From hughsient at gmail.com Fri Jan 1 18:55:07 2010 From: hughsient at gmail.com (Richard Hughes) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 18:55:07 +0000 Subject: Documentation Images: Display OSD In-Reply-To: References: <4c2c37f90912281020r14f14a8csd02b125cdbd5f7b9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <15e53e181001011055p14d5ea4fv973f36d27b822ea@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/29 Niklas Park : > A little warning seems to be in place here. Sure, and I think it would be pretty simple to mock up the same thing as a svg in inkscape and then we get resolution-independent help images for free. I also think we need more people to write more content in help, so if your new years resolution is to contribute more to OSS projects, we're in need of good content authors. :-) Richard. From hughsient at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 14:19:21 2010 From: hughsient at gmail.com (Richard Hughes) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 14:19:21 +0000 Subject: GNOME Color Manager 2.29.2 Message-ID: <15e53e181001040619w5c88f442kcf293fc8839d4756@mail.gmail.com> gnome-color-manager is a session program that makes it easy to manage, install and generate color profiles in the GNOME desktop. Version 2.29.2 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Released: 2010-01-04 * Translations - Added German help translation (Christian Kirbach) - Added Slovenian translation (Matej Urban?i?) - Added Spanish translation (Jorge Gonz?lez) - Updated Brazilian Portuguese translation (Flamarion Jorge) - Updated British English translation (Bruce Cowan) - Updated Danish translation (Joe Hansen) - Updated French translation (Claude Paroz) - Updated German translation (Christian Kirbach) - Updated German translation (Mario Bl?ttermann) - Updated Russian translation (Alexandre Prokoudine) - Updated Slovenian translation (Andrej ?nidar?i?) * New Features: - Add two elements in the UI, for RGB and CMYK working spaces (Richard Hughes) - Add a TRC curve to the profile display (Richard Hughes) - Add LCMS as a hard build-time dependency (Richard Hughes) - Add PackageKit integration so we can install shared-color-targets (Richard Hughes) - Offer to install ArgyllCMS if it is not installed, and the user wants to calibrate (Richard Hughes) - Add a simple GcmImage class that makes embedded color profiles 'just work' (Richard Hughes) - Import ICC profiles when dragged and dropped on the prefs capplet (Richard Hughes) - Linkify the copyright and manufacturer strings in the profile dialog (Richard Hughes) - Add a PolicyKit rule for the system-wide profiles install (Richard Hughes) - Load the system-wide default if it has been installed (Richard Hughes) * Bugfix: - Fix the reference file import filter (Pascal de Bruijn) - Also evaluate /usr/local/bin when searching for Argyll tools. Fixes #605552 (Pascal de Bruijn) - Add an icon for a colorspace conversion profile (Richard Hughes) - Fix the help file installation so that yelp recognizes our help file (Richard Hughes) - Do not install the demo ICC files, and instead depend on the shared-color-profiles package (Richard Hughes) - Fix using profiles with VCGT formulas encoded in them (Richard Hughes) - If getting the illuminants failed, try running it through the profile (Richard Hughes) - Use strftime rather than our own hand-rolled function (Richard Hughes) - Show the TRC curves in the UI, rather than the vcgt curves (Richard Hughes) - Make gcm-dump-edid more useful by showing parsed data if available (Richard Hughes) - Use as much of the EDID as we can when generating device IDs. Fixes #605013 (Richard Hughes) - Add an experimental user-calibrate wizard, which the user can use when there is no calibration hardware available (Richard Hughes) - Use the hardware calibration device in the profile name. Fixes #605259 (Richard Hughes) - Sanitize the basename in GcmCalibrate when set. Fixes #605348 (Richard Hughes) - Use the ORIGINATOR tag in the it8 file to specify a device prefix for the device calibration. Fixes #605259 (Richard Hughes) - Move the device matching from a hard-coded list to a set of udev rules (Richard Hughes) - Properly detect broken dispcal output. Fixes #605838 (Richard Hughes) Richard. From pmjdebruijn at pcode.nl Mon Jan 4 16:58:16 2010 From: pmjdebruijn at pcode.nl (Pascal de Bruijn) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 17:58:16 +0100 Subject: GNOME Color Manager 2.29.2 In-Reply-To: <15e53e181001040619w5c88f442kcf293fc8839d4756@mail.gmail.com> References: <15e53e181001040619w5c88f442kcf293fc8839d4756@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c2c37f91001040858p5776d662lbd141df29d85a515@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Richard Hughes wrote: > gnome-color-manager is a session program that makes it easy to manage, install > and generate color profiles in the GNOME desktop. > > Version 2.29.2 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Released: 2010-01-04 I have Ubuntu Karmic packages available on my "gcm-release" PPA: https://launchpad.net/~pmjdebruijn/+archive/gcm-release/+packages I noticed I rushed the builds a bit, as the changelog is erroneous, since it wasn't sources from git, but from ftp.gnome.org. But I'm not going to tax the PPA build farm just to fix this minor mistake. I've published 2.29.2-release on my regular PPA as well, but there I'll resume tracking git again once interesting patch hit git :) Thanks for the great work! Regards, Pascal de Bruijn From hughsient at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 17:01:50 2010 From: hughsient at gmail.com (Richard Hughes) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 17:01:50 +0000 Subject: GNOME Color Manager 2.29.2 In-Reply-To: <4c2c37f91001040858p5776d662lbd141df29d85a515@mail.gmail.com> References: <15e53e181001040619w5c88f442kcf293fc8839d4756@mail.gmail.com> <4c2c37f91001040858p5776d662lbd141df29d85a515@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <15e53e181001040901s2f93be43v373b04d241ca568e@mail.gmail.com> 2010/1/4 Pascal de Bruijn : > I have Ubuntu Karmic packages available on my "gcm-release" PPA: You probably want to also package shared-color-targets and shared-color-profiles also. You can find tarballs here: http://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/releases/ Richard. From hughsient at gmail.com Tue Jan 5 10:37:29 2010 From: hughsient at gmail.com (Richard Hughes) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:37:29 +0000 Subject: GNOME Color Manager 2.29.2 In-Reply-To: <4c2c37f91001040858p5776d662lbd141df29d85a515@mail.gmail.com> References: <15e53e181001040619w5c88f442kcf293fc8839d4756@mail.gmail.com> <4c2c37f91001040858p5776d662lbd141df29d85a515@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <15e53e181001050237k7e90132duba562706b15a766@mail.gmail.com> 2010/1/4 Pascal de Bruijn : > I have Ubuntu Karmic packages available on my "gcm-release" PPA: Official F13 (should work on F12 too) builds here: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=1902775 Richard. From hughsient at gmail.com Thu Jan 14 18:45:57 2010 From: hughsient at gmail.com (Richard Hughes) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:45:57 +0000 Subject: Progress so far Message-ID: <15e53e181001141045l12684d02k1475d177bf3f816e@mail.gmail.com> So, not a lot of activity in gnome-color-manager repos in the last few days. Let me explain why: * There's no point writing a tiny library to color manage pixbuf's, it belongs in the GDK/GTK layer * We can't depend on lcms in GTK as we'll want other things on Windows7 and OSX. * Nobody wanted to open the can of worms So, for the last few evenings, I've written a mega-patch (https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=606885) that adds in GtkColorProfile, GtkColorTransform and GtkColorEngine objects to GTK, and quite a bit of the interface code that makes all that possible. There are many more changes to be made, but when this patch is committed we can easily make a GtkImage that is color corrected, and not have to worry about doing it in the application. In essence, applications become color managed for free, and have to manually opt-out of having pixbufs transformed by embedded profiles. This makes things _much_ simpler. The lcms bits are written as a GIO extension point, and it falls back to a NOP or memcpy if lcms is not available. I've hopefully designed the API to be efficient and easy to use (and portable to other systems). The patch still needs a lot more upstream review, but I wanted to keep you guys in the loop. When this is complete, we can move onto GtkImage and start doing more useful things. Needless to say, this will make GcmImage obsolete. Richard. From alexandre.prokoudine at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 22:04:10 2010 From: alexandre.prokoudine at gmail.com (Alexandre Prokoudine) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 01:04:10 +0300 Subject: Progress so far In-Reply-To: <15e53e181001141045l12684d02k1475d177bf3f816e@mail.gmail.com> References: <15e53e181001141045l12684d02k1475d177bf3f816e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <733f2c731001151404l6c3744f2wc0d0b717d2fac545@mail.gmail.com> *after reading the whole thread* Color managed Cairo will make things A LOT easier for many graphics related applications. TOP3 list: GIMP, Inkscape, sK1 Alexandre On 1/14/10, Richard Hughes wrote: > So, not a lot of activity in gnome-color-manager repos in the last few > days. Let me explain why: > > * There's no point writing a tiny library to color manage pixbuf's, it > belongs in the GDK/GTK layer > * We can't depend on lcms in GTK as we'll want other things on Windows7 and > OSX. > * Nobody wanted to open the can of worms > > So, for the last few evenings, I've written a mega-patch > (https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=606885) that adds in > GtkColorProfile, GtkColorTransform and GtkColorEngine objects to GTK, > and quite a bit of the interface code that makes all that possible. > There are many more changes to be made, but when this patch is > committed we can easily make a GtkImage that is color corrected, and > not have to worry about doing it in the application. In essence, > applications become color managed for free, and have to manually > opt-out of having pixbufs transformed by embedded profiles. This makes > things _much_ simpler. > > The lcms bits are written as a GIO extension point, and it falls back > to a NOP or memcpy if lcms is not available. I've hopefully designed > the API to be efficient and easy to use (and portable to other > systems). The patch still needs a lot more upstream review, but I > wanted to keep you guys in the loop. > > When this is complete, we can move onto GtkImage and start doing more > useful things. Needless to say, this will make GcmImage obsolete. > > Richard. > _______________________________________________ > gnome-color-manager-list mailing list > gnome-color-manager-list at gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-color-manager-list > -- Alexandre From pedro at pedrocr.net Sat Jan 16 22:44:03 2010 From: pedro at pedrocr.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Pedro_C=C3=B4rte=2DReal?=) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:44:03 -0800 Subject: Profiling an Epson R2880 Message-ID: <62e8012c1001161444t2a7bf927m3fed1293db047cb@mail.gmail.com> I've been trying to get decent color out of my Epson R2880 when printing with a specific paper. I'm using Gutenprint and the developer has told me the only real solution is to profile the printer. I was looking at this: http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2009/12/16/advances-of-freedom/ and wondering how close we are from being able to use one of these targets to profile a normal scanner and then print out the same target with the printer and profile the printer. The only added complexity I have here is that I don't own a scanner myself and would use one at the university, attached to a windows computer. So I would have to be able to color correct based on a finished JPEG/TIFF image, not at the moment of the scan. Cheers, Pedro From pmjdebruijn at pcode.nl Sat Jan 16 23:55:00 2010 From: pmjdebruijn at pcode.nl (Pascal de Bruijn) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 00:55:00 +0100 Subject: Profiling an Epson R2880 In-Reply-To: <62e8012c1001161444t2a7bf927m3fed1293db047cb@mail.gmail.com> References: <62e8012c1001161444t2a7bf927m3fed1293db047cb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c2c37f91001161555h658b195dl8e60d63d4eb1c98c@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 11:44 PM, Pedro C?rte-Real wrote: > I've been trying to get decent color out of my Epson R2880 when > printing with a specific paper. I'm using Gutenprint and the developer > has told me the only real solution is to profile the printer. I was > looking at this: > > http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2009/12/16/advances-of-freedom/ > > and wondering how close we are from being able to use one of these > targets to profile a normal scanner and then print out the same target > with the printer and profile the printer. Actually, ArgyllCMS (which GCM uses as a backend) can do this for a while now... However it's not recommended... It's inherently quite inaccurate... Buying a emissive photospectrometer is the only real option to get spot-on accuracy... These are pricy gadgets, so there are some online profiling services: http://www.christophe-metairie-photographie.com/profile.html Regards, Pascal de Bruijn From graeme2 at argyllcms.com Sat Jan 16 23:58:19 2010 From: graeme2 at argyllcms.com (Graeme Gill) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:58:19 +1100 Subject: Profiling an Epson R2880 In-Reply-To: <62e8012c1001161444t2a7bf927m3fed1293db047cb@mail.gmail.com> References: <62e8012c1001161444t2a7bf927m3fed1293db047cb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B52529B.2060200@argyllcms.com> Pedro C?rte-Real wrote: > I've been trying to get decent color out of my Epson R2880 when > printing with a specific paper. I'm using Gutenprint and the developer > has told me the only real solution is to profile the printer. I was > looking at this: > > http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2009/12/16/advances-of-freedom/ > > and wondering how close we are from being able to use one of these > targets to profile a normal scanner and then print out the same target > with the printer and profile the printer. People have attempted to profile printers in this way, but generally the results are a little disappointing. If the printer is way out, it can be an improvement, but often the neutral balance is sufficiently "off" that it's not entirely satisfactory. This is primarily because most affordable scanners "see" color quite differently to how we do, so the product of the scanner response, the reference chart and the printer output doesn't work so well together. If you're keen on trying this out, you can start looking here: Anyone serious about color should probably buy a color instrument, and the best value for print and other general profiling currently is probably the X-Rite ColorMunki. Graeme Gill. From markalanthomas at hotmail.fr Thu Jan 21 21:42:55 2010 From: markalanthomas at hotmail.fr (Mark Alan Thomas) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:42:55 -0800 Subject: GNOME Color Manager Message-ID: I'm trying to find a way to calibrate my display. I'm on the GNOME Color Manager page, being teased by promises of pre-compiled packages, but there is nary a package to be found. What's a noob to do? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hughsient at gmail.com Fri Jan 22 08:47:28 2010 From: hughsient at gmail.com (Richard Hughes) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 08:47:28 +0000 Subject: GNOME Color Manager In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15e53e181001220047i640c6d19r3cec40df7fc63629@mail.gmail.com> 2010/1/21 Mark Alan Thomas : > I'm trying to find a way to calibrate my display. I'm on the GNOME Color > Manager page, being teased by promises of pre-compiled packages, but there > is nary a package to be found.? What's a noob to do? What distro are you on? Richard. From pmjdebruijn at pcode.nl Fri Jan 22 10:22:05 2010 From: pmjdebruijn at pcode.nl (Pascal de Bruijn) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 11:22:05 +0100 Subject: GNOME Color Manager In-Reply-To: <15e53e181001220047i640c6d19r3cec40df7fc63629@mail.gmail.com> References: <15e53e181001220047i640c6d19r3cec40df7fc63629@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c2c37f91001220222o25dd9e3ey22b1900cbcce4473@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Richard Hughes wrote: > 2010/1/21 Mark Alan Thomas : >> I'm trying to find a way to calibrate my display. I'm on the GNOME Color >> Manager page, being teased by promises of pre-compiled packages, but there >> is nary a package to be found.? What's a noob to do? > > What distro are you on? If you are on Ubuntu Karmic, you can use my PPA: For development builds: https://launchpad.net/~pmjdebruijn/+archive/ppa For releases: https://launchpad.net/~pmjdebruijn/+archive/gcm-release I assume you do own a colorimeter? Regards, Pascal de Bruijn From pmjdebruijn at pcode.nl Wed Jan 27 18:56:33 2010 From: pmjdebruijn at pcode.nl (Pascal de Bruijn) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:56:33 +0100 Subject: GNOME 2.30 release Message-ID: <4c2c37f91001271056x617f9785gcfed552d026713b0@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Since the release of GNOME 2.30 is actually around a couple of corners, I'm wondering in what way GCM 2.30 will be part of GNOME 2.30... I'm assuming it will be released simultaneously... But will it be considered as part of the "core" GNOME 2.30? (I'm afraid not?) Will GCM be mentioned in the GNOME 2.30 release notes, so people will actually know it exists, even if the distro's won't install it by default? Regards, Pascal de Bruijn From hughsient at gmail.com Wed Jan 27 19:24:40 2010 From: hughsient at gmail.com (Richard Hughes) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:24:40 +0000 Subject: GNOME 2.30 release In-Reply-To: <4c2c37f91001271056x617f9785gcfed552d026713b0@mail.gmail.com> References: <4c2c37f91001271056x617f9785gcfed552d026713b0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <15e53e181001271124q60d3820egadf62b1b2421113f@mail.gmail.com> 2010/1/27 Pascal de Bruijn : > Since the release of GNOME 2.30 is actually around a couple of > corners, I'm wondering in what way GCM 2.30 will be part of GNOME > 2.30... Well, it's waaaay too late to propose GCM for 2-30 -- but I am intending to propose it for 2-32. > I'm assuming it will be released simultaneously... But will it be > considered as part of the "core" GNOME 2.30? (I'm afraid not?) No, it won't. Most of the big distros seems to be shipping it already tho. > Will GCM be mentioned in the GNOME 2.30 release notes, so people will > actually know it exists, even if the distro's won't install it by > default? Well, I know for sure that Fedora will be installing it by default. Even if it's a blessed module, it's still up to the distros whether it's included by default. Richard. From hughsient at gmail.com Fri Jan 1 18:55:07 2010 From: hughsient at gmail.com (Richard Hughes) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 18:55:07 +0000 Subject: Documentation Images: Display OSD In-Reply-To: References: <4c2c37f90912281020r14f14a8csd02b125cdbd5f7b9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <15e53e181001011055p14d5ea4fv973f36d27b822ea@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/29 Niklas Park : > A little warning seems to be in place here. Sure, and I think it would be pretty simple to mock up the same thing as a svg in inkscape and then we get resolution-independent help images for free. I also think we need more people to write more content in help, so if your new years resolution is to contribute more to OSS projects, we're in need of good content authors. :-) Richard. From hughsient at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 14:19:21 2010 From: hughsient at gmail.com (Richard Hughes) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 14:19:21 +0000 Subject: GNOME Color Manager 2.29.2 Message-ID: <15e53e181001040619w5c88f442kcf293fc8839d4756@mail.gmail.com> gnome-color-manager is a session program that makes it easy to manage, install and generate color profiles in the GNOME desktop. Version 2.29.2 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Released: 2010-01-04 * Translations - Added German help translation (Christian Kirbach) - Added Slovenian translation (Matej Urban?i?) - Added Spanish translation (Jorge Gonz?lez) - Updated Brazilian Portuguese translation (Flamarion Jorge) - Updated British English translation (Bruce Cowan) - Updated Danish translation (Joe Hansen) - Updated French translation (Claude Paroz) - Updated German translation (Christian Kirbach) - Updated German translation (Mario Bl?ttermann) - Updated Russian translation (Alexandre Prokoudine) - Updated Slovenian translation (Andrej ?nidar?i?) * New Features: - Add two elements in the UI, for RGB and CMYK working spaces (Richard Hughes) - Add a TRC curve to the profile display (Richard Hughes) - Add LCMS as a hard build-time dependency (Richard Hughes) - Add PackageKit integration so we can install shared-color-targets (Richard Hughes) - Offer to install ArgyllCMS if it is not installed, and the user wants to calibrate (Richard Hughes) - Add a simple GcmImage class that makes embedded color profiles 'just work' (Richard Hughes) - Import ICC profiles when dragged and dropped on the prefs capplet (Richard Hughes) - Linkify the copyright and manufacturer strings in the profile dialog (Richard Hughes) - Add a PolicyKit rule for the system-wide profiles install (Richard Hughes) - Load the system-wide default if it has been installed (Richard Hughes) * Bugfix: - Fix the reference file import filter (Pascal de Bruijn) - Also evaluate /usr/local/bin when searching for Argyll tools. Fixes #605552 (Pascal de Bruijn) - Add an icon for a colorspace conversion profile (Richard Hughes) - Fix the help file installation so that yelp recognizes our help file (Richard Hughes) - Do not install the demo ICC files, and instead depend on the shared-color-profiles package (Richard Hughes) - Fix using profiles with VCGT formulas encoded in them (Richard Hughes) - If getting the illuminants failed, try running it through the profile (Richard Hughes) - Use strftime rather than our own hand-rolled function (Richard Hughes) - Show the TRC curves in the UI, rather than the vcgt curves (Richard Hughes) - Make gcm-dump-edid more useful by showing parsed data if available (Richard Hughes) - Use as much of the EDID as we can when generating device IDs. Fixes #605013 (Richard Hughes) - Add an experimental user-calibrate wizard, which the user can use when there is no calibration hardware available (Richard Hughes) - Use the hardware calibration device in the profile name. Fixes #605259 (Richard Hughes) - Sanitize the basename in GcmCalibrate when set. Fixes #605348 (Richard Hughes) - Use the ORIGINATOR tag in the it8 file to specify a device prefix for the device calibration. Fixes #605259 (Richard Hughes) - Move the device matching from a hard-coded list to a set of udev rules (Richard Hughes) - Properly detect broken dispcal output. Fixes #605838 (Richard Hughes) Richard. From pmjdebruijn at pcode.nl Mon Jan 4 16:58:16 2010 From: pmjdebruijn at pcode.nl (Pascal de Bruijn) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 17:58:16 +0100 Subject: GNOME Color Manager 2.29.2 In-Reply-To: <15e53e181001040619w5c88f442kcf293fc8839d4756@mail.gmail.com> References: <15e53e181001040619w5c88f442kcf293fc8839d4756@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c2c37f91001040858p5776d662lbd141df29d85a515@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Richard Hughes wrote: > gnome-color-manager is a session program that makes it easy to manage, install > and generate color profiles in the GNOME desktop. > > Version 2.29.2 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Released: 2010-01-04 I have Ubuntu Karmic packages available on my "gcm-release" PPA: https://launchpad.net/~pmjdebruijn/+archive/gcm-release/+packages I noticed I rushed the builds a bit, as the changelog is erroneous, since it wasn't sources from git, but from ftp.gnome.org. But I'm not going to tax the PPA build farm just to fix this minor mistake. I've published 2.29.2-release on my regular PPA as well, but there I'll resume tracking git again once interesting patch hit git :) Thanks for the great work! Regards, Pascal de Bruijn From hughsient at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 17:01:50 2010 From: hughsient at gmail.com (Richard Hughes) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 17:01:50 +0000 Subject: GNOME Color Manager 2.29.2 In-Reply-To: <4c2c37f91001040858p5776d662lbd141df29d85a515@mail.gmail.com> References: <15e53e181001040619w5c88f442kcf293fc8839d4756@mail.gmail.com> <4c2c37f91001040858p5776d662lbd141df29d85a515@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <15e53e181001040901s2f93be43v373b04d241ca568e@mail.gmail.com> 2010/1/4 Pascal de Bruijn : > I have Ubuntu Karmic packages available on my "gcm-release" PPA: You probably want to also package shared-color-targets and shared-color-profiles also. You can find tarballs here: http://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/releases/ Richard. From hughsient at gmail.com Tue Jan 5 10:37:29 2010 From: hughsient at gmail.com (Richard Hughes) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:37:29 +0000 Subject: GNOME Color Manager 2.29.2 In-Reply-To: <4c2c37f91001040858p5776d662lbd141df29d85a515@mail.gmail.com> References: <15e53e181001040619w5c88f442kcf293fc8839d4756@mail.gmail.com> <4c2c37f91001040858p5776d662lbd141df29d85a515@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <15e53e181001050237k7e90132duba562706b15a766@mail.gmail.com> 2010/1/4 Pascal de Bruijn : > I have Ubuntu Karmic packages available on my "gcm-release" PPA: Official F13 (should work on F12 too) builds here: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=1902775 Richard. From hughsient at gmail.com Thu Jan 14 18:45:57 2010 From: hughsient at gmail.com (Richard Hughes) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:45:57 +0000 Subject: Progress so far Message-ID: <15e53e181001141045l12684d02k1475d177bf3f816e@mail.gmail.com> So, not a lot of activity in gnome-color-manager repos in the last few days. Let me explain why: * There's no point writing a tiny library to color manage pixbuf's, it belongs in the GDK/GTK layer * We can't depend on lcms in GTK as we'll want other things on Windows7 and OSX. * Nobody wanted to open the can of worms So, for the last few evenings, I've written a mega-patch (https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=606885) that adds in GtkColorProfile, GtkColorTransform and GtkColorEngine objects to GTK, and quite a bit of the interface code that makes all that possible. There are many more changes to be made, but when this patch is committed we can easily make a GtkImage that is color corrected, and not have to worry about doing it in the application. In essence, applications become color managed for free, and have to manually opt-out of having pixbufs transformed by embedded profiles. This makes things _much_ simpler. The lcms bits are written as a GIO extension point, and it falls back to a NOP or memcpy if lcms is not available. I've hopefully designed the API to be efficient and easy to use (and portable to other systems). The patch still needs a lot more upstream review, but I wanted to keep you guys in the loop. When this is complete, we can move onto GtkImage and start doing more useful things. Needless to say, this will make GcmImage obsolete. Richard. From alexandre.prokoudine at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 22:04:10 2010 From: alexandre.prokoudine at gmail.com (Alexandre Prokoudine) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 01:04:10 +0300 Subject: Progress so far In-Reply-To: <15e53e181001141045l12684d02k1475d177bf3f816e@mail.gmail.com> References: <15e53e181001141045l12684d02k1475d177bf3f816e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <733f2c731001151404l6c3744f2wc0d0b717d2fac545@mail.gmail.com> *after reading the whole thread* Color managed Cairo will make things A LOT easier for many graphics related applications. TOP3 list: GIMP, Inkscape, sK1 Alexandre On 1/14/10, Richard Hughes wrote: > So, not a lot of activity in gnome-color-manager repos in the last few > days. Let me explain why: > > * There's no point writing a tiny library to color manage pixbuf's, it > belongs in the GDK/GTK layer > * We can't depend on lcms in GTK as we'll want other things on Windows7 and > OSX. > * Nobody wanted to open the can of worms > > So, for the last few evenings, I've written a mega-patch > (https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=606885) that adds in > GtkColorProfile, GtkColorTransform and GtkColorEngine objects to GTK, > and quite a bit of the interface code that makes all that possible. > There are many more changes to be made, but when this patch is > committed we can easily make a GtkImage that is color corrected, and > not have to worry about doing it in the application. In essence, > applications become color managed for free, and have to manually > opt-out of having pixbufs transformed by embedded profiles. This makes > things _much_ simpler. > > The lcms bits are written as a GIO extension point, and it falls back > to a NOP or memcpy if lcms is not available. I've hopefully designed > the API to be efficient and easy to use (and portable to other > systems). The patch still needs a lot more upstream review, but I > wanted to keep you guys in the loop. > > When this is complete, we can move onto GtkImage and start doing more > useful things. Needless to say, this will make GcmImage obsolete. > > Richard. > _______________________________________________ > gnome-color-manager-list mailing list > gnome-color-manager-list at gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-color-manager-list > -- Alexandre From pedro at pedrocr.net Sat Jan 16 22:44:03 2010 From: pedro at pedrocr.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Pedro_C=C3=B4rte=2DReal?=) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:44:03 -0800 Subject: Profiling an Epson R2880 Message-ID: <62e8012c1001161444t2a7bf927m3fed1293db047cb@mail.gmail.com> I've been trying to get decent color out of my Epson R2880 when printing with a specific paper. I'm using Gutenprint and the developer has told me the only real solution is to profile the printer. I was looking at this: http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2009/12/16/advances-of-freedom/ and wondering how close we are from being able to use one of these targets to profile a normal scanner and then print out the same target with the printer and profile the printer. The only added complexity I have here is that I don't own a scanner myself and would use one at the university, attached to a windows computer. So I would have to be able to color correct based on a finished JPEG/TIFF image, not at the moment of the scan. Cheers, Pedro From pmjdebruijn at pcode.nl Sat Jan 16 23:55:00 2010 From: pmjdebruijn at pcode.nl (Pascal de Bruijn) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 00:55:00 +0100 Subject: Profiling an Epson R2880 In-Reply-To: <62e8012c1001161444t2a7bf927m3fed1293db047cb@mail.gmail.com> References: <62e8012c1001161444t2a7bf927m3fed1293db047cb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c2c37f91001161555h658b195dl8e60d63d4eb1c98c@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 11:44 PM, Pedro C?rte-Real wrote: > I've been trying to get decent color out of my Epson R2880 when > printing with a specific paper. I'm using Gutenprint and the developer > has told me the only real solution is to profile the printer. I was > looking at this: > > http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2009/12/16/advances-of-freedom/ > > and wondering how close we are from being able to use one of these > targets to profile a normal scanner and then print out the same target > with the printer and profile the printer. Actually, ArgyllCMS (which GCM uses as a backend) can do this for a while now... However it's not recommended... It's inherently quite inaccurate... Buying a emissive photospectrometer is the only real option to get spot-on accuracy... These are pricy gadgets, so there are some online profiling services: http://www.christophe-metairie-photographie.com/profile.html Regards, Pascal de Bruijn From graeme2 at argyllcms.com Sat Jan 16 23:58:19 2010 From: graeme2 at argyllcms.com (Graeme Gill) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:58:19 +1100 Subject: Profiling an Epson R2880 In-Reply-To: <62e8012c1001161444t2a7bf927m3fed1293db047cb@mail.gmail.com> References: <62e8012c1001161444t2a7bf927m3fed1293db047cb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B52529B.2060200@argyllcms.com> Pedro C?rte-Real wrote: > I've been trying to get decent color out of my Epson R2880 when > printing with a specific paper. I'm using Gutenprint and the developer > has told me the only real solution is to profile the printer. I was > looking at this: > > http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2009/12/16/advances-of-freedom/ > > and wondering how close we are from being able to use one of these > targets to profile a normal scanner and then print out the same target > with the printer and profile the printer. People have attempted to profile printers in this way, but generally the results are a little disappointing. If the printer is way out, it can be an improvement, but often the neutral balance is sufficiently "off" that it's not entirely satisfactory. This is primarily because most affordable scanners "see" color quite differently to how we do, so the product of the scanner response, the reference chart and the printer output doesn't work so well together. If you're keen on trying this out, you can start looking here: Anyone serious about color should probably buy a color instrument, and the best value for print and other general profiling currently is probably the X-Rite ColorMunki. Graeme Gill. From markalanthomas at hotmail.fr Thu Jan 21 21:42:55 2010 From: markalanthomas at hotmail.fr (Mark Alan Thomas) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:42:55 -0800 Subject: GNOME Color Manager Message-ID: I'm trying to find a way to calibrate my display. I'm on the GNOME Color Manager page, being teased by promises of pre-compiled packages, but there is nary a package to be found. What's a noob to do? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hughsient at gmail.com Fri Jan 22 08:47:28 2010 From: hughsient at gmail.com (Richard Hughes) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 08:47:28 +0000 Subject: GNOME Color Manager In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15e53e181001220047i640c6d19r3cec40df7fc63629@mail.gmail.com> 2010/1/21 Mark Alan Thomas : > I'm trying to find a way to calibrate my display. I'm on the GNOME Color > Manager page, being teased by promises of pre-compiled packages, but there > is nary a package to be found.? What's a noob to do? What distro are you on? Richard. From pmjdebruijn at pcode.nl Fri Jan 22 10:22:05 2010 From: pmjdebruijn at pcode.nl (Pascal de Bruijn) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 11:22:05 +0100 Subject: GNOME Color Manager In-Reply-To: <15e53e181001220047i640c6d19r3cec40df7fc63629@mail.gmail.com> References: <15e53e181001220047i640c6d19r3cec40df7fc63629@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c2c37f91001220222o25dd9e3ey22b1900cbcce4473@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Richard Hughes wrote: > 2010/1/21 Mark Alan Thomas : >> I'm trying to find a way to calibrate my display. I'm on the GNOME Color >> Manager page, being teased by promises of pre-compiled packages, but there >> is nary a package to be found.? What's a noob to do? > > What distro are you on? If you are on Ubuntu Karmic, you can use my PPA: For development builds: https://launchpad.net/~pmjdebruijn/+archive/ppa For releases: https://launchpad.net/~pmjdebruijn/+archive/gcm-release I assume you do own a colorimeter? Regards, Pascal de Bruijn From pmjdebruijn at pcode.nl Wed Jan 27 18:56:33 2010 From: pmjdebruijn at pcode.nl (Pascal de Bruijn) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:56:33 +0100 Subject: GNOME 2.30 release Message-ID: <4c2c37f91001271056x617f9785gcfed552d026713b0@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Since the release of GNOME 2.30 is actually around a couple of corners, I'm wondering in what way GCM 2.30 will be part of GNOME 2.30... I'm assuming it will be released simultaneously... But will it be considered as part of the "core" GNOME 2.30? (I'm afraid not?) Will GCM be mentioned in the GNOME 2.30 release notes, so people will actually know it exists, even if the distro's won't install it by default? Regards, Pascal de Bruijn From hughsient at gmail.com Wed Jan 27 19:24:40 2010 From: hughsient at gmail.com (Richard Hughes) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:24:40 +0000 Subject: GNOME 2.30 release In-Reply-To: <4c2c37f91001271056x617f9785gcfed552d026713b0@mail.gmail.com> References: <4c2c37f91001271056x617f9785gcfed552d026713b0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <15e53e181001271124q60d3820egadf62b1b2421113f@mail.gmail.com> 2010/1/27 Pascal de Bruijn : > Since the release of GNOME 2.30 is actually around a couple of > corners, I'm wondering in what way GCM 2.30 will be part of GNOME > 2.30... Well, it's waaaay too late to propose GCM for 2-30 -- but I am intending to propose it for 2-32. > I'm assuming it will be released simultaneously... But will it be > considered as part of the "core" GNOME 2.30? (I'm afraid not?) No, it won't. Most of the big distros seems to be shipping it already tho. > Will GCM be mentioned in the GNOME 2.30 release notes, so people will > actually know it exists, even if the distro's won't install it by > default? Well, I know for sure that Fedora will be installing it by default. Even if it's a blessed module, it's still up to the distros whether it's included by default. Richard. From hughsient at gmail.com Fri Jan 1 18:55:07 2010 From: hughsient at gmail.com (Richard Hughes) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 18:55:07 +0000 Subject: Documentation Images: Display OSD In-Reply-To: References: <4c2c37f90912281020r14f14a8csd02b125cdbd5f7b9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <15e53e181001011055p14d5ea4fv973f36d27b822ea@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/29 Niklas Park : > A little warning seems to be in place here. Sure, and I think it would be pretty simple to mock up the same thing as a svg in inkscape and then we get resolution-independent help images for free. I also think we need more people to write more content in help, so if your new years resolution is to contribute more to OSS projects, we're in need of good content authors. :-) Richard. From hughsient at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 14:19:21 2010 From: hughsient at gmail.com (Richard Hughes) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 14:19:21 +0000 Subject: GNOME Color Manager 2.29.2 Message-ID: <15e53e181001040619w5c88f442kcf293fc8839d4756@mail.gmail.com> gnome-color-manager is a session program that makes it easy to manage, install and generate color profiles in the GNOME desktop. Version 2.29.2 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Released: 2010-01-04 * Translations - Added German help translation (Christian Kirbach) - Added Slovenian translation (Matej Urban?i?) - Added Spanish translation (Jorge Gonz?lez) - Updated Brazilian Portuguese translation (Flamarion Jorge) - Updated British English translation (Bruce Cowan) - Updated Danish translation (Joe Hansen) - Updated French translation (Claude Paroz) - Updated German translation (Christian Kirbach) - Updated German translation (Mario Bl?ttermann) - Updated Russian translation (Alexandre Prokoudine) - Updated Slovenian translation (Andrej ?nidar?i?) * New Features: - Add two elements in the UI, for RGB and CMYK working spaces (Richard Hughes) - Add a TRC curve to the profile display (Richard Hughes) - Add LCMS as a hard build-time dependency (Richard Hughes) - Add PackageKit integration so we can install shared-color-targets (Richard Hughes) - Offer to install ArgyllCMS if it is not installed, and the user wants to calibrate (Richard Hughes) - Add a simple GcmImage class that makes embedded color profiles 'just work' (Richard Hughes) - Import ICC profiles when dragged and dropped on the prefs capplet (Richard Hughes) - Linkify the copyright and manufacturer strings in the profile dialog (Richard Hughes) - Add a PolicyKit rule for the system-wide profiles install (Richard Hughes) - Load the system-wide default if it has been installed (Richard Hughes) * Bugfix: - Fix the reference file import filter (Pascal de Bruijn) - Also evaluate /usr/local/bin when searching for Argyll tools. Fixes #605552 (Pascal de Bruijn) - Add an icon for a colorspace conversion profile (Richard Hughes) - Fix the help file installation so that yelp recognizes our help file (Richard Hughes) - Do not install the demo ICC files, and instead depend on the shared-color-profiles package (Richard Hughes) - Fix using profiles with VCGT formulas encoded in them (Richard Hughes) - If getting the illuminants failed, try running it through the profile (Richard Hughes) - Use strftime rather than our own hand-rolled function (Richard Hughes) - Show the TRC curves in the UI, rather than the vcgt curves (Richard Hughes) - Make gcm-dump-edid more useful by showing parsed data if available (Richard Hughes) - Use as much of the EDID as we can when generating device IDs. Fixes #605013 (Richard Hughes) - Add an experimental user-calibrate wizard, which the user can use when there is no calibration hardware available (Richard Hughes) - Use the hardware calibration device in the profile name. Fixes #605259 (Richard Hughes) - Sanitize the basename in GcmCalibrate when set. Fixes #605348 (Richard Hughes) - Use the ORIGINATOR tag in the it8 file to specify a device prefix for the device calibration. Fixes #605259 (Richard Hughes) - Move the device matching from a hard-coded list to a set of udev rules (Richard Hughes) - Properly detect broken dispcal output. Fixes #605838 (Richard Hughes) Richard. From pmjdebruijn at pcode.nl Mon Jan 4 16:58:16 2010 From: pmjdebruijn at pcode.nl (Pascal de Bruijn) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 17:58:16 +0100 Subject: GNOME Color Manager 2.29.2 In-Reply-To: <15e53e181001040619w5c88f442kcf293fc8839d4756@mail.gmail.com> References: <15e53e181001040619w5c88f442kcf293fc8839d4756@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c2c37f91001040858p5776d662lbd141df29d85a515@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Richard Hughes wrote: > gnome-color-manager is a session program that makes it easy to manage, install > and generate color profiles in the GNOME desktop. > > Version 2.29.2 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Released: 2010-01-04 I have Ubuntu Karmic packages available on my "gcm-release" PPA: https://launchpad.net/~pmjdebruijn/+archive/gcm-release/+packages I noticed I rushed the builds a bit, as the changelog is erroneous, since it wasn't sources from git, but from ftp.gnome.org. But I'm not going to tax the PPA build farm just to fix this minor mistake. I've published 2.29.2-release on my regular PPA as well, but there I'll resume tracking git again once interesting patch hit git :) Thanks for the great work! Regards, Pascal de Bruijn From hughsient at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 17:01:50 2010 From: hughsient at gmail.com (Richard Hughes) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 17:01:50 +0000 Subject: GNOME Color Manager 2.29.2 In-Reply-To: <4c2c37f91001040858p5776d662lbd141df29d85a515@mail.gmail.com> References: <15e53e181001040619w5c88f442kcf293fc8839d4756@mail.gmail.com> <4c2c37f91001040858p5776d662lbd141df29d85a515@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <15e53e181001040901s2f93be43v373b04d241ca568e@mail.gmail.com> 2010/1/4 Pascal de Bruijn : > I have Ubuntu Karmic packages available on my "gcm-release" PPA: You probably want to also package shared-color-targets and shared-color-profiles also. You can find tarballs here: http://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/releases/ Richard. From hughsient at gmail.com Tue Jan 5 10:37:29 2010 From: hughsient at gmail.com (Richard Hughes) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:37:29 +0000 Subject: GNOME Color Manager 2.29.2 In-Reply-To: <4c2c37f91001040858p5776d662lbd141df29d85a515@mail.gmail.com> References: <15e53e181001040619w5c88f442kcf293fc8839d4756@mail.gmail.com> <4c2c37f91001040858p5776d662lbd141df29d85a515@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <15e53e181001050237k7e90132duba562706b15a766@mail.gmail.com> 2010/1/4 Pascal de Bruijn : > I have Ubuntu Karmic packages available on my "gcm-release" PPA: Official F13 (should work on F12 too) builds here: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=1902775 Richard. From hughsient at gmail.com Thu Jan 14 18:45:57 2010 From: hughsient at gmail.com (Richard Hughes) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:45:57 +0000 Subject: Progress so far Message-ID: <15e53e181001141045l12684d02k1475d177bf3f816e@mail.gmail.com> So, not a lot of activity in gnome-color-manager repos in the last few days. Let me explain why: * There's no point writing a tiny library to color manage pixbuf's, it belongs in the GDK/GTK layer * We can't depend on lcms in GTK as we'll want other things on Windows7 and OSX. * Nobody wanted to open the can of worms So, for the last few evenings, I've written a mega-patch (https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=606885) that adds in GtkColorProfile, GtkColorTransform and GtkColorEngine objects to GTK, and quite a bit of the interface code that makes all that possible. There are many more changes to be made, but when this patch is committed we can easily make a GtkImage that is color corrected, and not have to worry about doing it in the application. In essence, applications become color managed for free, and have to manually opt-out of having pixbufs transformed by embedded profiles. This makes things _much_ simpler. The lcms bits are written as a GIO extension point, and it falls back to a NOP or memcpy if lcms is not available. I've hopefully designed the API to be efficient and easy to use (and portable to other systems). The patch still needs a lot more upstream review, but I wanted to keep you guys in the loop. When this is complete, we can move onto GtkImage and start doing more useful things. Needless to say, this will make GcmImage obsolete. Richard. From alexandre.prokoudine at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 22:04:10 2010 From: alexandre.prokoudine at gmail.com (Alexandre Prokoudine) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 01:04:10 +0300 Subject: Progress so far In-Reply-To: <15e53e181001141045l12684d02k1475d177bf3f816e@mail.gmail.com> References: <15e53e181001141045l12684d02k1475d177bf3f816e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <733f2c731001151404l6c3744f2wc0d0b717d2fac545@mail.gmail.com> *after reading the whole thread* Color managed Cairo will make things A LOT easier for many graphics related applications. TOP3 list: GIMP, Inkscape, sK1 Alexandre On 1/14/10, Richard Hughes wrote: > So, not a lot of activity in gnome-color-manager repos in the last few > days. Let me explain why: > > * There's no point writing a tiny library to color manage pixbuf's, it > belongs in the GDK/GTK layer > * We can't depend on lcms in GTK as we'll want other things on Windows7 and > OSX. > * Nobody wanted to open the can of worms > > So, for the last few evenings, I've written a mega-patch > (https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=606885) that adds in > GtkColorProfile, GtkColorTransform and GtkColorEngine objects to GTK, > and quite a bit of the interface code that makes all that possible. > There are many more changes to be made, but when this patch is > committed we can easily make a GtkImage that is color corrected, and > not have to worry about doing it in the application. In essence, > applications become color managed for free, and have to manually > opt-out of having pixbufs transformed by embedded profiles. This makes > things _much_ simpler. > > The lcms bits are written as a GIO extension point, and it falls back > to a NOP or memcpy if lcms is not available. I've hopefully designed > the API to be efficient and easy to use (and portable to other > systems). The patch still needs a lot more upstream review, but I > wanted to keep you guys in the loop. > > When this is complete, we can move onto GtkImage and start doing more > useful things. Needless to say, this will make GcmImage obsolete. > > Richard. > _______________________________________________ > gnome-color-manager-list mailing list > gnome-color-manager-list at gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-color-manager-list > -- Alexandre From pedro at pedrocr.net Sat Jan 16 22:44:03 2010 From: pedro at pedrocr.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Pedro_C=C3=B4rte=2DReal?=) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:44:03 -0800 Subject: Profiling an Epson R2880 Message-ID: <62e8012c1001161444t2a7bf927m3fed1293db047cb@mail.gmail.com> I've been trying to get decent color out of my Epson R2880 when printing with a specific paper. I'm using Gutenprint and the developer has told me the only real solution is to profile the printer. I was looking at this: http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2009/12/16/advances-of-freedom/ and wondering how close we are from being able to use one of these targets to profile a normal scanner and then print out the same target with the printer and profile the printer. The only added complexity I have here is that I don't own a scanner myself and would use one at the university, attached to a windows computer. So I would have to be able to color correct based on a finished JPEG/TIFF image, not at the moment of the scan. Cheers, Pedro From pmjdebruijn at pcode.nl Sat Jan 16 23:55:00 2010 From: pmjdebruijn at pcode.nl (Pascal de Bruijn) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 00:55:00 +0100 Subject: Profiling an Epson R2880 In-Reply-To: <62e8012c1001161444t2a7bf927m3fed1293db047cb@mail.gmail.com> References: <62e8012c1001161444t2a7bf927m3fed1293db047cb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c2c37f91001161555h658b195dl8e60d63d4eb1c98c@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 11:44 PM, Pedro C?rte-Real wrote: > I've been trying to get decent color out of my Epson R2880 when > printing with a specific paper. I'm using Gutenprint and the developer > has told me the only real solution is to profile the printer. I was > looking at this: > > http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2009/12/16/advances-of-freedom/ > > and wondering how close we are from being able to use one of these > targets to profile a normal scanner and then print out the same target > with the printer and profile the printer. Actually, ArgyllCMS (which GCM uses as a backend) can do this for a while now... However it's not recommended... It's inherently quite inaccurate... Buying a emissive photospectrometer is the only real option to get spot-on accuracy... These are pricy gadgets, so there are some online profiling services: http://www.christophe-metairie-photographie.com/profile.html Regards, Pascal de Bruijn From graeme2 at argyllcms.com Sat Jan 16 23:58:19 2010 From: graeme2 at argyllcms.com (Graeme Gill) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:58:19 +1100 Subject: Profiling an Epson R2880 In-Reply-To: <62e8012c1001161444t2a7bf927m3fed1293db047cb@mail.gmail.com> References: <62e8012c1001161444t2a7bf927m3fed1293db047cb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B52529B.2060200@argyllcms.com> Pedro C?rte-Real wrote: > I've been trying to get decent color out of my Epson R2880 when > printing with a specific paper. I'm using Gutenprint and the developer > has told me the only real solution is to profile the printer. I was > looking at this: > > http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2009/12/16/advances-of-freedom/ > > and wondering how close we are from being able to use one of these > targets to profile a normal scanner and then print out the same target > with the printer and profile the printer. People have attempted to profile printers in this way, but generally the results are a little disappointing. If the printer is way out, it can be an improvement, but often the neutral balance is sufficiently "off" that it's not entirely satisfactory. This is primarily because most affordable scanners "see" color quite differently to how we do, so the product of the scanner response, the reference chart and the printer output doesn't work so well together. If you're keen on trying this out, you can start looking here: Anyone serious about color should probably buy a color instrument, and the best value for print and other general profiling currently is probably the X-Rite ColorMunki. Graeme Gill. From markalanthomas at hotmail.fr Thu Jan 21 21:42:55 2010 From: markalanthomas at hotmail.fr (Mark Alan Thomas) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:42:55 -0800 Subject: GNOME Color Manager Message-ID: I'm trying to find a way to calibrate my display. I'm on the GNOME Color Manager page, being teased by promises of pre-compiled packages, but there is nary a package to be found. What's a noob to do? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hughsient at gmail.com Fri Jan 22 08:47:28 2010 From: hughsient at gmail.com (Richard Hughes) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 08:47:28 +0000 Subject: GNOME Color Manager In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15e53e181001220047i640c6d19r3cec40df7fc63629@mail.gmail.com> 2010/1/21 Mark Alan Thomas : > I'm trying to find a way to calibrate my display. I'm on the GNOME Color > Manager page, being teased by promises of pre-compiled packages, but there > is nary a package to be found.? What's a noob to do? What distro are you on? Richard. From pmjdebruijn at pcode.nl Fri Jan 22 10:22:05 2010 From: pmjdebruijn at pcode.nl (Pascal de Bruijn) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 11:22:05 +0100 Subject: GNOME Color Manager In-Reply-To: <15e53e181001220047i640c6d19r3cec40df7fc63629@mail.gmail.com> References: <15e53e181001220047i640c6d19r3cec40df7fc63629@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c2c37f91001220222o25dd9e3ey22b1900cbcce4473@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Richard Hughes wrote: > 2010/1/21 Mark Alan Thomas : >> I'm trying to find a way to calibrate my display. I'm on the GNOME Color >> Manager page, being teased by promises of pre-compiled packages, but there >> is nary a package to be found.? What's a noob to do? > > What distro are you on? If you are on Ubuntu Karmic, you can use my PPA: For development builds: https://launchpad.net/~pmjdebruijn/+archive/ppa For releases: https://launchpad.net/~pmjdebruijn/+archive/gcm-release I assume you do own a colorimeter? Regards, Pascal de Bruijn From pmjdebruijn at pcode.nl Wed Jan 27 18:56:33 2010 From: pmjdebruijn at pcode.nl (Pascal de Bruijn) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:56:33 +0100 Subject: GNOME 2.30 release Message-ID: <4c2c37f91001271056x617f9785gcfed552d026713b0@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Since the release of GNOME 2.30 is actually around a couple of corners, I'm wondering in what way GCM 2.30 will be part of GNOME 2.30... I'm assuming it will be released simultaneously... But will it be considered as part of the "core" GNOME 2.30? (I'm afraid not?) Will GCM be mentioned in the GNOME 2.30 release notes, so people will actually know it exists, even if the distro's won't install it by default? Regards, Pascal de Bruijn From hughsient at gmail.com Wed Jan 27 19:24:40 2010 From: hughsient at gmail.com (Richard Hughes) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:24:40 +0000 Subject: GNOME 2.30 release In-Reply-To: <4c2c37f91001271056x617f9785gcfed552d026713b0@mail.gmail.com> References: <4c2c37f91001271056x617f9785gcfed552d026713b0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <15e53e181001271124q60d3820egadf62b1b2421113f@mail.gmail.com> 2010/1/27 Pascal de Bruijn : > Since the release of GNOME 2.30 is actually around a couple of > corners, I'm wondering in what way GCM 2.30 will be part of GNOME > 2.30... Well, it's waaaay too late to propose GCM for 2-30 -- but I am intending to propose it for 2-32. > I'm assuming it will be released simultaneously... But will it be > considered as part of the "core" GNOME 2.30? (I'm afraid not?) No, it won't. Most of the big distros seems to be shipping it already tho. > Will GCM be mentioned in the GNOME 2.30 release notes, so people will > actually know it exists, even if the distro's won't install it by > default? Well, I know for sure that Fedora will be installing it by default. Even if it's a blessed module, it's still up to the distros whether it's included by default. Richard. From hughsient at gmail.com Fri Jan 1 18:55:07 2010 From: hughsient at gmail.com (Richard Hughes) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 18:55:07 +0000 Subject: Documentation Images: Display OSD In-Reply-To: References: <4c2c37f90912281020r14f14a8csd02b125cdbd5f7b9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <15e53e181001011055p14d5ea4fv973f36d27b822ea@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/29 Niklas Park : > A little warning seems to be in place here. Sure, and I think it would be pretty simple to mock up the same thing as a svg in inkscape and then we get resolution-independent help images for free. I also think we need more people to write more content in help, so if your new years resolution is to contribute more to OSS projects, we're in need of good content authors. :-) Richard. From hughsient at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 14:19:21 2010 From: hughsient at gmail.com (Richard Hughes) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 14:19:21 +0000 Subject: GNOME Color Manager 2.29.2 Message-ID: <15e53e181001040619w5c88f442kcf293fc8839d4756@mail.gmail.com> gnome-color-manager is a session program that makes it easy to manage, install and generate color profiles in the GNOME desktop. Version 2.29.2 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Released: 2010-01-04 * Translations - Added German help translation (Christian Kirbach) - Added Slovenian translation (Matej Urban?i?) - Added Spanish translation (Jorge Gonz?lez) - Updated Brazilian Portuguese translation (Flamarion Jorge) - Updated British English translation (Bruce Cowan) - Updated Danish translation (Joe Hansen) - Updated French translation (Claude Paroz) - Updated German translation (Christian Kirbach) - Updated German translation (Mario Bl?ttermann) - Updated Russian translation (Alexandre Prokoudine) - Updated Slovenian translation (Andrej ?nidar?i?) * New Features: - Add two elements in the UI, for RGB and CMYK working spaces (Richard Hughes) - Add a TRC curve to the profile display (Richard Hughes) - Add LCMS as a hard build-time dependency (Richard Hughes) - Add PackageKit integration so we can install shared-color-targets (Richard Hughes) - Offer to install ArgyllCMS if it is not installed, and the user wants to calibrate (Richard Hughes) - Add a simple GcmImage class that makes embedded color profiles 'just work' (Richard Hughes) - Import ICC profiles when dragged and dropped on the prefs capplet (Richard Hughes) - Linkify the copyright and manufacturer strings in the profile dialog (Richard Hughes) - Add a PolicyKit rule for the system-wide profiles install (Richard Hughes) - Load the system-wide default if it has been installed (Richard Hughes) * Bugfix: - Fix the reference file import filter (Pascal de Bruijn) - Also evaluate /usr/local/bin when searching for Argyll tools. Fixes #605552 (Pascal de Bruijn) - Add an icon for a colorspace conversion profile (Richard Hughes) - Fix the help file installation so that yelp recognizes our help file (Richard Hughes) - Do not install the demo ICC files, and instead depend on the shared-color-profiles package (Richard Hughes) - Fix using profiles with VCGT formulas encoded in them (Richard Hughes) - If getting the illuminants failed, try running it through the profile (Richard Hughes) - Use strftime rather than our own hand-rolled function (Richard Hughes) - Show the TRC curves in the UI, rather than the vcgt curves (Richard Hughes) - Make gcm-dump-edid more useful by showing parsed data if available (Richard Hughes) - Use as much of the EDID as we can when generating device IDs. Fixes #605013 (Richard Hughes) - Add an experimental user-calibrate wizard, which the user can use when there is no calibration hardware available (Richard Hughes) - Use the hardware calibration device in the profile name. Fixes #605259 (Richard Hughes) - Sanitize the basename in GcmCalibrate when set. Fixes #605348 (Richard Hughes) - Use the ORIGINATOR tag in the it8 file to specify a device prefix for the device calibration. Fixes #605259 (Richard Hughes) - Move the device matching from a hard-coded list to a set of udev rules (Richard Hughes) - Properly detect broken dispcal output. Fixes #605838 (Richard Hughes) Richard. From pmjdebruijn at pcode.nl Mon Jan 4 16:58:16 2010 From: pmjdebruijn at pcode.nl (Pascal de Bruijn) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 17:58:16 +0100 Subject: GNOME Color Manager 2.29.2 In-Reply-To: <15e53e181001040619w5c88f442kcf293fc8839d4756@mail.gmail.com> References: <15e53e181001040619w5c88f442kcf293fc8839d4756@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c2c37f91001040858p5776d662lbd141df29d85a515@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Richard Hughes wrote: > gnome-color-manager is a session program that makes it easy to manage, install > and generate color profiles in the GNOME desktop. > > Version 2.29.2 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Released: 2010-01-04 I have Ubuntu Karmic packages available on my "gcm-release" PPA: https://launchpad.net/~pmjdebruijn/+archive/gcm-release/+packages I noticed I rushed the builds a bit, as the changelog is erroneous, since it wasn't sources from git, but from ftp.gnome.org. But I'm not going to tax the PPA build farm just to fix this minor mistake. I've published 2.29.2-release on my regular PPA as well, but there I'll resume tracking git again once interesting patch hit git :) Thanks for the great work! Regards, Pascal de Bruijn From hughsient at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 17:01:50 2010 From: hughsient at gmail.com (Richard Hughes) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 17:01:50 +0000 Subject: GNOME Color Manager 2.29.2 In-Reply-To: <4c2c37f91001040858p5776d662lbd141df29d85a515@mail.gmail.com> References: <15e53e181001040619w5c88f442kcf293fc8839d4756@mail.gmail.com> <4c2c37f91001040858p5776d662lbd141df29d85a515@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <15e53e181001040901s2f93be43v373b04d241ca568e@mail.gmail.com> 2010/1/4 Pascal de Bruijn : > I have Ubuntu Karmic packages available on my "gcm-release" PPA: You probably want to also package shared-color-targets and shared-color-profiles also. You can find tarballs here: http://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/releases/ Richard. From hughsient at gmail.com Tue Jan 5 10:37:29 2010 From: hughsient at gmail.com (Richard Hughes) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:37:29 +0000 Subject: GNOME Color Manager 2.29.2 In-Reply-To: <4c2c37f91001040858p5776d662lbd141df29d85a515@mail.gmail.com> References: <15e53e181001040619w5c88f442kcf293fc8839d4756@mail.gmail.com> <4c2c37f91001040858p5776d662lbd141df29d85a515@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <15e53e181001050237k7e90132duba562706b15a766@mail.gmail.com> 2010/1/4 Pascal de Bruijn : > I have Ubuntu Karmic packages available on my "gcm-release" PPA: Official F13 (should work on F12 too) builds here: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=1902775 Richard. From hughsient at gmail.com Thu Jan 14 18:45:57 2010 From: hughsient at gmail.com (Richard Hughes) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:45:57 +0000 Subject: Progress so far Message-ID: <15e53e181001141045l12684d02k1475d177bf3f816e@mail.gmail.com> So, not a lot of activity in gnome-color-manager repos in the last few days. Let me explain why: * There's no point writing a tiny library to color manage pixbuf's, it belongs in the GDK/GTK layer * We can't depend on lcms in GTK as we'll want other things on Windows7 and OSX. * Nobody wanted to open the can of worms So, for the last few evenings, I've written a mega-patch (https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=606885) that adds in GtkColorProfile, GtkColorTransform and GtkColorEngine objects to GTK, and quite a bit of the interface code that makes all that possible. There are many more changes to be made, but when this patch is committed we can easily make a GtkImage that is color corrected, and not have to worry about doing it in the application. In essence, applications become color managed for free, and have to manually opt-out of having pixbufs transformed by embedded profiles. This makes things _much_ simpler. The lcms bits are written as a GIO extension point, and it falls back to a NOP or memcpy if lcms is not available. I've hopefully designed the API to be efficient and easy to use (and portable to other systems). The patch still needs a lot more upstream review, but I wanted to keep you guys in the loop. When this is complete, we can move onto GtkImage and start doing more useful things. Needless to say, this will make GcmImage obsolete. Richard. From alexandre.prokoudine at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 22:04:10 2010 From: alexandre.prokoudine at gmail.com (Alexandre Prokoudine) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 01:04:10 +0300 Subject: Progress so far In-Reply-To: <15e53e181001141045l12684d02k1475d177bf3f816e@mail.gmail.com> References: <15e53e181001141045l12684d02k1475d177bf3f816e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <733f2c731001151404l6c3744f2wc0d0b717d2fac545@mail.gmail.com> *after reading the whole thread* Color managed Cairo will make things A LOT easier for many graphics related applications. TOP3 list: GIMP, Inkscape, sK1 Alexandre On 1/14/10, Richard Hughes wrote: > So, not a lot of activity in gnome-color-manager repos in the last few > days. Let me explain why: > > * There's no point writing a tiny library to color manage pixbuf's, it > belongs in the GDK/GTK layer > * We can't depend on lcms in GTK as we'll want other things on Windows7 and > OSX. > * Nobody wanted to open the can of worms > > So, for the last few evenings, I've written a mega-patch > (https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=606885) that adds in > GtkColorProfile, GtkColorTransform and GtkColorEngine objects to GTK, > and quite a bit of the interface code that makes all that possible. > There are many more changes to be made, but when this patch is > committed we can easily make a GtkImage that is color corrected, and > not have to worry about doing it in the application. In essence, > applications become color managed for free, and have to manually > opt-out of having pixbufs transformed by embedded profiles. This makes > things _much_ simpler. > > The lcms bits are written as a GIO extension point, and it falls back > to a NOP or memcpy if lcms is not available. I've hopefully designed > the API to be efficient and easy to use (and portable to other > systems). The patch still needs a lot more upstream review, but I > wanted to keep you guys in the loop. > > When this is complete, we can move onto GtkImage and start doing more > useful things. Needless to say, this will make GcmImage obsolete. > > Richard. > _______________________________________________ > gnome-color-manager-list mailing list > gnome-color-manager-list at gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-color-manager-list > -- Alexandre From pedro at pedrocr.net Sat Jan 16 22:44:03 2010 From: pedro at pedrocr.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Pedro_C=C3=B4rte=2DReal?=) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:44:03 -0800 Subject: Profiling an Epson R2880 Message-ID: <62e8012c1001161444t2a7bf927m3fed1293db047cb@mail.gmail.com> I've been trying to get decent color out of my Epson R2880 when printing with a specific paper. I'm using Gutenprint and the developer has told me the only real solution is to profile the printer. I was looking at this: http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2009/12/16/advances-of-freedom/ and wondering how close we are from being able to use one of these targets to profile a normal scanner and then print out the same target with the printer and profile the printer. The only added complexity I have here is that I don't own a scanner myself and would use one at the university, attached to a windows computer. So I would have to be able to color correct based on a finished JPEG/TIFF image, not at the moment of the scan. Cheers, Pedro From pmjdebruijn at pcode.nl Sat Jan 16 23:55:00 2010 From: pmjdebruijn at pcode.nl (Pascal de Bruijn) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 00:55:00 +0100 Subject: Profiling an Epson R2880 In-Reply-To: <62e8012c1001161444t2a7bf927m3fed1293db047cb@mail.gmail.com> References: <62e8012c1001161444t2a7bf927m3fed1293db047cb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c2c37f91001161555h658b195dl8e60d63d4eb1c98c@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 11:44 PM, Pedro C?rte-Real wrote: > I've been trying to get decent color out of my Epson R2880 when > printing with a specific paper. I'm using Gutenprint and the developer > has told me the only real solution is to profile the printer. I was > looking at this: > > http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2009/12/16/advances-of-freedom/ > > and wondering how close we are from being able to use one of these > targets to profile a normal scanner and then print out the same target > with the printer and profile the printer. Actually, ArgyllCMS (which GCM uses as a backend) can do this for a while now... However it's not recommended... It's inherently quite inaccurate... Buying a emissive photospectrometer is the only real option to get spot-on accuracy... These are pricy gadgets, so there are some online profiling services: http://www.christophe-metairie-photographie.com/profile.html Regards, Pascal de Bruijn From graeme2 at argyllcms.com Sat Jan 16 23:58:19 2010 From: graeme2 at argyllcms.com (Graeme Gill) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:58:19 +1100 Subject: Profiling an Epson R2880 In-Reply-To: <62e8012c1001161444t2a7bf927m3fed1293db047cb@mail.gmail.com> References: <62e8012c1001161444t2a7bf927m3fed1293db047cb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B52529B.2060200@argyllcms.com> Pedro C?rte-Real wrote: > I've been trying to get decent color out of my Epson R2880 when > printing with a specific paper. I'm using Gutenprint and the developer > has told me the only real solution is to profile the printer. I was > looking at this: > > http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2009/12/16/advances-of-freedom/ > > and wondering how close we are from being able to use one of these > targets to profile a normal scanner and then print out the same target > with the printer and profile the printer. People have attempted to profile printers in this way, but generally the results are a little disappointing. If the printer is way out, it can be an improvement, but often the neutral balance is sufficiently "off" that it's not entirely satisfactory. This is primarily because most affordable scanners "see" color quite differently to how we do, so the product of the scanner response, the reference chart and the printer output doesn't work so well together. If you're keen on trying this out, you can start looking here: Anyone serious about color should probably buy a color instrument, and the best value for print and other general profiling currently is probably the X-Rite ColorMunki. Graeme Gill. From markalanthomas at hotmail.fr Thu Jan 21 21:42:55 2010 From: markalanthomas at hotmail.fr (Mark Alan Thomas) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:42:55 -0800 Subject: GNOME Color Manager Message-ID: I'm trying to find a way to calibrate my display. I'm on the GNOME Color Manager page, being teased by promises of pre-compiled packages, but there is nary a package to be found. What's a noob to do? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hughsient at gmail.com Fri Jan 22 08:47:28 2010 From: hughsient at gmail.com (Richard Hughes) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 08:47:28 +0000 Subject: GNOME Color Manager In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15e53e181001220047i640c6d19r3cec40df7fc63629@mail.gmail.com> 2010/1/21 Mark Alan Thomas : > I'm trying to find a way to calibrate my display. I'm on the GNOME Color > Manager page, being teased by promises of pre-compiled packages, but there > is nary a package to be found.? What's a noob to do? What distro are you on? Richard. From pmjdebruijn at pcode.nl Fri Jan 22 10:22:05 2010 From: pmjdebruijn at pcode.nl (Pascal de Bruijn) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 11:22:05 +0100 Subject: GNOME Color Manager In-Reply-To: <15e53e181001220047i640c6d19r3cec40df7fc63629@mail.gmail.com> References: <15e53e181001220047i640c6d19r3cec40df7fc63629@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c2c37f91001220222o25dd9e3ey22b1900cbcce4473@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Richard Hughes wrote: > 2010/1/21 Mark Alan Thomas : >> I'm trying to find a way to calibrate my display. I'm on the GNOME Color >> Manager page, being teased by promises of pre-compiled packages, but there >> is nary a package to be found.? What's a noob to do? > > What distro are you on? If you are on Ubuntu Karmic, you can use my PPA: For development builds: https://launchpad.net/~pmjdebruijn/+archive/ppa For releases: https://launchpad.net/~pmjdebruijn/+archive/gcm-release I assume you do own a colorimeter? Regards, Pascal de Bruijn From pmjdebruijn at pcode.nl Wed Jan 27 18:56:33 2010 From: pmjdebruijn at pcode.nl (Pascal de Bruijn) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:56:33 +0100 Subject: GNOME 2.30 release Message-ID: <4c2c37f91001271056x617f9785gcfed552d026713b0@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Since the release of GNOME 2.30 is actually around a couple of corners, I'm wondering in what way GCM 2.30 will be part of GNOME 2.30... I'm assuming it will be released simultaneously... But will it be considered as part of the "core" GNOME 2.30? (I'm afraid not?) Will GCM be mentioned in the GNOME 2.30 release notes, so people will actually know it exists, even if the distro's won't install it by default? Regards, Pascal de Bruijn From hughsient at gmail.com Wed Jan 27 19:24:40 2010 From: hughsient at gmail.com (Richard Hughes) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:24:40 +0000 Subject: GNOME 2.30 release In-Reply-To: <4c2c37f91001271056x617f9785gcfed552d026713b0@mail.gmail.com> References: <4c2c37f91001271056x617f9785gcfed552d026713b0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <15e53e181001271124q60d3820egadf62b1b2421113f@mail.gmail.com> 2010/1/27 Pascal de Bruijn : > Since the release of GNOME 2.30 is actually around a couple of > corners, I'm wondering in what way GCM 2.30 will be part of GNOME > 2.30... Well, it's waaaay too late to propose GCM for 2-30 -- but I am intending to propose it for 2-32. > I'm assuming it will be released simultaneously... But will it be > considered as part of the "core" GNOME 2.30? (I'm afraid not?) No, it won't. Most of the big distros seems to be shipping it already tho. > Will GCM be mentioned in the GNOME 2.30 release notes, so people will > actually know it exists, even if the distro's won't install it by > default? Well, I know for sure that Fedora will be installing it by default. Even if it's a blessed module, it's still up to the distros whether it's included by default. Richard.