Hello,

On the two occasions I had to ha= ve formulas in Dia, I made them in another program, created a screen dump b= itmap, and put that in as a Picture.

On Sat, Jun 7= , 2014 at 11:32 AM, Wenhao Jiang <cswhjiang@gmail.com> wro= te:

=
Hello,

I am using Dia (dia-gnome 0.= 97.2) to draw a simple diagram with some simple formulas. I put $\beta$ on = it. But Dia does not give me the results I want. Did I use it in a wrong wa= y? How can I add text with formulas?

Thanks!

Bes= t Regards,
Wenhao Jiang

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To invent, you need a good imagin= ation and a pile of junk.

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--20cf305b1286ec208904fb42d192-- From bps36@case.edu Mon Jun 9 13:17:26 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dia-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B9347685E for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2014 13:17:26 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5yfY-WHj4KRE for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2014 13:17:25 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 424 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at restaurant.gnome.org; Mon, 09 Jun 2014 13:17:24 UTC Received: from mpv1.tis.cwru.edu (mpv1.tis.CWRU.Edu [129.22.105.36]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E12F2765C5 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2014 13:17:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mpv6.tis.CWRU.Edu (EHLO mpv6.cwru.edu) ([129.22.104.221]) by mpv1.tis.cwru.edu (MOS 4.3.5-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BHH25184; Mon, 09 Jun 2014 09:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-ie0-f178.google.com (EHLO mail-ie0-f178.google.com) ([209.85.223.178]) by mpv6.cwru.edu (MOS 4.3.5-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id AME37835; Mon, 09 Jun 2014 09:09:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f178.google.com with SMTP id rl12so5721867iec.9 for ; Mon, 09 Jun 2014 06:09:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=jxRvkniSbEFWURtZpwENrjVuQINC5j+wKHbW4INzU+c=; b=GHahclvjw7IkcQDuhZfWk+MRBgKI6eNuKEubXJA6QP4P/WiAYACjorGBO6VcJBaBpN RTsm914ryCWRu4OiIh4cPkFZ91mYMoae6J7Rl//A+eDVWi5u1uTIgEE/zgarLN24Jwly /AYtn6YhfyuAQV6XEh0ICnRZii01Xh5Sa99A9uUBtnhgYqZEd5tJTOjHlXTCvpo9hatm I8TV4v1ZkZocB6KjpQS/KdafokMsPWylaVGIoZy3wDzUNSB/OZ5LF3s9gSs92vAst7K2 QhTyuW+K6416VWjle+2zZ0mAblsCZwKLLC3t2eCjp8uWb5GpHUAzUTbIxay8WCRPIxFU R5KQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmOG/CjzhO6i0geIxz11BeaBhmNWmA74vnHtuCOLWM+K5Z/rGR0lRrTQMUO5cJkBoiwx33Sve0OwLtUazReYK517EP+GtQgjARMyZaKjScvTC9L4NE= X-Received: by 10.42.127.199 with SMTP id j7mr28449147ics.27.1402319397787; Mon, 09 Jun 2014 06:09:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.42.127.199 with SMTP id j7mr28449140ics.27.1402319397701; Mon, 09 Jun 2014 06:09:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.20.133 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Jun 2014 06:09:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 09:09:57 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Need guidance about basic shapes From: Bhanu Singh To: dia-list@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba4765058feb0404fb66ed14 X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mpv1.tis.cwru.edu) X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2014 13:17:26 -0000 --90e6ba4765058feb0404fb66ed14 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi, I am using basic (standard) shape *arc* in my diagram. How can i embedded textbox within in Arc shape. Arc is basic shape in Dia so i will have to modify basic shapes in Dia to insert a textbox. Dia provides a option to add Text object to an ARC but this does not embedded Text with the Arc shape. It makes it difficult to extract text from a corresponding arc from a SVG file. Please let me know how basic shapes can be modified in Dia -- Bhanu Singh --90e6ba4765058feb0404fb66ed14 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

I am using basic (standard) shape arc in my diagram.

How can i embedded textbox within in Arc shape. Arc is basic shape in Dia s= o i will have to modify basic shapes in Dia to insert a textbox.=C2=A0

Dia provides a option to add Text object to an ARC but this does not = embedded=C2=A0

Text with the Arc shape. It makes it difficult to extract text from a corre= sponding arc from a SVG file.

Please let me know how basic shapes can be modified in Dia

--
Bhanu Sing= h

--90e6ba4765058feb0404fb66ed14-- From dqvinh87@gmail.com Mon Jun 9 13:24:18 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dia-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DACDF768C6 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2014 13:24:18 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.262 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.262 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_REMOTE_IMAGE=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R8Fw8HXtXkU2 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2014 13:24:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-f173.google.com (mail-wi0-f173.google.com [209.85.212.173]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8753E7685E for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2014 13:23:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f173.google.com with SMTP id bs8so4249056wib.0 for ; Mon, 09 Jun 2014 06:23:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-language:thread-index; bh=WhnFurx0Tok95IAfAjbHJfBUAPgmqQ6KrUdMUtueNa4=; b=tnaTOHHXynu843lS+yaB+heZMmKVwKIxtaWpHS3sQ61fi00d3gFcVKWpZVNZ9ckfEE WZRLZ4AvgxuaysUv8L62/+GXi/3MLBVXY6BRxsFTUp6CWjIBii5e5Qef8VEQXhhckq9f YvmhQlOcFKmKSrEXNaTXX888WsdIoWKf3YIpnrbzvTDO48jvw6JWW+jUmRG4Zwznwsr+ G1Q8YEQYo4P1BTVopGZKkTeU+r1/9SDfQYYlOnaUTcIubt/G+qn0Bv5hCAZnI7dH9nrA gdeM62vVM2rP1O2rnGjZNnTV4sc0i7lkmPC+N21yjzSGZu9SsUcHv7l2DcLi+LEtu5z8 IOzg== X-Received: by 10.194.122.169 with SMTP id lt9mr32010810wjb.16.1402320235175; Mon, 09 Jun 2014 06:23:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from NBWIN1165 (178-84-85-172.dynamic.upc.nl. [178.84.85.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id s3sm25014524wje.36.2014.06.09.06.23.53 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 09 Jun 2014 06:23:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dang Quang Vinh" To: Subject: How to create an 'arc' connection with embedded text Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 15:23:53 +0200 Message-ID: <00a901cf83e6$0f71d9b0$2e558d10$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AA_01CF83F6.D2FB9410" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 15.0 Content-language: en-us Thread-Index: Ac+D5dQBu61zxfS2RKmJu91212EeBw== X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 140609-0, 06/09/2014), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2014 13:24:18 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01CF83F6.D2FB9410 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, In Dia, when I press shortcut 'A' I can create an arc connection between two objects. But this arc does not have text inside. In UML, if I create a transition between two states, I can add text for this transition. But as I know noway to make this transition become curved, they only are polygon :( Is there anyway to make arc transition with text inside? --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01CF83F6.D2FB9410 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,<= o:p>

In Dia, when I press shortcut ‘A’ I can create an arc connect= ion between two objects. But this arc does not have text inside.=

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------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01CF83F6.D2FB9410-- From michael.e.ross@gmail.com Mon Jun 9 17:52:45 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dia-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C19D8765AF for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2014 17:52:45 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.299 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id heva0htQF51C for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2014 17:52:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yk0-f181.google.com (mail-yk0-f181.google.com [209.85.160.181]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EFBF762AB for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2014 17:52:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yk0-f181.google.com with SMTP id 9so1361186ykp.26 for ; Mon, 09 Jun 2014 10:52:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=XbKOdWVucFe4Z0iOFodiVHr4lII6LTsUspgrVvN4Eng=; b=uVcSo7uC+JbgT3oWIMW2+8Pxs6U7C2DWbz9aUKTTe9sKrgxTfIy1+s3z6rdGOPBLv3 WjXJWWev36Ms4L2AznbhrONrlecN+eokgHZm/yj214iyVErO16u2B+gQLL++Dat10Lb9 PFwry/yf6ry0SLTaYQpcPzD5yW8btHZFaIMOSJhr87zMJP69z23FRH1S1UZRB1guJdwp 738r4DOMbaSK8Az334KVYGDZUvaAxmbwwmlBb0Z2ut8pRD74Sr6ITDJcrCCjIkiwng3F HIGdwj9xpsBYnZGY8dp1uBRmBkerfizF1oLVZ82C83FvJRLSpIFMHHyIjdBhgP+qbKh/ bsMg== X-Received: by 10.236.130.241 with SMTP id k77mr2513919yhi.159.1402336342400; Mon, 09 Jun 2014 10:52:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.170.196.138 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Jun 2014 10:51:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Michael Ross Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 13:51:52 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Need guidance about basic shapes To: discussions about usage and development of dia Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3010e6ff8b85a304fb6adf66 X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2014 17:52:45 -0000 --20cf3010e6ff8b85a304fb6adf66 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I believe I have seen this question answer in the negative. You cannot do this. It is not a shape creation operation, but an actual writing of source code that is needed. In fact I don't believe you can add text to any of the tools - excepting the Outline Text object which has an entry box for the text in its properties. And regular Text. Maybe that is a clue how this might be done. Consider the normal tools, the Outline tool, and shapes which have text box entry such as the Flowchart shapes. In truth I am bull'es'ing. Perhaps you will get a better answer from others. On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 9:09 AM, Bhanu Singh wrote: > Hi, > > I am using basic (standard) shape *arc* in my diagram. > > How can i embedded textbox within in Arc shape. Arc is basic shape in Dia > so i will have to modify basic shapes in Dia to insert a textbox. > > Dia provides a option to add Text object to an ARC but this does not > embedded > Text with the Arc shape. It makes it difficult to extract text from a > corresponding arc from a SVG file. > > Please let me know how basic shapes can be modified in Dia > > > -- > Bhanu Singh > > > _______________________________________________ > dia-list mailing list > dia-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list > FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq > Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia > > > -- Put this question to yourself: should I use everyone else to attain happiness, or should I help others gain happiness? *Dalai Lama * Tell me what it is you plan to do With your one wild and precious life? Mary Oliver, "The summer day." To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet* Michael E. Ross (919) 550-2430 Land (919) 576-0824 Google Phone (919) 631-1451 Cell (919) 513-0418 Desk michael.e.ross@gmail.com --20cf3010e6ff8b85a304fb6adf66 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I believe I have seen this question answer in the negative= . =C2=A0You cannot do this. =C2=A0It is not a shape creation operation, but= an actual writing of source code that is needed.

In fac= t I don't believe you can add text to any of the tools - excepting the = Outline Text object which has an entry box for the text in its properties. = =C2=A0And regular Text. =C2=A0Maybe that is a clue how this might be done. = =C2=A0Consider the normal tools, =C2=A0the Outline tool, and shapes which h= ave text box entry such as the Flowchart shapes.

In truth I am bull'es'ing. =C2=A0Perhaps you wi= ll get a better answer from others.

<= br>

On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 9:09 AM, Bhanu Sin= gh <bps36@case.edu> wrote:

Hi,

I am using basic (standard) shape arc in my diagram.

=
How can i embedded textbox within in Arc shape. Arc is basic shape in Dia s= o i will have to modify basic shapes in Dia to insert a textbox.=C2=A0

Dia provides a option to add Text object to an ARC but this does not = embedded=C2=A0
Text with the Arc shape. It makes it difficult to extract text from a corre= sponding arc from a SVG file.

Please let me know how basic shapes can be modified in Dia

--
Bhanu Singh

_______________________________________________
dia-list mailing list
dia-list@gnome.org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list
FAQ at http://l= ive.gnome.org/Dia/Faq
Main page at http:/= /live.gnome.org/Dia

Put this question to yourself: should I use every= one else to attain happiness, or should I help others gain happiness? =C2= =A0

Dalai Lama=C2=A0

Tell me what it is you plan to do=

With your one wild and precious life?

Mary Oliver, "= The summer day."

To invent, you need a good imagin= ation and a pile of junk.

T= homas A. Edison

A public-opinion poll is no s= ubstitute for thought.

Warren Buffet

M= ichael E. Ross

(919) 550-2430 Land

(919) 576= -0824=C2=A0Google Phone

(919) 631-1451<= /span> Cell
<= span title=3D"Call with Google Voice">michael.e.ross@gmail.com

<= /div>

--20cf3010e6ff8b85a304fb6adf66-- From dima@ceata.org Tue Jun 10 09:30:06 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dia-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC487768D3 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 09:30:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.352 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.352 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id biIuwmImIRYX for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 09:30:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.ceata.org (mail.ceata.org [94.177.12.141]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8E2C7675C for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 09:29:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ceata.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5E40227B57 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 12:31:02 +0300 (EEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ceata.org; s=default; t=1402392662; bh=zNskjP4KddoXyEBhJrLCJVpUJNPTzY9XJmYRMNb7keE=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=F4n2yNpaZYfUxPn91+6PTEHVe6auF/5xIu4+6FdFQa93XsDTqv5peZdfG1Dx9CQzM jsevNYo1ax2A5AKQEj8xD26ozvomFantYa1CDe4jdtZpuqyGAoVGDirZzCuDXeJJcd zU5mawSU7ikARxfk4Z5znu8NVesXZtoGceZ06zns= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.ceata.org Received: from mail.ceata.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.ceata.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gnWByK+JTnl9 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 12:31:00 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [192.168.1.127] (serv2.fcim.utm.md [81.180.73.222]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.ceata.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49718227B54 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 12:31:00 +0300 (EEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ceata.org; s=default; t=1402392660; bh=zNskjP4KddoXyEBhJrLCJVpUJNPTzY9XJmYRMNb7keE=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=iotd92sFdDKHu3RUbyjgwrUbkI5wOaZZiC49LyeXuCZyn5WsN9G8dbFFyzab0ZJXb u7aIfeu8L0vgqbbrs2nELkWVwOgcdp+9kzQNgnPGmJuD48gnZ7iSkr5XAsuxFIlQRS QSCEDI6Gyh3tySHYNfLvsLpWLZzsM/BuR1xvTFho= Message-ID: <5396D003.2070609@ceata.org> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 12:29:39 +0300 From: Dumitru Ursu User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: discussions about usage and development of dia Subject: Margins for A4 sheet Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------020405050302030601070401" X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 09:30:06 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020405050302030601070401 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I'm having some problems seeing/setting the margins for a A4 page; I've set up from preferences to color the A4 area with a light blue, but the whole canvas is painted; When I export to PDF I get a document of 4 pages, when I really need just one. Also, how do I scale the diagrams? 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Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: discussions about usage and development of dia Subject: Re: Margins for A4 sheet References: <5396D003.2070609@ceata.org> In-Reply-To: <5396D003.2070609@ceata.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 10:36:23 -0000 On 06/10/2014 12:29 PM, Dumitru Ursu wrote: > Hello, > > I'm having some problems seeing/setting the margins for a A4 page; > I've set up from preferences to color the A4 area with a light blue, > but the whole canvas is painted; > When I export to PDF I get a document of 4 pages, when I really need > just one. > Also, how do I scale the diagrams? > http://i.imgur.com/oRqmrI1.png For anyone else having troubles with this, the solution is to go to File > Page Setup, and fiddle around with the scale setting, until the red grid encompases your drawing. The red grid is the one who marks the page border. Also, as a note for developers: can't the infinite canvas be made optional? Having one A4 sheet by default is the way people are acustomed to work. Or maybe some watermarking at each grid intersection: Dima. From anrdaemon@freemail.ru Tue Jun 10 11:05:34 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dia-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E1FA768D8 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 11:05:34 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Score: 2.266 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=2.266 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_ADSP_ALL=0.8, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=no Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V8p7LdmEWbuQ for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 11:05:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpback.ht-systems.ru (smtpback.ht-systems.ru [78.110.50.181]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00288768D3 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 11:05:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [91.76.98.252] (helo=darkdragon.lan) by smtp.ht-systems.ru with esmtpa (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WuJrY-0003yK-FP for dia-list@gnome.org; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 15:05:08 +0400 X-AntiVirus: Checked by Dr.Web [version: 8.0.7.07121, engine: 8.3.0.10280, virus records: 5306741, updated: 9.06.2014] Received: from [192.168.1.10] (HELO daemon2) by daemon2 (Office Mail Server 0.8.12 build 08053101) with SMTP; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 10:56:06 -0000 X-AntiVirus: Checked by Dr.Web [version: 8.0.7.07121, engine: 8.3.0.10280, virus records: 5306741, updated: 9.06.2014] Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 14:56:06 +0400 From: Andrey Repin X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1827416489.20140610145606@yandex.ru> To: Dumitru Ursu Subject: Re: Margins for A4 sheet In-Reply-To: <5396DF79.8000004@ceata.org> References: <5396D003.2070609@ceata.org> <5396DF79.8000004@ceata.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: anrdaemon@freemail.ru, discussions about usage and development of dia List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 11:05:34 -0000 Greetings, Dumitru Ursu! > Also, as a note for developers: can't the infinite canvas be made > optional? Having one A4 sheet by default is the way people are acustomed > to work. I don't know such people myself. Everyone I know used to work on an infinite canvas, and print only the parts they need, at the scale they want. > Or maybe some watermarking at each grid intersection: 600x800px> They are right there, File -> Preferences -> Defaults Page borders -> [x] Visible (Or however else it's called, but it's all there.) -- WBR, Andrey Repin (anrdaemon@freemail.ru) 10.06.2014, <14:52> Sorry for my terrible english... From michael.e.ross@gmail.com Tue Jun 10 13:24:53 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dia-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3876A769C3 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 13:24:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.699 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FREEMAIL_REPLY=1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mrhOt-ueu-GA for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 13:24:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yk0-f176.google.com (mail-yk0-f176.google.com [209.85.160.176]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A14597675C for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 13:24:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yk0-f176.google.com with SMTP id 131so2032115ykp.7 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 06:24:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=ZUfYpTuTCaSyQ94i21X0Raw8bJlHnG1itpmjrwaRZsA=; b=y29IXFV701yyuiC1rorppJLitJmNLBDJi4tynbNfS+jZTlIRTtkAcdsiMpbLKU1dSl 1yEZdf8kiP4lN8K779JqJqUrBzAW6jIK1mMb7/K+PcPpuSv+C+kqL5OAp8vEphmqn6be elOUfNMyCS6buGrx7gmhSuAwwKtsUjubRla2QAwVxb7PhxuyaY/KYtZGKQuFORocx7JU VXvfWCEPVxN3n3LFvZaq6ZgGrp6SZF5z8SqhPFnwZ/IZNOz0hQgu1+OUrisab2cooAkA EDmF76dtLiWLhtwp7hJgZtVsnL3V/IOlGoF3/lM0tayNXgAGiHRd0YDwiVxvtieqjWxR kTww== X-Received: by 10.236.122.180 with SMTP id t40mr1159460yhh.153.1402406669621; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 06:24:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.170.196.138 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 06:23:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1827416489.20140610145606@yandex.ru> References: <5396D003.2070609@ceata.org> <5396DF79.8000004@ceata.org> <1827416489.20140610145606@yandex.ru> From: Michael Ross Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 09:23:59 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Margins for A4 sheet To: Andrey Repin , discussions about usage and development of dia Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3010e5335f9e6904fb7b3fef X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 13:24:53 -0000 --20cf3010e5335f9e6904fb7b3fef Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Right you can show the margin boundaries - if they are set to contrast with the background. You can change the Scale of the page at the Page Setup menu to be practically infinite if you like that. The world can fit inside an A4 sheet if you like, or you can adjust it as needs be. I think that Dia is infinitely adjust able once you understand the tools and the work flow. On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 6:56 AM, Andrey Repin wrote: > Greetings, Dumitru Ursu! > > > Also, as a note for developers: can't the infinite canvas be made > > optional? Having one A4 sheet by default is the way people are acustomed > > to work. > > I don't know such people myself. Everyone I know used to work on an > infinite > canvas, and print only the parts they need, at the scale they want. > > > Or maybe some watermarking at each grid intersection: > 600x800px> > > They are right there, File -> Preferences -> Defaults > Page borders -> [x] Visible > (Or however else it's called, but it's all there.) > > > -- > WBR, > Andrey Repin (anrdaemon@freemail.ru) 10.06.2014, <14:52> > > Sorry for my terrible english... > > _______________________________________________ > dia-list mailing list > dia-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list > FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq > Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia > > -- Put this question to yourself: should I use everyone else to attain happiness, or should I help others gain happiness? *Dalai Lama * Tell me what it is you plan to do With your one wild and precious life? Mary Oliver, "The summer day." To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet* Michael E. Ross (919) 550-2430 Land (919) 576-0824 Google Phone (919) 631-1451 Cell (919) 513-0418 Desk michael.e.ross@gmail.com --20cf3010e5335f9e6904fb7b3fef Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Right you can show the margin boundaries - if they are set= to contrast with the background.

You can change the Sca= le of the page at the Page Setup =C2=A0menu to be practically infinite if y= ou like that. =C2=A0The world can fit inside an A4 sheet if you like, or yo= u can adjust it as needs be.

I think that Dia is infinitely adjust able once you und= erstand the tools and the work flow.

On Tue, Ju= n 10, 2014 at 6:56 AM, Andrey Repin <anrdaemon@freemail.ru> wrote:

Greetings, Dumitru Ursu!

> Also, as a note for developers: can't the infinite canvas be made<= br> > optional? Having one A4 sheet by default is the way people are acustom= ed
> to work.

I don't know such people myself. Everyone I know used to work on an inf= inite
canvas, and print only the parts they need, at the scale they want.

> Or maybe some watermarking at each grid intersection: <This is page= 1,
> 600x800px>

They are right there, File -> Preferences -> Defaults
Page borders -> [x] Visible
(Or however else it's called, but it's all there.)

--
WBR,
Andrey Repin (anrdaemon@freemail.r= u) 10.06.2014, <14:52>

Sorry for my terrible english...

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https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list
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Main page at http:/= /live.gnome.org/Dia

Put this question to yourself: should I use everyone = else to attain happiness, or should I help others gain happiness? =C2=A0

Dalai Lama=C2=A0

Tell me what it is you plan to do=

With your one wild and precious life?

Mary Oliver, "= The summer day."

To invent, you need a good imagin= ation and a pile of junk.

T= homas A. Edison

A public-opinion poll is no s= ubstitute for thought.

Warren Buffet

M= ichael E. Ross

(919) 550-2430 Land

(919) 576= -0824=C2=A0Google Phone

(919) 631-1451<= /span> Cell
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--20cf3010e5335f9e6904fb7b3fef-- From chris@zbmc.eu Tue Jun 10 20:00:25 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dia-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4468765C5 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 20:00:25 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u1TwughHZRBS for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 20:00:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (relay4-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.196]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D3876078 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 20:00:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mfilter27-d.gandi.net (mfilter27-d.gandi.net [217.70.178.155]) by relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE284172074 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 22:00:00 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mfilter27-d.gandi.net Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.196]) by mfilter27-d.gandi.net (mfilter27-d.gandi.net [10.0.15.180]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b+rwR9issWlS for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 21:59:59 +0200 (CEST) X-Originating-IP: 84.92.49.234 Received: from chris.zbmc.eu (chrisisbd01.plus.com [84.92.49.234]) (Authenticated sender: smtp@zbmc.eu) by relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 091D3172055 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 21:59:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: by chris.zbmc.eu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1B4E43800D7; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 20:59:58 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 20:59:57 +0100 From: Chris Green To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Margins for A4 sheet Message-ID: <20140610195957.GC4812@chris> Mail-Followup-To: dia-list@gnome.org References: <5396D003.2070609@ceata.org> <5396DF79.8000004@ceata.org> <1827416489.20140610145606@yandex.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1827416489.20140610145606@yandex.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 20:00:25 -0000 On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 02:56:06PM +0400, Andrey Repin wrote: > Greetings, Dumitru Ursu! > > > Also, as a note for developers: can't the infinite canvas be made > > optional? Having one A4 sheet by default is the way people are acustomed > > to work. > > I don't know such people myself. Everyone I know used to work on an infinite > canvas, and print only the parts they need, at the scale they want. > Well I for one have (more than once) said that I'd like it to be much easier than it is at present to print diagrams on A4. Surely the usual way most people thank about a 'picture of something' is one that can be presented fairly sensibly on a sheet of paper. Creating a huge diagram and printing bits of it seems an rather odd way of going about things. Also, the 'big diagram printed in separate bits' doesn't produce something that's easy to bind into a document. What one wants is *separate* diagrams with annotated interconnections, lines simply going off the edge to somewhere on another page are not really very helpful. -- Chris Green From chris@zbmc.eu Tue Jun 10 20:03:01 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dia-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A10D765C5 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 20:03:01 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 96DhLOhTrBBO for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 20:02:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (relay6-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.198]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6D4E76078 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 20:02:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mfilter12-d.gandi.net (mfilter12-d.gandi.net [217.70.178.129]) by relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD50DFB89E for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 22:02:35 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mfilter12-d.gandi.net Received: from relay6-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.198]) by mfilter12-d.gandi.net (mfilter12-d.gandi.net [10.0.15.180]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i6H-YNyxF0Ph for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 22:02:34 +0200 (CEST) X-Originating-IP: 84.92.49.234 Received: from chris.zbmc.eu (chrisisbd01.plus.com [84.92.49.234]) (Authenticated sender: smtp@zbmc.eu) by relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EFB0BFB8AC for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 22:02:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: by chris.zbmc.eu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6B3593800D7; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 21:02:33 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 21:02:33 +0100 From: Chris Green To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Margins for A4 sheet Message-ID: <20140610200232.GD4812@chris> Mail-Followup-To: dia-list@gnome.org References: <5396D003.2070609@ceata.org> <5396DF79.8000004@ceata.org> <1827416489.20140610145606@yandex.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 20:03:01 -0000 On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 09:23:59AM -0400, Michael Ross wrote: > Right you can show the margin boundaries - if they are set to contrast > with the background. > You can change the Scale of the page at the Page Setup A menu to be > practically infinite if you like that. A The world can fit inside an A4 > sheet if you like, or you can adjust it as needs be. > I think that Dia is infinitely adjust able once you understand the tools > and the work flow. > Yes, but the trouble is that if you, for example, draw a circuit diagram and then scale it to print on an A4 page the circuit symbols very often turn out to be far too small (or, less often, too big). Unless the 'drawing area' defaults to something that's a sane size (e.g. an A4 sheet) scaling things after drawing doesn't do a good job. -- Chris Green From dima@ceata.org Tue Jun 10 20:06:17 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dia-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3455765C5 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 20:06:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.352 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.352 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4Y1DKzQ1b0D4 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 20:06:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.ceata.org (mail.ceata.org [94.177.12.141]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EF6076078 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 20:05:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ceata.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAC01227B5A for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 23:07:14 +0300 (EEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ceata.org; s=default; t=1402430834; bh=ETG34vuRrfbBcM8X/UlHgUwQyG1lGvItY71UAdSv5vs=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=U2CzhfZrd9mo2a3bprOugyZadrUl6XJEhbDmwVE59BoVyjiAl5l2cIbspA7ZxeLj8 nPvDYm58ZnaurXSdEXMCPhXkR3nY67xsDpwVUiH9NPCP7Dc7cf/RmKe5PzksPSaXH7 +oWlqPKYnbPxNvrrc7Z+hSbI5r/iKrrNf1YT/yjg= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.ceata.org Received: from mail.ceata.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.ceata.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mYMd-DwJPp7a for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 23:07:05 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [192.168.166.101] (unknown [89.149.107.57]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.ceata.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 18896227A4E for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 23:07:05 +0300 (EEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ceata.org; s=default; t=1402430825; bh=ETG34vuRrfbBcM8X/UlHgUwQyG1lGvItY71UAdSv5vs=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=ALBjjLbphNU4DPOeOILvfhX6eYTej14GqJa9/jiVe1hkRjtDfMPTfRklSjvm62QxS 8GMAb67kk7kENhoMxn4wp7bejuiH5paCKcleSAS/MQz+SS3EF8ShxSvnBHOxAAzj0x CQgN6VyDdOLkqkM+1CYNw+sXIAemSLtgjcLxv5H0= Message-ID: <53976517.5030505@ceata.org> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 23:05:43 +0300 From: Dumitru Ursu User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: discussions about usage and development of dia Subject: Re: Margins for A4 sheet References: <5396D003.2070609@ceata.org> <5396DF79.8000004@ceata.org> <1827416489.20140610145606@yandex.ru> <20140610195957.GC4812@chris> In-Reply-To: <20140610195957.GC4812@chris> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 20:06:17 -0000 On 06/10/2014 10:59 PM, Chris Green wrote: > Well I for one have (more than once) said that I'd like it to be much > easier than it is at present to print diagrams on A4. > > Surely the usual way most people thank about a 'picture of something' > is one that can be presented fairly sensibly on a sheet of paper. > Creating a huge diagram and printing bits of it seems an rather odd > way of going about things. > > Also, the 'big diagram printed in separate bits' doesn't produce > something that's easy to bind into a document. What one wants is > *separate* diagrams with annotated interconnections, lines simply > going off the edge to somewhere on another page are not really very > helpful. Yup, it's a user experience problem. I think fexibility is what developers had in mind, and I agree that a good program should allow for flexible workflows, and advanced features: but the defaults should be sensible, oriented towards common use-cases (one could argue what a common use case is, but that's not that hard to find out, with a poll or something) Dima. From chris@zbmc.eu Tue Jun 10 20:12:47 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dia-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF8A8768C6 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 20:12:47 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2s1vpkjFMzbU for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 20:12:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (relay4-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.196]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0162765C5 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 20:12:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mfilter5-d.gandi.net (mfilter5-d.gandi.net [217.70.178.132]) by relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95E0A172097 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 22:12:23 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mfilter5-d.gandi.net Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.196]) by mfilter5-d.gandi.net (mfilter5-d.gandi.net [10.0.15.180]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xmEnOOD8KgCD for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 22:12:21 +0200 (CEST) X-Originating-IP: 84.92.49.234 Received: from chris.zbmc.eu (chrisisbd01.plus.com [84.92.49.234]) (Authenticated sender: smtp@zbmc.eu) by relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CB48C172067 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 22:12:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: by chris.zbmc.eu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4F3E738008A; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 21:12:21 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 21:12:21 +0100 From: Chris Green To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Margins for A4 sheet Message-ID: <20140610201221.GE4812@chris> Mail-Followup-To: dia-list@gnome.org References: <5396D003.2070609@ceata.org> <5396DF79.8000004@ceata.org> <1827416489.20140610145606@yandex.ru> <20140610195957.GC4812@chris> <53976517.5030505@ceata.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <53976517.5030505@ceata.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 20:12:47 -0000 On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 11:05:43PM +0300, Dumitru Ursu wrote: > On 06/10/2014 10:59 PM, Chris Green wrote: > >Well I for one have (more than once) said that I'd like it to be much > >easier than it is at present to print diagrams on A4. > > > >Surely the usual way most people thank about a 'picture of something' > >is one that can be presented fairly sensibly on a sheet of paper. > >Creating a huge diagram and printing bits of it seems an rather odd > >way of going about things. > > > >Also, the 'big diagram printed in separate bits' doesn't produce > >something that's easy to bind into a document. What one wants is > >*separate* diagrams with annotated interconnections, lines simply > >going off the edge to somewhere on another page are not really very > >helpful. > > Yup, it's a user experience problem. I think fexibility is what > developers had in mind, and I agree that a good > program should allow for flexible workflows, and advanced features: > but the defaults should be sensible, oriented towards > common use-cases (one could argue what a common use case is, but > that's not that hard to find out, with a poll or something) > I thinks that's right. The inexperienced user (me, for example) tends to dive in with a diagram that they want to draw before thinking about details of how it will scale when they want to print it or put it into a web page or whatever. They complete a lovely diagram that looks good on the computer screen and then find it's rather difficult to turn it into what they actually want on paper (or web). -- Chris Green From ricoh51@free.fr Tue Jun 10 20:15:32 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dia-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE894765C5 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 20:15:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.648 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.648 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=no Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G-MxFXMCeAdV for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 20:15:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp3-g21.free.fr (smtp3-g21.free.fr [212.27.42.3]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8688B76078 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 20:15:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [82.226.145.72]) by smtp3-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DA09A61E3 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 22:15:26 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5397675E.9090503@free.fr> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 22:15:26 +0200 From: Marchand Eric User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Need guidance about basic shapes References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000306080709090709020204" X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 140610-1, 10/06/2014), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 20:15:33 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000306080709090709020204 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, here is an example : ------------------------------------------------------------- mesure_commande mesure_commande.png

--------------------------------------------------------- Regards eric Le 09/06/2014 15:09, Bhanu Singh a �crit : > Hi, > > I am using basic (standard) shape *arc* in my diagram. > > How can i embedded textbox within in Arc shape. Arc is basic shape in > Dia so i will have to modify basic shapes in Dia to insert a textbox. > > Dia provides a option to add Text object to an ARC but this does not > embedded > Text with the Arc shape. It makes it difficult to extract text from a > corresponding arc from a SVG file. > > Please let me know how basic shapes can be modified in Dia > > > -- > Bhanu Singh > > > > _______________________________________________ > dia-list mailing list > dia-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list > FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq > Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia > --------------000306080709090709020204 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Hi,
here is an example :
-------------------------------------------------------------
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<shape xmlns="http://www.daa.com.au/~james/dia-shape-ns" xmlns:svg="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg">
<name>mesure_commande</name>
<icon>mesure_commande.png</icon>
<connections>
    <point x="0" y="1"/>
        <point x="1" y="0"/>
        <point x="1" y="2"/>
        <point x="2" y="1"/>
</connections>
<aspectratio type="fixed"/>
    <default-width>2</default-width>
    <textbox resize="no" x1="0" y1="0" x2="2" y2="2"/>
<svg:svg>
        <svg:circle cx="1" cy="1" r="1"/>
</svg:svg>
</shape>
---------------------------------------------------------

Regards

eric

Le 09/06/2014 15:09, Bhanu Singh a écrit :

Hi,

I am using basic (standard) shape arc in my diagram.

How can i embedded textbox within in Arc shape. Arc is basic shape in Dia so i will have to modify basic shapes in Dia to insert a textbox.

Dia provides a option to add Text object to an ARC but this does not embedded

Text with the Arc shape. It makes it difficult to extract text from a corresponding arc from a SVG file.

Please let me know how basic shapes can be modified in Dia

--
Bhanu Singh
_______________________________________________
dia-list mailing list
dia-list@gnome.org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list
FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq
Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia

--------------000306080709090709020204-- From anrdaemon@freemail.ru Tue Jun 10 22:05:35 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dia-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD595765C5 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 22:05:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Score: 2.266 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=2.266 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_ADSP_ALL=0.8, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=no Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ueAbcYleh4zx for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 22:05:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpback.ht-systems.ru (smtpback.ht-systems.ru [78.110.50.181]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53ADF765AD for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 22:05:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [91.76.98.252] (helo=darkdragon.lan) by smtp.ht-systems.ru with esmtpa (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WuUAH-0004Oq-3O for dia-list@gnome.org; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 02:05:09 +0400 X-AntiVirus: Checked by Dr.Web [version: 8.0.7.07121, engine: 8.3.0.10280, virus records: 5307168, updated: 10.06.2014] Received: from [192.168.1.10] (HELO daemon2) by daemon2 (Office Mail Server 0.8.12 build 08053101) with SMTP; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 21:53:02 -0000 X-AntiVirus: Checked by Dr.Web [version: 8.0.7.07121, engine: 8.3.0.10280, virus records: 5307168, updated: 10.06.2014] Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 01:53:02 +0400 From: Andrey Repin X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <819855453.20140611015302@yandex.ru> To: Chris Green Subject: Re: Margins for A4 sheet In-Reply-To: <20140610201221.GE4812@chris> References: <5396D003.2070609@ceata.org> <5396DF79.8000004@ceata.org> <1827416489.20140610145606@yandex.ru> <20140610195957.GC4812@chris> <53976517.5030505@ceata.org> <20140610201221.GE4812@chris> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: anrdaemon@freemail.ru, discussions about usage and development of dia List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 22:05:35 -0000 Greetings, Chris Green! > I thinks that's right. The inexperienced user (me, for example) tends > to dive in with a diagram that they want to draw before thinking about > details of how it will scale when they want to print it or put it into > a web page or whatever. > They complete a lovely diagram that looks good on the computer screen > and then find it's rather difficult to turn it into what they actually > want on paper (or web). That's completely different subject. The base format for Dia is SVG, which, by the very nature of it, is seamlessly scalable with bounds being only the resolution of the presentation medium. -- WBR, Andrey Repin (anrdaemon@freemail.ru) 11.06.2014, <01:38> Sorry for my terrible english... From michael.e.ross@gmail.com Tue Jun 10 22:39:52 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dia-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1EE9768C6 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 22:39:52 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aum8i15AA2uF for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 22:39:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yk0-f172.google.com (mail-yk0-f172.google.com [209.85.160.172]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 402A7765C5 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 22:39:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yk0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 79so4187417ykr.3 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 15:39:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=UmQsdqN+/cC9KIF84+C/Sb82Czgs/9lcCtPKyHKnJnc=; b=ZUybrSUxQ6BZCew1kxbS7fbZiwedOPHXNTUTNzH7kAV5d2kXJj3tW04rocEGFmzB4Q JgoFv1RVZCzG4VJQGRRmdahWu2elz6AqPsRy6Y5KKOTiYGgnx8g6tTEog8KOM/zirdEk G2/IMJ8mqIWkoTcCo58cRDfjNXMvJMSd1g9civNs/+blFt/ingfVv1837gti6bg6Tpv9 aLlaMV7HaDYN/9Be4qhRvZRiPuV4M+GVbeK/4hKqxdZQnPMD4vjaChsanhGGMkuJdywP b8vXiieozhNSNweE2iVTECYIslLKBFxzTZfa8ZvAEHjo/5K/QLUNDC130SDxxcpARWQm ozQA== X-Received: by 10.236.122.180 with SMTP id t40mr119660yhh.153.1402439969035; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 15:39:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.170.196.138 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 15:38:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5397675E.9090503@free.fr> References: <5397675E.9090503@free.fr> From: Michael Ross Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 18:38:58 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Need guidance about basic shapes To: discussions about usage and development of dia Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3010e5332c5db504fb83007e X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 22:39:52 -0000 --20cf3010e5332c5db504fb83007e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am not into shape creation, but isn't that what you are doing here - adding text to a shape? Bhanu wants to add text to a tool such as an arc or line. Can that be done with the method you have shown? On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Marchand Eric wrote: > Hi, > here is an example : > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > xmlns:svg=3D > "http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" > > mesure_commande > mesure_commande.png > > > > > > > > 2 > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > Regards > > eric > > > Le 09/06/2014 15:09, Bhanu Singh a =C3=A9crit : > > Hi, > > I am using basic (standard) shape *arc* in my diagram. > > How can i embedded textbox within in Arc shape. Arc is basic shape in > Dia so i will have to modify basic shapes in Dia to insert a textbox. > > Dia provides a option to add Text object to an ARC but this does not > embedded > Text with the Arc shape. It makes it difficult to extract text from a > corresponding arc from a SVG file. > > Please let me know how basic shapes can be modified in Dia > > > -- > Bhanu Singh > > > > _______________________________________________ > dia-list mailing listdia-list@gnome.orghttps://mail.gnome.org/mailman/lis= tinfo/dia-list > FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq > Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia > > > > _______________________________________________ > dia-list mailing list > dia-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list > FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq > Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia > > > --=20 Put this question to yourself: should I use everyone else to attain happiness, or should I help others gain happiness? *Dalai Lama * Tell me what it is you plan to do With your one wild and precious life? Mary Oliver, "The summer day." To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet* Michael E. Ross (919) 550-2430 Land (919) 576-0824 Google Pho= ne (919) 631-1451 Cell (919) 513-0418 Desk michael.e.ross@gmail.com --20cf3010e5332c5db504fb83007e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I am not into shape creation, but isn't that what you = are doing here - adding text to a shape?

Bhanu wants to = add text to a tool such as an arc or line. =C2=A0Can that be done with the = method you have shown?

On Tue,= Jun 10, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Marchand Eric <ricoh51@free.fr> wrot= e:

=20 =20 =20
Hi,
here is an example :
-------------------------------------------------------------
<?xml version=3D"1.0" encoding=3D"UTF-8"?><= br> <shape xmlns=3D"http://www.daa.com.au/~james/dia-shape-ns"<= /a> xmlns:svg=3D = "http://www.w3.org/2000/svg">
=C2=A0 <name>mesure_commande</name>
=C2=A0 <icon>mesure_commande.png</icon>
=C2=A0 <connections>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <point x=3D"0" y=3D"1"/>= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <point x=3D"1" y= =3D"0"/>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <point x=3D"1" y= =3D"2"/>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <point x=3D"2" y= =3D"1"/>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0
=C2=A0 </connections>
=C2=A0 <aspectratio type=3D"fixed"/>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <default-width>2</default-width>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <textbox resize=3D"no" x1=3D"0&q= uot; y1=3D"0" x2=3D"2" y2=3D"2"/>
=C2=A0 <svg:svg>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <svg:circle cx=3D"1&quo= t; cy=3D"1" r=3D"1"/>
=C2=A0 </svg:svg>
</shape>
---------------------------------------------------------

Regards

eric

Le 09/06/2014 15:09, Bhanu Singh a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
Hi,

I am using basic (standard) shape arc in my diagram.

How can i embedded textbox within in Arc shape. Arc is basic shape in Dia so i will have to modify basic shapes in Dia to insert a textbox.=C2=A0

Dia provides a option to add Text object to an ARC but this does not embedded=C2=A0

Text with the Arc shape. It makes it difficult to extract text from a corresponding arc from a SVG file.

Please let me know how basic shapes can be modified in Dia

--
Bhanu Singh
____________________________________=
___________
dia-list mailing list
dia-list@gnome.org<=
/a>
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list
FAQ at http://l=
ive.gnome.org/Dia/Faq
Main page at http:/=
/live.gnome.org/Dia
_______________________________________________
dia-list mailing list
dia-list@gnome.org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list
FAQ at http://l= ive.gnome.org/Dia/Faq
Main page at http:/= /live.gnome.org/Dia

Put this question to yourself: should I use every= one else to attain happiness, or should I help others gain happiness? =C2= =A0

Dalai Lama=C2=A0

Tell me what it is you plan to do=

With your one wild and precious life?

Mary Oliver, "= The summer day."

To invent, you need a good imagin= ation and a pile of junk.

T= homas A. Edison

A public-opinion poll is no s= ubstitute for thought.

Warren Buffet

M= ichael E. Ross

(919) 550-2430 Land

(919) 576= -0824=C2=A0Google Phone

(919) 631-1451<= /span> Cell
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--20cf3010e5332c5db504fb83007e-- From michael.e.ross@gmail.com Tue Jun 10 22:54:51 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dia-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62522765AD for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 22:54:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XBHjnum69yd0 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 22:54:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yh0-f44.google.com (mail-yh0-f44.google.com [209.85.213.44]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E723076078 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 22:54:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yh0-f44.google.com with SMTP id f10so3027241yha.31 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 15:54:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=07zZBOb7LHMIc4YDxjgGGfeiMDIgm1l7iOC/T9yElXQ=; b=ZtR94brycPkfYmyQt50HZNl//ZTDnvz5g5kM5BKOzs1bIvRiH1LcFOS3QsT3/Ukg4d JcKD2zdCOcHIotGRKyvmDifEdTWHWDnFYyD30ANBOig3tgiN/3Lpsr/IsD3oFSkoc3G7 GssG/LQvDYlw91ABy/Zs9NVZ5ocYG9uRCCnUQWURd+JRZ6KZcfzL+spfNMxbuF2afEA1 5tgbEe8r9bQ1DGkJpNz4xw3vlFgeW47D+3dj6uqqY11gwp6oT7rOQCRWW4y1WGTF4cu6 RJjoxoyRv52XR7eVZFL+7W5aBvv5vrf1w/2/8UHDCChnbUibRPtocNsMzD1RuQh8YVTk jf7g== X-Received: by 10.236.44.41 with SMTP id m29mr234061yhb.57.1402440867847; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 15:54:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.170.196.138 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 15:53:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20140610200232.GD4812@chris> References: <5396D003.2070609@ceata.org> <5396DF79.8000004@ceata.org> <1827416489.20140610145606@yandex.ru> <20140610200232.GD4812@chris> From: Michael Ross Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 18:53:57 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Margins for A4 sheet To: discussions about usage and development of dia Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01634aa8bf23dc04fb833527 X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 22:54:51 -0000 --089e01634aa8bf23dc04fb833527 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Chris, Not every drawing is a circuit diagram. Dia is designed to be general purpose, so some tasks require that you use Dia the way a generalized program requires it. If you want to do circuit diagrams then the a specific software may very well be easier for that task. However, that software will probably not do the many other things that Dia does do easily. You can create segmented drawings very easily. If you make the page boundaries a contrasting color to the background, then you can tell how the drawing will segment. You can then go around the edges of it and make connection notations so you can match edge to edge. There are even preexisting shapes that work well for this. What you describe is going to be a manual operation because that is how it is - Dia is a general program, and no one has seen fit to automate the feature you cherish from some other software. You are welcome to try and do it if you like. Dia wasn't designed to do it automatically, but is was designed to make it possible for you to write code for it any way you like. On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Chris Green wrote: > On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 09:23:59AM -0400, Michael Ross wrote: > > Right you can show the margin boundaries - if they are set to contrast > > with the background. > > You can change the Scale of the page at the Page Setup A menu to be > > practically infinite if you like that. A The world can fit inside an > A4 > > sheet if you like, or you can adjust it as needs be. > > I think that Dia is infinitely adjust able once you understand the > tools > > and the work flow. > > > Yes, but the trouble is that if you, for example, draw a circuit > diagram and then scale it to print on an A4 page the circuit symbols > very often turn out to be far too small (or, less often, too big). > > Unless the 'drawing area' defaults to something that's a sane size > (e.g. an A4 sheet) scaling things after drawing doesn't do a good job. > > > -- > Chris Green > _______________________________________________ > dia-list mailing list > dia-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list > FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq > Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia > > -- Put this question to yourself: should I use everyone else to attain happiness, or should I help others gain happiness? *Dalai Lama * Tell me what it is you plan to do With your one wild and precious life? Mary Oliver, "The summer day." To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet* Michael E. Ross (919) 550-2430 Land (919) 576-0824 Google Phone (919) 631-1451 Cell (919) 513-0418 Desk michael.e.ross@gmail.com --089e01634aa8bf23dc04fb833527 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Chris,=C2=A0

Not every drawing is a cir= cuit diagram. =C2=A0Dia is designed to be general purpose, so some tasks re= quire that you use Dia the way a generalized program requires it.

If you want to =C2=A0do circuit diagrams then the a specific software = may very well be easier for that task. =C2=A0However, that software will pr= obably not do the many other things that Dia does do easily.

You can create segmented drawings very easily. =C2=A0If you make the p= age boundaries a contrasting color to the background, then you can tell how= the drawing will segment. =C2=A0You can then go around the edges of it and= make connection notations so you can match edge to edge. =C2=A0There are e= ven preexisting shapes that work well for this.

What you describe is going to be a manual operation bec= ause that is how it is - Dia is a general program, and no one has seen fit = to automate the feature you cherish from some other software. =C2=A0You are= welcome to try and do it if you like. =C2=A0Dia wasn't designed to do = it automatically, but is was designed to make it possible for you to write = code for it any way you like. =C2=A0

On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Chri= s Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:

On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 09:2= 3:59AM -0400, Michael Ross wrote:
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0Right you can show the margin boundaries - if they are se= t to contrast
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0with the background.

> =C2=A0 =C2=A0You can change the Scale of the page at the Page Se= tup A menu to be
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0practically infinite if you like that. A The world can fi= t inside an A4

> =C2=A0 =C2=A0sheet if you like, or you can adjust it a= s needs be.
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0I think that Dia is infinitely adjust able once you under= stand the tools
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0and the work flow.
>

Yes, but the trouble is that if you, for example, draw a circuit
diagram and then scale it to print on an A4 page the circuit symbols
very often turn out to be far too small (or, less often, too big).

Unless the 'drawing area' defaults to something that's a sane s= ize
(e.g. an A4 sheet) scaling things after drawing doesn't do a good job.<= br>

--
Chris Green

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Main page at http:/= /live.gnome.org/Dia

--
=

Put this question to yourself: should I u= se everyone else to attain happiness, or should I help others gain happines= s? =C2=A0

Dalai Lama=C2=A0

Tell me what it is you plan to do=

With your one wild and precious life?

Mary Oliver, "= The summer day."

To invent, you need a good imagin= ation and a pile of junk.

T= homas A. Edison

A public-opinion poll is no s= ubstitute for thought.

Warren Buffet

M= ichael E. Ross

(919) 550-2430 Land

(919) 576= -0824=C2=A0Google Phone

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--089e01634aa8bf23dc04fb833527-- From ricoh51@free.fr Wed Jun 11 08:50:21 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dia-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97CC376957 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 08:50:21 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.25 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.25 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=no Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fGSWXR7cDmPv for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 08:50:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp2-g21.free.fr (smtp2-g21.free.fr [212.27.42.2]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5C53762EC for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 08:50:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [82.226.145.72]) by smtp2-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0837B4B0012 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 10:50:17 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5398184A.2020701@free.fr> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 10:50:18 +0200 From: Marchand Eric User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Need guidance about basic shapes References: <5397675E.9090503@free.fr> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 140610-1, 10/06/2014), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 08:50:21 -0000 Le 11/06/2014 00:38, Michael Ross a �crit : > I am not into shape creation, but isn't that what you are doing here - > adding text to a shape? > > Bhanu wants to add text to a tool such as an arc or line. Can that be > done with the method you have shown? > hups sorry, i didn't realize what Bhanu wanted. eric From chris@zbmc.eu Wed Jun 11 09:34:55 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dia-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B492376996 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 09:34:55 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TyyHJ61TdS5h for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 09:34:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (relay3-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.195]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA27676317 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 09:34:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mfilter28-d.gandi.net (mfilter28-d.gandi.net [217.70.178.159]) by relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37AA4A80B9 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 11:34:31 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mfilter28-d.gandi.net Received: from relay3-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.195]) by mfilter28-d.gandi.net (mfilter28-d.gandi.net [10.0.15.180]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gSu3IDzdLCqG for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 11:34:29 +0200 (CEST) X-Originating-IP: 84.92.49.234 Received: from chris.zbmc.eu (chrisisbd01.plus.com [84.92.49.234]) (Authenticated sender: smtp@zbmc.eu) by relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2E0A3A80DD for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 11:34:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: by chris.zbmc.eu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7898A380092; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 10:34:28 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 10:34:28 +0100 From: Chris Green To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Margins for A4 sheet Message-ID: <20140611093428.GA3968@chris> Mail-Followup-To: dia-list@gnome.org References: <5396D003.2070609@ceata.org> <5396DF79.8000004@ceata.org> <1827416489.20140610145606@yandex.ru> <20140610200232.GD4812@chris> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 09:34:55 -0000 On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 06:53:57PM -0400, Michael Ross wrote: > Chris,A > Not every drawing is a circuit diagram. A Dia is designed to be general > purpose, so some tasks require that you use Dia the way a generalized > program requires it. Yes, I know not all drawings are circuit diagrams, it's just that came to mind first. The same comments apply though don't they? Any multi-page diagram, if it's going to be split up into pages, really needs to be treated as separate diagrams with some sort of 'off page pointer' to join them up. Even a flow chart with a line simply disappearing off the bottom of the page is not really how it should be. -- Chris Green From chris@zbmc.eu Wed Jun 11 09:40:48 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dia-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77C7676317 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 09:40:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wwKvU3hzf4uU for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 09:40:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (relay6-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.198]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7CE0762EC for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 09:40:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mfilter24-d.gandi.net (mfilter24-d.gandi.net [217.70.178.152]) by relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9957CFB89F for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 11:40:24 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mfilter24-d.gandi.net Received: from relay6-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.198]) by mfilter24-d.gandi.net (mfilter24-d.gandi.net [10.0.15.180]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QRBuB6mW2F9x for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 11:39:52 +0200 (CEST) X-Originating-IP: 84.92.49.234 Received: from chris.zbmc.eu (chrisisbd01.plus.com [84.92.49.234]) (Authenticated sender: smtp@zbmc.eu) by relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A811DFB8C2 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 11:39:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: by chris.zbmc.eu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C59C7380092; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 10:39:51 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 10:39:51 +0100 From: Chris Green To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Margins for A4 sheet Message-ID: <20140611093951.GB3968@chris> Mail-Followup-To: dia-list@gnome.org References: <5396D003.2070609@ceata.org> <5396DF79.8000004@ceata.org> <1827416489.20140610145606@yandex.ru> <20140610195957.GC4812@chris> <53976517.5030505@ceata.org> <20140610201221.GE4812@chris> <819855453.20140611015302@yandex.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <819855453.20140611015302@yandex.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 09:40:48 -0000 On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 01:53:02AM +0400, Andrey Repin wrote: > Greetings, Chris Green! > > > I thinks that's right. The inexperienced user (me, for example) tends > > to dive in with a diagram that they want to draw before thinking about > > details of how it will scale when they want to print it or put it into > > a web page or whatever. > > > They complete a lovely diagram that looks good on the computer screen > > and then find it's rather difficult to turn it into what they actually > > want on paper (or web). > > That's completely different subject. > The base format for Dia is SVG, which, by the very nature of it, is seamlessly > scalable with bounds being only the resolution of the presentation medium. > But it's *not* "seamlessly scalable" because the individual components (of *any* of the types of objects that come with it) don't scale as well as the diagram as a whole. They will scale plus/minus a factor of two or so but beyond that they really don't work too well. Thus you *do* need to start with an appropriate sized 'sheet' if you want to print your diagram or use it as other than a single huge diagram. I really like dia but I think it would be a whole lot more 'likeable' and generally applicable to casual users if it defaulted to something more tangible. -- Chris Green From michael.e.ross@gmail.com Wed Jun 11 12:44:26 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dia-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F9EB76996 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 12:44:26 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lGK739GOIrUr for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 12:44:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yk0-f170.google.com (mail-yk0-f170.google.com [209.85.160.170]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07CE17694A for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 12:44:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yk0-f170.google.com with SMTP id q9so2432195ykb.15 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 05:44:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=o+vKhUuKekfJviA21CLKpbpDLhkAzHdMtdvuFtuP1P8=; b=ic+bloJDrX7sDwHsBK+6V1UGcvx3bh1BxUEtz42jQEZtMZn8sr8blTG412vkq8kxIb ROn9FPH3MdvwPDyp7LtS2+ufW+Bu5AvnogeAdGLB1SYx1lRbNqeMqYK652DMwBiwA6hO k2eoRSTLYfOnQGXMqvVuYtZjDw8sdGU/DMw2wSWnRwWywCNB3rTNR1R9yAh5+UXt5t4y 9Gw7Imh0nP/3vbNsfOqWBgBL/0aTE9JgD4mIE+Tsypsv+SRvYaVXkS7sMPhU6zF7rrTY StKBM3QDkKKcvMDbsKfd027NDBEDgwjxBCIFtom6rQwRnmciLLtPh+hXepCqSobp4n46 u+/A== X-Received: by 10.236.176.197 with SMTP id b45mr5509952yhm.102.1402490641998; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 05:44:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.170.196.138 with HTTP; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 05:43:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20140611093951.GB3968@chris> References: <5396D003.2070609@ceata.org> <5396DF79.8000004@ceata.org> <1827416489.20140610145606@yandex.ru> <20140610195957.GC4812@chris> <53976517.5030505@ceata.org> <20140610201221.GE4812@chris> <819855453.20140611015302@yandex.ru> <20140611093951.GB3968@chris> From: Michael Ross Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 08:43:31 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Margins for A4 sheet To: discussions about usage and development of dia Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf305b1286846a5804fb8ecca9 X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 12:44:26 -0000 --20cf305b1286846a5804fb8ecca9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I have a Dia called Start Dia File that has all the settings I like, grid size, scale some layers, margins, and so on. It is completely unreasonable for me to expect Dia to have exactly what I want as a default, but this simple solution does provide that: When I start up, my Start Dia File is in the list of recently used files, and I pick it, then save as another name and move along. Or in the nearly inevitable case where some of those those defaults don't fit what I am doing at the moment, I change the settings. Don't get me wrong, I have wished for a more conventional way to set defaults on start up. But this is what we get unless we learn to write the code. I seem to recall there was some difficulty providing the change, and it required a lot more work than you might think. More work than those doing it were willing to undertake when a simple workflow change solves the problem. This is a common occurrence - a new user has a bunch of suggestions (that are often repeats of previous ones from years past) that are not informed by experience with the program, how open source work gets done, and an unwillingness to adapt to what is given. I have had the same reaction myself. If someone points out a functional work around - it may be the path of least resistance to use it. We do not understand the inner workings of SVG, the basis of Dia, and over which the Dia developers do not have any more control over than we do over Dia. I have been using Dia for more than ten years now. I have looked around and tried other programs, but I have returned to Dia a number of times, because it is very utilitarian. There is actually a community of users that are promptly helpful (as opposed to a number of other open source programs I use), and the program is very adaptable - by the user, without intervention of the development group. In conjunction with Inkscape and GIMP the possibilities are almost unlimited. However, if you have a very specific bit of work like circuit design there are probably a dozen better, freeware or shareware programs that will be better. There is no reason at all for Dia to try to serve that need. Any number of prototype houses will let you download their program. There are other uses of Dia that are unique, as far as I know, that might not work anymore if Dia was tuned up for circuit design - for instance there are power users of Dia who use it as a code writing tool if I understand the conversations I have seen well. The ability to go into the source and tweak it for your own purposes is greatly valued, along with the ability to make a personal library of shapes. Any suggestions for improving Dia that break these uses of Dia will be rejected. As far as "individual components" components not working as well as others - this is because the components are made by users willing to donate them to the cause - they were developed for that users purposes - not with another other use in mind. They are free. You can try to make them do what you want, but to expect there to be a seamless functionality among them is an unrealistic expectation. The developers do not make shapes as far as I can tell. They work on the function behind the shapes. Beyond the fact that some shapes people make not doing what it is you want, the system is seamlessly scale-able. It works well, if you scale the canvas around the diagrams regardless of the shapes used. I think with more experience you will become accustomed to it. On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 5:39 AM, Chris Green wrote: > On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 01:53:02AM +0400, Andrey Repin wrote: > > Greetings, Chris Green! > > > > > I thinks that's right. The inexperienced user (me, for example) tends > > > to dive in with a diagram that they want to draw before thinking about > > > details of how it will scale when they want to print it or put it into > > > a web page or whatever. > > > > > They complete a lovely diagram that looks good on the computer screen > > > and then find it's rather difficult to turn it into what they actually > > > want on paper (or web). > > > > That's completely different subject. > > The base format for Dia is SVG, which, by the very nature of it, is > seamlessly > > scalable with bounds being only the resolution of the presentation > medium. > > > But it's *not* "seamlessly scalable" because the individual components > (of *any* of the types of objects that come with it) don't scale as > well as the diagram as a whole. They will scale plus/minus a factor > of two or so but beyond that they really don't work too well. Thus > you *do* need to start with an appropriate sized 'sheet' if you want > to print your diagram or use it as other than a single huge diagram. > > I really like dia but I think it would be a whole lot more 'likeable' > and generally applicable to casual users if it defaulted to something > more tangible. > > -- > Chris Green > _______________________________________________ > dia-list mailing list > dia-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list > FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq > Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia > > -- Put this question to yourself: should I use everyone else to attain happiness, or should I help others gain happiness? *Dalai Lama * Tell me what it is you plan to do With your one wild and precious life? Mary Oliver, "The summer day." To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet* Michael E. Ross (919) 550-2430 Land (919) 576-0824 Google Phone (919) 631-1451 Cell (919) 513-0418 Desk michael.e.ross@gmail.com --20cf305b1286846a5804fb8ecca9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have a Dia called Start Dia File that has all the settin= gs I like, grid size, scale some layers, margins, and so on. =C2=A0It is co= mpletely unreasonable for me to expect Dia to have exactly what I want as a= default, but this simple solution does provide that:

When I start up, my Start Dia File is in the list of recently used= files, and I pick it, then save as another name and move along. =C2=A0Or i= n the nearly inevitable case where some of those those defaults don't f= it what I am doing at the moment, I change the settings. =C2=A0

Don't get me wrong, I have wished for a more conventiona= l way to set defaults on start up. =C2=A0But this is what we get unless we = learn to write the code. =C2=A0I seem to recall there was some difficulty p= roviding the change, and it required a lot more work than you might think. = =C2=A0More work than those doing it were willing to undertake when a simple= workflow change solves the problem. =C2=A0

This is a common occurrence - a new user has a bunch of= suggestions (that are often repeats of previous ones from years past) that= are not informed by experience with the program, how open source work gets= done, and an unwillingness to adapt to what is given. =C2=A0I have had the= same reaction myself. =C2=A0If someone points out a functional work around= - it may be the path of least resistance to use it. =C2=A0We do not unders= tand the inner workings of SVG, the basis of Dia, and over which the Dia de= velopers do not have any more control over than we do over Dia. =C2=A0

I have been using Dia for more than ten years now. =C2= =A0I have looked around and tried other programs, but I have returned to Di= a a number of times, because it is very utilitarian. =C2=A0There is actuall= y a community of users that are promptly helpful (as opposed to a number of= other open source programs I use), and the program is very adaptable - by = the user, without intervention of the development group. =C2=A0In conjuncti= on with Inkscape and GIMP the possibilities are almost unlimited. =C2=A0How= ever, if you have a very specific bit of work like circuit design there are= probably a dozen better, freeware or shareware programs that will be bette= r. There is no reason at all for Dia to try to serve that need. =C2=A0Any n= umber of prototype houses will let you download their program.

There are other uses of Dia that are unique, as far as = I know, that might not work anymore if Dia was tuned up for circuit design = - for instance there are power users of Dia who =C2=A0use it as a code writ= ing tool if I understand the conversations I have seen well. The ability to= go into the source and tweak it for your own purposes is greatly valued, a= long with the ability to make a personal library of shapes. =C2=A0 Any sugg= estions for improving Dia that break these uses of Dia will be rejected.

As far as "indivi= dual components" components not working as well as others - this is be= cause the components=C2=A0are made by users willing to donate them to the c= ause -=C2=A0they were developed for that users purposes - not with another = other use in mind. =C2=A0They are free. =C2=A0You can try to make them do w= hat you want, but to expect there to be a seamless functionality among them= is an unrealistic expectation. =C2=A0The developers do not make shapes as = far as I can tell. =C2=A0They work on the function behind the shapes.

Beyond the fact that some shapes people make not doing wh= at it is you want, the system is seamlessly scale-able. It works well, if y= ou scale the canvas around the diagrams regardless of the shapes used. =C2= =A0I think with more experience you will become accustomed to it.

On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 5:39= AM, Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:

On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 01:53:02AM +040= 0, Andrey Repin wrote:
> Greetings, Chris Green!
>
> > I thinks that's right. =C2=A0The inexperienced user (me, for = example) tends
> > to dive in with a diagram that they want to draw before thinking = about
> > details of how it will scale when they want to print it or put it= into
> > a web page or whatever.
>
> > They complete a lovely diagram that looks good on the computer sc= reen
> > and then find it's rather difficult to turn it into what they= actually
> > want on paper (or web).
>
> That's completely different subject.
> The base format for Dia is SVG, which, by the very nature of it, is se= amlessly
> scalable with bounds being only the resolution of the presentation med= ium.
>

But it's *not* "seamlessly scalable" because the indivi= dual components
(of *any* of the types of objects that come with it) don't scale as
well as the diagram as a whole. =C2=A0They will scale plus/minus a factor of two or so but beyond that they really don't work too well. =C2=A0Thu= s
you *do* need to start with an appropriate sized 'sheet' if you wan= t
to print your diagram or use it as other than a single huge diagram.

I really like dia but I think it would be a whole lot more 'likeable= 9;
and generally applicable to casual users if it defaulted to something
more tangible.

--
Chris Green

_______________________________________________
dia-list mailing list
dia-list@gnome.org<= /a>
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list
FAQ at http://l= ive.gnome.org/Dia/Faq
Main page at http:/= /live.gnome.org/Dia

--
=

Put this question to yourself: should I u= se everyone else to attain happiness, or should I help others gain happines= s? =C2=A0

Dalai Lama=C2=A0

Tell me what it is you plan to do=

With your one wild and precious life?

Mary Oliver, "= The summer day."

To invent, you need a good imagin= ation and a pile of junk.

T= homas A. Edison

A public-opinion poll is no s= ubstitute for thought.

Warren Buffet

M= ichael E. Ross

(919) 550-2430 Land

(919) 576= -0824=C2=A0Google Phone

(919) 631-1451<= /span> Cell
(919) 513-0418 Desk

michael.e.ross@gmail.com

<= /div>

--20cf305b1286846a5804fb8ecca9-- From anrdaemon@freemail.ru Wed Jun 11 14:05:34 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dia-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BD7E769D4 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 14:05:34 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Score: 2.266 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=2.266 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_ADSP_ALL=0.8, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=no Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fVTGNX8i8V6d for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 14:05:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpback.ht-systems.ru (smtpback.ht-systems.ru [78.110.50.181]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 777B47694A for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 14:05:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [91.76.98.252] (helo=darkdragon.lan) by smtp.ht-systems.ru with esmtpa (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Wuj9I-0001oK-Uz for dia-list@gnome.org; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 18:05:09 +0400 X-AntiVirus: Checked by Dr.Web [version: 8.0.7.07121, engine: 8.3.0.10280, virus records: 5307168, updated: 10.06.2014] Received: from [192.168.1.10] (HELO daemon2) by daemon2 (Office Mail Server 0.8.12 build 08053101) with SMTP; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 13:56:45 -0000 X-AntiVirus: Checked by Dr.Web [version: 8.0.7.07121, engine: 8.3.0.10280, virus records: 5307168, updated: 10.06.2014] Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 17:56:45 +0400 From: Andrey Repin X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <241493466.20140611175645@yandex.ru> To: Chris Green Subject: Re: Margins for A4 sheet In-Reply-To: <20140611093951.GB3968@chris> References: <5396D003.2070609@ceata.org> <5396DF79.8000004@ceata.org> <1827416489.20140610145606@yandex.ru> <20140610195957.GC4812@chris> <53976517.5030505@ceata.org> <20140610201221.GE4812@chris> <819855453.20140611015302@yandex.ru> <20140611093951.GB3968@chris> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: anrdaemon@freemail.ru, discussions about usage and development of dia List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 14:05:34 -0000 Greetings, Chris Green! >> > I thinks that's right. The inexperienced user (me, for example) tends >> > to dive in with a diagram that they want to draw before thinking about >> > details of how it will scale when they want to print it or put it into >> > a web page or whatever. >> >> > They complete a lovely diagram that looks good on the computer screen >> > and then find it's rather difficult to turn it into what they actually >> > want on paper (or web). >> >> That's completely different subject. >> The base format for Dia is SVG, which, by the very nature of it, is seamlessly >> scalable with bounds being only the resolution of the presentation medium. >> > But it's *not* "seamlessly scalable" because the individual components > (of *any* of the types of objects that come with it) don't scale as > well as the diagram as a whole. Not to argue, but to clean up any possible misunderstanding: The fact some shapes are scaling better, than other only tell us about quality of certain shapes, not about quality of the program or application design concept as a whole. > They will scale plus/minus a factor > of two or so but beyond that they really don't work too well. Thus > you *do* need to start with an appropriate sized 'sheet' if you want > to print your diagram or use it as other than a single huge diagram. If you do want to print it, you SHOULD start designing your diagram from setting up a page properties and enabling paging grid visibility. > I really like dia but I think it would be a whole lot more 'likeable' > and generally applicable to casual users if it defaulted to something > more tangible. As a casual user, I don't need any printing abilities of Dia. I draw wormhole maps and simple illustrations intended to be shown as web images. -- WBR, Andrey Repin (anrdaemon@freemail.ru) 11.06.2014, <17:51> Sorry for my terrible english... From anrdaemon@freemail.ru Wed Jun 11 14:35:34 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dia-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB71576975 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 14:35:34 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Score: 2.266 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=2.266 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_ADSP_ALL=0.8, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=no Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pMn7NgesyxgZ for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 14:35:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpback.ht-systems.ru (smtpback.ht-systems.ru [78.110.50.181]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AA757694A for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 14:35:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [91.76.98.252] (helo=darkdragon.lan) by smtp.ht-systems.ru with esmtpa (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WujcL-0003MT-Qx for dia-list@gnome.org; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 18:35:10 +0400 X-AntiVirus: Checked by Dr.Web [version: 8.0.7.07121, engine: 8.3.0.10280, virus records: 5307168, updated: 10.06.2014] Received: from [192.168.1.10] (HELO daemon2) by daemon2 (Office Mail Server 0.8.12 build 08053101) with SMTP; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 14:05:43 -0000 X-AntiVirus: Checked by Dr.Web [version: 8.0.7.07121, engine: 8.3.0.10280, virus records: 5307168, updated: 10.06.2014] Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 18:05:43 +0400 From: Andrey Repin X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <45895878.20140611180543@yandex.ru> To: Michael Ross Subject: Re: Need guidance about basic shapes In-Reply-To: References: <5397675E.9090503@free.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: anrdaemon@freemail.ru, discussions about usage and development of dia List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 14:35:34 -0000 Greetings, Michael Ross! > Bhanu wants to add text to a tool such as an arc or line. Can that be done > with the method you have shown? You can attach text label to a straight connection (to it's center), and it'll move along with connection line changes. But that's the only connection tool that allow it, as far as I can see. -- WBR, Andrey Repin (anrdaemon@freemail.ru) 11.06.2014, <18:04> Sorry for my terrible english... 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I have had the > same reaction myself. If someone points out a functional work around > - it may be the path of least resistance to use it. We do not > understand the inner workings of SVG, the basis of Dia, and over which > the Dia developers do not have any more control over than we do over Dia. > I don't mean to be rude, but if users point out year after year at some odd feature, then maybe is time to review that bit of UX? It's not a technical deficiency of SVG format, it's just a odd convention Dia developers choosed: I can see why they did it so, virtual paper allows for a infinite canvans, but most people are used to think in our phisical, finite world. Dima. From chris@zbmc.eu Wed Jun 11 14:49:32 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dia-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27D2C76975 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 14:49:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id voiZ2qOjxBZg for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 14:49:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (relay6-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.198]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9B9376317 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 14:49:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mfilter33-d.gandi.net (mfilter33-d.gandi.net [217.70.178.164]) by relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58D94FB8D2 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 16:49:08 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mfilter33-d.gandi.net Received: from relay6-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.198]) by mfilter33-d.gandi.net (mfilter33-d.gandi.net [10.0.15.180]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yA7gW5kXeMF2 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 16:49:07 +0200 (CEST) X-Originating-IP: 84.92.49.234 Received: from chris.zbmc.eu (chrisisbd01.plus.com [84.92.49.234]) (Authenticated sender: smtp@zbmc.eu) by relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id ECB02FB8C7 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 16:49:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: by chris.zbmc.eu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3E10B380092; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 15:49:06 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 15:49:06 +0100 From: Chris Green To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Margins for A4 sheet Message-ID: <20140611144905.GA29241@chris> Mail-Followup-To: dia-list@gnome.org References: <5396D003.2070609@ceata.org> <5396DF79.8000004@ceata.org> <1827416489.20140610145606@yandex.ru> <20140610195957.GC4812@chris> <53976517.5030505@ceata.org> <20140610201221.GE4812@chris> <819855453.20140611015302@yandex.ru> <20140611093951.GB3968@chris> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 14:49:32 -0000 On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 08:43:31AM -0400, Michael Ross wrote: > I have a Dia called Start Dia File that has all the settings I like, grid > size, scale some layers, margins, and so on. A It is completely > unreasonable for me to expect Dia to have exactly what I want as a > default, but this simple solution does provide that: Fine, but how does a beginner produce their own 'Start Dia File'? -- Chris Green From anrdaemon@freemail.ru Wed Jun 11 15:20:34 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dia-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9E0E769DC for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 15:20:34 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Score: 2.266 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=2.266 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_ADSP_ALL=0.8, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=no Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EPGnvWrfHc1x for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 15:20:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpback.ht-systems.ru (smtpback.ht-systems.ru [78.110.50.181]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70ED476317 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 15:20:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [91.76.98.252] (helo=darkdragon.lan) by smtp.ht-systems.ru with esmtpa (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WukJt-0004rr-6J for dia-list@gnome.org; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 19:20:09 +0400 X-AntiVirus: Checked by Dr.Web [version: 8.0.7.07121, engine: 8.3.0.10280, virus records: 5309283, updated: 11.06.2014] Received: from [192.168.1.10] (HELO daemon2) by daemon2 (Office Mail Server 0.8.12 build 08053101) with SMTP; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 15:11:10 -0000 X-AntiVirus: Checked by Dr.Web [version: 8.0.7.07121, engine: 8.3.0.10280, virus records: 5309283, updated: 11.06.2014] Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 19:11:10 +0400 From: Andrey Repin X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <342272882.20140611191110@yandex.ru> To: Dumitru Ursu Subject: Re: Margins for A4 sheet In-Reply-To: <53986BAB.2090406@ceata.org> References: <5396D003.2070609@ceata.org> <5396DF79.8000004@ceata.org> <1827416489.20140610145606@yandex.ru> <20140610195957.GC4812@chris> <53976517.5030505@ceata.org> <20140610201221.GE4812@chris> <819855453.20140611015302@yandex.ru> <20140611093951.GB3968@chris> <53986BAB.2090406@ceata.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: anrdaemon@freemail.ru, discussions about usage and development of dia List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 15:20:34 -0000 Greetings, Dumitru Ursu! > I don't mean to be rude, but if users point out year after year at some > odd feature, then maybe is time to review that bit of UX? No, it's time to carefully appraise the issue and make an informed decision. > It's not a technical deficiency of SVG format, it's just a odd > convention Dia developers choosed: I can see why they did it so, virtual > paper allows for a infinite canvans, but most people are used to think > in our phisical, finite world. Again, you use the word "most" in which you only include yourself and your immediate surroundings. -- WBR, Andrey Repin (anrdaemon@freemail.ru) 11.06.2014, <19:09> Sorry for my terrible english... From michael.e.ross@gmail.com Wed Jun 11 15:50:07 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dia-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FB8376975 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 15:50:07 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.699 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FREEMAIL_REPLY=1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R6g-hBPDYx9t for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 15:50:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yk0-f169.google.com (mail-yk0-f169.google.com [209.85.160.169]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A10B276317 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 15:49:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yk0-f169.google.com with SMTP id q200so1516325ykb.0 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 08:49:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=eWjiqlnjLE7rvRsLG8IGyaOgzFU8s02BVim04UhKt48=; b=C5x5A8MTL5LmFPhb5xodrh1Nj3eNQxGFuCucnDgo/digV6b1MmLqS2FvvsxtzRwqTp 2KXEo30yGw0EGf1YtusHVMFbQnxHHJlWYjJCFRF64j0K6qgAZIzlF8/FhRFpqS2HJMyQ sOdH8EQp+9yMO6XwFDuQKspn23OZRtg0qjwQM+Xp3RMeYWew2AfZaaYFU2WT8BqfwpNy l3jej3oCF5VyDTIUjgd2EFAv2XIgX9ojlEhkHHpD8fO4DoDdshx1YqUvSbrJ8cywl7UI z72sI9rLO/osPc+rui2AXtsyw1gz3tvkmd2nD7QkNGZxNeNXQYPx+uRNKgABGQD27rYb wMRw== X-Received: by 10.236.176.197 with SMTP id b45mr6977172yhm.102.1402501783316; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 08:49:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.170.196.138 with HTTP; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 08:49:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <342272882.20140611191110@yandex.ru> References: <5396D003.2070609@ceata.org> <5396DF79.8000004@ceata.org> <1827416489.20140610145606@yandex.ru> <20140610195957.GC4812@chris> <53976517.5030505@ceata.org> <20140610201221.GE4812@chris> <819855453.20140611015302@yandex.ru> <20140611093951.GB3968@chris> <53986BAB.2090406@ceata.org> <342272882.20140611191110@yandex.ru> From: Michael Ross Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 11:49:13 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Margins for A4 sheet To: discussions about usage and development of dia Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf305b1286977fbc04fb9164ba X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 15:50:07 -0000 --20cf305b1286977fbc04fb9164ba Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I like the way Dia works, and find it very flexible. I think learning the software is the best choice. I do not develop this code, however, I have seen the developers engage with people and incorporate new ideas and features, often. This is what I observe. (Leaving bugs out of this conversation - they DO get fixed.) The first step is to make a polite and cogent use case explaining why the current function is not sufficient, and how the new function better serves users - without breaking anything that long time users think are exactly right. Spell it out and give examples. Convenience may not be taken as a compelling reason; gradient fill and transparency might get more attention, for example. This requires some back and forth with the developers, and it requires more than casual thought/complaint/type. It requires and understanding of what Dia does, what its current uses look like, what is already planned for the future, and it has to be interesting to the developers. This is open source, and that means the people who work on it probably actually like its function as it is - or they would "fix" it. I have learned that they are quite intelligent. And treating them as such by tone of communication is merely honoring their free, hard work, and giving them the respect they deserve. Do not waste their time with unclear description, and do not expect that they will agree with you, it can go either way. You are welcomed, if you want to try to code the features yourself. But, you need to work within the system to do that. Again, you will get more worker bees with honey, than with vinegar. Be mindful what you say and how, if you want to make progress. Sometimes being persistent is very helpful, but be decent in your communication, even if you feel frustrated and unheard. In my experience almost all suggestions are addressed. This work competes with day jobs. Circling back, this program works very well as it is, it is excellent IMO. You can gain a lot by adapting yourself to it; or by buying the software that suits your needs better. On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Andrey Repin wrote: > Greetings, Dumitru Ursu! > > > I don't mean to be rude, but if users point out year after year at some > > odd feature, then maybe is time to review that bit of UX? > > No, it's time to carefully appraise the issue and make an informed > decision. > > > It's not a technical deficiency of SVG format, it's just a odd > > convention Dia developers choosed: I can see why they did it so, virtual > > paper allows for a infinite canvans, but most people are used to think > > in our phisical, finite world. > > Again, you use the word "most" in which you only include yourself and your > immediate surroundings. > > > -- > WBR, > Andrey Repin (anrdaemon@freemail.ru) 11.06.2014, <19:09> > > Sorry for my terrible english... > > _______________________________________________ > dia-list mailing list > dia-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list > FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq > Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia > > -- Put this question to yourself: should I use everyone else to attain happiness, or should I help others gain happiness? *Dalai Lama * Tell me what it is you plan to do With your one wild and precious life? Mary Oliver, "The summer day." To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet* Michael E. Ross (919) 550-2430 Land (919) 576-0824 Google Phone (919) 631-1451 Cell (919) 513-0418 Desk michael.e.ross@gmail.com --20cf305b1286977fbc04fb9164ba Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I like the way Dia works, and find it very flexible. =C2= =A0I think learning the software is the best choice. =C2=A0

<= div>I do not develop this code, however, I have seen the developers engage = with people and incorporate new ideas and features, often. =C2=A0This is wh= at I observe.

(Leaving bugs out of this conversation - they DO get fi= xed.)

The first step is to make a polite and c= ogent use case explaining why the current function is not sufficient, and h= ow the new function better serves users - without breaking anything that lo= ng time users think are exactly right. =C2=A0Spell it out and give examples= . Convenience may not be taken as a compelling reason; gradient fill and tr= ansparency might get more attention, for example. =C2=A0This requires some = back and forth with the developers, and it requires more than casual though= t/complaint/type. =C2=A0It requires and understanding of what Dia does, wha= t its current uses look like, what is already planned for the future, and i= t has to be interesting to the developers.=C2=A0

This is open source, and that means the people who work= on it probably actually like its function as it is - or they would "f= ix" it. =C2=A0I have learned that they are quite intelligent. And trea= ting them as such by tone of communication is merely honoring their free, h= ard work, and giving them the respect they deserve. =C2=A0

Do not waste their time with unclear description, and d= o not expect that they will agree with you, it can go either way. =C2=A0You= are welcomed, if you want to try to code the features yourself. =C2=A0But,= you need to work within the system to do that. =C2=A0Again, you will get m= ore worker bees with honey, than with vinegar. =C2=A0Be mindful what you sa= y and how, if you want to make progress. =C2=A0Sometimes being persistent i= s very helpful, but be decent in your communication, even if you feel frust= rated and unheard. =C2=A0In my experience almost all suggestions are addres= sed. =C2=A0This work competes with day jobs.

Circling back, this program works very well as it is, i= t is excellent IMO. =C2=A0You can gain a lot by adapting yourself to it; or= by buying the software that suits your needs better.

On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Andrey= Repin <anrdaemon@freemail.ru> wrote:

Greetings, Dumitru Ursu!

> I don't mean to be rude, but if users point out year after year at= some
> odd feature, then maybe is time to review that bit of UX?

No, it's time to carefully appraise the issue and make an informe= d decision.

> It's not a technical deficiency of SVG format, it's just a odd=
> convention Dia developers choosed: I can see why they did it so, virtu= al
> paper allows for a infinite canvans, but most people are used to think=
> in our phisical, finite world.

Again, you use the word "most" in which you only include yo= urself and your
immediate surroundings.

--
WBR,
Andrey Repin (anrdaemon@freemail.r= u) 11.06.2014, <19:09>

Sorry for my terrible english...

_____________________________= __________________
dia-list mailing list
dia-list@gnome.org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list
FAQ at http://l= ive.gnome.org/Dia/Faq
Main page at http:/= /live.gnome.org/Dia

--
=

Put this question to yourself: should I u= se everyone else to attain happiness, or should I help others gain happines= s? =C2=A0

Dalai Lama=C2=A0

Tell me what it is you plan to do=

With your one wild and precious life?

Mary Oliver, "= The summer day."

To invent, you need a good imagin= ation and a pile of junk.

T= homas A. Edison

A public-opinion poll is no s= ubstitute for thought.

Warren Buffet

M= ichael E. Ross

(919) 550-2430 Land

(919) 576= -0824=C2=A0Google Phone

(919) 631-1451<= /span> Cell
<= span title=3D"Call with Google Voice">michael.e.ross@gmail.com

<= /div>

--20cf305b1286977fbc04fb9164ba-- From dima@ceata.org Wed Jun 11 16:53:58 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dia-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F20A769C3 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 16:53:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.352 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.352 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HN2s5QlTDFKz for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 16:53:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.ceata.org (mail.ceata.org [94.177.12.141]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6FC176317 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 16:53:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ceata.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D67DC227ADD; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 19:54:55 +0300 (EEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ceata.org; s=default; t=1402505695; bh=hGanAyPgSBJaMZ6WoD0dVjLOOhd25XR3+uRkjeUNeCw=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=ZADrXUjqhEJIXSvxK7dUehMJrVC8++uewH7b3i2fVEtg6JOigPPGn1DFBZaoWdgif 6MeXa7vijf36/Gmq7/Azk5NauWiFdPq2ZMbV+t9FTFZAyNVTua92cPC1vTP5c0zlLo XnBa7n/IFHB81vWcEhhQQ8mnnVwjGeEAMsDFL1cA= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.ceata.org Received: from mail.ceata.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.ceata.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0SWnDk145tnW; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 19:54:53 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [192.168.166.101] (unknown [89.149.107.57]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.ceata.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6D206227A3D; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 19:54:53 +0300 (EEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ceata.org; s=default; t=1402505693; bh=hGanAyPgSBJaMZ6WoD0dVjLOOhd25XR3+uRkjeUNeCw=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=gxy9wqtVfhqpYPeY2hU94SFYhVMBLkdL2O6XqMjkMeNVq3BiftJako98RgTlM4jGz i7YuQZBGq5SBPVm40XT5oXMadrCfW4qiCTsswlNkw9m4ybp4FFvL3/gCdaqvU8O28P +ZMlY/Pv7yHnKITuedKtWA9+PMmxV6NE6uiZBvYE= Message-ID: <5398898A.6080601@ceata.org> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 19:53:30 +0300 From: Dumitru Ursu User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: anrdaemon@freemail.ru, discussions about usage and development of dia Subject: Re: Margins for A4 sheet References: <5396D003.2070609@ceata.org> <5396DF79.8000004@ceata.org> <1827416489.20140610145606@yandex.ru> <20140610195957.GC4812@chris> <53976517.5030505@ceata.org> <20140610201221.GE4812@chris> <819855453.20140611015302@yandex.ru> <20140611093951.GB3968@chris> <53986BAB.2090406@ceata.org> <342272882.20140611191110@yandex.ru> In-Reply-To: <342272882.20140611191110@yandex.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 16:53:58 -0000 On 06/11/2014 06:11 PM, Andrey Repin wrote: > Again, you use the word "most" in which you only include yourself and your > immediate surroundings. > Yes, my opinion is based on my immediate surroundigs, that is true. But as I said in a previous replay, is not that hard to find who are the users of dia, and what most people expect, by making a poll. Both our opinions are skewed, unless you have some data behind your claim, of course. Dima. From chris@zbmc.eu Wed Jun 11 16:59:27 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dia-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CE1A769C3 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 16:59:27 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ytnpIFBqhXRy for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 16:59:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay5-d.mail.gandi.net (relay5-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.197]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A10F076A07 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 16:59:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mfilter23-d.gandi.net (mfilter23-d.gandi.net [217.70.178.151]) by relay5-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EAD741C08B for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 18:59:03 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mfilter23-d.gandi.net Received: from relay5-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.197]) by mfilter23-d.gandi.net (mfilter23-d.gandi.net [10.0.15.180]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id soX5vBU5bfBQ for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 18:59:01 +0200 (CEST) X-Originating-IP: 84.92.49.234 Received: from chris.zbmc.eu (chrisisbd01.plus.com [84.92.49.234]) (Authenticated sender: smtp@zbmc.eu) by relay5-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 78F8041C061 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 18:59:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: by chris.zbmc.eu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B2C1D3800D7; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 17:59:00 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 17:59:00 +0100 From: Chris Green To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Margins for A4 sheet Message-ID: <20140611165900.GA4008@chris> Mail-Followup-To: dia-list@gnome.org References: <5396DF79.8000004@ceata.org> <1827416489.20140610145606@yandex.ru> <20140610195957.GC4812@chris> <53976517.5030505@ceata.org> <20140610201221.GE4812@chris> <819855453.20140611015302@yandex.ru> <20140611093951.GB3968@chris> <53986BAB.2090406@ceata.org> <342272882.20140611191110@yandex.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <342272882.20140611191110@yandex.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 16:59:27 -0000 On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 07:11:10PM +0400, Andrey Repin wrote: > Greetings, Dumitru Ursu! > > > I don't mean to be rude, but if users point out year after year at some > > odd feature, then maybe is time to review that bit of UX? > > No, it's time to carefully appraise the issue and make an informed decision. > That's what the man said! 'review' surely means much the same as "appraise the issue and make an informed decision". Don't be so defensive! :-) > > It's not a technical deficiency of SVG format, it's just a odd > > convention Dia developers choosed: I can see why they did it so, virtual > > paper allows for a infinite canvans, but most people are used to think > > in our phisical, finite world. > > Again, you use the word "most" in which you only include yourself and your > immediate surroundings. > It *isn't* only one person trying to make this point, surely this is becoming obvious now? -- Chris Green From tom@thomas-harding.name Wed Jun 11 23:52:06 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dia-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C743C7699F for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 23:52:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fqBhwm0d6qg6 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 23:52:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slow1-d.mail.gandi.net (slow1-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.178.86]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6394676317 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 23:51:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (relay6-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.198]) by slow1-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A58547A0CA for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 01:42:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mfilter26-d.gandi.net (mfilter26-d.gandi.net [217.70.178.154]) by relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33613FB883 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 01:42:08 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mfilter26-d.gandi.net Received: from relay6-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.198]) by mfilter26-d.gandi.net (mfilter26-d.gandi.net [10.0.15.180]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OPim5JmiLKYz for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 01:42:06 +0200 (CEST) X-Originating-IP: 37.160.47.116 Received: from [10.40.147.204] (unknown [37.160.47.116]) (Authenticated sender: tom@thomas-harding.name) by relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2BBA8FB881 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 01:42:05 +0200 (CEST) User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: <5396D003.2070609@ceata.org> <5396DF79.8000004@ceata.org> <1827416489.20140610145606@yandex.ru> <20140610195957.GC4812@chris> <53976517.5030505@ceata.org> <20140610201221.GE4812@chris> <819855453.20140611015302@yandex.ru> <20140611093951.GB3968@chris> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: Margins for A4 sheet From: Thomas Harding Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 01:42:01 +0200 To: discussions about usage and development of dia Message-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 23:52:06 -0000 Sorry for long quote : tht's tedious with a cellphone to wipe :) So, your method is the right one: starting from templates where needed. And fortunately it would be easy to code, with almost no impact on ui: ''= new diagram'' ''pause'' ''from template'' ''templates menu'' ; keeping ''new diagram'' short click as usual.=20 Ability to add templates would be great, keeping settings into (sheets, c= olors), would be a must... (long future). I have not even an hour to code that. But I'm tired of that regular flame= war subject on Dia list! Any volunteer 0:=3D> Regards, TSFH Michael Ross a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0: >I have a Dia called Start Dia File that has all the settings I like, >grid >size, scale some layers, margins, and so on. It is completely >unreasonable >for me to expect Dia to have exactly what I want as a default, but this >simple solution does provide that: > >When I start up, my Start Dia File is in the list of recently used >files, >and I pick it, then save as another name and move along. Or in the >nearly >inevitable case where some of those those defaults don't fit what I am >doing at the moment, I change the settings. > >Don't get me wrong, I have wished for a more conventional way to set >defaults on start up. But this is what we get unless we learn to write >the >code. I seem to recall there was some difficulty providing the change, >and >it required a lot more work than you might think. More work than those >doing it were willing to undertake when a simple workflow change solves >the >problem. > >This is a common occurrence - a new user has a bunch of suggestions >(that >are often repeats of previous ones from years past) that are not >informed >by experience with the program, how open source work gets done, and an >unwillingness to adapt to what is given. I have had the same reaction >myself. If someone points out a functional work around - it may be the >path of least resistance to use it. We do not understand the inner >workings of SVG, the basis of Dia, and over which the Dia developers do >not >have any more control over than we do over Dia. > >I have been using Dia for more than ten years now. I have looked >around >and tried other programs, but I have returned to Dia a number of times, >because it is very utilitarian. There is actually a community of users >that are promptly helpful (as opposed to a number of other open source >programs I use), and the program is very adaptable - by the user, >without >intervention of the development group. In conjunction with Inkscape >and >GIMP --=20 Envoy=C3=A9 de mon t=C3=A9l=C3=A9phone Android avec K-9 Mail. Excusez la = bri=C3=A8vet=C3=A9. From hans@breuer.org Thu Jun 12 19:46:26 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dia-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 399E1769EF for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 19:46:26 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RdX44QoKFccB for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 19:46:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtprelay.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0105.hostedemail.com [216.40.44.105]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD3B17698F for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 19:46:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (ff-bigip1 [10.5.19.254]) by smtprelay01.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A18DD235AE for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 19:46:01 +0000 (UTC) X-Session-Marker: 68616E73406272657565722E6F7267 X-Spam-Summary: 50, 0, 0, , d41d8cd98f00b204, hans@breuer.org, :, RULES_HIT:41:69:152:355:379:599:854:960:967:973:981:988:989:1187:1260:1261:1277:1311:1313:1314:1345:1359:1437:1515:1516:1518:1534:1542:1593:1594:1711:1730:1747:1777:1792:2194:2198:2199:2200:2393:2525:2553:2565:2682:2685:2692:2859:2892:2933:2937:2939:2942:2945:2947:2951:2954:3022:3138:3139:3140:3141:3142:3354:3865:3866:3867:3868:3870:3871:3872:3873:3874:3934:3936:3938:3941:3944:3947:3950:3953:3956:3959:4470:4605:5007:6117:6119:7652:7875:7903:8531:8545:8599:8603:9010:9025:9108:9388:10004:10226:10400:10848:11232:11233:11256:11257:11473:11658:11876:11914:12043:12517:12519:12555:12663:12679:12682:12740:12776:14093:14096:14097, 0, RBL:none, CacheIP:none, Bayesian:0.5, 0.5, 0.5, Netcheck:none, DomainCache:0, MSF:not bulk, SPF:fn, MSBL:0, DNSBL:none, Custom_rules:0:0:0 X-HE-Tag: coach79_34866aece2b33 X-Filterd-Recvd-Size: 2914 Received: from [192.168.42.101] (dslb-088-076-011-008.pools.arcor-ip.net [88.76.11.8]) (Authenticated sender: hans@breuer.org) by omf13.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 19:46:00 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <539A0375.9060002@breuer.org> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 21:45:57 +0200 From: Hans Breuer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Margins for A4 sheet References: <5396D003.2070609@ceata.org> <5396DF79.8000004@ceata.org> In-Reply-To: <5396DF79.8000004@ceata.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 19:46:26 -0000 At 10.06.2014 12:35, Dumitru Ursu wrote: > On 06/10/2014 12:29 PM, Dumitru Ursu wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I'm having some problems seeing/setting the margins for a A4 page; I've >> set up from preferences to color the A4 area with a light blue, but the >> whole canvas is painted; >> When I export to PDF I get a document of 4 pages, when I really need just >> one. >> Also, how do I scale the diagrams? >> > http://i.imgur.com/oRqmrI1.png > http://dia-installer.de/doc/en/quickstart-chapter.html#save-print-diagram > For anyone else having troubles with this, the solution is to go to File > > Page Setup, and fiddle around with the scale setting, until the red grid > encompases your drawing. > The red grid is the one who marks the page border. > Sorry that you apparently only grasped half of the related GUI. Instead of "fiddling around" you could have just selected "Fit to" and enter 1 in both fields. > Also, as a note for developers: can't the infinite canvas be made optional? Actually I have given some thoughts on an optional, more page oriented view but it goes more along the line of multi page programs like Keynote, Powerpoint etc. And your problem at hand would not magically vanish with this, because still the user needs to decide how many objects should fit to one page. > Having one A4 sheet by default is the way people are acustomed to work. If you are not willing to adapt do Dia's approach, it's probably best to switch to a program which fits better to you and your needs. Or read and understand Michael's response: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/dia-list/2014-June/msg00028.html > Or maybe some watermarking at each grid intersection: 600x800px> I dont understand why page size should be reflected in pixels. Almost all of Dia's shapes are fully scaleable without any information loss. BTW: I don't think that further discussion of usability poll or something is leading anywhere near to motivating someone to write the code ;) -------- Hans "at" Breuer "dot" Org ----------- Tell me what you need, and I'll tell you how to get along without it. -- Dilbert From hans@breuer.org Thu Jun 12 20:02:21 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dia-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D842C7698F for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 20:02:21 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wEmUOzTG7ktF for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 20:02:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtprelay.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0006.hostedemail.com [216.40.44.6]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E61D76984 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 20:01:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (ff-bigip1 [10.5.19.254]) by smtprelay02.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99B2C12BA11 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 20:01:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Session-Marker: 68616E73406272657565722E6F7267 X-Spam-Summary: 2, 0, 0, , d41d8cd98f00b204, hans@breuer.org, :, RULES_HIT:41:69:152:355:379:854:973:988:989:1187:1260:1261:1277:1311:1313:1314:1345:1359:1437:1515:1516:1518:1534:1541:1593:1594:1711:1730:1747:1777:1792:2393:2559:2562:2692:2693:3138:3139:3140:3141:3142:3353:3865:3866:3867:3868:3871:3872:3873:3874:4605:5007:6119:7652:7875:7903:8545:10004:10400:10848:11232:11233:11473:11658:11914:12517:12519:12740:13069:13311:13357:14096:14097, 0, RBL:none, CacheIP:none, Bayesian:0.5, 0.5, 0.5, Netcheck:none, DomainCache:0, MSF:not bulk, SPF:fn, MSBL:0, DNSBL:none, Custom_rules:0:0:0 X-HE-Tag: silk91_2e21991a22423 X-Filterd-Recvd-Size: 2219 Received: from [192.168.42.101] (dslb-088-076-011-008.pools.arcor-ip.net [88.76.11.8]) (Authenticated sender: hans@breuer.org) by omf02.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 20:01:56 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <539A0733.8040407@breuer.org> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 22:01:55 +0200 From: Hans Breuer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Diagram defaults? (was: Re: Margins for A4 sheet) References: <5396D003.2070609@ceata.org> <5396DF79.8000004@ceata.org> <1827416489.20140610145606@yandex.ru> <20140610195957.GC4812@chris> <53976517.5030505@ceata.org> <20140610201221.GE4812@chris> <819855453.20140611015302@yandex.ru> <20140611093951.GB3968@chris> In-Reply-To: <20140611093951.GB3968@chris> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 20:02:21 -0000 At 11.06.2014 11:39, Chris Green wrote: > [...] > > But it's *not* "seamlessly scalable" because the individual components > (of *any* of the types of objects that come with it) don't scale as > well as the diagram as a whole. They will scale plus/minus a factor > of two or so but beyond that they really don't work too well. Yes, if you try to scale every single object too much away from their defaults you are already fighting a lost cause. Sooner or later you'll stumble over object which are not resizable, but stil seamlessly scaleabe (e.g. UML - Actor). > Thus you *do* need to start with an appropriate sized 'sheet' if you want > to print your diagram or use it as other than a single huge diagram. > I dont understand this statement. You can draw your complete diagram ignoring page breaks and afterwards decide how many pages it should take. > I really like dia but I think it would be a whole lot more 'likeable' > and generally applicable to casual users if it defaulted to something > more tangible. > So if it is just a matter of defaults which defaults do you propose? -------- Hans "at" Breuer "dot" Org ----------- Tell me what you need, and I'll tell you how to get along without it. -- Dilbert From tom@thomas-harding.name Thu Jun 12 23:45:28 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dia-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A0557695E for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 23:45:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id usGZi8twhwqD for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 23:45:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay5-d.mail.gandi.net (relay5-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.197]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F7F3762C6 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 23:45:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mfilter14-d.gandi.net (mfilter14-d.gandi.net [217.70.178.142]) by relay5-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2817141C053 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 01:45:03 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mfilter14-d.gandi.net Received: from relay5-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.197]) by mfilter14-d.gandi.net (mfilter14-d.gandi.net [10.0.15.180]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gvncW78k8Lys for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 01:45:01 +0200 (CEST) X-Originating-IP: 37.163.157.218 Received: from [10.42.117.29] (unknown [37.163.157.218]) (Authenticated sender: tom@thomas-harding.name) by relay5-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 56D1C41C056 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 01:45:01 +0200 (CEST) User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <539A0375.9060002@breuer.org> References: <5396D003.2070609@ceata.org> <5396DF79.8000004@ceata.org> <539A0375.9060002@breuer.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: Margins for A4 sheet From: Thomas Harding Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 01:44:55 +0200 To: discussions about usage and development of dia Message-ID: <855de1e5-e3f6-4aab-8574-4ab98d5145e3@email.android.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 23:45:28 -0000 Badly quoted below : info on current printed area in centimeters or inches would be useful to= figure out paging=20 (beware that ms-foo print servers makes regularly jokes, especially with = anything but A4. Which will unlikely be splitted on A4 (an empty or "lock= ed' tray is sufficient) ) Find the bleeding edges, Luke :p BTW, I never looked at an ''auto print crop marks'' option (i'm not a tre= e killer). Also associated with something like "sozi" Inkscape plugin (with direct v= iew in a dia XML markeup extention, then JS/viewports for svg or wathever= at export),=20 It would be a killer feature! For whose don't know, effect is spotting/clipping on (rotateds as needed)= rectangles (viewports are for svg what bounding boxes are in PostScript= ). Not a troll: currently I need to export to svg, then half blind inkscape/= sozi edit. also I never tried a PDF export of Sozi ''animations'', and e= xpect PDF 1.n scripting is out of scope). Sozi is especially good on schematics presentations (teaching, ...) And thats keeps intact ''unfinite area''...=20 B Regards, TSFH. Hans Breuer a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0: >At 10.06.2014 12:35, Dumitru Ursu wrote: >> On 06/10/2014 12:29 PM, Dumitru Ursu wrote: >Actually I have given some thoughts on an optional, more page oriented >view=20 >but it goes more along the line of multi page programs like Keynote,=20 >Powerpoint etc. >And your problem at hand would not magically vanish with this, because=20 >still the user needs to decide how many objects should fit to one page. > >> Having one A4 sheet by default is the way people are acustomed to >work. >If you are not willing to adapt do Dia's approach, it's probably best >to=20 >switch to a program which fits better to you and your needs. Or read >and=20 >understand Michael's response: > https://mail.gnome.org/archives/dia-list/2014-June/msg00028.html > >> Or maybe some watermarking at each grid intersection: 1, >> 600x800px> >I dont understand why page size should be reflected in pixels. Almost >all=20 >of Dia's shapes are fully scaleable without any information loss. Not so bad idea from him, even wrong : a watetmark of "current printed ar= ea #n on m", expressed in centimeters or inches - accorded to current pag= e setup (so you can figure current scale, estimate how it will look like,= eg on paper or on screen projection. I think notably about the ''Sozi'' plugin from ''Inkscape'' (which unfort= unately need to open the file simutaneously in a web browser, or having a= clock and a rotate fonctions brain enableds. A task where MS-Windows suc= ks with it's fuckin file locking behavior). Sozi is based on viewports and something like smil JavaScript enabled. BTW: We could poll on polls usability ! --=20 Envoy=C3=A9 de mon t=C3=A9l=C3=A9phone Android avec K-9 Mail. Excusez la = bri=C3=A8vet=C3=A9. From bashdi@sonnenkinder.org Tue Jun 3 15:43:00 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dia-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8308D768D8 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 15:43:00 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lwELiguULcKd for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 15:42:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.15]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37C00768C6 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 15:42:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [88.209.32.73] by 3capp-gmx-bs49 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 17:42:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: "Bastian Beekes" To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Dia pdf export problem (windows) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:by4SWu0K5pGgiGqzOweUW69UcNlphzbbOVX3FqiD6dj x6qvxqPgmvVleI38DTrA16d+S0dgBDIG5UUTYKqvASfAhONQC9 WPVLBKLfvm7CYyI8+1zdP60jb5CmZAM6RtXGPa8JJp3GsEf92n XuxRMPiO9jRS9ovkhi6fGasTVsfEihMipIntBreqhazL3rE22F Ned1jKsfjlkYzMptji9qmqlvun9JoG1c4KRxaV1BtEGwUc36js DFxuMdC5QXPVMKnolQrnspeQQmJ+qigbiLQSiUZz9dkiVSZWWL 59TZuQ= X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 11:26:28 +0000 X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2014 15:43:00 -0000 X-Original-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 17:42:35 +0200 X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2014 15:43:00 -0000 Hi everyone, I have created some flowcharts in Dia (dia 0.97.2 - Windows 7 64 bit). Now= I want to export them to pdf. This is working alright if I use File > Page Setup > Fit to... Problem is,= Diagrams with different sizes all get zoomed differently. My perfect scale would be 41, but when I use a fixed scale instead of "Fit= to", I just get a bunch of empty pages when I export them to pdf. What "wo= rks" is if I draw a rectangle around the whole page in dia and set the line= color to white, so it is not displayed. Still, the pdfs contain 3 empty pa= ges and on the 4th page is my flowchart. =C2=A0 What can I do to correct that behaviour? It "seems" to be just because of = the Page setup... Thanks a lot, basti From cswhjiang@gmail.com Sat Jun 7 15:27:00 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dia-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE1FB76995 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2014 15:27:00 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QD1VelCq8GYf for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2014 15:27:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-f47.google.com (mail-wg0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F3447695A for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2014 15:26:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f47.google.com with SMTP id k14so3040245wgh.18 for ; Sat, 07 Jun 2014 08:26:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=/RfTDHUG30mQyaQqD4n4yrIRThsEpRyhXqcgAZMvUxk=; b=lwjSCo6tnlXeA1m47kfoh7y8/HCbcWF4TUiBG+bnM0I6uhAdjajwGtA+kUZJE0WSpS PjxoALsv4hfCoybo1cqBQR/qvPsmPibrldoShBWk+ZE9AVhB6dbUUyDSysAotJnLJvtp /kkgrN0jZk1Ux1hmQZa7JuVmggG4EFgS9RPaWsLQHt4fZ07dj+hoLSaFSkHhF4kvtURK elRdsuJIG4qFZ4O1uqt6XzwFmidC2tGgQtVyQ/SGCz5qcq8jmQeOBR6rSrneZ2kLroRG uNko4Tx/vTNIDNYdN8lfJeocRe/XiTwFHk0BOik2lkAMfae/icJolK4qVDF8yJtdFeeR wRUA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.211.146 with SMTP id nc18mr16686997wic.53.1402154796958; Sat, 07 Jun 2014 08:26:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.86.100 with HTTP; Sat, 7 Jun 2014 08:26:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: how to put text with formulas? From: Wenhao Jiang To: dia-list@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=001a11c3890a994d9804fb409ad2 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 11:26:28 +0000 X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2014 15:27:00 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2014 23:26:36 +0800 X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2014 15:27:00 -0000 --001a11c3890a994d9804fb409ad2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c3890a994d9504fb409ad0 --001a11c3890a994d9504fb409ad0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hello, I am using Dia (dia-gnome 0.97.2) to draw a simple diagram with some simple formulas. I put $\beta$ on it. But Dia does not give me the results I want. Did I use it in a wrong way? How can I add text with formulas? Thanks! 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Hello,

I am using Dia (dia-gnome 0.97.2= ) to draw a simple diagram with some simple formulas. I put $\beta$ on it. = But Dia does not give me the results I want. Did I use it in a wrong way? H= ow can I add text with formulas?

Thanks!

Bes= t Regards,

Wenhao Jiang

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with SMTP id rv4mr21101415vdb.50.1402305886337; Mon, 09 Jun 2014 02:24:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.93.136 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Jun 2014 02:24:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Need guidance about basic shapes From: Bhanu Pratap Singh To: dia-list@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec51968e738c1ee04fb63c8cb X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 11:26:28 +0000 X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2014 09:25:09 -0000 X-Original-Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 05:24:46 -0400 X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2014 09:25:09 -0000 --bcaec51968e738c1ee04fb63c8cb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi All, I am using arc in my diagram to connect two states. How can i embedded text within in Arc shape. Arc is basic shape in Dia so i will have to modify basic shapes in Dia to insert a textbox. Please let me know how basic shapes can be modified in Dia Regards Bhanu --bcaec51968e738c1ee04fb63c8cb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi All,

I am using arc in my diagram to= connect two states.

How can i embedded text withi= n in Arc shape. Arc is basic shape in Dia so i will have to modify basic sh= apes in Dia to insert a textbox.

Please let me know how basic shapes can be modified in = Dia

Regards

Bhanu

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