From ialbeniz@cbt.es Tue Aug 7 04:40:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBAE73B0012 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 04:40:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: 0.154 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.154 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077, TW_KR=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (NAT!) (up: 2174 hrs), (distance 24, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [217.130.26.68] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cySmYoTll85P for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 04:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atcubic.atcubic.com (atcubic.atcubic.com [217.130.26.68]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20D363B000E for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 04:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atcubic.atcubic.com (localhost.atcubic.com [127.0.0.1]) by atcubic.atcubic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19993364307 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 10:41:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ialbeniz (57.Red-81-45-222.staticIP.rima-tde.net [81.45.222.57]) by atcubic.atcubic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79AF23643B0 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 10:41:25 +0200 (CEST) From: "Iker Perez de Albeniz" To: Subject: Apply diferent styles to diferent own classes.. Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 10:44:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C7D8DF.E7931070" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcfYzyM3vfRR2mN3SsS347RS1IK2Fw== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Message-Id: <20070807084125.79AF23643B0@atcubic.atcubic.com> X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 08:40:41 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C7D8DF.E7931070 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I'm developing a program wich has diferent windows classes, the main window and toolbox windows.. so.. in mi gtkrc file i define: class "GtkWindow" style "Default" and this code makes all windows look similar so what i wan is define diferent styles for my own classes.. for example: in my program i create a HelloWorld class that is a GtkWindow with a button and a label and i want that this class have a diferent style from the main windows... i have read the documentation and apears someething abaut adding a code like this: widget "myownclass" stye "othrestyle" so i tried to do: widget "HelloWorld" style "hello-style" but it doesn't work.... any idea? ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C7D8DF.E7931070 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

I'm developing a program wich has diferent = windows classes, the main window and toolbox windows..

so..

in mi gtkrc file i define:

class "GtkWindow" style "Default"

and this code makes all windows look similar so = what i wan is define diferent styles for my own classes..

for example:


in my program i create a HelloWorld class that is = a GtkWindow with a button and a label and i want that this class have a = diferent style from the main windows...

i have read the documentation and apears = someething abaut adding a code like this:

widget "myownclass" stye "othrestyle" =

so i tried to do:

widget "HelloWorld" style "hello-style" =

but it doesn't = work....

 

any = idea?

------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C7D8DF.E7931070-- From benjamin@sipsolutions.net Tue Aug 7 12:04:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AB223B008E for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 12:04:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.445 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.445 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_GT=0.077, TW_KR=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 1084 hrs), (distance 19, link: ethernet/modem), [195.210.38.204] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VmX+P2kgy94K for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 12:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sipsolutions.net (crystal.sipsolutions.net [195.210.38.204]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7804D3B007E for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 12:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [84.135.245.244] (helo=[10.0.0.6]) by sipsolutions.net with esmtpsa (SSL 3.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_MD5:16) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IIRY2-00030r-Mf; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:04:42 +0100 Subject: Re: Apply diferent styles to diferent own classes.. From: Benjamin Berg To: Iker Perez de Albeniz In-Reply-To: <20070807084125.79AF23643B0@atcubic.atcubic.com> References: <20070807084125.79AF23643B0@atcubic.atcubic.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-gh+w+NtKLQG5eqfZq3mv" Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 16:04:28 +0000 Message-Id: <1186502668.30489.24.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 Cc: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 16:04:49 -0000 --=-gh+w+NtKLQG5eqfZq3mv Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2007-07-08 at 10:44 +0200, Iker Perez de Albeniz wrote: > Hi,=20 >=20 > I'm developing a program wich has diferent windows classes, the main > window and toolbox windows..=20 >=20 > so..=20 >=20 > in mi gtkrc file i define:=20 >=20 > class "GtkWindow" style "Default"=20 >=20 > and this code makes all windows look similar so what i wan is define > diferent styles for my own classes..=20 >=20 > for example:=20 >=20 >=20 > in my program i create a HelloWorld class that is a GtkWindow with a > button and a label and i want that this class have a diferent style > from the main windows...=20 >=20 > i have read the documentation and apears someething abaut adding a > code like this:=20 Have you seen http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt/Tutorials/GtkThemes ? > widget "myownclass" stye "othrestyle"=20 >=20 > so i tried to do:=20 >=20 > widget "HelloWorld" style "hello-style"=20 Sounds like you want to style the widgets inside the "HelloWorld" class differently. So two points to note here: * widget matches on the name of the widget (set with gtk_widget_set_name) and not the name of the class. * The match you would only modify the main window, nothing inside. What you really want is something like: widget_class "HelloWorld.*" style "helloworld-style" This will match against any widget inside your HelloWorld GtkWindow subclass. Benjamin --=-gh+w+NtKLQG5eqfZq3mv Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBGuJgMJddvdAxOva4RAikMAJ4nifehhSlkA2D2zgac/+/uZt/H4QCeN9jz dMxkgdhdgKLBH13ZkZCWvVE= =qMm0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-gh+w+NtKLQG5eqfZq3mv-- From ialbeniz@cbt.es Wed Aug 8 03:45:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 175503B00EF for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 03:45:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.447 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.447 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077, TW_KR=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (NAT!) (up: 2404 hrs), (distance 24, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [217.130.26.68] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id humRnj04loSZ for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 03:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atcubic.atcubic.com (atcubic.atcubic.com [217.130.26.68]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C7403B00CD for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 03:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atcubic.atcubic.com (localhost.atcubic.com [127.0.0.1]) by atcubic.atcubic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCE6036479E; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 09:45:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.122] (57.Red-81-45-222.staticIP.rima-tde.net [81.45.222.57]) by atcubic.atcubic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D6B5364762; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 09:45:56 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Apply diferent styles to diferent own classes.. From: Iker Perez de Albeniz To: Benjamin Berg In-Reply-To: <1186502668.30489.24.camel@localhost> References: <20070807084125.79AF23643B0@atcubic.atcubic.com> <1186502668.30489.24.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 09:45:05 +0200 Message-Id: <1186559105.31560.8.camel@ialbeniz-laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 07:45:11 -0000 El mar, 07-08-2007 a las 16:04 +0000, Benjamin Berg escribió: > On Tue, 2007-07-08 at 10:44 +0200, Iker Perez de Albeniz wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'm developing a program wich has diferent windows classes, the main > > window and toolbox windows.. > > > > so.. > > > > in mi gtkrc file i define: > > > > class "GtkWindow" style "Default" > > > > and this code makes all windows look similar so what i wan is define > > diferent styles for my own classes.. > > > > for example: > > > > > > in my program i create a HelloWorld class that is a GtkWindow with a > > button and a label and i want that this class have a diferent style > > from the main windows... > > > > i have read the documentation and apears someething abaut adding a > > code like this: > > Have you seen http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt/Tutorials/GtkThemes ? > yes i have read it but (maybe becouse my bad english) it was a bit confused for me.. > > > widget "myownclass" stye "othrestyle" > > > > so i tried to do: > > > > widget "HelloWorld" style "hello-style" > > Sounds like you want to style the widgets inside the "HelloWorld" class > differently. So two points to note here: > * widget matches on the name of the widget (set with > gtk_widget_set_name) and not the name of the class. > * The match you would only modify the main window, nothing inside. > > What you really want is something like: > > widget_class "HelloWorld.*" style "helloworld-style" > > This will match against any widget inside your HelloWorld GtkWindow > subclass. > > > Benjamin I think i have try it but doesn work... for example, this is the main.cpp: ----------------------------------- #include #include "mainWindow.h" int main (int argc, char *argv[]) { Gtk::Main kit(argc, argv); Gtk::RC rc_style("./skin/gtkrc"); Gtk::RC::reparse_all(); mainWindow window; window.set_name("Principal"); Gtk::Main::run(window); return 0; } ------------------------------------ then in mainWindow.cpp i define the name of a GtkHBox: ------------------ ... m_Box_Window.set_name("WindowBorder"); m_Box_Window.set_size_request(700, 32); m_Box_Top.pack_start(m_Box_Window, Gtk::PACK_SHRINK); ... ----------------- and finaly in the gtkrc file y put the lines: -------------------------------------------- style "Aero-WindowBorder" { bg_pixmap[NORMAL] = "bg_menu.png" } widget_class "Principal.WindowBorder" style "Aero-WindowBorder" ----------------------------------------------- to set the backgroun of the HBox.. but deosn't work.. From benjamin@sipsolutions.net Wed Aug 8 15:58:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24A933B0205 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 15:58:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.445 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.445 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_GT=0.077, TW_KR=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 1112 hrs), (distance 19, link: ethernet/modem), [195.210.38.204] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4KzAEppOJ2qR for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 15:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sipsolutions.net (crystal.sipsolutions.net [195.210.38.204]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C58B93B01A8 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 15:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [84.135.222.163] (helo=[10.0.0.6]) by sipsolutions.net with esmtpsa (SSL 3.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_MD5:16) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IIrfx-0006E6-Qy; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 20:58:38 +0100 Subject: Re: Apply diferent styles to diferent own classes.. From: Benjamin Berg To: Iker Perez de Albeniz In-Reply-To: <1186559105.31560.8.camel@ialbeniz-laptop> References: <20070807084125.79AF23643B0@atcubic.atcubic.com> <1186502668.30489.24.camel@localhost> <1186559105.31560.8.camel@ialbeniz-laptop> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-0afk3pyn/TCixJW5lJEQ" Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:58:22 +0000 Message-Id: <1186603102.30489.57.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 Cc: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:58:44 -0000 --=-0afk3pyn/TCixJW5lJEQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 09:45 +0200, Iker Perez de Albeniz wrote: > El mar, 07-08-2007 a las 16:04 +0000, Benjamin Berg escribi=C3=B3: > > Have you seen http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt/Tutorials/GtkThemes ? > >=20 >=20 > yes i have read it but (maybe becouse my bad english) it was a bit > confused for me.. Hm, OK. It could probably be improved. (Though don't know how ...) > [snip] > #include > #include "mainWindow.h" >=20 > int main (int argc, char *argv[]) > { >=20 > Gtk::Main kit(argc, argv); > =09 > Gtk::RC rc_style("./skin/gtkrc"); > Gtk::RC::reparse_all();=20 > =09 > mainWindow window; > =09 > window.set_name("Principal"); > =09 > Gtk::Main::run(window); > =09 > return 0; > } > ------------------------------------ >=20 > then in mainWindow.cpp i define the name of a GtkHBox: >=20 > ------------------ > ... > m_Box_Window.set_name("WindowBorder"); > m_Box_Window.set_size_request(700, 32); > m_Box_Top.pack_start(m_Box_Window, Gtk::PACK_SHRINK); > ... > ----------------- Ah, so you are setting the name. And you don't have a custom subclass as I first thought. > and finaly in the gtkrc file y put the lines: >=20 > -------------------------------------------- > style "Aero-WindowBorder" > { >=20 > bg_pixmap[NORMAL] =3D "bg_menu.png" >=20 > } >=20 > widget_class "Principal.WindowBorder" style "Aero-WindowBorder" > ----------------------------------------------- >=20 > to set the backgroun of the HBox.. but deosn't work.. OK. As you are setting names on the widget, then the "widget" match is what you want. Also, a box cannot have a background image set on it. You will need to use a GtkEventBox or similar. widget "*.WindowBorder" style "..." But as said earlier, this will not change anything because the box does not draw any background image. Benjamin PS: I guess you are trying to set a background image on some widgets. I have no idea how people usually achieve this. But I see different alternatives to parsing a gtkrc or modifying RC styles. First setting the backing pixmap directly on an event box (gdk_window_set_back_pixmap). Or even creating subclasses and overriding the expose event of the container widget. --=-0afk3pyn/TCixJW5lJEQ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBGuiBdJddvdAxOva4RArpcAJ98aXg74zuYduUS6j0UrxClV0b9wgCfcEUS 2N3+KeADElMXeqrj3tlfqls= =g7mG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-0afk3pyn/TCixJW5lJEQ-- From nisses.mail@home.se Thu Aug 23 07:01:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 307853B00DB for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 07:01:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -0.185 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.185 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (up: 5375 hrs), (distance 23, link: ethernet/modem), [81.228.9.181] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g2Hgi-ERZY6v for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 07:01:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from av7-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (av7-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.181]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B22EA3B0081 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 07:01:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by av7-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id CB3E338956; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:00:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.101]) by av7-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ACB038949; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:00:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (h125n2fls306o1003.telia.com [81.224.179.125]) by smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA53837E47; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:01:22 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <46CD6995.5060100@home.se> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:03:49 +0200 From: Andreas Nilsson User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Subject: Default background Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: andrea.cimitan@gmail.com X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 11:01:28 -0000 Hi all! So, our current default background is still some solid blueish color. That kinds of sucks. :) There has been lots, and lots, and lots of discussing back and forth on #gnome-art regarding what we should use instead, and we really didn't get anywhere. A couple of days ago Garrett sent me a bunch of macro-nature-shots that he said we can use [1]. One particular photo [2] seemed to play very nice together with the clearlooks theme and makes the interfaces stand out very well (and hence produce great screenshots). It's also green and follows the nature theme we discussed at guadec (and the summit before that). I was thinking of using the colors and base shapes from the photo to create a more abstract background, but all my attempts failed miserably. So, as we're running out of time and we need to start produce screenshots for the release notes, does anyone object using garretts photo as a default background for this release? We can bring up the discussion for what we are going to do for 2.22 as soon as we have this release out of the door, but for now, in my role as "art director/dictator" I say we go for this [3]. 1. http://primates.ximian.com/~glesage/public/wallpaper/plants/JPEG/ 2. http://primates.ximian.com/~glesage/public/wallpaper/plants/JPEG/CRW_0859.jpg 3. http://jimmac.musichall.cz/stuff/wall-cleanedup.jpg - Andreas From nisses.mail@home.se Thu Aug 23 07:28:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 072EF3B0081 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 07:28:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -1.11 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.11 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (up: 5376 hrs), (distance 23, link: ethernet/modem), [81.228.9.182] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c5LcyX6rW7DI for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 07:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from av7-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (av7-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69FE63B0010 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 07:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by av7-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 94FBB3894B; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:27:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.102]) by av7-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F27D3822B; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:27:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (h125n2fls306o1003.telia.com [81.224.179.125]) by smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5D2337E4F; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:28:03 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <46CD6FD6.303@home.se> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:30:30 +0200 From: Andreas Nilsson User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Default background References: <46CD6995.5060100@home.se> <53c9bbb20708230421j42d9feaayd8df9c4692e0359e@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <53c9bbb20708230421j42d9feaayd8df9c4692e0359e@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Garrett LeSage X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 11:28:08 -0000 Garrett LeSage wrote: > I think Jakub's cleaned up version is nice. > > A couple of suggestions would be to see about flipping it horizontally > (providing more space and a less distracting background area for the > default desktop icons) and cloning out little distracting dots that > appear in a few places. Other than that, I really like the treatment > that Jakub has done. Yeah, agree about the flipping stuff. Thomas, can you put this in? - Andreas From nisses.mail@home.se Fri Aug 24 05:39:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ED9B3B0103 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 05:39:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -1.11 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.11 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (up: 1394 hrs), (distance 23, link: ethernet/modem), [81.228.8.183] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SOL-3kJVcHRg for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 05:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from av11-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (av11-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.183]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E3473B0135 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 05:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by av11-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 3ADFB38531; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 11:39:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.93]) by av11-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 191E53812B; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 11:39:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (h125n2fls306o1003.telia.com [81.224.179.125]) by smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2F8F37E4C; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 11:39:38 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <46CEA7EF.4000105@home.se> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 11:42:07 +0200 From: Andreas Nilsson User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: andrea.cimitan@gmail.com Subject: Re: Default background References: <46CD6995.5060100@home.se> <53c9bbb20708230421j42d9feaayd8df9c4692e0359e@mail.gmail.com> <46CD6FD6.303@home.se> In-Reply-To: <46CD6FD6.303@home.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Garrett LeSage , gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 09:39:45 -0000 Andreas Nilsson wrote: > Garrett LeSage wrote: > >> I think Jakub's cleaned up version is nice. >> >> A couple of suggestions would be to see about flipping it horizontally >> (providing more space and a less distracting background area for the >> default desktop icons) and cloning out little distracting dots that >> appear in a few places. Other than that, I really like the treatment >> that Jakub has done. >> > Yeah, agree about the flipping stuff. Thomas, can you put this in? > - Andreas Cimi flipped it, cleaned it up a bit and made the colors sync better with Clearlooks. http://cimi.netsons.org/gnome/wallpapers/target13.html - Andreas From nisses.mail@home.se Fri Aug 24 08:26:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C58E3B0074 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:26:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.522 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_SV=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (up: 8030 hrs), (distance 23, link: ethernet/modem), [81.228.8.185] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3ME0vQi1qBhz for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from av12-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (av12-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.185]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 222D23B0086 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by av12-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 3273A386E6; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:26:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.92]) by av12-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0CF83863F; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:23:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (h125n2fls306o1003.telia.com [81.224.179.125]) by smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E89337E42; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:23:26 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <46CECE52.2080603@home.se> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:25:54 +0200 From: Andreas Nilsson User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Garrett LeSage Subject: Re: Default background References: <46CD6995.5060100@home.se> <53c9bbb20708230421j42d9feaayd8df9c4692e0359e@mail.gmail.com> <46CD6FD6.303@home.se> <46CEA7EF.4000105@home.se> <53c9bbb20708240507u29a49b90h41aba00014170e18@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <53c9bbb20708240507u29a49b90h41aba00014170e18@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: andrea.cimitan@gmail.com, gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:26:46 -0000 Garrett LeSage wrote: > On 8/24/07, *Andreas Nilsson* > wrote: > > > Cimi flipped it, cleaned it up a bit and made the colors sync better > with Clearlooks. > http://cimi.netsons.org/gnome/wallpapers/target13.html > > - Andreas > > > > > That looks great! > > Yay for teamwork! Got some more teamwork over here! :) Lapo did some further touchups and color corrections: http://xoomer.alice.it/bat/tmp/wall-cleanedup-soft.jpg This makes it a bit more neutral and suitable for a background, works a bit better with the new clearlooks as well. This is pretty much final then I guess. Where do we put this in svn exactly? - Andreas From andrea.cimitan@gmail.com Fri Aug 24 21:35:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46C713B0088 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:35:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.523 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_SV=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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( [79.0.174.233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d27sm4755384nfh.2007.08.24.18.35.41 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:35:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Default background From: Andrea Cimitan Cc: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <46CECE52.2080603@home.se> References: <46CD6995.5060100@home.se> <53c9bbb20708230421j42d9feaayd8df9c4692e0359e@mail.gmail.com> <46CD6FD6.303@home.se> <46CEA7EF.4000105@home.se> <53c9bbb20708240507u29a49b90h41aba00014170e18@mail.gmail.com> <46CECE52.2080603@home.se> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 03:33:41 +0200 Message-Id: <1188005621.10790.12.camel@hydra.cimi.dtdns.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 01:35:51 -0000 Il giorno ven, 24/08/2007 alle 14.25 +0200, Andreas Nilsson ha scritto: > Garrett LeSage wrote: > > On 8/24/07, *Andreas Nilsson* > > wrote: > > > > > > Cimi flipped it, cleaned it up a bit and made the colors sync better > > with Clearlooks. > > http://cimi.netsons.org/gnome/wallpapers/target13.html > > > > - Andreas > > > > > > > > > > That looks great! > > > > Yay for teamwork! > Got some more teamwork over here! :) > Lapo did some further touchups and color corrections: > http://xoomer.alice.it/bat/tmp/wall-cleanedup-soft.jpg > This makes it a bit more neutral and suitable for a background, works a > bit better with the new clearlooks as well. > This is pretty much final then I guess. Where do we put this in svn exactly? > - Andreas As me and other guys on gnome-art don't like that wallpaper at all, here is a work-in-progress background that looks much better in the top-left, and also it is more abstract being less distractive. 1600x1050 Unmodified: http://cimi.netsons.org/gnome/proposal2.jpg --> RETOUCHED (but too saturated :) ) <-- 3000X2000 http://www.ingral.com.br/~vdepizzol/temp/CRW_9008-2.jpg -- Andrea Cimitan From nisses.mail@home.se Sat Aug 25 07:59:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B55D3B00F9 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 07:59:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.522 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_SV=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (up: 407 hrs), (distance 23, link: ethernet/modem), [81.228.8.181] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id la2cSpJsxRr7 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 07:59:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from av10-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (av10-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.181]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2DC03B00A1 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 07:59:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by av10-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id C2A783878E; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 13:59:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.93]) by av10-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86DF2386E7; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 13:59:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (h125n2fls306o1003.telia.com [81.224.179.125]) by smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3217B37E49; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 13:59:09 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <46D01A22.1070002@home.se> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:01:38 +0200 From: Andreas Nilsson User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrea Cimitan Subject: Re: Default background References: <46CD6995.5060100@home.se> <53c9bbb20708230421j42d9feaayd8df9c4692e0359e@mail.gmail.com> <46CD6FD6.303@home.se> <46CEA7EF.4000105@home.se> <53c9bbb20708240507u29a49b90h41aba00014170e18@mail.gmail.com> <46CECE52.2080603@home.se> <1188005621.10790.12.camel@hydra.cimi.dtdns.net> In-Reply-To: <1188005621.10790.12.camel@hydra.cimi.dtdns.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 11:59:17 -0000 Andrea Cimitan wrote: > Il giorno ven, 24/08/2007 alle 14.25 +0200, Andreas Nilsson ha scritto: > >> Garrett LeSage wrote: >> >>> On 8/24/07, *Andreas Nilsson* >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> Cimi flipped it, cleaned it up a bit and made the colors sync better >>> with Clearlooks. >>> http://cimi.netsons.org/gnome/wallpapers/target13.html >>> >>> - Andreas >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> That looks great! >>> >>> Yay for teamwork! >>> >> Got some more teamwork over here! :) >> Lapo did some further touchups and color corrections: >> http://xoomer.alice.it/bat/tmp/wall-cleanedup-soft.jpg >> This makes it a bit more neutral and suitable for a background, works a >> bit better with the new clearlooks as well. >> This is pretty much final then I guess. Where do we put this in svn exactly? >> - Andreas >> > As me and other guys on gnome-art don't like that wallpaper at all, here > is a work-in-progress background that looks much better in the top-left, > and also it is more abstract being less distractive. > > 1600x1050 Unmodified: http://cimi.netsons.org/gnome/proposal2.jpg > --> RETOUCHED (but too saturated :) ) <-- 3000X2000 > http://www.ingral.com.br/~vdepizzol/temp/CRW_9008-2.jpg > Hi Andrea! Now we're back at square one again. Great! :( Heh, well, not quite. Seriously, we can go for this as it's not that different from the other one and might have some usability advantages (feed me with arguments please, "I don't like it" don't count unless you happen to be Paul Rand) + the colors seems to go a bit better with Clearlooks and gnome-icon-theme. The Big Question Now is how we technically get anything at all to be the default in svn. Help fix this, anyone! - Andreas From andrea.cimitan@gmail.com Sat Aug 25 11:23:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 342CD3B007E for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 11:23:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.523 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_SV=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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( [79.0.174.233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 2sm6670368nfv.2007.08.25.08.23.05 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 25 Aug 2007 08:23:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Default background From: Andrea Cimitan Cc: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <46D01A22.1070002@home.se> References: <46CD6995.5060100@home.se> <53c9bbb20708230421j42d9feaayd8df9c4692e0359e@mail.gmail.com> <46CD6FD6.303@home.se> <46CEA7EF.4000105@home.se> <53c9bbb20708240507u29a49b90h41aba00014170e18@mail.gmail.com> <46CECE52.2080603@home.se> <1188005621.10790.12.camel@hydra.cimi.dtdns.net> <46D01A22.1070002@home.se> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 17:20:31 +0200 Message-Id: <1188055231.7818.7.camel@hydra.cimi.dtdns.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:23:30 -0000 Il giorno sab, 25/08/2007 alle 14.01 +0200, Andreas Nilsson ha scritto: > Andrea Cimitan wrote: > > Il giorno ven, 24/08/2007 alle 14.25 +0200, Andreas Nilsson ha scritto: > > > >> Garrett LeSage wrote: > >> > >>> On 8/24/07, *Andreas Nilsson* >>> > wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> Cimi flipped it, cleaned it up a bit and made the colors sync better > >>> with Clearlooks. > >>> http://cimi.netsons.org/gnome/wallpapers/target13.html > >>> > >>> - Andreas > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> That looks great! > >>> > >>> Yay for teamwork! > >>> > >> Got some more teamwork over here! :) > >> Lapo did some further touchups and color corrections: > >> http://xoomer.alice.it/bat/tmp/wall-cleanedup-soft.jpg > >> This makes it a bit more neutral and suitable for a background, works a > >> bit better with the new clearlooks as well. > >> This is pretty much final then I guess. Where do we put this in svn exactly? > >> - Andreas > >> > > As me and other guys on gnome-art don't like that wallpaper at all, here > > is a work-in-progress background that looks much better in the top-left, > > and also it is more abstract being less distractive. > > > > 1600x1050 Unmodified: http://cimi.netsons.org/gnome/proposal2.jpg > > --> RETOUCHED (but too saturated :) ) <-- 3000X2000 > > http://www.ingral.com.br/~vdepizzol/temp/CRW_9008-2.jpg > > > Hi Andrea! > Now we're back at square one again. Great! :( > > Heh, well, not quite. Seriously, we can go for this as it's not that > different from the other one and might have some usability advantages > (feed me with arguments please, "I don't like it" don't count unless you > happen to be Paul Rand) + the colors seems to go a bit better with > Clearlooks and gnome-icon-theme. > The Big Question Now is how we technically get anything at all to be the > default in svn. Help fix this, anyone! > - Andreas I think we should start from the beginning, too confusion and a lot of people not convinced about those nature wallpapers. For me they are bad @ default. I don't like a green background on my blue theme. And also I don't like vista-like nature wallpapers. I prefer an abstract one. But I'm not alone, ask #gnome-art and see how many guys dislike a leaf as their wallpaper :) I'd prefer to use abstract GPL wallpapers. Less distractive than a leaf. These are GPL/CC so ready-to-use (some of them can be easily modified): http://gnomelook.org/CONTENT/content-files/53268-simple_gnome_muted_fiber.jpg http://gnomelook.org/content/show.php/Babaorum?content=48742 http://gnomelook.org/content/show.php/Ubuntu+Blue?content=30812 http://gnomelook.org/content/show.php/Universal+-+Wallpaper +1280x1024?content=13818 http://gnomelook.org/content/show.php/Simple+Gnome +Wallpaper?content=21611 http://gnomelook.org/content/show.php/Simple+Human?content=29740 Alpha: http://picasaweb.google.com/andrea.cimitan/GnomeWallpapers/photo#5102654677072580354 Nature: http://picasaweb.google.com/andrea.cimitan/GnomeWallpapers -- Andrea Cimitan From benjamin@sipsolutions.net Sat Aug 25 15:23:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D76093B00FA for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:23:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 1519 hrs), (distance 18, link: ethernet/modem), [195.210.38.204] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J-tGzafAkHf6 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sipsolutions.net (crystal.sipsolutions.net [195.210.38.204]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9C683B0003 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [91.5.81.141] (helo=[10.0.0.6]) by sipsolutions.net with esmtpsa (SSL 3.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_MD5:16) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IP1EP-00014B-MM; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 20:23:37 +0100 Subject: Re: Default background From: Benjamin Berg To: Andrea Cimitan In-Reply-To: <1188055231.7818.7.camel@hydra.cimi.dtdns.net> References: <46CD6995.5060100@home.se> <53c9bbb20708230421j42d9feaayd8df9c4692e0359e@mail.gmail.com> <46CD6FD6.303@home.se> <46CEA7EF.4000105@home.se> <53c9bbb20708240507u29a49b90h41aba00014170e18@mail.gmail.com> <46CECE52.2080603@home.se> <1188005621.10790.12.camel@hydra.cimi.dtdns.net> <46D01A22.1070002@home.se> <1188055231.7818.7.camel@hydra.cimi.dtdns.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-GNefK4XLtFlTon8SV1dr" Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 21:23:33 +0200 Message-Id: <1188069813.15502.70.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 Cc: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 19:23:45 -0000 --=-GNefK4XLtFlTon8SV1dr Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 2007-25-08 at 17:20 +0200, Andrea Cimitan wrote: > For me they are bad @ default. I don't like a green background on my > blue theme. And also I don't like vista-like nature wallpapers. > I prefer an abstract one.=20 I would like to pointing out that I find it difficult to believe that you really have the opinion that all nature wallpapers are bad by default. Considering that in the screenshots to show your theme you use a grass background. http://benjamin.sipsolutions.net/screenshots/clearlooks-colored.png Benjamin --=-GNefK4XLtFlTon8SV1dr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBG0IG1JddvdAxOva4RAi25AJ9kMxYX0clowN38SiqC5eETzwiAIACdGb6e ao2wYFMPU+VuU+RxcPfFBAM= =h6LL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-GNefK4XLtFlTon8SV1dr-- From efgiovanini@gmail.com Sat Aug 25 16:43:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B4D03B0188 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:43:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -1.188 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.188 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.223, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_BG=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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( [200.99.138.2]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 39sm11273064agb.2007.08.25.13.43.41 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 25 Aug 2007 13:43:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Default background From: Evandro Fernandes Giovanini To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <46D01A22.1070002@home.se> References: <46CD6995.5060100@home.se> <53c9bbb20708230421j42d9feaayd8df9c4692e0359e@mail.gmail.com> <46CD6FD6.303@home.se> <46CEA7EF.4000105@home.se> <53c9bbb20708240507u29a49b90h41aba00014170e18@mail.gmail.com> <46CECE52.2080603@home.se> <1188005621.10790.12.camel@hydra.cimi.dtdns.net> <46D01A22.1070002@home.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 17:43:38 -0300 Message-Id: <1188074618.11255.10.camel@costanza> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 20:43:54 -0000 Em Sáb, 2007-08-25 às 14:01 +0200, Andreas Nilsson escreveu: > The Big Question Now is how we technically get anything at all to be the > default in svn. Help fix this, anyone! You probably should add the image to the gnome-backgrounds module, and change libgnome to make it the default. You'll want to change at least the following GConf keys in libgnome: /desktop/gnome/background/picture_options set it to "stretched" /desktop/gnome/background/picture_filename set it to "/usr/share/pixmaps/backgrounds/gnome/nature/filename.png" where filename.png is the name of the new wallpaper. :) Cheers, Evandro From suseux@googlemail.com Sat Aug 25 16:59:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E91A93B0003 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:59:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 8914 hrs), (distance 17, link: (Google 2)), [64.233.182.185] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tSvmNUJt-SDy for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:59:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.185]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AA1E3B008E for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f5so921373nfh for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 13:59:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.190.10 with SMTP id n10mr2723683huf.1188075558557; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 13:59:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?86.3.216.166? ( [86.3.216.166]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o30sm2082641ugd.2007.08.25.13.59.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 25 Aug 2007 13:59:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Default background To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 21:59:14 +0100 Message-Id: <1188075554.31748.11.camel@sean-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sean X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 20:59:25 -0000 Here's my proposals and why. http://picasaweb.google.com/SuseUX/GNOME/photo#5102742371492108418 Tango colours with a nice abstract background that dont get in the way. http://picasaweb.google.com/SuseUX/GNOME/photo#5102731960491382866 Background gradient bottom colour is clearlooks bg_select and top colour is Tango blue. Cimi likes this as well and it's a good mix of theme colour consistency and soft background stripes, SVG format. Heres the desktop shot http://img182.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clearlooksabstractideabm7.png SeanW From thos@gnome.org Sat Aug 25 18:38:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3BD23B012D for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 18:38:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.194 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.194 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.193, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, TW_BG=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (NAT!) (up: 7704 hrs), (distance 22, link: IPv6/IPIP), [88.96.30.66] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZG9MnhaLErgg for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 18:38:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orion.thos.me.uk (orion.thos.me.uk [88.96.30.66]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F18033B00FE for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 18:38:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 88-96-30-68.dsl.zen.co.uk ([88.96.30.68] helo=localhost.localdomain) by orion.thos.me.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.63 #1 (Debian)) id 1IP4FT-0007om-W0; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 23:36:56 +0100 Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 23:36:42 +0100 From: Thomas Wood To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Default background Message-ID: <20070825233642.7de4442c@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <1188074618.11255.10.camel@costanza> References: <46CD6995.5060100@home.se> <53c9bbb20708230421j42d9feaayd8df9c4692e0359e@mail.gmail.com> <46CD6FD6.303@home.se> <46CEA7EF.4000105@home.se> <53c9bbb20708240507u29a49b90h41aba00014170e18@mail.gmail.com> <46CECE52.2080603@home.se> <1188005621.10790.12.camel@hydra.cimi.dtdns.net> <46D01A22.1070002@home.se> <1188074618.11255.10.camel@costanza> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.10.0 (GTK+ 2.10.13; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 22:38:16 -0000 On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 17:43:38 -0300 Evandro Fernandes Giovanini wrote: > Em S=E1b, 2007-08-25 =E0s 14:01 +0200, Andreas Nilsson escreveu: > > The Big Question Now is how we technically get anything at all to > > be the default in svn. Help fix this, anyone! >=20 > You probably should add the image to the gnome-backgrounds module, and > change libgnome to make it the default. I was suggesting the Andreas on IRC today that he probably didn't want to do it this way. You could end up with a nasty situation if gnome-backgrounds is not installed. I would suggest installing the background from libgnome. This has the benefit that the schema and the background are installed from the same place. I would also like to suggest installing a small xml file (such as gnome-backgrounds already does) to describe the background. However, it would certainly be worth looking at distributions such as Ubuntu and Fedora to see how they are already installing default backgrounds. We probably do not want to cause any problems if our methods conflict. Regards, Thomas From andrea.cimitan@gmail.com Sat Aug 25 22:35:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 386203B0198 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 22:35:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.523 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 5289 hrs), (distance 15, link: (Google 2)), [209.85.128.190] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1UvpCLRVgAmM for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 22:35:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.190]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D57B23B012D for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 22:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 22so1066771fkq for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 19:35:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.152.16 with SMTP id z16mr10559848bud.1188095744162; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 19:35:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.0.0.2? ( [79.0.174.233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s7sm2466040uge.2007.08.25.19.35.41 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 25 Aug 2007 19:35:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FINAL: All backgrounds proposals From: Andrea Cimitan In-Reply-To: <1188075554.31748.11.camel@sean-desktop> References: <1188075554.31748.11.camel@sean-desktop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 04:33:05 +0200 Message-Id: <1188095585.14973.34.camel@hydra.cimi.dtdns.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: jimmac@musichall.cz, gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 02:35:51 -0000 This will be my last "proposal" but please READ it carefully cause it is the most important from myself. 1) Nature (No) 2) Abstract (Yes) 1) ### "NATURE: WHY NOT" ### I know there was a guideline but we can't follow that guideline if we are unsure and have a lot of question marks on it. In channel #gnome-art I've never saw all of them that agreed on a theme, and the leaf proposed by andreasn looks "ok" but we are confused confused and confused. I can bet 100 beers at the next guadec that people will change it in they same day they bounce into 2.20 version. And this not because the Garret picture is bad (it's fantastic) but because the human eye is disturbed by that amount of green and the details of the leaf. See in our discussions of the last days, everytime we peoposed a noew image someone said "I don't like it, I won't use it etc etc, too details, to flat etc etc" . The GTK gui is simple and with few gradients, the wallpaper has a LOT of "real" details, that makes the eye be noised. Particolary if we choose a macro shot, as Garret's (wonderful) photos. It's not following GNOME HIG, Imho. Gnome has an usable and simple theme, with no images, abstract. The wallpaper need to follow HIG, and be abstract too. So it's not just a "look question" (yes blue looks better as jimmac said). It's a lot more. Btw my favourite one is "Green Meadow" that we have into the default set, I have a 1600x1200 version of it. It's the only one that looks ok with the clearlooks theme, but yes, it has the disavantages of the other leafs. You can find few nature wallpapers here, some retouched in blue (just for joke :) ) http://picasaweb.google.com/andrea.cimitan/GnomeWallpapers/ 2) ### "THE ABSTRACT PROPOSAL: ORIGINAL AND ADAPTABLE" ### 1. An abstract wallpaper could be transparent, to have every color we like 2. An abstract wallpaper is generally liked by more people, as it is less detailed and fits more needs 3. An abstract wallpaper looks _much_ better with a gtk theme 4. No license and scaling problems, as they are done in SVG. They go with every resolution without becoming 3Mb per photo. 5. Something simple is following the gnome HIG much more than a leaf or something else 6. People could stick months with an abstract wallpaper, while probably they will become tired of an image/panorama 7. The minimalistic/abstract is the glamour/fashion of the moment, see the number of downloads in deviantart or in every other website. This should be the marketing of the 2007. OSx tiger and Panther got the "blue aqua wallpaper" which was downloaded billions of time because of it neutral look, which goes well with every theme and feel comfortable on the eye. 8. An abstract wallpaper is original, while a leaf seems to remind OSX leopard or Vista (bad wallpapers by the way). My proposals, (I like the third). 2°, 3°, 4° are done by me in inkscape +gimp from scratch, so they are 100% GPL (and much more original than a leaf). Notice: I've the svg of ALL those wallpapers, so they can be transparent and for every resolution, and match _EVERY_ theme. http://picasaweb.google.com/andrea.cimitan/AbstractWallpapers/ Cheers Andrea From calamandrei@gmail.com Sun Aug 26 06:43:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E433A3B009A for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 06:43:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 4328 hrs), (distance 13, link: (Google 2)), [209.85.146.178] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZNzeQwunhMXP for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 06:43:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.178]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 149ED3B0018 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 06:43:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id v27so1668381wah for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 03:43:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.61.1 with SMTP id o1mr1054793wak.1188124982361; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 03:43:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.153.7 with HTTP; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 03:43:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <94973b0a0708260343o4f729c77ib2935c7fb793ca31@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 12:43:02 +0200 From: "Lapo Calamandrei" To: "Andrea Cimitan" Subject: Re: FINAL: All backgrounds proposals In-Reply-To: <1188095585.14973.34.camel@hydra.cimi.dtdns.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1188075554.31748.11.camel@sean-desktop> <1188095585.14973.34.camel@hydra.cimi.dtdns.net> Cc: jimmac@musichall.cz, gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 10:43:07 -0000 I'm not sure your rationale against nature wallpapers works, It's mostly a personal taste issue. I like the garrett leaf, and it can nicelly work as a wallpaper since it's a macro photo and it doesn't have so many details, but it needs some touchups. Anyway space may be an issue and so if we want to go for an abstarct bg I'd choose the 3rd or the 4th in your selection. Andreas, what do you think? Ciao Lapo From andrea.cimitan@gmail.com Sun Aug 26 07:37:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FA7A3B00D8 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 07:37:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.523 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 9060 hrs), (distance 17, link: (Google 2)), [64.233.182.186] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n5y4cxwEewoh for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 07:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.186]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E57353B007B for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 07:37:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f5so958492nfh for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 04:37:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.185.15 with SMTP id i15mr2976037huf.1188128245424; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 04:37:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.0.0.2? ( [79.0.174.233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k28sm3072678ugd.2007.08.26.04.37.23 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 04:37:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: FINAL: All backgrounds proposals From: Andrea Cimitan In-Reply-To: <94973b0a0708260343o4f729c77ib2935c7fb793ca31@mail.gmail.com> References: <1188075554.31748.11.camel@sean-desktop> <1188095585.14973.34.camel@hydra.cimi.dtdns.net> <94973b0a0708260343o4f729c77ib2935c7fb793ca31@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 13:34:30 +0200 Message-Id: <1188128071.6450.3.camel@hydra.cimi.dtdns.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: jimmac@musichall.cz, gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 11:37:32 -0000 Il giorno dom, 26/08/2007 alle 12.43 +0200, Lapo Calamandrei ha scritto: > I'm not sure your rationale against nature wallpapers works, It's > mostly a personal taste issue. I like the garrett leaf, and it can > nicelly work as a wallpaper since it's a macro photo and it doesn't > have so many details, but it needs some touchups. Anyway space may be > an issue and so if we want to go for an abstarct bg I'd choose the 3rd > or the 4th in your selection. Andreas, what do you think? > Absolutely not just tastes. See the 8 points to support abstract wallz. Usability, customizable colors (when users will change their gtk theme in the future), originality, space, resizable/scalable, long-term usage (months/years), and gnome HIG. A comparison of the two wallz with various colors (see how tango colors look better with the tango blue of the abstact wallpaper): http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8793/schermatawa8.png http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/2973/schermata2zx8.png Obviusly an abstract wallpaper could go green if you want, and the users could still customize it if they prefer the blue :) I'm ready to bet with that direction (also after seeing the success of the Apple aqua wallpaper), and I will push new nature wallpapers when we will have something really good on our hands. With a wallpaper that convince us _totally_, not just some of them. Ready for 2.22 baby? :) Now the only one that looks fine with clearlooks and other themes is "GreenMeadow", the big leaf is nice but its gradients and details makes it less adaptable chamging wallpapers > Ciao > Lapo > Hi dudes -- Andrea Cimitan From nisses.mail@home.se Sun Aug 26 07:51:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F51A3B007B for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 07:51:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.522 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_GT=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (up: 5448 hrs), (distance 23, link: ethernet/modem), [81.228.9.181] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TwJYJdyhq-8K for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 07:51:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from av7-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (av7-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.181]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7B0A3B00D8 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 07:51:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by av7-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 552C2380F0; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 13:50:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.101]) by av7-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04CA337E5B; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 13:50:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (h125n2fls306o1003.telia.com [81.224.179.125]) by smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91A6937E45; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 13:51:21 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <46D169D0.8080205@home.se> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 13:53:52 +0200 From: Andreas Nilsson User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrea Cimitan Subject: Re: FINAL: All backgrounds proposals References: <1188075554.31748.11.camel@sean-desktop> <1188095585.14973.34.camel@hydra.cimi.dtdns.net> <94973b0a0708260343o4f729c77ib2935c7fb793ca31@mail.gmail.com> <1188128071.6450.3.camel@hydra.cimi.dtdns.net> In-Reply-To: <1188128071.6450.3.camel@hydra.cimi.dtdns.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 11:51:29 -0000 Andrea Cimitan wrote: > Il giorno dom, 26/08/2007 alle 12.43 +0200, Lapo Calamandrei ha > scritto: > >> I'm not sure your rationale against nature wallpapers works, It's >> mostly a personal taste issue. I like the garrett leaf, and it can >> nicelly work as a wallpaper since it's a macro photo and it doesn't >> have so many details, but it needs some touchups. Anyway space may be >> an issue and so if we want to go for an abstarct bg I'd choose the 3rd >> or the 4th in your selection. Andreas, what do you think? >> >> > Absolutely not just tastes. See the 8 points to support abstract wallz. > Usability, customizable colors (when users will change their gtk theme > in the future), originality, space, resizable/scalable, long-term usage > (months/years), and gnome HIG. > > A comparison of the two wallz with various colors (see how tango colors > look better with the tango blue of the abstact wallpaper): > http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8793/schermatawa8.png > http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/2973/schermata2zx8.png > Hi Andrea! http://www.ingral.com.br/~vdepizzol/temp/CRW_9008-2.jpg This is the one I'm pushing into trunk (the process seems to be a bit hard though, fixes need to go into different modules and stuff...). Sorry for any confusion. - Andreas From andrea.cimitan@gmail.com Sun Aug 26 07:55:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DC6E3B00D8 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 07:55:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.523 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 9063 hrs), (distance 17, link: (Google 2)), [64.233.182.188] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8rmm9CnGwVOg for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 07:55:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.188]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D090C3B007B for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 07:55:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f5so959526nfh for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 04:55:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.157.19 with SMTP id f19mr2994616hue.1188129300792; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 04:55:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.0.0.2? ( [79.0.174.233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e23sm3135328ugd.2007.08.26.04.54.59 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 04:54:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: FINAL: All backgrounds proposals From: Andrea Cimitan Cc: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <46D169D0.8080205@home.se> References: <1188075554.31748.11.camel@sean-desktop> <1188095585.14973.34.camel@hydra.cimi.dtdns.net> <94973b0a0708260343o4f729c77ib2935c7fb793ca31@mail.gmail.com> <1188128071.6450.3.camel@hydra.cimi.dtdns.net> <46D169D0.8080205@home.se> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 13:52:04 +0200 Message-Id: <1188129124.6569.0.camel@hydra.cimi.dtdns.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 11:55:10 -0000 Il giorno dom, 26/08/2007 alle 13.53 +0200, Andreas Nilsson ha scritto: > Andrea Cimitan wrote: > > Il giorno dom, 26/08/2007 alle 12.43 +0200, Lapo Calamandrei ha > > scritto: > > > >> I'm not sure your rationale against nature wallpapers works, It's > >> mostly a personal taste issue. I like the garrett leaf, and it can > >> nicelly work as a wallpaper since it's a macro photo and it doesn't > >> have so many details, but it needs some touchups. Anyway space may be > >> an issue and so if we want to go for an abstarct bg I'd choose the 3rd > >> or the 4th in your selection. Andreas, what do you think? > >> > >> > > Absolutely not just tastes. See the 8 points to support abstract wallz. > > Usability, customizable colors (when users will change their gtk theme > > in the future), originality, space, resizable/scalable, long-term usage > > (months/years), and gnome HIG. > > > > A comparison of the two wallz with various colors (see how tango colors > > look better with the tango blue of the abstact wallpaper): > > http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8793/schermatawa8.png > > http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/2973/schermata2zx8.png > > > Hi Andrea! > http://www.ingral.com.br/~vdepizzol/temp/CRW_9008-2.jpg > This is the one I'm pushing into trunk (the process seems to be a bit > hard though, fixes need to go into different modules and stuff...). > Sorry for any confusion. > - Andreas Thanks for have supported my ideas. -- Andrea Cimitan From tigert@tigert.com Sun Aug 26 08:12:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D56813B007B for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 08:12:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -1.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.299 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.300, BAYES_50=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 950 hrs), (distance 12, link: ethernet/modem), [209.160.36.40] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XJQgJRUj7jb8 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 08:12:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vector.xyxx.com (vector.xyxx.com [209.160.36.40]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10EB33B0002 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 08:12:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 818940 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2007 12:12:24 -0000 Received: from nblzone-208-37.nblnetworks.fi (HELO ?192.168.1.20?) (tigert@tigert.com@83.145.208.37) by vector.xyxx.com with ESMTPA; 26 Aug 2007 12:12:24 -0000 Message-ID: <46D16E46.5020909@tigert.com> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 15:12:54 +0300 From: Tuomas Kuosmanen User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070403) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: FINAL: All backgrounds proposals References: <1188075554.31748.11.camel@sean-desktop> <1188095585.14973.34.camel@hydra.cimi.dtdns.net> In-Reply-To: <1188095585.14973.34.camel@hydra.cimi.dtdns.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: jimmac@musichall.cz X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 12:12:36 -0000 Andrea Cimitan wrote: > See in our discussions of the last days, everytime we peoposed a noew > image someone said "I don't like it, I won't use it etc etc, too > details, to flat etc etc" . > The GTK gui is simple and with few gradients, the wallpaper has a LOT of > "real" details, that makes the eye be noised. Well. This is exactly the problem: There is always someone who is disagreeing, no matter what you create. We have seen over the years that "design by committee" does not really work at all. How about trusting Andreas on this? He's been doing nice work, and he has spent quite a lot of effort by adapting and cleaning up Garrett's photograph into a wallpaper. If we want to keep artists like him around, we really need to pay attention to this. > Particolary if we choose a macro shot, as Garret's (wonderful) photos. > It's not following GNOME HIG, Imho. Saying "its not following the HIG" just because you don't like it personally does not really work. I don't think the leaf wallpaper has anything wrong in the "HIG" sense. It does not have too many details as to make icon labels hard to read, and it is not distracting. Plus green is a nice, pleasant colour to look at. The blue gradient wallpapers are nice too, but they look almost too shy to me - as to not poke any reaction from anyone. We want to make a fresh, good impression when the user logs in the first time. > Gnome has an usable and simple theme, with no images, abstract. > The wallpaper need to follow HIG, and be abstract too. The "Visual Design" section of the HIG does not speak about "abstract" at all. And I found nothing in there that would claim the leaf wallpaper would be unacceptable in any way. Please, if you refer to the HIG, refer to the HIG, don't just pull stuff out of your hat :-) > 2) ### "THE ABSTRACT PROPOSAL: ORIGINAL AND ADAPTABLE" ### > 2. An abstract wallpaper is generally liked by more people, as it is > less detailed and fits more needs > ... Since you put a lot of bullet points here, it would be nice to see some proof to these claims also? Have you tested different wallpapers (we artists on #gnome-themes do not count, as we already have our own preference) //Tuomas From benjamin@sipsolutions.net Wed Aug 29 15:16:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B11F3B002C; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:16:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 1615 hrs), (distance 18, link: ethernet/modem), [195.210.38.204] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dcJhyHgpRTkN; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sipsolutions.net (crystal.sipsolutions.net [195.210.38.204]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87AF23B0093; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [91.5.123.124] (helo=[10.0.0.6]) by sipsolutions.net with esmtpsa (SSL 3.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_MD5:16) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IQT13-0005P5-UY; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:15:50 +0100 Subject: GTK+ Theming improvements From: Benjamin Berg To: GTK Devel List , gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-9ab31L5jLTdvVaC9qw11" Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:15:43 +0200 Message-Id: <1188414943.15502.162.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:16:14 -0000 --=-9ab31L5jLTdvVaC9qw11 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, So here finally an E-Mail about the GTK+ theming discussion we had at the start of GUADEC and some things I picked up. In the discussion CSS had been mentioned a lot of times to a large extend because of the matching abilities that it has. It is possible to match on the hierarchy and also neighbours. Neighbour matching is impossible in GTK+ currently and it would with theming paddings between widgets. Also in CSS/HTML an item can have multiple classes. Here are some of the main points/ideas:=20 * Multiple themes in one application (eg. theme preview, glade) * Instead of having the support directly in GTK+ create a common library that can be used by Firefox, OpenOffice and maybe even KDE/QT * Don't use pixel sizes -- The maemo people designed the interface in millimetre, however this is not that useful on a desktop machine. * Separating positioning of widgets out of the application, and into the theme. * No non-transparent X windows if possible * 3D widgets, eg. lighting effects, or when rotating workspaces=20 * Solid animation support and transition effects. (imagine eg. an animation when a menu item is activated, or handling an opening expander) There is also http://live.gnome.org/GTK%2B/NewThemeApi (which needs to be updated) but I this is a pretty complete list. I think an interesting thing to discuss is the scope of any system. It was suggested that the theme should be able to handle large parts of the UI design. Other things that could be handled by themes include application graphics (eg. nautilus disk usage pie chart) or the metacity window frames. As a way forward it is important to know what a CSS based theme format might look like. Andreas Nilson has said he could help in this area. Other than this any ideas and comments are of course welcome. To help the overall process, I can try to keep the wiki in sync with any arguments that are brought up. Benjamin --=-9ab31L5jLTdvVaC9qw11 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBG1cXeJddvdAxOva4RAiQVAJ9Mzy9d05LEOq24zFWAFOJKO43ZRACfQzxP +6rjk/sX+U3eO3dX9Fib8l4= =XpfW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-9ab31L5jLTdvVaC9qw11-- From xavier.bestel@free.fr Wed Aug 29 17:27:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D7CB3B027B for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:27:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.441 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.441 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.023, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (NAT!) (firewall!) (up: 8 hrs), (distance 21, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [193.252.22.29] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VRhidqg51Ety for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:27:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp20.orange.fr (smtp20.orange.fr [193.252.22.29]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 543403B009F for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:27:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf2017.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0E16D1C00094 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:26:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from awak.dyndns.org (AGrenoble-257-1-54-65.w86-206.abo.wanadoo.fr [86.206.29.65]) by mwinf2017.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id F380F1C0008A; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:26:25 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20070829212625997.F380F1C0008A@mwinf2017.orange.fr Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=[192.168.4.170] ident=stunnel4) by awak.dyndns.org with asmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1IQV46-0006Dx-00; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:27:06 +0200 Subject: Re: GTK+ Theming improvements From: Xavier Bestel To: Benjamin Berg In-Reply-To: <1188414943.15502.162.camel@localhost> References: <1188414943.15502.162.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:26:24 +0200 Message-Id: <1188422785.6190.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: GTK Devel List , gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:27:34 -0000 On mer, 2007-08-29 at 21:15 +0200, Benjamin Berg wrote: > As a way forward it is important to know what a CSS based theme format > might look like. I'm sure it would look a lot like XUL's chrome files. http://www.mozilla.org/projects/xul/ Xav From internalerror@gmail.com Thu Aug 30 00:43:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E9B43B0009 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:43:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.299 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_BASE64_NO_NAME=0.224, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 5228 hrs), (distance 15, link: (Google 2)), [209.85.146.180] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Lu22D0KZtnAA for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.180]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D8543B0005 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j4so698084wah for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:43:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.156.1 with SMTP id d1mr95948wae.1188448998920; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:43:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.175.9 with HTTP; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:43:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 06:43:18 +0200 From: "Milosz Derezynski" To: "=?UTF-8?Q?Rui_Tiago_Ca=C3=A7=C3=A3o_Matos?=" Subject: Re: GTK+ Theming improvements In-Reply-To: <1188425570.3043.8.camel@hive> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline References: <1188414943.15502.162.camel@localhost> <1188425570.3043.8.camel@hive> Cc: GTK Devel List , gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 04:43:25 -0000 VGhlIHBvaW50IGFib3V0IHNwYXRpYWwgYXdhcmVuZXNzIGhpdCBpdCByaWdodCBvbiB0aGUgc3Bv dCByZWFsbHk7Cmp1c3QgYXMgYSB0aHJvdyBpbiwgaSB0aGluayBzb21ldGhpbmcgbGlrZSB0aGlz IGhlcmUgc2hvdWxkIChzaG91bGQgYXMKaW4sIGl0IHNob3VsZCBiZSBhIGdvYWwgdG8gbWFrZSBp dCBwb3NzaWJsZSkgZG9hYmxlOgoKaHR0cDovL2Z1dHVyZXBhc3QuZnJlZS5mci9idXR0b25ib3gu cG5nCgpPbiA4LzMwLzA3LCBSdWkgVGlhZ28gQ2HDp8OjbyBNYXRvcyA8dGlhZ29tYXRvc0BnbWFp bC5jb20+IHdyb3RlOgo+IE9uIFF1YSwgMjAwNy0wOC0yOSBhdCAyMToxNSArMDIwMCwgQmVuamFt aW4gQmVyZyB3cm90ZToKPiA+IE5laWdoYm91ciBtYXRjaGluZyBpcyBpbXBvc3NpYmxlIGluIEdU SysgY3VycmVudGx5IGFuZCBpdCB3b3VsZCB3aXRoCj4gPiB0aGVtaW5nIHBhZGRpbmdzIGJldHdl ZW4gd2lkZ2V0cy4KPgo+IFNvcnJ5LCBJIGNhbid0IGZvbGxvdyB5b3Ugb24gdGhpcyBzZW50ZW5j ZS4KPgo+ID4gKiBTZXBhcmF0aW5nIHBvc2l0aW9uaW5nIG9mIHdpZGdldHMgb3V0IG9mIHRoZSBh cHBsaWNhdGlvbiwgYW5kCj4gPiAgICAgICAgIGludG8gdGhlIHRoZW1lLgo+Cj4gVGhpcyBpcyB2 ZXJ5IGludGVyZXN0aW5nLiBJTU8gdGhlIHByb2dyYW1tZXIgc2hvdWxkbid0IG5lZWQgdG8gd29y cnkKPiBhYm91dCBVSSBkZXNpZ24gb3IgdGhpbmdzIGxpa2UgdGhlIEhJRy4gSWYgdGhlcmUgd2Fz IGEgbWVhbnMgYnkgd2l0Y2gKPiB0aGUgcHJvZ3JhbW1lciBjb3VsZCBzcGVjaWZ5IHRoZSBhY3Rp b25zIGFuZCBhc3NvY2lhdGVkIGRhdGEgKHRoZQo+IHNlbWFudGljcykgdGhlbiBhbm90aGVyIGxh eWVyIGNvdWxkIGFwcGx5IGEgc3R5bGUgc2hlZXQgdG8gaXQgdG8KPiBnZW5lcmF0ZSB0aGUgaW50 ZXJmYWNlLiBNYXliZSB0aGVyZSBzaG91bGQgYmUgdHdvIHR5cGVzIG9mIHN0eWxlIHNoZWV0cywK PiBvbmUgc3BlY2lmaWMgdG8gdGhlIHByb2dyYW0gKGFuYWxvZ291cyB0byBhIGdsYWRlIGZpbGUp IGFuZCBhIGdlbmVyYWwKPiBvbmUgd2hpY2ggd291bGQgZW5jb21wYXNzIHdoYXQgd2UgdG9kYXkg Y2FsbCBhIHRoZW1lIGFuZCB3aGljaCBjb3VsZAo+IGVuZm9yY2UgdGhlIEhJRy4KPgo+ID4gSSB0 aGluayBhbiBpbnRlcmVzdGluZyB0aGluZyB0byBkaXNjdXNzIGlzIHRoZSBzY29wZSBvZiBhbnkg c3lzdGVtLiBJdAo+ID4gd2FzIHN1Z2dlc3RlZCB0aGF0IHRoZSB0aGVtZSBzaG91bGQgYmUgYWJs ZSB0byBoYW5kbGUgbGFyZ2UgcGFydHMgb2YgdGhlCj4gPiBVSSBkZXNpZ24uIE90aGVyIHRoaW5n cyB0aGF0IGNvdWxkIGJlIGhhbmRsZWQgYnkgdGhlbWVzIGluY2x1ZGUKPiA+IGFwcGxpY2F0aW9u IGdyYXBoaWNzIChlZy4gbmF1dGlsdXMgZGlzayB1c2FnZSBwaWUgY2hhcnQpIG9yIHRoZSBtZXRh Y2l0eQo+ID4gd2luZG93IGZyYW1lcy4KPgo+IFRoaXMgaXMgc29tZXRoaW5nIHRoYXQgSSd2ZSB0 aGlua2luZyBvZiBsYXRlbHk6IHdoeSBjYW4ndCBhcHBsaWNhdGlvbnMKPiBiZSBpbiBjb250cm9s IG9mIHRoZWlyIHdpbmRvdyBkZWNvcmF0aW9ucz8gVGhlIHdpbmRvdyBtYW5hZ2VyIGNvdWxkIGJl Cj4gdGhlcmUgZG9pbmcgYWxsIGl0J3Mgbm9uIHZpc2libGUgd29yayBhbnl3YXkgYnV0IHRoZSBh cHAgKG9mIGNvdXJzZSBJJ20KPiB0aGlua2luZyB0aGUgdG9vbGtpdCBoZXJlKSBjb3VsZCBkbyBh bGwgdGhlIGRyYXdpbmcgYW5kIHRodXMgYmUgaW4KPiBjb21wbGV0ZSBjb250cm9sIG92ZXIgaXQn cyBpbnRlcmZhY2UsIG1lYW5pbmcgdGhhdCB0aGUgZnVuY3Rpb25hbGl0eSBhbmQKPiB0aGUgYXBw ZWFyYW5jZSBvZiB0aGUgZGVjb3JhdGlvbnMgY291bGQgYmUgbXVjaCBtb3JlIGludGVncmF0ZWQg d2l0aCBhcHAKPiBpdHNlbGYuCj4KPiBBbnl3YXkgSSBvZnRlbiBkcmlmdCBpbnRvIG92ZXItZW5n aW5lZXJpbmcgOi0pIEJUVywgYWxsIG9mIHRoaXMgaXMKPiBvYnZpb3VzbHkgMy4wIG1hdGVyaWFs LiBJIGJlbGlldmUgdGhlc2UgdGhlbWluZyBpbXByb3ZlbWVudHMgYXJlIGFsc28/Cj4KPiBSdWkK Pgo+Cj4gX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KPiBn dGstZGV2ZWwtbGlzdCBtYWlsaW5nIGxpc3QKPiBndGstZGV2ZWwtbGlzdEBnbm9tZS5vcmcKPiBo dHRwOi8vbWFpbC5nbm9tZS5vcmcvbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby9ndGstZGV2ZWwtbGlzdAo+Cj4K Pgo= From benjamin@sipsolutions.net Fri Aug 31 11:45:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F1383B0121; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 11:45:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 1660 hrs), (distance 18, link: ethernet/modem), [195.210.38.204] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d-8-iwVieifc; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 11:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sipsolutions.net (crystal.sipsolutions.net [195.210.38.204]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D8743B011D; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 11:45:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [91.5.81.116] (helo=[10.0.0.6]) by sipsolutions.net with esmtpsa (SSL 3.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_MD5:16) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IR8gF-0008HS-7F; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:45:08 +0100 Subject: Re: GTK+ Theming improvements From: Benjamin Berg To: Alberto Ruiz In-Reply-To: <46c5a0950708301842j363c499di4029cc16002b63ee@mail.gmail.com> References: <1188414943.15502.162.camel@localhost> <1188425570.3043.8.camel@hive> <46c5a0950708301842j363c499di4029cc16002b63ee@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-E+F1w9b2xLzYHiutNvMV" Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:44:58 +0200 Message-Id: <1188575098.14842.50.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 Cc: GTK Devel List , gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:45:22 -0000 --=-E+F1w9b2xLzYHiutNvMV Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2007-31-08 at 02:42 +0100, Alberto Ruiz wrote: >=20 >=20 > 2007/8/30, Milosz Derezynski : > The point about spatial awareness hit it right on the spot > really; > just as a throw in, i think something like this here should > (should as > in, it should be a goal to make it possible) doable: > =20 > http://futurepast.free.fr/buttonbox.png >=20 > That would actually rock for the native Mac OS X theme (we need a > theme for the ongoing port though), since the tabs used in cocoa > behave exactly like that. It would allow to improve the highlight for > multiple selections as well. Do we need to break Gtk to achieve this?=20 As the engine gets the widget that is passed in you can do crazy hacks based on that. I have actually implemented a hack like this for the toolbar once. But to get this right what one needs is a way for applications to hint where it makes sense to draw buttons connected, or where it should not happen. So this is something that I think needs a generic API to set hints (to some extend attaching data to the widget could work today), and a carefully designed specification that both themes and applications can implement independently. Benjamin --=-E+F1w9b2xLzYHiutNvMV Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBG2Dd6JddvdAxOva4RAu+vAJ4jbkGVWg6ybNEKQXFy0pYV5g7uVACfSZWN uXVxhyTbGoUYhC+6eXAsK0c= =G0wk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-E+F1w9b2xLzYHiutNvMV-- From internalerror@gmail.com Fri Aug 31 14:09:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81F903B0076 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:09:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 8100 hrs), (distance 13, link: (Google 2)), [209.85.198.186] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oB-TItB37wjA for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:09:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.186]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCDAE3B00EA for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:09:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k20so466396rvb for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 11:09:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.93.16 with SMTP id v16mr1732115wal.1188583766352; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 11:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.175.9 with HTTP; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 11:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:09:26 +0200 From: "Milosz Derezynski" To: "Alberto Ruiz" Subject: Re: GTK+ Theming improvements In-Reply-To: <46c5a0950708301842j363c499di4029cc16002b63ee@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1188414943.15502.162.camel@localhost> <1188425570.3043.8.camel@hive> <46c5a0950708301842j363c499di4029cc16002b63ee@mail.gmail.com> Cc: GTK Devel List , gnome-themes-list@gnome.org, =?UTF-8?Q?Rui_Tiago_Ca=C3=A7=C3=A3o_Matos?= X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 18:09:59 -0000 Hey Alberto, I thought about it further and it would be also possible with the current Gtk+; the outer buttons would just need to render themselves in a different way, and with current API and internals, the API user would need to make sure of that; furthermore give the box a spacing of 0px, and then it should (almost) work. Almost, because each button would still draw a border for itself, so the border between the inner buttons wouldn't look exactly the same, as in the mockup. Ultimately, the theme rendering should take care of all this though; i don't really know the Aqua APIs for the tabs (yeah you're right the tabs on OS X look like this :), but i'm sure the API user (on OS X) doesn't need to create the outer tabs as different widgets than the other tabs (probably he doesn't create them at all in the simple version of the API, but the point is the same still). On 8/31/07, Alberto Ruiz wrote: > > > 2007/8/30, Milosz Derezynski : > > The point about spatial awareness hit it right on the spot really; > > just as a throw in, i think something like this here should (should as > > in, it should be a goal to make it possible) doable: > > > > http://futurepast.free.fr/buttonbox.png > > That would actually rock for the native Mac OS X theme (we need a theme for > the ongoing port though), since the tabs used in cocoa behave exactly like > that. It would allow to improve the highlight for multiple selections as > well. Do we need to break Gtk to achieve this? > > > -- > Un saludo, > Alberto Ruiz From pcjc2@cam.ac.uk Fri Aug 31 15:09:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98BA23B010A for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:09:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 1518 hrs), (distance 23, link: ethernet/modem), [131.111.8.136] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XX9yUYwT4esC for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:08:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppsw-6.csi.cam.ac.uk (ppsw-6.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.136]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 053B43B00CD for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:08:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Cam-SpamDetails: Not scanned X-Cam-AntiVirus: No virus found X-Cam-ScannerInfo: http://www.cam.ac.uk/cs/email/scanner/ Received: from dsl-217-155-45-158.zen.co.uk ([217.155.45.158]:53701 helo=[192.168.2.8]) by ppsw-6.csi.cam.ac.uk (smtp.hermes.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.156]:465) with esmtpsa (LOGIN:pcjc2) (SSLv3:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) id 1IRBrG-0003LX-KG (Exim 4.67) for gnome-themes-list@gnome.org (return-path ); Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:08:42 +0100 Subject: Re: GTK+ Theming improvements From: Peter Clifton To: gnome-themes-list In-Reply-To: References: <1188414943.15502.162.camel@localhost> <1188425570.3043.8.camel@hive> <46c5a0950708301842j363c499di4029cc16002b63ee@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:08:56 +0100 Message-Id: <1188587336.11606.9.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.11.91 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 19:09:03 -0000 On Fri, 2007-08-31 at 20:09 +0200, Milosz Derezynski wrote: > Hey Alberto, > > I thought about it further and it would be also possible with the > current Gtk+; the outer buttons would just need to render themselves > in a different way, and with current API and internals, the API user > would need to make sure of that; furthermore give the box a spacing of > 0px, and then it should (almost) work. > > Almost, because each button would still draw a border for itself, so > the border between the inner buttons wouldn't look exactly the same, > as in the mockup. Could a sensible (IE - like it is at present) tree-view header be constructed out of similarly conjoined buttons, or is there further themeing required? (Assuming we could switch off the corner rounding and pre-lighting at will). -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) From internalerror@gmail.com Fri Aug 31 15:41:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40CFA3B0299 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:41:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 5618 hrs), (distance 13, link: (Google 2)), [209.85.146.178] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XUj+XYfCsgsp for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.178]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DB8E3B02E1 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:41:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j4so1520419wah for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 12:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.90.1 with SMTP id s1mr1141304wal.1188589279687; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 12:41:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.175.9 with HTTP; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 12:41:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 21:41:19 +0200 From: "Milosz Derezynski" To: "Peter Clifton" Subject: Re: GTK+ Theming improvements In-Reply-To: <1188586904.11606.2.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1188414943.15502.162.camel@localhost> <1188425570.3043.8.camel@hive> <46c5a0950708301842j363c499di4029cc16002b63ee@mail.gmail.com> <1188586904.11606.2.camel@localhost> Cc: Alberto Ruiz , GTK Devel List , gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 19:41:52 -0000 Nope. That's what Aaron's post is all about: http://abock.org/2007/07/02/suboptimal-theming-in-gtk/ On 8/31/07, Peter Clifton wrote: > > On Fri, 2007-08-31 at 20:09 +0200, Milosz Derezynski wrote: > > Hey Alberto, > > > > I thought about it further and it would be also possible with the > > current Gtk+; the outer buttons would just need to render themselves > > in a different way, and with current API and internals, the API user > > would need to make sure of that; furthermore give the box a spacing of > > 0px, and then it should (almost) work. > > > > Almost, because each button would still draw a border for itself, so > > the border between the inner buttons wouldn't look exactly the same, > > as in the mockup. > > Could a sensible (IE - like it is at present) tree-view header be > constructed out of similarly conjoined buttons, or is there further > themeing required? (Assuming we could switch off the corner rounding and > pre-lighting at will). > > -- > Peter Clifton > > Electrical Engineering Division, > Engineering Department, > University of Cambridge, > 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, > Cambridge > CB3 0FA > > Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) > > From benjamin@sipsolutions.net Fri Aug 31 15:41:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0BAA3B0344; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:41:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 1663 hrs), (distance 18, link: ethernet/modem), [195.210.38.204] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ItvowMXymnx4; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:41:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sipsolutions.net (crystal.sipsolutions.net [195.210.38.204]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5507B3B0290; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [91.5.81.116] (helo=[10.0.0.6]) by sipsolutions.net with esmtpsa (SSL 3.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_MD5:16) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IRCMQ-0001HE-D1; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:40:59 +0100 Subject: Re: GTK+ Theming improvements From: Benjamin Berg To: Peter Clifton In-Reply-To: <1188586904.11606.2.camel@localhost> References: <1188414943.15502.162.camel@localhost> <1188425570.3043.8.camel@hive> <46c5a0950708301842j363c499di4029cc16002b63ee@mail.gmail.com> <1188586904.11606.2.camel@localhost> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-Vl4mDco1RSqQ/uu5iG4c" Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 21:40:38 +0200 Message-Id: <1188589238.14842.54.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 Cc: GTK Devel List , gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 19:41:55 -0000 --=-Vl4mDco1RSqQ/uu5iG4c Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2007-31-08 at 20:01 +0100, Peter Clifton wrote: > Could a sensible (IE - like it is at present) tree-view header be > constructed out of similarly conjoined buttons, or is there further > themeing required? (Assuming we could switch off the corner rounding and > pre-lighting at will). Maybe I am misunderstanding something here, but the headers of GtkTreeView are basically normal buttons with special theming applied to them. Also note that any kind of rounding is done on the theme level, and GTK+ and the application does not control or know about it. Benjamin --=-Vl4mDco1RSqQ/uu5iG4c Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBG2G62JddvdAxOva4RAs+BAJ9fNVLjJCuWiu3IPd59hw83QKW9EgCcCip9 UMRIiJENCmP4ms9eZQH2x7M= =FOfn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-Vl4mDco1RSqQ/uu5iG4c-- From pcjc2@cam.ac.uk Fri Aug 31 16:18:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82E653B007B; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:18:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (up: 11318 hrs), (distance 23, link: ethernet/modem), [131.111.8.133] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Qu0jOR3xcGb8; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:18:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppsw-3.csi.cam.ac.uk (ppsw-3.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.133]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A15C93B006C; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:18:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Cam-SpamDetails: Not scanned X-Cam-AntiVirus: No virus found X-Cam-ScannerInfo: http://www.cam.ac.uk/cs/email/scanner/ Received: from dsl-217-155-45-158.zen.co.uk ([217.155.45.158]:55917 helo=[192.168.2.8]) by ppsw-3.csi.cam.ac.uk (smtp.hermes.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.153]:465) with esmtpsa (LOGIN:pcjc2) (SSLv3:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) id 1IRCwL-0000IF-Ct (Exim 4.63) (return-path ); Fri, 31 Aug 2007 21:18:02 +0100 Subject: Re: GTK+ Theming improvements From: Peter Clifton To: Milosz Derezynski In-Reply-To: References: <1188414943.15502.162.camel@localhost> <1188425570.3043.8.camel@hive> <46c5a0950708301842j363c499di4029cc16002b63ee@mail.gmail.com> <1188586904.11606.2.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 21:18:11 +0100 Message-Id: <1188591491.12143.9.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.11.91 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Alberto Ruiz , GTK Devel List , gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:18:55 -0000 On Fri, 2007-08-31 at 21:41 +0200, Milosz Derezynski wrote: > On 8/31/07, Peter Clifton wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2007-08-31 at 20:09 +0200, Milosz Derezynski wrote: > > > Hey Alberto, > > > > > > I thought about it further and it would be also possible with the > > > current Gtk+; the outer buttons would just need to render themselves > > > in a different way, and with current API and internals, the API user > > > would need to make sure of that; furthermore give the box a spacing of > > > 0px, and then it should (almost) work. > > > > > > Almost, because each button would still draw a border for itself, so > > > the border between the inner buttons wouldn't look exactly the same, > > > as in the mockup. > > > > Could a sensible (IE - like it is at present) tree-view header be > > constructed out of similarly conjoined buttons, or is there further > > themeing required? (Assuming we could switch off the corner rounding and > > pre-lighting at will). > > Nope. That's what Aaron's post is all about: > http://abock.org/2007/07/02/suboptimal-theming-in-gtk/ I didn't mean is it possible with the current code, rather - would getting support for "conjoined" widgets provide a sufficient interface for drawing tree view headers. Whilst the widgets don't know about rounding, the application programmer is in a unique position to specify via some API or "hint" that widgets belong together. (I think this is much less the case in the button example posted actually though, that case would be a theme decision I believe). By specifying - either at the theme level, or widget implementation / application level, that a particular widget expects to be drawn closely against another one should be enough to control the spacings and corner rounding. At the application (or widget implementation) level, we might add a flag to a button which makes it expect to be packed tight against another widget. This would turn off rounding on those tightly packed sides. Perhaps this hinting could be a properly of the container widgets were being packed into. My question was... is this enough to do everything a tree-view header special-cases? I'm not familiar with that widget's code. Kind regards, -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) From andrea.cimitan@gmail.com Fri Aug 24 10:14:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF8AC3B00B2 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 10:14:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.523 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_SV=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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( [79.0.174.233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p30sm1055472hub.2007.08.24.07.13.59 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 07:14:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Default background From: Andrea Cimitan To: Andreas Nilsson In-Reply-To: <46CECE52.2080603@home.se> References: <46CD6995.5060100@home.se> <53c9bbb20708230421j42d9feaayd8df9c4692e0359e@mail.gmail.com> <46CD6FD6.303@home.se> <46CEA7EF.4000105@home.se> <53c9bbb20708240507u29a49b90h41aba00014170e18@mail.gmail.com> <46CECE52.2080603@home.se> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:12:44 +0200 Message-Id: <1187964764.6829.1.camel@hydra.cimi.dtdns.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 07:15:31 -0400 Cc: Garrett LeSage , gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:14:09 -0000 Il giorno ven, 24/08/2007 alle 14.25 +0200, Andreas Nilsson ha scritto: > Garrett LeSage wrote: > > On 8/24/07, *Andreas Nilsson* > > wrote: > > > > > > Cimi flipped it, cleaned it up a bit and made the colors sync better > > with Clearlooks. > > http://cimi.netsons.org/gnome/wallpapers/target13.html > > > > - Andreas > > > > > > > > > > That looks great! > > > > Yay for teamwork! > Got some more teamwork over here! :) > Lapo did some further touchups and color corrections: > http://xoomer.alice.it/bat/tmp/wall-cleanedup-soft.jpg > This makes it a bit more neutral and suitable for a background, works a > bit better with the new clearlooks as well. > This is pretty much final then I guess. Where do we put this in svn exactly? > - Andreas It's still too saturated... take a look at icons in the topleft, the contrast between them and the green background will destroy the eyes of a lot of users. "Gnome will cause blindness", we will see on slashdot. -- Andrea Cimitan From arclnx@gmail.com Thu Aug 30 21:43:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DA2A3B0173 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:43:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.225 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.225 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_30_40=0.374, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 3447 hrs), (distance 13, link: (Google 2)), [66.249.82.226] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t6ts8SD5-hqt for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.226]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECC6C3B0188 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:43:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h26so589786wxd for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:42:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.52.18 with SMTP id z18mr1382222agz.1188524534053; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:42:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.70.6 with HTTP; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:42:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46c5a0950708301842j363c499di4029cc16002b63ee@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 02:42:14 +0100 From: "Alberto Ruiz" Sender: arclnx@gmail.com To: "Milosz Derezynski" Subject: Re: GTK+ Theming improvements In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4430_30828593.1188524534016" References: <1188414943.15502.162.camel@localhost> <1188425570.3043.8.camel@hive> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4c8032ebedd1791d X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 07:16:03 -0400 Cc: GTK Devel List , gnome-themes-list@gnome.org, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rui_Tiago_Ca=E7=E3o_Matos?= X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 01:43:07 -0000 ------=_Part_4430_30828593.1188524534016 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline 2007/8/30, Milosz Derezynski : > > The point about spatial awareness hit it right on the spot really; > just as a throw in, i think something like this here should (should as > in, it should be a goal to make it possible) doable: > > http://futurepast.free.fr/buttonbox.png That would actually rock for the native Mac OS X theme (we need a theme for the ongoing port though), since the tabs used in cocoa behave exactly like that. It would allow to improve the highlight for multiple selections as well. Do we need to break Gtk to achieve this? -- Un saludo, Alberto Ruiz ------=_Part_4430_30828593.1188524534016 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

2007/8/30, Milosz Derezynski <internalerror@gmail.com>:
The point about spatial awareness hit it right on the spot really;
just as a throw in, i think something like this here should (should as
in, it should be a goal to make it possible) doable:

http://futurepast.free.fr/buttonbox.png

That would actually rock for the native Mac OS X theme (we need a theme for the ongoing port though), since the tabs  used in cocoa  behave exactly like that. It would allow to improve the highlight for multiple selections as well. Do we need to break Gtk to achieve this?


--
Un saludo,
Alberto Ruiz ------=_Part_4430_30828593.1188524534016-- From lievenvanderheide@gmail.com Fri Aug 31 07:27:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A3553B0113 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 07:27:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.523 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 5536 hrs), (distance 13, link: (Google 2)), [209.85.146.177] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T-lVLSomjRkp for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 07:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.177]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8A3E3B00C4 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 07:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j4so1371580wah for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 04:26:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.78.1 with SMTP id a1mr692974wab.1188559599427; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 04:26:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.77.17 with HTTP; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 04:26:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3e5a56b90708310426v2960010et1db2b7d5d16d833c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 13:26:39 +0200 From: "Lieven van der Heide" To: "Benjamin Berg" Subject: Re: GTK+ Theming improvements In-Reply-To: <1188414943.15502.162.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1188414943.15502.162.camel@localhost> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 07:16:38 -0400 Cc: GTK Devel List , gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 11:27:44 -0000 As for the general rendering of widgets, I think the current way of letting the widget itself do the drawing, using a bunch of primitives (ie. boxes, frames, etc.), and then letting the theme engines theme just those primitives, instead of the whole widget, has shown to not really work. What most theme engines seem to be doing now, is kind of reverse engeneer those draw calls, and then render the theming in their own way, which often is quite different from what the widget actually thought is was drawing. I think it would be better if each widget just has it's own, specific rendering class, which has a single function that should render the complete widget at once. (this way, you kind of get a model/view seperation inside controls). Themes can then override this rendering class, and have complete freedom inside the render function of that rendering class. Each renderer should also have a default implementation, which renders the widget in a default way, using lower level rendering classes, which render things like edges and boxes. If a theme engine doesn't implement a specific widget's rendering class, but it did implement the lower level ones, then it will still be rendered using something that fits your theme (basically in the same way it's supposed to work now). It should also be possible for a renderer to use the renderer of another (more basic) widget ,for example, a treeview could use the button renderer as the default renderer for it's column headers. pseudo code for the default renderer of a checkbox: class CheckBoxRenderer { struct Params_s { int state; string label; } virtual void render(GdkDrawable target,Params_s params) { // default implementation that uses the generic renderer GenericRenderer generic_renderer = get_renderer(GENERIC_RENDERER); generic_renderer.render_box(target,Rect(0,0,16,16)); if(params.state) { generic_renderer.draw_check(target,Rect(0,0,16,16)); } generic_renderer.draw_text(target,Point(24,0),params.label); } } In this example, overriding the generic renderer class will let you do theming in the way it's done right now, overriding the CheckBoxRenderer will give you complete freedom over the way you want to render the checkbox To still be able to set up some generic theming things, that will be used by On 8/29/07, Benjamin Berg wrote: > Hello, > > So here finally an E-Mail about the GTK+ theming discussion we had at > the start of GUADEC and some things I picked up. > > In the discussion CSS had been mentioned a lot of times to a large > extend because of the matching abilities that it has. It is possible to > match on the hierarchy and also neighbours. Neighbour matching is > impossible in GTK+ currently and it would with theming paddings between > widgets. Also in CSS/HTML an item can have multiple classes. > > Here are some of the main points/ideas: > * Multiple themes in one application (eg. theme preview, glade) > * Instead of having the support directly in GTK+ create a common > library that can be used by Firefox, OpenOffice and maybe even > KDE/QT > * Don't use pixel sizes -- The maemo people designed the interface > in millimetre, however this is not that useful on a desktop > machine. > * Separating positioning of widgets out of the application, and > into the theme. > * No non-transparent X windows if possible > * 3D widgets, eg. lighting effects, or when rotating workspaces > * Solid animation support and transition effects. (imagine eg. an > animation when a menu item is activated, or handling an opening > expander) > > There is also http://live.gnome.org/GTK%2B/NewThemeApi (which needs to > be updated) but I this is a pretty complete list. > > I think an interesting thing to discuss is the scope of any system. It > was suggested that the theme should be able to handle large parts of the > UI design. Other things that could be handled by themes include > application graphics (eg. nautilus disk usage pie chart) or the metacity > window frames. > > > As a way forward it is important to know what a CSS based theme format > might look like. Andreas Nilson has said he could help in this area. > Other than this any ideas and comments are of course welcome. > > To help the overall process, I can try to keep the wiki in sync with any > arguments that are brought up. > > Benjamin > > _______________________________________________ > gtk-devel-list mailing list > gtk-devel-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list > > > From garrettl@gmail.com Fri Aug 24 08:07:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15A573B0074 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:07:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (Google crawlbot) (firewall!) (up: 1241 hrs), (distance 14, link: (Google 2)), [64.233.184.224] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u7peYKAg05Wz for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.224]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38B7E3B0071 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 69so592969wra for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 05:07:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.104.14 with SMTP id b14mr5180910agc.1187957264856; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 05:07:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.178.10 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 05:07:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <53c9bbb20708240507u29a49b90h41aba00014170e18@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:07:44 -0400 From: "Garrett LeSage" To: "Andreas Nilsson" Subject: Re: Default background In-Reply-To: <46CEA7EF.4000105@home.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_159504_3923506.1187957264816" References: <46CD6995.5060100@home.se> <53c9bbb20708230421j42d9feaayd8df9c4692e0359e@mail.gmail.com> <46CD6FD6.303@home.se> <46CEA7EF.4000105@home.se> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 07:18:20 -0400 Cc: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:07:50 -0000 ------=_Part_159504_3923506.1187957264816 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 8/24/07, Andreas Nilsson wrote: > > > Cimi flipped it, cleaned it up a bit and made the colors sync better > with Clearlooks. > http://cimi.netsons.org/gnome/wallpapers/target13.html > > - Andreas > That looks great! Yay for teamwork! Garrett ------=_Part_159504_3923506.1187957264816 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
On 8/24/07, Andreas Nilsson <nisses.mail@home.se> wrote:

Cimi flipped it, cleaned it up a bit and made the colors sync better
with Clearlooks.
http://cimi.netsons.org/gnome/wallpapers/target13.html

- Andreas


 
That looks great!

Yay for teamwork!

 
Garrett
------=_Part_159504_3923506.1187957264816-- From garrettl@gmail.com Fri Aug 24 08:46:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA00D3B009A for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:46:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.026 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.026 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_40_50=0.496, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_SV=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 5377 hrs), (distance 15, link: (Google 2)), [209.85.132.246] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OzVibEijYL+P for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:46:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.246]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 086C73B006E for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:46:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c34so88416anc for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 05:46:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.118.8 with SMTP id q8mr693086agc.1187959581427; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 05:46:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.178.10 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 05:46:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <53c9bbb20708240546x4190f0c3l47ccbd9a942c4b33@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:46:21 -0400 From: "Garrett LeSage" To: "Andreas Nilsson" Subject: Re: Default background In-Reply-To: <46CECE52.2080603@home.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_159785_17044820.1187959581350" References: <46CD6995.5060100@home.se> <53c9bbb20708230421j42d9feaayd8df9c4692e0359e@mail.gmail.com> <46CD6FD6.303@home.se> <46CEA7EF.4000105@home.se> <53c9bbb20708240507u29a49b90h41aba00014170e18@mail.gmail.com> <46CECE52.2080603@home.se> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 07:18:40 -0400 Cc: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:46:26 -0000 ------=_Part_159785_17044820.1187959581350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 8/24/07, Andreas Nilsson wrote: > > Got some more teamwork over here! :) > Lapo did some further touchups and color corrections: > http://xoomer.alice.it/bat/tmp/wall-cleanedup-soft.jpg > This makes it a bit more neutral and suitable for a background, works a > bit better with the new clearlooks as well. > This is pretty much final then I guess. Where do we put this in svn > exactly? Hmm, there's still a dot on the main vein on the left side that I would clone out. Garrett ------=_Part_159785_17044820.1187959581350 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
On 8/24/07, Andreas Nilsson <nisses.mail@home.se> wrote:
Got some more teamwork over here! :)
Lapo did some further touchups and color corrections:
http://xoomer.alice.it/bat/tmp/wall-cleanedup-soft.jpg
This makes it a bit more neutral and suitable for a background, works a
bit better with the new clearlooks as well.
This is pretty much final then I guess. Where do we put this in svn exactly?


Hmm, there's still a dot on the main vein on the left side that I would clone out.

Garrett
------=_Part_159785_17044820.1187959581350-- From mwelinder@gmail.com Wed Aug 29 15:42:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F6A03B0005 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:42:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.329 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.329 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.271, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 3365 hrs), (distance 17, link: (Google 2)), [66.249.92.175] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ERvyvfCUhIZi for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:42:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.175]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78AF23B006E for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:42:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id c2so142484ugf for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:41:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.149.13 with SMTP id w13mr584249hud.1188416493928; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:41:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.172.2 with HTTP; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:41:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <118833cc0708291241j6ff4a018k54c504861757737d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:41:33 -0400 From: "Morten Welinder" To: "Benjamin Berg" Subject: Re: GTK+ Theming improvements In-Reply-To: <1188414943.15502.162.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1188414943.15502.162.camel@localhost> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 07:19:12 -0400 Cc: GTK Devel List , gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:42:36 -0000 The thing I miss from your list is how to make sure themes' code does not crash the innocent application into which they get loaded. There have been several rounds of obscure bug reports for Gnumeric that basically came down to theme code bugs. Morten From pcjc2@cam.ac.uk Fri Aug 31 15:01:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5097C3B006C; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:01:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 1518 hrs), (distance 23, link: ethernet/modem), [131.111.8.136] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QOkXrztymr6O; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppsw-6.csi.cam.ac.uk (ppsw-6.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.136]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8BB33B0076; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:01:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Cam-SpamDetails: Not scanned X-Cam-AntiVirus: No virus found X-Cam-ScannerInfo: http://www.cam.ac.uk/cs/email/scanner/ Received: from dsl-217-155-45-158.zen.co.uk ([217.155.45.158]:59947 helo=[192.168.2.8]) by ppsw-6.csi.cam.ac.uk (smtp.hermes.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.156]:465) with esmtpsa (LOGIN:pcjc2) (SSLv3:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) id 1IRBkI-0001RL-Ki (Exim 4.67) (return-path ); Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:01:30 +0100 Subject: Re: GTK+ Theming improvements From: Peter Clifton To: Milosz Derezynski In-Reply-To: References: <1188414943.15502.162.camel@localhost> <1188425570.3043.8.camel@hive> <46c5a0950708301842j363c499di4029cc16002b63ee@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:01:44 +0100 Message-Id: <1188586904.11606.2.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.11.91 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 07:20:26 -0400 Cc: Alberto Ruiz , GTK Devel List , gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 19:01:43 -0000 On Fri, 2007-08-31 at 20:09 +0200, Milosz Derezynski wrote: > Hey Alberto, > > I thought about it further and it would be also possible with the > current Gtk+; the outer buttons would just need to render themselves > in a different way, and with current API and internals, the API user > would need to make sure of that; furthermore give the box a spacing of > 0px, and then it should (almost) work. > > Almost, because each button would still draw a border for itself, so > the border between the inner buttons wouldn't look exactly the same, > as in the mockup. Could a sensible (IE - like it is at present) tree-view header be constructed out of similarly conjoined buttons, or is there further themeing required? (Assuming we could switch off the corner rounding and pre-lighting at will). -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) From suseux@googlemail.com Thu Aug 23 08:24:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 997EC3B00DB for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:24:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 8561 hrs), (distance 17, link: (Google 2)), [66.249.90.181] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9hfhFcmQgF18 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:24:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ik-out-1112.google.com (ik-out-1112.google.com [66.249.90.181]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74C503B02AB for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:24:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ik-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c28so177189ika for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 05:24:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.183.15 with SMTP id g15mr1169668huf.1187871862447; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 05:24:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?86.3.216.166? ( [86.3.216.166]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 30sm923642hue.2007.08.23.05.24.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 23 Aug 2007 05:24:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: New Ideas To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:24:18 +0100 Message-Id: <1187871858.30361.6.camel@sean-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 07:22:07 -0400 X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:24:27 -0000 Hello all, I hope to contribute new ideas and artwork. You can look here for some mockups and ideas for now(mostly unfinished and for 2.22) of mine http://picasaweb.google.com/SuseUX/GNOME Sean Wilson From tiagomatos@gmail.com Wed Aug 29 18:13:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D67593B0009; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:13:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -1.689 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.689 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.293, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=1.069] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 1942 hrs), (distance 25, link: ethernet/modem), [193.136.173.3] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VsvY1hHnxag6; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:13:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgpmail.ua.pt (frontend-2.servers.ua.pt [193.136.173.3]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6137C3B00FB; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [213.146.223.113] (account rui.matos@ua.pt HELO hive) by frontend-2.cgpmail.ua.pt (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.10) with ESMTPSA id 77505297; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:12:58 +0100 Received-SPF: neutral receiver=frontend-2.cgpmail.ua.pt; client-ip=213.146.223.113; envelope-from=tiagomatos@gmail.com Received: by hive (Postfix, from userid 500) id 4BC168FE43; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:12:51 +0100 (WEST) Subject: Re: GTK+ Theming improvements From: Rui Tiago =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ca=E7=E3o?= Matos To: Benjamin Berg In-Reply-To: <1188414943.15502.162.camel@localhost> References: <1188414943.15502.162.camel@localhost> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-TTNsP8zecP2RFxIsPHnr" Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:12:50 +0100 Message-Id: <1188425570.3043.8.camel@hive> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 (2.10.3-2.fc7) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 07:22:35 -0400 Cc: GTK Devel List , gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:13:15 -0000 --=-TTNsP8zecP2RFxIsPHnr Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Qua, 2007-08-29 at 21:15 +0200, Benjamin Berg wrote: > Neighbour matching is impossible in GTK+ currently and it would with > theming paddings between widgets. Sorry, I can't follow you on this sentence.=20 > * Separating positioning of widgets out of the application, and > into the theme. This is very interesting. IMO the programmer shouldn't need to worry about UI design or things like the HIG. If there was a means by witch the programmer could specify the actions and associated data (the semantics) then another layer could apply a style sheet to it to generate the interface. Maybe there should be two types of style sheets, one specific to the program (analogous to a glade file) and a general one which would encompass what we today call a theme and which could enforce the HIG. > I think an interesting thing to discuss is the scope of any system. It > was suggested that the theme should be able to handle large parts of the > UI design. Other things that could be handled by themes include > application graphics (eg. nautilus disk usage pie chart) or the metacity > window frames. This is something that I've thinking of lately: why can't applications be in control of their window decorations? The window manager could be there doing all it's non visible work anyway but the app (of course I'm thinking the toolkit here) could do all the drawing and thus be in complete control over it's interface, meaning that the functionality and the appearance of the decorations could be much more integrated with app itself. Anyway I often drift into over-engineering :-) BTW, all of this is obviously 3.0 material. I believe these theming improvements are also? Rui --=-TTNsP8zecP2RFxIsPHnr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBG1e9fXaUaaGdkBb0RAvWeAKCbu7f81dz1KOUqUxzuVFsvwoCPBgCfXQYe PnBc2wKl0sZ76xIn7DrBmwE= =2Jx4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-TTNsP8zecP2RFxIsPHnr-- From ialbeniz@cbt.es Tue Aug 7 04:40:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBAE73B0012 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 04:40:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: 0.154 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.154 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077, TW_KR=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (NAT!) (up: 2174 hrs), (distance 24, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [217.130.26.68] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cySmYoTll85P for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 04:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atcubic.atcubic.com (atcubic.atcubic.com [217.130.26.68]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20D363B000E for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 04:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atcubic.atcubic.com (localhost.atcubic.com [127.0.0.1]) by atcubic.atcubic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19993364307 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 10:41:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ialbeniz (57.Red-81-45-222.staticIP.rima-tde.net [81.45.222.57]) by atcubic.atcubic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79AF23643B0 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 10:41:25 +0200 (CEST) From: "Iker Perez de Albeniz" To: Subject: Apply diferent styles to diferent own classes.. Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 10:44:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C7D8DF.E7931070" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcfYzyM3vfRR2mN3SsS347RS1IK2Fw== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Message-Id: <20070807084125.79AF23643B0@atcubic.atcubic.com> X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 08:40:41 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C7D8DF.E7931070 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I'm developing a program wich has diferent windows classes, the main window and toolbox windows.. so.. in mi gtkrc file i define: class "GtkWindow" style "Default" and this code makes all windows look similar so what i wan is define diferent styles for my own classes.. for example: in my program i create a HelloWorld class that is a GtkWindow with a button and a label and i want that this class have a diferent style from the main windows... i have read the documentation and apears someething abaut adding a code like this: widget "myownclass" stye "othrestyle" so i tried to do: widget "HelloWorld" style "hello-style" but it doesn't work.... any idea? ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C7D8DF.E7931070 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

I'm developing a program wich has diferent = windows classes, the main window and toolbox windows..

so..

in mi gtkrc file i define:

class "GtkWindow" style "Default"

and this code makes all windows look similar so = what i wan is define diferent styles for my own classes..

for example:


in my program i create a HelloWorld class that is = a GtkWindow with a button and a label and i want that this class have a = diferent style from the main windows...

i have read the documentation and apears = someething abaut adding a code like this:

widget "myownclass" stye "othrestyle" =

so i tried to do:

widget "HelloWorld" style "hello-style" =

but it doesn't = work....

 

any = idea?

------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C7D8DF.E7931070-- From benjamin@sipsolutions.net Tue Aug 7 12:04:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AB223B008E for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 12:04:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.445 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.445 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_GT=0.077, TW_KR=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 1084 hrs), (distance 19, link: ethernet/modem), [195.210.38.204] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VmX+P2kgy94K for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 12:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sipsolutions.net (crystal.sipsolutions.net [195.210.38.204]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7804D3B007E for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 12:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [84.135.245.244] (helo=[10.0.0.6]) by sipsolutions.net with esmtpsa (SSL 3.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_MD5:16) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IIRY2-00030r-Mf; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:04:42 +0100 Subject: Re: Apply diferent styles to diferent own classes.. From: Benjamin Berg To: Iker Perez de Albeniz In-Reply-To: <20070807084125.79AF23643B0@atcubic.atcubic.com> References: <20070807084125.79AF23643B0@atcubic.atcubic.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-gh+w+NtKLQG5eqfZq3mv" Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 16:04:28 +0000 Message-Id: <1186502668.30489.24.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 Cc: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 16:04:49 -0000 --=-gh+w+NtKLQG5eqfZq3mv Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2007-07-08 at 10:44 +0200, Iker Perez de Albeniz wrote: > Hi,=20 >=20 > I'm developing a program wich has diferent windows classes, the main > window and toolbox windows..=20 >=20 > so..=20 >=20 > in mi gtkrc file i define:=20 >=20 > class "GtkWindow" style "Default"=20 >=20 > and this code makes all windows look similar so what i wan is define > diferent styles for my own classes..=20 >=20 > for example:=20 >=20 >=20 > in my program i create a HelloWorld class that is a GtkWindow with a > button and a label and i want that this class have a diferent style > from the main windows...=20 >=20 > i have read the documentation and apears someething abaut adding a > code like this:=20 Have you seen http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt/Tutorials/GtkThemes ? > widget "myownclass" stye "othrestyle"=20 >=20 > so i tried to do:=20 >=20 > widget "HelloWorld" style "hello-style"=20 Sounds like you want to style the widgets inside the "HelloWorld" class differently. So two points to note here: * widget matches on the name of the widget (set with gtk_widget_set_name) and not the name of the class. * The match you would only modify the main window, nothing inside. What you really want is something like: widget_class "HelloWorld.*" style "helloworld-style" This will match against any widget inside your HelloWorld GtkWindow subclass. Benjamin --=-gh+w+NtKLQG5eqfZq3mv Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBGuJgMJddvdAxOva4RAikMAJ4nifehhSlkA2D2zgac/+/uZt/H4QCeN9jz dMxkgdhdgKLBH13ZkZCWvVE= =qMm0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-gh+w+NtKLQG5eqfZq3mv-- From ialbeniz@cbt.es Wed Aug 8 03:45:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 175503B00EF for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 03:45:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.447 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.447 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077, TW_KR=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (NAT!) (up: 2404 hrs), (distance 24, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [217.130.26.68] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id humRnj04loSZ for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 03:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atcubic.atcubic.com (atcubic.atcubic.com [217.130.26.68]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C7403B00CD for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 03:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atcubic.atcubic.com (localhost.atcubic.com [127.0.0.1]) by atcubic.atcubic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCE6036479E; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 09:45:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.122] (57.Red-81-45-222.staticIP.rima-tde.net [81.45.222.57]) by atcubic.atcubic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D6B5364762; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 09:45:56 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Apply diferent styles to diferent own classes.. From: Iker Perez de Albeniz To: Benjamin Berg In-Reply-To: <1186502668.30489.24.camel@localhost> References: <20070807084125.79AF23643B0@atcubic.atcubic.com> <1186502668.30489.24.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 09:45:05 +0200 Message-Id: <1186559105.31560.8.camel@ialbeniz-laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 07:45:11 -0000 El mar, 07-08-2007 a las 16:04 +0000, Benjamin Berg escribió: > On Tue, 2007-07-08 at 10:44 +0200, Iker Perez de Albeniz wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'm developing a program wich has diferent windows classes, the main > > window and toolbox windows.. > > > > so.. > > > > in mi gtkrc file i define: > > > > class "GtkWindow" style "Default" > > > > and this code makes all windows look similar so what i wan is define > > diferent styles for my own classes.. > > > > for example: > > > > > > in my program i create a HelloWorld class that is a GtkWindow with a > > button and a label and i want that this class have a diferent style > > from the main windows... > > > > i have read the documentation and apears someething abaut adding a > > code like this: > > Have you seen http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt/Tutorials/GtkThemes ? > yes i have read it but (maybe becouse my bad english) it was a bit confused for me.. > > > widget "myownclass" stye "othrestyle" > > > > so i tried to do: > > > > widget "HelloWorld" style "hello-style" > > Sounds like you want to style the widgets inside the "HelloWorld" class > differently. So two points to note here: > * widget matches on the name of the widget (set with > gtk_widget_set_name) and not the name of the class. > * The match you would only modify the main window, nothing inside. > > What you really want is something like: > > widget_class "HelloWorld.*" style "helloworld-style" > > This will match against any widget inside your HelloWorld GtkWindow > subclass. > > > Benjamin I think i have try it but doesn work... for example, this is the main.cpp: ----------------------------------- #include #include "mainWindow.h" int main (int argc, char *argv[]) { Gtk::Main kit(argc, argv); Gtk::RC rc_style("./skin/gtkrc"); Gtk::RC::reparse_all(); mainWindow window; window.set_name("Principal"); Gtk::Main::run(window); return 0; } ------------------------------------ then in mainWindow.cpp i define the name of a GtkHBox: ------------------ ... m_Box_Window.set_name("WindowBorder"); m_Box_Window.set_size_request(700, 32); m_Box_Top.pack_start(m_Box_Window, Gtk::PACK_SHRINK); ... ----------------- and finaly in the gtkrc file y put the lines: -------------------------------------------- style "Aero-WindowBorder" { bg_pixmap[NORMAL] = "bg_menu.png" } widget_class "Principal.WindowBorder" style "Aero-WindowBorder" ----------------------------------------------- to set the backgroun of the HBox.. but deosn't work.. From benjamin@sipsolutions.net Wed Aug 8 15:58:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24A933B0205 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 15:58:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.445 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.445 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_GT=0.077, TW_KR=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 1112 hrs), (distance 19, link: ethernet/modem), [195.210.38.204] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4KzAEppOJ2qR for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 15:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sipsolutions.net (crystal.sipsolutions.net [195.210.38.204]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C58B93B01A8 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 15:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [84.135.222.163] (helo=[10.0.0.6]) by sipsolutions.net with esmtpsa (SSL 3.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_MD5:16) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IIrfx-0006E6-Qy; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 20:58:38 +0100 Subject: Re: Apply diferent styles to diferent own classes.. From: Benjamin Berg To: Iker Perez de Albeniz In-Reply-To: <1186559105.31560.8.camel@ialbeniz-laptop> References: <20070807084125.79AF23643B0@atcubic.atcubic.com> <1186502668.30489.24.camel@localhost> <1186559105.31560.8.camel@ialbeniz-laptop> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-0afk3pyn/TCixJW5lJEQ" Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:58:22 +0000 Message-Id: <1186603102.30489.57.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 Cc: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:58:44 -0000 --=-0afk3pyn/TCixJW5lJEQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 09:45 +0200, Iker Perez de Albeniz wrote: > El mar, 07-08-2007 a las 16:04 +0000, Benjamin Berg escribi=C3=B3: > > Have you seen http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt/Tutorials/GtkThemes ? > >=20 >=20 > yes i have read it but (maybe becouse my bad english) it was a bit > confused for me.. Hm, OK. It could probably be improved. (Though don't know how ...) > [snip] > #include > #include "mainWindow.h" >=20 > int main (int argc, char *argv[]) > { >=20 > Gtk::Main kit(argc, argv); > =09 > Gtk::RC rc_style("./skin/gtkrc"); > Gtk::RC::reparse_all();=20 > =09 > mainWindow window; > =09 > window.set_name("Principal"); > =09 > Gtk::Main::run(window); > =09 > return 0; > } > ------------------------------------ >=20 > then in mainWindow.cpp i define the name of a GtkHBox: >=20 > ------------------ > ... > m_Box_Window.set_name("WindowBorder"); > m_Box_Window.set_size_request(700, 32); > m_Box_Top.pack_start(m_Box_Window, Gtk::PACK_SHRINK); > ... > ----------------- Ah, so you are setting the name. And you don't have a custom subclass as I first thought. > and finaly in the gtkrc file y put the lines: >=20 > -------------------------------------------- > style "Aero-WindowBorder" > { >=20 > bg_pixmap[NORMAL] =3D "bg_menu.png" >=20 > } >=20 > widget_class "Principal.WindowBorder" style "Aero-WindowBorder" > ----------------------------------------------- >=20 > to set the backgroun of the HBox.. but deosn't work.. OK. As you are setting names on the widget, then the "widget" match is what you want. Also, a box cannot have a background image set on it. You will need to use a GtkEventBox or similar. widget "*.WindowBorder" style "..." But as said earlier, this will not change anything because the box does not draw any background image. Benjamin PS: I guess you are trying to set a background image on some widgets. I have no idea how people usually achieve this. But I see different alternatives to parsing a gtkrc or modifying RC styles. First setting the backing pixmap directly on an event box (gdk_window_set_back_pixmap). Or even creating subclasses and overriding the expose event of the container widget. --=-0afk3pyn/TCixJW5lJEQ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBGuiBdJddvdAxOva4RArpcAJ98aXg74zuYduUS6j0UrxClV0b9wgCfcEUS 2N3+KeADElMXeqrj3tlfqls= =g7mG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-0afk3pyn/TCixJW5lJEQ-- From nisses.mail@home.se Thu Aug 23 07:01:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 307853B00DB for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 07:01:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -0.185 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.185 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (up: 5375 hrs), (distance 23, link: ethernet/modem), [81.228.9.181] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g2Hgi-ERZY6v for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 07:01:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from av7-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (av7-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.181]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B22EA3B0081 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 07:01:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by av7-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id CB3E338956; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:00:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.101]) by av7-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ACB038949; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:00:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (h125n2fls306o1003.telia.com [81.224.179.125]) by smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA53837E47; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:01:22 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <46CD6995.5060100@home.se> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:03:49 +0200 From: Andreas Nilsson User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Subject: Default background Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: andrea.cimitan@gmail.com X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 11:01:28 -0000 Hi all! So, our current default background is still some solid blueish color. That kinds of sucks. :) There has been lots, and lots, and lots of discussing back and forth on #gnome-art regarding what we should use instead, and we really didn't get anywhere. A couple of days ago Garrett sent me a bunch of macro-nature-shots that he said we can use [1]. One particular photo [2] seemed to play very nice together with the clearlooks theme and makes the interfaces stand out very well (and hence produce great screenshots). It's also green and follows the nature theme we discussed at guadec (and the summit before that). I was thinking of using the colors and base shapes from the photo to create a more abstract background, but all my attempts failed miserably. So, as we're running out of time and we need to start produce screenshots for the release notes, does anyone object using garretts photo as a default background for this release? We can bring up the discussion for what we are going to do for 2.22 as soon as we have this release out of the door, but for now, in my role as "art director/dictator" I say we go for this [3]. 1. http://primates.ximian.com/~glesage/public/wallpaper/plants/JPEG/ 2. http://primates.ximian.com/~glesage/public/wallpaper/plants/JPEG/CRW_0859.jpg 3. http://jimmac.musichall.cz/stuff/wall-cleanedup.jpg - Andreas From nisses.mail@home.se Thu Aug 23 07:28:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 072EF3B0081 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 07:28:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -1.11 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.11 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (up: 5376 hrs), (distance 23, link: ethernet/modem), [81.228.9.182] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c5LcyX6rW7DI for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 07:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from av7-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (av7-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69FE63B0010 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 07:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by av7-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 94FBB3894B; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:27:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.102]) by av7-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F27D3822B; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:27:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (h125n2fls306o1003.telia.com [81.224.179.125]) by smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5D2337E4F; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:28:03 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <46CD6FD6.303@home.se> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:30:30 +0200 From: Andreas Nilsson User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Default background References: <46CD6995.5060100@home.se> <53c9bbb20708230421j42d9feaayd8df9c4692e0359e@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <53c9bbb20708230421j42d9feaayd8df9c4692e0359e@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Garrett LeSage X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 11:28:08 -0000 Garrett LeSage wrote: > I think Jakub's cleaned up version is nice. > > A couple of suggestions would be to see about flipping it horizontally > (providing more space and a less distracting background area for the > default desktop icons) and cloning out little distracting dots that > appear in a few places. Other than that, I really like the treatment > that Jakub has done. Yeah, agree about the flipping stuff. Thomas, can you put this in? - Andreas From nisses.mail@home.se Fri Aug 24 05:39:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ED9B3B0103 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 05:39:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -1.11 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.11 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (up: 1394 hrs), (distance 23, link: ethernet/modem), [81.228.8.183] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SOL-3kJVcHRg for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 05:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from av11-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (av11-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.183]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E3473B0135 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 05:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by av11-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 3ADFB38531; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 11:39:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.93]) by av11-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 191E53812B; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 11:39:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (h125n2fls306o1003.telia.com [81.224.179.125]) by smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2F8F37E4C; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 11:39:38 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <46CEA7EF.4000105@home.se> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 11:42:07 +0200 From: Andreas Nilsson User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: andrea.cimitan@gmail.com Subject: Re: Default background References: <46CD6995.5060100@home.se> <53c9bbb20708230421j42d9feaayd8df9c4692e0359e@mail.gmail.com> <46CD6FD6.303@home.se> In-Reply-To: <46CD6FD6.303@home.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Garrett LeSage , gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 09:39:45 -0000 Andreas Nilsson wrote: > Garrett LeSage wrote: > >> I think Jakub's cleaned up version is nice. >> >> A couple of suggestions would be to see about flipping it horizontally >> (providing more space and a less distracting background area for the >> default desktop icons) and cloning out little distracting dots that >> appear in a few places. Other than that, I really like the treatment >> that Jakub has done. >> > Yeah, agree about the flipping stuff. Thomas, can you put this in? > - Andreas Cimi flipped it, cleaned it up a bit and made the colors sync better with Clearlooks. http://cimi.netsons.org/gnome/wallpapers/target13.html - Andreas From nisses.mail@home.se Fri Aug 24 08:26:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C58E3B0074 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:26:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.522 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_SV=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (up: 8030 hrs), (distance 23, link: ethernet/modem), [81.228.8.185] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3ME0vQi1qBhz for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from av12-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (av12-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.185]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 222D23B0086 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by av12-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 3273A386E6; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:26:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.92]) by av12-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0CF83863F; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:23:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (h125n2fls306o1003.telia.com [81.224.179.125]) by smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E89337E42; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:23:26 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <46CECE52.2080603@home.se> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:25:54 +0200 From: Andreas Nilsson User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Garrett LeSage Subject: Re: Default background References: <46CD6995.5060100@home.se> <53c9bbb20708230421j42d9feaayd8df9c4692e0359e@mail.gmail.com> <46CD6FD6.303@home.se> <46CEA7EF.4000105@home.se> <53c9bbb20708240507u29a49b90h41aba00014170e18@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <53c9bbb20708240507u29a49b90h41aba00014170e18@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: andrea.cimitan@gmail.com, gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:26:46 -0000 Garrett LeSage wrote: > On 8/24/07, *Andreas Nilsson* > wrote: > > > Cimi flipped it, cleaned it up a bit and made the colors sync better > with Clearlooks. > http://cimi.netsons.org/gnome/wallpapers/target13.html > > - Andreas > > > > > That looks great! > > Yay for teamwork! Got some more teamwork over here! :) Lapo did some further touchups and color corrections: http://xoomer.alice.it/bat/tmp/wall-cleanedup-soft.jpg This makes it a bit more neutral and suitable for a background, works a bit better with the new clearlooks as well. This is pretty much final then I guess. Where do we put this in svn exactly? - Andreas From andrea.cimitan@gmail.com Fri Aug 24 21:35:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46C713B0088 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:35:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.523 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_SV=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 5039 hrs), (distance 15, link: (Google 2)), [209.85.128.191] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DakESA9weUsR for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.191]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 540A93B006B for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:35:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 22so817392fkq for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:35:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.82.16 with SMTP id f16mr2707328fgb.1188005743521; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:35:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.0.0.2? ( [79.0.174.233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d27sm4755384nfh.2007.08.24.18.35.41 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:35:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Default background From: Andrea Cimitan Cc: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <46CECE52.2080603@home.se> References: <46CD6995.5060100@home.se> <53c9bbb20708230421j42d9feaayd8df9c4692e0359e@mail.gmail.com> <46CD6FD6.303@home.se> <46CEA7EF.4000105@home.se> <53c9bbb20708240507u29a49b90h41aba00014170e18@mail.gmail.com> <46CECE52.2080603@home.se> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 03:33:41 +0200 Message-Id: <1188005621.10790.12.camel@hydra.cimi.dtdns.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 01:35:51 -0000 Il giorno ven, 24/08/2007 alle 14.25 +0200, Andreas Nilsson ha scritto: > Garrett LeSage wrote: > > On 8/24/07, *Andreas Nilsson* > > wrote: > > > > > > Cimi flipped it, cleaned it up a bit and made the colors sync better > > with Clearlooks. > > http://cimi.netsons.org/gnome/wallpapers/target13.html > > > > - Andreas > > > > > > > > > > That looks great! > > > > Yay for teamwork! > Got some more teamwork over here! :) > Lapo did some further touchups and color corrections: > http://xoomer.alice.it/bat/tmp/wall-cleanedup-soft.jpg > This makes it a bit more neutral and suitable for a background, works a > bit better with the new clearlooks as well. > This is pretty much final then I guess. Where do we put this in svn exactly? > - Andreas As me and other guys on gnome-art don't like that wallpaper at all, here is a work-in-progress background that looks much better in the top-left, and also it is more abstract being less distractive. 1600x1050 Unmodified: http://cimi.netsons.org/gnome/proposal2.jpg --> RETOUCHED (but too saturated :) ) <-- 3000X2000 http://www.ingral.com.br/~vdepizzol/temp/CRW_9008-2.jpg -- Andrea Cimitan From nisses.mail@home.se Sat Aug 25 07:59:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B55D3B00F9 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 07:59:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.522 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_SV=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (up: 407 hrs), (distance 23, link: ethernet/modem), [81.228.8.181] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id la2cSpJsxRr7 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 07:59:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from av10-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (av10-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.181]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2DC03B00A1 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 07:59:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by av10-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id C2A783878E; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 13:59:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.93]) by av10-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86DF2386E7; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 13:59:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (h125n2fls306o1003.telia.com [81.224.179.125]) by smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3217B37E49; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 13:59:09 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <46D01A22.1070002@home.se> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:01:38 +0200 From: Andreas Nilsson User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrea Cimitan Subject: Re: Default background References: <46CD6995.5060100@home.se> <53c9bbb20708230421j42d9feaayd8df9c4692e0359e@mail.gmail.com> <46CD6FD6.303@home.se> <46CEA7EF.4000105@home.se> <53c9bbb20708240507u29a49b90h41aba00014170e18@mail.gmail.com> <46CECE52.2080603@home.se> <1188005621.10790.12.camel@hydra.cimi.dtdns.net> In-Reply-To: <1188005621.10790.12.camel@hydra.cimi.dtdns.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 11:59:17 -0000 Andrea Cimitan wrote: > Il giorno ven, 24/08/2007 alle 14.25 +0200, Andreas Nilsson ha scritto: > >> Garrett LeSage wrote: >> >>> On 8/24/07, *Andreas Nilsson* >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> Cimi flipped it, cleaned it up a bit and made the colors sync better >>> with Clearlooks. >>> http://cimi.netsons.org/gnome/wallpapers/target13.html >>> >>> - Andreas >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> That looks great! >>> >>> Yay for teamwork! >>> >> Got some more teamwork over here! :) >> Lapo did some further touchups and color corrections: >> http://xoomer.alice.it/bat/tmp/wall-cleanedup-soft.jpg >> This makes it a bit more neutral and suitable for a background, works a >> bit better with the new clearlooks as well. >> This is pretty much final then I guess. Where do we put this in svn exactly? >> - Andreas >> > As me and other guys on gnome-art don't like that wallpaper at all, here > is a work-in-progress background that looks much better in the top-left, > and also it is more abstract being less distractive. > > 1600x1050 Unmodified: http://cimi.netsons.org/gnome/proposal2.jpg > --> RETOUCHED (but too saturated :) ) <-- 3000X2000 > http://www.ingral.com.br/~vdepizzol/temp/CRW_9008-2.jpg > Hi Andrea! Now we're back at square one again. Great! :( Heh, well, not quite. Seriously, we can go for this as it's not that different from the other one and might have some usability advantages (feed me with arguments please, "I don't like it" don't count unless you happen to be Paul Rand) + the colors seems to go a bit better with Clearlooks and gnome-icon-theme. The Big Question Now is how we technically get anything at all to be the default in svn. Help fix this, anyone! - Andreas From andrea.cimitan@gmail.com Sat Aug 25 11:23:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 342CD3B007E for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 11:23:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.523 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_SV=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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( [79.0.174.233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 2sm6670368nfv.2007.08.25.08.23.05 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 25 Aug 2007 08:23:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Default background From: Andrea Cimitan Cc: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <46D01A22.1070002@home.se> References: <46CD6995.5060100@home.se> <53c9bbb20708230421j42d9feaayd8df9c4692e0359e@mail.gmail.com> <46CD6FD6.303@home.se> <46CEA7EF.4000105@home.se> <53c9bbb20708240507u29a49b90h41aba00014170e18@mail.gmail.com> <46CECE52.2080603@home.se> <1188005621.10790.12.camel@hydra.cimi.dtdns.net> <46D01A22.1070002@home.se> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 17:20:31 +0200 Message-Id: <1188055231.7818.7.camel@hydra.cimi.dtdns.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:23:30 -0000 Il giorno sab, 25/08/2007 alle 14.01 +0200, Andreas Nilsson ha scritto: > Andrea Cimitan wrote: > > Il giorno ven, 24/08/2007 alle 14.25 +0200, Andreas Nilsson ha scritto: > > > >> Garrett LeSage wrote: > >> > >>> On 8/24/07, *Andreas Nilsson* >>> > wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> Cimi flipped it, cleaned it up a bit and made the colors sync better > >>> with Clearlooks. > >>> http://cimi.netsons.org/gnome/wallpapers/target13.html > >>> > >>> - Andreas > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> That looks great! > >>> > >>> Yay for teamwork! > >>> > >> Got some more teamwork over here! :) > >> Lapo did some further touchups and color corrections: > >> http://xoomer.alice.it/bat/tmp/wall-cleanedup-soft.jpg > >> This makes it a bit more neutral and suitable for a background, works a > >> bit better with the new clearlooks as well. > >> This is pretty much final then I guess. Where do we put this in svn exactly? > >> - Andreas > >> > > As me and other guys on gnome-art don't like that wallpaper at all, here > > is a work-in-progress background that looks much better in the top-left, > > and also it is more abstract being less distractive. > > > > 1600x1050 Unmodified: http://cimi.netsons.org/gnome/proposal2.jpg > > --> RETOUCHED (but too saturated :) ) <-- 3000X2000 > > http://www.ingral.com.br/~vdepizzol/temp/CRW_9008-2.jpg > > > Hi Andrea! > Now we're back at square one again. Great! :( > > Heh, well, not quite. Seriously, we can go for this as it's not that > different from the other one and might have some usability advantages > (feed me with arguments please, "I don't like it" don't count unless you > happen to be Paul Rand) + the colors seems to go a bit better with > Clearlooks and gnome-icon-theme. > The Big Question Now is how we technically get anything at all to be the > default in svn. Help fix this, anyone! > - Andreas I think we should start from the beginning, too confusion and a lot of people not convinced about those nature wallpapers. For me they are bad @ default. I don't like a green background on my blue theme. And also I don't like vista-like nature wallpapers. I prefer an abstract one. But I'm not alone, ask #gnome-art and see how many guys dislike a leaf as their wallpaper :) I'd prefer to use abstract GPL wallpapers. Less distractive than a leaf. These are GPL/CC so ready-to-use (some of them can be easily modified): http://gnomelook.org/CONTENT/content-files/53268-simple_gnome_muted_fiber.jpg http://gnomelook.org/content/show.php/Babaorum?content=48742 http://gnomelook.org/content/show.php/Ubuntu+Blue?content=30812 http://gnomelook.org/content/show.php/Universal+-+Wallpaper +1280x1024?content=13818 http://gnomelook.org/content/show.php/Simple+Gnome +Wallpaper?content=21611 http://gnomelook.org/content/show.php/Simple+Human?content=29740 Alpha: http://picasaweb.google.com/andrea.cimitan/GnomeWallpapers/photo#5102654677072580354 Nature: http://picasaweb.google.com/andrea.cimitan/GnomeWallpapers -- Andrea Cimitan From benjamin@sipsolutions.net Sat Aug 25 15:23:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D76093B00FA for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:23:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 1519 hrs), (distance 18, link: ethernet/modem), [195.210.38.204] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J-tGzafAkHf6 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sipsolutions.net (crystal.sipsolutions.net [195.210.38.204]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9C683B0003 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [91.5.81.141] (helo=[10.0.0.6]) by sipsolutions.net with esmtpsa (SSL 3.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_MD5:16) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IP1EP-00014B-MM; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 20:23:37 +0100 Subject: Re: Default background From: Benjamin Berg To: Andrea Cimitan In-Reply-To: <1188055231.7818.7.camel@hydra.cimi.dtdns.net> References: <46CD6995.5060100@home.se> <53c9bbb20708230421j42d9feaayd8df9c4692e0359e@mail.gmail.com> <46CD6FD6.303@home.se> <46CEA7EF.4000105@home.se> <53c9bbb20708240507u29a49b90h41aba00014170e18@mail.gmail.com> <46CECE52.2080603@home.se> <1188005621.10790.12.camel@hydra.cimi.dtdns.net> <46D01A22.1070002@home.se> <1188055231.7818.7.camel@hydra.cimi.dtdns.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-GNefK4XLtFlTon8SV1dr" Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 21:23:33 +0200 Message-Id: <1188069813.15502.70.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 Cc: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 19:23:45 -0000 --=-GNefK4XLtFlTon8SV1dr Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 2007-25-08 at 17:20 +0200, Andrea Cimitan wrote: > For me they are bad @ default. I don't like a green background on my > blue theme. And also I don't like vista-like nature wallpapers. > I prefer an abstract one.=20 I would like to pointing out that I find it difficult to believe that you really have the opinion that all nature wallpapers are bad by default. Considering that in the screenshots to show your theme you use a grass background. http://benjamin.sipsolutions.net/screenshots/clearlooks-colored.png Benjamin --=-GNefK4XLtFlTon8SV1dr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBG0IG1JddvdAxOva4RAi25AJ9kMxYX0clowN38SiqC5eETzwiAIACdGb6e ao2wYFMPU+VuU+RxcPfFBAM= =h6LL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-GNefK4XLtFlTon8SV1dr-- From efgiovanini@gmail.com Sat Aug 25 16:43:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B4D03B0188 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:43:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -1.188 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.188 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.223, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_BG=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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( [200.99.138.2]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 39sm11273064agb.2007.08.25.13.43.41 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 25 Aug 2007 13:43:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Default background From: Evandro Fernandes Giovanini To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <46D01A22.1070002@home.se> References: <46CD6995.5060100@home.se> <53c9bbb20708230421j42d9feaayd8df9c4692e0359e@mail.gmail.com> <46CD6FD6.303@home.se> <46CEA7EF.4000105@home.se> <53c9bbb20708240507u29a49b90h41aba00014170e18@mail.gmail.com> <46CECE52.2080603@home.se> <1188005621.10790.12.camel@hydra.cimi.dtdns.net> <46D01A22.1070002@home.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 17:43:38 -0300 Message-Id: <1188074618.11255.10.camel@costanza> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 20:43:54 -0000 Em Sáb, 2007-08-25 às 14:01 +0200, Andreas Nilsson escreveu: > The Big Question Now is how we technically get anything at all to be the > default in svn. Help fix this, anyone! You probably should add the image to the gnome-backgrounds module, and change libgnome to make it the default. You'll want to change at least the following GConf keys in libgnome: /desktop/gnome/background/picture_options set it to "stretched" /desktop/gnome/background/picture_filename set it to "/usr/share/pixmaps/backgrounds/gnome/nature/filename.png" where filename.png is the name of the new wallpaper. :) Cheers, Evandro From suseux@googlemail.com Sat Aug 25 16:59:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E91A93B0003 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:59:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 8914 hrs), (distance 17, link: (Google 2)), [64.233.182.185] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tSvmNUJt-SDy for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:59:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.185]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AA1E3B008E for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f5so921373nfh for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 13:59:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.190.10 with SMTP id n10mr2723683huf.1188075558557; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 13:59:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?86.3.216.166? ( [86.3.216.166]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o30sm2082641ugd.2007.08.25.13.59.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 25 Aug 2007 13:59:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Default background To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 21:59:14 +0100 Message-Id: <1188075554.31748.11.camel@sean-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sean X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 20:59:25 -0000 Here's my proposals and why. http://picasaweb.google.com/SuseUX/GNOME/photo#5102742371492108418 Tango colours with a nice abstract background that dont get in the way. http://picasaweb.google.com/SuseUX/GNOME/photo#5102731960491382866 Background gradient bottom colour is clearlooks bg_select and top colour is Tango blue. Cimi likes this as well and it's a good mix of theme colour consistency and soft background stripes, SVG format. Heres the desktop shot http://img182.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clearlooksabstractideabm7.png SeanW From thos@gnome.org Sat Aug 25 18:38:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3BD23B012D for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 18:38:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.194 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.194 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.193, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, TW_BG=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (NAT!) (up: 7704 hrs), (distance 22, link: IPv6/IPIP), [88.96.30.66] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZG9MnhaLErgg for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 18:38:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orion.thos.me.uk (orion.thos.me.uk [88.96.30.66]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F18033B00FE for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 18:38:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 88-96-30-68.dsl.zen.co.uk ([88.96.30.68] helo=localhost.localdomain) by orion.thos.me.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.63 #1 (Debian)) id 1IP4FT-0007om-W0; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 23:36:56 +0100 Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 23:36:42 +0100 From: Thomas Wood To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Default background Message-ID: <20070825233642.7de4442c@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <1188074618.11255.10.camel@costanza> References: <46CD6995.5060100@home.se> <53c9bbb20708230421j42d9feaayd8df9c4692e0359e@mail.gmail.com> <46CD6FD6.303@home.se> <46CEA7EF.4000105@home.se> <53c9bbb20708240507u29a49b90h41aba00014170e18@mail.gmail.com> <46CECE52.2080603@home.se> <1188005621.10790.12.camel@hydra.cimi.dtdns.net> <46D01A22.1070002@home.se> <1188074618.11255.10.camel@costanza> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.10.0 (GTK+ 2.10.13; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 22:38:16 -0000 On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 17:43:38 -0300 Evandro Fernandes Giovanini wrote: > Em S=E1b, 2007-08-25 =E0s 14:01 +0200, Andreas Nilsson escreveu: > > The Big Question Now is how we technically get anything at all to > > be the default in svn. Help fix this, anyone! >=20 > You probably should add the image to the gnome-backgrounds module, and > change libgnome to make it the default. I was suggesting the Andreas on IRC today that he probably didn't want to do it this way. You could end up with a nasty situation if gnome-backgrounds is not installed. I would suggest installing the background from libgnome. This has the benefit that the schema and the background are installed from the same place. I would also like to suggest installing a small xml file (such as gnome-backgrounds already does) to describe the background. However, it would certainly be worth looking at distributions such as Ubuntu and Fedora to see how they are already installing default backgrounds. We probably do not want to cause any problems if our methods conflict. Regards, Thomas From andrea.cimitan@gmail.com Sat Aug 25 22:35:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 386203B0198 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 22:35:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.523 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 5289 hrs), (distance 15, link: (Google 2)), [209.85.128.190] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1UvpCLRVgAmM for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 22:35:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.190]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D57B23B012D for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 22:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 22so1066771fkq for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 19:35:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.152.16 with SMTP id z16mr10559848bud.1188095744162; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 19:35:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.0.0.2? ( [79.0.174.233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s7sm2466040uge.2007.08.25.19.35.41 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 25 Aug 2007 19:35:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FINAL: All backgrounds proposals From: Andrea Cimitan In-Reply-To: <1188075554.31748.11.camel@sean-desktop> References: <1188075554.31748.11.camel@sean-desktop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 04:33:05 +0200 Message-Id: <1188095585.14973.34.camel@hydra.cimi.dtdns.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: jimmac@musichall.cz, gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 02:35:51 -0000 This will be my last "proposal" but please READ it carefully cause it is the most important from myself. 1) Nature (No) 2) Abstract (Yes) 1) ### "NATURE: WHY NOT" ### I know there was a guideline but we can't follow that guideline if we are unsure and have a lot of question marks on it. In channel #gnome-art I've never saw all of them that agreed on a theme, and the leaf proposed by andreasn looks "ok" but we are confused confused and confused. I can bet 100 beers at the next guadec that people will change it in they same day they bounce into 2.20 version. And this not because the Garret picture is bad (it's fantastic) but because the human eye is disturbed by that amount of green and the details of the leaf. See in our discussions of the last days, everytime we peoposed a noew image someone said "I don't like it, I won't use it etc etc, too details, to flat etc etc" . The GTK gui is simple and with few gradients, the wallpaper has a LOT of "real" details, that makes the eye be noised. Particolary if we choose a macro shot, as Garret's (wonderful) photos. It's not following GNOME HIG, Imho. Gnome has an usable and simple theme, with no images, abstract. The wallpaper need to follow HIG, and be abstract too. So it's not just a "look question" (yes blue looks better as jimmac said). It's a lot more. Btw my favourite one is "Green Meadow" that we have into the default set, I have a 1600x1200 version of it. It's the only one that looks ok with the clearlooks theme, but yes, it has the disavantages of the other leafs. You can find few nature wallpapers here, some retouched in blue (just for joke :) ) http://picasaweb.google.com/andrea.cimitan/GnomeWallpapers/ 2) ### "THE ABSTRACT PROPOSAL: ORIGINAL AND ADAPTABLE" ### 1. An abstract wallpaper could be transparent, to have every color we like 2. An abstract wallpaper is generally liked by more people, as it is less detailed and fits more needs 3. An abstract wallpaper looks _much_ better with a gtk theme 4. No license and scaling problems, as they are done in SVG. They go with every resolution without becoming 3Mb per photo. 5. Something simple is following the gnome HIG much more than a leaf or something else 6. People could stick months with an abstract wallpaper, while probably they will become tired of an image/panorama 7. The minimalistic/abstract is the glamour/fashion of the moment, see the number of downloads in deviantart or in every other website. This should be the marketing of the 2007. OSx tiger and Panther got the "blue aqua wallpaper" which was downloaded billions of time because of it neutral look, which goes well with every theme and feel comfortable on the eye. 8. An abstract wallpaper is original, while a leaf seems to remind OSX leopard or Vista (bad wallpapers by the way). My proposals, (I like the third). 2°, 3°, 4° are done by me in inkscape +gimp from scratch, so they are 100% GPL (and much more original than a leaf). Notice: I've the svg of ALL those wallpapers, so they can be transparent and for every resolution, and match _EVERY_ theme. http://picasaweb.google.com/andrea.cimitan/AbstractWallpapers/ Cheers Andrea From calamandrei@gmail.com Sun Aug 26 06:43:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E433A3B009A for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 06:43:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 4328 hrs), (distance 13, link: (Google 2)), [209.85.146.178] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZNzeQwunhMXP for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 06:43:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.178]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 149ED3B0018 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 06:43:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id v27so1668381wah for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 03:43:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.61.1 with SMTP id o1mr1054793wak.1188124982361; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 03:43:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.153.7 with HTTP; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 03:43:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <94973b0a0708260343o4f729c77ib2935c7fb793ca31@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 12:43:02 +0200 From: "Lapo Calamandrei" To: "Andrea Cimitan" Subject: Re: FINAL: All backgrounds proposals In-Reply-To: <1188095585.14973.34.camel@hydra.cimi.dtdns.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1188075554.31748.11.camel@sean-desktop> <1188095585.14973.34.camel@hydra.cimi.dtdns.net> Cc: jimmac@musichall.cz, gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 10:43:07 -0000 I'm not sure your rationale against nature wallpapers works, It's mostly a personal taste issue. I like the garrett leaf, and it can nicelly work as a wallpaper since it's a macro photo and it doesn't have so many details, but it needs some touchups. Anyway space may be an issue and so if we want to go for an abstarct bg I'd choose the 3rd or the 4th in your selection. Andreas, what do you think? Ciao Lapo From andrea.cimitan@gmail.com Sun Aug 26 07:37:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FA7A3B00D8 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 07:37:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.523 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 9060 hrs), (distance 17, link: (Google 2)), [64.233.182.186] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n5y4cxwEewoh for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 07:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.186]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E57353B007B for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 07:37:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f5so958492nfh for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 04:37:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.185.15 with SMTP id i15mr2976037huf.1188128245424; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 04:37:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.0.0.2? ( [79.0.174.233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k28sm3072678ugd.2007.08.26.04.37.23 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 04:37:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: FINAL: All backgrounds proposals From: Andrea Cimitan In-Reply-To: <94973b0a0708260343o4f729c77ib2935c7fb793ca31@mail.gmail.com> References: <1188075554.31748.11.camel@sean-desktop> <1188095585.14973.34.camel@hydra.cimi.dtdns.net> <94973b0a0708260343o4f729c77ib2935c7fb793ca31@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 13:34:30 +0200 Message-Id: <1188128071.6450.3.camel@hydra.cimi.dtdns.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: jimmac@musichall.cz, gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 11:37:32 -0000 Il giorno dom, 26/08/2007 alle 12.43 +0200, Lapo Calamandrei ha scritto: > I'm not sure your rationale against nature wallpapers works, It's > mostly a personal taste issue. I like the garrett leaf, and it can > nicelly work as a wallpaper since it's a macro photo and it doesn't > have so many details, but it needs some touchups. Anyway space may be > an issue and so if we want to go for an abstarct bg I'd choose the 3rd > or the 4th in your selection. Andreas, what do you think? > Absolutely not just tastes. See the 8 points to support abstract wallz. Usability, customizable colors (when users will change their gtk theme in the future), originality, space, resizable/scalable, long-term usage (months/years), and gnome HIG. A comparison of the two wallz with various colors (see how tango colors look better with the tango blue of the abstact wallpaper): http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8793/schermatawa8.png http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/2973/schermata2zx8.png Obviusly an abstract wallpaper could go green if you want, and the users could still customize it if they prefer the blue :) I'm ready to bet with that direction (also after seeing the success of the Apple aqua wallpaper), and I will push new nature wallpapers when we will have something really good on our hands. With a wallpaper that convince us _totally_, not just some of them. Ready for 2.22 baby? :) Now the only one that looks fine with clearlooks and other themes is "GreenMeadow", the big leaf is nice but its gradients and details makes it less adaptable chamging wallpapers > Ciao > Lapo > Hi dudes -- Andrea Cimitan From nisses.mail@home.se Sun Aug 26 07:51:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F51A3B007B for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 07:51:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.522 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_GT=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (up: 5448 hrs), (distance 23, link: ethernet/modem), [81.228.9.181] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TwJYJdyhq-8K for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 07:51:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from av7-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (av7-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.181]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7B0A3B00D8 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 07:51:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by av7-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 552C2380F0; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 13:50:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.101]) by av7-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04CA337E5B; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 13:50:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (h125n2fls306o1003.telia.com [81.224.179.125]) by smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91A6937E45; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 13:51:21 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <46D169D0.8080205@home.se> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 13:53:52 +0200 From: Andreas Nilsson User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrea Cimitan Subject: Re: FINAL: All backgrounds proposals References: <1188075554.31748.11.camel@sean-desktop> <1188095585.14973.34.camel@hydra.cimi.dtdns.net> <94973b0a0708260343o4f729c77ib2935c7fb793ca31@mail.gmail.com> <1188128071.6450.3.camel@hydra.cimi.dtdns.net> In-Reply-To: <1188128071.6450.3.camel@hydra.cimi.dtdns.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 11:51:29 -0000 Andrea Cimitan wrote: > Il giorno dom, 26/08/2007 alle 12.43 +0200, Lapo Calamandrei ha > scritto: > >> I'm not sure your rationale against nature wallpapers works, It's >> mostly a personal taste issue. I like the garrett leaf, and it can >> nicelly work as a wallpaper since it's a macro photo and it doesn't >> have so many details, but it needs some touchups. Anyway space may be >> an issue and so if we want to go for an abstarct bg I'd choose the 3rd >> or the 4th in your selection. Andreas, what do you think? >> >> > Absolutely not just tastes. See the 8 points to support abstract wallz. > Usability, customizable colors (when users will change their gtk theme > in the future), originality, space, resizable/scalable, long-term usage > (months/years), and gnome HIG. > > A comparison of the two wallz with various colors (see how tango colors > look better with the tango blue of the abstact wallpaper): > http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8793/schermatawa8.png > http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/2973/schermata2zx8.png > Hi Andrea! http://www.ingral.com.br/~vdepizzol/temp/CRW_9008-2.jpg This is the one I'm pushing into trunk (the process seems to be a bit hard though, fixes need to go into different modules and stuff...). Sorry for any confusion. - Andreas From andrea.cimitan@gmail.com Sun Aug 26 07:55:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DC6E3B00D8 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 07:55:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.523 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 9063 hrs), (distance 17, link: (Google 2)), [64.233.182.188] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8rmm9CnGwVOg for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 07:55:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.188]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D090C3B007B for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 07:55:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f5so959526nfh for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 04:55:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.157.19 with SMTP id f19mr2994616hue.1188129300792; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 04:55:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.0.0.2? ( [79.0.174.233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e23sm3135328ugd.2007.08.26.04.54.59 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 04:54:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: FINAL: All backgrounds proposals From: Andrea Cimitan Cc: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <46D169D0.8080205@home.se> References: <1188075554.31748.11.camel@sean-desktop> <1188095585.14973.34.camel@hydra.cimi.dtdns.net> <94973b0a0708260343o4f729c77ib2935c7fb793ca31@mail.gmail.com> <1188128071.6450.3.camel@hydra.cimi.dtdns.net> <46D169D0.8080205@home.se> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 13:52:04 +0200 Message-Id: <1188129124.6569.0.camel@hydra.cimi.dtdns.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 11:55:10 -0000 Il giorno dom, 26/08/2007 alle 13.53 +0200, Andreas Nilsson ha scritto: > Andrea Cimitan wrote: > > Il giorno dom, 26/08/2007 alle 12.43 +0200, Lapo Calamandrei ha > > scritto: > > > >> I'm not sure your rationale against nature wallpapers works, It's > >> mostly a personal taste issue. I like the garrett leaf, and it can > >> nicelly work as a wallpaper since it's a macro photo and it doesn't > >> have so many details, but it needs some touchups. Anyway space may be > >> an issue and so if we want to go for an abstarct bg I'd choose the 3rd > >> or the 4th in your selection. Andreas, what do you think? > >> > >> > > Absolutely not just tastes. See the 8 points to support abstract wallz. > > Usability, customizable colors (when users will change their gtk theme > > in the future), originality, space, resizable/scalable, long-term usage > > (months/years), and gnome HIG. > > > > A comparison of the two wallz with various colors (see how tango colors > > look better with the tango blue of the abstact wallpaper): > > http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8793/schermatawa8.png > > http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/2973/schermata2zx8.png > > > Hi Andrea! > http://www.ingral.com.br/~vdepizzol/temp/CRW_9008-2.jpg > This is the one I'm pushing into trunk (the process seems to be a bit > hard though, fixes need to go into different modules and stuff...). > Sorry for any confusion. > - Andreas Thanks for have supported my ideas. -- Andrea Cimitan From tigert@tigert.com Sun Aug 26 08:12:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D56813B007B for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 08:12:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -1.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.299 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.300, BAYES_50=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 950 hrs), (distance 12, link: ethernet/modem), [209.160.36.40] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XJQgJRUj7jb8 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 08:12:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vector.xyxx.com (vector.xyxx.com [209.160.36.40]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10EB33B0002 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 08:12:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 818940 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2007 12:12:24 -0000 Received: from nblzone-208-37.nblnetworks.fi (HELO ?192.168.1.20?) (tigert@tigert.com@83.145.208.37) by vector.xyxx.com with ESMTPA; 26 Aug 2007 12:12:24 -0000 Message-ID: <46D16E46.5020909@tigert.com> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 15:12:54 +0300 From: Tuomas Kuosmanen User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070403) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: FINAL: All backgrounds proposals References: <1188075554.31748.11.camel@sean-desktop> <1188095585.14973.34.camel@hydra.cimi.dtdns.net> In-Reply-To: <1188095585.14973.34.camel@hydra.cimi.dtdns.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: jimmac@musichall.cz X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 12:12:36 -0000 Andrea Cimitan wrote: > See in our discussions of the last days, everytime we peoposed a noew > image someone said "I don't like it, I won't use it etc etc, too > details, to flat etc etc" . > The GTK gui is simple and with few gradients, the wallpaper has a LOT of > "real" details, that makes the eye be noised. Well. This is exactly the problem: There is always someone who is disagreeing, no matter what you create. We have seen over the years that "design by committee" does not really work at all. How about trusting Andreas on this? He's been doing nice work, and he has spent quite a lot of effort by adapting and cleaning up Garrett's photograph into a wallpaper. If we want to keep artists like him around, we really need to pay attention to this. > Particolary if we choose a macro shot, as Garret's (wonderful) photos. > It's not following GNOME HIG, Imho. Saying "its not following the HIG" just because you don't like it personally does not really work. I don't think the leaf wallpaper has anything wrong in the "HIG" sense. It does not have too many details as to make icon labels hard to read, and it is not distracting. Plus green is a nice, pleasant colour to look at. The blue gradient wallpapers are nice too, but they look almost too shy to me - as to not poke any reaction from anyone. We want to make a fresh, good impression when the user logs in the first time. > Gnome has an usable and simple theme, with no images, abstract. > The wallpaper need to follow HIG, and be abstract too. The "Visual Design" section of the HIG does not speak about "abstract" at all. And I found nothing in there that would claim the leaf wallpaper would be unacceptable in any way. Please, if you refer to the HIG, refer to the HIG, don't just pull stuff out of your hat :-) > 2) ### "THE ABSTRACT PROPOSAL: ORIGINAL AND ADAPTABLE" ### > 2. An abstract wallpaper is generally liked by more people, as it is > less detailed and fits more needs > ... Since you put a lot of bullet points here, it would be nice to see some proof to these claims also? Have you tested different wallpapers (we artists on #gnome-themes do not count, as we already have our own preference) //Tuomas From benjamin@sipsolutions.net Wed Aug 29 15:16:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B11F3B002C; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:16:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 1615 hrs), (distance 18, link: ethernet/modem), [195.210.38.204] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dcJhyHgpRTkN; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sipsolutions.net (crystal.sipsolutions.net [195.210.38.204]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87AF23B0093; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [91.5.123.124] (helo=[10.0.0.6]) by sipsolutions.net with esmtpsa (SSL 3.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_MD5:16) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IQT13-0005P5-UY; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:15:50 +0100 Subject: GTK+ Theming improvements From: Benjamin Berg To: GTK Devel List , gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-9ab31L5jLTdvVaC9qw11" Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:15:43 +0200 Message-Id: <1188414943.15502.162.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:16:14 -0000 --=-9ab31L5jLTdvVaC9qw11 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, So here finally an E-Mail about the GTK+ theming discussion we had at the start of GUADEC and some things I picked up. In the discussion CSS had been mentioned a lot of times to a large extend because of the matching abilities that it has. It is possible to match on the hierarchy and also neighbours. Neighbour matching is impossible in GTK+ currently and it would with theming paddings between widgets. Also in CSS/HTML an item can have multiple classes. Here are some of the main points/ideas:=20 * Multiple themes in one application (eg. theme preview, glade) * Instead of having the support directly in GTK+ create a common library that can be used by Firefox, OpenOffice and maybe even KDE/QT * Don't use pixel sizes -- The maemo people designed the interface in millimetre, however this is not that useful on a desktop machine. * Separating positioning of widgets out of the application, and into the theme. * No non-transparent X windows if possible * 3D widgets, eg. lighting effects, or when rotating workspaces=20 * Solid animation support and transition effects. (imagine eg. an animation when a menu item is activated, or handling an opening expander) There is also http://live.gnome.org/GTK%2B/NewThemeApi (which needs to be updated) but I this is a pretty complete list. I think an interesting thing to discuss is the scope of any system. It was suggested that the theme should be able to handle large parts of the UI design. Other things that could be handled by themes include application graphics (eg. nautilus disk usage pie chart) or the metacity window frames. As a way forward it is important to know what a CSS based theme format might look like. Andreas Nilson has said he could help in this area. Other than this any ideas and comments are of course welcome. To help the overall process, I can try to keep the wiki in sync with any arguments that are brought up. Benjamin --=-9ab31L5jLTdvVaC9qw11 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBG1cXeJddvdAxOva4RAiQVAJ9Mzy9d05LEOq24zFWAFOJKO43ZRACfQzxP +6rjk/sX+U3eO3dX9Fib8l4= =XpfW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-9ab31L5jLTdvVaC9qw11-- From xavier.bestel@free.fr Wed Aug 29 17:27:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D7CB3B027B for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:27:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.441 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.441 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.023, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (NAT!) (firewall!) (up: 8 hrs), (distance 21, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [193.252.22.29] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VRhidqg51Ety for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:27:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp20.orange.fr (smtp20.orange.fr [193.252.22.29]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 543403B009F for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:27:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf2017.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0E16D1C00094 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:26:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from awak.dyndns.org (AGrenoble-257-1-54-65.w86-206.abo.wanadoo.fr [86.206.29.65]) by mwinf2017.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id F380F1C0008A; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:26:25 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20070829212625997.F380F1C0008A@mwinf2017.orange.fr Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=[192.168.4.170] ident=stunnel4) by awak.dyndns.org with asmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1IQV46-0006Dx-00; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:27:06 +0200 Subject: Re: GTK+ Theming improvements From: Xavier Bestel To: Benjamin Berg In-Reply-To: <1188414943.15502.162.camel@localhost> References: <1188414943.15502.162.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:26:24 +0200 Message-Id: <1188422785.6190.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: GTK Devel List , gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:27:34 -0000 On mer, 2007-08-29 at 21:15 +0200, Benjamin Berg wrote: > As a way forward it is important to know what a CSS based theme format > might look like. I'm sure it would look a lot like XUL's chrome files. http://www.mozilla.org/projects/xul/ Xav From internalerror@gmail.com Thu Aug 30 00:43:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E9B43B0009 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:43:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.299 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_BASE64_NO_NAME=0.224, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 5228 hrs), (distance 15, link: (Google 2)), [209.85.146.180] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Lu22D0KZtnAA for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.180]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D8543B0005 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j4so698084wah for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:43:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.156.1 with SMTP id d1mr95948wae.1188448998920; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:43:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.175.9 with HTTP; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:43:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 06:43:18 +0200 From: "Milosz Derezynski" To: "=?UTF-8?Q?Rui_Tiago_Ca=C3=A7=C3=A3o_Matos?=" Subject: Re: GTK+ Theming improvements In-Reply-To: <1188425570.3043.8.camel@hive> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline References: <1188414943.15502.162.camel@localhost> <1188425570.3043.8.camel@hive> Cc: GTK Devel List , gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 04:43:25 -0000 VGhlIHBvaW50IGFib3V0IHNwYXRpYWwgYXdhcmVuZXNzIGhpdCBpdCByaWdodCBvbiB0aGUgc3Bv dCByZWFsbHk7Cmp1c3QgYXMgYSB0aHJvdyBpbiwgaSB0aGluayBzb21ldGhpbmcgbGlrZSB0aGlz IGhlcmUgc2hvdWxkIChzaG91bGQgYXMKaW4sIGl0IHNob3VsZCBiZSBhIGdvYWwgdG8gbWFrZSBp dCBwb3NzaWJsZSkgZG9hYmxlOgoKaHR0cDovL2Z1dHVyZXBhc3QuZnJlZS5mci9idXR0b25ib3gu cG5nCgpPbiA4LzMwLzA3LCBSdWkgVGlhZ28gQ2HDp8OjbyBNYXRvcyA8dGlhZ29tYXRvc0BnbWFp bC5jb20+IHdyb3RlOgo+IE9uIFF1YSwgMjAwNy0wOC0yOSBhdCAyMToxNSArMDIwMCwgQmVuamFt aW4gQmVyZyB3cm90ZToKPiA+IE5laWdoYm91ciBtYXRjaGluZyBpcyBpbXBvc3NpYmxlIGluIEdU SysgY3VycmVudGx5IGFuZCBpdCB3b3VsZCB3aXRoCj4gPiB0aGVtaW5nIHBhZGRpbmdzIGJldHdl ZW4gd2lkZ2V0cy4KPgo+IFNvcnJ5LCBJIGNhbid0IGZvbGxvdyB5b3Ugb24gdGhpcyBzZW50ZW5j ZS4KPgo+ID4gKiBTZXBhcmF0aW5nIHBvc2l0aW9uaW5nIG9mIHdpZGdldHMgb3V0IG9mIHRoZSBh cHBsaWNhdGlvbiwgYW5kCj4gPiAgICAgICAgIGludG8gdGhlIHRoZW1lLgo+Cj4gVGhpcyBpcyB2 ZXJ5IGludGVyZXN0aW5nLiBJTU8gdGhlIHByb2dyYW1tZXIgc2hvdWxkbid0IG5lZWQgdG8gd29y cnkKPiBhYm91dCBVSSBkZXNpZ24gb3IgdGhpbmdzIGxpa2UgdGhlIEhJRy4gSWYgdGhlcmUgd2Fz IGEgbWVhbnMgYnkgd2l0Y2gKPiB0aGUgcHJvZ3JhbW1lciBjb3VsZCBzcGVjaWZ5IHRoZSBhY3Rp b25zIGFuZCBhc3NvY2lhdGVkIGRhdGEgKHRoZQo+IHNlbWFudGljcykgdGhlbiBhbm90aGVyIGxh eWVyIGNvdWxkIGFwcGx5IGEgc3R5bGUgc2hlZXQgdG8gaXQgdG8KPiBnZW5lcmF0ZSB0aGUgaW50 ZXJmYWNlLiBNYXliZSB0aGVyZSBzaG91bGQgYmUgdHdvIHR5cGVzIG9mIHN0eWxlIHNoZWV0cywK PiBvbmUgc3BlY2lmaWMgdG8gdGhlIHByb2dyYW0gKGFuYWxvZ291cyB0byBhIGdsYWRlIGZpbGUp IGFuZCBhIGdlbmVyYWwKPiBvbmUgd2hpY2ggd291bGQgZW5jb21wYXNzIHdoYXQgd2UgdG9kYXkg Y2FsbCBhIHRoZW1lIGFuZCB3aGljaCBjb3VsZAo+IGVuZm9yY2UgdGhlIEhJRy4KPgo+ID4gSSB0 aGluayBhbiBpbnRlcmVzdGluZyB0aGluZyB0byBkaXNjdXNzIGlzIHRoZSBzY29wZSBvZiBhbnkg c3lzdGVtLiBJdAo+ID4gd2FzIHN1Z2dlc3RlZCB0aGF0IHRoZSB0aGVtZSBzaG91bGQgYmUgYWJs ZSB0byBoYW5kbGUgbGFyZ2UgcGFydHMgb2YgdGhlCj4gPiBVSSBkZXNpZ24uIE90aGVyIHRoaW5n cyB0aGF0IGNvdWxkIGJlIGhhbmRsZWQgYnkgdGhlbWVzIGluY2x1ZGUKPiA+IGFwcGxpY2F0aW9u IGdyYXBoaWNzIChlZy4gbmF1dGlsdXMgZGlzayB1c2FnZSBwaWUgY2hhcnQpIG9yIHRoZSBtZXRh Y2l0eQo+ID4gd2luZG93IGZyYW1lcy4KPgo+IFRoaXMgaXMgc29tZXRoaW5nIHRoYXQgSSd2ZSB0 aGlua2luZyBvZiBsYXRlbHk6IHdoeSBjYW4ndCBhcHBsaWNhdGlvbnMKPiBiZSBpbiBjb250cm9s IG9mIHRoZWlyIHdpbmRvdyBkZWNvcmF0aW9ucz8gVGhlIHdpbmRvdyBtYW5hZ2VyIGNvdWxkIGJl Cj4gdGhlcmUgZG9pbmcgYWxsIGl0J3Mgbm9uIHZpc2libGUgd29yayBhbnl3YXkgYnV0IHRoZSBh cHAgKG9mIGNvdXJzZSBJJ20KPiB0aGlua2luZyB0aGUgdG9vbGtpdCBoZXJlKSBjb3VsZCBkbyBh bGwgdGhlIGRyYXdpbmcgYW5kIHRodXMgYmUgaW4KPiBjb21wbGV0ZSBjb250cm9sIG92ZXIgaXQn cyBpbnRlcmZhY2UsIG1lYW5pbmcgdGhhdCB0aGUgZnVuY3Rpb25hbGl0eSBhbmQKPiB0aGUgYXBw ZWFyYW5jZSBvZiB0aGUgZGVjb3JhdGlvbnMgY291bGQgYmUgbXVjaCBtb3JlIGludGVncmF0ZWQg d2l0aCBhcHAKPiBpdHNlbGYuCj4KPiBBbnl3YXkgSSBvZnRlbiBkcmlmdCBpbnRvIG92ZXItZW5n aW5lZXJpbmcgOi0pIEJUVywgYWxsIG9mIHRoaXMgaXMKPiBvYnZpb3VzbHkgMy4wIG1hdGVyaWFs LiBJIGJlbGlldmUgdGhlc2UgdGhlbWluZyBpbXByb3ZlbWVudHMgYXJlIGFsc28/Cj4KPiBSdWkK Pgo+Cj4gX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KPiBn dGstZGV2ZWwtbGlzdCBtYWlsaW5nIGxpc3QKPiBndGstZGV2ZWwtbGlzdEBnbm9tZS5vcmcKPiBo dHRwOi8vbWFpbC5nbm9tZS5vcmcvbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby9ndGstZGV2ZWwtbGlzdAo+Cj4K Pgo= From benjamin@sipsolutions.net Fri Aug 31 11:45:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F1383B0121; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 11:45:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 1660 hrs), (distance 18, link: ethernet/modem), [195.210.38.204] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d-8-iwVieifc; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 11:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sipsolutions.net (crystal.sipsolutions.net [195.210.38.204]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D8743B011D; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 11:45:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [91.5.81.116] (helo=[10.0.0.6]) by sipsolutions.net with esmtpsa (SSL 3.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_MD5:16) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IR8gF-0008HS-7F; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:45:08 +0100 Subject: Re: GTK+ Theming improvements From: Benjamin Berg To: Alberto Ruiz In-Reply-To: <46c5a0950708301842j363c499di4029cc16002b63ee@mail.gmail.com> References: <1188414943.15502.162.camel@localhost> <1188425570.3043.8.camel@hive> <46c5a0950708301842j363c499di4029cc16002b63ee@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-E+F1w9b2xLzYHiutNvMV" Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:44:58 +0200 Message-Id: <1188575098.14842.50.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 Cc: GTK Devel List , gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:45:22 -0000 --=-E+F1w9b2xLzYHiutNvMV Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2007-31-08 at 02:42 +0100, Alberto Ruiz wrote: >=20 >=20 > 2007/8/30, Milosz Derezynski : > The point about spatial awareness hit it right on the spot > really; > just as a throw in, i think something like this here should > (should as > in, it should be a goal to make it possible) doable: > =20 > http://futurepast.free.fr/buttonbox.png >=20 > That would actually rock for the native Mac OS X theme (we need a > theme for the ongoing port though), since the tabs used in cocoa > behave exactly like that. It would allow to improve the highlight for > multiple selections as well. Do we need to break Gtk to achieve this?=20 As the engine gets the widget that is passed in you can do crazy hacks based on that. I have actually implemented a hack like this for the toolbar once. But to get this right what one needs is a way for applications to hint where it makes sense to draw buttons connected, or where it should not happen. So this is something that I think needs a generic API to set hints (to some extend attaching data to the widget could work today), and a carefully designed specification that both themes and applications can implement independently. Benjamin --=-E+F1w9b2xLzYHiutNvMV Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBG2Dd6JddvdAxOva4RAu+vAJ4jbkGVWg6ybNEKQXFy0pYV5g7uVACfSZWN uXVxhyTbGoUYhC+6eXAsK0c= =G0wk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-E+F1w9b2xLzYHiutNvMV-- From internalerror@gmail.com Fri Aug 31 14:09:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81F903B0076 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:09:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 8100 hrs), (distance 13, link: (Google 2)), [209.85.198.186] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oB-TItB37wjA for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:09:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.186]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCDAE3B00EA for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:09:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k20so466396rvb for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 11:09:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.93.16 with SMTP id v16mr1732115wal.1188583766352; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 11:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.175.9 with HTTP; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 11:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:09:26 +0200 From: "Milosz Derezynski" To: "Alberto Ruiz" Subject: Re: GTK+ Theming improvements In-Reply-To: <46c5a0950708301842j363c499di4029cc16002b63ee@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1188414943.15502.162.camel@localhost> <1188425570.3043.8.camel@hive> <46c5a0950708301842j363c499di4029cc16002b63ee@mail.gmail.com> Cc: GTK Devel List , gnome-themes-list@gnome.org, =?UTF-8?Q?Rui_Tiago_Ca=C3=A7=C3=A3o_Matos?= X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 18:09:59 -0000 Hey Alberto, I thought about it further and it would be also possible with the current Gtk+; the outer buttons would just need to render themselves in a different way, and with current API and internals, the API user would need to make sure of that; furthermore give the box a spacing of 0px, and then it should (almost) work. Almost, because each button would still draw a border for itself, so the border between the inner buttons wouldn't look exactly the same, as in the mockup. Ultimately, the theme rendering should take care of all this though; i don't really know the Aqua APIs for the tabs (yeah you're right the tabs on OS X look like this :), but i'm sure the API user (on OS X) doesn't need to create the outer tabs as different widgets than the other tabs (probably he doesn't create them at all in the simple version of the API, but the point is the same still). On 8/31/07, Alberto Ruiz wrote: > > > 2007/8/30, Milosz Derezynski : > > The point about spatial awareness hit it right on the spot really; > > just as a throw in, i think something like this here should (should as > > in, it should be a goal to make it possible) doable: > > > > http://futurepast.free.fr/buttonbox.png > > That would actually rock for the native Mac OS X theme (we need a theme for > the ongoing port though), since the tabs used in cocoa behave exactly like > that. It would allow to improve the highlight for multiple selections as > well. Do we need to break Gtk to achieve this? > > > -- > Un saludo, > Alberto Ruiz From pcjc2@cam.ac.uk Fri Aug 31 15:09:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98BA23B010A for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:09:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 1518 hrs), (distance 23, link: ethernet/modem), [131.111.8.136] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XX9yUYwT4esC for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:08:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppsw-6.csi.cam.ac.uk (ppsw-6.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.136]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 053B43B00CD for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:08:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Cam-SpamDetails: Not scanned X-Cam-AntiVirus: No virus found X-Cam-ScannerInfo: http://www.cam.ac.uk/cs/email/scanner/ Received: from dsl-217-155-45-158.zen.co.uk ([217.155.45.158]:53701 helo=[192.168.2.8]) by ppsw-6.csi.cam.ac.uk (smtp.hermes.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.156]:465) with esmtpsa (LOGIN:pcjc2) (SSLv3:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) id 1IRBrG-0003LX-KG (Exim 4.67) for gnome-themes-list@gnome.org (return-path ); Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:08:42 +0100 Subject: Re: GTK+ Theming improvements From: Peter Clifton To: gnome-themes-list In-Reply-To: References: <1188414943.15502.162.camel@localhost> <1188425570.3043.8.camel@hive> <46c5a0950708301842j363c499di4029cc16002b63ee@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:08:56 +0100 Message-Id: <1188587336.11606.9.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.11.91 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 19:09:03 -0000 On Fri, 2007-08-31 at 20:09 +0200, Milosz Derezynski wrote: > Hey Alberto, > > I thought about it further and it would be also possible with the > current Gtk+; the outer buttons would just need to render themselves > in a different way, and with current API and internals, the API user > would need to make sure of that; furthermore give the box a spacing of > 0px, and then it should (almost) work. > > Almost, because each button would still draw a border for itself, so > the border between the inner buttons wouldn't look exactly the same, > as in the mockup. Could a sensible (IE - like it is at present) tree-view header be constructed out of similarly conjoined buttons, or is there further themeing required? (Assuming we could switch off the corner rounding and pre-lighting at will). -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) From internalerror@gmail.com Fri Aug 31 15:41:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40CFA3B0299 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:41:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 5618 hrs), (distance 13, link: (Google 2)), [209.85.146.178] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XUj+XYfCsgsp for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.178]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DB8E3B02E1 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:41:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j4so1520419wah for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 12:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.90.1 with SMTP id s1mr1141304wal.1188589279687; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 12:41:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.175.9 with HTTP; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 12:41:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 21:41:19 +0200 From: "Milosz Derezynski" To: "Peter Clifton" Subject: Re: GTK+ Theming improvements In-Reply-To: <1188586904.11606.2.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1188414943.15502.162.camel@localhost> <1188425570.3043.8.camel@hive> <46c5a0950708301842j363c499di4029cc16002b63ee@mail.gmail.com> <1188586904.11606.2.camel@localhost> Cc: Alberto Ruiz , GTK Devel List , gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 19:41:52 -0000 Nope. That's what Aaron's post is all about: http://abock.org/2007/07/02/suboptimal-theming-in-gtk/ On 8/31/07, Peter Clifton wrote: > > On Fri, 2007-08-31 at 20:09 +0200, Milosz Derezynski wrote: > > Hey Alberto, > > > > I thought about it further and it would be also possible with the > > current Gtk+; the outer buttons would just need to render themselves > > in a different way, and with current API and internals, the API user > > would need to make sure of that; furthermore give the box a spacing of > > 0px, and then it should (almost) work. > > > > Almost, because each button would still draw a border for itself, so > > the border between the inner buttons wouldn't look exactly the same, > > as in the mockup. > > Could a sensible (IE - like it is at present) tree-view header be > constructed out of similarly conjoined buttons, or is there further > themeing required? (Assuming we could switch off the corner rounding and > pre-lighting at will). > > -- > Peter Clifton > > Electrical Engineering Division, > Engineering Department, > University of Cambridge, > 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, > Cambridge > CB3 0FA > > Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) > > From benjamin@sipsolutions.net Fri Aug 31 15:41:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0BAA3B0344; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:41:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 1663 hrs), (distance 18, link: ethernet/modem), [195.210.38.204] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ItvowMXymnx4; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:41:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sipsolutions.net (crystal.sipsolutions.net [195.210.38.204]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5507B3B0290; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [91.5.81.116] (helo=[10.0.0.6]) by sipsolutions.net with esmtpsa (SSL 3.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_MD5:16) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IRCMQ-0001HE-D1; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:40:59 +0100 Subject: Re: GTK+ Theming improvements From: Benjamin Berg To: Peter Clifton In-Reply-To: <1188586904.11606.2.camel@localhost> References: <1188414943.15502.162.camel@localhost> <1188425570.3043.8.camel@hive> <46c5a0950708301842j363c499di4029cc16002b63ee@mail.gmail.com> <1188586904.11606.2.camel@localhost> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-Vl4mDco1RSqQ/uu5iG4c" Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 21:40:38 +0200 Message-Id: <1188589238.14842.54.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 Cc: GTK Devel List , gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 19:41:55 -0000 --=-Vl4mDco1RSqQ/uu5iG4c Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2007-31-08 at 20:01 +0100, Peter Clifton wrote: > Could a sensible (IE - like it is at present) tree-view header be > constructed out of similarly conjoined buttons, or is there further > themeing required? (Assuming we could switch off the corner rounding and > pre-lighting at will). Maybe I am misunderstanding something here, but the headers of GtkTreeView are basically normal buttons with special theming applied to them. Also note that any kind of rounding is done on the theme level, and GTK+ and the application does not control or know about it. Benjamin --=-Vl4mDco1RSqQ/uu5iG4c Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBG2G62JddvdAxOva4RAs+BAJ9fNVLjJCuWiu3IPd59hw83QKW9EgCcCip9 UMRIiJENCmP4ms9eZQH2x7M= =FOfn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-Vl4mDco1RSqQ/uu5iG4c-- From pcjc2@cam.ac.uk Fri Aug 31 16:18:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82E653B007B; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:18:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (up: 11318 hrs), (distance 23, link: ethernet/modem), [131.111.8.133] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Qu0jOR3xcGb8; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:18:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppsw-3.csi.cam.ac.uk (ppsw-3.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.133]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A15C93B006C; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:18:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Cam-SpamDetails: Not scanned X-Cam-AntiVirus: No virus found X-Cam-ScannerInfo: http://www.cam.ac.uk/cs/email/scanner/ Received: from dsl-217-155-45-158.zen.co.uk ([217.155.45.158]:55917 helo=[192.168.2.8]) by ppsw-3.csi.cam.ac.uk (smtp.hermes.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.153]:465) with esmtpsa (LOGIN:pcjc2) (SSLv3:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) id 1IRCwL-0000IF-Ct (Exim 4.63) (return-path ); Fri, 31 Aug 2007 21:18:02 +0100 Subject: Re: GTK+ Theming improvements From: Peter Clifton To: Milosz Derezynski In-Reply-To: References: <1188414943.15502.162.camel@localhost> <1188425570.3043.8.camel@hive> <46c5a0950708301842j363c499di4029cc16002b63ee@mail.gmail.com> <1188586904.11606.2.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 21:18:11 +0100 Message-Id: <1188591491.12143.9.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.11.91 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Alberto Ruiz , GTK Devel List , gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:18:55 -0000 On Fri, 2007-08-31 at 21:41 +0200, Milosz Derezynski wrote: > On 8/31/07, Peter Clifton wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2007-08-31 at 20:09 +0200, Milosz Derezynski wrote: > > > Hey Alberto, > > > > > > I thought about it further and it would be also possible with the > > > current Gtk+; the outer buttons would just need to render themselves > > > in a different way, and with current API and internals, the API user > > > would need to make sure of that; furthermore give the box a spacing of > > > 0px, and then it should (almost) work. > > > > > > Almost, because each button would still draw a border for itself, so > > > the border between the inner buttons wouldn't look exactly the same, > > > as in the mockup. > > > > Could a sensible (IE - like it is at present) tree-view header be > > constructed out of similarly conjoined buttons, or is there further > > themeing required? (Assuming we could switch off the corner rounding and > > pre-lighting at will). > > Nope. That's what Aaron's post is all about: > http://abock.org/2007/07/02/suboptimal-theming-in-gtk/ I didn't mean is it possible with the current code, rather - would getting support for "conjoined" widgets provide a sufficient interface for drawing tree view headers. Whilst the widgets don't know about rounding, the application programmer is in a unique position to specify via some API or "hint" that widgets belong together. (I think this is much less the case in the button example posted actually though, that case would be a theme decision I believe). By specifying - either at the theme level, or widget implementation / application level, that a particular widget expects to be drawn closely against another one should be enough to control the spacings and corner rounding. At the application (or widget implementation) level, we might add a flag to a button which makes it expect to be packed tight against another widget. This would turn off rounding on those tightly packed sides. Perhaps this hinting could be a properly of the container widgets were being packed into. My question was... is this enough to do everything a tree-view header special-cases? I'm not familiar with that widget's code. Kind regards, -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) From andrea.cimitan@gmail.com Fri Aug 24 10:14:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF8AC3B00B2 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 10:14:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.523 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_SV=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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( [79.0.174.233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p30sm1055472hub.2007.08.24.07.13.59 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 07:14:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Default background From: Andrea Cimitan To: Andreas Nilsson In-Reply-To: <46CECE52.2080603@home.se> References: <46CD6995.5060100@home.se> <53c9bbb20708230421j42d9feaayd8df9c4692e0359e@mail.gmail.com> <46CD6FD6.303@home.se> <46CEA7EF.4000105@home.se> <53c9bbb20708240507u29a49b90h41aba00014170e18@mail.gmail.com> <46CECE52.2080603@home.se> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:12:44 +0200 Message-Id: <1187964764.6829.1.camel@hydra.cimi.dtdns.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 07:15:31 -0400 Cc: Garrett LeSage , gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:14:09 -0000 Il giorno ven, 24/08/2007 alle 14.25 +0200, Andreas Nilsson ha scritto: > Garrett LeSage wrote: > > On 8/24/07, *Andreas Nilsson* > > wrote: > > > > > > Cimi flipped it, cleaned it up a bit and made the colors sync better > > with Clearlooks. > > http://cimi.netsons.org/gnome/wallpapers/target13.html > > > > - Andreas > > > > > > > > > > That looks great! > > > > Yay for teamwork! > Got some more teamwork over here! :) > Lapo did some further touchups and color corrections: > http://xoomer.alice.it/bat/tmp/wall-cleanedup-soft.jpg > This makes it a bit more neutral and suitable for a background, works a > bit better with the new clearlooks as well. > This is pretty much final then I guess. Where do we put this in svn exactly? > - Andreas It's still too saturated... take a look at icons in the topleft, the contrast between them and the green background will destroy the eyes of a lot of users. "Gnome will cause blindness", we will see on slashdot. -- Andrea Cimitan From arclnx@gmail.com Thu Aug 30 21:43:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DA2A3B0173 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:43:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.225 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.225 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_30_40=0.374, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 3447 hrs), (distance 13, link: (Google 2)), [66.249.82.226] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t6ts8SD5-hqt for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.226]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECC6C3B0188 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:43:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h26so589786wxd for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:42:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.52.18 with SMTP id z18mr1382222agz.1188524534053; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:42:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.70.6 with HTTP; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:42:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46c5a0950708301842j363c499di4029cc16002b63ee@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 02:42:14 +0100 From: "Alberto Ruiz" Sender: arclnx@gmail.com To: "Milosz Derezynski" Subject: Re: GTK+ Theming improvements In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4430_30828593.1188524534016" References: <1188414943.15502.162.camel@localhost> <1188425570.3043.8.camel@hive> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4c8032ebedd1791d X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 07:16:03 -0400 Cc: GTK Devel List , gnome-themes-list@gnome.org, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rui_Tiago_Ca=E7=E3o_Matos?= X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 01:43:07 -0000 ------=_Part_4430_30828593.1188524534016 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline 2007/8/30, Milosz Derezynski : > > The point about spatial awareness hit it right on the spot really; > just as a throw in, i think something like this here should (should as > in, it should be a goal to make it possible) doable: > > http://futurepast.free.fr/buttonbox.png That would actually rock for the native Mac OS X theme (we need a theme for the ongoing port though), since the tabs used in cocoa behave exactly like that. It would allow to improve the highlight for multiple selections as well. Do we need to break Gtk to achieve this? -- Un saludo, Alberto Ruiz ------=_Part_4430_30828593.1188524534016 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

2007/8/30, Milosz Derezynski <internalerror@gmail.com>:
The point about spatial awareness hit it right on the spot really;
just as a throw in, i think something like this here should (should as
in, it should be a goal to make it possible) doable:

http://futurepast.free.fr/buttonbox.png

That would actually rock for the native Mac OS X theme (we need a theme for the ongoing port though), since the tabs  used in cocoa  behave exactly like that. It would allow to improve the highlight for multiple selections as well. Do we need to break Gtk to achieve this?


--
Un saludo,
Alberto Ruiz ------=_Part_4430_30828593.1188524534016-- From lievenvanderheide@gmail.com Fri Aug 31 07:27:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A3553B0113 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 07:27:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.523 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 5536 hrs), (distance 13, link: (Google 2)), [209.85.146.177] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T-lVLSomjRkp for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 07:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.177]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8A3E3B00C4 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 07:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j4so1371580wah for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 04:26:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.78.1 with SMTP id a1mr692974wab.1188559599427; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 04:26:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.77.17 with HTTP; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 04:26:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3e5a56b90708310426v2960010et1db2b7d5d16d833c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 13:26:39 +0200 From: "Lieven van der Heide" To: "Benjamin Berg" Subject: Re: GTK+ Theming improvements In-Reply-To: <1188414943.15502.162.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1188414943.15502.162.camel@localhost> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 07:16:38 -0400 Cc: GTK Devel List , gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 11:27:44 -0000 As for the general rendering of widgets, I think the current way of letting the widget itself do the drawing, using a bunch of primitives (ie. boxes, frames, etc.), and then letting the theme engines theme just those primitives, instead of the whole widget, has shown to not really work. What most theme engines seem to be doing now, is kind of reverse engeneer those draw calls, and then render the theming in their own way, which often is quite different from what the widget actually thought is was drawing. I think it would be better if each widget just has it's own, specific rendering class, which has a single function that should render the complete widget at once. (this way, you kind of get a model/view seperation inside controls). Themes can then override this rendering class, and have complete freedom inside the render function of that rendering class. Each renderer should also have a default implementation, which renders the widget in a default way, using lower level rendering classes, which render things like edges and boxes. If a theme engine doesn't implement a specific widget's rendering class, but it did implement the lower level ones, then it will still be rendered using something that fits your theme (basically in the same way it's supposed to work now). It should also be possible for a renderer to use the renderer of another (more basic) widget ,for example, a treeview could use the button renderer as the default renderer for it's column headers. pseudo code for the default renderer of a checkbox: class CheckBoxRenderer { struct Params_s { int state; string label; } virtual void render(GdkDrawable target,Params_s params) { // default implementation that uses the generic renderer GenericRenderer generic_renderer = get_renderer(GENERIC_RENDERER); generic_renderer.render_box(target,Rect(0,0,16,16)); if(params.state) { generic_renderer.draw_check(target,Rect(0,0,16,16)); } generic_renderer.draw_text(target,Point(24,0),params.label); } } In this example, overriding the generic renderer class will let you do theming in the way it's done right now, overriding the CheckBoxRenderer will give you complete freedom over the way you want to render the checkbox To still be able to set up some generic theming things, that will be used by On 8/29/07, Benjamin Berg wrote: > Hello, > > So here finally an E-Mail about the GTK+ theming discussion we had at > the start of GUADEC and some things I picked up. > > In the discussion CSS had been mentioned a lot of times to a large > extend because of the matching abilities that it has. It is possible to > match on the hierarchy and also neighbours. Neighbour matching is > impossible in GTK+ currently and it would with theming paddings between > widgets. Also in CSS/HTML an item can have multiple classes. > > Here are some of the main points/ideas: > * Multiple themes in one application (eg. theme preview, glade) > * Instead of having the support directly in GTK+ create a common > library that can be used by Firefox, OpenOffice and maybe even > KDE/QT > * Don't use pixel sizes -- The maemo people designed the interface > in millimetre, however this is not that useful on a desktop > machine. > * Separating positioning of widgets out of the application, and > into the theme. > * No non-transparent X windows if possible > * 3D widgets, eg. lighting effects, or when rotating workspaces > * Solid animation support and transition effects. (imagine eg. an > animation when a menu item is activated, or handling an opening > expander) > > There is also http://live.gnome.org/GTK%2B/NewThemeApi (which needs to > be updated) but I this is a pretty complete list. > > I think an interesting thing to discuss is the scope of any system. It > was suggested that the theme should be able to handle large parts of the > UI design. Other things that could be handled by themes include > application graphics (eg. nautilus disk usage pie chart) or the metacity > window frames. > > > As a way forward it is important to know what a CSS based theme format > might look like. Andreas Nilson has said he could help in this area. > Other than this any ideas and comments are of course welcome. > > To help the overall process, I can try to keep the wiki in sync with any > arguments that are brought up. > > Benjamin > > _______________________________________________ > gtk-devel-list mailing list > gtk-devel-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list > > > From garrettl@gmail.com Fri Aug 24 08:07:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15A573B0074 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:07:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (Google crawlbot) (firewall!) (up: 1241 hrs), (distance 14, link: (Google 2)), [64.233.184.224] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u7peYKAg05Wz for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.224]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38B7E3B0071 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 69so592969wra for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 05:07:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.104.14 with SMTP id b14mr5180910agc.1187957264856; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 05:07:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.178.10 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 05:07:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <53c9bbb20708240507u29a49b90h41aba00014170e18@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:07:44 -0400 From: "Garrett LeSage" To: "Andreas Nilsson" Subject: Re: Default background In-Reply-To: <46CEA7EF.4000105@home.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_159504_3923506.1187957264816" References: <46CD6995.5060100@home.se> <53c9bbb20708230421j42d9feaayd8df9c4692e0359e@mail.gmail.com> <46CD6FD6.303@home.se> <46CEA7EF.4000105@home.se> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 07:18:20 -0400 Cc: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:07:50 -0000 ------=_Part_159504_3923506.1187957264816 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 8/24/07, Andreas Nilsson wrote: > > > Cimi flipped it, cleaned it up a bit and made the colors sync better > with Clearlooks. > http://cimi.netsons.org/gnome/wallpapers/target13.html > > - Andreas > That looks great! Yay for teamwork! Garrett ------=_Part_159504_3923506.1187957264816 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
On 8/24/07, Andreas Nilsson <nisses.mail@home.se> wrote:

Cimi flipped it, cleaned it up a bit and made the colors sync better
with Clearlooks.
http://cimi.netsons.org/gnome/wallpapers/target13.html

- Andreas


 
That looks great!

Yay for teamwork!

 
Garrett
------=_Part_159504_3923506.1187957264816-- From garrettl@gmail.com Fri Aug 24 08:46:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA00D3B009A for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:46:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.026 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.026 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_40_50=0.496, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_SV=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 5377 hrs), (distance 15, link: (Google 2)), [209.85.132.246] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OzVibEijYL+P for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:46:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.246]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 086C73B006E for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:46:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c34so88416anc for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 05:46:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.118.8 with SMTP id q8mr693086agc.1187959581427; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 05:46:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.178.10 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 05:46:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <53c9bbb20708240546x4190f0c3l47ccbd9a942c4b33@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:46:21 -0400 From: "Garrett LeSage" To: "Andreas Nilsson" Subject: Re: Default background In-Reply-To: <46CECE52.2080603@home.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_159785_17044820.1187959581350" References: <46CD6995.5060100@home.se> <53c9bbb20708230421j42d9feaayd8df9c4692e0359e@mail.gmail.com> <46CD6FD6.303@home.se> <46CEA7EF.4000105@home.se> <53c9bbb20708240507u29a49b90h41aba00014170e18@mail.gmail.com> <46CECE52.2080603@home.se> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 07:18:40 -0400 Cc: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:46:26 -0000 ------=_Part_159785_17044820.1187959581350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 8/24/07, Andreas Nilsson wrote: > > Got some more teamwork over here! :) > Lapo did some further touchups and color corrections: > http://xoomer.alice.it/bat/tmp/wall-cleanedup-soft.jpg > This makes it a bit more neutral and suitable for a background, works a > bit better with the new clearlooks as well. > This is pretty much final then I guess. Where do we put this in svn > exactly? Hmm, there's still a dot on the main vein on the left side that I would clone out. Garrett ------=_Part_159785_17044820.1187959581350 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
On 8/24/07, Andreas Nilsson <nisses.mail@home.se> wrote:
Got some more teamwork over here! :)
Lapo did some further touchups and color corrections:
http://xoomer.alice.it/bat/tmp/wall-cleanedup-soft.jpg
This makes it a bit more neutral and suitable for a background, works a
bit better with the new clearlooks as well.
This is pretty much final then I guess. Where do we put this in svn exactly?


Hmm, there's still a dot on the main vein on the left side that I would clone out.

Garrett
------=_Part_159785_17044820.1187959581350-- From mwelinder@gmail.com Wed Aug 29 15:42:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F6A03B0005 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:42:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.329 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.329 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.271, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 3365 hrs), (distance 17, link: (Google 2)), [66.249.92.175] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ERvyvfCUhIZi for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:42:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.175]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78AF23B006E for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:42:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id c2so142484ugf for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:41:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.149.13 with SMTP id w13mr584249hud.1188416493928; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:41:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.172.2 with HTTP; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:41:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <118833cc0708291241j6ff4a018k54c504861757737d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:41:33 -0400 From: "Morten Welinder" To: "Benjamin Berg" Subject: Re: GTK+ Theming improvements In-Reply-To: <1188414943.15502.162.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1188414943.15502.162.camel@localhost> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 07:19:12 -0400 Cc: GTK Devel List , gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:42:36 -0000 The thing I miss from your list is how to make sure themes' code does not crash the innocent application into which they get loaded. There have been several rounds of obscure bug reports for Gnumeric that basically came down to theme code bugs. Morten From pcjc2@cam.ac.uk Fri Aug 31 15:01:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5097C3B006C; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:01:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 1518 hrs), (distance 23, link: ethernet/modem), [131.111.8.136] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QOkXrztymr6O; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppsw-6.csi.cam.ac.uk (ppsw-6.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.136]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8BB33B0076; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:01:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Cam-SpamDetails: Not scanned X-Cam-AntiVirus: No virus found X-Cam-ScannerInfo: http://www.cam.ac.uk/cs/email/scanner/ Received: from dsl-217-155-45-158.zen.co.uk ([217.155.45.158]:59947 helo=[192.168.2.8]) by ppsw-6.csi.cam.ac.uk (smtp.hermes.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.156]:465) with esmtpsa (LOGIN:pcjc2) (SSLv3:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) id 1IRBkI-0001RL-Ki (Exim 4.67) (return-path ); Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:01:30 +0100 Subject: Re: GTK+ Theming improvements From: Peter Clifton To: Milosz Derezynski In-Reply-To: References: <1188414943.15502.162.camel@localhost> <1188425570.3043.8.camel@hive> <46c5a0950708301842j363c499di4029cc16002b63ee@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:01:44 +0100 Message-Id: <1188586904.11606.2.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.11.91 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 07:20:26 -0400 Cc: Alberto Ruiz , GTK Devel List , gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 19:01:43 -0000 On Fri, 2007-08-31 at 20:09 +0200, Milosz Derezynski wrote: > Hey Alberto, > > I thought about it further and it would be also possible with the > current Gtk+; the outer buttons would just need to render themselves > in a different way, and with current API and internals, the API user > would need to make sure of that; furthermore give the box a spacing of > 0px, and then it should (almost) work. > > Almost, because each button would still draw a border for itself, so > the border between the inner buttons wouldn't look exactly the same, > as in the mockup. Could a sensible (IE - like it is at present) tree-view header be constructed out of similarly conjoined buttons, or is there further themeing required? (Assuming we could switch off the corner rounding and pre-lighting at will). -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) From suseux@googlemail.com Thu Aug 23 08:24:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 997EC3B00DB for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:24:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 8561 hrs), (distance 17, link: (Google 2)), [66.249.90.181] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9hfhFcmQgF18 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:24:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ik-out-1112.google.com (ik-out-1112.google.com [66.249.90.181]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74C503B02AB for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:24:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ik-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c28so177189ika for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 05:24:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.183.15 with SMTP id g15mr1169668huf.1187871862447; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 05:24:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?86.3.216.166? ( [86.3.216.166]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 30sm923642hue.2007.08.23.05.24.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 23 Aug 2007 05:24:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: New Ideas To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:24:18 +0100 Message-Id: <1187871858.30361.6.camel@sean-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 07:22:07 -0400 X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:24:27 -0000 Hello all, I hope to contribute new ideas and artwork. You can look here for some mockups and ideas for now(mostly unfinished and for 2.22) of mine http://picasaweb.google.com/SuseUX/GNOME Sean Wilson From tiagomatos@gmail.com Wed Aug 29 18:13:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D67593B0009; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:13:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -1.689 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.689 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.293, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=1.069] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 1942 hrs), (distance 25, link: ethernet/modem), [193.136.173.3] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VsvY1hHnxag6; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:13:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgpmail.ua.pt (frontend-2.servers.ua.pt [193.136.173.3]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6137C3B00FB; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [213.146.223.113] (account rui.matos@ua.pt HELO hive) by frontend-2.cgpmail.ua.pt (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.10) with ESMTPSA id 77505297; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:12:58 +0100 Received-SPF: neutral receiver=frontend-2.cgpmail.ua.pt; client-ip=213.146.223.113; envelope-from=tiagomatos@gmail.com Received: by hive (Postfix, from userid 500) id 4BC168FE43; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:12:51 +0100 (WEST) Subject: Re: GTK+ Theming improvements From: Rui Tiago =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ca=E7=E3o?= Matos To: Benjamin Berg In-Reply-To: <1188414943.15502.162.camel@localhost> References: <1188414943.15502.162.camel@localhost> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-TTNsP8zecP2RFxIsPHnr" Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:12:50 +0100 Message-Id: <1188425570.3043.8.camel@hive> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 (2.10.3-2.fc7) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 07:22:35 -0400 Cc: GTK Devel List , gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-themes-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME and GTK+ Themes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:13:15 -0000 --=-TTNsP8zecP2RFxIsPHnr Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Qua, 2007-08-29 at 21:15 +0200, Benjamin Berg wrote: > Neighbour matching is impossible in GTK+ currently and it would with > theming paddings between widgets. Sorry, I can't follow you on this sentence.=20 > * Separating positioning of widgets out of the application, and > into the theme. This is very interesting. IMO the programmer shouldn't need to worry about UI design or things like the HIG. If there was a means by witch the programmer could specify the actions and associated data (the semantics) then another layer could apply a style sheet to it to generate the interface. Maybe there should be two types of style sheets, one specific to the program (analogous to a glade file) and a general one which would encompass what we today call a theme and which could enforce the HIG. > I think an interesting thing to discuss is the scope of any system. It > was suggested that the theme should be able to handle large parts of the > UI design. Other things that could be handled by themes include > application graphics (eg. nautilus disk usage pie chart) or the metacity > window frames. This is something that I've thinking of lately: why can't applications be in control of their window decorations? The window manager could be there doing all it's non visible work anyway but the app (of course I'm thinking the toolkit here) could do all the drawing and thus be in complete control over it's interface, meaning that the functionality and the appearance of the decorations could be much more integrated with app itself. Anyway I often drift into over-engineering :-) BTW, all of this is obviously 3.0 material. I believe these theming improvements are also? Rui --=-TTNsP8zecP2RFxIsPHnr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBG1e9fXaUaaGdkBb0RAvWeAKCbu7f81dz1KOUqUxzuVFsvwoCPBgCfXQYe PnBc2wKl0sZ76xIn7DrBmwE= =2Jx4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-TTNsP8zecP2RFxIsPHnr--