From ab285@starband.net Sat Aug 31 23:18:37 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: garnome-list@gnome.org Received: from cepheus.email.starband.net (smtp2.starband.net [148.78.247.23]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 285C418113 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 23:18:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew (vsat-148-63-132-181.c189.t7.mrt.starband.net [148.63.132.181]) by cepheus.email.starband.net (8.12.4/8.12.4) with SMTP id g813IPkH000664 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 23:18:29 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01c25166$425843b0$0501a8c0@andrew> From: "Andrew Bartholomew" To: Subject: GARNOME fails at gnome-fifth toe during download Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 23:18:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C25144.B57DED30" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: garnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: garnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: garnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: garnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For users and developers of the GARNOME distribution of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C25144.B57DED30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This happens to me at every version. GARNOME can't download = gtk-thinice-engine off sourceforge.net It just sits there for a while = and doesn't respond. It retries many times and still doesn't download. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C25144.B57DED30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This happens to me at every = version.  GARNOME=20 can't download gtk-thinice-engine off sourceforge.net It just sits there = for a=20 while and doesn't respond.  It retries many times and still doesn't = download.
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C25144.B57DED30-- From jtrickett@hwcn.org Sat Aug 31 23:20:06 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: garnome-list@gnome.org Received: from james.hwcn.org (james.hwcn.org [199.212.94.66]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83908182CD for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 23:20:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dundurn26.hwcn.org (dundurn26.hwcn.org [199.212.94.165]) by james.hwcn.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA22503 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 23:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: gdm question From: Jason Trickett To: "garnome-list@gnome.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-iRhom+EUhZqpyvFhOEos" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 31 Aug 2002 23:20:51 -0400 Message-Id: <1030850453.5648.3.camel@cronos> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: garnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: garnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: garnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: garnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For users and developers of the GARNOME distribution of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-iRhom+EUhZqpyvFhOEos Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi. I installed gdm thru gnome-fifth-toe (garnome-0.13.1) and I wish to use this newer version as my login manager. Could someone point me in the right direction? Thanks. - Jason --=-iRhom+EUhZqpyvFhOEos Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi.
I installed gdm thru gnome-fifth-toe (garnome-0.13.1) and I wish to use this newer version as my login manager. Could someone point me in the right direction? Thanks.

- Jason

--=-iRhom+EUhZqpyvFhOEos-- From hunter1409@web.de Sun Sep 1 01:14:36 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: garnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mailgate5.cinetic.de (mailgate5.cinetic.de [217.72.192.165]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5285D182F3 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 01:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web.de (fmomail02.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.1.46]) by mailgate5.cinetic.de (8.11.2/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.0-0.4) with SMTP id g815EZX23163 for garnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 07:14:35 +0200 Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 07:14:35 +0200 Message-Id: <200209010514.g815EZX23163@mailgate5.cinetic.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ From: Christian Ostroznik To: "garnome-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: gdm question Precedence: fm-user Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="STEFAN3d71a23a7086" Sender: garnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: garnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: garnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: garnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For users and developers of the GARNOME distribution of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a MIME encoded message. --STEFAN3d71a23a7086 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht (HTML) wurde als Anlage beigef=FCgt.----- Von: Jason Trickett Gesendet: 01.09.02 05:21:07 An: "Christian Ostroznik" Betreff: Re: gdm question Never tried that my self, but: - Download the same gdm Version you have - Uninstall old gdm - Link all gdm Files from $HOME/garnome/... to /usr/bin - Restart X If it ist noch working, delete the Links and reinstall gdm by=20 init 3 rpm -ihv gdm*.rpm init 5 Hunter =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F Die clevere Geldreserve: der DiBa-Privatkredit. Funktioniert wie ein Dispo= ,=20 ist aber viel gunstiger! 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Could someone point me in the > right direction? Thanks. Prolly depends on distro. On debian I installed gdm into the garnome install directory (as root, but I don't know if that is needed [I figrured so because of pam interaction]. Everything else I installed as user). Then I edited /etc/init.d/gdm to point to the new gdm. Also, either set HEED_DEFAULT_DISPLAY_MANAGER=false in /etc/init.d/gdm or leave it as true, but change /etc/X11/default-display-manager to point to new gdm. (There may be a Debian Way to set this, but I couldn't find it and just used vi) From jtrickett@hwcn.org Sun Sep 1 03:44:28 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: garnome-list@gnome.org Received: from james.hwcn.org (james.hwcn.org [199.212.94.66]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93DD718168 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 03:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dundurn16.hwcn.org (dundurn16.hwcn.org [199.212.94.155]) by james.hwcn.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA11977 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 03:44:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: compile error - GARNOME 0.13.1 From: Jason Trickett To: "garnome-list@gnome.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-37EPEB2iVWoT7nb30NMd" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 01 Sep 2002 03:45:14 -0400 Message-Id: <1030866317.8238.5.camel@cronos> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: garnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: garnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: garnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: garnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For users and developers of the GARNOME distribution of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-37EPEB2iVWoT7nb30NMd Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi guys. I encounter the following error message when compiling gimp 1.3.7 (gnome-fifth-toe). If anybody can decipher it and lead me in the right direction I will be most thankful. Thanks! - Jason : undefined reference to `procedural_db_execute' plug-in/libappplug-in.a(plug-in.o): In function `plug_in_handle_proc_install': /home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-in.c:1612: undefined reference to `procedural_db_register' plug-in/libappplug-in.a(plug-in.o): In function `plug_in_temp_run': /home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-in.c:1835: undefined reference to `procedural_db_return_args' /home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-in.c:1849: undefined reference to `procedural_db_return_args' plug-in/libappplug-in.a(plug-ins.o): In function `plug_ins_add_to_db': /home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-ins.c:591: undefined reference to `procedural_db_register' /home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-ins.c:623: undefined reference to `procedural_db_execute' plug-in/libappplug-in.a(plug-ins.o): In function `plug_ins_proc_def_remove': /home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-ins.c:728: undefined reference to `procedural_db_unregister' plug-in/libappplug-in.a(plug-in-params.o): In function `plug_in_args_destroy': /home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-in-params.c:450: undefined reference to `procedural_db_destroy_args' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[6]: *** [gimp-1.3] Error 1 make[6]: Leaving directory `/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app' make[5]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[5]: Leaving directory `/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app' make[4]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[4]: Leaving directory `/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7' make[3]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7' make[2]: *** [build-work/gimp-1.3.7/Makefile] Error 2 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp' make[1]: *** [dep-../../gnome/gimp] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp-freetype' make: *** [dep-../../gnome/gimp-freetype] Error 2 --=-37EPEB2iVWoT7nb30NMd Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi guys. I encounter the following error message when compiling gimp 1.3.7 (gnome-fifth-toe). If anybody can decipher it and lead me in the right direction I will be most thankful. Thanks!

- Jason

: undefined reference to `procedural_db_execute'
plug-in/libappplug-in.a(plug-in.o): In function `plug_in_handle_proc_install':
/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-in.c:1612: undefined reference to `procedural_db_register'
plug-in/libappplug-in.a(plug-in.o): In function `plug_in_temp_run':
/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-in.c:1835: undefined reference to `procedural_db_return_args'
/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-in.c:1849: undefined reference to `procedural_db_return_args'
plug-in/libappplug-in.a(plug-ins.o): In function `plug_ins_add_to_db':
/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-ins.c:591: undefined reference to `procedural_db_register'
/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-ins.c:623: undefined reference to `procedural_db_execute'
plug-in/libappplug-in.a(plug-ins.o): In function `plug_ins_proc_def_remove':
/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-ins.c:728: undefined reference to `procedural_db_unregister'
plug-in/libappplug-in.a(plug-in-params.o): In function `plug_in_args_destroy':
/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-in-params.c:450: undefined reference to `procedural_db_destroy_args'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[6]: *** [gimp-1.3] Error 1
make[6]: Leaving directory `/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app'
make[5]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[5]: Leaving directory `/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app'
make[4]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[4]: Leaving directory `/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7'
make[3]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7'
make[2]: *** [build-work/gimp-1.3.7/Makefile] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp'
make[1]: *** [dep-../../gnome/gimp] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp-freetype'
make: *** [dep-../../gnome/gimp-freetype] Error 2
--=-37EPEB2iVWoT7nb30NMd-- From jtrickett@hwcn.org Sun Sep 1 03:59:00 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: garnome-list@gnome.org Received: from james.hwcn.org (james.hwcn.org [199.212.94.66]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28914184A1 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 03:58:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dundurn16.hwcn.org (dundurn16.hwcn.org [199.212.94.155]) by james.hwcn.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA12719 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 03:58:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: gdm question From: Jason Trickett To: "garnome-list@gnome.org" In-Reply-To: <1030865709.10687.106.camel@sonic> References: <1030850453.5648.3.camel@cronos> <1030865709.10687.106.camel@sonic> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-pfdNFRCyf3+86IHfakx1" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 01 Sep 2002 03:59:41 -0400 Message-Id: <1030867183.8238.16.camel@cronos> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: garnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: garnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: garnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: garnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For users and developers of the GARNOME distribution of GNOME List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-pfdNFRCyf3+86IHfakx1 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sun, 2002-09-01 at 03:35, Mario Vukelic wrote: On Sun, 2002-09-01 at 05:20, Jason Trickett wrote: > Hi. > I installed gdm thru gnome-fifth-toe (garnome-0.13.1) and I wish to use > this newer version as my login manager. Could someone point me in the > right direction? Thanks. > Prolly depends on distro. On debian I installed gdm into the garnome > install directory (as root, but I don't know if that is needed [I > figrured so because of pam interaction]. Everything else I installed as > user). Then I edited /etc/init.d/gdm to point to the new gdm. Also, > either set HEED_DEFAULT_DISPLAY_MANAGER=false in /etc/init.d/gdm or > leave it as true, but change /etc/X11/default-display-manager to point > to new gdm. (There may be a Debian Way to set this, but I couldn't find > it and just used vi) Thanks for answering! I looked in /etc/init.d/ and there was not a file named gdm to edit on my system (mandrake 8.1). Anyhoo, in /etc/X11/prefdm i noticed some code that looks like this: preferred= if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/desktop ]; then . /etc/sysconfig/desktop >/dev/null 2>&1 [ -n "$DISPLAYMANAGER" ] && DESKTOP=$DISPLAYMANAGER if [ "$DESKTOP" = "GNOME" -o "$DESKTOP" = "Gnome" ]; then preferred=gdm elif [ "$DESKTOP" = "KDE" -o "$DESKTOP" = "KDE1" -o "$DESKTOP" = "KDE2" ]; then preferred=/usr/bin/kdm elif [ "$DESKTOP" = "AnotherLevel" ] ; then preferred=/usr/X11R6/bin/xdm fi fi Could I edit 'preferred-gdm' to 'preferred=/home/jason/garnome/gdm' ? - Jason -- garnome-list mailing list garnome-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/garnome-list --=-pfdNFRCyf3+86IHfakx1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 On Sun, 2002-09-01 at 03:35, Mario Vukelic wrote: 
On Sun, 2002-09-01 at 05:20, Jason Trickett wrote:
> Hi.
> I installed gdm thru gnome-fifth-toe (garnome-0.13.1) and I wish to use
> this newer version as my login manager. Could someone point me in the
> right direction? Thanks.

> Prolly depends on distro. On debian I installed gdm into the garnome
> install directory (as root, but I don't know if that is needed [I
> figrured so because of pam interaction]. Everything else I installed as
> user). Then I edited /etc/init.d/gdm to point to the new gdm. Also,
> either set HEED_DEFAULT_DISPLAY_MANAGER=false in /etc/init.d/gdm or
> leave it as true, but change /etc/X11/default-display-manager to point
> to new gdm. (There may be a Debian Way to set this, but I couldn't find
> it and just used vi)
Thanks for answering! I looked in /etc/init.d/ and there was not a file named gdm to edit on my system (mandrake 8.1). Anyhoo, in /etc/X11/prefdm i noticed some code that looks like this:

preferred=
if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/desktop ]; then
. /etc/sysconfig/desktop >/dev/null 2>&1
[ -n "$DISPLAYMANAGER" ] && DESKTOP=$DISPLAYMANAGER
if [ "$DESKTOP" = "GNOME" -o "$DESKTOP" = "Gnome" ]; then
preferred=gdm
elif [ "$DESKTOP" = "KDE" -o "$DESKTOP" = "KDE1" -o "$DESKTOP" = "KDE2" ]; then
preferred=/usr/bin/kdm
elif [ "$DESKTOP" = "AnotherLevel" ] ; then
                preferred=/usr/X11R6/bin/xdm
fi
fi

Could I edit 'preferred-gdm' to 'preferred=/home/jason/garnome/gdm' ?

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> Thanks for answering! I looked in /etc/init.d/ and there was not a file
> named gdm to edit on my system (mandrake 8.1).

Okay, as a warning, Mandrake does some really odd stuff with its X and *DM
startup scripts...

> Anyhoo, in /etc/X11/prefdm i noticed some code that looks like this:

> if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/desktop ]; then

> Could I edit 'preferred-gdm' to 'preferred=/home/jason/garnome/gdm' ?

No, it sounds like you want to edit environment variables set in
/etc/sysconfig/desktop. Or, you could just change /etc/inittab, but I'd
recommend attempting to do it 'The Mandrake Way' to begin with.

- Jeff

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Jeff Waugh wrote:

>
>
>  
>
>>Thanks for answering! I looked in /etc/init.d/ and there was not a file
>>named gdm to edit on my system (mandrake 8.1).
>>    
>>
>
>Okay, as a warning, Mandrake does some really odd stuff with its X and *DM
>startup scripts...
>
>  
>
>>Anyhoo, in /etc/X11/prefdm i noticed some code that looks like this:
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/desktop ]; then
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>Could I edit 'preferred-gdm' to 'preferred=/home/jason/garnome/gdm' ?
>>    
>>
>
>No, it sounds like you want to edit environment variables set in
>/etc/sysconfig/desktop. Or, you could just change /etc/inittab, but I'd
>recommend attempting to do it 'The Mandrake Way' to begin with.
>
>- Jeff
>
Wow, this is getting weird! The only contents in my 
/etc/sysconfig/desktop file is:

DESKTOP="Gnome"

Isn't this where my default desktop choice is stored? Also, in 
/etc/inittab the last few lines are:

# Run xdm in runlevel 5
# xdm is now a separate service
x:5:respawn:/etc/X11/prefdm -nodaemon

Isn't this just pointing back to the 'prefdm' file I mentioned before? 
All this jumping around is making my head spin

:)

- Jason


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> Wow, this is getting weird! The only contents in my 
> /etc/sysconfig/desktop file is:
> 
> DESKTOP="Gnome"
> 
> Isn't this where my default desktop choice is stored? Also, in 
> /etc/inittab the last few lines are:
> 
> # Run xdm in runlevel 5
> # xdm is now a separate service
> x:5:respawn:/etc/X11/prefdm -nodaemon
> 
> Isn't this just pointing back to the 'prefdm' file I mentioned before? 

Yeah, but see that it chooses the *DM based on other variables that its
looking for, so I'm assuming you can set them in /etc/sysconfig/desktop as
prefdm sources that file.

> All this jumping around is making my head spin

Welcome to Mandrake. :-)

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> > Isn't this just pointing back to the 'prefdm' file I mentioned before? 
> 
> Yeah, but see that it chooses the *DM based on other variables that its
> looking for, so I'm assuming you can set them in /etc/sysconfig/desktop as
> prefdm sources that file.

(If you haven't added your own desktop stuff for GARNOME, just change the
prefdm script, but note that Mandrake will kill it off later when you
upgrade or whatever.)

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is anyone keeping track of package dependencies outside of gnome-desktop
yet?  I know Jeff asked if someone would before.  If no one is yet, I'd be
willing to compile a simple list if people want to send me what
dependencies they know.

Also totem needs xine more recent than installed in woody.  Anyone know
where I can find debs for xine?

Sean



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Hi Sean,

On Sun, 2002-09-01 at 11:43, Sean Proctor wrote:
> is anyone keeping track of package dependencies outside of gnome-desktop
> yet?  I know Jeff asked if someone would before.  If no one is yet, I'd be
> willing to compile a simple list if people want to send me what
> dependencies they know.

I thought about compiling a list with dependencies, but wasn't sure what
would be the best way to make it. Ideally, you'd like to have a list of
packages needed for the individual components in gnome-fifth-toe. 

However, I couldn't think of a way to do so, except for the brain-dead
"delete all -dev packages, try to compile, successively add the required
-dev packages". Doing that for each component of fifth-toe would take
ages ... (and isn't particularly interesting).

The dependencies I found for all of gnome-fifth-toe together, just by
using GARNOME over time, are these:
  libogg-dev
  libvorbis-dev
  libpspell-dev
  libltdl3-devel
  libxine-dev
Package names are Debian sid's names.

> Also totem needs xine more recent than installed in woody.  Anyone know
> where I can find debs for xine?

Just use the sid packages?

Martijn


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On Sun, 2002-09-01 at 15:56, Martijn Anthonissen wrote:
> The dependencies I found for all of gnome-fifth-toe together, just by
> using GARNOME over time, are these:
>   libogg-dev
>   libvorbis-dev
>   libpspell-dev
>   libltdl3-devel
                ^^

Sorry: skip the "el" there. The package name is libltdl3-dev.

>   libxine-dev
> Package names are Debian sid's names.



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On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 12:16:00AM +0200, Olivier Guéry wrote:
> 
> Le 2002.08.31 22:10, Sean Proctor a écrit :
> >On Sun, 1 Sep 2002, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> >
> >> 
> >>
> >> > >That may have confused configure -> kill it and try again.
> >> >
> >> > You think a  rpm -e ??
> >> >
> >> > I also got a libiconv 1.8 compiled and install.
> >>
> >> ^ ARGH! NO WONDER!
> >
> >That's a problem I've had too.  Perhaps I didn't read libiconv close
> >enough.  libiconv is only for systems without glibc (or maybe system
> >with
> >really ancient glibc).  I don't know why mandrake would give you the
> >option of installing it.  You definitely shouldn't have it though.
> >
> >Sean
> 
> True... Removing libiconv make teh compilation work without problems.
> 
> Thank's all.
> 
> nemo.
> 

ARGGGG !!!!
Without libiconv, balsa don't work...
what can I do ??
I can't find libiciconv.so in garnome...

nemo.


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when i try to compile ggv in gnome-fifth-toe i get the following error:


-rpath -Wl,/home/paessler/garnome/lib
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Stream_GetShort'
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Stream_ExitFrame'
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Stream_GetLong'
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Stream_Seek'
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Get_Next_Char'
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Stream_EnterFrame'
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Get_First_Char'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[5]: *** [ggv] Error 1
make[5]: Leaving directory
`/usr/src/pakete/garnome-0.14.1/gnome/ggv/work/ggv-1.99.90/src'
make[4]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[4]: Leaving directory
`/usr/src/pakete/garnome-0.14.1/gnome/ggv/work/ggv-1.99.90/src'
make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory
`/usr/src/pakete/garnome-0.14.1/gnome/ggv/work/ggv-1.99.90'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/usr/src/pakete/garnome-0.14.1/gnome/ggv/work/ggv-1.99.90'
make[1]: *** [build-work/ggv-1.99.90/Makefile] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/pakete/garnome-0.14.1/gnome/ggv'
make: *** [dep-../../gnome/ggv] Error 2

pango is installed properly, so what is wrong?
any suggestions?

thanks

daniel


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> However, I couldn't think of a way to do so, except for the brain-dead
> "delete all -dev packages, try to compile, successively add the required
> -dev packages". Doing that for each component of fifth-toe would take
> ages ... (and isn't particularly interesting).

Heh. :-)

> The dependencies I found for all of gnome-fifth-toe together, just by
> using GARNOME over time, are these:
>   libogg-dev
>   libvorbis-dev
>   libpspell-dev
>   libltdl3-devel
>   libxine-dev
> Package names are Debian sid's names.

What I'm thinking of doing is noting these in the garball Makefiles, then
building a set of reference pages from those.

I have to upgrade to upstream GAR anyway, so I'll look at it again some time
this week.

Thanks for these,

- Jeff

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Im' ruinning a Slackware 8.0 with Xfree 4.1
I've just downloaded all the Gnome 2.0.1 tarballs and I'm using garnome 
0.13.1
This is the error I get:


In file included from pangoxft-private.h:25,
                  from pangoxft-font.c:26:
pangoxft.h:64: parse error before `pango_xft_font_get_face'
pangoxft.h:64: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of 
`pango_xft_font_get_face'
pangoxft.h:64: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
In file included from pangoxft-font.c:27:
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:34: parse error before 
`_XftFTlibrary'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:34: warning: type defaults to 
`int' in declaration of `_XftFTlibrary'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:34: warning: data definition 
has no type or storage class
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:37: parse error before 
`FT_Face'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:37: warning: no semicolon at 
end of struct or union
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:41: parse error before `size'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:41: warning: type defaults to 
`int' in declaration of `size'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:41: warning: data definition 
has no type or storage class
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:54: parse error before `matrix'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:54: warning: type defaults to 
`int' in declaration of `matrix'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:54: warning: data definition 
has no type or storage class
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:71: parse error before `face'
pangoxft-font.c: In function `get_mini_font':
pangoxft-font.c:164: `FT_Face' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:164: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
pangoxft-font.c:164: for each function it appears in.)
pangoxft-font.c:164: parse error before `face'
pangoxft-font.c:176: `face' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:181: warning: implicit declaration of function 
`FT_Get_Char_Index'
pangoxft-font.c: In function `pango_xft_real_render':
pangoxft-font.c:290: `FT_Face' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:290: parse error before `face'
pangoxft-font.c:312: `face' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c: In function `pango_xft_font_get_coverage':
pangoxft-font.c:531: `FT_Face' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:531: parse error before `face'
pangoxft-font.c:544: `face' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:549: `FT_UInt' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:549: parse error before `gindex'
pangoxft-font.c:550: `FT_ULong' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:552: `charcode' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:552: warning: implicit declaration of function 
`FT_Get_First_Char'
pangoxft-font.c:552: `gindex' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:556: warning: implicit declaration of function 
`FT_Get_Next_Char'
pangoxft-font.c: At top level:
pangoxft-font.c:681: parse error before `face'
pangoxft-font.c: In function `set_unicode_charmap':
pangoxft-font.c:685: `face' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:686: `ft_encoding_unicode' undeclared (first use in 
this function)
pangoxft-font.c:688: `FT_Error' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:688: parse error before `error'
pangoxft-font.c:689: `error' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:689: `FT_Err_Ok' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c: In function `load_fallback_font':
pangoxft-font.c:717: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
pangoxft-font.c: In function `pango_xft_font_get_font':
pangoxft-font.c:766: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
pangoxft-font.c: At top level:
pangoxft-font.c:834: parse error before `pango_xft_font_get_face'
pangoxft-font.c:835: warning: return-type defaults to `int'
pangoxft-font.c: In function `pango_xft_font_get_face':
pangoxft-font.c:838: warning: return makes integer from pointer without 
a cast
pangoxft-font.c:843: warning: return makes integer from pointer without 
a cast
pangoxft-font.c:845: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
pangoxft-font.c:846: warning: control reaches end of non-void function
pangoxft-font.c: In function `pango_xft_font_get_ot_info':
pangoxft-font.c:867: `FT_Face' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:867: parse error before `face'
pangoxft-font.c:869: `face' undeclared (first use in this function)
make[7]: *** [pangoxft-font.lo] Error 1

I've already read something in the archive about freetype but usually 
they consider the package freetype itself and the errors were different 
anyway.Here it seems that the problem could be the headers of XFree or  
am I wrong?
Is there a solution?
Thanks a lot
Lorenzo

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> ARGGGG !!!!
> Without libiconv, balsa don't work...
> what can I do ??
> I can't find libiciconv.so in garnome...

It's fairly likely that balsa is broken (it's not in GARNOME yet for this
reason).

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On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 12:38:51AM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
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> 
> > ARGGGG !!!!
> > Without libiconv, balsa don't work...
> > what can I do ??
> > I can't find libiciconv.so in garnome...
> 
> It's fairly likely that balsa is broken (it's not in GARNOME yet for this
> reason).
> 

Cool :o) What can I use to read mail ?? I like mutt, but, I like graphical tools too...

What do you recommand me (is there anyone with gnome 2 compatibility ?)
Pygmy, spurce, sylpheed...

I use fetchmail to get my mail came in, I just need someting to read my ~/Mail folder.
Evolution is eavy, and I can't configure it just to read the difrent file of my ~/Mail folder. 

Thank

nemo.

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> Cool :o) What can I use to read mail ?? I like mutt, but, I like graphical
> tools too...
> 
> What do you recommand me (is there anyone with gnome 2 compatibility ?)
> Pygmy, spurce, sylpheed...

If you like Balsa, why don't you install the 1.x packages for your
distribution?

- Jeff

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On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 01:03:30AM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
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> 
> > Cool :o) What can I use to read mail ?? I like mutt, but, I like graphical
> > tools too...
> > 
> > What do you recommand me (is there anyone with gnome 2 compatibility ?)
> > Pygmy, spurce, sylpheed...
> 
> If you like Balsa, why don't you install the 1.x packages for your
> distribution?
> 
> - Jeff

because if I tried to compile balsa 1.4.0 here is the result :

/sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:71: undefined reference to `libiconv_close'
../libmutt/libmutt.a(rfc2047.o): In function `try_block':
/sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:245: undefined reference to `libiconv'
/sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:245: undefined reference to `libiconv'
/sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:253: undefined reference to `libiconv_close'
/sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:249: undefined reference to `libiconv_close'
../libmutt/libmutt.a(rfc2047.o): In function `encode_block':
/sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:316: undefined reference to `libiconv'
/sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:317: undefined reference to `libiconv'
/sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:319: undefined reference to `libiconv_close'
../libmutt/libmutt.a(sendlib.o): In function `convert_file_to':
/sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/sendlib.c:725: undefined reference to `libiconv'
/sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/sendlib.c:749: undefined reference to `libiconv'
/sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/sendlib.c:808: undefined reference to `libiconv_close'
/sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/sendlib.c:810: undefined reference to `libiconv_close'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[2]: *** [balsa] Erreur 1
make[2]: Quitte le répertoire `/sources/balsa-1.4.0/src'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Erreur 1
make[1]: Quitte le répertoire `/sources/balsa-1.4.0'
make: *** [all-recursive-am] Erreur 2

It seems that he need libiconv too...
And runing my old balsa binari say that he need libiconv.so.2

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On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 05:10:39PM +0200, Olivier Guéry wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 01:03:30AM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > Cool :o) What can I use to read mail ?? I like mutt, but, I like graphical
> > > tools too...
> > > 
> > > What do you recommand me (is there anyone with gnome 2 compatibility ?)
> > > Pygmy, spurce, sylpheed...
> > 
> > If you like Balsa, why don't you install the 1.x packages for your
> > distribution?
> > 
> > - Jeff
> 
> because if I tried to compile balsa 1.4.0 here is the result :
> 
> /sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:71: undefined reference to `libiconv_close'
> ../libmutt/libmutt.a(rfc2047.o): In function `try_block':
> /sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:245: undefined reference to `libiconv'
> /sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:245: undefined reference to `libiconv'
> /sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:253: undefined reference to `libiconv_close'
> /sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:249: undefined reference to `libiconv_close'
> ../libmutt/libmutt.a(rfc2047.o): In function `encode_block':
> /sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:316: undefined reference to `libiconv'
> /sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:317: undefined reference to `libiconv'
> /sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:319: undefined reference to `libiconv_close'
> ../libmutt/libmutt.a(sendlib.o): In function `convert_file_to':
> /sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/sendlib.c:725: undefined reference to `libiconv'
> /sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/sendlib.c:749: undefined reference to `libiconv'
> /sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/sendlib.c:808: undefined reference to `libiconv_close'
> /sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/sendlib.c:810: undefined reference to `libiconv_close'
> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
> make[2]: *** [balsa] Erreur 1
> make[2]: Quitte le répertoire `/sources/balsa-1.4.0/src'
> make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Erreur 1
> make[1]: Quitte le répertoire `/sources/balsa-1.4.0'
> make: *** [all-recursive-am] Erreur 2
> 
> It seems that he need libiconv too...
> And runing my old balsa binari say that he need libiconv.so.2
> 
> nemo.
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Sorry, I delet my balsa source and rebuilt it and it works... Sorry but It must be on of the mistery of the computers...

Once again, thanks for your help... And I expect balsa gone work with gnome 2...

nemo.

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Daniel,

'LD' is the gnu linker. The reason for your stream of errors is that 
code which calls libpangoft2 was compiled and then attempted to be 
linked, but the linker couldn't find the library this is probably because:

a) When you originally compiled pango, it didn't recognize freetype and 
didn't compile the libpangoft2 library. A quick way to check for this is 
to become root and type "ldconfig -v | less". Look through the resulting 
output for libpangoft2. Not there? Go back to pango and make sure that 
everything in pango is really compiling.

b) libpangoft2 did compile, and you have verified this by step (a). The 
probable culprit now is that somehow, the compiler didn't get passed the 
"-lpangoft2" option when it should have. Since I haven't yet built the 
most recent ggv, I can only conjecture as to the problem:

    - ggv's makefiles / ./configure are broken, and don't properly find 
pango.
    - pkgconfig is somehow not finding 
/lib/pkgconfig/pangoft2.pc,
      and therefore `pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0` isn't supplying the
      -lpangoft2 switch as it's supposed to

Hope this helps,

Idan



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Daniel Paessler wrote:

>when i try to compile ggv in gnome-fifth-toe i get the following error:
>
>
>-rpath -Wl,/home/paessler/garnome/lib
>/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
>`FT_Stream_GetShort'
>/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
>`FT_Stream_ExitFrame'
>/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
>`FT_Stream_GetLong'
>/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
>`FT_Stream_Seek'
>/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
>`FT_Get_Next_Char'
>/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
>`FT_Stream_EnterFrame'
>/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
>`FT_Get_First_Char'
>collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
>
>  
>


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first, thank you for your explanation...i checked this and now
i am _very_ confused, look why:
btw. the directory /opt/gnome2 is a symlink to ~/garnome, so that
shouldn't confuse you

root@iphigenie:/ > ldconfig -v | grep libpangoft2
	
	libpangoft2-1.0.so.0 -> libpangoft2-1.0.so.0.0.4

this one is in my garnome directory...so going on:

root@iphigenie:/ > pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0
 -L/home/paessler/garnome/lib -lgtk-x11-2.0 -lgdk-x11-2.0
-lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lm -lpangoxft-1.0 -lpangox-1.0 -lpango-1.0 -latk-1.0
-lgobject-2.0 -lgmodule-2.0 -ldl -lglib-2.0  

as you can see, no libpangoft2, but why?

root@iphigenie:/ > pkg-config --libs pangoft2
 -L/home/paessler/garnome/lib -lpangoft2-1.0 -lpango-1.0 -lgobject-2.0
-lgmodule-2.0 -ldl -lglib-2.0  

it is there, really! and the .pc file also is where it should be:

root@iphigenie:/ > ls /opt/gnome2/lib/pkgconfig/pan*
/opt/gnome2/lib/pkgconfig/pango.pc    
/opt/gnome2/lib/pkgconfig/pangox.pc
/opt/gnome2/lib/pkgconfig/pangoft2.pc 
/opt/gnome2/lib/pkgconfig/pangoxft.pc

and at last:

root@iphigenie:/ > export |grep PKG_
declare -x PKG_CONFIG_PATH="/opt/gnome2/lib/pkgconfig"



Am Son, 2002-09-01 um 18.43 schrieb Idan Gazit:
> Daniel,
> 
> 'LD' is the gnu linker. The reason for your stream of errors is that 
> code which calls libpangoft2 was compiled and then attempted to be 
> linked, but the linker couldn't find the library this is probably because:
> 
> a) When you originally compiled pango, it didn't recognize freetype and 
> didn't compile the libpangoft2 library. A quick way to check for this is 
> to become root and type "ldconfig -v | less". Look through the resulting 
> output for libpangoft2. Not there? Go back to pango and make sure that 
> everything in pango is really compiling.
> 
> b) libpangoft2 did compile, and you have verified this by step (a). The 
> probable culprit now is that somehow, the compiler didn't get passed the 
> "-lpangoft2" option when it should have. Since I haven't yet built the 
> most recent ggv, I can only conjecture as to the problem:
> 
>     - ggv's makefiles / ./configure are broken, and don't properly find 
> pango.
>     - pkgconfig is somehow not finding 
> /lib/pkgconfig/pangoft2.pc,
>       and therefore `pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0` isn't supplying the
>       -lpangoft2 switch as it's supposed to
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> Idan
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Daniel Paessler wrote:
> 
> >when i try to compile ggv in gnome-fifth-toe i get the following error:
> >
> >
> >-rpath -Wl,/home/paessler/garnome/lib
> >/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
> >`FT_Stream_GetShort'
> >/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
> >`FT_Stream_ExitFrame'
> >/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
> >`FT_Stream_GetLong'
> >/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
> >`FT_Stream_Seek'
> >/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
> >`FT_Get_Next_Char'
> >/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
> >`FT_Stream_EnterFrame'
> >/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
> >`FT_Get_First_Char'
> >collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
> >
> >  
> >
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Have you got it working already?

I have it working here, the Mandrake-way I believe :-)
But it is a while ago I set this up, so I would need to dig into it
again as well.

But I can do the digging if you still need it.

-A.

su, 01-09-2002 kello 11:37, Jason Trickett kirjoitti:
>=20
>=20
> Jeff Waugh wrote:
>=20
> >
> >
> > =20
> >
> >>Thanks for answering! I looked in /etc/init.d/ and there was not a file
> >>named gdm to edit on my system (mandrake 8.1).
> >>   =20
> >>
> >
> >Okay, as a warning, Mandrake does some really odd stuff with its X and *=
DM
> >startup scripts...
> >
> > =20
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> >>Anyhoo, in /etc/X11/prefdm i noticed some code that looks like this:
> >>   =20
> >>
> >
> > =20
> >
> >>if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/desktop ]; then
> >>   =20
> >>
> >
> > =20
> >
> >>Could I edit 'preferred-gdm' to 'preferred=3D/home/jason/garnome/gdm' ?
> >>   =20
> >>
> >
> >No, it sounds like you want to edit environment variables set in
> >/etc/sysconfig/desktop. Or, you could just change /etc/inittab, but I'd
> >recommend attempting to do it 'The Mandrake Way' to begin with.
> >
> >- Jeff
> >
> Wow, this is getting weird! The only contents in my=20
> /etc/sysconfig/desktop file is:
>=20
> DESKTOP=3D"Gnome"
>=20
> Isn't this where my default desktop choice is stored? Also, in=20
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> # xdm is now a separate service
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> Isn't this just pointing back to the 'prefdm' file I mentioned before?=20
> All this jumping around is making my head spin
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> :)
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Daniel,

I looked into the ggv configure script and dug out the actual libraries 
it asks for:

~$ pkg-config --libs "libgnomeui-2.0 >= 1.96.0"

somewhere in the list this produces should be -lpangoft2-1.0. My 
apologies for the earlier mistake, it isn't "gtk+-2.0" that's checked in 
ggv's configure.

So, the root of the issue remains -- somewhere in your configure script 
there should be a "-lpangoft2-1.0 detected.

Try the following:

1) rm -rf your ggv dir
2) unpack a clean tarball
3) cd to it and:

./configure --enable-platform-gnome-2 --with-x --prefix=

Look at the scrolling text. At some point (this is usually accompanied 
by a sudden jump in text, because it is a sudden whole lot of text) 
there should be a listing of includes and libraries:

...
Checking GGV_CFLAGS -I ... -I ... -I ... 
Checking GGV_LIBS -l... -l... -l... 
...

Somewhere in GGV_LIBS there should be a -lpangoft2-1.0, if there isn't, 
then something is screwed up with your pkg-config after all. If there 
is, go on to compile it, and I don't think you should have the same 
problem you had before.

-Idan


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Hi,

Just downloaded, compiled and installed Garnome 0.14.0 after a long 
break from the 0.13.0

Unfortunately, my keyboard still does not repeat characters in the 
terminal or anywhere. I can just type one character at a time if I press 
a key and to repeat the character, I have to press the key again unlike 
usually when you just keep the key pressed to repeat the characters .

The themes metal, redmond do not work !! just as they did not work in 
the 0.13.0 but, did in 0.12.0

My battery applet still does not show up in the top Main menu panel. 
Altough, I can see it as an entry in the GConf-Editor. Now, If I cannot 
enjoy it, If somebody could tell me how to remove this invisible applet 
from the Main Menu panel.

Which is the file/directory in a users home directory which contains 
details/descriptions about all the applets added to all the panels on 
screen?


************ Suggestion ************

Is there any way I can use IceWM window manager with Garnome? I just 
like it a lot for it's numerous cool features and have been using it 
with Gnome 1.4 for a long time now.

Wow, Looks like we finally have the Favourites sub-menu in the main 
Garnome Menu. Now, if only we could have an option in the right-click 
pop-up menu of each item in the Menu as "Add to Favourites" and that 
particular item would be added to the Favourites sub-menu.

**************************************

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begin  Jeff Waugh  quotation:
> What I'm thinking of doing is noting these in the garball Makefiles,
> then building a set of reference pages from those.
> 
> I have to upgrade to upstream GAR anyway, so I'll look at it again
> some time this week.

	It's probably worth doing anyway, as it has fixed some
potential gotchas with the way certain rules were laid out.

	See bugs 76 and 77 in the BBC BTS:

http://bugs.lnx-bbc.org/bugs/db/76/76.html
http://bugs.lnx-bbc.org/bugs/db/77/77.html

-- 
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as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. 
      -- http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm    (search for "Boston")

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Ok, lets see how I did this. Keep in mind I might not have gotten
everuthing the Mandrake-way, but it works for me.

Runlevel 5 starts /etc/X11/prefdm which reads /etc/sysconfig/desktop.
This config file tells prefdm the display-manager you would like to use.
I needed to modify prefdm in order for it to accept a new option (gdm2)
in the 'desktop'-file.

This is the diff for prefdm :

--- prefdm.rpmnew	Fri Mar 15 17:46:41 2002
+++ prefdm	Tue May  7 22:57:51 2002
@@ -41,6 +41,8 @@
 	[ -z "$DISPLAYMANAGER" ] && DISPLAYMANAGER=3D$DESKTOP
 	if [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "GDM" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "gdm" -o
"$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "GNOME" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "gnome" -o
"$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "Gnome" ]; then
 		preferred=3Dgdm
+	elif [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "GDM2" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "gdm2" -o
"$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "GNOME2" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "gnome2" -o
"$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "Gnome2" ]; then
+		preferred=3D/opt/garnome/bin/start-gdm
 	elif [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "KDM" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "kdm" -o
"$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "KDE" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "kde" ]; then
 		preferred=3Dkdm
 	elif [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "XDM" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "xdm" ] ; the=
n


As you can see a variable 'preferred' is used for launching the
display-manager in the end of the script. I need to set the full path to
a start-gdm script, because my gnome2 installation is not in the default
path.

I didn't call gdm directly because I did want to have anti-aliasing and
so on. So I created the following script called 'gdm-start'

#!/bin/sh
export PATH=3D/opt/garnome/bin:/opt/garnome/sbin:$PATH
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=3D/opt/garnome/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
export GDK_USE_XFT=3D1
exec /opt/garnome/bin/gdm -nodeamon

As you can see it start gdm. Now you are almost fully operational. But
off course you want to have gdm list all sessions Mandrake knows about.
For this I modified the gdm configuration (for me in
/opt/garnome/etc/gdm/gdm.conf) to point to the normal session
directories.

Here the config lines I changed :

[daemon]
PostSessionScriptDir=3D/etc/X11/gdm/PostSession/
PreSessionScriptDir=3D/etc/X11/gdm/PreSession/
SessionDir=3D/etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/

(I am not sure if more changes were need like rootpath etc.)
Next step is to make Gnome2 show up as an option in the session-list

For this I first add a file called 'Gnome2' to /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/
with the following content :

#!/bin/sh
exec /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession Gnome2


This is the same way other sessions are started, and luckily no
modification are needed to the Xsession-script as is actually expected
to easily add new Sessions.
This script uses a script called /usr/sbin/chksession to do the session
specific startup. This script looks in /etc/X11/wmsession.d.
In this 'wmsession.d' directory I add a file called '01Gnome2'. You can
give it another number if you like, but have it at number one makes it
the default session.
The '01Gnome2' file looks like this:

NAME=3DGnome2
ICON=3Dgnome-logo-icon-transparent.xpm
DESC=3DGnome2 Environment
EXEC=3D/usr/bin/startgnome2
SCRIPT:
exec /usr/bin/startgnome2


As you see it starts Gnome2 through a 'startgnome2' script. I didn't
create this script anew, instead I just copied the orginal 'startgnome'
script and made some modifications to it.
Here a diff of the modifications :

@@ -45,4 +45,8 @@
   echo $MDKVERSION > $HOME/.gnome/mdkversion
 fi
=20
-exec /usr/bin/gnome-session
+export PATH=3D/opt/garnome/bin:/opt/garnome/sbin:$PATH
+export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=3D/opt/garnome/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH=20
+export GDK_USE_XFT=3D1
+
+exec /opt/garnome/bin/gnome-session


As you can see it starts gnome-session and sets the correct
env-variables so I do have smooth anti-aliasing and so.

After all this you should have a nice anti-aliased gdm2 listing a gnome2
session, which also starts with anti-aliasing enabled.

Have fun,

-A.

ma, 02-09-2002 kello 00:55, Jason Trickett kirjoitti:
> Hi. I still haven't got it working yet. I would be great if you could
> walk me thru it "the Mandrake way".=20
>=20
> - J
>=20
>=20
> On Sun, 2002-09-01 at 15:56, Aschwin van der Woude wrote:
>=20
>     Have you got it working already?
>    =20
>     I have it working here, the Mandrake-way I believe :-)
>     But it is a while ago I set this up, so I would need to dig into it
>     again as well.
>    =20
>     But I can do the digging if you still need it.
>    =20
>     -A.
>    =20
>     su, 01-09-2002 kello 11:37, Jason Trickett kirjoitti:
>     >=20
>     >=20
>     > Jeff Waugh wrote:
>     >=20
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > =20
>     > >
>     > >>Thanks for answering! I looked in /etc/init.d/ and there was not =
a file
>     > >>named gdm to edit on my system (mandrake 8.1).
>     > >>   =20
>     > >>
>     > >
>     > >Okay, as a warning, Mandrake does some really odd stuff with its X=
 and *DM
>     > >startup scripts...
>     > >
>     > > =20
>     > >
>     > >>Anyhoo, in /etc/X11/prefdm i noticed some code that looks like th=
is:
>     > >>   =20
>     > >>
>     > >
>     > > =20
>     > >
>     > >>if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/desktop ]; then
>     > >>   =20
>     > >>
>     > >
>     > > =20
>     > >
>     > >>Could I edit 'preferred-gdm' to 'preferred=3D/home/jason/garnome/=
gdm' ?
>     > >>   =20
>     > >>
>     > >
>     > >No, it sounds like you want to edit environment variables set in
>     > >/etc/sysconfig/desktop. Or, you could just change /etc/inittab, bu=
t I'd
>     > >recommend attempting to do it 'The Mandrake Way' to begin with.
>     > >
>     > >- Jeff
>     > >
>     > Wow, this is getting weird! The only contents in my=20
>     > /etc/sysconfig/desktop file is:
>     >=20
>     > DESKTOP=3D"Gnome"
>     >=20
>     > Isn't this where my default desktop choice is stored? Also, in=20
>     > /etc/inittab the last few lines are:
>     >=20
>     > # Run xdm in runlevel 5
>     > # xdm is now a separate service
>     > x:5:respawn:/etc/X11/prefdm -nodaemon
>     >=20
>     > Isn't this just pointing back to the 'prefdm' file I mentioned befo=
re?=20
>     > All this jumping around is making my head spin
>     >=20
>     > :)
>     >=20
>     > - Jason
>     >=20
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>     > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/garnome-list
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>     Aschwin van der Woude
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Hey Aschwin! Thanks a lot for the effort you put in to your reply! It
indeed looked like a lot of digging ;)
I'm going to be attempting this later today. I have one question,
though, about the /usr/bin/startgnome2 script I will be creating. Should
I be just adding the lines ...

    exec /usr/bin/gnome-session
    export PATH=/opt/garnome/bin:/opt/garnome/sbin:$PATH
    export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/garnome/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH 
    export GDK_USE_XFT=1
    exec /opt/garnome/bin/gnome-session

... to my startgnome file at the end, then saving it as startgnome2
(changing /opt to /home/jason)? I'm not as experienced at this kind of
thing yet, so it wasn't obvious to me.

Hope to hear back!

- Jason


On Mon, 2002-09-02 at 02:42, Aschwin van der Woude wrote:

    Ok, lets see how I did this. Keep in mind I might not have gotten
    everuthing the Mandrake-way, but it works for me.
    
    Runlevel 5 starts /etc/X11/prefdm which reads /etc/sysconfig/desktop.
    This config file tells prefdm the display-manager you would like to use.
    I needed to modify prefdm in order for it to accept a new option (gdm2)
    in the 'desktop'-file.
    
    This is the diff for prefdm :
    
    --- prefdm.rpmnew	Fri Mar 15 17:46:41 2002
    +++ prefdm	Tue May  7 22:57:51 2002
    @@ -41,6 +41,8 @@
     	[ -z "$DISPLAYMANAGER" ] && DISPLAYMANAGER=$DESKTOP
     	if [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "GDM" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "gdm" -o
    "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "GNOME" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "gnome" -o
    "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "Gnome" ]; then
     		preferred=gdm
    +	elif [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "GDM2" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "gdm2" -o
    "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "GNOME2" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "gnome2" -o
    "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "Gnome2" ]; then
    +		preferred=/opt/garnome/bin/start-gdm
     	elif [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "KDM" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "kdm" -o
    "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "KDE" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "kde" ]; then
     		preferred=kdm
     	elif [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "XDM" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "xdm" ] ; then
    
    
    As you can see a variable 'preferred' is used for launching the
    display-manager in the end of the script. I need to set the full path to
    a start-gdm script, because my gnome2 installation is not in the default
    path.
    
    I didn't call gdm directly because I did want to have anti-aliasing and
    so on. So I created the following script called 'gdm-start'
    
    #!/bin/sh
    export PATH=/opt/garnome/bin:/opt/garnome/sbin:$PATH
    export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/garnome/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
    export GDK_USE_XFT=1
    exec /opt/garnome/bin/gdm -nodeamon
    
    As you can see it start gdm. Now you are almost fully operational. But
    off course you want to have gdm list all sessions Mandrake knows about.
    For this I modified the gdm configuration (for me in
    /opt/garnome/etc/gdm/gdm.conf) to point to the normal session
    directories.
    
    Here the config lines I changed :
    
    [daemon]
    PostSessionScriptDir=/etc/X11/gdm/PostSession/
    PreSessionScriptDir=/etc/X11/gdm/PreSession/
    SessionDir=/etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/
    
    (I am not sure if more changes were need like rootpath etc.)
    Next step is to make Gnome2 show up as an option in the session-list
    
    For this I first add a file called 'Gnome2' to /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/
    with the following content :
    
    #!/bin/sh
    exec /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession Gnome2
    
    
    This is the same way other sessions are started, and luckily no
    modification are needed to the Xsession-script as is actually expected
    to easily add new Sessions.
    This script uses a script called /usr/sbin/chksession to do the session
    specific startup. This script looks in /etc/X11/wmsession.d.
    In this 'wmsession.d' directory I add a file called '01Gnome2'. You can
    give it another number if you like, but have it at number one makes it
    the default session.
    The '01Gnome2' file looks like this:
    
    NAME=Gnome2
    ICON=gnome-logo-icon-transparent.xpm
    DESC=Gnome2 Environment
    EXEC=/usr/bin/startgnome2
    SCRIPT:
    exec /usr/bin/startgnome2
    
    
    As you see it starts Gnome2 through a 'startgnome2' script. I didn't
    create this script anew, instead I just copied the orginal 'startgnome'
    script and made some modifications to it.
    Here a diff of the modifications :
    
    @@ -45,4 +45,8 @@
       echo $MDKVERSION > $HOME/.gnome/mdkversion
     fi
     
    -exec /usr/bin/gnome-session
    +export PATH=/opt/garnome/bin:/opt/garnome/sbin:$PATH
    +export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/garnome/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH 
    +export GDK_USE_XFT=1
    +
    +exec /opt/garnome/bin/gnome-session
    
    
    As you can see it starts gnome-session and sets the correct
    env-variables so I do have smooth anti-aliasing and so.
    
    After all this you should have a nice anti-aliased gdm2 listing a gnome2
    session, which also starts with anti-aliasing enabled.
    
    Have fun,
    
    -A.
    

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Hey Aschwin! Thanks a lot for the effort you put in to your reply! It indeed looked like a lot of digging ;)


I'm going to be attempting this later today. I have one question, though, about the /usr/bin/startgnome2 script I will be creating. Should I be just adding the lines ...
    


exec /usr/bin/gnome-session
export PATH=/opt/garnome/bin:/opt/garnome/sbin:$PATH
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/garnome/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH 
export GDK_USE_XFT=1
exec /opt/garnome/bin/gnome-session

    

... to my startgnome file at the end, then saving it as startgnome2 (changing /opt to /home/jason)? I'm not as experienced at this kind of thing yet, so it wasn't obvious to me.





Hope to hear back!





- Jason








On Mon, 2002-09-02 at 02:42, Aschwin van der Woude wrote:
    


Ok, lets see how I did this. Keep in mind I might not have gotten
everuthing the Mandrake-way, but it works for me.

Runlevel 5 starts /etc/X11/prefdm which reads /etc/sysconfig/desktop.
This config file tells prefdm the display-manager you would like to use.
I needed to modify prefdm in order for it to accept a new option (gdm2)
in the 'desktop'-file.

This is the diff for prefdm :

--- prefdm.rpmnew	Fri Mar 15 17:46:41 2002
+++ prefdm	Tue May  7 22:57:51 2002
@@ -41,6 +41,8 @@
 	[ -z "$DISPLAYMANAGER" ] && DISPLAYMANAGER=$DESKTOP
 	if [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "GDM" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "gdm" -o
"$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "GNOME" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "gnome" -o
"$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "Gnome" ]; then
 		preferred=gdm
+	elif [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "GDM2" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "gdm2" -o
"$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "GNOME2" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "gnome2" -o
"$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "Gnome2" ]; then
+		preferred=/opt/garnome/bin/start-gdm
 	elif [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "KDM" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "kdm" -o
"$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "KDE" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "kde" ]; then
 		preferred=kdm
 	elif [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "XDM" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "xdm" ] ; then


As you can see a variable 'preferred' is used for launching the
display-manager in the end of the script. I need to set the full path to
a start-gdm script, because my gnome2 installation is not in the default
path.

I didn't call gdm directly because I did want to have anti-aliasing and
so on. So I created the following script called 'gdm-start'

#!/bin/sh
export PATH=/opt/garnome/bin:/opt/garnome/sbin:$PATH
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/garnome/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
export GDK_USE_XFT=1
exec /opt/garnome/bin/gdm -nodeamon

As you can see it start gdm. Now you are almost fully operational. But
off course you want to have gdm list all sessions Mandrake knows about.
For this I modified the gdm configuration (for me in
/opt/garnome/etc/gdm/gdm.conf) to point to the normal session
directories.

Here the config lines I changed :

[daemon]
PostSessionScriptDir=/etc/X11/gdm/PostSession/
PreSessionScriptDir=/etc/X11/gdm/PreSession/
SessionDir=/etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/

(I am not sure if more changes were need like rootpath etc.)
Next step is to make Gnome2 show up as an option in the session-list

For this I first add a file called 'Gnome2' to /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/
with the following content :

#!/bin/sh
exec /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession Gnome2


This is the same way other sessions are started, and luckily no
modification are needed to the Xsession-script as is actually expected
to easily add new Sessions.
This script uses a script called /usr/sbin/chksession to do the session
specific startup. This script looks in /etc/X11/wmsession.d.
In this 'wmsession.d' directory I add a file called '01Gnome2'. You can
give it another number if you like, but have it at number one makes it
the default session.
The '01Gnome2' file looks like this:

NAME=Gnome2
ICON=gnome-logo-icon-transparent.xpm
DESC=Gnome2 Environment
EXEC=/usr/bin/startgnome2
SCRIPT:
exec /usr/bin/startgnome2


As you see it starts Gnome2 through a 'startgnome2' script. I didn't
create this script anew, instead I just copied the orginal 'startgnome'
script and made some modifications to it.
Here a diff of the modifications :

@@ -45,4 +45,8 @@
   echo $MDKVERSION > $HOME/.gnome/mdkversion
 fi
 
-exec /usr/bin/gnome-session
+export PATH=/opt/garnome/bin:/opt/garnome/sbin:$PATH
+export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/garnome/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH 
+export GDK_USE_XFT=1
+
+exec /opt/garnome/bin/gnome-session


As you can see it starts gnome-session and sets the correct
env-variables so I do have smooth anti-aliasing and so.

After all this you should have a nice anti-aliased gdm2 listing a gnome2
session, which also starts with anti-aliasing enabled.

Have fun,

-A.


    




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> Hey Aschwin! Thanks a lot for the effort you put in to your reply! It
> indeed looked like a lot of digging ;)

No problem. No I am assured again I did the Mandrake way as much as I
can.

> I'm going to be attempting this later today. I have one question,
> though, about the /usr/bin/startgnome2 script I will be creating. Should
> I be just adding the lines ...
>=20
>     exec /usr/bin/gnome-session
>     export PATH=3D/opt/garnome/bin:/opt/garnome/sbin:$PATH
>     export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=3D/opt/garnome/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH=20
>     export GDK_USE_XFT=3D1
>     exec /opt/garnome/bin/gnome-session
>=20
> ... to my startgnome file at the end, then saving it as startgnome2
> (changing /opt to /home/jason)? I'm not as experienced at this kind of
> thing yet, so it wasn't obvious to me.

Place it in the end, instead of the beginning.

You can also feed those diff's to patch, but perhaps a manual edit is
easier.

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Hi,

Just downloaded, compiled and installed Garnome 0.14.0 after a long 
break from the 0.13.0

Unfortunately, my keyboard still does not repeat characters in the 
terminal or anywhere. I can just type one character at a time if I press 
a key and to repeat the character, I have to press the key again unlike 
usually when you just keep the key pressed to repeat the characters .

The themes metal, redmond do not work !! just as they did not work in 
the 0.13.0 but, did in 0.12.0

My battery applet still does not show up in the top Main menu panel. 
Altough, I can see it as an entry in the GConf-Editor. Now, If I cannot 
enjoy it, If somebody could tell me how to remove this invisible applet 
from the Main Menu panel.

Which is the file/directory in a users home directory which contains 
details/descriptions about all the applets added to all the panels on 
screen?


************ Suggestion ************

Is there any way I can use IceWM window manager with Garnome? I just 
like it a lot for it's numerous cool features and have been using it 
with Gnome 1.4 for a long time now.

Wow, Looks like we finally have the Favourites sub-menu in the main 
Garnome Menu. Now, if only we could have an option in the right-click 
pop-up menu of each item in the Menu as "Add to Favourites" and that 
particular item would be added to the Favourites sub-menu.

**************************************

Thanks in advance,
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Hey everybody,

I've been working with gcc 2.95.3 since, well, since I compiled my distro.

I'm curious to hear what people have to say about gcc 3.2 and "the 
switch" -- are there problem compiling different things with gcc 3.2? 
Any inherent problems with the 3.x series? Bottom line, should I switch?

Apparently gcc 2.95.3 + -mcpu=i686 causes problems (at least, it makes 
gcc segfault while compiling libvorbis, and apparently isn't a good 
mix). But my garnome seems to be OK...

Just curious to find out before I garnome again :)

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Garnome seems to work fine when compiled with gcc 3.x, I use 3.1 myself.
Problems will arise when you compile c++-programs which use libraries
compiled with an earlier version of gcc. There were even some c++ ABI
changes from 3.1 to 3.2.
But gnome is written in C so this won't cause any problems.

-A.

ma, 02-09-2002 kello 20:42, Idan Gazit kirjoitti:
> Hey everybody,
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Hi,

I think this has something to do with the problem of not being able to 
have themes working in Garnome 0.14.x

Window manager warning: Failed to read theme from file 
/home/sandeepk/garnome/share/themes/Metal/metacity-1/metacity-theme-1.xml: 
Failed to open file 
'/home/sandeepk/garnome/share/themes/Metal/metacity-1/metacity-theme-1.xml': 
No such file or directory

Thanks in advance,
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On Mon, 2002-09-02 at 22:28, Sandeep Khanna wrote:

> Window manager warning: Failed to read theme from file 
> /home/sandeepk/garnome/share/themes/Metal/metacity-1/metacity-theme-1.xml: 
> Failed to open file 
> '/home/sandeepk/garnome/share/themes/Metal/metacity-1/metacity-theme-1.xml': 
> No such file or directory

There seems to have been a change in metacity theme structure:

cd Metal
mkdir metacity-1
mv * metacity-1

Now the dir structure is right. Then do

metacity-theme-viewer Metal

IIRC it will tell you something about 'window type="border"' not being
set in Metal/metacity-1/metacity-theme-1.xml not being set. Add what it
says you should (IIRC adding 
should do it [there is a bunch of other window type="border" tags in the
file, just add it])
Now, 'metacity-theme-viewer Metal' should work. If so, you can use the
theme







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Hello,

I've been using garnome eversince and not seen this problem until
0.14.1. After building, the gnome2 menus isn't showing up?
(Applications) Is this a known bug?. Im using RH7.3

Thanks for any info

Warren


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> I've been using garnome eversince and not seen this problem until
> 0.14.1. After building, the gnome2 menus isn't showing up?
> (Applications) Is this a known bug?. Im using RH7.3

Please read the GARNOME release notes - yes, it is a known bug.

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Hi,

making "make install" with gcc-3.2 in .../ a lot of errors like:

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gstaasink.c -MT libgstaasink_la-gstaasink.lo -MD -MP -MF
.deps/libgstaasink_la-gstaasink.TPlo  -fPIC -DPIC -o
libgstaasink_la-gstaasink.lo
cc1: changing search order for system directory "/usr/local/include"
cc1:   as it has already been specified as a non-system directory
make[3]: *** [libgstaasink_la-gstaasink.lo] Error 1

If the -Werror option is removed from the corresponding Makefile, make
continues. But it would be better to remove the -I/usr/local/include
option at a central place. 

	With best regards
		Juergen



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Hi,

I forget to enter the correct path in my last mail. Therefore once more

making "make install" with gcc-3.2 in 
.../garnome-0.14.1/meta/gnome-fifth-toe gives a lot of errors like:

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libgstaasink_la-gstaasink.lo
cc1: changing search order for system directory "/usr/local/include"
cc1:   as it has already been specified as a non-system directory
make[3]: *** [libgstaasink_la-gstaasink.lo] Error 1

If the -Werror option is removed from the corresponding Makefile, make
continues. But it would be better to remove the -I/usr/local/include
option at a central place. 

        With best regards
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Reverting back to the previous version of gnome-vfs (2.0.2) will solve
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Hi,

I had a very similar problem. The configure script detected the freetype
that was already installed on my system (2.0.5), instead of the one that
Garnome downloads and builds for you. The way I solved it was to modify the
Garnome Makefile under the freetype folder to make it download freetype
2.0.5. You could also manually install a more recent freetype version on
your system.

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when i try to compile ggv in gnome-fifth-toe i get the following error:


-rpath -Wl,/home/paessler/garnome/lib
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Stream_GetShort'
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Stream_ExitFrame'
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Stream_GetLong'
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Stream_Seek'
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Get_Next_Char'
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Stream_EnterFrame'
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Get_First_Char'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[5]: *** [ggv] Error 1
make[5]: Leaving directory
`/usr/src/pakete/garnome-0.14.1/gnome/ggv/work/ggv-1.99.90/src'
make[4]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[4]: Leaving directory
`/usr/src/pakete/garnome-0.14.1/gnome/ggv/work/ggv-1.99.90/src'
make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory
`/usr/src/pakete/garnome-0.14.1/gnome/ggv/work/ggv-1.99.90'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/usr/src/pakete/garnome-0.14.1/gnome/ggv/work/ggv-1.99.90'
make[1]: *** [build-work/ggv-1.99.90/Makefile] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/pakete/garnome-0.14.1/gnome/ggv'
make: *** [dep-../../gnome/ggv] Error 2

pango is installed properly, so what is wrong?
any suggestions?

thanks

daniel


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Having installed from Garnome 0.14.1:

1. My Gnome2 apps are not seeing all my fonts. Gnome1 apps still see them all.
Also, for some reason, Opera seems to have been affected by this, even though it
uses Qt and not Gtk. That would suggest that it's an X problem not a Gnome one,
but Gnome1 apps see all the fonts, so it can't be an X problem.

2. Is there a global Gnome2 environment variable that I can set so I don't have
to specify the same thing when I run all apps? I will always want to run every
Gnome2 app with --oaf-private and --disable-factory since I don't use the Gnome
desktop enviroment, just the apps from Windowmaker.

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The settings-not-sticking problem has gone since I reinstalled from Garnome
0.14.1 :)

If I run apps with --oaf-private and --disable-factory, they start straight
away. No more waiting for that bonobo business to start.

Jeff Waugh had the audacity to claim:

>
>
>> I have asked the Gnome mailing list, Pan mailing list, and X newsgroup,
>> and the only feedback I had was that it might be a certain missing line in
>> a file installed by Gconf, but I checked and it was there. I even
>> reinstalled Gconf, and then uninstalled and installed a previous version
>> of it, but with no luck :(
>>
>> So to sum, the two problems I have are that the first Gnome thing that a
>> user starts takes 'ages' to appear, and that none of the settings in Gnome
>> apps stick.
>
>How did you install GARNOME? Did you set the paths and environment variables
>correctly, as described on the webpage?

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How can I disable this? Stop it bringing up Gnome help and instead pass F1 to
whatever I'm running in the term like any other function key? :/

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> 1. My Gnome2 apps are not seeing all my fonts. Gnome1 apps still see them all.
> Also, for some reason, Opera seems to have been affected by this, even though it
> uses Qt and not Gtk. That would suggest that it's an X problem not a Gnome one,
> but Gnome1 apps see all the fonts, so it can't be an X problem.

Sounds like an XFT issue -> make sure /etc/X11/XftConfig is correct.

> 2. Is there a global Gnome2 environment variable that I can set so I don't have
> to specify the same thing when I run all apps? I will always want to run every
> Gnome2 app with --oaf-private and --disable-factory since I don't use the Gnome
> desktop enviroment, just the apps from Windowmaker.

Hrm, OAF is no longer part of GNOME 2, and --disable-factory is just a GNOME
Terminal thing (which makes loading new terminals faster, so you don't want
to turn it off)...

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I have tried using the GDM login and luckily all the gnome2 menus
re-appeared.. =)

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If i use the current release of garnome to install gnome 2, is it hard to 
update the packages that are installed after, when there are new releases 
and how would i be goin about this?

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Hi. I imagine that this has been discussed before, so forgive this repeat
question. I just installed garnome-0.14.1 and my gnome2 menus are
missing. Please help!

Thanks.




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> Hi. I imagine that this has been discussed before, so forgive this repeat
> question. I just installed garnome-0.14.1 and my gnome2 menus are
> missing. Please help!

In the release notes, it mentions that there are issues with menus due to
Nautilus and gnome-vfs bugs. You were warned. :-)

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Greeting folks;

I just tried to build kde-3.0.3 with tis version of garnome, as it 
worked quite well to go from kde-3.0.0 to 3.0.2.

At the time of the 3.0.0 to 3.0.2 build I was running gcc-2.96-112.
Now I have built and installed gcc-3.2.

Now after several hours of downloads, it tries to get started on 
building arts, and bombs out during the configure while looking for 
the STL stuff, which is in the install dir I gave gcc-3.2 when I 
built it.  Its also a far cry pathwise from being in /usr/include.  
More like /usr/local/gcc3.2/i686-linux-pc/include/bits or some 
such.

How do I go about training the new gcc-3.2 to go find its own proper 
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> How do I go about training the new gcc-3.2 to go find its own proper 
> includes?

Possibly a question better posed to GCC people. :-)

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Hello,

I am using GARNOME 0.14.0 with Solaris 8 on an ultrasparc 10.  I am 
using gcc-3.2 with the Solaris linker and assembler (/usr/ccs/bin/ld, 
/usr/ccs/bin/as).

The --disable-shared option that is enabled by default in the GARNOME 
build of GNOME 2.0.1 seems to cause some undefined symbols errors at 
link time, for instance, in the gtk+-2.0.6 package, gtk_minor_version, 
gtk_major_version, and gtk_micro_version.

Has anyone out there used GARNOME much on Solaris 8 w/gcc-3.x and if so, 
could you point me towards whatever configuration options I may need to 
alter or add in order to make my build work?

Thanks in advance for any assistance anyone can render.



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> I am using GARNOME 0.14.0 with Solaris 8 on an ultrasparc 10.  I am 
> using gcc-3.2 with the Solaris linker and assembler (/usr/ccs/bin/ld, 
> /usr/ccs/bin/as).

Rock! Been looking for more Solaris testers, thanks!

> The --disable-shared option that is enabled by default in the GARNOME 
> build of GNOME 2.0.1 seems to cause some undefined symbols errors at 
> link time, for instance, in the gtk+-2.0.6 package, gtk_minor_version, 
> gtk_major_version, and gtk_micro_version.

--disable-static, rather? :-)

I've just checked with Glynn, and he reckons that Sun are doing their builds
with it on, so that shouldn't be it, but they are building with forte.
Perhaps it's having issues with gcc-3.2 and the Solaris linker/assemblers?

> Has anyone out there used GARNOME much on Solaris 8 w/gcc-3.x and if so, 
> could you point me towards whatever configuration options I may need to 
> alter or add in order to make my build work?
> 
> Thanks in advance for any assistance anyone can render.

Definitely chat to some of the Sun guys, particularly Laszlo
; I'll try and help as much as I can.

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On Wednesday 04 September 2002 12:16, Jeff Waugh wrote:
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>
>> How do I go about training the new gcc-3.2 to go find its own
>> proper includes?
>
>Possibly a question better posed to GCC people. :-)

Possibly.  OTOH, its been working to build everything I've thrown at 
it for the last 2 weeks since I built it rather flawlessly.

garnome, trying to build kde-3.0.3 is the second failure message I 
wasn't able to fix, the first one being that I have 4 copies of 
libqt-mt.so.0.0.4 (and links) on this system, but some ./configure 
scripts can't find them even with a full path declared in the 
--with-qt-lib= option.  mosfet-liquid-0.9.5 is one of those.

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On Wednesday 04 September 2002 12:41, Gene Heskett wrote:
>On Wednesday 04 September 2002 12:16, Jeff Waugh wrote:
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>>
>>> How do I go about training the new gcc-3.2 to go find its own
>>> proper includes?
>>
>>Possibly a question better posed to GCC people. :-)
>
>Possibly.  OTOH, its been working to build everything I've thrown
> at it for the last 2 weeks since I built it rather flawlessly.
>
>garnome, trying to build kde-3.0.3 is the second failure message I
>wasn't able to fix, the first one being that I have 4 copies of
>libqt-mt.so.0.0.4 (and links) on this system, but some ./configure

Ancient damned fingers, they don't type what I think.  That should 
be 'libqt-mt.so.3.0.4' and links.  Big difference.

>scripts can't find them even with a full path declared in the
>--with-qt-lib= option.  mosfet-liquid-0.9.5 is one of those.

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Hello,

I have installed 0.14.1 in my debian box.
I have seen in the changelog that there is some
red hat artwork installed with that...

Whereis that? iIs it in the form of a theme?
Where can I found it?

Garnome rules !

Thanks guys
Panagiotis


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> I have installed 0.14.1 in my debian box.
> I have seen in the changelog that there is some
> red hat artwork installed with that...

In misc/redhat-artwork/ - build it like everything else.

Beware that the current one depends on kdebase (as it includes kwin and qt
themes). In CVS GARNOME (and the next released version), I've included a
patch that will turn off all the KDE stuff.

> Whereis that? iIs it in the form of a theme?

There are themes for:

  qt
  kwin
  kde colours
  gtk+ 1.x
  gtk+ 2.x
  metacity
  nautilus
  gdm (i think)

Lots of good stuff, looks great. Comes straight out of the (null) source
rpm, too.

> Garnome rules !

Thanks. :-)

- Jeff

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Hi,

I have redhat 7.3 and I am using garnome 0.14.1.  I've tried to build
redhat-artwork like everything else but it failed with:

bluecurve.cpp:1755: `abs' undeclared (first use this function)
bluecurve.cpp:1755: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once 
for each function it appears in.)
bluecurve.cpp:1737: warning: `int left' might be used uninitialized in
this function
bluecurve.cpp:1737: warning: `int right' might be used uninitialized in
this function
bluecurve.cpp:1737: warning: `int top' might be used uninitialized in
this function
bluecurve.cpp:1737: warning: `int bottom' might be used uninitialized in
this function
make[5]: *** [bluecurve.lo] Error 1
make[5]: Leaving directory
`/usr/local/src/garnome-0.14.1/misc/redhat-artwork/work/redhat-artwork-0.36/art/qt/Bluecurve'
make[4]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[4]: Leaving directory
`/usr/local/src/garnome-0.14.1/misc/redhat-artwork/work/redhat-artwork-0.36/art/qt'
make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory
`/usr/local/src/garnome-0.14.1/misc/redhat-artwork/work/redhat-artwork-0.36/art'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/usr/local/src/garnome-0.14.1/misc/redhat-artwork/work/redhat-artwork-0.36'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/usr/local/src/garnome-0.14.1/misc/redhat-artwork/work/redhat-artwork-0.36'
make: *** [build-work/redhat-artwork-0.36/Makefile] Error 2
[root@localhost redhat-artwork]# 


I installed redhat-logos-1.1.4-1 since redhat-artwork-0.36-1 lists it as
a depends.  I also have kde 3.0 installed.

Any idea as to what is wrong?

Thanks

Joe




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> I have redhat 7.3 and I am using garnome 0.14.1.  I've tried to build
> redhat-artwork like everything else but it failed with:

(random qt breakage snipped)

The next version of GARNOME will have the qt/kde stuff patched out for
redhat-artwork. No idea what's going on in your build.

> I installed redhat-logos-1.1.4-1 since redhat-artwork-0.36-1 lists it as
> a depends.  I also have kde 3.0 installed.

Dude, GARNOME is building redhat-artwork from source. It doesn't care about
fake rpm dependencies. :-)

- Jeff

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An update: it would seem that this error occurs due to the way these
variables (gtk_*_version) are declared in the GTK+ package.  They're
declared as constants, which are by default private to their translation
unit as far as GCC is concerned.

I'll take it up with the GTK list :-)

Thanks!

Larry

Larry McQueary wrote:

 > Hello,
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 > I am using GARNOME 0.14.0 with Solaris 8 on an ultrasparc 10.  I am
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 > link time, for instance, in the gtk+-2.0.6 package, gtk_minor_version,
 > gtk_major_version, and gtk_micro_version.
 >
 > Has anyone out there used GARNOME much on Solaris 8 w/gcc-3.x and if
 > so, could you point me towards whatever configuration options I may
 > need to alter or add in order to make my build work?
 >
 > Thanks in advance for any assistance anyone can render.
 >
 >



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I'd love to compile garnome on my linux 2.4.18 system - I'm using the
encap package manager to install packages, so a custom compilation
would definitely help me finally get GNOME, since correcting trivial
autoconf problems on the 60 packages myself is going to take a long
time.  But it fails to build.

Basically,

  make -C garnome-0.14.1/meta/gnome-desktop/ prefix=/usr build

failed quickly, generating an error in pkgconfig:

  cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I. -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=g_log_domain_glib
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   -I/usr/include -I/usr/include -I/usr/include -I/usr/include -O2 -pipe
   -g -I/usr/include -O2 -pipe -g -I/usr/include -O2 -pipe -g
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   -Wall -c gmain.c  -fPIC -DPIC
  cc1: warning: changing search order for system directory "/usr/include"
  cc1: warning:   as it has already been specified as a non-system directory
  gmain.c:191: `poll' undeclared here (not in a function)

Many more related warnings appear in the output here:

  http://www.deconfusion.org/tmp/garnome.txt

Because the libraries on my system are linked into /usr/lib, I
detected a problem in gnome/pkgconfig/work/pkgconfig-0.12.0/, on line
1746: /usr/bin/file needs to be changed to

  '/usr/bin/file -L'

for libtool to work properly.  After I made this change then did 'make
clean' in the work directory, the build still failed the same way, but
with no more warnings during configure:

  http://www.deconfusion.org/tmp/garnome2.txt

Any ideas on how to (a) fix my problem with includes and (b) properly
patch configure within the garnome system?  If there's any system info
I can provide that isn't covered in the output files, let me know.

Thanks, I'm new to this!
-Paul

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I've written a free program called distcc, which distributes the work
of compilation across several machines on a network.  It works well
with GARNOME, and (leaving aside downloads) can compile more than
twice as fast as plain gcc.

You can get it from 

   http://distcc.samba.org/

and I would be happy to hear how it works for you.

(please cc me on replies)

Cheers,

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> I've written a free program called distcc, which distributes the work of
> compilation across several machines on a network.  It works well with
> GARNOME, and (leaving aside downloads) can compile more than twice as fast
> as plain gcc.

Rock! So the bugs you found with libtool and such are all fixed?

I will have to get this on all my flatmates' computers. :-)

- Jeff

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On Wed, 2002-09-04 at 02:48, Vigil wrote:
> How can I disable this? Stop it bringing up Gnome help and instead pass F1 to
> whatever I'm running in the term like any other function key? :/

Change the keybinding. Edit -> Keybindings



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Aha! Thanks.

I would have thought that would be on the right-clicked context menu (I have the
menubar disabled).

Jens Bech Madsen had the audacity to claim:

>On Wed, 2002-09-04 at 02:48, Vigil wrote:
>> How can I disable this? Stop it bringing up Gnome help and instead pass F1 to
>> whatever I'm running in the term like any other function key? :/
>
>Change the keybinding. Edit -> Keybindings

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Hi,

Me again.  Still building on Solaris 8 w/gcc-3.2, and now I am using 
garnome-0.14.1.

Incidentally, I am compiling a list of the various things I have to 
twiddle to get the build to work, which I will happily post later for 
the archives, but here's a problem that's got me stumped:

in libgtop-2.0.0/src/daemon, my build fails after creating 
libgtop_daemon2 with the following error:

No rule to make target `libgtop_server', needed by `all-am'

Indeed, there don't appear to be any rules in Makefile for building this 
target, though it *is* at least mentioned in the Makefile.  There are 
also some rules for building libgtop_server2.  Anyone know the 
significance of this?

Somehow I can't imagine this would be a platform-specific issue, so 
surely someone else out there has run into it?  Awaiting your wisdom 
before I start hacking and slashing in the Makefile.

Thanks,
Larry


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Gene,

I'm considering a 3.2 build and would be interested in your list of
"snags" compiling garnome.

Are your troubles exclusively KDE? I won't be building KDE, but if
the gnome build process becomes laborious I may just pass on using
3.2.

By and large, do you recommend using gcc-3.2 as your compiler? I am
busy compiling a clean linux box and I need to decide which compiler
I will use as my basis. At the behest of some other kind soul on the
list, I am considering either 2.95.3 or 3.2 but not together, because
of the ABI changes to C++ compiles; it sounds like a real mess later
on when I forget which libraries were compiled with what. I guess
either programs will stop compiling or I'll start getting strange
segfaults all over the place, and neither sounds really appealing.

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Idan

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On Friday 06 September 2002 04:34, Idan Gazit wrote:
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>Gene,
>
>I'm considering a 3.2 build and would be interested in your list
> of "snags" compiling garnome.
>
>Are your troubles exclusively KDE? I won't be building KDE, but if
>the gnome build process becomes laborious I may just pass on using
>3.2.
>
>By and large, do you recommend using gcc-3.2 as your compiler? I
> am busy compiling a clean linux box and I need to decide which
> compiler I will use as my basis. At the behest of some other kind
> soul on the list, I am considering either 2.95.3 or 3.2 but not
> together, because of the ABI changes to C++ compiles; it sounds
> like a real mess later on when I forget which libraries were
> compiled with what. I guess either programs will stop compiling
> or I'll start getting strange segfaults all over the place, and
> neither sounds really appealing.
>
>Thanks in advance!
>
>Idan

My guess is that if it was all installed in the right places, which 
I don't think I have yet, it would work just fine.  Its built 
everything I threw at it so except kde-3.0.3 via garnome, and 
mosfet-liquid, both heavily c++ stuff that needs the 3.2 versions 
of the STL headers that aren't located in /usr/include here now.  
But based on what I've seen so far, I think I'll do a make clean in 
the build directory, and modify the makefile to go ahead and have 
it install itself in /usr.  That would make many of my problems go 
away I'm sure.

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On Friday 06 September 2002 10:45, Gene Heskett wrote:
>On Friday 06 September 2002 04:34, Idan Gazit wrote:
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>>Gene,
>>
>>I'm considering a 3.2 build and would be interested in your list
>> of "snags" compiling garnome.
>>
>>Are your troubles exclusively KDE? I won't be building KDE, but
>> if the gnome build process becomes laborious I may just pass on
>> using 3.2.
>>
>>By and large, do you recommend using gcc-3.2 as your compiler? I
>> am busy compiling a clean linux box and I need to decide which
>> compiler I will use as my basis. At the behest of some other
>> kind soul on the list, I am considering either 2.95.3 or 3.2 but
>> not together, because of the ABI changes to C++ compiles; it
>> sounds like a real mess later on when I forget which libraries
>> were compiled with what. I guess either programs will stop
>> compiling or I'll start getting strange segfaults all over the
>> place, and neither sounds really appealing.
>>
>>Thanks in advance!
>>
>>Idan
>
>My guess is that if it was all installed in the right places,
> which I don't think I have yet, it would work just fine.  Its
> built everything I threw at it so except kde-3.0.3 via garnome,
> and mosfet-liquid, both heavily c++ stuff that needs the 3.2
> versions of the STL headers that aren't located in /usr/include
> here now. But based on what I've seen so far, I think I'll do a
> make clean in the build directory, and modify the makefile to go
> ahead and have it install itself in /usr.  That would make many
> of my problems go away I'm sure.

Update, they didn't.  Got worse in fact.  I cleaned out the build 
dir for gcc3.2, reran the configure using all the defaults, make'd 
a bootstrap, check and install.  No difference, so I went after 
qt-3.0.5, but gave it a bunch of options since it defaults to a lot 
of them off.  Built it, no errors important enough to abort the 
build.

Now I can't even startx, and in garnome-0.14.1/meta/kde I get this 
for a make:
----------------
make[4]: Entering directory `/usr/src/garnome-0.14.1/kde/arts'
        [fetch] complete.  Finished rules: pre-everything download 
pre-fetch download/arts-1.0.3.tar.bz2 post-fetch
        [checksum] complete.  Finished rules: fetch cookies 
pre-checksum cookies/checksum-arts-1.0.3.tar.bz2 post-checksum
        [extract] complete.  Finished rules: checksum work cookies 
pre-extract cookies/extract-arts-1.0.3.tar.bz2 post-extract
        [patch] complete.  Finished rules: extract work/arts-1.0.3 
pre-patch post-patch
 ==> Building kde/qt-copy as a dependency
 ==> Building gnome/glib as a dependency
 ==> Running configure in work/arts-1.0.3
checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
checking target system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
checking for a BSD compatible install... /usr/bin/ginstall -c
checking for -p flag to install... yes
checking whether build environment is sane... yes
checking for mawk... mawk
checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... yes
checking for a BSD compatible install... /usr/bin/ginstall -c -p
checking for style of include used by make... GNU
checking for gcc... cc
checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C 
compiler cannot create executables
make[4]: *** [configure-work/arts-1.0.3/configure] Error 77
make[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/garnome-0.14.1/kde/arts'
make[3]: *** [dep-../../kde/arts] Error 2
make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/garnome-0.14.1/kde/kdelibs'
make[2]: *** [dep-../../kde/kdelibs] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/garnome-0.14.1/kde/kdebase'
make[1]: *** [dep-../../kde/kdebase] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/garnome-0.14.1/kde/kdeadmin'
make: *** [dep-../../kde/kdeadmin] Error 2
---------------------------

Reverting back to qt-3.0.4 as /usr/loca/lqt and startx works, 
running it now.

Ideas?

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> Reverting back to qt-3.0.4 as /usr/loca/lqt and startx works,
> running it now.
>
> Ideas?

Use binary packages of GCC for your distribution, whatever the version.

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I realize this is more of a GAR question than a GARNOME question, but in 
the interest of saving time, how can one temporarily turn off package 
dependency checking?  It's frustrating every time I fix something to 
have to go back and wait another half hour while dependencies get 
checked (and rechecked and rechecked) when doing a top-level make in 
meta/gnome-desktop.

Thanks!

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Hi list,

is there a chance of putting galeon into garnome?

Michael




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Just do 'make install' in the individual package dir.

Off course it will still do dependency-checking but only for that
particular package.

-A.

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> I realize this is more of a GAR question than a GARNOME question, but in=20
> the interest of saving time, how can one temporarily turn off package=20
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> have to go back and wait another half hour while dependencies get=20
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> meta/gnome-desktop.
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> Thanks!
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That much is simple, I agree -- but my issue is that I'd like to go back 
to the top-level build and effectively pick up where I left off once I 
have done the "make install" that you suggest.  Right know it takes as 
long as half an hour for me to move on to the next package when I am 
ready to resume the build (due to the package checking, re-checking, and 
re-re-checking :-) )

Thanks,
Larry

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>
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>
>-A.
>
>la, 07-09-2002 kello 08:15, Larry McQueary kirjoitti:
>  
>
>>I realize this is more of a GAR question than a GARNOME question, but in 
>>the interest of saving time, how can one temporarily turn off package 
>>dependency checking?  It's frustrating every time I fix something to 
>>have to go back and wait another half hour while dependencies get 
>>checked (and rechecked and rechecked) when doing a top-level make in 
>>meta/gnome-desktop.
>>
>>Thanks!
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>>Larry
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> is there a chance of putting galeon into garnome?

Not until there's an official tarball release, and getting mozilla/gtk+2 is
a sane process.

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> That much is simple, I agree -- but my issue is that I'd like to go back
> to the top-level build and effectively pick up where I left off once I
> have done the "make install" that you suggest.  Right know it takes as
> long as half an hour for me to move on to the next package when I am ready
> to resume the build (due to the package checking, re-checking, and
> re-re-checking :-) )

I'd like to work out what this is, as I've only had it reported on non-Linux
systems. It's a matter of optimising the cookie-finding [ I would prefer to
actually fix this problem, not remove the symptoms :-) ].

In the meantime, you'd have to remove the depends from the Makefiles, which
is a pretty onerous task without involving sed, and it will make your builds
barf.

So, let's work out why it's slow...

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Hey,

So I'm no great shakes at C, and I am definitely not too knowledgable 
about the build process, but what about the following:


* 1 Central list of dependencies at the root of the garnome dir (this 
will also be easier to maintain as time goes on)
* 1 small C app that (when given a target) produces a list of dependencies
* perhaps a centralized sort of cookie listing progress, completed 
builds (this can also serve as a centralized kind of log)


I don't know much about makefiles (just a beginning developer), but 
perhaps it can be rigged to somehow call the small C app to determine 
dependencies and then consult with the cookie file to see if they're 
satisfied (perhaps the C app can do this for you also)

Bonuses with this approach:


* Easier to maintain deps.
* You pay the dep resolution "price" at the door, when you compile the 
little C app once. Afterwards it resolves deps in about a nanosecond.

* With very little effort, users can also use the app to query the 
dependency tree when they feel like upgrading a single part of the tree.

For instance: several new tarballs have appeared on ftp.gnome.org. I 
have a burning desire to upgrade to gedit-x.x.x because it can tell me 
who shot JFK. The next version of garnome is not yet released, and I 
don't feel like editing the makefiles and replacing checksums in the 
garnome/gnome/gedit dir to fool it into doing the work for me; I know 
that it's just a ./configure; make; make install kind of affair anyways. 
The only way for me now to know if the libraries that gedit-x.x.x 
require are in place is for me to manually do a recursive check of 
everything that gedit has in its LIBDEPS. With the C app & central 
repository I can just go "depfinder gedit" and get a nice clean list.

Fiction? Nay. Well, I wrote this app, but I must have done something 
wrong because it segfaults on a malloc (no, I haven't double-freed 
something) when it's dealing with _really really_ long lists of 
dependencies. For normal ones it works just fine and produces output like:

id:~/src$ ./depfinder gedit
Dependency build order for gedit:
0: libart_lgpl
1: pkgconfig
2: gtk-doc
3: glib
4: atk
5: freetype
6: pango
7: gtk+
8: libxml2
9: libglade
10: libgnomecanvas
11: linc
12: libIDL
13: ORBit2
14: bonobo-activation
15: libbonobo
16: GConf
17: gnome-mime-data
18: gnome-vfs
19: audiofile
20: esound
21: libxslt
22: libgnome
23: libbonoboui
24: libgnomeui
25: libgnomeprint
26: libgnomeprintui
**: gedit


So, when everybody is done laughing at the guy who doesns't know C, let 
me know what you think. If it's worth it I'll spend the time debugging 
it carefully to eradicate this bug. Building the dependency file is also 
really really easy and can be automated with a 7 line shell script (I 
did it by hand) -- grep -r "LIBDEPS" > depfile, followed by a bit of 
sed'ing to pare it down the the form:

target: dep1 dep2 dep3

The app is also smart enough to not add previously built dependencies to 
the list, e.g. pkg1 and pkg2 both require pkg0, and say so in their 
LIBDEPS. Pkg0 will only show up once in the list, despite being looked 
for twice.

I hope y'all aren't laughing too much....


Idan


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> So I'm no great shakes at C, and I am definitely not too knowledgable 
> about the build process, but what about the following:

Number comments for reference strewn within. :-) I'm sure Nick will have a
few too...

> * 1 Central list of dependencies at the root of the garnome dir (this 
> will also be easier to maintain as time goes on)

1) Perhaps, but it pulls the information out of the garballs (close
approximations of packages), which is where it is most useful. If you have a
central list of dependencies, there's almost no point to the GNU make
architecture, so you'd want to move to something closer to jhbuild (which I
strongly recommend if you want to build GNOME CVS).

> * 1 small C app that (when given a target) produces a list of dependencies

2) Keeping GAR as a GNU make only system is pretty important. Note that make
is a highly evolved dependency resolver, so writing domain-specific stuff in
C just de-generalises the system and makes it less hackable. There are lots
of good reasons to futz with GAR dependencies.

> * perhaps a centralized sort of cookie listing progress, completed 
> builds (this can also serve as a centralized kind of log)

3) This is what needs to happen for GAR to move closer to 'packaging system'
from 'build tool'. However, GAR is really designed first and foremost as a
build tool, so it's not hugely important to us at the moment.

> I don't know much about makefiles (just a beginning developer), but 
> perhaps it can be rigged to somehow call the small C app to determine 
> dependencies and then consult with the cookie file to see if they're 
> satisfied (perhaps the C app can do this for you also)
> 
> Bonuses with this approach:
> 
> 
> * Easier to maintain deps.

See point 1. Affects ports/packaging look'n'feel.

> * You pay the dep resolution "price" at the door, when you compile the 
> little C app once. Afterwards it resolves deps in about a nanosecond.

See point 2. Removes flexibility/generalisation from make architecture.

> * With very little effort, users can also use the app to query the 
> dependency tree when they feel like upgrading a single part of the tree.

In upstream GAR, you can do this. I haven't folded upstream back into
GARNOME for a long time, since some fairly major structural changes. I will
at some stage, 'cos it's rockin' now (if a bit bigger and more complex).

> For instance: several new tarballs have appeared on ftp.gnome.org. I 
> have a burning desire to upgrade to gedit-x.x.x because it can tell me 
> who shot JFK. The next version of garnome is not yet released, and I 
> don't feel like editing the makefiles and replacing checksums in the 
> garnome/gnome/gedit dir to fool it into doing the work for me; I know 
> that it's just a ./configure; make; make install kind of affair anyways. 

Well, GARNOME is designed to be a distribution, rather than a fast-n-hard
updating service for the impatient and needy. :-) Thus, I'm not really
interested in improving this side of things.

(I am, however, improved in its ability to upgrade, which point 3 addresses
to a certain extent.)

> The only way for me now to know if the libraries that gedit-x.x.x 
> require are in place is for me to manually do a recursive check of 
> everything that gedit has in its LIBDEPS. With the C app & central 
> repository I can just go "depfinder gedit" and get a nice clean list.

Dude, whilst it's all ABI ccompatible, why would you care? :-)

> Fiction? Nay. Well, I wrote this app, but I must have done something 
> wrong because it segfaults on a malloc (no, I haven't double-freed 
> something) when it's dealing with _really really_ long lists of 
> dependencies. For normal ones it works just fine and produces output like:

(See upstream GAR. You can do all of this in make, in fact, make is *the*
way to do it.)

> I hope y'all aren't laughing too much....

Not too much, because you went to the effort to write it in C of all things.
Nick wasn't laughing too hard when someone posted a python solution to the
GAR lists either. But he added it with very little trouble to GAR straight
away, because it's all 100% GNU make.

:-)

Thanks,

- Jeff

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begin  Jeff Waugh  quotation:
> I'd like to work out what this is, as I've only had it reported on
> non-Linux systems. It's a matter of optimising the cookie-finding [
> I would prefer to actually fix this problem, not remove the symptoms
> :-) ].

	I'd love to work on optimizations for GAR cookie-finding.
Right now what a dependency build does in the latest GAR is this
(essentially):

dep-$(GARDIR)/%:
	$(MAKE) -C $(GARDIR)/$* install-p > || \
	$(MAKE) -C $(GARDIR)/$* install

Thus, we're forking a copy of make each time.  This is largely because
the LNX-BBC project has build deps, which are built only for the
purpose of building other stuff, and get thrown in a scratch dir that
will eventually be wiped (consider flex or bison as an example --
they're used to compile things, but we don't actually include them on
the bootable business card).

Thus we actually have to rely on the package's predicate calls to tell
us for real if something is installed or not.  

For a while I was doing it with a simple test line in the dep-foo
rules.  This was very fast as it had only to fork a copy of the shell,
not a new make instance that sourced in the new package makefile.  I
forget how old the GARNOME gar is, but if it uses anything like the
modern dep-checking, then it's probably forkings of make slowing you
down.  Just a guess, really.

> So, let's work out why it's slow...

The LNX-BBC tree has some hojillion dependencies and packages.  I'm
running these tests on an already-built tree, so the ONLY work it has
to do is dep-checking.  This is a Debian Testing system with a
skanky-ass old kernel and only one of its dual Pentium IIs being used:

----8<----
[gar(/usr/local/var/build-last/gar/meta/lnx-bbc)] time make showdeps | wc -l
    259

real    0m37.293s
user    0m12.130s
sys     0m25.140s
----8<----

	So some of those deps are repeated etc, but if GARNOME is
recent enough to have "showdeps" you should be able to compare for
number of dep-checking tests it'd have to do.  Note that the showdeps
itself took 37 seconds.  Long, but not half an hour.

----8<----
[gar(/usr/local/var/build-last/gar/meta/lnx-bbc)] time make install > /tmp/ttt

real    0m2.805s
user    0m0.520s
sys     0m2.150s
----8<----

This is largely because it doesn't do the deep dep checking like the
waaaay old GAR used to (because the super-old GAR used to do
deep-checking, while the code above only checks the dep one below
(unless I were to update install-p with deep checking, which I may
someday do!)).  

A make install in the singularity dir (which has 159 dependencies and
build deps) runs like this when all install deps are satisfied:

----8<----
[gar(~/bbc/gar/meta/singularity)] time make configure > /tmp/ttt

real    0m41.949s
user    0m10.450s
sys     0m31.560s
----8<----

So it looks like we're getting 3-4 deps checked per second.  Not the
best timing, but certainly not enough to make the thing take half an
hour!

Try doing a "time make configure" for a package that has all of its
deps satisfied.

-- 
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> will also be easier to maintain as time goes on)

	You're joking, right?

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> begin  Idan Gazit  quotation:
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> > will also be easier to maintain as time goes on)
> 
> 	You're joking, right?

Damn, and I was hoping for some cranked up Alexander Viro lecture stylin's.

  Dude, you've so chilled.

- Jeff

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begin  Jeff Waugh  quotation:
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> > begin  Idan Gazit  quotation:
> > > * 1 Central list of dependencies at the root of the garnome dir
> > > (this will also be easier to maintain as time goes on)
> > 
> > 	You're joking, right?
> 
> Damn, and I was hoping for some cranked up Alexander Viro lecture
> stylin's.
> 
>   Dude, you've so chilled.

	Ha ha.  Well, I'm tryin' not to bad-cop your project, and I
really am interested in hearing out anyone who's bothered to *write
code*.  I figure I'll let him explain his justification for the
architectural choices, rebut if necessary, lecture if persistently
wrong, and flame if he's obnoxious.  

	So far, however, what I see is an interested developer who's
exploring the GAR architecture, and that makes me happy.

	Now merge upstream, ya lazy arse!

-- 
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> > Damn, and I was hoping for some cranked up Alexander Viro lecture
> > stylin's.
> > 
> >   Dude, you've so chilled.
> 
> 	Ha ha.  Well, I'm tryin' not to bad-cop your project, and I
> really am interested in hearing out anyone who's bothered to *write
> code*.  I figure I'll let him explain his justification for the
> architectural choices, rebut if necessary, lecture if persistently
> wrong, and flame if he's obnoxious.  
> 
> 	So far, however, what I see is an interested developer who's
> exploring the GAR architecture, and that makes me happy.

You haven't just chilled - you're getting old! :-) Further encouragement for
GAR-hacking (and to check out what I haven't pulled down from upstream yet,
because I'm a lazy git, or maybe just too busy with GNOME stuff):

  http://gar.lnx-bbc.org/

> 	Now merge upstream, ya lazy arse!

Yes Mum, right after I take out the garbage...

- Jeff (who runs off to do a GNOME release instead, nyah nyah!)

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Nick Moffitt & Jeff Waugh Wrote:

 > You suck. You know nothing about the intricacies of make or gar or 
anything that matches the glob pattern "auto*".

Uh... Guilty! It was just a suggestion that came around because I wrote 
the app to do exactly what I wrote in the first post; i.e. get a list of 
dependencies w/o doing it by hand (Think perl -- why do it by hand when 
you can spend a day writing an app to do it for you? Laziness, hubris...)

Well, it was a nice idea until I had it handed to me well-done on a platter.

Hope to contribute something more worthwhile in the future,

Idan


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> Nick Moffitt & Jeff Waugh Wrote:
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> > You suck. You know nothing about the intricacies of make or gar or
> > anything that matches the glob pattern "auto*".
> 
> Uh... Guilty!

Ha ha, awwww. :-)

> It was just a suggestion that came around because I wrote the app to do
> exactly what I wrote in the first post; i.e. get a list of dependencies
> w/o doing it by hand (Think perl -- why do it by hand when you can spend a
> day writing an app to do it for you? Laziness, hubris...)

Blame my laziness for not upgrading to the latest GAR stuff. :-)

> Hope to contribute something more worthwhile in the future,

You're way welcome, I think a few people have learnt a bit more about GAR
and make just through this thread.

btw, I've been using GAR as a basis for some impromtu make tutorials - if
you want to get to know some really handy make stuff in a really cool
project, read the GAR makefiles. Nick ("maaaate!") has done a sterling job.

- Jeff

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> 
> > I've written a free program called distcc, which distributes the work of
> > compilation across several machines on a network.  It works well with
> > GARNOME, and (leaving aside downloads) can compile more than twice as fast
> > as plain gcc.
> 
> Rock! So the bugs you found with libtool and such are all fixed?

You actually still need a small workaround of using a shell script
"distc", that does

  exec distcc gcc "$@"

libtool works happily with that, and in truth libtool itself is so
slow that the small overhead of the script won't matter much.

I'll do it properly in the next one or two releases so that libtool
will be able to just call distcc directly.

I sent patches for a couple of small Makefile races, but there may be
some more lurking in there.

Aside from that, yes, it works well.

The other thing that would help it would be to increase the level of
parallelism in GARNOME.  For example, you could compile gtk+ while you
are downloading libgnome.  This would help even for people without
distcc, and for distcc it should be a big boost.  Of course it will
make it a little more complex, but no worse than -j in general.

-- 
Martin 

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> The other thing that would help it would be to increase the level of
> parallelism in GARNOME.  For example, you could compile gtk+ while you are
> downloading libgnome.  This would help even for people without distcc, and
> for distcc it should be a big boost.  Of course it will make it a little
> more complex, but no worse than -j in general.

Yeah, good call. I'm going to look into this once I've upgraded to latest
upstream.

Thanks,

- Jeff

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Can anyone tell me where to find this beast?  It does not seem to be 
part of the garnome distribution and I'm having a tough time finding it..  

Thanks,
Larry


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gnome-control-center?

Larry McQueary had the audacity to claim:

>Can anyone tell me where to find this beast?  It does not seem to be part of
>the garnome distribution and I'm having a tough time finding it..


-- 

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Hmmm.  I don't find that in the control-center package.  I am not 
running Linux, FYI, so I'm looking for a current GNOME source package 
that contains this shell script (gnome-config).

Thanks,
Larry

Vigil wrote:

>gnome-control-center?
>
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>>Can anyone tell me where to find this beast?  It does not seem to be part of
>>the garnome distribution and I'm having a tough time finding it..
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begin  Jeff Waugh  quotation:
> 
> > The other thing that would help it would be to increase the level
> > of parallelism in GARNOME.  For example, you could compile gtk+
> > while you are downloading libgnome.  This would help even for
> > people without distcc, and for distcc it should be a big boost.
> > Of course it will make it a little more complex, but no worse than
> > -j in general.
> 
> Yeah, good call. I'm going to look into this once I've upgraded to
> latest upstream.

	It's a tough problem, and one that I'd like to see solved
portably.  Some individual packages, for example, are not internally
parallelizable, and the system would need to be smart about
dependencies.  We'd probably need to set up some sort of external
locking mechanism, and that makes me kind of queasy.

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On  7 Sep 2002, Nick Moffitt  wrote:
>> [external parallelization]

(or, as my old professor called it, paralysation.)

> 	It's a tough problem, and one that I'd like to see solved
> portably.  Some individual packages, for example, are not internally
> parallelizable, and the system would need to be smart about
> dependencies.  We'd probably need to set up some sort of external
> locking mechanism, and that makes me kind of queasy.

My naive idea was that building several packages in parallel would be
a nice way to avoid worrying about whether they are internally
parallelizable.  So at the GAR level dependencies like this would seem
to be safe and also permit useful parallelization:

  install-libgtk: build-libgtk
  build-libgtk: download-libgtk
  build-libgnome: install-libgtk download-libgnome

I haven't looked at whether this would work inside GARNOME.  I guess
you would want to have some kind of lock file indicating that the
installation has completed, so that you don't need to actually run
"make install" every time.  I suppose also you would want some kind of
limit on the number of download tasks that can run at any time.
 
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> Can anyone tell me where to find this beast?  It does not seem to be 
> part of the garnome distribution and I'm having a tough time finding it..  

It's in libgnome 1.x... What's looking for it?

- Jeff

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xscreensaver was, probably because it hasn't been updated to gnome2 yet. 
 I'm having trouble getting xscreensaver's configure script to like my 
libxml and libMesaGL installations, and so far have been too lazy to 
unravel the script and doctor it appropriately.  It seemed that 
gnome-config might have solved the problem, but I guess I'll just have 
to hack the script after all.

Thanks,
Larry

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>>Can anyone tell me where to find this beast?  It does not seem to be 
>>part of the garnome distribution and I'm having a tough time finding it..  
>>    
>>
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>It's in libgnome 1.x... What's looking for it?
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>- Jeff
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> xscreensaver was, probably because it hasn't been updated to gnome2 yet.
> I'm having trouble getting xscreensaver's configure script to like my
> libxml and libMesaGL installations, and so far have been too lazy to
> unravel the script and doctor it appropriately.  It seemed that
> gnome-config might have solved the problem, but I guess I'll just have to
> hack the script after all.

The very latest versions of xscreensaver have a G2 control panel, so
shouldn't require gnome-config.

Be aware that xscreensaver really, really, really wants to be installed in
your proper system prefix to work properly (which is why it isn't in
GARNOME).

- Jeff

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Hi,

I've just completed a fresh install of Debian and have built garnome, as
well as gdm.  I'm running gdm from my home directory and  I followed the
instructions in the FAQ to setup my .xsession.  When I log in I only get a
xterm without borders, no mouse menus, etc.  Sort of like when you press
Shift-F1 for xdm to login in safe mode.  Any help on actually getting the
menus, control center, etc would be really appreciated.

Thanks,

Ramon Kagan
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(416)736-2100 #20263
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Well, define proper system prefix?  I think for Solaris users it's 
perhaps less straightforward.  (Danger, danger, broad know-it-all, 
annoying generalization follows).  In the world of Linux, just about 
everything that commercial UNIX users get as part of their standard OS 
distribution is freeware; rather than being an 'alternate' piece of 
software that one can use for a particular purpose, it is 'the' software 
to use for a particular purpose (ex: in Linux you use GNU fileutils 
because, well, it's basically the fileutils package for every UNIX 
system.  OTOH, I use GNU fileutils on Solaris because they are more 
'sane' in certain circumstances and with treatment of certain arguments 
(e.g. tar -C with garnome!!!) than the Solaris versions.  

The point I'm getting to (honest) is that while it's perfectly normal in 
the world of Linux to go install extra software in /bin, /usr/bin, 
/usr/X11R6/bin, etc.... it's not OK to me to install any of this stuff 
anywhere but in /usr/local,  /usr/local/, or /opt/ on 
a Solaris box.

But all this aside, I guess you're telling be that xscreensaver *really* 
wants to be in /usr/X11R6/bin, etc ?  What is the *very* latest version? 
 I was working with 4.04.

Incidentally, I got it working after munging the Makefiles a bit; 
however the path of least resistance was to have it install in my 
garnome install directories vs. /usr/local (which was my preference, 
since, as you pointed out, this is not part of garnome).

Still didn't get the XML or OpenGL stuff to get picked up by configure 
(as noted below, which is what led me into this discussion), but the 
basics work a treat.

Any additional pointers on this appreciated.

Thanks,
Larry

Jeff Waugh wrote:

>
>
>  
>
>>xscreensaver was, probably because it hasn't been updated to gnome2 yet.
>>I'm having trouble getting xscreensaver's configure script to like my
>>libxml and libMesaGL installations, and so far have been too lazy to
>>unravel the script and doctor it appropriately.  It seemed that
>>gnome-config might have solved the problem, but I guess I'll just have to
>>hack the script after all.
>>    
>>
>
>The very latest versions of xscreensaver have a G2 control panel, so
>shouldn't require gnome-config.
>
>Be aware that xscreensaver really, really, really wants to be installed in
>your proper system prefix to work properly (which is why it isn't in
>GARNOME).
>
>- Jeff
>
>  
>


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Hi Gene,

On Fri, 6 Sep 2002 21:13:20 -0400
Gene Heskett  wrote:

> [...]
> Update, they didn't.  Got worse in fact.  I cleaned out the build 
> dir for gcc3.2, reran the configure using all the defaults, make'd 
> a bootstrap, check and install.  No difference, so I went after 
> qt-3.0.5, but gave it a bunch of options since it defaults to a lot 
> of them off.  Built it, no errors important enough to abort the 
> build.
> 
> Now I can't even startx, and in garnome-0.14.1/meta/kde I get this 
> for a make:
> ----------------
> [...]
> checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C 
> compiler cannot create executables
> [...]
> 
> Reverting back to qt-3.0.4 as /usr/loca/lqt and startx works, 
> running it now.
> 
> Ideas?

Whenever you see "C compiler cannot create executable" in autoconf/automake
and libtool-based projects, you should first take a look at "configure.log"
to find the exact file/parameters that are being given to the compiler.
It may be any number of things from invalid parameters, to something as
basic as having no r/x permissions in include or lib directories in the
compiler search paths.

Having said that, Qt being C++-based, and there are changes in ABI between
versions 2.95.x, 3.0.x, 3.1.x, and 3.2.x, expect troubles during linking
if you use different compiler than the one which was used to compile Qt.

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> Well, define proper system prefix?  I think for Solaris users it's perhaps
> less straightforward.

It should be less straightfoward for anyone installing new software from
source on a *NIX system. :-) From memory, it's mostly the X resource files
that have issues being 'out of prefix' (with regards to X).

> What is the *very* latest version?  I was working with 4.04.

Yeah, that's it - the G2D stuff must be behind a configure variable.

Thanks,

- Jeff

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Hi,

I noticed that gimp-freetype is in the gnome directory structure in 
garnome-0.14.1 but does not build -- is that normal?

Also, my nautilus has problems locating XftConfig, and so do I - is this 
part of the freetype package?  Do I really need this package given that 
I've got my own X stuff courtesy of Solaris?  Is there some suitable way 
to make nautilus look for the appropriate font configuration file elsewhere?

Thanks,
Larry


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Correction: when I say fails to build, I mean that it simply doesn't 
even try to build it from what I can see.

Thanks,
Larry

Larry McQueary wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I noticed that gimp-freetype is in the gnome directory structure in 
> garnome-0.14.1 but does not build -- is that normal?
>
> Also, my nautilus has problems locating XftConfig, and so do I - is 
> this part of the freetype package?  Do I really need this package 
> given that I've got my own X stuff courtesy of Solaris?  Is there some 
> suitable way to make nautilus look for the appropriate font 
> configuration file elsewhere?
>
> Thanks,
> Larry
>


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Hi Larry,

On Mon, 09 Sep 2002 11:22:52 -0600
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> Correction: when I say fails to build, I mean that it simply doesn't 
> even try to build it from what I can see.
> 
> Thanks,
> Larry

GIMP and other applications are built from gnome-fifth-toe subdirectory.
You can check the "Makefile" in each of the meta/* subdirectories to see
which apps/libs get built.  Additional libs are required for building
some apps in fifth-toe directory.  If you don't need audio-related apps
I guess you can ignore them (they seem to be built last, so it's no big
deal if they're not built).

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> Correction: when I say fails to build, I mean that it simply doesn't even
> try to build it from what I can see.

Yeah, there's *heaps* of stuff in the ports that aren't built by the
gnome-desktop meta garball. Some of them are built with the other meta
garballs, but you can always build them individually anyway - they have full
dependencies.

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hey all,

now i've spent (hopefully) plenty of time browsing mailing list archives =
for
 a solution to this problem.  I was able to find plenty of other people
 having the same exact error, but never any using garnome greater then
 0.8.6....

i'm using garnome-0.14.1 on slackware 8.0.
my distro is close to stock install. i have XFree86-4.1 with 2.4.5 kernel=
=2E

the compile fails during pango's make.

so during the compile of garnome i get an error like this:

=3D=3D> Running make in work/pango-1.0.4
make[4]: Entering directory
`/home/blargg/download/garnome-0.14.1/gnome/pango/work/pango-1.0.4'
make  all-recursive

(it's running make on pango....)
(blah blah)

(then here)
cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -DPANGO_ENABLE_BACKEND -DPANGO_ENABLE_ENG=
INE
-DSYSCONFDIR=3D\"/opt/gnome2/etc\" -DLIBDIR=3D\"/opt/gnome2/lib\"
-DMODULE_VERSION=3D\"1.0.0\" -DG_DISABLE_DEPRECATED -I/usr/X11R6/include
-I/opt/gnome2/include -I/opt/gnome2/include/freetype2 -I..
-I/opt/gnome2/include -I/opt/gnome2/include -I/opt/gnome2/include
-I/opt/gnome2/include -I/opt/gnome2/include -O2 -pipe -g
-I/opt/gnome2/include -O2 -pipe -g -I/opt/gnome2/include -O2 -pipe -g
-I/opt/gnome2/include -Wall -D_REENTRANT -I/opt/gnome2/include/glib-2.0
-I/opt/gnome2/lib/glib-2.0/include -c pangoxft-font.c  -fPIC -DPIC -o
pangoxft-font.lo
In file included from pangoxft.h:27,
                 from pangoxft-private.h:25,
                 from pangoxft-font.c:26:
=2E./pango/pango-ot.h:43: parse error before `face'
In file included from pangoxft-private.h:25,
                 from pangoxft-font.c:26:
pangoxft.h:64: parse error before `pango_xft_font_get_face'
pangoxft.h:64: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of
`pango_xft_font_get_face'
pangoxft.h:64: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
In file included from pangoxft-font.c:27:
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:34: parse error before
`_XftFTlibrary'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:34: warning: type defaults to `i=
nt'
in d/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:34: warning: data definition=
 has
no type or storage class
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:37: parse error before `FT_Face'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:37: warning: no semicolon at end=
 of
struct or union
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:41: parse error before `size'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:41: warning: type defaults to `i=
nt'
in declaration of `size'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:41: warning: data definition has=
 no
type or storage class
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:54: parse error before `matrix'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:54: warning: type defaults to `i=
nt'
in declaration of `matrix'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:54: warning: data definition has=
 no
type or storage class
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:71: parse error before `face'
pangoxft-font.c: In function `get_mini_font':
pangoxft-font.c:164: `FT_Face' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:164: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
pangoxft-font.c:164: for each function it appears in.)
pangoxft-font.c:164: parse error before `face'
pangoxft-font.c:176: `face' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:181: warning: implicit declaration of function declaratio=
n of
`_XftFTlibrary' `FT_Get_Char_Index'


ok, their is more output that i'm not including because it was long..so i
 left it out.

now i've read in garnome-list archives, that past people on slackware wer=
e
having problems.  one fix said to get freetype-2.0.9 installed and it wou=
ld
work.  the email said pango wouldn't compile/link against freetype-2.1.2.=
  ??

so i've compiled freetype-2.0.9 but garnome still automatically downloads
freetype-2.1.2



what is the fix to this error?  am i missing some obvious fix that other
 slack users know about?   did i not thouroughly search the net for the f=
ix?


thanks,

ben



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On Monday 09 September 2002 12:38, Vichaya Sidhipong wrote:
>Hi Gene,
>
>On Fri, 6 Sep 2002 21:13:20 -0400
>
>Gene Heskett  wrote:
>> [...]
>> Update, they didn't.  Got worse in fact.  I cleaned out the
>> build dir for gcc3.2, reran the configure using all the
>> defaults, make'd a bootstrap, check and install.  No difference,
>> so I went after qt-3.0.5, but gave it a bunch of options since
>> it defaults to a lot of them off.  Built it, no errors important
>> enough to abort the build.
>>
>> Now I can't even startx, and in garnome-0.14.1/meta/kde I get
>> this for a make:
>> ----------------
>> [...]
>> checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C
>> compiler cannot create executables
>> [...]
>>
>> Reverting back to qt-3.0.4 as /usr/loca/lqt and startx works,
>> running it now.
>>
>> Ideas?
>
>Whenever you see "C compiler cannot create executable" in
> autoconf/automake and libtool-based projects, you should first
> take a look at "configure.log" to find the exact file/parameters
> that are being given to the compiler. It may be any number of
> things from invalid parameters, to something as basic as having
> no r/x permissions in include or lib directories in the compiler
> search paths.
>
>Having said that, Qt being C++-based, and there are changes in ABI
> between versions 2.95.x, 3.0.x, 3.1.x, and 3.2.x, expect troubles
> during linking if you use different compiler than the one which
> was used to compile Qt.

It appears that I cannot control where the compiler is looking for 
its c++ includes, the Makefile apparently being permanently locked 
to -I/usr/include, which of course is supposedly deprecated in the 
first place, and sure as heck not where gcc3.2 puts them.  The STL 
stuffs get put in

/usr/local/gcc3.2/include/c++/3.2/bits

And in one install they wound up in

/usr/local/gcc3.2/include/c++/3.2/i686--pc-linux-gnu/include/

but I tore that one out as being totally unusable in the real world.

This install is almost sane compared to my first two tries.

-- 
Cheers, Gene
AMD K6-III@500mhz 320M
Athlon1600XP@1400mhz  512M
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Subject: Re: garnome-0.14.1 and slackware 8.0 won't compile
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Hi Ben,

I'm running garnome on slack 8.1 and ran into similar problems
compiling, you are right that you need to update freetype.

If you're installing from a tarball, you may have an issue with garnome
still looking to your old package, easiest fix would be to remove the
freetype package and then install from tarball.

Even easier (what I did) would be to grab some updated packages at
linuxpackages.net, and just use upgradepkg. I'm running freetype-2.1.2
from there.

Hope I helped.

Long Live Slack,

-- Matt

On Mon, 2002-09-09 at 12:54, ben f wrote:
> hey all,
> 
> now i've spent (hopefully) plenty of time browsing mailing list archives for
>  a solution to this problem.  I was able to find plenty of other people
>  having the same exact error, but never any using garnome greater then
>  0.8.6....
> 
> i'm using garnome-0.14.1 on slackware 8.0.
> my distro is close to stock install. i have XFree86-4.1 with 2.4.5 kernel.
> 
> the compile fails during pango's make.
> 
> so during the compile of garnome i get an error like this:
> 
> ==> Running make in work/pango-1.0.4
> make[4]: Entering directory
> `/home/blargg/download/garnome-0.14.1/gnome/pango/work/pango-1.0.4'
> make  all-recursive
> 
> (it's running make on pango....)
> (blah blah)
> 
> (then here)
> cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -DPANGO_ENABLE_BACKEND -DPANGO_ENABLE_ENGINE
> -DSYSCONFDIR=\"/opt/gnome2/etc\" -DLIBDIR=\"/opt/gnome2/lib\"
> -DMODULE_VERSION=\"1.0.0\" -DG_DISABLE_DEPRECATED -I/usr/X11R6/include
> -I/opt/gnome2/include -I/opt/gnome2/include/freetype2 -I..
> -I/opt/gnome2/include -I/opt/gnome2/include -I/opt/gnome2/include
> -I/opt/gnome2/include -I/opt/gnome2/include -O2 -pipe -g
> -I/opt/gnome2/include -O2 -pipe -g -I/opt/gnome2/include -O2 -pipe -g
> -I/opt/gnome2/include -Wall -D_REENTRANT -I/opt/gnome2/include/glib-2.0
> -I/opt/gnome2/lib/glib-2.0/include -c pangoxft-font.c  -fPIC -DPIC -o
> pangoxft-font.lo
> In file included from pangoxft.h:27,
>                  from pangoxft-private.h:25,
>                  from pangoxft-font.c:26:
> ../pango/pango-ot.h:43: parse error before `face'
> In file included from pangoxft-private.h:25,
>                  from pangoxft-font.c:26:
> pangoxft.h:64: parse error before `pango_xft_font_get_face'
> pangoxft.h:64: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of
> `pango_xft_font_get_face'
> pangoxft.h:64: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
> In file included from pangoxft-font.c:27:
> /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:34: parse error before
> `_XftFTlibrary'
> /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:34: warning: type defaults to `int'
> in d/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:34: warning: data definition has
> no type or storage class
> /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:37: parse error before `FT_Face'
> /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:37: warning: no semicolon at end of
> struct or union
> /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:41: parse error before `size'
> /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:41: warning: type defaults to `int'
> in declaration of `size'
> /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:41: warning: data definition has no
> type or storage class
> /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:54: parse error before `matrix'
> /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:54: warning: type defaults to `int'
> in declaration of `matrix'
> /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:54: warning: data definition has no
> type or storage class
> /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:71: parse error before `face'
> pangoxft-font.c: In function `get_mini_font':
> pangoxft-font.c:164: `FT_Face' undeclared (first use in this function)
> pangoxft-font.c:164: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
> pangoxft-font.c:164: for each function it appears in.)
> pangoxft-font.c:164: parse error before `face'
> pangoxft-font.c:176: `face' undeclared (first use in this function)
> pangoxft-font.c:181: warning: implicit declaration of function declaration of
> `_XftFTlibrary' `FT_Get_Char_Index'
> 
> 
> ok, their is more output that i'm not including because it was long..so i
>  left it out.
> 
> now i've read in garnome-list archives, that past people on slackware were
> having problems.  one fix said to get freetype-2.0.9 installed and it would
> work.  the email said pango wouldn't compile/link against freetype-2.1.2.  ??
> 
> so i've compiled freetype-2.0.9 but garnome still automatically downloads
> freetype-2.1.2
> 
> 
> 
> what is the fix to this error?  am i missing some obvious fix that other
>  slack users know about?   did i not thouroughly search the net for the fix?
> 
> 
> thanks,
> 
> ben
> 
> 
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GARNOME 0.15.0: "The Little Furnace"
====================================

GARNOME - the bad-ass, bleeding edge GNOME distribution for testers and
tweakers everywhere. If you're dying to test the latest GNOME 2.0 Desktop
releases, but don't want to fall into the depraved addictions and
co-dependencies of testing from anonymous CVS, then GARNOME is for you.

[ In other words, GARNOME is a build tool for GNOME 2.x which includes the
developer platform and desktop releases, as well as a host of other software
ported to the GNOME 2.x platform. Everything is as easy to build as 'make
install'. We call it a 'distribution' because it's sanity-tested and often
patched before release, for your convenience and enjoyment. ;-) ]


Random Stuff
------------

Another belated announcement, if only by a few hours this time. A quick
hint: Sometimes you'll find new tarballs up on the download site that
haven't been announced yet.

That's either due to laziness on my part, giving the regulars on #garnome
time to test it and point out my foibles before the rest of the world can,
or just because I've done anther GNOME release at a very silly hour and have
fallen asleep before getting GARNOME out. That's what happened this time. :)

... it's so hard to resist the mighty power of The Little Furnace!


What's New?
-----------

  * Updated to the GNOME 2.0.2 RC 1.

  * Updated GAR system to latest upstream version. HOORAY! Thanks to Nick
    Moffit and the LNX-BBC crew for such a kickarse reusable project.

  * Moved compiler settings out of category files and into gar.conf.mk.

  * Fixed: memprof should be in gnome-hacker-tools meta garball.

  * Fixed: gimp-print now configures with --without-cups, to avoid
    out-of-GARNOME-prefix installation borkage.

  * Fixed: Remove upstream's glibc workarounds. They just cramp our elite
    cross-platform stylin's. Thanks to ajmitch.

  * Fixed: gst-plugins -Werror removal fixes some issues, thanks again to
    ajmitch.

  * Fixed: gnome-vfs has had a new release, so the menu issues are fixed.
    Some unexpected foo might happen if you have pre-existing vfolders state
    stored in ~/.gnome2/vfolders/ -> be careful out there!


Where Do I Get It?
------------------

The tarball and documentation [1] are available on the GARNOME website:

  http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/garnome/


Enjoy G2D and GARNOME. :-)

- Jeff

[1] People who don't read the documentation tend to look pretty silly on
garnome-list and in #garnome.

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begin  Jeff Waugh  quotation:
>   * Fixed: Remove upstream's glibc workarounds. They just cramp our
>   elite cross-platform stylin's. Thanks to ajmitch.

	I take it this is the LD_LIBRARY_PATH stuff?

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> begin  Jeff Waugh  quotation:
> >   * Fixed: Remove upstream's glibc workarounds. They just cramp our
> >   elite cross-platform stylin's. Thanks to ajmitch.
> 
> 	I take it this is the LD_LIBRARY_PATH stuff?

Nah, just the LD_PRELOAD of libc.so... Bit of an issue for our non-GNU/Linux
users. :-)

- Jeff

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On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Larry McQueary wrote:

> The point I'm getting to (honest) is that while it's perfectly normal in
> the world of Linux to go install extra software in /bin, /usr/bin,
> /usr/X11R6/bin, etc.... it's not OK to me to install any of this stuff
> anywhere but in /usr/local,  /usr/local/, or /opt/ on
> a Solaris box.

I don't think it's perfectly normal in the world of Linux to install extra
software in anywhere but /usr/local and /opt (except $HOME ;-).  Dispite
your initial warning I feel compelled to reply to this.  Anyway, good luck
with xscreensaver, maybe someone can talk them into doing things in a more
sane fashion?  I have no experience, but I trust Jeff's opinion on it.  It
would certainly be nice to have xscreensaver as a part of GARNOME.

regards,
Sean


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Hi,
I installed garnome under my user: home/Marco: after various modeule comp=
ilation
I tried to compile the gnome-applets but received first this error:

./configure: config.log: Permission denied
make[1]: *** [configure-work/libgtop-2.0.0/configure] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory ?home/Marco/garnome-0.12.0/libgtop?
make: *** [dep-../../gnome/libgtop] Error 2

I give the prompt the su command and the compilation continue but after
some lines the compilation stopped and obtain this error:

checking for pkg-config... no
*** The pkg-config script could not be found. Make sure it is
*** in your path, or set the PKG_CONFIG environment variable
*** to the full path to pkg-config.
*** Or see http://www.freedesktop.org/software/pkg-config to get pkg-conf=
ig.
configure error: Library requirements (glib2.0 >=3D 2.0.0) not met; consi=
der
adj
usting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in
a nonst
andard prefix so pkg-config can find them.
make[1]: *** [configure-work/libgtop-2.0.0/configure] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory ?home/Marco/garnome-0.12.0/libgtop?
make: *** [dep-../../gnome/libgtop] Error 2

I compiled previously the pkg-config and it is good, but I see that under=

the pkg-config there is another glib (it seems 1.2.18). But in another li=
nux
on my disk I installed garnome under root and downloaded files from the
gnome site and never met this error. In fact now I am in another system
and try to compile package that I found on a cd magazine. I controlled th=
e
packages and they are good (it seems).
What about this error in compilation?
Best regards,

Marco Mangiante

P.S.: I use garnome-0.12.0 while in the other system I used garnome-0.13.=
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Hi,
I compiled kde using garnome but I don't get amy mime
types installed. Due to this, nothing seems to work on
the desktop. I get some error from kioslave etc...also
there are no menu items appearing on tke 'K' menu!

TIA,
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Hi,
I compiled kde using garnome but I don't get amy mime
types installed. Due to this, nothing seems to work on
the desktop. I get some error from kioslave etc...also
there are no menu items appearing on tke 'K' menu!

TIA,
VIcky

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Your problems seem like you installed some packages with one user then
tried to install others with a different user. To me it sounds like you
should just delete all the garnome stuff and start over.
I don't completely understand what you are saying though.  perhaps if you
gave a walkthrough of what commands you ran to install garnome it would
be easier to diagnose your problem?

regards,
Sean

On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 marcomangiante@virgilio.it wrote:

> Hi,
> I installed garnome under my user: home/Marco: after various modeule compilation
> I tried to compile the gnome-applets but received first this error:
>
> ./configure: config.log: Permission denied
> make[1]: *** [configure-work/libgtop-2.0.0/configure] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory ?home/Marco/garnome-0.12.0/libgtop?
> make: *** [dep-../../gnome/libgtop] Error 2
>
> I give the prompt the su command and the compilation continue but after
> some lines the compilation stopped and obtain this error:
>
> checking for pkg-config... no
> *** The pkg-config script could not be found. Make sure it is
> *** in your path, or set the PKG_CONFIG environment variable
> *** to the full path to pkg-config.
> *** Or see http://www.freedesktop.org/software/pkg-config to get pkg-config.
> configure error: Library requirements (glib2.0 >= 2.0.0) not met; consider
> adj
> usting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in
> a nonst
> andard prefix so pkg-config can find them.
> make[1]: *** [configure-work/libgtop-2.0.0/configure] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory ?home/Marco/garnome-0.12.0/libgtop?
> make: *** [dep-../../gnome/libgtop] Error 2
>
> I compiled previously the pkg-config and it is good, but I see that under
> the pkg-config there is another glib (it seems 1.2.18). But in another linux
> on my disk I installed garnome under root and downloaded files from the
> gnome site and never met this error. In fact now I am in another system
> and try to compile package that I found on a cd magazine. I controlled the
> packages and they are good (it seems).
> What about this error in compilation?
> Best regards,
>
> Marco Mangiante
>
> P.S.: I use garnome-0.12.0 while in the other system I used garnome-0.13.1
>
>
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Ramon Kagan wrote:

> I've just completed a fresh install of Debian and have built garnome, as
> well as gdm.  I'm running gdm from my home directory and  I followed the
> instructions in the FAQ to setup my .xsession.  When I log in I only get a
> xterm without borders, no mouse menus, etc.  Sort of like when you press
> Shift-F1 for xdm to login in safe mode.  Any help on actually getting the
> menus, control center, etc would be really appreciated.

Sounds like you have the same problem I was having. Your .xsession file isn't being used by /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession because the .xsession file is not executable. Maybe chmod +x ~/.xsession would correct the problem like it did for me.

Hope this helps.

regards,
syd.



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Installed Garnome 0.15.0 last night with no compile problems whatsoever
on my Slackware 8.1 based system. (Although I did remove the Slackware
Nautilus package before compiling... I also copied my Slackware-specific
gconf path before logging back in.) 

Everything looks OK, except that there are no items except submenus
under Desktop Preferences on the main menu.

Everything's there via Nautilus, and the quick look I took at the
vfolder structure this morning didn't reveal any obvious issues.

I plan to dig deeper, but thought I'd ask around first.

TIA

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I have a couple of small suggestions for the FAQ:

1. Add to FAQ #10 that in case the .xsession file doesn't already exist, 
it should be created and made executable.

2. For redhat7.3 users, suggest that they use GConf-1.0.9 from RawHide, 
to avoid conflicts with gconfd-1.

This is a really great package to use. Thanks for all your hard work.

Regards
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Hi,

I figured out that the path wasn't being picked up properly.  .xsession
doesn't need to executable.

Ramon Kagan
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On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Sydney Weidman wrote:

> Ramon Kagan wrote:
>
> > I've just completed a fresh install of Debian and have built garnome, as
> > well as gdm.  I'm running gdm from my home directory and  I followed the
> > instructions in the FAQ to setup my .xsession.  When I log in I only get a
> > xterm without borders, no mouse menus, etc.  Sort of like when you press
> > Shift-F1 for xdm to login in safe mode.  Any help on actually getting the
> > menus, control center, etc would be really appreciated.
>
> Sounds like you have the same problem I was having. Your .xsession file isn't being used by /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession because the .xsession file is not executable. Maybe chmod +x ~/.xsession would correct the problem like it did for me.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> regards,
> syd.
>
>


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> Everything looks OK, except that there are no items except submenus
> under Desktop Preferences on the main menu.
> 
> Everything's there via Nautilus, and the quick look I took at the
> vfolder structure this morning didn't reveal any obvious issues.

Try deleting your ~/.gnome2/vfolders/ directory. The return of menu editing
causes some pain for people who've edited their menus in the betas or
manually.

- Jeff

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How about a list of packages that are installed by Garnome since the previous
release, or is there already a list that I did not see?

Also, at the bottom of the README:

   3.
file://localhost/home/jdub/src/cvs/gnome/garnome/website/root/download/?N=D
   4.
file://localhost/home/jdub/src/cvs/gnome/garnome/website/root/index.html#changelog
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file://localhost/home/jdub/src/cvs/gnome/garnome/website/root/index.html#configure

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> How about a list of packages that are installed by Garnome since the
> previous release, or is there already a list that I did not see?

I usually mention new garballs in the changelog.

> Also, at the bottom of the README:

Thanks, I'll sed these to what they should be. ;-)

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FS I mean Alien not Aliens.

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>"That's not our system." - Aliens

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"Updated to GNOME 2.0.2 RC 1." doesn't tell me what packages are new :)

Jeff Waugh had the audacity to claim:

>> How about a list of packages that are installed by Garnome since the
>>previous release, or is there already a list that I did not see?
>
>I usually mention new garballs in the changelog.

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> "Updated to GNOME 2.0.2 RC 1." doesn't tell me what packages are new :)

There are no additional modules in GNOME 2.0.x releases. If you want to find
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OK. On what? :)

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>There are no additional modules in GNOME 2.0.x releases. If you want to find
>out exactly what was *updated*, run a diff.

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> OK. On what? :)

diff the old tarball against the new tarball...

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Jeff.

Any particular reason LD_LIBRARY_PATH changed in gar.conf.mk 0.15.1?  It 
now prepends /lib to LD_LIBRARY_PATH, which  just caused me some 
frustrating problems linking files in GARCHIVEDIR to the download dirs. 
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I would recommend not prepending /lib in the default gar.conf.mk.

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> Any particular reason LD_LIBRARY_PATH changed in gar.conf.mk 0.15.1?

Yeah, I brought it in from upstream. I didn't expect it to cause many
problems, but I can understand it would cause issues on commercial *nixes.

Will remove it for 0.15.1, thanks,

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OK, tell us all what this "upstream" thing is.

Jeff Waugh had the audacity to claim:

>Yeah, I brought it in from upstream. I didn't expect it to cause many problems,
>but I can understand it would cause issues on commercial *nixes.

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> OK, tell us all what this "upstream" thing is.

If you'd been following the list, you'd know it was GAR, Nick Moffit's ports
system based on GNU make, created for the LNX-BBC project.

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Oh, right :)

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>> OK, tell us all what this "upstream" thing is.
>
>If you'd been following the list, you'd know it was GAR, Nick Moffit's ports
>system based on GNU make, created for the LNX-BBC project.

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Here the one-liner I use for it:

  for dir in `ls garnome-0.12.1/gnome/`;do diff -u
garnome-0.12.1/gnome/$dir/Makefile garnome-0.15.0/gnome/$dir/Makefile >>
garnome15.diff;done


Since garnome 0.12.1 I just kept up to date with the packages released,
I stopped compiling the whole thing over and over.
And over time I included some packages not in garnome as well. :-)
With the above diff I check if I missed any packages.

-A.

ti, 10-09-2002 kello 23:02, Jeff Waugh kirjoitti:
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> 
> > OK. On what? :)
> 
> diff the old tarball against the new tarball...
> 
> - Jeff
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Hi I am a newb to linux and unfamiliar with the instructions on the garnome 
website about chaning the path in order to boot into garnome when it is done 
building. Can anyone help explain what i should do when garnome is done 
building? I am using the latest version of garnome, and redhat 7.3. If any one 
has any helpful suggestions I appreciate it!

Regards,
Trent


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Hi Trenten,

On Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:36:52 -0400
"Trenten R. Healy"  wrote:

> Hi I am a newb to linux and unfamiliar with the instructions on the garnome 
> website about chaning the path in order to boot into garnome when it is done 
> building. Can anyone help explain what i should do when garnome is done 
> building? I am using the latest version of garnome, and redhat 7.3. If any one 
> has any helpful suggestions I appreciate it!

What I normally do is set these:

export GDK_USE_XFT=1
export PATH=$PATH:/path/to/garnome/bin
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path/to/garnome/lib
startx /path/to/garnome/bin/gnome-session

On some machines where I don't run gdm, I put the above into bash login
script:

case "`tty`" in
/dev/tty[0-9]+)
	whiptail --yesno "Do you want to start GNOME 2.0?" 9 50
	if [ $? -eq 0 ]; then
		export PATH=$PATH:/opt/gnome/bin
		export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/gnome/lib
		export GDK_USE_XFT=1
		startx /opt/gnome/bin/gnome-session
	fi
	;;
esac

and I don't bother with ~/.xsession or ~/.xinitrc primarily for personal
reasons.

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Last night I was trying to compile garnome for Redhat null and my first 
attempt failed.  I thought that this was because of the gcc 3.2 that null 
comes with so I downloaded/compiled/installed gcc 2.95.3.

Then before starting over I thought I should do a "make clean".  So I did 
and I got several warnings about not being unable to delete devices in my 
/dev/ directory because they were in use.  Very shortly after this my box 
went down hard and would not reboot.  I think something like a rm -rf /dev/* 
happened during the "make clean".  Fortunately since this null box was just 
to play around with anyway, nothing important was lost.

Now, I know there is nowhere in the garnome documentation that says I should 
ever do a "make clean".  However, it doesn't seem like a totally 
unreasonable thing to try if you want to start over from a failed build with 
a new compiler.  In any case, it doesn't seem like garnome should hose the 
entire system if someone makes this mistake.

In retrospect I think I maybe shouldn't have been doing this stuff as root 
but I think I actually need to be root to install garnome (at least I've had 
no luck otherwise in the past).

Anyway, no real damage done here but just a heads up on a problem developers 
may want to look at.  If I am totally wrong here let me know but the events 
I described above are exactly as they happened.



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Am I the only one who doesn't see *anything* in Nick Moffitt's messages?


Or is it just simply that I'm using Outlook?

Just curious
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hi,

I'm trying to install garnome 0.15 on my red hat 7.3 machine, but gtk+
fails because of the following error:

...
checking For sufficiently new FreeType (at least 2.0.1)... yes
configure: error: pangox Pango backend is required for x11 target
make: *** [configure-work/gtk+-2.0.6/configure] Error 1

I tried "make -k install" as suggested by someone on the gtk-list, but
that didn't work. pango.pc is right there in garnome/lib/pkgconfig.


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I see them.

Mike Taylor had the audacity to claim:

>Am I the only one who doesn't see *anything* in Nick Moffitt's messages?
>
>
>Or is it just simply that I'm using Outlook?
>
>Just curious

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On Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 04:16:43PM -0400, Mike Taylor wrote:
> Or is it just simply that I'm using Outlook?

Yes.

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Cool, thanks :)

I would have thought Mr. Waugh would have a list of the changed packages, since
he seems to program it...

Aschwin van der Woude had the audacity to claim:

>Here the one-liner I use for it:
>
>  for dir in `ls garnome-0.12.1/gnome/`;do diff -u
>garnome-0.12.1/gnome/$dir/Makefile garnome-0.15.0/gnome/$dir/Makefile >>
>garnome15.diff;done
>
>
>Since garnome 0.12.1 I just kept up to date with the packages released,
>I stopped compiling the whole thing over and over.
>And over time I included some packages not in garnome as well. :-)
>With the above diff I check if I missed any packages.
>
>-A.
>
>ti, 10-09-2002 kello 23:02, Jeff Waugh kirjoitti:
>> 
>>
>> > OK. On what? :)
>>
>> diff the old tarball against the new tarball...
>>
>> - Jeff
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A better way to make the changes permanent would be to put
'/lib' into /etc/ld.so.conf. Make sure to run ldconfig after
that so the OS is aware of the change (or indeed reboot :)).

Put '/bin' in your path (export PATH=...), which will be in
/etc/profile. Also put 'export GDK_USE_XFT=1' at the bottom of that file.

If there's an 'exec' in your ~/.xinitrc, change it to read 'exec gnome-session'.
Either re-log in or 'source /etc/profile', then start X.

Or something.

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>building. Can anyone help explain what i should do when garnome is done >
>building? I am using the latest version of garnome, and redhat 7.3. If any one
>> has any helpful suggestions I appreciate it!

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> I'm trying to install garnome 0.15 on my red hat 7.3 machine, but gtk+
> fails because of the following error:
> 
> ...
> checking For sufficiently new FreeType (at least 2.0.1)... yes
> configure: error: pangox Pango backend is required for x11 target
> make: *** [configure-work/gtk+-2.0.6/configure] Error 1

You need to install the X development packages, and rebuild pango. (Note
that pango must actually reconfigurem, so make clean ; make install it.)

- Jeff

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Getting following error when using GARNOME 0.15.0 on REDHAT 7.3 during 
GNOME 2 compilation.
Any hints???

********************************************************************
yelp-window.c: In function `window_populate':
yelp-window.c:265: `gettext' undeclared (first use in this function)
yelp-window.c:265: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
yelp-window.c:265: for each function it appears in.)
make[4]: *** [yelp-window.o] Error 1
make[4]: Leaving directory
`/tmp/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/yelp/work/yelp-1.0.6/src'
make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory
`/tmp/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/yelp/work/yelp-1.0.6'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/tmp/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/yelp/work/yelp-1.0.6'
make[1]: *** [build-work/yelp-1.0.6/Makefile] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/yelp'
make: *** [dep-../../gnome/yelp] Error 2

********************************************************************





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First off, great job with garnome, I love it.

Minor problem when trying to build gnome-fifth-toe, I get the following
error:

[===== NOW BUILDING:    quick-lounge-applet-0.87        =====]
        [fetch] complete for quick-lounge-applet.
 ==> Running checksum on quick-lounge-applet-0.87.tar.gz
2ac27e900fb072759ac284d5bd3a1855  download/quick-lounge-applet-0.87.tar.gz
download/quick-lounge-applet-0.87.tar.gz: FAILED
*** GAR GAR GAR!  quick-lounge-applet-0.87.tar.gz failed checksum test!  GAR GAR GAR! ***


This is 0.15.0, but I think it also happened on the previous release
too.

Any ideas?

thanks,

greg k-h

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> First off, great job with garnome, I love it.

Rock! Honoured. :-)

> [===== NOW BUILDING:    quick-lounge-applet-0.87        =====]
>         [fetch] complete for quick-lounge-applet.
>  ==> Running checksum on quick-lounge-applet-0.87.tar.gz
> 2ac27e900fb072759ac284d5bd3a1855  download/quick-lounge-applet-0.87.tar.gz
> download/quick-lounge-applet-0.87.tar.gz: FAILED
> *** GAR GAR GAR!  quick-lounge-applet-0.87.tar.gz failed checksum test!  GAR GAR GAR! ***
> 
> 
> This is 0.15.0, but I think it also happened on the previous release
> too.
> 
> Any ideas?

Yeah, seems the upstream source tarball changed... In the hope that it
hasn't been trojanned (I haven't diffed the tarballs yet), do this to build
it in the mean time:

  cd gnome/quick-lounge-applet
  make makesum

Then you're on your way again.

- Jeff

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On Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 09:40:52AM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> Yeah, seems the upstream source tarball changed... In the hope that it
> hasn't been trojanned (I haven't diffed the tarballs yet), do this to build
> it in the mean time:
> 
>   cd gnome/quick-lounge-applet
>   make makesum

Ah, thanks that works.

But hm, why would the upstream tarballs change?  Any pointer to an old
one that I can diff against to verify nothing "bad" is in it?

thanks again,

gregk -h

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Hi Clenio,

You should read the README file to make sure that you have all the required
packages before you build garnome.  In particular, the package you're
missing is "gettext".  Check with your distribution vendor for the exact
name of the package.

On 11 Sep 2002 20:27:00 -0300
Clenio Fonseca  wrote:

> Getting following error when using GARNOME 0.15.0 on REDHAT 7.3 during 
> GNOME 2 compilation.
> Any hints???
> 
> ********************************************************************
> yelp-window.c: In function `window_populate':
> yelp-window.c:265: `gettext' undeclared (first use in this function)
> yelp-window.c:265: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
> yelp-window.c:265: for each function it appears in.)
> make[4]: *** [yelp-window.o] Error 1
> make[4]: Leaving directory
> `/tmp/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/yelp/work/yelp-1.0.6/src'
> make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
> make[3]: Leaving directory
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> make[2]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
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> make[1]: *** [build-work/yelp-1.0.6/Makefile] Error 2
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/yelp'
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> 
> ********************************************************************
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> But hm, why would the upstream tarballs change?

Dunno, the author is pretty fresh, so he might have thought that adding a
small bugfix to an existing tarball was a good idea... Not sure.

> Any pointer to an old one that I can diff against to verify nothing "bad"
> is in it?

I cp'ed over my copy by mistake -> perhaps the best thing to do is ask the
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hi, I'm pretty sure BUILD_CLEAN is broken in 0.15.0, though I'm not 100%
positive.  At the very least it doesn't work how it used to.  I don't have
a big enough hard drive to build garnome w/o it.  So if you could look
into that I'd appreciate it a lot.

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begin  Sean Proctor  quotation:
> hi, I'm pretty sure BUILD_CLEAN is broken in 0.15.0, though I'm not
> 100% positive.  At the very least it doesn't work how it used to.  I
> don't have a big enough hard drive to build garnome w/o it.  So if
> you could look into that I'd appreciate it a lot.

	Yeah.  Old BUILD_CLEAN was Jeff's, and it was a 0 or 1
setting.  My (upstream) BUILD_CLEAN uses an ifdef, so setting it to
ANYTHING causes it to happen.  Jeff merged mine in just before 0.15.

	What are you seeing?

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Could someone update the README to include use of the new system for the
download cache (file_sites => garchivedir) and "make garchive" please?


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Does anyone else have issues with libtool creating many many many 
duplicate library dependencies ??  I find in some packages (like 
gnome-vfs) that I'll have -L/somepathname -lnsl -lsocket (as examples) 
repeated over and over 30, 50, or 100 times for the same link.  Of 
course, many other times, they're only repeated 10 times or less.

It's so bad in some packages that I'll literally get so many repetitions 
of "-lnsl -lsocket" that the line length is exceeded and the script 
malfunctions as a result because the link line is not completed.  I 
finally had to start copying the libtool from gtk+-2.0.6 over into some 
packages, and even then had to hack it up so that it wouldn't loop 
endlessly.

Comments?

Larry
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For that matter, and perhaps libtool's not the culprit on this, in many 
if not most packages I see my CFLAGS being repeated 3, 4, 10 times in a 
row during compilation of each file.  I can appreciate wearing a belt 
and suspenders, but can't understand the ad nauseam repetition.  

Again, is this something everyone else is seeing, or is it perhaps just 
related to my non-Linux system?  I find that hard to believe, given how 
generic GNU make and libtool are meant to be.

Larry McQueary wrote:

> Does anyone else have issues with libtool creating many many many 
> duplicate library dependencies ??  I find in some packages (like 
> gnome-vfs) that I'll have -L/somepathname -lnsl -lsocket (as examples) 
> repeated over and over 30, 50, or 100 times for the same link.  Of 
> course, many other times, they're only repeated 10 times or less.
>
> It's so bad in some packages that I'll literally get so many 
> repetitions of "-lnsl -lsocket" that the line length is exceeded and 
> the script malfunctions as a result because the link line is not 
> completed.  I finally had to start copying the libtool from gtk+-2.0.6 
> over into some packages, and even then had to hack it up so that it 
> wouldn't loop endlessly.
>
> Comments?
>
> Larry
> (Solaris 2.8, gcc-3.2, most common GNU packages installed)
>


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Example:

gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I../.. 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include/glib-2.0 
-I/home/larry/garnome/lib/glib-2.0/include 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 
-I/home/larry/garnome/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include/orbit-2.0 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include/libxml2 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include/linc-1.0 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include/gnome-vfs-module-2.0 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include/libbonobo-2.0 
-DSERVERDIR=\"/home/larry/garnome/libexec\" 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include -I/usr/local/X11R6/include 
-I/usr/local/openssl/include -I/home/larry/garnome/include 
-I/usr/local/X11R6/include -I/usr/local/openssl/include 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include -I/usr/local/X11R6/include 
-I/usr/local/openssl/include -I/home/larry/garnome/include 
-I/usr/local/X11R6/include -I/usr/local/openssl/include 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include -I/usr/local/X11R6/include 
-I/usr/local/openssl/include -I/home/larry/garnome/include 
-I/usr/local/X11R6/include -L/home/larry/garnome/lib 
-L/usr/local/X11R6/lib -I/usr/local/openssl/include -O2 -pipe -g 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include -I/usr/local/X11R6/include 
-L/home/larry/garnome/lib -L/usr/local/X11R6/lib 
-I/usr/local/openssl/include -O2 -pipe -g -I/home/larry/garnome/include 
-I/usr/local/X11R6/include -L/home/larry/garnome/lib 
-L/usr/local/X11R6/lib -I/usr/local/openssl/include -O2 -pipe -g 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include -I/usr/local/X11R6/include 
-L/home/larry/garnome/lib -L/usr/local/X11R6/lib 
-I/usr/local/openssl/include -O2 -pipe -g -I/home/larry/garnome/include 
-I/usr/local/X11R6/include -L/home/larry/garnome/lib 
-L/usr/local/X11R6/lib -I/usr/local/openssl/include -O2 -pipe -c 
help-method.c  -fPIC -DPIC -o help-method.lo
/usr/local/bin/bash ../../libtool --mode=link gcc  
-I/home/larry/garnome/include -I/usr/local/X11R6/include 
-L/home/larry/garnome/lib -L/usr/local/X11R6/lib 
-I/usr/local/openssl/include -O2 -pipe -g -I/home/larry/garnome/include 
-I/usr/local/X11R6/include -L/home/larry/garnome/lib 
-L/usr/local/X11R6/lib -I/usr/local/openssl/include -O2 -pipe -g 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include -I/usr/local/X11R6/include 
-L/home/larry/garnome/lib -L/usr/local/X11R6/lib 
-I/usr/local/openssl/include -O2 -pipe -g -I/home/larry/garnome/include 
-I/usr/local/X11R6/include -L/home/larry/garnome/lib 
-L/usr/local/X11R6/lib -I/usr/local/openssl/include -O2 -pipe -g 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include -I/usr/local/X11R6/include 
-L/home/larry/garnome/lib -L/usr/local/X11R6/lib 
-I/usr/local/openssl/include -O2 -pipe -L/home/larry/garnome/lib 
-L/usr/local/X11R6/lib -L/usr/local/openssl/lib 
-L/home/larry/garnome/lib -L/usr/local/X11R6/lib 
-L/usr/local/openssl/lib -L/home/larry/garnome/lib 
-L/usr/local/X11R6/lib -L/usr/local/openssl/lib 
-L/home/larry/garnome/lib -L/usr/local/X11R6/lib 
-L/usr/local/openssl/lib -L/home/larry/garnome/lib 
-L/usr/local/X11R6/lib -L/usr/local/openssl/lib -o libvfs-help.la -rpath 
/home/larry/garnome/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/modules -export_dynamic 
-avoid-version help-method.lo -L/home/larry/garnome/lib -lgnomevfs-2 
-lbonobo-2 -lbonobo-activation -lORBit-2 -lxml2 -lz -lm -lsocket -lnsl 
-llinc -lgmodule-2.0 -ldl -lgobject-2.0 -lgthread-2.0 -lthread 
-lglib-2.0 -lintl -liconv   -lpopt  -liconv


ARGH!!!

Larry

Larry McQueary wrote:

> For that matter, and perhaps libtool's not the culprit on this, in 
> many if not most packages I see my CFLAGS being repeated 3, 4, 10 
> times in a row during compilation of each file.  I can appreciate 
> wearing a belt and suspenders, but can't understand the ad nauseam 
> repetition. 
> Again, is this something everyone else is seeing, or is it perhaps 
> just related to my non-Linux system?  I find that hard to believe, 
> given how generic GNU make and libtool are meant to be.
>
> Larry McQueary wrote:
>
>> Does anyone else have issues with libtool creating many many many 
>> duplicate library dependencies ??  I find in some packages (like 
>> gnome-vfs) that I'll have -L/somepathname -lnsl -lsocket (as 
>> examples) repeated over and over 30, 50, or 100 times for the same 
>> link.  Of course, many other times, they're only repeated 10 times or 
>> less.
>>
>> It's so bad in some packages that I'll literally get so many 
>> repetitions of "-lnsl -lsocket" that the line length is exceeded and 
>> the script malfunctions as a result because the link line is not 
>> completed.  I finally had to start copying the libtool from 
>> gtk+-2.0.6 over into some packages, and even then had to hack it up 
>> so that it wouldn't loop endlessly.
>>
>> Comments?
>>
>> Larry
>> (Solaris 2.8, gcc-3.2, most common GNU packages installed)
>>
>
>


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Wondering if I need to be root to do make install for gimp-print. I know 
most of the other packages can be installed as a user, since they get 
installed in $HOME/garnome. If I install gimp-print as root will it mess 
up my cups installation?

I get the following errors:

make[6]: Entering directory 
`/home/gnome2/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/gimp-print/work/gimp-print-4.2.2-rc2/src/cups'
make[7]: Entering directory 
`/home/gnome2/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/gimp-print/work/gimp-print-4.2.2-rc2/src/cups'
/bin/sh ../../scripts/mkinstalldirs /home/gnome2/garnome/bin
 /bin/sh ../../libtool  --mode=install /usr/bin/install -c  
cups-calibrate /home/gnome2/garnome/bin/cups-calibrate
/usr/bin/install -c cups-calibrate /home/gnome2/garnome/bin/cups-calibrate
/bin/sh ../../scripts/mkinstalldirs /usr/lib/cups/backend
 /bin/sh ../../libtool  --mode=install /usr/bin/install -c  epson 
/usr/lib/cups/backend/epson
/usr/bin/install -c epson /usr/lib/cups/backend/epson
/usr/bin/install: cannot remove `/usr/lib/cups/backend/epson': 
Permission denied /bin/sh ../../libtool  --mode=install /usr/bin/install 
-c  canon /usr/lib/cups/backend/canon
/usr/bin/install -c canon /usr/lib/cups/backend/canon
/usr/bin/install: cannot remove `/usr/lib/cups/backend/canon': 
Permission deniedmake[7]: *** [install-cupsexec_backendPROGRAMS] Error 1
make[7]: Leaving directory 
`/home/gnome2/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/gimp-print/work/gimp-print-4.2.2-rc2/src/cups'
make[6]: *** [install-am] Error 2
make[6]: Leaving directory 
`/home/gnome2/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/gimp-print/work/gimp-print-4.2.2-rc2/src/cups'
make[5]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
make[5]: Leaving directory 
`/home/gnome2/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/gimp-print/work/gimp-print-4.2.2-rc2/src'



regards,
syd.


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I'm seeing GARNOME take up *a lot* of space.  I could try to build it
again...  The old one deleted the work directory after it finished
building each package, the new one doesn't do this.

Sean

On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Nick Moffitt wrote:

> begin  Sean Proctor  quotation:
> > hi, I'm pretty sure BUILD_CLEAN is broken in 0.15.0, though I'm not
> > 100% positive.  At the very least it doesn't work how it used to.  I
> > don't have a big enough hard drive to build garnome w/o it.  So if
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> 	Yeah.  Old BUILD_CLEAN was Jeff's, and it was a 0 or 1
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> 	What are you seeing?
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begin  Sean Proctor  quotation:
> I'm seeing GARNOME take up *a lot* of space.  I could try to build it
> again...  The old one deleted the work directory after it finished
> building each package, the new one doesn't do this.

What did you do with your BUILD_CLEAN variable?

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> Wondering if I need to be root to do make install for gimp-print. I know 
> most of the other packages can be installed as a user, since they get 
> installed in $HOME/garnome. If I install gimp-print as root will it mess 
> up my cups installation?

Don't bother, it's just being poopie - I meant to disable it in the 0.15.0
garball, but it uses non-standard configure flags, and I chose the wrong
one.

Basically, s/--disable-cups/--without-cups/ in the gimp-print Makefile, then
rebuild (make clean ; make install).

- Jeff

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> For that matter, and perhaps libtool's not the culprit on this, in many 
> if not most packages I see my CFLAGS being repeated 3, 4, 10 times in a 
> row during compilation of each file.  I can appreciate wearing a belt 
> and suspenders, but can't understand the ad nauseam repetition.  
> 
> Again, is this something everyone else is seeing, or is it perhaps just 
> related to my non-Linux system?  I find that hard to believe, given how 
> generic GNU make and libtool are meant to be.

Okay, the CFLAGS issue I believe is mine, however the libtool issue is
simply long standing hideousness. ;-) Happens on every platform.

- Jeff

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> Could someone update the README to include use of the new system for the
> download cache (file_sites => garchivedir) and "make garchive" please?

I'd like to do a big documentation update some time, but I'm pretty flat out
doing other things. If you would like to spend the time adding / modifying
the documentation (please modify index.html from the website, rather than
the README file itself), I would appreciate it enormously.

Thanks,

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Am Thu, 12 Sep 2002 20:37:38 +1000
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> Okay, the CFLAGS issue I believe is mine, however the libtool issue is
> simply long standing hideousness. ;-) Happens on every platform.

Hi

IIRC there is a patch for that in the RedHat RPM for libtool.

> - Jeff

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I uncommented the line that said to be uncommented, so BUILD_CLEAN = true

Sean

On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Nick Moffitt wrote:

> begin  Sean Proctor  quotation:
> > I'm seeing GARNOME take up *a lot* of space.  I could try to build it
> > again...  The old one deleted the work directory after it finished
> > building each package, the new one doesn't do this.
>
> What did you do with your BUILD_CLEAN variable?
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Hi folks,

I just built garnome 0.15 on one of my machines and I noticed that the menu
is a lot shorter than it used to be :->  The desktop's "Applications" menu
doesn't seem to have any apps in it, no games, no internet apps, etc. even-
though the apps are physically present (have been compiled correctly).

Is this a known issue or am I doing something wrong?  0.14.1 was just fine.

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Hi all: I installed garnome 0.15.0 last night. I am still having problems
with gnome-panel. I lost my bottom panel 2 or 3 garnomes ago and have
been trying to replace it ever since. I was able to add a panel this
time but it is only 2 inches wide! And I can not get it any wider? I
still think the work place switcher also has a bug in it. It will not
let me have my 8 work places I like to have. And help still crashes on
me also?

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> Hi all: I installed garnome 0.15.0 last night. I am still having problems
> with gnome-panel. I lost my bottom panel 2 or 3 garnomes ago and have been
> trying to replace it ever since. I was able to add a panel this time but
> it is only 2 inches wide! And I can not get it any wider?

Right click on the panel, choose 'New Panel'. Each submenu there creates a
different kind of panel. Sounds like you want an edge panel.

> I still think the work place switcher also has a bug in it. It will not
> let me have my 8 work places I like to have.

How are you setting up your workspaces?

> And help still crashes on me also?

If it crashes, and you've built with debugging compiled in (as per default),
make sure you submit backtraces to bugzilla via bug-buddy (the crash dialog
will ask you to).

- Jeff

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information on how to do it. =20

Anyway,=20

I've managed to get X to attemp to use gnome2.  Here is the problem I =
get immedietly at login:

Please contact your system administrator to resolve the following =
problem:
Could not resolve the address =
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> I've managed to get X to attemp to use gnome2.  Here is the problem I get
> immedietly at login:
> 
> Please contact your system administrator to resolve the following problem:
> Could not resolve the address
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> "/home/mark/garnome/etc/gconf/2/path": Failed: Could not make directory
> `/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory': No such file or directory

Remove these from your garnome/etc/gconf/2/path file.

- Jeff

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  When using make install, I get the following error in pkgconfig :

make[5]: Entering directory `/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/glib'
[=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D NOW BUILDING:    glib-2.0.6      =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D]
         [fetch] complete for glib.
         [checksum] complete for glib.
         [extract] complete for glib.
         [patch] complete for glib.
  =3D=3D> Building gnome/pkgconfig as a dependency
make[6]: Entering directory =
`/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/pkgconfig'
[=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D NOW BUILDING:    pkgconfig-0.12.0        =
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D]
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         [checksum] complete for pkgconfig.
         [extract] complete for pkgconfig.
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configure: warning: /bin: invalid host type
configure: warning: /sbin: invalid host type
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time
make[6]: *** [configure-work/pkgconfig-0.12.0/configure] Error 1
make[6]: Leaving directory =
`/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/pkgconfig'
make[5]: *** [dep-../../gnome/pkgconfig] Error 2
make[5]: Leaving directory `/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/glib'
make[4]: *** [dep-../../gnome/glib] Error 2
make[4]: Leaving directory `/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/atk'
make[3]: *** [dep-../../gnome/atk] Error 2
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/gtk+'
make[2]: *** [dep-../../gnome/gtk+] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory=20
`/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/misc/redhat-artwork'
make[1]: *** [install] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/misc'
make: *** [install] Error 2
[root@l-at6122 garnome-0.15.0]#

  Help !

	Fabrice
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  When using make install, I get the following =
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make[5]: Entering directory =
`/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/glib'


[=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D NOW BUILDING:    =
glib-2.0.6      =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D]


         =
[fetch] complete for glib.


         =
[checksum] complete for glib.


         =
[extract] complete for glib.


         =
[patch] complete for glib.


  =3D=3D> Building gnome/pkgconfig as a =
dependency


make[6]: Entering directory =
`/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/pkgconfig'


[=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D NOW BUILDING:    =
pkgconfig-0.12.0        =
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D]


         =
[fetch] complete for pkgconfig.


         =
[checksum] complete for pkgconfig.


         =
[extract] complete for pkgconfig.


         =
[patch] complete for pkgconfig.


  =3D=3D> Running configure in =
work/pkgconfig-0.12.0


configure: warning: /bin: invalid host type


configure: warning: /sbin: invalid host type


configure: error: can only configure for one host and =
one target at a time


make[6]: *** =
[configure-work/pkgconfig-0.12.0/configure] Error 1


make[6]: Leaving directory =
`/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/pkgconfig'


make[5]: *** [dep-../../gnome/pkgconfig] Error =
2


make[5]: Leaving directory =
`/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/glib'


make[4]: *** [dep-../../gnome/glib] Error 2


make[4]: Leaving directory =
`/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/atk'


make[3]: *** [dep-../../gnome/atk] Error 2


make[3]: Leaving directory =
`/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/gtk+'


make[2]: *** [dep-../../gnome/gtk+] Error 2


make[2]: Leaving directory 


`/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/misc/redhat-artwork'


make[1]: *** [install] Error 2


make[1]: Leaving directory =
`/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/misc'


make: *** [install] Error 2


[root@l-at6122 garnome-0.15.0]#




  Help !




        Fabrice


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Hi

While building 0.15, I noticed that it was building freetype 2.1.2 even
though freetype 2.1.2 was already installed (albiet in /usr prefix - and
Garnome previx is /opt/gnome2). Is it possible to make Garnome use the
system freetype if available ?

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while on the topic of panels... how come the panel that starts at the top
of gnome2 by default can't have its properties changed?  and if I delete
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> while on the topic of panels... how come the panel that starts at the top
> of gnome2 by default can't have its properties changed?

That's the menu panel - it has no properties.

> and if I delete it, it's pretty impossible to recreate.

If you delete it, you must have another panel running (or you're no longer
running gnome-panel at all, because you can't delete the last panel within
the user interface). Right click on the panel > New Panel > Menu Panel.

Done.

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Hi Vichaya

Thanks for your help.I checked with Redhat but couldn't find the
required package to run Garnome on Redhat 7.3.

Do you know where I can find them??

Regards

Clenio


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> Hi Clenio,
>=20
> You should read the README file to make sure that you have all the requir=
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> > yelp-window.c: In function `window_populate':
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> > yelp-window.c:265: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
> > yelp-window.c:265: for each function it appears in.)
> > make[4]: *** [yelp-window.o] Error 1
> > make[4]: Leaving directory
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> > `/tmp/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/yelp/work/yelp-1.0.6'
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> > make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/yelp'
> > make: *** [dep-../../gnome/yelp] Error 2
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> Thanks for your help.I checked with Redhat but couldn't find the
> required package to run Garnome on Redhat 7.3.
> 
> Do you know where I can find them??

The GNOME 2.0 Desktop release notes:

  http://www.gnome.org/start/2.0/

- Jeff

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Been wondering whats up with this domain for a while now. I'm pretty 
sure it's been down for over a month at least. Can't seem to find 
gtk-cleanice anywhere else either.......If anyone has the cleanice 
package, I'll post it up! Not a big deal, just wanted to see if anyone 
knew the scoop.

Jeff - I noticed gnomeicu slipped in recently, are you just tossing in 
packages that work good, or do you have some criteria they have to meet? 
Balsa, gFTP, Gnomemeeting are some apps that come to mind that would be 
great addition to the mix.


Ryan Quarry


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> Been wondering whats up with this domain for a while now. I'm pretty sure
> it's been down for over a month at least. Can't seem to find gtk-cleanice
> anywhere else either.......If anyone has the cleanice package, I'll post
> it up! Not a big deal, just wanted to see if anyone knew the scoop.

Oh. See, I use a GARCHIVE, which means I sometimes don't find out about
download issues... I'll have to ask dobey what he's doing with cleanice.

> Jeff - I noticed gnomeicu slipped in recently, are you just tossing in
> packages that work good, or do you have some criteria they have to meet?
> Balsa, gFTP, Gnomemeeting are some apps that come to mind that would be
> great addition to the mix.

Balsa hasn't been added yet because the current tarball release doesn't
build / work reliably enough for me to put it in yet (libesmtp is in the
misc directory however, so it's ready to go when Balsa is), gFTP isn't in
because I hadn't thought of it yet, thanks for the suggestion! :)
GnomeMeeting isn't in yet because it has annoyingly hard to build
dependencies, and because they're 'weird', I'd like to distribute them with
GARNOME to make life easy for everyone.

- Jeff

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I plan on uninstalling both Ximian Gnome 1.4 and garnome, I'll then use =
the Suse RPMs, I get the feeling they have been more tightly integrated =
into the Suse environment.  My question is how do I uninstall the Ximian =
version of Gnome.  I'm guessing all that is required to remove garnome =
is to delete $HOME/garnome?

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Hello Garnome,
I've just installed Garnome/Gnome2. I did this as root and it has install=
ed to=20
"file/root/garnome". I'm wondering if this is correct or will gnome2 only=
 run=20
as root?
If it's wrong can it be fixed? anndd.......
If it's correct - how do I get it working on my Mandrake 8.2 system?
Many Thanks
Richard

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Due to the permissions of /root/, only root will be able to run gnome2,
it's probably a better idea to build it as another user.

Alex

On Sat, 2002-09-14 at 20:24, Richard Bond wrote:
> Hello Garnome,
> I've just installed Garnome/Gnome2. I did this as root and it has installed to 
> "file/root/garnome". I'm wondering if this is correct or will gnome2 only run 
> as root?
> If it's wrong can it be fixed? anndd.......
> If it's correct - how do I get it working on my Mandrake 8.2 system?
> Many Thanks
> Richard
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you can chmod o+rx /root, that should solve your problems... you basically
just need to make sure everyone has read access to the files (as far as I
know).

if you want GNOME2 to be available to all users and you don't want it in
/root, you're probably better off putting in in /opt/garnome or
/usr/local/garnome rather than just a different user's home directory.

Sean

On 14 Sep 2002, Alex Duggan wrote:

> Due to the permissions of /root/, only root will be able to run gnome2,
> it's probably a better idea to build it as another user.
>
> Alex
>
> On Sat, 2002-09-14 at 20:24, Richard Bond wrote:
> > Hello Garnome,
> > I've just installed Garnome/Gnome2. I did this as root and it has installed to
> > "file/root/garnome". I'm wondering if this is correct or will gnome2 only run
> > as root?
> > If it's wrong can it be fixed? anndd.......
> > If it's correct - how do I get it working on my Mandrake 8.2 system?
> > Many Thanks
> > Richard
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> My question is how do I uninstall the Ximian version of Gnome.

Remove the packages, not really on-topic for this list.

> I'm guessing all that is required to remove garnome is to delete
> $HOME/garnome?

Yes.

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GARNOME 0.16.0: "Hot Morning Furnace"
=====================================

GARNOME - the bad-ass, bleeding edge GNOME distribution for testers and
tweakers everywhere. If you're dying to test the latest GNOME 2.0 Desktop
releases, but don't want to fall into the depraved addictions and
co-dependencies of testing from anonymous CVS, then GARNOME is for you.

[ In other words, GARNOME is a build system for GNOME 2.x which includes the
developer platform and desktop releases, as well as a host of other software
ported to the GNOME 2.x platform. Everything is as easy to build as 'make
install'. We call it a 'distribution' because it's sanity-tested and often
patched before release, for your convenience and enjoyment. ;-) ]


What's New?
-----------

  * Updated to GNOME 2.0.2.
  
  * Added: koffice - the KDE office suite, mergeant - what used to be
    gnome-db.
  
  * Fixed: Mess in category files.
  
  * Fixed: gimp-print's CUPS stuff was attempting to install out of prefix.
    Fixed the hard way.
  
  * Fixed: quick-lounge-applets uncommented. ;-)
  
  * Fixed: Disabled -Werror -Wall on rhythmbox and gst-plugins, thanks to
    ajmitch.
 

Where Do I Get It?
------------------

The tarball and documentation [1] are available on the GARNOME website:

  http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/garnome/


Enjoy G2D and GARNOME. :-)

- Jeff

[1] People who don't read the documentation tend to look pretty silly on
garnome-list and in #garnome.

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Hi,

I ran:

# apt-get install gnome2 -t experimental

And got:

Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.

Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
that package should be filed.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies:
  gnome2: Depends: gnome-control-center2 but it is not going to be
  installed
          Depends: gnome-applets2 but it is not going to be installed
          Depends: gnome-panel2 but it is not going to be
	          installed
          Depends: nautilus2 but it is not going
		  to be installed

E: Sorry, broken packages

Anything I can do to get over this?

TIA.


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My experience is the same - for instance bonobo-config:
dunadan:/home/kerka# apt-cache show bonobo-config
Package: bonobo-config
Priority: optional
Section: devel
Installed-Size: 284
Maintainer: Takuo KITAME 
Architecture: i386
Version: 0.106.0-6
Depends: libbonobo-activation4 (>= 0.9.5), libbonobo-config0 (>=
0.106.0), libbonobo2-0 (>= 1.112.0), libc6 (>= 2.2.4-4), libglib1.3-15
(>= 1.3.15), liblinc1 (>= 0.1.18), liborbit2 (>= 2.3.105), libpopt0 (>=
1.6.2-1), libxml2 (>= 2.4.0-1), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.3)
Filename: pool/main/b/bonobo-config/bonobo-config_0.106.0-6_i386.deb
Size: 33276
MD5sum: 241413e41cf148d8ee6a17a5bd2f4fcc
Description: The Bonobo Configuration System for GNOME2
 The Bonobo Configuration System (BCS) consists of several parts. An API
to
 access configuration data, a database to store configuration values in
XML
 format and a system to visualise and edit configuration data.
 The whole system is built on top of bonobo and ORBit (CORBA)

dunadan:/home/kerka# apt-get -u -t experimental install bonobo-config
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.

Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
that package should be filed.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies:
  bonobo-config: Depends: libglib1.3-15 (>= 1.3.15) but it is not
installable
E: Sorry, broken packages

My two questions:
1. where can I find missing packages?
2. is anywhere list of all needed packages?

I have gnome-control-center2 installed:
dunadan:/home/kerka# dpkg -l gnome-control-center*
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
|
Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err:
uppercase=bad)
||/ Name           Version        Description
+++-==============-==============-============================================
pn  gnome-control-          (no description available)
un  gnome-control-          (no description available)
ii  gnome-control- 2.0.1.1-1      The GNOME Control Center for GNOME 2
.
BUT when I run gnome 2 I can't find it in menu, but i can run it from
terminal. I must have something missing ...
Thanks for zour help, folks ...
Vlada


On Sun, 2002-09-15 at 20:13, the jackol wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I ran:
> 
> # apt-get install gnome2 -t experimental
> 
> And got:
> 
> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
> or been moved out of Incoming.
> 
> Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
> the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
> that package should be filed.
> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
> 
> Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies:
>   gnome2: Depends: gnome-control-center2 but it is not going to be
>   installed
>           Depends: gnome-applets2 but it is not going to be installed
>           Depends: gnome-panel2 but it is not going to be
> 	          installed
>           Depends: nautilus2 but it is not going
> 		  to be installed
> 
> E: Sorry, broken packages
> 
> Anything I can do to get over this?
> 
> TIA.
> 
> 
> -- 
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> but that's because it's the best book on anything for the layman.
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> I ran:
> 
> # apt-get install gnome2 -t experimental
> 
> And got:

Dude. This is garnome-list@gnome.org. Not debian-gtk-gnome@lists.debian.org.

Kapish?

Thanks,

- Jeff

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It's nice of you that you tried so hard to help and not to give
"emperor's advices" ...
Vlada
On Sun, 2002-09-15 at 21:04, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> 
> > I ran:
> > 
> > # apt-get install gnome2 -t experimental
> > 
> > And got:
> 
> Dude. This is garnome-list@gnome.org. Not debian-gtk-gnome@lists.debian.org.
> 
> Kapish?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> - Jeff
> 
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> It's nice of you that you tried so hard to help and not to give
> "emperor's advices" ...

It's off topic for this list. I happen to use Debian myself, but most
GARNOME users don't, so they're not interested in questions that are
completely unrelated to it.

Thanks,

- Jeff

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                      far as films go." - Cody Russell                      

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>From what I understand, Jeff did try to help.  He pointed to a list that
has some relevence to the problem this person was having.  I'm sure people
at that list could help much more than anyone here.  I've found most of
Jeff's criticisms of people rather witty and not particularly harsh.
Anyway, keep up the great work!

Sean

PS was BUILD_CLEAN fixed in 0.16.0?  Has anyone witnessed it being broken
since the merge with upstream GAR?

On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, Jeff Waugh wrote:

> 
>
> > It's nice of you that you tried so hard to help and not to give
> > "emperor's advices" ...
>
> It's off topic for this list. I happen to use Debian myself, but most
> GARNOME users don't, so they're not interested in questions that are
> completely unrelated to it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> - Jeff
>
> --
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>                       far as films go." - Cody Russell
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Hi. I currently have garnome 0.14.1 installed. I want to install garnome
0.16.1. I'm wondering if there is a way to make it just download and
compile the things that have changed, rather than the whole thing again. I
have a P166 so you can imagine how long it would take!

Thanks.

- Jason


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Dear Jeff,

Thanks for this new release.

It compiled in about 3 hours on a Athlon 1200 with 768MB of memory, I'll 
try to send you some detailed information on the next compile.

I'm using the athlon optimizations for GCC 3.2. After compilation I've 
got 407MB of software. It might be time to update the webpage slightly 
as we are now 180MB above the 225MB advertised there. I'm still enjoying 
this great gnome development even after the 10th recompile sinceI've 
started using garnome just to keep up with the various releases and 
improvements you've made to this package :-)

Thanks and keep e'm coming

Stef

Jeff Waugh wrote:

>GARNOME 0.16.0: "Hot Morning Furnace"
>=====================================
>
>GARNOME - the bad-ass, bleeding edge GNOME distribution for testers and
>tweakers everywhere. If you're dying to test the latest GNOME 2.0 Desktop
>releases, but don't want to fall into the depraved addictions and
>co-dependencies of testing from anonymous CVS, then GARNOME is for you.
>
>[ In other words, GARNOME is a build system for GNOME 2.x which includes the
>developer platform and desktop releases, as well as a host of other software
>ported to the GNOME 2.x platform. Everything is as easy to build as 'make
>install'. We call it a 'distribution' because it's sanity-tested and often
>patched before release, for your convenience and enjoyment. ;-) ]
>
>
>What's New?
>-----------
>
>  * Updated to GNOME 2.0.2.
>  
>  * Added: koffice - the KDE office suite, mergeant - what used to be
>    gnome-db.
>  
>  * Fixed: Mess in category files.
>  
>  * Fixed: gimp-print's CUPS stuff was attempting to install out of prefix.
>    Fixed the hard way.
>  
>  * Fixed: quick-lounge-applets uncommented. ;-)
>  
>  * Fixed: Disabled -Werror -Wall on rhythmbox and gst-plugins, thanks to
>    ajmitch.
> 
>
>Where Do I Get It?
>------------------
>
>The tarball and documentation [1] are available on the GARNOME website:
>
>  http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/garnome/
>
>
>Enjoy G2D and GARNOME. :-)
>
>- Jeff
>
>[1] People who don't read the documentation tend to look pretty silly on
>garnome-list and in #garnome.
>
>  
>




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While compiling the fifth-toe applicatons, the cups stuff tried to remove some
files in /usr/lib/cups which obviously failed.

I'm using RH7.3 on an Athlon, and I haven't installed since the 0.13.1 days (I
feel so far behind!).  Anyway, to get past it, I had to su to root, do the
install, and then cancel when the next one started.  At which point I was able
to finish the "make install" in the fifth-toe directory.

Here's the stuff it whined about:

Making install in cups
make[6]: Entering directory
`/usr/local/src/garnome-0.16.1/gnome/gimp-print/work/gimp-print-4.2.2-rc2/src/cups'
make[7]: Entering directory
`/usr/local/src/garnome-0.16.1/gnome/gimp-print/work/gimp-print-4.2.2-rc2/src/cups'
/bin/sh ../../scripts/mkinstalldirs /home/yorgasor/garnome/bin
 /bin/sh ../../libtool  --mode=install /usr/bin/install -c  cups-calibrate
/home/yorgasor/garnome/bin/cups-calibrate
/usr/bin/install -c cups-calibrate /home/yorgasor/garnome/bin/cups-calibrate
/bin/sh ../../scripts/mkinstalldirs /usr/lib/cups/backend
 /bin/sh ../../libtool  --mode=install /usr/bin/install -c  epson
/usr/lib/cups/backend/epson
/usr/bin/install -c epson /usr/lib/cups/backend/epson
/usr/bin/install: cannot remove `/usr/lib/cups/backend/epson': Permission
denied
 /bin/sh ../../libtool  --mode=install /usr/bin/install -c  canon
/usr/lib/cups/backend/canon
/usr/bin/install -c canon /usr/lib/cups/backend/canon
/usr/bin/install: cannot remove `/usr/lib/cups/backend/canon': Permission
denied
make[7]: *** [install-cupsexec_backendPROGRAMS] Error 1
make[7]: Leaving directory
`/usr/local/src/garnome-0.16.1/gnome/gimp-print/work/gimp-print-4.2.2-rc2/src/cups'
make[6]: *** [install-am] Error 2
make[6]: Leaving directory
`/usr/local/src/garnome-0.16.1/gnome/gimp-print/work/gimp-print-4.2.2-rc2/src/cups'
make[5]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
make[5]: Leaving directory
`/usr/local/src/garnome-0.16.1/gnome/gimp-print/work/gimp-print-4.2.2-rc2/src'
make[4]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
make[4]: Leaving directory
`/usr/local/src/garnome-0.16.1/gnome/gimp-print/work/gimp-print-4.2.2-rc2'
make[3]: *** [install-work/gimp-print-4.2.2-rc2/Makefile] Error 2
make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/garnome-0.16.1/gnome/gimp-print'
make[2]: *** [dep-../../gnome/gimp-print] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/garnome-0.16.1/gnome/gimp'
make[1]: *** [dep-../../gnome/gimp] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/garnome-0.16.1/gnome/gimp-freetype'
make: *** [dep-../../gnome/gimp-freetype] Error 2


/*============================================================================
 * Ron Yorgason, DORK
 * Doctor Of Random Knowledge
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> From what I understand, Jeff did try to help.  He pointed to a list that
> has some relevence to the problem this person was having.  I'm sure people
> at that list could help much more than anyone here.  I've found most of
> Jeff's criticisms of people rather witty and not particularly harsh.

Heh, yes, they're generally meant to be taken lightly. Except for the LFS
jokes. They're usually deadly serious, like a clown holding a nuclear
physicist to your head.

> PS was BUILD_CLEAN fixed in 0.16.0?  Has anyone witnessed it being broken
> since the merge with upstream GAR?

Setting it to anything should make it work...

- Jeff

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> While compiling the fifth-toe applicatons, the cups stuff tried to remove some
> files in /usr/lib/cups which obviously failed.

It's trying to install stuff, rather than remove stuff. This is very
annoying, I was sure I'd fixed this for this release... Will try to work it
out with the gimp-print dudes some time.

Thanks,

- Jeff

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> Hi. I currently have garnome 0.14.1 installed. I want to install garnome
> 0.16.1. I'm wondering if there is a way to make it just download and
> compile the things that have changed, rather than the whole thing again. I
> have a P166 so you can imagine how long it would take!

Not right now, though you can use a cache of the stuff you've downloaded ->
see the GARCHIVE variable in gar.conf.mk.

I'm going to work on minimal-compile upgrade stuff soon.

- Jeff

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On Mon, 2002-09-16 at 05:04, Jeff Waugh wrote:

> It's trying to install stuff, rather than remove stuff. This is very
> annoying, I was sure I'd fixed this for this release... Will try to work it
> out with the gimp-print dudes some time.

the gimp-print/Makefile for 0.16.1 did not contain the configure switch.
And if I didn't make a stupid mistake, for me only --with-cups=no works,
not --without-cups as was set in 0.15.1



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> On Mon, 2002-09-16 at 05:04, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> > It's trying to install stuff, rather than remove stuff. This is very
> > annoying, I was sure I'd fixed this for this release... Will try to work it
> > out with the gimp-print dudes some time.
> 
> the gimp-print/Makefile for 0.16.1 did not contain the configure switch.
> And if I didn't make a stupid mistake, for me only --with-cups=no works,
> not --without-cups as was set in 0.15.1

Yeeeesh. :-)

Thanks, I'll put that in.

- Jeff

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> Hi. I currently have garnome 0.14.1 installed. I want to install garnome
> 0.16.1. I'm wondering if there is a way to make it just download and
> compile the things that have changed, rather than the whole thing again. =
I
> have a P166 so you can imagine how long it would take!

Since 0.12 I have been updating the tree. So not recompiling each new
version. I just diff-ed over the Makefiles to see what changed.
Than I edited each Makefile by hand and recompiled. So far I have had
little trouble.
I did start recompiling 0.16, to get a clean install-tree. I probably
have a few libraries of different version installed and so on.
Also menu-editing didn't work for me anymore, after the recompile with
0.16 this worked again. And this is probably also because the dynamic
linker used some older version.
But since  all newer releases are ABI/API-compatible, there have been no
stability problems.


Here my one-liner for the diff:

for dir in `ls garnome-0.12.1/gnome/`;do diff -u
garnome-0.12.1/gnome/$dir/Makefile garnome-0.16.0/gnome/$dir/Makefile >>
garnome-new.diff;done


Have fun,

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> Since 0.12 I have been updating the tree. So not recompiling each new
> version. I just diff-ed over the Makefiles to see what changed.  Than I
> edited each Makefile by hand and recompiled. So far I have had little
> trouble.

That's essentially what I'm going to do with the new update system, it will
run diffs, check which files are changed, and keep going.

The only issue is binary files in the tree, which I've tried to minimise. I
think there's only the one bzipped patch at the moment. Everything else is
downloaded. I'm going to unbzip that patch and possibly bzip the main
archive... Hmm.

Anyway, yes, coming soon to a GARNOME near you.

- Jeff

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Hi all,

Something I've been thinking out during the last releases: is it
important to install a new GARNOME release to a new directory? I used to
install one release to the default path and the next one to
~/Software/garnome. Added benefit is of course that you always have a
working version :-).

Now, this is no problem on my home computer, but at university I'm
running low on disk space, and I started installing to the default path
all the time. Is this okay, or should I delete the old release first?

Thanks,

Martijn

PS On the off-topic thread on Debian experimental - I wonder how many
people moved to GARNOME for the very reason that GNOME 2 is a mess in
Debian unstable at the moment ... I know I did!




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> Something I've been thinking out during the last releases: is it important
> to install a new GARNOME release to a new directory? I used to install one
> release to the default path and the next one to ~/Software/garnome. Added
> benefit is of course that you always have a working version :-).
> 
> Now, this is no problem on my home computer, but at university I'm running
> low on disk space, and I started installing to the default path all the
> time. Is this okay, or should I delete the old release first?

Well, I generally do it for testing reasons, but I'd recommend it for
cleanliness reasons too. :-)

> PS On the off-topic thread on Debian experimental - I wonder how many
> people moved to GARNOME for the very reason that GNOME 2 is a mess in
> Debian unstable at the moment ... I know I did!

Yeah, lots of people have mentioned this. I've been helping the Debian
people with their attempts to move to GNOME 2, but it's a bit of a mess.
Mostly just communication and organisation though.

It should be mentioned however, that GARNOME is not here for that reason,
it's designed for GNOME testers first and foremost.

- Jeff

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in 16.1, meta/gnome-office won't build unless you change the Makefile
to look for gnome/mergeant instead of gnome/gnome-db.  Just thought
you should know.

-eric

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> in 16.1, meta/gnome-office won't build unless you change the Makefile
> to look for gnome/mergeant instead of gnome/gnome-db.  Just thought
> you should know.

See 0.16.2. :-)

Thanks,

- Jeff

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In Garnome 0.16.2, I have been trying to find how I would pre-fetch the 
packages needed for the compile, without having to run the compile at 
the same time.  I tried the obvious ones (ones I could see in the 
makefiles) of fetch, pre-fetch, etc.  The most that happened was that 
"make fetch" created an empty "download" directory under meta/gnome-desktop.


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Excuse my ignorance if this is a stupid question, but I'm unable to set 
the background picture or change the default colours.  Is Gnome2 
dependant on Nautilus to deal with these options or am I missing 
something?  Thanks in advance!


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> In Garnome 0.16.2, I have been trying to find how I would pre-fetch the
> packages needed for the compile, without having to run the compile at the
> same time.  I tried the obvious ones (ones I could see in the makefiles)
> of fetch, pre-fetch, etc.  The most that happened was that "make fetch"
> created an empty "download" directory under meta/gnome-desktop.

make fetch in meta/gnome-desktop will only make fetch for that garball,
so... You need to make fetch in the root build directory.

However, I strongly recommend that you 'make paranoid-checksum', as this
will stop and tell you if the files are incorrectly downloaded.

- Jeff

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Will it make uninstall older packages, too, so that there aren't any unnecessary
legacy files lying around?

Jeff Waugh had the audacity to claim:

>> Since 0.12 I have been updating the tree. So not recompiling each new
>> version. I just diff-ed over the Makefiles to see what changed.  Than I
>> edited each Makefile by hand and recompiled. So far I have had little
>> trouble.
>
>That's essentially what I'm going to do with the new update system, it will
>run diffs, check which files are changed, and keep going.

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> >That's essentially what I'm going to do with the new update system, it
> >will run diffs, check which files are changed, and keep going.
> 
> Will it make uninstall older packages, too, so that there aren't any
> unnecessary legacy files lying around?

Given that we can *almost* rely on make uninstall working for auto* GNOME
stuff, yes. We can also do it for manifest installs, but we don't have
anything using that feature in GARNOME.

The only issue with make uninstall is that you need the sources present to
do it, which a lot of people don't want to keep lying around.

Testers should, though, so that's fine. :-)

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begin  Jeff Waugh  quotation:
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> present to do it, which a lot of people don't want to keep lying
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	Well, it's possible to generate a temporary dir and store the
filelist from an install.  Try a "make tarball" and look in tmp.  The
stuff in there should be enough to make a list for an uninstall rule.

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> begin  Jeff Waugh  quotation:
> > The only issue with make uninstall is that you need the sources
> > present to do it, which a lot of people don't want to keep lying
> > around.
> 
> 	Well, it's possible to generate a temporary dir and store the
> filelist from an install.  Try a "make tarball" and look in tmp.  The
> stuff in there should be enough to make a list for an uninstall rule.

Yeah, was just looking through GAR and considering doing that... Bit
complicated compared to what I'm doing now, but doable.

Thanks,

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begin  Jeff Waugh  quotation:
> Yeah, was just looking through GAR and considering doing that... Bit
> complicated compared to what I'm doing now, but doable.

You could also just keep the Makefiles around from the source and
little else...

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		Hello,
	Here is the question I send to the balsa mailing list and the 
answer.
	But freetype and pango are both from garnome, no ? and pango is 
built with freetype 2.1.2.
	So, where is the problem ??

		nemo.
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On Mon, 2002-09-16 at 10:22, Olivier Guéry wrote:
>               Hello,
>          Trying to compile balsa 2.0.2 and cvs snapshots, always return 
> me the same error :
> 
> /home/nemo/garnome/lib/libpangoxft-1.0.so: undefined reference to 
> `FT_Stream_GetShort'
> /home/nemo/garnome/lib/libpangoxft-1.0.so: undefined reference to 
> `FT_Stream_ExitFrame'
> /home/nemo/garnome/lib/libpangoxft-1.0.so: undefined reference to 
> `FT_Stream_GetLong'
> /home/nemo/garnome/lib/libpangoxft-1.0.so: undefined reference to 
> `FT_Stream_Seek'
> /home/nemo/garnome/lib/libpangoxft-1.0.so: undefined reference to 
> `FT_Stream_EnterFrame'
> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
> make[2]: *** [balsa] Erreur 1
> make[2]: Quitte le répertoire `/sources/balsa-2.0.2/src'
> make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Erreur 1
> make[1]: Quitte le répertoire `/sources/balsa-2.0.2'
> make: *** [all] Erreur 2
> 
>          I'm using gnome 2 with garnome 0.16.1, pango 1.0.4 and 
> freetype is 2.1.2
> 
>          Is it a known bug or may I change something ?
Hi,

This pango binary is probably linked against freetype 2.0.x.
Upgrade/recompile pango with freetype 2.1.2 and should work.
Or downgrade freetype to 2.0.x.
If you will try to compile any gtk2.xx program (from examples) you will
get the same error. This is not balsa problem.

Regards,

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> 	But freetype and pango are both from garnome, no ? and pango is 
> built with freetype 2.1.2.
> 	So, where is the problem ??

It's linking to your system freetype, not the one in GARNOME.

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Le 2002.09.16 07:38, Mario Vukelic a écrit :
> On Mon, 2002-09-16 at 05:04, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> > It's trying to install stuff, rather than remove stuff. This is very
> > annoying, I was sure I'd fixed this for this release... Will try to
> work it
> > out with the gimp-print dudes some time.
> 
> the gimp-print/Makefile for 0.16.1 did not contain the configure
> switch.
> And if I didn't make a stupid mistake, for me only --with-cups=no
> works,
> not --without-cups as was set in 0.15.1

		Hello,
	Here is the newbie quetsion : Where should I set this option ?

		nemo.

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Hi ppl,

A while ago I promised to make a garball for fontconfig. I did some
feeble attempt for it, but I really didn't want to screw up my gnome2
for it. I was badly needing it to get some work done.

But this weekend I started compiling Garnome 0.16 from scratch, normally
I just look at the diff. And yesterday-evening I compiled fontconfig for
this fresh and thus still warm installation of gnome 2.0.2.
I kept some notes on my progress and steps I made, so I could share it
with you guys.

Well... here it is:

First of all I installed gnome2 in /opt/garnome, so please change any
references to this directory for your installation-directory of gnome.

The first step I took was installing the latest freetype in the
garnome-tree and compile it. I attached a garball for this purpose

	- unpack free-garball in garnome-tree
	- cd gnome/freetype
        - make install
	- cd ../pango
	- make clean
	- make install

So far no fontconfig stuff, the pango recompile isn't even needed. But
it does confirm you have freetype running properly. You should also make
sure pango uses the correct freetype libraries. You can do this with
'ldd', but you do need to set 'LD_LIBRARY_PATH' correctly before
checking.
At this point you could be happy with the newest freetype. The following
steps probably also work with the freetype already installed in your
system, which is most likely to be 2.0.9.

First you will need to grab the fontconfig-package from the website
(www.fontconfig.org). It talks about a 2.0 download somewhere.
Unpack it somewhere, e.g. under /usr/src

	- cd /usr/src/fcpackage.2_0/fontconfig/
	- ./configure --prefix=/opt/garnome
--with-confdir=/opt/garnome/etc/fonts
--with-freetype-includes=/opt/garnome/include/freetype2/
--with-freetype-lib=/opt/garnome/lib/
--with-freetype-config=/opt/garnome/bin/freetype-config
	(all on one line)
	- make sure it found expat.h and freetype.h
	- make && make install
	- cd ../Xft
	- apply the following patch to the 'configure.in' file, to change the
order in which libraries are found
----- START PATCH (don't include this line) ------
--- configure.in.orig	Tue Sep 17 08:02:37 2002
+++ configure.in	Mon Sep 16 21:56:35 2002
@@ -178,9 +178,9 @@
 esac
 
 saved_LIBS="$LIBS"
-LIBS="$LIBS $FREETYPE_LIBS"
+LIBS="$FREETYPE_LIBS $LIBS"
 saved_CPPFLAGS="$CPPFLAGS"
-CPPFLAGS="$CPPFLAGS $FREETYPE_CFLAGS"
+CPPFLAGS="$FREETYPE_CFLAGS $CPPFLAGS"
 AC_CHECK_HEADERS(freetype/freetype.h)
 
 case "$ac_cv_header_freetype_freetype_h" in
----- END PATCH (don't include this line) -----

	- ./configure --prefix=/opt/garnome
--with-fontconfig-config=/opt/garnome/bin/fontconfig-config
--with-fontconfig-lib=/opt/garnome/lib/
--with-fontconfig-includes=/opt/garnome/include/
--with-freetype-includes=/opt/garnome/include/freetype2
--with-freetype-lib=/opt/garnome/lib/
--with-freetype-config=/opt/garnome/bin/freetype-config
	- make && make install

So far everything is installed into the same directory as gnome2 is
installed. The following package however is installed in the
X11-directory on your system. This shouldn't cause any problems, but I
needed to mention this.

	- cd ../Xrender
	- xmkmf -a
	- make && make install

Now we are almost ready. Only pango doesn't know about fontconfig yet.
The version installed with garnome doesn't support fontconfig. But the
attached Makefile for your garnome-pango directory downloads a beta of
pango with support for fontconfig. I also attached the checksums file.

	- cp Makefile /usr/src/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/pango
	- cp checksum /usr/src/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/pango
	- cd /usr/src/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/pango
	- make install

Now only gtk needs to be recompiled, it already has support for
fontconfig, so no new version is needed.

	- cd ../gtk+
	- make clean
	- make install

Alright... now you should have a spiffy gnome2 using fontconfig. I
suggest to reboot or otherwise make sure all gnome2 libraries are
unloaded. I normally do this by going into runlevel 3 (telinit 3),
killing any processes still runnning. And then going back to runlevel 5
(telinit 5).
This is enough for me, since I use gdm2. When you use gdm2, and click on
the 'language'-button you might be able to see chinese/japanese or
whatever correctly rendered. At least I see them. And if you don't you
either haven't got the right fonts installed or fontconfig didn't find
them.
You can add more font-directories in /opt/garnom/etc/fonts/fonts.conf. I
attached my version of the file. But this probably has a few
directories, that actually shouldn't be included.

If you have any problems with the above walk-through just let me know.

Have fun,

-A.



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	/usr/share/fonts
	/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts
	/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1
	/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF
	/usr/share/fonts/default/Type1
	/usr/share/fonts/ttf/armenian
	/usr/share/fonts/ttf/big5
	/usr/share/fonts/ttf/decoratives
	/usr/share/fonts/ttf/gb2312
	/usr/share/fonts/ttf/japanese
	/usr/share/fonts/ttf/korean
	/usr/share/fonts/ttf/monotype
	/usr/share/fonts/ttf/thai
	/usr/share/fonts/ttf/western
	/usr/share/fonts/ttf/intlfonts
	/usr/share/fonts/ttf/other
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/baltic
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/default
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/elmar
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/arabic24
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/cu
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/other
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/indic
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/Asian
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/Chinese
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/Chinese.BIG
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/Chinese.X
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/Ethiopic
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/European
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/European.BIG
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/Japanese
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/Japanese.BIG
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/Japanese.X
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/Korean.X
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/Misc
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/Type1
	/usr/local/j2re1.4/lib/fonts
	/usr/share/yudit/fonts
	/usr/lib/mures/images
	/usr/share/eel/fonts/urw
	

					 =20

	
		
			mono
		
		
			monospace
		
	


	
		
			sans
		
		
			sans-serif
		
	




	
		Times
		Times New Roman
		Nimbus Roman No9 L
		Luxi Serif
		Kochi Mincho
		AR PL SungtiL GB
		AR PL Mingti2L Big5
		Baekmuk Batang		=09
		serif
	

	
		Helvetica
		Arial
		Verdana
		Nimbus Sans L
		Luxi Sans
		Kochi Gothic
		AR PL KaitiM GB
		AR PL KaitiM Big5
		Baekmuk Dotum
		SimSun
		sans-serif
	

 	
		Courier
		Courier New
		Andale Mono
		Luxi Mono
		Nimbus Mono L
		NSimSun
		monospace
	

	
		
			sans-serif
		
		
			serif
		
		
			monospace
		
		
			sans-serif
		
	
=09

	~/.fonts.conf


	
		Times
		Times New Roman
	
	
		Helvetica
		Verdana
	
	
		Arial
		Verdana
	
	
		Courier
		Courier New
	


	
		serif
		
			Times New Roman
			Nimbus Roman No9 L
			Luxi Serif
			Times
			Kochi Mincho
			AR PL SungtiL GB
			AR PL Mingti2L Big5
			Baekmuk Batang		=09
		
	
	
		sans-serif
		
			Verdana
			Nimbus Sans L
			Luxi Sans
			Arial
			Helvetica
			Kochi Gothic
			AR PL KaitiM GB
			AR PL KaitiM Big5
			Baekmuk Dotum
			SimSun
		
	
	
		monospace
		
			Andale Mono
			Courier New
			Luxi Mono
			Nimbus Mono L
			Kochi Gothic
			AR PL KaitiM GB
			Baekmuk Dotum
		
	


=20
	
		
		
			roman
		
		
		
			roman
		
		
		
			
				matrix
				1.2
					01
				
			
		
		
		
			oblique
		
	


	
		rgb
	

	

		
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			0xa0		
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			0x2001
			0x2002
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			0x2004
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			0x2005
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			30
		
	



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Okay, tried again with 0.16.2.  I don't have enough space to build GARNOME
w/o BUILD_CLEAN.  I have BUILD_CLEAN = true in the config... and my
garnome-0.16.2 directory is taking up ~1.1GB, and stopped because my HDD
is full.  If you can make BUILD_CLEAN do what it used to, awesome,
otherwise I'll just stick with the old version, or maybe try the debian
packages (are they any good?)

Thanks,
Sean


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begin  Sean Proctor  quotation:
> Okay, tried again with 0.16.2.  I don't have enough space to build
> GARNOME w/o BUILD_CLEAN.  I have BUILD_CLEAN = true in the config...
> and my garnome-0.16.2 directory is taking up ~1.1GB, and stopped
> because my HDD is full.  If you can make BUILD_CLEAN do what it used
> to, awesome, otherwise I'll just stick with the old version, or
> maybe try the debian packages (are they any good?)

	Well when I tried this, I must admit that I did it by setting
BUILD_CLEAN in my environment, like:

$ export BUILD_CLEAN="Goober"
$ make install

	And I saw buildclean get run.  Try that out first, and then
I'll try to figure out why it's not happening when set in gar.conf.mk
here.

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As time statistics I got these :


Stef van der Made wrote:

>
> Dear Jeff,
>
> Thanks for this new release.
>
> It compiled in about 3 hours on a Athlon 1200 with 768MB of memory, 
> I'll try to send you some detailed information on the next compile.
>
> I'm using the athlon optimizations for GCC 3.2. After compilation I've 
> got 407MB of software. It might be time to update the webpage slightly 
> as we are now 180MB above the 225MB advertised there. I'm still 
> enjoying this great gnome development even after the 10th recompile 
> sinceI've started using garnome just to keep up with the various 
> releases and improvements you've made to this package :-)
>
> Thanks and keep e'm coming
>
> Stef
>
> Jeff Waugh wrote:
>
>> GARNOME 0.16.0: "Hot Morning Furnace"
>> =====================================
>>
>> GARNOME - the bad-ass, bleeding edge GNOME distribution for testers and
>> tweakers everywhere. If you're dying to test the latest GNOME 2.0 
>> Desktop
>> releases, but don't want to fall into the depraved addictions and
>> co-dependencies of testing from anonymous CVS, then GARNOME is for you.
>>
>> [ In other words, GARNOME is a build system for GNOME 2.x which 
>> includes the
>> developer platform and desktop releases, as well as a host of other 
>> software
>> ported to the GNOME 2.x platform. Everything is as easy to build as 
>> 'make
>> install'. We call it a 'distribution' because it's sanity-tested and 
>> often
>> patched before release, for your convenience and enjoyment. ;-) ]
>>
>>
>> What's New?
>> -----------
>>
>>  * Updated to GNOME 2.0.2.
>>  
>>  * Added: koffice - the KDE office suite, mergeant - what used to be
>>    gnome-db.
>>  
>>  * Fixed: Mess in category files.
>>  
>>  * Fixed: gimp-print's CUPS stuff was attempting to install out of 
>> prefix.
>>    Fixed the hard way.
>>  
>>  * Fixed: quick-lounge-applets uncommented. ;-)
>>  
>>  * Fixed: Disabled -Werror -Wall on rhythmbox and gst-plugins, thanks to
>>    ajmitch.
>>
>>
>> Where Do I Get It?
>> ------------------
>>
>> The tarball and documentation [1] are available on the GARNOME website:
>>
>>  http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/garnome/
>>
>>
>> Enjoy G2D and GARNOME. :-)
>>
>> - Jeff
>>
>> [1] People who don't read the documentation tend to look pretty silly on
>> garnome-list and in #garnome.
>>
>>  
>>
>
>
>




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The compilation gave me back these statistics when using time :

real    240m28.323s
user    84m56.600s
sys     17m45.950s

Sorry for the previous message I found the shortcut key for sending a 
message by accident :-(

Cheers

stef

>>
>> Dear Jeff,
>>
>> Thanks for this new release.
>>
>> It compiled in about 3 hours on a Athlon 1200 with 768MB of memory, 
>> I'll try to send you some detailed information on the next compile.
>>
>> I'm using the athlon optimizations for GCC 3.2. After compilation 
>> I've got 407MB of software. It might be time to update the webpage 
>> slightly as we are now 180MB above the 225MB advertised there. I'm 
>> still enjoying this great gnome development even after the 10th 
>> recompile sinceI've started using garnome just to keep up with the 
>> various releases and improvements you've made to this package :-)
>>
>> Thanks and keep e'm coming
>>
>> Stef
>>



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bingo.  adding export before the BUILD_CLEAN seems to have worked
perfectly.  thanks a lot.  I'm in the process of building it, only 36MB so
far, and I noticed the work directories are being deleted.

Sean

On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Nick Moffitt wrote:

> begin  Sean Proctor  quotation:
> > Okay, tried again with 0.16.2.  I don't have enough space to build
> > GARNOME w/o BUILD_CLEAN.  I have BUILD_CLEAN = true in the config...
> > and my garnome-0.16.2 directory is taking up ~1.1GB, and stopped
> > because my HDD is full.  If you can make BUILD_CLEAN do what it used
> > to, awesome, otherwise I'll just stick with the old version, or
> > maybe try the debian packages (are they any good?)
>
> 	Well when I tried this, I must admit that I did it by setting
> BUILD_CLEAN in my environment, like:
>
> $ export BUILD_CLEAN="Goober"
> $ make install
>
> 	And I saw buildclean get run.  Try that out first, and then
> I'll try to figure out why it's not happening when set in gar.conf.mk
> here.
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begin  Sean Proctor  quotation:
> bingo.  adding export before the BUILD_CLEAN seems to have worked
> perfectly.  thanks a lot.  I'm in the process of building it, only
> 36MB so far, and I noticed the work directories are being deleted.

Aha!  Thanks for catching this one, and sorry we ate up your disk
space!

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begin  Jeff Waugh  quotation:
> make fetch in meta/gnome-desktop will only make fetch for that
> garball, so... You need to make fetch in the root build directory.
> 
> However, I strongly recommend that you 'make paranoid-checksum', as
> this will stop and tell you if the files are incorrectly downloaded.

	"make paranoid-garchive" will build a reusable cache of files
that will survive a "make clean", also stopping to tell you if files
are incorrectly downloaded.

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Attached is a sh-script which patches an existing garnome dir structure
to a new revision and downloads and compiles only files necessary for
the upgrade.
If you have a previous compiled version in ~garnome/garnome-0.15.0 untar
garnome-0.16.2 in ~garnome and run the script in ~garnome.
For example:
update-garnome garnome-0.15.0 garnome-0.16.2 desktop fifth-toe
//will patch garnome-0.15.0 to garnome-0.16.2 and build
garnome-0.15.0/meta/gnome-desktop and ... gnome-fifth-toe.

It is also possible to keep control and run every single step.
For example:

update-garnome garnome-0.15.0 garnome-0.16.2 newdiff 
//creates a new diff file and cp files from files dir creating a backup
file if the file exist

update-garnome garnome-0.15.0 garnome-0.16.2 patch 
//patches from existing diff file

update-garnome garnome-0.15.0 garnome-0.16.2 update 
//updates dir structure by rm cookies and work dirs, needs existing diff
file for files changed

update-garnome garnome-0.15.0 garnome-0.16.2 all-changed
//every thing from above plus runs make on every changed Makefile, use
with care since it's possible to link to old libs, there is no enforced
sequence 

update-garnome garnome-0.15.0 garnome-0.16.2 desktop
//first 3 [newdiff, patch, update] plus runs make in meta/gnome-desktop

The 4th - x  parameter(s) can be any meta dir or for that matter any
fully qualified dir with a Makefile in it.
Example:
update-garnome garnome-0.15.0 garnome-0.16.2 desktop fifth-toe kde
garnome-0.15.0/misc/redhat-artwork/

No 3rd parameter:
update-garnome garnome-0.15.0 garnome-0.16.2
//runs (newdiff, patch, update), so it's possible to run make as usual

Let me know if I missed something, most likely :-).

Hope this helps,
Ronald




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#!/bin/bash

#remove tailing / from pathname expansion
ORG=3D${1%/}
NEW=3D${2%/}

#make sure we have two parameters
USAGE=3D'ERROR usage: update-garnome orginal-garnome new-garname'
echo  "${ORG:?$USAGE} ${NEW:?$USAGE} " > /dev/null

RMDIRS=3D"cookies work"
BASE=3D$PWD
UPDATE=3Dupdate.appl
MAKEALL=3D"NO"

#create a patch file for changed files cp with backup all files from the fi=
les dir
function newdiff() {
echo "newdiff"
rm -f $NEW.diff
for FILE in `find $NEW -name "*.mk"`
do
diff -uN ${FILE/$NEW/$ORG} $FILE >> $NEW.diff
done
for FILE in `find $NEW -name checksums`
do
diff -uN ${FILE/$NEW/$ORG} $FILE >> $NEW.diff
done
for FILE in `find $NEW -name Makefile`
do
diff -uN ${FILE/$NEW/$ORG} $FILE >> $NEW.diff
done
for FILE in `find $NEW -path '*files*' -type f -or -type l`
do
mkdir -p `dirname ${FILE/$NEW/$ORG}`
cp -ab $FILE ${FILE/$NEW/$ORG}
done
}

#patch old dir structure so we don't download all dependency files again
function patch() {
echo "patch"
if [ -f $NEW.diff ];then
 cd $ORG
 /usr/bin/patch -p1 <../$NEW.diff
 cd $BASE
fi
}


#create file for appl to update
function update() {
echo "update"
grep $ORG $NEW.diff |awk '{print $2}' > $UPDATE

#remove old dirs, [run make]=20
while read FILE
do
DIR=3D`dirname $FILE`
FILENAME=3D`basename $FILE`
if [ -d $DIR ]; then
 if [ $FILENAME =3D=3D "Makefile" ]; then
  cd $DIR
  if [ -d "cookies" ]; then=20
    rm -rf $RMDIRS
    if [ $MAKEALL =3D=3D "YES" ];then
     make
    fi
  fi
 fi
 cd $BASE
fi
done <  $UPDATE
}

function gnome-desktop() {
newdiff
patch
update
 cd $BASE
 cd $ORG/meta/gnome-desktop
  echo "Compiling desktop"=20
  make
 cd $BASE
}

function gnome-meta() {
 if [ -d $ORG/meta/gnome-$1 ];then=09
   cd $ORG/meta/gnome-$1
   echo "Compiling $ORG/meta/gnome-$1"
   make
 elif [ -d $ORG/meta/$1 ];then=09
   cd $ORG/meta/$1
   echo "Compiling $ORG/meta/$1"
   make
 elif [ -d $1 ];then=09
   cd $1
   echo "Compiling $1"
   make
 fi
 cd $BASE
}


function loop_args(){
 for META in $@
 do
 gnome-meta $META
 done
}

case "$3" in
  newdiff)
	newdiff
	;;=09
  patch)
	patch
	;;
  update)
	update
	;;
  all-changed)
        MAKEALL=3D"YES"
	newdiff
	patch
	update
	;;
  desktop)
        gnome-desktop
	shift 3
	loop_args $@
	;;
  gnome-desktop)
        gnome-desktop
	shift 3
	loop_args $@
	;;

  *)
	newdiff
	patch
	update
esac


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I am running a Mandrake 8.2 system.  When I attempt to compile 
garnome (0.16.2), I get the following error in the redhat-artwork 
step of the make:


<15 MB of make output snipped ...>


checking whether the linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries...
yes
checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate
checking whether stripping libraries is possible... yes
checking dynamic linker characteristics... GNU/Linux ld.so
checking if libtool supports shared libraries... yes
checking whether to build shared libraries... yes
checking whether to build static libraries... no
checking whether -lc should be explicitly linked in... no
creating libtool
checking for gtk-config... no
checking for GTK - version >= 1.2.9... no
*** The gtk-config script installed by GTK could not be found
*** If GTK was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in
*** your path, or set the GTK_CONFIG environment variable to the
*** full path to gtk-config.
configure: error: *** GTK+-1.2.9 not installed - please install first
***
make[2]: *** [configure-work/redhat-artwork-0.36/configure] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/usr/local/public/bigdisk/tmp/garnome-0.16.2/misc/redhat-artwork'
make[1]: *** [install] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/usr/local/public/bigdisk/tmp/garnome-0.16.2/misc'
make: *** [install] Error 2

----------------------------------------------------------------------

I am confused by this error -- I thought that an updated GTK was
provided by the Garnome make process (I see a
"garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gtk+/work/gtk+-2.0.6" directory in the build
tree) ... How do I fix this error?




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> checking for GTK - version >= 1.2.9... no
> *** The gtk-config script installed by GTK could not be found
> *** If GTK was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in
> *** your path, or set the GTK_CONFIG environment variable to the
> *** full path to gtk-config.
> configure: error: *** GTK+-1.2.9 not installed - please install first
> ***

> I am confused by this error -- I thought that an updated GTK was
> provided by the Garnome make process (I see a
> "garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gtk+/work/gtk+-2.0.6" directory in the build
> tree) ... How do I fix this error?

Install GTK+ 1.x. Red Hat has a Bluecurve theme for both GTK+ 1.x and 2.x.

- Jeff

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Hi,
I'm a novice and have some problem to try to install gnome 2 from local
files. I acquired a magazine with a cd with sources of gnome 2. Now I wou=
ld
like to install gnome 2 with these and not with the download the files fr=
om
the ftp or http. I follow the readme instructions and modified the gar co=
nfig
files and added the line file:///home/downloads/garnome (where I copied
the bz2 source files). After to try, I went on atk directory and type mak=
e
install and obtained the follow message:

mkdir download
 
  =3D=3D> Grabbing download/atk-1.0.2.tar.bz2
      
         =3D=3D> Trying file//files/atk-1.0.2.tar.bz2

make[1]: *** [file//files/atk-1.0.2.tar.bz2] Error 1
   
         =3D=3D> Trying http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/2.0.0/sources/atk/=
atk-1.0.2.tar.bz2

And final obtain an error message.
In what mode I can do so the system know that I have these files on my ha=
rd
disk? And also, where I can install the gnome 2 system so all the user ca=
n
see that? I installed garnome-0.12.0 under the home directory and do all
these operation under the root.
Thanks,

Marco Mangiante



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> I'm a novice and have some problem to try to install gnome 2 from local
> files. I acquired a magazine with a cd with sources of gnome 2. Now I
> would like to install gnome 2 with these and not with the download the
> files from the ftp or http. I follow the readme instructions and modified
> the gar config files and added the line file:///home/downloads/garnome
> (where I copied the bz2 source files).

With a modern GARNOME (0.16.x), you set the GARCHIVE variable in
gar.conf.mk. Note that it will still download files that you do not have in
your garchive, so if the files on your magazine disk are for an old version
of GNOME, it will download just about everything anyway.

Thanks,

- Jeff

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I have installed garnome-16.2 and when I start yelp there are no Gnome
documents, only man pages and info documents.

I have checked that the .xml files are in

~/garnome/share/gnome/help/user-guide/C/

Any clues?  (I have read the FAQ).  What should I do to diagnose the
problem?


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> I have installed garnome-16.2 and when I start yelp there are no Gnome
> documents, only man pages and info documents.
> 
> I have checked that the .xml files are in
> 
> ~/garnome/share/gnome/help/user-guide/C/
> 
> Any clues?  (I have read the FAQ).  What should I do to diagnose the
> problem?

This is my fault. :-) I still haven't got the documentation stuff *quite*
right. If you manage to work it out (it's mostly to do with everything being
in a weird prefix, etc), please let me know.

Note that using the help menu item in every application does work, but it's
harder to get into the basic gnome2-user-docs documentation.

- Jeff

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Hi,
thanks for the response. I have the gnome 2.0 and I think that the garnom=
e-0.16.x
download the last files. In what mode I can modify the garnome so it acce=
pt
the "old" gnome files?
Thanks,

Marco Mangiante

 
>-- Messaggio originale --
>From: Jeff Waugh 
>To: marcomangiante@virgilio.it
>Cc: garnome-list@gnome.org
>Subject: Re: Installing gnome 2 from local bz2 files
>Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 17:40:41 +1000
>
>
>
>
>> I'm a novice and have some problem to try to install gnome 2 from loca=
l
>> files. I acquired a magazine with a cd with sources of gnome 2. Now I
>> would like to install gnome 2 with these and not with the download the=

>> files from the ftp or http. I follow the readme instructions and modif=
ied
>> the gar config files and added the line file:///home/downloads/garnome=

>> (where I copied the bz2 source files).
>
>With a modern GARNOME (0.16.x), you set the GARCHIVE variable in
>gar.conf.mk. Note that it will still download files that you do not have=

>in
>your garchive, so if the files on your magazine disk are for an old vers=
ion
>of GNOME, it will download just about everything anyway.
>
>Thanks,
>
>- Jeff
>
>-- 
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>   
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> thanks for the response. I have the gnome 2.0 and I think that the garnome-0.16.x
> download the last files. In what mode I can modify the garnome so it accept
> the "old" gnome files?

You can't (easily). GARNOME is designed more as a 'distribution' than as a
build tool. I strongly, strongly, strongly recommend that you let it
download the new tarballs and build them.

- Jeff

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Hi,
I know this because I try do this and it is very hard. I chenged a line
in one of the config file (don't remember what file) so it recognize wher=
e
I have the local files. I cancelled all the checksum in all the directory=

and rebuild them with these command:

make fetch
make makesum
make checksum

It seems that it works but I have problem because I installed it under th=
e
Marco user and not under the root, so I'm arrived to a point in which I
can't continue.
Is this the method that you say is difficult (mine is difficult and tedio=
us).
Thanks,

Marco Mangiante

>You can't (easily). GARNOME is designed more as a 'distribution' than as=

>a
>build tool. I strongly, strongly, strongly recommend that you let it
>download the new tarballs and build them.
>
>- Jeff



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> I know this because I try do this and it is very hard. I chenged a line
> in one of the config file (don't remember what file) so it recognize where
> I have the local files. I cancelled all the checksum in all the directory
> and rebuild them with these command:
> 
> make fetch
> make makesum
> make checksum

That is the correct way of doing it, but note that you may build a
completely broken GNOME 2 installation, and I will not help you pick up the
pieces. I distribute GARNOME so that you can test a *build/sanity tested and
working* version of GNOME. If you choose to do silly things like this, I'm
not all that interested in helping you out.

> It seems that it works but I have problem because I installed it under the
> Marco user and not under the root, so I'm arrived to a point in which I
> can't continue.

Why is this a problem? It should 100% work no matter which user you build it
as. Indeed, I've said many times NOT to build it as root.

- Jeff

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Try,
scrollkeeper-update -o ~/garnome/share/omf/

Works for me, except for "introduction-to-gnome" which is not
well-formed xml.

Ronald


On Wed, 2002-09-18 at 04:15, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> 
> > I have installed garnome-16.2 and when I start yelp there are no Gnome
> > documents, only man pages and info documents.
> > 
> > I have checked that the .xml files are in
> > 
> > ~/garnome/share/gnome/help/user-guide/C/
> > 
> > Any clues?  (I have read the FAQ).  What should I do to diagnose the
> > problem?
> 
> This is my fault. :-) I still haven't got the documentation stuff *quite*
> right. If you manage to work it out (it's mostly to do with everything being
> in a weird prefix, etc), please let me know.
> 
> Note that using the help menu item in every application does work, but it's
> harder to get into the basic gnome2-user-docs documentation.
> 
> - Jeff
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> Try,
> scrollkeeper-update -o ~/garnome/share/omf/
> 
> Works for me, except for "introduction-to-gnome" which is not
> well-formed xml.

Oh, BOLLOCKS!

No wonder, I managed to take that out of the post-everything rule ages ago.
Gar, gar, gar!

Thanks,

- Jeff

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Hi,

>> It seems that it works but I have problem because I installed it under=

>the
>> Marco user and not under the root, so I'm arrived to a point in which
I
>> can't continue.
>
>Why is this a problem? It should 100% work no matter which user you buil=
d
>it
>as. Indeed, I've said many times NOT to build it as root.

maybe it depends on the fact that I tried to install gnome in mode that
I explained, so under my user I haven't permission on such directory.
So, however, when I first downloaded the garnome-0.13.1 (my first experie=
nce
with garnome) I type make install and it downloaded the files for install=

a sanity version on gnome (I think version 2.0.2); now it works but becau=
se
I am not experienced I installed it under root, adn when I lauch gdm and
try to access gnome 2 with Marco, the system return me to gdm screen. Wha=
t
I can add to do gnome 2 work also under other users? And I can resue the
files that I have downloaded with new garnome versions?
Thanks,

Marco



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> So, however, when I first downloaded the garnome-0.13.1 (my first experience
> with garnome) I type make install and it downloaded the files for install
> a sanity version on gnome (I think version 2.0.2);

No, 0.13.1 was much earlier than 2.0.2.

> now it works but because I am not experienced I installed it under root,
> adn when I lauch gdm and try to access gnome 2 with Marco, the system
> return me to gdm screen. What I can add to do gnome 2 work also under
> other users?

Give them permissions to access (read and execute) whichever directory you
installed GARNOME into.

> And I can resue the files that I have downloaded with new garnome
> versions?

'make garchive' in the root build directory.

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On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 04:40, Ronald Kuetemeier wrote:
> Try,
> scrollkeeper-update -o ~/garnome/share/omf/
> 
> Works for me, except for "introduction-to-gnome" which is not
> well-formed xml.
> 
> Ronald
Thanks Ronald, but it still does not work.  (I executed that command and
re-started yelp but there was not change.)  I appreciate your help
nonetheless.

cheers,

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> On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 04:40, Ronald Kuetemeier wrote:
> > Try,
> > scrollkeeper-update -o ~/garnome/share/omf/
> > 
> > Works for me, except for "introduction-to-gnome" which is not
> > well-formed xml.
> 
> Thanks Ronald, but it still does not work.  (I executed that command and
> re-started yelp but there was not change.)  I appreciate your help
> nonetheless.

Works here - did you specify the correct prefix with -o?

- Jeff

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On Wed, 2002-09-18 at 14:24, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> 
> > On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 04:40, Ronald Kuetemeier wrote:
> > > Try,
> > > scrollkeeper-update -o ~/garnome/share/omf/
> > > 
> > > Works for me, except for "introduction-to-gnome" which is not
> > > well-formed xml.
> > 
> > Thanks Ronald, but it still does not work.  (I executed that command and
> > re-started yelp but there was not change.)  I appreciate your help
> > nonetheless.
> 
> Works here - did you specify the correct prefix with -o?

Or any error messages ?

If you use the wrong path, you will most likely get a lot of errors
stating the docs can not validated against the DTD. That's because you
try to validate old docs against the new DTD. 

What does,   
xmlcatalog ~/garnome/etc/xml/catalog "-//OMF//DTD Scrollkeeper OMF
Variant V1.0//EN"
return? On my machine it's:
/home/ronald/garnome/share/xml/scrollkeeper/dtds/scrollkeeper-omf.dtd 
Which is the correct dtd for gnome2 and my installation.

Does ~/garnome/etc/scrollkeeper.conf point to the right dir?
You might also want to check out:
http://people.codefactory.se/~micke/yelp/setup-system.html
That's where I found the hind to scrollkeeper-update.

Ronald

> 
> - Jeff
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On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 08:48, Ronald Kuetemeier wrote:
> On Wed, 2002-09-18 at 14:24, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 04:40, Ronald Kuetemeier wrote:
> > > > Try,
> > > > scrollkeeper-update -o ~/garnome/share/omf/
> > > > 
> > > > Works for me, except for "introduction-to-gnome" which is not
> > > > well-formed xml.
> > > 
> > > Thanks Ronald, but it still does not work.  (I executed that command and
> > > re-started yelp but there was not change.)  I appreciate your help
> > > nonetheless.
> > 
> > Works here - did you specify the correct prefix with -o?
> 
> Or any error messages ?
> 
> If you use the wrong path, you will most likely get a lot of errors
> stating the docs can not validated against the DTD. That's because you
> try to validate old docs against the new DTD. 
> 
> What does,   
> xmlcatalog ~/garnome/etc/xml/catalog "-//OMF//DTD Scrollkeeper OMF
> Variant V1.0//EN"
> return? On my machine it's:
> /home/ronald/garnome/share/xml/scrollkeeper/dtds/scrollkeeper-omf.dtd 
> Which is the correct dtd for gnome2 and my installation.
> 
> Does ~/garnome/etc/scrollkeeper.conf point to the right dir?
> You might also want to check out:
> http://people.codefactory.se/~micke/yelp/setup-system.html
> That's where I found the hind to scrollkeeper-update.
Thanks for all this: I have now solved the problem: I had
scrollkeeper-0.3.4-5 installed (via RPM) and it was being executed
instead of the version that comes with garnome.

I feel so stupid --- a _long_ time ago I had a problem that necessitated
prepending /usr/bin to my path in .bashrc, and of course hacks like lack
tend to hang around unnoticed...

Thanks for your help, and apologies for the time wasting.

John

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On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 08:24, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> 
> > On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 04:40, Ronald Kuetemeier wrote:
> > > Try,
> > > scrollkeeper-update -o ~/garnome/share/omf/
> > > 
> > > Works for me, except for "introduction-to-gnome" which is not
> > > well-formed xml.
> > 
> > Thanks Ronald, but it still does not work.  (I executed that command and
> > re-started yelp but there was not change.)  I appreciate your help
> > nonetheless.
> 
> Works here - did you specify the correct prefix with -o?
I executed the command cut 'n' pasted from Ronald's post as a normal
user:

[jwilliams@ou092011 Book]$ scrollkeeper-update -o ~/garnome/share/omf/
/var/lib/scrollkeeper/scrollkeeper_docs: Permission denied

Then su'ed and executed
[root@ou092011 Book]# scrollkeeper-update -o
/home/jwilliams/garnome/share/omf/

(one line, evo is wrapping it)

which produced no error messages.  (Actually the first time I did that I
got a message about non UTF-8 encoding in file-roller-ru.xml, so I moved
that file out of the way and re-tried.)

It's no big deal for me, I can wait until the next release when it's
fixed :-)  I just thought you'd like to know.  

There is no bugzilla for garnome is there?  (I know there is one for
Gnome2.)

cheers,

and bug ups to Jeff for his fine work.

John

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On Wed, 2002-09-18 at 14:32, John Williams wrote:
> On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 08:24, Jeff Waugh wrote:
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> > 
> > > On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 04:40, Ronald Kuetemeier wrote:
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> > > > 
> > > > Works for me, except for "introduction-to-gnome" which is not
> > > > well-formed xml.
> > > 
> > > Thanks Ronald, but it still does not work.  (I executed that command and
> > > re-started yelp but there was not change.)  I appreciate your help
> > > nonetheless.
> > 
> > Works here - did you specify the correct prefix with -o?
> I executed the command cut 'n' pasted from Ronald's post as a normal
> user:
> 
> [jwilliams@ou092011 Book]$ scrollkeeper-update -o ~/garnome/share/omf/
> /var/lib/scrollkeeper/scrollkeeper_docs: Permission denied
> 
> Then su'ed and executed

UUUUh, you should have changed the owner/group of
"/var/lib/scrollkeeper/"
instead, to avoid the problem in the future. Been there done that :-).

Ronald

 



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Hi,

I have started installing Gnome 2.0.2 with garnomne 0.16.2 using
.../meta/gnome-desktop/ make install
Before this I have proved that all libaries, as listed on the
garnome-website, are installed. After about 4 hours of installing the
process stops with the following error-message: 
_______________________________________________________________-
Making all in descs
make[4]: Entering directory
`/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new/descs'
make[4]: *** No rule to make target `AM_Armenian.keyprop', needed by
`all-am'.  Stop.
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`/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new/descs'
make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory
`/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3'
make: *** [build-work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/Makefile] Error 2

____________________________________________________

I changed to the applets-directory to rebuilt with make clean ; make
install and got the following message: 
________________________________________________________________________________
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 ./xmodmap.ru-rev
/root/garnome/share/xmodmap/xmodmap.ru-rev
make[3]: Leaving directory
`/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new/xmodmap'
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new/xmodmap'
Making install in descs
make[2]: Entering directory
`/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new/descs'
make[2]: *** No rule to make target `AM_Armenian.keyprop', needed by
`all-am'.  Stop.
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new/descs'
make[1]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new'
make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
_______________________________________________________________________________________


I cannot find any hint on missing libaries. I d not know the exact
meaning of install-recursive, too.
Is there any way to continue and install the applets after finishing the
installation with garnome?

If somebody has any explanation or idea on these error-messages I would
be happy and thankful to read them.


Matthias



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On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 08:11, Matthias Richter wrote:
___________________________________________________________
> /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 ./xmodmap.ru-rev
> /root/garnome/share/xmodmap/xmodmap.ru-rev
> make[3]: Leaving directory
> `/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new/xmodmap'
> make[2]: Leaving directory
> `/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new/xmodmap'
> Making install in descs
> make[2]: Entering directory
> `/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new/descs'
> make[2]: *** No rule to make target `AM_Armenian.keyprop', needed by
> `all-am'.  Stop.
> make[2]: Leaving directory
> `/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new/descs'
> make[1]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory
> `/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new'
> make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
> _______________________________________________________________________________________
> 
> 
> I cannot find any hint on missing libaries. I d not know the exact
> meaning of install-recursive, too.
Just walks the dir tree and installs.
> Is there any way to continue and install the applets after finishing the
> installation with garnome?
Well looks like you do the install as root, as Jeff would say: "DON'T DO
THAT"
Second do a `df -h` since root is under / and not /home you might have a
full partition, if you have a standard installation.
Third if you are just changing between su and user check all permissions
and owner of ALL files/dirs.
4th use make -d for debugging info from make.

Ronald
 


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> If somebody has any explanation or idea on these error-messages I would
> be happy and thankful to read them.
> 
> 
> Matthias
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Hi,

I keep getting error messages regarding the download of a file by the name
of bytecode-interpreter.diff.

I tried to follow the link manually and cannot see the file there either.

Has anyone encountered this problem before?

<- cut ->
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Resolving dl.sourceforge.net... done.
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make[5]: *** [http//dl.sourceforge.net/freetype/bytecode-interpreter.diff]
Error 1
*** GAR GAR GAR!  Failed to download download/bytecode-interpreter.diff!
GAR GAR GAR! ***
make[4]: *** [download/bytecode-interpreter.diff] Error 1
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Thanks in advance, Mike

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> I keep getting error messages regarding the download of a file by the name
> of bytecode-interpreter.diff.
> 
> I tried to follow the link manually and cannot see the file there either.
> 
> Has anyone encountered this problem before?

What have you changed in the GARNOME configuration files? If you've removed
anything from the FILE_SITES variable, do I have full permission to spank
you for not reading the documentation? :-)

Thanks,

- Jeff

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Jeff,

My gar.conf.mk looks like this:

<- cut ->
FILE_SITES = file://$(FILEDIR)/ file://$(GARCHIVEDIR)/
file:///mnt/windows/gnome/2.0.2/
<- cut ->

This is what I gathered from the documentation. As usual I probably
misinterpreted the information...

You'll have to discuss the spanking bit with my GF though ;)

// Mike

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> I keep getting error messages regarding the download of a file by the name
> of bytecode-interpreter.diff.
> 
> I tried to follow the link manually and cannot see the file there either.
> 
> Has anyone encountered this problem before?

What have you changed in the GARNOME configuration files? If you've removed
anything from the FILE_SITES variable, do I have full permission to spank
you for not reading the documentation? :-)

Thanks,

- Jeff

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> My gar.conf.mk looks like this:
> 
> <- cut ->
> FILE_SITES = file://$(FILEDIR)/ file://$(GARCHIVEDIR)/
> file:///mnt/windows/gnome/2.0.2/
> <- cut ->

Ah. On the website, these links are on separate lines, but only due to
html wrapping. Please make sure they're on the same line.

[ What's not in the documentation is that you can just put a normal
directory up in the GARCHIVE variable at the top of the new gar.conf.mk,
though. ]

- Jeff

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                       tape on a duct?" - Larry Wall                        

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To make sure you know when you are root, create a gnome-terminal profile
for root.  Maybe red as the background, or whatever you like.
Then add the following to your .bashrc, if you use bash. Or always type
it in :-) ...
Should be on ONE line.

alias su='if [ $TERM == "xterm" ]; then gnome-terminal
--window-with-profile=root -e su;else su;fi'

This creates a new gnome-terminal with the profile root and executes su
in that terminal.  You could also create a new tab in the existing
terminal, see docs ...

Hope this helps,
Ronald

 


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Or type 'id'.

Ronald Kuetemeier had the audacity to claim:

>To make sure you know when you are root, create a gnome-terminal profile
>for root.  Maybe red as the background, or whatever you like.
>Then add the following to your .bashrc, if you use bash. Or always type
>it in :-) ...
>Should be on ONE line.
>
>alias su='if [ $TERM == "xterm" ]; then gnome-terminal
>--window-with-profile=root -e su;else su;fi'
>
>This creates a new gnome-terminal with the profile root and executes su
>in that terminal.  You could also create a new tab in the existing
>terminal, see docs ...
>
>Hope this helps,
>Ronald


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Mark Faine wrote:

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> 
> Decided to rebuild the entire thing but unfortunatly I can't get any 
> files to download.  How ( and where) can I set where to download the 
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> 
They downloaded fine yesterday but fail to download today. Perhaps tomorrow?


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It's most likely because of the directory layout changes on
ftp.gnome.org.  I'm sure a new garnome will be released soon.

Alex

On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 21:48, Andreas J Guelzow wrote:
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> > 
> They downloaded fine yesterday but fail to download today. Perhaps tomorrow?
> 
> 
> Andreas
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Jeff,

I've tried putting my local directory on the same line as the 'variable'
ones. I've tried to put my directory into the GARCHIVEDIR variable earlier
in the file.

None of this seems to work, I still keep getting the same problem.

Could it be that this file it's looking for has been removed for some
reason?

I'll soon be going GAR GAR GAR!, just like the install script ;)

Greetings, Mike

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> My gar.conf.mk looks like this:
> 
> <- cut ->
> FILE_SITES = file://$(FILEDIR)/ file://$(GARCHIVEDIR)/
> file:///mnt/windows/gnome/2.0.2/
> <- cut ->

Ah. On the website, these links are on separate lines, but only due to
html wrapping. Please make sure they're on the same line.

[ What's not in the documentation is that you can just put a normal
directory up in the GARCHIVE variable at the top of the new gar.conf.mk,
though. ]

- Jeff

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You can modify a line in garnome-0.16.2\gnome\category.mk to make things 
work...

change this line:

MASTER_SITES += http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/2.0.2/sources$(GARNAME)/ 
http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/2.0.1/sources/$(GARNAME)/

to:

MASTER_SITES += http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/desktop/2.0/2.0.2/sources/ 
http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/desktop/2.0/2.0.1/sources/

This seems to work for me...

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Made the changes to category.mk to reflect the directory changes on 
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However, I error out when the script tries to download 
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Made the changes to category.mk to reflect the directory changes on ftp.gnome.org this morning and tried to compile garnome-0.16.2..

However, I error out when the script tries to download gnome-vfs-extras-0.99.5 from gnome.org.. version 0.99.5 isn't there.

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DRWilliams@marinerhealthcare.com writes:

> Made the changes to category.mk to reflect the directory changes on ftp.gnome.org this morning and tried to compile
> garnome-0.16.2..
> However, I error out when the script tries to download gnome-vfs-extras-0.99.5 from gnome.org.. version 0.99.5 isn't there.

If you change the version in the Makefile in the gnome-vfs-extras file
to 0.99.3, it'll get the one from 2.0.1. You'll need to remake the
checksum too, however ('md5sum TARBALL > checksum')

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The error message indicates a missing bytecode-interpreter.diff. This file
is part of the Garnome garball. It is not supposed to be downloaded. It is
possible to extract it manually from the garball and put it in its proper
location, where the Garnome system expects it to be.

(I did this too. And it wasn't the worst mistake I made...)

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Am Fre, 2002-09-20 um 16.35 schrieb Jon Riekenberg:

> change this line:

> to:
> 
> MASTER_SITES += http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/desktop/2.0/2.0.2/sources/ 
> http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/desktop/2.0/2.0.1/sources/
> 

Thx for the info so far. After modifying as you said, Garnome fails to
download an cuased the error 404 "host not found" after sveral hours of
compiling.again. 


Matthias



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glade isn't up on the gnome website anymore, so garnome can't download it.

thanks,
Sean


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> glade isn't up on the gnome website anymore, so garnome can't download it.

The GNOME FTP site structure changed last Friday, I'm putting a new release
out in a little while.

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You can download glade from:
http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/glade/1.1/

Alex

On Sun, 2002-09-22 at 18:02, Sean Proctor wrote:
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Jeff and Co,

I have a couple of Gnome apps that are being ported across to G2 and
seem to be working pretty much okay (well, at lot better than RhythmBox
anyway ;-)

They are:
        * Firestarter (firewall script creator)
        * Gkrellm (the super monitor)
        * Bluefish (web page editor)

I was wondering whether you might consider them for the fifth-toe meta
package in future Garnome distributions.

Maybe we could have another meta pkg called spare-foot or even the
spare-boot?!


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>         * Firestarter (firewall script creator)
>         * Gkrellm (the super monitor)
>         * Bluefish (web page editor)
> 
> I was wondering whether you might consider them for the fifth-toe meta
> package in future Garnome distributions.

Sure. :-)

- Jeff

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GARNOME 0.17.0: "Next Big Thing"
================================

GARNOME - the bad-ass, bleeding edge GNOME distribution for testers and
tweakers everywhere. If you're dying to test the latest GNOME 2.0 Desktop
releases, but don't want to fall into the depraved addictions and
co-dependencies of testing from anonymous CVS, then GARNOME is for you.

[ In other words, GARNOME is a build system for GNOME 2.x which includes the
developer platform and desktop releases, as well as a host of other software
ported to the GNOME 2.x platform. Everything is as easy to build as 'make
install'. We call it a 'distribution' because it's sanity-tested and often
patched before release, for your convenience and enjoyment. ;-) ]


What's New?
-----------

  - New: Balsa! [ Should have been added a while back, but I waited for a
	new release as the previous one wasn't very G2Dish... But, um, I guess
	they're just not going for G2D-ish after all. :-) ]
  
  - New: gworldclock - a very simple multiple-timezone clock
  
  - New: Fresh acme release with more support for PCs. Yay!
  
  - Updated: New GStreamer release!
  
  - Fixed: Splashscreen no longer refers to Preview 8. ;-) [ Needed
	checksum, thanks to Jan Schmidt. ]
  
  - Fixed: Point to new FTP directories.
  
  - Fixed: Remove our gimp-print brain damage.
  
  - No longer include bzipped patch for redhat-artwork, because we want to
	keep binary files out of the tree.
 

Where Do I Get It?
------------------

The tarball and documentation [1] are available on the GARNOME website:

  http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/garnome/


Enjoy G2D and GARNOME. :-)

- Jeff


[1] People who don't read the documentation tend to look pretty silly on
garnome-list and in #garnome.

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A while back I saw 0.16.3 at your site but not yet available. A few
minutes later, boom! 0.17.0 :-)

Now doing 'make paranoid-checksum' ...

By the way Jeff, I enjoy GARNOME very much :-) Keep 'em coming dude!

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On Mon, 2002-09-23 at 11:02, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> GARNOME 0.17.0: "Next Big Thing"
> ================================
> 
> GARNOME - the bad-ass, bleeding edge GNOME distribution for testers and
> tweakers everywhere. If you're dying to test the latest GNOME 2.0 Desktop
> releases, but don't want to fall into the depraved addictions and
> co-dependencies of testing from anonymous CVS, then GARNOME is for you.
> 
> [ In other words, GARNOME is a build system for GNOME 2.x which includes the
> developer platform and desktop releases, as well as a host of other software
> ported to the GNOME 2.x platform. Everything is as easy to build as 'make
> install'. We call it a 'distribution' because it's sanity-tested and often
> patched before release, for your convenience and enjoyment. ;-) ]
> 
> 
> What's New?
> -----------
> 
>   - New: Balsa! [ Should have been added a while back, but I waited for a
> 	new release as the previous one wasn't very G2Dish... But, um, I guess
> 	they're just not going for G2D-ish after all. :-) ]
>   
>   - New: gworldclock - a very simple multiple-timezone clock
>   
>   - New: Fresh acme release with more support for PCs. Yay!
>   
>   - Updated: New GStreamer release!
>   
>   - Fixed: Splashscreen no longer refers to Preview 8. ;-) [ Needed
> 	checksum, thanks to Jan Schmidt. ]
>   
>   - Fixed: Point to new FTP directories.
>   
>   - Fixed: Remove our gimp-print brain damage.
>   
>   - No longer include bzipped patch for redhat-artwork, because we want to
> 	keep binary files out of the tree.
>  
> 
> Where Do I Get It?
> ------------------
> 
> The tarball and documentation [1] are available on the GARNOME website:
> 
>   http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/garnome/
> 
> 
> Enjoy G2D and GARNOME. :-)
> 
> - Jeff
> 
> 
> [1] People who don't read the documentation tend to look pretty silly on
> garnome-list and in #garnome.
> 
> -- 
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>                       far as films go." - Cody Russell                      
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On Mon, 2002-09-23 at 13:02, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> GARNOME 0.17.0: "Next Big Thing"
> ================================

Stand back!

I notice that there still is no "export BUILD_CLEAN" in the gar.conf.mk
file.

Do some shells not need this?

Is there some way to stop the KDE stuff from being included in a "make
paranoid-garchive" or having a gnome only target.

Don't want to sound too single-minded it's just such a big download...



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> Stand back!
> 
> I notice that there still is no "export BUILD_CLEAN" in the gar.conf.mk
> file.

See the large export lines at the bottom of gar.conf.mk.

> Is there some way to stop the KDE stuff from being included in a "make
> paranoid-garchive" or having a gnome only target.

Delete the kde directory. :-)

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On Mon, 2002-09-23 at 14:10, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> See the large export lines at the bottom of gar.conf.mk.

Ooops!  Sorry!

> Delete the kde directory. :-)

Trying that...tah!

P.S. Problem with downloading gal2 - wrong location, will send an update
in a mo when I've been through the whole make paranoid-garchive...


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On Mon, 2002-09-23 at 13:02, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> GARNOME 0.17.0: "Next Big Thing"
> ================================

Gal2 libraries should be at (line split by evo):

    http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/gal2-0/0.0/gal2-0-0.0.6.tar.bz2

Also, Md5check for gst-plugins is different for me:

    $ md5sum gstreamer/gst-plugins/download/gst-plugins-0.4.1.tar.bz2 
    9b190733771be21bf8bf18971a652955 
    gstreamer/gst-plugins/download/gst-plugins-0.4.1.tar.bz2
    
versus

    6de1255082d5cf5dddfd3686f0b383e2  download/gst-plugins-0.4.1.tar.bz2


I've downloaded it twice with the same result.

I'll temporarily change the checksum and cont...

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Has anyone gotten garnome started with kdm in suse 8? 

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> Gal2 libraries should be at (line split by evo):
> 
>     http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/gal2-0/0.0/gal2-0-0.0.6.tar.bz2

Thanks, borky release name didn't quite fit with the conversion. ;-)

> Also, Md5check for gst-plugins is different for me:
> 
>     $ md5sum gstreamer/gst-plugins/download/gst-plugins-0.4.1.tar.bz2 
>     9b190733771be21bf8bf18971a652955 
>     gstreamer/gst-plugins/download/gst-plugins-0.4.1.tar.bz2
>     
> versus
> 
>     6de1255082d5cf5dddfd3686f0b383e2  download/gst-plugins-0.4.1.tar.bz2

Gar. Thomas re-released with the same version number, but I can't claim that
I didn't know. I just forgot to update it. :-)

Thanks, point release coming out with your name on it. :-)

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Hi!

I'm using garnome 0.14.1 for a while now...
I wanted to know if it is possible to install the new garnome version
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> I'm using garnome 0.14.1 for a while now...
> I wanted to know if it is possible to install the new garnome version
> without losing any files?

Go for it, but I strongly recommend installing to a new prefix, or removing
your old one.

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Hello,
After several attempts to install Gnome 2.0.2 with garnome 0.16.1 I
tried with 0.17.0. I've proved that all necessary libs and apps are
installed as listed on the garnome-homepage and had at this point of
installation about 1.6GB free hdd-space, but got the
following-error-message: 

In file includes from porperties.c:39:
/usr/inlude/apm.h:69: parse error before *
/usr/include/apm.h:69:warning: data definition has no type or storage
class
make [4]: *** [proerties.o] error 1
make [4]: leaving directory
/work/garnome-0.17.0/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/battstat
make[3]: *** [al-recursive] error 1
make[3]: leaving directory
>>/work/garnome-0.17.0/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/battstat
make [2] *** [all-recursive] error 2
make[2]: leaving directory >>
/work/garnome-0.17.0/gnome/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3<<
make *** [all-reccursive-am] error 2
make[1]: leaving directory
>>/work/garnome-0.17.0/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3
make: *** [build.work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/Makefile] error 2


Can someone help me to understand this error-mesage and perhaps give me
some information on how to solve the problem?

Many thanks in advance.

Matthias


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(this was supposed to be mailed from *this* email address, not my other 
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Compiling 0.17.1 under Cygwin, I eventually get this message during the
install for glib 2.0.6:


============================
*** Warning: This library needs some functionality provided by
../glib/libglib-2.0.la.
*** I have the capability to make that library automatically link in when
*** you link to this library.  But I can only do this if you have a
*** shared version of the library, which you do not appear to have.
libtool: link: warning: `/lib/libintl.la' seems to be moved
rm -fr .libs/libgobject-2.0.la .libs/libgobject-2.0.* .libs/libgobject-2.0.*
============================


It has already made it's way through the ./glib files, and seems to have
   run OK there.  But once it gets to the ./work/glib-2.0.6/gobject/*.c
files, I get this error at the beginning, then a long string of
"undefined reference" errors  (such as below):


============================
generating symbol list for `libgobject-2.0.la'
   dlltool --export-all --exclude-symbols
DllMain@12,_cygwin_dll_entry@12,_cygwin_noncygwin_dll_entry@12,DllMainCRTStartup@12,DllEntryPoint@12 

--output-def .libs/cyggobject-2.0-0.dll-def  gboxed.lo gclosure.lo
genums.lo gobject.lo gparam.lo gparamspecs.lo gsignal.lo
gsourceclosure.lo gtype.lo gtypemodule.lo gtypeplugin.lo gvalue.lo
gvaluearray.lo gvaluetransform.lo gvaluetypes.lo
   sed -e "1,/EXPORTS/d" -e "s/ @ [0-9]*//" -e "s/ *;.*$//" <
.libs/cyggobject-2.0-0.dll-def > .libs/libgobject-2.0.exp
if test "x`head -1 .libs/libgobject-2.0.exp`" = xEXPORTS; then cp
.libs/libgobject-2.0.exp .libs/cyggobject-2.0-0.dll-def; else echo
EXPORTS > .libs/cyggobject-2.0-0.dll-def; _lt_hint=1; cat
.libs/libgobject-2.0.exp | while read symbol; do set dummy $symbol; case
$# in 2) echo " $2 @ $_lt_hint ; " >> .libs/cyggobject-2.0-0.dll-def;;
*) echo " $2 @ $_lt_hint $3 ; " >> .libs/cyggobject-2.0-0.dll-def;;
esac; _lt_hint=`expr 1 + $_lt_hint`; done; fi
   gcc -Wl,--base-file,.libs/cyggobject-2.0-0.dll-base
-Wl,-e,__cygwin_dll_entry@12 -o .libs/cyggobject-2.0-0.dll  gboxed.lo
gclosure.lo genums.lo gobject.lo gparam.lo gparamspecs.lo gsignal.lo
gsourceclosure.lo gtype.lo gtypemodule.lo gtypeplugin.lo gvalue.lo
gvaluearray.lo gvaluetransform.lo gvaluetypes.lo  -L/usr/lib -L/lib
-L/opt/garnome/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib .libs/libimp-cygintl-2.a
.libs/libimp-cygiconv-2.a
gboxed.lo: In function `value_copy':
/d/Archives/cygwin.other/garnome/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/gobject/gboxed.c:70: 

undefined reference to `g_malloc0'
gboxed.lo: In function `value_free':
/d/Archives/cygwin.other/garnome/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/gobject/gboxed.c:87: 

undefined reference to `g_free'
gboxed.lo: In function `gstring_copy':
============================

and so forth, until it fails out at:


============================
/d/Archives/cygwin.other/garnome/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/gobject/gvaluetypes.c:871: 

undefined reference to `g_strdup'
gvaluetypes.lo: In function `g_pointer_type_register_static':
/d/Archives/cygwin.other/garnome/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/gobject/gvaluetypes.c:898: 

undefined reference to `g_log'
/usr/lib/libcygwin.a(libcmain.o)(.text+0x81): undefined reference to
`WinMain@16'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[7]: *** [libgobject-2.0.la] Error 1
============================



Does that shared library error earlier on have something to do with
this?  (I have a log file of the entire run, including the errors, if it
would be of any use to anyone).





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Hi, I run into a strange error building the latest
garnome (0.17.1) on a Pentium 4 Red Hat 7.3 machine
with gcc 3.2.  Actually I am having the same problem
with all recent versions of garnome (since about
0.16.0).  I have gcc 3.2 installed in a non-standard
place (in /share/software/gcc-3.2/installed/bin).  I
force the use of gcc 3.2 via the environment variables
PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH.

This are the error messages:

.
.
.
[===== NOW BUILDING:	glib-2.0.6	=====]
	[fetch] complete for glib.
	[checksum] complete for glib.
	[extract] complete for glib.
	[patch] complete for glib.
 ==> Building gnome/pkgconfig as a dependency
 ==> Building gnome/gtk-doc as a dependency
	[configure] complete for glib.
 ==> Running make in work/glib-2.0.6
make[5]: Entering directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6'
make  all-recursive
make[6]: Entering directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6'
Making all in .
make[7]: Entering directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6'
make[7]: Nothing to be done for `all-am'.
make[7]: Leaving directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6'
Making all in m4macros
make[7]: Entering directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/m4macros'
make[7]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[7]: Leaving directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/m4macros'
Making all in glib
make[7]: Entering directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/glib'
Making all in libcharset
make[8]: Entering directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/glib/libcharset'
make[8]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[8]: Leaving directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/glib/libcharset'
make[8]: Entering directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/glib'
make[8]: Nothing to be done for `all-am'.
make[8]: Leaving directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/glib'
make[7]: Leaving directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/glib'
Making all in gobject
make[7]: Entering directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/gobject'
echo "#ifndef __G_MARSHAL_H__" > xgen-gmh \
&& echo "#define __G_MARSHAL_H__" >> xgen-gmh \
&& ./glib-genmarshal --nostdinc
--prefix=g_cclosure_marshal ./gmarshal.list --header
>> xgen-gmh \
&& echo "#endif /* __G_MARSHAL_H__ */" >> xgen-gmh \
&& (cmp -s xgen-gmh ./gmarshal.h || cp xgen-gmh
./gmarshal.h) \
&& rm -f xgen-gmh xgen-gmh~ \
&& echo timestamp > stamp-gmarshal.h
lt-glib-genmarshal: error while loading shared
libraries: libgcc_s.so.1: cannot open shared object
file: No such file or directory
make[7]: *** [stamp-gmarshal.h] Error 127
make[7]: Leaving directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/gobject'
make[6]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[6]: Leaving directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6'
make[5]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
make[5]: Leaving directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6'
make[4]: *** [build-work/glib-2.0.6/Makefile] Error 2
make[4]: Leaving directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib'
make[3]: *** [dep-../../gnome/glib] Error 2
make[3]: Leaving directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/atk'
make[2]: *** [dep-../../gnome/atk] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/gtk+'
make[1]: *** [dep-../../gnome/gtk+] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/metacity'
make: *** [dep-../../gnome/metacity] Error 2

My environment variables:

%echo $PATH
/share/software/gcc-3.2/installed/bin:/share/software/gnome2/installed/bin:/share/software/gnome/installed/bin:/home/atai/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin

%echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH
/share/software/gcc-3.2/installed/lib:/share/software/gnome2/installed/lib:/share/software/gcc-3.2/installed/lib:/share/software/gnome/installed/lib:/usr/local/bin


If I go into the glib directory and do ./configure &&
make && make install there, it works.

gcc 3.2 works otherwise on this system; I compiled a
lot of other software like latest samba and Linux
kernel on this configuration and they all work.

My binutils version is 2.13.

This may be a bug in GAR, or gcc, instead of garnome,
but I post it here first so if any garnome users can
help me solving this problem, that would be greatly
appreciated.

Andy

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> Hi, I run into a strange error building the latest garnome (0.17.1) on a
> Pentium 4 Red Hat 7.3 machine with gcc 3.2. Actually I am having the same
> problem with all recent versions of garnome (since about 0.16.0).  I have
> gcc 3.2 installed in a non-standard place (in
> /share/software/gcc-3.2/installed/bin).  I force the use of gcc 3.2 via
> the environment variables PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH.

I'd wager it's gcc, which looks homebuilt, rather than from your distro. Try
building with your distro-supplied gcc instead.

- Jeff

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Thanks for the reply.  With Red Hat 7, the distro
compiler is gcc 2.96.  So you can see that I try to
avoid it...

I wonder if anyone else successfully used gcc 3.2 with
Garnome.  For these people, where do you install your
gcc 3.2?

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> 
> I'd wager it's gcc, which looks homebuilt, rather
> than from your distro. Try
> building with your distro-supplied gcc instead.
> 
> - Jeff
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> Thanks for the reply.  With Red Hat 7, the distro compiler is gcc 2.96.
> So you can see that I try to avoid it...

No, I can't see why. It has small issues with advanced numeric calculations.
It is not broken. Don't believe-- don't believe-- don't believe the hype.

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> I wonder if anyone else successfully used gcc 3.2 with Garnome.  For these
> people, where do you install your gcc 3.2?

I use gcc 3.2 (provided by my distribution) to test GARNOME. It works. The
only issues I've seen with it were related to homebrew systems and homebrew
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OK, I think I find a way to make it work.  
In gar.conf.mk, there is a line
LD_LIBRARY_PATH :=
/lib:$(DESTDIR)$(libdir):$(DESTDIR)$(BUILD_PREFIX)/lib:/lib:/usr/lib:

which does not carry in the existing LD_LIBRARY_PATH
values.  Maybe that line should be changed as 

LD_LIBRARY_PATH :=
/lib:$(DESTDIR)$(libdir):$(DESTDIR)$(BUILD_PREFIX)/lib:/lib:/usr/lib:$(LD_LIBRARY_PATH)

so people using custom (homebrewed) compilers and
environments can have their tools working with
garnome...

--- Jeff Waugh  wrote:
> 
> 
> > Thanks for the reply.  With Red Hat 7, the distro
> compiler is gcc 2.96.
> > So you can see that I try to avoid it...
> 
> No, I can't see why. It has small issues with
> advanced numeric calculations.
> It is not broken. Don't believe-- don't believe--
> don't believe the hype.
> 
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>   I'm the epitome - a public enemy
>   Used, abused without clues
>   I refused to blow a fuse
>   They even had it on the news
>   Don't believe the hype!
> 
> - Jeff

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On Monday 23 September 2002 19:55, Andy Tai wrote:
>Thanks for the reply.  With Red Hat 7, the distro
>compiler is gcc 2.96.  So you can see that I try to
>avoid it...

The question though is why?  If you have been keeping the system 
up2date, then the installed version s/b 2.96-112, and thats quite 
capable AFAIK.  I had gcc-3.2 in for a while, but finally ripped it 
back out because it couldn't find the installed qt-3.0.4 lbs when 
there were 4 of them installed here & there.  Lifes too short to 
screw with such headaches.

>I wonder if anyone else successfully used gcc 3.2 with
>Garnome.  For these people, where do you install your
>gcc 3.2?
>
>--- Jeff Waugh  wrote:
>> I'd wager it's gcc, which looks homebuilt, rather
>> than from your distro. Try
>> building with your distro-supplied gcc instead.
>>
>> - Jeff
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Hi James,

I haven't tried building GNOME2 for CygWin, but I do know that there are at 
least two GNOME ports to CygWin+X out there:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/steven.obrien2/
http://www.geocities.co.jp/SiliconValley/1596/en/cygwin.html#GnomeHello-0.1

I don't know how far the GNOME2 progress is (or if work is even beyond the 
planning stage), but it would be great if that work (and the work of the 
MacOSX fink port of GNOME2) could be folded into GARNOME so that those 
platform ports would be always up to date and so GARNOME could become even 
more popular.

You might try and talk to one of the porters and ask for advice or have them 
post here if they need any input on how the GARNOME port works.

Best of luck,
    Robert



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I get the following error when compiling gnome-hacker-tools:

.....
gda-mysql-provider.c:1094: conflicting types for
`g_type_check_instance_cast'
/home/roku/garnome/include/glib-2.0/gobject/gtype.h:319: previous
declaration of `g_type_check_instance_cast'
gda-mysql-provider.c:1094: warning: type defaults to `int' in
declaration of `gda_data_model_get_type'
gda-mysql-provider.c:1094: conflicting types for
`gda_data_model_get_type'
../../libgda/gda-data-model.h:73: previous declaration of
`gda_data_model_get_type'
gda-mysql-provider.c:1094: parse error before `)'
gda-mysql-provider.c:1097: parse error before `('
gda-mysql-provider.c:1097: warning: type defaults to `int' in
declaration of `gda_value_free'
gda-mysql-provider.c:1097: `gda_value_free' redeclared as different kind
of symbol
../../libgda/gda-value.h:134: previous declaration of `gda_value_free'
gda-mysql-provider.c:1097: parse error before `void'
gda-mysql-provider.c:1098: warning: type defaults to `int' in
declaration of `g_list_free'
gda-mysql-provider.c:1098: warning: parameter names (without types) in
function declaration
gda-mysql-provider.c:1098: conflicting types for `g_list_free'
/home/roku/garnome/include/glib-2.0/glib/glist.h:48: previous
declaration of `g_list_free'
gda-mysql-provider.c:1098: warning: data definition has no type or
storage classgda-mysql-provider.c:1099: parse error before `}'
gda-mysql-provider.c:1101: warning: type defaults to `int' in
declaration of `mysql_free_result'
gda-mysql-provider.c:1101: warning: parameter names (without types) in
function declaration
gda-mysql-provider.c:1101: warning: data definition has no type or
storage classgda-mysql-provider.c:1103: parse error before `return'
make[7]: *** [gda-mysql-provider.lo] Error 1
make[7]: Leaving directory
`/home/roku/tmp/installed/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/libgda/work/libgda-0.8.193/providers/mysql'
make[6]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[6]: Leaving directory
`/home/roku/tmp/installed/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/libgda/work/libgda-0.8.193/providers'
make[5]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[5]: Leaving directory
`/home/roku/tmp/installed/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/libgda/work/libgda-0.8.193'
make[4]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
make[4]: Leaving directory
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make[3]: *** [build-work/libgda-0.8.193/Makefile] Error 2
make[3]: Leaving directory
`/home/roku/tmp/installed/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/libgda'
make[2]: *** [dep-../../gnome/libgda] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/home/roku/tmp/installed/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/libgnomedb'
make[1]: *** [dep-../../gnome/libgnomedb] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/home/roku/tmp/installed/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glade'make: ***
[dep-../../gnome/glade] Error 2
roku@gideon:~/tmp/installed/garnome-0.17.1/meta/gno

------------------------

The same, if I try to compile gnome-office. Its always a problem with
libgda.



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	Rolf


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> LD_LIBRARY_PATH :=
> /lib:$(DESTDIR)$(libdir):$(DESTDIR)$(BUILD_PREFIX)/lib:/lib:/usr/lib:$(LD_LIBRARY_PATH)

Sweet, ta, will be added to next release.

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                      second-best." - Richard Stallman                      

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Hey guys,

I know my problem is a wrong version of MySQL-client and MYSQL-devel.
I tried version 3.23 and 4.0 but I still get errors (something about the
mystrings.so stuff)...
Finally I tried to deinstall all MySQL stuff and recompiled the libgda
stuff, successfully :)

Can anyone tell me what the right MySQL setup is to get libgda compiled
?

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Everytime I try to compile a garnoome version since 0.15.x I get an
error message, that index.sgml file located in DOC/C/html cannot be
found. See below for a detailed error msg.
My workaround is to craete a file with that name in the given directory
without any content, and it works.
This happens when compiling gnomedb or libgda for example.

Is there anybody with the same feature ?

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/usr/bin/install: cannot stat `./html/index.sgml': No such file or
directory
make[6]: *** [install-data-local] Error 1
make[6]: Leaving directory
`/home/roku/tmp/installed/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/libgnomedb/work/libgnomedb-0.8.193/doc/C'
make[5]: *** [install-am] Error 2
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make[4]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
make[4]: Leaving directory
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make[3]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory
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make[2]: *** [install-work/libgnomedb-0.8.193/Makefile] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory
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make[1]: *** [dep-../../gnome/libgnomedb] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory
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I've looked at those 2 projects, and besides that I have yet to get a 
successful compile on them, I also wanted to try and get Gnome 2 
running.  Working with Garnome is an experiment to see if it can be 
done, as well as gain some program troubleshooting experience in the 
process.

Even Steven Obrien on his site says he'd like to concentrate less on 
Gnome 1.4 & more on 2.0x.


Robert Devi wrote:
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> 
> I haven't tried building GNOME2 for CygWin, but I do know that there are 
> at least two GNOME ports to CygWin+X out there:



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Hey Jeff & Garnomer's.

Now that school's started again I find myself very busy with things not 
Gnome. I'd love to stay current with my Garnome builds but I don't want 
it to be a chore. I notice myself not reading the majority of mail on 
this list.

I'm wondering if the gnome.org list manager would be kind enough to 
create a garnome-announce list where the latest release eMail normally 
posted here could be cc'ed.

Is that a reasonable request, Jeff?

Thanks,
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Hello All:

I'm Robotito. Yesterday I downloaded garnome 0.17.1, but after downloading 
libgnomeprint and freetype2, i got this error message:

...
Scanning path /home/robotito/garnome/lib/groff/font (recursive)
Unsuccessful stat: /home/robotito/garnome/lib/groff/font
Scanning path /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts
Scanning path /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts (recursive)
Scanning path /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/CID (recursive)
Scanning path /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo (recursive)
Scanning path /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1 (recursive)
make[5]: *** [install-data-local] Violación de segmento
make[5]: Saliendo directorio 
`/c/temp/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/libgnomeprint/work/libgnomeprint-1.116.0/installer'
make[4]: *** [install-am] Error 2
make[4]: Saliendo directorio 
`/c/temp/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/libgnomeprint/work/libgnomeprint-1.116.0/installer'
make[3]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
make[3]: Saliendo directorio 
`/c/temp/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/libgnomeprint/work/libgnomeprint-1.116.0'
make[2]: *** [install-work/libgnomeprint-1.116.0/Makefile] Error 2
make[2]: Saliendo directorio `/c/temp/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/libgnomeprint'
make[1]: *** [dep-../../gnome/libgnomeprint] Error 2
make[1]: Saliendo directorio `/c/temp/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/eog'
make: *** [dep-../../gnome/eog] Error 2


What would it be? I have RedHat 7.3 upgraded from 7.2, and make-installing 
garnome as a normal user.

Help would be grateful.


Saludos,

Luis Julian.





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Is it possible to build garnome without building any of the KDE
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> Is it possible to build garnome without building any of the KDE
> components?

Yes. Build the meta garballs (as described on the website), or other GNOME
garballs individually if you choose.

- Jeff

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> I'm wondering if the gnome.org list manager would be kind enough to 
> create a garnome-announce list where the latest release eMail normally 
> posted here could be cc'ed.
> 
> Is that a reasonable request, Jeff?

You can subscribe to gnome-announce-list. I send GARNOME announcements
there. We're not all that fond of making new lists all the time, and I'd
prefer to keep just the one for GARNOME.

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> Everytime I try to compile a garnoome version since 0.15.x I get an
> error message, that index.sgml file located in DOC/C/html cannot be
> found. See below for a detailed error msg.
> My workaround is to craete a file with that name in the given directory
> without any content, and it works.
> This happens when compiling gnomedb or libgda for example.

Yeah, happens to everyone. Just make install again, or touch the file.

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or install gtk-doc tools or something.  read the FAQ for libgda, it's in
there.  it's a make problem, but seen during make install.  for debian
install the package gtk-doc-tools

regards,
Sean

PS I sent an e-mail about this a few weeks ago.

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>
> > Everytime I try to compile a garnoome version since 0.15.x I get an
> > error message, that index.sgml file located in DOC/C/html cannot be
> > found. See below for a detailed error msg.
> > My workaround is to craete a file with that name in the given directory
> > without any content, and it works.
> > This happens when compiling gnomedb or libgda for example.
>
> Yeah, happens to everyone. Just make install again, or touch the file.
>
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> or install gtk-doc tools or something.  read the FAQ for libgda, it's in
> there.  it's a make problem, but seen during make install.  for debian
> install the package gtk-doc-tools

GARNOME installs gtk-doc, but the libgnomedb libraries don't respect
--disable-gtk-doc (which is used across the board in GARNOME builds).

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Hi Guys,

I am using garnome 0.17.1 and I am getting a compile error when I get to ye=
lp-1.0.6 the error is as follows:

usr/local/garnome/include -I/usr/local/garnome/include/freetype2 -I/usr/loc=
al/garnome/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/garnome/lib/glib-2.0/include   -D_=
REENTRANT -DORBIT2=3D1 -I/usr/local/garnome/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/lo=
cal/garnome/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/garnome/include/bonobo-a=
ctivation-2.0 -I/usr/local/garnome/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/garnome/li=
b/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/garnome/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/garn=
ome/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/garnome/include/linc-1.0 -I/usr/local/garn=
ome/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/garnome/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/=
local/garnome/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/garnome/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -=
I/usr/local/garnome/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/garnome/include=
/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/garnome/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/garnome/inclu=
de/libbonoboui-2.0 -I/usr/local/garnome/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/garn=
ome/include -I/usr/local/garnome/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/garnome/lib=
/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/garnome/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/X11R6/include =
  -I/usr/local/garnome/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -L/usr/local/garnome/li=
b -L/usr/X11R6/lib -O2 -pipe -g -I/usr/local/garnome/include -I/usr/X11R6/i=
nclude -L/usr/local/garnome/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib -O2 -pipe -Wall -Wno-unini=
tialized -Wchar-subscripts -Wmissing-declarations -Wmissing-prototypes -Wne=
sted-externs -Wpointer-arith         -Wno-sign-compare -Wsign-promo -c yelp=
-window.c
yelp-window.c: In function `window_populate':
yelp-window.c:265: `gettext' undeclared (first use in this function)
yelp-window.c:265: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
yelp-window.c:265: for each function it appears in.)
make[4]: *** [yelp-window.o] Error 1
make[4]: Leaving directory `/home/matjc/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/yelp/work/yelp=
-1.0.6/src'
make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/matjc/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/yelp/work/yelp=
-1.0.6'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/matjc/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/yelp/work/yelp=
-1.0.6'
make[1]: *** [build-work/yelp-1.0.6/Makefile] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/matjc/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/yelp'
make: *** [dep-../../gnome/yelp] Error 2

Is anyone able to tell me how I can fix this please there doesnt seam to be=
 any problems with the configure of this ..

thanks
Toby.

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> yelp-window.c: In function `window_populate':
> yelp-window.c:265: `gettext' undeclared (first use in this function)
> yelp-window.c:265: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
> yelp-window.c:265: for each function it appears in.)

> Is anyone able to tell me how I can fix this please there doesnt seam to
> be any problems with the configure of this ..

Got gettext?

- Jeff

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Greetings Garnomers,
Thanks for your previous help. I decided to reinstall garnome this time t=
o=20
/opt/garnome. It seems to be happy there with no error messages on=20
completion. Now  my question.
I'm running Mandrake 8.2 on i686 - 791meg  processor - 512meg of RAM
Can I have Garnome configured so that it is one of the choices in the men=
u of=20
the login screen as is KDE 2 -KDE 3 -GNOME 1.4 - ENLIGHTENMENT etc.
If it's possible then "How do I do it?"
If it's not possible then "What's the best way to run and use it?"
Regards=20
Richard Bond.

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Hi,

During my attempts to get garnome-0.17.1 installed on SuSE 8.0 the
installation stops while compiling and installing gnome-applets with the
following message, which I am unable to understand. 
The pasted message could contain some mistakes, because of the fact I
had to translate it from german to english manually.
I would be happy to get some help in order to understand its sense.

Many thanks,

Matthias



Here is the error-message:
__________________________________________________________________________
Making all in descs   
make [5]: changing directory directory <>AM_armeninan.keygroup<< needed
by >>al-am<<.stop  
make [5]: leaving directory directory
>>work/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome/applets-2.0.3/gkb-new/descs<<     
make [4] *** [all-recursive] error 1   
make [4]: leaving directory directory
/work/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new<<     
make [3]: *** [all-recursive] error 1       
make [3]: leaving directory directory
_>>/work/garnome-1.17.1/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3>>     make [2]: *** [all-recursive] error 2    
make [2]: leaving directory directory
>>/work/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3       
make [1]: *** [build-work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/Makefile] error 2    
make [1] leaving directory directory
>>/work/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/gnome-applets<< 
make: *** [dep-../../gnome/gnome-applets] error 2
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Check out my email on integrating gdm2 into Mandrake. It also explains
your needs.

http://mail.gnome.org/archives/garnome-list/2002-September/msg00028.html

-A.

ke, 25-09-2002 kello 15:45, Richard Bond kirjoitti:
> Greetings Garnomers,
> Thanks for your previous help. I decided to reinstall garnome this time t=
o=20
> /opt/garnome. It seems to be happy there with no error messages on=20
> completion. Now  my question.
> I'm running Mandrake 8.2 on i686 - 791meg  processor - 512meg of RAM
> Can I have Garnome configured so that it is one of the choices in the men=
u of=20
> the login screen as is KDE 2 -KDE 3 -GNOME 1.4 - ENLIGHTENMENT etc.
> If it's possible then "How do I do it?"
> If it's not possible then "What's the best way to run and use it?"
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Hello: In garnome 0.17.1 et al. the Workspace Switcher applet is not
working for me. All I want to do is go from 1 workspace to 8 workspaces.
So I try to use help but it crashes on me and so I try to file a bug
report with Bug Buddy. Where I have to type in what happened I am not
able to do any typing in the Bug Buddy form. So after someone updates
their garnome do they have problems with the above applet?

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On Thu, 2002-09-26 at 08:48, Michael Dewey wrote:
> Hello: In garnome 0.17.1 et al. the Workspace Switcher applet is not
> working for me. All I want to do is go from 1 workspace to 8 workspaces.
> So I try to use help but it crashes on me and so I try to file a bug
> report with Bug Buddy. Where I have to type in what happened I am not
> able to do any typing in the Bug Buddy form. So after someone updates
> their garnome do they have problems with the above applet?
>=20

Running garnome 0.17.1 I have no problems with that applet. (I am also
using vbs on top of garnome, but only to compile libgnomeprint*,
libguppi, and gnumeric from cvs. THat shouldn't affect the behaviour of
that applet.)

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Hmmz

It only crashed on my when using sawfish, After switching to metacity it
worked like a charm.

Hope this helps

Ron

On Thu, 2002-09-26 at 17:00, Andreas J. Guelzow wrote:
> On Thu, 2002-09-26 at 08:48, Michael Dewey wrote:
> > Hello: In garnome 0.17.1 et al. the Workspace Switcher applet is not
> > working for me. All I want to do is go from 1 workspace to 8 workspaces.
> > So I try to use help but it crashes on me and so I try to file a bug
> > report with Bug Buddy. Where I have to type in what happened I am not
> > able to do any typing in the Bug Buddy form. So after someone updates
> > their garnome do they have problems with the above applet?
> > 
> 
> Running garnome 0.17.1 I have no problems with that applet. (I am also
> using vbs on top of garnome, but only to compile libgnomeprint*,
> libguppi, and gnumeric from cvs. THat shouldn't affect the behaviour of
> that applet.)
> 
> Andreas
> 



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Hello!

I can't find the good old each and paranoid_each in the latest garnome 
distribution.
Is there another way now to accomplish what they did?

Thanks,
Robert


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On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 18:01, Robert Staudinger wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> I can't find the good old each and paranoid_each in the latest garnome 
> distribution.
> Is there another way now to accomplish what they did?

There is a makefile in the toplevel directory. This can be used for
things like:

make install

make paranoid-extract

etc...

Cheers
Jens


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Hi, this doesn't seem to be fixed in 0.17.1.

Larry

Jeff Waugh wrote:

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>>Any particular reason LD_LIBRARY_PATH changed in gar.conf.mk 0.15.1?
>>    
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>Yeah, I brought it in from upstream. I didn't expect it to cause many
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> Hi, this doesn't seem to be fixed in 0.17.1.

Will be in the next, thanks.

- Jeff

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Hello,

I know this subject has come up quite a bit (gdm and garnome) but none
of the past posts seem to address this issue.  So...

I have just installed garnome 0.17.1 and set up gdm to run.  I added
the required LD_LIBRARY_PATH et. all to the
"$HOME/garnome/etc/gdm/gnomerc" file and logged in via gdm.  It works
great!  There is only one exception between simply using the
".xsession" file and gdm: the font size.  When I use the ".xsession"
file via startx the font "Sans 10" is of proper size to see on my
1600x1200 display.  But when I log in via gdm the size 10 font looks
small and I have to increase the font size to 14.  

Is this an expected behavior, or is gdm doing something wrong in the
startup.  Garnome seems to run fine in every other respect...

Thanks
Parrish

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Could this have something to do with which resolution it's using?

Last I looked at my kdm file it was starting at a 100 dpi, while when I 
ran from bash it started at 72, because startx executed 'X -dpi ...'.

--Pat

Parrish M Myers wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I know this subject has come up quite a bit (gdm and garnome) but none
> of the past posts seem to address this issue.  So...
> 
> I have just installed garnome 0.17.1 and set up gdm to run.  I added
> the required LD_LIBRARY_PATH et. all to the
> "$HOME/garnome/etc/gdm/gnomerc" file and logged in via gdm.  It works
> great!  There is only one exception between simply using the
> ".xsession" file and gdm: the font size.  When I use the ".xsession"
> file via startx the font "Sans 10" is of proper size to see on my
> 1600x1200 display.  But when I log in via gdm the size 10 font looks
> small and I have to increase the font size to 14.  
> 
> Is this an expected behavior, or is gdm doing something wrong in the
> startup.  Garnome seems to run fine in every other respect...
> 
> Thanks
> Parrish
> 
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From parrishmyers@yahoo.com  Sun Sep 29 14:51:48 2002
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Wow, your right!

I checked the resolution difference between startx and gdm... aparently
gdm starts the X server in 72 dpi while startx starts the server in
100.  Go figure.  I simply added the '-dpi 100' option to the X command
in the gdm config file (don't know if this is the right place to do
this... but it works).

Thank you.

--- Pat Suwalski  wrote:
> Could this have something to do with which resolution it's using?
> 
> Last I looked at my kdm file it was starting at a 100 dpi, while when
> I 
> ran from bash it started at 72, because startx executed 'X -dpi ...'.
> 
> --Pat
> 
> Parrish M Myers wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I know this subject has come up quite a bit (gdm and garnome) but
> none
> > of the past posts seem to address this issue.  So...
> > 
> > I have just installed garnome 0.17.1 and set up gdm to run.  I
> added
> > the required LD_LIBRARY_PATH et. all to the
> > "$HOME/garnome/etc/gdm/gnomerc" file and logged in via gdm.  It
> works
> > great!  There is only one exception between simply using the
> > ".xsession" file and gdm: the font size.  When I use the
> ".xsession"
> > file via startx the font "Sans 10" is of proper size to see on my
> > 1600x1200 display.  But when I log in via gdm the size 10 font
> looks
> > small and I have to increase the font size to 14.  
> > 
> > Is this an expected behavior, or is gdm doing something wrong in
> the
> > startup.  Garnome seems to run fine in every other respect...
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Parrish
> > 
> > =====
> > -----------------------------------------------------------
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> > http://sbc.yahoo.com
> 
> 
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hey Jeff,
Do you think you could mention in the docs somewhere that you need guile
to build aisleriot or something?  I just found out that I was running the
old version, so I wanted to try out the new one.  It's really buggy.  it
would be nice if the garnome users could test it out a little.  I found
two crashing bugs so far.

Thanks,
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Hello

I finished a patch for building rpm packages from garnome-0.17.1.
The packages created are the ones under gnome and misc subdirectories. 
Others will follow soon.

The patch is available at:

http://www.rcsnet.net/pub/Gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/patches/garnome-package-0.17.1.patch

The packages:

http://www.rcsnet.net/pub/Gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/SRPMS/
http://www.rcsnet.net/pub/Gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/RPMS/i386
http://www.rcsnet.net/pub/Gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/RPMS/noarch

The packages for garnome-0.15.0 are also available under
http://www.rcsnet.net/pub/Gnome2/garnome-0.15.0

Please take care when using binary packages (my build host is far from 
being a standard redhat ...) ...

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Von:      Jason Trickett 
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An:       "Christian Ostroznik" 
Betreff:  Re: gdm question

Never tried that my self, but:

- Download the same gdm Version you have
- Uninstall old gdm
- Link all gdm Files from $HOME/garnome/... to /usr/bin
- Restart X

If it ist noch working, delete the Links and reinstall gdm by=20

init 3
rpm -ihv gdm*.rpm
init 5

Hunter
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Die clevere Geldreserve: der DiBa-Privatkredit. Funktioniert wie ein Dispo=
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On Sun, 2002-09-01 at 05:20, Jason Trickett wrote:
> Hi.
> I installed gdm thru gnome-fifth-toe (garnome-0.13.1) and I wish to use
> this newer version as my login manager. Could someone point me in the
> right direction? Thanks.

Prolly depends on distro. On debian I installed gdm into the garnome
install directory (as root, but I don't know if that is needed [I
figrured so because of pam interaction]. Everything else I installed as
user). Then I edited /etc/init.d/gdm to point to the new gdm. Also,
either set HEED_DEFAULT_DISPLAY_MANAGER=false in /etc/init.d/gdm or
leave it as true, but change /etc/X11/default-display-manager to point
to new gdm. (There may be a Debian Way to set this, but I couldn't find
it and just used vi)



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Hi guys. I encounter the following error message when compiling gimp
1.3.7 (gnome-fifth-toe). If anybody can decipher it and lead me in the
right direction I will be most thankful. Thanks!

- Jason

: undefined reference to `procedural_db_execute'
plug-in/libappplug-in.a(plug-in.o): In function
`plug_in_handle_proc_install':
/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-in.c:1612: undefined reference to `procedural_db_register'
plug-in/libappplug-in.a(plug-in.o): In function `plug_in_temp_run':
/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-in.c:1835: undefined reference to `procedural_db_return_args'
/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-in.c:1849: undefined reference to `procedural_db_return_args'
plug-in/libappplug-in.a(plug-ins.o): In function `plug_ins_add_to_db':
/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-ins.c:591: undefined reference to `procedural_db_register'
/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-ins.c:623: undefined reference to `procedural_db_execute'
plug-in/libappplug-in.a(plug-ins.o): In function
`plug_ins_proc_def_remove':
/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-ins.c:728: undefined reference to `procedural_db_unregister'
plug-in/libappplug-in.a(plug-in-params.o): In function
`plug_in_args_destroy':
/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-in-params.c:450: undefined reference to `procedural_db_destroy_args'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[6]: *** [gimp-1.3] Error 1
make[6]: Leaving directory
`/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app'
make[5]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[5]: Leaving directory
`/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app'
make[4]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[4]: Leaving directory
`/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7'
make[3]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
make[3]: Leaving directory
`/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7'
make[2]: *** [build-work/gimp-1.3.7/Makefile] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp'
make[1]: *** [dep-../../gnome/gimp] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp-freetype'
make: *** [dep-../../gnome/gimp-freetype] Error 2


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Hi guys. I encounter the following error message when compiling gimp 1.3.7 (gnome-fifth-toe). If anybody can decipher it and lead me in the right direction I will be most thankful. Thanks!





- Jason





: undefined reference to `procedural_db_execute'


plug-in/libappplug-in.a(plug-in.o): In function `plug_in_handle_proc_install':


/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-in.c:1612: undefined reference to `procedural_db_register'


plug-in/libappplug-in.a(plug-in.o): In function `plug_in_temp_run':


/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-in.c:1835: undefined reference to `procedural_db_return_args'


/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-in.c:1849: undefined reference to `procedural_db_return_args'


plug-in/libappplug-in.a(plug-ins.o): In function `plug_ins_add_to_db':


/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-ins.c:591: undefined reference to `procedural_db_register'


/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-ins.c:623: undefined reference to `procedural_db_execute'


plug-in/libappplug-in.a(plug-ins.o): In function `plug_ins_proc_def_remove':


/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-ins.c:728: undefined reference to `procedural_db_unregister'


plug-in/libappplug-in.a(plug-in-params.o): In function `plug_in_args_destroy':


/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-in-params.c:450: undefined reference to `procedural_db_destroy_args'


collect2: ld returned 1 exit status


make[6]: *** [gimp-1.3] Error 1


make[6]: Leaving directory `/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app'


make[5]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1


make[5]: Leaving directory `/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app'


make[4]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1


make[4]: Leaving directory `/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7'


make[3]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2


make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7'


make[2]: *** [build-work/gimp-1.3.7/Makefile] Error 2


make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp'


make[1]: *** [dep-../../gnome/gimp] Error 2


make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp-freetype'


make: *** [dep-../../gnome/gimp-freetype] Error 2






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On Sun, 2002-09-01 at 03:35, Mario Vukelic wrote:

On Sun, 2002-09-01 at 05:20, Jason Trickett wrote:
> Hi.
> I installed gdm thru gnome-fifth-toe (garnome-0.13.1) and I wish to use
> this newer version as my login manager. Could someone point me in the
> right direction? Thanks.

> Prolly depends on distro. On debian I installed gdm into the garnome
> install directory (as root, but I don't know if that is needed [I
> figrured so because of pam interaction]. Everything else I installed as
> user). Then I edited /etc/init.d/gdm to point to the new gdm. Also,
> either set HEED_DEFAULT_DISPLAY_MANAGER=false in /etc/init.d/gdm or
> leave it as true, but change /etc/X11/default-display-manager to point
> to new gdm. (There may be a Debian Way to set this, but I couldn't find
> it and just used vi)


Thanks for answering! I looked in /etc/init.d/ and there was not a file
named gdm to edit on my system (mandrake 8.1). Anyhoo, in
/etc/X11/prefdm i noticed some code that looks like this:

preferred=
if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/desktop ]; then
	. /etc/sysconfig/desktop >/dev/null 2>&1
	[ -n "$DISPLAYMANAGER" ] && DESKTOP=$DISPLAYMANAGER
	if [ "$DESKTOP" = "GNOME" -o "$DESKTOP" = "Gnome" ]; then
		preferred=gdm
	elif [ "$DESKTOP" = "KDE" -o "$DESKTOP" = "KDE1" -o "$DESKTOP" = "KDE2"
]; then
		preferred=/usr/bin/kdm
	elif [ "$DESKTOP" = "AnotherLevel" ] ; then
                preferred=/usr/X11R6/bin/xdm
	fi
fi

Could I edit 'preferred-gdm' to 'preferred=/home/jason/garnome/gdm' ?

- Jason


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On Sun, 2002-09-01 at 03:35, Mario Vukelic wrote:

On Sun, 2002-09-01 at 05:20, Jason Trickett wrote:
> Hi.
> I installed gdm thru gnome-fifth-toe (garnome-0.13.1) and I wish to use
> this newer version as my login manager. Could someone point me in the
> right direction? Thanks.

> Prolly depends on distro. On debian I installed gdm into the garnome
> install directory (as root, but I don't know if that is needed [I
> figrured so because of pam interaction]. Everything else I installed as
> user). Then I edited /etc/init.d/gdm to point to the new gdm. Also,
> either set HEED_DEFAULT_DISPLAY_MANAGER=false in /etc/init.d/gdm or
> leave it as true, but change /etc/X11/default-display-manager to point
> to new gdm. (There may be a Debian Way to set this, but I couldn't find
> it and just used vi)


Thanks for answering! I looked in /etc/init.d/ and there was not a file named gdm to edit on my system (mandrake 8.1). Anyhoo, in /etc/X11/prefdm i noticed some code that looks like this:





preferred=


if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/desktop ]; then


	. /etc/sysconfig/desktop >/dev/null 2>&1


	[ -n "$DISPLAYMANAGER" ] && DESKTOP=$DISPLAYMANAGER


	if [ "$DESKTOP" = "GNOME" -o "$DESKTOP" = "Gnome" ]; then


		preferred=gdm


	elif [ "$DESKTOP" = "KDE" -o "$DESKTOP" = "KDE1" -o "$DESKTOP" = "KDE2" ]; then


		preferred=/usr/bin/kdm


	elif [ "$DESKTOP" = "AnotherLevel" ] ; then


                preferred=/usr/X11R6/bin/xdm


	fi


fi





Could I edit 'preferred-gdm' to 'preferred=/home/jason/garnome/gdm' ?





- Jason


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> Thanks for answering! I looked in /etc/init.d/ and there was not a file
> named gdm to edit on my system (mandrake 8.1).

Okay, as a warning, Mandrake does some really odd stuff with its X and *DM
startup scripts...

> Anyhoo, in /etc/X11/prefdm i noticed some code that looks like this:

> if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/desktop ]; then

> Could I edit 'preferred-gdm' to 'preferred=/home/jason/garnome/gdm' ?

No, it sounds like you want to edit environment variables set in
/etc/sysconfig/desktop. Or, you could just change /etc/inittab, but I'd
recommend attempting to do it 'The Mandrake Way' to begin with.

- Jeff

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Jeff Waugh wrote:

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>  
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>>Thanks for answering! I looked in /etc/init.d/ and there was not a file
>>named gdm to edit on my system (mandrake 8.1).
>>    
>>
>
>Okay, as a warning, Mandrake does some really odd stuff with its X and *DM
>startup scripts...
>
>  
>
>>Anyhoo, in /etc/X11/prefdm i noticed some code that looks like this:
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/desktop ]; then
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>  
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>>Could I edit 'preferred-gdm' to 'preferred=/home/jason/garnome/gdm' ?
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>
>No, it sounds like you want to edit environment variables set in
>/etc/sysconfig/desktop. Or, you could just change /etc/inittab, but I'd
>recommend attempting to do it 'The Mandrake Way' to begin with.
>
>- Jeff
>
Wow, this is getting weird! The only contents in my 
/etc/sysconfig/desktop file is:

DESKTOP="Gnome"

Isn't this where my default desktop choice is stored? Also, in 
/etc/inittab the last few lines are:

# Run xdm in runlevel 5
# xdm is now a separate service
x:5:respawn:/etc/X11/prefdm -nodaemon

Isn't this just pointing back to the 'prefdm' file I mentioned before? 
All this jumping around is making my head spin

:)

- Jason


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> Wow, this is getting weird! The only contents in my 
> /etc/sysconfig/desktop file is:
> 
> DESKTOP="Gnome"
> 
> Isn't this where my default desktop choice is stored? Also, in 
> /etc/inittab the last few lines are:
> 
> # Run xdm in runlevel 5
> # xdm is now a separate service
> x:5:respawn:/etc/X11/prefdm -nodaemon
> 
> Isn't this just pointing back to the 'prefdm' file I mentioned before? 

Yeah, but see that it chooses the *DM based on other variables that its
looking for, so I'm assuming you can set them in /etc/sysconfig/desktop as
prefdm sources that file.

> All this jumping around is making my head spin

Welcome to Mandrake. :-)

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> > Isn't this just pointing back to the 'prefdm' file I mentioned before? 
> 
> Yeah, but see that it chooses the *DM based on other variables that its
> looking for, so I'm assuming you can set them in /etc/sysconfig/desktop as
> prefdm sources that file.

(If you haven't added your own desktop stuff for GARNOME, just change the
prefdm script, but note that Mandrake will kill it off later when you
upgrade or whatever.)

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is anyone keeping track of package dependencies outside of gnome-desktop
yet?  I know Jeff asked if someone would before.  If no one is yet, I'd be
willing to compile a simple list if people want to send me what
dependencies they know.

Also totem needs xine more recent than installed in woody.  Anyone know
where I can find debs for xine?

Sean



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Hi Sean,

On Sun, 2002-09-01 at 11:43, Sean Proctor wrote:
> is anyone keeping track of package dependencies outside of gnome-desktop
> yet?  I know Jeff asked if someone would before.  If no one is yet, I'd be
> willing to compile a simple list if people want to send me what
> dependencies they know.

I thought about compiling a list with dependencies, but wasn't sure what
would be the best way to make it. Ideally, you'd like to have a list of
packages needed for the individual components in gnome-fifth-toe. 

However, I couldn't think of a way to do so, except for the brain-dead
"delete all -dev packages, try to compile, successively add the required
-dev packages". Doing that for each component of fifth-toe would take
ages ... (and isn't particularly interesting).

The dependencies I found for all of gnome-fifth-toe together, just by
using GARNOME over time, are these:
  libogg-dev
  libvorbis-dev
  libpspell-dev
  libltdl3-devel
  libxine-dev
Package names are Debian sid's names.

> Also totem needs xine more recent than installed in woody.  Anyone know
> where I can find debs for xine?

Just use the sid packages?

Martijn


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On Sun, 2002-09-01 at 15:56, Martijn Anthonissen wrote:
> The dependencies I found for all of gnome-fifth-toe together, just by
> using GARNOME over time, are these:
>   libogg-dev
>   libvorbis-dev
>   libpspell-dev
>   libltdl3-devel
                ^^

Sorry: skip the "el" there. The package name is libltdl3-dev.

>   libxine-dev
> Package names are Debian sid's names.



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On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 12:16:00AM +0200, Olivier Guéry wrote:
> 
> Le 2002.08.31 22:10, Sean Proctor a écrit :
> >On Sun, 1 Sep 2002, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> >
> >> 
> >>
> >> > >That may have confused configure -> kill it and try again.
> >> >
> >> > You think a  rpm -e ??
> >> >
> >> > I also got a libiconv 1.8 compiled and install.
> >>
> >> ^ ARGH! NO WONDER!
> >
> >That's a problem I've had too.  Perhaps I didn't read libiconv close
> >enough.  libiconv is only for systems without glibc (or maybe system
> >with
> >really ancient glibc).  I don't know why mandrake would give you the
> >option of installing it.  You definitely shouldn't have it though.
> >
> >Sean
> 
> True... Removing libiconv make teh compilation work without problems.
> 
> Thank's all.
> 
> nemo.
> 

ARGGGG !!!!
Without libiconv, balsa don't work...
what can I do ??
I can't find libiciconv.so in garnome...

nemo.


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when i try to compile ggv in gnome-fifth-toe i get the following error:


-rpath -Wl,/home/paessler/garnome/lib
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Stream_GetShort'
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Stream_ExitFrame'
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Stream_GetLong'
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Stream_Seek'
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Get_Next_Char'
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Stream_EnterFrame'
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Get_First_Char'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[5]: *** [ggv] Error 1
make[5]: Leaving directory
`/usr/src/pakete/garnome-0.14.1/gnome/ggv/work/ggv-1.99.90/src'
make[4]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[4]: Leaving directory
`/usr/src/pakete/garnome-0.14.1/gnome/ggv/work/ggv-1.99.90/src'
make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory
`/usr/src/pakete/garnome-0.14.1/gnome/ggv/work/ggv-1.99.90'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/usr/src/pakete/garnome-0.14.1/gnome/ggv/work/ggv-1.99.90'
make[1]: *** [build-work/ggv-1.99.90/Makefile] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/pakete/garnome-0.14.1/gnome/ggv'
make: *** [dep-../../gnome/ggv] Error 2

pango is installed properly, so what is wrong?
any suggestions?

thanks

daniel


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> However, I couldn't think of a way to do so, except for the brain-dead
> "delete all -dev packages, try to compile, successively add the required
> -dev packages". Doing that for each component of fifth-toe would take
> ages ... (and isn't particularly interesting).

Heh. :-)

> The dependencies I found for all of gnome-fifth-toe together, just by
> using GARNOME over time, are these:
>   libogg-dev
>   libvorbis-dev
>   libpspell-dev
>   libltdl3-devel
>   libxine-dev
> Package names are Debian sid's names.

What I'm thinking of doing is noting these in the garball Makefiles, then
building a set of reference pages from those.

I have to upgrade to upstream GAR anyway, so I'll look at it again some time
this week.

Thanks for these,

- Jeff

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Im' ruinning a Slackware 8.0 with Xfree 4.1
I've just downloaded all the Gnome 2.0.1 tarballs and I'm using garnome 
0.13.1
This is the error I get:


In file included from pangoxft-private.h:25,
                  from pangoxft-font.c:26:
pangoxft.h:64: parse error before `pango_xft_font_get_face'
pangoxft.h:64: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of 
`pango_xft_font_get_face'
pangoxft.h:64: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
In file included from pangoxft-font.c:27:
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:34: parse error before 
`_XftFTlibrary'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:34: warning: type defaults to 
`int' in declaration of `_XftFTlibrary'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:34: warning: data definition 
has no type or storage class
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:37: parse error before 
`FT_Face'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:37: warning: no semicolon at 
end of struct or union
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:41: parse error before `size'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:41: warning: type defaults to 
`int' in declaration of `size'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:41: warning: data definition 
has no type or storage class
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:54: parse error before `matrix'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:54: warning: type defaults to 
`int' in declaration of `matrix'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:54: warning: data definition 
has no type or storage class
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:71: parse error before `face'
pangoxft-font.c: In function `get_mini_font':
pangoxft-font.c:164: `FT_Face' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:164: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
pangoxft-font.c:164: for each function it appears in.)
pangoxft-font.c:164: parse error before `face'
pangoxft-font.c:176: `face' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:181: warning: implicit declaration of function 
`FT_Get_Char_Index'
pangoxft-font.c: In function `pango_xft_real_render':
pangoxft-font.c:290: `FT_Face' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:290: parse error before `face'
pangoxft-font.c:312: `face' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c: In function `pango_xft_font_get_coverage':
pangoxft-font.c:531: `FT_Face' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:531: parse error before `face'
pangoxft-font.c:544: `face' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:549: `FT_UInt' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:549: parse error before `gindex'
pangoxft-font.c:550: `FT_ULong' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:552: `charcode' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:552: warning: implicit declaration of function 
`FT_Get_First_Char'
pangoxft-font.c:552: `gindex' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:556: warning: implicit declaration of function 
`FT_Get_Next_Char'
pangoxft-font.c: At top level:
pangoxft-font.c:681: parse error before `face'
pangoxft-font.c: In function `set_unicode_charmap':
pangoxft-font.c:685: `face' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:686: `ft_encoding_unicode' undeclared (first use in 
this function)
pangoxft-font.c:688: `FT_Error' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:688: parse error before `error'
pangoxft-font.c:689: `error' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:689: `FT_Err_Ok' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c: In function `load_fallback_font':
pangoxft-font.c:717: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
pangoxft-font.c: In function `pango_xft_font_get_font':
pangoxft-font.c:766: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
pangoxft-font.c: At top level:
pangoxft-font.c:834: parse error before `pango_xft_font_get_face'
pangoxft-font.c:835: warning: return-type defaults to `int'
pangoxft-font.c: In function `pango_xft_font_get_face':
pangoxft-font.c:838: warning: return makes integer from pointer without 
a cast
pangoxft-font.c:843: warning: return makes integer from pointer without 
a cast
pangoxft-font.c:845: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
pangoxft-font.c:846: warning: control reaches end of non-void function
pangoxft-font.c: In function `pango_xft_font_get_ot_info':
pangoxft-font.c:867: `FT_Face' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:867: parse error before `face'
pangoxft-font.c:869: `face' undeclared (first use in this function)
make[7]: *** [pangoxft-font.lo] Error 1

I've already read something in the archive about freetype but usually 
they consider the package freetype itself and the errors were different 
anyway.Here it seems that the problem could be the headers of XFree or  
am I wrong?
Is there a solution?
Thanks a lot
Lorenzo

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> ARGGGG !!!!
> Without libiconv, balsa don't work...
> what can I do ??
> I can't find libiciconv.so in garnome...

It's fairly likely that balsa is broken (it's not in GARNOME yet for this
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On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 12:38:51AM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
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> 
> > ARGGGG !!!!
> > Without libiconv, balsa don't work...
> > what can I do ??
> > I can't find libiciconv.so in garnome...
> 
> It's fairly likely that balsa is broken (it's not in GARNOME yet for this
> reason).
> 

Cool :o) What can I use to read mail ?? I like mutt, but, I like graphical tools too...

What do you recommand me (is there anyone with gnome 2 compatibility ?)
Pygmy, spurce, sylpheed...

I use fetchmail to get my mail came in, I just need someting to read my ~/Mail folder.
Evolution is eavy, and I can't configure it just to read the difrent file of my ~/Mail folder. 

Thank

nemo.

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> Cool :o) What can I use to read mail ?? I like mutt, but, I like graphical
> tools too...
> 
> What do you recommand me (is there anyone with gnome 2 compatibility ?)
> Pygmy, spurce, sylpheed...

If you like Balsa, why don't you install the 1.x packages for your
distribution?

- Jeff

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On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 01:03:30AM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
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> 
> > Cool :o) What can I use to read mail ?? I like mutt, but, I like graphical
> > tools too...
> > 
> > What do you recommand me (is there anyone with gnome 2 compatibility ?)
> > Pygmy, spurce, sylpheed...
> 
> If you like Balsa, why don't you install the 1.x packages for your
> distribution?
> 
> - Jeff

because if I tried to compile balsa 1.4.0 here is the result :

/sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:71: undefined reference to `libiconv_close'
../libmutt/libmutt.a(rfc2047.o): In function `try_block':
/sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:245: undefined reference to `libiconv'
/sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:245: undefined reference to `libiconv'
/sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:253: undefined reference to `libiconv_close'
/sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:249: undefined reference to `libiconv_close'
../libmutt/libmutt.a(rfc2047.o): In function `encode_block':
/sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:316: undefined reference to `libiconv'
/sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:317: undefined reference to `libiconv'
/sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:319: undefined reference to `libiconv_close'
../libmutt/libmutt.a(sendlib.o): In function `convert_file_to':
/sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/sendlib.c:725: undefined reference to `libiconv'
/sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/sendlib.c:749: undefined reference to `libiconv'
/sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/sendlib.c:808: undefined reference to `libiconv_close'
/sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/sendlib.c:810: undefined reference to `libiconv_close'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[2]: *** [balsa] Erreur 1
make[2]: Quitte le répertoire `/sources/balsa-1.4.0/src'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Erreur 1
make[1]: Quitte le répertoire `/sources/balsa-1.4.0'
make: *** [all-recursive-am] Erreur 2

It seems that he need libiconv too...
And runing my old balsa binari say that he need libiconv.so.2

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On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 05:10:39PM +0200, Olivier Guéry wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 01:03:30AM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > Cool :o) What can I use to read mail ?? I like mutt, but, I like graphical
> > > tools too...
> > > 
> > > What do you recommand me (is there anyone with gnome 2 compatibility ?)
> > > Pygmy, spurce, sylpheed...
> > 
> > If you like Balsa, why don't you install the 1.x packages for your
> > distribution?
> > 
> > - Jeff
> 
> because if I tried to compile balsa 1.4.0 here is the result :
> 
> /sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:71: undefined reference to `libiconv_close'
> ../libmutt/libmutt.a(rfc2047.o): In function `try_block':
> /sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:245: undefined reference to `libiconv'
> /sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:245: undefined reference to `libiconv'
> /sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:253: undefined reference to `libiconv_close'
> /sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:249: undefined reference to `libiconv_close'
> ../libmutt/libmutt.a(rfc2047.o): In function `encode_block':
> /sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:316: undefined reference to `libiconv'
> /sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:317: undefined reference to `libiconv'
> /sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:319: undefined reference to `libiconv_close'
> ../libmutt/libmutt.a(sendlib.o): In function `convert_file_to':
> /sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/sendlib.c:725: undefined reference to `libiconv'
> /sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/sendlib.c:749: undefined reference to `libiconv'
> /sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/sendlib.c:808: undefined reference to `libiconv_close'
> /sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/sendlib.c:810: undefined reference to `libiconv_close'
> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
> make[2]: *** [balsa] Erreur 1
> make[2]: Quitte le répertoire `/sources/balsa-1.4.0/src'
> make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Erreur 1
> make[1]: Quitte le répertoire `/sources/balsa-1.4.0'
> make: *** [all-recursive-am] Erreur 2
> 
> It seems that he need libiconv too...
> And runing my old balsa binari say that he need libiconv.so.2
> 
> nemo.
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Sorry, I delet my balsa source and rebuilt it and it works... Sorry but It must be on of the mistery of the computers...

Once again, thanks for your help... And I expect balsa gone work with gnome 2...

nemo.

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Daniel,

'LD' is the gnu linker. The reason for your stream of errors is that 
code which calls libpangoft2 was compiled and then attempted to be 
linked, but the linker couldn't find the library this is probably because:

a) When you originally compiled pango, it didn't recognize freetype and 
didn't compile the libpangoft2 library. A quick way to check for this is 
to become root and type "ldconfig -v | less". Look through the resulting 
output for libpangoft2. Not there? Go back to pango and make sure that 
everything in pango is really compiling.

b) libpangoft2 did compile, and you have verified this by step (a). The 
probable culprit now is that somehow, the compiler didn't get passed the 
"-lpangoft2" option when it should have. Since I haven't yet built the 
most recent ggv, I can only conjecture as to the problem:

    - ggv's makefiles / ./configure are broken, and don't properly find 
pango.
    - pkgconfig is somehow not finding 
/lib/pkgconfig/pangoft2.pc,
      and therefore `pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0` isn't supplying the
      -lpangoft2 switch as it's supposed to

Hope this helps,

Idan



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>when i try to compile ggv in gnome-fifth-toe i get the following error:
>
>
>-rpath -Wl,/home/paessler/garnome/lib
>/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
>`FT_Stream_GetShort'
>/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
>`FT_Stream_ExitFrame'
>/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
>`FT_Stream_GetLong'
>/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
>`FT_Stream_Seek'
>/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
>`FT_Get_Next_Char'
>/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
>`FT_Stream_EnterFrame'
>/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
>`FT_Get_First_Char'
>collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
>
>  
>


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first, thank you for your explanation...i checked this and now
i am _very_ confused, look why:
btw. the directory /opt/gnome2 is a symlink to ~/garnome, so that
shouldn't confuse you

root@iphigenie:/ > ldconfig -v | grep libpangoft2
	
	libpangoft2-1.0.so.0 -> libpangoft2-1.0.so.0.0.4

this one is in my garnome directory...so going on:

root@iphigenie:/ > pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0
 -L/home/paessler/garnome/lib -lgtk-x11-2.0 -lgdk-x11-2.0
-lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lm -lpangoxft-1.0 -lpangox-1.0 -lpango-1.0 -latk-1.0
-lgobject-2.0 -lgmodule-2.0 -ldl -lglib-2.0  

as you can see, no libpangoft2, but why?

root@iphigenie:/ > pkg-config --libs pangoft2
 -L/home/paessler/garnome/lib -lpangoft2-1.0 -lpango-1.0 -lgobject-2.0
-lgmodule-2.0 -ldl -lglib-2.0  

it is there, really! and the .pc file also is where it should be:

root@iphigenie:/ > ls /opt/gnome2/lib/pkgconfig/pan*
/opt/gnome2/lib/pkgconfig/pango.pc    
/opt/gnome2/lib/pkgconfig/pangox.pc
/opt/gnome2/lib/pkgconfig/pangoft2.pc 
/opt/gnome2/lib/pkgconfig/pangoxft.pc

and at last:

root@iphigenie:/ > export |grep PKG_
declare -x PKG_CONFIG_PATH="/opt/gnome2/lib/pkgconfig"



Am Son, 2002-09-01 um 18.43 schrieb Idan Gazit:
> Daniel,
> 
> 'LD' is the gnu linker. The reason for your stream of errors is that 
> code which calls libpangoft2 was compiled and then attempted to be 
> linked, but the linker couldn't find the library this is probably because:
> 
> a) When you originally compiled pango, it didn't recognize freetype and 
> didn't compile the libpangoft2 library. A quick way to check for this is 
> to become root and type "ldconfig -v | less". Look through the resulting 
> output for libpangoft2. Not there? Go back to pango and make sure that 
> everything in pango is really compiling.
> 
> b) libpangoft2 did compile, and you have verified this by step (a). The 
> probable culprit now is that somehow, the compiler didn't get passed the 
> "-lpangoft2" option when it should have. Since I haven't yet built the 
> most recent ggv, I can only conjecture as to the problem:
> 
>     - ggv's makefiles / ./configure are broken, and don't properly find 
> pango.
>     - pkgconfig is somehow not finding 
> /lib/pkgconfig/pangoft2.pc,
>       and therefore `pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0` isn't supplying the
>       -lpangoft2 switch as it's supposed to
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> Idan
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Daniel Paessler wrote:
> 
> >when i try to compile ggv in gnome-fifth-toe i get the following error:
> >
> >
> >-rpath -Wl,/home/paessler/garnome/lib
> >/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
> >`FT_Stream_GetShort'
> >/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
> >`FT_Stream_ExitFrame'
> >/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
> >`FT_Stream_GetLong'
> >/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
> >`FT_Stream_Seek'
> >/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
> >`FT_Get_Next_Char'
> >/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
> >`FT_Stream_EnterFrame'
> >/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
> >`FT_Get_First_Char'
> >collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
> >
> >  
> >
> 
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Have you got it working already?

I have it working here, the Mandrake-way I believe :-)
But it is a while ago I set this up, so I would need to dig into it
again as well.

But I can do the digging if you still need it.

-A.

su, 01-09-2002 kello 11:37, Jason Trickett kirjoitti:
>=20
>=20
> Jeff Waugh wrote:
>=20
> >
> >
> > =20
> >
> >>Thanks for answering! I looked in /etc/init.d/ and there was not a file
> >>named gdm to edit on my system (mandrake 8.1).
> >>   =20
> >>
> >
> >Okay, as a warning, Mandrake does some really odd stuff with its X and *=
DM
> >startup scripts...
> >
> > =20
> >
> >>Anyhoo, in /etc/X11/prefdm i noticed some code that looks like this:
> >>   =20
> >>
> >
> > =20
> >
> >>if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/desktop ]; then
> >>   =20
> >>
> >
> > =20
> >
> >>Could I edit 'preferred-gdm' to 'preferred=3D/home/jason/garnome/gdm' ?
> >>   =20
> >>
> >
> >No, it sounds like you want to edit environment variables set in
> >/etc/sysconfig/desktop. Or, you could just change /etc/inittab, but I'd
> >recommend attempting to do it 'The Mandrake Way' to begin with.
> >
> >- Jeff
> >
> Wow, this is getting weird! The only contents in my=20
> /etc/sysconfig/desktop file is:
>=20
> DESKTOP=3D"Gnome"
>=20
> Isn't this where my default desktop choice is stored? Also, in=20
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>=20
> # Run xdm in runlevel 5
> # xdm is now a separate service
> x:5:respawn:/etc/X11/prefdm -nodaemon
>=20
> Isn't this just pointing back to the 'prefdm' file I mentioned before?=20
> All this jumping around is making my head spin
>=20
> :)
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> - Jason
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Daniel,

I looked into the ggv configure script and dug out the actual libraries 
it asks for:

~$ pkg-config --libs "libgnomeui-2.0 >= 1.96.0"

somewhere in the list this produces should be -lpangoft2-1.0. My 
apologies for the earlier mistake, it isn't "gtk+-2.0" that's checked in 
ggv's configure.

So, the root of the issue remains -- somewhere in your configure script 
there should be a "-lpangoft2-1.0 detected.

Try the following:

1) rm -rf your ggv dir
2) unpack a clean tarball
3) cd to it and:

./configure --enable-platform-gnome-2 --with-x --prefix=

Look at the scrolling text. At some point (this is usually accompanied 
by a sudden jump in text, because it is a sudden whole lot of text) 
there should be a listing of includes and libraries:

...
Checking GGV_CFLAGS -I ... -I ... -I ... 
Checking GGV_LIBS -l... -l... -l... 
...

Somewhere in GGV_LIBS there should be a -lpangoft2-1.0, if there isn't, 
then something is screwed up with your pkg-config after all. If there 
is, go on to compile it, and I don't think you should have the same 
problem you had before.

-Idan


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Hi,

Just downloaded, compiled and installed Garnome 0.14.0 after a long 
break from the 0.13.0

Unfortunately, my keyboard still does not repeat characters in the 
terminal or anywhere. I can just type one character at a time if I press 
a key and to repeat the character, I have to press the key again unlike 
usually when you just keep the key pressed to repeat the characters .

The themes metal, redmond do not work !! just as they did not work in 
the 0.13.0 but, did in 0.12.0

My battery applet still does not show up in the top Main menu panel. 
Altough, I can see it as an entry in the GConf-Editor. Now, If I cannot 
enjoy it, If somebody could tell me how to remove this invisible applet 
from the Main Menu panel.

Which is the file/directory in a users home directory which contains 
details/descriptions about all the applets added to all the panels on 
screen?


************ Suggestion ************

Is there any way I can use IceWM window manager with Garnome? I just 
like it a lot for it's numerous cool features and have been using it 
with Gnome 1.4 for a long time now.

Wow, Looks like we finally have the Favourites sub-menu in the main 
Garnome Menu. Now, if only we could have an option in the right-click 
pop-up menu of each item in the Menu as "Add to Favourites" and that 
particular item would be added to the Favourites sub-menu.

**************************************

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begin  Jeff Waugh  quotation:
> What I'm thinking of doing is noting these in the garball Makefiles,
> then building a set of reference pages from those.
> 
> I have to upgrade to upstream GAR anyway, so I'll look at it again
> some time this week.

	It's probably worth doing anyway, as it has fixed some
potential gotchas with the way certain rules were laid out.

	See bugs 76 and 77 in the BBC BTS:

http://bugs.lnx-bbc.org/bugs/db/76/76.html
http://bugs.lnx-bbc.org/bugs/db/77/77.html

-- 
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as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. 
      -- http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm    (search for "Boston")

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Ok, lets see how I did this. Keep in mind I might not have gotten
everuthing the Mandrake-way, but it works for me.

Runlevel 5 starts /etc/X11/prefdm which reads /etc/sysconfig/desktop.
This config file tells prefdm the display-manager you would like to use.
I needed to modify prefdm in order for it to accept a new option (gdm2)
in the 'desktop'-file.

This is the diff for prefdm :

--- prefdm.rpmnew	Fri Mar 15 17:46:41 2002
+++ prefdm	Tue May  7 22:57:51 2002
@@ -41,6 +41,8 @@
 	[ -z "$DISPLAYMANAGER" ] && DISPLAYMANAGER=3D$DESKTOP
 	if [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "GDM" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "gdm" -o
"$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "GNOME" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "gnome" -o
"$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "Gnome" ]; then
 		preferred=3Dgdm
+	elif [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "GDM2" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "gdm2" -o
"$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "GNOME2" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "gnome2" -o
"$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "Gnome2" ]; then
+		preferred=3D/opt/garnome/bin/start-gdm
 	elif [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "KDM" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "kdm" -o
"$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "KDE" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "kde" ]; then
 		preferred=3Dkdm
 	elif [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "XDM" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "xdm" ] ; the=
n


As you can see a variable 'preferred' is used for launching the
display-manager in the end of the script. I need to set the full path to
a start-gdm script, because my gnome2 installation is not in the default
path.

I didn't call gdm directly because I did want to have anti-aliasing and
so on. So I created the following script called 'gdm-start'

#!/bin/sh
export PATH=3D/opt/garnome/bin:/opt/garnome/sbin:$PATH
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=3D/opt/garnome/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
export GDK_USE_XFT=3D1
exec /opt/garnome/bin/gdm -nodeamon

As you can see it start gdm. Now you are almost fully operational. But
off course you want to have gdm list all sessions Mandrake knows about.
For this I modified the gdm configuration (for me in
/opt/garnome/etc/gdm/gdm.conf) to point to the normal session
directories.

Here the config lines I changed :

[daemon]
PostSessionScriptDir=3D/etc/X11/gdm/PostSession/
PreSessionScriptDir=3D/etc/X11/gdm/PreSession/
SessionDir=3D/etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/

(I am not sure if more changes were need like rootpath etc.)
Next step is to make Gnome2 show up as an option in the session-list

For this I first add a file called 'Gnome2' to /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/
with the following content :

#!/bin/sh
exec /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession Gnome2


This is the same way other sessions are started, and luckily no
modification are needed to the Xsession-script as is actually expected
to easily add new Sessions.
This script uses a script called /usr/sbin/chksession to do the session
specific startup. This script looks in /etc/X11/wmsession.d.
In this 'wmsession.d' directory I add a file called '01Gnome2'. You can
give it another number if you like, but have it at number one makes it
the default session.
The '01Gnome2' file looks like this:

NAME=3DGnome2
ICON=3Dgnome-logo-icon-transparent.xpm
DESC=3DGnome2 Environment
EXEC=3D/usr/bin/startgnome2
SCRIPT:
exec /usr/bin/startgnome2


As you see it starts Gnome2 through a 'startgnome2' script. I didn't
create this script anew, instead I just copied the orginal 'startgnome'
script and made some modifications to it.
Here a diff of the modifications :

@@ -45,4 +45,8 @@
   echo $MDKVERSION > $HOME/.gnome/mdkversion
 fi
=20
-exec /usr/bin/gnome-session
+export PATH=3D/opt/garnome/bin:/opt/garnome/sbin:$PATH
+export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=3D/opt/garnome/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH=20
+export GDK_USE_XFT=3D1
+
+exec /opt/garnome/bin/gnome-session


As you can see it starts gnome-session and sets the correct
env-variables so I do have smooth anti-aliasing and so.

After all this you should have a nice anti-aliased gdm2 listing a gnome2
session, which also starts with anti-aliasing enabled.

Have fun,

-A.

ma, 02-09-2002 kello 00:55, Jason Trickett kirjoitti:
> Hi. I still haven't got it working yet. I would be great if you could
> walk me thru it "the Mandrake way".=20
>=20
> - J
>=20
>=20
> On Sun, 2002-09-01 at 15:56, Aschwin van der Woude wrote:
>=20
>     Have you got it working already?
>    =20
>     I have it working here, the Mandrake-way I believe :-)
>     But it is a while ago I set this up, so I would need to dig into it
>     again as well.
>    =20
>     But I can do the digging if you still need it.
>    =20
>     -A.
>    =20
>     su, 01-09-2002 kello 11:37, Jason Trickett kirjoitti:
>     >=20
>     >=20
>     > Jeff Waugh wrote:
>     >=20
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > =20
>     > >
>     > >>Thanks for answering! I looked in /etc/init.d/ and there was not =
a file
>     > >>named gdm to edit on my system (mandrake 8.1).
>     > >>   =20
>     > >>
>     > >
>     > >Okay, as a warning, Mandrake does some really odd stuff with its X=
 and *DM
>     > >startup scripts...
>     > >
>     > > =20
>     > >
>     > >>Anyhoo, in /etc/X11/prefdm i noticed some code that looks like th=
is:
>     > >>   =20
>     > >>
>     > >
>     > > =20
>     > >
>     > >>if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/desktop ]; then
>     > >>   =20
>     > >>
>     > >
>     > > =20
>     > >
>     > >>Could I edit 'preferred-gdm' to 'preferred=3D/home/jason/garnome/=
gdm' ?
>     > >>   =20
>     > >>
>     > >
>     > >No, it sounds like you want to edit environment variables set in
>     > >/etc/sysconfig/desktop. Or, you could just change /etc/inittab, bu=
t I'd
>     > >recommend attempting to do it 'The Mandrake Way' to begin with.
>     > >
>     > >- Jeff
>     > >
>     > Wow, this is getting weird! The only contents in my=20
>     > /etc/sysconfig/desktop file is:
>     >=20
>     > DESKTOP=3D"Gnome"
>     >=20
>     > Isn't this where my default desktop choice is stored? Also, in=20
>     > /etc/inittab the last few lines are:
>     >=20
>     > # Run xdm in runlevel 5
>     > # xdm is now a separate service
>     > x:5:respawn:/etc/X11/prefdm -nodaemon
>     >=20
>     > Isn't this just pointing back to the 'prefdm' file I mentioned befo=
re?=20
>     > All this jumping around is making my head spin
>     >=20
>     > :)
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>     > - Jason
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Hey Aschwin! Thanks a lot for the effort you put in to your reply! It
indeed looked like a lot of digging ;)
I'm going to be attempting this later today. I have one question,
though, about the /usr/bin/startgnome2 script I will be creating. Should
I be just adding the lines ...

    exec /usr/bin/gnome-session
    export PATH=/opt/garnome/bin:/opt/garnome/sbin:$PATH
    export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/garnome/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH 
    export GDK_USE_XFT=1
    exec /opt/garnome/bin/gnome-session

... to my startgnome file at the end, then saving it as startgnome2
(changing /opt to /home/jason)? I'm not as experienced at this kind of
thing yet, so it wasn't obvious to me.

Hope to hear back!

- Jason


On Mon, 2002-09-02 at 02:42, Aschwin van der Woude wrote:

    Ok, lets see how I did this. Keep in mind I might not have gotten
    everuthing the Mandrake-way, but it works for me.
    
    Runlevel 5 starts /etc/X11/prefdm which reads /etc/sysconfig/desktop.
    This config file tells prefdm the display-manager you would like to use.
    I needed to modify prefdm in order for it to accept a new option (gdm2)
    in the 'desktop'-file.
    
    This is the diff for prefdm :
    
    --- prefdm.rpmnew	Fri Mar 15 17:46:41 2002
    +++ prefdm	Tue May  7 22:57:51 2002
    @@ -41,6 +41,8 @@
     	[ -z "$DISPLAYMANAGER" ] && DISPLAYMANAGER=$DESKTOP
     	if [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "GDM" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "gdm" -o
    "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "GNOME" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "gnome" -o
    "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "Gnome" ]; then
     		preferred=gdm
    +	elif [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "GDM2" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "gdm2" -o
    "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "GNOME2" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "gnome2" -o
    "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "Gnome2" ]; then
    +		preferred=/opt/garnome/bin/start-gdm
     	elif [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "KDM" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "kdm" -o
    "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "KDE" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "kde" ]; then
     		preferred=kdm
     	elif [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "XDM" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "xdm" ] ; then
    
    
    As you can see a variable 'preferred' is used for launching the
    display-manager in the end of the script. I need to set the full path to
    a start-gdm script, because my gnome2 installation is not in the default
    path.
    
    I didn't call gdm directly because I did want to have anti-aliasing and
    so on. So I created the following script called 'gdm-start'
    
    #!/bin/sh
    export PATH=/opt/garnome/bin:/opt/garnome/sbin:$PATH
    export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/garnome/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
    export GDK_USE_XFT=1
    exec /opt/garnome/bin/gdm -nodeamon
    
    As you can see it start gdm. Now you are almost fully operational. But
    off course you want to have gdm list all sessions Mandrake knows about.
    For this I modified the gdm configuration (for me in
    /opt/garnome/etc/gdm/gdm.conf) to point to the normal session
    directories.
    
    Here the config lines I changed :
    
    [daemon]
    PostSessionScriptDir=/etc/X11/gdm/PostSession/
    PreSessionScriptDir=/etc/X11/gdm/PreSession/
    SessionDir=/etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/
    
    (I am not sure if more changes were need like rootpath etc.)
    Next step is to make Gnome2 show up as an option in the session-list
    
    For this I first add a file called 'Gnome2' to /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/
    with the following content :
    
    #!/bin/sh
    exec /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession Gnome2
    
    
    This is the same way other sessions are started, and luckily no
    modification are needed to the Xsession-script as is actually expected
    to easily add new Sessions.
    This script uses a script called /usr/sbin/chksession to do the session
    specific startup. This script looks in /etc/X11/wmsession.d.
    In this 'wmsession.d' directory I add a file called '01Gnome2'. You can
    give it another number if you like, but have it at number one makes it
    the default session.
    The '01Gnome2' file looks like this:
    
    NAME=Gnome2
    ICON=gnome-logo-icon-transparent.xpm
    DESC=Gnome2 Environment
    EXEC=/usr/bin/startgnome2
    SCRIPT:
    exec /usr/bin/startgnome2
    
    
    As you see it starts Gnome2 through a 'startgnome2' script. I didn't
    create this script anew, instead I just copied the orginal 'startgnome'
    script and made some modifications to it.
    Here a diff of the modifications :
    
    @@ -45,4 +45,8 @@
       echo $MDKVERSION > $HOME/.gnome/mdkversion
     fi
     
    -exec /usr/bin/gnome-session
    +export PATH=/opt/garnome/bin:/opt/garnome/sbin:$PATH
    +export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/garnome/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH 
    +export GDK_USE_XFT=1
    +
    +exec /opt/garnome/bin/gnome-session
    
    
    As you can see it starts gnome-session and sets the correct
    env-variables so I do have smooth anti-aliasing and so.
    
    After all this you should have a nice anti-aliased gdm2 listing a gnome2
    session, which also starts with anti-aliasing enabled.
    
    Have fun,
    
    -A.
    

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Hey Aschwin! Thanks a lot for the effort you put in to your reply! It indeed looked like a lot of digging ;)


I'm going to be attempting this later today. I have one question, though, about the /usr/bin/startgnome2 script I will be creating. Should I be just adding the lines ...
    


exec /usr/bin/gnome-session
export PATH=/opt/garnome/bin:/opt/garnome/sbin:$PATH
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/garnome/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH 
export GDK_USE_XFT=1
exec /opt/garnome/bin/gnome-session

    

... to my startgnome file at the end, then saving it as startgnome2 (changing /opt to /home/jason)? I'm not as experienced at this kind of thing yet, so it wasn't obvious to me.





Hope to hear back!





- Jason








On Mon, 2002-09-02 at 02:42, Aschwin van der Woude wrote:
    


Ok, lets see how I did this. Keep in mind I might not have gotten
everuthing the Mandrake-way, but it works for me.

Runlevel 5 starts /etc/X11/prefdm which reads /etc/sysconfig/desktop.
This config file tells prefdm the display-manager you would like to use.
I needed to modify prefdm in order for it to accept a new option (gdm2)
in the 'desktop'-file.

This is the diff for prefdm :

--- prefdm.rpmnew	Fri Mar 15 17:46:41 2002
+++ prefdm	Tue May  7 22:57:51 2002
@@ -41,6 +41,8 @@
 	[ -z "$DISPLAYMANAGER" ] && DISPLAYMANAGER=$DESKTOP
 	if [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "GDM" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "gdm" -o
"$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "GNOME" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "gnome" -o
"$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "Gnome" ]; then
 		preferred=gdm
+	elif [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "GDM2" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "gdm2" -o
"$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "GNOME2" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "gnome2" -o
"$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "Gnome2" ]; then
+		preferred=/opt/garnome/bin/start-gdm
 	elif [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "KDM" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "kdm" -o
"$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "KDE" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "kde" ]; then
 		preferred=kdm
 	elif [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "XDM" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "xdm" ] ; then


As you can see a variable 'preferred' is used for launching the
display-manager in the end of the script. I need to set the full path to
a start-gdm script, because my gnome2 installation is not in the default
path.

I didn't call gdm directly because I did want to have anti-aliasing and
so on. So I created the following script called 'gdm-start'

#!/bin/sh
export PATH=/opt/garnome/bin:/opt/garnome/sbin:$PATH
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/garnome/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
export GDK_USE_XFT=1
exec /opt/garnome/bin/gdm -nodeamon

As you can see it start gdm. Now you are almost fully operational. But
off course you want to have gdm list all sessions Mandrake knows about.
For this I modified the gdm configuration (for me in
/opt/garnome/etc/gdm/gdm.conf) to point to the normal session
directories.

Here the config lines I changed :

[daemon]
PostSessionScriptDir=/etc/X11/gdm/PostSession/
PreSessionScriptDir=/etc/X11/gdm/PreSession/
SessionDir=/etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/

(I am not sure if more changes were need like rootpath etc.)
Next step is to make Gnome2 show up as an option in the session-list

For this I first add a file called 'Gnome2' to /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/
with the following content :

#!/bin/sh
exec /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession Gnome2


This is the same way other sessions are started, and luckily no
modification are needed to the Xsession-script as is actually expected
to easily add new Sessions.
This script uses a script called /usr/sbin/chksession to do the session
specific startup. This script looks in /etc/X11/wmsession.d.
In this 'wmsession.d' directory I add a file called '01Gnome2'. You can
give it another number if you like, but have it at number one makes it
the default session.
The '01Gnome2' file looks like this:

NAME=Gnome2
ICON=gnome-logo-icon-transparent.xpm
DESC=Gnome2 Environment
EXEC=/usr/bin/startgnome2
SCRIPT:
exec /usr/bin/startgnome2


As you see it starts Gnome2 through a 'startgnome2' script. I didn't
create this script anew, instead I just copied the orginal 'startgnome'
script and made some modifications to it.
Here a diff of the modifications :

@@ -45,4 +45,8 @@
   echo $MDKVERSION > $HOME/.gnome/mdkversion
 fi
 
-exec /usr/bin/gnome-session
+export PATH=/opt/garnome/bin:/opt/garnome/sbin:$PATH
+export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/garnome/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH 
+export GDK_USE_XFT=1
+
+exec /opt/garnome/bin/gnome-session


As you can see it starts gnome-session and sets the correct
env-variables so I do have smooth anti-aliasing and so.

After all this you should have a nice anti-aliased gdm2 listing a gnome2
session, which also starts with anti-aliasing enabled.

Have fun,

-A.


    




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> Hey Aschwin! Thanks a lot for the effort you put in to your reply! It
> indeed looked like a lot of digging ;)

No problem. No I am assured again I did the Mandrake way as much as I
can.

> I'm going to be attempting this later today. I have one question,
> though, about the /usr/bin/startgnome2 script I will be creating. Should
> I be just adding the lines ...
>=20
>     exec /usr/bin/gnome-session
>     export PATH=3D/opt/garnome/bin:/opt/garnome/sbin:$PATH
>     export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=3D/opt/garnome/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH=20
>     export GDK_USE_XFT=3D1
>     exec /opt/garnome/bin/gnome-session
>=20
> ... to my startgnome file at the end, then saving it as startgnome2
> (changing /opt to /home/jason)? I'm not as experienced at this kind of
> thing yet, so it wasn't obvious to me.

Place it in the end, instead of the beginning.

You can also feed those diff's to patch, but perhaps a manual edit is
easier.

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Hi,

Just downloaded, compiled and installed Garnome 0.14.0 after a long 
break from the 0.13.0

Unfortunately, my keyboard still does not repeat characters in the 
terminal or anywhere. I can just type one character at a time if I press 
a key and to repeat the character, I have to press the key again unlike 
usually when you just keep the key pressed to repeat the characters .

The themes metal, redmond do not work !! just as they did not work in 
the 0.13.0 but, did in 0.12.0

My battery applet still does not show up in the top Main menu panel. 
Altough, I can see it as an entry in the GConf-Editor. Now, If I cannot 
enjoy it, If somebody could tell me how to remove this invisible applet 
from the Main Menu panel.

Which is the file/directory in a users home directory which contains 
details/descriptions about all the applets added to all the panels on 
screen?


************ Suggestion ************

Is there any way I can use IceWM window manager with Garnome? I just 
like it a lot for it's numerous cool features and have been using it 
with Gnome 1.4 for a long time now.

Wow, Looks like we finally have the Favourites sub-menu in the main 
Garnome Menu. Now, if only we could have an option in the right-click 
pop-up menu of each item in the Menu as "Add to Favourites" and that 
particular item would be added to the Favourites sub-menu.

**************************************

Thanks in advance,
Sandeep

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Hey everybody,

I've been working with gcc 2.95.3 since, well, since I compiled my distro.

I'm curious to hear what people have to say about gcc 3.2 and "the 
switch" -- are there problem compiling different things with gcc 3.2? 
Any inherent problems with the 3.x series? Bottom line, should I switch?

Apparently gcc 2.95.3 + -mcpu=i686 causes problems (at least, it makes 
gcc segfault while compiling libvorbis, and apparently isn't a good 
mix). But my garnome seems to be OK...

Just curious to find out before I garnome again :)

-Idan


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Garnome seems to work fine when compiled with gcc 3.x, I use 3.1 myself.
Problems will arise when you compile c++-programs which use libraries
compiled with an earlier version of gcc. There were even some c++ ABI
changes from 3.1 to 3.2.
But gnome is written in C so this won't cause any problems.

-A.

ma, 02-09-2002 kello 20:42, Idan Gazit kirjoitti:
> Hey everybody,
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Hi,

I think this has something to do with the problem of not being able to 
have themes working in Garnome 0.14.x

Window manager warning: Failed to read theme from file 
/home/sandeepk/garnome/share/themes/Metal/metacity-1/metacity-theme-1.xml: 
Failed to open file 
'/home/sandeepk/garnome/share/themes/Metal/metacity-1/metacity-theme-1.xml': 
No such file or directory

Thanks in advance,
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On Mon, 2002-09-02 at 22:28, Sandeep Khanna wrote:

> Window manager warning: Failed to read theme from file 
> /home/sandeepk/garnome/share/themes/Metal/metacity-1/metacity-theme-1.xml: 
> Failed to open file 
> '/home/sandeepk/garnome/share/themes/Metal/metacity-1/metacity-theme-1.xml': 
> No such file or directory

There seems to have been a change in metacity theme structure:

cd Metal
mkdir metacity-1
mv * metacity-1

Now the dir structure is right. Then do

metacity-theme-viewer Metal

IIRC it will tell you something about 'window type="border"' not being
set in Metal/metacity-1/metacity-theme-1.xml not being set. Add what it
says you should (IIRC adding 
should do it [there is a bunch of other window type="border" tags in the
file, just add it])
Now, 'metacity-theme-viewer Metal' should work. If so, you can use the
theme







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Hello,

I've been using garnome eversince and not seen this problem until
0.14.1. After building, the gnome2 menus isn't showing up?
(Applications) Is this a known bug?. Im using RH7.3

Thanks for any info

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> I've been using garnome eversince and not seen this problem until
> 0.14.1. After building, the gnome2 menus isn't showing up?
> (Applications) Is this a known bug?. Im using RH7.3

Please read the GARNOME release notes - yes, it is a known bug.

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Hi,

making "make install" with gcc-3.2 in .../ a lot of errors like:

cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/root/garnome/include
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-D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -I/root/garnome/include/gstreamer-0.4.0
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-I/root/garnome/include -O2 -pipe -g -I/root/garnome/include -c
gstaasink.c -MT libgstaasink_la-gstaasink.lo -MD -MP -MF
.deps/libgstaasink_la-gstaasink.TPlo  -fPIC -DPIC -o
libgstaasink_la-gstaasink.lo
cc1: changing search order for system directory "/usr/local/include"
cc1:   as it has already been specified as a non-system directory
make[3]: *** [libgstaasink_la-gstaasink.lo] Error 1

If the -Werror option is removed from the corresponding Makefile, make
continues. But it would be better to remove the -I/usr/local/include
option at a central place. 

	With best regards
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Hi,

I forget to enter the correct path in my last mail. Therefore once more

making "make install" with gcc-3.2 in 
.../garnome-0.14.1/meta/gnome-fifth-toe gives a lot of errors like:

cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/root/garnome/include
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gstaasink.c -MT libgstaasink_la-gstaasink.lo -MD -MP -MF
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libgstaasink_la-gstaasink.lo
cc1: changing search order for system directory "/usr/local/include"
cc1:   as it has already been specified as a non-system directory
make[3]: *** [libgstaasink_la-gstaasink.lo] Error 1

If the -Werror option is removed from the corresponding Makefile, make
continues. But it would be better to remove the -I/usr/local/include
option at a central place. 

        With best regards
                Juergen



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Reverting back to the previous version of gnome-vfs (2.0.2) will solve
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Hi,

I had a very similar problem. The configure script detected the freetype
that was already installed on my system (2.0.5), instead of the one that
Garnome downloads and builds for you. The way I solved it was to modify the
Garnome Makefile under the freetype folder to make it download freetype
2.0.5. You could also manually install a more recent freetype version on
your system.

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when i try to compile ggv in gnome-fifth-toe i get the following error:


-rpath -Wl,/home/paessler/garnome/lib
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Stream_GetShort'
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Stream_ExitFrame'
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Stream_GetLong'
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Stream_Seek'
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Get_Next_Char'
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Stream_EnterFrame'
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Get_First_Char'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[5]: *** [ggv] Error 1
make[5]: Leaving directory
`/usr/src/pakete/garnome-0.14.1/gnome/ggv/work/ggv-1.99.90/src'
make[4]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[4]: Leaving directory
`/usr/src/pakete/garnome-0.14.1/gnome/ggv/work/ggv-1.99.90/src'
make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory
`/usr/src/pakete/garnome-0.14.1/gnome/ggv/work/ggv-1.99.90'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/usr/src/pakete/garnome-0.14.1/gnome/ggv/work/ggv-1.99.90'
make[1]: *** [build-work/ggv-1.99.90/Makefile] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/pakete/garnome-0.14.1/gnome/ggv'
make: *** [dep-../../gnome/ggv] Error 2

pango is installed properly, so what is wrong?
any suggestions?

thanks

daniel


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Having installed from Garnome 0.14.1:

1. My Gnome2 apps are not seeing all my fonts. Gnome1 apps still see them all.
Also, for some reason, Opera seems to have been affected by this, even though it
uses Qt and not Gtk. That would suggest that it's an X problem not a Gnome one,
but Gnome1 apps see all the fonts, so it can't be an X problem.

2. Is there a global Gnome2 environment variable that I can set so I don't have
to specify the same thing when I run all apps? I will always want to run every
Gnome2 app with --oaf-private and --disable-factory since I don't use the Gnome
desktop enviroment, just the apps from Windowmaker.

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The settings-not-sticking problem has gone since I reinstalled from Garnome
0.14.1 :)

If I run apps with --oaf-private and --disable-factory, they start straight
away. No more waiting for that bonobo business to start.

Jeff Waugh had the audacity to claim:

>
>
>> I have asked the Gnome mailing list, Pan mailing list, and X newsgroup,
>> and the only feedback I had was that it might be a certain missing line in
>> a file installed by Gconf, but I checked and it was there. I even
>> reinstalled Gconf, and then uninstalled and installed a previous version
>> of it, but with no luck :(
>>
>> So to sum, the two problems I have are that the first Gnome thing that a
>> user starts takes 'ages' to appear, and that none of the settings in Gnome
>> apps stick.
>
>How did you install GARNOME? Did you set the paths and environment variables
>correctly, as described on the webpage?

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How can I disable this? Stop it bringing up Gnome help and instead pass F1 to
whatever I'm running in the term like any other function key? :/

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> 1. My Gnome2 apps are not seeing all my fonts. Gnome1 apps still see them all.
> Also, for some reason, Opera seems to have been affected by this, even though it
> uses Qt and not Gtk. That would suggest that it's an X problem not a Gnome one,
> but Gnome1 apps see all the fonts, so it can't be an X problem.

Sounds like an XFT issue -> make sure /etc/X11/XftConfig is correct.

> 2. Is there a global Gnome2 environment variable that I can set so I don't have
> to specify the same thing when I run all apps? I will always want to run every
> Gnome2 app with --oaf-private and --disable-factory since I don't use the Gnome
> desktop enviroment, just the apps from Windowmaker.

Hrm, OAF is no longer part of GNOME 2, and --disable-factory is just a GNOME
Terminal thing (which makes loading new terminals faster, so you don't want
to turn it off)...

- Jeff

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I have tried using the GDM login and luckily all the gnome2 menus
re-appeared.. =)

Warren


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If i use the current release of garnome to install gnome 2, is it hard to 
update the packages that are installed after, when there are new releases 
and how would i be goin about this?

Thanks

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Hi. I imagine that this has been discussed before, so forgive this repeat
question. I just installed garnome-0.14.1 and my gnome2 menus are
missing. Please help!

Thanks.




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> Hi. I imagine that this has been discussed before, so forgive this repeat
> question. I just installed garnome-0.14.1 and my gnome2 menus are
> missing. Please help!

In the release notes, it mentions that there are issues with menus due to
Nautilus and gnome-vfs bugs. You were warned. :-)

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Greeting folks;

I just tried to build kde-3.0.3 with tis version of garnome, as it 
worked quite well to go from kde-3.0.0 to 3.0.2.

At the time of the 3.0.0 to 3.0.2 build I was running gcc-2.96-112.
Now I have built and installed gcc-3.2.

Now after several hours of downloads, it tries to get started on 
building arts, and bombs out during the configure while looking for 
the STL stuff, which is in the install dir I gave gcc-3.2 when I 
built it.  Its also a far cry pathwise from being in /usr/include.  
More like /usr/local/gcc3.2/i686-linux-pc/include/bits or some 
such.

How do I go about training the new gcc-3.2 to go find its own proper 
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> How do I go about training the new gcc-3.2 to go find its own proper 
> includes?

Possibly a question better posed to GCC people. :-)

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Hello,

I am using GARNOME 0.14.0 with Solaris 8 on an ultrasparc 10.  I am 
using gcc-3.2 with the Solaris linker and assembler (/usr/ccs/bin/ld, 
/usr/ccs/bin/as).

The --disable-shared option that is enabled by default in the GARNOME 
build of GNOME 2.0.1 seems to cause some undefined symbols errors at 
link time, for instance, in the gtk+-2.0.6 package, gtk_minor_version, 
gtk_major_version, and gtk_micro_version.

Has anyone out there used GARNOME much on Solaris 8 w/gcc-3.x and if so, 
could you point me towards whatever configuration options I may need to 
alter or add in order to make my build work?

Thanks in advance for any assistance anyone can render.



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> I am using GARNOME 0.14.0 with Solaris 8 on an ultrasparc 10.  I am 
> using gcc-3.2 with the Solaris linker and assembler (/usr/ccs/bin/ld, 
> /usr/ccs/bin/as).

Rock! Been looking for more Solaris testers, thanks!

> The --disable-shared option that is enabled by default in the GARNOME 
> build of GNOME 2.0.1 seems to cause some undefined symbols errors at 
> link time, for instance, in the gtk+-2.0.6 package, gtk_minor_version, 
> gtk_major_version, and gtk_micro_version.

--disable-static, rather? :-)

I've just checked with Glynn, and he reckons that Sun are doing their builds
with it on, so that shouldn't be it, but they are building with forte.
Perhaps it's having issues with gcc-3.2 and the Solaris linker/assemblers?

> Has anyone out there used GARNOME much on Solaris 8 w/gcc-3.x and if so, 
> could you point me towards whatever configuration options I may need to 
> alter or add in order to make my build work?
> 
> Thanks in advance for any assistance anyone can render.

Definitely chat to some of the Sun guys, particularly Laszlo
; I'll try and help as much as I can.

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On Wednesday 04 September 2002 12:16, Jeff Waugh wrote:
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>
>> How do I go about training the new gcc-3.2 to go find its own
>> proper includes?
>
>Possibly a question better posed to GCC people. :-)

Possibly.  OTOH, its been working to build everything I've thrown at 
it for the last 2 weeks since I built it rather flawlessly.

garnome, trying to build kde-3.0.3 is the second failure message I 
wasn't able to fix, the first one being that I have 4 copies of 
libqt-mt.so.0.0.4 (and links) on this system, but some ./configure 
scripts can't find them even with a full path declared in the 
--with-qt-lib= option.  mosfet-liquid-0.9.5 is one of those.

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On Wednesday 04 September 2002 12:41, Gene Heskett wrote:
>On Wednesday 04 September 2002 12:16, Jeff Waugh wrote:
>>
>>
>>> How do I go about training the new gcc-3.2 to go find its own
>>> proper includes?
>>
>>Possibly a question better posed to GCC people. :-)
>
>Possibly.  OTOH, its been working to build everything I've thrown
> at it for the last 2 weeks since I built it rather flawlessly.
>
>garnome, trying to build kde-3.0.3 is the second failure message I
>wasn't able to fix, the first one being that I have 4 copies of
>libqt-mt.so.0.0.4 (and links) on this system, but some ./configure

Ancient damned fingers, they don't type what I think.  That should 
be 'libqt-mt.so.3.0.4' and links.  Big difference.

>scripts can't find them even with a full path declared in the
>--with-qt-lib= option.  mosfet-liquid-0.9.5 is one of those.

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Hello,

I have installed 0.14.1 in my debian box.
I have seen in the changelog that there is some
red hat artwork installed with that...

Whereis that? iIs it in the form of a theme?
Where can I found it?

Garnome rules !

Thanks guys
Panagiotis


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> I have installed 0.14.1 in my debian box.
> I have seen in the changelog that there is some
> red hat artwork installed with that...

In misc/redhat-artwork/ - build it like everything else.

Beware that the current one depends on kdebase (as it includes kwin and qt
themes). In CVS GARNOME (and the next released version), I've included a
patch that will turn off all the KDE stuff.

> Whereis that? iIs it in the form of a theme?

There are themes for:

  qt
  kwin
  kde colours
  gtk+ 1.x
  gtk+ 2.x
  metacity
  nautilus
  gdm (i think)

Lots of good stuff, looks great. Comes straight out of the (null) source
rpm, too.

> Garnome rules !

Thanks. :-)

- Jeff

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Hi,

I have redhat 7.3 and I am using garnome 0.14.1.  I've tried to build
redhat-artwork like everything else but it failed with:

bluecurve.cpp:1755: `abs' undeclared (first use this function)
bluecurve.cpp:1755: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once 
for each function it appears in.)
bluecurve.cpp:1737: warning: `int left' might be used uninitialized in
this function
bluecurve.cpp:1737: warning: `int right' might be used uninitialized in
this function
bluecurve.cpp:1737: warning: `int top' might be used uninitialized in
this function
bluecurve.cpp:1737: warning: `int bottom' might be used uninitialized in
this function
make[5]: *** [bluecurve.lo] Error 1
make[5]: Leaving directory
`/usr/local/src/garnome-0.14.1/misc/redhat-artwork/work/redhat-artwork-0.36/art/qt/Bluecurve'
make[4]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[4]: Leaving directory
`/usr/local/src/garnome-0.14.1/misc/redhat-artwork/work/redhat-artwork-0.36/art/qt'
make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory
`/usr/local/src/garnome-0.14.1/misc/redhat-artwork/work/redhat-artwork-0.36/art'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/usr/local/src/garnome-0.14.1/misc/redhat-artwork/work/redhat-artwork-0.36'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/usr/local/src/garnome-0.14.1/misc/redhat-artwork/work/redhat-artwork-0.36'
make: *** [build-work/redhat-artwork-0.36/Makefile] Error 2
[root@localhost redhat-artwork]# 


I installed redhat-logos-1.1.4-1 since redhat-artwork-0.36-1 lists it as
a depends.  I also have kde 3.0 installed.

Any idea as to what is wrong?

Thanks

Joe




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> I have redhat 7.3 and I am using garnome 0.14.1.  I've tried to build
> redhat-artwork like everything else but it failed with:

(random qt breakage snipped)

The next version of GARNOME will have the qt/kde stuff patched out for
redhat-artwork. No idea what's going on in your build.

> I installed redhat-logos-1.1.4-1 since redhat-artwork-0.36-1 lists it as
> a depends.  I also have kde 3.0 installed.

Dude, GARNOME is building redhat-artwork from source. It doesn't care about
fake rpm dependencies. :-)

- Jeff

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An update: it would seem that this error occurs due to the way these
variables (gtk_*_version) are declared in the GTK+ package.  They're
declared as constants, which are by default private to their translation
unit as far as GCC is concerned.

I'll take it up with the GTK list :-)

Thanks!

Larry

Larry McQueary wrote:

 > Hello,
 >
 > I am using GARNOME 0.14.0 with Solaris 8 on an ultrasparc 10.  I am
 > using gcc-3.2 with the Solaris linker and assembler (/usr/ccs/bin/ld,
 > /usr/ccs/bin/as).
 >
 > The --disable-shared option that is enabled by default in the GARNOME
 > build of GNOME 2.0.1 seems to cause some undefined symbols errors at
 > link time, for instance, in the gtk+-2.0.6 package, gtk_minor_version,
 > gtk_major_version, and gtk_micro_version.
 >
 > Has anyone out there used GARNOME much on Solaris 8 w/gcc-3.x and if
 > so, could you point me towards whatever configuration options I may
 > need to alter or add in order to make my build work?
 >
 > Thanks in advance for any assistance anyone can render.
 >
 >



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I'd love to compile garnome on my linux 2.4.18 system - I'm using the
encap package manager to install packages, so a custom compilation
would definitely help me finally get GNOME, since correcting trivial
autoconf problems on the 60 packages myself is going to take a long
time.  But it fails to build.

Basically,

  make -C garnome-0.14.1/meta/gnome-desktop/ prefix=/usr build

failed quickly, generating an error in pkgconfig:

  cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I. -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=g_log_domain_glib
   -DG_ENABLE_DEBUG -I/usr/include -I/usr/include -I/usr/include
   -I/usr/include -I/usr/include -I/usr/include -I/usr/include -O2 -pipe
   -g -I/usr/include -O2 -pipe -g -I/usr/include -O2 -pipe -g
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   -Wall -c gmain.c  -fPIC -DPIC
  cc1: warning: changing search order for system directory "/usr/include"
  cc1: warning:   as it has already been specified as a non-system directory
  gmain.c:191: `poll' undeclared here (not in a function)

Many more related warnings appear in the output here:

  http://www.deconfusion.org/tmp/garnome.txt

Because the libraries on my system are linked into /usr/lib, I
detected a problem in gnome/pkgconfig/work/pkgconfig-0.12.0/, on line
1746: /usr/bin/file needs to be changed to

  '/usr/bin/file -L'

for libtool to work properly.  After I made this change then did 'make
clean' in the work directory, the build still failed the same way, but
with no more warnings during configure:

  http://www.deconfusion.org/tmp/garnome2.txt

Any ideas on how to (a) fix my problem with includes and (b) properly
patch configure within the garnome system?  If there's any system info
I can provide that isn't covered in the output files, let me know.

Thanks, I'm new to this!
-Paul

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I've written a free program called distcc, which distributes the work
of compilation across several machines on a network.  It works well
with GARNOME, and (leaving aside downloads) can compile more than
twice as fast as plain gcc.

You can get it from 

   http://distcc.samba.org/

and I would be happy to hear how it works for you.

(please cc me on replies)

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> I've written a free program called distcc, which distributes the work of
> compilation across several machines on a network.  It works well with
> GARNOME, and (leaving aside downloads) can compile more than twice as fast
> as plain gcc.

Rock! So the bugs you found with libtool and such are all fixed?

I will have to get this on all my flatmates' computers. :-)

- Jeff

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On Wed, 2002-09-04 at 02:48, Vigil wrote:
> How can I disable this? Stop it bringing up Gnome help and instead pass F1 to
> whatever I'm running in the term like any other function key? :/

Change the keybinding. Edit -> Keybindings



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Aha! Thanks.

I would have thought that would be on the right-clicked context menu (I have the
menubar disabled).

Jens Bech Madsen had the audacity to claim:

>On Wed, 2002-09-04 at 02:48, Vigil wrote:
>> How can I disable this? Stop it bringing up Gnome help and instead pass F1 to
>> whatever I'm running in the term like any other function key? :/
>
>Change the keybinding. Edit -> Keybindings

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Hi,

Me again.  Still building on Solaris 8 w/gcc-3.2, and now I am using 
garnome-0.14.1.

Incidentally, I am compiling a list of the various things I have to 
twiddle to get the build to work, which I will happily post later for 
the archives, but here's a problem that's got me stumped:

in libgtop-2.0.0/src/daemon, my build fails after creating 
libgtop_daemon2 with the following error:

No rule to make target `libgtop_server', needed by `all-am'

Indeed, there don't appear to be any rules in Makefile for building this 
target, though it *is* at least mentioned in the Makefile.  There are 
also some rules for building libgtop_server2.  Anyone know the 
significance of this?

Somehow I can't imagine this would be a platform-specific issue, so 
surely someone else out there has run into it?  Awaiting your wisdom 
before I start hacking and slashing in the Makefile.

Thanks,
Larry


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Gene,

I'm considering a 3.2 build and would be interested in your list of
"snags" compiling garnome.

Are your troubles exclusively KDE? I won't be building KDE, but if
the gnome build process becomes laborious I may just pass on using
3.2.

By and large, do you recommend using gcc-3.2 as your compiler? I am
busy compiling a clean linux box and I need to decide which compiler
I will use as my basis. At the behest of some other kind soul on the
list, I am considering either 2.95.3 or 3.2 but not together, because
of the ABI changes to C++ compiles; it sounds like a real mess later
on when I forget which libraries were compiled with what. I guess
either programs will stop compiling or I'll start getting strange
segfaults all over the place, and neither sounds really appealing.

Thanks in advance!

Idan

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On Friday 06 September 2002 04:34, Idan Gazit wrote:
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>Gene,
>
>I'm considering a 3.2 build and would be interested in your list
> of "snags" compiling garnome.
>
>Are your troubles exclusively KDE? I won't be building KDE, but if
>the gnome build process becomes laborious I may just pass on using
>3.2.
>
>By and large, do you recommend using gcc-3.2 as your compiler? I
> am busy compiling a clean linux box and I need to decide which
> compiler I will use as my basis. At the behest of some other kind
> soul on the list, I am considering either 2.95.3 or 3.2 but not
> together, because of the ABI changes to C++ compiles; it sounds
> like a real mess later on when I forget which libraries were
> compiled with what. I guess either programs will stop compiling
> or I'll start getting strange segfaults all over the place, and
> neither sounds really appealing.
>
>Thanks in advance!
>
>Idan

My guess is that if it was all installed in the right places, which 
I don't think I have yet, it would work just fine.  Its built 
everything I threw at it so except kde-3.0.3 via garnome, and 
mosfet-liquid, both heavily c++ stuff that needs the 3.2 versions 
of the STL headers that aren't located in /usr/include here now.  
But based on what I've seen so far, I think I'll do a make clean in 
the build directory, and modify the makefile to go ahead and have 
it install itself in /usr.  That would make many of my problems go 
away I'm sure.

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On Friday 06 September 2002 10:45, Gene Heskett wrote:
>On Friday 06 September 2002 04:34, Idan Gazit wrote:
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>>Gene,
>>
>>I'm considering a 3.2 build and would be interested in your list
>> of "snags" compiling garnome.
>>
>>Are your troubles exclusively KDE? I won't be building KDE, but
>> if the gnome build process becomes laborious I may just pass on
>> using 3.2.
>>
>>By and large, do you recommend using gcc-3.2 as your compiler? I
>> am busy compiling a clean linux box and I need to decide which
>> compiler I will use as my basis. At the behest of some other
>> kind soul on the list, I am considering either 2.95.3 or 3.2 but
>> not together, because of the ABI changes to C++ compiles; it
>> sounds like a real mess later on when I forget which libraries
>> were compiled with what. I guess either programs will stop
>> compiling or I'll start getting strange segfaults all over the
>> place, and neither sounds really appealing.
>>
>>Thanks in advance!
>>
>>Idan
>
>My guess is that if it was all installed in the right places,
> which I don't think I have yet, it would work just fine.  Its
> built everything I threw at it so except kde-3.0.3 via garnome,
> and mosfet-liquid, both heavily c++ stuff that needs the 3.2
> versions of the STL headers that aren't located in /usr/include
> here now. But based on what I've seen so far, I think I'll do a
> make clean in the build directory, and modify the makefile to go
> ahead and have it install itself in /usr.  That would make many
> of my problems go away I'm sure.

Update, they didn't.  Got worse in fact.  I cleaned out the build 
dir for gcc3.2, reran the configure using all the defaults, make'd 
a bootstrap, check and install.  No difference, so I went after 
qt-3.0.5, but gave it a bunch of options since it defaults to a lot 
of them off.  Built it, no errors important enough to abort the 
build.

Now I can't even startx, and in garnome-0.14.1/meta/kde I get this 
for a make:
----------------
make[4]: Entering directory `/usr/src/garnome-0.14.1/kde/arts'
        [fetch] complete.  Finished rules: pre-everything download 
pre-fetch download/arts-1.0.3.tar.bz2 post-fetch
        [checksum] complete.  Finished rules: fetch cookies 
pre-checksum cookies/checksum-arts-1.0.3.tar.bz2 post-checksum
        [extract] complete.  Finished rules: checksum work cookies 
pre-extract cookies/extract-arts-1.0.3.tar.bz2 post-extract
        [patch] complete.  Finished rules: extract work/arts-1.0.3 
pre-patch post-patch
 ==> Building kde/qt-copy as a dependency
 ==> Building gnome/glib as a dependency
 ==> Running configure in work/arts-1.0.3
checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
checking target system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
checking for a BSD compatible install... /usr/bin/ginstall -c
checking for -p flag to install... yes
checking whether build environment is sane... yes
checking for mawk... mawk
checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... yes
checking for a BSD compatible install... /usr/bin/ginstall -c -p
checking for style of include used by make... GNU
checking for gcc... cc
checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C 
compiler cannot create executables
make[4]: *** [configure-work/arts-1.0.3/configure] Error 77
make[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/garnome-0.14.1/kde/arts'
make[3]: *** [dep-../../kde/arts] Error 2
make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/garnome-0.14.1/kde/kdelibs'
make[2]: *** [dep-../../kde/kdelibs] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/garnome-0.14.1/kde/kdebase'
make[1]: *** [dep-../../kde/kdebase] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/garnome-0.14.1/kde/kdeadmin'
make: *** [dep-../../kde/kdeadmin] Error 2
---------------------------

Reverting back to qt-3.0.4 as /usr/loca/lqt and startx works, 
running it now.

Ideas?

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> Reverting back to qt-3.0.4 as /usr/loca/lqt and startx works,
> running it now.
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> Ideas?

Use binary packages of GCC for your distribution, whatever the version.

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I realize this is more of a GAR question than a GARNOME question, but in 
the interest of saving time, how can one temporarily turn off package 
dependency checking?  It's frustrating every time I fix something to 
have to go back and wait another half hour while dependencies get 
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Thanks!

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Hi list,

is there a chance of putting galeon into garnome?

Michael




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Just do 'make install' in the individual package dir.

Off course it will still do dependency-checking but only for that
particular package.

-A.

la, 07-09-2002 kello 08:15, Larry McQueary kirjoitti:
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> meta/gnome-desktop.
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> Thanks!
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> Larry
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From mcqueary@attbi.com  Sat Sep  7 01:54:51 2002
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That much is simple, I agree -- but my issue is that I'd like to go back 
to the top-level build and effectively pick up where I left off once I 
have done the "make install" that you suggest.  Right know it takes as 
long as half an hour for me to move on to the next package when I am 
ready to resume the build (due to the package checking, re-checking, and 
re-re-checking :-) )

Thanks,
Larry

Aschwin van der Woude wrote:

>Just do 'make install' in the individual package dir.
>
>Off course it will still do dependency-checking but only for that
>particular package.
>
>-A.
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>la, 07-09-2002 kello 08:15, Larry McQueary kirjoitti:
>  
>
>>I realize this is more of a GAR question than a GARNOME question, but in 
>>the interest of saving time, how can one temporarily turn off package 
>>dependency checking?  It's frustrating every time I fix something to 
>>have to go back and wait another half hour while dependencies get 
>>checked (and rechecked and rechecked) when doing a top-level make in 
>>meta/gnome-desktop.
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>Larry
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>>0.14.x)
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> is there a chance of putting galeon into garnome?

Not until there's an official tarball release, and getting mozilla/gtk+2 is
a sane process.

- Jeff

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> That much is simple, I agree -- but my issue is that I'd like to go back
> to the top-level build and effectively pick up where I left off once I
> have done the "make install" that you suggest.  Right know it takes as
> long as half an hour for me to move on to the next package when I am ready
> to resume the build (due to the package checking, re-checking, and
> re-re-checking :-) )

I'd like to work out what this is, as I've only had it reported on non-Linux
systems. It's a matter of optimising the cookie-finding [ I would prefer to
actually fix this problem, not remove the symptoms :-) ].

In the meantime, you'd have to remove the depends from the Makefiles, which
is a pretty onerous task without involving sed, and it will make your builds
barf.

So, let's work out why it's slow...

- Jeff

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Hey,

So I'm no great shakes at C, and I am definitely not too knowledgable 
about the build process, but what about the following:


* 1 Central list of dependencies at the root of the garnome dir (this 
will also be easier to maintain as time goes on)
* 1 small C app that (when given a target) produces a list of dependencies
* perhaps a centralized sort of cookie listing progress, completed 
builds (this can also serve as a centralized kind of log)


I don't know much about makefiles (just a beginning developer), but 
perhaps it can be rigged to somehow call the small C app to determine 
dependencies and then consult with the cookie file to see if they're 
satisfied (perhaps the C app can do this for you also)

Bonuses with this approach:


* Easier to maintain deps.
* You pay the dep resolution "price" at the door, when you compile the 
little C app once. Afterwards it resolves deps in about a nanosecond.

* With very little effort, users can also use the app to query the 
dependency tree when they feel like upgrading a single part of the tree.

For instance: several new tarballs have appeared on ftp.gnome.org. I 
have a burning desire to upgrade to gedit-x.x.x because it can tell me 
who shot JFK. The next version of garnome is not yet released, and I 
don't feel like editing the makefiles and replacing checksums in the 
garnome/gnome/gedit dir to fool it into doing the work for me; I know 
that it's just a ./configure; make; make install kind of affair anyways. 
The only way for me now to know if the libraries that gedit-x.x.x 
require are in place is for me to manually do a recursive check of 
everything that gedit has in its LIBDEPS. With the C app & central 
repository I can just go "depfinder gedit" and get a nice clean list.

Fiction? Nay. Well, I wrote this app, but I must have done something 
wrong because it segfaults on a malloc (no, I haven't double-freed 
something) when it's dealing with _really really_ long lists of 
dependencies. For normal ones it works just fine and produces output like:

id:~/src$ ./depfinder gedit
Dependency build order for gedit:
0: libart_lgpl
1: pkgconfig
2: gtk-doc
3: glib
4: atk
5: freetype
6: pango
7: gtk+
8: libxml2
9: libglade
10: libgnomecanvas
11: linc
12: libIDL
13: ORBit2
14: bonobo-activation
15: libbonobo
16: GConf
17: gnome-mime-data
18: gnome-vfs
19: audiofile
20: esound
21: libxslt
22: libgnome
23: libbonoboui
24: libgnomeui
25: libgnomeprint
26: libgnomeprintui
**: gedit


So, when everybody is done laughing at the guy who doesns't know C, let 
me know what you think. If it's worth it I'll spend the time debugging 
it carefully to eradicate this bug. Building the dependency file is also 
really really easy and can be automated with a 7 line shell script (I 
did it by hand) -- grep -r "LIBDEPS" > depfile, followed by a bit of 
sed'ing to pare it down the the form:

target: dep1 dep2 dep3

The app is also smart enough to not add previously built dependencies to 
the list, e.g. pkg1 and pkg2 both require pkg0, and say so in their 
LIBDEPS. Pkg0 will only show up once in the list, despite being looked 
for twice.

I hope y'all aren't laughing too much....


Idan


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> So I'm no great shakes at C, and I am definitely not too knowledgable 
> about the build process, but what about the following:

Number comments for reference strewn within. :-) I'm sure Nick will have a
few too...

> * 1 Central list of dependencies at the root of the garnome dir (this 
> will also be easier to maintain as time goes on)

1) Perhaps, but it pulls the information out of the garballs (close
approximations of packages), which is where it is most useful. If you have a
central list of dependencies, there's almost no point to the GNU make
architecture, so you'd want to move to something closer to jhbuild (which I
strongly recommend if you want to build GNOME CVS).

> * 1 small C app that (when given a target) produces a list of dependencies

2) Keeping GAR as a GNU make only system is pretty important. Note that make
is a highly evolved dependency resolver, so writing domain-specific stuff in
C just de-generalises the system and makes it less hackable. There are lots
of good reasons to futz with GAR dependencies.

> * perhaps a centralized sort of cookie listing progress, completed 
> builds (this can also serve as a centralized kind of log)

3) This is what needs to happen for GAR to move closer to 'packaging system'
from 'build tool'. However, GAR is really designed first and foremost as a
build tool, so it's not hugely important to us at the moment.

> I don't know much about makefiles (just a beginning developer), but 
> perhaps it can be rigged to somehow call the small C app to determine 
> dependencies and then consult with the cookie file to see if they're 
> satisfied (perhaps the C app can do this for you also)
> 
> Bonuses with this approach:
> 
> 
> * Easier to maintain deps.

See point 1. Affects ports/packaging look'n'feel.

> * You pay the dep resolution "price" at the door, when you compile the 
> little C app once. Afterwards it resolves deps in about a nanosecond.

See point 2. Removes flexibility/generalisation from make architecture.

> * With very little effort, users can also use the app to query the 
> dependency tree when they feel like upgrading a single part of the tree.

In upstream GAR, you can do this. I haven't folded upstream back into
GARNOME for a long time, since some fairly major structural changes. I will
at some stage, 'cos it's rockin' now (if a bit bigger and more complex).

> For instance: several new tarballs have appeared on ftp.gnome.org. I 
> have a burning desire to upgrade to gedit-x.x.x because it can tell me 
> who shot JFK. The next version of garnome is not yet released, and I 
> don't feel like editing the makefiles and replacing checksums in the 
> garnome/gnome/gedit dir to fool it into doing the work for me; I know 
> that it's just a ./configure; make; make install kind of affair anyways. 

Well, GARNOME is designed to be a distribution, rather than a fast-n-hard
updating service for the impatient and needy. :-) Thus, I'm not really
interested in improving this side of things.

(I am, however, improved in its ability to upgrade, which point 3 addresses
to a certain extent.)

> The only way for me now to know if the libraries that gedit-x.x.x 
> require are in place is for me to manually do a recursive check of 
> everything that gedit has in its LIBDEPS. With the C app & central 
> repository I can just go "depfinder gedit" and get a nice clean list.

Dude, whilst it's all ABI ccompatible, why would you care? :-)

> Fiction? Nay. Well, I wrote this app, but I must have done something 
> wrong because it segfaults on a malloc (no, I haven't double-freed 
> something) when it's dealing with _really really_ long lists of 
> dependencies. For normal ones it works just fine and produces output like:

(See upstream GAR. You can do all of this in make, in fact, make is *the*
way to do it.)

> I hope y'all aren't laughing too much....

Not too much, because you went to the effort to write it in C of all things.
Nick wasn't laughing too hard when someone posted a python solution to the
GAR lists either. But he added it with very little trouble to GAR straight
away, because it's all 100% GNU make.

:-)

Thanks,

- Jeff

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begin  Jeff Waugh  quotation:
> I'd like to work out what this is, as I've only had it reported on
> non-Linux systems. It's a matter of optimising the cookie-finding [
> I would prefer to actually fix this problem, not remove the symptoms
> :-) ].

	I'd love to work on optimizations for GAR cookie-finding.
Right now what a dependency build does in the latest GAR is this
(essentially):

dep-$(GARDIR)/%:
	$(MAKE) -C $(GARDIR)/$* install-p > || \
	$(MAKE) -C $(GARDIR)/$* install

Thus, we're forking a copy of make each time.  This is largely because
the LNX-BBC project has build deps, which are built only for the
purpose of building other stuff, and get thrown in a scratch dir that
will eventually be wiped (consider flex or bison as an example --
they're used to compile things, but we don't actually include them on
the bootable business card).

Thus we actually have to rely on the package's predicate calls to tell
us for real if something is installed or not.  

For a while I was doing it with a simple test line in the dep-foo
rules.  This was very fast as it had only to fork a copy of the shell,
not a new make instance that sourced in the new package makefile.  I
forget how old the GARNOME gar is, but if it uses anything like the
modern dep-checking, then it's probably forkings of make slowing you
down.  Just a guess, really.

> So, let's work out why it's slow...

The LNX-BBC tree has some hojillion dependencies and packages.  I'm
running these tests on an already-built tree, so the ONLY work it has
to do is dep-checking.  This is a Debian Testing system with a
skanky-ass old kernel and only one of its dual Pentium IIs being used:

----8<----
[gar(/usr/local/var/build-last/gar/meta/lnx-bbc)] time make showdeps | wc -l
    259

real    0m37.293s
user    0m12.130s
sys     0m25.140s
----8<----

	So some of those deps are repeated etc, but if GARNOME is
recent enough to have "showdeps" you should be able to compare for
number of dep-checking tests it'd have to do.  Note that the showdeps
itself took 37 seconds.  Long, but not half an hour.

----8<----
[gar(/usr/local/var/build-last/gar/meta/lnx-bbc)] time make install > /tmp/ttt

real    0m2.805s
user    0m0.520s
sys     0m2.150s
----8<----

This is largely because it doesn't do the deep dep checking like the
waaaay old GAR used to (because the super-old GAR used to do
deep-checking, while the code above only checks the dep one below
(unless I were to update install-p with deep checking, which I may
someday do!)).  

A make install in the singularity dir (which has 159 dependencies and
build deps) runs like this when all install deps are satisfied:

----8<----
[gar(~/bbc/gar/meta/singularity)] time make configure > /tmp/ttt

real    0m41.949s
user    0m10.450s
sys     0m31.560s
----8<----

So it looks like we're getting 3-4 deps checked per second.  Not the
best timing, but certainly not enough to make the thing take half an
hour!

Try doing a "time make configure" for a package that has all of its
deps satisfied.

-- 
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begin  Idan Gazit  quotation:
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> will also be easier to maintain as time goes on)

	You're joking, right?

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> begin  Idan Gazit  quotation:
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> > will also be easier to maintain as time goes on)
> 
> 	You're joking, right?

Damn, and I was hoping for some cranked up Alexander Viro lecture stylin's.

  Dude, you've so chilled.

- Jeff

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begin  Jeff Waugh  quotation:
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> > begin  Idan Gazit  quotation:
> > > * 1 Central list of dependencies at the root of the garnome dir
> > > (this will also be easier to maintain as time goes on)
> > 
> > 	You're joking, right?
> 
> Damn, and I was hoping for some cranked up Alexander Viro lecture
> stylin's.
> 
>   Dude, you've so chilled.

	Ha ha.  Well, I'm tryin' not to bad-cop your project, and I
really am interested in hearing out anyone who's bothered to *write
code*.  I figure I'll let him explain his justification for the
architectural choices, rebut if necessary, lecture if persistently
wrong, and flame if he's obnoxious.  

	So far, however, what I see is an interested developer who's
exploring the GAR architecture, and that makes me happy.

	Now merge upstream, ya lazy arse!

-- 
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      -- http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm    (search for "Boston")

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> > Damn, and I was hoping for some cranked up Alexander Viro lecture
> > stylin's.
> > 
> >   Dude, you've so chilled.
> 
> 	Ha ha.  Well, I'm tryin' not to bad-cop your project, and I
> really am interested in hearing out anyone who's bothered to *write
> code*.  I figure I'll let him explain his justification for the
> architectural choices, rebut if necessary, lecture if persistently
> wrong, and flame if he's obnoxious.  
> 
> 	So far, however, what I see is an interested developer who's
> exploring the GAR architecture, and that makes me happy.

You haven't just chilled - you're getting old! :-) Further encouragement for
GAR-hacking (and to check out what I haven't pulled down from upstream yet,
because I'm a lazy git, or maybe just too busy with GNOME stuff):

  http://gar.lnx-bbc.org/

> 	Now merge upstream, ya lazy arse!

Yes Mum, right after I take out the garbage...

- Jeff (who runs off to do a GNOME release instead, nyah nyah!)

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Nick Moffitt & Jeff Waugh Wrote:

 > You suck. You know nothing about the intricacies of make or gar or 
anything that matches the glob pattern "auto*".

Uh... Guilty! It was just a suggestion that came around because I wrote 
the app to do exactly what I wrote in the first post; i.e. get a list of 
dependencies w/o doing it by hand (Think perl -- why do it by hand when 
you can spend a day writing an app to do it for you? Laziness, hubris...)

Well, it was a nice idea until I had it handed to me well-done on a platter.

Hope to contribute something more worthwhile in the future,

Idan


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> Nick Moffitt & Jeff Waugh Wrote:
> 
> > You suck. You know nothing about the intricacies of make or gar or
> > anything that matches the glob pattern "auto*".
> 
> Uh... Guilty!

Ha ha, awwww. :-)

> It was just a suggestion that came around because I wrote the app to do
> exactly what I wrote in the first post; i.e. get a list of dependencies
> w/o doing it by hand (Think perl -- why do it by hand when you can spend a
> day writing an app to do it for you? Laziness, hubris...)

Blame my laziness for not upgrading to the latest GAR stuff. :-)

> Hope to contribute something more worthwhile in the future,

You're way welcome, I think a few people have learnt a bit more about GAR
and make just through this thread.

btw, I've been using GAR as a basis for some impromtu make tutorials - if
you want to get to know some really handy make stuff in a really cool
project, read the GAR makefiles. Nick ("maaaate!") has done a sterling job.

- Jeff

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> 
> > I've written a free program called distcc, which distributes the work of
> > compilation across several machines on a network.  It works well with
> > GARNOME, and (leaving aside downloads) can compile more than twice as fast
> > as plain gcc.
> 
> Rock! So the bugs you found with libtool and such are all fixed?

You actually still need a small workaround of using a shell script
"distc", that does

  exec distcc gcc "$@"

libtool works happily with that, and in truth libtool itself is so
slow that the small overhead of the script won't matter much.

I'll do it properly in the next one or two releases so that libtool
will be able to just call distcc directly.

I sent patches for a couple of small Makefile races, but there may be
some more lurking in there.

Aside from that, yes, it works well.

The other thing that would help it would be to increase the level of
parallelism in GARNOME.  For example, you could compile gtk+ while you
are downloading libgnome.  This would help even for people without
distcc, and for distcc it should be a big boost.  Of course it will
make it a little more complex, but no worse than -j in general.

-- 
Martin 

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> The other thing that would help it would be to increase the level of
> parallelism in GARNOME.  For example, you could compile gtk+ while you are
> downloading libgnome.  This would help even for people without distcc, and
> for distcc it should be a big boost.  Of course it will make it a little
> more complex, but no worse than -j in general.

Yeah, good call. I'm going to look into this once I've upgraded to latest
upstream.

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- Jeff

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Can anyone tell me where to find this beast?  It does not seem to be 
part of the garnome distribution and I'm having a tough time finding it..  

Thanks,
Larry


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gnome-control-center?

Larry McQueary had the audacity to claim:

>Can anyone tell me where to find this beast?  It does not seem to be part of
>the garnome distribution and I'm having a tough time finding it..


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Hmmm.  I don't find that in the control-center package.  I am not 
running Linux, FYI, so I'm looking for a current GNOME source package 
that contains this shell script (gnome-config).

Thanks,
Larry

Vigil wrote:

>gnome-control-center?
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>>the garnome distribution and I'm having a tough time finding it..
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begin  Jeff Waugh  quotation:
> 
> > The other thing that would help it would be to increase the level
> > of parallelism in GARNOME.  For example, you could compile gtk+
> > while you are downloading libgnome.  This would help even for
> > people without distcc, and for distcc it should be a big boost.
> > Of course it will make it a little more complex, but no worse than
> > -j in general.
> 
> Yeah, good call. I'm going to look into this once I've upgraded to
> latest upstream.

	It's a tough problem, and one that I'd like to see solved
portably.  Some individual packages, for example, are not internally
parallelizable, and the system would need to be smart about
dependencies.  We'd probably need to set up some sort of external
locking mechanism, and that makes me kind of queasy.

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On  7 Sep 2002, Nick Moffitt  wrote:
>> [external parallelization]

(or, as my old professor called it, paralysation.)

> 	It's a tough problem, and one that I'd like to see solved
> portably.  Some individual packages, for example, are not internally
> parallelizable, and the system would need to be smart about
> dependencies.  We'd probably need to set up some sort of external
> locking mechanism, and that makes me kind of queasy.

My naive idea was that building several packages in parallel would be
a nice way to avoid worrying about whether they are internally
parallelizable.  So at the GAR level dependencies like this would seem
to be safe and also permit useful parallelization:

  install-libgtk: build-libgtk
  build-libgtk: download-libgtk
  build-libgnome: install-libgtk download-libgnome

I haven't looked at whether this would work inside GARNOME.  I guess
you would want to have some kind of lock file indicating that the
installation has completed, so that you don't need to actually run
"make install" every time.  I suppose also you would want some kind of
limit on the number of download tasks that can run at any time.
 
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> Can anyone tell me where to find this beast?  It does not seem to be 
> part of the garnome distribution and I'm having a tough time finding it..  

It's in libgnome 1.x... What's looking for it?

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xscreensaver was, probably because it hasn't been updated to gnome2 yet. 
 I'm having trouble getting xscreensaver's configure script to like my 
libxml and libMesaGL installations, and so far have been too lazy to 
unravel the script and doctor it appropriately.  It seemed that 
gnome-config might have solved the problem, but I guess I'll just have 
to hack the script after all.

Thanks,
Larry

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>>Can anyone tell me where to find this beast?  It does not seem to be 
>>part of the garnome distribution and I'm having a tough time finding it..  
>>    
>>
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>It's in libgnome 1.x... What's looking for it?
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> xscreensaver was, probably because it hasn't been updated to gnome2 yet.
> I'm having trouble getting xscreensaver's configure script to like my
> libxml and libMesaGL installations, and so far have been too lazy to
> unravel the script and doctor it appropriately.  It seemed that
> gnome-config might have solved the problem, but I guess I'll just have to
> hack the script after all.

The very latest versions of xscreensaver have a G2 control panel, so
shouldn't require gnome-config.

Be aware that xscreensaver really, really, really wants to be installed in
your proper system prefix to work properly (which is why it isn't in
GARNOME).

- Jeff

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Hi,

I've just completed a fresh install of Debian and have built garnome, as
well as gdm.  I'm running gdm from my home directory and  I followed the
instructions in the FAQ to setup my .xsession.  When I log in I only get a
xterm without borders, no mouse menus, etc.  Sort of like when you press
Shift-F1 for xdm to login in safe mode.  Any help on actually getting the
menus, control center, etc would be really appreciated.

Thanks,

Ramon Kagan
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(416)736-2100 #20263
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Well, define proper system prefix?  I think for Solaris users it's 
perhaps less straightforward.  (Danger, danger, broad know-it-all, 
annoying generalization follows).  In the world of Linux, just about 
everything that commercial UNIX users get as part of their standard OS 
distribution is freeware; rather than being an 'alternate' piece of 
software that one can use for a particular purpose, it is 'the' software 
to use for a particular purpose (ex: in Linux you use GNU fileutils 
because, well, it's basically the fileutils package for every UNIX 
system.  OTOH, I use GNU fileutils on Solaris because they are more 
'sane' in certain circumstances and with treatment of certain arguments 
(e.g. tar -C with garnome!!!) than the Solaris versions.  

The point I'm getting to (honest) is that while it's perfectly normal in 
the world of Linux to go install extra software in /bin, /usr/bin, 
/usr/X11R6/bin, etc.... it's not OK to me to install any of this stuff 
anywhere but in /usr/local,  /usr/local/, or /opt/ on 
a Solaris box.

But all this aside, I guess you're telling be that xscreensaver *really* 
wants to be in /usr/X11R6/bin, etc ?  What is the *very* latest version? 
 I was working with 4.04.

Incidentally, I got it working after munging the Makefiles a bit; 
however the path of least resistance was to have it install in my 
garnome install directories vs. /usr/local (which was my preference, 
since, as you pointed out, this is not part of garnome).

Still didn't get the XML or OpenGL stuff to get picked up by configure 
(as noted below, which is what led me into this discussion), but the 
basics work a treat.

Any additional pointers on this appreciated.

Thanks,
Larry

Jeff Waugh wrote:

>
>
>  
>
>>xscreensaver was, probably because it hasn't been updated to gnome2 yet.
>>I'm having trouble getting xscreensaver's configure script to like my
>>libxml and libMesaGL installations, and so far have been too lazy to
>>unravel the script and doctor it appropriately.  It seemed that
>>gnome-config might have solved the problem, but I guess I'll just have to
>>hack the script after all.
>>    
>>
>
>The very latest versions of xscreensaver have a G2 control panel, so
>shouldn't require gnome-config.
>
>Be aware that xscreensaver really, really, really wants to be installed in
>your proper system prefix to work properly (which is why it isn't in
>GARNOME).
>
>- Jeff
>
>  
>


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Hi Gene,

On Fri, 6 Sep 2002 21:13:20 -0400
Gene Heskett  wrote:

> [...]
> Update, they didn't.  Got worse in fact.  I cleaned out the build 
> dir for gcc3.2, reran the configure using all the defaults, make'd 
> a bootstrap, check and install.  No difference, so I went after 
> qt-3.0.5, but gave it a bunch of options since it defaults to a lot 
> of them off.  Built it, no errors important enough to abort the 
> build.
> 
> Now I can't even startx, and in garnome-0.14.1/meta/kde I get this 
> for a make:
> ----------------
> [...]
> checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C 
> compiler cannot create executables
> [...]
> 
> Reverting back to qt-3.0.4 as /usr/loca/lqt and startx works, 
> running it now.
> 
> Ideas?

Whenever you see "C compiler cannot create executable" in autoconf/automake
and libtool-based projects, you should first take a look at "configure.log"
to find the exact file/parameters that are being given to the compiler.
It may be any number of things from invalid parameters, to something as
basic as having no r/x permissions in include or lib directories in the
compiler search paths.

Having said that, Qt being C++-based, and there are changes in ABI between
versions 2.95.x, 3.0.x, 3.1.x, and 3.2.x, expect troubles during linking
if you use different compiler than the one which was used to compile Qt.

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> Well, define proper system prefix?  I think for Solaris users it's perhaps
> less straightforward.

It should be less straightfoward for anyone installing new software from
source on a *NIX system. :-) From memory, it's mostly the X resource files
that have issues being 'out of prefix' (with regards to X).

> What is the *very* latest version?  I was working with 4.04.

Yeah, that's it - the G2D stuff must be behind a configure variable.

Thanks,

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Hi,

I noticed that gimp-freetype is in the gnome directory structure in 
garnome-0.14.1 but does not build -- is that normal?

Also, my nautilus has problems locating XftConfig, and so do I - is this 
part of the freetype package?  Do I really need this package given that 
I've got my own X stuff courtesy of Solaris?  Is there some suitable way 
to make nautilus look for the appropriate font configuration file elsewhere?

Thanks,
Larry


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Correction: when I say fails to build, I mean that it simply doesn't 
even try to build it from what I can see.

Thanks,
Larry

Larry McQueary wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I noticed that gimp-freetype is in the gnome directory structure in 
> garnome-0.14.1 but does not build -- is that normal?
>
> Also, my nautilus has problems locating XftConfig, and so do I - is 
> this part of the freetype package?  Do I really need this package 
> given that I've got my own X stuff courtesy of Solaris?  Is there some 
> suitable way to make nautilus look for the appropriate font 
> configuration file elsewhere?
>
> Thanks,
> Larry
>


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Hi Larry,

On Mon, 09 Sep 2002 11:22:52 -0600
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> Correction: when I say fails to build, I mean that it simply doesn't 
> even try to build it from what I can see.
> 
> Thanks,
> Larry

GIMP and other applications are built from gnome-fifth-toe subdirectory.
You can check the "Makefile" in each of the meta/* subdirectories to see
which apps/libs get built.  Additional libs are required for building
some apps in fifth-toe directory.  If you don't need audio-related apps
I guess you can ignore them (they seem to be built last, so it's no big
deal if they're not built).

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> Correction: when I say fails to build, I mean that it simply doesn't even
> try to build it from what I can see.

Yeah, there's *heaps* of stuff in the ports that aren't built by the
gnome-desktop meta garball. Some of them are built with the other meta
garballs, but you can always build them individually anyway - they have full
dependencies.

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hey all,

now i've spent (hopefully) plenty of time browsing mailing list archives =
for
 a solution to this problem.  I was able to find plenty of other people
 having the same exact error, but never any using garnome greater then
 0.8.6....

i'm using garnome-0.14.1 on slackware 8.0.
my distro is close to stock install. i have XFree86-4.1 with 2.4.5 kernel=
=2E

the compile fails during pango's make.

so during the compile of garnome i get an error like this:

=3D=3D> Running make in work/pango-1.0.4
make[4]: Entering directory
`/home/blargg/download/garnome-0.14.1/gnome/pango/work/pango-1.0.4'
make  all-recursive

(it's running make on pango....)
(blah blah)

(then here)
cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -DPANGO_ENABLE_BACKEND -DPANGO_ENABLE_ENG=
INE
-DSYSCONFDIR=3D\"/opt/gnome2/etc\" -DLIBDIR=3D\"/opt/gnome2/lib\"
-DMODULE_VERSION=3D\"1.0.0\" -DG_DISABLE_DEPRECATED -I/usr/X11R6/include
-I/opt/gnome2/include -I/opt/gnome2/include/freetype2 -I..
-I/opt/gnome2/include -I/opt/gnome2/include -I/opt/gnome2/include
-I/opt/gnome2/include -I/opt/gnome2/include -O2 -pipe -g
-I/opt/gnome2/include -O2 -pipe -g -I/opt/gnome2/include -O2 -pipe -g
-I/opt/gnome2/include -Wall -D_REENTRANT -I/opt/gnome2/include/glib-2.0
-I/opt/gnome2/lib/glib-2.0/include -c pangoxft-font.c  -fPIC -DPIC -o
pangoxft-font.lo
In file included from pangoxft.h:27,
                 from pangoxft-private.h:25,
                 from pangoxft-font.c:26:
=2E./pango/pango-ot.h:43: parse error before `face'
In file included from pangoxft-private.h:25,
                 from pangoxft-font.c:26:
pangoxft.h:64: parse error before `pango_xft_font_get_face'
pangoxft.h:64: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of
`pango_xft_font_get_face'
pangoxft.h:64: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
In file included from pangoxft-font.c:27:
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:34: parse error before
`_XftFTlibrary'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:34: warning: type defaults to `i=
nt'
in d/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:34: warning: data definition=
 has
no type or storage class
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:37: parse error before `FT_Face'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:37: warning: no semicolon at end=
 of
struct or union
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:41: parse error before `size'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:41: warning: type defaults to `i=
nt'
in declaration of `size'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:41: warning: data definition has=
 no
type or storage class
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:54: parse error before `matrix'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:54: warning: type defaults to `i=
nt'
in declaration of `matrix'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:54: warning: data definition has=
 no
type or storage class
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:71: parse error before `face'
pangoxft-font.c: In function `get_mini_font':
pangoxft-font.c:164: `FT_Face' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:164: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
pangoxft-font.c:164: for each function it appears in.)
pangoxft-font.c:164: parse error before `face'
pangoxft-font.c:176: `face' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:181: warning: implicit declaration of function declaratio=
n of
`_XftFTlibrary' `FT_Get_Char_Index'


ok, their is more output that i'm not including because it was long..so i
 left it out.

now i've read in garnome-list archives, that past people on slackware wer=
e
having problems.  one fix said to get freetype-2.0.9 installed and it wou=
ld
work.  the email said pango wouldn't compile/link against freetype-2.1.2.=
  ??

so i've compiled freetype-2.0.9 but garnome still automatically downloads
freetype-2.1.2



what is the fix to this error?  am i missing some obvious fix that other
 slack users know about?   did i not thouroughly search the net for the f=
ix?


thanks,

ben



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On Monday 09 September 2002 12:38, Vichaya Sidhipong wrote:
>Hi Gene,
>
>On Fri, 6 Sep 2002 21:13:20 -0400
>
>Gene Heskett  wrote:
>> [...]
>> Update, they didn't.  Got worse in fact.  I cleaned out the
>> build dir for gcc3.2, reran the configure using all the
>> defaults, make'd a bootstrap, check and install.  No difference,
>> so I went after qt-3.0.5, but gave it a bunch of options since
>> it defaults to a lot of them off.  Built it, no errors important
>> enough to abort the build.
>>
>> Now I can't even startx, and in garnome-0.14.1/meta/kde I get
>> this for a make:
>> ----------------
>> [...]
>> checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C
>> compiler cannot create executables
>> [...]
>>
>> Reverting back to qt-3.0.4 as /usr/loca/lqt and startx works,
>> running it now.
>>
>> Ideas?
>
>Whenever you see "C compiler cannot create executable" in
> autoconf/automake and libtool-based projects, you should first
> take a look at "configure.log" to find the exact file/parameters
> that are being given to the compiler. It may be any number of
> things from invalid parameters, to something as basic as having
> no r/x permissions in include or lib directories in the compiler
> search paths.
>
>Having said that, Qt being C++-based, and there are changes in ABI
> between versions 2.95.x, 3.0.x, 3.1.x, and 3.2.x, expect troubles
> during linking if you use different compiler than the one which
> was used to compile Qt.

It appears that I cannot control where the compiler is looking for 
its c++ includes, the Makefile apparently being permanently locked 
to -I/usr/include, which of course is supposedly deprecated in the 
first place, and sure as heck not where gcc3.2 puts them.  The STL 
stuffs get put in

/usr/local/gcc3.2/include/c++/3.2/bits

And in one install they wound up in

/usr/local/gcc3.2/include/c++/3.2/i686--pc-linux-gnu/include/

but I tore that one out as being totally unusable in the real world.

This install is almost sane compared to my first two tries.

-- 
Cheers, Gene
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Subject: Re: garnome-0.14.1 and slackware 8.0 won't compile
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Hi Ben,

I'm running garnome on slack 8.1 and ran into similar problems
compiling, you are right that you need to update freetype.

If you're installing from a tarball, you may have an issue with garnome
still looking to your old package, easiest fix would be to remove the
freetype package and then install from tarball.

Even easier (what I did) would be to grab some updated packages at
linuxpackages.net, and just use upgradepkg. I'm running freetype-2.1.2
from there.

Hope I helped.

Long Live Slack,

-- Matt

On Mon, 2002-09-09 at 12:54, ben f wrote:
> hey all,
> 
> now i've spent (hopefully) plenty of time browsing mailing list archives for
>  a solution to this problem.  I was able to find plenty of other people
>  having the same exact error, but never any using garnome greater then
>  0.8.6....
> 
> i'm using garnome-0.14.1 on slackware 8.0.
> my distro is close to stock install. i have XFree86-4.1 with 2.4.5 kernel.
> 
> the compile fails during pango's make.
> 
> so during the compile of garnome i get an error like this:
> 
> ==> Running make in work/pango-1.0.4
> make[4]: Entering directory
> `/home/blargg/download/garnome-0.14.1/gnome/pango/work/pango-1.0.4'
> make  all-recursive
> 
> (it's running make on pango....)
> (blah blah)
> 
> (then here)
> cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -DPANGO_ENABLE_BACKEND -DPANGO_ENABLE_ENGINE
> -DSYSCONFDIR=\"/opt/gnome2/etc\" -DLIBDIR=\"/opt/gnome2/lib\"
> -DMODULE_VERSION=\"1.0.0\" -DG_DISABLE_DEPRECATED -I/usr/X11R6/include
> -I/opt/gnome2/include -I/opt/gnome2/include/freetype2 -I..
> -I/opt/gnome2/include -I/opt/gnome2/include -I/opt/gnome2/include
> -I/opt/gnome2/include -I/opt/gnome2/include -O2 -pipe -g
> -I/opt/gnome2/include -O2 -pipe -g -I/opt/gnome2/include -O2 -pipe -g
> -I/opt/gnome2/include -Wall -D_REENTRANT -I/opt/gnome2/include/glib-2.0
> -I/opt/gnome2/lib/glib-2.0/include -c pangoxft-font.c  -fPIC -DPIC -o
> pangoxft-font.lo
> In file included from pangoxft.h:27,
>                  from pangoxft-private.h:25,
>                  from pangoxft-font.c:26:
> ../pango/pango-ot.h:43: parse error before `face'
> In file included from pangoxft-private.h:25,
>                  from pangoxft-font.c:26:
> pangoxft.h:64: parse error before `pango_xft_font_get_face'
> pangoxft.h:64: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of
> `pango_xft_font_get_face'
> pangoxft.h:64: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
> In file included from pangoxft-font.c:27:
> /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:34: parse error before
> `_XftFTlibrary'
> /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:34: warning: type defaults to `int'
> in d/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:34: warning: data definition has
> no type or storage class
> /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:37: parse error before `FT_Face'
> /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:37: warning: no semicolon at end of
> struct or union
> /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:41: parse error before `size'
> /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:41: warning: type defaults to `int'
> in declaration of `size'
> /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:41: warning: data definition has no
> type or storage class
> /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:54: parse error before `matrix'
> /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:54: warning: type defaults to `int'
> in declaration of `matrix'
> /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:54: warning: data definition has no
> type or storage class
> /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:71: parse error before `face'
> pangoxft-font.c: In function `get_mini_font':
> pangoxft-font.c:164: `FT_Face' undeclared (first use in this function)
> pangoxft-font.c:164: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
> pangoxft-font.c:164: for each function it appears in.)
> pangoxft-font.c:164: parse error before `face'
> pangoxft-font.c:176: `face' undeclared (first use in this function)
> pangoxft-font.c:181: warning: implicit declaration of function declaration of
> `_XftFTlibrary' `FT_Get_Char_Index'
> 
> 
> ok, their is more output that i'm not including because it was long..so i
>  left it out.
> 
> now i've read in garnome-list archives, that past people on slackware were
> having problems.  one fix said to get freetype-2.0.9 installed and it would
> work.  the email said pango wouldn't compile/link against freetype-2.1.2.  ??
> 
> so i've compiled freetype-2.0.9 but garnome still automatically downloads
> freetype-2.1.2
> 
> 
> 
> what is the fix to this error?  am i missing some obvious fix that other
>  slack users know about?   did i not thouroughly search the net for the fix?
> 
> 
> thanks,
> 
> ben
> 
> 
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GARNOME 0.15.0: "The Little Furnace"
====================================

GARNOME - the bad-ass, bleeding edge GNOME distribution for testers and
tweakers everywhere. If you're dying to test the latest GNOME 2.0 Desktop
releases, but don't want to fall into the depraved addictions and
co-dependencies of testing from anonymous CVS, then GARNOME is for you.

[ In other words, GARNOME is a build tool for GNOME 2.x which includes the
developer platform and desktop releases, as well as a host of other software
ported to the GNOME 2.x platform. Everything is as easy to build as 'make
install'. We call it a 'distribution' because it's sanity-tested and often
patched before release, for your convenience and enjoyment. ;-) ]


Random Stuff
------------

Another belated announcement, if only by a few hours this time. A quick
hint: Sometimes you'll find new tarballs up on the download site that
haven't been announced yet.

That's either due to laziness on my part, giving the regulars on #garnome
time to test it and point out my foibles before the rest of the world can,
or just because I've done anther GNOME release at a very silly hour and have
fallen asleep before getting GARNOME out. That's what happened this time. :)

... it's so hard to resist the mighty power of The Little Furnace!


What's New?
-----------

  * Updated to the GNOME 2.0.2 RC 1.

  * Updated GAR system to latest upstream version. HOORAY! Thanks to Nick
    Moffit and the LNX-BBC crew for such a kickarse reusable project.

  * Moved compiler settings out of category files and into gar.conf.mk.

  * Fixed: memprof should be in gnome-hacker-tools meta garball.

  * Fixed: gimp-print now configures with --without-cups, to avoid
    out-of-GARNOME-prefix installation borkage.

  * Fixed: Remove upstream's glibc workarounds. They just cramp our elite
    cross-platform stylin's. Thanks to ajmitch.

  * Fixed: gst-plugins -Werror removal fixes some issues, thanks again to
    ajmitch.

  * Fixed: gnome-vfs has had a new release, so the menu issues are fixed.
    Some unexpected foo might happen if you have pre-existing vfolders state
    stored in ~/.gnome2/vfolders/ -> be careful out there!


Where Do I Get It?
------------------

The tarball and documentation [1] are available on the GARNOME website:

  http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/garnome/


Enjoy G2D and GARNOME. :-)

- Jeff

[1] People who don't read the documentation tend to look pretty silly on
garnome-list and in #garnome.

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begin  Jeff Waugh  quotation:
>   * Fixed: Remove upstream's glibc workarounds. They just cramp our
>   elite cross-platform stylin's. Thanks to ajmitch.

	I take it this is the LD_LIBRARY_PATH stuff?

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> begin  Jeff Waugh  quotation:
> >   * Fixed: Remove upstream's glibc workarounds. They just cramp our
> >   elite cross-platform stylin's. Thanks to ajmitch.
> 
> 	I take it this is the LD_LIBRARY_PATH stuff?

Nah, just the LD_PRELOAD of libc.so... Bit of an issue for our non-GNU/Linux
users. :-)

- Jeff

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On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Larry McQueary wrote:

> The point I'm getting to (honest) is that while it's perfectly normal in
> the world of Linux to go install extra software in /bin, /usr/bin,
> /usr/X11R6/bin, etc.... it's not OK to me to install any of this stuff
> anywhere but in /usr/local,  /usr/local/, or /opt/ on
> a Solaris box.

I don't think it's perfectly normal in the world of Linux to install extra
software in anywhere but /usr/local and /opt (except $HOME ;-).  Dispite
your initial warning I feel compelled to reply to this.  Anyway, good luck
with xscreensaver, maybe someone can talk them into doing things in a more
sane fashion?  I have no experience, but I trust Jeff's opinion on it.  It
would certainly be nice to have xscreensaver as a part of GARNOME.

regards,
Sean


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Hi,
I installed garnome under my user: home/Marco: after various modeule comp=
ilation
I tried to compile the gnome-applets but received first this error:

./configure: config.log: Permission denied
make[1]: *** [configure-work/libgtop-2.0.0/configure] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory ?home/Marco/garnome-0.12.0/libgtop?
make: *** [dep-../../gnome/libgtop] Error 2

I give the prompt the su command and the compilation continue but after
some lines the compilation stopped and obtain this error:

checking for pkg-config... no
*** The pkg-config script could not be found. Make sure it is
*** in your path, or set the PKG_CONFIG environment variable
*** to the full path to pkg-config.
*** Or see http://www.freedesktop.org/software/pkg-config to get pkg-conf=
ig.
configure error: Library requirements (glib2.0 >=3D 2.0.0) not met; consi=
der
adj
usting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in
a nonst
andard prefix so pkg-config can find them.
make[1]: *** [configure-work/libgtop-2.0.0/configure] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory ?home/Marco/garnome-0.12.0/libgtop?
make: *** [dep-../../gnome/libgtop] Error 2

I compiled previously the pkg-config and it is good, but I see that under=

the pkg-config there is another glib (it seems 1.2.18). But in another li=
nux
on my disk I installed garnome under root and downloaded files from the
gnome site and never met this error. In fact now I am in another system
and try to compile package that I found on a cd magazine. I controlled th=
e
packages and they are good (it seems).
What about this error in compilation?
Best regards,

Marco Mangiante

P.S.: I use garnome-0.12.0 while in the other system I used garnome-0.13.=
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Hi,
I compiled kde using garnome but I don't get amy mime
types installed. Due to this, nothing seems to work on
the desktop. I get some error from kioslave etc...also
there are no menu items appearing on tke 'K' menu!

TIA,
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Hi,
I compiled kde using garnome but I don't get amy mime
types installed. Due to this, nothing seems to work on
the desktop. I get some error from kioslave etc...also
there are no menu items appearing on tke 'K' menu!

TIA,
VIcky

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Your problems seem like you installed some packages with one user then
tried to install others with a different user. To me it sounds like you
should just delete all the garnome stuff and start over.
I don't completely understand what you are saying though.  perhaps if you
gave a walkthrough of what commands you ran to install garnome it would
be easier to diagnose your problem?

regards,
Sean

On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 marcomangiante@virgilio.it wrote:

> Hi,
> I installed garnome under my user: home/Marco: after various modeule compilation
> I tried to compile the gnome-applets but received first this error:
>
> ./configure: config.log: Permission denied
> make[1]: *** [configure-work/libgtop-2.0.0/configure] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory ?home/Marco/garnome-0.12.0/libgtop?
> make: *** [dep-../../gnome/libgtop] Error 2
>
> I give the prompt the su command and the compilation continue but after
> some lines the compilation stopped and obtain this error:
>
> checking for pkg-config... no
> *** The pkg-config script could not be found. Make sure it is
> *** in your path, or set the PKG_CONFIG environment variable
> *** to the full path to pkg-config.
> *** Or see http://www.freedesktop.org/software/pkg-config to get pkg-config.
> configure error: Library requirements (glib2.0 >= 2.0.0) not met; consider
> adj
> usting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in
> a nonst
> andard prefix so pkg-config can find them.
> make[1]: *** [configure-work/libgtop-2.0.0/configure] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory ?home/Marco/garnome-0.12.0/libgtop?
> make: *** [dep-../../gnome/libgtop] Error 2
>
> I compiled previously the pkg-config and it is good, but I see that under
> the pkg-config there is another glib (it seems 1.2.18). But in another linux
> on my disk I installed garnome under root and downloaded files from the
> gnome site and never met this error. In fact now I am in another system
> and try to compile package that I found on a cd magazine. I controlled the
> packages and they are good (it seems).
> What about this error in compilation?
> Best regards,
>
> Marco Mangiante
>
> P.S.: I use garnome-0.12.0 while in the other system I used garnome-0.13.1
>
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Ramon Kagan wrote:

> I've just completed a fresh install of Debian and have built garnome, as
> well as gdm.  I'm running gdm from my home directory and  I followed the
> instructions in the FAQ to setup my .xsession.  When I log in I only get a
> xterm without borders, no mouse menus, etc.  Sort of like when you press
> Shift-F1 for xdm to login in safe mode.  Any help on actually getting the
> menus, control center, etc would be really appreciated.

Sounds like you have the same problem I was having. Your .xsession file isn't being used by /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession because the .xsession file is not executable. Maybe chmod +x ~/.xsession would correct the problem like it did for me.

Hope this helps.

regards,
syd.



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Installed Garnome 0.15.0 last night with no compile problems whatsoever
on my Slackware 8.1 based system. (Although I did remove the Slackware
Nautilus package before compiling... I also copied my Slackware-specific
gconf path before logging back in.) 

Everything looks OK, except that there are no items except submenus
under Desktop Preferences on the main menu.

Everything's there via Nautilus, and the quick look I took at the
vfolder structure this morning didn't reveal any obvious issues.

I plan to dig deeper, but thought I'd ask around first.

TIA

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I have a couple of small suggestions for the FAQ:

1. Add to FAQ #10 that in case the .xsession file doesn't already exist, 
it should be created and made executable.

2. For redhat7.3 users, suggest that they use GConf-1.0.9 from RawHide, 
to avoid conflicts with gconfd-1.

This is a really great package to use. Thanks for all your hard work.

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Hi,

I figured out that the path wasn't being picked up properly.  .xsession
doesn't need to executable.

Ramon Kagan
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On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Sydney Weidman wrote:

> Ramon Kagan wrote:
>
> > I've just completed a fresh install of Debian and have built garnome, as
> > well as gdm.  I'm running gdm from my home directory and  I followed the
> > instructions in the FAQ to setup my .xsession.  When I log in I only get a
> > xterm without borders, no mouse menus, etc.  Sort of like when you press
> > Shift-F1 for xdm to login in safe mode.  Any help on actually getting the
> > menus, control center, etc would be really appreciated.
>
> Sounds like you have the same problem I was having. Your .xsession file isn't being used by /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession because the .xsession file is not executable. Maybe chmod +x ~/.xsession would correct the problem like it did for me.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> regards,
> syd.
>
>


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> Everything looks OK, except that there are no items except submenus
> under Desktop Preferences on the main menu.
> 
> Everything's there via Nautilus, and the quick look I took at the
> vfolder structure this morning didn't reveal any obvious issues.

Try deleting your ~/.gnome2/vfolders/ directory. The return of menu editing
causes some pain for people who've edited their menus in the betas or
manually.

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How about a list of packages that are installed by Garnome since the previous
release, or is there already a list that I did not see?

Also, at the bottom of the README:

   3.
file://localhost/home/jdub/src/cvs/gnome/garnome/website/root/download/?N=D
   4.
file://localhost/home/jdub/src/cvs/gnome/garnome/website/root/index.html#changelog
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> How about a list of packages that are installed by Garnome since the
> previous release, or is there already a list that I did not see?

I usually mention new garballs in the changelog.

> Also, at the bottom of the README:

Thanks, I'll sed these to what they should be. ;-)

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FS I mean Alien not Aliens.

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>"That's not our system." - Aliens

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"Updated to GNOME 2.0.2 RC 1." doesn't tell me what packages are new :)

Jeff Waugh had the audacity to claim:

>> How about a list of packages that are installed by Garnome since the
>>previous release, or is there already a list that I did not see?
>
>I usually mention new garballs in the changelog.

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> "Updated to GNOME 2.0.2 RC 1." doesn't tell me what packages are new :)

There are no additional modules in GNOME 2.0.x releases. If you want to find
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OK. On what? :)

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>There are no additional modules in GNOME 2.0.x releases. If you want to find
>out exactly what was *updated*, run a diff.

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> OK. On what? :)

diff the old tarball against the new tarball...

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Jeff.

Any particular reason LD_LIBRARY_PATH changed in gar.conf.mk 0.15.1?  It 
now prepends /lib to LD_LIBRARY_PATH, which  just caused me some 
frustrating problems linking files in GARCHIVEDIR to the download dirs. 
Turns out this was occurring because my path has /usr/local/bin at the 
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I would recommend not prepending /lib in the default gar.conf.mk.

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> Any particular reason LD_LIBRARY_PATH changed in gar.conf.mk 0.15.1?

Yeah, I brought it in from upstream. I didn't expect it to cause many
problems, but I can understand it would cause issues on commercial *nixes.

Will remove it for 0.15.1, thanks,

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OK, tell us all what this "upstream" thing is.

Jeff Waugh had the audacity to claim:

>Yeah, I brought it in from upstream. I didn't expect it to cause many problems,
>but I can understand it would cause issues on commercial *nixes.

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> OK, tell us all what this "upstream" thing is.

If you'd been following the list, you'd know it was GAR, Nick Moffit's ports
system based on GNU make, created for the LNX-BBC project.

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Oh, right :)

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>> OK, tell us all what this "upstream" thing is.
>
>If you'd been following the list, you'd know it was GAR, Nick Moffit's ports
>system based on GNU make, created for the LNX-BBC project.

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Here the one-liner I use for it:

  for dir in `ls garnome-0.12.1/gnome/`;do diff -u
garnome-0.12.1/gnome/$dir/Makefile garnome-0.15.0/gnome/$dir/Makefile >>
garnome15.diff;done


Since garnome 0.12.1 I just kept up to date with the packages released,
I stopped compiling the whole thing over and over.
And over time I included some packages not in garnome as well. :-)
With the above diff I check if I missed any packages.

-A.

ti, 10-09-2002 kello 23:02, Jeff Waugh kirjoitti:
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> > OK. On what? :)
> 
> diff the old tarball against the new tarball...
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Hi I am a newb to linux and unfamiliar with the instructions on the garnome 
website about chaning the path in order to boot into garnome when it is done 
building. Can anyone help explain what i should do when garnome is done 
building? I am using the latest version of garnome, and redhat 7.3. If any one 
has any helpful suggestions I appreciate it!

Regards,
Trent


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Hi Trenten,

On Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:36:52 -0400
"Trenten R. Healy"  wrote:

> Hi I am a newb to linux and unfamiliar with the instructions on the garnome 
> website about chaning the path in order to boot into garnome when it is done 
> building. Can anyone help explain what i should do when garnome is done 
> building? I am using the latest version of garnome, and redhat 7.3. If any one 
> has any helpful suggestions I appreciate it!

What I normally do is set these:

export GDK_USE_XFT=1
export PATH=$PATH:/path/to/garnome/bin
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path/to/garnome/lib
startx /path/to/garnome/bin/gnome-session

On some machines where I don't run gdm, I put the above into bash login
script:

case "`tty`" in
/dev/tty[0-9]+)
	whiptail --yesno "Do you want to start GNOME 2.0?" 9 50
	if [ $? -eq 0 ]; then
		export PATH=$PATH:/opt/gnome/bin
		export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/gnome/lib
		export GDK_USE_XFT=1
		startx /opt/gnome/bin/gnome-session
	fi
	;;
esac

and I don't bother with ~/.xsession or ~/.xinitrc primarily for personal
reasons.

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Last night I was trying to compile garnome for Redhat null and my first 
attempt failed.  I thought that this was because of the gcc 3.2 that null 
comes with so I downloaded/compiled/installed gcc 2.95.3.

Then before starting over I thought I should do a "make clean".  So I did 
and I got several warnings about not being unable to delete devices in my 
/dev/ directory because they were in use.  Very shortly after this my box 
went down hard and would not reboot.  I think something like a rm -rf /dev/* 
happened during the "make clean".  Fortunately since this null box was just 
to play around with anyway, nothing important was lost.

Now, I know there is nowhere in the garnome documentation that says I should 
ever do a "make clean".  However, it doesn't seem like a totally 
unreasonable thing to try if you want to start over from a failed build with 
a new compiler.  In any case, it doesn't seem like garnome should hose the 
entire system if someone makes this mistake.

In retrospect I think I maybe shouldn't have been doing this stuff as root 
but I think I actually need to be root to install garnome (at least I've had 
no luck otherwise in the past).

Anyway, no real damage done here but just a heads up on a problem developers 
may want to look at.  If I am totally wrong here let me know but the events 
I described above are exactly as they happened.



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Am I the only one who doesn't see *anything* in Nick Moffitt's messages?


Or is it just simply that I'm using Outlook?

Just curious
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hi,

I'm trying to install garnome 0.15 on my red hat 7.3 machine, but gtk+
fails because of the following error:

...
checking For sufficiently new FreeType (at least 2.0.1)... yes
configure: error: pangox Pango backend is required for x11 target
make: *** [configure-work/gtk+-2.0.6/configure] Error 1

I tried "make -k install" as suggested by someone on the gtk-list, but
that didn't work. pango.pc is right there in garnome/lib/pkgconfig.


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I see them.

Mike Taylor had the audacity to claim:

>Am I the only one who doesn't see *anything* in Nick Moffitt's messages?
>
>
>Or is it just simply that I'm using Outlook?
>
>Just curious

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On Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 04:16:43PM -0400, Mike Taylor wrote:
> Or is it just simply that I'm using Outlook?

Yes.

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Cool, thanks :)

I would have thought Mr. Waugh would have a list of the changed packages, since
he seems to program it...

Aschwin van der Woude had the audacity to claim:

>Here the one-liner I use for it:
>
>  for dir in `ls garnome-0.12.1/gnome/`;do diff -u
>garnome-0.12.1/gnome/$dir/Makefile garnome-0.15.0/gnome/$dir/Makefile >>
>garnome15.diff;done
>
>
>Since garnome 0.12.1 I just kept up to date with the packages released,
>I stopped compiling the whole thing over and over.
>And over time I included some packages not in garnome as well. :-)
>With the above diff I check if I missed any packages.
>
>-A.
>
>ti, 10-09-2002 kello 23:02, Jeff Waugh kirjoitti:
>> 
>>
>> > OK. On what? :)
>>
>> diff the old tarball against the new tarball...
>>
>> - Jeff
>>
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A better way to make the changes permanent would be to put
'/lib' into /etc/ld.so.conf. Make sure to run ldconfig after
that so the OS is aware of the change (or indeed reboot :)).

Put '/bin' in your path (export PATH=...), which will be in
/etc/profile. Also put 'export GDK_USE_XFT=1' at the bottom of that file.

If there's an 'exec' in your ~/.xinitrc, change it to read 'exec gnome-session'.
Either re-log in or 'source /etc/profile', then start X.

Or something.

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>
>> Hi I am a newb to linux and unfamiliar with the instructions on the garnome >
>website about chaning the path in order to boot into garnome when it is done >
>building. Can anyone help explain what i should do when garnome is done >
>building? I am using the latest version of garnome, and redhat 7.3. If any one
>> has any helpful suggestions I appreciate it!

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> I'm trying to install garnome 0.15 on my red hat 7.3 machine, but gtk+
> fails because of the following error:
> 
> ...
> checking For sufficiently new FreeType (at least 2.0.1)... yes
> configure: error: pangox Pango backend is required for x11 target
> make: *** [configure-work/gtk+-2.0.6/configure] Error 1

You need to install the X development packages, and rebuild pango. (Note
that pango must actually reconfigurem, so make clean ; make install it.)

- Jeff

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Getting following error when using GARNOME 0.15.0 on REDHAT 7.3 during 
GNOME 2 compilation.
Any hints???

********************************************************************
yelp-window.c: In function `window_populate':
yelp-window.c:265: `gettext' undeclared (first use in this function)
yelp-window.c:265: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
yelp-window.c:265: for each function it appears in.)
make[4]: *** [yelp-window.o] Error 1
make[4]: Leaving directory
`/tmp/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/yelp/work/yelp-1.0.6/src'
make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory
`/tmp/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/yelp/work/yelp-1.0.6'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/tmp/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/yelp/work/yelp-1.0.6'
make[1]: *** [build-work/yelp-1.0.6/Makefile] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/yelp'
make: *** [dep-../../gnome/yelp] Error 2

********************************************************************





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First off, great job with garnome, I love it.

Minor problem when trying to build gnome-fifth-toe, I get the following
error:

[===== NOW BUILDING:    quick-lounge-applet-0.87        =====]
        [fetch] complete for quick-lounge-applet.
 ==> Running checksum on quick-lounge-applet-0.87.tar.gz
2ac27e900fb072759ac284d5bd3a1855  download/quick-lounge-applet-0.87.tar.gz
download/quick-lounge-applet-0.87.tar.gz: FAILED
*** GAR GAR GAR!  quick-lounge-applet-0.87.tar.gz failed checksum test!  GAR GAR GAR! ***


This is 0.15.0, but I think it also happened on the previous release
too.

Any ideas?

thanks,

greg k-h

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> First off, great job with garnome, I love it.

Rock! Honoured. :-)

> [===== NOW BUILDING:    quick-lounge-applet-0.87        =====]
>         [fetch] complete for quick-lounge-applet.
>  ==> Running checksum on quick-lounge-applet-0.87.tar.gz
> 2ac27e900fb072759ac284d5bd3a1855  download/quick-lounge-applet-0.87.tar.gz
> download/quick-lounge-applet-0.87.tar.gz: FAILED
> *** GAR GAR GAR!  quick-lounge-applet-0.87.tar.gz failed checksum test!  GAR GAR GAR! ***
> 
> 
> This is 0.15.0, but I think it also happened on the previous release
> too.
> 
> Any ideas?

Yeah, seems the upstream source tarball changed... In the hope that it
hasn't been trojanned (I haven't diffed the tarballs yet), do this to build
it in the mean time:

  cd gnome/quick-lounge-applet
  make makesum

Then you're on your way again.

- Jeff

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On Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 09:40:52AM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> Yeah, seems the upstream source tarball changed... In the hope that it
> hasn't been trojanned (I haven't diffed the tarballs yet), do this to build
> it in the mean time:
> 
>   cd gnome/quick-lounge-applet
>   make makesum

Ah, thanks that works.

But hm, why would the upstream tarballs change?  Any pointer to an old
one that I can diff against to verify nothing "bad" is in it?

thanks again,

gregk -h

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Hi Clenio,

You should read the README file to make sure that you have all the required
packages before you build garnome.  In particular, the package you're
missing is "gettext".  Check with your distribution vendor for the exact
name of the package.

On 11 Sep 2002 20:27:00 -0300
Clenio Fonseca  wrote:

> Getting following error when using GARNOME 0.15.0 on REDHAT 7.3 during 
> GNOME 2 compilation.
> Any hints???
> 
> ********************************************************************
> yelp-window.c: In function `window_populate':
> yelp-window.c:265: `gettext' undeclared (first use in this function)
> yelp-window.c:265: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
> yelp-window.c:265: for each function it appears in.)
> make[4]: *** [yelp-window.o] Error 1
> make[4]: Leaving directory
> `/tmp/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/yelp/work/yelp-1.0.6/src'
> make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
> make[3]: Leaving directory
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> make[1]: *** [build-work/yelp-1.0.6/Makefile] Error 2
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> 
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> But hm, why would the upstream tarballs change?

Dunno, the author is pretty fresh, so he might have thought that adding a
small bugfix to an existing tarball was a good idea... Not sure.

> Any pointer to an old one that I can diff against to verify nothing "bad"
> is in it?

I cp'ed over my copy by mistake -> perhaps the best thing to do is ask the
author.

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hi, I'm pretty sure BUILD_CLEAN is broken in 0.15.0, though I'm not 100%
positive.  At the very least it doesn't work how it used to.  I don't have
a big enough hard drive to build garnome w/o it.  So if you could look
into that I'd appreciate it a lot.

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begin  Sean Proctor  quotation:
> hi, I'm pretty sure BUILD_CLEAN is broken in 0.15.0, though I'm not
> 100% positive.  At the very least it doesn't work how it used to.  I
> don't have a big enough hard drive to build garnome w/o it.  So if
> you could look into that I'd appreciate it a lot.

	Yeah.  Old BUILD_CLEAN was Jeff's, and it was a 0 or 1
setting.  My (upstream) BUILD_CLEAN uses an ifdef, so setting it to
ANYTHING causes it to happen.  Jeff merged mine in just before 0.15.

	What are you seeing?

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Could someone update the README to include use of the new system for the
download cache (file_sites => garchivedir) and "make garchive" please?


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Does anyone else have issues with libtool creating many many many 
duplicate library dependencies ??  I find in some packages (like 
gnome-vfs) that I'll have -L/somepathname -lnsl -lsocket (as examples) 
repeated over and over 30, 50, or 100 times for the same link.  Of 
course, many other times, they're only repeated 10 times or less.

It's so bad in some packages that I'll literally get so many repetitions 
of "-lnsl -lsocket" that the line length is exceeded and the script 
malfunctions as a result because the link line is not completed.  I 
finally had to start copying the libtool from gtk+-2.0.6 over into some 
packages, and even then had to hack it up so that it wouldn't loop 
endlessly.

Comments?

Larry
(Solaris 2.8, gcc-3.2, most common GNU packages installed)


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For that matter, and perhaps libtool's not the culprit on this, in many 
if not most packages I see my CFLAGS being repeated 3, 4, 10 times in a 
row during compilation of each file.  I can appreciate wearing a belt 
and suspenders, but can't understand the ad nauseam repetition.  

Again, is this something everyone else is seeing, or is it perhaps just 
related to my non-Linux system?  I find that hard to believe, given how 
generic GNU make and libtool are meant to be.

Larry McQueary wrote:

> Does anyone else have issues with libtool creating many many many 
> duplicate library dependencies ??  I find in some packages (like 
> gnome-vfs) that I'll have -L/somepathname -lnsl -lsocket (as examples) 
> repeated over and over 30, 50, or 100 times for the same link.  Of 
> course, many other times, they're only repeated 10 times or less.
>
> It's so bad in some packages that I'll literally get so many 
> repetitions of "-lnsl -lsocket" that the line length is exceeded and 
> the script malfunctions as a result because the link line is not 
> completed.  I finally had to start copying the libtool from gtk+-2.0.6 
> over into some packages, and even then had to hack it up so that it 
> wouldn't loop endlessly.
>
> Comments?
>
> Larry
> (Solaris 2.8, gcc-3.2, most common GNU packages installed)
>


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Example:

gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I../.. 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include/glib-2.0 
-I/home/larry/garnome/lib/glib-2.0/include 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 
-I/home/larry/garnome/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include/orbit-2.0 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include/libxml2 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include/linc-1.0 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include/gnome-vfs-module-2.0 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include/libbonobo-2.0 
-DSERVERDIR=\"/home/larry/garnome/libexec\" 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include -I/usr/local/X11R6/include 
-I/usr/local/openssl/include -I/home/larry/garnome/include 
-I/usr/local/X11R6/include -I/usr/local/openssl/include 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include -I/usr/local/X11R6/include 
-I/usr/local/openssl/include -I/home/larry/garnome/include 
-I/usr/local/X11R6/include -I/usr/local/openssl/include 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include -I/usr/local/X11R6/include 
-I/usr/local/openssl/include -I/home/larry/garnome/include 
-I/usr/local/X11R6/include -L/home/larry/garnome/lib 
-L/usr/local/X11R6/lib -I/usr/local/openssl/include -O2 -pipe -g 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include -I/usr/local/X11R6/include 
-L/home/larry/garnome/lib -L/usr/local/X11R6/lib 
-I/usr/local/openssl/include -O2 -pipe -g -I/home/larry/garnome/include 
-I/usr/local/X11R6/include -L/home/larry/garnome/lib 
-L/usr/local/X11R6/lib -I/usr/local/openssl/include -O2 -pipe -g 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include -I/usr/local/X11R6/include 
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-I/usr/local/X11R6/include -L/home/larry/garnome/lib 
-L/usr/local/X11R6/lib -I/usr/local/openssl/include -O2 -pipe -c 
help-method.c  -fPIC -DPIC -o help-method.lo
/usr/local/bin/bash ../../libtool --mode=link gcc  
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-L/home/larry/garnome/lib -L/usr/local/X11R6/lib 
-I/usr/local/openssl/include -O2 -pipe -g -I/home/larry/garnome/include 
-I/usr/local/X11R6/include -L/home/larry/garnome/lib 
-L/usr/local/X11R6/lib -I/usr/local/openssl/include -O2 -pipe -g 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include -I/usr/local/X11R6/include 
-L/home/larry/garnome/lib -L/usr/local/X11R6/lib 
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-I/usr/local/X11R6/include -L/home/larry/garnome/lib 
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-I/home/larry/garnome/include -I/usr/local/X11R6/include 
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-L/usr/local/X11R6/lib -L/usr/local/openssl/lib 
-L/home/larry/garnome/lib -L/usr/local/X11R6/lib 
-L/usr/local/openssl/lib -L/home/larry/garnome/lib 
-L/usr/local/X11R6/lib -L/usr/local/openssl/lib 
-L/home/larry/garnome/lib -L/usr/local/X11R6/lib 
-L/usr/local/openssl/lib -L/home/larry/garnome/lib 
-L/usr/local/X11R6/lib -L/usr/local/openssl/lib -o libvfs-help.la -rpath 
/home/larry/garnome/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/modules -export_dynamic 
-avoid-version help-method.lo -L/home/larry/garnome/lib -lgnomevfs-2 
-lbonobo-2 -lbonobo-activation -lORBit-2 -lxml2 -lz -lm -lsocket -lnsl 
-llinc -lgmodule-2.0 -ldl -lgobject-2.0 -lgthread-2.0 -lthread 
-lglib-2.0 -lintl -liconv   -lpopt  -liconv


ARGH!!!

Larry

Larry McQueary wrote:

> For that matter, and perhaps libtool's not the culprit on this, in 
> many if not most packages I see my CFLAGS being repeated 3, 4, 10 
> times in a row during compilation of each file.  I can appreciate 
> wearing a belt and suspenders, but can't understand the ad nauseam 
> repetition. 
> Again, is this something everyone else is seeing, or is it perhaps 
> just related to my non-Linux system?  I find that hard to believe, 
> given how generic GNU make and libtool are meant to be.
>
> Larry McQueary wrote:
>
>> Does anyone else have issues with libtool creating many many many 
>> duplicate library dependencies ??  I find in some packages (like 
>> gnome-vfs) that I'll have -L/somepathname -lnsl -lsocket (as 
>> examples) repeated over and over 30, 50, or 100 times for the same 
>> link.  Of course, many other times, they're only repeated 10 times or 
>> less.
>>
>> It's so bad in some packages that I'll literally get so many 
>> repetitions of "-lnsl -lsocket" that the line length is exceeded and 
>> the script malfunctions as a result because the link line is not 
>> completed.  I finally had to start copying the libtool from 
>> gtk+-2.0.6 over into some packages, and even then had to hack it up 
>> so that it wouldn't loop endlessly.
>>
>> Comments?
>>
>> Larry
>> (Solaris 2.8, gcc-3.2, most common GNU packages installed)
>>
>
>


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Wondering if I need to be root to do make install for gimp-print. I know 
most of the other packages can be installed as a user, since they get 
installed in $HOME/garnome. If I install gimp-print as root will it mess 
up my cups installation?

I get the following errors:

make[6]: Entering directory 
`/home/gnome2/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/gimp-print/work/gimp-print-4.2.2-rc2/src/cups'
make[7]: Entering directory 
`/home/gnome2/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/gimp-print/work/gimp-print-4.2.2-rc2/src/cups'
/bin/sh ../../scripts/mkinstalldirs /home/gnome2/garnome/bin
 /bin/sh ../../libtool  --mode=install /usr/bin/install -c  
cups-calibrate /home/gnome2/garnome/bin/cups-calibrate
/usr/bin/install -c cups-calibrate /home/gnome2/garnome/bin/cups-calibrate
/bin/sh ../../scripts/mkinstalldirs /usr/lib/cups/backend
 /bin/sh ../../libtool  --mode=install /usr/bin/install -c  epson 
/usr/lib/cups/backend/epson
/usr/bin/install -c epson /usr/lib/cups/backend/epson
/usr/bin/install: cannot remove `/usr/lib/cups/backend/epson': 
Permission denied /bin/sh ../../libtool  --mode=install /usr/bin/install 
-c  canon /usr/lib/cups/backend/canon
/usr/bin/install -c canon /usr/lib/cups/backend/canon
/usr/bin/install: cannot remove `/usr/lib/cups/backend/canon': 
Permission deniedmake[7]: *** [install-cupsexec_backendPROGRAMS] Error 1
make[7]: Leaving directory 
`/home/gnome2/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/gimp-print/work/gimp-print-4.2.2-rc2/src/cups'
make[6]: *** [install-am] Error 2
make[6]: Leaving directory 
`/home/gnome2/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/gimp-print/work/gimp-print-4.2.2-rc2/src/cups'
make[5]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
make[5]: Leaving directory 
`/home/gnome2/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/gimp-print/work/gimp-print-4.2.2-rc2/src'



regards,
syd.


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I'm seeing GARNOME take up *a lot* of space.  I could try to build it
again...  The old one deleted the work directory after it finished
building each package, the new one doesn't do this.

Sean

On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Nick Moffitt wrote:

> begin  Sean Proctor  quotation:
> > hi, I'm pretty sure BUILD_CLEAN is broken in 0.15.0, though I'm not
> > 100% positive.  At the very least it doesn't work how it used to.  I
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> 	What are you seeing?
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begin  Sean Proctor  quotation:
> I'm seeing GARNOME take up *a lot* of space.  I could try to build it
> again...  The old one deleted the work directory after it finished
> building each package, the new one doesn't do this.

What did you do with your BUILD_CLEAN variable?

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> Wondering if I need to be root to do make install for gimp-print. I know 
> most of the other packages can be installed as a user, since they get 
> installed in $HOME/garnome. If I install gimp-print as root will it mess 
> up my cups installation?

Don't bother, it's just being poopie - I meant to disable it in the 0.15.0
garball, but it uses non-standard configure flags, and I chose the wrong
one.

Basically, s/--disable-cups/--without-cups/ in the gimp-print Makefile, then
rebuild (make clean ; make install).

- Jeff

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> For that matter, and perhaps libtool's not the culprit on this, in many 
> if not most packages I see my CFLAGS being repeated 3, 4, 10 times in a 
> row during compilation of each file.  I can appreciate wearing a belt 
> and suspenders, but can't understand the ad nauseam repetition.  
> 
> Again, is this something everyone else is seeing, or is it perhaps just 
> related to my non-Linux system?  I find that hard to believe, given how 
> generic GNU make and libtool are meant to be.

Okay, the CFLAGS issue I believe is mine, however the libtool issue is
simply long standing hideousness. ;-) Happens on every platform.

- Jeff

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> Could someone update the README to include use of the new system for the
> download cache (file_sites => garchivedir) and "make garchive" please?

I'd like to do a big documentation update some time, but I'm pretty flat out
doing other things. If you would like to spend the time adding / modifying
the documentation (please modify index.html from the website, rather than
the README file itself), I would appreciate it enormously.

Thanks,

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Am Thu, 12 Sep 2002 20:37:38 +1000
Jeff Waugh  schrieb:

> Okay, the CFLAGS issue I believe is mine, however the libtool issue is
> simply long standing hideousness. ;-) Happens on every platform.

Hi

IIRC there is a patch for that in the RedHat RPM for libtool.

> - Jeff

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I uncommented the line that said to be uncommented, so BUILD_CLEAN = true

Sean

On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Nick Moffitt wrote:

> begin  Sean Proctor  quotation:
> > I'm seeing GARNOME take up *a lot* of space.  I could try to build it
> > again...  The old one deleted the work directory after it finished
> > building each package, the new one doesn't do this.
>
> What did you do with your BUILD_CLEAN variable?
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Hi folks,

I just built garnome 0.15 on one of my machines and I noticed that the menu
is a lot shorter than it used to be :->  The desktop's "Applications" menu
doesn't seem to have any apps in it, no games, no internet apps, etc. even-
though the apps are physically present (have been compiled correctly).

Is this a known issue or am I doing something wrong?  0.14.1 was just fine.

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Hi all: I installed garnome 0.15.0 last night. I am still having problems
with gnome-panel. I lost my bottom panel 2 or 3 garnomes ago and have
been trying to replace it ever since. I was able to add a panel this
time but it is only 2 inches wide! And I can not get it any wider? I
still think the work place switcher also has a bug in it. It will not
let me have my 8 work places I like to have. And help still crashes on
me also?

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> Hi all: I installed garnome 0.15.0 last night. I am still having problems
> with gnome-panel. I lost my bottom panel 2 or 3 garnomes ago and have been
> trying to replace it ever since. I was able to add a panel this time but
> it is only 2 inches wide! And I can not get it any wider?

Right click on the panel, choose 'New Panel'. Each submenu there creates a
different kind of panel. Sounds like you want an edge panel.

> I still think the work place switcher also has a bug in it. It will not
> let me have my 8 work places I like to have.

How are you setting up your workspaces?

> And help still crashes on me also?

If it crashes, and you've built with debugging compiled in (as per default),
make sure you submit backtraces to bugzilla via bug-buddy (the crash dialog
will ask you to).

- Jeff

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Anyway,=20

I've managed to get X to attemp to use gnome2.  Here is the problem I =
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Please contact your system administrator to resolve the following =
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> I've managed to get X to attemp to use gnome2.  Here is the problem I get
> immedietly at login:
> 
> Please contact your system administrator to resolve the following problem:
> Could not resolve the address
> "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory" in the configuration file
> "/home/mark/garnome/etc/gconf/2/path": Failed: Could not make directory
> `/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory': No such file or directory

Remove these from your garnome/etc/gconf/2/path file.

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  When using make install, I get the following error in pkgconfig :

make[5]: Entering directory `/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/glib'
[=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D NOW BUILDING:    glib-2.0.6      =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D]
         [fetch] complete for glib.
         [checksum] complete for glib.
         [extract] complete for glib.
         [patch] complete for glib.
  =3D=3D> Building gnome/pkgconfig as a dependency
make[6]: Entering directory =
`/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/pkgconfig'
[=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D NOW BUILDING:    pkgconfig-0.12.0        =
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D]
         [fetch] complete for pkgconfig.
         [checksum] complete for pkgconfig.
         [extract] complete for pkgconfig.
         [patch] complete for pkgconfig.
  =3D=3D> Running configure in work/pkgconfig-0.12.0
configure: warning: /bin: invalid host type
configure: warning: /sbin: invalid host type
configure: error: can only configure for one host and one target at a =
time
make[6]: *** [configure-work/pkgconfig-0.12.0/configure] Error 1
make[6]: Leaving directory =
`/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/pkgconfig'
make[5]: *** [dep-../../gnome/pkgconfig] Error 2
make[5]: Leaving directory `/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/glib'
make[4]: *** [dep-../../gnome/glib] Error 2
make[4]: Leaving directory `/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/atk'
make[3]: *** [dep-../../gnome/atk] Error 2
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/gtk+'
make[2]: *** [dep-../../gnome/gtk+] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory=20
`/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/misc/redhat-artwork'
make[1]: *** [install] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/misc'
make: *** [install] Error 2
[root@l-at6122 garnome-0.15.0]#

  Help !

	Fabrice
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[=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D NOW BUILDING:    =
glib-2.0.6      =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D]


         =
[fetch] complete for glib.


         =
[checksum] complete for glib.


         =
[extract] complete for glib.


         =
[patch] complete for glib.


  =3D=3D> Building gnome/pkgconfig as a =
dependency


make[6]: Entering directory =
`/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/pkgconfig'


[=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D NOW BUILDING:    =
pkgconfig-0.12.0        =
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D]


         =
[fetch] complete for pkgconfig.


         =
[checksum] complete for pkgconfig.


         =
[extract] complete for pkgconfig.


         =
[patch] complete for pkgconfig.


  =3D=3D> Running configure in =
work/pkgconfig-0.12.0


configure: warning: /bin: invalid host type


configure: warning: /sbin: invalid host type


configure: error: can only configure for one host and =
one target at a time


make[6]: *** =
[configure-work/pkgconfig-0.12.0/configure] Error 1


make[6]: Leaving directory =
`/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/pkgconfig'


make[5]: *** [dep-../../gnome/pkgconfig] Error =
2


make[5]: Leaving directory =
`/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/glib'


make[4]: *** [dep-../../gnome/glib] Error 2


make[4]: Leaving directory =
`/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/atk'


make[3]: *** [dep-../../gnome/atk] Error 2


make[3]: Leaving directory =
`/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/gtk+'


make[2]: *** [dep-../../gnome/gtk+] Error 2


make[2]: Leaving directory 


`/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/misc/redhat-artwork'


make[1]: *** [install] Error 2


make[1]: Leaving directory =
`/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/misc'


make: *** [install] Error 2


[root@l-at6122 garnome-0.15.0]#




  Help !




        Fabrice


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Hi

While building 0.15, I noticed that it was building freetype 2.1.2 even
though freetype 2.1.2 was already installed (albiet in /usr prefix - and
Garnome previx is /opt/gnome2). Is it possible to make Garnome use the
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while on the topic of panels... how come the panel that starts at the top
of gnome2 by default can't have its properties changed?  and if I delete
it, it's pretty impossible to recreate.

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> while on the topic of panels... how come the panel that starts at the top
> of gnome2 by default can't have its properties changed?

That's the menu panel - it has no properties.

> and if I delete it, it's pretty impossible to recreate.

If you delete it, you must have another panel running (or you're no longer
running gnome-panel at all, because you can't delete the last panel within
the user interface). Right click on the panel > New Panel > Menu Panel.

Done.

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Hi Vichaya

Thanks for your help.I checked with Redhat but couldn't find the
required package to run Garnome on Redhat 7.3.

Do you know where I can find them??

Regards

Clenio


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> Hi Clenio,
>=20
> You should read the README file to make sure that you have all the requir=
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> missing is "gettext".  Check with your distribution vendor for the exact
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> > yelp-window.c: In function `window_populate':
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> > yelp-window.c:265: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
> > yelp-window.c:265: for each function it appears in.)
> > make[4]: *** [yelp-window.o] Error 1
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> > make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/yelp'
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> Thanks for your help.I checked with Redhat but couldn't find the
> required package to run Garnome on Redhat 7.3.
> 
> Do you know where I can find them??

The GNOME 2.0 Desktop release notes:

  http://www.gnome.org/start/2.0/

- Jeff

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Been wondering whats up with this domain for a while now. I'm pretty 
sure it's been down for over a month at least. Can't seem to find 
gtk-cleanice anywhere else either.......If anyone has the cleanice 
package, I'll post it up! Not a big deal, just wanted to see if anyone 
knew the scoop.

Jeff - I noticed gnomeicu slipped in recently, are you just tossing in 
packages that work good, or do you have some criteria they have to meet? 
Balsa, gFTP, Gnomemeeting are some apps that come to mind that would be 
great addition to the mix.


Ryan Quarry


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> Been wondering whats up with this domain for a while now. I'm pretty sure
> it's been down for over a month at least. Can't seem to find gtk-cleanice
> anywhere else either.......If anyone has the cleanice package, I'll post
> it up! Not a big deal, just wanted to see if anyone knew the scoop.

Oh. See, I use a GARCHIVE, which means I sometimes don't find out about
download issues... I'll have to ask dobey what he's doing with cleanice.

> Jeff - I noticed gnomeicu slipped in recently, are you just tossing in
> packages that work good, or do you have some criteria they have to meet?
> Balsa, gFTP, Gnomemeeting are some apps that come to mind that would be
> great addition to the mix.

Balsa hasn't been added yet because the current tarball release doesn't
build / work reliably enough for me to put it in yet (libesmtp is in the
misc directory however, so it's ready to go when Balsa is), gFTP isn't in
because I hadn't thought of it yet, thanks for the suggestion! :)
GnomeMeeting isn't in yet because it has annoyingly hard to build
dependencies, and because they're 'weird', I'd like to distribute them with
GARNOME to make life easy for everyone.

- Jeff

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-Mark


 


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Hello Garnome,
I've just installed Garnome/Gnome2. I did this as root and it has install=
ed to=20
"file/root/garnome". I'm wondering if this is correct or will gnome2 only=
 run=20
as root?
If it's wrong can it be fixed? anndd.......
If it's correct - how do I get it working on my Mandrake 8.2 system?
Many Thanks
Richard

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Due to the permissions of /root/, only root will be able to run gnome2,
it's probably a better idea to build it as another user.

Alex

On Sat, 2002-09-14 at 20:24, Richard Bond wrote:
> Hello Garnome,
> I've just installed Garnome/Gnome2. I did this as root and it has installed to 
> "file/root/garnome". I'm wondering if this is correct or will gnome2 only run 
> as root?
> If it's wrong can it be fixed? anndd.......
> If it's correct - how do I get it working on my Mandrake 8.2 system?
> Many Thanks
> Richard
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you can chmod o+rx /root, that should solve your problems... you basically
just need to make sure everyone has read access to the files (as far as I
know).

if you want GNOME2 to be available to all users and you don't want it in
/root, you're probably better off putting in in /opt/garnome or
/usr/local/garnome rather than just a different user's home directory.

Sean

On 14 Sep 2002, Alex Duggan wrote:

> Due to the permissions of /root/, only root will be able to run gnome2,
> it's probably a better idea to build it as another user.
>
> Alex
>
> On Sat, 2002-09-14 at 20:24, Richard Bond wrote:
> > Hello Garnome,
> > I've just installed Garnome/Gnome2. I did this as root and it has installed to
> > "file/root/garnome". I'm wondering if this is correct or will gnome2 only run
> > as root?
> > If it's wrong can it be fixed? anndd.......
> > If it's correct - how do I get it working on my Mandrake 8.2 system?
> > Many Thanks
> > Richard
> > --
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> > garnome-list@gnome.org
> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/garnome-list
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> My question is how do I uninstall the Ximian version of Gnome.

Remove the packages, not really on-topic for this list.

> I'm guessing all that is required to remove garnome is to delete
> $HOME/garnome?

Yes.

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GARNOME 0.16.0: "Hot Morning Furnace"
=====================================

GARNOME - the bad-ass, bleeding edge GNOME distribution for testers and
tweakers everywhere. If you're dying to test the latest GNOME 2.0 Desktop
releases, but don't want to fall into the depraved addictions and
co-dependencies of testing from anonymous CVS, then GARNOME is for you.

[ In other words, GARNOME is a build system for GNOME 2.x which includes the
developer platform and desktop releases, as well as a host of other software
ported to the GNOME 2.x platform. Everything is as easy to build as 'make
install'. We call it a 'distribution' because it's sanity-tested and often
patched before release, for your convenience and enjoyment. ;-) ]


What's New?
-----------

  * Updated to GNOME 2.0.2.
  
  * Added: koffice - the KDE office suite, mergeant - what used to be
    gnome-db.
  
  * Fixed: Mess in category files.
  
  * Fixed: gimp-print's CUPS stuff was attempting to install out of prefix.
    Fixed the hard way.
  
  * Fixed: quick-lounge-applets uncommented. ;-)
  
  * Fixed: Disabled -Werror -Wall on rhythmbox and gst-plugins, thanks to
    ajmitch.
 

Where Do I Get It?
------------------

The tarball and documentation [1] are available on the GARNOME website:

  http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/garnome/


Enjoy G2D and GARNOME. :-)

- Jeff

[1] People who don't read the documentation tend to look pretty silly on
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Hi,

I ran:

# apt-get install gnome2 -t experimental

And got:

Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.

Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
that package should be filed.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies:
  gnome2: Depends: gnome-control-center2 but it is not going to be
  installed
          Depends: gnome-applets2 but it is not going to be installed
          Depends: gnome-panel2 but it is not going to be
	          installed
          Depends: nautilus2 but it is not going
		  to be installed

E: Sorry, broken packages

Anything I can do to get over this?

TIA.


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My experience is the same - for instance bonobo-config:
dunadan:/home/kerka# apt-cache show bonobo-config
Package: bonobo-config
Priority: optional
Section: devel
Installed-Size: 284
Maintainer: Takuo KITAME 
Architecture: i386
Version: 0.106.0-6
Depends: libbonobo-activation4 (>= 0.9.5), libbonobo-config0 (>=
0.106.0), libbonobo2-0 (>= 1.112.0), libc6 (>= 2.2.4-4), libglib1.3-15
(>= 1.3.15), liblinc1 (>= 0.1.18), liborbit2 (>= 2.3.105), libpopt0 (>=
1.6.2-1), libxml2 (>= 2.4.0-1), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.3)
Filename: pool/main/b/bonobo-config/bonobo-config_0.106.0-6_i386.deb
Size: 33276
MD5sum: 241413e41cf148d8ee6a17a5bd2f4fcc
Description: The Bonobo Configuration System for GNOME2
 The Bonobo Configuration System (BCS) consists of several parts. An API
to
 access configuration data, a database to store configuration values in
XML
 format and a system to visualise and edit configuration data.
 The whole system is built on top of bonobo and ORBit (CORBA)

dunadan:/home/kerka# apt-get -u -t experimental install bonobo-config
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.

Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
that package should be filed.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies:
  bonobo-config: Depends: libglib1.3-15 (>= 1.3.15) but it is not
installable
E: Sorry, broken packages

My two questions:
1. where can I find missing packages?
2. is anywhere list of all needed packages?

I have gnome-control-center2 installed:
dunadan:/home/kerka# dpkg -l gnome-control-center*
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
|
Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err:
uppercase=bad)
||/ Name           Version        Description
+++-==============-==============-============================================
pn  gnome-control-          (no description available)
un  gnome-control-          (no description available)
ii  gnome-control- 2.0.1.1-1      The GNOME Control Center for GNOME 2
.
BUT when I run gnome 2 I can't find it in menu, but i can run it from
terminal. I must have something missing ...
Thanks for zour help, folks ...
Vlada


On Sun, 2002-09-15 at 20:13, the jackol wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I ran:
> 
> # apt-get install gnome2 -t experimental
> 
> And got:
> 
> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
> or been moved out of Incoming.
> 
> Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
> the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
> that package should be filed.
> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
> 
> Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies:
>   gnome2: Depends: gnome-control-center2 but it is not going to be
>   installed
>           Depends: gnome-applets2 but it is not going to be installed
>           Depends: gnome-panel2 but it is not going to be
> 	          installed
>           Depends: nautilus2 but it is not going
> 		  to be installed
> 
> E: Sorry, broken packages
> 
> Anything I can do to get over this?
> 
> TIA.
> 
> 
> -- 
> The best book on programming for the layman is "Alice in Wonderland";
> but that's because it's the best book on anything for the layman.
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> I ran:
> 
> # apt-get install gnome2 -t experimental
> 
> And got:

Dude. This is garnome-list@gnome.org. Not debian-gtk-gnome@lists.debian.org.

Kapish?

Thanks,

- Jeff

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It's nice of you that you tried so hard to help and not to give
"emperor's advices" ...
Vlada
On Sun, 2002-09-15 at 21:04, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> 
> > I ran:
> > 
> > # apt-get install gnome2 -t experimental
> > 
> > And got:
> 
> Dude. This is garnome-list@gnome.org. Not debian-gtk-gnome@lists.debian.org.
> 
> Kapish?
> 
> Thanks,
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> - Jeff
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> It's nice of you that you tried so hard to help and not to give
> "emperor's advices" ...

It's off topic for this list. I happen to use Debian myself, but most
GARNOME users don't, so they're not interested in questions that are
completely unrelated to it.

Thanks,

- Jeff

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From what I understand, Jeff did try to help.  He pointed to a list that
has some relevence to the problem this person was having.  I'm sure people
at that list could help much more than anyone here.  I've found most of
Jeff's criticisms of people rather witty and not particularly harsh.
Anyway, keep up the great work!

Sean

PS was BUILD_CLEAN fixed in 0.16.0?  Has anyone witnessed it being broken
since the merge with upstream GAR?

On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, Jeff Waugh wrote:

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>
> > It's nice of you that you tried so hard to help and not to give
> > "emperor's advices" ...
>
> It's off topic for this list. I happen to use Debian myself, but most
> GARNOME users don't, so they're not interested in questions that are
> completely unrelated to it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> - Jeff
>
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>                       far as films go." - Cody Russell
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Hi. I currently have garnome 0.14.1 installed. I want to install garnome
0.16.1. I'm wondering if there is a way to make it just download and
compile the things that have changed, rather than the whole thing again. I
have a P166 so you can imagine how long it would take!

Thanks.

- Jason


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Dear Jeff,

Thanks for this new release.

It compiled in about 3 hours on a Athlon 1200 with 768MB of memory, I'll 
try to send you some detailed information on the next compile.

I'm using the athlon optimizations for GCC 3.2. After compilation I've 
got 407MB of software. It might be time to update the webpage slightly 
as we are now 180MB above the 225MB advertised there. I'm still enjoying 
this great gnome development even after the 10th recompile sinceI've 
started using garnome just to keep up with the various releases and 
improvements you've made to this package :-)

Thanks and keep e'm coming

Stef

Jeff Waugh wrote:

>GARNOME 0.16.0: "Hot Morning Furnace"
>=====================================
>
>GARNOME - the bad-ass, bleeding edge GNOME distribution for testers and
>tweakers everywhere. If you're dying to test the latest GNOME 2.0 Desktop
>releases, but don't want to fall into the depraved addictions and
>co-dependencies of testing from anonymous CVS, then GARNOME is for you.
>
>[ In other words, GARNOME is a build system for GNOME 2.x which includes the
>developer platform and desktop releases, as well as a host of other software
>ported to the GNOME 2.x platform. Everything is as easy to build as 'make
>install'. We call it a 'distribution' because it's sanity-tested and often
>patched before release, for your convenience and enjoyment. ;-) ]
>
>
>What's New?
>-----------
>
>  * Updated to GNOME 2.0.2.
>  
>  * Added: koffice - the KDE office suite, mergeant - what used to be
>    gnome-db.
>  
>  * Fixed: Mess in category files.
>  
>  * Fixed: gimp-print's CUPS stuff was attempting to install out of prefix.
>    Fixed the hard way.
>  
>  * Fixed: quick-lounge-applets uncommented. ;-)
>  
>  * Fixed: Disabled -Werror -Wall on rhythmbox and gst-plugins, thanks to
>    ajmitch.
> 
>
>Where Do I Get It?
>------------------
>
>The tarball and documentation [1] are available on the GARNOME website:
>
>  http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/garnome/
>
>
>Enjoy G2D and GARNOME. :-)
>
>- Jeff
>
>[1] People who don't read the documentation tend to look pretty silly on
>garnome-list and in #garnome.
>
>  
>




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While compiling the fifth-toe applicatons, the cups stuff tried to remove some
files in /usr/lib/cups which obviously failed.

I'm using RH7.3 on an Athlon, and I haven't installed since the 0.13.1 days (I
feel so far behind!).  Anyway, to get past it, I had to su to root, do the
install, and then cancel when the next one started.  At which point I was able
to finish the "make install" in the fifth-toe directory.

Here's the stuff it whined about:

Making install in cups
make[6]: Entering directory
`/usr/local/src/garnome-0.16.1/gnome/gimp-print/work/gimp-print-4.2.2-rc2/src/cups'
make[7]: Entering directory
`/usr/local/src/garnome-0.16.1/gnome/gimp-print/work/gimp-print-4.2.2-rc2/src/cups'
/bin/sh ../../scripts/mkinstalldirs /home/yorgasor/garnome/bin
 /bin/sh ../../libtool  --mode=install /usr/bin/install -c  cups-calibrate
/home/yorgasor/garnome/bin/cups-calibrate
/usr/bin/install -c cups-calibrate /home/yorgasor/garnome/bin/cups-calibrate
/bin/sh ../../scripts/mkinstalldirs /usr/lib/cups/backend
 /bin/sh ../../libtool  --mode=install /usr/bin/install -c  epson
/usr/lib/cups/backend/epson
/usr/bin/install -c epson /usr/lib/cups/backend/epson
/usr/bin/install: cannot remove `/usr/lib/cups/backend/epson': Permission
denied
 /bin/sh ../../libtool  --mode=install /usr/bin/install -c  canon
/usr/lib/cups/backend/canon
/usr/bin/install -c canon /usr/lib/cups/backend/canon
/usr/bin/install: cannot remove `/usr/lib/cups/backend/canon': Permission
denied
make[7]: *** [install-cupsexec_backendPROGRAMS] Error 1
make[7]: Leaving directory
`/usr/local/src/garnome-0.16.1/gnome/gimp-print/work/gimp-print-4.2.2-rc2/src/cups'
make[6]: *** [install-am] Error 2
make[6]: Leaving directory
`/usr/local/src/garnome-0.16.1/gnome/gimp-print/work/gimp-print-4.2.2-rc2/src/cups'
make[5]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
make[5]: Leaving directory
`/usr/local/src/garnome-0.16.1/gnome/gimp-print/work/gimp-print-4.2.2-rc2/src'
make[4]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
make[4]: Leaving directory
`/usr/local/src/garnome-0.16.1/gnome/gimp-print/work/gimp-print-4.2.2-rc2'
make[3]: *** [install-work/gimp-print-4.2.2-rc2/Makefile] Error 2
make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/garnome-0.16.1/gnome/gimp-print'
make[2]: *** [dep-../../gnome/gimp-print] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/garnome-0.16.1/gnome/gimp'
make[1]: *** [dep-../../gnome/gimp] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/garnome-0.16.1/gnome/gimp-freetype'
make: *** [dep-../../gnome/gimp-freetype] Error 2


/*============================================================================
 * Ron Yorgason, DORK
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> From what I understand, Jeff did try to help.  He pointed to a list that
> has some relevence to the problem this person was having.  I'm sure people
> at that list could help much more than anyone here.  I've found most of
> Jeff's criticisms of people rather witty and not particularly harsh.

Heh, yes, they're generally meant to be taken lightly. Except for the LFS
jokes. They're usually deadly serious, like a clown holding a nuclear
physicist to your head.

> PS was BUILD_CLEAN fixed in 0.16.0?  Has anyone witnessed it being broken
> since the merge with upstream GAR?

Setting it to anything should make it work...

- Jeff

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> While compiling the fifth-toe applicatons, the cups stuff tried to remove some
> files in /usr/lib/cups which obviously failed.

It's trying to install stuff, rather than remove stuff. This is very
annoying, I was sure I'd fixed this for this release... Will try to work it
out with the gimp-print dudes some time.

Thanks,

- Jeff

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> Hi. I currently have garnome 0.14.1 installed. I want to install garnome
> 0.16.1. I'm wondering if there is a way to make it just download and
> compile the things that have changed, rather than the whole thing again. I
> have a P166 so you can imagine how long it would take!

Not right now, though you can use a cache of the stuff you've downloaded ->
see the GARCHIVE variable in gar.conf.mk.

I'm going to work on minimal-compile upgrade stuff soon.

- Jeff

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On Mon, 2002-09-16 at 05:04, Jeff Waugh wrote:

> It's trying to install stuff, rather than remove stuff. This is very
> annoying, I was sure I'd fixed this for this release... Will try to work it
> out with the gimp-print dudes some time.

the gimp-print/Makefile for 0.16.1 did not contain the configure switch.
And if I didn't make a stupid mistake, for me only --with-cups=no works,
not --without-cups as was set in 0.15.1



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> On Mon, 2002-09-16 at 05:04, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> > It's trying to install stuff, rather than remove stuff. This is very
> > annoying, I was sure I'd fixed this for this release... Will try to work it
> > out with the gimp-print dudes some time.
> 
> the gimp-print/Makefile for 0.16.1 did not contain the configure switch.
> And if I didn't make a stupid mistake, for me only --with-cups=no works,
> not --without-cups as was set in 0.15.1

Yeeeesh. :-)

Thanks, I'll put that in.

- Jeff

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> Hi. I currently have garnome 0.14.1 installed. I want to install garnome
> 0.16.1. I'm wondering if there is a way to make it just download and
> compile the things that have changed, rather than the whole thing again. =
I
> have a P166 so you can imagine how long it would take!

Since 0.12 I have been updating the tree. So not recompiling each new
version. I just diff-ed over the Makefiles to see what changed.
Than I edited each Makefile by hand and recompiled. So far I have had
little trouble.
I did start recompiling 0.16, to get a clean install-tree. I probably
have a few libraries of different version installed and so on.
Also menu-editing didn't work for me anymore, after the recompile with
0.16 this worked again. And this is probably also because the dynamic
linker used some older version.
But since  all newer releases are ABI/API-compatible, there have been no
stability problems.


Here my one-liner for the diff:

for dir in `ls garnome-0.12.1/gnome/`;do diff -u
garnome-0.12.1/gnome/$dir/Makefile garnome-0.16.0/gnome/$dir/Makefile >>
garnome-new.diff;done


Have fun,

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> Since 0.12 I have been updating the tree. So not recompiling each new
> version. I just diff-ed over the Makefiles to see what changed.  Than I
> edited each Makefile by hand and recompiled. So far I have had little
> trouble.

That's essentially what I'm going to do with the new update system, it will
run diffs, check which files are changed, and keep going.

The only issue is binary files in the tree, which I've tried to minimise. I
think there's only the one bzipped patch at the moment. Everything else is
downloaded. I'm going to unbzip that patch and possibly bzip the main
archive... Hmm.

Anyway, yes, coming soon to a GARNOME near you.

- Jeff

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Hi all,

Something I've been thinking out during the last releases: is it
important to install a new GARNOME release to a new directory? I used to
install one release to the default path and the next one to
~/Software/garnome. Added benefit is of course that you always have a
working version :-).

Now, this is no problem on my home computer, but at university I'm
running low on disk space, and I started installing to the default path
all the time. Is this okay, or should I delete the old release first?

Thanks,

Martijn

PS On the off-topic thread on Debian experimental - I wonder how many
people moved to GARNOME for the very reason that GNOME 2 is a mess in
Debian unstable at the moment ... I know I did!




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> Something I've been thinking out during the last releases: is it important
> to install a new GARNOME release to a new directory? I used to install one
> release to the default path and the next one to ~/Software/garnome. Added
> benefit is of course that you always have a working version :-).
> 
> Now, this is no problem on my home computer, but at university I'm running
> low on disk space, and I started installing to the default path all the
> time. Is this okay, or should I delete the old release first?

Well, I generally do it for testing reasons, but I'd recommend it for
cleanliness reasons too. :-)

> PS On the off-topic thread on Debian experimental - I wonder how many
> people moved to GARNOME for the very reason that GNOME 2 is a mess in
> Debian unstable at the moment ... I know I did!

Yeah, lots of people have mentioned this. I've been helping the Debian
people with their attempts to move to GNOME 2, but it's a bit of a mess.
Mostly just communication and organisation though.

It should be mentioned however, that GARNOME is not here for that reason,
it's designed for GNOME testers first and foremost.

- Jeff

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in 16.1, meta/gnome-office won't build unless you change the Makefile
to look for gnome/mergeant instead of gnome/gnome-db.  Just thought
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-eric

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> in 16.1, meta/gnome-office won't build unless you change the Makefile
> to look for gnome/mergeant instead of gnome/gnome-db.  Just thought
> you should know.

See 0.16.2. :-)

Thanks,

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In Garnome 0.16.2, I have been trying to find how I would pre-fetch the 
packages needed for the compile, without having to run the compile at 
the same time.  I tried the obvious ones (ones I could see in the 
makefiles) of fetch, pre-fetch, etc.  The most that happened was that 
"make fetch" created an empty "download" directory under meta/gnome-desktop.


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Excuse my ignorance if this is a stupid question, but I'm unable to set 
the background picture or change the default colours.  Is Gnome2 
dependant on Nautilus to deal with these options or am I missing 
something?  Thanks in advance!


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> In Garnome 0.16.2, I have been trying to find how I would pre-fetch the
> packages needed for the compile, without having to run the compile at the
> same time.  I tried the obvious ones (ones I could see in the makefiles)
> of fetch, pre-fetch, etc.  The most that happened was that "make fetch"
> created an empty "download" directory under meta/gnome-desktop.

make fetch in meta/gnome-desktop will only make fetch for that garball,
so... You need to make fetch in the root build directory.

However, I strongly recommend that you 'make paranoid-checksum', as this
will stop and tell you if the files are incorrectly downloaded.

- Jeff

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Will it make uninstall older packages, too, so that there aren't any unnecessary
legacy files lying around?

Jeff Waugh had the audacity to claim:

>> Since 0.12 I have been updating the tree. So not recompiling each new
>> version. I just diff-ed over the Makefiles to see what changed.  Than I
>> edited each Makefile by hand and recompiled. So far I have had little
>> trouble.
>
>That's essentially what I'm going to do with the new update system, it will
>run diffs, check which files are changed, and keep going.

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> >That's essentially what I'm going to do with the new update system, it
> >will run diffs, check which files are changed, and keep going.
> 
> Will it make uninstall older packages, too, so that there aren't any
> unnecessary legacy files lying around?

Given that we can *almost* rely on make uninstall working for auto* GNOME
stuff, yes. We can also do it for manifest installs, but we don't have
anything using that feature in GARNOME.

The only issue with make uninstall is that you need the sources present to
do it, which a lot of people don't want to keep lying around.

Testers should, though, so that's fine. :-)

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begin  Jeff Waugh  quotation:
> The only issue with make uninstall is that you need the sources
> present to do it, which a lot of people don't want to keep lying
> around.

	Well, it's possible to generate a temporary dir and store the
filelist from an install.  Try a "make tarball" and look in tmp.  The
stuff in there should be enough to make a list for an uninstall rule.

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> begin  Jeff Waugh  quotation:
> > The only issue with make uninstall is that you need the sources
> > present to do it, which a lot of people don't want to keep lying
> > around.
> 
> 	Well, it's possible to generate a temporary dir and store the
> filelist from an install.  Try a "make tarball" and look in tmp.  The
> stuff in there should be enough to make a list for an uninstall rule.

Yeah, was just looking through GAR and considering doing that... Bit
complicated compared to what I'm doing now, but doable.

Thanks,

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begin  Jeff Waugh  quotation:
> Yeah, was just looking through GAR and considering doing that... Bit
> complicated compared to what I'm doing now, but doable.

You could also just keep the Makefiles around from the source and
little else...

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		Hello,
	Here is the question I send to the balsa mailing list and the 
answer.
	But freetype and pango are both from garnome, no ? and pango is 
built with freetype 2.1.2.
	So, where is the problem ??

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On Mon, 2002-09-16 at 10:22, Olivier Guéry wrote:
>               Hello,
>          Trying to compile balsa 2.0.2 and cvs snapshots, always return 
> me the same error :
> 
> /home/nemo/garnome/lib/libpangoxft-1.0.so: undefined reference to 
> `FT_Stream_GetShort'
> /home/nemo/garnome/lib/libpangoxft-1.0.so: undefined reference to 
> `FT_Stream_ExitFrame'
> /home/nemo/garnome/lib/libpangoxft-1.0.so: undefined reference to 
> `FT_Stream_GetLong'
> /home/nemo/garnome/lib/libpangoxft-1.0.so: undefined reference to 
> `FT_Stream_Seek'
> /home/nemo/garnome/lib/libpangoxft-1.0.so: undefined reference to 
> `FT_Stream_EnterFrame'
> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
> make[2]: *** [balsa] Erreur 1
> make[2]: Quitte le répertoire `/sources/balsa-2.0.2/src'
> make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Erreur 1
> make[1]: Quitte le répertoire `/sources/balsa-2.0.2'
> make: *** [all] Erreur 2
> 
>          I'm using gnome 2 with garnome 0.16.1, pango 1.0.4 and 
> freetype is 2.1.2
> 
>          Is it a known bug or may I change something ?
Hi,

This pango binary is probably linked against freetype 2.0.x.
Upgrade/recompile pango with freetype 2.1.2 and should work.
Or downgrade freetype to 2.0.x.
If you will try to compile any gtk2.xx program (from examples) you will
get the same error. This is not balsa problem.

Regards,

Olaf Fraczyk




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> 	But freetype and pango are both from garnome, no ? and pango is 
> built with freetype 2.1.2.
> 	So, where is the problem ??

It's linking to your system freetype, not the one in GARNOME.

- Jeff

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Le 2002.09.16 07:38, Mario Vukelic a écrit :
> On Mon, 2002-09-16 at 05:04, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> > It's trying to install stuff, rather than remove stuff. This is very
> > annoying, I was sure I'd fixed this for this release... Will try to
> work it
> > out with the gimp-print dudes some time.
> 
> the gimp-print/Makefile for 0.16.1 did not contain the configure
> switch.
> And if I didn't make a stupid mistake, for me only --with-cups=no
> works,
> not --without-cups as was set in 0.15.1

		Hello,
	Here is the newbie quetsion : Where should I set this option ?

		nemo.

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Hi ppl,

A while ago I promised to make a garball for fontconfig. I did some
feeble attempt for it, but I really didn't want to screw up my gnome2
for it. I was badly needing it to get some work done.

But this weekend I started compiling Garnome 0.16 from scratch, normally
I just look at the diff. And yesterday-evening I compiled fontconfig for
this fresh and thus still warm installation of gnome 2.0.2.
I kept some notes on my progress and steps I made, so I could share it
with you guys.

Well... here it is:

First of all I installed gnome2 in /opt/garnome, so please change any
references to this directory for your installation-directory of gnome.

The first step I took was installing the latest freetype in the
garnome-tree and compile it. I attached a garball for this purpose

	- unpack free-garball in garnome-tree
	- cd gnome/freetype
        - make install
	- cd ../pango
	- make clean
	- make install

So far no fontconfig stuff, the pango recompile isn't even needed. But
it does confirm you have freetype running properly. You should also make
sure pango uses the correct freetype libraries. You can do this with
'ldd', but you do need to set 'LD_LIBRARY_PATH' correctly before
checking.
At this point you could be happy with the newest freetype. The following
steps probably also work with the freetype already installed in your
system, which is most likely to be 2.0.9.

First you will need to grab the fontconfig-package from the website
(www.fontconfig.org). It talks about a 2.0 download somewhere.
Unpack it somewhere, e.g. under /usr/src

	- cd /usr/src/fcpackage.2_0/fontconfig/
	- ./configure --prefix=/opt/garnome
--with-confdir=/opt/garnome/etc/fonts
--with-freetype-includes=/opt/garnome/include/freetype2/
--with-freetype-lib=/opt/garnome/lib/
--with-freetype-config=/opt/garnome/bin/freetype-config
	(all on one line)
	- make sure it found expat.h and freetype.h
	- make && make install
	- cd ../Xft
	- apply the following patch to the 'configure.in' file, to change the
order in which libraries are found
----- START PATCH (don't include this line) ------
--- configure.in.orig	Tue Sep 17 08:02:37 2002
+++ configure.in	Mon Sep 16 21:56:35 2002
@@ -178,9 +178,9 @@
 esac
 
 saved_LIBS="$LIBS"
-LIBS="$LIBS $FREETYPE_LIBS"
+LIBS="$FREETYPE_LIBS $LIBS"
 saved_CPPFLAGS="$CPPFLAGS"
-CPPFLAGS="$CPPFLAGS $FREETYPE_CFLAGS"
+CPPFLAGS="$FREETYPE_CFLAGS $CPPFLAGS"
 AC_CHECK_HEADERS(freetype/freetype.h)
 
 case "$ac_cv_header_freetype_freetype_h" in
----- END PATCH (don't include this line) -----

	- ./configure --prefix=/opt/garnome
--with-fontconfig-config=/opt/garnome/bin/fontconfig-config
--with-fontconfig-lib=/opt/garnome/lib/
--with-fontconfig-includes=/opt/garnome/include/
--with-freetype-includes=/opt/garnome/include/freetype2
--with-freetype-lib=/opt/garnome/lib/
--with-freetype-config=/opt/garnome/bin/freetype-config
	- make && make install

So far everything is installed into the same directory as gnome2 is
installed. The following package however is installed in the
X11-directory on your system. This shouldn't cause any problems, but I
needed to mention this.

	- cd ../Xrender
	- xmkmf -a
	- make && make install

Now we are almost ready. Only pango doesn't know about fontconfig yet.
The version installed with garnome doesn't support fontconfig. But the
attached Makefile for your garnome-pango directory downloads a beta of
pango with support for fontconfig. I also attached the checksums file.

	- cp Makefile /usr/src/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/pango
	- cp checksum /usr/src/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/pango
	- cd /usr/src/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/pango
	- make install

Now only gtk needs to be recompiled, it already has support for
fontconfig, so no new version is needed.

	- cd ../gtk+
	- make clean
	- make install

Alright... now you should have a spiffy gnome2 using fontconfig. I
suggest to reboot or otherwise make sure all gnome2 libraries are
unloaded. I normally do this by going into runlevel 3 (telinit 3),
killing any processes still runnning. And then going back to runlevel 5
(telinit 5).
This is enough for me, since I use gdm2. When you use gdm2, and click on
the 'language'-button you might be able to see chinese/japanese or
whatever correctly rendered. At least I see them. And if you don't you
either haven't got the right fonts installed or fontconfig didn't find
them.
You can add more font-directories in /opt/garnom/etc/fonts/fonts.conf. I
attached my version of the file. But this probably has a few
directories, that actually shouldn't be included.

If you have any problems with the above walk-through just let me know.

Have fun,

-A.



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DISTFILES =3D $(GARNAME)-$(GARVERSION).tar.gz

MASTER_SITES =3D ftp://ftp.gtk.org/pub/gtk/v2.1/

LIBDEPS =3D gnome/glib misc/freetype

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 #FIXME: blurb goes here
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	/usr/share/fonts
	/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts
	/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1
	/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF
	/usr/share/fonts/default/Type1
	/usr/share/fonts/ttf/armenian
	/usr/share/fonts/ttf/big5
	/usr/share/fonts/ttf/decoratives
	/usr/share/fonts/ttf/gb2312
	/usr/share/fonts/ttf/japanese
	/usr/share/fonts/ttf/korean
	/usr/share/fonts/ttf/monotype
	/usr/share/fonts/ttf/thai
	/usr/share/fonts/ttf/western
	/usr/share/fonts/ttf/intlfonts
	/usr/share/fonts/ttf/other
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/baltic
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/default
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/elmar
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/arabic24
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/cu
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/other
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/indic
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/Asian
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/Chinese
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/Chinese.BIG
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/Chinese.X
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/Ethiopic
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/European
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/European.BIG
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/Japanese
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/Japanese.BIG
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/Japanese.X
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/Korean.X
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/Misc
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/Type1
	/usr/local/j2re1.4/lib/fonts
	/usr/share/yudit/fonts
	/usr/lib/mures/images
	/usr/share/eel/fonts/urw
	

					 =20

	
		
			mono
		
		
			monospace
		
	


	
		
			sans
		
		
			sans-serif
		
	




	
		Times
		Times New Roman
		Nimbus Roman No9 L
		Luxi Serif
		Kochi Mincho
		AR PL SungtiL GB
		AR PL Mingti2L Big5
		Baekmuk Batang		=09
		serif
	

	
		Helvetica
		Arial
		Verdana
		Nimbus Sans L
		Luxi Sans
		Kochi Gothic
		AR PL KaitiM GB
		AR PL KaitiM Big5
		Baekmuk Dotum
		SimSun
		sans-serif
	

 	
		Courier
		Courier New
		Andale Mono
		Luxi Mono
		Nimbus Mono L
		NSimSun
		monospace
	

	
		
			sans-serif
		
		
			serif
		
		
			monospace
		
		
			sans-serif
		
	
=09

	~/.fonts.conf


	
		Times
		Times New Roman
	
	
		Helvetica
		Verdana
	
	
		Arial
		Verdana
	
	
		Courier
		Courier New
	


	
		serif
		
			Times New Roman
			Nimbus Roman No9 L
			Luxi Serif
			Times
			Kochi Mincho
			AR PL SungtiL GB
			AR PL Mingti2L Big5
			Baekmuk Batang		=09
		
	
	
		sans-serif
		
			Verdana
			Nimbus Sans L
			Luxi Sans
			Arial
			Helvetica
			Kochi Gothic
			AR PL KaitiM GB
			AR PL KaitiM Big5
			Baekmuk Dotum
			SimSun
		
	
	
		monospace
		
			Andale Mono
			Courier New
			Luxi Mono
			Nimbus Mono L
			Kochi Gothic
			AR PL KaitiM GB
			Baekmuk Dotum
		
	


=20
	
		
		
			roman
		
		
		
			roman
		
		
		
			
				matrix
				1.2
					01
				
			
		
		
		
			oblique
		
	


	
		rgb
	

	

		
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			0xa0		
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			0x2002
			0x2003
			0x2004
			0x2005
			0x2005
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			0x2007
			0x2008
			0x2009
			0x200a
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			30
		
	



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Okay, tried again with 0.16.2.  I don't have enough space to build GARNOME
w/o BUILD_CLEAN.  I have BUILD_CLEAN = true in the config... and my
garnome-0.16.2 directory is taking up ~1.1GB, and stopped because my HDD
is full.  If you can make BUILD_CLEAN do what it used to, awesome,
otherwise I'll just stick with the old version, or maybe try the debian
packages (are they any good?)

Thanks,
Sean


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begin  Sean Proctor  quotation:
> Okay, tried again with 0.16.2.  I don't have enough space to build
> GARNOME w/o BUILD_CLEAN.  I have BUILD_CLEAN = true in the config...
> and my garnome-0.16.2 directory is taking up ~1.1GB, and stopped
> because my HDD is full.  If you can make BUILD_CLEAN do what it used
> to, awesome, otherwise I'll just stick with the old version, or
> maybe try the debian packages (are they any good?)

	Well when I tried this, I must admit that I did it by setting
BUILD_CLEAN in my environment, like:

$ export BUILD_CLEAN="Goober"
$ make install

	And I saw buildclean get run.  Try that out first, and then
I'll try to figure out why it's not happening when set in gar.conf.mk
here.

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As time statistics I got these :


Stef van der Made wrote:

>
> Dear Jeff,
>
> Thanks for this new release.
>
> It compiled in about 3 hours on a Athlon 1200 with 768MB of memory, 
> I'll try to send you some detailed information on the next compile.
>
> I'm using the athlon optimizations for GCC 3.2. After compilation I've 
> got 407MB of software. It might be time to update the webpage slightly 
> as we are now 180MB above the 225MB advertised there. I'm still 
> enjoying this great gnome development even after the 10th recompile 
> sinceI've started using garnome just to keep up with the various 
> releases and improvements you've made to this package :-)
>
> Thanks and keep e'm coming
>
> Stef
>
> Jeff Waugh wrote:
>
>> GARNOME 0.16.0: "Hot Morning Furnace"
>> =====================================
>>
>> GARNOME - the bad-ass, bleeding edge GNOME distribution for testers and
>> tweakers everywhere. If you're dying to test the latest GNOME 2.0 
>> Desktop
>> releases, but don't want to fall into the depraved addictions and
>> co-dependencies of testing from anonymous CVS, then GARNOME is for you.
>>
>> [ In other words, GARNOME is a build system for GNOME 2.x which 
>> includes the
>> developer platform and desktop releases, as well as a host of other 
>> software
>> ported to the GNOME 2.x platform. Everything is as easy to build as 
>> 'make
>> install'. We call it a 'distribution' because it's sanity-tested and 
>> often
>> patched before release, for your convenience and enjoyment. ;-) ]
>>
>>
>> What's New?
>> -----------
>>
>>  * Updated to GNOME 2.0.2.
>>  
>>  * Added: koffice - the KDE office suite, mergeant - what used to be
>>    gnome-db.
>>  
>>  * Fixed: Mess in category files.
>>  
>>  * Fixed: gimp-print's CUPS stuff was attempting to install out of 
>> prefix.
>>    Fixed the hard way.
>>  
>>  * Fixed: quick-lounge-applets uncommented. ;-)
>>  
>>  * Fixed: Disabled -Werror -Wall on rhythmbox and gst-plugins, thanks to
>>    ajmitch.
>>
>>
>> Where Do I Get It?
>> ------------------
>>
>> The tarball and documentation [1] are available on the GARNOME website:
>>
>>  http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/garnome/
>>
>>
>> Enjoy G2D and GARNOME. :-)
>>
>> - Jeff
>>
>> [1] People who don't read the documentation tend to look pretty silly on
>> garnome-list and in #garnome.
>>
>>  
>>
>
>
>




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The compilation gave me back these statistics when using time :

real    240m28.323s
user    84m56.600s
sys     17m45.950s

Sorry for the previous message I found the shortcut key for sending a 
message by accident :-(

Cheers

stef

>>
>> Dear Jeff,
>>
>> Thanks for this new release.
>>
>> It compiled in about 3 hours on a Athlon 1200 with 768MB of memory, 
>> I'll try to send you some detailed information on the next compile.
>>
>> I'm using the athlon optimizations for GCC 3.2. After compilation 
>> I've got 407MB of software. It might be time to update the webpage 
>> slightly as we are now 180MB above the 225MB advertised there. I'm 
>> still enjoying this great gnome development even after the 10th 
>> recompile sinceI've started using garnome just to keep up with the 
>> various releases and improvements you've made to this package :-)
>>
>> Thanks and keep e'm coming
>>
>> Stef
>>



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bingo.  adding export before the BUILD_CLEAN seems to have worked
perfectly.  thanks a lot.  I'm in the process of building it, only 36MB so
far, and I noticed the work directories are being deleted.

Sean

On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Nick Moffitt wrote:

> begin  Sean Proctor  quotation:
> > Okay, tried again with 0.16.2.  I don't have enough space to build
> > GARNOME w/o BUILD_CLEAN.  I have BUILD_CLEAN = true in the config...
> > and my garnome-0.16.2 directory is taking up ~1.1GB, and stopped
> > because my HDD is full.  If you can make BUILD_CLEAN do what it used
> > to, awesome, otherwise I'll just stick with the old version, or
> > maybe try the debian packages (are they any good?)
>
> 	Well when I tried this, I must admit that I did it by setting
> BUILD_CLEAN in my environment, like:
>
> $ export BUILD_CLEAN="Goober"
> $ make install
>
> 	And I saw buildclean get run.  Try that out first, and then
> I'll try to figure out why it's not happening when set in gar.conf.mk
> here.
> --
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begin  Sean Proctor  quotation:
> bingo.  adding export before the BUILD_CLEAN seems to have worked
> perfectly.  thanks a lot.  I'm in the process of building it, only
> 36MB so far, and I noticed the work directories are being deleted.

Aha!  Thanks for catching this one, and sorry we ate up your disk
space!

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begin  Jeff Waugh  quotation:
> make fetch in meta/gnome-desktop will only make fetch for that
> garball, so... You need to make fetch in the root build directory.
> 
> However, I strongly recommend that you 'make paranoid-checksum', as
> this will stop and tell you if the files are incorrectly downloaded.

	"make paranoid-garchive" will build a reusable cache of files
that will survive a "make clean", also stopping to tell you if files
are incorrectly downloaded.

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Attached is a sh-script which patches an existing garnome dir structure
to a new revision and downloads and compiles only files necessary for
the upgrade.
If you have a previous compiled version in ~garnome/garnome-0.15.0 untar
garnome-0.16.2 in ~garnome and run the script in ~garnome.
For example:
update-garnome garnome-0.15.0 garnome-0.16.2 desktop fifth-toe
//will patch garnome-0.15.0 to garnome-0.16.2 and build
garnome-0.15.0/meta/gnome-desktop and ... gnome-fifth-toe.

It is also possible to keep control and run every single step.
For example:

update-garnome garnome-0.15.0 garnome-0.16.2 newdiff 
//creates a new diff file and cp files from files dir creating a backup
file if the file exist

update-garnome garnome-0.15.0 garnome-0.16.2 patch 
//patches from existing diff file

update-garnome garnome-0.15.0 garnome-0.16.2 update 
//updates dir structure by rm cookies and work dirs, needs existing diff
file for files changed

update-garnome garnome-0.15.0 garnome-0.16.2 all-changed
//every thing from above plus runs make on every changed Makefile, use
with care since it's possible to link to old libs, there is no enforced
sequence 

update-garnome garnome-0.15.0 garnome-0.16.2 desktop
//first 3 [newdiff, patch, update] plus runs make in meta/gnome-desktop

The 4th - x  parameter(s) can be any meta dir or for that matter any
fully qualified dir with a Makefile in it.
Example:
update-garnome garnome-0.15.0 garnome-0.16.2 desktop fifth-toe kde
garnome-0.15.0/misc/redhat-artwork/

No 3rd parameter:
update-garnome garnome-0.15.0 garnome-0.16.2
//runs (newdiff, patch, update), so it's possible to run make as usual

Let me know if I missed something, most likely :-).

Hope this helps,
Ronald




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#!/bin/bash

#remove tailing / from pathname expansion
ORG=3D${1%/}
NEW=3D${2%/}

#make sure we have two parameters
USAGE=3D'ERROR usage: update-garnome orginal-garnome new-garname'
echo  "${ORG:?$USAGE} ${NEW:?$USAGE} " > /dev/null

RMDIRS=3D"cookies work"
BASE=3D$PWD
UPDATE=3Dupdate.appl
MAKEALL=3D"NO"

#create a patch file for changed files cp with backup all files from the fi=
les dir
function newdiff() {
echo "newdiff"
rm -f $NEW.diff
for FILE in `find $NEW -name "*.mk"`
do
diff -uN ${FILE/$NEW/$ORG} $FILE >> $NEW.diff
done
for FILE in `find $NEW -name checksums`
do
diff -uN ${FILE/$NEW/$ORG} $FILE >> $NEW.diff
done
for FILE in `find $NEW -name Makefile`
do
diff -uN ${FILE/$NEW/$ORG} $FILE >> $NEW.diff
done
for FILE in `find $NEW -path '*files*' -type f -or -type l`
do
mkdir -p `dirname ${FILE/$NEW/$ORG}`
cp -ab $FILE ${FILE/$NEW/$ORG}
done
}

#patch old dir structure so we don't download all dependency files again
function patch() {
echo "patch"
if [ -f $NEW.diff ];then
 cd $ORG
 /usr/bin/patch -p1 <../$NEW.diff
 cd $BASE
fi
}


#create file for appl to update
function update() {
echo "update"
grep $ORG $NEW.diff |awk '{print $2}' > $UPDATE

#remove old dirs, [run make]=20
while read FILE
do
DIR=3D`dirname $FILE`
FILENAME=3D`basename $FILE`
if [ -d $DIR ]; then
 if [ $FILENAME =3D=3D "Makefile" ]; then
  cd $DIR
  if [ -d "cookies" ]; then=20
    rm -rf $RMDIRS
    if [ $MAKEALL =3D=3D "YES" ];then
     make
    fi
  fi
 fi
 cd $BASE
fi
done <  $UPDATE
}

function gnome-desktop() {
newdiff
patch
update
 cd $BASE
 cd $ORG/meta/gnome-desktop
  echo "Compiling desktop"=20
  make
 cd $BASE
}

function gnome-meta() {
 if [ -d $ORG/meta/gnome-$1 ];then=09
   cd $ORG/meta/gnome-$1
   echo "Compiling $ORG/meta/gnome-$1"
   make
 elif [ -d $ORG/meta/$1 ];then=09
   cd $ORG/meta/$1
   echo "Compiling $ORG/meta/$1"
   make
 elif [ -d $1 ];then=09
   cd $1
   echo "Compiling $1"
   make
 fi
 cd $BASE
}


function loop_args(){
 for META in $@
 do
 gnome-meta $META
 done
}

case "$3" in
  newdiff)
	newdiff
	;;=09
  patch)
	patch
	;;
  update)
	update
	;;
  all-changed)
        MAKEALL=3D"YES"
	newdiff
	patch
	update
	;;
  desktop)
        gnome-desktop
	shift 3
	loop_args $@
	;;
  gnome-desktop)
        gnome-desktop
	shift 3
	loop_args $@
	;;

  *)
	newdiff
	patch
	update
esac


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I am running a Mandrake 8.2 system.  When I attempt to compile 
garnome (0.16.2), I get the following error in the redhat-artwork 
step of the make:


<15 MB of make output snipped ...>


checking whether the linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries...
yes
checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate
checking whether stripping libraries is possible... yes
checking dynamic linker characteristics... GNU/Linux ld.so
checking if libtool supports shared libraries... yes
checking whether to build shared libraries... yes
checking whether to build static libraries... no
checking whether -lc should be explicitly linked in... no
creating libtool
checking for gtk-config... no
checking for GTK - version >= 1.2.9... no
*** The gtk-config script installed by GTK could not be found
*** If GTK was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in
*** your path, or set the GTK_CONFIG environment variable to the
*** full path to gtk-config.
configure: error: *** GTK+-1.2.9 not installed - please install first
***
make[2]: *** [configure-work/redhat-artwork-0.36/configure] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/usr/local/public/bigdisk/tmp/garnome-0.16.2/misc/redhat-artwork'
make[1]: *** [install] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/usr/local/public/bigdisk/tmp/garnome-0.16.2/misc'
make: *** [install] Error 2

----------------------------------------------------------------------

I am confused by this error -- I thought that an updated GTK was
provided by the Garnome make process (I see a
"garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gtk+/work/gtk+-2.0.6" directory in the build
tree) ... How do I fix this error?




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> checking for GTK - version >= 1.2.9... no
> *** The gtk-config script installed by GTK could not be found
> *** If GTK was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in
> *** your path, or set the GTK_CONFIG environment variable to the
> *** full path to gtk-config.
> configure: error: *** GTK+-1.2.9 not installed - please install first
> ***

> I am confused by this error -- I thought that an updated GTK was
> provided by the Garnome make process (I see a
> "garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gtk+/work/gtk+-2.0.6" directory in the build
> tree) ... How do I fix this error?

Install GTK+ 1.x. Red Hat has a Bluecurve theme for both GTK+ 1.x and 2.x.

- Jeff

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Hi,
I'm a novice and have some problem to try to install gnome 2 from local
files. I acquired a magazine with a cd with sources of gnome 2. Now I wou=
ld
like to install gnome 2 with these and not with the download the files fr=
om
the ftp or http. I follow the readme instructions and modified the gar co=
nfig
files and added the line file:///home/downloads/garnome (where I copied
the bz2 source files). After to try, I went on atk directory and type mak=
e
install and obtained the follow message:

mkdir download
 
  =3D=3D> Grabbing download/atk-1.0.2.tar.bz2
      
         =3D=3D> Trying file//files/atk-1.0.2.tar.bz2

make[1]: *** [file//files/atk-1.0.2.tar.bz2] Error 1
   
         =3D=3D> Trying http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/2.0.0/sources/atk/=
atk-1.0.2.tar.bz2

And final obtain an error message.
In what mode I can do so the system know that I have these files on my ha=
rd
disk? And also, where I can install the gnome 2 system so all the user ca=
n
see that? I installed garnome-0.12.0 under the home directory and do all
these operation under the root.
Thanks,

Marco Mangiante



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> I'm a novice and have some problem to try to install gnome 2 from local
> files. I acquired a magazine with a cd with sources of gnome 2. Now I
> would like to install gnome 2 with these and not with the download the
> files from the ftp or http. I follow the readme instructions and modified
> the gar config files and added the line file:///home/downloads/garnome
> (where I copied the bz2 source files).

With a modern GARNOME (0.16.x), you set the GARCHIVE variable in
gar.conf.mk. Note that it will still download files that you do not have in
your garchive, so if the files on your magazine disk are for an old version
of GNOME, it will download just about everything anyway.

Thanks,

- Jeff

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I have installed garnome-16.2 and when I start yelp there are no Gnome
documents, only man pages and info documents.

I have checked that the .xml files are in

~/garnome/share/gnome/help/user-guide/C/

Any clues?  (I have read the FAQ).  What should I do to diagnose the
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> I have installed garnome-16.2 and when I start yelp there are no Gnome
> documents, only man pages and info documents.
> 
> I have checked that the .xml files are in
> 
> ~/garnome/share/gnome/help/user-guide/C/
> 
> Any clues?  (I have read the FAQ).  What should I do to diagnose the
> problem?

This is my fault. :-) I still haven't got the documentation stuff *quite*
right. If you manage to work it out (it's mostly to do with everything being
in a weird prefix, etc), please let me know.

Note that using the help menu item in every application does work, but it's
harder to get into the basic gnome2-user-docs documentation.

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Hi,
thanks for the response. I have the gnome 2.0 and I think that the garnom=
e-0.16.x
download the last files. In what mode I can modify the garnome so it acce=
pt
the "old" gnome files?
Thanks,

Marco Mangiante

 
>-- Messaggio originale --
>From: Jeff Waugh 
>To: marcomangiante@virgilio.it
>Cc: garnome-list@gnome.org
>Subject: Re: Installing gnome 2 from local bz2 files
>Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 17:40:41 +1000
>
>
>
>
>> I'm a novice and have some problem to try to install gnome 2 from loca=
l
>> files. I acquired a magazine with a cd with sources of gnome 2. Now I
>> would like to install gnome 2 with these and not with the download the=

>> files from the ftp or http. I follow the readme instructions and modif=
ied
>> the gar config files and added the line file:///home/downloads/garnome=

>> (where I copied the bz2 source files).
>
>With a modern GARNOME (0.16.x), you set the GARCHIVE variable in
>gar.conf.mk. Note that it will still download files that you do not have=

>in
>your garchive, so if the files on your magazine disk are for an old vers=
ion
>of GNOME, it will download just about everything anyway.
>
>Thanks,
>
>- Jeff
>
>-- 
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>   
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> thanks for the response. I have the gnome 2.0 and I think that the garnome-0.16.x
> download the last files. In what mode I can modify the garnome so it accept
> the "old" gnome files?

You can't (easily). GARNOME is designed more as a 'distribution' than as a
build tool. I strongly, strongly, strongly recommend that you let it
download the new tarballs and build them.

- Jeff

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Hi,
I know this because I try do this and it is very hard. I chenged a line
in one of the config file (don't remember what file) so it recognize wher=
e
I have the local files. I cancelled all the checksum in all the directory=

and rebuild them with these command:

make fetch
make makesum
make checksum

It seems that it works but I have problem because I installed it under th=
e
Marco user and not under the root, so I'm arrived to a point in which I
can't continue.
Is this the method that you say is difficult (mine is difficult and tedio=
us).
Thanks,

Marco Mangiante

>You can't (easily). GARNOME is designed more as a 'distribution' than as=

>a
>build tool. I strongly, strongly, strongly recommend that you let it
>download the new tarballs and build them.
>
>- Jeff



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> I know this because I try do this and it is very hard. I chenged a line
> in one of the config file (don't remember what file) so it recognize where
> I have the local files. I cancelled all the checksum in all the directory
> and rebuild them with these command:
> 
> make fetch
> make makesum
> make checksum

That is the correct way of doing it, but note that you may build a
completely broken GNOME 2 installation, and I will not help you pick up the
pieces. I distribute GARNOME so that you can test a *build/sanity tested and
working* version of GNOME. If you choose to do silly things like this, I'm
not all that interested in helping you out.

> It seems that it works but I have problem because I installed it under the
> Marco user and not under the root, so I'm arrived to a point in which I
> can't continue.

Why is this a problem? It should 100% work no matter which user you build it
as. Indeed, I've said many times NOT to build it as root.

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Try,
scrollkeeper-update -o ~/garnome/share/omf/

Works for me, except for "introduction-to-gnome" which is not
well-formed xml.

Ronald


On Wed, 2002-09-18 at 04:15, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> 
> > I have installed garnome-16.2 and when I start yelp there are no Gnome
> > documents, only man pages and info documents.
> > 
> > I have checked that the .xml files are in
> > 
> > ~/garnome/share/gnome/help/user-guide/C/
> > 
> > Any clues?  (I have read the FAQ).  What should I do to diagnose the
> > problem?
> 
> This is my fault. :-) I still haven't got the documentation stuff *quite*
> right. If you manage to work it out (it's mostly to do with everything being
> in a weird prefix, etc), please let me know.
> 
> Note that using the help menu item in every application does work, but it's
> harder to get into the basic gnome2-user-docs documentation.
> 
> - Jeff
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> Try,
> scrollkeeper-update -o ~/garnome/share/omf/
> 
> Works for me, except for "introduction-to-gnome" which is not
> well-formed xml.

Oh, BOLLOCKS!

No wonder, I managed to take that out of the post-everything rule ages ago.
Gar, gar, gar!

Thanks,

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Hi,

>> It seems that it works but I have problem because I installed it under=

>the
>> Marco user and not under the root, so I'm arrived to a point in which
I
>> can't continue.
>
>Why is this a problem? It should 100% work no matter which user you buil=
d
>it
>as. Indeed, I've said many times NOT to build it as root.

maybe it depends on the fact that I tried to install gnome in mode that
I explained, so under my user I haven't permission on such directory.
So, however, when I first downloaded the garnome-0.13.1 (my first experie=
nce
with garnome) I type make install and it downloaded the files for install=

a sanity version on gnome (I think version 2.0.2); now it works but becau=
se
I am not experienced I installed it under root, adn when I lauch gdm and
try to access gnome 2 with Marco, the system return me to gdm screen. Wha=
t
I can add to do gnome 2 work also under other users? And I can resue the
files that I have downloaded with new garnome versions?
Thanks,

Marco



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> So, however, when I first downloaded the garnome-0.13.1 (my first experience
> with garnome) I type make install and it downloaded the files for install
> a sanity version on gnome (I think version 2.0.2);

No, 0.13.1 was much earlier than 2.0.2.

> now it works but because I am not experienced I installed it under root,
> adn when I lauch gdm and try to access gnome 2 with Marco, the system
> return me to gdm screen. What I can add to do gnome 2 work also under
> other users?

Give them permissions to access (read and execute) whichever directory you
installed GARNOME into.

> And I can resue the files that I have downloaded with new garnome
> versions?

'make garchive' in the root build directory.

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On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 04:40, Ronald Kuetemeier wrote:
> Try,
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> 
> Works for me, except for "introduction-to-gnome" which is not
> well-formed xml.
> 
> Ronald
Thanks Ronald, but it still does not work.  (I executed that command and
re-started yelp but there was not change.)  I appreciate your help
nonetheless.

cheers,

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> On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 04:40, Ronald Kuetemeier wrote:
> > Try,
> > scrollkeeper-update -o ~/garnome/share/omf/
> > 
> > Works for me, except for "introduction-to-gnome" which is not
> > well-formed xml.
> 
> Thanks Ronald, but it still does not work.  (I executed that command and
> re-started yelp but there was not change.)  I appreciate your help
> nonetheless.

Works here - did you specify the correct prefix with -o?

- Jeff

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On Wed, 2002-09-18 at 14:24, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> 
> > On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 04:40, Ronald Kuetemeier wrote:
> > > Try,
> > > scrollkeeper-update -o ~/garnome/share/omf/
> > > 
> > > Works for me, except for "introduction-to-gnome" which is not
> > > well-formed xml.
> > 
> > Thanks Ronald, but it still does not work.  (I executed that command and
> > re-started yelp but there was not change.)  I appreciate your help
> > nonetheless.
> 
> Works here - did you specify the correct prefix with -o?

Or any error messages ?

If you use the wrong path, you will most likely get a lot of errors
stating the docs can not validated against the DTD. That's because you
try to validate old docs against the new DTD. 

What does,   
xmlcatalog ~/garnome/etc/xml/catalog "-//OMF//DTD Scrollkeeper OMF
Variant V1.0//EN"
return? On my machine it's:
/home/ronald/garnome/share/xml/scrollkeeper/dtds/scrollkeeper-omf.dtd 
Which is the correct dtd for gnome2 and my installation.

Does ~/garnome/etc/scrollkeeper.conf point to the right dir?
You might also want to check out:
http://people.codefactory.se/~micke/yelp/setup-system.html
That's where I found the hind to scrollkeeper-update.

Ronald

> 
> - Jeff
> 
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On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 08:48, Ronald Kuetemeier wrote:
> On Wed, 2002-09-18 at 14:24, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 04:40, Ronald Kuetemeier wrote:
> > > > Try,
> > > > scrollkeeper-update -o ~/garnome/share/omf/
> > > > 
> > > > Works for me, except for "introduction-to-gnome" which is not
> > > > well-formed xml.
> > > 
> > > Thanks Ronald, but it still does not work.  (I executed that command and
> > > re-started yelp but there was not change.)  I appreciate your help
> > > nonetheless.
> > 
> > Works here - did you specify the correct prefix with -o?
> 
> Or any error messages ?
> 
> If you use the wrong path, you will most likely get a lot of errors
> stating the docs can not validated against the DTD. That's because you
> try to validate old docs against the new DTD. 
> 
> What does,   
> xmlcatalog ~/garnome/etc/xml/catalog "-//OMF//DTD Scrollkeeper OMF
> Variant V1.0//EN"
> return? On my machine it's:
> /home/ronald/garnome/share/xml/scrollkeeper/dtds/scrollkeeper-omf.dtd 
> Which is the correct dtd for gnome2 and my installation.
> 
> Does ~/garnome/etc/scrollkeeper.conf point to the right dir?
> You might also want to check out:
> http://people.codefactory.se/~micke/yelp/setup-system.html
> That's where I found the hind to scrollkeeper-update.
Thanks for all this: I have now solved the problem: I had
scrollkeeper-0.3.4-5 installed (via RPM) and it was being executed
instead of the version that comes with garnome.

I feel so stupid --- a _long_ time ago I had a problem that necessitated
prepending /usr/bin to my path in .bashrc, and of course hacks like lack
tend to hang around unnoticed...

Thanks for your help, and apologies for the time wasting.

John

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On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 08:24, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> 
> > On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 04:40, Ronald Kuetemeier wrote:
> > > Try,
> > > scrollkeeper-update -o ~/garnome/share/omf/
> > > 
> > > Works for me, except for "introduction-to-gnome" which is not
> > > well-formed xml.
> > 
> > Thanks Ronald, but it still does not work.  (I executed that command and
> > re-started yelp but there was not change.)  I appreciate your help
> > nonetheless.
> 
> Works here - did you specify the correct prefix with -o?
I executed the command cut 'n' pasted from Ronald's post as a normal
user:

[jwilliams@ou092011 Book]$ scrollkeeper-update -o ~/garnome/share/omf/
/var/lib/scrollkeeper/scrollkeeper_docs: Permission denied

Then su'ed and executed
[root@ou092011 Book]# scrollkeeper-update -o
/home/jwilliams/garnome/share/omf/

(one line, evo is wrapping it)

which produced no error messages.  (Actually the first time I did that I
got a message about non UTF-8 encoding in file-roller-ru.xml, so I moved
that file out of the way and re-tried.)

It's no big deal for me, I can wait until the next release when it's
fixed :-)  I just thought you'd like to know.  

There is no bugzilla for garnome is there?  (I know there is one for
Gnome2.)

cheers,

and bug ups to Jeff for his fine work.

John

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On Wed, 2002-09-18 at 14:32, John Williams wrote:
> On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 08:24, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 04:40, Ronald Kuetemeier wrote:
> > > > Try,
> > > > scrollkeeper-update -o ~/garnome/share/omf/
> > > > 
> > > > Works for me, except for "introduction-to-gnome" which is not
> > > > well-formed xml.
> > > 
> > > Thanks Ronald, but it still does not work.  (I executed that command and
> > > re-started yelp but there was not change.)  I appreciate your help
> > > nonetheless.
> > 
> > Works here - did you specify the correct prefix with -o?
> I executed the command cut 'n' pasted from Ronald's post as a normal
> user:
> 
> [jwilliams@ou092011 Book]$ scrollkeeper-update -o ~/garnome/share/omf/
> /var/lib/scrollkeeper/scrollkeeper_docs: Permission denied
> 
> Then su'ed and executed

UUUUh, you should have changed the owner/group of
"/var/lib/scrollkeeper/"
instead, to avoid the problem in the future. Been there done that :-).

Ronald

 



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Hi,

I have started installing Gnome 2.0.2 with garnomne 0.16.2 using
.../meta/gnome-desktop/ make install
Before this I have proved that all libaries, as listed on the
garnome-website, are installed. After about 4 hours of installing the
process stops with the following error-message: 
_______________________________________________________________-
Making all in descs
make[4]: Entering directory
`/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new/descs'
make[4]: *** No rule to make target `AM_Armenian.keyprop', needed by
`all-am'.  Stop.
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`/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new/descs'
make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory
`/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3'
make: *** [build-work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/Makefile] Error 2

____________________________________________________

I changed to the applets-directory to rebuilt with make clean ; make
install and got the following message: 
________________________________________________________________________________
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 ./xmodmap.ru-rev
/root/garnome/share/xmodmap/xmodmap.ru-rev
make[3]: Leaving directory
`/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new/xmodmap'
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new/xmodmap'
Making install in descs
make[2]: Entering directory
`/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new/descs'
make[2]: *** No rule to make target `AM_Armenian.keyprop', needed by
`all-am'.  Stop.
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new/descs'
make[1]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new'
make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
_______________________________________________________________________________________


I cannot find any hint on missing libaries. I d not know the exact
meaning of install-recursive, too.
Is there any way to continue and install the applets after finishing the
installation with garnome?

If somebody has any explanation or idea on these error-messages I would
be happy and thankful to read them.


Matthias



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On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 08:11, Matthias Richter wrote:
___________________________________________________________
> /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 ./xmodmap.ru-rev
> /root/garnome/share/xmodmap/xmodmap.ru-rev
> make[3]: Leaving directory
> `/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new/xmodmap'
> make[2]: Leaving directory
> `/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new/xmodmap'
> Making install in descs
> make[2]: Entering directory
> `/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new/descs'
> make[2]: *** No rule to make target `AM_Armenian.keyprop', needed by
> `all-am'.  Stop.
> make[2]: Leaving directory
> `/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new/descs'
> make[1]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory
> `/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new'
> make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
> _______________________________________________________________________________________
> 
> 
> I cannot find any hint on missing libaries. I d not know the exact
> meaning of install-recursive, too.
Just walks the dir tree and installs.
> Is there any way to continue and install the applets after finishing the
> installation with garnome?
Well looks like you do the install as root, as Jeff would say: "DON'T DO
THAT"
Second do a `df -h` since root is under / and not /home you might have a
full partition, if you have a standard installation.
Third if you are just changing between su and user check all permissions
and owner of ALL files/dirs.
4th use make -d for debugging info from make.

Ronald
 


> 
> If somebody has any explanation or idea on these error-messages I would
> be happy and thankful to read them.
> 
> 
> Matthias
> 
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Hi,

I keep getting error messages regarding the download of a file by the name
of bytecode-interpreter.diff.

I tried to follow the link manually and cannot see the file there either.

Has anyone encountered this problem before?

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Resolving dl.sourceforge.net... done.
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Error 1
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GAR GAR GAR! ***
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Thanks in advance, Mike

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> I keep getting error messages regarding the download of a file by the name
> of bytecode-interpreter.diff.
> 
> I tried to follow the link manually and cannot see the file there either.
> 
> Has anyone encountered this problem before?

What have you changed in the GARNOME configuration files? If you've removed
anything from the FILE_SITES variable, do I have full permission to spank
you for not reading the documentation? :-)

Thanks,

- Jeff

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Jeff,

My gar.conf.mk looks like this:

<- cut ->
FILE_SITES = file://$(FILEDIR)/ file://$(GARCHIVEDIR)/
file:///mnt/windows/gnome/2.0.2/
<- cut ->

This is what I gathered from the documentation. As usual I probably
misinterpreted the information...

You'll have to discuss the spanking bit with my GF though ;)

// Mike

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> I keep getting error messages regarding the download of a file by the name
> of bytecode-interpreter.diff.
> 
> I tried to follow the link manually and cannot see the file there either.
> 
> Has anyone encountered this problem before?

What have you changed in the GARNOME configuration files? If you've removed
anything from the FILE_SITES variable, do I have full permission to spank
you for not reading the documentation? :-)

Thanks,

- Jeff

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> My gar.conf.mk looks like this:
> 
> <- cut ->
> FILE_SITES = file://$(FILEDIR)/ file://$(GARCHIVEDIR)/
> file:///mnt/windows/gnome/2.0.2/
> <- cut ->

Ah. On the website, these links are on separate lines, but only due to
html wrapping. Please make sure they're on the same line.

[ What's not in the documentation is that you can just put a normal
directory up in the GARCHIVE variable at the top of the new gar.conf.mk,
though. ]

- Jeff

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                       tape on a duct?" - Larry Wall                        

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To make sure you know when you are root, create a gnome-terminal profile
for root.  Maybe red as the background, or whatever you like.
Then add the following to your .bashrc, if you use bash. Or always type
it in :-) ...
Should be on ONE line.

alias su='if [ $TERM == "xterm" ]; then gnome-terminal
--window-with-profile=root -e su;else su;fi'

This creates a new gnome-terminal with the profile root and executes su
in that terminal.  You could also create a new tab in the existing
terminal, see docs ...

Hope this helps,
Ronald

 


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Or type 'id'.

Ronald Kuetemeier had the audacity to claim:

>To make sure you know when you are root, create a gnome-terminal profile
>for root.  Maybe red as the background, or whatever you like.
>Then add the following to your .bashrc, if you use bash. Or always type
>it in :-) ...
>Should be on ONE line.
>
>alias su='if [ $TERM == "xterm" ]; then gnome-terminal
>--window-with-profile=root -e su;else su;fi'
>
>This creates a new gnome-terminal with the profile root and executes su
>in that terminal.  You could also create a new tab in the existing
>terminal, see docs ...
>
>Hope this helps,
>Ronald


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Mark Faine wrote:

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> Decided to rebuild the entire thing but unfortunatly I can't get any 
> files to download.  How ( and where) can I set where to download the 
> files from and where can I find a list of mirrors?
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They downloaded fine yesterday but fail to download today. Perhaps tomorrow?


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It's most likely because of the directory layout changes on
ftp.gnome.org.  I'm sure a new garnome will be released soon.

Alex

On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 21:48, Andreas J Guelzow wrote:
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> They downloaded fine yesterday but fail to download today. Perhaps tomorrow?
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> 
> Andreas
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Jeff,

I've tried putting my local directory on the same line as the 'variable'
ones. I've tried to put my directory into the GARCHIVEDIR variable earlier
in the file.

None of this seems to work, I still keep getting the same problem.

Could it be that this file it's looking for has been removed for some
reason?

I'll soon be going GAR GAR GAR!, just like the install script ;)

Greetings, Mike

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> My gar.conf.mk looks like this:
> 
> <- cut ->
> FILE_SITES = file://$(FILEDIR)/ file://$(GARCHIVEDIR)/
> file:///mnt/windows/gnome/2.0.2/
> <- cut ->

Ah. On the website, these links are on separate lines, but only due to
html wrapping. Please make sure they're on the same line.

[ What's not in the documentation is that you can just put a normal
directory up in the GARCHIVE variable at the top of the new gar.conf.mk,
though. ]

- Jeff

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You can modify a line in garnome-0.16.2\gnome\category.mk to make things 
work...

change this line:

MASTER_SITES += http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/2.0.2/sources$(GARNAME)/ 
http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/2.0.1/sources/$(GARNAME)/

to:

MASTER_SITES += http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/desktop/2.0/2.0.2/sources/ 
http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/desktop/2.0/2.0.1/sources/

This seems to work for me...

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Made the changes to category.mk to reflect the directory changes on 
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However, I error out when the script tries to download 
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Made the changes to category.mk to reflect the directory changes on ftp.gnome.org this morning and tried to compile garnome-0.16.2..

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DRWilliams@marinerhealthcare.com writes:

> Made the changes to category.mk to reflect the directory changes on ftp.gnome.org this morning and tried to compile
> garnome-0.16.2..
> However, I error out when the script tries to download gnome-vfs-extras-0.99.5 from gnome.org.. version 0.99.5 isn't there.

If you change the version in the Makefile in the gnome-vfs-extras file
to 0.99.3, it'll get the one from 2.0.1. You'll need to remake the
checksum too, however ('md5sum TARBALL > checksum')

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The error message indicates a missing bytecode-interpreter.diff. This file
is part of the Garnome garball. It is not supposed to be downloaded. It is
possible to extract it manually from the garball and put it in its proper
location, where the Garnome system expects it to be.

(I did this too. And it wasn't the worst mistake I made...)

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Am Fre, 2002-09-20 um 16.35 schrieb Jon Riekenberg:

> change this line:

> to:
> 
> MASTER_SITES += http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/desktop/2.0/2.0.2/sources/ 
> http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/desktop/2.0/2.0.1/sources/
> 

Thx for the info so far. After modifying as you said, Garnome fails to
download an cuased the error 404 "host not found" after sveral hours of
compiling.again. 


Matthias



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glade isn't up on the gnome website anymore, so garnome can't download it.

thanks,
Sean


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> glade isn't up on the gnome website anymore, so garnome can't download it.

The GNOME FTP site structure changed last Friday, I'm putting a new release
out in a little while.

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You can download glade from:
http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/glade/1.1/

Alex

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Jeff and Co,

I have a couple of Gnome apps that are being ported across to G2 and
seem to be working pretty much okay (well, at lot better than RhythmBox
anyway ;-)

They are:
        * Firestarter (firewall script creator)
        * Gkrellm (the super monitor)
        * Bluefish (web page editor)

I was wondering whether you might consider them for the fifth-toe meta
package in future Garnome distributions.

Maybe we could have another meta pkg called spare-foot or even the
spare-boot?!


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>         * Firestarter (firewall script creator)
>         * Gkrellm (the super monitor)
>         * Bluefish (web page editor)
> 
> I was wondering whether you might consider them for the fifth-toe meta
> package in future Garnome distributions.

Sure. :-)

- Jeff

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GARNOME 0.17.0: "Next Big Thing"
================================

GARNOME - the bad-ass, bleeding edge GNOME distribution for testers and
tweakers everywhere. If you're dying to test the latest GNOME 2.0 Desktop
releases, but don't want to fall into the depraved addictions and
co-dependencies of testing from anonymous CVS, then GARNOME is for you.

[ In other words, GARNOME is a build system for GNOME 2.x which includes the
developer platform and desktop releases, as well as a host of other software
ported to the GNOME 2.x platform. Everything is as easy to build as 'make
install'. We call it a 'distribution' because it's sanity-tested and often
patched before release, for your convenience and enjoyment. ;-) ]


What's New?
-----------

  - New: Balsa! [ Should have been added a while back, but I waited for a
	new release as the previous one wasn't very G2Dish... But, um, I guess
	they're just not going for G2D-ish after all. :-) ]
  
  - New: gworldclock - a very simple multiple-timezone clock
  
  - New: Fresh acme release with more support for PCs. Yay!
  
  - Updated: New GStreamer release!
  
  - Fixed: Splashscreen no longer refers to Preview 8. ;-) [ Needed
	checksum, thanks to Jan Schmidt. ]
  
  - Fixed: Point to new FTP directories.
  
  - Fixed: Remove our gimp-print brain damage.
  
  - No longer include bzipped patch for redhat-artwork, because we want to
	keep binary files out of the tree.
 

Where Do I Get It?
------------------

The tarball and documentation [1] are available on the GARNOME website:

  http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/garnome/


Enjoy G2D and GARNOME. :-)

- Jeff


[1] People who don't read the documentation tend to look pretty silly on
garnome-list and in #garnome.

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A while back I saw 0.16.3 at your site but not yet available. A few
minutes later, boom! 0.17.0 :-)

Now doing 'make paranoid-checksum' ...

By the way Jeff, I enjoy GARNOME very much :-) Keep 'em coming dude!

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On Mon, 2002-09-23 at 11:02, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> GARNOME 0.17.0: "Next Big Thing"
> ================================
> 
> GARNOME - the bad-ass, bleeding edge GNOME distribution for testers and
> tweakers everywhere. If you're dying to test the latest GNOME 2.0 Desktop
> releases, but don't want to fall into the depraved addictions and
> co-dependencies of testing from anonymous CVS, then GARNOME is for you.
> 
> [ In other words, GARNOME is a build system for GNOME 2.x which includes the
> developer platform and desktop releases, as well as a host of other software
> ported to the GNOME 2.x platform. Everything is as easy to build as 'make
> install'. We call it a 'distribution' because it's sanity-tested and often
> patched before release, for your convenience and enjoyment. ;-) ]
> 
> 
> What's New?
> -----------
> 
>   - New: Balsa! [ Should have been added a while back, but I waited for a
> 	new release as the previous one wasn't very G2Dish... But, um, I guess
> 	they're just not going for G2D-ish after all. :-) ]
>   
>   - New: gworldclock - a very simple multiple-timezone clock
>   
>   - New: Fresh acme release with more support for PCs. Yay!
>   
>   - Updated: New GStreamer release!
>   
>   - Fixed: Splashscreen no longer refers to Preview 8. ;-) [ Needed
> 	checksum, thanks to Jan Schmidt. ]
>   
>   - Fixed: Point to new FTP directories.
>   
>   - Fixed: Remove our gimp-print brain damage.
>   
>   - No longer include bzipped patch for redhat-artwork, because we want to
> 	keep binary files out of the tree.
>  
> 
> Where Do I Get It?
> ------------------
> 
> The tarball and documentation [1] are available on the GARNOME website:
> 
>   http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/garnome/
> 
> 
> Enjoy G2D and GARNOME. :-)
> 
> - Jeff
> 
> 
> [1] People who don't read the documentation tend to look pretty silly on
> garnome-list and in #garnome.
> 
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>                       far as films go." - Cody Russell                      
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On Mon, 2002-09-23 at 13:02, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> GARNOME 0.17.0: "Next Big Thing"
> ================================

Stand back!

I notice that there still is no "export BUILD_CLEAN" in the gar.conf.mk
file.

Do some shells not need this?

Is there some way to stop the KDE stuff from being included in a "make
paranoid-garchive" or having a gnome only target.

Don't want to sound too single-minded it's just such a big download...



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> Stand back!
> 
> I notice that there still is no "export BUILD_CLEAN" in the gar.conf.mk
> file.

See the large export lines at the bottom of gar.conf.mk.

> Is there some way to stop the KDE stuff from being included in a "make
> paranoid-garchive" or having a gnome only target.

Delete the kde directory. :-)

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On Mon, 2002-09-23 at 14:10, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> See the large export lines at the bottom of gar.conf.mk.

Ooops!  Sorry!

> Delete the kde directory. :-)

Trying that...tah!

P.S. Problem with downloading gal2 - wrong location, will send an update
in a mo when I've been through the whole make paranoid-garchive...


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On Mon, 2002-09-23 at 13:02, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> GARNOME 0.17.0: "Next Big Thing"
> ================================

Gal2 libraries should be at (line split by evo):

    http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/gal2-0/0.0/gal2-0-0.0.6.tar.bz2

Also, Md5check for gst-plugins is different for me:

    $ md5sum gstreamer/gst-plugins/download/gst-plugins-0.4.1.tar.bz2 
    9b190733771be21bf8bf18971a652955 
    gstreamer/gst-plugins/download/gst-plugins-0.4.1.tar.bz2
    
versus

    6de1255082d5cf5dddfd3686f0b383e2  download/gst-plugins-0.4.1.tar.bz2


I've downloaded it twice with the same result.

I'll temporarily change the checksum and cont...

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Has anyone gotten garnome started with kdm in suse 8? 

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> Gal2 libraries should be at (line split by evo):
> 
>     http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/gal2-0/0.0/gal2-0-0.0.6.tar.bz2

Thanks, borky release name didn't quite fit with the conversion. ;-)

> Also, Md5check for gst-plugins is different for me:
> 
>     $ md5sum gstreamer/gst-plugins/download/gst-plugins-0.4.1.tar.bz2 
>     9b190733771be21bf8bf18971a652955 
>     gstreamer/gst-plugins/download/gst-plugins-0.4.1.tar.bz2
>     
> versus
> 
>     6de1255082d5cf5dddfd3686f0b383e2  download/gst-plugins-0.4.1.tar.bz2

Gar. Thomas re-released with the same version number, but I can't claim that
I didn't know. I just forgot to update it. :-)

Thanks, point release coming out with your name on it. :-)

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Hi!

I'm using garnome 0.14.1 for a while now...
I wanted to know if it is possible to install the new garnome version
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> I'm using garnome 0.14.1 for a while now...
> I wanted to know if it is possible to install the new garnome version
> without losing any files?

Go for it, but I strongly recommend installing to a new prefix, or removing
your old one.

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Hello,
After several attempts to install Gnome 2.0.2 with garnome 0.16.1 I
tried with 0.17.0. I've proved that all necessary libs and apps are
installed as listed on the garnome-homepage and had at this point of
installation about 1.6GB free hdd-space, but got the
following-error-message: 

In file includes from porperties.c:39:
/usr/inlude/apm.h:69: parse error before *
/usr/include/apm.h:69:warning: data definition has no type or storage
class
make [4]: *** [proerties.o] error 1
make [4]: leaving directory
/work/garnome-0.17.0/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/battstat
make[3]: *** [al-recursive] error 1
make[3]: leaving directory
>>/work/garnome-0.17.0/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/battstat
make [2] *** [all-recursive] error 2
make[2]: leaving directory >>
/work/garnome-0.17.0/gnome/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3<<
make *** [all-reccursive-am] error 2
make[1]: leaving directory
>>/work/garnome-0.17.0/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3
make: *** [build.work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/Makefile] error 2


Can someone help me to understand this error-mesage and perhaps give me
some information on how to solve the problem?

Many thanks in advance.

Matthias


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(this was supposed to be mailed from *this* email address, not my other 
one.  Excuse me if it ends up being duplicated.  Need to fix my Netscape 
configuration).




Compiling 0.17.1 under Cygwin, I eventually get this message during the
install for glib 2.0.6:


============================
*** Warning: This library needs some functionality provided by
../glib/libglib-2.0.la.
*** I have the capability to make that library automatically link in when
*** you link to this library.  But I can only do this if you have a
*** shared version of the library, which you do not appear to have.
libtool: link: warning: `/lib/libintl.la' seems to be moved
rm -fr .libs/libgobject-2.0.la .libs/libgobject-2.0.* .libs/libgobject-2.0.*
============================


It has already made it's way through the ./glib files, and seems to have
   run OK there.  But once it gets to the ./work/glib-2.0.6/gobject/*.c
files, I get this error at the beginning, then a long string of
"undefined reference" errors  (such as below):


============================
generating symbol list for `libgobject-2.0.la'
   dlltool --export-all --exclude-symbols
DllMain@12,_cygwin_dll_entry@12,_cygwin_noncygwin_dll_entry@12,DllMainCRTStartup@12,DllEntryPoint@12 

--output-def .libs/cyggobject-2.0-0.dll-def  gboxed.lo gclosure.lo
genums.lo gobject.lo gparam.lo gparamspecs.lo gsignal.lo
gsourceclosure.lo gtype.lo gtypemodule.lo gtypeplugin.lo gvalue.lo
gvaluearray.lo gvaluetransform.lo gvaluetypes.lo
   sed -e "1,/EXPORTS/d" -e "s/ @ [0-9]*//" -e "s/ *;.*$//" <
.libs/cyggobject-2.0-0.dll-def > .libs/libgobject-2.0.exp
if test "x`head -1 .libs/libgobject-2.0.exp`" = xEXPORTS; then cp
.libs/libgobject-2.0.exp .libs/cyggobject-2.0-0.dll-def; else echo
EXPORTS > .libs/cyggobject-2.0-0.dll-def; _lt_hint=1; cat
.libs/libgobject-2.0.exp | while read symbol; do set dummy $symbol; case
$# in 2) echo " $2 @ $_lt_hint ; " >> .libs/cyggobject-2.0-0.dll-def;;
*) echo " $2 @ $_lt_hint $3 ; " >> .libs/cyggobject-2.0-0.dll-def;;
esac; _lt_hint=`expr 1 + $_lt_hint`; done; fi
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-Wl,-e,__cygwin_dll_entry@12 -o .libs/cyggobject-2.0-0.dll  gboxed.lo
gclosure.lo genums.lo gobject.lo gparam.lo gparamspecs.lo gsignal.lo
gsourceclosure.lo gtype.lo gtypemodule.lo gtypeplugin.lo gvalue.lo
gvaluearray.lo gvaluetransform.lo gvaluetypes.lo  -L/usr/lib -L/lib
-L/opt/garnome/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib .libs/libimp-cygintl-2.a
.libs/libimp-cygiconv-2.a
gboxed.lo: In function `value_copy':
/d/Archives/cygwin.other/garnome/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/gobject/gboxed.c:70: 

undefined reference to `g_malloc0'
gboxed.lo: In function `value_free':
/d/Archives/cygwin.other/garnome/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/gobject/gboxed.c:87: 

undefined reference to `g_free'
gboxed.lo: In function `gstring_copy':
============================

and so forth, until it fails out at:


============================
/d/Archives/cygwin.other/garnome/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/gobject/gvaluetypes.c:871: 

undefined reference to `g_strdup'
gvaluetypes.lo: In function `g_pointer_type_register_static':
/d/Archives/cygwin.other/garnome/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/gobject/gvaluetypes.c:898: 

undefined reference to `g_log'
/usr/lib/libcygwin.a(libcmain.o)(.text+0x81): undefined reference to
`WinMain@16'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[7]: *** [libgobject-2.0.la] Error 1
============================



Does that shared library error earlier on have something to do with
this?  (I have a log file of the entire run, including the errors, if it
would be of any use to anyone).





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Hi, I run into a strange error building the latest
garnome (0.17.1) on a Pentium 4 Red Hat 7.3 machine
with gcc 3.2.  Actually I am having the same problem
with all recent versions of garnome (since about
0.16.0).  I have gcc 3.2 installed in a non-standard
place (in /share/software/gcc-3.2/installed/bin).  I
force the use of gcc 3.2 via the environment variables
PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH.

This are the error messages:

.
.
.
[===== NOW BUILDING:	glib-2.0.6	=====]
	[fetch] complete for glib.
	[checksum] complete for glib.
	[extract] complete for glib.
	[patch] complete for glib.
 ==> Building gnome/pkgconfig as a dependency
 ==> Building gnome/gtk-doc as a dependency
	[configure] complete for glib.
 ==> Running make in work/glib-2.0.6
make[5]: Entering directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6'
make  all-recursive
make[6]: Entering directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6'
Making all in .
make[7]: Entering directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6'
make[7]: Nothing to be done for `all-am'.
make[7]: Leaving directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6'
Making all in m4macros
make[7]: Entering directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/m4macros'
make[7]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[7]: Leaving directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/m4macros'
Making all in glib
make[7]: Entering directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/glib'
Making all in libcharset
make[8]: Entering directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/glib/libcharset'
make[8]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[8]: Leaving directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/glib/libcharset'
make[8]: Entering directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/glib'
make[8]: Nothing to be done for `all-am'.
make[8]: Leaving directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/glib'
make[7]: Leaving directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/glib'
Making all in gobject
make[7]: Entering directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/gobject'
echo "#ifndef __G_MARSHAL_H__" > xgen-gmh \
&& echo "#define __G_MARSHAL_H__" >> xgen-gmh \
&& ./glib-genmarshal --nostdinc
--prefix=g_cclosure_marshal ./gmarshal.list --header
>> xgen-gmh \
&& echo "#endif /* __G_MARSHAL_H__ */" >> xgen-gmh \
&& (cmp -s xgen-gmh ./gmarshal.h || cp xgen-gmh
./gmarshal.h) \
&& rm -f xgen-gmh xgen-gmh~ \
&& echo timestamp > stamp-gmarshal.h
lt-glib-genmarshal: error while loading shared
libraries: libgcc_s.so.1: cannot open shared object
file: No such file or directory
make[7]: *** [stamp-gmarshal.h] Error 127
make[7]: Leaving directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/gobject'
make[6]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[6]: Leaving directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6'
make[5]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
make[5]: Leaving directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6'
make[4]: *** [build-work/glib-2.0.6/Makefile] Error 2
make[4]: Leaving directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib'
make[3]: *** [dep-../../gnome/glib] Error 2
make[3]: Leaving directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/atk'
make[2]: *** [dep-../../gnome/atk] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/gtk+'
make[1]: *** [dep-../../gnome/gtk+] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/metacity'
make: *** [dep-../../gnome/metacity] Error 2

My environment variables:

%echo $PATH
/share/software/gcc-3.2/installed/bin:/share/software/gnome2/installed/bin:/share/software/gnome/installed/bin:/home/atai/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin

%echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH
/share/software/gcc-3.2/installed/lib:/share/software/gnome2/installed/lib:/share/software/gcc-3.2/installed/lib:/share/software/gnome/installed/lib:/usr/local/bin


If I go into the glib directory and do ./configure &&
make && make install there, it works.

gcc 3.2 works otherwise on this system; I compiled a
lot of other software like latest samba and Linux
kernel on this configuration and they all work.

My binutils version is 2.13.

This may be a bug in GAR, or gcc, instead of garnome,
but I post it here first so if any garnome users can
help me solving this problem, that would be greatly
appreciated.

Andy

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> Hi, I run into a strange error building the latest garnome (0.17.1) on a
> Pentium 4 Red Hat 7.3 machine with gcc 3.2. Actually I am having the same
> problem with all recent versions of garnome (since about 0.16.0).  I have
> gcc 3.2 installed in a non-standard place (in
> /share/software/gcc-3.2/installed/bin).  I force the use of gcc 3.2 via
> the environment variables PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH.

I'd wager it's gcc, which looks homebuilt, rather than from your distro. Try
building with your distro-supplied gcc instead.

- Jeff

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Thanks for the reply.  With Red Hat 7, the distro
compiler is gcc 2.96.  So you can see that I try to
avoid it...

I wonder if anyone else successfully used gcc 3.2 with
Garnome.  For these people, where do you install your
gcc 3.2?

--- Jeff Waugh  wrote:

> 
> I'd wager it's gcc, which looks homebuilt, rather
> than from your distro. Try
> building with your distro-supplied gcc instead.
> 
> - Jeff
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> Thanks for the reply.  With Red Hat 7, the distro compiler is gcc 2.96.
> So you can see that I try to avoid it...

No, I can't see why. It has small issues with advanced numeric calculations.
It is not broken. Don't believe-- don't believe-- don't believe the hype.

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> I wonder if anyone else successfully used gcc 3.2 with Garnome.  For these
> people, where do you install your gcc 3.2?

I use gcc 3.2 (provided by my distribution) to test GARNOME. It works. The
only issues I've seen with it were related to homebrew systems and homebrew
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OK, I think I find a way to make it work.  
In gar.conf.mk, there is a line
LD_LIBRARY_PATH :=
/lib:$(DESTDIR)$(libdir):$(DESTDIR)$(BUILD_PREFIX)/lib:/lib:/usr/lib:

which does not carry in the existing LD_LIBRARY_PATH
values.  Maybe that line should be changed as 

LD_LIBRARY_PATH :=
/lib:$(DESTDIR)$(libdir):$(DESTDIR)$(BUILD_PREFIX)/lib:/lib:/usr/lib:$(LD_LIBRARY_PATH)

so people using custom (homebrewed) compilers and
environments can have their tools working with
garnome...

--- Jeff Waugh  wrote:
> 
> 
> > Thanks for the reply.  With Red Hat 7, the distro
> compiler is gcc 2.96.
> > So you can see that I try to avoid it...
> 
> No, I can't see why. It has small issues with
> advanced numeric calculations.
> It is not broken. Don't believe-- don't believe--
> don't believe the hype.
> 
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>   I'm the epitome - a public enemy
>   Used, abused without clues
>   I refused to blow a fuse
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> 
> - Jeff

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On Monday 23 September 2002 19:55, Andy Tai wrote:
>Thanks for the reply.  With Red Hat 7, the distro
>compiler is gcc 2.96.  So you can see that I try to
>avoid it...

The question though is why?  If you have been keeping the system 
up2date, then the installed version s/b 2.96-112, and thats quite 
capable AFAIK.  I had gcc-3.2 in for a while, but finally ripped it 
back out because it couldn't find the installed qt-3.0.4 lbs when 
there were 4 of them installed here & there.  Lifes too short to 
screw with such headaches.

>I wonder if anyone else successfully used gcc 3.2 with
>Garnome.  For these people, where do you install your
>gcc 3.2?
>
>--- Jeff Waugh  wrote:
>> I'd wager it's gcc, which looks homebuilt, rather
>> than from your distro. Try
>> building with your distro-supplied gcc instead.
>>
>> - Jeff
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Hi James,

I haven't tried building GNOME2 for CygWin, but I do know that there are at 
least two GNOME ports to CygWin+X out there:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/steven.obrien2/
http://www.geocities.co.jp/SiliconValley/1596/en/cygwin.html#GnomeHello-0.1

I don't know how far the GNOME2 progress is (or if work is even beyond the 
planning stage), but it would be great if that work (and the work of the 
MacOSX fink port of GNOME2) could be folded into GARNOME so that those 
platform ports would be always up to date and so GARNOME could become even 
more popular.

You might try and talk to one of the porters and ask for advice or have them 
post here if they need any input on how the GARNOME port works.

Best of luck,
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I get the following error when compiling gnome-hacker-tools:

.....
gda-mysql-provider.c:1094: conflicting types for
`g_type_check_instance_cast'
/home/roku/garnome/include/glib-2.0/gobject/gtype.h:319: previous
declaration of `g_type_check_instance_cast'
gda-mysql-provider.c:1094: warning: type defaults to `int' in
declaration of `gda_data_model_get_type'
gda-mysql-provider.c:1094: conflicting types for
`gda_data_model_get_type'
../../libgda/gda-data-model.h:73: previous declaration of
`gda_data_model_get_type'
gda-mysql-provider.c:1094: parse error before `)'
gda-mysql-provider.c:1097: parse error before `('
gda-mysql-provider.c:1097: warning: type defaults to `int' in
declaration of `gda_value_free'
gda-mysql-provider.c:1097: `gda_value_free' redeclared as different kind
of symbol
../../libgda/gda-value.h:134: previous declaration of `gda_value_free'
gda-mysql-provider.c:1097: parse error before `void'
gda-mysql-provider.c:1098: warning: type defaults to `int' in
declaration of `g_list_free'
gda-mysql-provider.c:1098: warning: parameter names (without types) in
function declaration
gda-mysql-provider.c:1098: conflicting types for `g_list_free'
/home/roku/garnome/include/glib-2.0/glib/glist.h:48: previous
declaration of `g_list_free'
gda-mysql-provider.c:1098: warning: data definition has no type or
storage classgda-mysql-provider.c:1099: parse error before `}'
gda-mysql-provider.c:1101: warning: type defaults to `int' in
declaration of `mysql_free_result'
gda-mysql-provider.c:1101: warning: parameter names (without types) in
function declaration
gda-mysql-provider.c:1101: warning: data definition has no type or
storage classgda-mysql-provider.c:1103: parse error before `return'
make[7]: *** [gda-mysql-provider.lo] Error 1
make[7]: Leaving directory
`/home/roku/tmp/installed/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/libgda/work/libgda-0.8.193/providers/mysql'
make[6]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[6]: Leaving directory
`/home/roku/tmp/installed/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/libgda/work/libgda-0.8.193/providers'
make[5]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[5]: Leaving directory
`/home/roku/tmp/installed/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/libgda/work/libgda-0.8.193'
make[4]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
make[4]: Leaving directory
`/home/roku/tmp/installed/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/libgda/work/libgda-0.8.193'
make[3]: *** [build-work/libgda-0.8.193/Makefile] Error 2
make[3]: Leaving directory
`/home/roku/tmp/installed/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/libgda'
make[2]: *** [dep-../../gnome/libgda] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/home/roku/tmp/installed/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/libgnomedb'
make[1]: *** [dep-../../gnome/libgnomedb] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/home/roku/tmp/installed/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glade'make: ***
[dep-../../gnome/glade] Error 2
roku@gideon:~/tmp/installed/garnome-0.17.1/meta/gno

------------------------

The same, if I try to compile gnome-office. Its always a problem with
libgda.



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Gruss,

	Rolf


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> LD_LIBRARY_PATH :=
> /lib:$(DESTDIR)$(libdir):$(DESTDIR)$(BUILD_PREFIX)/lib:/lib:/usr/lib:$(LD_LIBRARY_PATH)

Sweet, ta, will be added to next release.

- Jeff

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   it as good as the Macintosh.  To try to be like Windows is to try for    
                      second-best." - Richard Stallman                      

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Hey guys,

I know my problem is a wrong version of MySQL-client and MYSQL-devel.
I tried version 3.23 and 4.0 but I still get errors (something about the
mystrings.so stuff)...
Finally I tried to deinstall all MySQL stuff and recompiled the libgda
stuff, successfully :)

Can anyone tell me what the right MySQL setup is to get libgda compiled
?

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Everytime I try to compile a garnoome version since 0.15.x I get an
error message, that index.sgml file located in DOC/C/html cannot be
found. See below for a detailed error msg.
My workaround is to craete a file with that name in the given directory
without any content, and it works.
This happens when compiling gnomedb or libgda for example.

Is there anybody with the same feature ?

---------------
/usr/bin/install: cannot stat `./html/index.sgml': No such file or
directory
make[6]: *** [install-data-local] Error 1
make[6]: Leaving directory
`/home/roku/tmp/installed/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/libgnomedb/work/libgnomedb-0.8.193/doc/C'
make[5]: *** [install-am] Error 2
make[5]: Leaving directory
`/home/roku/tmp/installed/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/libgnomedb/work/libgnomedb-0.8.193/doc/C'
make[4]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
make[4]: Leaving directory
`/home/roku/tmp/installed/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/libgnomedb/work/libgnomedb-0.8.193/doc'
make[3]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory
`/home/roku/tmp/installed/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/libgnomedb/work/libgnomedb-0.8.193'
make[2]: *** [install-work/libgnomedb-0.8.193/Makefile] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/home/roku/tmp/installed/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/libgnomedb'
make[1]: *** [dep-../../gnome/libgnomedb] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/home/roku/tmp/installed/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glade'

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I've looked at those 2 projects, and besides that I have yet to get a 
successful compile on them, I also wanted to try and get Gnome 2 
running.  Working with Garnome is an experiment to see if it can be 
done, as well as gain some program troubleshooting experience in the 
process.

Even Steven Obrien on his site says he'd like to concentrate less on 
Gnome 1.4 & more on 2.0x.


Robert Devi wrote:
> Hi James,
> 
> I haven't tried building GNOME2 for CygWin, but I do know that there are 
> at least two GNOME ports to CygWin+X out there:



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Hey Jeff & Garnomer's.

Now that school's started again I find myself very busy with things not 
Gnome. I'd love to stay current with my Garnome builds but I don't want 
it to be a chore. I notice myself not reading the majority of mail on 
this list.

I'm wondering if the gnome.org list manager would be kind enough to 
create a garnome-announce list where the latest release eMail normally 
posted here could be cc'ed.

Is that a reasonable request, Jeff?

Thanks,
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Hello All:

I'm Robotito. Yesterday I downloaded garnome 0.17.1, but after downloading 
libgnomeprint and freetype2, i got this error message:

...
Scanning path /home/robotito/garnome/lib/groff/font (recursive)
Unsuccessful stat: /home/robotito/garnome/lib/groff/font
Scanning path /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts
Scanning path /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts (recursive)
Scanning path /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/CID (recursive)
Scanning path /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo (recursive)
Scanning path /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1 (recursive)
make[5]: *** [install-data-local] Violación de segmento
make[5]: Saliendo directorio 
`/c/temp/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/libgnomeprint/work/libgnomeprint-1.116.0/installer'
make[4]: *** [install-am] Error 2
make[4]: Saliendo directorio 
`/c/temp/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/libgnomeprint/work/libgnomeprint-1.116.0/installer'
make[3]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
make[3]: Saliendo directorio 
`/c/temp/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/libgnomeprint/work/libgnomeprint-1.116.0'
make[2]: *** [install-work/libgnomeprint-1.116.0/Makefile] Error 2
make[2]: Saliendo directorio `/c/temp/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/libgnomeprint'
make[1]: *** [dep-../../gnome/libgnomeprint] Error 2
make[1]: Saliendo directorio `/c/temp/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/eog'
make: *** [dep-../../gnome/eog] Error 2


What would it be? I have RedHat 7.3 upgraded from 7.2, and make-installing 
garnome as a normal user.

Help would be grateful.


Saludos,

Luis Julian.





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Is it possible to build garnome without building any of the KDE
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> Is it possible to build garnome without building any of the KDE
> components?

Yes. Build the meta garballs (as described on the website), or other GNOME
garballs individually if you choose.

- Jeff

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> I'm wondering if the gnome.org list manager would be kind enough to 
> create a garnome-announce list where the latest release eMail normally 
> posted here could be cc'ed.
> 
> Is that a reasonable request, Jeff?

You can subscribe to gnome-announce-list. I send GARNOME announcements
there. We're not all that fond of making new lists all the time, and I'd
prefer to keep just the one for GARNOME.

Thanks,

- Jeff

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> Everytime I try to compile a garnoome version since 0.15.x I get an
> error message, that index.sgml file located in DOC/C/html cannot be
> found. See below for a detailed error msg.
> My workaround is to craete a file with that name in the given directory
> without any content, and it works.
> This happens when compiling gnomedb or libgda for example.

Yeah, happens to everyone. Just make install again, or touch the file.

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or install gtk-doc tools or something.  read the FAQ for libgda, it's in
there.  it's a make problem, but seen during make install.  for debian
install the package gtk-doc-tools

regards,
Sean

PS I sent an e-mail about this a few weeks ago.

On Wed, 25 Sep 2002, Jeff Waugh wrote:

> 
>
> > Everytime I try to compile a garnoome version since 0.15.x I get an
> > error message, that index.sgml file located in DOC/C/html cannot be
> > found. See below for a detailed error msg.
> > My workaround is to craete a file with that name in the given directory
> > without any content, and it works.
> > This happens when compiling gnomedb or libgda for example.
>
> Yeah, happens to everyone. Just make install again, or touch the file.
>
> - Jeff
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> or install gtk-doc tools or something.  read the FAQ for libgda, it's in
> there.  it's a make problem, but seen during make install.  for debian
> install the package gtk-doc-tools

GARNOME installs gtk-doc, but the libgnomedb libraries don't respect
--disable-gtk-doc (which is used across the board in GARNOME builds).

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Hi Guys,

I am using garnome 0.17.1 and I am getting a compile error when I get to ye=
lp-1.0.6 the error is as follows:

usr/local/garnome/include -I/usr/local/garnome/include/freetype2 -I/usr/loc=
al/garnome/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/garnome/lib/glib-2.0/include   -D_=
REENTRANT -DORBIT2=3D1 -I/usr/local/garnome/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/lo=
cal/garnome/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/garnome/include/bonobo-a=
ctivation-2.0 -I/usr/local/garnome/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/garnome/li=
b/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/garnome/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/garn=
ome/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/garnome/include/linc-1.0 -I/usr/local/garn=
ome/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/garnome/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/=
local/garnome/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/garnome/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -=
I/usr/local/garnome/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/garnome/include=
/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/garnome/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/garnome/inclu=
de/libbonoboui-2.0 -I/usr/local/garnome/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/garn=
ome/include -I/usr/local/garnome/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/garnome/lib=
/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/garnome/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/X11R6/include =
  -I/usr/local/garnome/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -L/usr/local/garnome/li=
b -L/usr/X11R6/lib -O2 -pipe -g -I/usr/local/garnome/include -I/usr/X11R6/i=
nclude -L/usr/local/garnome/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib -O2 -pipe -Wall -Wno-unini=
tialized -Wchar-subscripts -Wmissing-declarations -Wmissing-prototypes -Wne=
sted-externs -Wpointer-arith         -Wno-sign-compare -Wsign-promo -c yelp=
-window.c
yelp-window.c: In function `window_populate':
yelp-window.c:265: `gettext' undeclared (first use in this function)
yelp-window.c:265: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
yelp-window.c:265: for each function it appears in.)
make[4]: *** [yelp-window.o] Error 1
make[4]: Leaving directory `/home/matjc/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/yelp/work/yelp=
-1.0.6/src'
make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/matjc/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/yelp/work/yelp=
-1.0.6'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/matjc/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/yelp/work/yelp=
-1.0.6'
make[1]: *** [build-work/yelp-1.0.6/Makefile] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/matjc/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/yelp'
make: *** [dep-../../gnome/yelp] Error 2

Is anyone able to tell me how I can fix this please there doesnt seam to be=
 any problems with the configure of this ..

thanks
Toby.

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> yelp-window.c: In function `window_populate':
> yelp-window.c:265: `gettext' undeclared (first use in this function)
> yelp-window.c:265: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
> yelp-window.c:265: for each function it appears in.)

> Is anyone able to tell me how I can fix this please there doesnt seam to
> be any problems with the configure of this ..

Got gettext?

- Jeff

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Greetings Garnomers,
Thanks for your previous help. I decided to reinstall garnome this time t=
o=20
/opt/garnome. It seems to be happy there with no error messages on=20
completion. Now  my question.
I'm running Mandrake 8.2 on i686 - 791meg  processor - 512meg of RAM
Can I have Garnome configured so that it is one of the choices in the men=
u of=20
the login screen as is KDE 2 -KDE 3 -GNOME 1.4 - ENLIGHTENMENT etc.
If it's possible then "How do I do it?"
If it's not possible then "What's the best way to run and use it?"
Regards=20
Richard Bond.

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Hi,

During my attempts to get garnome-0.17.1 installed on SuSE 8.0 the
installation stops while compiling and installing gnome-applets with the
following message, which I am unable to understand. 
The pasted message could contain some mistakes, because of the fact I
had to translate it from german to english manually.
I would be happy to get some help in order to understand its sense.

Many thanks,

Matthias



Here is the error-message:
__________________________________________________________________________
Making all in descs   
make [5]: changing directory directory <>AM_armeninan.keygroup<< needed
by >>al-am<<.stop  
make [5]: leaving directory directory
>>work/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome/applets-2.0.3/gkb-new/descs<<     
make [4] *** [all-recursive] error 1   
make [4]: leaving directory directory
/work/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new<<     
make [3]: *** [all-recursive] error 1       
make [3]: leaving directory directory
_>>/work/garnome-1.17.1/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3>>     make [2]: *** [all-recursive] error 2    
make [2]: leaving directory directory
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make [1]: *** [build-work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/Makefile] error 2    
make [1] leaving directory directory
>>/work/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/gnome-applets<< 
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Check out my email on integrating gdm2 into Mandrake. It also explains
your needs.

http://mail.gnome.org/archives/garnome-list/2002-September/msg00028.html

-A.

ke, 25-09-2002 kello 15:45, Richard Bond kirjoitti:
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Hello: In garnome 0.17.1 et al. the Workspace Switcher applet is not
working for me. All I want to do is go from 1 workspace to 8 workspaces.
So I try to use help but it crashes on me and so I try to file a bug
report with Bug Buddy. Where I have to type in what happened I am not
able to do any typing in the Bug Buddy form. So after someone updates
their garnome do they have problems with the above applet?

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On Thu, 2002-09-26 at 08:48, Michael Dewey wrote:
> Hello: In garnome 0.17.1 et al. the Workspace Switcher applet is not
> working for me. All I want to do is go from 1 workspace to 8 workspaces.
> So I try to use help but it crashes on me and so I try to file a bug
> report with Bug Buddy. Where I have to type in what happened I am not
> able to do any typing in the Bug Buddy form. So after someone updates
> their garnome do they have problems with the above applet?
>=20

Running garnome 0.17.1 I have no problems with that applet. (I am also
using vbs on top of garnome, but only to compile libgnomeprint*,
libguppi, and gnumeric from cvs. THat shouldn't affect the behaviour of
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Hmmz

It only crashed on my when using sawfish, After switching to metacity it
worked like a charm.

Hope this helps

Ron

On Thu, 2002-09-26 at 17:00, Andreas J. Guelzow wrote:
> On Thu, 2002-09-26 at 08:48, Michael Dewey wrote:
> > Hello: In garnome 0.17.1 et al. the Workspace Switcher applet is not
> > working for me. All I want to do is go from 1 workspace to 8 workspaces.
> > So I try to use help but it crashes on me and so I try to file a bug
> > report with Bug Buddy. Where I have to type in what happened I am not
> > able to do any typing in the Bug Buddy form. So after someone updates
> > their garnome do they have problems with the above applet?
> > 
> 
> Running garnome 0.17.1 I have no problems with that applet. (I am also
> using vbs on top of garnome, but only to compile libgnomeprint*,
> libguppi, and gnumeric from cvs. THat shouldn't affect the behaviour of
> that applet.)
> 
> Andreas
> 



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Hello!

I can't find the good old each and paranoid_each in the latest garnome 
distribution.
Is there another way now to accomplish what they did?

Thanks,
Robert


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On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 18:01, Robert Staudinger wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> I can't find the good old each and paranoid_each in the latest garnome 
> distribution.
> Is there another way now to accomplish what they did?

There is a makefile in the toplevel directory. This can be used for
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make install

make paranoid-extract

etc...

Cheers
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Hi, this doesn't seem to be fixed in 0.17.1.

Larry

Jeff Waugh wrote:

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>>Any particular reason LD_LIBRARY_PATH changed in gar.conf.mk 0.15.1?
>>    
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>Yeah, I brought it in from upstream. I didn't expect it to cause many
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> Hi, this doesn't seem to be fixed in 0.17.1.

Will be in the next, thanks.

- Jeff

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Hello,

I know this subject has come up quite a bit (gdm and garnome) but none
of the past posts seem to address this issue.  So...

I have just installed garnome 0.17.1 and set up gdm to run.  I added
the required LD_LIBRARY_PATH et. all to the
"$HOME/garnome/etc/gdm/gnomerc" file and logged in via gdm.  It works
great!  There is only one exception between simply using the
".xsession" file and gdm: the font size.  When I use the ".xsession"
file via startx the font "Sans 10" is of proper size to see on my
1600x1200 display.  But when I log in via gdm the size 10 font looks
small and I have to increase the font size to 14.  

Is this an expected behavior, or is gdm doing something wrong in the
startup.  Garnome seems to run fine in every other respect...

Thanks
Parrish

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Could this have something to do with which resolution it's using?

Last I looked at my kdm file it was starting at a 100 dpi, while when I 
ran from bash it started at 72, because startx executed 'X -dpi ...'.

--Pat

Parrish M Myers wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I know this subject has come up quite a bit (gdm and garnome) but none
> of the past posts seem to address this issue.  So...
> 
> I have just installed garnome 0.17.1 and set up gdm to run.  I added
> the required LD_LIBRARY_PATH et. all to the
> "$HOME/garnome/etc/gdm/gnomerc" file and logged in via gdm.  It works
> great!  There is only one exception between simply using the
> ".xsession" file and gdm: the font size.  When I use the ".xsession"
> file via startx the font "Sans 10" is of proper size to see on my
> 1600x1200 display.  But when I log in via gdm the size 10 font looks
> small and I have to increase the font size to 14.  
> 
> Is this an expected behavior, or is gdm doing something wrong in the
> startup.  Garnome seems to run fine in every other respect...
> 
> Thanks
> Parrish
> 
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Wow, your right!

I checked the resolution difference between startx and gdm... aparently
gdm starts the X server in 72 dpi while startx starts the server in
100.  Go figure.  I simply added the '-dpi 100' option to the X command
in the gdm config file (don't know if this is the right place to do
this... but it works).

Thank you.

--- Pat Suwalski  wrote:
> Could this have something to do with which resolution it's using?
> 
> Last I looked at my kdm file it was starting at a 100 dpi, while when
> I 
> ran from bash it started at 72, because startx executed 'X -dpi ...'.
> 
> --Pat
> 
> Parrish M Myers wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I know this subject has come up quite a bit (gdm and garnome) but
> none
> > of the past posts seem to address this issue.  So...
> > 
> > I have just installed garnome 0.17.1 and set up gdm to run.  I
> added
> > the required LD_LIBRARY_PATH et. all to the
> > "$HOME/garnome/etc/gdm/gnomerc" file and logged in via gdm.  It
> works
> > great!  There is only one exception between simply using the
> > ".xsession" file and gdm: the font size.  When I use the
> ".xsession"
> > file via startx the font "Sans 10" is of proper size to see on my
> > 1600x1200 display.  But when I log in via gdm the size 10 font
> looks
> > small and I have to increase the font size to 14.  
> > 
> > Is this an expected behavior, or is gdm doing something wrong in
> the
> > startup.  Garnome seems to run fine in every other respect...
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Parrish
> > 
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hey Jeff,
Do you think you could mention in the docs somewhere that you need guile
to build aisleriot or something?  I just found out that I was running the
old version, so I wanted to try out the new one.  It's really buggy.  it
would be nice if the garnome users could test it out a little.  I found
two crashing bugs so far.

Thanks,
Sean


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Hello

I finished a patch for building rpm packages from garnome-0.17.1.
The packages created are the ones under gnome and misc subdirectories. 
Others will follow soon.

The patch is available at:

http://www.rcsnet.net/pub/Gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/patches/garnome-package-0.17.1.patch

The packages:

http://www.rcsnet.net/pub/Gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/SRPMS/
http://www.rcsnet.net/pub/Gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/RPMS/i386
http://www.rcsnet.net/pub/Gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/RPMS/noarch

The packages for garnome-0.15.0 are also available under
http://www.rcsnet.net/pub/Gnome2/garnome-0.15.0

Please take care when using binary packages (my build host is far from 
being a standard redhat ...) ...

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This happens to me at every version.  GARNOME can't download =
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Never tried that my self, but:

- Download the same gdm Version you have
- Uninstall old gdm
- Link all gdm Files from $HOME/garnome/... to /usr/bin
- Restart X

If it ist noch working, delete the Links and reinstall gdm by=20

init 3
rpm -ihv gdm*.rpm
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On Sun, 2002-09-01 at 05:20, Jason Trickett wrote:
> Hi.
> I installed gdm thru gnome-fifth-toe (garnome-0.13.1) and I wish to use
> this newer version as my login manager. Could someone point me in the
> right direction? Thanks.

Prolly depends on distro. On debian I installed gdm into the garnome
install directory (as root, but I don't know if that is needed [I
figrured so because of pam interaction]. Everything else I installed as
user). Then I edited /etc/init.d/gdm to point to the new gdm. Also,
either set HEED_DEFAULT_DISPLAY_MANAGER=false in /etc/init.d/gdm or
leave it as true, but change /etc/X11/default-display-manager to point
to new gdm. (There may be a Debian Way to set this, but I couldn't find
it and just used vi)



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Hi guys. I encounter the following error message when compiling gimp
1.3.7 (gnome-fifth-toe). If anybody can decipher it and lead me in the
right direction I will be most thankful. Thanks!

- Jason

: undefined reference to `procedural_db_execute'
plug-in/libappplug-in.a(plug-in.o): In function
`plug_in_handle_proc_install':
/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-in.c:1612: undefined reference to `procedural_db_register'
plug-in/libappplug-in.a(plug-in.o): In function `plug_in_temp_run':
/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-in.c:1835: undefined reference to `procedural_db_return_args'
/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-in.c:1849: undefined reference to `procedural_db_return_args'
plug-in/libappplug-in.a(plug-ins.o): In function `plug_ins_add_to_db':
/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-ins.c:591: undefined reference to `procedural_db_register'
/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-ins.c:623: undefined reference to `procedural_db_execute'
plug-in/libappplug-in.a(plug-ins.o): In function
`plug_ins_proc_def_remove':
/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-ins.c:728: undefined reference to `procedural_db_unregister'
plug-in/libappplug-in.a(plug-in-params.o): In function
`plug_in_args_destroy':
/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-in-params.c:450: undefined reference to `procedural_db_destroy_args'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[6]: *** [gimp-1.3] Error 1
make[6]: Leaving directory
`/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app'
make[5]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[5]: Leaving directory
`/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app'
make[4]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[4]: Leaving directory
`/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7'
make[3]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
make[3]: Leaving directory
`/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7'
make[2]: *** [build-work/gimp-1.3.7/Makefile] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp'
make[1]: *** [dep-../../gnome/gimp] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp-freetype'
make: *** [dep-../../gnome/gimp-freetype] Error 2


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Hi guys. I encounter the following error message when compiling gimp 1.3.7 (gnome-fifth-toe). If anybody can decipher it and lead me in the right direction I will be most thankful. Thanks!





- Jason





: undefined reference to `procedural_db_execute'


plug-in/libappplug-in.a(plug-in.o): In function `plug_in_handle_proc_install':


/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-in.c:1612: undefined reference to `procedural_db_register'


plug-in/libappplug-in.a(plug-in.o): In function `plug_in_temp_run':


/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-in.c:1835: undefined reference to `procedural_db_return_args'


/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-in.c:1849: undefined reference to `procedural_db_return_args'


plug-in/libappplug-in.a(plug-ins.o): In function `plug_ins_add_to_db':


/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-ins.c:591: undefined reference to `procedural_db_register'


/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-ins.c:623: undefined reference to `procedural_db_execute'


plug-in/libappplug-in.a(plug-ins.o): In function `plug_ins_proc_def_remove':


/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-ins.c:728: undefined reference to `procedural_db_unregister'


plug-in/libappplug-in.a(plug-in-params.o): In function `plug_in_args_destroy':


/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-in-params.c:450: undefined reference to `procedural_db_destroy_args'


collect2: ld returned 1 exit status


make[6]: *** [gimp-1.3] Error 1


make[6]: Leaving directory `/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app'


make[5]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1


make[5]: Leaving directory `/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app'


make[4]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1


make[4]: Leaving directory `/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7'


make[3]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2


make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7'


make[2]: *** [build-work/gimp-1.3.7/Makefile] Error 2


make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp'


make[1]: *** [dep-../../gnome/gimp] Error 2


make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp-freetype'


make: *** [dep-../../gnome/gimp-freetype] Error 2






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On Sun, 2002-09-01 at 03:35, Mario Vukelic wrote:

On Sun, 2002-09-01 at 05:20, Jason Trickett wrote:
> Hi.
> I installed gdm thru gnome-fifth-toe (garnome-0.13.1) and I wish to use
> this newer version as my login manager. Could someone point me in the
> right direction? Thanks.

> Prolly depends on distro. On debian I installed gdm into the garnome
> install directory (as root, but I don't know if that is needed [I
> figrured so because of pam interaction]. Everything else I installed as
> user). Then I edited /etc/init.d/gdm to point to the new gdm. Also,
> either set HEED_DEFAULT_DISPLAY_MANAGER=false in /etc/init.d/gdm or
> leave it as true, but change /etc/X11/default-display-manager to point
> to new gdm. (There may be a Debian Way to set this, but I couldn't find
> it and just used vi)


Thanks for answering! I looked in /etc/init.d/ and there was not a file
named gdm to edit on my system (mandrake 8.1). Anyhoo, in
/etc/X11/prefdm i noticed some code that looks like this:

preferred=
if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/desktop ]; then
	. /etc/sysconfig/desktop >/dev/null 2>&1
	[ -n "$DISPLAYMANAGER" ] && DESKTOP=$DISPLAYMANAGER
	if [ "$DESKTOP" = "GNOME" -o "$DESKTOP" = "Gnome" ]; then
		preferred=gdm
	elif [ "$DESKTOP" = "KDE" -o "$DESKTOP" = "KDE1" -o "$DESKTOP" = "KDE2"
]; then
		preferred=/usr/bin/kdm
	elif [ "$DESKTOP" = "AnotherLevel" ] ; then
                preferred=/usr/X11R6/bin/xdm
	fi
fi

Could I edit 'preferred-gdm' to 'preferred=/home/jason/garnome/gdm' ?

- Jason


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On Sun, 2002-09-01 at 03:35, Mario Vukelic wrote:

On Sun, 2002-09-01 at 05:20, Jason Trickett wrote:
> Hi.
> I installed gdm thru gnome-fifth-toe (garnome-0.13.1) and I wish to use
> this newer version as my login manager. Could someone point me in the
> right direction? Thanks.

> Prolly depends on distro. On debian I installed gdm into the garnome
> install directory (as root, but I don't know if that is needed [I
> figrured so because of pam interaction]. Everything else I installed as
> user). Then I edited /etc/init.d/gdm to point to the new gdm. Also,
> either set HEED_DEFAULT_DISPLAY_MANAGER=false in /etc/init.d/gdm or
> leave it as true, but change /etc/X11/default-display-manager to point
> to new gdm. (There may be a Debian Way to set this, but I couldn't find
> it and just used vi)


Thanks for answering! I looked in /etc/init.d/ and there was not a file named gdm to edit on my system (mandrake 8.1). Anyhoo, in /etc/X11/prefdm i noticed some code that looks like this:





preferred=


if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/desktop ]; then


	. /etc/sysconfig/desktop >/dev/null 2>&1


	[ -n "$DISPLAYMANAGER" ] && DESKTOP=$DISPLAYMANAGER


	if [ "$DESKTOP" = "GNOME" -o "$DESKTOP" = "Gnome" ]; then


		preferred=gdm


	elif [ "$DESKTOP" = "KDE" -o "$DESKTOP" = "KDE1" -o "$DESKTOP" = "KDE2" ]; then


		preferred=/usr/bin/kdm


	elif [ "$DESKTOP" = "AnotherLevel" ] ; then


                preferred=/usr/X11R6/bin/xdm


	fi


fi





Could I edit 'preferred-gdm' to 'preferred=/home/jason/garnome/gdm' ?





- Jason


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> Thanks for answering! I looked in /etc/init.d/ and there was not a file
> named gdm to edit on my system (mandrake 8.1).

Okay, as a warning, Mandrake does some really odd stuff with its X and *DM
startup scripts...

> Anyhoo, in /etc/X11/prefdm i noticed some code that looks like this:

> if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/desktop ]; then

> Could I edit 'preferred-gdm' to 'preferred=/home/jason/garnome/gdm' ?

No, it sounds like you want to edit environment variables set in
/etc/sysconfig/desktop. Or, you could just change /etc/inittab, but I'd
recommend attempting to do it 'The Mandrake Way' to begin with.

- Jeff

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Jeff Waugh wrote:

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>  
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>>Thanks for answering! I looked in /etc/init.d/ and there was not a file
>>named gdm to edit on my system (mandrake 8.1).
>>    
>>
>
>Okay, as a warning, Mandrake does some really odd stuff with its X and *DM
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>>Anyhoo, in /etc/X11/prefdm i noticed some code that looks like this:
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>>Could I edit 'preferred-gdm' to 'preferred=/home/jason/garnome/gdm' ?
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>No, it sounds like you want to edit environment variables set in
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>recommend attempting to do it 'The Mandrake Way' to begin with.
>
>- Jeff
>
Wow, this is getting weird! The only contents in my 
/etc/sysconfig/desktop file is:

DESKTOP="Gnome"

Isn't this where my default desktop choice is stored? Also, in 
/etc/inittab the last few lines are:

# Run xdm in runlevel 5
# xdm is now a separate service
x:5:respawn:/etc/X11/prefdm -nodaemon

Isn't this just pointing back to the 'prefdm' file I mentioned before? 
All this jumping around is making my head spin

:)

- Jason


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> Wow, this is getting weird! The only contents in my 
> /etc/sysconfig/desktop file is:
> 
> DESKTOP="Gnome"
> 
> Isn't this where my default desktop choice is stored? Also, in 
> /etc/inittab the last few lines are:
> 
> # Run xdm in runlevel 5
> # xdm is now a separate service
> x:5:respawn:/etc/X11/prefdm -nodaemon
> 
> Isn't this just pointing back to the 'prefdm' file I mentioned before? 

Yeah, but see that it chooses the *DM based on other variables that its
looking for, so I'm assuming you can set them in /etc/sysconfig/desktop as
prefdm sources that file.

> All this jumping around is making my head spin

Welcome to Mandrake. :-)

- Jeff

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> > Isn't this just pointing back to the 'prefdm' file I mentioned before? 
> 
> Yeah, but see that it chooses the *DM based on other variables that its
> looking for, so I'm assuming you can set them in /etc/sysconfig/desktop as
> prefdm sources that file.

(If you haven't added your own desktop stuff for GARNOME, just change the
prefdm script, but note that Mandrake will kill it off later when you
upgrade or whatever.)

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is anyone keeping track of package dependencies outside of gnome-desktop
yet?  I know Jeff asked if someone would before.  If no one is yet, I'd be
willing to compile a simple list if people want to send me what
dependencies they know.

Also totem needs xine more recent than installed in woody.  Anyone know
where I can find debs for xine?

Sean



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Hi Sean,

On Sun, 2002-09-01 at 11:43, Sean Proctor wrote:
> is anyone keeping track of package dependencies outside of gnome-desktop
> yet?  I know Jeff asked if someone would before.  If no one is yet, I'd be
> willing to compile a simple list if people want to send me what
> dependencies they know.

I thought about compiling a list with dependencies, but wasn't sure what
would be the best way to make it. Ideally, you'd like to have a list of
packages needed for the individual components in gnome-fifth-toe. 

However, I couldn't think of a way to do so, except for the brain-dead
"delete all -dev packages, try to compile, successively add the required
-dev packages". Doing that for each component of fifth-toe would take
ages ... (and isn't particularly interesting).

The dependencies I found for all of gnome-fifth-toe together, just by
using GARNOME over time, are these:
  libogg-dev
  libvorbis-dev
  libpspell-dev
  libltdl3-devel
  libxine-dev
Package names are Debian sid's names.

> Also totem needs xine more recent than installed in woody.  Anyone know
> where I can find debs for xine?

Just use the sid packages?

Martijn


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On Sun, 2002-09-01 at 15:56, Martijn Anthonissen wrote:
> The dependencies I found for all of gnome-fifth-toe together, just by
> using GARNOME over time, are these:
>   libogg-dev
>   libvorbis-dev
>   libpspell-dev
>   libltdl3-devel
                ^^

Sorry: skip the "el" there. The package name is libltdl3-dev.

>   libxine-dev
> Package names are Debian sid's names.



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On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 12:16:00AM +0200, Olivier Guéry wrote:
> 
> Le 2002.08.31 22:10, Sean Proctor a écrit :
> >On Sun, 1 Sep 2002, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> >
> >> 
> >>
> >> > >That may have confused configure -> kill it and try again.
> >> >
> >> > You think a  rpm -e ??
> >> >
> >> > I also got a libiconv 1.8 compiled and install.
> >>
> >> ^ ARGH! NO WONDER!
> >
> >That's a problem I've had too.  Perhaps I didn't read libiconv close
> >enough.  libiconv is only for systems without glibc (or maybe system
> >with
> >really ancient glibc).  I don't know why mandrake would give you the
> >option of installing it.  You definitely shouldn't have it though.
> >
> >Sean
> 
> True... Removing libiconv make teh compilation work without problems.
> 
> Thank's all.
> 
> nemo.
> 

ARGGGG !!!!
Without libiconv, balsa don't work...
what can I do ??
I can't find libiciconv.so in garnome...

nemo.


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when i try to compile ggv in gnome-fifth-toe i get the following error:


-rpath -Wl,/home/paessler/garnome/lib
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Stream_GetShort'
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Stream_ExitFrame'
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Stream_GetLong'
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Stream_Seek'
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Get_Next_Char'
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Stream_EnterFrame'
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Get_First_Char'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[5]: *** [ggv] Error 1
make[5]: Leaving directory
`/usr/src/pakete/garnome-0.14.1/gnome/ggv/work/ggv-1.99.90/src'
make[4]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[4]: Leaving directory
`/usr/src/pakete/garnome-0.14.1/gnome/ggv/work/ggv-1.99.90/src'
make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory
`/usr/src/pakete/garnome-0.14.1/gnome/ggv/work/ggv-1.99.90'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/usr/src/pakete/garnome-0.14.1/gnome/ggv/work/ggv-1.99.90'
make[1]: *** [build-work/ggv-1.99.90/Makefile] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/pakete/garnome-0.14.1/gnome/ggv'
make: *** [dep-../../gnome/ggv] Error 2

pango is installed properly, so what is wrong?
any suggestions?

thanks

daniel


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> However, I couldn't think of a way to do so, except for the brain-dead
> "delete all -dev packages, try to compile, successively add the required
> -dev packages". Doing that for each component of fifth-toe would take
> ages ... (and isn't particularly interesting).

Heh. :-)

> The dependencies I found for all of gnome-fifth-toe together, just by
> using GARNOME over time, are these:
>   libogg-dev
>   libvorbis-dev
>   libpspell-dev
>   libltdl3-devel
>   libxine-dev
> Package names are Debian sid's names.

What I'm thinking of doing is noting these in the garball Makefiles, then
building a set of reference pages from those.

I have to upgrade to upstream GAR anyway, so I'll look at it again some time
this week.

Thanks for these,

- Jeff

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Im' ruinning a Slackware 8.0 with Xfree 4.1
I've just downloaded all the Gnome 2.0.1 tarballs and I'm using garnome 
0.13.1
This is the error I get:


In file included from pangoxft-private.h:25,
                  from pangoxft-font.c:26:
pangoxft.h:64: parse error before `pango_xft_font_get_face'
pangoxft.h:64: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of 
`pango_xft_font_get_face'
pangoxft.h:64: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
In file included from pangoxft-font.c:27:
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:34: parse error before 
`_XftFTlibrary'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:34: warning: type defaults to 
`int' in declaration of `_XftFTlibrary'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:34: warning: data definition 
has no type or storage class
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:37: parse error before 
`FT_Face'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:37: warning: no semicolon at 
end of struct or union
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:41: parse error before `size'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:41: warning: type defaults to 
`int' in declaration of `size'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:41: warning: data definition 
has no type or storage class
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:54: parse error before `matrix'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:54: warning: type defaults to 
`int' in declaration of `matrix'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:54: warning: data definition 
has no type or storage class
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:71: parse error before `face'
pangoxft-font.c: In function `get_mini_font':
pangoxft-font.c:164: `FT_Face' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:164: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
pangoxft-font.c:164: for each function it appears in.)
pangoxft-font.c:164: parse error before `face'
pangoxft-font.c:176: `face' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:181: warning: implicit declaration of function 
`FT_Get_Char_Index'
pangoxft-font.c: In function `pango_xft_real_render':
pangoxft-font.c:290: `FT_Face' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:290: parse error before `face'
pangoxft-font.c:312: `face' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c: In function `pango_xft_font_get_coverage':
pangoxft-font.c:531: `FT_Face' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:531: parse error before `face'
pangoxft-font.c:544: `face' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:549: `FT_UInt' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:549: parse error before `gindex'
pangoxft-font.c:550: `FT_ULong' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:552: `charcode' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:552: warning: implicit declaration of function 
`FT_Get_First_Char'
pangoxft-font.c:552: `gindex' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:556: warning: implicit declaration of function 
`FT_Get_Next_Char'
pangoxft-font.c: At top level:
pangoxft-font.c:681: parse error before `face'
pangoxft-font.c: In function `set_unicode_charmap':
pangoxft-font.c:685: `face' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:686: `ft_encoding_unicode' undeclared (first use in 
this function)
pangoxft-font.c:688: `FT_Error' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:688: parse error before `error'
pangoxft-font.c:689: `error' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:689: `FT_Err_Ok' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c: In function `load_fallback_font':
pangoxft-font.c:717: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
pangoxft-font.c: In function `pango_xft_font_get_font':
pangoxft-font.c:766: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
pangoxft-font.c: At top level:
pangoxft-font.c:834: parse error before `pango_xft_font_get_face'
pangoxft-font.c:835: warning: return-type defaults to `int'
pangoxft-font.c: In function `pango_xft_font_get_face':
pangoxft-font.c:838: warning: return makes integer from pointer without 
a cast
pangoxft-font.c:843: warning: return makes integer from pointer without 
a cast
pangoxft-font.c:845: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
pangoxft-font.c:846: warning: control reaches end of non-void function
pangoxft-font.c: In function `pango_xft_font_get_ot_info':
pangoxft-font.c:867: `FT_Face' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:867: parse error before `face'
pangoxft-font.c:869: `face' undeclared (first use in this function)
make[7]: *** [pangoxft-font.lo] Error 1

I've already read something in the archive about freetype but usually 
they consider the package freetype itself and the errors were different 
anyway.Here it seems that the problem could be the headers of XFree or  
am I wrong?
Is there a solution?
Thanks a lot
Lorenzo

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> ARGGGG !!!!
> Without libiconv, balsa don't work...
> what can I do ??
> I can't find libiciconv.so in garnome...

It's fairly likely that balsa is broken (it's not in GARNOME yet for this
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On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 12:38:51AM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
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> 
> > ARGGGG !!!!
> > Without libiconv, balsa don't work...
> > what can I do ??
> > I can't find libiciconv.so in garnome...
> 
> It's fairly likely that balsa is broken (it's not in GARNOME yet for this
> reason).
> 

Cool :o) What can I use to read mail ?? I like mutt, but, I like graphical tools too...

What do you recommand me (is there anyone with gnome 2 compatibility ?)
Pygmy, spurce, sylpheed...

I use fetchmail to get my mail came in, I just need someting to read my ~/Mail folder.
Evolution is eavy, and I can't configure it just to read the difrent file of my ~/Mail folder. 

Thank

nemo.

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> Cool :o) What can I use to read mail ?? I like mutt, but, I like graphical
> tools too...
> 
> What do you recommand me (is there anyone with gnome 2 compatibility ?)
> Pygmy, spurce, sylpheed...

If you like Balsa, why don't you install the 1.x packages for your
distribution?

- Jeff

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On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 01:03:30AM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
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> 
> > Cool :o) What can I use to read mail ?? I like mutt, but, I like graphical
> > tools too...
> > 
> > What do you recommand me (is there anyone with gnome 2 compatibility ?)
> > Pygmy, spurce, sylpheed...
> 
> If you like Balsa, why don't you install the 1.x packages for your
> distribution?
> 
> - Jeff

because if I tried to compile balsa 1.4.0 here is the result :

/sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:71: undefined reference to `libiconv_close'
../libmutt/libmutt.a(rfc2047.o): In function `try_block':
/sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:245: undefined reference to `libiconv'
/sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:245: undefined reference to `libiconv'
/sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:253: undefined reference to `libiconv_close'
/sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:249: undefined reference to `libiconv_close'
../libmutt/libmutt.a(rfc2047.o): In function `encode_block':
/sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:316: undefined reference to `libiconv'
/sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:317: undefined reference to `libiconv'
/sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:319: undefined reference to `libiconv_close'
../libmutt/libmutt.a(sendlib.o): In function `convert_file_to':
/sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/sendlib.c:725: undefined reference to `libiconv'
/sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/sendlib.c:749: undefined reference to `libiconv'
/sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/sendlib.c:808: undefined reference to `libiconv_close'
/sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/sendlib.c:810: undefined reference to `libiconv_close'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[2]: *** [balsa] Erreur 1
make[2]: Quitte le répertoire `/sources/balsa-1.4.0/src'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Erreur 1
make[1]: Quitte le répertoire `/sources/balsa-1.4.0'
make: *** [all-recursive-am] Erreur 2

It seems that he need libiconv too...
And runing my old balsa binari say that he need libiconv.so.2

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On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 05:10:39PM +0200, Olivier Guéry wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 01:03:30AM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > Cool :o) What can I use to read mail ?? I like mutt, but, I like graphical
> > > tools too...
> > > 
> > > What do you recommand me (is there anyone with gnome 2 compatibility ?)
> > > Pygmy, spurce, sylpheed...
> > 
> > If you like Balsa, why don't you install the 1.x packages for your
> > distribution?
> > 
> > - Jeff
> 
> because if I tried to compile balsa 1.4.0 here is the result :
> 
> /sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:71: undefined reference to `libiconv_close'
> ../libmutt/libmutt.a(rfc2047.o): In function `try_block':
> /sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:245: undefined reference to `libiconv'
> /sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:245: undefined reference to `libiconv'
> /sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:253: undefined reference to `libiconv_close'
> /sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:249: undefined reference to `libiconv_close'
> ../libmutt/libmutt.a(rfc2047.o): In function `encode_block':
> /sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:316: undefined reference to `libiconv'
> /sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:317: undefined reference to `libiconv'
> /sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:319: undefined reference to `libiconv_close'
> ../libmutt/libmutt.a(sendlib.o): In function `convert_file_to':
> /sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/sendlib.c:725: undefined reference to `libiconv'
> /sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/sendlib.c:749: undefined reference to `libiconv'
> /sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/sendlib.c:808: undefined reference to `libiconv_close'
> /sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/sendlib.c:810: undefined reference to `libiconv_close'
> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
> make[2]: *** [balsa] Erreur 1
> make[2]: Quitte le répertoire `/sources/balsa-1.4.0/src'
> make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Erreur 1
> make[1]: Quitte le répertoire `/sources/balsa-1.4.0'
> make: *** [all-recursive-am] Erreur 2
> 
> It seems that he need libiconv too...
> And runing my old balsa binari say that he need libiconv.so.2
> 
> nemo.
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Sorry, I delet my balsa source and rebuilt it and it works... Sorry but It must be on of the mistery of the computers...

Once again, thanks for your help... And I expect balsa gone work with gnome 2...

nemo.

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Daniel,

'LD' is the gnu linker. The reason for your stream of errors is that 
code which calls libpangoft2 was compiled and then attempted to be 
linked, but the linker couldn't find the library this is probably because:

a) When you originally compiled pango, it didn't recognize freetype and 
didn't compile the libpangoft2 library. A quick way to check for this is 
to become root and type "ldconfig -v | less". Look through the resulting 
output for libpangoft2. Not there? Go back to pango and make sure that 
everything in pango is really compiling.

b) libpangoft2 did compile, and you have verified this by step (a). The 
probable culprit now is that somehow, the compiler didn't get passed the 
"-lpangoft2" option when it should have. Since I haven't yet built the 
most recent ggv, I can only conjecture as to the problem:

    - ggv's makefiles / ./configure are broken, and don't properly find 
pango.
    - pkgconfig is somehow not finding 
/lib/pkgconfig/pangoft2.pc,
      and therefore `pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0` isn't supplying the
      -lpangoft2 switch as it's supposed to

Hope this helps,

Idan



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>when i try to compile ggv in gnome-fifth-toe i get the following error:
>
>
>-rpath -Wl,/home/paessler/garnome/lib
>/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
>`FT_Stream_GetShort'
>/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
>`FT_Stream_ExitFrame'
>/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
>`FT_Stream_GetLong'
>/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
>`FT_Stream_Seek'
>/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
>`FT_Get_Next_Char'
>/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
>`FT_Stream_EnterFrame'
>/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
>`FT_Get_First_Char'
>collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
>
>  
>


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first, thank you for your explanation...i checked this and now
i am _very_ confused, look why:
btw. the directory /opt/gnome2 is a symlink to ~/garnome, so that
shouldn't confuse you

root@iphigenie:/ > ldconfig -v | grep libpangoft2
	
	libpangoft2-1.0.so.0 -> libpangoft2-1.0.so.0.0.4

this one is in my garnome directory...so going on:

root@iphigenie:/ > pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0
 -L/home/paessler/garnome/lib -lgtk-x11-2.0 -lgdk-x11-2.0
-lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lm -lpangoxft-1.0 -lpangox-1.0 -lpango-1.0 -latk-1.0
-lgobject-2.0 -lgmodule-2.0 -ldl -lglib-2.0  

as you can see, no libpangoft2, but why?

root@iphigenie:/ > pkg-config --libs pangoft2
 -L/home/paessler/garnome/lib -lpangoft2-1.0 -lpango-1.0 -lgobject-2.0
-lgmodule-2.0 -ldl -lglib-2.0  

it is there, really! and the .pc file also is where it should be:

root@iphigenie:/ > ls /opt/gnome2/lib/pkgconfig/pan*
/opt/gnome2/lib/pkgconfig/pango.pc    
/opt/gnome2/lib/pkgconfig/pangox.pc
/opt/gnome2/lib/pkgconfig/pangoft2.pc 
/opt/gnome2/lib/pkgconfig/pangoxft.pc

and at last:

root@iphigenie:/ > export |grep PKG_
declare -x PKG_CONFIG_PATH="/opt/gnome2/lib/pkgconfig"



Am Son, 2002-09-01 um 18.43 schrieb Idan Gazit:
> Daniel,
> 
> 'LD' is the gnu linker. The reason for your stream of errors is that 
> code which calls libpangoft2 was compiled and then attempted to be 
> linked, but the linker couldn't find the library this is probably because:
> 
> a) When you originally compiled pango, it didn't recognize freetype and 
> didn't compile the libpangoft2 library. A quick way to check for this is 
> to become root and type "ldconfig -v | less". Look through the resulting 
> output for libpangoft2. Not there? Go back to pango and make sure that 
> everything in pango is really compiling.
> 
> b) libpangoft2 did compile, and you have verified this by step (a). The 
> probable culprit now is that somehow, the compiler didn't get passed the 
> "-lpangoft2" option when it should have. Since I haven't yet built the 
> most recent ggv, I can only conjecture as to the problem:
> 
>     - ggv's makefiles / ./configure are broken, and don't properly find 
> pango.
>     - pkgconfig is somehow not finding 
> /lib/pkgconfig/pangoft2.pc,
>       and therefore `pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0` isn't supplying the
>       -lpangoft2 switch as it's supposed to
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> Idan
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Daniel Paessler wrote:
> 
> >when i try to compile ggv in gnome-fifth-toe i get the following error:
> >
> >
> >-rpath -Wl,/home/paessler/garnome/lib
> >/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
> >`FT_Stream_GetShort'
> >/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
> >`FT_Stream_ExitFrame'
> >/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
> >`FT_Stream_GetLong'
> >/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
> >`FT_Stream_Seek'
> >/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
> >`FT_Get_Next_Char'
> >/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
> >`FT_Stream_EnterFrame'
> >/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
> >`FT_Get_First_Char'
> >collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
> >
> >  
> >
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Have you got it working already?

I have it working here, the Mandrake-way I believe :-)
But it is a while ago I set this up, so I would need to dig into it
again as well.

But I can do the digging if you still need it.

-A.

su, 01-09-2002 kello 11:37, Jason Trickett kirjoitti:
>=20
>=20
> Jeff Waugh wrote:
>=20
> >
> >
> > =20
> >
> >>Thanks for answering! I looked in /etc/init.d/ and there was not a file
> >>named gdm to edit on my system (mandrake 8.1).
> >>   =20
> >>
> >
> >Okay, as a warning, Mandrake does some really odd stuff with its X and *=
DM
> >startup scripts...
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> > =20
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> >>Anyhoo, in /etc/X11/prefdm i noticed some code that looks like this:
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> >
> > =20
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> >>if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/desktop ]; then
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> >
> > =20
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> >>Could I edit 'preferred-gdm' to 'preferred=3D/home/jason/garnome/gdm' ?
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> >>
> >
> >No, it sounds like you want to edit environment variables set in
> >/etc/sysconfig/desktop. Or, you could just change /etc/inittab, but I'd
> >recommend attempting to do it 'The Mandrake Way' to begin with.
> >
> >- Jeff
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> Wow, this is getting weird! The only contents in my=20
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> Isn't this where my default desktop choice is stored? Also, in=20
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Daniel,

I looked into the ggv configure script and dug out the actual libraries 
it asks for:

~$ pkg-config --libs "libgnomeui-2.0 >= 1.96.0"

somewhere in the list this produces should be -lpangoft2-1.0. My 
apologies for the earlier mistake, it isn't "gtk+-2.0" that's checked in 
ggv's configure.

So, the root of the issue remains -- somewhere in your configure script 
there should be a "-lpangoft2-1.0 detected.

Try the following:

1) rm -rf your ggv dir
2) unpack a clean tarball
3) cd to it and:

./configure --enable-platform-gnome-2 --with-x --prefix=

Look at the scrolling text. At some point (this is usually accompanied 
by a sudden jump in text, because it is a sudden whole lot of text) 
there should be a listing of includes and libraries:

...
Checking GGV_CFLAGS -I ... -I ... -I ... 
Checking GGV_LIBS -l... -l... -l... 
...

Somewhere in GGV_LIBS there should be a -lpangoft2-1.0, if there isn't, 
then something is screwed up with your pkg-config after all. If there 
is, go on to compile it, and I don't think you should have the same 
problem you had before.

-Idan


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Hi,

Just downloaded, compiled and installed Garnome 0.14.0 after a long 
break from the 0.13.0

Unfortunately, my keyboard still does not repeat characters in the 
terminal or anywhere. I can just type one character at a time if I press 
a key and to repeat the character, I have to press the key again unlike 
usually when you just keep the key pressed to repeat the characters .

The themes metal, redmond do not work !! just as they did not work in 
the 0.13.0 but, did in 0.12.0

My battery applet still does not show up in the top Main menu panel. 
Altough, I can see it as an entry in the GConf-Editor. Now, If I cannot 
enjoy it, If somebody could tell me how to remove this invisible applet 
from the Main Menu panel.

Which is the file/directory in a users home directory which contains 
details/descriptions about all the applets added to all the panels on 
screen?


************ Suggestion ************

Is there any way I can use IceWM window manager with Garnome? I just 
like it a lot for it's numerous cool features and have been using it 
with Gnome 1.4 for a long time now.

Wow, Looks like we finally have the Favourites sub-menu in the main 
Garnome Menu. Now, if only we could have an option in the right-click 
pop-up menu of each item in the Menu as "Add to Favourites" and that 
particular item would be added to the Favourites sub-menu.

**************************************

Thanks in advance,
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begin  Jeff Waugh  quotation:
> What I'm thinking of doing is noting these in the garball Makefiles,
> then building a set of reference pages from those.
> 
> I have to upgrade to upstream GAR anyway, so I'll look at it again
> some time this week.

	It's probably worth doing anyway, as it has fixed some
potential gotchas with the way certain rules were laid out.

	See bugs 76 and 77 in the BBC BTS:

http://bugs.lnx-bbc.org/bugs/db/76/76.html
http://bugs.lnx-bbc.org/bugs/db/77/77.html

-- 
Jack Valenti is to the American film viewer and the American public
as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. 
      -- http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm    (search for "Boston")

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Ok, lets see how I did this. Keep in mind I might not have gotten
everuthing the Mandrake-way, but it works for me.

Runlevel 5 starts /etc/X11/prefdm which reads /etc/sysconfig/desktop.
This config file tells prefdm the display-manager you would like to use.
I needed to modify prefdm in order for it to accept a new option (gdm2)
in the 'desktop'-file.

This is the diff for prefdm :

--- prefdm.rpmnew	Fri Mar 15 17:46:41 2002
+++ prefdm	Tue May  7 22:57:51 2002
@@ -41,6 +41,8 @@
 	[ -z "$DISPLAYMANAGER" ] && DISPLAYMANAGER=3D$DESKTOP
 	if [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "GDM" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "gdm" -o
"$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "GNOME" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "gnome" -o
"$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "Gnome" ]; then
 		preferred=3Dgdm
+	elif [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "GDM2" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "gdm2" -o
"$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "GNOME2" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "gnome2" -o
"$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "Gnome2" ]; then
+		preferred=3D/opt/garnome/bin/start-gdm
 	elif [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "KDM" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "kdm" -o
"$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "KDE" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "kde" ]; then
 		preferred=3Dkdm
 	elif [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "XDM" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "xdm" ] ; the=
n


As you can see a variable 'preferred' is used for launching the
display-manager in the end of the script. I need to set the full path to
a start-gdm script, because my gnome2 installation is not in the default
path.

I didn't call gdm directly because I did want to have anti-aliasing and
so on. So I created the following script called 'gdm-start'

#!/bin/sh
export PATH=3D/opt/garnome/bin:/opt/garnome/sbin:$PATH
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=3D/opt/garnome/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
export GDK_USE_XFT=3D1
exec /opt/garnome/bin/gdm -nodeamon

As you can see it start gdm. Now you are almost fully operational. But
off course you want to have gdm list all sessions Mandrake knows about.
For this I modified the gdm configuration (for me in
/opt/garnome/etc/gdm/gdm.conf) to point to the normal session
directories.

Here the config lines I changed :

[daemon]
PostSessionScriptDir=3D/etc/X11/gdm/PostSession/
PreSessionScriptDir=3D/etc/X11/gdm/PreSession/
SessionDir=3D/etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/

(I am not sure if more changes were need like rootpath etc.)
Next step is to make Gnome2 show up as an option in the session-list

For this I first add a file called 'Gnome2' to /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/
with the following content :

#!/bin/sh
exec /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession Gnome2


This is the same way other sessions are started, and luckily no
modification are needed to the Xsession-script as is actually expected
to easily add new Sessions.
This script uses a script called /usr/sbin/chksession to do the session
specific startup. This script looks in /etc/X11/wmsession.d.
In this 'wmsession.d' directory I add a file called '01Gnome2'. You can
give it another number if you like, but have it at number one makes it
the default session.
The '01Gnome2' file looks like this:

NAME=3DGnome2
ICON=3Dgnome-logo-icon-transparent.xpm
DESC=3DGnome2 Environment
EXEC=3D/usr/bin/startgnome2
SCRIPT:
exec /usr/bin/startgnome2


As you see it starts Gnome2 through a 'startgnome2' script. I didn't
create this script anew, instead I just copied the orginal 'startgnome'
script and made some modifications to it.
Here a diff of the modifications :

@@ -45,4 +45,8 @@
   echo $MDKVERSION > $HOME/.gnome/mdkversion
 fi
=20
-exec /usr/bin/gnome-session
+export PATH=3D/opt/garnome/bin:/opt/garnome/sbin:$PATH
+export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=3D/opt/garnome/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH=20
+export GDK_USE_XFT=3D1
+
+exec /opt/garnome/bin/gnome-session


As you can see it starts gnome-session and sets the correct
env-variables so I do have smooth anti-aliasing and so.

After all this you should have a nice anti-aliased gdm2 listing a gnome2
session, which also starts with anti-aliasing enabled.

Have fun,

-A.

ma, 02-09-2002 kello 00:55, Jason Trickett kirjoitti:
> Hi. I still haven't got it working yet. I would be great if you could
> walk me thru it "the Mandrake way".=20
>=20
> - J
>=20
>=20
> On Sun, 2002-09-01 at 15:56, Aschwin van der Woude wrote:
>=20
>     Have you got it working already?
>    =20
>     I have it working here, the Mandrake-way I believe :-)
>     But it is a while ago I set this up, so I would need to dig into it
>     again as well.
>    =20
>     But I can do the digging if you still need it.
>    =20
>     -A.
>    =20
>     su, 01-09-2002 kello 11:37, Jason Trickett kirjoitti:
>     >=20
>     >=20
>     > Jeff Waugh wrote:
>     >=20
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > =20
>     > >
>     > >>Thanks for answering! I looked in /etc/init.d/ and there was not =
a file
>     > >>named gdm to edit on my system (mandrake 8.1).
>     > >>   =20
>     > >>
>     > >
>     > >Okay, as a warning, Mandrake does some really odd stuff with its X=
 and *DM
>     > >startup scripts...
>     > >
>     > > =20
>     > >
>     > >>Anyhoo, in /etc/X11/prefdm i noticed some code that looks like th=
is:
>     > >>   =20
>     > >>
>     > >
>     > > =20
>     > >
>     > >>if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/desktop ]; then
>     > >>   =20
>     > >>
>     > >
>     > > =20
>     > >
>     > >>Could I edit 'preferred-gdm' to 'preferred=3D/home/jason/garnome/=
gdm' ?
>     > >>   =20
>     > >>
>     > >
>     > >No, it sounds like you want to edit environment variables set in
>     > >/etc/sysconfig/desktop. Or, you could just change /etc/inittab, bu=
t I'd
>     > >recommend attempting to do it 'The Mandrake Way' to begin with.
>     > >
>     > >- Jeff
>     > >
>     > Wow, this is getting weird! The only contents in my=20
>     > /etc/sysconfig/desktop file is:
>     >=20
>     > DESKTOP=3D"Gnome"
>     >=20
>     > Isn't this where my default desktop choice is stored? Also, in=20
>     > /etc/inittab the last few lines are:
>     >=20
>     > # Run xdm in runlevel 5
>     > # xdm is now a separate service
>     > x:5:respawn:/etc/X11/prefdm -nodaemon
>     >=20
>     > Isn't this just pointing back to the 'prefdm' file I mentioned befo=
re?=20
>     > All this jumping around is making my head spin
>     >=20
>     > :)
>     >=20
>     > - Jason
>     >=20
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Hey Aschwin! Thanks a lot for the effort you put in to your reply! It
indeed looked like a lot of digging ;)
I'm going to be attempting this later today. I have one question,
though, about the /usr/bin/startgnome2 script I will be creating. Should
I be just adding the lines ...

    exec /usr/bin/gnome-session
    export PATH=/opt/garnome/bin:/opt/garnome/sbin:$PATH
    export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/garnome/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH 
    export GDK_USE_XFT=1
    exec /opt/garnome/bin/gnome-session

... to my startgnome file at the end, then saving it as startgnome2
(changing /opt to /home/jason)? I'm not as experienced at this kind of
thing yet, so it wasn't obvious to me.

Hope to hear back!

- Jason


On Mon, 2002-09-02 at 02:42, Aschwin van der Woude wrote:

    Ok, lets see how I did this. Keep in mind I might not have gotten
    everuthing the Mandrake-way, but it works for me.
    
    Runlevel 5 starts /etc/X11/prefdm which reads /etc/sysconfig/desktop.
    This config file tells prefdm the display-manager you would like to use.
    I needed to modify prefdm in order for it to accept a new option (gdm2)
    in the 'desktop'-file.
    
    This is the diff for prefdm :
    
    --- prefdm.rpmnew	Fri Mar 15 17:46:41 2002
    +++ prefdm	Tue May  7 22:57:51 2002
    @@ -41,6 +41,8 @@
     	[ -z "$DISPLAYMANAGER" ] && DISPLAYMANAGER=$DESKTOP
     	if [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "GDM" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "gdm" -o
    "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "GNOME" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "gnome" -o
    "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "Gnome" ]; then
     		preferred=gdm
    +	elif [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "GDM2" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "gdm2" -o
    "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "GNOME2" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "gnome2" -o
    "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "Gnome2" ]; then
    +		preferred=/opt/garnome/bin/start-gdm
     	elif [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "KDM" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "kdm" -o
    "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "KDE" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "kde" ]; then
     		preferred=kdm
     	elif [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "XDM" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "xdm" ] ; then
    
    
    As you can see a variable 'preferred' is used for launching the
    display-manager in the end of the script. I need to set the full path to
    a start-gdm script, because my gnome2 installation is not in the default
    path.
    
    I didn't call gdm directly because I did want to have anti-aliasing and
    so on. So I created the following script called 'gdm-start'
    
    #!/bin/sh
    export PATH=/opt/garnome/bin:/opt/garnome/sbin:$PATH
    export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/garnome/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
    export GDK_USE_XFT=1
    exec /opt/garnome/bin/gdm -nodeamon
    
    As you can see it start gdm. Now you are almost fully operational. But
    off course you want to have gdm list all sessions Mandrake knows about.
    For this I modified the gdm configuration (for me in
    /opt/garnome/etc/gdm/gdm.conf) to point to the normal session
    directories.
    
    Here the config lines I changed :
    
    [daemon]
    PostSessionScriptDir=/etc/X11/gdm/PostSession/
    PreSessionScriptDir=/etc/X11/gdm/PreSession/
    SessionDir=/etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/
    
    (I am not sure if more changes were need like rootpath etc.)
    Next step is to make Gnome2 show up as an option in the session-list
    
    For this I first add a file called 'Gnome2' to /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/
    with the following content :
    
    #!/bin/sh
    exec /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession Gnome2
    
    
    This is the same way other sessions are started, and luckily no
    modification are needed to the Xsession-script as is actually expected
    to easily add new Sessions.
    This script uses a script called /usr/sbin/chksession to do the session
    specific startup. This script looks in /etc/X11/wmsession.d.
    In this 'wmsession.d' directory I add a file called '01Gnome2'. You can
    give it another number if you like, but have it at number one makes it
    the default session.
    The '01Gnome2' file looks like this:
    
    NAME=Gnome2
    ICON=gnome-logo-icon-transparent.xpm
    DESC=Gnome2 Environment
    EXEC=/usr/bin/startgnome2
    SCRIPT:
    exec /usr/bin/startgnome2
    
    
    As you see it starts Gnome2 through a 'startgnome2' script. I didn't
    create this script anew, instead I just copied the orginal 'startgnome'
    script and made some modifications to it.
    Here a diff of the modifications :
    
    @@ -45,4 +45,8 @@
       echo $MDKVERSION > $HOME/.gnome/mdkversion
     fi
     
    -exec /usr/bin/gnome-session
    +export PATH=/opt/garnome/bin:/opt/garnome/sbin:$PATH
    +export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/garnome/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH 
    +export GDK_USE_XFT=1
    +
    +exec /opt/garnome/bin/gnome-session
    
    
    As you can see it starts gnome-session and sets the correct
    env-variables so I do have smooth anti-aliasing and so.
    
    After all this you should have a nice anti-aliased gdm2 listing a gnome2
    session, which also starts with anti-aliasing enabled.
    
    Have fun,
    
    -A.
    

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Hey Aschwin! Thanks a lot for the effort you put in to your reply! It indeed looked like a lot of digging ;)


I'm going to be attempting this later today. I have one question, though, about the /usr/bin/startgnome2 script I will be creating. Should I be just adding the lines ...
    


exec /usr/bin/gnome-session
export PATH=/opt/garnome/bin:/opt/garnome/sbin:$PATH
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/garnome/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH 
export GDK_USE_XFT=1
exec /opt/garnome/bin/gnome-session

    

... to my startgnome file at the end, then saving it as startgnome2 (changing /opt to /home/jason)? I'm not as experienced at this kind of thing yet, so it wasn't obvious to me.





Hope to hear back!





- Jason








On Mon, 2002-09-02 at 02:42, Aschwin van der Woude wrote:
    


Ok, lets see how I did this. Keep in mind I might not have gotten
everuthing the Mandrake-way, but it works for me.

Runlevel 5 starts /etc/X11/prefdm which reads /etc/sysconfig/desktop.
This config file tells prefdm the display-manager you would like to use.
I needed to modify prefdm in order for it to accept a new option (gdm2)
in the 'desktop'-file.

This is the diff for prefdm :

--- prefdm.rpmnew	Fri Mar 15 17:46:41 2002
+++ prefdm	Tue May  7 22:57:51 2002
@@ -41,6 +41,8 @@
 	[ -z "$DISPLAYMANAGER" ] && DISPLAYMANAGER=$DESKTOP
 	if [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "GDM" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "gdm" -o
"$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "GNOME" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "gnome" -o
"$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "Gnome" ]; then
 		preferred=gdm
+	elif [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "GDM2" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "gdm2" -o
"$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "GNOME2" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "gnome2" -o
"$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "Gnome2" ]; then
+		preferred=/opt/garnome/bin/start-gdm
 	elif [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "KDM" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "kdm" -o
"$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "KDE" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "kde" ]; then
 		preferred=kdm
 	elif [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "XDM" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "xdm" ] ; then


As you can see a variable 'preferred' is used for launching the
display-manager in the end of the script. I need to set the full path to
a start-gdm script, because my gnome2 installation is not in the default
path.

I didn't call gdm directly because I did want to have anti-aliasing and
so on. So I created the following script called 'gdm-start'

#!/bin/sh
export PATH=/opt/garnome/bin:/opt/garnome/sbin:$PATH
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/garnome/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
export GDK_USE_XFT=1
exec /opt/garnome/bin/gdm -nodeamon

As you can see it start gdm. Now you are almost fully operational. But
off course you want to have gdm list all sessions Mandrake knows about.
For this I modified the gdm configuration (for me in
/opt/garnome/etc/gdm/gdm.conf) to point to the normal session
directories.

Here the config lines I changed :

[daemon]
PostSessionScriptDir=/etc/X11/gdm/PostSession/
PreSessionScriptDir=/etc/X11/gdm/PreSession/
SessionDir=/etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/

(I am not sure if more changes were need like rootpath etc.)
Next step is to make Gnome2 show up as an option in the session-list

For this I first add a file called 'Gnome2' to /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/
with the following content :

#!/bin/sh
exec /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession Gnome2


This is the same way other sessions are started, and luckily no
modification are needed to the Xsession-script as is actually expected
to easily add new Sessions.
This script uses a script called /usr/sbin/chksession to do the session
specific startup. This script looks in /etc/X11/wmsession.d.
In this 'wmsession.d' directory I add a file called '01Gnome2'. You can
give it another number if you like, but have it at number one makes it
the default session.
The '01Gnome2' file looks like this:

NAME=Gnome2
ICON=gnome-logo-icon-transparent.xpm
DESC=Gnome2 Environment
EXEC=/usr/bin/startgnome2
SCRIPT:
exec /usr/bin/startgnome2


As you see it starts Gnome2 through a 'startgnome2' script. I didn't
create this script anew, instead I just copied the orginal 'startgnome'
script and made some modifications to it.
Here a diff of the modifications :

@@ -45,4 +45,8 @@
   echo $MDKVERSION > $HOME/.gnome/mdkversion
 fi
 
-exec /usr/bin/gnome-session
+export PATH=/opt/garnome/bin:/opt/garnome/sbin:$PATH
+export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/garnome/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH 
+export GDK_USE_XFT=1
+
+exec /opt/garnome/bin/gnome-session


As you can see it starts gnome-session and sets the correct
env-variables so I do have smooth anti-aliasing and so.

After all this you should have a nice anti-aliased gdm2 listing a gnome2
session, which also starts with anti-aliasing enabled.

Have fun,

-A.


    




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> Hey Aschwin! Thanks a lot for the effort you put in to your reply! It
> indeed looked like a lot of digging ;)

No problem. No I am assured again I did the Mandrake way as much as I
can.

> I'm going to be attempting this later today. I have one question,
> though, about the /usr/bin/startgnome2 script I will be creating. Should
> I be just adding the lines ...
>=20
>     exec /usr/bin/gnome-session
>     export PATH=3D/opt/garnome/bin:/opt/garnome/sbin:$PATH
>     export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=3D/opt/garnome/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH=20
>     export GDK_USE_XFT=3D1
>     exec /opt/garnome/bin/gnome-session
>=20
> ... to my startgnome file at the end, then saving it as startgnome2
> (changing /opt to /home/jason)? I'm not as experienced at this kind of
> thing yet, so it wasn't obvious to me.

Place it in the end, instead of the beginning.

You can also feed those diff's to patch, but perhaps a manual edit is
easier.

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Hi,

Just downloaded, compiled and installed Garnome 0.14.0 after a long 
break from the 0.13.0

Unfortunately, my keyboard still does not repeat characters in the 
terminal or anywhere. I can just type one character at a time if I press 
a key and to repeat the character, I have to press the key again unlike 
usually when you just keep the key pressed to repeat the characters .

The themes metal, redmond do not work !! just as they did not work in 
the 0.13.0 but, did in 0.12.0

My battery applet still does not show up in the top Main menu panel. 
Altough, I can see it as an entry in the GConf-Editor. Now, If I cannot 
enjoy it, If somebody could tell me how to remove this invisible applet 
from the Main Menu panel.

Which is the file/directory in a users home directory which contains 
details/descriptions about all the applets added to all the panels on 
screen?


************ Suggestion ************

Is there any way I can use IceWM window manager with Garnome? I just 
like it a lot for it's numerous cool features and have been using it 
with Gnome 1.4 for a long time now.

Wow, Looks like we finally have the Favourites sub-menu in the main 
Garnome Menu. Now, if only we could have an option in the right-click 
pop-up menu of each item in the Menu as "Add to Favourites" and that 
particular item would be added to the Favourites sub-menu.

**************************************

Thanks in advance,
Sandeep

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Hey everybody,

I've been working with gcc 2.95.3 since, well, since I compiled my distro.

I'm curious to hear what people have to say about gcc 3.2 and "the 
switch" -- are there problem compiling different things with gcc 3.2? 
Any inherent problems with the 3.x series? Bottom line, should I switch?

Apparently gcc 2.95.3 + -mcpu=i686 causes problems (at least, it makes 
gcc segfault while compiling libvorbis, and apparently isn't a good 
mix). But my garnome seems to be OK...

Just curious to find out before I garnome again :)

-Idan


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Garnome seems to work fine when compiled with gcc 3.x, I use 3.1 myself.
Problems will arise when you compile c++-programs which use libraries
compiled with an earlier version of gcc. There were even some c++ ABI
changes from 3.1 to 3.2.
But gnome is written in C so this won't cause any problems.

-A.

ma, 02-09-2002 kello 20:42, Idan Gazit kirjoitti:
> Hey everybody,
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Hi,

I think this has something to do with the problem of not being able to 
have themes working in Garnome 0.14.x

Window manager warning: Failed to read theme from file 
/home/sandeepk/garnome/share/themes/Metal/metacity-1/metacity-theme-1.xml: 
Failed to open file 
'/home/sandeepk/garnome/share/themes/Metal/metacity-1/metacity-theme-1.xml': 
No such file or directory

Thanks in advance,
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On Mon, 2002-09-02 at 22:28, Sandeep Khanna wrote:

> Window manager warning: Failed to read theme from file 
> /home/sandeepk/garnome/share/themes/Metal/metacity-1/metacity-theme-1.xml: 
> Failed to open file 
> '/home/sandeepk/garnome/share/themes/Metal/metacity-1/metacity-theme-1.xml': 
> No such file or directory

There seems to have been a change in metacity theme structure:

cd Metal
mkdir metacity-1
mv * metacity-1

Now the dir structure is right. Then do

metacity-theme-viewer Metal

IIRC it will tell you something about 'window type="border"' not being
set in Metal/metacity-1/metacity-theme-1.xml not being set. Add what it
says you should (IIRC adding 
should do it [there is a bunch of other window type="border" tags in the
file, just add it])
Now, 'metacity-theme-viewer Metal' should work. If so, you can use the
theme







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Hello,

I've been using garnome eversince and not seen this problem until
0.14.1. After building, the gnome2 menus isn't showing up?
(Applications) Is this a known bug?. Im using RH7.3

Thanks for any info

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> I've been using garnome eversince and not seen this problem until
> 0.14.1. After building, the gnome2 menus isn't showing up?
> (Applications) Is this a known bug?. Im using RH7.3

Please read the GARNOME release notes - yes, it is a known bug.

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Hi,

making "make install" with gcc-3.2 in .../ a lot of errors like:

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-I/usr/local/include -I/root/garnome/include -O2 -pipe -g
-I/root/garnome/include -O2 -pipe -g -I/root/garnome/include -c
gstaasink.c -MT libgstaasink_la-gstaasink.lo -MD -MP -MF
.deps/libgstaasink_la-gstaasink.TPlo  -fPIC -DPIC -o
libgstaasink_la-gstaasink.lo
cc1: changing search order for system directory "/usr/local/include"
cc1:   as it has already been specified as a non-system directory
make[3]: *** [libgstaasink_la-gstaasink.lo] Error 1

If the -Werror option is removed from the corresponding Makefile, make
continues. But it would be better to remove the -I/usr/local/include
option at a central place. 

	With best regards
		Juergen



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Hi,

I forget to enter the correct path in my last mail. Therefore once more

making "make install" with gcc-3.2 in 
.../garnome-0.14.1/meta/gnome-fifth-toe gives a lot of errors like:

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libgstaasink_la-gstaasink.lo
cc1: changing search order for system directory "/usr/local/include"
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make[3]: *** [libgstaasink_la-gstaasink.lo] Error 1

If the -Werror option is removed from the corresponding Makefile, make
continues. But it would be better to remove the -I/usr/local/include
option at a central place. 

        With best regards
                Juergen



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Reverting back to the previous version of gnome-vfs (2.0.2) will solve
it.

ti, 03-09-2002 kello 11:06, Warren Mira kirjoitti:
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> 0.14.1. After building, the gnome2 menus isn't showing up?
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From Gilles.Roy@arc.com  Tue Sep  3 09:50:32 2002
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Hi,

I had a very similar problem. The configure script detected the freetype
that was already installed on my system (2.0.5), instead of the one that
Garnome downloads and builds for you. The way I solved it was to modify the
Garnome Makefile under the freetype folder to make it download freetype
2.0.5. You could also manually install a more recent freetype version on
your system.

Gilles



                                                                                                                                            
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when i try to compile ggv in gnome-fifth-toe i get the following error:


-rpath -Wl,/home/paessler/garnome/lib
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Stream_GetShort'
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Stream_ExitFrame'
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Stream_GetLong'
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Stream_Seek'
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Get_Next_Char'
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Stream_EnterFrame'
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Get_First_Char'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[5]: *** [ggv] Error 1
make[5]: Leaving directory
`/usr/src/pakete/garnome-0.14.1/gnome/ggv/work/ggv-1.99.90/src'
make[4]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[4]: Leaving directory
`/usr/src/pakete/garnome-0.14.1/gnome/ggv/work/ggv-1.99.90/src'
make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory
`/usr/src/pakete/garnome-0.14.1/gnome/ggv/work/ggv-1.99.90'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/usr/src/pakete/garnome-0.14.1/gnome/ggv/work/ggv-1.99.90'
make[1]: *** [build-work/ggv-1.99.90/Makefile] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/pakete/garnome-0.14.1/gnome/ggv'
make: *** [dep-../../gnome/ggv] Error 2

pango is installed properly, so what is wrong?
any suggestions?

thanks

daniel


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From v1g1l@barrysworld.com  Tue Sep  3 19:12:36 2002
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Having installed from Garnome 0.14.1:

1. My Gnome2 apps are not seeing all my fonts. Gnome1 apps still see them all.
Also, for some reason, Opera seems to have been affected by this, even though it
uses Qt and not Gtk. That would suggest that it's an X problem not a Gnome one,
but Gnome1 apps see all the fonts, so it can't be an X problem.

2. Is there a global Gnome2 environment variable that I can set so I don't have
to specify the same thing when I run all apps? I will always want to run every
Gnome2 app with --oaf-private and --disable-factory since I don't use the Gnome
desktop enviroment, just the apps from Windowmaker.

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The settings-not-sticking problem has gone since I reinstalled from Garnome
0.14.1 :)

If I run apps with --oaf-private and --disable-factory, they start straight
away. No more waiting for that bonobo business to start.

Jeff Waugh had the audacity to claim:

>
>
>> I have asked the Gnome mailing list, Pan mailing list, and X newsgroup,
>> and the only feedback I had was that it might be a certain missing line in
>> a file installed by Gconf, but I checked and it was there. I even
>> reinstalled Gconf, and then uninstalled and installed a previous version
>> of it, but with no luck :(
>>
>> So to sum, the two problems I have are that the first Gnome thing that a
>> user starts takes 'ages' to appear, and that none of the settings in Gnome
>> apps stick.
>
>How did you install GARNOME? Did you set the paths and environment variables
>correctly, as described on the webpage?

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How can I disable this? Stop it bringing up Gnome help and instead pass F1 to
whatever I'm running in the term like any other function key? :/

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> 1. My Gnome2 apps are not seeing all my fonts. Gnome1 apps still see them all.
> Also, for some reason, Opera seems to have been affected by this, even though it
> uses Qt and not Gtk. That would suggest that it's an X problem not a Gnome one,
> but Gnome1 apps see all the fonts, so it can't be an X problem.

Sounds like an XFT issue -> make sure /etc/X11/XftConfig is correct.

> 2. Is there a global Gnome2 environment variable that I can set so I don't have
> to specify the same thing when I run all apps? I will always want to run every
> Gnome2 app with --oaf-private and --disable-factory since I don't use the Gnome
> desktop enviroment, just the apps from Windowmaker.

Hrm, OAF is no longer part of GNOME 2, and --disable-factory is just a GNOME
Terminal thing (which makes loading new terminals faster, so you don't want
to turn it off)...

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I have tried using the GDM login and luckily all the gnome2 menus
re-appeared.. =)

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If i use the current release of garnome to install gnome 2, is it hard to 
update the packages that are installed after, when there are new releases 
and how would i be goin about this?

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Hi. I imagine that this has been discussed before, so forgive this repeat
question. I just installed garnome-0.14.1 and my gnome2 menus are
missing. Please help!

Thanks.




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> Hi. I imagine that this has been discussed before, so forgive this repeat
> question. I just installed garnome-0.14.1 and my gnome2 menus are
> missing. Please help!

In the release notes, it mentions that there are issues with menus due to
Nautilus and gnome-vfs bugs. You were warned. :-)

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Greeting folks;

I just tried to build kde-3.0.3 with tis version of garnome, as it 
worked quite well to go from kde-3.0.0 to 3.0.2.

At the time of the 3.0.0 to 3.0.2 build I was running gcc-2.96-112.
Now I have built and installed gcc-3.2.

Now after several hours of downloads, it tries to get started on 
building arts, and bombs out during the configure while looking for 
the STL stuff, which is in the install dir I gave gcc-3.2 when I 
built it.  Its also a far cry pathwise from being in /usr/include.  
More like /usr/local/gcc3.2/i686-linux-pc/include/bits or some 
such.

How do I go about training the new gcc-3.2 to go find its own proper 
includes?

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> How do I go about training the new gcc-3.2 to go find its own proper 
> includes?

Possibly a question better posed to GCC people. :-)

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Hello,

I am using GARNOME 0.14.0 with Solaris 8 on an ultrasparc 10.  I am 
using gcc-3.2 with the Solaris linker and assembler (/usr/ccs/bin/ld, 
/usr/ccs/bin/as).

The --disable-shared option that is enabled by default in the GARNOME 
build of GNOME 2.0.1 seems to cause some undefined symbols errors at 
link time, for instance, in the gtk+-2.0.6 package, gtk_minor_version, 
gtk_major_version, and gtk_micro_version.

Has anyone out there used GARNOME much on Solaris 8 w/gcc-3.x and if so, 
could you point me towards whatever configuration options I may need to 
alter or add in order to make my build work?

Thanks in advance for any assistance anyone can render.



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> I am using GARNOME 0.14.0 with Solaris 8 on an ultrasparc 10.  I am 
> using gcc-3.2 with the Solaris linker and assembler (/usr/ccs/bin/ld, 
> /usr/ccs/bin/as).

Rock! Been looking for more Solaris testers, thanks!

> The --disable-shared option that is enabled by default in the GARNOME 
> build of GNOME 2.0.1 seems to cause some undefined symbols errors at 
> link time, for instance, in the gtk+-2.0.6 package, gtk_minor_version, 
> gtk_major_version, and gtk_micro_version.

--disable-static, rather? :-)

I've just checked with Glynn, and he reckons that Sun are doing their builds
with it on, so that shouldn't be it, but they are building with forte.
Perhaps it's having issues with gcc-3.2 and the Solaris linker/assemblers?

> Has anyone out there used GARNOME much on Solaris 8 w/gcc-3.x and if so, 
> could you point me towards whatever configuration options I may need to 
> alter or add in order to make my build work?
> 
> Thanks in advance for any assistance anyone can render.

Definitely chat to some of the Sun guys, particularly Laszlo
; I'll try and help as much as I can.

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On Wednesday 04 September 2002 12:16, Jeff Waugh wrote:
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>
>> How do I go about training the new gcc-3.2 to go find its own
>> proper includes?
>
>Possibly a question better posed to GCC people. :-)

Possibly.  OTOH, its been working to build everything I've thrown at 
it for the last 2 weeks since I built it rather flawlessly.

garnome, trying to build kde-3.0.3 is the second failure message I 
wasn't able to fix, the first one being that I have 4 copies of 
libqt-mt.so.0.0.4 (and links) on this system, but some ./configure 
scripts can't find them even with a full path declared in the 
--with-qt-lib= option.  mosfet-liquid-0.9.5 is one of those.

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On Wednesday 04 September 2002 12:41, Gene Heskett wrote:
>On Wednesday 04 September 2002 12:16, Jeff Waugh wrote:
>>
>>
>>> How do I go about training the new gcc-3.2 to go find its own
>>> proper includes?
>>
>>Possibly a question better posed to GCC people. :-)
>
>Possibly.  OTOH, its been working to build everything I've thrown
> at it for the last 2 weeks since I built it rather flawlessly.
>
>garnome, trying to build kde-3.0.3 is the second failure message I
>wasn't able to fix, the first one being that I have 4 copies of
>libqt-mt.so.0.0.4 (and links) on this system, but some ./configure

Ancient damned fingers, they don't type what I think.  That should 
be 'libqt-mt.so.3.0.4' and links.  Big difference.

>scripts can't find them even with a full path declared in the
>--with-qt-lib= option.  mosfet-liquid-0.9.5 is one of those.

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Hello,

I have installed 0.14.1 in my debian box.
I have seen in the changelog that there is some
red hat artwork installed with that...

Whereis that? iIs it in the form of a theme?
Where can I found it?

Garnome rules !

Thanks guys
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> I have installed 0.14.1 in my debian box.
> I have seen in the changelog that there is some
> red hat artwork installed with that...

In misc/redhat-artwork/ - build it like everything else.

Beware that the current one depends on kdebase (as it includes kwin and qt
themes). In CVS GARNOME (and the next released version), I've included a
patch that will turn off all the KDE stuff.

> Whereis that? iIs it in the form of a theme?

There are themes for:

  qt
  kwin
  kde colours
  gtk+ 1.x
  gtk+ 2.x
  metacity
  nautilus
  gdm (i think)

Lots of good stuff, looks great. Comes straight out of the (null) source
rpm, too.

> Garnome rules !

Thanks. :-)

- Jeff

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Hi,

I have redhat 7.3 and I am using garnome 0.14.1.  I've tried to build
redhat-artwork like everything else but it failed with:

bluecurve.cpp:1755: `abs' undeclared (first use this function)
bluecurve.cpp:1755: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once 
for each function it appears in.)
bluecurve.cpp:1737: warning: `int left' might be used uninitialized in
this function
bluecurve.cpp:1737: warning: `int right' might be used uninitialized in
this function
bluecurve.cpp:1737: warning: `int top' might be used uninitialized in
this function
bluecurve.cpp:1737: warning: `int bottom' might be used uninitialized in
this function
make[5]: *** [bluecurve.lo] Error 1
make[5]: Leaving directory
`/usr/local/src/garnome-0.14.1/misc/redhat-artwork/work/redhat-artwork-0.36/art/qt/Bluecurve'
make[4]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[4]: Leaving directory
`/usr/local/src/garnome-0.14.1/misc/redhat-artwork/work/redhat-artwork-0.36/art/qt'
make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory
`/usr/local/src/garnome-0.14.1/misc/redhat-artwork/work/redhat-artwork-0.36/art'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/usr/local/src/garnome-0.14.1/misc/redhat-artwork/work/redhat-artwork-0.36'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/usr/local/src/garnome-0.14.1/misc/redhat-artwork/work/redhat-artwork-0.36'
make: *** [build-work/redhat-artwork-0.36/Makefile] Error 2
[root@localhost redhat-artwork]# 


I installed redhat-logos-1.1.4-1 since redhat-artwork-0.36-1 lists it as
a depends.  I also have kde 3.0 installed.

Any idea as to what is wrong?

Thanks

Joe




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> I have redhat 7.3 and I am using garnome 0.14.1.  I've tried to build
> redhat-artwork like everything else but it failed with:

(random qt breakage snipped)

The next version of GARNOME will have the qt/kde stuff patched out for
redhat-artwork. No idea what's going on in your build.

> I installed redhat-logos-1.1.4-1 since redhat-artwork-0.36-1 lists it as
> a depends.  I also have kde 3.0 installed.

Dude, GARNOME is building redhat-artwork from source. It doesn't care about
fake rpm dependencies. :-)

- Jeff

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An update: it would seem that this error occurs due to the way these
variables (gtk_*_version) are declared in the GTK+ package.  They're
declared as constants, which are by default private to their translation
unit as far as GCC is concerned.

I'll take it up with the GTK list :-)

Thanks!

Larry

Larry McQueary wrote:

 > Hello,
 >
 > I am using GARNOME 0.14.0 with Solaris 8 on an ultrasparc 10.  I am
 > using gcc-3.2 with the Solaris linker and assembler (/usr/ccs/bin/ld,
 > /usr/ccs/bin/as).
 >
 > The --disable-shared option that is enabled by default in the GARNOME
 > build of GNOME 2.0.1 seems to cause some undefined symbols errors at
 > link time, for instance, in the gtk+-2.0.6 package, gtk_minor_version,
 > gtk_major_version, and gtk_micro_version.
 >
 > Has anyone out there used GARNOME much on Solaris 8 w/gcc-3.x and if
 > so, could you point me towards whatever configuration options I may
 > need to alter or add in order to make my build work?
 >
 > Thanks in advance for any assistance anyone can render.
 >
 >



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I'd love to compile garnome on my linux 2.4.18 system - I'm using the
encap package manager to install packages, so a custom compilation
would definitely help me finally get GNOME, since correcting trivial
autoconf problems on the 60 packages myself is going to take a long
time.  But it fails to build.

Basically,

  make -C garnome-0.14.1/meta/gnome-desktop/ prefix=/usr build

failed quickly, generating an error in pkgconfig:

  cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I. -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=g_log_domain_glib
   -DG_ENABLE_DEBUG -I/usr/include -I/usr/include -I/usr/include
   -I/usr/include -I/usr/include -I/usr/include -I/usr/include -O2 -pipe
   -g -I/usr/include -O2 -pipe -g -I/usr/include -O2 -pipe -g
   -I/usr/include -O2 -pipe -g -I/usr/include -O2 -pipe -g -I/usr/include
   -Wall -c gmain.c  -fPIC -DPIC
  cc1: warning: changing search order for system directory "/usr/include"
  cc1: warning:   as it has already been specified as a non-system directory
  gmain.c:191: `poll' undeclared here (not in a function)

Many more related warnings appear in the output here:

  http://www.deconfusion.org/tmp/garnome.txt

Because the libraries on my system are linked into /usr/lib, I
detected a problem in gnome/pkgconfig/work/pkgconfig-0.12.0/, on line
1746: /usr/bin/file needs to be changed to

  '/usr/bin/file -L'

for libtool to work properly.  After I made this change then did 'make
clean' in the work directory, the build still failed the same way, but
with no more warnings during configure:

  http://www.deconfusion.org/tmp/garnome2.txt

Any ideas on how to (a) fix my problem with includes and (b) properly
patch configure within the garnome system?  If there's any system info
I can provide that isn't covered in the output files, let me know.

Thanks, I'm new to this!
-Paul

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I've written a free program called distcc, which distributes the work
of compilation across several machines on a network.  It works well
with GARNOME, and (leaving aside downloads) can compile more than
twice as fast as plain gcc.

You can get it from 

   http://distcc.samba.org/

and I would be happy to hear how it works for you.

(please cc me on replies)

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> I've written a free program called distcc, which distributes the work of
> compilation across several machines on a network.  It works well with
> GARNOME, and (leaving aside downloads) can compile more than twice as fast
> as plain gcc.

Rock! So the bugs you found with libtool and such are all fixed?

I will have to get this on all my flatmates' computers. :-)

- Jeff

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On Wed, 2002-09-04 at 02:48, Vigil wrote:
> How can I disable this? Stop it bringing up Gnome help and instead pass F1 to
> whatever I'm running in the term like any other function key? :/

Change the keybinding. Edit -> Keybindings



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Aha! Thanks.

I would have thought that would be on the right-clicked context menu (I have the
menubar disabled).

Jens Bech Madsen had the audacity to claim:

>On Wed, 2002-09-04 at 02:48, Vigil wrote:
>> How can I disable this? Stop it bringing up Gnome help and instead pass F1 to
>> whatever I'm running in the term like any other function key? :/
>
>Change the keybinding. Edit -> Keybindings

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Hi,

Me again.  Still building on Solaris 8 w/gcc-3.2, and now I am using 
garnome-0.14.1.

Incidentally, I am compiling a list of the various things I have to 
twiddle to get the build to work, which I will happily post later for 
the archives, but here's a problem that's got me stumped:

in libgtop-2.0.0/src/daemon, my build fails after creating 
libgtop_daemon2 with the following error:

No rule to make target `libgtop_server', needed by `all-am'

Indeed, there don't appear to be any rules in Makefile for building this 
target, though it *is* at least mentioned in the Makefile.  There are 
also some rules for building libgtop_server2.  Anyone know the 
significance of this?

Somehow I can't imagine this would be a platform-specific issue, so 
surely someone else out there has run into it?  Awaiting your wisdom 
before I start hacking and slashing in the Makefile.

Thanks,
Larry


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Gene,

I'm considering a 3.2 build and would be interested in your list of
"snags" compiling garnome.

Are your troubles exclusively KDE? I won't be building KDE, but if
the gnome build process becomes laborious I may just pass on using
3.2.

By and large, do you recommend using gcc-3.2 as your compiler? I am
busy compiling a clean linux box and I need to decide which compiler
I will use as my basis. At the behest of some other kind soul on the
list, I am considering either 2.95.3 or 3.2 but not together, because
of the ABI changes to C++ compiles; it sounds like a real mess later
on when I forget which libraries were compiled with what. I guess
either programs will stop compiling or I'll start getting strange
segfaults all over the place, and neither sounds really appealing.

Thanks in advance!

Idan

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On Friday 06 September 2002 04:34, Idan Gazit wrote:
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>Gene,
>
>I'm considering a 3.2 build and would be interested in your list
> of "snags" compiling garnome.
>
>Are your troubles exclusively KDE? I won't be building KDE, but if
>the gnome build process becomes laborious I may just pass on using
>3.2.
>
>By and large, do you recommend using gcc-3.2 as your compiler? I
> am busy compiling a clean linux box and I need to decide which
> compiler I will use as my basis. At the behest of some other kind
> soul on the list, I am considering either 2.95.3 or 3.2 but not
> together, because of the ABI changes to C++ compiles; it sounds
> like a real mess later on when I forget which libraries were
> compiled with what. I guess either programs will stop compiling
> or I'll start getting strange segfaults all over the place, and
> neither sounds really appealing.
>
>Thanks in advance!
>
>Idan

My guess is that if it was all installed in the right places, which 
I don't think I have yet, it would work just fine.  Its built 
everything I threw at it so except kde-3.0.3 via garnome, and 
mosfet-liquid, both heavily c++ stuff that needs the 3.2 versions 
of the STL headers that aren't located in /usr/include here now.  
But based on what I've seen so far, I think I'll do a make clean in 
the build directory, and modify the makefile to go ahead and have 
it install itself in /usr.  That would make many of my problems go 
away I'm sure.

-- 
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On Friday 06 September 2002 10:45, Gene Heskett wrote:
>On Friday 06 September 2002 04:34, Idan Gazit wrote:
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>>Gene,
>>
>>I'm considering a 3.2 build and would be interested in your list
>> of "snags" compiling garnome.
>>
>>Are your troubles exclusively KDE? I won't be building KDE, but
>> if the gnome build process becomes laborious I may just pass on
>> using 3.2.
>>
>>By and large, do you recommend using gcc-3.2 as your compiler? I
>> am busy compiling a clean linux box and I need to decide which
>> compiler I will use as my basis. At the behest of some other
>> kind soul on the list, I am considering either 2.95.3 or 3.2 but
>> not together, because of the ABI changes to C++ compiles; it
>> sounds like a real mess later on when I forget which libraries
>> were compiled with what. I guess either programs will stop
>> compiling or I'll start getting strange segfaults all over the
>> place, and neither sounds really appealing.
>>
>>Thanks in advance!
>>
>>Idan
>
>My guess is that if it was all installed in the right places,
> which I don't think I have yet, it would work just fine.  Its
> built everything I threw at it so except kde-3.0.3 via garnome,
> and mosfet-liquid, both heavily c++ stuff that needs the 3.2
> versions of the STL headers that aren't located in /usr/include
> here now. But based on what I've seen so far, I think I'll do a
> make clean in the build directory, and modify the makefile to go
> ahead and have it install itself in /usr.  That would make many
> of my problems go away I'm sure.

Update, they didn't.  Got worse in fact.  I cleaned out the build 
dir for gcc3.2, reran the configure using all the defaults, make'd 
a bootstrap, check and install.  No difference, so I went after 
qt-3.0.5, but gave it a bunch of options since it defaults to a lot 
of them off.  Built it, no errors important enough to abort the 
build.

Now I can't even startx, and in garnome-0.14.1/meta/kde I get this 
for a make:
----------------
make[4]: Entering directory `/usr/src/garnome-0.14.1/kde/arts'
        [fetch] complete.  Finished rules: pre-everything download 
pre-fetch download/arts-1.0.3.tar.bz2 post-fetch
        [checksum] complete.  Finished rules: fetch cookies 
pre-checksum cookies/checksum-arts-1.0.3.tar.bz2 post-checksum
        [extract] complete.  Finished rules: checksum work cookies 
pre-extract cookies/extract-arts-1.0.3.tar.bz2 post-extract
        [patch] complete.  Finished rules: extract work/arts-1.0.3 
pre-patch post-patch
 ==> Building kde/qt-copy as a dependency
 ==> Building gnome/glib as a dependency
 ==> Running configure in work/arts-1.0.3
checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
checking target system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
checking for a BSD compatible install... /usr/bin/ginstall -c
checking for -p flag to install... yes
checking whether build environment is sane... yes
checking for mawk... mawk
checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... yes
checking for a BSD compatible install... /usr/bin/ginstall -c -p
checking for style of include used by make... GNU
checking for gcc... cc
checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C 
compiler cannot create executables
make[4]: *** [configure-work/arts-1.0.3/configure] Error 77
make[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/garnome-0.14.1/kde/arts'
make[3]: *** [dep-../../kde/arts] Error 2
make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/garnome-0.14.1/kde/kdelibs'
make[2]: *** [dep-../../kde/kdelibs] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/garnome-0.14.1/kde/kdebase'
make[1]: *** [dep-../../kde/kdebase] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/garnome-0.14.1/kde/kdeadmin'
make: *** [dep-../../kde/kdeadmin] Error 2
---------------------------

Reverting back to qt-3.0.4 as /usr/loca/lqt and startx works, 
running it now.

Ideas?

-- 
Cheers, Gene
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> Reverting back to qt-3.0.4 as /usr/loca/lqt and startx works,
> running it now.
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> Ideas?

Use binary packages of GCC for your distribution, whatever the version.

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I realize this is more of a GAR question than a GARNOME question, but in 
the interest of saving time, how can one temporarily turn off package 
dependency checking?  It's frustrating every time I fix something to 
have to go back and wait another half hour while dependencies get 
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Hi list,

is there a chance of putting galeon into garnome?

Michael




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Just do 'make install' in the individual package dir.

Off course it will still do dependency-checking but only for that
particular package.

-A.

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That much is simple, I agree -- but my issue is that I'd like to go back 
to the top-level build and effectively pick up where I left off once I 
have done the "make install" that you suggest.  Right know it takes as 
long as half an hour for me to move on to the next package when I am 
ready to resume the build (due to the package checking, re-checking, and 
re-re-checking :-) )

Thanks,
Larry

Aschwin van der Woude wrote:

>Just do 'make install' in the individual package dir.
>
>Off course it will still do dependency-checking but only for that
>particular package.
>
>-A.
>
>la, 07-09-2002 kello 08:15, Larry McQueary kirjoitti:
>  
>
>>I realize this is more of a GAR question than a GARNOME question, but in 
>>the interest of saving time, how can one temporarily turn off package 
>>dependency checking?  It's frustrating every time I fix something to 
>>have to go back and wait another half hour while dependencies get 
>>checked (and rechecked and rechecked) when doing a top-level make in 
>>meta/gnome-desktop.
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>Larry
>>(still compiling the list of Sun/gcc-3.2 issues for GNOME 2.0.x/GARNOME 
>>0.14.x)
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> is there a chance of putting galeon into garnome?

Not until there's an official tarball release, and getting mozilla/gtk+2 is
a sane process.

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> That much is simple, I agree -- but my issue is that I'd like to go back
> to the top-level build and effectively pick up where I left off once I
> have done the "make install" that you suggest.  Right know it takes as
> long as half an hour for me to move on to the next package when I am ready
> to resume the build (due to the package checking, re-checking, and
> re-re-checking :-) )

I'd like to work out what this is, as I've only had it reported on non-Linux
systems. It's a matter of optimising the cookie-finding [ I would prefer to
actually fix this problem, not remove the symptoms :-) ].

In the meantime, you'd have to remove the depends from the Makefiles, which
is a pretty onerous task without involving sed, and it will make your builds
barf.

So, let's work out why it's slow...

- Jeff

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Hey,

So I'm no great shakes at C, and I am definitely not too knowledgable 
about the build process, but what about the following:


* 1 Central list of dependencies at the root of the garnome dir (this 
will also be easier to maintain as time goes on)
* 1 small C app that (when given a target) produces a list of dependencies
* perhaps a centralized sort of cookie listing progress, completed 
builds (this can also serve as a centralized kind of log)


I don't know much about makefiles (just a beginning developer), but 
perhaps it can be rigged to somehow call the small C app to determine 
dependencies and then consult with the cookie file to see if they're 
satisfied (perhaps the C app can do this for you also)

Bonuses with this approach:


* Easier to maintain deps.
* You pay the dep resolution "price" at the door, when you compile the 
little C app once. Afterwards it resolves deps in about a nanosecond.

* With very little effort, users can also use the app to query the 
dependency tree when they feel like upgrading a single part of the tree.

For instance: several new tarballs have appeared on ftp.gnome.org. I 
have a burning desire to upgrade to gedit-x.x.x because it can tell me 
who shot JFK. The next version of garnome is not yet released, and I 
don't feel like editing the makefiles and replacing checksums in the 
garnome/gnome/gedit dir to fool it into doing the work for me; I know 
that it's just a ./configure; make; make install kind of affair anyways. 
The only way for me now to know if the libraries that gedit-x.x.x 
require are in place is for me to manually do a recursive check of 
everything that gedit has in its LIBDEPS. With the C app & central 
repository I can just go "depfinder gedit" and get a nice clean list.

Fiction? Nay. Well, I wrote this app, but I must have done something 
wrong because it segfaults on a malloc (no, I haven't double-freed 
something) when it's dealing with _really really_ long lists of 
dependencies. For normal ones it works just fine and produces output like:

id:~/src$ ./depfinder gedit
Dependency build order for gedit:
0: libart_lgpl
1: pkgconfig
2: gtk-doc
3: glib
4: atk
5: freetype
6: pango
7: gtk+
8: libxml2
9: libglade
10: libgnomecanvas
11: linc
12: libIDL
13: ORBit2
14: bonobo-activation
15: libbonobo
16: GConf
17: gnome-mime-data
18: gnome-vfs
19: audiofile
20: esound
21: libxslt
22: libgnome
23: libbonoboui
24: libgnomeui
25: libgnomeprint
26: libgnomeprintui
**: gedit


So, when everybody is done laughing at the guy who doesns't know C, let 
me know what you think. If it's worth it I'll spend the time debugging 
it carefully to eradicate this bug. Building the dependency file is also 
really really easy and can be automated with a 7 line shell script (I 
did it by hand) -- grep -r "LIBDEPS" > depfile, followed by a bit of 
sed'ing to pare it down the the form:

target: dep1 dep2 dep3

The app is also smart enough to not add previously built dependencies to 
the list, e.g. pkg1 and pkg2 both require pkg0, and say so in their 
LIBDEPS. Pkg0 will only show up once in the list, despite being looked 
for twice.

I hope y'all aren't laughing too much....


Idan


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> So I'm no great shakes at C, and I am definitely not too knowledgable 
> about the build process, but what about the following:

Number comments for reference strewn within. :-) I'm sure Nick will have a
few too...

> * 1 Central list of dependencies at the root of the garnome dir (this 
> will also be easier to maintain as time goes on)

1) Perhaps, but it pulls the information out of the garballs (close
approximations of packages), which is where it is most useful. If you have a
central list of dependencies, there's almost no point to the GNU make
architecture, so you'd want to move to something closer to jhbuild (which I
strongly recommend if you want to build GNOME CVS).

> * 1 small C app that (when given a target) produces a list of dependencies

2) Keeping GAR as a GNU make only system is pretty important. Note that make
is a highly evolved dependency resolver, so writing domain-specific stuff in
C just de-generalises the system and makes it less hackable. There are lots
of good reasons to futz with GAR dependencies.

> * perhaps a centralized sort of cookie listing progress, completed 
> builds (this can also serve as a centralized kind of log)

3) This is what needs to happen for GAR to move closer to 'packaging system'
from 'build tool'. However, GAR is really designed first and foremost as a
build tool, so it's not hugely important to us at the moment.

> I don't know much about makefiles (just a beginning developer), but 
> perhaps it can be rigged to somehow call the small C app to determine 
> dependencies and then consult with the cookie file to see if they're 
> satisfied (perhaps the C app can do this for you also)
> 
> Bonuses with this approach:
> 
> 
> * Easier to maintain deps.

See point 1. Affects ports/packaging look'n'feel.

> * You pay the dep resolution "price" at the door, when you compile the 
> little C app once. Afterwards it resolves deps in about a nanosecond.

See point 2. Removes flexibility/generalisation from make architecture.

> * With very little effort, users can also use the app to query the 
> dependency tree when they feel like upgrading a single part of the tree.

In upstream GAR, you can do this. I haven't folded upstream back into
GARNOME for a long time, since some fairly major structural changes. I will
at some stage, 'cos it's rockin' now (if a bit bigger and more complex).

> For instance: several new tarballs have appeared on ftp.gnome.org. I 
> have a burning desire to upgrade to gedit-x.x.x because it can tell me 
> who shot JFK. The next version of garnome is not yet released, and I 
> don't feel like editing the makefiles and replacing checksums in the 
> garnome/gnome/gedit dir to fool it into doing the work for me; I know 
> that it's just a ./configure; make; make install kind of affair anyways. 

Well, GARNOME is designed to be a distribution, rather than a fast-n-hard
updating service for the impatient and needy. :-) Thus, I'm not really
interested in improving this side of things.

(I am, however, improved in its ability to upgrade, which point 3 addresses
to a certain extent.)

> The only way for me now to know if the libraries that gedit-x.x.x 
> require are in place is for me to manually do a recursive check of 
> everything that gedit has in its LIBDEPS. With the C app & central 
> repository I can just go "depfinder gedit" and get a nice clean list.

Dude, whilst it's all ABI ccompatible, why would you care? :-)

> Fiction? Nay. Well, I wrote this app, but I must have done something 
> wrong because it segfaults on a malloc (no, I haven't double-freed 
> something) when it's dealing with _really really_ long lists of 
> dependencies. For normal ones it works just fine and produces output like:

(See upstream GAR. You can do all of this in make, in fact, make is *the*
way to do it.)

> I hope y'all aren't laughing too much....

Not too much, because you went to the effort to write it in C of all things.
Nick wasn't laughing too hard when someone posted a python solution to the
GAR lists either. But he added it with very little trouble to GAR straight
away, because it's all 100% GNU make.

:-)

Thanks,

- Jeff

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begin  Jeff Waugh  quotation:
> I'd like to work out what this is, as I've only had it reported on
> non-Linux systems. It's a matter of optimising the cookie-finding [
> I would prefer to actually fix this problem, not remove the symptoms
> :-) ].

	I'd love to work on optimizations for GAR cookie-finding.
Right now what a dependency build does in the latest GAR is this
(essentially):

dep-$(GARDIR)/%:
	$(MAKE) -C $(GARDIR)/$* install-p > || \
	$(MAKE) -C $(GARDIR)/$* install

Thus, we're forking a copy of make each time.  This is largely because
the LNX-BBC project has build deps, which are built only for the
purpose of building other stuff, and get thrown in a scratch dir that
will eventually be wiped (consider flex or bison as an example --
they're used to compile things, but we don't actually include them on
the bootable business card).

Thus we actually have to rely on the package's predicate calls to tell
us for real if something is installed or not.  

For a while I was doing it with a simple test line in the dep-foo
rules.  This was very fast as it had only to fork a copy of the shell,
not a new make instance that sourced in the new package makefile.  I
forget how old the GARNOME gar is, but if it uses anything like the
modern dep-checking, then it's probably forkings of make slowing you
down.  Just a guess, really.

> So, let's work out why it's slow...

The LNX-BBC tree has some hojillion dependencies and packages.  I'm
running these tests on an already-built tree, so the ONLY work it has
to do is dep-checking.  This is a Debian Testing system with a
skanky-ass old kernel and only one of its dual Pentium IIs being used:

----8<----
[gar(/usr/local/var/build-last/gar/meta/lnx-bbc)] time make showdeps | wc -l
    259

real    0m37.293s
user    0m12.130s
sys     0m25.140s
----8<----

	So some of those deps are repeated etc, but if GARNOME is
recent enough to have "showdeps" you should be able to compare for
number of dep-checking tests it'd have to do.  Note that the showdeps
itself took 37 seconds.  Long, but not half an hour.

----8<----
[gar(/usr/local/var/build-last/gar/meta/lnx-bbc)] time make install > /tmp/ttt

real    0m2.805s
user    0m0.520s
sys     0m2.150s
----8<----

This is largely because it doesn't do the deep dep checking like the
waaaay old GAR used to (because the super-old GAR used to do
deep-checking, while the code above only checks the dep one below
(unless I were to update install-p with deep checking, which I may
someday do!)).  

A make install in the singularity dir (which has 159 dependencies and
build deps) runs like this when all install deps are satisfied:

----8<----
[gar(~/bbc/gar/meta/singularity)] time make configure > /tmp/ttt

real    0m41.949s
user    0m10.450s
sys     0m31.560s
----8<----

So it looks like we're getting 3-4 deps checked per second.  Not the
best timing, but certainly not enough to make the thing take half an
hour!

Try doing a "time make configure" for a package that has all of its
deps satisfied.

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begin  Idan Gazit  quotation:
> * 1 Central list of dependencies at the root of the garnome dir (this 
> will also be easier to maintain as time goes on)

	You're joking, right?

-- 
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      -- http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm    (search for "Boston")

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> begin  Idan Gazit  quotation:
> > * 1 Central list of dependencies at the root of the garnome dir (this 
> > will also be easier to maintain as time goes on)
> 
> 	You're joking, right?

Damn, and I was hoping for some cranked up Alexander Viro lecture stylin's.

  Dude, you've so chilled.

- Jeff

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begin  Jeff Waugh  quotation:
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> > begin  Idan Gazit  quotation:
> > > * 1 Central list of dependencies at the root of the garnome dir
> > > (this will also be easier to maintain as time goes on)
> > 
> > 	You're joking, right?
> 
> Damn, and I was hoping for some cranked up Alexander Viro lecture
> stylin's.
> 
>   Dude, you've so chilled.

	Ha ha.  Well, I'm tryin' not to bad-cop your project, and I
really am interested in hearing out anyone who's bothered to *write
code*.  I figure I'll let him explain his justification for the
architectural choices, rebut if necessary, lecture if persistently
wrong, and flame if he's obnoxious.  

	So far, however, what I see is an interested developer who's
exploring the GAR architecture, and that makes me happy.

	Now merge upstream, ya lazy arse!

-- 
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as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. 
      -- http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm    (search for "Boston")

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> > Damn, and I was hoping for some cranked up Alexander Viro lecture
> > stylin's.
> > 
> >   Dude, you've so chilled.
> 
> 	Ha ha.  Well, I'm tryin' not to bad-cop your project, and I
> really am interested in hearing out anyone who's bothered to *write
> code*.  I figure I'll let him explain his justification for the
> architectural choices, rebut if necessary, lecture if persistently
> wrong, and flame if he's obnoxious.  
> 
> 	So far, however, what I see is an interested developer who's
> exploring the GAR architecture, and that makes me happy.

You haven't just chilled - you're getting old! :-) Further encouragement for
GAR-hacking (and to check out what I haven't pulled down from upstream yet,
because I'm a lazy git, or maybe just too busy with GNOME stuff):

  http://gar.lnx-bbc.org/

> 	Now merge upstream, ya lazy arse!

Yes Mum, right after I take out the garbage...

- Jeff (who runs off to do a GNOME release instead, nyah nyah!)

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Nick Moffitt & Jeff Waugh Wrote:

 > You suck. You know nothing about the intricacies of make or gar or 
anything that matches the glob pattern "auto*".

Uh... Guilty! It was just a suggestion that came around because I wrote 
the app to do exactly what I wrote in the first post; i.e. get a list of 
dependencies w/o doing it by hand (Think perl -- why do it by hand when 
you can spend a day writing an app to do it for you? Laziness, hubris...)

Well, it was a nice idea until I had it handed to me well-done on a platter.

Hope to contribute something more worthwhile in the future,

Idan


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> Nick Moffitt & Jeff Waugh Wrote:
> 
> > You suck. You know nothing about the intricacies of make or gar or
> > anything that matches the glob pattern "auto*".
> 
> Uh... Guilty!

Ha ha, awwww. :-)

> It was just a suggestion that came around because I wrote the app to do
> exactly what I wrote in the first post; i.e. get a list of dependencies
> w/o doing it by hand (Think perl -- why do it by hand when you can spend a
> day writing an app to do it for you? Laziness, hubris...)

Blame my laziness for not upgrading to the latest GAR stuff. :-)

> Hope to contribute something more worthwhile in the future,

You're way welcome, I think a few people have learnt a bit more about GAR
and make just through this thread.

btw, I've been using GAR as a basis for some impromtu make tutorials - if
you want to get to know some really handy make stuff in a really cool
project, read the GAR makefiles. Nick ("maaaate!") has done a sterling job.

- Jeff

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On  5 Sep 2002, Jeff Waugh  wrote:
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> 
> > I've written a free program called distcc, which distributes the work of
> > compilation across several machines on a network.  It works well with
> > GARNOME, and (leaving aside downloads) can compile more than twice as fast
> > as plain gcc.
> 
> Rock! So the bugs you found with libtool and such are all fixed?

You actually still need a small workaround of using a shell script
"distc", that does

  exec distcc gcc "$@"

libtool works happily with that, and in truth libtool itself is so
slow that the small overhead of the script won't matter much.

I'll do it properly in the next one or two releases so that libtool
will be able to just call distcc directly.

I sent patches for a couple of small Makefile races, but there may be
some more lurking in there.

Aside from that, yes, it works well.

The other thing that would help it would be to increase the level of
parallelism in GARNOME.  For example, you could compile gtk+ while you
are downloading libgnome.  This would help even for people without
distcc, and for distcc it should be a big boost.  Of course it will
make it a little more complex, but no worse than -j in general.

-- 
Martin 

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> The other thing that would help it would be to increase the level of
> parallelism in GARNOME.  For example, you could compile gtk+ while you are
> downloading libgnome.  This would help even for people without distcc, and
> for distcc it should be a big boost.  Of course it will make it a little
> more complex, but no worse than -j in general.

Yeah, good call. I'm going to look into this once I've upgraded to latest
upstream.

Thanks,

- Jeff

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Can anyone tell me where to find this beast?  It does not seem to be 
part of the garnome distribution and I'm having a tough time finding it..  

Thanks,
Larry


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gnome-control-center?

Larry McQueary had the audacity to claim:

>Can anyone tell me where to find this beast?  It does not seem to be part of
>the garnome distribution and I'm having a tough time finding it..


-- 

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Hmmm.  I don't find that in the control-center package.  I am not 
running Linux, FYI, so I'm looking for a current GNOME source package 
that contains this shell script (gnome-config).

Thanks,
Larry

Vigil wrote:

>gnome-control-center?
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>Larry McQueary had the audacity to claim:
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>>Can anyone tell me where to find this beast?  It does not seem to be part of
>>the garnome distribution and I'm having a tough time finding it..
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begin  Jeff Waugh  quotation:
> 
> > The other thing that would help it would be to increase the level
> > of parallelism in GARNOME.  For example, you could compile gtk+
> > while you are downloading libgnome.  This would help even for
> > people without distcc, and for distcc it should be a big boost.
> > Of course it will make it a little more complex, but no worse than
> > -j in general.
> 
> Yeah, good call. I'm going to look into this once I've upgraded to
> latest upstream.

	It's a tough problem, and one that I'd like to see solved
portably.  Some individual packages, for example, are not internally
parallelizable, and the system would need to be smart about
dependencies.  We'd probably need to set up some sort of external
locking mechanism, and that makes me kind of queasy.

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On  7 Sep 2002, Nick Moffitt  wrote:
>> [external parallelization]

(or, as my old professor called it, paralysation.)

> 	It's a tough problem, and one that I'd like to see solved
> portably.  Some individual packages, for example, are not internally
> parallelizable, and the system would need to be smart about
> dependencies.  We'd probably need to set up some sort of external
> locking mechanism, and that makes me kind of queasy.

My naive idea was that building several packages in parallel would be
a nice way to avoid worrying about whether they are internally
parallelizable.  So at the GAR level dependencies like this would seem
to be safe and also permit useful parallelization:

  install-libgtk: build-libgtk
  build-libgtk: download-libgtk
  build-libgnome: install-libgtk download-libgnome

I haven't looked at whether this would work inside GARNOME.  I guess
you would want to have some kind of lock file indicating that the
installation has completed, so that you don't need to actually run
"make install" every time.  I suppose also you would want some kind of
limit on the number of download tasks that can run at any time.
 
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> Can anyone tell me where to find this beast?  It does not seem to be 
> part of the garnome distribution and I'm having a tough time finding it..  

It's in libgnome 1.x... What's looking for it?

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xscreensaver was, probably because it hasn't been updated to gnome2 yet. 
 I'm having trouble getting xscreensaver's configure script to like my 
libxml and libMesaGL installations, and so far have been too lazy to 
unravel the script and doctor it appropriately.  It seemed that 
gnome-config might have solved the problem, but I guess I'll just have 
to hack the script after all.

Thanks,
Larry

Jeff Waugh wrote:

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>>Can anyone tell me where to find this beast?  It does not seem to be 
>>part of the garnome distribution and I'm having a tough time finding it..  
>>    
>>
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>It's in libgnome 1.x... What's looking for it?
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>- Jeff
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> xscreensaver was, probably because it hasn't been updated to gnome2 yet.
> I'm having trouble getting xscreensaver's configure script to like my
> libxml and libMesaGL installations, and so far have been too lazy to
> unravel the script and doctor it appropriately.  It seemed that
> gnome-config might have solved the problem, but I guess I'll just have to
> hack the script after all.

The very latest versions of xscreensaver have a G2 control panel, so
shouldn't require gnome-config.

Be aware that xscreensaver really, really, really wants to be installed in
your proper system prefix to work properly (which is why it isn't in
GARNOME).

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Hi,

I've just completed a fresh install of Debian and have built garnome, as
well as gdm.  I'm running gdm from my home directory and  I followed the
instructions in the FAQ to setup my .xsession.  When I log in I only get a
xterm without borders, no mouse menus, etc.  Sort of like when you press
Shift-F1 for xdm to login in safe mode.  Any help on actually getting the
menus, control center, etc would be really appreciated.

Thanks,

Ramon Kagan
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Well, define proper system prefix?  I think for Solaris users it's 
perhaps less straightforward.  (Danger, danger, broad know-it-all, 
annoying generalization follows).  In the world of Linux, just about 
everything that commercial UNIX users get as part of their standard OS 
distribution is freeware; rather than being an 'alternate' piece of 
software that one can use for a particular purpose, it is 'the' software 
to use for a particular purpose (ex: in Linux you use GNU fileutils 
because, well, it's basically the fileutils package for every UNIX 
system.  OTOH, I use GNU fileutils on Solaris because they are more 
'sane' in certain circumstances and with treatment of certain arguments 
(e.g. tar -C with garnome!!!) than the Solaris versions.  

The point I'm getting to (honest) is that while it's perfectly normal in 
the world of Linux to go install extra software in /bin, /usr/bin, 
/usr/X11R6/bin, etc.... it's not OK to me to install any of this stuff 
anywhere but in /usr/local,  /usr/local/, or /opt/ on 
a Solaris box.

But all this aside, I guess you're telling be that xscreensaver *really* 
wants to be in /usr/X11R6/bin, etc ?  What is the *very* latest version? 
 I was working with 4.04.

Incidentally, I got it working after munging the Makefiles a bit; 
however the path of least resistance was to have it install in my 
garnome install directories vs. /usr/local (which was my preference, 
since, as you pointed out, this is not part of garnome).

Still didn't get the XML or OpenGL stuff to get picked up by configure 
(as noted below, which is what led me into this discussion), but the 
basics work a treat.

Any additional pointers on this appreciated.

Thanks,
Larry

Jeff Waugh wrote:

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>
>  
>
>>xscreensaver was, probably because it hasn't been updated to gnome2 yet.
>>I'm having trouble getting xscreensaver's configure script to like my
>>libxml and libMesaGL installations, and so far have been too lazy to
>>unravel the script and doctor it appropriately.  It seemed that
>>gnome-config might have solved the problem, but I guess I'll just have to
>>hack the script after all.
>>    
>>
>
>The very latest versions of xscreensaver have a G2 control panel, so
>shouldn't require gnome-config.
>
>Be aware that xscreensaver really, really, really wants to be installed in
>your proper system prefix to work properly (which is why it isn't in
>GARNOME).
>
>- Jeff
>
>  
>


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Hi Gene,

On Fri, 6 Sep 2002 21:13:20 -0400
Gene Heskett  wrote:

> [...]
> Update, they didn't.  Got worse in fact.  I cleaned out the build 
> dir for gcc3.2, reran the configure using all the defaults, make'd 
> a bootstrap, check and install.  No difference, so I went after 
> qt-3.0.5, but gave it a bunch of options since it defaults to a lot 
> of them off.  Built it, no errors important enough to abort the 
> build.
> 
> Now I can't even startx, and in garnome-0.14.1/meta/kde I get this 
> for a make:
> ----------------
> [...]
> checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C 
> compiler cannot create executables
> [...]
> 
> Reverting back to qt-3.0.4 as /usr/loca/lqt and startx works, 
> running it now.
> 
> Ideas?

Whenever you see "C compiler cannot create executable" in autoconf/automake
and libtool-based projects, you should first take a look at "configure.log"
to find the exact file/parameters that are being given to the compiler.
It may be any number of things from invalid parameters, to something as
basic as having no r/x permissions in include or lib directories in the
compiler search paths.

Having said that, Qt being C++-based, and there are changes in ABI between
versions 2.95.x, 3.0.x, 3.1.x, and 3.2.x, expect troubles during linking
if you use different compiler than the one which was used to compile Qt.

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> Well, define proper system prefix?  I think for Solaris users it's perhaps
> less straightforward.

It should be less straightfoward for anyone installing new software from
source on a *NIX system. :-) From memory, it's mostly the X resource files
that have issues being 'out of prefix' (with regards to X).

> What is the *very* latest version?  I was working with 4.04.

Yeah, that's it - the G2D stuff must be behind a configure variable.

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Hi,

I noticed that gimp-freetype is in the gnome directory structure in 
garnome-0.14.1 but does not build -- is that normal?

Also, my nautilus has problems locating XftConfig, and so do I - is this 
part of the freetype package?  Do I really need this package given that 
I've got my own X stuff courtesy of Solaris?  Is there some suitable way 
to make nautilus look for the appropriate font configuration file elsewhere?

Thanks,
Larry


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Correction: when I say fails to build, I mean that it simply doesn't 
even try to build it from what I can see.

Thanks,
Larry

Larry McQueary wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I noticed that gimp-freetype is in the gnome directory structure in 
> garnome-0.14.1 but does not build -- is that normal?
>
> Also, my nautilus has problems locating XftConfig, and so do I - is 
> this part of the freetype package?  Do I really need this package 
> given that I've got my own X stuff courtesy of Solaris?  Is there some 
> suitable way to make nautilus look for the appropriate font 
> configuration file elsewhere?
>
> Thanks,
> Larry
>


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Hi Larry,

On Mon, 09 Sep 2002 11:22:52 -0600
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> Correction: when I say fails to build, I mean that it simply doesn't 
> even try to build it from what I can see.
> 
> Thanks,
> Larry

GIMP and other applications are built from gnome-fifth-toe subdirectory.
You can check the "Makefile" in each of the meta/* subdirectories to see
which apps/libs get built.  Additional libs are required for building
some apps in fifth-toe directory.  If you don't need audio-related apps
I guess you can ignore them (they seem to be built last, so it's no big
deal if they're not built).

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> Correction: when I say fails to build, I mean that it simply doesn't even
> try to build it from what I can see.

Yeah, there's *heaps* of stuff in the ports that aren't built by the
gnome-desktop meta garball. Some of them are built with the other meta
garballs, but you can always build them individually anyway - they have full
dependencies.

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hey all,

now i've spent (hopefully) plenty of time browsing mailing list archives =
for
 a solution to this problem.  I was able to find plenty of other people
 having the same exact error, but never any using garnome greater then
 0.8.6....

i'm using garnome-0.14.1 on slackware 8.0.
my distro is close to stock install. i have XFree86-4.1 with 2.4.5 kernel=
=2E

the compile fails during pango's make.

so during the compile of garnome i get an error like this:

=3D=3D> Running make in work/pango-1.0.4
make[4]: Entering directory
`/home/blargg/download/garnome-0.14.1/gnome/pango/work/pango-1.0.4'
make  all-recursive

(it's running make on pango....)
(blah blah)

(then here)
cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -DPANGO_ENABLE_BACKEND -DPANGO_ENABLE_ENG=
INE
-DSYSCONFDIR=3D\"/opt/gnome2/etc\" -DLIBDIR=3D\"/opt/gnome2/lib\"
-DMODULE_VERSION=3D\"1.0.0\" -DG_DISABLE_DEPRECATED -I/usr/X11R6/include
-I/opt/gnome2/include -I/opt/gnome2/include/freetype2 -I..
-I/opt/gnome2/include -I/opt/gnome2/include -I/opt/gnome2/include
-I/opt/gnome2/include -I/opt/gnome2/include -O2 -pipe -g
-I/opt/gnome2/include -O2 -pipe -g -I/opt/gnome2/include -O2 -pipe -g
-I/opt/gnome2/include -Wall -D_REENTRANT -I/opt/gnome2/include/glib-2.0
-I/opt/gnome2/lib/glib-2.0/include -c pangoxft-font.c  -fPIC -DPIC -o
pangoxft-font.lo
In file included from pangoxft.h:27,
                 from pangoxft-private.h:25,
                 from pangoxft-font.c:26:
=2E./pango/pango-ot.h:43: parse error before `face'
In file included from pangoxft-private.h:25,
                 from pangoxft-font.c:26:
pangoxft.h:64: parse error before `pango_xft_font_get_face'
pangoxft.h:64: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of
`pango_xft_font_get_face'
pangoxft.h:64: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
In file included from pangoxft-font.c:27:
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:34: parse error before
`_XftFTlibrary'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:34: warning: type defaults to `i=
nt'
in d/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:34: warning: data definition=
 has
no type or storage class
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:37: parse error before `FT_Face'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:37: warning: no semicolon at end=
 of
struct or union
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:41: parse error before `size'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:41: warning: type defaults to `i=
nt'
in declaration of `size'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:41: warning: data definition has=
 no
type or storage class
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:54: parse error before `matrix'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:54: warning: type defaults to `i=
nt'
in declaration of `matrix'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:54: warning: data definition has=
 no
type or storage class
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:71: parse error before `face'
pangoxft-font.c: In function `get_mini_font':
pangoxft-font.c:164: `FT_Face' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:164: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
pangoxft-font.c:164: for each function it appears in.)
pangoxft-font.c:164: parse error before `face'
pangoxft-font.c:176: `face' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:181: warning: implicit declaration of function declaratio=
n of
`_XftFTlibrary' `FT_Get_Char_Index'


ok, their is more output that i'm not including because it was long..so i
 left it out.

now i've read in garnome-list archives, that past people on slackware wer=
e
having problems.  one fix said to get freetype-2.0.9 installed and it wou=
ld
work.  the email said pango wouldn't compile/link against freetype-2.1.2.=
  ??

so i've compiled freetype-2.0.9 but garnome still automatically downloads
freetype-2.1.2



what is the fix to this error?  am i missing some obvious fix that other
 slack users know about?   did i not thouroughly search the net for the f=
ix?


thanks,

ben



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On Monday 09 September 2002 12:38, Vichaya Sidhipong wrote:
>Hi Gene,
>
>On Fri, 6 Sep 2002 21:13:20 -0400
>
>Gene Heskett  wrote:
>> [...]
>> Update, they didn't.  Got worse in fact.  I cleaned out the
>> build dir for gcc3.2, reran the configure using all the
>> defaults, make'd a bootstrap, check and install.  No difference,
>> so I went after qt-3.0.5, but gave it a bunch of options since
>> it defaults to a lot of them off.  Built it, no errors important
>> enough to abort the build.
>>
>> Now I can't even startx, and in garnome-0.14.1/meta/kde I get
>> this for a make:
>> ----------------
>> [...]
>> checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C
>> compiler cannot create executables
>> [...]
>>
>> Reverting back to qt-3.0.4 as /usr/loca/lqt and startx works,
>> running it now.
>>
>> Ideas?
>
>Whenever you see "C compiler cannot create executable" in
> autoconf/automake and libtool-based projects, you should first
> take a look at "configure.log" to find the exact file/parameters
> that are being given to the compiler. It may be any number of
> things from invalid parameters, to something as basic as having
> no r/x permissions in include or lib directories in the compiler
> search paths.
>
>Having said that, Qt being C++-based, and there are changes in ABI
> between versions 2.95.x, 3.0.x, 3.1.x, and 3.2.x, expect troubles
> during linking if you use different compiler than the one which
> was used to compile Qt.

It appears that I cannot control where the compiler is looking for 
its c++ includes, the Makefile apparently being permanently locked 
to -I/usr/include, which of course is supposedly deprecated in the 
first place, and sure as heck not where gcc3.2 puts them.  The STL 
stuffs get put in

/usr/local/gcc3.2/include/c++/3.2/bits

And in one install they wound up in

/usr/local/gcc3.2/include/c++/3.2/i686--pc-linux-gnu/include/

but I tore that one out as being totally unusable in the real world.

This install is almost sane compared to my first two tries.

-- 
Cheers, Gene
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Subject: Re: garnome-0.14.1 and slackware 8.0 won't compile
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Hi Ben,

I'm running garnome on slack 8.1 and ran into similar problems
compiling, you are right that you need to update freetype.

If you're installing from a tarball, you may have an issue with garnome
still looking to your old package, easiest fix would be to remove the
freetype package and then install from tarball.

Even easier (what I did) would be to grab some updated packages at
linuxpackages.net, and just use upgradepkg. I'm running freetype-2.1.2
from there.

Hope I helped.

Long Live Slack,

-- Matt

On Mon, 2002-09-09 at 12:54, ben f wrote:
> hey all,
> 
> now i've spent (hopefully) plenty of time browsing mailing list archives for
>  a solution to this problem.  I was able to find plenty of other people
>  having the same exact error, but never any using garnome greater then
>  0.8.6....
> 
> i'm using garnome-0.14.1 on slackware 8.0.
> my distro is close to stock install. i have XFree86-4.1 with 2.4.5 kernel.
> 
> the compile fails during pango's make.
> 
> so during the compile of garnome i get an error like this:
> 
> ==> Running make in work/pango-1.0.4
> make[4]: Entering directory
> `/home/blargg/download/garnome-0.14.1/gnome/pango/work/pango-1.0.4'
> make  all-recursive
> 
> (it's running make on pango....)
> (blah blah)
> 
> (then here)
> cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -DPANGO_ENABLE_BACKEND -DPANGO_ENABLE_ENGINE
> -DSYSCONFDIR=\"/opt/gnome2/etc\" -DLIBDIR=\"/opt/gnome2/lib\"
> -DMODULE_VERSION=\"1.0.0\" -DG_DISABLE_DEPRECATED -I/usr/X11R6/include
> -I/opt/gnome2/include -I/opt/gnome2/include/freetype2 -I..
> -I/opt/gnome2/include -I/opt/gnome2/include -I/opt/gnome2/include
> -I/opt/gnome2/include -I/opt/gnome2/include -O2 -pipe -g
> -I/opt/gnome2/include -O2 -pipe -g -I/opt/gnome2/include -O2 -pipe -g
> -I/opt/gnome2/include -Wall -D_REENTRANT -I/opt/gnome2/include/glib-2.0
> -I/opt/gnome2/lib/glib-2.0/include -c pangoxft-font.c  -fPIC -DPIC -o
> pangoxft-font.lo
> In file included from pangoxft.h:27,
>                  from pangoxft-private.h:25,
>                  from pangoxft-font.c:26:
> ../pango/pango-ot.h:43: parse error before `face'
> In file included from pangoxft-private.h:25,
>                  from pangoxft-font.c:26:
> pangoxft.h:64: parse error before `pango_xft_font_get_face'
> pangoxft.h:64: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of
> `pango_xft_font_get_face'
> pangoxft.h:64: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
> In file included from pangoxft-font.c:27:
> /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:34: parse error before
> `_XftFTlibrary'
> /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:34: warning: type defaults to `int'
> in d/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:34: warning: data definition has
> no type or storage class
> /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:37: parse error before `FT_Face'
> /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:37: warning: no semicolon at end of
> struct or union
> /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:41: parse error before `size'
> /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:41: warning: type defaults to `int'
> in declaration of `size'
> /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:41: warning: data definition has no
> type or storage class
> /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:54: parse error before `matrix'
> /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:54: warning: type defaults to `int'
> in declaration of `matrix'
> /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:54: warning: data definition has no
> type or storage class
> /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:71: parse error before `face'
> pangoxft-font.c: In function `get_mini_font':
> pangoxft-font.c:164: `FT_Face' undeclared (first use in this function)
> pangoxft-font.c:164: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
> pangoxft-font.c:164: for each function it appears in.)
> pangoxft-font.c:164: parse error before `face'
> pangoxft-font.c:176: `face' undeclared (first use in this function)
> pangoxft-font.c:181: warning: implicit declaration of function declaration of
> `_XftFTlibrary' `FT_Get_Char_Index'
> 
> 
> ok, their is more output that i'm not including because it was long..so i
>  left it out.
> 
> now i've read in garnome-list archives, that past people on slackware were
> having problems.  one fix said to get freetype-2.0.9 installed and it would
> work.  the email said pango wouldn't compile/link against freetype-2.1.2.  ??
> 
> so i've compiled freetype-2.0.9 but garnome still automatically downloads
> freetype-2.1.2
> 
> 
> 
> what is the fix to this error?  am i missing some obvious fix that other
>  slack users know about?   did i not thouroughly search the net for the fix?
> 
> 
> thanks,
> 
> ben
> 
> 
> -- 
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GARNOME 0.15.0: "The Little Furnace"
====================================

GARNOME - the bad-ass, bleeding edge GNOME distribution for testers and
tweakers everywhere. If you're dying to test the latest GNOME 2.0 Desktop
releases, but don't want to fall into the depraved addictions and
co-dependencies of testing from anonymous CVS, then GARNOME is for you.

[ In other words, GARNOME is a build tool for GNOME 2.x which includes the
developer platform and desktop releases, as well as a host of other software
ported to the GNOME 2.x platform. Everything is as easy to build as 'make
install'. We call it a 'distribution' because it's sanity-tested and often
patched before release, for your convenience and enjoyment. ;-) ]


Random Stuff
------------

Another belated announcement, if only by a few hours this time. A quick
hint: Sometimes you'll find new tarballs up on the download site that
haven't been announced yet.

That's either due to laziness on my part, giving the regulars on #garnome
time to test it and point out my foibles before the rest of the world can,
or just because I've done anther GNOME release at a very silly hour and have
fallen asleep before getting GARNOME out. That's what happened this time. :)

... it's so hard to resist the mighty power of The Little Furnace!


What's New?
-----------

  * Updated to the GNOME 2.0.2 RC 1.

  * Updated GAR system to latest upstream version. HOORAY! Thanks to Nick
    Moffit and the LNX-BBC crew for such a kickarse reusable project.

  * Moved compiler settings out of category files and into gar.conf.mk.

  * Fixed: memprof should be in gnome-hacker-tools meta garball.

  * Fixed: gimp-print now configures with --without-cups, to avoid
    out-of-GARNOME-prefix installation borkage.

  * Fixed: Remove upstream's glibc workarounds. They just cramp our elite
    cross-platform stylin's. Thanks to ajmitch.

  * Fixed: gst-plugins -Werror removal fixes some issues, thanks again to
    ajmitch.

  * Fixed: gnome-vfs has had a new release, so the menu issues are fixed.
    Some unexpected foo might happen if you have pre-existing vfolders state
    stored in ~/.gnome2/vfolders/ -> be careful out there!


Where Do I Get It?
------------------

The tarball and documentation [1] are available on the GARNOME website:

  http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/garnome/


Enjoy G2D and GARNOME. :-)

- Jeff

[1] People who don't read the documentation tend to look pretty silly on
garnome-list and in #garnome.

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begin  Jeff Waugh  quotation:
>   * Fixed: Remove upstream's glibc workarounds. They just cramp our
>   elite cross-platform stylin's. Thanks to ajmitch.

	I take it this is the LD_LIBRARY_PATH stuff?

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> begin  Jeff Waugh  quotation:
> >   * Fixed: Remove upstream's glibc workarounds. They just cramp our
> >   elite cross-platform stylin's. Thanks to ajmitch.
> 
> 	I take it this is the LD_LIBRARY_PATH stuff?

Nah, just the LD_PRELOAD of libc.so... Bit of an issue for our non-GNU/Linux
users. :-)

- Jeff

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On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Larry McQueary wrote:

> The point I'm getting to (honest) is that while it's perfectly normal in
> the world of Linux to go install extra software in /bin, /usr/bin,
> /usr/X11R6/bin, etc.... it's not OK to me to install any of this stuff
> anywhere but in /usr/local,  /usr/local/, or /opt/ on
> a Solaris box.

I don't think it's perfectly normal in the world of Linux to install extra
software in anywhere but /usr/local and /opt (except $HOME ;-).  Dispite
your initial warning I feel compelled to reply to this.  Anyway, good luck
with xscreensaver, maybe someone can talk them into doing things in a more
sane fashion?  I have no experience, but I trust Jeff's opinion on it.  It
would certainly be nice to have xscreensaver as a part of GARNOME.

regards,
Sean


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Hi,
I installed garnome under my user: home/Marco: after various modeule comp=
ilation
I tried to compile the gnome-applets but received first this error:

./configure: config.log: Permission denied
make[1]: *** [configure-work/libgtop-2.0.0/configure] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory ?home/Marco/garnome-0.12.0/libgtop?
make: *** [dep-../../gnome/libgtop] Error 2

I give the prompt the su command and the compilation continue but after
some lines the compilation stopped and obtain this error:

checking for pkg-config... no
*** The pkg-config script could not be found. Make sure it is
*** in your path, or set the PKG_CONFIG environment variable
*** to the full path to pkg-config.
*** Or see http://www.freedesktop.org/software/pkg-config to get pkg-conf=
ig.
configure error: Library requirements (glib2.0 >=3D 2.0.0) not met; consi=
der
adj
usting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in
a nonst
andard prefix so pkg-config can find them.
make[1]: *** [configure-work/libgtop-2.0.0/configure] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory ?home/Marco/garnome-0.12.0/libgtop?
make: *** [dep-../../gnome/libgtop] Error 2

I compiled previously the pkg-config and it is good, but I see that under=

the pkg-config there is another glib (it seems 1.2.18). But in another li=
nux
on my disk I installed garnome under root and downloaded files from the
gnome site and never met this error. In fact now I am in another system
and try to compile package that I found on a cd magazine. I controlled th=
e
packages and they are good (it seems).
What about this error in compilation?
Best regards,

Marco Mangiante

P.S.: I use garnome-0.12.0 while in the other system I used garnome-0.13.=
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Hi,
I compiled kde using garnome but I don't get amy mime
types installed. Due to this, nothing seems to work on
the desktop. I get some error from kioslave etc...also
there are no menu items appearing on tke 'K' menu!

TIA,
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Hi,
I compiled kde using garnome but I don't get amy mime
types installed. Due to this, nothing seems to work on
the desktop. I get some error from kioslave etc...also
there are no menu items appearing on tke 'K' menu!

TIA,
VIcky

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Your problems seem like you installed some packages with one user then
tried to install others with a different user. To me it sounds like you
should just delete all the garnome stuff and start over.
I don't completely understand what you are saying though.  perhaps if you
gave a walkthrough of what commands you ran to install garnome it would
be easier to diagnose your problem?

regards,
Sean

On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 marcomangiante@virgilio.it wrote:

> Hi,
> I installed garnome under my user: home/Marco: after various modeule compilation
> I tried to compile the gnome-applets but received first this error:
>
> ./configure: config.log: Permission denied
> make[1]: *** [configure-work/libgtop-2.0.0/configure] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory ?home/Marco/garnome-0.12.0/libgtop?
> make: *** [dep-../../gnome/libgtop] Error 2
>
> I give the prompt the su command and the compilation continue but after
> some lines the compilation stopped and obtain this error:
>
> checking for pkg-config... no
> *** The pkg-config script could not be found. Make sure it is
> *** in your path, or set the PKG_CONFIG environment variable
> *** to the full path to pkg-config.
> *** Or see http://www.freedesktop.org/software/pkg-config to get pkg-config.
> configure error: Library requirements (glib2.0 >= 2.0.0) not met; consider
> adj
> usting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in
> a nonst
> andard prefix so pkg-config can find them.
> make[1]: *** [configure-work/libgtop-2.0.0/configure] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory ?home/Marco/garnome-0.12.0/libgtop?
> make: *** [dep-../../gnome/libgtop] Error 2
>
> I compiled previously the pkg-config and it is good, but I see that under
> the pkg-config there is another glib (it seems 1.2.18). But in another linux
> on my disk I installed garnome under root and downloaded files from the
> gnome site and never met this error. In fact now I am in another system
> and try to compile package that I found on a cd magazine. I controlled the
> packages and they are good (it seems).
> What about this error in compilation?
> Best regards,
>
> Marco Mangiante
>
> P.S.: I use garnome-0.12.0 while in the other system I used garnome-0.13.1
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Ramon Kagan wrote:

> I've just completed a fresh install of Debian and have built garnome, as
> well as gdm.  I'm running gdm from my home directory and  I followed the
> instructions in the FAQ to setup my .xsession.  When I log in I only get a
> xterm without borders, no mouse menus, etc.  Sort of like when you press
> Shift-F1 for xdm to login in safe mode.  Any help on actually getting the
> menus, control center, etc would be really appreciated.

Sounds like you have the same problem I was having. Your .xsession file isn't being used by /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession because the .xsession file is not executable. Maybe chmod +x ~/.xsession would correct the problem like it did for me.

Hope this helps.

regards,
syd.



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Installed Garnome 0.15.0 last night with no compile problems whatsoever
on my Slackware 8.1 based system. (Although I did remove the Slackware
Nautilus package before compiling... I also copied my Slackware-specific
gconf path before logging back in.) 

Everything looks OK, except that there are no items except submenus
under Desktop Preferences on the main menu.

Everything's there via Nautilus, and the quick look I took at the
vfolder structure this morning didn't reveal any obvious issues.

I plan to dig deeper, but thought I'd ask around first.

TIA

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I have a couple of small suggestions for the FAQ:

1. Add to FAQ #10 that in case the .xsession file doesn't already exist, 
it should be created and made executable.

2. For redhat7.3 users, suggest that they use GConf-1.0.9 from RawHide, 
to avoid conflicts with gconfd-1.

This is a really great package to use. Thanks for all your hard work.

Regards
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Hi,

I figured out that the path wasn't being picked up properly.  .xsession
doesn't need to executable.

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On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Sydney Weidman wrote:

> Ramon Kagan wrote:
>
> > I've just completed a fresh install of Debian and have built garnome, as
> > well as gdm.  I'm running gdm from my home directory and  I followed the
> > instructions in the FAQ to setup my .xsession.  When I log in I only get a
> > xterm without borders, no mouse menus, etc.  Sort of like when you press
> > Shift-F1 for xdm to login in safe mode.  Any help on actually getting the
> > menus, control center, etc would be really appreciated.
>
> Sounds like you have the same problem I was having. Your .xsession file isn't being used by /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession because the .xsession file is not executable. Maybe chmod +x ~/.xsession would correct the problem like it did for me.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> regards,
> syd.
>
>


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> Everything looks OK, except that there are no items except submenus
> under Desktop Preferences on the main menu.
> 
> Everything's there via Nautilus, and the quick look I took at the
> vfolder structure this morning didn't reveal any obvious issues.

Try deleting your ~/.gnome2/vfolders/ directory. The return of menu editing
causes some pain for people who've edited their menus in the betas or
manually.

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How about a list of packages that are installed by Garnome since the previous
release, or is there already a list that I did not see?

Also, at the bottom of the README:

   3.
file://localhost/home/jdub/src/cvs/gnome/garnome/website/root/download/?N=D
   4.
file://localhost/home/jdub/src/cvs/gnome/garnome/website/root/index.html#changelog
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file://localhost/home/jdub/src/cvs/gnome/garnome/website/root/index.html#configure

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> How about a list of packages that are installed by Garnome since the
> previous release, or is there already a list that I did not see?

I usually mention new garballs in the changelog.

> Also, at the bottom of the README:

Thanks, I'll sed these to what they should be. ;-)

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FS I mean Alien not Aliens.

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"Updated to GNOME 2.0.2 RC 1." doesn't tell me what packages are new :)

Jeff Waugh had the audacity to claim:

>> How about a list of packages that are installed by Garnome since the
>>previous release, or is there already a list that I did not see?
>
>I usually mention new garballs in the changelog.

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> "Updated to GNOME 2.0.2 RC 1." doesn't tell me what packages are new :)

There are no additional modules in GNOME 2.0.x releases. If you want to find
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OK. On what? :)

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>There are no additional modules in GNOME 2.0.x releases. If you want to find
>out exactly what was *updated*, run a diff.

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> OK. On what? :)

diff the old tarball against the new tarball...

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Jeff.

Any particular reason LD_LIBRARY_PATH changed in gar.conf.mk 0.15.1?  It 
now prepends /lib to LD_LIBRARY_PATH, which  just caused me some 
frustrating problems linking files in GARCHIVEDIR to the download dirs. 
Turns out this was occurring because my path has /usr/local/bin at the 
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upon shared lib versions contained in /usr/local/lib that supersede the 
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I would recommend not prepending /lib in the default gar.conf.mk.

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> Any particular reason LD_LIBRARY_PATH changed in gar.conf.mk 0.15.1?

Yeah, I brought it in from upstream. I didn't expect it to cause many
problems, but I can understand it would cause issues on commercial *nixes.

Will remove it for 0.15.1, thanks,

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OK, tell us all what this "upstream" thing is.

Jeff Waugh had the audacity to claim:

>Yeah, I brought it in from upstream. I didn't expect it to cause many problems,
>but I can understand it would cause issues on commercial *nixes.

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> OK, tell us all what this "upstream" thing is.

If you'd been following the list, you'd know it was GAR, Nick Moffit's ports
system based on GNU make, created for the LNX-BBC project.

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Oh, right :)

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>> OK, tell us all what this "upstream" thing is.
>
>If you'd been following the list, you'd know it was GAR, Nick Moffit's ports
>system based on GNU make, created for the LNX-BBC project.

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Here the one-liner I use for it:

  for dir in `ls garnome-0.12.1/gnome/`;do diff -u
garnome-0.12.1/gnome/$dir/Makefile garnome-0.15.0/gnome/$dir/Makefile >>
garnome15.diff;done


Since garnome 0.12.1 I just kept up to date with the packages released,
I stopped compiling the whole thing over and over.
And over time I included some packages not in garnome as well. :-)
With the above diff I check if I missed any packages.

-A.

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> > OK. On what? :)
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> diff the old tarball against the new tarball...
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Hi I am a newb to linux and unfamiliar with the instructions on the garnome 
website about chaning the path in order to boot into garnome when it is done 
building. Can anyone help explain what i should do when garnome is done 
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Hi Trenten,

On Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:36:52 -0400
"Trenten R. Healy"  wrote:

> Hi I am a newb to linux and unfamiliar with the instructions on the garnome 
> website about chaning the path in order to boot into garnome when it is done 
> building. Can anyone help explain what i should do when garnome is done 
> building? I am using the latest version of garnome, and redhat 7.3. If any one 
> has any helpful suggestions I appreciate it!

What I normally do is set these:

export GDK_USE_XFT=1
export PATH=$PATH:/path/to/garnome/bin
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path/to/garnome/lib
startx /path/to/garnome/bin/gnome-session

On some machines where I don't run gdm, I put the above into bash login
script:

case "`tty`" in
/dev/tty[0-9]+)
	whiptail --yesno "Do you want to start GNOME 2.0?" 9 50
	if [ $? -eq 0 ]; then
		export PATH=$PATH:/opt/gnome/bin
		export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/gnome/lib
		export GDK_USE_XFT=1
		startx /opt/gnome/bin/gnome-session
	fi
	;;
esac

and I don't bother with ~/.xsession or ~/.xinitrc primarily for personal
reasons.

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Last night I was trying to compile garnome for Redhat null and my first 
attempt failed.  I thought that this was because of the gcc 3.2 that null 
comes with so I downloaded/compiled/installed gcc 2.95.3.

Then before starting over I thought I should do a "make clean".  So I did 
and I got several warnings about not being unable to delete devices in my 
/dev/ directory because they were in use.  Very shortly after this my box 
went down hard and would not reboot.  I think something like a rm -rf /dev/* 
happened during the "make clean".  Fortunately since this null box was just 
to play around with anyway, nothing important was lost.

Now, I know there is nowhere in the garnome documentation that says I should 
ever do a "make clean".  However, it doesn't seem like a totally 
unreasonable thing to try if you want to start over from a failed build with 
a new compiler.  In any case, it doesn't seem like garnome should hose the 
entire system if someone makes this mistake.

In retrospect I think I maybe shouldn't have been doing this stuff as root 
but I think I actually need to be root to install garnome (at least I've had 
no luck otherwise in the past).

Anyway, no real damage done here but just a heads up on a problem developers 
may want to look at.  If I am totally wrong here let me know but the events 
I described above are exactly as they happened.



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Am I the only one who doesn't see *anything* in Nick Moffitt's messages?


Or is it just simply that I'm using Outlook?

Just curious
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hi,

I'm trying to install garnome 0.15 on my red hat 7.3 machine, but gtk+
fails because of the following error:

...
checking For sufficiently new FreeType (at least 2.0.1)... yes
configure: error: pangox Pango backend is required for x11 target
make: *** [configure-work/gtk+-2.0.6/configure] Error 1

I tried "make -k install" as suggested by someone on the gtk-list, but
that didn't work. pango.pc is right there in garnome/lib/pkgconfig.


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I see them.

Mike Taylor had the audacity to claim:

>Am I the only one who doesn't see *anything* in Nick Moffitt's messages?
>
>
>Or is it just simply that I'm using Outlook?
>
>Just curious

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On Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 04:16:43PM -0400, Mike Taylor wrote:
> Or is it just simply that I'm using Outlook?

Yes.

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Cool, thanks :)

I would have thought Mr. Waugh would have a list of the changed packages, since
he seems to program it...

Aschwin van der Woude had the audacity to claim:

>Here the one-liner I use for it:
>
>  for dir in `ls garnome-0.12.1/gnome/`;do diff -u
>garnome-0.12.1/gnome/$dir/Makefile garnome-0.15.0/gnome/$dir/Makefile >>
>garnome15.diff;done
>
>
>Since garnome 0.12.1 I just kept up to date with the packages released,
>I stopped compiling the whole thing over and over.
>And over time I included some packages not in garnome as well. :-)
>With the above diff I check if I missed any packages.
>
>-A.
>
>ti, 10-09-2002 kello 23:02, Jeff Waugh kirjoitti:
>> 
>>
>> > OK. On what? :)
>>
>> diff the old tarball against the new tarball...
>>
>> - Jeff
>>
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A better way to make the changes permanent would be to put
'/lib' into /etc/ld.so.conf. Make sure to run ldconfig after
that so the OS is aware of the change (or indeed reboot :)).

Put '/bin' in your path (export PATH=...), which will be in
/etc/profile. Also put 'export GDK_USE_XFT=1' at the bottom of that file.

If there's an 'exec' in your ~/.xinitrc, change it to read 'exec gnome-session'.
Either re-log in or 'source /etc/profile', then start X.

Or something.

Vichaya Sidhipong had the audacity to claim:

>On Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:36:52 -0400
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>> Hi I am a newb to linux and unfamiliar with the instructions on the garnome >
>website about chaning the path in order to boot into garnome when it is done >
>building. Can anyone help explain what i should do when garnome is done >
>building? I am using the latest version of garnome, and redhat 7.3. If any one
>> has any helpful suggestions I appreciate it!

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> I'm trying to install garnome 0.15 on my red hat 7.3 machine, but gtk+
> fails because of the following error:
> 
> ...
> checking For sufficiently new FreeType (at least 2.0.1)... yes
> configure: error: pangox Pango backend is required for x11 target
> make: *** [configure-work/gtk+-2.0.6/configure] Error 1

You need to install the X development packages, and rebuild pango. (Note
that pango must actually reconfigurem, so make clean ; make install it.)

- Jeff

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Getting following error when using GARNOME 0.15.0 on REDHAT 7.3 during 
GNOME 2 compilation.
Any hints???

********************************************************************
yelp-window.c: In function `window_populate':
yelp-window.c:265: `gettext' undeclared (first use in this function)
yelp-window.c:265: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
yelp-window.c:265: for each function it appears in.)
make[4]: *** [yelp-window.o] Error 1
make[4]: Leaving directory
`/tmp/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/yelp/work/yelp-1.0.6/src'
make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory
`/tmp/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/yelp/work/yelp-1.0.6'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/tmp/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/yelp/work/yelp-1.0.6'
make[1]: *** [build-work/yelp-1.0.6/Makefile] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/yelp'
make: *** [dep-../../gnome/yelp] Error 2

********************************************************************





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First off, great job with garnome, I love it.

Minor problem when trying to build gnome-fifth-toe, I get the following
error:

[===== NOW BUILDING:    quick-lounge-applet-0.87        =====]
        [fetch] complete for quick-lounge-applet.
 ==> Running checksum on quick-lounge-applet-0.87.tar.gz
2ac27e900fb072759ac284d5bd3a1855  download/quick-lounge-applet-0.87.tar.gz
download/quick-lounge-applet-0.87.tar.gz: FAILED
*** GAR GAR GAR!  quick-lounge-applet-0.87.tar.gz failed checksum test!  GAR GAR GAR! ***


This is 0.15.0, but I think it also happened on the previous release
too.

Any ideas?

thanks,

greg k-h

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> First off, great job with garnome, I love it.

Rock! Honoured. :-)

> [===== NOW BUILDING:    quick-lounge-applet-0.87        =====]
>         [fetch] complete for quick-lounge-applet.
>  ==> Running checksum on quick-lounge-applet-0.87.tar.gz
> 2ac27e900fb072759ac284d5bd3a1855  download/quick-lounge-applet-0.87.tar.gz
> download/quick-lounge-applet-0.87.tar.gz: FAILED
> *** GAR GAR GAR!  quick-lounge-applet-0.87.tar.gz failed checksum test!  GAR GAR GAR! ***
> 
> 
> This is 0.15.0, but I think it also happened on the previous release
> too.
> 
> Any ideas?

Yeah, seems the upstream source tarball changed... In the hope that it
hasn't been trojanned (I haven't diffed the tarballs yet), do this to build
it in the mean time:

  cd gnome/quick-lounge-applet
  make makesum

Then you're on your way again.

- Jeff

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On Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 09:40:52AM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> Yeah, seems the upstream source tarball changed... In the hope that it
> hasn't been trojanned (I haven't diffed the tarballs yet), do this to build
> it in the mean time:
> 
>   cd gnome/quick-lounge-applet
>   make makesum

Ah, thanks that works.

But hm, why would the upstream tarballs change?  Any pointer to an old
one that I can diff against to verify nothing "bad" is in it?

thanks again,

gregk -h

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Hi Clenio,

You should read the README file to make sure that you have all the required
packages before you build garnome.  In particular, the package you're
missing is "gettext".  Check with your distribution vendor for the exact
name of the package.

On 11 Sep 2002 20:27:00 -0300
Clenio Fonseca  wrote:

> Getting following error when using GARNOME 0.15.0 on REDHAT 7.3 during 
> GNOME 2 compilation.
> Any hints???
> 
> ********************************************************************
> yelp-window.c: In function `window_populate':
> yelp-window.c:265: `gettext' undeclared (first use in this function)
> yelp-window.c:265: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
> yelp-window.c:265: for each function it appears in.)
> make[4]: *** [yelp-window.o] Error 1
> make[4]: Leaving directory
> `/tmp/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/yelp/work/yelp-1.0.6/src'
> make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
> make[3]: Leaving directory
> `/tmp/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/yelp/work/yelp-1.0.6'
> make[2]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
> make[2]: Leaving directory
> `/tmp/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/yelp/work/yelp-1.0.6'
> make[1]: *** [build-work/yelp-1.0.6/Makefile] Error 2
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/yelp'
> make: *** [dep-../../gnome/yelp] Error 2
> 
> ********************************************************************
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> But hm, why would the upstream tarballs change?

Dunno, the author is pretty fresh, so he might have thought that adding a
small bugfix to an existing tarball was a good idea... Not sure.

> Any pointer to an old one that I can diff against to verify nothing "bad"
> is in it?

I cp'ed over my copy by mistake -> perhaps the best thing to do is ask the
author.

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hi, I'm pretty sure BUILD_CLEAN is broken in 0.15.0, though I'm not 100%
positive.  At the very least it doesn't work how it used to.  I don't have
a big enough hard drive to build garnome w/o it.  So if you could look
into that I'd appreciate it a lot.

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begin  Sean Proctor  quotation:
> hi, I'm pretty sure BUILD_CLEAN is broken in 0.15.0, though I'm not
> 100% positive.  At the very least it doesn't work how it used to.  I
> don't have a big enough hard drive to build garnome w/o it.  So if
> you could look into that I'd appreciate it a lot.

	Yeah.  Old BUILD_CLEAN was Jeff's, and it was a 0 or 1
setting.  My (upstream) BUILD_CLEAN uses an ifdef, so setting it to
ANYTHING causes it to happen.  Jeff merged mine in just before 0.15.

	What are you seeing?

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Could someone update the README to include use of the new system for the
download cache (file_sites => garchivedir) and "make garchive" please?


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Does anyone else have issues with libtool creating many many many 
duplicate library dependencies ??  I find in some packages (like 
gnome-vfs) that I'll have -L/somepathname -lnsl -lsocket (as examples) 
repeated over and over 30, 50, or 100 times for the same link.  Of 
course, many other times, they're only repeated 10 times or less.

It's so bad in some packages that I'll literally get so many repetitions 
of "-lnsl -lsocket" that the line length is exceeded and the script 
malfunctions as a result because the link line is not completed.  I 
finally had to start copying the libtool from gtk+-2.0.6 over into some 
packages, and even then had to hack it up so that it wouldn't loop 
endlessly.

Comments?

Larry
(Solaris 2.8, gcc-3.2, most common GNU packages installed)


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For that matter, and perhaps libtool's not the culprit on this, in many 
if not most packages I see my CFLAGS being repeated 3, 4, 10 times in a 
row during compilation of each file.  I can appreciate wearing a belt 
and suspenders, but can't understand the ad nauseam repetition.  

Again, is this something everyone else is seeing, or is it perhaps just 
related to my non-Linux system?  I find that hard to believe, given how 
generic GNU make and libtool are meant to be.

Larry McQueary wrote:

> Does anyone else have issues with libtool creating many many many 
> duplicate library dependencies ??  I find in some packages (like 
> gnome-vfs) that I'll have -L/somepathname -lnsl -lsocket (as examples) 
> repeated over and over 30, 50, or 100 times for the same link.  Of 
> course, many other times, they're only repeated 10 times or less.
>
> It's so bad in some packages that I'll literally get so many 
> repetitions of "-lnsl -lsocket" that the line length is exceeded and 
> the script malfunctions as a result because the link line is not 
> completed.  I finally had to start copying the libtool from gtk+-2.0.6 
> over into some packages, and even then had to hack it up so that it 
> wouldn't loop endlessly.
>
> Comments?
>
> Larry
> (Solaris 2.8, gcc-3.2, most common GNU packages installed)
>


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gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I../.. 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include/glib-2.0 
-I/home/larry/garnome/lib/glib-2.0/include 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 
-I/home/larry/garnome/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include/orbit-2.0 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include/libxml2 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include/linc-1.0 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include/gnome-vfs-module-2.0 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include/libbonobo-2.0 
-DSERVERDIR=\"/home/larry/garnome/libexec\" 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include -I/usr/local/X11R6/include 
-I/usr/local/openssl/include -I/home/larry/garnome/include 
-I/usr/local/X11R6/include -I/usr/local/openssl/include 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include -I/usr/local/X11R6/include 
-I/usr/local/openssl/include -I/home/larry/garnome/include 
-I/usr/local/X11R6/include -I/usr/local/openssl/include 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include -I/usr/local/X11R6/include 
-I/usr/local/openssl/include -I/home/larry/garnome/include 
-I/usr/local/X11R6/include -L/home/larry/garnome/lib 
-L/usr/local/X11R6/lib -I/usr/local/openssl/include -O2 -pipe -g 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include -I/usr/local/X11R6/include 
-L/home/larry/garnome/lib -L/usr/local/X11R6/lib 
-I/usr/local/openssl/include -O2 -pipe -g -I/home/larry/garnome/include 
-I/usr/local/X11R6/include -L/home/larry/garnome/lib 
-L/usr/local/X11R6/lib -I/usr/local/openssl/include -O2 -pipe -g 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include -I/usr/local/X11R6/include 
-L/home/larry/garnome/lib -L/usr/local/X11R6/lib 
-I/usr/local/openssl/include -O2 -pipe -g -I/home/larry/garnome/include 
-I/usr/local/X11R6/include -L/home/larry/garnome/lib 
-L/usr/local/X11R6/lib -I/usr/local/openssl/include -O2 -pipe -c 
help-method.c  -fPIC -DPIC -o help-method.lo
/usr/local/bin/bash ../../libtool --mode=link gcc  
-I/home/larry/garnome/include -I/usr/local/X11R6/include 
-L/home/larry/garnome/lib -L/usr/local/X11R6/lib 
-I/usr/local/openssl/include -O2 -pipe -g -I/home/larry/garnome/include 
-I/usr/local/X11R6/include -L/home/larry/garnome/lib 
-L/usr/local/X11R6/lib -I/usr/local/openssl/include -O2 -pipe -g 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include -I/usr/local/X11R6/include 
-L/home/larry/garnome/lib -L/usr/local/X11R6/lib 
-I/usr/local/openssl/include -O2 -pipe -g -I/home/larry/garnome/include 
-I/usr/local/X11R6/include -L/home/larry/garnome/lib 
-L/usr/local/X11R6/lib -I/usr/local/openssl/include -O2 -pipe -g 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include -I/usr/local/X11R6/include 
-L/home/larry/garnome/lib -L/usr/local/X11R6/lib 
-I/usr/local/openssl/include -O2 -pipe -L/home/larry/garnome/lib 
-L/usr/local/X11R6/lib -L/usr/local/openssl/lib 
-L/home/larry/garnome/lib -L/usr/local/X11R6/lib 
-L/usr/local/openssl/lib -L/home/larry/garnome/lib 
-L/usr/local/X11R6/lib -L/usr/local/openssl/lib 
-L/home/larry/garnome/lib -L/usr/local/X11R6/lib 
-L/usr/local/openssl/lib -L/home/larry/garnome/lib 
-L/usr/local/X11R6/lib -L/usr/local/openssl/lib -o libvfs-help.la -rpath 
/home/larry/garnome/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/modules -export_dynamic 
-avoid-version help-method.lo -L/home/larry/garnome/lib -lgnomevfs-2 
-lbonobo-2 -lbonobo-activation -lORBit-2 -lxml2 -lz -lm -lsocket -lnsl 
-llinc -lgmodule-2.0 -ldl -lgobject-2.0 -lgthread-2.0 -lthread 
-lglib-2.0 -lintl -liconv   -lpopt  -liconv


ARGH!!!

Larry

Larry McQueary wrote:

> For that matter, and perhaps libtool's not the culprit on this, in 
> many if not most packages I see my CFLAGS being repeated 3, 4, 10 
> times in a row during compilation of each file.  I can appreciate 
> wearing a belt and suspenders, but can't understand the ad nauseam 
> repetition. 
> Again, is this something everyone else is seeing, or is it perhaps 
> just related to my non-Linux system?  I find that hard to believe, 
> given how generic GNU make and libtool are meant to be.
>
> Larry McQueary wrote:
>
>> Does anyone else have issues with libtool creating many many many 
>> duplicate library dependencies ??  I find in some packages (like 
>> gnome-vfs) that I'll have -L/somepathname -lnsl -lsocket (as 
>> examples) repeated over and over 30, 50, or 100 times for the same 
>> link.  Of course, many other times, they're only repeated 10 times or 
>> less.
>>
>> It's so bad in some packages that I'll literally get so many 
>> repetitions of "-lnsl -lsocket" that the line length is exceeded and 
>> the script malfunctions as a result because the link line is not 
>> completed.  I finally had to start copying the libtool from 
>> gtk+-2.0.6 over into some packages, and even then had to hack it up 
>> so that it wouldn't loop endlessly.
>>
>> Comments?
>>
>> Larry
>> (Solaris 2.8, gcc-3.2, most common GNU packages installed)
>>
>
>


From weidmans@mts.net  Thu Sep 12 01:58:26 2002
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Wondering if I need to be root to do make install for gimp-print. I know 
most of the other packages can be installed as a user, since they get 
installed in $HOME/garnome. If I install gimp-print as root will it mess 
up my cups installation?

I get the following errors:

make[6]: Entering directory 
`/home/gnome2/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/gimp-print/work/gimp-print-4.2.2-rc2/src/cups'
make[7]: Entering directory 
`/home/gnome2/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/gimp-print/work/gimp-print-4.2.2-rc2/src/cups'
/bin/sh ../../scripts/mkinstalldirs /home/gnome2/garnome/bin
 /bin/sh ../../libtool  --mode=install /usr/bin/install -c  
cups-calibrate /home/gnome2/garnome/bin/cups-calibrate
/usr/bin/install -c cups-calibrate /home/gnome2/garnome/bin/cups-calibrate
/bin/sh ../../scripts/mkinstalldirs /usr/lib/cups/backend
 /bin/sh ../../libtool  --mode=install /usr/bin/install -c  epson 
/usr/lib/cups/backend/epson
/usr/bin/install -c epson /usr/lib/cups/backend/epson
/usr/bin/install: cannot remove `/usr/lib/cups/backend/epson': 
Permission denied /bin/sh ../../libtool  --mode=install /usr/bin/install 
-c  canon /usr/lib/cups/backend/canon
/usr/bin/install -c canon /usr/lib/cups/backend/canon
/usr/bin/install: cannot remove `/usr/lib/cups/backend/canon': 
Permission deniedmake[7]: *** [install-cupsexec_backendPROGRAMS] Error 1
make[7]: Leaving directory 
`/home/gnome2/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/gimp-print/work/gimp-print-4.2.2-rc2/src/cups'
make[6]: *** [install-am] Error 2
make[6]: Leaving directory 
`/home/gnome2/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/gimp-print/work/gimp-print-4.2.2-rc2/src/cups'
make[5]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
make[5]: Leaving directory 
`/home/gnome2/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/gimp-print/work/gimp-print-4.2.2-rc2/src'



regards,
syd.


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I'm seeing GARNOME take up *a lot* of space.  I could try to build it
again...  The old one deleted the work directory after it finished
building each package, the new one doesn't do this.

Sean

On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Nick Moffitt wrote:

> begin  Sean Proctor  quotation:
> > hi, I'm pretty sure BUILD_CLEAN is broken in 0.15.0, though I'm not
> > 100% positive.  At the very least it doesn't work how it used to.  I
> > don't have a big enough hard drive to build garnome w/o it.  So if
> > you could look into that I'd appreciate it a lot.
>
> 	Yeah.  Old BUILD_CLEAN was Jeff's, and it was a 0 or 1
> setting.  My (upstream) BUILD_CLEAN uses an ifdef, so setting it to
> ANYTHING causes it to happen.  Jeff merged mine in just before 0.15.
>
> 	What are you seeing?
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begin  Sean Proctor  quotation:
> I'm seeing GARNOME take up *a lot* of space.  I could try to build it
> again...  The old one deleted the work directory after it finished
> building each package, the new one doesn't do this.

What did you do with your BUILD_CLEAN variable?

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> Wondering if I need to be root to do make install for gimp-print. I know 
> most of the other packages can be installed as a user, since they get 
> installed in $HOME/garnome. If I install gimp-print as root will it mess 
> up my cups installation?

Don't bother, it's just being poopie - I meant to disable it in the 0.15.0
garball, but it uses non-standard configure flags, and I chose the wrong
one.

Basically, s/--disable-cups/--without-cups/ in the gimp-print Makefile, then
rebuild (make clean ; make install).

- Jeff

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> For that matter, and perhaps libtool's not the culprit on this, in many 
> if not most packages I see my CFLAGS being repeated 3, 4, 10 times in a 
> row during compilation of each file.  I can appreciate wearing a belt 
> and suspenders, but can't understand the ad nauseam repetition.  
> 
> Again, is this something everyone else is seeing, or is it perhaps just 
> related to my non-Linux system?  I find that hard to believe, given how 
> generic GNU make and libtool are meant to be.

Okay, the CFLAGS issue I believe is mine, however the libtool issue is
simply long standing hideousness. ;-) Happens on every platform.

- Jeff

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> Could someone update the README to include use of the new system for the
> download cache (file_sites => garchivedir) and "make garchive" please?

I'd like to do a big documentation update some time, but I'm pretty flat out
doing other things. If you would like to spend the time adding / modifying
the documentation (please modify index.html from the website, rather than
the README file itself), I would appreciate it enormously.

Thanks,

- Jeff

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Am Thu, 12 Sep 2002 20:37:38 +1000
Jeff Waugh  schrieb:

> Okay, the CFLAGS issue I believe is mine, however the libtool issue is
> simply long standing hideousness. ;-) Happens on every platform.

Hi

IIRC there is a patch for that in the RedHat RPM for libtool.

> - Jeff

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I uncommented the line that said to be uncommented, so BUILD_CLEAN = true

Sean

On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Nick Moffitt wrote:

> begin  Sean Proctor  quotation:
> > I'm seeing GARNOME take up *a lot* of space.  I could try to build it
> > again...  The old one deleted the work directory after it finished
> > building each package, the new one doesn't do this.
>
> What did you do with your BUILD_CLEAN variable?
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Hi folks,

I just built garnome 0.15 on one of my machines and I noticed that the menu
is a lot shorter than it used to be :->  The desktop's "Applications" menu
doesn't seem to have any apps in it, no games, no internet apps, etc. even-
though the apps are physically present (have been compiled correctly).

Is this a known issue or am I doing something wrong?  0.14.1 was just fine.

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Hi all: I installed garnome 0.15.0 last night. I am still having problems
with gnome-panel. I lost my bottom panel 2 or 3 garnomes ago and have
been trying to replace it ever since. I was able to add a panel this
time but it is only 2 inches wide! And I can not get it any wider? I
still think the work place switcher also has a bug in it. It will not
let me have my 8 work places I like to have. And help still crashes on
me also?

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> Hi all: I installed garnome 0.15.0 last night. I am still having problems
> with gnome-panel. I lost my bottom panel 2 or 3 garnomes ago and have been
> trying to replace it ever since. I was able to add a panel this time but
> it is only 2 inches wide! And I can not get it any wider?

Right click on the panel, choose 'New Panel'. Each submenu there creates a
different kind of panel. Sounds like you want an edge panel.

> I still think the work place switcher also has a bug in it. It will not
> let me have my 8 work places I like to have.

How are you setting up your workspaces?

> And help still crashes on me also?

If it crashes, and you've built with debugging compiled in (as per default),
make sure you submit backtraces to bugzilla via bug-buddy (the crash dialog
will ask you to).

- Jeff

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> I've managed to get X to attemp to use gnome2.  Here is the problem I get
> immedietly at login:
> 
> Please contact your system administrator to resolve the following problem:
> Could not resolve the address
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> "/home/mark/garnome/etc/gconf/2/path": Failed: Could not make directory
> `/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory': No such file or directory

Remove these from your garnome/etc/gconf/2/path file.

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  When using make install, I get the following error in pkgconfig :

make[5]: Entering directory `/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/glib'
[=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D NOW BUILDING:    glib-2.0.6      =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D]
         [fetch] complete for glib.
         [checksum] complete for glib.
         [extract] complete for glib.
         [patch] complete for glib.
  =3D=3D> Building gnome/pkgconfig as a dependency
make[6]: Entering directory =
`/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/pkgconfig'
[=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D NOW BUILDING:    pkgconfig-0.12.0        =
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D]
         [fetch] complete for pkgconfig.
         [checksum] complete for pkgconfig.
         [extract] complete for pkgconfig.
         [patch] complete for pkgconfig.
  =3D=3D> Running configure in work/pkgconfig-0.12.0
configure: warning: /bin: invalid host type
configure: warning: /sbin: invalid host type
configure: error: can only configure for one host and one target at a =
time
make[6]: *** [configure-work/pkgconfig-0.12.0/configure] Error 1
make[6]: Leaving directory =
`/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/pkgconfig'
make[5]: *** [dep-../../gnome/pkgconfig] Error 2
make[5]: Leaving directory `/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/glib'
make[4]: *** [dep-../../gnome/glib] Error 2
make[4]: Leaving directory `/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/atk'
make[3]: *** [dep-../../gnome/atk] Error 2
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/gtk+'
make[2]: *** [dep-../../gnome/gtk+] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory=20
`/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/misc/redhat-artwork'
make[1]: *** [install] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/misc'
make: *** [install] Error 2
[root@l-at6122 garnome-0.15.0]#

  Help !

	Fabrice
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`/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/glib'


[=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D NOW BUILDING:    =
glib-2.0.6      =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D]


         =
[fetch] complete for glib.


         =
[checksum] complete for glib.


         =
[extract] complete for glib.


         =
[patch] complete for glib.


  =3D=3D> Building gnome/pkgconfig as a =
dependency


make[6]: Entering directory =
`/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/pkgconfig'


[=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D NOW BUILDING:    =
pkgconfig-0.12.0        =
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D]


         =
[fetch] complete for pkgconfig.


         =
[checksum] complete for pkgconfig.


         =
[extract] complete for pkgconfig.


         =
[patch] complete for pkgconfig.


  =3D=3D> Running configure in =
work/pkgconfig-0.12.0


configure: warning: /bin: invalid host type


configure: warning: /sbin: invalid host type


configure: error: can only configure for one host and =
one target at a time


make[6]: *** =
[configure-work/pkgconfig-0.12.0/configure] Error 1


make[6]: Leaving directory =
`/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/pkgconfig'


make[5]: *** [dep-../../gnome/pkgconfig] Error =
2


make[5]: Leaving directory =
`/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/glib'


make[4]: *** [dep-../../gnome/glib] Error 2


make[4]: Leaving directory =
`/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/atk'


make[3]: *** [dep-../../gnome/atk] Error 2


make[3]: Leaving directory =
`/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/gtk+'


make[2]: *** [dep-../../gnome/gtk+] Error 2


make[2]: Leaving directory 


`/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/misc/redhat-artwork'


make[1]: *** [install] Error 2


make[1]: Leaving directory =
`/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/misc'


make: *** [install] Error 2


[root@l-at6122 garnome-0.15.0]#




  Help !




        Fabrice


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Hi

While building 0.15, I noticed that it was building freetype 2.1.2 even
though freetype 2.1.2 was already installed (albiet in /usr prefix - and
Garnome previx is /opt/gnome2). Is it possible to make Garnome use the
system freetype if available ?

Thanks in advance.

Rgds,
Biswa.




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while on the topic of panels... how come the panel that starts at the top
of gnome2 by default can't have its properties changed?  and if I delete
it, it's pretty impossible to recreate.

Sean


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> while on the topic of panels... how come the panel that starts at the top
> of gnome2 by default can't have its properties changed?

That's the menu panel - it has no properties.

> and if I delete it, it's pretty impossible to recreate.

If you delete it, you must have another panel running (or you're no longer
running gnome-panel at all, because you can't delete the last panel within
the user interface). Right click on the panel > New Panel > Menu Panel.

Done.

- Jeff

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Hi Vichaya

Thanks for your help.I checked with Redhat but couldn't find the
required package to run Garnome on Redhat 7.3.

Do you know where I can find them??

Regards

Clenio


On Wed, 2002-09-11 at 21:07, Vichaya Sidhipong wrote:
> Hi Clenio,
>=20
> You should read the README file to make sure that you have all the requir=
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> missing is "gettext".  Check with your distribution vendor for the exact
> name of the package.
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> On 11 Sep 2002 20:27:00 -0300
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> > yelp-window.c: In function `window_populate':
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> > yelp-window.c:265: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
> > yelp-window.c:265: for each function it appears in.)
> > make[4]: *** [yelp-window.o] Error 1
> > make[4]: Leaving directory
> > `/tmp/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/yelp/work/yelp-1.0.6/src'
> > make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
> > make[3]: Leaving directory
> > `/tmp/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/yelp/work/yelp-1.0.6'
> > make[2]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
> > make[2]: Leaving directory
> > `/tmp/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/yelp/work/yelp-1.0.6'
> > make[1]: *** [build-work/yelp-1.0.6/Makefile] Error 2
> > make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/yelp'
> > make: *** [dep-../../gnome/yelp] Error 2
> >=20
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> >=20
> >=20
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> Thanks for your help.I checked with Redhat but couldn't find the
> required package to run Garnome on Redhat 7.3.
> 
> Do you know where I can find them??

The GNOME 2.0 Desktop release notes:

  http://www.gnome.org/start/2.0/

- Jeff

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Been wondering whats up with this domain for a while now. I'm pretty 
sure it's been down for over a month at least. Can't seem to find 
gtk-cleanice anywhere else either.......If anyone has the cleanice 
package, I'll post it up! Not a big deal, just wanted to see if anyone 
knew the scoop.

Jeff - I noticed gnomeicu slipped in recently, are you just tossing in 
packages that work good, or do you have some criteria they have to meet? 
Balsa, gFTP, Gnomemeeting are some apps that come to mind that would be 
great addition to the mix.


Ryan Quarry


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> Been wondering whats up with this domain for a while now. I'm pretty sure
> it's been down for over a month at least. Can't seem to find gtk-cleanice
> anywhere else either.......If anyone has the cleanice package, I'll post
> it up! Not a big deal, just wanted to see if anyone knew the scoop.

Oh. See, I use a GARCHIVE, which means I sometimes don't find out about
download issues... I'll have to ask dobey what he's doing with cleanice.

> Jeff - I noticed gnomeicu slipped in recently, are you just tossing in
> packages that work good, or do you have some criteria they have to meet?
> Balsa, gFTP, Gnomemeeting are some apps that come to mind that would be
> great addition to the mix.

Balsa hasn't been added yet because the current tarball release doesn't
build / work reliably enough for me to put it in yet (libesmtp is in the
misc directory however, so it's ready to go when Balsa is), gFTP isn't in
because I hadn't thought of it yet, thanks for the suggestion! :)
GnomeMeeting isn't in yet because it has annoyingly hard to build
dependencies, and because they're 'weird', I'd like to distribute them with
GARNOME to make life easy for everyone.

- Jeff

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Hello Garnome,
I've just installed Garnome/Gnome2. I did this as root and it has install=
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as root?
If it's wrong can it be fixed? anndd.......
If it's correct - how do I get it working on my Mandrake 8.2 system?
Many Thanks
Richard

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Due to the permissions of /root/, only root will be able to run gnome2,
it's probably a better idea to build it as another user.

Alex

On Sat, 2002-09-14 at 20:24, Richard Bond wrote:
> Hello Garnome,
> I've just installed Garnome/Gnome2. I did this as root and it has installed to 
> "file/root/garnome". I'm wondering if this is correct or will gnome2 only run 
> as root?
> If it's wrong can it be fixed? anndd.......
> If it's correct - how do I get it working on my Mandrake 8.2 system?
> Many Thanks
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you can chmod o+rx /root, that should solve your problems... you basically
just need to make sure everyone has read access to the files (as far as I
know).

if you want GNOME2 to be available to all users and you don't want it in
/root, you're probably better off putting in in /opt/garnome or
/usr/local/garnome rather than just a different user's home directory.

Sean

On 14 Sep 2002, Alex Duggan wrote:

> Due to the permissions of /root/, only root will be able to run gnome2,
> it's probably a better idea to build it as another user.
>
> Alex
>
> On Sat, 2002-09-14 at 20:24, Richard Bond wrote:
> > Hello Garnome,
> > I've just installed Garnome/Gnome2. I did this as root and it has installed to
> > "file/root/garnome". I'm wondering if this is correct or will gnome2 only run
> > as root?
> > If it's wrong can it be fixed? anndd.......
> > If it's correct - how do I get it working on my Mandrake 8.2 system?
> > Many Thanks
> > Richard
> > --
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> > garnome-list@gnome.org
> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/garnome-list
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> My question is how do I uninstall the Ximian version of Gnome.

Remove the packages, not really on-topic for this list.

> I'm guessing all that is required to remove garnome is to delete
> $HOME/garnome?

Yes.

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GARNOME 0.16.0: "Hot Morning Furnace"
=====================================

GARNOME - the bad-ass, bleeding edge GNOME distribution for testers and
tweakers everywhere. If you're dying to test the latest GNOME 2.0 Desktop
releases, but don't want to fall into the depraved addictions and
co-dependencies of testing from anonymous CVS, then GARNOME is for you.

[ In other words, GARNOME is a build system for GNOME 2.x which includes the
developer platform and desktop releases, as well as a host of other software
ported to the GNOME 2.x platform. Everything is as easy to build as 'make
install'. We call it a 'distribution' because it's sanity-tested and often
patched before release, for your convenience and enjoyment. ;-) ]


What's New?
-----------

  * Updated to GNOME 2.0.2.
  
  * Added: koffice - the KDE office suite, mergeant - what used to be
    gnome-db.
  
  * Fixed: Mess in category files.
  
  * Fixed: gimp-print's CUPS stuff was attempting to install out of prefix.
    Fixed the hard way.
  
  * Fixed: quick-lounge-applets uncommented. ;-)
  
  * Fixed: Disabled -Werror -Wall on rhythmbox and gst-plugins, thanks to
    ajmitch.
 

Where Do I Get It?
------------------

The tarball and documentation [1] are available on the GARNOME website:

  http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/garnome/


Enjoy G2D and GARNOME. :-)

- Jeff

[1] People who don't read the documentation tend to look pretty silly on
garnome-list and in #garnome.

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Hi,

I ran:

# apt-get install gnome2 -t experimental

And got:

Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.

Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
that package should be filed.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies:
  gnome2: Depends: gnome-control-center2 but it is not going to be
  installed
          Depends: gnome-applets2 but it is not going to be installed
          Depends: gnome-panel2 but it is not going to be
	          installed
          Depends: nautilus2 but it is not going
		  to be installed

E: Sorry, broken packages

Anything I can do to get over this?

TIA.


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My experience is the same - for instance bonobo-config:
dunadan:/home/kerka# apt-cache show bonobo-config
Package: bonobo-config
Priority: optional
Section: devel
Installed-Size: 284
Maintainer: Takuo KITAME 
Architecture: i386
Version: 0.106.0-6
Depends: libbonobo-activation4 (>= 0.9.5), libbonobo-config0 (>=
0.106.0), libbonobo2-0 (>= 1.112.0), libc6 (>= 2.2.4-4), libglib1.3-15
(>= 1.3.15), liblinc1 (>= 0.1.18), liborbit2 (>= 2.3.105), libpopt0 (>=
1.6.2-1), libxml2 (>= 2.4.0-1), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.3)
Filename: pool/main/b/bonobo-config/bonobo-config_0.106.0-6_i386.deb
Size: 33276
MD5sum: 241413e41cf148d8ee6a17a5bd2f4fcc
Description: The Bonobo Configuration System for GNOME2
 The Bonobo Configuration System (BCS) consists of several parts. An API
to
 access configuration data, a database to store configuration values in
XML
 format and a system to visualise and edit configuration data.
 The whole system is built on top of bonobo and ORBit (CORBA)

dunadan:/home/kerka# apt-get -u -t experimental install bonobo-config
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.

Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
that package should be filed.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies:
  bonobo-config: Depends: libglib1.3-15 (>= 1.3.15) but it is not
installable
E: Sorry, broken packages

My two questions:
1. where can I find missing packages?
2. is anywhere list of all needed packages?

I have gnome-control-center2 installed:
dunadan:/home/kerka# dpkg -l gnome-control-center*
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
|
Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err:
uppercase=bad)
||/ Name           Version        Description
+++-==============-==============-============================================
pn  gnome-control-          (no description available)
un  gnome-control-          (no description available)
ii  gnome-control- 2.0.1.1-1      The GNOME Control Center for GNOME 2
.
BUT when I run gnome 2 I can't find it in menu, but i can run it from
terminal. I must have something missing ...
Thanks for zour help, folks ...
Vlada


On Sun, 2002-09-15 at 20:13, the jackol wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I ran:
> 
> # apt-get install gnome2 -t experimental
> 
> And got:
> 
> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
> or been moved out of Incoming.
> 
> Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
> the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
> that package should be filed.
> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
> 
> Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies:
>   gnome2: Depends: gnome-control-center2 but it is not going to be
>   installed
>           Depends: gnome-applets2 but it is not going to be installed
>           Depends: gnome-panel2 but it is not going to be
> 	          installed
>           Depends: nautilus2 but it is not going
> 		  to be installed
> 
> E: Sorry, broken packages
> 
> Anything I can do to get over this?
> 
> TIA.
> 
> 
> -- 
> The best book on programming for the layman is "Alice in Wonderland";
> but that's because it's the best book on anything for the layman.
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> I ran:
> 
> # apt-get install gnome2 -t experimental
> 
> And got:

Dude. This is garnome-list@gnome.org. Not debian-gtk-gnome@lists.debian.org.

Kapish?

Thanks,

- Jeff

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It's nice of you that you tried so hard to help and not to give
"emperor's advices" ...
Vlada
On Sun, 2002-09-15 at 21:04, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> 
> > I ran:
> > 
> > # apt-get install gnome2 -t experimental
> > 
> > And got:
> 
> Dude. This is garnome-list@gnome.org. Not debian-gtk-gnome@lists.debian.org.
> 
> Kapish?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> - Jeff
> 
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> It's nice of you that you tried so hard to help and not to give
> "emperor's advices" ...

It's off topic for this list. I happen to use Debian myself, but most
GARNOME users don't, so they're not interested in questions that are
completely unrelated to it.

Thanks,

- Jeff

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                      far as films go." - Cody Russell                      

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From what I understand, Jeff did try to help.  He pointed to a list that
has some relevence to the problem this person was having.  I'm sure people
at that list could help much more than anyone here.  I've found most of
Jeff's criticisms of people rather witty and not particularly harsh.
Anyway, keep up the great work!

Sean

PS was BUILD_CLEAN fixed in 0.16.0?  Has anyone witnessed it being broken
since the merge with upstream GAR?

On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, Jeff Waugh wrote:

> 
>
> > It's nice of you that you tried so hard to help and not to give
> > "emperor's advices" ...
>
> It's off topic for this list. I happen to use Debian myself, but most
> GARNOME users don't, so they're not interested in questions that are
> completely unrelated to it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> - Jeff
>
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>                       far as films go." - Cody Russell
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Hi. I currently have garnome 0.14.1 installed. I want to install garnome
0.16.1. I'm wondering if there is a way to make it just download and
compile the things that have changed, rather than the whole thing again. I
have a P166 so you can imagine how long it would take!

Thanks.

- Jason


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Dear Jeff,

Thanks for this new release.

It compiled in about 3 hours on a Athlon 1200 with 768MB of memory, I'll 
try to send you some detailed information on the next compile.

I'm using the athlon optimizations for GCC 3.2. After compilation I've 
got 407MB of software. It might be time to update the webpage slightly 
as we are now 180MB above the 225MB advertised there. I'm still enjoying 
this great gnome development even after the 10th recompile sinceI've 
started using garnome just to keep up with the various releases and 
improvements you've made to this package :-)

Thanks and keep e'm coming

Stef

Jeff Waugh wrote:

>GARNOME 0.16.0: "Hot Morning Furnace"
>=====================================
>
>GARNOME - the bad-ass, bleeding edge GNOME distribution for testers and
>tweakers everywhere. If you're dying to test the latest GNOME 2.0 Desktop
>releases, but don't want to fall into the depraved addictions and
>co-dependencies of testing from anonymous CVS, then GARNOME is for you.
>
>[ In other words, GARNOME is a build system for GNOME 2.x which includes the
>developer platform and desktop releases, as well as a host of other software
>ported to the GNOME 2.x platform. Everything is as easy to build as 'make
>install'. We call it a 'distribution' because it's sanity-tested and often
>patched before release, for your convenience and enjoyment. ;-) ]
>
>
>What's New?
>-----------
>
>  * Updated to GNOME 2.0.2.
>  
>  * Added: koffice - the KDE office suite, mergeant - what used to be
>    gnome-db.
>  
>  * Fixed: Mess in category files.
>  
>  * Fixed: gimp-print's CUPS stuff was attempting to install out of prefix.
>    Fixed the hard way.
>  
>  * Fixed: quick-lounge-applets uncommented. ;-)
>  
>  * Fixed: Disabled -Werror -Wall on rhythmbox and gst-plugins, thanks to
>    ajmitch.
> 
>
>Where Do I Get It?
>------------------
>
>The tarball and documentation [1] are available on the GARNOME website:
>
>  http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/garnome/
>
>
>Enjoy G2D and GARNOME. :-)
>
>- Jeff
>
>[1] People who don't read the documentation tend to look pretty silly on
>garnome-list and in #garnome.
>
>  
>




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While compiling the fifth-toe applicatons, the cups stuff tried to remove some
files in /usr/lib/cups which obviously failed.

I'm using RH7.3 on an Athlon, and I haven't installed since the 0.13.1 days (I
feel so far behind!).  Anyway, to get past it, I had to su to root, do the
install, and then cancel when the next one started.  At which point I was able
to finish the "make install" in the fifth-toe directory.

Here's the stuff it whined about:

Making install in cups
make[6]: Entering directory
`/usr/local/src/garnome-0.16.1/gnome/gimp-print/work/gimp-print-4.2.2-rc2/src/cups'
make[7]: Entering directory
`/usr/local/src/garnome-0.16.1/gnome/gimp-print/work/gimp-print-4.2.2-rc2/src/cups'
/bin/sh ../../scripts/mkinstalldirs /home/yorgasor/garnome/bin
 /bin/sh ../../libtool  --mode=install /usr/bin/install -c  cups-calibrate
/home/yorgasor/garnome/bin/cups-calibrate
/usr/bin/install -c cups-calibrate /home/yorgasor/garnome/bin/cups-calibrate
/bin/sh ../../scripts/mkinstalldirs /usr/lib/cups/backend
 /bin/sh ../../libtool  --mode=install /usr/bin/install -c  epson
/usr/lib/cups/backend/epson
/usr/bin/install -c epson /usr/lib/cups/backend/epson
/usr/bin/install: cannot remove `/usr/lib/cups/backend/epson': Permission
denied
 /bin/sh ../../libtool  --mode=install /usr/bin/install -c  canon
/usr/lib/cups/backend/canon
/usr/bin/install -c canon /usr/lib/cups/backend/canon
/usr/bin/install: cannot remove `/usr/lib/cups/backend/canon': Permission
denied
make[7]: *** [install-cupsexec_backendPROGRAMS] Error 1
make[7]: Leaving directory
`/usr/local/src/garnome-0.16.1/gnome/gimp-print/work/gimp-print-4.2.2-rc2/src/cups'
make[6]: *** [install-am] Error 2
make[6]: Leaving directory
`/usr/local/src/garnome-0.16.1/gnome/gimp-print/work/gimp-print-4.2.2-rc2/src/cups'
make[5]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
make[5]: Leaving directory
`/usr/local/src/garnome-0.16.1/gnome/gimp-print/work/gimp-print-4.2.2-rc2/src'
make[4]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
make[4]: Leaving directory
`/usr/local/src/garnome-0.16.1/gnome/gimp-print/work/gimp-print-4.2.2-rc2'
make[3]: *** [install-work/gimp-print-4.2.2-rc2/Makefile] Error 2
make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/garnome-0.16.1/gnome/gimp-print'
make[2]: *** [dep-../../gnome/gimp-print] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/garnome-0.16.1/gnome/gimp'
make[1]: *** [dep-../../gnome/gimp] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/garnome-0.16.1/gnome/gimp-freetype'
make: *** [dep-../../gnome/gimp-freetype] Error 2


/*============================================================================
 * Ron Yorgason, DORK
 * Doctor Of Random Knowledge
 * yorgasor@cs.pdx.edu		yorgasor@yorgalily.org
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> From what I understand, Jeff did try to help.  He pointed to a list that
> has some relevence to the problem this person was having.  I'm sure people
> at that list could help much more than anyone here.  I've found most of
> Jeff's criticisms of people rather witty and not particularly harsh.

Heh, yes, they're generally meant to be taken lightly. Except for the LFS
jokes. They're usually deadly serious, like a clown holding a nuclear
physicist to your head.

> PS was BUILD_CLEAN fixed in 0.16.0?  Has anyone witnessed it being broken
> since the merge with upstream GAR?

Setting it to anything should make it work...

- Jeff

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> While compiling the fifth-toe applicatons, the cups stuff tried to remove some
> files in /usr/lib/cups which obviously failed.

It's trying to install stuff, rather than remove stuff. This is very
annoying, I was sure I'd fixed this for this release... Will try to work it
out with the gimp-print dudes some time.

Thanks,

- Jeff

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> Hi. I currently have garnome 0.14.1 installed. I want to install garnome
> 0.16.1. I'm wondering if there is a way to make it just download and
> compile the things that have changed, rather than the whole thing again. I
> have a P166 so you can imagine how long it would take!

Not right now, though you can use a cache of the stuff you've downloaded ->
see the GARCHIVE variable in gar.conf.mk.

I'm going to work on minimal-compile upgrade stuff soon.

- Jeff

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On Mon, 2002-09-16 at 05:04, Jeff Waugh wrote:

> It's trying to install stuff, rather than remove stuff. This is very
> annoying, I was sure I'd fixed this for this release... Will try to work it
> out with the gimp-print dudes some time.

the gimp-print/Makefile for 0.16.1 did not contain the configure switch.
And if I didn't make a stupid mistake, for me only --with-cups=no works,
not --without-cups as was set in 0.15.1



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> On Mon, 2002-09-16 at 05:04, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> > It's trying to install stuff, rather than remove stuff. This is very
> > annoying, I was sure I'd fixed this for this release... Will try to work it
> > out with the gimp-print dudes some time.
> 
> the gimp-print/Makefile for 0.16.1 did not contain the configure switch.
> And if I didn't make a stupid mistake, for me only --with-cups=no works,
> not --without-cups as was set in 0.15.1

Yeeeesh. :-)

Thanks, I'll put that in.

- Jeff

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> Hi. I currently have garnome 0.14.1 installed. I want to install garnome
> 0.16.1. I'm wondering if there is a way to make it just download and
> compile the things that have changed, rather than the whole thing again. =
I
> have a P166 so you can imagine how long it would take!

Since 0.12 I have been updating the tree. So not recompiling each new
version. I just diff-ed over the Makefiles to see what changed.
Than I edited each Makefile by hand and recompiled. So far I have had
little trouble.
I did start recompiling 0.16, to get a clean install-tree. I probably
have a few libraries of different version installed and so on.
Also menu-editing didn't work for me anymore, after the recompile with
0.16 this worked again. And this is probably also because the dynamic
linker used some older version.
But since  all newer releases are ABI/API-compatible, there have been no
stability problems.


Here my one-liner for the diff:

for dir in `ls garnome-0.12.1/gnome/`;do diff -u
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> Since 0.12 I have been updating the tree. So not recompiling each new
> version. I just diff-ed over the Makefiles to see what changed.  Than I
> edited each Makefile by hand and recompiled. So far I have had little
> trouble.

That's essentially what I'm going to do with the new update system, it will
run diffs, check which files are changed, and keep going.

The only issue is binary files in the tree, which I've tried to minimise. I
think there's only the one bzipped patch at the moment. Everything else is
downloaded. I'm going to unbzip that patch and possibly bzip the main
archive... Hmm.

Anyway, yes, coming soon to a GARNOME near you.

- Jeff

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Hi all,

Something I've been thinking out during the last releases: is it
important to install a new GARNOME release to a new directory? I used to
install one release to the default path and the next one to
~/Software/garnome. Added benefit is of course that you always have a
working version :-).

Now, this is no problem on my home computer, but at university I'm
running low on disk space, and I started installing to the default path
all the time. Is this okay, or should I delete the old release first?

Thanks,

Martijn

PS On the off-topic thread on Debian experimental - I wonder how many
people moved to GARNOME for the very reason that GNOME 2 is a mess in
Debian unstable at the moment ... I know I did!




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> Something I've been thinking out during the last releases: is it important
> to install a new GARNOME release to a new directory? I used to install one
> release to the default path and the next one to ~/Software/garnome. Added
> benefit is of course that you always have a working version :-).
> 
> Now, this is no problem on my home computer, but at university I'm running
> low on disk space, and I started installing to the default path all the
> time. Is this okay, or should I delete the old release first?

Well, I generally do it for testing reasons, but I'd recommend it for
cleanliness reasons too. :-)

> PS On the off-topic thread on Debian experimental - I wonder how many
> people moved to GARNOME for the very reason that GNOME 2 is a mess in
> Debian unstable at the moment ... I know I did!

Yeah, lots of people have mentioned this. I've been helping the Debian
people with their attempts to move to GNOME 2, but it's a bit of a mess.
Mostly just communication and organisation though.

It should be mentioned however, that GARNOME is not here for that reason,
it's designed for GNOME testers first and foremost.

- Jeff

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in 16.1, meta/gnome-office won't build unless you change the Makefile
to look for gnome/mergeant instead of gnome/gnome-db.  Just thought
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-eric

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> in 16.1, meta/gnome-office won't build unless you change the Makefile
> to look for gnome/mergeant instead of gnome/gnome-db.  Just thought
> you should know.

See 0.16.2. :-)

Thanks,

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In Garnome 0.16.2, I have been trying to find how I would pre-fetch the 
packages needed for the compile, without having to run the compile at 
the same time.  I tried the obvious ones (ones I could see in the 
makefiles) of fetch, pre-fetch, etc.  The most that happened was that 
"make fetch" created an empty "download" directory under meta/gnome-desktop.


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Excuse my ignorance if this is a stupid question, but I'm unable to set 
the background picture or change the default colours.  Is Gnome2 
dependant on Nautilus to deal with these options or am I missing 
something?  Thanks in advance!


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> In Garnome 0.16.2, I have been trying to find how I would pre-fetch the
> packages needed for the compile, without having to run the compile at the
> same time.  I tried the obvious ones (ones I could see in the makefiles)
> of fetch, pre-fetch, etc.  The most that happened was that "make fetch"
> created an empty "download" directory under meta/gnome-desktop.

make fetch in meta/gnome-desktop will only make fetch for that garball,
so... You need to make fetch in the root build directory.

However, I strongly recommend that you 'make paranoid-checksum', as this
will stop and tell you if the files are incorrectly downloaded.

- Jeff

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Will it make uninstall older packages, too, so that there aren't any unnecessary
legacy files lying around?

Jeff Waugh had the audacity to claim:

>> Since 0.12 I have been updating the tree. So not recompiling each new
>> version. I just diff-ed over the Makefiles to see what changed.  Than I
>> edited each Makefile by hand and recompiled. So far I have had little
>> trouble.
>
>That's essentially what I'm going to do with the new update system, it will
>run diffs, check which files are changed, and keep going.

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> >That's essentially what I'm going to do with the new update system, it
> >will run diffs, check which files are changed, and keep going.
> 
> Will it make uninstall older packages, too, so that there aren't any
> unnecessary legacy files lying around?

Given that we can *almost* rely on make uninstall working for auto* GNOME
stuff, yes. We can also do it for manifest installs, but we don't have
anything using that feature in GARNOME.

The only issue with make uninstall is that you need the sources present to
do it, which a lot of people don't want to keep lying around.

Testers should, though, so that's fine. :-)

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begin  Jeff Waugh  quotation:
> The only issue with make uninstall is that you need the sources
> present to do it, which a lot of people don't want to keep lying
> around.

	Well, it's possible to generate a temporary dir and store the
filelist from an install.  Try a "make tarball" and look in tmp.  The
stuff in there should be enough to make a list for an uninstall rule.

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> begin  Jeff Waugh  quotation:
> > The only issue with make uninstall is that you need the sources
> > present to do it, which a lot of people don't want to keep lying
> > around.
> 
> 	Well, it's possible to generate a temporary dir and store the
> filelist from an install.  Try a "make tarball" and look in tmp.  The
> stuff in there should be enough to make a list for an uninstall rule.

Yeah, was just looking through GAR and considering doing that... Bit
complicated compared to what I'm doing now, but doable.

Thanks,

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begin  Jeff Waugh  quotation:
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> complicated compared to what I'm doing now, but doable.

You could also just keep the Makefiles around from the source and
little else...

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		Hello,
	Here is the question I send to the balsa mailing list and the 
answer.
	But freetype and pango are both from garnome, no ? and pango is 
built with freetype 2.1.2.
	So, where is the problem ??

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On Mon, 2002-09-16 at 10:22, Olivier Guéry wrote:
>               Hello,
>          Trying to compile balsa 2.0.2 and cvs snapshots, always return 
> me the same error :
> 
> /home/nemo/garnome/lib/libpangoxft-1.0.so: undefined reference to 
> `FT_Stream_GetShort'
> /home/nemo/garnome/lib/libpangoxft-1.0.so: undefined reference to 
> `FT_Stream_ExitFrame'
> /home/nemo/garnome/lib/libpangoxft-1.0.so: undefined reference to 
> `FT_Stream_GetLong'
> /home/nemo/garnome/lib/libpangoxft-1.0.so: undefined reference to 
> `FT_Stream_Seek'
> /home/nemo/garnome/lib/libpangoxft-1.0.so: undefined reference to 
> `FT_Stream_EnterFrame'
> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
> make[2]: *** [balsa] Erreur 1
> make[2]: Quitte le répertoire `/sources/balsa-2.0.2/src'
> make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Erreur 1
> make[1]: Quitte le répertoire `/sources/balsa-2.0.2'
> make: *** [all] Erreur 2
> 
>          I'm using gnome 2 with garnome 0.16.1, pango 1.0.4 and 
> freetype is 2.1.2
> 
>          Is it a known bug or may I change something ?
Hi,

This pango binary is probably linked against freetype 2.0.x.
Upgrade/recompile pango with freetype 2.1.2 and should work.
Or downgrade freetype to 2.0.x.
If you will try to compile any gtk2.xx program (from examples) you will
get the same error. This is not balsa problem.

Regards,

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> 	But freetype and pango are both from garnome, no ? and pango is 
> built with freetype 2.1.2.
> 	So, where is the problem ??

It's linking to your system freetype, not the one in GARNOME.

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Le 2002.09.16 07:38, Mario Vukelic a écrit :
> On Mon, 2002-09-16 at 05:04, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> > It's trying to install stuff, rather than remove stuff. This is very
> > annoying, I was sure I'd fixed this for this release... Will try to
> work it
> > out with the gimp-print dudes some time.
> 
> the gimp-print/Makefile for 0.16.1 did not contain the configure
> switch.
> And if I didn't make a stupid mistake, for me only --with-cups=no
> works,
> not --without-cups as was set in 0.15.1

		Hello,
	Here is the newbie quetsion : Where should I set this option ?

		nemo.

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Hi ppl,

A while ago I promised to make a garball for fontconfig. I did some
feeble attempt for it, but I really didn't want to screw up my gnome2
for it. I was badly needing it to get some work done.

But this weekend I started compiling Garnome 0.16 from scratch, normally
I just look at the diff. And yesterday-evening I compiled fontconfig for
this fresh and thus still warm installation of gnome 2.0.2.
I kept some notes on my progress and steps I made, so I could share it
with you guys.

Well... here it is:

First of all I installed gnome2 in /opt/garnome, so please change any
references to this directory for your installation-directory of gnome.

The first step I took was installing the latest freetype in the
garnome-tree and compile it. I attached a garball for this purpose

	- unpack free-garball in garnome-tree
	- cd gnome/freetype
        - make install
	- cd ../pango
	- make clean
	- make install

So far no fontconfig stuff, the pango recompile isn't even needed. But
it does confirm you have freetype running properly. You should also make
sure pango uses the correct freetype libraries. You can do this with
'ldd', but you do need to set 'LD_LIBRARY_PATH' correctly before
checking.
At this point you could be happy with the newest freetype. The following
steps probably also work with the freetype already installed in your
system, which is most likely to be 2.0.9.

First you will need to grab the fontconfig-package from the website
(www.fontconfig.org). It talks about a 2.0 download somewhere.
Unpack it somewhere, e.g. under /usr/src

	- cd /usr/src/fcpackage.2_0/fontconfig/
	- ./configure --prefix=/opt/garnome
--with-confdir=/opt/garnome/etc/fonts
--with-freetype-includes=/opt/garnome/include/freetype2/
--with-freetype-lib=/opt/garnome/lib/
--with-freetype-config=/opt/garnome/bin/freetype-config
	(all on one line)
	- make sure it found expat.h and freetype.h
	- make && make install
	- cd ../Xft
	- apply the following patch to the 'configure.in' file, to change the
order in which libraries are found
----- START PATCH (don't include this line) ------
--- configure.in.orig	Tue Sep 17 08:02:37 2002
+++ configure.in	Mon Sep 16 21:56:35 2002
@@ -178,9 +178,9 @@
 esac
 
 saved_LIBS="$LIBS"
-LIBS="$LIBS $FREETYPE_LIBS"
+LIBS="$FREETYPE_LIBS $LIBS"
 saved_CPPFLAGS="$CPPFLAGS"
-CPPFLAGS="$CPPFLAGS $FREETYPE_CFLAGS"
+CPPFLAGS="$FREETYPE_CFLAGS $CPPFLAGS"
 AC_CHECK_HEADERS(freetype/freetype.h)
 
 case "$ac_cv_header_freetype_freetype_h" in
----- END PATCH (don't include this line) -----

	- ./configure --prefix=/opt/garnome
--with-fontconfig-config=/opt/garnome/bin/fontconfig-config
--with-fontconfig-lib=/opt/garnome/lib/
--with-fontconfig-includes=/opt/garnome/include/
--with-freetype-includes=/opt/garnome/include/freetype2
--with-freetype-lib=/opt/garnome/lib/
--with-freetype-config=/opt/garnome/bin/freetype-config
	- make && make install

So far everything is installed into the same directory as gnome2 is
installed. The following package however is installed in the
X11-directory on your system. This shouldn't cause any problems, but I
needed to mention this.

	- cd ../Xrender
	- xmkmf -a
	- make && make install

Now we are almost ready. Only pango doesn't know about fontconfig yet.
The version installed with garnome doesn't support fontconfig. But the
attached Makefile for your garnome-pango directory downloads a beta of
pango with support for fontconfig. I also attached the checksums file.

	- cp Makefile /usr/src/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/pango
	- cp checksum /usr/src/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/pango
	- cd /usr/src/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/pango
	- make install

Now only gtk needs to be recompiled, it already has support for
fontconfig, so no new version is needed.

	- cd ../gtk+
	- make clean
	- make install

Alright... now you should have a spiffy gnome2 using fontconfig. I
suggest to reboot or otherwise make sure all gnome2 libraries are
unloaded. I normally do this by going into runlevel 3 (telinit 3),
killing any processes still runnning. And then going back to runlevel 5
(telinit 5).
This is enough for me, since I use gdm2. When you use gdm2, and click on
the 'language'-button you might be able to see chinese/japanese or
whatever correctly rendered. At least I see them. And if you don't you
either haven't got the right fonts installed or fontconfig didn't find
them.
You can add more font-directories in /opt/garnom/etc/fonts/fonts.conf. I
attached my version of the file. But this probably has a few
directories, that actually shouldn't be included.

If you have any problems with the above walk-through just let me know.

Have fun,

-A.



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GARNAME =3D pango
GARVERSION =3D 1.1.1
CATEGORIES =3D gnome
DISTFILES =3D $(GARNAME)-$(GARVERSION).tar.gz

MASTER_SITES =3D ftp://ftp.gtk.org/pub/gtk/v2.1/

LIBDEPS =3D gnome/glib misc/freetype

DESCRIPTION =3D pango
define BLURB
 #FIXME: blurb goes here
endef

CONFIGURE_SCRIPTS =3D $(WORKSRC)/configure
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	/usr/share/fonts
	/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts
	/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1
	/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF
	/usr/share/fonts/default/Type1
	/usr/share/fonts/ttf/armenian
	/usr/share/fonts/ttf/big5
	/usr/share/fonts/ttf/decoratives
	/usr/share/fonts/ttf/gb2312
	/usr/share/fonts/ttf/japanese
	/usr/share/fonts/ttf/korean
	/usr/share/fonts/ttf/monotype
	/usr/share/fonts/ttf/thai
	/usr/share/fonts/ttf/western
	/usr/share/fonts/ttf/intlfonts
	/usr/share/fonts/ttf/other
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/baltic
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/default
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/elmar
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/arabic24
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/cu
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/other
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/indic
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/Asian
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/Chinese
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/Chinese.BIG
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/Chinese.X
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/Ethiopic
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/European
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/European.BIG
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/Japanese
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/Japanese.BIG
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/Japanese.X
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/Korean.X
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/Misc
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/Type1
	/usr/local/j2re1.4/lib/fonts
	/usr/share/yudit/fonts
	/usr/lib/mures/images
	/usr/share/eel/fonts/urw
	

					 =20

	
		
			mono
		
		
			monospace
		
	


	
		
			sans
		
		
			sans-serif
		
	




	
		Times
		Times New Roman
		Nimbus Roman No9 L
		Luxi Serif
		Kochi Mincho
		AR PL SungtiL GB
		AR PL Mingti2L Big5
		Baekmuk Batang		=09
		serif
	

	
		Helvetica
		Arial
		Verdana
		Nimbus Sans L
		Luxi Sans
		Kochi Gothic
		AR PL KaitiM GB
		AR PL KaitiM Big5
		Baekmuk Dotum
		SimSun
		sans-serif
	

 	
		Courier
		Courier New
		Andale Mono
		Luxi Mono
		Nimbus Mono L
		NSimSun
		monospace
	

	
		
			sans-serif
		
		
			serif
		
		
			monospace
		
		
			sans-serif
		
	
=09

	~/.fonts.conf


	
		Times
		Times New Roman
	
	
		Helvetica
		Verdana
	
	
		Arial
		Verdana
	
	
		Courier
		Courier New
	


	
		serif
		
			Times New Roman
			Nimbus Roman No9 L
			Luxi Serif
			Times
			Kochi Mincho
			AR PL SungtiL GB
			AR PL Mingti2L Big5
			Baekmuk Batang		=09
		
	
	
		sans-serif
		
			Verdana
			Nimbus Sans L
			Luxi Sans
			Arial
			Helvetica
			Kochi Gothic
			AR PL KaitiM GB
			AR PL KaitiM Big5
			Baekmuk Dotum
			SimSun
		
	
	
		monospace
		
			Andale Mono
			Courier New
			Luxi Mono
			Nimbus Mono L
			Kochi Gothic
			AR PL KaitiM GB
			Baekmuk Dotum
		
	


=20
	
		
		
			roman
		
		
		
			roman
		
		
		
			
				matrix
				1.2
					01
				
			
		
		
		
			oblique
		
	


	
		rgb
	

	

		
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			0x2002
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			0x2005
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			0x2007
			0x2008
			0x2009
			0x200a
			0x200b
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From sproctor@ccs.neu.edu  Tue Sep 17 05:23:31 2002
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Okay, tried again with 0.16.2.  I don't have enough space to build GARNOME
w/o BUILD_CLEAN.  I have BUILD_CLEAN = true in the config... and my
garnome-0.16.2 directory is taking up ~1.1GB, and stopped because my HDD
is full.  If you can make BUILD_CLEAN do what it used to, awesome,
otherwise I'll just stick with the old version, or maybe try the debian
packages (are they any good?)

Thanks,
Sean


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begin  Sean Proctor  quotation:
> Okay, tried again with 0.16.2.  I don't have enough space to build
> GARNOME w/o BUILD_CLEAN.  I have BUILD_CLEAN = true in the config...
> and my garnome-0.16.2 directory is taking up ~1.1GB, and stopped
> because my HDD is full.  If you can make BUILD_CLEAN do what it used
> to, awesome, otherwise I'll just stick with the old version, or
> maybe try the debian packages (are they any good?)

	Well when I tried this, I must admit that I did it by setting
BUILD_CLEAN in my environment, like:

$ export BUILD_CLEAN="Goober"
$ make install

	And I saw buildclean get run.  Try that out first, and then
I'll try to figure out why it's not happening when set in gar.conf.mk
here.

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As time statistics I got these :


Stef van der Made wrote:

>
> Dear Jeff,
>
> Thanks for this new release.
>
> It compiled in about 3 hours on a Athlon 1200 with 768MB of memory, 
> I'll try to send you some detailed information on the next compile.
>
> I'm using the athlon optimizations for GCC 3.2. After compilation I've 
> got 407MB of software. It might be time to update the webpage slightly 
> as we are now 180MB above the 225MB advertised there. I'm still 
> enjoying this great gnome development even after the 10th recompile 
> sinceI've started using garnome just to keep up with the various 
> releases and improvements you've made to this package :-)
>
> Thanks and keep e'm coming
>
> Stef
>
> Jeff Waugh wrote:
>
>> GARNOME 0.16.0: "Hot Morning Furnace"
>> =====================================
>>
>> GARNOME - the bad-ass, bleeding edge GNOME distribution for testers and
>> tweakers everywhere. If you're dying to test the latest GNOME 2.0 
>> Desktop
>> releases, but don't want to fall into the depraved addictions and
>> co-dependencies of testing from anonymous CVS, then GARNOME is for you.
>>
>> [ In other words, GARNOME is a build system for GNOME 2.x which 
>> includes the
>> developer platform and desktop releases, as well as a host of other 
>> software
>> ported to the GNOME 2.x platform. Everything is as easy to build as 
>> 'make
>> install'. We call it a 'distribution' because it's sanity-tested and 
>> often
>> patched before release, for your convenience and enjoyment. ;-) ]
>>
>>
>> What's New?
>> -----------
>>
>>  * Updated to GNOME 2.0.2.
>>  
>>  * Added: koffice - the KDE office suite, mergeant - what used to be
>>    gnome-db.
>>  
>>  * Fixed: Mess in category files.
>>  
>>  * Fixed: gimp-print's CUPS stuff was attempting to install out of 
>> prefix.
>>    Fixed the hard way.
>>  
>>  * Fixed: quick-lounge-applets uncommented. ;-)
>>  
>>  * Fixed: Disabled -Werror -Wall on rhythmbox and gst-plugins, thanks to
>>    ajmitch.
>>
>>
>> Where Do I Get It?
>> ------------------
>>
>> The tarball and documentation [1] are available on the GARNOME website:
>>
>>  http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/garnome/
>>
>>
>> Enjoy G2D and GARNOME. :-)
>>
>> - Jeff
>>
>> [1] People who don't read the documentation tend to look pretty silly on
>> garnome-list and in #garnome.
>>
>>  
>>
>
>
>




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The compilation gave me back these statistics when using time :

real    240m28.323s
user    84m56.600s
sys     17m45.950s

Sorry for the previous message I found the shortcut key for sending a 
message by accident :-(

Cheers

stef

>>
>> Dear Jeff,
>>
>> Thanks for this new release.
>>
>> It compiled in about 3 hours on a Athlon 1200 with 768MB of memory, 
>> I'll try to send you some detailed information on the next compile.
>>
>> I'm using the athlon optimizations for GCC 3.2. After compilation 
>> I've got 407MB of software. It might be time to update the webpage 
>> slightly as we are now 180MB above the 225MB advertised there. I'm 
>> still enjoying this great gnome development even after the 10th 
>> recompile sinceI've started using garnome just to keep up with the 
>> various releases and improvements you've made to this package :-)
>>
>> Thanks and keep e'm coming
>>
>> Stef
>>



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bingo.  adding export before the BUILD_CLEAN seems to have worked
perfectly.  thanks a lot.  I'm in the process of building it, only 36MB so
far, and I noticed the work directories are being deleted.

Sean

On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Nick Moffitt wrote:

> begin  Sean Proctor  quotation:
> > Okay, tried again with 0.16.2.  I don't have enough space to build
> > GARNOME w/o BUILD_CLEAN.  I have BUILD_CLEAN = true in the config...
> > and my garnome-0.16.2 directory is taking up ~1.1GB, and stopped
> > because my HDD is full.  If you can make BUILD_CLEAN do what it used
> > to, awesome, otherwise I'll just stick with the old version, or
> > maybe try the debian packages (are they any good?)
>
> 	Well when I tried this, I must admit that I did it by setting
> BUILD_CLEAN in my environment, like:
>
> $ export BUILD_CLEAN="Goober"
> $ make install
>
> 	And I saw buildclean get run.  Try that out first, and then
> I'll try to figure out why it's not happening when set in gar.conf.mk
> here.
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begin  Sean Proctor  quotation:
> bingo.  adding export before the BUILD_CLEAN seems to have worked
> perfectly.  thanks a lot.  I'm in the process of building it, only
> 36MB so far, and I noticed the work directories are being deleted.

Aha!  Thanks for catching this one, and sorry we ate up your disk
space!

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begin  Jeff Waugh  quotation:
> make fetch in meta/gnome-desktop will only make fetch for that
> garball, so... You need to make fetch in the root build directory.
> 
> However, I strongly recommend that you 'make paranoid-checksum', as
> this will stop and tell you if the files are incorrectly downloaded.

	"make paranoid-garchive" will build a reusable cache of files
that will survive a "make clean", also stopping to tell you if files
are incorrectly downloaded.

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Attached is a sh-script which patches an existing garnome dir structure
to a new revision and downloads and compiles only files necessary for
the upgrade.
If you have a previous compiled version in ~garnome/garnome-0.15.0 untar
garnome-0.16.2 in ~garnome and run the script in ~garnome.
For example:
update-garnome garnome-0.15.0 garnome-0.16.2 desktop fifth-toe
//will patch garnome-0.15.0 to garnome-0.16.2 and build
garnome-0.15.0/meta/gnome-desktop and ... gnome-fifth-toe.

It is also possible to keep control and run every single step.
For example:

update-garnome garnome-0.15.0 garnome-0.16.2 newdiff 
//creates a new diff file and cp files from files dir creating a backup
file if the file exist

update-garnome garnome-0.15.0 garnome-0.16.2 patch 
//patches from existing diff file

update-garnome garnome-0.15.0 garnome-0.16.2 update 
//updates dir structure by rm cookies and work dirs, needs existing diff
file for files changed

update-garnome garnome-0.15.0 garnome-0.16.2 all-changed
//every thing from above plus runs make on every changed Makefile, use
with care since it's possible to link to old libs, there is no enforced
sequence 

update-garnome garnome-0.15.0 garnome-0.16.2 desktop
//first 3 [newdiff, patch, update] plus runs make in meta/gnome-desktop

The 4th - x  parameter(s) can be any meta dir or for that matter any
fully qualified dir with a Makefile in it.
Example:
update-garnome garnome-0.15.0 garnome-0.16.2 desktop fifth-toe kde
garnome-0.15.0/misc/redhat-artwork/

No 3rd parameter:
update-garnome garnome-0.15.0 garnome-0.16.2
//runs (newdiff, patch, update), so it's possible to run make as usual

Let me know if I missed something, most likely :-).

Hope this helps,
Ronald




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#!/bin/bash

#remove tailing / from pathname expansion
ORG=3D${1%/}
NEW=3D${2%/}

#make sure we have two parameters
USAGE=3D'ERROR usage: update-garnome orginal-garnome new-garname'
echo  "${ORG:?$USAGE} ${NEW:?$USAGE} " > /dev/null

RMDIRS=3D"cookies work"
BASE=3D$PWD
UPDATE=3Dupdate.appl
MAKEALL=3D"NO"

#create a patch file for changed files cp with backup all files from the fi=
les dir
function newdiff() {
echo "newdiff"
rm -f $NEW.diff
for FILE in `find $NEW -name "*.mk"`
do
diff -uN ${FILE/$NEW/$ORG} $FILE >> $NEW.diff
done
for FILE in `find $NEW -name checksums`
do
diff -uN ${FILE/$NEW/$ORG} $FILE >> $NEW.diff
done
for FILE in `find $NEW -name Makefile`
do
diff -uN ${FILE/$NEW/$ORG} $FILE >> $NEW.diff
done
for FILE in `find $NEW -path '*files*' -type f -or -type l`
do
mkdir -p `dirname ${FILE/$NEW/$ORG}`
cp -ab $FILE ${FILE/$NEW/$ORG}
done
}

#patch old dir structure so we don't download all dependency files again
function patch() {
echo "patch"
if [ -f $NEW.diff ];then
 cd $ORG
 /usr/bin/patch -p1 <../$NEW.diff
 cd $BASE
fi
}


#create file for appl to update
function update() {
echo "update"
grep $ORG $NEW.diff |awk '{print $2}' > $UPDATE

#remove old dirs, [run make]=20
while read FILE
do
DIR=3D`dirname $FILE`
FILENAME=3D`basename $FILE`
if [ -d $DIR ]; then
 if [ $FILENAME =3D=3D "Makefile" ]; then
  cd $DIR
  if [ -d "cookies" ]; then=20
    rm -rf $RMDIRS
    if [ $MAKEALL =3D=3D "YES" ];then
     make
    fi
  fi
 fi
 cd $BASE
fi
done <  $UPDATE
}

function gnome-desktop() {
newdiff
patch
update
 cd $BASE
 cd $ORG/meta/gnome-desktop
  echo "Compiling desktop"=20
  make
 cd $BASE
}

function gnome-meta() {
 if [ -d $ORG/meta/gnome-$1 ];then=09
   cd $ORG/meta/gnome-$1
   echo "Compiling $ORG/meta/gnome-$1"
   make
 elif [ -d $ORG/meta/$1 ];then=09
   cd $ORG/meta/$1
   echo "Compiling $ORG/meta/$1"
   make
 elif [ -d $1 ];then=09
   cd $1
   echo "Compiling $1"
   make
 fi
 cd $BASE
}


function loop_args(){
 for META in $@
 do
 gnome-meta $META
 done
}

case "$3" in
  newdiff)
	newdiff
	;;=09
  patch)
	patch
	;;
  update)
	update
	;;
  all-changed)
        MAKEALL=3D"YES"
	newdiff
	patch
	update
	;;
  desktop)
        gnome-desktop
	shift 3
	loop_args $@
	;;
  gnome-desktop)
        gnome-desktop
	shift 3
	loop_args $@
	;;

  *)
	newdiff
	patch
	update
esac


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I am running a Mandrake 8.2 system.  When I attempt to compile 
garnome (0.16.2), I get the following error in the redhat-artwork 
step of the make:


<15 MB of make output snipped ...>


checking whether the linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries...
yes
checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate
checking whether stripping libraries is possible... yes
checking dynamic linker characteristics... GNU/Linux ld.so
checking if libtool supports shared libraries... yes
checking whether to build shared libraries... yes
checking whether to build static libraries... no
checking whether -lc should be explicitly linked in... no
creating libtool
checking for gtk-config... no
checking for GTK - version >= 1.2.9... no
*** The gtk-config script installed by GTK could not be found
*** If GTK was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in
*** your path, or set the GTK_CONFIG environment variable to the
*** full path to gtk-config.
configure: error: *** GTK+-1.2.9 not installed - please install first
***
make[2]: *** [configure-work/redhat-artwork-0.36/configure] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/usr/local/public/bigdisk/tmp/garnome-0.16.2/misc/redhat-artwork'
make[1]: *** [install] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/usr/local/public/bigdisk/tmp/garnome-0.16.2/misc'
make: *** [install] Error 2

----------------------------------------------------------------------

I am confused by this error -- I thought that an updated GTK was
provided by the Garnome make process (I see a
"garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gtk+/work/gtk+-2.0.6" directory in the build
tree) ... How do I fix this error?




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> checking for GTK - version >= 1.2.9... no
> *** The gtk-config script installed by GTK could not be found
> *** If GTK was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in
> *** your path, or set the GTK_CONFIG environment variable to the
> *** full path to gtk-config.
> configure: error: *** GTK+-1.2.9 not installed - please install first
> ***

> I am confused by this error -- I thought that an updated GTK was
> provided by the Garnome make process (I see a
> "garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gtk+/work/gtk+-2.0.6" directory in the build
> tree) ... How do I fix this error?

Install GTK+ 1.x. Red Hat has a Bluecurve theme for both GTK+ 1.x and 2.x.

- Jeff

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Hi,
I'm a novice and have some problem to try to install gnome 2 from local
files. I acquired a magazine with a cd with sources of gnome 2. Now I wou=
ld
like to install gnome 2 with these and not with the download the files fr=
om
the ftp or http. I follow the readme instructions and modified the gar co=
nfig
files and added the line file:///home/downloads/garnome (where I copied
the bz2 source files). After to try, I went on atk directory and type mak=
e
install and obtained the follow message:

mkdir download
 
  =3D=3D> Grabbing download/atk-1.0.2.tar.bz2
      
         =3D=3D> Trying file//files/atk-1.0.2.tar.bz2

make[1]: *** [file//files/atk-1.0.2.tar.bz2] Error 1
   
         =3D=3D> Trying http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/2.0.0/sources/atk/=
atk-1.0.2.tar.bz2

And final obtain an error message.
In what mode I can do so the system know that I have these files on my ha=
rd
disk? And also, where I can install the gnome 2 system so all the user ca=
n
see that? I installed garnome-0.12.0 under the home directory and do all
these operation under the root.
Thanks,

Marco Mangiante



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> I'm a novice and have some problem to try to install gnome 2 from local
> files. I acquired a magazine with a cd with sources of gnome 2. Now I
> would like to install gnome 2 with these and not with the download the
> files from the ftp or http. I follow the readme instructions and modified
> the gar config files and added the line file:///home/downloads/garnome
> (where I copied the bz2 source files).

With a modern GARNOME (0.16.x), you set the GARCHIVE variable in
gar.conf.mk. Note that it will still download files that you do not have in
your garchive, so if the files on your magazine disk are for an old version
of GNOME, it will download just about everything anyway.

Thanks,

- Jeff

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I have installed garnome-16.2 and when I start yelp there are no Gnome
documents, only man pages and info documents.

I have checked that the .xml files are in

~/garnome/share/gnome/help/user-guide/C/

Any clues?  (I have read the FAQ).  What should I do to diagnose the
problem?


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> I have installed garnome-16.2 and when I start yelp there are no Gnome
> documents, only man pages and info documents.
> 
> I have checked that the .xml files are in
> 
> ~/garnome/share/gnome/help/user-guide/C/
> 
> Any clues?  (I have read the FAQ).  What should I do to diagnose the
> problem?

This is my fault. :-) I still haven't got the documentation stuff *quite*
right. If you manage to work it out (it's mostly to do with everything being
in a weird prefix, etc), please let me know.

Note that using the help menu item in every application does work, but it's
harder to get into the basic gnome2-user-docs documentation.

- Jeff

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Hi,
thanks for the response. I have the gnome 2.0 and I think that the garnom=
e-0.16.x
download the last files. In what mode I can modify the garnome so it acce=
pt
the "old" gnome files?
Thanks,

Marco Mangiante

 
>-- Messaggio originale --
>From: Jeff Waugh 
>To: marcomangiante@virgilio.it
>Cc: garnome-list@gnome.org
>Subject: Re: Installing gnome 2 from local bz2 files
>Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 17:40:41 +1000
>
>
>
>
>> I'm a novice and have some problem to try to install gnome 2 from loca=
l
>> files. I acquired a magazine with a cd with sources of gnome 2. Now I
>> would like to install gnome 2 with these and not with the download the=

>> files from the ftp or http. I follow the readme instructions and modif=
ied
>> the gar config files and added the line file:///home/downloads/garnome=

>> (where I copied the bz2 source files).
>
>With a modern GARNOME (0.16.x), you set the GARCHIVE variable in
>gar.conf.mk. Note that it will still download files that you do not have=

>in
>your garchive, so if the files on your magazine disk are for an old vers=
ion
>of GNOME, it will download just about everything anyway.
>
>Thanks,
>
>- Jeff
>
>-- 
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>   
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> thanks for the response. I have the gnome 2.0 and I think that the garnome-0.16.x
> download the last files. In what mode I can modify the garnome so it accept
> the "old" gnome files?

You can't (easily). GARNOME is designed more as a 'distribution' than as a
build tool. I strongly, strongly, strongly recommend that you let it
download the new tarballs and build them.

- Jeff

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Hi,
I know this because I try do this and it is very hard. I chenged a line
in one of the config file (don't remember what file) so it recognize wher=
e
I have the local files. I cancelled all the checksum in all the directory=

and rebuild them with these command:

make fetch
make makesum
make checksum

It seems that it works but I have problem because I installed it under th=
e
Marco user and not under the root, so I'm arrived to a point in which I
can't continue.
Is this the method that you say is difficult (mine is difficult and tedio=
us).
Thanks,

Marco Mangiante

>You can't (easily). GARNOME is designed more as a 'distribution' than as=

>a
>build tool. I strongly, strongly, strongly recommend that you let it
>download the new tarballs and build them.
>
>- Jeff



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> I know this because I try do this and it is very hard. I chenged a line
> in one of the config file (don't remember what file) so it recognize where
> I have the local files. I cancelled all the checksum in all the directory
> and rebuild them with these command:
> 
> make fetch
> make makesum
> make checksum

That is the correct way of doing it, but note that you may build a
completely broken GNOME 2 installation, and I will not help you pick up the
pieces. I distribute GARNOME so that you can test a *build/sanity tested and
working* version of GNOME. If you choose to do silly things like this, I'm
not all that interested in helping you out.

> It seems that it works but I have problem because I installed it under the
> Marco user and not under the root, so I'm arrived to a point in which I
> can't continue.

Why is this a problem? It should 100% work no matter which user you build it
as. Indeed, I've said many times NOT to build it as root.

- Jeff

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Try,
scrollkeeper-update -o ~/garnome/share/omf/

Works for me, except for "introduction-to-gnome" which is not
well-formed xml.

Ronald


On Wed, 2002-09-18 at 04:15, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> 
> > I have installed garnome-16.2 and when I start yelp there are no Gnome
> > documents, only man pages and info documents.
> > 
> > I have checked that the .xml files are in
> > 
> > ~/garnome/share/gnome/help/user-guide/C/
> > 
> > Any clues?  (I have read the FAQ).  What should I do to diagnose the
> > problem?
> 
> This is my fault. :-) I still haven't got the documentation stuff *quite*
> right. If you manage to work it out (it's mostly to do with everything being
> in a weird prefix, etc), please let me know.
> 
> Note that using the help menu item in every application does work, but it's
> harder to get into the basic gnome2-user-docs documentation.
> 
> - Jeff
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> Try,
> scrollkeeper-update -o ~/garnome/share/omf/
> 
> Works for me, except for "introduction-to-gnome" which is not
> well-formed xml.

Oh, BOLLOCKS!

No wonder, I managed to take that out of the post-everything rule ages ago.
Gar, gar, gar!

Thanks,

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Hi,

>> It seems that it works but I have problem because I installed it under=

>the
>> Marco user and not under the root, so I'm arrived to a point in which
I
>> can't continue.
>
>Why is this a problem? It should 100% work no matter which user you buil=
d
>it
>as. Indeed, I've said many times NOT to build it as root.

maybe it depends on the fact that I tried to install gnome in mode that
I explained, so under my user I haven't permission on such directory.
So, however, when I first downloaded the garnome-0.13.1 (my first experie=
nce
with garnome) I type make install and it downloaded the files for install=

a sanity version on gnome (I think version 2.0.2); now it works but becau=
se
I am not experienced I installed it under root, adn when I lauch gdm and
try to access gnome 2 with Marco, the system return me to gdm screen. Wha=
t
I can add to do gnome 2 work also under other users? And I can resue the
files that I have downloaded with new garnome versions?
Thanks,

Marco



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> So, however, when I first downloaded the garnome-0.13.1 (my first experience
> with garnome) I type make install and it downloaded the files for install
> a sanity version on gnome (I think version 2.0.2);

No, 0.13.1 was much earlier than 2.0.2.

> now it works but because I am not experienced I installed it under root,
> adn when I lauch gdm and try to access gnome 2 with Marco, the system
> return me to gdm screen. What I can add to do gnome 2 work also under
> other users?

Give them permissions to access (read and execute) whichever directory you
installed GARNOME into.

> And I can resue the files that I have downloaded with new garnome
> versions?

'make garchive' in the root build directory.

- Jeff

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On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 04:40, Ronald Kuetemeier wrote:
> Try,
> scrollkeeper-update -o ~/garnome/share/omf/
> 
> Works for me, except for "introduction-to-gnome" which is not
> well-formed xml.
> 
> Ronald
Thanks Ronald, but it still does not work.  (I executed that command and
re-started yelp but there was not change.)  I appreciate your help
nonetheless.

cheers,

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> On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 04:40, Ronald Kuetemeier wrote:
> > Try,
> > scrollkeeper-update -o ~/garnome/share/omf/
> > 
> > Works for me, except for "introduction-to-gnome" which is not
> > well-formed xml.
> 
> Thanks Ronald, but it still does not work.  (I executed that command and
> re-started yelp but there was not change.)  I appreciate your help
> nonetheless.

Works here - did you specify the correct prefix with -o?

- Jeff

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On Wed, 2002-09-18 at 14:24, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> 
> > On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 04:40, Ronald Kuetemeier wrote:
> > > Try,
> > > scrollkeeper-update -o ~/garnome/share/omf/
> > > 
> > > Works for me, except for "introduction-to-gnome" which is not
> > > well-formed xml.
> > 
> > Thanks Ronald, but it still does not work.  (I executed that command and
> > re-started yelp but there was not change.)  I appreciate your help
> > nonetheless.
> 
> Works here - did you specify the correct prefix with -o?

Or any error messages ?

If you use the wrong path, you will most likely get a lot of errors
stating the docs can not validated against the DTD. That's because you
try to validate old docs against the new DTD. 

What does,   
xmlcatalog ~/garnome/etc/xml/catalog "-//OMF//DTD Scrollkeeper OMF
Variant V1.0//EN"
return? On my machine it's:
/home/ronald/garnome/share/xml/scrollkeeper/dtds/scrollkeeper-omf.dtd 
Which is the correct dtd for gnome2 and my installation.

Does ~/garnome/etc/scrollkeeper.conf point to the right dir?
You might also want to check out:
http://people.codefactory.se/~micke/yelp/setup-system.html
That's where I found the hind to scrollkeeper-update.

Ronald

> 
> - Jeff
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On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 08:48, Ronald Kuetemeier wrote:
> On Wed, 2002-09-18 at 14:24, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 04:40, Ronald Kuetemeier wrote:
> > > > Try,
> > > > scrollkeeper-update -o ~/garnome/share/omf/
> > > > 
> > > > Works for me, except for "introduction-to-gnome" which is not
> > > > well-formed xml.
> > > 
> > > Thanks Ronald, but it still does not work.  (I executed that command and
> > > re-started yelp but there was not change.)  I appreciate your help
> > > nonetheless.
> > 
> > Works here - did you specify the correct prefix with -o?
> 
> Or any error messages ?
> 
> If you use the wrong path, you will most likely get a lot of errors
> stating the docs can not validated against the DTD. That's because you
> try to validate old docs against the new DTD. 
> 
> What does,   
> xmlcatalog ~/garnome/etc/xml/catalog "-//OMF//DTD Scrollkeeper OMF
> Variant V1.0//EN"
> return? On my machine it's:
> /home/ronald/garnome/share/xml/scrollkeeper/dtds/scrollkeeper-omf.dtd 
> Which is the correct dtd for gnome2 and my installation.
> 
> Does ~/garnome/etc/scrollkeeper.conf point to the right dir?
> You might also want to check out:
> http://people.codefactory.se/~micke/yelp/setup-system.html
> That's where I found the hind to scrollkeeper-update.
Thanks for all this: I have now solved the problem: I had
scrollkeeper-0.3.4-5 installed (via RPM) and it was being executed
instead of the version that comes with garnome.

I feel so stupid --- a _long_ time ago I had a problem that necessitated
prepending /usr/bin to my path in .bashrc, and of course hacks like lack
tend to hang around unnoticed...

Thanks for your help, and apologies for the time wasting.

John

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On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 08:24, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> 
> > On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 04:40, Ronald Kuetemeier wrote:
> > > Try,
> > > scrollkeeper-update -o ~/garnome/share/omf/
> > > 
> > > Works for me, except for "introduction-to-gnome" which is not
> > > well-formed xml.
> > 
> > Thanks Ronald, but it still does not work.  (I executed that command and
> > re-started yelp but there was not change.)  I appreciate your help
> > nonetheless.
> 
> Works here - did you specify the correct prefix with -o?
I executed the command cut 'n' pasted from Ronald's post as a normal
user:

[jwilliams@ou092011 Book]$ scrollkeeper-update -o ~/garnome/share/omf/
/var/lib/scrollkeeper/scrollkeeper_docs: Permission denied

Then su'ed and executed
[root@ou092011 Book]# scrollkeeper-update -o
/home/jwilliams/garnome/share/omf/

(one line, evo is wrapping it)

which produced no error messages.  (Actually the first time I did that I
got a message about non UTF-8 encoding in file-roller-ru.xml, so I moved
that file out of the way and re-tried.)

It's no big deal for me, I can wait until the next release when it's
fixed :-)  I just thought you'd like to know.  

There is no bugzilla for garnome is there?  (I know there is one for
Gnome2.)

cheers,

and bug ups to Jeff for his fine work.

John

-- 
John Williams
Department of Marketing
Otago University
Dunedin, New Zealand


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On Wed, 2002-09-18 at 14:32, John Williams wrote:
> On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 08:24, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 04:40, Ronald Kuetemeier wrote:
> > > > Try,
> > > > scrollkeeper-update -o ~/garnome/share/omf/
> > > > 
> > > > Works for me, except for "introduction-to-gnome" which is not
> > > > well-formed xml.
> > > 
> > > Thanks Ronald, but it still does not work.  (I executed that command and
> > > re-started yelp but there was not change.)  I appreciate your help
> > > nonetheless.
> > 
> > Works here - did you specify the correct prefix with -o?
> I executed the command cut 'n' pasted from Ronald's post as a normal
> user:
> 
> [jwilliams@ou092011 Book]$ scrollkeeper-update -o ~/garnome/share/omf/
> /var/lib/scrollkeeper/scrollkeeper_docs: Permission denied
> 
> Then su'ed and executed

UUUUh, you should have changed the owner/group of
"/var/lib/scrollkeeper/"
instead, to avoid the problem in the future. Been there done that :-).

Ronald

 



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Hi,

I have started installing Gnome 2.0.2 with garnomne 0.16.2 using
.../meta/gnome-desktop/ make install
Before this I have proved that all libaries, as listed on the
garnome-website, are installed. After about 4 hours of installing the
process stops with the following error-message: 
_______________________________________________________________-
Making all in descs
make[4]: Entering directory
`/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new/descs'
make[4]: *** No rule to make target `AM_Armenian.keyprop', needed by
`all-am'.  Stop.
make[4]: Leaving directory
`/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new/descs'
make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory
`/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3'
make: *** [build-work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/Makefile] Error 2

____________________________________________________

I changed to the applets-directory to rebuilt with make clean ; make
install and got the following message: 
________________________________________________________________________________
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 ./xmodmap.ru-rev
/root/garnome/share/xmodmap/xmodmap.ru-rev
make[3]: Leaving directory
`/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new/xmodmap'
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new/xmodmap'
Making install in descs
make[2]: Entering directory
`/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new/descs'
make[2]: *** No rule to make target `AM_Armenian.keyprop', needed by
`all-am'.  Stop.
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new/descs'
make[1]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new'
make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
_______________________________________________________________________________________


I cannot find any hint on missing libaries. I d not know the exact
meaning of install-recursive, too.
Is there any way to continue and install the applets after finishing the
installation with garnome?

If somebody has any explanation or idea on these error-messages I would
be happy and thankful to read them.


Matthias



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On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 08:11, Matthias Richter wrote:
___________________________________________________________
> /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 ./xmodmap.ru-rev
> /root/garnome/share/xmodmap/xmodmap.ru-rev
> make[3]: Leaving directory
> `/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new/xmodmap'
> make[2]: Leaving directory
> `/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new/xmodmap'
> Making install in descs
> make[2]: Entering directory
> `/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new/descs'
> make[2]: *** No rule to make target `AM_Armenian.keyprop', needed by
> `all-am'.  Stop.
> make[2]: Leaving directory
> `/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new/descs'
> make[1]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory
> `/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new'
> make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
> _______________________________________________________________________________________
> 
> 
> I cannot find any hint on missing libaries. I d not know the exact
> meaning of install-recursive, too.
Just walks the dir tree and installs.
> Is there any way to continue and install the applets after finishing the
> installation with garnome?
Well looks like you do the install as root, as Jeff would say: "DON'T DO
THAT"
Second do a `df -h` since root is under / and not /home you might have a
full partition, if you have a standard installation.
Third if you are just changing between su and user check all permissions
and owner of ALL files/dirs.
4th use make -d for debugging info from make.

Ronald
 


> 
> If somebody has any explanation or idea on these error-messages I would
> be happy and thankful to read them.
> 
> 
> Matthias
> 
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Hi,

I keep getting error messages regarding the download of a file by the name
of bytecode-interpreter.diff.

I tried to follow the link manually and cannot see the file there either.

Has anyone encountered this problem before?

<- cut ->
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           => `download/bytecode-interpreter.diff'
Resolving dl.sourceforge.net... done.
Connecting to dl.sourceforge.net[193.190.198.97]:80... connected.
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Location:
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[following]
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Resolving belnet.dl.sourceforge.net... done.
Connecting to belnet.dl.sourceforge.net[193.190.198.97]:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
16:54:13 ERROR 404: Not Found.

make[5]: *** [http//dl.sourceforge.net/freetype/bytecode-interpreter.diff]
Error 1
*** GAR GAR GAR!  Failed to download download/bytecode-interpreter.diff!
GAR GAR GAR! ***
make[4]: *** [download/bytecode-interpreter.diff] Error 1
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Thanks in advance, Mike

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> I keep getting error messages regarding the download of a file by the name
> of bytecode-interpreter.diff.
> 
> I tried to follow the link manually and cannot see the file there either.
> 
> Has anyone encountered this problem before?

What have you changed in the GARNOME configuration files? If you've removed
anything from the FILE_SITES variable, do I have full permission to spank
you for not reading the documentation? :-)

Thanks,

- Jeff

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Jeff,

My gar.conf.mk looks like this:

<- cut ->
FILE_SITES = file://$(FILEDIR)/ file://$(GARCHIVEDIR)/
file:///mnt/windows/gnome/2.0.2/
<- cut ->

This is what I gathered from the documentation. As usual I probably
misinterpreted the information...

You'll have to discuss the spanking bit with my GF though ;)

// Mike

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> I keep getting error messages regarding the download of a file by the name
> of bytecode-interpreter.diff.
> 
> I tried to follow the link manually and cannot see the file there either.
> 
> Has anyone encountered this problem before?

What have you changed in the GARNOME configuration files? If you've removed
anything from the FILE_SITES variable, do I have full permission to spank
you for not reading the documentation? :-)

Thanks,

- Jeff

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> My gar.conf.mk looks like this:
> 
> <- cut ->
> FILE_SITES = file://$(FILEDIR)/ file://$(GARCHIVEDIR)/
> file:///mnt/windows/gnome/2.0.2/
> <- cut ->

Ah. On the website, these links are on separate lines, but only due to
html wrapping. Please make sure they're on the same line.

[ What's not in the documentation is that you can just put a normal
directory up in the GARCHIVE variable at the top of the new gar.conf.mk,
though. ]

- Jeff

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To make sure you know when you are root, create a gnome-terminal profile
for root.  Maybe red as the background, or whatever you like.
Then add the following to your .bashrc, if you use bash. Or always type
it in :-) ...
Should be on ONE line.

alias su='if [ $TERM == "xterm" ]; then gnome-terminal
--window-with-profile=root -e su;else su;fi'

This creates a new gnome-terminal with the profile root and executes su
in that terminal.  You could also create a new tab in the existing
terminal, see docs ...

Hope this helps,
Ronald

 


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Or type 'id'.

Ronald Kuetemeier had the audacity to claim:

>To make sure you know when you are root, create a gnome-terminal profile
>for root.  Maybe red as the background, or whatever you like.
>Then add the following to your .bashrc, if you use bash. Or always type
>it in :-) ...
>Should be on ONE line.
>
>alias su='if [ $TERM == "xterm" ]; then gnome-terminal
>--window-with-profile=root -e su;else su;fi'
>
>This creates a new gnome-terminal with the profile root and executes su
>in that terminal.  You could also create a new tab in the existing
>terminal, see docs ...
>
>Hope this helps,
>Ronald


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Mark Faine wrote:

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> Decided to rebuild the entire thing but unfortunatly I can't get any 
> files to download.  How ( and where) can I set where to download the 
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They downloaded fine yesterday but fail to download today. Perhaps tomorrow?


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It's most likely because of the directory layout changes on
ftp.gnome.org.  I'm sure a new garnome will be released soon.

Alex

On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 21:48, Andreas J Guelzow wrote:
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> >  
> > 
> > Decided to rebuild the entire thing but unfortunatly I can't get any 
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> > 
> They downloaded fine yesterday but fail to download today. Perhaps tomorrow?
> 
> 
> Andreas
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> 
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Jeff,

I've tried putting my local directory on the same line as the 'variable'
ones. I've tried to put my directory into the GARCHIVEDIR variable earlier
in the file.

None of this seems to work, I still keep getting the same problem.

Could it be that this file it's looking for has been removed for some
reason?

I'll soon be going GAR GAR GAR!, just like the install script ;)

Greetings, Mike

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> My gar.conf.mk looks like this:
> 
> <- cut ->
> FILE_SITES = file://$(FILEDIR)/ file://$(GARCHIVEDIR)/
> file:///mnt/windows/gnome/2.0.2/
> <- cut ->

Ah. On the website, these links are on separate lines, but only due to
html wrapping. Please make sure they're on the same line.

[ What's not in the documentation is that you can just put a normal
directory up in the GARCHIVE variable at the top of the new gar.conf.mk,
though. ]

- Jeff

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You can modify a line in garnome-0.16.2\gnome\category.mk to make things 
work...

change this line:

MASTER_SITES += http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/2.0.2/sources$(GARNAME)/ 
http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/2.0.1/sources/$(GARNAME)/

to:

MASTER_SITES += http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/desktop/2.0/2.0.2/sources/ 
http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/desktop/2.0/2.0.1/sources/

This seems to work for me...

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Made the changes to category.mk to reflect the directory changes on 
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However, I error out when the script tries to download 
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Made the changes to category.mk to reflect the directory changes on ftp.gnome.org this morning and tried to compile garnome-0.16.2..

However, I error out when the script tries to download gnome-vfs-extras-0.99.5 from gnome.org.. version 0.99.5 isn't there.

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DRWilliams@marinerhealthcare.com writes:

> Made the changes to category.mk to reflect the directory changes on ftp.gnome.org this morning and tried to compile
> garnome-0.16.2..
> However, I error out when the script tries to download gnome-vfs-extras-0.99.5 from gnome.org.. version 0.99.5 isn't there.

If you change the version in the Makefile in the gnome-vfs-extras file
to 0.99.3, it'll get the one from 2.0.1. You'll need to remake the
checksum too, however ('md5sum TARBALL > checksum')

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The error message indicates a missing bytecode-interpreter.diff. This file
is part of the Garnome garball. It is not supposed to be downloaded. It is
possible to extract it manually from the garball and put it in its proper
location, where the Garnome system expects it to be.

(I did this too. And it wasn't the worst mistake I made...)

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Am Fre, 2002-09-20 um 16.35 schrieb Jon Riekenberg:

> change this line:

> to:
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> MASTER_SITES += http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/desktop/2.0/2.0.2/sources/ 
> http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/desktop/2.0/2.0.1/sources/
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Thx for the info so far. After modifying as you said, Garnome fails to
download an cuased the error 404 "host not found" after sveral hours of
compiling.again. 


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glade isn't up on the gnome website anymore, so garnome can't download it.

thanks,
Sean


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> glade isn't up on the gnome website anymore, so garnome can't download it.

The GNOME FTP site structure changed last Friday, I'm putting a new release
out in a little while.

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You can download glade from:
http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/glade/1.1/

Alex

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Jeff and Co,

I have a couple of Gnome apps that are being ported across to G2 and
seem to be working pretty much okay (well, at lot better than RhythmBox
anyway ;-)

They are:
        * Firestarter (firewall script creator)
        * Gkrellm (the super monitor)
        * Bluefish (web page editor)

I was wondering whether you might consider them for the fifth-toe meta
package in future Garnome distributions.

Maybe we could have another meta pkg called spare-foot or even the
spare-boot?!


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>         * Firestarter (firewall script creator)
>         * Gkrellm (the super monitor)
>         * Bluefish (web page editor)
> 
> I was wondering whether you might consider them for the fifth-toe meta
> package in future Garnome distributions.

Sure. :-)

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GARNOME 0.17.0: "Next Big Thing"
================================

GARNOME - the bad-ass, bleeding edge GNOME distribution for testers and
tweakers everywhere. If you're dying to test the latest GNOME 2.0 Desktop
releases, but don't want to fall into the depraved addictions and
co-dependencies of testing from anonymous CVS, then GARNOME is for you.

[ In other words, GARNOME is a build system for GNOME 2.x which includes the
developer platform and desktop releases, as well as a host of other software
ported to the GNOME 2.x platform. Everything is as easy to build as 'make
install'. We call it a 'distribution' because it's sanity-tested and often
patched before release, for your convenience and enjoyment. ;-) ]


What's New?
-----------

  - New: Balsa! [ Should have been added a while back, but I waited for a
	new release as the previous one wasn't very G2Dish... But, um, I guess
	they're just not going for G2D-ish after all. :-) ]
  
  - New: gworldclock - a very simple multiple-timezone clock
  
  - New: Fresh acme release with more support for PCs. Yay!
  
  - Updated: New GStreamer release!
  
  - Fixed: Splashscreen no longer refers to Preview 8. ;-) [ Needed
	checksum, thanks to Jan Schmidt. ]
  
  - Fixed: Point to new FTP directories.
  
  - Fixed: Remove our gimp-print brain damage.
  
  - No longer include bzipped patch for redhat-artwork, because we want to
	keep binary files out of the tree.
 

Where Do I Get It?
------------------

The tarball and documentation [1] are available on the GARNOME website:

  http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/garnome/


Enjoy G2D and GARNOME. :-)

- Jeff


[1] People who don't read the documentation tend to look pretty silly on
garnome-list and in #garnome.

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A while back I saw 0.16.3 at your site but not yet available. A few
minutes later, boom! 0.17.0 :-)

Now doing 'make paranoid-checksum' ...

By the way Jeff, I enjoy GARNOME very much :-) Keep 'em coming dude!

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On Mon, 2002-09-23 at 11:02, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> GARNOME 0.17.0: "Next Big Thing"
> ================================
> 
> GARNOME - the bad-ass, bleeding edge GNOME distribution for testers and
> tweakers everywhere. If you're dying to test the latest GNOME 2.0 Desktop
> releases, but don't want to fall into the depraved addictions and
> co-dependencies of testing from anonymous CVS, then GARNOME is for you.
> 
> [ In other words, GARNOME is a build system for GNOME 2.x which includes the
> developer platform and desktop releases, as well as a host of other software
> ported to the GNOME 2.x platform. Everything is as easy to build as 'make
> install'. We call it a 'distribution' because it's sanity-tested and often
> patched before release, for your convenience and enjoyment. ;-) ]
> 
> 
> What's New?
> -----------
> 
>   - New: Balsa! [ Should have been added a while back, but I waited for a
> 	new release as the previous one wasn't very G2Dish... But, um, I guess
> 	they're just not going for G2D-ish after all. :-) ]
>   
>   - New: gworldclock - a very simple multiple-timezone clock
>   
>   - New: Fresh acme release with more support for PCs. Yay!
>   
>   - Updated: New GStreamer release!
>   
>   - Fixed: Splashscreen no longer refers to Preview 8. ;-) [ Needed
> 	checksum, thanks to Jan Schmidt. ]
>   
>   - Fixed: Point to new FTP directories.
>   
>   - Fixed: Remove our gimp-print brain damage.
>   
>   - No longer include bzipped patch for redhat-artwork, because we want to
> 	keep binary files out of the tree.
>  
> 
> Where Do I Get It?
> ------------------
> 
> The tarball and documentation [1] are available on the GARNOME website:
> 
>   http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/garnome/
> 
> 
> Enjoy G2D and GARNOME. :-)
> 
> - Jeff
> 
> 
> [1] People who don't read the documentation tend to look pretty silly on
> garnome-list and in #garnome.
> 
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>                       far as films go." - Cody Russell                      
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On Mon, 2002-09-23 at 13:02, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> GARNOME 0.17.0: "Next Big Thing"
> ================================

Stand back!

I notice that there still is no "export BUILD_CLEAN" in the gar.conf.mk
file.

Do some shells not need this?

Is there some way to stop the KDE stuff from being included in a "make
paranoid-garchive" or having a gnome only target.

Don't want to sound too single-minded it's just such a big download...



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> Stand back!
> 
> I notice that there still is no "export BUILD_CLEAN" in the gar.conf.mk
> file.

See the large export lines at the bottom of gar.conf.mk.

> Is there some way to stop the KDE stuff from being included in a "make
> paranoid-garchive" or having a gnome only target.

Delete the kde directory. :-)

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On Mon, 2002-09-23 at 14:10, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> See the large export lines at the bottom of gar.conf.mk.

Ooops!  Sorry!

> Delete the kde directory. :-)

Trying that...tah!

P.S. Problem with downloading gal2 - wrong location, will send an update
in a mo when I've been through the whole make paranoid-garchive...


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On Mon, 2002-09-23 at 13:02, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> GARNOME 0.17.0: "Next Big Thing"
> ================================

Gal2 libraries should be at (line split by evo):

    http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/gal2-0/0.0/gal2-0-0.0.6.tar.bz2

Also, Md5check for gst-plugins is different for me:

    $ md5sum gstreamer/gst-plugins/download/gst-plugins-0.4.1.tar.bz2 
    9b190733771be21bf8bf18971a652955 
    gstreamer/gst-plugins/download/gst-plugins-0.4.1.tar.bz2
    
versus

    6de1255082d5cf5dddfd3686f0b383e2  download/gst-plugins-0.4.1.tar.bz2


I've downloaded it twice with the same result.

I'll temporarily change the checksum and cont...

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Has anyone gotten garnome started with kdm in suse 8? 

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> Gal2 libraries should be at (line split by evo):
> 
>     http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/gal2-0/0.0/gal2-0-0.0.6.tar.bz2

Thanks, borky release name didn't quite fit with the conversion. ;-)

> Also, Md5check for gst-plugins is different for me:
> 
>     $ md5sum gstreamer/gst-plugins/download/gst-plugins-0.4.1.tar.bz2 
>     9b190733771be21bf8bf18971a652955 
>     gstreamer/gst-plugins/download/gst-plugins-0.4.1.tar.bz2
>     
> versus
> 
>     6de1255082d5cf5dddfd3686f0b383e2  download/gst-plugins-0.4.1.tar.bz2

Gar. Thomas re-released with the same version number, but I can't claim that
I didn't know. I just forgot to update it. :-)

Thanks, point release coming out with your name on it. :-)

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Hi!

I'm using garnome 0.14.1 for a while now...
I wanted to know if it is possible to install the new garnome version
without losing any files?

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> I'm using garnome 0.14.1 for a while now...
> I wanted to know if it is possible to install the new garnome version
> without losing any files?

Go for it, but I strongly recommend installing to a new prefix, or removing
your old one.

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Hello,
After several attempts to install Gnome 2.0.2 with garnome 0.16.1 I
tried with 0.17.0. I've proved that all necessary libs and apps are
installed as listed on the garnome-homepage and had at this point of
installation about 1.6GB free hdd-space, but got the
following-error-message: 

In file includes from porperties.c:39:
/usr/inlude/apm.h:69: parse error before *
/usr/include/apm.h:69:warning: data definition has no type or storage
class
make [4]: *** [proerties.o] error 1
make [4]: leaving directory
/work/garnome-0.17.0/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/battstat
make[3]: *** [al-recursive] error 1
make[3]: leaving directory
>>/work/garnome-0.17.0/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/battstat
make [2] *** [all-recursive] error 2
make[2]: leaving directory >>
/work/garnome-0.17.0/gnome/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3<<
make *** [all-reccursive-am] error 2
make[1]: leaving directory
>>/work/garnome-0.17.0/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3
make: *** [build.work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/Makefile] error 2


Can someone help me to understand this error-mesage and perhaps give me
some information on how to solve the problem?

Many thanks in advance.

Matthias


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(this was supposed to be mailed from *this* email address, not my other 
one.  Excuse me if it ends up being duplicated.  Need to fix my Netscape 
configuration).




Compiling 0.17.1 under Cygwin, I eventually get this message during the
install for glib 2.0.6:


============================
*** Warning: This library needs some functionality provided by
../glib/libglib-2.0.la.
*** I have the capability to make that library automatically link in when
*** you link to this library.  But I can only do this if you have a
*** shared version of the library, which you do not appear to have.
libtool: link: warning: `/lib/libintl.la' seems to be moved
rm -fr .libs/libgobject-2.0.la .libs/libgobject-2.0.* .libs/libgobject-2.0.*
============================


It has already made it's way through the ./glib files, and seems to have
   run OK there.  But once it gets to the ./work/glib-2.0.6/gobject/*.c
files, I get this error at the beginning, then a long string of
"undefined reference" errors  (such as below):


============================
generating symbol list for `libgobject-2.0.la'
   dlltool --export-all --exclude-symbols
DllMain@12,_cygwin_dll_entry@12,_cygwin_noncygwin_dll_entry@12,DllMainCRTStartup@12,DllEntryPoint@12 

--output-def .libs/cyggobject-2.0-0.dll-def  gboxed.lo gclosure.lo
genums.lo gobject.lo gparam.lo gparamspecs.lo gsignal.lo
gsourceclosure.lo gtype.lo gtypemodule.lo gtypeplugin.lo gvalue.lo
gvaluearray.lo gvaluetransform.lo gvaluetypes.lo
   sed -e "1,/EXPORTS/d" -e "s/ @ [0-9]*//" -e "s/ *;.*$//" <
.libs/cyggobject-2.0-0.dll-def > .libs/libgobject-2.0.exp
if test "x`head -1 .libs/libgobject-2.0.exp`" = xEXPORTS; then cp
.libs/libgobject-2.0.exp .libs/cyggobject-2.0-0.dll-def; else echo
EXPORTS > .libs/cyggobject-2.0-0.dll-def; _lt_hint=1; cat
.libs/libgobject-2.0.exp | while read symbol; do set dummy $symbol; case
$# in 2) echo " $2 @ $_lt_hint ; " >> .libs/cyggobject-2.0-0.dll-def;;
*) echo " $2 @ $_lt_hint $3 ; " >> .libs/cyggobject-2.0-0.dll-def;;
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-Wl,-e,__cygwin_dll_entry@12 -o .libs/cyggobject-2.0-0.dll  gboxed.lo
gclosure.lo genums.lo gobject.lo gparam.lo gparamspecs.lo gsignal.lo
gsourceclosure.lo gtype.lo gtypemodule.lo gtypeplugin.lo gvalue.lo
gvaluearray.lo gvaluetransform.lo gvaluetypes.lo  -L/usr/lib -L/lib
-L/opt/garnome/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib .libs/libimp-cygintl-2.a
.libs/libimp-cygiconv-2.a
gboxed.lo: In function `value_copy':
/d/Archives/cygwin.other/garnome/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/gobject/gboxed.c:70: 

undefined reference to `g_malloc0'
gboxed.lo: In function `value_free':
/d/Archives/cygwin.other/garnome/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/gobject/gboxed.c:87: 

undefined reference to `g_free'
gboxed.lo: In function `gstring_copy':
============================

and so forth, until it fails out at:


============================
/d/Archives/cygwin.other/garnome/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/gobject/gvaluetypes.c:871: 

undefined reference to `g_strdup'
gvaluetypes.lo: In function `g_pointer_type_register_static':
/d/Archives/cygwin.other/garnome/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/gobject/gvaluetypes.c:898: 

undefined reference to `g_log'
/usr/lib/libcygwin.a(libcmain.o)(.text+0x81): undefined reference to
`WinMain@16'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[7]: *** [libgobject-2.0.la] Error 1
============================



Does that shared library error earlier on have something to do with
this?  (I have a log file of the entire run, including the errors, if it
would be of any use to anyone).





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Hi, I run into a strange error building the latest
garnome (0.17.1) on a Pentium 4 Red Hat 7.3 machine
with gcc 3.2.  Actually I am having the same problem
with all recent versions of garnome (since about
0.16.0).  I have gcc 3.2 installed in a non-standard
place (in /share/software/gcc-3.2/installed/bin).  I
force the use of gcc 3.2 via the environment variables
PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH.

This are the error messages:

.
.
.
[===== NOW BUILDING:	glib-2.0.6	=====]
	[fetch] complete for glib.
	[checksum] complete for glib.
	[extract] complete for glib.
	[patch] complete for glib.
 ==> Building gnome/pkgconfig as a dependency
 ==> Building gnome/gtk-doc as a dependency
	[configure] complete for glib.
 ==> Running make in work/glib-2.0.6
make[5]: Entering directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6'
make  all-recursive
make[6]: Entering directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6'
Making all in .
make[7]: Entering directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6'
make[7]: Nothing to be done for `all-am'.
make[7]: Leaving directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6'
Making all in m4macros
make[7]: Entering directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/m4macros'
make[7]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[7]: Leaving directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/m4macros'
Making all in glib
make[7]: Entering directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/glib'
Making all in libcharset
make[8]: Entering directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/glib/libcharset'
make[8]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[8]: Leaving directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/glib/libcharset'
make[8]: Entering directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/glib'
make[8]: Nothing to be done for `all-am'.
make[8]: Leaving directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/glib'
make[7]: Leaving directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/glib'
Making all in gobject
make[7]: Entering directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/gobject'
echo "#ifndef __G_MARSHAL_H__" > xgen-gmh \
&& echo "#define __G_MARSHAL_H__" >> xgen-gmh \
&& ./glib-genmarshal --nostdinc
--prefix=g_cclosure_marshal ./gmarshal.list --header
>> xgen-gmh \
&& echo "#endif /* __G_MARSHAL_H__ */" >> xgen-gmh \
&& (cmp -s xgen-gmh ./gmarshal.h || cp xgen-gmh
./gmarshal.h) \
&& rm -f xgen-gmh xgen-gmh~ \
&& echo timestamp > stamp-gmarshal.h
lt-glib-genmarshal: error while loading shared
libraries: libgcc_s.so.1: cannot open shared object
file: No such file or directory
make[7]: *** [stamp-gmarshal.h] Error 127
make[7]: Leaving directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/gobject'
make[6]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[6]: Leaving directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6'
make[5]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
make[5]: Leaving directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6'
make[4]: *** [build-work/glib-2.0.6/Makefile] Error 2
make[4]: Leaving directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib'
make[3]: *** [dep-../../gnome/glib] Error 2
make[3]: Leaving directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/atk'
make[2]: *** [dep-../../gnome/atk] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/gtk+'
make[1]: *** [dep-../../gnome/gtk+] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/metacity'
make: *** [dep-../../gnome/metacity] Error 2

My environment variables:

%echo $PATH
/share/software/gcc-3.2/installed/bin:/share/software/gnome2/installed/bin:/share/software/gnome/installed/bin:/home/atai/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin

%echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH
/share/software/gcc-3.2/installed/lib:/share/software/gnome2/installed/lib:/share/software/gcc-3.2/installed/lib:/share/software/gnome/installed/lib:/usr/local/bin


If I go into the glib directory and do ./configure &&
make && make install there, it works.

gcc 3.2 works otherwise on this system; I compiled a
lot of other software like latest samba and Linux
kernel on this configuration and they all work.

My binutils version is 2.13.

This may be a bug in GAR, or gcc, instead of garnome,
but I post it here first so if any garnome users can
help me solving this problem, that would be greatly
appreciated.

Andy

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> Hi, I run into a strange error building the latest garnome (0.17.1) on a
> Pentium 4 Red Hat 7.3 machine with gcc 3.2. Actually I am having the same
> problem with all recent versions of garnome (since about 0.16.0).  I have
> gcc 3.2 installed in a non-standard place (in
> /share/software/gcc-3.2/installed/bin).  I force the use of gcc 3.2 via
> the environment variables PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH.

I'd wager it's gcc, which looks homebuilt, rather than from your distro. Try
building with your distro-supplied gcc instead.

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Thanks for the reply.  With Red Hat 7, the distro
compiler is gcc 2.96.  So you can see that I try to
avoid it...

I wonder if anyone else successfully used gcc 3.2 with
Garnome.  For these people, where do you install your
gcc 3.2?

--- Jeff Waugh  wrote:

> 
> I'd wager it's gcc, which looks homebuilt, rather
> than from your distro. Try
> building with your distro-supplied gcc instead.
> 
> - Jeff
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> Thanks for the reply.  With Red Hat 7, the distro compiler is gcc 2.96.
> So you can see that I try to avoid it...

No, I can't see why. It has small issues with advanced numeric calculations.
It is not broken. Don't believe-- don't believe-- don't believe the hype.

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> I wonder if anyone else successfully used gcc 3.2 with Garnome.  For these
> people, where do you install your gcc 3.2?

I use gcc 3.2 (provided by my distribution) to test GARNOME. It works. The
only issues I've seen with it were related to homebrew systems and homebrew
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OK, I think I find a way to make it work.  
In gar.conf.mk, there is a line
LD_LIBRARY_PATH :=
/lib:$(DESTDIR)$(libdir):$(DESTDIR)$(BUILD_PREFIX)/lib:/lib:/usr/lib:

which does not carry in the existing LD_LIBRARY_PATH
values.  Maybe that line should be changed as 

LD_LIBRARY_PATH :=
/lib:$(DESTDIR)$(libdir):$(DESTDIR)$(BUILD_PREFIX)/lib:/lib:/usr/lib:$(LD_LIBRARY_PATH)

so people using custom (homebrewed) compilers and
environments can have their tools working with
garnome...

--- Jeff Waugh  wrote:
> 
> 
> > Thanks for the reply.  With Red Hat 7, the distro
> compiler is gcc 2.96.
> > So you can see that I try to avoid it...
> 
> No, I can't see why. It has small issues with
> advanced numeric calculations.
> It is not broken. Don't believe-- don't believe--
> don't believe the hype.
> 
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>   I'm the epitome - a public enemy
>   Used, abused without clues
>   I refused to blow a fuse
>   They even had it on the news
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> 
> - Jeff

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On Monday 23 September 2002 19:55, Andy Tai wrote:
>Thanks for the reply.  With Red Hat 7, the distro
>compiler is gcc 2.96.  So you can see that I try to
>avoid it...

The question though is why?  If you have been keeping the system 
up2date, then the installed version s/b 2.96-112, and thats quite 
capable AFAIK.  I had gcc-3.2 in for a while, but finally ripped it 
back out because it couldn't find the installed qt-3.0.4 lbs when 
there were 4 of them installed here & there.  Lifes too short to 
screw with such headaches.

>I wonder if anyone else successfully used gcc 3.2 with
>Garnome.  For these people, where do you install your
>gcc 3.2?
>
>--- Jeff Waugh  wrote:
>> I'd wager it's gcc, which looks homebuilt, rather
>> than from your distro. Try
>> building with your distro-supplied gcc instead.
>>
>> - Jeff
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Hi James,

I haven't tried building GNOME2 for CygWin, but I do know that there are at 
least two GNOME ports to CygWin+X out there:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/steven.obrien2/
http://www.geocities.co.jp/SiliconValley/1596/en/cygwin.html#GnomeHello-0.1

I don't know how far the GNOME2 progress is (or if work is even beyond the 
planning stage), but it would be great if that work (and the work of the 
MacOSX fink port of GNOME2) could be folded into GARNOME so that those 
platform ports would be always up to date and so GARNOME could become even 
more popular.

You might try and talk to one of the porters and ask for advice or have them 
post here if they need any input on how the GARNOME port works.

Best of luck,
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I get the following error when compiling gnome-hacker-tools:

.....
gda-mysql-provider.c:1094: conflicting types for
`g_type_check_instance_cast'
/home/roku/garnome/include/glib-2.0/gobject/gtype.h:319: previous
declaration of `g_type_check_instance_cast'
gda-mysql-provider.c:1094: warning: type defaults to `int' in
declaration of `gda_data_model_get_type'
gda-mysql-provider.c:1094: conflicting types for
`gda_data_model_get_type'
../../libgda/gda-data-model.h:73: previous declaration of
`gda_data_model_get_type'
gda-mysql-provider.c:1094: parse error before `)'
gda-mysql-provider.c:1097: parse error before `('
gda-mysql-provider.c:1097: warning: type defaults to `int' in
declaration of `gda_value_free'
gda-mysql-provider.c:1097: `gda_value_free' redeclared as different kind
of symbol
../../libgda/gda-value.h:134: previous declaration of `gda_value_free'
gda-mysql-provider.c:1097: parse error before `void'
gda-mysql-provider.c:1098: warning: type defaults to `int' in
declaration of `g_list_free'
gda-mysql-provider.c:1098: warning: parameter names (without types) in
function declaration
gda-mysql-provider.c:1098: conflicting types for `g_list_free'
/home/roku/garnome/include/glib-2.0/glib/glist.h:48: previous
declaration of `g_list_free'
gda-mysql-provider.c:1098: warning: data definition has no type or
storage classgda-mysql-provider.c:1099: parse error before `}'
gda-mysql-provider.c:1101: warning: type defaults to `int' in
declaration of `mysql_free_result'
gda-mysql-provider.c:1101: warning: parameter names (without types) in
function declaration
gda-mysql-provider.c:1101: warning: data definition has no type or
storage classgda-mysql-provider.c:1103: parse error before `return'
make[7]: *** [gda-mysql-provider.lo] Error 1
make[7]: Leaving directory
`/home/roku/tmp/installed/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/libgda/work/libgda-0.8.193/providers/mysql'
make[6]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[6]: Leaving directory
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make[5]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
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`/home/roku/tmp/installed/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/libgda/work/libgda-0.8.193'
make[4]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
make[4]: Leaving directory
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make[3]: Leaving directory
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make[2]: Leaving directory
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make[1]: *** [dep-../../gnome/libgnomedb] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory
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[dep-../../gnome/glade] Error 2
roku@gideon:~/tmp/installed/garnome-0.17.1/meta/gno

------------------------

The same, if I try to compile gnome-office. Its always a problem with
libgda.



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Gruss,

	Rolf


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> LD_LIBRARY_PATH :=
> /lib:$(DESTDIR)$(libdir):$(DESTDIR)$(BUILD_PREFIX)/lib:/lib:/usr/lib:$(LD_LIBRARY_PATH)

Sweet, ta, will be added to next release.

- Jeff

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   it as good as the Macintosh.  To try to be like Windows is to try for    
                      second-best." - Richard Stallman                      

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Hey guys,

I know my problem is a wrong version of MySQL-client and MYSQL-devel.
I tried version 3.23 and 4.0 but I still get errors (something about the
mystrings.so stuff)...
Finally I tried to deinstall all MySQL stuff and recompiled the libgda
stuff, successfully :)

Can anyone tell me what the right MySQL setup is to get libgda compiled
?

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Everytime I try to compile a garnoome version since 0.15.x I get an
error message, that index.sgml file located in DOC/C/html cannot be
found. See below for a detailed error msg.
My workaround is to craete a file with that name in the given directory
without any content, and it works.
This happens when compiling gnomedb or libgda for example.

Is there anybody with the same feature ?

---------------
/usr/bin/install: cannot stat `./html/index.sgml': No such file or
directory
make[6]: *** [install-data-local] Error 1
make[6]: Leaving directory
`/home/roku/tmp/installed/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/libgnomedb/work/libgnomedb-0.8.193/doc/C'
make[5]: *** [install-am] Error 2
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make[1]: *** [dep-../../gnome/libgnomedb] Error 2
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	Rolf





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I've looked at those 2 projects, and besides that I have yet to get a 
successful compile on them, I also wanted to try and get Gnome 2 
running.  Working with Garnome is an experiment to see if it can be 
done, as well as gain some program troubleshooting experience in the 
process.

Even Steven Obrien on his site says he'd like to concentrate less on 
Gnome 1.4 & more on 2.0x.


Robert Devi wrote:
> Hi James,
> 
> I haven't tried building GNOME2 for CygWin, but I do know that there are 
> at least two GNOME ports to CygWin+X out there:



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Hey Jeff & Garnomer's.

Now that school's started again I find myself very busy with things not 
Gnome. I'd love to stay current with my Garnome builds but I don't want 
it to be a chore. I notice myself not reading the majority of mail on 
this list.

I'm wondering if the gnome.org list manager would be kind enough to 
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posted here could be cc'ed.

Is that a reasonable request, Jeff?

Thanks,
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Hello All:

I'm Robotito. Yesterday I downloaded garnome 0.17.1, but after downloading 
libgnomeprint and freetype2, i got this error message:

...
Scanning path /home/robotito/garnome/lib/groff/font (recursive)
Unsuccessful stat: /home/robotito/garnome/lib/groff/font
Scanning path /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts
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Scanning path /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/CID (recursive)
Scanning path /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo (recursive)
Scanning path /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1 (recursive)
make[5]: *** [install-data-local] Violación de segmento
make[5]: Saliendo directorio 
`/c/temp/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/libgnomeprint/work/libgnomeprint-1.116.0/installer'
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make[4]: Saliendo directorio 
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make[3]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
make[3]: Saliendo directorio 
`/c/temp/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/libgnomeprint/work/libgnomeprint-1.116.0'
make[2]: *** [install-work/libgnomeprint-1.116.0/Makefile] Error 2
make[2]: Saliendo directorio `/c/temp/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/libgnomeprint'
make[1]: *** [dep-../../gnome/libgnomeprint] Error 2
make[1]: Saliendo directorio `/c/temp/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/eog'
make: *** [dep-../../gnome/eog] Error 2


What would it be? I have RedHat 7.3 upgraded from 7.2, and make-installing 
garnome as a normal user.

Help would be grateful.


Saludos,

Luis Julian.





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Is it possible to build garnome without building any of the KDE
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> Is it possible to build garnome without building any of the KDE
> components?

Yes. Build the meta garballs (as described on the website), or other GNOME
garballs individually if you choose.

- Jeff

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> I'm wondering if the gnome.org list manager would be kind enough to 
> create a garnome-announce list where the latest release eMail normally 
> posted here could be cc'ed.
> 
> Is that a reasonable request, Jeff?

You can subscribe to gnome-announce-list. I send GARNOME announcements
there. We're not all that fond of making new lists all the time, and I'd
prefer to keep just the one for GARNOME.

Thanks,

- Jeff

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> Everytime I try to compile a garnoome version since 0.15.x I get an
> error message, that index.sgml file located in DOC/C/html cannot be
> found. See below for a detailed error msg.
> My workaround is to craete a file with that name in the given directory
> without any content, and it works.
> This happens when compiling gnomedb or libgda for example.

Yeah, happens to everyone. Just make install again, or touch the file.

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or install gtk-doc tools or something.  read the FAQ for libgda, it's in
there.  it's a make problem, but seen during make install.  for debian
install the package gtk-doc-tools

regards,
Sean

PS I sent an e-mail about this a few weeks ago.

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>
> > Everytime I try to compile a garnoome version since 0.15.x I get an
> > error message, that index.sgml file located in DOC/C/html cannot be
> > found. See below for a detailed error msg.
> > My workaround is to craete a file with that name in the given directory
> > without any content, and it works.
> > This happens when compiling gnomedb or libgda for example.
>
> Yeah, happens to everyone. Just make install again, or touch the file.
>
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> or install gtk-doc tools or something.  read the FAQ for libgda, it's in
> there.  it's a make problem, but seen during make install.  for debian
> install the package gtk-doc-tools

GARNOME installs gtk-doc, but the libgnomedb libraries don't respect
--disable-gtk-doc (which is used across the board in GARNOME builds).

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Hi Guys,

I am using garnome 0.17.1 and I am getting a compile error when I get to ye=
lp-1.0.6 the error is as follows:

usr/local/garnome/include -I/usr/local/garnome/include/freetype2 -I/usr/loc=
al/garnome/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/garnome/lib/glib-2.0/include   -D_=
REENTRANT -DORBIT2=3D1 -I/usr/local/garnome/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/lo=
cal/garnome/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/garnome/include/bonobo-a=
ctivation-2.0 -I/usr/local/garnome/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/garnome/li=
b/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/garnome/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/garn=
ome/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/garnome/include/linc-1.0 -I/usr/local/garn=
ome/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/garnome/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/=
local/garnome/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/garnome/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -=
I/usr/local/garnome/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/garnome/include=
/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/garnome/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/garnome/inclu=
de/libbonoboui-2.0 -I/usr/local/garnome/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/garn=
ome/include -I/usr/local/garnome/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/garnome/lib=
/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/garnome/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/X11R6/include =
  -I/usr/local/garnome/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -L/usr/local/garnome/li=
b -L/usr/X11R6/lib -O2 -pipe -g -I/usr/local/garnome/include -I/usr/X11R6/i=
nclude -L/usr/local/garnome/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib -O2 -pipe -Wall -Wno-unini=
tialized -Wchar-subscripts -Wmissing-declarations -Wmissing-prototypes -Wne=
sted-externs -Wpointer-arith         -Wno-sign-compare -Wsign-promo -c yelp=
-window.c
yelp-window.c: In function `window_populate':
yelp-window.c:265: `gettext' undeclared (first use in this function)
yelp-window.c:265: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
yelp-window.c:265: for each function it appears in.)
make[4]: *** [yelp-window.o] Error 1
make[4]: Leaving directory `/home/matjc/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/yelp/work/yelp=
-1.0.6/src'
make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/matjc/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/yelp/work/yelp=
-1.0.6'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/matjc/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/yelp/work/yelp=
-1.0.6'
make[1]: *** [build-work/yelp-1.0.6/Makefile] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/matjc/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/yelp'
make: *** [dep-../../gnome/yelp] Error 2

Is anyone able to tell me how I can fix this please there doesnt seam to be=
 any problems with the configure of this ..

thanks
Toby.

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> yelp-window.c: In function `window_populate':
> yelp-window.c:265: `gettext' undeclared (first use in this function)
> yelp-window.c:265: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
> yelp-window.c:265: for each function it appears in.)

> Is anyone able to tell me how I can fix this please there doesnt seam to
> be any problems with the configure of this ..

Got gettext?

- Jeff

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Greetings Garnomers,
Thanks for your previous help. I decided to reinstall garnome this time t=
o=20
/opt/garnome. It seems to be happy there with no error messages on=20
completion. Now  my question.
I'm running Mandrake 8.2 on i686 - 791meg  processor - 512meg of RAM
Can I have Garnome configured so that it is one of the choices in the men=
u of=20
the login screen as is KDE 2 -KDE 3 -GNOME 1.4 - ENLIGHTENMENT etc.
If it's possible then "How do I do it?"
If it's not possible then "What's the best way to run and use it?"
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Hi,

During my attempts to get garnome-0.17.1 installed on SuSE 8.0 the
installation stops while compiling and installing gnome-applets with the
following message, which I am unable to understand. 
The pasted message could contain some mistakes, because of the fact I
had to translate it from german to english manually.
I would be happy to get some help in order to understand its sense.

Many thanks,

Matthias



Here is the error-message:
__________________________________________________________________________
Making all in descs   
make [5]: changing directory directory <>AM_armeninan.keygroup<< needed
by >>al-am<<.stop  
make [5]: leaving directory directory
>>work/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome/applets-2.0.3/gkb-new/descs<<     
make [4] *** [all-recursive] error 1   
make [4]: leaving directory directory
/work/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new<<     
make [3]: *** [all-recursive] error 1       
make [3]: leaving directory directory
_>>/work/garnome-1.17.1/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3>>     make [2]: *** [all-recursive] error 2    
make [2]: leaving directory directory
>>/work/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3       
make [1]: *** [build-work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/Makefile] error 2    
make [1] leaving directory directory
>>/work/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/gnome-applets<< 
make: *** [dep-../../gnome/gnome-applets] error 2
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Check out my email on integrating gdm2 into Mandrake. It also explains
your needs.

http://mail.gnome.org/archives/garnome-list/2002-September/msg00028.html

-A.

ke, 25-09-2002 kello 15:45, Richard Bond kirjoitti:
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> Thanks for your previous help. I decided to reinstall garnome this time t=
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> Can I have Garnome configured so that it is one of the choices in the men=
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Hello: In garnome 0.17.1 et al. the Workspace Switcher applet is not
working for me. All I want to do is go from 1 workspace to 8 workspaces.
So I try to use help but it crashes on me and so I try to file a bug
report with Bug Buddy. Where I have to type in what happened I am not
able to do any typing in the Bug Buddy form. So after someone updates
their garnome do they have problems with the above applet?

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On Thu, 2002-09-26 at 08:48, Michael Dewey wrote:
> Hello: In garnome 0.17.1 et al. the Workspace Switcher applet is not
> working for me. All I want to do is go from 1 workspace to 8 workspaces.
> So I try to use help but it crashes on me and so I try to file a bug
> report with Bug Buddy. Where I have to type in what happened I am not
> able to do any typing in the Bug Buddy form. So after someone updates
> their garnome do they have problems with the above applet?
>=20

Running garnome 0.17.1 I have no problems with that applet. (I am also
using vbs on top of garnome, but only to compile libgnomeprint*,
libguppi, and gnumeric from cvs. THat shouldn't affect the behaviour of
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Hmmz

It only crashed on my when using sawfish, After switching to metacity it
worked like a charm.

Hope this helps

Ron

On Thu, 2002-09-26 at 17:00, Andreas J. Guelzow wrote:
> On Thu, 2002-09-26 at 08:48, Michael Dewey wrote:
> > Hello: In garnome 0.17.1 et al. the Workspace Switcher applet is not
> > working for me. All I want to do is go from 1 workspace to 8 workspaces.
> > So I try to use help but it crashes on me and so I try to file a bug
> > report with Bug Buddy. Where I have to type in what happened I am not
> > able to do any typing in the Bug Buddy form. So after someone updates
> > their garnome do they have problems with the above applet?
> > 
> 
> Running garnome 0.17.1 I have no problems with that applet. (I am also
> using vbs on top of garnome, but only to compile libgnomeprint*,
> libguppi, and gnumeric from cvs. THat shouldn't affect the behaviour of
> that applet.)
> 
> Andreas
> 



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Hello!

I can't find the good old each and paranoid_each in the latest garnome 
distribution.
Is there another way now to accomplish what they did?

Thanks,
Robert


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On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 18:01, Robert Staudinger wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> I can't find the good old each and paranoid_each in the latest garnome 
> distribution.
> Is there another way now to accomplish what they did?

There is a makefile in the toplevel directory. This can be used for
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make install

make paranoid-extract

etc...

Cheers
Jens


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Hi, this doesn't seem to be fixed in 0.17.1.

Larry

Jeff Waugh wrote:

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>  
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>>Any particular reason LD_LIBRARY_PATH changed in gar.conf.mk 0.15.1?
>>    
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>Yeah, I brought it in from upstream. I didn't expect it to cause many
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> Hi, this doesn't seem to be fixed in 0.17.1.

Will be in the next, thanks.

- Jeff

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Hello,

I know this subject has come up quite a bit (gdm and garnome) but none
of the past posts seem to address this issue.  So...

I have just installed garnome 0.17.1 and set up gdm to run.  I added
the required LD_LIBRARY_PATH et. all to the
"$HOME/garnome/etc/gdm/gnomerc" file and logged in via gdm.  It works
great!  There is only one exception between simply using the
".xsession" file and gdm: the font size.  When I use the ".xsession"
file via startx the font "Sans 10" is of proper size to see on my
1600x1200 display.  But when I log in via gdm the size 10 font looks
small and I have to increase the font size to 14.  

Is this an expected behavior, or is gdm doing something wrong in the
startup.  Garnome seems to run fine in every other respect...

Thanks
Parrish

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Could this have something to do with which resolution it's using?

Last I looked at my kdm file it was starting at a 100 dpi, while when I 
ran from bash it started at 72, because startx executed 'X -dpi ...'.

--Pat

Parrish M Myers wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I know this subject has come up quite a bit (gdm and garnome) but none
> of the past posts seem to address this issue.  So...
> 
> I have just installed garnome 0.17.1 and set up gdm to run.  I added
> the required LD_LIBRARY_PATH et. all to the
> "$HOME/garnome/etc/gdm/gnomerc" file and logged in via gdm.  It works
> great!  There is only one exception between simply using the
> ".xsession" file and gdm: the font size.  When I use the ".xsession"
> file via startx the font "Sans 10" is of proper size to see on my
> 1600x1200 display.  But when I log in via gdm the size 10 font looks
> small and I have to increase the font size to 14.  
> 
> Is this an expected behavior, or is gdm doing something wrong in the
> startup.  Garnome seems to run fine in every other respect...
> 
> Thanks
> Parrish
> 
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Wow, your right!

I checked the resolution difference between startx and gdm... aparently
gdm starts the X server in 72 dpi while startx starts the server in
100.  Go figure.  I simply added the '-dpi 100' option to the X command
in the gdm config file (don't know if this is the right place to do
this... but it works).

Thank you.

--- Pat Suwalski  wrote:
> Could this have something to do with which resolution it's using?
> 
> Last I looked at my kdm file it was starting at a 100 dpi, while when
> I 
> ran from bash it started at 72, because startx executed 'X -dpi ...'.
> 
> --Pat
> 
> Parrish M Myers wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I know this subject has come up quite a bit (gdm and garnome) but
> none
> > of the past posts seem to address this issue.  So...
> > 
> > I have just installed garnome 0.17.1 and set up gdm to run.  I
> added
> > the required LD_LIBRARY_PATH et. all to the
> > "$HOME/garnome/etc/gdm/gnomerc" file and logged in via gdm.  It
> works
> > great!  There is only one exception between simply using the
> > ".xsession" file and gdm: the font size.  When I use the
> ".xsession"
> > file via startx the font "Sans 10" is of proper size to see on my
> > 1600x1200 display.  But when I log in via gdm the size 10 font
> looks
> > small and I have to increase the font size to 14.  
> > 
> > Is this an expected behavior, or is gdm doing something wrong in
> the
> > startup.  Garnome seems to run fine in every other respect...
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Parrish
> > 
> > =====
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hey Jeff,
Do you think you could mention in the docs somewhere that you need guile
to build aisleriot or something?  I just found out that I was running the
old version, so I wanted to try out the new one.  It's really buggy.  it
would be nice if the garnome users could test it out a little.  I found
two crashing bugs so far.

Thanks,
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Hello

I finished a patch for building rpm packages from garnome-0.17.1.
The packages created are the ones under gnome and misc subdirectories. 
Others will follow soon.

The patch is available at:

http://www.rcsnet.net/pub/Gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/patches/garnome-package-0.17.1.patch

The packages:

http://www.rcsnet.net/pub/Gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/SRPMS/
http://www.rcsnet.net/pub/Gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/RPMS/i386
http://www.rcsnet.net/pub/Gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/RPMS/noarch

The packages for garnome-0.15.0 are also available under
http://www.rcsnet.net/pub/Gnome2/garnome-0.15.0

Please take care when using binary packages (my build host is far from 
being a standard redhat ...) ...

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Never tried that my self, but:

- Download the same gdm Version you have
- Uninstall old gdm
- Link all gdm Files from $HOME/garnome/... to /usr/bin
- Restart X

If it ist noch working, delete the Links and reinstall gdm by=20

init 3
rpm -ihv gdm*.rpm
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On Sun, 2002-09-01 at 05:20, Jason Trickett wrote:
> Hi.
> I installed gdm thru gnome-fifth-toe (garnome-0.13.1) and I wish to use
> this newer version as my login manager. Could someone point me in the
> right direction? Thanks.

Prolly depends on distro. On debian I installed gdm into the garnome
install directory (as root, but I don't know if that is needed [I
figrured so because of pam interaction]. Everything else I installed as
user). Then I edited /etc/init.d/gdm to point to the new gdm. Also,
either set HEED_DEFAULT_DISPLAY_MANAGER=false in /etc/init.d/gdm or
leave it as true, but change /etc/X11/default-display-manager to point
to new gdm. (There may be a Debian Way to set this, but I couldn't find
it and just used vi)



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Hi guys. I encounter the following error message when compiling gimp
1.3.7 (gnome-fifth-toe). If anybody can decipher it and lead me in the
right direction I will be most thankful. Thanks!

- Jason

: undefined reference to `procedural_db_execute'
plug-in/libappplug-in.a(plug-in.o): In function
`plug_in_handle_proc_install':
/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-in.c:1612: undefined reference to `procedural_db_register'
plug-in/libappplug-in.a(plug-in.o): In function `plug_in_temp_run':
/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-in.c:1835: undefined reference to `procedural_db_return_args'
/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-in.c:1849: undefined reference to `procedural_db_return_args'
plug-in/libappplug-in.a(plug-ins.o): In function `plug_ins_add_to_db':
/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-ins.c:591: undefined reference to `procedural_db_register'
/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-ins.c:623: undefined reference to `procedural_db_execute'
plug-in/libappplug-in.a(plug-ins.o): In function
`plug_ins_proc_def_remove':
/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-ins.c:728: undefined reference to `procedural_db_unregister'
plug-in/libappplug-in.a(plug-in-params.o): In function
`plug_in_args_destroy':
/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-in-params.c:450: undefined reference to `procedural_db_destroy_args'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[6]: *** [gimp-1.3] Error 1
make[6]: Leaving directory
`/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app'
make[5]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[5]: Leaving directory
`/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app'
make[4]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[4]: Leaving directory
`/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7'
make[3]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
make[3]: Leaving directory
`/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7'
make[2]: *** [build-work/gimp-1.3.7/Makefile] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp'
make[1]: *** [dep-../../gnome/gimp] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp-freetype'
make: *** [dep-../../gnome/gimp-freetype] Error 2


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Hi guys. I encounter the following error message when compiling gimp 1.3.7 (gnome-fifth-toe). If anybody can decipher it and lead me in the right direction I will be most thankful. Thanks!





- Jason





: undefined reference to `procedural_db_execute'


plug-in/libappplug-in.a(plug-in.o): In function `plug_in_handle_proc_install':


/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-in.c:1612: undefined reference to `procedural_db_register'


plug-in/libappplug-in.a(plug-in.o): In function `plug_in_temp_run':


/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-in.c:1835: undefined reference to `procedural_db_return_args'


/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-in.c:1849: undefined reference to `procedural_db_return_args'


plug-in/libappplug-in.a(plug-ins.o): In function `plug_ins_add_to_db':


/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-ins.c:591: undefined reference to `procedural_db_register'


/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-ins.c:623: undefined reference to `procedural_db_execute'


plug-in/libappplug-in.a(plug-ins.o): In function `plug_ins_proc_def_remove':


/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-ins.c:728: undefined reference to `procedural_db_unregister'


plug-in/libappplug-in.a(plug-in-params.o): In function `plug_in_args_destroy':


/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app/plug-in/plug-in-params.c:450: undefined reference to `procedural_db_destroy_args'


collect2: ld returned 1 exit status


make[6]: *** [gimp-1.3] Error 1


make[6]: Leaving directory `/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app'


make[5]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1


make[5]: Leaving directory `/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7/app'


make[4]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1


make[4]: Leaving directory `/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7'


make[3]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2


make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp/work/gimp-1.3.7'


make[2]: *** [build-work/gimp-1.3.7/Makefile] Error 2


make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp'


make[1]: *** [dep-../../gnome/gimp] Error 2


make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/jason/garnome-0.13.1/gnome/gimp-freetype'


make: *** [dep-../../gnome/gimp-freetype] Error 2






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On Sun, 2002-09-01 at 03:35, Mario Vukelic wrote:

On Sun, 2002-09-01 at 05:20, Jason Trickett wrote:
> Hi.
> I installed gdm thru gnome-fifth-toe (garnome-0.13.1) and I wish to use
> this newer version as my login manager. Could someone point me in the
> right direction? Thanks.

> Prolly depends on distro. On debian I installed gdm into the garnome
> install directory (as root, but I don't know if that is needed [I
> figrured so because of pam interaction]. Everything else I installed as
> user). Then I edited /etc/init.d/gdm to point to the new gdm. Also,
> either set HEED_DEFAULT_DISPLAY_MANAGER=false in /etc/init.d/gdm or
> leave it as true, but change /etc/X11/default-display-manager to point
> to new gdm. (There may be a Debian Way to set this, but I couldn't find
> it and just used vi)


Thanks for answering! I looked in /etc/init.d/ and there was not a file
named gdm to edit on my system (mandrake 8.1). Anyhoo, in
/etc/X11/prefdm i noticed some code that looks like this:

preferred=
if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/desktop ]; then
	. /etc/sysconfig/desktop >/dev/null 2>&1
	[ -n "$DISPLAYMANAGER" ] && DESKTOP=$DISPLAYMANAGER
	if [ "$DESKTOP" = "GNOME" -o "$DESKTOP" = "Gnome" ]; then
		preferred=gdm
	elif [ "$DESKTOP" = "KDE" -o "$DESKTOP" = "KDE1" -o "$DESKTOP" = "KDE2"
]; then
		preferred=/usr/bin/kdm
	elif [ "$DESKTOP" = "AnotherLevel" ] ; then
                preferred=/usr/X11R6/bin/xdm
	fi
fi

Could I edit 'preferred-gdm' to 'preferred=/home/jason/garnome/gdm' ?

- Jason


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On Sun, 2002-09-01 at 03:35, Mario Vukelic wrote:

On Sun, 2002-09-01 at 05:20, Jason Trickett wrote:
> Hi.
> I installed gdm thru gnome-fifth-toe (garnome-0.13.1) and I wish to use
> this newer version as my login manager. Could someone point me in the
> right direction? Thanks.

> Prolly depends on distro. On debian I installed gdm into the garnome
> install directory (as root, but I don't know if that is needed [I
> figrured so because of pam interaction]. Everything else I installed as
> user). Then I edited /etc/init.d/gdm to point to the new gdm. Also,
> either set HEED_DEFAULT_DISPLAY_MANAGER=false in /etc/init.d/gdm or
> leave it as true, but change /etc/X11/default-display-manager to point
> to new gdm. (There may be a Debian Way to set this, but I couldn't find
> it and just used vi)


Thanks for answering! I looked in /etc/init.d/ and there was not a file named gdm to edit on my system (mandrake 8.1). Anyhoo, in /etc/X11/prefdm i noticed some code that looks like this:





preferred=


if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/desktop ]; then


	. /etc/sysconfig/desktop >/dev/null 2>&1


	[ -n "$DISPLAYMANAGER" ] && DESKTOP=$DISPLAYMANAGER


	if [ "$DESKTOP" = "GNOME" -o "$DESKTOP" = "Gnome" ]; then


		preferred=gdm


	elif [ "$DESKTOP" = "KDE" -o "$DESKTOP" = "KDE1" -o "$DESKTOP" = "KDE2" ]; then


		preferred=/usr/bin/kdm


	elif [ "$DESKTOP" = "AnotherLevel" ] ; then


                preferred=/usr/X11R6/bin/xdm


	fi


fi





Could I edit 'preferred-gdm' to 'preferred=/home/jason/garnome/gdm' ?





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> Thanks for answering! I looked in /etc/init.d/ and there was not a file
> named gdm to edit on my system (mandrake 8.1).

Okay, as a warning, Mandrake does some really odd stuff with its X and *DM
startup scripts...

> Anyhoo, in /etc/X11/prefdm i noticed some code that looks like this:

> if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/desktop ]; then

> Could I edit 'preferred-gdm' to 'preferred=/home/jason/garnome/gdm' ?

No, it sounds like you want to edit environment variables set in
/etc/sysconfig/desktop. Or, you could just change /etc/inittab, but I'd
recommend attempting to do it 'The Mandrake Way' to begin with.

- Jeff

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Jeff Waugh wrote:

>
>
>  
>
>>Thanks for answering! I looked in /etc/init.d/ and there was not a file
>>named gdm to edit on my system (mandrake 8.1).
>>    
>>
>
>Okay, as a warning, Mandrake does some really odd stuff with its X and *DM
>startup scripts...
>
>  
>
>>Anyhoo, in /etc/X11/prefdm i noticed some code that looks like this:
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/desktop ]; then
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>Could I edit 'preferred-gdm' to 'preferred=/home/jason/garnome/gdm' ?
>>    
>>
>
>No, it sounds like you want to edit environment variables set in
>/etc/sysconfig/desktop. Or, you could just change /etc/inittab, but I'd
>recommend attempting to do it 'The Mandrake Way' to begin with.
>
>- Jeff
>
Wow, this is getting weird! The only contents in my 
/etc/sysconfig/desktop file is:

DESKTOP="Gnome"

Isn't this where my default desktop choice is stored? Also, in 
/etc/inittab the last few lines are:

# Run xdm in runlevel 5
# xdm is now a separate service
x:5:respawn:/etc/X11/prefdm -nodaemon

Isn't this just pointing back to the 'prefdm' file I mentioned before? 
All this jumping around is making my head spin

:)

- Jason


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> Wow, this is getting weird! The only contents in my 
> /etc/sysconfig/desktop file is:
> 
> DESKTOP="Gnome"
> 
> Isn't this where my default desktop choice is stored? Also, in 
> /etc/inittab the last few lines are:
> 
> # Run xdm in runlevel 5
> # xdm is now a separate service
> x:5:respawn:/etc/X11/prefdm -nodaemon
> 
> Isn't this just pointing back to the 'prefdm' file I mentioned before? 

Yeah, but see that it chooses the *DM based on other variables that its
looking for, so I'm assuming you can set them in /etc/sysconfig/desktop as
prefdm sources that file.

> All this jumping around is making my head spin

Welcome to Mandrake. :-)

- Jeff

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> > Isn't this just pointing back to the 'prefdm' file I mentioned before? 
> 
> Yeah, but see that it chooses the *DM based on other variables that its
> looking for, so I'm assuming you can set them in /etc/sysconfig/desktop as
> prefdm sources that file.

(If you haven't added your own desktop stuff for GARNOME, just change the
prefdm script, but note that Mandrake will kill it off later when you
upgrade or whatever.)

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is anyone keeping track of package dependencies outside of gnome-desktop
yet?  I know Jeff asked if someone would before.  If no one is yet, I'd be
willing to compile a simple list if people want to send me what
dependencies they know.

Also totem needs xine more recent than installed in woody.  Anyone know
where I can find debs for xine?

Sean



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Hi Sean,

On Sun, 2002-09-01 at 11:43, Sean Proctor wrote:
> is anyone keeping track of package dependencies outside of gnome-desktop
> yet?  I know Jeff asked if someone would before.  If no one is yet, I'd be
> willing to compile a simple list if people want to send me what
> dependencies they know.

I thought about compiling a list with dependencies, but wasn't sure what
would be the best way to make it. Ideally, you'd like to have a list of
packages needed for the individual components in gnome-fifth-toe. 

However, I couldn't think of a way to do so, except for the brain-dead
"delete all -dev packages, try to compile, successively add the required
-dev packages". Doing that for each component of fifth-toe would take
ages ... (and isn't particularly interesting).

The dependencies I found for all of gnome-fifth-toe together, just by
using GARNOME over time, are these:
  libogg-dev
  libvorbis-dev
  libpspell-dev
  libltdl3-devel
  libxine-dev
Package names are Debian sid's names.

> Also totem needs xine more recent than installed in woody.  Anyone know
> where I can find debs for xine?

Just use the sid packages?

Martijn


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On Sun, 2002-09-01 at 15:56, Martijn Anthonissen wrote:
> The dependencies I found for all of gnome-fifth-toe together, just by
> using GARNOME over time, are these:
>   libogg-dev
>   libvorbis-dev
>   libpspell-dev
>   libltdl3-devel
                ^^

Sorry: skip the "el" there. The package name is libltdl3-dev.

>   libxine-dev
> Package names are Debian sid's names.



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On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 12:16:00AM +0200, Olivier Guéry wrote:
> 
> Le 2002.08.31 22:10, Sean Proctor a écrit :
> >On Sun, 1 Sep 2002, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> >
> >> 
> >>
> >> > >That may have confused configure -> kill it and try again.
> >> >
> >> > You think a  rpm -e ??
> >> >
> >> > I also got a libiconv 1.8 compiled and install.
> >>
> >> ^ ARGH! NO WONDER!
> >
> >That's a problem I've had too.  Perhaps I didn't read libiconv close
> >enough.  libiconv is only for systems without glibc (or maybe system
> >with
> >really ancient glibc).  I don't know why mandrake would give you the
> >option of installing it.  You definitely shouldn't have it though.
> >
> >Sean
> 
> True... Removing libiconv make teh compilation work without problems.
> 
> Thank's all.
> 
> nemo.
> 

ARGGGG !!!!
Without libiconv, balsa don't work...
what can I do ??
I can't find libiciconv.so in garnome...

nemo.


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when i try to compile ggv in gnome-fifth-toe i get the following error:


-rpath -Wl,/home/paessler/garnome/lib
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Stream_GetShort'
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Stream_ExitFrame'
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Stream_GetLong'
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Stream_Seek'
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Get_Next_Char'
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Stream_EnterFrame'
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Get_First_Char'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[5]: *** [ggv] Error 1
make[5]: Leaving directory
`/usr/src/pakete/garnome-0.14.1/gnome/ggv/work/ggv-1.99.90/src'
make[4]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[4]: Leaving directory
`/usr/src/pakete/garnome-0.14.1/gnome/ggv/work/ggv-1.99.90/src'
make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory
`/usr/src/pakete/garnome-0.14.1/gnome/ggv/work/ggv-1.99.90'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory
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make[1]: *** [build-work/ggv-1.99.90/Makefile] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/pakete/garnome-0.14.1/gnome/ggv'
make: *** [dep-../../gnome/ggv] Error 2

pango is installed properly, so what is wrong?
any suggestions?

thanks

daniel


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> However, I couldn't think of a way to do so, except for the brain-dead
> "delete all -dev packages, try to compile, successively add the required
> -dev packages". Doing that for each component of fifth-toe would take
> ages ... (and isn't particularly interesting).

Heh. :-)

> The dependencies I found for all of gnome-fifth-toe together, just by
> using GARNOME over time, are these:
>   libogg-dev
>   libvorbis-dev
>   libpspell-dev
>   libltdl3-devel
>   libxine-dev
> Package names are Debian sid's names.

What I'm thinking of doing is noting these in the garball Makefiles, then
building a set of reference pages from those.

I have to upgrade to upstream GAR anyway, so I'll look at it again some time
this week.

Thanks for these,

- Jeff

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Im' ruinning a Slackware 8.0 with Xfree 4.1
I've just downloaded all the Gnome 2.0.1 tarballs and I'm using garnome 
0.13.1
This is the error I get:


In file included from pangoxft-private.h:25,
                  from pangoxft-font.c:26:
pangoxft.h:64: parse error before `pango_xft_font_get_face'
pangoxft.h:64: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of 
`pango_xft_font_get_face'
pangoxft.h:64: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
In file included from pangoxft-font.c:27:
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:34: parse error before 
`_XftFTlibrary'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:34: warning: type defaults to 
`int' in declaration of `_XftFTlibrary'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:34: warning: data definition 
has no type or storage class
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:37: parse error before 
`FT_Face'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:37: warning: no semicolon at 
end of struct or union
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:41: parse error before `size'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:41: warning: type defaults to 
`int' in declaration of `size'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:41: warning: data definition 
has no type or storage class
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:54: parse error before `matrix'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:54: warning: type defaults to 
`int' in declaration of `matrix'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:54: warning: data definition 
has no type or storage class
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:71: parse error before `face'
pangoxft-font.c: In function `get_mini_font':
pangoxft-font.c:164: `FT_Face' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:164: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
pangoxft-font.c:164: for each function it appears in.)
pangoxft-font.c:164: parse error before `face'
pangoxft-font.c:176: `face' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:181: warning: implicit declaration of function 
`FT_Get_Char_Index'
pangoxft-font.c: In function `pango_xft_real_render':
pangoxft-font.c:290: `FT_Face' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:290: parse error before `face'
pangoxft-font.c:312: `face' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c: In function `pango_xft_font_get_coverage':
pangoxft-font.c:531: `FT_Face' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:531: parse error before `face'
pangoxft-font.c:544: `face' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:549: `FT_UInt' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:549: parse error before `gindex'
pangoxft-font.c:550: `FT_ULong' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:552: `charcode' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:552: warning: implicit declaration of function 
`FT_Get_First_Char'
pangoxft-font.c:552: `gindex' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:556: warning: implicit declaration of function 
`FT_Get_Next_Char'
pangoxft-font.c: At top level:
pangoxft-font.c:681: parse error before `face'
pangoxft-font.c: In function `set_unicode_charmap':
pangoxft-font.c:685: `face' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:686: `ft_encoding_unicode' undeclared (first use in 
this function)
pangoxft-font.c:688: `FT_Error' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:688: parse error before `error'
pangoxft-font.c:689: `error' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:689: `FT_Err_Ok' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c: In function `load_fallback_font':
pangoxft-font.c:717: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
pangoxft-font.c: In function `pango_xft_font_get_font':
pangoxft-font.c:766: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
pangoxft-font.c: At top level:
pangoxft-font.c:834: parse error before `pango_xft_font_get_face'
pangoxft-font.c:835: warning: return-type defaults to `int'
pangoxft-font.c: In function `pango_xft_font_get_face':
pangoxft-font.c:838: warning: return makes integer from pointer without 
a cast
pangoxft-font.c:843: warning: return makes integer from pointer without 
a cast
pangoxft-font.c:845: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
pangoxft-font.c:846: warning: control reaches end of non-void function
pangoxft-font.c: In function `pango_xft_font_get_ot_info':
pangoxft-font.c:867: `FT_Face' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:867: parse error before `face'
pangoxft-font.c:869: `face' undeclared (first use in this function)
make[7]: *** [pangoxft-font.lo] Error 1

I've already read something in the archive about freetype but usually 
they consider the package freetype itself and the errors were different 
anyway.Here it seems that the problem could be the headers of XFree or  
am I wrong?
Is there a solution?
Thanks a lot
Lorenzo

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> ARGGGG !!!!
> Without libiconv, balsa don't work...
> what can I do ??
> I can't find libiciconv.so in garnome...

It's fairly likely that balsa is broken (it's not in GARNOME yet for this
reason).

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On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 12:38:51AM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
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> 
> > ARGGGG !!!!
> > Without libiconv, balsa don't work...
> > what can I do ??
> > I can't find libiciconv.so in garnome...
> 
> It's fairly likely that balsa is broken (it's not in GARNOME yet for this
> reason).
> 

Cool :o) What can I use to read mail ?? I like mutt, but, I like graphical tools too...

What do you recommand me (is there anyone with gnome 2 compatibility ?)
Pygmy, spurce, sylpheed...

I use fetchmail to get my mail came in, I just need someting to read my ~/Mail folder.
Evolution is eavy, and I can't configure it just to read the difrent file of my ~/Mail folder. 

Thank

nemo.

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> Cool :o) What can I use to read mail ?? I like mutt, but, I like graphical
> tools too...
> 
> What do you recommand me (is there anyone with gnome 2 compatibility ?)
> Pygmy, spurce, sylpheed...

If you like Balsa, why don't you install the 1.x packages for your
distribution?

- Jeff

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On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 01:03:30AM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
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> 
> > Cool :o) What can I use to read mail ?? I like mutt, but, I like graphical
> > tools too...
> > 
> > What do you recommand me (is there anyone with gnome 2 compatibility ?)
> > Pygmy, spurce, sylpheed...
> 
> If you like Balsa, why don't you install the 1.x packages for your
> distribution?
> 
> - Jeff

because if I tried to compile balsa 1.4.0 here is the result :

/sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:71: undefined reference to `libiconv_close'
../libmutt/libmutt.a(rfc2047.o): In function `try_block':
/sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:245: undefined reference to `libiconv'
/sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:245: undefined reference to `libiconv'
/sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:253: undefined reference to `libiconv_close'
/sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:249: undefined reference to `libiconv_close'
../libmutt/libmutt.a(rfc2047.o): In function `encode_block':
/sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:316: undefined reference to `libiconv'
/sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:317: undefined reference to `libiconv'
/sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:319: undefined reference to `libiconv_close'
../libmutt/libmutt.a(sendlib.o): In function `convert_file_to':
/sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/sendlib.c:725: undefined reference to `libiconv'
/sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/sendlib.c:749: undefined reference to `libiconv'
/sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/sendlib.c:808: undefined reference to `libiconv_close'
/sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/sendlib.c:810: undefined reference to `libiconv_close'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[2]: *** [balsa] Erreur 1
make[2]: Quitte le répertoire `/sources/balsa-1.4.0/src'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Erreur 1
make[1]: Quitte le répertoire `/sources/balsa-1.4.0'
make: *** [all-recursive-am] Erreur 2

It seems that he need libiconv too...
And runing my old balsa binari say that he need libiconv.so.2

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On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 05:10:39PM +0200, Olivier Guéry wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 01:03:30AM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > Cool :o) What can I use to read mail ?? I like mutt, but, I like graphical
> > > tools too...
> > > 
> > > What do you recommand me (is there anyone with gnome 2 compatibility ?)
> > > Pygmy, spurce, sylpheed...
> > 
> > If you like Balsa, why don't you install the 1.x packages for your
> > distribution?
> > 
> > - Jeff
> 
> because if I tried to compile balsa 1.4.0 here is the result :
> 
> /sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:71: undefined reference to `libiconv_close'
> ../libmutt/libmutt.a(rfc2047.o): In function `try_block':
> /sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:245: undefined reference to `libiconv'
> /sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:245: undefined reference to `libiconv'
> /sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:253: undefined reference to `libiconv_close'
> /sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:249: undefined reference to `libiconv_close'
> ../libmutt/libmutt.a(rfc2047.o): In function `encode_block':
> /sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:316: undefined reference to `libiconv'
> /sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:317: undefined reference to `libiconv'
> /sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/rfc2047.c:319: undefined reference to `libiconv_close'
> ../libmutt/libmutt.a(sendlib.o): In function `convert_file_to':
> /sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/sendlib.c:725: undefined reference to `libiconv'
> /sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/sendlib.c:749: undefined reference to `libiconv'
> /sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/sendlib.c:808: undefined reference to `libiconv_close'
> /sources/balsa-1.4.0/libmutt/sendlib.c:810: undefined reference to `libiconv_close'
> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
> make[2]: *** [balsa] Erreur 1
> make[2]: Quitte le répertoire `/sources/balsa-1.4.0/src'
> make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Erreur 1
> make[1]: Quitte le répertoire `/sources/balsa-1.4.0'
> make: *** [all-recursive-am] Erreur 2
> 
> It seems that he need libiconv too...
> And runing my old balsa binari say that he need libiconv.so.2
> 
> nemo.
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Sorry, I delet my balsa source and rebuilt it and it works... Sorry but It must be on of the mistery of the computers...

Once again, thanks for your help... And I expect balsa gone work with gnome 2...

nemo.

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Daniel,

'LD' is the gnu linker. The reason for your stream of errors is that 
code which calls libpangoft2 was compiled and then attempted to be 
linked, but the linker couldn't find the library this is probably because:

a) When you originally compiled pango, it didn't recognize freetype and 
didn't compile the libpangoft2 library. A quick way to check for this is 
to become root and type "ldconfig -v | less". Look through the resulting 
output for libpangoft2. Not there? Go back to pango and make sure that 
everything in pango is really compiling.

b) libpangoft2 did compile, and you have verified this by step (a). The 
probable culprit now is that somehow, the compiler didn't get passed the 
"-lpangoft2" option when it should have. Since I haven't yet built the 
most recent ggv, I can only conjecture as to the problem:

    - ggv's makefiles / ./configure are broken, and don't properly find 
pango.
    - pkgconfig is somehow not finding 
/lib/pkgconfig/pangoft2.pc,
      and therefore `pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0` isn't supplying the
      -lpangoft2 switch as it's supposed to

Hope this helps,

Idan



--

Daniel Paessler wrote:

>when i try to compile ggv in gnome-fifth-toe i get the following error:
>
>
>-rpath -Wl,/home/paessler/garnome/lib
>/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
>`FT_Stream_GetShort'
>/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
>`FT_Stream_ExitFrame'
>/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
>`FT_Stream_GetLong'
>/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
>`FT_Stream_Seek'
>/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
>`FT_Get_Next_Char'
>/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
>`FT_Stream_EnterFrame'
>/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
>`FT_Get_First_Char'
>collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
>
>  
>


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first, thank you for your explanation...i checked this and now
i am _very_ confused, look why:
btw. the directory /opt/gnome2 is a symlink to ~/garnome, so that
shouldn't confuse you

root@iphigenie:/ > ldconfig -v | grep libpangoft2
	
	libpangoft2-1.0.so.0 -> libpangoft2-1.0.so.0.0.4

this one is in my garnome directory...so going on:

root@iphigenie:/ > pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0
 -L/home/paessler/garnome/lib -lgtk-x11-2.0 -lgdk-x11-2.0
-lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lm -lpangoxft-1.0 -lpangox-1.0 -lpango-1.0 -latk-1.0
-lgobject-2.0 -lgmodule-2.0 -ldl -lglib-2.0  

as you can see, no libpangoft2, but why?

root@iphigenie:/ > pkg-config --libs pangoft2
 -L/home/paessler/garnome/lib -lpangoft2-1.0 -lpango-1.0 -lgobject-2.0
-lgmodule-2.0 -ldl -lglib-2.0  

it is there, really! and the .pc file also is where it should be:

root@iphigenie:/ > ls /opt/gnome2/lib/pkgconfig/pan*
/opt/gnome2/lib/pkgconfig/pango.pc    
/opt/gnome2/lib/pkgconfig/pangox.pc
/opt/gnome2/lib/pkgconfig/pangoft2.pc 
/opt/gnome2/lib/pkgconfig/pangoxft.pc

and at last:

root@iphigenie:/ > export |grep PKG_
declare -x PKG_CONFIG_PATH="/opt/gnome2/lib/pkgconfig"



Am Son, 2002-09-01 um 18.43 schrieb Idan Gazit:
> Daniel,
> 
> 'LD' is the gnu linker. The reason for your stream of errors is that 
> code which calls libpangoft2 was compiled and then attempted to be 
> linked, but the linker couldn't find the library this is probably because:
> 
> a) When you originally compiled pango, it didn't recognize freetype and 
> didn't compile the libpangoft2 library. A quick way to check for this is 
> to become root and type "ldconfig -v | less". Look through the resulting 
> output for libpangoft2. Not there? Go back to pango and make sure that 
> everything in pango is really compiling.
> 
> b) libpangoft2 did compile, and you have verified this by step (a). The 
> probable culprit now is that somehow, the compiler didn't get passed the 
> "-lpangoft2" option when it should have. Since I haven't yet built the 
> most recent ggv, I can only conjecture as to the problem:
> 
>     - ggv's makefiles / ./configure are broken, and don't properly find 
> pango.
>     - pkgconfig is somehow not finding 
> /lib/pkgconfig/pangoft2.pc,
>       and therefore `pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0` isn't supplying the
>       -lpangoft2 switch as it's supposed to
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> Idan
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Daniel Paessler wrote:
> 
> >when i try to compile ggv in gnome-fifth-toe i get the following error:
> >
> >
> >-rpath -Wl,/home/paessler/garnome/lib
> >/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
> >`FT_Stream_GetShort'
> >/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
> >`FT_Stream_ExitFrame'
> >/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
> >`FT_Stream_GetLong'
> >/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
> >`FT_Stream_Seek'
> >/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
> >`FT_Get_Next_Char'
> >/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
> >`FT_Stream_EnterFrame'
> >/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
> >`FT_Get_First_Char'
> >collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
> >
> >  
> >
> 
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Have you got it working already?

I have it working here, the Mandrake-way I believe :-)
But it is a while ago I set this up, so I would need to dig into it
again as well.

But I can do the digging if you still need it.

-A.

su, 01-09-2002 kello 11:37, Jason Trickett kirjoitti:
>=20
>=20
> Jeff Waugh wrote:
>=20
> >
> >
> > =20
> >
> >>Thanks for answering! I looked in /etc/init.d/ and there was not a file
> >>named gdm to edit on my system (mandrake 8.1).
> >>   =20
> >>
> >
> >Okay, as a warning, Mandrake does some really odd stuff with its X and *=
DM
> >startup scripts...
> >
> > =20
> >
> >>Anyhoo, in /etc/X11/prefdm i noticed some code that looks like this:
> >>   =20
> >>
> >
> > =20
> >
> >>if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/desktop ]; then
> >>   =20
> >>
> >
> > =20
> >
> >>Could I edit 'preferred-gdm' to 'preferred=3D/home/jason/garnome/gdm' ?
> >>   =20
> >>
> >
> >No, it sounds like you want to edit environment variables set in
> >/etc/sysconfig/desktop. Or, you could just change /etc/inittab, but I'd
> >recommend attempting to do it 'The Mandrake Way' to begin with.
> >
> >- Jeff
> >
> Wow, this is getting weird! The only contents in my=20
> /etc/sysconfig/desktop file is:
>=20
> DESKTOP=3D"Gnome"
>=20
> Isn't this where my default desktop choice is stored? Also, in=20
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> # xdm is now a separate service
> x:5:respawn:/etc/X11/prefdm -nodaemon
>=20
> Isn't this just pointing back to the 'prefdm' file I mentioned before?=20
> All this jumping around is making my head spin
>=20
> :)
>=20
> - Jason
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Daniel,

I looked into the ggv configure script and dug out the actual libraries 
it asks for:

~$ pkg-config --libs "libgnomeui-2.0 >= 1.96.0"

somewhere in the list this produces should be -lpangoft2-1.0. My 
apologies for the earlier mistake, it isn't "gtk+-2.0" that's checked in 
ggv's configure.

So, the root of the issue remains -- somewhere in your configure script 
there should be a "-lpangoft2-1.0 detected.

Try the following:

1) rm -rf your ggv dir
2) unpack a clean tarball
3) cd to it and:

./configure --enable-platform-gnome-2 --with-x --prefix=

Look at the scrolling text. At some point (this is usually accompanied 
by a sudden jump in text, because it is a sudden whole lot of text) 
there should be a listing of includes and libraries:

...
Checking GGV_CFLAGS -I ... -I ... -I ... 
Checking GGV_LIBS -l... -l... -l... 
...

Somewhere in GGV_LIBS there should be a -lpangoft2-1.0, if there isn't, 
then something is screwed up with your pkg-config after all. If there 
is, go on to compile it, and I don't think you should have the same 
problem you had before.

-Idan


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Hi,

Just downloaded, compiled and installed Garnome 0.14.0 after a long 
break from the 0.13.0

Unfortunately, my keyboard still does not repeat characters in the 
terminal or anywhere. I can just type one character at a time if I press 
a key and to repeat the character, I have to press the key again unlike 
usually when you just keep the key pressed to repeat the characters .

The themes metal, redmond do not work !! just as they did not work in 
the 0.13.0 but, did in 0.12.0

My battery applet still does not show up in the top Main menu panel. 
Altough, I can see it as an entry in the GConf-Editor. Now, If I cannot 
enjoy it, If somebody could tell me how to remove this invisible applet 
from the Main Menu panel.

Which is the file/directory in a users home directory which contains 
details/descriptions about all the applets added to all the panels on 
screen?


************ Suggestion ************

Is there any way I can use IceWM window manager with Garnome? I just 
like it a lot for it's numerous cool features and have been using it 
with Gnome 1.4 for a long time now.

Wow, Looks like we finally have the Favourites sub-menu in the main 
Garnome Menu. Now, if only we could have an option in the right-click 
pop-up menu of each item in the Menu as "Add to Favourites" and that 
particular item would be added to the Favourites sub-menu.

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begin  Jeff Waugh  quotation:
> What I'm thinking of doing is noting these in the garball Makefiles,
> then building a set of reference pages from those.
> 
> I have to upgrade to upstream GAR anyway, so I'll look at it again
> some time this week.

	It's probably worth doing anyway, as it has fixed some
potential gotchas with the way certain rules were laid out.

	See bugs 76 and 77 in the BBC BTS:

http://bugs.lnx-bbc.org/bugs/db/76/76.html
http://bugs.lnx-bbc.org/bugs/db/77/77.html

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Ok, lets see how I did this. Keep in mind I might not have gotten
everuthing the Mandrake-way, but it works for me.

Runlevel 5 starts /etc/X11/prefdm which reads /etc/sysconfig/desktop.
This config file tells prefdm the display-manager you would like to use.
I needed to modify prefdm in order for it to accept a new option (gdm2)
in the 'desktop'-file.

This is the diff for prefdm :

--- prefdm.rpmnew	Fri Mar 15 17:46:41 2002
+++ prefdm	Tue May  7 22:57:51 2002
@@ -41,6 +41,8 @@
 	[ -z "$DISPLAYMANAGER" ] && DISPLAYMANAGER=3D$DESKTOP
 	if [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "GDM" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "gdm" -o
"$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "GNOME" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "gnome" -o
"$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "Gnome" ]; then
 		preferred=3Dgdm
+	elif [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "GDM2" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "gdm2" -o
"$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "GNOME2" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "gnome2" -o
"$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "Gnome2" ]; then
+		preferred=3D/opt/garnome/bin/start-gdm
 	elif [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "KDM" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "kdm" -o
"$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "KDE" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "kde" ]; then
 		preferred=3Dkdm
 	elif [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "XDM" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" =3D "xdm" ] ; the=
n


As you can see a variable 'preferred' is used for launching the
display-manager in the end of the script. I need to set the full path to
a start-gdm script, because my gnome2 installation is not in the default
path.

I didn't call gdm directly because I did want to have anti-aliasing and
so on. So I created the following script called 'gdm-start'

#!/bin/sh
export PATH=3D/opt/garnome/bin:/opt/garnome/sbin:$PATH
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=3D/opt/garnome/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
export GDK_USE_XFT=3D1
exec /opt/garnome/bin/gdm -nodeamon

As you can see it start gdm. Now you are almost fully operational. But
off course you want to have gdm list all sessions Mandrake knows about.
For this I modified the gdm configuration (for me in
/opt/garnome/etc/gdm/gdm.conf) to point to the normal session
directories.

Here the config lines I changed :

[daemon]
PostSessionScriptDir=3D/etc/X11/gdm/PostSession/
PreSessionScriptDir=3D/etc/X11/gdm/PreSession/
SessionDir=3D/etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/

(I am not sure if more changes were need like rootpath etc.)
Next step is to make Gnome2 show up as an option in the session-list

For this I first add a file called 'Gnome2' to /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/
with the following content :

#!/bin/sh
exec /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession Gnome2


This is the same way other sessions are started, and luckily no
modification are needed to the Xsession-script as is actually expected
to easily add new Sessions.
This script uses a script called /usr/sbin/chksession to do the session
specific startup. This script looks in /etc/X11/wmsession.d.
In this 'wmsession.d' directory I add a file called '01Gnome2'. You can
give it another number if you like, but have it at number one makes it
the default session.
The '01Gnome2' file looks like this:

NAME=3DGnome2
ICON=3Dgnome-logo-icon-transparent.xpm
DESC=3DGnome2 Environment
EXEC=3D/usr/bin/startgnome2
SCRIPT:
exec /usr/bin/startgnome2


As you see it starts Gnome2 through a 'startgnome2' script. I didn't
create this script anew, instead I just copied the orginal 'startgnome'
script and made some modifications to it.
Here a diff of the modifications :

@@ -45,4 +45,8 @@
   echo $MDKVERSION > $HOME/.gnome/mdkversion
 fi
=20
-exec /usr/bin/gnome-session
+export PATH=3D/opt/garnome/bin:/opt/garnome/sbin:$PATH
+export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=3D/opt/garnome/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH=20
+export GDK_USE_XFT=3D1
+
+exec /opt/garnome/bin/gnome-session


As you can see it starts gnome-session and sets the correct
env-variables so I do have smooth anti-aliasing and so.

After all this you should have a nice anti-aliased gdm2 listing a gnome2
session, which also starts with anti-aliasing enabled.

Have fun,

-A.

ma, 02-09-2002 kello 00:55, Jason Trickett kirjoitti:
> Hi. I still haven't got it working yet. I would be great if you could
> walk me thru it "the Mandrake way".=20
>=20
> - J
>=20
>=20
> On Sun, 2002-09-01 at 15:56, Aschwin van der Woude wrote:
>=20
>     Have you got it working already?
>    =20
>     I have it working here, the Mandrake-way I believe :-)
>     But it is a while ago I set this up, so I would need to dig into it
>     again as well.
>    =20
>     But I can do the digging if you still need it.
>    =20
>     -A.
>    =20
>     su, 01-09-2002 kello 11:37, Jason Trickett kirjoitti:
>     >=20
>     >=20
>     > Jeff Waugh wrote:
>     >=20
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > =20
>     > >
>     > >>Thanks for answering! I looked in /etc/init.d/ and there was not =
a file
>     > >>named gdm to edit on my system (mandrake 8.1).
>     > >>   =20
>     > >>
>     > >
>     > >Okay, as a warning, Mandrake does some really odd stuff with its X=
 and *DM
>     > >startup scripts...
>     > >
>     > > =20
>     > >
>     > >>Anyhoo, in /etc/X11/prefdm i noticed some code that looks like th=
is:
>     > >>   =20
>     > >>
>     > >
>     > > =20
>     > >
>     > >>if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/desktop ]; then
>     > >>   =20
>     > >>
>     > >
>     > > =20
>     > >
>     > >>Could I edit 'preferred-gdm' to 'preferred=3D/home/jason/garnome/=
gdm' ?
>     > >>   =20
>     > >>
>     > >
>     > >No, it sounds like you want to edit environment variables set in
>     > >/etc/sysconfig/desktop. Or, you could just change /etc/inittab, bu=
t I'd
>     > >recommend attempting to do it 'The Mandrake Way' to begin with.
>     > >
>     > >- Jeff
>     > >
>     > Wow, this is getting weird! The only contents in my=20
>     > /etc/sysconfig/desktop file is:
>     >=20
>     > DESKTOP=3D"Gnome"
>     >=20
>     > Isn't this where my default desktop choice is stored? Also, in=20
>     > /etc/inittab the last few lines are:
>     >=20
>     > # Run xdm in runlevel 5
>     > # xdm is now a separate service
>     > x:5:respawn:/etc/X11/prefdm -nodaemon
>     >=20
>     > Isn't this just pointing back to the 'prefdm' file I mentioned befo=
re?=20
>     > All this jumping around is making my head spin
>     >=20
>     > :)
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Hey Aschwin! Thanks a lot for the effort you put in to your reply! It
indeed looked like a lot of digging ;)
I'm going to be attempting this later today. I have one question,
though, about the /usr/bin/startgnome2 script I will be creating. Should
I be just adding the lines ...

    exec /usr/bin/gnome-session
    export PATH=/opt/garnome/bin:/opt/garnome/sbin:$PATH
    export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/garnome/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH 
    export GDK_USE_XFT=1
    exec /opt/garnome/bin/gnome-session

... to my startgnome file at the end, then saving it as startgnome2
(changing /opt to /home/jason)? I'm not as experienced at this kind of
thing yet, so it wasn't obvious to me.

Hope to hear back!

- Jason


On Mon, 2002-09-02 at 02:42, Aschwin van der Woude wrote:

    Ok, lets see how I did this. Keep in mind I might not have gotten
    everuthing the Mandrake-way, but it works for me.
    
    Runlevel 5 starts /etc/X11/prefdm which reads /etc/sysconfig/desktop.
    This config file tells prefdm the display-manager you would like to use.
    I needed to modify prefdm in order for it to accept a new option (gdm2)
    in the 'desktop'-file.
    
    This is the diff for prefdm :
    
    --- prefdm.rpmnew	Fri Mar 15 17:46:41 2002
    +++ prefdm	Tue May  7 22:57:51 2002
    @@ -41,6 +41,8 @@
     	[ -z "$DISPLAYMANAGER" ] && DISPLAYMANAGER=$DESKTOP
     	if [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "GDM" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "gdm" -o
    "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "GNOME" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "gnome" -o
    "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "Gnome" ]; then
     		preferred=gdm
    +	elif [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "GDM2" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "gdm2" -o
    "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "GNOME2" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "gnome2" -o
    "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "Gnome2" ]; then
    +		preferred=/opt/garnome/bin/start-gdm
     	elif [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "KDM" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "kdm" -o
    "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "KDE" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "kde" ]; then
     		preferred=kdm
     	elif [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "XDM" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "xdm" ] ; then
    
    
    As you can see a variable 'preferred' is used for launching the
    display-manager in the end of the script. I need to set the full path to
    a start-gdm script, because my gnome2 installation is not in the default
    path.
    
    I didn't call gdm directly because I did want to have anti-aliasing and
    so on. So I created the following script called 'gdm-start'
    
    #!/bin/sh
    export PATH=/opt/garnome/bin:/opt/garnome/sbin:$PATH
    export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/garnome/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
    export GDK_USE_XFT=1
    exec /opt/garnome/bin/gdm -nodeamon
    
    As you can see it start gdm. Now you are almost fully operational. But
    off course you want to have gdm list all sessions Mandrake knows about.
    For this I modified the gdm configuration (for me in
    /opt/garnome/etc/gdm/gdm.conf) to point to the normal session
    directories.
    
    Here the config lines I changed :
    
    [daemon]
    PostSessionScriptDir=/etc/X11/gdm/PostSession/
    PreSessionScriptDir=/etc/X11/gdm/PreSession/
    SessionDir=/etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/
    
    (I am not sure if more changes were need like rootpath etc.)
    Next step is to make Gnome2 show up as an option in the session-list
    
    For this I first add a file called 'Gnome2' to /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/
    with the following content :
    
    #!/bin/sh
    exec /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession Gnome2
    
    
    This is the same way other sessions are started, and luckily no
    modification are needed to the Xsession-script as is actually expected
    to easily add new Sessions.
    This script uses a script called /usr/sbin/chksession to do the session
    specific startup. This script looks in /etc/X11/wmsession.d.
    In this 'wmsession.d' directory I add a file called '01Gnome2'. You can
    give it another number if you like, but have it at number one makes it
    the default session.
    The '01Gnome2' file looks like this:
    
    NAME=Gnome2
    ICON=gnome-logo-icon-transparent.xpm
    DESC=Gnome2 Environment
    EXEC=/usr/bin/startgnome2
    SCRIPT:
    exec /usr/bin/startgnome2
    
    
    As you see it starts Gnome2 through a 'startgnome2' script. I didn't
    create this script anew, instead I just copied the orginal 'startgnome'
    script and made some modifications to it.
    Here a diff of the modifications :
    
    @@ -45,4 +45,8 @@
       echo $MDKVERSION > $HOME/.gnome/mdkversion
     fi
     
    -exec /usr/bin/gnome-session
    +export PATH=/opt/garnome/bin:/opt/garnome/sbin:$PATH
    +export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/garnome/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH 
    +export GDK_USE_XFT=1
    +
    +exec /opt/garnome/bin/gnome-session
    
    
    As you can see it starts gnome-session and sets the correct
    env-variables so I do have smooth anti-aliasing and so.
    
    After all this you should have a nice anti-aliased gdm2 listing a gnome2
    session, which also starts with anti-aliasing enabled.
    
    Have fun,
    
    -A.
    

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Hey Aschwin! Thanks a lot for the effort you put in to your reply! It indeed looked like a lot of digging ;)


I'm going to be attempting this later today. I have one question, though, about the /usr/bin/startgnome2 script I will be creating. Should I be just adding the lines ...
    


exec /usr/bin/gnome-session
export PATH=/opt/garnome/bin:/opt/garnome/sbin:$PATH
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/garnome/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH 
export GDK_USE_XFT=1
exec /opt/garnome/bin/gnome-session

    

... to my startgnome file at the end, then saving it as startgnome2 (changing /opt to /home/jason)? I'm not as experienced at this kind of thing yet, so it wasn't obvious to me.





Hope to hear back!





- Jason








On Mon, 2002-09-02 at 02:42, Aschwin van der Woude wrote:
    


Ok, lets see how I did this. Keep in mind I might not have gotten
everuthing the Mandrake-way, but it works for me.

Runlevel 5 starts /etc/X11/prefdm which reads /etc/sysconfig/desktop.
This config file tells prefdm the display-manager you would like to use.
I needed to modify prefdm in order for it to accept a new option (gdm2)
in the 'desktop'-file.

This is the diff for prefdm :

--- prefdm.rpmnew	Fri Mar 15 17:46:41 2002
+++ prefdm	Tue May  7 22:57:51 2002
@@ -41,6 +41,8 @@
 	[ -z "$DISPLAYMANAGER" ] && DISPLAYMANAGER=$DESKTOP
 	if [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "GDM" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "gdm" -o
"$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "GNOME" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "gnome" -o
"$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "Gnome" ]; then
 		preferred=gdm
+	elif [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "GDM2" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "gdm2" -o
"$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "GNOME2" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "gnome2" -o
"$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "Gnome2" ]; then
+		preferred=/opt/garnome/bin/start-gdm
 	elif [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "KDM" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "kdm" -o
"$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "KDE" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "kde" ]; then
 		preferred=kdm
 	elif [ "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "XDM" -o "$DISPLAYMANAGER" = "xdm" ] ; then


As you can see a variable 'preferred' is used for launching the
display-manager in the end of the script. I need to set the full path to
a start-gdm script, because my gnome2 installation is not in the default
path.

I didn't call gdm directly because I did want to have anti-aliasing and
so on. So I created the following script called 'gdm-start'

#!/bin/sh
export PATH=/opt/garnome/bin:/opt/garnome/sbin:$PATH
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/garnome/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
export GDK_USE_XFT=1
exec /opt/garnome/bin/gdm -nodeamon

As you can see it start gdm. Now you are almost fully operational. But
off course you want to have gdm list all sessions Mandrake knows about.
For this I modified the gdm configuration (for me in
/opt/garnome/etc/gdm/gdm.conf) to point to the normal session
directories.

Here the config lines I changed :

[daemon]
PostSessionScriptDir=/etc/X11/gdm/PostSession/
PreSessionScriptDir=/etc/X11/gdm/PreSession/
SessionDir=/etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/

(I am not sure if more changes were need like rootpath etc.)
Next step is to make Gnome2 show up as an option in the session-list

For this I first add a file called 'Gnome2' to /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/
with the following content :

#!/bin/sh
exec /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession Gnome2


This is the same way other sessions are started, and luckily no
modification are needed to the Xsession-script as is actually expected
to easily add new Sessions.
This script uses a script called /usr/sbin/chksession to do the session
specific startup. This script looks in /etc/X11/wmsession.d.
In this 'wmsession.d' directory I add a file called '01Gnome2'. You can
give it another number if you like, but have it at number one makes it
the default session.
The '01Gnome2' file looks like this:

NAME=Gnome2
ICON=gnome-logo-icon-transparent.xpm
DESC=Gnome2 Environment
EXEC=/usr/bin/startgnome2
SCRIPT:
exec /usr/bin/startgnome2


As you see it starts Gnome2 through a 'startgnome2' script. I didn't
create this script anew, instead I just copied the orginal 'startgnome'
script and made some modifications to it.
Here a diff of the modifications :

@@ -45,4 +45,8 @@
   echo $MDKVERSION > $HOME/.gnome/mdkversion
 fi
 
-exec /usr/bin/gnome-session
+export PATH=/opt/garnome/bin:/opt/garnome/sbin:$PATH
+export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/garnome/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH 
+export GDK_USE_XFT=1
+
+exec /opt/garnome/bin/gnome-session


As you can see it starts gnome-session and sets the correct
env-variables so I do have smooth anti-aliasing and so.

After all this you should have a nice anti-aliased gdm2 listing a gnome2
session, which also starts with anti-aliasing enabled.

Have fun,

-A.


    




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> Hey Aschwin! Thanks a lot for the effort you put in to your reply! It
> indeed looked like a lot of digging ;)

No problem. No I am assured again I did the Mandrake way as much as I
can.

> I'm going to be attempting this later today. I have one question,
> though, about the /usr/bin/startgnome2 script I will be creating. Should
> I be just adding the lines ...
>=20
>     exec /usr/bin/gnome-session
>     export PATH=3D/opt/garnome/bin:/opt/garnome/sbin:$PATH
>     export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=3D/opt/garnome/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH=20
>     export GDK_USE_XFT=3D1
>     exec /opt/garnome/bin/gnome-session
>=20
> ... to my startgnome file at the end, then saving it as startgnome2
> (changing /opt to /home/jason)? I'm not as experienced at this kind of
> thing yet, so it wasn't obvious to me.

Place it in the end, instead of the beginning.

You can also feed those diff's to patch, but perhaps a manual edit is
easier.

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From sandeep.khanna@villanova.edu  Mon Sep  2 10:25:52 2002
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Hi,

Just downloaded, compiled and installed Garnome 0.14.0 after a long 
break from the 0.13.0

Unfortunately, my keyboard still does not repeat characters in the 
terminal or anywhere. I can just type one character at a time if I press 
a key and to repeat the character, I have to press the key again unlike 
usually when you just keep the key pressed to repeat the characters .

The themes metal, redmond do not work !! just as they did not work in 
the 0.13.0 but, did in 0.12.0

My battery applet still does not show up in the top Main menu panel. 
Altough, I can see it as an entry in the GConf-Editor. Now, If I cannot 
enjoy it, If somebody could tell me how to remove this invisible applet 
from the Main Menu panel.

Which is the file/directory in a users home directory which contains 
details/descriptions about all the applets added to all the panels on 
screen?


************ Suggestion ************

Is there any way I can use IceWM window manager with Garnome? I just 
like it a lot for it's numerous cool features and have been using it 
with Gnome 1.4 for a long time now.

Wow, Looks like we finally have the Favourites sub-menu in the main 
Garnome Menu. Now, if only we could have an option in the right-click 
pop-up menu of each item in the Menu as "Add to Favourites" and that 
particular item would be added to the Favourites sub-menu.

**************************************

Thanks in advance,
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Hey everybody,

I've been working with gcc 2.95.3 since, well, since I compiled my distro.

I'm curious to hear what people have to say about gcc 3.2 and "the 
switch" -- are there problem compiling different things with gcc 3.2? 
Any inherent problems with the 3.x series? Bottom line, should I switch?

Apparently gcc 2.95.3 + -mcpu=i686 causes problems (at least, it makes 
gcc segfault while compiling libvorbis, and apparently isn't a good 
mix). But my garnome seems to be OK...

Just curious to find out before I garnome again :)

-Idan


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Garnome seems to work fine when compiled with gcc 3.x, I use 3.1 myself.
Problems will arise when you compile c++-programs which use libraries
compiled with an earlier version of gcc. There were even some c++ ABI
changes from 3.1 to 3.2.
But gnome is written in C so this won't cause any problems.

-A.

ma, 02-09-2002 kello 20:42, Idan Gazit kirjoitti:
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Hi,

I think this has something to do with the problem of not being able to 
have themes working in Garnome 0.14.x

Window manager warning: Failed to read theme from file 
/home/sandeepk/garnome/share/themes/Metal/metacity-1/metacity-theme-1.xml: 
Failed to open file 
'/home/sandeepk/garnome/share/themes/Metal/metacity-1/metacity-theme-1.xml': 
No such file or directory

Thanks in advance,
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On Mon, 2002-09-02 at 22:28, Sandeep Khanna wrote:

> Window manager warning: Failed to read theme from file 
> /home/sandeepk/garnome/share/themes/Metal/metacity-1/metacity-theme-1.xml: 
> Failed to open file 
> '/home/sandeepk/garnome/share/themes/Metal/metacity-1/metacity-theme-1.xml': 
> No such file or directory

There seems to have been a change in metacity theme structure:

cd Metal
mkdir metacity-1
mv * metacity-1

Now the dir structure is right. Then do

metacity-theme-viewer Metal

IIRC it will tell you something about 'window type="border"' not being
set in Metal/metacity-1/metacity-theme-1.xml not being set. Add what it
says you should (IIRC adding 
should do it [there is a bunch of other window type="border" tags in the
file, just add it])
Now, 'metacity-theme-viewer Metal' should work. If so, you can use the
theme







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Hello,

I've been using garnome eversince and not seen this problem until
0.14.1. After building, the gnome2 menus isn't showing up?
(Applications) Is this a known bug?. Im using RH7.3

Thanks for any info

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> I've been using garnome eversince and not seen this problem until
> 0.14.1. After building, the gnome2 menus isn't showing up?
> (Applications) Is this a known bug?. Im using RH7.3

Please read the GARNOME release notes - yes, it is a known bug.

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Hi,

making "make install" with gcc-3.2 in .../ a lot of errors like:

cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/root/garnome/include
-I/root/garnome/include -I/root/garnome/include -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE
-D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -I/root/garnome/include/gstreamer-0.4.0
-I/root/garnome/include/glib-2.0 -I/root/garnome/lib/glib-2.0/include
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gstaasink.c -MT libgstaasink_la-gstaasink.lo -MD -MP -MF
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libgstaasink_la-gstaasink.lo
cc1: changing search order for system directory "/usr/local/include"
cc1:   as it has already been specified as a non-system directory
make[3]: *** [libgstaasink_la-gstaasink.lo] Error 1

If the -Werror option is removed from the corresponding Makefile, make
continues. But it would be better to remove the -I/usr/local/include
option at a central place. 

	With best regards
		Juergen



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Hi,

I forget to enter the correct path in my last mail. Therefore once more

making "make install" with gcc-3.2 in 
.../garnome-0.14.1/meta/gnome-fifth-toe gives a lot of errors like:

cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/root/garnome/include
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cc1: changing search order for system directory "/usr/local/include"
cc1:   as it has already been specified as a non-system directory
make[3]: *** [libgstaasink_la-gstaasink.lo] Error 1

If the -Werror option is removed from the corresponding Makefile, make
continues. But it would be better to remove the -I/usr/local/include
option at a central place. 

        With best regards
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Reverting back to the previous version of gnome-vfs (2.0.2) will solve
it.

ti, 03-09-2002 kello 11:06, Warren Mira kirjoitti:
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> 0.14.1. After building, the gnome2 menus isn't showing up?
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Hi,

I had a very similar problem. The configure script detected the freetype
that was already installed on my system (2.0.5), instead of the one that
Garnome downloads and builds for you. The way I solved it was to modify the
Garnome Makefile under the freetype folder to make it download freetype
2.0.5. You could also manually install a more recent freetype version on
your system.

Gilles



                                                                                                                                            
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when i try to compile ggv in gnome-fifth-toe i get the following error:


-rpath -Wl,/home/paessler/garnome/lib
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Stream_GetShort'
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Stream_ExitFrame'
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Stream_GetLong'
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Stream_Seek'
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Get_Next_Char'
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Stream_EnterFrame'
/home/paessler/garnome/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to
`FT_Get_First_Char'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[5]: *** [ggv] Error 1
make[5]: Leaving directory
`/usr/src/pakete/garnome-0.14.1/gnome/ggv/work/ggv-1.99.90/src'
make[4]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[4]: Leaving directory
`/usr/src/pakete/garnome-0.14.1/gnome/ggv/work/ggv-1.99.90/src'
make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory
`/usr/src/pakete/garnome-0.14.1/gnome/ggv/work/ggv-1.99.90'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/usr/src/pakete/garnome-0.14.1/gnome/ggv/work/ggv-1.99.90'
make[1]: *** [build-work/ggv-1.99.90/Makefile] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/pakete/garnome-0.14.1/gnome/ggv'
make: *** [dep-../../gnome/ggv] Error 2

pango is installed properly, so what is wrong?
any suggestions?

thanks

daniel


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Having installed from Garnome 0.14.1:

1. My Gnome2 apps are not seeing all my fonts. Gnome1 apps still see them all.
Also, for some reason, Opera seems to have been affected by this, even though it
uses Qt and not Gtk. That would suggest that it's an X problem not a Gnome one,
but Gnome1 apps see all the fonts, so it can't be an X problem.

2. Is there a global Gnome2 environment variable that I can set so I don't have
to specify the same thing when I run all apps? I will always want to run every
Gnome2 app with --oaf-private and --disable-factory since I don't use the Gnome
desktop enviroment, just the apps from Windowmaker.

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The settings-not-sticking problem has gone since I reinstalled from Garnome
0.14.1 :)

If I run apps with --oaf-private and --disable-factory, they start straight
away. No more waiting for that bonobo business to start.

Jeff Waugh had the audacity to claim:

>
>
>> I have asked the Gnome mailing list, Pan mailing list, and X newsgroup,
>> and the only feedback I had was that it might be a certain missing line in
>> a file installed by Gconf, but I checked and it was there. I even
>> reinstalled Gconf, and then uninstalled and installed a previous version
>> of it, but with no luck :(
>>
>> So to sum, the two problems I have are that the first Gnome thing that a
>> user starts takes 'ages' to appear, and that none of the settings in Gnome
>> apps stick.
>
>How did you install GARNOME? Did you set the paths and environment variables
>correctly, as described on the webpage?

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How can I disable this? Stop it bringing up Gnome help and instead pass F1 to
whatever I'm running in the term like any other function key? :/

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> 1. My Gnome2 apps are not seeing all my fonts. Gnome1 apps still see them all.
> Also, for some reason, Opera seems to have been affected by this, even though it
> uses Qt and not Gtk. That would suggest that it's an X problem not a Gnome one,
> but Gnome1 apps see all the fonts, so it can't be an X problem.

Sounds like an XFT issue -> make sure /etc/X11/XftConfig is correct.

> 2. Is there a global Gnome2 environment variable that I can set so I don't have
> to specify the same thing when I run all apps? I will always want to run every
> Gnome2 app with --oaf-private and --disable-factory since I don't use the Gnome
> desktop enviroment, just the apps from Windowmaker.

Hrm, OAF is no longer part of GNOME 2, and --disable-factory is just a GNOME
Terminal thing (which makes loading new terminals faster, so you don't want
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I have tried using the GDM login and luckily all the gnome2 menus
re-appeared.. =)

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If i use the current release of garnome to install gnome 2, is it hard to 
update the packages that are installed after, when there are new releases 
and how would i be goin about this?

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Hi. I imagine that this has been discussed before, so forgive this repeat
question. I just installed garnome-0.14.1 and my gnome2 menus are
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> Hi. I imagine that this has been discussed before, so forgive this repeat
> question. I just installed garnome-0.14.1 and my gnome2 menus are
> missing. Please help!

In the release notes, it mentions that there are issues with menus due to
Nautilus and gnome-vfs bugs. You were warned. :-)

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Greeting folks;

I just tried to build kde-3.0.3 with tis version of garnome, as it 
worked quite well to go from kde-3.0.0 to 3.0.2.

At the time of the 3.0.0 to 3.0.2 build I was running gcc-2.96-112.
Now I have built and installed gcc-3.2.

Now after several hours of downloads, it tries to get started on 
building arts, and bombs out during the configure while looking for 
the STL stuff, which is in the install dir I gave gcc-3.2 when I 
built it.  Its also a far cry pathwise from being in /usr/include.  
More like /usr/local/gcc3.2/i686-linux-pc/include/bits or some 
such.

How do I go about training the new gcc-3.2 to go find its own proper 
includes?

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> How do I go about training the new gcc-3.2 to go find its own proper 
> includes?

Possibly a question better posed to GCC people. :-)

- Jeff

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Hello,

I am using GARNOME 0.14.0 with Solaris 8 on an ultrasparc 10.  I am 
using gcc-3.2 with the Solaris linker and assembler (/usr/ccs/bin/ld, 
/usr/ccs/bin/as).

The --disable-shared option that is enabled by default in the GARNOME 
build of GNOME 2.0.1 seems to cause some undefined symbols errors at 
link time, for instance, in the gtk+-2.0.6 package, gtk_minor_version, 
gtk_major_version, and gtk_micro_version.

Has anyone out there used GARNOME much on Solaris 8 w/gcc-3.x and if so, 
could you point me towards whatever configuration options I may need to 
alter or add in order to make my build work?

Thanks in advance for any assistance anyone can render.



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> I am using GARNOME 0.14.0 with Solaris 8 on an ultrasparc 10.  I am 
> using gcc-3.2 with the Solaris linker and assembler (/usr/ccs/bin/ld, 
> /usr/ccs/bin/as).

Rock! Been looking for more Solaris testers, thanks!

> The --disable-shared option that is enabled by default in the GARNOME 
> build of GNOME 2.0.1 seems to cause some undefined symbols errors at 
> link time, for instance, in the gtk+-2.0.6 package, gtk_minor_version, 
> gtk_major_version, and gtk_micro_version.

--disable-static, rather? :-)

I've just checked with Glynn, and he reckons that Sun are doing their builds
with it on, so that shouldn't be it, but they are building with forte.
Perhaps it's having issues with gcc-3.2 and the Solaris linker/assemblers?

> Has anyone out there used GARNOME much on Solaris 8 w/gcc-3.x and if so, 
> could you point me towards whatever configuration options I may need to 
> alter or add in order to make my build work?
> 
> Thanks in advance for any assistance anyone can render.

Definitely chat to some of the Sun guys, particularly Laszlo
; I'll try and help as much as I can.

Thanks,

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On Wednesday 04 September 2002 12:16, Jeff Waugh wrote:
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>
>> How do I go about training the new gcc-3.2 to go find its own
>> proper includes?
>
>Possibly a question better posed to GCC people. :-)

Possibly.  OTOH, its been working to build everything I've thrown at 
it for the last 2 weeks since I built it rather flawlessly.

garnome, trying to build kde-3.0.3 is the second failure message I 
wasn't able to fix, the first one being that I have 4 copies of 
libqt-mt.so.0.0.4 (and links) on this system, but some ./configure 
scripts can't find them even with a full path declared in the 
--with-qt-lib= option.  mosfet-liquid-0.9.5 is one of those.

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On Wednesday 04 September 2002 12:41, Gene Heskett wrote:
>On Wednesday 04 September 2002 12:16, Jeff Waugh wrote:
>>
>>
>>> How do I go about training the new gcc-3.2 to go find its own
>>> proper includes?
>>
>>Possibly a question better posed to GCC people. :-)
>
>Possibly.  OTOH, its been working to build everything I've thrown
> at it for the last 2 weeks since I built it rather flawlessly.
>
>garnome, trying to build kde-3.0.3 is the second failure message I
>wasn't able to fix, the first one being that I have 4 copies of
>libqt-mt.so.0.0.4 (and links) on this system, but some ./configure

Ancient damned fingers, they don't type what I think.  That should 
be 'libqt-mt.so.3.0.4' and links.  Big difference.

>scripts can't find them even with a full path declared in the
>--with-qt-lib= option.  mosfet-liquid-0.9.5 is one of those.

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Hello,

I have installed 0.14.1 in my debian box.
I have seen in the changelog that there is some
red hat artwork installed with that...

Whereis that? iIs it in the form of a theme?
Where can I found it?

Garnome rules !

Thanks guys
Panagiotis


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> I have installed 0.14.1 in my debian box.
> I have seen in the changelog that there is some
> red hat artwork installed with that...

In misc/redhat-artwork/ - build it like everything else.

Beware that the current one depends on kdebase (as it includes kwin and qt
themes). In CVS GARNOME (and the next released version), I've included a
patch that will turn off all the KDE stuff.

> Whereis that? iIs it in the form of a theme?

There are themes for:

  qt
  kwin
  kde colours
  gtk+ 1.x
  gtk+ 2.x
  metacity
  nautilus
  gdm (i think)

Lots of good stuff, looks great. Comes straight out of the (null) source
rpm, too.

> Garnome rules !

Thanks. :-)

- Jeff

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Hi,

I have redhat 7.3 and I am using garnome 0.14.1.  I've tried to build
redhat-artwork like everything else but it failed with:

bluecurve.cpp:1755: `abs' undeclared (first use this function)
bluecurve.cpp:1755: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once 
for each function it appears in.)
bluecurve.cpp:1737: warning: `int left' might be used uninitialized in
this function
bluecurve.cpp:1737: warning: `int right' might be used uninitialized in
this function
bluecurve.cpp:1737: warning: `int top' might be used uninitialized in
this function
bluecurve.cpp:1737: warning: `int bottom' might be used uninitialized in
this function
make[5]: *** [bluecurve.lo] Error 1
make[5]: Leaving directory
`/usr/local/src/garnome-0.14.1/misc/redhat-artwork/work/redhat-artwork-0.36/art/qt/Bluecurve'
make[4]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[4]: Leaving directory
`/usr/local/src/garnome-0.14.1/misc/redhat-artwork/work/redhat-artwork-0.36/art/qt'
make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory
`/usr/local/src/garnome-0.14.1/misc/redhat-artwork/work/redhat-artwork-0.36/art'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/usr/local/src/garnome-0.14.1/misc/redhat-artwork/work/redhat-artwork-0.36'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/usr/local/src/garnome-0.14.1/misc/redhat-artwork/work/redhat-artwork-0.36'
make: *** [build-work/redhat-artwork-0.36/Makefile] Error 2
[root@localhost redhat-artwork]# 


I installed redhat-logos-1.1.4-1 since redhat-artwork-0.36-1 lists it as
a depends.  I also have kde 3.0 installed.

Any idea as to what is wrong?

Thanks

Joe




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> I have redhat 7.3 and I am using garnome 0.14.1.  I've tried to build
> redhat-artwork like everything else but it failed with:

(random qt breakage snipped)

The next version of GARNOME will have the qt/kde stuff patched out for
redhat-artwork. No idea what's going on in your build.

> I installed redhat-logos-1.1.4-1 since redhat-artwork-0.36-1 lists it as
> a depends.  I also have kde 3.0 installed.

Dude, GARNOME is building redhat-artwork from source. It doesn't care about
fake rpm dependencies. :-)

- Jeff

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An update: it would seem that this error occurs due to the way these
variables (gtk_*_version) are declared in the GTK+ package.  They're
declared as constants, which are by default private to their translation
unit as far as GCC is concerned.

I'll take it up with the GTK list :-)

Thanks!

Larry

Larry McQueary wrote:

 > Hello,
 >
 > I am using GARNOME 0.14.0 with Solaris 8 on an ultrasparc 10.  I am
 > using gcc-3.2 with the Solaris linker and assembler (/usr/ccs/bin/ld,
 > /usr/ccs/bin/as).
 >
 > The --disable-shared option that is enabled by default in the GARNOME
 > build of GNOME 2.0.1 seems to cause some undefined symbols errors at
 > link time, for instance, in the gtk+-2.0.6 package, gtk_minor_version,
 > gtk_major_version, and gtk_micro_version.
 >
 > Has anyone out there used GARNOME much on Solaris 8 w/gcc-3.x and if
 > so, could you point me towards whatever configuration options I may
 > need to alter or add in order to make my build work?
 >
 > Thanks in advance for any assistance anyone can render.
 >
 >



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I'd love to compile garnome on my linux 2.4.18 system - I'm using the
encap package manager to install packages, so a custom compilation
would definitely help me finally get GNOME, since correcting trivial
autoconf problems on the 60 packages myself is going to take a long
time.  But it fails to build.

Basically,

  make -C garnome-0.14.1/meta/gnome-desktop/ prefix=/usr build

failed quickly, generating an error in pkgconfig:

  cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I. -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=g_log_domain_glib
   -DG_ENABLE_DEBUG -I/usr/include -I/usr/include -I/usr/include
   -I/usr/include -I/usr/include -I/usr/include -I/usr/include -O2 -pipe
   -g -I/usr/include -O2 -pipe -g -I/usr/include -O2 -pipe -g
   -I/usr/include -O2 -pipe -g -I/usr/include -O2 -pipe -g -I/usr/include
   -Wall -c gmain.c  -fPIC -DPIC
  cc1: warning: changing search order for system directory "/usr/include"
  cc1: warning:   as it has already been specified as a non-system directory
  gmain.c:191: `poll' undeclared here (not in a function)

Many more related warnings appear in the output here:

  http://www.deconfusion.org/tmp/garnome.txt

Because the libraries on my system are linked into /usr/lib, I
detected a problem in gnome/pkgconfig/work/pkgconfig-0.12.0/, on line
1746: /usr/bin/file needs to be changed to

  '/usr/bin/file -L'

for libtool to work properly.  After I made this change then did 'make
clean' in the work directory, the build still failed the same way, but
with no more warnings during configure:

  http://www.deconfusion.org/tmp/garnome2.txt

Any ideas on how to (a) fix my problem with includes and (b) properly
patch configure within the garnome system?  If there's any system info
I can provide that isn't covered in the output files, let me know.

Thanks, I'm new to this!
-Paul

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I've written a free program called distcc, which distributes the work
of compilation across several machines on a network.  It works well
with GARNOME, and (leaving aside downloads) can compile more than
twice as fast as plain gcc.

You can get it from 

   http://distcc.samba.org/

and I would be happy to hear how it works for you.

(please cc me on replies)

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> I've written a free program called distcc, which distributes the work of
> compilation across several machines on a network.  It works well with
> GARNOME, and (leaving aside downloads) can compile more than twice as fast
> as plain gcc.

Rock! So the bugs you found with libtool and such are all fixed?

I will have to get this on all my flatmates' computers. :-)

- Jeff

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On Wed, 2002-09-04 at 02:48, Vigil wrote:
> How can I disable this? Stop it bringing up Gnome help and instead pass F1 to
> whatever I'm running in the term like any other function key? :/

Change the keybinding. Edit -> Keybindings



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Aha! Thanks.

I would have thought that would be on the right-clicked context menu (I have the
menubar disabled).

Jens Bech Madsen had the audacity to claim:

>On Wed, 2002-09-04 at 02:48, Vigil wrote:
>> How can I disable this? Stop it bringing up Gnome help and instead pass F1 to
>> whatever I'm running in the term like any other function key? :/
>
>Change the keybinding. Edit -> Keybindings

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Hi,

Me again.  Still building on Solaris 8 w/gcc-3.2, and now I am using 
garnome-0.14.1.

Incidentally, I am compiling a list of the various things I have to 
twiddle to get the build to work, which I will happily post later for 
the archives, but here's a problem that's got me stumped:

in libgtop-2.0.0/src/daemon, my build fails after creating 
libgtop_daemon2 with the following error:

No rule to make target `libgtop_server', needed by `all-am'

Indeed, there don't appear to be any rules in Makefile for building this 
target, though it *is* at least mentioned in the Makefile.  There are 
also some rules for building libgtop_server2.  Anyone know the 
significance of this?

Somehow I can't imagine this would be a platform-specific issue, so 
surely someone else out there has run into it?  Awaiting your wisdom 
before I start hacking and slashing in the Makefile.

Thanks,
Larry


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Gene,

I'm considering a 3.2 build and would be interested in your list of
"snags" compiling garnome.

Are your troubles exclusively KDE? I won't be building KDE, but if
the gnome build process becomes laborious I may just pass on using
3.2.

By and large, do you recommend using gcc-3.2 as your compiler? I am
busy compiling a clean linux box and I need to decide which compiler
I will use as my basis. At the behest of some other kind soul on the
list, I am considering either 2.95.3 or 3.2 but not together, because
of the ABI changes to C++ compiles; it sounds like a real mess later
on when I forget which libraries were compiled with what. I guess
either programs will stop compiling or I'll start getting strange
segfaults all over the place, and neither sounds really appealing.

Thanks in advance!

Idan

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On Friday 06 September 2002 04:34, Idan Gazit wrote:
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>Gene,
>
>I'm considering a 3.2 build and would be interested in your list
> of "snags" compiling garnome.
>
>Are your troubles exclusively KDE? I won't be building KDE, but if
>the gnome build process becomes laborious I may just pass on using
>3.2.
>
>By and large, do you recommend using gcc-3.2 as your compiler? I
> am busy compiling a clean linux box and I need to decide which
> compiler I will use as my basis. At the behest of some other kind
> soul on the list, I am considering either 2.95.3 or 3.2 but not
> together, because of the ABI changes to C++ compiles; it sounds
> like a real mess later on when I forget which libraries were
> compiled with what. I guess either programs will stop compiling
> or I'll start getting strange segfaults all over the place, and
> neither sounds really appealing.
>
>Thanks in advance!
>
>Idan

My guess is that if it was all installed in the right places, which 
I don't think I have yet, it would work just fine.  Its built 
everything I threw at it so except kde-3.0.3 via garnome, and 
mosfet-liquid, both heavily c++ stuff that needs the 3.2 versions 
of the STL headers that aren't located in /usr/include here now.  
But based on what I've seen so far, I think I'll do a make clean in 
the build directory, and modify the makefile to go ahead and have 
it install itself in /usr.  That would make many of my problems go 
away I'm sure.

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On Friday 06 September 2002 10:45, Gene Heskett wrote:
>On Friday 06 September 2002 04:34, Idan Gazit wrote:
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>>Gene,
>>
>>I'm considering a 3.2 build and would be interested in your list
>> of "snags" compiling garnome.
>>
>>Are your troubles exclusively KDE? I won't be building KDE, but
>> if the gnome build process becomes laborious I may just pass on
>> using 3.2.
>>
>>By and large, do you recommend using gcc-3.2 as your compiler? I
>> am busy compiling a clean linux box and I need to decide which
>> compiler I will use as my basis. At the behest of some other
>> kind soul on the list, I am considering either 2.95.3 or 3.2 but
>> not together, because of the ABI changes to C++ compiles; it
>> sounds like a real mess later on when I forget which libraries
>> were compiled with what. I guess either programs will stop
>> compiling or I'll start getting strange segfaults all over the
>> place, and neither sounds really appealing.
>>
>>Thanks in advance!
>>
>>Idan
>
>My guess is that if it was all installed in the right places,
> which I don't think I have yet, it would work just fine.  Its
> built everything I threw at it so except kde-3.0.3 via garnome,
> and mosfet-liquid, both heavily c++ stuff that needs the 3.2
> versions of the STL headers that aren't located in /usr/include
> here now. But based on what I've seen so far, I think I'll do a
> make clean in the build directory, and modify the makefile to go
> ahead and have it install itself in /usr.  That would make many
> of my problems go away I'm sure.

Update, they didn't.  Got worse in fact.  I cleaned out the build 
dir for gcc3.2, reran the configure using all the defaults, make'd 
a bootstrap, check and install.  No difference, so I went after 
qt-3.0.5, but gave it a bunch of options since it defaults to a lot 
of them off.  Built it, no errors important enough to abort the 
build.

Now I can't even startx, and in garnome-0.14.1/meta/kde I get this 
for a make:
----------------
make[4]: Entering directory `/usr/src/garnome-0.14.1/kde/arts'
        [fetch] complete.  Finished rules: pre-everything download 
pre-fetch download/arts-1.0.3.tar.bz2 post-fetch
        [checksum] complete.  Finished rules: fetch cookies 
pre-checksum cookies/checksum-arts-1.0.3.tar.bz2 post-checksum
        [extract] complete.  Finished rules: checksum work cookies 
pre-extract cookies/extract-arts-1.0.3.tar.bz2 post-extract
        [patch] complete.  Finished rules: extract work/arts-1.0.3 
pre-patch post-patch
 ==> Building kde/qt-copy as a dependency
 ==> Building gnome/glib as a dependency
 ==> Running configure in work/arts-1.0.3
checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
checking target system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
checking for a BSD compatible install... /usr/bin/ginstall -c
checking for -p flag to install... yes
checking whether build environment is sane... yes
checking for mawk... mawk
checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... yes
checking for a BSD compatible install... /usr/bin/ginstall -c -p
checking for style of include used by make... GNU
checking for gcc... cc
checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C 
compiler cannot create executables
make[4]: *** [configure-work/arts-1.0.3/configure] Error 77
make[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/garnome-0.14.1/kde/arts'
make[3]: *** [dep-../../kde/arts] Error 2
make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/garnome-0.14.1/kde/kdelibs'
make[2]: *** [dep-../../kde/kdelibs] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/garnome-0.14.1/kde/kdebase'
make[1]: *** [dep-../../kde/kdebase] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/garnome-0.14.1/kde/kdeadmin'
make: *** [dep-../../kde/kdeadmin] Error 2
---------------------------

Reverting back to qt-3.0.4 as /usr/loca/lqt and startx works, 
running it now.

Ideas?

-- 
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> Reverting back to qt-3.0.4 as /usr/loca/lqt and startx works,
> running it now.
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> Ideas?

Use binary packages of GCC for your distribution, whatever the version.

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I realize this is more of a GAR question than a GARNOME question, but in 
the interest of saving time, how can one temporarily turn off package 
dependency checking?  It's frustrating every time I fix something to 
have to go back and wait another half hour while dependencies get 
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Hi list,

is there a chance of putting galeon into garnome?

Michael




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Just do 'make install' in the individual package dir.

Off course it will still do dependency-checking but only for that
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-A.

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That much is simple, I agree -- but my issue is that I'd like to go back 
to the top-level build and effectively pick up where I left off once I 
have done the "make install" that you suggest.  Right know it takes as 
long as half an hour for me to move on to the next package when I am 
ready to resume the build (due to the package checking, re-checking, and 
re-re-checking :-) )

Thanks,
Larry

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>-A.
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>  
>
>>I realize this is more of a GAR question than a GARNOME question, but in 
>>the interest of saving time, how can one temporarily turn off package 
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>>have to go back and wait another half hour while dependencies get 
>>checked (and rechecked and rechecked) when doing a top-level make in 
>>meta/gnome-desktop.
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>Larry
>>(still compiling the list of Sun/gcc-3.2 issues for GNOME 2.0.x/GARNOME 
>>0.14.x)
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> is there a chance of putting galeon into garnome?

Not until there's an official tarball release, and getting mozilla/gtk+2 is
a sane process.

- Jeff

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> That much is simple, I agree -- but my issue is that I'd like to go back
> to the top-level build and effectively pick up where I left off once I
> have done the "make install" that you suggest.  Right know it takes as
> long as half an hour for me to move on to the next package when I am ready
> to resume the build (due to the package checking, re-checking, and
> re-re-checking :-) )

I'd like to work out what this is, as I've only had it reported on non-Linux
systems. It's a matter of optimising the cookie-finding [ I would prefer to
actually fix this problem, not remove the symptoms :-) ].

In the meantime, you'd have to remove the depends from the Makefiles, which
is a pretty onerous task without involving sed, and it will make your builds
barf.

So, let's work out why it's slow...

- Jeff

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Hey,

So I'm no great shakes at C, and I am definitely not too knowledgable 
about the build process, but what about the following:


* 1 Central list of dependencies at the root of the garnome dir (this 
will also be easier to maintain as time goes on)
* 1 small C app that (when given a target) produces a list of dependencies
* perhaps a centralized sort of cookie listing progress, completed 
builds (this can also serve as a centralized kind of log)


I don't know much about makefiles (just a beginning developer), but 
perhaps it can be rigged to somehow call the small C app to determine 
dependencies and then consult with the cookie file to see if they're 
satisfied (perhaps the C app can do this for you also)

Bonuses with this approach:


* Easier to maintain deps.
* You pay the dep resolution "price" at the door, when you compile the 
little C app once. Afterwards it resolves deps in about a nanosecond.

* With very little effort, users can also use the app to query the 
dependency tree when they feel like upgrading a single part of the tree.

For instance: several new tarballs have appeared on ftp.gnome.org. I 
have a burning desire to upgrade to gedit-x.x.x because it can tell me 
who shot JFK. The next version of garnome is not yet released, and I 
don't feel like editing the makefiles and replacing checksums in the 
garnome/gnome/gedit dir to fool it into doing the work for me; I know 
that it's just a ./configure; make; make install kind of affair anyways. 
The only way for me now to know if the libraries that gedit-x.x.x 
require are in place is for me to manually do a recursive check of 
everything that gedit has in its LIBDEPS. With the C app & central 
repository I can just go "depfinder gedit" and get a nice clean list.

Fiction? Nay. Well, I wrote this app, but I must have done something 
wrong because it segfaults on a malloc (no, I haven't double-freed 
something) when it's dealing with _really really_ long lists of 
dependencies. For normal ones it works just fine and produces output like:

id:~/src$ ./depfinder gedit
Dependency build order for gedit:
0: libart_lgpl
1: pkgconfig
2: gtk-doc
3: glib
4: atk
5: freetype
6: pango
7: gtk+
8: libxml2
9: libglade
10: libgnomecanvas
11: linc
12: libIDL
13: ORBit2
14: bonobo-activation
15: libbonobo
16: GConf
17: gnome-mime-data
18: gnome-vfs
19: audiofile
20: esound
21: libxslt
22: libgnome
23: libbonoboui
24: libgnomeui
25: libgnomeprint
26: libgnomeprintui
**: gedit


So, when everybody is done laughing at the guy who doesns't know C, let 
me know what you think. If it's worth it I'll spend the time debugging 
it carefully to eradicate this bug. Building the dependency file is also 
really really easy and can be automated with a 7 line shell script (I 
did it by hand) -- grep -r "LIBDEPS" > depfile, followed by a bit of 
sed'ing to pare it down the the form:

target: dep1 dep2 dep3

The app is also smart enough to not add previously built dependencies to 
the list, e.g. pkg1 and pkg2 both require pkg0, and say so in their 
LIBDEPS. Pkg0 will only show up once in the list, despite being looked 
for twice.

I hope y'all aren't laughing too much....


Idan


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> So I'm no great shakes at C, and I am definitely not too knowledgable 
> about the build process, but what about the following:

Number comments for reference strewn within. :-) I'm sure Nick will have a
few too...

> * 1 Central list of dependencies at the root of the garnome dir (this 
> will also be easier to maintain as time goes on)

1) Perhaps, but it pulls the information out of the garballs (close
approximations of packages), which is where it is most useful. If you have a
central list of dependencies, there's almost no point to the GNU make
architecture, so you'd want to move to something closer to jhbuild (which I
strongly recommend if you want to build GNOME CVS).

> * 1 small C app that (when given a target) produces a list of dependencies

2) Keeping GAR as a GNU make only system is pretty important. Note that make
is a highly evolved dependency resolver, so writing domain-specific stuff in
C just de-generalises the system and makes it less hackable. There are lots
of good reasons to futz with GAR dependencies.

> * perhaps a centralized sort of cookie listing progress, completed 
> builds (this can also serve as a centralized kind of log)

3) This is what needs to happen for GAR to move closer to 'packaging system'
from 'build tool'. However, GAR is really designed first and foremost as a
build tool, so it's not hugely important to us at the moment.

> I don't know much about makefiles (just a beginning developer), but 
> perhaps it can be rigged to somehow call the small C app to determine 
> dependencies and then consult with the cookie file to see if they're 
> satisfied (perhaps the C app can do this for you also)
> 
> Bonuses with this approach:
> 
> 
> * Easier to maintain deps.

See point 1. Affects ports/packaging look'n'feel.

> * You pay the dep resolution "price" at the door, when you compile the 
> little C app once. Afterwards it resolves deps in about a nanosecond.

See point 2. Removes flexibility/generalisation from make architecture.

> * With very little effort, users can also use the app to query the 
> dependency tree when they feel like upgrading a single part of the tree.

In upstream GAR, you can do this. I haven't folded upstream back into
GARNOME for a long time, since some fairly major structural changes. I will
at some stage, 'cos it's rockin' now (if a bit bigger and more complex).

> For instance: several new tarballs have appeared on ftp.gnome.org. I 
> have a burning desire to upgrade to gedit-x.x.x because it can tell me 
> who shot JFK. The next version of garnome is not yet released, and I 
> don't feel like editing the makefiles and replacing checksums in the 
> garnome/gnome/gedit dir to fool it into doing the work for me; I know 
> that it's just a ./configure; make; make install kind of affair anyways. 

Well, GARNOME is designed to be a distribution, rather than a fast-n-hard
updating service for the impatient and needy. :-) Thus, I'm not really
interested in improving this side of things.

(I am, however, improved in its ability to upgrade, which point 3 addresses
to a certain extent.)

> The only way for me now to know if the libraries that gedit-x.x.x 
> require are in place is for me to manually do a recursive check of 
> everything that gedit has in its LIBDEPS. With the C app & central 
> repository I can just go "depfinder gedit" and get a nice clean list.

Dude, whilst it's all ABI ccompatible, why would you care? :-)

> Fiction? Nay. Well, I wrote this app, but I must have done something 
> wrong because it segfaults on a malloc (no, I haven't double-freed 
> something) when it's dealing with _really really_ long lists of 
> dependencies. For normal ones it works just fine and produces output like:

(See upstream GAR. You can do all of this in make, in fact, make is *the*
way to do it.)

> I hope y'all aren't laughing too much....

Not too much, because you went to the effort to write it in C of all things.
Nick wasn't laughing too hard when someone posted a python solution to the
GAR lists either. But he added it with very little trouble to GAR straight
away, because it's all 100% GNU make.

:-)

Thanks,

- Jeff

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begin  Jeff Waugh  quotation:
> I'd like to work out what this is, as I've only had it reported on
> non-Linux systems. It's a matter of optimising the cookie-finding [
> I would prefer to actually fix this problem, not remove the symptoms
> :-) ].

	I'd love to work on optimizations for GAR cookie-finding.
Right now what a dependency build does in the latest GAR is this
(essentially):

dep-$(GARDIR)/%:
	$(MAKE) -C $(GARDIR)/$* install-p > || \
	$(MAKE) -C $(GARDIR)/$* install

Thus, we're forking a copy of make each time.  This is largely because
the LNX-BBC project has build deps, which are built only for the
purpose of building other stuff, and get thrown in a scratch dir that
will eventually be wiped (consider flex or bison as an example --
they're used to compile things, but we don't actually include them on
the bootable business card).

Thus we actually have to rely on the package's predicate calls to tell
us for real if something is installed or not.  

For a while I was doing it with a simple test line in the dep-foo
rules.  This was very fast as it had only to fork a copy of the shell,
not a new make instance that sourced in the new package makefile.  I
forget how old the GARNOME gar is, but if it uses anything like the
modern dep-checking, then it's probably forkings of make slowing you
down.  Just a guess, really.

> So, let's work out why it's slow...

The LNX-BBC tree has some hojillion dependencies and packages.  I'm
running these tests on an already-built tree, so the ONLY work it has
to do is dep-checking.  This is a Debian Testing system with a
skanky-ass old kernel and only one of its dual Pentium IIs being used:

----8<----
[gar(/usr/local/var/build-last/gar/meta/lnx-bbc)] time make showdeps | wc -l
    259

real    0m37.293s
user    0m12.130s
sys     0m25.140s
----8<----

	So some of those deps are repeated etc, but if GARNOME is
recent enough to have "showdeps" you should be able to compare for
number of dep-checking tests it'd have to do.  Note that the showdeps
itself took 37 seconds.  Long, but not half an hour.

----8<----
[gar(/usr/local/var/build-last/gar/meta/lnx-bbc)] time make install > /tmp/ttt

real    0m2.805s
user    0m0.520s
sys     0m2.150s
----8<----

This is largely because it doesn't do the deep dep checking like the
waaaay old GAR used to (because the super-old GAR used to do
deep-checking, while the code above only checks the dep one below
(unless I were to update install-p with deep checking, which I may
someday do!)).  

A make install in the singularity dir (which has 159 dependencies and
build deps) runs like this when all install deps are satisfied:

----8<----
[gar(~/bbc/gar/meta/singularity)] time make configure > /tmp/ttt

real    0m41.949s
user    0m10.450s
sys     0m31.560s
----8<----

So it looks like we're getting 3-4 deps checked per second.  Not the
best timing, but certainly not enough to make the thing take half an
hour!

Try doing a "time make configure" for a package that has all of its
deps satisfied.

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begin  Idan Gazit  quotation:
> * 1 Central list of dependencies at the root of the garnome dir (this 
> will also be easier to maintain as time goes on)

	You're joking, right?

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> begin  Idan Gazit  quotation:
> > * 1 Central list of dependencies at the root of the garnome dir (this 
> > will also be easier to maintain as time goes on)
> 
> 	You're joking, right?

Damn, and I was hoping for some cranked up Alexander Viro lecture stylin's.

  Dude, you've so chilled.

- Jeff

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begin  Jeff Waugh  quotation:
> 
> > begin  Idan Gazit  quotation:
> > > * 1 Central list of dependencies at the root of the garnome dir
> > > (this will also be easier to maintain as time goes on)
> > 
> > 	You're joking, right?
> 
> Damn, and I was hoping for some cranked up Alexander Viro lecture
> stylin's.
> 
>   Dude, you've so chilled.

	Ha ha.  Well, I'm tryin' not to bad-cop your project, and I
really am interested in hearing out anyone who's bothered to *write
code*.  I figure I'll let him explain his justification for the
architectural choices, rebut if necessary, lecture if persistently
wrong, and flame if he's obnoxious.  

	So far, however, what I see is an interested developer who's
exploring the GAR architecture, and that makes me happy.

	Now merge upstream, ya lazy arse!

-- 
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as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. 
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> > Damn, and I was hoping for some cranked up Alexander Viro lecture
> > stylin's.
> > 
> >   Dude, you've so chilled.
> 
> 	Ha ha.  Well, I'm tryin' not to bad-cop your project, and I
> really am interested in hearing out anyone who's bothered to *write
> code*.  I figure I'll let him explain his justification for the
> architectural choices, rebut if necessary, lecture if persistently
> wrong, and flame if he's obnoxious.  
> 
> 	So far, however, what I see is an interested developer who's
> exploring the GAR architecture, and that makes me happy.

You haven't just chilled - you're getting old! :-) Further encouragement for
GAR-hacking (and to check out what I haven't pulled down from upstream yet,
because I'm a lazy git, or maybe just too busy with GNOME stuff):

  http://gar.lnx-bbc.org/

> 	Now merge upstream, ya lazy arse!

Yes Mum, right after I take out the garbage...

- Jeff (who runs off to do a GNOME release instead, nyah nyah!)

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Nick Moffitt & Jeff Waugh Wrote:

 > You suck. You know nothing about the intricacies of make or gar or 
anything that matches the glob pattern "auto*".

Uh... Guilty! It was just a suggestion that came around because I wrote 
the app to do exactly what I wrote in the first post; i.e. get a list of 
dependencies w/o doing it by hand (Think perl -- why do it by hand when 
you can spend a day writing an app to do it for you? Laziness, hubris...)

Well, it was a nice idea until I had it handed to me well-done on a platter.

Hope to contribute something more worthwhile in the future,

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> Nick Moffitt & Jeff Waugh Wrote:
> 
> > You suck. You know nothing about the intricacies of make or gar or
> > anything that matches the glob pattern "auto*".
> 
> Uh... Guilty!

Ha ha, awwww. :-)

> It was just a suggestion that came around because I wrote the app to do
> exactly what I wrote in the first post; i.e. get a list of dependencies
> w/o doing it by hand (Think perl -- why do it by hand when you can spend a
> day writing an app to do it for you? Laziness, hubris...)

Blame my laziness for not upgrading to the latest GAR stuff. :-)

> Hope to contribute something more worthwhile in the future,

You're way welcome, I think a few people have learnt a bit more about GAR
and make just through this thread.

btw, I've been using GAR as a basis for some impromtu make tutorials - if
you want to get to know some really handy make stuff in a really cool
project, read the GAR makefiles. Nick ("maaaate!") has done a sterling job.

- Jeff

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On  5 Sep 2002, Jeff Waugh  wrote:
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> 
> > I've written a free program called distcc, which distributes the work of
> > compilation across several machines on a network.  It works well with
> > GARNOME, and (leaving aside downloads) can compile more than twice as fast
> > as plain gcc.
> 
> Rock! So the bugs you found with libtool and such are all fixed?

You actually still need a small workaround of using a shell script
"distc", that does

  exec distcc gcc "$@"

libtool works happily with that, and in truth libtool itself is so
slow that the small overhead of the script won't matter much.

I'll do it properly in the next one or two releases so that libtool
will be able to just call distcc directly.

I sent patches for a couple of small Makefile races, but there may be
some more lurking in there.

Aside from that, yes, it works well.

The other thing that would help it would be to increase the level of
parallelism in GARNOME.  For example, you could compile gtk+ while you
are downloading libgnome.  This would help even for people without
distcc, and for distcc it should be a big boost.  Of course it will
make it a little more complex, but no worse than -j in general.

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> The other thing that would help it would be to increase the level of
> parallelism in GARNOME.  For example, you could compile gtk+ while you are
> downloading libgnome.  This would help even for people without distcc, and
> for distcc it should be a big boost.  Of course it will make it a little
> more complex, but no worse than -j in general.

Yeah, good call. I'm going to look into this once I've upgraded to latest
upstream.

Thanks,

- Jeff

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Can anyone tell me where to find this beast?  It does not seem to be 
part of the garnome distribution and I'm having a tough time finding it..  

Thanks,
Larry


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gnome-control-center?

Larry McQueary had the audacity to claim:

>Can anyone tell me where to find this beast?  It does not seem to be part of
>the garnome distribution and I'm having a tough time finding it..


-- 

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Hmmm.  I don't find that in the control-center package.  I am not 
running Linux, FYI, so I'm looking for a current GNOME source package 
that contains this shell script (gnome-config).

Thanks,
Larry

Vigil wrote:

>gnome-control-center?
>
>Larry McQueary had the audacity to claim:
>
>  
>
>>Can anyone tell me where to find this beast?  It does not seem to be part of
>>the garnome distribution and I'm having a tough time finding it..
>>    
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begin  Jeff Waugh  quotation:
> 
> > The other thing that would help it would be to increase the level
> > of parallelism in GARNOME.  For example, you could compile gtk+
> > while you are downloading libgnome.  This would help even for
> > people without distcc, and for distcc it should be a big boost.
> > Of course it will make it a little more complex, but no worse than
> > -j in general.
> 
> Yeah, good call. I'm going to look into this once I've upgraded to
> latest upstream.

	It's a tough problem, and one that I'd like to see solved
portably.  Some individual packages, for example, are not internally
parallelizable, and the system would need to be smart about
dependencies.  We'd probably need to set up some sort of external
locking mechanism, and that makes me kind of queasy.

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On  7 Sep 2002, Nick Moffitt  wrote:
>> [external parallelization]

(or, as my old professor called it, paralysation.)

> 	It's a tough problem, and one that I'd like to see solved
> portably.  Some individual packages, for example, are not internally
> parallelizable, and the system would need to be smart about
> dependencies.  We'd probably need to set up some sort of external
> locking mechanism, and that makes me kind of queasy.

My naive idea was that building several packages in parallel would be
a nice way to avoid worrying about whether they are internally
parallelizable.  So at the GAR level dependencies like this would seem
to be safe and also permit useful parallelization:

  install-libgtk: build-libgtk
  build-libgtk: download-libgtk
  build-libgnome: install-libgtk download-libgnome

I haven't looked at whether this would work inside GARNOME.  I guess
you would want to have some kind of lock file indicating that the
installation has completed, so that you don't need to actually run
"make install" every time.  I suppose also you would want some kind of
limit on the number of download tasks that can run at any time.
 
-- 
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> Can anyone tell me where to find this beast?  It does not seem to be 
> part of the garnome distribution and I'm having a tough time finding it..  

It's in libgnome 1.x... What's looking for it?

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xscreensaver was, probably because it hasn't been updated to gnome2 yet. 
 I'm having trouble getting xscreensaver's configure script to like my 
libxml and libMesaGL installations, and so far have been too lazy to 
unravel the script and doctor it appropriately.  It seemed that 
gnome-config might have solved the problem, but I guess I'll just have 
to hack the script after all.

Thanks,
Larry

Jeff Waugh wrote:

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>  
>
>>Can anyone tell me where to find this beast?  It does not seem to be 
>>part of the garnome distribution and I'm having a tough time finding it..  
>>    
>>
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>It's in libgnome 1.x... What's looking for it?
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> xscreensaver was, probably because it hasn't been updated to gnome2 yet.
> I'm having trouble getting xscreensaver's configure script to like my
> libxml and libMesaGL installations, and so far have been too lazy to
> unravel the script and doctor it appropriately.  It seemed that
> gnome-config might have solved the problem, but I guess I'll just have to
> hack the script after all.

The very latest versions of xscreensaver have a G2 control panel, so
shouldn't require gnome-config.

Be aware that xscreensaver really, really, really wants to be installed in
your proper system prefix to work properly (which is why it isn't in
GARNOME).

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Hi,

I've just completed a fresh install of Debian and have built garnome, as
well as gdm.  I'm running gdm from my home directory and  I followed the
instructions in the FAQ to setup my .xsession.  When I log in I only get a
xterm without borders, no mouse menus, etc.  Sort of like when you press
Shift-F1 for xdm to login in safe mode.  Any help on actually getting the
menus, control center, etc would be really appreciated.

Thanks,

Ramon Kagan
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Well, define proper system prefix?  I think for Solaris users it's 
perhaps less straightforward.  (Danger, danger, broad know-it-all, 
annoying generalization follows).  In the world of Linux, just about 
everything that commercial UNIX users get as part of their standard OS 
distribution is freeware; rather than being an 'alternate' piece of 
software that one can use for a particular purpose, it is 'the' software 
to use for a particular purpose (ex: in Linux you use GNU fileutils 
because, well, it's basically the fileutils package for every UNIX 
system.  OTOH, I use GNU fileutils on Solaris because they are more 
'sane' in certain circumstances and with treatment of certain arguments 
(e.g. tar -C with garnome!!!) than the Solaris versions.  

The point I'm getting to (honest) is that while it's perfectly normal in 
the world of Linux to go install extra software in /bin, /usr/bin, 
/usr/X11R6/bin, etc.... it's not OK to me to install any of this stuff 
anywhere but in /usr/local,  /usr/local/, or /opt/ on 
a Solaris box.

But all this aside, I guess you're telling be that xscreensaver *really* 
wants to be in /usr/X11R6/bin, etc ?  What is the *very* latest version? 
 I was working with 4.04.

Incidentally, I got it working after munging the Makefiles a bit; 
however the path of least resistance was to have it install in my 
garnome install directories vs. /usr/local (which was my preference, 
since, as you pointed out, this is not part of garnome).

Still didn't get the XML or OpenGL stuff to get picked up by configure 
(as noted below, which is what led me into this discussion), but the 
basics work a treat.

Any additional pointers on this appreciated.

Thanks,
Larry

Jeff Waugh wrote:

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>
>  
>
>>xscreensaver was, probably because it hasn't been updated to gnome2 yet.
>>I'm having trouble getting xscreensaver's configure script to like my
>>libxml and libMesaGL installations, and so far have been too lazy to
>>unravel the script and doctor it appropriately.  It seemed that
>>gnome-config might have solved the problem, but I guess I'll just have to
>>hack the script after all.
>>    
>>
>
>The very latest versions of xscreensaver have a G2 control panel, so
>shouldn't require gnome-config.
>
>Be aware that xscreensaver really, really, really wants to be installed in
>your proper system prefix to work properly (which is why it isn't in
>GARNOME).
>
>- Jeff
>
>  
>


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Hi Gene,

On Fri, 6 Sep 2002 21:13:20 -0400
Gene Heskett  wrote:

> [...]
> Update, they didn't.  Got worse in fact.  I cleaned out the build 
> dir for gcc3.2, reran the configure using all the defaults, make'd 
> a bootstrap, check and install.  No difference, so I went after 
> qt-3.0.5, but gave it a bunch of options since it defaults to a lot 
> of them off.  Built it, no errors important enough to abort the 
> build.
> 
> Now I can't even startx, and in garnome-0.14.1/meta/kde I get this 
> for a make:
> ----------------
> [...]
> checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C 
> compiler cannot create executables
> [...]
> 
> Reverting back to qt-3.0.4 as /usr/loca/lqt and startx works, 
> running it now.
> 
> Ideas?

Whenever you see "C compiler cannot create executable" in autoconf/automake
and libtool-based projects, you should first take a look at "configure.log"
to find the exact file/parameters that are being given to the compiler.
It may be any number of things from invalid parameters, to something as
basic as having no r/x permissions in include or lib directories in the
compiler search paths.

Having said that, Qt being C++-based, and there are changes in ABI between
versions 2.95.x, 3.0.x, 3.1.x, and 3.2.x, expect troubles during linking
if you use different compiler than the one which was used to compile Qt.

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> Well, define proper system prefix?  I think for Solaris users it's perhaps
> less straightforward.

It should be less straightfoward for anyone installing new software from
source on a *NIX system. :-) From memory, it's mostly the X resource files
that have issues being 'out of prefix' (with regards to X).

> What is the *very* latest version?  I was working with 4.04.

Yeah, that's it - the G2D stuff must be behind a configure variable.

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Hi,

I noticed that gimp-freetype is in the gnome directory structure in 
garnome-0.14.1 but does not build -- is that normal?

Also, my nautilus has problems locating XftConfig, and so do I - is this 
part of the freetype package?  Do I really need this package given that 
I've got my own X stuff courtesy of Solaris?  Is there some suitable way 
to make nautilus look for the appropriate font configuration file elsewhere?

Thanks,
Larry


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Correction: when I say fails to build, I mean that it simply doesn't 
even try to build it from what I can see.

Thanks,
Larry

Larry McQueary wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I noticed that gimp-freetype is in the gnome directory structure in 
> garnome-0.14.1 but does not build -- is that normal?
>
> Also, my nautilus has problems locating XftConfig, and so do I - is 
> this part of the freetype package?  Do I really need this package 
> given that I've got my own X stuff courtesy of Solaris?  Is there some 
> suitable way to make nautilus look for the appropriate font 
> configuration file elsewhere?
>
> Thanks,
> Larry
>


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Hi Larry,

On Mon, 09 Sep 2002 11:22:52 -0600
Larry McQueary  wrote:

> Correction: when I say fails to build, I mean that it simply doesn't 
> even try to build it from what I can see.
> 
> Thanks,
> Larry

GIMP and other applications are built from gnome-fifth-toe subdirectory.
You can check the "Makefile" in each of the meta/* subdirectories to see
which apps/libs get built.  Additional libs are required for building
some apps in fifth-toe directory.  If you don't need audio-related apps
I guess you can ignore them (they seem to be built last, so it's no big
deal if they're not built).

Cheers!
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> Correction: when I say fails to build, I mean that it simply doesn't even
> try to build it from what I can see.

Yeah, there's *heaps* of stuff in the ports that aren't built by the
gnome-desktop meta garball. Some of them are built with the other meta
garballs, but you can always build them individually anyway - they have full
dependencies.

- Jeff

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hey all,

now i've spent (hopefully) plenty of time browsing mailing list archives =
for
 a solution to this problem.  I was able to find plenty of other people
 having the same exact error, but never any using garnome greater then
 0.8.6....

i'm using garnome-0.14.1 on slackware 8.0.
my distro is close to stock install. i have XFree86-4.1 with 2.4.5 kernel=
=2E

the compile fails during pango's make.

so during the compile of garnome i get an error like this:

=3D=3D> Running make in work/pango-1.0.4
make[4]: Entering directory
`/home/blargg/download/garnome-0.14.1/gnome/pango/work/pango-1.0.4'
make  all-recursive

(it's running make on pango....)
(blah blah)

(then here)
cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -DPANGO_ENABLE_BACKEND -DPANGO_ENABLE_ENG=
INE
-DSYSCONFDIR=3D\"/opt/gnome2/etc\" -DLIBDIR=3D\"/opt/gnome2/lib\"
-DMODULE_VERSION=3D\"1.0.0\" -DG_DISABLE_DEPRECATED -I/usr/X11R6/include
-I/opt/gnome2/include -I/opt/gnome2/include/freetype2 -I..
-I/opt/gnome2/include -I/opt/gnome2/include -I/opt/gnome2/include
-I/opt/gnome2/include -I/opt/gnome2/include -O2 -pipe -g
-I/opt/gnome2/include -O2 -pipe -g -I/opt/gnome2/include -O2 -pipe -g
-I/opt/gnome2/include -Wall -D_REENTRANT -I/opt/gnome2/include/glib-2.0
-I/opt/gnome2/lib/glib-2.0/include -c pangoxft-font.c  -fPIC -DPIC -o
pangoxft-font.lo
In file included from pangoxft.h:27,
                 from pangoxft-private.h:25,
                 from pangoxft-font.c:26:
=2E./pango/pango-ot.h:43: parse error before `face'
In file included from pangoxft-private.h:25,
                 from pangoxft-font.c:26:
pangoxft.h:64: parse error before `pango_xft_font_get_face'
pangoxft.h:64: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of
`pango_xft_font_get_face'
pangoxft.h:64: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
In file included from pangoxft-font.c:27:
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:34: parse error before
`_XftFTlibrary'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:34: warning: type defaults to `i=
nt'
in d/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:34: warning: data definition=
 has
no type or storage class
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:37: parse error before `FT_Face'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:37: warning: no semicolon at end=
 of
struct or union
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:41: parse error before `size'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:41: warning: type defaults to `i=
nt'
in declaration of `size'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:41: warning: data definition has=
 no
type or storage class
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:54: parse error before `matrix'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:54: warning: type defaults to `i=
nt'
in declaration of `matrix'
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:54: warning: data definition has=
 no
type or storage class
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:71: parse error before `face'
pangoxft-font.c: In function `get_mini_font':
pangoxft-font.c:164: `FT_Face' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:164: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
pangoxft-font.c:164: for each function it appears in.)
pangoxft-font.c:164: parse error before `face'
pangoxft-font.c:176: `face' undeclared (first use in this function)
pangoxft-font.c:181: warning: implicit declaration of function declaratio=
n of
`_XftFTlibrary' `FT_Get_Char_Index'


ok, their is more output that i'm not including because it was long..so i
 left it out.

now i've read in garnome-list archives, that past people on slackware wer=
e
having problems.  one fix said to get freetype-2.0.9 installed and it wou=
ld
work.  the email said pango wouldn't compile/link against freetype-2.1.2.=
  ??

so i've compiled freetype-2.0.9 but garnome still automatically downloads
freetype-2.1.2



what is the fix to this error?  am i missing some obvious fix that other
 slack users know about?   did i not thouroughly search the net for the f=
ix?


thanks,

ben



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On Monday 09 September 2002 12:38, Vichaya Sidhipong wrote:
>Hi Gene,
>
>On Fri, 6 Sep 2002 21:13:20 -0400
>
>Gene Heskett  wrote:
>> [...]
>> Update, they didn't.  Got worse in fact.  I cleaned out the
>> build dir for gcc3.2, reran the configure using all the
>> defaults, make'd a bootstrap, check and install.  No difference,
>> so I went after qt-3.0.5, but gave it a bunch of options since
>> it defaults to a lot of them off.  Built it, no errors important
>> enough to abort the build.
>>
>> Now I can't even startx, and in garnome-0.14.1/meta/kde I get
>> this for a make:
>> ----------------
>> [...]
>> checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C
>> compiler cannot create executables
>> [...]
>>
>> Reverting back to qt-3.0.4 as /usr/loca/lqt and startx works,
>> running it now.
>>
>> Ideas?
>
>Whenever you see "C compiler cannot create executable" in
> autoconf/automake and libtool-based projects, you should first
> take a look at "configure.log" to find the exact file/parameters
> that are being given to the compiler. It may be any number of
> things from invalid parameters, to something as basic as having
> no r/x permissions in include or lib directories in the compiler
> search paths.
>
>Having said that, Qt being C++-based, and there are changes in ABI
> between versions 2.95.x, 3.0.x, 3.1.x, and 3.2.x, expect troubles
> during linking if you use different compiler than the one which
> was used to compile Qt.

It appears that I cannot control where the compiler is looking for 
its c++ includes, the Makefile apparently being permanently locked 
to -I/usr/include, which of course is supposedly deprecated in the 
first place, and sure as heck not where gcc3.2 puts them.  The STL 
stuffs get put in

/usr/local/gcc3.2/include/c++/3.2/bits

And in one install they wound up in

/usr/local/gcc3.2/include/c++/3.2/i686--pc-linux-gnu/include/

but I tore that one out as being totally unusable in the real world.

This install is almost sane compared to my first two tries.

-- 
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Subject: Re: garnome-0.14.1 and slackware 8.0 won't compile
From: Matt Blaha 
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Hi Ben,

I'm running garnome on slack 8.1 and ran into similar problems
compiling, you are right that you need to update freetype.

If you're installing from a tarball, you may have an issue with garnome
still looking to your old package, easiest fix would be to remove the
freetype package and then install from tarball.

Even easier (what I did) would be to grab some updated packages at
linuxpackages.net, and just use upgradepkg. I'm running freetype-2.1.2
from there.

Hope I helped.

Long Live Slack,

-- Matt

On Mon, 2002-09-09 at 12:54, ben f wrote:
> hey all,
> 
> now i've spent (hopefully) plenty of time browsing mailing list archives for
>  a solution to this problem.  I was able to find plenty of other people
>  having the same exact error, but never any using garnome greater then
>  0.8.6....
> 
> i'm using garnome-0.14.1 on slackware 8.0.
> my distro is close to stock install. i have XFree86-4.1 with 2.4.5 kernel.
> 
> the compile fails during pango's make.
> 
> so during the compile of garnome i get an error like this:
> 
> ==> Running make in work/pango-1.0.4
> make[4]: Entering directory
> `/home/blargg/download/garnome-0.14.1/gnome/pango/work/pango-1.0.4'
> make  all-recursive
> 
> (it's running make on pango....)
> (blah blah)
> 
> (then here)
> cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -DPANGO_ENABLE_BACKEND -DPANGO_ENABLE_ENGINE
> -DSYSCONFDIR=\"/opt/gnome2/etc\" -DLIBDIR=\"/opt/gnome2/lib\"
> -DMODULE_VERSION=\"1.0.0\" -DG_DISABLE_DEPRECATED -I/usr/X11R6/include
> -I/opt/gnome2/include -I/opt/gnome2/include/freetype2 -I..
> -I/opt/gnome2/include -I/opt/gnome2/include -I/opt/gnome2/include
> -I/opt/gnome2/include -I/opt/gnome2/include -O2 -pipe -g
> -I/opt/gnome2/include -O2 -pipe -g -I/opt/gnome2/include -O2 -pipe -g
> -I/opt/gnome2/include -Wall -D_REENTRANT -I/opt/gnome2/include/glib-2.0
> -I/opt/gnome2/lib/glib-2.0/include -c pangoxft-font.c  -fPIC -DPIC -o
> pangoxft-font.lo
> In file included from pangoxft.h:27,
>                  from pangoxft-private.h:25,
>                  from pangoxft-font.c:26:
> ../pango/pango-ot.h:43: parse error before `face'
> In file included from pangoxft-private.h:25,
>                  from pangoxft-font.c:26:
> pangoxft.h:64: parse error before `pango_xft_font_get_face'
> pangoxft.h:64: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of
> `pango_xft_font_get_face'
> pangoxft.h:64: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
> In file included from pangoxft-font.c:27:
> /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:34: parse error before
> `_XftFTlibrary'
> /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:34: warning: type defaults to `int'
> in d/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:34: warning: data definition has
> no type or storage class
> /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:37: parse error before `FT_Face'
> /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:37: warning: no semicolon at end of
> struct or union
> /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:41: parse error before `size'
> /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:41: warning: type defaults to `int'
> in declaration of `size'
> /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:41: warning: data definition has no
> type or storage class
> /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:54: parse error before `matrix'
> /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:54: warning: type defaults to `int'
> in declaration of `matrix'
> /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:54: warning: data definition has no
> type or storage class
> /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xft/XftFreetype.h:71: parse error before `face'
> pangoxft-font.c: In function `get_mini_font':
> pangoxft-font.c:164: `FT_Face' undeclared (first use in this function)
> pangoxft-font.c:164: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
> pangoxft-font.c:164: for each function it appears in.)
> pangoxft-font.c:164: parse error before `face'
> pangoxft-font.c:176: `face' undeclared (first use in this function)
> pangoxft-font.c:181: warning: implicit declaration of function declaration of
> `_XftFTlibrary' `FT_Get_Char_Index'
> 
> 
> ok, their is more output that i'm not including because it was long..so i
>  left it out.
> 
> now i've read in garnome-list archives, that past people on slackware were
> having problems.  one fix said to get freetype-2.0.9 installed and it would
> work.  the email said pango wouldn't compile/link against freetype-2.1.2.  ??
> 
> so i've compiled freetype-2.0.9 but garnome still automatically downloads
> freetype-2.1.2
> 
> 
> 
> what is the fix to this error?  am i missing some obvious fix that other
>  slack users know about?   did i not thouroughly search the net for the fix?
> 
> 
> thanks,
> 
> ben
> 
> 
> -- 
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GARNOME 0.15.0: "The Little Furnace"
====================================

GARNOME - the bad-ass, bleeding edge GNOME distribution for testers and
tweakers everywhere. If you're dying to test the latest GNOME 2.0 Desktop
releases, but don't want to fall into the depraved addictions and
co-dependencies of testing from anonymous CVS, then GARNOME is for you.

[ In other words, GARNOME is a build tool for GNOME 2.x which includes the
developer platform and desktop releases, as well as a host of other software
ported to the GNOME 2.x platform. Everything is as easy to build as 'make
install'. We call it a 'distribution' because it's sanity-tested and often
patched before release, for your convenience and enjoyment. ;-) ]


Random Stuff
------------

Another belated announcement, if only by a few hours this time. A quick
hint: Sometimes you'll find new tarballs up on the download site that
haven't been announced yet.

That's either due to laziness on my part, giving the regulars on #garnome
time to test it and point out my foibles before the rest of the world can,
or just because I've done anther GNOME release at a very silly hour and have
fallen asleep before getting GARNOME out. That's what happened this time. :)

... it's so hard to resist the mighty power of The Little Furnace!


What's New?
-----------

  * Updated to the GNOME 2.0.2 RC 1.

  * Updated GAR system to latest upstream version. HOORAY! Thanks to Nick
    Moffit and the LNX-BBC crew for such a kickarse reusable project.

  * Moved compiler settings out of category files and into gar.conf.mk.

  * Fixed: memprof should be in gnome-hacker-tools meta garball.

  * Fixed: gimp-print now configures with --without-cups, to avoid
    out-of-GARNOME-prefix installation borkage.

  * Fixed: Remove upstream's glibc workarounds. They just cramp our elite
    cross-platform stylin's. Thanks to ajmitch.

  * Fixed: gst-plugins -Werror removal fixes some issues, thanks again to
    ajmitch.

  * Fixed: gnome-vfs has had a new release, so the menu issues are fixed.
    Some unexpected foo might happen if you have pre-existing vfolders state
    stored in ~/.gnome2/vfolders/ -> be careful out there!


Where Do I Get It?
------------------

The tarball and documentation [1] are available on the GARNOME website:

  http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/garnome/


Enjoy G2D and GARNOME. :-)

- Jeff

[1] People who don't read the documentation tend to look pretty silly on
garnome-list and in #garnome.

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begin  Jeff Waugh  quotation:
>   * Fixed: Remove upstream's glibc workarounds. They just cramp our
>   elite cross-platform stylin's. Thanks to ajmitch.

	I take it this is the LD_LIBRARY_PATH stuff?

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> begin  Jeff Waugh  quotation:
> >   * Fixed: Remove upstream's glibc workarounds. They just cramp our
> >   elite cross-platform stylin's. Thanks to ajmitch.
> 
> 	I take it this is the LD_LIBRARY_PATH stuff?

Nah, just the LD_PRELOAD of libc.so... Bit of an issue for our non-GNU/Linux
users. :-)

- Jeff

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On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Larry McQueary wrote:

> The point I'm getting to (honest) is that while it's perfectly normal in
> the world of Linux to go install extra software in /bin, /usr/bin,
> /usr/X11R6/bin, etc.... it's not OK to me to install any of this stuff
> anywhere but in /usr/local,  /usr/local/, or /opt/ on
> a Solaris box.

I don't think it's perfectly normal in the world of Linux to install extra
software in anywhere but /usr/local and /opt (except $HOME ;-).  Dispite
your initial warning I feel compelled to reply to this.  Anyway, good luck
with xscreensaver, maybe someone can talk them into doing things in a more
sane fashion?  I have no experience, but I trust Jeff's opinion on it.  It
would certainly be nice to have xscreensaver as a part of GARNOME.

regards,
Sean


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Hi,
I installed garnome under my user: home/Marco: after various modeule comp=
ilation
I tried to compile the gnome-applets but received first this error:

./configure: config.log: Permission denied
make[1]: *** [configure-work/libgtop-2.0.0/configure] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory ?home/Marco/garnome-0.12.0/libgtop?
make: *** [dep-../../gnome/libgtop] Error 2

I give the prompt the su command and the compilation continue but after
some lines the compilation stopped and obtain this error:

checking for pkg-config... no
*** The pkg-config script could not be found. Make sure it is
*** in your path, or set the PKG_CONFIG environment variable
*** to the full path to pkg-config.
*** Or see http://www.freedesktop.org/software/pkg-config to get pkg-conf=
ig.
configure error: Library requirements (glib2.0 >=3D 2.0.0) not met; consi=
der
adj
usting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in
a nonst
andard prefix so pkg-config can find them.
make[1]: *** [configure-work/libgtop-2.0.0/configure] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory ?home/Marco/garnome-0.12.0/libgtop?
make: *** [dep-../../gnome/libgtop] Error 2

I compiled previously the pkg-config and it is good, but I see that under=

the pkg-config there is another glib (it seems 1.2.18). But in another li=
nux
on my disk I installed garnome under root and downloaded files from the
gnome site and never met this error. In fact now I am in another system
and try to compile package that I found on a cd magazine. I controlled th=
e
packages and they are good (it seems).
What about this error in compilation?
Best regards,

Marco Mangiante

P.S.: I use garnome-0.12.0 while in the other system I used garnome-0.13.=
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Hi,
I compiled kde using garnome but I don't get amy mime
types installed. Due to this, nothing seems to work on
the desktop. I get some error from kioslave etc...also
there are no menu items appearing on tke 'K' menu!

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Hi,
I compiled kde using garnome but I don't get amy mime
types installed. Due to this, nothing seems to work on
the desktop. I get some error from kioslave etc...also
there are no menu items appearing on tke 'K' menu!

TIA,
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Your problems seem like you installed some packages with one user then
tried to install others with a different user. To me it sounds like you
should just delete all the garnome stuff and start over.
I don't completely understand what you are saying though.  perhaps if you
gave a walkthrough of what commands you ran to install garnome it would
be easier to diagnose your problem?

regards,
Sean

On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 marcomangiante@virgilio.it wrote:

> Hi,
> I installed garnome under my user: home/Marco: after various modeule compilation
> I tried to compile the gnome-applets but received first this error:
>
> ./configure: config.log: Permission denied
> make[1]: *** [configure-work/libgtop-2.0.0/configure] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory ?home/Marco/garnome-0.12.0/libgtop?
> make: *** [dep-../../gnome/libgtop] Error 2
>
> I give the prompt the su command and the compilation continue but after
> some lines the compilation stopped and obtain this error:
>
> checking for pkg-config... no
> *** The pkg-config script could not be found. Make sure it is
> *** in your path, or set the PKG_CONFIG environment variable
> *** to the full path to pkg-config.
> *** Or see http://www.freedesktop.org/software/pkg-config to get pkg-config.
> configure error: Library requirements (glib2.0 >= 2.0.0) not met; consider
> adj
> usting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in
> a nonst
> andard prefix so pkg-config can find them.
> make[1]: *** [configure-work/libgtop-2.0.0/configure] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory ?home/Marco/garnome-0.12.0/libgtop?
> make: *** [dep-../../gnome/libgtop] Error 2
>
> I compiled previously the pkg-config and it is good, but I see that under
> the pkg-config there is another glib (it seems 1.2.18). But in another linux
> on my disk I installed garnome under root and downloaded files from the
> gnome site and never met this error. In fact now I am in another system
> and try to compile package that I found on a cd magazine. I controlled the
> packages and they are good (it seems).
> What about this error in compilation?
> Best regards,
>
> Marco Mangiante
>
> P.S.: I use garnome-0.12.0 while in the other system I used garnome-0.13.1
>
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Ramon Kagan wrote:

> I've just completed a fresh install of Debian and have built garnome, as
> well as gdm.  I'm running gdm from my home directory and  I followed the
> instructions in the FAQ to setup my .xsession.  When I log in I only get a
> xterm without borders, no mouse menus, etc.  Sort of like when you press
> Shift-F1 for xdm to login in safe mode.  Any help on actually getting the
> menus, control center, etc would be really appreciated.

Sounds like you have the same problem I was having. Your .xsession file isn't being used by /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession because the .xsession file is not executable. Maybe chmod +x ~/.xsession would correct the problem like it did for me.

Hope this helps.

regards,
syd.



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Installed Garnome 0.15.0 last night with no compile problems whatsoever
on my Slackware 8.1 based system. (Although I did remove the Slackware
Nautilus package before compiling... I also copied my Slackware-specific
gconf path before logging back in.) 

Everything looks OK, except that there are no items except submenus
under Desktop Preferences on the main menu.

Everything's there via Nautilus, and the quick look I took at the
vfolder structure this morning didn't reveal any obvious issues.

I plan to dig deeper, but thought I'd ask around first.

TIA

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I have a couple of small suggestions for the FAQ:

1. Add to FAQ #10 that in case the .xsession file doesn't already exist, 
it should be created and made executable.

2. For redhat7.3 users, suggest that they use GConf-1.0.9 from RawHide, 
to avoid conflicts with gconfd-1.

This is a really great package to use. Thanks for all your hard work.

Regards
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Hi,

I figured out that the path wasn't being picked up properly.  .xsession
doesn't need to executable.

Ramon Kagan
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On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Sydney Weidman wrote:

> Ramon Kagan wrote:
>
> > I've just completed a fresh install of Debian and have built garnome, as
> > well as gdm.  I'm running gdm from my home directory and  I followed the
> > instructions in the FAQ to setup my .xsession.  When I log in I only get a
> > xterm without borders, no mouse menus, etc.  Sort of like when you press
> > Shift-F1 for xdm to login in safe mode.  Any help on actually getting the
> > menus, control center, etc would be really appreciated.
>
> Sounds like you have the same problem I was having. Your .xsession file isn't being used by /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession because the .xsession file is not executable. Maybe chmod +x ~/.xsession would correct the problem like it did for me.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> regards,
> syd.
>
>


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> Everything looks OK, except that there are no items except submenus
> under Desktop Preferences on the main menu.
> 
> Everything's there via Nautilus, and the quick look I took at the
> vfolder structure this morning didn't reveal any obvious issues.

Try deleting your ~/.gnome2/vfolders/ directory. The return of menu editing
causes some pain for people who've edited their menus in the betas or
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How about a list of packages that are installed by Garnome since the previous
release, or is there already a list that I did not see?

Also, at the bottom of the README:

   3.
file://localhost/home/jdub/src/cvs/gnome/garnome/website/root/download/?N=D
   4.
file://localhost/home/jdub/src/cvs/gnome/garnome/website/root/index.html#changelog
   5.
file://localhost/home/jdub/src/cvs/gnome/garnome/website/root/index.html#configure

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> How about a list of packages that are installed by Garnome since the
> previous release, or is there already a list that I did not see?

I usually mention new garballs in the changelog.

> Also, at the bottom of the README:

Thanks, I'll sed these to what they should be. ;-)

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FS I mean Alien not Aliens.

vigil had the audacity to claim:

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"Updated to GNOME 2.0.2 RC 1." doesn't tell me what packages are new :)

Jeff Waugh had the audacity to claim:

>> How about a list of packages that are installed by Garnome since the
>>previous release, or is there already a list that I did not see?
>
>I usually mention new garballs in the changelog.

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> "Updated to GNOME 2.0.2 RC 1." doesn't tell me what packages are new :)

There are no additional modules in GNOME 2.0.x releases. If you want to find
out exactly what was *updated*, run a diff.

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OK. On what? :)

Jeff Waugh had the audacity to claim:

>There are no additional modules in GNOME 2.0.x releases. If you want to find
>out exactly what was *updated*, run a diff.

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> OK. On what? :)

diff the old tarball against the new tarball...

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Jeff.

Any particular reason LD_LIBRARY_PATH changed in gar.conf.mk 0.15.1?  It 
now prepends /lib to LD_LIBRARY_PATH, which  just caused me some 
frustrating problems linking files in GARCHIVEDIR to the download dirs. 
Turns out this was occurring because my path has /usr/local/bin at the 
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upon shared lib versions contained in /usr/local/lib that supersede the 
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I would recommend not prepending /lib in the default gar.conf.mk.

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> Any particular reason LD_LIBRARY_PATH changed in gar.conf.mk 0.15.1?

Yeah, I brought it in from upstream. I didn't expect it to cause many
problems, but I can understand it would cause issues on commercial *nixes.

Will remove it for 0.15.1, thanks,

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OK, tell us all what this "upstream" thing is.

Jeff Waugh had the audacity to claim:

>Yeah, I brought it in from upstream. I didn't expect it to cause many problems,
>but I can understand it would cause issues on commercial *nixes.

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> OK, tell us all what this "upstream" thing is.

If you'd been following the list, you'd know it was GAR, Nick Moffit's ports
system based on GNU make, created for the LNX-BBC project.

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Oh, right :)

Jeff Waugh had the audacity to claim:

>> OK, tell us all what this "upstream" thing is.
>
>If you'd been following the list, you'd know it was GAR, Nick Moffit's ports
>system based on GNU make, created for the LNX-BBC project.

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Here the one-liner I use for it:

  for dir in `ls garnome-0.12.1/gnome/`;do diff -u
garnome-0.12.1/gnome/$dir/Makefile garnome-0.15.0/gnome/$dir/Makefile >>
garnome15.diff;done


Since garnome 0.12.1 I just kept up to date with the packages released,
I stopped compiling the whole thing over and over.
And over time I included some packages not in garnome as well. :-)
With the above diff I check if I missed any packages.

-A.

ti, 10-09-2002 kello 23:02, Jeff Waugh kirjoitti:
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> > OK. On what? :)
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> diff the old tarball against the new tarball...
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Hi I am a newb to linux and unfamiliar with the instructions on the garnome 
website about chaning the path in order to boot into garnome when it is done 
building. Can anyone help explain what i should do when garnome is done 
building? I am using the latest version of garnome, and redhat 7.3. If any one 
has any helpful suggestions I appreciate it!

Regards,
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Hi Trenten,

On Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:36:52 -0400
"Trenten R. Healy"  wrote:

> Hi I am a newb to linux and unfamiliar with the instructions on the garnome 
> website about chaning the path in order to boot into garnome when it is done 
> building. Can anyone help explain what i should do when garnome is done 
> building? I am using the latest version of garnome, and redhat 7.3. If any one 
> has any helpful suggestions I appreciate it!

What I normally do is set these:

export GDK_USE_XFT=1
export PATH=$PATH:/path/to/garnome/bin
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path/to/garnome/lib
startx /path/to/garnome/bin/gnome-session

On some machines where I don't run gdm, I put the above into bash login
script:

case "`tty`" in
/dev/tty[0-9]+)
	whiptail --yesno "Do you want to start GNOME 2.0?" 9 50
	if [ $? -eq 0 ]; then
		export PATH=$PATH:/opt/gnome/bin
		export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/gnome/lib
		export GDK_USE_XFT=1
		startx /opt/gnome/bin/gnome-session
	fi
	;;
esac

and I don't bother with ~/.xsession or ~/.xinitrc primarily for personal
reasons.

Cheers
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Last night I was trying to compile garnome for Redhat null and my first 
attempt failed.  I thought that this was because of the gcc 3.2 that null 
comes with so I downloaded/compiled/installed gcc 2.95.3.

Then before starting over I thought I should do a "make clean".  So I did 
and I got several warnings about not being unable to delete devices in my 
/dev/ directory because they were in use.  Very shortly after this my box 
went down hard and would not reboot.  I think something like a rm -rf /dev/* 
happened during the "make clean".  Fortunately since this null box was just 
to play around with anyway, nothing important was lost.

Now, I know there is nowhere in the garnome documentation that says I should 
ever do a "make clean".  However, it doesn't seem like a totally 
unreasonable thing to try if you want to start over from a failed build with 
a new compiler.  In any case, it doesn't seem like garnome should hose the 
entire system if someone makes this mistake.

In retrospect I think I maybe shouldn't have been doing this stuff as root 
but I think I actually need to be root to install garnome (at least I've had 
no luck otherwise in the past).

Anyway, no real damage done here but just a heads up on a problem developers 
may want to look at.  If I am totally wrong here let me know but the events 
I described above are exactly as they happened.



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Am I the only one who doesn't see *anything* in Nick Moffitt's messages?


Or is it just simply that I'm using Outlook?

Just curious
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hi,

I'm trying to install garnome 0.15 on my red hat 7.3 machine, but gtk+
fails because of the following error:

...
checking For sufficiently new FreeType (at least 2.0.1)... yes
configure: error: pangox Pango backend is required for x11 target
make: *** [configure-work/gtk+-2.0.6/configure] Error 1

I tried "make -k install" as suggested by someone on the gtk-list, but
that didn't work. pango.pc is right there in garnome/lib/pkgconfig.


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I see them.

Mike Taylor had the audacity to claim:

>Am I the only one who doesn't see *anything* in Nick Moffitt's messages?
>
>
>Or is it just simply that I'm using Outlook?
>
>Just curious

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On Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 04:16:43PM -0400, Mike Taylor wrote:
> Or is it just simply that I'm using Outlook?

Yes.

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Cool, thanks :)

I would have thought Mr. Waugh would have a list of the changed packages, since
he seems to program it...

Aschwin van der Woude had the audacity to claim:

>Here the one-liner I use for it:
>
>  for dir in `ls garnome-0.12.1/gnome/`;do diff -u
>garnome-0.12.1/gnome/$dir/Makefile garnome-0.15.0/gnome/$dir/Makefile >>
>garnome15.diff;done
>
>
>Since garnome 0.12.1 I just kept up to date with the packages released,
>I stopped compiling the whole thing over and over.
>And over time I included some packages not in garnome as well. :-)
>With the above diff I check if I missed any packages.
>
>-A.
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>ti, 10-09-2002 kello 23:02, Jeff Waugh kirjoitti:
>> 
>>
>> > OK. On what? :)
>>
>> diff the old tarball against the new tarball...
>>
>> - Jeff
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A better way to make the changes permanent would be to put
'/lib' into /etc/ld.so.conf. Make sure to run ldconfig after
that so the OS is aware of the change (or indeed reboot :)).

Put '/bin' in your path (export PATH=...), which will be in
/etc/profile. Also put 'export GDK_USE_XFT=1' at the bottom of that file.

If there's an 'exec' in your ~/.xinitrc, change it to read 'exec gnome-session'.
Either re-log in or 'source /etc/profile', then start X.

Or something.

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>On Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:36:52 -0400
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>> Hi I am a newb to linux and unfamiliar with the instructions on the garnome >
>website about chaning the path in order to boot into garnome when it is done >
>building. Can anyone help explain what i should do when garnome is done >
>building? I am using the latest version of garnome, and redhat 7.3. If any one
>> has any helpful suggestions I appreciate it!

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> I'm trying to install garnome 0.15 on my red hat 7.3 machine, but gtk+
> fails because of the following error:
> 
> ...
> checking For sufficiently new FreeType (at least 2.0.1)... yes
> configure: error: pangox Pango backend is required for x11 target
> make: *** [configure-work/gtk+-2.0.6/configure] Error 1

You need to install the X development packages, and rebuild pango. (Note
that pango must actually reconfigurem, so make clean ; make install it.)

- Jeff

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Getting following error when using GARNOME 0.15.0 on REDHAT 7.3 during 
GNOME 2 compilation.
Any hints???

********************************************************************
yelp-window.c: In function `window_populate':
yelp-window.c:265: `gettext' undeclared (first use in this function)
yelp-window.c:265: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
yelp-window.c:265: for each function it appears in.)
make[4]: *** [yelp-window.o] Error 1
make[4]: Leaving directory
`/tmp/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/yelp/work/yelp-1.0.6/src'
make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory
`/tmp/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/yelp/work/yelp-1.0.6'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/tmp/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/yelp/work/yelp-1.0.6'
make[1]: *** [build-work/yelp-1.0.6/Makefile] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/yelp'
make: *** [dep-../../gnome/yelp] Error 2

********************************************************************





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First off, great job with garnome, I love it.

Minor problem when trying to build gnome-fifth-toe, I get the following
error:

[===== NOW BUILDING:    quick-lounge-applet-0.87        =====]
        [fetch] complete for quick-lounge-applet.
 ==> Running checksum on quick-lounge-applet-0.87.tar.gz
2ac27e900fb072759ac284d5bd3a1855  download/quick-lounge-applet-0.87.tar.gz
download/quick-lounge-applet-0.87.tar.gz: FAILED
*** GAR GAR GAR!  quick-lounge-applet-0.87.tar.gz failed checksum test!  GAR GAR GAR! ***


This is 0.15.0, but I think it also happened on the previous release
too.

Any ideas?

thanks,

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> First off, great job with garnome, I love it.

Rock! Honoured. :-)

> [===== NOW BUILDING:    quick-lounge-applet-0.87        =====]
>         [fetch] complete for quick-lounge-applet.
>  ==> Running checksum on quick-lounge-applet-0.87.tar.gz
> 2ac27e900fb072759ac284d5bd3a1855  download/quick-lounge-applet-0.87.tar.gz
> download/quick-lounge-applet-0.87.tar.gz: FAILED
> *** GAR GAR GAR!  quick-lounge-applet-0.87.tar.gz failed checksum test!  GAR GAR GAR! ***
> 
> 
> This is 0.15.0, but I think it also happened on the previous release
> too.
> 
> Any ideas?

Yeah, seems the upstream source tarball changed... In the hope that it
hasn't been trojanned (I haven't diffed the tarballs yet), do this to build
it in the mean time:

  cd gnome/quick-lounge-applet
  make makesum

Then you're on your way again.

- Jeff

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On Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 09:40:52AM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> Yeah, seems the upstream source tarball changed... In the hope that it
> hasn't been trojanned (I haven't diffed the tarballs yet), do this to build
> it in the mean time:
> 
>   cd gnome/quick-lounge-applet
>   make makesum

Ah, thanks that works.

But hm, why would the upstream tarballs change?  Any pointer to an old
one that I can diff against to verify nothing "bad" is in it?

thanks again,

gregk -h

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Hi Clenio,

You should read the README file to make sure that you have all the required
packages before you build garnome.  In particular, the package you're
missing is "gettext".  Check with your distribution vendor for the exact
name of the package.

On 11 Sep 2002 20:27:00 -0300
Clenio Fonseca  wrote:

> Getting following error when using GARNOME 0.15.0 on REDHAT 7.3 during 
> GNOME 2 compilation.
> Any hints???
> 
> ********************************************************************
> yelp-window.c: In function `window_populate':
> yelp-window.c:265: `gettext' undeclared (first use in this function)
> yelp-window.c:265: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
> yelp-window.c:265: for each function it appears in.)
> make[4]: *** [yelp-window.o] Error 1
> make[4]: Leaving directory
> `/tmp/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/yelp/work/yelp-1.0.6/src'
> make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
> make[3]: Leaving directory
> `/tmp/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/yelp/work/yelp-1.0.6'
> make[2]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
> make[2]: Leaving directory
> `/tmp/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/yelp/work/yelp-1.0.6'
> make[1]: *** [build-work/yelp-1.0.6/Makefile] Error 2
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> But hm, why would the upstream tarballs change?

Dunno, the author is pretty fresh, so he might have thought that adding a
small bugfix to an existing tarball was a good idea... Not sure.

> Any pointer to an old one that I can diff against to verify nothing "bad"
> is in it?

I cp'ed over my copy by mistake -> perhaps the best thing to do is ask the
author.

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hi, I'm pretty sure BUILD_CLEAN is broken in 0.15.0, though I'm not 100%
positive.  At the very least it doesn't work how it used to.  I don't have
a big enough hard drive to build garnome w/o it.  So if you could look
into that I'd appreciate it a lot.

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begin  Sean Proctor  quotation:
> hi, I'm pretty sure BUILD_CLEAN is broken in 0.15.0, though I'm not
> 100% positive.  At the very least it doesn't work how it used to.  I
> don't have a big enough hard drive to build garnome w/o it.  So if
> you could look into that I'd appreciate it a lot.

	Yeah.  Old BUILD_CLEAN was Jeff's, and it was a 0 or 1
setting.  My (upstream) BUILD_CLEAN uses an ifdef, so setting it to
ANYTHING causes it to happen.  Jeff merged mine in just before 0.15.

	What are you seeing?

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Could someone update the README to include use of the new system for the
download cache (file_sites => garchivedir) and "make garchive" please?


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Does anyone else have issues with libtool creating many many many 
duplicate library dependencies ??  I find in some packages (like 
gnome-vfs) that I'll have -L/somepathname -lnsl -lsocket (as examples) 
repeated over and over 30, 50, or 100 times for the same link.  Of 
course, many other times, they're only repeated 10 times or less.

It's so bad in some packages that I'll literally get so many repetitions 
of "-lnsl -lsocket" that the line length is exceeded and the script 
malfunctions as a result because the link line is not completed.  I 
finally had to start copying the libtool from gtk+-2.0.6 over into some 
packages, and even then had to hack it up so that it wouldn't loop 
endlessly.

Comments?

Larry
(Solaris 2.8, gcc-3.2, most common GNU packages installed)


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For that matter, and perhaps libtool's not the culprit on this, in many 
if not most packages I see my CFLAGS being repeated 3, 4, 10 times in a 
row during compilation of each file.  I can appreciate wearing a belt 
and suspenders, but can't understand the ad nauseam repetition.  

Again, is this something everyone else is seeing, or is it perhaps just 
related to my non-Linux system?  I find that hard to believe, given how 
generic GNU make and libtool are meant to be.

Larry McQueary wrote:

> Does anyone else have issues with libtool creating many many many 
> duplicate library dependencies ??  I find in some packages (like 
> gnome-vfs) that I'll have -L/somepathname -lnsl -lsocket (as examples) 
> repeated over and over 30, 50, or 100 times for the same link.  Of 
> course, many other times, they're only repeated 10 times or less.
>
> It's so bad in some packages that I'll literally get so many 
> repetitions of "-lnsl -lsocket" that the line length is exceeded and 
> the script malfunctions as a result because the link line is not 
> completed.  I finally had to start copying the libtool from gtk+-2.0.6 
> over into some packages, and even then had to hack it up so that it 
> wouldn't loop endlessly.
>
> Comments?
>
> Larry
> (Solaris 2.8, gcc-3.2, most common GNU packages installed)
>


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Example:

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-I/home/larry/garnome/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include/orbit-2.0 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include/libxml2 
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-I/home/larry/garnome/include/libbonobo-2.0 
-DSERVERDIR=\"/home/larry/garnome/libexec\" 
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-L/usr/local/X11R6/lib -I/usr/local/openssl/include -O2 -pipe -g 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include -I/usr/local/X11R6/include 
-L/home/larry/garnome/lib -L/usr/local/X11R6/lib 
-I/usr/local/openssl/include -O2 -pipe -g -I/home/larry/garnome/include 
-I/usr/local/X11R6/include -L/home/larry/garnome/lib 
-L/usr/local/X11R6/lib -I/usr/local/openssl/include -O2 -pipe -g 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include -I/usr/local/X11R6/include 
-L/home/larry/garnome/lib -L/usr/local/X11R6/lib 
-I/usr/local/openssl/include -O2 -pipe -g -I/home/larry/garnome/include 
-I/usr/local/X11R6/include -L/home/larry/garnome/lib 
-L/usr/local/X11R6/lib -I/usr/local/openssl/include -O2 -pipe -c 
help-method.c  -fPIC -DPIC -o help-method.lo
/usr/local/bin/bash ../../libtool --mode=link gcc  
-I/home/larry/garnome/include -I/usr/local/X11R6/include 
-L/home/larry/garnome/lib -L/usr/local/X11R6/lib 
-I/usr/local/openssl/include -O2 -pipe -g -I/home/larry/garnome/include 
-I/usr/local/X11R6/include -L/home/larry/garnome/lib 
-L/usr/local/X11R6/lib -I/usr/local/openssl/include -O2 -pipe -g 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include -I/usr/local/X11R6/include 
-L/home/larry/garnome/lib -L/usr/local/X11R6/lib 
-I/usr/local/openssl/include -O2 -pipe -g -I/home/larry/garnome/include 
-I/usr/local/X11R6/include -L/home/larry/garnome/lib 
-L/usr/local/X11R6/lib -I/usr/local/openssl/include -O2 -pipe -g 
-I/home/larry/garnome/include -I/usr/local/X11R6/include 
-L/home/larry/garnome/lib -L/usr/local/X11R6/lib 
-I/usr/local/openssl/include -O2 -pipe -L/home/larry/garnome/lib 
-L/usr/local/X11R6/lib -L/usr/local/openssl/lib 
-L/home/larry/garnome/lib -L/usr/local/X11R6/lib 
-L/usr/local/openssl/lib -L/home/larry/garnome/lib 
-L/usr/local/X11R6/lib -L/usr/local/openssl/lib 
-L/home/larry/garnome/lib -L/usr/local/X11R6/lib 
-L/usr/local/openssl/lib -L/home/larry/garnome/lib 
-L/usr/local/X11R6/lib -L/usr/local/openssl/lib -o libvfs-help.la -rpath 
/home/larry/garnome/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/modules -export_dynamic 
-avoid-version help-method.lo -L/home/larry/garnome/lib -lgnomevfs-2 
-lbonobo-2 -lbonobo-activation -lORBit-2 -lxml2 -lz -lm -lsocket -lnsl 
-llinc -lgmodule-2.0 -ldl -lgobject-2.0 -lgthread-2.0 -lthread 
-lglib-2.0 -lintl -liconv   -lpopt  -liconv


ARGH!!!

Larry

Larry McQueary wrote:

> For that matter, and perhaps libtool's not the culprit on this, in 
> many if not most packages I see my CFLAGS being repeated 3, 4, 10 
> times in a row during compilation of each file.  I can appreciate 
> wearing a belt and suspenders, but can't understand the ad nauseam 
> repetition. 
> Again, is this something everyone else is seeing, or is it perhaps 
> just related to my non-Linux system?  I find that hard to believe, 
> given how generic GNU make and libtool are meant to be.
>
> Larry McQueary wrote:
>
>> Does anyone else have issues with libtool creating many many many 
>> duplicate library dependencies ??  I find in some packages (like 
>> gnome-vfs) that I'll have -L/somepathname -lnsl -lsocket (as 
>> examples) repeated over and over 30, 50, or 100 times for the same 
>> link.  Of course, many other times, they're only repeated 10 times or 
>> less.
>>
>> It's so bad in some packages that I'll literally get so many 
>> repetitions of "-lnsl -lsocket" that the line length is exceeded and 
>> the script malfunctions as a result because the link line is not 
>> completed.  I finally had to start copying the libtool from 
>> gtk+-2.0.6 over into some packages, and even then had to hack it up 
>> so that it wouldn't loop endlessly.
>>
>> Comments?
>>
>> Larry
>> (Solaris 2.8, gcc-3.2, most common GNU packages installed)
>>
>
>


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Wondering if I need to be root to do make install for gimp-print. I know 
most of the other packages can be installed as a user, since they get 
installed in $HOME/garnome. If I install gimp-print as root will it mess 
up my cups installation?

I get the following errors:

make[6]: Entering directory 
`/home/gnome2/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/gimp-print/work/gimp-print-4.2.2-rc2/src/cups'
make[7]: Entering directory 
`/home/gnome2/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/gimp-print/work/gimp-print-4.2.2-rc2/src/cups'
/bin/sh ../../scripts/mkinstalldirs /home/gnome2/garnome/bin
 /bin/sh ../../libtool  --mode=install /usr/bin/install -c  
cups-calibrate /home/gnome2/garnome/bin/cups-calibrate
/usr/bin/install -c cups-calibrate /home/gnome2/garnome/bin/cups-calibrate
/bin/sh ../../scripts/mkinstalldirs /usr/lib/cups/backend
 /bin/sh ../../libtool  --mode=install /usr/bin/install -c  epson 
/usr/lib/cups/backend/epson
/usr/bin/install -c epson /usr/lib/cups/backend/epson
/usr/bin/install: cannot remove `/usr/lib/cups/backend/epson': 
Permission denied /bin/sh ../../libtool  --mode=install /usr/bin/install 
-c  canon /usr/lib/cups/backend/canon
/usr/bin/install -c canon /usr/lib/cups/backend/canon
/usr/bin/install: cannot remove `/usr/lib/cups/backend/canon': 
Permission deniedmake[7]: *** [install-cupsexec_backendPROGRAMS] Error 1
make[7]: Leaving directory 
`/home/gnome2/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/gimp-print/work/gimp-print-4.2.2-rc2/src/cups'
make[6]: *** [install-am] Error 2
make[6]: Leaving directory 
`/home/gnome2/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/gimp-print/work/gimp-print-4.2.2-rc2/src/cups'
make[5]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
make[5]: Leaving directory 
`/home/gnome2/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/gimp-print/work/gimp-print-4.2.2-rc2/src'



regards,
syd.


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I'm seeing GARNOME take up *a lot* of space.  I could try to build it
again...  The old one deleted the work directory after it finished
building each package, the new one doesn't do this.

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On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Nick Moffitt wrote:

> begin  Sean Proctor  quotation:
> > hi, I'm pretty sure BUILD_CLEAN is broken in 0.15.0, though I'm not
> > 100% positive.  At the very least it doesn't work how it used to.  I
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> 	Yeah.  Old BUILD_CLEAN was Jeff's, and it was a 0 or 1
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> 	What are you seeing?
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begin  Sean Proctor  quotation:
> I'm seeing GARNOME take up *a lot* of space.  I could try to build it
> again...  The old one deleted the work directory after it finished
> building each package, the new one doesn't do this.

What did you do with your BUILD_CLEAN variable?

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> Wondering if I need to be root to do make install for gimp-print. I know 
> most of the other packages can be installed as a user, since they get 
> installed in $HOME/garnome. If I install gimp-print as root will it mess 
> up my cups installation?

Don't bother, it's just being poopie - I meant to disable it in the 0.15.0
garball, but it uses non-standard configure flags, and I chose the wrong
one.

Basically, s/--disable-cups/--without-cups/ in the gimp-print Makefile, then
rebuild (make clean ; make install).

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> For that matter, and perhaps libtool's not the culprit on this, in many 
> if not most packages I see my CFLAGS being repeated 3, 4, 10 times in a 
> row during compilation of each file.  I can appreciate wearing a belt 
> and suspenders, but can't understand the ad nauseam repetition.  
> 
> Again, is this something everyone else is seeing, or is it perhaps just 
> related to my non-Linux system?  I find that hard to believe, given how 
> generic GNU make and libtool are meant to be.

Okay, the CFLAGS issue I believe is mine, however the libtool issue is
simply long standing hideousness. ;-) Happens on every platform.

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> Could someone update the README to include use of the new system for the
> download cache (file_sites => garchivedir) and "make garchive" please?

I'd like to do a big documentation update some time, but I'm pretty flat out
doing other things. If you would like to spend the time adding / modifying
the documentation (please modify index.html from the website, rather than
the README file itself), I would appreciate it enormously.

Thanks,

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Am Thu, 12 Sep 2002 20:37:38 +1000
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> Okay, the CFLAGS issue I believe is mine, however the libtool issue is
> simply long standing hideousness. ;-) Happens on every platform.

Hi

IIRC there is a patch for that in the RedHat RPM for libtool.

> - Jeff

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I uncommented the line that said to be uncommented, so BUILD_CLEAN = true

Sean

On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Nick Moffitt wrote:

> begin  Sean Proctor  quotation:
> > I'm seeing GARNOME take up *a lot* of space.  I could try to build it
> > again...  The old one deleted the work directory after it finished
> > building each package, the new one doesn't do this.
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> What did you do with your BUILD_CLEAN variable?
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Hi folks,

I just built garnome 0.15 on one of my machines and I noticed that the menu
is a lot shorter than it used to be :->  The desktop's "Applications" menu
doesn't seem to have any apps in it, no games, no internet apps, etc. even-
though the apps are physically present (have been compiled correctly).

Is this a known issue or am I doing something wrong?  0.14.1 was just fine.

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Hi all: I installed garnome 0.15.0 last night. I am still having problems
with gnome-panel. I lost my bottom panel 2 or 3 garnomes ago and have
been trying to replace it ever since. I was able to add a panel this
time but it is only 2 inches wide! And I can not get it any wider? I
still think the work place switcher also has a bug in it. It will not
let me have my 8 work places I like to have. And help still crashes on
me also?

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> Hi all: I installed garnome 0.15.0 last night. I am still having problems
> with gnome-panel. I lost my bottom panel 2 or 3 garnomes ago and have been
> trying to replace it ever since. I was able to add a panel this time but
> it is only 2 inches wide! And I can not get it any wider?

Right click on the panel, choose 'New Panel'. Each submenu there creates a
different kind of panel. Sounds like you want an edge panel.

> I still think the work place switcher also has a bug in it. It will not
> let me have my 8 work places I like to have.

How are you setting up your workspaces?

> And help still crashes on me also?

If it crashes, and you've built with debugging compiled in (as per default),
make sure you submit backtraces to bugzilla via bug-buddy (the crash dialog
will ask you to).

- Jeff

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Anyway,=20

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> I've managed to get X to attemp to use gnome2.  Here is the problem I get
> immedietly at login:
> 
> Please contact your system administrator to resolve the following problem:
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> "/home/mark/garnome/etc/gconf/2/path": Failed: Could not make directory
> `/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory': No such file or directory

Remove these from your garnome/etc/gconf/2/path file.

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  When using make install, I get the following error in pkgconfig :

make[5]: Entering directory `/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/glib'
[=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D NOW BUILDING:    glib-2.0.6      =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D]
         [fetch] complete for glib.
         [checksum] complete for glib.
         [extract] complete for glib.
         [patch] complete for glib.
  =3D=3D> Building gnome/pkgconfig as a dependency
make[6]: Entering directory =
`/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/pkgconfig'
[=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D NOW BUILDING:    pkgconfig-0.12.0        =
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D]
         [fetch] complete for pkgconfig.
         [checksum] complete for pkgconfig.
         [extract] complete for pkgconfig.
         [patch] complete for pkgconfig.
  =3D=3D> Running configure in work/pkgconfig-0.12.0
configure: warning: /bin: invalid host type
configure: warning: /sbin: invalid host type
configure: error: can only configure for one host and one target at a =
time
make[6]: *** [configure-work/pkgconfig-0.12.0/configure] Error 1
make[6]: Leaving directory =
`/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/pkgconfig'
make[5]: *** [dep-../../gnome/pkgconfig] Error 2
make[5]: Leaving directory `/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/glib'
make[4]: *** [dep-../../gnome/glib] Error 2
make[4]: Leaving directory `/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/atk'
make[3]: *** [dep-../../gnome/atk] Error 2
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/gtk+'
make[2]: *** [dep-../../gnome/gtk+] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory=20
`/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/misc/redhat-artwork'
make[1]: *** [install] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/misc'
make: *** [install] Error 2
[root@l-at6122 garnome-0.15.0]#

  Help !

	Fabrice
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`/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/glib'


[=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D NOW BUILDING:    =
glib-2.0.6      =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D]


         =
[fetch] complete for glib.


         =
[checksum] complete for glib.


         =
[extract] complete for glib.


         =
[patch] complete for glib.


  =3D=3D> Building gnome/pkgconfig as a =
dependency


make[6]: Entering directory =
`/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/pkgconfig'


[=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D NOW BUILDING:    =
pkgconfig-0.12.0        =
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D]


         =
[fetch] complete for pkgconfig.


         =
[checksum] complete for pkgconfig.


         =
[extract] complete for pkgconfig.


         =
[patch] complete for pkgconfig.


  =3D=3D> Running configure in =
work/pkgconfig-0.12.0


configure: warning: /bin: invalid host type


configure: warning: /sbin: invalid host type


configure: error: can only configure for one host and =
one target at a time


make[6]: *** =
[configure-work/pkgconfig-0.12.0/configure] Error 1


make[6]: Leaving directory =
`/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/pkgconfig'


make[5]: *** [dep-../../gnome/pkgconfig] Error =
2


make[5]: Leaving directory =
`/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/glib'


make[4]: *** [dep-../../gnome/glib] Error 2


make[4]: Leaving directory =
`/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/atk'


make[3]: *** [dep-../../gnome/atk] Error 2


make[3]: Leaving directory =
`/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/gtk+'


make[2]: *** [dep-../../gnome/gtk+] Error 2


make[2]: Leaving directory 


`/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/misc/redhat-artwork'


make[1]: *** [install] Error 2


make[1]: Leaving directory =
`/home/desrefa/garnome-0.15.0/misc'


make: *** [install] Error 2


[root@l-at6122 garnome-0.15.0]#




  Help !




        Fabrice


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Hi

While building 0.15, I noticed that it was building freetype 2.1.2 even
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Garnome previx is /opt/gnome2). Is it possible to make Garnome use the
system freetype if available ?

Thanks in advance.

Rgds,
Biswa.




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From: Sean Proctor 
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while on the topic of panels... how come the panel that starts at the top
of gnome2 by default can't have its properties changed?  and if I delete
it, it's pretty impossible to recreate.

Sean


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> while on the topic of panels... how come the panel that starts at the top
> of gnome2 by default can't have its properties changed?

That's the menu panel - it has no properties.

> and if I delete it, it's pretty impossible to recreate.

If you delete it, you must have another panel running (or you're no longer
running gnome-panel at all, because you can't delete the last panel within
the user interface). Right click on the panel > New Panel > Menu Panel.

Done.

- Jeff

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Hi Vichaya

Thanks for your help.I checked with Redhat but couldn't find the
required package to run Garnome on Redhat 7.3.

Do you know where I can find them??

Regards

Clenio


On Wed, 2002-09-11 at 21:07, Vichaya Sidhipong wrote:
> Hi Clenio,
>=20
> You should read the README file to make sure that you have all the requir=
ed
> packages before you build garnome.  In particular, the package you're
> missing is "gettext".  Check with your distribution vendor for the exact
> name of the package.
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> On 11 Sep 2002 20:27:00 -0300
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> > Getting following error when using GARNOME 0.15.0 on REDHAT 7.3 during=20
> > GNOME 2 compilation.
> > Any hints???
> >=20
> > ********************************************************************
> > yelp-window.c: In function `window_populate':
> > yelp-window.c:265: `gettext' undeclared (first use in this function)
> > yelp-window.c:265: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
> > yelp-window.c:265: for each function it appears in.)
> > make[4]: *** [yelp-window.o] Error 1
> > make[4]: Leaving directory
> > `/tmp/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/yelp/work/yelp-1.0.6/src'
> > make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
> > make[3]: Leaving directory
> > `/tmp/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/yelp/work/yelp-1.0.6'
> > make[2]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
> > make[2]: Leaving directory
> > `/tmp/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/yelp/work/yelp-1.0.6'
> > make[1]: *** [build-work/yelp-1.0.6/Makefile] Error 2
> > make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/garnome-0.15.0/gnome/yelp'
> > make: *** [dep-../../gnome/yelp] Error 2
> >=20
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> Thanks for your help.I checked with Redhat but couldn't find the
> required package to run Garnome on Redhat 7.3.
> 
> Do you know where I can find them??

The GNOME 2.0 Desktop release notes:

  http://www.gnome.org/start/2.0/

- Jeff

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Been wondering whats up with this domain for a while now. I'm pretty 
sure it's been down for over a month at least. Can't seem to find 
gtk-cleanice anywhere else either.......If anyone has the cleanice 
package, I'll post it up! Not a big deal, just wanted to see if anyone 
knew the scoop.

Jeff - I noticed gnomeicu slipped in recently, are you just tossing in 
packages that work good, or do you have some criteria they have to meet? 
Balsa, gFTP, Gnomemeeting are some apps that come to mind that would be 
great addition to the mix.


Ryan Quarry


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> Been wondering whats up with this domain for a while now. I'm pretty sure
> it's been down for over a month at least. Can't seem to find gtk-cleanice
> anywhere else either.......If anyone has the cleanice package, I'll post
> it up! Not a big deal, just wanted to see if anyone knew the scoop.

Oh. See, I use a GARCHIVE, which means I sometimes don't find out about
download issues... I'll have to ask dobey what he's doing with cleanice.

> Jeff - I noticed gnomeicu slipped in recently, are you just tossing in
> packages that work good, or do you have some criteria they have to meet?
> Balsa, gFTP, Gnomemeeting are some apps that come to mind that would be
> great addition to the mix.

Balsa hasn't been added yet because the current tarball release doesn't
build / work reliably enough for me to put it in yet (libesmtp is in the
misc directory however, so it's ready to go when Balsa is), gFTP isn't in
because I hadn't thought of it yet, thanks for the suggestion! :)
GnomeMeeting isn't in yet because it has annoyingly hard to build
dependencies, and because they're 'weird', I'd like to distribute them with
GARNOME to make life easy for everyone.

- Jeff

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I plan on uninstalling both Ximian Gnome 1.4 and garnome, I'll then use =
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Hello Garnome,
I've just installed Garnome/Gnome2. I did this as root and it has install=
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"file/root/garnome". I'm wondering if this is correct or will gnome2 only=
 run=20
as root?
If it's wrong can it be fixed? anndd.......
If it's correct - how do I get it working on my Mandrake 8.2 system?
Many Thanks
Richard

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Due to the permissions of /root/, only root will be able to run gnome2,
it's probably a better idea to build it as another user.

Alex

On Sat, 2002-09-14 at 20:24, Richard Bond wrote:
> Hello Garnome,
> I've just installed Garnome/Gnome2. I did this as root and it has installed to 
> "file/root/garnome". I'm wondering if this is correct or will gnome2 only run 
> as root?
> If it's wrong can it be fixed? anndd.......
> If it's correct - how do I get it working on my Mandrake 8.2 system?
> Many Thanks
> Richard
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you can chmod o+rx /root, that should solve your problems... you basically
just need to make sure everyone has read access to the files (as far as I
know).

if you want GNOME2 to be available to all users and you don't want it in
/root, you're probably better off putting in in /opt/garnome or
/usr/local/garnome rather than just a different user's home directory.

Sean

On 14 Sep 2002, Alex Duggan wrote:

> Due to the permissions of /root/, only root will be able to run gnome2,
> it's probably a better idea to build it as another user.
>
> Alex
>
> On Sat, 2002-09-14 at 20:24, Richard Bond wrote:
> > Hello Garnome,
> > I've just installed Garnome/Gnome2. I did this as root and it has installed to
> > "file/root/garnome". I'm wondering if this is correct or will gnome2 only run
> > as root?
> > If it's wrong can it be fixed? anndd.......
> > If it's correct - how do I get it working on my Mandrake 8.2 system?
> > Many Thanks
> > Richard
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> My question is how do I uninstall the Ximian version of Gnome.

Remove the packages, not really on-topic for this list.

> I'm guessing all that is required to remove garnome is to delete
> $HOME/garnome?

Yes.

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GARNOME 0.16.0: "Hot Morning Furnace"
=====================================

GARNOME - the bad-ass, bleeding edge GNOME distribution for testers and
tweakers everywhere. If you're dying to test the latest GNOME 2.0 Desktop
releases, but don't want to fall into the depraved addictions and
co-dependencies of testing from anonymous CVS, then GARNOME is for you.

[ In other words, GARNOME is a build system for GNOME 2.x which includes the
developer platform and desktop releases, as well as a host of other software
ported to the GNOME 2.x platform. Everything is as easy to build as 'make
install'. We call it a 'distribution' because it's sanity-tested and often
patched before release, for your convenience and enjoyment. ;-) ]


What's New?
-----------

  * Updated to GNOME 2.0.2.
  
  * Added: koffice - the KDE office suite, mergeant - what used to be
    gnome-db.
  
  * Fixed: Mess in category files.
  
  * Fixed: gimp-print's CUPS stuff was attempting to install out of prefix.
    Fixed the hard way.
  
  * Fixed: quick-lounge-applets uncommented. ;-)
  
  * Fixed: Disabled -Werror -Wall on rhythmbox and gst-plugins, thanks to
    ajmitch.
 

Where Do I Get It?
------------------

The tarball and documentation [1] are available on the GARNOME website:

  http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/garnome/


Enjoy G2D and GARNOME. :-)

- Jeff

[1] People who don't read the documentation tend to look pretty silly on
garnome-list and in #garnome.

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Hi,

I ran:

# apt-get install gnome2 -t experimental

And got:

Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.

Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
that package should be filed.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies:
  gnome2: Depends: gnome-control-center2 but it is not going to be
  installed
          Depends: gnome-applets2 but it is not going to be installed
          Depends: gnome-panel2 but it is not going to be
	          installed
          Depends: nautilus2 but it is not going
		  to be installed

E: Sorry, broken packages

Anything I can do to get over this?

TIA.


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My experience is the same - for instance bonobo-config:
dunadan:/home/kerka# apt-cache show bonobo-config
Package: bonobo-config
Priority: optional
Section: devel
Installed-Size: 284
Maintainer: Takuo KITAME 
Architecture: i386
Version: 0.106.0-6
Depends: libbonobo-activation4 (>= 0.9.5), libbonobo-config0 (>=
0.106.0), libbonobo2-0 (>= 1.112.0), libc6 (>= 2.2.4-4), libglib1.3-15
(>= 1.3.15), liblinc1 (>= 0.1.18), liborbit2 (>= 2.3.105), libpopt0 (>=
1.6.2-1), libxml2 (>= 2.4.0-1), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.3)
Filename: pool/main/b/bonobo-config/bonobo-config_0.106.0-6_i386.deb
Size: 33276
MD5sum: 241413e41cf148d8ee6a17a5bd2f4fcc
Description: The Bonobo Configuration System for GNOME2
 The Bonobo Configuration System (BCS) consists of several parts. An API
to
 access configuration data, a database to store configuration values in
XML
 format and a system to visualise and edit configuration data.
 The whole system is built on top of bonobo and ORBit (CORBA)

dunadan:/home/kerka# apt-get -u -t experimental install bonobo-config
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.

Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
that package should be filed.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies:
  bonobo-config: Depends: libglib1.3-15 (>= 1.3.15) but it is not
installable
E: Sorry, broken packages

My two questions:
1. where can I find missing packages?
2. is anywhere list of all needed packages?

I have gnome-control-center2 installed:
dunadan:/home/kerka# dpkg -l gnome-control-center*
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
|
Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err:
uppercase=bad)
||/ Name           Version        Description
+++-==============-==============-============================================
pn  gnome-control-          (no description available)
un  gnome-control-          (no description available)
ii  gnome-control- 2.0.1.1-1      The GNOME Control Center for GNOME 2
.
BUT when I run gnome 2 I can't find it in menu, but i can run it from
terminal. I must have something missing ...
Thanks for zour help, folks ...
Vlada


On Sun, 2002-09-15 at 20:13, the jackol wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I ran:
> 
> # apt-get install gnome2 -t experimental
> 
> And got:
> 
> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
> or been moved out of Incoming.
> 
> Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
> the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
> that package should be filed.
> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
> 
> Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies:
>   gnome2: Depends: gnome-control-center2 but it is not going to be
>   installed
>           Depends: gnome-applets2 but it is not going to be installed
>           Depends: gnome-panel2 but it is not going to be
> 	          installed
>           Depends: nautilus2 but it is not going
> 		  to be installed
> 
> E: Sorry, broken packages
> 
> Anything I can do to get over this?
> 
> TIA.
> 
> 
> -- 
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> but that's because it's the best book on anything for the layman.
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> I ran:
> 
> # apt-get install gnome2 -t experimental
> 
> And got:

Dude. This is garnome-list@gnome.org. Not debian-gtk-gnome@lists.debian.org.

Kapish?

Thanks,

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It's nice of you that you tried so hard to help and not to give
"emperor's advices" ...
Vlada
On Sun, 2002-09-15 at 21:04, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> 
> > I ran:
> > 
> > # apt-get install gnome2 -t experimental
> > 
> > And got:
> 
> Dude. This is garnome-list@gnome.org. Not debian-gtk-gnome@lists.debian.org.
> 
> Kapish?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> - Jeff
> 
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> It's nice of you that you tried so hard to help and not to give
> "emperor's advices" ...

It's off topic for this list. I happen to use Debian myself, but most
GARNOME users don't, so they're not interested in questions that are
completely unrelated to it.

Thanks,

- Jeff

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From what I understand, Jeff did try to help.  He pointed to a list that
has some relevence to the problem this person was having.  I'm sure people
at that list could help much more than anyone here.  I've found most of
Jeff's criticisms of people rather witty and not particularly harsh.
Anyway, keep up the great work!

Sean

PS was BUILD_CLEAN fixed in 0.16.0?  Has anyone witnessed it being broken
since the merge with upstream GAR?

On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, Jeff Waugh wrote:

> 
>
> > It's nice of you that you tried so hard to help and not to give
> > "emperor's advices" ...
>
> It's off topic for this list. I happen to use Debian myself, but most
> GARNOME users don't, so they're not interested in questions that are
> completely unrelated to it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> - Jeff
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Hi. I currently have garnome 0.14.1 installed. I want to install garnome
0.16.1. I'm wondering if there is a way to make it just download and
compile the things that have changed, rather than the whole thing again. I
have a P166 so you can imagine how long it would take!

Thanks.

- Jason


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Dear Jeff,

Thanks for this new release.

It compiled in about 3 hours on a Athlon 1200 with 768MB of memory, I'll 
try to send you some detailed information on the next compile.

I'm using the athlon optimizations for GCC 3.2. After compilation I've 
got 407MB of software. It might be time to update the webpage slightly 
as we are now 180MB above the 225MB advertised there. I'm still enjoying 
this great gnome development even after the 10th recompile sinceI've 
started using garnome just to keep up with the various releases and 
improvements you've made to this package :-)

Thanks and keep e'm coming

Stef

Jeff Waugh wrote:

>GARNOME 0.16.0: "Hot Morning Furnace"
>=====================================
>
>GARNOME - the bad-ass, bleeding edge GNOME distribution for testers and
>tweakers everywhere. If you're dying to test the latest GNOME 2.0 Desktop
>releases, but don't want to fall into the depraved addictions and
>co-dependencies of testing from anonymous CVS, then GARNOME is for you.
>
>[ In other words, GARNOME is a build system for GNOME 2.x which includes the
>developer platform and desktop releases, as well as a host of other software
>ported to the GNOME 2.x platform. Everything is as easy to build as 'make
>install'. We call it a 'distribution' because it's sanity-tested and often
>patched before release, for your convenience and enjoyment. ;-) ]
>
>
>What's New?
>-----------
>
>  * Updated to GNOME 2.0.2.
>  
>  * Added: koffice - the KDE office suite, mergeant - what used to be
>    gnome-db.
>  
>  * Fixed: Mess in category files.
>  
>  * Fixed: gimp-print's CUPS stuff was attempting to install out of prefix.
>    Fixed the hard way.
>  
>  * Fixed: quick-lounge-applets uncommented. ;-)
>  
>  * Fixed: Disabled -Werror -Wall on rhythmbox and gst-plugins, thanks to
>    ajmitch.
> 
>
>Where Do I Get It?
>------------------
>
>The tarball and documentation [1] are available on the GARNOME website:
>
>  http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/garnome/
>
>
>Enjoy G2D and GARNOME. :-)
>
>- Jeff
>
>[1] People who don't read the documentation tend to look pretty silly on
>garnome-list and in #garnome.
>
>  
>




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While compiling the fifth-toe applicatons, the cups stuff tried to remove some
files in /usr/lib/cups which obviously failed.

I'm using RH7.3 on an Athlon, and I haven't installed since the 0.13.1 days (I
feel so far behind!).  Anyway, to get past it, I had to su to root, do the
install, and then cancel when the next one started.  At which point I was able
to finish the "make install" in the fifth-toe directory.

Here's the stuff it whined about:

Making install in cups
make[6]: Entering directory
`/usr/local/src/garnome-0.16.1/gnome/gimp-print/work/gimp-print-4.2.2-rc2/src/cups'
make[7]: Entering directory
`/usr/local/src/garnome-0.16.1/gnome/gimp-print/work/gimp-print-4.2.2-rc2/src/cups'
/bin/sh ../../scripts/mkinstalldirs /home/yorgasor/garnome/bin
 /bin/sh ../../libtool  --mode=install /usr/bin/install -c  cups-calibrate
/home/yorgasor/garnome/bin/cups-calibrate
/usr/bin/install -c cups-calibrate /home/yorgasor/garnome/bin/cups-calibrate
/bin/sh ../../scripts/mkinstalldirs /usr/lib/cups/backend
 /bin/sh ../../libtool  --mode=install /usr/bin/install -c  epson
/usr/lib/cups/backend/epson
/usr/bin/install -c epson /usr/lib/cups/backend/epson
/usr/bin/install: cannot remove `/usr/lib/cups/backend/epson': Permission
denied
 /bin/sh ../../libtool  --mode=install /usr/bin/install -c  canon
/usr/lib/cups/backend/canon
/usr/bin/install -c canon /usr/lib/cups/backend/canon
/usr/bin/install: cannot remove `/usr/lib/cups/backend/canon': Permission
denied
make[7]: *** [install-cupsexec_backendPROGRAMS] Error 1
make[7]: Leaving directory
`/usr/local/src/garnome-0.16.1/gnome/gimp-print/work/gimp-print-4.2.2-rc2/src/cups'
make[6]: *** [install-am] Error 2
make[6]: Leaving directory
`/usr/local/src/garnome-0.16.1/gnome/gimp-print/work/gimp-print-4.2.2-rc2/src/cups'
make[5]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
make[5]: Leaving directory
`/usr/local/src/garnome-0.16.1/gnome/gimp-print/work/gimp-print-4.2.2-rc2/src'
make[4]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
make[4]: Leaving directory
`/usr/local/src/garnome-0.16.1/gnome/gimp-print/work/gimp-print-4.2.2-rc2'
make[3]: *** [install-work/gimp-print-4.2.2-rc2/Makefile] Error 2
make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/garnome-0.16.1/gnome/gimp-print'
make[2]: *** [dep-../../gnome/gimp-print] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/garnome-0.16.1/gnome/gimp'
make[1]: *** [dep-../../gnome/gimp] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/garnome-0.16.1/gnome/gimp-freetype'
make: *** [dep-../../gnome/gimp-freetype] Error 2


/*============================================================================
 * Ron Yorgason, DORK
 * Doctor Of Random Knowledge
 * yorgasor@cs.pdx.edu		yorgasor@yorgalily.org
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> From what I understand, Jeff did try to help.  He pointed to a list that
> has some relevence to the problem this person was having.  I'm sure people
> at that list could help much more than anyone here.  I've found most of
> Jeff's criticisms of people rather witty and not particularly harsh.

Heh, yes, they're generally meant to be taken lightly. Except for the LFS
jokes. They're usually deadly serious, like a clown holding a nuclear
physicist to your head.

> PS was BUILD_CLEAN fixed in 0.16.0?  Has anyone witnessed it being broken
> since the merge with upstream GAR?

Setting it to anything should make it work...

- Jeff

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> While compiling the fifth-toe applicatons, the cups stuff tried to remove some
> files in /usr/lib/cups which obviously failed.

It's trying to install stuff, rather than remove stuff. This is very
annoying, I was sure I'd fixed this for this release... Will try to work it
out with the gimp-print dudes some time.

Thanks,

- Jeff

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> Hi. I currently have garnome 0.14.1 installed. I want to install garnome
> 0.16.1. I'm wondering if there is a way to make it just download and
> compile the things that have changed, rather than the whole thing again. I
> have a P166 so you can imagine how long it would take!

Not right now, though you can use a cache of the stuff you've downloaded ->
see the GARCHIVE variable in gar.conf.mk.

I'm going to work on minimal-compile upgrade stuff soon.

- Jeff

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On Mon, 2002-09-16 at 05:04, Jeff Waugh wrote:

> It's trying to install stuff, rather than remove stuff. This is very
> annoying, I was sure I'd fixed this for this release... Will try to work it
> out with the gimp-print dudes some time.

the gimp-print/Makefile for 0.16.1 did not contain the configure switch.
And if I didn't make a stupid mistake, for me only --with-cups=no works,
not --without-cups as was set in 0.15.1



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> On Mon, 2002-09-16 at 05:04, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> > It's trying to install stuff, rather than remove stuff. This is very
> > annoying, I was sure I'd fixed this for this release... Will try to work it
> > out with the gimp-print dudes some time.
> 
> the gimp-print/Makefile for 0.16.1 did not contain the configure switch.
> And if I didn't make a stupid mistake, for me only --with-cups=no works,
> not --without-cups as was set in 0.15.1

Yeeeesh. :-)

Thanks, I'll put that in.

- Jeff

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> Hi. I currently have garnome 0.14.1 installed. I want to install garnome
> 0.16.1. I'm wondering if there is a way to make it just download and
> compile the things that have changed, rather than the whole thing again. =
I
> have a P166 so you can imagine how long it would take!

Since 0.12 I have been updating the tree. So not recompiling each new
version. I just diff-ed over the Makefiles to see what changed.
Than I edited each Makefile by hand and recompiled. So far I have had
little trouble.
I did start recompiling 0.16, to get a clean install-tree. I probably
have a few libraries of different version installed and so on.
Also menu-editing didn't work for me anymore, after the recompile with
0.16 this worked again. And this is probably also because the dynamic
linker used some older version.
But since  all newer releases are ABI/API-compatible, there have been no
stability problems.


Here my one-liner for the diff:

for dir in `ls garnome-0.12.1/gnome/`;do diff -u
garnome-0.12.1/gnome/$dir/Makefile garnome-0.16.0/gnome/$dir/Makefile >>
garnome-new.diff;done


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> Since 0.12 I have been updating the tree. So not recompiling each new
> version. I just diff-ed over the Makefiles to see what changed.  Than I
> edited each Makefile by hand and recompiled. So far I have had little
> trouble.

That's essentially what I'm going to do with the new update system, it will
run diffs, check which files are changed, and keep going.

The only issue is binary files in the tree, which I've tried to minimise. I
think there's only the one bzipped patch at the moment. Everything else is
downloaded. I'm going to unbzip that patch and possibly bzip the main
archive... Hmm.

Anyway, yes, coming soon to a GARNOME near you.

- Jeff

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Hi all,

Something I've been thinking out during the last releases: is it
important to install a new GARNOME release to a new directory? I used to
install one release to the default path and the next one to
~/Software/garnome. Added benefit is of course that you always have a
working version :-).

Now, this is no problem on my home computer, but at university I'm
running low on disk space, and I started installing to the default path
all the time. Is this okay, or should I delete the old release first?

Thanks,

Martijn

PS On the off-topic thread on Debian experimental - I wonder how many
people moved to GARNOME for the very reason that GNOME 2 is a mess in
Debian unstable at the moment ... I know I did!




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> Something I've been thinking out during the last releases: is it important
> to install a new GARNOME release to a new directory? I used to install one
> release to the default path and the next one to ~/Software/garnome. Added
> benefit is of course that you always have a working version :-).
> 
> Now, this is no problem on my home computer, but at university I'm running
> low on disk space, and I started installing to the default path all the
> time. Is this okay, or should I delete the old release first?

Well, I generally do it for testing reasons, but I'd recommend it for
cleanliness reasons too. :-)

> PS On the off-topic thread on Debian experimental - I wonder how many
> people moved to GARNOME for the very reason that GNOME 2 is a mess in
> Debian unstable at the moment ... I know I did!

Yeah, lots of people have mentioned this. I've been helping the Debian
people with their attempts to move to GNOME 2, but it's a bit of a mess.
Mostly just communication and organisation though.

It should be mentioned however, that GARNOME is not here for that reason,
it's designed for GNOME testers first and foremost.

- Jeff

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in 16.1, meta/gnome-office won't build unless you change the Makefile
to look for gnome/mergeant instead of gnome/gnome-db.  Just thought
you should know.

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> in 16.1, meta/gnome-office won't build unless you change the Makefile
> to look for gnome/mergeant instead of gnome/gnome-db.  Just thought
> you should know.

See 0.16.2. :-)

Thanks,

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In Garnome 0.16.2, I have been trying to find how I would pre-fetch the 
packages needed for the compile, without having to run the compile at 
the same time.  I tried the obvious ones (ones I could see in the 
makefiles) of fetch, pre-fetch, etc.  The most that happened was that 
"make fetch" created an empty "download" directory under meta/gnome-desktop.


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Excuse my ignorance if this is a stupid question, but I'm unable to set 
the background picture or change the default colours.  Is Gnome2 
dependant on Nautilus to deal with these options or am I missing 
something?  Thanks in advance!


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> In Garnome 0.16.2, I have been trying to find how I would pre-fetch the
> packages needed for the compile, without having to run the compile at the
> same time.  I tried the obvious ones (ones I could see in the makefiles)
> of fetch, pre-fetch, etc.  The most that happened was that "make fetch"
> created an empty "download" directory under meta/gnome-desktop.

make fetch in meta/gnome-desktop will only make fetch for that garball,
so... You need to make fetch in the root build directory.

However, I strongly recommend that you 'make paranoid-checksum', as this
will stop and tell you if the files are incorrectly downloaded.

- Jeff

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Will it make uninstall older packages, too, so that there aren't any unnecessary
legacy files lying around?

Jeff Waugh had the audacity to claim:

>> Since 0.12 I have been updating the tree. So not recompiling each new
>> version. I just diff-ed over the Makefiles to see what changed.  Than I
>> edited each Makefile by hand and recompiled. So far I have had little
>> trouble.
>
>That's essentially what I'm going to do with the new update system, it will
>run diffs, check which files are changed, and keep going.

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> >That's essentially what I'm going to do with the new update system, it
> >will run diffs, check which files are changed, and keep going.
> 
> Will it make uninstall older packages, too, so that there aren't any
> unnecessary legacy files lying around?

Given that we can *almost* rely on make uninstall working for auto* GNOME
stuff, yes. We can also do it for manifest installs, but we don't have
anything using that feature in GARNOME.

The only issue with make uninstall is that you need the sources present to
do it, which a lot of people don't want to keep lying around.

Testers should, though, so that's fine. :-)

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begin  Jeff Waugh  quotation:
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> present to do it, which a lot of people don't want to keep lying
> around.

	Well, it's possible to generate a temporary dir and store the
filelist from an install.  Try a "make tarball" and look in tmp.  The
stuff in there should be enough to make a list for an uninstall rule.

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> begin  Jeff Waugh  quotation:
> > The only issue with make uninstall is that you need the sources
> > present to do it, which a lot of people don't want to keep lying
> > around.
> 
> 	Well, it's possible to generate a temporary dir and store the
> filelist from an install.  Try a "make tarball" and look in tmp.  The
> stuff in there should be enough to make a list for an uninstall rule.

Yeah, was just looking through GAR and considering doing that... Bit
complicated compared to what I'm doing now, but doable.

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> complicated compared to what I'm doing now, but doable.

You could also just keep the Makefiles around from the source and
little else...

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		Hello,
	Here is the question I send to the balsa mailing list and the 
answer.
	But freetype and pango are both from garnome, no ? and pango is 
built with freetype 2.1.2.
	So, where is the problem ??

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On Mon, 2002-09-16 at 10:22, Olivier Guéry wrote:
>               Hello,
>          Trying to compile balsa 2.0.2 and cvs snapshots, always return 
> me the same error :
> 
> /home/nemo/garnome/lib/libpangoxft-1.0.so: undefined reference to 
> `FT_Stream_GetShort'
> /home/nemo/garnome/lib/libpangoxft-1.0.so: undefined reference to 
> `FT_Stream_ExitFrame'
> /home/nemo/garnome/lib/libpangoxft-1.0.so: undefined reference to 
> `FT_Stream_GetLong'
> /home/nemo/garnome/lib/libpangoxft-1.0.so: undefined reference to 
> `FT_Stream_Seek'
> /home/nemo/garnome/lib/libpangoxft-1.0.so: undefined reference to 
> `FT_Stream_EnterFrame'
> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
> make[2]: *** [balsa] Erreur 1
> make[2]: Quitte le répertoire `/sources/balsa-2.0.2/src'
> make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Erreur 1
> make[1]: Quitte le répertoire `/sources/balsa-2.0.2'
> make: *** [all] Erreur 2
> 
>          I'm using gnome 2 with garnome 0.16.1, pango 1.0.4 and 
> freetype is 2.1.2
> 
>          Is it a known bug or may I change something ?
Hi,

This pango binary is probably linked against freetype 2.0.x.
Upgrade/recompile pango with freetype 2.1.2 and should work.
Or downgrade freetype to 2.0.x.
If you will try to compile any gtk2.xx program (from examples) you will
get the same error. This is not balsa problem.

Regards,

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> 	But freetype and pango are both from garnome, no ? and pango is 
> built with freetype 2.1.2.
> 	So, where is the problem ??

It's linking to your system freetype, not the one in GARNOME.

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Le 2002.09.16 07:38, Mario Vukelic a écrit :
> On Mon, 2002-09-16 at 05:04, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> > It's trying to install stuff, rather than remove stuff. This is very
> > annoying, I was sure I'd fixed this for this release... Will try to
> work it
> > out with the gimp-print dudes some time.
> 
> the gimp-print/Makefile for 0.16.1 did not contain the configure
> switch.
> And if I didn't make a stupid mistake, for me only --with-cups=no
> works,
> not --without-cups as was set in 0.15.1

		Hello,
	Here is the newbie quetsion : Where should I set this option ?

		nemo.

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Hi ppl,

A while ago I promised to make a garball for fontconfig. I did some
feeble attempt for it, but I really didn't want to screw up my gnome2
for it. I was badly needing it to get some work done.

But this weekend I started compiling Garnome 0.16 from scratch, normally
I just look at the diff. And yesterday-evening I compiled fontconfig for
this fresh and thus still warm installation of gnome 2.0.2.
I kept some notes on my progress and steps I made, so I could share it
with you guys.

Well... here it is:

First of all I installed gnome2 in /opt/garnome, so please change any
references to this directory for your installation-directory of gnome.

The first step I took was installing the latest freetype in the
garnome-tree and compile it. I attached a garball for this purpose

	- unpack free-garball in garnome-tree
	- cd gnome/freetype
        - make install
	- cd ../pango
	- make clean
	- make install

So far no fontconfig stuff, the pango recompile isn't even needed. But
it does confirm you have freetype running properly. You should also make
sure pango uses the correct freetype libraries. You can do this with
'ldd', but you do need to set 'LD_LIBRARY_PATH' correctly before
checking.
At this point you could be happy with the newest freetype. The following
steps probably also work with the freetype already installed in your
system, which is most likely to be 2.0.9.

First you will need to grab the fontconfig-package from the website
(www.fontconfig.org). It talks about a 2.0 download somewhere.
Unpack it somewhere, e.g. under /usr/src

	- cd /usr/src/fcpackage.2_0/fontconfig/
	- ./configure --prefix=/opt/garnome
--with-confdir=/opt/garnome/etc/fonts
--with-freetype-includes=/opt/garnome/include/freetype2/
--with-freetype-lib=/opt/garnome/lib/
--with-freetype-config=/opt/garnome/bin/freetype-config
	(all on one line)
	- make sure it found expat.h and freetype.h
	- make && make install
	- cd ../Xft
	- apply the following patch to the 'configure.in' file, to change the
order in which libraries are found
----- START PATCH (don't include this line) ------
--- configure.in.orig	Tue Sep 17 08:02:37 2002
+++ configure.in	Mon Sep 16 21:56:35 2002
@@ -178,9 +178,9 @@
 esac
 
 saved_LIBS="$LIBS"
-LIBS="$LIBS $FREETYPE_LIBS"
+LIBS="$FREETYPE_LIBS $LIBS"
 saved_CPPFLAGS="$CPPFLAGS"
-CPPFLAGS="$CPPFLAGS $FREETYPE_CFLAGS"
+CPPFLAGS="$FREETYPE_CFLAGS $CPPFLAGS"
 AC_CHECK_HEADERS(freetype/freetype.h)
 
 case "$ac_cv_header_freetype_freetype_h" in
----- END PATCH (don't include this line) -----

	- ./configure --prefix=/opt/garnome
--with-fontconfig-config=/opt/garnome/bin/fontconfig-config
--with-fontconfig-lib=/opt/garnome/lib/
--with-fontconfig-includes=/opt/garnome/include/
--with-freetype-includes=/opt/garnome/include/freetype2
--with-freetype-lib=/opt/garnome/lib/
--with-freetype-config=/opt/garnome/bin/freetype-config
	- make && make install

So far everything is installed into the same directory as gnome2 is
installed. The following package however is installed in the
X11-directory on your system. This shouldn't cause any problems, but I
needed to mention this.

	- cd ../Xrender
	- xmkmf -a
	- make && make install

Now we are almost ready. Only pango doesn't know about fontconfig yet.
The version installed with garnome doesn't support fontconfig. But the
attached Makefile for your garnome-pango directory downloads a beta of
pango with support for fontconfig. I also attached the checksums file.

	- cp Makefile /usr/src/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/pango
	- cp checksum /usr/src/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/pango
	- cd /usr/src/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/pango
	- make install

Now only gtk needs to be recompiled, it already has support for
fontconfig, so no new version is needed.

	- cd ../gtk+
	- make clean
	- make install

Alright... now you should have a spiffy gnome2 using fontconfig. I
suggest to reboot or otherwise make sure all gnome2 libraries are
unloaded. I normally do this by going into runlevel 3 (telinit 3),
killing any processes still runnning. And then going back to runlevel 5
(telinit 5).
This is enough for me, since I use gdm2. When you use gdm2, and click on
the 'language'-button you might be able to see chinese/japanese or
whatever correctly rendered. At least I see them. And if you don't you
either haven't got the right fonts installed or fontconfig didn't find
them.
You can add more font-directories in /opt/garnom/etc/fonts/fonts.conf. I
attached my version of the file. But this probably has a few
directories, that actually shouldn't be included.

If you have any problems with the above walk-through just let me know.

Have fun,

-A.



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CATEGORIES =3D gnome
DISTFILES =3D $(GARNAME)-$(GARVERSION).tar.gz

MASTER_SITES =3D ftp://ftp.gtk.org/pub/gtk/v2.1/

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	/usr/share/fonts
	/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts
	/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1
	/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF
	/usr/share/fonts/default/Type1
	/usr/share/fonts/ttf/armenian
	/usr/share/fonts/ttf/big5
	/usr/share/fonts/ttf/decoratives
	/usr/share/fonts/ttf/gb2312
	/usr/share/fonts/ttf/japanese
	/usr/share/fonts/ttf/korean
	/usr/share/fonts/ttf/monotype
	/usr/share/fonts/ttf/thai
	/usr/share/fonts/ttf/western
	/usr/share/fonts/ttf/intlfonts
	/usr/share/fonts/ttf/other
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/baltic
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/default
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/elmar
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/arabic24
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/cu
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/other
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/indic
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/Asian
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/Chinese
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/Chinese.BIG
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/Chinese.X
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/Ethiopic
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/European
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/European.BIG
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/Japanese
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/Japanese.BIG
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/Japanese.X
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/Korean.X
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/Misc
	/usr/share/fonts/type1/intlfonts/Type1
	/usr/local/j2re1.4/lib/fonts
	/usr/share/yudit/fonts
	/usr/lib/mures/images
	/usr/share/eel/fonts/urw
	

					 =20

	
		
			mono
		
		
			monospace
		
	


	
		
			sans
		
		
			sans-serif
		
	




	
		Times
		Times New Roman
		Nimbus Roman No9 L
		Luxi Serif
		Kochi Mincho
		AR PL SungtiL GB
		AR PL Mingti2L Big5
		Baekmuk Batang		=09
		serif
	

	
		Helvetica
		Arial
		Verdana
		Nimbus Sans L
		Luxi Sans
		Kochi Gothic
		AR PL KaitiM GB
		AR PL KaitiM Big5
		Baekmuk Dotum
		SimSun
		sans-serif
	

 	
		Courier
		Courier New
		Andale Mono
		Luxi Mono
		Nimbus Mono L
		NSimSun
		monospace
	

	
		
			sans-serif
		
		
			serif
		
		
			monospace
		
		
			sans-serif
		
	
=09

	~/.fonts.conf


	
		Times
		Times New Roman
	
	
		Helvetica
		Verdana
	
	
		Arial
		Verdana
	
	
		Courier
		Courier New
	


	
		serif
		
			Times New Roman
			Nimbus Roman No9 L
			Luxi Serif
			Times
			Kochi Mincho
			AR PL SungtiL GB
			AR PL Mingti2L Big5
			Baekmuk Batang		=09
		
	
	
		sans-serif
		
			Verdana
			Nimbus Sans L
			Luxi Sans
			Arial
			Helvetica
			Kochi Gothic
			AR PL KaitiM GB
			AR PL KaitiM Big5
			Baekmuk Dotum
			SimSun
		
	
	
		monospace
		
			Andale Mono
			Courier New
			Luxi Mono
			Nimbus Mono L
			Kochi Gothic
			AR PL KaitiM GB
			Baekmuk Dotum
		
	


=20
	
		
		
			roman
		
		
		
			roman
		
		
		
			
				matrix
				1.2
					01
				
			
		
		
		
			oblique
		
	


	
		rgb
	

	

		
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			0x2002
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			0x2005
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			0x200a
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From sproctor@ccs.neu.edu  Tue Sep 17 05:23:31 2002
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Okay, tried again with 0.16.2.  I don't have enough space to build GARNOME
w/o BUILD_CLEAN.  I have BUILD_CLEAN = true in the config... and my
garnome-0.16.2 directory is taking up ~1.1GB, and stopped because my HDD
is full.  If you can make BUILD_CLEAN do what it used to, awesome,
otherwise I'll just stick with the old version, or maybe try the debian
packages (are they any good?)

Thanks,
Sean


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begin  Sean Proctor  quotation:
> Okay, tried again with 0.16.2.  I don't have enough space to build
> GARNOME w/o BUILD_CLEAN.  I have BUILD_CLEAN = true in the config...
> and my garnome-0.16.2 directory is taking up ~1.1GB, and stopped
> because my HDD is full.  If you can make BUILD_CLEAN do what it used
> to, awesome, otherwise I'll just stick with the old version, or
> maybe try the debian packages (are they any good?)

	Well when I tried this, I must admit that I did it by setting
BUILD_CLEAN in my environment, like:

$ export BUILD_CLEAN="Goober"
$ make install

	And I saw buildclean get run.  Try that out first, and then
I'll try to figure out why it's not happening when set in gar.conf.mk
here.

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As time statistics I got these :


Stef van der Made wrote:

>
> Dear Jeff,
>
> Thanks for this new release.
>
> It compiled in about 3 hours on a Athlon 1200 with 768MB of memory, 
> I'll try to send you some detailed information on the next compile.
>
> I'm using the athlon optimizations for GCC 3.2. After compilation I've 
> got 407MB of software. It might be time to update the webpage slightly 
> as we are now 180MB above the 225MB advertised there. I'm still 
> enjoying this great gnome development even after the 10th recompile 
> sinceI've started using garnome just to keep up with the various 
> releases and improvements you've made to this package :-)
>
> Thanks and keep e'm coming
>
> Stef
>
> Jeff Waugh wrote:
>
>> GARNOME 0.16.0: "Hot Morning Furnace"
>> =====================================
>>
>> GARNOME - the bad-ass, bleeding edge GNOME distribution for testers and
>> tweakers everywhere. If you're dying to test the latest GNOME 2.0 
>> Desktop
>> releases, but don't want to fall into the depraved addictions and
>> co-dependencies of testing from anonymous CVS, then GARNOME is for you.
>>
>> [ In other words, GARNOME is a build system for GNOME 2.x which 
>> includes the
>> developer platform and desktop releases, as well as a host of other 
>> software
>> ported to the GNOME 2.x platform. Everything is as easy to build as 
>> 'make
>> install'. We call it a 'distribution' because it's sanity-tested and 
>> often
>> patched before release, for your convenience and enjoyment. ;-) ]
>>
>>
>> What's New?
>> -----------
>>
>>  * Updated to GNOME 2.0.2.
>>  
>>  * Added: koffice - the KDE office suite, mergeant - what used to be
>>    gnome-db.
>>  
>>  * Fixed: Mess in category files.
>>  
>>  * Fixed: gimp-print's CUPS stuff was attempting to install out of 
>> prefix.
>>    Fixed the hard way.
>>  
>>  * Fixed: quick-lounge-applets uncommented. ;-)
>>  
>>  * Fixed: Disabled -Werror -Wall on rhythmbox and gst-plugins, thanks to
>>    ajmitch.
>>
>>
>> Where Do I Get It?
>> ------------------
>>
>> The tarball and documentation [1] are available on the GARNOME website:
>>
>>  http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/garnome/
>>
>>
>> Enjoy G2D and GARNOME. :-)
>>
>> - Jeff
>>
>> [1] People who don't read the documentation tend to look pretty silly on
>> garnome-list and in #garnome.
>>
>>  
>>
>
>
>




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The compilation gave me back these statistics when using time :

real    240m28.323s
user    84m56.600s
sys     17m45.950s

Sorry for the previous message I found the shortcut key for sending a 
message by accident :-(

Cheers

stef

>>
>> Dear Jeff,
>>
>> Thanks for this new release.
>>
>> It compiled in about 3 hours on a Athlon 1200 with 768MB of memory, 
>> I'll try to send you some detailed information on the next compile.
>>
>> I'm using the athlon optimizations for GCC 3.2. After compilation 
>> I've got 407MB of software. It might be time to update the webpage 
>> slightly as we are now 180MB above the 225MB advertised there. I'm 
>> still enjoying this great gnome development even after the 10th 
>> recompile sinceI've started using garnome just to keep up with the 
>> various releases and improvements you've made to this package :-)
>>
>> Thanks and keep e'm coming
>>
>> Stef
>>



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bingo.  adding export before the BUILD_CLEAN seems to have worked
perfectly.  thanks a lot.  I'm in the process of building it, only 36MB so
far, and I noticed the work directories are being deleted.

Sean

On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Nick Moffitt wrote:

> begin  Sean Proctor  quotation:
> > Okay, tried again with 0.16.2.  I don't have enough space to build
> > GARNOME w/o BUILD_CLEAN.  I have BUILD_CLEAN = true in the config...
> > and my garnome-0.16.2 directory is taking up ~1.1GB, and stopped
> > because my HDD is full.  If you can make BUILD_CLEAN do what it used
> > to, awesome, otherwise I'll just stick with the old version, or
> > maybe try the debian packages (are they any good?)
>
> 	Well when I tried this, I must admit that I did it by setting
> BUILD_CLEAN in my environment, like:
>
> $ export BUILD_CLEAN="Goober"
> $ make install
>
> 	And I saw buildclean get run.  Try that out first, and then
> I'll try to figure out why it's not happening when set in gar.conf.mk
> here.
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begin  Sean Proctor  quotation:
> bingo.  adding export before the BUILD_CLEAN seems to have worked
> perfectly.  thanks a lot.  I'm in the process of building it, only
> 36MB so far, and I noticed the work directories are being deleted.

Aha!  Thanks for catching this one, and sorry we ate up your disk
space!

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begin  Jeff Waugh  quotation:
> make fetch in meta/gnome-desktop will only make fetch for that
> garball, so... You need to make fetch in the root build directory.
> 
> However, I strongly recommend that you 'make paranoid-checksum', as
> this will stop and tell you if the files are incorrectly downloaded.

	"make paranoid-garchive" will build a reusable cache of files
that will survive a "make clean", also stopping to tell you if files
are incorrectly downloaded.

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Attached is a sh-script which patches an existing garnome dir structure
to a new revision and downloads and compiles only files necessary for
the upgrade.
If you have a previous compiled version in ~garnome/garnome-0.15.0 untar
garnome-0.16.2 in ~garnome and run the script in ~garnome.
For example:
update-garnome garnome-0.15.0 garnome-0.16.2 desktop fifth-toe
//will patch garnome-0.15.0 to garnome-0.16.2 and build
garnome-0.15.0/meta/gnome-desktop and ... gnome-fifth-toe.

It is also possible to keep control and run every single step.
For example:

update-garnome garnome-0.15.0 garnome-0.16.2 newdiff 
//creates a new diff file and cp files from files dir creating a backup
file if the file exist

update-garnome garnome-0.15.0 garnome-0.16.2 patch 
//patches from existing diff file

update-garnome garnome-0.15.0 garnome-0.16.2 update 
//updates dir structure by rm cookies and work dirs, needs existing diff
file for files changed

update-garnome garnome-0.15.0 garnome-0.16.2 all-changed
//every thing from above plus runs make on every changed Makefile, use
with care since it's possible to link to old libs, there is no enforced
sequence 

update-garnome garnome-0.15.0 garnome-0.16.2 desktop
//first 3 [newdiff, patch, update] plus runs make in meta/gnome-desktop

The 4th - x  parameter(s) can be any meta dir or for that matter any
fully qualified dir with a Makefile in it.
Example:
update-garnome garnome-0.15.0 garnome-0.16.2 desktop fifth-toe kde
garnome-0.15.0/misc/redhat-artwork/

No 3rd parameter:
update-garnome garnome-0.15.0 garnome-0.16.2
//runs (newdiff, patch, update), so it's possible to run make as usual

Let me know if I missed something, most likely :-).

Hope this helps,
Ronald




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#!/bin/bash

#remove tailing / from pathname expansion
ORG=3D${1%/}
NEW=3D${2%/}

#make sure we have two parameters
USAGE=3D'ERROR usage: update-garnome orginal-garnome new-garname'
echo  "${ORG:?$USAGE} ${NEW:?$USAGE} " > /dev/null

RMDIRS=3D"cookies work"
BASE=3D$PWD
UPDATE=3Dupdate.appl
MAKEALL=3D"NO"

#create a patch file for changed files cp with backup all files from the fi=
les dir
function newdiff() {
echo "newdiff"
rm -f $NEW.diff
for FILE in `find $NEW -name "*.mk"`
do
diff -uN ${FILE/$NEW/$ORG} $FILE >> $NEW.diff
done
for FILE in `find $NEW -name checksums`
do
diff -uN ${FILE/$NEW/$ORG} $FILE >> $NEW.diff
done
for FILE in `find $NEW -name Makefile`
do
diff -uN ${FILE/$NEW/$ORG} $FILE >> $NEW.diff
done
for FILE in `find $NEW -path '*files*' -type f -or -type l`
do
mkdir -p `dirname ${FILE/$NEW/$ORG}`
cp -ab $FILE ${FILE/$NEW/$ORG}
done
}

#patch old dir structure so we don't download all dependency files again
function patch() {
echo "patch"
if [ -f $NEW.diff ];then
 cd $ORG
 /usr/bin/patch -p1 <../$NEW.diff
 cd $BASE
fi
}


#create file for appl to update
function update() {
echo "update"
grep $ORG $NEW.diff |awk '{print $2}' > $UPDATE

#remove old dirs, [run make]=20
while read FILE
do
DIR=3D`dirname $FILE`
FILENAME=3D`basename $FILE`
if [ -d $DIR ]; then
 if [ $FILENAME =3D=3D "Makefile" ]; then
  cd $DIR
  if [ -d "cookies" ]; then=20
    rm -rf $RMDIRS
    if [ $MAKEALL =3D=3D "YES" ];then
     make
    fi
  fi
 fi
 cd $BASE
fi
done <  $UPDATE
}

function gnome-desktop() {
newdiff
patch
update
 cd $BASE
 cd $ORG/meta/gnome-desktop
  echo "Compiling desktop"=20
  make
 cd $BASE
}

function gnome-meta() {
 if [ -d $ORG/meta/gnome-$1 ];then=09
   cd $ORG/meta/gnome-$1
   echo "Compiling $ORG/meta/gnome-$1"
   make
 elif [ -d $ORG/meta/$1 ];then=09
   cd $ORG/meta/$1
   echo "Compiling $ORG/meta/$1"
   make
 elif [ -d $1 ];then=09
   cd $1
   echo "Compiling $1"
   make
 fi
 cd $BASE
}


function loop_args(){
 for META in $@
 do
 gnome-meta $META
 done
}

case "$3" in
  newdiff)
	newdiff
	;;=09
  patch)
	patch
	;;
  update)
	update
	;;
  all-changed)
        MAKEALL=3D"YES"
	newdiff
	patch
	update
	;;
  desktop)
        gnome-desktop
	shift 3
	loop_args $@
	;;
  gnome-desktop)
        gnome-desktop
	shift 3
	loop_args $@
	;;

  *)
	newdiff
	patch
	update
esac


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I am running a Mandrake 8.2 system.  When I attempt to compile 
garnome (0.16.2), I get the following error in the redhat-artwork 
step of the make:


<15 MB of make output snipped ...>


checking whether the linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries...
yes
checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate
checking whether stripping libraries is possible... yes
checking dynamic linker characteristics... GNU/Linux ld.so
checking if libtool supports shared libraries... yes
checking whether to build shared libraries... yes
checking whether to build static libraries... no
checking whether -lc should be explicitly linked in... no
creating libtool
checking for gtk-config... no
checking for GTK - version >= 1.2.9... no
*** The gtk-config script installed by GTK could not be found
*** If GTK was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in
*** your path, or set the GTK_CONFIG environment variable to the
*** full path to gtk-config.
configure: error: *** GTK+-1.2.9 not installed - please install first
***
make[2]: *** [configure-work/redhat-artwork-0.36/configure] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/usr/local/public/bigdisk/tmp/garnome-0.16.2/misc/redhat-artwork'
make[1]: *** [install] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/usr/local/public/bigdisk/tmp/garnome-0.16.2/misc'
make: *** [install] Error 2

----------------------------------------------------------------------

I am confused by this error -- I thought that an updated GTK was
provided by the Garnome make process (I see a
"garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gtk+/work/gtk+-2.0.6" directory in the build
tree) ... How do I fix this error?




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> checking for GTK - version >= 1.2.9... no
> *** The gtk-config script installed by GTK could not be found
> *** If GTK was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in
> *** your path, or set the GTK_CONFIG environment variable to the
> *** full path to gtk-config.
> configure: error: *** GTK+-1.2.9 not installed - please install first
> ***

> I am confused by this error -- I thought that an updated GTK was
> provided by the Garnome make process (I see a
> "garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gtk+/work/gtk+-2.0.6" directory in the build
> tree) ... How do I fix this error?

Install GTK+ 1.x. Red Hat has a Bluecurve theme for both GTK+ 1.x and 2.x.

- Jeff

-- 
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Hi,
I'm a novice and have some problem to try to install gnome 2 from local
files. I acquired a magazine with a cd with sources of gnome 2. Now I wou=
ld
like to install gnome 2 with these and not with the download the files fr=
om
the ftp or http. I follow the readme instructions and modified the gar co=
nfig
files and added the line file:///home/downloads/garnome (where I copied
the bz2 source files). After to try, I went on atk directory and type mak=
e
install and obtained the follow message:

mkdir download
 
  =3D=3D> Grabbing download/atk-1.0.2.tar.bz2
      
         =3D=3D> Trying file//files/atk-1.0.2.tar.bz2

make[1]: *** [file//files/atk-1.0.2.tar.bz2] Error 1
   
         =3D=3D> Trying http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/2.0.0/sources/atk/=
atk-1.0.2.tar.bz2

And final obtain an error message.
In what mode I can do so the system know that I have these files on my ha=
rd
disk? And also, where I can install the gnome 2 system so all the user ca=
n
see that? I installed garnome-0.12.0 under the home directory and do all
these operation under the root.
Thanks,

Marco Mangiante



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> I'm a novice and have some problem to try to install gnome 2 from local
> files. I acquired a magazine with a cd with sources of gnome 2. Now I
> would like to install gnome 2 with these and not with the download the
> files from the ftp or http. I follow the readme instructions and modified
> the gar config files and added the line file:///home/downloads/garnome
> (where I copied the bz2 source files).

With a modern GARNOME (0.16.x), you set the GARCHIVE variable in
gar.conf.mk. Note that it will still download files that you do not have in
your garchive, so if the files on your magazine disk are for an old version
of GNOME, it will download just about everything anyway.

Thanks,

- Jeff

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I have installed garnome-16.2 and when I start yelp there are no Gnome
documents, only man pages and info documents.

I have checked that the .xml files are in

~/garnome/share/gnome/help/user-guide/C/

Any clues?  (I have read the FAQ).  What should I do to diagnose the
problem?


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> I have installed garnome-16.2 and when I start yelp there are no Gnome
> documents, only man pages and info documents.
> 
> I have checked that the .xml files are in
> 
> ~/garnome/share/gnome/help/user-guide/C/
> 
> Any clues?  (I have read the FAQ).  What should I do to diagnose the
> problem?

This is my fault. :-) I still haven't got the documentation stuff *quite*
right. If you manage to work it out (it's mostly to do with everything being
in a weird prefix, etc), please let me know.

Note that using the help menu item in every application does work, but it's
harder to get into the basic gnome2-user-docs documentation.

- Jeff

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Hi,
thanks for the response. I have the gnome 2.0 and I think that the garnom=
e-0.16.x
download the last files. In what mode I can modify the garnome so it acce=
pt
the "old" gnome files?
Thanks,

Marco Mangiante

 
>-- Messaggio originale --
>From: Jeff Waugh 
>To: marcomangiante@virgilio.it
>Cc: garnome-list@gnome.org
>Subject: Re: Installing gnome 2 from local bz2 files
>Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 17:40:41 +1000
>
>
>
>
>> I'm a novice and have some problem to try to install gnome 2 from loca=
l
>> files. I acquired a magazine with a cd with sources of gnome 2. Now I
>> would like to install gnome 2 with these and not with the download the=

>> files from the ftp or http. I follow the readme instructions and modif=
ied
>> the gar config files and added the line file:///home/downloads/garnome=

>> (where I copied the bz2 source files).
>
>With a modern GARNOME (0.16.x), you set the GARCHIVE variable in
>gar.conf.mk. Note that it will still download files that you do not have=

>in
>your garchive, so if the files on your magazine disk are for an old vers=
ion
>of GNOME, it will download just about everything anyway.
>
>Thanks,
>
>- Jeff
>
>-- 
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>   
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> thanks for the response. I have the gnome 2.0 and I think that the garnome-0.16.x
> download the last files. In what mode I can modify the garnome so it accept
> the "old" gnome files?

You can't (easily). GARNOME is designed more as a 'distribution' than as a
build tool. I strongly, strongly, strongly recommend that you let it
download the new tarballs and build them.

- Jeff

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Hi,
I know this because I try do this and it is very hard. I chenged a line
in one of the config file (don't remember what file) so it recognize wher=
e
I have the local files. I cancelled all the checksum in all the directory=

and rebuild them with these command:

make fetch
make makesum
make checksum

It seems that it works but I have problem because I installed it under th=
e
Marco user and not under the root, so I'm arrived to a point in which I
can't continue.
Is this the method that you say is difficult (mine is difficult and tedio=
us).
Thanks,

Marco Mangiante

>You can't (easily). GARNOME is designed more as a 'distribution' than as=

>a
>build tool. I strongly, strongly, strongly recommend that you let it
>download the new tarballs and build them.
>
>- Jeff



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> I know this because I try do this and it is very hard. I chenged a line
> in one of the config file (don't remember what file) so it recognize where
> I have the local files. I cancelled all the checksum in all the directory
> and rebuild them with these command:
> 
> make fetch
> make makesum
> make checksum

That is the correct way of doing it, but note that you may build a
completely broken GNOME 2 installation, and I will not help you pick up the
pieces. I distribute GARNOME so that you can test a *build/sanity tested and
working* version of GNOME. If you choose to do silly things like this, I'm
not all that interested in helping you out.

> It seems that it works but I have problem because I installed it under the
> Marco user and not under the root, so I'm arrived to a point in which I
> can't continue.

Why is this a problem? It should 100% work no matter which user you build it
as. Indeed, I've said many times NOT to build it as root.

- Jeff

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Try,
scrollkeeper-update -o ~/garnome/share/omf/

Works for me, except for "introduction-to-gnome" which is not
well-formed xml.

Ronald


On Wed, 2002-09-18 at 04:15, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> 
> > I have installed garnome-16.2 and when I start yelp there are no Gnome
> > documents, only man pages and info documents.
> > 
> > I have checked that the .xml files are in
> > 
> > ~/garnome/share/gnome/help/user-guide/C/
> > 
> > Any clues?  (I have read the FAQ).  What should I do to diagnose the
> > problem?
> 
> This is my fault. :-) I still haven't got the documentation stuff *quite*
> right. If you manage to work it out (it's mostly to do with everything being
> in a weird prefix, etc), please let me know.
> 
> Note that using the help menu item in every application does work, but it's
> harder to get into the basic gnome2-user-docs documentation.
> 
> - Jeff
> 
> -- 
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> Try,
> scrollkeeper-update -o ~/garnome/share/omf/
> 
> Works for me, except for "introduction-to-gnome" which is not
> well-formed xml.

Oh, BOLLOCKS!

No wonder, I managed to take that out of the post-everything rule ages ago.
Gar, gar, gar!

Thanks,

- Jeff

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Hi,

>> It seems that it works but I have problem because I installed it under=

>the
>> Marco user and not under the root, so I'm arrived to a point in which
I
>> can't continue.
>
>Why is this a problem? It should 100% work no matter which user you buil=
d
>it
>as. Indeed, I've said many times NOT to build it as root.

maybe it depends on the fact that I tried to install gnome in mode that
I explained, so under my user I haven't permission on such directory.
So, however, when I first downloaded the garnome-0.13.1 (my first experie=
nce
with garnome) I type make install and it downloaded the files for install=

a sanity version on gnome (I think version 2.0.2); now it works but becau=
se
I am not experienced I installed it under root, adn when I lauch gdm and
try to access gnome 2 with Marco, the system return me to gdm screen. Wha=
t
I can add to do gnome 2 work also under other users? And I can resue the
files that I have downloaded with new garnome versions?
Thanks,

Marco



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> So, however, when I first downloaded the garnome-0.13.1 (my first experience
> with garnome) I type make install and it downloaded the files for install
> a sanity version on gnome (I think version 2.0.2);

No, 0.13.1 was much earlier than 2.0.2.

> now it works but because I am not experienced I installed it under root,
> adn when I lauch gdm and try to access gnome 2 with Marco, the system
> return me to gdm screen. What I can add to do gnome 2 work also under
> other users?

Give them permissions to access (read and execute) whichever directory you
installed GARNOME into.

> And I can resue the files that I have downloaded with new garnome
> versions?

'make garchive' in the root build directory.

- Jeff

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On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 04:40, Ronald Kuetemeier wrote:
> Try,
> scrollkeeper-update -o ~/garnome/share/omf/
> 
> Works for me, except for "introduction-to-gnome" which is not
> well-formed xml.
> 
> Ronald
Thanks Ronald, but it still does not work.  (I executed that command and
re-started yelp but there was not change.)  I appreciate your help
nonetheless.

cheers,

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> On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 04:40, Ronald Kuetemeier wrote:
> > Try,
> > scrollkeeper-update -o ~/garnome/share/omf/
> > 
> > Works for me, except for "introduction-to-gnome" which is not
> > well-formed xml.
> 
> Thanks Ronald, but it still does not work.  (I executed that command and
> re-started yelp but there was not change.)  I appreciate your help
> nonetheless.

Works here - did you specify the correct prefix with -o?

- Jeff

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On Wed, 2002-09-18 at 14:24, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> 
> > On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 04:40, Ronald Kuetemeier wrote:
> > > Try,
> > > scrollkeeper-update -o ~/garnome/share/omf/
> > > 
> > > Works for me, except for "introduction-to-gnome" which is not
> > > well-formed xml.
> > 
> > Thanks Ronald, but it still does not work.  (I executed that command and
> > re-started yelp but there was not change.)  I appreciate your help
> > nonetheless.
> 
> Works here - did you specify the correct prefix with -o?

Or any error messages ?

If you use the wrong path, you will most likely get a lot of errors
stating the docs can not validated against the DTD. That's because you
try to validate old docs against the new DTD. 

What does,   
xmlcatalog ~/garnome/etc/xml/catalog "-//OMF//DTD Scrollkeeper OMF
Variant V1.0//EN"
return? On my machine it's:
/home/ronald/garnome/share/xml/scrollkeeper/dtds/scrollkeeper-omf.dtd 
Which is the correct dtd for gnome2 and my installation.

Does ~/garnome/etc/scrollkeeper.conf point to the right dir?
You might also want to check out:
http://people.codefactory.se/~micke/yelp/setup-system.html
That's where I found the hind to scrollkeeper-update.

Ronald

> 
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On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 08:48, Ronald Kuetemeier wrote:
> On Wed, 2002-09-18 at 14:24, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 04:40, Ronald Kuetemeier wrote:
> > > > Try,
> > > > scrollkeeper-update -o ~/garnome/share/omf/
> > > > 
> > > > Works for me, except for "introduction-to-gnome" which is not
> > > > well-formed xml.
> > > 
> > > Thanks Ronald, but it still does not work.  (I executed that command and
> > > re-started yelp but there was not change.)  I appreciate your help
> > > nonetheless.
> > 
> > Works here - did you specify the correct prefix with -o?
> 
> Or any error messages ?
> 
> If you use the wrong path, you will most likely get a lot of errors
> stating the docs can not validated against the DTD. That's because you
> try to validate old docs against the new DTD. 
> 
> What does,   
> xmlcatalog ~/garnome/etc/xml/catalog "-//OMF//DTD Scrollkeeper OMF
> Variant V1.0//EN"
> return? On my machine it's:
> /home/ronald/garnome/share/xml/scrollkeeper/dtds/scrollkeeper-omf.dtd 
> Which is the correct dtd for gnome2 and my installation.
> 
> Does ~/garnome/etc/scrollkeeper.conf point to the right dir?
> You might also want to check out:
> http://people.codefactory.se/~micke/yelp/setup-system.html
> That's where I found the hind to scrollkeeper-update.
Thanks for all this: I have now solved the problem: I had
scrollkeeper-0.3.4-5 installed (via RPM) and it was being executed
instead of the version that comes with garnome.

I feel so stupid --- a _long_ time ago I had a problem that necessitated
prepending /usr/bin to my path in .bashrc, and of course hacks like lack
tend to hang around unnoticed...

Thanks for your help, and apologies for the time wasting.

John

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On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 08:24, Jeff Waugh wrote:
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> 
> > On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 04:40, Ronald Kuetemeier wrote:
> > > Try,
> > > scrollkeeper-update -o ~/garnome/share/omf/
> > > 
> > > Works for me, except for "introduction-to-gnome" which is not
> > > well-formed xml.
> > 
> > Thanks Ronald, but it still does not work.  (I executed that command and
> > re-started yelp but there was not change.)  I appreciate your help
> > nonetheless.
> 
> Works here - did you specify the correct prefix with -o?
I executed the command cut 'n' pasted from Ronald's post as a normal
user:

[jwilliams@ou092011 Book]$ scrollkeeper-update -o ~/garnome/share/omf/
/var/lib/scrollkeeper/scrollkeeper_docs: Permission denied

Then su'ed and executed
[root@ou092011 Book]# scrollkeeper-update -o
/home/jwilliams/garnome/share/omf/

(one line, evo is wrapping it)

which produced no error messages.  (Actually the first time I did that I
got a message about non UTF-8 encoding in file-roller-ru.xml, so I moved
that file out of the way and re-tried.)

It's no big deal for me, I can wait until the next release when it's
fixed :-)  I just thought you'd like to know.  

There is no bugzilla for garnome is there?  (I know there is one for
Gnome2.)

cheers,

and bug ups to Jeff for his fine work.

John

-- 
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On Wed, 2002-09-18 at 14:32, John Williams wrote:
> On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 08:24, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 04:40, Ronald Kuetemeier wrote:
> > > > Try,
> > > > scrollkeeper-update -o ~/garnome/share/omf/
> > > > 
> > > > Works for me, except for "introduction-to-gnome" which is not
> > > > well-formed xml.
> > > 
> > > Thanks Ronald, but it still does not work.  (I executed that command and
> > > re-started yelp but there was not change.)  I appreciate your help
> > > nonetheless.
> > 
> > Works here - did you specify the correct prefix with -o?
> I executed the command cut 'n' pasted from Ronald's post as a normal
> user:
> 
> [jwilliams@ou092011 Book]$ scrollkeeper-update -o ~/garnome/share/omf/
> /var/lib/scrollkeeper/scrollkeeper_docs: Permission denied
> 
> Then su'ed and executed

UUUUh, you should have changed the owner/group of
"/var/lib/scrollkeeper/"
instead, to avoid the problem in the future. Been there done that :-).

Ronald

 



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Hi,

I have started installing Gnome 2.0.2 with garnomne 0.16.2 using
.../meta/gnome-desktop/ make install
Before this I have proved that all libaries, as listed on the
garnome-website, are installed. After about 4 hours of installing the
process stops with the following error-message: 
_______________________________________________________________-
Making all in descs
make[4]: Entering directory
`/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new/descs'
make[4]: *** No rule to make target `AM_Armenian.keyprop', needed by
`all-am'.  Stop.
make[4]: Leaving directory
`/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new/descs'
make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory
`/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3'
make: *** [build-work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/Makefile] Error 2

____________________________________________________

I changed to the applets-directory to rebuilt with make clean ; make
install and got the following message: 
________________________________________________________________________________
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 ./xmodmap.ru-rev
/root/garnome/share/xmodmap/xmodmap.ru-rev
make[3]: Leaving directory
`/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new/xmodmap'
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new/xmodmap'
Making install in descs
make[2]: Entering directory
`/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new/descs'
make[2]: *** No rule to make target `AM_Armenian.keyprop', needed by
`all-am'.  Stop.
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new/descs'
make[1]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new'
make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
_______________________________________________________________________________________


I cannot find any hint on missing libaries. I d not know the exact
meaning of install-recursive, too.
Is there any way to continue and install the applets after finishing the
installation with garnome?

If somebody has any explanation or idea on these error-messages I would
be happy and thankful to read them.


Matthias



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On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 08:11, Matthias Richter wrote:
___________________________________________________________
> /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 ./xmodmap.ru-rev
> /root/garnome/share/xmodmap/xmodmap.ru-rev
> make[3]: Leaving directory
> `/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new/xmodmap'
> make[2]: Leaving directory
> `/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new/xmodmap'
> Making install in descs
> make[2]: Entering directory
> `/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new/descs'
> make[2]: *** No rule to make target `AM_Armenian.keyprop', needed by
> `all-am'.  Stop.
> make[2]: Leaving directory
> `/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new/descs'
> make[1]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory
> `/work/gnome2inst/garnome-0.16.2/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new'
> make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
> _______________________________________________________________________________________
> 
> 
> I cannot find any hint on missing libaries. I d not know the exact
> meaning of install-recursive, too.
Just walks the dir tree and installs.
> Is there any way to continue and install the applets after finishing the
> installation with garnome?
Well looks like you do the install as root, as Jeff would say: "DON'T DO
THAT"
Second do a `df -h` since root is under / and not /home you might have a
full partition, if you have a standard installation.
Third if you are just changing between su and user check all permissions
and owner of ALL files/dirs.
4th use make -d for debugging info from make.

Ronald
 


> 
> If somebody has any explanation or idea on these error-messages I would
> be happy and thankful to read them.
> 
> 
> Matthias
> 
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Hi,

I keep getting error messages regarding the download of a file by the name
of bytecode-interpreter.diff.

I tried to follow the link manually and cannot see the file there either.

Has anyone encountered this problem before?

<- cut ->
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           => `download/bytecode-interpreter.diff'
Resolving dl.sourceforge.net... done.
Connecting to dl.sourceforge.net[193.190.198.97]:80... connected.
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Location:
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[following]
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Resolving belnet.dl.sourceforge.net... done.
Connecting to belnet.dl.sourceforge.net[193.190.198.97]:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
16:54:13 ERROR 404: Not Found.

make[5]: *** [http//dl.sourceforge.net/freetype/bytecode-interpreter.diff]
Error 1
*** GAR GAR GAR!  Failed to download download/bytecode-interpreter.diff!
GAR GAR GAR! ***
make[4]: *** [download/bytecode-interpreter.diff] Error 1
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Thanks in advance, Mike

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> I keep getting error messages regarding the download of a file by the name
> of bytecode-interpreter.diff.
> 
> I tried to follow the link manually and cannot see the file there either.
> 
> Has anyone encountered this problem before?

What have you changed in the GARNOME configuration files? If you've removed
anything from the FILE_SITES variable, do I have full permission to spank
you for not reading the documentation? :-)

Thanks,

- Jeff

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Jeff,

My gar.conf.mk looks like this:

<- cut ->
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file:///mnt/windows/gnome/2.0.2/
<- cut ->

This is what I gathered from the documentation. As usual I probably
misinterpreted the information...

You'll have to discuss the spanking bit with my GF though ;)

// Mike

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> I keep getting error messages regarding the download of a file by the name
> of bytecode-interpreter.diff.
> 
> I tried to follow the link manually and cannot see the file there either.
> 
> Has anyone encountered this problem before?

What have you changed in the GARNOME configuration files? If you've removed
anything from the FILE_SITES variable, do I have full permission to spank
you for not reading the documentation? :-)

Thanks,

- Jeff

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> My gar.conf.mk looks like this:
> 
> <- cut ->
> FILE_SITES = file://$(FILEDIR)/ file://$(GARCHIVEDIR)/
> file:///mnt/windows/gnome/2.0.2/
> <- cut ->

Ah. On the website, these links are on separate lines, but only due to
html wrapping. Please make sure they're on the same line.

[ What's not in the documentation is that you can just put a normal
directory up in the GARCHIVE variable at the top of the new gar.conf.mk,
though. ]

- Jeff

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To make sure you know when you are root, create a gnome-terminal profile
for root.  Maybe red as the background, or whatever you like.
Then add the following to your .bashrc, if you use bash. Or always type
it in :-) ...
Should be on ONE line.

alias su='if [ $TERM == "xterm" ]; then gnome-terminal
--window-with-profile=root -e su;else su;fi'

This creates a new gnome-terminal with the profile root and executes su
in that terminal.  You could also create a new tab in the existing
terminal, see docs ...

Hope this helps,
Ronald

 


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Or type 'id'.

Ronald Kuetemeier had the audacity to claim:

>To make sure you know when you are root, create a gnome-terminal profile
>for root.  Maybe red as the background, or whatever you like.
>Then add the following to your .bashrc, if you use bash. Or always type
>it in :-) ...
>Should be on ONE line.
>
>alias su='if [ $TERM == "xterm" ]; then gnome-terminal
>--window-with-profile=root -e su;else su;fi'
>
>This creates a new gnome-terminal with the profile root and executes su
>in that terminal.  You could also create a new tab in the existing
>terminal, see docs ...
>
>Hope this helps,
>Ronald


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Mark Faine wrote:

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> 
> Decided to rebuild the entire thing but unfortunatly I can't get any 
> files to download.  How ( and where) can I set where to download the 
> files from and where can I find a list of mirrors?
> 
They downloaded fine yesterday but fail to download today. Perhaps tomorrow?


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It's most likely because of the directory layout changes on
ftp.gnome.org.  I'm sure a new garnome will be released soon.

Alex

On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 21:48, Andreas J Guelzow wrote:
> Mark Faine wrote:
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> >  
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> > Decided to rebuild the entire thing but unfortunatly I can't get any 
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> > 
> They downloaded fine yesterday but fail to download today. Perhaps tomorrow?
> 
> 
> Andreas
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> 
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Jeff,

I've tried putting my local directory on the same line as the 'variable'
ones. I've tried to put my directory into the GARCHIVEDIR variable earlier
in the file.

None of this seems to work, I still keep getting the same problem.

Could it be that this file it's looking for has been removed for some
reason?

I'll soon be going GAR GAR GAR!, just like the install script ;)

Greetings, Mike

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> My gar.conf.mk looks like this:
> 
> <- cut ->
> FILE_SITES = file://$(FILEDIR)/ file://$(GARCHIVEDIR)/
> file:///mnt/windows/gnome/2.0.2/
> <- cut ->

Ah. On the website, these links are on separate lines, but only due to
html wrapping. Please make sure they're on the same line.

[ What's not in the documentation is that you can just put a normal
directory up in the GARCHIVE variable at the top of the new gar.conf.mk,
though. ]

- Jeff

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You can modify a line in garnome-0.16.2\gnome\category.mk to make things 
work...

change this line:

MASTER_SITES += http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/2.0.2/sources$(GARNAME)/ 
http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/2.0.1/sources/$(GARNAME)/

to:

MASTER_SITES += http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/desktop/2.0/2.0.2/sources/ 
http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/desktop/2.0/2.0.1/sources/

This seems to work for me...

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Made the changes to category.mk to reflect the directory changes on 
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However, I error out when the script tries to download 
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Made the changes to category.mk to reflect the directory changes on ftp.gnome.org this morning and tried to compile garnome-0.16.2..

However, I error out when the script tries to download gnome-vfs-extras-0.99.5 from gnome.org.. version 0.99.5 isn't there.

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DRWilliams@marinerhealthcare.com writes:

> Made the changes to category.mk to reflect the directory changes on ftp.gnome.org this morning and tried to compile
> garnome-0.16.2..
> However, I error out when the script tries to download gnome-vfs-extras-0.99.5 from gnome.org.. version 0.99.5 isn't there.

If you change the version in the Makefile in the gnome-vfs-extras file
to 0.99.3, it'll get the one from 2.0.1. You'll need to remake the
checksum too, however ('md5sum TARBALL > checksum')

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The error message indicates a missing bytecode-interpreter.diff. This file
is part of the Garnome garball. It is not supposed to be downloaded. It is
possible to extract it manually from the garball and put it in its proper
location, where the Garnome system expects it to be.

(I did this too. And it wasn't the worst mistake I made...)

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Am Fre, 2002-09-20 um 16.35 schrieb Jon Riekenberg:

> change this line:

> to:
> 
> MASTER_SITES += http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/desktop/2.0/2.0.2/sources/ 
> http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/desktop/2.0/2.0.1/sources/
> 

Thx for the info so far. After modifying as you said, Garnome fails to
download an cuased the error 404 "host not found" after sveral hours of
compiling.again. 


Matthias



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glade isn't up on the gnome website anymore, so garnome can't download it.

thanks,
Sean


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> glade isn't up on the gnome website anymore, so garnome can't download it.

The GNOME FTP site structure changed last Friday, I'm putting a new release
out in a little while.

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You can download glade from:
http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/glade/1.1/

Alex

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Jeff and Co,

I have a couple of Gnome apps that are being ported across to G2 and
seem to be working pretty much okay (well, at lot better than RhythmBox
anyway ;-)

They are:
        * Firestarter (firewall script creator)
        * Gkrellm (the super monitor)
        * Bluefish (web page editor)

I was wondering whether you might consider them for the fifth-toe meta
package in future Garnome distributions.

Maybe we could have another meta pkg called spare-foot or even the
spare-boot?!


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>         * Firestarter (firewall script creator)
>         * Gkrellm (the super monitor)
>         * Bluefish (web page editor)
> 
> I was wondering whether you might consider them for the fifth-toe meta
> package in future Garnome distributions.

Sure. :-)

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GARNOME 0.17.0: "Next Big Thing"
================================

GARNOME - the bad-ass, bleeding edge GNOME distribution for testers and
tweakers everywhere. If you're dying to test the latest GNOME 2.0 Desktop
releases, but don't want to fall into the depraved addictions and
co-dependencies of testing from anonymous CVS, then GARNOME is for you.

[ In other words, GARNOME is a build system for GNOME 2.x which includes the
developer platform and desktop releases, as well as a host of other software
ported to the GNOME 2.x platform. Everything is as easy to build as 'make
install'. We call it a 'distribution' because it's sanity-tested and often
patched before release, for your convenience and enjoyment. ;-) ]


What's New?
-----------

  - New: Balsa! [ Should have been added a while back, but I waited for a
	new release as the previous one wasn't very G2Dish... But, um, I guess
	they're just not going for G2D-ish after all. :-) ]
  
  - New: gworldclock - a very simple multiple-timezone clock
  
  - New: Fresh acme release with more support for PCs. Yay!
  
  - Updated: New GStreamer release!
  
  - Fixed: Splashscreen no longer refers to Preview 8. ;-) [ Needed
	checksum, thanks to Jan Schmidt. ]
  
  - Fixed: Point to new FTP directories.
  
  - Fixed: Remove our gimp-print brain damage.
  
  - No longer include bzipped patch for redhat-artwork, because we want to
	keep binary files out of the tree.
 

Where Do I Get It?
------------------

The tarball and documentation [1] are available on the GARNOME website:

  http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/garnome/


Enjoy G2D and GARNOME. :-)

- Jeff


[1] People who don't read the documentation tend to look pretty silly on
garnome-list and in #garnome.

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A while back I saw 0.16.3 at your site but not yet available. A few
minutes later, boom! 0.17.0 :-)

Now doing 'make paranoid-checksum' ...

By the way Jeff, I enjoy GARNOME very much :-) Keep 'em coming dude!

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On Mon, 2002-09-23 at 11:02, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> GARNOME 0.17.0: "Next Big Thing"
> ================================
> 
> GARNOME - the bad-ass, bleeding edge GNOME distribution for testers and
> tweakers everywhere. If you're dying to test the latest GNOME 2.0 Desktop
> releases, but don't want to fall into the depraved addictions and
> co-dependencies of testing from anonymous CVS, then GARNOME is for you.
> 
> [ In other words, GARNOME is a build system for GNOME 2.x which includes the
> developer platform and desktop releases, as well as a host of other software
> ported to the GNOME 2.x platform. Everything is as easy to build as 'make
> install'. We call it a 'distribution' because it's sanity-tested and often
> patched before release, for your convenience and enjoyment. ;-) ]
> 
> 
> What's New?
> -----------
> 
>   - New: Balsa! [ Should have been added a while back, but I waited for a
> 	new release as the previous one wasn't very G2Dish... But, um, I guess
> 	they're just not going for G2D-ish after all. :-) ]
>   
>   - New: gworldclock - a very simple multiple-timezone clock
>   
>   - New: Fresh acme release with more support for PCs. Yay!
>   
>   - Updated: New GStreamer release!
>   
>   - Fixed: Splashscreen no longer refers to Preview 8. ;-) [ Needed
> 	checksum, thanks to Jan Schmidt. ]
>   
>   - Fixed: Point to new FTP directories.
>   
>   - Fixed: Remove our gimp-print brain damage.
>   
>   - No longer include bzipped patch for redhat-artwork, because we want to
> 	keep binary files out of the tree.
>  
> 
> Where Do I Get It?
> ------------------
> 
> The tarball and documentation [1] are available on the GARNOME website:
> 
>   http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/garnome/
> 
> 
> Enjoy G2D and GARNOME. :-)
> 
> - Jeff
> 
> 
> [1] People who don't read the documentation tend to look pretty silly on
> garnome-list and in #garnome.
> 
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>                       far as films go." - Cody Russell                      
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On Mon, 2002-09-23 at 13:02, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> GARNOME 0.17.0: "Next Big Thing"
> ================================

Stand back!

I notice that there still is no "export BUILD_CLEAN" in the gar.conf.mk
file.

Do some shells not need this?

Is there some way to stop the KDE stuff from being included in a "make
paranoid-garchive" or having a gnome only target.

Don't want to sound too single-minded it's just such a big download...



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> Stand back!
> 
> I notice that there still is no "export BUILD_CLEAN" in the gar.conf.mk
> file.

See the large export lines at the bottom of gar.conf.mk.

> Is there some way to stop the KDE stuff from being included in a "make
> paranoid-garchive" or having a gnome only target.

Delete the kde directory. :-)

- Jeff

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On Mon, 2002-09-23 at 14:10, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> See the large export lines at the bottom of gar.conf.mk.

Ooops!  Sorry!

> Delete the kde directory. :-)

Trying that...tah!

P.S. Problem with downloading gal2 - wrong location, will send an update
in a mo when I've been through the whole make paranoid-garchive...


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On Mon, 2002-09-23 at 13:02, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> GARNOME 0.17.0: "Next Big Thing"
> ================================

Gal2 libraries should be at (line split by evo):

    http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/gal2-0/0.0/gal2-0-0.0.6.tar.bz2

Also, Md5check for gst-plugins is different for me:

    $ md5sum gstreamer/gst-plugins/download/gst-plugins-0.4.1.tar.bz2 
    9b190733771be21bf8bf18971a652955 
    gstreamer/gst-plugins/download/gst-plugins-0.4.1.tar.bz2
    
versus

    6de1255082d5cf5dddfd3686f0b383e2  download/gst-plugins-0.4.1.tar.bz2


I've downloaded it twice with the same result.

I'll temporarily change the checksum and cont...

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Has anyone gotten garnome started with kdm in suse 8? 

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> Gal2 libraries should be at (line split by evo):
> 
>     http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/gal2-0/0.0/gal2-0-0.0.6.tar.bz2

Thanks, borky release name didn't quite fit with the conversion. ;-)

> Also, Md5check for gst-plugins is different for me:
> 
>     $ md5sum gstreamer/gst-plugins/download/gst-plugins-0.4.1.tar.bz2 
>     9b190733771be21bf8bf18971a652955 
>     gstreamer/gst-plugins/download/gst-plugins-0.4.1.tar.bz2
>     
> versus
> 
>     6de1255082d5cf5dddfd3686f0b383e2  download/gst-plugins-0.4.1.tar.bz2

Gar. Thomas re-released with the same version number, but I can't claim that
I didn't know. I just forgot to update it. :-)

Thanks, point release coming out with your name on it. :-)

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Hi!

I'm using garnome 0.14.1 for a while now...
I wanted to know if it is possible to install the new garnome version
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> I'm using garnome 0.14.1 for a while now...
> I wanted to know if it is possible to install the new garnome version
> without losing any files?

Go for it, but I strongly recommend installing to a new prefix, or removing
your old one.

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Hello,
After several attempts to install Gnome 2.0.2 with garnome 0.16.1 I
tried with 0.17.0. I've proved that all necessary libs and apps are
installed as listed on the garnome-homepage and had at this point of
installation about 1.6GB free hdd-space, but got the
following-error-message: 

In file includes from porperties.c:39:
/usr/inlude/apm.h:69: parse error before *
/usr/include/apm.h:69:warning: data definition has no type or storage
class
make [4]: *** [proerties.o] error 1
make [4]: leaving directory
/work/garnome-0.17.0/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/battstat
make[3]: *** [al-recursive] error 1
make[3]: leaving directory
>>/work/garnome-0.17.0/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/battstat
make [2] *** [all-recursive] error 2
make[2]: leaving directory >>
/work/garnome-0.17.0/gnome/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3<<
make *** [all-reccursive-am] error 2
make[1]: leaving directory
>>/work/garnome-0.17.0/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3
make: *** [build.work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/Makefile] error 2


Can someone help me to understand this error-mesage and perhaps give me
some information on how to solve the problem?

Many thanks in advance.

Matthias


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(this was supposed to be mailed from *this* email address, not my other 
one.  Excuse me if it ends up being duplicated.  Need to fix my Netscape 
configuration).




Compiling 0.17.1 under Cygwin, I eventually get this message during the
install for glib 2.0.6:


============================
*** Warning: This library needs some functionality provided by
../glib/libglib-2.0.la.
*** I have the capability to make that library automatically link in when
*** you link to this library.  But I can only do this if you have a
*** shared version of the library, which you do not appear to have.
libtool: link: warning: `/lib/libintl.la' seems to be moved
rm -fr .libs/libgobject-2.0.la .libs/libgobject-2.0.* .libs/libgobject-2.0.*
============================


It has already made it's way through the ./glib files, and seems to have
   run OK there.  But once it gets to the ./work/glib-2.0.6/gobject/*.c
files, I get this error at the beginning, then a long string of
"undefined reference" errors  (such as below):


============================
generating symbol list for `libgobject-2.0.la'
   dlltool --export-all --exclude-symbols
DllMain@12,_cygwin_dll_entry@12,_cygwin_noncygwin_dll_entry@12,DllMainCRTStartup@12,DllEntryPoint@12 

--output-def .libs/cyggobject-2.0-0.dll-def  gboxed.lo gclosure.lo
genums.lo gobject.lo gparam.lo gparamspecs.lo gsignal.lo
gsourceclosure.lo gtype.lo gtypemodule.lo gtypeplugin.lo gvalue.lo
gvaluearray.lo gvaluetransform.lo gvaluetypes.lo
   sed -e "1,/EXPORTS/d" -e "s/ @ [0-9]*//" -e "s/ *;.*$//" <
.libs/cyggobject-2.0-0.dll-def > .libs/libgobject-2.0.exp
if test "x`head -1 .libs/libgobject-2.0.exp`" = xEXPORTS; then cp
.libs/libgobject-2.0.exp .libs/cyggobject-2.0-0.dll-def; else echo
EXPORTS > .libs/cyggobject-2.0-0.dll-def; _lt_hint=1; cat
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$# in 2) echo " $2 @ $_lt_hint ; " >> .libs/cyggobject-2.0-0.dll-def;;
*) echo " $2 @ $_lt_hint $3 ; " >> .libs/cyggobject-2.0-0.dll-def;;
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-Wl,-e,__cygwin_dll_entry@12 -o .libs/cyggobject-2.0-0.dll  gboxed.lo
gclosure.lo genums.lo gobject.lo gparam.lo gparamspecs.lo gsignal.lo
gsourceclosure.lo gtype.lo gtypemodule.lo gtypeplugin.lo gvalue.lo
gvaluearray.lo gvaluetransform.lo gvaluetypes.lo  -L/usr/lib -L/lib
-L/opt/garnome/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib .libs/libimp-cygintl-2.a
.libs/libimp-cygiconv-2.a
gboxed.lo: In function `value_copy':
/d/Archives/cygwin.other/garnome/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/gobject/gboxed.c:70: 

undefined reference to `g_malloc0'
gboxed.lo: In function `value_free':
/d/Archives/cygwin.other/garnome/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/gobject/gboxed.c:87: 

undefined reference to `g_free'
gboxed.lo: In function `gstring_copy':
============================

and so forth, until it fails out at:


============================
/d/Archives/cygwin.other/garnome/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/gobject/gvaluetypes.c:871: 

undefined reference to `g_strdup'
gvaluetypes.lo: In function `g_pointer_type_register_static':
/d/Archives/cygwin.other/garnome/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/gobject/gvaluetypes.c:898: 

undefined reference to `g_log'
/usr/lib/libcygwin.a(libcmain.o)(.text+0x81): undefined reference to
`WinMain@16'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[7]: *** [libgobject-2.0.la] Error 1
============================



Does that shared library error earlier on have something to do with
this?  (I have a log file of the entire run, including the errors, if it
would be of any use to anyone).





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Hi, I run into a strange error building the latest
garnome (0.17.1) on a Pentium 4 Red Hat 7.3 machine
with gcc 3.2.  Actually I am having the same problem
with all recent versions of garnome (since about
0.16.0).  I have gcc 3.2 installed in a non-standard
place (in /share/software/gcc-3.2/installed/bin).  I
force the use of gcc 3.2 via the environment variables
PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH.

This are the error messages:

.
.
.
[===== NOW BUILDING:	glib-2.0.6	=====]
	[fetch] complete for glib.
	[checksum] complete for glib.
	[extract] complete for glib.
	[patch] complete for glib.
 ==> Building gnome/pkgconfig as a dependency
 ==> Building gnome/gtk-doc as a dependency
	[configure] complete for glib.
 ==> Running make in work/glib-2.0.6
make[5]: Entering directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6'
make  all-recursive
make[6]: Entering directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6'
Making all in .
make[7]: Entering directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6'
make[7]: Nothing to be done for `all-am'.
make[7]: Leaving directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6'
Making all in m4macros
make[7]: Entering directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/m4macros'
make[7]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[7]: Leaving directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/m4macros'
Making all in glib
make[7]: Entering directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/glib'
Making all in libcharset
make[8]: Entering directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/glib/libcharset'
make[8]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[8]: Leaving directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/glib/libcharset'
make[8]: Entering directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/glib'
make[8]: Nothing to be done for `all-am'.
make[8]: Leaving directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/glib'
make[7]: Leaving directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/glib'
Making all in gobject
make[7]: Entering directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/gobject'
echo "#ifndef __G_MARSHAL_H__" > xgen-gmh \
&& echo "#define __G_MARSHAL_H__" >> xgen-gmh \
&& ./glib-genmarshal --nostdinc
--prefix=g_cclosure_marshal ./gmarshal.list --header
>> xgen-gmh \
&& echo "#endif /* __G_MARSHAL_H__ */" >> xgen-gmh \
&& (cmp -s xgen-gmh ./gmarshal.h || cp xgen-gmh
./gmarshal.h) \
&& rm -f xgen-gmh xgen-gmh~ \
&& echo timestamp > stamp-gmarshal.h
lt-glib-genmarshal: error while loading shared
libraries: libgcc_s.so.1: cannot open shared object
file: No such file or directory
make[7]: *** [stamp-gmarshal.h] Error 127
make[7]: Leaving directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6/gobject'
make[6]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[6]: Leaving directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6'
make[5]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
make[5]: Leaving directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib/work/glib-2.0.6'
make[4]: *** [build-work/glib-2.0.6/Makefile] Error 2
make[4]: Leaving directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glib'
make[3]: *** [dep-../../gnome/glib] Error 2
make[3]: Leaving directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/atk'
make[2]: *** [dep-../../gnome/atk] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/gtk+'
make[1]: *** [dep-../../gnome/gtk+] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/share3/gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/metacity'
make: *** [dep-../../gnome/metacity] Error 2

My environment variables:

%echo $PATH
/share/software/gcc-3.2/installed/bin:/share/software/gnome2/installed/bin:/share/software/gnome/installed/bin:/home/atai/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin

%echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH
/share/software/gcc-3.2/installed/lib:/share/software/gnome2/installed/lib:/share/software/gcc-3.2/installed/lib:/share/software/gnome/installed/lib:/usr/local/bin


If I go into the glib directory and do ./configure &&
make && make install there, it works.

gcc 3.2 works otherwise on this system; I compiled a
lot of other software like latest samba and Linux
kernel on this configuration and they all work.

My binutils version is 2.13.

This may be a bug in GAR, or gcc, instead of garnome,
but I post it here first so if any garnome users can
help me solving this problem, that would be greatly
appreciated.

Andy

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> Hi, I run into a strange error building the latest garnome (0.17.1) on a
> Pentium 4 Red Hat 7.3 machine with gcc 3.2. Actually I am having the same
> problem with all recent versions of garnome (since about 0.16.0).  I have
> gcc 3.2 installed in a non-standard place (in
> /share/software/gcc-3.2/installed/bin).  I force the use of gcc 3.2 via
> the environment variables PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH.

I'd wager it's gcc, which looks homebuilt, rather than from your distro. Try
building with your distro-supplied gcc instead.

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Thanks for the reply.  With Red Hat 7, the distro
compiler is gcc 2.96.  So you can see that I try to
avoid it...

I wonder if anyone else successfully used gcc 3.2 with
Garnome.  For these people, where do you install your
gcc 3.2?

--- Jeff Waugh  wrote:

> 
> I'd wager it's gcc, which looks homebuilt, rather
> than from your distro. Try
> building with your distro-supplied gcc instead.
> 
> - Jeff
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> Thanks for the reply.  With Red Hat 7, the distro compiler is gcc 2.96.
> So you can see that I try to avoid it...

No, I can't see why. It has small issues with advanced numeric calculations.
It is not broken. Don't believe-- don't believe-- don't believe the hype.

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> I wonder if anyone else successfully used gcc 3.2 with Garnome.  For these
> people, where do you install your gcc 3.2?

I use gcc 3.2 (provided by my distribution) to test GARNOME. It works. The
only issues I've seen with it were related to homebrew systems and homebrew
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OK, I think I find a way to make it work.  
In gar.conf.mk, there is a line
LD_LIBRARY_PATH :=
/lib:$(DESTDIR)$(libdir):$(DESTDIR)$(BUILD_PREFIX)/lib:/lib:/usr/lib:

which does not carry in the existing LD_LIBRARY_PATH
values.  Maybe that line should be changed as 

LD_LIBRARY_PATH :=
/lib:$(DESTDIR)$(libdir):$(DESTDIR)$(BUILD_PREFIX)/lib:/lib:/usr/lib:$(LD_LIBRARY_PATH)

so people using custom (homebrewed) compilers and
environments can have their tools working with
garnome...

--- Jeff Waugh  wrote:
> 
> 
> > Thanks for the reply.  With Red Hat 7, the distro
> compiler is gcc 2.96.
> > So you can see that I try to avoid it...
> 
> No, I can't see why. It has small issues with
> advanced numeric calculations.
> It is not broken. Don't believe-- don't believe--
> don't believe the hype.
> 
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>   I'm the epitome - a public enemy
>   Used, abused without clues
>   I refused to blow a fuse
>   They even had it on the news
>   Don't believe the hype!
> 
> - Jeff

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On Monday 23 September 2002 19:55, Andy Tai wrote:
>Thanks for the reply.  With Red Hat 7, the distro
>compiler is gcc 2.96.  So you can see that I try to
>avoid it...

The question though is why?  If you have been keeping the system 
up2date, then the installed version s/b 2.96-112, and thats quite 
capable AFAIK.  I had gcc-3.2 in for a while, but finally ripped it 
back out because it couldn't find the installed qt-3.0.4 lbs when 
there were 4 of them installed here & there.  Lifes too short to 
screw with such headaches.

>I wonder if anyone else successfully used gcc 3.2 with
>Garnome.  For these people, where do you install your
>gcc 3.2?
>
>--- Jeff Waugh  wrote:
>> I'd wager it's gcc, which looks homebuilt, rather
>> than from your distro. Try
>> building with your distro-supplied gcc instead.
>>
>> - Jeff
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Hi James,

I haven't tried building GNOME2 for CygWin, but I do know that there are at 
least two GNOME ports to CygWin+X out there:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/steven.obrien2/
http://www.geocities.co.jp/SiliconValley/1596/en/cygwin.html#GnomeHello-0.1

I don't know how far the GNOME2 progress is (or if work is even beyond the 
planning stage), but it would be great if that work (and the work of the 
MacOSX fink port of GNOME2) could be folded into GARNOME so that those 
platform ports would be always up to date and so GARNOME could become even 
more popular.

You might try and talk to one of the porters and ask for advice or have them 
post here if they need any input on how the GARNOME port works.

Best of luck,
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I get the following error when compiling gnome-hacker-tools:

.....
gda-mysql-provider.c:1094: conflicting types for
`g_type_check_instance_cast'
/home/roku/garnome/include/glib-2.0/gobject/gtype.h:319: previous
declaration of `g_type_check_instance_cast'
gda-mysql-provider.c:1094: warning: type defaults to `int' in
declaration of `gda_data_model_get_type'
gda-mysql-provider.c:1094: conflicting types for
`gda_data_model_get_type'
../../libgda/gda-data-model.h:73: previous declaration of
`gda_data_model_get_type'
gda-mysql-provider.c:1094: parse error before `)'
gda-mysql-provider.c:1097: parse error before `('
gda-mysql-provider.c:1097: warning: type defaults to `int' in
declaration of `gda_value_free'
gda-mysql-provider.c:1097: `gda_value_free' redeclared as different kind
of symbol
../../libgda/gda-value.h:134: previous declaration of `gda_value_free'
gda-mysql-provider.c:1097: parse error before `void'
gda-mysql-provider.c:1098: warning: type defaults to `int' in
declaration of `g_list_free'
gda-mysql-provider.c:1098: warning: parameter names (without types) in
function declaration
gda-mysql-provider.c:1098: conflicting types for `g_list_free'
/home/roku/garnome/include/glib-2.0/glib/glist.h:48: previous
declaration of `g_list_free'
gda-mysql-provider.c:1098: warning: data definition has no type or
storage classgda-mysql-provider.c:1099: parse error before `}'
gda-mysql-provider.c:1101: warning: type defaults to `int' in
declaration of `mysql_free_result'
gda-mysql-provider.c:1101: warning: parameter names (without types) in
function declaration
gda-mysql-provider.c:1101: warning: data definition has no type or
storage classgda-mysql-provider.c:1103: parse error before `return'
make[7]: *** [gda-mysql-provider.lo] Error 1
make[7]: Leaving directory
`/home/roku/tmp/installed/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/libgda/work/libgda-0.8.193/providers/mysql'
make[6]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[6]: Leaving directory
`/home/roku/tmp/installed/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/libgda/work/libgda-0.8.193/providers'
make[5]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[5]: Leaving directory
`/home/roku/tmp/installed/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/libgda/work/libgda-0.8.193'
make[4]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
make[4]: Leaving directory
`/home/roku/tmp/installed/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/libgda/work/libgda-0.8.193'
make[3]: *** [build-work/libgda-0.8.193/Makefile] Error 2
make[3]: Leaving directory
`/home/roku/tmp/installed/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/libgda'
make[2]: *** [dep-../../gnome/libgda] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/home/roku/tmp/installed/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/libgnomedb'
make[1]: *** [dep-../../gnome/libgnomedb] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/home/roku/tmp/installed/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glade'make: ***
[dep-../../gnome/glade] Error 2
roku@gideon:~/tmp/installed/garnome-0.17.1/meta/gno

------------------------

The same, if I try to compile gnome-office. Its always a problem with
libgda.



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> LD_LIBRARY_PATH :=
> /lib:$(DESTDIR)$(libdir):$(DESTDIR)$(BUILD_PREFIX)/lib:/lib:/usr/lib:$(LD_LIBRARY_PATH)

Sweet, ta, will be added to next release.

- Jeff

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   it as good as the Macintosh.  To try to be like Windows is to try for    
                      second-best." - Richard Stallman                      

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Hey guys,

I know my problem is a wrong version of MySQL-client and MYSQL-devel.
I tried version 3.23 and 4.0 but I still get errors (something about the
mystrings.so stuff)...
Finally I tried to deinstall all MySQL stuff and recompiled the libgda
stuff, successfully :)

Can anyone tell me what the right MySQL setup is to get libgda compiled
?

-- 

Gruss,

	Rolf





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Everytime I try to compile a garnoome version since 0.15.x I get an
error message, that index.sgml file located in DOC/C/html cannot be
found. See below for a detailed error msg.
My workaround is to craete a file with that name in the given directory
without any content, and it works.
This happens when compiling gnomedb or libgda for example.

Is there anybody with the same feature ?

---------------
/usr/bin/install: cannot stat `./html/index.sgml': No such file or
directory
make[6]: *** [install-data-local] Error 1
make[6]: Leaving directory
`/home/roku/tmp/installed/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/libgnomedb/work/libgnomedb-0.8.193/doc/C'
make[5]: *** [install-am] Error 2
make[5]: Leaving directory
`/home/roku/tmp/installed/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/libgnomedb/work/libgnomedb-0.8.193/doc/C'
make[4]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
make[4]: Leaving directory
`/home/roku/tmp/installed/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/libgnomedb/work/libgnomedb-0.8.193/doc'
make[3]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory
`/home/roku/tmp/installed/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/libgnomedb/work/libgnomedb-0.8.193'
make[2]: *** [install-work/libgnomedb-0.8.193/Makefile] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/home/roku/tmp/installed/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/libgnomedb'
make[1]: *** [dep-../../gnome/libgnomedb] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/home/roku/tmp/installed/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/glade'

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Gruss,

	Rolf





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I've looked at those 2 projects, and besides that I have yet to get a 
successful compile on them, I also wanted to try and get Gnome 2 
running.  Working with Garnome is an experiment to see if it can be 
done, as well as gain some program troubleshooting experience in the 
process.

Even Steven Obrien on his site says he'd like to concentrate less on 
Gnome 1.4 & more on 2.0x.


Robert Devi wrote:
> Hi James,
> 
> I haven't tried building GNOME2 for CygWin, but I do know that there are 
> at least two GNOME ports to CygWin+X out there:



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Hey Jeff & Garnomer's.

Now that school's started again I find myself very busy with things not 
Gnome. I'd love to stay current with my Garnome builds but I don't want 
it to be a chore. I notice myself not reading the majority of mail on 
this list.

I'm wondering if the gnome.org list manager would be kind enough to 
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posted here could be cc'ed.

Is that a reasonable request, Jeff?

Thanks,
--Pat


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Hello All:

I'm Robotito. Yesterday I downloaded garnome 0.17.1, but after downloading 
libgnomeprint and freetype2, i got this error message:

...
Scanning path /home/robotito/garnome/lib/groff/font (recursive)
Unsuccessful stat: /home/robotito/garnome/lib/groff/font
Scanning path /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts
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Scanning path /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/CID (recursive)
Scanning path /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo (recursive)
Scanning path /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1 (recursive)
make[5]: *** [install-data-local] Violación de segmento
make[5]: Saliendo directorio 
`/c/temp/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/libgnomeprint/work/libgnomeprint-1.116.0/installer'
make[4]: *** [install-am] Error 2
make[4]: Saliendo directorio 
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make[3]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
make[3]: Saliendo directorio 
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make[2]: *** [install-work/libgnomeprint-1.116.0/Makefile] Error 2
make[2]: Saliendo directorio `/c/temp/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/libgnomeprint'
make[1]: *** [dep-../../gnome/libgnomeprint] Error 2
make[1]: Saliendo directorio `/c/temp/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/eog'
make: *** [dep-../../gnome/eog] Error 2


What would it be? I have RedHat 7.3 upgraded from 7.2, and make-installing 
garnome as a normal user.

Help would be grateful.


Saludos,

Luis Julian.





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Por la Fe y la Razon. I.E.S.T.

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Is it possible to build garnome without building any of the KDE
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> Is it possible to build garnome without building any of the KDE
> components?

Yes. Build the meta garballs (as described on the website), or other GNOME
garballs individually if you choose.

- Jeff

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> I'm wondering if the gnome.org list manager would be kind enough to 
> create a garnome-announce list where the latest release eMail normally 
> posted here could be cc'ed.
> 
> Is that a reasonable request, Jeff?

You can subscribe to gnome-announce-list. I send GARNOME announcements
there. We're not all that fond of making new lists all the time, and I'd
prefer to keep just the one for GARNOME.

Thanks,

- Jeff

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> Everytime I try to compile a garnoome version since 0.15.x I get an
> error message, that index.sgml file located in DOC/C/html cannot be
> found. See below for a detailed error msg.
> My workaround is to craete a file with that name in the given directory
> without any content, and it works.
> This happens when compiling gnomedb or libgda for example.

Yeah, happens to everyone. Just make install again, or touch the file.

- Jeff

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or install gtk-doc tools or something.  read the FAQ for libgda, it's in
there.  it's a make problem, but seen during make install.  for debian
install the package gtk-doc-tools

regards,
Sean

PS I sent an e-mail about this a few weeks ago.

On Wed, 25 Sep 2002, Jeff Waugh wrote:

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>
> > Everytime I try to compile a garnoome version since 0.15.x I get an
> > error message, that index.sgml file located in DOC/C/html cannot be
> > found. See below for a detailed error msg.
> > My workaround is to craete a file with that name in the given directory
> > without any content, and it works.
> > This happens when compiling gnomedb or libgda for example.
>
> Yeah, happens to everyone. Just make install again, or touch the file.
>
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> or install gtk-doc tools or something.  read the FAQ for libgda, it's in
> there.  it's a make problem, but seen during make install.  for debian
> install the package gtk-doc-tools

GARNOME installs gtk-doc, but the libgnomedb libraries don't respect
--disable-gtk-doc (which is used across the board in GARNOME builds).

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Hi Guys,

I am using garnome 0.17.1 and I am getting a compile error when I get to ye=
lp-1.0.6 the error is as follows:

usr/local/garnome/include -I/usr/local/garnome/include/freetype2 -I/usr/loc=
al/garnome/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/garnome/lib/glib-2.0/include   -D_=
REENTRANT -DORBIT2=3D1 -I/usr/local/garnome/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/lo=
cal/garnome/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/garnome/include/bonobo-a=
ctivation-2.0 -I/usr/local/garnome/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/garnome/li=
b/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/garnome/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/garn=
ome/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/garnome/include/linc-1.0 -I/usr/local/garn=
ome/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/garnome/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/=
local/garnome/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/garnome/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -=
I/usr/local/garnome/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/garnome/include=
/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/garnome/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/garnome/inclu=
de/libbonoboui-2.0 -I/usr/local/garnome/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/garn=
ome/include -I/usr/local/garnome/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/garnome/lib=
/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/garnome/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/X11R6/include =
  -I/usr/local/garnome/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -L/usr/local/garnome/li=
b -L/usr/X11R6/lib -O2 -pipe -g -I/usr/local/garnome/include -I/usr/X11R6/i=
nclude -L/usr/local/garnome/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib -O2 -pipe -Wall -Wno-unini=
tialized -Wchar-subscripts -Wmissing-declarations -Wmissing-prototypes -Wne=
sted-externs -Wpointer-arith         -Wno-sign-compare -Wsign-promo -c yelp=
-window.c
yelp-window.c: In function `window_populate':
yelp-window.c:265: `gettext' undeclared (first use in this function)
yelp-window.c:265: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
yelp-window.c:265: for each function it appears in.)
make[4]: *** [yelp-window.o] Error 1
make[4]: Leaving directory `/home/matjc/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/yelp/work/yelp=
-1.0.6/src'
make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/matjc/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/yelp/work/yelp=
-1.0.6'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/matjc/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/yelp/work/yelp=
-1.0.6'
make[1]: *** [build-work/yelp-1.0.6/Makefile] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/matjc/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/yelp'
make: *** [dep-../../gnome/yelp] Error 2

Is anyone able to tell me how I can fix this please there doesnt seam to be=
 any problems with the configure of this ..

thanks
Toby.

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> yelp-window.c: In function `window_populate':
> yelp-window.c:265: `gettext' undeclared (first use in this function)
> yelp-window.c:265: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
> yelp-window.c:265: for each function it appears in.)

> Is anyone able to tell me how I can fix this please there doesnt seam to
> be any problems with the configure of this ..

Got gettext?

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Greetings Garnomers,
Thanks for your previous help. I decided to reinstall garnome this time t=
o=20
/opt/garnome. It seems to be happy there with no error messages on=20
completion. Now  my question.
I'm running Mandrake 8.2 on i686 - 791meg  processor - 512meg of RAM
Can I have Garnome configured so that it is one of the choices in the men=
u of=20
the login screen as is KDE 2 -KDE 3 -GNOME 1.4 - ENLIGHTENMENT etc.
If it's possible then "How do I do it?"
If it's not possible then "What's the best way to run and use it?"
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Hi,

During my attempts to get garnome-0.17.1 installed on SuSE 8.0 the
installation stops while compiling and installing gnome-applets with the
following message, which I am unable to understand. 
The pasted message could contain some mistakes, because of the fact I
had to translate it from german to english manually.
I would be happy to get some help in order to understand its sense.

Many thanks,

Matthias



Here is the error-message:
__________________________________________________________________________
Making all in descs   
make [5]: changing directory directory <>AM_armeninan.keygroup<< needed
by >>al-am<<.stop  
make [5]: leaving directory directory
>>work/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome/applets-2.0.3/gkb-new/descs<<     
make [4] *** [all-recursive] error 1   
make [4]: leaving directory directory
/work/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/gkb-new<<     
make [3]: *** [all-recursive] error 1       
make [3]: leaving directory directory
_>>/work/garnome-1.17.1/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3>>     make [2]: *** [all-recursive] error 2    
make [2]: leaving directory directory
>>/work/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/gnome-applets/work/gnome-applets-2.0.3       
make [1]: *** [build-work/gnome-applets-2.0.3/Makefile] error 2    
make [1] leaving directory directory
>>/work/garnome-0.17.1/gnome/gnome-applets<< 
make: *** [dep-../../gnome/gnome-applets] error 2
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Check out my email on integrating gdm2 into Mandrake. It also explains
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http://mail.gnome.org/archives/garnome-list/2002-September/msg00028.html

-A.

ke, 25-09-2002 kello 15:45, Richard Bond kirjoitti:
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Hello: In garnome 0.17.1 et al. the Workspace Switcher applet is not
working for me. All I want to do is go from 1 workspace to 8 workspaces.
So I try to use help but it crashes on me and so I try to file a bug
report with Bug Buddy. Where I have to type in what happened I am not
able to do any typing in the Bug Buddy form. So after someone updates
their garnome do they have problems with the above applet?

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On Thu, 2002-09-26 at 08:48, Michael Dewey wrote:
> Hello: In garnome 0.17.1 et al. the Workspace Switcher applet is not
> working for me. All I want to do is go from 1 workspace to 8 workspaces.
> So I try to use help but it crashes on me and so I try to file a bug
> report with Bug Buddy. Where I have to type in what happened I am not
> able to do any typing in the Bug Buddy form. So after someone updates
> their garnome do they have problems with the above applet?
>=20

Running garnome 0.17.1 I have no problems with that applet. (I am also
using vbs on top of garnome, but only to compile libgnomeprint*,
libguppi, and gnumeric from cvs. THat shouldn't affect the behaviour of
that applet.)

Andreas


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From rons@ronsmits.com  Thu Sep 26 11:14:02 2002
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Subject: Re: workspace switcher applet and bug buddy
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Hmmz

It only crashed on my when using sawfish, After switching to metacity it
worked like a charm.

Hope this helps

Ron

On Thu, 2002-09-26 at 17:00, Andreas J. Guelzow wrote:
> On Thu, 2002-09-26 at 08:48, Michael Dewey wrote:
> > Hello: In garnome 0.17.1 et al. the Workspace Switcher applet is not
> > working for me. All I want to do is go from 1 workspace to 8 workspaces.
> > So I try to use help but it crashes on me and so I try to file a bug
> > report with Bug Buddy. Where I have to type in what happened I am not
> > able to do any typing in the Bug Buddy form. So after someone updates
> > their garnome do they have problems with the above applet?
> > 
> 
> Running garnome 0.17.1 I have no problems with that applet. (I am also
> using vbs on top of garnome, but only to compile libgnomeprint*,
> libguppi, and gnumeric from cvs. THat shouldn't affect the behaviour of
> that applet.)
> 
> Andreas
> 



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Hello!

I can't find the good old each and paranoid_each in the latest garnome 
distribution.
Is there another way now to accomplish what they did?

Thanks,
Robert


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On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 18:01, Robert Staudinger wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> I can't find the good old each and paranoid_each in the latest garnome 
> distribution.
> Is there another way now to accomplish what they did?

There is a makefile in the toplevel directory. This can be used for
things like:

make install

make paranoid-extract

etc...

Cheers
Jens


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Hi, this doesn't seem to be fixed in 0.17.1.

Larry

Jeff Waugh wrote:

>
>
>  
>
>>Any particular reason LD_LIBRARY_PATH changed in gar.conf.mk 0.15.1?
>>    
>>
>
>Yeah, I brought it in from upstream. I didn't expect it to cause many
>problems, but I can understand it would cause issues on commercial *nixes.
>
>Will remove it for 0.15.1, thanks,
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> Hi, this doesn't seem to be fixed in 0.17.1.

Will be in the next, thanks.

- Jeff

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Hello,

I know this subject has come up quite a bit (gdm and garnome) but none
of the past posts seem to address this issue.  So...

I have just installed garnome 0.17.1 and set up gdm to run.  I added
the required LD_LIBRARY_PATH et. all to the
"$HOME/garnome/etc/gdm/gnomerc" file and logged in via gdm.  It works
great!  There is only one exception between simply using the
".xsession" file and gdm: the font size.  When I use the ".xsession"
file via startx the font "Sans 10" is of proper size to see on my
1600x1200 display.  But when I log in via gdm the size 10 font looks
small and I have to increase the font size to 14.  

Is this an expected behavior, or is gdm doing something wrong in the
startup.  Garnome seems to run fine in every other respect...

Thanks
Parrish

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From pat@suwalski.net  Sun Sep 29 13:58:52 2002
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Could this have something to do with which resolution it's using?

Last I looked at my kdm file it was starting at a 100 dpi, while when I 
ran from bash it started at 72, because startx executed 'X -dpi ...'.

--Pat

Parrish M Myers wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I know this subject has come up quite a bit (gdm and garnome) but none
> of the past posts seem to address this issue.  So...
> 
> I have just installed garnome 0.17.1 and set up gdm to run.  I added
> the required LD_LIBRARY_PATH et. all to the
> "$HOME/garnome/etc/gdm/gnomerc" file and logged in via gdm.  It works
> great!  There is only one exception between simply using the
> ".xsession" file and gdm: the font size.  When I use the ".xsession"
> file via startx the font "Sans 10" is of proper size to see on my
> 1600x1200 display.  But when I log in via gdm the size 10 font looks
> small and I have to increase the font size to 14.  
> 
> Is this an expected behavior, or is gdm doing something wrong in the
> startup.  Garnome seems to run fine in every other respect...
> 
> Thanks
> Parrish
> 
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From parrishmyers@yahoo.com  Sun Sep 29 14:51:48 2002
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Wow, your right!

I checked the resolution difference between startx and gdm... aparently
gdm starts the X server in 72 dpi while startx starts the server in
100.  Go figure.  I simply added the '-dpi 100' option to the X command
in the gdm config file (don't know if this is the right place to do
this... but it works).

Thank you.

--- Pat Suwalski  wrote:
> Could this have something to do with which resolution it's using?
> 
> Last I looked at my kdm file it was starting at a 100 dpi, while when
> I 
> ran from bash it started at 72, because startx executed 'X -dpi ...'.
> 
> --Pat
> 
> Parrish M Myers wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I know this subject has come up quite a bit (gdm and garnome) but
> none
> > of the past posts seem to address this issue.  So...
> > 
> > I have just installed garnome 0.17.1 and set up gdm to run.  I
> added
> > the required LD_LIBRARY_PATH et. all to the
> > "$HOME/garnome/etc/gdm/gnomerc" file and logged in via gdm.  It
> works
> > great!  There is only one exception between simply using the
> > ".xsession" file and gdm: the font size.  When I use the
> ".xsession"
> > file via startx the font "Sans 10" is of proper size to see on my
> > 1600x1200 display.  But when I log in via gdm the size 10 font
> looks
> > small and I have to increase the font size to 14.  
> > 
> > Is this an expected behavior, or is gdm doing something wrong in
> the
> > startup.  Garnome seems to run fine in every other respect...
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Parrish
> > 
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hey Jeff,
Do you think you could mention in the docs somewhere that you need guile
to build aisleriot or something?  I just found out that I was running the
old version, so I wanted to try out the new one.  It's really buggy.  it
would be nice if the garnome users could test it out a little.  I found
two crashing bugs so far.

Thanks,
Sean


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Hello

I finished a patch for building rpm packages from garnome-0.17.1.
The packages created are the ones under gnome and misc subdirectories. 
Others will follow soon.

The patch is available at:

http://www.rcsnet.net/pub/Gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/patches/garnome-package-0.17.1.patch

The packages:

http://www.rcsnet.net/pub/Gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/SRPMS/
http://www.rcsnet.net/pub/Gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/RPMS/i386
http://www.rcsnet.net/pub/Gnome2/garnome-0.17.1/RPMS/noarch

The packages for garnome-0.15.0 are also available under
http://www.rcsnet.net/pub/Gnome2/garnome-0.15.0

Please take care when using binary packages (my build host is far from 
being a standard redhat ...) ...

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