From sberry@northlc.com Sun Oct 1 18:35:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E9223B002C for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 18:35:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01775-10 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 18:35:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trueband.net (trueband.net [216.163.120.10]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 51D283B0144 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 18:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 30646 invoked by uid 1006); 1 Oct 2006 22:33:17 -0000 Received: from sberry@northlc.com by rs0 by uid 1003 with qmail-scanner-1.16 (spamassassin: 3.1.4. Clear:SA:0(0.0/100.0):. Processed in 0.490519 secs); 01 Oct 2006 22:33:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO trueband.net) (172.16.0.16) by -v with SMTP; 1 Oct 2006 22:33:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 22036 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2006 22:33:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO YOUR13E050B673) (70.41.10.180) by -v with SMTP; 1 Oct 2006 22:33:10 -0000 Message-ID: <00d301c6e5a9$9182f3f0$6401a8c0@YOUR13E050B673> From: "Scott Berry" To: Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 17:32:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CF_01C6E57F.A34D5780" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.525 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.525, BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: 0.525 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Orca working with Kde X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2006 22:35:33 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CF_01C6E57F.A34D5780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How far along is the process of Orca working with Gnome? It looks like = Orca set the proper flags to Kde but can't get any speech here is the = message I get. Cannot start Orca because it cannot connect = =20 to the Desktop. Please make sure the DISPLAY = =20 environment variable has been set. = =20 What is the display environment variable supposed to be? Scott ------=_NextPart_000_00CF_01C6E57F.A34D5780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
How far along is the process of Orca = working with=20 Gnome?  It looks like Orca set the proper flags to Kde but can't = get any=20 speech here is the message I get.
 
Cannot start Orca because it cannot=20 connect           =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;      =20
to the Desktop.  Please make sure the=20 DISPLAY           =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;    =20
environment variable has been=20 set.           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;   =20
 
What is the display environment = variable supposed=20 to be?
 
Scott
------=_NextPart_000_00CF_01C6E57F.A34D5780-- From jorges@elsendero.es Mon Oct 2 03:45:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2ADB3B00F5 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 03:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23679-05 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 03:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ares.elsendero.net (unknown [62.81.216.15]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEBFC3B0077 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 03:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 3952 invoked by uid 11186); 2 Oct 2006 07:44:51 -0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by ares (envelope-from , uid 501) with qmail-scanner-1.25 (clamdscan: 0.88.4. spamassassin: 3.1.5. Clear:RC:1(127.0.0.1):. Processed in 0.057096 secs); 02 Oct 2006 07:44:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail.elsendero.es) ([127.0.0.1]) (envelope-sender ) by 0 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 2 Oct 2006 07:44:50 -0000 Received: from 62.81.216.254 (SquirrelMail authenticated user jorges@elsendero.es) by webmail.elsendero.es with HTTP; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 09:44:50 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <22604.62.81.216.254.1159775090.squirrel@webmail.elsendero.es> In-Reply-To: <1159558239.26610.1.camel@desktop> References: <451AD491.6060801@kristersplace.ws> <1159558239.26610.1.camel@desktop> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 09:44:50 +0200 (CEST) From: Jorge =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sand=EDn?= To: Michael.Pedersen@Sun.COM User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.586 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.013, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.586 X-Spam-Level: Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Orca not reading checked/unchecked" state in "users and groups" dialog - is this known? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: jorges@elsendero.es List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 07:45:06 -0000 > Hello, > >> I have been trying to use the "users and groups" dialog from the prefs >> menu of the system menu in Gnome with Orca under Ubuntu. On the >> "previleges" page there's a table where you can specify what services >> the user may and may not use . Some items are checked and others are >> not, but Orca doesn't read the status of the check boxes. Is this a >> known bug or something one should report somewhere? > > I have just confirmed this. Please file a bug at bugzilla.gnome.org > under product orca. > thanks much for your testing. > Mike Hi, I've been playing with treeviews with checkboxes inside its cells and I can also confirm that Orca doesn't read the status of the check box... _("Free as in Freedom") From aaronleventhal@moonset.net Sun Oct 1 20:44:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 609693B00B9 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 20:44:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07164-05 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 20:44:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24F063B0085 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 20:44:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.28]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 01 Oct 2006 20:44:22 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,241,1157342400"; d="scan'208"; a="312022287:sNHT30132164" Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.7.5a-GA) with ESMTP id HDM46536; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 20:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-180-148-92.c3-0.arl-ubr2.sbo-arl.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO [192.168.0.6]) ([207.180.148.92]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 01 Oct 2006 20:44:10 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,241,1157342400"; d="scan'208"; a="286200666:sNHT25224204" Message-ID: <452060CA.2000104@moonset.net> Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2006 20:43:54 -0400 From: Aaron Leventhal User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0b1pre (Windows/20060928) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Henrik Nilsen Omma References: <451E49A4.1050502@kristersplace.ws> <451E642A.9070509@ubuntu.com> In-Reply-To: <451E642A.9070509@ubuntu.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A090204.452060C0.0013,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=207.172.4.11, so=2006-05-09 23:27:51, dmn=5.2.113/2006-07-26 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 08:42:40 -0400 Cc: Ubuntu accessibility list , orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Orca A newbie question to firefox users out there X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 00:44:29 -0000 It won't just be a matter of updating Firefox. We're going for a long term approach here, that requires updates to the ATK/AT-SPI infrastructure as well as to the screen readers (Orca and LSR). As far as improving document navigation, it will likely require that either the screen readers take control of document navigation (ala JAWS and Window-Eyes), or they install an extension which controls caret navigation. However, I don't want to assume anything about how each screen reader developer plans to move forward. Another idea that has been discussed is just fixing the built-in Firefox caret navigation that people are using now. However, this is way harder than it sounds, and it's already been discussed quite a bit. I don't get much involved in Mozilla keyboard support anymore, but I'd have to warn off anyone who wants to fix that code, since it's in ancient hairy Mozilla layout code. Therefore, I'm recommending the options I stated at the top of this email. The bottom line is that this is a work in progress. The screen reader developers for Orca and LSR have builds of Firefox now where they can see the overhauled AT-SPI support, but they still can't use collections yet (which will allow them very fast access to document structure). We will have to ask the developers of Orca and LSR what they think their ideal schedule would be for a beta, assuming 1) the Firefox overhaul continues well into the polishing phase and 2) we get collections into the infrastructure (although I don't want to assume that all screen reader developers want to use them). - Aaron Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote: > Krister Ekstrom wrote: >> Hi and sorry for the cross posting. >> I understand that blind Ubuntu users use Mozilla Firefox with at least >> moderate success with Orca. I have tried the Firefox that comes with the >> latest Edgy, Bon echo beta 2 and on pages that don't contain tables or >> frames or forms, things seem to work very smoothly, however on pages >> with tables, forms, frames etc the cursor tends to get stuck and either >> i hear the same line spoken over and over or i don't hear anything at >> all. Has anyone else the same experience or is there something somewhere >> in Gnome, Firefox or elsewhere that needs to be changed? >> Thanks for any help. >> > > Hi Krister, > > I believe this is the current state of Firefox access. A major > overhaul of accessibility support is planned for Firefox 3 (which I > guess will be out in 9 months or so?) See the mozilla access page for > more info: http://www.mozilla.org/access/ > > I've taken the liberty of copying in Aaron Leventhal, lead of the > mozilla accessibility effort on this mail, so he can correct any > mistakes I've made :) > > When we start seeing Firefox 3 code that runs reasonably well, I'd > like to see ubuntu packages made available somewhere (or other simple > ways of installing on Ubuntu) so our user community can help test the > bleeding edge for access issues and feed back to the mozilladevs > working on it. > > Henrik > From researchbase@gmail.com Mon Oct 2 13:00:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C408E3B0011 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 13:00:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21154-03 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 13:00:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.185]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94DCE3B000B for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 13:00:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l36so1567138nfa for ; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:00:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.29.3 with SMTP id g3mr5946739nfj; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:00:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.67.9 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:00:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 22:30:54 +0530 From: "krishnakant Mane" To: "Henrik Nilsen Omma" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.16 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.240, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.16 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Ubuntu accessibility list , orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Orca new to web page accessibility, want to help in coding. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:00:56 -0000 hello, I have been observing a lot of emails asking about the status of firefox accessibility with orca. I have also posted on the same issue a couple of times. I will however like to mention a particular point. it seams that the complete accessibility for firefox wont appear on the desktop for about 1 year at least. so I will like to make my contribution. I have also mentioned this previously that I am a good c and python developer. I want to know how web accessibility works on a conceptual level. I will particularly like to know what approach orca is taking for web accessibility including accessibility for html forms etc. I will then like to get into the firefox accessibility. may be I will do some work from scratch or may be I will like to contribute if it will create any impact on the timeline. Krishnakant From William.Walker@Sun.COM Mon Oct 2 14:00:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC5F23B006D for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 14:00:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24878-03 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 14:00:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 544513B006C for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 14:00:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-04.sun.com ([192.18.108.178]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k92I0NJm028358 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 12:00:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0J6I00M01SEGZR00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:00:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.10] ([129.150.64.55]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0J6I007K6SOMRDO1@mail-amer.sun.com>; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:00:23 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 14:05:19 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: krishnakant Mane Message-id: <1159812319.31947.114.camel@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.583 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.015, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.583 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Ubuntu accessibility list , orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Orca new to web page accessibility, want to help in coding. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 18:00:29 -0000 Hi Krishnakant: There will be several interim releases of Firefox (and Orca) between now and the time Firefox 3 is released. In addition, all the work will be done in the public eye so things will not remain mysterious boxes of ooze that are tossed over the wall. If you will be the the Boston area on October 9, there's an accessiblity summit that includes an architectural discussion to it: http://live.gnome.org/Boston2006/AccessibilitySummit We can also try to take some minutes of the summit to help others who won't be able to attend. With respect to Firefox, the thing I'd most like to see fixed is the caret navigation problem. The general message I get from the Firefox accessibility lead is that it's too hard of a problem for them and nobody wants to work on it. In other words, if we want it to work, we need to fix it ourselves (the beauty of open source!!!). Maybe a fresh set of eyes on the problem might yield something. After that, there's differences in between the AT-SPI implementation of the Gecko toolkit of Firefox and the semi-defacto standard implementation in GNOME's GTK+. Part of me wants to wrestle with getting Gecko to do it the GTK way, but the other part of me says to ignore that battle and just work around the differences using the Orca script. Right now, the general feeling I'm getting is that requests of this sort will be too hard for the Firefox team to do, so we're better off spending our time working around the differences via the Orca script for Gecko. In any case, most of this type of stuff just covers the GUI components like push buttons, text areas, etc., which is the least interesting facet of the browser accessibility problem. The most important thing we need to focus on in Orca is interpreting Firefox's AT-SPI implementation when it comes to the document content itself. This is where I expect we'll be spending the bulk of our time. If you have a large amount of experience in interpreting DOM objects, mucking with DHTML, etc., and don't mind using applications such as "at-poke" to pore through big widget hierarchies, you might be able to help us out here. Will On Mon, 2006-10-02 at 22:30 +0530, krishnakant Mane wrote: > hello, > I have been observing a lot of emails asking about the status of > firefox accessibility with orca. > I have also posted on the same issue a couple of times. > I will however like to mention a particular point. > it seams that the complete accessibility for firefox wont appear on > the desktop for about 1 year at least. > so I will like to make my contribution. > I have also mentioned this previously that I am a good c and python developer. > I want to know how web accessibility works on a conceptual level. > I will particularly like to know what approach orca is taking for web > accessibility including accessibility for html forms etc. > I will then like to get into the firefox accessibility. may be I will > do some work from scratch or may be I will like to contribute if it > will create any impact on the timeline. > Krishnakant > From bart@ursys.com.au Mon Oct 2 21:55:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C8753B0096 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 21:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14834-05 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 21:55:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cassowary.net.businet (unknown [203.7.149.14]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A5B13B0078 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 21:55:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bart.inside.urnet.com.au ([10.0.6.10] helo=zart.inside.urnet.com.au) by cassowary.net.businet with esmtp (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1GUZVK-0006LD-MI for ; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 11:55:32 +1000 Received: from bart by zart.inside.urnet.com.au with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GUZWs-00070F-83 for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 11:57:06 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17697.50032.247041.357084@zart.inside.urnet.com.au> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 11:57:04 +1000 From: bart@bunting.net.au To: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.4.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.638 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_REAL_NAME=0.961] X-Spam-Score: -1.638 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Orca Speech not interupting as expected X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 01:55:34 -0000 Hi all, I'm new to orca and have it working, both on my debian sid and ubuntu edgy installs. I'm using dectalk for the speech but the problem I'm about to describe happens also if I use festival. On one machine (the ubuntu one) the speech does not interupt as I would expect. For example if I arrow around on the desktop orca reads every icon in sequence that i move over without any interupts to speech even if i arrow quickly. If i do the same thing on the other machine it exhibits the expected behaviour, interupting speech when I hit the arrow key and immediately starts speaking the name of the new item. Is this a setting somewhere or something, it's really anoying to have to listen to all that extra speech :). Cheers Bart From William.Walker@Sun.COM Tue Oct 3 09:02:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65DB63B0077 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 09:02:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10135-07 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 09:02:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92E8A3B006A for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 09:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-01.sun.com ([192.18.108.175]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k93D2OJO022003 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 07:02:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0J6K00A0194FP700@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 07:02:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.10] ([129.150.64.55]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0J6K000GZ9JZZ3X2@mail-amer.sun.com>; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 07:02:24 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 09:07:21 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <17697.50032.247041.357084@zart.inside.urnet.com.au> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: bart@bunting.net.au Message-id: <1159880842.31947.126.camel@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <17697.50032.247041.357084@zart.inside.urnet.com.au> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.583 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.015, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.583 X-Spam-Level: Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Orca Speech not interupting as expected X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 13:02:27 -0000 Hi Bart: There were some infrastructure problems on Ubuntu where Orca wasn't getting keystroke events (Orca uses keystroke events as an indicator to interrupt speech). As a result, Orca wouldn't know when to interrupt speech. We never really figured out what was the cause of the problem, but it seemed to go away in the latest Edgy stuff. Will On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 11:57 +1000, bart@bunting.net.au wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm new to orca and have it working, both on my debian sid and ubuntu > edgy installs. I'm using dectalk for the speech but the problem I'm > about to describe happens also if I use festival. > > On one machine (the ubuntu one) the speech does not interupt as I > would expect. For example if I arrow around on the desktop orca reads > every icon in sequence that i move over without any interupts to > speech even if i arrow quickly. > > If i do the same thing on the other machine it exhibits the expected > behaviour, interupting speech when I hit the arrow key and immediately > starts speaking the name of the new item. > > Is this a setting somewhere or something, it's really anoying to have > to listen to all that extra speech :). > > Cheers > > Bart > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From jfayre@cocenter.org Tue Oct 3 10:17:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F7BF3B01E5 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 10:17:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14664-07 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 10:17:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx.cbeyond.com (mx.cbeyond.com [66.180.96.58]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D7373B01F6 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 10:17:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [69.15.207.226] (port=53966 helo=[192.168.1.177]) by mx.cbeyond.com with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GUl5U-0003Wj-Bi; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 10:17:36 -0400 Message-ID: <452270FA.5080408@cocenter.org> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 08:17:30 -0600 From: Jason Fayre User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bart@bunting.net.au References: <17697.50032.247041.357084@zart.inside.urnet.com.au> In-Reply-To: <17697.50032.247041.357084@zart.inside.urnet.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.23 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.369, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.23 X-Spam-Level: Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Orca Speech not interupting as expected X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 14:17:41 -0000 Hello, I am also seeing this on a ubuntu edgy install. It seems that this happens if I log on as a non-root user. bart@bunting.net.au wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm new to orca and have it working, both on my debian sid and ubuntu > edgy installs. I'm using dectalk for the speech but the problem I'm > about to describe happens also if I use festival. > > On one machine (the ubuntu one) the speech does not interupt as I > would expect. For example if I arrow around on the desktop orca reads > every icon in sequence that i move over without any interupts to > speech even if i arrow quickly. > > If i do the same thing on the other machine it exhibits the expected > behaviour, interupting speech when I hit the arrow key and immediately > starts speaking the name of the new item. > > Is this a setting somewhere or something, it's really anoying to have > to listen to all that extra speech :). > > Cheers > > Bart > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From garycramblitt@comcast.net Tue Oct 3 10:55:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 301A53B00C2 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 10:55:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16764-02 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 10:55:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.192.83]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7624E3B00FD for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 10:55:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newton.columbine.comcast.net (c-68-48-179-177.hsd1.md.comcast.net[68.48.179.177](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with ESMTP id <20061003145550m1300m216oe>; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 14:55:50 +0000 From: Gary Cramblitt To: orca-list@gnome.org Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 10:55:59 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.4 References: <17697.50032.247041.357084@zart.inside.urnet.com.au> <452270FA.5080408@cocenter.org> In-Reply-To: <452270FA.5080408@cocenter.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ansi_x3.4-1968" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610031055.59353.garycramblitt@comcast.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.082 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.474, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447] X-Spam-Score: 0.082 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Orca Speech not interupting as expected X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 14:55:53 -0000 On Tuesday 03 October 2006 10:17, Jason Fayre wrote: > Hello, > I am also seeing this on a ubuntu edgy install. It seems that this > happens if I log on as a non-root user. > > bart@bunting.net.au wrote: > > On one machine (the ubuntu one) the speech does not interupt as I > > would expect. For example if I arrow around on the desktop orca reads > > every icon in sequence that i move over without any interupts to > > speech even if i arrow quickly. registryd uses XEvIE I believe? If so, make sure you have enabled XEvIE in xorg.conf Section "Extensions" Option "XEVIE" "Enable" EndSection Even tho XEvIE loads by default, it is not enabled unless you have this. To confirm, check the Xorg log for (**) Extension "XEVIE" is enabled -- Gary Cramblitt (aka PhantomsDad) From bart@ursys.com.au Tue Oct 3 19:19:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C65BD3B006D for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 19:19:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09644-07 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 19:19:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cassowary.net.businet (unknown [203.7.149.14]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39ED13B007F for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 19:19:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bart.inside.urnet.com.au ([10.0.6.10] helo=zart.inside.urnet.com.au) by cassowary.net.businet with esmtp (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1GUtY9-0005RX-9a; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 09:19:46 +1000 Received: from bart by zart.inside.urnet.com.au with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GUtZu-0003XU-VB; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 09:21:35 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17698.61566.863533.337094@zart.inside.urnet.com.au> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 09:21:34 +1000 From: bart@bunting.net.au To: Willie Walker In-Reply-To: <1159880842.31947.126.camel@localhost> References: <17697.50032.247041.357084@zart.inside.urnet.com.au> <1159880842.31947.126.camel@localhost> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.4.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.638 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_REAL_NAME=0.961] X-Spam-Score: -1.638 X-Spam-Level: Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Orca Speech not interupting as expected X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:19:51 -0000 Willie Walker writes: Will, Thanks for the info. Some further digging revealed that it must be a gnome setting somewhere. O creating a new user didn't have the problem O removing all gnome config files from my home dir and things now work correctly. Bart > Hi Bart: > > There were some infrastructure problems on Ubuntu where Orca wasn't > getting keystroke events (Orca uses keystroke events as an indicator to > interrupt speech). As a result, Orca wouldn't know when to interrupt > speech. We never really figured out what was the cause of the problem, > but it seemed to go away in the latest Edgy stuff. > > Will > > On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 11:57 +1000, bart@bunting.net.au wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I'm new to orca and have it working, both on my debian sid and ubuntu > > edgy installs. I'm using dectalk for the speech but the problem I'm > > about to describe happens also if I use festival. > > > > On one machine (the ubuntu one) the speech does not interupt as I > > would expect. For example if I arrow around on the desktop orca reads > > every icon in sequence that i move over without any interupts to > > speech even if i arrow quickly. > > > > If i do the same thing on the other machine it exhibits the expected > > behaviour, interupting speech when I hit the arrow key and immediately > > starts speaking the name of the new item. > > > > Is this a setting somewhere or something, it's really anoying to have > > to listen to all that extra speech :). > > > > Cheers > > > > Bart > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > From SRS0=1aTx=DR=ubuntu.com=henrik@srs.kundenserver.de Wed Oct 4 05:28:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 375D43B00EE for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 05:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00391-04 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 05:28:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE83C3B006A for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 05:27:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [80.213.194.142] (helo=[80.213.194.142]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu4) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML21M-1GV32i1sEq-0002hN; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 11:27:57 +0200 Message-ID: <45237E9B.9010004@ubuntu.com> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 11:27:55 +0200 From: Henrik Nilsen Omma User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060918) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List References: <6445c94d0610032314q38520e87reb759dc300ab586f@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6445c94d0610032314q38520e87reb759dc300ab586f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:8d5020abe73c4c19784bf38f0f038dcc X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.001, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Orca screen reader developers Subject: Re: Orca Ubuntu Edgy: -Magnifier does not follow scrolling in Firefox X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 09:28:04 -0000 Robert Cole wrote: > Hello. > > I apologize if this is a previously stated issue. > > I am not sure if this is a bug in Orca-Magnifier or Firefox 2.0Beta 2 > Accessibility (which I believe is the default browser in Edgy). > Basically, when scrolling on a Web page, the magnifier component of > Orca does not show the new contents of the browser window until the > mouse pointer is moved ( i.e. it does not actively show scrolling). I > am unsure of which magnifier (gnome-mag or some other magnifier) is > used with Orca, but gnome-mag/Gnopernicus did not have this problem > when I tested it. Other than that, the magnifier itself works very > well (after changing its default position to a top-horizontal split) I was going to say that this is probably a Firefox issue, but I'm intigued you say that it worked with gnopernicus. They both use gnome-mag. Was this with the same version of Firefox. I'm copying the orca list in case this is a regression in magnifier support (may be a regression in Firefox?) Henrik From coscell@mail.batol.net Fri Oct 6 01:06:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFF863B000E for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 01:06:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21162-03 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 01:06:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp03.aptg.net (smtp03.aptg.net [210.200.211.38]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A559D3B0003 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 01:06:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp03.aptg.net (Rmail v1.2 (Rev 2.3) Sachiel) with ESMTP id 56FA139C7 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 13:06:14 +0800 (CST) Received: from smtp03.aptg.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp03 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03766-04 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 13:06:14 +0800 (CST) Received: from coscell.homeip.net (210-58-48-51.cm.dynamic.apol.com.tw [210.58.48.51]) by smtp03.aptg.net (Rmail v1.2 (Rev 2.3) Sachiel) with ESMTP id AFAC9399A for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 13:06:13 +0800 (CST) Received: from coscell.homeip.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coscell.homeip.net (8.13.8/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k9656MkW003045 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 13:06:22 +0800 Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by coscell.homeip.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id k9656ME9003042 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 13:06:22 +0800 Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 13:06:22 +0800 (CST) From: coscell@mail.batol.net X-X-Sender: root@coscell.homeip.net To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at aptg.net X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.503 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, NO_REAL_NAME=0.961] X-Spam-Score: -1.503 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Orca orca 2.17 released X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 05:06:17 -0000 ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/orca/2.17/orca-2.17.0.tar.bz2 From cerha@brailcom.org Fri Oct 6 18:17:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3B483B0080 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 18:17:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09381-01 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 18:17:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gate.brailcom.cz (158-84-244-84.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz [84.244.84.158]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 33D1B3B002B for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 18:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 3416 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2006 23:43:21 +0200 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.15.2?) (192.168.15.2) by ns.brailcom.xx with SMTP; 6 Oct 2006 23:43:21 +0200 Message-ID: <4526D61E.3010200@brailcom.org> Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 00:18:06 +0200 From: Tomas Cerha Organization: Brailcom, o.p.s. User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: orca-list@gnome.org References: <450A75EC.6000705@kristersplace.ws> <20060915104504.GA28179@sunset.terramitica.net> <1158324202.7187.36.camel@localhost> In-Reply-To: <1158324202.7187.36.camel@localhost> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.398 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.066, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.398 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Orca punctuation and speechfactory problem X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 22:17:39 -0000 Willie Walker wrote: >> Speech dispatcher doesn't appear in the list of available drivers. >> But I did everything according to Tomas page. When I used it in July, it worked perfectly. > > Eeks. I'm not sure. We haven't really had a chance to focus on the > SpeechDispatcher stuff submitted by Tomas Cerha yet. But, the error > message you are getting is because the SpeechDispatcher support in Orca > (from the patch - we haven't rolled it into Orca at this time) is not > able to find the SpeechDispatcher speechd Python module. It may be that > the speechd module is not in the PYTHONPATH. Sorry for a late reply, I was away for some time. I guess Will might be right. Did it help? If not, let me know please. Best regards, Tomas. From riqiradio@gmail.com Sat Oct 7 22:22:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 512C53B0084 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 22:22:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11958-05 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 22:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EEC83B0061 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 22:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] ([24.200.65.73]) by VL-MO-MR002.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.05 (built Apr 28 2005)) with ESMTP id <0J6S00DQMP8MAMA0@VL-MO-MR002.ip.videotron.ca> for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 22:22:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 22:22:04 -0400 From: Miguel Ross To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-id: <1160274124.6426.11.camel@alpha-desktop> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.084 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_NEUTRAL=1.069] X-Spam-Score: 1.084 X-Spam-Level: * X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 19:28:22 -0400 Subject: Orca orca presentation X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 02:22:05 -0000 Hi every one, This wensday I'll do a conference in french about orca for the gulse (groupe des utilisateur de linux de saint-eustache et des environs) www.gulse.org. Because I found the product very good it is almost comparable with jaws. I want to know who is represent sun micro system in quebec because I think that is important to have some one represent sun for this audience. This conference is at laval (cegep monmorency) coledge door c3516. Thanks to answer to me as fastest as possible. From dmalcolm@redhat.com Sun Oct 8 10:13:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE90F3B0085; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 10:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26746-09; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 10:13:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B6F53B0011; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 10:13:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k98EDn9W031558; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 10:13:49 -0400 Received: from mail.boston.redhat.com (mail.boston.redhat.com [172.16.76.12]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k98EDmvo018949; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 10:13:48 -0400 Received: from [10.13.248.37] (vpn-248-37.boston.redhat.com [10.13.248.37]) by mail.boston.redhat.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k98EDmX2024468; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 10:13:48 -0400 From: David Malcolm To: devel-announce-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 10:13:47 -0400 Message-Id: <1160316827.2932.46.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.0 (2.8.0-7.fc6) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.597 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.004, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.597 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 19:28:36 -0400 Cc: dogtail-devel-list@gnome.org, orca-list@gnome.org, ldtp-dev@lists.freedesktop.org Subject: Orca Summary of dogtail/test talk at Boston GNOME Summit (Saturday afternoon) X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 14:13:53 -0000 [cross-posting to Dogtail, LDTP and Orca development lists] We had an impromptu session on Dogtail on the Saturday afternoon of the GNOME Summit. There was a broad range of knowledge of the accessibility stack within the participants, from "none" to "implemented large sections of it", so we spent some time giving an overview of how it works, and how you can hook into it for the purposes of testing. I then gave an idea of how dogtail is structured, along with a comparison to how LDTP and Orca work (as I understand them; please correct me if I've got this wrong): +--------------------------------+ +------+ | test suites | | Orca | +--------------------------------+ +------+ | | | (via pyorbit) +---------------+ +------------+ | |dogtail scripts| |LDTP scripts| | +---------------+ +------------+ | | | | +---------------+ +------------+ | | dogtail | | LDTP py | | +---------------+ +------------+ | | | | +---------------+ +------------+ | | pyspi | | LDTP .c | | +---------------+ +------------+ | | (via Pyrex) | (handwritten) | +--------------------------------+ | +-----------------+ | cspi | | | apps under test | +--------------------------------+ | +-----------------+ | | | +------------------------------------------------+ | | AT-SPI idl | | +------------------------------------------------+ | | | +---------------------- CORBA ------------+ I then demoed the Dogtail script recorder, including the keystroke recording functionality (which people seemed impressed by). (BTW, turns out that syntax highlighting is broken in HEAD - I've submitted a fix for this to bugzilla this morning) We brainstormed some ideas for testing that a11y is working properly in apps: - ensuring that widgets without names have labels attached (I believe Dobey's LDTP-based testsuite for a11y does this already) - looking at XYWH of widgets and ensuring that tabbing order is sane. - check that correct ATK events fire when events happen e.g. do radio buttons in a group change state appropriately when one is selected Some points were raised for improvement of dogtail: - move website from current insane URL ( http://people.redhat.com/zcerza/dogtail/ to somewhere less insane, preferably not in the .redhat.com domain (also, people didn't realize that the code was on GNOME CVS, and bugs in GNOME bz); make project less directly associated with Red Hat? dogtail.org? live.gnome.org? - documentation is lacking. we should add some links to the articles Len wrote to our website: http://www.redhat.com/magazine/020jun06/features/dogtail/ http://www.redhat.com/magazine/021jul06/features/dogtail/ http://www.redhat.com/magazine/022aug06/features/dogtail/ or even embed this HTML content in the module's documentation - can the recorder inject "sleep" statements to reflect actual timings? - should we port to pyorbit? (aka how Orca works, see diagram above) In theory this would give us richer exception support, and lose the probable bugs in cspi and pyspi - the fewer modules the better (makes ASCII-art easier too). IIRC Zack tried this and exchanged one set of bugs for another - Zack, is this on a branch somewhere? - how will we integrate with jhbuild? should dogtail have its own harness? or should it be designed to work in an arbitrary harness? Apparently there's a patch sitting in BZ that implements LDTP and Dogtail support for jhbuild. We started hacking, and identified a couple of issues for Dogtail on Solaris: patch authored for Solaris support in Dogtail and submitted to GNOME BZ; fixed the other issue (Solaris packaging), and then ran out of time. Thanks to all the participants - did I miss anything? Dave From SRS0=dfLu=DY=ubuntu.com=henrik@srs.kundenserver.de Wed Oct 11 06:37:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB1393B0070 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 06:37:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27571-10 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 06:37:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E25C03B002A for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 06:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [81.191.160.114] (helo=[81.191.160.114]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwh2-1GXbSi0Ah4-0003Q5; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:37:20 +0200 Message-ID: <452CC966.7050504@ubuntu.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:37:26 +0200 From: Henrik Nilsen Omma User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060918) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:8d5020abe73c4c19784bf38f0f038dcc X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.002, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Orca Making run the magnifier on the Live CD X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:37:23 -0000 Hi, On the ubuntu Live CD we have a few boot options that let you start various pre-configure access options by pressing F5 and a number. The settings are generally made via the gconf2 tool. We can set Orca to start in this way, but we are not able to make it _start with the magnifier_ since that is now stored in .orca/user-settings.py Is there some simple way of pushing a change into the configuration of orca from the command line or an 'orca --magnifier' option? I guess we could store a copy of .orca/user-settings.py somewhere on the Live CD system and copy it in before starting orca, but that's getting a bit hacky this late in the process. Any better ideas? Henrik From coscell@mail.batol.net Wed Oct 11 07:17:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20D9B3B0099 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 07:17:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29405-03 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 07:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.aptg.net (smtp02.aptg.net [210.200.211.37]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F45B3B0070 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 07:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp02.aptg.net (Rmail v1.2 (Rev 2.3) Sachiel) with ESMTP id 493F83D90; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 19:17:19 +0800 (CST) Received: from smtp02.aptg.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp02 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19278-06; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 19:17:18 +0800 (CST) Received: from coscell.homeip.net (210-58-48-51.cm.dynamic.apol.com.tw [210.58.48.51]) by smtp02.aptg.net (Rmail v1.2 (Rev 2.3) Sachiel) with ESMTP id C395F3D8E; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 19:17:18 +0800 (CST) Received: from coscell.homeip.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coscell.homeip.net (8.13.8/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k9BBHOBv008745; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 19:17:24 +0800 Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by coscell.homeip.net (8.13.8/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id k9BBHOkb008742; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 19:17:24 +0800 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 19:17:24 +0800 (CST) From: coscell@mail.batol.net X-X-Sender: root@coscell.homeip.net To: Henrik Nilsen Omma In-Reply-To: <452CC966.7050504@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: References: <452CC966.7050504@ubuntu.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at aptg.net X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.758 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.744, BAYES_05=-1.11, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, NO_REAL_NAME=0.961] X-Spam-Score: -0.758 X-Spam-Level: Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Orca Making run the magnifier on the Live CD X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:17:23 -0000 hi, Does orca support firefox? I couldn't read any page. From cdog2005@gmail.com Thu Oct 12 03:58:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1712D3B00A4 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 03:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27106-02 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 03:58:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.202]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB2543B0074 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 03:58:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 13so215920nzn for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 00:58:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.176.3 with SMTP id d3mr2293503qbp; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 00:58:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.154.5 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 00:58:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <500d692d0610120058o54776054mf8b945594155b072@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 03:58:38 -0400 From: "Cody Hurst" To: orca-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.276 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.124, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.276 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Orca compiling orca 2.17 failed, gcc error? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 07:58:40 -0000 Hello all, I just tried to compile orca 32.17 and gcc gave me an error: can not create executables. I'd post configure.log here but elinks won't let me...I"m assuming its still buggy so I should jsut wait till the final release of gcc? I've been doing frequent updates/upgrades... Cody From William.Walker@Sun.COM Thu Oct 12 09:44:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33CF93B0077 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:44:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11239-09 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93D6C3B00A0 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:44:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-06.sun.com ([192.18.108.180]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k9CDiMMZ028912 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 07:44:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0J7000001Z8UDH00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 07:44:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.4.30] ([66.92.95.13]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0J70001NQZHXY582@mail-amer.sun.com>; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 07:44:22 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:44:20 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <500d692d0610120058o54776054mf8b945594155b072@mail.gmail.com> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Cody Hurst Message-id: <1160660660.4762.1.camel@ubuntu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <500d692d0610120058o54776054mf8b945594155b072@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Orca compiling orca 2.17 failed, gcc error? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:44:26 -0000 Hi Cody: Works fine for me. Are you sure the directory where you're running the configure gives your user account write access (i.e., does 'touch foo' from the same directory where you are running the configure give any errors)? Will On Thu, 2006-10-12 at 03:58 -0400, Cody Hurst wrote: > Hello all, > I just tried to compile orca 32.17 and gcc gave me an error: can not > create executables. I'd post configure.log here but elinks won't let > me...I"m assuming its still buggy so I should jsut wait till the final > release of gcc? I've been doing frequent updates/upgrades... > > Cody > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From Evan.Yan@Sun.COM Thu Oct 12 13:01:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37B1B3B00F0 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:01:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20966-07 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:01:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sineb-mail-1.sun.com (sineb-mail-1.sun.com [192.18.19.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4233E3B00A6 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:01:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-apac-04.sun.com (fe-apac-04.sun.com [192.18.19.175] (may be forged)) by sineb-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k9CH1LFi013732 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 01:01:22 +0800 (SGT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-apac.sun.com by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0J71005017EEJU00@mail-apac.sun.com> (original mail from Evan.Yan@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 01:01:21 +0800 (SGT) Received: from [129.158.217.187] by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0J7100G068M8W6F1@mail-apac.sun.com>; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 01:01:21 +0800 (SGT) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 01:02:06 +0800 From: Evan Yan In-reply-to: Sender: Evan.Yan@Sun.COM To: coscell@mail.batol.net Message-id: <452E750E.6020107@Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <452CC966.7050504@ubuntu.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060719) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Orca Making run the magnifier on the Live CD X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:01:31 -0000 Yes, of course. And firefox 3 would be more accessible. You can get it from http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk/ -Evan coscell@mail.batol.net wrote: > hi, > > Does orca support firefox? I couldn't read any page. > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > From SRS0=dDAp=D2=ubuntu.com=henrik@srs.kundenserver.de Fri Oct 13 04:46:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 752AD3B0208 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 04:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30110-08 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 04:46:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB5C43B007C for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 04:46:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [81.191.160.114] (helo=[81.191.160.114]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwh2-1GYIgn2QcV-0003Qw; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:46:45 +0200 Message-ID: <452F5283.3090200@ubuntu.com> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:46:59 +0200 From: Henrik Nilsen Omma User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060918) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Orca screen reader developers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:8d5020abe73c4c19784bf38f0f038dcc X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.002, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Orca on Edgy -- update X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:46:48 -0000 Hi, After some bug fixing in our boot system we now finally have Orca starting on the Live CD the way we intended. CDs found here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ and any Edgy release after RC should work this way. New instructions for booting: * Start the machine with the Edgy CD in the drive * Wait for about 5-10 seconds (waiting too long --30 sec-- will cause the boot to continue without accessibility features) * You are now at the boot options menu * Press F5 for the the accessibility menu, 3 for screen reader and Enter to activate * Press Enter again to boot the CD * Wait 2-3 minutes as the CD boots * You should now be greeted with 'Welcome to Orca' The Orca+installer issue should also be sorted out today. We still have some trouble getting the magnifier to autostart though. Henrik From j-diggs@comcast.net Fri Oct 13 10:42:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 854083B01B3 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:42:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15597-07 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:42:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.192.84]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD7483B00AA for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:42:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.35.101] (c-24-147-88-22.hsd1.nh.comcast.net[24.147.88.22]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20061013144218m14003uqkge>; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:42:19 +0000 From: Joanmarie Diggs To: Henrik Nilsen Omma In-Reply-To: <452F5283.3090200@ubuntu.com> References: <452F5283.3090200@ubuntu.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:42:16 -0400 Message-Id: <1160750536.4868.1.camel@gumby> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.529 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.027, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447] X-Spam-Score: 0.529 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Orca screen reader developers Subject: Re: Orca on Edgy -- update X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:42:23 -0000 Hi Henrik. I just gave it a try. This is awesome!! I was wondering.... Would it be worthwhile to have a system beep occur when the initial install screen appeared? That would help address the problem of how to know when it's time to press F5 if you can't see the screen. And, to be honest, there have been more than a few occasions when I've booted my laptop from the live CD, turned away briefly, and then discovered that I had to reboot because the install screen came and went before I could give it the "noapic" option. Had a system beep grabbed my attention.... :-) What version of Orca will be on the live CD post RC? One of the reasons for my query is that Rich fixed the problem of the Orca Preferences dialog appearing but not automatically getting focus. It would be cool if when Orca started, the Preferences dialog had focus so that the user knows its there. Thanks and take care. Joanie On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 10:46 +0200, Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote: > Hi, > > After some bug fixing in our boot system we now finally have Orca > starting on the Live CD the way we intended. CDs found here: > http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ > > and any Edgy release after RC should work this way. > > New instructions for booting: > > * Start the machine with the Edgy CD in the drive > * Wait for about 5-10 seconds (waiting too long --30 sec-- will cause > the boot to continue without accessibility features) > * You are now at the boot options menu > * Press F5 for the the accessibility menu, 3 for screen reader and Enter > to activate > * Press Enter again to boot the CD > * Wait 2-3 minutes as the CD boots > * You should now be greeted with 'Welcome to Orca' > > The Orca+installer issue should also be sorted out today. We still have > some trouble getting the magnifier to autostart though. > > Henrik > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM Fri Oct 13 10:59:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64ECD3B01FF for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:59:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16616-02 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:59:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E41E3B02C6 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:59:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-04.sun.com ([192.18.108.178]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k9DExBqu018057 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:59:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0J7200K01WTJ6A00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:59:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (c-24-6-152-125.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.6.152.125]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0J7200CFVXMMA010@mail-amer.sun.com>; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:59:11 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 07:57:08 -0700 From: Rich Burridge In-reply-to: <452F5283.3090200@ubuntu.com> Sender: Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM To: Henrik Nilsen Omma Message-id: <452FA944.4050108@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <452F5283.3090200@ubuntu.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20060113) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Orca screen reader developers Subject: Re: Orca on Edgy -- update X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:59:16 -0000 Hi Henrik, > > After some bug fixing in our boot system we now finally have Orca > starting on the Live CD the way we intended. CDs found here: > http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ > > and any Edgy release after RC should work this way. > This is great! Congratulations. I'd like to make a very minor suggestion for a future release (hopefully you are even working on it already 8-) ): > New instructions for booting: > > * Start the machine with the Edgy CD in the drive > * Wait for about 5-10 seconds (waiting too long --30 sec-- will cause > the boot to continue without accessibility features) > Any chance you can get an audible cue in there, similar to the one that happens when the GDM login screen appears? That would totally take away the guess work of knowing when it's at the boot options menu. > * You are now at the boot options menu > * Press F5 for the the accessibility menu, 3 for screen reader and Enter > to activate > * Press Enter again to boot the CD > * Wait 2-3 minutes as the CD boots > * You should now be greeted with 'Welcome to Orca' > > The Orca+installer issue should also be sorted out today. We still have > some trouble getting the magnifier to autostart though. > Thanks. From SRS0=dDAp=D2=ubuntu.com=henrik@srs.kundenserver.de Fri Oct 13 11:21:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5984C3B007E for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17497-08 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:21:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 903963B006C for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [81.191.160.114] (helo=[81.191.160.114]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu6) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML29c-1GYOqJ2WYp-000071; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:20:59 +0200 Message-ID: <452FAEEA.6090304@ubuntu.com> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:21:14 +0200 From: Henrik Nilsen Omma User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060918) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Orca screen reader developers References: <452F5283.3090200@ubuntu.com> <1160750536.4868.1.camel@gumby> In-Reply-To: <1160750536.4868.1.camel@gumby> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:8d5020abe73c4c19784bf38f0f038dcc X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.002, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Orca on Edgy -- update X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:21:04 -0000 Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > Hi Henrik. I just gave it a try. This is awesome!! > > I was wondering.... Would it be worthwhile to have a system beep occur > when the initial install screen appeared? That would help address the > problem of how to know when it's time to press F5 if you can't see the > screen. And, to be honest, there have been more than a few occasions > when I've booted my laptop from the live CD, turned away briefly, and > then discovered that I had to reboot because the install screen came and > went before I could give it the "noapic" option. Had a system beep > grabbed my attention.... :-) > It's absolutely worthwhile, though we are here getting into territory that affects all users so it probably needs a wider debate. Filing a bug here: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gfxboot/+bugs citing *both* of those use cases would be a good start. No chance for Edgy as we are now in deep Freeze, but it can be debated for Edgy+1 > What version of Orca will be on the live CD post RC? One of the reasons > for my query is that Rich fixed the problem of the Orca Preferences > dialog appearing but not automatically getting focus. It would be cool > if when Orca started, the Preferences dialog had focus so that the user > knows its there. > Same exact code as now. We have a finite list of serious bugs that we intend to fix before releasing RC (and Orca is not on that list). Between RC and Final we will only fix new issues that cause serious pain (if any turn up). That's the process at this stage :) But then development opens up completely for the next version. I've started putting some ideas here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Specs Rich Burridge wrote: > This is great! Congratulations. I'd like to make a very minor suggestion > for a future release (hopefully you are even working on it already 8-) ): Indeed. At least on paper (see above). You can even make major suggestions :) Rich, are you in the SF bay area? Can you make it to the Ubuntu dev summit in November? That's mainly where we will spec out new ideas. Henrik From Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM Fri Oct 13 11:36:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E7E03B006C for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:36:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18502-03 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:36:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B44DB3B012F for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:36:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-06.sun.com ([192.18.108.180]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k9DFa8E1004079 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 09:36:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0J7200801Z93XU00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 09:36:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (c-24-6-152-125.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.6.152.125]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0J7200CYGZC7JD10@mail-amer.sun.com>; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 09:36:08 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:34:05 -0700 From: Rich Burridge In-reply-to: <452FAEEA.6090304@ubuntu.com> Sender: Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM To: Henrik Nilsen Omma Message-id: <452FB1ED.6000802@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <452F5283.3090200@ubuntu.com> <1160750536.4868.1.camel@gumby> <452FAEEA.6090304@ubuntu.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20060113) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Orca screen reader developers Subject: Re: Orca on Edgy -- update X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:36:12 -0000 Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote: > Rich Burridge wrote: > >> This is great! Congratulations. I'd like to make a very minor suggestion >> for a future release (hopefully you are even working on it already 8-) ): >> > Indeed. At least on paper (see above). You can even make major > suggestions :) > > Rich, are you in the SF bay area? Can you make it to the Ubuntu dev > summit in November? That's mainly where we will spec out new ideas. > Yes and yes. Thanks. From William.Walker@Sun.COM Fri Oct 13 17:01:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3AAF3B0073 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:01:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02558-06 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:01:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B44F3B006E for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:01:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-03.sun.com ([192.18.108.177]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k9DL1Ii4028258 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:01:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0J7300901ECI4000@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:01:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0J7300ME3EE53JS3@mail-amer.sun.com>; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:01:18 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:01:16 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <452F5283.3090200@ubuntu.com> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Henrik Nilsen Omma Message-id: <1160773276.8818.4.camel@ubuntu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <452F5283.3090200@ubuntu.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.588 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.010, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.588 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Orca screen reader developers Subject: Re: Orca on Edgy -- update X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:01:22 -0000 Yeah Henrik! Thanks much again for all your support. At the GNOME Boston 2006 accessibility summit, we came up with an idea that we'd like to propose to distributions that provide accessible installs: if an accessible install is used, enable accessibility support (i.e., the /desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility gconf setting) in the default gconf schemas. This will prevent the need to re-enable accessibility for your login session. What do you think of this? Will On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 10:46 +0200, Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote: > Hi, > > After some bug fixing in our boot system we now finally have Orca > starting on the Live CD the way we intended. CDs found here: > http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ > > and any Edgy release after RC should work this way. > > New instructions for booting: > > * Start the machine with the Edgy CD in the drive > * Wait for about 5-10 seconds (waiting too long --30 sec-- will cause > the boot to continue without accessibility features) > * You are now at the boot options menu > * Press F5 for the the accessibility menu, 3 for screen reader and Enter > to activate > * Press Enter again to boot the CD > * Wait 2-3 minutes as the CD boots > * You should now be greeted with 'Welcome to Orca' > > The Orca+installer issue should also be sorted out today. We still have > some trouble getting the magnifier to autostart though. > > Henrik > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From SRS0=Aujx=D3=ubuntu.com=henrik@srs.kundenserver.de Sat Oct 14 04:39:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 958633B0153 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 04:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30109-09 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 04:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA6D23B014C for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 04:39:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [81.191.160.114] (helo=[81.191.160.114]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwpI-1GYf3N1ZY7-0004Tl; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:39:34 +0200 Message-ID: <4530A256.5030807@ubuntu.com> Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:39:50 +0200 From: Henrik Nilsen Omma User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060918) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Orca screen reader developers References: <452F5283.3090200@ubuntu.com> <1160773276.8818.4.camel@ubuntu> In-Reply-To: <1160773276.8818.4.camel@ubuntu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:8d5020abe73c4c19784bf38f0f038dcc X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.002, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Orca on Edgy -- update X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 08:39:45 -0000 Willie Walker wrote: > Yeah Henrik! Thanks much again for all your support. > > At the GNOME Boston 2006 accessibility summit, we came up with an idea > that we'd like to propose to distributions that provide accessible > installs: if an accessible install is used, enable accessibility > support (i.e., the /desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility gconf setting) > in the default gconf schemas. This will prevent the need to re-enable > accessibility for your login session. > Yes we do that now. The settings that you activate with F5 should also be active when you restart after install for the user account that you created during install. Additional setting that you activate during the Live CD session are unfortunately not carried over. This is very new and still had some bugs fixed just yesterday and has AFAIK not been properly tested -- but in theory it works. Another snag is that our installer hack designed to let the installer run orca as root turned out not to be very stable and has been removed. So we have to write some release notes describing the best way to launch the installer with accessibility. (sudo su; orca; ubiquity). Henrik From William.Walker@Sun.COM Sat Oct 14 12:10:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 132783B007A for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:10:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19991-08 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:10:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com (brmea-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79A573B017A for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:10:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-03.sun.com ([192.18.108.177]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k9EGAgD0015194 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:10:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0J7400C01VB8RU00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:10:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0J7400MFQVLT3AR5@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:10:42 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:10:40 -0400 From: Willie Walker Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-id: <1160842240.24193.13.camel@ubuntu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_GtpsOYkIM166pAt6/P7HPQ)" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.588 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.010, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.588 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Orca [Fwd: Announcing v2.17.1] X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 16:10:51 -0000 --Boundary_(ID_GtpsOYkIM166pAt6/P7HPQ) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT FYI...Orca v2.17.1 was posted today. --Boundary_(ID_GtpsOYkIM166pAt6/P7HPQ) Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Forwarded message - Announcing Orca v2.17.1 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:09:57 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: Announcing Orca v2.17.1 To: gnome-announce-list@gnome.org Message-id: <1160842196.24193.11.camel@ubuntu> X-Envelope-from: William.Walker@Sun.COM X-Envelope-to: orca-list@gnome.org MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT =============== * What is Orca? =============== Orca is a free, open source, flexible, and extensible screen reader that provides access to the graphical desktop via user-customizable combinations of speech, braille, and/or magnification. Orca has been been developed by the Sun Microsystems, Inc., Accessibility Program Office via continued engagement with its end users. Now that Orca is part of the GNOME Desktop, we've decided to adopt the GNOME versioning scheme to make it easier to correlate Orca releases with GNOME releases. As such the Orca 2.17.x series are designated for the GNOME 2.17.x releases. The Orca v2.17.1 release contains a number of enhancements plus some rather aggressive refactoring in the areas of support for UTF-8 and unicode. We believe Orca v2.17.1 is relatively stable, but we look forward to feedback from our users outside the en_US locale. ================================== * What's changed for Orca v2.17.1? ================================== 2.17.1 - 14-Oct-2006 * Implemented RFE 361167: add use of Insert+r and Insert+c as a means to specify dynamic column headers and dynamic row headers in Open Office spreadsheets. * Fixed bug 361747: provide support for the 'weight' text attribute. Also make sure that character text attributes are handled correctly. * Implemented RFE 319657: In gedit, Orca now speaks the context of search ('find') results. * Implemented RFE 339789: Added code to "Where Am I" to report the number of items in menus and submenus as well as the current position of a menu item or menu in its menu. * Fix for bug 350523: In gcalctool, give preference to accessible name of a button over the text that is being displayed on a button. * Added use of Python logging API to log speech and braille at the INFO level. This will dovetail in with the larger testing work being done for GNOME. * Fix for bug 350219: provide announcement when you create a new document for the very first time in Open Office. * Fix for bug 354785: read the entire line in the "Process Fields" preferences table in gnome-system-monitor. Fix involved a rework of how table cells are brailled and spoken. * Fix for bug 349954: do not make assumptions that UTF-8 strings contain only single byte characters. Handle this by converting to the Python unicode type before doing processing such as string length and character analysis. * Added 'getText' method to script to provide a means for the script to work around shortcomings in some accessible text implementations. * Exploratory work on the Gecko.py script to help debug and provide an understanding of what the Gecko AT-SPI implementation is providing us. * Added ZONE support for goBegin and goEnd functions of flat review (thanks Joanie Diggs!) * Improvements to the test harness. NOTE: as a result of the GNOME Boston 2006 Accessibility Summit, we may revise this harness as the overall testing strategy for GNOME develops. * New and updated translations (THANKS!): et Estonian Ivar Smolin ===================== * Where can I get it? ===================== You can obtain Orca v2.17.1 in source code form at the following URL: http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/orca/2.17/orca-2.17.1.tar.bz2 http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/orca/2.17/orca-2.17.1.tar.gz >From the Sun Microsystems, Inc., Accessibility Program Office, Willie Walker, Project Lead Mike Pedersen, User Interface Design Rich Burridge, Core Development and Scripting Lynn Monsanto, Core Development and Java Platform Support Michele Budris, Program Management --Boundary_(ID_GtpsOYkIM166pAt6/P7HPQ)-- From Christian_Gerhardt@t-online.de Sun Oct 15 13:00:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C004C3B0108 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 13:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08988-08 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 13:00:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailout11.sul.t-online.com (mailout11.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.85]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A11733B00AC for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 13:00:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fwd32.aul.t-online.de by mailout11.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1GZ9LM-0005Ir-09; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:00:08 +0200 Received: from continuum (JT+NXmZVoeT-ED0GaVgzB-vx5MF3Ya0a4PekuvYyEp1n1PxmHsYYon@[84.143.212.2]) by fwd32.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1GZ9LE-1GxVhI0; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:00:00 +0200 Received: from chris by continuum with local (Exim 4.50) id 1GZ9Kx-0008Ke-1z for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 18:59:43 +0200 Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 18:59:42 +0200 From: Christian Gerhardt To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20061015165942.GJ6976@continuum> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-ID: JT+NXmZVoeT-ED0GaVgzB-vx5MF3Ya0a4PekuvYyEp1n1PxmHsYYon X-TOI-MSGID: 89ae9d8e-9dd2-4b65-aff2-57008e14fe60 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Orca Trouble installing on Debian Sarge/Testing X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 17:00:17 -0000 Hi there! I am Christian from Hamburg/Germany to say at least a little bit about me ;-) Some days ago I downloaded the sources for orca1.0.0 and gnome-speech for there was no such package for Sarge/Testing. I managed to built all and installed it. Now I am running into problems when trying to perform 'orca --setup'. As I saw, there was someone who already asked that question, but is there any way to solve this problem? The error message is: Traceback (most recent call last): File "", line 1, in ? File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/orca.py", line 45, in ? import atspi File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/atspi.py", line 49, in ? ORBit.CORBA.ORB_init(orb_id="orbit-io-thread") TypeError: ORB_init() takes no keyword arguments I also tried to install Ubuntu/Edgy for there is Orca included, but it doesn't work not even with the known work around. It freezes and I can't say what the problem actually is. It'll be very nice if you could respond to my qeustion. Hope I don't have to wait for Debian Etch... :-) Regards, Christian From Michael.Pedersen@Sun.COM Sun Oct 15 13:17:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BE7F3B006E for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 13:17:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10621-05 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 13:17:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nwk-ea-fw-1.sun.com (nwk-ea-fw-1.sun.com [192.18.42.249]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 601713B00DD for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 13:17:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from d1-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.39.119]) by nwk-ea-fw-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k9FHHTAo023588 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 10:17:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.d1-sfbay-09.sun.com by d1-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0J7600I01T613G00@d1-sfbay-09.sun.com> (original mail from Michael.Pedersen@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 10:17:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (c-71-202-47-37.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [71.202.47.37]) by d1-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0J7600KIATD4SH00@d1-sfbay-09.sun.com>; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 10:17:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 10:18:18 -0700 From: Mike Pedersen In-reply-to: <20061015165942.GJ6976@continuum> Sender: Michael.Pedersen@Sun.COM To: Christian Gerhardt Message-id: <45326D5A.50205@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <20061015165942.GJ6976@continuum> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.588 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.010, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.588 X-Spam-Level: Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Orca Trouble installing on Debian Sarge/Testing X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 17:17:41 -0000 Hello Christian, > Some days ago I downloaded the sources for orca1.0.0 and gnome-speech for > there was no such package for Sarge/Testing. I managed to built all and > installed it. Now I am running into problems when trying to perform 'orca > --setup'. As I saw, there was someone who already asked that question, but is > there any way to solve this problem? > The problem here is that debian ships a very old version of pygtk. I believe if you get the latest version from gnome.org this should solve your problem. Mike From listmail@hoschwald.de Mon Oct 16 10:36:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3022F3B00D1 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03896-08 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.as-6.de (as-7.de [80.190.252.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3982F3B0018 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.as-6.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4230E92803B for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:36:26 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.as-6.de Received: from mail.as-6.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.as-6.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 70gQKBqpXtHo for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:36:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from debian.hq.otrs.com (lancelot.otrs.com [217.64.92.7]) by mail.as-6.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C4A1928039 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:36:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: by debian.hq.otrs.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7E1E9C58; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:36:36 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:36:36 +0200 From: Henning Oschwald To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20061016143635.GA11094@debian.hq.otrs.com> References: <20061015165942.GJ6976@continuum> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20061015165942.GJ6976@continuum> User-Agent: mutt-ng/devel-r804 (Debian) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.464 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.464 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Orca Trouble installing on Debian Sarge/Testing X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 14:36:35 -0000 Hi Christian, Am Sonntag, 15. Oktober schrieb Christian Gerhardt: > Some days ago I downloaded the sources for orca1.0.0 and gnome-speech for > there was no such package for Sarge/Testing. I managed to built all and > installed it. Now I am running into problems when trying to perform 'orca > --setup'. [...] > TypeError: ORB_init() takes no keyword arguments You have to install the package 'python-pyorbit' at least in version 2.14.x. This package is merely contained in the 'experimental' branch, but it also works well with recent testing and unstable. . Best regards, Henning From krister@kristersplace.ws Wed Oct 18 13:01:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 534273B0075 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:01:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28708-07 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:01:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mxfep04.bredband.com (mxfep04.bredband.com [195.54.107.79]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07FB03B009B for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:01:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ironport.bredband.com ([195.54.107.82] [195.54.107.82]) by mxfep04.bredband.com with ESMTP id <20061018170109.TZEL8360.mxfep04.bredband.com@ironport.bredband.com> for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:01:09 +0200 Received: from c-6af970d5.018-38-6d6c6d2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO [192.168.0.172]) ([213.112.249.106]) by ironport.bredband.com with ESMTP; 18 Oct 2006 19:01:09 +0200 From: Krister Ekstrom To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:01:08 +0200 Message-Id: <1161190868.8224.10.camel@krister-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.343 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.256, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.343 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Orca has trouble finding dialogs X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: krister@kristersplace.ws List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:01:13 -0000 Hi to the list. I have encountered a little strangeness in Orca v 2.17.1. It seems that Orca has trouble finding and focusing on certain dialog boxes. When these dialogs come up, it looks as if Orca hangs, but it doesn't it sits waiting for commands which can't be performed because there's a dialog box waiting for answers in the background somewhere, at least that's what i think. When i try reaching this dialog box with alt+tab, nothing happens and Orca just cycles around the open program(s) but apparently doesn't see the dialog. The programs where this is most frequent and where this behaviour is reprodusable, at least on my system are: BitTornado, latest version, where i can't reach the "save as" dialog. OpenOffice.org agenda wizard, there must be a dialog present because there pops up a read-only template and there appears to be form fields which you can fill in, and those must be in a dialog that Orca can't reach. Mozilla quality feedback agent. Are these known problems that you work on or is it bug filing time again? -- /Krister From William.Walker@Sun.COM Wed Oct 18 13:18:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B2663B0083 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:18:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29796-03 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:18:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 097123B009B for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:18:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-03.sun.com ([192.18.108.177]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k9IHI9cu010104 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:18:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0J7C00B01D3SBA00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:18:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0J7C00MRRDE93AH6@mail-amer.sun.com>; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:18:09 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:18:06 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <1161190868.8224.10.camel@krister-desktop> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: krister@kristersplace.ws Message-id: <1161191886.17070.101.camel@ubuntu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <1161190868.8224.10.camel@krister-desktop> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.588 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.010, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.588 X-Spam-Level: Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Orca has trouble finding dialogs X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:18:13 -0000 Hi Krister: > The programs where this is most frequent and where this behaviour is > reprodusable, at least on my system are: > BitTornado, latest version, where i can't reach the "save as" dialog. I have no clue what this app is or how to run it. :-( > OpenOffice.org agenda wizard, there must be a dialog present because > there pops up a read-only template and there appears to be form fields > which you can fill in, and those must be in a dialog that Orca can't > reach. I'd like to check this out. How do you bring up the agenda wizard? > Mozilla quality feedback agent. > Are these known problems that you work on or is it bug filing time > again? Bug buddy dialogs like this have posed a problem for us in the past, but we've worked around them with scripts specific to the app. We might need to do something for Mozilla. BTW, bugs (one problem per report and use meaningful subject, please) are always good. We'll close 'em if they aren't for real, and we can provide information as we make progress on them. Thanks! Will From petra@access-for-all.ch Wed Oct 18 13:33:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D79203B01A2 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:33:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30799-09 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:33:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from backup01.scalera.ch (backup01.scalera.ch [195.129.94.187]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AE2B3B024B for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 20105 invoked by uid 503); 18 Oct 2006 17:33:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO blade1-3.iptech.localdomain) (195.129.94.130) by 0 with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 18 Oct 2006 17:33:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 1232 invoked by uid 104); 18 Oct 2006 17:33:13 -0000 Received: from 85.0.153.50 by blade1-3 (envelope-from , uid 408) with qmail-scanner-1.25 (clamdscan: 0.88.4. spamassassin: 3.1.5. Clear:RC:1(85.0.153.50):. Processed in 0.067681 secs); 18 Oct 2006 17:33:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO LESE-SCHREIBSYS) (85.0.153.50) by blade1-3.iptech.localdomain with SMTP; 18 Oct 2006 17:33:12 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:33:17 +0200 From: Petra Ritter X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.0.1.33) Home X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <2710214656.20061018193317@access-for-all.ch> To: orca-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.16 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.420, BAYES_20=-0.74] X-Spam-Score: -1.16 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Orca Installing on Debian Sarge X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: Petra Ritter List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:33:37 -0000 Hello, Has somebody on this list managed to install Orca on Sarge /testing successfully? In the list archive I sow some posting on this topic, however I did not find a message that says wether the installation was successful or not at the end. I have a Sarge/testing system and would like to try install Gnome and Orca on it. Mit freundlichen Gr=FCssen/ Best regards Petra Ritter ____________________________________________________________________ Zugang f=FCr alle Schweizerische Stiftung zur behindertengerechten Technologienutzung Grubenstrasse 12 8045 Z=FCrich Tel. +41 (0)44 383 44 16=20 Fax +41 (0)44 383 44 92 E-Mail: petra@access-for-all.ch Internet: http://www.access-for-all.ch From Michael.Pedersen@Sun.COM Wed Oct 18 13:33:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E68B3B0154 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:33:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30835-02 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:33:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nwk-ea-fw-1.sun.com (nwk-ea-fw-1.sun.com [192.18.42.249]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 511D03B01AB for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from d1-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.39.120]) by nwk-ea-fw-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k9IHXHWT027071 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 10:33:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.d1-sfbay-10.sun.com by d1-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0J7C00J01DZEUA00@d1-sfbay-10.sun.com> (original mail from Michael.Pedersen@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 10:33:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.4] ([71.202.47.37]) by d1-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0J7C00CPTE39OHQI@d1-sfbay-10.sun.com>; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 10:33:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:33:03 -0400 From: Mike Pedersen In-reply-to: <1161191886.17070.101.camel@ubuntu> Sender: Michael.Pedersen@Sun.COM To: Willie Walker Message-id: <1161192783.31128.2.camel@laptop> Organization: Sun MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <1161190868.8224.10.camel@krister-desktop> <1161191886.17070.101.camel@ubuntu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.589 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.009, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.589 X-Spam-Level: Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Orca has trouble finding dialogs X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: Michael.Pedersen@Sun.COM List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:33:46 -0000 Hi, > Bug buddy dialogs like this have posed a problem for us in the past, but > we've worked around them with scripts specific to the app. We might > need to do something for Mozilla. In this case Mozilla is using an in-accessible external app which will be replaced by one that is accessible for firefox 3. The best thing to do is to go into your extentions directory and delete the "talk back client" application. Mike From William.Walker@Sun.COM Wed Oct 18 13:40:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 813AB3B00AA for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:40:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31181-03 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com (brmea-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D752A3B00FB for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:40:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-03.sun.com ([192.18.108.177]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k9IHebCp010797 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:40:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0J7C00F01E3E3O00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:40:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0J7C00LW5EFOE9W5@mail-amer.sun.com>; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:40:37 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:40:34 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <452CC966.7050504@ubuntu.com> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Henrik Nilsen Omma Message-id: <1161193235.17070.119.camel@ubuntu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <452CC966.7050504@ubuntu.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.588 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.010, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.588 X-Spam-Level: Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Orca Making run the magnifier on the Live CD X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:40:44 -0000 Hi Henrik: We might be able to make Orca honor the gconf settings for launching the magnifier. Would you like us to do so? Will On Wed, 2006-10-11 at 12:37 +0200, Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote: > Hi, > > On the ubuntu Live CD we have a few boot options that let you start > various pre-configure access options by pressing F5 and a number. > > The settings are generally made via the gconf2 tool. We can set Orca to > start in this way, but we are not able to make it _start with the > magnifier_ since that is now stored in .orca/user-settings.py > > Is there some simple way of pushing a change into the configuration of > orca from the command line or an 'orca --magnifier' option? > > I guess we could store a copy of .orca/user-settings.py somewhere on the > Live CD system and copy it in before starting orca, but that's getting a > bit hacky this late in the process. > > Any better ideas? > > Henrik > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From SRS0=WA4c=D7=ubuntu.com=henrik@srs.kundenserver.de Wed Oct 18 14:04:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7F993B00A2 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32265-08 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:04:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56DEA3B0061 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:03:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [81.191.165.41] (helo=[81.191.165.41]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwtQ-1GaFld3qdf-0003O5; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:03:50 +0200 Message-ID: <45366C86.4070203@ubuntu.com> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:03:50 +0200 From: Henrik Nilsen Omma User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060918) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Willie Walker References: <452CC966.7050504@ubuntu.com> <1161193235.17070.119.camel@ubuntu> In-Reply-To: <1161193235.17070.119.camel@ubuntu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:8d5020abe73c4c19784bf38f0f038dcc X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.002, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Jani Monoses , orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Orca Making run the magnifier on the Live CD X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:04:04 -0000 Willie Walker wrote: > Hi Henrik: > > We might be able to make Orca honor the gconf settings for launching the > magnifier. Would you like us to do so? > Hm. Today our Xubuntu lead Jani came up with a solution that edits the /usr/.../settings.py file on boot :) Both solutions are a bit hacky. Your solution has the advantage that it does not touch the default settings, but they can always be overridden and if someone selects magnifier on boot you can assume they'll be using that. The Orca/gconf solution introduces a gconf dependency which you have so far avoided. We might be too late for either solution though, as we are right up against RC now. Henrik From SRS0=WA4c=D7=ubuntu.com=henrik@srs.kundenserver.de Wed Oct 18 14:09:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91FBB3B009B for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:09:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32375-10 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 553C93B0071 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [81.191.165.41] (helo=[81.191.165.41]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu5) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML25U-1GaFrQ0V9a-0007ko; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:09:48 +0200 Message-ID: <45366DEC.2050809@ubuntu.com> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:09:48 +0200 From: Henrik Nilsen Omma User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060918) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <1161190868.8224.10.camel@krister-desktop> <1161191886.17070.101.camel@ubuntu> In-Reply-To: <1161191886.17070.101.camel@ubuntu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:8d5020abe73c4c19784bf38f0f038dcc X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.001, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Orca has trouble finding dialogs X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:09:52 -0000 Willie Walker wrote: > I have no clue what this app is or how to run it. :-( > It's a Bittorrent app: http://bittornado.com Not sure what toolkit that's made with. Certainly not GTK. Henrik From krister@kristersplace.ws Wed Oct 18 14:38:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2E013B00A6 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:38:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01376-08 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mxfep04.bredband.com (mxfep04.bredband.com [195.54.107.79]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 241923B0017 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:38:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ironport.bredband.com ([195.54.107.82] [195.54.107.82]) by mxfep04.bredband.com with ESMTP id <20061018183821.VDUB8360.mxfep04.bredband.com@ironport.bredband.com> for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:38:21 +0200 Received: from c-6af970d5.018-38-6d6c6d2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO [192.168.0.172]) ([213.112.249.106]) by ironport.bredband.com with ESMTP; 18 Oct 2006 20:38:20 +0200 From: Krister Ekstrom To: Willie Walker In-Reply-To: <1161191886.17070.101.camel@ubuntu> References: <1161190868.8224.10.camel@krister-desktop> <1161191886.17070.101.camel@ubuntu> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:38:21 +0200 Message-Id: <1161196701.8224.37.camel@krister-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.369 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.230, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.369 X-Spam-Level: Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Orca has trouble finding dialogs X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: krister@kristersplace.ws List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:38:28 -0000 On Wed, 2006-10-18 at 13:18 -0400, Willie Walker wrote: > > The programs where this is most frequent and where this behaviour is > > reprodusable, at least on my system are: > > BitTornado, latest version, where i can't reach the "save as" dialog. > I have no clue what this app is or how to run it. :-( > That's a bit torrent client. It has a CLI and a GUI front end available in two separate ubuntu packages, bittornado and bittornado-gtk, i think it was called. > > OpenOffice.org agenda wizard, there must be a dialog present because > > there pops up a read-only template and there appears to be form fields > > which you can fill in, and those must be in a dialog that Orca can't > > reach. > > I'd like to check this out. How do you bring up the agenda wizard? > 1. make sure you have the Java runtime and the java access bridge installed. 2. Go to File|Wizards and from there choose "agenda..." There should pop up a dialog box where you can change settings for things as participants in a meeting and so on and so forth, but Orca can't see that dialog, only the template of the agenda. It doesn't matter if you minimize windows that could be in the way. Orca doesn't reach that dialog anyway. > > Mozilla quality feedback agent. > > Are these known problems that you work on or is it bug filing time > > again? > > Bug buddy dialogs like this have posed a problem for us in the past, but > we've worked around them with scripts specific to the app. We might > need to do something for Mozilla. > Ok. > BTW, bugs (one problem per report and use meaningful subject, please) > are always good. We'll close 'em if they aren't for real, and we can > provide information as we make progress on them. > Yes, but i didn't want to abuse the bug filing system if i had only made a stupid mistake on my end, would be kinda unnecessary, don'tcha think?:-) Thanks, -- /Krister From William.Walker@Sun.COM Wed Oct 18 14:57:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 284443B01C3 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:57:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02481-02 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:57:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com (brmea-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 458D53B008F for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:57:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-05.sun.com ([192.18.108.179]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k9IIvmBS026340 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:57:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0J7C00H01HZKY200@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:57:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0J7C000KLI0C8YV4@mail-amer.sun.com>; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:57:48 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:57:46 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <1161196701.8224.37.camel@krister-desktop> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: krister@kristersplace.ws Message-id: <1161197866.17070.169.camel@ubuntu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <1161190868.8224.10.camel@krister-desktop> <1161191886.17070.101.camel@ubuntu> <1161196701.8224.37.camel@krister-desktop> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.588 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.010, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.588 X-Spam-Level: Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Orca has trouble finding dialogs X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:57:51 -0000 Hi Krister: > That's a bit torrent client. It has a CLI and a GUI front end available > in two separate ubuntu packages, bittornado and bittornado-gtk, i think > it was called. Aha - bittornado-gui is the package name on Ubuntu. The thing keeps asking me for a *.torrent file and then pops up a usage dialog and crashes when I press Cancel. I've never really used a bittorrent before, though, so I might be doing something wrong. > > > OpenOffice.org agenda wizard, there must be a dialog present because > > > there pops up a read-only template and there appears to be form fields > > > which you can fill in, and those must be in a dialog that Orca can't > > > reach. > > > > I'd like to check this out. How do you bring up the agenda wizard? > > > 1. make sure you have the Java runtime and the java access bridge > installed. > 2. Go to File|Wizards and from there choose "agenda..." There should pop > up a dialog box where you can change settings for things as participants > in a meeting and so on and so forth, but Orca can't see that dialog, > only the template of the agenda. It doesn't matter if you minimize > windows that could be in the way. Orca doesn't reach that dialog anyway. Hmmm...very interesting. This is probably worth filing as a bug. > Yes, but i didn't want to abuse the bug filing system if i had only made > a stupid mistake on my end, would be kinda unnecessary, don'tcha > think?:-) I definitely appreciate your concern here. The fact that you're showing concern shows that you probably wouldn't be an abuser of the bug system. :-) Thanks! Will From Christian_Gerhardt@t-online.de Wed Oct 18 15:26:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73BF63B0061 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:26:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03711-07 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailout04.sul.t-online.com (mailout04.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.18]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D24DD3B008F for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fwd26.aul.t-online.de by mailout04.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1GaH3l-0006Ku-03; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:26:37 +0200 Received: from continuum (XRiXC0Zbge+gwJnvDWPKgKWAf0MJIdLEA9Qn4pYxbixWZvomfnccE-@[84.143.232.155]) by fwd26.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1GaH3W-1G4mxs0; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:26:22 +0200 Received: from chris by continuum with local (Exim 4.50) id 1GaH3C-0007oO-KA; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:26:02 +0200 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:26:02 +0200 From: Christian Gerhardt To: Petra Ritter Message-ID: <20061018192602.GF24876@continuum> References: <2710214656.20061018193317@access-for-all.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <2710214656.20061018193317@access-for-all.ch> X-ID: XRiXC0Zbge+gwJnvDWPKgKWAf0MJIdLEA9Qn4pYxbixWZvomfnccE- X-TOI-MSGID: f66aea2a-a569-4aa3-8e05-e49f57c0a5fd X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.521 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_GD=0.077, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.521 X-Spam-Level: Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Orca Installing on Debian Sarge X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:26:43 -0000 Hi Petra! * Petra Ritter wrote: > Has somebody on this list managed to install Orca on Sarge /testing > successfully? I suppose this is not the answer you like to hear, but unfortunately I didn't manage to run it. I'll try it with another distro and wait for Debian Etchy. > In the list archive I sow some posting on this topic, however I did > not find a message that says wether the installation was successful > or not at the end. Python still complains while attempting to import at-spi and I didn't have the time to find a solution to that issue. > I have a Sarge/testing system and would like to try install Gnome and Orca > on it. Gnome was not a big challange IIRC. Just apt-get install gnome gdm and perhaps some other packages and that's all. Perhaps you will run into problems while configuring mouse and keyboard. Best regards or just mit freundlichen Grüßen :-) Christian From William.Walker@Sun.COM Wed Oct 18 15:34:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27FBD3B00A1 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:34:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04184-03 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:34:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 804EC3B0077 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:34:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-01.sun.com ([192.18.108.175]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k9IJYPZJ029827 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:34:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0J7C00A01IXD3R00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:34:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0J7C00BNRJPDOYX2@mail-amer.sun.com>; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:34:25 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:34:22 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <20061018192602.GF24876@continuum> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Christian Gerhardt Message-id: <1161200062.11282.10.camel@ubuntu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <2710214656.20061018193317@access-for-all.ch> <20061018192602.GF24876@continuum> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.588 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.010, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.588 X-Spam-Level: Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Orca Installing on Debian Sarge X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:34:30 -0000 > Python still complains while attempting to import at-spi and I didn't have the > time to find a solution to that issue. > > > I have a Sarge/testing system and would like to try install Gnome and Orca > > on it. If the error is related to this line: ORBit.CORBA.ORB_init(orb_id="orbit-io-thread") The problem is most likely that Sarge doesn't have the version of the PyORBit python support needed by Orca. Hope this helps, Will From Christian_Gerhardt@t-online.de Wed Oct 18 15:47:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66BC43B0083 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:47:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04725-04 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:47:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailout11.sul.t-online.com (mailout11.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.85]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEBAB3B008F for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:47:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fwd28.aul.t-online.de by mailout11.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1GaHO9-0007zh-01; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:47:41 +0200 Received: from continuum (ZZxmL6Z6geNFicKBNssMTivb1ccdcEJh7f2RFud1rZTFfpi9GWqrw-@[84.143.232.155]) by fwd28.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1GaHNy-0fmKhs0; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:47:30 +0200 Received: from chris by continuum with local (Exim 4.50) id 1GaHNf-0007pu-8A for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:47:11 +0200 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:47:10 +0200 From: Christian Gerhardt To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20061018194710.GI24876@continuum> References: <2710214656.20061018193317@access-for-all.ch> <20061018192602.GF24876@continuum> <1161200062.11282.10.camel@ubuntu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1161200062.11282.10.camel@ubuntu> X-ID: ZZxmL6Z6geNFicKBNssMTivb1ccdcEJh7f2RFud1rZTFfpi9GWqrw- X-TOI-MSGID: 3e3e19e0-74d8-4b9e-8ad0-95754ce52bf9 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Orca Installing on Debian Sarge X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:47:46 -0000 Hi Willie! * Willie Walker wrote: > If the error is related to this line: > > ORBit.CORBA.ORB_init(orb_id="orbit-io-thread") > > The problem is most likely that Sarge doesn't have the version of the > PyORBit python support needed by Orca. Exactly that's why I tried to build it myself, but I ran into yet further problems. I guess it were dependency issues and I stopped my attempts yesterday after some hours of work. I'll try it again and report whether I got the beast running :-) However thank you for the moment. Regards, Christian From William.Walker@Sun.COM Wed Oct 18 17:25:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7384D3B0083 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:25:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10601-05 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:25:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B91C33B0071 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.108.183]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k9ILP5sF001782 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:25:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0J7C00901OSOYU00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:25:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0J7C0055FOTSB9D9@mail-amer.sun.com>; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:25:05 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:25:02 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <0J6U00FZ5GTK32OE@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: mike coulombe Message-id: <1161206702.11282.18.camel@ubuntu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <0J6U00FZ5GTK32OE@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.588 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.010, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.588 X-Spam-Level: Cc: ubuntu , orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Orca seeing the help system with orca. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:25:08 -0000 Hi Mike: I just played around with this a little bit. Yelp is an odd little application, and I notice that it *is* accessible via orca if you start orca after yelp starts. But, orca doesn't do a good job with it if orca is started before yelp starts. Since the latter is the normal operating mode of a user, we definitely need to fix this. I've logged a bug here: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=363242 Thanks! Will On Sun, 2006-10-08 at 20:15 -0500, mike coulombe wrote: > Sorry about that I hit the wrong key in the subject line before. > Does the help system work with orca. > I press f1 and get some speech. > But I don't get to any topics. > Other times in a ap I do get a listing with numbers, but nothing I try seems to open and read them. > If anyone has done this, I would appreciate the commands to make it work. > Thanks Mike. > X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0640-6, 10/08/2006), Outbound message > X-Antivirus-Status: Clean > > From cerha@brailcom.org Wed Oct 18 17:33:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E111F3B00AA for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:33:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10907-03 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:33:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gate.brailcom.cz (158-84-244-84.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz [84.244.84.158]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1C9A83B0071 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:33:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 27444 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2006 22:57:46 +0200 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.15.2?) (192.168.15.2) by ns.brailcom.xx with SMTP; 18 Oct 2006 22:57:46 +0200 Message-ID: <4536B914.1060402@brailcom.org> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 01:30:28 +0200 From: Tomas Cerha Organization: Brailcom, o.p.s. User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christian Gerhardt , orca-list@gnome.org References: <2710214656.20061018193317@access-for-all.ch> <20061018192602.GF24876@continuum> <1161200062.11282.10.camel@ubuntu> <20061018194710.GI24876@continuum> In-Reply-To: <20061018194710.GI24876@continuum> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.392 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.072, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.392 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Orca Installing on Debian Sarge X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:33:34 -0000 Christian Gerhardt napsal(a): > Exactly that's why I tried to build it myself, but I ran into yet further > problems. I guess it were dependency issues and I stopped my attempts > yesterday after some hours of work. I solved that successfully by downloading the Ubuntu pyorbit package and installing it with 'dpkg -i'. Hope that helps. Best regards, Tomas. From William.Walker@Sun.COM Wed Oct 18 18:32:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B43AC3B0083 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:32:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13794-01 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:32:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB4E13B0071 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:32:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-03.sun.com ([192.18.108.177]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k9IMWtmM000451 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:32:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0J7C00G01RXSLW00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:32:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0J7C00LVHRYUE9Z5@mail-amer.sun.com>; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:32:55 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:32:52 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <1161206702.11282.18.camel@ubuntu> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: mike coulombe Message-id: <1161210772.28891.4.camel@ubuntu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <0J6U00FZ5GTK32OE@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> <1161206702.11282.18.camel@ubuntu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.588 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.010, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.588 X-Spam-Level: Cc: ubuntu , orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Orca seeing the help system with orca. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:32:57 -0000 FYI, I just checked in a fix to handle yelp's sudden personality change: the main cause was that yelp was changing its name and id on us. BTW, to "wake" yelp up until this fix is available, you should be able to Alt+Tab away from the help window and then Alt+Tab back to it. When you do this, Orca should be able to access yelp a little better. Will On Wed, 2006-10-18 at 17:25 -0400, Willie Walker wrote: > Hi Mike: > > I just played around with this a little bit. Yelp is an odd little > application, and I notice that it *is* accessible via orca if you start > orca after yelp starts. But, orca doesn't do a good job with it if orca > is started before yelp starts. Since the latter is the normal operating > mode of a user, we definitely need to fix this. I've logged a bug here: > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=363242 > > Thanks! > > Will > > On Sun, 2006-10-08 at 20:15 -0500, mike coulombe wrote: > > Sorry about that I hit the wrong key in the subject line before. > > Does the help system work with orca. > > I press f1 and get some speech. > > But I don't get to any topics. > > Other times in a ap I do get a listing with numbers, but nothing I try seems to open and read them. > > If anyone has done this, I would appreciate the commands to make it work. > > Thanks Mike. > > X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0640-6, 10/08/2006), Outbound message > > X-Antivirus-Status: Clean > > > > From krister@kristersplace.ws Thu Oct 19 09:54:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C030E3B00BB for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25904-05 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mxfep01.bredband.com (mxfep01.bredband.com [195.54.107.70]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB2833B009A for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:54:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ironport.bredband.com ([195.54.107.82] [195.54.107.82]) by mxfep01.bredband.com with ESMTP id <20061019135449.GEGH953.mxfep01.bredband.com@ironport.bredband.com> for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:54:49 +0200 Received: from c-6af970d5.018-38-6d6c6d2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO [192.168.0.172]) ([213.112.249.106]) by ironport.bredband.com with ESMTP; 19 Oct 2006 15:54:26 +0200 Message-ID: <453783BE.7090405@kristersplace.ws> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:55:10 +0200 From: Krister Ekstrom User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Willie Walker References: <1161190868.8224.10.camel@krister-desktop> <1161191886.17070.101.camel@ubuntu> <1161196701.8224.37.camel@krister-desktop> <1161197866.17070.169.camel@ubuntu> In-Reply-To: <1161197866.17070.169.camel@ubuntu> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.2.0 OpenPGP: id=BBE769C5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.39 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.209, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.39 X-Spam-Level: Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Orca has trouble finding dialogs X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: krister@kristersplace.ws List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:54:56 -0000 Willie Walker wrote: >> That's a bit torrent client. It has a CLI and a GUI front end available >> in two separate ubuntu packages, bittornado and bittornado-gtk, i think >> it was called. > > Aha - bittornado-gui is the package name on Ubuntu. The thing keeps > asking me for a *.torrent file and then pops up a usage dialog and > crashes when I press Cancel. I've never really used a bittorrent > before, though, so I might be doing something wrong. That's also a problem i had, so i went to a web page with a link that pointed me to a bittorrent file and tried to click on it. I got the "Open with" dialog in Firefox and decided to open the file with Bittornado. After hitting the OK button to get out of the dialog, the bittornado client came up, but i couldn't access it and so on, because i had to reach a dialog where it would ask me to save the session somewhere, and that dialog couldn't be accessed. I couldn't reach the dialog. > >>>> OpenOffice.org agenda wizard, there must be a dialog present because >>>> there pops up a read-only template and there appears to be form fields >>>> which you can fill in, and those must be in a dialog that Orca can't >>>> reach. >>> I'd like to check this out. How do you bring up the agenda wizard? >>> >> 1. make sure you have the Java runtime and the java access bridge >> installed. >> 2. Go to File|Wizards and from there choose "agenda..." There should pop >> up a dialog box where you can change settings for things as participants >> in a meeting and so on and so forth, but Orca can't see that dialog, >> only the template of the agenda. It doesn't matter if you minimize >> windows that could be in the way. Orca doesn't reach that dialog anyway. > > Hmmm...very interesting. This is probably worth filing as a bug. > Should i file it against Orca or Openoffice.org? >> Yes, but i didn't want to abuse the bug filing system if i had only made >> a stupid mistake on my end, would be kinda unnecessary, don'tcha >> think?:-) > > I definitely appreciate your concern here. The fact that you're showing > concern shows that you probably wouldn't be an abuser of the bug > system. :-) Yes, that's why i first ask if it's worth filing bugs on the mailing list because if it turns out it was a mistake on my end, i'd feel very embarrased and newbie like if i screamed about it on the bug tracking system.:) -- /Krister From William.Walker@Sun.COM Thu Oct 19 10:07:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F3443B01AB for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:07:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26633-03 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:07:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94CC23B00A7 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:07:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-05.sun.com ([192.18.108.179]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k9JE7I82014965 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 08:07:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0J7D00201YTQ7200@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 08:07:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0J7D000HHZ858D34@mail-amer.sun.com>; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 08:07:18 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:07:16 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <453783BE.7090405@kristersplace.ws> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: krister@kristersplace.ws Message-id: <1161266836.7137.54.camel@ubuntu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <1161190868.8224.10.camel@krister-desktop> <1161191886.17070.101.camel@ubuntu> <1161196701.8224.37.camel@krister-desktop> <1161197866.17070.169.camel@ubuntu> <453783BE.7090405@kristersplace.ws> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.549 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.028, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_BT=0.077, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.549 X-Spam-Level: Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Orca has trouble finding dialogs X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:07:23 -0000 > > Aha - bittornado-gui is the package name on Ubuntu. The thing keeps > > asking me for a *.torrent file and then pops up a usage dialog and > > crashes when I press Cancel. I've never really used a bittorrent > > before, though, so I might be doing something wrong. > That's also a problem i had, so i went to a web page with a link that > pointed me to a bittorrent file and tried to click on it. I got the > "Open with" dialog in Firefox and decided to open the file with > Bittornado. After hitting the OK button to get out of the dialog, the > bittornado client came up, but i couldn't access it and so on, because i > had to reach a dialog where it would ask me to save the session > somewhere, and that dialog couldn't be accessed. I couldn't reach the > dialog. Very odd. I don't know what's going on here. A possibility (though I'm not even 50% sure) is that Python clients like the btdownloadgui app for bittornado might not be properly initializing threads or handling the Python GIL correctly. As a result, when the AT-SPI support is loaded and used, it might be causing a deadlock somewhere. The same thing might be happening with the freeloader client, which is also a Python app. In any case, if I run the btdownloadgui by hand, I notice that it core dumps. Seems like a troubled app. > >>>> OpenOffice.org agenda wizard, there must be a dialog present because > >>>> there pops up a read-only template and there appears to be form fields > >>>> which you can fill in, and those must be in a dialog that Orca can't > >>>> reach. > >>> I'd like to check this out. How do you bring up the agenda wizard? > >>> > >> 1. make sure you have the Java runtime and the java access bridge > >> installed. > >> 2. Go to File|Wizards and from there choose "agenda..." There should pop > >> up a dialog box where you can change settings for things as participants > >> in a meeting and so on and so forth, but Orca can't see that dialog, > >> only the template of the agenda. It doesn't matter if you minimize > >> windows that could be in the way. Orca doesn't reach that dialog anyway. > > > > Hmmm...very interesting. This is probably worth filing as a bug. > > Should i file it against Orca or Openoffice.org? I'd say start with Orca. We can always move it to OOo if we think the problem lies there. Thanks! Will From cdog2005@gmail.com Thu Oct 19 18:04:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAC3F3B02C2 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20312-05 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.178]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC1D93B02AC for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:04:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id d42so855701pyd for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:03:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.193.16 with SMTP id v16mr698246qbp; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:03:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.154.5 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:03:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <500d692d0610191503k11f6a689h303217c569e69e16@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:03:48 -0400 From: "Cody Hurst" To: orca-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.279 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.121, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.279 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Orca accessibility menu item? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:04:22 -0000 Hey all, I was wondering, a few days ago when I upgraded to the latest version of ubuntu edgy, I found that in my main gnome menu that the accessibility menu was sudden not there, I liked this feature so where did it get off to? this is with orca 1.0.0 but have yet to upgrade to 2.17.1, if gcc will cooperate with me. From SRS0=LEjQ=EB=ubuntu.com=henrik@srs.kundenserver.de Fri Oct 20 05:28:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55EA13B008B for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 05:28:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17295-02 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 05:28:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 727C93B0187 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 05:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [81.191.165.41] (helo=[81.191.165.41]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwtQ-1Gaqfr32Yt-0003Ou; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:28:20 +0200 Message-ID: <453896B8.4000203@ubuntu.com> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:28:24 +0200 From: Henrik Nilsen Omma User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060918) MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: orca-list@gnome.org References: <500d692d0610191503k11f6a689h303217c569e69e16@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <500d692d0610191503k11f6a689h303217c569e69e16@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:8d5020abe73c4c19784bf38f0f038dcc X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.001, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Orca accessibility menu item? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 09:28:26 -0000 Hi Cody! We moved the start items from the Accessibility menu (under Applications) to the Accessibility Preferences dialog (System -> Preferences -> ... ). It keeps those items more together and helps keep the Applications menu tidy. Henrik Cody Hurst wrote: > Hey all, > > I was wondering, a few days ago when I upgraded to the latest > version of ubuntu edgy, I found that in my main gnome menu that the > accessibility menu was sudden not there, I liked this feature so where > did it get off to? this is with orca 1.0.0 but have yet to upgrade to > 2.17.1, if gcc will cooperate with me. > From jbsn@aapt.net.au Sat Oct 21 19:30:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FF453B0087 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:30:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30736-02 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:30:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vfep3.mfe.bur.connect.com.au (vfep3.mfe.bur.connect.com.au [210.8.230.163]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B0493B0010 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:30:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vfep3.mfe.bur.connect.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.vfep3.connect.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA0F68028 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 09:30:07 +1000 (EST) Received: from vfep3.mfe.bur.connect.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vfep3.mfe.bur.connect.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4406D80A0 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 09:30:07 +1000 (EST) Received: from fep01.mfe.bur.connect.com.au (fep01.mfe.bur.connect.com.au [203.63.86.21]) by vfep3.mfe.bur.connect.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F1EB8028 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 09:30:07 +1000 (EST) Received: from [203.63.86.21] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.mfep01.connect.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 400F0F826 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 09:30:05 +1000 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (cor4-ppp5876.bri.dsl.connect.net.au [59.100.87.34]) by fep01.mfe.bur.connect.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5C15F837; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 09:30:04 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 09:29:11 +1000 (EST) From: Jan and Bertil Smark Nilsson X-X-Sender: bertil@localhost.localdomain To: Petra Ritter In-Reply-To: <2710214656.20061018193317@access-for-all.ch> Message-ID: References: <2710214656.20061018193317@access-for-all.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-BitDefender-Scanner: Clean, Agent: BitDefender POSTFIX 1.6.0 on vfep3 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Orca Installing on Debian Sarge X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 23:30:11 -0000 Hello petra, On Wed, 18 Oct 2006, Petra Ritter wrote: > Hello, > Has somebody on this list managed to install Orca on Sarge /testing > successfully? > > In the list archive I sow some posting on this topic, however I did > not find a message that says wether the installation was successful > or not at the end. > > I have a Sarge/testing system and would like to try install Gnome and Orca > on it. > I'm running Etch having upgraded from Sarge. it's important that you make sure that you have Gnome 2.14 or higher for Orca to run.. When you configure it, you'll get error messages if not all dependencies are met. You can then go and get them and start again. However, you won't get an error message if you don't have Pyorbit installed. You can run configure, make and make install without any problems, but Orca won't run. So make sure that you've got Pyorbit installed. Regards, Bertil Smark Nilsson From lorenzo@taylor.homelinux.net Mon Oct 23 10:57:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DC823B000D for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:57:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24393-04 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from taylor.homelinux.net (cpe-065-190-200-185.nc.res.rr.com [65.190.200.185]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 039443B000A for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lorenzo by taylor.homelinux.net with local (Exim 4.63.20061010) (envelope-from ) id 1Gc1Ec-0006Dz-Kf for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:57:08 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:57:02 -0400 From: Lorenzo Taylor To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20061023145702.GA10457@taylor.homelinux.net> References: <20061022011913.GA16574@taylor.homelinux.net> <453B3202.7000102@kristersplace.ws> <1161528181l.20252l.0l@taylor.homelinux.net> <1161550785.7133.99.camel@ubuntu> <20061023042118.GA26851@taylor.homelinux.net> <1161608990.7133.149.camel@ubuntu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1161608990.7133.149.camel@ubuntu> X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: lorenzo@taylor.homelinux.net X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:42:28 +0200) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on taylor.homelinux.net) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.339 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.079, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=2.046] X-Spam-Score: -0.339 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Orca Problems with Gaim and X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:57:10 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi. I am having a problem when using Gaim and Orca. My main buddy list window is always silent and the flat review keys don't work. I am also unable to hear anything when using the arrow keys in an attempt to browse the buddy list. The only time Orca says anything in the buddy list window is when I tab off of the actual buddy list to the status box or if I go into a menu. I had posted a similar message on the gnome-accessibility list and found that my problem may be unique to my combination of versions of Gaim/Orca. It seems to work fine in Ubuntu Edgy. I am running the latest GNOME packages from Debian experimental, presumably 2.16 and have tried using Gaim version 1:2.0.0+beta4-2 from Debian unstable with both Orca 2.17.0 and 2.17.1 with the same problem. I only have this problem in the main buddy list window. Every other Gaim window is completely readable. Is anyone else having a similar problem with Gaim? If anyone did have this problem and fixed it, how did you fix it? Thanks for any help, Lorenzo - -- I've always found anomalies to be very relaxing. It's a curse. - --Jadzia Dax: Star Trek Deep Space Nine (The Assignment) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFPNg+G9IpekrhBfIRAtL7AKCV8ECZJxDdVQy+wM5kGFFcDyB4YQCgloOe CvuIhmKT+v6h+eO9iZLcJTI= =xG8P -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From churst35@verizon.net Mon Oct 23 16:34:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95DA63B00A6 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:34:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12246-03 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C8193B0091 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:34:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.65] ([70.110.228.250]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J7L006AKVRR0QD3@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:33:28 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:33:00 -0400 From: Cody Hurst In-reply-to: <20061023145702.GA10457@taylor.homelinux.net> To: Lorenzo Taylor Message-id: <1161635580.20148.5.camel@Ubuntu1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <20061022011913.GA16574@taylor.homelinux.net> <453B3202.7000102@kristersplace.ws> <1161528181l.20252l.0l@taylor.homelinux.net> <1161550785.7133.99.camel@ubuntu> <20061023042118.GA26851@taylor.homelinux.net> <1161608990.7133.149.camel@ubuntu> <20061023145702.GA10457@taylor.homelinux.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.488 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=2.112, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.488 X-Spam-Level: Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Orca Problems with Gaim and X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:34:47 -0000 Hi, One possible issue you're having is that when you tab to the status drop down menu, the menu is being dropped down and its stopping orca from reading anything it has happened to me a few times. If you find this, press escape a few times, then use flat review. I find that when you tab to the status box and press tab again, nopthing happens until you select something from the drop down then press space or enter then tab again to the buddy list. Try running orca version 1.0 or higher with gaim 2.0. I am running the latest updated version of Edgy and I couldn't have seen a better operating system way to go Ubuntu!. CodyOn Mon, 2006-10-23 at 10:57 -0400, Lorenzo Taylor wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi. > > I am having a problem when using Gaim and Orca. My main buddy list > window is always silent and the flat review keys don't work. I am also > unable to hear anything when using the arrow keys in an attempt to > browse the buddy list. The only time Orca says anything in the buddy > list window is when I tab off of the actual buddy list to the status > box or if I go into a menu. I had posted a similar message on the > gnome-accessibility list and found that my problem may be unique to my > combination of versions of Gaim/Orca. It seems to work fine in Ubuntu > Edgy. I am running the latest GNOME packages from Debian experimental, > presumably 2.16 and have tried using Gaim version 1:2.0.0+beta4-2 from > Debian unstable with both Orca 2.17.0 and 2.17.1 with the same problem. > I only have this problem in the main buddy list window. Every other > Gaim window is completely readable. > > Is anyone else having a similar problem with Gaim? If anyone did have > this problem and fixed it, how did you fix it? > > Thanks for any help, > Lorenzo > - -- > I've always found anomalies to be very relaxing. It's a curse. > - --Jadzia Dax: Star Trek Deep Space Nine (The Assignment) > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFFPNg+G9IpekrhBfIRAtL7AKCV8ECZJxDdVQy+wM5kGFFcDyB4YQCgloOe > CvuIhmKT+v6h+eO9iZLcJTI= > =xG8P > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From lorenzo@taylor.homelinux.net Mon Oct 23 17:02:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15A273B00BB for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:02:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13906-01 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:02:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from taylor.homelinux.net (cpe-065-190-200-185.nc.res.rr.com [65.190.200.185]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 041113B020B for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:02:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=taylor.homelinux.net ident=dax) by taylor.homelinux.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63.20061010) (envelope-from ) id 1Gc6vg-0007ju-Nh; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:02:03 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:01:52 -0400 From: Lorenzo Taylor To: Cody Hurst References: <20061022011913.GA16574@taylor.homelinux.net> <453B3202.7000102@kristersplace.ws> <1161528181l.20252l.0l@taylor.homelinux.net> <1161550785.7133.99.camel@ubuntu> <20061023042118.GA26851@taylor.homelinux.net> <1161608990.7133.149.camel@ubuntu> <20061023145702.GA10457@taylor.homelinux.net> <1161635580.20148.5.camel@Ubuntu1> In-Reply-To: <1161635580.20148.5.camel@Ubuntu1> (from churst35@verizon.net on Mon Oct 23 16:33:00 2006) X-Mailer: Balsa 2.3.13 Message-Id: <1161637312l.24763l.0l@taylor.homelinux.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; DelSp=Yes; Format=Flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: lorenzo@taylor.homelinux.net X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:42:28 +0200) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on taylor.homelinux.net) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.34 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.078, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=2.046] X-Spam-Score: -0.34 X-Spam-Level: Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Orca Problems with Gaim and X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:02:05 -0000 Hi. I have experienced the status menu issue. Thanks for that help. =20 Unfortunately this doesn't seem to be what's causing the arrow keys not to = =20 work properly. Should I try Orca 1.0? I am running 2.17.0 now and have tr= ied =20 with 2.17.1 and both have this problem. Thanks, Lorenzo --=20 I've always found anomalies to be very relaxing. It's a curse. --Jadzia Dax: Star Trek Deep Space Nine (The Assignment) From lists@paultraynor.com Tue Oct 24 05:31:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 553393B0142 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 05:31:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14988-07 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 05:31:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.webhost.ie (mail.webhost.ie [83.138.8.74]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7920A3B00B1 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 05:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from traynor2 ([83.70.51.98]) by mail.webhost.ie (Merak 8.3.8) with ASMTP id CTD01516 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:31:16 +0100 From: "Lists" To: "'Orca screen reader developers'" Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:31:17 +0100 Message-ID: <003b01c6f74f$28473470$0101a8c0@traynor2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Thread-Index: Acb3TyfGuU1Pmjk5QTuGlztUxMETWQ== X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.278 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.279, BAYES_50=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.278 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Orca Locating and installing IBM Via voice text to speech for use with ! X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:31:20 -0000 Hi All, I would like to first find out where I can purchase and download the IBM via voice text to speech engine so I can then use it with Orca. I would also like to know how I can then set up Orca to work with the IBM engine using the latest version of Ubuntu. Many thanks for any help with this. Paul. From Michael.Pedersen@Sun.COM Tue Oct 24 10:24:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E64E63B007E for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:24:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30801-08 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:24:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nwk-ea-fw-1.sun.com (nwk-ea-fw-1.sun.com [192.18.42.249]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75BCB3B0229 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:24:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from d1-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.39.119]) by nwk-ea-fw-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k9OEOPAF003174 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 07:24:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.d1-sfbay-09.sun.com by d1-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0J7N001019ADB600@d1-sfbay-09.sun.com> (original mail from Michael.Pedersen@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 07:24:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (c-71-202-47-37.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [71.202.47.37]) by d1-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0J7N005QI9CP3320@d1-sfbay-09.sun.com>; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 07:24:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 07:24:42 -0700 From: Mike Pedersen In-reply-to: <003b01c6f74f$28473470$0101a8c0@traynor2> Sender: Michael.Pedersen@Sun.COM To: Lists Message-id: <453E222A.2010400@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <003b01c6f74f$28473470$0101a8c0@traynor2> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.589 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.009, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.589 X-Spam-Level: Cc: 'Orca screen reader developers' Subject: Re: Orca Locating and installing IBM Via voice text to speech for use with ! X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:24:44 -0000 Hello Paul, > I would also > like to know how I can then set up Orca to work with the IBM engine using > the latest version of Ubuntu. > > Viavoice does not work with ubuntu. It requires libraries that are not available on ubuntu. Several people have tried to work around this with out any success. You might try Dectalk. Hope this helps. Mike From kenny@hittsjunk.net Tue Oct 24 10:35:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD4D13B012E for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31502-08 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:35:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bee.hiwaay.net (bee.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.11]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A46BF3B0091 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:35:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blackbox.hittsjunk.net ([216.180.48.17]) by bee.hiwaay.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9OEZknB1370670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:35:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from kenny by blackbox.hittsjunk.net with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GcNNV-0001pr-9d for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:35:46 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:35:41 -0500 To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20061024143541.GA7043@blackbox.hittsjunk.net> References: <003b01c6f74f$28473470$0101a8c0@traynor2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <003b01c6f74f$28473470$0101a8c0@traynor2> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) From: Kenny Hitt X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: kenny@hittsjunk.net X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:42:28 +0200) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on blackbox.hittsjunk.net) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.592 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.007, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.592 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Orca Locating and installing IBM Via voice text to speech for use with ! X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:35:59 -0000 Hi. Viavoice requires outdated libs that aren't in Ubuntu. The company who sells Viavoice were made aware of this before they started selling it, but they didn't want to do anything about it. Kenny On Tue, Oct 24, 2006 at 10:31:17AM +0100, Lists wrote: > > Hi All, > > I would like to first find out where I can purchase and download the IBM > via voice text to speech engine so I can then use it with Orca. I would also > like to know how I can then set up Orca to work with the IBM engine using > the latest version of Ubuntu. > > Many thanks for any help with this. > > Paul. > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From j-diggs@comcast.net Tue Oct 24 13:21:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8D4E3B0396 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:21:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11647-03 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [216.148.227.151]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ECA53B0291 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.35.101] (c-24-147-88-22.hsd1.nh.comcast.net[24.147.88.22]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20061024172128m1100rrij7e>; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 17:21:29 +0000 From: Joanmarie Diggs To: Orca screen reader developers Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:21:27 -0400 Message-Id: <1161710487.17005.3.camel@gumby> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.53 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.026, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447] X-Spam-Score: 0.53 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Orca Thoughts on whereAmI: Quantity of Information X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 17:21:32 -0000 For those of you who don't hang out on Bugzilla like I do, there has been some reason discussion and questions about whereAmI (i.e. what you get when you press KeyPad Enter) and the implementation of a reverse whereAmI (so that you can hear where you are without having to listen to things like the name of the frame you are in). I started commenting on the relevant RFEs with my thoughts, but I'm merely one individual. So I decided instead to move things here in the hopes of having a broader discussion on the subject. In the interest of brevity, I'll keep this message to the existing whereAmI functionality, and to just one aspect of it: the quantity of information that is being spoken which, personally, I think is at times a bit too much. Example1: I sit down to my computer and don't know where I left off. Turns out I'm in OpenOffice.org writer in a document called Untitled1 on a line which reads "this is a test." When I press KeyPad Enter, I would like Orca to reorient me by saying something like: "Untiled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer Text This is a test." What I get is: "soffice.bin application Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer frame Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer root pane paragraph This is a test. No focus" Do we really need and/or want to hear the application name and the full hierarchy along with rolenames? I, for one, would not. I also think all of this information might be rather confusing for the new user. Example2: Still sitting down, still don't know where I left off, still in OOo Writer. But this time it just so happens that I am in the File menu, the Wizards submenu, and am currently on Euro Converter. What I'd like to hear: "Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer Euro Converter... Item 7 of 9 E" What I get is: "soffice.bin application Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer frame Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer root pane menu bar File menu Wizards menu Item 7 of 9 Euro Converter shortcut Alt fwe" Let's ignore everything that is already addressed in Example 1 above. That leaves "File menu Wizards menu Item 7 of 9 Euro Converter shortcut Alt fwe" I suppose I can see some value in knowing that Euro Converter is contained within Wizards which is contained with File and that File lives on the menu bar. But if I'm disoriented, my number one concern is to figure out what I'm currently sitting on. How on earth I got there to begin with is something I can worry about later. If I know the name of the window I'm in, that I'm on a menu item, and what that item's name happens to be, that is often all I need. With that information, I'm in a position to choose an item in my current menu or work my way back out to Wizards and then to File. (And in doing so answer the question of "How did I get here?") Thus the additional information (full path to the current menu item along with all the shortcuts I need) is unnecessary -- and, again for the new user, it may be potentially confusing. I'm curious as to what others think. Thanks in advance!! Joanie From j-diggs@comcast.net Tue Oct 24 14:47:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7670B3B0005 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:47:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17888-07 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:47:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alnrmhc12.comcast.net (alnrmhc12.comcast.net [206.18.177.52]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC1A73B00B8 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.35.101] (c-24-147-88-22.hsd1.nh.comcast.net[24.147.88.22]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc12) with SMTP id <20061024184722b1200et022e>; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:47:23 +0000 From: Joanmarie Diggs To: Orca screen reader developers Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:46:28 -0400 Message-Id: <1161715589.17005.20.camel@gumby> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.53 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.026, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447] X-Spam-Score: 0.53 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Orca [Fwd: Re: Thoughts on whereAmI: Quantity of Information] X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:47:28 -0000 Hi Sergei, all. Sergei: Thanks so much for chiming in! As you may or may not be aware, when you reply to a message on the Orca list, the response goes only to the original sender. (I cannot tell you how many times I've done that!) Therefore I'm forwarding your thoughts to the group for comment, and further discussion. Take care. Joanie -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Sergei V.Fleytin To: Joanmarie Diggs Subject: Re: Orca Thoughts on whereAmI: Quantity of Information Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:32:35 +0400 Hello, John and others. John, I agree with your point concerning the verbosity of WhereAmI' function, but I think that in certain situation user would need a more verbose output than the default one (if your suggestions will be accepted). So I think that we need two commands providing the same functionality but with different level of verbosity. For instance, if we press kp-enter once, we would hear just a short description of where we are. but if we press that same key twice, we would get a more technical description about the current window. With best regards, Sergei. >>>>> "JD" == Joanmarie Diggs writes: JD> For those of you who don't hang out on Bugzilla like I do, there JD> has been some reason discussion and questions about whereAmI JD> (i.e. what you get when you press KeyPad Enter) and the JD> implementation of a reverse whereAmI (so that you can hear where JD> you are without having to listen to things like the name of the JD> frame you are in). I started commenting on the relevant RFEs with JD> my thoughts, but I'm merely one individual. So I decided instead JD> to move things here in the hopes of having a broader discussion on JD> the subject. JD> In the interest of brevity, I'll keep this message to the existing JD> whereAmI functionality, and to just one aspect of it: the quantity JD> of information that is being spoken which, personally, I think is JD> at times a bit too much. JD> Example1: I sit down to my computer and don't know where I left JD> off. Turns out I'm in OpenOffice.org writer in a document called JD> Untitled1 on a line which reads "this is a test." When I press JD> KeyPad Enter, I would like Orca to reorient me by saying something JD> like: JD> "Untiled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer Text JD> This is a test." JD> What I get is: JD> "soffice.bin application Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer frame JD> Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer root pane paragraph This is a JD> test. No focus" JD> Do we really need and/or want to hear the application name and the JD> full hierarchy along with rolenames? I, for one, would not. I JD> also think all of this information might be rather confusing for JD> the new user. JD> Example2: Still sitting down, still don't know where I left off, JD> still in OOo Writer. But this time it just so happens that I am JD> in the File menu, the Wizards submenu, and am currently on Euro JD> Converter. JD> What I'd like to hear: JD> "Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer Euro Converter... JD> Item 7 of 9 E" JD> What I get is: JD> "soffice.bin application Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer frame JD> Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer root pane menu bar File menu JD> Wizards menu Item 7 of 9 Euro Converter shortcut Alt fwe" JD> Let's ignore everything that is already addressed in Example 1 JD> above. That leaves "File menu Wizards menu Item 7 of 9 Euro JD> Converter shortcut Alt fwe" JD> I suppose I can see some value in knowing that Euro Converter is JD> contained within Wizards which is contained with File and that JD> File lives on the menu bar. But if I'm disoriented, my number one JD> concern is to figure out what I'm currently sitting on. How on JD> earth I got there to begin with is something I can worry about JD> later. JD> If I know the name of the window I'm in, that I'm on a menu item, JD> and what that item's name happens to be, that is often all I need. JD> With that information, I'm in a position to choose an item in my JD> current menu or work my way back out to Wizards and then to File. JD> (And in doing so answer the question of "How did I get here?") JD> Thus the additional information (full path to the current menu JD> item along with all the shortcuts I need) is unnecessary -- and, JD> again for the new user, it may be potentially confusing. JD> I'm curious as to what others think. JD> Thanks in advance!! Joanie JD> _______________________________________________ Orca-list mailing JD> list Orca-list@gnome.org JD> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From krister@kristersplace.ws Tue Oct 24 16:36:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDF383B000A for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25202-10 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:36:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mxfep02.bredband.com (mxfep02.bredband.com [195.54.107.73]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B117C3B0004 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ironport.bredband.com ([195.54.107.82] [195.54.107.82]) by mxfep02.bredband.com with ESMTP id <20061024203627.VUO2091.mxfep02.bredband.com@ironport.bredband.com> for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:36:27 +0200 Received: from c-6af970d5.018-38-6d6c6d2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO [192.168.0.172]) ([213.112.249.106]) by ironport.bredband.com with ESMTP; 24 Oct 2006 22:36:27 +0200 From: Krister Ekstrom To: orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1161710487.17005.3.camel@gumby> References: <1161710487.17005.3.camel@gumby> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:36:26 +0200 Message-Id: <1161722186.15826.4.camel@krister-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.407 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.192, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.407 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Orca Thoughts on whereAmI: Quantity of Information X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: krister@kristersplace.ws List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:36:34 -0000 Hey there. I agree with Sergey on how the keypad enter could be set up so that one press of the key would give a brief info on where i am and two presses would give a more technical description on where i am. However, i wonder if the menu items speaking should be there. What i mean is that i would like an option in the prefs dialog speech page where you could decide if you want to hear menu item count and if so if you want to hear it every time you move to a new item or only once for a menu. That's my 2 cents. /Krister On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 13:21 -0400, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > For those of you who don't hang out on Bugzilla like I do, there has > been some reason discussion and questions about whereAmI (i.e. what you > get when you press KeyPad Enter) and the implementation of a reverse > whereAmI (so that you can hear where you are without having to listen to > things like the name of the frame you are in). I started commenting on > the relevant RFEs with my thoughts, but I'm merely one individual. So I > decided instead to move things here in the hopes of having a broader > discussion on the subject. > > In the interest of brevity, I'll keep this message to the existing > whereAmI functionality, and to just one aspect of it: the quantity of > information that is being spoken which, personally, I think is at times > a bit too much. > > Example1: I sit down to my computer and don't know where I left off. > Turns out I'm in OpenOffice.org writer in a document called Untitled1 on > a line which reads "this is a test." When I press KeyPad Enter, I would > like Orca to reorient me by saying something like: > > "Untiled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer Text This > is a test." > > What I get is: > > "soffice.bin application Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer frame > Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer root pane paragraph This is a test. No > focus" > > Do we really need and/or want to hear the application name and the full > hierarchy along with rolenames? I, for one, would not. I also think > all of this information might be rather confusing for the new user. > > Example2: Still sitting down, still don't know where I left off, still > in OOo Writer. But this time it just so happens that I am in the File > menu, the Wizards submenu, and am currently on Euro Converter. > > What I'd like to hear: > > "Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer Euro Converter... > Item 7 of 9 E" > > What I get is: > > "soffice.bin application Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer frame > Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer root pane menu bar File menu Wizards > menu Item 7 of 9 Euro Converter shortcut Alt fwe" > > Let's ignore everything that is already addressed in Example 1 above. > That leaves "File menu Wizards menu Item 7 of 9 Euro Converter shortcut > Alt fwe" > > I suppose I can see some value in knowing that Euro Converter is > contained within Wizards which is contained with File and that File > lives on the menu bar. But if I'm disoriented, my number one concern is > to figure out what I'm currently sitting on. How on earth I got there > to begin with is something I can worry about later. > > If I know the name of the window I'm in, that I'm on a menu item, and > what that item's name happens to be, that is often all I need. With > that information, I'm in a position to choose an item in my current menu > or work my way back out to Wizards and then to File. (And in doing so > answer the question of "How did I get here?") Thus the additional > information (full path to the current menu item along with all the > shortcuts I need) is unnecessary -- and, again for the new user, it may > be potentially confusing. > > I'm curious as to what others think. > > Thanks in advance!! > Joanie > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From churst35@verizon.net Tue Oct 24 16:48:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B25933B0009 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:48:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26108-04 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:48:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8B5B3B002C for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:48:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.65] ([70.110.228.250]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J7N00MS9R4SZPZA@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:48:29 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:47:55 -0400 From: Cody Hurst In-reply-to: <1161722186.15826.4.camel@krister-desktop> To: krister@kristersplace.ws Message-id: <1161722875.20148.10.camel@Ubuntu1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <1161710487.17005.3.camel@gumby> <1161722186.15826.4.camel@krister-desktop> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.59 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.102, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.59 X-Spam-Level: Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Orca Thoughts on whereAmI: Quantity of Information X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:48:33 -0000 Hi Speaking of menus, I added this comment a while ago and don't know if it was thought about but if your going through a menu and there is a sub menu, orca should say something like "sub-menu" instead of "menu" the person won't tell the difference in the main menu and any branching menus and they could hit the right arrow and go to a totally different menu and then recycle through the menus to find where they are. Ugh, its a really confusing way I explained it but hopefully someone will understand me Cody On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 22:36 +0200, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > Hey there. > I agree with Sergey on how the keypad enter could be set up so that one > press of the key would give a brief info on where i am and two presses > would give a more technical description on where i am. However, i wonder > if the menu items speaking should be there. What i mean is that i would > like an option in the prefs dialog speech page where you could decide if > you want to hear menu item count and if so if you want to hear it every > time you move to a new item or only once for a menu. > That's my 2 cents. > /Krister > On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 13:21 -0400, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > > For those of you who don't hang out on Bugzilla like I do, there has > > been some reason discussion and questions about whereAmI (i.e. what you > > get when you press KeyPad Enter) and the implementation of a reverse > > whereAmI (so that you can hear where you are without having to listen to > > things like the name of the frame you are in). I started commenting on > > the relevant RFEs with my thoughts, but I'm merely one individual. So I > > decided instead to move things here in the hopes of having a broader > > discussion on the subject. > > > > In the interest of brevity, I'll keep this message to the existing > > whereAmI functionality, and to just one aspect of it: the quantity of > > information that is being spoken which, personally, I think is at times > > a bit too much. > > > > Example1: I sit down to my computer and don't know where I left off. > > Turns out I'm in OpenOffice.org writer in a document called Untitled1 on > > a line which reads "this is a test." When I press KeyPad Enter, I would > > like Orca to reorient me by saying something like: > > > > "Untiled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer Text This > > is a test." > > > > What I get is: > > > > "soffice.bin application Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer frame > > Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer root pane paragraph This is a test. No > > focus" > > > > Do we really need and/or want to hear the application name and the full > > hierarchy along with rolenames? I, for one, would not. I also think > > all of this information might be rather confusing for the new user. > > > > Example2: Still sitting down, still don't know where I left off, still > > in OOo Writer. But this time it just so happens that I am in the File > > menu, the Wizards submenu, and am currently on Euro Converter. > > > > What I'd like to hear: > > > > "Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer Euro Converter... > > Item 7 of 9 E" > > > > What I get is: > > > > "soffice.bin application Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer frame > > Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer root pane menu bar File menu Wizards > > menu Item 7 of 9 Euro Converter shortcut Alt fwe" > > > > Let's ignore everything that is already addressed in Example 1 above. > > That leaves "File menu Wizards menu Item 7 of 9 Euro Converter shortcut > > Alt fwe" > > > > I suppose I can see some value in knowing that Euro Converter is > > contained within Wizards which is contained with File and that File > > lives on the menu bar. But if I'm disoriented, my number one concern is > > to figure out what I'm currently sitting on. How on earth I got there > > to begin with is something I can worry about later. > > > > If I know the name of the window I'm in, that I'm on a menu item, and > > what that item's name happens to be, that is often all I need. With > > that information, I'm in a position to choose an item in my current menu > > or work my way back out to Wizards and then to File. (And in doing so > > answer the question of "How did I get here?") Thus the additional > > information (full path to the current menu item along with all the > > shortcuts I need) is unnecessary -- and, again for the new user, it may > > be potentially confusing. > > > > I'm curious as to what others think. > > > > Thanks in advance!! > > Joanie > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From softy.lofty.ilp@btinternet.com Tue Oct 24 16:51:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E6653B002C for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:51:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26072-09 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp809.mail.ird.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.188.69]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 06F243B0073 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:51:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 90540 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2006 20:51:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ian377atd05thb) (softy.lofty.ilp@btinternet.com@217.43.129.12 with login) by smtp809.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2006 20:51:13 -0000 From: "Ian Pascoe" To: Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:51:13 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Orca FW: Thoughts on whereAmI: Quantity of Information X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:51:20 -0000 Hi Joanie Although new to Orca I have had plenty of experience in the Windows environment and agree with the sentiments you have described. I don't just think it would confuse the novice user, but also aggrivate the experienced one too. Perhaps within the Orca preferences an option to alter the amount of verbosity, or route description to where you are and what you are doing. My only other point, and this I have no experience of within Ubuntu at the moment, is that when you come out of a screen saver or log back into a timed out session it automatically provides you with details of the application that has focus together with an Orca system annoucement. So using your examples of Open Office obvious I know if it says it but if it doesn't you know that Orca isn't working or something has gone wrong My works PC runs ZoomText and the lack of this startup announcement is quite annoying as to find out the application I am in I have to leave it and return back to it using the Alt + Tab to move in and out (there might be a proper keyboard shortcut for this but I'm a bit lazy!). If Orca does this already then please ignore the above couple of paragraphs and accept my apologies - as I said I am still coming to grips with Linux and Orca. Ian -----Original Message----- From: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org]On Behalf Of Joanmarie Diggs Sent: 24 October 2006 18:21 To: Orca screen reader developers Subject: Orca Thoughts on whereAmI: Quantity of Information For those of you who don't hang out on Bugzilla like I do, there has been some reason discussion and questions about whereAmI (i.e. what you get when you press KeyPad Enter) and the implementation of a reverse whereAmI (so that you can hear where you are without having to listen to things like the name of the frame you are in). I started commenting on the relevant RFEs with my thoughts, but I'm merely one individual. So I decided instead to move things here in the hopes of having a broader discussion on the subject. In the interest of brevity, I'll keep this message to the existing whereAmI functionality, and to just one aspect of it: the quantity of information that is being spoken which, personally, I think is at times a bit too much. Example1: I sit down to my computer and don't know where I left off. Turns out I'm in OpenOffice.org writer in a document called Untitled1 on a line which reads "this is a test." When I press KeyPad Enter, I would like Orca to reorient me by saying something like: "Untiled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer Text This is a test." What I get is: "soffice.bin application Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer frame Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer root pane paragraph This is a test. No focus" Do we really need and/or want to hear the application name and the full hierarchy along with rolenames? I, for one, would not. I also think all of this information might be rather confusing for the new user. Example2: Still sitting down, still don't know where I left off, still in OOo Writer. But this time it just so happens that I am in the File menu, the Wizards submenu, and am currently on Euro Converter. What I'd like to hear: "Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer Euro Converter... Item 7 of 9 E" What I get is: "soffice.bin application Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer frame Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer root pane menu bar File menu Wizards menu Item 7 of 9 Euro Converter shortcut Alt fwe" Let's ignore everything that is already addressed in Example 1 above. That leaves "File menu Wizards menu Item 7 of 9 Euro Converter shortcut Alt fwe" I suppose I can see some value in knowing that Euro Converter is contained within Wizards which is contained with File and that File lives on the menu bar. But if I'm disoriented, my number one concern is to figure out what I'm currently sitting on. How on earth I got there to begin with is something I can worry about later. If I know the name of the window I'm in, that I'm on a menu item, and what that item's name happens to be, that is often all I need. With that information, I'm in a position to choose an item in my current menu or work my way back out to Wizards and then to File. (And in doing so answer the question of "How did I get here?") Thus the additional information (full path to the current menu item along with all the shortcuts I need) is unnecessary -- and, again for the new user, it may be potentially confusing. I'm curious as to what others think. Thanks in advance!! Joanie _______________________________________________ Orca-list mailing list Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From softy.lofty.ilp@btinternet.com Tue Oct 24 16:56:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEA213B0214 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:56:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26570-04 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp809.mail.ird.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.188.69]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3C0133B002C for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:56:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 92799 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2006 20:56:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ian377atd05thb) (softy.lofty.ilp@btinternet.com@217.43.129.12 with login) by smtp809.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2006 20:56:32 -0000 From: "Ian Pascoe" To: Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:56:32 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Orca FW: [Fwd: Re: Thoughts on whereAmI: Quantity of Information] X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:56:38 -0000 Nice idea, instead of a double key press why not work on the amount of time the key is held? So that depending on the verbosity setting, a quick press gives you the response as per your setting, whilst the longer press gives the opposite, if you follow my drift. Ian -----Original Message----- From: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org]On Behalf Of Joanmarie Diggs Sent: 24 October 2006 19:46 To: Orca screen reader developers Subject: Orca [Fwd: Re: Thoughts on whereAmI: Quantity of Information] Hi Sergei, all. Sergei: Thanks so much for chiming in! As you may or may not be aware, when you reply to a message on the Orca list, the response goes only to the original sender. (I cannot tell you how many times I've done that!) Therefore I'm forwarding your thoughts to the group for comment, and further discussion. Take care. Joanie -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Sergei V.Fleytin To: Joanmarie Diggs Subject: Re: Orca Thoughts on whereAmI: Quantity of Information Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:32:35 +0400 Hello, John and others. John, I agree with your point concerning the verbosity of WhereAmI' function, but I think that in certain situation user would need a more verbose output than the default one (if your suggestions will be accepted). So I think that we need two commands providing the same functionality but with different level of verbosity. For instance, if we press kp-enter once, we would hear just a short description of where we are. but if we press that same key twice, we would get a more technical description about the current window. With best regards, Sergei. >>>>> "JD" == Joanmarie Diggs writes: JD> For those of you who don't hang out on Bugzilla like I do, there JD> has been some reason discussion and questions about whereAmI JD> (i.e. what you get when you press KeyPad Enter) and the JD> implementation of a reverse whereAmI (so that you can hear where JD> you are without having to listen to things like the name of the JD> frame you are in). I started commenting on the relevant RFEs with JD> my thoughts, but I'm merely one individual. So I decided instead JD> to move things here in the hopes of having a broader discussion on JD> the subject. JD> In the interest of brevity, I'll keep this message to the existing JD> whereAmI functionality, and to just one aspect of it: the quantity JD> of information that is being spoken which, personally, I think is JD> at times a bit too much. JD> Example1: I sit down to my computer and don't know where I left JD> off. Turns out I'm in OpenOffice.org writer in a document called JD> Untitled1 on a line which reads "this is a test." When I press JD> KeyPad Enter, I would like Orca to reorient me by saying something JD> like: JD> "Untiled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer Text JD> This is a test." JD> What I get is: JD> "soffice.bin application Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer frame JD> Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer root pane paragraph This is a JD> test. No focus" JD> Do we really need and/or want to hear the application name and the JD> full hierarchy along with rolenames? I, for one, would not. I JD> also think all of this information might be rather confusing for JD> the new user. JD> Example2: Still sitting down, still don't know where I left off, JD> still in OOo Writer. But this time it just so happens that I am JD> in the File menu, the Wizards submenu, and am currently on Euro JD> Converter. JD> What I'd like to hear: JD> "Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer Euro Converter... JD> Item 7 of 9 E" JD> What I get is: JD> "soffice.bin application Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer frame JD> Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer root pane menu bar File menu JD> Wizards menu Item 7 of 9 Euro Converter shortcut Alt fwe" JD> Let's ignore everything that is already addressed in Example 1 JD> above. That leaves "File menu Wizards menu Item 7 of 9 Euro JD> Converter shortcut Alt fwe" JD> I suppose I can see some value in knowing that Euro Converter is JD> contained within Wizards which is contained with File and that JD> File lives on the menu bar. But if I'm disoriented, my number one JD> concern is to figure out what I'm currently sitting on. How on JD> earth I got there to begin with is something I can worry about JD> later. JD> If I know the name of the window I'm in, that I'm on a menu item, JD> and what that item's name happens to be, that is often all I need. JD> With that information, I'm in a position to choose an item in my JD> current menu or work my way back out to Wizards and then to File. JD> (And in doing so answer the question of "How did I get here?") JD> Thus the additional information (full path to the current menu JD> item along with all the shortcuts I need) is unnecessary -- and, JD> again for the new user, it may be potentially confusing. JD> I'm curious as to what others think. JD> Thanks in advance!! Joanie JD> _______________________________________________ Orca-list mailing JD> list Orca-list@gnome.org JD> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list _______________________________________________ Orca-list mailing list Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From j-diggs@comcast.net Tue Oct 24 18:32:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E9C13B002C for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:32:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32560-02 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alnrmhc14.comcast.net (alnrmhc14.comcast.net [206.18.177.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACAB43B0014 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.35.101] (failure[24.147.88.22]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc14) with SMTP id <20061024223224b1400jgt00e>; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:32:24 +0000 From: Joanmarie Diggs To: Orca screen reader developers In-Reply-To: <1161715589.17005.20.camel@gumby> References: <1161715589.17005.20.camel@gumby> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:32:03 -0400 Message-Id: <1161729123.3604.6.camel@gumby> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.556 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447] X-Spam-Score: 0.556 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Orca Thoughts on whereAmI: Quantity of Information X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:32:27 -0000 Hi folks. > accepted). So I think that we need two commands providing the same > functionality but with different level of verbosity. For instance, if > we press kp-enter once, we would hear just a short description of > where we are. but if we press that same key twice, we would get a more > technical description about the current window. Sergei, I see your point, and I do like the idea of the double-keypress. That, to me, makes a lot of sense. It seems to make sense to others too from the responses thus far. Assuming this were to be implemented, I guess the next question is specifically what information should get spoken for each press of KP_Enter. I've already hinted at the sorts of things I think should be included in what we're now considering as the first keypress. I'd like to hear what you all think. As for the second keypress, maybe that winds up being all the information Orca currently provides when you press KP_Enter?? I'm fine with that, personally. However, I would then like to make a slight suggestion for consideration: Currently Orca seems to provide that bulk of the whereAmI information as a single utterance without pausing. I think a tiny pause in between items in the hierarchy would be helpful. Something like: soffice.bin application Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer frame Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer root pane menu bar File menu Wizards menu Item 7 of 9 Euro Converter shortcut Alt f w e And by "slight pause," I'm thinking about the same amount of time Orca pauses at a line break when you use KP Plus to read a document: Just enough to help you separate out the information in your mind. What do y'all think? Joanie From j-diggs@comcast.net Tue Oct 24 18:42:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B406B3B0013 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00624-08 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:42:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alnrmhc13.comcast.net (alnrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.225.93]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D9583B0005 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:42:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.35.101] (failure[24.147.88.22]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc13) with SMTP id <20061024224248b1300l744ve>; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:42:49 +0000 From: Joanmarie Diggs To: krister@kristersplace.ws In-Reply-To: <1161722186.15826.4.camel@krister-desktop> References: <1161710487.17005.3.camel@gumby> <1161722186.15826.4.camel@krister-desktop> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:42:17 -0400 Message-Id: <1161729738.3604.16.camel@gumby> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.556 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447] X-Spam-Score: 0.556 X-Spam-Level: Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Orca Thoughts on whereAmI: Quantity of Information X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:42:52 -0000 Hi Krister, all. > if the menu items speaking should be there. What i mean is that i would > like an option in the prefs dialog speech page where you could decide if > you want to hear menu item count and if so if you want to hear it every > time you move to a new item or only once for a menu. I think this is a good idea. Some people are going to want to hear the item count automatically; some won't. But I think it's also worth keeping this information in the whereAmI output (my vote is for key press 1 ). That way, people who have opted not to hear it, can quickly obtain it. Take care. Joanie From j-diggs@comcast.net Tue Oct 24 19:01:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B5F43B0014 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 19:01:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01716-04 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 19:01:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alnrmhc14.comcast.net (alnrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.225.94]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D31573B0009 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 19:01:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.35.101] (c-24-147-88-22.hsd1.nh.comcast.net[24.147.88.22]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc14) with SMTP id <20061024230121b1400ja5lhe>; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 23:01:21 +0000 From: Joanmarie Diggs To: Cody Hurst In-Reply-To: <1161722875.20148.10.camel@Ubuntu1> References: <1161710487.17005.3.camel@gumby> <1161722186.15826.4.camel@krister-desktop> <1161722875.20148.10.camel@Ubuntu1> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 19:01:15 -0400 Message-Id: <1161730876.3604.33.camel@gumby> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.53 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.026, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447] X-Spam-Score: 0.53 X-Spam-Level: Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Orca Thoughts on whereAmI: Quantity of Information X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 23:01:23 -0000 Hi Cody, all. Cody, I understand you for whatever it's worth. And I know what you mean: That was my reaction when I first started using Orca. But after a while, I realized that I felt that way mostly because I'd grown quite accustomed to hearing "submenu" over the years. I'm going to play devil's advocate for a moment. The definition of a submenu is a menu within a menu, right? So let's say you're in the File menu arrowing up and down to see what's there. You come across Wizards, which Orca tells you is a menu. What are the odds that Wizards is *not* a submenu? Take care. Joanie On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 16:47 -0400, Cody Hurst wrote: > Hi > Speaking of menus, I added this comment a while ago and don't know if > it was thought about but if your going through a menu and there is a sub > menu, orca should say something like "sub-menu" instead of "menu" the > person won't tell the difference in the main menu and any branching > menus and they could hit the right arrow and go to a totally different > menu and then recycle through the menus to find where they are. Ugh, its > a really confusing way I explained it but hopefully someone will > understand me > > Cody > On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 22:36 +0200, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > > Hey there. > > I agree with Sergey on how the keypad enter could be set up so that one > > press of the key would give a brief info on where i am and two presses > > would give a more technical description on where i am. However, i wonder > > if the menu items speaking should be there. What i mean is that i would > > like an option in the prefs dialog speech page where you could decide if > > you want to hear menu item count and if so if you want to hear it every > > time you move to a new item or only once for a menu. > > That's my 2 cents. > > /Krister > > On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 13:21 -0400, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > > > For those of you who don't hang out on Bugzilla like I do, there has > > > been some reason discussion and questions about whereAmI (i.e. what you > > > get when you press KeyPad Enter) and the implementation of a reverse > > > whereAmI (so that you can hear where you are without having to listen to > > > things like the name of the frame you are in). I started commenting on > > > the relevant RFEs with my thoughts, but I'm merely one individual. So I > > > decided instead to move things here in the hopes of having a broader > > > discussion on the subject. > > > > > > In the interest of brevity, I'll keep this message to the existing > > > whereAmI functionality, and to just one aspect of it: the quantity of > > > information that is being spoken which, personally, I think is at times > > > a bit too much. > > > > > > Example1: I sit down to my computer and don't know where I left off. > > > Turns out I'm in OpenOffice.org writer in a document called Untitled1 on > > > a line which reads "this is a test." When I press KeyPad Enter, I would > > > like Orca to reorient me by saying something like: > > > > > > "Untiled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer Text This > > > is a test." > > > > > > What I get is: > > > > > > "soffice.bin application Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer frame > > > Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer root pane paragraph This is a test. No > > > focus" > > > > > > Do we really need and/or want to hear the application name and the full > > > hierarchy along with rolenames? I, for one, would not. I also think > > > all of this information might be rather confusing for the new user. > > > > > > Example2: Still sitting down, still don't know where I left off, still > > > in OOo Writer. But this time it just so happens that I am in the File > > > menu, the Wizards submenu, and am currently on Euro Converter. > > > > > > What I'd like to hear: > > > > > > "Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer Euro Converter... > > > Item 7 of 9 E" > > > > > > What I get is: > > > > > > "soffice.bin application Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer frame > > > Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer root pane menu bar File menu Wizards > > > menu Item 7 of 9 Euro Converter shortcut Alt fwe" > > > > > > Let's ignore everything that is already addressed in Example 1 above. > > > That leaves "File menu Wizards menu Item 7 of 9 Euro Converter shortcut > > > Alt fwe" > > > > > > I suppose I can see some value in knowing that Euro Converter is > > > contained within Wizards which is contained with File and that File > > > lives on the menu bar. But if I'm disoriented, my number one concern is > > > to figure out what I'm currently sitting on. How on earth I got there > > > to begin with is something I can worry about later. > > > > > > If I know the name of the window I'm in, that I'm on a menu item, and > > > what that item's name happens to be, that is often all I need. With > > > that information, I'm in a position to choose an item in my current menu > > > or work my way back out to Wizards and then to File. (And in doing so > > > answer the question of "How did I get here?") Thus the additional > > > information (full path to the current menu item along with all the > > > shortcuts I need) is unnecessary -- and, again for the new user, it may > > > be potentially confusing. > > > > > > I'm curious as to what others think. > > > > > > Thanks in advance!! > > > Joanie > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Orca-list mailing list > > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From bart@ursys.com.au Tue Oct 24 21:48:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEFD23B0005 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:48:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09321-03 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:48:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cassowary.net.businet (unknown [203.7.149.14]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33A863B00E0 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:48:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bart.inside.urnet.com.au ([10.0.6.10] helo=zart.inside.urnet.com.au) by cassowary.net.businet with esmtp (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1GcXs7-00086U-N8 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:48:01 +1000 Received: from bart by zart.inside.urnet.com.au with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GcXxW-0002Nx-Cn for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:53:34 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17726.50078.338913.550269@zart.inside.urnet.com.au> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:53:34 +1000 From: bart@bunting.net.au To: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.4.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.638 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_REAL_NAME=0.961] X-Spam-Score: -1.638 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Orca not stopping talking X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 01:48:05 -0000 Hi everyone, I've mentioned this problem before but I still can't find the cause. Orca is not interupting speech as I move around the desktop. This renders it unusable. The interesting thing is that if I create a new user from scratch they don't appear to have this problem. I removed all gnome configuration files and the problem went away, so did all my settings of course :(. Now the problem is back again. I'm using latest Ubuntu Edgy and orca built from cvs. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Bart From bart@ursys.com.au Tue Oct 24 21:55:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16A9F3B01AB for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09570-01 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:55:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cassowary.net.businet (unknown [203.7.149.14]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E42533B002C for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bart.inside.urnet.com.au ([10.0.6.10] helo=zart.inside.urnet.com.au) by cassowary.net.businet with esmtp (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1GcXzZ-0008Re-7g for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:55:41 +1000 Received: from bart by zart.inside.urnet.com.au with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GcY4x-0002lJ-U6 for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:01:15 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17726.50539.723590.995237@zart.inside.urnet.com.au> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:01:15 +1000 From: bart@bunting.net.au To: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.4.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.638 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_REAL_NAME=0.961] X-Spam-Score: -1.638 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Orca Crash with emacspeak speech factory and outloud server X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 01:55:46 -0000 Hi again, I'm getting a crash when I try and use the emacspeak speech drivers. What happens is that when i do the initial orca config with orca -t i get the choices and everything speaks correctly up until I select voice 10 from the outloud server and then I get a crash. I'll paste the whole config session below. Viavoice is working as I hear the list of voices spoken correctly. Bart bart@zart:~$ orca -t GTK Accessibility Module initialized Welcome to Orca setup. Select desired speech system: 1. Emacspeak Speech Services 2. GNOME Speech Services Enter choice: 1 Select desired speech server. 1. dtk-mv 2. dtk-soft 3. dtk-exp 4. outloud Enter choice: 4 Select desired voice: 1. ursula 2. dennis 3. wendy 4. frank 5. child 6. kit 7. betty 8. female 9. harry 10. paul 11. male 12. rita 13. man Enter choice: 10 Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/orca.py", line 910, in _showPreferencesConsole module.showPreferencesUI() File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/orca_console_prefs.py", line 321, in showPreferencesUI if not setupSpeech(prefsDict): File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/orca_console_prefs.py", line 223, in setupSpeech speechVoiceChoice) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/orca_console_prefs.py", line 76, in sayAndPrint speechServer.speak(text, acss) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/espeechfactory.py", line 254, in speak code =self.getvoice(acss) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/outloud.py", line 248, in getvoice _defined_voices[name] =acss2voice(acss) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/outloud.py", line 262, in acss2voice if d in acss:voice += _table[(familyName, d)][int(acss[d])] KeyError: ('paul', 'average-pitch') Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/orca.py", line 1002, in start speech.speak(_("Welcome to Orca.")) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/speech.py", line 154, in speak __speechserver.speak(text, __resolveACSS(acss), interrupt) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/espeechfactory.py", line 254, in speak code =self.getvoice(acss) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/outloud.py", line 248, in getvoice _defined_voices[name] =acss2voice(acss) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/outloud.py", line 262, in acss2voice if d in acss:voice += _table[(familyName, d)][int(acss[d])] KeyError: ('ursula', 'average-pitch') Traceback (most recent call last): File "", line 1, in ? File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/orca.py", line 1269, in main start(registry) # waits until we stop the registry File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/orca.py", line 1024, in start _switchToPresentationManager(0) # focus_tracking_presenter File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/orca.py", line 112, in _switchToPresentationManager _PRESENTATION_MANAGERS[_currentPresentationManager].activate() File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/focus_tracking_presenter.py", line 750, in activate speech.speak(_("Switching to focus tracking mode.")) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/speech.py", line 154, in speak __speechserver.speak(text, __resolveACSS(acss), interrupt) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/espeechfactory.py", line 254, in speak code =self.getvoice(acss) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/outloud.py", line 248, in getvoice _defined_voices[name] =acss2voice(acss) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/outloud.py", line 262, in acss2voice if d in acss:voice += _table[(familyName, d)][int(acss[d])] KeyError: ('ursula', 'average-pitch') From lorenzo@taylor.homelinux.net Tue Oct 24 22:25:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1E383B0013 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:25:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10715-06 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:25:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from taylor.homelinux.net (cpe-065-190-200-185.nc.res.rr.com [65.190.200.185]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7895C3B0009 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:25:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lorenzo by taylor.homelinux.net with local (Exim 4.63.20061010) (envelope-from ) id 1GcYS0-0006rP-Q2 for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:25:11 -0400 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:25:04 -0400 From: Lorenzo Taylor To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20061025022504.GA23410@taylor.homelinux.net> References: <17726.50078.338913.550269@zart.inside.urnet.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <17726.50078.338913.550269@zart.inside.urnet.com.au> X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: lorenzo@taylor.homelinux.net X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:42:28 +0200) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on taylor.homelinux.net) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.342 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.076, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=2.046, UPPERCASE_25_50=0] X-Spam-Score: -0.342 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Orca not stopping talking X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 02:25:13 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 It seems that if the numlock is on Orca will not interrupt. I'm not sure why this is or if this is even your problem, but the last time this happened to me I found out my numlock was on. If in fact it is on and you turn it off the problem should go away. HTH, Lorenzo - -- I've always found anomalies to be very relaxing. It's a curse. - --Jadzia Dax: Star Trek Deep Space Nine (The Assignment) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFPssAG9IpekrhBfIRApuLAKDH8m9t3Cnxv4oqduNwT17UdjUxvgCgqiNL T2vVo3FFlHik+LdFoEnobHY= =9tm3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From churst35@verizon.net Wed Oct 25 01:13:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E11BF3B009F for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 01:13:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16884-06 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 01:13:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E865A3B002A for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 01:13:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.64] ([70.110.228.250]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J7O00G70EICOA42@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 00:13:25 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 01:12:58 -0400 From: Cody Hurst To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-id: <1161753178.10892.7.camel@ubuntu2> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.624 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.068, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.624 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Orca creating new account in edgy X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 05:13:34 -0000 Hi all, I tried to make a new user in edgy and when I logged in as the new user I got no sound, though my usual account works fine with sound. I couldn't get orca to come up in text setup mode. Is there something I can do? I tried opening alsamixer in the terminal but no luck. I don't even get sound when I log in or out. Anyone have an idea? Cody From bart@ursys.com.au Wed Oct 25 01:25:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAAB13B006F for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 01:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17423-05 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 01:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cassowary.net.businet (unknown [203.7.149.14]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C99073B002A for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 01:25:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bart.inside.urnet.com.au ([10.0.6.10] helo=zart.inside.urnet.com.au) by cassowary.net.businet with esmtp (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1GcbGR-0002iL-V8; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:25:20 +1000 Received: from bart by zart.inside.urnet.com.au with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GcbLs-0004l9-BQ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:30:56 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17726.63120.284415.114595@zart.inside.urnet.com.au> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:30:56 +1000 From: bart@bunting.net.au To: Cody Hurst In-Reply-To: <1161753178.10892.7.camel@ubuntu2> References: <1161753178.10892.7.camel@ubuntu2> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.4.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.638 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_REAL_NAME=0.961] X-Spam-Score: -1.638 X-Spam-Level: Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Orca creating new account in edgy X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 05:25:23 -0000 Cody, Check that the user has been added to the audio group if they haven't sound won't work. I'm not sure if this is done automagicaly for you when a new user is created or not. use the groups command to see which groups you belong to and then the adduser command to add you to a group. adduser e.g. adduser bart audio HTH Bart Cody Hurst writes: > Hi all, > I tried to make a new user in edgy and when I logged in as the new > user I got no sound, though my usual account works fine with sound. I > couldn't get orca to come up in text setup mode. Is there something I > can do? I tried opening alsamixer in the terminal but no luck. I don't > even get sound when I log in or out. Anyone have an idea? > > Cody > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From churst35@verizon.net Wed Oct 25 06:16:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69EF53B00C5 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 06:16:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31325-02 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 06:16:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A16A73B007D for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 06:16:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.64] ([70.110.228.250]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J7O002KYSIX1OM3@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 05:16:10 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 06:15:42 -0400 From: Cody Hurst In-reply-to: <17726.63120.284415.114595@zart.inside.urnet.com.au> To: bart@bunting.net.au Message-id: <1161771342.10892.9.camel@ubuntu2> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <1161753178.10892.7.camel@ubuntu2> <17726.63120.284415.114595@zart.inside.urnet.com.au> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.641 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.051, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.641 X-Spam-Level: Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Orca creating new account in edgy X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:16:18 -0000 Hi bart, Thanks, I didn't even know that. now I know. thanks a lot... Cody On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 15:30 +1000, bart@bunting.net.au wrote: > Cody, > > Check that the user has been added to the audio group if they haven't > sound won't work. I'm not sure if this is done automagicaly for you > when a new user is created or not. > > use the groups command to see which groups you belong to and then the > adduser command to add you to a group. > > adduser > e.g. > adduser bart audio > > HTH > > Bart > > Cody Hurst writes: > > Hi all, > > I tried to make a new user in edgy and when I logged in as the new > > user I got no sound, though my usual account works fine with sound. I > > couldn't get orca to come up in text setup mode. Is there something I > > can do? I tried opening alsamixer in the terminal but no luck. I don't > > even get sound when I log in or out. Anyone have an idea? > > > > Cody > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From krister@kristersplace.ws Wed Oct 25 06:32:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68A363B0307 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 06:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32316-05 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 06:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mxfep04.bredband.com (mxfep04.bredband.com [195.54.107.79]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EE783B02D1 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 06:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ironport2.bredband.com ([195.54.107.84] [195.54.107.84]) by mxfep04.bredband.com with ESMTP id <20061025103224.KSBK8360.mxfep04.bredband.com@ironport2.bredband.com> for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:32:24 +0200 Received: from c-6af970d5.018-38-6d6c6d2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO [192.168.0.172]) ([213.112.249.106]) by ironport2.bredband.com with ESMTP; 25 Oct 2006 12:32:24 +0200 Message-ID: <453F3D48.3010902@kristersplace.ws> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:32:40 +0200 From: Krister Ekstrom User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cody Hurst References: <1161753178.10892.7.camel@ubuntu2> In-Reply-To: <1161753178.10892.7.camel@ubuntu2> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.2.0 OpenPGP: id=BBE769C5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.422 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.177, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.422 X-Spam-Level: Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Orca creating new account in edgy X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: krister@kristersplace.ws List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:32:31 -0000 Hi Cody. When creating a new user in Edgy from Gnome, which i think you do, right? there's a multi-paged dialog that's called "add user" or something to that effect. If you want to use sound you'll have to go to the tab that says "Privileges". Now here comes the tricky part, because you'll have to tab to a table with the different privileges that you can assign to a user, however, Orca can't currently recognize the status of the check boxes that are next to the privilege you want to assign to a user, so it's rather a guesswork if you have given the user that perticular privilege. A bug has been filed on this matter, but unfortunately i can't currently remember the number of it. However, the thing you want to do is arrow down in the table until you hear something like "Allow sound" and press space bar on that line. That should do the trick. Hope this helps, or else, ask away again.:-) /Krister Cody Hurst wrote: > Hi all, > I tried to make a new user in edgy and when I logged in as the new > user I got no sound, though my usual account works fine with sound. I > couldn't get orca to come up in text setup mode. Is there something I > can do? I tried opening alsamixer in the terminal but no luck. I don't > even get sound when I log in or out. Anyone have an idea? > > Cody > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From krister@kristersplace.ws Wed Oct 25 07:36:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A40FD3B0014 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 07:36:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04772-02 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 07:36:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mxfep03.bredband.com (mxfep03.bredband.com [195.54.107.76]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B49183B00A5 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 07:36:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ironport2.bredband.com ([195.54.107.84] [195.54.107.84]) by mxfep03.bredband.com with ESMTP id <20061025113610.LQTI18511.mxfep03.bredband.com@ironport2.bredband.com> for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:36:10 +0200 Received: from c-6af970d5.018-38-6d6c6d2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO [192.168.0.172]) ([213.112.249.106]) by ironport2.bredband.com with ESMTP; 25 Oct 2006 13:36:10 +0200 Message-ID: <453F4C5E.4020203@kristersplace.ws> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:37:02 +0200 From: Krister Ekstrom User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joanmarie Diggs References: <1161710487.17005.3.camel@gumby> <1161722186.15826.4.camel@krister-desktop> <1161722875.20148.10.camel@Ubuntu1> <1161730876.3604.33.camel@gumby> In-Reply-To: <1161730876.3604.33.camel@gumby> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.2.0 OpenPGP: id=BBE769C5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.435 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.164, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.435 X-Spam-Level: Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Orca Thoughts on whereAmI: Quantity of Information X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: krister@kristersplace.ws List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:36:17 -0000 Hi Joanie, But on the other hand, i've seen instances where Orca reports something being a "menu" but it turns out you can't go into it. Either the menu is grayed, (Why isn't Orca reporting that?) or there's a buglet somewhere. Anyone elce reacted on this? And speaking of changes to the way Orca says things, what's best in your opinion, "save as dot dot dot" or "save as has dialog"? /Krister Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > Hi Cody, all. > > Cody, I understand you for whatever it's worth. And I know what > you mean: That was my reaction when I first started using Orca. But > after a while, I realized that I felt that way mostly because I'd grown > quite accustomed to hearing "submenu" over the years. > > I'm going to play devil's advocate for a moment. > > The definition of a submenu is a menu within a menu, right? So let's say > you're in the File menu arrowing up and down to see what's there. You > come across Wizards, which Orca tells you is a menu. What are the odds > that Wizards is *not* a submenu? > > Take care. > Joanie > > On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 16:47 -0400, Cody Hurst wrote: >> Hi >> Speaking of menus, I added this comment a while ago and don't know if >> it was thought about but if your going through a menu and there is a sub >> menu, orca should say something like "sub-menu" instead of "menu" the >> person won't tell the difference in the main menu and any branching >> menus and they could hit the right arrow and go to a totally different >> menu and then recycle through the menus to find where they are. Ugh, its >> a really confusing way I explained it but hopefully someone will >> understand me >> >> Cody >> On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 22:36 +0200, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >>> Hey there. >>> I agree with Sergey on how the keypad enter could be set up so that one >>> press of the key would give a brief info on where i am and two presses >>> would give a more technical description on where i am. However, i wonder >>> if the menu items speaking should be there. What i mean is that i would >>> like an option in the prefs dialog speech page where you could decide if >>> you want to hear menu item count and if so if you want to hear it every >>> time you move to a new item or only once for a menu. >>> That's my 2 cents. >>> /Krister >>> On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 13:21 -0400, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >>>> For those of you who don't hang out on Bugzilla like I do, there has >>>> been some reason discussion and questions about whereAmI (i.e. what you >>>> get when you press KeyPad Enter) and the implementation of a reverse >>>> whereAmI (so that you can hear where you are without having to listen to >>>> things like the name of the frame you are in). I started commenting on >>>> the relevant RFEs with my thoughts, but I'm merely one individual. So I >>>> decided instead to move things here in the hopes of having a broader >>>> discussion on the subject. >>>> >>>> In the interest of brevity, I'll keep this message to the existing >>>> whereAmI functionality, and to just one aspect of it: the quantity of >>>> information that is being spoken which, personally, I think is at times >>>> a bit too much. >>>> >>>> Example1: I sit down to my computer and don't know where I left off. >>>> Turns out I'm in OpenOffice.org writer in a document called Untitled1 on >>>> a line which reads "this is a test." When I press KeyPad Enter, I would >>>> like Orca to reorient me by saying something like: >>>> >>>> "Untiled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer Text This >>>> is a test." >>>> >>>> What I get is: >>>> >>>> "soffice.bin application Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer frame >>>> Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer root pane paragraph This is a test. No >>>> focus" >>>> >>>> Do we really need and/or want to hear the application name and the full >>>> hierarchy along with rolenames? I, for one, would not. I also think >>>> all of this information might be rather confusing for the new user. >>>> >>>> Example2: Still sitting down, still don't know where I left off, still >>>> in OOo Writer. But this time it just so happens that I am in the File >>>> menu, the Wizards submenu, and am currently on Euro Converter. >>>> >>>> What I'd like to hear: >>>> >>>> "Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer Euro Converter... >>>> Item 7 of 9 E" >>>> >>>> What I get is: >>>> >>>> "soffice.bin application Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer frame >>>> Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer root pane menu bar File menu Wizards >>>> menu Item 7 of 9 Euro Converter shortcut Alt fwe" >>>> >>>> Let's ignore everything that is already addressed in Example 1 above. >>>> That leaves "File menu Wizards menu Item 7 of 9 Euro Converter shortcut >>>> Alt fwe" >>>> >>>> I suppose I can see some value in knowing that Euro Converter is >>>> contained within Wizards which is contained with File and that File >>>> lives on the menu bar. But if I'm disoriented, my number one concern is >>>> to figure out what I'm currently sitting on. How on earth I got there >>>> to begin with is something I can worry about later. >>>> >>>> If I know the name of the window I'm in, that I'm on a menu item, and >>>> what that item's name happens to be, that is often all I need. With >>>> that information, I'm in a position to choose an item in my current menu >>>> or work my way back out to Wizards and then to File. (And in doing so >>>> answer the question of "How did I get here?") Thus the additional >>>> information (full path to the current menu item along with all the >>>> shortcuts I need) is unnecessary -- and, again for the new user, it may >>>> be potentially confusing. >>>> >>>> I'm curious as to what others think. >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance!! >>>> Joanie >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Orca-list mailing list >>>> Orca-list@gnome.org >>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Orca-list mailing list >>> Orca-list@gnome.org >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From bart@ursys.com.au Tue Oct 24 22:32:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F7B53B015F for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:32:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10881-09 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:32:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cassowary.net.businet (unknown [203.7.149.14]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6DFE3B0002 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:32:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bart.inside.urnet.com.au ([10.0.6.10] helo=zart.inside.urnet.com.au) by cassowary.net.businet with esmtp (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1GcYYm-0001f7-Pn; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:32:05 +1000 Received: from bart by zart.inside.urnet.com.au with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GcYeB-00031l-Nv; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:37:39 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17726.52723.678549.846932@zart.inside.urnet.com.au> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:37:39 +1000 To: Lorenzo Taylor In-Reply-To: <20061025022504.GA23410@taylor.homelinux.net> References: <17726.50078.338913.550269@zart.inside.urnet.com.au> <20061025022504.GA23410@taylor.homelinux.net> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.4.1 From: Bart Bunting X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:28:40 -0400 Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Orca not stopping talking X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 02:32:08 -0000 Lorenzo, Thanks for the tip, it seems that that was my problem! Does anyone know why this is so? Is it intended behaviour or a bug or sideefect? Wow Orca is much more useful when you can stop speech! Bart Lorenzo Taylor writes: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > It seems that if the numlock is on Orca will not interrupt. I'm not > sure why this is or if this is even your problem, but the last time this > happened to me I found out my numlock was on. If in fact it is on and > you turn it off the problem should go away. > > HTH, > Lorenzo > - -- > I've always found anomalies to be very relaxing. It's a curse. > - --Jadzia Dax: Star Trek Deep Space Nine (The Assignment) > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFFPssAG9IpekrhBfIRApuLAKDH8m9t3Cnxv4oqduNwT17UdjUxvgCgqiNL > T2vVo3FFlHik+LdFoEnobHY= > =9tm3 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From William.Walker@Sun.COM Wed Oct 25 10:27:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E27DD3B018C for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:27:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16448-03 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4300A3B010B for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-04.sun.com ([192.18.108.178]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k9PERAYS001019 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:27:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0J7P000013XSZC00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:27:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0J7P004ZH459FFO1@mail-amer.sun.com>; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:27:10 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:27:08 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <17726.52723.678549.846932@zart.inside.urnet.com.au> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Bart Bunting Message-id: <1161786428.11855.36.camel@ubuntu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <17726.50078.338913.550269@zart.inside.urnet.com.au> <20061025022504.GA23410@taylor.homelinux.net> <17726.52723.678549.846932@zart.inside.urnet.com.au> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.588 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.010, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.588 X-Spam-Level: Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Orca not stopping talking X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:27:18 -0000 Very odd. I just checked with debugging enabled in Orca and it seems as though Orca no longer get keyboard events from the AT-SPI once you've mucked with the NumLock key. As a result, Orca won't interrupt speech on a key press since it's not getting any key presses. I can also verify this with the src/tools/record_keystrokes.py module in the orca sources, and it looks like NumLock is toxic for me - once I've enabled it, I'm hosed and need to restart the X server. Will On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 12:37 +1000, Bart Bunting wrote: > Lorenzo, > > Thanks for the tip, it seems that that was my problem! > > Does anyone know why this is so? Is it intended behaviour or a bug or > sideefect? > > Wow Orca is much more useful when you can stop speech! > > Bart > > > Lorenzo Taylor writes: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > It seems that if the numlock is on Orca will not interrupt. I'm not > > sure why this is or if this is even your problem, but the last time this > > happened to me I found out my numlock was on. If in fact it is on and > > you turn it off the problem should go away. > > > > HTH, > > Lorenzo > > - -- > > I've always found anomalies to be very relaxing. It's a curse. > > - --Jadzia Dax: Star Trek Deep Space Nine (The Assignment) > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQFFPssAG9IpekrhBfIRApuLAKDH8m9t3Cnxv4oqduNwT17UdjUxvgCgqiNL > > T2vVo3FFlHik+LdFoEnobHY= > > =9tm3 > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From William.Walker@Sun.COM Wed Oct 25 10:58:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5EB93B0197 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:58:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18310-06 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:57:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com (brmea-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 524503B0004 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:57:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.108.184]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k9PEvs1U001894 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:57:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0J7P00C015H32Z00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:57:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0J7P00IUF5KH22M4@mail-amer.sun.com>; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:57:53 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:57:52 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <17726.50539.723590.995237@zart.inside.urnet.com.au> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: bart@bunting.net.au Message-id: <1161788272.11855.51.camel@ubuntu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <17726.50539.723590.995237@zart.inside.urnet.com.au> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.588 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.010, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.588 X-Spam-Level: Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Orca Crash with emacspeak speech factory and outloud server X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:58:00 -0000 Hi Bart: The emacspeak speech factory in Orca is a bit sparse in its implementation and support. The DECtalk tables for emacspeak are more complete with respect to the voices they support (thanks to Joanie!), but the outloud tables are a bit limited. I think male, man, and female are all that are supported. Hope this helps, Will On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 12:01 +1000, bart@bunting.net.au wrote: > Hi again, > > I'm getting a crash when I try and use the emacspeak speech drivers. > > What happens is that when i do the initial orca config with orca -t i > get the choices and everything speaks correctly up until I select > voice 10 from the outloud server and then I get a crash. > > I'll paste the whole config session below. Viavoice is working as I > hear the list of voices spoken correctly. > > > Bart > > > bart@zart:~$ orca -t > GTK Accessibility Module initialized > Welcome to Orca setup. > Select desired speech system: > 1. Emacspeak Speech Services > 2. GNOME Speech Services > Enter choice: 1 > Select desired speech server. > 1. dtk-mv > 2. dtk-soft > 3. dtk-exp > 4. outloud > Enter choice: 4 > Select desired voice: > 1. ursula > 2. dennis > 3. wendy > 4. frank > 5. child > 6. kit > 7. betty > 8. female > 9. harry > 10. paul > 11. male > 12. rita > 13. man > Enter choice: 10 > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/orca.py", line 910, in _showPreferencesConsole > module.showPreferencesUI() > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/orca_console_prefs.py", line 321, in showPreferencesUI > if not setupSpeech(prefsDict): > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/orca_console_prefs.py", line 223, in setupSpeech > speechVoiceChoice) > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/orca_console_prefs.py", line 76, in sayAndPrint > speechServer.speak(text, acss) > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/espeechfactory.py", line 254, in speak > code =self.getvoice(acss) > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/outloud.py", line 248, in getvoice > _defined_voices[name] =acss2voice(acss) > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/outloud.py", line 262, in acss2voice > if d in acss:voice += _table[(familyName, d)][int(acss[d])] > KeyError: ('paul', 'average-pitch') > > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/orca.py", line 1002, in start > speech.speak(_("Welcome to Orca.")) > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/speech.py", line 154, in speak > __speechserver.speak(text, __resolveACSS(acss), interrupt) > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/espeechfactory.py", line 254, in speak > code =self.getvoice(acss) > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/outloud.py", line 248, in getvoice > _defined_voices[name] =acss2voice(acss) > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/outloud.py", line 262, in acss2voice > if d in acss:voice += _table[(familyName, d)][int(acss[d])] > KeyError: ('ursula', 'average-pitch') > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "", line 1, in ? > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/orca.py", line 1269, in main > start(registry) # waits until we stop the registry > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/orca.py", line 1024, in start > _switchToPresentationManager(0) # focus_tracking_presenter > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/orca.py", line 112, in _switchToPresentationManager > _PRESENTATION_MANAGERS[_currentPresentationManager].activate() > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/focus_tracking_presenter.py", line 750, in activate > speech.speak(_("Switching to focus tracking mode.")) > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/speech.py", line 154, in speak > __speechserver.speak(text, __resolveACSS(acss), interrupt) > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/espeechfactory.py", line 254, in speak > code =self.getvoice(acss) > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/outloud.py", line 248, in getvoice > _defined_voices[name] =acss2voice(acss) > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/outloud.py", line 262, in acss2voice > if d in acss:voice += _table[(familyName, d)][int(acss[d])] > KeyError: ('ursula', 'average-pitch') > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From William.Walker@Sun.COM Wed Oct 25 11:07:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E08483B020A for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:07:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18846-05 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:06:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E90F83B0004 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:06:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-02.sun.com ([192.18.108.176]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k9PF6skc020463 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:06:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0J7P006015GXQL00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:06:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0J7P009935ZHWWD3@mail-amer.sun.com>; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:06:54 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:06:52 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <453F3D48.3010902@kristersplace.ws> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: krister@kristersplace.ws Message-id: <1161788812.11855.55.camel@ubuntu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <1161753178.10892.7.camel@ubuntu2> <453F3D48.3010902@kristersplace.ws> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.588 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.010, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.588 X-Spam-Level: Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Orca creating new account in edgy X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:07:01 -0000 > If you want to use sound you'll have to go to the tab that says > "Privileges". Now here comes the tricky part, because you'll have to tab > to a table with the different privileges that you can assign to a user, > however, Orca can't currently recognize the status of the check boxes > that are next to the privilege you want to assign to a user, so it's > rather a guesswork if you have given the user that perticular privilege. > A bug has been filed on this matter, but unfortunately i can't currently > remember the number of it. Here it is! :-) http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358467 I missed it, too, and accidentally opened a new bug. I caught myself, but only after it was too late. Will From William.Walker@Sun.COM Wed Oct 25 12:14:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8551A3B009B for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:14:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24008-07 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:14:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B233B00A5 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:14:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-06.sun.com ([192.18.108.180]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k9PGE79w023395 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:14:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0J7P00E018W3N400@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:14:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0J7P001V393IYEH3@mail-amer.sun.com>; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:14:07 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:14:06 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <1161786428.11855.36.camel@ubuntu> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Bart Bunting Message-id: <1161792846.5842.9.camel@ubuntu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <17726.50078.338913.550269@zart.inside.urnet.com.au> <20061025022504.GA23410@taylor.homelinux.net> <17726.52723.678549.846932@zart.inside.urnet.com.au> <1161786428.11855.36.camel@ubuntu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.588 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.010, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.588 X-Spam-Level: Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Orca not stopping talking X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:14:12 -0000 Well...to add more to this...restarting the X Server and even rebooting didn't solve the problem. I needed to go into the Keyboard Preferences dialog and muck around with AccessX settings - I enabled StickyKeys and then disabled it and things seemed to come back to life. Very very odd. We're looking at this on Solaris to see if the problem exists there, too. If it doesn't, I think this might be a Ubuntu problem, but I have no idea how or what is making this happen. Will On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 10:27 -0400, Willie Walker wrote: > Very odd. I just checked with debugging enabled in Orca and it seems as > though Orca no longer get keyboard events from the AT-SPI once you've > mucked with the NumLock key. As a result, Orca won't interrupt speech > on a key press since it's not getting any key presses. > > I can also verify this with the src/tools/record_keystrokes.py module in > the orca sources, and it looks like NumLock is toxic for me - once I've > enabled it, I'm hosed and need to restart the X server. > > Will > > On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 12:37 +1000, Bart Bunting wrote: > > Lorenzo, > > > > Thanks for the tip, it seems that that was my problem! > > > > Does anyone know why this is so? Is it intended behaviour or a bug or > > sideefect? > > > > Wow Orca is much more useful when you can stop speech! > > > > Bart > > > > > > Lorenzo Taylor writes: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > It seems that if the numlock is on Orca will not interrupt. I'm not > > > sure why this is or if this is even your problem, but the last time this > > > happened to me I found out my numlock was on. If in fact it is on and > > > you turn it off the problem should go away. > > > > > > HTH, > > > Lorenzo > > > - -- > > > I've always found anomalies to be very relaxing. It's a curse. > > > - --Jadzia Dax: Star Trek Deep Space Nine (The Assignment) > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > iD8DBQFFPssAG9IpekrhBfIRApuLAKDH8m9t3Cnxv4oqduNwT17UdjUxvgCgqiNL > > > T2vVo3FFlHik+LdFoEnobHY= > > > =9tm3 > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Orca-list mailing list > > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From SRS0=7s5T=EG=ubuntu.com=henrik@srs.kundenserver.de Wed Oct 25 12:26:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17C4C3B002B for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:26:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24623-07 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C94B3B0018 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [81.191.167.206] (helo=[81.191.167.206]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu5) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML25U-1GclaS2vPM-00088e; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:26:41 +0200 Message-ID: <453F9051.5090704@ubuntu.com> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:26:57 +0200 From: Henrik Nilsen Omma User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060918) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Orca screen reader developers References: <1161710487.17005.3.camel@gumby> In-Reply-To: <1161710487.17005.3.camel@gumby> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:8d5020abe73c4c19784bf38f0f038dcc X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.001, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Orca Thoughts on whereAmI: Quantity of Information X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:26:49 -0000 Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > [snip] > > "Untiled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer Text This > is a test." > > What I get is: > > "soffice.bin application Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer frame > Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer root pane paragraph This is a test. No > focus" > How about a general infrastructure that let's you substitute strings to reduce (or increase?) verbosity. We could provide a general low-verbosity look-up file, but users could add their own. So the phrase "OpenOffice.org Writer" could be replaced by "Writer" or "O-O Writer". "Untitled1 - " could just be skipped when it occurs, etc." That way users can tweak their own verbosity settings in a simple file: "OpenOffice.org Writer", "Writer" "Untitled1 - ", "" "Desktop window frame", "Desktop" etc. I think we can get quite far with a simple look-up file, but we should probably add some rules to stop orca from replacing "OpenOffice.org Writer" with "Writer" in a text body, etc. Henrik From j-diggs@comcast.net Wed Oct 25 12:35:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8B6E3B0105 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:35:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25132-06 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rwcrmhc15.comcast.net (rwcrmhc15.comcast.net [216.148.227.155]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B88403B002B for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:35:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.35.104] (c-24-147-88-22.hsd1.nh.comcast.net[24.147.88.22]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc15) with SMTP id <20061025163523m15009hk3fe>; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:35:24 +0000 From: Joanmarie Diggs To: krister@kristersplace.ws In-Reply-To: <453F4C5E.4020203@kristersplace.ws> References: <1161710487.17005.3.camel@gumby> <1161722186.15826.4.camel@krister-desktop> <1161722875.20148.10.camel@Ubuntu1> <1161730876.3604.33.camel@gumby> <453F4C5E.4020203@kristersplace.ws> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:35:31 -0400 Message-Id: <1161794131.1249.37.camel@pokey> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.531 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.025, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447] X-Spam-Score: 0.531 X-Spam-Level: Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Orca speaking of menu items (was Re: Thoughts on whereAmI: Quantity of Information) X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:35:31 -0000 Hi Krister. > But on the other hand, i've seen instances where Orca reports something > being a "menu" but it turns out you can't go into it. Either the menu is > grayed, (Why isn't Orca reporting that?) or there's a buglet somewhere. I've not come across that. In my experience, grayed menu items can't get focus. If there's an application where a grayed menu item can get focus and Orca is not reporting that the item in question is grayed, I'd call that a bug and would file it (along with the specific steps to reproduce the problem) on bugzilla. (Have you checked out bugzilla yet?) > And speaking of changes to the way Orca says things, what's best in your > opinion, "save as dot dot dot" or "save as has dialog"? Well, my personal preference is dot dot dot because that's what's on the screen. But that's just me... Take care. Joanie From William.Walker@Sun.COM Wed Oct 25 12:41:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15F893B0004 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25530-02 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:41:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9A633B00EB for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:41:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-03.sun.com ([192.18.108.177]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k9PGfJiV028604 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:41:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0J7P00K01A20DF00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:41:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0J7P00476ACMJWG1@mail-amer.sun.com>; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:41:19 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:41:09 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <1161792846.5842.9.camel@ubuntu> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Bart Bunting Message-id: <1161794469.5842.17.camel@ubuntu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <17726.50078.338913.550269@zart.inside.urnet.com.au> <20061025022504.GA23410@taylor.homelinux.net> <17726.52723.678549.846932@zart.inside.urnet.com.au> <1161786428.11855.36.camel@ubuntu> <1161792846.5842.9.camel@ubuntu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.588 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.010, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.588 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Ubuntu Accessibility List , orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Orca not stopping talking X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:41:24 -0000 One more data point: the problem doesn't seem to exist on Solaris, so I'm guessing this might be specific to Ubuntu. :-( I'm CC'ing the Ubuntu Accessibility List to see if anyone there might have an idea. Furthermore, in experimenting with this, we noticed that my laptop (a Toshiba Tecra where I need to chord Fn+F11 to turn NumLock on and off) exhibits the dreaded "you must monkey with AccessX settings to bring events back to life even if you reboot the machine" whereas a system with a regular keyboard (more specifically, a Ubuntu system with a Sun keyboard) will recover just fine if you turn off NumLock. Will On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 12:14 -0400, Willie Walker wrote: > Well...to add more to this...restarting the X Server and even rebooting > didn't solve the problem. I needed to go into the Keyboard Preferences > dialog and muck around with AccessX settings - I enabled StickyKeys and > then disabled it and things seemed to come back to life. Very very odd. > > We're looking at this on Solaris to see if the problem exists there, > too. If it doesn't, I think this might be a Ubuntu problem, but I have > no idea how or what is making this happen. > > Will > > On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 10:27 -0400, Willie Walker wrote: > > Very odd. I just checked with debugging enabled in Orca and it seems as > > though Orca no longer get keyboard events from the AT-SPI once you've > > mucked with the NumLock key. As a result, Orca won't interrupt speech > > on a key press since it's not getting any key presses. > > > > I can also verify this with the src/tools/record_keystrokes.py module in > > the orca sources, and it looks like NumLock is toxic for me - once I've > > enabled it, I'm hosed and need to restart the X server. > > > > Will > > > > On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 12:37 +1000, Bart Bunting wrote: > > > Lorenzo, > > > > > > Thanks for the tip, it seems that that was my problem! > > > > > > Does anyone know why this is so? Is it intended behaviour or a bug or > > > sideefect? > > > > > > Wow Orca is much more useful when you can stop speech! > > > > > > Bart > > > > > > > > > Lorenzo Taylor writes: > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > > It seems that if the numlock is on Orca will not interrupt. I'm not > > > > sure why this is or if this is even your problem, but the last time this > > > > happened to me I found out my numlock was on. If in fact it is on and > > > > you turn it off the problem should go away. > > > > > > > > HTH, > > > > Lorenzo > > > > - -- > > > > I've always found anomalies to be very relaxing. It's a curse. > > > > - --Jadzia Dax: Star Trek Deep Space Nine (The Assignment) > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > > > iD8DBQFFPssAG9IpekrhBfIRApuLAKDH8m9t3Cnxv4oqduNwT17UdjUxvgCgqiNL > > > > T2vVo3FFlHik+LdFoEnobHY= > > > > =9tm3 > > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Orca-list mailing list > > > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Orca-list mailing list > > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From William.Walker@Sun.COM Wed Oct 25 13:09:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D83E3B0086 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27320-08 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:09:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com (brmea-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9DBF3B00E0 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-06.sun.com ([192.18.108.180]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k9PH9LqG012129 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:09:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0J7P00001BDORY00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:09:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0J7P001X0BNKYEI3@mail-amer.sun.com>; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:09:21 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:09:20 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <453F9051.5090704@ubuntu.com> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Henrik Nilsen Omma Message-id: <1161796160.5842.33.camel@ubuntu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <1161710487.17005.3.camel@gumby> <453F9051.5090704@ubuntu.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.588 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.010, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.588 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Orca screen reader developers Subject: Re: Orca Thoughts on whereAmI: Quantity of Information X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:09:25 -0000 Rich just added a custom pronunciation dictionary that might help in this situation. The keys to the dictionary are strings and the values are strings. They both can be any old string. So...you can have: orca.pronunciation_dict["Open Office.org Writer"] = "Writer" orca.pronunciation_dict["window frame"] = "" ... Will On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 18:26 +0200, Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote: > Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > > [snip] > > > > "Untiled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer Text This > > is a test." > > > > What I get is: > > > > "soffice.bin application Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer frame > > Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer root pane paragraph This is a test. No > > focus" > > > > How about a general infrastructure that let's you substitute strings to > reduce (or increase?) verbosity. We could provide a general > low-verbosity look-up file, but users could add their own. > > So the phrase "OpenOffice.org Writer" could be replaced by "Writer" or > "O-O Writer". "Untitled1 - " could just be skipped when it occurs, etc." > That way users can tweak their own verbosity settings in a simple file: > > "OpenOffice.org Writer", "Writer" > "Untitled1 - ", "" > "Desktop window frame", "Desktop" > etc. > > I think we can get quite far with a simple look-up file, but we should > probably add some rules to stop orca from replacing "OpenOffice.org > Writer" with "Writer" in a text body, etc. > > Henrik > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From krister@kristersplace.ws Wed Oct 25 13:32:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20AD63B018C for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28593-08 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:32:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mxfep03.bredband.com (mxfep03.bredband.com [195.54.107.76]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DF723B0224 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:32:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ironport.bredband.com ([195.54.107.82] [195.54.107.82]) by mxfep03.bredband.com with ESMTP id <20061025173246.REED18511.mxfep03.bredband.com@ironport.bredband.com> for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:32:46 +0200 Received: from c-6af970d5.018-38-6d6c6d2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO [192.168.0.172]) ([213.112.249.106]) by ironport.bredband.com with ESMTP; 25 Oct 2006 19:32:46 +0200 From: Krister Ekstrom To: orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <453F9051.5090704@ubuntu.com> References: <1161710487.17005.3.camel@gumby> <453F9051.5090704@ubuntu.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:32:41 +0200 Message-Id: <1161797561.26515.12.camel@krister-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.446 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.153, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.446 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Orca Thoughts on whereAmI: Quantity of Information X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: krister@kristersplace.ws List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:32:50 -0000 Hi Henrik, Why make it harder and more complicated than it needs to be? It's good with choises, but for that, we could add a user dictionary operated from a dialog box with a read-only edit box with the word the user selected, maybe from a list box with Orca prompts and a text box where user could type a replacement word. No need to search for config files with cryptic names in strange locations. /Krister On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 18:26 +0200, Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote: > Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > > [snip] > > > > "Untiled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer Text This > > is a test." > > > > What I get is: > > > > "soffice.bin application Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer frame > > Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer root pane paragraph This is a test. No > > focus" > > > > How about a general infrastructure that let's you substitute strings to > reduce (or increase?) verbosity. We could provide a general > low-verbosity look-up file, but users could add their own. > > So the phrase "OpenOffice.org Writer" could be replaced by "Writer" or > "O-O Writer". "Untitled1 - " could just be skipped when it occurs, etc." > That way users can tweak their own verbosity settings in a simple file: > > "OpenOffice.org Writer", "Writer" > "Untitled1 - ", "" > "Desktop window frame", "Desktop" > etc. > > I think we can get quite far with a simple look-up file, but we should > probably add some rules to stop orca from replacing "OpenOffice.org > Writer" with "Writer" in a text body, etc. > > Henrik > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From listmail@hoschwald.de Wed Oct 25 14:32:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D9473B00E5 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:32:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32148-09 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:32:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.as-6.de (as-7.de [80.190.252.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B67B3B0084 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:32:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.as-6.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEF40928008 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:32:16 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.as-6.de Received: from mail.as-6.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.as-6.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KnHHuuvYLj4I for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:32:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from debian.hq.otrs.com (p5492EA5D.dip.t-dialin.net [84.146.234.93]) by mail.as-6.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C203928004 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:32:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: by debian.hq.otrs.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E9A6CDA34; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:32:14 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:32:14 +0200 From: Henning Oschwald To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20061025183213.GA6349@debian.schoeppi.net> References: <20061022011913.GA16574@taylor.homelinux.net> <453B3202.7000102@kristersplace.ws> <1161528181l.20252l.0l@taylor.homelinux.net> <1161550785.7133.99.camel@ubuntu> <20061023042118.GA26851@taylor.homelinux.net> <1161608990.7133.149.camel@ubuntu> <20061023145702.GA10457@taylor.homelinux.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20061023145702.GA10457@taylor.homelinux.net> User-Agent: mutt-ng/devel-r804 (Debian) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.464 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.464 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Orca Problems with Gaim and X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:32:19 -0000 Hi, Am Montag, 23. Oktober schrieb Lorenzo Taylor: > I am having a problem when using Gaim and Orca. My main buddy list > window is always silent and the flat review keys don't work. I am also > unable to hear anything when using the arrow keys in an attempt to > browse the buddy list. I'm having the same problem here since I installed Gaim Beta4 (Debian Sid, GNOME 2.14). . The program is as accessible as before, except for the buddy list which seems allways empty, but it isn't. :-( Best regards Henning From churst35@verizon.net Wed Oct 25 16:22:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FC893B008E for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:22:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07367-05 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:22:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD50C3B0074 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:22:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.64] ([70.110.228.250]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J7P00E4GKLANK85@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:22:23 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:21:56 -0400 From: Cody Hurst In-reply-to: <1161788812.11855.55.camel@ubuntu> To: Willie Walker Message-id: <1161807716.5323.1.camel@ubuntu2> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <1161753178.10892.7.camel@ubuntu2> <453F3D48.3010902@kristersplace.ws> <1161788812.11855.55.camel@ubuntu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.651 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.041, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.651 X-Spam-Level: Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Orca creating new account in edgy X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:22:24 -0000 Hi, Thanks I got the sound working in that account, though orca doesn't seem to be operating correctly, when I exit this account, and log into the other one, all I hear is "echo by word y or n" over and over and over. I can't kill festival or orca because it jsut won't work. then the next time I log into this account, my settings are whiped, and orca says "welcome to orca setup" what is going on here? Cody On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 11:06 -0400, Willie Walker wrote: > > If you want to use sound you'll have to go to the tab that says > > "Privileges". Now here comes the tricky part, because you'll have to tab > > to a table with the different privileges that you can assign to a user, > > however, Orca can't currently recognize the status of the check boxes > > that are next to the privilege you want to assign to a user, so it's > > rather a guesswork if you have given the user that perticular privilege. > > A bug has been filed on this matter, but unfortunately i can't currently > > remember the number of it. > > Here it is! :-) > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358467 > > I missed it, too, and accidentally opened a new bug. I caught myself, > but only after it was too late. > > Will > > From janina@opera.rednote.net Wed Oct 25 21:22:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEC353B0018; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:22:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22079-09; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from opera.rednote.net (opera.rednote.net [70.84.142.212]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DB6D3B0092; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from opera.rednote.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by opera.rednote.net (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k9Q1MY98007335 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 01:22:41 GMT Received: (from janina@localhost) by opera.rednote.net (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id k9Q1LBtK007081; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:21:11 -0400 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:21:11 -0400 From: Janina Sajka To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca, blinux-list-bounces@redhat.com, emacspeak@cs.vassar.edu, gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org, Orca screen reader developers Message-ID: <20061026012052.GW30054@rednote.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Operating-System: Linux opera.rednote.net 2.6.17-1.2174_FC5spksmp Organization: Capital Accessibility LLC (http://www.CapitalAccessibility.com) X-PGP-Key: http://www.CapitalAccessibility.com/JaninaSajka_gpg_key.html X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.571 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.028, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.571 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Orca The Speakup Modified Fedora Distribution Returns X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 01:22:59 -0000 The Speakup Modified Fedora Distribution is back. Once again we invite you to use our images and installation guidance to install Fedora Core 6, also known as "Zod," using your hardware speech synthesizer and the Speakup screen reader. Downloadable images and documentation are available at our new Internet address: http://SpeakupModified.Org You can also access the Speakup Modified Fedora files using ftp and rsync with commands such as: ftp://ftp.SpeakupModified.Org/speakupmodified/fedora/ rsync -l speakupmodified.org::speakupmodified The Speakup Modified Fedora provides: * installation media adapted expressly for those blind computer users who want to use the Speakup Linux screen reader to install a Fedora-style Linux on their computers. This means that the blind computer user will not require sighted assistance, and that the end result will be an installation that talks every time it is booted. * Other assistive technology including brltty, emacspeak,, and orca. * It's all there--in the installation images. * Fast and robust Internet connections on our new hosted servers, so * that your downloads can proceed at maximum speed In the very near future we will also provide: * A revised Installation HOWTO to guide you through the installation * process, including setup for Fedora's accessible graphical desktop. * A yum repository so you can update your Speakup Modified Fedora * distribution the easy way--overnight in your sleep, for instance. * Additional accessible applications such as Asterisk, LSR and elinks * with javascript support * A Help Wiki and mini HOWTOs on various Linux topics that you can use both to learn from and also to share your own expertise with others. The newly released Fedora Core 6 is the most accessible Fedora yet. We're pleased we can once again facilitate your installation of Fedora without sighted assistance. Enjoy! The Speakup Modified Team From lazzaro@rcn.com Thu Oct 26 11:18:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 026983B00AE for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02557-04 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:18:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DA053B009D for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:18:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.28]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 26 Oct 2006 11:17:54 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,362,1157342400"; d="scan'208,217"; a="332089320:sNHT4627130776" Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.7.5a-GA) with ESMTP id HKH24418; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:17:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-6-176-98.c3-0.wth-ubr1.sbo-wth.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO JJLWKST1) ([209.6.176.98]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 26 Oct 2006 11:17:27 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,362,1157342400"; d="scan'208,217"; a="300646856:sNHT44946776" From: "lazzaro" To: Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:17:08 -0400 Message-ID: <002d01c6f911$ce2aceb0$c901a8c0@JJLWKST1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002E_01C6F8F0.47192EB0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A090205.4540D168.0066,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=207.172.4.11, so=2006-05-09 23:27:51, dmn=5.2.113/2006-07-26 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.376 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_30_40=0.374, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Spam-Score: 0.376 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Orca Introductions X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:18:17 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C6F8F0.47192EB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello to All, Please allow me to briefly introduce myself. My name is Joe Lazzaro, and I'm new to this list. I've been driving Orca for about one month now, and am very interested and encouraged by its development. Once we have a functional screen reader, and I believe we are well on the way towards that goal, the blind community can then begin to play an active role in the GNOME platform. I myself am a long time screen reader user, and have used them on DOS, Windows, Mac, and UNIX platforms over the years. My day job is to manage the newly constructed Assistive Technology Lab for the Commonwealth of Massachusetts Information Technology Division. The Lab has begun to host user group meetings on various assistive technologies, and we were privileged to have Willie Walker at our first meeting, where he did a demonstration of Orca to a very interested audience. 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Please = allow me to=20 briefly introduce myself. My name is Joe Lazzaro, and I'm new to this = list. I've=20 been driving Orca for about one month now, and am very interested and = encouraged=20 by its development. Once we have a functional screen reader, and I = believe we=20 are well on the way towards that goal, the blind community can then = begin to=20 play an active role in the GNOME platform. I myself am a long time = screen reader=20 user, and have used them on DOS, Windows, Mac, and UNIX platforms over = the=20 years. My day job is to manage the newly constructed Assistive = Technology Lab=20 for the Commonwealth of Massachusetts Information Technology Division. = The Lab=20 has begun to host user group meetings on various assistive technologies, = and we=20 were privileged to have Willie Walker at our first meeting, where he did = a=20 demonstration of Orca to a very interested audience. I look forward to = learning=20 from my fellow members of this list.
 
------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C6F8F0.47192EB0-- From William.Walker@Sun.COM Thu Oct 26 13:34:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 322763B000C for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:34:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11307-01 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:34:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com (brmea-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AB2C3B0013 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:34:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-04.sun.com ([192.18.108.178]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k9QHYVUg022641 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:34:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0J7R005017AFE100@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:34:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0J7R004FD7HJFFS2@mail-amer.sun.com>; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:34:31 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:34:29 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <002d01c6f911$ce2aceb0$c901a8c0@JJLWKST1> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: lazzaro Message-id: <1161884069.11788.40.camel@ubuntu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <002d01c6f911$ce2aceb0$c901a8c0@JJLWKST1> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.588 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.010, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.588 X-Spam-Level: Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Orca Introductions X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:34:39 -0000 Welcome Joe! Glad to have you on the list. If you can encourage other people who came to the user group to join, that would be great, too. Some of the recent discussions we've been having (e.g., what to do for "where am I") are a direct result of the user's group and I want to keep up the useful dialog. Thanks! Will On Thu, 2006-10-26 at 11:17 -0400, lazzaro wrote: > Hello to All, > > Please allow me to briefly introduce myself. My name is Joe Lazzaro, > and I'm new to this list. I've been driving Orca for about one month > now, and am very interested and encouraged by its development. Once we > have a functional screen reader, and I believe we are well on the way > towards that goal, the blind community can then begin to play an > active role in the GNOME platform. I myself am a long time screen > reader user, and have used them on DOS, Windows, Mac, and UNIX > platforms over the years. My day job is to manage the newly > constructed Assistive Technology Lab for the Commonwealth of > Massachusetts Information Technology Division. The Lab has begun to > host user group meetings on various assistive technologies, and we > were privileged to have Willie Walker at our first meeting, where he > did a demonstration of Orca to a very interested audience. I look > forward to learning from my fellow members of this list. > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From lorenzo@taylor.homelinux.net Thu Oct 26 15:34:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3FA43B0142 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18407-05 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from taylor.homelinux.net (cpe-065-190-200-185.nc.res.rr.com [65.190.200.185]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2208D3B002B for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lorenzo by taylor.homelinux.net with local (Exim 4.63.20061010) (envelope-from ) id 1GdAzE-00042c-3B for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:34:03 -0400 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:33:56 -0400 From: Lorenzo Taylor To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20061026193355.GA6669@taylor.homelinux.net> References: <20061022011913.GA16574@taylor.homelinux.net> <453B3202.7000102@kristersplace.ws> <1161528181l.20252l.0l@taylor.homelinux.net> <1161550785.7133.99.camel@ubuntu> <20061023042118.GA26851@taylor.homelinux.net> <1161608990.7133.149.camel@ubuntu> <20061023145702.GA10457@taylor.homelinux.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20061023145702.GA10457@taylor.homelinux.net> X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: lorenzo@taylor.homelinux.net X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:42:28 +0200) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on taylor.homelinux.net) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.344 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.074, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=2.046] X-Spam-Score: -0.344 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Orca Problems with Gaim and X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:34:05 -0000 Just to let everyone know and maybe shed a little more light on the gaim problem, I tried compiling Gaim from source but I'm still having the silent buddy list issue. Just like with the Debian version, if I show offline buddies I can use the flat review keys to read the buddy list and not the arrows, but if I don't have show offline buddies checked the entire buddy list is silent unless I tab off the tree table. As long as I am on the tree table nothing happens at all, and if I tab off there's no way to get back if I'm not showing offline buddies. I am guessing there may be a problem with one of my installed gnome libraries, but which one and how would I find out? Thanks for any additional help, Lorenzo -- I've always found anomalies to be very relaxing. It's a curse. --Jadzia Dax: Star Trek Deep Space Nine (The Assignment) From alpuzz@gmail.com Thu Oct 26 19:20:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F8B83B000C for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:20:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31264-01 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:20:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.193]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E0B43B0097 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:20:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id m22so430044nzf for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:20:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.180.4 with SMTP id c4mr3996321qbf; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:20:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thinkpad ( [68.41.20.163]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id z21sm1589006qbc.2006.10.26.16.20.45; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:20:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <018001c6f955$5d99ba50$6901a8c0@thinkpad> From: "Al Puzzuoli" To: "Orca List" References: <003b01c6f74f$28473470$0101a8c0@traynor2> <20061024143541.GA7043@blackbox.hittsjunk.net> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:20:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.928 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.128, BAYES_50=0.001, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.928 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Orca Locating and installing IBM Via voice text to speech foruse with ! X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 23:20:48 -0000 Hi, If you do decide to opt for DECtalk , note that their purchase URL seems to be impossible to find with a screen reader. However, the direct URL is: http://www.fonixspeech.com/pages/dectalk_rt_purchase.php --Al From krister@kristersplace.ws Fri Oct 27 06:32:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50EFA3B0097 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 06:32:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28806-09 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 06:32:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mxfep04.bredband.com (mxfep04.bredband.com [195.54.107.79]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11EB23B0081 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 06:32:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ironport.bredband.com ([195.54.107.82] [195.54.107.82]) by mxfep04.bredband.com with ESMTP id <20061027103244.RHSY8360.mxfep04.bredband.com@ironport.bredband.com> for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:32:44 +0200 Received: from c-6af970d5.018-38-6d6c6d2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO [192.168.0.172]) ([213.112.249.106]) by ironport.bredband.com with ESMTP; 27 Oct 2006 12:32:44 +0200 From: Krister Ekstrom To: orca-list Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:32:43 +0200 Message-Id: <1161945164.17731.13.camel@krister-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.455 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.144, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.455 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Orca Possible bug with and Evolution 2.8.x X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: krister@kristersplace.ws List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:32:48 -0000 Hi listers, I think i may just have found a bug in Orca when running Evolution 2.8.X but i want to have this confirmed by others before filing it. When i go in to the import assistant to import, in this case a gpg-key into Evolution and try to chose what file type i will be importing, Orca hangs, but not holely. I can move the flat review keys so i can see the dialog around the combo box for which i have brought up the menu, but i can't see the menu itself. Orca reports that i have gotten a menu up, but i can't move my arrow keys around in the menu and i can't press return or tab or any other key than escape, making the menu choice discarded. Steps to reproduce: 1: go into file|import... 2: from the dialog that pops up, choose to import a single file find a file that's anything elce than an "evolution csv or tab " file, for example an exported pgp/gpg file *.asc. 3: from the combo box that says something like "choose the type of file that will be imported" press space, which is the only way to reach that menu with Orca. Do your arrows hang? Are you able to move back and forward in the menu and hear Orca anouncing the menu choises? If so, it's only on my system, an Ibm NetVista with 2.4 GigaHertz Pentium processor and one 40 Gig and one 120 Gig hard drive and 512 Megabyte of memory that this happens and if so i'm at a loss as to what to do then. If however no keys but the esc key works and you can't hear any menu choises at all with Orca, then there must be a bug somewhere. Thanks, /Krister From j-diggs@comcast.net Fri Oct 27 06:52:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80BC03B009C for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 06:52:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30248-06 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 06:52:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net (sccrmhc14.comcast.net [63.240.77.84]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C2833B0094 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 06:52:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.35.104] (c-24-147-88-22.hsd1.nh.comcast.net[24.147.88.22]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <2006102710521601400qefene>; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:52:22 +0000 From: Joanmarie Diggs To: krister@kristersplace.ws In-Reply-To: <1161945164.17731.13.camel@krister-desktop> References: <1161945164.17731.13.camel@krister-desktop> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 06:52:17 -0400 Message-Id: <1161946337.4541.17.camel@pokey> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.531 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.025, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447] X-Spam-Score: 0.531 X-Spam-Level: Cc: orca-list Subject: Re: Orca Possible bug with and Evolution 2.8.x X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:52:23 -0000 Hi Krister. I just did a quick test following your steps (I imported a vcard). It seems that once you choose the file, the combo box displays the correct file type if that file type can be identified. All of the other file types in that combo box are grayed out so you cannot arrow to them -- regardless of whether or not Orca happens to be running. So.... What you describe is indeed reproducible. However, Orca seems to be doing exactly what it is supposed to, namely providing access to what is taking place on the screen. What is taking place on the screen is, perhaps, the "bug." Hope this helps! Joanie On Fri, 2006-10-27 at 12:32 +0200, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > Hi listers, > I think i may just have found a bug in Orca when running Evolution 2.8.X > but i want to have this confirmed by others before filing it. > When i go in to the import assistant to import, in this case a gpg-key > into Evolution and try to chose what file type i will be importing, Orca > hangs, but not holely. I can move the flat review keys so i can see the > dialog around the combo box for which i have brought up the menu, but i > can't see the menu itself. Orca reports that i have gotten a menu up, > but i can't move my arrow keys around in the menu and i can't press > return or tab or any other key than escape, making the menu choice > discarded. > Steps to reproduce: > 1: go into file|import... > 2: from the dialog that pops up, choose to import a single file find a > file that's anything elce than an "evolution csv or tab " file, for > example an exported pgp/gpg file *.asc. > 3: from the combo box that says something like "choose the type of file > that will be imported" press space, which is the only way to reach that > menu with Orca. > Do your arrows hang? Are you able to move back and forward in the menu > and hear Orca anouncing the menu choises? If so, it's only on my system, > an Ibm NetVista with 2.4 GigaHertz Pentium processor and one 40 Gig and > one 120 Gig hard drive and 512 Megabyte of memory that this happens and > if so i'm at a loss as to what to do then. If however no keys but the > esc key works and you can't hear any menu choises at all with Orca, then > there must be a bug somewhere. > Thanks, > /Krister > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From researchbase@gmail.com Sun Oct 29 10:37:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B002F3B0216 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 10:37:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05000-10 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 10:37:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50A3F3B0184 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 10:37:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 74so978491ugb for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 07:37:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.224.3 with SMTP id w3mr2711754ugg; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 07:37:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.67.9 with HTTP; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 07:37:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 21:07:53 +0530 From: "krishnakant Mane" To: "Orca screen reader developers" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.4 X-Spam-Level: Cc: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Orca need the latest instructions for orca and edgy, any link? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 15:37:58 -0000 hello all, I have just got the edgy cd and now looking at some howto which I can follow. for an older unstable version of orca, I followed http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=246334 but it says that the page is obsolit and there will be a new page. now since edgy has finally been released, I will like to know if there are any updates to have orca run (not just on the live cd but on a permenent basis). I followed f5 and then 3 for accessibility. orca did not speak up. may be some sound card problem? but after I fix that problem, will this be the way to start orca? will it then run every time my system boots? or are there different sets of instructions for configuring and starting orca on an installed edgy machine? how is the installer doing now? can I use it? I am totally blind and can only depend on the speach system. thanking all. Krishnakant. From j-diggs@comcast.net Sun Oct 29 11:34:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB6293B00FA for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:34:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12841-04 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:34:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.192.81]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6A573B00EF for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:33:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.35.104] (c-24-147-88-22.hsd1.nh.comcast.net[24.147.88.22]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20061029163358m1100ne4d8e>; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 16:33:59 +0000 From: Joanmarie Diggs To: krishnakant Mane In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:34:00 -0500 Message-Id: <1162139640.4791.4.camel@pokey> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.531 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.025, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447] X-Spam-Score: 0.531 X-Spam-Level: Cc: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com, Orca screen reader developers Subject: Re: Orca need the latest instructions for orca and edgy, any link? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 16:34:00 -0000 Hi Krishnakant. Funny you should ask. Yesterday afternoon, I added some docs to the Orca wiki. Take a look at the following: http://live.gnome.org/Orca/UbuntuEdgyEft Hopefully it's what you're looking for. If not, or if you have any suggestions/corrections/what have you, do please let me know. Take care. Joanie On Sun, 2006-10-29 at 21:07 +0530, krishnakant Mane wrote: > hello all, > I have just got the edgy cd and now looking at some howto which I can follow. > for an older unstable version of orca, I followed > http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=246334 > but it says that the page is obsolit and there will be a new page. > now since edgy has finally been released, I will like to know if there > are any updates to have orca run (not just on the live cd but on a > permenent basis). > I followed f5 and then 3 for accessibility. > orca did not speak up. > may be some sound card problem? > but after I fix that problem, will this be the way to start orca? > will it then run every time my system boots? or are there different > sets of instructions for configuring and starting orca on an installed > edgy machine? > how is the installer doing now? can I use it? I am totally blind and > can only depend on the speach system. > thanking all. > Krishnakant. > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From SRS0=6wx3=EL=ubuntu.com=henrik@srs.kundenserver.de Mon Oct 30 07:12:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FA5C3B016D for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 07:12:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21375-05 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 07:12:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90B253B0002 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 07:12:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from [81.191.165.41] (helo=[81.191.165.41]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu6) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML29c-1GeVzz2CGp-00071f; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:12:16 +0100 Message-ID: <4545EC24.6060006@ubuntu.com> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:12:20 +0100 From: Henrik Nilsen Omma User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060918) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:8d5020abe73c4c19784bf38f0f038dcc X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.001, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: Cc: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com, Orca screen reader developers Subject: Re: Orca need the latest instructions for orca and edgy, any link? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:12:22 -0000 Hi, I think the best guide is currently in the Orca wiki: http://live.gnome.org/Orca/UbuntuEdgyEft (thanks Joanmarie!) Henrik krishnakant Mane wrote: > hello all, > I have just got the edgy cd and now looking at some howto which I can follow. > for an older unstable version of orca From researchbase@gmail.com Tue Oct 31 00:13:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8707A3B0012 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:13:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23563-03 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:13:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.189]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FC483B0017 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:13:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l36so153055nfa for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:13:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.8.1 with SMTP id l1mr727221nfi.1162271626276; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:13:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.67.9 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:13:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:43:46 +0530 From: "krishnakant Mane" To: "Henrik Nilsen Omma" In-Reply-To: <4545EC24.6060006@ubuntu.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4545EC24.6060006@ubuntu.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.18 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.220, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.18 X-Spam-Level: Cc: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com, Orca screen reader developers Subject: Re: Orca need the latest instructions for orca and edgy, any link? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 05:13:48 -0000 good documentation. I can't find the changes though. I am particularly interested in the accessibility development at the open office side. as I had mentioned previously, formatting information like bold and italics is not spoken out. has the problem been fixt? further more reading an entire document reads by line pauses not sentence pauses. I hoep most problems are fixt. I haven't got a machine yet to install ubuntu 6.10, but managed to run the live cd. could not test much as the machine obviously responded slow. Krishnakant. From krister@kristersplace.ws Tue Oct 31 06:25:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68D6A3B02C1 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 06:25:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13160-05 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 06:25:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mxfep03.bredband.com (mxfep03.bredband.com [195.54.107.76]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81E133B03EF for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 06:25:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ironport.bredband.com ([195.54.107.82] [195.54.107.82]) by mxfep03.bredband.com with ESMTP id <20061031112516.TSYJ25623.mxfep03.bredband.com@ironport.bredband.com> for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:25:16 +0100 Received: from c-6af970d5.018-38-6d6c6d2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO [192.168.0.172]) ([213.112.249.106]) by ironport.bredband.com with ESMTP; 31 Oct 2006 12:25:05 +0100 Message-ID: <454732A9.5020202@kristersplace.ws> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:25:29 +0100 From: Krister Ekstrom User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ubuntu accessibility list X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.2.0 OpenPGP: id=BBE769C5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.464 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.135, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.464 X-Spam-Level: Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Orca Weird problem on my Ubuntu system X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: krister@kristersplace.ws List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:25:21 -0000 Hi folks. First, i'm sorry for the cross posting, but i am at a loss now, and don't know what to do and maybe if one don't know the other one will. I have a wierd problem, to say the least on my Ubuntu system (Latest Edgi, Orca from Cvs and ESpeak but it also occurrs on Festival). The problem i'm having is that every time i go into a menu in Gnome, and it doesn't matter which menu and then arrow down a couple steps, the system crashes and Bug buddy comes up with an error report. This started happening last sunday and as far as i know, i didn't do anything in particular to make this start happening. I'm no programmer, so the techy side of the problem is something i don't understand, unfortunately so can't give you any hacker details. I have a bug buddy error report with most debug symbols in place that i could attach should someone want it, but as i said, me i'm at a loss as to what gives here. Thanks in advance for any hints, questions or info you could pass my way. /Krister From William.Walker@Sun.COM Tue Oct 31 09:04:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B2013B00F5 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 09:04:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23604-02 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 09:04:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A49E03B041C for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 09:04:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from fe-amer-01.sun.com ([192.18.108.175]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k9VE47N7000018 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 07:04:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0J800000171LPZ00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 07:04:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0J8000BTL72UP0V6@mail-amer.sun.com>; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 07:04:07 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 09:04:04 -0500 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <454732A9.5020202@kristersplace.ws> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: krister@kristersplace.ws Message-id: <1162303444.31595.126.camel@ubuntu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <454732A9.5020202@kristersplace.ws> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.588 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.010, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.588 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Ubuntu accessibility list , orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Orca Weird problem on my Ubuntu system X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:04:15 -0000 Hi Krister: I'm going to guess this is gnome-panel crashing. It has a very sad outlook on life and randomly kills itself when it sees an assistive technology running. When one looks at the 492 open bugs on gnome-panel, 35 of them have "crash" in their summary, so I'm guessing gnome-panel is doing some rather complex things that are hard to get right. :-( One of my mottos is "if you want something done right, OR AT ALL, you have to do it yourself." As such, we (the Orca team) may need to be the ones to track this problem down and propose a patch to the gnome-panel folks. If someone else has time and wants to take the lead on this, I have no problem with them doing so. ;-) ;-) ;-) Will On Tue, 2006-10-31 at 12:25 +0100, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > Hi folks. > First, i'm sorry for the cross posting, but i am at a loss now, and > don't know what to do and maybe if one don't know the other one will. > I have a wierd problem, to say the least on my Ubuntu system (Latest > Edgi, Orca from Cvs and ESpeak but it also occurrs on Festival). > The problem i'm having is that every time i go into a menu in Gnome, and > it doesn't matter which menu and then arrow down a couple steps, the > system crashes and Bug buddy comes up with an error report. This started > happening last sunday and as far as i know, i didn't do anything in > particular to make this start happening. I'm no programmer, so the techy > side of the problem is something i don't understand, unfortunately so > can't give you any hacker details. I have a bug buddy error report with > most debug symbols in place that i could attach should someone want it, > but as i said, me i'm at a loss as to what gives here. > Thanks in advance for any hints, questions or info you could pass my way. > /Krister > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From krister@kristersplace.ws Tue Oct 31 09:41:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E826E3B00C3 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 09:41:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26169-07 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 09:41:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mxfep02.bredband.com (mxfep02.bredband.com [195.54.107.73]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAB0D3B00C0 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 09:41:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from ironport.bredband.com ([195.54.107.82] [195.54.107.82]) by mxfep02.bredband.com with ESMTP id <20061031144145.WILJ9734.mxfep02.bredband.com@ironport.bredband.com> for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:41:45 +0100 Received: from c-6af970d5.018-38-6d6c6d2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO [192.168.0.172]) ([213.112.249.106]) by ironport.bredband.com with ESMTP; 31 Oct 2006 15:41:45 +0100 Message-ID: <454760B0.5050700@kristersplace.ws> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:41:52 +0100 From: Krister Ekstrom User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Willie Walker References: <454732A9.5020202@kristersplace.ws> <1162303444.31595.126.camel@ubuntu> In-Reply-To: <1162303444.31595.126.camel@ubuntu> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.2.0 OpenPGP: id=BBE769C5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.471 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.128, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.471 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Ubuntu accessibility list , orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Orca Weird problem on my Ubuntu system X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: krister@kristersplace.ws List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:41:54 -0000 You are right, Will, it seems to be Gnome-panel that acts up. The problem got solved when i installed the regular, not the cvs version of Orca. Too bad, because i really loved the way the "users and groups" bug was solved. The only thing that didn't work, was that Orca didn't anounce the changed status of the check box when pressing the space bar, otherwise it worked fine, but i can't use it, since something goes wrong between orca and gnome-panel. /Krister Willie Walker wrote: > Hi Krister: > > I'm going to guess this is gnome-panel crashing. It has a very sad > outlook on life and randomly kills itself when it sees an assistive > technology running. When one looks at the 492 open bugs on gnome-panel, > 35 of them have "crash" in their summary, so I'm guessing gnome-panel is > doing some rather complex things that are hard to get right. :-( > > One of my mottos is "if you want something done right, OR AT ALL, you > have to do it yourself." As such, we (the Orca team) may need to be the > ones to track this problem down and propose a patch to the gnome-panel > folks. If someone else has time and wants to take the lead on this, I > have no problem with them doing so. ;-) ;-) ;-) > > Will > > On Tue, 2006-10-31 at 12:25 +0100, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >> Hi folks. >> First, i'm sorry for the cross posting, but i am at a loss now, and >> don't know what to do and maybe if one don't know the other one will. >> I have a wierd problem, to say the least on my Ubuntu system (Latest >> Edgi, Orca from Cvs and ESpeak but it also occurrs on Festival). >> The problem i'm having is that every time i go into a menu in Gnome, and >> it doesn't matter which menu and then arrow down a couple steps, the >> system crashes and Bug buddy comes up with an error report. This started >> happening last sunday and as far as i know, i didn't do anything in >> particular to make this start happening. I'm no programmer, so the techy >> side of the problem is something i don't understand, unfortunately so >> can't give you any hacker details. I have a bug buddy error report with >> most debug symbols in place that i could attach should someone want it, >> but as i said, me i'm at a loss as to what gives here. >> Thanks in advance for any hints, questions or info you could pass my way. >> /Krister >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >