From swgithen at mtu.edu Fri Nov 2 16:32:49 2012 From: swgithen at mtu.edu (Steven Githens) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 12:32:49 -0400 Subject: [Geary] Testing Geary Threads Message-ID: <5093F5B1.8020108@mtu.edu> Hi all, First, THANK YOU, I'm really excited about this project, and hope I can help out a bit here and there even if it's just testing. Concerning testing whether a conversation thread is being displayed appropriately, would it be safe to assume that the messages involved should be displaying in the same order as what they would be using the Gmail Webapp? Like if I have: User1 Sent Email User2 Replied User1 Sent Reply User1 Sent 2nd Reply Right now some of my replies aren't showing up in the conversation thread, whereas in Gmail all 4 appear in that order. Anyways, for the sake of QA, should they essentially mirror Gmail conversation order? I'm running against master, and am planning on fetch/merging regularly. Cheers to the Max! Steve From eric at yorba.org Fri Nov 2 18:27:45 2012 From: eric at yorba.org (Eric Gregory) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 18:20:45 -0007 Subject: [Geary] Testing Geary Threads In-Reply-To: <5093F5B1.8020108@mtu.edu> References: <5093F5B1.8020108@mtu.edu> Message-ID: <50941098.c211700a.6058.ffffd483@mx.google.com> On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 9:32 AM, Steven Githens wrote: Hi all, First, THANK YOU, I'm really excited about this project, and hope I can help out a bit here and there even if it's just testing. Concerning testing whether a conversation thread is being displayed appropriately, would it be safe to assume that the messages involved should be displaying in the same order as what they would be using the Gmail Webapp? Like if I have: User1 Sent Email User2 Replied User1 Sent Reply User1 Sent 2nd Reply Right now some of my replies aren't showing up in the conversation thread, whereas in Gmail all 4 appear in that order. Anyways, for the sake of QA, should they essentially mirror Gmail conversation order? I'm running against master, and am planning on fetch/merging regularly. Cheers to the Max! Steve? Hi Steve, Great to hear Geary you're excited about Geary! ?So are we, but as you've seen there are many features we haven't implemented yet. Currently Geary does not show sent messages as part of an email thread. ?That's something we have planned for the future. It's ticketed here: http://redmine.yorba.org/issues/4293 The more detailed answer is that Gmail's web interface has a slightly different threading model than standard IMAP. ?When you send a message on Gmail, it places the message into the "Sent Mail" IMAP folder, but not the "Inbox" IMAP folder. ?Today, Geary only displays messages in the given folder you have selected, but won't pull messages from other folders. ?This is in contrast to Gmail's web interface, which shows every message in a thread regardless as to which folder it's in. I hope that explanation makes sense. Please do let us know of any issues you find as you continue testing Geary. ?Thanks! ?- Eric From swgithen at mtu.edu Fri Nov 2 18:51:23 2012 From: swgithen at mtu.edu (Steven Githens) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 14:51:23 -0400 Subject: [Geary] Testing Geary Threads In-Reply-To: <50941098.c211700a.6058.ffffd483@mx.google.com> References: <5093F5B1.8020108@mtu.edu> <50941098.c211700a.6058.ffffd483@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5094162B.8060507@mtu.edu> On 11/02/2012 02:27 PM, Eric Gregory wrote: > > Hi Steve, > > Great to hear Geary you're excited about Geary! So are we, but as > you've seen there are many features we haven't implemented yet. > > Currently Geary does not show sent messages as part of an email > thread. That's something we have planned for the future. It's > ticketed here: > http://redmine.yorba.org/issues/4293 > > The more detailed answer is that Gmail's web interface has a slightly > different threading model than standard IMAP. When you send a message > on Gmail, it places the message into the "Sent Mail" IMAP folder, but > not the "Inbox" IMAP folder. Today, Geary only displays messages in > the given folder you have selected, but won't pull messages from other > folders. This is in contrast to Gmail's web interface, which shows > every message in a thread regardless as to which folder it's in. > > I hope that explanation makes sense. Yup, great, and thanks for the link to the ticket. > > Please do let us know of any issues you find as you continue testing > Geary. Thanks! I will! One more question I do have, is how likely master geary from git would be to cause any damage to my IMAP mail on the server. I'd like to try hooking it up to my actual emails accounts with lots of messages (one is gmail based which I know is better supported, the other is exchange based) I'm Ok with the idea of things getting mucked up on the local geary sqlite database, but would rather not break things on the server if geary's IMAP calls are still considered unstable enough to mess things up. I mean, I understand there is always a chance of that happening, and am Ok with that, I'm just wondering how likely that would be with geary's current master branch. Thanks! Steve > > - Eric From jim at yorba.org Mon Nov 5 20:42:20 2012 From: jim at yorba.org (Jim Nelson) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 20:34:20 -0008 Subject: [Geary] Testing Geary Threads In-Reply-To: <5094162B.8060507@mtu.edu> References: <5093F5B1.8020108@mtu.edu> <50941098.c211700a.6058.ffffd483@mx.google.com> <5094162B.8060507@mtu.edu> Message-ID: <509824ae.49eb440a.3492.fffff4ef@mx.google.com> So far we haven't seen any bugs that cause information to be destroyed or lost on the server. The one caveat is that Archive only works with Gmail; for Yahoo and generic IMAP servers (i.e. Dovecot), the Archive button turns into a Delete button, and it will indeed delete your email if pressed. (No confirmation, no undo, although the latter is planned for: http://redmine.yorba.org/issues/3706). I use Geary every day, although the lack of certain features (notably multiple accounts) is inconvenient. ?We plan on attacking these and more in 0.3. -- Jim On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Steven Githens wrote: On 11/02/2012 02:27 PM, Eric Gregory wrote: > > Hi Steve, > > Great to hear Geary you're excited about Geary! So are we, but as you've seen there are many features we haven't implemented yet. > > Currently Geary does not show sent messages as part of an email thread. That's something we have planned for the future. It's ticketed here: > http://redmine.yorba.org/issues/4293 > > The more detailed answer is that Gmail's web interface has a slightly different threading model than standard IMAP. When you send a message on Gmail, it places the message into the "Sent Mail" IMAP folder, but not the "Inbox" IMAP folder. Today, Geary only displays messages in the given folder you have selected, but won't pull messages from other folders. This is in contrast to Gmail's web interface, which shows every message in a thread regardless as to which folder it's in. > > I hope that explanation makes sense. Yup, great, and thanks for the link to the ticket. > > Please do let us know of any issues you find as you continue testing Geary. Thanks! I will! One more question I do have, is how likely master geary from git would be to cause any damage to my IMAP mail on the server. I'd like to try hooking it up to my actual emails accounts with lots of messages (one is gmail based which I know is better supported, the other is exchange based) I'm Ok with the idea of things getting mucked up on the local geary sqlite database, but would rather not break things on the server if geary's IMAP calls are still considered unstable enough to mess things up. I mean, I understand there is always a chance of that happening, and am Ok with that, I'm just wondering how likely that would be with geary's current master branch. Thanks! Steve > > - Eric _______________________________________________ Geary mailing list Geary at lists.yorba.org http://lists.yorba.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geary From swgithen at mtu.edu Tue Nov 6 17:59:29 2012 From: swgithen at mtu.edu (Steven Githens) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 17:54:29 -0005 Subject: [Geary] Testing Geary Threads In-Reply-To: <509824ae.49eb440a.3492.fffff4ef@mx.google.com> References: <5093F5B1.8020108@mtu.edu> <50941098.c211700a.6058.ffffd483@mx.google.com> <5094162B.8060507@mtu.edu> <509824ae.49eb440a.3492.fffff4ef@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <50995002.a657320a.5027.76a4@mx.google.com> Sounds good! ?I've switched my main personal email over to Geary from Thunderbird, and will just sort of keep gmail open for when I need to use the Search. Thanks! Steve -- sent from Geary On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Jim Nelson wrote: So far we haven't seen any bugs that cause information to be destroyed or lost on the server. The one caveat is that Archive only works with Gmail; for Yahoo and generic IMAP servers (i.e. Dovecot), the Archive button turns into a Delete button, and it will indeed delete your email if pressed. (No confirmation, no undo, although the latter is planned for: http://redmine.yorba.org/issues/3706). I use Geary every day, although the lack of certain features (notably multiple accounts) is inconvenient. ?We plan on attacking these and more in 0.3. -- Jim On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Steven Githens wrote: On 11/02/2012 02:27 PM, Eric Gregory wrote: > > Hi Steve, > > Great to hear Geary you're excited about Geary! So are we, but as you've seen there are many features we haven't implemented yet. > > Currently Geary does not show sent messages as part of an email thread. That's something we have planned for the future. It's ticketed here: > http://redmine.yorba.org/issues/4293 > > The more detailed answer is that Gmail's web interface has a slightly different threading model than standard IMAP. When you send a message on Gmail, it places the message into the "Sent Mail" IMAP folder, but not the "Inbox" IMAP folder. Today, Geary only displays messages in the given folder you have selected, but won't pull messages from other folders. This is in contrast to Gmail's web interface, which shows every message in a thread regardless as to which folder it's in. > > I hope that explanation makes sense. Yup, great, and thanks for the link to the ticket. > > Please do let us know of any issues you find as you continue testing Geary. Thanks! I will! One more question I do have, is how likely master geary from git would be to cause any damage to my IMAP mail on the server. I'd like to try hooking it up to my actual emails accounts with lots of messages (one is gmail based which I know is better supported, the other is exchange based) I'm Ok with the idea of things getting mucked up on the local geary sqlite database, but would rather not break things on the server if geary's IMAP calls are still considered unstable enough to mess things up. I mean, I understand there is always a chance of that happening, and am Ok with that, I'm just wondering how likely that would be with geary's current master branch. Thanks! Steve > > - Eric _______________________________________________ Geary mailing list Geary at lists.yorba.org http://lists.yorba.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geary From swgithen at mtu.edu Wed Nov 7 16:45:41 2012 From: swgithen at mtu.edu (Steven Githens) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 16:40:41 -0005 Subject: [Geary] Testing Geary Threads In-Reply-To: <509824ae.49eb440a.3492.fffff4ef@mx.google.com> References: <5093F5B1.8020108@mtu.edu> <50941098.c211700a.6058.ffffd483@mx.google.com> <5094162B.8060507@mtu.edu> <509824ae.49eb440a.3492.fffff4ef@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <509a903c.82c0320a.2d40.6aa1@mx.google.com> Also, I apologize for spamming this to the list, but I suppose it is interesting in the use cases of building email clients. I need to someone to either fix, or remove my redmine account so I can create it again with this email address. I think the problem went as follows: 1. I requested an account on redmine.yorba.org 2. I found out later that it went to my spam folder in gmail... and I forgot about it. 3. Several days later, I went back to the redmine and wanted to comment on something, seeing that I didn't have the password in my keystore yet, I went to reset my password. 4. Upon receiving the change password email, I went and changed it, but can never log in after wards. I feel like maybe it got messed up because I tried to change my password before clicking the link to activate my account. Anyways, apologies for the hassle, but I'd love to contribute, and maybe try to take a non-critical small ticket to get familier with things. Thanks! Steve On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Jim Nelson wrote: So far we haven't seen any bugs that cause information to be destroyed or lost on the server. The one caveat is that Archive only works with Gmail; for Yahoo and generic IMAP servers (i.e. Dovecot), the Archive button turns into a Delete button, and it will indeed delete your email if pressed. (No confirmation, no undo, although the latter is planned for: http://redmine.yorba.org/issues/3706). I use Geary every day, although the lack of certain features (notably multiple accounts) is inconvenient. ?We plan on attacking these and more in 0.3. -- Jim On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Steven Githens wrote: On 11/02/2012 02:27 PM, Eric Gregory wrote: > > Hi Steve, > > Great to hear Geary you're excited about Geary! So are we, but as you've seen there are many features we haven't implemented yet. > > Currently Geary does not show sent messages as part of an email thread. That's something we have planned for the future. It's ticketed here: > http://redmine.yorba.org/issues/4293 > > The more detailed answer is that Gmail's web interface has a slightly different threading model than standard IMAP. When you send a message on Gmail, it places the message into the "Sent Mail" IMAP folder, but not the "Inbox" IMAP folder. Today, Geary only displays messages in the given folder you have selected, but won't pull messages from other folders. This is in contrast to Gmail's web interface, which shows every message in a thread regardless as to which folder it's in. > > I hope that explanation makes sense. Yup, great, and thanks for the link to the ticket. > > Please do let us know of any issues you find as you continue testing Geary. Thanks! I will! One more question I do have, is how likely master geary from git would be to cause any damage to my IMAP mail on the server. I'd like to try hooking it up to my actual emails accounts with lots of messages (one is gmail based which I know is better supported, the other is exchange based) I'm Ok with the idea of things getting mucked up on the local geary sqlite database, but would rather not break things on the server if geary's IMAP calls are still considered unstable enough to mess things up. I mean, I understand there is always a chance of that happening, and am Ok with that, I'm just wondering how likely that would be with geary's current master branch. Thanks! Steve > > - Eric _______________________________________________ Geary mailing list Geary at lists.yorba.org http://lists.yorba.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geary From ryanlerch at gmail.com Mon Nov 12 16:04:34 2012 From: ryanlerch at gmail.com (ryan lerch) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 15:59:34 -0005 Subject: [Geary] Email Refresh issue Message-ID: <50a11e14.ccf0340a.2f92.1267@mx.google.com> HI, I have noticed an issue i am having with geary, and just wanted to check if anyone else was encoutering this. I have a filter on a mailing list in Gmail that skips the inbox, and attaches a label. I can easily view the emails from that list if i click on the label in geary, under "Labels" in the left hand Pane. However, i am getting weird behaviour if i click on a certain discussion, say with 50 messages. Then go back to my inbox, and after some time go back to the label again and more messages have come through on that particular discussion. The discussion re-loads as geary seems to remember that i last had that discussion selected (and depending on the size of the thread, takes a while), but only appears to have the messages that were previously in the discussion, not the new one. (despite the counter in the middle pane showing more messages in the discussion than before.) To load all the messages, i work around it by clicking on other discussion, then back to the discussion that i want, and the messages load as expected. Sorry for the long-winded explanation, i hope i have been clear enough :) is anyone else hitting this issue? is this expected behavior? cheers, ryanlerch From jim at yorba.org Tue Nov 13 23:26:04 2012 From: jim at yorba.org (Jim Nelson) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 23:18:04 -0008 Subject: [Geary] Email Refresh issue In-Reply-To: <50a11e14.ccf0340a.2f92.1267@mx.google.com> References: <50a11e14.ccf0340a.2f92.1267@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <50a2d711.a857420a.0bbf.fffffea1@mx.google.com> It could be that it's taking Geary longer than you expect to load the messages for the Inbox. ?We have a ticket about Geary reporting messages as available before they're fully downloaded (http://redmine.yorba.org/issues/5577). ?Also, Geary allows you to read messages that are downloaded while it's downloading new messages. ?It could take a few seconds to download them and sort them in the conversation. You say you have to click away and return to see them. ?The next time this happens, could you wait a few more seconds to see if they show up? ?I ask because in Geary 0.3 we want to be more aggressive about pulling messages from the server so they're ready before selecting the folder. ?This would be one use case where this strategy would help you. -- Jim On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 8:04 AM, ryan lerch wrote: HI, I have noticed an issue i am having with geary, and just wanted to check if anyone else was encoutering this. I have a filter on a mailing list in Gmail that skips the inbox, and attaches a label. I can easily view the emails from that list if i click on the label in geary, under "Labels" in the left hand Pane. However, i am getting weird behaviour if i click on a certain discussion, say with 50 messages. Then go back to my inbox, and after some time go back to the label again and more messages have come through on that particular discussion. The discussion re-loads as geary seems to remember that i last had that discussion selected (and depending on the size of the thread, takes a while), but only appears to have the messages that were previously in the discussion, not the new one. (despite the counter in the middle pane showing more messages in the discussion than before.) To load all the messages, i work around it by clicking on other discussion, then back to the discussion that i want, and the messages load as expected. Sorry for the long-winded explanation, i hope i have been clear enough :) is anyone else hitting this issue? is this expected behavior? cheers, ryanlerch _______________________________________________ Geary mailing list Geary at lists.yorba.org http://lists.yorba.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geary From swgithen at mtu.edu Fri Nov 16 18:26:57 2012 From: swgithen at mtu.edu (Steven Githens) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 18:21:57 -0005 Subject: [Geary] Top level menus Message-ID: <50a68573.83b7320a.294c.2969@mx.google.com> Hi Geary, This is a little silly, but I just wanted to ask, does Geary have any top bar pull down menus? ?I don't see any (which is fine), but I just to make sure it doesn't have any, and it's not a bug with Unity (Ubuntu 12.10) and somehow they aren't being moved to the top of the screen (like OS X style) as in other applications. Thanks! Steve From eric at yorba.org Fri Nov 16 18:43:10 2012 From: eric at yorba.org (Eric Gregory) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 10:43:10 -0800 Subject: [Geary] Top level menus In-Reply-To: <50a68573.83b7320a.294c.2969@mx.google.com> References: <50a68573.83b7320a.294c.2969@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <2B078390-D24B-4E30-A78B-B1504E9785EA@yorba.org> On Nov 16, 2012, at 10:26 AM, Steven Githens wrote: > Hi Geary, > > This is a little silly, but I just wanted to ask, does Geary have any top bar pull down menus? I don't see any (which is fine), but I just to make sure it doesn't have any, and it's not a bug with Unity (Ubuntu 12.10) and somehow they aren't being moved to the top of the screen (like OS X style) as in other applications. > > Thanks! > Steve Hi Steve, Nope, Geary doesn't have a menu bar. All the options are in the toolbar. - Eric From jim at yorba.org Fri Nov 16 18:47:28 2012 From: jim at yorba.org (Jim Nelson) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 18:39:28 -0008 Subject: [Geary] Top level menus In-Reply-To: <2B078390-D24B-4E30-A78B-B1504E9785EA@yorba.org> References: <50a68573.83b7320a.294c.2969@mx.google.com> <2B078390-D24B-4E30-A78B-B1504E9785EA@yorba.org> Message-ID: <50a68a41.844f420a.5676.ffff8407@mx.google.com> Also check Gear Menu -> Help for keyboard shortcuts. -- Jim On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Eric Gregory wrote: On Nov 16, 2012, at 10:26 AM, Steven Githens wrote: > Hi Geary, > > This is a little silly, but I just wanted to ask, does Geary have any top bar pull down menus? I don't see any (which is fine), but I just to make sure it doesn't have any, and it's not a bug with Unity (Ubuntu 12.10) and somehow they aren't being moved to the top of the screen (like OS X style) as in other applications. > > Thanks! > Steve Hi Steve, Nope, Geary doesn't have a menu bar. All the options are in the toolbar. - Eric _______________________________________________ Geary mailing list Geary at lists.yorba.org http://lists.yorba.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geary From rafael.n.azevedo at gmail.com Tue Nov 27 18:38:06 2012 From: rafael.n.azevedo at gmail.com (Rafael Nogueira de Azevedo) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 18:36:06 -0002 Subject: [Geary] Geary as default email client Message-ID: <50b50892.9111e00a.1b36.5d6b@mx.google.com> good morning; how can i setup geary to be the default email client thanks From jim at yorba.org Tue Nov 27 19:22:15 2012 From: jim at yorba.org (Jim Nelson) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 19:14:15 -0008 Subject: [Geary] Geary as default email client In-Reply-To: <50b50892.9111e00a.1b36.5d6b@mx.google.com> References: <50b50892.9111e00a.1b36.5d6b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <50b512e8.a3c9440a.2723.757e@mx.google.com> It depends on your distribution, but it's more or less like this: System Settings -> Details -> Default Applications If Geary is installed properly, you'll see it in the drop-down list next to Mail. -- Jim On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Rafael Nogueira de Azevedo wrote: good morning; how can i setup geary to be the default email client thanks _______________________________________________ Geary mailing list Geary at lists.yorba.org http://lists.yorba.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geary From rafael.n.azevedo at gmail.com Wed Nov 28 00:49:20 2012 From: rafael.n.azevedo at gmail.com (Rafael Nogueira de Azevedo) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 00:47:20 -0002 Subject: [Geary] Show images Message-ID: <50b55fa3.e719310a.5405.6af9@mx.google.com> good night; any way to set default show image ? From jim at yorba.org Wed Nov 28 01:33:54 2012 From: jim at yorba.org (Jim Nelson) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 01:25:54 -0008 Subject: [Geary] Show images In-Reply-To: <50b55fa3.e719310a.5405.6af9@mx.google.com> References: <50b55fa3.e719310a.5405.6af9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <50b56a03.6584440a.1030.ffff8a06@mx.google.com> This is planned for 0.3: http://redmine.yorba.org/issues/5642 -- Jim On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Rafael Nogueira de Azevedo wrote: good night; any way to set default show image ? _______________________________________________ Geary mailing list Geary at lists.yorba.org http://lists.yorba.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geary From rafael.n.azevedo at gmail.com Wed Nov 28 01:56:28 2012 From: rafael.n.azevedo at gmail.com (Rafael Azevedo) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 23:56:28 -0200 Subject: [Geary] Show images In-Reply-To: <50b56a03.6584440a.1030.ffff8a06@mx.google.com> References: <50b55fa3.e719310a.5405.6af9@mx.google.com> <50b56a03.6584440a.1030.ffff8a06@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <3739897019414980720@unknownmsgid> Right thanks Enviado via iPhone 022 9104-5964 Em 27/11/2012, ?s 23:33, Jim Nelson escreveu: This is planned for 0.3: http://redmine.yorba.org/issues/5642 -- Jim On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Rafael Nogueira de Azevedo < rafael.n.azevedo at gmail.com> wrote: good night; any way to set default show image ? _______________________________________________ Geary mailing list Geary at lists.yorba.org http://lists.yorba.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geary From jim at yorba.org Fri Nov 30 02:18:58 2012 From: jim at yorba.org (Jim Nelson) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 02:10:58 -0008 Subject: [Geary] The state of Shotwell and Geary Message-ID: <50b81790.e38a440a.75e9.ffffb9f7@mx.google.com> Hello all, Recent messages on the Shotwell mailing list have made inquiries about a slowing of the pace of development of the project. ?Looking at the Geary commit log, you would see a similar dimming of activity. ?We also have several outstanding unreviewed patches for both projects. ?We acknowledge this situation and want to let you know that we don't like it any more than you do. However, the situation isn't permanent. ?Yorba currently has a work commitment it must meet which has impacted development of our other projects. ?I can't go into the details of the commitment, but the good news is that it ultimately helps Yorba further development of Shotwell and Geary. We are already planning the next releases of both projects. ?For Shotwell 0.14, we want to focus on: * Improving the photo import experience * Fixing several outstanding RAW image bugs * Working better with the filesystem, including an option to store fully-transformed images on disk without destroying your originals * Adding a folder tree to the sidebar (indicating where photos are stored on your hard disk) For Geary, we plan on turning our attention to: * Multiple user accounts * Email search * Better support for non-Gmail/Yahoo servers (in particular, Dovecot) * Mail notifications even when Geary isn't running Other features, bug fixes, and stabilization work are planned as well. ?For more fine-grained information, see Yorba's Redmine server at http://redmine.yorba.org/ Unfortunately I can't promise when this work will begin. ?The commitment I mentioned must be satisfied and we're working diligently to complete it. ?All I can ask from our community is some patience and to know that we fully intend to return to both projects shortly. -- Jim Nelson Yorba Foundation