio.cl [146.83.195.21]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 964473B0262 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by forward.ubiobio.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 950E8400097; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:03:11 -0400 (CLT) Received: from pegasus.dci.ubiobio.cl ([146.83.195.11]) by localhost (antivirus.dci.ubiobio.cl [146.83.195.21]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23025-41; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:03:10 -0400 (CLT) Received: from mimos.local (unknown [146.83.198.86]) by pegasus.dci.ubiobio.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1DAF2804423; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:04:36 -0400 (CLT) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Germ=E1n_Po=F3_Caama=F1o?= To: Miguel de Icaza In-Reply-To: <1149171722.12303.661.camel@linux.site> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> <1149171722.12303.661.camel@linux.site> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 11:04:40 -0400 Message-Id: <1149174280.15278.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at ubiobio.cl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.408 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.056, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.408 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 11:10:12 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 15:04:54 -0000 On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 10:22 -0400, Miguel de Icaza wrote: > Hello, > > > > May be a sort of 'Quick tour from CVS to SVN: tips and tricks' may be > > > given at GUADEC. > > We produced one when we did our own migration, and we updated it as the > FAQs came in, feel free to borrow, cut and paste: > > http://www.mono-project.com/SVN#Using_SVN There is something similar in http://developer.gnome.org/tools/svn.html I don't think there will be any issue with normal uses cases (but you never know). I was thinking more on "what's new" or "being more productive", some exciting useful feature that is a pain or not possible using cvs. -- Germán Poó-Caamaño http://www.ubiobio.cl/~gpoo/ Concepción - Chile From davyd@madeley.id.au Thu Jun 1 11:22:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE1F3B0DEF for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15950-01 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:22:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oracle.bridgewayconsulting.com.au (oracle.bridgewayconsulting.com.au [203.56.14.38]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1C823B0DF2 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frobisher.local (cugglephone.madeley.id.au [203.56.15.217]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by oracle.bridgewayconsulting.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21C682E8004 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 23:21:11 +0800 (WST) From: Davyd Madeley To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 23:21:09 +0800 Message-Id: <1149175269.6871.61.camel@frobisher.madeley.id.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.479 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.015, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.479 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 11:52:22 -0400 Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 15:22:39 -0000 On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 00:14 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > May be a sort of 'Quick tour from CVS to SVN: tips and tricks' may be > > given at GUADEC. > > We should do that anyway. :-) I have offered to do something like this at GUADEC during some non-core time on IRC. I now offer here. --d -- Davyd Madeley http://www.davyd.id.au/ 08B0 341A 0B9B 08BB 2118 C060 2EDD BB4F 5191 6CDA From gpoo@ubiobio.cl Thu Jun 1 12:45:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C36703B0104 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21522-03 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ubiobio.cl (atlas.dci.ubiobio.cl [146.83.195.21]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C15C43B0EA2 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by forward.ubiobio.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 322184000BC; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:43:08 -0400 (CLT) Received: from pegasus.dci.ubiobio.cl ([146.83.195.11]) by localhost (antivirus.dci.ubiobio.cl [146.83.195.21]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06437-24; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:43:07 -0400 (CLT) Received: from mimos.local (unknown [146.83.198.86]) by pegasus.dci.ubiobio.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49FA92804423; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:44:36 -0400 (CLT) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Germ=E1n_Po=F3_Caama=F1o?= To: Davyd Madeley In-Reply-To: <1149175269.6871.61.camel@frobisher.madeley.id.au> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> <1149175269.6871.61.camel@frobisher.madeley.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 12:44:40 -0400 Message-Id: <1149180281.15278.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at ubiobio.cl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.41 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.054, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.41 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 16:45:07 -0000 On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 23:21 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote: > On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 00:14 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > May be a sort of 'Quick tour from CVS to SVN: tips and tricks' may be > > > given at GUADEC. > > > > We should do that anyway. :-) > > I have offered to do something like this at GUADEC during some non-core > time on IRC. I now offer here. IMO, the way to go is looking for a free space in the schedule an ask to the person in charge to be included there. http://guadec.org/GUADEC2006/schedule/WUW http://guadec.org/GUADEC2006/schedule/AHW http://guadec.org/GUADEC2006/schedule And advertise it. -- Germán Poó-Caamaño http://www.ubiobio.cl/~gpoo/ Concepción - Chile From ross@golder.org Fri Jun 2 09:59:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44C613B0480 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:59:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30672-06 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown [125.25.17.26]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7067E3B0468 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 500) id 80BC09FC5E; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:59:23 +0700 (ICT) From: Ross Golder To: Jeff Waugh In-Reply-To: <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 20:59:23 +0700 Message-Id: <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 13:59:42 -0000 On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 23:20 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > As the various show-stoppers that prevented our previously scheduled > > migration from going ahead have now been resolved, I am proposing that the > > new migration go ahead at 23:59UTC on Friday 16th June 2006. Please let us > > know a.s.a.p if that will be inconvenient for anyone. > > Ross, > > Can I suggest that we do the migration after GUADEC? I think it would be > more useful for us to have reliable and known access to CVS through the week > than be dealing with post-migration woes (as clean as it will be, there will > be some hassles for everyone). > > Thanks, > > - Jeff > How about this - I'll run another test migration on the 23rd, but won't actually make the switch. At least then, if anyone at GUADEC wants to play with or demonstrate anything related to subversion, at least they will get fairly up-to-date code. So, looking at the release schedule, it looks like the next best date would be July 14th. How would that be? -- Ross From jdub@waugh.id.au Fri Jun 2 10:09:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9CCF3B048D for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31323-03 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 380433B0487 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 516F13D869; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:09:24 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9C62A3F98; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:09:20 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:09:20 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: Ross Golder Message-ID: <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: Ross Golder , gnome-hackers@gnome.org References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> Reply-By: Tue Jun 6 00:08:39 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.15-23-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 00:08:39 up 1 day, 0 min, 7 users, load average: 0.08, 0.07, 0.13 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.446 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.018, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.446 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 14:09:26 -0000 > How about this - I'll run another test migration on the 23rd, but won't > actually make the switch. At least then, if anyone at GUADEC wants to play > with or demonstrate anything related to subversion, at least they will get > fairly up-to-date code. Awesome - good call. > So, looking at the release schedule, it looks like the next best date > would be July 14th. How would that be? Hrm, puts it out a bit, hey? I'm happy with that, though, if it's the first available time. Thanks! - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ From ross@golder.org Fri Jun 2 10:42:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 842F53B1178 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:42:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00864-04 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown [125.25.17.26]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEF933B1157 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 500) id 993B69FC5E; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:42:04 +0700 (ICT) From: Ross Golder To: Jeff Waugh In-Reply-To: <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:42:04 +0700 Message-Id: <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 14:42:23 -0000 On Sat, 2006-06-03 at 00:09 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > How about this - I'll run another test migration on the 23rd, but won't > > actually make the switch. At least then, if anyone at GUADEC wants to play > > with or demonstrate anything related to subversion, at least they will get > > fairly up-to-date code. > > Awesome - good call. > > > So, looking at the release schedule, it looks like the next best date > > would be July 14th. How would that be? > > Hrm, puts it out a bit, hey? I'm happy with that, though, if it's the first > available time. > I can do it sooner if there's a demand for it. I'd certainly be happier once it's done and dusted. For me, the 30th June would be good, but it seemed too soon after GUADEC - perhaps people will still have work in their CVS w/d left to commit? The 7th July falls before a couple of tarball deadlines, so might be inconvenient for maintainers if their module takes a while to migrate. The 16th July seems best, because there's not much else going on. I'm open to suggestions. It doesn't necessarily have to be done over a weekend either. -- Ross > Thanks! > > - Jeff > From murrayc@murrayc.com Fri Jun 2 14:22:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE9BB3B034B for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14259-01 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from swarthymail-a4.dreamhost.com (ip-208-97-132-53.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.53]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 377D93B0283 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from noname (p5497F668.dip.t-dialin.net [84.151.246.104]) by swarthymail-a4.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83F0D129A83; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:22:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Murray Cumming To: Ross Golder In-Reply-To: <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 20:22:43 +0200 Message-Id: <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.469 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.053, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.469 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 15:12:13 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 18:22:52 -0000 On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 21:42 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > On Sat, 2006-06-03 at 00:09 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > > > > How about this - I'll run another test migration on the 23rd, but won't > > > actually make the switch. At least then, if anyone at GUADEC wants to play > > > with or demonstrate anything related to subversion, at least they will get > > > fairly up-to-date code. > > > > Awesome - good call. > > > > > So, looking at the release schedule, it looks like the next best date > > > would be July 14th. How would that be? > > > > Hrm, puts it out a bit, hey? I'm happy with that, though, if it's the first > > available time. > > > > I can do it sooner if there's a demand for it. I'd certainly be happier > once it's done and dusted. > > For me, the 30th June would be good, but it seemed too soon after GUADEC > - perhaps people will still have work in their CVS w/d left to commit? > The 7th July falls before a couple of tarball deadlines, so might be > inconvenient for maintainers if their module takes a while to migrate. > The 16th July seems best, because there's not much else going on. > > I'm open to suggestions. It doesn't necessarily have to be done over a > weekend either. Probably there's a document somewhere, but do we have some official advice for how to branch when we are using svn, and will the old cvs branches be morphed into that system? As far as I understand, svn branches of modules are copies of that module in any old directory that you like (with svn presumably maintaining some link between the copies). I guess at the least we need to create the branches/gnome-2-*/ or similar directories early, and tell people to put their branches in their. Please excuse my ignorance on this. -- Murray Cumming murrayc@murrayc.com www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com From joeshaw@novell.com Mon Jun 5 11:36:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42E8C3B059A for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10485-06 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [130.57.169.10]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CC343B022A for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14585 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2006 15:36:40 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO posthaste.boston.ximian.com) (joe@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Jun 2006 15:36:40 -0000 From: Joe Shaw To: Murray Cumming In-Reply-To: <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 11:36:38 -0400 Message-Id: <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.439 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.117, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.439 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 11:41:15 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 15:36:47 -0000 Hi, On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 20:22 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > I guess at the least we need to create the branches/gnome-2-*/ or > similar directories early, and tell people to put their branches in > their. With svn we definitely have a lot more freedom in how we set up our branches and tags. So I think we should immediately limit that freedom by coming up with some conventions. :) I propose the following: Assuming we have some project on the trunk with the URL like so: http://svn.gnome.org/trunk/project Tags, I believe, should be in per-project directories, like so: http://svn.gnome.org/tags/project/PROJECT_1_0_0/project We don't have to keep using the "PROJECT_1_0_0" convention for tags with svn, but I think we probably should for compatibility and predictability. Likewise, we should do similarly for per-project branches: http://svn.gnome.org/branches/project/project-1-0-branch/project But for GNOME-wide branches, we should use the higher-level directory: http://svn.gnome.org/branches/gnome-2-16/project (For these, though, we should probably migrate them to the more aesthetic and correct "gnome-2.16" name, since there are fewer and they are easy to predict programmatically.) Joe From johan@gnome.org Mon Jun 5 11:52:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E30F3B04F6 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:52:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11615-01 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frodo.hserus.net (frodo.hserus.net [204.74.68.40]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9647B3B03E1 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br ([200.171.140.32]:39578 helo=anthem.async.com.br) by frodo.hserus.net with esmtps (Cipher TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.62 #0) id 1FnHNR-000EMq-Qn; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:22:27 +0530 Received: from [192.168.99.10] (jdahlin@walrus.async.com.br [192.168.99.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by anthem.async.com.br (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3ubuntu0.1) with ESMTP id k55FqLrT008207; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 12:52:21 -0300 Message-ID: <4484532B.4070109@gnome.org> Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 12:52:11 -0300 From: Johan Dahlin User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060420) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Shaw References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> In-Reply-To: <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.417 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.047, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.417 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 11:56:28 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 15:52:33 -0000 [..] > http://svn.gnome.org/trunk/project [..] > http://svn.gnome.org/tags/project/PROJECT_1_0_0/project [..] > http://svn.gnome.org/branches/project/project-1-0-branch/project [..] > http://svn.gnome.org/branches/gnome-2-16/project [..] All of these urls assumes that there will only be one repository for all the modules/projects. It is not possible to branch between repositories. It seems like (judging by the revision numbers found on svn.gnome.org) that it is currently done by having one repository per module/project. I'm in favor of having one big repository, which would allow this kind of aliasing. The main disadvantage is the big revision numbers (6 or 7 digits). Johan From james.henstridge@gmail.com Tue Jun 6 00:26:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 367133B0098 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 00:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21950-04 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 00:25:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.195]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E33FE3B009B for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 00:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id h29so870756wxd for ; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:25:49 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=jouzeSD7aYq1sBUoDqmIXp4hixDLwkL95R3LSv5zhNd/3K6+AB/qHGdtunntMG61kzdxRjyxxs/gzGvQ7Fd28AwyvyCrWvOu+OqE0SztW6n31CBdqui9bSmqFjOAYSwn0LaXA7a81KhM5KQXWhiQ1VOaS/FE0mxYpWTdnsIuz9Q= Received: by 10.70.44.17 with SMTP id r17mr7000311wxr; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:25:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.60.15 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 21:25:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:25:49 +0800 From: "James Henstridge" Sender: james.henstridge@gmail.com To: "Joe Shaw" In-Reply-To: <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: bfa39d2be695be2a X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.561 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.561 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 00:40:52 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 04:26:23 -0000 On 05/06/06, Joe Shaw wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 20:22 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > > I guess at the least we need to create the branches/gnome-2-*/ or > > similar directories early, and tell people to put their branches in > > their. > > With svn we definitely have a lot more freedom in how we set up our > branches and tags. So I think we should immediately limit that freedom > by coming up with some conventions. :) I propose the following: > > Assuming we have some project on the trunk with the URL like so: > > http://svn.gnome.org/trunk/project > > Tags, I believe, should be in per-project directories, like so: > > http://svn.gnome.org/tags/project/PROJECT_1_0_0/project > > We don't have to keep using the "PROJECT_1_0_0" convention for tags with > svn, but I think we probably should for compatibility and > predictability. > > Likewise, we should do similarly for per-project branches: > > http://svn.gnome.org/branches/project/project-1-0-branch/project > > But for GNOME-wide branches, we should use the higher-level directory: > > http://svn.gnome.org/branches/gnome-2-16/project > > (For these, though, we should probably migrate them to the more > aesthetic and correct "gnome-2.16" name, since there are fewer and they > are easy to predict programmatically.) The suggested layout for multi-module repositories from the Subversion book is actually: ./$project/trunk <- the mainline for development ./$project/branches/$branchname <- a branch of the project ./$project/tags/$tagname <- a tag of the project For cases where there is only a single module in the repository, they recommend leaving of the "$project/" bit at the start of the paths. What benefits does your layout give over the recommended layout? It looks like it would add complexity without making things easier to understand. James. From thomas@apestaart.org Tue Jun 6 06:04:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABA3E3B0750; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 06:04:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04145-08; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 06:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.es6.egwn.net (server02.es6.egwn.net [195.10.6.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BEAF3B014E; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 06:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.fr4.egwn.net (server07.fr4.egwn.net [62.39.85.77]) by mx1.es6.egwn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5F0C4F82E2; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:04:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.fr4.egwn.net (spiffy mail daemon) with ESMTP id 0D94183BE7; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:04:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mx1.fr4.egwn.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (server07.fr4.egwn.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16922-12; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:03:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from thread.fluendo.lan (core.fluendo.com [195.10.6.237]) by mx1.fr4.egwn.net (spiffy mail daemon) with ESMTP id C559583BE4; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:03:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from thomas.fluendo.lan (thomas.fluendo.lan [192.168.1.10]) by thread.fluendo.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EF06FFDB; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:03:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Thomas Vander Stichele To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 12:03:19 +0200 Message-Id: <1149588200.24971.3.camel@otto.amantes> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 (2.6.1-1.fc5.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned: By amavis at egwn.net X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.626 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.070, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, RCVD_IN_SBL=3.16] X-Spam-Score: 0.626 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 06:51:14 -0400 Cc: gnome-announce-list@gnome.org, devel-announce-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 10:04:10 -0000 On Tue, 2006-05-30 at 13:41 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > Hi, > > As the various show-stoppers that prevented our previously scheduled > migration from going ahead have now been resolved, I am proposing that > the new migration go ahead at 23:59UTC on Friday 16th June 2006. Please > let us know a.s.a.p if that will be inconvenient for anyone. It may be inconvenient for any hack sessions done at GUADEC if it leaves people with too little time to convert their laptop checkouts properly, or if anything goes wrong with the conversion. I don't know if that's important enough of a reason, but it'd be too bad if we'd be stifling the surge of activity at GUADEC. Thomas From joeshaw@novell.com Tue Jun 6 11:10:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CB523B08C7 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:10:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31679-07 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [130.57.169.10]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFC503B0229 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15534 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2006 15:10:02 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO posthaste.boston.ximian.com) (joe@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Jun 2006 15:10:02 -0000 From: Joe Shaw To: James Henstridge In-Reply-To: References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 11:10:01 -0400 Message-Id: <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.477 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.078, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.477 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 11:16:13 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 15:10:06 -0000 Hi, On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 12:25 +0800, James Henstridge wrote: > The suggested layout for multi-module repositories from the Subversion > book is actually: > > ./$project/trunk <- the mainline for development > ./$project/branches/$branchname <- a branch of the project > ./$project/tags/$tagname <- a tag of the project If we're using separate repos for each module, then my proposal doesn't really apply. Other than very high revision numbers and the ease of moving a project repository off of gnome.org to somewhere else later, what are the benefits of multiple repositories? > What benefits does your layout give over the recommended layout? It > looks like it would add complexity without making things easier to > understand. I don't really see any added complexity in there. It's essentially the system we have today with CVS. The main benefit is that you could check out the whole of gnome 2.N at once, rather than knowing what modules to check out and doing so one by one. For an automated tinderbox-like system, you could drop a single file at the root which lists the order in which to build the modules, and then you don't have to worry about *any* synchronization of the module list with tools outside of svn. Joe From jdub@waugh.id.au Tue Jun 6 11:30:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA40E3B0151 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:30:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00913-02 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 751413B028C for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1A943D251; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 01:30:50 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C3BB83F9C; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 01:30:44 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 01:30:44 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: Joe Shaw Message-ID: <20060606153044.GA5138@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: Joe Shaw , James Henstridge , gnome-hackers@gnome.org References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Reply-By: Sat Jun 10 01:29:40 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.15-23-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 01:29:40 up 5 days, 1:21, 10 users, load average: 0.25, 0.10, 0.10 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.447 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.447 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 15:30:58 -0000 > I don't really see any added complexity in there. It's essentially the > system we have today with CVS. Perhaps delaying this after GUADEC will provide another benefit: A good load of high social bandwidth discussion during GUADEC about how to go about it. :-) - Jeff -- GUADEC 2006: Vilanova i la Geltrú, Spain http://2006.guadec.org/ "I have a burning curiosity about everything, everything-- except country and western, of course." - David Bowie From rml@novell.com Tue Jun 6 11:52:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 267353B0225 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:52:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02354-08 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [130.57.169.10]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11A853B0AB0 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15604 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2006 15:52:06 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO betsy.boston.ximian.com) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Jun 2006 15:52:06 -0000 From: Robert Love To: Joe Shaw In-Reply-To: <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 11:52:21 -0400 Message-Id: <1149609141.31757.17.camel@betsy.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.482 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.083, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.482 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 12:21:54 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 15:52:11 -0000 On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 11:10 -0400, Joe Shaw wrote: > The main benefit is that you could check out the whole of gnome 2.N at > once, rather than knowing what modules to check out and doing so one by > one. For an automated tinderbox-like system, you could drop a single > file at the root which lists the order in which to build the modules, > and then you don't have to worry about *any* synchronization of the > module list with tools outside of svn. Building on this fabulous idea, we can snapshot and tag all of a GNOME release, too. All-modules-in-one-repo seems to be pretty much the norm. I'd die for that cause. Robert Love From james.henstridge@gmail.com Tue Jun 6 12:22:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAA393B014B for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:22:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04758-01 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.197]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AD5F3B0284 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:22:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so1455063wxd for ; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 09:22:42 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=q76PChRbDzmRBAOI+u2Qkyp38lWfCxt0EK9nkNtvnAQLDH6xu64Z6JGeo3zF+GabQ4nfE8u7NRwKbfTM+5OplZlzkXY2xMQGjVdvI9B+IgmZlcDguvt9bvmlZuroz7u+dbAdXlKBqOFJNheRCnzPjtPvBdldOtf5t3zgs7YRLIw= Received: by 10.70.14.9 with SMTP id 9mr7771150wxn; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 09:22:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.60.15 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 09:22:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 00:22:42 +0800 From: "James Henstridge" Sender: james.henstridge@gmail.com To: "Joe Shaw" In-Reply-To: <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3439076e4a7f8d61 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.588 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.012, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.588 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 13:21:18 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 16:22:47 -0000 On 06/06/06, Joe Shaw wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 12:25 +0800, James Henstridge wrote: > > The suggested layout for multi-module repositories from the Subversion > > book is actually: > > > > ./$project/trunk <- the mainline for development > > ./$project/branches/$branchname <- a branch of the project > > ./$project/tags/$tagname <- a tag of the project > > If we're using separate repos for each module, then my proposal doesn't > really apply. Other than very high revision numbers and the ease of > moving a project repository off of gnome.org to somewhere else later, > what are the benefits of multiple repositories? You'd have to ask Ross about why we're using multiple repositories. There definitely are benefits to hosting multiple projects within a single repo. Subversion doesn't really handle interactions between repositories so code in separate repos are quite isolated. It is also less effort to add a new module to a repo (compared with creating new Subversion repositories, which will probably require sysadmin intervention). On the other hand, multiple repositories probably scale better since there will be less lock contention. I'm not sure how much of a problem lock contention would be though. > > What benefits does your layout give over the recommended layout? It > > looks like it would add complexity without making things easier to > > understand. > > I don't really see any added complexity in there. It's essentially the > system we have today with CVS. Really? The layout described in the Subversion book seems like a closer analogue to what we do in CVS. > The main benefit is that you could check out the whole of gnome 2.N at > once, rather than knowing what modules to check out and doing so one by > one. For an automated tinderbox-like system, you could drop a single > file at the root which lists the order in which to build the modules, > and then you don't have to worry about *any* synchronization of the > module list with tools outside of svn. Who would be allowed to create branches in this repo-wide "gnome 2.N" branch directory? Only stuff that is part of desktop and developer platform? Everything that creates branches to target particular Gnome releases? It seems that checking out one of these repo-wide "gnome 2.N" directories would end up pulling either too many or too few modules for any particular use. It is also worth noting that there will always be important parts of the Gnome module stack that are outside of our Subversion repository. For example, the recent GTK printing work depended on new features in Cairo. With your system without maintaining an import of cairo into the Gnome Subversion repo, which would be a maintenance nightmare. James. From joeshaw@novell.com Tue Jun 6 12:52:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71DE13B0090 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06467-04 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [130.57.169.10]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 383C93B0197 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15669 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2006 16:52:16 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO posthaste.boston.ximian.com) (joe@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Jun 2006 16:52:16 -0000 From: Joe Shaw To: James Henstridge In-Reply-To: References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 12:52:15 -0400 Message-Id: <1149612735.3790.71.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.477 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.078, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.477 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 13:21:18 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 16:52:18 -0000 Hi, On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 00:22 +0800, James Henstridge wrote: > On 06/06/06, Joe Shaw wrote: > > I don't really see any added complexity in there. It's essentially the > > system we have today with CVS. > > Really? The layout described in the Subversion book seems like a > closer analogue to what we do in CVS. Are you referring to this? http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch04s07.html Assuming one large repo, the only difference between my proposal and the book's is that there is an extra directory level in the branches (or tags) directory for each project. That way one doesn't have to wade through every tag or branch name for every project. In that sense it's more like CVS now: tags and branches are private per module. For example: /repos/calc/branches/my-calc-branch would most likely in an equivalent single repo setup be: /repos/branches/my-calc-branch My proposal is: /repos/branches/calc/my-calc-branch That way, when you really want to see just the calc branches you can go to /repo/branches/calc and not also see all the "paint" branches. The one exception is for any repo-wide branches, like a GNOME release. > Who would be allowed to create branches in this repo-wide "gnome 2.N" > branch directory? Only stuff that is part of desktop and developer > platform? Everything that creates branches to target particular Gnome > releases? It could require a change in workflow, perhaps negatively. People would have to branch at release time, rather than delaying it until they're ready for unstable development. And checking into the branch and the trunk is a PITA. But it's probably something that warrants discussion. But to answer the question, I'd assume that module maintainers who branch now would simply copy their modules into the branch directory. Perhaps it could be done by someone on the release team at release-time. > It is also worth noting that there will always be important parts of > the Gnome module stack that are outside of our Subversion repository. > For example, the recent GTK printing work depended on new features in > Cairo. With your system without maintaining an import of cairo into > the Gnome Subversion repo, which would be a maintenance nightmare. True, but any automated build tool needs to handle out-of-tree dependencies anyway. Reducing the maintenance for our part somewhat is preferable to reducing it none, IMO. Joe From james.henstridge@gmail.com Tue Jun 6 22:46:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C81853B0072 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 22:46:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06342-06 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 22:46:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.202]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 616233B00E6 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 22:46:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so121062wxd for ; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 19:46:38 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YP+HN5cUgne/11IeotaSjwmb5U7n4Wx8Hn1qmTWFNOmZSguJiJ7ql1v6/iVM1D05QTPNfXOzZhtHXtC499OJjVSpU4gLHex7cu+p+ogh2yAwTlG5JpuRsLZrROwO5NQYsqvcvrXr1wC6H1ZhQEq1ZFILUR01V8uyliQGHZCgemo= Received: by 10.70.36.1 with SMTP id j1mr61175wxj; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 19:46:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.60.15 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 19:46:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:46:38 +0800 From: "James Henstridge" To: "Joe Shaw" In-Reply-To: <1149612735.3790.71.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <1149612735.3790.71.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.523 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_JH=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 03:36:55 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 02:46:42 -0000 On 07/06/06, Joe Shaw wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 00:22 +0800, James Henstridge wrote: > > On 06/06/06, Joe Shaw wrote: > > > I don't really see any added complexity in there. It's essentially the > > > system we have today with CVS. > > > > Really? The layout described in the Subversion book seems like a > > closer analogue to what we do in CVS. > > Are you referring to this? > > http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch04s07.html Yes. That page of the book also links to this page, which goes into a bit more detail: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch05s04.html > > Assuming one large repo, the only difference between my proposal and the > book's is that there is an extra directory level in the branches (or > tags) directory for each project. That way one doesn't have to wade > through every tag or branch name for every project. In that sense it's > more like CVS now: tags and branches are private per module. You are suggesting having toplevel trunk, branches and tags directories in the repository, while the book suggests having separate trunk, branches and tags directories under each project root in the repository. A lot of the differences between the suggested layout and your proposed layout seem to stem from trying to make that layout usable (e.g. keeping the branches directory manageable). > For example: > > /repos/calc/branches/my-calc-branch > > would most likely in an equivalent single repo setup be: > > /repos/branches/my-calc-branch > > My proposal is: > > /repos/branches/calc/my-calc-branch If "/repos" is the Subversion repository, then the book actually suggests you use: /repos/calc/branches/my-calc-branch (so everything related to "calc" is under a single directory in the repository). > > That way, when you really want to see just the calc branches you can go > to /repo/branches/calc and not also see all the "paint" branches. > > The one exception is for any repo-wide branches, like a GNOME release. I am not convinced that there are many benefits to storing the all Gnome 2.N branches under a separate directory. It would effectively hide them when browsing through the other branches of each individual module. > > Who would be allowed to create branches in this repo-wide "gnome 2.N" > > branch directory? Only stuff that is part of desktop and developer > > platform? Everything that creates branches to target particular Gnome > > releases? > > It could require a change in workflow, perhaps negatively. People would > have to branch at release time, rather than delaying it until they're > ready for unstable development. And checking into the branch and the > trunk is a PITA. But it's probably something that warrants discussion. > > But to answer the question, I'd assume that module maintainers who > branch now would simply copy their modules into the branch directory. > Perhaps it could be done by someone on the release team at release-time. > > > It is also worth noting that there will always be important parts of > > the Gnome module stack that are outside of our Subversion repository. > > For example, the recent GTK printing work depended on new features in > > Cairo. With your system without maintaining an import of cairo into > > the Gnome Subversion repo, which would be a maintenance nightmare. > > True, but any automated build tool needs to handle out-of-tree > dependencies anyway. Reducing the maintenance for our part somewhat is > preferable to reducing it none, IMO. Well, I plan to continue maintaining the Gnome module set definitions for jhbuild in Subversion, which is essentially the information you propose storing in the repo. It is fairly agnostic to the exact layout used in the repo, so wouldn't really benefit from a gnome release-wide branches subdirectory. James. From ross@golder.org Thu Jun 15 04:35:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 705033B03BD; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 04:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23205-02; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 04:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F7CF3B017A; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 04:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D2AD40AB; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:35:21 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xhk2B6x-5+T6; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:35:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from red (unknown [125.24.64.59]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70C123FE2; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:35:13 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) From: Ross Golder To: Johan Dahlin In-Reply-To: <4484532B.4070109@gnome.org> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <4484532B.4070109@gnome.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 15:34:36 +0700 Message-Id: <1150360476.7547.65.camel@red> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.471 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.128, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.471 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 08:35:25 -0000 On Mon, 2006-06-05 at 12:52 -0300, Johan Dahlin wrote: > [..] > > http://svn.gnome.org/trunk/project > [..] > > http://svn.gnome.org/tags/project/PROJECT_1_0_0/project > [..] > > http://svn.gnome.org/branches/project/project-1-0-branch/project > [..] > > http://svn.gnome.org/branches/gnome-2-16/project > [..] > > All of these urls assumes that there will only be one repository for all the > modules/projects. It is not possible to branch between repositories. > > It seems like (judging by the revision numbers found on svn.gnome.org) that > it is currently done by having one repository per module/project. > Indeed. One repository per module is the way I have been doing it. > I'm in favor of having one big repository, which would allow this kind of > aliasing. The main disadvantage is the big revision numbers (6 or 7 digits). > I can see there are plenty of good arguments for and against the three main approaches (single, multiple and mixed) described in the 'Choosing a Repository Layout' section of the manual . However, I still feel that the multiple repositories approach will work best for GNOME. I think being able to import/export and control (e.g. hook scripts, revision numbers, branches/tags etc) at a module level is the best approach. Eventually most monolithic things get broken down and modularised anyway, so IMHO we might as well start broken down (pretty much as we are now) and build up. The way the migration script works at the moment is that all modules will have a separate repository, with their own hook scripts etc. I particularly want this feature, so I can set up automatic e-mails for *only* commits on modules for which I am maintainer, without having to subscribe to the dirty great 'svn-commits-list'. Also, the migration script adds a call to a global shared hook-script, containing the 'svn-commits-list' hook among others. Also, it means projects can move to/from the GNOME subversion service more easily (without having to integrate/extract themselves from a monolithic repository). And, if one module gets corrupted or something, the whole repository doesn't become stalled. As for project-wide release tags (e.g. GNOME-2-14 etc), I can see that it's a tempting feature, but would it really give us a day-to-day advantage over individual repositories all using a common branch-name conversion to identify them? I'm imagining that a simple 'for...' loop for a given set of repositories would suffice in most cases. Also, historical project release branches/tags will probably be fragmented anyway where the different module maintainers haven't all used the same branching/tagging case and underscore/hyphen conventions. I'd be interested to hear the release team's view on whether a monolithic repo would really make their lives much easier. Anyway, if I'm way off the mark, and people really do think a monolithic repository (or even a mixed one, where we have a repository per group of packages) is the correct way forward, I'll happily cancel the upcoming migration again until someone can come up with a more suitable strategy :) Cheers, -- Ross > Johan > _______________________________________________ > gnome-hackers mailing list > gnome-hackers@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-hackers From vuntz@gnome.org Thu Jun 15 05:17:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DDF83B032F; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 05:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25231-04; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 05:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8D353B0270; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 05:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 33) id 05FEE112692; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:17:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 193.253.45.67 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vuntz) by vuntz.net with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:17:23 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <33333.193.253.45.67.1150363043.squirrel@vuntz.net> In-Reply-To: <1150360476.7547.65.camel@red> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <4484532B.4070109@gnome.org> <1150360476.7547.65.camel@red> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:17:23 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) From: "Vincent Untz" To: "Ross Golder" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.561 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.561 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:17:29 -0000 On Thu, June 15, 2006 10:34, Ross Golder wrote: > I'd be interested to hear the release team's view on whether a > monolithic repo would really make their lives much easier. My really humble opinion (since I'm no expert) is that I agree with you on nearly everything. The per-module hooks are a killer feature for me. Just my €0.02, since you asked for feedback ;-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From joeshaw@novell.com Thu Jun 15 12:26:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4681F3B0482 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 12:26:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22443-01 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 12:26:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [130.57.169.10]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA4413B0434 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 12:26:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 25036 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2006 16:25:53 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO posthaste.boston.ximian.com) (joe@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 Jun 2006 16:25:53 -0000 Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) From: Joe Shaw To: Ross Golder In-Reply-To: <1150360476.7547.65.camel@red> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <4484532B.4070109@gnome.org> <1150360476.7547.65.camel@red> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 12:25:53 -0400 Message-Id: <1150388753.19002.55.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.439 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.117, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, TW_JH=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.439 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:26:26 -0000 Hi, On Thu, 2006-06-15 at 15:34 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > Indeed. One repository per module is the way I have been doing it. Ok, I have no real strong opinion on it. One large repo is just what I'm more used to (Mono). > However, I still feel that the multiple repositories approach will work > best for GNOME. I trust your judgement. :) > As for project-wide release tags (e.g. GNOME-2-14 etc), I can see that > it's a tempting feature, but would it really give us a day-to-day > advantage over individual repositories all using a common branch-name > conversion to identify them? I guess people these days mainly use jhbuild for large GNOME builds, so maybe it's not remotely as interesting as I think it is. Is that what the tinderboxes are using? Maybe blessing jhbuild as "gnome-build" or whatever would put me more at ease. It just seems to me that our build processes are very ad-hoc. Maybe they're not documented well, maybe they work fine and don't need to be. I don't know, I am just rambling at this point. > Anyway, if I'm way off the mark, and people really do think a monolithic > repository (or even a mixed one, where we have a repository per group of > packages) is the correct way forward, I'll happily cancel the upcoming > migration again until someone can come up with a more suitable > strategy :) Oh please no. You're doing a great job and I am dying waiting for svn. Joe From jdub@waugh.id.au Thu Jun 15 14:07:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFF4E3B035A for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26251-08 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CA3D3B02DA for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B1C3C75B for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 04:07:12 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8B1B63F55; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 04:07:02 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 04:07:02 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) 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X-Uptime: 04:06:51 up 14 days, 3:58, 7 users, load average: 0.06, 0.05, 0.01 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.015, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:07:51 -0000 > Oh please no. You're doing a great job and I am dying waiting for svn. SAVE JOE SHAW! - Jeff -- GUADEC 2006: Vilanova i la Geltrú, Spain http://2006.guadec.org/ "Old timers will tell you what a pain unstable was during the new testament transition." - Jon Corbet on Debian's KJV packages From behdad.esfahbod@gmail.com Thu Jun 15 17:38:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFECA3B00DD for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:38:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01988-05 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.238]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E19AC3B0011 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 37so427824wra for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:38:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.108.13 with SMTP id g13mr2187733wrc; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:38:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.190.5? ( [72.136.156.47]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 6sm1544376wrl.2006.06.15.14.38.10; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:38:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Women's Summer Outreach Program 2006 From: Behdad Esfahbod To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org, foundation-list@gnome.org, foundation-announce@gnome.org, gnome-announce-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:38:06 -0400 Message-Id: <1150407487.29623.12.camel@home> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 (2.6.1-1.fc5.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: Behdad Esfahbod X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 00:52:22 -0400 X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 21:38:49 -0000 GNOME to Sponsor Female Developers in a Summer Outreach Program BOSTON, Mass - June 13, 2006 - The GNOME Foundation is offering USD$9000 to female students in order to promote the participation of women in GNOME-related development. The money originates from GNOME's participation in the Google "Summer of Code" program (code.google.com/soc/), for which GNOME developers will mentor 20 students working throughout the northern summer on GNOME-related projects. This year GNOME received 181 applications to Google's program, yet none were from women. The GNOME Foundation has therefore chosen to reinvest Google's contribution into a new program designed to increase the participation of women in GNOME. The program has no official relationship with Google. "Free software prides itself on being open to anyone with a good idea, yet less than 2% of free software developers are female. We, as a community, need to be actively working to change this statistic, and programs like this one are a much needed step in the right direction." said Hanna Wallach, a GNOME developer who is involved in several projects that encourage women to participate in free software development. The Women's Summer Outreach Program is currently accepting applications from female students. Accepted students will receive a stipend of USD $3000 over a two month period. A pool of project ideas is provided at www.gnome.org/projects/wsop/, though original proposals are also encouraged. Projects may either be related to GNOME directly, or indirectly via projects such as Gstreamer and Abiword. Each student will be assigned a mentor to provide guidance throughout the program. Vincent Untz, member of the GNOME Foundation board and coordinator of the GNOME team for Google's "Summer of Code" program, explained: "Many women have the skills required to contribute to Free Software projects like GNOME, but may not see an opportunity to start working with us. By initiating this program, not only do we want to highlight the issue, but we also hope that this opportunity will help more women to get involved in the long term." Applications should be submitted using the form at www.gnome.org/projects/wsop/. More information about the application process may be found at the same location. From spam@pvanhoof.be Mon Jun 19 05:20:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41F683B00C8 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:20:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01630-10 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.freax.org (mail.freax.org [86.39.154.66]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CAC83B008F for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.freax.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A482AE7978 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:14:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.freax.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.freax.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Grg-lfHk-2tw for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:14:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from lort.newtec.be (mailhost.newtec.be [62.58.98.194]) (using SSLv3 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.freax.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68EE1E7977 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:14:38 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off is Fri 14 July) From: Philip Van Hoof To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1150446423.17466.26.camel@red> References: <1150446423.17466.26.camel@red> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:19:06 +0200 Message-Id: <1150708746.5359.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.419 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.047, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.419 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 06:26:47 -0400 X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 09:20:17 -0000 On Fri, 2006-06-16 at 15:27 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > How about this - I'll run another test migration on the 23rd, but won't > > actually make the switch. At least then, if anyone at GUADEC wants to > > play with or demonstrate anything related to subversion, at least they > > will get fairly up-to-date code. Hey Ross, Thanks for taking care of the Subversion transition. In my opinion we certainly need an upgrade of our repository software. Subversion is a good choice. I'm wondering whether new projects that haven't yet been in the GNOME CVS repository can enter the new Subversion repository sooner? I'm also wondering whether it will be possible to handover the sysadmins the resulting dump file of a "svnadmin dump"? ps. I'm indeed planning to let the tinymail repository get hosted by the upcoming GNOME Subversion infrastructure. Thanks -- Philip Van Hoof, software developer at x-tend home: me at pvanhoof dot be gnome: pvanhoof at gnome dot org work: vanhoof at x-tend dot be http://www.pvanhoof.be - http://www.x-tend.be From ross@golder.org Mon Jun 19 10:05:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BEB13B0014 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14538-09 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:05:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0918D3B0017 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D69B4A91; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:38:58 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BA3l6Mx+TfZ4; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:38:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from [10.174.248.19] (unknown [203.170.228.172]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE1A340DD; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:38:44 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off is Fri 14 July) From: Ross Golder To: Philip Van Hoof In-Reply-To: <1150708746.5359.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1150446423.17466.26.camel@red> <1150708746.5359.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:37:53 +0700 Message-Id: <1150724273.9923.18.camel@red> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.536 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.505, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558] X-Spam-Score: -0.536 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:05:24 -0000 On Mon, 2006-06-19 at 11:19 +0200, Philip Van Hoof wrote: > On Fri, 2006-06-16 at 15:27 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > I'm wondering whether new projects that haven't yet been in the GNOME > CVS repository can enter the new Subversion repository sooner? I'm also > wondering whether it will be possible to handover the sysadmins the > resulting dump file of a "svnadmin dump"? > Sorry, no, we're not planning to support any Subversion services until the migration cut-off. The sysadmin team don't want to be in a position of having to support multiple version control systems simultaneously, there is a technical issue that means it wouldn't be straightforward to set up, and it'll make the live migration more confusing for me too! After the migration, it shouldn't be a problem to just send a compressed dump of your subversion repository to 'support@gnome.org' and we'll install it. Obviously, it'll have to follow the usual guidelines for new modules, as I'm sure yours do :) http://live.gnome.org/ProjectPrerequisites -- Ross From tere.ertw@gmail.com Mon Jun 26 21:12:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 556253B00FE for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27746-01 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.190]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 251643B00AB for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c29so990364nfb for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:12:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.144.19 with SMTP id r19mr5171174nfd; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:12:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.57.3 with HTTP; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:12:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8d3f24ab0606261812r7906d516i43fb3edaddf4c836@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:12:46 -0400 From: "Teresa Thomas" To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: HTTP handling MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_59458_14816789.1151370766217" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.874 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.759, BAYES_05=-1.11, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, HTML_00_10=0.795, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.874 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 10:05:29 -0400 X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 01:12:49 -0000 ------=_Part_59458_14816789.1151370766217 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I am making an Evolution plugin that enable it to synchrized with the Google calendar. As part of this, I will need to do some HTTP handling, create and send requests, receive and interpret responses etc. Does anyone know any libraries that can aid in doing this? I was looking in libgHTTP, but it does not have any helpful documentation. Would be grateful is anyone has any suggestions or more information on libgHTTP. Thanks! ------=_Part_59458_14816789.1151370766217 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I am making an Evolution plugin that enable it to synchrized with the Google calendar. As part of this, I will need to do some HTTP handling, create and send requests, receive and interpret responses etc.  Does anyone know any libraries that can aid in doing this?

I was looking in libgHTTP, but it does not have any helpful documentation. Would be grateful is anyone has any suggestions or more information on libgHTTP.

Thanks! ------=_Part_59458_14816789.1151370766217-- From james.henstridge@gmail.com Tue Jun 27 21:16:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C47D3B006D for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 21:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23438-06 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 21:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.194]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 903873B0002 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 21:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id s15so7262wxc for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:15:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.14.3 with SMTP id 3mr463202wxn; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.60.15 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 09:15:43 +0800 From: "James Henstridge" Sender: james.henstridge@gmail.com To: "Teresa Thomas" Subject: Re: HTTP handling In-Reply-To: <8d3f24ab0606261812r7906d516i43fb3edaddf4c836@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <8d3f24ab0606261812r7906d516i43fb3edaddf4c836@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1fcbc1542e59da0e X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.492 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.092, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.492 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 01:16:38 -0000 On 27/06/06, Teresa Thomas wrote: > I am making an Evolution plugin that enable it to synchrized with the Google > calendar. As part of this, I will need to do some HTTP handling, create and > send requests, receive and interpret responses etc. Does anyone know any > libraries that can aid in doing this? > > I was looking in libgHTTP, but it does not have any helpful documentation. > Would be grateful is anyone has any suggestions or more information on > libgHTTP. You should probably look at libsoup. It is already a dependency of Evolution and can integrate into the GTK event loop. James. From blizzard@redhat.com Wed Jun 28 14:38:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56F5A3B02CE for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:38:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27566-03 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:38:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6D213B0443 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5SIcMYO002458; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:38:22 -0400 Received: from pobox.corp.redhat.com (pobox.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.156]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5SIcHwp015222; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:38:17 -0400 Received: from [10.32.4.2] (vpn-4-2.stuttgart.redhat.com [10.32.4.2]) by pobox.corp.redhat.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k5SIcErt009469; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:38:15 -0400 Message-ID: <44A2CC66.1060408@redhat.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:37:26 -0400 From: Christopher Blizzard User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060613) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Henstridge Subject: Re: HTTP handling References: <8d3f24ab0606261812r7906d516i43fb3edaddf4c836@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.489 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.035, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_BG=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.489 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 03:00:44 -0400 Cc: Teresa Thomas , gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:38:25 -0000 James Henstridge wrote: > On 27/06/06, Teresa Thomas wrote: >> I am making an Evolution plugin that enable it to synchrized with the Google >> calendar. As part of this, I will need to do some HTTP handling, create and >> send requests, receive and interpret responses etc. Does anyone know any >> libraries that can aid in doing this? >> >> I was looking in libgHTTP, but it does not have any helpful documentation. >> Would be grateful is anyone has any suggestions or more information on >> libgHTTP. > > You should probably look at libsoup. It is already a dependency of > Evolution and can integrate into the GTK event loop. > Holy crap I wrote libghttp 10 years ago. Is it still in gnome-cvs? --Chris From qub333@gmail.com Thu Jun 29 12:17:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1D813B0198 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26273-02 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.177]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9B2A3B015A for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c30so284773pyc for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:17:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.20.14 with SMTP id x14mr1729106pyi; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:17:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.8.13 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:17:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <88d636060606290917p2c13063au799a399ce0821e2a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:17:01 -0400 From: kevin@kubasik.net Sender: qub333@gmail.com To: "Christopher Blizzard" Subject: Re: HTTP handling In-Reply-To: <44A2CC66.1060408@redhat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <8d3f24ab0606261812r7906d516i43fb3edaddf4c836@mail.gmail.com> <44A2CC66.1060408@redhat.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8858b1926ac684f4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.894 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.609, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, NO_REAL_NAME=0.961, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_BG=0.077, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -1.894 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:57:40 -0400 Cc: Teresa Thomas , gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:17:04 -0000 Hey, if libghttp is deprecisted, let the gnome sysadmin team know before the svn migration so it can be added to the list of "obsolete" modules. -Kevin Kubasik On 6/28/06, Christopher Blizzard wrote: > James Henstridge wrote: > > On 27/06/06, Teresa Thomas wrote: > >> I am making an Evolution plugin that enable it to synchrized with the > Google > >> calendar. As part of this, I will need to do some HTTP handling, create > and > >> send requests, receive and interpret responses etc. Does anyone know any > >> libraries that can aid in doing this? > >> > >> I was looking in libgHTTP, but it does not have any helpful > documentation. > >> Would be grateful is anyone has any suggestions or more information on > >> libgHTTP. > > > > You should probably look at libsoup. It is already a dependency of > > Evolution and can integrate into the GTK event loop. > > > > Holy crap I wrote libghttp 10 years ago. Is it still in gnome-cvs? > > --Chris > _______________________________________________ > gnome-hackers mailing list > gnome-hackers@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-hackers > -- Cheers, Kevin Kubasik http://kubasik.net/blog From blizzard@redhat.com Thu Jun 29 13:17:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25E0C3B00F5 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29605-10 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:17:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 236D43B007D for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:17:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5THHOBi026138; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:17:24 -0400 Received: from pobox.corp.redhat.com (pobox.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.156]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5THHOOL017821; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:17:24 -0400 Received: from [10.32.4.26] (vpn-4-26.stuttgart.redhat.com [10.32.4.26]) by pobox.corp.redhat.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k5THHNrt002155; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:17:23 -0400 Message-ID: <44A40B19.6050908@redhat.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:17:13 -0400 From: Christopher Blizzard User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060613) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kevin@kubasik.net Subject: Re: HTTP handling References: <8d3f24ab0606261812r7906d516i43fb3edaddf4c836@mail.gmail.com> <44A2CC66.1060408@redhat.com> <88d636060606290917p2c13063au799a399ce0821e2a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <88d636060606290917p2c13063au799a399ce0821e2a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.455 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.008, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_BG=0.077, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.455 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:57:40 -0400 Cc: Teresa Thomas , gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:17:27 -0000 Probably should be. How do I contact them? --Chris kevin@kubasik.net wrote: > Hey, if libghttp is deprecisted, let the gnome sysadmin team know > before the svn migration so it can be added to the list of "obsolete" > modules. > > -Kevin Kubasik > > On 6/28/06, Christopher Blizzard wrote: >> James Henstridge wrote: >> > On 27/06/06, Teresa Thomas wrote: >> >> I am making an Evolution plugin that enable it to synchrized with the >> Google >> >> calendar. As part of this, I will need to do some HTTP handling, >> create >> and >> >> send requests, receive and interpret responses etc. Does anyone >> know any >> >> libraries that can aid in doing this? >> >> >> >> I was looking in libgHTTP, but it does not have any helpful >> documentation. >> >> Would be grateful is anyone has any suggestions or more information on >> >> libgHTTP. >> > >> > You should probably look at libsoup. It is already a dependency of >> > Evolution and can integrate into the GTK event loop. >> > >> >> Holy crap I wrote libghttp 10 years ago. Is it still in gnome-cvs? >> >> --Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> gnome-hackers mailing list >> gnome-hackers@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-hackers >> > > From kmaraas@broadpark.no Thu Jun 29 17:26:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60C813B02AB for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09576-09 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osl1smout1.broadpark.no (osl1smout1.broadpark.no [80.202.4.58]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D64FF3B02A2 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osl1sminn1.broadpark.no ([80.202.4.59]) by osl1smout1.broadpark.no (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.05 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J1N003O94W9B480@osl1smout1.broadpark.no> for gnome-hackers@gnome.org; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 23:26:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.0.0.76] ([84.48.76.97]) by osl1sminn1.broadpark.no (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.05 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J1N005IR4W9FD80@osl1sminn1.broadpark.no> for gnome-hackers@gnome.org; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 23:26:33 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 23:26:33 +0200 From: Kjartan Maraas Subject: Re: HTTP handling In-reply-to: <44A40B19.6050908@redhat.com> To: Christopher Blizzard Message-id: <1151616393.2825.3.camel@rivendell> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.3 (2.7.3-5) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <8d3f24ab0606261812r7906d516i43fb3edaddf4c836@mail.gmail.com> <44A2CC66.1060408@redhat.com> <88d636060606290917p2c13063au799a399ce0821e2a@mail.gmail.com> <44A40B19.6050908@redhat.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.905 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.540, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_BG=0.077, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -1.905 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 18:03:45 -0400 Cc: Teresa Thomas , gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:26:40 -0000 tor, 29,.06.2006 kl. 13.17 -0400, skrev Christopher Blizzard: > Probably should be. How do I contact them? > I think it was moved to the retirement home last time we cleaned house. Maybe the developer site is still referencing it somewhere? /me googles d.g.o...there's a gnome-http folder there in viewcvs, but it looks empty. Maybe we need to remove the empty folder as well? Cheers Kjartan > --Chris > > kevin@kubasik.net wrote: > > Hey, if libghttp is deprecisted, let the gnome sysadmin team know > > before the svn migration so it can be added to the list of "obsolete" > > modules. > > > > -Kevin Kubasik > > > > On 6/28/06, Christopher Blizzard wrote: > >> James Henstridge wrote: > >> > On 27/06/06, Teresa Thomas wrote: > >> >> I am making an Evolution plugin that enable it to synchrized with the > >> Google > >> >> calendar. As part of this, I will need to do some HTTP handling, > >> create > >> and > >> >> send requests, receive and interpret responses etc. Does anyone > >> know any > >> >> libraries that can aid in doing this? > >> >> > >> >> I was looking in libgHTTP, but it does not have any helpful > >> documentation. > >> >> Would be grateful is anyone has any suggestions or more information on > >> >> libgHTTP. > >> > > >> > You should probably look at libsoup. It is already a dependency of > >> > Evolution and can integrate into the GTK event loop. > >> > > >> > >> Holy crap I wrote libghttp 10 years ago. Is it still in gnome-cvs? > >> > >> --Chris > >> _______________________________________________ > >> gnome-hackers mailing list > >> gnome-hackers@gnome.org > >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-hackers > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-hackers mailing list > gnome-hackers@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-hackers From blizzard@redhat.com Thu Jun 29 21:10:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EB253B000D for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:10:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18454-04 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A0873B006A for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5U1AIhK003119; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:10:18 -0400 Received: from pobox.corp.redhat.com (pobox.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.156]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5U1AI82018694; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:10:18 -0400 Received: from [10.32.4.7] (vpn-4-7.stuttgart.redhat.com [10.32.4.7]) by pobox.corp.redhat.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k5U1AFQW022923; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:10:16 -0400 Message-ID: <44A479E5.8030706@redhat.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:09:57 -0400 From: Christopher Blizzard User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060613) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kjartan Maraas Subject: Re: HTTP handling References: <8d3f24ab0606261812r7906d516i43fb3edaddf4c836@mail.gmail.com> <44A2CC66.1060408@redhat.com> <88d636060606290917p2c13063au799a399ce0821e2a@mail.gmail.com> <44A40B19.6050908@redhat.com> <1151616393.2825.3.camel@rivendell> In-Reply-To: <1151616393.2825.3.camel@rivendell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.454 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.007, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_BG=0.077, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 00:35:57 -0400 Cc: Teresa Thomas , gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 01:10:22 -0000 Up to you guys. I just work here. :) --Chris Kjartan Maraas wrote: > tor, 29,.06.2006 kl. 13.17 -0400, skrev Christopher Blizzard: >> Probably should be. How do I contact them? >> > I think it was moved to the retirement home last time we cleaned house. > > Maybe the developer site is still referencing it somewhere? /me googles > d.g.o...there's a gnome-http folder there in viewcvs, but it looks > empty. Maybe we need to remove the empty folder as well? > > Cheers > Kjartan > >> --Chris >> >> kevin@kubasik.net wrote: >>> Hey, if libghttp is deprecisted, let the gnome sysadmin team know >>> before the svn migration so it can be added to the list of "obsolete" >>> modules. >>> >>> -Kevin Kubasik >>> >>> On 6/28/06, Christopher Blizzard wrote: >>>> James Henstridge wrote: >>>>> On 27/06/06, Teresa Thomas wrote: >>>>>> I am making an Evolution plugin that enable it to synchrized with the >>>> Google >>>>>> calendar. As part of this, I will need to do some HTTP handling, >>>> create >>>> and >>>>>> send requests, receive and interpret responses etc. Does anyone >>>> know any >>>>>> libraries that can aid in doing this? >>>>>> >>>>>> I was looking in libgHTTP, but it does not have any helpful >>>> documentation. >>>>>> Would be grateful is anyone has any suggestions or more information on >>>>>> libgHTTP. >>>>> You should probably look at libsoup. It is already a dependency of >>>>> Evolution and can integrate into the GTK event loop. >>>>> >>>> Holy crap I wrote libghttp 10 years ago. Is it still in gnome-cvs? >>>> >>>> --Chris >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> gnome-hackers mailing list >>>> gnome-hackers@gnome.org >>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-hackers >>>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> gnome-hackers mailing list >> gnome-hackers@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-hackers > From the prior art department: compare with RFC 2026. I think the time for review is too short. It might be OK for people who are working full time on Gnome, but it won't be enough for people who have another job. It's possible that somebody who isn't directly involved in Gnome would want to review the proposal (because somebody who is involved asked him/her to, for example), but it might be impossible on such schedule. Furteher, if the RFP author thinks the reviewing period should be longer, then it should be longer. So I propose something like "the reviewing period will be determined by the RFP owner, but it shuld not be shorter than two weeks." That's for "fast-track approval, if no controversy" section. Other time constraints should also be at least two weeks. I don't see why several persons couldn't author an RFP. I don't know if that should be explicitely written. An objection to "A small group of relevant maintainers finalizes the RFP." It should be "A small group of interested parties." One doesn't have to be Gnome module maintainer in order to posess usefull technical knowledge about the problem in question. I don't particularly like the voting stuff. The general tone implies that conflicts are expected and that consensus will be an exception. But if you want to go with rules like that, then there should be no gray areas. For example, the "List of responsible maintainers" section ends with: "The board will resolve all disputes regarding the list of responsible maintainers." How is the board going to do that? On what schedule? The results of board decision will obviously be public. But is the board required to write a public explanation? And why voting in the first place? Shouldn't the board be able to reach a consensus on this issue? > Two example topics we might use for a test run of the procedure are > this -config issue, and the sound server/API issue. Hm. How about testing it on the "GNOME Enhancement Procedure" proposal itself? -- .-. .-. Are you crying? No, I'm bleeding. (_ \ / _) | dave@arsdigita.com | From jdub@waugh.id.au Thu Jun 1 09:21:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DE8B3B0213 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05226-06 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C82713B017F for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (unknown [203.217.18.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FD9E3CDE7; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 23:21:05 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DC9CF40B4; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 23:20:52 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 23:20:52 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Message-ID: <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org, Ross Golder References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> Reply-By: Sun Jun 4 23:19:02 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.15-23-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 23:19:02 up 3:11, 5 users, load average: 0.04, 0.28, 0.83 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 09:43:00 -0400 Cc: Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 13:21:10 -0000 > As the various show-stoppers that prevented our previously scheduled > migration from going ahead have now been resolved, I am proposing that the > new migration go ahead at 23:59UTC on Friday 16th June 2006. Please let us > know a.s.a.p if that will be inconvenient for anyone. Ross, Can I suggest that we do the migration after GUADEC? I think it would be more useful for us to have reliable and known access to CVS through the week than be dealing with post-migration woes (as clean as it will be, there will be some hassles for everyone). Thanks, - Jeff -- GUADEC 2006: Vilanova i la Geltrú, Spain http://2006.guadec.org/ "So I'll have to talk about what I know instead. If you are so inclined, you may infer that I am totally oblivious to anything I don't talk about today." - Larry Wall From jdub@waugh.id.au Thu Jun 1 10:14:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18D383B0134 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10107-04 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90E843B00F7 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB9B13C310; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:14:53 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D695840B4; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:14:50 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:14:50 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Germ=E1n_Po=F3_Caama=F1o?= Message-ID: <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Germ=E1n_Po=F3_Caama=F1o?= , gnome-hackers@gnome.org References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.15-23-686 i686 Reply-By: Mon Jun 5 00:14:22 EST 2006 X-Uptime: 00:14:22 up 6 min, 5 users, load average: 0.26, 0.52, 0.31 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.445 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.019, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.445 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 14:14:56 -0000 > > Can I suggest that we do the migration after GUADEC? I think it would be > > more useful for us to have reliable and known access to CVS through the > > week than be dealing with post-migration woes (as clean as it will be, > > there will be some hassles for everyone). > > But also, GUADEC offers a good chance to get solved all those issues > quickly. Pretty sure we'd all rather be doing useful things than cleaning up, though! > May be a sort of 'Quick tour from CVS to SVN: tips and tricks' may be > given at GUADEC. We should do that anyway. :-) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "Well, you know us usability folks... We like to believe that the two aren't mutually exclusive." - Calum Benson on power and cleanliness From gpoo@ubiobio.cl Thu Jun 1 09:53:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBABC3B0D94 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:53:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08135-07 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:53:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ubiobio.cl (atlas.dci.ubiobio.cl [146.83.195.21]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 195D33B0D40 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:53:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by forward.ubiobio.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E689400325; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:51:57 -0400 (CLT) Received: from pegasus.dci.ubiobio.cl ([146.83.195.11]) by localhost (antivirus.dci.ubiobio.cl [146.83.195.21]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08131-81; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:51:56 -0400 (CLT) Received: from mimos.local (unknown [146.83.198.86]) by pegasus.dci.ubiobio.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B6542804423; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:53:25 -0400 (CLT) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Germ=E1n_Po=F3_Caama=F1o?= To: Jeff Waugh In-Reply-To: <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 09:53:30 -0400 Message-Id: <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at ubiobio.cl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.406 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.058, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.406 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:29:49 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 13:53:36 -0000 On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 23:20 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > As the various show-stoppers that prevented our previously scheduled > > migration from going ahead have now been resolved, I am proposing that the > > new migration go ahead at 23:59UTC on Friday 16th June 2006. Please let us > > know a.s.a.p if that will be inconvenient for anyone. > > Ross, > > Can I suggest that we do the migration after GUADEC? I think it would be > more useful for us to have reliable and known access to CVS through the week > than be dealing with post-migration woes (as clean as it will be, there will > be some hassles for everyone). But also, GUADEC offers a good chance to get solved all those issues quickly. May be a sort of 'Quick tour from CVS to SVN: tips and tricks' may be given at GUADEC. -- Germán Poó-Caamaño http://www.ubiobio.cl/~gpoo/ Concepción - Chile From carlos@gnome.org Thu Jun 1 10:22:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23DAA3B009D for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10509-10 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gandalf.pemas.net (wpc1544.amenworld.com [62.193.229.92]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94E4E3B023E for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gandalf.pemas.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B599117403B; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:21:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from gandalf.pemas.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (gandalf.pemas.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03329-09; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:21:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from aragorn.pemas.net (13.Red-88-15-198.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net [88.15.198.13]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gandalf.pemas.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1375E174009; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:21:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: by aragorn.pemas.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DD0EE2B08AF; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:22:39 +0200 (CEST) From: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= To: Jeff Waugh In-Reply-To: <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Organization: GNOME Foundation Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 16:22:39 +0200 Message-Id: <1149171759.5308.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at gandalf.pemas.net X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.387 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.387 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:29:49 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 14:22:53 -0000 El vie, 02-06-2006 a las 00:14 +1000, Jeff Waugh escribi=C3=B3: > >=20 > > > Can I suggest that we do the migration after GUADEC? I think it would= be > > > more useful for us to have reliable and known access to CVS through t= he > > > week than be dealing with post-migration woes (as clean as it will be= , > > > there will be some hassles for everyone). > >=20 > > But also, GUADEC offers a good chance to get solved all those issues > > quickly. >=20 > Pretty sure we'd all rather be doing useful things than cleaning up, thou= gh! >=20 > > May be a sort of 'Quick tour from CVS to SVN: tips and tricks' may be > > given at GUADEC. >=20 > We should do that anyway. :-) I should also point that this migration will break l10n-status.gnome.org, it only knows about cvs atm. Danilo is working on a cool new system that would be able to handle SVN, but I don't know if it would be ready at that time. Anyway, porting current sytem to use svn shouldn't be too difficult, but I would like to know if there is any public SVN server where we could test it. Cheers. >=20 > - Jeff From miguel@ximian.com Thu Jun 1 10:23:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA9B43B00F7 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10681-08 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from linux.site (c-24-218-111-14.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.218.111.14]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3312A3B024F for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:23:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by linux.site (Postfix, from userid 500) id 35AB56AE07; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:22:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Miguel de Icaza To: Jeff Waugh In-Reply-To: <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:22:02 -0400 Message-Id: <1149171722.12303.661.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.709 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.291, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=2.046] X-Spam-Score: -0.709 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:29:49 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 14:23:32 -0000 Hello, > > May be a sort of 'Quick tour from CVS to SVN: tips and tricks' may be > > given at GUADEC. We produced one when we did our own migration, and we updated it as the FAQs came in, feel free to borrow, cut and paste: http://www.mono-project.com/SVN#Using_SVN Miguel. From gpoo@ubiobio.cl Thu Jun 1 10:54:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F74F3B022E; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13499-06; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ubiobio.cl (atlas.dci.ubiobio.cl [146.83.195.21]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 741FD3B00F7; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by forward.ubiobio.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D0AE400324; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:53:12 -0400 (CLT) Received: from pegasus.dci.ubiobio.cl ([146.83.195.11]) by localhost (antivirus.dci.ubiobio.cl [146.83.195.21]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23025-25; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:53:09 -0400 (CLT) Received: from mimos.local (unknown [146.83.198.86]) by pegasus.dci.ubiobio.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E1712804424; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:54:39 -0400 (CLT) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Germ=E1n_Po=F3_Caama=F1o?= To: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= In-Reply-To: <1149171759.5308.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> <1149171759.5308.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:54:43 -0400 Message-Id: <1149173683.15278.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at ubiobio.cl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.369 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.018, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.369 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 11:10:12 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 14:54:45 -0000 On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 16:22 +0200, Carlos Perelló Marín wrote: > El vie, 02-06-2006 a las 00:14 +1000, Jeff Waugh escribió: > > > > > > > > Can I suggest that we do the migration after GUADEC? I think it would be > > > > more useful for us to have reliable and known access to CVS through the > > > > week than be dealing with post-migration woes (as clean as it will be, > > > > there will be some hassles for everyone). > > > > > > But also, GUADEC offers a good chance to get solved all those issues > > > quickly. > > > > Pretty sure we'd all rather be doing useful things than cleaning up, though! > > > > > May be a sort of 'Quick tour from CVS to SVN: tips and tricks' may be > > > given at GUADEC. > > > > We should do that anyway. :-) > > I should also point that this migration will break > l10n-status.gnome.org, it only knows about cvs atm. Good point. > Danilo is working on a cool new system that would be able to handle SVN, > but I don't know if it would be ready at that time. Anyway, porting > current sytem to use svn shouldn't be too difficult, but I would like to > know if there is any public SVN server where we could test it. http://svn.gnome.org/svn/[modulename] More information in http://live.gnome.org/Subversion Regards, -- Germán Poó-Caamaño http://www.ubiobio.cl/~gpoo/ Concepción - Chile From gpoo@ubiobio.cl Thu Jun 1 11:04:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F40DD3B02BC for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14377-04 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ubiobio.cl (atlas.dci.ubiobio.cl [146.83.195.21]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 964473B0262 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by forward.ubiobio.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 950E8400097; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:03:11 -0400 (CLT) Received: from pegasus.dci.ubiobio.cl ([146.83.195.11]) by localhost (antivirus.dci.ubiobio.cl [146.83.195.21]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23025-41; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:03:10 -0400 (CLT) Received: from mimos.local (unknown [146.83.198.86]) by pegasus.dci.ubiobio.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1DAF2804423; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:04:36 -0400 (CLT) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Germ=E1n_Po=F3_Caama=F1o?= To: Miguel de Icaza In-Reply-To: <1149171722.12303.661.camel@linux.site> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> <1149171722.12303.661.camel@linux.site> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 11:04:40 -0400 Message-Id: <1149174280.15278.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at ubiobio.cl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.408 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.056, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.408 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 11:10:12 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 15:04:54 -0000 On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 10:22 -0400, Miguel de Icaza wrote: > Hello, > > > > May be a sort of 'Quick tour from CVS to SVN: tips and tricks' may be > > > given at GUADEC. > > We produced one when we did our own migration, and we updated it as the > FAQs came in, feel free to borrow, cut and paste: > > http://www.mono-project.com/SVN#Using_SVN There is something similar in http://developer.gnome.org/tools/svn.html I don't think there will be any issue with normal uses cases (but you never know). I was thinking more on "what's new" or "being more productive", some exciting useful feature that is a pain or not possible using cvs. -- Germán Poó-Caamaño http://www.ubiobio.cl/~gpoo/ Concepción - Chile From davyd@madeley.id.au Thu Jun 1 11:22:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE1F3B0DEF for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15950-01 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:22:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oracle.bridgewayconsulting.com.au (oracle.bridgewayconsulting.com.au [203.56.14.38]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1C823B0DF2 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frobisher.local (cugglephone.madeley.id.au [203.56.15.217]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by oracle.bridgewayconsulting.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21C682E8004 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 23:21:11 +0800 (WST) From: Davyd Madeley To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 23:21:09 +0800 Message-Id: <1149175269.6871.61.camel@frobisher.madeley.id.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.479 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.015, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.479 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 11:52:22 -0400 Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 15:22:39 -0000 On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 00:14 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > May be a sort of 'Quick tour from CVS to SVN: tips and tricks' may be > > given at GUADEC. > > We should do that anyway. :-) I have offered to do something like this at GUADEC during some non-core time on IRC. I now offer here. --d -- Davyd Madeley http://www.davyd.id.au/ 08B0 341A 0B9B 08BB 2118 C060 2EDD BB4F 5191 6CDA From gpoo@ubiobio.cl Thu Jun 1 12:45:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C36703B0104 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21522-03 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ubiobio.cl (atlas.dci.ubiobio.cl [146.83.195.21]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C15C43B0EA2 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by forward.ubiobio.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 322184000BC; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:43:08 -0400 (CLT) Received: from pegasus.dci.ubiobio.cl ([146.83.195.11]) by localhost (antivirus.dci.ubiobio.cl [146.83.195.21]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06437-24; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:43:07 -0400 (CLT) Received: from mimos.local (unknown [146.83.198.86]) by pegasus.dci.ubiobio.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49FA92804423; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:44:36 -0400 (CLT) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Germ=E1n_Po=F3_Caama=F1o?= To: Davyd Madeley In-Reply-To: <1149175269.6871.61.camel@frobisher.madeley.id.au> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> <1149175269.6871.61.camel@frobisher.madeley.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 12:44:40 -0400 Message-Id: <1149180281.15278.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at ubiobio.cl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.41 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.054, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.41 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 16:45:07 -0000 On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 23:21 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote: > On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 00:14 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > May be a sort of 'Quick tour from CVS to SVN: tips and tricks' may be > > > given at GUADEC. > > > > We should do that anyway. :-) > > I have offered to do something like this at GUADEC during some non-core > time on IRC. I now offer here. IMO, the way to go is looking for a free space in the schedule an ask to the person in charge to be included there. http://guadec.org/GUADEC2006/schedule/WUW http://guadec.org/GUADEC2006/schedule/AHW http://guadec.org/GUADEC2006/schedule And advertise it. -- Germán Poó-Caamaño http://www.ubiobio.cl/~gpoo/ Concepción - Chile From ross@golder.org Fri Jun 2 09:59:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44C613B0480 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:59:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30672-06 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown [125.25.17.26]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7067E3B0468 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 500) id 80BC09FC5E; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:59:23 +0700 (ICT) From: Ross Golder To: Jeff Waugh In-Reply-To: <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 20:59:23 +0700 Message-Id: <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 13:59:42 -0000 On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 23:20 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > As the various show-stoppers that prevented our previously scheduled > > migration from going ahead have now been resolved, I am proposing that the > > new migration go ahead at 23:59UTC on Friday 16th June 2006. Please let us > > know a.s.a.p if that will be inconvenient for anyone. > > Ross, > > Can I suggest that we do the migration after GUADEC? I think it would be > more useful for us to have reliable and known access to CVS through the week > than be dealing with post-migration woes (as clean as it will be, there will > be some hassles for everyone). > > Thanks, > > - Jeff > How about this - I'll run another test migration on the 23rd, but won't actually make the switch. At least then, if anyone at GUADEC wants to play with or demonstrate anything related to subversion, at least they will get fairly up-to-date code. So, looking at the release schedule, it looks like the next best date would be July 14th. How would that be? -- Ross From jdub@waugh.id.au Fri Jun 2 10:09:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9CCF3B048D for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31323-03 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 380433B0487 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 516F13D869; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:09:24 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9C62A3F98; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:09:20 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:09:20 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: Ross Golder Message-ID: <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: Ross Golder , gnome-hackers@gnome.org References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> Reply-By: Tue Jun 6 00:08:39 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.15-23-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 00:08:39 up 1 day, 0 min, 7 users, load average: 0.08, 0.07, 0.13 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.446 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.018, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.446 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 14:09:26 -0000 > How about this - I'll run another test migration on the 23rd, but won't > actually make the switch. At least then, if anyone at GUADEC wants to play > with or demonstrate anything related to subversion, at least they will get > fairly up-to-date code. Awesome - good call. > So, looking at the release schedule, it looks like the next best date > would be July 14th. How would that be? Hrm, puts it out a bit, hey? I'm happy with that, though, if it's the first available time. Thanks! - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ From ross@golder.org Fri Jun 2 10:42:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 842F53B1178 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:42:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00864-04 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown [125.25.17.26]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEF933B1157 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 500) id 993B69FC5E; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:42:04 +0700 (ICT) From: Ross Golder To: Jeff Waugh In-Reply-To: <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:42:04 +0700 Message-Id: <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 14:42:23 -0000 On Sat, 2006-06-03 at 00:09 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > How about this - I'll run another test migration on the 23rd, but won't > > actually make the switch. At least then, if anyone at GUADEC wants to play > > with or demonstrate anything related to subversion, at least they will get > > fairly up-to-date code. > > Awesome - good call. > > > So, looking at the release schedule, it looks like the next best date > > would be July 14th. How would that be? > > Hrm, puts it out a bit, hey? I'm happy with that, though, if it's the first > available time. > I can do it sooner if there's a demand for it. I'd certainly be happier once it's done and dusted. For me, the 30th June would be good, but it seemed too soon after GUADEC - perhaps people will still have work in their CVS w/d left to commit? The 7th July falls before a couple of tarball deadlines, so might be inconvenient for maintainers if their module takes a while to migrate. The 16th July seems best, because there's not much else going on. I'm open to suggestions. It doesn't necessarily have to be done over a weekend either. -- Ross > Thanks! > > - Jeff > From murrayc@murrayc.com Fri Jun 2 14:22:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE9BB3B034B for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14259-01 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from swarthymail-a4.dreamhost.com (ip-208-97-132-53.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.53]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 377D93B0283 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from noname (p5497F668.dip.t-dialin.net [84.151.246.104]) by swarthymail-a4.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83F0D129A83; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:22:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Murray Cumming To: Ross Golder In-Reply-To: <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 20:22:43 +0200 Message-Id: <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.469 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.053, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.469 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 15:12:13 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 18:22:52 -0000 On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 21:42 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > On Sat, 2006-06-03 at 00:09 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > > > > How about this - I'll run another test migration on the 23rd, but won't > > > actually make the switch. At least then, if anyone at GUADEC wants to play > > > with or demonstrate anything related to subversion, at least they will get > > > fairly up-to-date code. > > > > Awesome - good call. > > > > > So, looking at the release schedule, it looks like the next best date > > > would be July 14th. How would that be? > > > > Hrm, puts it out a bit, hey? I'm happy with that, though, if it's the first > > available time. > > > > I can do it sooner if there's a demand for it. I'd certainly be happier > once it's done and dusted. > > For me, the 30th June would be good, but it seemed too soon after GUADEC > - perhaps people will still have work in their CVS w/d left to commit? > The 7th July falls before a couple of tarball deadlines, so might be > inconvenient for maintainers if their module takes a while to migrate. > The 16th July seems best, because there's not much else going on. > > I'm open to suggestions. It doesn't necessarily have to be done over a > weekend either. Probably there's a document somewhere, but do we have some official advice for how to branch when we are using svn, and will the old cvs branches be morphed into that system? As far as I understand, svn branches of modules are copies of that module in any old directory that you like (with svn presumably maintaining some link between the copies). I guess at the least we need to create the branches/gnome-2-*/ or similar directories early, and tell people to put their branches in their. Please excuse my ignorance on this. -- Murray Cumming murrayc@murrayc.com www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com From joeshaw@novell.com Mon Jun 5 11:36:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42E8C3B059A for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10485-06 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [130.57.169.10]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CC343B022A for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14585 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2006 15:36:40 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO posthaste.boston.ximian.com) (joe@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Jun 2006 15:36:40 -0000 From: Joe Shaw To: Murray Cumming In-Reply-To: <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 11:36:38 -0400 Message-Id: <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.439 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.117, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.439 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 11:41:15 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 15:36:47 -0000 Hi, On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 20:22 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > I guess at the least we need to create the branches/gnome-2-*/ or > similar directories early, and tell people to put their branches in > their. With svn we definitely have a lot more freedom in how we set up our branches and tags. So I think we should immediately limit that freedom by coming up with some conventions. :) I propose the following: Assuming we have some project on the trunk with the URL like so: http://svn.gnome.org/trunk/project Tags, I believe, should be in per-project directories, like so: http://svn.gnome.org/tags/project/PROJECT_1_0_0/project We don't have to keep using the "PROJECT_1_0_0" convention for tags with svn, but I think we probably should for compatibility and predictability. Likewise, we should do similarly for per-project branches: http://svn.gnome.org/branches/project/project-1-0-branch/project But for GNOME-wide branches, we should use the higher-level directory: http://svn.gnome.org/branches/gnome-2-16/project (For these, though, we should probably migrate them to the more aesthetic and correct "gnome-2.16" name, since there are fewer and they are easy to predict programmatically.) Joe From johan@gnome.org Mon Jun 5 11:52:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E30F3B04F6 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:52:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11615-01 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frodo.hserus.net (frodo.hserus.net [204.74.68.40]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9647B3B03E1 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br ([200.171.140.32]:39578 helo=anthem.async.com.br) by frodo.hserus.net with esmtps (Cipher TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.62 #0) id 1FnHNR-000EMq-Qn; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:22:27 +0530 Received: from [192.168.99.10] (jdahlin@walrus.async.com.br [192.168.99.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by anthem.async.com.br (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3ubuntu0.1) with ESMTP id k55FqLrT008207; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 12:52:21 -0300 Message-ID: <4484532B.4070109@gnome.org> Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 12:52:11 -0300 From: Johan Dahlin User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060420) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Shaw References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> In-Reply-To: <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.417 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.047, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.417 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 11:56:28 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 15:52:33 -0000 [..] > http://svn.gnome.org/trunk/project [..] > http://svn.gnome.org/tags/project/PROJECT_1_0_0/project [..] > http://svn.gnome.org/branches/project/project-1-0-branch/project [..] > http://svn.gnome.org/branches/gnome-2-16/project [..] All of these urls assumes that there will only be one repository for all the modules/projects. It is not possible to branch between repositories. It seems like (judging by the revision numbers found on svn.gnome.org) that it is currently done by having one repository per module/project. I'm in favor of having one big repository, which would allow this kind of aliasing. The main disadvantage is the big revision numbers (6 or 7 digits). Johan From james.henstridge@gmail.com Tue Jun 6 00:26:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 367133B0098 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 00:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21950-04 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 00:25:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.195]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E33FE3B009B for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 00:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id h29so870756wxd for ; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:25:49 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=jouzeSD7aYq1sBUoDqmIXp4hixDLwkL95R3LSv5zhNd/3K6+AB/qHGdtunntMG61kzdxRjyxxs/gzGvQ7Fd28AwyvyCrWvOu+OqE0SztW6n31CBdqui9bSmqFjOAYSwn0LaXA7a81KhM5KQXWhiQ1VOaS/FE0mxYpWTdnsIuz9Q= Received: by 10.70.44.17 with SMTP id r17mr7000311wxr; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:25:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.60.15 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 21:25:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:25:49 +0800 From: "James Henstridge" Sender: james.henstridge@gmail.com To: "Joe Shaw" In-Reply-To: <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: bfa39d2be695be2a X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.561 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.561 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 00:40:52 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 04:26:23 -0000 On 05/06/06, Joe Shaw wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 20:22 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > > I guess at the least we need to create the branches/gnome-2-*/ or > > similar directories early, and tell people to put their branches in > > their. > > With svn we definitely have a lot more freedom in how we set up our > branches and tags. So I think we should immediately limit that freedom > by coming up with some conventions. :) I propose the following: > > Assuming we have some project on the trunk with the URL like so: > > http://svn.gnome.org/trunk/project > > Tags, I believe, should be in per-project directories, like so: > > http://svn.gnome.org/tags/project/PROJECT_1_0_0/project > > We don't have to keep using the "PROJECT_1_0_0" convention for tags with > svn, but I think we probably should for compatibility and > predictability. > > Likewise, we should do similarly for per-project branches: > > http://svn.gnome.org/branches/project/project-1-0-branch/project > > But for GNOME-wide branches, we should use the higher-level directory: > > http://svn.gnome.org/branches/gnome-2-16/project > > (For these, though, we should probably migrate them to the more > aesthetic and correct "gnome-2.16" name, since there are fewer and they > are easy to predict programmatically.) The suggested layout for multi-module repositories from the Subversion book is actually: ./$project/trunk <- the mainline for development ./$project/branches/$branchname <- a branch of the project ./$project/tags/$tagname <- a tag of the project For cases where there is only a single module in the repository, they recommend leaving of the "$project/" bit at the start of the paths. What benefits does your layout give over the recommended layout? It looks like it would add complexity without making things easier to understand. James. From thomas@apestaart.org Tue Jun 6 06:04:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABA3E3B0750; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 06:04:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04145-08; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 06:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.es6.egwn.net (server02.es6.egwn.net [195.10.6.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BEAF3B014E; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 06:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.fr4.egwn.net (server07.fr4.egwn.net [62.39.85.77]) by mx1.es6.egwn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5F0C4F82E2; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:04:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.fr4.egwn.net (spiffy mail daemon) with ESMTP id 0D94183BE7; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:04:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mx1.fr4.egwn.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (server07.fr4.egwn.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16922-12; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:03:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from thread.fluendo.lan (core.fluendo.com [195.10.6.237]) by mx1.fr4.egwn.net (spiffy mail daemon) with ESMTP id C559583BE4; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:03:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from thomas.fluendo.lan (thomas.fluendo.lan [192.168.1.10]) by thread.fluendo.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EF06FFDB; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:03:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Thomas Vander Stichele To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 12:03:19 +0200 Message-Id: <1149588200.24971.3.camel@otto.amantes> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 (2.6.1-1.fc5.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned: By amavis at egwn.net X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.626 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.070, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, RCVD_IN_SBL=3.16] X-Spam-Score: 0.626 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 06:51:14 -0400 Cc: gnome-announce-list@gnome.org, devel-announce-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 10:04:10 -0000 On Tue, 2006-05-30 at 13:41 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > Hi, > > As the various show-stoppers that prevented our previously scheduled > migration from going ahead have now been resolved, I am proposing that > the new migration go ahead at 23:59UTC on Friday 16th June 2006. Please > let us know a.s.a.p if that will be inconvenient for anyone. It may be inconvenient for any hack sessions done at GUADEC if it leaves people with too little time to convert their laptop checkouts properly, or if anything goes wrong with the conversion. I don't know if that's important enough of a reason, but it'd be too bad if we'd be stifling the surge of activity at GUADEC. Thomas From joeshaw@novell.com Tue Jun 6 11:10:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CB523B08C7 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:10:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31679-07 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [130.57.169.10]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFC503B0229 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15534 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2006 15:10:02 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO posthaste.boston.ximian.com) (joe@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Jun 2006 15:10:02 -0000 From: Joe Shaw To: James Henstridge In-Reply-To: References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 11:10:01 -0400 Message-Id: <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.477 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.078, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.477 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 11:16:13 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 15:10:06 -0000 Hi, On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 12:25 +0800, James Henstridge wrote: > The suggested layout for multi-module repositories from the Subversion > book is actually: > > ./$project/trunk <- the mainline for development > ./$project/branches/$branchname <- a branch of the project > ./$project/tags/$tagname <- a tag of the project If we're using separate repos for each module, then my proposal doesn't really apply. Other than very high revision numbers and the ease of moving a project repository off of gnome.org to somewhere else later, what are the benefits of multiple repositories? > What benefits does your layout give over the recommended layout? It > looks like it would add complexity without making things easier to > understand. I don't really see any added complexity in there. It's essentially the system we have today with CVS. The main benefit is that you could check out the whole of gnome 2.N at once, rather than knowing what modules to check out and doing so one by one. For an automated tinderbox-like system, you could drop a single file at the root which lists the order in which to build the modules, and then you don't have to worry about *any* synchronization of the module list with tools outside of svn. Joe From jdub@waugh.id.au Tue Jun 6 11:30:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA40E3B0151 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:30:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00913-02 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 751413B028C for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1A943D251; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 01:30:50 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C3BB83F9C; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 01:30:44 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 01:30:44 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: Joe Shaw Message-ID: <20060606153044.GA5138@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: Joe Shaw , James Henstridge , gnome-hackers@gnome.org References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Reply-By: Sat Jun 10 01:29:40 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.15-23-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 01:29:40 up 5 days, 1:21, 10 users, load average: 0.25, 0.10, 0.10 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.447 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.447 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 15:30:58 -0000 > I don't really see any added complexity in there. It's essentially the > system we have today with CVS. Perhaps delaying this after GUADEC will provide another benefit: A good load of high social bandwidth discussion during GUADEC about how to go about it. :-) - Jeff -- GUADEC 2006: Vilanova i la Geltrú, Spain http://2006.guadec.org/ "I have a burning curiosity about everything, everything-- except country and western, of course." - David Bowie From rml@novell.com Tue Jun 6 11:52:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 267353B0225 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:52:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02354-08 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [130.57.169.10]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11A853B0AB0 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15604 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2006 15:52:06 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO betsy.boston.ximian.com) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Jun 2006 15:52:06 -0000 From: Robert Love To: Joe Shaw In-Reply-To: <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 11:52:21 -0400 Message-Id: <1149609141.31757.17.camel@betsy.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.482 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.083, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.482 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 12:21:54 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 15:52:11 -0000 On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 11:10 -0400, Joe Shaw wrote: > The main benefit is that you could check out the whole of gnome 2.N at > once, rather than knowing what modules to check out and doing so one by > one. For an automated tinderbox-like system, you could drop a single > file at the root which lists the order in which to build the modules, > and then you don't have to worry about *any* synchronization of the > module list with tools outside of svn. Building on this fabulous idea, we can snapshot and tag all of a GNOME release, too. All-modules-in-one-repo seems to be pretty much the norm. I'd die for that cause. Robert Love From james.henstridge@gmail.com Tue Jun 6 12:22:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAA393B014B for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:22:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04758-01 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.197]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AD5F3B0284 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:22:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so1455063wxd for ; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 09:22:42 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=q76PChRbDzmRBAOI+u2Qkyp38lWfCxt0EK9nkNtvnAQLDH6xu64Z6JGeo3zF+GabQ4nfE8u7NRwKbfTM+5OplZlzkXY2xMQGjVdvI9B+IgmZlcDguvt9bvmlZuroz7u+dbAdXlKBqOFJNheRCnzPjtPvBdldOtf5t3zgs7YRLIw= Received: by 10.70.14.9 with SMTP id 9mr7771150wxn; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 09:22:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.60.15 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 09:22:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 00:22:42 +0800 From: "James Henstridge" Sender: james.henstridge@gmail.com To: "Joe Shaw" In-Reply-To: <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3439076e4a7f8d61 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.588 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.012, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.588 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 13:21:18 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 16:22:47 -0000 On 06/06/06, Joe Shaw wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 12:25 +0800, James Henstridge wrote: > > The suggested layout for multi-module repositories from the Subversion > > book is actually: > > > > ./$project/trunk <- the mainline for development > > ./$project/branches/$branchname <- a branch of the project > > ./$project/tags/$tagname <- a tag of the project > > If we're using separate repos for each module, then my proposal doesn't > really apply. Other than very high revision numbers and the ease of > moving a project repository off of gnome.org to somewhere else later, > what are the benefits of multiple repositories? You'd have to ask Ross about why we're using multiple repositories. There definitely are benefits to hosting multiple projects within a single repo. Subversion doesn't really handle interactions between repositories so code in separate repos are quite isolated. It is also less effort to add a new module to a repo (compared with creating new Subversion repositories, which will probably require sysadmin intervention). On the other hand, multiple repositories probably scale better since there will be less lock contention. I'm not sure how much of a problem lock contention would be though. > > What benefits does your layout give over the recommended layout? It > > looks like it would add complexity without making things easier to > > understand. > > I don't really see any added complexity in there. It's essentially the > system we have today with CVS. Really? The layout described in the Subversion book seems like a closer analogue to what we do in CVS. > The main benefit is that you could check out the whole of gnome 2.N at > once, rather than knowing what modules to check out and doing so one by > one. For an automated tinderbox-like system, you could drop a single > file at the root which lists the order in which to build the modules, > and then you don't have to worry about *any* synchronization of the > module list with tools outside of svn. Who would be allowed to create branches in this repo-wide "gnome 2.N" branch directory? Only stuff that is part of desktop and developer platform? Everything that creates branches to target particular Gnome releases? It seems that checking out one of these repo-wide "gnome 2.N" directories would end up pulling either too many or too few modules for any particular use. It is also worth noting that there will always be important parts of the Gnome module stack that are outside of our Subversion repository. For example, the recent GTK printing work depended on new features in Cairo. With your system without maintaining an import of cairo into the Gnome Subversion repo, which would be a maintenance nightmare. James. From joeshaw@novell.com Tue Jun 6 12:52:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71DE13B0090 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06467-04 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [130.57.169.10]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 383C93B0197 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15669 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2006 16:52:16 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO posthaste.boston.ximian.com) (joe@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Jun 2006 16:52:16 -0000 From: Joe Shaw To: James Henstridge In-Reply-To: References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 12:52:15 -0400 Message-Id: <1149612735.3790.71.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.477 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.078, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.477 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 13:21:18 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 16:52:18 -0000 Hi, On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 00:22 +0800, James Henstridge wrote: > On 06/06/06, Joe Shaw wrote: > > I don't really see any added complexity in there. It's essentially the > > system we have today with CVS. > > Really? The layout described in the Subversion book seems like a > closer analogue to what we do in CVS. Are you referring to this? http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch04s07.html Assuming one large repo, the only difference between my proposal and the book's is that there is an extra directory level in the branches (or tags) directory for each project. That way one doesn't have to wade through every tag or branch name for every project. In that sense it's more like CVS now: tags and branches are private per module. For example: /repos/calc/branches/my-calc-branch would most likely in an equivalent single repo setup be: /repos/branches/my-calc-branch My proposal is: /repos/branches/calc/my-calc-branch That way, when you really want to see just the calc branches you can go to /repo/branches/calc and not also see all the "paint" branches. The one exception is for any repo-wide branches, like a GNOME release. > Who would be allowed to create branches in this repo-wide "gnome 2.N" > branch directory? Only stuff that is part of desktop and developer > platform? Everything that creates branches to target particular Gnome > releases? It could require a change in workflow, perhaps negatively. People would have to branch at release time, rather than delaying it until they're ready for unstable development. And checking into the branch and the trunk is a PITA. But it's probably something that warrants discussion. But to answer the question, I'd assume that module maintainers who branch now would simply copy their modules into the branch directory. Perhaps it could be done by someone on the release team at release-time. > It is also worth noting that there will always be important parts of > the Gnome module stack that are outside of our Subversion repository. > For example, the recent GTK printing work depended on new features in > Cairo. With your system without maintaining an import of cairo into > the Gnome Subversion repo, which would be a maintenance nightmare. True, but any automated build tool needs to handle out-of-tree dependencies anyway. Reducing the maintenance for our part somewhat is preferable to reducing it none, IMO. Joe From james.henstridge@gmail.com Tue Jun 6 22:46:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C81853B0072 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 22:46:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06342-06 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 22:46:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.202]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 616233B00E6 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 22:46:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so121062wxd for ; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 19:46:38 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YP+HN5cUgne/11IeotaSjwmb5U7n4Wx8Hn1qmTWFNOmZSguJiJ7ql1v6/iVM1D05QTPNfXOzZhtHXtC499OJjVSpU4gLHex7cu+p+ogh2yAwTlG5JpuRsLZrROwO5NQYsqvcvrXr1wC6H1ZhQEq1ZFILUR01V8uyliQGHZCgemo= Received: by 10.70.36.1 with SMTP id j1mr61175wxj; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 19:46:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.60.15 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 19:46:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:46:38 +0800 From: "James Henstridge" To: "Joe Shaw" In-Reply-To: <1149612735.3790.71.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <1149612735.3790.71.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.523 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_JH=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 03:36:55 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 02:46:42 -0000 On 07/06/06, Joe Shaw wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 00:22 +0800, James Henstridge wrote: > > On 06/06/06, Joe Shaw wrote: > > > I don't really see any added complexity in there. It's essentially the > > > system we have today with CVS. > > > > Really? The layout described in the Subversion book seems like a > > closer analogue to what we do in CVS. > > Are you referring to this? > > http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch04s07.html Yes. That page of the book also links to this page, which goes into a bit more detail: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch05s04.html > > Assuming one large repo, the only difference between my proposal and the > book's is that there is an extra directory level in the branches (or > tags) directory for each project. That way one doesn't have to wade > through every tag or branch name for every project. In that sense it's > more like CVS now: tags and branches are private per module. You are suggesting having toplevel trunk, branches and tags directories in the repository, while the book suggests having separate trunk, branches and tags directories under each project root in the repository. A lot of the differences between the suggested layout and your proposed layout seem to stem from trying to make that layout usable (e.g. keeping the branches directory manageable). > For example: > > /repos/calc/branches/my-calc-branch > > would most likely in an equivalent single repo setup be: > > /repos/branches/my-calc-branch > > My proposal is: > > /repos/branches/calc/my-calc-branch If "/repos" is the Subversion repository, then the book actually suggests you use: /repos/calc/branches/my-calc-branch (so everything related to "calc" is under a single directory in the repository). > > That way, when you really want to see just the calc branches you can go > to /repo/branches/calc and not also see all the "paint" branches. > > The one exception is for any repo-wide branches, like a GNOME release. I am not convinced that there are many benefits to storing the all Gnome 2.N branches under a separate directory. It would effectively hide them when browsing through the other branches of each individual module. > > Who would be allowed to create branches in this repo-wide "gnome 2.N" > > branch directory? Only stuff that is part of desktop and developer > > platform? Everything that creates branches to target particular Gnome > > releases? > > It could require a change in workflow, perhaps negatively. People would > have to branch at release time, rather than delaying it until they're > ready for unstable development. And checking into the branch and the > trunk is a PITA. But it's probably something that warrants discussion. > > But to answer the question, I'd assume that module maintainers who > branch now would simply copy their modules into the branch directory. > Perhaps it could be done by someone on the release team at release-time. > > > It is also worth noting that there will always be important parts of > > the Gnome module stack that are outside of our Subversion repository. > > For example, the recent GTK printing work depended on new features in > > Cairo. With your system without maintaining an import of cairo into > > the Gnome Subversion repo, which would be a maintenance nightmare. > > True, but any automated build tool needs to handle out-of-tree > dependencies anyway. Reducing the maintenance for our part somewhat is > preferable to reducing it none, IMO. Well, I plan to continue maintaining the Gnome module set definitions for jhbuild in Subversion, which is essentially the information you propose storing in the repo. It is fairly agnostic to the exact layout used in the repo, so wouldn't really benefit from a gnome release-wide branches subdirectory. James. From ross@golder.org Thu Jun 15 04:35:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 705033B03BD; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 04:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23205-02; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 04:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F7CF3B017A; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 04:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D2AD40AB; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:35:21 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xhk2B6x-5+T6; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:35:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from red (unknown [125.24.64.59]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70C123FE2; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:35:13 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) From: Ross Golder To: Johan Dahlin In-Reply-To: <4484532B.4070109@gnome.org> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <4484532B.4070109@gnome.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 15:34:36 +0700 Message-Id: <1150360476.7547.65.camel@red> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.471 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.128, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.471 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 08:35:25 -0000 On Mon, 2006-06-05 at 12:52 -0300, Johan Dahlin wrote: > [..] > > http://svn.gnome.org/trunk/project > [..] > > http://svn.gnome.org/tags/project/PROJECT_1_0_0/project > [..] > > http://svn.gnome.org/branches/project/project-1-0-branch/project > [..] > > http://svn.gnome.org/branches/gnome-2-16/project > [..] > > All of these urls assumes that there will only be one repository for all the > modules/projects. It is not possible to branch between repositories. > > It seems like (judging by the revision numbers found on svn.gnome.org) that > it is currently done by having one repository per module/project. > Indeed. One repository per module is the way I have been doing it. > I'm in favor of having one big repository, which would allow this kind of > aliasing. The main disadvantage is the big revision numbers (6 or 7 digits). > I can see there are plenty of good arguments for and against the three main approaches (single, multiple and mixed) described in the 'Choosing a Repository Layout' section of the manual . However, I still feel that the multiple repositories approach will work best for GNOME. I think being able to import/export and control (e.g. hook scripts, revision numbers, branches/tags etc) at a module level is the best approach. Eventually most monolithic things get broken down and modularised anyway, so IMHO we might as well start broken down (pretty much as we are now) and build up. The way the migration script works at the moment is that all modules will have a separate repository, with their own hook scripts etc. I particularly want this feature, so I can set up automatic e-mails for *only* commits on modules for which I am maintainer, without having to subscribe to the dirty great 'svn-commits-list'. Also, the migration script adds a call to a global shared hook-script, containing the 'svn-commits-list' hook among others. Also, it means projects can move to/from the GNOME subversion service more easily (without having to integrate/extract themselves from a monolithic repository). And, if one module gets corrupted or something, the whole repository doesn't become stalled. As for project-wide release tags (e.g. GNOME-2-14 etc), I can see that it's a tempting feature, but would it really give us a day-to-day advantage over individual repositories all using a common branch-name conversion to identify them? I'm imagining that a simple 'for...' loop for a given set of repositories would suffice in most cases. Also, historical project release branches/tags will probably be fragmented anyway where the different module maintainers haven't all used the same branching/tagging case and underscore/hyphen conventions. I'd be interested to hear the release team's view on whether a monolithic repo would really make their lives much easier. Anyway, if I'm way off the mark, and people really do think a monolithic repository (or even a mixed one, where we have a repository per group of packages) is the correct way forward, I'll happily cancel the upcoming migration again until someone can come up with a more suitable strategy :) Cheers, -- Ross > Johan > _______________________________________________ > gnome-hackers mailing list > gnome-hackers@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-hackers From vuntz@gnome.org Thu Jun 15 05:17:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DDF83B032F; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 05:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25231-04; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 05:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8D353B0270; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 05:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 33) id 05FEE112692; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:17:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 193.253.45.67 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vuntz) by vuntz.net with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:17:23 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <33333.193.253.45.67.1150363043.squirrel@vuntz.net> In-Reply-To: <1150360476.7547.65.camel@red> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <4484532B.4070109@gnome.org> <1150360476.7547.65.camel@red> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:17:23 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) From: "Vincent Untz" To: "Ross Golder" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.561 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.561 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:17:29 -0000 On Thu, June 15, 2006 10:34, Ross Golder wrote: > I'd be interested to hear the release team's view on whether a > monolithic repo would really make their lives much easier. My really humble opinion (since I'm no expert) is that I agree with you on nearly everything. The per-module hooks are a killer feature for me. Just my €0.02, since you asked for feedback ;-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From joeshaw@novell.com Thu Jun 15 12:26:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4681F3B0482 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 12:26:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22443-01 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 12:26:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [130.57.169.10]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA4413B0434 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 12:26:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 25036 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2006 16:25:53 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO posthaste.boston.ximian.com) (joe@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 Jun 2006 16:25:53 -0000 Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) From: Joe Shaw To: Ross Golder In-Reply-To: <1150360476.7547.65.camel@red> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <4484532B.4070109@gnome.org> <1150360476.7547.65.camel@red> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 12:25:53 -0400 Message-Id: <1150388753.19002.55.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.439 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.117, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, TW_JH=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.439 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:26:26 -0000 Hi, On Thu, 2006-06-15 at 15:34 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > Indeed. One repository per module is the way I have been doing it. Ok, I have no real strong opinion on it. One large repo is just what I'm more used to (Mono). > However, I still feel that the multiple repositories approach will work > best for GNOME. I trust your judgement. :) > As for project-wide release tags (e.g. GNOME-2-14 etc), I can see that > it's a tempting feature, but would it really give us a day-to-day > advantage over individual repositories all using a common branch-name > conversion to identify them? I guess people these days mainly use jhbuild for large GNOME builds, so maybe it's not remotely as interesting as I think it is. Is that what the tinderboxes are using? Maybe blessing jhbuild as "gnome-build" or whatever would put me more at ease. It just seems to me that our build processes are very ad-hoc. Maybe they're not documented well, maybe they work fine and don't need to be. I don't know, I am just rambling at this point. > Anyway, if I'm way off the mark, and people really do think a monolithic > repository (or even a mixed one, where we have a repository per group of > packages) is the correct way forward, I'll happily cancel the upcoming > migration again until someone can come up with a more suitable > strategy :) Oh please no. You're doing a great job and I am dying waiting for svn. Joe From jdub@waugh.id.au Thu Jun 15 14:07:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFF4E3B035A for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26251-08 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CA3D3B02DA for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B1C3C75B for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 04:07:12 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8B1B63F55; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 04:07:02 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 04:07:02 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) 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X-Uptime: 04:06:51 up 14 days, 3:58, 7 users, load average: 0.06, 0.05, 0.01 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.015, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:07:51 -0000 > Oh please no. You're doing a great job and I am dying waiting for svn. SAVE JOE SHAW! - Jeff -- GUADEC 2006: Vilanova i la Geltrú, Spain http://2006.guadec.org/ "Old timers will tell you what a pain unstable was during the new testament transition." - Jon Corbet on Debian's KJV packages From behdad.esfahbod@gmail.com Thu Jun 15 17:38:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFECA3B00DD for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:38:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01988-05 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.238]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E19AC3B0011 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 37so427824wra for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:38:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.108.13 with SMTP id g13mr2187733wrc; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:38:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.190.5? ( [72.136.156.47]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 6sm1544376wrl.2006.06.15.14.38.10; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:38:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Women's Summer Outreach Program 2006 From: Behdad Esfahbod To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org, foundation-list@gnome.org, foundation-announce@gnome.org, gnome-announce-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:38:06 -0400 Message-Id: <1150407487.29623.12.camel@home> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 (2.6.1-1.fc5.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: Behdad Esfahbod X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 00:52:22 -0400 X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 21:38:49 -0000 GNOME to Sponsor Female Developers in a Summer Outreach Program BOSTON, Mass - June 13, 2006 - The GNOME Foundation is offering USD$9000 to female students in order to promote the participation of women in GNOME-related development. The money originates from GNOME's participation in the Google "Summer of Code" program (code.google.com/soc/), for which GNOME developers will mentor 20 students working throughout the northern summer on GNOME-related projects. This year GNOME received 181 applications to Google's program, yet none were from women. The GNOME Foundation has therefore chosen to reinvest Google's contribution into a new program designed to increase the participation of women in GNOME. The program has no official relationship with Google. "Free software prides itself on being open to anyone with a good idea, yet less than 2% of free software developers are female. We, as a community, need to be actively working to change this statistic, and programs like this one are a much needed step in the right direction." said Hanna Wallach, a GNOME developer who is involved in several projects that encourage women to participate in free software development. The Women's Summer Outreach Program is currently accepting applications from female students. Accepted students will receive a stipend of USD $3000 over a two month period. A pool of project ideas is provided at www.gnome.org/projects/wsop/, though original proposals are also encouraged. Projects may either be related to GNOME directly, or indirectly via projects such as Gstreamer and Abiword. Each student will be assigned a mentor to provide guidance throughout the program. Vincent Untz, member of the GNOME Foundation board and coordinator of the GNOME team for Google's "Summer of Code" program, explained: "Many women have the skills required to contribute to Free Software projects like GNOME, but may not see an opportunity to start working with us. By initiating this program, not only do we want to highlight the issue, but we also hope that this opportunity will help more women to get involved in the long term." Applications should be submitted using the form at www.gnome.org/projects/wsop/. More information about the application process may be found at the same location. From spam@pvanhoof.be Mon Jun 19 05:20:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41F683B00C8 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:20:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01630-10 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.freax.org (mail.freax.org [86.39.154.66]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CAC83B008F for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.freax.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A482AE7978 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:14:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.freax.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.freax.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Grg-lfHk-2tw for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:14:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from lort.newtec.be (mailhost.newtec.be [62.58.98.194]) (using SSLv3 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.freax.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68EE1E7977 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:14:38 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off is Fri 14 July) From: Philip Van Hoof To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1150446423.17466.26.camel@red> References: <1150446423.17466.26.camel@red> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:19:06 +0200 Message-Id: <1150708746.5359.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.419 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.047, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.419 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 06:26:47 -0400 X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 09:20:17 -0000 On Fri, 2006-06-16 at 15:27 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > How about this - I'll run another test migration on the 23rd, but won't > > actually make the switch. At least then, if anyone at GUADEC wants to > > play with or demonstrate anything related to subversion, at least they > > will get fairly up-to-date code. Hey Ross, Thanks for taking care of the Subversion transition. In my opinion we certainly need an upgrade of our repository software. Subversion is a good choice. I'm wondering whether new projects that haven't yet been in the GNOME CVS repository can enter the new Subversion repository sooner? I'm also wondering whether it will be possible to handover the sysadmins the resulting dump file of a "svnadmin dump"? ps. I'm indeed planning to let the tinymail repository get hosted by the upcoming GNOME Subversion infrastructure. Thanks -- Philip Van Hoof, software developer at x-tend home: me at pvanhoof dot be gnome: pvanhoof at gnome dot org work: vanhoof at x-tend dot be http://www.pvanhoof.be - http://www.x-tend.be From ross@golder.org Mon Jun 19 10:05:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BEB13B0014 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14538-09 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:05:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0918D3B0017 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D69B4A91; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:38:58 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BA3l6Mx+TfZ4; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:38:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from [10.174.248.19] (unknown [203.170.228.172]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE1A340DD; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:38:44 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off is Fri 14 July) From: Ross Golder To: Philip Van Hoof In-Reply-To: <1150708746.5359.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1150446423.17466.26.camel@red> <1150708746.5359.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:37:53 +0700 Message-Id: <1150724273.9923.18.camel@red> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.536 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.505, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558] X-Spam-Score: -0.536 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:05:24 -0000 On Mon, 2006-06-19 at 11:19 +0200, Philip Van Hoof wrote: > On Fri, 2006-06-16 at 15:27 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > I'm wondering whether new projects that haven't yet been in the GNOME > CVS repository can enter the new Subversion repository sooner? I'm also > wondering whether it will be possible to handover the sysadmins the > resulting dump file of a "svnadmin dump"? > Sorry, no, we're not planning to support any Subversion services until the migration cut-off. The sysadmin team don't want to be in a position of having to support multiple version control systems simultaneously, there is a technical issue that means it wouldn't be straightforward to set up, and it'll make the live migration more confusing for me too! After the migration, it shouldn't be a problem to just send a compressed dump of your subversion repository to 'support@gnome.org' and we'll install it. Obviously, it'll have to follow the usual guidelines for new modules, as I'm sure yours do :) http://live.gnome.org/ProjectPrerequisites -- Ross From tere.ertw@gmail.com Mon Jun 26 21:12:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 556253B00FE for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27746-01 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.190]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 251643B00AB for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c29so990364nfb for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:12:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.144.19 with SMTP id r19mr5171174nfd; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:12:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.57.3 with HTTP; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:12:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8d3f24ab0606261812r7906d516i43fb3edaddf4c836@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:12:46 -0400 From: "Teresa Thomas" To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: HTTP handling MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_59458_14816789.1151370766217" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.874 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.759, BAYES_05=-1.11, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, HTML_00_10=0.795, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.874 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 10:05:29 -0400 X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 01:12:49 -0000 ------=_Part_59458_14816789.1151370766217 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I am making an Evolution plugin that enable it to synchrized with the Google calendar. As part of this, I will need to do some HTTP handling, create and send requests, receive and interpret responses etc. Does anyone know any libraries that can aid in doing this? I was looking in libgHTTP, but it does not have any helpful documentation. Would be grateful is anyone has any suggestions or more information on libgHTTP. Thanks! ------=_Part_59458_14816789.1151370766217 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I am making an Evolution plugin that enable it to synchrized with the Google calendar. As part of this, I will need to do some HTTP handling, create and send requests, receive and interpret responses etc.  Does anyone know any libraries that can aid in doing this?

I was looking in libgHTTP, but it does not have any helpful documentation. Would be grateful is anyone has any suggestions or more information on libgHTTP.

Thanks! ------=_Part_59458_14816789.1151370766217-- From james.henstridge@gmail.com Tue Jun 27 21:16:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C47D3B006D for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 21:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23438-06 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 21:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.194]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 903873B0002 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 21:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id s15so7262wxc for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:15:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.14.3 with SMTP id 3mr463202wxn; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.60.15 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 09:15:43 +0800 From: "James Henstridge" Sender: james.henstridge@gmail.com To: "Teresa Thomas" Subject: Re: HTTP handling In-Reply-To: <8d3f24ab0606261812r7906d516i43fb3edaddf4c836@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <8d3f24ab0606261812r7906d516i43fb3edaddf4c836@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1fcbc1542e59da0e X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.492 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.092, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.492 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 01:16:38 -0000 On 27/06/06, Teresa Thomas wrote: > I am making an Evolution plugin that enable it to synchrized with the Google > calendar. As part of this, I will need to do some HTTP handling, create and > send requests, receive and interpret responses etc. Does anyone know any > libraries that can aid in doing this? > > I was looking in libgHTTP, but it does not have any helpful documentation. > Would be grateful is anyone has any suggestions or more information on > libgHTTP. You should probably look at libsoup. It is already a dependency of Evolution and can integrate into the GTK event loop. James. From blizzard@redhat.com Wed Jun 28 14:38:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56F5A3B02CE for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:38:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27566-03 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:38:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6D213B0443 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5SIcMYO002458; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:38:22 -0400 Received: from pobox.corp.redhat.com (pobox.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.156]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5SIcHwp015222; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:38:17 -0400 Received: from [10.32.4.2] (vpn-4-2.stuttgart.redhat.com [10.32.4.2]) by pobox.corp.redhat.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k5SIcErt009469; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:38:15 -0400 Message-ID: <44A2CC66.1060408@redhat.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:37:26 -0400 From: Christopher Blizzard User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060613) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Henstridge Subject: Re: HTTP handling References: <8d3f24ab0606261812r7906d516i43fb3edaddf4c836@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.489 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.035, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_BG=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.489 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 03:00:44 -0400 Cc: Teresa Thomas , gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:38:25 -0000 James Henstridge wrote: > On 27/06/06, Teresa Thomas wrote: >> I am making an Evolution plugin that enable it to synchrized with the Google >> calendar. As part of this, I will need to do some HTTP handling, create and >> send requests, receive and interpret responses etc. Does anyone know any >> libraries that can aid in doing this? >> >> I was looking in libgHTTP, but it does not have any helpful documentation. >> Would be grateful is anyone has any suggestions or more information on >> libgHTTP. > > You should probably look at libsoup. It is already a dependency of > Evolution and can integrate into the GTK event loop. > Holy crap I wrote libghttp 10 years ago. Is it still in gnome-cvs? --Chris From qub333@gmail.com Thu Jun 29 12:17:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1D813B0198 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26273-02 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.177]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9B2A3B015A for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c30so284773pyc for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:17:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.20.14 with SMTP id x14mr1729106pyi; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:17:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.8.13 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:17:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <88d636060606290917p2c13063au799a399ce0821e2a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:17:01 -0400 From: kevin@kubasik.net Sender: qub333@gmail.com To: "Christopher Blizzard" Subject: Re: HTTP handling In-Reply-To: <44A2CC66.1060408@redhat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <8d3f24ab0606261812r7906d516i43fb3edaddf4c836@mail.gmail.com> <44A2CC66.1060408@redhat.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8858b1926ac684f4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.894 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.609, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, NO_REAL_NAME=0.961, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_BG=0.077, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -1.894 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:57:40 -0400 Cc: Teresa Thomas , gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:17:04 -0000 Hey, if libghttp is deprecisted, let the gnome sysadmin team know before the svn migration so it can be added to the list of "obsolete" modules. -Kevin Kubasik On 6/28/06, Christopher Blizzard wrote: > James Henstridge wrote: > > On 27/06/06, Teresa Thomas wrote: > >> I am making an Evolution plugin that enable it to synchrized with the > Google > >> calendar. As part of this, I will need to do some HTTP handling, create > and > >> send requests, receive and interpret responses etc. Does anyone know any > >> libraries that can aid in doing this? > >> > >> I was looking in libgHTTP, but it does not have any helpful > documentation. > >> Would be grateful is anyone has any suggestions or more information on > >> libgHTTP. > > > > You should probably look at libsoup. It is already a dependency of > > Evolution and can integrate into the GTK event loop. > > > > Holy crap I wrote libghttp 10 years ago. Is it still in gnome-cvs? > > --Chris > _______________________________________________ > gnome-hackers mailing list > gnome-hackers@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-hackers > -- Cheers, Kevin Kubasik http://kubasik.net/blog From blizzard@redhat.com Thu Jun 29 13:17:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25E0C3B00F5 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29605-10 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:17:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 236D43B007D for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:17:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5THHOBi026138; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:17:24 -0400 Received: from pobox.corp.redhat.com (pobox.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.156]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5THHOOL017821; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:17:24 -0400 Received: from [10.32.4.26] (vpn-4-26.stuttgart.redhat.com [10.32.4.26]) by pobox.corp.redhat.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k5THHNrt002155; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:17:23 -0400 Message-ID: <44A40B19.6050908@redhat.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:17:13 -0400 From: Christopher Blizzard User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060613) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kevin@kubasik.net Subject: Re: HTTP handling References: <8d3f24ab0606261812r7906d516i43fb3edaddf4c836@mail.gmail.com> <44A2CC66.1060408@redhat.com> <88d636060606290917p2c13063au799a399ce0821e2a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <88d636060606290917p2c13063au799a399ce0821e2a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.455 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.008, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_BG=0.077, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.455 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:57:40 -0400 Cc: Teresa Thomas , gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:17:27 -0000 Probably should be. How do I contact them? --Chris kevin@kubasik.net wrote: > Hey, if libghttp is deprecisted, let the gnome sysadmin team know > before the svn migration so it can be added to the list of "obsolete" > modules. > > -Kevin Kubasik > > On 6/28/06, Christopher Blizzard wrote: >> James Henstridge wrote: >> > On 27/06/06, Teresa Thomas wrote: >> >> I am making an Evolution plugin that enable it to synchrized with the >> Google >> >> calendar. As part of this, I will need to do some HTTP handling, >> create >> and >> >> send requests, receive and interpret responses etc. Does anyone >> know any >> >> libraries that can aid in doing this? >> >> >> >> I was looking in libgHTTP, but it does not have any helpful >> documentation. >> >> Would be grateful is anyone has any suggestions or more information on >> >> libgHTTP. >> > >> > You should probably look at libsoup. It is already a dependency of >> > Evolution and can integrate into the GTK event loop. >> > >> >> Holy crap I wrote libghttp 10 years ago. Is it still in gnome-cvs? >> >> --Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> gnome-hackers mailing list >> gnome-hackers@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-hackers >> > > From kmaraas@broadpark.no Thu Jun 29 17:26:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60C813B02AB for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09576-09 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osl1smout1.broadpark.no (osl1smout1.broadpark.no [80.202.4.58]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D64FF3B02A2 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osl1sminn1.broadpark.no ([80.202.4.59]) by osl1smout1.broadpark.no (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.05 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J1N003O94W9B480@osl1smout1.broadpark.no> for gnome-hackers@gnome.org; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 23:26:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.0.0.76] ([84.48.76.97]) by osl1sminn1.broadpark.no (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.05 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J1N005IR4W9FD80@osl1sminn1.broadpark.no> for gnome-hackers@gnome.org; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 23:26:33 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 23:26:33 +0200 From: Kjartan Maraas Subject: Re: HTTP handling In-reply-to: <44A40B19.6050908@redhat.com> To: Christopher Blizzard Message-id: <1151616393.2825.3.camel@rivendell> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.3 (2.7.3-5) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <8d3f24ab0606261812r7906d516i43fb3edaddf4c836@mail.gmail.com> <44A2CC66.1060408@redhat.com> <88d636060606290917p2c13063au799a399ce0821e2a@mail.gmail.com> <44A40B19.6050908@redhat.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.905 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.540, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_BG=0.077, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -1.905 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 18:03:45 -0400 Cc: Teresa Thomas , gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:26:40 -0000 tor, 29,.06.2006 kl. 13.17 -0400, skrev Christopher Blizzard: > Probably should be. How do I contact them? > I think it was moved to the retirement home last time we cleaned house. Maybe the developer site is still referencing it somewhere? /me googles d.g.o...there's a gnome-http folder there in viewcvs, but it looks empty. Maybe we need to remove the empty folder as well? Cheers Kjartan > --Chris > > kevin@kubasik.net wrote: > > Hey, if libghttp is deprecisted, let the gnome sysadmin team know > > before the svn migration so it can be added to the list of "obsolete" > > modules. > > > > -Kevin Kubasik > > > > On 6/28/06, Christopher Blizzard wrote: > >> James Henstridge wrote: > >> > On 27/06/06, Teresa Thomas wrote: > >> >> I am making an Evolution plugin that enable it to synchrized with the > >> Google > >> >> calendar. As part of this, I will need to do some HTTP handling, > >> create > >> and > >> >> send requests, receive and interpret responses etc. Does anyone > >> know any > >> >> libraries that can aid in doing this? > >> >> > >> >> I was looking in libgHTTP, but it does not have any helpful > >> documentation. > >> >> Would be grateful is anyone has any suggestions or more information on > >> >> libgHTTP. > >> > > >> > You should probably look at libsoup. It is already a dependency of > >> > Evolution and can integrate into the GTK event loop. > >> > > >> > >> Holy crap I wrote libghttp 10 years ago. Is it still in gnome-cvs? > >> > >> --Chris > >> _______________________________________________ > >> gnome-hackers mailing list > >> gnome-hackers@gnome.org > >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-hackers > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-hackers mailing list > gnome-hackers@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-hackers From blizzard@redhat.com Thu Jun 29 21:10:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EB253B000D for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:10:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18454-04 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A0873B006A for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5U1AIhK003119; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:10:18 -0400 Received: from pobox.corp.redhat.com (pobox.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.156]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5U1AI82018694; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:10:18 -0400 Received: from [10.32.4.7] (vpn-4-7.stuttgart.redhat.com [10.32.4.7]) by pobox.corp.redhat.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k5U1AFQW022923; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:10:16 -0400 Message-ID: <44A479E5.8030706@redhat.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:09:57 -0400 From: Christopher Blizzard User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060613) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kjartan Maraas Subject: Re: HTTP handling References: <8d3f24ab0606261812r7906d516i43fb3edaddf4c836@mail.gmail.com> <44A2CC66.1060408@redhat.com> <88d636060606290917p2c13063au799a399ce0821e2a@mail.gmail.com> <44A40B19.6050908@redhat.com> <1151616393.2825.3.camel@rivendell> In-Reply-To: <1151616393.2825.3.camel@rivendell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.454 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.007, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_BG=0.077, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 00:35:57 -0400 Cc: Teresa Thomas , gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 01:10:22 -0000 Up to you guys. I just work here. :) --Chris Kjartan Maraas wrote: > tor, 29,.06.2006 kl. 13.17 -0400, skrev Christopher Blizzard: >> Probably should be. How do I contact them? >> > I think it was moved to the retirement home last time we cleaned house. > > Maybe the developer site is still referencing it somewhere? /me googles > d.g.o...there's a gnome-http folder there in viewcvs, but it looks > empty. Maybe we need to remove the empty folder as well? > > Cheers > Kjartan > >> --Chris >> >> kevin@kubasik.net wrote: >>> Hey, if libghttp is deprecisted, let the gnome sysadmin team know >>> before the svn migration so it can be added to the list of "obsolete" >>> modules. >>> >>> -Kevin Kubasik >>> >>> On 6/28/06, Christopher Blizzard wrote: >>>> James Henstridge wrote: >>>>> On 27/06/06, Teresa Thomas wrote: >>>>>> I am making an Evolution plugin that enable it to synchrized with the >>>> Google >>>>>> calendar. As part of this, I will need to do some HTTP handling, >>>> create >>>> and >>>>>> send requests, receive and interpret responses etc. Does anyone >>>> know any >>>>>> libraries that can aid in doing this? >>>>>> >>>>>> I was looking in libgHTTP, but it does not have any helpful >>>> documentation. >>>>>> Would be grateful is anyone has any suggestions or more information on >>>>>> libgHTTP. >>>>> You should probably look at libsoup. It is already a dependency of >>>>> Evolution and can integrate into the GTK event loop. >>>>> >>>> Holy crap I wrote libghttp 10 years ago. Is it still in gnome-cvs? >>>> >>>> --Chris >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> gnome-hackers mailing list >>>> gnome-hackers@gnome.org >>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-hackers >>>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> gnome-hackers mailing list >> gnome-hackers@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-hackers > From jdub@waugh.id.au Thu Jun 1 09:21:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DE8B3B0213 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05226-06 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C82713B017F for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (unknown [203.217.18.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FD9E3CDE7; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 23:21:05 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DC9CF40B4; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 23:20:52 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 23:20:52 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Message-ID: <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org, Ross Golder References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> Reply-By: Sun Jun 4 23:19:02 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.15-23-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 23:19:02 up 3:11, 5 users, load average: 0.04, 0.28, 0.83 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 09:43:00 -0400 Cc: Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 13:21:10 -0000 > As the various show-stoppers that prevented our previously scheduled > migration from going ahead have now been resolved, I am proposing that the > new migration go ahead at 23:59UTC on Friday 16th June 2006. Please let us > know a.s.a.p if that will be inconvenient for anyone. Ross, Can I suggest that we do the migration after GUADEC? I think it would be more useful for us to have reliable and known access to CVS through the week than be dealing with post-migration woes (as clean as it will be, there will be some hassles for everyone). Thanks, - Jeff -- GUADEC 2006: Vilanova i la Geltrú, Spain http://2006.guadec.org/ "So I'll have to talk about what I know instead. If you are so inclined, you may infer that I am totally oblivious to anything I don't talk about today." - Larry Wall From jdub@waugh.id.au Thu Jun 1 10:14:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18D383B0134 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10107-04 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90E843B00F7 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB9B13C310; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:14:53 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D695840B4; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:14:50 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:14:50 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Germ=E1n_Po=F3_Caama=F1o?= Message-ID: <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Germ=E1n_Po=F3_Caama=F1o?= , gnome-hackers@gnome.org References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.15-23-686 i686 Reply-By: Mon Jun 5 00:14:22 EST 2006 X-Uptime: 00:14:22 up 6 min, 5 users, load average: 0.26, 0.52, 0.31 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.445 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.019, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.445 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 14:14:56 -0000 > > Can I suggest that we do the migration after GUADEC? I think it would be > > more useful for us to have reliable and known access to CVS through the > > week than be dealing with post-migration woes (as clean as it will be, > > there will be some hassles for everyone). > > But also, GUADEC offers a good chance to get solved all those issues > quickly. Pretty sure we'd all rather be doing useful things than cleaning up, though! > May be a sort of 'Quick tour from CVS to SVN: tips and tricks' may be > given at GUADEC. We should do that anyway. :-) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "Well, you know us usability folks... We like to believe that the two aren't mutually exclusive." - Calum Benson on power and cleanliness From gpoo@ubiobio.cl Thu Jun 1 09:53:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBABC3B0D94 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:53:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08135-07 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:53:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ubiobio.cl (atlas.dci.ubiobio.cl [146.83.195.21]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 195D33B0D40 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:53:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by forward.ubiobio.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E689400325; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:51:57 -0400 (CLT) Received: from pegasus.dci.ubiobio.cl ([146.83.195.11]) by localhost (antivirus.dci.ubiobio.cl [146.83.195.21]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08131-81; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:51:56 -0400 (CLT) Received: from mimos.local (unknown [146.83.198.86]) by pegasus.dci.ubiobio.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B6542804423; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:53:25 -0400 (CLT) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Germ=E1n_Po=F3_Caama=F1o?= To: Jeff Waugh In-Reply-To: <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 09:53:30 -0400 Message-Id: <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at ubiobio.cl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.406 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.058, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.406 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:29:49 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 13:53:36 -0000 On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 23:20 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > As the various show-stoppers that prevented our previously scheduled > > migration from going ahead have now been resolved, I am proposing that the > > new migration go ahead at 23:59UTC on Friday 16th June 2006. Please let us > > know a.s.a.p if that will be inconvenient for anyone. > > Ross, > > Can I suggest that we do the migration after GUADEC? I think it would be > more useful for us to have reliable and known access to CVS through the week > than be dealing with post-migration woes (as clean as it will be, there will > be some hassles for everyone). But also, GUADEC offers a good chance to get solved all those issues quickly. May be a sort of 'Quick tour from CVS to SVN: tips and tricks' may be given at GUADEC. -- Germán Poó-Caamaño http://www.ubiobio.cl/~gpoo/ Concepción - Chile From carlos@gnome.org Thu Jun 1 10:22:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23DAA3B009D for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10509-10 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gandalf.pemas.net (wpc1544.amenworld.com [62.193.229.92]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94E4E3B023E for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gandalf.pemas.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B599117403B; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:21:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from gandalf.pemas.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (gandalf.pemas.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03329-09; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:21:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from aragorn.pemas.net (13.Red-88-15-198.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net [88.15.198.13]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gandalf.pemas.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1375E174009; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:21:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: by aragorn.pemas.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DD0EE2B08AF; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:22:39 +0200 (CEST) From: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= To: Jeff Waugh In-Reply-To: <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Organization: GNOME Foundation Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 16:22:39 +0200 Message-Id: <1149171759.5308.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at gandalf.pemas.net X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.387 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.387 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:29:49 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 14:22:53 -0000 El vie, 02-06-2006 a las 00:14 +1000, Jeff Waugh escribi=C3=B3: > >=20 > > > Can I suggest that we do the migration after GUADEC? I think it would= be > > > more useful for us to have reliable and known access to CVS through t= he > > > week than be dealing with post-migration woes (as clean as it will be= , > > > there will be some hassles for everyone). > >=20 > > But also, GUADEC offers a good chance to get solved all those issues > > quickly. >=20 > Pretty sure we'd all rather be doing useful things than cleaning up, thou= gh! >=20 > > May be a sort of 'Quick tour from CVS to SVN: tips and tricks' may be > > given at GUADEC. >=20 > We should do that anyway. :-) I should also point that this migration will break l10n-status.gnome.org, it only knows about cvs atm. Danilo is working on a cool new system that would be able to handle SVN, but I don't know if it would be ready at that time. Anyway, porting current sytem to use svn shouldn't be too difficult, but I would like to know if there is any public SVN server where we could test it. Cheers. >=20 > - Jeff From miguel@ximian.com Thu Jun 1 10:23:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA9B43B00F7 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10681-08 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from linux.site (c-24-218-111-14.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.218.111.14]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3312A3B024F for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:23:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by linux.site (Postfix, from userid 500) id 35AB56AE07; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:22:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Miguel de Icaza To: Jeff Waugh In-Reply-To: <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:22:02 -0400 Message-Id: <1149171722.12303.661.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.709 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.291, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=2.046] X-Spam-Score: -0.709 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:29:49 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 14:23:32 -0000 Hello, > > May be a sort of 'Quick tour from CVS to SVN: tips and tricks' may be > > given at GUADEC. We produced one when we did our own migration, and we updated it as the FAQs came in, feel free to borrow, cut and paste: http://www.mono-project.com/SVN#Using_SVN Miguel. From gpoo@ubiobio.cl Thu Jun 1 10:54:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F74F3B022E; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13499-06; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ubiobio.cl (atlas.dci.ubiobio.cl [146.83.195.21]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 741FD3B00F7; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by forward.ubiobio.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D0AE400324; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:53:12 -0400 (CLT) Received: from pegasus.dci.ubiobio.cl ([146.83.195.11]) by localhost (antivirus.dci.ubiobio.cl [146.83.195.21]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23025-25; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:53:09 -0400 (CLT) Received: from mimos.local (unknown [146.83.198.86]) by pegasus.dci.ubiobio.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E1712804424; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:54:39 -0400 (CLT) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Germ=E1n_Po=F3_Caama=F1o?= To: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Perell=F3_Mar=EDn?= In-Reply-To: <1149171759.5308.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> <1149171759.5308.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:54:43 -0400 Message-Id: <1149173683.15278.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at ubiobio.cl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.369 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.018, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.369 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 11:10:12 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 14:54:45 -0000 On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 16:22 +0200, Carlos Perelló Marín wrote: > El vie, 02-06-2006 a las 00:14 +1000, Jeff Waugh escribió: > > > > > > > > Can I suggest that we do the migration after GUADEC? I think it would be > > > > more useful for us to have reliable and known access to CVS through the > > > > week than be dealing with post-migration woes (as clean as it will be, > > > > there will be some hassles for everyone). > > > > > > But also, GUADEC offers a good chance to get solved all those issues > > > quickly. > > > > Pretty sure we'd all rather be doing useful things than cleaning up, though! > > > > > May be a sort of 'Quick tour from CVS to SVN: tips and tricks' may be > > > given at GUADEC. > > > > We should do that anyway. :-) > > I should also point that this migration will break > l10n-status.gnome.org, it only knows about cvs atm. Good point. > Danilo is working on a cool new system that would be able to handle SVN, > but I don't know if it would be ready at that time. Anyway, porting > current sytem to use svn shouldn't be too difficult, but I would like to > know if there is any public SVN server where we could test it. http://svn.gnome.org/svn/[modulename] More information in http://live.gnome.org/Subversion Regards, -- Germán Poó-Caamaño http://www.ubiobio.cl/~gpoo/ Concepción - Chile From gpoo@ubiobio.cl Thu Jun 1 11:04:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F40DD3B02BC for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14377-04 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ubiobio.cl (atlas.dci.ubiobio.cl [146.83.195.21]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 964473B0262 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by forward.ubiobio.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 950E8400097; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:03:11 -0400 (CLT) Received: from pegasus.dci.ubiobio.cl ([146.83.195.11]) by localhost (antivirus.dci.ubiobio.cl [146.83.195.21]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23025-41; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:03:10 -0400 (CLT) Received: from mimos.local (unknown [146.83.198.86]) by pegasus.dci.ubiobio.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1DAF2804423; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:04:36 -0400 (CLT) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Germ=E1n_Po=F3_Caama=F1o?= To: Miguel de Icaza In-Reply-To: <1149171722.12303.661.camel@linux.site> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> <1149171722.12303.661.camel@linux.site> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 11:04:40 -0400 Message-Id: <1149174280.15278.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at ubiobio.cl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.408 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.056, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.408 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 11:10:12 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 15:04:54 -0000 On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 10:22 -0400, Miguel de Icaza wrote: > Hello, > > > > May be a sort of 'Quick tour from CVS to SVN: tips and tricks' may be > > > given at GUADEC. > > We produced one when we did our own migration, and we updated it as the > FAQs came in, feel free to borrow, cut and paste: > > http://www.mono-project.com/SVN#Using_SVN There is something similar in http://developer.gnome.org/tools/svn.html I don't think there will be any issue with normal uses cases (but you never know). I was thinking more on "what's new" or "being more productive", some exciting useful feature that is a pain or not possible using cvs. -- Germán Poó-Caamaño http://www.ubiobio.cl/~gpoo/ Concepción - Chile From davyd@madeley.id.au Thu Jun 1 11:22:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE1F3B0DEF for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15950-01 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:22:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oracle.bridgewayconsulting.com.au (oracle.bridgewayconsulting.com.au [203.56.14.38]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1C823B0DF2 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frobisher.local (cugglephone.madeley.id.au [203.56.15.217]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by oracle.bridgewayconsulting.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21C682E8004 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 23:21:11 +0800 (WST) From: Davyd Madeley To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 23:21:09 +0800 Message-Id: <1149175269.6871.61.camel@frobisher.madeley.id.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.479 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.015, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.479 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 11:52:22 -0400 Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 15:22:39 -0000 On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 00:14 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > May be a sort of 'Quick tour from CVS to SVN: tips and tricks' may be > > given at GUADEC. > > We should do that anyway. :-) I have offered to do something like this at GUADEC during some non-core time on IRC. I now offer here. --d -- Davyd Madeley http://www.davyd.id.au/ 08B0 341A 0B9B 08BB 2118 C060 2EDD BB4F 5191 6CDA From gpoo@ubiobio.cl Thu Jun 1 12:45:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C36703B0104 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21522-03 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ubiobio.cl (atlas.dci.ubiobio.cl [146.83.195.21]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C15C43B0EA2 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by forward.ubiobio.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 322184000BC; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:43:08 -0400 (CLT) Received: from pegasus.dci.ubiobio.cl ([146.83.195.11]) by localhost (antivirus.dci.ubiobio.cl [146.83.195.21]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06437-24; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:43:07 -0400 (CLT) Received: from mimos.local (unknown [146.83.198.86]) by pegasus.dci.ubiobio.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49FA92804423; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:44:36 -0400 (CLT) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Germ=E1n_Po=F3_Caama=F1o?= To: Davyd Madeley In-Reply-To: <1149175269.6871.61.camel@frobisher.madeley.id.au> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149170010.15278.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060601141450.GB5138@waugh.id.au> <1149175269.6871.61.camel@frobisher.madeley.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 12:44:40 -0400 Message-Id: <1149180281.15278.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at ubiobio.cl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.41 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.054, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.41 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 16:45:07 -0000 On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 23:21 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote: > On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 00:14 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > May be a sort of 'Quick tour from CVS to SVN: tips and tricks' may be > > > given at GUADEC. > > > > We should do that anyway. :-) > > I have offered to do something like this at GUADEC during some non-core > time on IRC. I now offer here. IMO, the way to go is looking for a free space in the schedule an ask to the person in charge to be included there. http://guadec.org/GUADEC2006/schedule/WUW http://guadec.org/GUADEC2006/schedule/AHW http://guadec.org/GUADEC2006/schedule And advertise it. -- Germán Poó-Caamaño http://www.ubiobio.cl/~gpoo/ Concepción - Chile From ross@golder.org Fri Jun 2 09:59:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44C613B0480 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:59:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30672-06 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown [125.25.17.26]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7067E3B0468 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 500) id 80BC09FC5E; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:59:23 +0700 (ICT) From: Ross Golder To: Jeff Waugh In-Reply-To: <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 20:59:23 +0700 Message-Id: <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 13:59:42 -0000 On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 23:20 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > As the various show-stoppers that prevented our previously scheduled > > migration from going ahead have now been resolved, I am proposing that the > > new migration go ahead at 23:59UTC on Friday 16th June 2006. Please let us > > know a.s.a.p if that will be inconvenient for anyone. > > Ross, > > Can I suggest that we do the migration after GUADEC? I think it would be > more useful for us to have reliable and known access to CVS through the week > than be dealing with post-migration woes (as clean as it will be, there will > be some hassles for everyone). > > Thanks, > > - Jeff > How about this - I'll run another test migration on the 23rd, but won't actually make the switch. At least then, if anyone at GUADEC wants to play with or demonstrate anything related to subversion, at least they will get fairly up-to-date code. So, looking at the release schedule, it looks like the next best date would be July 14th. How would that be? -- Ross From jdub@waugh.id.au Fri Jun 2 10:09:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9CCF3B048D for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31323-03 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 380433B0487 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 516F13D869; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:09:24 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9C62A3F98; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:09:20 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:09:20 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: Ross Golder Message-ID: <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: Ross Golder , gnome-hackers@gnome.org References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> Reply-By: Tue Jun 6 00:08:39 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.15-23-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 00:08:39 up 1 day, 0 min, 7 users, load average: 0.08, 0.07, 0.13 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.446 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.018, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.446 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 14:09:26 -0000 > How about this - I'll run another test migration on the 23rd, but won't > actually make the switch. At least then, if anyone at GUADEC wants to play > with or demonstrate anything related to subversion, at least they will get > fairly up-to-date code. Awesome - good call. > So, looking at the release schedule, it looks like the next best date > would be July 14th. How would that be? Hrm, puts it out a bit, hey? I'm happy with that, though, if it's the first available time. Thanks! - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ From ross@golder.org Fri Jun 2 10:42:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 842F53B1178 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:42:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00864-04 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown [125.25.17.26]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEF933B1157 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 500) id 993B69FC5E; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:42:04 +0700 (ICT) From: Ross Golder To: Jeff Waugh In-Reply-To: <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:42:04 +0700 Message-Id: <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 14:42:23 -0000 On Sat, 2006-06-03 at 00:09 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > How about this - I'll run another test migration on the 23rd, but won't > > actually make the switch. At least then, if anyone at GUADEC wants to play > > with or demonstrate anything related to subversion, at least they will get > > fairly up-to-date code. > > Awesome - good call. > > > So, looking at the release schedule, it looks like the next best date > > would be July 14th. How would that be? > > Hrm, puts it out a bit, hey? I'm happy with that, though, if it's the first > available time. > I can do it sooner if there's a demand for it. I'd certainly be happier once it's done and dusted. For me, the 30th June would be good, but it seemed too soon after GUADEC - perhaps people will still have work in their CVS w/d left to commit? The 7th July falls before a couple of tarball deadlines, so might be inconvenient for maintainers if their module takes a while to migrate. The 16th July seems best, because there's not much else going on. I'm open to suggestions. It doesn't necessarily have to be done over a weekend either. -- Ross > Thanks! > > - Jeff > From murrayc@murrayc.com Fri Jun 2 14:22:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE9BB3B034B for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14259-01 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from swarthymail-a4.dreamhost.com (ip-208-97-132-53.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.53]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 377D93B0283 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from noname (p5497F668.dip.t-dialin.net [84.151.246.104]) by swarthymail-a4.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83F0D129A83; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:22:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Murray Cumming To: Ross Golder In-Reply-To: <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 20:22:43 +0200 Message-Id: <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.469 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.053, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.469 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 15:12:13 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 18:22:52 -0000 On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 21:42 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > On Sat, 2006-06-03 at 00:09 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > > > > How about this - I'll run another test migration on the 23rd, but won't > > > actually make the switch. At least then, if anyone at GUADEC wants to play > > > with or demonstrate anything related to subversion, at least they will get > > > fairly up-to-date code. > > > > Awesome - good call. > > > > > So, looking at the release schedule, it looks like the next best date > > > would be July 14th. How would that be? > > > > Hrm, puts it out a bit, hey? I'm happy with that, though, if it's the first > > available time. > > > > I can do it sooner if there's a demand for it. I'd certainly be happier > once it's done and dusted. > > For me, the 30th June would be good, but it seemed too soon after GUADEC > - perhaps people will still have work in their CVS w/d left to commit? > The 7th July falls before a couple of tarball deadlines, so might be > inconvenient for maintainers if their module takes a while to migrate. > The 16th July seems best, because there's not much else going on. > > I'm open to suggestions. It doesn't necessarily have to be done over a > weekend either. Probably there's a document somewhere, but do we have some official advice for how to branch when we are using svn, and will the old cvs branches be morphed into that system? As far as I understand, svn branches of modules are copies of that module in any old directory that you like (with svn presumably maintaining some link between the copies). I guess at the least we need to create the branches/gnome-2-*/ or similar directories early, and tell people to put their branches in their. Please excuse my ignorance on this. -- Murray Cumming murrayc@murrayc.com www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com From joeshaw@novell.com Mon Jun 5 11:36:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42E8C3B059A for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10485-06 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [130.57.169.10]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CC343B022A for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14585 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2006 15:36:40 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO posthaste.boston.ximian.com) (joe@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Jun 2006 15:36:40 -0000 From: Joe Shaw To: Murray Cumming In-Reply-To: <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 11:36:38 -0400 Message-Id: <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.439 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.117, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.439 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 11:41:15 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 15:36:47 -0000 Hi, On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 20:22 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > I guess at the least we need to create the branches/gnome-2-*/ or > similar directories early, and tell people to put their branches in > their. With svn we definitely have a lot more freedom in how we set up our branches and tags. So I think we should immediately limit that freedom by coming up with some conventions. :) I propose the following: Assuming we have some project on the trunk with the URL like so: http://svn.gnome.org/trunk/project Tags, I believe, should be in per-project directories, like so: http://svn.gnome.org/tags/project/PROJECT_1_0_0/project We don't have to keep using the "PROJECT_1_0_0" convention for tags with svn, but I think we probably should for compatibility and predictability. Likewise, we should do similarly for per-project branches: http://svn.gnome.org/branches/project/project-1-0-branch/project But for GNOME-wide branches, we should use the higher-level directory: http://svn.gnome.org/branches/gnome-2-16/project (For these, though, we should probably migrate them to the more aesthetic and correct "gnome-2.16" name, since there are fewer and they are easy to predict programmatically.) Joe From johan@gnome.org Mon Jun 5 11:52:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E30F3B04F6 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:52:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11615-01 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frodo.hserus.net (frodo.hserus.net [204.74.68.40]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9647B3B03E1 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br ([200.171.140.32]:39578 helo=anthem.async.com.br) by frodo.hserus.net with esmtps (Cipher TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.62 #0) id 1FnHNR-000EMq-Qn; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:22:27 +0530 Received: from [192.168.99.10] (jdahlin@walrus.async.com.br [192.168.99.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by anthem.async.com.br (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3ubuntu0.1) with ESMTP id k55FqLrT008207; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 12:52:21 -0300 Message-ID: <4484532B.4070109@gnome.org> Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 12:52:11 -0300 From: Johan Dahlin User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060420) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Shaw References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> In-Reply-To: <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.417 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.047, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.417 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 11:56:28 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 15:52:33 -0000 [..] > http://svn.gnome.org/trunk/project [..] > http://svn.gnome.org/tags/project/PROJECT_1_0_0/project [..] > http://svn.gnome.org/branches/project/project-1-0-branch/project [..] > http://svn.gnome.org/branches/gnome-2-16/project [..] All of these urls assumes that there will only be one repository for all the modules/projects. It is not possible to branch between repositories. It seems like (judging by the revision numbers found on svn.gnome.org) that it is currently done by having one repository per module/project. I'm in favor of having one big repository, which would allow this kind of aliasing. The main disadvantage is the big revision numbers (6 or 7 digits). Johan From james.henstridge@gmail.com Tue Jun 6 00:26:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 367133B0098 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 00:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21950-04 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 00:25:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.195]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E33FE3B009B for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 00:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id h29so870756wxd for ; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:25:49 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=jouzeSD7aYq1sBUoDqmIXp4hixDLwkL95R3LSv5zhNd/3K6+AB/qHGdtunntMG61kzdxRjyxxs/gzGvQ7Fd28AwyvyCrWvOu+OqE0SztW6n31CBdqui9bSmqFjOAYSwn0LaXA7a81KhM5KQXWhiQ1VOaS/FE0mxYpWTdnsIuz9Q= Received: by 10.70.44.17 with SMTP id r17mr7000311wxr; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:25:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.60.15 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 21:25:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:25:49 +0800 From: "James Henstridge" Sender: james.henstridge@gmail.com To: "Joe Shaw" In-Reply-To: <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: bfa39d2be695be2a X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.561 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.561 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 00:40:52 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 04:26:23 -0000 On 05/06/06, Joe Shaw wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 20:22 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > > I guess at the least we need to create the branches/gnome-2-*/ or > > similar directories early, and tell people to put their branches in > > their. > > With svn we definitely have a lot more freedom in how we set up our > branches and tags. So I think we should immediately limit that freedom > by coming up with some conventions. :) I propose the following: > > Assuming we have some project on the trunk with the URL like so: > > http://svn.gnome.org/trunk/project > > Tags, I believe, should be in per-project directories, like so: > > http://svn.gnome.org/tags/project/PROJECT_1_0_0/project > > We don't have to keep using the "PROJECT_1_0_0" convention for tags with > svn, but I think we probably should for compatibility and > predictability. > > Likewise, we should do similarly for per-project branches: > > http://svn.gnome.org/branches/project/project-1-0-branch/project > > But for GNOME-wide branches, we should use the higher-level directory: > > http://svn.gnome.org/branches/gnome-2-16/project > > (For these, though, we should probably migrate them to the more > aesthetic and correct "gnome-2.16" name, since there are fewer and they > are easy to predict programmatically.) The suggested layout for multi-module repositories from the Subversion book is actually: ./$project/trunk <- the mainline for development ./$project/branches/$branchname <- a branch of the project ./$project/tags/$tagname <- a tag of the project For cases where there is only a single module in the repository, they recommend leaving of the "$project/" bit at the start of the paths. What benefits does your layout give over the recommended layout? It looks like it would add complexity without making things easier to understand. James. From thomas@apestaart.org Tue Jun 6 06:04:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABA3E3B0750; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 06:04:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04145-08; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 06:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.es6.egwn.net (server02.es6.egwn.net [195.10.6.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BEAF3B014E; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 06:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.fr4.egwn.net (server07.fr4.egwn.net [62.39.85.77]) by mx1.es6.egwn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5F0C4F82E2; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:04:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.fr4.egwn.net (spiffy mail daemon) with ESMTP id 0D94183BE7; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:04:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mx1.fr4.egwn.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (server07.fr4.egwn.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16922-12; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:03:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from thread.fluendo.lan (core.fluendo.com [195.10.6.237]) by mx1.fr4.egwn.net (spiffy mail daemon) with ESMTP id C559583BE4; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:03:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from thomas.fluendo.lan (thomas.fluendo.lan [192.168.1.10]) by thread.fluendo.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EF06FFDB; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:03:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Thomas Vander Stichele To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 12:03:19 +0200 Message-Id: <1149588200.24971.3.camel@otto.amantes> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 (2.6.1-1.fc5.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned: By amavis at egwn.net X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.626 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.070, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, RCVD_IN_SBL=3.16] X-Spam-Score: 0.626 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 06:51:14 -0400 Cc: gnome-announce-list@gnome.org, devel-announce-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 16 June) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 10:04:10 -0000 On Tue, 2006-05-30 at 13:41 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > Hi, > > As the various show-stoppers that prevented our previously scheduled > migration from going ahead have now been resolved, I am proposing that > the new migration go ahead at 23:59UTC on Friday 16th June 2006. Please > let us know a.s.a.p if that will be inconvenient for anyone. It may be inconvenient for any hack sessions done at GUADEC if it leaves people with too little time to convert their laptop checkouts properly, or if anything goes wrong with the conversion. I don't know if that's important enough of a reason, but it'd be too bad if we'd be stifling the surge of activity at GUADEC. Thomas From joeshaw@novell.com Tue Jun 6 11:10:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CB523B08C7 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:10:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31679-07 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [130.57.169.10]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFC503B0229 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15534 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2006 15:10:02 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO posthaste.boston.ximian.com) (joe@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Jun 2006 15:10:02 -0000 From: Joe Shaw To: James Henstridge In-Reply-To: References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 11:10:01 -0400 Message-Id: <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.477 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.078, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.477 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 11:16:13 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 15:10:06 -0000 Hi, On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 12:25 +0800, James Henstridge wrote: > The suggested layout for multi-module repositories from the Subversion > book is actually: > > ./$project/trunk <- the mainline for development > ./$project/branches/$branchname <- a branch of the project > ./$project/tags/$tagname <- a tag of the project If we're using separate repos for each module, then my proposal doesn't really apply. Other than very high revision numbers and the ease of moving a project repository off of gnome.org to somewhere else later, what are the benefits of multiple repositories? > What benefits does your layout give over the recommended layout? It > looks like it would add complexity without making things easier to > understand. I don't really see any added complexity in there. It's essentially the system we have today with CVS. The main benefit is that you could check out the whole of gnome 2.N at once, rather than knowing what modules to check out and doing so one by one. For an automated tinderbox-like system, you could drop a single file at the root which lists the order in which to build the modules, and then you don't have to worry about *any* synchronization of the module list with tools outside of svn. Joe From jdub@waugh.id.au Tue Jun 6 11:30:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA40E3B0151 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:30:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00913-02 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 751413B028C for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1A943D251; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 01:30:50 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C3BB83F9C; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 01:30:44 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 01:30:44 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: Joe Shaw Message-ID: <20060606153044.GA5138@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: Joe Shaw , James Henstridge , gnome-hackers@gnome.org References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Reply-By: Sat Jun 10 01:29:40 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.15-23-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 01:29:40 up 5 days, 1:21, 10 users, load average: 0.25, 0.10, 0.10 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.447 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.447 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 15:30:58 -0000 > I don't really see any added complexity in there. It's essentially the > system we have today with CVS. Perhaps delaying this after GUADEC will provide another benefit: A good load of high social bandwidth discussion during GUADEC about how to go about it. :-) - Jeff -- GUADEC 2006: Vilanova i la Geltrú, Spain http://2006.guadec.org/ "I have a burning curiosity about everything, everything-- except country and western, of course." - David Bowie From rml@novell.com Tue Jun 6 11:52:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 267353B0225 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:52:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02354-08 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [130.57.169.10]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11A853B0AB0 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15604 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2006 15:52:06 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO betsy.boston.ximian.com) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Jun 2006 15:52:06 -0000 From: Robert Love To: Joe Shaw In-Reply-To: <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 11:52:21 -0400 Message-Id: <1149609141.31757.17.camel@betsy.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.482 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.083, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.482 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 12:21:54 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 15:52:11 -0000 On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 11:10 -0400, Joe Shaw wrote: > The main benefit is that you could check out the whole of gnome 2.N at > once, rather than knowing what modules to check out and doing so one by > one. For an automated tinderbox-like system, you could drop a single > file at the root which lists the order in which to build the modules, > and then you don't have to worry about *any* synchronization of the > module list with tools outside of svn. Building on this fabulous idea, we can snapshot and tag all of a GNOME release, too. All-modules-in-one-repo seems to be pretty much the norm. I'd die for that cause. Robert Love From james.henstridge@gmail.com Tue Jun 6 12:22:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAA393B014B for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:22:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04758-01 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.197]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AD5F3B0284 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:22:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so1455063wxd for ; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 09:22:42 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=q76PChRbDzmRBAOI+u2Qkyp38lWfCxt0EK9nkNtvnAQLDH6xu64Z6JGeo3zF+GabQ4nfE8u7NRwKbfTM+5OplZlzkXY2xMQGjVdvI9B+IgmZlcDguvt9bvmlZuroz7u+dbAdXlKBqOFJNheRCnzPjtPvBdldOtf5t3zgs7YRLIw= Received: by 10.70.14.9 with SMTP id 9mr7771150wxn; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 09:22:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.60.15 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 09:22:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 00:22:42 +0800 From: "James Henstridge" Sender: james.henstridge@gmail.com To: "Joe Shaw" In-Reply-To: <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3439076e4a7f8d61 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.588 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.012, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.588 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 13:21:18 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 16:22:47 -0000 On 06/06/06, Joe Shaw wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 12:25 +0800, James Henstridge wrote: > > The suggested layout for multi-module repositories from the Subversion > > book is actually: > > > > ./$project/trunk <- the mainline for development > > ./$project/branches/$branchname <- a branch of the project > > ./$project/tags/$tagname <- a tag of the project > > If we're using separate repos for each module, then my proposal doesn't > really apply. Other than very high revision numbers and the ease of > moving a project repository off of gnome.org to somewhere else later, > what are the benefits of multiple repositories? You'd have to ask Ross about why we're using multiple repositories. There definitely are benefits to hosting multiple projects within a single repo. Subversion doesn't really handle interactions between repositories so code in separate repos are quite isolated. It is also less effort to add a new module to a repo (compared with creating new Subversion repositories, which will probably require sysadmin intervention). On the other hand, multiple repositories probably scale better since there will be less lock contention. I'm not sure how much of a problem lock contention would be though. > > What benefits does your layout give over the recommended layout? It > > looks like it would add complexity without making things easier to > > understand. > > I don't really see any added complexity in there. It's essentially the > system we have today with CVS. Really? The layout described in the Subversion book seems like a closer analogue to what we do in CVS. > The main benefit is that you could check out the whole of gnome 2.N at > once, rather than knowing what modules to check out and doing so one by > one. For an automated tinderbox-like system, you could drop a single > file at the root which lists the order in which to build the modules, > and then you don't have to worry about *any* synchronization of the > module list with tools outside of svn. Who would be allowed to create branches in this repo-wide "gnome 2.N" branch directory? Only stuff that is part of desktop and developer platform? Everything that creates branches to target particular Gnome releases? It seems that checking out one of these repo-wide "gnome 2.N" directories would end up pulling either too many or too few modules for any particular use. It is also worth noting that there will always be important parts of the Gnome module stack that are outside of our Subversion repository. For example, the recent GTK printing work depended on new features in Cairo. With your system without maintaining an import of cairo into the Gnome Subversion repo, which would be a maintenance nightmare. James. From joeshaw@novell.com Tue Jun 6 12:52:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71DE13B0090 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06467-04 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [130.57.169.10]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 383C93B0197 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15669 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2006 16:52:16 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO posthaste.boston.ximian.com) (joe@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Jun 2006 16:52:16 -0000 From: Joe Shaw To: James Henstridge In-Reply-To: References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 12:52:15 -0400 Message-Id: <1149612735.3790.71.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.477 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.078, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.477 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 13:21:18 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 16:52:18 -0000 Hi, On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 00:22 +0800, James Henstridge wrote: > On 06/06/06, Joe Shaw wrote: > > I don't really see any added complexity in there. It's essentially the > > system we have today with CVS. > > Really? The layout described in the Subversion book seems like a > closer analogue to what we do in CVS. Are you referring to this? http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch04s07.html Assuming one large repo, the only difference between my proposal and the book's is that there is an extra directory level in the branches (or tags) directory for each project. That way one doesn't have to wade through every tag or branch name for every project. In that sense it's more like CVS now: tags and branches are private per module. For example: /repos/calc/branches/my-calc-branch would most likely in an equivalent single repo setup be: /repos/branches/my-calc-branch My proposal is: /repos/branches/calc/my-calc-branch That way, when you really want to see just the calc branches you can go to /repo/branches/calc and not also see all the "paint" branches. The one exception is for any repo-wide branches, like a GNOME release. > Who would be allowed to create branches in this repo-wide "gnome 2.N" > branch directory? Only stuff that is part of desktop and developer > platform? Everything that creates branches to target particular Gnome > releases? It could require a change in workflow, perhaps negatively. People would have to branch at release time, rather than delaying it until they're ready for unstable development. And checking into the branch and the trunk is a PITA. But it's probably something that warrants discussion. But to answer the question, I'd assume that module maintainers who branch now would simply copy their modules into the branch directory. Perhaps it could be done by someone on the release team at release-time. > It is also worth noting that there will always be important parts of > the Gnome module stack that are outside of our Subversion repository. > For example, the recent GTK printing work depended on new features in > Cairo. With your system without maintaining an import of cairo into > the Gnome Subversion repo, which would be a maintenance nightmare. True, but any automated build tool needs to handle out-of-tree dependencies anyway. Reducing the maintenance for our part somewhat is preferable to reducing it none, IMO. Joe From james.henstridge@gmail.com Tue Jun 6 22:46:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C81853B0072 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 22:46:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06342-06 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 22:46:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.202]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 616233B00E6 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 22:46:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so121062wxd for ; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 19:46:38 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YP+HN5cUgne/11IeotaSjwmb5U7n4Wx8Hn1qmTWFNOmZSguJiJ7ql1v6/iVM1D05QTPNfXOzZhtHXtC499OJjVSpU4gLHex7cu+p+ogh2yAwTlG5JpuRsLZrROwO5NQYsqvcvrXr1wC6H1ZhQEq1ZFILUR01V8uyliQGHZCgemo= Received: by 10.70.36.1 with SMTP id j1mr61175wxj; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 19:46:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.60.15 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 19:46:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:46:38 +0800 From: "James Henstridge" To: "Joe Shaw" In-Reply-To: <1149612735.3790.71.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <1149606601.3790.20.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <1149612735.3790.71.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.523 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_JH=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 03:36:55 -0400 Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 02:46:42 -0000 On 07/06/06, Joe Shaw wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 00:22 +0800, James Henstridge wrote: > > On 06/06/06, Joe Shaw wrote: > > > I don't really see any added complexity in there. It's essentially the > > > system we have today with CVS. > > > > Really? The layout described in the Subversion book seems like a > > closer analogue to what we do in CVS. > > Are you referring to this? > > http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch04s07.html Yes. That page of the book also links to this page, which goes into a bit more detail: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch05s04.html > > Assuming one large repo, the only difference between my proposal and the > book's is that there is an extra directory level in the branches (or > tags) directory for each project. That way one doesn't have to wade > through every tag or branch name for every project. In that sense it's > more like CVS now: tags and branches are private per module. You are suggesting having toplevel trunk, branches and tags directories in the repository, while the book suggests having separate trunk, branches and tags directories under each project root in the repository. A lot of the differences between the suggested layout and your proposed layout seem to stem from trying to make that layout usable (e.g. keeping the branches directory manageable). > For example: > > /repos/calc/branches/my-calc-branch > > would most likely in an equivalent single repo setup be: > > /repos/branches/my-calc-branch > > My proposal is: > > /repos/branches/calc/my-calc-branch If "/repos" is the Subversion repository, then the book actually suggests you use: /repos/calc/branches/my-calc-branch (so everything related to "calc" is under a single directory in the repository). > > That way, when you really want to see just the calc branches you can go > to /repo/branches/calc and not also see all the "paint" branches. > > The one exception is for any repo-wide branches, like a GNOME release. I am not convinced that there are many benefits to storing the all Gnome 2.N branches under a separate directory. It would effectively hide them when browsing through the other branches of each individual module. > > Who would be allowed to create branches in this repo-wide "gnome 2.N" > > branch directory? Only stuff that is part of desktop and developer > > platform? Everything that creates branches to target particular Gnome > > releases? > > It could require a change in workflow, perhaps negatively. People would > have to branch at release time, rather than delaying it until they're > ready for unstable development. And checking into the branch and the > trunk is a PITA. But it's probably something that warrants discussion. > > But to answer the question, I'd assume that module maintainers who > branch now would simply copy their modules into the branch directory. > Perhaps it could be done by someone on the release team at release-time. > > > It is also worth noting that there will always be important parts of > > the Gnome module stack that are outside of our Subversion repository. > > For example, the recent GTK printing work depended on new features in > > Cairo. With your system without maintaining an import of cairo into > > the Gnome Subversion repo, which would be a maintenance nightmare. > > True, but any automated build tool needs to handle out-of-tree > dependencies anyway. Reducing the maintenance for our part somewhat is > preferable to reducing it none, IMO. Well, I plan to continue maintaining the Gnome module set definitions for jhbuild in Subversion, which is essentially the information you propose storing in the repo. It is fairly agnostic to the exact layout used in the repo, so wouldn't really benefit from a gnome release-wide branches subdirectory. James. From ross@golder.org Thu Jun 15 04:35:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 705033B03BD; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 04:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23205-02; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 04:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F7CF3B017A; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 04:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D2AD40AB; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:35:21 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xhk2B6x-5+T6; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:35:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from red (unknown [125.24.64.59]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70C123FE2; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:35:13 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) From: Ross Golder To: Johan Dahlin In-Reply-To: <4484532B.4070109@gnome.org> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <4484532B.4070109@gnome.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 15:34:36 +0700 Message-Id: <1150360476.7547.65.camel@red> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.471 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.128, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.471 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 08:35:25 -0000 On Mon, 2006-06-05 at 12:52 -0300, Johan Dahlin wrote: > [..] > > http://svn.gnome.org/trunk/project > [..] > > http://svn.gnome.org/tags/project/PROJECT_1_0_0/project > [..] > > http://svn.gnome.org/branches/project/project-1-0-branch/project > [..] > > http://svn.gnome.org/branches/gnome-2-16/project > [..] > > All of these urls assumes that there will only be one repository for all the > modules/projects. It is not possible to branch between repositories. > > It seems like (judging by the revision numbers found on svn.gnome.org) that > it is currently done by having one repository per module/project. > Indeed. One repository per module is the way I have been doing it. > I'm in favor of having one big repository, which would allow this kind of > aliasing. The main disadvantage is the big revision numbers (6 or 7 digits). > I can see there are plenty of good arguments for and against the three main approaches (single, multiple and mixed) described in the 'Choosing a Repository Layout' section of the manual . However, I still feel that the multiple repositories approach will work best for GNOME. I think being able to import/export and control (e.g. hook scripts, revision numbers, branches/tags etc) at a module level is the best approach. Eventually most monolithic things get broken down and modularised anyway, so IMHO we might as well start broken down (pretty much as we are now) and build up. The way the migration script works at the moment is that all modules will have a separate repository, with their own hook scripts etc. I particularly want this feature, so I can set up automatic e-mails for *only* commits on modules for which I am maintainer, without having to subscribe to the dirty great 'svn-commits-list'. Also, the migration script adds a call to a global shared hook-script, containing the 'svn-commits-list' hook among others. Also, it means projects can move to/from the GNOME subversion service more easily (without having to integrate/extract themselves from a monolithic repository). And, if one module gets corrupted or something, the whole repository doesn't become stalled. As for project-wide release tags (e.g. GNOME-2-14 etc), I can see that it's a tempting feature, but would it really give us a day-to-day advantage over individual repositories all using a common branch-name conversion to identify them? I'm imagining that a simple 'for...' loop for a given set of repositories would suffice in most cases. Also, historical project release branches/tags will probably be fragmented anyway where the different module maintainers haven't all used the same branching/tagging case and underscore/hyphen conventions. I'd be interested to hear the release team's view on whether a monolithic repo would really make their lives much easier. Anyway, if I'm way off the mark, and people really do think a monolithic repository (or even a mixed one, where we have a repository per group of packages) is the correct way forward, I'll happily cancel the upcoming migration again until someone can come up with a more suitable strategy :) Cheers, -- Ross > Johan > _______________________________________________ > gnome-hackers mailing list > gnome-hackers@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-hackers From vuntz@gnome.org Thu Jun 15 05:17:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DDF83B032F; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 05:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25231-04; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 05:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8D353B0270; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 05:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 33) id 05FEE112692; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:17:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 193.253.45.67 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vuntz) by vuntz.net with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:17:23 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <33333.193.253.45.67.1150363043.squirrel@vuntz.net> In-Reply-To: <1150360476.7547.65.camel@red> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <4484532B.4070109@gnome.org> <1150360476.7547.65.camel@red> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:17:23 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) From: "Vincent Untz" To: "Ross Golder" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.561 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.561 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:17:29 -0000 On Thu, June 15, 2006 10:34, Ross Golder wrote: > I'd be interested to hear the release team's view on whether a > monolithic repo would really make their lives much easier. My really humble opinion (since I'm no expert) is that I agree with you on nearly everything. The per-module hooks are a killer feature for me. Just my €0.02, since you asked for feedback ;-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From joeshaw@novell.com Thu Jun 15 12:26:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4681F3B0482 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 12:26:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22443-01 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 12:26:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [130.57.169.10]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA4413B0434 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 12:26:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 25036 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2006 16:25:53 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO posthaste.boston.ximian.com) (joe@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 Jun 2006 16:25:53 -0000 Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) From: Joe Shaw To: Ross Golder In-Reply-To: <1150360476.7547.65.camel@red> References: <1139648664.6627.40.camel@localhost> <1148971293.12902.2.camel@red> <20060601132052.GF5203@waugh.id.au> <1149256763.6298.18.camel@red> <20060602140920.GW5138@waugh.id.au> <1149259324.6298.28.camel@red> <1149272563.5848.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149521798.1780.11.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> <4484532B.4070109@gnome.org> <1150360476.7547.65.camel@red> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 12:25:53 -0400 Message-Id: <1150388753.19002.55.camel@posthaste.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.439 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.117, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, TW_JH=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.439 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:26:26 -0000 Hi, On Thu, 2006-06-15 at 15:34 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > Indeed. One repository per module is the way I have been doing it. Ok, I have no real strong opinion on it. One large repo is just what I'm more used to (Mono). > However, I still feel that the multiple repositories approach will work > best for GNOME. I trust your judgement. :) > As for project-wide release tags (e.g. GNOME-2-14 etc), I can see that > it's a tempting feature, but would it really give us a day-to-day > advantage over individual repositories all using a common branch-name > conversion to identify them? I guess people these days mainly use jhbuild for large GNOME builds, so maybe it's not remotely as interesting as I think it is. Is that what the tinderboxes are using? Maybe blessing jhbuild as "gnome-build" or whatever would put me more at ease. It just seems to me that our build processes are very ad-hoc. Maybe they're not documented well, maybe they work fine and don't need to be. I don't know, I am just rambling at this point. > Anyway, if I'm way off the mark, and people really do think a monolithic > repository (or even a mixed one, where we have a repository per group of > packages) is the correct way forward, I'll happily cancel the upcoming > migration again until someone can come up with a more suitable > strategy :) Oh please no. You're doing a great job and I am dying waiting for svn. Joe From jdub@waugh.id.au Thu Jun 15 14:07:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFF4E3B035A for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26251-08 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CA3D3B02DA for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B1C3C75B for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 04:07:12 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8B1B63F55; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 04:07:02 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 04:07:02 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off Fri 14 July?) 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X-Uptime: 04:06:51 up 14 days, 3:58, 7 users, load average: 0.06, 0.05, 0.01 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.015, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:07:51 -0000 > Oh please no. You're doing a great job and I am dying waiting for svn. SAVE JOE SHAW! - Jeff -- GUADEC 2006: Vilanova i la Geltrú, Spain http://2006.guadec.org/ "Old timers will tell you what a pain unstable was during the new testament transition." - Jon Corbet on Debian's KJV packages From behdad.esfahbod@gmail.com Thu Jun 15 17:38:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFECA3B00DD for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:38:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01988-05 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.238]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E19AC3B0011 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 37so427824wra for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:38:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.108.13 with SMTP id g13mr2187733wrc; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:38:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.190.5? ( [72.136.156.47]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 6sm1544376wrl.2006.06.15.14.38.10; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:38:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Women's Summer Outreach Program 2006 From: Behdad Esfahbod To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org, foundation-list@gnome.org, foundation-announce@gnome.org, gnome-announce-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:38:06 -0400 Message-Id: <1150407487.29623.12.camel@home> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 (2.6.1-1.fc5.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: Behdad Esfahbod X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 00:52:22 -0400 X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 21:38:49 -0000 GNOME to Sponsor Female Developers in a Summer Outreach Program BOSTON, Mass - June 13, 2006 - The GNOME Foundation is offering USD$9000 to female students in order to promote the participation of women in GNOME-related development. The money originates from GNOME's participation in the Google "Summer of Code" program (code.google.com/soc/), for which GNOME developers will mentor 20 students working throughout the northern summer on GNOME-related projects. This year GNOME received 181 applications to Google's program, yet none were from women. The GNOME Foundation has therefore chosen to reinvest Google's contribution into a new program designed to increase the participation of women in GNOME. The program has no official relationship with Google. "Free software prides itself on being open to anyone with a good idea, yet less than 2% of free software developers are female. We, as a community, need to be actively working to change this statistic, and programs like this one are a much needed step in the right direction." said Hanna Wallach, a GNOME developer who is involved in several projects that encourage women to participate in free software development. The Women's Summer Outreach Program is currently accepting applications from female students. Accepted students will receive a stipend of USD $3000 over a two month period. A pool of project ideas is provided at www.gnome.org/projects/wsop/, though original proposals are also encouraged. Projects may either be related to GNOME directly, or indirectly via projects such as Gstreamer and Abiword. Each student will be assigned a mentor to provide guidance throughout the program. Vincent Untz, member of the GNOME Foundation board and coordinator of the GNOME team for Google's "Summer of Code" program, explained: "Many women have the skills required to contribute to Free Software projects like GNOME, but may not see an opportunity to start working with us. By initiating this program, not only do we want to highlight the issue, but we also hope that this opportunity will help more women to get involved in the long term." Applications should be submitted using the form at www.gnome.org/projects/wsop/. More information about the application process may be found at the same location. From spam@pvanhoof.be Mon Jun 19 05:20:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41F683B00C8 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:20:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01630-10 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.freax.org (mail.freax.org [86.39.154.66]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CAC83B008F for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.freax.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A482AE7978 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:14:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.freax.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.freax.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Grg-lfHk-2tw for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:14:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from lort.newtec.be (mailhost.newtec.be [62.58.98.194]) (using SSLv3 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.freax.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68EE1E7977 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:14:38 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off is Fri 14 July) From: Philip Van Hoof To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1150446423.17466.26.camel@red> References: <1150446423.17466.26.camel@red> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:19:06 +0200 Message-Id: <1150708746.5359.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.419 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.047, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.419 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 06:26:47 -0400 X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 09:20:17 -0000 On Fri, 2006-06-16 at 15:27 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > How about this - I'll run another test migration on the 23rd, but won't > > actually make the switch. At least then, if anyone at GUADEC wants to > > play with or demonstrate anything related to subversion, at least they > > will get fairly up-to-date code. Hey Ross, Thanks for taking care of the Subversion transition. In my opinion we certainly need an upgrade of our repository software. Subversion is a good choice. I'm wondering whether new projects that haven't yet been in the GNOME CVS repository can enter the new Subversion repository sooner? I'm also wondering whether it will be possible to handover the sysadmins the resulting dump file of a "svnadmin dump"? ps. I'm indeed planning to let the tinymail repository get hosted by the upcoming GNOME Subversion infrastructure. Thanks -- Philip Van Hoof, software developer at x-tend home: me at pvanhoof dot be gnome: pvanhoof at gnome dot org work: vanhoof at x-tend dot be http://www.pvanhoof.be - http://www.x-tend.be From ross@golder.org Mon Jun 19 10:05:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BEB13B0014 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14538-09 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:05:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from black.golder.org (black.golder.org [81.6.249.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0918D3B0017 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D69B4A91; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:38:58 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at golder.org Received: from black.golder.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (black.golder.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BA3l6Mx+TfZ4; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:38:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from [10.174.248.19] (unknown [203.170.228.172]) by black.golder.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE1A340DD; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:38:44 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Subversion migration schedule (new cut-off is Fri 14 July) From: Ross Golder To: Philip Van Hoof In-Reply-To: <1150708746.5359.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1150446423.17466.26.camel@red> <1150708746.5359.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:37:53 +0700 Message-Id: <1150724273.9923.18.camel@red> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.536 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.505, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558] X-Spam-Score: -0.536 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:05:24 -0000 On Mon, 2006-06-19 at 11:19 +0200, Philip Van Hoof wrote: > On Fri, 2006-06-16 at 15:27 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > I'm wondering whether new projects that haven't yet been in the GNOME > CVS repository can enter the new Subversion repository sooner? I'm also > wondering whether it will be possible to handover the sysadmins the > resulting dump file of a "svnadmin dump"? > Sorry, no, we're not planning to support any Subversion services until the migration cut-off. The sysadmin team don't want to be in a position of having to support multiple version control systems simultaneously, there is a technical issue that means it wouldn't be straightforward to set up, and it'll make the live migration more confusing for me too! After the migration, it shouldn't be a problem to just send a compressed dump of your subversion repository to 'support@gnome.org' and we'll install it. Obviously, it'll have to follow the usual guidelines for new modules, as I'm sure yours do :) http://live.gnome.org/ProjectPrerequisites -- Ross From tere.ertw@gmail.com Mon Jun 26 21:12:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 556253B00FE for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27746-01 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.190]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 251643B00AB for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c29so990364nfb for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:12:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.144.19 with SMTP id r19mr5171174nfd; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:12:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.57.3 with HTTP; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:12:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8d3f24ab0606261812r7906d516i43fb3edaddf4c836@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:12:46 -0400 From: "Teresa Thomas" To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: HTTP handling MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_59458_14816789.1151370766217" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.874 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.759, BAYES_05=-1.11, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, HTML_00_10=0.795, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.874 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 10:05:29 -0400 X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 01:12:49 -0000 ------=_Part_59458_14816789.1151370766217 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I am making an Evolution plugin that enable it to synchrized with the Google calendar. As part of this, I will need to do some HTTP handling, create and send requests, receive and interpret responses etc. Does anyone know any libraries that can aid in doing this? I was looking in libgHTTP, but it does not have any helpful documentation. Would be grateful is anyone has any suggestions or more information on libgHTTP. Thanks! ------=_Part_59458_14816789.1151370766217 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I am making an Evolution plugin that enable it to synchrized with the Google calendar. As part of this, I will need to do some HTTP handling, create and send requests, receive and interpret responses etc.  Does anyone know any libraries that can aid in doing this?

I was looking in libgHTTP, but it does not have any helpful documentation. Would be grateful is anyone has any suggestions or more information on libgHTTP.

Thanks! ------=_Part_59458_14816789.1151370766217-- From james.henstridge@gmail.com Tue Jun 27 21:16:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C47D3B006D for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 21:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23438-06 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 21:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.194]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 903873B0002 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 21:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id s15so7262wxc for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:15:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.14.3 with SMTP id 3mr463202wxn; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.60.15 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 09:15:43 +0800 From: "James Henstridge" Sender: james.henstridge@gmail.com To: "Teresa Thomas" Subject: Re: HTTP handling In-Reply-To: <8d3f24ab0606261812r7906d516i43fb3edaddf4c836@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <8d3f24ab0606261812r7906d516i43fb3edaddf4c836@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1fcbc1542e59da0e X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.492 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.092, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.492 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 01:16:38 -0000 On 27/06/06, Teresa Thomas wrote: > I am making an Evolution plugin that enable it to synchrized with the Google > calendar. As part of this, I will need to do some HTTP handling, create and > send requests, receive and interpret responses etc. Does anyone know any > libraries that can aid in doing this? > > I was looking in libgHTTP, but it does not have any helpful documentation. > Would be grateful is anyone has any suggestions or more information on > libgHTTP. You should probably look at libsoup. It is already a dependency of Evolution and can integrate into the GTK event loop. James. From blizzard@redhat.com Wed Jun 28 14:38:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56F5A3B02CE for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:38:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27566-03 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:38:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6D213B0443 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5SIcMYO002458; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:38:22 -0400 Received: from pobox.corp.redhat.com (pobox.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.156]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5SIcHwp015222; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:38:17 -0400 Received: from [10.32.4.2] (vpn-4-2.stuttgart.redhat.com [10.32.4.2]) by pobox.corp.redhat.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k5SIcErt009469; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:38:15 -0400 Message-ID: <44A2CC66.1060408@redhat.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:37:26 -0400 From: Christopher Blizzard User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060613) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Henstridge Subject: Re: HTTP handling References: <8d3f24ab0606261812r7906d516i43fb3edaddf4c836@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.489 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.035, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_BG=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.489 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 03:00:44 -0400 Cc: Teresa Thomas , gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:38:25 -0000 James Henstridge wrote: > On 27/06/06, Teresa Thomas wrote: >> I am making an Evolution plugin that enable it to synchrized with the Google >> calendar. As part of this, I will need to do some HTTP handling, create and >> send requests, receive and interpret responses etc. Does anyone know any >> libraries that can aid in doing this? >> >> I was looking in libgHTTP, but it does not have any helpful documentation. >> Would be grateful is anyone has any suggestions or more information on >> libgHTTP. > > You should probably look at libsoup. It is already a dependency of > Evolution and can integrate into the GTK event loop. > Holy crap I wrote libghttp 10 years ago. Is it still in gnome-cvs? --Chris From qub333@gmail.com Thu Jun 29 12:17:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1D813B0198 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26273-02 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.177]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9B2A3B015A for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c30so284773pyc for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:17:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.20.14 with SMTP id x14mr1729106pyi; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:17:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.8.13 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:17:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <88d636060606290917p2c13063au799a399ce0821e2a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:17:01 -0400 From: kevin@kubasik.net Sender: qub333@gmail.com To: "Christopher Blizzard" Subject: Re: HTTP handling In-Reply-To: <44A2CC66.1060408@redhat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <8d3f24ab0606261812r7906d516i43fb3edaddf4c836@mail.gmail.com> <44A2CC66.1060408@redhat.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8858b1926ac684f4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.894 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.609, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, NO_REAL_NAME=0.961, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_BG=0.077, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -1.894 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:57:40 -0400 Cc: Teresa Thomas , gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:17:04 -0000 Hey, if libghttp is deprecisted, let the gnome sysadmin team know before the svn migration so it can be added to the list of "obsolete" modules. -Kevin Kubasik On 6/28/06, Christopher Blizzard wrote: > James Henstridge wrote: > > On 27/06/06, Teresa Thomas wrote: > >> I am making an Evolution plugin that enable it to synchrized with the > Google > >> calendar. As part of this, I will need to do some HTTP handling, create > and > >> send requests, receive and interpret responses etc. Does anyone know any > >> libraries that can aid in doing this? > >> > >> I was looking in libgHTTP, but it does not have any helpful > documentation. > >> Would be grateful is anyone has any suggestions or more information on > >> libgHTTP. > > > > You should probably look at libsoup. It is already a dependency of > > Evolution and can integrate into the GTK event loop. > > > > Holy crap I wrote libghttp 10 years ago. Is it still in gnome-cvs? > > --Chris > _______________________________________________ > gnome-hackers mailing list > gnome-hackers@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-hackers > -- Cheers, Kevin Kubasik http://kubasik.net/blog From blizzard@redhat.com Thu Jun 29 13:17:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25E0C3B00F5 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29605-10 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:17:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 236D43B007D for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:17:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5THHOBi026138; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:17:24 -0400 Received: from pobox.corp.redhat.com (pobox.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.156]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5THHOOL017821; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:17:24 -0400 Received: from [10.32.4.26] (vpn-4-26.stuttgart.redhat.com [10.32.4.26]) by pobox.corp.redhat.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k5THHNrt002155; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:17:23 -0400 Message-ID: <44A40B19.6050908@redhat.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:17:13 -0400 From: Christopher Blizzard User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060613) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kevin@kubasik.net Subject: Re: HTTP handling References: <8d3f24ab0606261812r7906d516i43fb3edaddf4c836@mail.gmail.com> <44A2CC66.1060408@redhat.com> <88d636060606290917p2c13063au799a399ce0821e2a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <88d636060606290917p2c13063au799a399ce0821e2a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.455 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.008, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_BG=0.077, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.455 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:57:40 -0400 Cc: Teresa Thomas , gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:17:27 -0000 Probably should be. How do I contact them? --Chris kevin@kubasik.net wrote: > Hey, if libghttp is deprecisted, let the gnome sysadmin team know > before the svn migration so it can be added to the list of "obsolete" > modules. > > -Kevin Kubasik > > On 6/28/06, Christopher Blizzard wrote: >> James Henstridge wrote: >> > On 27/06/06, Teresa Thomas wrote: >> >> I am making an Evolution plugin that enable it to synchrized with the >> Google >> >> calendar. As part of this, I will need to do some HTTP handling, >> create >> and >> >> send requests, receive and interpret responses etc. Does anyone >> know any >> >> libraries that can aid in doing this? >> >> >> >> I was looking in libgHTTP, but it does not have any helpful >> documentation. >> >> Would be grateful is anyone has any suggestions or more information on >> >> libgHTTP. >> > >> > You should probably look at libsoup. It is already a dependency of >> > Evolution and can integrate into the GTK event loop. >> > >> >> Holy crap I wrote libghttp 10 years ago. Is it still in gnome-cvs? >> >> --Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> gnome-hackers mailing list >> gnome-hackers@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-hackers >> > > From kmaraas@broadpark.no Thu Jun 29 17:26:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60C813B02AB for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09576-09 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osl1smout1.broadpark.no (osl1smout1.broadpark.no [80.202.4.58]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D64FF3B02A2 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osl1sminn1.broadpark.no ([80.202.4.59]) by osl1smout1.broadpark.no (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.05 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J1N003O94W9B480@osl1smout1.broadpark.no> for gnome-hackers@gnome.org; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 23:26:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.0.0.76] ([84.48.76.97]) by osl1sminn1.broadpark.no (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.05 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J1N005IR4W9FD80@osl1sminn1.broadpark.no> for gnome-hackers@gnome.org; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 23:26:33 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 23:26:33 +0200 From: Kjartan Maraas Subject: Re: HTTP handling In-reply-to: <44A40B19.6050908@redhat.com> To: Christopher Blizzard Message-id: <1151616393.2825.3.camel@rivendell> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.3 (2.7.3-5) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <8d3f24ab0606261812r7906d516i43fb3edaddf4c836@mail.gmail.com> <44A2CC66.1060408@redhat.com> <88d636060606290917p2c13063au799a399ce0821e2a@mail.gmail.com> <44A40B19.6050908@redhat.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.905 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.540, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_BG=0.077, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -1.905 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 18:03:45 -0400 Cc: Teresa Thomas , gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:26:40 -0000 tor, 29,.06.2006 kl. 13.17 -0400, skrev Christopher Blizzard: > Probably should be. How do I contact them? > I think it was moved to the retirement home last time we cleaned house. Maybe the developer site is still referencing it somewhere? /me googles d.g.o...there's a gnome-http folder there in viewcvs, but it looks empty. Maybe we need to remove the empty folder as well? Cheers Kjartan > --Chris > > kevin@kubasik.net wrote: > > Hey, if libghttp is deprecisted, let the gnome sysadmin team know > > before the svn migration so it can be added to the list of "obsolete" > > modules. > > > > -Kevin Kubasik > > > > On 6/28/06, Christopher Blizzard wrote: > >> James Henstridge wrote: > >> > On 27/06/06, Teresa Thomas wrote: > >> >> I am making an Evolution plugin that enable it to synchrized with the > >> Google > >> >> calendar. As part of this, I will need to do some HTTP handling, > >> create > >> and > >> >> send requests, receive and interpret responses etc. Does anyone > >> know any > >> >> libraries that can aid in doing this? > >> >> > >> >> I was looking in libgHTTP, but it does not have any helpful > >> documentation. > >> >> Would be grateful is anyone has any suggestions or more information on > >> >> libgHTTP. > >> > > >> > You should probably look at libsoup. It is already a dependency of > >> > Evolution and can integrate into the GTK event loop. > >> > > >> > >> Holy crap I wrote libghttp 10 years ago. Is it still in gnome-cvs? > >> > >> --Chris > >> _______________________________________________ > >> gnome-hackers mailing list > >> gnome-hackers@gnome.org > >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-hackers > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-hackers mailing list > gnome-hackers@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-hackers From blizzard@redhat.com Thu Jun 29 21:10:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EB253B000D for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:10:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18454-04 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A0873B006A for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5U1AIhK003119; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:10:18 -0400 Received: from pobox.corp.redhat.com (pobox.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.156]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5U1AI82018694; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:10:18 -0400 Received: from [10.32.4.7] (vpn-4-7.stuttgart.redhat.com [10.32.4.7]) by pobox.corp.redhat.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k5U1AFQW022923; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:10:16 -0400 Message-ID: <44A479E5.8030706@redhat.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:09:57 -0400 From: Christopher Blizzard User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060613) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kjartan Maraas Subject: Re: HTTP handling References: <8d3f24ab0606261812r7906d516i43fb3edaddf4c836@mail.gmail.com> <44A2CC66.1060408@redhat.com> <88d636060606290917p2c13063au799a399ce0821e2a@mail.gmail.com> <44A40B19.6050908@redhat.com> <1151616393.2825.3.camel@rivendell> In-Reply-To: <1151616393.2825.3.camel@rivendell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.454 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.007, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_BG=0.077, TW_SV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 00:35:57 -0400 Cc: Teresa Thomas , gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-hackers@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Hacking GNOME discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 01:10:22 -0000 Up to you guys. I just work here. :) --Chris Kjartan Maraas wrote: > tor, 29,.06.2006 kl. 13.17 -0400, skrev Christopher Blizzard: >> Probably should be. How do I contact them? >> > I think it was moved to the retirement home last time we cleaned house. > > Maybe the developer site is still referencing it somewhere? /me googles > d.g.o...there's a gnome-http folder there in viewcvs, but it looks > empty. Maybe we need to remove the empty folder as well? > > Cheers > Kjartan > >> --Chris >> >> kevin@kubasik.net wrote: >>> Hey, if libghttp is deprecisted, let the gnome sysadmin team know >>> before the svn migration so it can be added to the list of "obsolete" >>> modules. >>> >>> -Kevin Kubasik >>> >>> On 6/28/06, Christopher Blizzard wrote: >>>> James Henstridge wrote: >>>>> On 27/06/06, Teresa Thomas wrote: >>>>>> I am making an Evolution plugin that enable it to synchrized with the >>>> Google >>>>>> calendar. As part of this, I will need to do some HTTP handling, >>>> create >>>> and >>>>>> send requests, receive and interpret responses etc. Does anyone >>>> know any >>>>>> libraries that can aid in doing this? >>>>>> >>>>>> I was looking in libgHTTP, but it does not have any helpful >>>> documentation. >>>>>> Would be grateful is anyone has any suggestions or more information on >>>>>> libgHTTP. >>>>> You should probably look at libsoup. It is already a dependency of >>>>> Evolution and can integrate into the GTK event loop. >>>>> >>>> Holy crap I wrote libghttp 10 years ago. Is it still in gnome-cvs? >>>> >>>> --Chris >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> gnome-hackers mailing list >>>> gnome-hackers@gnome.org >>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-hackers >>>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> gnome-hackers mailing list >> gnome-hackers@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-hackers >