From david at freeknowledge.eu Tue Apr 1 14:09:23 2008 From: david at freeknowledge.eu (David Jacovkis) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:09:23 +0200 Subject: [Ekiga-list] freeze with Microdia webcam Message-ID: <47F24213.3010109@freeknowledge.eu> Hi all, I'm running Ekiga 2.0.11 on Debian lenny and it works fine. It worked well with the webcam too, but after an update of the webcam module (uvcvideo), ekiga now freezes if the camera is connected. If I start ekiga while the camera is disconnected, it works without problems. But as soon as I connect it, ekiga's CPU usage jumps to 100% and the GUI stops responding. However, if I unplug the camera things go back to normal after a couple of seconds. I even get to see the last frame captured by the webcam before the jumping ball image replaces it. I use the V4L2 plugin, and Ekiga detects the webcam as a "USB 2.0 camera".The new driver seems to work well with other apps like xawtv and luvcview. Thanks, David *System details* ~# uname -r 2.6.24-1-686 ~$ ekiga --version GNOME ekiga 2.0.11 ~$ dmesg|grep uvcvideo uvcvideo: Found UVC 1.00 device USB 2.0 Camera (0c45:62c0) ~# lsusb|grep Microdia Bus 007 Device 028: ID 0c45:62c0 Microdia ~# lsmod|grep uvcvideo uvcvideo 52104 0 compat_ioctl32 1408 1 uvcvideo videodev 26304 1 uvcvideo v4l1_compat 12580 2 uvcvideo,videodev v4l2_common 16608 2 uvcvideo,videodev usbcore 132940 7 uvcvideo,usb_storage,usbhid,hci_usb,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd From dlw_insulin at hotmail.com Tue Apr 1 14:45:08 2008 From: dlw_insulin at hotmail.com (D Webb) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 14:45:08 +0000 Subject: [Ekiga-list] freeze with Microdia webcam In-Reply-To: <47F24213.3010109@freeknowledge.eu> References: <47F24213.3010109@freeknowledge.eu> Message-ID: > But as soon as I connect it, ekiga's > CPU usage jumps to 100% and the GUI stops responding. However, if I unplug the > camera things go back to normal after a couple of seconds. I even get to see the > last frame captured by the webcam before the jumping ball image replaces it. I have seen webcams do this, although not specifically with Ekiga. This happened on older computers with newer software. You have quite recent software. Maybe you are running on some older hardware like a Pentium II? I have solved similar problems by adding some swap. Not much is needed either, maybe a few hundred MB. Dee _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_042008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I need to adapt Ekiga tonight... -- _ Damien Sandras (o- //\ Ekiga Softphone : http://www.ekiga.org/ v_/_ NOVACOM : http://www.novacom.be/ FOSDEM : http://www.fosdem.org/ SIP Phone : sip:dsandras at ekiga.net From emmanuel.frecon at familyphone.se Tue Apr 1 16:25:04 2008 From: emmanuel.frecon at familyphone.se (Emmanuel Frecon) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 18:25:04 +0200 Subject: [Ekiga-list] [Fwd: Re: [Ekiga-devel-list] OpalConnection missing member] In-Reply-To: <1207066956.17633.0.camel@scorpion> References: <47F25DCC.6010809@familyphone.se> <1207066956.17633.0.camel@scorpion> Message-ID: <47F261E0.1080903@familyphone.se> Damien Sandras wrote: > Le mardi 01 avril 2008 ? 18:07 +0200, Emmanuel Frecon a ?crit : >> Resending here in the hope to get more help... >> >> I have now check and am using all latest SVN versions of the libraries: >> >> svn update says: >> >> opal >> At revision 19877. >> >> ptlib >> At revision 19877 >> >> ekiga >> At revision 6103. >> >> >> I have followed the instructions from the Wiki and cleaned away Opal, >> ptlib and ekiga from my system. 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Name: emmanuel_frecon.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 646 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dsandras at seconix.com Tue Apr 1 19:01:38 2008 From: dsandras at seconix.com (Damien Sandras) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:01:38 +0200 Subject: [Ekiga-list] [Fwd: Re: [Ekiga-devel-list] OpalConnection missing member] In-Reply-To: <47F261E0.1080903@familyphone.se> References: <47F25DCC.6010809@familyphone.se> <1207066956.17633.0.camel@scorpion> <47F261E0.1080903@familyphone.se> Message-ID: <1207076498.4098.0.camel@scorpion> Le mardi 01 avril 2008 ? 18:25 +0200, Emmanuel Frecon a ?crit : > Damien Sandras wrote: > > Le mardi 01 avril 2008 ? 18:07 +0200, Emmanuel Frecon a ?crit : > >> Resending here in the hope to get more help... > >> > >> I have now check and am using all latest SVN versions of the libraries: > >> > >> svn update says: > >> > >> opal > >> At revision 19877. > >> > >> ptlib > >> At revision 19877 > >> > >> ekiga > >> At revision 6103. > >> > >> > >> I have followed the instructions from the Wiki and cleaned away Opal, > >> ptlib and ekiga from my system. Anyone who would have a good idea for a > >> next step? > > > > I have just done a fresh svn checkout. The API has changed this morning. > > I need to adapt Ekiga tonight... > OK. Thanks. Will wait until your update. > I would suggest you to use an older SVN snapshot for OPAL. I have made the required changes, but OPAL does not work anymore, so I won't commit them. They make Ekiga deadlock for each and every call. -- _ Damien Sandras (o- //\ Ekiga Softphone : http://www.ekiga.org/ v_/_ NOVACOM : http://www.novacom.be/ FOSDEM : http://www.fosdem.org/ SIP Phone : sip:dsandras at ekiga.net From dsandras at seconix.com Tue Apr 1 19:57:33 2008 From: dsandras at seconix.com (Damien Sandras) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:57:33 +0200 Subject: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only* Message-ID: <1207079853.4098.11.camel@scorpion> Hello, I just put the news on http://www.ekiga.org : Due to the big popularity of the Microsoft Windows operating system compared to the GNU/Linux desktop, we have decided to put all our efforts on the WIN32 port of Ekiga. Due to the increased amount of work and the lack of spare time, Ekiga 3.00 will only be released for WIN32. While Ekiga 3.00 will stay free (as free beer), it will be the last version to be completely free. From Ekiga 3.20, Ekiga will become a shareware with a small license fee to use either Ekiga or its associated platform Ekiga.net. The money that it will generate will finally allow us to live from our project instead of spending countless hours for free on it. -- _ Damien Sandras (o- //\ Ekiga Softphone : http://www.ekiga.org/ v_/_ NOVACOM : http://www.novacom.be/ FOSDEM : http://www.fosdem.org/ SIP Phone : sip:dsandras at ekiga.net From schoappied at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 20:12:59 2008 From: schoappied at gmail.com (schoappied) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 22:12:59 +0200 Subject: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only* In-Reply-To: <1207079853.4098.11.camel@scorpion> References: <1207079853.4098.11.camel@scorpion> Message-ID: <200804012212.59990.schoappied@gmail.com> On Tuesday 01 April 2008 21:57:33 Damien Sandras wrote: > Hello, > > I just put the news on http://www.ekiga.org : > > Due to the big popularity of the Microsoft Windows operating system > compared to the GNU/Linux desktop, we have decided to put all our > efforts on the WIN32 port of Ekiga. > > Due to the increased amount of work and the lack of spare time, Ekiga > 3.00 will only be released for WIN32. > > While Ekiga 3.00 will stay free (as free beer), it will be the last > version to be completely free. From Ekiga 3.20, Ekiga will become a > shareware with a small license fee to use either Ekiga or its associated > platform Ekiga.net. The money that it will generate will finally allow > us to live from our project instead of spending countless hours for free > on it. how does this news relate to this: http://www.mail-archive.com/ekiga-list%40gnome.org/msg04035.html ? Why should windows users pay for Ekiga if there's skype, voipbuster, and microsoft networking? From damailings at mcbf.net Tue Apr 1 20:24:29 2008 From: damailings at mcbf.net (David Mohr) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 14:24:29 -0600 Subject: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only* In-Reply-To: <200804012212.59990.schoappied@gmail.com> References: <1207079853.4098.11.camel@scorpion> <200804012212.59990.schoappied@gmail.com> Message-ID: <472d4b250804011324j4ee521casccc41e89c860d466@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 2:12 PM, schoappied wrote: > On Tuesday 01 April 2008 21:57:33 Damien Sandras wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I just put the news on http://www.ekiga.org : > > > > Due to the big popularity of the Microsoft Windows operating system > > compared to the GNU/Linux desktop, we have decided to put all our > > efforts on the WIN32 port of Ekiga. > > > > Due to the increased amount of work and the lack of spare time, Ekiga > > 3.00 will only be released for WIN32. > > > > While Ekiga 3.00 will stay free (as free beer), it will be the last > > version to be completely free. From Ekiga 3.20, Ekiga will become a > > shareware with a small license fee to use either Ekiga or its associated > > platform Ekiga.net. The money that it will generate will finally allow > > us to live from our project instead of spending countless hours for free > > on it. > > how does this news relate to this: > http://www.mail-archive.com/ekiga-list%40gnome.org/msg04035.html ? > > Why should windows users pay for Ekiga if there's skype, voipbuster, and > microsoft networking? Obviously because ekiga is much better, and since it's 3.00 it'll come with many new and so far undisclosed features! I'm so looking forward to this, since ekiga has been what previously held me back from finally making the switch from Linux to Windows. Thank you Damien! ~David From dsandras at seconix.com Tue Apr 1 20:25:13 2008 From: dsandras at seconix.com (Damien Sandras) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:25:13 +0200 Subject: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only* In-Reply-To: <200804012212.59990.schoappied@gmail.com> References: <1207079853.4098.11.camel@scorpion> <200804012212.59990.schoappied@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1207081514.4098.19.camel@scorpion> Le mardi 01 avril 2008 ? 22:12 +0200, schoappied a ?crit : > On Tuesday 01 April 2008 21:57:33 Damien Sandras wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I just put the news on http://www.ekiga.org : > > > > Due to the big popularity of the Microsoft Windows operating system > > compared to the GNU/Linux desktop, we have decided to put all our > > efforts on the WIN32 port of Ekiga. > > > > Due to the increased amount of work and the lack of spare time, Ekiga > > 3.00 will only be released for WIN32. > > > > While Ekiga 3.00 will stay free (as free beer), it will be the last > > version to be completely free. From Ekiga 3.20, Ekiga will become a > > shareware with a small license fee to use either Ekiga or its associated > > platform Ekiga.net. The money that it will generate will finally allow > > us to live from our project instead of spending countless hours for free > > on it. > > how does this news relate to this: > http://www.mail-archive.com/ekiga-list%40gnome.org/msg04035.html ? Well, we changed our mind. > Why should windows users pay for Ekiga if there's skype, voipbuster, and > microsoft networking? All of them require to pay at some point... -- _ Damien Sandras (o- //\ Ekiga Softphone : http://www.ekiga.org/ v_/_ NOVACOM : http://www.novacom.be/ FOSDEM : http://www.fosdem.org/ SIP Phone : sip:dsandras at ekiga.net From schoappied at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 20:33:55 2008 From: schoappied at gmail.com (schoappied) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 22:33:55 +0200 Subject: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only* In-Reply-To: <1207081514.4098.19.camel@scorpion> References: <1207079853.4098.11.camel@scorpion> <200804012212.59990.schoappied@gmail.com> <1207081514.4098.19.camel@scorpion> Message-ID: <200804012233.56032.schoappied@gmail.com> On Tuesday 01 April 2008 22:25:13 Damien Sandras wrote: > Le mardi 01 avril 2008 ? 22:12 +0200, schoappied a ?crit : > > On Tuesday 01 April 2008 21:57:33 Damien Sandras wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > I just put the news on http://www.ekiga.org : > > > > > > Due to the big popularity of the Microsoft Windows operating system > > > compared to the GNU/Linux desktop, we have decided to put all our > > > efforts on the WIN32 port of Ekiga. > > > > > > Due to the increased amount of work and the lack of spare time, Ekiga > > > 3.00 will only be released for WIN32. > > > > > > While Ekiga 3.00 will stay free (as free beer), it will be the last > > > version to be completely free. From Ekiga 3.20, Ekiga will become a > > > shareware with a small license fee to use either Ekiga or its > > > associated platform Ekiga.net. The money that it will generate will > > > finally allow us to live from our project instead of spending countless > > > hours for free on it. > > > > how does this news relate to this: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/ekiga-list%40gnome.org/msg04035.html ? > > Well, we changed our mind. > > > Why should windows users pay for Ekiga if there's skype, voipbuster, and > > microsoft networking? > > All of them require to pay at some point... you could also make a shareware version for linux... From palos at post.sk Tue Apr 1 20:32:04 2008 From: palos at post.sk (Palo S.) Date: 01 Apr 2008 22:32:04 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only* Message-ID: <47F29BC4.000001.17495@kamasutra> Excellent news! I completely agree with this move - you discovered a hole in the market! There is just too much competition in VOIP under Linux while in fact all the Windows users just use one (rather crappy and limited) piece of software - apparently nothing better is available. Thus, I am absolutely sure that immediately after the release of Ekiga 3.0 for Windows, the majority of Windows users will adopt 3.0 because no current software for Windows can even touch the functionalities and capabilities of Ekiga 2, not talking about 3. The only major objection I have is that you should be more looking into future and not release WIN32 but rather WIN128. This new platform is going to dominate the world in the coming centuries and it would be a pity if Ekiga lost this market just because it concentrates on the old WIN32. So: release Ekiga 3 for WIN128 only and as shareware only and the success is inevitable. ----- Origin?lna Spr?va ----- Od: Damien Sandras Komu: Ekiga mailing list , ekiga-devel-list Poslan?: 01.04.2008 21:57 Predmet: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only* > Hello, > > I just put the news on http://www.ekiga.org : > > Due to the big popularity of the Microsoft Windows operating system > compared to the GNU/Linux desktop, we have decided to put all our > efforts on the WIN32 port of Ekiga. > > Due to the increased amount of work and the lack of spare time, Ekiga > 3.00 will only be released for WIN32. > > While Ekiga 3.00 will stay free (as free beer), it will be the last > version to be completely free. From Ekiga 3.20, Ekiga will become a > shareware with a small license fee to use either Ekiga or its associated > platform Ekiga.net. The money that it will generate will finally allow > us to live from our project instead of spending countless hours for free > on it. > -- > _ Damien Sandras > (o- > //\\ Ekiga Softphone : http://www.ekiga.org/ > v_/_ NOVACOM : http://www.novacom.be/ > FOSDEM : http://www.fosdem.org/ > SIP Phone : sip:dsandras at ekiga.net > > > _______________________________________________ > ekiga-list mailing list > ekiga-list at gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list > __________ http://www.tahaj.sk - Stiahnite si najnovsie verzie vasich oblubenych programov From TSchlabach at gmx.net Tue Apr 1 22:57:50 2008 From: TSchlabach at gmx.net (Torsten Schlabach) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 00:57:50 +0200 Subject: [Ekiga-list] [Ekiga-devel-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only* In-Reply-To: <1207079853.4098.11.camel@scorpion> References: <1207079853.4098.11.camel@scorpion> Message-ID: <20080401225750.191000@gmx.net> Mhmmm ... 2 hours before the end of April 1st! You got me for some minutes. Regards, Torsten -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:57:33 +0200 > Von: Damien Sandras > An: Ekiga mailing list , ekiga-devel-list > Betreff: [Ekiga-devel-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only* > Hello, > > I just put the news on http://www.ekiga.org : > > Due to the big popularity of the Microsoft Windows operating system > compared to the GNU/Linux desktop, we have decided to put all our > efforts on the WIN32 port of Ekiga. > > Due to the increased amount of work and the lack of spare time, Ekiga > 3.00 will only be released for WIN32. > > While Ekiga 3.00 will stay free (as free beer), it will be the last > version to be completely free. From Ekiga 3.20, Ekiga will become a > shareware with a small license fee to use either Ekiga or its associated > platform Ekiga.net. The money that it will generate will finally allow > us to live from our project instead of spending countless hours for free > on it. > -- > _ Damien Sandras > (o- > //\ Ekiga Softphone : http://www.ekiga.org/ > v_/_ NOVACOM : http://www.novacom.be/ > FOSDEM : http://www.fosdem.org/ > SIP Phone : sip:dsandras at ekiga.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Ekiga-devel-list mailing list > Ekiga-devel-list at gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-devel-list From sam at pagmas.com Tue Apr 1 23:24:07 2008 From: sam at pagmas.com (Sam Lown) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 01:24:07 +0200 Subject: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only* In-Reply-To: <1207079853.4098.11.camel@scorpion> References: <1207079853.4098.11.camel@scorpion> Message-ID: <1207092247.11418.11.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> Hehehehe I actually fell for this for at least a minute! Shareware is sooo 1990s... Happy April Fools Day! sam On Tue, 2008-04-01 at 21:57 +0200, Damien Sandras wrote: > Hello, > > I just put the news on http://www.ekiga.org : > > Due to the big popularity of the Microsoft Windows operating system > compared to the GNU/Linux desktop, we have decided to put all our > efforts on the WIN32 port of Ekiga. > > Due to the increased amount of work and the lack of spare time, Ekiga > 3.00 will only be released for WIN32. > > While Ekiga 3.00 will stay free (as free beer), it will be the last > version to be completely free. From Ekiga 3.20, Ekiga will become a > shareware with a small license fee to use either Ekiga or its associated > platform Ekiga.net. The money that it will generate will finally allow > us to live from our project instead of spending countless hours for free > on it. From dsandras at seconix.com Wed Apr 2 08:25:55 2008 From: dsandras at seconix.com (Damien Sandras) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:25:55 +0200 Subject: [Ekiga-list] [Ekiga-devel-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only* In-Reply-To: <20080401225750.191000@gmx.net> References: <1207079853.4098.11.camel@scorpion> <20080401225750.191000@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1207124755.4244.0.camel@scorpion> Le mercredi 02 avril 2008 ? 00:57 +0200, Torsten Schlabach a ?crit : > Mhmmm ... > > 2 hours before the end of April 1st! > > You got me for some minutes. > It was indeed an April Fool ;-) -- _ Damien Sandras (o- //\ Ekiga Softphone : http://www.ekiga.org/ v_/_ NOVACOM : http://www.novacom.be/ FOSDEM : http://www.fosdem.org/ SIP Phone : sip:dsandras at ekiga.net From dlw_insulin at hotmail.com Wed Apr 2 09:20:35 2008 From: dlw_insulin at hotmail.com (D Webb) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 09:20:35 +0000 Subject: [Ekiga-list] [Ekiga-devel-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only* In-Reply-To: <1207124755.4244.0.camel@scorpion> References: <1207079853.4098.11.camel@scorpion> <20080401225750.191000@gmx.net> <1207124755.4244.0.camel@scorpion> Message-ID: > Le mercredi 02 avril 2008 ? 00:57 +0200, Torsten Schlabach a ?crit : > > Mhmmm ... > > > > 2 hours before the end of April 1st! > > > > You got me for some minutes. > > > > It was indeed an April Fool ;-) > -- > _ Damien Sandras Sad! Windows is a commercial operating system. Commercial software is quite fitting. It is now 2 April and I am not fooling. Dee _________________________________________________________________ Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic. http://green.msn.com/galleries/photos/photos.aspx?gid=164&ocid=T003MSN51N1653A -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From TSchlabach at gmx.net Wed Apr 2 09:28:46 2008 From: TSchlabach at gmx.net (Torsten Schlabach) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:28:46 +0200 Subject: [Ekiga-list] [Ekiga-devel-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only* In-Reply-To: References: <1207079853.4098.11.camel@scorpion> <20080401225750.191000@gmx.net> <1207124755.4244.0.camel@scorpion> Message-ID: <20080402092846.26900@gmx.net> Hi Dee! > Sad! Windows is a commercial operating system. Commercial software > is quite fitting. It is now 2 April and I am not fooling. I don't get you. Regards, Torsten From sergstesh at yahoo.com Wed Apr 2 12:17:05 2008 From: sergstesh at yahoo.com (Sergei Steshenko) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 05:17:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Ekiga-list] [Ekiga-devel-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only* In-Reply-To: <20080402092846.26900@gmx.net> Message-ID: <367543.59789.qm@web35203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Torsten Schlabach wrote: > Hi Dee! > > > Sad! Windows is a commercial operating system. Commercial software > > is quite fitting. It is now 2 April and I am not fooling. > > I don't get you. > > Regards, > Torsten > _______________________________________________ > ekiga-list mailing list > ekiga-list at gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list > Well, the sad truth is that to make a program known/popular one has to make it running well on Windows, even though originally it could be a Linux/Unix program. I'm not talking about myself, I'm talking generally. Regards, Sergei. Applications From Scratch: http://appsfromscratch.berlios.de/ ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com From dlw_insulin at hotmail.com Wed Apr 2 12:21:45 2008 From: dlw_insulin at hotmail.com (D Webb) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 12:21:45 +0000 Subject: [Ekiga-list] [Ekiga-devel-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only* In-Reply-To: <20080402092846.26900@gmx.net> References: <1207079853.4098.11.camel@scorpion> <20080401225750.191000@gmx.net> <1207124755.4244.0.camel@scorpion> <20080402092846.26900@gmx.net> Message-ID: > > Sad! Windows is a commercial operating system. Commercial software > > is quite fitting. It is now 2 April and I am not fooling. > > I don't get you. > > Regards, > Torsten Stepping back our steps, it would be fitting for Ekiga for Windows to be a commercial product since Windows is a commercial product. Dee _________________________________________________________________ Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic. http://green.msn.com/galleries/photos/photos.aspx?gid=164&ocid=T003MSN51N1653A -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Elaine.Xiong at Sun.COM Wed Apr 2 05:38:49 2008 From: Elaine.Xiong at Sun.COM (Elaine Xiong) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:38:49 +0800 Subject: [Ekiga-list] Can't Register into Blueface SIP Proxy Message-ID: <47F31BE9.90601@sun.com> Hi, all, Is there somebody using Ekiga to connect Blueface SIP service? Blueface is Ireland's first Broadband Phone Company. The website is www.blueface.com. I came across a register problem when I tried to connect the sip proxy. The result is that at most of time(99%) I can't register my account with "Registering" or "Registration Failed" messages showed in Ekiga. Actually I just got several times of register success at the very beginning. After that I'm not lucky any more. I can provide the logs of Ekiga and Xlite. With the latter one in windows I can register the same account into Blueface successfully and quickly. The log of Ekiga is from opensolaris and I got the same result from Linux(opensuse)/Windows. Just for your convenience , I list my account info below, User:testekiga Password:123456 Registar:sip.blueface.ie According to the log of Xlite you can see the scenario is quite simple and clean. But in the log of Ekiga there are lots of 100 Trying messages received at first . At last when 401 Unauthorised is received and a new REGISTER message is constructed to send out, the new transaction is immediately terminated for time out. Even sometimes I never got the 401 Unauthorised. So Ekiga shows that this account is "registering" forever. Could somebody help me look at the logs and give me any idea on that? Thanks in advance, BTW, the other accounts from voipstunt/ekiga.net can be registered in Ekiga well meantime. Best Regards, Elaine -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ekigad6_log URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: xlite_log URL: From stuart_lesnett at lesnett.com Wed Apr 2 15:17:49 2008 From: stuart_lesnett at lesnett.com (Stuart Lesnett) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:17:49 -0400 Subject: [Ekiga-list] [Ekiga-devel-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only* In-Reply-To: References: <1207079853.4098.11.camel@scorpion> <20080401225750.191000@gmx.net> <1207124755.4244.0.camel@scorpion> Message-ID: <1207149469.7346.15.camel@dig-charlee> If find Dee's comment interesting since, I came from the Windows/Skype community to investigate UBUNTU/Ekiga or at that time gnome community. I think 2 things have happend: (1) Damien currently has 248 error reports on bugzilla unresolved and the ekiga windows package even in beta form has always run much better. (2) SKYPE own this all ready established market and he's looking for a free ride. Personally, I have had nothing but link-ekiga and received nothing but attitude from Damien some of the other staff members have very hard and my thanks to them. I hope they will work to cleanup the current bugs on linux. I have used SKYPE for 2 years very successfully. Stu On Wed, 2008-04-02 at 09:20 +0000, D Webb wrote: > > Le mercredi 02 avril 2008 ? 00:57 +0200, Torsten Schlabach a > ?crit : > > > Mhmmm ... > > > > > > 2 hours before the end of April 1st! > > > > > > You got me for some minutes. > > > > > > > It was indeed an April Fool ;-) > > -- > > _ Damien Sandras > > Sad! Windows is a commercial operating system. Commercial software > is quite fitting. It is now 2 April and I am not fooling. > > Dee > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic. > > _______________________________________________ > ekiga-list mailing list > ekiga-list at gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michel.memeteau at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 15:29:32 2008 From: michel.memeteau at gmail.com (michel memeteau) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 17:29:32 +0200 Subject: [Ekiga-list] [Ekiga-devel-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only* In-Reply-To: <367543.59789.qm@web35203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20080402092846.26900@gmx.net> <367543.59789.qm@web35203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Sergei Steshenko wrote: > Well, the sad truth is that to make a program known/popular one has to make it > running well on Windows, even though originally it could be a Linux/Unix program. But Not really for a communication program. Let's say Windows messenger, Google talk, and others opensource SIp programs would support SIP completly , Ekiga would not really have to work hard on the Win32 build I think ; because you could talk easily with people on other OSes. Today is not the case and commercial/proprietary SIP software are not good enough , so there is need and room for Win32 ekiga I guess ... -- %<------------------------------------------------------->% Michel memeteau Blog 0.2 : http://memeteau.free.fr Fixe : 0874763294 Mobile : 0624808051 VOIP | Visio: sip:freechelmi at gizmoproject.com jabber/GoogleTalk : xmpp:freechelmi at jabber.fr From dsandras at seconix.com Wed Apr 2 18:40:57 2008 From: dsandras at seconix.com (Damien Sandras) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 20:40:57 +0200 Subject: [Ekiga-list] Can't Register into Blueface SIP Proxy In-Reply-To: <47F31BE9.90601@sun.com> References: <47F31BE9.90601@sun.com> Message-ID: <1207161657.4189.7.camel@scorpion> Hi, Le mercredi 02 avril 2008 ? 13:38 +0800, Elaine Xiong a ?crit : > Hi, all, > > Is there somebody using Ekiga to connect Blueface SIP service? Blueface > is Ireland's first Broadband Phone Company. The website is > www.blueface.com. I came across a register problem when I tried to > connect the sip proxy. The result is that at most of time(99%) I can't > register my account with "Registering" or "Registration Failed" messages > showed in Ekiga. Actually I just got several times of register success > at the very beginning. After that I'm not lucky any more. I can provide > the logs of Ekiga and Xlite. With the latter one in windows I can > register the same account into Blueface successfully and quickly. The > log of Ekiga is from opensolaris and I got the same result from > Linux(opensuse)/Windows. Just for your convenience , I list my account > info below, > > User:testekiga > Password:123456 > Registar:sip.blueface.ie > I did a few tests and I can register the account properly, but I am using plain SVN TRUNK (not 2.0.x). However, I see a potential bug that could be fixed. When we received the 1xx Trying, we should not send the REGISTER again. I'll change that in SVN TRUNK. Please test with it when you have the opportunity. -- _ Damien Sandras (o- //\ Ekiga Softphone : http://www.ekiga.org/ v_/_ NOVACOM : http://www.novacom.be/ FOSDEM : http://www.fosdem.org/ SIP Phone : sip:dsandras at ekiga.net From dsandras at seconix.com Wed Apr 2 18:41:50 2008 From: dsandras at seconix.com (Damien Sandras) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 20:41:50 +0200 Subject: [Ekiga-list] [Fwd: Re: [Ekiga-devel-list] OpalConnection missing member] In-Reply-To: <1207076498.4098.0.camel@scorpion> References: <47F25DCC.6010809@familyphone.se> <1207066956.17633.0.camel@scorpion> <47F261E0.1080903@familyphone.se> <1207076498.4098.0.camel@scorpion> Message-ID: <1207161710.4189.9.camel@scorpion> Le mardi 01 avril 2008 ? 21:01 +0200, Damien Sandras a ?crit : > Le mardi 01 avril 2008 ? 18:25 +0200, Emmanuel Frecon a ?crit : > > Damien Sandras wrote: > > > Le mardi 01 avril 2008 ? 18:07 +0200, Emmanuel Frecon a ?crit : > > >> Resending here in the hope to get more help... > > >> > > >> I have now check and am using all latest SVN versions of the libraries: > > >> > > >> svn update says: > > >> > > >> opal > > >> At revision 19877. > > >> > > >> ptlib > > >> At revision 19877 > > >> > > >> ekiga > > >> At revision 6103. > > >> > > >> > > >> I have followed the instructions from the Wiki and cleaned away Opal, > > >> ptlib and ekiga from my system. Anyone who would have a good idea for a > > >> next step? > > > > > > I have just done a fresh svn checkout. The API has changed this morning. > > > I need to adapt Ekiga tonight... > > OK. Thanks. Will wait until your update. > > > > I would suggest you to use an older SVN snapshot for OPAL. > > I have made the required changes, but OPAL does not work anymore, so I > won't commit them. They make Ekiga deadlock for each and every call. SVN has now been fixed for OPAL and Ekiga. It works correctly. -- _ Damien Sandras (o- //\ Ekiga Softphone : http://www.ekiga.org/ v_/_ NOVACOM : http://www.novacom.be/ FOSDEM : http://www.fosdem.org/ SIP Phone : sip:dsandras at ekiga.net From shawn_adams at web.de Wed Apr 2 20:10:12 2008 From: shawn_adams at web.de (Shawn Adams) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 22:10:12 +0200 Subject: [Ekiga-list] [Ekiga-devel-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only* In-Reply-To: References: <1207079853.4098.11.camel@scorpion> <20080401225750.191000@gmx.net> <1207124755.4244.0.camel@scorpion> <20080402092846.26900@gmx.net> Message-ID: <47F3E824.1010903@web.de> Dee, Nothing against your comment, but i cannot resist this post. Following this logic, since windoze is an unstable and insecure product that people pay for, it would be fitting that ekiga for windows would have to also become a unstable, and insecure product that is not free. This will save the team work - just release the alpha version for win32, and ensure all errors end with a blue screen that blames the problem on some other application. :) D Webb wrote: > > > > Sad! Windows is a commercial operating system. Commercial software > > > is quite fitting. It is now 2 April and I am not fooling. > > > > I don't get you. > > > > Regards, > > Torsten > > Stepping back our steps, it would be fitting for Ekiga for Windows to be > a commercial product since Windows is a commercial product. > > Dee > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > ekiga-list mailing list > ekiga-list at gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list -- Shawn Adams shawn_adams at web.de From sergstesh at yahoo.com Wed Apr 2 21:41:39 2008 From: sergstesh at yahoo.com (Sergei Steshenko) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 14:41:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Ekiga-list] [Ekiga-devel-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only* In-Reply-To: <47F3E824.1010903@web.de> Message-ID: <608038.10751.qm@web35208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Shawn Adams wrote: > > > Dee, > > Nothing against your comment, but i cannot resist this post. > > Following this logic, since windoze is an unstable and insecure product > that people pay for, it would be fitting that ekiga for windows would > have to also become a unstable, and insecure product that is not free. > > This will save the team work - just release the alpha version for win32, > and ensure all errors end with a blue screen that blames the problem on > some other application. > > :) > > > > > D Webb wrote: > > > > > > Sad! Windows is a commercial operating system. Commercial software > > > > is quite fitting. It is now 2 April and I am not fooling. > > > > > > I don't get you. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Torsten > > > > Stepping back our steps, it would be fitting for Ekiga for Windows to be > > a commercial product since Windows is a commercial product. > > > > Dee > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ekiga-list mailing list > > ekiga-list at gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list > > > -- > Shawn Adams > shawn_adams at web.de > > _______________________________________________ > ekiga-list mailing list > ekiga-list at gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list > And it may be a good idea to perform QA work - let Windows users suffer _grin_. Regards, Sergei. Applications From Scratch: http://appsfromscratch.berlios.de/ ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com From dsandras at seconix.com Wed Apr 2 22:28:00 2008 From: dsandras at seconix.com (Damien Sandras) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 00:28:00 +0200 Subject: [Ekiga-list] [Ekiga-devel-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only* In-Reply-To: <1207149469.7346.15.camel@dig-charlee> References: <1207079853.4098.11.camel@scorpion> <20080401225750.191000@gmx.net> <1207124755.4244.0.camel@scorpion> <1207149469.7346.15.camel@dig-charlee> Message-ID: <1207175280.25105.3.camel@scorpion> Le mercredi 02 avril 2008 ? 11:17 -0400, Stuart Lesnett a ?crit : > If find Dee's comment interesting since, I came from the Windows/Skype > community to investigate UBUNTU/Ekiga or at that time gnome community. > I think 2 things have happend: (1) Damien currently has 248 error > reports on bugzilla unresolved and the ekiga windows package even in > beta form has always run much better. (2) SKYPE own this all You should not make generalities out of your personal experience. Notice also that there are 188 reports (I had to do some clean ups) - 101 features requests - 87 reported problems By comparison, a product like nautilus (which has far more users, but less complexity and dependencies on weird things like audio and video devices and hardware) has 1940 bug reports. -- _ Damien Sandras (o- //\ Ekiga Softphone : http://www.ekiga.org/ v_/_ NOVACOM : http://www.novacom.be/ FOSDEM : http://www.fosdem.org/ SIP Phone : sip:dsandras at ekiga.net From dsandras at seconix.com Thu Apr 3 07:29:04 2008 From: dsandras at seconix.com (Damien Sandras) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 09:29:04 +0200 Subject: [Ekiga-list] Can't Register into Blueface SIP Proxy In-Reply-To: <1207161657.4189.7.camel@scorpion> References: <47F31BE9.90601@sun.com> <1207161657.4189.7.camel@scorpion> Message-ID: <1207207745.4149.3.camel@scorpion> Le mercredi 02 avril 2008 ? 20:40 +0200, Damien Sandras a ?crit : > Hi, > > Le mercredi 02 avril 2008 ? 13:38 +0800, Elaine Xiong a ?crit : > > Hi, all, > > > > Is there somebody using Ekiga to connect Blueface SIP service? Blueface > > is Ireland's first Broadband Phone Company. The website is > > www.blueface.com. I came across a register problem when I tried to > > connect the sip proxy. The result is that at most of time(99%) I can't > > register my account with "Registering" or "Registration Failed" messages > > showed in Ekiga. Actually I just got several times of register success > > at the very beginning. After that I'm not lucky any more. I can provide > > the logs of Ekiga and Xlite. With the latter one in windows I can > > register the same account into Blueface successfully and quickly. The > > log of Ekiga is from opensolaris and I got the same result from > > Linux(opensuse)/Windows. Just for your convenience , I list my account > > info below, > > > > User:testekiga > > Password:123456 > > Registar:sip.blueface.ie > > > > I did a few tests and I can register the account properly, but I am > using plain SVN TRUNK (not 2.0.x). > > However, I see a potential bug that could be fixed. When we received the > 1xx Trying, we should not send the REGISTER again. > > I'll change that in SVN TRUNK. Please test with it when you have the > opportunity. Following Craig it is already behaving correctly. So it has probably been fixed recently. Can you try with TRUNK ? -- _ Damien Sandras (o- //\ Ekiga Softphone : http://www.ekiga.org/ v_/_ NOVACOM : http://www.novacom.be/ FOSDEM : http://www.fosdem.org/ SIP Phone : sip:dsandras at ekiga.net From dlw_insulin at hotmail.com Thu Apr 3 08:16:15 2008 From: dlw_insulin at hotmail.com (D Webb) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 08:16:15 +0000 Subject: [Ekiga-list] details: Ekiga crash on Slackware 12.0 In-Reply-To: <1207207745.4149.3.camel@scorpion> References: <47F31BE9.90601@sun.com> <1207161657.4189.7.camel@scorpion> <1207207745.4149.3.camel@scorpion> Message-ID: OK, I can now offer some specifics of my Ekiga 2.0.11 crash problem under Linux Slackware 12.0. I am trying to run Ekiga in KDE 3.5. Ekiga is from gsb-complete install (whatever version was current towards end of Jan 2008). Here are some details in chronological order. 1. Installed alsa-plugins-1.0.16 like this: patch -p1 < alsa-pulse.patch ./configure make make install Rebooted/checked /usr/lib/alsa-lib. Updated files and links found. 2. Ran Ekiga offline. Got these two errors: --- error 1 --------- Error while starting the listener for the SIP protocol You will not be able to receive incoming SIP calls. Please check that no other program is already running on the port used by Ekiga. --- error 2 ------------ Same as above for H.323 --------------------- 3. Tried removing some modules: Removed following modules: bash-3.1# rmmod snd_seq_dummy bash-3.1# rmmod snd_seq_oss bash-3.1# rmmod snd_seq_midi_event bash-3.1# rmmod snd_seq bash-3.1# rmmod snd_seq_device bash-3.1# rmod snd_pcm_oss bash-3.1# rmmod snd_pcm_oss bash-3.1# rmmod snd_mixer_oss Still get the two above errors ----------- 4. Tested if this problem occurs while online. Launched Ekiga online, still the two errors pop up. I went ahead and tried to make a call. Ekiga crashed, giving this: --- error 3 ---------- bash-3.1# ekiga (ekiga:3305): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: gsignal.c:1715: handler `2912' of instance `0x849f980' is not blocked ekiga: pcm_params.c:2351: sndrv_pcm_hw_params: Assertion `err >= 0' failed. Aborted bash-3.1# ---------------------- 5. Here is how my computer looks at time of crash: Here are modules at time of crash: bash-3.1# lsmod Module Size Used by ipv6 254496 14 lp 13736 0 parport_pc 27812 1 parport 34632 2 lp,parport_pc psmouse 39048 0 intel_agp 25116 1 agpgart 31432 1 intel_agp evdev 11904 2 uhci_hcd 25612 0 Here is memory at time of crash: bash-3.1# ps -A PID TTY TIME CMD 1 ? 00:00:01 init 2 ? 00:00:00 migration/0 3 ? 00:00:00 ksoftirqd/0 4 ? 00:00:00 migration/1 5 ? 00:00:00 ksoftirqd/1 6 ? 00:00:00 events/0 7 ? 00:00:00 events/1 8 ? 00:00:00 khelper 9 ? 00:00:00 kthread 58 ? 00:00:00 kblockd/0 59 ? 00:00:00 kblockd/1 60 ? 00:00:00 kacpid 163 ? 00:00:00 ata/0 164 ? 00:00:00 ata/1 165 ? 00:00:00 ata_aux 166 ? 00:00:00 ksuspend_usbd 169 ? 00:00:00 khubd 171 ? 00:00:00 kseriod 172 ? 00:00:00 kgameportd 198 ? 00:00:00 pdflush 199 ? 00:00:00 pdflush 200 ? 00:00:00 kswapd0 201 ? 00:00:00 aio/0 202 ? 00:00:00 aio/1 345 ? 00:00:00 scsi_tgtd/0 346 ? 00:00:00 scsi_tgtd/1 351 ? 00:00:00 scsi_eh_0 352 ? 00:00:00 scsi_eh_1 392 ? 00:00:00 kcryptd/0 393 ? 00:00:00 kcryptd/1 482 ? 00:00:00 udevd 1443 ? 00:00:00 kpsmoused 1581 ? 00:00:00 syslogd 1585 ? 00:00:00 klogd 2023 ? 00:00:00 inetd 2031 ? 00:00:00 sshd 2039 ? 00:00:00 acpid 2047 ? 00:00:00 dbus-daemon 2052 ? 00:00:00 hald 2053 ? 00:00:00 hald-runner 2059 ? 00:00:00 hald-addon-keyb 2060 ? 00:00:00 hald-addon-keyb 2063 ? 00:00:00 hald-addon-acpi 2065 ? 00:00:00 hald-addon-stor 2081 ? 00:00:00 crond 2083 ? 00:00:00 atd 2127 ? 00:00:00 gpm 2129 tty1 00:00:00 bash 2130 tty2 00:00:00 agetty 2131 tty3 00:00:00 agetty 2132 tty4 00:00:00 agetty 2133 tty5 00:00:00 agetty 2137 tty6 00:00:00 agetty 2218 ? 00:00:00 gam_server 2387 tty1 00:00:00 startx 2403 tty1 00:00:00 xinit 2404 tty7 00:00:25 X 2408 tty1 00:00:00 sh 2409 tty1 00:00:00 startkde 2438 tty1 00:00:00 start_kdeinit 2439 ? 00:00:00 kdeinit 2442 ? 00:00:00 dcopserver 2444 ? 00:00:00 klauncher 2446 ? 00:00:00 kded 2451 tty1 00:00:00 kwrapper 2453 ? 00:00:00 ksmserver 2454 ? 00:00:01 kwin 2456 ? 00:00:00 kdesktop 2458 ? 00:00:01 kicker 2459 ? 00:00:00 kio_file 2467 ? 00:00:02 artsd 2470 ? 00:00:00 kaccess 2472 ? 00:00:00 kscd 2481 ? 00:00:04 Terminal 2487 ? 00:00:00 dbus-daemon 2488 ? 00:00:00 dbus-launch 2490 ? 00:00:00 gnome-pty-helpe 2491 pts/1 00:00:00 bash 2492 pts/2 00:00:00 bash 2493 ? 00:00:00 knotify 2495 ? 00:00:00 klipper 2497 ? 00:00:00 korgac 2510 pts/2 00:00:00 gconfd-2 2512 ? 00:00:00 bonobo-activati 2544 ? 00:00:00 gnome-vfs-daemo Hardware: new Core2Duo desktop with 2 Gig memory and 56K modem connection. Sound system works fine otherwise. That is about as much detail as I can think of. Any suggestions on what to change? Dee _________________________________________________________________ Pack up or back up?use SkyDrive to transfer files or keep extra copies. Learn how. hthttp://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_skydrive_packup_042008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dsandras at seconix.com Thu Apr 3 09:06:35 2008 From: dsandras at seconix.com (Damien Sandras) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 11:06:35 +0200 Subject: [Ekiga-list] details: Ekiga crash on Slackware 12.0 In-Reply-To: References: <47F31BE9.90601@sun.com> <1207161657.4189.7.camel@scorpion> <1207207745.4149.3.camel@scorpion> Message-ID: <1207213595.4149.23.camel@scorpion> Le jeudi 03 avril 2008 ? 08:16 +0000, D Webb a ?crit : > 2. Ran Ekiga offline. Got these two errors: > > --- error 1 --------- > Error while starting the listener for the SIP protocol > > You will not be able to receive incoming SIP calls. Please check that > no other program is already running on the port used by Ekiga. > > --- error 2 ------------ > Same as above for H.323 > --------------------- This is the current "normal" behavior. [...] > --- error 3 ---------- > bash-3.1# ekiga > (ekiga:3305): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: gsignal.c:1715: handler `2912' > of instance `0x849f980' is not blocked > ekiga: pcm_params.c:2351: sndrv_pcm_hw_params: Assertion `err >= 0' > failed. > Aborted > bash-3.1# > That is still the same ALSA bug. It seems that a few people have that bug. However, the crash is in libasound, not in Ekiga. Ekiga has worked correctly during years before they introduce a specific change in the lib that triggers that crash. I can not do anything to fix that bug unfortunately. Please complain to the ALSA developers, they know their product, and they know what can be done or tested to fix it or to work around it in Ekiga. -- _ Damien Sandras (o- //\ Ekiga Softphone : http://www.ekiga.org/ v_/_ NOVACOM : http://www.novacom.be/ FOSDEM : http://www.fosdem.org/ SIP Phone : sip:dsandras at ekiga.net From dlw_insulin at hotmail.com Thu Apr 3 09:34:10 2008 From: dlw_insulin at hotmail.com (D Webb) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 09:34:10 +0000 Subject: [Ekiga-list] details: Ekiga crash on Slackware 12.0 In-Reply-To: <1207213595.4149.23.camel@scorpion> References: <47F31BE9.90601@sun.com> <1207161657.4189.7.camel@scorpion> <1207207745.4149.3.camel@scorpion> <1207213595.4149.23.camel@scorpion> Message-ID: > > 2. Ran Ekiga offline. Got these two errors: > > > > --- error 1 --------- > > Error while starting the listener for the SIP protocol > > > > You will not be able to receive incoming SIP calls. Please check that > > no other program is already running on the port used by Ekiga. > > > > --- error 2 ------------ > > Same as above for H.323 > > --------------------- > > This is the current "normal" behavior. Hmmm. This also happens when I am online, but I have successfully received incoming calls earlier. Should this error also pop up even when I am online, and also when Ekiga really can receive an incoming call? Dee _________________________________________________________________ More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_instantaccess_042008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dsandras at seconix.com Thu Apr 3 09:45:04 2008 From: dsandras at seconix.com (Damien Sandras) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 11:45:04 +0200 Subject: [Ekiga-list] details: Ekiga crash on Slackware 12.0 In-Reply-To: References: <47F31BE9.90601@sun.com> <1207161657.4189.7.camel@scorpion> <1207207745.4149.3.camel@scorpion> <1207213595.4149.23.camel@scorpion> Message-ID: <1207215904.4149.34.camel@scorpion> Le jeudi 03 avril 2008 ? 09:34 +0000, D Webb a ?crit : > > > 2. Ran Ekiga offline. Got these two errors: > > > > > > --- error 1 --------- > > > Error while starting the listener for the SIP protocol > > > > > > You will not be able to receive incoming SIP calls. Please check > that > > > no other program is already running on the port used by Ekiga. > > > > > > --- error 2 ------------ > > > Same as above for H.323 > > > --------------------- > > > > This is the current "normal" behavior. > > > Hmmm. This also happens when I am online, but I have successfully > received incoming calls earlier. Should this error also pop up even > when I am online, and also when Ekiga really can receive an > incoming call? When you are online, it should not happen. Are you sure you are running the GNOME version and not the experimental "non GNOME" version of Ekiga ? -- _ Damien Sandras (o- //\ Ekiga Softphone : http://www.ekiga.org/ v_/_ NOVACOM : http://www.novacom.be/ FOSDEM : http://www.fosdem.org/ SIP Phone : sip:dsandras at ekiga.net From dlw_insulin at hotmail.com Thu Apr 3 10:14:22 2008 From: dlw_insulin at hotmail.com (D Webb) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 10:14:22 +0000 Subject: [Ekiga-list] details: Ekiga crash on Slackware 12.0 In-Reply-To: <1207215904.4149.34.camel@scorpion> References: <47F31BE9.90601@sun.com> <1207161657.4189.7.camel@scorpion> <1207207745.4149.3.camel@scorpion> <1207213595.4149.23.camel@scorpion> <1207215904.4149.34.camel@scorpion> Message-ID: > From: dsandras at seconix.com > To: ekiga-list at gnome.org > Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 11:45:04 +0200 > Subject: Re: [Ekiga-list] details: Ekiga crash on Slackware 12.0 > > Le jeudi 03 avril 2008 ? 09:34 +0000, D Webb a ?crit : > > > > 2. Ran Ekiga offline. Got these two errors: > > > > > > > > --- error 1 --------- > > > > Error while starting the listener for the SIP protocol > > > > > > > > You will not be able to receive incoming SIP calls. Please check > > that > > > > no other program is already running on the port used by Ekiga. > > > > > > > > --- error 2 ------------ > > > > Same as above for H.323 > > > > --------------------- > > > > > > This is the current "normal" behavior. > > > > > > Hmmm. This also happens when I am online, but I have successfully > > received incoming calls earlier. Should this error also pop up even > > when I am online, and also when Ekiga really can receive an > > incoming call? > > When you are online, it should not happen. > > Are you sure you are running the GNOME version and not the experimental > "non GNOME" version of Ekiga ? > -- > _ Damien Sandras For clarity, I could only have Ekiga (version is indicated as 2.0.11) on my box that comes with gnome-slackbuild that was released January 2008. 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URL: From dsandras at seconix.com Thu Apr 3 10:22:59 2008 From: dsandras at seconix.com (Damien Sandras) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 12:22:59 +0200 Subject: [Ekiga-list] details: Ekiga crash on Slackware 12.0 In-Reply-To: References: <47F31BE9.90601@sun.com> <1207161657.4189.7.camel@scorpion> <1207207745.4149.3.camel@scorpion> <1207213595.4149.23.camel@scorpion> <1207215904.4149.34.camel@scorpion> Message-ID: <1207218179.4149.46.camel@scorpion> Le jeudi 03 avril 2008 ? 10:14 +0000, D Webb a ?crit : > > From: dsandras at seconix.com > > To: ekiga-list at gnome.org > > Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 11:45:04 +0200 > > Subject: Re: [Ekiga-list] details: Ekiga crash on Slackware 12.0 > > > > Le jeudi 03 avril 2008 ? 09:34 +0000, D Webb a ?crit : > > > > > 2. Ran Ekiga offline. Got these two errors: > > > > > > > > > > --- error 1 --------- > > > > > Error while starting the listener for the SIP protocol > > > > > > > > > > You will not be able to receive incoming SIP calls. Please > check > > > that > > > > > no other program is already running on the port used by Ekiga. > > > > > > > > > > --- error 2 ------------ > > > > > Same as above for H.323 > > > > > --------------------- > > > > > > > > This is the current "normal" behavior. > > > > > > > > > Hmmm. This also happens when I am online, but I have successfully > > > received incoming calls earlier. Should this error also pop up > even > > > when I am online, and also when Ekiga really can receive an > > > incoming call? > > > > When you are online, it should not happen. > > > > Are you sure you are running the GNOME version and not the > experimental > > "non GNOME" version of Ekiga ? > > -- > > _ Damien Sandras > > For clarity, I could only have Ekiga (version is indicated as 2.0.11) > on my > box that comes with gnome-slackbuild that was released January 2008. > Do you > recommend I download/build/install your latest/greatest Ekiga version > (2.0.12???) > and try that instead? > It won't change anything. But are you running a GNOME compilation of Ekiga or a non-GNOME compilation ? Please mail the output of "ldd /usr/bin/ekiga" so we can determine it. -- _ Damien Sandras (o- //\ Ekiga Softphone : http://www.ekiga.org/ v_/_ NOVACOM : http://www.novacom.be/ FOSDEM : http://www.fosdem.org/ SIP Phone : sip:dsandras at ekiga.net From TSchlabach at gmx.net Thu Apr 3 14:40:28 2008 From: TSchlabach at gmx.net (Torsten Schlabach) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 16:40:28 +0200 Subject: [Ekiga-list] [Ekiga-devel-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only* In-Reply-To: <1207149469.7346.15.camel@dig-charlee> References: <1207079853.4098.11.camel@scorpion> <20080401225750.191000@gmx.net> <1207124755.4244.0.camel@scorpion> <1207149469.7346.15.camel@dig-charlee> Message-ID: <20080403144028.293250@gmx.net> Stu, > I have used [Skype] for 2 years very successfully. I had been forced into using Skype quite a number of times through the last years and I have some mixed experience with it. But that's not at all the point. The question is rather: Would you want to use a closed user group email system on which you can only write mails to people having an account on the same system and where you couldn't use your favorite MUA to read mail, but the only available option would be the closed source binary only specific OS platforms only mail client that comes with the service? I remember using two such systems back in the 80ies, one we may all remember, it was called CompuServe, the other one (for the Germans here) was BTX, the predecessor of T-Online. But 20 years have passed since then and even they pretty soon installed an Internet mail gateway to leverage Metcalfe's Law. They have been a bit slow when it comes to waiving their proprietary software and opening it up to POP3/IMAP/SMTP, though. Why are people so happy to leap back that 20 years when it comes to VoIP telephony? Comparing Skype to Ekiga (the software called Ekiga as opposed to the Ekiga.net SIP service) is comparing apples to pears. It's like comparing CompuServe to Thunderbird. I'argue that one of the reasons why Skype is as successful as it is the fact that VoIP telephone is still in it's infance. I know hardly anyone who is using Skype for serious business. (EBay's idea when buying them was just that, but it never materialized, AFAIK.) So as long as this is in the toy and novelty phase, fine. But nobody wants a monopoly, right? So we want competition. But how many different apps to you want to install onto your PC to make sure everybody else can reach you? How many contact IDs from different networks do you want to give out to people to be able to call you? Espeially given, that there is simple no need for these except to keep Skype Inc. and similar companies happy. Why? There are two universal addressing systems available to make an audio or video call to people. One was invented by the ITU a long time ago and is known as the world telephone numbering plan. The other one is known as a SIP address (that stuff which looks like an email address, i.e. sip:someone at somehwere.com). While SIP addresses are easier to memorize, they are somewhat hard to enter on classic phone devices (these gizmos with a 0-9 keypad), which is why a mapping from telephone numbers to SIP addresses makes sense. There is a well defined and accepted worldwide standard for this, known as ENUM. If I want to keep my contact details short, then all I need is a phone number and a SIP address which can be the same as I email address if I want to. Two things to remember for anyone who wants to contact me. And I can decide on which terminal device I will accept communication and I am free to switch my user agent if I feel a need for it. If I switch from Skype to Acme, I need to make sure everybody has the new contact details. And in Skype there isn't even anything like call forwarding. Consumer protection agencies together with telecom regulators in many parts of the world have fighted for years to enable portability of phone numbers as this is a prerequisite for serious competition among telcos (fixed and mobile). Why would we want to drop these achievements without any need? Coming back to the infancy of VoIP telephony: Don't mix up geeks and the rest of us. Skype looks successful, because a lot of people who have a PC have downloaded it once in their live. There is a ratio of downloaded copies versus users online of 10:1 or worse. And even if you take the some 2-digit million downloads of Skype, that would make for a market share in the single digit percents. No, not of the VoIP market, of the telephone calls market. Any medium sized european country will have more GSM subscribers than Skype worldwide. I can see a number of roadblocks for the further success of VoIP telephony: * Protocol fight. That SIP / H.323 / IAX2 thing is like the VHS / Beta or HD-DVD / BlueRay thing. Did SMTP / RFC822 ever have to seriously compete against any other protocols? I am very frustrated that often I can find a VoIP termination provider which is offering nice rates for a certain destination, but unfortunately, they don't speak my protocol. * The de-facto ENUM boycott. There is exactly one way to handle this IMO: Regulation. Period. Telco's don't want is, as they did not want number portability as they did not want a lot of other things. * Flatrates and the GSM revolution. I know a number of countries where people know fixed line phones just from old movies and laught at it. Where people still use landline phones, more often than not you can get a flatrate for unlimited national landline calls, for a bit more also national mobile networks or landlines on the same continent. The argument that VoIP is cheaper only work in niche situations any more. On the other hand, if GSM operators keep one thing up, it's their termination fees. (They usually keep them exactly at what the regulators allow them to charge.) There is nothing wrong with GSM, don't get me wrong. But again, IMO regulation would be needed to force them to open up their networks to VoIP. If all that would happen, then a VoIP client (such as Ekiga for example) would be as popular as a webbrowser (such as Mozilla, for example) just because everybody needs it, not just some geeks. And by the way: > (1) Damien currently has 248 error reports on bugzilla unresolved No, not Damien. The Ekiga community. If you're annoyed by a bug, you got two choices: Use something else which is better (for many people this isn't Skype) or fix it. If you're a business and have a business need: Pay someone to fix it. Regards, Torsten -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:17:49 -0400 > Von: Stuart Lesnett > An: Ekiga mailing list > Betreff: Re: [Ekiga-list] [Ekiga-devel-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only* > If find Dee's comment interesting since, I came from the Windows/Skype > community to investigate UBUNTU/Ekiga or at that time gnome community. > I think 2 things have happend: (1) Damien currently has 248 error > reports on bugzilla unresolved and the ekiga windows package even in > beta form has always run much better. (2) SKYPE own this all ready > established market and he's looking for a free ride. > > > Personally, I have had nothing but link-ekiga and received nothing but > attitude from Damien some of the other staff members have very hard and > my thanks to them. > > > I hope they will work to cleanup the current bugs on linux. I have used > SKYPE for 2 years very successfully. > > Stu > > On Wed, 2008-04-02 at 09:20 +0000, D Webb wrote: > > > > Le mercredi 02 avril 2008 ? 00:57 +0200, Torsten Schlabach a > > ?crit : > > > > Mhmmm ... > > > > > > > > 2 hours before the end of April 1st! > > > > > > > > You got me for some minutes. > > > > > > > > > > It was indeed an April Fool ;-) > > > -- > > > _ Damien Sandras > > > > Sad! Windows is a commercial operating system. Commercial software > > is quite fitting. It is now 2 April and I am not fooling. > > > > Dee > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ekiga-list mailing list > > ekiga-list at gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list From TSchlabach at gmx.net Thu Apr 3 14:40:28 2008 From: TSchlabach at gmx.net (Torsten Schlabach) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 16:40:28 +0200 Subject: [Ekiga-list] [Ekiga-devel-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only* In-Reply-To: <1207149469.7346.15.camel@dig-charlee> References: <1207079853.4098.11.camel@scorpion> <20080401225750.191000@gmx.net> <1207124755.4244.0.camel@scorpion> <1207149469.7346.15.camel@dig-charlee> Message-ID: <20080403144028.293250@gmx.net> Stu, > I have used [Skype] for 2 years very successfully. I had been forced into using Skype quite a number of times through the last years and I have some mixed experience with it. But that's not at all the point. The question is rather: Would you want to use a closed user group email system on which you can only write mails to people having an account on the same system and where you couldn't use your favorite MUA to read mail, but the only available option would be the closed source binary only specific OS platforms only mail client that comes with the service? I remember using two such systems back in the 80ies, one we may all remember, it was called CompuServe, the other one (for the Germans here) was BTX, the predecessor of T-Online. But 20 years have passed since then and even they pretty soon installed an Internet mail gateway to leverage Metcalfe's Law. They have been a bit slow when it comes to waiving their proprietary software and opening it up to POP3/IMAP/SMTP, though. Why are people so happy to leap back that 20 years when it comes to VoIP telephony? Comparing Skype to Ekiga (the software called Ekiga as opposed to the Ekiga.net SIP service) is comparing apples to pears. It's like comparing CompuServe to Thunderbird. I'argue that one of the reasons why Skype is as successful as it is the fact that VoIP telephone is still in it's infance. I know hardly anyone who is using Skype for serious business. (EBay's idea when buying them was just that, but it never materialized, AFAIK.) So as long as this is in the toy and novelty phase, fine. But nobody wants a monopoly, right? So we want competition. But how many different apps to you want to install onto your PC to make sure everybody else can reach you? How many contact IDs from different networks do you want to give out to people to be able to call you? Espeially given, that there is simple no need for these except to keep Skype Inc. and similar companies happy. Why? There are two universal addressing systems available to make an audio or video call to people. One was invented by the ITU a long time ago and is known as the world telephone numbering plan. The other one is known as a SIP address (that stuff which looks like an email address, i.e. sip:someone at somehwere.com). While SIP addresses are easier to memorize, they are somewhat hard to enter on classic phone devices (these gizmos with a 0-9 keypad), which is why a mapping from telephone numbers to SIP addresses makes sense. There is a well defined and accepted worldwide standard for this, known as ENUM. If I want to keep my contact details short, then all I need is a phone number and a SIP address which can be the same as I email address if I want to. Two things to remember for anyone who wants to contact me. And I can decide on which terminal device I will accept communication and I am free to switch my user agent if I feel a need for it. If I switch from Skype to Acme, I need to make sure everybody has the new contact details. And in Skype there isn't even anything like call forwarding. Consumer protection agencies together with telecom regulators in many parts of the world have fighted for years to enable portability of phone numbers as this is a prerequisite for serious competition among telcos (fixed and mobile). Why would we want to drop these achievements without any need? Coming back to the infancy of VoIP telephony: Don't mix up geeks and the rest of us. Skype looks successful, because a lot of people who have a PC have downloaded it once in their live. There is a ratio of downloaded copies versus users online of 10:1 or worse. And even if you take the some 2-digit million downloads of Skype, that would make for a market share in the single digit percents. No, not of the VoIP market, of the telephone calls market. Any medium sized european country will have more GSM subscribers than Skype worldwide. I can see a number of roadblocks for the further success of VoIP telephony: * Protocol fight. That SIP / H.323 / IAX2 thing is like the VHS / Beta or HD-DVD / BlueRay thing. Did SMTP / RFC822 ever have to seriously compete against any other protocols? I am very frustrated that often I can find a VoIP termination provider which is offering nice rates for a certain destination, but unfortunately, they don't speak my protocol. * The de-facto ENUM boycott. There is exactly one way to handle this IMO: Regulation. Period. Telco's don't want is, as they did not want number portability as they did not want a lot of other things. * Flatrates and the GSM revolution. I know a number of countries where people know fixed line phones just from old movies and laught at it. Where people still use landline phones, more often than not you can get a flatrate for unlimited national landline calls, for a bit more also national mobile networks or landlines on the same continent. The argument that VoIP is cheaper only work in niche situations any more. On the other hand, if GSM operators keep one thing up, it's their termination fees. (They usually keep them exactly at what the regulators allow them to charge.) There is nothing wrong with GSM, don't get me wrong. But again, IMO regulation would be needed to force them to open up their networks to VoIP. If all that would happen, then a VoIP client (such as Ekiga for example) would be as popular as a webbrowser (such as Mozilla, for example) just because everybody needs it, not just some geeks. And by the way: > (1) Damien currently has 248 error reports on bugzilla unresolved No, not Damien. The Ekiga community. If you're annoyed by a bug, you got two choices: Use something else which is better (for many people this isn't Skype) or fix it. If you're a business and have a business need: Pay someone to fix it. Regards, Torsten -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:17:49 -0400 > Von: Stuart Lesnett > An: Ekiga mailing list > Betreff: Re: [Ekiga-list] [Ekiga-devel-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only* > If find Dee's comment interesting since, I came from the Windows/Skype > community to investigate UBUNTU/Ekiga or at that time gnome community. > I think 2 things have happend: (1) Damien currently has 248 error > reports on bugzilla unresolved and the ekiga windows package even in > beta form has always run much better. (2) SKYPE own this all ready > established market and he's looking for a free ride. > > > Personally, I have had nothing but link-ekiga and received nothing but > attitude from Damien some of the other staff members have very hard and > my thanks to them. > > > I hope they will work to cleanup the current bugs on linux. I have used > SKYPE for 2 years very successfully. > > Stu > > On Wed, 2008-04-02 at 09:20 +0000, D Webb wrote: > > > > Le mercredi 02 avril 2008 ? 00:57 +0200, Torsten Schlabach a > > ?crit : > > > > Mhmmm ... > > > > > > > > 2 hours before the end of April 1st! > > > > > > > > You got me for some minutes. > > > > > > > > > > It was indeed an April Fool ;-) > > > -- > > > _ Damien Sandras > > > > Sad! Windows is a commercial operating system. Commercial software > > is quite fitting. It is now 2 April and I am not fooling. > > > > Dee > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ekiga-list mailing list > > ekiga-list at gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list From stuart_lesnett at lesnett.com Thu Apr 3 16:23:19 2008 From: stuart_lesnett at lesnett.com (Stuart Lesnett) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 12:23:19 -0400 Subject: [Ekiga-list] [Ekiga-devel-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only* In-Reply-To: <20080403144028.293250@gmx.net> References: <1207079853.4098.11.camel@scorpion> <20080401225750.191000@gmx.net> <1207124755.4244.0.camel@scorpion> <1207149469.7346.15.camel@dig-charlee> <20080403144028.293250@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1207239800.11800.41.camel@dig-charlee> Hi Torsten, I thought your comments were interesting. In fact I still have a COMPUSERV backup account. People select products for all sorts of reason, as for me provided a world wide network for my travels. I have used SKYPE for another reason equally as valid, cost reduction. Oh by the way, SKYPE call forwarding service works quite well both to my Offices and my Cell. The story of EKIGA is entirely another matter. One of clients wanted to look at LINUX basically for cost reduction in both hardware and software areas, stability and reliability. This revived some old memories, i.e. AT&T V in the 80's, Red Hat 6 sometime in the early 90s and currently UBUNTU as server and Desktop products. Actually, I have been very surprised just how far the Linux industry has moved. UBUNTU 7.10 brought in EKIGA or one might say uncovered it from gnome. But many of the same old UNIX/LINUX problems some are good and some bad or hinder the commercial use of the application. UBUNTU has done a nice job bring it into an almost Windows competitive environment. SKYPE is excellent product so far, we're going to have wait for the Linux version. EKIGA has possibilities but attitude the general lack a central manual plus lack of stability is lacking. Red hat acquired many of these problems, i.e. I call the Windows problem, not mine go talk to the hardware or software manufacturer. My limited customer base and my personal thought have force me to judge multi-OS applications system,eg. OpenOffice vs Windows Office and Apache vs's MS XXX, and other things such as WiFI phones instead of cells? Nice talk. On Thu, 2008-04-03 at 16:40 +0200, Torsten Schlabach wrote: > Stu, > > > I have used [Skype] for 2 years very successfully. > > I had been forced into using Skype quite a number of times through the last years and I have some mixed experience with it. But that's not at all the point. > > The question is rather: Would you want to use a closed user group email system on which you can only write mails to people having an account on the same system and where you couldn't use your favorite MUA to read mail, but the only available option would be the closed source binary only specific OS platforms only mail client that comes with the service? > > I remember using two such systems back in the 80ies, one we may all remember, it was called CompuServe, the other one (for the Germans here) was BTX, the predecessor of T-Online. But 20 years have passed since then and even they pretty soon installed an Internet mail gateway to leverage Metcalfe's Law. They have been a bit slow when it comes to waiving their proprietary software and opening it up to POP3/IMAP/SMTP, though. > > Why are people so happy to leap back that 20 years when it comes to VoIP telephony? > > Comparing Skype to Ekiga (the software called Ekiga as opposed to the Ekiga.net SIP service) is comparing apples to pears. It's like comparing CompuServe to Thunderbird. > > I'argue that one of the reasons why Skype is as successful as it is the fact that VoIP telephone is still in it's infance. I know hardly anyone who is using Skype for serious business. (EBay's idea when buying them was just that, but it never materialized, AFAIK.) So as long as this is in the toy and novelty phase, fine. > > But nobody wants a monopoly, right? So we want competition. But how many different apps to you want to install onto your PC to make sure everybody else can reach you? How many contact IDs from different networks do you want to give out to people to be able to call you? Espeially given, that there is simple no need for these except to keep Skype Inc. and similar companies happy. > > Why? > > There are two universal addressing systems available to make an audio or video call to people. One was invented by the ITU a long time ago and is known as the world telephone numbering plan. The other one is known as a SIP address (that stuff which looks like an email address, i.e. sip:someone at somehwere.com). > > While SIP addresses are easier to memorize, they are somewhat hard to enter on classic phone devices (these gizmos with a 0-9 keypad), which is why a mapping from telephone numbers to SIP addresses makes sense. There is a well defined and accepted worldwide standard for this, known as ENUM. > > If I want to keep my contact details short, then all I need is a phone number and a SIP address which can be the same as I email address if I want to. Two things to remember for anyone who wants to contact me. And I can decide on which terminal device I will accept communication and I am free to switch my user agent if I feel a need for it. > > If I switch from Skype to Acme, I need to make sure everybody has the new contact details. And in Skype there isn't even anything like call forwarding. Consumer protection agencies together with telecom regulators in many parts of the world have fighted for years to enable portability of phone numbers as this is a prerequisite for serious competition among telcos (fixed and mobile). Why would we want to drop these achievements without any need? > > Coming back to the infancy of VoIP telephony: Don't mix up geeks and the rest of us. Skype looks successful, because a lot of people who have a PC have downloaded it once in their live. There is a ratio of downloaded copies versus users online of 10:1 or worse. And even if you take the some 2-digit million downloads of Skype, that would make for a market share in the single digit percents. No, not of the VoIP market, of the telephone calls market. Any medium sized european country will have more GSM subscribers than Skype worldwide. > > I can see a number of roadblocks for the further success of VoIP telephony: > > * Protocol fight. That SIP / H.323 / IAX2 thing is like the VHS / Beta or HD-DVD / BlueRay thing. Did SMTP / RFC822 ever have to seriously compete against any other protocols? I am very frustrated that often I can find a VoIP termination provider which is offering nice rates for a certain destination, but unfortunately, they don't speak my protocol. > > * The de-facto ENUM boycott. There is exactly one way to handle this IMO: Regulation. Period. Telco's don't want is, as they did not want number portability as they did not want a lot of other things. > > * Flatrates and the GSM revolution. I know a number of countries where people know fixed line phones just from old movies and laught at it. Where people still use landline phones, more often than not you can get a flatrate for unlimited national landline calls, for a bit more also national mobile networks or landlines on the same continent. The argument that VoIP is cheaper only work in niche situations any more. On the other hand, if GSM operators keep one thing up, it's their termination fees. (They usually keep them exactly at what the regulators allow them to charge.) > > There is nothing wrong with GSM, don't get me wrong. But again, IMO regulation would be needed to force them to open up their networks to VoIP. > > If all that would happen, then a VoIP client (such as Ekiga for example) would be as popular as a webbrowser (such as Mozilla, for example) just because everybody needs it, not just some geeks. > > And by the way: > > > (1) Damien currently has 248 error reports on bugzilla unresolved > > No, not Damien. The Ekiga community. If you're annoyed by a bug, you got two choices: Use something else which is better (for many people this isn't Skype) or fix it. If you're a business and have a business need: Pay someone to fix it. > > Regards, > Torsten > > -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > > Datum: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:17:49 -0400 > > Von: Stuart Lesnett > > An: Ekiga mailing list > > Betreff: Re: [Ekiga-list] [Ekiga-devel-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only* > > > If find Dee's comment interesting since, I came from the Windows/Skype > > community to investigate UBUNTU/Ekiga or at that time gnome community. > > I think 2 things have happend: (1) Damien currently has 248 error > > reports on bugzilla unresolved and the ekiga windows package even in > > beta form has always run much better. (2) SKYPE own this all ready > > established market and he's looking for a free ride. > > > > > > Personally, I have had nothing but link-ekiga and received nothing but > > attitude from Damien some of the other staff members have very hard and > > my thanks to them. > > > > > > I hope they will work to cleanup the current bugs on linux. I have used > > SKYPE for 2 years very successfully. > > > > Stu > > > > On Wed, 2008-04-02 at 09:20 +0000, D Webb wrote: > > > > > > Le mercredi 02 avril 2008 ? 00:57 +0200, Torsten Schlabach a > > > ?crit : > > > > > Mhmmm ... > > > > > > > > > > 2 hours before the end of April 1st! > > > > > > > > > > You got me for some minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was indeed an April Fool ;-) > > > > -- > > > > _ Damien Sandras > > > > > > Sad! Windows is a commercial operating system. Commercial software > > > is quite fitting. It is now 2 April and I am not fooling. > > > > > > Dee > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > ekiga-list mailing list > > > ekiga-list at gnome.org > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list > _______________________________________________ > ekiga-list mailing list > ekiga-list at gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ML at Bartschnet.de Thu Apr 3 20:21:58 2008 From: ML at Bartschnet.de (Rene Bartsch) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 22:21:58 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Ekiga-list] [Ekiga-devel-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only* Message-ID: <47980.212.60.138.116.1207254118.squirrel@www.bartschnet.de> > Stu, > >> I have used [Skype] for 2 years very successfully. > > I had been forced into using Skype quite a number of times through the last years and I have some mixed experience with it. But that's not at all the point. > > The question is rather: Would you want to use a closed user group email system on which you can only write mails to people having an account on the same system and where you couldn't use your favorite MUA to read mail, but the only available option would be the closed source binary only specific OS platforms only mail client that comes with the service? [Closed Source] => You don't know if NSA is listening (or whoever) ;) > I remember using two such systems back in the 80ies, one we may all remember, it was called CompuServe, the other one (for the Germans here) was BTX, the predecessor of T-Online. But 20 years have passed since then and even they pretty soon installed an Internet mail gateway to leverage Metcalfe's Law. They have been a bit slow when it comes to waiving their proprietary software and opening it up to POP3/IMAP/SMTP, though. > > Why are people so happy to leap back that 20 years when it comes to VoIP telephony? This are the same people using the a closed OS called "Windows" ;) > But nobody wants a monopoly, right? So we want competition. But how many different apps to you want to install onto your PC to make sure everybody else can reach you? How many contact IDs from different networks do you want to give out to people to be able to call you? Espeially given, that there is simple no need for these except to keep Skype Inc. and similar companies happy. Competition is very good - if all you use the same patent free open standards protocol ;) > There are two universal addressing systems available to make an audio or video call to people. One was invented by the ITU a long time ago and is known as the world telephone numbering plan. The other one is known as a SIP address (that stuff which looks like an email address, i.e. > sip:someone at somehwere.com). Don't forget IAX2 addressing sheme. > While SIP addresses are easier to memorize, they are somewhat hard to enter on classic phone devices (these gizmos with a 0-9 keypad), which is why a mapping from telephone numbers to SIP addresses makes sense. There is a well defined and accepted worldwide standard for this, known as ENUM. I agree, ENUM is very important to bridge between PSTN and VoIP! > If I want to keep my contact details short, then all I need is a phone number and a SIP address which can be the same as I email address if I want to. Two things to remember for anyone who wants to contact me. And I can decide on which terminal device I will accept communication and I am free to switch my user agent if I feel a need for it. Why two??? Just put your SIP-, IAX2- or email-address into an ENUM-NAPTR ;) > I can see a number of roadblocks for the further success of VoIP telephony: > > * Protocol fight. That SIP / H.323 / IAX2 thing is like the VHS / Beta or HD-DVD / BlueRay thing. Did SMTP / RFC822 ever have to seriously compete against any other protocols? I am very frustrated that often I can find a VoIP termination provider which is offering nice rates for a certain destination, but unfortunately, they don't speak my protocol. That's quite a fault by the IETF. The IETF didn't want to have two protocols competing against each other, so they decided to accept only one as RFC. But what they didn't consider was that the first protocol on the market (SIP) can just be a mess. So we have the situation that everyone has to use SIP as it's standardized, but people who are frustrated of failed an choppy calls switch to the far more better IAX2. So IETF achieved what they didn't want - two competing protocols. Hardware vendors - like SNOM - want to switch to IAX2, but no standard, no implementation :( So I hope IETF or ITU accept IAX2 as standard and we can bury SIP finally. > * The de-facto ENUM boycott. There is exactly one way to handle this IMO: Regulation. Period. Telco's don't want is, as they did not want number portability as they did not want a lot of other things. You're right. Regulators should just force the telcos to evaluate ENUM at each call. That way each user can have his custom routing. The next step would be to force the telcos to terminate with SIP/IAX2. > * Flatrates and the GSM revolution. I know a number of countries where people know fixed line phones just from old movies and laught at it. Where people still use landline phones, more often than not you can get a flatrate for unlimited national landline calls, for a bit more also national mobile networks or landlines on the same continent. The argument that VoIP is cheaper only work in niche situations any more. On the other hand, if GSM operators keep one thing up, it's their termination fees. (They usually keep them exactly at what the regulators allow them to charge.) UMTS phones use SIP, too ;) But you get charged for a satelite call and telcos explicitly deny the use of own VoIP on data connections. :( Regards, Renne From dlw_insulin at hotmail.com Fri Apr 4 08:32:00 2008 From: dlw_insulin at hotmail.com (D Webb) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 08:32:00 +0000 Subject: [Ekiga-list] details: Ekiga crash on Slackware 12.0 In-Reply-To: <1207218179.4149.46.camel@scorpion> References: <47F31BE9.90601@sun.com> <1207161657.4189.7.camel@scorpion> <1207207745.4149.3.camel@scorpion> <1207213595.4149.23.camel@scorpion> <1207215904.4149.34.camel@scorpion> <1207218179.4149.46.camel@scorpion> Message-ID: > Please mail the output of "ldd /usr/bin/ekiga" so we can determine it. > -- > _ Damien Sandras linux-gate.so.1 => (0xffffe000) libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 (0xb7eb0000) libgcc_s.so.1 => /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1 (0xb7ea5000) libesd.so.0 => /usr/lib/libesd.so.0 (0xb7e9b000) libaudiofile.so.0 => /usr/lib/libaudiofile.so.0 (0xb7e76000) libgnomeui-2.so.0 => 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Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_instantaccess_042008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dsandras at seconix.com Fri Apr 4 08:38:25 2008 From: dsandras at seconix.com (Damien Sandras) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 10:38:25 +0200 Subject: [Ekiga-list] details: Ekiga crash on Slackware 12.0 In-Reply-To: References: <47F31BE9.90601@sun.com> <1207161657.4189.7.camel@scorpion> <1207207745.4149.3.camel@scorpion> <1207213595.4149.23.camel@scorpion> <1207215904.4149.34.camel@scorpion> <1207218179.4149.46.camel@scorpion> Message-ID: <1207298305.4198.8.camel@scorpion> Le vendredi 04 avril 2008 ? 08:32 +0000, D Webb a ?crit : > > Please mail the output of "ldd /usr/bin/ekiga" so we can determine > it. [...] > linux-gate.so.1 => (0xffffe000) > libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 (0xb7eb0000) > libgcc_s.so.1 => /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1 (0xb7ea5000) > libesd.so.0 => /usr/lib/libesd.so.0 (0xb7e9b000) > libaudiofile.so.0 => /usr/lib/libaudiofile.so.0 (0xb7e76000) > libgnomeui-2.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgnomeui-2.so.0 (0xb7df2000) [...] OK, you are thus running the GNOME enabled version. It is really sad to see so many people hit by the ALSA problem without the ALSA staff reacting. I will try contacting them. -- _ Damien Sandras (o- //\ Ekiga Softphone : http://www.ekiga.org/ v_/_ NOVACOM : http://www.novacom.be/ FOSDEM : http://www.fosdem.org/ SIP Phone : sip:dsandras at ekiga.net From TSchlabach at gmx.net Fri Apr 4 09:35:15 2008 From: TSchlabach at gmx.net (Torsten Schlabach) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 11:35:15 +0200 Subject: [Ekiga-list] [Ekiga-devel-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only* In-Reply-To: <47980.212.60.138.116.1207254118.squirrel@www.bartschnet.de> References: <47980.212.60.138.116.1207254118.squirrel@www.bartschnet.de> Message-ID: <20080404093515.13300@gmx.net> Hi Rene! > So I hope IETF or ITU accept IAX2 as standard > and we can bury SIP finally. Would be nice. So maybe we can put some effort into http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157559 Someone was close a year ago. Regards, Torsten -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 22:21:58 +0200 (CEST) > Von: "Rene Bartsch" > An: ekiga-list at gnome.org > Betreff: Re: [Ekiga-list] [Ekiga-devel-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only* > > Stu, > > > >> I have used [Skype] for 2 years very successfully. > > > > I had been forced into using Skype quite a number of times through the > last years and I have some mixed experience with it. But that's not at > all the point. > > > > The question is rather: Would you want to use a closed user group email > system on which you can only write mails to people having an account on > the same system and where you couldn't use your favorite MUA to read > mail, but the only available option would be the closed source binary > only specific OS platforms only mail client that comes with the service? > > [Closed Source] => You don't know if NSA is listening (or whoever) ;) > > > I remember using two such systems back in the 80ies, one we may all > remember, it was called CompuServe, the other one (for the Germans here) > was BTX, the predecessor of T-Online. But 20 years have passed since > then and even they pretty soon installed an Internet mail gateway to > leverage Metcalfe's Law. They have been a bit slow when it comes to > waiving their proprietary software and opening it up to POP3/IMAP/SMTP, > though. > > > > Why are people so happy to leap back that 20 years when it comes to VoIP > telephony? > > This are the same people using the a closed OS called "Windows" ;) > > > But nobody wants a monopoly, right? So we want competition. But how many > different apps to you want to install onto your PC to make sure > everybody else can reach you? How many contact IDs from different > networks do you want to give out to people to be able to call you? > Espeially given, that there is simple no need for these except to keep > Skype Inc. and similar companies happy. > > Competition is very good - if all you use the same patent free open > standards protocol ;) > > > There are two universal addressing systems available to make an audio or > video call to people. One was invented by the ITU a long time ago and is > known as the world telephone numbering plan. The other one is known as a > SIP address (that stuff which looks like an email address, i.e. > > sip:someone at somehwere.com). > > Don't forget IAX2 addressing sheme. > > > While SIP addresses are easier to memorize, they are somewhat hard to > enter on classic phone devices (these gizmos with a 0-9 keypad), which > is why a mapping from telephone numbers to SIP addresses makes sense. > There is a well defined and accepted worldwide standard for this, known > as ENUM. > > I agree, ENUM is very important to bridge between PSTN and VoIP! > > > If I want to keep my contact details short, then all I need is a phone > number and a SIP address which can be the same as I email address if I > want to. Two things to remember for anyone who wants to contact me. And > I can decide on which terminal device I will accept communication and I > am free to switch my user agent if I feel a need for it. > > Why two??? Just put your SIP-, IAX2- or email-address into an ENUM-NAPTR > ;) > > > I can see a number of roadblocks for the further success of VoIP > telephony: > > > > * Protocol fight. That SIP / H.323 / IAX2 thing is like the VHS / Beta > or HD-DVD / BlueRay thing. Did SMTP / RFC822 ever have to seriously > compete against any other protocols? I am very frustrated that often I > can find a VoIP termination provider which is offering nice rates for a > certain destination, but unfortunately, they don't speak my protocol. > > That's quite a fault by the IETF. The IETF didn't want to have two > protocols competing against each other, so they decided to accept only one > as RFC. But what they didn't consider was that the first protocol on the > market (SIP) can just be a mess. So we have the situation that everyone > has to use SIP as it's standardized, but people who are frustrated of > failed an choppy calls switch to the far more better IAX2. So IETF > achieved what they didn't want - two competing protocols. > > Hardware vendors - like SNOM - want to switch to IAX2, but no standard, no > implementation :( > > So I hope IETF or ITU accept IAX2 as standard and we can bury SIP finally. > > > * The de-facto ENUM boycott. There is exactly one way to handle this > IMO: Regulation. Period. Telco's don't want is, as they did not want > number portability as they did not want a lot of other things. > > You're right. Regulators should just force the telcos to evaluate ENUM at > each call. That way each user can have his custom routing. > > The next step would be to force the telcos to terminate with SIP/IAX2. > > > * Flatrates and the GSM revolution. I know a number of countries where > people know fixed line phones just from old movies and laught at it. > Where people still use landline phones, more often than not you can get > a flatrate for unlimited national landline calls, for a bit more also > national mobile networks or landlines on the same continent. The > argument that VoIP is cheaper only work in niche situations any more. On > the other hand, if GSM operators keep one thing up, it's their > termination fees. (They usually keep them exactly at what the regulators > allow them to charge.) > > UMTS phones use SIP, too ;) But you get charged for a satelite call and > telcos explicitly deny the use of own VoIP on data connections. :( > > Regards, > > Renne > > > > > _______________________________________________ > ekiga-list mailing list > ekiga-list at gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list From TSchlabach at gmx.net Fri Apr 4 09:35:15 2008 From: TSchlabach at gmx.net (Torsten Schlabach) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 11:35:15 +0200 Subject: [Ekiga-list] [Ekiga-devel-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only* In-Reply-To: <47980.212.60.138.116.1207254118.squirrel@www.bartschnet.de> References: <47980.212.60.138.116.1207254118.squirrel@www.bartschnet.de> Message-ID: <20080404093515.13300@gmx.net> Hi Rene! > So I hope IETF or ITU accept IAX2 as standard > and we can bury SIP finally. Would be nice. So maybe we can put some effort into http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157559 Someone was close a year ago. Regards, Torsten -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 22:21:58 +0200 (CEST) > Von: "Rene Bartsch" > An: ekiga-list at gnome.org > Betreff: Re: [Ekiga-list] [Ekiga-devel-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only* > > Stu, > > > >> I have used [Skype] for 2 years very successfully. > > > > I had been forced into using Skype quite a number of times through the > last years and I have some mixed experience with it. But that's not at > all the point. > > > > The question is rather: Would you want to use a closed user group email > system on which you can only write mails to people having an account on > the same system and where you couldn't use your favorite MUA to read > mail, but the only available option would be the closed source binary > only specific OS platforms only mail client that comes with the service? > > [Closed Source] => You don't know if NSA is listening (or whoever) ;) > > > I remember using two such systems back in the 80ies, one we may all > remember, it was called CompuServe, the other one (for the Germans here) > was BTX, the predecessor of T-Online. But 20 years have passed since > then and even they pretty soon installed an Internet mail gateway to > leverage Metcalfe's Law. They have been a bit slow when it comes to > waiving their proprietary software and opening it up to POP3/IMAP/SMTP, > though. > > > > Why are people so happy to leap back that 20 years when it comes to VoIP > telephony? > > This are the same people using the a closed OS called "Windows" ;) > > > But nobody wants a monopoly, right? So we want competition. But how many > different apps to you want to install onto your PC to make sure > everybody else can reach you? How many contact IDs from different > networks do you want to give out to people to be able to call you? > Espeially given, that there is simple no need for these except to keep > Skype Inc. and similar companies happy. > > Competition is very good - if all you use the same patent free open > standards protocol ;) > > > There are two universal addressing systems available to make an audio or > video call to people. One was invented by the ITU a long time ago and is > known as the world telephone numbering plan. The other one is known as a > SIP address (that stuff which looks like an email address, i.e. > > sip:someone at somehwere.com). > > Don't forget IAX2 addressing sheme. > > > While SIP addresses are easier to memorize, they are somewhat hard to > enter on classic phone devices (these gizmos with a 0-9 keypad), which > is why a mapping from telephone numbers to SIP addresses makes sense. > There is a well defined and accepted worldwide standard for this, known > as ENUM. > > I agree, ENUM is very important to bridge between PSTN and VoIP! > > > If I want to keep my contact details short, then all I need is a phone > number and a SIP address which can be the same as I email address if I > want to. Two things to remember for anyone who wants to contact me. And > I can decide on which terminal device I will accept communication and I > am free to switch my user agent if I feel a need for it. > > Why two??? Just put your SIP-, IAX2- or email-address into an ENUM-NAPTR > ;) > > > I can see a number of roadblocks for the further success of VoIP > telephony: > > > > * Protocol fight. That SIP / H.323 / IAX2 thing is like the VHS / Beta > or HD-DVD / BlueRay thing. Did SMTP / RFC822 ever have to seriously > compete against any other protocols? I am very frustrated that often I > can find a VoIP termination provider which is offering nice rates for a > certain destination, but unfortunately, they don't speak my protocol. > > That's quite a fault by the IETF. The IETF didn't want to have two > protocols competing against each other, so they decided to accept only one > as RFC. But what they didn't consider was that the first protocol on the > market (SIP) can just be a mess. So we have the situation that everyone > has to use SIP as it's standardized, but people who are frustrated of > failed an choppy calls switch to the far more better IAX2. So IETF > achieved what they didn't want - two competing protocols. > > Hardware vendors - like SNOM - want to switch to IAX2, but no standard, no > implementation :( > > So I hope IETF or ITU accept IAX2 as standard and we can bury SIP finally. > > > * The de-facto ENUM boycott. There is exactly one way to handle this > IMO: Regulation. Period. Telco's don't want is, as they did not want > number portability as they did not want a lot of other things. > > You're right. Regulators should just force the telcos to evaluate ENUM at > each call. That way each user can have his custom routing. > > The next step would be to force the telcos to terminate with SIP/IAX2. > > > * Flatrates and the GSM revolution. I know a number of countries where > people know fixed line phones just from old movies and laught at it. > Where people still use landline phones, more often than not you can get > a flatrate for unlimited national landline calls, for a bit more also > national mobile networks or landlines on the same continent. The > argument that VoIP is cheaper only work in niche situations any more. On > the other hand, if GSM operators keep one thing up, it's their > termination fees. (They usually keep them exactly at what the regulators > allow them to charge.) > > UMTS phones use SIP, too ;) But you get charged for a satelite call and > telcos explicitly deny the use of own VoIP on data connections. :( > > Regards, > > Renne > > > > > _______________________________________________ > ekiga-list mailing list > ekiga-list at gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list From michel.memeteau at gmail.com Fri Apr 4 11:28:10 2008 From: michel.memeteau at gmail.com (michel memeteau) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 13:28:10 +0200 Subject: [Ekiga-list] [Ekiga-devel-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only* In-Reply-To: <20080404093515.13300@gmx.net> References: <47980.212.60.138.116.1207254118.squirrel@www.bartschnet.de> <20080404093515.13300@gmx.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Torsten Schlabach wrote: > > and we can bury SIP finally. Joking ? Sip support is really important. Most VideOIP software support it. -- %<------------------------------------------------------->% Michel memeteau Blog 0.2 : http://memeteau.free.fr Fixe : 0874763294 Mobile : 0624808051 VOIP | Visio: sip:freechelmi at gizmoproject.com jabber/GoogleTalk : xmpp:freechelmi at jabber.fr From TSchlabach at gmx.net Fri Apr 4 12:33:25 2008 From: TSchlabach at gmx.net (Torsten Schlabach) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:33:25 +0200 Subject: [Ekiga-list] [Ekiga-devel-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only* In-Reply-To: References: <47980.212.60.138.116.1207254118.squirrel@www.bartschnet.de> <20080404093515.13300@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20080404123325.310710@gmx.net> > > and we can bury SIP finally. > > Joking ? Sip support is really important. Most VideOIP software support > it. Keep cool! I think all he wanted to say was: Nobody who does not *want* to use SIP but would rather prefer IAX2 (for example, because he's behind a NAT firewall and has problems to make STUN work properly) will not be forced into SIP anymore. If IAX2 will marginalize SIP (as SIP did with H.323) is to be seen. Just wondering, and yes, this is entirely off-topic: Does IAX2 support video? Regards, Torsten From david at freeknowledge.eu Fri Apr 4 15:50:53 2008 From: david at freeknowledge.eu (David Jacovkis) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 17:50:53 +0200 Subject: [Ekiga-list] freeze with Microdia webcam In-Reply-To: References: <47F24213.3010109@freeknowledge.eu> Message-ID: <47F64E5D.7020602@freeknowledge.eu> Hi Dee, thanks for your comments. D Webb wrote: > I have seen webcams do this, although not specifically with Ekiga. This > happened > on older computers with newer software. You have quite recent software. > Maybe > you are running on some older hardware like a Pentium II? > > I have solved similar problems by adding some swap. Not much is needed > either, > maybe a few hundred MB. > > Dee That's most surely not the case, this is a ~2 yo laptop with an Intel Core Duo T7100 processor and 2Gb RAM that hasn't needed to swap in months... David From dlw_insulin at hotmail.com Fri Apr 4 17:51:28 2008 From: dlw_insulin at hotmail.com (D Webb) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 17:51:28 +0000 Subject: [Ekiga-list] details: Ekiga crash on Slackware 12.0 In-Reply-To: <1207298305.4198.8.camel@scorpion> References: <47F31BE9.90601@sun.com> <1207161657.4189.7.camel@scorpion> <1207207745.4149.3.camel@scorpion> <1207213595.4149.23.camel@scorpion> <1207215904.4149.34.camel@scorpion> <1207218179.4149.46.camel@scorpion> <1207298305.4198.8.camel@scorpion> Message-ID: I cannot find any way to edit the original bug report to increase the priority, but I think we have made it quite clear there is a crash affecting a lot of people. Not sure I can do much more for the moment. Thanks for all your help so far. Greatly appreciated! Dee _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_042008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlw_insulin at hotmail.com Fri Apr 4 17:54:00 2008 From: dlw_insulin at hotmail.com (D Webb) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 17:54:00 +0000 Subject: [Ekiga-list] freeze with Microdia webcam In-Reply-To: <47F64E5D.7020602@freeknowledge.eu> References: <47F24213.3010109@freeknowledge.eu> <47F64E5D.7020602@freeknowledge.eu> Message-ID: > > I have solved similar problems by adding some swap. Not much is needed > > either, > > maybe a few hundred MB. > > > > Dee > > That's most surely not the case, this is a ~2 yo laptop with an Intel Core Duo > T7100 processor and 2Gb RAM that hasn't needed to swap in months... > > David The limited memory problem is the only case I have seen this freezing. I cannot say it for sure your problem, just trying to help. How does "top" look? Are you using a kernel that actually uses both processors and you see this with hitting "1" while top is running? Dee _________________________________________________________________ More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_instantaccess_042008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ML at Bartschnet.de Fri Apr 4 20:35:30 2008 From: ML at Bartschnet.de (Rene Bartsch) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 22:35:30 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Ekiga-list] IAX2 support (was (Re: [Ekiga-devel-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only*) In-Reply-To: <20080404123325.310710@gmx.net> References: <47980.212.60.138.116.1207254118.squirrel@www.bartschnet.de> <20080404093515.13300@gmx.net> <20080404123325.310710@gmx.net> Message-ID: <38675.212.60.138.116.1207341330.squirrel@www.bartschnet.de> >> > and we can bury SIP finally. >> >> Joking ? Sip support is really important. Most VideOIP software support >> it. > > Keep cool! > > I think all he wanted to say was: Nobody who does not *want* to use SIP > but would rather prefer IAX2 (for example, because he's behind a NAT > firewall and has problems to make STUN work properly) will not be forced > into SIP anymore. Yes, I just want to be able to connect to anyone with SIP. Mmh, I never tried whether IAX clients can work work peer-to-peer (with some DNS tricks it's possible with any SIP client). > If IAX2 will marginalize SIP (as SIP did with H.323) is to be seen. If it's standardized it has the potential to do this within a few years. - VSPs: Less horsepowers on the VoIP servers - Hardware vendors: Much cheaper hardware - Users: Much more reliable, only one NAT-port By the way, about three years ago I did some testing with IAX and SIP. On a Server (Intel P4, 1024 MB RAM, 100 MBit/s inernet connection) I had set up an Asterisk installation with facsimile support. The server was connected to a PSTN gateway of a VSP with SIP and IAX. Then I tried to send 10 facsimilies from a facsimile machine (FAX (analogue) -> ISDN -> PSTN -> PSTN Gateway -> Internet -> Asterisk server). The latencies between PSTN gateway and Asterisk server were about 5 -10 msecs. With IAX eight facsimilies were successful, SIP failed completely! > Just wondering, and yes, this is entirely off-topic: > > Does IAX2 support video? http://iaxclient.wiki.sourceforge.net/ Regards, Rene From ML at Bartschnet.de Fri Apr 4 20:39:18 2008 From: ML at Bartschnet.de (Rene Bartsch) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 22:39:18 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Ekiga-list] IAX2 support (was (Re: [Ekiga-devel-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only*) In-Reply-To: <38675.212.60.138.116.1207341330.squirrel@www.bartschnet.de> References: <47980.212.60.138.116.1207254118.squirrel@www.bartschnet.de> <20080404093515.13300@gmx.net> <20080404123325.310710@gmx.net> <38675.212.60.138.116.1207341330.squirrel@www.bartschnet.de> Message-ID: <57665.212.60.138.116.1207341558.squirrel@www.bartschnet.de> > Yes, I just want to be able to connect to anyone with SIP. Oops, meant IAX2, of course !!! Regards, Rene From derek at indranet.co.nz Fri Apr 4 21:28:31 2008 From: derek at indranet.co.nz (Derek Smithies) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 10:28:31 +1300 (NZDT) Subject: [Ekiga-list] IAX2 support (was (Re: [Ekiga-devel-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only*) In-Reply-To: <38675.212.60.138.116.1207341330.squirrel@www.bartschnet.de> References: <47980.212.60.138.116.1207254118.squirrel@www.bartschnet.de> <20080404093515.13300@gmx.net> <20080404123325.310710@gmx.net> <38675.212.60.138.116.1207341330.squirrel@www.bartschnet.de> Message-ID: Hi, On Fri, 4 Apr 2008, Rene Bartsch wrote: >> >> I think all he wanted to say was: Nobody who does not *want* to use SIP >> but would rather prefer IAX2 (for example, because he's behind a NAT >> firewall and has problems to make STUN work properly) will not be forced >> into SIP anymore. > > Yes, I just want to be able to connect to anyone with SIP. > > Mmh, I never tried whether IAX clients can work work peer-to-peer (with > some DNS tricks it's possible with any SIP client). They can work peer to peer. The iax2 protocol does allow for p2p. Difficulty is that iax2 (as a voip protocol) is part PBX protocol, and there are many PBX things bound into iax2 that (my view) don't belong there. > >> If IAX2 will marginalize SIP (as SIP did with H.323) is to be seen. SIP never maginalised h.323 because of better technology. Sip marginalised h.323 cause of better publicity. However, lets us avoid timewasting h.323 vs sip discussions. I will simply quote Craig Southeren "I have implemented both protocols. They are both overly complex. I hate both of them". There is some iax2 code in the opal trunk true, and in branch v3_2. I have just integrated it better into opal's call phase model. So, Iax2 can be made to work in Ekiga. Anyone interested in fixing the rough edges, and making it work? > - VSPs: Less horsepowers on the VoIP servers > - Hardware vendors: Much cheaper hardware > - Users: Much more reliable, only one NAT-port > > By the way, about three years ago I did some testing with IAX and SIP. > On a Server (Intel P4, 1024 MB RAM, 100 MBit/s inernet connection) I had > set up an Asterisk installation with facsimile support. The server was > connected to a PSTN gateway of a VSP with SIP and IAX. Then I tried to > send 10 facsimilies from a facsimile machine (FAX (analogue) -> ISDN -> > PSTN -> PSTN Gateway -> Internet -> Asterisk server). The latencies > between PSTN gateway and Asterisk server were about 5 -10 msecs. > > With IAX eight facsimilies were successful, SIP failed completely! No. This is an implementation issue of the SIP/fax/iax. The packets still take the same time to go over the network. The latency should be the same. Sip has been correctly described as the largest denial of service attack on the IETF working process. Derek. -- Derek Smithies Ph.D. IndraNet Technologies Ltd. Email: derek at indranet.co.nz ph +64 3 365 6485 Web: http://www.indranet-technologies.com/ From david at freeknowledge.eu Wed Apr 9 11:48:50 2008 From: david at freeknowledge.eu (David Jacovkis) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:48:50 +0200 Subject: [Ekiga-list] freeze with Microdia webcam In-Reply-To: References: <47F24213.3010109@freeknowledge.eu> <47F64E5D.7020602@freeknowledge.eu> Message-ID: <47FCAD22.7080807@freeknowledge.eu> Hi Dee, D Webb wrote: > How does "top" look? > Are you > using a kernel that actually uses both processors and you see this with > hitting > "1" while top is running? yes, the 2 processors are active and Ekiga takes over one of them when the camera is connected: #~ top (...) Cpu0 : 5.6%us, 1.0%sy, 0.0%ni, 93.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.3%si, 0.0%st Cpu1 : 0.3%us, 99.7%sy, 0.0%ni, 0.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st (...) 21377 david 20 0 86224 29m 19m R 98 1.5 0:08.80 ekiga (...) I'm using Debian Lenny's latest kernel: #~ uname -rsv Linux 2.6.24-1-686 #1 SMP Thu Mar 27 17:45:04 UTC 2008 I guess this can be a problem in the uvcvideo driver, but it seems to work ok with other apps... any suggestions on how to further debug this? Thanks for your comments, ^d -- David Jacovkis Free Knowledge Institute http://freeknowledge.eu Wibautstraat 150, 0 1 Vloer 1091GR Amsterdam, Nederland +31208910319 +31628861410 From dlw_insulin at hotmail.com Wed Apr 9 13:14:50 2008 From: dlw_insulin at hotmail.com (D Webb) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 13:14:50 +0000 Subject: [Ekiga-list] freeze with Microdia webcam In-Reply-To: <47FCAD22.7080807@freeknowledge.eu> References: <47F24213.3010109@freeknowledge.eu> <47F64E5D.7020602@freeknowledge.eu> <47FCAD22.7080807@freeknowledge.eu> Message-ID: > Hi Dee, > > D Webb wrote: > > How does "top" look? > > Are you > > using a kernel that actually uses both processors and you see this with > > hitting > > "1" while top is running? > > yes, the 2 processors are active and Ekiga takes over one of them when the > camera is connected: > > #~ top > (...) > Cpu0 : 5.6%us, 1.0%sy, 0.0%ni, 93.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.3%si, 0.0%st > Cpu1 : 0.3%us, 99.7%sy, 0.0%ni, 0.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st > (...) > 21377 david 20 0 86224 29m 19m R 98 1.5 0:08.80 ekiga > (...) > > I'm using Debian Lenny's latest kernel: > > #~ uname -rsv > Linux 2.6.24-1-686 #1 SMP Thu Mar 27 17:45:04 UTC 2008 > > I guess this can be a problem in the uvcvideo driver, but it seems to work ok > with other apps... any suggestions on how to further debug this? > > Thanks for your comments, Hi again, I can't think of anything more right now. It seems we have similar SMP machines and kernels. The memory problem on older machines with less memory was one I knew about because I have seen it reproducibly. I also know that adding swap made it go away, again, on a much older machine. I have had problems with Ekiga crashing when I try to make a call, but I have left it on for days at a time without making a call, but with my webcam installed and it looked to keep grabbing frames in a steady stream for the entire time. My webcam is a USB Philips ToUcam using the pre-packaged kernel driver. I have heard of some webcam problems regarding V4L2 with Ekiga that disappeared once switched to V4L (maybe vice versa as well). I guess you could try changing the webcam settings in Ekiga and see what happens. Dee _________________________________________________________________ Get in touch in an instant. 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In-Reply-To: References: <47DD204B.6040204@lavignotte.org> <47DD6A58.7030100@free.fr> <2af451740803161314i4d1bd7b9v2e99efda0f2fb1ff@mail.gmail.com> <47DD8D51.9070709@lavignotte.org> <1205703385.19476.6.camel@scorpion> <47DDA52C.8090706@free.fr> <1205723535.4073.4.camel@scorpion> <47DE42C5.9060400@free.fr> <47DE4A76.1090609@lavignotte.org> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 12:50 PM, michel memeteau wrote: > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 11:39 AM, jacques wrote: > > > > > I am still ready tests with anybody else. > > > > Jacques > > Hi Jack , I will Give a try tonight with XLite/Xmeeting from Marseille Hi all , We did not made it through for our bunch of tests. I propose to keep on the Ubuntu Jabber room in order to keep in touch ( Sorry French inside ) : http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1664082 > > > -- > %<------------------------------------------------------->% > Michel memeteau > Blog 0.2 : http://memeteau.free.fr > Fixe : 0874763294 Mobile : 0624808051 > VOIP | Visio: sip:freechelmi at gizmoproject.com > jabber/GoogleTalk : xmpp:freechelmi at jabber.fr -- %<------------------------------------------------------->% Michel memeteau Blog 0.2 : http://memeteau.free.fr Fixe : 0874763294 Mobile : 0624808051 VOIP | Visio: sip:freechelmi at gizmoproject.com jabber/GoogleTalk : xmpp:freechelmi at jabber.fr From wim.bertels at khleuven.be Thu Apr 10 13:30:12 2008 From: wim.bertels at khleuven.be (Wim Bertels) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 15:30:12 +0200 Subject: [Ekiga-list] pc to phone from belgium or roaming with laptop? Message-ID: <20080410153012.u47jo0v3bjcowok8@webmail.khleuven.be> Hi, i have questions about the pc to phone solution. 1. this is only possible using diamondcard? 2. which access point would u choose being in belgium? 3. which access point would u choose in poland? (the cheapest that works..) 4. or am i understand access points to wrong way? eg. calling from belgium to belgium, it seems strange to go via france? (more expensive probably) thank you, Wim From sevmek at free.fr Thu Apr 10 13:51:56 2008 From: sevmek at free.fr (yannick) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 15:51:56 +0200 Subject: [Ekiga-list] pc to phone from belgium or roaming with laptop? In-Reply-To: <20080410153012.u47jo0v3bjcowok8@webmail.khleuven.be> References: <20080410153012.u47jo0v3bjcowok8@webmail.khleuven.be> Message-ID: <1207835516.15187.47.camel@achille> Hi, Le jeudi 10 avril 2008 ? 15:30 +0200, Wim Bertels a ?crit : > Hi, > > i have questions about the pc to phone solution. > > 1. this is only possible using diamondcard? > 2. which access point would u choose being in belgium? > 3. which access point would u choose in poland? > (the cheapest that works..) > 4. or am i understand access points to wrong way? > > eg. calling from belgium to belgium, it seems strange to go via france? > (more expensive probably) > http://wiki.ekiga.org/index.php/Calling#How_do_I_call_.3F https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ekiga#head-5f001ee40547e44410089b723f8128c3c8db3f74 http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/ekiga#communications_avec_les_telephones_fixes_ou_mobiles Hope that helps, Regards, Yannick > thank you, > Wim > > > _______________________________________________ > ekiga-list mailing list > ekiga-list at gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list > -- Me joindre en t?l?phonie IP / vid?oconf?rence ? sip:yannick at ekiga.net Logiciel de VoIP Ekiga : http://www.ekiga.org http://wiki.ekiga.org/index.php/Which_programs_work_with_Ekiga_%3F From valeria_morucci at yahoo.it Fri Apr 11 10:15:38 2008 From: valeria_morucci at yahoo.it (valeria morucci) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 12:15:38 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Ekiga-list] double video interface Message-ID: <630555.53586.qm@web26502.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> hi to all, i'i've a question: how can i have a double video interface when i make a video-call with ekiga? it's setting by default or there's an option i've to flag? thanks a lot guys. byebye --------------------------------- Inviato da Yahoo! Mail. La casella di posta intelligente. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From edunagin at gmail.com Fri Apr 11 15:23:46 2008 From: edunagin at gmail.com (Edward Dunagin) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 09:23:46 -0600 Subject: [Ekiga-list] double video interface In-Reply-To: <630555.53586.qm@web26502.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <630555.53586.qm@web26502.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2af451740804110823i187b6f57t8b334605072604b5@mail.gmail.com> Hi, On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 4:15 AM, valeria morucci wrote: > hi to all, > i'i've a question: how can i have a double video interface when i make a > video-call with ekiga? it's setting by default or there's an option i've to > flag? When you are in a call, select the View at the top of your Ekiga screen and you will then see selections you can make for this and other functions. When you are not in a call, then the other functions are dimmed and not selectable. Hope this helps.... Peace.....................ed Edward Dunagin-Dunigan Bozeman, MT 59718 mobile 406-570-0992 Landline 406-556-7282 VOIP:sip:edunagin at ekiga.net http://doas.montanalinux.org From billk at iinet.net.au Sun Apr 13 11:38:46 2008 From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:38:46 +0800 Subject: [Ekiga-list] ekiga to sony PCS-G70 doesnt work Message-ID: <1208086727.32601.6.camel@rattus> I have ekiga working fine ekiga to ekiga or ekiga to netmeeting in two locations (laptop!), however I cant get it to work with a Sony PCS-70G (ipela) at work Ekiga has video from the sony, but the sony just shows a black screen from ekiga. The firewall is off and both devices are on the same switch (in the same room with the switch in fact) Where else can I look? BillK -- William Kenworthy Home in Perth! From dsandras at seconix.com Sun Apr 13 17:32:48 2008 From: dsandras at seconix.com (Damien Sandras) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:32:48 +0200 Subject: [Ekiga-list] ekiga to sony PCS-G70 doesnt work In-Reply-To: <1208086727.32601.6.camel@rattus> References: <1208086727.32601.6.camel@rattus> Message-ID: <1208107968.4375.8.camel@scorpion> Le dimanche 13 avril 2008 ? 19:38 +0800, William Kenworthy a ?crit : > I have ekiga working fine ekiga to ekiga or ekiga to netmeeting in two > locations (laptop!), however I cant get it to work with a Sony PCS-70G > (ipela) at work > > Ekiga has video from the sony, but the sony just shows a black screen > from ekiga. > > The firewall is off and both devices are on the same switch (in the same > room with the switch in fact) > > Where else can I look? Most probably the Sony PCS-70G does not support some elements encoded by Ekiga. There is nothing to do except trying another codec. Ekiga 3.00 will support more video codecs, you might give it a try. -- _ Damien Sandras (o- //\ Ekiga Softphone : http://www.ekiga.org/ v_/_ NOVACOM : http://www.novacom.be/ FOSDEM : http://www.fosdem.org/ SIP Phone : sip:dsandras at ekiga.net From marcel.dess at gmail.com Sun Apr 13 18:21:24 2008 From: marcel.dess at gmail.com (Marcel Dess) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 14:21:24 -0400 Subject: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga SVN freez on Kubuntu Hardy Message-ID: <48024F24.4070507@gmail.com> Hi! April -13- 2008 I tested Ekiga svn on Kubuntu Hardy beta. 1) Ekiga start -OK 2) Call 500 at ekiga.net and link - OK 3) Echo test work good - OK 4) Ekiga freez. I send gdb-ekiga.txt to: http://pastebin.ca/983855 M.Dess From patrick.lenders at gmail.com Sun Apr 20 23:50:18 2008 From: patrick.lenders at gmail.com (Patrick Lenders) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:50:18 +1000 Subject: [Ekiga-list] Slow to connect Message-ID: Dear all, I run Fedora on a Dell laptop. Ekiga regiters correctly to the server, but when I dial a number, it takes about one minute to actually start ringing. I Dumped the output, and the server replies with SIP/2.0 401 Unauthorized 3 or 4 times, and then suddenly it accepts it and the rest works ok. I tried to change to DNS but it doesn't work any better. Any idea? Thanx! Patrick -- Patrick Lenders From dsandras at seconix.com Mon Apr 21 09:53:59 2008 From: dsandras at seconix.com (Damien Sandras) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:53:59 +0200 Subject: [Ekiga-list] Slow to connect In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1208771639.30603.11.camel@scorpion> Hi, Le lundi 21 avril 2008 ? 09:50 +1000, Patrick Lenders a ?crit : > Dear all, > I run Fedora on a Dell laptop. Ekiga regiters correctly to the server, > but when I dial a number, it takes about one minute to actually start > ringing. I Dumped the output, and the server replies with > SIP/2.0 401 Unauthorized 3 or 4 times, and then suddenly it accepts it > and the rest works ok. > I tried to change to DNS but it doesn't work any better. Did you try 4.2.2.4 as *only* DNS in /etc/resolv.conf ? -- _ Damien Sandras (o- //\ Ekiga Softphone : http://www.ekiga.org/ v_/_ NOVACOM : http://www.novacom.be/ FOSDEM : http://www.fosdem.org/ SIP Phone : sip:dsandras at ekiga.net From edunagin at gmail.com Tue Apr 22 22:13:14 2008 From: edunagin at gmail.com (Edward Dunagin) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:13:14 -0600 Subject: [Ekiga-list] Slow to connect In-Reply-To: <1208771639.30603.11.camel@scorpion> References: <1208771639.30603.11.camel@scorpion> Message-ID: <2af451740804221513o1d6c0cffqd0a484d675ce6164@mail.gmail.com> Hi Damien, On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 3:53 AM, Damien Sandras wrote: > Hi, > > Le lundi 21 avril 2008 ? 09:50 +1000, Patrick Lenders a ?crit : > > > Dear all, > > I run Fedora on a Dell laptop. Ekiga regiters correctly to the server, > > but when I dial a number, it takes about one minute to actually start > > ringing. I Dumped the output, and the server replies with > > SIP/2.0 401 Unauthorized 3 or 4 times, and then suddenly it accepts it > > and the rest works ok. > > I tried to change to DNS but it doesn't work any better. > > Did you try 4.2.2.4 as *only* DNS in /etc/resolv.conf ? Why would one want to do this? I have my nameservers in there. Peace...............ed Edward Dunagin-Dunigan Bozeman, MT 59718 mobile 406-570-0992 Landline 406-556-7282 VOIP:sip:edunagin at ekiga.net http://doas.montanalinux.org From dsandras at seconix.com Wed Apr 23 07:38:56 2008 From: dsandras at seconix.com (Damien Sandras) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:38:56 +0200 Subject: [Ekiga-list] Slow to connect In-Reply-To: <2af451740804221513o1d6c0cffqd0a484d675ce6164@mail.gmail.com> References: <1208771639.30603.11.camel@scorpion> <2af451740804221513o1d6c0cffqd0a484d675ce6164@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1208936336.4237.0.camel@scorpion> Le mardi 22 avril 2008 ? 16:13 -0600, Edward Dunagin a ?crit : > Hi Damien, > > On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 3:53 AM, Damien Sandras wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Le lundi 21 avril 2008 ? 09:50 +1000, Patrick Lenders a ?crit : > > > > > Dear all, > > > I run Fedora on a Dell laptop. Ekiga regiters correctly to the server, > > > but when I dial a number, it takes about one minute to actually start > > > ringing. I Dumped the output, and the server replies with > > > SIP/2.0 401 Unauthorized 3 or 4 times, and then suddenly it accepts it > > > and the rest works ok. > > > I tried to change to DNS but it doesn't work any better. > > > > Did you try 4.2.2.4 as *only* DNS in /etc/resolv.conf ? > > Why would one want to do this? I have my nameservers in there. > Because some DNS do not answer to SRV requests. -- _ Damien Sandras (o- //\ Ekiga Softphone : http://www.ekiga.org/ v_/_ NOVACOM : http://www.novacom.be/ FOSDEM : http://www.fosdem.org/ SIP Phone : sip:dsandras at ekiga.net From arph at gmx.net Mon Apr 28 18:50:54 2008 From: arph at gmx.net (arph at gmx.net) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:50:54 +0200 Subject: [Ekiga-list] Status of SRTP/ZRTP Privacy in ekiga Message-ID: <48161C8E.2010606@gmx.net> hello, i would like to know what the status of SRTP/ZRTP Privacy in ekiga is. how strong will the encryption be, how secure will the key-exchange be, and anything else that is worth to say about this toppic. thanks jack From TSchlabach at gmx.net Wed Apr 30 07:53:06 2008 From: TSchlabach at gmx.net (Torsten Schlabach) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:53:06 +0200 Subject: [Ekiga-list] ENUM lookup in Ekiga? Message-ID: <20080430075306.57160@gmx.net> Hi all! Sorry if that has been discussed before, but I did not find anything relevant in the archives or bugs / enhancements? Can Ekiga do an ENUM lookup for outgoing calls? Regards, Torsten From dsandras at seconix.com Wed Apr 30 08:18:17 2008 From: dsandras at seconix.com (Damien Sandras) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:18:17 +0200 Subject: [Ekiga-list] ENUM lookup in Ekiga? In-Reply-To: <20080430075306.57160@gmx.net> References: <20080430075306.57160@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1209543497.4590.5.camel@scorpion> Le mercredi 30 avril 2008 ? 09:53 +0200, Torsten Schlabach a ?crit : > Hi all! > > Sorry if that has been discussed before, but I did not find anything relevant in the archives or bugs / enhancements? > > Can Ekiga do an ENUM lookup for outgoing calls? > If I remember correctly, you have to start the number with a + -- _ Damien Sandras (o- //\ Ekiga Softphone : http://www.ekiga.org/ v_/_ NOVACOM : http://www.novacom.be/ FOSDEM : http://www.fosdem.org/ SIP Phone : sip:dsandras at ekiga.net From dsandras at seconix.com Wed Apr 30 08:30:11 2008 From: dsandras at seconix.com (Damien Sandras) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:30:11 +0200 Subject: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga developers interview on Free Software Magazine Message-ID: <1209544211.4590.10.camel@scorpion> Hello, See: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/interview_with_ekiga_developers -- _ Damien Sandras (o- //\ Ekiga Softphone : http://www.ekiga.org/ v_/_ NOVACOM : http://www.novacom.be/ FOSDEM : http://www.fosdem.org/ SIP Phone : sip:dsandras at ekiga.net From dlw_insulin at hotmail.com Wed Apr 30 08:36:27 2008 From: dlw_insulin at hotmail.com (D Webb) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:36:27 +0000 Subject: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga developers interview on Free Software Magazine In-Reply-To: <1209544211.4590.10.camel@scorpion> References: <1209544211.4590.10.camel@scorpion> Message-ID: I hope you mentioned the ALSA bug. Word really needs to get out. Dominic > From: dsandras at seconix.com > To: ekiga-devel-list at gnome.org > Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:30:11 +0200 > CC: ekiga-list at gnome.org > Subject: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga developers interview on Free Software Magazine > > Hello, > > See: > http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/interview_with_ekiga_developers > -- > _ Damien Sandras > (o- > //\ Ekiga Softphone : http://www.ekiga.org/ > v_/_ NOVACOM : http://www.novacom.be/ > FOSDEM : http://www.fosdem.org/ > SIP Phone : sip:dsandras at ekiga.net > > > _______________________________________________ > ekiga-list mailing list > ekiga-list at gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list _________________________________________________________________ Make i'm yours.? Create a custom banner to support your cause. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Contribute/Default.aspx?source=TXT_TAGHM_MSN_Make_IM_Yours -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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