From hanksmith@hanksmith.net Mon Dec 1 10:39:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from mediacast1.com (216.55.105.70.hera.net [216.55.105.70]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8127186AF for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 10:39:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from home4pboayp77g (12-230-35-212.client.attbi.com [12.230.35.212]) by mediacast1.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id hB1FdCtY044923 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 10:39:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from hanksmith@hanksmith.net) Message-ID: <002101c3b821$45422460$2101a8c0@home4pboayp77g> From: "hank" To: Subject: testing Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 07:39:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C3B7DE.34BD26A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C3B7DE.34BD26A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable are my messages getting threw to the list? ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C3B7DE.34BD26A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
are my messages getting threw to the=20 list?
------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C3B7DE.34BD26A0-- From lukethemuso@ozemail.com.au Mon Dec 1 15:52:12 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from smta05.mail.ozemail.net (smta05.mail.ozemail.net [203.103.165.90]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C10AE18793 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 15:52:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from luke-laptop.ozemail.com.au ([203.61.132.156]) by smta05.mail.ozemail.net with ESMTP id <20031201205158.VXQB23090.smta05.mail.ozemail.net@luke-laptop.ozemail.com.au>; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 20:51:58 +0000 Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.1.20031202074919.00ab7e90@mail.ozemail.com.au> X-Sender: lukethemuso@mail.ozemail.com.au (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 07:49:27 +1100 To: "hank" From: Luke Yelavich Subject: Re: testing Cc: In-Reply-To: <002101c3b821$45422460$2101a8c0@home4pboayp77g> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: At 02:39 AM 2/12/2003, hank wrote: >are my messages getting threw to the list? Loud and clear. Luke From michael@ximian.com Tue Dec 2 06:33:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D504182D2 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 06:33:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 27155 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 11:33:46 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO linux.local) (michael@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 11:33:45 -0000 Subject: Re: Gnopernicus Questions From: Michael Meeks To: Rich Caloggero Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <005901c3b467$41782590$f0017112@johnlennon> References: <005901c3b467$41782590$f0017112@johnlennon> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Ximian. Message-Id: <1070393526.25955.124.camel@linux.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 19:32:07 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi Rich, On Wed, 2003-11-26 at 21:50, Rich Caloggero wrote: > Well, I've gotten festival working with gnopernicus on my 500MHZ rh9 box. > Its a huge huge improvement over freeTTS in terms of speed. Great :-) > 3. I know nothing about X. However, I've checked the option in gnopernicus > to have it load on startup, and it never starts. I usually login and press > f2 and type gnopernicus. I created a session-manual file in my .gnome2 Ok - so you need to run 'gnome-session-properties' under X; go to the startup-programs tab, and add 'gnopernicus' in there. Of course - you need to start Gnome using gnome-session to get a number of things to work - are you logging in via an accessible gdm2 ? or are you doing some 'startx' thing ? - the latter may make logout not work so well. Also in any bug report, it's really useful to know about your underlying system / vendor / version stuff. Anyway - really glad this is making good progress, Regards, Michael. -- michael@ximian.com <><, Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot From tward1978@earthlink.net Wed Dec 3 14:57:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net (cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.226]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6472D18D97 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 14:57:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdn-ap-017ilchicp0324.dialsprint.net ([65.176.169.70] helo=noneflzmskjmuf) by cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1ARd7P-0002RK-00; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 11:57:04 -0800 Message-ID: <006401c3b9d7$ab6b9ed0$46a9b041@noneflzmskjmuf> From: "Tom and Esther Ward" To: "Kenny Hitt" Cc: References: <003e01c39e88$a6492c20$f5e0b041@noneflzmskjmuf> <20031030172940.GA4545@blackbox.hittsjunk.net> <002901c39f1c$d7d00220$d9c9b041@noneflzmskjmuf> <20031203171450.GA17250@blackbox.hittsjunk.net> Subject: Re: accessible email client on gnome Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 14:57:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hello. As for the focus tracking problem that is a known bug with gnopernicus 0.7 and 0.7.1 stable There are to possibilities you can do for work arounds for the problem. With gnopernicus 0.7.1. First, if you open a message in balsa by pressing enter on the current message, go to mail, and reply you can then use the regular arrows to read the entire message. Yeah, I know it isn't the same, but it works. In fact, i like doing that better than flat review as I can arrow to the letters to get exact spellings. Another less apealing solution is to update gail and gnopernicus from cvs which fixes the flat review bug, but introduces some new bugs. As to the reason I am not using balsa at the moment has nothing to do with accessibility. At the moment I am having problems with my smtp setup. Every time I try to send mail in Linux with mutt, balsa, etc my mail I get an error about not being able to send. However, balsa can pop mail off of earthlink which comes down to I can read mail I just can't send any yet. Until I get smtp going under Mandrake I will just have to improvize with the Windows email clients until such time that I solve the smtp problems. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenny Hitt" To: "Tom and Esther Ward" Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 12:14 PM Subject: Re: accessible email client on gnome > Hi. I have some questions about your suggestions. > My Gnome 2.4 and Gnopernicus 0.71 can't switch into flat review mode. > Every time I try, I get kicked back to focus tracking mode. How did you > fix this? > Second, if balsa is so accessible, why are you still using outlook > express? > > Kenny > > On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 02:34:31PM -0500, Tom and Esther Ward wrote: > > Hi. > > First tab into the text of the message. Then, I use flat review mode to read > > the message. To toggle to flat review use the delete key on the numpad while > > on kpd level 0. > > Then the numpad-8 and numpad-2 will arrow up andd down through the lines of > > the message. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kenny Hitt" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 12:29 PM > > Subject: Re: accessible email client on gnome > > > > > > > Hi. How do you get gnopernicus to read the text of the message in balsa? > > > > > > Kenny > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 08:47:48PM -0500, Tom and Esther Ward wrote: > > > > Hi. > > > > I have found balsa to be one of the most accessible email clients > > around. > > > > What I have done is set my balsa preferences to automatically open my > > inbox > > > > on startup. > > > > However, typically if there are messages in your inbox pressing enter > > should > > > > open that folder. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Don Raikes" > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 7:21 PM > > > > Subject: accessible email client on gnome > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi list, > > > > > > > > > > using gnome 2.4 > > > > > > > > > > I am looking for an accessible email client on gnome using > > gnopernicus. > > > > > > > > > > When I tried balsa, I couldn't manager to open the inbox to see what > > > > > messages I had. I saw the list of mailboxes, but couldn't figure out > > how > > > > > to open the inbox. > > > > > > > > > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > > > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > _______________________________________________ > > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > > > > > From kd7cyu@yahoo.com Thu Dec 4 16:50:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.11.34]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EE4E518264 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 16:50:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown (HELO tom) (kd7cyu@216.173.216.10 with login) by smtp003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 21:50:38 -0000 Message-ID: <002401c3bab0$b2e55410$0200000a@tom> From: "Tom Masterson" To: Subject: gnopernicus question Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:50:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01C3BA6D.A388F7D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C3BA6D.A388F7D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all I finally got x-windows and gnome too work and gnopernicus also runs. = so the next problems are: 1. it doesn't know about my braille display. This is needed since this = computer has no sound. Actually it does have a sound card but linux is = having problems with it and it has no speakers hooked too it anyway so = braille is the only option. So how do I get braille too work? 2. Brlapi tells me something like no authentication found or some such = message. Is this a problem and how do I solve it? 3. When gnopernicus comes up it has the magnifier up and my wife has = trouble finding any thing on teh screen that might help because it gets = burried behind the magnifier. is there a way too tell it not to use the = magnifier? FOr those who need this info it is gnome 2.4 and I am not sure which = version of gnopernicus as it was loaded with gnome. Thanks Tom Masterson ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C3BA6D.A388F7D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all
 
I finally got x-windows and gnome too = work and=20 gnopernicus also runs.  so the next problems are:
 
1.  it doesn't know about my = braille=20 display.  This is needed since this computer has no sound.  = Actually=20 it does have a sound card but linux is having problems with it and it = has no=20 speakers hooked too it anyway so braille is the only option.  So = how do I=20 get braille too work?
 
2.  Brlapi tells me something like = no=20 authentication found or some such message.  Is this a problem and = how do I=20 solve it?
 
3.  When gnopernicus comes up it = has the=20 magnifier up and my wife has trouble finding any thing on teh screen = that might=20 help because it gets burried behind the magnifier.  is there a way = too tell=20 it not to use the magnifier?
 
FOr those who need this info it is = gnome 2.4=20 and  I am not sure which version of gnopernicus as it was loaded = with=20 gnome.
 
Thanks
Tom = Masterson
------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C3BA6D.A388F7D0-- From alpuzz@comcast.net Thu Dec 4 18:53:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 584F3181BF for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 18:53:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from tecra8100 (bgp01091460bgs.waren401.mi.comcast.net[68.43.185.118]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20031204235358016008ei49e>; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 23:53:58 +0000 Message-ID: <001901c3bac2$3e954ea0$6900a8c0@waren401.mi.comcast.net> From: "Al Puzzuoli" To: Subject: Gnopernicus stops after a few minutes. Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 18:56:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01C3BA98.55422760" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C3BA98.55422760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Everyone, I am experimenting with Gnopernicus 0.7.1 on a system running fedora, = and am noticing that after a few minutes of use, usually anywhere = between 5 to 10 minutes, I am losing speech. When this happens, the = only way I have found to restore functionality is to reboot. I haven't = been able to come up with any reproducible factors other than that. it = has happened to me while scrolling through the start menu, working in = Balsa or even just when tabbing through the controls of the Gnopernicus = main window. =20 The problem has occurred with Festival as well as with Dectalk. The = sound card I am currently using is a SoundBlaster live with the standard = drivers as shipped with Fedora, but I also experienced the problem while = using my mainboard's integrated via chipset ac97 with oss drivers. I am working to enable Braille support as well, and once I do, it will = be interesting to see if I am just losing speech and still have Braille = output, or whether the program is crashing altogether. =20 I am a relative newbie to Linux, so if there is more pertinent = troubleshooting info that I might provide, please let me know what it is = and how to obtain it and I would be happy to do so. Thanks in advance for any thoughts. --Al ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C3BA98.55422760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Everyone,
 
I am experimenting with Gnopernicus = 0.7.1 on a=20 system running fedora, and am noticing that after a few minutes of use, = usually=20 anywhere between 5 to 10 minutes, I am losing speech.  When this = happens,=20 the only way I have found to restore functionality is to reboot.  I = haven't=20 been able to come up with any reproducible factors other than that. it = has=20 happened to me while scrolling through the start menu, working in Balsa = or even=20 just when tabbing through the controls of the Gnopernicus main = window. =20
The problem has occurred  with = Festival as=20 well as with Dectalk.  The sound card I am currently using is a=20 SoundBlaster live with the standard drivers as shipped with Fedora, but = I also=20 experienced the problem while using  my mainboard's integrated via = chipset=20 ac97 with oss drivers.
 
I am working to enable Braille support = as well, and=20 once I do, it will be interesting to see if I am just losing = speech and=20 still have Braille output, or whether the program is crashing = altogether. =20
 
I am a relative newbie to Linux, so if = there is=20 more pertinent troubleshooting info that I might provide, please = let me=20 know what it is and how to obtain it and I would be happy to do = so.
 
Thanks in advance for any = thoughts.
 
--Al
 
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C3BA98.55422760-- From michael@ximian.com Fri Dec 5 09:30:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA37918325 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 09:30:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 13594 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 14:30:48 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO linux.local) (michael@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 14:30:48 -0000 Subject: Re: Gnopernicus stops after a few minutes. From: Michael Meeks To: Al Puzzuoli Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <001901c3bac2$3e954ea0$6900a8c0@waren401.mi.comcast.net> References: <001901c3bac2$3e954ea0$6900a8c0@waren401.mi.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Ximian. Message-Id: <1070663803.1690.85.camel@linux.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 22:36:43 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi Al, On Thu, 2003-12-04 at 23:56, Al Puzzuoli wrote: > I am experimenting with Gnopernicus 0.7.1 on a system running fedora, > and am noticing that after a few minutes of use, usually anywhere > between 5 to 10 minutes, I am losing speech. So - it's likely to be a crash somewhere; possibly the speech driver, or srcore. If you have control over how the session is run do: ulimit -c unlimited beforehand; then run gnome-session; and when it stops working you _may_ have a number of core.12356 type files lying around; try working out which app these come from: $ file core.12345 will tell you what file the dump came from and: $ gdb core.12345 backtrace should get us a useful trace for debugging it; I'd tend to only bother reporting bugs against HEAD however since lots of bugs are fixed there. Regards, Michael. -- michael@ximian.com <><, Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot From kd7cyu@yahoo.com Fri Dec 5 16:46:43 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.11.33]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6D46E189CC for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 16:46:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from dsl-10.telebyte.net (HELO tom) (kd7cyu@216.173.216.10 with login) by smtp1.mail.vip.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 21:46:42 -0000 Message-ID: <004b01c3bb79$53d598d0$0200000a@tom> From: "Tom Masterson" To: Subject: gnopernicus and brltty Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:47:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0048_01C3BB36.442CA330" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C3BB36.442CA330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi I seem too have things set up according to the instructions on the = gnopernicus and brltty pages and I can even tell that brltty is running = as a proccess undr the gnome/gnopernicus console however nothing comes = out on my alva when I am in xwindows/gnome. THe cursor just sits in the = upper left corner and nothing show on the display even though I can move = around with it. Does anyone have any ideas what might be the problem? Tom ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C3BB36.442CA330 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi
 
I seem too have things set up according = to the=20 instructions on the gnopernicus and brltty pages and I can even tell = that brltty=20 is running as a proccess undr the gnome/gnopernicus console however = nothing=20 comes out on my alva when I am in xwindows/gnome.  THe cursor just = sits in=20 the upper left corner and nothing show on the display even though I can = move=20 around with it.
 
Does anyone have any ideas what might = be the=20 problem?
 
Tom
------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C3BB36.442CA330-- From mlang@lexx.delysid.org Sat Dec 6 05:37:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from lexx.delysid.org (chello080109223065.lancity.graz.surfer.at [80.109.223.65]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABEC818278 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 05:37:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mlang by lexx.delysid.org with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1ASZoX-0005TH-00; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 11:37:29 +0100 To: "Tom Masterson" Cc: Subject: Re: gnopernicus and brltty From: Mario Lang In-Reply-To: <004b01c3bb79$53d598d0$0200000a@tom> (Tom Masterson's message of "Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:47:04 -0800") References: <004b01c3bb79$53d598d0$0200000a@tom> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 11:37:29 +0100 Message-ID: <873cbyb5au.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi. DId you check if the environment variable CONTROLVT is correctly set (on most systems, it would be set to 7). Another possibility is the key file, is it readable with the user that starts gnome? "Tom Masterson" writes: > I seem too have things set up according to the instructions on the gnopernicus and brltty pages and I can even tell that brltty is running as a proccess undr the gnome/gnopernicus console however nothing comes out on my alva when I am in xwindows/gnome. THe cursor just sits in the upper left corner and nothing show on the display even though I can move around with it. > > Does anyone have any ideas what might be the problem? > > Tom -- CYa, Mario | Debian Developer | Get my public key via finger mlang@db.debian.org | 1024D/7FC1A0854909BCCDBE6C102DDFFC022A6B113E44 From alpuzz@comcast.net Sat Dec 6 23:22:44 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 966541833B for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 23:22:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from tecra8100 (bgp01091460bgs.waren401.mi.comcast.net[68.43.185.118]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20031207042237016001jqu0e>; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 04:22:37 +0000 Message-ID: <001a01c3bc7a$19c3cc00$6900a8c0@waren401.mi.comcast.net> From: "Al Puzzuoli" To: Subject: Building Gnopernicus from cvs? Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 23:25:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01C3BC50.307FE700" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C3BC50.307FE700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I am attempting to build the cvs version of Gnopernicus in hopes that = it will resolve my crashing issue. I am apparently missing a step. I = am using a standard installation of Fedora core. When I attempt to run = ./autogen.sh I get the following: "You need to install the gnome-common modual and make sure the = gnome-autogen.sh script is in your path". Any info as to how to proceed would be great. Thanks, ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C3BC50.307FE700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
 
I am attempting to build  the cvs = version of=20 Gnopernicus in hopes that it will resolve my crashing issue.  I am=20 apparently missing a step.  I am using a standard installation of = Fedora=20 core.  When I attempt to run ./autogen.sh I get the = following:
 
"You need to install the gnome-common = modual and=20 make sure the gnome-autogen.sh script is in your path".
 
Any info as to how to proceed would be=20 great.
 
Thanks,
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C3BC50.307FE700-- From malcolm@commsecure.com.au Sun Dec 7 00:06:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from commsecure.com.au (CommSecureAustPtyLtd.sb1.optus.net.au [203.202.148.106]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CD3018198 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 00:06:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from sunhill.commsecure.com.au (sunhill.commsecure.com.au [172.16.15.1]) by commsecure.com.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hB756Y724486 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 16:06:34 +1100 Received: from [172.16.14.3] (dialin-03.commsecure.com.au [172.16.14.3]) by sunhill.commsecure.com.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hB756be19095 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 16:06:37 +1100 Subject: Re: Building Gnopernicus from cvs? From: Malcolm Tredinnick To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <001a01c3bc7a$19c3cc00$6900a8c0@waren401.mi.comcast.net> References: <001a01c3bc7a$19c3cc00$6900a8c0@waren401.mi.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1070773602.3186.14.camel@quirm.tredinnick.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 (1.4.5-7) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 16:06:43 +1100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sun, 2003-12-07 at 15:25, Al Puzzuoli wrote: > Hi all, > > I am attempting to build the cvs version of Gnopernicus in hopes that > it will resolve my crashing issue. I am apparently missing a step. I > am using a standard installation of Fedora core. When I attempt to > run ./autogen.sh I get the following: > > "You need to install the gnome-common modual and make sure the > gnome-autogen.sh script is in your path". > > Any info as to how to proceed would be great. At the risk of repeating the error message, you need to install the gnome-common module. You can either download it from GNOME CVS or get a tarball from http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/gnome-common/2.4/ This module contains a bunch of common m4 macros and some build scripts (like a standard autogen.sh) so that packages don't all have to ship duplicate copies and so that we can fix bugs in one location and have them filter out to all packages that use this module. Malcolm From kd7cyu@yahoo.com Sun Dec 7 12:21:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.11.34]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C2BC618BD9 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 12:21:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown (HELO tom) (kd7cyu@216.173.216.10 with login) by smtp003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2003 17:21:16 -0000 Message-ID: <001d01c3bce6$8b16e7e0$0200000a@tom> From: "Tom Masterson" To: "Mario Lang" Cc: References: <004b01c3bb79$53d598d0$0200000a@tom> <873cbyb5au.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> Subject: Re: gnopernicus and brltty Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 09:21:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi Well the key file is readable by anyone and setting the environment variable did not help. I do still get one error on boot up which reads "unable too find /var/run/brltty.pid". This may not be an exact quote but it is close enough. I have not considered this serious but... Any more ideas as too what might be the reason for it not working with gnopernicus. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mario Lang" To: "Tom Masterson" Cc: Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 02:37 Subject: Re: gnopernicus and brltty > Hi. > > DId you check if the environment variable CONTROLVT is correctly > set (on most systems, it would be set to 7). > > Another possibility is the key file, is it readable with the user that > starts gnome? > > "Tom Masterson" writes: > > > I seem too have things set up according to the instructions on the gnopernicus and brltty pages and I can even tell that brltty is running as a proccess undr the gnome/gnopernicus console however nothing comes out on my alva when I am in xwindows/gnome. THe cursor just sits in the upper left corner and nothing show on the display even though I can move around with it. > > > > Does anyone have any ideas what might be the problem? > > > > Tom > > -- > CYa, > Mario | Debian Developer > | Get my public key via finger mlang@db.debian.org > | 1024D/7FC1A0854909BCCDBE6C102DDFFC022A6B113E44 > From jschmude@adelphia.net Mon Dec 8 06:11:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from mta11.adelphia.net (mta11.adelphia.net [68.168.78.205]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2061C180FA for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 06:11:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from beavis ([24.49.58.24]) by mta11.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031208111202.DQUS13090.mta11.adelphia.net@beavis> for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 06:12:02 -0500 Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.1.20031207201604.01bbf920@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: jschmude@mail.adelphia.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 20:18:26 -0500 To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org From: Jacob Schmude Subject: accessible GDM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 12/5/2003), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi guys I'm trying to make GDM talk. I've gone back into the archives and have added the gtkmodules to gdm.conf. I then edited the accesskey config file and put my entry for gnopernicus in there. NOw, when I press the key (ctrl+n) gnopernicus starts, but I don't get any speech. I can tell its running by logging into a text console and looking at the processes, but it just doesn't say anything. Anyone gotten this to work successfully? What am I missing here? From Brian.Cameron@Sun.COM Mon Dec 8 09:17:58 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (nwkea-mail-1.sun.com [192.18.42.13]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E95218448 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 09:17:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from phys-ita01-1 ([129.153.224.1]) by nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hB8EHvUP012967 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 06:17:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from Sun.COM (sr-edub03-03.Ireland.Sun.COM [129.156.220.17]) by ita01-mail1.central.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HPK00BEQY1Q7A@ita01-mail1.central.sun.com> for gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 08:10:40 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 14:10:37 +0000 From: Brian Cameron Subject: Re: accessible GDM To: Jacob Schmude Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Reply-To: Brian.Cameron@Sun.COM Message-id: <3FD4865D.1070803@Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS sun4u; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020920 Netscape/7.0 References: <6.0.1.1.1.20031207201604.01bbf920@127.0.0.1> Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Jacob: > I'm trying to make GDM talk. I've gone back into the archives and have > added the gtkmodules to gdm.conf. I then edited the accesskey config > file and put my entry for gnopernicus in there. NOw, when I press the > key (ctrl+n) gnopernicus starts, but I don't get any speech. I can tell > its running by logging into a text console and looking at the processes, > but it just doesn't say anything. Anyone gotten this to work > successfully? What am I missing here? gdm and gnopernicus do not yet play well together. The problem you describe with text-to-speech not working is a known problem. The issues are documented in the following bug: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122459 I haven't yet had time to look into what is causing the problem. It could be something as simple as the gdm user not having proper permissions to /dev/audio. Brian From anders@noddle.net Mon Dec 8 18:56:15 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from duck.marlowes.com (duck.marlowes.com [195.67.103.24]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA73318433 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 18:56:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.16.2.13] (h58n2fls31o824.telia.com [212.181.205.58]) (authenticated bits=0) by duck.marlowes.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hB8NrVwQ006361 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 00:53:31 +0100 Subject: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters From: Anders Karlsson To: gnome-accessibility-list Content-Type: text/plain; charset= Message-Id: <1070927767.6941.13.camel@balder.home.noddle.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 (1.4.5-7) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 00:56:07 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi I have noticed that the Swedish characters åäö ÅÄÖ does not display the right way on my daughters braille display. For the moment she is using an BRAILLEX ELba, but it's the same problem as on her old Tieman CombiBraille. When using Swedish translation table all those characters above is dot 8 (i believe it's 8, the bottom right?). If i switch to German translation table i get some caracters but not the right one's. Does anybody have a hint how i correct this problem? Best regards /Anders -- Anders Karlsson From jasonjgw@pacific.net.au Mon Dec 8 21:25:09 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from snoopy.pacific.net.au (snoopy.pacific.net.au [61.8.0.36]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F4C618129 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 21:25:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mongrel.pacific.net.au (mongrel.pacific.net.au [61.8.0.107]) by snoopy.pacific.net.au (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id hB92P2no030628; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:25:02 +1100 Received: from jdc.local (dyn172.mel2.homedsl.pacific.net.au [203.100.245.172]) by mongrel.pacific.net.au (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id hB92Otxs020550; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:25:01 +1100 Received: from jdc.local (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jdc.local (8.12.10/8.12.10/Debian-5) with ESMTP id hB92OtX5000971; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:24:55 +1100 Received: (from jason@localhost) by jdc.local (8.12.10/8.12.10/Debian-5) id hB92Ot4O000964; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:24:55 +1100 From: Jason White MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <16341.12919.174790.662104@jdc.local> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:24:55 +1100 To: Anders Karlsson Cc: gnome-accessibility-list Subject: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters In-Reply-To: <1070927767.6941.13.camel@balder.home.noddle.net> References: <1070927767.6941.13.camel@balder.home.noddle.net> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under Emacs 21.3.1 Reply-To: jasonw@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Anders Karlsson writes: >=20 > I have noticed that the Swedish characters =C3=A5=C3=A4=C3=B6 =C3=1B= ,TC=C3=96=1B(B does not display the > right way on my daughters braille display.=20 The solution is to write a Swedish character table. First, find out what the correct braille representations are for all of the characters that occur in Swedish text (letters, accented letters, numerals, punctuation), then write a correct table which can be contributed to BrlTTY and Gnopernicus for inclusion in a subsequent release. You may find it easier to modify an existing table, but be sure that, in the end, all of the characters conform to Swedish computer braille standards, whatever those are. From mlang@lexx.delysid.org Tue Dec 9 05:21:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from lexx.delysid.org (chello080109223065.lancity.graz.surfer.at [80.109.223.65]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BA0A1870D for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 05:21:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mlang by lexx.delysid.org with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1ATez0-0003Er-00; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 11:20:46 +0100 To: jasonw@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au Cc: Anders Karlsson , gnome-accessibility-list Subject: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters From: Mario Lang In-Reply-To: <16341.12919.174790.662104@jdc.local> (Jason White's message of "Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:24:55 +1100") References: <1070927767.6941.13.camel@balder.home.noddle.net> <16341.12919.174790.662104@jdc.local> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 11:20:46 +0100 Message-ID: <874qwa47i9.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Jason White writes: > Anders Karlsson writes: > >=20 > > I have noticed that the Swedish characters =C3=83=C2=A5=C3=83=C2=A4=C3= =83=C2=B6 =C3=83=1B,TC=C3=83=C2=96=1B(B does not display the > > right way on my daughters braille display.=20 > > The solution is to write a Swedish character table. First, find out > what the correct braille representations are for all of the characters > that occur in Swedish text (letters, accented letters, numerals, > punctuation), then write a correct table which can be contributed to > BrlTTY and Gnopernicus for inclusion in a subsequent release. BRLTTY does already have two swedish text translation tables. --=20 CYa, Mario | Debian Developer | Get my public key via finger mlang@db.debian.org | 1024D/7FC1A0854909BCCDBE6C102DDFFC022A6B113E44 From anders@noddle.net Tue Dec 9 05:24:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from duck.marlowes.com (duck.marlowes.com [195.67.103.24]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 023D818424 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 05:24:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.16.2.13] (h58n2fls31o824.telia.com [212.181.205.58]) (authenticated bits=0) by duck.marlowes.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hB9ALxwQ026624; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 11:21:59 +0100 Subject: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters From: Anders Karlsson To: Mario Lang Cc: gnome-accessibility-list In-Reply-To: <874qwa47i9.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> References: <1070927767.6941.13.camel@balder.home.noddle.net> <16341.12919.174790.662104@jdc.local> <874qwa47i9.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset= Message-Id: <1070965481.1529.32.camel@balder.home.noddle.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 (1.4.5-7) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 11:24:42 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi. So, if thats the solution, where do i find editable verions of the gnopernicus tables? As far as i can understand they are in binary format in the gnopernicus source. I did forget to mention, that when running BRLTTY from text-mode the characters are displayed correctly, so i belive the problem is in gnopernicus. /Anders On Tue, 2003-12-09 at 11:20, Mario Lang wrote: > Jason White writes: > > > Anders Karlsson writes: > > > > > > I have noticed that the Swedish characters åäö Ã,TCÖ(B does not display the > > > right way on my daughters braille display. > > > > The solution is to write a Swedish character table. First, find out > > what the correct braille representations are for all of the characters > > that occur in Swedish text (letters, accented letters, numerals, > > punctuation), then write a correct table which can be contributed to > > BrlTTY and Gnopernicus for inclusion in a subsequent release. > > BRLTTY does already have two swedish text translation tables. From deedra@dmwaters.us Tue Dec 9 14:03:24 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.64]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FB9B18170 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:03:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from simba ([68.212.8.108]) by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031209190323.LNAX1876.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@simba> for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:03:23 -0500 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:02:47 -0600 (CST) From: Deedra Waters X-X-Sender: dmwaters@simba To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I posted some of theese questions before, but never got an answer, so will post again. I'm having trouble getting gnome to reat the text in things like mozilla. it tells me that there is a block of text, but it does not read the actual text. is there a way to make it read this text? Also, I just did a fresh install of gnome/gnopernicus etc, but I'm having trouble finding what I'd call the equivelent of the start menu. Is there some shortcut key for this? I seem to be basically confined to the desktop and gnopernicus windows, and can't get to any other programs. If someone could please give me some ideas on how to dealwith theese, I could greatly appreciate it. - -- Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/1hxdU5AGPOTGNc8RAnt/AKCpifi1PmetZ8OkYsVCv+7QDmlT5ACfXx5O iNbAoLIGAPNLAgQ1AT7j7NM= =NBsc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mlang@lexx.delysid.org Tue Dec 9 15:18:57 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from lexx.delysid.org (chello080109223065.lancity.graz.surfer.at [80.109.223.65]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7096D1814F for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 15:18:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mlang by lexx.delysid.org with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1AToJf-0005om-00; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 21:18:43 +0100 To: Deedra Waters Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome From: Mario Lang In-Reply-To: (Deedra Waters's message of "Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:02:47 -0600 (CST)") References: Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 21:18:43 +0100 Message-ID: <87iskp3fto.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Deedra Waters writes: > I'm having trouble getting gnome to reat the text in things like mozilla. it > tells me that there is a block of text, but it does not read the actual text. > is there a way to make it read this text? I'm afraid for now, you have to use flat review mode to access multiline text. Except where the field supports a cursor, then you can navigate using that. > Also, I just did a fresh install of gnome/gnopernicus etc, but I'm having > trouble finding what I'd call the equivelent of the start menu. Is there some > shortcut key for this? I seem to be basically confined to the desktop and > gnopernicus windows, and can't get to any other programs. Ctrl-F1 or Alt-F1, forgot which, and dont have a running X right now to test. Alt-F2 might also proove to be helpful, which can be used to launch apps by executable name. However, you should really read the GNOME Accessibility Guide, especially the keyboard navigation section. -- CYa, Mario | Debian Developer | Get my public key via finger mlang@db.debian.org | 1024D/7FC1A0854909BCCDBE6C102DDFFC022A6B113E44 From Bill.Haneman@Sun.COM Tue Dec 9 17:04:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5753818DE9 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 17:04:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from phys-eris-1 ([129.156.85.25]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hB9M4BPh020046 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 15:04:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from sun.com (dbl-isdn-101.Ireland.Sun.COM [129.156.227.101]) by eris-mail1.uk.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HPN003QIEMYM6@eris-mail1.uk.sun.com> for gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 22:04:11 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 22:04:13 +0000 From: Bill Haneman Subject: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters In-reply-to: <20031209170011.30613.30646.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Message-id: <3FD646DD.50705@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20031103 References: <20031209170011.30613.30646.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Anders wrote: >Hi > >I have noticed that the Swedish characters åäö ÅÄÖ does not display the >right way on my daughters braille display. > Anders/all: can you forward some web pointers to documentation about non-english (for instance, swedish) and _especially_ non-latin braille encoding? We and the BAUM team are currently discussing a general-purpose architecture for braille output that could handle the general case of unicode input. There are a number of issues that arise, but in order to design intelligently we need to gather information on the available braille encodings out there. It's already clear that there won't be a one-to-one mapping between POSIX locales and braille encodings, and there won't be one-to-one mappings for particular unicode 'code pages' either (there isn't even that for English ;-) regards Bill >For the moment she is using an BRAILLEX ELba, but it's the same problem >as on her old Tieman CombiBraille. >When using Swedish translation table all those characters above is dot 8 >(i believe it's 8, the bottom right?). If i switch to German translation >table i get some caracters but not the right one's. >Does anybody have a hint how i correct this problem? > >Best regards > >/Anders > > > From jasonw@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au Tue Dec 9 18:21:26 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.20.3]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ACEC18681 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 18:21:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hB9NLN22015283 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:21:23 +1100 (EST) Received: from localhost (jasonw@localhost) by ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (8.12.10/8.12.3) with ESMTP id hB9NLN5Q015279 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:21:23 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:21:23 +1100 (EST) From: Jason White To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters In-Reply-To: <3FD646DD.50705@sun.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Am I correct in assuming that the BrlTTY tables are mapped to ISO 8859-1? If so, what is Gnopernicus producing when it sends output to BrlTTY? I agree that a general architecture for braille character output is desirable. If Gnopernicus is sending Unicode (most likely UTF8) encoding, this could be the source of the mismatch with BrlTTY. From tward1978@earthlink.net Tue Dec 9 19:25:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net (cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.226]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC09418406 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 19:25:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdn-ap-030ilchicp0286.dialsprint.net ([65.178.179.32] helo=noneflzmskjmuf) by cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1ATsAV-0001wM-00; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 16:25:31 -0800 Message-ID: <006301c3beb4$261ad7f0$20b3b241@noneflzmskjmuf> From: "Tom and Esther Ward" To: "Deedra Waters" Cc: References: Subject: Re: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 19:25:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi. Under Gnome there is the main panel menu which is almost like the start menu under windows. There is two ways of opening this menu. To access this menu via the keyboard press alt+f1. You can also tab to the main panel menu button while the main panel has focus and press space bar on the button to activate it. To quickly launch applications via the run dialog use alt+f2. As for reading blocks of text that are dificult to read you must use flat review mode. Note, flat review is broken under gnopernicus 0.7 and 0.7.1. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deedra Waters" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 2:02 PM Subject: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I posted some of theese questions before, but never got an answer, so will post > again. > I'm having trouble getting gnome to reat the text in things like mozilla. it > tells me that there is a block of text, but it does not read the actual text. > is there a way to make it read this text? > > Also, I just did a fresh install of gnome/gnopernicus etc, but I'm having > trouble finding what I'd call the equivelent of the start menu. Is there some > shortcut key for this? I seem to be basically confined to the desktop and > gnopernicus windows, and can't get to any other programs. > > If someone could please give me some ideas on how to dealwith theese, I could > greatly appreciate it. > > > - -- > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE/1hxdU5AGPOTGNc8RAnt/AKCpifi1PmetZ8OkYsVCv+7QDmlT5ACfXx5O > iNbAoLIGAPNLAgQ1AT7j7NM= > =NBsc > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > From deedra@dmwaters.us Tue Dec 9 19:59:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.67]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBEDF18C75 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 19:59:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from simba ([68.212.8.108]) by imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031210005931.BKBO1942.imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net@simba>; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 19:59:31 -0500 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 18:58:54 -0600 (CST) From: Deedra Waters X-X-Sender: dmwaters@simba To: Tom and Esther Ward Cc: Deedra Waters , gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome In-Reply-To: <006301c3beb4$261ad7f0$20b3b241@noneflzmskjmuf> Message-ID: References: <006301c3beb4$261ad7f0$20b3b241@noneflzmskjmuf> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hmm, does cvs gnopernicus have a fix for the flat review thing? not being able to read blocks of text makes my life pretty dificult, especially when I want to look at webpages, (assuming I can get mozilla to behave in this install) Also, is there some setting I need to enable to make mozilla work better with accessibility? I seem to be having some slight trouble with it this time around. I'm also curious as to what email and office clients might be the most accessible with gnopernicus. Thanks! On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Tom and Esther Ward wrote: > Hi. > Under Gnome there is the main panel menu which is almost like the start menu > under windows. There is two ways of opening this menu. > To access this menu via the keyboard press alt+f1. You can also tab to the > main panel menu button while the main panel has focus and press space bar on > the button to activate it. > To quickly launch applications via the run dialog use alt+f2. > As for reading blocks of text that are dificult to read you must use flat > review mode. Note, flat review is broken under gnopernicus 0.7 and 0.7.1. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Deedra Waters" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 2:02 PM > Subject: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > I posted some of theese questions before, but never got an answer, so will > post > > again. > > I'm having trouble getting gnome to reat the text in things like mozilla. > it > > tells me that there is a block of text, but it does not read the actual > text. > > is there a way to make it read this text? > > > > Also, I just did a fresh install of gnome/gnopernicus etc, but I'm having > > trouble finding what I'd call the equivelent of the start menu. Is there > some > > shortcut key for this? I seem to be basically confined to the desktop and > > gnopernicus windows, and can't get to any other programs. > > > > If someone could please give me some ideas on how to dealwith theese, I > could > > greatly appreciate it. > > > > > > - -- > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQE/1hxdU5AGPOTGNc8RAnt/AKCpifi1PmetZ8OkYsVCv+7QDmlT5ACfXx5O > > iNbAoLIGAPNLAgQ1AT7j7NM= > > =NBsc > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > - -- Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/1m/VU5AGPOTGNc8RAp1GAKCJGZKhXV46BSeQ2DNYvv9TuSwsLQCgjc4d bUyJ2WOYu0V/kXzBv2QV3kM= =xL0U -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tward1978@earthlink.net Tue Dec 9 21:04:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFCB818E8C for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 21:04:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdn-ap-025ilchicp0185.dialsprint.net ([65.178.128.185] helo=noneflzmskjmuf) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1ATthn-00033s-00; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 18:04:00 -0800 Message-ID: <005c01c3bec1$e2ad7550$b980b241@noneflzmskjmuf> From: "Tom and Esther Ward" To: "Deedra Waters" Cc: References: <006301c3beb4$261ad7f0$20b3b241@noneflzmskjmuf> Subject: Re: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 21:04:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi. The only office packages that work with gnopernicus is Openoffice v1.1 and Staroffice 7.0. In order to get these office applications to work with speech you must have the j2sdk 1.4.2, the gnome java-access-bridge compiled and installed from cvs, and all the proper orbitrc entries in your .orbitrc file. Mozilla is still a trouble spot for me as well. I myself don't get much accessibility from it yet, and I have not completely found the most accessible setup for Mozilla myself. As for email that also has some problems. Balsa is accessible, but it seams several of us have troubles getting smtp working in balsa. If you can get passed the smtp problems balsa might be your best choice. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deedra Waters" To: "Tom and Esther Ward" Cc: "Deedra Waters" ; Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 7:58 PM Subject: Re: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hmm, does cvs gnopernicus have a fix for the flat review thing? not being able to read blocks of text makes my life pretty dificult, especially when I want to look at webpages, (assuming I can get mozilla to behave in this install) > > Also, is there some setting I need to enable to make mozilla work better with accessibility? I seem to be having some slight trouble with it this time around. > > I'm also curious as to what email and office clients might be the most accessible with gnopernicus. > > Thanks! > > On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Tom and Esther Ward wrote: > > > Hi. > > Under Gnome there is the main panel menu which is almost like the start menu > > under windows. There is two ways of opening this menu. > > To access this menu via the keyboard press alt+f1. You can also tab to the > > main panel menu button while the main panel has focus and press space bar on > > the button to activate it. > > To quickly launch applications via the run dialog use alt+f2. > > As for reading blocks of text that are dificult to read you must use flat > > review mode. Note, flat review is broken under gnopernicus 0.7 and 0.7.1. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Deedra Waters" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 2:02 PM > > Subject: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > I posted some of theese questions before, but never got an answer, so will > > post > > > again. > > > I'm having trouble getting gnome to reat the text in things like mozilla. > > it > > > tells me that there is a block of text, but it does not read the actual > > text. > > > is there a way to make it read this text? > > > > > > Also, I just did a fresh install of gnome/gnopernicus etc, but I'm having > > > trouble finding what I'd call the equivelent of the start menu. Is there > > some > > > shortcut key for this? I seem to be basically confined to the desktop and > > > gnopernicus windows, and can't get to any other programs. > > > > > > If someone could please give me some ideas on how to dealwith theese, I > > could > > > greatly appreciate it. > > > > > > > > > - -- > > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > iD8DBQE/1hxdU5AGPOTGNc8RAnt/AKCpifi1PmetZ8OkYsVCv+7QDmlT5ACfXx5O > > > iNbAoLIGAPNLAgQ1AT7j7NM= > > > =NBsc > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > > > > > > - -- > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE/1m/VU5AGPOTGNc8RAp1GAKCJGZKhXV46BSeQ2DNYvv9TuSwsLQCgjc4d > bUyJ2WOYu0V/kXzBv2QV3kM= > =xL0U > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From deedra@dmwaters.us Tue Dec 9 22:12:24 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.71]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E732181CF for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:12:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from simba ([68.212.8.108]) by imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031210031223.ZPRW29800.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@simba>; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:12:23 -0500 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 21:11:51 -0600 (CST) From: Deedra Waters X-X-Sender: dmwaters@simba To: Tom and Esther Ward Cc: Deedra Waters , gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome In-Reply-To: <005c01c3bec1$e2ad7550$b980b241@noneflzmskjmuf> Message-ID: References: <006301c3beb4$261ad7f0$20b3b241@noneflzmskjmuf> <005c01c3bec1$e2ad7550$b980b241@noneflzmskjmuf> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hrmm,I seem to be having some serious trouble with the website to get the j2sdk stuff. Is there an alternative site or something that I can get this package with out running in circles and not getting anywhere? It appears as if this site is using java script, which is making it so that those who use lynx can't exactly get it. For example, once I get through the license agreement, I can't figure out where to go from there at all. On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Tom and Esther Ward wrote: > Hi. > The only office packages that work with gnopernicus is Openoffice v1.1 and > Staroffice 7.0. > In order to get these office applications to work with speech you must have > the j2sdk 1.4.2, the gnome java-access-bridge compiled and installed from > cvs, and all the proper orbitrc entries in your .orbitrc file. > Mozilla is still a trouble spot for me as well. I myself don't get much > accessibility from it yet, and I have not completely found the most > accessible setup for Mozilla myself. > As for email that also has some problems. Balsa is accessible, but it seams > several of us have troubles getting smtp working in balsa. > If you can get passed the smtp problems balsa might be your best choice. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Deedra Waters" > To: "Tom and Esther Ward" > Cc: "Deedra Waters" ; > > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 7:58 PM > Subject: Re: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Hmm, does cvs gnopernicus have a fix for the flat review thing? not being > able to read blocks of text makes my life pretty dificult, especially when I > want to look at webpages, (assuming I can get mozilla to behave in this > install) > > > > Also, is there some setting I need to enable to make mozilla work better > with accessibility? I seem to be having some slight trouble with it this > time around. > > > > I'm also curious as to what email and office clients might be the most > accessible with gnopernicus. > > > > Thanks! > > > > On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Tom and Esther Ward wrote: > > > > > Hi. > > > Under Gnome there is the main panel menu which is almost like the start > menu > > > under windows. There is two ways of opening this menu. > > > To access this menu via the keyboard press alt+f1. You can also tab to > the > > > main panel menu button while the main panel has focus and press space > bar on > > > the button to activate it. > > > To quickly launch applications via the run dialog use alt+f2. > > > As for reading blocks of text that are dificult to read you must use > flat > > > review mode. Note, flat review is broken under gnopernicus 0.7 and > 0.7.1. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Deedra Waters" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 2:02 PM > > > Subject: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome > > > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > > I posted some of theese questions before, but never got an answer, so > will > > > post > > > > again. > > > > I'm having trouble getting gnome to reat the text in things like > mozilla. > > > it > > > > tells me that there is a block of text, but it does not read the > actual > > > text. > > > > is there a way to make it read this text? > > > > > > > > Also, I just did a fresh install of gnome/gnopernicus etc, but I'm > having > > > > trouble finding what I'd call the equivelent of the start menu. Is > there > > > some > > > > shortcut key for this? I seem to be basically confined to the desktop > and > > > > gnopernicus windows, and can't get to any other programs. > > > > > > > > If someone could please give me some ideas on how to dealwith theese, > I > > > could > > > > greatly appreciate it. > > > > > > > > > > > > - -- > > > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > > > iD8DBQE/1hxdU5AGPOTGNc8RAnt/AKCpifi1PmetZ8OkYsVCv+7QDmlT5ACfXx5O > > > > iNbAoLIGAPNLAgQ1AT7j7NM= > > > > =NBsc > > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - -- > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQE/1m/VU5AGPOTGNc8RAp1GAKCJGZKhXV46BSeQ2DNYvv9TuSwsLQCgjc4d > > bUyJ2WOYu0V/kXzBv2QV3kM= > > =xL0U > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > - -- Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/1o79U5AGPOTGNc8RAggzAKCM82bxas9HE3JwqeK1tGxR/fzHHgCfVZkT 0s2HMeitR2SYvEmOf7Wdheg= =YdTY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mike.pedersen@sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 9 22:22:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.84]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 94473181CF for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:22:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown (HELO mpedersenpc) (mike.pedersen@sbcglobal.net@64.167.99.224 with login) by smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 03:22:28 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Mike Pedersen" To: "'Deedra Waters'" , "'Tom and Esther Ward'" Cc: Subject: RE: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 19:22:49 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c3becc$e48f53b0$0500a8c0@mpedersenpc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: You might try www.blackdown.org. That used to be another source before = it was easy to get from Sun. =20 regards Mike Pedersen=20 -----Original Message----- From: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org [mailto:gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org] On Behalf Of Deedra = Waters Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 7:12 PM To: Tom and Esther Ward Cc: Deedra Waters; gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hrmm,I seem to be having some serious trouble with the website to get = the j2sdk stuff. Is there an alternative site or something that I can get = this package with out running in circles and not getting anywhere? It appears = as if this site is using java script, which is making it so that those who = use lynx can't exactly get it. For example, once I get through the license agreement, I can't figure out where to go from there at all. On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Tom and Esther Ward wrote: > Hi. > The only office packages that work with gnopernicus is Openoffice v1.1 = > and Staroffice 7.0. In order to get these office applications to work=20 > with speech you must have the j2sdk 1.4.2, the gnome=20 > java-access-bridge compiled and installed from cvs, and all the=20 > proper orbitrc entries in your .orbitrc file. Mozilla is still a=20 > trouble spot for me as well. I myself don't get much accessibility=20 > from it yet, and I have not completely found the most accessible=20 > setup for Mozilla myself. As for email that also has some problems.=20 > Balsa is accessible, but it seams several of us have troubles getting=20 > smtp working in balsa. If you can get passed the smtp problems balsa=20 > might be your best choice. >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Deedra Waters" > To: "Tom and Esther Ward" > Cc: "Deedra Waters" ;=20 > > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 7:58 PM > Subject: Re: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome >=20 >=20 > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Hmm, does cvs gnopernicus have a fix for the flat review thing? not=20 > > being > able to read blocks of text makes my life pretty dificult, especially=20 > when I want to look at webpages, (assuming I can get mozilla to=20 > behave in this > install) > > > > Also, is there some setting I need to enable to make mozilla work=20 > > better > with accessibility? I seem to be having some slight trouble with it=20 > this time around. > > > > I'm also curious as to what email and office clients might be the=20 > > most > accessible with gnopernicus. > > > > Thanks! > > > > On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Tom and Esther Ward wrote: > > > > > Hi. > > > Under Gnome there is the main panel menu which is almost like the=20 > > > start > menu > > > under windows. There is two ways of opening this menu. To access=20 > > > this menu via the keyboard press alt+f1. You can also tab to > the > > > main panel menu button while the main panel has focus and press=20 > > > space > bar on > > > the button to activate it. > > > To quickly launch applications via the run dialog use alt+f2. As=20 > > > for reading blocks of text that are dificult to read you must use > flat > > > review mode. Note, flat review is broken under gnopernicus 0.7 and > 0.7.1. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Deedra Waters" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 2:02 PM > > > Subject: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome > > > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > > I posted some of theese questions before, but never got an=20 > > > > answer, so > will > > > post > > > > again. > > > > I'm having trouble getting gnome to reat the text in things like > mozilla. > > > it > > > > tells me that there is a block of text, but it does not read the > actual > > > text. > > > > is there a way to make it read this text? > > > > > > > > Also, I just did a fresh install of gnome/gnopernicus etc, but=20 > > > > I'm > having > > > > trouble finding what I'd call the equivelent of the start menu.=20 > > > > Is > there > > > some > > > > shortcut key for this? I seem to be basically confined to the=20 > > > > desktop > and > > > > gnopernicus windows, and can't get to any other programs. > > > > > > > > If someone could please give me some ideas on how to dealwith=20 > > > > theese, > I > > > could > > > > greatly appreciate it. > > > > > > > > > > > > - -- > > > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net ,=20 > > > > http://www.freenode.net > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > > > iD8DBQE/1hxdU5AGPOTGNc8RAnt/AKCpifi1PmetZ8OkYsVCv+7QDmlT5ACfXx5O > > > > iNbAoLIGAPNLAgQ1AT7j7NM=3D > > > > =3DNBsc > > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----=20 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list=20 > > > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - -- > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net ,=20 > > http://www.freenode.net > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQE/1m/VU5AGPOTGNc8RAp1GAKCJGZKhXV46BSeQ2DNYvv9TuSwsLQCgjc4d > > bUyJ2WOYu0V/kXzBv2QV3kM=3D > > =3DxL0U > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >=20 >=20 - --=20 Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/1o79U5AGPOTGNc8RAggzAKCM82bxas9HE3JwqeK1tGxR/fzHHgCfVZkT 0s2HMeitR2SYvEmOf7Wdheg=3D =3DYdTY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- = _______________________________________________ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list From dave@mielke.cc Tue Dec 9 22:41:47 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from mielke.cc (unknown [24.157.218.227]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 225601870A for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:41:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.private.mielke.cc (alpha.private.mielke.cc [192.168.0.2]) by mielke.cc (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBA3fcr31689; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:41:39 -0500 Received: from alpha.private.mielke.cc (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpha.private.mielke.cc (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBA3fbP6016357; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:41:38 -0500 Received: (from dave@localhost) by alpha.private.mielke.cc (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBA3faJf016355; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:41:37 -0500 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:41:36 -0500 From: Dave Mielke To: Jason White Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters Message-ID: <20031210034136.GN20138@alpha.private.mielke.cc> References: <3FD646DD.50705@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: [quoted lines by Jason White on 2003/12/10 at 10:21 +1100] >Am I correct in assuming that the BrlTTY tables are mapped to ISO 8859-1? Almost. Some are based on other character sets. In general, the current practice is to base the table for any given language on the character set which is typically used by users of that language. The Polsih table, for example, is based on ISO-8859-2. This will all be changing shortly when BRLTTY becomes Unicode-based. At that time, all of its tables will become Unicode-based as well. >If so, what is Gnopernicus producing when it sends output to BrlTTY? Gnopernicus, at present, sends raw dot patterns to BRLTTY. I'm planning to pursue getting Gnopernicus to send text-based, rather than dot-based, data to BRLTTY soon. -- Dave Mielke | 2213 Fox Crescent | I believe that the Bible is the Phone: 1-613-726-0014 | Ottawa, Ontario | Word of God. Please contact me EMail: dave@mielke.cc | Canada K2A 1H7 | if you're concerned about Hell. http://familyradio.com/ | http://mielke.cc/bible/ From Peter.Korn@Sun.COM Wed Dec 10 01:15:15 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (nwkea-mail-1.sun.com [192.18.42.13]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E9E718216 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 01:15:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from phys-d3-ha21sca-1 ([129.145.155.163]) by nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBA6FDUP010697 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:15:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun.com (vpn-129-150-16-224.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.16.224]) by ha21sca-mail1.sfbay.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HPO007MC1DD53@ha21sca-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> for gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 22:15:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 22:15:12 -0800 From: Peter Korn Subject: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters To: Dave Mielke Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Message-id: <3FD6B9F0.1000406@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 References: <3FD646DD.50705@sun.com> <20031210034136.GN20138@alpha.private.mielke.cc> Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi David, >>If so, what is Gnopernicus producing when it sends output to BrlTTY? > > Gnopernicus, at present, sends raw dot patterns to BRLTTY. I'm planning to > pursue getting Gnopernicus to send text-based, rather than dot-based, data to > BRLTTY soon. Gnopernicus has a variety of non-text dot patterns used to indicate a variety of things. What thoughts do you have on how those could be preserved yet have Gnopernicus send text for the text portions? Also, as Bill noted, we do need to address the problem of Braille table localization for a very wide set of languages (which may be interspersed within a single document, ideally with appropriate language tagging). Do you have any thoughts on where the right place to address that is and how? Regards, Peter Korn Sun Accessibility team From jjig99@yahoo.es Wed Dec 10 04:29:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from mx.once.es (mx.once.es [194.224.11.131]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B36D18EDF for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 04:29:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from omail01.once.org (oncent.once.es [172.24.1.51]) by mx.once.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 603411BF27F; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:43:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from EBCONF (I25833 [10.41.30.10]) by omail01.once.org with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id YSMA4XB6; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:29:35 +0100 Subject: Re: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome From: Juan Ramon Jimenez Garcia Reply-To: jjig99@yahoo.es To: Tom and Esther Ward Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <005c01c3bec1$e2ad7550$b980b241@noneflzmskjmuf> References: <006301c3beb4$261ad7f0$20b3b241@noneflzmskjmuf> <005c01c3bec1$e2ad7550$b980b241@noneflzmskjmuf> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Message-Id: <1071048660.669.19.camel@I25833.once.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:31:00 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi all...... I am beginning to use gnopernicus and i am very interested in being able to accede to a office package like openoffice. I have downloaded j2sdk and I have installed it, but i don't know how to configure it correctly to use with gnopernicus.=20 Now, when i open a document with openoffice, it does not reproduce any sound and braille device doesn't write anything. When i close openoffice, gnopernicus continues ok. I'll be very gratefull if you could explain to me how to make accessible openoffice (or send me a link to read any docs....) Thank you very much in advance Juan Ramon =20 El mi=E9, 10-12-2003 a las 03:04, Tom and Esther Ward escribi=F3: > Hi. > The only office packages that work with gnopernicus is Openoffice v1.1 an= d > Staroffice 7.0. > In order to get these office applications to work with speech you must ha= ve > the j2sdk 1.4.2, the gnome java-access-bridge compiled and installed from > cvs, and all the proper orbitrc entries in your .orbitrc file. > Mozilla is still a trouble spot for me as well. I myself don't get much > accessibility from it yet, and I have not completely found the most > accessible setup for Mozilla myself. > As for email that also has some problems. Balsa is accessible, but it sea= ms > several of us have troubles getting smtp working in balsa. > If you can get passed the smtp problems balsa might be your best choice. >=20 From mlang@lexx.delysid.org Wed Dec 10 05:40:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from lexx.delysid.org (chello080109223065.lancity.graz.surfer.at [80.109.223.65]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED4AE18F15 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 05:40:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mlang by lexx.delysid.org with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1AU1l2-0004Ku-00; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:39:52 +0100 To: Peter Korn Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters From: Mario Lang In-Reply-To: <3FD6B9F0.1000406@sun.com> (Peter Korn's message of "Tue, 09 Dec 2003 22:15:12 -0800") References: <3FD646DD.50705@sun.com> <20031210034136.GN20138@alpha.private.mielke.cc> <3FD6B9F0.1000406@sun.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:39:52 +0100 Message-ID: <87smjtgdmv.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Peter Korn writes: > Hi David, > >>>If so, what is Gnopernicus producing when it sends output to BrlTTY? >> Gnopernicus, at present, sends raw dot patterns to BRLTTY. I'm >> planning to >> pursue getting Gnopernicus to send text-based, rather than dot-based, data to >> BRLTTY soon. > > Gnopernicus has a variety of non-text dot patterns used to indicate a > variety of things. What thoughts do you have on how those could be > preserved yet have Gnopernicus send text for the text portions? We are planning to add the ability to and off and to or on dots via BrlAPI. -- CYa, Mario | Debian Developer | Get my public key via finger mlang@db.debian.org | 1024D/7FC1A0854909BCCDBE6C102DDFFC022A6B113E44 From Bill.Haneman@Sun.COM Wed Dec 10 07:10:12 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (nwkea-mail-1.sun.com [192.18.42.13]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A87D18F71 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 07:10:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from phys-eris-1 ([129.156.85.25]) by nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBACA9UR014811 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 04:10:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun.com (dbl-isdn-103.Ireland.Sun.COM [129.156.227.103]) by eris-mail1.uk.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HPO00KDKHSXZI@eris-mail1.uk.sun.com> for gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:10:09 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:10:12 +0000 From: Bill Haneman Subject: Re: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters In-reply-to: <20031210032302.13288.65335.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Message-id: <3FD70D24.4010406@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20031103 References: <20031210032302.13288.65335.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Jason said: >If Gnopernicus is sending Unicode (most likely UTF8) encoding, this could >be the source of the mismatch with BrlTTY. > GNOME uses UTF-8 throughout. I do not know what gnopernicus is doing with the UTF-8 input before converting to braille dots or characters; it may be that gnopernicus is doing all the dot conversions itself (in which case the issue would be gnopernicus' internal braille tables lacking Swedish support - thus the need for a general architecture). It's also possible that, as you suggest, gnopernicus is failing to convert the UTF-8 into ISO-8859-1 on the output stage. BAUM team, do you have details for us? - Bill From Bill.Haneman@Sun.COM Wed Dec 10 07:14:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (nwkea-mail-1.sun.com [192.18.42.13]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23EB918419 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 07:14:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from phys-eris-1 ([129.156.85.25]) by nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBACELUR016664 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 04:14:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun.com (dbl-isdn-103.Ireland.Sun.COM [129.156.227.103]) by eris-mail1.uk.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HPO00K96HZXZI@eris-mail1.uk.sun.com> for gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:14:21 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:14:25 +0000 From: Bill Haneman Subject: Re: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome In-reply-to: <20031210032302.13288.65335.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Message-id: <3FD70E21.3070403@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20031103 References: <20031210032302.13288.65335.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Deedra said: >Hmm, does cvs gnopernicus have a fix for the flat review thing? not being able to read blocks of text makes my life pretty dificult, especially when I want to look at webpages, (assuming I can get mozilla to behave in this install) > I don't understand quite what you are saying here; the flat review mode of gnopernicus is the "fix", i.e. it allows reading of text that can't be navigated via a cursor. However, Mozilla does support a 'caret' or cursor, if you press F7 (which toggles the feature on and off). I personally don't know how well gnopernicus and the Mozilla-caret browsing get along, but it is certainly worth trying. Documentation for flat-review in gnopernicus can be found at the gnopernicus web site, http://www.baum.ro/gnopernicus.html best regards Bill From Bill.Haneman@Sun.COM Wed Dec 10 07:19:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (nwkea-mail-1.sun.com [192.18.42.13]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24158181E6 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 07:19:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from phys-eris-1 ([129.156.85.25]) by nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBACJRUP018691 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 04:19:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun.com (dbl-isdn-103.Ireland.Sun.COM [129.156.227.103]) by eris-mail1.uk.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HPO00KB5I8EZI@eris-mail1.uk.sun.com> for gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:19:27 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:19:30 +0000 From: Bill Haneman Subject: Re: j2sdk [was some questions about...] In-reply-to: <20031210032302.13288.65335.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Message-id: <3FD70F52.5000102@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20031103 References: <20031210032302.13288.65335.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Someone suggested blackdown.org. I would be cautious about trying them, since the java-access-bridge for GNOME has never been tested with their Java SDK as far as I know. Note that the java-access-bridge for GNOME requires version 1.4.0 or better. I think you'd be keeping the troubles to a minimum if you found a way to get the SDK from the Sun site, perhaps via another browser. - Bill From deedra@dmwaters.us Wed Dec 10 10:16:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.71]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ECCE182E7 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:16:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from simba ([68.212.8.108]) by imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031210151602.GUUN29800.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@simba>; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:16:02 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:15:17 -0600 (CST) From: Deedra Waters X-X-Sender: dmwaters@simba To: Bill Haneman Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome In-Reply-To: <3FD70E21.3070403@sun.com> Message-ID: References: <20031210032302.13288.65335.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> <3FD70E21.3070403@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 It was in response to the message I replied to which said something about flat review mode being broken in the current version of gnopernicus. On Wed, 10 Dec 2003, Bill Haneman wrote: > Deedra said: > > >Hmm, does cvs gnopernicus have a fix for the flat review thing? not being able to read blocks of text makes my life pretty dificult, especially when I want to look at webpages, (assuming I can get mozilla to behave in this install) > > > I don't understand quite what you are saying here; the flat review mode > of gnopernicus is the "fix", i.e. it allows reading of text that can't > be navigated via a cursor. However, Mozilla does support a 'caret' or > cursor, if you press F7 (which toggles the feature on and off). I > personally don't know how well gnopernicus and the Mozilla-caret > browsing get along, but it is certainly worth trying. > > Documentation for flat-review in gnopernicus can be found at the > gnopernicus web site, > http://www.baum.ro/gnopernicus.html > > best regards > > Bill > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > - -- Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/1ziMU5AGPOTGNc8RAq44AJ0SKrtxRypPDvNNYIjCaLzhFtfNzACfVXaz 8vXHGgM0qlPuIOsMlv2V5GM= =sLUe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dave@mielke.cc Wed Dec 10 10:52:20 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from mielke.cc (unknown [24.157.218.227]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0E4218171 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:52:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.private.mielke.cc (alpha.private.mielke.cc [192.168.0.2]) by mielke.cc (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBAFqDr02541; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:52:14 -0500 Received: from alpha.private.mielke.cc (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpha.private.mielke.cc (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBAFqCP6020017; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:52:12 -0500 Received: (from dave@localhost) by alpha.private.mielke.cc (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBAFqBxD020015; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:52:11 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:52:11 -0500 From: Dave Mielke To: Bill Haneman Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters Message-ID: <20031210155211.GO20138@alpha.private.mielke.cc> References: <20031210032302.13288.65335.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> <3FD70D24.4010406@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3FD70D24.4010406@sun.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: [quoted lines by Bill Haneman on 2003/12/10 at 12:10 +0000] >it may be that gnopernicus is doing all the dot conversions itself Yes, it is. >in which case the issue would be gnopernicus' internal braille tables lacking >Swedish support Gnopernicus does offer a Swedish translation table. It appears, however, that that table is incomplete. >It's also possible that, as you suggest, gnopernicus is failing to >convert the UTF-8 into ISO-8859-1 on the output stage. No, that's not the problem. At least at present, BRLTTY is receiving already-constructed braille dot patterns from Gnopernicus. -- Dave Mielke | 2213 Fox Crescent | I believe that the Bible is the Phone: 1-613-726-0014 | Ottawa, Ontario | Word of God. Please contact me EMail: dave@mielke.cc | Canada K2A 1H7 | if you're concerned about Hell. http://familyradio.com/ | http://mielke.cc/bible/ From anders@noddle.net Wed Dec 10 11:17:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from duck.marlowes.com (duck.marlowes.com [195.67.103.24]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1C4C18162 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:17:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.16.2.13] (h58n2fls31o824.telia.com [212.181.205.58]) (authenticated bits=0) by duck.marlowes.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBAGEawQ020310; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:14:36 +0100 Subject: Re: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters From: Anders Karlsson To: Dave Mielke Cc: Bill Haneman , gnome-accessibility-list In-Reply-To: <20031210155211.GO20138@alpha.private.mielke.cc> References: <20031210032302.13288.65335.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> <3FD70D24.4010406@sun.com> <20031210155211.GO20138@alpha.private.mielke.cc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Message-Id: <1071073053.21014.16.camel@balder.home.noddle.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 (1.4.5-7) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:17:33 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi. I don't know if You guys read UTF-8 mails så that You can read the characters, but since nobody has complained yet i suppose so. I've talking to my daughter, an she told me how the characters should be shown on the display. According to her the dots are numbered like this: 14 25 36 78 Then the characters should be like this: å 1+6 Å 1+6+7 ä 3+4+5 Ä 3+4+5+7 ö 2+4+6 Ö 2+4+6+7 Hope this can help when correcting the Swedish table. /Anders -- Anders Karlsson From dave@mielke.cc Thu Dec 11 01:09:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from mielke.cc (unknown [24.157.218.227]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C68D18264 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 01:09:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.private.mielke.cc (alpha.private.mielke.cc [192.168.0.2]) by mielke.cc (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBB69kr06178; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 01:09:47 -0500 Received: from alpha.private.mielke.cc (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpha.private.mielke.cc (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBB69jP6023899; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 01:09:45 -0500 Received: (from dave@localhost) by alpha.private.mielke.cc (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBB69i7D023897; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 01:09:44 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 01:09:44 -0500 From: Dave Mielke To: Peter Korn Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters Message-ID: <20031211060944.GQ20138@alpha.private.mielke.cc> References: <3FD646DD.50705@sun.com> <20031210034136.GN20138@alpha.private.mielke.cc> <3FD6B9F0.1000406@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3FD6B9F0.1000406@sun.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: [quoted lines by Peter Korn on 2003/12/09 at 22:15 -0800] >Gnopernicus has a variety of non-text dot patterns used to indicate a >variety of things. What thoughts do you have on how those could be >preserved yet have Gnopernicus send text for the text portions? We're in the process of enhancing BrlAPI in order to handle a mixtyure of text, highlighted text, and graphics. What we're doing is adding a routine which takes the text to be displayed, an optional mask to be anded for dots which are to be cleared, and an optional mask to be ored for dots which are to be set. This should give maximum flexibility to applications as it handles simple text at one extreme, full "graphics" at the other, and concepts like underlining in the middle. >Also, as >Bill noted, we do need to address the problem of Braille table localization >for a very wide set of languages (which may be interspersed within a single >document, ideally with appropriate language tagging). Do you have any >thoughts on where the right place to address that is and how? This requirement is probably best handled by Gnopernicus doing the dot translation. Am I correct in assuming that each localized area of text is associated with some given font? If so, I think a reasonable way to approach this problem is to maintain a table which associates a font name with a braille table. Since many fonts would probably point to the same braille table, you may wish to consider adding a level of indirection, e.g. a font group, so that, say, all English fonts could be switched from one braille table to another via a single operation. One of the dilemmas you may have is that you, quite understandably, only want to publish accurate tables whereas average users, especially those willing to help you out during development, would be satisfied with far less. The ideal for such users, which BRLTTY does provide, is to make the tables easily editable by the user. If you can point me to wherever your translation table format is described, I'll add to our tools a way to convert a BRLTTY table to a Gnopernicus table and vice versa. -- Dave Mielke | 2213 Fox Crescent | I believe that the Bible is the Phone: 1-613-726-0014 | Ottawa, Ontario | Word of God. Please contact me EMail: dave@mielke.cc | Canada K2A 1H7 | if you're concerned about Hell. http://familyradio.com/ | http://mielke.cc/bible/ From mjg59@codon.org.uk Thu Dec 11 08:59:55 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from cavan.codon.org.uk (cavan.codon.org.uk [213.162.118.85]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D7C418942 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 08:59:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mjg59 by cavan.codon.org.uk with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1AURM3-0002GA-00; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:59:47 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:59:47 +0000 From: Matthew Garrett To: Peter Korn Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Dasher 3.2.0 released Message-ID: <20031211135947.GA8615@srcf.ucam.org> References: <20031118014423.GA28674@srcf.ucam.org> <3FBAAAD4.24DC80E8@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3FBAAAD4.24DC80E8@sun.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 03:27:16PM -0800, Peter Korn wrote: > 1. There seem to be multiple sets of empty boxes I need to navigate > through to get to the menus in gedit - perhaps some of the code > in GOK could be helpful here? That's now sorted. > 3. The control box/alphabet is practically buried within the rest of > the alphabet. At least for two dimensional Dasher use, would you > consider putting that on the top or bottom (vertical vs. horizontal), > for rapid access? It also suggests a kind of "escape" to do something > completely different from entering text to put it in a different > place in the Dasher display. It's a nice idea, but it's not currently desperately practical - as the user zooms into boxes, the older boxes continue to exist. It's a valid input to enter, say, an "a" and then realise that you wanted the "e" below it - the direct route would then be through the bottom of the "a". > 2. Once I opened the Open File dialog, Dasher didn't give me access > to the UI elements - again perhaps GOK code could be used for > this? > > 4. The Menus alphabet always showed me first a set of running > applications to choose between before I could get to the menus > of the app I was interacting with. Since most of the time I'm > going to want to interact with the menus of the application I'm > also entering text into, please consider having menus be for the > topmost application's menus, and put at the top level of Control > an option to switch to a different application (again, rather > like GOK). Both of these are marginally awkward - if a new window appears, or if the user focus changes (or, indeed, even if we just change the order of the menus) then we have to invalidate the current tree and build a new one. In itself that's not too difficult, but it may lead to some confusion on the part of the user if Dasher resets itself every time a window pops up. It's arguably the correct way of doing it, though. I'll look into it. -- Matthew Garrett | mjg59@srcf.ucam.org From Peter.Korn@Sun.COM Thu Dec 11 12:28:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (nwkea-mail-1.sun.com [192.18.42.13]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8893418130 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:28:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from phys-d3-ha21sca-1 ([129.145.155.163]) by nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBBHSmUP013780 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:28:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun.com (vpn-129-150-20-143.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.20.143]) by ha21sca-mail1.sfbay.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HPQ000GPR7Z1F@ha21sca-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> for gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:28:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:28:46 -0800 From: Peter Korn Subject: Re: Dasher 3.2.0 released To: Matthew Garrett Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Message-id: <3FD8A94E.8080103@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 References: <20031118014423.GA28674@srcf.ucam.org> <3FBAAAD4.24DC80E8@sun.com> <20031211135947.GA8615@srcf.ucam.org> Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi Matthew, >> 3. The control box/alphabet is practically buried within the rest of >> the alphabet. At least for two dimensional Dasher use, would you >> consider putting that on the top or bottom (vertical vs. horizontal), >> for rapid access? It also suggests a kind of "escape" to do something >> completely different from entering text to put it in a different >> place in the Dasher display. > > It's a nice idea, but it's not currently desperately practical - as the > user zooms into boxes, the older boxes continue to exist. It's a valid > input to enter, say, an "a" and then realise that you wanted the "e" > below it - the direct route would then be through the bottom of the "a". Hmmm... In that case, what about regions in the canonical left half of the window. Normally crossing the middle boundary stops text entry, which is generally what you want to do when switching to control mode. If there were a target or two on the non-alphabet side of Dasher which switched modes, that would likewise allow potentially more rapid switching to the control box. Just a thought to experiment with. Regards, Peter Korn Sun Accessibility team From mjg59@codon.org.uk Thu Dec 11 12:37:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from cavan.codon.org.uk (cavan.codon.org.uk [213.162.118.85]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D709C18130 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:37:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mjg59 by cavan.codon.org.uk with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1AUUkX-0002yS-00; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:37:17 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:37:17 +0000 From: Matthew Garrett To: Peter Korn Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Dasher 3.2.0 released Message-ID: <20031211173717.GA11389@srcf.ucam.org> References: <20031118014423.GA28674@srcf.ucam.org> <3FBAAAD4.24DC80E8@sun.com> <20031211135947.GA8615@srcf.ucam.org> <3FD8A94E.8080103@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3FD8A94E.8080103@sun.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 09:28:46AM -0800, Peter Korn wrote: > Hmmm... In that case, what about regions in the canonical left half of the > window. Normally crossing the middle boundary stops text entry, which is > generally what you want to do when switching to control mode. If there > were a target or two on the non-alphabet side of Dasher which switched > modes, that would likewise allow potentially more rapid switching to the > control box. Sadly not :) Crossing the middle boundary reverses Dasher, which allows for error correction - at the moment it only reverses a finite number of nodes, but when I get round to fixing it up then it ought to be possible to reverse back to the initial state. -- Matthew Garrett | mjg59@srcf.ucam.org From Bill.Haneman@Sun.COM Thu Dec 11 13:11:47 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (nwkea-mail-1.sun.com [192.18.42.13]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D13D19254 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:11:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from phys-eris-1 ([129.156.85.25]) by nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBBIBkUP013809 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:11:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun.com (dbl-isdn-110.Ireland.Sun.COM [129.156.227.110]) by eris-mail1.uk.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HPQ003G1T7L0X@eris-mail1.uk.sun.com> for gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:11:45 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:11:48 +0000 From: Bill Haneman Subject: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters In-reply-to: <20031211170025.4795.83774.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Message-id: <3FD8B364.8060205@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20031103 References: <20031211170025.4795.83774.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Dave Mielke asked: > Am I correct in assuming that each localized area of text is >associated with some given font? If so, I think a reasonable way to approach >this problem is to maintain a table which associates a font name with a braille >table. > Unfortunately this isn't the case; there's a very poor mapping between fonts and locales/languages. Gnopernicus will need to get locale/language information from its source text; fortunately at-spi and GNOME provide that info in many cases. However locales and braille tables also map quite poorly onto one another. - Bill From dave@mielke.cc Thu Dec 11 15:01:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from mielke.cc (unknown [24.157.218.227]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 106B5182D9 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:01:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.private.mielke.cc (alpha.private.mielke.cc [192.168.0.2]) by mielke.cc (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBBK18r08424; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:01:09 -0500 Received: from alpha.private.mielke.cc (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpha.private.mielke.cc (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBBK15P6028053; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:01:05 -0500 Received: (from dave@localhost) by alpha.private.mielke.cc (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBBK14Ek028051; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:01:04 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:01:04 -0500 From: Dave Mielke To: Bill Haneman Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters Message-ID: <20031211200104.GS20138@alpha.private.mielke.cc> References: <20031211170025.4795.83774.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> <3FD8B364.8060205@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3FD8B364.8060205@sun.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: [quoted lines by Bill Haneman on 2003/12/11 at 18:11 +0000] >However locales and braille tables also map quite poorly onto one another. Our experience is that there's no real mapping between the two at all. The reason is that the conventions used for any given language's literary braille tend to be unusable for computer braille since certain characters require more than one braille cell and/or certain characters can only be represented in certain contexts. There may be a widely accepted standard for the representation of characters 0X20-0X7E in English braille (and that doesn't even accommodate the extended ASCII characters), but the same isn't true for most languages. Tjere are cases wjere two users of the same language who live in the very same city perfer different dot mapping schemes for non-alphabetic characters. This is why we've went the route of making it easy for a user to define his own tables while, at the same time, providing a set of tables which are generally accepted. In the absence of standards, that's about the best one can do. Hopefully, as time progresses, more standards will be developed as the preferences of the users of a given language merge. -- Dave Mielke | 2213 Fox Crescent | I believe that the Bible is the Phone: 1-613-726-0014 | Ottawa, Ontario | Word of God. Please contact me EMail: dave@mielke.cc | Canada K2A 1H7 | if you're concerned about Hell. http://familyradio.com/ | http://mielke.cc/bible/ From kd7cyu@yahoo.com Thu Dec 11 16:29:56 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.11.34]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7D5E418267 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:29:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown (HELO tom) (kd7cyu@216.173.216.10 with login) by smtp003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 21:29:54 -0000 Message-ID: <01dd01c3c02d$ff1edd60$0200000a@tom> From: "Tom Masterson" To: Subject: java access bridge Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:30:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01DA_01C3BFEA.EFC58E60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01DA_01C3BFEA.EFC58E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now that I have gnome and gnopernicus working (does much better when you = tell it the right port) can someone tell me where to find teh java = access bridge for gnome? 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------=_NextPart_000_01DA_01C3BFEA.EFC58E60-- From malcolm@commsecure.com.au Thu Dec 11 16:38:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from commsecure.com.au (CommSecureAustPtyLtd.sb1.optus.net.au [203.202.148.106]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8AC918A48 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:38:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from sunhill.commsecure.com.au (sunhill.commsecure.com.au [172.16.15.1]) by commsecure.com.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBBLch717424; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:38:43 +1100 Received: from ws14.commsecure.com.au (ws14.commsecure.com.au [172.16.15.14]) by sunhill.commsecure.com.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBBLcme10937; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:38:48 +1100 Received: from ws14.commsecure.com.au (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ws14.commsecure.com.au (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBBLclEh006064; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:38:47 +1100 Received: (from malcolm@localhost) by ws14.commsecure.com.au (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id hBBLclUN006062; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:38:47 +1100 X-Authentication-Warning: ws14.commsecure.com.au: malcolm set sender to malcolm@commsecure.com.au using -f Subject: Re: java access bridge From: Malcolm Tredinnick To: Tom Masterson Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <01dd01c3c02d$ff1edd60$0200000a@tom> References: <01dd01c3c02d$ff1edd60$0200000a@tom> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1071178726.5795.12.camel@ws14.commsecure.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 (1.4.5-7) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:38:47 +1100 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi Tom, On Fri, 2003-12-12 at 08:30, Tom Masterson wrote: > Now that I have gnome and gnopernicus working (does much better when > you tell it the right port) can someone tell me where to find teh java > access bridge for gnome? It has been posted before but I lost some > emails. You can either get it from the GNOME CVS repository, or download a tarball from http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/java-access-bridge/1.3/ Cheers, Malcolm From deedra@dmwaters.us Mon Dec 15 19:43:12 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.64]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C952418CBE for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:43:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from simba ([68.212.8.108]) by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031216004306.CEWN21685.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@simba> for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:43:06 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:42:15 -0600 (CST) From: Deedra Waters X-X-Sender: dmwaters@simba To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: problems with gnome java access bridge Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I don't really know if anyone is going to have answers for this or not. I was installing the 1.2.1 version of the gnome java access bridge, and it asked meto upgrade at-spi, so I did that. the version I upgraded to with that is 1.3.9. Well, I started gnome with no problems gnopernicus was talking, then all the sudeen it got real quiet, and the load on my machine went through the roof, till I ended up with: 18:16:21 up 21:08, 8 users, load average: 49.24, 42.37, 24.75 It was using all of my ram (128mb) and 210mb of swap space. The thing I'm wondering is, what could possibley be causing such a mess, yeah, I know I don't have a lot of memory, but that can't be the only problem here. What could flatten my machine in a few minutes like that that's inside gnome, or any of theese two latest apps I've installed? If someone could please give me some answers to this, I would appreciate it. Thanks. - -- Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, http://www.gentoo.org Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/3lTuU5AGPOTGNc8RAi3jAJ4qQ5M5c2MA8+VMITebrHQ/ioTdsQCfbC/Y H0zc0A/P5VBi0cfwlO8gtnU= =1Wt9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Padraig.Obriain@Sun.COM Tue Dec 16 03:27:10 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from nwkea-mail-2.sun.com (nwkea-mail-2.sun.com [192.18.42.14]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C15E81820B for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 03:27:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from phys-eris-1 ([129.156.85.25]) by nwkea-mail-2.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBG8R80J009853 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:27:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun.com (anymachine.Ireland.Sun.COM [129.156.238.95]) by eris-mail1.uk.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HPZ00I9OBH7N9@eris-mail1.uk.sun.com> for gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:27:07 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:23:55 +0000 From: "padraig o'briain" Subject: Re: problems with gnome java access bridge To: Deedra Waters Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Message-id: <3FDEC11B.EE50B0B5@sun.com> Organization: Sun Microsystems MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79C-CCK-MCD [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.9 sun4u) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: You do not state what Java application you were running or what applications are using up your CPU. Padraig Deedra Waters wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I don't really know if anyone is going to have answers for this or not. > > I was installing the 1.2.1 version of the gnome java access bridge, and it asked meto upgrade at-spi, so I did that. the version I upgraded to with that is 1.3.9. > > Well, I started gnome with no problems gnopernicus was talking, then all the sudeen it got real quiet, and the load on my machine went through the roof, till I ended up with: 18:16:21 up 21:08, 8 users, load average: 49.24, 42.37, 24.75 > > It was using all of my ram (128mb) and 210mb of swap space. > > The thing I'm wondering is, what could possibley be causing such a mess, yeah, I know I don't have a lot of memory, but that can't be the only problem here. What could flatten my machine in a few minutes like that that's inside gnome, or any of theese two latest apps I've installed? > > If someone could please give me some answers to this, I would appreciate it. Thanks. > > - -- > Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, > http://www.gentoo.org > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE/3lTuU5AGPOTGNc8RAi3jAJ4qQ5M5c2MA8+VMITebrHQ/ioTdsQCfbC/Y > H0zc0A/P5VBi0cfwlO8gtnU= > =1Wt9 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list From christophe.delaunay@thomson.net Tue Dec 16 05:58:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@mail.gnome.org Received: from ns2.thmulti.com (ns2.thmulti.com [141.11.234.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1BD2188BD for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 05:58:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprelay2.thmulti.com (smtprelay2.thmulti.com [141.11.195.242]) by ns2.thmulti.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA20966 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:58:51 +0100 (MET) Received: from parexch3.paris.thmulti.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtprelay2.thmulti.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA23089 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:58:47 +0100 (MET) Received: by parexch3 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:59:13 +0100 Message-ID: <05B4910E0216D411B14F00508B6A67A9055134A4@renexch5.rennes.thmulti.com> From: Delaunay Christophe To: "Gnome Accessibility List (E-mail)" Subject: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 does not want to init my brl display Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:58:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hello listers, >From the console, when I type startx, gnopernicus starts talking but does not want to initialize my braille display. I know that this question seems like a faq but before asking for your help, I made sure twice I really did all what I read in the documentation. So, here is my configuration : - linux mandrake 9.2 on a Compaq DeskPro with 512 mb of ram and PIII processor running at 750 mHz; - brltty rev. 3.3.1 compiled with --enable-api and driving a braillex ELba, (Papenmeier braille display with 32 cells); - gnopernicus 0.7.0 with all gnome accessibility features installed, comprising the java access bridge. - The used TTS is festival 1.4.3 but due to problem with my soundboard, it really speaks too fast, (like a tape going twice its speed). When I launch "startx", gnopernicus is really launched and begins to speak but here is what I receive on stderr. ------------------- ********************** * SCREEN READER CORE * ********************** GTK Accessibility Module initialized brl_open_device: open device failed ** BRAILLE initialization failed for BRLTTY on port 1 To change one or more settings use gnopernicus UI (srcore:5924): gnopernicus-WARNING **: Callbacks are NOT supported by "V0 Kevin - Festival GNOME Speech Driver" voice. gnopernicus-Message: speech initialization succeded ----------------- First, I checked for the presence of /etc/brlapi.key. It's really here and I can read it. Then, I used the "gconftool-2" command as stated in brltty's "README.gnopernicus" file in order to let gnopernicus use the brltty API. Then, I wrote a .xinitrc file in my home directory as follows : -------------------- #!/bin/sh # Define environment variables. GARNOME=/usr # garnome is not installed on this computer PYTHONPATH=/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages GDK_USE_XFT=1 GTK_MODULES=gail:atk-bridge export PYTHONPATH GDK_USE_XFT GTK_MODULES # Configure Gnome. gconftool-2 --type bool --set /apps/desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility true # Tell Gnopernicus which virtual terminal is being used by the X display. # This is a bit complicated so cut-and-paste (rather than retype) it. CONTROLVT="$(grep "using VT number" "/var/log/XFree86.$(echo "$DISPLAY" | sed -e "s/^.*::*\([0-9]*\).*$/\1/").log" | sed -e "s/^.*using VT number \([0-9]*\).*$/\1/")" # I added next lines to print the value of CONTROLVT echo -n "=*=*=* The CONTROLVT variable was set to " echo -n $CONTROLVT echo " =*=*=*" export CONTROLVT # Start the Gnome session. exec $GARNOME/bin/gnome-session ------------------ When the X session start, I can notice that the CONTROLVT variable is set to 7. So, what may be causing this braille initialization problem? Is there a way in which gnopernicus could be more precise at init time when an error occurs? Many thanks in advance. Have a nice day. Chris From mlang@lexx.delysid.org Tue Dec 16 07:54:51 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@mail.gnome.org Received: from lexx.delysid.org (chello080109223065.lancity.graz.surfer.at [80.109.223.65]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDC7E1892E for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:54:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mlang by lexx.delysid.org with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1AWEii-0002h0-00; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:54:36 +0100 To: Delaunay Christophe Cc: "Gnome Accessibility List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 does not want to init my brl display From: Mario Lang In-Reply-To: <05B4910E0216D411B14F00508B6A67A9055134A4@renexch5.rennes.thmulti.com> (Delaunay Christophe's message of "Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:58:44 +0100") References: <05B4910E0216D411B14F00508B6A67A9055134A4@renexch5.rennes.thmulti.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:54:36 +0100 Message-ID: <87he00hqib.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 has a bug which results in BRLTTY support not being included. If you compiled from source, get 0.7.1, if you got gnopernicus through a Mandrake package, bug the maintainers that they need to upgrade to 0.7.1. Delaunay Christophe writes: > Hello listers, > >>From the console, when I type startx, gnopernicus starts talking but does > not want to initialize my braille display. > > I know that this question seems like a faq but before asking for your help, > I made sure twice I really did all what I read in the documentation. > > So, here is my configuration : > > - linux mandrake 9.2 on a Compaq DeskPro with 512 mb of ram and PIII > processor running at 750 mHz; > - brltty rev. 3.3.1 compiled with --enable-api and driving a > braillex ELba, (Papenmeier braille display with 32 cells); > - gnopernicus 0.7.0 with all gnome accessibility features installed, > comprising the java access bridge. > - The used TTS is festival 1.4.3 but due to problem with my > soundboard, it really speaks too fast, (like a tape going twice its speed). > > When I launch "startx", gnopernicus is really launched and begins to speak > but here is what I receive on stderr. > ------------------- > ********************** > * SCREEN READER CORE * > ********************** > > GTK Accessibility Module initialized > > brl_open_device: open device failed > ** BRAILLE initialization failed for BRLTTY on port 1 > To change one or more settings use gnopernicus UI > > (srcore:5924): gnopernicus-WARNING **: Callbacks are NOT supported by "V0 > Kevin - Festival GNOME Speech Driver" voice. > gnopernicus-Message: speech initialization succeded > ----------------- > > First, I checked for the presence of /etc/brlapi.key. It's really here and I > can read it. > > Then, I used the "gconftool-2" command as stated in brltty's > "README.gnopernicus" file in order to let gnopernicus use the brltty API. > > Then, I wrote a .xinitrc file in my home directory as follows : > -------------------- > #!/bin/sh > > # Define environment variables. > GARNOME=/usr # garnome is not installed on this computer > PYTHONPATH=/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages > GDK_USE_XFT=1 > GTK_MODULES=gail:atk-bridge > export PYTHONPATH GDK_USE_XFT GTK_MODULES > > # Configure Gnome. > gconftool-2 --type bool --set /apps/desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility > true > > # Tell Gnopernicus which virtual terminal is being used by the X display. > # This is a bit complicated so cut-and-paste (rather than retype) it. > CONTROLVT="$(grep "using VT number" "/var/log/XFree86.$(echo "$DISPLAY" | > sed -e "s/^.*::*\([0-9]*\).*$/\1/").log" | sed -e "s/^.*using VT number > \([0-9]*\).*$/\1/")" > # I added next lines to print the value of CONTROLVT > echo -n "=*=*=* The CONTROLVT variable was set to " > echo -n $CONTROLVT > echo " =*=*=*" > export CONTROLVT > > # Start the Gnome session. > exec $GARNOME/bin/gnome-session > ------------------ > > When the X session start, I can notice that the CONTROLVT variable is set to > 7. > > So, what may be causing this braille initialization problem? > > Is there a way in which gnopernicus could be more precise at init time when > an error occurs? > > Many thanks in advance. Have a nice day. Chris > _______________________________________________ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > -- CYa, Mario | Debian Developer | Get my public key via finger mlang@db.debian.org | 1024D/7FC1A0854909BCCDBE6C102DDFFC022A6B113E44 From deedra@dmwaters.us Tue Dec 16 10:01:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.64]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D49B182D8 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:01:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from simba ([68.212.8.108]) by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031216150110.FEKI29783.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@simba>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:01:10 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:00:18 -0600 (CST) From: Deedra Waters X-X-Sender: dmwaters@simba To: padraig o'briain Cc: Deedra Waters , gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: problems with gnome java access bridge In-Reply-To: <3FDEC11B.EE50B0B5@sun.com> Message-ID: References: <3FDEC11B.EE50B0B5@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 All I did was type startx. As to what was using up my cpu, top didn't show me anything out of the ordinary, top was at the top of the list. What I do know is that This did not happen till I upgraded at-spi, and installed the java access bridge. On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, padraig o'briain wrote: > You do not state what Java application you were running or what applications are using up your CPU. > > Padraig > > > Deedra Waters wrote: > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > I don't really know if anyone is going to have answers for this or not. > > > > I was installing the 1.2.1 version of the gnome java access bridge, and it asked meto upgrade at-spi, so I did that. the version I upgraded to with that is 1.3.9. > > > > Well, I started gnome with no problems gnopernicus was talking, then all the sudeen it got real quiet, and the load on my machine went through the roof, till I ended up with: 18:16:21 up 21:08, 8 users, load average: 49.24, 42.37, 24.75 > > > > It was using all of my ram (128mb) and 210mb of swap space. > > > > The thing I'm wondering is, what could possibley be causing such a mess, yeah, I know I don't have a lot of memory, but that can't be the only problem here. What could flatten my machine in a few minutes like that that's inside gnome, or any of theese two latest apps I've installed? > > > > If someone could please give me some answers to this, I would appreciate it. Thanks. > > > > - -- > > Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, > > http://www.gentoo.org > > > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQE/3lTuU5AGPOTGNc8RAi3jAJ4qQ5M5c2MA8+VMITebrHQ/ioTdsQCfbC/Y > > H0zc0A/P5VBi0cfwlO8gtnU= > > =1Wt9 > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > - -- Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, http://www.gentoo.org Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/3x4LU5AGPOTGNc8RAvPiAKCSBRR9aEeIF4sbcrMgpaV6TVCyuACgq/yW nVjnNo6Ww1xgThOGZcSUtKA= =pjAG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Padraig.Obriain@Sun.COM Tue Dec 16 10:08:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (nwkea-mail-1.sun.com [192.18.42.13]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F00B182D8 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:08:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from phys-eris-1 ([129.156.85.25]) by nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBGF7lrl015508 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:08:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun.com (anymachine.Ireland.Sun.COM [129.156.238.95]) by eris-mail1.uk.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HPZ00CQ6U1AJ0@eris-mail1.uk.sun.com> for gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:07:58 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:04:46 +0000 From: "padraig o'briain" Subject: Re: problems with gnome java access bridge To: Deedra Waters Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Message-id: <3FDF1F0E.8B8D3539@sun.com> Organization: Sun Microsystems MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79C-CCK-MCD [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.9 sun4u) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <3FDEC11B.EE50B0B5@sun.com> Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This does not sound like anything to do with the java access bridge. Is this a process running at-spi-registryd and can you get a stack trace from it? Padraig Deedra Waters wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > All I did was type startx. As to what was using up my cpu, top didn't show me anything out of the ordinary, top was at the top of the list. > > What I do know is that This did not happen till I upgraded at-spi, and installed the java access bridge. > > On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, padraig o'briain wrote: > > > You do not state what Java application you were running or what applications are using up your CPU. > > > > Padraig > > > > > > Deedra Waters wrote: > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > I don't really know if anyone is going to have answers for this or not. > > > > > > I was installing the 1.2.1 version of the gnome java access bridge, and it asked meto upgrade at-spi, so I did that. the version I upgraded to with that is 1.3.9. > > > > > > Well, I started gnome with no problems gnopernicus was talking, then all the sudeen it got real quiet, and the load on my machine went through the roof, till I ended up with: 18:16:21 up 21:08, 8 users, load average: 49.24, 42.37, 24.75 > > > > > > It was using all of my ram (128mb) and 210mb of swap space. > > > > > > The thing I'm wondering is, what could possibley be causing such a mess, yeah, I know I don't have a lot of memory, but that can't be the only problem here. What could flatten my machine in a few minutes like that that's inside gnome, or any of theese two latest apps I've installed? > > > > > > If someone could please give me some answers to this, I would appreciate it. Thanks. > > > > > > - -- > > > Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, > > > http://www.gentoo.org > > > > > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > iD8DBQE/3lTuU5AGPOTGNc8RAi3jAJ4qQ5M5c2MA8+VMITebrHQ/ioTdsQCfbC/Y > > > H0zc0A/P5VBi0cfwlO8gtnU= > > > =1Wt9 > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > - -- > Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, > http://www.gentoo.org > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE/3x4LU5AGPOTGNc8RAvPiAKCSBRR9aEeIF4sbcrMgpaV6TVCyuACgq/yW > nVjnNo6Ww1xgThOGZcSUtKA= > =pjAG > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From deedra@dmwaters.us Tue Dec 16 10:28:09 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10728185DF for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:28:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from simba ([68.212.8.108]) by imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031216152808.EBYA17885.imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net@simba>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:28:08 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:27:17 -0600 (CST) From: Deedra Waters X-X-Sender: dmwaters@simba To: padraig o'briain Cc: Deedra Waters , gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: problems with gnome java access bridge In-Reply-To: <3FDF1F0E.8B8D3539@sun.com> Message-ID: References: <3FDEC11B.EE50B0B5@sun.com> <3FDF1F0E.8B8D3539@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 heh, once I start x, the problem is that my poor machine gets slammed, even with processes reniced to 20, with in a minute or two my load hits 50, and all I can do is sit there and look at it. I suspect that if I had about 10 times my ram, this might be easier for me to debug.:) Can you suggest any ways for me to grab a strace of it before I get slammed? On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, padraig o'briain wrote: > This does not sound like anything to do with the java access bridge. > > Is this a process running at-spi-registryd and can you get a stack trace from it? > > Padraig > > Deedra Waters wrote: > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > All I did was type startx. As to what was using up my cpu, top didn't show me anything out of the ordinary, top was at the top of the list. > > > > What I do know is that This did not happen till I upgraded at-spi, and installed the java access bridge. > > > > On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, padraig o'briain wrote: > > > > > You do not state what Java application you were running or what applications are using up your CPU. > > > > > > Padraig > > > > > > > > > Deedra Waters wrote: > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > > I don't really know if anyone is going to have answers for this or not. > > > > > > > > I was installing the 1.2.1 version of the gnome java access bridge, and it asked meto upgrade at-spi, so I did that. the version I upgraded to with that is 1.3.9. > > > > > > > > Well, I started gnome with no problems gnopernicus was talking, then all the sudeen it got real quiet, and the load on my machine went through the roof, till I ended up with: 18:16:21 up 21:08, 8 users, load average: 49.24, 42.37, 24.75 > > > > > > > > It was using all of my ram (128mb) and 210mb of swap space. > > > > > > > > The thing I'm wondering is, what could possibley be causing such a mess, yeah, I know I don't have a lot of memory, but that can't be the only problem here. What could flatten my machine in a few minutes like that that's inside gnome, or any of theese two latest apps I've installed? > > > > > > > > If someone could please give me some answers to this, I would appreciate it. Thanks. > > > > > > > > - -- > > > > Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, > > > > http://www.gentoo.org > > > > > > > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > > > iD8DBQE/3lTuU5AGPOTGNc8RAi3jAJ4qQ5M5c2MA8+VMITebrHQ/ioTdsQCfbC/Y > > > > H0zc0A/P5VBi0cfwlO8gtnU= > > > > =1Wt9 > > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > > > > - -- > > Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, > > http://www.gentoo.org > > > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQE/3x4LU5AGPOTGNc8RAvPiAKCSBRR9aEeIF4sbcrMgpaV6TVCyuACgq/yW > > nVjnNo6Ww1xgThOGZcSUtKA= > > =pjAG > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > - -- Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, http://www.gentoo.org Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/3yRcU5AGPOTGNc8RAoQpAKCs/TPgRgS9JeOr419iTWposKUTGQCfQf4y vztTeHRjomilIwcLtyAPv4I= =siJT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Bill.Haneman@Sun.COM Tue Dec 16 10:48:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from nwkea-mail-2.sun.com (nwkea-mail-2.sun.com [192.18.42.14]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB1C018132 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:48:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from phys-eris-1 ([129.156.85.25]) by nwkea-mail-2.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBGFmQ0L004547 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:48:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from ireland.sun.com (max.Ireland.Sun.COM [129.156.238.48]) by eris-mail1.uk.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HPZ00CTJVWRJ0@eris-mail1.uk.sun.com> for gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:48:27 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:39:03 +0000 From: Bill Haneman Subject: [Fwd: Re: accessibility for low vision] To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Reply-To: Bill.Haneman@Sun.COM Message-id: <3FDF2717.C88622F@ireland.sun.com> Organization: Sun Microsystems MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79C-CCK-MCD [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.10 sun4u) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I am forwarding a message from Dirk Schouten. I will reply to it on-list. I expect that many others on this list will have additional comments. I believe Dirk points out some significant RFEs for us, but my impression is that we can address a number of items on his wish list already. I'd be interested in other opinions. best regards, - Bill -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: accessibility for low vision Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:20:34 +0100 From: Dirk Schouten To: Bill Haneman References: <3.0.6.32.20031215140504.00a18c30@pop.knoware.nl><3.0.6.32.20031215140504.00a18c30@pop.knoware.nl> At 14:07 15-12-03 +0000, you wrote: >Dirk Schouten wrote: > >>Esteemed Mr. Haneman, >>Bein visually impaired and Linux user (servers), I hope addressing you will >>make me also use a GUI desktop in the future. >>My main problems with a LINUX GUI are: >>- The lack of big cursors >>- The lack of mouse software. >> >>When GNOME is interested in hearing my/our specific needs, I will be happy >>to elaborate on the above mentioned items. >>Kind regards, >>Dirk >> >Hi Dirk: > >I'd be very interested in your needs. Perhaps you could re-send this >message, or give me permission to forward it to >'gnome-accessibility-devel@gnome.org', so that the discussion can be public. > >The 'big cursors' issue has to do with limitations in the underlying >XServer system. There are some APIs on the way that I believe will help >address this issue. > >Also, if you have two frame buffers you can get a much-enlarged cursor >using 'gnome-mag' and gnopernicus. The performance is a bit sluggish >but it may be enough for your immediate needs. > >But I'd like to hear more about the 'mouse software' which would be >useful to you. Can you elaborate? > >thanks and best regards, > >Bill > Hello Bill, Thanks for the quick reply. I will write it down in a way that it's wider usable. You have permission to copy, cc, etc. Kind regards, Dirk ------------------------------------------------------------------ Visually impaired and the Linux desktop. The visually impaired face a lot of problems when trying to use a 'smooth' desktop. Smooth is difficult to define because there are so many eye deficiencies. Still, a lot of visually impaired and elderly people woudl be greatly helped when a few problems would be solved. And there are many. Some general GUI problems: - good quality fonts that are/stay sharp when enlarged - big icons for the desktop - Every entry in a program should have adjustable font size (menubar, drop down menu's, popupwindows, button characters) - Programs should use the complete desktop. A 'nice' example are the mail programs. There is not one Linux mail program that can do without a 'mailboxes' window like Eudora can. Eudora has a 'Mailbox' entry in the menubar. When clicking on it, the 'Mailboxes' dropdown menu opens and you see all your mailboxes. Point with your mouse and the mailbox opens _full screen_. In that way the whole surface of the desktop is usable for reading mail and reading folders. Personally speaking, this is one of the reasons I have to stay with Windows. Special problems in the GUI environment are the mouse pointers and cursors: - They are much too small. - There is only one (Debian) package with a badly designed big mouse and cursor. - There is not a variety in mouse pointers, cursors, hourglasses etc. that can fit one's need. - There is no mouse software that can: - make long mouse trails - get the mouse pointer in one position on the screen where you can always find it (one of the corners, or the middle of the screen). - get the mouse pointer standard on 'yes' or 'no' (saves searching) - make the cursor blink (to attract attention) A clone of an old version of 'Toggle' http://www.toggle.com would be useful. Hope this is useful to you. Looking forward to .... Kind regards, Dirk ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dirk Schouten Our OSS/GPL primary school CMS Site@School: http://siteatschool.sourceforge.net Tools for teachers: http://wyxs.net Media Action Projects: http://utopia.knoware.nl/users/schoutdi ________________________________ From filastin48@hotmail.com Tue Dec 16 12:53:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from hotmail.com (law11-oe19.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.16.123]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C823E18A7D for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:53:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:53:24 -0800 Received: from 141.161.90.161 by law11-oe19.law11.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:53:24 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [141.161.90.161] X-Originating-Email: [filastin48@hotmail.com] X-Sender: filastin48@hotmail.com Reply-To: "cris" From: "cris" To: Subject: step by step instruction on how to start gnome Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:59:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01C3C3D4.6B00BF40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2003 17:53:24.0441 (UTC) FILETIME=[805FCC90:01C3C3FD] Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C3C3D4.6B00BF40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Hi Folks, > Where can I find a step by step instructions on how to start gnome = with > gnopernicus? I am completely illiterate with linux. I just installed = fedora > and want to play with gnome. My fedora could not detect my sound = system, so > I want to try gnopernicus with dectalk express. If any of you can = guide me > through this process, I will be grateful. > Cheers, > Cris ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C3C3D4.6B00BF40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>
> Hi Folks,
> Where = can I find a=20 step by step instructions on how to start gnome with
> = gnopernicus? I am=20 completely illiterate with linux.  I just installed fedora
> = and want=20 to play with gnome.  My fedora could not detect my sound system, = so
>=20 I want to try gnopernicus with dectalk express.  If any of you can = guide=20 me
> through this process, I will be grateful.
> = Cheers,
>=20 Cris
------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C3C3D4.6B00BF40-- From tward1978@earthlink.net Tue Dec 16 13:42:10 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D68AA18ACC for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:42:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdn-ap-019ilchicp0238.dialsprint.net ([65.176.192.238] helo=noneflzmskjmuf) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AWK8w-0007cE-00; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:42:03 -0800 Message-ID: <00b301c3c404$51913550$eec0b041@noneflzmskjmuf> From: "Tom and Esther Ward" To: "cris" Cc: References: Subject: Re: step by step instruction on how to start gnome Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:42:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B0_01C3C3DA.67CF1FA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01C3C3DA.67CF1FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, Cris. At the current time gnome-speech does not have Dectalk Express = support. There is a driver I am developing, but I haven't done much with = that project as of late. For the time being you'll need your sound card operational so that you = can use gnopernicus with a software speech system such as festival, = freetts, or the dectalk software from Fonix. I'm not certain, but I believe Fedora uses the Red Hat sndconfig utility = for sound card configuration. If so make sure sndconfig is installed, and run sndconfig which is a = textual dialog based application which will walk you step by step = through the sound configuration. As for starting gnome you'll need three things. One make sure the = x-windows server is installed properly. Make sure gnome is installed and = set as your default desktop. These questions were probably asked during = the Linux install, and while installing you should have installed x and = a gnome desktop. It is also a good idea to install festival as = gnopernicus generally defaults to festival first. If so you are ready to = start up gnome with accessibility. Before launching gnome for the first time this accessibility key must be = set. This only needs to be once. gconftool-2 --type bool --set /desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility = true Now, type startx and x-windows should load. At this point press alt-f2 to get a run dialog, type gnopernicus, and = press enter. Assuming your sound card is operational, festival is installed, you = should here welcome to gnopernicus. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: cris=20 To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:59 PM Subject: step by step instruction on how to start gnome > > Hi Folks, > Where can I find a step by step instructions on how to start gnome = with > gnopernicus? I am completely illiterate with linux. I just = installed fedora > and want to play with gnome. My fedora could not detect my sound = system, so > I want to try gnopernicus with dectalk express. If any of you can = guide me > through this process, I will be grateful. > Cheers, > Cris ------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01C3C3DA.67CF1FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello, Cris.
At the current time gnome-speech =  does=20 not have  Dectalk Express support. There is a driver I am = developing, but I=20 haven't done much with that project as of late.
For the time being you'll need your = sound card=20 operational so that you can use gnopernicus with a software speech = system such=20 as festival, freetts, or the dectalk software from Fonix.
I'm not certain, but I believe Fedora = uses the Red=20 Hat sndconfig utility for sound card configuration.
If so make sure sndconfig is installed, = and run=20 sndconfig which is a textual dialog based application which will walk = you step=20 by step through the sound configuration.
As for starting gnome you'll need three = things. One=20 make sure the x-windows server is installed properly. Make sure gnome is = installed and set as your default desktop. These questions were probably = asked=20 during the Linux install, and while installing you should have installed = x and a=20 gnome desktop. It is also a good idea to install festival as gnopernicus = generally defaults to festival first. If so you are ready to start up = gnome with=20 accessibility.
Before launching gnome for the first = time this=20 accessibility key must be set. This only needs to be once.
gconftool-2 --type bool --set=20 /desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility true
Now, type startx and x-windows should=20 load.
At this point press alt-f2 to = get a run=20 dialog, type gnopernicus, and press enter.
Assuming your sound card is = operational, festival=20 is installed, you should here welcome to gnopernicus.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 cris=20
To: gnome-accessibility-li= st@gnome.org=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, = 2003 12:59=20 PM
Subject: step by step = instruction on how=20 to start gnome

>
> Hi Folks,
> Where = can I find a=20 step by step instructions on how to start gnome with
> = gnopernicus? I am=20 completely illiterate with linux.  I just installed = fedora
> and=20 want to play with gnome.  My fedora could not detect my sound = system,=20 so
> I want to try gnopernicus with dectalk express.  If = any of you=20 can guide me
> through this process, I will be grateful.
> = Cheers,
> Cris
------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01C3C3DA.67CF1FA0-- From tward1978@earthlink.net Tue Dec 16 13:46:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E38C41829A for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:46:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdn-ap-019ilchicp0238.dialsprint.net ([65.176.192.238] helo=noneflzmskjmuf) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AWKD3-0000wY-00; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:46:18 -0800 Message-ID: <00cc01c3c404$e98581e0$eec0b041@noneflzmskjmuf> From: "Tom and Esther Ward" To: "Delaunay Christophe" Cc: References: <05B4910E0216D411B14F00508B6A67A9055134A4@renexch5.rennes.thmulti.com> Subject: Re: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 does not want to init my brl display Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:46:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, Delaunay. There is a known bug with gnopernicus 0.7.0 which ships with Drake where the braille support is broken. You must download 0.7.1 from gnome.org and rebuild ggnopernicus from that in order to get braille support. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Delaunay Christophe" To: "Gnome Accessibility List (E-mail)" Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 5:58 AM Subject: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 does not want to init my brl display > Hello listers, > > From the console, when I type startx, gnopernicus starts talking but does > not want to initialize my braille display. > > I know that this question seems like a faq but before asking for your help, > I made sure twice I really did all what I read in the documentation. > > So, here is my configuration : > > - linux mandrake 9.2 on a Compaq DeskPro with 512 mb of ram and PIII > processor running at 750 mHz; > - brltty rev. 3.3.1 compiled with --enable-api and driving a > braillex ELba, (Papenmeier braille display with 32 cells); > - gnopernicus 0.7.0 with all gnome accessibility features installed, > comprising the java access bridge. > - The used TTS is festival 1.4.3 but due to problem with my > soundboard, it really speaks too fast, (like a tape going twice its speed). > > When I launch "startx", gnopernicus is really launched and begins to speak > but here is what I receive on stderr. > ------------------- > ********************** > * SCREEN READER CORE * > ********************** > > GTK Accessibility Module initialized > > brl_open_device: open device failed > ** BRAILLE initialization failed for BRLTTY on port 1 > To change one or more settings use gnopernicus UI > > (srcore:5924): gnopernicus-WARNING **: Callbacks are NOT supported by "V0 > Kevin - Festival GNOME Speech Driver" voice. > gnopernicus-Message: speech initialization succeded > ----------------- > > First, I checked for the presence of /etc/brlapi.key. It's really here and I > can read it. > > Then, I used the "gconftool-2" command as stated in brltty's > "README.gnopernicus" file in order to let gnopernicus use the brltty API. > > Then, I wrote a .xinitrc file in my home directory as follows : > -------------------- > #!/bin/sh > > # Define environment variables. > GARNOME=/usr # garnome is not installed on this computer > PYTHONPATH=/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages > GDK_USE_XFT=1 > GTK_MODULES=gail:atk-bridge > export PYTHONPATH GDK_USE_XFT GTK_MODULES > > # Configure Gnome. > gconftool-2 --type bool --set /apps/desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility > true > > # Tell Gnopernicus which virtual terminal is being used by the X display. > # This is a bit complicated so cut-and-paste (rather than retype) it. > CONTROLVT="$(grep "using VT number" "/var/log/XFree86.$(echo "$DISPLAY" | > sed -e "s/^.*::*\([0-9]*\).*$/\1/").log" | sed -e "s/^.*using VT number > \([0-9]*\).*$/\1/")" > # I added next lines to print the value of CONTROLVT > echo -n "=*=*=* The CONTROLVT variable was set to " > echo -n $CONTROLVT > echo " =*=*=*" > export CONTROLVT > > # Start the Gnome session. > exec $GARNOME/bin/gnome-session > ------------------ > > When the X session start, I can notice that the CONTROLVT variable is set to > 7. > > So, what may be causing this braille initialization problem? > > Is there a way in which gnopernicus could be more precise at init time when > an error occurs? > > Many thanks in advance. Have a nice day. Chris > _______________________________________________ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > From deedra@dmwaters.us Tue Dec 16 19:39:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46DB518383 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:39:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from simba ([68.212.8.108]) by imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031217003945.OPQL17885.imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net@simba>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:39:45 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:38:54 -0600 (CST) From: Deedra Waters X-X-Sender: dmwaters@simba To: Deedra Waters Cc: padraig o'briain , gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: problems with gnome java access bridge In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <3FDEC11B.EE50B0B5@sun.com> <3FDF1F0E.8B8D3539@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ok, removing mozilla seems to have fixed the insane load average, and memory consumption. As near as I can tell, several instences of mozilla seem to be starting, so many that it seems to be swamping my machine entirely. On a slightly different topic, I see a lot of this while gnome is running.... gnopernicus-Message: Multiple instances are NOT ALLOWED. This instance will end.gnopernicus-Message: Multiple instances are NOT ALLOWED. This instance will end.gnopernicus-Message: Multiple instances are NOT ALLOWED. This instance will end.You can only run one xsettings manager at a time; exiting Can anyone tell me why this is happening? and if this is normal? Now I just need to find out why gnopernicus seems to be unresponsive after it starts up, though I guess I might be able to figure that out soon enough. Thanks for your help. On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Deedra Waters wrote: > --[PinePGP]--------------------------------------------------[begin]-- > heh, once I start x, the problem is that my poor machine gets slammed, even with processes reniced to 20, with in a minute or two my load hits 50, and all I can do is sit there and look at it. I suspect that if I had about 10 times my ram, this might be easier for me to debug.:) > > Can you suggest any ways for me to grab a strace of it before I get slammed? > > > On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, padraig o'briain wrote: > > > This does not sound like anything to do with the java access bridge. > > > > Is this a process running at-spi-registryd and can you get a stack trace from it? > > > > Padraig > > > > Deedra Waters wrote: > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > All I did was type startx. As to what was using up my cpu, top didn't show me anything out of the ordinary, top was at the top of the list. > > > > > > What I do know is that This did not happen till I upgraded at-spi, and installed the java access bridge. > > > > > > On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, padraig o'briain wrote: > > > > > > > You do not state what Java application you were running or what applications are using up your CPU. > > > > > > > > Padraig > > > > > > > > > > > > Deedra Waters wrote: > > > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > > > > I don't really know if anyone is going to have answers for this or not. > > > > > > > > > > I was installing the 1.2.1 version of the gnome java access bridge, and it asked meto upgrade at-spi, so I did that. the version I upgraded to with that is 1.3.9. > > > > > > > > > > Well, I started gnome with no problems gnopernicus was talking, then all the sudeen it got real quiet, and the load on my machine went through the roof, till I ended up with: 18:16:21 up 21:08, 8 users, load average: 49.24, 42.37, 24.75 > > > > > > > > > > It was using all of my ram (128mb) and 210mb of swap space. > > > > > > > > > > The thing I'm wondering is, what could possibley be causing such a mess, yeah, I know I don't have a lot of memory, but that can't be the only problem here. What could flatten my machine in a few minutes like that that's inside gnome, or any of theese two latest apps I've installed? > > > > > > > > > > If someone could please give me some answers to this, I would appreciate it. Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > - -- > > > > > Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, > > > > > http://www.gentoo.org > > > > > > > > > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > > > > > iD8DBQE/3lTuU5AGPOTGNc8RAi3jAJ4qQ5M5c2MA8+VMITebrHQ/ioTdsQCfbC/Y > > > > > H0zc0A/P5VBi0cfwlO8gtnU= > > > > > =1Wt9 > > > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > > > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > > > > > > > - -- > > > Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, > > > http://www.gentoo.org > > > > > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > iD8DBQE/3x4LU5AGPOTGNc8RAvPiAKCSBRR9aEeIF4sbcrMgpaV6TVCyuACgq/yW > > > nVjnNo6Ww1xgThOGZcSUtKA= > > > =pjAG > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > -- > Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, > http://www.gentoo.org > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > --[PinePGP]----------------------------------------------------------- > gpg: Signature made Tue Dec 16 09:27:24 2003 CST using DSA key ID E4C635CF > gpg: Good signature from "Deedra Waters " > gpg: aka "Deedra Waters " > gpg: aka "Deedra Waters " > gpg: aka "Deedra Waters " > --[PinePGP]----------------------------------------------------[end]-- > - -- Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, http://www.gentoo.org Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/36WlU5AGPOTGNc8RAvbnAKCB5Ti7egpn6o3FxJHW/cQXXIXOcACZAY4E ZJFGt0S7vIaGmLastwgLRlE= =1MdY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From christophe.delaunay@thomson.net Wed Dec 17 02:24:00 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@mail.gnome.org Received: from ns1.thmulti.com (ns1.thmulti.com [141.11.234.67]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F0A618348 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 02:24:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprelay.thmulti.com (smtprelay [141.11.194.9]) by ns1.thmulti.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA28373 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:23:57 +0100 (MET) Received: from parexch9.paris.thmulti.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtprelay.thmulti.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA28524 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:23:56 +0100 (MET) Received: by outlook.paris.thmulti.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:23:57 +0100 Message-ID: <05B4910E0216D411B14F00508B6A67A9055134A6@renexch5.rennes.thmulti.com> From: Delaunay Christophe To: "Gnome Accessibility List (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 does not want to init my brl display Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:23:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi Tom, Many thanks for your reply. I finally did it and it nearly works. The = only problem which remains is that since my braille display is quite short, = (32 cells only), it only shows me the beginning of a chunk and I don't know = how to display the end. When I perform a CmtFWinRt command, it directly = goes to next item and I did not figure out how to change this behaviour yet. It = is especially annoying while getting long edit fields or checkboxes with = long descriptions since the check mark is presented at the end. So, if anyone knows how to configure gnopernicus in order to display = the entirety of each item on a short braille display, I would appreciate = any hint. Many thanks to all those who helped me to have braille support. Have a = nice day. Chris -----Original Message----- From: Tom and Esther Ward [mailto:tward1978@earthlink.net] Sent: mardi 16 d=E9cembre 2003 19:46 To: Delaunay Christophe Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 does not want to init my brl display Hi, Delaunay. There is a known bug with gnopernicus 0.7.0 which ships with Drake = where the braille support is broken. You must download 0.7.1 from gnome.org and rebuild ggnopernicus from that in order to get braille support. From christophe.delaunay@thomson.net Wed Dec 17 09:04:00 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@mail.gnome.org Received: from ns1.thmulti.com (ns1.thmulti.com [141.11.234.67]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 373F5181DA for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:03:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprelay.thmulti.com (smtprelay [141.11.194.9]) by ns1.thmulti.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA27068 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:03:56 +0100 (MET) Received: from parexch9.paris.thmulti.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtprelay.thmulti.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA02281 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:03:54 +0100 (MET) Received: by outlook.paris.thmulti.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:03:56 +0100 Message-ID: <05B4910E0216D411B14F00508B6A67A9055134A8@renexch5.rennes.thmulti.com> From: Delaunay Christophe To: "Gnome Accessibility List (E-mail)" Subject: gnopernicus and gnome terminal Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:03:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi listers, I wanted to use the gnome terminal in order to try launching a java application. Problem : When I launch the terminal, gnopernicus reports that it is an unknown terminal and does not want to read the command line. Or, perhaps, I don't know how to bring the display to it. So, what should I do? Many thanks in advance. Have a nice day. Chris From christophe.delaunay@thomson.net Wed Dec 17 09:46:09 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@mail.gnome.org Received: from ns1.thmulti.com (ns1.thmulti.com [141.11.234.67]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72DC518514 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:46:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprelay.thmulti.com (smtprelay [141.11.194.9]) by ns1.thmulti.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA03298 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:46:07 +0100 (MET) Received: from parexch3.paris.thmulti.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtprelay.thmulti.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA09280 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:46:03 +0100 (MET) Received: by parexch3 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:11:53 +0100 Message-ID: <05B4910E0216D411B14F00508B6A67A9055134A9@renexch5.rennes.thmulti.com> From: Delaunay Christophe To: "Gnome Accessibility List (E-mail)" Subject: gnopernicus and braille paning Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:12:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi listers, I'm using gnopernicus through BRLTTY's API with a quite small 32 cells display. I noticed that the "pan right" command of my display is mapped to BRLTTY's "CmdFWinRt", which in turn is mapped to "Do default action", in gnopernicus. In fact, when I issue the pan right command, it simply displays next item. However, when there are long items to display, how can I manage to read more than its 32 first characters on my display? Hope my explanations are clear enough and many thanks in advance for any advice. Have a nice day. Chris From rjc@MIT.EDU Wed Dec 17 14:50:38 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.83]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 194D2181FE for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:50:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from central-city-carrier-station.mit.edu (CENTRAL-CITY-CARRIER-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.72]) by pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id hBHJobxY021682 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:50:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.86]) by central-city-carrier-station.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id hBHJoa54005595 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:50:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from johnlennon (JOHNLENNON.MIT.EDU [18.113.1.240]) ) by melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with SMTP id hBHJoYRj001311 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:50:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002201c3c4d6$fdb1cfc0$f0017112@johnlennon> From: "Rich Caloggero" To: References: <05B4910E0216D411B14F00508B6A67A9055134A6@renexch5.rennes.thmulti.com> Subject: Re: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 does not want to init my brl display Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:50:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I'm wondering the same thing. How can we change the way Gnopernicus renders information either in speech or braille? Its somewhere in the config settings, but the UI I found to change some of these rules for how to pronounce different UI items is itself hard to use because of the way the rules are setup. So, is there a text-based way of changing these settings, and some documentation on how to do it? Thanx in advance... Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Delaunay Christophe" To: "Gnome Accessibility List (E-mail)" Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:23 AM Subject: RE: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 does not want to init my brl display Hi Tom, Many thanks for your reply. I finally did it and it nearly works. The only problem which remains is that since my braille display is quite short, (32 cells only), it only shows me the beginning of a chunk and I don't know how to display the end. When I perform a CmtFWinRt command, it directly goes to next item and I did not figure out how to change this behaviour yet. It is especially annoying while getting long edit fields or checkboxes with long descriptions since the check mark is presented at the end. So, if anyone knows how to configure gnopernicus in order to display the entirety of each item on a short braille display, I would appreciate any hint. Many thanks to all those who helped me to have braille support. Have a nice day. Chris -----Original Message----- From: Tom and Esther Ward [mailto:tward1978@earthlink.net] Sent: mardi 16 décembre 2003 19:46 To: Delaunay Christophe Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 does not want to init my brl display Hi, Delaunay. There is a known bug with gnopernicus 0.7.0 which ships with Drake where the braille support is broken. You must download 0.7.1 from gnome.org and rebuild ggnopernicus from that in order to get braille support. _______________________________________________ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list From Peter.Korn@Sun.COM Wed Dec 17 18:44:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from nwkea-mail-2.sun.com (nwkea-mail-2.sun.com [192.18.42.14]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A720A18B72 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:44:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from phys-d3-ha21sca-1 ([129.145.155.163]) by nwkea-mail-2.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBHNiL0H027190 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:44:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun.com (vpn-129-150-19-83.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.19.83]) by ha21sca-mail1.sfbay.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HQ2007GTCLWYK@ha21sca-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> for gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:44:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:44:18 -0800 From: Peter Korn Subject: Re: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 does not want to init my brl display To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Message-id: <3FE0EA52.9090108@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 References: <05B4910E0216D411B14F00508B6A67A9055134A6@renexch5.rennes.thmulti.com> <002201c3c4d6$fdb1cfc0$f0017112@johnlennon> Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi Rich, Chris, > I'm wondering the same thing. How can we change the way Gnopernicus renders > information either in speech or braille? Its somewhere in the config > settings, but the UI I found to change some of these rules for how to > pronounce different UI items is itself hard to use because of the way the > rules are setup. So, is there a text-based way of changing these settings, > and some documentation on how to do it? > > Thanx in advance... Chris - which Braille display are you using? I don't think BAUM owns all of the displays they support (especially since the BrlTTY work). Also, what are the Braille command settings in the Preferences->Braille Preferences->Braille Key Mapping dialog (the Braille Keys tab)? Gnopernicus version 0.71 defines these Braille keys as "DKxx". You can map these to whatever Gnopernicus command you want. See if that fixes things for you. Both Rich and Chris - the presentation output changes you want to make can be found in the Preferences->Presentation dialog. This is currently a very difficult dialog to use, and as a result of feedback from folks Sun brought into our Usability Labs BAUM is in the middle of redesigning these dialogs. For now, you need to arrow down through the table to find the line containing the combination of [output device, role, event] and modify the presentation string (in the "chunk" column) to make the output be what you want. Note also that in addition to the dialog changes that are in process, BAUM is changing the syntax of the output "chunk", moving to XML. Finally, while these strings are stored in gconf for now, they will be moving to their own XML file which gets read at startup time. So, the basic answer is that you can change things now, and hopefully soon (before GNOME 2.6.0) it will be much easier to change them! Regards, Peter Korn Sun Accessibility team > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Delaunay Christophe" > To: "Gnome Accessibility List (E-mail)" > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:23 AM > Subject: RE: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 does not want to init my brl display > > > Hi Tom, > > Many thanks for your reply. I finally did it and it nearly works. The only > problem which remains is that since my braille display is quite short, (32 > cells only), it only shows me the beginning of a chunk and I don't know how > to display the end. When I perform a CmtFWinRt command, it directly goes to > next item and I did not figure out how to change this behaviour yet. It is > especially annoying while getting long edit fields or checkboxes with long > descriptions since the check mark is presented at the end. > > So, if anyone knows how to configure gnopernicus in order to display the > entirety of each item on a short braille display, I would appreciate any > hint. > > Many thanks to all those who helped me to have braille support. Have a nice > day. Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom and Esther Ward [mailto:tward1978@earthlink.net] > Sent: mardi 16 décembre 2003 19:46 > To: Delaunay Christophe > Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 does not want to init my brl display > > > Hi, Delaunay. > There is a known bug with gnopernicus 0.7.0 which ships with Drake where the > braille support is broken. You must download 0.7.1 from gnome.org and > rebuild ggnopernicus from that in order to get braille support. > _______________________________________________ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list From filastin48@hotmail.com Thu Dec 18 16:17:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from hotmail.com (law11-oe42.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.16.100]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D42518327 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:17:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:17:58 -0800 Received: from 141.161.90.161 by law11-oe42.law11.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:17:58 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [141.161.90.161] X-Originating-Email: [filastin48@hotmail.com] X-Sender: filastin48@hotmail.com Reply-To: "cris" From: "cris" To: Subject: help with gnome and gnopernicus. Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:23:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01C3C583.57109CC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Dec 2003 21:17:58.0509 (UTC) FILETIME=[691D71D0:01C3C5AC] Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C3C583.57109CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi folks, When I logged out of the gnome session I had save session = checked, I did this several times. Now, every time I run gnome, I have = many coppies running at the same time. So, everything gnopernicus says, = it gets repeated several times. I can no longer understand what it says = because of this problem. Is there a way of manually deleting those = settings and starting fresh with the command line? How can I solve this = problem? =20 I also want to know where to find a document that lists the basic screen = review commands of gnopernicus, so that I can read the help files. Any help would be extremely appreciated. Cris ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C3C583.57109CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi folks,    When I = logged out of=20 the gnome session I had save session checked, I did this several = times. =20 Now, every time I run gnome, I have many coppies running at the same = time. =20 So, everything gnopernicus says, it gets repeated several times.  I = can no=20 longer understand what it says because of this problem.  Is there a = way of=20 manually deleting those settings and starting fresh with the command = line? =20 How can I solve this problem? 
I also want to know where to find a = document that=20 lists the basic screen review commands of gnopernicus, so that I can = read the=20 help files.
Any help would be extremely=20 appreciated.
Cris
------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C3C583.57109CC0-- From tward1978@earthlink.net Thu Dec 18 17:06:56 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net (conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.54]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85EBC180E4 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:06:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdn-ap-017ilchicp0448.dialsprint.net ([65.176.169.194] helo=noneflzmskjmuf) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AX6II-0006le-00; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:06:54 -0800 Message-ID: <009501c3c5b3$47a417a0$c2a9b041@noneflzmskjmuf> From: "Tom and Esther Ward" To: "cris" Cc: References: Subject: Re: help with gnome and gnopernicus. Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:07:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0092_01C3C589.5D3D8490" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0092_01C3C589.5D3D8490 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One possible solution is to delete the session files in your .gnome2 = directory in your home directory. If you can't find them it might just be easier to delete .gnome2 = directory, and let it get recreated when launching gnome again. Note, you will probably loose any settings you have for gnopernicus so = be prepared to reset your favorite settings. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: cris=20 To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org=20 Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 4:23 PM Subject: help with gnome and gnopernicus. Hi folks, When I logged out of the gnome session I had save session = checked, I did this several times. Now, every time I run gnome, I have = many coppies running at the same time. So, everything gnopernicus says, = it gets repeated several times. I can no longer understand what it says = because of this problem. Is there a way of manually deleting those = settings and starting fresh with the command line? How can I solve this = problem? =20 I also want to know where to find a document that lists the basic = screen review commands of gnopernicus, so that I can read the help = files. Any help would be extremely appreciated. Cris ------=_NextPart_000_0092_01C3C589.5D3D8490 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
One possible solution is to delete the = session=20 files in your .gnome2 directory in your home directory.
If you can't find them it might just be = easier to=20 delete .gnome2 directory, and let it get recreated when launching gnome=20 again.
Note, you will probably loose any = settings you have=20 for gnopernicus so be prepared to reset your favorite = settings.
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 cris=20
To: gnome-accessibility-li= st@gnome.org=20
Sent: Thursday, December 18, = 2003 4:23=20 PM
Subject: help with gnome and=20 gnopernicus.

Hi folks,    When I = logged out of=20 the gnome session I had save session checked, I did this several = times. =20 Now, every time I run gnome, I have many coppies running at the same=20 time.  So, everything gnopernicus says, it gets repeated several=20 times.  I can no longer understand what it says because of this=20 problem.  Is there a way of manually deleting those settings and = starting=20 fresh with the command line?  How can I solve this problem?  =
I also want to know where to find a = document that=20 lists the basic screen review commands of gnopernicus, so that I can = read the=20 help files.
Any help would be extremely=20 appreciated.
Cris
------=_NextPart_000_0092_01C3C589.5D3D8490-- From jcf@tpg.com.au Fri Dec 19 07:24:56 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from mail4.tpgi.com.au (mail4.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.61]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF52618481 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 07:24:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from tpg.com.au (220-244-166-219.tpgi.com.au [220.244.166.219]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail4.tpgi.com.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBJCOrfC019213 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 23:24:53 +1100 Message-ID: <3FE2EE16.5050909@tpg.com.au> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 23:24:54 +1100 From: Jeff Franks User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: AtkHyperlink question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, I'm updating the API I use for my Inti C++ ATK binding to ATK 1.5.1 (CVS) and I had a couple of questions. Previously I have wrapped all the class and Iface virtual functions, such as those in AtkHyperlinkClass and AtkTextIface. I'm feel this may be overkill in the wrapping department for the average programmer but I assumed these functions would need to be implemented when adding accessibility support to a custom or new widgets. Is this the case? What is the purpose of the "link_state" function pointer in AtkHyperlink. There doesn't seem to be a corresponding function for it. Thanks, Jeff Franks. From alpuzz@comcast.net Fri Dec 26 14:39:18 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C9C0186E5 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 14:39:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from tecra8100 (bgp01091460bgs.waren401.mi.comcast.net[68.43.185.118]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2003122619391601200r4dt0e>; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 19:39:17 +0000 Message-ID: <002701c3cbe8$46748b40$6900a8c0@waren401.mi.comcast.net> From: "Al Puzzuoli" To: Subject: Problems installing DECTALK Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 14:41:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01C3CBBE.5CEF0960" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C3CBBE.5CEF0960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, I am attempting to set up dec speech on a system running Fedora, and am = encountering a problem. First, i ran the dec installer, and it seemed to install with no = problems. Then, I rebuilt and installed Gnome-speech-0.2.7. When I = configured it, I used the --prefix=3D/usr and --sysconfdir=3D/etc = options. According to configure, both the dec and festival drivers were built, = and when I run test-speech, that fact appears to be confirmed. The = Festival server tests out okay; however, I get the following output if I = attempt to select the dec server: =20 1: OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Dectalk:proto0.2 2: OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Festival:proto0.2 Select a server: 1 Atempting to activate = OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Dectalk:proto0.2. No server selected. Does anyone have any idea what might be going on? Thanks, --Al ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C3CBBE.5CEF0960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all,
I am attempting to set up dec speech on = a system=20 running Fedora, and am encountering a problem.
First, i ran the dec installer, and it = seemed to=20 install with no problems.  Then, I  rebuilt and installed=20 Gnome-speech-0.2.7.  When I configured it, I used the = --prefix=3D/usr and=20 --sysconfdir=3D/etc options.
According to configure, both the dec = and festival=20 drivers were built, and when I run test-speech, that fact appears to be=20 confirmed. The Festival server tests out okay; however, I get the = following=20 output if I attempt to select the dec server: 
 

1: OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Dectalk:proto0.2
2:=20 OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Festival:proto0.2
 
Select a server: 1
Atempting to activate=20 OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Dectalk:proto0.2.
No server=20 selected.
 
Does anyone have any idea what might be going on?
 
Thanks,
 
--Al

 
------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C3CBBE.5CEF0960-- From alpuzz@comcast.net Fri Dec 26 15:10:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2E84182CA for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 15:10:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from tecra8100 (bgp01091460bgs.waren401.mi.comcast.net[68.43.185.118]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2003122620104401600rlupse>; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 20:10:44 +0000 Message-ID: <003a01c3cbec$ab707460$6900a8c0@waren401.mi.comcast.net> From: "Al Puzzuoli" To: References: <002701c3cbe8$46748b40$6900a8c0@waren401.mi.comcast.net> Subject: Re: Please disregard Problems installing DECTALK Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 15:13:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0037_01C3CBC2.C1C960C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C3CBC2.C1C960C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable After poking around some more in the archives, I discovered that I = needed to edit files.sh and set the base dir to /usr before installing = dec. This seems to have done the trick so it looks like i'm on my way. Thanks, ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Al Puzzuoli=20 To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org=20 Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 2:41 PM Subject: Problems installing DECTALK Hello all, I am attempting to set up dec speech on a system running Fedora, and = am encountering a problem. First, i ran the dec installer, and it seemed to install with no = problems. Then, I rebuilt and installed Gnome-speech-0.2.7. When I = configured it, I used the --prefix=3D/usr and --sysconfdir=3D/etc = options. According to configure, both the dec and festival drivers were built, = and when I run test-speech, that fact appears to be confirmed. The = Festival server tests out okay; however, I get the following output if I = attempt to select the dec server: =20 1: OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Dectalk:proto0.2 2: OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Festival:proto0.2 Select a server: 1 Atempting to activate = OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Dectalk:proto0.2. No server selected. Does anyone have any idea what might be going on? Thanks, --Al ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C3CBC2.C1C960C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
After poking around some more in the = archives, I=20 discovered that I needed to edit files.sh and set the base dir to /usr = before=20 installing dec.  This seems to have done the trick so it looks like = i'm on=20 my way.
 
Thanks,
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Al = Puzzuoli=20
To: gnome-accessibility-li= st@gnome.org=20
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 = 2:41=20 PM
Subject: Problems installing=20 DECTALK

Hello all,
I am attempting to set up dec speech = on a system=20 running Fedora, and am encountering a problem.
First, i ran the dec installer, and = it seemed to=20 install with no problems.  Then, I  rebuilt and installed=20 Gnome-speech-0.2.7.  When I configured it, I used the = --prefix=3D/usr and=20 --sysconfdir=3D/etc options.
According to configure, both the dec = and festival=20 drivers were built, and when I run test-speech, that fact appears to = be=20 confirmed. The Festival server tests out okay; however, I get the = following=20 output if I attempt to select the dec server: 
 

1: OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Dectalk:proto0.2
2: = OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Festival:proto0.2
 
Select a server: 1
Atempting to activate=20 OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Dectalk:proto0.2.
No server=20 selected.
 
Does anyone have any idea what might be going on?
 
Thanks,
 
--Al

 
------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C3CBC2.C1C960C0-- From tward1978@earthlink.net Sat Dec 27 01:04:29 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D303189AD for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 01:04:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdn-ap-020ilchicp0474.dialsprint.net ([65.176.201.220] helo=noneflzmskjmuf) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Aa7Ym-000526-00; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 22:04:24 -0800 Message-ID: <00d301c3cc3f$5267b4c0$dcc9b041@noneflzmskjmuf> From: "Tom and Esther Ward" To: "Al Puzzuoli" Cc: References: <002701c3cbe8$46748b40$6900a8c0@waren401.mi.comcast.net> Subject: Re: Problems installing DECTALK Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 01:04:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D0_01C3CC15.68D9F580" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D0_01C3CC15.68D9F580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I had the exact problem on Mandrake 9.2. I fsolved the problem by = copying the Dectalk libs from the Dectalk installer into /usr/lib and = the problem went away. Hth. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Al Puzzuoli=20 To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org=20 Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 2:41 PM Subject: Problems installing DECTALK Hello all, I am attempting to set up dec speech on a system running Fedora, and = am encountering a problem. First, i ran the dec installer, and it seemed to install with no = problems. Then, I rebuilt and installed Gnome-speech-0.2.7. When I = configured it, I used the --prefix=3D/usr and --sysconfdir=3D/etc = options. According to configure, both the dec and festival drivers were built, = and when I run test-speech, that fact appears to be confirmed. The = Festival server tests out okay; however, I get the following output if I = attempt to select the dec server: =20 1: OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Dectalk:proto0.2 2: OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Festival:proto0.2 Select a server: 1 Atempting to activate = OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Dectalk:proto0.2. No server selected. Does anyone have any idea what might be going on? Thanks, --Al =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00D0_01C3CC15.68D9F580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, I had the exact problem on Mandrake = 9.2. I=20 fsolved the problem by copying the Dectalk libs from the Dectalk = installer into=20 /usr/lib and the problem went away.
Hth.
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Al = Puzzuoli=20
To: gnome-accessibility-li= st@gnome.org=20
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 = 2:41=20 PM
Subject: Problems installing=20 DECTALK

Hello all,
I am attempting to set up dec speech = on a system=20 running Fedora, and am encountering a problem.
First, i ran the dec installer, and = it seemed to=20 install with no problems.  Then, I  rebuilt and installed=20 Gnome-speech-0.2.7.  When I configured it, I used the = --prefix=3D/usr and=20 --sysconfdir=3D/etc options.
According to configure, both the dec = and festival=20 drivers were built, and when I run test-speech, that fact appears to = be=20 confirmed. The Festival server tests out okay; however, I get the = following=20 output if I attempt to select the dec server: 
 

1: OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Dectalk:proto0.2
2: = OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Festival:proto0.2
 
Select a server: 1
Atempting to activate=20 OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Dectalk:proto0.2.
No server=20 selected.
 
Does anyone have any idea what might be going on?
 
Thanks,
 
--Al

 
------=_NextPart_000_00D0_01C3CC15.68D9F580-- From lists@digitaldarragh.com Tue Dec 30 13:47:05 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.secure-ssl-server.us (mail.secure-ssl-server.us [212.17.38.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BE2E18B04 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 13:47:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from D ([193.203.157.196]) by mail.secure-ssl-server.us (Merak 6.0.8) with ASMTP id FF8D6A80 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:47:05 -0000 Message-ID: <00de01c3cf05$4f888900$0301a8c0@D> From: "Darragh" To: Subject: Gnopernicus wasn't installed Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:47:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C3CF05.4F519A80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C3CF05.4F519A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, Can any one tall me how to get gnopernicus and the associated programs = installed? I'm Running a new installation of Mandrake 9.2=20 Any help appreciated. I'm also looking for information on installing festivle. Darragh -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------------------------------- Why do we spend more time troubleshooting our systems than = actually using them? =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------------------------------- ------=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C3CF05.4F519A80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all,
Can any one tall me how to get = gnopernicus and the=20 associated programs installed?
 
I'm Running a new installation of = Mandrake 9.2=20
 
Any help appreciated.
 
I'm also looking for information on = installing=20 festivle.
 
 
Darragh
----------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------------------------------<= BR>     =20 Why do we spend more time troubleshooting our systems than actually = using=20 them?       =20
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------=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C3CF05.4F519A80-- From nath.ml@free.fr Tue Dec 30 15:35:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from postfix3-1.free.fr (postfix3-1.free.fr [213.228.0.44]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76E8C185FF for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 15:35:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from spy.home (lns-th2-15-82-64-236-218.adsl.proxad.net [82.64.236.218]) by postfix3-1.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28260C41F1; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 21:35:36 +0100 (CET) To: "Darragh" Cc: Subject: Re: Gnopernicus wasn't installed References: <00de01c3cf05$4f888900$0301a8c0@D> From: Nath Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:35:54 +0100 In-Reply-To: <00de01c3cf05$4f888900$0301a8c0@D> (lists@digitaldarragh.com's message of "Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:47:00 -0000") Message-ID: <873cb2gf9h.fsf@spy.home> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I saw a few days ago that Mdk 9.2 has Gnopernicus included as an rpm package. so if it is not installed, try to find it and install it as you install a normal .rpm package. sorry not to be able to tell you more about this but I'm on Debian ... "Darragh" writes: > Hello all, > > Can any one tall me how to get gnopernicus and the associated programs > installed? > >   > > I'm Running a new installation of Mandrake 9.2 > >   > > Any help appreciated. > >   > > I'm also looking for information on installing festivle. > >   > >   > > Darragh > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >       Why do we spend more time troubleshooting our systems than actually > using them?        > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Nath From tward1978@earthlink.net Tue Dec 30 22:54:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 248D0187F4 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:54:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdn-ap-020ilchicp0202.dialsprint.net ([65.176.200.202] helo=noneflzmskjmuf) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AbXR1-0005dB-00; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 19:54:16 -0800 Message-ID: <01ef01c3cf51$c5365a00$cac8b041@noneflzmskjmuf> From: "Tom and Esther Ward" To: "Darragh" Cc: References: <00de01c3cf05$4f888900$0301a8c0@D> Subject: Re: Gnopernicus wasn't installed Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:54:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01EC_01C3CF27.D9A354E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01EC_01C3CF27.D9A354E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, Darragh. I've got some good news and bad news for you, but this is very easy to = fix. The powerpack eddition that you can purchase includes gnopernicus, = but the free iso images do not from what I can tell. I can do one of = two things. If you would like I can email you the gnopernicus rpms = directly from the Powerpack cd's that I baught, or I can point you to = some Mandrake ftp sites whwith a list of rpms to download. Mandrake does offer the gnopernicus rpms on places like planetmirror.com = and sourceforge.com, and i can certainly tell you which files you need = to download, or I can simply email them to you. Hth. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Darragh=20 To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 1:47 PM Subject: Gnopernicus wasn't installed Hello all, Can any one tall me how to get gnopernicus and the associated programs = installed? I'm Running a new installation of Mandrake 9.2=20 Any help appreciated. I'm also looking for information on installing festivle. Darragh = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------------------------------- Why do we spend more time troubleshooting our systems than = actually using them? =20 = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------------------------------- ------=_NextPart_000_01EC_01C3CF27.D9A354E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello, Darragh.
I've got some good news and bad news = for you, but=20 this is very easy to fix.  The powerpack eddition that you can = purchase=20 includes gnopernicus, but the free iso images do not from what I can = tell. =20 I can do one of two things. If you would like I can email you the = gnopernicus=20 rpms directly from the Powerpack cd's that I baught, or I can point you = to some=20 Mandrake ftp sites whwith a list of rpms to download.
Mandrake does offer the gnopernicus = rpms on places=20 like planetmirror.com and sourceforge.com, and i can certainly tell you = which=20 files you need to download, or I can simply email them to = you.
Hth.
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Darragh
To: gnome-accessibility-li= st@gnome.org=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, = 2003 1:47=20 PM
Subject: Gnopernicus wasn't=20 installed

Hello all,
Can any one tall me how to get = gnopernicus and=20 the associated programs installed?
 
I'm Running a new installation of = Mandrake 9.2=20
 
Any help appreciated.
 
I'm also looking for information on = installing=20 festivle.
 
 
Darragh
----------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------------------------------<= BR>     =20 Why do we spend more time troubleshooting our systems than actually = using=20 them?       =20 =
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------=_NextPart_000_01EC_01C3CF27.D9A354E0-- From linux@bytebot.net Tue Dec 30 23:32:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from chop.phpwebhosting.com (chop.phpwebhosting.com [66.132.134.9]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 00242186F3 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 23:32:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 18628 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 04:32:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO 6-allhosts) (219.95.201.66) by chop.phpwebhosting.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 04:32:22 -0000 Subject: Gnopernicus and Fedora Core 1 From: Colin Charles Reply-To: byte@bytebot.net To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: ByteBot.net Message-Id: <1072845142.29149.17.camel@hermione> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 12:32:23 +0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, Has anyone tried this combination? I did a "yum install gnopernicus". It installed. Ran fine[1] for a while, crashes now. [1] - fine meaning I couldn't hear any voice output, but at least the program started up. What are my options? Thanks -- Colin Charles, byte@aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ From linux@bytebot.net Wed Dec 31 02:21:56 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from chop.phpwebhosting.com (chop.phpwebhosting.com [66.132.134.9]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 830EC183DA for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 02:21:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10207 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 07:21:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO 6-allhosts) (219.95.201.66) by chop.phpwebhosting.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 07:21:53 -0000 Subject: Re: Gnopernicus and Fedora Core 1 From: Colin Charles Reply-To: byte@bytebot.net To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1072845142.29149.17.camel@hermione> References: <1072845142.29149.17.camel@hermione> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: ByteBot.net Message-Id: <1072855314.29100.25.camel@hermione> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 15:21:54 +0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, 2003-12-31 at 12:32, Colin Charles wrote: > I did a "yum install gnopernicus". It installed. Ran fine[1] for a > while, crashes now. Solved by installing festival. Is there any better text-to-speech software out there? Thanks. -- Colin Charles, byte@aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ From d@digitaldarragh.com Tue Dec 30 13:40:58 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.secure-ssl-server.us (mail.secure-ssl-server.us [212.17.38.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 385A718B5B for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 13:40:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from D ([193.203.157.196]) by mail.secure-ssl-server.us (Merak 6.0.8) with ASMTP id FF8D6A80 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:40:56 -0000 Message-ID: <00c701c3cf04$73cbf0f0$0301a8c0@D> From: "Darragh" To: Subject: Gnopernicus wasn't installed Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:40:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C4_01C3CF04.7392B880" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C4_01C3CF04.7392B880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, Can any one tall me how to get gnopernicus and the associated programs = installed? I'm Running a new installation of Mandrake 9.2=20 Any help appreciated. I'm also looking for information on installing festivle. Darragh -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------------------------------- Why do we spend more time troubleshooting our systems than = actually using them? =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------------------------------- ------=_NextPart_000_00C4_01C3CF04.7392B880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all,
Can any one tall me how to get = gnopernicus and the=20 associated programs installed?
 
I'm Running a new installation of = Mandrake 9.2=20
 
Any help appreciated.
 
I'm also looking for information on = installing=20 festivle.
 
 
Darragh
----------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------------------------------<= BR>     =20 Why do we spend more time troubleshooting our systems than actually = using=20 them?       =20
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------=_NextPart_000_00C4_01C3CF04.7392B880-- From hanksmith@hanksmith.net Mon Dec 1 10:39:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from mediacast1.com (216.55.105.70.hera.net [216.55.105.70]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8127186AF for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 10:39:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from home4pboayp77g (12-230-35-212.client.attbi.com [12.230.35.212]) by mediacast1.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id hB1FdCtY044923 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 10:39:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from hanksmith@hanksmith.net) Message-ID: <002101c3b821$45422460$2101a8c0@home4pboayp77g> From: "hank" To: Subject: testing Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 07:39:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C3B7DE.34BD26A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C3B7DE.34BD26A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable are my messages getting threw to the list? ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C3B7DE.34BD26A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C3B7DE.34BD26A0-- From lukethemuso@ozemail.com.au Mon Dec 1 15:52:12 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from smta05.mail.ozemail.net (smta05.mail.ozemail.net [203.103.165.90]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C10AE18793 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 15:52:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from luke-laptop.ozemail.com.au ([203.61.132.156]) by smta05.mail.ozemail.net with ESMTP id <20031201205158.VXQB23090.smta05.mail.ozemail.net@luke-laptop.ozemail.com.au>; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 20:51:58 +0000 Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.1.20031202074919.00ab7e90@mail.ozemail.com.au> X-Sender: lukethemuso@mail.ozemail.com.au (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 07:49:27 +1100 To: "hank" From: Luke Yelavich Subject: Re: testing Cc: In-Reply-To: <002101c3b821$45422460$2101a8c0@home4pboayp77g> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: At 02:39 AM 2/12/2003, hank wrote: >are my messages getting threw to the list? Loud and clear. Luke From michael@ximian.com Tue Dec 2 06:33:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D504182D2 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 06:33:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 27155 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 11:33:46 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO linux.local) (michael@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 11:33:45 -0000 Subject: Re: Gnopernicus Questions From: Michael Meeks To: Rich Caloggero Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <005901c3b467$41782590$f0017112@johnlennon> References: <005901c3b467$41782590$f0017112@johnlennon> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Ximian. Message-Id: <1070393526.25955.124.camel@linux.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 19:32:07 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi Rich, On Wed, 2003-11-26 at 21:50, Rich Caloggero wrote: > Well, I've gotten festival working with gnopernicus on my 500MHZ rh9 box. > Its a huge huge improvement over freeTTS in terms of speed. Great :-) > 3. I know nothing about X. However, I've checked the option in gnopernicus > to have it load on startup, and it never starts. I usually login and press > f2 and type gnopernicus. I created a session-manual file in my .gnome2 Ok - so you need to run 'gnome-session-properties' under X; go to the startup-programs tab, and add 'gnopernicus' in there. Of course - you need to start Gnome using gnome-session to get a number of things to work - are you logging in via an accessible gdm2 ? or are you doing some 'startx' thing ? - the latter may make logout not work so well. Also in any bug report, it's really useful to know about your underlying system / vendor / version stuff. Anyway - really glad this is making good progress, Regards, Michael. -- michael@ximian.com <><, Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot From tward1978@earthlink.net Wed Dec 3 14:57:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net (cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.226]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6472D18D97 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 14:57:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdn-ap-017ilchicp0324.dialsprint.net ([65.176.169.70] helo=noneflzmskjmuf) by cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1ARd7P-0002RK-00; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 11:57:04 -0800 Message-ID: <006401c3b9d7$ab6b9ed0$46a9b041@noneflzmskjmuf> From: "Tom and Esther Ward" To: "Kenny Hitt" Cc: References: <003e01c39e88$a6492c20$f5e0b041@noneflzmskjmuf> <20031030172940.GA4545@blackbox.hittsjunk.net> <002901c39f1c$d7d00220$d9c9b041@noneflzmskjmuf> <20031203171450.GA17250@blackbox.hittsjunk.net> Subject: Re: accessible email client on gnome Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 14:57:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hello. As for the focus tracking problem that is a known bug with gnopernicus 0.7 and 0.7.1 stable There are to possibilities you can do for work arounds for the problem. With gnopernicus 0.7.1. First, if you open a message in balsa by pressing enter on the current message, go to mail, and reply you can then use the regular arrows to read the entire message. Yeah, I know it isn't the same, but it works. In fact, i like doing that better than flat review as I can arrow to the letters to get exact spellings. Another less apealing solution is to update gail and gnopernicus from cvs which fixes the flat review bug, but introduces some new bugs. As to the reason I am not using balsa at the moment has nothing to do with accessibility. At the moment I am having problems with my smtp setup. Every time I try to send mail in Linux with mutt, balsa, etc my mail I get an error about not being able to send. However, balsa can pop mail off of earthlink which comes down to I can read mail I just can't send any yet. Until I get smtp going under Mandrake I will just have to improvize with the Windows email clients until such time that I solve the smtp problems. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenny Hitt" To: "Tom and Esther Ward" Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 12:14 PM Subject: Re: accessible email client on gnome > Hi. I have some questions about your suggestions. > My Gnome 2.4 and Gnopernicus 0.71 can't switch into flat review mode. > Every time I try, I get kicked back to focus tracking mode. How did you > fix this? > Second, if balsa is so accessible, why are you still using outlook > express? > > Kenny > > On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 02:34:31PM -0500, Tom and Esther Ward wrote: > > Hi. > > First tab into the text of the message. Then, I use flat review mode to read > > the message. To toggle to flat review use the delete key on the numpad while > > on kpd level 0. > > Then the numpad-8 and numpad-2 will arrow up andd down through the lines of > > the message. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kenny Hitt" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 12:29 PM > > Subject: Re: accessible email client on gnome > > > > > > > Hi. How do you get gnopernicus to read the text of the message in balsa? > > > > > > Kenny > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 08:47:48PM -0500, Tom and Esther Ward wrote: > > > > Hi. > > > > I have found balsa to be one of the most accessible email clients > > around. > > > > What I have done is set my balsa preferences to automatically open my > > inbox > > > > on startup. > > > > However, typically if there are messages in your inbox pressing enter > > should > > > > open that folder. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Don Raikes" > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 7:21 PM > > > > Subject: accessible email client on gnome > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi list, > > > > > > > > > > using gnome 2.4 > > > > > > > > > > I am looking for an accessible email client on gnome using > > gnopernicus. > > > > > > > > > > When I tried balsa, I couldn't manager to open the inbox to see what > > > > > messages I had. I saw the list of mailboxes, but couldn't figure out > > how > > > > > to open the inbox. > > > > > > > > > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > > > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > _______________________________________________ > > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > > > > > From kd7cyu@yahoo.com Thu Dec 4 16:50:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.11.34]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EE4E518264 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 16:50:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown (HELO tom) (kd7cyu@216.173.216.10 with login) by smtp003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 21:50:38 -0000 Message-ID: <002401c3bab0$b2e55410$0200000a@tom> From: "Tom Masterson" To: Subject: gnopernicus question Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:50:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01C3BA6D.A388F7D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C3BA6D.A388F7D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all I finally got x-windows and gnome too work and gnopernicus also runs. = so the next problems are: 1. it doesn't know about my braille display. This is needed since this = computer has no sound. Actually it does have a sound card but linux is = having problems with it and it has no speakers hooked too it anyway so = braille is the only option. So how do I get braille too work? 2. Brlapi tells me something like no authentication found or some such = message. Is this a problem and how do I solve it? 3. When gnopernicus comes up it has the magnifier up and my wife has = trouble finding any thing on teh screen that might help because it gets = burried behind the magnifier. is there a way too tell it not to use the = magnifier? FOr those who need this info it is gnome 2.4 and I am not sure which = version of gnopernicus as it was loaded with gnome. Thanks Tom Masterson ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C3BA6D.A388F7D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all
 
I finally got x-windows and gnome too = work and=20 gnopernicus also runs.  so the next problems are:
 
1.  it doesn't know about my = braille=20 display.  This is needed since this computer has no sound.  = Actually=20 it does have a sound card but linux is having problems with it and it = has no=20 speakers hooked too it anyway so braille is the only option.  So = how do I=20 get braille too work?
 
2.  Brlapi tells me something like = no=20 authentication found or some such message.  Is this a problem and = how do I=20 solve it?
 
3.  When gnopernicus comes up it = has the=20 magnifier up and my wife has trouble finding any thing on teh screen = that might=20 help because it gets burried behind the magnifier.  is there a way = too tell=20 it not to use the magnifier?
 
FOr those who need this info it is = gnome 2.4=20 and  I am not sure which version of gnopernicus as it was loaded = with=20 gnome.
 
Thanks
Tom = Masterson
------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C3BA6D.A388F7D0-- From alpuzz@comcast.net Thu Dec 4 18:53:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 584F3181BF for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 18:53:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from tecra8100 (bgp01091460bgs.waren401.mi.comcast.net[68.43.185.118]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20031204235358016008ei49e>; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 23:53:58 +0000 Message-ID: <001901c3bac2$3e954ea0$6900a8c0@waren401.mi.comcast.net> From: "Al Puzzuoli" To: Subject: Gnopernicus stops after a few minutes. Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 18:56:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01C3BA98.55422760" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C3BA98.55422760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Everyone, I am experimenting with Gnopernicus 0.7.1 on a system running fedora, = and am noticing that after a few minutes of use, usually anywhere = between 5 to 10 minutes, I am losing speech. When this happens, the = only way I have found to restore functionality is to reboot. I haven't = been able to come up with any reproducible factors other than that. it = has happened to me while scrolling through the start menu, working in = Balsa or even just when tabbing through the controls of the Gnopernicus = main window. =20 The problem has occurred with Festival as well as with Dectalk. The = sound card I am currently using is a SoundBlaster live with the standard = drivers as shipped with Fedora, but I also experienced the problem while = using my mainboard's integrated via chipset ac97 with oss drivers. I am working to enable Braille support as well, and once I do, it will = be interesting to see if I am just losing speech and still have Braille = output, or whether the program is crashing altogether. =20 I am a relative newbie to Linux, so if there is more pertinent = troubleshooting info that I might provide, please let me know what it is = and how to obtain it and I would be happy to do so. Thanks in advance for any thoughts. --Al ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C3BA98.55422760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Everyone,
 
I am experimenting with Gnopernicus = 0.7.1 on a=20 system running fedora, and am noticing that after a few minutes of use, = usually=20 anywhere between 5 to 10 minutes, I am losing speech.  When this = happens,=20 the only way I have found to restore functionality is to reboot.  I = haven't=20 been able to come up with any reproducible factors other than that. it = has=20 happened to me while scrolling through the start menu, working in Balsa = or even=20 just when tabbing through the controls of the Gnopernicus main = window. =20
The problem has occurred  with = Festival as=20 well as with Dectalk.  The sound card I am currently using is a=20 SoundBlaster live with the standard drivers as shipped with Fedora, but = I also=20 experienced the problem while using  my mainboard's integrated via = chipset=20 ac97 with oss drivers.
 
I am working to enable Braille support = as well, and=20 once I do, it will be interesting to see if I am just losing = speech and=20 still have Braille output, or whether the program is crashing = altogether. =20
 
I am a relative newbie to Linux, so if = there is=20 more pertinent troubleshooting info that I might provide, please = let me=20 know what it is and how to obtain it and I would be happy to do = so.
 
Thanks in advance for any = thoughts.
 
--Al
 
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C3BA98.55422760-- From michael@ximian.com Fri Dec 5 09:30:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA37918325 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 09:30:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 13594 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 14:30:48 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO linux.local) (michael@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 14:30:48 -0000 Subject: Re: Gnopernicus stops after a few minutes. From: Michael Meeks To: Al Puzzuoli Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <001901c3bac2$3e954ea0$6900a8c0@waren401.mi.comcast.net> References: <001901c3bac2$3e954ea0$6900a8c0@waren401.mi.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Ximian. Message-Id: <1070663803.1690.85.camel@linux.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 22:36:43 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi Al, On Thu, 2003-12-04 at 23:56, Al Puzzuoli wrote: > I am experimenting with Gnopernicus 0.7.1 on a system running fedora, > and am noticing that after a few minutes of use, usually anywhere > between 5 to 10 minutes, I am losing speech. So - it's likely to be a crash somewhere; possibly the speech driver, or srcore. If you have control over how the session is run do: ulimit -c unlimited beforehand; then run gnome-session; and when it stops working you _may_ have a number of core.12356 type files lying around; try working out which app these come from: $ file core.12345 will tell you what file the dump came from and: $ gdb core.12345 backtrace should get us a useful trace for debugging it; I'd tend to only bother reporting bugs against HEAD however since lots of bugs are fixed there. Regards, Michael. -- michael@ximian.com <><, Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot From kd7cyu@yahoo.com Fri Dec 5 16:46:43 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.11.33]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6D46E189CC for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 16:46:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from dsl-10.telebyte.net (HELO tom) (kd7cyu@216.173.216.10 with login) by smtp1.mail.vip.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 21:46:42 -0000 Message-ID: <004b01c3bb79$53d598d0$0200000a@tom> From: "Tom Masterson" To: Subject: gnopernicus and brltty Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:47:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0048_01C3BB36.442CA330" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C3BB36.442CA330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi I seem too have things set up according to the instructions on the = gnopernicus and brltty pages and I can even tell that brltty is running = as a proccess undr the gnome/gnopernicus console however nothing comes = out on my alva when I am in xwindows/gnome. THe cursor just sits in the = upper left corner and nothing show on the display even though I can move = around with it. Does anyone have any ideas what might be the problem? Tom ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C3BB36.442CA330 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi
 
I seem too have things set up according = to the=20 instructions on the gnopernicus and brltty pages and I can even tell = that brltty=20 is running as a proccess undr the gnome/gnopernicus console however = nothing=20 comes out on my alva when I am in xwindows/gnome.  THe cursor just = sits in=20 the upper left corner and nothing show on the display even though I can = move=20 around with it.
 
Does anyone have any ideas what might = be the=20 problem?
 
Tom
------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C3BB36.442CA330-- From mlang@lexx.delysid.org Sat Dec 6 05:37:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from lexx.delysid.org (chello080109223065.lancity.graz.surfer.at [80.109.223.65]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABEC818278 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 05:37:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mlang by lexx.delysid.org with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1ASZoX-0005TH-00; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 11:37:29 +0100 To: "Tom Masterson" Cc: Subject: Re: gnopernicus and brltty From: Mario Lang In-Reply-To: <004b01c3bb79$53d598d0$0200000a@tom> (Tom Masterson's message of "Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:47:04 -0800") References: <004b01c3bb79$53d598d0$0200000a@tom> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 11:37:29 +0100 Message-ID: <873cbyb5au.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi. DId you check if the environment variable CONTROLVT is correctly set (on most systems, it would be set to 7). Another possibility is the key file, is it readable with the user that starts gnome? "Tom Masterson" writes: > I seem too have things set up according to the instructions on the gnopernicus and brltty pages and I can even tell that brltty is running as a proccess undr the gnome/gnopernicus console however nothing comes out on my alva when I am in xwindows/gnome. THe cursor just sits in the upper left corner and nothing show on the display even though I can move around with it. > > Does anyone have any ideas what might be the problem? > > Tom -- CYa, Mario | Debian Developer | Get my public key via finger mlang@db.debian.org | 1024D/7FC1A0854909BCCDBE6C102DDFFC022A6B113E44 From alpuzz@comcast.net Sat Dec 6 23:22:44 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 966541833B for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 23:22:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from tecra8100 (bgp01091460bgs.waren401.mi.comcast.net[68.43.185.118]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20031207042237016001jqu0e>; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 04:22:37 +0000 Message-ID: <001a01c3bc7a$19c3cc00$6900a8c0@waren401.mi.comcast.net> From: "Al Puzzuoli" To: Subject: Building Gnopernicus from cvs? Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 23:25:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01C3BC50.307FE700" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C3BC50.307FE700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I am attempting to build the cvs version of Gnopernicus in hopes that = it will resolve my crashing issue. I am apparently missing a step. I = am using a standard installation of Fedora core. When I attempt to run = ./autogen.sh I get the following: "You need to install the gnome-common modual and make sure the = gnome-autogen.sh script is in your path". Any info as to how to proceed would be great. Thanks, ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C3BC50.307FE700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
 
I am attempting to build  the cvs = version of=20 Gnopernicus in hopes that it will resolve my crashing issue.  I am=20 apparently missing a step.  I am using a standard installation of = Fedora=20 core.  When I attempt to run ./autogen.sh I get the = following:
 
"You need to install the gnome-common = modual and=20 make sure the gnome-autogen.sh script is in your path".
 
Any info as to how to proceed would be=20 great.
 
Thanks,
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C3BC50.307FE700-- From malcolm@commsecure.com.au Sun Dec 7 00:06:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from commsecure.com.au (CommSecureAustPtyLtd.sb1.optus.net.au [203.202.148.106]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CD3018198 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 00:06:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from sunhill.commsecure.com.au (sunhill.commsecure.com.au [172.16.15.1]) by commsecure.com.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hB756Y724486 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 16:06:34 +1100 Received: from [172.16.14.3] (dialin-03.commsecure.com.au [172.16.14.3]) by sunhill.commsecure.com.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hB756be19095 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 16:06:37 +1100 Subject: Re: Building Gnopernicus from cvs? From: Malcolm Tredinnick To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <001a01c3bc7a$19c3cc00$6900a8c0@waren401.mi.comcast.net> References: <001a01c3bc7a$19c3cc00$6900a8c0@waren401.mi.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1070773602.3186.14.camel@quirm.tredinnick.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 (1.4.5-7) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 16:06:43 +1100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sun, 2003-12-07 at 15:25, Al Puzzuoli wrote: > Hi all, > > I am attempting to build the cvs version of Gnopernicus in hopes that > it will resolve my crashing issue. I am apparently missing a step. I > am using a standard installation of Fedora core. When I attempt to > run ./autogen.sh I get the following: > > "You need to install the gnome-common modual and make sure the > gnome-autogen.sh script is in your path". > > Any info as to how to proceed would be great. At the risk of repeating the error message, you need to install the gnome-common module. You can either download it from GNOME CVS or get a tarball from http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/gnome-common/2.4/ This module contains a bunch of common m4 macros and some build scripts (like a standard autogen.sh) so that packages don't all have to ship duplicate copies and so that we can fix bugs in one location and have them filter out to all packages that use this module. Malcolm From kd7cyu@yahoo.com Sun Dec 7 12:21:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.11.34]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C2BC618BD9 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 12:21:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown (HELO tom) (kd7cyu@216.173.216.10 with login) by smtp003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2003 17:21:16 -0000 Message-ID: <001d01c3bce6$8b16e7e0$0200000a@tom> From: "Tom Masterson" To: "Mario Lang" Cc: References: <004b01c3bb79$53d598d0$0200000a@tom> <873cbyb5au.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> Subject: Re: gnopernicus and brltty Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 09:21:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi Well the key file is readable by anyone and setting the environment variable did not help. I do still get one error on boot up which reads "unable too find /var/run/brltty.pid". This may not be an exact quote but it is close enough. I have not considered this serious but... Any more ideas as too what might be the reason for it not working with gnopernicus. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mario Lang" To: "Tom Masterson" Cc: Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 02:37 Subject: Re: gnopernicus and brltty > Hi. > > DId you check if the environment variable CONTROLVT is correctly > set (on most systems, it would be set to 7). > > Another possibility is the key file, is it readable with the user that > starts gnome? > > "Tom Masterson" writes: > > > I seem too have things set up according to the instructions on the gnopernicus and brltty pages and I can even tell that brltty is running as a proccess undr the gnome/gnopernicus console however nothing comes out on my alva when I am in xwindows/gnome. THe cursor just sits in the upper left corner and nothing show on the display even though I can move around with it. > > > > Does anyone have any ideas what might be the problem? > > > > Tom > > -- > CYa, > Mario | Debian Developer > | Get my public key via finger mlang@db.debian.org > | 1024D/7FC1A0854909BCCDBE6C102DDFFC022A6B113E44 > From jschmude@adelphia.net Mon Dec 8 06:11:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from mta11.adelphia.net (mta11.adelphia.net [68.168.78.205]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2061C180FA for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 06:11:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from beavis ([24.49.58.24]) by mta11.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031208111202.DQUS13090.mta11.adelphia.net@beavis> for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 06:12:02 -0500 Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.1.20031207201604.01bbf920@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: jschmude@mail.adelphia.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 20:18:26 -0500 To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org From: Jacob Schmude Subject: accessible GDM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 12/5/2003), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi guys I'm trying to make GDM talk. I've gone back into the archives and have added the gtkmodules to gdm.conf. I then edited the accesskey config file and put my entry for gnopernicus in there. NOw, when I press the key (ctrl+n) gnopernicus starts, but I don't get any speech. I can tell its running by logging into a text console and looking at the processes, but it just doesn't say anything. Anyone gotten this to work successfully? What am I missing here? From Brian.Cameron@Sun.COM Mon Dec 8 09:17:58 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (nwkea-mail-1.sun.com [192.18.42.13]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E95218448 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 09:17:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from phys-ita01-1 ([129.153.224.1]) by nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hB8EHvUP012967 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 06:17:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from Sun.COM (sr-edub03-03.Ireland.Sun.COM [129.156.220.17]) by ita01-mail1.central.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HPK00BEQY1Q7A@ita01-mail1.central.sun.com> for gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 08:10:40 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 14:10:37 +0000 From: Brian Cameron Subject: Re: accessible GDM To: Jacob Schmude Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Reply-To: Brian.Cameron@Sun.COM Message-id: <3FD4865D.1070803@Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS sun4u; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020920 Netscape/7.0 References: <6.0.1.1.1.20031207201604.01bbf920@127.0.0.1> Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Jacob: > I'm trying to make GDM talk. I've gone back into the archives and have > added the gtkmodules to gdm.conf. I then edited the accesskey config > file and put my entry for gnopernicus in there. NOw, when I press the > key (ctrl+n) gnopernicus starts, but I don't get any speech. I can tell > its running by logging into a text console and looking at the processes, > but it just doesn't say anything. Anyone gotten this to work > successfully? What am I missing here? gdm and gnopernicus do not yet play well together. The problem you describe with text-to-speech not working is a known problem. The issues are documented in the following bug: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122459 I haven't yet had time to look into what is causing the problem. It could be something as simple as the gdm user not having proper permissions to /dev/audio. Brian From anders@noddle.net Mon Dec 8 18:56:15 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from duck.marlowes.com (duck.marlowes.com [195.67.103.24]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA73318433 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 18:56:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.16.2.13] (h58n2fls31o824.telia.com [212.181.205.58]) (authenticated bits=0) by duck.marlowes.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hB8NrVwQ006361 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 00:53:31 +0100 Subject: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters From: Anders Karlsson To: gnome-accessibility-list Content-Type: text/plain; charset= Message-Id: <1070927767.6941.13.camel@balder.home.noddle.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 (1.4.5-7) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 00:56:07 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi I have noticed that the Swedish characters åäö ÅÄÖ does not display the right way on my daughters braille display. For the moment she is using an BRAILLEX ELba, but it's the same problem as on her old Tieman CombiBraille. When using Swedish translation table all those characters above is dot 8 (i believe it's 8, the bottom right?). If i switch to German translation table i get some caracters but not the right one's. Does anybody have a hint how i correct this problem? Best regards /Anders -- Anders Karlsson From jasonjgw@pacific.net.au Mon Dec 8 21:25:09 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from snoopy.pacific.net.au (snoopy.pacific.net.au [61.8.0.36]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F4C618129 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 21:25:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mongrel.pacific.net.au (mongrel.pacific.net.au [61.8.0.107]) by snoopy.pacific.net.au (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id hB92P2no030628; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:25:02 +1100 Received: from jdc.local (dyn172.mel2.homedsl.pacific.net.au [203.100.245.172]) by mongrel.pacific.net.au (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id hB92Otxs020550; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:25:01 +1100 Received: from jdc.local (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jdc.local (8.12.10/8.12.10/Debian-5) with ESMTP id hB92OtX5000971; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:24:55 +1100 Received: (from jason@localhost) by jdc.local (8.12.10/8.12.10/Debian-5) id hB92Ot4O000964; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:24:55 +1100 From: Jason White MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <16341.12919.174790.662104@jdc.local> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:24:55 +1100 To: Anders Karlsson Cc: gnome-accessibility-list Subject: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters In-Reply-To: <1070927767.6941.13.camel@balder.home.noddle.net> References: <1070927767.6941.13.camel@balder.home.noddle.net> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under Emacs 21.3.1 Reply-To: jasonw@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Anders Karlsson writes: >=20 > I have noticed that the Swedish characters =C3=A5=C3=A4=C3=B6 =C3=1B= ,TC=C3=96=1B(B does not display the > right way on my daughters braille display.=20 The solution is to write a Swedish character table. First, find out what the correct braille representations are for all of the characters that occur in Swedish text (letters, accented letters, numerals, punctuation), then write a correct table which can be contributed to BrlTTY and Gnopernicus for inclusion in a subsequent release. You may find it easier to modify an existing table, but be sure that, in the end, all of the characters conform to Swedish computer braille standards, whatever those are. From mlang@lexx.delysid.org Tue Dec 9 05:21:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from lexx.delysid.org (chello080109223065.lancity.graz.surfer.at [80.109.223.65]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BA0A1870D for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 05:21:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mlang by lexx.delysid.org with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1ATez0-0003Er-00; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 11:20:46 +0100 To: jasonw@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au Cc: Anders Karlsson , gnome-accessibility-list Subject: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters From: Mario Lang In-Reply-To: <16341.12919.174790.662104@jdc.local> (Jason White's message of "Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:24:55 +1100") References: <1070927767.6941.13.camel@balder.home.noddle.net> <16341.12919.174790.662104@jdc.local> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 11:20:46 +0100 Message-ID: <874qwa47i9.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Jason White writes: > Anders Karlsson writes: > >=20 > > I have noticed that the Swedish characters =C3=83=C2=A5=C3=83=C2=A4=C3= =83=C2=B6 =C3=83=1B,TC=C3=83=C2=96=1B(B does not display the > > right way on my daughters braille display.=20 > > The solution is to write a Swedish character table. First, find out > what the correct braille representations are for all of the characters > that occur in Swedish text (letters, accented letters, numerals, > punctuation), then write a correct table which can be contributed to > BrlTTY and Gnopernicus for inclusion in a subsequent release. BRLTTY does already have two swedish text translation tables. --=20 CYa, Mario | Debian Developer | Get my public key via finger mlang@db.debian.org | 1024D/7FC1A0854909BCCDBE6C102DDFFC022A6B113E44 From anders@noddle.net Tue Dec 9 05:24:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from duck.marlowes.com (duck.marlowes.com [195.67.103.24]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 023D818424 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 05:24:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.16.2.13] (h58n2fls31o824.telia.com [212.181.205.58]) (authenticated bits=0) by duck.marlowes.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hB9ALxwQ026624; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 11:21:59 +0100 Subject: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters From: Anders Karlsson To: Mario Lang Cc: gnome-accessibility-list In-Reply-To: <874qwa47i9.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> References: <1070927767.6941.13.camel@balder.home.noddle.net> <16341.12919.174790.662104@jdc.local> <874qwa47i9.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset= Message-Id: <1070965481.1529.32.camel@balder.home.noddle.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 (1.4.5-7) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 11:24:42 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi. So, if thats the solution, where do i find editable verions of the gnopernicus tables? As far as i can understand they are in binary format in the gnopernicus source. I did forget to mention, that when running BRLTTY from text-mode the characters are displayed correctly, so i belive the problem is in gnopernicus. /Anders On Tue, 2003-12-09 at 11:20, Mario Lang wrote: > Jason White writes: > > > Anders Karlsson writes: > > > > > > I have noticed that the Swedish characters åäö Ã,TCÖ(B does not display the > > > right way on my daughters braille display. > > > > The solution is to write a Swedish character table. First, find out > > what the correct braille representations are for all of the characters > > that occur in Swedish text (letters, accented letters, numerals, > > punctuation), then write a correct table which can be contributed to > > BrlTTY and Gnopernicus for inclusion in a subsequent release. > > BRLTTY does already have two swedish text translation tables. From deedra@dmwaters.us Tue Dec 9 14:03:24 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.64]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FB9B18170 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:03:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from simba ([68.212.8.108]) by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031209190323.LNAX1876.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@simba> for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:03:23 -0500 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:02:47 -0600 (CST) From: Deedra Waters X-X-Sender: dmwaters@simba To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I posted some of theese questions before, but never got an answer, so will post again. I'm having trouble getting gnome to reat the text in things like mozilla. it tells me that there is a block of text, but it does not read the actual text. is there a way to make it read this text? Also, I just did a fresh install of gnome/gnopernicus etc, but I'm having trouble finding what I'd call the equivelent of the start menu. Is there some shortcut key for this? I seem to be basically confined to the desktop and gnopernicus windows, and can't get to any other programs. If someone could please give me some ideas on how to dealwith theese, I could greatly appreciate it. - -- Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/1hxdU5AGPOTGNc8RAnt/AKCpifi1PmetZ8OkYsVCv+7QDmlT5ACfXx5O iNbAoLIGAPNLAgQ1AT7j7NM= =NBsc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mlang@lexx.delysid.org Tue Dec 9 15:18:57 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from lexx.delysid.org (chello080109223065.lancity.graz.surfer.at [80.109.223.65]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7096D1814F for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 15:18:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mlang by lexx.delysid.org with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1AToJf-0005om-00; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 21:18:43 +0100 To: Deedra Waters Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome From: Mario Lang In-Reply-To: (Deedra Waters's message of "Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:02:47 -0600 (CST)") References: Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 21:18:43 +0100 Message-ID: <87iskp3fto.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Deedra Waters writes: > I'm having trouble getting gnome to reat the text in things like mozilla. it > tells me that there is a block of text, but it does not read the actual text. > is there a way to make it read this text? I'm afraid for now, you have to use flat review mode to access multiline text. Except where the field supports a cursor, then you can navigate using that. > Also, I just did a fresh install of gnome/gnopernicus etc, but I'm having > trouble finding what I'd call the equivelent of the start menu. Is there some > shortcut key for this? I seem to be basically confined to the desktop and > gnopernicus windows, and can't get to any other programs. Ctrl-F1 or Alt-F1, forgot which, and dont have a running X right now to test. Alt-F2 might also proove to be helpful, which can be used to launch apps by executable name. However, you should really read the GNOME Accessibility Guide, especially the keyboard navigation section. -- CYa, Mario | Debian Developer | Get my public key via finger mlang@db.debian.org | 1024D/7FC1A0854909BCCDBE6C102DDFFC022A6B113E44 From Bill.Haneman@Sun.COM Tue Dec 9 17:04:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5753818DE9 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 17:04:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from phys-eris-1 ([129.156.85.25]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hB9M4BPh020046 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 15:04:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from sun.com (dbl-isdn-101.Ireland.Sun.COM [129.156.227.101]) by eris-mail1.uk.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HPN003QIEMYM6@eris-mail1.uk.sun.com> for gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 22:04:11 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 22:04:13 +0000 From: Bill Haneman Subject: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters In-reply-to: <20031209170011.30613.30646.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Message-id: <3FD646DD.50705@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20031103 References: <20031209170011.30613.30646.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Anders wrote: >Hi > >I have noticed that the Swedish characters åäö ÅÄÖ does not display the >right way on my daughters braille display. > Anders/all: can you forward some web pointers to documentation about non-english (for instance, swedish) and _especially_ non-latin braille encoding? We and the BAUM team are currently discussing a general-purpose architecture for braille output that could handle the general case of unicode input. There are a number of issues that arise, but in order to design intelligently we need to gather information on the available braille encodings out there. It's already clear that there won't be a one-to-one mapping between POSIX locales and braille encodings, and there won't be one-to-one mappings for particular unicode 'code pages' either (there isn't even that for English ;-) regards Bill >For the moment she is using an BRAILLEX ELba, but it's the same problem >as on her old Tieman CombiBraille. >When using Swedish translation table all those characters above is dot 8 >(i believe it's 8, the bottom right?). If i switch to German translation >table i get some caracters but not the right one's. >Does anybody have a hint how i correct this problem? > >Best regards > >/Anders > > > From jasonw@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au Tue Dec 9 18:21:26 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.20.3]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ACEC18681 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 18:21:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hB9NLN22015283 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:21:23 +1100 (EST) Received: from localhost (jasonw@localhost) by ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (8.12.10/8.12.3) with ESMTP id hB9NLN5Q015279 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:21:23 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:21:23 +1100 (EST) From: Jason White To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters In-Reply-To: <3FD646DD.50705@sun.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Am I correct in assuming that the BrlTTY tables are mapped to ISO 8859-1? If so, what is Gnopernicus producing when it sends output to BrlTTY? I agree that a general architecture for braille character output is desirable. If Gnopernicus is sending Unicode (most likely UTF8) encoding, this could be the source of the mismatch with BrlTTY. From tward1978@earthlink.net Tue Dec 9 19:25:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net (cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.226]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC09418406 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 19:25:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdn-ap-030ilchicp0286.dialsprint.net ([65.178.179.32] helo=noneflzmskjmuf) by cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1ATsAV-0001wM-00; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 16:25:31 -0800 Message-ID: <006301c3beb4$261ad7f0$20b3b241@noneflzmskjmuf> From: "Tom and Esther Ward" To: "Deedra Waters" Cc: References: Subject: Re: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 19:25:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi. Under Gnome there is the main panel menu which is almost like the start menu under windows. There is two ways of opening this menu. To access this menu via the keyboard press alt+f1. You can also tab to the main panel menu button while the main panel has focus and press space bar on the button to activate it. To quickly launch applications via the run dialog use alt+f2. As for reading blocks of text that are dificult to read you must use flat review mode. Note, flat review is broken under gnopernicus 0.7 and 0.7.1. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deedra Waters" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 2:02 PM Subject: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I posted some of theese questions before, but never got an answer, so will post > again. > I'm having trouble getting gnome to reat the text in things like mozilla. it > tells me that there is a block of text, but it does not read the actual text. > is there a way to make it read this text? > > Also, I just did a fresh install of gnome/gnopernicus etc, but I'm having > trouble finding what I'd call the equivelent of the start menu. Is there some > shortcut key for this? I seem to be basically confined to the desktop and > gnopernicus windows, and can't get to any other programs. > > If someone could please give me some ideas on how to dealwith theese, I could > greatly appreciate it. > > > - -- > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE/1hxdU5AGPOTGNc8RAnt/AKCpifi1PmetZ8OkYsVCv+7QDmlT5ACfXx5O > iNbAoLIGAPNLAgQ1AT7j7NM= > =NBsc > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > From deedra@dmwaters.us Tue Dec 9 19:59:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.67]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBEDF18C75 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 19:59:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from simba ([68.212.8.108]) by imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031210005931.BKBO1942.imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net@simba>; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 19:59:31 -0500 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 18:58:54 -0600 (CST) From: Deedra Waters X-X-Sender: dmwaters@simba To: Tom and Esther Ward Cc: Deedra Waters , gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome In-Reply-To: <006301c3beb4$261ad7f0$20b3b241@noneflzmskjmuf> Message-ID: References: <006301c3beb4$261ad7f0$20b3b241@noneflzmskjmuf> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hmm, does cvs gnopernicus have a fix for the flat review thing? not being able to read blocks of text makes my life pretty dificult, especially when I want to look at webpages, (assuming I can get mozilla to behave in this install) Also, is there some setting I need to enable to make mozilla work better with accessibility? I seem to be having some slight trouble with it this time around. I'm also curious as to what email and office clients might be the most accessible with gnopernicus. Thanks! On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Tom and Esther Ward wrote: > Hi. > Under Gnome there is the main panel menu which is almost like the start menu > under windows. There is two ways of opening this menu. > To access this menu via the keyboard press alt+f1. You can also tab to the > main panel menu button while the main panel has focus and press space bar on > the button to activate it. > To quickly launch applications via the run dialog use alt+f2. > As for reading blocks of text that are dificult to read you must use flat > review mode. Note, flat review is broken under gnopernicus 0.7 and 0.7.1. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Deedra Waters" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 2:02 PM > Subject: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > I posted some of theese questions before, but never got an answer, so will > post > > again. > > I'm having trouble getting gnome to reat the text in things like mozilla. > it > > tells me that there is a block of text, but it does not read the actual > text. > > is there a way to make it read this text? > > > > Also, I just did a fresh install of gnome/gnopernicus etc, but I'm having > > trouble finding what I'd call the equivelent of the start menu. Is there > some > > shortcut key for this? I seem to be basically confined to the desktop and > > gnopernicus windows, and can't get to any other programs. > > > > If someone could please give me some ideas on how to dealwith theese, I > could > > greatly appreciate it. > > > > > > - -- > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQE/1hxdU5AGPOTGNc8RAnt/AKCpifi1PmetZ8OkYsVCv+7QDmlT5ACfXx5O > > iNbAoLIGAPNLAgQ1AT7j7NM= > > =NBsc > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > - -- Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/1m/VU5AGPOTGNc8RAp1GAKCJGZKhXV46BSeQ2DNYvv9TuSwsLQCgjc4d bUyJ2WOYu0V/kXzBv2QV3kM= =xL0U -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tward1978@earthlink.net Tue Dec 9 21:04:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFCB818E8C for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 21:04:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdn-ap-025ilchicp0185.dialsprint.net ([65.178.128.185] helo=noneflzmskjmuf) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1ATthn-00033s-00; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 18:04:00 -0800 Message-ID: <005c01c3bec1$e2ad7550$b980b241@noneflzmskjmuf> From: "Tom and Esther Ward" To: "Deedra Waters" Cc: References: <006301c3beb4$261ad7f0$20b3b241@noneflzmskjmuf> Subject: Re: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 21:04:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi. The only office packages that work with gnopernicus is Openoffice v1.1 and Staroffice 7.0. In order to get these office applications to work with speech you must have the j2sdk 1.4.2, the gnome java-access-bridge compiled and installed from cvs, and all the proper orbitrc entries in your .orbitrc file. Mozilla is still a trouble spot for me as well. I myself don't get much accessibility from it yet, and I have not completely found the most accessible setup for Mozilla myself. As for email that also has some problems. Balsa is accessible, but it seams several of us have troubles getting smtp working in balsa. If you can get passed the smtp problems balsa might be your best choice. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deedra Waters" To: "Tom and Esther Ward" Cc: "Deedra Waters" ; Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 7:58 PM Subject: Re: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hmm, does cvs gnopernicus have a fix for the flat review thing? not being able to read blocks of text makes my life pretty dificult, especially when I want to look at webpages, (assuming I can get mozilla to behave in this install) > > Also, is there some setting I need to enable to make mozilla work better with accessibility? I seem to be having some slight trouble with it this time around. > > I'm also curious as to what email and office clients might be the most accessible with gnopernicus. > > Thanks! > > On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Tom and Esther Ward wrote: > > > Hi. > > Under Gnome there is the main panel menu which is almost like the start menu > > under windows. There is two ways of opening this menu. > > To access this menu via the keyboard press alt+f1. You can also tab to the > > main panel menu button while the main panel has focus and press space bar on > > the button to activate it. > > To quickly launch applications via the run dialog use alt+f2. > > As for reading blocks of text that are dificult to read you must use flat > > review mode. Note, flat review is broken under gnopernicus 0.7 and 0.7.1. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Deedra Waters" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 2:02 PM > > Subject: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > I posted some of theese questions before, but never got an answer, so will > > post > > > again. > > > I'm having trouble getting gnome to reat the text in things like mozilla. > > it > > > tells me that there is a block of text, but it does not read the actual > > text. > > > is there a way to make it read this text? > > > > > > Also, I just did a fresh install of gnome/gnopernicus etc, but I'm having > > > trouble finding what I'd call the equivelent of the start menu. Is there > > some > > > shortcut key for this? I seem to be basically confined to the desktop and > > > gnopernicus windows, and can't get to any other programs. > > > > > > If someone could please give me some ideas on how to dealwith theese, I > > could > > > greatly appreciate it. > > > > > > > > > - -- > > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > iD8DBQE/1hxdU5AGPOTGNc8RAnt/AKCpifi1PmetZ8OkYsVCv+7QDmlT5ACfXx5O > > > iNbAoLIGAPNLAgQ1AT7j7NM= > > > =NBsc > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > > > > > > - -- > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE/1m/VU5AGPOTGNc8RAp1GAKCJGZKhXV46BSeQ2DNYvv9TuSwsLQCgjc4d > bUyJ2WOYu0V/kXzBv2QV3kM= > =xL0U > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From deedra@dmwaters.us Tue Dec 9 22:12:24 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.71]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E732181CF for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:12:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from simba ([68.212.8.108]) by imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031210031223.ZPRW29800.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@simba>; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:12:23 -0500 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 21:11:51 -0600 (CST) From: Deedra Waters X-X-Sender: dmwaters@simba To: Tom and Esther Ward Cc: Deedra Waters , gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome In-Reply-To: <005c01c3bec1$e2ad7550$b980b241@noneflzmskjmuf> Message-ID: References: <006301c3beb4$261ad7f0$20b3b241@noneflzmskjmuf> <005c01c3bec1$e2ad7550$b980b241@noneflzmskjmuf> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hrmm,I seem to be having some serious trouble with the website to get the j2sdk stuff. Is there an alternative site or something that I can get this package with out running in circles and not getting anywhere? It appears as if this site is using java script, which is making it so that those who use lynx can't exactly get it. For example, once I get through the license agreement, I can't figure out where to go from there at all. On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Tom and Esther Ward wrote: > Hi. > The only office packages that work with gnopernicus is Openoffice v1.1 and > Staroffice 7.0. > In order to get these office applications to work with speech you must have > the j2sdk 1.4.2, the gnome java-access-bridge compiled and installed from > cvs, and all the proper orbitrc entries in your .orbitrc file. > Mozilla is still a trouble spot for me as well. I myself don't get much > accessibility from it yet, and I have not completely found the most > accessible setup for Mozilla myself. > As for email that also has some problems. Balsa is accessible, but it seams > several of us have troubles getting smtp working in balsa. > If you can get passed the smtp problems balsa might be your best choice. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Deedra Waters" > To: "Tom and Esther Ward" > Cc: "Deedra Waters" ; > > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 7:58 PM > Subject: Re: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Hmm, does cvs gnopernicus have a fix for the flat review thing? not being > able to read blocks of text makes my life pretty dificult, especially when I > want to look at webpages, (assuming I can get mozilla to behave in this > install) > > > > Also, is there some setting I need to enable to make mozilla work better > with accessibility? I seem to be having some slight trouble with it this > time around. > > > > I'm also curious as to what email and office clients might be the most > accessible with gnopernicus. > > > > Thanks! > > > > On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Tom and Esther Ward wrote: > > > > > Hi. > > > Under Gnome there is the main panel menu which is almost like the start > menu > > > under windows. There is two ways of opening this menu. > > > To access this menu via the keyboard press alt+f1. You can also tab to > the > > > main panel menu button while the main panel has focus and press space > bar on > > > the button to activate it. > > > To quickly launch applications via the run dialog use alt+f2. > > > As for reading blocks of text that are dificult to read you must use > flat > > > review mode. Note, flat review is broken under gnopernicus 0.7 and > 0.7.1. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Deedra Waters" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 2:02 PM > > > Subject: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome > > > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > > I posted some of theese questions before, but never got an answer, so > will > > > post > > > > again. > > > > I'm having trouble getting gnome to reat the text in things like > mozilla. > > > it > > > > tells me that there is a block of text, but it does not read the > actual > > > text. > > > > is there a way to make it read this text? > > > > > > > > Also, I just did a fresh install of gnome/gnopernicus etc, but I'm > having > > > > trouble finding what I'd call the equivelent of the start menu. Is > there > > > some > > > > shortcut key for this? I seem to be basically confined to the desktop > and > > > > gnopernicus windows, and can't get to any other programs. > > > > > > > > If someone could please give me some ideas on how to dealwith theese, > I > > > could > > > > greatly appreciate it. > > > > > > > > > > > > - -- > > > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > > > iD8DBQE/1hxdU5AGPOTGNc8RAnt/AKCpifi1PmetZ8OkYsVCv+7QDmlT5ACfXx5O > > > > iNbAoLIGAPNLAgQ1AT7j7NM= > > > > =NBsc > > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - -- > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQE/1m/VU5AGPOTGNc8RAp1GAKCJGZKhXV46BSeQ2DNYvv9TuSwsLQCgjc4d > > bUyJ2WOYu0V/kXzBv2QV3kM= > > =xL0U > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > - -- Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/1o79U5AGPOTGNc8RAggzAKCM82bxas9HE3JwqeK1tGxR/fzHHgCfVZkT 0s2HMeitR2SYvEmOf7Wdheg= =YdTY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mike.pedersen@sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 9 22:22:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.84]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 94473181CF for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:22:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown (HELO mpedersenpc) (mike.pedersen@sbcglobal.net@64.167.99.224 with login) by smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 03:22:28 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Mike Pedersen" To: "'Deedra Waters'" , "'Tom and Esther Ward'" Cc: Subject: RE: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 19:22:49 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c3becc$e48f53b0$0500a8c0@mpedersenpc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: You might try www.blackdown.org. That used to be another source before = it was easy to get from Sun. =20 regards Mike Pedersen=20 -----Original Message----- From: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org [mailto:gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org] On Behalf Of Deedra = Waters Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 7:12 PM To: Tom and Esther Ward Cc: Deedra Waters; gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hrmm,I seem to be having some serious trouble with the website to get = the j2sdk stuff. Is there an alternative site or something that I can get = this package with out running in circles and not getting anywhere? It appears = as if this site is using java script, which is making it so that those who = use lynx can't exactly get it. For example, once I get through the license agreement, I can't figure out where to go from there at all. On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Tom and Esther Ward wrote: > Hi. > The only office packages that work with gnopernicus is Openoffice v1.1 = > and Staroffice 7.0. In order to get these office applications to work=20 > with speech you must have the j2sdk 1.4.2, the gnome=20 > java-access-bridge compiled and installed from cvs, and all the=20 > proper orbitrc entries in your .orbitrc file. Mozilla is still a=20 > trouble spot for me as well. I myself don't get much accessibility=20 > from it yet, and I have not completely found the most accessible=20 > setup for Mozilla myself. As for email that also has some problems.=20 > Balsa is accessible, but it seams several of us have troubles getting=20 > smtp working in balsa. If you can get passed the smtp problems balsa=20 > might be your best choice. >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Deedra Waters" > To: "Tom and Esther Ward" > Cc: "Deedra Waters" ;=20 > > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 7:58 PM > Subject: Re: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome >=20 >=20 > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Hmm, does cvs gnopernicus have a fix for the flat review thing? not=20 > > being > able to read blocks of text makes my life pretty dificult, especially=20 > when I want to look at webpages, (assuming I can get mozilla to=20 > behave in this > install) > > > > Also, is there some setting I need to enable to make mozilla work=20 > > better > with accessibility? I seem to be having some slight trouble with it=20 > this time around. > > > > I'm also curious as to what email and office clients might be the=20 > > most > accessible with gnopernicus. > > > > Thanks! > > > > On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Tom and Esther Ward wrote: > > > > > Hi. > > > Under Gnome there is the main panel menu which is almost like the=20 > > > start > menu > > > under windows. There is two ways of opening this menu. To access=20 > > > this menu via the keyboard press alt+f1. You can also tab to > the > > > main panel menu button while the main panel has focus and press=20 > > > space > bar on > > > the button to activate it. > > > To quickly launch applications via the run dialog use alt+f2. As=20 > > > for reading blocks of text that are dificult to read you must use > flat > > > review mode. Note, flat review is broken under gnopernicus 0.7 and > 0.7.1. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Deedra Waters" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 2:02 PM > > > Subject: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome > > > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > > I posted some of theese questions before, but never got an=20 > > > > answer, so > will > > > post > > > > again. > > > > I'm having trouble getting gnome to reat the text in things like > mozilla. > > > it > > > > tells me that there is a block of text, but it does not read the > actual > > > text. > > > > is there a way to make it read this text? > > > > > > > > Also, I just did a fresh install of gnome/gnopernicus etc, but=20 > > > > I'm > having > > > > trouble finding what I'd call the equivelent of the start menu.=20 > > > > Is > there > > > some > > > > shortcut key for this? I seem to be basically confined to the=20 > > > > desktop > and > > > > gnopernicus windows, and can't get to any other programs. > > > > > > > > If someone could please give me some ideas on how to dealwith=20 > > > > theese, > I > > > could > > > > greatly appreciate it. > > > > > > > > > > > > - -- > > > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net ,=20 > > > > http://www.freenode.net > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > > > iD8DBQE/1hxdU5AGPOTGNc8RAnt/AKCpifi1PmetZ8OkYsVCv+7QDmlT5ACfXx5O > > > > iNbAoLIGAPNLAgQ1AT7j7NM=3D > > > > =3DNBsc > > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----=20 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list=20 > > > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - -- > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net ,=20 > > http://www.freenode.net > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQE/1m/VU5AGPOTGNc8RAp1GAKCJGZKhXV46BSeQ2DNYvv9TuSwsLQCgjc4d > > bUyJ2WOYu0V/kXzBv2QV3kM=3D > > =3DxL0U > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >=20 >=20 - --=20 Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/1o79U5AGPOTGNc8RAggzAKCM82bxas9HE3JwqeK1tGxR/fzHHgCfVZkT 0s2HMeitR2SYvEmOf7Wdheg=3D =3DYdTY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- = _______________________________________________ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list From dave@mielke.cc Tue Dec 9 22:41:47 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from mielke.cc (unknown [24.157.218.227]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 225601870A for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:41:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.private.mielke.cc (alpha.private.mielke.cc [192.168.0.2]) by mielke.cc (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBA3fcr31689; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:41:39 -0500 Received: from alpha.private.mielke.cc (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpha.private.mielke.cc (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBA3fbP6016357; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:41:38 -0500 Received: (from dave@localhost) by alpha.private.mielke.cc (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBA3faJf016355; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:41:37 -0500 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:41:36 -0500 From: Dave Mielke To: Jason White Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters Message-ID: <20031210034136.GN20138@alpha.private.mielke.cc> References: <3FD646DD.50705@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: [quoted lines by Jason White on 2003/12/10 at 10:21 +1100] >Am I correct in assuming that the BrlTTY tables are mapped to ISO 8859-1? Almost. Some are based on other character sets. In general, the current practice is to base the table for any given language on the character set which is typically used by users of that language. The Polsih table, for example, is based on ISO-8859-2. This will all be changing shortly when BRLTTY becomes Unicode-based. At that time, all of its tables will become Unicode-based as well. >If so, what is Gnopernicus producing when it sends output to BrlTTY? Gnopernicus, at present, sends raw dot patterns to BRLTTY. I'm planning to pursue getting Gnopernicus to send text-based, rather than dot-based, data to BRLTTY soon. -- Dave Mielke | 2213 Fox Crescent | I believe that the Bible is the Phone: 1-613-726-0014 | Ottawa, Ontario | Word of God. Please contact me EMail: dave@mielke.cc | Canada K2A 1H7 | if you're concerned about Hell. http://familyradio.com/ | http://mielke.cc/bible/ From Peter.Korn@Sun.COM Wed Dec 10 01:15:15 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (nwkea-mail-1.sun.com [192.18.42.13]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E9E718216 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 01:15:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from phys-d3-ha21sca-1 ([129.145.155.163]) by nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBA6FDUP010697 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:15:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun.com (vpn-129-150-16-224.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.16.224]) by ha21sca-mail1.sfbay.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HPO007MC1DD53@ha21sca-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> for gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 22:15:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 22:15:12 -0800 From: Peter Korn Subject: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters To: Dave Mielke Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Message-id: <3FD6B9F0.1000406@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 References: <3FD646DD.50705@sun.com> <20031210034136.GN20138@alpha.private.mielke.cc> Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi David, >>If so, what is Gnopernicus producing when it sends output to BrlTTY? > > Gnopernicus, at present, sends raw dot patterns to BRLTTY. I'm planning to > pursue getting Gnopernicus to send text-based, rather than dot-based, data to > BRLTTY soon. Gnopernicus has a variety of non-text dot patterns used to indicate a variety of things. What thoughts do you have on how those could be preserved yet have Gnopernicus send text for the text portions? Also, as Bill noted, we do need to address the problem of Braille table localization for a very wide set of languages (which may be interspersed within a single document, ideally with appropriate language tagging). Do you have any thoughts on where the right place to address that is and how? Regards, Peter Korn Sun Accessibility team From jjig99@yahoo.es Wed Dec 10 04:29:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from mx.once.es (mx.once.es [194.224.11.131]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B36D18EDF for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 04:29:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from omail01.once.org (oncent.once.es [172.24.1.51]) by mx.once.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 603411BF27F; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:43:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from EBCONF (I25833 [10.41.30.10]) by omail01.once.org with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id YSMA4XB6; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:29:35 +0100 Subject: Re: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome From: Juan Ramon Jimenez Garcia Reply-To: jjig99@yahoo.es To: Tom and Esther Ward Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <005c01c3bec1$e2ad7550$b980b241@noneflzmskjmuf> References: <006301c3beb4$261ad7f0$20b3b241@noneflzmskjmuf> <005c01c3bec1$e2ad7550$b980b241@noneflzmskjmuf> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Message-Id: <1071048660.669.19.camel@I25833.once.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:31:00 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi all...... I am beginning to use gnopernicus and i am very interested in being able to accede to a office package like openoffice. I have downloaded j2sdk and I have installed it, but i don't know how to configure it correctly to use with gnopernicus.=20 Now, when i open a document with openoffice, it does not reproduce any sound and braille device doesn't write anything. When i close openoffice, gnopernicus continues ok. I'll be very gratefull if you could explain to me how to make accessible openoffice (or send me a link to read any docs....) Thank you very much in advance Juan Ramon =20 El mi=E9, 10-12-2003 a las 03:04, Tom and Esther Ward escribi=F3: > Hi. > The only office packages that work with gnopernicus is Openoffice v1.1 an= d > Staroffice 7.0. > In order to get these office applications to work with speech you must ha= ve > the j2sdk 1.4.2, the gnome java-access-bridge compiled and installed from > cvs, and all the proper orbitrc entries in your .orbitrc file. > Mozilla is still a trouble spot for me as well. I myself don't get much > accessibility from it yet, and I have not completely found the most > accessible setup for Mozilla myself. > As for email that also has some problems. Balsa is accessible, but it sea= ms > several of us have troubles getting smtp working in balsa. > If you can get passed the smtp problems balsa might be your best choice. >=20 From mlang@lexx.delysid.org Wed Dec 10 05:40:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from lexx.delysid.org (chello080109223065.lancity.graz.surfer.at [80.109.223.65]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED4AE18F15 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 05:40:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mlang by lexx.delysid.org with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1AU1l2-0004Ku-00; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:39:52 +0100 To: Peter Korn Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters From: Mario Lang In-Reply-To: <3FD6B9F0.1000406@sun.com> (Peter Korn's message of "Tue, 09 Dec 2003 22:15:12 -0800") References: <3FD646DD.50705@sun.com> <20031210034136.GN20138@alpha.private.mielke.cc> <3FD6B9F0.1000406@sun.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:39:52 +0100 Message-ID: <87smjtgdmv.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Peter Korn writes: > Hi David, > >>>If so, what is Gnopernicus producing when it sends output to BrlTTY? >> Gnopernicus, at present, sends raw dot patterns to BRLTTY. I'm >> planning to >> pursue getting Gnopernicus to send text-based, rather than dot-based, data to >> BRLTTY soon. > > Gnopernicus has a variety of non-text dot patterns used to indicate a > variety of things. What thoughts do you have on how those could be > preserved yet have Gnopernicus send text for the text portions? We are planning to add the ability to and off and to or on dots via BrlAPI. -- CYa, Mario | Debian Developer | Get my public key via finger mlang@db.debian.org | 1024D/7FC1A0854909BCCDBE6C102DDFFC022A6B113E44 From Bill.Haneman@Sun.COM Wed Dec 10 07:10:12 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (nwkea-mail-1.sun.com [192.18.42.13]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A87D18F71 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 07:10:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from phys-eris-1 ([129.156.85.25]) by nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBACA9UR014811 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 04:10:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun.com (dbl-isdn-103.Ireland.Sun.COM [129.156.227.103]) by eris-mail1.uk.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HPO00KDKHSXZI@eris-mail1.uk.sun.com> for gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:10:09 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:10:12 +0000 From: Bill Haneman Subject: Re: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters In-reply-to: <20031210032302.13288.65335.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Message-id: <3FD70D24.4010406@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20031103 References: <20031210032302.13288.65335.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Jason said: >If Gnopernicus is sending Unicode (most likely UTF8) encoding, this could >be the source of the mismatch with BrlTTY. > GNOME uses UTF-8 throughout. I do not know what gnopernicus is doing with the UTF-8 input before converting to braille dots or characters; it may be that gnopernicus is doing all the dot conversions itself (in which case the issue would be gnopernicus' internal braille tables lacking Swedish support - thus the need for a general architecture). It's also possible that, as you suggest, gnopernicus is failing to convert the UTF-8 into ISO-8859-1 on the output stage. BAUM team, do you have details for us? - Bill From Bill.Haneman@Sun.COM Wed Dec 10 07:14:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (nwkea-mail-1.sun.com [192.18.42.13]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23EB918419 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 07:14:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from phys-eris-1 ([129.156.85.25]) by nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBACELUR016664 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 04:14:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun.com (dbl-isdn-103.Ireland.Sun.COM [129.156.227.103]) by eris-mail1.uk.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HPO00K96HZXZI@eris-mail1.uk.sun.com> for gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:14:21 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:14:25 +0000 From: Bill Haneman Subject: Re: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome In-reply-to: <20031210032302.13288.65335.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Message-id: <3FD70E21.3070403@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20031103 References: <20031210032302.13288.65335.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Deedra said: >Hmm, does cvs gnopernicus have a fix for the flat review thing? not being able to read blocks of text makes my life pretty dificult, especially when I want to look at webpages, (assuming I can get mozilla to behave in this install) > I don't understand quite what you are saying here; the flat review mode of gnopernicus is the "fix", i.e. it allows reading of text that can't be navigated via a cursor. However, Mozilla does support a 'caret' or cursor, if you press F7 (which toggles the feature on and off). I personally don't know how well gnopernicus and the Mozilla-caret browsing get along, but it is certainly worth trying. Documentation for flat-review in gnopernicus can be found at the gnopernicus web site, http://www.baum.ro/gnopernicus.html best regards Bill From Bill.Haneman@Sun.COM Wed Dec 10 07:19:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (nwkea-mail-1.sun.com [192.18.42.13]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24158181E6 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 07:19:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from phys-eris-1 ([129.156.85.25]) by nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBACJRUP018691 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 04:19:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun.com (dbl-isdn-103.Ireland.Sun.COM [129.156.227.103]) by eris-mail1.uk.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HPO00KB5I8EZI@eris-mail1.uk.sun.com> for gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:19:27 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:19:30 +0000 From: Bill Haneman Subject: Re: j2sdk [was some questions about...] In-reply-to: <20031210032302.13288.65335.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Message-id: <3FD70F52.5000102@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20031103 References: <20031210032302.13288.65335.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Someone suggested blackdown.org. I would be cautious about trying them, since the java-access-bridge for GNOME has never been tested with their Java SDK as far as I know. Note that the java-access-bridge for GNOME requires version 1.4.0 or better. I think you'd be keeping the troubles to a minimum if you found a way to get the SDK from the Sun site, perhaps via another browser. - Bill From deedra@dmwaters.us Wed Dec 10 10:16:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.71]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ECCE182E7 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:16:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from simba ([68.212.8.108]) by imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031210151602.GUUN29800.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@simba>; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:16:02 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:15:17 -0600 (CST) From: Deedra Waters X-X-Sender: dmwaters@simba To: Bill Haneman Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome In-Reply-To: <3FD70E21.3070403@sun.com> Message-ID: References: <20031210032302.13288.65335.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> <3FD70E21.3070403@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 It was in response to the message I replied to which said something about flat review mode being broken in the current version of gnopernicus. On Wed, 10 Dec 2003, Bill Haneman wrote: > Deedra said: > > >Hmm, does cvs gnopernicus have a fix for the flat review thing? not being able to read blocks of text makes my life pretty dificult, especially when I want to look at webpages, (assuming I can get mozilla to behave in this install) > > > I don't understand quite what you are saying here; the flat review mode > of gnopernicus is the "fix", i.e. it allows reading of text that can't > be navigated via a cursor. However, Mozilla does support a 'caret' or > cursor, if you press F7 (which toggles the feature on and off). I > personally don't know how well gnopernicus and the Mozilla-caret > browsing get along, but it is certainly worth trying. > > Documentation for flat-review in gnopernicus can be found at the > gnopernicus web site, > http://www.baum.ro/gnopernicus.html > > best regards > > Bill > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > - -- Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/1ziMU5AGPOTGNc8RAq44AJ0SKrtxRypPDvNNYIjCaLzhFtfNzACfVXaz 8vXHGgM0qlPuIOsMlv2V5GM= =sLUe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dave@mielke.cc Wed Dec 10 10:52:20 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from mielke.cc (unknown [24.157.218.227]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0E4218171 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:52:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.private.mielke.cc (alpha.private.mielke.cc [192.168.0.2]) by mielke.cc (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBAFqDr02541; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:52:14 -0500 Received: from alpha.private.mielke.cc (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpha.private.mielke.cc (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBAFqCP6020017; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:52:12 -0500 Received: (from dave@localhost) by alpha.private.mielke.cc (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBAFqBxD020015; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:52:11 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:52:11 -0500 From: Dave Mielke To: Bill Haneman Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters Message-ID: <20031210155211.GO20138@alpha.private.mielke.cc> References: <20031210032302.13288.65335.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> <3FD70D24.4010406@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3FD70D24.4010406@sun.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: [quoted lines by Bill Haneman on 2003/12/10 at 12:10 +0000] >it may be that gnopernicus is doing all the dot conversions itself Yes, it is. >in which case the issue would be gnopernicus' internal braille tables lacking >Swedish support Gnopernicus does offer a Swedish translation table. It appears, however, that that table is incomplete. >It's also possible that, as you suggest, gnopernicus is failing to >convert the UTF-8 into ISO-8859-1 on the output stage. No, that's not the problem. At least at present, BRLTTY is receiving already-constructed braille dot patterns from Gnopernicus. -- Dave Mielke | 2213 Fox Crescent | I believe that the Bible is the Phone: 1-613-726-0014 | Ottawa, Ontario | Word of God. Please contact me EMail: dave@mielke.cc | Canada K2A 1H7 | if you're concerned about Hell. http://familyradio.com/ | http://mielke.cc/bible/ From anders@noddle.net Wed Dec 10 11:17:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from duck.marlowes.com (duck.marlowes.com [195.67.103.24]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1C4C18162 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:17:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.16.2.13] (h58n2fls31o824.telia.com [212.181.205.58]) (authenticated bits=0) by duck.marlowes.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBAGEawQ020310; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:14:36 +0100 Subject: Re: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters From: Anders Karlsson To: Dave Mielke Cc: Bill Haneman , gnome-accessibility-list In-Reply-To: <20031210155211.GO20138@alpha.private.mielke.cc> References: <20031210032302.13288.65335.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> <3FD70D24.4010406@sun.com> <20031210155211.GO20138@alpha.private.mielke.cc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Message-Id: <1071073053.21014.16.camel@balder.home.noddle.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 (1.4.5-7) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:17:33 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi. I don't know if You guys read UTF-8 mails så that You can read the characters, but since nobody has complained yet i suppose so. I've talking to my daughter, an she told me how the characters should be shown on the display. According to her the dots are numbered like this: 14 25 36 78 Then the characters should be like this: å 1+6 Å 1+6+7 ä 3+4+5 Ä 3+4+5+7 ö 2+4+6 Ö 2+4+6+7 Hope this can help when correcting the Swedish table. /Anders -- Anders Karlsson From dave@mielke.cc Thu Dec 11 01:09:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from mielke.cc (unknown [24.157.218.227]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C68D18264 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 01:09:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.private.mielke.cc (alpha.private.mielke.cc [192.168.0.2]) by mielke.cc (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBB69kr06178; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 01:09:47 -0500 Received: from alpha.private.mielke.cc (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpha.private.mielke.cc (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBB69jP6023899; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 01:09:45 -0500 Received: (from dave@localhost) by alpha.private.mielke.cc (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBB69i7D023897; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 01:09:44 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 01:09:44 -0500 From: Dave Mielke To: Peter Korn Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters Message-ID: <20031211060944.GQ20138@alpha.private.mielke.cc> References: <3FD646DD.50705@sun.com> <20031210034136.GN20138@alpha.private.mielke.cc> <3FD6B9F0.1000406@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3FD6B9F0.1000406@sun.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: [quoted lines by Peter Korn on 2003/12/09 at 22:15 -0800] >Gnopernicus has a variety of non-text dot patterns used to indicate a >variety of things. What thoughts do you have on how those could be >preserved yet have Gnopernicus send text for the text portions? We're in the process of enhancing BrlAPI in order to handle a mixtyure of text, highlighted text, and graphics. What we're doing is adding a routine which takes the text to be displayed, an optional mask to be anded for dots which are to be cleared, and an optional mask to be ored for dots which are to be set. This should give maximum flexibility to applications as it handles simple text at one extreme, full "graphics" at the other, and concepts like underlining in the middle. >Also, as >Bill noted, we do need to address the problem of Braille table localization >for a very wide set of languages (which may be interspersed within a single >document, ideally with appropriate language tagging). Do you have any >thoughts on where the right place to address that is and how? This requirement is probably best handled by Gnopernicus doing the dot translation. Am I correct in assuming that each localized area of text is associated with some given font? If so, I think a reasonable way to approach this problem is to maintain a table which associates a font name with a braille table. Since many fonts would probably point to the same braille table, you may wish to consider adding a level of indirection, e.g. a font group, so that, say, all English fonts could be switched from one braille table to another via a single operation. One of the dilemmas you may have is that you, quite understandably, only want to publish accurate tables whereas average users, especially those willing to help you out during development, would be satisfied with far less. The ideal for such users, which BRLTTY does provide, is to make the tables easily editable by the user. If you can point me to wherever your translation table format is described, I'll add to our tools a way to convert a BRLTTY table to a Gnopernicus table and vice versa. -- Dave Mielke | 2213 Fox Crescent | I believe that the Bible is the Phone: 1-613-726-0014 | Ottawa, Ontario | Word of God. Please contact me EMail: dave@mielke.cc | Canada K2A 1H7 | if you're concerned about Hell. http://familyradio.com/ | http://mielke.cc/bible/ From mjg59@codon.org.uk Thu Dec 11 08:59:55 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from cavan.codon.org.uk (cavan.codon.org.uk [213.162.118.85]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D7C418942 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 08:59:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mjg59 by cavan.codon.org.uk with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1AURM3-0002GA-00; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:59:47 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:59:47 +0000 From: Matthew Garrett To: Peter Korn Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Dasher 3.2.0 released Message-ID: <20031211135947.GA8615@srcf.ucam.org> References: <20031118014423.GA28674@srcf.ucam.org> <3FBAAAD4.24DC80E8@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3FBAAAD4.24DC80E8@sun.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 03:27:16PM -0800, Peter Korn wrote: > 1. There seem to be multiple sets of empty boxes I need to navigate > through to get to the menus in gedit - perhaps some of the code > in GOK could be helpful here? That's now sorted. > 3. The control box/alphabet is practically buried within the rest of > the alphabet. At least for two dimensional Dasher use, would you > consider putting that on the top or bottom (vertical vs. horizontal), > for rapid access? It also suggests a kind of "escape" to do something > completely different from entering text to put it in a different > place in the Dasher display. It's a nice idea, but it's not currently desperately practical - as the user zooms into boxes, the older boxes continue to exist. It's a valid input to enter, say, an "a" and then realise that you wanted the "e" below it - the direct route would then be through the bottom of the "a". > 2. Once I opened the Open File dialog, Dasher didn't give me access > to the UI elements - again perhaps GOK code could be used for > this? > > 4. The Menus alphabet always showed me first a set of running > applications to choose between before I could get to the menus > of the app I was interacting with. Since most of the time I'm > going to want to interact with the menus of the application I'm > also entering text into, please consider having menus be for the > topmost application's menus, and put at the top level of Control > an option to switch to a different application (again, rather > like GOK). Both of these are marginally awkward - if a new window appears, or if the user focus changes (or, indeed, even if we just change the order of the menus) then we have to invalidate the current tree and build a new one. In itself that's not too difficult, but it may lead to some confusion on the part of the user if Dasher resets itself every time a window pops up. It's arguably the correct way of doing it, though. I'll look into it. -- Matthew Garrett | mjg59@srcf.ucam.org From Peter.Korn@Sun.COM Thu Dec 11 12:28:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (nwkea-mail-1.sun.com [192.18.42.13]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8893418130 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:28:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from phys-d3-ha21sca-1 ([129.145.155.163]) by nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBBHSmUP013780 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:28:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun.com (vpn-129-150-20-143.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.20.143]) by ha21sca-mail1.sfbay.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HPQ000GPR7Z1F@ha21sca-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> for gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:28:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:28:46 -0800 From: Peter Korn Subject: Re: Dasher 3.2.0 released To: Matthew Garrett Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Message-id: <3FD8A94E.8080103@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 References: <20031118014423.GA28674@srcf.ucam.org> <3FBAAAD4.24DC80E8@sun.com> <20031211135947.GA8615@srcf.ucam.org> Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi Matthew, >> 3. The control box/alphabet is practically buried within the rest of >> the alphabet. At least for two dimensional Dasher use, would you >> consider putting that on the top or bottom (vertical vs. horizontal), >> for rapid access? It also suggests a kind of "escape" to do something >> completely different from entering text to put it in a different >> place in the Dasher display. > > It's a nice idea, but it's not currently desperately practical - as the > user zooms into boxes, the older boxes continue to exist. It's a valid > input to enter, say, an "a" and then realise that you wanted the "e" > below it - the direct route would then be through the bottom of the "a". Hmmm... In that case, what about regions in the canonical left half of the window. Normally crossing the middle boundary stops text entry, which is generally what you want to do when switching to control mode. If there were a target or two on the non-alphabet side of Dasher which switched modes, that would likewise allow potentially more rapid switching to the control box. Just a thought to experiment with. Regards, Peter Korn Sun Accessibility team From mjg59@codon.org.uk Thu Dec 11 12:37:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from cavan.codon.org.uk (cavan.codon.org.uk [213.162.118.85]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D709C18130 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:37:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mjg59 by cavan.codon.org.uk with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1AUUkX-0002yS-00; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:37:17 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:37:17 +0000 From: Matthew Garrett To: Peter Korn Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Dasher 3.2.0 released Message-ID: <20031211173717.GA11389@srcf.ucam.org> References: <20031118014423.GA28674@srcf.ucam.org> <3FBAAAD4.24DC80E8@sun.com> <20031211135947.GA8615@srcf.ucam.org> <3FD8A94E.8080103@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3FD8A94E.8080103@sun.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 09:28:46AM -0800, Peter Korn wrote: > Hmmm... In that case, what about regions in the canonical left half of the > window. Normally crossing the middle boundary stops text entry, which is > generally what you want to do when switching to control mode. If there > were a target or two on the non-alphabet side of Dasher which switched > modes, that would likewise allow potentially more rapid switching to the > control box. Sadly not :) Crossing the middle boundary reverses Dasher, which allows for error correction - at the moment it only reverses a finite number of nodes, but when I get round to fixing it up then it ought to be possible to reverse back to the initial state. -- Matthew Garrett | mjg59@srcf.ucam.org From Bill.Haneman@Sun.COM Thu Dec 11 13:11:47 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (nwkea-mail-1.sun.com [192.18.42.13]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D13D19254 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:11:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from phys-eris-1 ([129.156.85.25]) by nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBBIBkUP013809 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:11:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun.com (dbl-isdn-110.Ireland.Sun.COM [129.156.227.110]) by eris-mail1.uk.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HPQ003G1T7L0X@eris-mail1.uk.sun.com> for gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:11:45 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:11:48 +0000 From: Bill Haneman Subject: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters In-reply-to: <20031211170025.4795.83774.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Message-id: <3FD8B364.8060205@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20031103 References: <20031211170025.4795.83774.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Dave Mielke asked: > Am I correct in assuming that each localized area of text is >associated with some given font? If so, I think a reasonable way to approach >this problem is to maintain a table which associates a font name with a braille >table. > Unfortunately this isn't the case; there's a very poor mapping between fonts and locales/languages. Gnopernicus will need to get locale/language information from its source text; fortunately at-spi and GNOME provide that info in many cases. However locales and braille tables also map quite poorly onto one another. - Bill From dave@mielke.cc Thu Dec 11 15:01:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from mielke.cc (unknown [24.157.218.227]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 106B5182D9 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:01:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.private.mielke.cc (alpha.private.mielke.cc [192.168.0.2]) by mielke.cc (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBBK18r08424; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:01:09 -0500 Received: from alpha.private.mielke.cc (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpha.private.mielke.cc (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBBK15P6028053; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:01:05 -0500 Received: (from dave@localhost) by alpha.private.mielke.cc (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBBK14Ek028051; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:01:04 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:01:04 -0500 From: Dave Mielke To: Bill Haneman Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters Message-ID: <20031211200104.GS20138@alpha.private.mielke.cc> References: <20031211170025.4795.83774.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> <3FD8B364.8060205@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3FD8B364.8060205@sun.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: [quoted lines by Bill Haneman on 2003/12/11 at 18:11 +0000] >However locales and braille tables also map quite poorly onto one another. Our experience is that there's no real mapping between the two at all. The reason is that the conventions used for any given language's literary braille tend to be unusable for computer braille since certain characters require more than one braille cell and/or certain characters can only be represented in certain contexts. There may be a widely accepted standard for the representation of characters 0X20-0X7E in English braille (and that doesn't even accommodate the extended ASCII characters), but the same isn't true for most languages. Tjere are cases wjere two users of the same language who live in the very same city perfer different dot mapping schemes for non-alphabetic characters. This is why we've went the route of making it easy for a user to define his own tables while, at the same time, providing a set of tables which are generally accepted. In the absence of standards, that's about the best one can do. Hopefully, as time progresses, more standards will be developed as the preferences of the users of a given language merge. -- Dave Mielke | 2213 Fox Crescent | I believe that the Bible is the Phone: 1-613-726-0014 | Ottawa, Ontario | Word of God. Please contact me EMail: dave@mielke.cc | Canada K2A 1H7 | if you're concerned about Hell. http://familyradio.com/ | http://mielke.cc/bible/ From kd7cyu@yahoo.com Thu Dec 11 16:29:56 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.11.34]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7D5E418267 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:29:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown (HELO tom) (kd7cyu@216.173.216.10 with login) by smtp003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 21:29:54 -0000 Message-ID: <01dd01c3c02d$ff1edd60$0200000a@tom> From: "Tom Masterson" To: Subject: java access bridge Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:30:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01DA_01C3BFEA.EFC58E60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01DA_01C3BFEA.EFC58E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now that I have gnome and gnopernicus working (does much better when you = tell it the right port) can someone tell me where to find teh java = access bridge for gnome? 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------=_NextPart_000_01DA_01C3BFEA.EFC58E60-- From malcolm@commsecure.com.au Thu Dec 11 16:38:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from commsecure.com.au (CommSecureAustPtyLtd.sb1.optus.net.au [203.202.148.106]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8AC918A48 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:38:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from sunhill.commsecure.com.au (sunhill.commsecure.com.au [172.16.15.1]) by commsecure.com.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBBLch717424; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:38:43 +1100 Received: from ws14.commsecure.com.au (ws14.commsecure.com.au [172.16.15.14]) by sunhill.commsecure.com.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBBLcme10937; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:38:48 +1100 Received: from ws14.commsecure.com.au (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ws14.commsecure.com.au (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBBLclEh006064; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:38:47 +1100 Received: (from malcolm@localhost) by ws14.commsecure.com.au (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id hBBLclUN006062; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:38:47 +1100 X-Authentication-Warning: ws14.commsecure.com.au: malcolm set sender to malcolm@commsecure.com.au using -f Subject: Re: java access bridge From: Malcolm Tredinnick To: Tom Masterson Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <01dd01c3c02d$ff1edd60$0200000a@tom> References: <01dd01c3c02d$ff1edd60$0200000a@tom> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1071178726.5795.12.camel@ws14.commsecure.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 (1.4.5-7) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:38:47 +1100 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi Tom, On Fri, 2003-12-12 at 08:30, Tom Masterson wrote: > Now that I have gnome and gnopernicus working (does much better when > you tell it the right port) can someone tell me where to find teh java > access bridge for gnome? It has been posted before but I lost some > emails. You can either get it from the GNOME CVS repository, or download a tarball from http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/java-access-bridge/1.3/ Cheers, Malcolm From deedra@dmwaters.us Mon Dec 15 19:43:12 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.64]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C952418CBE for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:43:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from simba ([68.212.8.108]) by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031216004306.CEWN21685.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@simba> for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:43:06 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:42:15 -0600 (CST) From: Deedra Waters X-X-Sender: dmwaters@simba To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: problems with gnome java access bridge Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I don't really know if anyone is going to have answers for this or not. I was installing the 1.2.1 version of the gnome java access bridge, and it asked meto upgrade at-spi, so I did that. the version I upgraded to with that is 1.3.9. Well, I started gnome with no problems gnopernicus was talking, then all the sudeen it got real quiet, and the load on my machine went through the roof, till I ended up with: 18:16:21 up 21:08, 8 users, load average: 49.24, 42.37, 24.75 It was using all of my ram (128mb) and 210mb of swap space. The thing I'm wondering is, what could possibley be causing such a mess, yeah, I know I don't have a lot of memory, but that can't be the only problem here. What could flatten my machine in a few minutes like that that's inside gnome, or any of theese two latest apps I've installed? If someone could please give me some answers to this, I would appreciate it. Thanks. - -- Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, http://www.gentoo.org Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/3lTuU5AGPOTGNc8RAi3jAJ4qQ5M5c2MA8+VMITebrHQ/ioTdsQCfbC/Y H0zc0A/P5VBi0cfwlO8gtnU= =1Wt9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Padraig.Obriain@Sun.COM Tue Dec 16 03:27:10 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from nwkea-mail-2.sun.com (nwkea-mail-2.sun.com [192.18.42.14]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C15E81820B for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 03:27:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from phys-eris-1 ([129.156.85.25]) by nwkea-mail-2.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBG8R80J009853 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:27:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun.com (anymachine.Ireland.Sun.COM [129.156.238.95]) by eris-mail1.uk.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HPZ00I9OBH7N9@eris-mail1.uk.sun.com> for gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:27:07 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:23:55 +0000 From: "padraig o'briain" Subject: Re: problems with gnome java access bridge To: Deedra Waters Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Message-id: <3FDEC11B.EE50B0B5@sun.com> Organization: Sun Microsystems MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79C-CCK-MCD [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.9 sun4u) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: You do not state what Java application you were running or what applications are using up your CPU. Padraig Deedra Waters wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I don't really know if anyone is going to have answers for this or not. > > I was installing the 1.2.1 version of the gnome java access bridge, and it asked meto upgrade at-spi, so I did that. the version I upgraded to with that is 1.3.9. > > Well, I started gnome with no problems gnopernicus was talking, then all the sudeen it got real quiet, and the load on my machine went through the roof, till I ended up with: 18:16:21 up 21:08, 8 users, load average: 49.24, 42.37, 24.75 > > It was using all of my ram (128mb) and 210mb of swap space. > > The thing I'm wondering is, what could possibley be causing such a mess, yeah, I know I don't have a lot of memory, but that can't be the only problem here. What could flatten my machine in a few minutes like that that's inside gnome, or any of theese two latest apps I've installed? > > If someone could please give me some answers to this, I would appreciate it. Thanks. > > - -- > Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, > http://www.gentoo.org > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE/3lTuU5AGPOTGNc8RAi3jAJ4qQ5M5c2MA8+VMITebrHQ/ioTdsQCfbC/Y > H0zc0A/P5VBi0cfwlO8gtnU= > =1Wt9 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list From christophe.delaunay@thomson.net Tue Dec 16 05:58:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@mail.gnome.org Received: from ns2.thmulti.com (ns2.thmulti.com [141.11.234.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1BD2188BD for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 05:58:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprelay2.thmulti.com (smtprelay2.thmulti.com [141.11.195.242]) by ns2.thmulti.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA20966 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:58:51 +0100 (MET) Received: from parexch3.paris.thmulti.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtprelay2.thmulti.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA23089 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:58:47 +0100 (MET) Received: by parexch3 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:59:13 +0100 Message-ID: <05B4910E0216D411B14F00508B6A67A9055134A4@renexch5.rennes.thmulti.com> From: Delaunay Christophe To: "Gnome Accessibility List (E-mail)" Subject: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 does not want to init my brl display Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:58:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hello listers, From the console, when I type startx, gnopernicus starts talking but does not want to initialize my braille display. I know that this question seems like a faq but before asking for your help, I made sure twice I really did all what I read in the documentation. So, here is my configuration : - linux mandrake 9.2 on a Compaq DeskPro with 512 mb of ram and PIII processor running at 750 mHz; - brltty rev. 3.3.1 compiled with --enable-api and driving a braillex ELba, (Papenmeier braille display with 32 cells); - gnopernicus 0.7.0 with all gnome accessibility features installed, comprising the java access bridge. - The used TTS is festival 1.4.3 but due to problem with my soundboard, it really speaks too fast, (like a tape going twice its speed). When I launch "startx", gnopernicus is really launched and begins to speak but here is what I receive on stderr. ------------------- ********************** * SCREEN READER CORE * ********************** GTK Accessibility Module initialized brl_open_device: open device failed ** BRAILLE initialization failed for BRLTTY on port 1 To change one or more settings use gnopernicus UI (srcore:5924): gnopernicus-WARNING **: Callbacks are NOT supported by "V0 Kevin - Festival GNOME Speech Driver" voice. gnopernicus-Message: speech initialization succeded ----------------- First, I checked for the presence of /etc/brlapi.key. It's really here and I can read it. Then, I used the "gconftool-2" command as stated in brltty's "README.gnopernicus" file in order to let gnopernicus use the brltty API. Then, I wrote a .xinitrc file in my home directory as follows : -------------------- #!/bin/sh # Define environment variables. GARNOME=/usr # garnome is not installed on this computer PYTHONPATH=/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages GDK_USE_XFT=1 GTK_MODULES=gail:atk-bridge export PYTHONPATH GDK_USE_XFT GTK_MODULES # Configure Gnome. gconftool-2 --type bool --set /apps/desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility true # Tell Gnopernicus which virtual terminal is being used by the X display. # This is a bit complicated so cut-and-paste (rather than retype) it. CONTROLVT="$(grep "using VT number" "/var/log/XFree86.$(echo "$DISPLAY" | sed -e "s/^.*::*\([0-9]*\).*$/\1/").log" | sed -e "s/^.*using VT number \([0-9]*\).*$/\1/")" # I added next lines to print the value of CONTROLVT echo -n "=*=*=* The CONTROLVT variable was set to " echo -n $CONTROLVT echo " =*=*=*" export CONTROLVT # Start the Gnome session. exec $GARNOME/bin/gnome-session ------------------ When the X session start, I can notice that the CONTROLVT variable is set to 7. So, what may be causing this braille initialization problem? Is there a way in which gnopernicus could be more precise at init time when an error occurs? Many thanks in advance. Have a nice day. Chris From mlang@lexx.delysid.org Tue Dec 16 07:54:51 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@mail.gnome.org Received: from lexx.delysid.org (chello080109223065.lancity.graz.surfer.at [80.109.223.65]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDC7E1892E for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:54:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mlang by lexx.delysid.org with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1AWEii-0002h0-00; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:54:36 +0100 To: Delaunay Christophe Cc: "Gnome Accessibility List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 does not want to init my brl display From: Mario Lang In-Reply-To: <05B4910E0216D411B14F00508B6A67A9055134A4@renexch5.rennes.thmulti.com> (Delaunay Christophe's message of "Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:58:44 +0100") References: <05B4910E0216D411B14F00508B6A67A9055134A4@renexch5.rennes.thmulti.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:54:36 +0100 Message-ID: <87he00hqib.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 has a bug which results in BRLTTY support not being included. If you compiled from source, get 0.7.1, if you got gnopernicus through a Mandrake package, bug the maintainers that they need to upgrade to 0.7.1. Delaunay Christophe writes: > Hello listers, > >>From the console, when I type startx, gnopernicus starts talking but does > not want to initialize my braille display. > > I know that this question seems like a faq but before asking for your help, > I made sure twice I really did all what I read in the documentation. > > So, here is my configuration : > > - linux mandrake 9.2 on a Compaq DeskPro with 512 mb of ram and PIII > processor running at 750 mHz; > - brltty rev. 3.3.1 compiled with --enable-api and driving a > braillex ELba, (Papenmeier braille display with 32 cells); > - gnopernicus 0.7.0 with all gnome accessibility features installed, > comprising the java access bridge. > - The used TTS is festival 1.4.3 but due to problem with my > soundboard, it really speaks too fast, (like a tape going twice its speed). > > When I launch "startx", gnopernicus is really launched and begins to speak > but here is what I receive on stderr. > ------------------- > ********************** > * SCREEN READER CORE * > ********************** > > GTK Accessibility Module initialized > > brl_open_device: open device failed > ** BRAILLE initialization failed for BRLTTY on port 1 > To change one or more settings use gnopernicus UI > > (srcore:5924): gnopernicus-WARNING **: Callbacks are NOT supported by "V0 > Kevin - Festival GNOME Speech Driver" voice. > gnopernicus-Message: speech initialization succeded > ----------------- > > First, I checked for the presence of /etc/brlapi.key. It's really here and I > can read it. > > Then, I used the "gconftool-2" command as stated in brltty's > "README.gnopernicus" file in order to let gnopernicus use the brltty API. > > Then, I wrote a .xinitrc file in my home directory as follows : > -------------------- > #!/bin/sh > > # Define environment variables. > GARNOME=/usr # garnome is not installed on this computer > PYTHONPATH=/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages > GDK_USE_XFT=1 > GTK_MODULES=gail:atk-bridge > export PYTHONPATH GDK_USE_XFT GTK_MODULES > > # Configure Gnome. > gconftool-2 --type bool --set /apps/desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility > true > > # Tell Gnopernicus which virtual terminal is being used by the X display. > # This is a bit complicated so cut-and-paste (rather than retype) it. > CONTROLVT="$(grep "using VT number" "/var/log/XFree86.$(echo "$DISPLAY" | > sed -e "s/^.*::*\([0-9]*\).*$/\1/").log" | sed -e "s/^.*using VT number > \([0-9]*\).*$/\1/")" > # I added next lines to print the value of CONTROLVT > echo -n "=*=*=* The CONTROLVT variable was set to " > echo -n $CONTROLVT > echo " =*=*=*" > export CONTROLVT > > # Start the Gnome session. > exec $GARNOME/bin/gnome-session > ------------------ > > When the X session start, I can notice that the CONTROLVT variable is set to > 7. > > So, what may be causing this braille initialization problem? > > Is there a way in which gnopernicus could be more precise at init time when > an error occurs? > > Many thanks in advance. Have a nice day. Chris > _______________________________________________ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > -- CYa, Mario | Debian Developer | Get my public key via finger mlang@db.debian.org | 1024D/7FC1A0854909BCCDBE6C102DDFFC022A6B113E44 From deedra@dmwaters.us Tue Dec 16 10:01:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.64]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D49B182D8 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:01:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from simba ([68.212.8.108]) by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031216150110.FEKI29783.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@simba>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:01:10 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:00:18 -0600 (CST) From: Deedra Waters X-X-Sender: dmwaters@simba To: padraig o'briain Cc: Deedra Waters , gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: problems with gnome java access bridge In-Reply-To: <3FDEC11B.EE50B0B5@sun.com> Message-ID: References: <3FDEC11B.EE50B0B5@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 All I did was type startx. As to what was using up my cpu, top didn't show me anything out of the ordinary, top was at the top of the list. What I do know is that This did not happen till I upgraded at-spi, and installed the java access bridge. On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, padraig o'briain wrote: > You do not state what Java application you were running or what applications are using up your CPU. > > Padraig > > > Deedra Waters wrote: > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > I don't really know if anyone is going to have answers for this or not. > > > > I was installing the 1.2.1 version of the gnome java access bridge, and it asked meto upgrade at-spi, so I did that. the version I upgraded to with that is 1.3.9. > > > > Well, I started gnome with no problems gnopernicus was talking, then all the sudeen it got real quiet, and the load on my machine went through the roof, till I ended up with: 18:16:21 up 21:08, 8 users, load average: 49.24, 42.37, 24.75 > > > > It was using all of my ram (128mb) and 210mb of swap space. > > > > The thing I'm wondering is, what could possibley be causing such a mess, yeah, I know I don't have a lot of memory, but that can't be the only problem here. What could flatten my machine in a few minutes like that that's inside gnome, or any of theese two latest apps I've installed? > > > > If someone could please give me some answers to this, I would appreciate it. Thanks. > > > > - -- > > Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, > > http://www.gentoo.org > > > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQE/3lTuU5AGPOTGNc8RAi3jAJ4qQ5M5c2MA8+VMITebrHQ/ioTdsQCfbC/Y > > H0zc0A/P5VBi0cfwlO8gtnU= > > =1Wt9 > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > - -- Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, http://www.gentoo.org Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/3x4LU5AGPOTGNc8RAvPiAKCSBRR9aEeIF4sbcrMgpaV6TVCyuACgq/yW nVjnNo6Ww1xgThOGZcSUtKA= =pjAG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Padraig.Obriain@Sun.COM Tue Dec 16 10:08:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (nwkea-mail-1.sun.com [192.18.42.13]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F00B182D8 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:08:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from phys-eris-1 ([129.156.85.25]) by nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBGF7lrl015508 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:08:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun.com (anymachine.Ireland.Sun.COM [129.156.238.95]) by eris-mail1.uk.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HPZ00CQ6U1AJ0@eris-mail1.uk.sun.com> for gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:07:58 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:04:46 +0000 From: "padraig o'briain" Subject: Re: problems with gnome java access bridge To: Deedra Waters Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Message-id: <3FDF1F0E.8B8D3539@sun.com> Organization: Sun Microsystems MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79C-CCK-MCD [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.9 sun4u) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <3FDEC11B.EE50B0B5@sun.com> Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This does not sound like anything to do with the java access bridge. Is this a process running at-spi-registryd and can you get a stack trace from it? Padraig Deedra Waters wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > All I did was type startx. As to what was using up my cpu, top didn't show me anything out of the ordinary, top was at the top of the list. > > What I do know is that This did not happen till I upgraded at-spi, and installed the java access bridge. > > On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, padraig o'briain wrote: > > > You do not state what Java application you were running or what applications are using up your CPU. > > > > Padraig > > > > > > Deedra Waters wrote: > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > I don't really know if anyone is going to have answers for this or not. > > > > > > I was installing the 1.2.1 version of the gnome java access bridge, and it asked meto upgrade at-spi, so I did that. the version I upgraded to with that is 1.3.9. > > > > > > Well, I started gnome with no problems gnopernicus was talking, then all the sudeen it got real quiet, and the load on my machine went through the roof, till I ended up with: 18:16:21 up 21:08, 8 users, load average: 49.24, 42.37, 24.75 > > > > > > It was using all of my ram (128mb) and 210mb of swap space. > > > > > > The thing I'm wondering is, what could possibley be causing such a mess, yeah, I know I don't have a lot of memory, but that can't be the only problem here. What could flatten my machine in a few minutes like that that's inside gnome, or any of theese two latest apps I've installed? > > > > > > If someone could please give me some answers to this, I would appreciate it. Thanks. > > > > > > - -- > > > Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, > > > http://www.gentoo.org > > > > > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > iD8DBQE/3lTuU5AGPOTGNc8RAi3jAJ4qQ5M5c2MA8+VMITebrHQ/ioTdsQCfbC/Y > > > H0zc0A/P5VBi0cfwlO8gtnU= > > > =1Wt9 > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > - -- > Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, > http://www.gentoo.org > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE/3x4LU5AGPOTGNc8RAvPiAKCSBRR9aEeIF4sbcrMgpaV6TVCyuACgq/yW > nVjnNo6Ww1xgThOGZcSUtKA= > =pjAG > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From deedra@dmwaters.us Tue Dec 16 10:28:09 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10728185DF for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:28:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from simba ([68.212.8.108]) by imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031216152808.EBYA17885.imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net@simba>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:28:08 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:27:17 -0600 (CST) From: Deedra Waters X-X-Sender: dmwaters@simba To: padraig o'briain Cc: Deedra Waters , gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: problems with gnome java access bridge In-Reply-To: <3FDF1F0E.8B8D3539@sun.com> Message-ID: References: <3FDEC11B.EE50B0B5@sun.com> <3FDF1F0E.8B8D3539@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 heh, once I start x, the problem is that my poor machine gets slammed, even with processes reniced to 20, with in a minute or two my load hits 50, and all I can do is sit there and look at it. I suspect that if I had about 10 times my ram, this might be easier for me to debug.:) Can you suggest any ways for me to grab a strace of it before I get slammed? On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, padraig o'briain wrote: > This does not sound like anything to do with the java access bridge. > > Is this a process running at-spi-registryd and can you get a stack trace from it? > > Padraig > > Deedra Waters wrote: > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > All I did was type startx. As to what was using up my cpu, top didn't show me anything out of the ordinary, top was at the top of the list. > > > > What I do know is that This did not happen till I upgraded at-spi, and installed the java access bridge. > > > > On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, padraig o'briain wrote: > > > > > You do not state what Java application you were running or what applications are using up your CPU. > > > > > > Padraig > > > > > > > > > Deedra Waters wrote: > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > > I don't really know if anyone is going to have answers for this or not. > > > > > > > > I was installing the 1.2.1 version of the gnome java access bridge, and it asked meto upgrade at-spi, so I did that. the version I upgraded to with that is 1.3.9. > > > > > > > > Well, I started gnome with no problems gnopernicus was talking, then all the sudeen it got real quiet, and the load on my machine went through the roof, till I ended up with: 18:16:21 up 21:08, 8 users, load average: 49.24, 42.37, 24.75 > > > > > > > > It was using all of my ram (128mb) and 210mb of swap space. > > > > > > > > The thing I'm wondering is, what could possibley be causing such a mess, yeah, I know I don't have a lot of memory, but that can't be the only problem here. What could flatten my machine in a few minutes like that that's inside gnome, or any of theese two latest apps I've installed? > > > > > > > > If someone could please give me some answers to this, I would appreciate it. Thanks. > > > > > > > > - -- > > > > Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, > > > > http://www.gentoo.org > > > > > > > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > > > iD8DBQE/3lTuU5AGPOTGNc8RAi3jAJ4qQ5M5c2MA8+VMITebrHQ/ioTdsQCfbC/Y > > > > H0zc0A/P5VBi0cfwlO8gtnU= > > > > =1Wt9 > > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > > > > - -- > > Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, > > http://www.gentoo.org > > > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQE/3x4LU5AGPOTGNc8RAvPiAKCSBRR9aEeIF4sbcrMgpaV6TVCyuACgq/yW > > nVjnNo6Ww1xgThOGZcSUtKA= > > =pjAG > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > - -- Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, http://www.gentoo.org Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/3yRcU5AGPOTGNc8RAoQpAKCs/TPgRgS9JeOr419iTWposKUTGQCfQf4y vztTeHRjomilIwcLtyAPv4I= =siJT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Bill.Haneman@Sun.COM Tue Dec 16 10:48:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from nwkea-mail-2.sun.com (nwkea-mail-2.sun.com [192.18.42.14]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB1C018132 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:48:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from phys-eris-1 ([129.156.85.25]) by nwkea-mail-2.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBGFmQ0L004547 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:48:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from ireland.sun.com (max.Ireland.Sun.COM [129.156.238.48]) by eris-mail1.uk.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HPZ00CTJVWRJ0@eris-mail1.uk.sun.com> for gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:48:27 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:39:03 +0000 From: Bill Haneman Subject: [Fwd: Re: accessibility for low vision] To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Reply-To: Bill.Haneman@Sun.COM Message-id: <3FDF2717.C88622F@ireland.sun.com> Organization: Sun Microsystems MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79C-CCK-MCD [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.10 sun4u) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I am forwarding a message from Dirk Schouten. I will reply to it on-list. I expect that many others on this list will have additional comments. I believe Dirk points out some significant RFEs for us, but my impression is that we can address a number of items on his wish list already. I'd be interested in other opinions. best regards, - Bill -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: accessibility for low vision Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:20:34 +0100 From: Dirk Schouten To: Bill Haneman References: <3.0.6.32.20031215140504.00a18c30@pop.knoware.nl><3.0.6.32.20031215140504.00a18c30@pop.knoware.nl> At 14:07 15-12-03 +0000, you wrote: >Dirk Schouten wrote: > >>Esteemed Mr. Haneman, >>Bein visually impaired and Linux user (servers), I hope addressing you will >>make me also use a GUI desktop in the future. >>My main problems with a LINUX GUI are: >>- The lack of big cursors >>- The lack of mouse software. >> >>When GNOME is interested in hearing my/our specific needs, I will be happy >>to elaborate on the above mentioned items. >>Kind regards, >>Dirk >> >Hi Dirk: > >I'd be very interested in your needs. Perhaps you could re-send this >message, or give me permission to forward it to >'gnome-accessibility-devel@gnome.org', so that the discussion can be public. > >The 'big cursors' issue has to do with limitations in the underlying >XServer system. There are some APIs on the way that I believe will help >address this issue. > >Also, if you have two frame buffers you can get a much-enlarged cursor >using 'gnome-mag' and gnopernicus. The performance is a bit sluggish >but it may be enough for your immediate needs. > >But I'd like to hear more about the 'mouse software' which would be >useful to you. Can you elaborate? > >thanks and best regards, > >Bill > Hello Bill, Thanks for the quick reply. I will write it down in a way that it's wider usable. You have permission to copy, cc, etc. Kind regards, Dirk ------------------------------------------------------------------ Visually impaired and the Linux desktop. The visually impaired face a lot of problems when trying to use a 'smooth' desktop. Smooth is difficult to define because there are so many eye deficiencies. Still, a lot of visually impaired and elderly people woudl be greatly helped when a few problems would be solved. And there are many. Some general GUI problems: - good quality fonts that are/stay sharp when enlarged - big icons for the desktop - Every entry in a program should have adjustable font size (menubar, drop down menu's, popupwindows, button characters) - Programs should use the complete desktop. A 'nice' example are the mail programs. There is not one Linux mail program that can do without a 'mailboxes' window like Eudora can. Eudora has a 'Mailbox' entry in the menubar. When clicking on it, the 'Mailboxes' dropdown menu opens and you see all your mailboxes. Point with your mouse and the mailbox opens _full screen_. In that way the whole surface of the desktop is usable for reading mail and reading folders. Personally speaking, this is one of the reasons I have to stay with Windows. Special problems in the GUI environment are the mouse pointers and cursors: - They are much too small. - There is only one (Debian) package with a badly designed big mouse and cursor. - There is not a variety in mouse pointers, cursors, hourglasses etc. that can fit one's need. - There is no mouse software that can: - make long mouse trails - get the mouse pointer in one position on the screen where you can always find it (one of the corners, or the middle of the screen). - get the mouse pointer standard on 'yes' or 'no' (saves searching) - make the cursor blink (to attract attention) A clone of an old version of 'Toggle' http://www.toggle.com would be useful. Hope this is useful to you. Looking forward to .... Kind regards, Dirk ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dirk Schouten Our OSS/GPL primary school CMS Site@School: http://siteatschool.sourceforge.net Tools for teachers: http://wyxs.net Media Action Projects: http://utopia.knoware.nl/users/schoutdi ________________________________ From filastin48@hotmail.com Tue Dec 16 12:53:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from hotmail.com (law11-oe19.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.16.123]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C823E18A7D for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:53:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:53:24 -0800 Received: from 141.161.90.161 by law11-oe19.law11.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:53:24 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [141.161.90.161] X-Originating-Email: [filastin48@hotmail.com] X-Sender: filastin48@hotmail.com Reply-To: "cris" From: "cris" To: Subject: step by step instruction on how to start gnome Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:59:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01C3C3D4.6B00BF40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2003 17:53:24.0441 (UTC) FILETIME=[805FCC90:01C3C3FD] Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C3C3D4.6B00BF40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Hi Folks, > Where can I find a step by step instructions on how to start gnome = with > gnopernicus? I am completely illiterate with linux. I just installed = fedora > and want to play with gnome. My fedora could not detect my sound = system, so > I want to try gnopernicus with dectalk express. If any of you can = guide me > through this process, I will be grateful. > Cheers, > Cris ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C3C3D4.6B00BF40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>
> Hi Folks,
> Where = can I find a=20 step by step instructions on how to start gnome with
> = gnopernicus? I am=20 completely illiterate with linux.  I just installed fedora
> = and want=20 to play with gnome.  My fedora could not detect my sound system, = so
>=20 I want to try gnopernicus with dectalk express.  If any of you can = guide=20 me
> through this process, I will be grateful.
> = Cheers,
>=20 Cris
------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C3C3D4.6B00BF40-- From tward1978@earthlink.net Tue Dec 16 13:42:10 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D68AA18ACC for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:42:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdn-ap-019ilchicp0238.dialsprint.net ([65.176.192.238] helo=noneflzmskjmuf) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AWK8w-0007cE-00; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:42:03 -0800 Message-ID: <00b301c3c404$51913550$eec0b041@noneflzmskjmuf> From: "Tom and Esther Ward" To: "cris" Cc: References: Subject: Re: step by step instruction on how to start gnome Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:42:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B0_01C3C3DA.67CF1FA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01C3C3DA.67CF1FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, Cris. At the current time gnome-speech does not have Dectalk Express = support. There is a driver I am developing, but I haven't done much with = that project as of late. For the time being you'll need your sound card operational so that you = can use gnopernicus with a software speech system such as festival, = freetts, or the dectalk software from Fonix. I'm not certain, but I believe Fedora uses the Red Hat sndconfig utility = for sound card configuration. If so make sure sndconfig is installed, and run sndconfig which is a = textual dialog based application which will walk you step by step = through the sound configuration. As for starting gnome you'll need three things. One make sure the = x-windows server is installed properly. Make sure gnome is installed and = set as your default desktop. These questions were probably asked during = the Linux install, and while installing you should have installed x and = a gnome desktop. It is also a good idea to install festival as = gnopernicus generally defaults to festival first. If so you are ready to = start up gnome with accessibility. Before launching gnome for the first time this accessibility key must be = set. This only needs to be once. gconftool-2 --type bool --set /desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility = true Now, type startx and x-windows should load. At this point press alt-f2 to get a run dialog, type gnopernicus, and = press enter. Assuming your sound card is operational, festival is installed, you = should here welcome to gnopernicus. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: cris=20 To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:59 PM Subject: step by step instruction on how to start gnome > > Hi Folks, > Where can I find a step by step instructions on how to start gnome = with > gnopernicus? I am completely illiterate with linux. I just = installed fedora > and want to play with gnome. My fedora could not detect my sound = system, so > I want to try gnopernicus with dectalk express. If any of you can = guide me > through this process, I will be grateful. > Cheers, > Cris ------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01C3C3DA.67CF1FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello, Cris.
At the current time gnome-speech =  does=20 not have  Dectalk Express support. There is a driver I am = developing, but I=20 haven't done much with that project as of late.
For the time being you'll need your = sound card=20 operational so that you can use gnopernicus with a software speech = system such=20 as festival, freetts, or the dectalk software from Fonix.
I'm not certain, but I believe Fedora = uses the Red=20 Hat sndconfig utility for sound card configuration.
If so make sure sndconfig is installed, = and run=20 sndconfig which is a textual dialog based application which will walk = you step=20 by step through the sound configuration.
As for starting gnome you'll need three = things. One=20 make sure the x-windows server is installed properly. Make sure gnome is = installed and set as your default desktop. These questions were probably = asked=20 during the Linux install, and while installing you should have installed = x and a=20 gnome desktop. It is also a good idea to install festival as gnopernicus = generally defaults to festival first. If so you are ready to start up = gnome with=20 accessibility.
Before launching gnome for the first = time this=20 accessibility key must be set. This only needs to be once.
gconftool-2 --type bool --set=20 /desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility true
Now, type startx and x-windows should=20 load.
At this point press alt-f2 to = get a run=20 dialog, type gnopernicus, and press enter.
Assuming your sound card is = operational, festival=20 is installed, you should here welcome to gnopernicus.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 cris=20
To: gnome-accessibility-li= st@gnome.org=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, = 2003 12:59=20 PM
Subject: step by step = instruction on how=20 to start gnome

>
> Hi Folks,
> Where = can I find a=20 step by step instructions on how to start gnome with
> = gnopernicus? I am=20 completely illiterate with linux.  I just installed = fedora
> and=20 want to play with gnome.  My fedora could not detect my sound = system,=20 so
> I want to try gnopernicus with dectalk express.  If = any of you=20 can guide me
> through this process, I will be grateful.
> = Cheers,
> Cris
------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01C3C3DA.67CF1FA0-- From tward1978@earthlink.net Tue Dec 16 13:46:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E38C41829A for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:46:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdn-ap-019ilchicp0238.dialsprint.net ([65.176.192.238] helo=noneflzmskjmuf) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AWKD3-0000wY-00; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:46:18 -0800 Message-ID: <00cc01c3c404$e98581e0$eec0b041@noneflzmskjmuf> From: "Tom and Esther Ward" To: "Delaunay Christophe" Cc: References: <05B4910E0216D411B14F00508B6A67A9055134A4@renexch5.rennes.thmulti.com> Subject: Re: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 does not want to init my brl display Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:46:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, Delaunay. There is a known bug with gnopernicus 0.7.0 which ships with Drake where the braille support is broken. You must download 0.7.1 from gnome.org and rebuild ggnopernicus from that in order to get braille support. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Delaunay Christophe" To: "Gnome Accessibility List (E-mail)" Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 5:58 AM Subject: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 does not want to init my brl display > Hello listers, > > From the console, when I type startx, gnopernicus starts talking but does > not want to initialize my braille display. > > I know that this question seems like a faq but before asking for your help, > I made sure twice I really did all what I read in the documentation. > > So, here is my configuration : > > - linux mandrake 9.2 on a Compaq DeskPro with 512 mb of ram and PIII > processor running at 750 mHz; > - brltty rev. 3.3.1 compiled with --enable-api and driving a > braillex ELba, (Papenmeier braille display with 32 cells); > - gnopernicus 0.7.0 with all gnome accessibility features installed, > comprising the java access bridge. > - The used TTS is festival 1.4.3 but due to problem with my > soundboard, it really speaks too fast, (like a tape going twice its speed). > > When I launch "startx", gnopernicus is really launched and begins to speak > but here is what I receive on stderr. > ------------------- > ********************** > * SCREEN READER CORE * > ********************** > > GTK Accessibility Module initialized > > brl_open_device: open device failed > ** BRAILLE initialization failed for BRLTTY on port 1 > To change one or more settings use gnopernicus UI > > (srcore:5924): gnopernicus-WARNING **: Callbacks are NOT supported by "V0 > Kevin - Festival GNOME Speech Driver" voice. > gnopernicus-Message: speech initialization succeded > ----------------- > > First, I checked for the presence of /etc/brlapi.key. It's really here and I > can read it. > > Then, I used the "gconftool-2" command as stated in brltty's > "README.gnopernicus" file in order to let gnopernicus use the brltty API. > > Then, I wrote a .xinitrc file in my home directory as follows : > -------------------- > #!/bin/sh > > # Define environment variables. > GARNOME=/usr # garnome is not installed on this computer > PYTHONPATH=/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages > GDK_USE_XFT=1 > GTK_MODULES=gail:atk-bridge > export PYTHONPATH GDK_USE_XFT GTK_MODULES > > # Configure Gnome. > gconftool-2 --type bool --set /apps/desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility > true > > # Tell Gnopernicus which virtual terminal is being used by the X display. > # This is a bit complicated so cut-and-paste (rather than retype) it. > CONTROLVT="$(grep "using VT number" "/var/log/XFree86.$(echo "$DISPLAY" | > sed -e "s/^.*::*\([0-9]*\).*$/\1/").log" | sed -e "s/^.*using VT number > \([0-9]*\).*$/\1/")" > # I added next lines to print the value of CONTROLVT > echo -n "=*=*=* The CONTROLVT variable was set to " > echo -n $CONTROLVT > echo " =*=*=*" > export CONTROLVT > > # Start the Gnome session. > exec $GARNOME/bin/gnome-session > ------------------ > > When the X session start, I can notice that the CONTROLVT variable is set to > 7. > > So, what may be causing this braille initialization problem? > > Is there a way in which gnopernicus could be more precise at init time when > an error occurs? > > Many thanks in advance. Have a nice day. Chris > _______________________________________________ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > From deedra@dmwaters.us Tue Dec 16 19:39:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46DB518383 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:39:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from simba ([68.212.8.108]) by imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031217003945.OPQL17885.imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net@simba>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:39:45 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:38:54 -0600 (CST) From: Deedra Waters X-X-Sender: dmwaters@simba To: Deedra Waters Cc: padraig o'briain , gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: problems with gnome java access bridge In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <3FDEC11B.EE50B0B5@sun.com> <3FDF1F0E.8B8D3539@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ok, removing mozilla seems to have fixed the insane load average, and memory consumption. As near as I can tell, several instences of mozilla seem to be starting, so many that it seems to be swamping my machine entirely. On a slightly different topic, I see a lot of this while gnome is running.... gnopernicus-Message: Multiple instances are NOT ALLOWED. This instance will end.gnopernicus-Message: Multiple instances are NOT ALLOWED. This instance will end.gnopernicus-Message: Multiple instances are NOT ALLOWED. This instance will end.You can only run one xsettings manager at a time; exiting Can anyone tell me why this is happening? and if this is normal? Now I just need to find out why gnopernicus seems to be unresponsive after it starts up, though I guess I might be able to figure that out soon enough. Thanks for your help. On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Deedra Waters wrote: > --[PinePGP]--------------------------------------------------[begin]-- > heh, once I start x, the problem is that my poor machine gets slammed, even with processes reniced to 20, with in a minute or two my load hits 50, and all I can do is sit there and look at it. I suspect that if I had about 10 times my ram, this might be easier for me to debug.:) > > Can you suggest any ways for me to grab a strace of it before I get slammed? > > > On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, padraig o'briain wrote: > > > This does not sound like anything to do with the java access bridge. > > > > Is this a process running at-spi-registryd and can you get a stack trace from it? > > > > Padraig > > > > Deedra Waters wrote: > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > All I did was type startx. As to what was using up my cpu, top didn't show me anything out of the ordinary, top was at the top of the list. > > > > > > What I do know is that This did not happen till I upgraded at-spi, and installed the java access bridge. > > > > > > On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, padraig o'briain wrote: > > > > > > > You do not state what Java application you were running or what applications are using up your CPU. > > > > > > > > Padraig > > > > > > > > > > > > Deedra Waters wrote: > > > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > > > > I don't really know if anyone is going to have answers for this or not. > > > > > > > > > > I was installing the 1.2.1 version of the gnome java access bridge, and it asked meto upgrade at-spi, so I did that. the version I upgraded to with that is 1.3.9. > > > > > > > > > > Well, I started gnome with no problems gnopernicus was talking, then all the sudeen it got real quiet, and the load on my machine went through the roof, till I ended up with: 18:16:21 up 21:08, 8 users, load average: 49.24, 42.37, 24.75 > > > > > > > > > > It was using all of my ram (128mb) and 210mb of swap space. > > > > > > > > > > The thing I'm wondering is, what could possibley be causing such a mess, yeah, I know I don't have a lot of memory, but that can't be the only problem here. What could flatten my machine in a few minutes like that that's inside gnome, or any of theese two latest apps I've installed? > > > > > > > > > > If someone could please give me some answers to this, I would appreciate it. Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > - -- > > > > > Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, > > > > > http://www.gentoo.org > > > > > > > > > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > > > > > iD8DBQE/3lTuU5AGPOTGNc8RAi3jAJ4qQ5M5c2MA8+VMITebrHQ/ioTdsQCfbC/Y > > > > > H0zc0A/P5VBi0cfwlO8gtnU= > > > > > =1Wt9 > > > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > > > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > > > > > > > - -- > > > Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, > > > http://www.gentoo.org > > > > > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > iD8DBQE/3x4LU5AGPOTGNc8RAvPiAKCSBRR9aEeIF4sbcrMgpaV6TVCyuACgq/yW > > > nVjnNo6Ww1xgThOGZcSUtKA= > > > =pjAG > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > -- > Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, > http://www.gentoo.org > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > --[PinePGP]----------------------------------------------------------- > gpg: Signature made Tue Dec 16 09:27:24 2003 CST using DSA key ID E4C635CF > gpg: Good signature from "Deedra Waters " > gpg: aka "Deedra Waters " > gpg: aka "Deedra Waters " > gpg: aka "Deedra Waters " > --[PinePGP]----------------------------------------------------[end]-- > - -- Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, http://www.gentoo.org Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/36WlU5AGPOTGNc8RAvbnAKCB5Ti7egpn6o3FxJHW/cQXXIXOcACZAY4E ZJFGt0S7vIaGmLastwgLRlE= =1MdY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From christophe.delaunay@thomson.net Wed Dec 17 02:24:00 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@mail.gnome.org Received: from ns1.thmulti.com (ns1.thmulti.com [141.11.234.67]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F0A618348 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 02:24:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprelay.thmulti.com (smtprelay [141.11.194.9]) by ns1.thmulti.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA28373 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:23:57 +0100 (MET) Received: from parexch9.paris.thmulti.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtprelay.thmulti.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA28524 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:23:56 +0100 (MET) Received: by outlook.paris.thmulti.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:23:57 +0100 Message-ID: <05B4910E0216D411B14F00508B6A67A9055134A6@renexch5.rennes.thmulti.com> From: Delaunay Christophe To: "Gnome Accessibility List (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 does not want to init my brl display Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:23:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi Tom, Many thanks for your reply. I finally did it and it nearly works. The = only problem which remains is that since my braille display is quite short, = (32 cells only), it only shows me the beginning of a chunk and I don't know = how to display the end. When I perform a CmtFWinRt command, it directly = goes to next item and I did not figure out how to change this behaviour yet. It = is especially annoying while getting long edit fields or checkboxes with = long descriptions since the check mark is presented at the end. So, if anyone knows how to configure gnopernicus in order to display = the entirety of each item on a short braille display, I would appreciate = any hint. Many thanks to all those who helped me to have braille support. Have a = nice day. Chris -----Original Message----- From: Tom and Esther Ward [mailto:tward1978@earthlink.net] Sent: mardi 16 d=E9cembre 2003 19:46 To: Delaunay Christophe Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 does not want to init my brl display Hi, Delaunay. There is a known bug with gnopernicus 0.7.0 which ships with Drake = where the braille support is broken. You must download 0.7.1 from gnome.org and rebuild ggnopernicus from that in order to get braille support. From christophe.delaunay@thomson.net Wed Dec 17 09:04:00 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@mail.gnome.org Received: from ns1.thmulti.com (ns1.thmulti.com [141.11.234.67]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 373F5181DA for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:03:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprelay.thmulti.com (smtprelay [141.11.194.9]) by ns1.thmulti.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA27068 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:03:56 +0100 (MET) Received: from parexch9.paris.thmulti.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtprelay.thmulti.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA02281 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:03:54 +0100 (MET) Received: by outlook.paris.thmulti.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:03:56 +0100 Message-ID: <05B4910E0216D411B14F00508B6A67A9055134A8@renexch5.rennes.thmulti.com> From: Delaunay Christophe To: "Gnome Accessibility List (E-mail)" Subject: gnopernicus and gnome terminal Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:03:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi listers, I wanted to use the gnome terminal in order to try launching a java application. Problem : When I launch the terminal, gnopernicus reports that it is an unknown terminal and does not want to read the command line. Or, perhaps, I don't know how to bring the display to it. So, what should I do? Many thanks in advance. Have a nice day. Chris From christophe.delaunay@thomson.net Wed Dec 17 09:46:09 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@mail.gnome.org Received: from ns1.thmulti.com (ns1.thmulti.com [141.11.234.67]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72DC518514 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:46:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprelay.thmulti.com (smtprelay [141.11.194.9]) by ns1.thmulti.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA03298 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:46:07 +0100 (MET) Received: from parexch3.paris.thmulti.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtprelay.thmulti.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA09280 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:46:03 +0100 (MET) Received: by parexch3 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:11:53 +0100 Message-ID: <05B4910E0216D411B14F00508B6A67A9055134A9@renexch5.rennes.thmulti.com> From: Delaunay Christophe To: "Gnome Accessibility List (E-mail)" Subject: gnopernicus and braille paning Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:12:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi listers, I'm using gnopernicus through BRLTTY's API with a quite small 32 cells display. I noticed that the "pan right" command of my display is mapped to BRLTTY's "CmdFWinRt", which in turn is mapped to "Do default action", in gnopernicus. In fact, when I issue the pan right command, it simply displays next item. However, when there are long items to display, how can I manage to read more than its 32 first characters on my display? Hope my explanations are clear enough and many thanks in advance for any advice. Have a nice day. Chris From rjc@MIT.EDU Wed Dec 17 14:50:38 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.83]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 194D2181FE for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:50:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from central-city-carrier-station.mit.edu (CENTRAL-CITY-CARRIER-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.72]) by pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id hBHJobxY021682 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:50:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.86]) by central-city-carrier-station.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id hBHJoa54005595 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:50:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from johnlennon (JOHNLENNON.MIT.EDU [18.113.1.240]) ) by melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with SMTP id hBHJoYRj001311 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:50:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002201c3c4d6$fdb1cfc0$f0017112@johnlennon> From: "Rich Caloggero" To: References: <05B4910E0216D411B14F00508B6A67A9055134A6@renexch5.rennes.thmulti.com> Subject: Re: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 does not want to init my brl display Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:50:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I'm wondering the same thing. How can we change the way Gnopernicus renders information either in speech or braille? Its somewhere in the config settings, but the UI I found to change some of these rules for how to pronounce different UI items is itself hard to use because of the way the rules are setup. So, is there a text-based way of changing these settings, and some documentation on how to do it? Thanx in advance... Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Delaunay Christophe" To: "Gnome Accessibility List (E-mail)" Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:23 AM Subject: RE: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 does not want to init my brl display Hi Tom, Many thanks for your reply. I finally did it and it nearly works. The only problem which remains is that since my braille display is quite short, (32 cells only), it only shows me the beginning of a chunk and I don't know how to display the end. When I perform a CmtFWinRt command, it directly goes to next item and I did not figure out how to change this behaviour yet. It is especially annoying while getting long edit fields or checkboxes with long descriptions since the check mark is presented at the end. So, if anyone knows how to configure gnopernicus in order to display the entirety of each item on a short braille display, I would appreciate any hint. Many thanks to all those who helped me to have braille support. Have a nice day. Chris -----Original Message----- From: Tom and Esther Ward [mailto:tward1978@earthlink.net] Sent: mardi 16 décembre 2003 19:46 To: Delaunay Christophe Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 does not want to init my brl display Hi, Delaunay. There is a known bug with gnopernicus 0.7.0 which ships with Drake where the braille support is broken. You must download 0.7.1 from gnome.org and rebuild ggnopernicus from that in order to get braille support. _______________________________________________ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list From Peter.Korn@Sun.COM Wed Dec 17 18:44:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from nwkea-mail-2.sun.com (nwkea-mail-2.sun.com [192.18.42.14]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A720A18B72 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:44:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from phys-d3-ha21sca-1 ([129.145.155.163]) by nwkea-mail-2.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBHNiL0H027190 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:44:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun.com (vpn-129-150-19-83.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.19.83]) by ha21sca-mail1.sfbay.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HQ2007GTCLWYK@ha21sca-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> for gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:44:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:44:18 -0800 From: Peter Korn Subject: Re: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 does not want to init my brl display To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Message-id: <3FE0EA52.9090108@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 References: <05B4910E0216D411B14F00508B6A67A9055134A6@renexch5.rennes.thmulti.com> <002201c3c4d6$fdb1cfc0$f0017112@johnlennon> Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi Rich, Chris, > I'm wondering the same thing. How can we change the way Gnopernicus renders > information either in speech or braille? Its somewhere in the config > settings, but the UI I found to change some of these rules for how to > pronounce different UI items is itself hard to use because of the way the > rules are setup. So, is there a text-based way of changing these settings, > and some documentation on how to do it? > > Thanx in advance... Chris - which Braille display are you using? I don't think BAUM owns all of the displays they support (especially since the BrlTTY work). Also, what are the Braille command settings in the Preferences->Braille Preferences->Braille Key Mapping dialog (the Braille Keys tab)? Gnopernicus version 0.71 defines these Braille keys as "DKxx". You can map these to whatever Gnopernicus command you want. See if that fixes things for you. Both Rich and Chris - the presentation output changes you want to make can be found in the Preferences->Presentation dialog. This is currently a very difficult dialog to use, and as a result of feedback from folks Sun brought into our Usability Labs BAUM is in the middle of redesigning these dialogs. For now, you need to arrow down through the table to find the line containing the combination of [output device, role, event] and modify the presentation string (in the "chunk" column) to make the output be what you want. Note also that in addition to the dialog changes that are in process, BAUM is changing the syntax of the output "chunk", moving to XML. Finally, while these strings are stored in gconf for now, they will be moving to their own XML file which gets read at startup time. So, the basic answer is that you can change things now, and hopefully soon (before GNOME 2.6.0) it will be much easier to change them! Regards, Peter Korn Sun Accessibility team > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Delaunay Christophe" > To: "Gnome Accessibility List (E-mail)" > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:23 AM > Subject: RE: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 does not want to init my brl display > > > Hi Tom, > > Many thanks for your reply. I finally did it and it nearly works. The only > problem which remains is that since my braille display is quite short, (32 > cells only), it only shows me the beginning of a chunk and I don't know how > to display the end. When I perform a CmtFWinRt command, it directly goes to > next item and I did not figure out how to change this behaviour yet. It is > especially annoying while getting long edit fields or checkboxes with long > descriptions since the check mark is presented at the end. > > So, if anyone knows how to configure gnopernicus in order to display the > entirety of each item on a short braille display, I would appreciate any > hint. > > Many thanks to all those who helped me to have braille support. Have a nice > day. Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom and Esther Ward [mailto:tward1978@earthlink.net] > Sent: mardi 16 décembre 2003 19:46 > To: Delaunay Christophe > Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 does not want to init my brl display > > > Hi, Delaunay. > There is a known bug with gnopernicus 0.7.0 which ships with Drake where the > braille support is broken. You must download 0.7.1 from gnome.org and > rebuild ggnopernicus from that in order to get braille support. > _______________________________________________ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list From filastin48@hotmail.com Thu Dec 18 16:17:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from hotmail.com (law11-oe42.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.16.100]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D42518327 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:17:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:17:58 -0800 Received: from 141.161.90.161 by law11-oe42.law11.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:17:58 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [141.161.90.161] X-Originating-Email: [filastin48@hotmail.com] X-Sender: filastin48@hotmail.com Reply-To: "cris" From: "cris" To: Subject: help with gnome and gnopernicus. Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:23:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01C3C583.57109CC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Dec 2003 21:17:58.0509 (UTC) FILETIME=[691D71D0:01C3C5AC] Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C3C583.57109CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi folks, When I logged out of the gnome session I had save session = checked, I did this several times. Now, every time I run gnome, I have = many coppies running at the same time. So, everything gnopernicus says, = it gets repeated several times. I can no longer understand what it says = because of this problem. Is there a way of manually deleting those = settings and starting fresh with the command line? How can I solve this = problem? =20 I also want to know where to find a document that lists the basic screen = review commands of gnopernicus, so that I can read the help files. Any help would be extremely appreciated. Cris ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C3C583.57109CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi folks,    When I = logged out of=20 the gnome session I had save session checked, I did this several = times. =20 Now, every time I run gnome, I have many coppies running at the same = time. =20 So, everything gnopernicus says, it gets repeated several times.  I = can no=20 longer understand what it says because of this problem.  Is there a = way of=20 manually deleting those settings and starting fresh with the command = line? =20 How can I solve this problem? 
I also want to know where to find a = document that=20 lists the basic screen review commands of gnopernicus, so that I can = read the=20 help files.
Any help would be extremely=20 appreciated.
Cris
------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C3C583.57109CC0-- From tward1978@earthlink.net Thu Dec 18 17:06:56 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net (conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.54]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85EBC180E4 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:06:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdn-ap-017ilchicp0448.dialsprint.net ([65.176.169.194] helo=noneflzmskjmuf) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AX6II-0006le-00; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:06:54 -0800 Message-ID: <009501c3c5b3$47a417a0$c2a9b041@noneflzmskjmuf> From: "Tom and Esther Ward" To: "cris" Cc: References: Subject: Re: help with gnome and gnopernicus. Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:07:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0092_01C3C589.5D3D8490" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0092_01C3C589.5D3D8490 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One possible solution is to delete the session files in your .gnome2 = directory in your home directory. If you can't find them it might just be easier to delete .gnome2 = directory, and let it get recreated when launching gnome again. Note, you will probably loose any settings you have for gnopernicus so = be prepared to reset your favorite settings. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: cris=20 To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org=20 Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 4:23 PM Subject: help with gnome and gnopernicus. Hi folks, When I logged out of the gnome session I had save session = checked, I did this several times. Now, every time I run gnome, I have = many coppies running at the same time. So, everything gnopernicus says, = it gets repeated several times. I can no longer understand what it says = because of this problem. Is there a way of manually deleting those = settings and starting fresh with the command line? How can I solve this = problem? =20 I also want to know where to find a document that lists the basic = screen review commands of gnopernicus, so that I can read the help = files. Any help would be extremely appreciated. Cris ------=_NextPart_000_0092_01C3C589.5D3D8490 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
One possible solution is to delete the = session=20 files in your .gnome2 directory in your home directory.
If you can't find them it might just be = easier to=20 delete .gnome2 directory, and let it get recreated when launching gnome=20 again.
Note, you will probably loose any = settings you have=20 for gnopernicus so be prepared to reset your favorite = settings.
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 cris=20
To: gnome-accessibility-li= st@gnome.org=20
Sent: Thursday, December 18, = 2003 4:23=20 PM
Subject: help with gnome and=20 gnopernicus.

Hi folks,    When I = logged out of=20 the gnome session I had save session checked, I did this several = times. =20 Now, every time I run gnome, I have many coppies running at the same=20 time.  So, everything gnopernicus says, it gets repeated several=20 times.  I can no longer understand what it says because of this=20 problem.  Is there a way of manually deleting those settings and = starting=20 fresh with the command line?  How can I solve this problem?  =
I also want to know where to find a = document that=20 lists the basic screen review commands of gnopernicus, so that I can = read the=20 help files.
Any help would be extremely=20 appreciated.
Cris
------=_NextPart_000_0092_01C3C589.5D3D8490-- From jcf@tpg.com.au Fri Dec 19 07:24:56 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from mail4.tpgi.com.au (mail4.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.61]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF52618481 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 07:24:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from tpg.com.au (220-244-166-219.tpgi.com.au [220.244.166.219]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail4.tpgi.com.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBJCOrfC019213 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 23:24:53 +1100 Message-ID: <3FE2EE16.5050909@tpg.com.au> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 23:24:54 +1100 From: Jeff Franks User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: AtkHyperlink question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, I'm updating the API I use for my Inti C++ ATK binding to ATK 1.5.1 (CVS) and I had a couple of questions. Previously I have wrapped all the class and Iface virtual functions, such as those in AtkHyperlinkClass and AtkTextIface. I'm feel this may be overkill in the wrapping department for the average programmer but I assumed these functions would need to be implemented when adding accessibility support to a custom or new widgets. Is this the case? What is the purpose of the "link_state" function pointer in AtkHyperlink. There doesn't seem to be a corresponding function for it. Thanks, Jeff Franks. From alpuzz@comcast.net Fri Dec 26 14:39:18 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C9C0186E5 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 14:39:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from tecra8100 (bgp01091460bgs.waren401.mi.comcast.net[68.43.185.118]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2003122619391601200r4dt0e>; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 19:39:17 +0000 Message-ID: <002701c3cbe8$46748b40$6900a8c0@waren401.mi.comcast.net> From: "Al Puzzuoli" To: Subject: Problems installing DECTALK Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 14:41:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01C3CBBE.5CEF0960" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C3CBBE.5CEF0960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, I am attempting to set up dec speech on a system running Fedora, and am = encountering a problem. First, i ran the dec installer, and it seemed to install with no = problems. Then, I rebuilt and installed Gnome-speech-0.2.7. When I = configured it, I used the --prefix=3D/usr and --sysconfdir=3D/etc = options. According to configure, both the dec and festival drivers were built, = and when I run test-speech, that fact appears to be confirmed. The = Festival server tests out okay; however, I get the following output if I = attempt to select the dec server: =20 1: OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Dectalk:proto0.2 2: OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Festival:proto0.2 Select a server: 1 Atempting to activate = OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Dectalk:proto0.2. No server selected. Does anyone have any idea what might be going on? Thanks, --Al ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C3CBBE.5CEF0960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all,
I am attempting to set up dec speech on = a system=20 running Fedora, and am encountering a problem.
First, i ran the dec installer, and it = seemed to=20 install with no problems.  Then, I  rebuilt and installed=20 Gnome-speech-0.2.7.  When I configured it, I used the = --prefix=3D/usr and=20 --sysconfdir=3D/etc options.
According to configure, both the dec = and festival=20 drivers were built, and when I run test-speech, that fact appears to be=20 confirmed. The Festival server tests out okay; however, I get the = following=20 output if I attempt to select the dec server: 
 

1: OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Dectalk:proto0.2
2:=20 OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Festival:proto0.2
 
Select a server: 1
Atempting to activate=20 OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Dectalk:proto0.2.
No server=20 selected.
 
Does anyone have any idea what might be going on?
 
Thanks,
 
--Al

 
------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C3CBBE.5CEF0960-- From alpuzz@comcast.net Fri Dec 26 15:10:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2E84182CA for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 15:10:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from tecra8100 (bgp01091460bgs.waren401.mi.comcast.net[68.43.185.118]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2003122620104401600rlupse>; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 20:10:44 +0000 Message-ID: <003a01c3cbec$ab707460$6900a8c0@waren401.mi.comcast.net> From: "Al Puzzuoli" To: References: <002701c3cbe8$46748b40$6900a8c0@waren401.mi.comcast.net> Subject: Re: Please disregard Problems installing DECTALK Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 15:13:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0037_01C3CBC2.C1C960C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C3CBC2.C1C960C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable After poking around some more in the archives, I discovered that I = needed to edit files.sh and set the base dir to /usr before installing = dec. This seems to have done the trick so it looks like i'm on my way. Thanks, ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Al Puzzuoli=20 To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org=20 Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 2:41 PM Subject: Problems installing DECTALK Hello all, I am attempting to set up dec speech on a system running Fedora, and = am encountering a problem. First, i ran the dec installer, and it seemed to install with no = problems. Then, I rebuilt and installed Gnome-speech-0.2.7. When I = configured it, I used the --prefix=3D/usr and --sysconfdir=3D/etc = options. According to configure, both the dec and festival drivers were built, = and when I run test-speech, that fact appears to be confirmed. The = Festival server tests out okay; however, I get the following output if I = attempt to select the dec server: =20 1: OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Dectalk:proto0.2 2: OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Festival:proto0.2 Select a server: 1 Atempting to activate = OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Dectalk:proto0.2. No server selected. Does anyone have any idea what might be going on? Thanks, --Al ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C3CBC2.C1C960C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
After poking around some more in the = archives, I=20 discovered that I needed to edit files.sh and set the base dir to /usr = before=20 installing dec.  This seems to have done the trick so it looks like = i'm on=20 my way.
 
Thanks,
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Al = Puzzuoli=20
To: gnome-accessibility-li= st@gnome.org=20
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 = 2:41=20 PM
Subject: Problems installing=20 DECTALK

Hello all,
I am attempting to set up dec speech = on a system=20 running Fedora, and am encountering a problem.
First, i ran the dec installer, and = it seemed to=20 install with no problems.  Then, I  rebuilt and installed=20 Gnome-speech-0.2.7.  When I configured it, I used the = --prefix=3D/usr and=20 --sysconfdir=3D/etc options.
According to configure, both the dec = and festival=20 drivers were built, and when I run test-speech, that fact appears to = be=20 confirmed. The Festival server tests out okay; however, I get the = following=20 output if I attempt to select the dec server: 
 

1: OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Dectalk:proto0.2
2: = OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Festival:proto0.2
 
Select a server: 1
Atempting to activate=20 OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Dectalk:proto0.2.
No server=20 selected.
 
Does anyone have any idea what might be going on?
 
Thanks,
 
--Al

 
------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C3CBC2.C1C960C0-- From tward1978@earthlink.net Sat Dec 27 01:04:29 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D303189AD for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 01:04:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdn-ap-020ilchicp0474.dialsprint.net ([65.176.201.220] helo=noneflzmskjmuf) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Aa7Ym-000526-00; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 22:04:24 -0800 Message-ID: <00d301c3cc3f$5267b4c0$dcc9b041@noneflzmskjmuf> From: "Tom and Esther Ward" To: "Al Puzzuoli" Cc: References: <002701c3cbe8$46748b40$6900a8c0@waren401.mi.comcast.net> Subject: Re: Problems installing DECTALK Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 01:04:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D0_01C3CC15.68D9F580" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D0_01C3CC15.68D9F580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I had the exact problem on Mandrake 9.2. I fsolved the problem by = copying the Dectalk libs from the Dectalk installer into /usr/lib and = the problem went away. Hth. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Al Puzzuoli=20 To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org=20 Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 2:41 PM Subject: Problems installing DECTALK Hello all, I am attempting to set up dec speech on a system running Fedora, and = am encountering a problem. First, i ran the dec installer, and it seemed to install with no = problems. Then, I rebuilt and installed Gnome-speech-0.2.7. When I = configured it, I used the --prefix=3D/usr and --sysconfdir=3D/etc = options. According to configure, both the dec and festival drivers were built, = and when I run test-speech, that fact appears to be confirmed. The = Festival server tests out okay; however, I get the following output if I = attempt to select the dec server: =20 1: OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Dectalk:proto0.2 2: OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Festival:proto0.2 Select a server: 1 Atempting to activate = OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Dectalk:proto0.2. No server selected. Does anyone have any idea what might be going on? Thanks, --Al =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00D0_01C3CC15.68D9F580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, I had the exact problem on Mandrake = 9.2. I=20 fsolved the problem by copying the Dectalk libs from the Dectalk = installer into=20 /usr/lib and the problem went away.
Hth.
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Al = Puzzuoli=20
To: gnome-accessibility-li= st@gnome.org=20
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 = 2:41=20 PM
Subject: Problems installing=20 DECTALK

Hello all,
I am attempting to set up dec speech = on a system=20 running Fedora, and am encountering a problem.
First, i ran the dec installer, and = it seemed to=20 install with no problems.  Then, I  rebuilt and installed=20 Gnome-speech-0.2.7.  When I configured it, I used the = --prefix=3D/usr and=20 --sysconfdir=3D/etc options.
According to configure, both the dec = and festival=20 drivers were built, and when I run test-speech, that fact appears to = be=20 confirmed. The Festival server tests out okay; however, I get the = following=20 output if I attempt to select the dec server: 
 

1: OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Dectalk:proto0.2
2: = OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Festival:proto0.2
 
Select a server: 1
Atempting to activate=20 OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Dectalk:proto0.2.
No server=20 selected.
 
Does anyone have any idea what might be going on?
 
Thanks,
 
--Al

 
------=_NextPart_000_00D0_01C3CC15.68D9F580-- From lists@digitaldarragh.com Tue Dec 30 13:47:05 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.secure-ssl-server.us (mail.secure-ssl-server.us [212.17.38.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BE2E18B04 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 13:47:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from D ([193.203.157.196]) by mail.secure-ssl-server.us (Merak 6.0.8) with ASMTP id FF8D6A80 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:47:05 -0000 Message-ID: <00de01c3cf05$4f888900$0301a8c0@D> From: "Darragh" To: Subject: Gnopernicus wasn't installed Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:47:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C3CF05.4F519A80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C3CF05.4F519A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, Can any one tall me how to get gnopernicus and the associated programs = installed? I'm Running a new installation of Mandrake 9.2=20 Any help appreciated. I'm also looking for information on installing festivle. Darragh -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------------------------------- Why do we spend more time troubleshooting our systems than = actually using them? =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------------------------------- ------=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C3CF05.4F519A80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all,
Can any one tall me how to get = gnopernicus and the=20 associated programs installed?
 
I'm Running a new installation of = Mandrake 9.2=20
 
Any help appreciated.
 
I'm also looking for information on = installing=20 festivle.
 
 
Darragh
----------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------------------------------<= BR>     =20 Why do we spend more time troubleshooting our systems than actually = using=20 them?       =20
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------=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C3CF05.4F519A80-- From nath.ml@free.fr Tue Dec 30 15:35:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from postfix3-1.free.fr (postfix3-1.free.fr [213.228.0.44]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76E8C185FF for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 15:35:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from spy.home (lns-th2-15-82-64-236-218.adsl.proxad.net [82.64.236.218]) by postfix3-1.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28260C41F1; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 21:35:36 +0100 (CET) To: "Darragh" Cc: Subject: Re: Gnopernicus wasn't installed References: <00de01c3cf05$4f888900$0301a8c0@D> From: Nath Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:35:54 +0100 In-Reply-To: <00de01c3cf05$4f888900$0301a8c0@D> (lists@digitaldarragh.com's message of "Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:47:00 -0000") Message-ID: <873cb2gf9h.fsf@spy.home> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I saw a few days ago that Mdk 9.2 has Gnopernicus included as an rpm package. so if it is not installed, try to find it and install it as you install a normal .rpm package. sorry not to be able to tell you more about this but I'm on Debian ... "Darragh" writes: > Hello all, > > Can any one tall me how to get gnopernicus and the associated programs > installed? > >   > > I'm Running a new installation of Mandrake 9.2 > >   > > Any help appreciated. > >   > > I'm also looking for information on installing festivle. > >   > >   > > Darragh > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >       Why do we spend more time troubleshooting our systems than actually > using them?        > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Nath From tward1978@earthlink.net Tue Dec 30 22:54:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 248D0187F4 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:54:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdn-ap-020ilchicp0202.dialsprint.net ([65.176.200.202] helo=noneflzmskjmuf) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AbXR1-0005dB-00; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 19:54:16 -0800 Message-ID: <01ef01c3cf51$c5365a00$cac8b041@noneflzmskjmuf> From: "Tom and Esther Ward" To: "Darragh" Cc: References: <00de01c3cf05$4f888900$0301a8c0@D> Subject: Re: Gnopernicus wasn't installed Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:54:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01EC_01C3CF27.D9A354E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01EC_01C3CF27.D9A354E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, Darragh. I've got some good news and bad news for you, but this is very easy to = fix. The powerpack eddition that you can purchase includes gnopernicus, = but the free iso images do not from what I can tell. I can do one of = two things. If you would like I can email you the gnopernicus rpms = directly from the Powerpack cd's that I baught, or I can point you to = some Mandrake ftp sites whwith a list of rpms to download. Mandrake does offer the gnopernicus rpms on places like planetmirror.com = and sourceforge.com, and i can certainly tell you which files you need = to download, or I can simply email them to you. Hth. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Darragh=20 To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 1:47 PM Subject: Gnopernicus wasn't installed Hello all, Can any one tall me how to get gnopernicus and the associated programs = installed? I'm Running a new installation of Mandrake 9.2=20 Any help appreciated. I'm also looking for information on installing festivle. Darragh = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------------------------------- Why do we spend more time troubleshooting our systems than = actually using them? =20 = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------------------------------- ------=_NextPart_000_01EC_01C3CF27.D9A354E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello, Darragh.
I've got some good news and bad news = for you, but=20 this is very easy to fix.  The powerpack eddition that you can = purchase=20 includes gnopernicus, but the free iso images do not from what I can = tell. =20 I can do one of two things. If you would like I can email you the = gnopernicus=20 rpms directly from the Powerpack cd's that I baught, or I can point you = to some=20 Mandrake ftp sites whwith a list of rpms to download.
Mandrake does offer the gnopernicus = rpms on places=20 like planetmirror.com and sourceforge.com, and i can certainly tell you = which=20 files you need to download, or I can simply email them to = you.
Hth.
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Darragh
To: gnome-accessibility-li= st@gnome.org=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, = 2003 1:47=20 PM
Subject: Gnopernicus wasn't=20 installed

Hello all,
Can any one tall me how to get = gnopernicus and=20 the associated programs installed?
 
I'm Running a new installation of = Mandrake 9.2=20
 
Any help appreciated.
 
I'm also looking for information on = installing=20 festivle.
 
 
Darragh
----------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------------------------------<= BR>     =20 Why do we spend more time troubleshooting our systems than actually = using=20 them?       =20 =
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------=_NextPart_000_01EC_01C3CF27.D9A354E0-- From linux@bytebot.net Tue Dec 30 23:32:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from chop.phpwebhosting.com (chop.phpwebhosting.com [66.132.134.9]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 00242186F3 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 23:32:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 18628 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 04:32:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO 6-allhosts) (219.95.201.66) by chop.phpwebhosting.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 04:32:22 -0000 Subject: Gnopernicus and Fedora Core 1 From: Colin Charles Reply-To: byte@bytebot.net To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: ByteBot.net Message-Id: <1072845142.29149.17.camel@hermione> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 12:32:23 +0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, Has anyone tried this combination? I did a "yum install gnopernicus". It installed. Ran fine[1] for a while, crashes now. [1] - fine meaning I couldn't hear any voice output, but at least the program started up. What are my options? Thanks -- Colin Charles, byte@aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ From linux@bytebot.net Wed Dec 31 02:21:56 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from chop.phpwebhosting.com (chop.phpwebhosting.com [66.132.134.9]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 830EC183DA for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 02:21:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10207 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 07:21:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO 6-allhosts) (219.95.201.66) by chop.phpwebhosting.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 07:21:53 -0000 Subject: Re: Gnopernicus and Fedora Core 1 From: Colin Charles Reply-To: byte@bytebot.net To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1072845142.29149.17.camel@hermione> References: <1072845142.29149.17.camel@hermione> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: ByteBot.net Message-Id: <1072855314.29100.25.camel@hermione> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 15:21:54 +0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, 2003-12-31 at 12:32, Colin Charles wrote: > I did a "yum install gnopernicus". It installed. Ran fine[1] for a > while, crashes now. Solved by installing festival. Is there any better text-to-speech software out there? Thanks. -- Colin Charles, byte@aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ From d@digitaldarragh.com Tue Dec 30 13:40:58 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.secure-ssl-server.us (mail.secure-ssl-server.us [212.17.38.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 385A718B5B for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 13:40:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from D ([193.203.157.196]) by mail.secure-ssl-server.us (Merak 6.0.8) with ASMTP id FF8D6A80 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:40:56 -0000 Message-ID: <00c701c3cf04$73cbf0f0$0301a8c0@D> From: "Darragh" To: Subject: Gnopernicus wasn't installed Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:40:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C4_01C3CF04.7392B880" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C4_01C3CF04.7392B880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, Can any one tall me how to get gnopernicus and the associated programs = installed? I'm Running a new installation of Mandrake 9.2=20 Any help appreciated. I'm also looking for information on installing festivle. Darragh -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------------------------------- Why do we spend more time troubleshooting our systems than = actually using them? =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------------------------------- ------=_NextPart_000_00C4_01C3CF04.7392B880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all,
Can any one tall me how to get = gnopernicus and the=20 associated programs installed?
 
I'm Running a new installation of = Mandrake 9.2=20
 
Any help appreciated.
 
I'm also looking for information on = installing=20 festivle.
 
 
Darragh
----------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------------------------------<= BR>     =20 Why do we spend more time troubleshooting our systems than actually = using=20 them?       =20
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------=_NextPart_000_00C4_01C3CF04.7392B880-- From hanksmith@hanksmith.net Mon Dec 1 10:39:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from mediacast1.com (216.55.105.70.hera.net [216.55.105.70]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8127186AF for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 10:39:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from home4pboayp77g (12-230-35-212.client.attbi.com [12.230.35.212]) by mediacast1.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id hB1FdCtY044923 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 10:39:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from hanksmith@hanksmith.net) Message-ID: <002101c3b821$45422460$2101a8c0@home4pboayp77g> From: "hank" To: Subject: testing Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 07:39:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C3B7DE.34BD26A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C3B7DE.34BD26A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable are my messages getting threw to the list? ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C3B7DE.34BD26A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C3B7DE.34BD26A0-- From lukethemuso@ozemail.com.au Mon Dec 1 15:52:12 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from smta05.mail.ozemail.net (smta05.mail.ozemail.net [203.103.165.90]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C10AE18793 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 15:52:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from luke-laptop.ozemail.com.au ([203.61.132.156]) by smta05.mail.ozemail.net with ESMTP id <20031201205158.VXQB23090.smta05.mail.ozemail.net@luke-laptop.ozemail.com.au>; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 20:51:58 +0000 Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.1.20031202074919.00ab7e90@mail.ozemail.com.au> X-Sender: lukethemuso@mail.ozemail.com.au (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 07:49:27 +1100 To: "hank" From: Luke Yelavich Subject: Re: testing Cc: In-Reply-To: <002101c3b821$45422460$2101a8c0@home4pboayp77g> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: At 02:39 AM 2/12/2003, hank wrote: >are my messages getting threw to the list? Loud and clear. Luke From michael@ximian.com Tue Dec 2 06:33:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D504182D2 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 06:33:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 27155 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 11:33:46 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO linux.local) (michael@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 11:33:45 -0000 Subject: Re: Gnopernicus Questions From: Michael Meeks To: Rich Caloggero Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <005901c3b467$41782590$f0017112@johnlennon> References: <005901c3b467$41782590$f0017112@johnlennon> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Ximian. Message-Id: <1070393526.25955.124.camel@linux.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 19:32:07 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi Rich, On Wed, 2003-11-26 at 21:50, Rich Caloggero wrote: > Well, I've gotten festival working with gnopernicus on my 500MHZ rh9 box. > Its a huge huge improvement over freeTTS in terms of speed. Great :-) > 3. I know nothing about X. However, I've checked the option in gnopernicus > to have it load on startup, and it never starts. I usually login and press > f2 and type gnopernicus. I created a session-manual file in my .gnome2 Ok - so you need to run 'gnome-session-properties' under X; go to the startup-programs tab, and add 'gnopernicus' in there. Of course - you need to start Gnome using gnome-session to get a number of things to work - are you logging in via an accessible gdm2 ? or are you doing some 'startx' thing ? - the latter may make logout not work so well. Also in any bug report, it's really useful to know about your underlying system / vendor / version stuff. Anyway - really glad this is making good progress, Regards, Michael. -- michael@ximian.com <><, Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot From tward1978@earthlink.net Wed Dec 3 14:57:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net (cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.226]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6472D18D97 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 14:57:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdn-ap-017ilchicp0324.dialsprint.net ([65.176.169.70] helo=noneflzmskjmuf) by cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1ARd7P-0002RK-00; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 11:57:04 -0800 Message-ID: <006401c3b9d7$ab6b9ed0$46a9b041@noneflzmskjmuf> From: "Tom and Esther Ward" To: "Kenny Hitt" Cc: References: <003e01c39e88$a6492c20$f5e0b041@noneflzmskjmuf> <20031030172940.GA4545@blackbox.hittsjunk.net> <002901c39f1c$d7d00220$d9c9b041@noneflzmskjmuf> <20031203171450.GA17250@blackbox.hittsjunk.net> Subject: Re: accessible email client on gnome Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 14:57:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hello. As for the focus tracking problem that is a known bug with gnopernicus 0.7 and 0.7.1 stable There are to possibilities you can do for work arounds for the problem. With gnopernicus 0.7.1. First, if you open a message in balsa by pressing enter on the current message, go to mail, and reply you can then use the regular arrows to read the entire message. Yeah, I know it isn't the same, but it works. In fact, i like doing that better than flat review as I can arrow to the letters to get exact spellings. Another less apealing solution is to update gail and gnopernicus from cvs which fixes the flat review bug, but introduces some new bugs. As to the reason I am not using balsa at the moment has nothing to do with accessibility. At the moment I am having problems with my smtp setup. Every time I try to send mail in Linux with mutt, balsa, etc my mail I get an error about not being able to send. However, balsa can pop mail off of earthlink which comes down to I can read mail I just can't send any yet. Until I get smtp going under Mandrake I will just have to improvize with the Windows email clients until such time that I solve the smtp problems. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenny Hitt" To: "Tom and Esther Ward" Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 12:14 PM Subject: Re: accessible email client on gnome > Hi. I have some questions about your suggestions. > My Gnome 2.4 and Gnopernicus 0.71 can't switch into flat review mode. > Every time I try, I get kicked back to focus tracking mode. How did you > fix this? > Second, if balsa is so accessible, why are you still using outlook > express? > > Kenny > > On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 02:34:31PM -0500, Tom and Esther Ward wrote: > > Hi. > > First tab into the text of the message. Then, I use flat review mode to read > > the message. To toggle to flat review use the delete key on the numpad while > > on kpd level 0. > > Then the numpad-8 and numpad-2 will arrow up andd down through the lines of > > the message. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kenny Hitt" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 12:29 PM > > Subject: Re: accessible email client on gnome > > > > > > > Hi. How do you get gnopernicus to read the text of the message in balsa? > > > > > > Kenny > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 08:47:48PM -0500, Tom and Esther Ward wrote: > > > > Hi. > > > > I have found balsa to be one of the most accessible email clients > > around. > > > > What I have done is set my balsa preferences to automatically open my > > inbox > > > > on startup. > > > > However, typically if there are messages in your inbox pressing enter > > should > > > > open that folder. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Don Raikes" > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 7:21 PM > > > > Subject: accessible email client on gnome > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi list, > > > > > > > > > > using gnome 2.4 > > > > > > > > > > I am looking for an accessible email client on gnome using > > gnopernicus. > > > > > > > > > > When I tried balsa, I couldn't manager to open the inbox to see what > > > > > messages I had. I saw the list of mailboxes, but couldn't figure out > > how > > > > > to open the inbox. > > > > > > > > > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > > > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > _______________________________________________ > > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > > > > > From kd7cyu@yahoo.com Thu Dec 4 16:50:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.11.34]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EE4E518264 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 16:50:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown (HELO tom) (kd7cyu@216.173.216.10 with login) by smtp003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 21:50:38 -0000 Message-ID: <002401c3bab0$b2e55410$0200000a@tom> From: "Tom Masterson" To: Subject: gnopernicus question Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:50:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01C3BA6D.A388F7D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C3BA6D.A388F7D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all I finally got x-windows and gnome too work and gnopernicus also runs. = so the next problems are: 1. it doesn't know about my braille display. This is needed since this = computer has no sound. Actually it does have a sound card but linux is = having problems with it and it has no speakers hooked too it anyway so = braille is the only option. So how do I get braille too work? 2. Brlapi tells me something like no authentication found or some such = message. Is this a problem and how do I solve it? 3. When gnopernicus comes up it has the magnifier up and my wife has = trouble finding any thing on teh screen that might help because it gets = burried behind the magnifier. is there a way too tell it not to use the = magnifier? FOr those who need this info it is gnome 2.4 and I am not sure which = version of gnopernicus as it was loaded with gnome. Thanks Tom Masterson ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C3BA6D.A388F7D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all
 
I finally got x-windows and gnome too = work and=20 gnopernicus also runs.  so the next problems are:
 
1.  it doesn't know about my = braille=20 display.  This is needed since this computer has no sound.  = Actually=20 it does have a sound card but linux is having problems with it and it = has no=20 speakers hooked too it anyway so braille is the only option.  So = how do I=20 get braille too work?
 
2.  Brlapi tells me something like = no=20 authentication found or some such message.  Is this a problem and = how do I=20 solve it?
 
3.  When gnopernicus comes up it = has the=20 magnifier up and my wife has trouble finding any thing on teh screen = that might=20 help because it gets burried behind the magnifier.  is there a way = too tell=20 it not to use the magnifier?
 
FOr those who need this info it is = gnome 2.4=20 and  I am not sure which version of gnopernicus as it was loaded = with=20 gnome.
 
Thanks
Tom = Masterson
------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C3BA6D.A388F7D0-- From alpuzz@comcast.net Thu Dec 4 18:53:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 584F3181BF for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 18:53:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from tecra8100 (bgp01091460bgs.waren401.mi.comcast.net[68.43.185.118]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20031204235358016008ei49e>; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 23:53:58 +0000 Message-ID: <001901c3bac2$3e954ea0$6900a8c0@waren401.mi.comcast.net> From: "Al Puzzuoli" To: Subject: Gnopernicus stops after a few minutes. Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 18:56:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01C3BA98.55422760" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C3BA98.55422760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Everyone, I am experimenting with Gnopernicus 0.7.1 on a system running fedora, = and am noticing that after a few minutes of use, usually anywhere = between 5 to 10 minutes, I am losing speech. When this happens, the = only way I have found to restore functionality is to reboot. I haven't = been able to come up with any reproducible factors other than that. it = has happened to me while scrolling through the start menu, working in = Balsa or even just when tabbing through the controls of the Gnopernicus = main window. =20 The problem has occurred with Festival as well as with Dectalk. The = sound card I am currently using is a SoundBlaster live with the standard = drivers as shipped with Fedora, but I also experienced the problem while = using my mainboard's integrated via chipset ac97 with oss drivers. I am working to enable Braille support as well, and once I do, it will = be interesting to see if I am just losing speech and still have Braille = output, or whether the program is crashing altogether. =20 I am a relative newbie to Linux, so if there is more pertinent = troubleshooting info that I might provide, please let me know what it is = and how to obtain it and I would be happy to do so. Thanks in advance for any thoughts. --Al ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C3BA98.55422760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Everyone,
 
I am experimenting with Gnopernicus = 0.7.1 on a=20 system running fedora, and am noticing that after a few minutes of use, = usually=20 anywhere between 5 to 10 minutes, I am losing speech.  When this = happens,=20 the only way I have found to restore functionality is to reboot.  I = haven't=20 been able to come up with any reproducible factors other than that. it = has=20 happened to me while scrolling through the start menu, working in Balsa = or even=20 just when tabbing through the controls of the Gnopernicus main = window. =20
The problem has occurred  with = Festival as=20 well as with Dectalk.  The sound card I am currently using is a=20 SoundBlaster live with the standard drivers as shipped with Fedora, but = I also=20 experienced the problem while using  my mainboard's integrated via = chipset=20 ac97 with oss drivers.
 
I am working to enable Braille support = as well, and=20 once I do, it will be interesting to see if I am just losing = speech and=20 still have Braille output, or whether the program is crashing = altogether. =20
 
I am a relative newbie to Linux, so if = there is=20 more pertinent troubleshooting info that I might provide, please = let me=20 know what it is and how to obtain it and I would be happy to do = so.
 
Thanks in advance for any = thoughts.
 
--Al
 
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C3BA98.55422760-- From michael@ximian.com Fri Dec 5 09:30:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA37918325 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 09:30:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 13594 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 14:30:48 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO linux.local) (michael@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 14:30:48 -0000 Subject: Re: Gnopernicus stops after a few minutes. From: Michael Meeks To: Al Puzzuoli Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <001901c3bac2$3e954ea0$6900a8c0@waren401.mi.comcast.net> References: <001901c3bac2$3e954ea0$6900a8c0@waren401.mi.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Ximian. Message-Id: <1070663803.1690.85.camel@linux.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 22:36:43 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi Al, On Thu, 2003-12-04 at 23:56, Al Puzzuoli wrote: > I am experimenting with Gnopernicus 0.7.1 on a system running fedora, > and am noticing that after a few minutes of use, usually anywhere > between 5 to 10 minutes, I am losing speech. So - it's likely to be a crash somewhere; possibly the speech driver, or srcore. If you have control over how the session is run do: ulimit -c unlimited beforehand; then run gnome-session; and when it stops working you _may_ have a number of core.12356 type files lying around; try working out which app these come from: $ file core.12345 will tell you what file the dump came from and: $ gdb core.12345 backtrace should get us a useful trace for debugging it; I'd tend to only bother reporting bugs against HEAD however since lots of bugs are fixed there. Regards, Michael. -- michael@ximian.com <><, Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot From kd7cyu@yahoo.com Fri Dec 5 16:46:43 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.11.33]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6D46E189CC for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 16:46:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from dsl-10.telebyte.net (HELO tom) (kd7cyu@216.173.216.10 with login) by smtp1.mail.vip.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 21:46:42 -0000 Message-ID: <004b01c3bb79$53d598d0$0200000a@tom> From: "Tom Masterson" To: Subject: gnopernicus and brltty Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:47:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0048_01C3BB36.442CA330" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C3BB36.442CA330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi I seem too have things set up according to the instructions on the = gnopernicus and brltty pages and I can even tell that brltty is running = as a proccess undr the gnome/gnopernicus console however nothing comes = out on my alva when I am in xwindows/gnome. THe cursor just sits in the = upper left corner and nothing show on the display even though I can move = around with it. Does anyone have any ideas what might be the problem? Tom ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C3BB36.442CA330 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi
 
I seem too have things set up according = to the=20 instructions on the gnopernicus and brltty pages and I can even tell = that brltty=20 is running as a proccess undr the gnome/gnopernicus console however = nothing=20 comes out on my alva when I am in xwindows/gnome.  THe cursor just = sits in=20 the upper left corner and nothing show on the display even though I can = move=20 around with it.
 
Does anyone have any ideas what might = be the=20 problem?
 
Tom
------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C3BB36.442CA330-- From mlang@lexx.delysid.org Sat Dec 6 05:37:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from lexx.delysid.org (chello080109223065.lancity.graz.surfer.at [80.109.223.65]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABEC818278 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 05:37:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mlang by lexx.delysid.org with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1ASZoX-0005TH-00; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 11:37:29 +0100 To: "Tom Masterson" Cc: Subject: Re: gnopernicus and brltty From: Mario Lang In-Reply-To: <004b01c3bb79$53d598d0$0200000a@tom> (Tom Masterson's message of "Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:47:04 -0800") References: <004b01c3bb79$53d598d0$0200000a@tom> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 11:37:29 +0100 Message-ID: <873cbyb5au.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi. DId you check if the environment variable CONTROLVT is correctly set (on most systems, it would be set to 7). Another possibility is the key file, is it readable with the user that starts gnome? "Tom Masterson" writes: > I seem too have things set up according to the instructions on the gnopernicus and brltty pages and I can even tell that brltty is running as a proccess undr the gnome/gnopernicus console however nothing comes out on my alva when I am in xwindows/gnome. THe cursor just sits in the upper left corner and nothing show on the display even though I can move around with it. > > Does anyone have any ideas what might be the problem? > > Tom -- CYa, Mario | Debian Developer | Get my public key via finger mlang@db.debian.org | 1024D/7FC1A0854909BCCDBE6C102DDFFC022A6B113E44 From alpuzz@comcast.net Sat Dec 6 23:22:44 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 966541833B for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 23:22:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from tecra8100 (bgp01091460bgs.waren401.mi.comcast.net[68.43.185.118]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20031207042237016001jqu0e>; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 04:22:37 +0000 Message-ID: <001a01c3bc7a$19c3cc00$6900a8c0@waren401.mi.comcast.net> From: "Al Puzzuoli" To: Subject: Building Gnopernicus from cvs? Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 23:25:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01C3BC50.307FE700" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C3BC50.307FE700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I am attempting to build the cvs version of Gnopernicus in hopes that = it will resolve my crashing issue. I am apparently missing a step. I = am using a standard installation of Fedora core. When I attempt to run = ./autogen.sh I get the following: "You need to install the gnome-common modual and make sure the = gnome-autogen.sh script is in your path". Any info as to how to proceed would be great. Thanks, ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C3BC50.307FE700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
 
I am attempting to build  the cvs = version of=20 Gnopernicus in hopes that it will resolve my crashing issue.  I am=20 apparently missing a step.  I am using a standard installation of = Fedora=20 core.  When I attempt to run ./autogen.sh I get the = following:
 
"You need to install the gnome-common = modual and=20 make sure the gnome-autogen.sh script is in your path".
 
Any info as to how to proceed would be=20 great.
 
Thanks,
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C3BC50.307FE700-- From malcolm@commsecure.com.au Sun Dec 7 00:06:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from commsecure.com.au (CommSecureAustPtyLtd.sb1.optus.net.au [203.202.148.106]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CD3018198 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 00:06:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from sunhill.commsecure.com.au (sunhill.commsecure.com.au [172.16.15.1]) by commsecure.com.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hB756Y724486 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 16:06:34 +1100 Received: from [172.16.14.3] (dialin-03.commsecure.com.au [172.16.14.3]) by sunhill.commsecure.com.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hB756be19095 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 16:06:37 +1100 Subject: Re: Building Gnopernicus from cvs? From: Malcolm Tredinnick To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <001a01c3bc7a$19c3cc00$6900a8c0@waren401.mi.comcast.net> References: <001a01c3bc7a$19c3cc00$6900a8c0@waren401.mi.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1070773602.3186.14.camel@quirm.tredinnick.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 (1.4.5-7) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 16:06:43 +1100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sun, 2003-12-07 at 15:25, Al Puzzuoli wrote: > Hi all, > > I am attempting to build the cvs version of Gnopernicus in hopes that > it will resolve my crashing issue. I am apparently missing a step. I > am using a standard installation of Fedora core. When I attempt to > run ./autogen.sh I get the following: > > "You need to install the gnome-common modual and make sure the > gnome-autogen.sh script is in your path". > > Any info as to how to proceed would be great. At the risk of repeating the error message, you need to install the gnome-common module. You can either download it from GNOME CVS or get a tarball from http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/gnome-common/2.4/ This module contains a bunch of common m4 macros and some build scripts (like a standard autogen.sh) so that packages don't all have to ship duplicate copies and so that we can fix bugs in one location and have them filter out to all packages that use this module. Malcolm From kd7cyu@yahoo.com Sun Dec 7 12:21:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.11.34]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C2BC618BD9 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 12:21:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown (HELO tom) (kd7cyu@216.173.216.10 with login) by smtp003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2003 17:21:16 -0000 Message-ID: <001d01c3bce6$8b16e7e0$0200000a@tom> From: "Tom Masterson" To: "Mario Lang" Cc: References: <004b01c3bb79$53d598d0$0200000a@tom> <873cbyb5au.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> Subject: Re: gnopernicus and brltty Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 09:21:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi Well the key file is readable by anyone and setting the environment variable did not help. I do still get one error on boot up which reads "unable too find /var/run/brltty.pid". This may not be an exact quote but it is close enough. I have not considered this serious but... Any more ideas as too what might be the reason for it not working with gnopernicus. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mario Lang" To: "Tom Masterson" Cc: Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 02:37 Subject: Re: gnopernicus and brltty > Hi. > > DId you check if the environment variable CONTROLVT is correctly > set (on most systems, it would be set to 7). > > Another possibility is the key file, is it readable with the user that > starts gnome? > > "Tom Masterson" writes: > > > I seem too have things set up according to the instructions on the gnopernicus and brltty pages and I can even tell that brltty is running as a proccess undr the gnome/gnopernicus console however nothing comes out on my alva when I am in xwindows/gnome. THe cursor just sits in the upper left corner and nothing show on the display even though I can move around with it. > > > > Does anyone have any ideas what might be the problem? > > > > Tom > > -- > CYa, > Mario | Debian Developer > | Get my public key via finger mlang@db.debian.org > | 1024D/7FC1A0854909BCCDBE6C102DDFFC022A6B113E44 > From jschmude@adelphia.net Mon Dec 8 06:11:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from mta11.adelphia.net (mta11.adelphia.net [68.168.78.205]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2061C180FA for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 06:11:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from beavis ([24.49.58.24]) by mta11.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031208111202.DQUS13090.mta11.adelphia.net@beavis> for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 06:12:02 -0500 Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.1.20031207201604.01bbf920@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: jschmude@mail.adelphia.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 20:18:26 -0500 To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org From: Jacob Schmude Subject: accessible GDM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 12/5/2003), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi guys I'm trying to make GDM talk. I've gone back into the archives and have added the gtkmodules to gdm.conf. I then edited the accesskey config file and put my entry for gnopernicus in there. NOw, when I press the key (ctrl+n) gnopernicus starts, but I don't get any speech. I can tell its running by logging into a text console and looking at the processes, but it just doesn't say anything. Anyone gotten this to work successfully? What am I missing here? From Brian.Cameron@Sun.COM Mon Dec 8 09:17:58 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (nwkea-mail-1.sun.com [192.18.42.13]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E95218448 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 09:17:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from phys-ita01-1 ([129.153.224.1]) by nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hB8EHvUP012967 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 06:17:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from Sun.COM (sr-edub03-03.Ireland.Sun.COM [129.156.220.17]) by ita01-mail1.central.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HPK00BEQY1Q7A@ita01-mail1.central.sun.com> for gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 08:10:40 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 14:10:37 +0000 From: Brian Cameron Subject: Re: accessible GDM To: Jacob Schmude Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Reply-To: Brian.Cameron@Sun.COM Message-id: <3FD4865D.1070803@Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS sun4u; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020920 Netscape/7.0 References: <6.0.1.1.1.20031207201604.01bbf920@127.0.0.1> Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Jacob: > I'm trying to make GDM talk. I've gone back into the archives and have > added the gtkmodules to gdm.conf. I then edited the accesskey config > file and put my entry for gnopernicus in there. NOw, when I press the > key (ctrl+n) gnopernicus starts, but I don't get any speech. I can tell > its running by logging into a text console and looking at the processes, > but it just doesn't say anything. Anyone gotten this to work > successfully? What am I missing here? gdm and gnopernicus do not yet play well together. The problem you describe with text-to-speech not working is a known problem. The issues are documented in the following bug: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122459 I haven't yet had time to look into what is causing the problem. It could be something as simple as the gdm user not having proper permissions to /dev/audio. Brian From anders@noddle.net Mon Dec 8 18:56:15 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from duck.marlowes.com (duck.marlowes.com [195.67.103.24]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA73318433 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 18:56:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.16.2.13] (h58n2fls31o824.telia.com [212.181.205.58]) (authenticated bits=0) by duck.marlowes.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hB8NrVwQ006361 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 00:53:31 +0100 Subject: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters From: Anders Karlsson To: gnome-accessibility-list Content-Type: text/plain; charset= Message-Id: <1070927767.6941.13.camel@balder.home.noddle.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 (1.4.5-7) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 00:56:07 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi I have noticed that the Swedish characters åäö ÅÄÖ does not display the right way on my daughters braille display. For the moment she is using an BRAILLEX ELba, but it's the same problem as on her old Tieman CombiBraille. When using Swedish translation table all those characters above is dot 8 (i believe it's 8, the bottom right?). If i switch to German translation table i get some caracters but not the right one's. Does anybody have a hint how i correct this problem? Best regards /Anders -- Anders Karlsson From jasonjgw@pacific.net.au Mon Dec 8 21:25:09 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from snoopy.pacific.net.au (snoopy.pacific.net.au [61.8.0.36]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F4C618129 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 21:25:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mongrel.pacific.net.au (mongrel.pacific.net.au [61.8.0.107]) by snoopy.pacific.net.au (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id hB92P2no030628; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:25:02 +1100 Received: from jdc.local (dyn172.mel2.homedsl.pacific.net.au [203.100.245.172]) by mongrel.pacific.net.au (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id hB92Otxs020550; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:25:01 +1100 Received: from jdc.local (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jdc.local (8.12.10/8.12.10/Debian-5) with ESMTP id hB92OtX5000971; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:24:55 +1100 Received: (from jason@localhost) by jdc.local (8.12.10/8.12.10/Debian-5) id hB92Ot4O000964; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:24:55 +1100 From: Jason White MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <16341.12919.174790.662104@jdc.local> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:24:55 +1100 To: Anders Karlsson Cc: gnome-accessibility-list Subject: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters In-Reply-To: <1070927767.6941.13.camel@balder.home.noddle.net> References: <1070927767.6941.13.camel@balder.home.noddle.net> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under Emacs 21.3.1 Reply-To: jasonw@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Anders Karlsson writes: >=20 > I have noticed that the Swedish characters =C3=A5=C3=A4=C3=B6 =C3=1B= ,TC=C3=96=1B(B does not display the > right way on my daughters braille display.=20 The solution is to write a Swedish character table. First, find out what the correct braille representations are for all of the characters that occur in Swedish text (letters, accented letters, numerals, punctuation), then write a correct table which can be contributed to BrlTTY and Gnopernicus for inclusion in a subsequent release. You may find it easier to modify an existing table, but be sure that, in the end, all of the characters conform to Swedish computer braille standards, whatever those are. From mlang@lexx.delysid.org Tue Dec 9 05:21:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from lexx.delysid.org (chello080109223065.lancity.graz.surfer.at [80.109.223.65]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BA0A1870D for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 05:21:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mlang by lexx.delysid.org with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1ATez0-0003Er-00; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 11:20:46 +0100 To: jasonw@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au Cc: Anders Karlsson , gnome-accessibility-list Subject: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters From: Mario Lang In-Reply-To: <16341.12919.174790.662104@jdc.local> (Jason White's message of "Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:24:55 +1100") References: <1070927767.6941.13.camel@balder.home.noddle.net> <16341.12919.174790.662104@jdc.local> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 11:20:46 +0100 Message-ID: <874qwa47i9.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Jason White writes: > Anders Karlsson writes: > >=20 > > I have noticed that the Swedish characters =C3=83=C2=A5=C3=83=C2=A4=C3= =83=C2=B6 =C3=83=1B,TC=C3=83=C2=96=1B(B does not display the > > right way on my daughters braille display.=20 > > The solution is to write a Swedish character table. First, find out > what the correct braille representations are for all of the characters > that occur in Swedish text (letters, accented letters, numerals, > punctuation), then write a correct table which can be contributed to > BrlTTY and Gnopernicus for inclusion in a subsequent release. BRLTTY does already have two swedish text translation tables. --=20 CYa, Mario | Debian Developer | Get my public key via finger mlang@db.debian.org | 1024D/7FC1A0854909BCCDBE6C102DDFFC022A6B113E44 From anders@noddle.net Tue Dec 9 05:24:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from duck.marlowes.com (duck.marlowes.com [195.67.103.24]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 023D818424 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 05:24:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.16.2.13] (h58n2fls31o824.telia.com [212.181.205.58]) (authenticated bits=0) by duck.marlowes.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hB9ALxwQ026624; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 11:21:59 +0100 Subject: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters From: Anders Karlsson To: Mario Lang Cc: gnome-accessibility-list In-Reply-To: <874qwa47i9.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> References: <1070927767.6941.13.camel@balder.home.noddle.net> <16341.12919.174790.662104@jdc.local> <874qwa47i9.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset= Message-Id: <1070965481.1529.32.camel@balder.home.noddle.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 (1.4.5-7) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 11:24:42 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi. So, if thats the solution, where do i find editable verions of the gnopernicus tables? As far as i can understand they are in binary format in the gnopernicus source. I did forget to mention, that when running BRLTTY from text-mode the characters are displayed correctly, so i belive the problem is in gnopernicus. /Anders On Tue, 2003-12-09 at 11:20, Mario Lang wrote: > Jason White writes: > > > Anders Karlsson writes: > > > > > > I have noticed that the Swedish characters åäö Ã,TCÖ(B does not display the > > > right way on my daughters braille display. > > > > The solution is to write a Swedish character table. First, find out > > what the correct braille representations are for all of the characters > > that occur in Swedish text (letters, accented letters, numerals, > > punctuation), then write a correct table which can be contributed to > > BrlTTY and Gnopernicus for inclusion in a subsequent release. > > BRLTTY does already have two swedish text translation tables. From deedra@dmwaters.us Tue Dec 9 14:03:24 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.64]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FB9B18170 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:03:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from simba ([68.212.8.108]) by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031209190323.LNAX1876.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@simba> for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:03:23 -0500 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:02:47 -0600 (CST) From: Deedra Waters X-X-Sender: dmwaters@simba To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I posted some of theese questions before, but never got an answer, so will post again. I'm having trouble getting gnome to reat the text in things like mozilla. it tells me that there is a block of text, but it does not read the actual text. is there a way to make it read this text? Also, I just did a fresh install of gnome/gnopernicus etc, but I'm having trouble finding what I'd call the equivelent of the start menu. Is there some shortcut key for this? I seem to be basically confined to the desktop and gnopernicus windows, and can't get to any other programs. If someone could please give me some ideas on how to dealwith theese, I could greatly appreciate it. - -- Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/1hxdU5AGPOTGNc8RAnt/AKCpifi1PmetZ8OkYsVCv+7QDmlT5ACfXx5O iNbAoLIGAPNLAgQ1AT7j7NM= =NBsc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mlang@lexx.delysid.org Tue Dec 9 15:18:57 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from lexx.delysid.org (chello080109223065.lancity.graz.surfer.at [80.109.223.65]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7096D1814F for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 15:18:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mlang by lexx.delysid.org with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1AToJf-0005om-00; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 21:18:43 +0100 To: Deedra Waters Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome From: Mario Lang In-Reply-To: (Deedra Waters's message of "Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:02:47 -0600 (CST)") References: Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 21:18:43 +0100 Message-ID: <87iskp3fto.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Deedra Waters writes: > I'm having trouble getting gnome to reat the text in things like mozilla. it > tells me that there is a block of text, but it does not read the actual text. > is there a way to make it read this text? I'm afraid for now, you have to use flat review mode to access multiline text. Except where the field supports a cursor, then you can navigate using that. > Also, I just did a fresh install of gnome/gnopernicus etc, but I'm having > trouble finding what I'd call the equivelent of the start menu. Is there some > shortcut key for this? I seem to be basically confined to the desktop and > gnopernicus windows, and can't get to any other programs. Ctrl-F1 or Alt-F1, forgot which, and dont have a running X right now to test. Alt-F2 might also proove to be helpful, which can be used to launch apps by executable name. However, you should really read the GNOME Accessibility Guide, especially the keyboard navigation section. -- CYa, Mario | Debian Developer | Get my public key via finger mlang@db.debian.org | 1024D/7FC1A0854909BCCDBE6C102DDFFC022A6B113E44 From Bill.Haneman@Sun.COM Tue Dec 9 17:04:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5753818DE9 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 17:04:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from phys-eris-1 ([129.156.85.25]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hB9M4BPh020046 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 15:04:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from sun.com (dbl-isdn-101.Ireland.Sun.COM [129.156.227.101]) by eris-mail1.uk.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HPN003QIEMYM6@eris-mail1.uk.sun.com> for gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 22:04:11 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 22:04:13 +0000 From: Bill Haneman Subject: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters In-reply-to: <20031209170011.30613.30646.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Message-id: <3FD646DD.50705@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20031103 References: <20031209170011.30613.30646.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Anders wrote: >Hi > >I have noticed that the Swedish characters åäö ÅÄÖ does not display the >right way on my daughters braille display. > Anders/all: can you forward some web pointers to documentation about non-english (for instance, swedish) and _especially_ non-latin braille encoding? We and the BAUM team are currently discussing a general-purpose architecture for braille output that could handle the general case of unicode input. There are a number of issues that arise, but in order to design intelligently we need to gather information on the available braille encodings out there. It's already clear that there won't be a one-to-one mapping between POSIX locales and braille encodings, and there won't be one-to-one mappings for particular unicode 'code pages' either (there isn't even that for English ;-) regards Bill >For the moment she is using an BRAILLEX ELba, but it's the same problem >as on her old Tieman CombiBraille. >When using Swedish translation table all those characters above is dot 8 >(i believe it's 8, the bottom right?). If i switch to German translation >table i get some caracters but not the right one's. >Does anybody have a hint how i correct this problem? > >Best regards > >/Anders > > > From jasonw@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au Tue Dec 9 18:21:26 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.20.3]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ACEC18681 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 18:21:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hB9NLN22015283 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:21:23 +1100 (EST) Received: from localhost (jasonw@localhost) by ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (8.12.10/8.12.3) with ESMTP id hB9NLN5Q015279 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:21:23 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:21:23 +1100 (EST) From: Jason White To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters In-Reply-To: <3FD646DD.50705@sun.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Am I correct in assuming that the BrlTTY tables are mapped to ISO 8859-1? If so, what is Gnopernicus producing when it sends output to BrlTTY? I agree that a general architecture for braille character output is desirable. If Gnopernicus is sending Unicode (most likely UTF8) encoding, this could be the source of the mismatch with BrlTTY. From tward1978@earthlink.net Tue Dec 9 19:25:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net (cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.226]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC09418406 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 19:25:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdn-ap-030ilchicp0286.dialsprint.net ([65.178.179.32] helo=noneflzmskjmuf) by cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1ATsAV-0001wM-00; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 16:25:31 -0800 Message-ID: <006301c3beb4$261ad7f0$20b3b241@noneflzmskjmuf> From: "Tom and Esther Ward" To: "Deedra Waters" Cc: References: Subject: Re: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 19:25:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi. Under Gnome there is the main panel menu which is almost like the start menu under windows. There is two ways of opening this menu. To access this menu via the keyboard press alt+f1. You can also tab to the main panel menu button while the main panel has focus and press space bar on the button to activate it. To quickly launch applications via the run dialog use alt+f2. As for reading blocks of text that are dificult to read you must use flat review mode. Note, flat review is broken under gnopernicus 0.7 and 0.7.1. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deedra Waters" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 2:02 PM Subject: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I posted some of theese questions before, but never got an answer, so will post > again. > I'm having trouble getting gnome to reat the text in things like mozilla. it > tells me that there is a block of text, but it does not read the actual text. > is there a way to make it read this text? > > Also, I just did a fresh install of gnome/gnopernicus etc, but I'm having > trouble finding what I'd call the equivelent of the start menu. Is there some > shortcut key for this? I seem to be basically confined to the desktop and > gnopernicus windows, and can't get to any other programs. > > If someone could please give me some ideas on how to dealwith theese, I could > greatly appreciate it. > > > - -- > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE/1hxdU5AGPOTGNc8RAnt/AKCpifi1PmetZ8OkYsVCv+7QDmlT5ACfXx5O > iNbAoLIGAPNLAgQ1AT7j7NM= > =NBsc > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > From deedra@dmwaters.us Tue Dec 9 19:59:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.67]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBEDF18C75 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 19:59:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from simba ([68.212.8.108]) by imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031210005931.BKBO1942.imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net@simba>; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 19:59:31 -0500 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 18:58:54 -0600 (CST) From: Deedra Waters X-X-Sender: dmwaters@simba To: Tom and Esther Ward Cc: Deedra Waters , gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome In-Reply-To: <006301c3beb4$261ad7f0$20b3b241@noneflzmskjmuf> Message-ID: References: <006301c3beb4$261ad7f0$20b3b241@noneflzmskjmuf> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hmm, does cvs gnopernicus have a fix for the flat review thing? not being able to read blocks of text makes my life pretty dificult, especially when I want to look at webpages, (assuming I can get mozilla to behave in this install) Also, is there some setting I need to enable to make mozilla work better with accessibility? I seem to be having some slight trouble with it this time around. I'm also curious as to what email and office clients might be the most accessible with gnopernicus. Thanks! On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Tom and Esther Ward wrote: > Hi. > Under Gnome there is the main panel menu which is almost like the start menu > under windows. There is two ways of opening this menu. > To access this menu via the keyboard press alt+f1. You can also tab to the > main panel menu button while the main panel has focus and press space bar on > the button to activate it. > To quickly launch applications via the run dialog use alt+f2. > As for reading blocks of text that are dificult to read you must use flat > review mode. Note, flat review is broken under gnopernicus 0.7 and 0.7.1. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Deedra Waters" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 2:02 PM > Subject: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > I posted some of theese questions before, but never got an answer, so will > post > > again. > > I'm having trouble getting gnome to reat the text in things like mozilla. > it > > tells me that there is a block of text, but it does not read the actual > text. > > is there a way to make it read this text? > > > > Also, I just did a fresh install of gnome/gnopernicus etc, but I'm having > > trouble finding what I'd call the equivelent of the start menu. Is there > some > > shortcut key for this? I seem to be basically confined to the desktop and > > gnopernicus windows, and can't get to any other programs. > > > > If someone could please give me some ideas on how to dealwith theese, I > could > > greatly appreciate it. > > > > > > - -- > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQE/1hxdU5AGPOTGNc8RAnt/AKCpifi1PmetZ8OkYsVCv+7QDmlT5ACfXx5O > > iNbAoLIGAPNLAgQ1AT7j7NM= > > =NBsc > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > - -- Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/1m/VU5AGPOTGNc8RAp1GAKCJGZKhXV46BSeQ2DNYvv9TuSwsLQCgjc4d bUyJ2WOYu0V/kXzBv2QV3kM= =xL0U -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tward1978@earthlink.net Tue Dec 9 21:04:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFCB818E8C for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 21:04:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdn-ap-025ilchicp0185.dialsprint.net ([65.178.128.185] helo=noneflzmskjmuf) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1ATthn-00033s-00; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 18:04:00 -0800 Message-ID: <005c01c3bec1$e2ad7550$b980b241@noneflzmskjmuf> From: "Tom and Esther Ward" To: "Deedra Waters" Cc: References: <006301c3beb4$261ad7f0$20b3b241@noneflzmskjmuf> Subject: Re: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 21:04:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi. The only office packages that work with gnopernicus is Openoffice v1.1 and Staroffice 7.0. In order to get these office applications to work with speech you must have the j2sdk 1.4.2, the gnome java-access-bridge compiled and installed from cvs, and all the proper orbitrc entries in your .orbitrc file. Mozilla is still a trouble spot for me as well. I myself don't get much accessibility from it yet, and I have not completely found the most accessible setup for Mozilla myself. As for email that also has some problems. Balsa is accessible, but it seams several of us have troubles getting smtp working in balsa. If you can get passed the smtp problems balsa might be your best choice. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deedra Waters" To: "Tom and Esther Ward" Cc: "Deedra Waters" ; Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 7:58 PM Subject: Re: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hmm, does cvs gnopernicus have a fix for the flat review thing? not being able to read blocks of text makes my life pretty dificult, especially when I want to look at webpages, (assuming I can get mozilla to behave in this install) > > Also, is there some setting I need to enable to make mozilla work better with accessibility? I seem to be having some slight trouble with it this time around. > > I'm also curious as to what email and office clients might be the most accessible with gnopernicus. > > Thanks! > > On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Tom and Esther Ward wrote: > > > Hi. > > Under Gnome there is the main panel menu which is almost like the start menu > > under windows. There is two ways of opening this menu. > > To access this menu via the keyboard press alt+f1. You can also tab to the > > main panel menu button while the main panel has focus and press space bar on > > the button to activate it. > > To quickly launch applications via the run dialog use alt+f2. > > As for reading blocks of text that are dificult to read you must use flat > > review mode. Note, flat review is broken under gnopernicus 0.7 and 0.7.1. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Deedra Waters" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 2:02 PM > > Subject: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > I posted some of theese questions before, but never got an answer, so will > > post > > > again. > > > I'm having trouble getting gnome to reat the text in things like mozilla. > > it > > > tells me that there is a block of text, but it does not read the actual > > text. > > > is there a way to make it read this text? > > > > > > Also, I just did a fresh install of gnome/gnopernicus etc, but I'm having > > > trouble finding what I'd call the equivelent of the start menu. Is there > > some > > > shortcut key for this? I seem to be basically confined to the desktop and > > > gnopernicus windows, and can't get to any other programs. > > > > > > If someone could please give me some ideas on how to dealwith theese, I > > could > > > greatly appreciate it. > > > > > > > > > - -- > > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > iD8DBQE/1hxdU5AGPOTGNc8RAnt/AKCpifi1PmetZ8OkYsVCv+7QDmlT5ACfXx5O > > > iNbAoLIGAPNLAgQ1AT7j7NM= > > > =NBsc > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > > > > > > - -- > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE/1m/VU5AGPOTGNc8RAp1GAKCJGZKhXV46BSeQ2DNYvv9TuSwsLQCgjc4d > bUyJ2WOYu0V/kXzBv2QV3kM= > =xL0U > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From deedra@dmwaters.us Tue Dec 9 22:12:24 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.71]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E732181CF for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:12:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from simba ([68.212.8.108]) by imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031210031223.ZPRW29800.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@simba>; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:12:23 -0500 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 21:11:51 -0600 (CST) From: Deedra Waters X-X-Sender: dmwaters@simba To: Tom and Esther Ward Cc: Deedra Waters , gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome In-Reply-To: <005c01c3bec1$e2ad7550$b980b241@noneflzmskjmuf> Message-ID: References: <006301c3beb4$261ad7f0$20b3b241@noneflzmskjmuf> <005c01c3bec1$e2ad7550$b980b241@noneflzmskjmuf> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hrmm,I seem to be having some serious trouble with the website to get the j2sdk stuff. Is there an alternative site or something that I can get this package with out running in circles and not getting anywhere? It appears as if this site is using java script, which is making it so that those who use lynx can't exactly get it. For example, once I get through the license agreement, I can't figure out where to go from there at all. On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Tom and Esther Ward wrote: > Hi. > The only office packages that work with gnopernicus is Openoffice v1.1 and > Staroffice 7.0. > In order to get these office applications to work with speech you must have > the j2sdk 1.4.2, the gnome java-access-bridge compiled and installed from > cvs, and all the proper orbitrc entries in your .orbitrc file. > Mozilla is still a trouble spot for me as well. I myself don't get much > accessibility from it yet, and I have not completely found the most > accessible setup for Mozilla myself. > As for email that also has some problems. Balsa is accessible, but it seams > several of us have troubles getting smtp working in balsa. > If you can get passed the smtp problems balsa might be your best choice. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Deedra Waters" > To: "Tom and Esther Ward" > Cc: "Deedra Waters" ; > > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 7:58 PM > Subject: Re: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Hmm, does cvs gnopernicus have a fix for the flat review thing? not being > able to read blocks of text makes my life pretty dificult, especially when I > want to look at webpages, (assuming I can get mozilla to behave in this > install) > > > > Also, is there some setting I need to enable to make mozilla work better > with accessibility? I seem to be having some slight trouble with it this > time around. > > > > I'm also curious as to what email and office clients might be the most > accessible with gnopernicus. > > > > Thanks! > > > > On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Tom and Esther Ward wrote: > > > > > Hi. > > > Under Gnome there is the main panel menu which is almost like the start > menu > > > under windows. There is two ways of opening this menu. > > > To access this menu via the keyboard press alt+f1. You can also tab to > the > > > main panel menu button while the main panel has focus and press space > bar on > > > the button to activate it. > > > To quickly launch applications via the run dialog use alt+f2. > > > As for reading blocks of text that are dificult to read you must use > flat > > > review mode. Note, flat review is broken under gnopernicus 0.7 and > 0.7.1. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Deedra Waters" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 2:02 PM > > > Subject: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome > > > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > > I posted some of theese questions before, but never got an answer, so > will > > > post > > > > again. > > > > I'm having trouble getting gnome to reat the text in things like > mozilla. > > > it > > > > tells me that there is a block of text, but it does not read the > actual > > > text. > > > > is there a way to make it read this text? > > > > > > > > Also, I just did a fresh install of gnome/gnopernicus etc, but I'm > having > > > > trouble finding what I'd call the equivelent of the start menu. Is > there > > > some > > > > shortcut key for this? I seem to be basically confined to the desktop > and > > > > gnopernicus windows, and can't get to any other programs. > > > > > > > > If someone could please give me some ideas on how to dealwith theese, > I > > > could > > > > greatly appreciate it. > > > > > > > > > > > > - -- > > > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > > > iD8DBQE/1hxdU5AGPOTGNc8RAnt/AKCpifi1PmetZ8OkYsVCv+7QDmlT5ACfXx5O > > > > iNbAoLIGAPNLAgQ1AT7j7NM= > > > > =NBsc > > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - -- > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQE/1m/VU5AGPOTGNc8RAp1GAKCJGZKhXV46BSeQ2DNYvv9TuSwsLQCgjc4d > > bUyJ2WOYu0V/kXzBv2QV3kM= > > =xL0U > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > - -- Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/1o79U5AGPOTGNc8RAggzAKCM82bxas9HE3JwqeK1tGxR/fzHHgCfVZkT 0s2HMeitR2SYvEmOf7Wdheg= =YdTY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mike.pedersen@sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 9 22:22:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.84]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 94473181CF for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:22:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown (HELO mpedersenpc) (mike.pedersen@sbcglobal.net@64.167.99.224 with login) by smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 03:22:28 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Mike Pedersen" To: "'Deedra Waters'" , "'Tom and Esther Ward'" Cc: Subject: RE: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 19:22:49 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c3becc$e48f53b0$0500a8c0@mpedersenpc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: You might try www.blackdown.org. That used to be another source before = it was easy to get from Sun. =20 regards Mike Pedersen=20 -----Original Message----- From: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org [mailto:gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org] On Behalf Of Deedra = Waters Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 7:12 PM To: Tom and Esther Ward Cc: Deedra Waters; gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hrmm,I seem to be having some serious trouble with the website to get = the j2sdk stuff. Is there an alternative site or something that I can get = this package with out running in circles and not getting anywhere? It appears = as if this site is using java script, which is making it so that those who = use lynx can't exactly get it. For example, once I get through the license agreement, I can't figure out where to go from there at all. On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Tom and Esther Ward wrote: > Hi. > The only office packages that work with gnopernicus is Openoffice v1.1 = > and Staroffice 7.0. In order to get these office applications to work=20 > with speech you must have the j2sdk 1.4.2, the gnome=20 > java-access-bridge compiled and installed from cvs, and all the=20 > proper orbitrc entries in your .orbitrc file. Mozilla is still a=20 > trouble spot for me as well. I myself don't get much accessibility=20 > from it yet, and I have not completely found the most accessible=20 > setup for Mozilla myself. As for email that also has some problems.=20 > Balsa is accessible, but it seams several of us have troubles getting=20 > smtp working in balsa. If you can get passed the smtp problems balsa=20 > might be your best choice. >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Deedra Waters" > To: "Tom and Esther Ward" > Cc: "Deedra Waters" ;=20 > > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 7:58 PM > Subject: Re: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome >=20 >=20 > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Hmm, does cvs gnopernicus have a fix for the flat review thing? not=20 > > being > able to read blocks of text makes my life pretty dificult, especially=20 > when I want to look at webpages, (assuming I can get mozilla to=20 > behave in this > install) > > > > Also, is there some setting I need to enable to make mozilla work=20 > > better > with accessibility? I seem to be having some slight trouble with it=20 > this time around. > > > > I'm also curious as to what email and office clients might be the=20 > > most > accessible with gnopernicus. > > > > Thanks! > > > > On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Tom and Esther Ward wrote: > > > > > Hi. > > > Under Gnome there is the main panel menu which is almost like the=20 > > > start > menu > > > under windows. There is two ways of opening this menu. To access=20 > > > this menu via the keyboard press alt+f1. You can also tab to > the > > > main panel menu button while the main panel has focus and press=20 > > > space > bar on > > > the button to activate it. > > > To quickly launch applications via the run dialog use alt+f2. As=20 > > > for reading blocks of text that are dificult to read you must use > flat > > > review mode. Note, flat review is broken under gnopernicus 0.7 and > 0.7.1. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Deedra Waters" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 2:02 PM > > > Subject: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome > > > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > > I posted some of theese questions before, but never got an=20 > > > > answer, so > will > > > post > > > > again. > > > > I'm having trouble getting gnome to reat the text in things like > mozilla. > > > it > > > > tells me that there is a block of text, but it does not read the > actual > > > text. > > > > is there a way to make it read this text? > > > > > > > > Also, I just did a fresh install of gnome/gnopernicus etc, but=20 > > > > I'm > having > > > > trouble finding what I'd call the equivelent of the start menu.=20 > > > > Is > there > > > some > > > > shortcut key for this? I seem to be basically confined to the=20 > > > > desktop > and > > > > gnopernicus windows, and can't get to any other programs. > > > > > > > > If someone could please give me some ideas on how to dealwith=20 > > > > theese, > I > > > could > > > > greatly appreciate it. > > > > > > > > > > > > - -- > > > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net ,=20 > > > > http://www.freenode.net > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > > > iD8DBQE/1hxdU5AGPOTGNc8RAnt/AKCpifi1PmetZ8OkYsVCv+7QDmlT5ACfXx5O > > > > iNbAoLIGAPNLAgQ1AT7j7NM=3D > > > > =3DNBsc > > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----=20 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list=20 > > > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - -- > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net ,=20 > > http://www.freenode.net > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQE/1m/VU5AGPOTGNc8RAp1GAKCJGZKhXV46BSeQ2DNYvv9TuSwsLQCgjc4d > > bUyJ2WOYu0V/kXzBv2QV3kM=3D > > =3DxL0U > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >=20 >=20 - --=20 Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/1o79U5AGPOTGNc8RAggzAKCM82bxas9HE3JwqeK1tGxR/fzHHgCfVZkT 0s2HMeitR2SYvEmOf7Wdheg=3D =3DYdTY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- = _______________________________________________ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list From dave@mielke.cc Tue Dec 9 22:41:47 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from mielke.cc (unknown [24.157.218.227]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 225601870A for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:41:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.private.mielke.cc (alpha.private.mielke.cc [192.168.0.2]) by mielke.cc (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBA3fcr31689; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:41:39 -0500 Received: from alpha.private.mielke.cc (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpha.private.mielke.cc (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBA3fbP6016357; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:41:38 -0500 Received: (from dave@localhost) by alpha.private.mielke.cc (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBA3faJf016355; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:41:37 -0500 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:41:36 -0500 From: Dave Mielke To: Jason White Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters Message-ID: <20031210034136.GN20138@alpha.private.mielke.cc> References: <3FD646DD.50705@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: [quoted lines by Jason White on 2003/12/10 at 10:21 +1100] >Am I correct in assuming that the BrlTTY tables are mapped to ISO 8859-1? Almost. Some are based on other character sets. In general, the current practice is to base the table for any given language on the character set which is typically used by users of that language. The Polsih table, for example, is based on ISO-8859-2. This will all be changing shortly when BRLTTY becomes Unicode-based. At that time, all of its tables will become Unicode-based as well. >If so, what is Gnopernicus producing when it sends output to BrlTTY? Gnopernicus, at present, sends raw dot patterns to BRLTTY. I'm planning to pursue getting Gnopernicus to send text-based, rather than dot-based, data to BRLTTY soon. -- Dave Mielke | 2213 Fox Crescent | I believe that the Bible is the Phone: 1-613-726-0014 | Ottawa, Ontario | Word of God. Please contact me EMail: dave@mielke.cc | Canada K2A 1H7 | if you're concerned about Hell. http://familyradio.com/ | http://mielke.cc/bible/ From Peter.Korn@Sun.COM Wed Dec 10 01:15:15 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (nwkea-mail-1.sun.com [192.18.42.13]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E9E718216 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 01:15:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from phys-d3-ha21sca-1 ([129.145.155.163]) by nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBA6FDUP010697 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:15:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun.com (vpn-129-150-16-224.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.16.224]) by ha21sca-mail1.sfbay.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HPO007MC1DD53@ha21sca-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> for gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 22:15:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 22:15:12 -0800 From: Peter Korn Subject: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters To: Dave Mielke Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Message-id: <3FD6B9F0.1000406@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 References: <3FD646DD.50705@sun.com> <20031210034136.GN20138@alpha.private.mielke.cc> Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi David, >>If so, what is Gnopernicus producing when it sends output to BrlTTY? > > Gnopernicus, at present, sends raw dot patterns to BRLTTY. I'm planning to > pursue getting Gnopernicus to send text-based, rather than dot-based, data to > BRLTTY soon. Gnopernicus has a variety of non-text dot patterns used to indicate a variety of things. What thoughts do you have on how those could be preserved yet have Gnopernicus send text for the text portions? Also, as Bill noted, we do need to address the problem of Braille table localization for a very wide set of languages (which may be interspersed within a single document, ideally with appropriate language tagging). Do you have any thoughts on where the right place to address that is and how? Regards, Peter Korn Sun Accessibility team From jjig99@yahoo.es Wed Dec 10 04:29:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from mx.once.es (mx.once.es [194.224.11.131]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B36D18EDF for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 04:29:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from omail01.once.org (oncent.once.es [172.24.1.51]) by mx.once.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 603411BF27F; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:43:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from EBCONF (I25833 [10.41.30.10]) by omail01.once.org with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id YSMA4XB6; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:29:35 +0100 Subject: Re: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome From: Juan Ramon Jimenez Garcia Reply-To: jjig99@yahoo.es To: Tom and Esther Ward Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <005c01c3bec1$e2ad7550$b980b241@noneflzmskjmuf> References: <006301c3beb4$261ad7f0$20b3b241@noneflzmskjmuf> <005c01c3bec1$e2ad7550$b980b241@noneflzmskjmuf> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Message-Id: <1071048660.669.19.camel@I25833.once.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:31:00 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi all...... I am beginning to use gnopernicus and i am very interested in being able to accede to a office package like openoffice. I have downloaded j2sdk and I have installed it, but i don't know how to configure it correctly to use with gnopernicus.=20 Now, when i open a document with openoffice, it does not reproduce any sound and braille device doesn't write anything. When i close openoffice, gnopernicus continues ok. I'll be very gratefull if you could explain to me how to make accessible openoffice (or send me a link to read any docs....) Thank you very much in advance Juan Ramon =20 El mi=E9, 10-12-2003 a las 03:04, Tom and Esther Ward escribi=F3: > Hi. > The only office packages that work with gnopernicus is Openoffice v1.1 an= d > Staroffice 7.0. > In order to get these office applications to work with speech you must ha= ve > the j2sdk 1.4.2, the gnome java-access-bridge compiled and installed from > cvs, and all the proper orbitrc entries in your .orbitrc file. > Mozilla is still a trouble spot for me as well. I myself don't get much > accessibility from it yet, and I have not completely found the most > accessible setup for Mozilla myself. > As for email that also has some problems. Balsa is accessible, but it sea= ms > several of us have troubles getting smtp working in balsa. > If you can get passed the smtp problems balsa might be your best choice. >=20 From mlang@lexx.delysid.org Wed Dec 10 05:40:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from lexx.delysid.org (chello080109223065.lancity.graz.surfer.at [80.109.223.65]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED4AE18F15 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 05:40:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mlang by lexx.delysid.org with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1AU1l2-0004Ku-00; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:39:52 +0100 To: Peter Korn Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters From: Mario Lang In-Reply-To: <3FD6B9F0.1000406@sun.com> (Peter Korn's message of "Tue, 09 Dec 2003 22:15:12 -0800") References: <3FD646DD.50705@sun.com> <20031210034136.GN20138@alpha.private.mielke.cc> <3FD6B9F0.1000406@sun.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:39:52 +0100 Message-ID: <87smjtgdmv.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Peter Korn writes: > Hi David, > >>>If so, what is Gnopernicus producing when it sends output to BrlTTY? >> Gnopernicus, at present, sends raw dot patterns to BRLTTY. I'm >> planning to >> pursue getting Gnopernicus to send text-based, rather than dot-based, data to >> BRLTTY soon. > > Gnopernicus has a variety of non-text dot patterns used to indicate a > variety of things. What thoughts do you have on how those could be > preserved yet have Gnopernicus send text for the text portions? We are planning to add the ability to and off and to or on dots via BrlAPI. -- CYa, Mario | Debian Developer | Get my public key via finger mlang@db.debian.org | 1024D/7FC1A0854909BCCDBE6C102DDFFC022A6B113E44 From Bill.Haneman@Sun.COM Wed Dec 10 07:10:12 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (nwkea-mail-1.sun.com [192.18.42.13]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A87D18F71 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 07:10:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from phys-eris-1 ([129.156.85.25]) by nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBACA9UR014811 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 04:10:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun.com (dbl-isdn-103.Ireland.Sun.COM [129.156.227.103]) by eris-mail1.uk.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HPO00KDKHSXZI@eris-mail1.uk.sun.com> for gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:10:09 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:10:12 +0000 From: Bill Haneman Subject: Re: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters In-reply-to: <20031210032302.13288.65335.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Message-id: <3FD70D24.4010406@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20031103 References: <20031210032302.13288.65335.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Jason said: >If Gnopernicus is sending Unicode (most likely UTF8) encoding, this could >be the source of the mismatch with BrlTTY. > GNOME uses UTF-8 throughout. I do not know what gnopernicus is doing with the UTF-8 input before converting to braille dots or characters; it may be that gnopernicus is doing all the dot conversions itself (in which case the issue would be gnopernicus' internal braille tables lacking Swedish support - thus the need for a general architecture). It's also possible that, as you suggest, gnopernicus is failing to convert the UTF-8 into ISO-8859-1 on the output stage. BAUM team, do you have details for us? - Bill From Bill.Haneman@Sun.COM Wed Dec 10 07:14:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (nwkea-mail-1.sun.com [192.18.42.13]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23EB918419 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 07:14:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from phys-eris-1 ([129.156.85.25]) by nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBACELUR016664 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 04:14:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun.com (dbl-isdn-103.Ireland.Sun.COM [129.156.227.103]) by eris-mail1.uk.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HPO00K96HZXZI@eris-mail1.uk.sun.com> for gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:14:21 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:14:25 +0000 From: Bill Haneman Subject: Re: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome In-reply-to: <20031210032302.13288.65335.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Message-id: <3FD70E21.3070403@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20031103 References: <20031210032302.13288.65335.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Deedra said: >Hmm, does cvs gnopernicus have a fix for the flat review thing? not being able to read blocks of text makes my life pretty dificult, especially when I want to look at webpages, (assuming I can get mozilla to behave in this install) > I don't understand quite what you are saying here; the flat review mode of gnopernicus is the "fix", i.e. it allows reading of text that can't be navigated via a cursor. However, Mozilla does support a 'caret' or cursor, if you press F7 (which toggles the feature on and off). I personally don't know how well gnopernicus and the Mozilla-caret browsing get along, but it is certainly worth trying. Documentation for flat-review in gnopernicus can be found at the gnopernicus web site, http://www.baum.ro/gnopernicus.html best regards Bill From Bill.Haneman@Sun.COM Wed Dec 10 07:19:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (nwkea-mail-1.sun.com [192.18.42.13]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24158181E6 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 07:19:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from phys-eris-1 ([129.156.85.25]) by nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBACJRUP018691 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 04:19:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun.com (dbl-isdn-103.Ireland.Sun.COM [129.156.227.103]) by eris-mail1.uk.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HPO00KB5I8EZI@eris-mail1.uk.sun.com> for gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:19:27 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:19:30 +0000 From: Bill Haneman Subject: Re: j2sdk [was some questions about...] In-reply-to: <20031210032302.13288.65335.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Message-id: <3FD70F52.5000102@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20031103 References: <20031210032302.13288.65335.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Someone suggested blackdown.org. I would be cautious about trying them, since the java-access-bridge for GNOME has never been tested with their Java SDK as far as I know. Note that the java-access-bridge for GNOME requires version 1.4.0 or better. I think you'd be keeping the troubles to a minimum if you found a way to get the SDK from the Sun site, perhaps via another browser. - Bill From deedra@dmwaters.us Wed Dec 10 10:16:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.71]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ECCE182E7 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:16:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from simba ([68.212.8.108]) by imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031210151602.GUUN29800.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@simba>; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:16:02 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:15:17 -0600 (CST) From: Deedra Waters X-X-Sender: dmwaters@simba To: Bill Haneman Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome In-Reply-To: <3FD70E21.3070403@sun.com> Message-ID: References: <20031210032302.13288.65335.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> <3FD70E21.3070403@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 It was in response to the message I replied to which said something about flat review mode being broken in the current version of gnopernicus. On Wed, 10 Dec 2003, Bill Haneman wrote: > Deedra said: > > >Hmm, does cvs gnopernicus have a fix for the flat review thing? not being able to read blocks of text makes my life pretty dificult, especially when I want to look at webpages, (assuming I can get mozilla to behave in this install) > > > I don't understand quite what you are saying here; the flat review mode > of gnopernicus is the "fix", i.e. it allows reading of text that can't > be navigated via a cursor. However, Mozilla does support a 'caret' or > cursor, if you press F7 (which toggles the feature on and off). I > personally don't know how well gnopernicus and the Mozilla-caret > browsing get along, but it is certainly worth trying. > > Documentation for flat-review in gnopernicus can be found at the > gnopernicus web site, > http://www.baum.ro/gnopernicus.html > > best regards > > Bill > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > - -- Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/1ziMU5AGPOTGNc8RAq44AJ0SKrtxRypPDvNNYIjCaLzhFtfNzACfVXaz 8vXHGgM0qlPuIOsMlv2V5GM= =sLUe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dave@mielke.cc Wed Dec 10 10:52:20 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from mielke.cc (unknown [24.157.218.227]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0E4218171 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:52:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.private.mielke.cc (alpha.private.mielke.cc [192.168.0.2]) by mielke.cc (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBAFqDr02541; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:52:14 -0500 Received: from alpha.private.mielke.cc (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpha.private.mielke.cc (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBAFqCP6020017; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:52:12 -0500 Received: (from dave@localhost) by alpha.private.mielke.cc (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBAFqBxD020015; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:52:11 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:52:11 -0500 From: Dave Mielke To: Bill Haneman Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters Message-ID: <20031210155211.GO20138@alpha.private.mielke.cc> References: <20031210032302.13288.65335.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> <3FD70D24.4010406@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3FD70D24.4010406@sun.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: [quoted lines by Bill Haneman on 2003/12/10 at 12:10 +0000] >it may be that gnopernicus is doing all the dot conversions itself Yes, it is. >in which case the issue would be gnopernicus' internal braille tables lacking >Swedish support Gnopernicus does offer a Swedish translation table. It appears, however, that that table is incomplete. >It's also possible that, as you suggest, gnopernicus is failing to >convert the UTF-8 into ISO-8859-1 on the output stage. No, that's not the problem. At least at present, BRLTTY is receiving already-constructed braille dot patterns from Gnopernicus. -- Dave Mielke | 2213 Fox Crescent | I believe that the Bible is the Phone: 1-613-726-0014 | Ottawa, Ontario | Word of God. Please contact me EMail: dave@mielke.cc | Canada K2A 1H7 | if you're concerned about Hell. http://familyradio.com/ | http://mielke.cc/bible/ From anders@noddle.net Wed Dec 10 11:17:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from duck.marlowes.com (duck.marlowes.com [195.67.103.24]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1C4C18162 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:17:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.16.2.13] (h58n2fls31o824.telia.com [212.181.205.58]) (authenticated bits=0) by duck.marlowes.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBAGEawQ020310; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:14:36 +0100 Subject: Re: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters From: Anders Karlsson To: Dave Mielke Cc: Bill Haneman , gnome-accessibility-list In-Reply-To: <20031210155211.GO20138@alpha.private.mielke.cc> References: <20031210032302.13288.65335.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> <3FD70D24.4010406@sun.com> <20031210155211.GO20138@alpha.private.mielke.cc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Message-Id: <1071073053.21014.16.camel@balder.home.noddle.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 (1.4.5-7) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:17:33 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi. I don't know if You guys read UTF-8 mails så that You can read the characters, but since nobody has complained yet i suppose so. I've talking to my daughter, an she told me how the characters should be shown on the display. According to her the dots are numbered like this: 14 25 36 78 Then the characters should be like this: å 1+6 Å 1+6+7 ä 3+4+5 Ä 3+4+5+7 ö 2+4+6 Ö 2+4+6+7 Hope this can help when correcting the Swedish table. /Anders -- Anders Karlsson From dave@mielke.cc Thu Dec 11 01:09:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from mielke.cc (unknown [24.157.218.227]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C68D18264 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 01:09:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.private.mielke.cc (alpha.private.mielke.cc [192.168.0.2]) by mielke.cc (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBB69kr06178; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 01:09:47 -0500 Received: from alpha.private.mielke.cc (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpha.private.mielke.cc (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBB69jP6023899; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 01:09:45 -0500 Received: (from dave@localhost) by alpha.private.mielke.cc (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBB69i7D023897; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 01:09:44 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 01:09:44 -0500 From: Dave Mielke To: Peter Korn Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters Message-ID: <20031211060944.GQ20138@alpha.private.mielke.cc> References: <3FD646DD.50705@sun.com> <20031210034136.GN20138@alpha.private.mielke.cc> <3FD6B9F0.1000406@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3FD6B9F0.1000406@sun.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: [quoted lines by Peter Korn on 2003/12/09 at 22:15 -0800] >Gnopernicus has a variety of non-text dot patterns used to indicate a >variety of things. What thoughts do you have on how those could be >preserved yet have Gnopernicus send text for the text portions? We're in the process of enhancing BrlAPI in order to handle a mixtyure of text, highlighted text, and graphics. What we're doing is adding a routine which takes the text to be displayed, an optional mask to be anded for dots which are to be cleared, and an optional mask to be ored for dots which are to be set. This should give maximum flexibility to applications as it handles simple text at one extreme, full "graphics" at the other, and concepts like underlining in the middle. >Also, as >Bill noted, we do need to address the problem of Braille table localization >for a very wide set of languages (which may be interspersed within a single >document, ideally with appropriate language tagging). Do you have any >thoughts on where the right place to address that is and how? This requirement is probably best handled by Gnopernicus doing the dot translation. Am I correct in assuming that each localized area of text is associated with some given font? If so, I think a reasonable way to approach this problem is to maintain a table which associates a font name with a braille table. Since many fonts would probably point to the same braille table, you may wish to consider adding a level of indirection, e.g. a font group, so that, say, all English fonts could be switched from one braille table to another via a single operation. One of the dilemmas you may have is that you, quite understandably, only want to publish accurate tables whereas average users, especially those willing to help you out during development, would be satisfied with far less. The ideal for such users, which BRLTTY does provide, is to make the tables easily editable by the user. If you can point me to wherever your translation table format is described, I'll add to our tools a way to convert a BRLTTY table to a Gnopernicus table and vice versa. -- Dave Mielke | 2213 Fox Crescent | I believe that the Bible is the Phone: 1-613-726-0014 | Ottawa, Ontario | Word of God. Please contact me EMail: dave@mielke.cc | Canada K2A 1H7 | if you're concerned about Hell. http://familyradio.com/ | http://mielke.cc/bible/ From mjg59@codon.org.uk Thu Dec 11 08:59:55 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from cavan.codon.org.uk (cavan.codon.org.uk [213.162.118.85]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D7C418942 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 08:59:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mjg59 by cavan.codon.org.uk with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1AURM3-0002GA-00; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:59:47 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:59:47 +0000 From: Matthew Garrett To: Peter Korn Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Dasher 3.2.0 released Message-ID: <20031211135947.GA8615@srcf.ucam.org> References: <20031118014423.GA28674@srcf.ucam.org> <3FBAAAD4.24DC80E8@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3FBAAAD4.24DC80E8@sun.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 03:27:16PM -0800, Peter Korn wrote: > 1. There seem to be multiple sets of empty boxes I need to navigate > through to get to the menus in gedit - perhaps some of the code > in GOK could be helpful here? That's now sorted. > 3. The control box/alphabet is practically buried within the rest of > the alphabet. At least for two dimensional Dasher use, would you > consider putting that on the top or bottom (vertical vs. horizontal), > for rapid access? It also suggests a kind of "escape" to do something > completely different from entering text to put it in a different > place in the Dasher display. It's a nice idea, but it's not currently desperately practical - as the user zooms into boxes, the older boxes continue to exist. It's a valid input to enter, say, an "a" and then realise that you wanted the "e" below it - the direct route would then be through the bottom of the "a". > 2. Once I opened the Open File dialog, Dasher didn't give me access > to the UI elements - again perhaps GOK code could be used for > this? > > 4. The Menus alphabet always showed me first a set of running > applications to choose between before I could get to the menus > of the app I was interacting with. Since most of the time I'm > going to want to interact with the menus of the application I'm > also entering text into, please consider having menus be for the > topmost application's menus, and put at the top level of Control > an option to switch to a different application (again, rather > like GOK). Both of these are marginally awkward - if a new window appears, or if the user focus changes (or, indeed, even if we just change the order of the menus) then we have to invalidate the current tree and build a new one. In itself that's not too difficult, but it may lead to some confusion on the part of the user if Dasher resets itself every time a window pops up. It's arguably the correct way of doing it, though. I'll look into it. -- Matthew Garrett | mjg59@srcf.ucam.org From Peter.Korn@Sun.COM Thu Dec 11 12:28:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (nwkea-mail-1.sun.com [192.18.42.13]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8893418130 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:28:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from phys-d3-ha21sca-1 ([129.145.155.163]) by nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBBHSmUP013780 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:28:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun.com (vpn-129-150-20-143.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.20.143]) by ha21sca-mail1.sfbay.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HPQ000GPR7Z1F@ha21sca-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> for gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:28:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:28:46 -0800 From: Peter Korn Subject: Re: Dasher 3.2.0 released To: Matthew Garrett Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Message-id: <3FD8A94E.8080103@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 References: <20031118014423.GA28674@srcf.ucam.org> <3FBAAAD4.24DC80E8@sun.com> <20031211135947.GA8615@srcf.ucam.org> Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi Matthew, >> 3. The control box/alphabet is practically buried within the rest of >> the alphabet. At least for two dimensional Dasher use, would you >> consider putting that on the top or bottom (vertical vs. horizontal), >> for rapid access? It also suggests a kind of "escape" to do something >> completely different from entering text to put it in a different >> place in the Dasher display. > > It's a nice idea, but it's not currently desperately practical - as the > user zooms into boxes, the older boxes continue to exist. It's a valid > input to enter, say, an "a" and then realise that you wanted the "e" > below it - the direct route would then be through the bottom of the "a". Hmmm... In that case, what about regions in the canonical left half of the window. Normally crossing the middle boundary stops text entry, which is generally what you want to do when switching to control mode. If there were a target or two on the non-alphabet side of Dasher which switched modes, that would likewise allow potentially more rapid switching to the control box. Just a thought to experiment with. Regards, Peter Korn Sun Accessibility team From mjg59@codon.org.uk Thu Dec 11 12:37:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from cavan.codon.org.uk (cavan.codon.org.uk [213.162.118.85]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D709C18130 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:37:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mjg59 by cavan.codon.org.uk with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1AUUkX-0002yS-00; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:37:17 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:37:17 +0000 From: Matthew Garrett To: Peter Korn Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Dasher 3.2.0 released Message-ID: <20031211173717.GA11389@srcf.ucam.org> References: <20031118014423.GA28674@srcf.ucam.org> <3FBAAAD4.24DC80E8@sun.com> <20031211135947.GA8615@srcf.ucam.org> <3FD8A94E.8080103@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3FD8A94E.8080103@sun.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 09:28:46AM -0800, Peter Korn wrote: > Hmmm... In that case, what about regions in the canonical left half of the > window. Normally crossing the middle boundary stops text entry, which is > generally what you want to do when switching to control mode. If there > were a target or two on the non-alphabet side of Dasher which switched > modes, that would likewise allow potentially more rapid switching to the > control box. Sadly not :) Crossing the middle boundary reverses Dasher, which allows for error correction - at the moment it only reverses a finite number of nodes, but when I get round to fixing it up then it ought to be possible to reverse back to the initial state. -- Matthew Garrett | mjg59@srcf.ucam.org From Bill.Haneman@Sun.COM Thu Dec 11 13:11:47 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (nwkea-mail-1.sun.com [192.18.42.13]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D13D19254 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:11:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from phys-eris-1 ([129.156.85.25]) by nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBBIBkUP013809 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:11:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun.com (dbl-isdn-110.Ireland.Sun.COM [129.156.227.110]) by eris-mail1.uk.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HPQ003G1T7L0X@eris-mail1.uk.sun.com> for gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:11:45 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:11:48 +0000 From: Bill Haneman Subject: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters In-reply-to: <20031211170025.4795.83774.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Message-id: <3FD8B364.8060205@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20031103 References: <20031211170025.4795.83774.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Dave Mielke asked: > Am I correct in assuming that each localized area of text is >associated with some given font? If so, I think a reasonable way to approach >this problem is to maintain a table which associates a font name with a braille >table. > Unfortunately this isn't the case; there's a very poor mapping between fonts and locales/languages. Gnopernicus will need to get locale/language information from its source text; fortunately at-spi and GNOME provide that info in many cases. However locales and braille tables also map quite poorly onto one another. - Bill From dave@mielke.cc Thu Dec 11 15:01:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from mielke.cc (unknown [24.157.218.227]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 106B5182D9 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:01:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.private.mielke.cc (alpha.private.mielke.cc [192.168.0.2]) by mielke.cc (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBBK18r08424; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:01:09 -0500 Received: from alpha.private.mielke.cc (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpha.private.mielke.cc (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBBK15P6028053; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:01:05 -0500 Received: (from dave@localhost) by alpha.private.mielke.cc (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBBK14Ek028051; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:01:04 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:01:04 -0500 From: Dave Mielke To: Bill Haneman Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters Message-ID: <20031211200104.GS20138@alpha.private.mielke.cc> References: <20031211170025.4795.83774.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> <3FD8B364.8060205@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3FD8B364.8060205@sun.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: [quoted lines by Bill Haneman on 2003/12/11 at 18:11 +0000] >However locales and braille tables also map quite poorly onto one another. Our experience is that there's no real mapping between the two at all. The reason is that the conventions used for any given language's literary braille tend to be unusable for computer braille since certain characters require more than one braille cell and/or certain characters can only be represented in certain contexts. There may be a widely accepted standard for the representation of characters 0X20-0X7E in English braille (and that doesn't even accommodate the extended ASCII characters), but the same isn't true for most languages. Tjere are cases wjere two users of the same language who live in the very same city perfer different dot mapping schemes for non-alphabetic characters. This is why we've went the route of making it easy for a user to define his own tables while, at the same time, providing a set of tables which are generally accepted. In the absence of standards, that's about the best one can do. Hopefully, as time progresses, more standards will be developed as the preferences of the users of a given language merge. -- Dave Mielke | 2213 Fox Crescent | I believe that the Bible is the Phone: 1-613-726-0014 | Ottawa, Ontario | Word of God. Please contact me EMail: dave@mielke.cc | Canada K2A 1H7 | if you're concerned about Hell. http://familyradio.com/ | http://mielke.cc/bible/ From kd7cyu@yahoo.com Thu Dec 11 16:29:56 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.11.34]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7D5E418267 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:29:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown (HELO tom) (kd7cyu@216.173.216.10 with login) by smtp003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 21:29:54 -0000 Message-ID: <01dd01c3c02d$ff1edd60$0200000a@tom> From: "Tom Masterson" To: Subject: java access bridge Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:30:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01DA_01C3BFEA.EFC58E60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01DA_01C3BFEA.EFC58E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now that I have gnome and gnopernicus working (does much better when you = tell it the right port) can someone tell me where to find teh java = access bridge for gnome? 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------=_NextPart_000_01DA_01C3BFEA.EFC58E60-- From malcolm@commsecure.com.au Thu Dec 11 16:38:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from commsecure.com.au (CommSecureAustPtyLtd.sb1.optus.net.au [203.202.148.106]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8AC918A48 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:38:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from sunhill.commsecure.com.au (sunhill.commsecure.com.au [172.16.15.1]) by commsecure.com.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBBLch717424; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:38:43 +1100 Received: from ws14.commsecure.com.au (ws14.commsecure.com.au [172.16.15.14]) by sunhill.commsecure.com.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBBLcme10937; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:38:48 +1100 Received: from ws14.commsecure.com.au (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ws14.commsecure.com.au (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBBLclEh006064; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:38:47 +1100 Received: (from malcolm@localhost) by ws14.commsecure.com.au (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id hBBLclUN006062; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:38:47 +1100 X-Authentication-Warning: ws14.commsecure.com.au: malcolm set sender to malcolm@commsecure.com.au using -f Subject: Re: java access bridge From: Malcolm Tredinnick To: Tom Masterson Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <01dd01c3c02d$ff1edd60$0200000a@tom> References: <01dd01c3c02d$ff1edd60$0200000a@tom> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1071178726.5795.12.camel@ws14.commsecure.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 (1.4.5-7) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:38:47 +1100 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi Tom, On Fri, 2003-12-12 at 08:30, Tom Masterson wrote: > Now that I have gnome and gnopernicus working (does much better when > you tell it the right port) can someone tell me where to find teh java > access bridge for gnome? It has been posted before but I lost some > emails. You can either get it from the GNOME CVS repository, or download a tarball from http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/java-access-bridge/1.3/ Cheers, Malcolm From deedra@dmwaters.us Mon Dec 15 19:43:12 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.64]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C952418CBE for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:43:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from simba ([68.212.8.108]) by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031216004306.CEWN21685.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@simba> for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:43:06 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:42:15 -0600 (CST) From: Deedra Waters X-X-Sender: dmwaters@simba To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: problems with gnome java access bridge Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I don't really know if anyone is going to have answers for this or not. I was installing the 1.2.1 version of the gnome java access bridge, and it asked meto upgrade at-spi, so I did that. the version I upgraded to with that is 1.3.9. Well, I started gnome with no problems gnopernicus was talking, then all the sudeen it got real quiet, and the load on my machine went through the roof, till I ended up with: 18:16:21 up 21:08, 8 users, load average: 49.24, 42.37, 24.75 It was using all of my ram (128mb) and 210mb of swap space. The thing I'm wondering is, what could possibley be causing such a mess, yeah, I know I don't have a lot of memory, but that can't be the only problem here. What could flatten my machine in a few minutes like that that's inside gnome, or any of theese two latest apps I've installed? If someone could please give me some answers to this, I would appreciate it. Thanks. - -- Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, http://www.gentoo.org Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/3lTuU5AGPOTGNc8RAi3jAJ4qQ5M5c2MA8+VMITebrHQ/ioTdsQCfbC/Y H0zc0A/P5VBi0cfwlO8gtnU= =1Wt9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Padraig.Obriain@Sun.COM Tue Dec 16 03:27:10 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from nwkea-mail-2.sun.com (nwkea-mail-2.sun.com [192.18.42.14]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C15E81820B for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 03:27:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from phys-eris-1 ([129.156.85.25]) by nwkea-mail-2.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBG8R80J009853 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:27:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun.com (anymachine.Ireland.Sun.COM [129.156.238.95]) by eris-mail1.uk.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HPZ00I9OBH7N9@eris-mail1.uk.sun.com> for gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:27:07 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:23:55 +0000 From: "padraig o'briain" Subject: Re: problems with gnome java access bridge To: Deedra Waters Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Message-id: <3FDEC11B.EE50B0B5@sun.com> Organization: Sun Microsystems MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79C-CCK-MCD [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.9 sun4u) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: You do not state what Java application you were running or what applications are using up your CPU. Padraig Deedra Waters wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I don't really know if anyone is going to have answers for this or not. > > I was installing the 1.2.1 version of the gnome java access bridge, and it asked meto upgrade at-spi, so I did that. the version I upgraded to with that is 1.3.9. > > Well, I started gnome with no problems gnopernicus was talking, then all the sudeen it got real quiet, and the load on my machine went through the roof, till I ended up with: 18:16:21 up 21:08, 8 users, load average: 49.24, 42.37, 24.75 > > It was using all of my ram (128mb) and 210mb of swap space. > > The thing I'm wondering is, what could possibley be causing such a mess, yeah, I know I don't have a lot of memory, but that can't be the only problem here. What could flatten my machine in a few minutes like that that's inside gnome, or any of theese two latest apps I've installed? > > If someone could please give me some answers to this, I would appreciate it. Thanks. > > - -- > Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, > http://www.gentoo.org > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE/3lTuU5AGPOTGNc8RAi3jAJ4qQ5M5c2MA8+VMITebrHQ/ioTdsQCfbC/Y > H0zc0A/P5VBi0cfwlO8gtnU= > =1Wt9 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list From christophe.delaunay@thomson.net Tue Dec 16 05:58:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@mail.gnome.org Received: from ns2.thmulti.com (ns2.thmulti.com [141.11.234.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1BD2188BD for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 05:58:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprelay2.thmulti.com (smtprelay2.thmulti.com [141.11.195.242]) by ns2.thmulti.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA20966 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:58:51 +0100 (MET) Received: from parexch3.paris.thmulti.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtprelay2.thmulti.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA23089 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:58:47 +0100 (MET) Received: by parexch3 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:59:13 +0100 Message-ID: <05B4910E0216D411B14F00508B6A67A9055134A4@renexch5.rennes.thmulti.com> From: Delaunay Christophe To: "Gnome Accessibility List (E-mail)" Subject: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 does not want to init my brl display Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:58:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hello listers, From the console, when I type startx, gnopernicus starts talking but does not want to initialize my braille display. I know that this question seems like a faq but before asking for your help, I made sure twice I really did all what I read in the documentation. So, here is my configuration : - linux mandrake 9.2 on a Compaq DeskPro with 512 mb of ram and PIII processor running at 750 mHz; - brltty rev. 3.3.1 compiled with --enable-api and driving a braillex ELba, (Papenmeier braille display with 32 cells); - gnopernicus 0.7.0 with all gnome accessibility features installed, comprising the java access bridge. - The used TTS is festival 1.4.3 but due to problem with my soundboard, it really speaks too fast, (like a tape going twice its speed). When I launch "startx", gnopernicus is really launched and begins to speak but here is what I receive on stderr. ------------------- ********************** * SCREEN READER CORE * ********************** GTK Accessibility Module initialized brl_open_device: open device failed ** BRAILLE initialization failed for BRLTTY on port 1 To change one or more settings use gnopernicus UI (srcore:5924): gnopernicus-WARNING **: Callbacks are NOT supported by "V0 Kevin - Festival GNOME Speech Driver" voice. gnopernicus-Message: speech initialization succeded ----------------- First, I checked for the presence of /etc/brlapi.key. It's really here and I can read it. Then, I used the "gconftool-2" command as stated in brltty's "README.gnopernicus" file in order to let gnopernicus use the brltty API. Then, I wrote a .xinitrc file in my home directory as follows : -------------------- #!/bin/sh # Define environment variables. GARNOME=/usr # garnome is not installed on this computer PYTHONPATH=/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages GDK_USE_XFT=1 GTK_MODULES=gail:atk-bridge export PYTHONPATH GDK_USE_XFT GTK_MODULES # Configure Gnome. gconftool-2 --type bool --set /apps/desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility true # Tell Gnopernicus which virtual terminal is being used by the X display. # This is a bit complicated so cut-and-paste (rather than retype) it. CONTROLVT="$(grep "using VT number" "/var/log/XFree86.$(echo "$DISPLAY" | sed -e "s/^.*::*\([0-9]*\).*$/\1/").log" | sed -e "s/^.*using VT number \([0-9]*\).*$/\1/")" # I added next lines to print the value of CONTROLVT echo -n "=*=*=* The CONTROLVT variable was set to " echo -n $CONTROLVT echo " =*=*=*" export CONTROLVT # Start the Gnome session. exec $GARNOME/bin/gnome-session ------------------ When the X session start, I can notice that the CONTROLVT variable is set to 7. So, what may be causing this braille initialization problem? Is there a way in which gnopernicus could be more precise at init time when an error occurs? Many thanks in advance. Have a nice day. Chris From mlang@lexx.delysid.org Tue Dec 16 07:54:51 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@mail.gnome.org Received: from lexx.delysid.org (chello080109223065.lancity.graz.surfer.at [80.109.223.65]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDC7E1892E for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:54:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mlang by lexx.delysid.org with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1AWEii-0002h0-00; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:54:36 +0100 To: Delaunay Christophe Cc: "Gnome Accessibility List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 does not want to init my brl display From: Mario Lang In-Reply-To: <05B4910E0216D411B14F00508B6A67A9055134A4@renexch5.rennes.thmulti.com> (Delaunay Christophe's message of "Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:58:44 +0100") References: <05B4910E0216D411B14F00508B6A67A9055134A4@renexch5.rennes.thmulti.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:54:36 +0100 Message-ID: <87he00hqib.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 has a bug which results in BRLTTY support not being included. If you compiled from source, get 0.7.1, if you got gnopernicus through a Mandrake package, bug the maintainers that they need to upgrade to 0.7.1. Delaunay Christophe writes: > Hello listers, > >>From the console, when I type startx, gnopernicus starts talking but does > not want to initialize my braille display. > > I know that this question seems like a faq but before asking for your help, > I made sure twice I really did all what I read in the documentation. > > So, here is my configuration : > > - linux mandrake 9.2 on a Compaq DeskPro with 512 mb of ram and PIII > processor running at 750 mHz; > - brltty rev. 3.3.1 compiled with --enable-api and driving a > braillex ELba, (Papenmeier braille display with 32 cells); > - gnopernicus 0.7.0 with all gnome accessibility features installed, > comprising the java access bridge. > - The used TTS is festival 1.4.3 but due to problem with my > soundboard, it really speaks too fast, (like a tape going twice its speed). > > When I launch "startx", gnopernicus is really launched and begins to speak > but here is what I receive on stderr. > ------------------- > ********************** > * SCREEN READER CORE * > ********************** > > GTK Accessibility Module initialized > > brl_open_device: open device failed > ** BRAILLE initialization failed for BRLTTY on port 1 > To change one or more settings use gnopernicus UI > > (srcore:5924): gnopernicus-WARNING **: Callbacks are NOT supported by "V0 > Kevin - Festival GNOME Speech Driver" voice. > gnopernicus-Message: speech initialization succeded > ----------------- > > First, I checked for the presence of /etc/brlapi.key. It's really here and I > can read it. > > Then, I used the "gconftool-2" command as stated in brltty's > "README.gnopernicus" file in order to let gnopernicus use the brltty API. > > Then, I wrote a .xinitrc file in my home directory as follows : > -------------------- > #!/bin/sh > > # Define environment variables. > GARNOME=/usr # garnome is not installed on this computer > PYTHONPATH=/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages > GDK_USE_XFT=1 > GTK_MODULES=gail:atk-bridge > export PYTHONPATH GDK_USE_XFT GTK_MODULES > > # Configure Gnome. > gconftool-2 --type bool --set /apps/desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility > true > > # Tell Gnopernicus which virtual terminal is being used by the X display. > # This is a bit complicated so cut-and-paste (rather than retype) it. > CONTROLVT="$(grep "using VT number" "/var/log/XFree86.$(echo "$DISPLAY" | > sed -e "s/^.*::*\([0-9]*\).*$/\1/").log" | sed -e "s/^.*using VT number > \([0-9]*\).*$/\1/")" > # I added next lines to print the value of CONTROLVT > echo -n "=*=*=* The CONTROLVT variable was set to " > echo -n $CONTROLVT > echo " =*=*=*" > export CONTROLVT > > # Start the Gnome session. > exec $GARNOME/bin/gnome-session > ------------------ > > When the X session start, I can notice that the CONTROLVT variable is set to > 7. > > So, what may be causing this braille initialization problem? > > Is there a way in which gnopernicus could be more precise at init time when > an error occurs? > > Many thanks in advance. Have a nice day. Chris > _______________________________________________ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > -- CYa, Mario | Debian Developer | Get my public key via finger mlang@db.debian.org | 1024D/7FC1A0854909BCCDBE6C102DDFFC022A6B113E44 From deedra@dmwaters.us Tue Dec 16 10:01:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.64]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D49B182D8 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:01:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from simba ([68.212.8.108]) by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031216150110.FEKI29783.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@simba>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:01:10 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:00:18 -0600 (CST) From: Deedra Waters X-X-Sender: dmwaters@simba To: padraig o'briain Cc: Deedra Waters , gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: problems with gnome java access bridge In-Reply-To: <3FDEC11B.EE50B0B5@sun.com> Message-ID: References: <3FDEC11B.EE50B0B5@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 All I did was type startx. As to what was using up my cpu, top didn't show me anything out of the ordinary, top was at the top of the list. What I do know is that This did not happen till I upgraded at-spi, and installed the java access bridge. On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, padraig o'briain wrote: > You do not state what Java application you were running or what applications are using up your CPU. > > Padraig > > > Deedra Waters wrote: > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > I don't really know if anyone is going to have answers for this or not. > > > > I was installing the 1.2.1 version of the gnome java access bridge, and it asked meto upgrade at-spi, so I did that. the version I upgraded to with that is 1.3.9. > > > > Well, I started gnome with no problems gnopernicus was talking, then all the sudeen it got real quiet, and the load on my machine went through the roof, till I ended up with: 18:16:21 up 21:08, 8 users, load average: 49.24, 42.37, 24.75 > > > > It was using all of my ram (128mb) and 210mb of swap space. > > > > The thing I'm wondering is, what could possibley be causing such a mess, yeah, I know I don't have a lot of memory, but that can't be the only problem here. What could flatten my machine in a few minutes like that that's inside gnome, or any of theese two latest apps I've installed? > > > > If someone could please give me some answers to this, I would appreciate it. Thanks. > > > > - -- > > Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, > > http://www.gentoo.org > > > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQE/3lTuU5AGPOTGNc8RAi3jAJ4qQ5M5c2MA8+VMITebrHQ/ioTdsQCfbC/Y > > H0zc0A/P5VBi0cfwlO8gtnU= > > =1Wt9 > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > - -- Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, http://www.gentoo.org Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/3x4LU5AGPOTGNc8RAvPiAKCSBRR9aEeIF4sbcrMgpaV6TVCyuACgq/yW nVjnNo6Ww1xgThOGZcSUtKA= =pjAG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Padraig.Obriain@Sun.COM Tue Dec 16 10:08:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (nwkea-mail-1.sun.com [192.18.42.13]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F00B182D8 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:08:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from phys-eris-1 ([129.156.85.25]) by nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBGF7lrl015508 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:08:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun.com (anymachine.Ireland.Sun.COM [129.156.238.95]) by eris-mail1.uk.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HPZ00CQ6U1AJ0@eris-mail1.uk.sun.com> for gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:07:58 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:04:46 +0000 From: "padraig o'briain" Subject: Re: problems with gnome java access bridge To: Deedra Waters Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Message-id: <3FDF1F0E.8B8D3539@sun.com> Organization: Sun Microsystems MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79C-CCK-MCD [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.9 sun4u) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <3FDEC11B.EE50B0B5@sun.com> Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This does not sound like anything to do with the java access bridge. Is this a process running at-spi-registryd and can you get a stack trace from it? Padraig Deedra Waters wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > All I did was type startx. As to what was using up my cpu, top didn't show me anything out of the ordinary, top was at the top of the list. > > What I do know is that This did not happen till I upgraded at-spi, and installed the java access bridge. > > On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, padraig o'briain wrote: > > > You do not state what Java application you were running or what applications are using up your CPU. > > > > Padraig > > > > > > Deedra Waters wrote: > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > I don't really know if anyone is going to have answers for this or not. > > > > > > I was installing the 1.2.1 version of the gnome java access bridge, and it asked meto upgrade at-spi, so I did that. the version I upgraded to with that is 1.3.9. > > > > > > Well, I started gnome with no problems gnopernicus was talking, then all the sudeen it got real quiet, and the load on my machine went through the roof, till I ended up with: 18:16:21 up 21:08, 8 users, load average: 49.24, 42.37, 24.75 > > > > > > It was using all of my ram (128mb) and 210mb of swap space. > > > > > > The thing I'm wondering is, what could possibley be causing such a mess, yeah, I know I don't have a lot of memory, but that can't be the only problem here. What could flatten my machine in a few minutes like that that's inside gnome, or any of theese two latest apps I've installed? > > > > > > If someone could please give me some answers to this, I would appreciate it. Thanks. > > > > > > - -- > > > Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, > > > http://www.gentoo.org > > > > > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > iD8DBQE/3lTuU5AGPOTGNc8RAi3jAJ4qQ5M5c2MA8+VMITebrHQ/ioTdsQCfbC/Y > > > H0zc0A/P5VBi0cfwlO8gtnU= > > > =1Wt9 > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > - -- > Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, > http://www.gentoo.org > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE/3x4LU5AGPOTGNc8RAvPiAKCSBRR9aEeIF4sbcrMgpaV6TVCyuACgq/yW > nVjnNo6Ww1xgThOGZcSUtKA= > =pjAG > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From deedra@dmwaters.us Tue Dec 16 10:28:09 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10728185DF for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:28:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from simba ([68.212.8.108]) by imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031216152808.EBYA17885.imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net@simba>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:28:08 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:27:17 -0600 (CST) From: Deedra Waters X-X-Sender: dmwaters@simba To: padraig o'briain Cc: Deedra Waters , gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: problems with gnome java access bridge In-Reply-To: <3FDF1F0E.8B8D3539@sun.com> Message-ID: References: <3FDEC11B.EE50B0B5@sun.com> <3FDF1F0E.8B8D3539@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 heh, once I start x, the problem is that my poor machine gets slammed, even with processes reniced to 20, with in a minute or two my load hits 50, and all I can do is sit there and look at it. I suspect that if I had about 10 times my ram, this might be easier for me to debug.:) Can you suggest any ways for me to grab a strace of it before I get slammed? On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, padraig o'briain wrote: > This does not sound like anything to do with the java access bridge. > > Is this a process running at-spi-registryd and can you get a stack trace from it? > > Padraig > > Deedra Waters wrote: > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > All I did was type startx. As to what was using up my cpu, top didn't show me anything out of the ordinary, top was at the top of the list. > > > > What I do know is that This did not happen till I upgraded at-spi, and installed the java access bridge. > > > > On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, padraig o'briain wrote: > > > > > You do not state what Java application you were running or what applications are using up your CPU. > > > > > > Padraig > > > > > > > > > Deedra Waters wrote: > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > > I don't really know if anyone is going to have answers for this or not. > > > > > > > > I was installing the 1.2.1 version of the gnome java access bridge, and it asked meto upgrade at-spi, so I did that. the version I upgraded to with that is 1.3.9. > > > > > > > > Well, I started gnome with no problems gnopernicus was talking, then all the sudeen it got real quiet, and the load on my machine went through the roof, till I ended up with: 18:16:21 up 21:08, 8 users, load average: 49.24, 42.37, 24.75 > > > > > > > > It was using all of my ram (128mb) and 210mb of swap space. > > > > > > > > The thing I'm wondering is, what could possibley be causing such a mess, yeah, I know I don't have a lot of memory, but that can't be the only problem here. What could flatten my machine in a few minutes like that that's inside gnome, or any of theese two latest apps I've installed? > > > > > > > > If someone could please give me some answers to this, I would appreciate it. Thanks. > > > > > > > > - -- > > > > Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, > > > > http://www.gentoo.org > > > > > > > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > > > iD8DBQE/3lTuU5AGPOTGNc8RAi3jAJ4qQ5M5c2MA8+VMITebrHQ/ioTdsQCfbC/Y > > > > H0zc0A/P5VBi0cfwlO8gtnU= > > > > =1Wt9 > > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > > > > - -- > > Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, > > http://www.gentoo.org > > > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQE/3x4LU5AGPOTGNc8RAvPiAKCSBRR9aEeIF4sbcrMgpaV6TVCyuACgq/yW > > nVjnNo6Ww1xgThOGZcSUtKA= > > =pjAG > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > - -- Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, http://www.gentoo.org Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/3yRcU5AGPOTGNc8RAoQpAKCs/TPgRgS9JeOr419iTWposKUTGQCfQf4y vztTeHRjomilIwcLtyAPv4I= =siJT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Bill.Haneman@Sun.COM Tue Dec 16 10:48:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from nwkea-mail-2.sun.com (nwkea-mail-2.sun.com [192.18.42.14]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB1C018132 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:48:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from phys-eris-1 ([129.156.85.25]) by nwkea-mail-2.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBGFmQ0L004547 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:48:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from ireland.sun.com (max.Ireland.Sun.COM [129.156.238.48]) by eris-mail1.uk.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HPZ00CTJVWRJ0@eris-mail1.uk.sun.com> for gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:48:27 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:39:03 +0000 From: Bill Haneman Subject: [Fwd: Re: accessibility for low vision] To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Reply-To: Bill.Haneman@Sun.COM Message-id: <3FDF2717.C88622F@ireland.sun.com> Organization: Sun Microsystems MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79C-CCK-MCD [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.10 sun4u) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I am forwarding a message from Dirk Schouten. I will reply to it on-list. I expect that many others on this list will have additional comments. I believe Dirk points out some significant RFEs for us, but my impression is that we can address a number of items on his wish list already. I'd be interested in other opinions. best regards, - Bill -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: accessibility for low vision Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:20:34 +0100 From: Dirk Schouten To: Bill Haneman References: <3.0.6.32.20031215140504.00a18c30@pop.knoware.nl><3.0.6.32.20031215140504.00a18c30@pop.knoware.nl> At 14:07 15-12-03 +0000, you wrote: >Dirk Schouten wrote: > >>Esteemed Mr. Haneman, >>Bein visually impaired and Linux user (servers), I hope addressing you will >>make me also use a GUI desktop in the future. >>My main problems with a LINUX GUI are: >>- The lack of big cursors >>- The lack of mouse software. >> >>When GNOME is interested in hearing my/our specific needs, I will be happy >>to elaborate on the above mentioned items. >>Kind regards, >>Dirk >> >Hi Dirk: > >I'd be very interested in your needs. Perhaps you could re-send this >message, or give me permission to forward it to >'gnome-accessibility-devel@gnome.org', so that the discussion can be public. > >The 'big cursors' issue has to do with limitations in the underlying >XServer system. There are some APIs on the way that I believe will help >address this issue. > >Also, if you have two frame buffers you can get a much-enlarged cursor >using 'gnome-mag' and gnopernicus. The performance is a bit sluggish >but it may be enough for your immediate needs. > >But I'd like to hear more about the 'mouse software' which would be >useful to you. Can you elaborate? > >thanks and best regards, > >Bill > Hello Bill, Thanks for the quick reply. I will write it down in a way that it's wider usable. You have permission to copy, cc, etc. Kind regards, Dirk ------------------------------------------------------------------ Visually impaired and the Linux desktop. The visually impaired face a lot of problems when trying to use a 'smooth' desktop. Smooth is difficult to define because there are so many eye deficiencies. Still, a lot of visually impaired and elderly people woudl be greatly helped when a few problems would be solved. And there are many. Some general GUI problems: - good quality fonts that are/stay sharp when enlarged - big icons for the desktop - Every entry in a program should have adjustable font size (menubar, drop down menu's, popupwindows, button characters) - Programs should use the complete desktop. A 'nice' example are the mail programs. There is not one Linux mail program that can do without a 'mailboxes' window like Eudora can. Eudora has a 'Mailbox' entry in the menubar. When clicking on it, the 'Mailboxes' dropdown menu opens and you see all your mailboxes. Point with your mouse and the mailbox opens _full screen_. In that way the whole surface of the desktop is usable for reading mail and reading folders. Personally speaking, this is one of the reasons I have to stay with Windows. Special problems in the GUI environment are the mouse pointers and cursors: - They are much too small. - There is only one (Debian) package with a badly designed big mouse and cursor. - There is not a variety in mouse pointers, cursors, hourglasses etc. that can fit one's need. - There is no mouse software that can: - make long mouse trails - get the mouse pointer in one position on the screen where you can always find it (one of the corners, or the middle of the screen). - get the mouse pointer standard on 'yes' or 'no' (saves searching) - make the cursor blink (to attract attention) A clone of an old version of 'Toggle' http://www.toggle.com would be useful. Hope this is useful to you. Looking forward to .... Kind regards, Dirk ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dirk Schouten Our OSS/GPL primary school CMS Site@School: http://siteatschool.sourceforge.net Tools for teachers: http://wyxs.net Media Action Projects: http://utopia.knoware.nl/users/schoutdi ________________________________ From filastin48@hotmail.com Tue Dec 16 12:53:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from hotmail.com (law11-oe19.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.16.123]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C823E18A7D for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:53:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:53:24 -0800 Received: from 141.161.90.161 by law11-oe19.law11.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:53:24 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [141.161.90.161] X-Originating-Email: [filastin48@hotmail.com] X-Sender: filastin48@hotmail.com Reply-To: "cris" From: "cris" To: Subject: step by step instruction on how to start gnome Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:59:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01C3C3D4.6B00BF40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2003 17:53:24.0441 (UTC) FILETIME=[805FCC90:01C3C3FD] Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C3C3D4.6B00BF40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Hi Folks, > Where can I find a step by step instructions on how to start gnome = with > gnopernicus? I am completely illiterate with linux. I just installed = fedora > and want to play with gnome. My fedora could not detect my sound = system, so > I want to try gnopernicus with dectalk express. If any of you can = guide me > through this process, I will be grateful. > Cheers, > Cris ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C3C3D4.6B00BF40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>
> Hi Folks,
> Where = can I find a=20 step by step instructions on how to start gnome with
> = gnopernicus? I am=20 completely illiterate with linux.  I just installed fedora
> = and want=20 to play with gnome.  My fedora could not detect my sound system, = so
>=20 I want to try gnopernicus with dectalk express.  If any of you can = guide=20 me
> through this process, I will be grateful.
> = Cheers,
>=20 Cris
------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C3C3D4.6B00BF40-- From tward1978@earthlink.net Tue Dec 16 13:42:10 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D68AA18ACC for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:42:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdn-ap-019ilchicp0238.dialsprint.net ([65.176.192.238] helo=noneflzmskjmuf) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AWK8w-0007cE-00; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:42:03 -0800 Message-ID: <00b301c3c404$51913550$eec0b041@noneflzmskjmuf> From: "Tom and Esther Ward" To: "cris" Cc: References: Subject: Re: step by step instruction on how to start gnome Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:42:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B0_01C3C3DA.67CF1FA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01C3C3DA.67CF1FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, Cris. At the current time gnome-speech does not have Dectalk Express = support. There is a driver I am developing, but I haven't done much with = that project as of late. For the time being you'll need your sound card operational so that you = can use gnopernicus with a software speech system such as festival, = freetts, or the dectalk software from Fonix. I'm not certain, but I believe Fedora uses the Red Hat sndconfig utility = for sound card configuration. If so make sure sndconfig is installed, and run sndconfig which is a = textual dialog based application which will walk you step by step = through the sound configuration. As for starting gnome you'll need three things. One make sure the = x-windows server is installed properly. Make sure gnome is installed and = set as your default desktop. These questions were probably asked during = the Linux install, and while installing you should have installed x and = a gnome desktop. It is also a good idea to install festival as = gnopernicus generally defaults to festival first. If so you are ready to = start up gnome with accessibility. Before launching gnome for the first time this accessibility key must be = set. This only needs to be once. gconftool-2 --type bool --set /desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility = true Now, type startx and x-windows should load. At this point press alt-f2 to get a run dialog, type gnopernicus, and = press enter. Assuming your sound card is operational, festival is installed, you = should here welcome to gnopernicus. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: cris=20 To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:59 PM Subject: step by step instruction on how to start gnome > > Hi Folks, > Where can I find a step by step instructions on how to start gnome = with > gnopernicus? I am completely illiterate with linux. I just = installed fedora > and want to play with gnome. My fedora could not detect my sound = system, so > I want to try gnopernicus with dectalk express. If any of you can = guide me > through this process, I will be grateful. > Cheers, > Cris ------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01C3C3DA.67CF1FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello, Cris.
At the current time gnome-speech =  does=20 not have  Dectalk Express support. There is a driver I am = developing, but I=20 haven't done much with that project as of late.
For the time being you'll need your = sound card=20 operational so that you can use gnopernicus with a software speech = system such=20 as festival, freetts, or the dectalk software from Fonix.
I'm not certain, but I believe Fedora = uses the Red=20 Hat sndconfig utility for sound card configuration.
If so make sure sndconfig is installed, = and run=20 sndconfig which is a textual dialog based application which will walk = you step=20 by step through the sound configuration.
As for starting gnome you'll need three = things. One=20 make sure the x-windows server is installed properly. Make sure gnome is = installed and set as your default desktop. These questions were probably = asked=20 during the Linux install, and while installing you should have installed = x and a=20 gnome desktop. It is also a good idea to install festival as gnopernicus = generally defaults to festival first. If so you are ready to start up = gnome with=20 accessibility.
Before launching gnome for the first = time this=20 accessibility key must be set. This only needs to be once.
gconftool-2 --type bool --set=20 /desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility true
Now, type startx and x-windows should=20 load.
At this point press alt-f2 to = get a run=20 dialog, type gnopernicus, and press enter.
Assuming your sound card is = operational, festival=20 is installed, you should here welcome to gnopernicus.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 cris=20
To: gnome-accessibility-li= st@gnome.org=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, = 2003 12:59=20 PM
Subject: step by step = instruction on how=20 to start gnome

>
> Hi Folks,
> Where = can I find a=20 step by step instructions on how to start gnome with
> = gnopernicus? I am=20 completely illiterate with linux.  I just installed = fedora
> and=20 want to play with gnome.  My fedora could not detect my sound = system,=20 so
> I want to try gnopernicus with dectalk express.  If = any of you=20 can guide me
> through this process, I will be grateful.
> = Cheers,
> Cris
------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01C3C3DA.67CF1FA0-- From tward1978@earthlink.net Tue Dec 16 13:46:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E38C41829A for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:46:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdn-ap-019ilchicp0238.dialsprint.net ([65.176.192.238] helo=noneflzmskjmuf) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AWKD3-0000wY-00; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:46:18 -0800 Message-ID: <00cc01c3c404$e98581e0$eec0b041@noneflzmskjmuf> From: "Tom and Esther Ward" To: "Delaunay Christophe" Cc: References: <05B4910E0216D411B14F00508B6A67A9055134A4@renexch5.rennes.thmulti.com> Subject: Re: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 does not want to init my brl display Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:46:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, Delaunay. There is a known bug with gnopernicus 0.7.0 which ships with Drake where the braille support is broken. You must download 0.7.1 from gnome.org and rebuild ggnopernicus from that in order to get braille support. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Delaunay Christophe" To: "Gnome Accessibility List (E-mail)" Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 5:58 AM Subject: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 does not want to init my brl display > Hello listers, > > From the console, when I type startx, gnopernicus starts talking but does > not want to initialize my braille display. > > I know that this question seems like a faq but before asking for your help, > I made sure twice I really did all what I read in the documentation. > > So, here is my configuration : > > - linux mandrake 9.2 on a Compaq DeskPro with 512 mb of ram and PIII > processor running at 750 mHz; > - brltty rev. 3.3.1 compiled with --enable-api and driving a > braillex ELba, (Papenmeier braille display with 32 cells); > - gnopernicus 0.7.0 with all gnome accessibility features installed, > comprising the java access bridge. > - The used TTS is festival 1.4.3 but due to problem with my > soundboard, it really speaks too fast, (like a tape going twice its speed). > > When I launch "startx", gnopernicus is really launched and begins to speak > but here is what I receive on stderr. > ------------------- > ********************** > * SCREEN READER CORE * > ********************** > > GTK Accessibility Module initialized > > brl_open_device: open device failed > ** BRAILLE initialization failed for BRLTTY on port 1 > To change one or more settings use gnopernicus UI > > (srcore:5924): gnopernicus-WARNING **: Callbacks are NOT supported by "V0 > Kevin - Festival GNOME Speech Driver" voice. > gnopernicus-Message: speech initialization succeded > ----------------- > > First, I checked for the presence of /etc/brlapi.key. It's really here and I > can read it. > > Then, I used the "gconftool-2" command as stated in brltty's > "README.gnopernicus" file in order to let gnopernicus use the brltty API. > > Then, I wrote a .xinitrc file in my home directory as follows : > -------------------- > #!/bin/sh > > # Define environment variables. > GARNOME=/usr # garnome is not installed on this computer > PYTHONPATH=/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages > GDK_USE_XFT=1 > GTK_MODULES=gail:atk-bridge > export PYTHONPATH GDK_USE_XFT GTK_MODULES > > # Configure Gnome. > gconftool-2 --type bool --set /apps/desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility > true > > # Tell Gnopernicus which virtual terminal is being used by the X display. > # This is a bit complicated so cut-and-paste (rather than retype) it. > CONTROLVT="$(grep "using VT number" "/var/log/XFree86.$(echo "$DISPLAY" | > sed -e "s/^.*::*\([0-9]*\).*$/\1/").log" | sed -e "s/^.*using VT number > \([0-9]*\).*$/\1/")" > # I added next lines to print the value of CONTROLVT > echo -n "=*=*=* The CONTROLVT variable was set to " > echo -n $CONTROLVT > echo " =*=*=*" > export CONTROLVT > > # Start the Gnome session. > exec $GARNOME/bin/gnome-session > ------------------ > > When the X session start, I can notice that the CONTROLVT variable is set to > 7. > > So, what may be causing this braille initialization problem? > > Is there a way in which gnopernicus could be more precise at init time when > an error occurs? > > Many thanks in advance. Have a nice day. Chris > _______________________________________________ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > From deedra@dmwaters.us Tue Dec 16 19:39:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46DB518383 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:39:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from simba ([68.212.8.108]) by imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031217003945.OPQL17885.imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net@simba>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:39:45 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:38:54 -0600 (CST) From: Deedra Waters X-X-Sender: dmwaters@simba To: Deedra Waters Cc: padraig o'briain , gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: problems with gnome java access bridge In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <3FDEC11B.EE50B0B5@sun.com> <3FDF1F0E.8B8D3539@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ok, removing mozilla seems to have fixed the insane load average, and memory consumption. As near as I can tell, several instences of mozilla seem to be starting, so many that it seems to be swamping my machine entirely. On a slightly different topic, I see a lot of this while gnome is running.... gnopernicus-Message: Multiple instances are NOT ALLOWED. This instance will end.gnopernicus-Message: Multiple instances are NOT ALLOWED. This instance will end.gnopernicus-Message: Multiple instances are NOT ALLOWED. This instance will end.You can only run one xsettings manager at a time; exiting Can anyone tell me why this is happening? and if this is normal? Now I just need to find out why gnopernicus seems to be unresponsive after it starts up, though I guess I might be able to figure that out soon enough. Thanks for your help. On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Deedra Waters wrote: > --[PinePGP]--------------------------------------------------[begin]-- > heh, once I start x, the problem is that my poor machine gets slammed, even with processes reniced to 20, with in a minute or two my load hits 50, and all I can do is sit there and look at it. I suspect that if I had about 10 times my ram, this might be easier for me to debug.:) > > Can you suggest any ways for me to grab a strace of it before I get slammed? > > > On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, padraig o'briain wrote: > > > This does not sound like anything to do with the java access bridge. > > > > Is this a process running at-spi-registryd and can you get a stack trace from it? > > > > Padraig > > > > Deedra Waters wrote: > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > All I did was type startx. As to what was using up my cpu, top didn't show me anything out of the ordinary, top was at the top of the list. > > > > > > What I do know is that This did not happen till I upgraded at-spi, and installed the java access bridge. > > > > > > On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, padraig o'briain wrote: > > > > > > > You do not state what Java application you were running or what applications are using up your CPU. > > > > > > > > Padraig > > > > > > > > > > > > Deedra Waters wrote: > > > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > > > > I don't really know if anyone is going to have answers for this or not. > > > > > > > > > > I was installing the 1.2.1 version of the gnome java access bridge, and it asked meto upgrade at-spi, so I did that. the version I upgraded to with that is 1.3.9. > > > > > > > > > > Well, I started gnome with no problems gnopernicus was talking, then all the sudeen it got real quiet, and the load on my machine went through the roof, till I ended up with: 18:16:21 up 21:08, 8 users, load average: 49.24, 42.37, 24.75 > > > > > > > > > > It was using all of my ram (128mb) and 210mb of swap space. > > > > > > > > > > The thing I'm wondering is, what could possibley be causing such a mess, yeah, I know I don't have a lot of memory, but that can't be the only problem here. What could flatten my machine in a few minutes like that that's inside gnome, or any of theese two latest apps I've installed? > > > > > > > > > > If someone could please give me some answers to this, I would appreciate it. Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > - -- > > > > > Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, > > > > > http://www.gentoo.org > > > > > > > > > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > > > > > iD8DBQE/3lTuU5AGPOTGNc8RAi3jAJ4qQ5M5c2MA8+VMITebrHQ/ioTdsQCfbC/Y > > > > > H0zc0A/P5VBi0cfwlO8gtnU= > > > > > =1Wt9 > > > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > > > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > > > > > > > - -- > > > Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, > > > http://www.gentoo.org > > > > > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > iD8DBQE/3x4LU5AGPOTGNc8RAvPiAKCSBRR9aEeIF4sbcrMgpaV6TVCyuACgq/yW > > > nVjnNo6Ww1xgThOGZcSUtKA= > > > =pjAG > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > -- > Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, > http://www.gentoo.org > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > --[PinePGP]----------------------------------------------------------- > gpg: Signature made Tue Dec 16 09:27:24 2003 CST using DSA key ID E4C635CF > gpg: Good signature from "Deedra Waters " > gpg: aka "Deedra Waters " > gpg: aka "Deedra Waters " > gpg: aka "Deedra Waters " > --[PinePGP]----------------------------------------------------[end]-- > - -- Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, http://www.gentoo.org Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/36WlU5AGPOTGNc8RAvbnAKCB5Ti7egpn6o3FxJHW/cQXXIXOcACZAY4E ZJFGt0S7vIaGmLastwgLRlE= =1MdY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From christophe.delaunay@thomson.net Wed Dec 17 02:24:00 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@mail.gnome.org Received: from ns1.thmulti.com (ns1.thmulti.com [141.11.234.67]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F0A618348 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 02:24:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprelay.thmulti.com (smtprelay [141.11.194.9]) by ns1.thmulti.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA28373 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:23:57 +0100 (MET) Received: from parexch9.paris.thmulti.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtprelay.thmulti.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA28524 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:23:56 +0100 (MET) Received: by outlook.paris.thmulti.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:23:57 +0100 Message-ID: <05B4910E0216D411B14F00508B6A67A9055134A6@renexch5.rennes.thmulti.com> From: Delaunay Christophe To: "Gnome Accessibility List (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 does not want to init my brl display Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:23:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi Tom, Many thanks for your reply. I finally did it and it nearly works. The = only problem which remains is that since my braille display is quite short, = (32 cells only), it only shows me the beginning of a chunk and I don't know = how to display the end. When I perform a CmtFWinRt command, it directly = goes to next item and I did not figure out how to change this behaviour yet. It = is especially annoying while getting long edit fields or checkboxes with = long descriptions since the check mark is presented at the end. So, if anyone knows how to configure gnopernicus in order to display = the entirety of each item on a short braille display, I would appreciate = any hint. Many thanks to all those who helped me to have braille support. Have a = nice day. Chris -----Original Message----- From: Tom and Esther Ward [mailto:tward1978@earthlink.net] Sent: mardi 16 d=E9cembre 2003 19:46 To: Delaunay Christophe Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 does not want to init my brl display Hi, Delaunay. There is a known bug with gnopernicus 0.7.0 which ships with Drake = where the braille support is broken. You must download 0.7.1 from gnome.org and rebuild ggnopernicus from that in order to get braille support. From christophe.delaunay@thomson.net Wed Dec 17 09:04:00 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@mail.gnome.org Received: from ns1.thmulti.com (ns1.thmulti.com [141.11.234.67]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 373F5181DA for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:03:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprelay.thmulti.com (smtprelay [141.11.194.9]) by ns1.thmulti.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA27068 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:03:56 +0100 (MET) Received: from parexch9.paris.thmulti.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtprelay.thmulti.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA02281 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:03:54 +0100 (MET) Received: by outlook.paris.thmulti.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:03:56 +0100 Message-ID: <05B4910E0216D411B14F00508B6A67A9055134A8@renexch5.rennes.thmulti.com> From: Delaunay Christophe To: "Gnome Accessibility List (E-mail)" Subject: gnopernicus and gnome terminal Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:03:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi listers, I wanted to use the gnome terminal in order to try launching a java application. Problem : When I launch the terminal, gnopernicus reports that it is an unknown terminal and does not want to read the command line. Or, perhaps, I don't know how to bring the display to it. So, what should I do? Many thanks in advance. Have a nice day. Chris From christophe.delaunay@thomson.net Wed Dec 17 09:46:09 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@mail.gnome.org Received: from ns1.thmulti.com (ns1.thmulti.com [141.11.234.67]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72DC518514 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:46:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprelay.thmulti.com (smtprelay [141.11.194.9]) by ns1.thmulti.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA03298 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:46:07 +0100 (MET) Received: from parexch3.paris.thmulti.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtprelay.thmulti.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA09280 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:46:03 +0100 (MET) Received: by parexch3 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:11:53 +0100 Message-ID: <05B4910E0216D411B14F00508B6A67A9055134A9@renexch5.rennes.thmulti.com> From: Delaunay Christophe To: "Gnome Accessibility List (E-mail)" Subject: gnopernicus and braille paning Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:12:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi listers, I'm using gnopernicus through BRLTTY's API with a quite small 32 cells display. I noticed that the "pan right" command of my display is mapped to BRLTTY's "CmdFWinRt", which in turn is mapped to "Do default action", in gnopernicus. In fact, when I issue the pan right command, it simply displays next item. However, when there are long items to display, how can I manage to read more than its 32 first characters on my display? Hope my explanations are clear enough and many thanks in advance for any advice. Have a nice day. Chris From rjc@MIT.EDU Wed Dec 17 14:50:38 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.83]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 194D2181FE for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:50:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from central-city-carrier-station.mit.edu (CENTRAL-CITY-CARRIER-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.72]) by pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id hBHJobxY021682 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:50:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.86]) by central-city-carrier-station.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id hBHJoa54005595 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:50:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from johnlennon (JOHNLENNON.MIT.EDU [18.113.1.240]) ) by melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with SMTP id hBHJoYRj001311 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:50:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002201c3c4d6$fdb1cfc0$f0017112@johnlennon> From: "Rich Caloggero" To: References: <05B4910E0216D411B14F00508B6A67A9055134A6@renexch5.rennes.thmulti.com> Subject: Re: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 does not want to init my brl display Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:50:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I'm wondering the same thing. How can we change the way Gnopernicus renders information either in speech or braille? Its somewhere in the config settings, but the UI I found to change some of these rules for how to pronounce different UI items is itself hard to use because of the way the rules are setup. So, is there a text-based way of changing these settings, and some documentation on how to do it? Thanx in advance... Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Delaunay Christophe" To: "Gnome Accessibility List (E-mail)" Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:23 AM Subject: RE: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 does not want to init my brl display Hi Tom, Many thanks for your reply. I finally did it and it nearly works. The only problem which remains is that since my braille display is quite short, (32 cells only), it only shows me the beginning of a chunk and I don't know how to display the end. When I perform a CmtFWinRt command, it directly goes to next item and I did not figure out how to change this behaviour yet. It is especially annoying while getting long edit fields or checkboxes with long descriptions since the check mark is presented at the end. So, if anyone knows how to configure gnopernicus in order to display the entirety of each item on a short braille display, I would appreciate any hint. Many thanks to all those who helped me to have braille support. Have a nice day. Chris -----Original Message----- From: Tom and Esther Ward [mailto:tward1978@earthlink.net] Sent: mardi 16 décembre 2003 19:46 To: Delaunay Christophe Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 does not want to init my brl display Hi, Delaunay. There is a known bug with gnopernicus 0.7.0 which ships with Drake where the braille support is broken. You must download 0.7.1 from gnome.org and rebuild ggnopernicus from that in order to get braille support. _______________________________________________ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list From Peter.Korn@Sun.COM Wed Dec 17 18:44:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from nwkea-mail-2.sun.com (nwkea-mail-2.sun.com [192.18.42.14]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A720A18B72 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:44:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from phys-d3-ha21sca-1 ([129.145.155.163]) by nwkea-mail-2.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBHNiL0H027190 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:44:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun.com (vpn-129-150-19-83.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.19.83]) by ha21sca-mail1.sfbay.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HQ2007GTCLWYK@ha21sca-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> for gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:44:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:44:18 -0800 From: Peter Korn Subject: Re: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 does not want to init my brl display To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Message-id: <3FE0EA52.9090108@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 References: <05B4910E0216D411B14F00508B6A67A9055134A6@renexch5.rennes.thmulti.com> <002201c3c4d6$fdb1cfc0$f0017112@johnlennon> Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi Rich, Chris, > I'm wondering the same thing. How can we change the way Gnopernicus renders > information either in speech or braille? Its somewhere in the config > settings, but the UI I found to change some of these rules for how to > pronounce different UI items is itself hard to use because of the way the > rules are setup. So, is there a text-based way of changing these settings, > and some documentation on how to do it? > > Thanx in advance... Chris - which Braille display are you using? I don't think BAUM owns all of the displays they support (especially since the BrlTTY work). Also, what are the Braille command settings in the Preferences->Braille Preferences->Braille Key Mapping dialog (the Braille Keys tab)? Gnopernicus version 0.71 defines these Braille keys as "DKxx". You can map these to whatever Gnopernicus command you want. See if that fixes things for you. Both Rich and Chris - the presentation output changes you want to make can be found in the Preferences->Presentation dialog. This is currently a very difficult dialog to use, and as a result of feedback from folks Sun brought into our Usability Labs BAUM is in the middle of redesigning these dialogs. For now, you need to arrow down through the table to find the line containing the combination of [output device, role, event] and modify the presentation string (in the "chunk" column) to make the output be what you want. Note also that in addition to the dialog changes that are in process, BAUM is changing the syntax of the output "chunk", moving to XML. Finally, while these strings are stored in gconf for now, they will be moving to their own XML file which gets read at startup time. So, the basic answer is that you can change things now, and hopefully soon (before GNOME 2.6.0) it will be much easier to change them! Regards, Peter Korn Sun Accessibility team > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Delaunay Christophe" > To: "Gnome Accessibility List (E-mail)" > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:23 AM > Subject: RE: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 does not want to init my brl display > > > Hi Tom, > > Many thanks for your reply. I finally did it and it nearly works. The only > problem which remains is that since my braille display is quite short, (32 > cells only), it only shows me the beginning of a chunk and I don't know how > to display the end. When I perform a CmtFWinRt command, it directly goes to > next item and I did not figure out how to change this behaviour yet. It is > especially annoying while getting long edit fields or checkboxes with long > descriptions since the check mark is presented at the end. > > So, if anyone knows how to configure gnopernicus in order to display the > entirety of each item on a short braille display, I would appreciate any > hint. > > Many thanks to all those who helped me to have braille support. Have a nice > day. Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom and Esther Ward [mailto:tward1978@earthlink.net] > Sent: mardi 16 décembre 2003 19:46 > To: Delaunay Christophe > Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 does not want to init my brl display > > > Hi, Delaunay. > There is a known bug with gnopernicus 0.7.0 which ships with Drake where the > braille support is broken. You must download 0.7.1 from gnome.org and > rebuild ggnopernicus from that in order to get braille support. > _______________________________________________ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list From filastin48@hotmail.com Thu Dec 18 16:17:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from hotmail.com (law11-oe42.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.16.100]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D42518327 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:17:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:17:58 -0800 Received: from 141.161.90.161 by law11-oe42.law11.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:17:58 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [141.161.90.161] X-Originating-Email: [filastin48@hotmail.com] X-Sender: filastin48@hotmail.com Reply-To: "cris" From: "cris" To: Subject: help with gnome and gnopernicus. Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:23:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01C3C583.57109CC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Dec 2003 21:17:58.0509 (UTC) FILETIME=[691D71D0:01C3C5AC] Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C3C583.57109CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi folks, When I logged out of the gnome session I had save session = checked, I did this several times. Now, every time I run gnome, I have = many coppies running at the same time. So, everything gnopernicus says, = it gets repeated several times. I can no longer understand what it says = because of this problem. Is there a way of manually deleting those = settings and starting fresh with the command line? How can I solve this = problem? =20 I also want to know where to find a document that lists the basic screen = review commands of gnopernicus, so that I can read the help files. Any help would be extremely appreciated. Cris ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C3C583.57109CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi folks,    When I = logged out of=20 the gnome session I had save session checked, I did this several = times. =20 Now, every time I run gnome, I have many coppies running at the same = time. =20 So, everything gnopernicus says, it gets repeated several times.  I = can no=20 longer understand what it says because of this problem.  Is there a = way of=20 manually deleting those settings and starting fresh with the command = line? =20 How can I solve this problem? 
I also want to know where to find a = document that=20 lists the basic screen review commands of gnopernicus, so that I can = read the=20 help files.
Any help would be extremely=20 appreciated.
Cris
------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C3C583.57109CC0-- From tward1978@earthlink.net Thu Dec 18 17:06:56 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net (conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.54]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85EBC180E4 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:06:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdn-ap-017ilchicp0448.dialsprint.net ([65.176.169.194] helo=noneflzmskjmuf) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AX6II-0006le-00; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:06:54 -0800 Message-ID: <009501c3c5b3$47a417a0$c2a9b041@noneflzmskjmuf> From: "Tom and Esther Ward" To: "cris" Cc: References: Subject: Re: help with gnome and gnopernicus. Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:07:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0092_01C3C589.5D3D8490" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0092_01C3C589.5D3D8490 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One possible solution is to delete the session files in your .gnome2 = directory in your home directory. If you can't find them it might just be easier to delete .gnome2 = directory, and let it get recreated when launching gnome again. Note, you will probably loose any settings you have for gnopernicus so = be prepared to reset your favorite settings. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: cris=20 To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org=20 Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 4:23 PM Subject: help with gnome and gnopernicus. Hi folks, When I logged out of the gnome session I had save session = checked, I did this several times. Now, every time I run gnome, I have = many coppies running at the same time. So, everything gnopernicus says, = it gets repeated several times. I can no longer understand what it says = because of this problem. Is there a way of manually deleting those = settings and starting fresh with the command line? How can I solve this = problem? =20 I also want to know where to find a document that lists the basic = screen review commands of gnopernicus, so that I can read the help = files. Any help would be extremely appreciated. Cris ------=_NextPart_000_0092_01C3C589.5D3D8490 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
One possible solution is to delete the = session=20 files in your .gnome2 directory in your home directory.
If you can't find them it might just be = easier to=20 delete .gnome2 directory, and let it get recreated when launching gnome=20 again.
Note, you will probably loose any = settings you have=20 for gnopernicus so be prepared to reset your favorite = settings.
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 cris=20
To: gnome-accessibility-li= st@gnome.org=20
Sent: Thursday, December 18, = 2003 4:23=20 PM
Subject: help with gnome and=20 gnopernicus.

Hi folks,    When I = logged out of=20 the gnome session I had save session checked, I did this several = times. =20 Now, every time I run gnome, I have many coppies running at the same=20 time.  So, everything gnopernicus says, it gets repeated several=20 times.  I can no longer understand what it says because of this=20 problem.  Is there a way of manually deleting those settings and = starting=20 fresh with the command line?  How can I solve this problem?  =
I also want to know where to find a = document that=20 lists the basic screen review commands of gnopernicus, so that I can = read the=20 help files.
Any help would be extremely=20 appreciated.
Cris
------=_NextPart_000_0092_01C3C589.5D3D8490-- From jcf@tpg.com.au Fri Dec 19 07:24:56 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from mail4.tpgi.com.au (mail4.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.61]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF52618481 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 07:24:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from tpg.com.au (220-244-166-219.tpgi.com.au [220.244.166.219]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail4.tpgi.com.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBJCOrfC019213 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 23:24:53 +1100 Message-ID: <3FE2EE16.5050909@tpg.com.au> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 23:24:54 +1100 From: Jeff Franks User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: AtkHyperlink question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, I'm updating the API I use for my Inti C++ ATK binding to ATK 1.5.1 (CVS) and I had a couple of questions. Previously I have wrapped all the class and Iface virtual functions, such as those in AtkHyperlinkClass and AtkTextIface. I'm feel this may be overkill in the wrapping department for the average programmer but I assumed these functions would need to be implemented when adding accessibility support to a custom or new widgets. Is this the case? What is the purpose of the "link_state" function pointer in AtkHyperlink. There doesn't seem to be a corresponding function for it. Thanks, Jeff Franks. From alpuzz@comcast.net Fri Dec 26 14:39:18 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C9C0186E5 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 14:39:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from tecra8100 (bgp01091460bgs.waren401.mi.comcast.net[68.43.185.118]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2003122619391601200r4dt0e>; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 19:39:17 +0000 Message-ID: <002701c3cbe8$46748b40$6900a8c0@waren401.mi.comcast.net> From: "Al Puzzuoli" To: Subject: Problems installing DECTALK Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 14:41:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01C3CBBE.5CEF0960" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C3CBBE.5CEF0960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, I am attempting to set up dec speech on a system running Fedora, and am = encountering a problem. First, i ran the dec installer, and it seemed to install with no = problems. Then, I rebuilt and installed Gnome-speech-0.2.7. When I = configured it, I used the --prefix=3D/usr and --sysconfdir=3D/etc = options. According to configure, both the dec and festival drivers were built, = and when I run test-speech, that fact appears to be confirmed. The = Festival server tests out okay; however, I get the following output if I = attempt to select the dec server: =20 1: OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Dectalk:proto0.2 2: OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Festival:proto0.2 Select a server: 1 Atempting to activate = OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Dectalk:proto0.2. No server selected. Does anyone have any idea what might be going on? Thanks, --Al ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C3CBBE.5CEF0960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all,
I am attempting to set up dec speech on = a system=20 running Fedora, and am encountering a problem.
First, i ran the dec installer, and it = seemed to=20 install with no problems.  Then, I  rebuilt and installed=20 Gnome-speech-0.2.7.  When I configured it, I used the = --prefix=3D/usr and=20 --sysconfdir=3D/etc options.
According to configure, both the dec = and festival=20 drivers were built, and when I run test-speech, that fact appears to be=20 confirmed. The Festival server tests out okay; however, I get the = following=20 output if I attempt to select the dec server: 
 

1: OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Dectalk:proto0.2
2:=20 OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Festival:proto0.2
 
Select a server: 1
Atempting to activate=20 OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Dectalk:proto0.2.
No server=20 selected.
 
Does anyone have any idea what might be going on?
 
Thanks,
 
--Al

 
------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C3CBBE.5CEF0960-- From alpuzz@comcast.net Fri Dec 26 15:10:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2E84182CA for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 15:10:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from tecra8100 (bgp01091460bgs.waren401.mi.comcast.net[68.43.185.118]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2003122620104401600rlupse>; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 20:10:44 +0000 Message-ID: <003a01c3cbec$ab707460$6900a8c0@waren401.mi.comcast.net> From: "Al Puzzuoli" To: References: <002701c3cbe8$46748b40$6900a8c0@waren401.mi.comcast.net> Subject: Re: Please disregard Problems installing DECTALK Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 15:13:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0037_01C3CBC2.C1C960C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C3CBC2.C1C960C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable After poking around some more in the archives, I discovered that I = needed to edit files.sh and set the base dir to /usr before installing = dec. This seems to have done the trick so it looks like i'm on my way. Thanks, ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Al Puzzuoli=20 To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org=20 Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 2:41 PM Subject: Problems installing DECTALK Hello all, I am attempting to set up dec speech on a system running Fedora, and = am encountering a problem. First, i ran the dec installer, and it seemed to install with no = problems. Then, I rebuilt and installed Gnome-speech-0.2.7. When I = configured it, I used the --prefix=3D/usr and --sysconfdir=3D/etc = options. According to configure, both the dec and festival drivers were built, = and when I run test-speech, that fact appears to be confirmed. The = Festival server tests out okay; however, I get the following output if I = attempt to select the dec server: =20 1: OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Dectalk:proto0.2 2: OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Festival:proto0.2 Select a server: 1 Atempting to activate = OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Dectalk:proto0.2. No server selected. Does anyone have any idea what might be going on? Thanks, --Al ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C3CBC2.C1C960C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
After poking around some more in the = archives, I=20 discovered that I needed to edit files.sh and set the base dir to /usr = before=20 installing dec.  This seems to have done the trick so it looks like = i'm on=20 my way.
 
Thanks,
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Al = Puzzuoli=20
To: gnome-accessibility-li= st@gnome.org=20
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 = 2:41=20 PM
Subject: Problems installing=20 DECTALK

Hello all,
I am attempting to set up dec speech = on a system=20 running Fedora, and am encountering a problem.
First, i ran the dec installer, and = it seemed to=20 install with no problems.  Then, I  rebuilt and installed=20 Gnome-speech-0.2.7.  When I configured it, I used the = --prefix=3D/usr and=20 --sysconfdir=3D/etc options.
According to configure, both the dec = and festival=20 drivers were built, and when I run test-speech, that fact appears to = be=20 confirmed. The Festival server tests out okay; however, I get the = following=20 output if I attempt to select the dec server: 
 

1: OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Dectalk:proto0.2
2: = OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Festival:proto0.2
 
Select a server: 1
Atempting to activate=20 OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Dectalk:proto0.2.
No server=20 selected.
 
Does anyone have any idea what might be going on?
 
Thanks,
 
--Al

 
------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C3CBC2.C1C960C0-- From tward1978@earthlink.net Sat Dec 27 01:04:29 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D303189AD for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 01:04:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdn-ap-020ilchicp0474.dialsprint.net ([65.176.201.220] helo=noneflzmskjmuf) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Aa7Ym-000526-00; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 22:04:24 -0800 Message-ID: <00d301c3cc3f$5267b4c0$dcc9b041@noneflzmskjmuf> From: "Tom and Esther Ward" To: "Al Puzzuoli" Cc: References: <002701c3cbe8$46748b40$6900a8c0@waren401.mi.comcast.net> Subject: Re: Problems installing DECTALK Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 01:04:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D0_01C3CC15.68D9F580" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D0_01C3CC15.68D9F580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I had the exact problem on Mandrake 9.2. I fsolved the problem by = copying the Dectalk libs from the Dectalk installer into /usr/lib and = the problem went away. Hth. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Al Puzzuoli=20 To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org=20 Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 2:41 PM Subject: Problems installing DECTALK Hello all, I am attempting to set up dec speech on a system running Fedora, and = am encountering a problem. First, i ran the dec installer, and it seemed to install with no = problems. Then, I rebuilt and installed Gnome-speech-0.2.7. When I = configured it, I used the --prefix=3D/usr and --sysconfdir=3D/etc = options. According to configure, both the dec and festival drivers were built, = and when I run test-speech, that fact appears to be confirmed. The = Festival server tests out okay; however, I get the following output if I = attempt to select the dec server: =20 1: OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Dectalk:proto0.2 2: OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Festival:proto0.2 Select a server: 1 Atempting to activate = OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Dectalk:proto0.2. No server selected. Does anyone have any idea what might be going on? Thanks, --Al =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00D0_01C3CC15.68D9F580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, I had the exact problem on Mandrake = 9.2. I=20 fsolved the problem by copying the Dectalk libs from the Dectalk = installer into=20 /usr/lib and the problem went away.
Hth.
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Al = Puzzuoli=20
To: gnome-accessibility-li= st@gnome.org=20
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 = 2:41=20 PM
Subject: Problems installing=20 DECTALK

Hello all,
I am attempting to set up dec speech = on a system=20 running Fedora, and am encountering a problem.
First, i ran the dec installer, and = it seemed to=20 install with no problems.  Then, I  rebuilt and installed=20 Gnome-speech-0.2.7.  When I configured it, I used the = --prefix=3D/usr and=20 --sysconfdir=3D/etc options.
According to configure, both the dec = and festival=20 drivers were built, and when I run test-speech, that fact appears to = be=20 confirmed. The Festival server tests out okay; however, I get the = following=20 output if I attempt to select the dec server: 
 

1: OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Dectalk:proto0.2
2: = OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Festival:proto0.2
 
Select a server: 1
Atempting to activate=20 OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Dectalk:proto0.2.
No server=20 selected.
 
Does anyone have any idea what might be going on?
 
Thanks,
 
--Al

 
------=_NextPart_000_00D0_01C3CC15.68D9F580-- From lists@digitaldarragh.com Tue Dec 30 13:47:05 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.secure-ssl-server.us (mail.secure-ssl-server.us [212.17.38.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BE2E18B04 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 13:47:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from D ([193.203.157.196]) by mail.secure-ssl-server.us (Merak 6.0.8) with ASMTP id FF8D6A80 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:47:05 -0000 Message-ID: <00de01c3cf05$4f888900$0301a8c0@D> From: "Darragh" To: Subject: Gnopernicus wasn't installed Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:47:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C3CF05.4F519A80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C3CF05.4F519A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, Can any one tall me how to get gnopernicus and the associated programs = installed? I'm Running a new installation of Mandrake 9.2=20 Any help appreciated. I'm also looking for information on installing festivle. Darragh -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------------------------------- Why do we spend more time troubleshooting our systems than = actually using them? =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------------------------------- ------=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C3CF05.4F519A80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all,
Can any one tall me how to get = gnopernicus and the=20 associated programs installed?
 
I'm Running a new installation of = Mandrake 9.2=20
 
Any help appreciated.
 
I'm also looking for information on = installing=20 festivle.
 
 
Darragh
----------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------------------------------<= BR>     =20 Why do we spend more time troubleshooting our systems than actually = using=20 them?       =20
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------=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C3CF05.4F519A80-- From nath.ml@free.fr Tue Dec 30 15:35:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from postfix3-1.free.fr (postfix3-1.free.fr [213.228.0.44]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76E8C185FF for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 15:35:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from spy.home (lns-th2-15-82-64-236-218.adsl.proxad.net [82.64.236.218]) by postfix3-1.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28260C41F1; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 21:35:36 +0100 (CET) To: "Darragh" Cc: Subject: Re: Gnopernicus wasn't installed References: <00de01c3cf05$4f888900$0301a8c0@D> From: Nath Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:35:54 +0100 In-Reply-To: <00de01c3cf05$4f888900$0301a8c0@D> (lists@digitaldarragh.com's message of "Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:47:00 -0000") Message-ID: <873cb2gf9h.fsf@spy.home> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I saw a few days ago that Mdk 9.2 has Gnopernicus included as an rpm package. so if it is not installed, try to find it and install it as you install a normal .rpm package. sorry not to be able to tell you more about this but I'm on Debian ... "Darragh" writes: > Hello all, > > Can any one tall me how to get gnopernicus and the associated programs > installed? > >   > > I'm Running a new installation of Mandrake 9.2 > >   > > Any help appreciated. > >   > > I'm also looking for information on installing festivle. > >   > >   > > Darragh > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >       Why do we spend more time troubleshooting our systems than actually > using them?        > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Nath From tward1978@earthlink.net Tue Dec 30 22:54:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 248D0187F4 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:54:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdn-ap-020ilchicp0202.dialsprint.net ([65.176.200.202] helo=noneflzmskjmuf) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AbXR1-0005dB-00; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 19:54:16 -0800 Message-ID: <01ef01c3cf51$c5365a00$cac8b041@noneflzmskjmuf> From: "Tom and Esther Ward" To: "Darragh" Cc: References: <00de01c3cf05$4f888900$0301a8c0@D> Subject: Re: Gnopernicus wasn't installed Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:54:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01EC_01C3CF27.D9A354E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01EC_01C3CF27.D9A354E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, Darragh. I've got some good news and bad news for you, but this is very easy to = fix. The powerpack eddition that you can purchase includes gnopernicus, = but the free iso images do not from what I can tell. I can do one of = two things. If you would like I can email you the gnopernicus rpms = directly from the Powerpack cd's that I baught, or I can point you to = some Mandrake ftp sites whwith a list of rpms to download. Mandrake does offer the gnopernicus rpms on places like planetmirror.com = and sourceforge.com, and i can certainly tell you which files you need = to download, or I can simply email them to you. Hth. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Darragh=20 To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 1:47 PM Subject: Gnopernicus wasn't installed Hello all, Can any one tall me how to get gnopernicus and the associated programs = installed? I'm Running a new installation of Mandrake 9.2=20 Any help appreciated. I'm also looking for information on installing festivle. Darragh = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------------------------------- Why do we spend more time troubleshooting our systems than = actually using them? =20 = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------------------------------- ------=_NextPart_000_01EC_01C3CF27.D9A354E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello, Darragh.
I've got some good news and bad news = for you, but=20 this is very easy to fix.  The powerpack eddition that you can = purchase=20 includes gnopernicus, but the free iso images do not from what I can = tell. =20 I can do one of two things. If you would like I can email you the = gnopernicus=20 rpms directly from the Powerpack cd's that I baught, or I can point you = to some=20 Mandrake ftp sites whwith a list of rpms to download.
Mandrake does offer the gnopernicus = rpms on places=20 like planetmirror.com and sourceforge.com, and i can certainly tell you = which=20 files you need to download, or I can simply email them to = you.
Hth.
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Darragh
To: gnome-accessibility-li= st@gnome.org=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, = 2003 1:47=20 PM
Subject: Gnopernicus wasn't=20 installed

Hello all,
Can any one tall me how to get = gnopernicus and=20 the associated programs installed?
 
I'm Running a new installation of = Mandrake 9.2=20
 
Any help appreciated.
 
I'm also looking for information on = installing=20 festivle.
 
 
Darragh
----------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------------------------------<= BR>     =20 Why do we spend more time troubleshooting our systems than actually = using=20 them?       =20 =
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------=_NextPart_000_01EC_01C3CF27.D9A354E0-- From linux@bytebot.net Tue Dec 30 23:32:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from chop.phpwebhosting.com (chop.phpwebhosting.com [66.132.134.9]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 00242186F3 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 23:32:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 18628 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 04:32:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO 6-allhosts) (219.95.201.66) by chop.phpwebhosting.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 04:32:22 -0000 Subject: Gnopernicus and Fedora Core 1 From: Colin Charles Reply-To: byte@bytebot.net To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: ByteBot.net Message-Id: <1072845142.29149.17.camel@hermione> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 12:32:23 +0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, Has anyone tried this combination? I did a "yum install gnopernicus". It installed. Ran fine[1] for a while, crashes now. [1] - fine meaning I couldn't hear any voice output, but at least the program started up. What are my options? Thanks -- Colin Charles, byte@aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ From linux@bytebot.net Wed Dec 31 02:21:56 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from chop.phpwebhosting.com (chop.phpwebhosting.com [66.132.134.9]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 830EC183DA for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 02:21:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10207 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 07:21:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO 6-allhosts) (219.95.201.66) by chop.phpwebhosting.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 07:21:53 -0000 Subject: Re: Gnopernicus and Fedora Core 1 From: Colin Charles Reply-To: byte@bytebot.net To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1072845142.29149.17.camel@hermione> References: <1072845142.29149.17.camel@hermione> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: ByteBot.net Message-Id: <1072855314.29100.25.camel@hermione> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 15:21:54 +0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, 2003-12-31 at 12:32, Colin Charles wrote: > I did a "yum install gnopernicus". It installed. Ran fine[1] for a > while, crashes now. Solved by installing festival. Is there any better text-to-speech software out there? Thanks. -- Colin Charles, byte@aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ From d@digitaldarragh.com Tue Dec 30 13:40:58 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.secure-ssl-server.us (mail.secure-ssl-server.us [212.17.38.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 385A718B5B for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 13:40:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from D ([193.203.157.196]) by mail.secure-ssl-server.us (Merak 6.0.8) with ASMTP id FF8D6A80 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:40:56 -0000 Message-ID: <00c701c3cf04$73cbf0f0$0301a8c0@D> From: "Darragh" To: Subject: Gnopernicus wasn't installed Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:40:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C4_01C3CF04.7392B880" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C4_01C3CF04.7392B880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, Can any one tall me how to get gnopernicus and the associated programs = installed? I'm Running a new installation of Mandrake 9.2=20 Any help appreciated. I'm also looking for information on installing festivle. Darragh -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------------------------------- Why do we spend more time troubleshooting our systems than = actually using them? =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------------------------------- ------=_NextPart_000_00C4_01C3CF04.7392B880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all,
Can any one tall me how to get = gnopernicus and the=20 associated programs installed?
 
I'm Running a new installation of = Mandrake 9.2=20
 
Any help appreciated.
 
I'm also looking for information on = installing=20 festivle.
 
 
Darragh
----------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------------------------------<= BR>     =20 Why do we spend more time troubleshooting our systems than actually = using=20 them?       =20
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------=_NextPart_000_00C4_01C3CF04.7392B880-- From hanksmith@hanksmith.net Mon Dec 1 10:39:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from mediacast1.com (216.55.105.70.hera.net [216.55.105.70]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8127186AF for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 10:39:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from home4pboayp77g (12-230-35-212.client.attbi.com [12.230.35.212]) by mediacast1.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id hB1FdCtY044923 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 10:39:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from hanksmith@hanksmith.net) Message-ID: <002101c3b821$45422460$2101a8c0@home4pboayp77g> From: "hank" To: Subject: testing Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 07:39:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C3B7DE.34BD26A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C3B7DE.34BD26A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable are my messages getting threw to the list? ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C3B7DE.34BD26A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C3B7DE.34BD26A0-- From lukethemuso@ozemail.com.au Mon Dec 1 15:52:12 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from smta05.mail.ozemail.net (smta05.mail.ozemail.net [203.103.165.90]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C10AE18793 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 15:52:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from luke-laptop.ozemail.com.au ([203.61.132.156]) by smta05.mail.ozemail.net with ESMTP id <20031201205158.VXQB23090.smta05.mail.ozemail.net@luke-laptop.ozemail.com.au>; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 20:51:58 +0000 Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.1.20031202074919.00ab7e90@mail.ozemail.com.au> X-Sender: lukethemuso@mail.ozemail.com.au (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 07:49:27 +1100 To: "hank" From: Luke Yelavich Subject: Re: testing Cc: In-Reply-To: <002101c3b821$45422460$2101a8c0@home4pboayp77g> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: At 02:39 AM 2/12/2003, hank wrote: >are my messages getting threw to the list? Loud and clear. Luke From michael@ximian.com Tue Dec 2 06:33:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D504182D2 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 06:33:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 27155 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 11:33:46 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO linux.local) (michael@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 11:33:45 -0000 Subject: Re: Gnopernicus Questions From: Michael Meeks To: Rich Caloggero Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <005901c3b467$41782590$f0017112@johnlennon> References: <005901c3b467$41782590$f0017112@johnlennon> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Ximian. Message-Id: <1070393526.25955.124.camel@linux.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 19:32:07 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi Rich, On Wed, 2003-11-26 at 21:50, Rich Caloggero wrote: > Well, I've gotten festival working with gnopernicus on my 500MHZ rh9 box. > Its a huge huge improvement over freeTTS in terms of speed. Great :-) > 3. I know nothing about X. However, I've checked the option in gnopernicus > to have it load on startup, and it never starts. I usually login and press > f2 and type gnopernicus. I created a session-manual file in my .gnome2 Ok - so you need to run 'gnome-session-properties' under X; go to the startup-programs tab, and add 'gnopernicus' in there. Of course - you need to start Gnome using gnome-session to get a number of things to work - are you logging in via an accessible gdm2 ? or are you doing some 'startx' thing ? - the latter may make logout not work so well. Also in any bug report, it's really useful to know about your underlying system / vendor / version stuff. Anyway - really glad this is making good progress, Regards, Michael. -- michael@ximian.com <><, Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot From tward1978@earthlink.net Wed Dec 3 14:57:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net (cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.226]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6472D18D97 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 14:57:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdn-ap-017ilchicp0324.dialsprint.net ([65.176.169.70] helo=noneflzmskjmuf) by cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1ARd7P-0002RK-00; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 11:57:04 -0800 Message-ID: <006401c3b9d7$ab6b9ed0$46a9b041@noneflzmskjmuf> From: "Tom and Esther Ward" To: "Kenny Hitt" Cc: References: <003e01c39e88$a6492c20$f5e0b041@noneflzmskjmuf> <20031030172940.GA4545@blackbox.hittsjunk.net> <002901c39f1c$d7d00220$d9c9b041@noneflzmskjmuf> <20031203171450.GA17250@blackbox.hittsjunk.net> Subject: Re: accessible email client on gnome Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 14:57:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hello. As for the focus tracking problem that is a known bug with gnopernicus 0.7 and 0.7.1 stable There are to possibilities you can do for work arounds for the problem. With gnopernicus 0.7.1. First, if you open a message in balsa by pressing enter on the current message, go to mail, and reply you can then use the regular arrows to read the entire message. Yeah, I know it isn't the same, but it works. In fact, i like doing that better than flat review as I can arrow to the letters to get exact spellings. Another less apealing solution is to update gail and gnopernicus from cvs which fixes the flat review bug, but introduces some new bugs. As to the reason I am not using balsa at the moment has nothing to do with accessibility. At the moment I am having problems with my smtp setup. Every time I try to send mail in Linux with mutt, balsa, etc my mail I get an error about not being able to send. However, balsa can pop mail off of earthlink which comes down to I can read mail I just can't send any yet. Until I get smtp going under Mandrake I will just have to improvize with the Windows email clients until such time that I solve the smtp problems. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenny Hitt" To: "Tom and Esther Ward" Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 12:14 PM Subject: Re: accessible email client on gnome > Hi. I have some questions about your suggestions. > My Gnome 2.4 and Gnopernicus 0.71 can't switch into flat review mode. > Every time I try, I get kicked back to focus tracking mode. How did you > fix this? > Second, if balsa is so accessible, why are you still using outlook > express? > > Kenny > > On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 02:34:31PM -0500, Tom and Esther Ward wrote: > > Hi. > > First tab into the text of the message. Then, I use flat review mode to read > > the message. To toggle to flat review use the delete key on the numpad while > > on kpd level 0. > > Then the numpad-8 and numpad-2 will arrow up andd down through the lines of > > the message. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kenny Hitt" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 12:29 PM > > Subject: Re: accessible email client on gnome > > > > > > > Hi. How do you get gnopernicus to read the text of the message in balsa? > > > > > > Kenny > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 08:47:48PM -0500, Tom and Esther Ward wrote: > > > > Hi. > > > > I have found balsa to be one of the most accessible email clients > > around. > > > > What I have done is set my balsa preferences to automatically open my > > inbox > > > > on startup. > > > > However, typically if there are messages in your inbox pressing enter > > should > > > > open that folder. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Don Raikes" > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 7:21 PM > > > > Subject: accessible email client on gnome > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi list, > > > > > > > > > > using gnome 2.4 > > > > > > > > > > I am looking for an accessible email client on gnome using > > gnopernicus. > > > > > > > > > > When I tried balsa, I couldn't manager to open the inbox to see what > > > > > messages I had. I saw the list of mailboxes, but couldn't figure out > > how > > > > > to open the inbox. > > > > > > > > > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > > > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > _______________________________________________ > > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > > > > > From kd7cyu@yahoo.com Thu Dec 4 16:50:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.11.34]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EE4E518264 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 16:50:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown (HELO tom) (kd7cyu@216.173.216.10 with login) by smtp003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 21:50:38 -0000 Message-ID: <002401c3bab0$b2e55410$0200000a@tom> From: "Tom Masterson" To: Subject: gnopernicus question Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:50:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01C3BA6D.A388F7D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C3BA6D.A388F7D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all I finally got x-windows and gnome too work and gnopernicus also runs. = so the next problems are: 1. it doesn't know about my braille display. This is needed since this = computer has no sound. Actually it does have a sound card but linux is = having problems with it and it has no speakers hooked too it anyway so = braille is the only option. So how do I get braille too work? 2. Brlapi tells me something like no authentication found or some such = message. Is this a problem and how do I solve it? 3. When gnopernicus comes up it has the magnifier up and my wife has = trouble finding any thing on teh screen that might help because it gets = burried behind the magnifier. is there a way too tell it not to use the = magnifier? FOr those who need this info it is gnome 2.4 and I am not sure which = version of gnopernicus as it was loaded with gnome. Thanks Tom Masterson ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C3BA6D.A388F7D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all
 
I finally got x-windows and gnome too = work and=20 gnopernicus also runs.  so the next problems are:
 
1.  it doesn't know about my = braille=20 display.  This is needed since this computer has no sound.  = Actually=20 it does have a sound card but linux is having problems with it and it = has no=20 speakers hooked too it anyway so braille is the only option.  So = how do I=20 get braille too work?
 
2.  Brlapi tells me something like = no=20 authentication found or some such message.  Is this a problem and = how do I=20 solve it?
 
3.  When gnopernicus comes up it = has the=20 magnifier up and my wife has trouble finding any thing on teh screen = that might=20 help because it gets burried behind the magnifier.  is there a way = too tell=20 it not to use the magnifier?
 
FOr those who need this info it is = gnome 2.4=20 and  I am not sure which version of gnopernicus as it was loaded = with=20 gnome.
 
Thanks
Tom = Masterson
------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C3BA6D.A388F7D0-- From alpuzz@comcast.net Thu Dec 4 18:53:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 584F3181BF for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 18:53:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from tecra8100 (bgp01091460bgs.waren401.mi.comcast.net[68.43.185.118]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20031204235358016008ei49e>; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 23:53:58 +0000 Message-ID: <001901c3bac2$3e954ea0$6900a8c0@waren401.mi.comcast.net> From: "Al Puzzuoli" To: Subject: Gnopernicus stops after a few minutes. Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 18:56:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01C3BA98.55422760" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C3BA98.55422760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Everyone, I am experimenting with Gnopernicus 0.7.1 on a system running fedora, = and am noticing that after a few minutes of use, usually anywhere = between 5 to 10 minutes, I am losing speech. When this happens, the = only way I have found to restore functionality is to reboot. I haven't = been able to come up with any reproducible factors other than that. it = has happened to me while scrolling through the start menu, working in = Balsa or even just when tabbing through the controls of the Gnopernicus = main window. =20 The problem has occurred with Festival as well as with Dectalk. The = sound card I am currently using is a SoundBlaster live with the standard = drivers as shipped with Fedora, but I also experienced the problem while = using my mainboard's integrated via chipset ac97 with oss drivers. I am working to enable Braille support as well, and once I do, it will = be interesting to see if I am just losing speech and still have Braille = output, or whether the program is crashing altogether. =20 I am a relative newbie to Linux, so if there is more pertinent = troubleshooting info that I might provide, please let me know what it is = and how to obtain it and I would be happy to do so. Thanks in advance for any thoughts. --Al ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C3BA98.55422760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Everyone,
 
I am experimenting with Gnopernicus = 0.7.1 on a=20 system running fedora, and am noticing that after a few minutes of use, = usually=20 anywhere between 5 to 10 minutes, I am losing speech.  When this = happens,=20 the only way I have found to restore functionality is to reboot.  I = haven't=20 been able to come up with any reproducible factors other than that. it = has=20 happened to me while scrolling through the start menu, working in Balsa = or even=20 just when tabbing through the controls of the Gnopernicus main = window. =20
The problem has occurred  with = Festival as=20 well as with Dectalk.  The sound card I am currently using is a=20 SoundBlaster live with the standard drivers as shipped with Fedora, but = I also=20 experienced the problem while using  my mainboard's integrated via = chipset=20 ac97 with oss drivers.
 
I am working to enable Braille support = as well, and=20 once I do, it will be interesting to see if I am just losing = speech and=20 still have Braille output, or whether the program is crashing = altogether. =20
 
I am a relative newbie to Linux, so if = there is=20 more pertinent troubleshooting info that I might provide, please = let me=20 know what it is and how to obtain it and I would be happy to do = so.
 
Thanks in advance for any = thoughts.
 
--Al
 
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C3BA98.55422760-- From michael@ximian.com Fri Dec 5 09:30:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA37918325 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 09:30:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 13594 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 14:30:48 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO linux.local) (michael@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 14:30:48 -0000 Subject: Re: Gnopernicus stops after a few minutes. From: Michael Meeks To: Al Puzzuoli Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <001901c3bac2$3e954ea0$6900a8c0@waren401.mi.comcast.net> References: <001901c3bac2$3e954ea0$6900a8c0@waren401.mi.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Ximian. Message-Id: <1070663803.1690.85.camel@linux.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 22:36:43 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi Al, On Thu, 2003-12-04 at 23:56, Al Puzzuoli wrote: > I am experimenting with Gnopernicus 0.7.1 on a system running fedora, > and am noticing that after a few minutes of use, usually anywhere > between 5 to 10 minutes, I am losing speech. So - it's likely to be a crash somewhere; possibly the speech driver, or srcore. If you have control over how the session is run do: ulimit -c unlimited beforehand; then run gnome-session; and when it stops working you _may_ have a number of core.12356 type files lying around; try working out which app these come from: $ file core.12345 will tell you what file the dump came from and: $ gdb core.12345 backtrace should get us a useful trace for debugging it; I'd tend to only bother reporting bugs against HEAD however since lots of bugs are fixed there. Regards, Michael. -- michael@ximian.com <><, Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot From kd7cyu@yahoo.com Fri Dec 5 16:46:43 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.11.33]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6D46E189CC for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 16:46:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from dsl-10.telebyte.net (HELO tom) (kd7cyu@216.173.216.10 with login) by smtp1.mail.vip.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 21:46:42 -0000 Message-ID: <004b01c3bb79$53d598d0$0200000a@tom> From: "Tom Masterson" To: Subject: gnopernicus and brltty Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:47:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0048_01C3BB36.442CA330" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C3BB36.442CA330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi I seem too have things set up according to the instructions on the = gnopernicus and brltty pages and I can even tell that brltty is running = as a proccess undr the gnome/gnopernicus console however nothing comes = out on my alva when I am in xwindows/gnome. THe cursor just sits in the = upper left corner and nothing show on the display even though I can move = around with it. Does anyone have any ideas what might be the problem? Tom ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C3BB36.442CA330 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi
 
I seem too have things set up according = to the=20 instructions on the gnopernicus and brltty pages and I can even tell = that brltty=20 is running as a proccess undr the gnome/gnopernicus console however = nothing=20 comes out on my alva when I am in xwindows/gnome.  THe cursor just = sits in=20 the upper left corner and nothing show on the display even though I can = move=20 around with it.
 
Does anyone have any ideas what might = be the=20 problem?
 
Tom
------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C3BB36.442CA330-- From mlang@lexx.delysid.org Sat Dec 6 05:37:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from lexx.delysid.org (chello080109223065.lancity.graz.surfer.at [80.109.223.65]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABEC818278 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 05:37:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mlang by lexx.delysid.org with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1ASZoX-0005TH-00; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 11:37:29 +0100 To: "Tom Masterson" Cc: Subject: Re: gnopernicus and brltty From: Mario Lang In-Reply-To: <004b01c3bb79$53d598d0$0200000a@tom> (Tom Masterson's message of "Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:47:04 -0800") References: <004b01c3bb79$53d598d0$0200000a@tom> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 11:37:29 +0100 Message-ID: <873cbyb5au.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi. DId you check if the environment variable CONTROLVT is correctly set (on most systems, it would be set to 7). Another possibility is the key file, is it readable with the user that starts gnome? "Tom Masterson" writes: > I seem too have things set up according to the instructions on the gnopernicus and brltty pages and I can even tell that brltty is running as a proccess undr the gnome/gnopernicus console however nothing comes out on my alva when I am in xwindows/gnome. THe cursor just sits in the upper left corner and nothing show on the display even though I can move around with it. > > Does anyone have any ideas what might be the problem? > > Tom -- CYa, Mario | Debian Developer | Get my public key via finger mlang@db.debian.org | 1024D/7FC1A0854909BCCDBE6C102DDFFC022A6B113E44 From alpuzz@comcast.net Sat Dec 6 23:22:44 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 966541833B for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 23:22:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from tecra8100 (bgp01091460bgs.waren401.mi.comcast.net[68.43.185.118]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20031207042237016001jqu0e>; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 04:22:37 +0000 Message-ID: <001a01c3bc7a$19c3cc00$6900a8c0@waren401.mi.comcast.net> From: "Al Puzzuoli" To: Subject: Building Gnopernicus from cvs? Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 23:25:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01C3BC50.307FE700" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C3BC50.307FE700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I am attempting to build the cvs version of Gnopernicus in hopes that = it will resolve my crashing issue. I am apparently missing a step. I = am using a standard installation of Fedora core. When I attempt to run = ./autogen.sh I get the following: "You need to install the gnome-common modual and make sure the = gnome-autogen.sh script is in your path". Any info as to how to proceed would be great. Thanks, ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C3BC50.307FE700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
 
I am attempting to build  the cvs = version of=20 Gnopernicus in hopes that it will resolve my crashing issue.  I am=20 apparently missing a step.  I am using a standard installation of = Fedora=20 core.  When I attempt to run ./autogen.sh I get the = following:
 
"You need to install the gnome-common = modual and=20 make sure the gnome-autogen.sh script is in your path".
 
Any info as to how to proceed would be=20 great.
 
Thanks,
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C3BC50.307FE700-- From malcolm@commsecure.com.au Sun Dec 7 00:06:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from commsecure.com.au (CommSecureAustPtyLtd.sb1.optus.net.au [203.202.148.106]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CD3018198 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 00:06:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from sunhill.commsecure.com.au (sunhill.commsecure.com.au [172.16.15.1]) by commsecure.com.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hB756Y724486 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 16:06:34 +1100 Received: from [172.16.14.3] (dialin-03.commsecure.com.au [172.16.14.3]) by sunhill.commsecure.com.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hB756be19095 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 16:06:37 +1100 Subject: Re: Building Gnopernicus from cvs? From: Malcolm Tredinnick To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <001a01c3bc7a$19c3cc00$6900a8c0@waren401.mi.comcast.net> References: <001a01c3bc7a$19c3cc00$6900a8c0@waren401.mi.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1070773602.3186.14.camel@quirm.tredinnick.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 (1.4.5-7) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 16:06:43 +1100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sun, 2003-12-07 at 15:25, Al Puzzuoli wrote: > Hi all, > > I am attempting to build the cvs version of Gnopernicus in hopes that > it will resolve my crashing issue. I am apparently missing a step. I > am using a standard installation of Fedora core. When I attempt to > run ./autogen.sh I get the following: > > "You need to install the gnome-common modual and make sure the > gnome-autogen.sh script is in your path". > > Any info as to how to proceed would be great. At the risk of repeating the error message, you need to install the gnome-common module. You can either download it from GNOME CVS or get a tarball from http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/gnome-common/2.4/ This module contains a bunch of common m4 macros and some build scripts (like a standard autogen.sh) so that packages don't all have to ship duplicate copies and so that we can fix bugs in one location and have them filter out to all packages that use this module. Malcolm From kd7cyu@yahoo.com Sun Dec 7 12:21:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.11.34]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C2BC618BD9 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 12:21:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown (HELO tom) (kd7cyu@216.173.216.10 with login) by smtp003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2003 17:21:16 -0000 Message-ID: <001d01c3bce6$8b16e7e0$0200000a@tom> From: "Tom Masterson" To: "Mario Lang" Cc: References: <004b01c3bb79$53d598d0$0200000a@tom> <873cbyb5au.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> Subject: Re: gnopernicus and brltty Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 09:21:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi Well the key file is readable by anyone and setting the environment variable did not help. I do still get one error on boot up which reads "unable too find /var/run/brltty.pid". This may not be an exact quote but it is close enough. I have not considered this serious but... Any more ideas as too what might be the reason for it not working with gnopernicus. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mario Lang" To: "Tom Masterson" Cc: Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 02:37 Subject: Re: gnopernicus and brltty > Hi. > > DId you check if the environment variable CONTROLVT is correctly > set (on most systems, it would be set to 7). > > Another possibility is the key file, is it readable with the user that > starts gnome? > > "Tom Masterson" writes: > > > I seem too have things set up according to the instructions on the gnopernicus and brltty pages and I can even tell that brltty is running as a proccess undr the gnome/gnopernicus console however nothing comes out on my alva when I am in xwindows/gnome. THe cursor just sits in the upper left corner and nothing show on the display even though I can move around with it. > > > > Does anyone have any ideas what might be the problem? > > > > Tom > > -- > CYa, > Mario | Debian Developer > | Get my public key via finger mlang@db.debian.org > | 1024D/7FC1A0854909BCCDBE6C102DDFFC022A6B113E44 > From jschmude@adelphia.net Mon Dec 8 06:11:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from mta11.adelphia.net (mta11.adelphia.net [68.168.78.205]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2061C180FA for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 06:11:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from beavis ([24.49.58.24]) by mta11.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031208111202.DQUS13090.mta11.adelphia.net@beavis> for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 06:12:02 -0500 Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.1.20031207201604.01bbf920@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: jschmude@mail.adelphia.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 20:18:26 -0500 To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org From: Jacob Schmude Subject: accessible GDM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 12/5/2003), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi guys I'm trying to make GDM talk. I've gone back into the archives and have added the gtkmodules to gdm.conf. I then edited the accesskey config file and put my entry for gnopernicus in there. NOw, when I press the key (ctrl+n) gnopernicus starts, but I don't get any speech. I can tell its running by logging into a text console and looking at the processes, but it just doesn't say anything. Anyone gotten this to work successfully? What am I missing here? From Brian.Cameron@Sun.COM Mon Dec 8 09:17:58 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (nwkea-mail-1.sun.com [192.18.42.13]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E95218448 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 09:17:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from phys-ita01-1 ([129.153.224.1]) by nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hB8EHvUP012967 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 06:17:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from Sun.COM (sr-edub03-03.Ireland.Sun.COM [129.156.220.17]) by ita01-mail1.central.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HPK00BEQY1Q7A@ita01-mail1.central.sun.com> for gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 08:10:40 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 14:10:37 +0000 From: Brian Cameron Subject: Re: accessible GDM To: Jacob Schmude Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Reply-To: Brian.Cameron@Sun.COM Message-id: <3FD4865D.1070803@Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS sun4u; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020920 Netscape/7.0 References: <6.0.1.1.1.20031207201604.01bbf920@127.0.0.1> Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Jacob: > I'm trying to make GDM talk. I've gone back into the archives and have > added the gtkmodules to gdm.conf. I then edited the accesskey config > file and put my entry for gnopernicus in there. NOw, when I press the > key (ctrl+n) gnopernicus starts, but I don't get any speech. I can tell > its running by logging into a text console and looking at the processes, > but it just doesn't say anything. Anyone gotten this to work > successfully? What am I missing here? gdm and gnopernicus do not yet play well together. The problem you describe with text-to-speech not working is a known problem. The issues are documented in the following bug: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122459 I haven't yet had time to look into what is causing the problem. It could be something as simple as the gdm user not having proper permissions to /dev/audio. Brian From anders@noddle.net Mon Dec 8 18:56:15 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from duck.marlowes.com (duck.marlowes.com [195.67.103.24]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA73318433 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 18:56:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.16.2.13] (h58n2fls31o824.telia.com [212.181.205.58]) (authenticated bits=0) by duck.marlowes.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hB8NrVwQ006361 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 00:53:31 +0100 Subject: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters From: Anders Karlsson To: gnome-accessibility-list Content-Type: text/plain; charset= Message-Id: <1070927767.6941.13.camel@balder.home.noddle.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 (1.4.5-7) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 00:56:07 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi I have noticed that the Swedish characters åäö ÅÄÖ does not display the right way on my daughters braille display. For the moment she is using an BRAILLEX ELba, but it's the same problem as on her old Tieman CombiBraille. When using Swedish translation table all those characters above is dot 8 (i believe it's 8, the bottom right?). If i switch to German translation table i get some caracters but not the right one's. Does anybody have a hint how i correct this problem? Best regards /Anders -- Anders Karlsson From jasonjgw@pacific.net.au Mon Dec 8 21:25:09 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from snoopy.pacific.net.au (snoopy.pacific.net.au [61.8.0.36]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F4C618129 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 21:25:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mongrel.pacific.net.au (mongrel.pacific.net.au [61.8.0.107]) by snoopy.pacific.net.au (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id hB92P2no030628; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:25:02 +1100 Received: from jdc.local (dyn172.mel2.homedsl.pacific.net.au [203.100.245.172]) by mongrel.pacific.net.au (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id hB92Otxs020550; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:25:01 +1100 Received: from jdc.local (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jdc.local (8.12.10/8.12.10/Debian-5) with ESMTP id hB92OtX5000971; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:24:55 +1100 Received: (from jason@localhost) by jdc.local (8.12.10/8.12.10/Debian-5) id hB92Ot4O000964; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:24:55 +1100 From: Jason White MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <16341.12919.174790.662104@jdc.local> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:24:55 +1100 To: Anders Karlsson Cc: gnome-accessibility-list Subject: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters In-Reply-To: <1070927767.6941.13.camel@balder.home.noddle.net> References: <1070927767.6941.13.camel@balder.home.noddle.net> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under Emacs 21.3.1 Reply-To: jasonw@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Anders Karlsson writes: >=20 > I have noticed that the Swedish characters =C3=A5=C3=A4=C3=B6 =C3=1B= ,TC=C3=96=1B(B does not display the > right way on my daughters braille display.=20 The solution is to write a Swedish character table. First, find out what the correct braille representations are for all of the characters that occur in Swedish text (letters, accented letters, numerals, punctuation), then write a correct table which can be contributed to BrlTTY and Gnopernicus for inclusion in a subsequent release. You may find it easier to modify an existing table, but be sure that, in the end, all of the characters conform to Swedish computer braille standards, whatever those are. From mlang@lexx.delysid.org Tue Dec 9 05:21:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from lexx.delysid.org (chello080109223065.lancity.graz.surfer.at [80.109.223.65]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BA0A1870D for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 05:21:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mlang by lexx.delysid.org with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1ATez0-0003Er-00; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 11:20:46 +0100 To: jasonw@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au Cc: Anders Karlsson , gnome-accessibility-list Subject: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters From: Mario Lang In-Reply-To: <16341.12919.174790.662104@jdc.local> (Jason White's message of "Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:24:55 +1100") References: <1070927767.6941.13.camel@balder.home.noddle.net> <16341.12919.174790.662104@jdc.local> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 11:20:46 +0100 Message-ID: <874qwa47i9.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Jason White writes: > Anders Karlsson writes: > >=20 > > I have noticed that the Swedish characters =C3=83=C2=A5=C3=83=C2=A4=C3= =83=C2=B6 =C3=83=1B,TC=C3=83=C2=96=1B(B does not display the > > right way on my daughters braille display.=20 > > The solution is to write a Swedish character table. First, find out > what the correct braille representations are for all of the characters > that occur in Swedish text (letters, accented letters, numerals, > punctuation), then write a correct table which can be contributed to > BrlTTY and Gnopernicus for inclusion in a subsequent release. BRLTTY does already have two swedish text translation tables. --=20 CYa, Mario | Debian Developer | Get my public key via finger mlang@db.debian.org | 1024D/7FC1A0854909BCCDBE6C102DDFFC022A6B113E44 From anders@noddle.net Tue Dec 9 05:24:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from duck.marlowes.com (duck.marlowes.com [195.67.103.24]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 023D818424 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 05:24:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.16.2.13] (h58n2fls31o824.telia.com [212.181.205.58]) (authenticated bits=0) by duck.marlowes.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hB9ALxwQ026624; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 11:21:59 +0100 Subject: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters From: Anders Karlsson To: Mario Lang Cc: gnome-accessibility-list In-Reply-To: <874qwa47i9.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> References: <1070927767.6941.13.camel@balder.home.noddle.net> <16341.12919.174790.662104@jdc.local> <874qwa47i9.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset= Message-Id: <1070965481.1529.32.camel@balder.home.noddle.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 (1.4.5-7) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 11:24:42 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi. So, if thats the solution, where do i find editable verions of the gnopernicus tables? As far as i can understand they are in binary format in the gnopernicus source. I did forget to mention, that when running BRLTTY from text-mode the characters are displayed correctly, so i belive the problem is in gnopernicus. /Anders On Tue, 2003-12-09 at 11:20, Mario Lang wrote: > Jason White writes: > > > Anders Karlsson writes: > > > > > > I have noticed that the Swedish characters åäö Ã,TCÖ(B does not display the > > > right way on my daughters braille display. > > > > The solution is to write a Swedish character table. First, find out > > what the correct braille representations are for all of the characters > > that occur in Swedish text (letters, accented letters, numerals, > > punctuation), then write a correct table which can be contributed to > > BrlTTY and Gnopernicus for inclusion in a subsequent release. > > BRLTTY does already have two swedish text translation tables. From deedra@dmwaters.us Tue Dec 9 14:03:24 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.64]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FB9B18170 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:03:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from simba ([68.212.8.108]) by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031209190323.LNAX1876.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@simba> for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:03:23 -0500 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:02:47 -0600 (CST) From: Deedra Waters X-X-Sender: dmwaters@simba To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I posted some of theese questions before, but never got an answer, so will post again. I'm having trouble getting gnome to reat the text in things like mozilla. it tells me that there is a block of text, but it does not read the actual text. is there a way to make it read this text? Also, I just did a fresh install of gnome/gnopernicus etc, but I'm having trouble finding what I'd call the equivelent of the start menu. Is there some shortcut key for this? I seem to be basically confined to the desktop and gnopernicus windows, and can't get to any other programs. If someone could please give me some ideas on how to dealwith theese, I could greatly appreciate it. - -- Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/1hxdU5AGPOTGNc8RAnt/AKCpifi1PmetZ8OkYsVCv+7QDmlT5ACfXx5O iNbAoLIGAPNLAgQ1AT7j7NM= =NBsc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mlang@lexx.delysid.org Tue Dec 9 15:18:57 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from lexx.delysid.org (chello080109223065.lancity.graz.surfer.at [80.109.223.65]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7096D1814F for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 15:18:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mlang by lexx.delysid.org with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1AToJf-0005om-00; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 21:18:43 +0100 To: Deedra Waters Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome From: Mario Lang In-Reply-To: (Deedra Waters's message of "Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:02:47 -0600 (CST)") References: Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 21:18:43 +0100 Message-ID: <87iskp3fto.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Deedra Waters writes: > I'm having trouble getting gnome to reat the text in things like mozilla. it > tells me that there is a block of text, but it does not read the actual text. > is there a way to make it read this text? I'm afraid for now, you have to use flat review mode to access multiline text. Except where the field supports a cursor, then you can navigate using that. > Also, I just did a fresh install of gnome/gnopernicus etc, but I'm having > trouble finding what I'd call the equivelent of the start menu. Is there some > shortcut key for this? I seem to be basically confined to the desktop and > gnopernicus windows, and can't get to any other programs. Ctrl-F1 or Alt-F1, forgot which, and dont have a running X right now to test. Alt-F2 might also proove to be helpful, which can be used to launch apps by executable name. However, you should really read the GNOME Accessibility Guide, especially the keyboard navigation section. -- CYa, Mario | Debian Developer | Get my public key via finger mlang@db.debian.org | 1024D/7FC1A0854909BCCDBE6C102DDFFC022A6B113E44 From Bill.Haneman@Sun.COM Tue Dec 9 17:04:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5753818DE9 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 17:04:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from phys-eris-1 ([129.156.85.25]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hB9M4BPh020046 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 15:04:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from sun.com (dbl-isdn-101.Ireland.Sun.COM [129.156.227.101]) by eris-mail1.uk.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HPN003QIEMYM6@eris-mail1.uk.sun.com> for gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 22:04:11 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 22:04:13 +0000 From: Bill Haneman Subject: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters In-reply-to: <20031209170011.30613.30646.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Message-id: <3FD646DD.50705@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20031103 References: <20031209170011.30613.30646.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Anders wrote: >Hi > >I have noticed that the Swedish characters åäö ÅÄÖ does not display the >right way on my daughters braille display. > Anders/all: can you forward some web pointers to documentation about non-english (for instance, swedish) and _especially_ non-latin braille encoding? We and the BAUM team are currently discussing a general-purpose architecture for braille output that could handle the general case of unicode input. There are a number of issues that arise, but in order to design intelligently we need to gather information on the available braille encodings out there. It's already clear that there won't be a one-to-one mapping between POSIX locales and braille encodings, and there won't be one-to-one mappings for particular unicode 'code pages' either (there isn't even that for English ;-) regards Bill >For the moment she is using an BRAILLEX ELba, but it's the same problem >as on her old Tieman CombiBraille. >When using Swedish translation table all those characters above is dot 8 >(i believe it's 8, the bottom right?). If i switch to German translation >table i get some caracters but not the right one's. >Does anybody have a hint how i correct this problem? > >Best regards > >/Anders > > > From jasonw@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au Tue Dec 9 18:21:26 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.20.3]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ACEC18681 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 18:21:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hB9NLN22015283 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:21:23 +1100 (EST) Received: from localhost (jasonw@localhost) by ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (8.12.10/8.12.3) with ESMTP id hB9NLN5Q015279 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:21:23 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:21:23 +1100 (EST) From: Jason White To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters In-Reply-To: <3FD646DD.50705@sun.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Am I correct in assuming that the BrlTTY tables are mapped to ISO 8859-1? If so, what is Gnopernicus producing when it sends output to BrlTTY? I agree that a general architecture for braille character output is desirable. If Gnopernicus is sending Unicode (most likely UTF8) encoding, this could be the source of the mismatch with BrlTTY. From tward1978@earthlink.net Tue Dec 9 19:25:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net (cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.226]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC09418406 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 19:25:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdn-ap-030ilchicp0286.dialsprint.net ([65.178.179.32] helo=noneflzmskjmuf) by cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1ATsAV-0001wM-00; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 16:25:31 -0800 Message-ID: <006301c3beb4$261ad7f0$20b3b241@noneflzmskjmuf> From: "Tom and Esther Ward" To: "Deedra Waters" Cc: References: Subject: Re: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 19:25:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi. Under Gnome there is the main panel menu which is almost like the start menu under windows. There is two ways of opening this menu. To access this menu via the keyboard press alt+f1. You can also tab to the main panel menu button while the main panel has focus and press space bar on the button to activate it. To quickly launch applications via the run dialog use alt+f2. As for reading blocks of text that are dificult to read you must use flat review mode. Note, flat review is broken under gnopernicus 0.7 and 0.7.1. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deedra Waters" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 2:02 PM Subject: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I posted some of theese questions before, but never got an answer, so will post > again. > I'm having trouble getting gnome to reat the text in things like mozilla. it > tells me that there is a block of text, but it does not read the actual text. > is there a way to make it read this text? > > Also, I just did a fresh install of gnome/gnopernicus etc, but I'm having > trouble finding what I'd call the equivelent of the start menu. Is there some > shortcut key for this? I seem to be basically confined to the desktop and > gnopernicus windows, and can't get to any other programs. > > If someone could please give me some ideas on how to dealwith theese, I could > greatly appreciate it. > > > - -- > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE/1hxdU5AGPOTGNc8RAnt/AKCpifi1PmetZ8OkYsVCv+7QDmlT5ACfXx5O > iNbAoLIGAPNLAgQ1AT7j7NM= > =NBsc > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > From deedra@dmwaters.us Tue Dec 9 19:59:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.67]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBEDF18C75 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 19:59:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from simba ([68.212.8.108]) by imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031210005931.BKBO1942.imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net@simba>; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 19:59:31 -0500 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 18:58:54 -0600 (CST) From: Deedra Waters X-X-Sender: dmwaters@simba To: Tom and Esther Ward Cc: Deedra Waters , gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome In-Reply-To: <006301c3beb4$261ad7f0$20b3b241@noneflzmskjmuf> Message-ID: References: <006301c3beb4$261ad7f0$20b3b241@noneflzmskjmuf> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hmm, does cvs gnopernicus have a fix for the flat review thing? not being able to read blocks of text makes my life pretty dificult, especially when I want to look at webpages, (assuming I can get mozilla to behave in this install) Also, is there some setting I need to enable to make mozilla work better with accessibility? I seem to be having some slight trouble with it this time around. I'm also curious as to what email and office clients might be the most accessible with gnopernicus. Thanks! On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Tom and Esther Ward wrote: > Hi. > Under Gnome there is the main panel menu which is almost like the start menu > under windows. There is two ways of opening this menu. > To access this menu via the keyboard press alt+f1. You can also tab to the > main panel menu button while the main panel has focus and press space bar on > the button to activate it. > To quickly launch applications via the run dialog use alt+f2. > As for reading blocks of text that are dificult to read you must use flat > review mode. Note, flat review is broken under gnopernicus 0.7 and 0.7.1. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Deedra Waters" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 2:02 PM > Subject: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > I posted some of theese questions before, but never got an answer, so will > post > > again. > > I'm having trouble getting gnome to reat the text in things like mozilla. > it > > tells me that there is a block of text, but it does not read the actual > text. > > is there a way to make it read this text? > > > > Also, I just did a fresh install of gnome/gnopernicus etc, but I'm having > > trouble finding what I'd call the equivelent of the start menu. Is there > some > > shortcut key for this? I seem to be basically confined to the desktop and > > gnopernicus windows, and can't get to any other programs. > > > > If someone could please give me some ideas on how to dealwith theese, I > could > > greatly appreciate it. > > > > > > - -- > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQE/1hxdU5AGPOTGNc8RAnt/AKCpifi1PmetZ8OkYsVCv+7QDmlT5ACfXx5O > > iNbAoLIGAPNLAgQ1AT7j7NM= > > =NBsc > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > - -- Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/1m/VU5AGPOTGNc8RAp1GAKCJGZKhXV46BSeQ2DNYvv9TuSwsLQCgjc4d bUyJ2WOYu0V/kXzBv2QV3kM= =xL0U -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tward1978@earthlink.net Tue Dec 9 21:04:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFCB818E8C for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 21:04:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdn-ap-025ilchicp0185.dialsprint.net ([65.178.128.185] helo=noneflzmskjmuf) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1ATthn-00033s-00; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 18:04:00 -0800 Message-ID: <005c01c3bec1$e2ad7550$b980b241@noneflzmskjmuf> From: "Tom and Esther Ward" To: "Deedra Waters" Cc: References: <006301c3beb4$261ad7f0$20b3b241@noneflzmskjmuf> Subject: Re: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 21:04:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi. The only office packages that work with gnopernicus is Openoffice v1.1 and Staroffice 7.0. In order to get these office applications to work with speech you must have the j2sdk 1.4.2, the gnome java-access-bridge compiled and installed from cvs, and all the proper orbitrc entries in your .orbitrc file. Mozilla is still a trouble spot for me as well. I myself don't get much accessibility from it yet, and I have not completely found the most accessible setup for Mozilla myself. As for email that also has some problems. Balsa is accessible, but it seams several of us have troubles getting smtp working in balsa. If you can get passed the smtp problems balsa might be your best choice. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deedra Waters" To: "Tom and Esther Ward" Cc: "Deedra Waters" ; Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 7:58 PM Subject: Re: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hmm, does cvs gnopernicus have a fix for the flat review thing? not being able to read blocks of text makes my life pretty dificult, especially when I want to look at webpages, (assuming I can get mozilla to behave in this install) > > Also, is there some setting I need to enable to make mozilla work better with accessibility? I seem to be having some slight trouble with it this time around. > > I'm also curious as to what email and office clients might be the most accessible with gnopernicus. > > Thanks! > > On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Tom and Esther Ward wrote: > > > Hi. > > Under Gnome there is the main panel menu which is almost like the start menu > > under windows. There is two ways of opening this menu. > > To access this menu via the keyboard press alt+f1. You can also tab to the > > main panel menu button while the main panel has focus and press space bar on > > the button to activate it. > > To quickly launch applications via the run dialog use alt+f2. > > As for reading blocks of text that are dificult to read you must use flat > > review mode. Note, flat review is broken under gnopernicus 0.7 and 0.7.1. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Deedra Waters" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 2:02 PM > > Subject: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > I posted some of theese questions before, but never got an answer, so will > > post > > > again. > > > I'm having trouble getting gnome to reat the text in things like mozilla. > > it > > > tells me that there is a block of text, but it does not read the actual > > text. > > > is there a way to make it read this text? > > > > > > Also, I just did a fresh install of gnome/gnopernicus etc, but I'm having > > > trouble finding what I'd call the equivelent of the start menu. Is there > > some > > > shortcut key for this? I seem to be basically confined to the desktop and > > > gnopernicus windows, and can't get to any other programs. > > > > > > If someone could please give me some ideas on how to dealwith theese, I > > could > > > greatly appreciate it. > > > > > > > > > - -- > > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > iD8DBQE/1hxdU5AGPOTGNc8RAnt/AKCpifi1PmetZ8OkYsVCv+7QDmlT5ACfXx5O > > > iNbAoLIGAPNLAgQ1AT7j7NM= > > > =NBsc > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > > > > > > - -- > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE/1m/VU5AGPOTGNc8RAp1GAKCJGZKhXV46BSeQ2DNYvv9TuSwsLQCgjc4d > bUyJ2WOYu0V/kXzBv2QV3kM= > =xL0U > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From deedra@dmwaters.us Tue Dec 9 22:12:24 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.71]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E732181CF for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:12:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from simba ([68.212.8.108]) by imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031210031223.ZPRW29800.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@simba>; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:12:23 -0500 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 21:11:51 -0600 (CST) From: Deedra Waters X-X-Sender: dmwaters@simba To: Tom and Esther Ward Cc: Deedra Waters , gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome In-Reply-To: <005c01c3bec1$e2ad7550$b980b241@noneflzmskjmuf> Message-ID: References: <006301c3beb4$261ad7f0$20b3b241@noneflzmskjmuf> <005c01c3bec1$e2ad7550$b980b241@noneflzmskjmuf> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hrmm,I seem to be having some serious trouble with the website to get the j2sdk stuff. Is there an alternative site or something that I can get this package with out running in circles and not getting anywhere? It appears as if this site is using java script, which is making it so that those who use lynx can't exactly get it. For example, once I get through the license agreement, I can't figure out where to go from there at all. On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Tom and Esther Ward wrote: > Hi. > The only office packages that work with gnopernicus is Openoffice v1.1 and > Staroffice 7.0. > In order to get these office applications to work with speech you must have > the j2sdk 1.4.2, the gnome java-access-bridge compiled and installed from > cvs, and all the proper orbitrc entries in your .orbitrc file. > Mozilla is still a trouble spot for me as well. I myself don't get much > accessibility from it yet, and I have not completely found the most > accessible setup for Mozilla myself. > As for email that also has some problems. Balsa is accessible, but it seams > several of us have troubles getting smtp working in balsa. > If you can get passed the smtp problems balsa might be your best choice. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Deedra Waters" > To: "Tom and Esther Ward" > Cc: "Deedra Waters" ; > > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 7:58 PM > Subject: Re: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Hmm, does cvs gnopernicus have a fix for the flat review thing? not being > able to read blocks of text makes my life pretty dificult, especially when I > want to look at webpages, (assuming I can get mozilla to behave in this > install) > > > > Also, is there some setting I need to enable to make mozilla work better > with accessibility? I seem to be having some slight trouble with it this > time around. > > > > I'm also curious as to what email and office clients might be the most > accessible with gnopernicus. > > > > Thanks! > > > > On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Tom and Esther Ward wrote: > > > > > Hi. > > > Under Gnome there is the main panel menu which is almost like the start > menu > > > under windows. There is two ways of opening this menu. > > > To access this menu via the keyboard press alt+f1. You can also tab to > the > > > main panel menu button while the main panel has focus and press space > bar on > > > the button to activate it. > > > To quickly launch applications via the run dialog use alt+f2. > > > As for reading blocks of text that are dificult to read you must use > flat > > > review mode. Note, flat review is broken under gnopernicus 0.7 and > 0.7.1. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Deedra Waters" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 2:02 PM > > > Subject: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome > > > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > > I posted some of theese questions before, but never got an answer, so > will > > > post > > > > again. > > > > I'm having trouble getting gnome to reat the text in things like > mozilla. > > > it > > > > tells me that there is a block of text, but it does not read the > actual > > > text. > > > > is there a way to make it read this text? > > > > > > > > Also, I just did a fresh install of gnome/gnopernicus etc, but I'm > having > > > > trouble finding what I'd call the equivelent of the start menu. Is > there > > > some > > > > shortcut key for this? I seem to be basically confined to the desktop > and > > > > gnopernicus windows, and can't get to any other programs. > > > > > > > > If someone could please give me some ideas on how to dealwith theese, > I > > > could > > > > greatly appreciate it. > > > > > > > > > > > > - -- > > > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > > > iD8DBQE/1hxdU5AGPOTGNc8RAnt/AKCpifi1PmetZ8OkYsVCv+7QDmlT5ACfXx5O > > > > iNbAoLIGAPNLAgQ1AT7j7NM= > > > > =NBsc > > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - -- > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQE/1m/VU5AGPOTGNc8RAp1GAKCJGZKhXV46BSeQ2DNYvv9TuSwsLQCgjc4d > > bUyJ2WOYu0V/kXzBv2QV3kM= > > =xL0U > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > - -- Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/1o79U5AGPOTGNc8RAggzAKCM82bxas9HE3JwqeK1tGxR/fzHHgCfVZkT 0s2HMeitR2SYvEmOf7Wdheg= =YdTY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mike.pedersen@sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 9 22:22:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.84]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 94473181CF for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:22:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown (HELO mpedersenpc) (mike.pedersen@sbcglobal.net@64.167.99.224 with login) by smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 03:22:28 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Mike Pedersen" To: "'Deedra Waters'" , "'Tom and Esther Ward'" Cc: Subject: RE: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 19:22:49 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c3becc$e48f53b0$0500a8c0@mpedersenpc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: You might try www.blackdown.org. That used to be another source before = it was easy to get from Sun. =20 regards Mike Pedersen=20 -----Original Message----- From: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org [mailto:gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org] On Behalf Of Deedra = Waters Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 7:12 PM To: Tom and Esther Ward Cc: Deedra Waters; gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hrmm,I seem to be having some serious trouble with the website to get = the j2sdk stuff. Is there an alternative site or something that I can get = this package with out running in circles and not getting anywhere? It appears = as if this site is using java script, which is making it so that those who = use lynx can't exactly get it. For example, once I get through the license agreement, I can't figure out where to go from there at all. On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Tom and Esther Ward wrote: > Hi. > The only office packages that work with gnopernicus is Openoffice v1.1 = > and Staroffice 7.0. In order to get these office applications to work=20 > with speech you must have the j2sdk 1.4.2, the gnome=20 > java-access-bridge compiled and installed from cvs, and all the=20 > proper orbitrc entries in your .orbitrc file. Mozilla is still a=20 > trouble spot for me as well. I myself don't get much accessibility=20 > from it yet, and I have not completely found the most accessible=20 > setup for Mozilla myself. As for email that also has some problems.=20 > Balsa is accessible, but it seams several of us have troubles getting=20 > smtp working in balsa. If you can get passed the smtp problems balsa=20 > might be your best choice. >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Deedra Waters" > To: "Tom and Esther Ward" > Cc: "Deedra Waters" ;=20 > > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 7:58 PM > Subject: Re: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome >=20 >=20 > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Hmm, does cvs gnopernicus have a fix for the flat review thing? not=20 > > being > able to read blocks of text makes my life pretty dificult, especially=20 > when I want to look at webpages, (assuming I can get mozilla to=20 > behave in this > install) > > > > Also, is there some setting I need to enable to make mozilla work=20 > > better > with accessibility? I seem to be having some slight trouble with it=20 > this time around. > > > > I'm also curious as to what email and office clients might be the=20 > > most > accessible with gnopernicus. > > > > Thanks! > > > > On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Tom and Esther Ward wrote: > > > > > Hi. > > > Under Gnome there is the main panel menu which is almost like the=20 > > > start > menu > > > under windows. There is two ways of opening this menu. To access=20 > > > this menu via the keyboard press alt+f1. You can also tab to > the > > > main panel menu button while the main panel has focus and press=20 > > > space > bar on > > > the button to activate it. > > > To quickly launch applications via the run dialog use alt+f2. As=20 > > > for reading blocks of text that are dificult to read you must use > flat > > > review mode. Note, flat review is broken under gnopernicus 0.7 and > 0.7.1. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Deedra Waters" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 2:02 PM > > > Subject: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome > > > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > > I posted some of theese questions before, but never got an=20 > > > > answer, so > will > > > post > > > > again. > > > > I'm having trouble getting gnome to reat the text in things like > mozilla. > > > it > > > > tells me that there is a block of text, but it does not read the > actual > > > text. > > > > is there a way to make it read this text? > > > > > > > > Also, I just did a fresh install of gnome/gnopernicus etc, but=20 > > > > I'm > having > > > > trouble finding what I'd call the equivelent of the start menu.=20 > > > > Is > there > > > some > > > > shortcut key for this? I seem to be basically confined to the=20 > > > > desktop > and > > > > gnopernicus windows, and can't get to any other programs. > > > > > > > > If someone could please give me some ideas on how to dealwith=20 > > > > theese, > I > > > could > > > > greatly appreciate it. > > > > > > > > > > > > - -- > > > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net ,=20 > > > > http://www.freenode.net > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > > > iD8DBQE/1hxdU5AGPOTGNc8RAnt/AKCpifi1PmetZ8OkYsVCv+7QDmlT5ACfXx5O > > > > iNbAoLIGAPNLAgQ1AT7j7NM=3D > > > > =3DNBsc > > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----=20 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list=20 > > > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - -- > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net ,=20 > > http://www.freenode.net > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQE/1m/VU5AGPOTGNc8RAp1GAKCJGZKhXV46BSeQ2DNYvv9TuSwsLQCgjc4d > > bUyJ2WOYu0V/kXzBv2QV3kM=3D > > =3DxL0U > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >=20 >=20 - --=20 Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/1o79U5AGPOTGNc8RAggzAKCM82bxas9HE3JwqeK1tGxR/fzHHgCfVZkT 0s2HMeitR2SYvEmOf7Wdheg=3D =3DYdTY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- = _______________________________________________ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list From dave@mielke.cc Tue Dec 9 22:41:47 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from mielke.cc (unknown [24.157.218.227]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 225601870A for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:41:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.private.mielke.cc (alpha.private.mielke.cc [192.168.0.2]) by mielke.cc (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBA3fcr31689; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:41:39 -0500 Received: from alpha.private.mielke.cc (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpha.private.mielke.cc (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBA3fbP6016357; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:41:38 -0500 Received: (from dave@localhost) by alpha.private.mielke.cc (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBA3faJf016355; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:41:37 -0500 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:41:36 -0500 From: Dave Mielke To: Jason White Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters Message-ID: <20031210034136.GN20138@alpha.private.mielke.cc> References: <3FD646DD.50705@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: [quoted lines by Jason White on 2003/12/10 at 10:21 +1100] >Am I correct in assuming that the BrlTTY tables are mapped to ISO 8859-1? Almost. Some are based on other character sets. In general, the current practice is to base the table for any given language on the character set which is typically used by users of that language. The Polsih table, for example, is based on ISO-8859-2. This will all be changing shortly when BRLTTY becomes Unicode-based. At that time, all of its tables will become Unicode-based as well. >If so, what is Gnopernicus producing when it sends output to BrlTTY? Gnopernicus, at present, sends raw dot patterns to BRLTTY. I'm planning to pursue getting Gnopernicus to send text-based, rather than dot-based, data to BRLTTY soon. -- Dave Mielke | 2213 Fox Crescent | I believe that the Bible is the Phone: 1-613-726-0014 | Ottawa, Ontario | Word of God. Please contact me EMail: dave@mielke.cc | Canada K2A 1H7 | if you're concerned about Hell. http://familyradio.com/ | http://mielke.cc/bible/ From Peter.Korn@Sun.COM Wed Dec 10 01:15:15 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (nwkea-mail-1.sun.com [192.18.42.13]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E9E718216 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 01:15:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from phys-d3-ha21sca-1 ([129.145.155.163]) by nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBA6FDUP010697 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:15:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun.com (vpn-129-150-16-224.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.16.224]) by ha21sca-mail1.sfbay.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HPO007MC1DD53@ha21sca-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> for gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 22:15:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 22:15:12 -0800 From: Peter Korn Subject: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters To: Dave Mielke Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Message-id: <3FD6B9F0.1000406@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 References: <3FD646DD.50705@sun.com> <20031210034136.GN20138@alpha.private.mielke.cc> Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi David, >>If so, what is Gnopernicus producing when it sends output to BrlTTY? > > Gnopernicus, at present, sends raw dot patterns to BRLTTY. I'm planning to > pursue getting Gnopernicus to send text-based, rather than dot-based, data to > BRLTTY soon. Gnopernicus has a variety of non-text dot patterns used to indicate a variety of things. What thoughts do you have on how those could be preserved yet have Gnopernicus send text for the text portions? Also, as Bill noted, we do need to address the problem of Braille table localization for a very wide set of languages (which may be interspersed within a single document, ideally with appropriate language tagging). Do you have any thoughts on where the right place to address that is and how? Regards, Peter Korn Sun Accessibility team From jjig99@yahoo.es Wed Dec 10 04:29:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from mx.once.es (mx.once.es [194.224.11.131]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B36D18EDF for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 04:29:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from omail01.once.org (oncent.once.es [172.24.1.51]) by mx.once.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 603411BF27F; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:43:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from EBCONF (I25833 [10.41.30.10]) by omail01.once.org with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id YSMA4XB6; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:29:35 +0100 Subject: Re: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome From: Juan Ramon Jimenez Garcia Reply-To: jjig99@yahoo.es To: Tom and Esther Ward Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <005c01c3bec1$e2ad7550$b980b241@noneflzmskjmuf> References: <006301c3beb4$261ad7f0$20b3b241@noneflzmskjmuf> <005c01c3bec1$e2ad7550$b980b241@noneflzmskjmuf> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Message-Id: <1071048660.669.19.camel@I25833.once.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:31:00 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi all...... I am beginning to use gnopernicus and i am very interested in being able to accede to a office package like openoffice. I have downloaded j2sdk and I have installed it, but i don't know how to configure it correctly to use with gnopernicus.=20 Now, when i open a document with openoffice, it does not reproduce any sound and braille device doesn't write anything. When i close openoffice, gnopernicus continues ok. I'll be very gratefull if you could explain to me how to make accessible openoffice (or send me a link to read any docs....) Thank you very much in advance Juan Ramon =20 El mi=E9, 10-12-2003 a las 03:04, Tom and Esther Ward escribi=F3: > Hi. > The only office packages that work with gnopernicus is Openoffice v1.1 an= d > Staroffice 7.0. > In order to get these office applications to work with speech you must ha= ve > the j2sdk 1.4.2, the gnome java-access-bridge compiled and installed from > cvs, and all the proper orbitrc entries in your .orbitrc file. > Mozilla is still a trouble spot for me as well. I myself don't get much > accessibility from it yet, and I have not completely found the most > accessible setup for Mozilla myself. > As for email that also has some problems. Balsa is accessible, but it sea= ms > several of us have troubles getting smtp working in balsa. > If you can get passed the smtp problems balsa might be your best choice. >=20 From mlang@lexx.delysid.org Wed Dec 10 05:40:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from lexx.delysid.org (chello080109223065.lancity.graz.surfer.at [80.109.223.65]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED4AE18F15 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 05:40:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mlang by lexx.delysid.org with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1AU1l2-0004Ku-00; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:39:52 +0100 To: Peter Korn Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters From: Mario Lang In-Reply-To: <3FD6B9F0.1000406@sun.com> (Peter Korn's message of "Tue, 09 Dec 2003 22:15:12 -0800") References: <3FD646DD.50705@sun.com> <20031210034136.GN20138@alpha.private.mielke.cc> <3FD6B9F0.1000406@sun.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:39:52 +0100 Message-ID: <87smjtgdmv.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Peter Korn writes: > Hi David, > >>>If so, what is Gnopernicus producing when it sends output to BrlTTY? >> Gnopernicus, at present, sends raw dot patterns to BRLTTY. I'm >> planning to >> pursue getting Gnopernicus to send text-based, rather than dot-based, data to >> BRLTTY soon. > > Gnopernicus has a variety of non-text dot patterns used to indicate a > variety of things. What thoughts do you have on how those could be > preserved yet have Gnopernicus send text for the text portions? We are planning to add the ability to and off and to or on dots via BrlAPI. -- CYa, Mario | Debian Developer | Get my public key via finger mlang@db.debian.org | 1024D/7FC1A0854909BCCDBE6C102DDFFC022A6B113E44 From Bill.Haneman@Sun.COM Wed Dec 10 07:10:12 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (nwkea-mail-1.sun.com [192.18.42.13]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A87D18F71 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 07:10:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from phys-eris-1 ([129.156.85.25]) by nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBACA9UR014811 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 04:10:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun.com (dbl-isdn-103.Ireland.Sun.COM [129.156.227.103]) by eris-mail1.uk.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HPO00KDKHSXZI@eris-mail1.uk.sun.com> for gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:10:09 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:10:12 +0000 From: Bill Haneman Subject: Re: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters In-reply-to: <20031210032302.13288.65335.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Message-id: <3FD70D24.4010406@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20031103 References: <20031210032302.13288.65335.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Jason said: >If Gnopernicus is sending Unicode (most likely UTF8) encoding, this could >be the source of the mismatch with BrlTTY. > GNOME uses UTF-8 throughout. I do not know what gnopernicus is doing with the UTF-8 input before converting to braille dots or characters; it may be that gnopernicus is doing all the dot conversions itself (in which case the issue would be gnopernicus' internal braille tables lacking Swedish support - thus the need for a general architecture). It's also possible that, as you suggest, gnopernicus is failing to convert the UTF-8 into ISO-8859-1 on the output stage. BAUM team, do you have details for us? - Bill From Bill.Haneman@Sun.COM Wed Dec 10 07:14:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (nwkea-mail-1.sun.com [192.18.42.13]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23EB918419 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 07:14:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from phys-eris-1 ([129.156.85.25]) by nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBACELUR016664 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 04:14:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun.com (dbl-isdn-103.Ireland.Sun.COM [129.156.227.103]) by eris-mail1.uk.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HPO00K96HZXZI@eris-mail1.uk.sun.com> for gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:14:21 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:14:25 +0000 From: Bill Haneman Subject: Re: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome In-reply-to: <20031210032302.13288.65335.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Message-id: <3FD70E21.3070403@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20031103 References: <20031210032302.13288.65335.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Deedra said: >Hmm, does cvs gnopernicus have a fix for the flat review thing? not being able to read blocks of text makes my life pretty dificult, especially when I want to look at webpages, (assuming I can get mozilla to behave in this install) > I don't understand quite what you are saying here; the flat review mode of gnopernicus is the "fix", i.e. it allows reading of text that can't be navigated via a cursor. However, Mozilla does support a 'caret' or cursor, if you press F7 (which toggles the feature on and off). I personally don't know how well gnopernicus and the Mozilla-caret browsing get along, but it is certainly worth trying. Documentation for flat-review in gnopernicus can be found at the gnopernicus web site, http://www.baum.ro/gnopernicus.html best regards Bill From Bill.Haneman@Sun.COM Wed Dec 10 07:19:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (nwkea-mail-1.sun.com [192.18.42.13]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24158181E6 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 07:19:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from phys-eris-1 ([129.156.85.25]) by nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBACJRUP018691 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 04:19:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun.com (dbl-isdn-103.Ireland.Sun.COM [129.156.227.103]) by eris-mail1.uk.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HPO00KB5I8EZI@eris-mail1.uk.sun.com> for gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:19:27 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:19:30 +0000 From: Bill Haneman Subject: Re: j2sdk [was some questions about...] In-reply-to: <20031210032302.13288.65335.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Message-id: <3FD70F52.5000102@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20031103 References: <20031210032302.13288.65335.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Someone suggested blackdown.org. I would be cautious about trying them, since the java-access-bridge for GNOME has never been tested with their Java SDK as far as I know. Note that the java-access-bridge for GNOME requires version 1.4.0 or better. I think you'd be keeping the troubles to a minimum if you found a way to get the SDK from the Sun site, perhaps via another browser. - Bill From deedra@dmwaters.us Wed Dec 10 10:16:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.71]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ECCE182E7 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:16:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from simba ([68.212.8.108]) by imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031210151602.GUUN29800.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@simba>; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:16:02 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:15:17 -0600 (CST) From: Deedra Waters X-X-Sender: dmwaters@simba To: Bill Haneman Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: some questions about gnopernicus and gnome In-Reply-To: <3FD70E21.3070403@sun.com> Message-ID: References: <20031210032302.13288.65335.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> <3FD70E21.3070403@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 It was in response to the message I replied to which said something about flat review mode being broken in the current version of gnopernicus. On Wed, 10 Dec 2003, Bill Haneman wrote: > Deedra said: > > >Hmm, does cvs gnopernicus have a fix for the flat review thing? not being able to read blocks of text makes my life pretty dificult, especially when I want to look at webpages, (assuming I can get mozilla to behave in this install) > > > I don't understand quite what you are saying here; the flat review mode > of gnopernicus is the "fix", i.e. it allows reading of text that can't > be navigated via a cursor. However, Mozilla does support a 'caret' or > cursor, if you press F7 (which toggles the feature on and off). I > personally don't know how well gnopernicus and the Mozilla-caret > browsing get along, but it is certainly worth trying. > > Documentation for flat-review in gnopernicus can be found at the > gnopernicus web site, > http://www.baum.ro/gnopernicus.html > > best regards > > Bill > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > - -- Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/1ziMU5AGPOTGNc8RAq44AJ0SKrtxRypPDvNNYIjCaLzhFtfNzACfVXaz 8vXHGgM0qlPuIOsMlv2V5GM= =sLUe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dave@mielke.cc Wed Dec 10 10:52:20 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from mielke.cc (unknown [24.157.218.227]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0E4218171 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:52:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.private.mielke.cc (alpha.private.mielke.cc [192.168.0.2]) by mielke.cc (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBAFqDr02541; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:52:14 -0500 Received: from alpha.private.mielke.cc (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpha.private.mielke.cc (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBAFqCP6020017; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:52:12 -0500 Received: (from dave@localhost) by alpha.private.mielke.cc (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBAFqBxD020015; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:52:11 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:52:11 -0500 From: Dave Mielke To: Bill Haneman Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters Message-ID: <20031210155211.GO20138@alpha.private.mielke.cc> References: <20031210032302.13288.65335.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> <3FD70D24.4010406@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3FD70D24.4010406@sun.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: [quoted lines by Bill Haneman on 2003/12/10 at 12:10 +0000] >it may be that gnopernicus is doing all the dot conversions itself Yes, it is. >in which case the issue would be gnopernicus' internal braille tables lacking >Swedish support Gnopernicus does offer a Swedish translation table. It appears, however, that that table is incomplete. >It's also possible that, as you suggest, gnopernicus is failing to >convert the UTF-8 into ISO-8859-1 on the output stage. No, that's not the problem. At least at present, BRLTTY is receiving already-constructed braille dot patterns from Gnopernicus. -- Dave Mielke | 2213 Fox Crescent | I believe that the Bible is the Phone: 1-613-726-0014 | Ottawa, Ontario | Word of God. Please contact me EMail: dave@mielke.cc | Canada K2A 1H7 | if you're concerned about Hell. http://familyradio.com/ | http://mielke.cc/bible/ From anders@noddle.net Wed Dec 10 11:17:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from duck.marlowes.com (duck.marlowes.com [195.67.103.24]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1C4C18162 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:17:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.16.2.13] (h58n2fls31o824.telia.com [212.181.205.58]) (authenticated bits=0) by duck.marlowes.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBAGEawQ020310; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:14:36 +0100 Subject: Re: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters From: Anders Karlsson To: Dave Mielke Cc: Bill Haneman , gnome-accessibility-list In-Reply-To: <20031210155211.GO20138@alpha.private.mielke.cc> References: <20031210032302.13288.65335.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> <3FD70D24.4010406@sun.com> <20031210155211.GO20138@alpha.private.mielke.cc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Message-Id: <1071073053.21014.16.camel@balder.home.noddle.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 (1.4.5-7) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:17:33 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi. I don't know if You guys read UTF-8 mails så that You can read the characters, but since nobody has complained yet i suppose so. I've talking to my daughter, an she told me how the characters should be shown on the display. According to her the dots are numbered like this: 14 25 36 78 Then the characters should be like this: å 1+6 Å 1+6+7 ä 3+4+5 Ä 3+4+5+7 ö 2+4+6 Ö 2+4+6+7 Hope this can help when correcting the Swedish table. /Anders -- Anders Karlsson From dave@mielke.cc Thu Dec 11 01:09:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from mielke.cc (unknown [24.157.218.227]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C68D18264 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 01:09:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.private.mielke.cc (alpha.private.mielke.cc [192.168.0.2]) by mielke.cc (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBB69kr06178; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 01:09:47 -0500 Received: from alpha.private.mielke.cc (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpha.private.mielke.cc (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBB69jP6023899; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 01:09:45 -0500 Received: (from dave@localhost) by alpha.private.mielke.cc (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBB69i7D023897; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 01:09:44 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 01:09:44 -0500 From: Dave Mielke To: Peter Korn Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters Message-ID: <20031211060944.GQ20138@alpha.private.mielke.cc> References: <3FD646DD.50705@sun.com> <20031210034136.GN20138@alpha.private.mielke.cc> <3FD6B9F0.1000406@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3FD6B9F0.1000406@sun.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: [quoted lines by Peter Korn on 2003/12/09 at 22:15 -0800] >Gnopernicus has a variety of non-text dot patterns used to indicate a >variety of things. What thoughts do you have on how those could be >preserved yet have Gnopernicus send text for the text portions? We're in the process of enhancing BrlAPI in order to handle a mixtyure of text, highlighted text, and graphics. What we're doing is adding a routine which takes the text to be displayed, an optional mask to be anded for dots which are to be cleared, and an optional mask to be ored for dots which are to be set. This should give maximum flexibility to applications as it handles simple text at one extreme, full "graphics" at the other, and concepts like underlining in the middle. >Also, as >Bill noted, we do need to address the problem of Braille table localization >for a very wide set of languages (which may be interspersed within a single >document, ideally with appropriate language tagging). Do you have any >thoughts on where the right place to address that is and how? This requirement is probably best handled by Gnopernicus doing the dot translation. Am I correct in assuming that each localized area of text is associated with some given font? If so, I think a reasonable way to approach this problem is to maintain a table which associates a font name with a braille table. Since many fonts would probably point to the same braille table, you may wish to consider adding a level of indirection, e.g. a font group, so that, say, all English fonts could be switched from one braille table to another via a single operation. One of the dilemmas you may have is that you, quite understandably, only want to publish accurate tables whereas average users, especially those willing to help you out during development, would be satisfied with far less. The ideal for such users, which BRLTTY does provide, is to make the tables easily editable by the user. If you can point me to wherever your translation table format is described, I'll add to our tools a way to convert a BRLTTY table to a Gnopernicus table and vice versa. -- Dave Mielke | 2213 Fox Crescent | I believe that the Bible is the Phone: 1-613-726-0014 | Ottawa, Ontario | Word of God. Please contact me EMail: dave@mielke.cc | Canada K2A 1H7 | if you're concerned about Hell. http://familyradio.com/ | http://mielke.cc/bible/ From mjg59@codon.org.uk Thu Dec 11 08:59:55 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from cavan.codon.org.uk (cavan.codon.org.uk [213.162.118.85]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D7C418942 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 08:59:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mjg59 by cavan.codon.org.uk with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1AURM3-0002GA-00; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:59:47 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:59:47 +0000 From: Matthew Garrett To: Peter Korn Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Dasher 3.2.0 released Message-ID: <20031211135947.GA8615@srcf.ucam.org> References: <20031118014423.GA28674@srcf.ucam.org> <3FBAAAD4.24DC80E8@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3FBAAAD4.24DC80E8@sun.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 03:27:16PM -0800, Peter Korn wrote: > 1. There seem to be multiple sets of empty boxes I need to navigate > through to get to the menus in gedit - perhaps some of the code > in GOK could be helpful here? That's now sorted. > 3. The control box/alphabet is practically buried within the rest of > the alphabet. At least for two dimensional Dasher use, would you > consider putting that on the top or bottom (vertical vs. horizontal), > for rapid access? It also suggests a kind of "escape" to do something > completely different from entering text to put it in a different > place in the Dasher display. It's a nice idea, but it's not currently desperately practical - as the user zooms into boxes, the older boxes continue to exist. It's a valid input to enter, say, an "a" and then realise that you wanted the "e" below it - the direct route would then be through the bottom of the "a". > 2. Once I opened the Open File dialog, Dasher didn't give me access > to the UI elements - again perhaps GOK code could be used for > this? > > 4. The Menus alphabet always showed me first a set of running > applications to choose between before I could get to the menus > of the app I was interacting with. Since most of the time I'm > going to want to interact with the menus of the application I'm > also entering text into, please consider having menus be for the > topmost application's menus, and put at the top level of Control > an option to switch to a different application (again, rather > like GOK). Both of these are marginally awkward - if a new window appears, or if the user focus changes (or, indeed, even if we just change the order of the menus) then we have to invalidate the current tree and build a new one. In itself that's not too difficult, but it may lead to some confusion on the part of the user if Dasher resets itself every time a window pops up. It's arguably the correct way of doing it, though. I'll look into it. -- Matthew Garrett | mjg59@srcf.ucam.org From Peter.Korn@Sun.COM Thu Dec 11 12:28:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (nwkea-mail-1.sun.com [192.18.42.13]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8893418130 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:28:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from phys-d3-ha21sca-1 ([129.145.155.163]) by nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBBHSmUP013780 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:28:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun.com (vpn-129-150-20-143.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.20.143]) by ha21sca-mail1.sfbay.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HPQ000GPR7Z1F@ha21sca-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> for gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:28:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:28:46 -0800 From: Peter Korn Subject: Re: Dasher 3.2.0 released To: Matthew Garrett Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Message-id: <3FD8A94E.8080103@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 References: <20031118014423.GA28674@srcf.ucam.org> <3FBAAAD4.24DC80E8@sun.com> <20031211135947.GA8615@srcf.ucam.org> Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi Matthew, >> 3. The control box/alphabet is practically buried within the rest of >> the alphabet. At least for two dimensional Dasher use, would you >> consider putting that on the top or bottom (vertical vs. horizontal), >> for rapid access? It also suggests a kind of "escape" to do something >> completely different from entering text to put it in a different >> place in the Dasher display. > > It's a nice idea, but it's not currently desperately practical - as the > user zooms into boxes, the older boxes continue to exist. It's a valid > input to enter, say, an "a" and then realise that you wanted the "e" > below it - the direct route would then be through the bottom of the "a". Hmmm... In that case, what about regions in the canonical left half of the window. Normally crossing the middle boundary stops text entry, which is generally what you want to do when switching to control mode. If there were a target or two on the non-alphabet side of Dasher which switched modes, that would likewise allow potentially more rapid switching to the control box. Just a thought to experiment with. Regards, Peter Korn Sun Accessibility team From mjg59@codon.org.uk Thu Dec 11 12:37:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from cavan.codon.org.uk (cavan.codon.org.uk [213.162.118.85]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D709C18130 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:37:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mjg59 by cavan.codon.org.uk with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1AUUkX-0002yS-00; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:37:17 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:37:17 +0000 From: Matthew Garrett To: Peter Korn Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Dasher 3.2.0 released Message-ID: <20031211173717.GA11389@srcf.ucam.org> References: <20031118014423.GA28674@srcf.ucam.org> <3FBAAAD4.24DC80E8@sun.com> <20031211135947.GA8615@srcf.ucam.org> <3FD8A94E.8080103@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3FD8A94E.8080103@sun.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 09:28:46AM -0800, Peter Korn wrote: > Hmmm... In that case, what about regions in the canonical left half of the > window. Normally crossing the middle boundary stops text entry, which is > generally what you want to do when switching to control mode. If there > were a target or two on the non-alphabet side of Dasher which switched > modes, that would likewise allow potentially more rapid switching to the > control box. Sadly not :) Crossing the middle boundary reverses Dasher, which allows for error correction - at the moment it only reverses a finite number of nodes, but when I get round to fixing it up then it ought to be possible to reverse back to the initial state. -- Matthew Garrett | mjg59@srcf.ucam.org From Bill.Haneman@Sun.COM Thu Dec 11 13:11:47 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (nwkea-mail-1.sun.com [192.18.42.13]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D13D19254 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:11:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from phys-eris-1 ([129.156.85.25]) by nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBBIBkUP013809 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:11:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun.com (dbl-isdn-110.Ireland.Sun.COM [129.156.227.110]) by eris-mail1.uk.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HPQ003G1T7L0X@eris-mail1.uk.sun.com> for gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:11:45 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:11:48 +0000 From: Bill Haneman Subject: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters In-reply-to: <20031211170025.4795.83774.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Message-id: <3FD8B364.8060205@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20031103 References: <20031211170025.4795.83774.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Dave Mielke asked: > Am I correct in assuming that each localized area of text is >associated with some given font? If so, I think a reasonable way to approach >this problem is to maintain a table which associates a font name with a braille >table. > Unfortunately this isn't the case; there's a very poor mapping between fonts and locales/languages. Gnopernicus will need to get locale/language information from its source text; fortunately at-spi and GNOME provide that info in many cases. However locales and braille tables also map quite poorly onto one another. - Bill From dave@mielke.cc Thu Dec 11 15:01:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from mielke.cc (unknown [24.157.218.227]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 106B5182D9 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:01:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.private.mielke.cc (alpha.private.mielke.cc [192.168.0.2]) by mielke.cc (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBBK18r08424; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:01:09 -0500 Received: from alpha.private.mielke.cc (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpha.private.mielke.cc (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBBK15P6028053; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:01:05 -0500 Received: (from dave@localhost) by alpha.private.mielke.cc (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBBK14Ek028051; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:01:04 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:01:04 -0500 From: Dave Mielke To: Bill Haneman Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnopernicus, BRLTTY & Swedish characters Message-ID: <20031211200104.GS20138@alpha.private.mielke.cc> References: <20031211170025.4795.83774.Mailman@moniker.gnome.org> <3FD8B364.8060205@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3FD8B364.8060205@sun.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: [quoted lines by Bill Haneman on 2003/12/11 at 18:11 +0000] >However locales and braille tables also map quite poorly onto one another. Our experience is that there's no real mapping between the two at all. The reason is that the conventions used for any given language's literary braille tend to be unusable for computer braille since certain characters require more than one braille cell and/or certain characters can only be represented in certain contexts. There may be a widely accepted standard for the representation of characters 0X20-0X7E in English braille (and that doesn't even accommodate the extended ASCII characters), but the same isn't true for most languages. Tjere are cases wjere two users of the same language who live in the very same city perfer different dot mapping schemes for non-alphabetic characters. This is why we've went the route of making it easy for a user to define his own tables while, at the same time, providing a set of tables which are generally accepted. In the absence of standards, that's about the best one can do. Hopefully, as time progresses, more standards will be developed as the preferences of the users of a given language merge. -- Dave Mielke | 2213 Fox Crescent | I believe that the Bible is the Phone: 1-613-726-0014 | Ottawa, Ontario | Word of God. Please contact me EMail: dave@mielke.cc | Canada K2A 1H7 | if you're concerned about Hell. http://familyradio.com/ | http://mielke.cc/bible/ From kd7cyu@yahoo.com Thu Dec 11 16:29:56 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.11.34]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7D5E418267 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:29:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown (HELO tom) (kd7cyu@216.173.216.10 with login) by smtp003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 21:29:54 -0000 Message-ID: <01dd01c3c02d$ff1edd60$0200000a@tom> From: "Tom Masterson" To: Subject: java access bridge Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:30:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01DA_01C3BFEA.EFC58E60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01DA_01C3BFEA.EFC58E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now that I have gnome and gnopernicus working (does much better when you = tell it the right port) can someone tell me where to find teh java = access bridge for gnome? 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------=_NextPart_000_01DA_01C3BFEA.EFC58E60-- From malcolm@commsecure.com.au Thu Dec 11 16:38:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from commsecure.com.au (CommSecureAustPtyLtd.sb1.optus.net.au [203.202.148.106]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8AC918A48 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:38:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from sunhill.commsecure.com.au (sunhill.commsecure.com.au [172.16.15.1]) by commsecure.com.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBBLch717424; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:38:43 +1100 Received: from ws14.commsecure.com.au (ws14.commsecure.com.au [172.16.15.14]) by sunhill.commsecure.com.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBBLcme10937; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:38:48 +1100 Received: from ws14.commsecure.com.au (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ws14.commsecure.com.au (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBBLclEh006064; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:38:47 +1100 Received: (from malcolm@localhost) by ws14.commsecure.com.au (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id hBBLclUN006062; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:38:47 +1100 X-Authentication-Warning: ws14.commsecure.com.au: malcolm set sender to malcolm@commsecure.com.au using -f Subject: Re: java access bridge From: Malcolm Tredinnick To: Tom Masterson Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <01dd01c3c02d$ff1edd60$0200000a@tom> References: <01dd01c3c02d$ff1edd60$0200000a@tom> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1071178726.5795.12.camel@ws14.commsecure.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 (1.4.5-7) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:38:47 +1100 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi Tom, On Fri, 2003-12-12 at 08:30, Tom Masterson wrote: > Now that I have gnome and gnopernicus working (does much better when > you tell it the right port) can someone tell me where to find teh java > access bridge for gnome? It has been posted before but I lost some > emails. You can either get it from the GNOME CVS repository, or download a tarball from http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/java-access-bridge/1.3/ Cheers, Malcolm From deedra@dmwaters.us Mon Dec 15 19:43:12 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.64]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C952418CBE for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:43:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from simba ([68.212.8.108]) by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031216004306.CEWN21685.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@simba> for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:43:06 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:42:15 -0600 (CST) From: Deedra Waters X-X-Sender: dmwaters@simba To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: problems with gnome java access bridge Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I don't really know if anyone is going to have answers for this or not. I was installing the 1.2.1 version of the gnome java access bridge, and it asked meto upgrade at-spi, so I did that. the version I upgraded to with that is 1.3.9. Well, I started gnome with no problems gnopernicus was talking, then all the sudeen it got real quiet, and the load on my machine went through the roof, till I ended up with: 18:16:21 up 21:08, 8 users, load average: 49.24, 42.37, 24.75 It was using all of my ram (128mb) and 210mb of swap space. The thing I'm wondering is, what could possibley be causing such a mess, yeah, I know I don't have a lot of memory, but that can't be the only problem here. What could flatten my machine in a few minutes like that that's inside gnome, or any of theese two latest apps I've installed? If someone could please give me some answers to this, I would appreciate it. Thanks. - -- Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, http://www.gentoo.org Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/3lTuU5AGPOTGNc8RAi3jAJ4qQ5M5c2MA8+VMITebrHQ/ioTdsQCfbC/Y H0zc0A/P5VBi0cfwlO8gtnU= =1Wt9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Padraig.Obriain@Sun.COM Tue Dec 16 03:27:10 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from nwkea-mail-2.sun.com (nwkea-mail-2.sun.com [192.18.42.14]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C15E81820B for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 03:27:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from phys-eris-1 ([129.156.85.25]) by nwkea-mail-2.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBG8R80J009853 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:27:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun.com (anymachine.Ireland.Sun.COM [129.156.238.95]) by eris-mail1.uk.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HPZ00I9OBH7N9@eris-mail1.uk.sun.com> for gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:27:07 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:23:55 +0000 From: "padraig o'briain" Subject: Re: problems with gnome java access bridge To: Deedra Waters Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Message-id: <3FDEC11B.EE50B0B5@sun.com> Organization: Sun Microsystems MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79C-CCK-MCD [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.9 sun4u) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: You do not state what Java application you were running or what applications are using up your CPU. Padraig Deedra Waters wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I don't really know if anyone is going to have answers for this or not. > > I was installing the 1.2.1 version of the gnome java access bridge, and it asked meto upgrade at-spi, so I did that. the version I upgraded to with that is 1.3.9. > > Well, I started gnome with no problems gnopernicus was talking, then all the sudeen it got real quiet, and the load on my machine went through the roof, till I ended up with: 18:16:21 up 21:08, 8 users, load average: 49.24, 42.37, 24.75 > > It was using all of my ram (128mb) and 210mb of swap space. > > The thing I'm wondering is, what could possibley be causing such a mess, yeah, I know I don't have a lot of memory, but that can't be the only problem here. What could flatten my machine in a few minutes like that that's inside gnome, or any of theese two latest apps I've installed? > > If someone could please give me some answers to this, I would appreciate it. Thanks. > > - -- > Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, > http://www.gentoo.org > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE/3lTuU5AGPOTGNc8RAi3jAJ4qQ5M5c2MA8+VMITebrHQ/ioTdsQCfbC/Y > H0zc0A/P5VBi0cfwlO8gtnU= > =1Wt9 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list From christophe.delaunay@thomson.net Tue Dec 16 05:58:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@mail.gnome.org Received: from ns2.thmulti.com (ns2.thmulti.com [141.11.234.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1BD2188BD for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 05:58:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprelay2.thmulti.com (smtprelay2.thmulti.com [141.11.195.242]) by ns2.thmulti.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA20966 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:58:51 +0100 (MET) Received: from parexch3.paris.thmulti.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtprelay2.thmulti.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA23089 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:58:47 +0100 (MET) Received: by parexch3 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:59:13 +0100 Message-ID: <05B4910E0216D411B14F00508B6A67A9055134A4@renexch5.rennes.thmulti.com> From: Delaunay Christophe To: "Gnome Accessibility List (E-mail)" Subject: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 does not want to init my brl display Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:58:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hello listers, From the console, when I type startx, gnopernicus starts talking but does not want to initialize my braille display. I know that this question seems like a faq but before asking for your help, I made sure twice I really did all what I read in the documentation. So, here is my configuration : - linux mandrake 9.2 on a Compaq DeskPro with 512 mb of ram and PIII processor running at 750 mHz; - brltty rev. 3.3.1 compiled with --enable-api and driving a braillex ELba, (Papenmeier braille display with 32 cells); - gnopernicus 0.7.0 with all gnome accessibility features installed, comprising the java access bridge. - The used TTS is festival 1.4.3 but due to problem with my soundboard, it really speaks too fast, (like a tape going twice its speed). When I launch "startx", gnopernicus is really launched and begins to speak but here is what I receive on stderr. ------------------- ********************** * SCREEN READER CORE * ********************** GTK Accessibility Module initialized brl_open_device: open device failed ** BRAILLE initialization failed for BRLTTY on port 1 To change one or more settings use gnopernicus UI (srcore:5924): gnopernicus-WARNING **: Callbacks are NOT supported by "V0 Kevin - Festival GNOME Speech Driver" voice. gnopernicus-Message: speech initialization succeded ----------------- First, I checked for the presence of /etc/brlapi.key. It's really here and I can read it. Then, I used the "gconftool-2" command as stated in brltty's "README.gnopernicus" file in order to let gnopernicus use the brltty API. Then, I wrote a .xinitrc file in my home directory as follows : -------------------- #!/bin/sh # Define environment variables. GARNOME=/usr # garnome is not installed on this computer PYTHONPATH=/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages GDK_USE_XFT=1 GTK_MODULES=gail:atk-bridge export PYTHONPATH GDK_USE_XFT GTK_MODULES # Configure Gnome. gconftool-2 --type bool --set /apps/desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility true # Tell Gnopernicus which virtual terminal is being used by the X display. # This is a bit complicated so cut-and-paste (rather than retype) it. CONTROLVT="$(grep "using VT number" "/var/log/XFree86.$(echo "$DISPLAY" | sed -e "s/^.*::*\([0-9]*\).*$/\1/").log" | sed -e "s/^.*using VT number \([0-9]*\).*$/\1/")" # I added next lines to print the value of CONTROLVT echo -n "=*=*=* The CONTROLVT variable was set to " echo -n $CONTROLVT echo " =*=*=*" export CONTROLVT # Start the Gnome session. exec $GARNOME/bin/gnome-session ------------------ When the X session start, I can notice that the CONTROLVT variable is set to 7. So, what may be causing this braille initialization problem? Is there a way in which gnopernicus could be more precise at init time when an error occurs? Many thanks in advance. Have a nice day. Chris From mlang@lexx.delysid.org Tue Dec 16 07:54:51 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@mail.gnome.org Received: from lexx.delysid.org (chello080109223065.lancity.graz.surfer.at [80.109.223.65]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDC7E1892E for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:54:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mlang by lexx.delysid.org with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1AWEii-0002h0-00; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:54:36 +0100 To: Delaunay Christophe Cc: "Gnome Accessibility List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 does not want to init my brl display From: Mario Lang In-Reply-To: <05B4910E0216D411B14F00508B6A67A9055134A4@renexch5.rennes.thmulti.com> (Delaunay Christophe's message of "Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:58:44 +0100") References: <05B4910E0216D411B14F00508B6A67A9055134A4@renexch5.rennes.thmulti.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:54:36 +0100 Message-ID: <87he00hqib.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 has a bug which results in BRLTTY support not being included. If you compiled from source, get 0.7.1, if you got gnopernicus through a Mandrake package, bug the maintainers that they need to upgrade to 0.7.1. Delaunay Christophe writes: > Hello listers, > >>From the console, when I type startx, gnopernicus starts talking but does > not want to initialize my braille display. > > I know that this question seems like a faq but before asking for your help, > I made sure twice I really did all what I read in the documentation. > > So, here is my configuration : > > - linux mandrake 9.2 on a Compaq DeskPro with 512 mb of ram and PIII > processor running at 750 mHz; > - brltty rev. 3.3.1 compiled with --enable-api and driving a > braillex ELba, (Papenmeier braille display with 32 cells); > - gnopernicus 0.7.0 with all gnome accessibility features installed, > comprising the java access bridge. > - The used TTS is festival 1.4.3 but due to problem with my > soundboard, it really speaks too fast, (like a tape going twice its speed). > > When I launch "startx", gnopernicus is really launched and begins to speak > but here is what I receive on stderr. > ------------------- > ********************** > * SCREEN READER CORE * > ********************** > > GTK Accessibility Module initialized > > brl_open_device: open device failed > ** BRAILLE initialization failed for BRLTTY on port 1 > To change one or more settings use gnopernicus UI > > (srcore:5924): gnopernicus-WARNING **: Callbacks are NOT supported by "V0 > Kevin - Festival GNOME Speech Driver" voice. > gnopernicus-Message: speech initialization succeded > ----------------- > > First, I checked for the presence of /etc/brlapi.key. It's really here and I > can read it. > > Then, I used the "gconftool-2" command as stated in brltty's > "README.gnopernicus" file in order to let gnopernicus use the brltty API. > > Then, I wrote a .xinitrc file in my home directory as follows : > -------------------- > #!/bin/sh > > # Define environment variables. > GARNOME=/usr # garnome is not installed on this computer > PYTHONPATH=/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages > GDK_USE_XFT=1 > GTK_MODULES=gail:atk-bridge > export PYTHONPATH GDK_USE_XFT GTK_MODULES > > # Configure Gnome. > gconftool-2 --type bool --set /apps/desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility > true > > # Tell Gnopernicus which virtual terminal is being used by the X display. > # This is a bit complicated so cut-and-paste (rather than retype) it. > CONTROLVT="$(grep "using VT number" "/var/log/XFree86.$(echo "$DISPLAY" | > sed -e "s/^.*::*\([0-9]*\).*$/\1/").log" | sed -e "s/^.*using VT number > \([0-9]*\).*$/\1/")" > # I added next lines to print the value of CONTROLVT > echo -n "=*=*=* The CONTROLVT variable was set to " > echo -n $CONTROLVT > echo " =*=*=*" > export CONTROLVT > > # Start the Gnome session. > exec $GARNOME/bin/gnome-session > ------------------ > > When the X session start, I can notice that the CONTROLVT variable is set to > 7. > > So, what may be causing this braille initialization problem? > > Is there a way in which gnopernicus could be more precise at init time when > an error occurs? > > Many thanks in advance. Have a nice day. Chris > _______________________________________________ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > -- CYa, Mario | Debian Developer | Get my public key via finger mlang@db.debian.org | 1024D/7FC1A0854909BCCDBE6C102DDFFC022A6B113E44 From deedra@dmwaters.us Tue Dec 16 10:01:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.64]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D49B182D8 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:01:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from simba ([68.212.8.108]) by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031216150110.FEKI29783.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@simba>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:01:10 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:00:18 -0600 (CST) From: Deedra Waters X-X-Sender: dmwaters@simba To: padraig o'briain Cc: Deedra Waters , gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: problems with gnome java access bridge In-Reply-To: <3FDEC11B.EE50B0B5@sun.com> Message-ID: References: <3FDEC11B.EE50B0B5@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 All I did was type startx. As to what was using up my cpu, top didn't show me anything out of the ordinary, top was at the top of the list. What I do know is that This did not happen till I upgraded at-spi, and installed the java access bridge. On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, padraig o'briain wrote: > You do not state what Java application you were running or what applications are using up your CPU. > > Padraig > > > Deedra Waters wrote: > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > I don't really know if anyone is going to have answers for this or not. > > > > I was installing the 1.2.1 version of the gnome java access bridge, and it asked meto upgrade at-spi, so I did that. the version I upgraded to with that is 1.3.9. > > > > Well, I started gnome with no problems gnopernicus was talking, then all the sudeen it got real quiet, and the load on my machine went through the roof, till I ended up with: 18:16:21 up 21:08, 8 users, load average: 49.24, 42.37, 24.75 > > > > It was using all of my ram (128mb) and 210mb of swap space. > > > > The thing I'm wondering is, what could possibley be causing such a mess, yeah, I know I don't have a lot of memory, but that can't be the only problem here. What could flatten my machine in a few minutes like that that's inside gnome, or any of theese two latest apps I've installed? > > > > If someone could please give me some answers to this, I would appreciate it. Thanks. > > > > - -- > > Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, > > http://www.gentoo.org > > > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQE/3lTuU5AGPOTGNc8RAi3jAJ4qQ5M5c2MA8+VMITebrHQ/ioTdsQCfbC/Y > > H0zc0A/P5VBi0cfwlO8gtnU= > > =1Wt9 > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > - -- Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, http://www.gentoo.org Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/3x4LU5AGPOTGNc8RAvPiAKCSBRR9aEeIF4sbcrMgpaV6TVCyuACgq/yW nVjnNo6Ww1xgThOGZcSUtKA= =pjAG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Padraig.Obriain@Sun.COM Tue Dec 16 10:08:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (nwkea-mail-1.sun.com [192.18.42.13]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F00B182D8 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:08:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from phys-eris-1 ([129.156.85.25]) by nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBGF7lrl015508 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:08:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun.com (anymachine.Ireland.Sun.COM [129.156.238.95]) by eris-mail1.uk.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HPZ00CQ6U1AJ0@eris-mail1.uk.sun.com> for gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:07:58 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:04:46 +0000 From: "padraig o'briain" Subject: Re: problems with gnome java access bridge To: Deedra Waters Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Message-id: <3FDF1F0E.8B8D3539@sun.com> Organization: Sun Microsystems MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79C-CCK-MCD [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.9 sun4u) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <3FDEC11B.EE50B0B5@sun.com> Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This does not sound like anything to do with the java access bridge. Is this a process running at-spi-registryd and can you get a stack trace from it? Padraig Deedra Waters wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > All I did was type startx. As to what was using up my cpu, top didn't show me anything out of the ordinary, top was at the top of the list. > > What I do know is that This did not happen till I upgraded at-spi, and installed the java access bridge. > > On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, padraig o'briain wrote: > > > You do not state what Java application you were running or what applications are using up your CPU. > > > > Padraig > > > > > > Deedra Waters wrote: > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > I don't really know if anyone is going to have answers for this or not. > > > > > > I was installing the 1.2.1 version of the gnome java access bridge, and it asked meto upgrade at-spi, so I did that. the version I upgraded to with that is 1.3.9. > > > > > > Well, I started gnome with no problems gnopernicus was talking, then all the sudeen it got real quiet, and the load on my machine went through the roof, till I ended up with: 18:16:21 up 21:08, 8 users, load average: 49.24, 42.37, 24.75 > > > > > > It was using all of my ram (128mb) and 210mb of swap space. > > > > > > The thing I'm wondering is, what could possibley be causing such a mess, yeah, I know I don't have a lot of memory, but that can't be the only problem here. What could flatten my machine in a few minutes like that that's inside gnome, or any of theese two latest apps I've installed? > > > > > > If someone could please give me some answers to this, I would appreciate it. Thanks. > > > > > > - -- > > > Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, > > > http://www.gentoo.org > > > > > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > iD8DBQE/3lTuU5AGPOTGNc8RAi3jAJ4qQ5M5c2MA8+VMITebrHQ/ioTdsQCfbC/Y > > > H0zc0A/P5VBi0cfwlO8gtnU= > > > =1Wt9 > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > - -- > Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, > http://www.gentoo.org > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE/3x4LU5AGPOTGNc8RAvPiAKCSBRR9aEeIF4sbcrMgpaV6TVCyuACgq/yW > nVjnNo6Ww1xgThOGZcSUtKA= > =pjAG > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From deedra@dmwaters.us Tue Dec 16 10:28:09 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10728185DF for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:28:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from simba ([68.212.8.108]) by imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031216152808.EBYA17885.imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net@simba>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:28:08 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:27:17 -0600 (CST) From: Deedra Waters X-X-Sender: dmwaters@simba To: padraig o'briain Cc: Deedra Waters , gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: problems with gnome java access bridge In-Reply-To: <3FDF1F0E.8B8D3539@sun.com> Message-ID: References: <3FDEC11B.EE50B0B5@sun.com> <3FDF1F0E.8B8D3539@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 heh, once I start x, the problem is that my poor machine gets slammed, even with processes reniced to 20, with in a minute or two my load hits 50, and all I can do is sit there and look at it. I suspect that if I had about 10 times my ram, this might be easier for me to debug.:) Can you suggest any ways for me to grab a strace of it before I get slammed? On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, padraig o'briain wrote: > This does not sound like anything to do with the java access bridge. > > Is this a process running at-spi-registryd and can you get a stack trace from it? > > Padraig > > Deedra Waters wrote: > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > All I did was type startx. As to what was using up my cpu, top didn't show me anything out of the ordinary, top was at the top of the list. > > > > What I do know is that This did not happen till I upgraded at-spi, and installed the java access bridge. > > > > On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, padraig o'briain wrote: > > > > > You do not state what Java application you were running or what applications are using up your CPU. > > > > > > Padraig > > > > > > > > > Deedra Waters wrote: > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > > I don't really know if anyone is going to have answers for this or not. > > > > > > > > I was installing the 1.2.1 version of the gnome java access bridge, and it asked meto upgrade at-spi, so I did that. the version I upgraded to with that is 1.3.9. > > > > > > > > Well, I started gnome with no problems gnopernicus was talking, then all the sudeen it got real quiet, and the load on my machine went through the roof, till I ended up with: 18:16:21 up 21:08, 8 users, load average: 49.24, 42.37, 24.75 > > > > > > > > It was using all of my ram (128mb) and 210mb of swap space. > > > > > > > > The thing I'm wondering is, what could possibley be causing such a mess, yeah, I know I don't have a lot of memory, but that can't be the only problem here. What could flatten my machine in a few minutes like that that's inside gnome, or any of theese two latest apps I've installed? > > > > > > > > If someone could please give me some answers to this, I would appreciate it. Thanks. > > > > > > > > - -- > > > > Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, > > > > http://www.gentoo.org > > > > > > > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > > > iD8DBQE/3lTuU5AGPOTGNc8RAi3jAJ4qQ5M5c2MA8+VMITebrHQ/ioTdsQCfbC/Y > > > > H0zc0A/P5VBi0cfwlO8gtnU= > > > > =1Wt9 > > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > > > > - -- > > Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, > > http://www.gentoo.org > > > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQE/3x4LU5AGPOTGNc8RAvPiAKCSBRR9aEeIF4sbcrMgpaV6TVCyuACgq/yW > > nVjnNo6Ww1xgThOGZcSUtKA= > > =pjAG > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > - -- Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, http://www.gentoo.org Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/3yRcU5AGPOTGNc8RAoQpAKCs/TPgRgS9JeOr419iTWposKUTGQCfQf4y vztTeHRjomilIwcLtyAPv4I= =siJT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Bill.Haneman@Sun.COM Tue Dec 16 10:48:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from nwkea-mail-2.sun.com (nwkea-mail-2.sun.com [192.18.42.14]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB1C018132 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:48:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from phys-eris-1 ([129.156.85.25]) by nwkea-mail-2.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBGFmQ0L004547 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:48:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from ireland.sun.com (max.Ireland.Sun.COM [129.156.238.48]) by eris-mail1.uk.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HPZ00CTJVWRJ0@eris-mail1.uk.sun.com> for gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:48:27 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:39:03 +0000 From: Bill Haneman Subject: [Fwd: Re: accessibility for low vision] To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Reply-To: Bill.Haneman@Sun.COM Message-id: <3FDF2717.C88622F@ireland.sun.com> Organization: Sun Microsystems MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79C-CCK-MCD [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.10 sun4u) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I am forwarding a message from Dirk Schouten. I will reply to it on-list. I expect that many others on this list will have additional comments. I believe Dirk points out some significant RFEs for us, but my impression is that we can address a number of items on his wish list already. I'd be interested in other opinions. best regards, - Bill -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: accessibility for low vision Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:20:34 +0100 From: Dirk Schouten To: Bill Haneman References: <3.0.6.32.20031215140504.00a18c30@pop.knoware.nl><3.0.6.32.20031215140504.00a18c30@pop.knoware.nl> At 14:07 15-12-03 +0000, you wrote: >Dirk Schouten wrote: > >>Esteemed Mr. Haneman, >>Bein visually impaired and Linux user (servers), I hope addressing you will >>make me also use a GUI desktop in the future. >>My main problems with a LINUX GUI are: >>- The lack of big cursors >>- The lack of mouse software. >> >>When GNOME is interested in hearing my/our specific needs, I will be happy >>to elaborate on the above mentioned items. >>Kind regards, >>Dirk >> >Hi Dirk: > >I'd be very interested in your needs. Perhaps you could re-send this >message, or give me permission to forward it to >'gnome-accessibility-devel@gnome.org', so that the discussion can be public. > >The 'big cursors' issue has to do with limitations in the underlying >XServer system. There are some APIs on the way that I believe will help >address this issue. > >Also, if you have two frame buffers you can get a much-enlarged cursor >using 'gnome-mag' and gnopernicus. The performance is a bit sluggish >but it may be enough for your immediate needs. > >But I'd like to hear more about the 'mouse software' which would be >useful to you. Can you elaborate? > >thanks and best regards, > >Bill > Hello Bill, Thanks for the quick reply. I will write it down in a way that it's wider usable. You have permission to copy, cc, etc. Kind regards, Dirk ------------------------------------------------------------------ Visually impaired and the Linux desktop. The visually impaired face a lot of problems when trying to use a 'smooth' desktop. Smooth is difficult to define because there are so many eye deficiencies. Still, a lot of visually impaired and elderly people woudl be greatly helped when a few problems would be solved. And there are many. Some general GUI problems: - good quality fonts that are/stay sharp when enlarged - big icons for the desktop - Every entry in a program should have adjustable font size (menubar, drop down menu's, popupwindows, button characters) - Programs should use the complete desktop. A 'nice' example are the mail programs. There is not one Linux mail program that can do without a 'mailboxes' window like Eudora can. Eudora has a 'Mailbox' entry in the menubar. When clicking on it, the 'Mailboxes' dropdown menu opens and you see all your mailboxes. Point with your mouse and the mailbox opens _full screen_. In that way the whole surface of the desktop is usable for reading mail and reading folders. Personally speaking, this is one of the reasons I have to stay with Windows. Special problems in the GUI environment are the mouse pointers and cursors: - They are much too small. - There is only one (Debian) package with a badly designed big mouse and cursor. - There is not a variety in mouse pointers, cursors, hourglasses etc. that can fit one's need. - There is no mouse software that can: - make long mouse trails - get the mouse pointer in one position on the screen where you can always find it (one of the corners, or the middle of the screen). - get the mouse pointer standard on 'yes' or 'no' (saves searching) - make the cursor blink (to attract attention) A clone of an old version of 'Toggle' http://www.toggle.com would be useful. Hope this is useful to you. Looking forward to .... Kind regards, Dirk ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dirk Schouten Our OSS/GPL primary school CMS Site@School: http://siteatschool.sourceforge.net Tools for teachers: http://wyxs.net Media Action Projects: http://utopia.knoware.nl/users/schoutdi ________________________________ From filastin48@hotmail.com Tue Dec 16 12:53:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from hotmail.com (law11-oe19.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.16.123]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C823E18A7D for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:53:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:53:24 -0800 Received: from 141.161.90.161 by law11-oe19.law11.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:53:24 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [141.161.90.161] X-Originating-Email: [filastin48@hotmail.com] X-Sender: filastin48@hotmail.com Reply-To: "cris" From: "cris" To: Subject: step by step instruction on how to start gnome Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:59:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01C3C3D4.6B00BF40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2003 17:53:24.0441 (UTC) FILETIME=[805FCC90:01C3C3FD] Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C3C3D4.6B00BF40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Hi Folks, > Where can I find a step by step instructions on how to start gnome = with > gnopernicus? I am completely illiterate with linux. I just installed = fedora > and want to play with gnome. My fedora could not detect my sound = system, so > I want to try gnopernicus with dectalk express. If any of you can = guide me > through this process, I will be grateful. > Cheers, > Cris ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C3C3D4.6B00BF40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>
> Hi Folks,
> Where = can I find a=20 step by step instructions on how to start gnome with
> = gnopernicus? I am=20 completely illiterate with linux.  I just installed fedora
> = and want=20 to play with gnome.  My fedora could not detect my sound system, = so
>=20 I want to try gnopernicus with dectalk express.  If any of you can = guide=20 me
> through this process, I will be grateful.
> = Cheers,
>=20 Cris
------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C3C3D4.6B00BF40-- From tward1978@earthlink.net Tue Dec 16 13:42:10 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D68AA18ACC for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:42:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdn-ap-019ilchicp0238.dialsprint.net ([65.176.192.238] helo=noneflzmskjmuf) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AWK8w-0007cE-00; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:42:03 -0800 Message-ID: <00b301c3c404$51913550$eec0b041@noneflzmskjmuf> From: "Tom and Esther Ward" To: "cris" Cc: References: Subject: Re: step by step instruction on how to start gnome Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:42:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B0_01C3C3DA.67CF1FA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01C3C3DA.67CF1FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, Cris. At the current time gnome-speech does not have Dectalk Express = support. There is a driver I am developing, but I haven't done much with = that project as of late. For the time being you'll need your sound card operational so that you = can use gnopernicus with a software speech system such as festival, = freetts, or the dectalk software from Fonix. I'm not certain, but I believe Fedora uses the Red Hat sndconfig utility = for sound card configuration. If so make sure sndconfig is installed, and run sndconfig which is a = textual dialog based application which will walk you step by step = through the sound configuration. As for starting gnome you'll need three things. One make sure the = x-windows server is installed properly. Make sure gnome is installed and = set as your default desktop. These questions were probably asked during = the Linux install, and while installing you should have installed x and = a gnome desktop. It is also a good idea to install festival as = gnopernicus generally defaults to festival first. If so you are ready to = start up gnome with accessibility. Before launching gnome for the first time this accessibility key must be = set. This only needs to be once. gconftool-2 --type bool --set /desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility = true Now, type startx and x-windows should load. At this point press alt-f2 to get a run dialog, type gnopernicus, and = press enter. Assuming your sound card is operational, festival is installed, you = should here welcome to gnopernicus. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: cris=20 To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:59 PM Subject: step by step instruction on how to start gnome > > Hi Folks, > Where can I find a step by step instructions on how to start gnome = with > gnopernicus? I am completely illiterate with linux. I just = installed fedora > and want to play with gnome. My fedora could not detect my sound = system, so > I want to try gnopernicus with dectalk express. If any of you can = guide me > through this process, I will be grateful. > Cheers, > Cris ------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01C3C3DA.67CF1FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello, Cris.
At the current time gnome-speech =  does=20 not have  Dectalk Express support. There is a driver I am = developing, but I=20 haven't done much with that project as of late.
For the time being you'll need your = sound card=20 operational so that you can use gnopernicus with a software speech = system such=20 as festival, freetts, or the dectalk software from Fonix.
I'm not certain, but I believe Fedora = uses the Red=20 Hat sndconfig utility for sound card configuration.
If so make sure sndconfig is installed, = and run=20 sndconfig which is a textual dialog based application which will walk = you step=20 by step through the sound configuration.
As for starting gnome you'll need three = things. One=20 make sure the x-windows server is installed properly. Make sure gnome is = installed and set as your default desktop. These questions were probably = asked=20 during the Linux install, and while installing you should have installed = x and a=20 gnome desktop. It is also a good idea to install festival as gnopernicus = generally defaults to festival first. If so you are ready to start up = gnome with=20 accessibility.
Before launching gnome for the first = time this=20 accessibility key must be set. This only needs to be once.
gconftool-2 --type bool --set=20 /desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility true
Now, type startx and x-windows should=20 load.
At this point press alt-f2 to = get a run=20 dialog, type gnopernicus, and press enter.
Assuming your sound card is = operational, festival=20 is installed, you should here welcome to gnopernicus.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 cris=20
To: gnome-accessibility-li= st@gnome.org=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, = 2003 12:59=20 PM
Subject: step by step = instruction on how=20 to start gnome

>
> Hi Folks,
> Where = can I find a=20 step by step instructions on how to start gnome with
> = gnopernicus? I am=20 completely illiterate with linux.  I just installed = fedora
> and=20 want to play with gnome.  My fedora could not detect my sound = system,=20 so
> I want to try gnopernicus with dectalk express.  If = any of you=20 can guide me
> through this process, I will be grateful.
> = Cheers,
> Cris
------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01C3C3DA.67CF1FA0-- From tward1978@earthlink.net Tue Dec 16 13:46:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E38C41829A for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:46:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdn-ap-019ilchicp0238.dialsprint.net ([65.176.192.238] helo=noneflzmskjmuf) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AWKD3-0000wY-00; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:46:18 -0800 Message-ID: <00cc01c3c404$e98581e0$eec0b041@noneflzmskjmuf> From: "Tom and Esther Ward" To: "Delaunay Christophe" Cc: References: <05B4910E0216D411B14F00508B6A67A9055134A4@renexch5.rennes.thmulti.com> Subject: Re: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 does not want to init my brl display Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:46:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, Delaunay. There is a known bug with gnopernicus 0.7.0 which ships with Drake where the braille support is broken. You must download 0.7.1 from gnome.org and rebuild ggnopernicus from that in order to get braille support. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Delaunay Christophe" To: "Gnome Accessibility List (E-mail)" Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 5:58 AM Subject: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 does not want to init my brl display > Hello listers, > > From the console, when I type startx, gnopernicus starts talking but does > not want to initialize my braille display. > > I know that this question seems like a faq but before asking for your help, > I made sure twice I really did all what I read in the documentation. > > So, here is my configuration : > > - linux mandrake 9.2 on a Compaq DeskPro with 512 mb of ram and PIII > processor running at 750 mHz; > - brltty rev. 3.3.1 compiled with --enable-api and driving a > braillex ELba, (Papenmeier braille display with 32 cells); > - gnopernicus 0.7.0 with all gnome accessibility features installed, > comprising the java access bridge. > - The used TTS is festival 1.4.3 but due to problem with my > soundboard, it really speaks too fast, (like a tape going twice its speed). > > When I launch "startx", gnopernicus is really launched and begins to speak > but here is what I receive on stderr. > ------------------- > ********************** > * SCREEN READER CORE * > ********************** > > GTK Accessibility Module initialized > > brl_open_device: open device failed > ** BRAILLE initialization failed for BRLTTY on port 1 > To change one or more settings use gnopernicus UI > > (srcore:5924): gnopernicus-WARNING **: Callbacks are NOT supported by "V0 > Kevin - Festival GNOME Speech Driver" voice. > gnopernicus-Message: speech initialization succeded > ----------------- > > First, I checked for the presence of /etc/brlapi.key. It's really here and I > can read it. > > Then, I used the "gconftool-2" command as stated in brltty's > "README.gnopernicus" file in order to let gnopernicus use the brltty API. > > Then, I wrote a .xinitrc file in my home directory as follows : > -------------------- > #!/bin/sh > > # Define environment variables. > GARNOME=/usr # garnome is not installed on this computer > PYTHONPATH=/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages > GDK_USE_XFT=1 > GTK_MODULES=gail:atk-bridge > export PYTHONPATH GDK_USE_XFT GTK_MODULES > > # Configure Gnome. > gconftool-2 --type bool --set /apps/desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility > true > > # Tell Gnopernicus which virtual terminal is being used by the X display. > # This is a bit complicated so cut-and-paste (rather than retype) it. > CONTROLVT="$(grep "using VT number" "/var/log/XFree86.$(echo "$DISPLAY" | > sed -e "s/^.*::*\([0-9]*\).*$/\1/").log" | sed -e "s/^.*using VT number > \([0-9]*\).*$/\1/")" > # I added next lines to print the value of CONTROLVT > echo -n "=*=*=* The CONTROLVT variable was set to " > echo -n $CONTROLVT > echo " =*=*=*" > export CONTROLVT > > # Start the Gnome session. > exec $GARNOME/bin/gnome-session > ------------------ > > When the X session start, I can notice that the CONTROLVT variable is set to > 7. > > So, what may be causing this braille initialization problem? > > Is there a way in which gnopernicus could be more precise at init time when > an error occurs? > > Many thanks in advance. Have a nice day. Chris > _______________________________________________ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > From deedra@dmwaters.us Tue Dec 16 19:39:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46DB518383 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:39:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from simba ([68.212.8.108]) by imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031217003945.OPQL17885.imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net@simba>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:39:45 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:38:54 -0600 (CST) From: Deedra Waters X-X-Sender: dmwaters@simba To: Deedra Waters Cc: padraig o'briain , gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: problems with gnome java access bridge In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <3FDEC11B.EE50B0B5@sun.com> <3FDF1F0E.8B8D3539@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ok, removing mozilla seems to have fixed the insane load average, and memory consumption. As near as I can tell, several instences of mozilla seem to be starting, so many that it seems to be swamping my machine entirely. On a slightly different topic, I see a lot of this while gnome is running.... gnopernicus-Message: Multiple instances are NOT ALLOWED. This instance will end.gnopernicus-Message: Multiple instances are NOT ALLOWED. This instance will end.gnopernicus-Message: Multiple instances are NOT ALLOWED. This instance will end.You can only run one xsettings manager at a time; exiting Can anyone tell me why this is happening? and if this is normal? Now I just need to find out why gnopernicus seems to be unresponsive after it starts up, though I guess I might be able to figure that out soon enough. Thanks for your help. On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Deedra Waters wrote: > --[PinePGP]--------------------------------------------------[begin]-- > heh, once I start x, the problem is that my poor machine gets slammed, even with processes reniced to 20, with in a minute or two my load hits 50, and all I can do is sit there and look at it. I suspect that if I had about 10 times my ram, this might be easier for me to debug.:) > > Can you suggest any ways for me to grab a strace of it before I get slammed? > > > On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, padraig o'briain wrote: > > > This does not sound like anything to do with the java access bridge. > > > > Is this a process running at-spi-registryd and can you get a stack trace from it? > > > > Padraig > > > > Deedra Waters wrote: > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > All I did was type startx. As to what was using up my cpu, top didn't show me anything out of the ordinary, top was at the top of the list. > > > > > > What I do know is that This did not happen till I upgraded at-spi, and installed the java access bridge. > > > > > > On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, padraig o'briain wrote: > > > > > > > You do not state what Java application you were running or what applications are using up your CPU. > > > > > > > > Padraig > > > > > > > > > > > > Deedra Waters wrote: > > > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > > > > I don't really know if anyone is going to have answers for this or not. > > > > > > > > > > I was installing the 1.2.1 version of the gnome java access bridge, and it asked meto upgrade at-spi, so I did that. the version I upgraded to with that is 1.3.9. > > > > > > > > > > Well, I started gnome with no problems gnopernicus was talking, then all the sudeen it got real quiet, and the load on my machine went through the roof, till I ended up with: 18:16:21 up 21:08, 8 users, load average: 49.24, 42.37, 24.75 > > > > > > > > > > It was using all of my ram (128mb) and 210mb of swap space. > > > > > > > > > > The thing I'm wondering is, what could possibley be causing such a mess, yeah, I know I don't have a lot of memory, but that can't be the only problem here. What could flatten my machine in a few minutes like that that's inside gnome, or any of theese two latest apps I've installed? > > > > > > > > > > If someone could please give me some answers to this, I would appreciate it. Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > - -- > > > > > Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, > > > > > http://www.gentoo.org > > > > > > > > > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > > > > > iD8DBQE/3lTuU5AGPOTGNc8RAi3jAJ4qQ5M5c2MA8+VMITebrHQ/ioTdsQCfbC/Y > > > > > H0zc0A/P5VBi0cfwlO8gtnU= > > > > > =1Wt9 > > > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > > > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > > > > > > > - -- > > > Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, > > > http://www.gentoo.org > > > > > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > iD8DBQE/3x4LU5AGPOTGNc8RAvPiAKCSBRR9aEeIF4sbcrMgpaV6TVCyuACgq/yW > > > nVjnNo6Ww1xgThOGZcSUtKA= > > > =pjAG > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > -- > Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, > http://www.gentoo.org > > Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net > > --[PinePGP]----------------------------------------------------------- > gpg: Signature made Tue Dec 16 09:27:24 2003 CST using DSA key ID E4C635CF > gpg: Good signature from "Deedra Waters " > gpg: aka "Deedra Waters " > gpg: aka "Deedra Waters " > gpg: aka "Deedra Waters " > --[PinePGP]----------------------------------------------------[end]-- > - -- Gentoo Linux: dmwaters@gentoo.org, http://www.gentoo.org Freenode staff member: dmwaters@freenode.net , http://www.freenode.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/36WlU5AGPOTGNc8RAvbnAKCB5Ti7egpn6o3FxJHW/cQXXIXOcACZAY4E ZJFGt0S7vIaGmLastwgLRlE= =1MdY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From christophe.delaunay@thomson.net Wed Dec 17 02:24:00 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@mail.gnome.org Received: from ns1.thmulti.com (ns1.thmulti.com [141.11.234.67]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F0A618348 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 02:24:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprelay.thmulti.com (smtprelay [141.11.194.9]) by ns1.thmulti.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA28373 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:23:57 +0100 (MET) Received: from parexch9.paris.thmulti.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtprelay.thmulti.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA28524 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:23:56 +0100 (MET) Received: by outlook.paris.thmulti.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:23:57 +0100 Message-ID: <05B4910E0216D411B14F00508B6A67A9055134A6@renexch5.rennes.thmulti.com> From: Delaunay Christophe To: "Gnome Accessibility List (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 does not want to init my brl display Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:23:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi Tom, Many thanks for your reply. I finally did it and it nearly works. The = only problem which remains is that since my braille display is quite short, = (32 cells only), it only shows me the beginning of a chunk and I don't know = how to display the end. When I perform a CmtFWinRt command, it directly = goes to next item and I did not figure out how to change this behaviour yet. It = is especially annoying while getting long edit fields or checkboxes with = long descriptions since the check mark is presented at the end. So, if anyone knows how to configure gnopernicus in order to display = the entirety of each item on a short braille display, I would appreciate = any hint. Many thanks to all those who helped me to have braille support. Have a = nice day. Chris -----Original Message----- From: Tom and Esther Ward [mailto:tward1978@earthlink.net] Sent: mardi 16 d=E9cembre 2003 19:46 To: Delaunay Christophe Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 does not want to init my brl display Hi, Delaunay. There is a known bug with gnopernicus 0.7.0 which ships with Drake = where the braille support is broken. You must download 0.7.1 from gnome.org and rebuild ggnopernicus from that in order to get braille support. From christophe.delaunay@thomson.net Wed Dec 17 09:04:00 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@mail.gnome.org Received: from ns1.thmulti.com (ns1.thmulti.com [141.11.234.67]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 373F5181DA for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:03:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprelay.thmulti.com (smtprelay [141.11.194.9]) by ns1.thmulti.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA27068 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:03:56 +0100 (MET) Received: from parexch9.paris.thmulti.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtprelay.thmulti.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA02281 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:03:54 +0100 (MET) Received: by outlook.paris.thmulti.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:03:56 +0100 Message-ID: <05B4910E0216D411B14F00508B6A67A9055134A8@renexch5.rennes.thmulti.com> From: Delaunay Christophe To: "Gnome Accessibility List (E-mail)" Subject: gnopernicus and gnome terminal Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:03:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi listers, I wanted to use the gnome terminal in order to try launching a java application. Problem : When I launch the terminal, gnopernicus reports that it is an unknown terminal and does not want to read the command line. Or, perhaps, I don't know how to bring the display to it. So, what should I do? Many thanks in advance. Have a nice day. Chris From christophe.delaunay@thomson.net Wed Dec 17 09:46:09 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@mail.gnome.org Received: from ns1.thmulti.com (ns1.thmulti.com [141.11.234.67]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72DC518514 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:46:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprelay.thmulti.com (smtprelay [141.11.194.9]) by ns1.thmulti.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA03298 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:46:07 +0100 (MET) Received: from parexch3.paris.thmulti.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtprelay.thmulti.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA09280 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:46:03 +0100 (MET) Received: by parexch3 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:11:53 +0100 Message-ID: <05B4910E0216D411B14F00508B6A67A9055134A9@renexch5.rennes.thmulti.com> From: Delaunay Christophe To: "Gnome Accessibility List (E-mail)" Subject: gnopernicus and braille paning Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:12:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi listers, I'm using gnopernicus through BRLTTY's API with a quite small 32 cells display. I noticed that the "pan right" command of my display is mapped to BRLTTY's "CmdFWinRt", which in turn is mapped to "Do default action", in gnopernicus. In fact, when I issue the pan right command, it simply displays next item. However, when there are long items to display, how can I manage to read more than its 32 first characters on my display? Hope my explanations are clear enough and many thanks in advance for any advice. Have a nice day. Chris From rjc@MIT.EDU Wed Dec 17 14:50:38 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.83]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 194D2181FE for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:50:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from central-city-carrier-station.mit.edu (CENTRAL-CITY-CARRIER-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.72]) by pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id hBHJobxY021682 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:50:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.86]) by central-city-carrier-station.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id hBHJoa54005595 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:50:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from johnlennon (JOHNLENNON.MIT.EDU [18.113.1.240]) ) by melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with SMTP id hBHJoYRj001311 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:50:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002201c3c4d6$fdb1cfc0$f0017112@johnlennon> From: "Rich Caloggero" To: References: <05B4910E0216D411B14F00508B6A67A9055134A6@renexch5.rennes.thmulti.com> Subject: Re: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 does not want to init my brl display Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:50:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I'm wondering the same thing. How can we change the way Gnopernicus renders information either in speech or braille? Its somewhere in the config settings, but the UI I found to change some of these rules for how to pronounce different UI items is itself hard to use because of the way the rules are setup. So, is there a text-based way of changing these settings, and some documentation on how to do it? Thanx in advance... Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Delaunay Christophe" To: "Gnome Accessibility List (E-mail)" Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:23 AM Subject: RE: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 does not want to init my brl display Hi Tom, Many thanks for your reply. I finally did it and it nearly works. The only problem which remains is that since my braille display is quite short, (32 cells only), it only shows me the beginning of a chunk and I don't know how to display the end. When I perform a CmtFWinRt command, it directly goes to next item and I did not figure out how to change this behaviour yet. It is especially annoying while getting long edit fields or checkboxes with long descriptions since the check mark is presented at the end. So, if anyone knows how to configure gnopernicus in order to display the entirety of each item on a short braille display, I would appreciate any hint. Many thanks to all those who helped me to have braille support. Have a nice day. Chris -----Original Message----- From: Tom and Esther Ward [mailto:tward1978@earthlink.net] Sent: mardi 16 décembre 2003 19:46 To: Delaunay Christophe Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 does not want to init my brl display Hi, Delaunay. There is a known bug with gnopernicus 0.7.0 which ships with Drake where the braille support is broken. You must download 0.7.1 from gnome.org and rebuild ggnopernicus from that in order to get braille support. _______________________________________________ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list From Peter.Korn@Sun.COM Wed Dec 17 18:44:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from nwkea-mail-2.sun.com (nwkea-mail-2.sun.com [192.18.42.14]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A720A18B72 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:44:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from phys-d3-ha21sca-1 ([129.145.155.163]) by nwkea-mail-2.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBHNiL0H027190 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:44:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun.com (vpn-129-150-19-83.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.19.83]) by ha21sca-mail1.sfbay.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HQ2007GTCLWYK@ha21sca-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> for gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:44:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:44:18 -0800 From: Peter Korn Subject: Re: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 does not want to init my brl display To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Message-id: <3FE0EA52.9090108@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 References: <05B4910E0216D411B14F00508B6A67A9055134A6@renexch5.rennes.thmulti.com> <002201c3c4d6$fdb1cfc0$f0017112@johnlennon> Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi Rich, Chris, > I'm wondering the same thing. How can we change the way Gnopernicus renders > information either in speech or braille? Its somewhere in the config > settings, but the UI I found to change some of these rules for how to > pronounce different UI items is itself hard to use because of the way the > rules are setup. So, is there a text-based way of changing these settings, > and some documentation on how to do it? > > Thanx in advance... Chris - which Braille display are you using? I don't think BAUM owns all of the displays they support (especially since the BrlTTY work). Also, what are the Braille command settings in the Preferences->Braille Preferences->Braille Key Mapping dialog (the Braille Keys tab)? Gnopernicus version 0.71 defines these Braille keys as "DKxx". You can map these to whatever Gnopernicus command you want. See if that fixes things for you. Both Rich and Chris - the presentation output changes you want to make can be found in the Preferences->Presentation dialog. This is currently a very difficult dialog to use, and as a result of feedback from folks Sun brought into our Usability Labs BAUM is in the middle of redesigning these dialogs. For now, you need to arrow down through the table to find the line containing the combination of [output device, role, event] and modify the presentation string (in the "chunk" column) to make the output be what you want. Note also that in addition to the dialog changes that are in process, BAUM is changing the syntax of the output "chunk", moving to XML. Finally, while these strings are stored in gconf for now, they will be moving to their own XML file which gets read at startup time. So, the basic answer is that you can change things now, and hopefully soon (before GNOME 2.6.0) it will be much easier to change them! Regards, Peter Korn Sun Accessibility team > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Delaunay Christophe" > To: "Gnome Accessibility List (E-mail)" > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:23 AM > Subject: RE: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 does not want to init my brl display > > > Hi Tom, > > Many thanks for your reply. I finally did it and it nearly works. The only > problem which remains is that since my braille display is quite short, (32 > cells only), it only shows me the beginning of a chunk and I don't know how > to display the end. When I perform a CmtFWinRt command, it directly goes to > next item and I did not figure out how to change this behaviour yet. It is > especially annoying while getting long edit fields or checkboxes with long > descriptions since the check mark is presented at the end. > > So, if anyone knows how to configure gnopernicus in order to display the > entirety of each item on a short braille display, I would appreciate any > hint. > > Many thanks to all those who helped me to have braille support. Have a nice > day. Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom and Esther Ward [mailto:tward1978@earthlink.net] > Sent: mardi 16 décembre 2003 19:46 > To: Delaunay Christophe > Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: Gnopernicus 0.7.0 does not want to init my brl display > > > Hi, Delaunay. > There is a known bug with gnopernicus 0.7.0 which ships with Drake where the > braille support is broken. You must download 0.7.1 from gnome.org and > rebuild ggnopernicus from that in order to get braille support. > _______________________________________________ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list From filastin48@hotmail.com Thu Dec 18 16:17:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from hotmail.com (law11-oe42.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.16.100]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D42518327 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:17:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:17:58 -0800 Received: from 141.161.90.161 by law11-oe42.law11.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:17:58 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [141.161.90.161] X-Originating-Email: [filastin48@hotmail.com] X-Sender: filastin48@hotmail.com Reply-To: "cris" From: "cris" To: Subject: help with gnome and gnopernicus. Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:23:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01C3C583.57109CC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Dec 2003 21:17:58.0509 (UTC) FILETIME=[691D71D0:01C3C5AC] Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C3C583.57109CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi folks, When I logged out of the gnome session I had save session = checked, I did this several times. Now, every time I run gnome, I have = many coppies running at the same time. So, everything gnopernicus says, = it gets repeated several times. I can no longer understand what it says = because of this problem. Is there a way of manually deleting those = settings and starting fresh with the command line? How can I solve this = problem? =20 I also want to know where to find a document that lists the basic screen = review commands of gnopernicus, so that I can read the help files. Any help would be extremely appreciated. Cris ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C3C583.57109CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi folks,    When I = logged out of=20 the gnome session I had save session checked, I did this several = times. =20 Now, every time I run gnome, I have many coppies running at the same = time. =20 So, everything gnopernicus says, it gets repeated several times.  I = can no=20 longer understand what it says because of this problem.  Is there a = way of=20 manually deleting those settings and starting fresh with the command = line? =20 How can I solve this problem? 
I also want to know where to find a = document that=20 lists the basic screen review commands of gnopernicus, so that I can = read the=20 help files.
Any help would be extremely=20 appreciated.
Cris
------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C3C583.57109CC0-- From tward1978@earthlink.net Thu Dec 18 17:06:56 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net (conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.54]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85EBC180E4 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:06:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdn-ap-017ilchicp0448.dialsprint.net ([65.176.169.194] helo=noneflzmskjmuf) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AX6II-0006le-00; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:06:54 -0800 Message-ID: <009501c3c5b3$47a417a0$c2a9b041@noneflzmskjmuf> From: "Tom and Esther Ward" To: "cris" Cc: References: Subject: Re: help with gnome and gnopernicus. Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:07:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0092_01C3C589.5D3D8490" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0092_01C3C589.5D3D8490 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One possible solution is to delete the session files in your .gnome2 = directory in your home directory. If you can't find them it might just be easier to delete .gnome2 = directory, and let it get recreated when launching gnome again. Note, you will probably loose any settings you have for gnopernicus so = be prepared to reset your favorite settings. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: cris=20 To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org=20 Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 4:23 PM Subject: help with gnome and gnopernicus. Hi folks, When I logged out of the gnome session I had save session = checked, I did this several times. Now, every time I run gnome, I have = many coppies running at the same time. So, everything gnopernicus says, = it gets repeated several times. I can no longer understand what it says = because of this problem. Is there a way of manually deleting those = settings and starting fresh with the command line? How can I solve this = problem? =20 I also want to know where to find a document that lists the basic = screen review commands of gnopernicus, so that I can read the help = files. Any help would be extremely appreciated. Cris ------=_NextPart_000_0092_01C3C589.5D3D8490 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
One possible solution is to delete the = session=20 files in your .gnome2 directory in your home directory.
If you can't find them it might just be = easier to=20 delete .gnome2 directory, and let it get recreated when launching gnome=20 again.
Note, you will probably loose any = settings you have=20 for gnopernicus so be prepared to reset your favorite = settings.
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 cris=20
To: gnome-accessibility-li= st@gnome.org=20
Sent: Thursday, December 18, = 2003 4:23=20 PM
Subject: help with gnome and=20 gnopernicus.

Hi folks,    When I = logged out of=20 the gnome session I had save session checked, I did this several = times. =20 Now, every time I run gnome, I have many coppies running at the same=20 time.  So, everything gnopernicus says, it gets repeated several=20 times.  I can no longer understand what it says because of this=20 problem.  Is there a way of manually deleting those settings and = starting=20 fresh with the command line?  How can I solve this problem?  =
I also want to know where to find a = document that=20 lists the basic screen review commands of gnopernicus, so that I can = read the=20 help files.
Any help would be extremely=20 appreciated.
Cris
------=_NextPart_000_0092_01C3C589.5D3D8490-- From jcf@tpg.com.au Fri Dec 19 07:24:56 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from mail4.tpgi.com.au (mail4.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.61]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF52618481 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 07:24:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from tpg.com.au (220-244-166-219.tpgi.com.au [220.244.166.219]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail4.tpgi.com.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBJCOrfC019213 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 23:24:53 +1100 Message-ID: <3FE2EE16.5050909@tpg.com.au> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 23:24:54 +1100 From: Jeff Franks User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Subject: AtkHyperlink question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, I'm updating the API I use for my Inti C++ ATK binding to ATK 1.5.1 (CVS) and I had a couple of questions. Previously I have wrapped all the class and Iface virtual functions, such as those in AtkHyperlinkClass and AtkTextIface. I'm feel this may be overkill in the wrapping department for the average programmer but I assumed these functions would need to be implemented when adding accessibility support to a custom or new widgets. Is this the case? What is the purpose of the "link_state" function pointer in AtkHyperlink. There doesn't seem to be a corresponding function for it. Thanks, Jeff Franks. From alpuzz@comcast.net Fri Dec 26 14:39:18 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C9C0186E5 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 14:39:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from tecra8100 (bgp01091460bgs.waren401.mi.comcast.net[68.43.185.118]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2003122619391601200r4dt0e>; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 19:39:17 +0000 Message-ID: <002701c3cbe8$46748b40$6900a8c0@waren401.mi.comcast.net> From: "Al Puzzuoli" To: Subject: Problems installing DECTALK Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 14:41:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01C3CBBE.5CEF0960" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C3CBBE.5CEF0960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, I am attempting to set up dec speech on a system running Fedora, and am = encountering a problem. First, i ran the dec installer, and it seemed to install with no = problems. Then, I rebuilt and installed Gnome-speech-0.2.7. When I = configured it, I used the --prefix=3D/usr and --sysconfdir=3D/etc = options. According to configure, both the dec and festival drivers were built, = and when I run test-speech, that fact appears to be confirmed. The = Festival server tests out okay; however, I get the following output if I = attempt to select the dec server: =20 1: OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Dectalk:proto0.2 2: OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Festival:proto0.2 Select a server: 1 Atempting to activate = OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Dectalk:proto0.2. No server selected. Does anyone have any idea what might be going on? Thanks, --Al ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C3CBBE.5CEF0960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all,
I am attempting to set up dec speech on = a system=20 running Fedora, and am encountering a problem.
First, i ran the dec installer, and it = seemed to=20 install with no problems.  Then, I  rebuilt and installed=20 Gnome-speech-0.2.7.  When I configured it, I used the = --prefix=3D/usr and=20 --sysconfdir=3D/etc options.
According to configure, both the dec = and festival=20 drivers were built, and when I run test-speech, that fact appears to be=20 confirmed. The Festival server tests out okay; however, I get the = following=20 output if I attempt to select the dec server: 
 

1: OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Dectalk:proto0.2
2:=20 OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Festival:proto0.2
 
Select a server: 1
Atempting to activate=20 OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Dectalk:proto0.2.
No server=20 selected.
 
Does anyone have any idea what might be going on?
 
Thanks,
 
--Al

 
------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C3CBBE.5CEF0960-- From alpuzz@comcast.net Fri Dec 26 15:10:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2E84182CA for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 15:10:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from tecra8100 (bgp01091460bgs.waren401.mi.comcast.net[68.43.185.118]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2003122620104401600rlupse>; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 20:10:44 +0000 Message-ID: <003a01c3cbec$ab707460$6900a8c0@waren401.mi.comcast.net> From: "Al Puzzuoli" To: References: <002701c3cbe8$46748b40$6900a8c0@waren401.mi.comcast.net> Subject: Re: Please disregard Problems installing DECTALK Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 15:13:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0037_01C3CBC2.C1C960C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C3CBC2.C1C960C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable After poking around some more in the archives, I discovered that I = needed to edit files.sh and set the base dir to /usr before installing = dec. This seems to have done the trick so it looks like i'm on my way. Thanks, ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Al Puzzuoli=20 To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org=20 Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 2:41 PM Subject: Problems installing DECTALK Hello all, I am attempting to set up dec speech on a system running Fedora, and = am encountering a problem. First, i ran the dec installer, and it seemed to install with no = problems. Then, I rebuilt and installed Gnome-speech-0.2.7. When I = configured it, I used the --prefix=3D/usr and --sysconfdir=3D/etc = options. According to configure, both the dec and festival drivers were built, = and when I run test-speech, that fact appears to be confirmed. The = Festival server tests out okay; however, I get the following output if I = attempt to select the dec server: =20 1: OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Dectalk:proto0.2 2: OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Festival:proto0.2 Select a server: 1 Atempting to activate = OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Dectalk:proto0.2. No server selected. Does anyone have any idea what might be going on? Thanks, --Al ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C3CBC2.C1C960C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
After poking around some more in the = archives, I=20 discovered that I needed to edit files.sh and set the base dir to /usr = before=20 installing dec.  This seems to have done the trick so it looks like = i'm on=20 my way.
 
Thanks,
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Al = Puzzuoli=20
To: gnome-accessibility-li= st@gnome.org=20
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 = 2:41=20 PM
Subject: Problems installing=20 DECTALK

Hello all,
I am attempting to set up dec speech = on a system=20 running Fedora, and am encountering a problem.
First, i ran the dec installer, and = it seemed to=20 install with no problems.  Then, I  rebuilt and installed=20 Gnome-speech-0.2.7.  When I configured it, I used the = --prefix=3D/usr and=20 --sysconfdir=3D/etc options.
According to configure, both the dec = and festival=20 drivers were built, and when I run test-speech, that fact appears to = be=20 confirmed. The Festival server tests out okay; however, I get the = following=20 output if I attempt to select the dec server: 
 

1: OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Dectalk:proto0.2
2: = OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Festival:proto0.2
 
Select a server: 1
Atempting to activate=20 OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Dectalk:proto0.2.
No server=20 selected.
 
Does anyone have any idea what might be going on?
 
Thanks,
 
--Al

 
------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C3CBC2.C1C960C0-- From tward1978@earthlink.net Sat Dec 27 01:04:29 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D303189AD for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 01:04:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdn-ap-020ilchicp0474.dialsprint.net ([65.176.201.220] helo=noneflzmskjmuf) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Aa7Ym-000526-00; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 22:04:24 -0800 Message-ID: <00d301c3cc3f$5267b4c0$dcc9b041@noneflzmskjmuf> From: "Tom and Esther Ward" To: "Al Puzzuoli" Cc: References: <002701c3cbe8$46748b40$6900a8c0@waren401.mi.comcast.net> Subject: Re: Problems installing DECTALK Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 01:04:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D0_01C3CC15.68D9F580" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D0_01C3CC15.68D9F580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I had the exact problem on Mandrake 9.2. I fsolved the problem by = copying the Dectalk libs from the Dectalk installer into /usr/lib and = the problem went away. Hth. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Al Puzzuoli=20 To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org=20 Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 2:41 PM Subject: Problems installing DECTALK Hello all, I am attempting to set up dec speech on a system running Fedora, and = am encountering a problem. First, i ran the dec installer, and it seemed to install with no = problems. Then, I rebuilt and installed Gnome-speech-0.2.7. When I = configured it, I used the --prefix=3D/usr and --sysconfdir=3D/etc = options. According to configure, both the dec and festival drivers were built, = and when I run test-speech, that fact appears to be confirmed. The = Festival server tests out okay; however, I get the following output if I = attempt to select the dec server: =20 1: OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Dectalk:proto0.2 2: OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Festival:proto0.2 Select a server: 1 Atempting to activate = OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Dectalk:proto0.2. No server selected. Does anyone have any idea what might be going on? Thanks, --Al =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00D0_01C3CC15.68D9F580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, I had the exact problem on Mandrake = 9.2. I=20 fsolved the problem by copying the Dectalk libs from the Dectalk = installer into=20 /usr/lib and the problem went away.
Hth.
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Al = Puzzuoli=20
To: gnome-accessibility-li= st@gnome.org=20
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 = 2:41=20 PM
Subject: Problems installing=20 DECTALK

Hello all,
I am attempting to set up dec speech = on a system=20 running Fedora, and am encountering a problem.
First, i ran the dec installer, and = it seemed to=20 install with no problems.  Then, I  rebuilt and installed=20 Gnome-speech-0.2.7.  When I configured it, I used the = --prefix=3D/usr and=20 --sysconfdir=3D/etc options.
According to configure, both the dec = and festival=20 drivers were built, and when I run test-speech, that fact appears to = be=20 confirmed. The Festival server tests out okay; however, I get the = following=20 output if I attempt to select the dec server: 
 

1: OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Dectalk:proto0.2
2: = OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Festival:proto0.2
 
Select a server: 1
Atempting to activate=20 OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Dectalk:proto0.2.
No server=20 selected.
 
Does anyone have any idea what might be going on?
 
Thanks,
 
--Al

 
------=_NextPart_000_00D0_01C3CC15.68D9F580-- From lists@digitaldarragh.com Tue Dec 30 13:47:05 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.secure-ssl-server.us (mail.secure-ssl-server.us [212.17.38.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BE2E18B04 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 13:47:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from D ([193.203.157.196]) by mail.secure-ssl-server.us (Merak 6.0.8) with ASMTP id FF8D6A80 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:47:05 -0000 Message-ID: <00de01c3cf05$4f888900$0301a8c0@D> From: "Darragh" To: Subject: Gnopernicus wasn't installed Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:47:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C3CF05.4F519A80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C3CF05.4F519A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, Can any one tall me how to get gnopernicus and the associated programs = installed? I'm Running a new installation of Mandrake 9.2=20 Any help appreciated. I'm also looking for information on installing festivle. Darragh -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------------------------------- Why do we spend more time troubleshooting our systems than = actually using them? =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------------------------------- ------=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C3CF05.4F519A80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all,
Can any one tall me how to get = gnopernicus and the=20 associated programs installed?
 
I'm Running a new installation of = Mandrake 9.2=20
 
Any help appreciated.
 
I'm also looking for information on = installing=20 festivle.
 
 
Darragh
----------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------------------------------<= BR>     =20 Why do we spend more time troubleshooting our systems than actually = using=20 them?       =20
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------=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C3CF05.4F519A80-- From nath.ml@free.fr Tue Dec 30 15:35:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from postfix3-1.free.fr (postfix3-1.free.fr [213.228.0.44]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76E8C185FF for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 15:35:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from spy.home (lns-th2-15-82-64-236-218.adsl.proxad.net [82.64.236.218]) by postfix3-1.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28260C41F1; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 21:35:36 +0100 (CET) To: "Darragh" Cc: Subject: Re: Gnopernicus wasn't installed References: <00de01c3cf05$4f888900$0301a8c0@D> From: Nath Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:35:54 +0100 In-Reply-To: <00de01c3cf05$4f888900$0301a8c0@D> (lists@digitaldarragh.com's message of "Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:47:00 -0000") Message-ID: <873cb2gf9h.fsf@spy.home> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I saw a few days ago that Mdk 9.2 has Gnopernicus included as an rpm package. so if it is not installed, try to find it and install it as you install a normal .rpm package. sorry not to be able to tell you more about this but I'm on Debian ... "Darragh" writes: > Hello all, > > Can any one tall me how to get gnopernicus and the associated programs > installed? > >   > > I'm Running a new installation of Mandrake 9.2 > >   > > Any help appreciated. > >   > > I'm also looking for information on installing festivle. > >   > >   > > Darragh > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >       Why do we spend more time troubleshooting our systems than actually > using them?        > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Nath From tward1978@earthlink.net Tue Dec 30 22:54:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 248D0187F4 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:54:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdn-ap-020ilchicp0202.dialsprint.net ([65.176.200.202] helo=noneflzmskjmuf) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AbXR1-0005dB-00; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 19:54:16 -0800 Message-ID: <01ef01c3cf51$c5365a00$cac8b041@noneflzmskjmuf> From: "Tom and Esther Ward" To: "Darragh" Cc: References: <00de01c3cf05$4f888900$0301a8c0@D> Subject: Re: Gnopernicus wasn't installed Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:54:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01EC_01C3CF27.D9A354E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01EC_01C3CF27.D9A354E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, Darragh. I've got some good news and bad news for you, but this is very easy to = fix. The powerpack eddition that you can purchase includes gnopernicus, = but the free iso images do not from what I can tell. I can do one of = two things. If you would like I can email you the gnopernicus rpms = directly from the Powerpack cd's that I baught, or I can point you to = some Mandrake ftp sites whwith a list of rpms to download. Mandrake does offer the gnopernicus rpms on places like planetmirror.com = and sourceforge.com, and i can certainly tell you which files you need = to download, or I can simply email them to you. Hth. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Darragh=20 To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 1:47 PM Subject: Gnopernicus wasn't installed Hello all, Can any one tall me how to get gnopernicus and the associated programs = installed? I'm Running a new installation of Mandrake 9.2=20 Any help appreciated. I'm also looking for information on installing festivle. Darragh = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------------------------------- Why do we spend more time troubleshooting our systems than = actually using them? =20 = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------------------------------- ------=_NextPart_000_01EC_01C3CF27.D9A354E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello, Darragh.
I've got some good news and bad news = for you, but=20 this is very easy to fix.  The powerpack eddition that you can = purchase=20 includes gnopernicus, but the free iso images do not from what I can = tell. =20 I can do one of two things. If you would like I can email you the = gnopernicus=20 rpms directly from the Powerpack cd's that I baught, or I can point you = to some=20 Mandrake ftp sites whwith a list of rpms to download.
Mandrake does offer the gnopernicus = rpms on places=20 like planetmirror.com and sourceforge.com, and i can certainly tell you = which=20 files you need to download, or I can simply email them to = you.
Hth.
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Darragh
To: gnome-accessibility-li= st@gnome.org=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, = 2003 1:47=20 PM
Subject: Gnopernicus wasn't=20 installed

Hello all,
Can any one tall me how to get = gnopernicus and=20 the associated programs installed?
 
I'm Running a new installation of = Mandrake 9.2=20
 
Any help appreciated.
 
I'm also looking for information on = installing=20 festivle.
 
 
Darragh
----------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------------------------------<= BR>     =20 Why do we spend more time troubleshooting our systems than actually = using=20 them?       =20 =
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------=_NextPart_000_01EC_01C3CF27.D9A354E0-- From linux@bytebot.net Tue Dec 30 23:32:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from chop.phpwebhosting.com (chop.phpwebhosting.com [66.132.134.9]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 00242186F3 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 23:32:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 18628 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 04:32:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO 6-allhosts) (219.95.201.66) by chop.phpwebhosting.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 04:32:22 -0000 Subject: Gnopernicus and Fedora Core 1 From: Colin Charles Reply-To: byte@bytebot.net To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: ByteBot.net Message-Id: <1072845142.29149.17.camel@hermione> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 12:32:23 +0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, Has anyone tried this combination? I did a "yum install gnopernicus". It installed. Ran fine[1] for a while, crashes now. [1] - fine meaning I couldn't hear any voice output, but at least the program started up. What are my options? Thanks -- Colin Charles, byte@aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ From linux@bytebot.net Wed Dec 31 02:21:56 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from chop.phpwebhosting.com (chop.phpwebhosting.com [66.132.134.9]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 830EC183DA for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 02:21:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10207 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 07:21:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO 6-allhosts) (219.95.201.66) by chop.phpwebhosting.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 07:21:53 -0000 Subject: Re: Gnopernicus and Fedora Core 1 From: Colin Charles Reply-To: byte@bytebot.net To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1072845142.29149.17.camel@hermione> References: <1072845142.29149.17.camel@hermione> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: ByteBot.net Message-Id: <1072855314.29100.25.camel@hermione> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 15:21:54 +0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, 2003-12-31 at 12:32, Colin Charles wrote: > I did a "yum install gnopernicus". It installed. Ran fine[1] for a > while, crashes now. Solved by installing festival. Is there any better text-to-speech software out there? Thanks. -- Colin Charles, byte@aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ From d@digitaldarragh.com Tue Dec 30 13:40:58 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.secure-ssl-server.us (mail.secure-ssl-server.us [212.17.38.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 385A718B5B for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 13:40:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from D ([193.203.157.196]) by mail.secure-ssl-server.us (Merak 6.0.8) with ASMTP id FF8D6A80 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:40:56 -0000 Message-ID: <00c701c3cf04$73cbf0f0$0301a8c0@D> From: "Darragh" To: Subject: Gnopernicus wasn't installed Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:40:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C4_01C3CF04.7392B880" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Sender: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-accessibility-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: GNOME accessibility development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C4_01C3CF04.7392B880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, Can any one tall me how to get gnopernicus and the associated programs = installed? I'm Running a new installation of Mandrake 9.2=20 Any help appreciated. I'm also looking for information on installing festivle. Darragh -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------------------------------- Why do we spend more time troubleshooting our systems than = actually using them? =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------------------------------- ------=_NextPart_000_00C4_01C3CF04.7392B880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all,
Can any one tall me how to get = gnopernicus and the=20 associated programs installed?
 
I'm Running a new installation of = Mandrake 9.2=20
 
Any help appreciated.
 
I'm also looking for information on = installing=20 festivle.
 
 
Darragh
----------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------------------------------<= BR>     =20 Why do we spend more time troubleshooting our systems than actually = using=20 them?       =20
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