Re: Seb128 post in Planet GNOME

On Sun, 30 Jun 2019 at 07:24, <philip chimento gmail com> wrote:
There does indeed seem to be a lot of attempts at public shaming recently. There's the, Michael's blog posts, and now this. I have a pair of blog posts in mind (with my community member hat on), but they will probably still take a while until they are cooked. One against public shaming, and one about how to deal politely with demanding users.

Nice. I had one in mind too, about how positive is for all of us to have GNOME as the collaboration hub of a big part of the Linux ecosystem. I was going to explain that having different companies represented as community members and adboard sitting together talking how they can collaborate is very unique and valuable, but that this is something that needs regular care and attention. Something along those lines, looks related to your first post.

(For those who missed it, the context of the second one is that there was a spam attack today on GitLab of a user creating ~50 duplicates of the same feature request, claiming it was a "peaceful protest". Obviously unacceptable, but the issue seems to have escalated to this point after a GNOME community member in a moment of frustration reacted to a comment on the initial feature request with the 🖕 emoji.)

PS. Note that Sebastian's previous blog post was actually defending against Michael's recent shaming of Ubuntu, and before that there was a 10 year gap in his blog :-P 

On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 1:57 AM Carlos Soriano via board-list <board-list gnome org> wrote:
Thanks Allan.

On Fri, 28 Jun 2019 at 10:46, Allan Day <aday gnome org> wrote:
Carlos Soriano via board-list <board-list gnome org> wrote:
> I wanted to bring to our attention Sebastian blog that was published yesterday in planet GNOME. Personally speaking, I think it crosses the line.

Thanks for bringing this up, Carlos. I agree that this is something we
should address.

> My short-term suggestion is to proactively reach out to Carl and mention that we are sorry this appeared in planet GNOME and that he feels that way, that the board will discuss the matter and that we are open to suggestion on how we can improve the situation. Neil, what do you think?

This sounds great to me.

I agree that we need to look again at how we can encourage
non-confrontational communication, and I'd welcome the opportunity to
discuss this further.

I think we also need to address the perception that GNOME doesn't
value its downstreams. If the assertion that no one from GNOME has
ever said anything positive about Pop! OS, then that's pretty bad
indeed. Can the board or the ED potentially take the lead in
generating a more welcoming environment for distributions? A few "we
love our distros and they're awesome" posts could go a long way.

Yeah, that sounds like a great idea.

I made the email in a bit of a rush, rereading it now I realize it might have sounded like I was proposing corrective actions. I actually had in mind something positive, like what you've proposed.


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