From rudye@einsteinseyes.com Tue Oct 1 00:09:50 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.eisnoc.net (unknown [65.57.233.66]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AEB36180F5 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 00:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 21794 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2002 04:09:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO OddTodd) (12.237.131.22) by eishost.net with SMTP; 1 Oct 2002 04:09:40 -0000 Message-ID: <000c01c26900$5efcfdb0$1683ed0c@OddTodd> From: "Rudye McGlothlin" To: Subject: Intro and Questions Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 23:09:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C268D6.75434C70" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C268D6.75434C70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Everybody, I was really excited to find Dia. So, I'd like to do my part to help = with the development. In particular, I'd like to help with the Windows version and the ER = palette. Who should I talk to and what suggests do people have for = getting involved? Also, where can I get more information about how the = XML document is formed after making a diagram with the ER palette? I'd = like to be able to write a schema to convert the Dia produced file to a = schema for a MySQL database. Thanks, Rudye ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C268D6.75434C70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Everybody,
 
I was really excited to find Dia.  = So, I'd=20 like to do my part to help with the development.
 
In particular, I'd like to help with = the Windows=20 version and the ER palette.  Who should I talk to and what suggests = do=20 people have for getting involved?  Also, where can I get more = information=20 about how the XML document is formed after making a diagram with the ER=20 palette?  I'd like to be able to write a schema to convert the Dia = produced=20 file to a schema for a MySQL database.
 
Thanks,
Rudye
 
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C268D6.75434C70-- From lrclause@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu Tue Oct 1 00:30:09 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (shasta.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.246.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BA30189DF for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 00:30:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id g914U8M0012292 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 23:30:08 -0500 Received: (from lrclause@localhost) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) id g914U8rW012288; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 23:30:08 -0500 Subject: Re: Intro and Questions To: dia-list@gnome.org References: <000c01c26900$5efcfdb0$1683ed0c@OddTodd> From: Lars Clausen Date: 30 Sep 2002 23:30:08 -0500 In-Reply-To: <000c01c26900$5efcfdb0$1683ed0c@OddTodd> Message-ID: <811y7aaii7.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Lines: 43 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, Rudye McGlothlin wrote: > Hello Everybody, >=20 > I was really excited to find Dia. So, I'd like to do my part to help > with the development. That's great! We can always use more people. > In particular, I'd like to help with the Windows version and the ER > palette. Who should I talk to and what suggests do people have for > getting involved?=20 The first step would be to compile Dia. Since you're on Windows, it's a little more involved than just autogen&&make. Steffan Macke and Hans Breuer may be able to help you (and a log of your efforts would be appreciated). Compiling off the CVS may be a bit more complicated, as some of the dependencies are fairly new, but there's been some changes in the transition to GTK 2.0 that make it difficult to take patches for the 0.90 sources.=20 > Also, where can I get more information about how the > XML document is formed after making a diagram with the ER palette?=20=20 Apart from the DTD, there is little documentation on the XML format. I have some notes I'm going to put on the TWiki . > I'd > like to be able to write a schema to convert the Dia produced file to a > schema for a MySQL database. For this, I suggest you look at Tedia2SQL or the other SQL-generating programs listed on the Dia site. That particular wheel has been reinvented many times.=20 -Lars --=20 Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| H=E5rdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |------------------------= ---- will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbas= ket? From Tim.Ellis@gamet.com Tue Oct 1 01:58:18 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from linuxmail.lgsinc.com (unknown [12.22.4.163]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF441180F5 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 01:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from timetop (IDENT:OjZgVWTIDxgfubzwT+jJk/LMfqDPTe6o@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by linuxmail.lgsinc.com (8.11.6/8.8.7) with SMTP id g915wNS13168; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:58:23 -0700 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:58:33 -0700 From: Tim Ellis To: dia-list@gnome.org Cc: rudye@einsteinseyes.com Subject: Re: Intro and Questions -- (SQL Generation) Message-Id: <20020930225833.78b5fd82.Tim.Ellis@gamet.com> In-Reply-To: <811y7aaii7.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> References: <000c01c26900$5efcfdb0$1683ed0c@OddTodd> <811y7aaii7.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Organization: Gamet X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i586-mandrake-linux-gnu) X-WerdupHomey: 3.14159265358979323 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > > I'd > > like to be able to write a schema to convert the Dia produced file to > > a schema for a MySQL database. > > For this, I suggest you look at Tedia2SQL > or the other SQL-generating programs > listed on the Dia site. That particular wheel has been reinvented many > times. The biggest need for tedia2sql is a Dia modification and perhaps you can help us with this, Rudye. We do not use the ER shapeset, but the UML shapeset, which although contains a very large subsection of options needed for ER diagramming, doesn't contain them all, and has some arbitrary (arguably, STUPID) substitutions. To get an idea of the hoops you have to jump through, read the tedia2sql documentation. To get an idea of proposed solutions, see the tedia2sql mailing list. Great example: to define a column as being a member of the primary key, you set a class attribute to be PRIVATE (DBAs should now say "WTF?") What is VERY MUCH desired is a new shapeset using the Dia StdProps method of creating a shapeset w/ dialogues. The documentation for this is currently in flux at http://faemalia.org/wiki/view/Technical/DiaEditor. If a new ERD shapeset could be created specifically for ER diagrams, then we could fix a few of the fundamental flaws of tedia2sql and allow to create ER diagrams for more databases with a lot less wierd if/else logic in our SQL generator script. I suppose now is as good a time as any to mention that tedia2sql just this weekend got some patches to support MySQL InnoDB. Now tedia2sql will support PostgreSQL, Sybase, Oracle, DB2, Ingres, and MySQL. It is hypothesised that it also supports MS-SQL Server, but this is uncertain ;) The patches are in CVS version of tedia2sql, but the current output contains known errors (and known fixes) which I need to get into CVS. I expect to do this sometime this week, unless someone patches it for me earlier :) As usual, the wonderous list of links! tedia2sql: http://tedia2sql.tigris.org screenshots: http://tedia2sql.tigris.org/sampleImages/BigERD.png http://tedia2sql.tigris.org/sampleImages/TestERD.png current (broken) MySQL InnoDB SQL output: http://tedia2sql.tigris.org/innodb-testerd.sql mailing list archives: http://tedia2sql.tigris.org/servlets/SummarizeList?listName=users -- Tim Ellis Senior Database Architect Gamet, Inc. From torben.nielsen@rocketmail.com Tue Oct 1 16:14:22 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from web40103.mail.yahoo.com (web40103.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.37]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6503E180D7 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:14:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20021001201421.44971.qmail@web40103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.237.84.116] by web40103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Oct 2002 22:14:21 CEST Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 22:14:21 +0200 (CEST) From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Torben=20H.=20Nielsen?=" Subject: DIA_PLUGIN_PATH && libdia.so To: dia-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi. I've just tried the latest CVS-snapshot, and I must say that i looks _great_, but a few small things got me wondering: 1)All other global settings (like DIA_SHEET_PATH etc.) kan be handled through the autoconf/automake system - so why can't DIA_PLUGIN_PATH be handled the same way?? 2) Dia tries to load libdia.so as a plugin but as I can see the program is all ready linked to the library ?!? Is there anyway that this can be disabled?? I know that I can tell dia not to load this plugin, but it is a small issue that a dia-newbie could be confused about... Torben Beskyt din computer mod virus og misbrug! Læs mere i Yahoo! Sikkerhedscenter på www.yahoo.dk/sikkerhedscenter From aaron.trevena@droogs.org Tue Oct 1 16:50:12 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from love.warhead.org.uk (fear.warhead.org.uk [195.82.99.65]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8550D180D7 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:50:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by love.warhead.org.uk (Postfix, from userid 126) id 96894910CE; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:50:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by love.warhead.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EF637E009; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:50:06 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:50:06 +0100 (BST) From: Aaron Trevena X-X-Sender: tj@love.warhead.org.uk To: Bryce Harrington Cc: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Autodia SQL patch (for doing "sql2dia") In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org X-Reply-To: aaron.trevena@droogs.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > From: Bryce Harrington > Autodia is a tool for automatically generating Dia diagrams from source > code files. For example, it helps in building inheritance diagrams. It > handles perl, java, C++, C, and Php. It does indeed - but your milleage will vary :) Anybody with success (or failure) stories would be thanked hugely if they let me know - the problem with opensource is that people only tell you if something is broken ;) this means if you get a handful of emails about bugs - either it works for some other people and they just get on with using it (like I do with 99.999%v of the OSS stuff I use) or more likely in my case they just move onto something else. > This patch adds to it a (crude) handler for SQL. It generates the UML > boxes to describe the tables. It also puts in lines to link tables > together, but not very well, and is peculiar to my database naming > scheme, so YMMV on that bit. See README & screenshots for more info. I am adding the patch this evening - I also plan to add argouml and graphviz support soon too. better still I will set up an autodia or diatools (for discussion of autodia, dia2foo, foo2dia, bitching about visio and arguing about graphviz) in the near future thanks to a friend who is providing me with a shell and london.pm's shiny new mailing list manager (written in perl, like all good software). if anybody has hacked on a argouml to dia (or vice versa) perl script could they let me know as I am planning on some funky graphviz <--> dia <--> argouml conversion code soon. regards all, A. -- Aaron J Trevena - Perl Hacker, Kung Fu Geek, Internet Consultant AutoDia --- Automatic UML and HTML Specifications from Perl, C++ and Any Datasource with a Handler. http://droogs.org/autodia From cyrille@chepelov.org Wed Oct 2 02:28:00 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from chepelov.net1.nerim.net (chepelov.net1.nerim.net [62.212.101.212]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77B3F18237 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 02:28:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from muscat.intra.chepelov.org ([2001:7a8:1084::1]) by chepelov.net1.nerim.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17wd7U-0006do-00 for ; Wed, 02 Oct 2002 08:36:28 +0200 Received: from cyrille by muscat.intra.chepelov.org with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 17wczA-0008Ah-00 for ; Wed, 02 Oct 2002 08:27:52 +0200 Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 08:27:52 +0200 To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: DIA_PLUGIN_PATH && libdia.so Message-ID: <20021002062752.GA31320@chepelov.org> Mail-Followup-To: dia-list@gnome.org References: <20021001201421.44971.qmail@web40103.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20021001201421.44971.qmail@web40103.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Face: "99`N"mZV/:OLp[>#d3R;u.!ivtwAEpIQDL8rD#;L3Wm)~^)Uv=#;S!LZf1y8oRY7J#JR\Lr{*4Cn*32C89ln>0~5~tm--}j%hvhj+vtW> Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Le Tue, Oct 01, 2002, à 10:14:21PM +0200, Torben H. Nielsen a écrit: > Hi. > I've just tried the latest CVS-snapshot, and I must say that i looks > _great_, but a few small things got me wondering: > > 1)All other global settings (like DIA_SHEET_PATH etc.) kan be handled > through the autoconf/automake system - so why can't DIA_PLUGIN_PATH be > handled the same way?? DPP is here mostly for debugging, to override what dia has derived from the $prefix. > 2) Dia tries to load libdia.so as a plugin but as I can see the program > is all ready linked to the library ?!? Is there anyway that this can be > disabled?? Does it? Oh. > I know that I can tell dia not to load this plugin, but it is a small > issue that a dia-newbie could be confused about... Well, the issue is that I rushed a little too fast in turning libdia.a into libdia.so, and forgot to teach the plugin loader about how libdia.so is not a plugin at all. OTOH, the plugin loaded never bothered to complain to me, so I never saw this problem beforehand :-) (will have a look shortly, hopefully this evening) -- Cyrille -- From nemo@chepelov.org Wed Oct 2 03:26:20 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from chepelov.net1.nerim.net (chepelov.net1.nerim.net [62.212.101.212]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFAB21827E for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 03:26:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from muscat.intra.chepelov.org ([2001:7a8:1084::1]) by chepelov.net1.nerim.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17we21-0006w3-00 for ; Wed, 02 Oct 2002 09:34:53 +0200 Received: from cyrille by muscat.intra.chepelov.org with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 17wdth-0002RU-00 for ; Wed, 02 Oct 2002 09:26:17 +0200 Subject: Dia ChangeLog report for Wed Oct 2 07:23:01 2002 (UTC) X-Daemon-Owner: Cyrille Chepelov X-Send-Complaints-To: /dev/null X-Nemo-Version: 4 Message-Id: From: Dia ChangeLog Daemon To: dia-list@gnome.org Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 09:26:17 +0200 Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Snapshots available at http://www.crans.org/~chepelov/dia/snapshots *** Recent ChangeLog entries: --- ChangeLog.previous 2002-09-27 09:25:25.000000000 +0200 +++ dia-cvs-snapshot/ChangeLog 2002-10-02 09:23:04.000000000 +0200 @@ -1,3 +1,49 @@ +2002-09-28 Hans Breuer + + * */makefile.msc : updated + + * app/defaults.c : don't gdk_invalidate_rect(NULL) + * app/disp_callbacks.c : + can't cast GtkWindow to GdkWindow, use shell->window + (ddisplay_unrealize) don't use already unrefed im_context + * app/display.c : + can't cast from GtkMenu to GtkMenuItem + (ddisp_destroy) : mark im_context as unrefed + + * lib/dia_xml (data_font) : prefer new font format over old one + (data_add_font) : write the legacy name to allow file exchange + with pre Pango versions of Dia, which would otherwise crash + on missing font 'name' attribute. + * lib/font.c (dia_font_get_legacy_name) : improved implementation + to get a better match. + + * lib/libdia.def : updated + + * lib/messages.c : don't gdk_widget_show(NULL) + + * lib/prop_text.c : don't gtk_entry_set_text() with NULL string + + [make Dia compile, link _and_ work with mingw/gcc3.2] + + * config.h.win32 : #define LIBXML, this gets defined from libxml + header but only for _MSC_VER. The mingw build did access an + unitialized function pointer for xmlFree. + + * */makefile.mingw : updated (some plug-ins have build issues) + + * lib/handle.h lib/object.h : there appears to be no + forward declaration of the form + typedef enum _HandleId HandleId + (at least not with GCC 3.2 for C++) ../lib/handle.h:22: + use of enum `_HandleId' without previous declaration + + * app/paginate_gdiprint.cpp : added a hack to avoid g++ + naming conflict on 'export' + + * app/paginate_gdiprint.h : forward declare Diagram + + * objects/SADT/annotaion.c : use g_random_double() + 2002-09-26 Lars Clausen * app/modify_tool.c: Made motion not happen until sufficiently From torben.nielsen@rocketmail.com Wed Oct 2 04:00:12 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from web40107.mail.yahoo.com (web40107.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.41]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3D75B18355 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 04:00:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20021002080011.85719.qmail@web40107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.237.84.45] by web40107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Oct 2002 10:00:11 CEST Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 10:00:11 +0200 (CEST) From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Torben=20H.=20Nielsen?=" Subject: Re: DIA_PLUGIN_PATH && libdia.so To: dia-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Well, these problems does not occur when I run dia from app/run_dia.sh. But they become visible when i do a make install and run dia from /usr/local/bin/dia >Le Tue, Oct 01, 2002, à 10:14:21PM +0200, Torben H. Nielsen a écrit: >> Hi. >> I've just tried the latest CVS-snapshot, and I must say that i looks >> _great_, but a few small things got me wondering: >> >> 1)All other global settings (like DIA_SHEET_PATH etc.) kan be >>handled >> through the autoconf/automake system - so why can't DIA_PLUGIN_PATH >>be >> handled the same way?? >DPP is here mostly for debugging, to override what dia has derived >from the >$prefix. >> 2) Dia tries to load libdia.so as a plugin but as I can see the >>program >> is all ready linked to the library ?!? Is there anyway that this can >>be >> disabled?? >Does it? Oh. > >> I know that I can tell dia not to load this plugin, but it is a >>small >> issue that a dia-newbie could be confused about... > >Well, the issue is that I rushed a little too fast in turning libdia.a >into >libdia.so, and forgot to teach the plugin loader about how libdia.so >is not >a plugin at all. OTOH, the plugin loaded never bothered to complain to >me, >so I never saw this problem beforehand :-) > >(will have a look shortly, hopefully this evening) > > -- Cyrille Torben Beskyt din computer mod virus og misbrug! Læs mere i Yahoo! Sikkerhedscenter på www.yahoo.dk/sikkerhedscenter From ashalper@acm.org Wed Oct 2 09:34:47 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B2C018A57 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:34:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [66.167.128.97] (helo=rocket) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17wjeI-0006z1-00 for dia-list@gnome.org; Wed, 02 Oct 2002 06:34:46 -0700 Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 06:34:42 -0700 From: Andrew S Halper To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: DIA_PLUGIN_PATH && libdia.so Message-ID: <20021002063442.A18532@rocket> References: <20021001201421.44971.qmail@web40103.mail.yahoo.com> <20021002062752.GA31320@chepelov.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20021002062752.GA31320@chepelov.org>; from cyrille@chepelov.org on Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 23:27:52 -0700 X-Mailer: Balsa 1.2.4 Lines: 20 Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 2002.10.01 23:27 Cyrille Chepelov wrote: > Le Tue, Oct 01, 2002, à 10:14:21PM +0200, Torben H. Nielsen a écrit: > Well, the issue is that I rushed a little too fast in turning libdia.a > into > libdia.so, and forgot to teach the plugin loader about how libdia.so > is not > a plugin at all. OTOH, the plugin loaded never bothered to complain to > me, > so I never saw this problem beforehand :-) This might be unrelated, but for a few weeks now Dia has been starting with two error popup dialogs: "Could not load XSLT plugin; DIA_PLUGIN_PATH is not set." (I mentioned this earlier and you made some suggestions, but I haven't got around to trying them yet) and "Could not find plugin init function in `/usr/local/lib/dia/libdia.la'". Neither dialog shows up when I run app/run_dia.sh (which didn't even occur to me until I saw this thread). Andy From torben.nielsen@rocketmail.com Wed Oct 2 10:07:09 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from web40108.mail.yahoo.com (web40108.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.42]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2EF6818277 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 10:07:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20021002140708.4401.qmail@web40108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.237.84.2] by web40108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Oct 2002 16:07:08 CEST Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 16:07:08 +0200 (CEST) From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Torben=20H.=20Nielsen?=" Subject: Properties of deleted objects To: dia-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Here is a simple excercise: 1)open a new empty workarea 2)place any shape on the workarea 3)delete the newly created object And see, this one goes fine. Now we will take a little different approach: 1)place any shape on the workarea (again) 2)open the properties window for the object 3)close the prop. window 4)delete the object Now dia comes up with a message saying that this object has no properties. Why?? The properties window is already closed so why should dia care?? Filed in bugzilla as #94681 Torben Beskyt din computer mod virus og misbrug! Læs mere i Yahoo! Sikkerhedscenter på www.yahoo.dk/sikkerhedscenter From cyrille@chepelov.org Wed Oct 2 10:45:13 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from chepelov.net1.nerim.net (chepelov.net1.nerim.net [62.212.101.212]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A86DC184B2 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 10:45:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from muscat.intra.chepelov.org ([2001:7a8:1084::1]) by chepelov.net1.nerim.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17wksm-0000lE-00 for ; Wed, 02 Oct 2002 16:53:48 +0200 Received: from cyrille by muscat.intra.chepelov.org with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 17wkkP-0003fG-00 for ; Wed, 02 Oct 2002 16:45:09 +0200 Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 16:45:09 +0200 To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: DIA_PLUGIN_PATH && libdia.so Message-ID: <20021002144509.GB13225@chepelov.org> Mail-Followup-To: dia-list@gnome.org References: <20021001201421.44971.qmail@web40103.mail.yahoo.com> <20021002062752.GA31320@chepelov.org> <20021002063442.A18532@rocket> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20021002063442.A18532@rocket> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Face: "99`N"mZV/:OLp[>#d3R;u.!ivtwAEpIQDL8rD#;L3Wm)~^)Uv=#;S!LZf1y8oRY7J#JR\Lr{*4Cn*32C89ln>0~5~tm--}j%hvhj+vtW> Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Le Wed, Oct 02, 2002, à 06:34:42AM -0700, Andrew S Halper a écrit: > "Could not find plugin init function in > `/usr/local/lib/dia/libdia.la'". Neither dialog shows up when I run > app/run_dia.sh (which didn't even occur to me until I saw this thread). The latter is precisely what triggered the original message. The plug-in loader finds a .la file it thinks it can load, and fails because it's not a plug-in. -- Cyrille -- From roger@wansdyke.ndo.co.uk Wed Oct 2 11:26:14 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from rsdev (host213-1-134-212.in-addr.btopenworld.com [213.1.134.212]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F7281867C for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:26:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rsdev ([127.0.0.1]) by rsdev with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 17wlQS-0000HP-00 for ; Wed, 02 Oct 2002 16:28:36 +0100 Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 16:28:35 +0100 From: Roger Smith To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Properties of deleted objects Message-Id: <20021002162835.77986e8f.roger@wansdyke.ndo.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20021002140708.4401.qmail@web40108.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021002140708.4401.qmail@web40108.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.3 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: What version? On V 0.9 i do not have this problem Robert On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 16:07:08 +0200 (CEST) "Torben H. Nielsen" wrote: > Here is a simple excercise: > 1)open a new empty workarea > 2)place any shape on the workarea > 3)delete the newly created object > > And see, this one goes fine. > > Now we will take a little different approach: > 1)place any shape on the workarea (again) > 2)open the properties window for the object > 3)close the prop. window > 4)delete the object > > Now dia comes up with a message saying that this object has no > properties. > Why?? The properties window is already closed so why should dia care?? > > Filed in bugzilla as #94681 > > Torben > > Beskyt din computer mod virus og misbrug! Læs mere i Yahoo! Sikkerhedscenter på www.yahoo.dk/sikkerhedscenter > _______________________________________________ > Dia-list mailing list > Dia-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list > FAQ at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia/faq.html > Main page at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia > ------ Message From : Robert Smith E-mail : rsmith85@btinternet.com Web : http://www.surf-u.co.uk --- "Money couldn't buy friends but you got a better class of enemy." - Spike Milligan : Puckoon (1963) From torben.nielsen@rocketmail.com Wed Oct 2 11:43:28 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from web40107.mail.yahoo.com (web40107.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.41]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D568E184DC for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:43:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20021002154327.40330.qmail@web40107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.237.84.3] by web40107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Oct 2002 17:43:27 CEST Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 17:43:27 +0200 (CEST) From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Torben=20H.=20Nielsen?=" Subject: Re: Properties of deleted objects To: dia-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: todays CVS snapshot >What version? >On V 0.9 i do not have this problem >Robert Torben Beskyt din computer mod virus og misbrug! 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Sikkerhedscenter på www.yahoo.dk/sikkerhedscenter From Ivo.Bloechliger@epfl.ch Wed Oct 2 12:57:28 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from mail0.epfl.ch (mail0.epfl.ch [128.178.50.57]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0C2EA18833 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:57:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 13561 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2002 16:57:26 -0000 Received: from mapc15.epfl.ch (HELO epfl.ch) (128.178.42.207) by mail0.epfl.ch with SMTP; 2 Oct 2002 16:57:26 -0000 Message-ID: <3D9B25A4.7000307@epfl.ch> Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 18:58:12 +0200 From: Ivo Bloechliger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lukas@azzit.de, nct@ysagoon.com, users@openoffice.org, support@7-zip.org, doozan@users.sourceforge.net, ron_aegis@users.sourceforge.net, gsview@ghostgum.com.au, gtk-list@gnome.org, spencer@xcf.berkeley.edu, andy@xemacs.org, swabby@c0re.net, cyreve@users.sourceforge.net, schilling@fokus.gmd.de, cs@miktex.org, astuckey@imsa.edu, simon@wretched.demon.co.uk, geyer@math.uni-dortmund.de, sales@act-europe.fr, cinamod@hotmail.com, putty@projects.tartarus.org, jwe@octave.org, r-announce@lists.R-project.org, Scilab@inria.fr, info-gnuplot@dartmouth.edu, guido@python.org, J.J.vanderHeijden@student.utwente.nl, support@i-tree.org, jloup@gailly.net, ch@innocent.com, dev@httpd.apache.org, zinf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, zed@xchat.org, feedback@vorbis.com, #@gnome.org, mozilla-announce@mozilla.org, phaeron@virtualdub.org, akey@users.sourceforge.net, gnupg-devel-request@gnupg.org, pingus-devel@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org, jcw@equi4.com, syring@web.de, curt@flightgear.org, support@sunspirestudios.com, brian@brisoft.com, gurkan@linuks.mine.nu, pgmillard@jabber.org, jaakko.peltonen@hut.fi, twb@users.sourceforge.net, vim-announce@vim.org, wxpython-users@lists.wxwindows.org, jr@jrsoftware.org, nhodgson@bigpond.net.au, cgf@cygnus.com, info@mysql.com, httrack@httrack.com, dia-list@gnome.org, b-patrick@wanadoo.fr, claurel@shatters.net, bill@newbreedsoftware.com, sdl@libsdl.org, criswell@tux4kids.org, giles@artofcode.com, marvin@dataway.ch, nelson@aluminumangel.org, tim.kosse@gmx.de, steffenschramm@gmx.de Cc: gnuwin Subject: Your application is on GNUWin II Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org X-Reply-To: gnuwin List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, We are very pleased to inform you, that we have included your application (for which you are listed as author or contact person) into GNUWin II (http://gnuwin.epfl.ch). We would like to thank you for your contribution to the world of free software. GNUWin shall help to introduce users to free software, to show that it exists (and works!) and to ease a future migration to an entirely free system, like GNU/Linux for instance. GNUWin itself is meant to be 'libre' (free in the sens of the GPL). You can find iso images of GNUWin on the Swiss Sunsite Mirror at ftp://sunsite.cnlab-switch.ch/mirror/gnuwin/ http://sunsite.cnlab-switch.ch/ftp/mirror/gnuwin/ or from our (for the moment somewhat loaded) site at http://gnuwin.epfl.ch/iso/ Note: Some few applications have been added very recently only, and may not be on the ISO image yet. Sorry about that. Best regards GNU Generation (http://gnugeneration.epfl.ch) Bonjour ! Nous avons le plaisir de vous annoncer que votre application a été sélectionnée pour figurer sur GNUWin, et nous vous remercions de tout coeur pour votre contribution aux Logiciels libres et à l'open source. GNUWin-II est une compilation de logiciels libres et open source pour Windows, destinée à apporter aux utilisateur la puissance des logiciels libres, et de faciliter une future transition vers GNU/Linux en les introduisant à des logiciels qu'ils pourront utiliser sur leur nouvelle plateforme. Vous pouvez visiter notre projet à l'adresse http://gnuwin.epfl.ch , et télécharger l'image ISO sur http://gnuwin.epfl.ch/iso/ ou (de préférence) sur notre miroir sur Swiss SunSITE à ftp://sunsite.cnlab-switch.ch/mirror/gnuwin/ http://sunsite.cnlab-switch.ch/ftp/mirror/gnuwin/ Vos commentaires et suggestions sont naturellement les très bienvenus, et, en vous remerciant encore pour votre travail utile à la communauté, nous vous prions d'agréer les compliments de toute l'équipe de GNU Generation (http://gnugeneration.epfl.ch) From knorke.in-berlin.de!ml@knorke.in-berlin.de Thu Oct 3 09:25:03 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from hirsch.in-berlin.de (hirsch.in-berlin.de [192.109.42.6]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAAA91816B for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 09:25:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hirsch.in-berlin.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hirsch.in-berlin.de (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -2) with ESMTP id g93DP2Ym003384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:25:02 +0200 Received: from knorke.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by hirsch.in-berlin.de (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -2) with UUCP id g93DP2OP003376 for gnome.org!dia-list; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:25:02 +0200 X-Envelope-From: knorke.in-berlin.de!ml@knorke.in-berlin.de X-Envelope-To: gnome.org!dia-list Received: from k6.in-berlin.de (really [192.168.0.77]) by knorke.in-berlin.de via in.smtpd with esmtp id (Debian Smail3.2.0.102) for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:12:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ml by k6.in-berlin.de with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17x5mN-00046P-00 for ; Thu, 03 Oct 2002 15:12:35 +0200 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:12:35 +0200 To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Dia and GObject Message-ID: <20021003131235.GA15710@k6.in-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i From: ml Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, just a general questions: As I understand, Object (lib/object.h) is not derived from GObject. Why? Same for other things like DiaMenu. Thanks for any explanation! Cheers! From lrclause@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu Thu Oct 3 09:39:27 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (shasta.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.246.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 311C2180EB for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 09:39:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id g93DdQM0004181 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 08:39:26 -0500 Received: (from lrclause@localhost) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) id g93DdQM5004177; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 08:39:26 -0500 Subject: Re: Dia and GObject To: dia-list@gnome.org References: <20021003131235.GA15710@k6.in-berlin.de> From: Lars Clausen Date: 03 Oct 2002 08:39:26 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20021003131235.GA15710@k6.in-berlin.de> Message-ID: <81d6qrr69d.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Lines: 17 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, ml@knorke.in-berlin.de wrote: > Hi, >=20 > just a general questions: As I understand, Object > (lib/object.h) is not derived from GObject. Why? Same for > other things like DiaMenu. Thanks for any explanation! Mainly because Dia started out before there was a GObject, and GTKObject just wasn't right. We will move to GObject. -Lars --=20 Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| H=E5rdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |------------------------= ---- will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbas= ket? From torben.nielsen@rocketmail.com Thu Oct 3 10:25:04 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from web40109.mail.yahoo.com (web40109.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.43]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 78D7A18206 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 10:25:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20021003142503.31329.qmail@web40109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.237.84.124] by web40109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Oct 2002 16:25:03 CEST Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:25:03 +0200 (CEST) From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Torben=20H.=20Nielsen?=" Subject: Re: DIA_PLUGIN_PATH && libdia.so To: dia-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, >> "Could not find plugin init function in >> `/usr/local/lib/dia/libdia.la'". Neither dialog shows up when I run >> app/run_dia.sh (which didn't even occur to me until I saw this thread). > >The latter is precisely what triggered the original message. The >plug-in >loader finds a .la file it thinks it can load, and fails because it's >not a >plug-in. Well, I came to the same conclusion! I've attached a small (lousy) patch, to work around this issue. Torben Beskyt din computer mod virus og misbrug! Læs mere i Yahoo! Sikkerhedscenter på www.yahoo.dk/sikkerhedscenter From ashalper@acm.org Thu Oct 3 10:36:52 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35E5118C34 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 10:36:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from h-66-167-129-151.phndaz91.covad.net ([66.167.128.151] helo=rocket) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17x75p-0006uC-00 for dia-list@gnome.org; Thu, 03 Oct 2002 07:36:46 -0700 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 07:36:41 -0700 From: Andrew S Halper To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: DIA_PLUGIN_PATH && libdia.so Message-ID: <20021003073641.E21185@rocket> References: <20021003142503.31329.qmail@web40109.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20021003142503.31329.qmail@web40109.mail.yahoo.com>; from torben.nielsen@rocketmail.com on Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 07:25:03 -0700 X-Mailer: Balsa 1.2.4 Lines: 24 Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 2002.10.03 07:25 Torben H. Nielsen wrote: > >> "Could not find plugin init function in > >> `/usr/local/lib/dia/libdia.la'". Neither dialog shows up when I run > > >> app/run_dia.sh (which didn't even occur to me until I saw this > thread). > > > >The latter is precisely what triggered the original message. The > >plug-in > >loader finds a .la file it thinks it can load, and fails because it's > >not a > >plug-in. > > Well, I came to the same conclusion! > > I've attached a small (lousy) patch, to work around this issue. Man that is small! (the empty string) Not seeing it. Could it have been removed by the listserv? Thanks, Andy From torben.nielsen@rocketmail.com Thu Oct 3 10:48:51 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from web40102.mail.yahoo.com (web40102.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.36]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B1AE1180EB for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 10:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20021003144846.47115.qmail@web40102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.237.84.124] by web40102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Oct 2002 16:48:46 CEST Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:48:46 +0200 (CEST) From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Torben=20H.=20Nielsen?=" Subject: Re: DIA_PLUGIN_PATH && libdia.so To: dia-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20021003073641.E21185@rocket> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Sorry, it seems like my YaHoo! mail doesn't like attachments, so i've uploaded it to: http://t-hoerup.dk/dia/plug-ins.c-patch Torben --- Andrew S Halper skrev: > On 2002.10.03 07:25 Torben H. Nielsen wrote: > > > >> "Could not find plugin init function in > > >> `/usr/local/lib/dia/libdia.la'". Neither dialog shows up when I > run > > > > >> app/run_dia.sh (which didn't even occur to me until I saw this > > thread). > > > > > >The latter is precisely what triggered the original message. The > > >plug-in > > >loader finds a .la file it thinks it can load, and fails because > it's > > >not a > > >plug-in. > > > > Well, I came to the same conclusion! > > > > I've attached a small (lousy) patch, to work around this issue. > > Man that is small! (the empty string) > > Not seeing it. Could it have been removed by the listserv? > > Thanks, > Andy > _______________________________________________ > Dia-list mailing list > Dia-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list > FAQ at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia/faq.html > Main page at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia > Beskyt din computer mod virus og misbrug! Læs mere i Yahoo! Sikkerhedscenter på www.yahoo.dk/sikkerhedscenter From mdupont777@yahoo.com Thu Oct 3 13:56:29 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from web13306.mail.yahoo.com (web13306.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.42]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A788B18706 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20021003175627.71550.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [80.128.228.6] by web13306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Oct 2002 10:56:27 PDT Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 10:56:27 -0700 (PDT) From: James Michael DuPont Subject: Re: Dia and GObject To: dia-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <81d6qrr69d.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --- Lars Clausen wrote: > On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, ml@knorke.in-berlin.de wrote: > > Hi, > > > > just a general questions: As I understand, Object > > (lib/object.h) is not derived from GObject. Why? Same for > > other things like DiaMenu. Thanks for any explanation! > > Mainly because Dia started out before there was a GObject, and > GTKObject > just wasn't right. We will move to GObject. Thats funny, I am working on compiling Gobject at this very moment! It looks very nice, I hope to help with the moving of dia to GObject if I can..... mike ===== James Michael DuPont http://introspector.sourceforge.net/ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From torben.nielsen@rocketmail.com Thu Oct 3 14:06:21 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from web40112.mail.yahoo.com (web40112.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.46]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 91EB7181AB for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 14:06:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20021003180619.80171.qmail@web40112.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.237.84.84] by web40112.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Oct 2002 20:06:19 CEST Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 20:06:19 +0200 (CEST) From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Torben=20H.=20Nielsen?=" Subject: 2 Small bugs To: dia-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, I found a few small bugs in dia (CVS-version): Bug #1 If one of the following files are missing: ~/.dia/defaults.dia ~/.dia/pluginrc Dia writes the following on the console warning: failed to load external entity "Null" (For pluginrc it writes the message, both on startup and when dia is closing) Bug #2 If you close dia by pressing the [X] in the corner instead of using file->quit or ctrl-q dia dumps a lot of gtk-warnings to the console: ** (dia:8877): CRITICAL **: file app_procs.c: line 529 (app_exit): assertion `!app_exit_once' failed (dia:8877): Gtk-WARNING **: A floating object was finalized. This means that someone called g_object_unref() on an object that had only a floating reference; the initial floating reference is not owned by anyone and must be removed with gtk_object_sink() after a normal reference is obtained with g_object_ref(). (dia:8877): Gtk-WARNING **: A floating object was finalized. This means that someone called g_object_unref() on an object that had only a floating reference; the initial floating reference is not owned by anyone and must be removed with gtk_object_sink() after a normal reference is obtained with g_object_ref(). (dia:8877): Gtk-WARNING **: A floating object was finalized. This means that someone called g_object_unref() on an object that had only a floating reference; the initial floating reference is not owned by anyone and must be removed with gtk_object_sink() after a normal reference is obtained with g_object_ref(). Torben Beskyt din computer mod virus og misbrug! Læs mere i Yahoo! Sikkerhedscenter på www.yahoo.dk/sikkerhedscenter From hu.peress@mail.mcgill.ca Thu Oct 3 17:35:04 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from txsmtp03.texas.rr.com (smtp3.texas.rr.com [24.93.36.231]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C849181A2 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 17:35:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (cs6625175-189.austin.rr.com [66.25.175.189]) by txsmtp03.texas.rr.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g93LYDNL014274 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 17:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Needs From: Hunter Peress To: dia-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.5 Date: 03 Oct 2002 16:37:46 -0500 Message-Id: <1033681066.32153.3.camel@HillCountryPeress> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Heres something that dia really needs: A box that shows you the dimensions of a selected item. It should also let you enter in new dimensions (and accept mathetmatical operators like + - * /). Its impossible to make uniform diagrams if I can't have a box that's exactly 2x greater than another one. I severly want to help. If this is an idea that is new, please ASSIGN some of the labor to me. I would like to get this done within 2 weeks from this email. -Hunter. NOTICE: im not on the list, so please include me in your replies From lrclause@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu Fri Oct 4 09:19:48 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (shasta.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.246.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96B5A1815F for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 09:19:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id g94DJmM0018700; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 08:19:48 -0500 Received: (from lrclause@localhost) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) id g94DJmoI018696; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 08:19:48 -0500 Subject: Re: Needs To: dia-list@gnome.org Cc: Hunter Peress References: <1033681066.32153.3.camel@HillCountryPeress> From: Lars Clausen Date: 04 Oct 2002 08:19:47 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1033681066.32153.3.camel@HillCountryPeress> Message-ID: <81vg4ipci4.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Lines: 58 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 03 Oct 2002, Hunter Peress wrote: > Heres something that dia really needs: >=20 > A box that shows you the dimensions of a selected item.=20 The placement and dimensions of elements are actually just properties like those seen in the property dialog. They were set to not be visible in the dialog, partly for historical reasons, partly because some elements (e.g. the UML packages) have extra decoration that goes outside those bounds. Making them visible is as easy as adding PROP_FLAG_VISIBLE to the elem_width and the elem_height property macros in lib/element.h. This will take care of the size of all element-like things. For placement and for the connection points, the properties code is missing some widgets. For instance, there is no widget that allows entering a Point value. Those things are defined in lib/prop_geomtypes.c. > It should also > let you enter in new dimensions (and accept mathetmatical operators like > + - * /). The property widget is just a standard gtk_spinner widget. It can be set to allow non-numeric entry, in which case we could allow arithmetic and dimensions. The spinner in the pagesetup dialog does dimensions for margins already. You could generalize on that and allow arithmetic as well. To allow dimensions in properties, we would need a property type Length (rather than Real). We may run into some compatibility issues if we do that, though. > Its impossible to make uniform diagrams if I can't have a box that's > exactly 2x greater than another one. You're not the first one to mention this. I'm certain people will be happy to have this feature. > I severly want to help. If this is an idea that is new, please ASSIGN > some of the labor to me. I would like to get this done within 2 weeks > from this email. -Hunter. That's great! Please do compile the newest CVS version, as many a GTK thing has changed. > NOTICE: im not on the list, so please include me in your replies If you're going to actually code something for Dia, I suggest you join the list. Easier for all of us. It would also be a good idea to make an entry for this in Bugzilla (http://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=3Ddia).=20 -Lars --=20 Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| H=E5rdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |------------------------= ---- will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbas= ket? From hu.peress@mail.mcgill.ca Sat Oct 5 03:04:29 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from txsmtp01.texas.rr.com (smtp1.texas.rr.com [24.93.36.229]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30B3F180F1 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 03:04:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (cs6625175-189.austin.rr.com [66.25.175.189]) by txsmtp01.texas.rr.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g9573Qss015880 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 03:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: trying to build From: Hunter Peress To: dia-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.5 Date: 05 Oct 2002 02:07:25 -0500 Message-Id: <1033801645.3764.5.camel@HillCountryPeress> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: http://tacos.sus.mcgill.ca/~hperes/make check out that for my make errors. I did install libunicode-dev From hu.peress@mail.mcgill.ca Sat Oct 5 17:55:31 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from txsmtp03.texas.rr.com (smtp3.texas.rr.com [24.93.36.231]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94A0E18125 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 17:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (cs6625175-189.austin.rr.com [66.25.175.189]) by txsmtp03.texas.rr.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g95LsaNL020458 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 17:54:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: testing? From: Hunter Peress To: dia-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.5 Date: 05 Oct 2002 16:58:30 -0500 Message-Id: <1033855110.3778.13.camel@HillCountryPeress> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: does this thing work? From Tim.Ellis@gamet.com Sun Oct 6 04:21:05 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from linuxmail.lgsinc.com (unknown [12.22.4.163]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 712BF180F5 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 04:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from timetop (IDENT:cYzqBcLE+OGpU5p0CnOC/2AZBjRrMM3A@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by linuxmail.lgsinc.com (8.11.6/8.8.7) with SMTP id g968KeS11927; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 01:20:40 -0700 Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 01:19:16 -0700 From: Tim Ellis To: mysql@lists.mysql.com, dia-list@gnome.org, pgsql-admin@postgresql.org Subject: Announce: tedia2sql, GPL ERD Tool Message-Id: <20021006011916.3d1d83eb.Tim.Ellis@gamet.com> Organization: Gamet X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i586-mandrake-linux-gnu) X-WerdupHomey: 3.14159265358979323 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Another in my hopefully-sparse-enough tedia2sql announcements. tedia2sql now supports MySQL and one-to-one relationships thanks to the international nature of the internet (Thanks, Martin). What is tedia2sql? You create your database diagram (ERD) in Dia using the UML shapes. Then you run tedia2sql on the Dia savefile, and it spews forth SQL DDL in the database dialect of your choice. Well, as long as you choose one of PostgreSQL, MySQL (InnoDB), Oracle, Sybase, Ingres, MS-SQL Server, or IBM DB2. Use a different database? Want tedia2sql to support it? Well, it's pretty easy, really, but you need to contribute at least the SQL syntax for about twelve operations and run the test output on the server to make sure it doesn't have syntax errors. Using tedia2sql: http://tedia2sql.tigris.org/usingtedia2sql.html Screenshots (of ERDs in Dia that tedia2sql can handle): http://tedia2sql.tigris.org/sampleImages/TestERD.png http://tedia2sql.tigris.org/sampleImages/BigERD.png Homepage (mailing list, CVS, downloads, documentation, etc): http://tedia2sql.tigris.org -- Tim Ellis Senior Database Architect Author, tedia2sql (http://tedia2sql.tigris.org) From horkana@tcd.ie Sun Oct 6 09:02:20 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1B23F1812F for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 09:02:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 6 Oct 2002 14:02:19 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 14:02:18 +0100 (IST) From: Alan Horkan X-X-Sender: horkana@turing.maths.tcd.ie To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Yes the list works fine [Re: testing?] In-Reply-To: <1033855110.3778.13.camel@HillCountryPeress> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Yes the list works fine On 5 Oct 2002, Hunter Peress wrote: > Date: 05 Oct 2002 16:58:30 -0500 > From: Hunter Peress > Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org > To: dia-list@gnome.org > Subject: testing? From hans@breuer.org Sun Oct 6 14:46:17 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from mailrelay1.lrz-muenchen.de (mailrelay1.lrz-muenchen.de [129.187.254.101]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C89B4181BE for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 14:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [141.84.26.172] by mailout.lrz-muenchen.de for dia-list@gnome.org; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 20:46:15 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021006203612.007db340@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> X-Sender: h_breuer@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 20:36:12 +0200 To: dia-list@gnome.org From: Hans Breuer Subject: Don't cvs update now, if ... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: ... you don't plan to help with the transition to GObject based DiaRenderer(s). That said, here is what currently already works (with probably minor build issues on *nix, cause all this work was done on win32) : There is a new DiaRenderer class and a DiaInteractiveRenderer interface defined in libdia. The DiaRenderer implementation lives in libdia, the additional DiaInteractiveRenderer interface is implemented in app/* - RendererGdk is ported to be DiaGdkRenderer - RendererPixmap has vanished. The render to pixmap facility is implemented on top of DiaGdkRenderer (parametrization) - DiaRenderer has default implementations for higher level renderer function like draw_bezier (approximation with draw_line, moved from RendererGdk, *_rounded_*, etc.) - all of object/* is ported to use DiaRenderer - there is a new DiaSvgRenderer in libdia containing almost all the code which can be shared between plug-ins/svg and plug-ins/shape. The respective plug-ins are stripped down to their essential differences (removed code duplication). - part of plug-ins/* (i.e. hpgl, shape, svg, wmf, wpg) is ported. The other plug-ins will be ported soon (want to contribute?). - there is a new export plug-in called 'Pixbuf' which uses DiaGdkRenderer to export to gdk-pixbuf supported bitmap formats (currently only PNG and JPEG). Almost as described in http://mail.gnome.org/archives/dia-list/2002-June/msg00112.html """ - convert Renderer interface to GObject - change init_*_*ops() to *_class_init, virtual function support (should be done by/with the help of GObject) - lib/render.c includes most of the base DiaRenderer plug-ins/renderer.inc has code to approximate ellipse by arcs app/renderer_gdk.c : has a bezier by line approximation - try to involve original plug-in authors (to at least take a look if something got broken during the transition) """ and http://hans.breuer.org/dia/dia-todo.htm RendererLibart and RendererEPS are next on my list. Following plug-ins/python. If noone else is taking the missing plug-in conversion (cgm, dxf, metapost, pstricks, xfig) they are last. Regards, Hans -------- Hans "at" Breuer "dot" Org ----------- Tell me what you need, and I'll tell you how to get along without it. -- Dilbert From lrclause@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu Sun Oct 6 19:01:01 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (shasta.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.246.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68E2F18677 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 19:01:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id g96N10M0031466 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 18:01:00 -0500 Received: (from lrclause@localhost) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) id g96N10FZ031462; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 18:01:00 -0500 Subject: Re: Don't cvs update now, if ... To: dia-list@gnome.org References: <3.0.5.32.20021006203612.007db340@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> From: Lars Clausen Date: 06 Oct 2002 18:01:00 -0500 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20021006203612.007db340@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> Message-ID: <81lm5bnpeb.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Lines: 33 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sun, 06 Oct 2002, Hans Breuer wrote: > ... you don't plan to help with the transition to GObject=20 > based DiaRenderer(s). >=20 > That said, here is what currently already works (with > probably minor build issues on *nix, cause all this work > was done on win32) : >=20 > There is a new DiaRenderer class and a DiaInteractiveRenderer > interface defined in libdia. The DiaRenderer implementation > lives in libdia, the additional DiaInteractiveRenderer interface > is implemented in app/* >=20 > - RendererGdk is ported to be DiaGdkRenderer > - RendererPixmap has vanished. The render to pixmap facility > is implemented on top of DiaGdkRenderer (parametrization) > - DiaRenderer has default implementations for higher level > renderer function like draw_bezier (approximation with > draw_line, moved from RendererGdk, *_rounded_*, etc.) [...] So is the 'function overloading' done with the GLib stuff or with the same mechanism as before? Looking at the GLib function overloading, it seems rather heavy-weight, with before and after functions. -Lars --=20 Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| H=E5rdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |------------------------= ---- will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbas= ket? From hans@breuer.org Sun Oct 6 19:48:08 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from mailrelay1.lrz-muenchen.de (mailrelay1.lrz-muenchen.de [129.187.254.101]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9643518152; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 19:48:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [141.84.26.37] by mailout.lrz-muenchen.de; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 01:48:05 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021007013803.008bbd30@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> X-Sender: h_breuer@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 01:38:03 +0200 To: dia-list@gnome.org From: Hans Breuer Subject: Re: Don't cvs update now, if ... Cc: dia-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <81lm5bnpeb.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> References: <3.0.5.32.20021006203612.007db340@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> <3.0.5.32.20021006203612.007db340@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: At 18:01 06.10.02 -0500, Lars Clausen wrote: >On Sun, 06 Oct 2002, Hans Breuer wrote: >> [...] >> - DiaRenderer has default implementations for higher level >> renderer function like draw_bezier (approximation with >> draw_line, moved from RendererGdk, *_rounded_*, etc.) > >[...] > >So is the 'function overloading' done with the GLib stuff It's called GObject. No Dia uses the GObject System like Gtk and The Gimp and most of GNOME do nowadays, not our own home grown-mechanism ... >or with the same >mechanism as before? Looking at the GLib function overloading, it seems >rather heavy-weight, with before and after functions. > before function there need to be two pointer lookups (ok a little more at least if you enable all type checking :-), but how do you think it should consume time after calling a function through a pointer ? Actually looking at the code may help ... Regards, Hans -------- Hans "at" Breuer "dot" Org ----------- Tell me what you need, and I'll tell you how to get along without it. -- Dilbert From nemo@chepelov.org Mon Oct 7 03:26:49 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from chepelov.net1.nerim.net (chepelov.net1.nerim.net [62.212.101.212]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA710180ED for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 03:26:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from muscat.intra.chepelov.org ([2001:7a8:1084::1]) by chepelov.net1.nerim.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17ySQk-0002ZW-00 for ; Mon, 07 Oct 2002 09:35:54 +0200 Received: from cyrille by muscat.intra.chepelov.org with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 17ySHP-0006d8-00 for ; Mon, 07 Oct 2002 09:26:15 +0200 Subject: Dia ChangeLog report for Mon Oct 7 07:23:01 2002 (UTC) X-Daemon-Owner: Cyrille Chepelov X-Send-Complaints-To: /dev/null X-Nemo-Version: 4 Message-Id: From: Dia ChangeLog Daemon To: dia-list@gnome.org Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 09:26:15 +0200 Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Snapshots available at http://www.crans.org/~chepelov/dia/snapshots *** Recent ChangeLog entries: --- ChangeLog.previous 2002-10-02 09:23:16.000000000 +0200 +++ dia-cvs-snapshot/ChangeLog 2002-10-07 09:23:04.000000000 +0200 @@ -1,3 +1,81 @@ +2002-10-07 Steffen Macke + + * lib/Makefile.am: removed a '\' causing problems + +2002-10-07 Hans Breuer + + [Libart Renderer resurrected; almost it's compiling but + almost instantly crashing :-] + + * lib/dialibartrenderer.[hc] : new files, ported to DiaRenderer + * app/render_libart.[hc] : ported to DiaInteractiveRenderer + * lib/diatransform.[hc] : added dia_transform_coords_double() + + * app/display.c : the right parameters for new_renderer_libart() + * app/export_png.c : ported, removed the blind Display hack + + * app/makefile.msc lib/makefile.msc + lib/Makefile.am : updated + + * lib/dia<|gdk|interactive>renderer.c : properly copyrighted + +2002-10-06 Hans Breuer + + See also: + http://mail.gnome.org/archives/dia-list/2002-October/msg00027.html + + * lib/dia-enums.h lib/diatransform.[hc] + lib/diarenderer.[hc] lib/diainteractiverenderer.c + lib/diagdkrenderer.[hc] lib/diasvgrenderer.[hc] + : new files + + * lib/makefile.msc lib/makefile.am : added new files + + * lib/plug-ins.c : g_module_error() returns a locale + string, convert to utf8 before further usage + + * lib/render.h : #error out. Everything including this + needs porting + * lib/*.[hc] : ported to new renderer api + + * app/diaepsrenderer.h : unfinished DiaEpsRenderer interface + just to make the rest compile + * app/render_eps.c : temporary disabled all of this + * app/render_eps.h : removed RendererEPS + + * app/render_gdk.[hc] : a small wrapper around the new + DiaGdkRenderer form lib/* + + * app/render_libart.h : removed RenderLibart definition + * app/render_libart.c : not yet ported to new DiaRenderer + but having an implementation to untie form FT2 dependency + at least on win32. It is using new Pango api form bug #94791 + + * app/render_pixmap.[hc] : a small wrapper around the new + DiaGdkRenderer form lib/* + + * app/display.h : removed render_*.h includes + * app/display.c : the only place where specific + renderers need to be known + + * app/connectionpoint_ops.c app/grid.c app/handle_ops.c + use new DiaInteractiveRenderer interface + + * app/*.c : ported to new renderer api + * object/*/*.c : ported to new renderer api + s/render.h/diarenderer.h/ + s/Renderer/DiaRenderer/ + s/renderer->ops/renderer_ops/ + add in every draw method: + DiaRendererClass *renderer_ops = DIA_RENDERER_GET_CLASS (renderer); + + * plug-ins/hpgl/hpgl.c : + plug-ins/wmf/wmf.cpp + plug-ins/wpg/wpg.c : ported to be DiaRenderer based + * plug-ins/shape/shape-export.c + plug-ins/svg/render_svg.c : ported to be DiaSvgRenderer based + (nice how small these files became :-) + 2002-09-28 Hans Breuer * */makefile.msc : updated From sdteffen@web.de Mon Oct 7 11:47:32 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp01.web.de [194.45.170.210]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2811B18574 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 11:47:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [217.23.38.14] (helo=atari1) by smtp.web.de with asmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.75 #2) id 17ya6U-0004xn-00 for dia-list@gnome.org; Mon, 07 Oct 2002 17:47:30 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Steffen Macke To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Don't cvs update now, if ... Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 18:50:20 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.4] References: <3.0.5.32.20021006203612.007db340@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> <3.0.5.32.20021007013803.008bbd30@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20021007013803.008bbd30@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200210071850.20361.sdteffen@web.de> Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org X-Reply-To: sdteffen@web.de List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Trying to compile, I get a lot of "redefinition of ..." errors. Should the lines like typedef struct _DiaRenderer DiaRenderer;=20 be replaced by matching #include statements? Steffen From hans@breuer.org Mon Oct 7 16:11:00 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from mailrelay2.lrz-muenchen.de (mailrelay2.lrz-muenchen.de [129.187.254.102]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A258184FA; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:11:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [141.84.26.169] by mailout.lrz-muenchen.de; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 22:10:57 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021007220049.00b3dc50@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> X-Sender: h_breuer@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 22:00:49 +0200 To: dia-list@gnome.org From: Hans Breuer Subject: Re: Don't cvs update now, if ... Cc: dia-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <200210071850.20361.sdteffen@web.de> References: <3.0.5.32.20021007013803.008bbd30@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> <3.0.5.32.20021006203612.007db340@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> <3.0.5.32.20021007013803.008bbd30@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: At 18:50 07.10.02 +0200, Steffen Macke wrote: >Trying to compile, I get a lot >of "redefinition of ..." errors. Sorry for the incovenience. The M$ compiler docs claim this construct to be correct (there is no warning at all for the redefinition and at least for C++ this is standard conform :) See : http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/vclang98/ht ml/_pluslang_redeclaration_of_typedef_names.asp >Should the lines like > >typedef struct _DiaRenderer DiaRenderer; > >be replaced by matching #include statements? > this would give the 'circular header dependencies', e.g. object.h needs to include diarenderer.h and vice versa, which I tried to avoid. IMO the best solution would be a dia-types.h file only to define the common typedef's something like #ifndef DIA_TYPES_H #define DIA_TYPES_H typedef struct _Layer Layer; typedef struct _DiagramData DiagramData; typedef struct _DiaRenderer DiaRenderer; #endif This would allow to pass partly known 'class' pointers without exposing any details of the concrete class definitions. What do others think about this ? Hans -------- Hans "at" Breuer "dot" Org ----------- Tell me what you need, and I'll tell you how to get along without it. -- Dilbert From cyrille@chepelov.org Tue Oct 8 01:34:49 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from chepelov.net1.nerim.net (chepelov.net1.nerim.net [62.212.101.212]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F89618102 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 01:34:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from muscat.intra.chepelov.org ([2001:7a8:1084::1]) by chepelov.net1.nerim.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17ynAV-00016K-00 for ; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 07:44:31 +0200 Received: from cyrille by muscat.intra.chepelov.org with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 17yn13-0000na-00 for ; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 07:34:45 +0200 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 07:34:45 +0200 To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Don't cvs update now, if ... Message-ID: <20021008053445.GD2964@chepelov.org> Mail-Followup-To: dia-list@gnome.org References: <3.0.5.32.20021007013803.008bbd30@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> <3.0.5.32.20021006203612.007db340@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> <3.0.5.32.20021007013803.008bbd30@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> <3.0.5.32.20021007220049.00b3dc50@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20021007220049.00b3dc50@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Face: "99`N"mZV/:OLp[>#d3R;u.!ivtwAEpIQDL8rD#;L3Wm)~^)Uv=#;S!LZf1y8oRY7J#JR\Lr{*4Cn*32C89ln>0~5~tm--}j%hvhj+vtW> Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Le Mon, Oct 07, 2002, à 10:00:49PM +0200, Hans Breuer a écrit: > #ifndef DIA_TYPES_H > #define DIA_TYPES_H > typedef struct _Layer Layer; > typedef struct _DiagramData DiagramData; > typedef struct _DiaRenderer DiaRenderer; > #endif > > This would allow to pass partly known 'class' pointers without > exposing any details of the concrete class definitions. > > What do others think about this ? Sounds good, provided this file remains small (for speed of compilation reasons. Production-grade GCC doesn't have any precompiled header solution at this moment) -- Cyrille -- From nemo@chepelov.org Tue Oct 8 03:26:57 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from chepelov.net1.nerim.net (chepelov.net1.nerim.net [62.212.101.212]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D013181B4 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 03:26:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from muscat.intra.chepelov.org ([2001:7a8:1084::1]) by chepelov.net1.nerim.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17yous-0001h8-00 for ; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 09:36:30 +0200 Received: from cyrille by muscat.intra.chepelov.org with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 17yolK-0003jr-00 for ; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 09:26:38 +0200 Subject: Dia ChangeLog report for Tue Oct 8 07:23:01 2002 (UTC) X-Daemon-Owner: Cyrille Chepelov X-Send-Complaints-To: /dev/null X-Nemo-Version: 4 Message-Id: From: Dia ChangeLog Daemon To: dia-list@gnome.org Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 09:26:38 +0200 Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Snapshots available at http://www.crans.org/~chepelov/dia/snapshots *** Recent ChangeLog entries: --- ChangeLog.previous 2002-10-07 09:23:18.000000000 +0200 +++ dia-cvs-snapshot/ChangeLog 2002-10-08 09:23:05.000000000 +0200 @@ -1,3 +1,49 @@ +2002-10-07 Lars Clausen + + * lib/font.c (dia_font_init): Changed dia_font_init to return old + pango context, to allow stacked contexts (for printing while + antialiased). + + * lib/arrows.h + * lib/bezier_conn.h + * lib/beziershape.h + * lib/boundingbox.h + * lib/color.h + * lib/connection.h + * lib/connectionpoint.h + * lib/create.h + * lib/dia_image.h + * lib/diagdkrenderer.h + * lib/diagramdata.h + * lib/dialibartrenderer.h + * lib/diamenu.h + * lib/diarenderer.h + * lib/diasvgrenderer.h + * lib/diatransform.h + * lib/element.h + * lib/filter.h + * lib/focus.h + * lib/font.h + * lib/geometry.h + * lib/handle.h + * lib/neworth_conn.h + * lib/objchange.h + * lib/object.h + * lib/orth_conn.h + * lib/paper.h + * lib/plug-ins.h + * lib/poly_conn.h + * lib/polyshape.h + * lib/properties.h + * lib/ps-utf8.h + * lib/sheet.h + * lib/text.h + * lib/textattr.h + * lib/widgets.h + * lib/diatypes.h + Moved all externally visible struct typedefs into diatypes.h, as + per Hans' suggestions. + 2002-10-07 Steffen Macke * lib/Makefile.am: removed a '\' causing problems @@ -131,7 +177,7 @@ exhibit strange behaviour, will look at those later. Nah, let's not care about those, they are rare and not dangerous. -2002-09-26 Cyrille Chépélov +2002-09-26 Cyrille Chépélov * app/layer_dialog.c: * app/load_save.c: @@ -151,7 +197,7 @@ * objects/Misc/analog_clock.c: Added support for dynamic refresh (animated objects). -2002-09-25 Cyrille Chépélov +2002-09-25 Cyrille Chépélov Patch from Owen Taylor : * doc/en/Makefile.am: @@ -175,7 +221,7 @@ (Closes: #92061) -2002-09-24 Cyrille Chépélov +2002-09-24 Cyrille Chépélov * objects/custom/custom_object.c: * objects/custom/shape_info.[ch]: GE_TEXT display lists elements @@ -1172,7 +1218,7 @@ * lib/widgets.c: Total rehash of font selector, with font dialog option, expanding list (not LRU yet), and stuff. -2002-06-25 Cyrille Chépélov +2002-06-25 Cyrille Chépélov * lib/font.h: * lib/font.c: @@ -1572,7 +1618,7 @@ * objects/FS/flow-ortho.c (orthflow_get_object_menu): Menu sensitivity for deleting segments. -2002-06-12 Cyrille Chépélov +2002-06-12 Cyrille Chépélov * app/color_area.c: (color_area_events): * app/diagram.c: (diagram_destroy): @@ -1920,7 +1966,7 @@ * objects/UML/state.c: there was a (gratuitous?) change of on-XML format for the UML State object. Now there's a hack to reload older files, and get them converted on the fly. - Justyna BiaÅ‚a reported this. Thanks! + Justyna Biała reported this. Thanks! * lib/properties.h: * lib/propobject.c: @@ -1943,7 +1989,7 @@ 2002-05-26 Cyrille Chepelov - * INSTALL: added platform notes from MÃ¥rten Svantesson, for when + * INSTALL: added platform notes from MÃ¥rten Svantesson, for when using libtool on an AFS partition. * po/update_potfiles_in.sh: now simply calls the recent intltools @@ -1958,7 +2004,7 @@ (the usual suspects, in fact). * configure.in: improved the isinf() / isfinite() detection on - Solaris (MÃ¥rten Svantesson) + Solaris (MÃ¥rten Svantesson) 2002-05-25 Cyrille Chepelov @@ -2140,7 +2186,7 @@ * po/POTFILES.in: added app/sheets_dialog.c -2002-05-15 Cyrille Chépélov +2002-05-15 Cyrille Chépélov * lib/charconv.c: (charconv_local8_to_utf8), (charconv_utf8_to_local8): tweaked the warnings to get more @@ -4230,7 +4276,7 @@ 2001-08-14 Kjartan Maraas * sheets/*.sheet: Added some Norwegian translations (both nynorsk - and bokmÃ¥l). + and bokmÃ¥l). 2001-08-13 Cyrille Chepelov @@ -11043,7 +11089,7 @@ * dia_gnome_icon.png * dia_gnome_menu_icon.png * dia_logo.png - Graphics by Toussaint Frédéric . + Graphics by Toussaint Frédéric . * app/commands.c About dialog shows dia_logo.png. Removed the GNOME about dialog. @@ -11806,7 +11852,7 @@ * lib/text.c: Added flags to prevent crash with void strings -1999-02-07 Matthias Köster +1999-02-07 Matthias Köster * app/display.[ch]: Added statusbar to the display widget. Currently shows the zoom factor and modified flag of the viewed diagram. The statusbar is @@ -11987,7 +12033,7 @@ * app/display.[ch]: * app/modify_tool.c: Added autoscrolling while doing rubber-band select. - This patch from Matthias Köster + This patch from Matthias Köster (Matthias.Koester@Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE) From humgaling_isyou@hotmail.com Mon Oct 7 22:51:05 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from hotmail.com (f97.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.97]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B058B188DD for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 22:51:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 19:51:03 -0700 Received: from 203.28.240.20 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 02:51:03 GMT X-Originating-IP: [203.28.240.20] From: "Thomas Lau" To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: DIA - windows platform Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 10:51:03 +0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Oct 2002 02:51:03.0944 (UTC) FILETIME=[8AD81080:01C26E75] Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: To sir / madam: I would like to download DIA to draw flowchart diagram for my computing assignment. However my computer is a Windows ME base platform. Can I still manage to download it? Please reply as soon as possible. Thank you in advanced. With warm regards, Thomas Lau _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From aisaac@american.edu Tue Oct 8 10:58:59 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from notes-gw.american.edu (win06.american.edu [147.9.1.41]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22B5618164 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 10:58:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from JACKSONVILLE ([147.9.11.135]) by notes-gw.american.edu (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.10) with ESMTP id 2002100810585699:75872 ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 10:58:56 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 11:00:32 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: Alan G Isaac Subject: Re: DIA - windows platform To: dia-list@gnome.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Organization: American University X-Mailer: Mahogany 0.64.2 'Sparc', running under Windows NT 5.0 (build 2195) X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on NOTES-GW/AmericanU(Release 5.0.10 |March 22, 2002) at 10/08/2002 10:58:57 AM, Serialize by Router on NOTES-GW/AmericanU(Release 5.0.10 |March 22, 2002) at 10/08/2002 10:58:58 AM, Serialize complete at 10/08/2002 10:58:58 AM Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: INLINE Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Tue, 08 Oct 2002 10:51:03 +0800 Thomas Lau wrote: > I would like to download DIA to draw flowchart diagram for my computing > assignment. However my computer is a Windows ME base platform. Can I still > manage to download it? Please reply as soon as possible. Thank you in > advanced. Well I just typed Dia diagram windows into Google and got a good answer: http://dia-installer.sourceforge.net/ Alan Isaac From marc.schoechlin@t-online.de Tue Oct 8 12:57:08 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from mailout09.sul.t-online.com (mailout09.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.84]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 940EF189E5 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:57:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fwd00.sul.t-online.de by mailout09.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 17yxfP-00065i-09; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 18:57:07 +0200 Received: from t-online.de (520017751479-0001@[217.89.16.75]) by fmrl00.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 17yxfI-23D2lEC; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 18:57:00 +0200 Message-ID: <3DA30E5C.5090100@t-online.de> Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 18:57:00 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Marc_Sch=F6chlin?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020913 Debian/1.1-1 X-Accept-Language: de-de, de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: import-filter for iptables ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Sender: 520017751479-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi ! I'm often writing or modifying iptables-firewallscripts, but I miss a good possibility to make a graphical-documentation of these firewalls. There is a command which allows me to dump the actual firewall-configuration to a file. (iptables-save) I thought about writing a small piece of code to create a first simple .dia-file. I'm used to program in perl, but I have also some little experience in writing c-code. Does it make sense to include such a filter to dia - or is it more easy to write this in my used language ? The diagrams should look like this: There are rules which are grouped in chains. The rules should represented as text-boxes. These textboxes should be includes in a "named" chain. Iptables supports to jump to other chains - so I have to be able to make a magnetic line from one of the rule-textboxes to an certain chain. (the magnetic line should be able to be placed on the left or on the right side of the text) Are there some functonalities for automatic creation of such kind of charts ? Regards Marc Schöchlin From mdupont777@yahoo.com Tue Oct 8 13:25:51 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from web13304.mail.yahoo.com (web13304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.40]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3B34318427 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 13:25:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20021008172550.59318.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.202.25.243] by web13304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 10:25:50 PDT Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 10:25:50 -0700 (PDT) From: James Michael DuPont Subject: Re: import-filter for iptables ? To: dia-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <3DA30E5C.5090100@t-online.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: disclaimer: Here are just my ideas, not any offical statement of any nature: I think auto dia takes care of some of this. http://droogs.org/autodia/ and it is written in Perl, which is probablly good for handling iptables files.. and the best took that I use to do stuff like that. I think that dia could use a good perl binding anyway, but until I get around to doing that. The export filters that are used to filter the output could be easily turned around to make input filters. using popen("perl readthing.pl filename|") should do the trick.... Now there are issues with the autolayouting in dia, I have been thinking about the api between the autorouter/autolayouter and dia itself. I think we need tacks, glue, springs and rubber bands. You tack things down, use springs to keep them apart and rubber bands to put them togeather. These would be layout tools put onto a layout layer. Glue would stiffen rubber bands and springs to become non-flexible. Then you could use the randomizer to move non-pinned objects. My two euro cents, mike ===== James Michael DuPont http://introspector.sourceforge.net/ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From hans@enova.ch Tue Oct 8 13:45:19 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from marvin.nine.ch (marvin.nine.ch [213.144.137.130]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20F2118817 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 13:45:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malin.nine.ch (malin.nine.ch [213.144.137.137]) by marvin.nine.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id D129411408F for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 19:45:14 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 19:45:14 +0200 (CEST) From: Hans Fuchs X-X-Sender: gucky@marvin.nine.ch To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Fonts in german not found Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi My default LANG env is de_DE. When I start dia and put a UML Class on a sheet I get the message that helvetica-fett isn't found. I have helvetica-bold on my system, so I would have the font, since fett is bold. I looked for some help in the xfont programs, but I didn't find anything. What can I do? Where do I start to solve this problem? I don't even know if german systems normally have german fontnames. Best, Hans From hperes@po-box.mcgill.ca Tue Oct 8 13:20:04 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from trickle.cc.mcgill.ca (trickle.CC.McGill.CA [132.206.27.51]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBE20189F7 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 13:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rna.mcgill.ca (rna.McGill.CA [132.206.27.47]) by trickle.cc.mcgill.ca (8.12.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g98HK20x011174 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 13:20:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail.mcgill.ca (webmail.McGill.CA [132.206.27.44]) by rna.mcgill.ca (8.12.2/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g98HK2Ea008268; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 13:20:02 -0400 (EDT) X-WebMail-UserID: hperes Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 13:19:58 -0400 From: Hunter Peress To: dia-list , Marc Sch=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=F6chlin?= X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002913 Subject: RE: import-filter for iptables ? Message-ID: <3DB9664B@webmail.mcgill.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61.08 Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Im pretty new to dia, but I'll give u my comments. I dont think there is any type of data import feature now. Will there be any?? (dia people). Marc: what I did to import data is: 1. created a simple text box and rectangle; grouped them, and saved to a file. Then i gunzip'ed the dia save file, and u can see the XML format this way. 2. after a few minutes of studying, it will be pretty simple to see where the text goes. You can write a simple script to replicate as many of these box-text grouped objects as you want. Then u write to file, and use some good ol manual labor to organize. 3. I think your needs are too specific to dia, so its best u just put your work on some website and let google make the information public. So here's some extra tips: I had some data for each year 1975-2000. So on avg, i made needed 15 text/rectangle groups for each year. To make things easier, I then grouped ( just by adding ... (iirc) around each year). When i opened the file in dia, I then did a manual (by hand, for loop): for each year: Select a year ungroup it align it vertically-adjecent (this really makes the data easy to use). did whatever other organizing needed to be done. So with those simple steps, u can get very efficient. I'm actually going to work on a more automated way, more from me on that later. Don't bother changing the size of rectangles in the custom text import feature i described above, its far too complex. Thats that -Hunter. LARS: did u die or something?? >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Original Message From Marc Sch=F6chlin =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >Hi ! > >I'm often writing or modifying iptables-firewallscripts, but I miss a >good possibility >to make a graphical-documentation of these firewalls. > >There is a command which allows me to dump the actual firewall-configuration >to a file. (iptables-save) > >I thought about writing a small piece of code to create a first simple >.dia-file. > >I'm used to program in perl, but I have also some little experience in >writing c-code. > >Does it make sense to include such a filter to dia - or is it more easy to >write this in my used language ? > >The diagrams should look like this: > >There are rules which are grouped in chains. The rules should >represented as >text-boxes. These textboxes should be includes in a "named" chain. > >Iptables supports to jump to other chains - so I have to be able to make >a magnetic >line from one of the rule-textboxes to an certain chain. (the magnetic >line should be >able to be placed on the left or on the right side of the text) > >Are there some functonalities for automatic creation of such kind of >charts ? > >Regards > >Marc Sch=F6chlin > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Dia-list mailing list >Dia-list@gnome.org >http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list >FAQ at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia/faq.html >Main page at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia "One day, our computers and books were wiped away from us. Where would you start?" From horkana@tcd.ie Tue Oct 8 18:46:17 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BC982181C6 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 18:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 8 Oct 2002 23:46:13 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 23:46:08 +0100 (IST) From: Alan Horkan X-X-Sender: horkana@turing.maths.tcd.ie To: dia-list Cc: Marc Sch=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=F6chlin?= Subject: RE: import-filter for iptables ? In-Reply-To: <3DB9664B@webmail.mcgill.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > Subject: RE: import-filter for iptables ? > > Im pretty new to dia, but I'll give u my comments. > > I dont think there is any type of data import feature now. Will there be any?? > (dia people). I think time is more the problem than ability. if you want something specific file it in bugzilla, at least that way the next guy who asks or a programmer with an itch to scractch can know that there are people who will use a feature if it gets added. With Dia as much as any other open source/free software project new features are always welcome, the problem is getting them done and doing them well or at least doing them in a way that is maintainable. Im tired and i am not sure i am saying this as clearly as i could be but anyway if you are developer contribute somehow (i define developer very broadly from code to graphic design to localisation etc) and if you are not then encourage (guilt-trip) someone who is. > LARS: did u die or something?? he is probably just busy i should try and write some better Dia python bindings documentation so i can at least make more useful suggetsions about adding scripts and suchlike, but i have to find a job. Later Alan Horkan > >Does it make sense to include such a filter to dia - or is it more easy to > >write this in my used language ? From nemo@chepelov.org Wed Oct 9 03:28:05 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from chepelov.net1.nerim.net (chepelov.net1.nerim.net [62.212.101.212]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28ADF18773 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 03:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from muscat.intra.chepelov.org ([2001:7a8:1084::1]) by chepelov.net1.nerim.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17zBPq-0000oL-00 for ; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 09:37:58 +0200 Received: from cyrille by muscat.intra.chepelov.org with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 17zBG8-00017y-00 for ; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 09:27:56 +0200 Subject: Dia ChangeLog report for Wed Oct 9 07:23:02 2002 (UTC) X-Daemon-Owner: Cyrille Chepelov X-Send-Complaints-To: /dev/null X-Nemo-Version: 4 Message-Id: From: Dia ChangeLog Daemon To: dia-list@gnome.org Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 09:27:56 +0200 Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Snapshots available at http://www.crans.org/~chepelov/dia/snapshots *** Recent ChangeLog entries: --- ChangeLog.previous 2002-10-08 09:23:30.000000000 +0200 +++ dia-cvs-snapshot/ChangeLog 2002-10-09 09:23:07.000000000 +0200 @@ -1,3 +1,27 @@ +2002-10-08 Hans Breuer + + * app/render_gdk.c : don't add the InteractiveRenderer + interface multiple times (it's added to the type, not + the object) + * app/render_libart.c : dito. It's currently added + unconditional cause eport_png uses it, but claims + to be non-interactive. Probably set_size should be moved + to the DiaRenderer interface. + + * lib/dialibartrenderer.c : add implementations for + get__pixels. Libart rendering works again. + DiaLibartRenderer::draw_image : use dia_image_rowstride() + instead of width*3 + + * lib/diatransform.c(dia_transform_coords_double) : + don't ROUND() the returned values + + * plug-ins/pixbuf/pixbuf.c : added import function. It + simply creates a wrapping "Standard - Image" object. + + * plug-ins/shape/shape-export.c : use the more direct + method to call base class methods + 2002-10-07 Lars Clausen * lib/font.c (dia_font_init): Changed dia_font_init to return old From johan@ccs.neu.edu Tue Oct 8 22:03:02 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (amber.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.116.51]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A45E81815C for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 22:03:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sulafat.ccs.neu.edu (sulafat.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.117.167]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CB981AA37 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 22:01:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sulafat.ccs.neu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sulafat.ccs.neu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id F22F84DD31 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 22:01:44 -0400 (EDT) X-pgp-key-url: http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/johan/pgpkey X-pgp-fingerprint: B9 EF F6 16 B0 FA 1F 48 CE 37 37 9B A3 8F 7A B5 To: dia-list@gnome.org From: Johan Ovlinger Subject: issues: modal dialogs and uml arrows Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 22:01:44 -0400 Message-Id: <20021009020144.F22F84DD31@sulafat.ccs.neu.edu> Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi all. Dia is currently the most attractive free UML tool. Congrats to all. However, after a short period of use (less than 24 hrs) I have come accross a few niggles (v 0.90 compiled on stock redhat 7.2). 1) Prettiness: The association arrows in uml place the role-names too close to the arrow head, thus obscuring the first/last letters in the name by the arrow head. 2) Usability: The modal dialogs you get for classes and packages often pop up UNDER all other windows. Pan/Galeon (the only other apps that I use with dialogs) get them to pop up on top, so I suspect there is a wm hint that can be set somehow. At least there's no longer a segfault if you double click the object again (as there was in 0.88.1) 3) Usability: In aforementioned dialogs, pressing return Should act like clicking "OK". Since "Apply" is the default action (hrm) binding that to return would also be ok, but that doesn't happen either. 4) Usability (questionable): The shape selection reverts to arrow away after each use. F.ex, if I want to make several classes, I have to click on the class button, place the class, click on the class button again, place the next class... I would prefer the selection to be "sticky", so that I had to explicitly click on the arrow tool to be able to unselect class tool. Just a few niggles that I felt better aired than kept under wraps. I hope they're taken in the intendend spirit. Respectfully, Johan From simmlef@clcsnet.ksc.nasa.gov Wed Oct 9 07:51:22 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from kmail.ksc.nasa.gov (kmail.ksc.nasa.gov [128.159.174.102]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29D20181A2 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 07:51:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [163.206.64.150] by kmail.ksc.nasa.gov with ESMTP for dia-list@gnome.org; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 07:49:26 -0400 Received: from sunp20.ksc.nasa.gov (sunp20.ksc.nasa.gov [163.206.64.20]) by clcsmail.ksc.nasa.gov (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g99BnkS03664 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 07:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from clcsmail.ksc.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sunp20.ksc.nasa.gov (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g99BnkT02177 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 07:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3DA417DA.39EC643D@clcsmail.ksc.nasa.gov> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 07:49:46 -0400 From: Fred Simmler Organization: USA OMS/RCS X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Dia for Solaris 8 using CDE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Is it possible to install Dia on my system if I am running Solaris 8 and CDE? I don't have gnome (unfortunatly) because this is a corporate computer. Thanks, Fred Simmler From cyrille@chepelov.org Wed Oct 9 08:07:01 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from chepelov.net1.nerim.net (chepelov.net1.nerim.net [62.212.101.212]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4220018177 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 08:07:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from muscat.intra.chepelov.org ([2001:7a8:1084::1]) by chepelov.net1.nerim.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17zFlo-0002Gd-00 for ; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 14:16:56 +0200 Received: from cyrille by muscat.intra.chepelov.org with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 17zFc3-0001m5-00 for ; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 14:06:51 +0200 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:06:51 +0200 To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: issues: modal dialogs and uml arrows Message-ID: <20021009120651.GA6755@chepelov.org> Mail-Followup-To: dia-list@gnome.org References: <20021009020144.F22F84DD31@sulafat.ccs.neu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20021009020144.F22F84DD31@sulafat.ccs.neu.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Face: "99`N"mZV/:OLp[>#d3R;u.!ivtwAEpIQDL8rD#;L3Wm)~^)Uv=#;S!LZf1y8oRY7J#JR\Lr{*4Cn*32C89ln>0~5~tm--}j%hvhj+vtW> Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Le Tue, Oct 08, 2002, à 10:01:44PM -0400, Johan Ovlinger a écrit: > 1) Prettiness: The association arrows in uml place the role-names too > close to the arrow head, thus obscuring the first/last letters in > the name by the arrow head. I think this has been changed in CVS; can you give it a shot? > 2) Usability: The modal dialogs you get for classes and packages often > pop up UNDER all other windows. Pan/Galeon (the only other apps > that I use with dialogs) get them to pop up on top, so I suspect > there is a wm hint that can be set somehow. At least there's no > longer a segfault if you double click the object again (as there > was in 0.88.1) I have no idea, but I often have trouble with this kind of behaviour (especially with Mozilla). Can you see if Pan/Galeon actually *move* the mouse pointer when they pop a dialog up? > 3) Usability: In aforementioned dialogs, pressing return Should act > like clicking "OK". Since "Apply" is the default action (hrm) > binding that to return would also be ok, but that doesn't happen > either. Indeed. In fact, we should align with the HIG as much as possible (to the extent that we do not follow the brain-dead "lack of cancel and lack of OK button" like the GNOME2 control centre). > 4) Usability (questionable): The shape selection reverts to arrow away > after each use. F.ex, if I want to make several classes, I have to > click on the class button, place the class, click on the class > button again, place the next class... I would prefer the selection > to be "sticky", so that I had to explicitly click on the arrow tool > to be able to unselect class tool. There is a setting for that in the global prefs, and you can use the space bar as a shortcut between your last two tools. -- cyrille -- From cyrille@chepelov.org Wed Oct 9 08:09:53 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from chepelov.net1.nerim.net (chepelov.net1.nerim.net [62.212.101.212]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9298D181FD for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 08:09:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from muscat.intra.chepelov.org ([2001:7a8:1084::1]) by chepelov.net1.nerim.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17zFof-0002H5-00 for ; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 14:19:53 +0200 Received: from cyrille by muscat.intra.chepelov.org with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 17zFey-0001mh-00 for ; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 14:09:52 +0200 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:09:52 +0200 To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Dia for Solaris 8 using CDE Message-ID: <20021009120951.GB6755@chepelov.org> Mail-Followup-To: dia-list@gnome.org References: <3DA417DA.39EC643D@clcsmail.ksc.nasa.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <3DA417DA.39EC643D@clcsmail.ksc.nasa.gov> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Face: "99`N"mZV/:OLp[>#d3R;u.!ivtwAEpIQDL8rD#;L3Wm)~^)Uv=#;S!LZf1y8oRY7J#JR\Lr{*4Cn*32C89ln>0~5~tm--}j%hvhj+vtW> Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Le Wed, Oct 09, 2002, à 07:49:46AM -0400, Fred Simmler a écrit: > Is it possible to install Dia on my system if I am running Solaris 8 and > CDE? I don't have gnome (unfortunatly) because this is a corporate > computer. There is no major problem, provided you have the required libraries (GTK, libXML, etc.), as opposed to having the whole desktop environment (by "no major problem", I just mean that it's intended to work, it has worked, but it is possible that you encounter a micro-issue or two with the compiler switches or slight #include variations -- we don't have Solaris hardware to test regularly). If you don't have root, don't have the libraries, but have the compiler and space, you can compile the dependencies and install them with --prefix=/path/to/somewhere/you/have/control/and/space . -- Cyrille -- From johan@ccs.neu.edu Wed Oct 9 23:19:47 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (amber.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.116.51]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C01B8182A7 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 23:19:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sulafat.ccs.neu.edu (sulafat.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.117.167]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 223F41AA28 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 23:19:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sulafat.ccs.neu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sulafat.ccs.neu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C8E84DD31 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 23:19:46 -0400 (EDT) X-pgp-key-url: http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/johan/pgpkey X-pgp-fingerprint: B9 EF F6 16 B0 FA 1F 48 CE 37 37 9B A3 8F 7A B5 To: dia-list@gnome.org From: Johan Ovlinger in-reply-to: your message of Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:06:51 +0200 Subject: Re: issues: modal dialogs and uml arrows Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 23:19:46 -0400 Message-Id: <20021010031946.8C8E84DD31@sulafat.ccs.neu.edu> Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: quoth cyrille: > I think this has been changed in CVS; can you give it a shot? I didn't dare earlier, as I saw msg here about CVS being tinged with the black death or something. Where are the UML shapes stored? All I could find in /usr/local/share/dia was a few xpms and a uml sheet with i18n info. Weird. > Can you see if Pan/Galeon actually *move* the mouse pointer when > they pop a dialog up? No mouse warping, but the dialog DOES get focus. So do the popunders from dia, so that predicts nothing... > There is a setting for that in the global prefs, and you can use > the space bar as a shortcut between your last two tools. excellent! I take it that's the "reset tools after create" option? Johan From cyrille@chepelov.org Thu Oct 10 03:19:16 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from chepelov.net1.nerim.net (chepelov.net1.nerim.net [62.212.101.212]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC03D18137 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 03:19:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from muscat.intra.chepelov.org ([2001:7a8:1084::1]) by chepelov.net1.nerim.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17zXl5-0008K0-00 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:29:24 +0200 Received: from cyrille by muscat.intra.chepelov.org with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 17zXbF-0001VX-00 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:19:13 +0200 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:19:12 +0200 To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: issues: modal dialogs and uml arrows Message-ID: <20021010071912.GA5765@chepelov.org> Mail-Followup-To: dia-list@gnome.org References: <20021010031946.8C8E84DD31@sulafat.ccs.neu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20021010031946.8C8E84DD31@sulafat.ccs.neu.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Face: "99`N"mZV/:OLp[>#d3R;u.!ivtwAEpIQDL8rD#;L3Wm)~^)Uv=#;S!LZf1y8oRY7J#JR\Lr{*4Cn*32C89ln>0~5~tm--}j%hvhj+vtW> Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Le Wed, Oct 09, 2002, à 11:19:46PM -0400, Johan Ovlinger a écrit: > quoth cyrille: > > I think this has been changed in CVS; can you give it a shot? > > I didn't dare earlier, as I saw msg here about CVS being tinged with > the black death or something. Where are the UML shapes stored? All I > could find in /usr/local/share/dia was a few xpms and a uml sheet with > i18n info. Weird. Most UML objects are implemented in C, in $prefix/lib/dia/libuml*.so (source is in $top_srcdir/objects/UML) > > Can you see if Pan/Galeon actually *move* the mouse pointer when > > they pop a dialog up? > > No mouse warping, but the dialog DOES get focus. So do the popunders > from dia, so that predicts nothing... Hmmm. Interesting. > > There is a setting for that in the global prefs, and you can use > > the space bar as a shortcut between your last two tools. > > excellent! I take it that's the "reset tools after create" option? Yes. -- Cyrille -- From smk_bk@yahoo.com Thu Oct 10 05:39:47 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from web13902.mail.yahoo.com (web13902.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.28]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B1FA818114 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 05:39:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20021010093946.52699.qmail@web13902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [61.1.201.65] by web13902.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 02:39:46 PDT Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 02:39:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "S. Murali Krishnan" Subject: How to make shadow and More. To: dia-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org X-Reply-To: ismk@linuxfreemail.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, Iam a newbie to "Dia". You can answer any of the question here as much you can. Please ! 1.How I can give shadow to my objects. 2.Where I can find DTD for Dia file. 3.How I can Copy a layer ? Thanks in Advance. smk_bk@yahoo.com ===== S.Murali Krishna bk systems (p) Ltd. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From alla@lysator.liu.se Thu Oct 10 10:12:49 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (h106n2fls31o829.telia.com [213.66.192.106]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 313BC18B0E for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (IDENT:cz5HxQxcMYwE92NMzBLynQ5kcpanDRRK@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.5/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g9AEEMEB020310 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 16:14:22 +0200 Received: (from alex@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9AEEMKQ020308; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 16:14:22 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: alex set sender to alla@lysator.liu.se using -f Subject: [Fwd: more dia shapes] From: Alexander Larsson To: dia-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 (1.0.8-10) Date: 10 Oct 2002 16:14:21 +0200 Message-Id: <1034259261.12666.1.camel@greebo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----Forwarded Message----- From: Craig Small To: alla@lysator.liu.se Subject: more dia shapes Date: 10 Oct 2002 11:44:19 +1000 Hello, I've made some dia shapes, you can find them at http://www.enc.com.au/csmall/myscripts/diashapes.html - Craig -- Craig Small VK2XLZ GnuPG:1C1B D893 1418 2AF4 45EE 95CB C76C E5AC 12CA DFA5 Eye-Net Consulting http://www.enc.com.au/ MIEEE Debian developer From lrclause@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu Thu Oct 10 18:31:17 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (shasta.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.246.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99D72180DB for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id g9AMVGNj004504 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 17:31:16 -0500 Received: (from lrclause@localhost) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) id g9ADMhB2008603; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 08:22:43 -0500 Subject: Re: issues: modal dialogs and uml arrows To: dia-list@gnome.org References: <20021010031946.8C8E84DD31@sulafat.ccs.neu.edu> From: Lars Clausen Date: 10 Oct 2002 08:22:43 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20021010031946.8C8E84DD31@sulafat.ccs.neu.edu> Message-ID: <818z164ee4.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Lines: 25 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, 09 Oct 2002, Johan Ovlinger wrote: >=20 > quoth cyrille: >> >> Can you see if Pan/Galeon actually *move* the mouse pointer when >> they pop a dialog up? >=20 > No mouse warping, but the dialog DOES get focus. So do the popunders > from dia, so that predicts nothing... We just use gtk_widget_show/gtk_widget_hide to show and hide the dialog. And it's a gtk_dialog. We do one thing wm-related, namely: gtk_window_set_wmclass(GTK_WINDOW (dialog), "properties_window", "Dia"); in app/properties.c. Maybe remove that and see if it changes anything? -Lars --=20 Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| H=E5rdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |------------------------= ---- will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbas= ket? From lrclause@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu Thu Oct 10 18:31:57 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (shasta.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.246.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D927180DB for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:31:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id g9AMVGRj004504 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 17:31:57 -0500 Received: (from lrclause@localhost) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) id g98IXrSd015671; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 13:33:53 -0500 Subject: Re: Fonts in german not found To: dia-list@gnome.org References: From: Lars Clausen Date: 08 Oct 2002 13:33:53 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <81k7ksaige.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Lines: 28 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Tuesday, 8 October '02, Hans Fuchs wrote: > Hi >=20 > My default LANG env is de_DE. When I start dia and put a UML Class on a=20 > sheet I get the message that helvetica-fett isn't found. >=20 > I have helvetica-bold on my system, so I would have the font, since fett= =20 > is bold. >=20 > I looked for some help in the xfont programs, but I didn't find anything. > What can I do? Where do I start to solve this problem? >=20 > I don't even know if german systems normally have german fontnames. That's because the german translator erreneously translated the font name (helvetica-bold). The font system doesn't know how to translate 'fett' to 'bold'.=20=20 If you can recompile Dia, the easiest is to go into po/ge.po and undo the translation.=20=20 -Lars --=20 Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| H=E5rdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |------------------------= ---- will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbas= ket? From lrclause@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu Thu Oct 10 18:32:02 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (shasta.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.246.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D52180DB for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:32:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id g9AMVGSD004504 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 17:32:01 -0500 Received: (from lrclause@localhost) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) id g98EU5lA013603; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 09:30:05 -0500 Subject: Re: Dia ChangeLog report for Tue Oct 8 07:23:01 2002 (UTC) To: dia-list@gnome.org References: From: Lars Clausen Date: 08 Oct 2002 09:30:05 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <81d6qlknpu.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Lines: 18 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Tue, 08 Oct 2002, Dia ChangeLog Daemon wrote: > Snapshots available at http://www.crans.org/~chepelov/dia/snapshots >=20 > *** Recent ChangeLog entries: [...] > -2002-09-26 Cyrille Ch=E9p=E9lov > +2002-09-26 Cyrille Ch=C3=A9p=C3=A9lov Argh! Did ChangeLog stop being Unicode again? I'd just convinced Emacs that Unicode is good. -Lars --=20 Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| H=E5rdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |------------------------= ---- will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbas= ket? From lrclause@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu Thu Oct 10 18:32:21 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (shasta.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.246.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE67118AFF for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:32:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id g9AMVGTl004504 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 17:32:20 -0500 Received: (from lrclause@localhost) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) id g97KWna6007924; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 15:32:49 -0500 Subject: Re: Don't cvs update now, if ... To: dia-list@gnome.org References: <3.0.5.32.20021007013803.008bbd30@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> <3.0.5.32.20021006203612.007db340@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> <3.0.5.32.20021007013803.008bbd30@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> <3.0.5.32.20021007220049.00b3dc50@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> From: Lars Clausen Date: 07 Oct 2002 15:32:49 -0500 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20021007220049.00b3dc50@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> Message-ID: <81it0eat1q.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Lines: 48 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Monday, 7 October '02, Hans Breuer wrote: > At 18:50 07.10.02 +0200, Steffen Macke wrote: >>Trying to compile, I get a lot >>of "redefinition of ..." errors. >=20 > Sorry for the incovenience. The M$ compiler docs claim this construct to > be correct (there is no warning at all for the redefinition and at least > for C++ this is standard conform :) See : > http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=3D/library/en-us/vclang= 98/ht > ml/_pluslang_redeclaration_of_typedef_names.asp For ANSI C, declarator identifiers have to be unique (see K&R 2.ed p216 and 219). So it's a no-no. >>Should the lines like >> >>typedef struct _DiaRenderer DiaRenderer;=20 >> >>be replaced by matching #include statements? >> > this would give the 'circular header dependencies', e.g. object.h > needs to include diarenderer.h and vice versa, which I tried to=20 > avoid. IMO the best solution would be a dia-types.h file only > to define the common typedef's something like >=20 > #ifndef DIA_TYPES_H > #define DIA_TYPES_H > typedef struct _Layer Layer; > typedef struct _DiagramData DiagramData; > typedef struct _DiaRenderer DiaRenderer; > #endif >=20 > This would allow to pass partly known 'class' pointers without > exposing any details of the concrete class definitions. >=20 > What do others think about this ? There are several instances of circular includes because of structures needing to know the size of types. Having a separate dia-types.h (or just types.h) should get us rid of most, if not all, circularities.=20=20 -Lars --=20 Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| H=E5rdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |------------------------= ---- will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbas= ket? From lrclause@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu Thu Oct 10 18:32:10 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (shasta.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.246.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AA1C180DB for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:32:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id g9AMVGTB004504 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 17:32:09 -0500 Received: (from lrclause@localhost) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) id g982RqCi009683; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 21:27:52 -0500 Subject: Re: Don't cvs update now, if ... To: dia-list@gnome.org References: <3.0.5.32.20021007013803.008bbd30@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> <3.0.5.32.20021006203612.007db340@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> <3.0.5.32.20021007013803.008bbd30@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> <3.0.5.32.20021007220049.00b3dc50@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> From: Lars Clausen Date: 07 Oct 2002 21:27:52 -0500 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20021007220049.00b3dc50@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> Message-ID: <81ptulll5j.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Lines: 27 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, 07 Oct 2002, Hans Breuer wrote: > IMO the best solution would be a dia-types.h file only > to define the common typedef's something like >=20 > #ifndef DIA_TYPES_H > #define DIA_TYPES_H > typedef struct _Layer Layer; > typedef struct _DiagramData DiagramData; > typedef struct _DiaRenderer DiaRenderer; > #endif >=20 > This would allow to pass partly known 'class' pointers without > exposing any details of the concrete class definitions. Looking more at it, I totally agree with this approach, consider it something that should have been done a while ago, and have added it to CVS (diatypes.h and relevant changes in the other .h's). All the 'original' .h files include that one, so the outside should be happy. Now to see what else breaks. -Lars --=20 Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| H=E5rdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |------------------------= ---- will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbas= ket? From hu.peress@mail.mcgill.ca Thu Oct 10 19:26:48 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from txsmtp02.texas.rr.com (smtp2.texas.rr.com [24.93.36.230]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40200180DB for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 19:26:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (cs6625175-189.austin.rr.com [66.25.175.189]) by txsmtp02.texas.rr.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g9ANQ8no000625 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 19:26:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Lars..hmmm From: Hunter Peress To: dia-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <81ptulll5j.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> References: <3.0.5.32.20021007013803.008bbd30@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> <3.0.5.32.20021006203612.007db340@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> <3.0.5.32.20021007013803.008bbd30@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> <3.0.5.32.20021007220049.00b3dc50@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> <81ptulll5j.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.5 Date: 10 Oct 2002 18:30:18 -0500 Message-Id: <1034292618.614.52.camel@HillCountryPeress> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: you know lars, i JUST got an email from you dated as sent on " On Mon, 2002-10-07 at 21:27, Lars Clausen wrote:08 Oct 2002 09:27:34 -0500". Also, 5 of your emails JUST seem to have been dropped by the list. So it SEEMS as if both the list and me are seeing your emails late. Kick some illinois ass! > On Mon, 07 Oct 2002, Hans Breuer wrote: > > IMO the best solution would be a dia-types.h file only > > to define the common typedef's something like > >=20 > > #ifndef DIA_TYPES_H > > #define DIA_TYPES_H > > typedef struct _Layer Layer; > > typedef struct _DiagramData DiagramData; > > typedef struct _DiaRenderer DiaRenderer; > > #endif > >=20 > > This would allow to pass partly known 'class' pointers without > > exposing any details of the concrete class definitions. >=20 > Looking more at it, I totally agree with this approach, consider it > something that should have been done a while ago, and have added it to CV= S > (diatypes.h and relevant changes in the other .h's). All the 'original' = .h > files include that one, so the outside should be happy. Now to see what > else breaks. >=20 > -Lars >=20 > --=20 > Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| H=E5rdgrim of Numenor > "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |----------------------= ------ > will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, a= nd > --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handb= asket? > _______________________________________________ > Dia-list mailing list > Dia-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list > FAQ at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia/faq.html > Main page at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia >=20 >=20 From levi@bard.sytes.net Thu Oct 10 20:00:51 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from snoopy.augie.edu (6535240hfc119.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.240.119]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 853F4180DB for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 20:00:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Tak (tak.augie.edu [192.168.21.2]) by snoopy.augie.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id F36F65F26 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 19:55:29 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 20:57:21 -0400 From: Levi Bard To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Don't cvs update now, if ... Message-Id: <20021010205721.710da875.levi@bard.sytes.net> In-Reply-To: <81it0eat1q.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> References: <3.0.5.32.20021007013803.008bbd30@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> <3.0.5.32.20021006203612.007db340@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> <3.0.5.32.20021007013803.008bbd30@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> <3.0.5.32.20021007220049.00b3dc50@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> <81it0eat1q.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.3 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > > Sorry for the incovenience. The M$ compiler docs claim this construct to > > be correct (there is no warning at all for the redefinition and at least > > for C++ this is standard conform :) See : > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/vclang98/ht > > ml/_pluslang_redeclaration_of_typedef_names.asp > > For ANSI C, declarator identifiers have to be unique (see K&R 2.ed p216 and > 219). So it's a no-no. Incidentally, why are we referring to the Microsoft compiler docs as evidence of the standard? Levi From lrclause@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu Thu Oct 10 23:36:24 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (shasta.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.246.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C636E180E5 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 23:36:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id g9B3aNNd006616 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 22:36:23 -0500 Received: (from lrclause@localhost) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) id g9B3aNFY006612; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 22:36:23 -0500 Subject: Re: Lars..hmmm To: dia-list@gnome.org References: <3.0.5.32.20021007013803.008bbd30@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> <3.0.5.32.20021006203612.007db340@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> <3.0.5.32.20021007013803.008bbd30@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> <3.0.5.32.20021007220049.00b3dc50@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> <81ptulll5j.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> <1034292618.614.52.camel@HillCountryPeress> From: Lars Clausen Date: 10 Oct 2002 22:36:23 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1034292618.614.52.camel@HillCountryPeress> Message-ID: <81y9953avc.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Lines: 24 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 10 Oct 2002, Hunter Peress wrote: > you know lars, i JUST got an email from you dated as sent on " > On Mon, 2002-10-07 at 21:27, Lars Clausen wrote:08 Oct 2002 09:27:34 > -0500". >=20 > Also, 5 of your emails JUST seem to have been dropped by the list. >=20 > So it SEEMS as if both the list and me are seeing your emails late. Yeah, I had a misconfiguration of sendmail when trying to secure it more -- it became a little too secure, so a lot of my mails were delayed. > Kick some illinois ass! I will, this Saturday I will be fighting at Oktoberfest. Me and my fellow spearmen will kick a lot of ass. -Lars --=20 Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| H=E5rdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |------------------------= ---- will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbas= ket? From aisaac@american.edu Fri Oct 11 00:10:29 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from notes-gw.american.edu (mailout.american.edu [147.9.1.41]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 340BE18157 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 00:10:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from JACKSONVILLE ([147.9.11.172]) by notes-gw.american.edu (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.10) with ESMTP id 2002101100102779:26990 ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 00:10:27 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 00:12:16 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: Alan G Isaac Subject: transparency as default To: dia-list@gnome.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Organization: American University X-Mailer: Mahogany 0.64.2 'Sparc', running under Windows NT 5.0 (build 2195) X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on NOTES-GW/AmericanU(Release 5.0.10 |March 22, 2002) at 10/11/2002 12:10:28 AM, Serialize by Router on NOTES-GW/AmericanU(Release 5.0.10 |March 22, 2002) at 10/11/2002 12:10:29 AM, Serialize complete at 10/11/2002 12:10:29 AM Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: INLINE Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Today I needed to draw a diagram where the objects were transparent (i.e., set property to 'draw background: No'). i. Transparency is mentioned briefly in the docs but achieving it is not discussed. I found the relevant dialogue by trial and error. ii. I could not find out how to make it the default for new objects. Looking in preferences, I expected to find 'object defaults' next to 'diagram defaults', but it was not there. So I had to change each object separately. How can I (temporarily) make this the default? Thanks, Alan Isaac From Tim.Ellis@gamet.com Fri Oct 11 00:21:40 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from linuxmail.lgsinc.com (unknown [12.22.4.163]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 901C2180E5 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 00:21:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from timetop (IDENT:p+KssXVeFcGNNvXN+uGslK/8o3btZhb+@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by linuxmail.lgsinc.com (8.11.6/8.8.7) with SMTP id g9B4LfS22392; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:21:41 -0700 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:18:59 -0700 From: Tim Ellis To: dia-list@gnome.org Cc: lrclause@cs.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: Lars..hmmm Message-Id: <20021010211859.0bdc1ef5.Tim.Ellis@gamet.com> In-Reply-To: <81y9953avc.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> References: <3.0.5.32.20021007013803.008bbd30@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> <3.0.5.32.20021006203612.007db340@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> <3.0.5.32.20021007013803.008bbd30@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> <3.0.5.32.20021007220049.00b3dc50@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> <81ptulll5j.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> <1034292618.614.52.camel@HillCountryPeress> <81y9953avc.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Organization: Gamet X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i586-mandrake-linux-gnu) X-WerdupHomey: 3.14159265358979323 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > > Kick some illinois ass! > > I will, this Saturday I will be fighting at Oktoberfest. Me and my > fellow spearmen will kick a lot of ass. Spearmen? List: in case I ever get in too heated a debate w/ Lars, please privately remind me to tone it down. -- Tim Ellis (bad visions of Apocalypse Now run through my head...) From ashalper@acm.org Fri Oct 11 00:45:38 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BCED180E5 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 00:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from h-66-167-130-119.phndaz91.covad.net ([66.167.130.119] helo=rocket) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17zrg5-0000MR-00 for dia-list@gnome.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:45:33 -0700 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 11:19:41 -0700 From: Andrew S Halper To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: help with compile error in current CVS Message-ID: <20021010111941.A15138@rocket> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Balsa 1.2.4 Lines: 15 Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Anyone else seeing this in CVS? gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I../../intl -I./../../lib -I/usr/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/libxml2 -I/usr/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/include/libxml2/libxml -I/usr/include/libxml2 -g -O2 -Wall -Wunused -Winline -Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations -finline-functions -fstrict-aliasing -Wp,-MD,.deps/cgm.pp -c cgm.c -fPIC -DPIC -o cgm.lo In file included from cgm.c:36: ../../lib/render.h:21: #error "The old Renderer is dead." make[3]: *** [cgm.lo] Error 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/ashalper/dia/plug-ins/cgm' make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/ashalper/dia/plug-ins' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/ashalper/dia' make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 Thanks, Andy From lrclause@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu Fri Oct 11 00:59:34 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (shasta.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.246.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A63F91818A for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 00:59:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id g9B4xWNd006996 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 23:59:32 -0500 Received: (from lrclause@localhost) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) id g9B4xWvI006992; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 23:59:32 -0500 Subject: Re: Lars..hmmm To: dia-list@gnome.org References: <3.0.5.32.20021007013803.008bbd30@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> <3.0.5.32.20021006203612.007db340@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> <3.0.5.32.20021007013803.008bbd30@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> <3.0.5.32.20021007220049.00b3dc50@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> <81ptulll5j.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> <1034292618.614.52.camel@HillCountryPeress> <81y9953avc.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> <20021010211859.0bdc1ef5.Tim.Ellis@gamet.com> From: Lars Clausen Date: 10 Oct 2002 23:59:32 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20021010211859.0bdc1ef5.Tim.Ellis@gamet.com> Message-ID: <81u1jt370r.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Lines: 22 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Tim Ellis wrote: >> > Kick some illinois ass! >>=20 >> I will, this Saturday I will be fighting at Oktoberfest. Me and my >> fellow spearmen will kick a lot of ass. >=20 > Spearmen? See the Swordfighting part of my homepage. > List: in case I ever get in too heated a debate w/ Lars, please privately > remind me to tone it down. *grin* -Lars --=20 Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| H=E5rdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |------------------------= ---- will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbas= ket? From lrclause@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu Fri Oct 11 01:01:11 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (shasta.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.246.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E32D185B4 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 01:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id g9B51BNd007013 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 00:01:11 -0500 Received: (from lrclause@localhost) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) id g9B51Bvo007009; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 00:01:11 -0500 Subject: Re: transparency as default To: dia-list@gnome.org References: From: Lars Clausen Date: 11 Oct 2002 00:01:11 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <81ptuh36y0.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Lines: 31 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, Alan G. Isaac wrote: > Today I needed to draw a diagram where > the objects were transparent (i.e., > set property to 'draw background: No'). >=20 > i. Transparency is mentioned briefly in > the docs but achieving it is not discussed. > I found the relevant dialogue by trial > and error. >=20 > ii. I could not find out how to make it > the default for new objects. Looking in > preferences, I expected to find 'object > defaults' next to 'diagram defaults', but > it was not there. So I had to change each > object separately. >=20 > How can I (temporarily) make this the default? For each object type, you can double-click the icon in the toolbox to bring up the defaults dialog for that. Of course, if you want transparent background for different kinds of objects, you have to set that for each kind. And it's not temporary, but can be set back the same way. -Lars --=20 Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| H=E5rdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |------------------------= ---- will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbas= ket? From lrclause@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu Fri Oct 11 01:02:38 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (shasta.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.246.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E58AE18B5F for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 01:02:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id g9B52bNd007065 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 00:02:37 -0500 Received: (from lrclause@localhost) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) id g9B52bbC007061; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 00:02:37 -0500 Subject: Re: help with compile error in current CVS To: dia-list@gnome.org References: <20021010111941.A15138@rocket> From: Lars Clausen Date: 11 Oct 2002 00:02:37 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20021010111941.A15138@rocket> Message-ID: <81lm5536vm.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Lines: 26 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Andrew S. Halper wrote: > Anyone else seeing this in CVS? >=20 > gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I../../intl -I./../../lib -I/usr/inc= lude/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/inclu= de/pango-1.0 -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/g= lib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/libxml2 -I/usr/include/l= ibart-2.0 -I/usr/include/libxml2/libxml -I/usr/include/libxml2 -g -O2 -Wall= -Wunused -Winline -Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations -finline-fun= ctions -fstrict-aliasing -Wp,-MD,.deps/cgm.pp -c cgm.c -fPIC -DPIC -o cgm.= lo > In file included from cgm.c:36: > ../../lib/render.h:21: #error "The old Renderer is dead." > make[3]: *** [cgm.lo] Error 1 > make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/ashalper/dia/plug-ins/cgm' > make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/ashalper/dia/plug-ins' > make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/ashalper/dia' > make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 Yes. The various plug-in exporters haven't been converted to the new renderer system. If you want to convert them, great! Look at lib/diagdkrenderer.[ch] for how. Otherwise, you can take those subdirs out of plug-ins/Makefile.am to not compile them for now. -Lars --=20 Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| H=E5rdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |------------------------= ---- will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbas= ket? From phillipmastroianni@shaw.ca Fri Oct 11 02:52:27 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from pd6mo1so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 125F5180E5 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 02:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pd3mr4so.prod.shaw.ca (pd3mr4so-ser.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.180]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H3T00N421PY52@l-daemon> for dia-list@gnome.org; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 00:51:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shaw.ca (pd6ms2so-con.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.122.102]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H3T0097G1PY6I@l-daemon> for dia-list@gnome.org; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 00:51:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.0.142.60] by pd6ims2.prod.shaw.ca (mshttpd); Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:51:34 +0800 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:51:34 +0800 From: phillipmastroianni@shaw.ca Subject: help with building 0.90 To: dia-list@gnome.org Message-id: <15a30dc83.dc8315a30@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.1 HotFix 0.6 (built Apr 26 2002) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hello I am a relative newbie at this so please bear with me. I retrieved the sources and I want to build the latest verision of dia. The following is the output I am getting : config.status: creating po/Makefile Configuration: Source code location: . Compiler: gcc Libart (AA rendering, png export): yes Gnome support: yes Build bonobo component (not supported): no Gnome-print support (not recommended): no Python support: no (LIMITED) Freetype support: no Now type make to build dia. + make make all-recursive make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/dia-0.90' Making all in lib make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/dia-0.90/lib' gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I../intl -I/usr/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/include/libxml2 -I/usr/include -DNEED_GNOMESUPPORT_H -I/usr/lib/gnome-libs/include -I/usr/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -DDIA_SHEETDIR=\"/usr/share/dia/sheets\" -DUNICODE_USE_SYSTEM_ICONV -DLIBDIR=\"/usr/lib\" -DDATADIR=\"/usr/share/dia\" -I/usr/include/libxml2 -O2 -march=i386 -mcpu=i686 -Wall -Wunused -Winline -Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations -finline-functions -fstrict-aliasing -c diagramdata.c gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I../intl -I/usr/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/include/libxml2 -I/usr/include -DNEED_GNOMESUPPORT_H -I/usr/lib/gnome-libs/include -I/usr/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -DDIA_SHEETDIR=\"/usr/share/dia/sheets\" -DUNICODE_USE_SYSTEM_ICONV -DLIBDIR=\"/usr/lib\" -DDATADIR=\"/usr/share/dia\" -I/usr/include/libxml2 -O2 -march=i386 -mcpu=i686 -Wall -Wunused -Winline -Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations -finline-functions -fstrict-aliasing -c geometry.c gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I../intl -I/usr/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/include/libxml2 -I/usr/include -DNEED_GNOMESUPPORT_H -I/usr/lib/gnome-libs/include -I/usr/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -DDIA_SHEETDIR=\"/usr/share/dia/sheets\" -DUNICODE_USE_SYSTEM_ICONV -DLIBDIR=\"/usr/lib\" -DDATADIR=\"/usr/share/dia\" -I/usr/include/libxml2 -O2 -march=i386 -mcpu=i686 -Wall -Wunused -Winline -Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations -finline-functions -fstrict-aliasing -c color.c gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I../intl -I/usr/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/include/libxml2 -I/usr/include -DNEED_GNOMESUPPORT_H -I/usr/lib/gnome-libs/include -I/usr/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -DDIA_SHEETDIR=\"/usr/share/dia/sheets\" -DUNICODE_USE_SYSTEM_ICONV -DLIBDIR=\"/usr/lib\" -DDATADIR=\"/usr/share/dia\" -I/usr/include/libxml2 -O2 -march=i386 -mcpu=i686 -Wall -Wunused -Winline -Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations -finline-functions -fstrict-aliasing -c dia_xml.c dia_xml.c:28:20: parser.h: No such file or directory dia_xml.c:29:29: parserInternals.h: No such file or directory dia_xml.c:30:23: xmlmemory.h: No such file or directory In file included from dia_xml.c:40: dia_xml_libxml.h:24:18: tree.h: No such file or directory dia_xml_libxml.h:25:20: parser.h: No such file or directory dia_xml.c:488:84: warning: pasting would not give a valid preprocessing token dia_xml.c:504:86: warning: pasting would not give a valid preprocessing token make[2]: *** [dia_xml.o] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/dia-0.90/lib' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/dia-0.90' make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.64278 (%build) I think I am missing a library on my computer. Any assistance would be appreciated Thanks From mdupont777@yahoo.com Fri Oct 11 06:47:14 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C4C2A18121 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 06:47:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20021011104713.9550.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.202.25.243] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 03:47:13 PDT Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 03:47:13 -0700 (PDT) From: James Michael DuPont Subject: Re: help with building 0.90 To: dia-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <15a30dc83.dc8315a30@shaw.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --- phillipmastroianni@shaw.ca wrote: > Hello I am a relative newbie at this so please bear > with me. I retrieved the sources and I want to > build the latest verision of dia. The following is > the output I am getting : It looks like you are missing libxml2 > dia_xml.c:28:20: parser.h: No such file or directory > dia_xml.c:29:29: parserInternals.h: No such file or > directory > dia_xml.c:30:23: xmlmemory.h: No such file or directory > In file included from dia_xml.c:40: xmlmemory.h is located in libxml2, just google for the filename and you will find that. do you have a "/usr/include/libxml2"? is it located somewhere else? mike ===== James Michael DuPont http://introspector.sourceforge.net/ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From horkana@tcd.ie Fri Oct 11 09:24:38 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1598B18C18 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:24:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 11 Oct 2002 14:24:37 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:24:36 +0100 (IST) From: Alan Horkan X-X-Sender: horkana@turing.maths.tcd.ie To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: How to make shadow and More. In-Reply-To: <20021010093946.52699.qmail@web13902.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, S. Murali Krishnan wrote: > Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 02:39:46 -0700 (PDT) > From: S. Murali Krishnan > Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org > To: dia-list@gnome.org > Subject: How to make shadow and More. > > Hi, > Iam a newbie to "Dia". You can answer any of the > question here as much you can. Please ! There is now automatic way to make a shadow. All a shadow reallys is, is a copy of the same object in a dark color and placed behind the current object. It is easy enough to fake it. > 1.How I can give shadow to my objects. > 2.Where I can find DTD for Dia file. i cant remember the official answer for this i dont want to give you a vague answer so you will have to be patient and hope someone else answers this or check the archives as i know it has been asked before. > 3.How I can Copy a layer ? I dont understand this question. Dia is a vector graphics program, the concept of layers applys more to a bitmaps and raster graphics programs like the Gimp. Each object is in effect on a layer of its own. If you could explain further what you are trying to do (move a group of shapes? select more than one shape?) rather than how you are trying to do it (Layers) then i might be able to give a better answer. > S.Murali Krishna > bk systems (p) Ltd. > Dia-list mailing list > Dia-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list > FAQ at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia/faq.html > Main page at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia Sincerely Alan Horkan http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ From aisaac@american.edu Fri Oct 11 09:55:04 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from notes-gw.american.edu (mailout.american.edu [147.9.1.41]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 888EA18149 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:55:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from JACKSONVILLE ([147.9.11.131]) by notes-gw.american.edu (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.10) with ESMTP id 2002101109550388:38197 ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:55:03 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:56:54 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: Alan G Isaac Subject: Re[2]: transparency as default To: dia-list@gnome.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <81ptuh36y0.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> In-Reply-To: <81ptuh36y0.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Organization: American University X-Mailer: Mahogany 0.64.2 'Sparc', running under Windows NT 5.0 (build 2195) X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on NOTES-GW/AmericanU(Release 5.0.10 |March 22, 2002) at 10/11/2002 09:55:04 AM, Serialize by Router on NOTES-GW/AmericanU(Release 5.0.10 |March 22, 2002) at 10/11/2002 09:55:05 AM, Serialize complete at 10/11/2002 09:55:05 AM Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: INLINE Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 11 Oct 2002 00:01:11 -0500 Lars Clausen wrote: > For each object type, you can double-click the icon in the toolbox to bring > up the defaults dialog for that. Of course, if you want transparent > background for different kinds of objects, you have to set that for each > kind. And it's not temporary, but can be set back the same way. This works quite nicely. Thanks! Alan From mcraveiro@ndsuk.com Fri Oct 11 10:21:24 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from tempest.uk.nds.com (unknown [194.202.59.31]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A59B18C33 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:21:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tempest.chil.ndsuk.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <421R9M41>; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 15:21:24 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Craveiro, Marco" To: 'Dia mailinglist' Subject: long method signatures in uml class diagrams Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 15:21:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C27131.77C831A0" Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C27131.77C831A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" [please disregard this message if another copy was already received] hello dia hackers, many thanks for a very useful program. i have a problem that must be common to all dia uml users but for the life of me i cannot find any entries on your mailing list archive or faq. basically i am using dia to document a fairly large and complex c++ project and a lot of the methods have really long signatures. what i want to know is: is it possible to insert line breaks on the rendering of the diagram? the classes are so large that the diagram is unreadable... thanks! soup -- dna.h: #include /* god */ ------_=_NextPart_001_01C27131.77C831A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable long method signatures in uml class diagrams

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hello dia hackers,

many thanks for a very useful program. = i have a problem that must be common to all dia uml users but for the = life of me i cannot find

any entries on your mailing list = archive or faq. basically i am using dia to document a fairly large and = complex c++ project and a lot of the

methods have really long signatures. = what i want to know is: is it possible to insert line breaks on the = rendering of the diagram?

the classes are so large that the = diagram is unreadable...

thanks!

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C27131.77C831A0-- From horkana@tcd.ie Fri Oct 11 11:46:14 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8149618C83 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 11 Oct 2002 16:46:12 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 16:46:12 +0100 (IST) From: Alan Horkan X-X-Sender: horkana@turing.maths.tcd.ie To: 'Dia mailinglist' Subject: Re: long method signatures in uml class diagrams In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, Craveiro, Marco wrote: > Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 15:21:19 +0100 > From: "Craveiro, Marco" > Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org > To: 'Dia mailinglist' > Subject: long method signatures in uml class diagrams > > [please disregard this message if another copy was already received] > hello dia hackers, > > many thanks for a very useful program. i have a problem that must be common > to all dia uml users but for the life of me i cannot find > any entries on your mailing list archive or faq. basically i am using dia to > document a fairly large and complex c++ project and a lot of the > methods have really long signatures. what i want to know is: is it possible > to insert line breaks on the rendering of the diagram? > the classes are so large that the diagram is unreadable... I tried editing the Dia file but instead of line breaks they came out as blank boxes to represent an unknown character [] I was slightly surprised that the Text object in Dia decides line breaks based on there being line breaks in the actual file itself rather than a having some sort of a tag to specify a newline. I would suggest that you file a feature request but I think there are several generalised bugs about text, object resising and group that if fixed would solve your problem which is really just symptomatic of some of the features of Dia. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59881 Sincerely Alan Horkan From aisaac@american.edu Fri Oct 11 12:28:00 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from notes-gw.american.edu (mailout.american.edu [147.9.1.41]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 175C9180F3 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:28:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from JACKSONVILLE ([147.9.11.193]) by notes-gw.american.edu (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.10) with ESMTP id 2002101112275721:45451 ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:27:57 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:29:49 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: Alan G Isaac Subject: Re[2]: How to make shadow and More. To: dia-list@gnome.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Organization: American University X-Mailer: Mahogany 0.64.2 'Sparc', running under Windows NT 5.0 (build 2195) X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on NOTES-GW/AmericanU(Release 5.0.10 |March 22, 2002) at 10/11/2002 12:27:58 PM, Serialize by Router on NOTES-GW/AmericanU(Release 5.0.10 |March 22, 2002) at 10/11/2002 12:27:59 PM, Serialize complete at 10/11/2002 12:27:59 PM Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: INLINE Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:24:36 +0100 (IST) Alan Horkan wrote: > Dia is a vector graphics program, the concept of layers applys more to > a bitmaps and raster graphics programs like the Gimp. > Each object is in effect on a layer of its own. There must be a vocabulary difference here. In the docs they are called Layers. Also you get at them by picking Dialogs/Layers. And they are a very cool feature. (But I do not know how to copy a layer.) Cheers, Alan From hans@breuer.org Fri Oct 11 12:32:11 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from mailrelay2.lrz-muenchen.de (mailrelay2.lrz-muenchen.de [129.187.254.102]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FC8D18C85; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:32:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [141.84.26.123] by mailout.lrz-muenchen.de; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 18:32:08 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021011182141.00a17100@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> X-Sender: h_breuer@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 18:21:41 +0200 To: dia-list@gnome.org From: Hans Breuer Subject: Re: How to make shadow and More. Cc: dia-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: References: <20021010093946.52699.qmail@web13902.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: At 14:24 11.10.02 +0100, Alan Horkan wrote: > > >On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, S. Murali Krishnan wrote: > >>[...] >> 2.Where I can find DTD for Dia file. > >i cant remember the official answer for this i dont want to give you a >vague answer so you will have to be patient and hope someone else answers >this or check the archives as i know it has been asked before. > dia/doc/*.dtd >> 3.How I can Copy a layer ? AFAIK there is no direct Copy Layer function. So you either need to send a patch or take the manuel road to select objects, copy, create layer, paste. > >I dont understand this question. >Dia is a vector graphics program, the concept of layers applys more to >a bitmaps and raster graphics programs like the Gimp. > Nope. See Dialogs/Layers >Each object is in effect on a layer of its own. > Nope. >If you could explain further what you are trying to do (move a group of >shapes? select more than one shape?) rather than how you >are trying to do it (Layers) then i might be able to give a better answer. > >> S.Murali Krishna >> bk systems (p) Ltd. > >> Dia-list mailing list >> Dia-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list >> FAQ at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia/faq.html >> Main page at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia > >Sincerely > >Alan Horkan >http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ > > >_______________________________________________ >Dia-list mailing list >Dia-list@gnome.org >http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list >FAQ at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia/faq.html >Main page at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia > > -------- Hans "at" Breuer "dot" Org ----------- Tell me what you need, and I'll tell you how to get along without it. -- Dilbert From horkana@tcd.ie Fri Oct 11 12:35:48 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2300D18C50 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:35:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 11 Oct 2002 17:35:47 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 17:35:46 +0100 (IST) From: Alan Horkan X-X-Sender: horkana@turing.maths.tcd.ie To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re[2]: How to make shadow and More. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Ooops my bad "False Authority Syndrome" Okay so you have layers. The Dialog has new page icon and up and down arrows. To me this seems a little redundant in a vector graphics program, i would have used a combination of groups and moving objects using Send to Back, and Bring to Front. I suppose you might use layers to set a background image and put it in a seperate layer and not have it get in the way of your drawing. On second thoughts you might accidentally select it and you might want to send an object to the back but not back behind the background image. What was the original question agian? On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, Alan G Isaac wrote: > Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:29:49 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) > From: Alan G Isaac > Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org > To: dia-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re[2]: How to make shadow and More. > > On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:24:36 +0100 (IST) Alan Horkan wrote: > > Dia is a vector graphics program, the concept of layers applys more to > > a bitmaps and raster graphics programs like the Gimp. > > Each object is in effect on a layer of its own. > > There must be a vocabulary difference here. > In the docs they are called Layers. > Also you get at them by picking > Dialogs/Layers. > And they are a very cool feature. > (But I do not know how to copy a layer.) > > Cheers, > Alan > > _______________________________________________ > Dia-list mailing list > Dia-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list > FAQ at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia/faq.html > Main page at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia > From horkana@tcd.ie Fri Oct 11 12:40:27 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DE48018322 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:40:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 11 Oct 2002 17:40:26 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 17:40:26 +0100 (IST) From: Alan Horkan X-X-Sender: horkana@turing.maths.tcd.ie To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: How to make shadow and More. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: s/now/no > There is now automatic way to make a shadow. oops typo you probably figured it out already i meant "no automatice way to make a shadow" From lrclause@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu Fri Oct 11 14:24:37 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (shasta.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.246.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A446181F8 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:24:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id g9BIOaNd011731 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:24:36 -0500 Received: (from lrclause@localhost) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) id g9BIOagu011727; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:24:36 -0500 Subject: Re: Re[2]: How to make shadow and More. To: dia-list@gnome.org References: From: Lars Clausen Date: 11 Oct 2002 13:24:36 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <81n0pk6dgb.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Lines: 25 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Friday, 11 October '02, Alan G. Isaac wrote: > On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:24:36 +0100 (IST) Alan Horkan > wrote: >> Dia is a vector graphics program, the concept of layers applys more to >> a bitmaps and raster graphics programs like the Gimp. >> Each object is in effect on a layer of its own. >=20 > There must be a vocabulary difference here. > In the docs they are called Layers. > Also you get at them by picking=20 > Dialogs/Layers. > And they are a very cool feature. > (But I do not know how to copy a layer.) There is no way to copy a layer directly at the moment. Please file an enhancement report for this at bugzilla.gnome.org. You can copy a layer by selecting all objects, creating a new layer, then pasting into that. -Lars --=20 Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| H=E5rdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |------------------------= ---- will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbas= ket? From Tim.Ellis@gamet.com Fri Oct 11 16:07:57 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from linuxmail.lgsinc.com (unknown [12.22.4.163]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A3F1181BB for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 16:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from timetop (IDENT:YujiL2LxFYJmM5fvI27aEtL+QCZUzWt9@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by linuxmail.lgsinc.com (8.11.6/8.8.7) with SMTP id g9BK7oS27696 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:07:57 -0700 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:04:58 -0700 From: Tim Ellis To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Re[2]: transparency as default Message-Id: <20021011130458.65bbe549.Tim.Ellis@gamet.com> In-Reply-To: References: <81ptuh36y0.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Organization: Gamet X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i586-mandrake-linux-gnu) X-WerdupHomey: 3.14159265358979323 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: >For each object type, you can double-click the icon in the toolbox to >bring up the defaults dialog for that. Of course, if you want >transparent background for different kinds of objects, you have to set >that for each kind. And it's not temporary, but can be set back the >same way. The UML shapeset doesn't appear to follow this convention. For UML, what I do is create a single "dummy" instance of the shape I want many of, then instead of creating a new one each time, I copy the "dummy" object and paste it, then edit. This way I can have say ten classes that are each the exact same shade of red, and ten more the exact same shade of blue. Of course, it'd be nice to be able to select ten classes and bring up a dialog that would change all of them to be some other colour. Right now I unzip the .DIA savefile, do a search/replace for #xxyyzz-->#aabbcc which might be a little much for most GUI users. -- Tim Ellis Senior Database Architect Gamet, Inc. From horkana@tcd.ie Fri Oct 11 16:19:15 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4D30E180DD for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 16:19:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 11 Oct 2002 21:19:14 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 21:19:14 +0100 (IST) From: Alan Horkan X-X-Sender: horkana@turing.maths.tcd.ie To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Change Colour of mulitple objects. Re: Re[2]: transparency as default In-Reply-To: <20021011130458.65bbe549.Tim.Ellis@gamet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > Of course, it'd be nice to be able to select ten classes and bring up a > dialog that would change all of them to be some other colour. Right now I > unzip the .DIA savefile, do a search/replace for #xxyyzz-->#aabbcc which > might be a little much for most GUI users. Interesting that you should mention this. I have been trawling the archives, cleaning out my old mail and filing bugs that I should have filed ages ago. it is definately a usability problem that bothers just about everyone who has used Dia. http://mail.gnome.org/archives/dia-list/2002-April/msg00204.html I was going to file it but i was could not think of what wording i should use for the Bugzilla bug report. If you group a bunch of objects together you can change the line colour en-masse. The fill colour did not change for all of the shapes in the group i tried but it seems like some of the custom shapes i made (now in CVS in the Assorted sheet) had their background colour set to something other than 'None', which brings me to this bug that i filed earlier http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=95524 Sincerely Alan Horkan From lrclause@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu Fri Oct 11 16:40:39 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (shasta.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.246.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDD04180FE for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 16:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id g9BKecNd012857 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 15:40:38 -0500 Received: (from lrclause@localhost) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) id g9BKecaq012853; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 15:40:38 -0500 Subject: Re: Re[2]: transparency as default To: dia-list@gnome.org References: <81ptuh36y0.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> <20021011130458.65bbe549.Tim.Ellis@gamet.com> From: Lars Clausen Date: 11 Oct 2002 15:40:38 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20021011130458.65bbe549.Tim.Ellis@gamet.com> Message-ID: <81n0pkg14p.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Lines: 34 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, Tim Ellis wrote: >>For each object type, you can double-click the icon in the toolbox to >>bring up the defaults dialog for that. Of course, if you want >>transparent background for different kinds of objects, you have to set >>that for each kind. And it's not temporary, but can be set back the >>same way. >=20 > The UML shapeset doesn't appear to follow this convention. For UML, what > I do is create a single "dummy" instance of the shape I want many of, > then instead of creating a new one each time, I copy the "dummy" object > and paste it, then edit. Most of the UML things are ok, but in particular the UML class object is really nasty.=20=20 > This way I can have say ten classes that are each the exact same shade of > red, and ten more the exact same shade of blue. >=20 > Of course, it'd be nice to be able to select ten classes and bring up a > dialog that would change all of them to be some other colour. Right now I > unzip the .DIA savefile, do a search/replace for #xxyyzz-->#aabbcc which > might be a little much for most GUI users. If you group them together, they change attributes together, however there's a bug in that that causes too many attributes to change. That's one of the first things we'll fix after the Gtk 2.0 release. -Lars --=20 Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| H=E5rdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |------------------------= ---- will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbas= ket? From nemo@chepelov.org Sat Oct 12 03:26:43 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from chepelov.net1.nerim.net (chepelov.net1.nerim.net [62.212.101.212]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E02E180E7 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 03:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from muscat.intra.chepelov.org ([2001:7a8:1084::1]) by chepelov.net1.nerim.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 180GpQ-0006cY-00 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 09:36:52 +0200 Received: from cyrille by muscat.intra.chepelov.org with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 180Gf7-0001pj-00 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 09:26:13 +0200 Subject: Dia ChangeLog report for Sat Oct 12 07:23:01 2002 (UTC) X-Daemon-Owner: Cyrille Chepelov X-Send-Complaints-To: /dev/null X-Nemo-Version: 4 Message-Id: From: Dia ChangeLog Daemon To: dia-list@gnome.org Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 09:26:13 +0200 Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Snapshots available at http://www.crans.org/~chepelov/dia/snapshots *** Recent ChangeLog entries: --- ChangeLog.previous 2002-10-09 09:23:34.000000000 +0200 +++ dia-cvs-snapshot/ChangeLog 2002-10-12 09:23:05.000000000 +0200 @@ -1,3 +1,37 @@ +2002-10-11 Hans Breuer + + * plug-ins/metapost/render_metapost.[hc] : ported + + * plug-ins/pstricks/render_pstricks.[hc] : dito + +2002-10-11 Hans Breuer + + * plug-ins/cgm/cgm.c : ported, appears to work as before, + but graphic apps available to me can't import the generated + files (the could not with Dia-0.90 cgm as well) ... + + * plug-ins/dxf/dxf-export.c : Ported to new renderer api. + Removed all those function which did emulate 'complex' + drawing ops with basic ones (e.g. rect by line) cause this + stuff is already provided by the base class + * plug-ins/dxf/dxf-import.c : removed render.h include + + * plug-ins/python/pydia-font.[hc] + plug-ins/python/pydia-text.c : finally ported to new font api + + * plug-ins/python/pydia-layer.c : add extra parameter + to layer_find_closest_connectionpoint() + + * plug-ins/python/pydia-render.c : ported to DiaRenderer api + + * plug-ins/python/python.c : added missing copyright notice + + * plug-ins/hpg/hpgl.c plug-ins/wpg/wpg.c plug-ins/wmf/wmf.cpp : + actually use the renderers set_font implementation + + * plug-ins/renderer.inc : unused now, removed + * plug-ins/Makefile.am : reflect it + 2002-10-08 Hans Breuer * app/render_gdk.c : don't add the InteractiveRenderer From horkana@tcd.ie Sat Oct 12 12:03:44 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 81A07180D8 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 12:03:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 12 Oct 2002 17:03:42 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 17:03:41 +0100 (IST) From: Alan Horkan X-X-Sender: horkana@turing.maths.tcd.ie To: dia-list@gnome.org Cc: sodipodi-list@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Canvas [rampant gnome-canvas forking (fwd)] Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2002-October/msg00183.html There is a discussion just started on the desktop devel list about the future of Gnome Canvas. I wanted to make you aware of it as I thought it might be of interest and that a few of the devlopers here would have an expert opinion on the matter. Hopefully this could result in less maintainance work in the long run. Desktop Devel list archive for October http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2002-October/thread.html I dont like crossposting so i have sent this to only two lists, feel free to pass it on to other you think might be interested and able to give their expert opinion. I would like to say something insightful about software development, the Mythical Man month and the difficulty of trying to comminucate information in large projects but i cannot find the words ... Sincerely Alan Horkan http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 12 Oct 2002 00:14:47 +0200 From: Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller To: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org Subject: rampant gnome-canvas forking Hi people, I just noticed that Lauris has put a copy of the gnome-canvas into Sodipodi and started working on it there. Alex has his foocanvas . Dia has diacanvas and there is also a diacanvas2. There is also something called gtkcanvas I seem to remember. Since 'everyone' forking the canvas is that a hint that we maybe should replace it with one of these forks, since the original one isn't pleasing anyone? Not sure if we can deprecate anything for 2.2, but if we can maybe the original canvas is it and maybe something like diacanvas2 should be the new official canvas? Christian _______________________________________________ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list From hans@breuer.org Sat Oct 12 13:55:55 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from mailrelay1.lrz-muenchen.de (mailrelay1.lrz-muenchen.de [129.187.254.101]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D05CB18510 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 13:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [141.84.26.72] by mailout.lrz-muenchen.de for dia-list@gnome.org; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 19:55:44 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021012194511.008b2330@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> X-Sender: h_breuer@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 19:45:11 +0200 To: dia-list@gnome.org From: Hans Breuer Subject: Re: Don't cvs update now, if ... In-Reply-To: <20021010205721.710da875.levi@bard.sytes.net> References: <81it0eat1q.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> <3.0.5.32.20021007013803.008bbd30@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> <3.0.5.32.20021006203612.007db340@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> <3.0.5.32.20021007013803.008bbd30@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> <3.0.5.32.20021007220049.00b3dc50@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> <81it0eat1q.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: At 20:57 10.10.02 -0400, Levi Bard wrote: >> > Sorry for the incovenience. The M$ compiler docs claim this construct to >> > be correct (there is no warning at all for the redefinition and at least >> > for C++ this is standard conform :) See : >> > http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/vclang98/ht >> > ml/_pluslang_redeclaration_of_typedef_names.asp >> >> For ANSI C, declarator identifiers have to be unique (see K&R 2.ed p216 and >> 219). So it's a no-no. > > >Incidentally, why are we referring to the Microsoft compiler docs as evidence of the standard? > I'm not sure why _you_ are referring to th M$ compiler but I was referring to it because it simply was the compiler causing the inconvenience. And I was not referring to it as the (or even a) standard. The only standard I was referring to was the C++ one which definitely isn't from Micro$oft but isn't simply linkable either, cause you have to pay to read it. In case you haven't noticed yet, most work for Dia on win32 is done with the M$ compiler ... Regards, Hans -------- Hans "at" Breuer "dot" Org ----------- Tell me what you need, and I'll tell you how to get along without it. -- Dilbert From nemo@chepelov.org Sun Oct 13 03:26:52 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from chepelov.net1.nerim.net (chepelov.net1.nerim.net [62.212.101.212]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37E2818116 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 03:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from muscat.intra.chepelov.org ([2001:7a8:1084::1]) by chepelov.net1.nerim.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 180dJT-0005fk-00 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 09:37:23 +0200 Received: from cyrille by muscat.intra.chepelov.org with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 180d8y-0000Ka-00 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 09:26:32 +0200 Subject: Dia ChangeLog report for Sun Oct 13 07:23:01 2002 (UTC) X-Daemon-Owner: Cyrille Chepelov X-Send-Complaints-To: /dev/null X-Nemo-Version: 4 Message-Id: From: Dia ChangeLog Daemon To: dia-list@gnome.org Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 09:26:32 +0200 Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Snapshots available at http://www.crans.org/~chepelov/dia/snapshots *** Recent ChangeLog entries: --- ChangeLog.previous 2002-10-12 09:23:16.000000000 +0200 +++ dia-cvs-snapshot/ChangeLog 2002-10-13 09:23:05.000000000 +0200 @@ -1,3 +1,36 @@ +2002-10-12 Hans Breuer + + [last plug-in ported] + + * plug-ins/xfig/xfig-export.c : ported to new renderer api + + * plug-ins/xfig/xfig-import.c(fig_create_object) : need to + scale color values to [0..1.0] to properly reconstruct + user colors + + * plug-ins/xfig/xfig-common.c : some cleaning + +2002-10-12 Hans Breuer + + [decrease inter-plug-in-dependencies] + + * objects/custom/shape_info.[hc] : move parse_style() + to lib/dia_svg.[hc] as dia_svg_parse_style(); Namespace + the related structs and constants. + * objects/custom/custom_object.c : reflect namespace + changes + + * lib/dia_svg.[hc] : new files + * lib/makefile.msc lib/Makefile.am : add new files + * lib/libdia.def : updated externals + + * plug-ins/svg/svg-import.c : use dia_svg_parse_style() + + * plug-ins/svg/svg.c : enable svg import for win32 (and + probably for other non ELF builds) + + * plug-ins/makefile.msc : enable svg import + 2002-10-11 Hans Breuer * plug-ins/metapost/render_metapost.[hc] : ported From mcraveiro@ndsuk.com Fri Oct 11 10:17:04 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from tempest.uk.nds.com (unknown [194.202.59.31]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 413C518C33 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:17:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tempest.chil.ndsuk.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <421R9MS5>; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 15:16:58 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Craveiro, Marco" To: "'Dia-list@gnome.org'" Subject: long method signatures in uml class diagrams Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 15:16:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C27130.DA903D10" Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C27130.DA903D10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" hello dia hackers, many thanks for a very useful program. i have a problem that must be common to all dia uml users but for the life of me i cannot find any entries on your mailing list archive or faq. basically i am using dia to document a fairly large and complex c++ project and a lot of the methods have really long signatures. what i want to know is: is it possible to insert line breaks on the rendering of the diagram? the classes are so large that the diagram is unreadable... thanks! soup -- dna.h: #include /* god */ ------_=_NextPart_001_01C27130.DA903D10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable long method signatures in uml class diagrams

hello dia hackers,

many thanks for a very useful program. = i have a problem that must be common to all dia uml users but for the = life of me i cannot find

any entries on your mailing list = archive or faq. basically i am using dia to document a fairly large and = complex c++ project and a lot of the

methods have really long signatures. = what i want to know is: is it possible to insert line breaks on the = rendering of the diagram?

the classes are so large that the = diagram is unreadable...

thanks!

soup
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dna.h: #include = <std_disclaimer> /* god */

------_=_NextPart_001_01C27130.DA903D10-- From ronhirsch@adelphia.net Sat Oct 12 06:43:09 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from smtprelay9.dc2.adelphia.net (smtprelay9.dc2.adelphia.net [64.8.50.53]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF3DA18153 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 06:43:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gateway2002 ([68.64.90.4]) by smtprelay9.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id H3V73S02.T25 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 06:43:04 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01c271dc$23a95940$045a4044@Gateway2002> From: "Ron Hirsch" To: Subject: Uninstalling dia 0.9 Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 06:43:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C271BA.9C48FD00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C271BA.9C48FD00 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0007_01C271BA.9C48FD00" ------=_NextPart_001_0007_01C271BA.9C48FD00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just installed dia 0.9. After reviewing things, I decided that the = program was not what I had expected, and I wanted to uninstall the = program. But uninstall failed, and the following error box came up. My system is a very high end P4 system running Windows XP Home with SP1 = installed. I checked the dia folder, and the unninstall file is not there. Please advise -=20 Thanks for your help. Ron Hirsch ------=_NextPart_001_0007_01C271BA.9C48FD00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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(8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) id g9DEZZfr025317; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 09:35:35 -0500 Subject: Re: long method signatures in uml class diagrams To: dia-list@gnome.org References: From: Lars Clausen Date: 13 Oct 2002 09:35:35 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <81hefqv22w.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Lines: 24 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, Marco Craveiro wrote: > hello dia hackers, >=20 > many thanks for a very useful program. i have a problem that must be > common to all dia uml users but for the life of me i cannot find any > entries on your mailing list archive or faq. basically i am using dia to > document a fairly large and complex c++ project and a lot of the methods > have really long signatures. what i want to know is: is it possible to > insert line breaks on the rendering of the diagram? the classes are so > large that the diagram is unreadable... It isn't, really. The only way would be to hack objects/UML/class.c to insert, say, linebreaks after arguments if the line becomes too long. On the other hand, long signatures are a sign of an overly complex system. Not that you may be able to do anything about that. -Lars --=20 Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| H=E5rdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |------------------------= ---- will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbas= ket? From jklowden@schemamania.org Sun Oct 13 15:09:00 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from lowden.schemamania.org (jklowden-0.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.254.83.207]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB10F18201 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 15:08:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lowden (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lowden.schemamania.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g9DJ8rl11307 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 15:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 15:08:53 -0400 From: "James K. Lowden" To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: long method signatures in uml class diagrams Message-Id: <20021013150853.736ba699.jklowden@schemamania.org> In-Reply-To: <81hefqv22w.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> References: <81hefqv22w.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.5 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386--netbsdelf) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 13 Oct 2002 09:35:35 -0500, Lars Clausen wrote: > On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, Marco Craveiro wrote: > > basically i am using dia to > > document a fairly large and complex c++ project and a lot of the > > methods have really long signatures. what i want to know is: is it > > possible to insert line breaks on the rendering of the diagram? the > > classes are so large that the diagram is unreadable... > > It isn't, really. The only way would be to hack objects/UML/class.c to > insert, say, linebreaks after arguments if the line becomes too long. > > On the other hand, long signatures are a sign of an overly complex > system. Not that you may be able to do anything about that. Surely you don't mean that, Lars. Would you say the following is an example of "an overly complex system"? template basic_string operator+(const basic_string& s1, charT c) The libstdc++ style guide recommends putting the template members, return type, and function signature each on a separate line. Regards, --jkl From lrclause@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu Sun Oct 13 15:35:52 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (shasta.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.246.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61A2E181E0 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 15:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id g9DJZqNd026761 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 14:35:52 -0500 Received: (from lrclause@localhost) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) id g9DJZqR2026757; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 14:35:52 -0500 Subject: Re: long method signatures in uml class diagrams To: dia-list@gnome.org References: <81hefqv22w.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> <20021013150853.736ba699.jklowden@schemamania.org> From: Lars Clausen Date: 13 Oct 2002 14:35:51 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20021013150853.736ba699.jklowden@schemamania.org> Message-ID: <814rbquo6g.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Lines: 43 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sun, 13 Oct 2002, James K. Lowden wrote: > On 13 Oct 2002 09:35:35 -0500, Lars Clausen wrote: >> On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, Marco Craveiro wrote: >> > basically i am using dia to >> > document a fairly large and complex c++ project and a lot of the >> > methods have really long signatures. what i want to know is: is it >> > possible to insert line breaks on the rendering of the diagram? the >> > classes are so large that the diagram is unreadable... >>=20 >> It isn't, really. The only way would be to hack objects/UML/class.c to >> insert, say, linebreaks after arguments if the line becomes too long. >>=20 >> On the other hand, long signatures are a sign of an overly complex >> system. Not that you may be able to do anything about that. >=20 > Surely you don't mean that, Lars. Would you say the following is an > example of "an overly complex system"? >=20 > template > basic_string > operator+(const basic_string& s1, charT c) >=20 > The libstdc++ style guide recommends putting the template members, return > type, and function signature each on a separate line.=20=20 Yes, I would, but that's really a gripe about C++, not about his system. The fact that you need to specify three templates for basic strings is vile beyond belief, IMNSHO. And putting that signature in a UML diagram doesn't strike me as being a help in designing the system. But that's not the issue here. We obviously don't want to blindly insert linebreaks everywhere we can, as then the objects would just be too tall rather than too wide. I could probably cook up a little pretty-printer that has some idea about when it'd be good to break lines. -Lars --=20 Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| H=E5rdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |------------------------= ---- will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbas= ket? From lauris@kaplinski.com Sun Oct 13 14:16:17 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from MX2.estpak.ee (ld1.estpak.ee [194.126.101.98]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 016D8186E2 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 14:16:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (80-235-57-0-dsl.trt.estpak.ee [80.235.57.0]) by MX2.estpak.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38DF773582; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 21:15:01 +0300 (EEST) Subject: Re: [Sodipodi-list] Canvas [rampant gnome-canvas forking (fwd)] From: Lauris Kaplinski To: Alan Horkan Cc: dia-list@gnome.org, sodipodi-list@lists.sourceforge.net In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=EUC-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 13 Oct 2002 19:55:57 +0200 Message-Id: <1034531776.3742.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hello! My opinions (FYI is someone is interested) Too early to talk about sharing code. Sodipodi canvas fork has just=20 happened, and it will take some time, until something reallu usable will be sorted out. If then there can be more general interest, we can=20 rethink about this issue. Until then, I prefer to keep tight control over the version used by my project ;-) Best wishes, Lauris Kaplinski On =C5=DA, 2002-10-12 at 18:03, Alan Horkan wrote: >=20 > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2002-October/msg00183.h= tml >=20 > There is a discussion just started on the desktop devel list about the > future of Gnome Canvas. >=20 > I wanted to make you aware of it as I thought it might be of interest and > that a few of the devlopers here would have an expert opinion on the > matter. >=20 > Hopefully this could result in less maintainance work in the long run. >=20 > Desktop Devel list archive for October > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2002-October/thread.htm= l >=20 > I dont like crossposting so i have sent this to only two lists, feel free > to pass it on to other you think might be interested and able to give > their expert opinion. >=20 > I would like to say something insightful about software development, the > Mythical Man month and the difficulty of trying to comminucate informatio= n > in large projects but i cannot find the words ... >=20 > Sincerely > Alan Horkan >=20 > http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ >=20 >=20 > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: 12 Oct 2002 00:14:47 +0200 > From: Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller > To: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org > Subject: rampant gnome-canvas forking >=20 > Hi people, > I just noticed that Lauris has put a copy of the gnome-canvas into > Sodipodi and started working on it there. Alex has his foocanvas . Dia > has diacanvas and there is also a diacanvas2. There is also something > called gtkcanvas I seem to remember. >=20 > Since 'everyone' forking the canvas is that a hint that we maybe should > replace it with one of these forks, since the original one isn't > pleasing anyone? Not sure if we can deprecate anything for 2.2, but if > we can maybe the original canvas is it and maybe something like > diacanvas2 should be the new official canvas? >=20 > Christian >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > desktop-devel-list mailing list > desktop-devel-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Sodipodi-list mailing list > Sodipodi-list@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sodipodi-list >=20 From jklowden@schemamania.org Sun Oct 13 16:41:33 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from lowden.schemamania.org (jklowden-0.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.254.83.207]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E833180E6 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 16:41:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lowden (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lowden.schemamania.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g9DKfRl11401 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 16:41:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 16:41:27 -0400 From: "James K. Lowden" To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: long method signatures in uml class diagrams Message-Id: <20021013164127.175cc6b5.jklowden@schemamania.org> In-Reply-To: <814rbquo6g.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> References: <81hefqv22w.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> <20021013150853.736ba699.jklowden@schemamania.org> <814rbquo6g.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.5 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386--netbsdelf) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 13 Oct 2002 14:35:51 -0500, Lars Clausen wrote: > > Would you say the following is an > > example of "an overly complex system"? > > > > template > > basic_string > > operator+(const basic_string& s1, charT c) > > Yes, I would, but that's really a gripe about C++, not about his system. > The fact that you need to specify three templates for basic strings is > vile beyond belief, IMNSHO. [...] Hmm. I can agree with the NSH part, sure. ;) The charT argument provides for strings of different datatypes, nicely addressing Unicode, for instance (OS limitations notwithstanding). The optional Alloc allows the user to define his own allocation scheme, a help. You could accomplish these things without templates, but you'd only wind up moving the complexity somewhere else. And the typical case, string, has the advantage of being both easy to declare and having access to basic_string's generalized machinery. Complex, perhaps. But "overly" to me means "avoidable". I don't think you can remove anything from that declaration without removing functionality, too. But this isn't a C++ newsgroup. I reply only because I think you're underestimating the goodness of long signatures that the UML object may be asked to hold. > We obviously don't want to blindly insert linebreaks everywhere we can, > as then the objects would just be too tall rather than too wide. I > could probably cook up a little pretty-printer that has some idea about > when it'd be good to break lines. If somebody wants to use the UML class this way, he's going to need a long and short form IMO. Maybe the user could provide a "display string" to override the complete representation of a function. If the UML class actually understood C++, it would have enough information to offer gradations of detail, choosing among: Class name Class template parameters Data member names Data member types Function names Function template parameters Function parameter types Function parameter names Function return types I realize this is empty noodling, but the UML class is such a "hairball" (quoting Cyrille) and in such need of extension in several directions, that it's bound to be replaced one of these days, when someone gets ambitious. Slay any dragons yesterday? Rescue any damsels? (No and yes, respectively, I hope.) Regards, --jkl From horkana@tcd.ie Mon Oct 14 09:34:59 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3A02C18138 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gosset.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 14 Oct 2002 14:34:58 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:34:57 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Horkan X-X-Sender: horkana@gosset.maths.tcd.ie To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: long method signatures in uml class diagrams In-Reply-To: <814rbquo6g.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > We obviously don't want to blindly insert linebreaks everywhere we can, as Currently you cannot manually or by hacking the XML* add line breaks, if you could somehow allow this then any attempts to do it automatically would be less necessary. * i just considered the possibility that it did not work because if of windows line breaks rather than unix line breaks, could some one please try adding line breaks to the XML generated by UML classes on Unix platform? Could someone please file a bug report in bugzilla to help keep track. It would be useful to keep information about automated solutions as well as any fix that would allow line breaks to be manually added into the XML. Sincerely Alan H. From horkana@tcd.ie Mon Oct 14 09:50:14 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0686A1814E for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 14 Oct 2002 14:50:13 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:50:13 +0100 (IST) From: Alan Horkan X-X-Sender: horkana@turing.maths.tcd.ie To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Uninstalling dia 0.9 In-Reply-To: <000a01c271dc$23a95940$045a4044@Gateway2002> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: The dia uninstaller does not use the default uninstall icon, are you sure it really is not there? What about the uninstall shorcut in StartMenu,Programs? If you want to manually remove Dia you can delete the Dia folder and then run something like Regclean (download from Microsoft) which should clean up any registry entries. There is probably also a .dia folder in your userprofile directory which you can also delete. I am sorry that Dia did not meet your needs, we would appreciate if you could give us some feedback (but be gentle please, Dia is developed by volunteers in their spare time). If you told us what you were looking for perhaps we could point you in the right direction. Sincerely Alan Horkan http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ PS Steffen could you please change the installer to use the default uninstall icon, using the same icon for the program and the uninstaller is mildly confusing. On Sat, 12 Oct 2002, Ron Hirsch wrote: > Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 06:43:01 -0400 From: Ron Hirsch > Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org To: > dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Uninstalling dia 0.9 > > I just installed dia 0.9. After reviewing things, I decided that the > program was not what I had expected, and I wanted to uninstall the > program. But uninstall failed, and the following error box came up. > > My system is a very high end P4 system running Windows XP Home with > SP1 installed. > > I checked the dia folder, and the unninstall file is not there. > > Please advise - > > Thanks for your help. > > Ron Hirsch From horkana@tcd.ie Mon Oct 14 10:55:17 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2833918446 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 10:55:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 14 Oct 2002 15:55:16 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:55:15 +0100 (IST) From: Alan Horkan X-X-Sender: horkana@turing.maths.tcd.ie To: dia-list@gnome.org Cc: torben.nielsen@rocketmail.com Subject: Re: 2 Small bugs In-Reply-To: <20021003180619.80171.qmail@web40112.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I was just clearing through old mail and wondering if you reported these bugs in bugzilla. I also notice that no one replied to your message, so i assume it has not been dealt with. http://mail.gnome.org/archives/dia-list/2002-October/msg00020.html If you have not already done so please do, and please use 2 seperate reports. Please include the above link to your post in the report. I dont want to see all the useful information and valuable feedback on the mailing list being forgotten or lost. Sincerely Alan Horkan http://bugzilla.gnome.org On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, [iso-8859-1] Torben H. Nielsen wrote: > Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 20:06:19 +0200 (CEST) > From: "[iso-8859-1] Torben H. Nielsen" > Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org > To: dia-list@gnome.org > Subject: 2 Small bugs > > Hi, I found a few small bugs in dia (CVS-version): > > Bug #1 > If one of the following files are missing: > ~/.dia/defaults.dia > ~/.dia/pluginrc > > Dia writes the following on the console > warning: failed to load external entity "Null" > (For pluginrc it writes the message, both on startup and when dia is > closing) > > Bug #2 > If you close dia by pressing the [X] in the corner instead of using > file->quit or ctrl-q dia dumps a lot of gtk-warnings to the console: > > ** (dia:8877): CRITICAL **: file app_procs.c: line 529 (app_exit): > assertion `!app_exit_once' failed > > (dia:8877): Gtk-WARNING **: A floating object was finalized. This means > that someone > called g_object_unref() on an object that had only a floating > reference; the initial floating reference is not owned by anyone > and must be removed with gtk_object_sink() after a normal > reference is obtained with g_object_ref(). > > (dia:8877): Gtk-WARNING **: A floating object was finalized. This means > that someone > called g_object_unref() on an object that had only a floating > reference; the initial floating reference is not owned by anyone > and must be removed with gtk_object_sink() after a normal > reference is obtained with g_object_ref(). > > (dia:8877): Gtk-WARNING **: A floating object was finalized. This means > that someone > called g_object_unref() on an object that had only a floating > reference; the initial floating reference is not owned by anyone > and must be removed with gtk_object_sink() after a normal > reference is obtained with g_object_ref(). > > Torben > > > Beskyt din computer mod virus og misbrug! L=E6s mere i Yahoo! Sikkerhedsc= enter p=E5 www.yahoo.dk/sikkerhedscenter > _______________________________________________ > Dia-list mailing list > Dia-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list > FAQ at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia/faq.html > Main page at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia > From lrclause@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu Mon Oct 14 10:55:46 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (shasta.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.246.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 093DB1812B for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 10:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id g9EEtjNd032240 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:55:45 -0500 Received: (from lrclause@localhost) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) id g9EEtjM2032236; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:55:45 -0500 Subject: Re: long method signatures in uml class diagrams To: dia-list@gnome.org References: <81hefqv22w.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> <20021013150853.736ba699.jklowden@schemamania.org> <814rbquo6g.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> <20021013164127.175cc6b5.jklowden@schemamania.org> From: Lars Clausen Date: 14 Oct 2002 09:55:45 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20021013164127.175cc6b5.jklowden@schemamania.org> Message-ID: <81vg45t6ha.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Lines: 47 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sun, 13 Oct 2002, James K. Lowden wrote: > On 13 Oct 2002 14:35:51 -0500, Lars Clausen wrote: [...] >> We obviously don't want to blindly insert linebreaks everywhere we can, >> as then the objects would just be too tall rather than too wide. I >> could probably cook up a little pretty-printer that has some idea about >> when it'd be good to break lines. >=20 > If somebody wants to use the UML class this way, he's going to need a > long and short form IMO. Maybe the user could provide a "display string" > to override the complete representation of a function. If the UML class > actually understood C++, it would have enough information to offer > gradations of detail, choosing among: >=20 > Class name > Class template parameters > Data member names > Data member types > Function names > Function template parameters > Function parameter types > Function parameter names > Function return types >=20 > I realize this is empty noodling, but the UML class is such a "hairball" > (quoting Cyrille) and in such need of extension in several directions, > that it's bound to be replaced one of these days, when someone gets > ambitious.=20=20 The best way to go about that would be to look into the more complex properties and get them working. That should make it a lot easier to make a new class object. > Slay any dragons yesterday? Rescue any damsels? (No and yes, > respectively, I hope.) No dragons on the field (and besides, they're an endangered species). Did rescue a damsel or two who were fighting off overpowering numbers of evil foemen (and foewomen:). Beautiful day for it, too. -Lars --=20 Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| H=E5rdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |------------------------= ---- will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbas= ket? From torben.nielsen@rocketmail.com Mon Oct 14 11:46:40 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from web40110.mail.yahoo.com (web40110.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.44]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C16F21812B for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:46:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20021014154639.77945.qmail@web40110.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.237.84.23] by web40110.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 17:46:39 CEST Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 17:46:39 +0200 (CEST) From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Torben=20H.=20Nielsen?=" Subject: Re: 2 Small bugs To: dia-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Well I didn't file them in bugzilla when I wrote the mail, but it's done now (#95728 & #95729) ! I now that these two are not big show-stoppers, but at some point they're indicating that some code is not working 100% correctly. Torben --- Alan Horkan skrev: > > I was just clearing through old mail and wondering if you reported > these > bugs in bugzilla. I also notice that no one replied to your message, > so i > assume it has not been dealt with. > > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/dia-list/2002-October/msg00020.html > > If you have not already done so please do, and please use 2 seperate > reports. Please include the above link to your post in the report. > > I dont want to see all the useful information and valuable feedback > on the > mailing list being forgotten or lost. > > Sincerely > Alan Horkan > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, [iso-8859-1] Torben H. Nielsen wrote: > > > Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 20:06:19 +0200 (CEST) > > From: "[iso-8859-1] Torben H. Nielsen" > > > Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org > > To: dia-list@gnome.org > > Subject: 2 Small bugs > > > > Hi, I found a few small bugs in dia (CVS-version): > > > > Bug #1 > > If one of the following files are missing: > > ~/.dia/defaults.dia > > ~/.dia/pluginrc > > > > Dia writes the following on the console > > warning: failed to load external entity "Null" > > (For pluginrc it writes the message, both on startup and when dia > is > > closing) > > > > Bug #2 > > If you close dia by pressing the [X] in the corner instead of using > > file->quit or ctrl-q dia dumps a lot of gtk-warnings to the > console: > > > > ** (dia:8877): CRITICAL **: file app_procs.c: line 529 (app_exit): > > assertion `!app_exit_once' failed > > > > (dia:8877): Gtk-WARNING **: A floating object was finalized. This > means > > that someone > > called g_object_unref() on an object that had only a floating > > reference; the initial floating reference is not owned by anyone > > and must be removed with gtk_object_sink() after a normal > > reference is obtained with g_object_ref(). > > > > (dia:8877): Gtk-WARNING **: A floating object was finalized. This > means > > that someone > > called g_object_unref() on an object that had only a floating > > reference; the initial floating reference is not owned by anyone > > and must be removed with gtk_object_sink() after a normal > > reference is obtained with g_object_ref(). > > > > (dia:8877): Gtk-WARNING **: A floating object was finalized. This > means > > that someone > > called g_object_unref() on an object that had only a floating > > reference; the initial floating reference is not owned by anyone > > and must be removed with gtk_object_sink() after a normal > > reference is obtained with g_object_ref(). > > > > Torben > > > > > > Beskyt din computer mod virus og misbrug! Læs mere i Yahoo! > Sikkerhedscenter på www.yahoo.dk/sikkerhedscenter > > _______________________________________________ > > Dia-list mailing list > > Dia-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list > > FAQ at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia/faq.html > > Main page at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia > > > Beskyt din computer mod virus og misbrug! Læs mere i Yahoo! Sikkerhedscenter på www.yahoo.dk/sikkerhedscenter From nemo@chepelov.org Tue Oct 15 03:24:12 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from chepelov.net1.nerim.net (chepelov.net1.nerim.net [62.212.101.212]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F3FD18189 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 03:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from muscat.intra.chepelov.org ([2001:7a8:1084::1]) by chepelov.net1.nerim.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 181MEZ-0003zt-00 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:35:19 +0200 Received: from cyrille by muscat.intra.chepelov.org with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 181M3j-00041V-00 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:24:07 +0200 Subject: Dia ChangeLog report for Tue Oct 15 07:23:02 2002 (UTC) X-Daemon-Owner: Cyrille Chepelov X-Send-Complaints-To: /dev/null X-Nemo-Version: 4 Message-Id: From: Dia ChangeLog Daemon To: dia-list@gnome.org Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:24:07 +0200 Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Snapshots available at http://www.crans.org/~chepelov/dia/snapshots *** Recent ChangeLog entries: --- ChangeLog.previous 2002-10-13 09:23:38.000000000 +0200 +++ dia-cvs-snapshot/ChangeLog 2002-10-15 09:23:09.000000000 +0200 @@ -1,3 +1,11 @@ +2002-10-14 Lars Clausen + + * app/diaepsrenderer.h: + * app/render_eps.h: + * app/paginate_psprint.c: + #ifdef'd out enough ps stuff to allow compile. Now we just need + to convert it. + 2002-10-12 Hans Breuer [last plug-in ported] From mcraveiro@ndsuk.com Tue Oct 15 03:26:22 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from tempest.uk.nds.com (unknown [194.202.59.31]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DA96188E6 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 03:26:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tempest.chil.ndsuk.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <421R9Z91>; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 08:26:15 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Craveiro, Marco" To: "'dia-list@gnome.org'" Subject: Re: long method signatures in uml class diagrams Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 08:26:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2741C.1F6EB310" Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2741C.1F6EB310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" hi dia hackers, thanks for all the feedback. i agree with James K. Lowden and respectfully disagree with Lars Clausen in that its easy to get a long signature without having a very complex class. i'm thinking of templates, namespaces, etc. all used together (i.e. NAMESPACE_A::NAMESPACE_B::CLASS_A::TYPEDEF) on the return type of a function. this happens often on the system i'm trying to reverse-engineer. but as james said, discussing that is probably beyond the scope of dia-list... nevertheless, i think one of the greatest uses for uml is reverse-engineering since it enables one to get aquatinted with *very* large systems in a more organized way - rather than just browse the source until you grok it. imho it would be most useful if dia had good support for this activity; reverse engineering in rational-rose is painful - actually, let me rephrase that, rational-rose *is* painful :-))) it gets too much on your way, especially wrt cost :-D Alan (Horkan), in terms of inserting linebreaks on unix, i have tried that and it did not work. i just wanted to know if there was an easy solution, since there isn't i'll just leave as it is. in the mean time i'm writing down all the difficulties and problems i'm experiencing while reverse-engineering this large project. hopefully when i'm finished i'll write a summary of it all, check against the mailing list archives to see if any of the problems have been discussed / resolved and post those which have not been discussed / resolved. until now (i'm about 50% of the way through, by my estimates :-))) i have had no major problems, just niggling things. in fact my main problem is finding some good documentation on the web on how to map c++ to uml... (found a few books, maybe i'll buy one). cheers, soup++ -- dna.h: #include /* god */ ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2741C.1F6EB310 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: long method signatures in uml class diagrams

hi dia hackers,

thanks for all the feedback. i agree = with James K. Lowden and respectfully disagree with Lars Clausen in = that its easy to get a long signature without having a very complex = class. i'm thinking of templates, namespaces, etc. all used together = (i.e. NAMESPACE_A::NAMESPACE_B::CLASS_A::TYPEDEF) on the return type of = a function. this happens often on the system i'm trying to = reverse-engineer. but as james said, discussing that is probably beyond = the scope of dia-list...

nevertheless, i think one of the = greatest uses for uml is reverse-engineering since it enables = one
to get aquatinted with *very* large = systems in a more organized way - rather than just browse the = source
until you grok it. imho it would be = most useful if dia had good support for this activity; reverse = engineering in rational-rose is painful - actually, let me rephrase = that, rational-rose *is* painful :-))) it gets too much on your way, = especially wrt cost :-D

Alan (Horkan), in terms of inserting = linebreaks on unix, i have tried that and it did not work.

i just wanted to know if there was an = easy solution, since there isn't i'll just leave as it is.

in the mean time i'm writing down all = the difficulties and problems i'm experiencing while = reverse-engineering this large project. hopefully when i'm finished = i'll write a summary of it all, check against the mailing list archives = to see if any of the problems have been discussed / resolved and post = those which have not been discussed / resolved.

until now (i'm about 50% of the way = through, by my estimates :-))) i have had no major problems, just = niggling things. in fact my main problem

is finding some good documentation on = the web on how to map c++ to uml... (found a few books, maybe i'll buy = one).

cheers,

soup++
--
dna.h: #include = <std_disclaimer> /* god */

------_=_NextPart_001_01C2741C.1F6EB310-- From lrclause@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu Tue Oct 15 10:42:40 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (shasta.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.246.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31EAF186DA for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 10:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id g9FEgdNd018414 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:42:39 -0500 Received: (from lrclause@localhost) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) id g9FEgdNF018410; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:42:39 -0500 Subject: Re: long method signatures in uml class diagrams To: dia-list@gnome.org References: From: Lars Clausen Date: 15 Oct 2002 09:42:39 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8165w3u5k0.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Lines: 40 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Tue, 15 Oct 2002, Marco Craveiro wrote: > hi dia hackers, >=20 > thanks for all the feedback. i agree with James K. Lowden and > respectfully disagree with Lars Clausen in that its easy to get a long > signature without having a very complex class. i'm thinking of templates, > namespaces, etc. all used together > (i.e. NAMESPACE_A::NAMESPACE_B::CLASS_A::TYPEDEF) on the return type of a > function. this happens often on the system i'm trying to > reverse-engineer. but as james said, discussing that is probably beyond > the scope of dia-list... Agreed. Whether or not long names are a useful thing, they are bound to come up again and again, and we should handle them more gracefully. > i just wanted to know if there was an easy solution, since there isn't > i'll just leave as it is. >=20 > in the mean time i'm writing down all the difficulties and problems i'm > experiencing while reverse-engineering this large project. hopefully when > i'm finished i'll write a summary of it all, check against the mailing > list archives to see if any of the problems have been discussed / > resolved and post those which have not been discussed / resolved. Excellent! Use documentation is a great asset. > until now (i'm about 50% of the way through, by my estimates :-))) i have > had no major problems, just niggling things. in fact my main problem > is finding some good documentation on the web on how to map c++ to uml... > (found a few books, maybe i'll buy one). Maybe after this, you can write "C++ Modelling Using Dia":) -Lars --=20 Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| H=E5rdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |------------------------= ---- will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbas= ket? From horkana@tcd.ie Tue Oct 15 13:22:22 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4564F18117 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:22:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 15 Oct 2002 18:22:21 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:22:19 +0100 (IST) From: Alan Horkan X-X-Sender: horkana@turing.maths.tcd.ie To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: problem with colours when creating shapes Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: i have been trying to creat new shapes an having some colour problems. I am hoping i can get some clarifcation and feedback before filing this bug report. I am using Dia 0.90 on windows. Create a polygon set the fill and line colour to be the same colour (execpt black) export to .shape add the shape using the sheets and objects dialog* draw using the new shape. You should see that there is an unwanted black outline. It looks like two very thin black lines. If you look at the XML of the .shape file you will see that Dia in effect specifies a shape twice. Once for the outline and once for the filled shape. (another side effect of this si that you get duplicates of all the connections points in the .shape file) I tried deleting the outer outline polygon from the shape file leaving only the filled polygon. It did not work, it only resulted in the shame shape but as if i had specified a black outline, even though i did not. So what i think is happening is that the outline is getting drawn anyway, only in the first case there is another coloured line on top of it so only part of it is visible in the second case the unwanted outline is clearly visible. (i would provid a screenshot, but i managed to forgot the necessary cables for my laptop and have spent the last 20 minutes destroying the floppy drive, when the damned disk window got jammed. stress, aargh! "dont make me angry, you wont like me when i am angry". I'll attach a screen shot to a bug report later if necessary). I need to be able to have shapes that are a filled with a single solid colour. (I am drawing 3D directional map shapes). And i cant get dashed/dottet lines to work in Dia 0.90 for windows (tried on two win98 machines) and i get the feeling this problem might have been mentioned before so i will check bugzilla. Sincerely Alan Horkan * some problems with the sheets and objects dialog, which i intend to file bugs for. If you add a shape to the current sheet (and exit the sheets and objects dialog) it will not appear until you change sheet and change back again. An extra call to redraw/refresh is needed somewhere. Also if you close the sheets and objects dialog without hitting apply you changes will not take effect. Probably need to describe this better, but it has got me a few times and I find it confusng. I need take a more thorough look at the sheets and objects dialog. From nemo@chepelov.org Wed Oct 16 03:25:04 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from chepelov.net1.nerim.net (chepelov.net1.nerim.net [62.212.101.212]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FCD81812D for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 03:25:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from muscat.intra.chepelov.org ([2001:7a8:1084::1]) by chepelov.net1.nerim.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 181iim-0003D9-00 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 09:36:00 +0200 Received: from cyrille by muscat.intra.chepelov.org with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 181iXg-0007cG-00 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 09:24:32 +0200 Subject: Dia ChangeLog report for Wed Oct 16 07:23:02 2002 (UTC) X-Daemon-Owner: Cyrille Chepelov X-Send-Complaints-To: /dev/null X-Nemo-Version: 4 Message-Id: From: Dia ChangeLog Daemon To: dia-list@gnome.org Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 09:24:32 +0200 Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Snapshots available at http://www.crans.org/~chepelov/dia/snapshots *** Recent ChangeLog entries: --- ChangeLog.previous 2002-10-15 09:23:18.000000000 +0200 +++ dia-cvs-snapshot/ChangeLog 2002-10-16 09:23:05.000000000 +0200 @@ -1,3 +1,32 @@ +2002-10-15 Kjartan Maraas + + * app/sheets_dialog_callbacks.c: Fix a typo. + +2002-10-15 Hans Breuer + + * app/diapsrenderer.[hc] : (new files, old content :-) + simple base class for post script rendering. Does neither + use Pango/FT2 nor does it handle non latin1 characters. + The fancy stuff which nowadays appears to be needed should + probably be done in derived class(es) + + * app/makefile.msc app/Makefile.am : added new files + + * app/paginate_psrint.c : re-enabled and used as test + for the simple ps renderer above. + + * app/render_eps.[hc] : ripped out common ps code and + moved to DiaPsRenderer. The rest of the file is mostly + disabled. And I don't understand enough of it to + change port it. + + * app/diaepsrenderer.h : short lived, removed. + +2002-10-15 Lars Clausen + + * lib/plug-ins.c (dia_register_plugin): Don't try to load libdia + as a plugin (thanks to Torben Nielsen). + 2002-10-14 Lars Clausen * app/diaepsrenderer.h: From RedfernI@logica.com Wed Oct 16 11:34:32 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from mail4.messagelabs.com (mail4.messagelabs.com [212.125.75.12]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 14AE1185CA for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:34:32 -0400 (EDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 4270 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2002 15:34:30 -0000 Received: from iris.logica.co.uk (158.234.9.163) by server-6.tower-4.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2002 15:34:30 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([158.234.34.139]) by iris.logica.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA16589 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:34:30 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: iris.logica.co.uk: Host [158.234.34.139] claimed to be localhost.localdomain Subject: Re: problem with colours when creating shapes From: Ian Redfern To: dia-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 16 Oct 2002 16:34:29 +0100 Message-Id: <1034782470.6042.132.camel@wilma> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I had to put stroke-width: 0; as well as set the stroke colour to the same as the fill colour in the attributes of the filled shape to get rid of the line. e.g. As for dashes, are you using stroke-pattern:/stroke-dashlength: or stroke-dasharray:/stroke-dashoffset:? If I remember, Dia likes stroke-pattern rather than the SVG standard stroke-dasharray. Ian Redfern. On Tue, 2002-10-15 at 18:22, Alan Horkan wrote: > > i have been trying to creat new shapes an having some colour problems. > I am hoping i can get some clarifcation and feedback before filing this > bug report. I am using Dia 0.90 on windows. > > Create a polygon > set the fill and line colour to be the same colour (execpt black) > export to .shape > > add the shape using the sheets and objects dialog* > draw using the new shape. > > You should see that there is an unwanted black outline. It looks like two > very thin black lines. > > If you look at the XML of the .shape file you will see that Dia in effect > specifies a shape twice. Once for the outline and once for the filled > shape. (another side effect of this si that you get duplicates of all the > connections points in the .shape file) > > I tried deleting the outer outline polygon from the shape file leaving > only the filled polygon. > It did not work, it only resulted in the shame shape but as if i had > specified a black outline, even though i did not. > > So what i think is happening is that the outline is getting drawn anyway, > only in the first case there is another coloured line on top of it so only > part of it is visible in the second case the unwanted outline is clearly > visible. > (i would provid a screenshot, but i managed to forgot the necessary cables > for my laptop and have spent the last 20 minutes destroying the floppy > drive, when the damned disk window got jammed. stress, aargh! "dont > make me angry, you wont like me when i am angry". I'll attach a screen > shot to a bug report later if necessary). > > I need to be able to have shapes that are a filled with a single solid > colour. (I am drawing 3D directional map shapes). > > And i cant get dashed/dottet lines to work in Dia 0.90 for windows (tried > on two win98 machines) and i get the feeling this problem might have been > mentioned before so i will check bugzilla. > > Sincerely > Alan Horkan > > > * some problems with the sheets and objects dialog, which i intend to file > bugs for. > If you add a shape to the current sheet (and exit the sheets and objects > dialog) it will not appear until you change sheet and change back again. > An extra call to redraw/refresh is needed somewhere. > > Also if you close the sheets and objects dialog without hitting apply you > changes will not take effect. Probably need to describe this better, but > it has got me a few times and I find it confusng. > I need take a more thorough look at the sheets and objects dialog. > > _______________________________________________ > Dia-list mailing list > Dia-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list > FAQ at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia/faq.html > Main page at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia -- Ian Redfern Consultant Telecoms Solutions Logica UK Tel: +44 (0) 20 7446 1686 Email: RedfernI@logica.com www.logica.com This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. From horkana@tcd.ie Wed Oct 16 13:46:19 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5B0FC18130 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:46:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 16 Oct 2002 18:46:17 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:46:15 +0100 (IST) From: Alan Horkan X-X-Sender: horkana@turing.maths.tcd.ie To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: problem with colours when creating shapes In-Reply-To: <1034782470.6042.132.camel@wilma> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 16 Oct 2002, Ian Redfern wrote: > Date: 16 Oct 2002 16:34:29 +0100 > From: Ian Redfern > Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org > To: dia-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: problem with colours when creating shapes > > I had to put > > stroke-width: 0; > > as well as set the stroke colour to the same as the fill colour in the > attributes of the filled shape to get rid of the line. Cyrille, Lars, Hans, i assume this is not expected behaviour so ill file a bug later. Thanks for the workaround Ian, hopefully i will get those directional map shapes finished soon. > e.g. > > As for dashes, are you using stroke-pattern:/stroke-dashlength: or > stroke-dasharray:/stroke-dashoffset:? If I remember, Dia likes > stroke-pattern rather than the SVG standard stroke-dasharray. I was not hacking the XML or anything, i was just trying to draw them using the GUI but no joy. Thanks muchley ;) Sincerley Alan Horkan http://advogator.org/person/AlanHorkan/ From luis@lsu.edu Wed Oct 16 17:25:32 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from gate002.lsu.edu (gate002.ocs.lsu.edu [130.39.184.137]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82ED118146 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: transparent layer? To: dia-list@gnome.org From: "Luis A Escobar" Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:25:02 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I am new to Dia. I have three questions 1) Other than the documentation included in the distribution is there a book with example to learn to use the system? 2) Does anybody know of a site where I can see Dia used to illustrate set operations (unions, intercepts, complements, etc)? 3) I want to overlap two elipses and see the hidden boundary of the ellipse that is on the bottom. What is the process to get it done? Some kind of transparent layer? I have overlapped the elipses but I can't see the boundary of the one at the bottom. Thank you Luis A. Escobar From lrclause@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu Wed Oct 16 17:42:38 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (shasta.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.246.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21A2E18BB4 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id g9GLgbNd025737 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:42:37 -0500 Received: (from lrclause@localhost) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) id g9GLgbSc025733; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:42:37 -0500 Subject: Re: transparent layer? To: dia-list@gnome.org References: From: Lars Clausen Date: 16 Oct 2002 16:42:37 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <81znte12nm.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Lines: 36 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wednesday, 16 October '02, Luis A. Escobar wrote: > I am new to Dia. I have three questions >=20 > 1) Other than the documentation included in the distribution > is there a book with example to learn to use the system? There is some documentation available from the Dia website . > 2) Does anybody know of a site where I can see Dia used > to illustrate set operations (unions, intercepts, complements, > etc)? Nope. > 3) I want to overlap two elipses and see the hidden boundary of the > ellipse that is on the bottom. What is the process to get it done? > Some kind of transparent layer? >=20 > I have overlapped the elipses but I can't see the boundary of the > one at the bottom. You can set the topmost ellipse to not draw background (double-click to get properties dialog, unselect 'Show Background'). Unfortunately, we don't have patterned background or semitransparency yet. Dia cannot do union and intersection of objects in the way CAD programs do. You may be able to get a good effect using the Beziergons. -Lars --=20 Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| H=E5rdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |------------------------= ---- will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbas= ket? From luis@lsu.edu Wed Oct 16 17:57:19 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from gate002.lsu.edu (gate002.ocs.lsu.edu [130.39.184.137]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6559A180DE for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:57:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: transparent layer? To: dia-list@gnome.org From: "Luis A Escobar" Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:57:17 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Lars, thank you for the good help. I tried what you suggested and it worked fine. Regards, Luis A. Lars Clausen @gnome.org on 10/16/2002 04:42:37 PM= Please respond to dia-list@gnome.org Sent by: dia-list-admin@gnome.org To: dia-list@gnome.org cc: (bcc: Luis A Escobar/luis/LSU) Subject: Re: transparent layer? On Wednesday, 16 October '02, Luis A. Escobar wrote: > I am new to Dia. I have three questions > > 1) Other than the documentation included in the distribution > is there a book with example to learn to use the system? There is some documentation available from the Dia website . > 2) Does anybody know of a site where I can see Dia used > to illustrate set operations (unions, intercepts, complements, > etc)? Nope. > 3) I want to overlap two elipses and see the hidden boundary of th= e > ellipse that is on the bottom. What is the process to get it d= one? > Some kind of transparent layer? > > I have overlapped the elipses but I can't see the boundary of = the > one at the bottom. You can set the topmost ellipse to not draw background (double-click to= get properties dialog, unselect 'Show Background'). Unfortunately, we don'= t have patterned background or semitransparency yet. Dia cannot do union and intersection of objects in the way CAD programs= do. You may be able to get a good effect using the Beziergons. -Lars -- Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| H=E5rdgrim of Numen= or "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |---------------------------- will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going,= and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbasket? _______________________________________________ Dia-list mailing list Dia-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list FAQ at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia/faq.html Main page at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia = From horkana@tcd.ie Wed Oct 16 17:58:22 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C62F6182B9 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 16 Oct 2002 22:58:20 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 22:58:16 +0100 (IST) From: Alan Horkan X-X-Sender: horkana@turing.maths.tcd.ie To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: transparent layer? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Lars just beat me to it, i have started writing so i will finish... On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, Luis A Escobar wrote: > I am new to Dia. I have three questions > > 1) Other than the documentation included in the distribution > is there a book with example to learn to use the system? There is the FAQ web pages, the gnome documentation, and a PDF file that gets included with the windows distribution which is the Gnome Documentation agian (i only skim read it). Someone recently started a Wiki (online colloborative encyclopedia type thingey in case you are unfamiliar with wiki). http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list I dont know the link, so please try searching the archive or perhaps someone else will get back to you, or if you are lucky a link to it has been added some where on the site. "Grokking Dia" does not have quite the same ring to it. Suggestions on a postcart to ... > 2) Does anybody know of a site where I can see Dia used > to illustrate set operations (unions, intercepts, complements, etc)? What exactly do you mean? Do you mean pictures simply explaning set operations for people learning mathematics or Dia actually performing the operations and giving you lots of little pieces? I just happened to have documented this kind of "set operation" functionality from Visio as someone mentioned it recently. and seeing as Lars answered before i did i went off and filed it instead of rambling on in an email. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=95993 > 3) I want to overlap two elipses and see the hidden boundary of the > ellipse that is on the bottom. What is the process to get it done? > Some kind of transparent layer? Turn off "Fill" Partial Transparencey or Alpha Channels would be cool, Gobe Productive does it. > I have overlapped the elipses but I can't see the boundary of the > one at the bottom. Sincerely Alan Horkan http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ From luis@lsu.edu Wed Oct 16 18:26:56 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from gate002.lsu.edu (gate002.ocs.lsu.edu [130.39.184.137]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6378B181D3 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:26:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: transparent layer? To: dia-list@gnome.org From: "Luis A Escobar" Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:26:54 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Alan, thank you for the help. I meant pictures to teach the concepts of union, intercepts, etc to illustrate those operations. I saw the case you document and that is exactly what i was looking for. Thanks again. Regards, Luis A Alan Horkan @gnome.org on 10/16/2002 04:58:16 PM Please respond to dia-list@gnome.org Sent by: dia-list-admin@gnome.org To: dia-list@gnome.org cc: (bcc: Luis A Escobar/luis/LSU) Subject: Re: transparent layer? Lars just beat me to it, i have started writing so i will finish... On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, Luis A Escobar wrote: > I am new to Dia. I have three questions > > 1) Other than the documentation included in the distribution > is there a book with example to learn to use the system? There is the FAQ web pages, the gnome documentation, and a PDF file that gets included with the windows distribution which is the Gnome Documentation agian (i only skim read it). Someone recently started a Wiki (online colloborative encyclopedia type thingey in case you are unfamiliar with wiki). http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list I dont know the link, so please try searching the archive or perhaps someone else will get back to you, or if you are lucky a link to it has been added some where on the site. "Grokking Dia" does not have quite the same ring to it. Suggestions on a postcart to ... > 2) Does anybody know of a site where I can see Dia used > to illustrate set operations (unions, intercepts, complements, etc)? What exactly do you mean? Do you mean pictures simply explaning set operations for people learning mathematics or Dia actually performing the operations and giving you lots of little pieces? I just happened to have documented this kind of "set operation" functionality from Visio as someone mentioned it recently. and seeing as Lars answered before i did i went off and filed it instead of rambling on in an email. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=95993 > 3) I want to overlap two elipses and see the hidden boundary of the > ellipse that is on the bottom. What is the process to get it done? > Some kind of transparent layer? Turn off "Fill" Partial Transparencey or Alpha Channels would be cool, Gobe Productive does it. > I have overlapped the elipses but I can't see the boundary of the > one at the bottom. Sincerely Alan Horkan http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ _______________________________________________ Dia-list mailing list Dia-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list FAQ at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia/faq.html Main page at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia From aisaac@american.edu Wed Oct 16 19:13:15 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from notes-gw.american.edu (win06.american.edu [147.9.1.41]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07C7518258 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:13:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from JACKSONVILLE ([147.9.11.106]) by notes-gw.american.edu (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.10) with ESMTP id 2002101618533929:21798 ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:53:39 -0400 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:55:36 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: Alan G Isaac Subject: changing properties dialogue To: dia-list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Organization: American University X-Mailer: Mahogany 0.64.2 'Sparc', running under Windows NT 5.0 (build 2195) X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on NOTES-GW/AmericanU(Release 5.0.10 |March 22, 2002) at 10/16/2002 06:53:40 PM, Serialize by Router on NOTES-GW/AmericanU(Release 5.0.10 |March 22, 2002) at 10/16/2002 07:13:14 PM, Serialize complete at 10/16/2002 07:13:14 PM Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: INLINE Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Suppose I insert an ER shape: say an entity. I double click on it to change the properties, most obviously the name. OK, to enter a new name I let go of the mouse and type. Now how do I complete the dialogue without reaching for the mouse? (I believe I ought to be able to Alt-o for OK, but I cannot. It takes a lot of tabbing to get to OK.) Thanks, Alan Isaac PS Is there any way to insert a linebreak in an entity name? If not, how about allowing some escape sequence for this? From Tim.Ellis@gamet.com Wed Oct 16 19:54:02 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from linuxmail.lgsinc.com (unknown [12.22.4.163]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1742818109 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:54:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from timetop (IDENT:9IXJQoyIyJN8igZhc5t0Kr7CgcnQtRLV@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by linuxmail.lgsinc.com (8.11.6/8.8.7) with SMTP id g9GNrxS32145; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:53:59 -0700 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:49:22 -0700 From: Tim Ellis To: dia-list@gnome.org Cc: aisaac@american.edu Subject: Re: changing properties dialogue Message-Id: <20021016164922.6ad77553.Tim.Ellis@gamet.com> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Gamet X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i586-mandrake-linux-gnu) X-WerdupHomey: 3.14159265358979323 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > Suppose I insert an ER shape: > say an entity. > I double click on it to change > the properties, most obviously > the name. > OK, to enter a new name I let > go of the mouse and type. . . . . (snip) . . . . > PS Is there any way to insert > a linebreak in an entity name? > If not, how about allowing some > escape sequence for this? Are you *SURE* you want to be using the ER shapes? Are you trying to model a database? If so, you may want to check: http://tedia2sql.tigris.org. If you are modelling a database, you'll likely be happier w/ the UML shapes. -- Tim Ellis Senior Database Architect Gamet, Inc. From lrclause@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu Wed Oct 16 20:10:17 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (shasta.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.246.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 174A918BDC for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 20:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id g9H0AGNd026496 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:10:16 -0500 Received: (from lrclause@localhost) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) id g9H0AGs7026492; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:10:16 -0500 Subject: Re: changing properties dialogue To: dia-list@gnome.org References: From: Lars Clausen Date: 16 Oct 2002 19:10:16 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <81of9u0vtj.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Lines: 27 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wednesday, 16 October '02, Alan G. Isaac wrote: > Suppose I insert an ER shape: > say an entity. > I double click on it to change > the properties, most obviously > the name. > OK, to enter a new name I let > go of the mouse and type. >=20 > Now how do I complete the > dialogue without reaching for > the mouse? (I believe I ought > to be able to Alt-o for OK, > but I cannot. It takes a lot > of tabbing to get to OK.) Good point. The keybindings on those dialogs aren't quite up to scratch. It should really have 'Enter' do OK and 'Escape' do Cancel. Please do file a bugreport at Bugzilla for this. -Lars --=20 Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| H=E5rdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |------------------------= ---- will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbas= ket? From aisaac@american.edu Wed Oct 16 21:16:47 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from aucluster6.american.edu (www.stat.american.edu [147.9.1.100]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A1DC1813D for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 21:16:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from JACKSONVILLE ([147.9.11.106]) by notes-gw.american.edu (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.10) with ESMTP id 2002101619043218:22049 ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:04:32 -0400 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:06:29 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: Alan G Isaac Subject: Re[2]: transparent layer? To: dia-list@gnome.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Organization: American University X-Mailer: Mahogany 0.64.2 'Sparc', running under Windows NT 5.0 (build 2195) X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on NOTES-GW/AmericanU(Release 5.0.10 |March 22, 2002) at 10/16/2002 07:04:32 PM, Serialize by Router on AUCluster6/AmericanU(Release 5.0.10 |March 22, 2002) at 10/16/2002 09:16:53 PM, Serialize complete at 10/16/2002 09:16:53 PM Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: INLINE Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:26:54 -0500 Luis A Escobar wrote: > I meant pictures to teach the concepts of union, intercepts, etc to > illustrate those operations. I saw the case you document and that > is exactly what i was looking for. Fwiw, these are simple to produce in PostScript. If you find a way to do it in Dia, please post a brief description. Thanks, Alan Isaac From nemo@chepelov.org Thu Oct 17 03:26:52 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from chepelov.net1.nerim.net (chepelov.net1.nerim.net [62.212.101.212]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E759180D7 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 03:26:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from muscat.intra.chepelov.org ([2001:7a8:1084::1]) by chepelov.net1.nerim.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1825EX-0002OZ-00 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 09:38:17 +0200 Received: from cyrille by muscat.intra.chepelov.org with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 18253J-0006S5-00 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 09:26:41 +0200 Subject: Dia ChangeLog report for Thu Oct 17 07:23:01 2002 (UTC) X-Daemon-Owner: Cyrille Chepelov X-Send-Complaints-To: /dev/null X-Nemo-Version: 4 Message-Id: From: Dia ChangeLog Daemon To: dia-list@gnome.org Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 09:26:41 +0200 Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Snapshots available at http://www.crans.org/~chepelov/dia/snapshots *** Recent ChangeLog entries: --- ChangeLog.previous 2002-10-16 09:23:47.000000000 +0200 +++ dia-cvs-snapshot/ChangeLog 2002-10-17 09:23:05.000000000 +0200 @@ -1,3 +1,24 @@ +2002-10-16 Lars Clausen + + * lib/dialibartrenderer.c (begin_render): + (end_render): Correct pushing and popping of font contexts. + (draw_string): Double zooming eliminated, strange twiddle factor + introduced (grumble). Close to working now, but there are still + strange differences from font to font. In particular, some fonts + really mess with the cursor and extents. + + * app/render_eps.c (export_eps): + * app/diapsrenderer.c (dia_ps_renderer_finalize): + Fixed file closing confusion, no longer dependent on PS/EPS. + + * app/diagram.c (diagram_place_down_selected) + (diagram_place_up_selected): Now implemented. + + * lib/font.c (dia_font_init): + * lib/font.h: + Redesigned the font init/context pushing code. Start of fix for + font name differences. + 2002-10-15 Kjartan Maraas * app/sheets_dialog_callbacks.c: Fix a typo. From aisaac@american.edu Thu Oct 17 07:12:26 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from notes-gw.american.edu (win06.american.edu [147.9.1.41]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C6C8181A6 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 07:12:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from JACKSONVILLE ([147.9.11.102]) by notes-gw.american.edu (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.10) with ESMTP id 2002101701154939:7111 ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 01:15:49 -0400 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 01:17:43 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: Alan G Isaac Subject: text alignment To: dia-list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Organization: American University X-Mailer: Mahogany 0.64.2 'Sparc', running under Windows NT 5.0 (build 2195) X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on NOTES-GW/AmericanU(Release 5.0.10 |March 22, 2002) at 10/17/2002 01:15:50 AM, Serialize by Router on NOTES-GW/AmericanU(Release 5.0.10 |March 22, 2002) at 10/17/2002 07:12:25 AM, Serialize complete at 10/17/2002 07:12:25 AM Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: INLINE Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I would find it helpful if the text alignment options were enlarged. In addition to left, right, and center, I would find top and bottom options useful, so that e.g. top,right would place the top right corner of the text bounding box. (Like for placing zero width boxes in the LaTeX picture environment.) fwiw, Alan Isaac From luis@lsu.edu Thu Oct 17 08:00:44 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from gate002.lsu.edu (gate002.ocs.lsu.edu [130.39.184.137]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 125F71821D for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:00:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Re[2]: transparent layer? To: dia-list@gnome.org From: "Luis A Escobar" Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 07:00:41 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Alan, i don't write postscript, so i don't know how to make them in postscript either. A Dia solution would be nice. If I find a way to do it I will post a brief description. Thanks Luis A Alan G Isaac @gnome.org on 10/16/2002 06:06:29 PM Please respond to dia-list@gnome.org Sent by: dia-list-admin@gnome.org To: dia-list@gnome.org cc: (bcc: Luis A Escobar/luis/LSU) Subject: Re[2]: transparent layer? On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:26:54 -0500 Luis A Escobar wrote: > I meant pictures to teach the concepts of union, intercepts, etc to > illustrate those operations. I saw the case you document and that > is exactly what i was looking for. Fwiw, these are simple to produce in PostScript. If you find a way to do it in Dia, please post a brief description. Thanks, Alan Isaac _______________________________________________ Dia-list mailing list Dia-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list FAQ at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia/faq.html Main page at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia From horkana@tcd.ie Thu Oct 17 08:35:07 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E8EC118153 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gosset.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 17 Oct 2002 13:35:05 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:35:03 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Horkan X-X-Sender: horkana@gosset.maths.tcd.ie To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: changing properties dialogue In-Reply-To: <81of9u0vtj.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > Good point. The keybindings on those dialogs aren't quite up to scratch. > It should really have 'Enter' do OK and 'Escape' do Cancel. Please do file I would have thought that the newer GTK2 widgets would/will have this stuff setup by default? To be a little bit pedantic it is not just a simple Esc = Cancel and OK = Enter. Esc is used for cancel and sometimes for No reponses, and in some cases to dismiss any window without taking an action (so this could even include a message dialog that only had an Ok button). As for binding Return to Ok, When you open a dialog if you are willing to accept all the default values, the Ok button should be in focus and you you should be able to simply accept by hitting Return. You probably dont want hitting return anywhere in a dialog to be equivalent to okay. for example in a password dialog hitting return after typing in the username it does not make sense to hit ok, it should bring you to the next box to enter your password first. It makes sense in other circumstances where more data is needed. I get very annoyed at the Gtk file dialog thinking i want to save to a file called dirname/ and then fail and close the save window (but the many annoyances of the file dialog is a rant best left to the desktop-devel-list). This is my understanding of it, off the top of my head, i have not thought it through in detail or read any usability papers on the matter so my description is obviously somewhat lacking. I assume you were just simplifying for brevity, i will add my comments to the bug report. Later Alan > a bugreport at Bugzilla for this. From horkana@tcd.ie Thu Oct 17 08:36:38 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6FC8018237 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gosset.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 17 Oct 2002 13:36:37 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:36:37 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Horkan X-X-Sender: horkana@gosset.maths.tcd.ie To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: changing properties dialogue In-Reply-To: <20021016164922.6ad77553.Tim.Ellis@gamet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > > PS Is there any way to insert > > a linebreak in an entity name? > > If not, how about allowing some > > escape sequence for this? I forgot to ask is there a bug report relating to this? I would think this would be a duplicate of the requests made recently about inserting line breaks into UML Diagrams. Sincerely Alan Horkan http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ http://bugzilla.gnome.org From horkana@tcd.ie Thu Oct 17 08:55:05 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C7D92183DE for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:55:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gosset.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 17 Oct 2002 13:55:03 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:55:02 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Horkan X-X-Sender: horkana@gosset.maths.tcd.ie To: dia-list Subject: Re: text alignment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Is there any particurlar reason why the default text alignement is centred? I seem to set it to 'Left' most of the time anyway. I would also like to see a better text box, the text box in Dia is unlike anything i have used in other programs. If the Dia text box actually highlighted text so that you could see it then i think Dia could do copy/cut/paste of text based on context without the need for seperate menu items. I am also wondering if perhaps all the little suggestions i keep making are somehow counter productive and that rather asking for lots of little fixes Dia should be trying to reuse other peoples code or move to using an entirely new Canvas widget? Later Alan On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Alan G Isaac wrote: > Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 01:17:43 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) > From: Alan G Isaac > Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org > To: dia-list > Subject: text alignment > > I would find it helpful if the text alignment options were > enlarged. In addition to left, right, and center, I would > find top and bottom options useful, so that e.g. top,right > would place the top right corner of the text bounding > box. (Like for placing zero width boxes in the LaTeX > picture environment.) > > fwiw, > Alan Isaac > > _______________________________________________ > Dia-list mailing list > Dia-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list > FAQ at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia/faq.html > Main page at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia > From lrclause@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu Thu Oct 17 09:33:41 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (shasta.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.246.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43733180F9 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 09:33:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) with ESMTP id g9HDXeaA001555 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:33:40 -0500 Received: (from lrclause@localhost) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) id g9HDXexd001551; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:33:40 -0500 Subject: Re: text alignment To: dia-list@gnome.org References: From: Lars Clausen Date: 17 Oct 2002 08:33:40 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <81n0pdqjez.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Lines: 35 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Alan Horkan wrote: >=20 > Is there any particurlar reason why the default text alignement is > centred? > I seem to set it to 'Left' most of the time anyway. Double-click the 'T' icon in the toolbox and set your default to Left there. > I would also like to see a better text box, the text box in Dia is unlike > anything i have used in other programs. > If the Dia text box actually highlighted text so that you could see it > then i think Dia could do copy/cut/paste of text based on context without > the need for seperate menu items. We've been considering such a thing, where to edit text, you first have to select the text and then click again to edit. This would solve a number of problems with editing, such as single-key menu shortcuts getting in the way, good cut-and-paste, allow for text field navigation etc. It's definitely a good idea. > I am also wondering if perhaps all the little suggestions i keep making > are somehow counter productive and that rather asking for lots of little > fixes Dia should be trying to reuse other peoples code or move to using > an entirely new Canvas widget? I don't know of a better Canvas widget. ANd many of these suggestions are not really about the canvas, but about how Dia objects behave. -Lars --=20 Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| H=E5rdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |------------------------= ---- will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbas= ket? From lrclause@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu Thu Oct 17 09:38:57 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (shasta.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.246.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B18C18153 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 09:38:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) with ESMTP id g9HDcvaA001588 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:38:57 -0500 Received: (from lrclause@localhost) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) id g9HDcvQ2001584; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:38:57 -0500 Subject: Re: changing properties dialogue To: dia-list@gnome.org References: From: Lars Clausen Date: 17 Oct 2002 08:38:57 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <81it01qj66.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Lines: 61 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Alan Horkan wrote: >=20 >> Good point. The keybindings on those dialogs aren't quite up to >> scratch. It should really have 'Enter' do OK and 'Escape' do Cancel. >> Please do file >=20 > I would have thought that the newer GTK2 widgets would/will have this > stuff setup by default? They seem to attempt it, but don't quite get it right... > To be a little bit pedantic it is not just a simple Esc =3D Cancel and OK= =3D > Enter. > Esc is used for cancel and sometimes for No reponses, and in some > cases to dismiss any window without taking an action (so this could > even include a message dialog that only had an Ok button). Yes. > As for binding Return to Ok, > When you open a dialog if you are willing to > accept all the default values, the Ok button should be in focus and you > you should be able to simply accept by hitting Return. Yes. > You probably dont want hitting return anywhere in a dialog to be > equivalent to okay. for example in a password dialog hitting return > after typing in the username it does not make sense to hit ok, it should > bring you to the next box to enter your password first.=20=20 We had a long discussion about this on the Dillo list. I checked a number of browsers, and several have Return be submit, even when there are more input fields. Tab is what is used to navigate. 'Return', by its very name, returns you to where you were before (and 'enter' says to enter the data you've typed in into the system).=20 > It makes sense in other circumstances where more data is needed. I get > very annoyed at the Gtk file dialog thinking i want to save to a file > called dirname/ and then fail and close the save window (but the many > annoyances of the file dialog is a rant best left to the > desktop-devel-list). Don't get me started on the file selector. They promised a better one in 2.0.4 at the latest:( It's an embarrassment to GTK. > This is my understanding of it, off the top of my head, i have not > thought it through in detail or read any usability papers on the matter > so my description is obviously somewhat lacking. I > assume you were just simplifying for brevity, i will add my comments to > the bug report. I'd really like to see some usability papers on this subject. -Lars --=20 Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| H=E5rdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |------------------------= ---- will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbas= ket? From horkana@tcd.ie Thu Oct 17 09:46:30 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 33F86183EC for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 09:46:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from graham.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 17 Oct 2002 14:46:28 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:46:25 +0100 (IST) From: Alan Horkan X-X-Sender: horkana@graham.maths.tcd.ie To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: text alignment In-Reply-To: <81n0pdqjez.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 17 Oct 2002, Lars Clausen wrote: > Double-click the 'T' icon in the toolbox and set your default to Left there. Already done it. What i am aksing is has everyone else changed the default too and would Left aligned be a better default. > We've been considering such a thing, where to edit text, you first have to > select the text and then click again to edit. This would solve a number of > problems with editing, such as single-key menu shortcuts getting in the > way, good cut-and-paste, allow for text field navigation etc. It's > definitely a good idea. Cool i might just file a feature request for 'better text widget' or some such later. > > I am also wondering if perhaps all the little suggestions i keep making > > are somehow counter productive and that rather asking for lots of little > > fixes Dia should be trying to reuse other peoples code or move to using > > an entirely new Canvas widget? > > I don't know of a better Canvas widget. ANd many of these suggestions are > not really about the canvas, but about how Dia objects behave. I was thinkng code reuse, avoiding redundant effort and stuff. Later Alan H. From horkana@tcd.ie Thu Oct 17 09:49:48 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DEB3F180E7 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 09:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from graham.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 17 Oct 2002 14:49:46 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:49:45 +0100 (IST) From: Alan Horkan X-X-Sender: horkana@graham.maths.tcd.ie To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: changing properties dialogue In-Reply-To: <81it01qj66.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > Don't get me started on the file selector. They promised a better one in > 2.0.4 at the latest:( It's an embarrassment to GTK. Next time i have a few days free i intend to take a massive brian dump on the desktop-devel-list. After that i move on to ranting about how much gnome multimedia GUIs suck. Alan H. From jklowden@schemamania.org Thu Oct 17 19:52:29 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from lowden.schemamania.org (jklowden-0.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.254.83.207]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF2C1180EC for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 19:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lowden (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lowden.schemamania.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g9HNqMl29571 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 19:52:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 19:52:22 -0400 From: "James K. Lowden" To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: changing properties dialogue Message-Id: <20021017195222.69b2e792.jklowden@schemamania.org> In-Reply-To: <81it01qj66.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> References: <81it01qj66.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.5 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386--netbsdelf) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 17 Oct 2002 08:38:57 -0500, Lars Clausen wrote: > > You probably dont want hitting return anywhere in a dialog to be > > equivalent to okay. for example in a password dialog hitting return > > after typing in the username it does not make sense to hit ok, it > > should bring you to the next box to enter your password first. > > We had a long discussion about this on the Dillo list. I checked a > number of browsers, and several have Return be submit, even when there > are more input fields. Tab is what is used to navigate. 'Return', by > its very name, returns you to where you were before (and 'enter' says to > enter the data you've typed in into the system). The answer is simple and consistent. Every dialog has a default button, and presses it. Most dialogs set "OK" as the default, but occasionally not, for something that can do a lot of damage, like a GUI version of fdisk(8). GTK provides clear visual feedback showing which button is the default. The error many dialog designers make is to enable "OK" before it should be. Until the requisite data are provided, it should be disabled. Taking your password dialog example, if "OK" is disabled until a username and long-enough password are provided, pressing does nothing, because the default button is disabled. ( would still invoke "Cancel", of course. I can't think of a reason ever to disable "Cancel".) Reminds me of a story I saw in the New York Times about Slashdot the other day. (That's right, not the other way around; you read that improbable sentence correctly.) It seems on the front door to the office they have a little key stolen from a keyboard, inviting you in. On your way out, you'll see on the back of that same front door its older cousin: . --jkl From lrclause@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu Thu Oct 17 21:23:37 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (shasta.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.246.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B4CC18160 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 21:23:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) with ESMTP id g9I1NbaA010562 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 20:23:37 -0500 Received: (from lrclause@localhost) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) id g9I1NbLu010558; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 20:23:37 -0500 Subject: Re: changing properties dialogue To: dia-list@gnome.org References: <81it01qj66.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> <20021017195222.69b2e792.jklowden@schemamania.org> From: Lars Clausen Date: 17 Oct 2002 20:23:37 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20021017195222.69b2e792.jklowden@schemamania.org> Message-ID: <811y6or146.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Lines: 47 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, James K. Lowden wrote: > On 17 Oct 2002 08:38:57 -0500, Lars Clausen wrote: >> > You probably dont want hitting return anywhere in a dialog to be >> > equivalent to okay. for example in a password dialog hitting return >> > after typing in the username it does not make sense to hit ok, it >> > should bring you to the next box to enter your password first.=20=20 >>=20 >> We had a long discussion about this on the Dillo list. I checked a >> number of browsers, and several have Return be submit, even when there >> are more input fields. Tab is what is used to navigate. 'Return', by >> its very name, returns you to where you were before (and 'enter' says to >> enter the data you've typed in into the system).=20 >=20 > The answer is simple and consistent. Every dialog has a default button, > and presses it. Most dialogs set "OK" as the default, but > occasionally not, for something that can do a lot of damage, like a GUI > version of fdisk(8). GTK provides clear visual feedback showing which > button is the default.=20=20 >=20 > The error many dialog designers make is to enable "OK" before it should > be. Until the requisite data are provided, it should be disabled. > Taking your password dialog example, if "OK" is disabled until a username > and long-enough password are provided, pressing does nothing, > because the default button is disabled. ( would still invoke > "Cancel", of course. I can't think of a reason ever to disable > "Cancel".) Well, for our Properties dialogues (except maybe UML Class), there is not problem of not having provided enough info (though it may be possible in the future with complex properties), so Enter should be enabled by default. > Reminds me of a story I saw in the New York Times about Slashdot the > other day. (That's right, not the other way around; you read that > improbable sentence correctly.) It seems on the front door to the office > they have a little key stolen from a keyboard, inviting you in. > On your way out, you'll see on the back of that same front door its older > cousin: . Cute:) -Lars --=20 Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| H=E5rdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |------------------------= ---- will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbas= ket? From nemo@chepelov.org Fri Oct 18 03:27:06 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from chepelov.net1.nerim.net (chepelov.net1.nerim.net [62.212.101.212]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15951180D9 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 03:27:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from muscat.intra.chepelov.org ([2001:7a8:1084::1]) by chepelov.net1.nerim.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 182RiZ-0001Vh-00 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 09:38:47 +0200 Received: from cyrille by muscat.intra.chepelov.org with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 182RX7-0003dt-00 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 09:26:57 +0200 Subject: Dia ChangeLog report for Fri Oct 18 07:23:02 2002 (UTC) X-Daemon-Owner: Cyrille Chepelov X-Send-Complaints-To: /dev/null X-Nemo-Version: 4 Message-Id: From: Dia ChangeLog Daemon To: dia-list@gnome.org Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 09:26:57 +0200 Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Snapshots available at http://www.crans.org/~chepelov/dia/snapshots *** Recent ChangeLog entries: --- ChangeLog.previous 2002-10-17 09:23:33.000000000 +0200 +++ dia-cvs-snapshot/ChangeLog 2002-10-18 09:23:06.000000000 +0200 @@ -1,3 +1,13 @@ +2002-10-17 Lars Clausen + + * app/paginate_psprint.c: Removed unnecessary decl of autosave + stuff. + + * app/display.c (ddisplay_set_renderer): Calls to begin/end render. + + * app/export_png.c (export_png_ok): Saving more variables from the + evil setjmp. + 2002-10-16 Lars Clausen * lib/dialibartrenderer.c (begin_render): From alan.meech@caris.com Fri Oct 18 08:06:56 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from caris.universal.ca (universal.ca [198.164.13.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5402B18D22 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 08:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ameechnt (proxy.caris.com [198.164.13.3]) by caris.universal.ca (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g9IC6lF19642 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 09:06:47 -0300 Message-ID: <022701c2769e$d1fd6470$eec8a8c0@caris.priv> From: "Alan Meech" To: Subject: Text Problems in MS Word Using WMF Export Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 09:06:41 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I am currently using DIA (0.9 on Win32) to generate diagrams for use in MS Word (97, I think). I export the diagrams in WMF (Windows metafile) format and import the WMF into Word as an "image from file" since this seems to work best. In most cases, the linework and most text comes out fine, but many of the resulting text strings are shifted to the left or aligned improperly. Also, Word says that they are usually at point size 2.0 (rather small). I notice that a lot of people seem to be doing this, so I was wondering if anyone had found a solution to this. A specific example is the UML class object types that are included in DIA's release. Is it simply a matter of increasing the font size in the properties of the shapes? Thanks. From thorsten.roggendorf@uni-bielefeld.de Fri Oct 18 09:01:15 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.uni-bielefeld.de (mail2.uni-bielefeld.de [129.70.4.90]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D459182AC for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 09:01:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (kyb281.biologie.uni-bielefeld.de [129.70.76.28]) by mail.uni-bielefeld.de (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.4.0.2000.10.12.16.25.p8) with ESMTP id <0H4600MCZHI0RN@mail.uni-bielefeld.de> for dia-list@gnome.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 15:01:12 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 15:06:14 +0200 From: Thorsten Roggendorf Subject: cybernetic shapes [Bug 95553] To: dia-list@gnome.org Message-id: <1034946375.24924.22.camel@kyb281> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.5 Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, I have written a couple of shapes some months ago. See the following mails from the archive for details: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/dia-list/2002-April/msg00183.html http://mail.gnome.org/archives/dia-list/2002-April/msg00190.html http://mail.gnome.org/archives/dia-list/2002-April/msg00194.html http://mail.gnome.org/archives/dia-list/2002-July/msg00026.html http://mail.gnome.org/archives/dia-list/2002-July/msg00044.html Thanks to Alan for compiling these! I became lazy and did not make the necessary changes to the dia build files. Alan reminded me (thanks again) and I started the necessary works. I got stuck though. Could somebody who is familar with the dia shapes directory tree have look at bug 95553: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=95553 and tell me how I should proceed? Thorsten From mattam@netcourrier.com Fri Oct 18 11:35:34 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from mat (lns06v-9-156.w.club-internet.fr [212.194.116.156]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 435FC18D79 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 11:35:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mat by mat with local (Exim 4.05) id 182ZA5-0002ux-00 for dia-list@gnome.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 17:35:41 +0200 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 17:35:41 +0200 From: Matthieu Sozeau To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: XSLT_PREFIX patch Message-ID: <20021018153541.GD5642@mattam.ath.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="EeQfGwPcQSOJBaQU" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --EeQfGwPcQSOJBaQU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline This patch apparently didn't make it to dia-cvs. It adds the --with-xslt-prefix= configure option. M@t --EeQfGwPcQSOJBaQU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="configure.in.diff" Index: configure.in =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/dia/configure.in,v retrieving revision 1.172 diff -u -r1.172 configure.in --- configure.in 24 Sep 2002 23:29:39 -0000 1.172 +++ configure.in 18 Oct 2002 15:31:21 -0000 @@ -103,10 +103,21 @@ PKG_CHECK_MODULES(XSLT, libxslt, have_xslt=true, have_xslt=false) AM_CONDITIONAL(HAVE_XSLT, $have_xslt) if test "$have_xslt" = "true"; then - XSLT_DIR="xslt" + XSLT_DIR="xslt" +else + XSLT_DIR="" fi AC_SUBST(XSLT_DIR) + + +AC_ARG_WITH(xslt-prefix, + [ --with-xslt-prefix=path where to look for the shared xslt library (/usr)], + [XSLT_PREFIX="${withval}/lib/"],[XSLT_PREFIX="/usr/lib/"]) + +AC_SUBST(XSLT_PREFIX) + + dnl dnl Popt dnl --EeQfGwPcQSOJBaQU-- From ccrandall77@yahoo.com Fri Oct 18 11:57:41 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from web40306.mail.yahoo.com (web40306.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.85]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DEF12182B0 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 11:57:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20021018155740.69543.qmail@web40306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.76.139.12] by web40306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 08:57:40 PDT Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 08:57:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Curt Crandall Subject: Formatting problems in RedHat 8.0 To: dia-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, I'm trying to create a UML class diagram on my RedHat 8.0 box. I've used Dia before and have not run into the problem I'm currently running into now. What's happening is that the class icon is getting stretched WAY too long and I have no way in which to resize it. I've noticed similar behavior with package icons and in the small package stereotype field, the letters have asthetically unpleasing spaces between them. There are other similar formatting issues I'm running into that are too numerous to list here. Functionally, everything acts the way it should... it's just that spacings and icon sizes are whacky and I cannot resize. Like I indicated above, I'm running RH 8.0 and the version of Dia I have is v0.90. If anyone knows of a way to fix my problem or can point me to someplace in the documentation I've overlooked, I'd greatly appreciate it. TIA, Curt __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From lrclause@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu Fri Oct 18 14:25:50 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (shasta.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.246.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3F201817F for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 14:25:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) with ESMTP id g9IIPlaA019556 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:25:47 -0500 Received: (from lrclause@localhost) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) id g9IIPlOm019552; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:25:47 -0500 Subject: Re: Formatting problems in RedHat 8.0 To: dia-list@gnome.org References: <20021018155740.69543.qmail@web40306.mail.yahoo.com> From: Lars Clausen Date: 18 Oct 2002 13:25:46 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20021018155740.69543.qmail@web40306.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <811y6nzjrp.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Lines: 30 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Friday, 18 October '02, Curt Crandall wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I'm trying to create a UML class diagram on my > RedHat 8.0 box. I've used Dia before and have not run > into the problem I'm currently running into now.=20 > What's happening is that the class icon is getting > stretched WAY too long and I have no way in which to > resize it. I've noticed similar behavior with package > icons and in the small package stereotype field, the > letters have asthetically unpleasing spaces between > them. There are other similar formatting issues I'm > running into that are too numerous to list here. The spacing on text boxes in general on 0.90 was suffering from problems with resizing of fonts. Basically, fonts don't scale linearly. We took a conservative margin to make sure no fonts ran over the edge, this leaves extra space at some sizes. In the CVS version, we attempt to account for this by picking one scale and then resizing fonts at other scales to match the relative length of that. It's not perfect, but it's somewhat better. -Lars --=20 Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| H=E5rdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |------------------------= ---- will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbas= ket? From ccrandall77@yahoo.com Fri Oct 18 14:38:23 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from web40309.mail.yahoo.com (web40309.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.88]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1231B1817F for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 14:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20021018183822.84688.qmail@web40309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.76.139.12] by web40309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 11:38:22 PDT Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 11:38:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Curt Crandall Subject: Re: Formatting problems in RedHat 8.0 To: dia-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <811y6nzjrp.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Lars, Thank you for your prompt response. I will give the CVS version a try later tonight. In the meantime, can you recommend a particular font/size that would minimize this issue if possible? Right now, I'm just using the default and I have not tried adjusting the font. Thanks, Curt --- Lars Clausen wrote: > The spacing on text boxes in general on 0.90 was > suffering from problems > with resizing of fonts. Basically, fonts don't > scale linearly. We took a > conservative margin to make sure no fonts ran over > the edge, this leaves > extra space at some sizes. > > In the CVS version, we attempt to account for this > by picking one scale and > then resizing fonts at other scales to match the > relative length of that. > It's not perfect, but it's somewhat better. > > -Lars __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From lrclause@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu Fri Oct 18 15:37:41 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (shasta.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.246.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCD1B18139 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 15:37:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) with ESMTP id g9IJbeaA020497 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 14:37:40 -0500 Received: (from lrclause@localhost) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) id g9IJbeNJ020493; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 14:37:40 -0500 Subject: Re: Formatting problems in RedHat 8.0 To: dia-list@gnome.org References: <20021018183822.84688.qmail@web40309.mail.yahoo.com> From: Lars Clausen Date: 18 Oct 2002 14:37:40 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20021018183822.84688.qmail@web40309.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <81smz3y1vf.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Lines: 23 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Friday, 18 October '02, Curt Crandall wrote: > Lars, >=20 > Thank you for your prompt response. I will give the > CVS version a try later tonight. In the meantime, can > you recommend a particular font/size that would > minimize this issue if possible? Right now, I'm just > using the default and I have not tried adjusting the > font. The thing is that the length changes as you zoom in and out, and also as you change the zoom for fit-to. If you have problems with the CVS version, you could change the fudge factor in lib/font.c, line 1500 (font_string_width). -Lars --=20 Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| H=E5rdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |------------------------= ---- will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbas= ket? From ccrandall77@yahoo.com Fri Oct 18 15:47:19 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from web40309.mail.yahoo.com (web40309.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.88]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A72AC18748 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 15:47:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20021018194717.95290.qmail@web40309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.76.139.12] by web40309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 12:47:17 PDT Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 12:47:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Curt Crandall Subject: Re: Formatting problems in RedHat 8.0 To: dia-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <81smz3y1vf.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Lars, I just saw that behavior a few minutes ago when I was adjusting the zoom. Seems like 70.7% works the best. Thanks for the tips. If the CVS version and fudging of font.c don't work for me, I can just go back to what I had on RH 7.1/2 for now. It's not a huge deal since my client is going to make me import a lot of this stuff back into Visio when I'm finished. Thanks, Curt --- Lars Clausen wrote: > The thing is that the length changes as you zoom in > and out, and also as > you change the zoom for fit-to. > > If you have problems with the CVS version, you could > change the fudge > factor in lib/font.c, line 1500 (font_string_width). > > -Lars __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From lrclause@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu Fri Oct 18 17:13:09 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (shasta.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.246.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C240180EB for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 17:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) with ESMTP id g9ILD8aA021261 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 16:13:08 -0500 Received: (from lrclause@localhost) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) id g9ILD8kb021257; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 16:13:08 -0500 Subject: Re: Formatting problems in RedHat 8.0 To: dia-list@gnome.org References: <20021018194717.95290.qmail@web40309.mail.yahoo.com> From: Lars Clausen Date: 18 Oct 2002 16:13:08 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20021018194717.95290.qmail@web40309.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <81of9rxxgb.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Lines: 25 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Friday, 18 October '02, Curt Crandall wrote: > Lars, >=20 > I just saw that behavior a few minutes ago when I > was adjusting the zoom. Seems like 70.7% works the > best. > Thanks for the tips. If the CVS version and fudging > of font.c don't work for me, I can just go back to > what I had on RH 7.1/2 for now.=20=20 Note that the fudging in font.c is for version 0.90. > It's not a huge deal > since my client is going to make me import a lot of > this stuff back into Visio when I'm finished. Oh, that sucks:( I hope it imports well. -Lars --=20 Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| H=E5rdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |------------------------= ---- will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbas= ket? From aisaac@american.edu Fri Oct 18 22:26:16 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from augcluster.american.edu (mailout.american.edu [147.9.1.42]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61B8618198 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 22:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from JACKSONVILLE ([147.9.11.129]) by augcluster.american.edu (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.10) with ESMTP id 2002101822261491:625914 ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 22:26:14 -0400 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 22:28:13 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: Alan G Isaac Subject: Re[4]: transparent layer? To: dia-list@gnome.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Organization: American University X-Mailer: Mahogany 0.64.2 'Sparc', running under Windows NT 5.0 (build 2195) X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on AUGcluster/AmericanU(Release 5.0.10 |March 22, 2002) at 10/18/2002 10:26:15 PM, Serialize by Router on AUGcluster/AmericanU(Release 5.0.10 |March 22, 2002) at 10/18/2002 10:26:16 PM Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="15206875-1198-1034994495=:1444" Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --15206875-1198-1034994495=:1444 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: INLINE On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 07:00:41 -0500 Luis A Escobar wrote: > Alan, i don't write postscript, so i don't know how to make them > in postscript either. Example attached. Cheers, Alan --15206875-1198-1034994495=:1444 Content-Type: APPLICATION/POSTSCRIPT; NAME="unint.eps" Content-Disposition: INLINE; FILENAME="unint.eps" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 JSFQUy1BZG9iZS0zLjAgRVBTRi0zLjANCiUlQm91bmRpbmdCb3g6IDcwIDcwIDU0MiAyOTENCiUl UGFnZXM6IDENCiUlQ3JlYXRvcjogQWxhbiBHLiBJc2FhYw0KJSVUaXRsZTogdW5pbnQNCiUlRW5k Q29tbWVudHMNCiUlQmVnaW5Qcm9sb2cNCi9pbmNoIHs3MiBtdWx9IGRlZg0KJSVFbmRQcm9sb2cN CiUlUGFnZTogMSAxDQoNCjIgc2V0bGluZXdpZHRoDQoxIGluY2ggMSBpbmNoIHRyYW5zbGF0ZQ0K MCBpbmNoIDAgaW5jaCAzIGluY2ggMyBpbmNoIHJlY3RzdHJva2UNCm5ld3BhdGgNCjEgaW5jaCAx LjUgaW5jaCAuNzUgaW5jaCAwIDM2MCBhcmMNCjEgaW5jaCAwIHJtb3ZldG8NCjIgaW5jaCAxLjUg aW5jaCAuNzUgaW5jaCAwIDM2MCBhcmMNCmdzYXZlDQogLjggc2V0Z3JheQ0KIGZpbGwNCmdyZXN0 b3JlDQpzdHJva2UNCg0KDQozLjUgaW5jaCAwIGluY2ggdHJhbnNsYXRlDQowIGluY2ggMCBpbmNo IDMgaW5jaCAzIGluY2ggcmVjdHN0cm9rZQ0KbmV3cGF0aA0KMSBpbmNoIDEuNSBpbmNoIC43NSBp bmNoIDAgMzYwIGFyYw0KZ3NhdmUNCmNsaXANCm5ld3BhdGgNCjIgaW5jaCAxLjUgaW5jaCAuNzUg aW5jaCAwIDM2MCBhcmMNCiAuOCBzZXRncmF5DQogZmlsbA0KZ3Jlc3RvcmUNCm5ld3BhdGgNCjEg aW5jaCAxLjUgaW5jaCAuNzUgaW5jaCAwIDM2MCBhcmMNCjEgaW5jaCAwIHJtb3ZldG8NCjIgaW5j aCAxLjUgaW5jaCAuNzUgaW5jaCAwIDM2MCBhcmMNCnN0cm9rZQ0KDQoNCnNob3dwYWdlDQolJUVP Rg0K --15206875-1198-1034994495=:1444-- From nemo@chepelov.org Sat Oct 19 03:26:47 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from chepelov.net1.nerim.net (chepelov.net1.nerim.net [62.212.101.212]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B06131811F for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 03:26:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from muscat.intra.chepelov.org ([2001:7a8:1084::1]) by chepelov.net1.nerim.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 182oBy-0000cT-00 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 09:38:39 +0200 Received: from cyrille by muscat.intra.chepelov.org with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 182o0L-0000xY-00 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 09:26:37 +0200 Subject: Dia ChangeLog report for Sat Oct 19 07:23:01 2002 (UTC) X-Daemon-Owner: Cyrille Chepelov X-Send-Complaints-To: /dev/null X-Nemo-Version: 4 Message-Id: From: Dia ChangeLog Daemon To: dia-list@gnome.org Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 09:26:37 +0200 Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Snapshots available at http://www.crans.org/~chepelov/dia/snapshots *** Recent ChangeLog entries: --- ChangeLog.previous 2002-10-18 09:23:57.000000000 +0200 +++ dia-cvs-snapshot/ChangeLog 2002-10-19 09:23:05.000000000 +0200 @@ -1,3 +1,7 @@ +2002-10-18 Stanislav Brabec + + * configure.in: Added cs to ALL_LINGUAS. + 2002-10-17 Lars Clausen * app/paginate_psprint.c: Removed unnecessary decl of autosave From luis@lsu.edu Sat Oct 19 12:10:06 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from gate002.lsu.edu (gate002.ocs.lsu.edu [130.39.184.137]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C379B1812B for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 12:10:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Re[4]: transparent layer? To: dia-list@gnome.org From: "Luis A Escobar" Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 11:10:04 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=86256C57005883978f9e8a93df938690918c86256C5700588397" Content-Disposition: inline Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --0__=86256C57005883978f9e8a93df938690918c86256C5700588397 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Alan, thank you sending this to me. They look great. I took a look at the postscript. It is amazing that so few lines do this so well. I don't understand the postcript language but i will study it to see if I can emulate other operations. A Dia solution will be nice and it also has the advantage (to me) that I could use LaTeX to annotate it with pretty math symbols. Thanks again for the good help., Best regards, Luis A Alan G Isaac @gnome.org on 10/18/2002 09:28:13 PM Please respond to dia-list@gnome.org Sent by: dia-list-admin@gnome.org To: dia-list@gnome.org cc: (bcc: Luis A Escobar/luis/LSU) Subject: Re[4]: transparent layer? On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 07:00:41 -0500 Luis A Escobar wrote: > Alan, i don't write postscript, so i don't know how to make them > in postscript either. Example attached. Cheers, Alan (See attached file: unint.eps) --0__=86256C57005883978f9e8a93df938690918c86256C5700588397 Content-type: application/postscript; name="unint.eps" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="unint.eps" Content-transfer-encoding: base64 JSFQUy1BZG9iZS0zLjAgRVBTRi0zLjANCiUlQm91bmRpbmdCb3g6IDcwIDcwIDU0MiAyOTENCiUl UGFnZXM6IDENCiUlQ3JlYXRvcjogQWxhbiBHLiBJc2FhYw0KJSVUaXRsZTogdW5pbnQNCiUlRW5k Q29tbWVudHMNCiUlQmVnaW5Qcm9sb2cNCi9pbmNoIHs3MiBtdWx9IGRlZg0KJSVFbmRQcm9sb2cN CiUlUGFnZTogMSAxDQoNCjIgc2V0bGluZXdpZHRoDQoxIGluY2ggMSBpbmNoIHRyYW5zbGF0ZQ0K MCBpbmNoIDAgaW5jaCAzIGluY2ggMyBpbmNoIHJlY3RzdHJva2UNCm5ld3BhdGgNCjEgaW5jaCAx LjUgaW5jaCAuNzUgaW5jaCAwIDM2MCBhcmMNCjEgaW5jaCAwIHJtb3ZldG8NCjIgaW5jaCAxLjUg aW5jaCAuNzUgaW5jaCAwIDM2MCBhcmMNCmdzYXZlDQogLjggc2V0Z3JheQ0KIGZpbGwNCmdyZXN0 b3JlDQpzdHJva2UNCg0KDQozLjUgaW5jaCAwIGluY2ggdHJhbnNsYXRlDQowIGluY2ggMCBpbmNo IDMgaW5jaCAzIGluY2ggcmVjdHN0cm9rZQ0KbmV3cGF0aA0KMSBpbmNoIDEuNSBpbmNoIC43NSBp bmNoIDAgMzYwIGFyYw0KZ3NhdmUNCmNsaXANCm5ld3BhdGgNCjIgaW5jaCAxLjUgaW5jaCAuNzUg aW5jaCAwIDM2MCBhcmMNCiAuOCBzZXRncmF5DQogZmlsbA0KZ3Jlc3RvcmUNCm5ld3BhdGgNCjEg aW5jaCAxLjUgaW5jaCAuNzUgaW5jaCAwIDM2MCBhcmMNCjEgaW5jaCAwIHJtb3ZldG8NCjIgaW5j aCAxLjUgaW5jaCAuNzUgaW5jaCAwIDM2MCBhcmMNCnN0cm9rZQ0KDQoNCnNob3dwYWdlDQolJUVP Rg0K --0__=86256C57005883978f9e8a93df938690918c86256C5700588397-- From horkana@tcd.ie Sat Oct 19 14:59:09 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3095D18112 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 14:59:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 19 Oct 2002 19:59:07 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 19:59:06 +0100 (IST) From: Alan Horkan X-X-Sender: horkana@turing.maths.tcd.ie To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: changing properties dialogue In-Reply-To: <20021017195222.69b2e792.jklowden@schemamania.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, James K. Lowden wrote: > Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 19:52:22 -0400 > From: James K. Lowden > Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org > To: dia-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: changing properties dialogue Thanks for the clarification > The error many dialog designers make is to enable "OK" before it should > be. Until the requisite data are provided, it should be disabled. Taking > your password dialog example, if "OK" is disabled until a username and > long-enough password are provided, pressing does nothing, because Good design would use return to put you in the next text box that required data (in this case the password box). So while doing nothing is "correct" it is not the best answer. But as you were better able to explain this in the first place you probably already know that but hopefully the good design will sink into the subconscious of others on the list. I wish i could say what usability principle this illustrated, gotta memorize the buzzwords! > Reminds me of a story I saw in the New York Times about Slashdot the other > day. (That's right, not the other way around; you read that improbable > sentence correctly.) It seems on the front door to the office they have a > little key stolen from a keyboard, inviting you in. On your way > out, you'll see on the back of that same front door its older cousin: > . Yoink! i am gonna copy that. Later Alan From sureshsaragadam@rediffmail.com Sat Oct 19 11:16:49 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from webmail28.rediffmail.com (unknown [203.199.83.38]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 78D241814F for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 11:16:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26353 invoked by uid 510); 19 Oct 2002 15:18:43 -0000 Date: 19 Oct 2002 15:18:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20021019151843.26352.qmail@webmail28.rediffmail.com> Received: from unknown (65.31.79.39) by rediffmail.com via HTTP; 19 oct 2002 15:18:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "suresh s" To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: how to set default options Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org X-Reply-To: "suresh s" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I have seviour problem with dia, here each time i open a new file or old one i am changing the settings required again ang again is there any facility to make default settings (like color of background and like box color ) thanking u sir S.Suresh From jklowden@schemamania.org Sat Oct 19 17:41:48 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from lowden.schemamania.org (jklowden-0.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.254.83.207]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EB87180F1 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 17:41:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lowden (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lowden.schemamania.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g9JLffl09637 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 17:41:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 17:41:41 -0400 From: "James K. Lowden" To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: changing properties dialogue Message-Id: <20021019174141.7ee362df.jklowden@schemamania.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20021017195222.69b2e792.jklowden@schemamania.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.5 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386--netbsdelf) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sat, 19 Oct 2002 19:59:06 +0100 (IST), Alan Horkan wrote: > > The error many dialog designers make is to enable "OK" before it > > should be. Until the requisite data are provided, it should be > > disabled. Taking your password dialog example, if "OK" is disabled > > until a username and long-enough password are provided, pressing > > does nothing, because > > Good design would use return to put you in the next text box > that required data (in this case the password box). > So while doing nothing is "correct" it is not the best answer. Alan, The problem with that approach is that gets treated inconsistently among dialogs. Given a login screen with just Username and Password fields and "OK" and "Cancel", sure, you can say proceeds to the next required field, and from there to "OK". Sure, it's asking one button to do two jobs, but it's also a little helpful. Then consider a little address form, with some required and some optional fields. What should do now? Move to the next field (like tab)? Move to the next required field? If you're on the last field (perhaps using the mouse), should it press "OK" then? When all the required fields are completed, should it press "OK" then? If behaves as I describe, pressing it before the required data are filled in provides feedback i.e., that you haven't supplied all the necessary information. You expect it to dismiss the dialog; when it doesn't, you're bound to look closer. Occasionally you'll come across a malformed dialog such as my hypothetical address form that thinks is like only bigger and on the other side. You'll fill in the required data, and press . It won't dismiss. You'll look at "OK" and see it's enabled, and if you squint you'll see the little "I" bar has moved to some inconsequential place you weren't thinking of. If you're like me, you'll then grab the mouse, click on the blasted "OK" button, and mutter a little curse^W prayer about consistency. You and I have just examined this in minute detail. Normal people would only gather a vague sense unpredictability. navigates, cancels, proceeds. On ancient Mayan keyboards, they even called it . Regards, --jkl From lrclause@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu Sat Oct 19 21:15:08 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (shasta.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.246.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7393C18516 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 21:15:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) with ESMTP id g9K1F7aA032387 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 20:15:07 -0500 Received: (from lrclause@localhost) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) id g9K1F7Kh032383; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 20:15:07 -0500 Subject: Re: how to set default options To: dia-list@gnome.org References: <20021019151843.26352.qmail@webmail28.rediffmail.com> From: Lars Clausen Date: 19 Oct 2002 20:15:07 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20021019151843.26352.qmail@webmail28.rediffmail.com> Message-ID: <81y98t7vxg.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Lines: 21 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 19 Oct 2002, suresh s. wrote: >=20 > I have seviour problem with dia, >=20 > here each time i open a new file or old one > i am changing the settings required again ang again >=20 > is there any facility to make default settings > (like color of background and like box color ) > thanking u sir For version 0.90 and up, double-clicking on the toolbox icons will open a defaults dialog, and those defaults are saved between sessions. -Lars --=20 Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| H=E5rdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |------------------------= ---- will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbas= ket? From lrclause@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu Sat Oct 19 21:17:31 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (shasta.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.246.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FD1E1877B for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 21:17:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) with ESMTP id g9K1HUaA032406 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 20:17:30 -0500 Received: (from lrclause@localhost) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) id g9K1HU96032402; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 20:17:30 -0500 Subject: Re: changing properties dialogue To: dia-list@gnome.org References: <20021017195222.69b2e792.jklowden@schemamania.org> <20021019174141.7ee362df.jklowden@schemamania.org> From: Lars Clausen Date: 19 Oct 2002 20:17:30 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20021019174141.7ee362df.jklowden@schemamania.org> Message-ID: <81u1jh7vth.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Lines: 14 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sat, 19 Oct 2002, James K. Lowden wrote: > navigates, cancels, proceeds. On ancient Mayan > keyboards, they even called it .=20=20 So that means that we should have Enter close the properties dialog? I can't think of any cases where there is any required data entry. -Lars wants a Mayan keyboard. --=20 Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| H=E5rdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |------------------------= ---- will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbas= ket? From jklowden@schemamania.org Sat Oct 19 23:19:14 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from lowden.schemamania.org (jklowden-0.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.254.83.207]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2077180E2 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 23:19:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lowden (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lowden.schemamania.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g9K3J8l09821 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 23:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 23:19:07 -0400 From: "James K. Lowden" To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: changing properties dialogue Message-Id: <20021019231907.7c8a4ec6.jklowden@schemamania.org> In-Reply-To: <81u1jh7vth.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> References: <20021017195222.69b2e792.jklowden@schemamania.org> <20021019174141.7ee362df.jklowden@schemamania.org> <81u1jh7vth.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.5 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386--netbsdelf) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 19 Oct 2002 20:17:30 -0500, Lars Clausen wrote: > On Sat, 19 Oct 2002, James K. Lowden wrote: > > navigates, cancels, proceeds. On ancient Mayan > > keyboards, they even called it . > > So that means that we should have Enter close the properties dialog? I > can't think of any cases where there is any required data entry. This thread started on Wednesday wrt the ER shape properties. For the record, I'm looking at $ dia --version Gnome dia 0.88.1 so I hope my commentary is relevant. To answer your question, Yes. "OK" should be the default button, and should activate it. If she changes the property and then changes her mind, will do nicely (and works). If she likes what she sees (whether or not she changed anything) will send it home and dismiss the dialog. What could be better? That dialog has no need for "Apply", either. What is it, like, 3rd base or something? Something she touches on her way home? I know, the idea is, pick a new color, press "Apply", look it over, and so on. But why? Why not apply the color when returning from the color selection dialog? That would be feedback. Of course, that would mean "Cancel" would have to undo the change, which is more work for the programmer. But it would be nice for the user. I went back to Alan's original scenario, changing the name of the shape. One might say, well, he can type in the name and press (invoking "Apply") and then to Dismiss. Convoluted, but mousefree. But. Pressing doesn't invoke "Apply". :( On that topic. Many years ago, I used IDE. Not "an IDE", the IDE, a case tool vendor of a product called "Software Through Pictures". What do you know? It's still around: http://www.aonix.com/content/products.html#stp At the time, I think it ran on OpenLook. This program had many cool features, but the best one was what they called, "Typing on the surface". If you wanted to change the name of the object, you clicked on it (once, not twice) and ... started typing. Viola, the gizmo on the screen became editable in place, "I" bar and all. When you were done, click somewhere else. *That* would be a feature. Can we do that? Around the same time, there was a shlocky but much cheaper product available on Windows (um, 3.0 I think) by the name of Popkin. I evaluated them both, tried to implement the same model on both. On price, Popkin had a big advantage. But on utility, on sheer elegance and thoughtfulness, the IDE product was better by far. Next to it, Popkin's offering was clunky at every turn. Not that that's anything to be ashamed of. In 15 years, I've never seen better. References. Havoc makes tangental reference to the editbox-eats- behavior and how to deal with it. Apparently it's a GTK (1?) misfeature. See the bottom of: http://developer.gnome.org/doc/GGAD/z101.html Location of buttons, their purposes, and choice of default button are discussed in the Gnome HIG: http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/1.0/windows.html#explicit-apply-figure I think we should adhere to the HIG unless we have strong reason not to. Gnome seems to consistently place the "good" button in the lower right, but they state it explicity in only one place that I found: http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/1.0/windows.html#alerts-information Look for "affirmative". HTH. --jkl P.S. On my RH 7.3 system, btw, the ER dialog has odd memory. The default button is the last one pressed. If you press "Cancel", that is the default the next time you open it. This might be related to what happens if I press : it dismisses the dialog but I can't reinvoke it, and soon after Dia crashes. :( From horkana@tcd.ie Sun Oct 20 17:53:47 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0D57C18129 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 17:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 20 Oct 2002 22:53:45 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 22:52:59 +0100 (IST) From: Alan Horkan X-X-Sender: horkana@turing.maths.tcd.ie To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: changing properties dialogue In-Reply-To: <20021019174141.7ee362df.jklowden@schemamania.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sat, 19 Oct 2002, James K. Lowden wrote: > Then consider a little address form, with some required and some optional > fields. What should do now? Move to the next field (like tab)? > Move to the next required field? If you're on the last field (perhaps > using the mouse), should it press "OK" then? When all the required fields > are completed, should it press "OK" then? > > If behaves as I describe, pressing it before the required data are > filled in provides feedback i.e., that you haven't supplied all the You are right of course I am just tired of poor error messages when the developers could have been a little smarter about things. Popping up a message dialog and saying something vague like "not all required fields were filled in" is not very good feedback Maybe some combination of a message dialog (i hear MS Office has a new less obtrusive type of message dialog for non essential warnings and suggesions) and then a clear indicater of what fields are required (hopefully these would already be indicated and failing to fill them in would indicate them in an even clearer manner) usability blah blah blah, i am getting a bit offtopic but that is what you get when you have a list where the reply-to: defaults to the list. (It is much more fun when you can just smugley tell people to get a better mail client :P or quit moaning and hit the reply All button and delete any extra addresses. Of course if more people used BCC those extra address would not come up. im really rambling now). Mayan keyboard, neat. I want an iBook keyboard (preferably with the rest of the iBook attached) Later Alan From horkana@tcd.ie Sun Oct 20 18:29:53 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DBD3018114 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 18:29:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 20 Oct 2002 23:29:32 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 23:29:32 +0100 (IST) From: Alan Horkan X-X-Sender: horkana@turing.maths.tcd.ie To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Faking it: Page, Print Layout, Layers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I decided to try using the layers feature in Dia. I created these two very simple documents that make Dia seem more like Visio and other programs which have a more page and print oriented layout. They use a layer to hold a page outline, and the current layer is set to be a differnt layer so user can just start drawing without accidentally clicking on it. I also messed about with layers to give me a better grid but I have a bus to catch and quite a detailed enhancement request about "Better Grid" to write very soon. Links: http://matrix.netsoc.tcd.ie/~horkana/dia/templates/View-PrintLayout_FakePage01Portrait.dia http://matrix.netsoc.tcd.ie/~horkana/dia/templates/View-PrintLayout_FakePage02Landscape.dia Use for whatever you like, no copyright or other messing on these two files. Sincerely Alan Horkan http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ PS it is raining heavily and I am probably going to miss my bus :( From mike_garnsey@yahoo.com Mon Oct 21 17:57:43 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from web20414.mail.yahoo.com (web20402.mail.yahoo.com [66.163.169.90]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 324881858C for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 17:57:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20021021215742.54597.qmail@web20414.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.63.70.246] by web20402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 14:57:42 PDT Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 14:57:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Garnsey Subject: home page for Dia win32 debian build effort To: dia-list@gnome.org Cc: introspector-developers@lists.sourceforge.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: FYI - I have set up a home page (http://introspector.sourceforge.net/dia_win32.htm) for the in-progress effort to create a set of Debian packages to enable a COMPLETE build of Dia for Win32 target on a Debian Linux development platform using MinGW cross-build tools. This effort is part of the "Introspector" project. FWIW, this web page includes a list of Dia dependencies that I hope may be of use to all Dia developers. Work on the various assorted Dia dependencies is progressing quite well (glib2 & libxml2 have been cross-built; gtk+ is in progress). As usual, volunteers are welcome!!! Cheers! Mike Garnsey __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From rpm@wag.caltech.edu Mon Oct 21 18:17:58 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from igor.wag.caltech.edu (igor.wag.caltech.edu [131.215.26.3]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39575180DF for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 18:17:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wag.caltech.edu (DHCP-26-223.wag.caltech.edu [131.215.26.223]) by igor.wag.caltech.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA3076208 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:17:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:17:57 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Dia shapes for chemistry From: Richard Muller To: dia-list@gnome.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I've just gone through the manuals and learned how to define new shapes and sheets for Dia. I'm really impressed with how easy it is, but had a few questions that I was hoping that someone could answer. Here's an example of one of the structures I've defined: Chemistry - Benzene Basic six-membered ring benzene.xpm Questions: 1. I would like to constrain the resizing so that if I change x, y is changed the same amount. Is there a way of doing this in SVG? 2. I would like to optionally label each vertex with a letter (e.g. "C" or "N"). Is there an easy way of doing this? Thanks in advance for any help you can offer. Rick rpm@wag.caltech.edu From horkana@tcd.ie Mon Oct 21 18:28:45 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1B738180F3 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 18:28:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 21 Oct 2002 23:28:42 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 23:28:41 +0100 (IST) From: Alan Horkan X-X-Sender: horkana@turing.maths.tcd.ie To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Dia shapes for chemistry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: it is easiest to draw the shapes in Dia itself and then export them to the .shape file format there is a tag that is roughly it, i dont memorise these things. best to export a .shape file or look at some of the existing files. there is a text object, agian with no Dia files available in front of me at the moment on my crappy dialup connection i suggest you look at the existing files. (take a look at the SDL sheet and the comment { object/shape which i do actually remember has some sort of text widget). Sincerely Alan Horkan http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ On Mon, 21 Oct 2002, Richard Muller wrote: > Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:17:57 -0700 > From: Richard Muller > Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org > To: dia-list@gnome.org > Subject: Dia shapes for chemistry > > I've just gone through the manuals and learned how to define new shapes > and sheets for Dia. I'm really impressed with how easy it is, but had a > few questions that I was hoping that someone could answer. > > Here's an example of one of the structures I've defined: > > > > xmlns:svg="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"> > Chemistry - Benzene > Basic six-membered ring > benzene.xpm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Questions: > 1. I would like to constrain the resizing so that if I change x, y is > changed the same amount. Is there a way of doing this in SVG? > > 2. I would like to optionally label each vertex with a letter (e.g. "C" > or "N"). Is there an easy way of doing this? > > Thanks in advance for any help you can offer. > > Rick > rpm@wag.caltech.edu > > _______________________________________________ > Dia-list mailing list > Dia-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list > FAQ at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia/faq.html > Main page at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia > From rsmith85@btinternet.com Mon Oct 21 18:58:23 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from rsdev (host213-122-203-76.in-addr.btopenworld.com [213.122.203.76]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D8FE180DF for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 18:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rsdev ([127.0.0.1]) by rsdev with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 183lZP-0000D9-00 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 00:02:47 +0100 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 00:02:46 +0100 From: Robert Smith To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Dia shapes for chemistry Message-Id: <20021022000246.39b909fa.rsmith85@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.3 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Your Chemistry shapes, will they be publically available, as I use dia a lot for chemistry and am in need of a good library of shapes. Regards Robert Smith On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:17:57 -0700 Richard Muller wrote: > I've just gone through the manuals and learned how to define new shapes > and sheets for Dia. I'm really impressed with how easy it is, but had a > few questions that I was hoping that someone could answer. > > Here's an example of one of the structures I've defined: > > > > xmlns:svg="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"> > Chemistry - Benzene > Basic six-membered ring > benzene.xpm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Questions: > 1. I would like to constrain the resizing so that if I change x, y is > changed the same amount. Is there a way of doing this in SVG? > > 2. I would like to optionally label each vertex with a letter (e.g. "C" > or "N"). Is there an easy way of doing this? > > Thanks in advance for any help you can offer. > > Rick > rpm@wag.caltech.edu > > _______________________________________________ > Dia-list mailing list > Dia-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list > FAQ at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia/faq.html > Main page at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia > ------ Message From : Robert Smith E-mail : rsmith85@btinternet.com Web : http://www.surf-u.co.uk --- "Money couldn't buy friends but you got a better class of enemy." - Spike Milligan : Puckoon (1963) From nemo@chepelov.org Tue Oct 22 03:28:14 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from chepelov.net1.nerim.net (chepelov.net1.nerim.net [62.212.101.212]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24818181BF for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 03:28:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from muscat.intra.chepelov.org ([2001:7a8:1084::1]) by chepelov.net1.nerim.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 183tdv-0006hA-00 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 09:39:59 +0200 Received: from cyrille by muscat.intra.chepelov.org with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 183tRH-0001Vl-00 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 09:26:55 +0200 Subject: Dia ChangeLog report for Tue Oct 22 07:23:02 2002 (UTC) X-Daemon-Owner: Cyrille Chepelov X-Send-Complaints-To: /dev/null X-Nemo-Version: 4 Message-Id: From: Dia ChangeLog Daemon To: dia-list@gnome.org Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 09:26:55 +0200 Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Snapshots available at http://www.crans.org/~chepelov/dia/snapshots *** Recent ChangeLog entries: --- ChangeLog.previous 2002-10-19 09:23:39.000000000 +0200 +++ dia-cvs-snapshot/ChangeLog 2002-10-22 09:23:08.000000000 +0200 @@ -1,3 +1,9 @@ +2002-10-21 Lars Clausen + + * app/connectionpoint_ops.c (diagram_update_connections_object): + Allows more than one connectionpoint on an object to be moved at a + time (bug #96306). + 2002-10-18 Stanislav Brabec * configure.in: Added cs to ALL_LINGUAS. From horkana@tcd.ie Tue Oct 22 07:58:19 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BB076180DD for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 07:58:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 22 Oct 2002 12:58:18 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 12:58:16 +0100 (IST) From: Alan Horkan X-X-Sender: horkana@turing.maths.tcd.ie To: dia-list@gnome.org Cc: Richard Muller Subject: Re: Dia shapes for chemistry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: ChemTool http://ruby.chemie.uni-freiburg.de/~martin/chemtool/chemtool.html Much as I am always glad to see people working to improve Dia and have it interoperate with other programs I wonder if you are using the best tool for the Job. I dont know if it is any good but Chemtool is what the students here seem to use. Best of luck. Sincerely Alan Horkan http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ On Mon, 21 Oct 2002, Richard Muller wrote: > Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:17:57 -0700 > From: Richard Muller > Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org > To: dia-list@gnome.org > Subject: Dia shapes for chemistry > > I've just gone through the manuals and learned how to define new shapes > and sheets for Dia. I'm really impressed with how easy it is, but had a > few questions that I was hoping that someone could answer. > From ccrandall77@yahoo.com Tue Oct 22 08:30:13 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from web40304.mail.yahoo.com (web40304.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.83]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4D902189B7 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 08:30:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20021022123012.49533.qmail@web40304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.94.244.114] by web40304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 05:30:12 PDT Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 05:30:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Curt Crandall Subject: Re: Dia shapes for chemistry To: dia-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: You may also want to look at ChemML. I don't have the URL, but I'm sure you can find it on Google. It's an XML technology and from what I understand you can download the appropriate DTD (or is it a XML Schema now?) and your browser should be able to transform the XML into graphical representations of chemicals... or so I've been told. I'm planning on using MathML and ChemML for a website I'm throwing together soon. HTH, Curt --- Alan Horkan wrote: > > ChemTool > http://ruby.chemie.uni-freiburg.de/~martin/chemtool/chemtool.html > > Much as I am always glad to see people working to > improve Dia and have it > interoperate with other programs I wonder if you are > using the best tool > for the Job. I dont know if it is any good but > Chemtool is what the > students here seem to use. > > Best of luck. > > Sincerely > > Alan Horkan > http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ > > > On Mon, 21 Oct 2002, Richard Muller wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:17:57 -0700 > > From: Richard Muller > > Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org > > To: dia-list@gnome.org > > Subject: Dia shapes for chemistry > > > > I've just gone through the manuals and learned how > to define new shapes > > and sheets for Dia. I'm really impressed with how > easy it is, but had a > > few questions that I was hoping that someone could > answer. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Dia-list mailing list > Dia-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list > FAQ at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia/faq.html > Main page at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From horkana@tcd.ie Tue Oct 22 08:45:39 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 591701812C for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 08:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 22 Oct 2002 13:45:38 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:45:38 +0100 (IST) From: Alan Horkan X-X-Sender: horkana@turing.maths.tcd.ie To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Dia shapes for chemistry In-Reply-To: <20021022123012.49533.qmail@web40304.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Tue, 22 Oct 2002, Curt Crandall wrote: > Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 05:30:12 -0700 (PDT) > From: Curt Crandall > Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org > To: dia-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: Dia shapes for chemistry > > You may also want to look at ChemML. I don't have the > URL, but I'm sure you can find it on Google. It's an > XML technology and from what I understand you can > download the appropriate DTD (or is it a XML Schema > now?) and your browser should be able to transform the > XML into graphical representations of chemicals... or > so I've been told. I'm planning on using MathML and > ChemML for a website I'm throwing together soon. ChemML is just a markup, you will still need a program of some sort and for display in a browser you would need a ChemML plugin. http://www.webcontentaccessibility.org/science.html From horkana@tcd.ie Tue Oct 22 09:31:03 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5D594180DD for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 09:31:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 22 Oct 2002 14:31:01 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 14:31:00 +0100 (IST) From: Alan Horkan X-X-Sender: horkana@turing.maths.tcd.ie To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Documentation of cybernetic shapes [Re: [Bug 95553] Changed - Cybernetic circuit shapes (fwd)] Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Wow! That was very cool. Sending to the list so that this will get archived on the web. I will have to see about making various improvements to the documentation, I made a bunch of screenshots yesterday and have a few notes of what I intend to add. I got a few ideas from the GIMP manual. Thanks, many thanks. Sincerely Alan Horkan http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 17:04:45 +0200 From: Thorsten Roggendorf To: Alan Horkan Subject: Re: [Bug 95553] Changed - Cybernetic circuit shapes Hi, Documentation of cybernetic shapes: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The cybernetic shapes serve the creation of cybernetic diagrams. Cybernetics is the theory of control circuits. A simple example is the way your air condition controls room temperature. The measured room temperature is compared to the desired room temperature. From the difference of the two an error signal is calculated that is used to tune the operation of the heater or cooler. Different controllers are possible each of which have advantages and disadvantages (e.g. achieved precision, undesired oscillations of controlled variable, speed of adjustment ...). Cybernetic theory can also be applied to extremely complex controllers like for example our brains. Cybernetic systems are usually visualized cybernetic diagrams. Certain elements frequently occur in cybernetic diagrams, as for example sums, differences, products and constant amplification factors, but also temporal filters (e.g. high - and low pass filters), or other more complex functions. Such functions are also called characteristics. Sigmoid "threshold" function, logistic "saturation" functions and pure time delays are examples of such more complex, nonlinear characteristics. There are essentially two different conventions for cybernetic diagrams. Sums and products are usually circles. Either the mathematical (greek) symbols for the according operations (sums, products) are inserted. In that case signs (e.g. negatice signs for differences) are added to incoming values. Or special cybernetic symbols are used (something like a large X in circles for sums, differences are marked by black sectors, products are marked as smaller black circles in the surrounding circles). The cybernetic shapes found in dia follow the later convention. Temporal filters are usually shown as capitalized abbreviations in boxes (HPF for high- and LPF for lowpass filters) for convenience. You can do that by using the flowchart shapes that come with dia. The cybernetic shapes add the "step-responses" of the according filters to the available shapes. The "step-responses" are important for describing, what the filters will do, and are recognized by everybody, who knows his cybernetics. This is usually not used in cybernetic diagrams, because it is rather complicated to draw. The cybernetic shapes add the "step-responses", because they look much nicer and give the diagrams created with these shapes a more unified look. The cybernetic shapes yield the following elements: - Sensory inputs for four directions with text entries for descriptions - Integrators and differences for four directions - sums and products - high- and lowpass filters (their "step-responses" respectively) - various frequently used characteristics - constant factors and addends in the looks of the characteristics - a template for custom characteristics in the look of the built ins - a pure time delay Remarks for shape developers: The xml in the shape shape files is hand edited and optimized. Customization of the cybernetic shapes should be relatively easy. The cybernetic shapes have some minor issues: The text entries of the sensor shape behave a bit strange. Especially the top sensor text entry shows an undesired response to new lines. I think the problem lies in the dia code. The black sectors of the difference shapes are approximated by svg code using bezier curves. If the line width of the shapes is set to very low values, the approximization shows. Should arcs or even circle segments be one day supported by svg and dia, they should be used in these shapes. When really thick lines are used for the integrator shapes, undesired edges start showing. They are even just visible with the default line width. I minimize that effect, but found no elegant and convincing solution. German translation of the above: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Trouble is, I need special characters for that ... I'll use TeX like style for them ("a =3D Umlaut a, "u =3D Umlaut u, "o =3D Umlaut o, "s =3D U= mlaut s or "Scharfes s" or "sz"). Die Kybernetischen Formen dienen der Erzeugung kybernetischer Diagramme. Kybernetik ist die Theorie der Regelkreise. Ein einfaches Beispiel ist Regelung der Temperatur durch eine Klimaanlage. Die gemessene Temperatur wird mit der erw"unschten verglichen. Die Differenz dieser beiden Werte ergibt ein Fehlersignal, das zur Steurung des Heizers/K"uhlers verwendet werden kann. Es k"onnen unterschiedliche Regler verwendet werden, die alle Vor- und Nachteile haben (z.B. Regelgenauigkeit, -geschwindigkeit, ungewollte Oszillationen der kontrollierten Variable ...). Die Theory der Regelkreise kann auch auf sehr komplexe Regler wie z.B. unser Gehirn angewendet werden. Kybernetische Systeme werden gew"ohnlich mit Hilfe kybernetischer Diagramme visualisiert. Gewisse Elemente tauchen regelm"a"sig in kybernetischen Diagrammen auf: Summen, Differenzen, Produkte und konstante Verst"arkungen, aber auch temporale Filter (z.B. Hoch- und Tiefpassfilter) oder andere komplexere Funktionen. Sigmoide "Schwellen-" Funktionen, logistische "S"attigungs-" Funktionen und reine Zeitverz"ogerungen sind Beispiele solcher komplexerer, nicht linearer Funktionen. Es gibt im Wesentlichen zwei unterschiedliche Konventionen f"ur kybernetische Diagramme. Summen und Produkte werden gew"ohnlich als Kreise dargestellt. Entweder werden die mathematischen (griechischen) Symbole f"ur die Entsprechenden Operationen eingef"ugt. In diesem Fall werden Vorzeichen separat and den Eing=E4ngen wieder gegeben. Oder spezielle Symbole werden verwendet (in etwa ein gro"ses X im Kreis f"ur Summen, mit schwarzen Sektoren f"ur Differenzen und kleinen schwarzen Kreisen in den umgebenden Kreisen f"ur Produkte). Die kybernetischen Formen in Dia folgen der letzteren Konvention. Temporale Filter werden der Einfachheit halber gew"ohnlich als gro"sgechriebene Abk"urzungen in Rechtecken dargestellt (HPF f"ur Hoch- und TPF oder LPF f"ur Tiefpassfilter). Das kann in Dia mit Hilfe ebenfalls enthaltenen Flussdiagramm-Formen erreicht werden. Die kybernetischen Formen f"ugen die "Stufen-Antwort" der entsprechenden Filter zu den verf"ugbaren Formen hinzu. Die "Stufen-Antwort" dienen der Charakterisierung der Filter und werden von jedem erkannt, der ein wenig von Kybernetik versteht. Sie werden gew=F6hnlich nicht in kybernetischen Diagrammen verwendet, da sie relativ kompliziert zu zeichnen sind. Die kybernetischen Formen enthalten die "Stufen-Antworten", weil sie besser aussehen und sich besser in den Look von Diagrammen einpassen, die mit diesen Formen erstellt wurden. Die kybernetischen Formen stellen die folgenden Elemente zur Verf"ugung: - sensorische Eing"ange f"ur vier Richtungen mit Text-Eingabe-Feldern f"ur Beschreibungen - Integratoren und Differenzen f"ur vier Richtungen - Summen und Produkte - Hoch- und Tiefpassfilter (bzw. ihre "Stufen-Antworten") - verschiedene oft verwendete Charakteristiken - konstante Faktoren und Summanden im Look der Charakteristiken - eine Vorlage f"ur eigene Charakteristiken im Look der eingebauten - eine Zeitverz"ogerung Anmerkungen f"ur Formen-Entwickler: Das XML der Formen-Dateien ist hand-geschrieben und optimiert. Die Modifikation der Formen sollte relativ einfach sein. Es gibt ein paar kleinere Probleme mit diesen Formen: Die Text-Eingabe-Felder der sensorischen Eing"ange verhalten sich etwas seltsam. Besonders der obere Eingang reagiert unerw"unscht auf Zeilenwechsel. Ich vermute, das Problem liegt im Dia-Code. Die schwarzen Sektoren der Differenzen wurden durch SVG-Linienz"uge mit Bezier-Kurven angen"ahert. Wenn die linienbreite sehr stark verringert wird, sieht man das. Sollten irgendwann Kreisb"ogen oder gar -segmente in SVG und Dia verf"ugbar sein, sollten diese hier verwendet werden. Wenn sehr dicke Linien f"ur die Integratoren verwendet werden tauchen unerw"unschte Spitzen auf. Schon bei der Standard-Liniendicke sind sie gerade sichtbar. Ich habe versucht, den Effekt zu minimieren, wei"s aber keine elegante und gute L"osung. Conclusion of this mail: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I hope, you can use this stuff, and put it where it belongs. Please contact me, if you need anything else for the cybernetic shapes to be useful. Thorsten On Mon, 2002-10-21 at 14:55, Alan Horkan wrote: > > yes please, > or if you are too busy just give me a few links and i will try and educat= e > myself. > (ill add these comments to bugzilla later, dialup sucks ...) > > > On Sun, 20 Oct 2002 bugzilla-daemon@widget.gnome.org wrote: > > > Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 19:14:55 -0400 (EDT) > > From: bugzilla-daemon@widget.gnome.org > > To: horkana@tcd.ie, dia-maint@bugzilla.gnome.org > > Subject: [Bug 95553] Changed - Cybernetic circuit shapes From horkana@tcd.ie Tue Oct 22 09:41:05 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 02B4B180DD for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 09:41:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 22 Oct 2002 14:41:04 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 14:41:03 +0100 (IST) From: Alan Horkan X-X-Sender: horkana@turing.maths.tcd.ie To: Ian Redfern Cc: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Dia, AI files, PDF import [was Re: [Dia and stuff] give some people an inch and they will take a mile] In-Reply-To: <1035207152.7358.94.camel@wilma> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I am bringing this on to the Dia list because i think people might be intersted in some of the tools we have been looking at (for Adobe Illustrator and PDF converision to SVG and stuff) hope you dont mind. On 21 Oct 2002, Ian Redfern wrote: > Date: 21 Oct 2002 14:32:32 +0100 > From: Ian Redfern > To: Alan Horkan > Subject: Re: [Dia and stuff] give some people an inch and they will take > a mile > > Do you know about pdf2svg from http://www.solidcode.net/backup/pdf2svg/ > ? I had not seen it, it seems to also be written in Perl (which they negelect to mention on the web page). > I've just run it on a modern .ai file and it seems to work, though > there's still a few bugs. > > I'm going to contact them and see if I can make it produce Dia output as > well. > > > > Agreed - it's PDF (1.4) from Illustrator 9 onwards - before that it was > > > PostScript. > > > > Older versions and version output by visio seem to be more like postscript > > > > but i dont really know that much about it. > > > > > > What version output by Visio? Is that a Visio export as illustrator > > > option? > > > I've looked at it, and it seems good quality. In fact, I may adapt it to > > > replace my pstoshape. But I'll need .ai files to test it on - I have > > > none. > > > > I can probably help out with sample AI files. > > > It also won't work with Illustrator 9 and above. For that, I suggest > > > something more like pdf2ps followed by pstoshape. > > working with old AI files would be great, the kind of people who use open > > source dont generally have the latest and greatest versions of these > > things. > > > > I also think that it is something that would be useful for Dia, Sketch and > > > > possibley even OpenOffice Draw. > > > > > > Not directly, unless Dia starts importing SVGs soon. But I could easily > > > > i am sure you have noticed the that the Dia.shape are mostly SVG > > Dia has some sort of SVG import in CVS i have no idea how good it is but i > > will try and impress upon the developers that i think it is a hugely > > important feature. > > > enough make an ill2dia as well. It wouldn't handle Illustrator files > > > made in the last two years though. > > > > > > Would it make more sense for me to turn pstoshape into pstosvg? How much > > > use will ill2svg be if it only handles files from before June 2000 > > > (which is when Illustrator 9 shipped)? > > > > I dont really know, I guess you can only ask for files and based on the > > response get an idea of how useful it would be. > > > > The way i see it OpenSource is built on idealism and wishful thinking so > > before i get any more cynical i may as well continue putting my random > > ideas out there. > > > > Good luck, i will help out in whatever ways i can, back to my job hunting From rsmith85@btinternet.com Tue Oct 22 10:35:47 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from rsdev (host213-122-200-122.in-addr.btopenworld.com [213.122.200.122]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9755A180F9 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 10:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rsdev ([127.0.0.1]) by rsdev with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1840Ci-0002Dt-00 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:40:20 +0100 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:40:19 +0100 From: Robert Smith To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Dia shapes for chemistry Message-Id: <20021022154019.17e96aaa.rsmith85@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.3 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hmmn I have used chemtool, and it is great, but you can't draw circles which are important for showing delocalised electrons, e.g. benzene. Hence why I use dia. Robert On Tue, 22 Oct 2002 12:58:16 +0100 (IST) Alan Horkan wrote: > > ChemTool > http://ruby.chemie.uni-freiburg.de/~martin/chemtool/chemtool.html > > Much as I am always glad to see people working to improve Dia and have it > interoperate with other programs I wonder if you are using the best tool > for the Job. I dont know if it is any good but Chemtool is what the > students here seem to use. > > Best of luck. > > Sincerely > > Alan Horkan > http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ > > > On Mon, 21 Oct 2002, Richard Muller wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:17:57 -0700 > > From: Richard Muller > > Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org > > To: dia-list@gnome.org > > Subject: Dia shapes for chemistry > > > > I've just gone through the manuals and learned how to define new shapes > > and sheets for Dia. I'm really impressed with how easy it is, but had a > > few questions that I was hoping that someone could answer. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Dia-list mailing list > Dia-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list > FAQ at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia/faq.html > Main page at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia > ------ Message From : Robert Smith E-mail : rsmith85@btinternet.com Web : http://www.surf-u.co.uk --- "Money couldn't buy friends but you got a better class of enemy." - Spike Milligan : Puckoon (1963) From apm35@student.open.ac.uk Tue Oct 22 10:42:58 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from pluto.open.ac.uk (pluto.open.ac.uk [137.108.128.76]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2F6A183DD for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 10:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oufcnt2.open.ac.uk (actually host halley.open.ac.uk) by pluto.open.ac.uk via SMTP Local (Mailer 3.1) with ESMTP; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:42:49 +0100 Message-id: Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:42:48 +0100 Subject: Re: Dia shapes for chemistry To: dia-list@gnome.org From: Andrew Marlow References: <20021022154019.17e96aaa.rsmith85@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <20021022154019.17e96aaa.rsmith85@btinternet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: dia-list@gnome.org writes: >Hmmn I have used chemtool, and it is great, but you can't draw circles >which are important for showing delocalised electrons, e.g. benzene. >Hence why I use dia. I'm suprised that this form is in such wide use. I thought that people tended to use the Kekule cyclohexatriene form even though we know the bonds are hybridized. $0.02. apm (apologies for being slightly OT...) From rsmith85@btinternet.com Tue Oct 22 11:35:54 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from rsdev (host213-122-200-122.in-addr.btopenworld.com [213.122.200.122]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD78E1838B for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 11:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rsdev ([127.0.0.1]) by rsdev with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 18418u-0002Ip-00 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 16:40:28 +0100 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 16:40:26 +0100 From: Robert Smith To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Dia shapes for chemistry Message-Id: <20021022164026.634a180b.rsmith85@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20021022154019.17e96aaa.rsmith85@btinternet.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.3 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Yeah a lot of people use the kekule' structure but for phenolic compounds, this can often lead to a misinterpretation of chemical compound structures and reactions, hence why I use the circle to show the delocalised electrons. In this way the electrons from the O in the phenols are also accounted for. Robert On Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:42:48 +0100 Andrew Marlow wrote: > dia-list@gnome.org writes: > >Hmmn I have used chemtool, and it is great, but you can't draw circles > >which are important for showing delocalised electrons, e.g. benzene. > >Hence why I use dia. > I'm suprised that this form is in such wide use. I thought that people > tended to use the Kekule cyclohexatriene form even though we know the > bonds are hybridized. > > $0.02. > > apm (apologies for being slightly OT...) > > > _______________________________________________ > Dia-list mailing list > Dia-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list > FAQ at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia/faq.html > Main page at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia > ------ Message From : Robert Smith E-mail : rsmith85@btinternet.com Web : http://www.surf-u.co.uk --- "Money couldn't buy friends but you got a better class of enemy." - Spike Milligan : Puckoon (1963) From Tim.Ellis@gamet.com Tue Oct 22 16:52:53 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from linuxmail.lgsinc.com (unknown [12.22.4.163]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67EE5180D7 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 16:52:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from timetop (IDENT:Wb8rnOpvjW1Gyq41PgyUE9B3D3FX3veU@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by linuxmail.lgsinc.com (8.11.6/8.8.7) with SMTP id g9MKqdS07652; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:52:44 -0700 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:47:07 -0700 From: Tim Ellis To: dia-list@gnome.org Cc: rsmith85@btinternet.com Subject: [OT] Chemistry (was Re: Dia shapes for chemistry) Message-Id: <20021022134707.4881560d.Tim.Ellis@gamet.com> In-Reply-To: <20021022164026.634a180b.rsmith85@btinternet.com> References: <20021022154019.17e96aaa.rsmith85@btinternet.com> <20021022164026.634a180b.rsmith85@btinternet.com> Organization: Gamet X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i586-mandrake-linux-gnu) X-WerdupHomey: 3.14159265358979323 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > Yeah a lot of people use the kekule' structure but for phenolic > compounds, this can often lead to a misinterpretation of chemical > compound structures and reactions, hence why I use the circle to show > the delocalised electrons. In this way the electrons from the O in the > phenols are also accounted for. > > >Hmmn I have used chemtool, and it is great, but you can't draw > > >circles which are important for showing delocalised electrons, e.g. > > >benzene. Hence why I use dia. > > I'm suprised that this form is in such wide use. I thought that people > > tended to use the Kekule cyclohexatriene form even though we know the > > bonds are hybridized. Just every so often, mailing lists get really, really interesting in a way you never expected them to get interesting. I imagine my postings about esoteric ER diagramming needs for Dia sound as "Greek" to others as this does to me. Why do I find this amusing and interesting in a profound & fundamental fashion: that Dia would cause extreme chemists & extreme database gurus to be reading the same posts? It gives me kind of a "unity among men" feeling. It also gives me a good feeling that when someone questions why I'm using Dia to diagram databases, I might be able to reply: "If it's good enough for showing delocalised electrons in benzene (compounds?), then certainly it's good enough for modelling classes & associations." In any case, Organic Chemistry 101 cannot prepare one for the psychological trauma associated with attempting to understand the above exchange... ;) -- Tim Ellis Senior Database Architect Gamet, Inc. From knorke.in-berlin.de!ml@knorke.in-berlin.de Wed Oct 23 17:25:04 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from hirsch.in-berlin.de (hirsch.in-berlin.de [192.109.42.6]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CD9E18B6B for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 17:25:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hirsch.in-berlin.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hirsch.in-berlin.de (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -2) with ESMTP id g9NLP21d008478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 23:25:02 +0200 Received: from knorke.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by hirsch.in-berlin.de (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -2) with UUCP id g9NLP2hl008476 for gnome.org!dia-list; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 23:25:02 +0200 X-Envelope-From: knorke.in-berlin.de!ml@knorke.in-berlin.de X-Envelope-To: gnome.org!dia-list Received: from k6.in-berlin.de (really [192.168.0.77]) by knorke.in-berlin.de via in.smtpd with esmtp id (Debian Smail3.2.0.102) for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 23:18:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ml by k6.in-berlin.de with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 184Stz-00009g-00 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 23:18:55 +0200 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 23:18:55 +0200 To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Restricting possible connections Message-ID: <20021023211855.GA567@k6.in-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i From: ml Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, I think about writing a new dia module, where certain objects can be connected only to certain others. (How) can I disallow connections between arbitrary objects? I.e. I have object types A, B, and C - while connections between A-B and A-C are allowed, but B-C should not be possible. Many thanks in advance! From knorke.in-berlin.de!ml@knorke.in-berlin.de Wed Oct 23 17:25:04 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from hirsch.in-berlin.de (hirsch.in-berlin.de [192.109.42.6]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F15D18B6C for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 17:25:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hirsch.in-berlin.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hirsch.in-berlin.de (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -2) with ESMTP id g9NLP31d008485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 23:25:03 +0200 Received: from knorke.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by hirsch.in-berlin.de (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -2) with UUCP id g9NLP2dj008483 for gnome.org!dia-list; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 23:25:02 +0200 X-Envelope-From: knorke.in-berlin.de!ml@knorke.in-berlin.de X-Envelope-To: gnome.org!dia-list Received: from k6.in-berlin.de (really [192.168.0.77]) by knorke.in-berlin.de via in.smtpd with esmtp id (Debian Smail3.2.0.102) for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 23:04:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ml by k6.in-berlin.de with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 184SgD-000084-00 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 23:04:41 +0200 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 23:04:40 +0200 To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Dia and GObject Message-ID: <20021023210440.GA483@k6.in-berlin.de> References: <20021003131235.GA15710@k6.in-berlin.de> <81d6qrr69d.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <81d6qrr69d.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i From: ml Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 08:39:26AM -0500, Lars Clausen wrote: > Mainly because Dia started out before there was a GObject, and GTKObject > just wasn't right. We will move to GObject. Is the transition from GtkObject to GObject finished now? I.e. is it (relatively) save to cvs co, again? TIA! From lrclause@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu Wed Oct 23 22:28:25 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (shasta.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.246.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 282EA180E7 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 22:28:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) with ESMTP id g9O2SOaA024537 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 21:28:24 -0500 Received: (from lrclause@localhost) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) id g9O2SN0C024532; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 21:28:23 -0500 Subject: Re: Restricting possible connections To: dia-list@gnome.org References: <20021023211855.GA567@k6.in-berlin.de> From: Lars Clausen Date: 23 Oct 2002 21:28:23 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20021023211855.GA567@k6.in-berlin.de> Message-ID: <81fzuw4lko.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Lines: 21 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, ml@knorke.in-berlin.de wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I think about writing a new dia module, where certain > objects can be connected only to certain others. (How) can > I disallow connections between arbitrary objects? I.e. I > have object types A, B, and C - while connections between > A-B and A-C are allowed, but B-C should not be possible. That's a good question. There's no callback on connection, so there isn't a direct way to do that. Can you give an example of where this would be useful? Wouldn't be hard to add something to ask the object if it'll accept the connection, and have it default to always accepting. -Lars --=20 Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| H=E5rdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |------------------------= ---- will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbas= ket? From lrclause@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu Wed Oct 23 22:30:41 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (shasta.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.246.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 656C4180EC for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 22:30:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) with ESMTP id g9O2UfaA024573 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 21:30:41 -0500 Received: (from lrclause@localhost) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) id g9O2UfFI024569; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 21:30:41 -0500 Subject: Re: Dia and GObject To: dia-list@gnome.org References: <20021003131235.GA15710@k6.in-berlin.de> <81d6qrr69d.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> <20021023210440.GA483@k6.in-berlin.de> From: Lars Clausen Date: 23 Oct 2002 21:30:41 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20021023210440.GA483@k6.in-berlin.de> Message-ID: <81bs5k4lgu.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Lines: 18 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, ml@knorke.in-berlin.de wrote: > On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 08:39:26AM -0500, Lars Clausen wrote: >> Mainly because Dia started out before there was a GObject, and GTKObject >> just wasn't right. We will move to GObject. >=20 > Is the transition from GtkObject to GObject finished now? > I.e. is it (relatively) save to cvs co, again? TIA! The renderers are all changed to GObject, and things should work again. Even PNG export works, at least if you have Freetype. -Lars --=20 Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| H=E5rdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |------------------------= ---- will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbas= ket? From mike_garnsey@yahoo.com Thu Oct 24 01:29:18 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from web20416.mail.yahoo.com (web20404.mail.yahoo.com [66.163.169.92]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9DEBA18107 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 01:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20021024052916.50838.qmail@web20416.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.33.215.163] by web20404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 22:29:16 PDT Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 22:29:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Garnsey Subject: Re: Restricting possible connections To: dia-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <81fzuw4lko.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I have been experimenting with doing something like that, too. Why? I want to be able to have a set of "idiot-proof" objects for a Dia user to lay out a computer network diagram. For example, the user shouldnt be able to connect something like a PC object directly to something like a microwave transmitter object. Or, a USB printer object shouldnt be connectable to a 10BaseT repeater object. I had pretty good success with the following (crude!) approach: 1. hack diagram_update_connections_object() to force a redraw of the connected object 2. for specific objects that you want restricted connection functionality, add code to the DrawFunc routine to analyze (and disconnect as appropriate) the objects that are connected. Definitely not ideal (DrawFunc gets fired for a variety of reasons), but it worked. --- Lars Clausen wrote: > On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, ml@knorke.in-berlin.de wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I think about writing a new dia module, where > certain > > objects can be connected only to certain others. > (How) can > > I disallow connections between arbitrary objects? > I.e. I > > have object types A, B, and C - while connections > between > > A-B and A-C are allowed, but B-C should not be > possible. > > That's a good question. There's no callback on > connection, so there isn't > a direct way to do that. Can you give an example of > where this would be > useful? Wouldn't be hard to add something to ask > the object if it'll > accept the connection, and have it default to always > accepting. > > -Lars > > -- > Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From horkana@tcd.ie Thu Oct 24 10:23:36 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5A1EF18D0C for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 10:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 24 Oct 2002 15:23:34 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 15:23:34 +0100 (IST) From: Alan Horkan X-X-Sender: horkana@turing.maths.tcd.ie To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Restricting possible connections In-Reply-To: <20021024052916.50838.qmail@web20416.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Just to throw in my two pence Please allow the user to override any such restrictions. The users must be in control, although i am not suggesting you make it easy for people to do the "wrong thing" you just have to make sure it is possible for the situations when the user really does know better. The should be strong recommendations not really restrictions if you understand what i am getting at. Is this similar to locked/protected shapes in other vector programs? Please tell me how other programs achieve the results you are trying to achieve (or failing that please explain in more detail what exactly it is so that i can understand and provide useful compartive information). Sincerely Alan Horkan http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, Mike Garnsey wrote: > Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 22:29:16 -0700 (PDT) > From: Mike Garnsey > Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org > To: dia-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: Restricting possible connections > From lrclause@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu Thu Oct 24 10:23:52 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (shasta.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.246.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B142E18D0C for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 10:23:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) with ESMTP id g9OENqaA029438 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:23:52 -0500 Received: (from lrclause@localhost) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) id g9OENmKu029434; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:23:48 -0500 Subject: Re: Restricting possible connections To: dia-list@gnome.org References: <20021024052916.50838.qmail@web20416.mail.yahoo.com> From: Lars Clausen Date: 24 Oct 2002 09:23:48 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20021024052916.50838.qmail@web20416.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <811y6f530r.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Lines: 41 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, Mike Garnsey wrote: > I have been experimenting with doing something > like that, too. Why? I want to be able to have a set > of "idiot-proof" objects for a Dia user to lay out a > computer network diagram. For example, the user > shouldnt be able to connect something like a PC object > directly to something like a microwave transmitter > object. Or, a USB printer object shouldnt be > connectable to a 10BaseT repeater object. I see. I suppose idiot-proofness is good, as long as it doesn't restrict what people want to do. > I had pretty good success with the following (crude!) > approach: > 1. hack diagram_update_connections_object() > to force a redraw of the connected object >=20 > 2. for specific objects that you want restricted > connection functionality, add code to the > DrawFunc routine to analyze (and disconnect > as appropriate) the objects that are=20 > connected.=20 >=20 > Definitely not ideal (DrawFunc gets fired for a > variety of reasons), but it worked. The right place to add a checking call would be in layer_find_closest_connectionpoint() in app/diagramdata.c. Problem is, that loop goes over all objects in a layer, so we can't afford to spend a lot of time there. Well, we can keep it within the if, that'll cut out most of it. And instead of adding code to DrawFunc, a new object func should be defined for it. -Lars --=20 Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| H=E5rdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |------------------------= ---- will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbas= ket? From knorke.in-berlin.de!ml@knorke.in-berlin.de Thu Oct 24 13:05:10 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from hirsch.in-berlin.de (hirsch.in-berlin.de [192.109.42.6]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9F2218E05 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hirsch.in-berlin.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hirsch.in-berlin.de (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -2) with ESMTP id g9OH58J8007413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 19:05:08 +0200 Received: from knorke.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by hirsch.in-berlin.de (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -2) with UUCP id g9OH58M9007410 for gnome.org!dia-list; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 19:05:08 +0200 X-Envelope-From: knorke.in-berlin.de!ml@knorke.in-berlin.de X-Envelope-To: gnome.org!dia-list Received: from k6.in-berlin.de (really [192.168.0.77]) by knorke.in-berlin.de via in.smtpd with esmtp id (Debian Smail3.2.0.102) for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 18:36:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ml by k6.in-berlin.de with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 184ky3-0000Oq-00 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 18:36:19 +0200 Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 18:36:19 +0200 To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Restricting possible connections Message-ID: <20021024163619.GA1083@k6.in-berlin.de> References: <20021024052916.50838.qmail@web20416.mail.yahoo.com> <811y6f530r.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <811y6f530r.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i From: ml Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 09:23:48AM -0500, Lars Clausen wrote: > The right place to add a checking call would be in > layer_find_closest_connectionpoint() in app/diagramdata.c. Problem is, > that loop goes over all objects in a layer, so we can't afford to spend a > lot of time there. Well, we can keep it within the if, that'll cut out > most of it. And instead of adding code to DrawFunc, a new object func > should be defined for it. OK, I try to resume: 1. A restriction on possible connections seems to be a good idea. Think of network diagrams, not to speak of UML/Database/SDL/... code generation. 2. Of course, this must be an option to the user. Maybe a diagram specific or a global option? 3. The method to check has to be a new object function. Something like: typedef gboolean (*AllowConnectFunc) (Object* obj_me, Object* obj_other, ... /* ? */ ); 4. This function will be called twice (once for the connecting object, once for the connected one) from layer_find_closest_connectionpoint(). I don't see performance hits, if functions will be called after the "if (dist Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (shasta.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.246.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF1AF18E11 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) with ESMTP id g9OHLMaA003295 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 12:21:22 -0500 Received: (from lrclause@localhost) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) id g9OHLMaP003291; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 12:21:22 -0500 Subject: Re: Restricting possible connections To: dia-list@gnome.org References: <20021024052916.50838.qmail@web20416.mail.yahoo.com> <811y6f530r.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> <20021024163619.GA1083@k6.in-berlin.de> From: Lars Clausen Date: 24 Oct 2002 12:21:22 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20021024163619.GA1083@k6.in-berlin.de> Message-ID: <81vg3rrbvx.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Lines: 47 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 24 Oct 2002, ml@knorke.in-berlin.de wrote: > On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 09:23:48AM -0500, Lars Clausen wrote: >> The right place to add a checking call would be in >> layer_find_closest_connectionpoint() in app/diagramdata.c. Problem is, >> that loop goes over all objects in a layer, so we can't afford to spend >> a lot of time there. Well, we can keep it within the if, that'll cut >> out most of it. And instead of adding code to DrawFunc, a new object >> func should be defined for it. >=20 > OK, I try to resume: >=20 > 1. A restriction on possible connections seems to be a good > idea. Think of network diagrams, not to speak of > UML/Database/SDL/... code generation. >=20 > 2. Of course, this must be an option to the user. Maybe a > diagram specific or a global option? Hmmm... good question. Global options are easier to make and do away with. I really don't know which is better. > 3. The method to check has to be a new object function. > Something like: >=20 > typedef gboolean (*AllowConnectFunc) (Object* obj_me, > Object* obj_other, > ... /* ? */ ); You may want to give the handle and connection point to the function. Could be some objects will allow objects to connect in certain ways and not in others. > 4. This function will be called twice (once for the > connecting object, once for the connected one) from > layer_find_closest_connectionpoint(). I don't see > performance hits, if functions will be called after > the "if (dist Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from hirsch.in-berlin.de (hirsch.in-berlin.de [192.109.42.6]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E476A18747 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 16:30:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hirsch.in-berlin.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hirsch.in-berlin.de (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -2) with ESMTP id g9OKU1aZ002445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 22:30:01 +0200 Received: from knorke.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by hirsch.in-berlin.de (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -2) with UUCP id g9OKU1fT002436 for gnome.org!dia-list; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 22:30:01 +0200 X-Envelope-From: knorke.in-berlin.de!ml@knorke.in-berlin.de X-Envelope-To: gnome.org!dia-list Received: from k6.in-berlin.de (really [192.168.0.77]) by knorke.in-berlin.de via in.smtpd with esmtp id (Debian Smail3.2.0.102) for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 20:10:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ml by k6.in-berlin.de with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 184oJ6-0003gK-00 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 22:10:16 +0200 Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 22:10:16 +0200 To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Restricting possible connections Message-ID: <20021024201015.GA10495@k6.in-berlin.de> References: <20021024052916.50838.qmail@web20416.mail.yahoo.com> <811y6f530r.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> <20021024163619.GA1083@k6.in-berlin.de> <81vg3rrbvx.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <81vg3rrbvx.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i From: ml Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 12:21:22PM -0500, Lars Clausen wrote: > On Thu, 24 Oct 2002, ml@knorke.in-berlin.de wrote: > > 2. Of course, this must be an option to the user. Maybe a > > diagram specific or a global option? > > Hmmm... good question. Global options are easier to make and do away > with. I really don't know which is better. Let's go for a global option first, and make it more advanced if the need is there. Other idea: Allow user the connection always if a modifier key is used (Escape/ Meta/Alt/Control/Shift). > > 3. The method to check has to be a new object function. > > Something like: > > > > typedef gboolean (*AllowConnectFunc) (Object* obj_me, > > Object* obj_other, > > ... /* ? */ ); > > You may want to give the handle and connection point to the function. > Could be some objects will allow objects to connect in certain ways and not > in others. Absolutely true. typedef gboolean (*AllowConnectFunc) (Object* obj_me, Object* obj_other, Handle* handle, ConnectionPoint* conpoint); Cheers! From horkana@tcd.ie Fri Oct 25 08:39:13 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AD6E418F3B for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 08:39:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 25 Oct 2002 13:39:02 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:38:59 +0100 (IST) From: Alan Horkan X-X-Sender: horkana@turing.maths.tcd.ie To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Restricting possible connections In-Reply-To: <20021024201015.GA10495@k6.in-berlin.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 24 Oct 2002, ml wrote: > Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 22:10:16 +0200 > From: ml > Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org > To: dia-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: Restricting possible connections > > On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 12:21:22PM -0500, Lars Clausen wrote: > > On Thu, 24 Oct 2002, ml@knorke.in-berlin.de wrote: > > > 2. Of course, this must be an option to the user. Maybe a > > > diagram specific or a global option? > > > > Hmmm... good question. Global options are easier to make and do away > > with. I really don't know which is better. > > Let's go for a global option first, and make it more > advanced if the need is there. Other idea: Allow user > the connection always if a modifier key is used (Escape/ > Meta/Alt/Control/Shift). Again i ask for people to please explain to me in pedantic and simplistic detail what exaclty you mean so that i can get some comparative behaviour information. By comparing to other programs we will be able to more easily choose sensible interfaces and keybindings. A bug report to track this might also be useful. Sincerely Alan Horkan From Phil_S@gmx.de Fri Oct 25 13:14:10 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.selfnet.uni-stuttgart.de (mail.selfnet.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.165.3]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88A2C180EB for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magrathea (magrathea.vaih.selfnet [10.1.2.29]) by mail.selfnet.uni-stuttgart.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06816 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 19:14:09 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Philip Stolz To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Autodia Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 19:15:22 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.4] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200210251915.22288.Phil_S@gmx.de> Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hello, I'm having troubles to load a UML diagram XML-file generated by Autodia i= nto=20 Dia... the file can't be read. Does someone have any idea, what I could be doing= =20 wrong? this is the XML file: #A4# Regards, Phil. From horkana@tcd.ie Fri Oct 25 13:30:57 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 45D71180EB for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:30:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 25 Oct 2002 18:30:56 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 18:30:55 +0100 (IST) From: Alan Horkan X-X-Sender: horkana@turing.maths.tcd.ie To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Autodia In-Reply-To: <200210251915.22288.Phil_S@gmx.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: It looks like a very blank document. I would suggest you produce a blank document in Dia and compare. sorry dont have time to think of anything more intelligent. Later Alan On Fri, 25 Oct 2002, Philip Stolz wrote: > Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 19:15:22 +0200 > From: Philip Stolz > Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org > To: dia-list@gnome.org > Subject: Autodia > > Hello, > I'm having troubles to load a UML diagram XML-file generated by Autodia into > Dia... > the file can't be read. Does someone have any idea, what I could be doing > wrong? > > this is the XML file: > From Phil_S@gmx.de Fri Oct 25 13:52:19 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.selfnet.uni-stuttgart.de (mail.selfnet.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.165.3]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4EF5180F1 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magrathea (magrathea.vaih.selfnet [10.1.2.29]) by mail.selfnet.uni-stuttgart.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06862 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 19:52:18 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Philip Stolz To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Autodia - got it Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 19:53:31 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.4] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200210251953.31442.Phil_S@gmx.de> Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hello, I solved the problem: Autodia outputs uncompressed XML files whereas Dia expects gzipped XML files by default. When I gzipped my class diagram it worked fine. regards, Phil. From benkovsk@eowyn.nextra.cz Fri Oct 25 14:06:01 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from eowyn.nextra.cz (eowyn.nextra.cz [213.210.153.8]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E03A180F1 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 14:06:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eowyn.nextra.cz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eowyn.nextra.cz (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g9PI5qkA002630 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 20:05:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from benkovsk@eowyn.nextra.cz) Received: (from benkovsk@localhost) by eowyn.nextra.cz (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g9PI5pXt002629 for dia-list@gnome.org; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 20:05:51 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 20:05:51 +0200 From: ed.hunter@seznam.cz To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Restricting possible connections Message-ID: <20021025180551.GF64153@nextra.cz> References: <20021024052916.50838.qmail@web20416.mail.yahoo.com> <811y6f530r.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> <20021024163619.GA1083@k6.in-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021024163619.GA1083@k6.in-berlin.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-NCC-RegID: cz.terminal Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 06:36:19PM +0200, ml wrote: > OK, I try to resume: > > 1. A restriction on possible connections seems to be a good > idea. Think of network diagrams, not to speak of > UML/Database/SDL/... code generation. > > 2. Of course, this must be an option to the user. Maybe a > diagram specific or a global option? > > 3. The method to check has to be a new object function. > Something like: > > typedef gboolean (*AllowConnectFunc) (Object* obj_me, > Object* obj_other, > ... /* ? */ ); It should also say whether the called object is the source or the destination. e.g. gboolean is_source Now thinking of it .... The problem is even more hairy, since also the connection can be an object, right? So in general, the function has to be called three times and their args should contain all three objects and their handles Not pretty :) But, maybe, the function could be called only once - for the connection object. If the connection object wants, it can call some function in the two connected objects. (But that would mean that it has to be able to find about objects' classes. Can it do it now?) so e.g.: gboolean can_connect_objects (Object *self, Object *from, Handle *from_h, Object *to, Handle *to_h) Jarda Benkovsky -- GCM/IT d- s:+ a- C++(+++) ULOI++++$ P++ L+++>++++ E+ W++ N w--- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP R+ tv- b+++ D+ e+++ y+ From horkana@tcd.ie Fri Oct 25 14:12:45 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7F5D9180EB for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 14:12:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 25 Oct 2002 19:12:43 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 19:12:43 +0100 (IST) From: Alan Horkan X-X-Sender: horkana@turing.maths.tcd.ie To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Autodia - got it In-Reply-To: <200210251953.31442.Phil_S@gmx.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: thats weird i turn off the gzip compression and i have never had a problem with uncompressed dia On Fri, 25 Oct 2002, Philip Stolz wrote: > Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 19:53:31 +0200 > From: Philip Stolz > Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org > To: dia-list@gnome.org > Subject: Autodia - got it > > Hello, > I solved the problem: > Autodia outputs uncompressed XML files whereas Dia expects gzipped > XML files by default. When I gzipped my class diagram it worked fine. > > regards, > Phil. > _______________________________________________ > Dia-list mailing list > Dia-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list > FAQ at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia/faq.html > Main page at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia > From rsmith85@btinternet.com Fri Oct 25 19:03:59 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from rsdev (host213-1-136-8.in-addr.btopenworld.com [213.1.136.8]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61AFE181A9 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 19:03:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rsdev ([127.0.0.1]) by rsdev with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1858bh-0000Ts-00 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 18:50:49 +0100 Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 18:50:49 +0100 From: Robert Smith To: dia Subject: Chemistry Library For Dia Message-Id: <20021025185049.27b00ca2.rsmith85@btinternet.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.3 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I am gradually producing a library of chemistry shapes for Dia. These include basic structures such as bonds (double, triple, single, double single dotted etc.), small numbers, basic greek characters, arene shapes, angled bonds for making shapes such as kekules benzene etc. The library almost halves the time that it takes me to produce chemical diagrams. When it is finished is there any place specifically that I can place this library on the web or in the cvs tree etc so that it can be accessed by other people, or even perhaps integrated into the progams libraries as standard? If anyone can think of things to put in this library then please contact me. Robert ------ Message From : Robert Smith E-mail : rsmith85@btinternet.com Web : http://www.surf-u.co.uk --- "Money couldn't buy friends but you got a better class of enemy." - Spike Milligan : Puckoon (1963) From jklowden@schemamania.org Fri Oct 25 20:19:19 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from lowden.schemamania.org (jklowden-0.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.254.83.207]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E82918463 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 20:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lowden (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lowden.schemamania.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g9Q0JCl08704 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 20:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 20:19:12 -0400 From: "James K. Lowden" To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Autodia - got it Message-Id: <20021025201912.37effd3a.jklowden@schemamania.org> In-Reply-To: References: <200210251953.31442.Phil_S@gmx.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.5 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386--netbsdelf) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 19:12:43 +0100 (IST), Alan Horkan wrote: > > i turn off the gzip compression and i have never had a problem with > uncompressed dia Perhaps he hadn't turned it off. Is it supposed to autodetect? --jkl > On Fri, 25 Oct 2002, Philip Stolz wrote: > > > Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 19:53:31 +0200 > > From: Philip Stolz > > Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org > > To: dia-list@gnome.org > > Subject: Autodia - got it > > > > Hello, > > I solved the problem: > > Autodia outputs uncompressed XML files whereas Dia expects gzipped > > XML files by default. When I gzipped my class diagram it worked fine. > > > > regards, > > Phil. > > _______________________________________________ > > Dia-list mailing list > > Dia-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list > > FAQ at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia/faq.html > > Main page at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia > > > > _______________________________________________ > Dia-list mailing list > Dia-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list > FAQ at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia/faq.html > Main page at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia > From lrclause@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu Fri Oct 25 23:08:54 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (shasta.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.246.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2028A18119 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 23:08:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) with ESMTP id g9Q38raA025528 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 22:08:53 -0500 Received: (from lrclause@localhost) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) id g9Q38rro025524; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 22:08:53 -0500 Subject: Re: Chemistry Library For Dia To: dia-list@gnome.org References: <20021025185049.27b00ca2.rsmith85@btinternet.com> From: Lars Clausen Date: 25 Oct 2002 22:08:53 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20021025185049.27b00ca2.rsmith85@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <8165vp3ni2.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Lines: 24 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 25 Oct 2002, Robert Smith wrote: > I am gradually producing a library of chemistry shapes for Dia. These > include basic structures such as bonds (double, triple, single, double > single dotted etc.), small numbers, basic greek characters, arene shapes, > angled bonds for making shapes such as kekules benzene etc. The library > almost halves the time that it takes me to produce chemical diagrams. >=20 > When it is finished is there any place specifically that I can place this > library on the web or in the cvs tree etc so that it can be accessed by > other people, or even perhaps integrated into the progams libraries as > standard? If you post a pointer to the files here, we can certainly include it in the standard distribution. So far, we just add sheets in, though in the near future we will have to come up with something smarter. I'd love to see chemical shapes in Dia. -Lars --=20 Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| H=E5rdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |------------------------= ---- will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbas= ket? From lrclause@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu Fri Oct 25 23:12:47 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (shasta.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.246.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EA4118119 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 23:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) with ESMTP id g9Q3CkaA025572 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 22:12:46 -0500 Received: (from lrclause@localhost) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) id g9Q3CkAY025568; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 22:12:46 -0500 Subject: Re: Autodia - got it To: dia-list@gnome.org References: <200210251953.31442.Phil_S@gmx.de> <20021025201912.37effd3a.jklowden@schemamania.org> From: Lars Clausen Date: 25 Oct 2002 22:12:46 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20021025201912.37effd3a.jklowden@schemamania.org> Message-ID: <811y6d3nbl.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Lines: 19 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 25 Oct 2002, James K. Lowden wrote: > On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 19:12:43 +0100 (IST), Alan Horkan > wrote: >>=20 >> i turn off the gzip compression and i have never had a problem with >> uncompressed dia >=20 > Perhaps he hadn't turned it off. Is it supposed to autodetect?=20=20 Yes, it will read either kind automatically, at least in 0.90 and forward, and most likely also earlier. -Lars --=20 Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| H=E5rdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |------------------------= ---- will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbas= ket? From horkana@tcd.ie Sat Oct 26 07:49:09 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6F2E118117 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 07:49:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 26 Oct 2002 12:49:07 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 12:49:07 +0100 (IST) From: Alan Horkan X-X-Sender: horkana@turing.maths.tcd.ie To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Sheets: Something smarter [Re: Chemistry Library For Dia] In-Reply-To: <8165vp3ni2.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 25 Oct 2002, Lars Clausen wrote: > Date: 25 Oct 2002 22:08:53 -0500 > From: Lars Clausen > Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org > To: dia-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: Chemistry Library For Dia > If you post a pointer to the files here, we can certainly include it in the > standard distribution. So far, we just add sheets in, though in the near > future we will have to come up with something smarter. I'd love to see > chemical shapes in Dia. the sheet window in Visio is the same type of list as in Windows explorer and similarly has options to view with small icon large icons etc. This is quite smart as it uses a standard component. The Dia sheet window could be turned into a file list but then we would need a buttonized list view which i remember from Mac OS9 but dont think i have seen in GTK. I find the button list a much more sensible user interface because selecting a shape from a sheet is no different than selecting a tool from the toolbox, it would still be nice to be able to change the view settings and perhaps have a small icon and description showing. I was also considering that a menu with lots of subfolders was not a great way to view so many files, something more like a tree view that unlike a menu allows you to have more than one branch or sublist expanded at a time. I had wondered why the sheet inteface was really necessary. Why not recusively check all the files in the shapes directory and create a sheet for each folder and add each file to that sheet. But then i realised that there might be a significant overhead and that also the sheet system allows you to have a differnt layout (something a bit like vfolders methinks) and lots of meta description information that you could not have if you had simply worked it out based on the directory structure on disk. At any rate it would be nice if Dia could autodect (autogenerate a sheet?) for you based on the directory structure as this would allow you to arrange sheets and objects by moving the files around on disk and then you could use sheets to duplicate the same shape in different sheets or that you wanted to just save some overhead at startup. In the short term higher level categories to group the sheets into (menus and submenus in the GUI) would do the trick but in the longer term i really think we can produce something easier and more user friendly than Visio, Kivio, Rational and others. Sincerely Alan 'random ideas' Horkan http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ From knorke.in-berlin.de!ml@knorke.in-berlin.de Sat Oct 26 09:00:09 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from hirsch.in-berlin.de (hirsch.in-berlin.de [192.109.42.6]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FBBE1815D for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 09:00:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hirsch.in-berlin.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hirsch.in-berlin.de (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -2) with ESMTP id g9QD01vZ025904 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 15:00:01 +0200 Received: from knorke.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by hirsch.in-berlin.de (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -2) with UUCP id g9QD01hp025891 for gnome.org!dia-list; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 15:00:01 +0200 X-Envelope-From: knorke.in-berlin.de!ml@knorke.in-berlin.de X-Envelope-To: gnome.org!dia-list Received: from k6.in-berlin.de (really [192.168.0.77]) by knorke.in-berlin.de via in.smtpd with esmtp id (Debian Smail3.2.0.102) for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 12:55:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ml by k6.in-berlin.de with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 185QTh-00015L-00 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 14:55:45 +0200 Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 14:55:45 +0200 To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Restricting possible connections Message-ID: <20021026125545.GB2970@k6.in-berlin.de> References: <20021024052916.50838.qmail@web20416.mail.yahoo.com> <811y6f530r.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> <20021024163619.GA1083@k6.in-berlin.de> <20021025180551.GF64153@nextra.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021025180551.GF64153@nextra.cz> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i From: ml Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 08:05:51PM +0200, ed.hunter@seznam.cz wrote: > But, maybe, the function could be called only once - for the connection object. If the > connection object wants, it can call some function in the two connected objects. > (But that would mean that it has to be able to find about objects' classes. Can it do > it now?) > > so e.g.: > > gboolean can_connect_objects (Object *self, Object *from, Handle *from_h, Object *to, Handle *to_h) In principle, one function call is preferable to two or three :-) Question: How do I prevent a user from connecting a simple "line" with a UML class, if only the UML object "knows" about this access rights? (Note: I'm relatively new to the dia internals...) From lrclause@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu Sat Oct 26 10:15:54 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (shasta.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.246.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F783180EA for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 10:15:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) with ESMTP id g9QEFsaA029938 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 09:15:54 -0500 Received: (from lrclause@localhost) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) id g9QEFsjG029934; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 09:15:54 -0500 Subject: Re: Restricting possible connections To: dia-list@gnome.org References: <20021024052916.50838.qmail@web20416.mail.yahoo.com> <811y6f530r.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> <20021024163619.GA1083@k6.in-berlin.de> <20021025180551.GF64153@nextra.cz> From: Lars Clausen Date: 26 Oct 2002 09:15:54 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20021025180551.GF64153@nextra.cz> Message-ID: <81lm4l1e1x.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Lines: 39 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 25 Oct 2002, ed hunter wrote: > On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 06:36:19PM +0200, ml wrote: >> OK, I try to resume: >>=20 >> 1. A restriction on possible connections seems to be a good >> idea. Think of network diagrams, not to speak of >> UML/Database/SDL/... code generation. >>=20 >> 2. Of course, this must be an option to the user. Maybe a >> diagram specific or a global option? >>=20 >> 3. The method to check has to be a new object function. >> Something like: >>=20 >> typedef gboolean (*AllowConnectFunc) (Object* obj_me, >> Object* obj_other, >> ... /* ? */ ); >=20 > It should also say whether the called object is the source or the > destination. e.g. gboolean is_source >=20 > Now thinking of it .... >=20 > The problem is even more hairy, since also the connection can be an > object, right? So in general, the function has to be called three times > and their args should contain all three objects and their handles I don't see what you mean... both elements (Class, Box etc) and connections (Inheritance, Line etc) are objects. Those are the only two objects that should be called upon. Now if the object wants to check what's at the other end of a line... we need to make sure we can do that. -Lars --=20 Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| H=E5rdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |------------------------= ---- will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbas= ket? From lrclause@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu Sat Oct 26 10:16:58 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (shasta.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.246.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33F92180F6 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 10:16:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) with ESMTP id g9QEGvaA029952 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 09:16:57 -0500 Received: (from lrclause@localhost) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) id g9QEGvTC029948; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 09:16:57 -0500 Subject: Re: Restricting possible connections To: dia-list@gnome.org References: <20021024052916.50838.qmail@web20416.mail.yahoo.com> <811y6f530r.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> <20021024163619.GA1083@k6.in-berlin.de> <20021025180551.GF64153@nextra.cz> <20021026125545.GB2970@k6.in-berlin.de> From: Lars Clausen Date: 26 Oct 2002 09:16:57 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20021026125545.GB2970@k6.in-berlin.de> Message-ID: <81hef91e06.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Lines: 28 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sat, 26 Oct 2002, ml@knorke.in-berlin.de wrote: > On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 08:05:51PM +0200, ed.hunter@seznam.cz wrote: >> But, maybe, the function could be called only once - for the connection >> object. If the connection object wants, it can call some function in the >> two connected objects. (But that would mean that it has to be able to >> find about objects' classes. Can it do it now?) >>=20 >> so e.g.: >>=20 >> gboolean can_connect_objects (Object *self, Object *from, Handle >> *from_h, Object *to, Handle *to_h) >=20 > In principle, one function call is preferable to two or > three :-) Question: How do I prevent a user from connecting > a simple "line" with a UML class, if only the UML object > "knows" about this access rights? (Note: I'm relatively new > to the dia internals...) You don't. The line would have to call the UML object to ask, and we can't expect lines to do that. It seems to me two calls are what we need. -Lars --=20 Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| H=E5rdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |------------------------= ---- will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbas= ket? From T.Grzejszczyk@elka.pw.edu.pl Sun Oct 27 09:23:25 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from mion.elka.pw.edu.pl (mion.elka.pw.edu.pl [194.29.160.35]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDD10182D4 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 09:23:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from v04-s1.itpp.pl ([193.41.113.251]:1372 "EHLO elka.pw.edu.pl") by mion.elka.pw.edu.pl with ESMTP id convert rfc822-to-8bit; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 15:23:17 +0100 Message-ID: <3DBBF78F.1040503@elka.pw.edu.pl> Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 15:26:23 +0100 From: Tomek Grzejszczyk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; pl-PL; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020829 X-Accept-Language: pl, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: user defined sheets. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 mion Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, 1. I'am trying to make my own sheet and a couple of shapes, but I've only succeeded partialy. The problem is with some local settings. I make a new sheet in Dia and add a shape created earlier and exported as name.shape. I save it and exit program. When I run it again and select the newly creadted sheet there is a segfault with a message: [tomek@grzejhost sheets]$ dia & [1] 29666 [tomek@grzejhost sheets]$ /home/users/tomek/.dia/sheets/nowy.sheet:11: error: Input is not proper UTF-8, indicate encoding ! ^ /home/users/tomek/.dia/sheets/nowy.sheet:11: error: Bytes: 0xB3 0x74 0x79 0x2D ^ Gnome-WARNING **: invalid gnome config path '=/section/key' ---------- It looks, like Dia is creating files that it cannot read later :-). It writes file in iso-8859-2 which is default in my system and than says its not in utf-8. Any suggestions, how to workaround this? 2. Another question is: What is the procedure of creating custom sheets with custom shapes? When I do it like this: -create shape and save it (in directory ~/.dia/shapes) -export it to dia shape format -create new sheet or select any old one. -add the newly created shape to the sheet. There is a message: "Several object-types were named shapes abc. Only the first one will be used. Some things might not work as expected." And surely it doesn't work as expected, because it segfaults on OK. So there are suddenly two of these shapes? Where is the first one and where is the second one? I can only find one file abc.shape in ~/.dia. 3. When I add my shape to the directory ~/.dia/shapes how can I use it? Do I have to add it to one of the sheets? Thanks for help, Tomek Grzejszczyk From gernot.kleiter@sbg.ac.at Mon Oct 28 05:37:23 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from plusavs01.sbg.ac.at (plusavs01a.SBG.AC.AT [141.201.1.28]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CA5281866E for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 05:37:22 -0500 (EST) Received: FROM sm.sbg.ac.at BY plusavs01.sbg.ac.at ; Mon Oct 28 11:32:36 2002 +0100 Received: from sbg.ac.at ([141.201.20.182]) by sm.sbg.ac.at (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-0U10L2S100V35) with ESMTP id at for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:44:02 +0100 Message-ID: <3DBC911C.A73C1057@sbg.ac.at> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 02:21:32 +0100 From: "gernot.kleiter" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: customization Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: How can I customize dia for default startup properties? Is there a configuration file in which things like text: default font, center/left/right text, size, color ruler on/off, etc. can be selected as default? Gernot D. Kleiter Dept. of Psychology Univ. Salzburg Austria From lrclause@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu Mon Oct 28 09:04:49 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (shasta.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.246.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43A021898C for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 09:04:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) with ESMTP id g9SE4maA018409 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 08:04:48 -0600 Received: (from lrclause@localhost) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) id g9SE4mgr018405; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 08:04:48 -0600 Subject: Re: customization To: dia-list@gnome.org References: <3DBC911C.A73C1057@sbg.ac.at> From: Lars Clausen Date: 28 Oct 2002 08:04:48 -0600 In-Reply-To: <3DBC911C.A73C1057@sbg.ac.at> Message-ID: <81hef6accf.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Lines: 19 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, gernot kleiter wrote: > How can I customize dia for default startup properties? > Is there a configuration file in which things like > text: default font, center/left/right text, size, color > ruler on/off, > etc. > can be selected as default? A number of diagram defaults can be set in the Preferences dialog (for new diagrams), and default text attributes can be set by double-clicking the text icon and setting the properties there. -Lars --=20 Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| H=E5rdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |------------------------= ---- will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbas= ket? From horkana@tcd.ie Mon Oct 28 11:32:02 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 265D11810C for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:32:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 28 Oct 2002 16:32:00 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 16:32:00 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Horkan X-X-Sender: horkana@salmon.maths.tcd.ie To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: user defined sheets. In-Reply-To: <3DBBF78F.1040503@elka.pw.edu.pl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > Another question is: What is the procedure of creating custom sheets with > custom shapes? When I do it like this: > -create shape and save it (in directory ~/.dia/shapes) > -export it to dia shape format > -create new sheet or select any old one. > -add the newly created shape to the sheet. > > There is a message: > > "Several object-types were named shapes abc. > Only the first one will be used. > Some things might not work as expected." The name of a Dia Shape is what appears between the tags they must be different the filename is completely irrelavant. the segfault is highly unlikely to be even remotely connected with this, more likely is that your encoding problem is causing the segfault. I might be able to attempt an answer to your other question later if i can spare the time but please do try more things and provide more detail. Sincerely Alan Horkan http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ From Nick@nickdafish.com Mon Oct 28 14:13:08 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from nickdafish.com (root.nickdafish.com [216.116.201.193]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39FF81810C for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 14:13:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from WorldClient [216.116.201.194] by nickdafish.com [216.116.201.194] with SMTP (MDaemon.PRO.v5.0.4.R) for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 14:12:07 -0500 Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 14:12:07 -0500 From: "Nick Fisher" To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Noob can't print right on Win32.... X-Mailer: WorldClient 5.0.4 X-MDRemoteIP: 216.116.201.194 X-Return-Path: Nick@nickdafish.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dia-list@gnome.org Message-Id: <20021028191308.39FF81810C@mail.gnome.org> Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hello! I'm just starting to play with Dia after much fighting with many other similar apps and I'm very happy..... BUT printing is all messed up. When I print a page the right hand 2-3cm is chopped off. If I reset the print margins I see no diference. If I swap to landscape mode I see no difference (The orientation doesn't change) If I set landscape in Dia AND the printer Setup it's the right way around but still too big. If I change the scale I can make things *almost* the right size but I can never seem to get a diagram to stay on a single page. I'm working on Win32 using the installer from http://dia-installer.sourceforge.net/ (0.90) I'm in the US so I'm using letter sized paper. I'm using two networked printers, a HP LJIIISi and a HP LJ8500DN. I have installed GhostScript to try and trouble shoot but it looks like it's Dia's output that's wrong rather than the printsetup. Exported EPS files have chunks missing off of the sides. I've had a look through the mail archives and didn't find anything that really relates to the problems that I have been having. So does anyone have any advice? Is this a common problem? I don't want to go submitting bug reports for something that's just a product of my screwy machine. Any thoughts most welcome. Nick From horkana@tcd.ie Mon Oct 28 14:30:30 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C191D1810C for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 14:30:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from gosset.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 28 Oct 2002 19:30:29 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 19:30:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Horkan X-X-Sender: horkana@gosset.maths.tcd.ie To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Noob can't print right on Win32.... In-Reply-To: <20021028191308.39FF81810C@mail.gnome.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > I'm in the US so I'm using letter sized paper. AFAIK, that is exactly your problem. US Letter is narrower than A4 so the on screen lines will be misleading. Hopefully you can workaround it. "The thing about standards is there are so many to choose from" Patches welcome of course but from my limited knowledge of Dia it is unlikely that this will be fixed anytime soon, same goes for a non-metric version of Dia. I wonder if Gnome Print works with Gtk only apps yet? i heard months ago that work was being done to seperate it from Gnome... Sorry i cant be more helpful, back to making more Dia Shapes Sincerely Alan Horkan From Nick@nickdafish.com Mon Oct 28 15:05:09 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from nickdafish.com (root.nickdafish.com [216.116.201.193]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 038F0181D2 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:05:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from WorldClient [216.116.201.194] by nickdafish.com [216.116.201.194] with SMTP (MDaemon.PRO.v5.0.4.R) for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:04:36 -0500 Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:04:35 -0500 From: "Nick Fisher" To: dia-list@gnome.org, "Alan Horkan" Subject: Re: Noob can't print right on Win32.... X-Mailer: WorldClient 5.0.4 In-Reply-To: X-MDRemoteIP: 216.116.201.194 X-Return-Path: Nick@nickdafish.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dia-list@gnome.org Message-Id: <20021028200509.038F0181D2@mail.gnome.org> Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > > I'm in the US so I'm using letter sized paper. > AFAIK, that is exactly your problem. > > US Letter is narrower than A4 > so the on screen lines will be misleading. I used to live in the UK and I've run across this one before ;) Infact ANSI A paper is .6cm wider and 1.8cm shorter..... This is what confuzes me. If this was the problem the diagram should be to narrow and too long... not too wide. however this may be why I always get a blank sheet of paper with every print. Also when I change back to A4 (Page setup appears to have paper size support) the problem is still there (I'm using GhostScript to view)! And landscape mode is totaly whacked out no matter what the size.. I'm wondering if this is a Dia thing or a Win32 Dia thing. > Hopefully you can workaround it. My current tactic is to eport to PNG... Not very handy but it works for now... > Sorry i cant be more helpful, back to making more Dia Shapes Thanks for the thought ;) Nick From lrclause@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu Mon Oct 28 15:23:21 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (shasta.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.246.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AF80181B1 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:23:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) with ESMTP id g9SKNLaA021298 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 14:23:21 -0600 Received: (from lrclause@localhost) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) id g9SKNLQ4021294; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 14:23:21 -0600 Subject: Re: Noob can't print right on Win32.... To: dia-list@gnome.org References: <20021028200509.038F0181D2@mail.gnome.org> From: Lars Clausen Date: 28 Oct 2002 14:23:20 -0600 In-Reply-To: <20021028200509.038F0181D2@mail.gnome.org> Message-ID: <81k7k2mhxj.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Lines: 33 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Nick Fisher wrote: >> > I'm in the US so I'm using letter sized paper. >> AFAIK, that is exactly your problem. >>=20 >> US Letter is narrower than A4 >> so the on screen lines will be misleading. > I used to live in the UK and I've run across this one before ;) Infact > ANSI A paper is .6cm wider and 1.8cm shorter..... This is what confuzes > me. If this was the problem the diagram should be to narrow and too > long... not too wide. however this may be why I always get a blank sheet > of paper with every print. Also when I change back to A4 (Page setup > appears to have paper size support) the problem is still there (I'm using > GhostScript to view)! And landscape mode is totaly whacked out no matter > what the size.. I'm wondering if this is a Dia thing or a Win32 Dia > thing. I've been using Linux Dia with Letter paper for a long time without this problem, so I'm guessing it's a Win32 Dia problem. Probably the same as http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D85831 >> Hopefully you can workaround it. > My current tactic is to eport to PNG... > Not very handy but it works for now... Oh, that's horrible. Can you export to EPS and use Ghostscript to print? -Lars --=20 Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| H=E5rdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |------------------------= ---- will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbas= ket? From Nick@nickdafish.com Mon Oct 28 15:35:34 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from nickdafish.com (root.nickdafish.com [216.116.201.193]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D97A518491 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:35:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from WorldClient [216.116.201.194] by nickdafish.com [216.116.201.194] with SMTP (MDaemon.PRO.v5.0.4.R) for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:35:22 -0500 Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:35:22 -0500 From: "Nick Fisher" To: dia-list@gnome.org, "Lars Clausen" Subject: Re: Noob can't print right on Win32.... X-Mailer: WorldClient 5.0.4 In-Reply-To: <81k7k2mhxj.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> X-MDRemoteIP: 216.116.201.194 X-Return-Path: Nick@nickdafish.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dia-list@gnome.org Message-Id: <20021028203533.D97A518491@mail.gnome.org> Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > >> > I'm in the US so I'm using letter sized paper. > >> AFAIK, that is exactly your problem. > >> > >> US Letter is narrower than A4 > >> so the on screen lines will be misleading. > > I used to live in the UK and I've run across this one before ;) > Infact > > ANSI A paper is .6cm wider and 1.8cm shorter..... This is what > confuzes > > me. If this was the problem the diagram should be to narrow and too > > long... not too wide. however this may be why I always get a blank > sheet > > of paper with every print. Also when I change back to A4 (Page setup > > appears to have paper size support) the problem is still there (I'm > using > > GhostScript to view)! And landscape mode is totaly whacked out no > matter > > what the size.. I'm wondering if this is a Dia thing or a Win32 Dia > > thing. > > I've been using Linux Dia with Letter paper for a long time without > this > problem, so I'm guessing it's a Win32 Dia problem. Probably the same > as > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85831 OOooooo.... Nicely found. I had a rummage in Buzilla but I guess I missed that one! > >> Hopefully you can workaround it. > > My current tactic is to eport to PNG... > > Not very handy but it works for now... > Oh, that's horrible. Can you export to EPS and use Ghostscript to > print? No...... the EPS export is just as bad as the prints. SVG however is starting to look very promising! Though I may have to install Illustrator to format them :( I was trying to stay away from expensive bloatware by using Dia. Know of any good SVG viewer/printers on Win32? The only free one I've found is the Adobe SVG viewer and that only appears to work in IE. Thanks ;) At least I *know* that this is a Win32 bug and I'm not just doing something silly. Nick From levi@bard.sytes.net Mon Oct 28 15:50:01 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from snoopy.augie.edu (6535240hfc119.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.240.119]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46124181A5 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:50:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from Tak (tak.augie.edu [192.168.21.2]) by snoopy.augie.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 8109F5E97 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:43:51 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:48:17 -0500 From: Levi Bard To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Noob can't print right on Win32.... Message-Id: <20021028154817.14c54650.levi@bard.sytes.net> In-Reply-To: <20021028200509.038F0181D2@mail.gnome.org> References: <20021028200509.038F0181D2@mail.gnome.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.5 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: What I've done in the past to work around this is set my page to letter in all places necessary, then gone to the page setup dialog, clicked "Fit to" 1 by 1, or whatever I wanted to fit to, then clicked back up to the scale option and reduced it slightly from there. It's kind of a hassle, but it seems less so that exporting to SVG and installing Adobe Illustrator or some such. HTH, Levi From torben.nielsen@rocketmail.com Mon Oct 28 16:24:30 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from web40110.mail.yahoo.com (web40110.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.44]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 29EA918A1B for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 16:24:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20021028212429.60590.qmail@web40110.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.237.84.45] by web40110.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 22:24:29 CET Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 22:24:29 +0100 (CET) From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Torben=20H.=20Nielsen?=" Subject: Status report on dia ??? To: dia-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, There has been a little quiet on the dia-list lately especially has there been far between the Changelog reports, which made me think a little on the status of dia-cvs. So, as a both interested and courious dia-user, would I like to know how far the different porting projects (Pango & GObject - any others) has come and what is missing to be completed. Are there any plugins in beta state which needs a hand to be working and (as good as) bugfree. Can we expect a release as an extra christmas present :) or does the core-team continue whith the one release policy as usual ;) ???? Torben Beskyt din computer mod virus og misbrug! Læs mere i Yahoo! Sikkerhedscenter på www.yahoo.dk/sikkerhedscenter From horkana@tcd.ie Mon Oct 28 16:27:48 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 184341821F for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 16:27:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from gosset.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 28 Oct 2002 21:27:47 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 21:27:46 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Horkan X-X-Sender: horkana@gosset.maths.tcd.ie To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: SVG Import [Re: Noob can't print right on Win32....] In-Reply-To: <20021028203533.D97A518491@mail.gnome.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > I was trying to stay away from expensive bloatware by using Dia. Know of > any good SVG viewer/printers on Win32? The only free one I've found is the > Adobe SVG viewer and that only appears to work in IE. there are mozilla builds with SVG support but it is not great. To change the subject, I recently noticed that Dia.shape files are primarily SVG (and filed some bug reports requesting that Sketch and Sodipodi should be able to export dia.shapes). I spent a large chunk of yesterday evening taking SVG files from OpenOffice, and changing them into .shape files so that Dia would import them. All i had to do was put the svg: namespace in front of every SVG tag and change the colour values from rgb(0,0,0) to hexidecimal values then stick a few of the Dia tags and other bits and pieces in either side of it. Despite being really tedious and showing how desperately i need to learn a good scripting language it was easy and worked really well. How about turning on whatever SVG import there is in the next release? If Dia is at least able to import the SVG that Dia itself exports that should be plenty good enough to start with. I am trying to figure out how to get OpenOffice.org to batch convert WMF files to SVG and then i will have a huge amount of clipart with which to test the the SVG importer in Dia. I was also able to use the GDI in windows to paste shapes from Visio to OpenOffice and then export them as SVG, but as Dia would not be able to use these shapes it only served to prove an intersting possibility. Perhaps the windows version of Dia could make more use of GDI? (i dont intend to file a bug report or feature request for this though). Umm ... yeah, thinking out loud and stuff. I had better go and finished off at least one of the sets of shapes i have so that i can submit them if and when there is a release. Please let there be a release soon, compiling stuff scares me *. Later Alan > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list > FAQ at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia/faq.html > Main page at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia * not really. From mdupont777@yahoo.com Mon Oct 28 16:36:10 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8ECF318A43 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 16:36:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20021028213608.98644.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [80.128.228.212] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 13:36:08 PST Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 13:36:08 -0800 (PST) From: James Michael DuPont Subject: Re: SVG Import [Re: Noob can't print right on Win32....] To: dia-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > I spent a large chunk of yesterday evening taking SVG files from > OpenOffice, and changing them into .shape files so that Dia would > import > them. > All i had to do was put the svg: namespace in front of every SVG tag > and > change the colour values from rgb(0,0,0) to hexidecimal values then > stick > a few of the Dia tags and other bits and pieces in either > side of > it. Despite being really tedious and showing how desperately i need > to > learn a good scripting language it was easy and worked really well. please post some examples, xslt and perl are perfect for this. ===== James Michael DuPont http://introspector.sourceforge.net/ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From horkana@tcd.ie Mon Oct 28 16:40:37 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CB23318603 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 16:40:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from gosset.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 28 Oct 2002 21:40:36 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 21:40:36 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Horkan X-X-Sender: horkana@gosset.maths.tcd.ie To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Noob can't print right on Win32.... In-Reply-To: <20021028203533.D97A518491@mail.gnome.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: One of the abiword developers noticed these comments and asked me to pass on these ideas as it may be similar to problems that Abiword has encountered. http://www.abisource.com/mailinglists/abiword-dev/00/May/0085.html (i am just the messenger i and i rarely print anything so i am even less helpful than my usual not particularly helpful with this kind of problem) Later Alan From lrclause@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu Mon Oct 28 16:42:09 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (shasta.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.246.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE629181A5 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 16:42:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) with ESMTP id g9SLg8aA011283 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:42:08 -0600 Received: (from lrclause@localhost) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) id g9SLg85Z011279; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:42:08 -0600 Subject: Re: Status report on dia ??? To: dia-list@gnome.org References: <20021028212429.60590.qmail@web40110.mail.yahoo.com> From: Lars Clausen Date: 28 Oct 2002 15:42:08 -0600 In-Reply-To: <20021028212429.60590.qmail@web40110.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <81y98ikzpr.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Lines: 41 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Torben H. Nielsen wrote: > Hi, > There has been a little quiet on the dia-list lately especially has > there been far between the Changelog reports, which made me think a > little on the status of dia-cvs. >=20 > So, as a both interested and courious dia-user, would I like to know > how far the different porting projects (Pango & GObject - any others) > has come and what is missing to be completed. GObject porting of the renderers is done, except perhaps for some Win32 stuff, which I'm not sure of. I still have a horrible problem with the difference in font names between gdk (X) pango and pangoft2. I plan to either make standard X rendering use pangoft2 or trim the font namespace to those that match. Using pangoft2 all over requires more #hell because Win32 can't use freetype. Trimming the namespace is an ugly, ugly hack that's sure to break in a number of ways.=20 Cyrille has done some work on inputmethods, but I haven't heard anything from him for a while, and the input methods don't seem to be working right now=20 > Are there any plugins in beta state which needs a hand to be working > and (as good as) bugfree. Not that I can think of offhand, but check the bug database. > Can we expect a release as an extra christmas present :) or does the > core-team continue whith the one release policy as usual ;) ???? I would like to do a christmas release, if at all possible. Cyrille? -Lars --=20 Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| H=E5rdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |------------------------= ---- will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbas= ket? From horkana@tcd.ie Mon Oct 28 16:42:56 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 26E7A18454 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 16:42:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from gosset.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 28 Oct 2002 21:42:55 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 21:42:55 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Horkan X-X-Sender: horkana@gosset.maths.tcd.ie To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: SVG Import [Re: Noob can't print right on Win32....] In-Reply-To: <20021028213608.98644.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, James Michael DuPont wrote: > Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 13:36:08 -0800 (PST) > From: James Michael DuPont > Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org > To: dia-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: SVG Import [Re: Noob can't print right on Win32....] > > > > I spent a large chunk of yesterday evening taking SVG files from > > OpenOffice, and changing them into .shape files so that Dia would > > import > > them. > > All i had to do was put the svg: namespace in front of every SVG tag > > and > > change the colour values from rgb(0,0,0) to hexidecimal values then > > stick > > a few of the Dia tags and other bits and pieces in either > > side of > > it. Despite being really tedious and showing how desperately i need > > to > > learn a good scripting language it was easy and worked really well. > > please post some examples, xslt and perl are perfect for this. If i can figure out what happened to my laptop network settings i will show the before and after of the SVG files i converted. if actually i get around to putting together any scripts (not likely) i will certainly make them available. Is mise Alan From lrclause@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu Mon Oct 28 16:43:26 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (shasta.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.246.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCC2218603 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 16:43:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) with ESMTP id g9SLhPaA011301 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:43:25 -0600 Received: (from lrclause@localhost) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) id g9SLhPv9011297; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:43:25 -0600 Subject: Re: Status report on dia ??? To: dia-list@gnome.org References: <20021028212429.60590.qmail@web40110.mail.yahoo.com> From: Lars Clausen Date: 28 Oct 2002 15:43:25 -0600 In-Reply-To: <20021028212429.60590.qmail@web40110.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <81u1j6kznm.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Lines: 15 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Torben H. Nielsen wrote: >=20 > Are there any plugins in beta state which needs a hand to be working > and (as good as) bugfree. Ha, Alan mentions one right there: The SVG importer needs some kind of work, talk with him about what's up. -Lars --=20 Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| H=E5rdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |------------------------= ---- will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbas= ket? From aisaac@american.edu Mon Oct 28 18:07:01 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from notes-gw.american.edu (win06.american.edu [147.9.1.41]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 162BD18A40 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 18:07:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from JACKSONVILLE ([147.9.11.117]) by notes-gw.american.edu (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.10) with ESMTP id 2002102818065877:6994 ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 18:06:58 -0500 Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 18:08:09 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: Alan G Isaac Subject: noise: Freetype and Windows To: dia-list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Organization: American University X-Mailer: Mahogany 0.64.2 'Sparc', running under Windows NT 5.0 (build 2195) X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on NOTES-GW/AmericanU(Release 5.0.10 |March 22, 2002) at 10/28/2002 06:06:59 PM, Serialize by Router on NOTES-GW/AmericanU(Release 5.0.10 |March 22, 2002) at 10/28/2002 06:07:00 PM, Serialize complete at 10/28/2002 06:07:00 PM Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: INLINE Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is probably just noise, so forgive me. But I was puzzled by the claim that FreeType cannot be used under Win32 and the claim "Apart from a standard ANSI C library, FreeType 2 doesn't have any external dependencies and can be compiled and installed on its own on any kind of system." http://freetype.sourceforge.net/freetype2/index.html#requirements Cheers, Alan Isaac From danielq@webcentral.com.au Mon Oct 28 18:24:04 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from bnc.webcentral.com.au (bnc.webcentral.com.au [202.139.236.123]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80658182F0 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 18:24:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by bnc.webcentral.com.au with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 09:23:59 +1000 Message-ID: From: Daniel Quinlan To: "'dia-list@gnome.org'" Subject: RE: Noob can't print right on Win32.... Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 09:23:57 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > -----Original Message----- > From: Nick Fisher [mailto:Nick@nickdafish.com] > Sent: Tuesday, 29 October 2002 6:05 AM > To: dia-list@gnome.org; Alan Horkan > Subject: Re: Noob can't print right on Win32.... > > [snip] > I'm wondering if this is a Dia thing or a Win32 Dia thing. haven't tried Dia on linux in a long time but I have the exact same problem with Dia win32 try using the scaling feature in Page Setup i've been using '40' but it'll depend on your drawing > > Hopefully you can workaround it. > My current tactic is to eport to PNG... > Not very handy but it works for now... i was doing this at first as well but got sick to death of it :) regards, Daniel From lrclause@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu Mon Oct 28 18:27:06 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (shasta.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.246.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3328218132 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 18:27:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) with ESMTP id g9SNR5aA001580 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 17:27:05 -0600 Received: (from lrclause@localhost) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) id g9SNR51d001575; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 17:27:05 -0600 Subject: Re: noise: Freetype and Windows To: dia-list@gnome.org References: From: Lars Clausen Date: 28 Oct 2002 17:27:05 -0600 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <81iszmkuuu.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Lines: 33 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Alan G. Isaac wrote: > This is probably just noise, so forgive me. > But I was puzzled by the claim that FreeType > cannot be used under Win32 and the claim > "Apart from a standard ANSI C library, FreeType 2 doesn't > have any external dependencies and can be compiled and > installed on its own on any kind of system." > http://freetype.sourceforge.net/freetype2/index.html#requirements Well, our main Win32 guy, Hans Breuer, said this the last time I suggested using all FreeType: ----- It is currently broken (just once more: please read 'Heads up on Pango Head= ') cause it uses fontconfig which appears to work on X but IMHO needs a complete rewrite to fit into the win32 platform. Remember on win32 there already is a built-in font configuration which does not require=20 an *nix like config files but provides device independent font matching=20 (same code can be used to render to display or printer or to wmf).=20 This exactly is what the win32 specific Dia print code does. ----- The "Heads up on Pango Head" mentioned is a thread on gtk-i18n-list and gtk-devel-list. It's not FreeType itself (sorry if I made it look that way), but the Pango interface to FreeType. -Lars --=20 Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| H=E5rdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |------------------------= ---- will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbas= ket? From tml@iki.fi Mon Oct 28 18:33:06 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from kura.mail.jippii.net (kura.mail.jippii.net [195.197.172.113]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D24C5182F0 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 18:33:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from tippen.tml.iki.fi (CCCLXXIII.wdyn.saunalahti.fi [62.142.9.74]) by kura.mail.jippii.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50000659B7 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 01:33:04 +0200 (EET) From: Tor Lillqvist MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15805.51579.848000.802833@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 23:34:19 +0000 To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: noise: Freetype and Windows In-Reply-To: <81iszmkuuu.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> References: <81iszmkuuu.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> X-Mailer: VM 7.07 under 21.1 (patch 13) "Crater Lake" XEmacs Lucid Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > It is currently broken (just once more: please read 'Heads up on > Pango Head') cause it uses fontconfig which appears to work on X > but IMHO needs a complete rewrite to fit into the win32 platform. But it's only HEAD of Pango that uses fontconfig; shouldn't pangoft2 in the pango-1-0 branch still work fine? Does Dia really require GTK+ and Pango HEAD? --tml From mdupont777@yahoo.com Mon Oct 28 18:44:08 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D7B3A18A63 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 18:44:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20021028234407.37597.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [80.128.228.212] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:44:07 PST Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:44:07 -0800 (PST) From: James Michael DuPont Subject: Re: noise: Freetype and Windows To: dia-list@gnome.org Cc: introspector-mingw32@lists.sourceforge.net In-Reply-To: <81iszmkuuu.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --- Lars Clausen wrote: > On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Alan G. Isaac wrote: > > This is probably just noise, so forgive me. > > But I was puzzled by the claim that FreeType > > cannot be used under Win32 and the claim > > "Apart from a standard ANSI C library, FreeType 2 doesn't > > have any external dependencies and can be compiled and > > installed on its own on any kind of system." > > http://freetype.sourceforge.net/freetype2/index.html#requirements > > Well, our main Win32 guy, Hans Breuer, said this the last time I > suggested > using all FreeType: > > ----- > It is currently broken (just once more: please read 'Heads up on > Pango Head') > cause it uses fontconfig which appears to work on X but IMHO needs a > complete rewrite to fit into the win32 platform. Remember on win32 > there already is a built-in font configuration which does not require > > an *nix like config files but provides device independent font > matching > (same code can be used to render to display or printer or to wmf). > This exactly is what the win32 specific Dia print code does. > ----- > > The "Heads up on Pango Head" mentioned is a thread on gtk-i18n-list > and > gtk-devel-list. It's not FreeType itself (sorry if I made it look > that > way), but the Pango interface to FreeType. This is interesting, currently I am working on free type, getting other errors, but am planning on porting it and pango. If dia does not need it, then ok. Otherwise, there is defoma, the debian font manager. Otherwise I am willing to give it a try, please tell me more. BTW, check out the current status of the debian mingw32 report at http://introspector.sourceforge.net/dia_win32.htm The newest zlib, libpng are waiting for testers, any takers? All the instructions are on the webpage. Currently I am working on gtk+, libtiff, libjpeg and freetype (later pango). freetype has been ported to libsdl. There is also a new mailing list to cover this port, http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/introspector-mingw32 Thanks to Mikes Garnsey for all his help, and Tor Lud. for his continuing support and kind words. Hans for his great work as well. please help the effort to build a free enviroment to write software in for windows under debian. The cygwin32 port of debian has enough done to be used with my packages, if anyone wants to help test that, I have some tests as well. Mike mike ===== James Michael DuPont http://introspector.sourceforge.net/ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From mdupont777@yahoo.com Mon Oct 28 18:57:28 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D9D511810C for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 18:57:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20021028235726.72183.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [80.128.228.212] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:57:26 PST Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:57:26 -0800 (PST) From: James Michael DuPont Subject: Re: noise: Freetype and Windows To: dia-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <15805.51579.848000.802833@gargle.gargle.HOWL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --- Tor Lillqvist wrote: > > It is currently broken (just once more: please read 'Heads up on > > Pango Head') cause it uses fontconfig which appears to work on X > > but IMHO needs a complete rewrite to fit into the win32 platform. > > But it's only HEAD of Pango that uses fontconfig; shouldn't pangoft2 > in the pango-1-0 branch still work fine? Does Dia really require GTK+ > and Pango HEAD? Hmm, I am using the debian packages. apt-src install to get the packages to port. This also resolved the dependancies. The build depends of libpango 1.0 in debian is : debhelper (>> 4.0.0), libfreetype6-dev (>= 2.1.2), xlibs-dev, libglib2.0-dev (>= 2.0.6), pkg-config, defoma (>= 0.11.1) Do you know about? gdk-imlib1-dev mike ===== James Michael DuPont http://introspector.sourceforge.net/ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From lrclause@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu Mon Oct 28 22:06:18 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (shasta.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.246.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C9DD18188 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 22:06:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) with ESMTP id g9T36HaA003772 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 21:06:18 -0600 Received: (from lrclause@localhost) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) id g9T36Hg3003768; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 21:06:17 -0600 Subject: Re: noise: Freetype and Windows To: dia-list@gnome.org References: <20021028234407.37597.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> From: Lars Clausen Date: 28 Oct 2002 21:06:17 -0600 In-Reply-To: <20021028234407.37597.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <81elaa2bbq.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Lines: 52 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, James Michael DuPont wrote: >=20 > --- Lars Clausen wrote: >> On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Alan G. Isaac wrote: >> > This is probably just noise, so forgive me. >> > But I was puzzled by the claim that FreeType >> > cannot be used under Win32 and the claim >> > "Apart from a standard ANSI C library, FreeType 2 doesn't >> > have any external dependencies and can be compiled and >> > installed on its own on any kind of system." >> > http://freetype.sourceforge.net/freetype2/index.html#requirements >>=20 >> Well, our main Win32 guy, Hans Breuer, said this the last time I >> suggested >> using all FreeType: >>=20 >> ----- >> It is currently broken (just once more: please read 'Heads up on >> Pango Head') >> cause it uses fontconfig which appears to work on X but IMHO needs a >> complete rewrite to fit into the win32 platform. Remember on win32 >> there already is a built-in font configuration which does not require >>=20 >> an *nix like config files but provides device independent font >> matching=20 >> (same code can be used to render to display or printer or to wmf).=20 >> This exactly is what the win32 specific Dia print code does. >> ----- >>=20 >> The "Heads up on Pango Head" mentioned is a thread on gtk-i18n-list >> and >> gtk-devel-list. It's not FreeType itself (sorry if I made it look >> that >> way), but the Pango interface to FreeType. >=20 > This is interesting, > currently I am working on free type, getting other errors, but am > planning on porting it and pango. If dia does not need it, then ok. > Otherwise, there is defoma, the debian font manager. Otherwise I am > willing to give it a try, please tell me more. As I understand it, Win32 Dia only requires Freetype for EPS export. Printing is done via the native printing interface, and antialiasing via the native font interface.=20=20 -Lars --=20 Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| H=E5rdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |------------------------= ---- will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbas= ket? From lrclause@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu Mon Oct 28 22:07:20 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (shasta.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.246.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEDD218746 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 22:07:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) with ESMTP id g9T37JaA003786 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 21:07:19 -0600 Received: (from lrclause@localhost) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) id g9T37JuD003782; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 21:07:19 -0600 Subject: Re: noise: Freetype and Windows To: dia-list@gnome.org References: <81iszmkuuu.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> <15805.51579.848000.802833@gargle.gargle.HOWL> From: Lars Clausen Date: 28 Oct 2002 21:07:19 -0600 In-Reply-To: <15805.51579.848000.802833@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <81adky2ba0.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Lines: 19 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Tor Lillqvist wrote: > > It is currently broken (just once more: please read 'Heads up on > > Pango Head') cause it uses fontconfig which appears to work on X > > but IMHO needs a complete rewrite to fit into the win32 platform. >=20 > But it's only HEAD of Pango that uses fontconfig; shouldn't pangoft2 > in the pango-1-0 branch still work fine? Does Dia really require GTK+ > and Pango HEAD? No, it just requires the 1.0 branch. Can anybody confirm whether pangoft2 in the 1.0 branch works under Windows? -Lars --=20 Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| H=E5rdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |------------------------= ---- will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbas= ket? From rsmith85@btinternet.com Tue Oct 29 12:41:24 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from rsdev (host213-122-202-82.in-addr.btopenworld.com [213.122.202.82]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A40C18B7F for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:41:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from rsdev ([127.0.0.1]) by rsdev with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 186G1i-0000Ou-00 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 19:58:18 +0000 Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 19:58:18 +0000 From: Robert Smith To: dia Subject: Feature Request Message-Id: <20021028195818.7f719dd1.rsmith85@btinternet.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.5 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Ok I have a feature request, if at all possible, though i don't know how much coding this will take. Snap lines : If the shift key is held whilst drawing lines they only can be drawn at certain angles, e.g. 180, 90, 45 and 30 degrees. This would be very useful, as it would make drawing straight lines (completely straight e.g. all on the exact same plane) at these angles a hell of a lot easier, and would cut down on my drawing time considerably. Thank you for your time and I hope that you consider this request as i believe that it would greatly benefit the program. BTW. If you need anything done such as web design with php/mysql or general graphics then just ask as I am willing to help out in any way that I can. Regards Robert ------ Message From : Robert Smith E-mail : rsmith85@btinternet.com Web : http://www.surf-u.co.uk --- "Money couldn't buy friends but you got a better class of enemy." - Spike Milligan : Puckoon (1963) From horkana@tcd.ie Tue Oct 29 12:49:37 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3F9E218B17 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:49:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 29 Oct 2002 17:49:35 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:49:35 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Horkan X-X-Sender: horkana@turing.maths.tcd.ie To: dia Subject: Re: Feature Request In-Reply-To: <20021028195818.7f719dd1.rsmith85@btinternet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Please file this in bugzilla.gnome.org you are quite specific about how you think this should be implemented, in your report please say why (ie if another application does this please say which application so people can compare behaviour). thank you Sincerely Alan Horkan On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Robert Smith wrote: > Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 19:58:18 +0000 > From: Robert Smith > Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org > To: dia > Subject: Feature Request > > Ok I have a feature request, if at all possible, though i don't know > how much coding this will take. > > Snap lines : If the shift key is held whilst drawing lines they only > can be drawn at certain angles, e.g. 180, 90, 45 and 30 degrees. > From lrclause@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu Tue Oct 29 13:25:07 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (shasta.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.246.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E63D1184CB for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 13:25:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) with ESMTP id g9TIP6aA013924 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:25:06 -0600 Received: (from lrclause@localhost) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) id g9TIP63U013920; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:25:06 -0600 Subject: Re: Feature Request To: dia-list@gnome.org References: <20021028195818.7f719dd1.rsmith85@btinternet.com> From: Lars Clausen Date: 29 Oct 2002 12:25:06 -0600 In-Reply-To: <20021028195818.7f719dd1.rsmith85@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <81adkxksql.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Lines: 30 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Robert Smith wrote: > Ok I have a feature request, if at all possible, though i don't know how > much coding this will take. >=20 > Snap lines : If the shift key is held whilst drawing lines they only can > be drawn at certain angles, e.g. 180, 90, 45 and 30 degrees. Some of this can be done with ->View->Snap to Grid, but not all. > This would be very useful, as it would make drawing straight lines > (completely straight e.g. all on the exact same plane) at these angles a > hell of a lot easier, and would cut down on my drawing time considerably. >=20 > Thank you for your time and I hope that you consider this request as i > believe that it would greatly benefit the program. >=20 > BTW. If you need anything done such as web design with php/mysql or > general graphics then just ask as I am willing to help out in any way > that I can. Talk to Alan Horkan about prettying up the icons for the shapes he's making. That's the only graphics stuff I can think of right now. -Lars --=20 Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| H=E5rdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |------------------------= ---- will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbas= ket? From Nick@nickdafish.com Tue Oct 29 14:18:27 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from nickdafish.com (root.nickdafish.com [216.116.201.193]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0FF81832A for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:18:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from WorldClient [216.116.201.194] by nickdafish.com [216.116.201.194] with SMTP (MDaemon.PRO.v5.0.4.R) for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:18:14 -0500 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:18:14 -0500 From: "Nick Fisher" To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Noob can't print right on Win32.... X-Mailer: WorldClient 5.0.4 In-Reply-To: <81k7k2mhxj.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> X-MDRemoteIP: 216.116.201.194 X-Return-Path: Nick@nickdafish.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dia-list@gnome.org Message-Id: <20021029191827.A0FF81832A@mail.gnome.org> Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > > what the size.. I'm wondering if this is a Dia thing or a Win32 Dia > > thing. > > I've been using Linux Dia with Letter paper for a long time without > this > problem, so I'm guessing it's a Win32 Dia problem. Probably the same > as > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85831 So just as a matter of intrest how likely is it that this bug will be addressed soonish? If I can't easily print from Dia I will have to find annother diagraming package... that would be a shame as I'm getting to like Dia. There are workarounds for this scaling issue but no good ones. I'll help any way I can with testing...... Nick From curtcrandall@northwesternmutual.com Tue Oct 29 15:58:36 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from netmail.northwesternmutual.com (unknown [63.76.139.132]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71A11180EF for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:58:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from homail1.northwesternmutual.com (homail1.nml.com [172.30.180.160]) by netmail.northwesternmutual.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_18546)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA08728 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:58:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by homail1.northwesternmutual.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA02533 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:58:40 -0600 (CST) X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:58:40 -0600 Message-Id: Subject: Problems resizing MIME-Version: 1.0 From: curtcrandall@northwesternmutual.com To: dia-list@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=openmail-part-48d4d0af-00000002 Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --openmail-part-48d4d0af-00000002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline ;Creation-Date="Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:58:40 -0600" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I'm trying to write some simple Class diagrams with Dia. I'm using version 0.88 on RedHat 8.0. I uninstalled version 0.90 because the class icon sizing was not proportionate to the text within it. I tried the latest CVS source, however, I had a lot of problems with it which resulted in seg faults (particularly when I'd attempt to export a diagram). So, I backed down to version 0.88. The diagrams look fine in the window, however they are HUGE. One of my classes covered 3 pages. So, following the instructions, I went to page set up and under Scaling I selected "Fit to:" and set it to 1x1. Well, the diagram fits, but the text is incomprehensible. I tried looking for an option for resizing fonts and could not locate it. So, I'm at a loss as to what to do now. TIA, Curt --openmail-part-48d4d0af-00000002 Content-Type: application/rtf Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="BDY.RTF" ;Creation-Date="Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:58:40 -0600" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 e1xydGYxXGFuc2lcYW5zaWNwZzEyNTJcZGVmZjBcZGVmbGFuZzEwMzN7XGZvbnR0Ymx7XGYw XGZzd2lzc1xmY2hhcnNldDAgQXJpYWw7fX0NClx2aWV3a2luZDRcdWMxXHBhcmRcZjBcZnMy MCBIaSxccGFyDQpccGFyDQogIEknbSB0cnlpbmcgdG8gd3JpdGUgc29tZSBzaW1wbGUgQ2xh c3MgZGlhZ3JhbXMgd2l0aCBEaWEuICBJJ20gdXNpbmcgdmVyc2lvbiAwLjg4IG9uIFJlZEhh dCA4LjAuICBJIHVuaW5zdGFsbGVkIHZlcnNpb24gMC45MCBiZWNhdXNlIHRoZSBjbGFzcyBp Y29uIHNpemluZyB3YXMgbm90IHByb3BvcnRpb25hdGUgdG8gdGhlIHRleHQgd2l0aGluIGl0 LiAgSSB0cmllZCB0aGUgbGF0ZXN0IENWUyBzb3VyY2UsIGhvd2V2ZXIsIEkgaGFkIGEgbG90 IG9mIHByb2JsZW1zIHdpdGggaXQgd2hpY2ggcmVzdWx0ZWQgaW4gc2VnIGZhdWx0cyAocGFy dGljdWxhcmx5IHdoZW4gSSdkIGF0dGVtcHQgdG8gZXhwb3J0IGEgZGlhZ3JhbSkuXHBhcg0K ICBTbywgSSBiYWNrZWQgZG93biB0byB2ZXJzaW9uIDAuODguICBUaGUgZGlhZ3JhbXMgbG9v ayBmaW5lIGluIHRoZSB3aW5kb3csIGhvd2V2ZXIgdGhleSBhcmUgSFVHRS4gIE9uZSBvZiBt eSBjbGFzc2VzIGNvdmVyZWQgMyBwYWdlcy4gIFNvLCBmb2xsb3dpbmcgdGhlIGluc3RydWN0 aW9ucywgSSB3ZW50IHRvIHBhZ2Ugc2V0IHVwIGFuZCB1bmRlciBTY2FsaW5nIEkgc2VsZWN0 ZWQgIkZpdCB0bzoiIGFuZCBzZXQgaXQgdG8gMXgxLiAgV2VsbCwgdGhlIGRpYWdyYW0gZml0 cywgYnV0IHRoZSB0ZXh0IGlzIGluY29tcHJlaGVuc2libGUuICBJIHRyaWVkIGxvb2tpbmcg Zm9yIGFuIG9wdGlvbiBmb3IgcmVzaXppbmcgZm9udHMgYW5kIGNvdWxkIG5vdCBsb2NhdGUg aXQuICBTbywgSSdtIGF0IGEgbG9zcyBhcyB0byB3aGF0IHRvIGRvIG5vdy5ccGFyDQpccGFy DQpUSUEsXHBhcg0KQ3VydFxwYXINCn0NCgA= --openmail-part-48d4d0af-00000002-- From mdupont777@yahoo.com Tue Oct 29 16:36:27 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D99EB18143 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:36:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20021029213626.19010.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [80.128.231.185] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 13:36:26 PST Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 13:36:26 -0800 (PST) From: James Michael DuPont Subject: Re: Noob can't print right on Win32.... To: dia-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20021029191827.A0FF81832A@mail.gnome.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --- Nick Fisher wrote: > > > what the size.. I'm wondering if this is a Dia thing or a Win32 > Dia > > > thing. > > > > I've been using Linux Dia with Letter paper for a long time without > > this > > problem, so I'm guessing it's a Win32 Dia problem. Probably the > same > > as > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85831 > > So just as a matter of intrest how likely is it that this bug will be > addressed soonish? If I can't easily print from Dia I will have to > find > annother diagraming package... that would be a shame as I'm getting > to > like Dia. There are workarounds for this scaling issue but no good > ones. > I'll help any way I can with testing...... Well, we are coming along with the new windows porting of the packages, if you want to help test them and help with the porting, then please do. Right now we are just wrapping the freetype and wil be starting on pango soon. http://introspector.sourceforge.net/dia_win32.htm As soon as we get the this going, I will do my best to help you with the printing. mike ===== James Michael DuPont http://introspector.sourceforge.net/ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From Nick@nickdafish.com Tue Oct 29 16:55:56 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from nickdafish.com (root.nickdafish.com [216.116.201.193]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF10C18480 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:55:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from WorldClient [216.116.201.194] by nickdafish.com [216.116.201.194] with SMTP (MDaemon.PRO.v5.0.4.R) for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:54:58 -0500 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:54:58 -0500 From: "Nick Fisher" To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Noob can't print right on Win32.... X-Mailer: WorldClient 5.0.4 In-Reply-To: <20021029213626.19010.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> X-MDRemoteIP: 216.116.201.194 X-Return-Path: Nick@nickdafish.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dia-list@gnome.org Message-Id: <20021029215555.EF10C18480@mail.gnome.org> Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > > I'll help any way I can with testing...... > Well, we are coming along with the new windows porting of the packages, > if you want to help test them and help with the porting, then please > do. How would I go about doing that? Should I just keep an eye on the http://dia-installer.sourceforge.net/ page? I can't find a Win32 Dia page on freshmeat :( Is there a beta testers list I should join? Nick From lrclause@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu Tue Oct 29 17:13:39 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (shasta.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.246.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3B47182A0 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:13:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) with ESMTP id g9TMDdaA022728 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:13:39 -0600 Received: (from lrclause@localhost) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) id g9TMDd5M022724; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:13:39 -0600 Subject: Re: Problems resizing To: dia-list@gnome.org References: From: Lars Clausen Date: 29 Oct 2002 16:13:39 -0600 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <81vg3kki5o.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Lines: 29 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, curtcrandall@northwesternmutual.com wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I'm trying to write some simple Class diagrams with Dia. I'm using > version 0.88 on RedHat 8.0. I uninstalled version 0.90 because the > class icon sizing was not proportionate to the text within it. I tried > the latest CVS source, however, I had a lot of problems with it which > resulted in seg faults (particularly when I'd attempt to export a > diagram). > So, I backed down to version 0.88. The diagrams look fine in the > window, however they are HUGE. One of my classes covered 3 pages. So, > following the instructions, I went to page set up and under Scaling I > selected "Fit to:" and set it to 1x1. Well, the diagram fits, but the > text is incomprehensible. I tried looking for an option for resizing > fonts and could not locate it. So, I'm at a loss as to what to do now. 0.88 doesn't allow setting the fonts for a Class object. Additionally, it will sometimes make the text go outside the box. In 0.90, we made a tweak, so that at least the text stays inside the box, even if there is some extra space. CVS head shouldn't segfault when exporting, we'd like to hear some details on that. -Lars --=20 Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| H=E5rdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |------------------------= ---- will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbas= ket? From mdupont777@yahoo.com Tue Oct 29 17:15:37 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4E1DB1833B for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:15:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20021029221536.58019.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [80.128.231.185] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:15:36 PST Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:15:36 -0800 (PST) From: James Michael DuPont Subject: Re: Noob can't print right on Win32.... To: dia-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20021029215555.EF10C18480@mail.gnome.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --- Nick Fisher wrote: > > > I'll help any way I can with testing...... > > Well, we are coming along with the new windows porting of the > packages, > > if you want to help test them and help with the porting, then > please > > do. > How would I go about doing that? You need to setup a debian box, get all the packages described on the page I sent you last http://introspector.sourceforge.net/dia_win32.htm Then you can download and test the builds of the various packages, and help fix some of the simpler bugs (like removing conflicting files from the build) or help port some more packages. If you setup the env correctly, you should be able to build and test with just a simple command. Well, under windows itself, right now, it is much more difficult, you need to get the cygwin and the dpkg for cygwin. I have a bunch of patches for that, and have ported some packages to it but dont have any testers. > Should I just keep an eye on the > http://dia-installer.sourceforge.net/ page? Not yet, this thing is a while off from being installable, we are still working on compiling all the modules under mingw32. > I can't find a Win32 Dia > page > on freshmeat :( > Is there a beta testers list I should join? The mailling list is here : http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/introspector-mingw32 Mike ===== James Michael DuPont http://introspector.sourceforge.net/ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From Nick@nickdafish.com Tue Oct 29 17:29:34 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from nickdafish.com (root.nickdafish.com [216.116.201.193]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36837180FB for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:29:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from WorldClient [216.116.201.194] by nickdafish.com [216.116.201.194] with SMTP (MDaemon.PRO.v5.0.4.R) for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:28:47 -0500 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:28:47 -0500 From: "Nick Fisher" To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Noob can't print right on Win32.... X-Mailer: WorldClient 5.0.4 In-Reply-To: <20021029221536.58019.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> X-MDRemoteIP: 216.116.201.194 X-Return-Path: Nick@nickdafish.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dia-list@gnome.org Message-Id: <20021029222934.36837180FB@mail.gnome.org> Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hummmm..... I'm afraid I use Gentoo (Not Debian) and I don't use X. I also don't have the time to get into cygwin in the depth I suspect I would need too :( Sorry. Is there any straight up Win32 testing I can help with? Nick > > > > I'll help any way I can with testing...... > > > Well, we are coming along with the new windows porting of the > > packages, > > > if you want to help test them and help with the porting, then > > please > > > do. > > How would I go about doing that? > > You need to setup a debian box, get all the packages described on the > page I sent you last http://introspector.sourceforge.net/dia_win32.htm > > Then you can download and test the builds of the various packages, and > help fix some of the simpler bugs (like removing conflicting files from > the build) or help port some more packages. > > If you setup the env correctly, you should be able to build and test > with just a simple command. > > Well, under windows itself, right now, it is much more difficult, you > need to get the cygwin and the dpkg for cygwin. I have a bunch of > patches for that, and have ported some packages to it but dont have any > testers. > > > Should I just keep an eye on the > > http://dia-installer.sourceforge.net/ page? > > Not yet, this thing is a while off from being installable, > we are still working on compiling all the modules under mingw32. > > > > I can't find a Win32 Dia > > page > > on freshmeat :( > > > Is there a beta testers list I should join? > > The mailling list is here : > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/introspector-mingw32 From mdupont777@yahoo.com Tue Oct 29 17:46:46 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from web13309.mail.yahoo.com (web13309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.192]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D345318883 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:46:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20021029224645.81634.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [80.128.231.185] by web13309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:46:45 PST Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:46:45 -0800 (PST) From: James Michael DuPont Subject: Re: Noob can't print right on Win32.... To: dia-list@gnome.org Cc: introspector-mingw32@lists.sourceforge.net, mikegarnesy@yahoo.com In-Reply-To: <20021029222934.36837180FB@mail.gnome.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --- Nick Fisher wrote: > Hummmm..... > I'm afraid I use Gentoo (Not Debian) and I don't use X. you dont need x to help test compile, that is the great thing. It could even be automated. Ahh, can you try installing the debian source packages under gentoo? there must be way to convert, I will look into that. I will look if there > I also don't > have > the time to get into cygwin in the depth I suspect I would need too > :( > Sorry. Is there any straight up Win32 testing I can help with? Maybe you can alien out the exes and libs for testing? yes, you can get the debs, and somehow extract the files or wait and someone who has debian can extract and publish them. that would be a great test. Mike garnsey has reported that he can even replace the DLLs of the libxml that he as built under debian with the installed DIA under windows and it works. This would even be a great test, I will have to think about it, but we could install the libs + headers of the ports that hans and tor have been working on, and then use them to fake the environment of each debian package individually. That would make it possible to port all of the packages at the same time. Kinda like resolving the problem in parallel. What do you think? > > > > > > I'll help any way I can with testing...... > > > > Well, we are coming along with the new windows porting of the > > > packages, > > > > if you want to help test them and help with the porting, then > > > please > > > > do. > > > How would I go about doing that? > > > > You need to setup a debian box, get all the packages described on > the > > page I sent you last > http://introspector.sourceforge.net/dia_win32.htm > > > > Then you can download and test the builds of the various packages, > and > > help fix some of the simpler bugs (like removing conflicting files > from > > the build) or help port some more packages. > > > > If you setup the env correctly, you should be able to build and > test > > with just a simple command. > > > > Well, under windows itself, right now, it is much more difficult, > you > > need to get the cygwin and the dpkg for cygwin. I have a bunch of > > patches for that, and have ported some packages to it but dont have > any > > testers. > > > > > Should I just keep an eye on the > > > http://dia-installer.sourceforge.net/ page? > > > > Not yet, this thing is a while off from being installable, > > we are still working on compiling all the modules under mingw32. > > > > > > > I can't find a Win32 Dia > > > page > > > on freshmeat :( > > > > > Is there a beta testers list I should join? > > > > The mailling list is here : > > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/introspector-mingw32 ===== James Michael DuPont http://introspector.sourceforge.net/ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From ccrandall77@yahoo.com Wed Oct 30 00:06:33 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from web40311.mail.yahoo.com (web40311.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.90]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0E111180E1 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 00:06:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20021030050631.9295.qmail@web40311.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.94.244.114] by web40311.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:06:31 PST Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:06:31 -0800 (PST) From: Curt Crandall Subject: Re: Problems resizing To: dia-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <81vg3kki5o.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi Lars, I just installed the latest CVS release of Dia. There were several problems with it. First, I tried installing by executing the command: . autogen.sh --prefix=/usr I did that since I'd like it to appear in my GNOME menu. It installed, I saw the menu entry, but it didn't execute. Trying it from the terminal, it complained it couldn't find the library file libdia.so.0. I just installed it so it went in /usr/local and tried executing from the command line. When I opened my UML files, the text was offset slightly downward so the last line of text was partially out of the box. Finally, when I right click, choose File, and then select, the program promptly dies and the terminal reads that there's a Segmentation Fault. I don't have any more details other than that. Also, this isn't a functional problem, but it's a little confusing. Some of the text fields and buttons are backwards in this release compared to 0.88. For instance, double clicking on a large package gives a dialog box with stereotype first and name second. And the buttons on the bottom of most dialog boxes has close first, followed by apply and then ok. Since I'm used to the order being ok, apply and close, this has been a source of some frustration. I'm running on RedHat 8.0, with the latest kernel from RedHat (2.4.18-17). Thanks, Curt --- Lars Clausen wrote: > 0.88 doesn't allow setting the fonts for a Class > object. Additionally, it > will sometimes make the text go outside the box. In > 0.90, we made a tweak, > so that at least the text stays inside the box, even > if there is some extra > space. CVS head shouldn't segfault when exporting, > we'd like to hear some > details on that. > > -Lars > > -- > Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| > Hårdgrim of Numenor > "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I > |---------------------------- > will defend to the death your right to say it." | > Where are we going, and > --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | > what's with the handbasket? > _______________________________________________ > Dia-list mailing list > Dia-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list > FAQ at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia/faq.html > Main page at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From ccrandall77@yahoo.com Wed Oct 30 00:10:47 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from web40302.mail.yahoo.com (web40302.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.81]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CB55E180E1 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 00:10:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20021030051046.9541.qmail@web40302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.94.244.114] by web40302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:10:46 PST Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:10:46 -0800 (PST) From: Curt Crandall Subject: Re: Problems resizing To: dia-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <81vg3kki5o.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Lars, I don't know if this is the error coming from the segfault... I haven't received it before and I can't tell when during the program execution it occurred, but I'll pass it along anyway: (dia:16085): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a previous GError or uninitialized memory. This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL before it's set. The overwriting error message was: Failed to open file '/home/ccrandal/.dia/font_menu': No such file or directory Segmentation fault --- Lars Clausen wrote: > 0.88 doesn't allow setting the fonts for a Class > object. Additionally, it > will sometimes make the text go outside the box. In > 0.90, we made a tweak, > so that at least the text stays inside the box, even > if there is some extra > space. CVS head shouldn't segfault when exporting, > we'd like to hear some > details on that. > > -Lars > > -- > Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| > Hårdgrim of Numenor > "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I > |---------------------------- > will defend to the death your right to say it." | > Where are we going, and > --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | > what's with the handbasket? > _______________________________________________ > Dia-list mailing list > Dia-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list > FAQ at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia/faq.html > Main page at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From horkana@tcd.ie Wed Oct 30 09:37:44 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CFA56180E0 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:37:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from gosset.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 30 Oct 2002 14:37:43 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 14:37:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Horkan X-X-Sender: horkana@gosset.maths.tcd.ie To: dia-list@gnome.org Cc: Robert Smith Subject: Re: Feature Request In-Reply-To: <81adkxksql.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Very nice of you to offer to help, let's see... > Talk to Alan Horkan about prettying up the icons for the shapes he's > making. That's the only graphics stuff I can think of right now. The only existing icons i have made any effort to make as pretty as the ones i added (my Assorted Sheet) are the MSE icons and i did a half assed job of adding transparency to them. While i am relectant to suggest anyone besides me try to do this (i am ridiculously meticulous and spent the last 2 hours drawing icons pixel by pixel) but you might consider adding transparency to just about every icon in Dia and making the grey lines into clear black lines. But time would be far better spent by a programmer making the exporter a little smarter about PNG files and transparency, or geting the Dia exporter to export to all of the raster formats supported by the Gimp or something else. If you have any coding ability at all there are lots of little things i could suggest. If you would rather make shapes and mess about with XML like i am doing there are plenty of time consuming and or exceedingly tedious things i could suggest. You might also consider going through just about every shape file in Dia and making sure that the colours are set to none background foreground There is a problem in Dia, some of the shapes created do not allow the user to override their colours, but again a bit of programming would be a far better way to spend your time. Tell me more about what you are intersted in and what skills you have and i will try and suggest less pedantic stuff that i was probably going to do myself anyway. You mentioned you knew about Databases so perhaps you would play around with TediaSql. I would love to see a simple plugin for Dia that basically gave a graphical frontend to a glorified version of exec() so that users like me could make use of some of the excellent add on scripts in an easy click and drool way. Graphics, oh yeah, i think there was some talk of having some really nice examples to ship with Dia or put on the website. If graphics are your thing that would probably be a really good thing to do. Ideas, i got lots of them. Bugzilla is full of things you might be able to tackle. Sincerely Alan Horkan http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ From vfrunza@hotmail.com Wed Oct 30 07:44:44 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from hotmail.com (f68.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F011C18102 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 07:44:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 04:44:43 -0800 Received: from 194.102.254.150 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 12:44:42 GMT X-Originating-IP: [194.102.254.150] From: "Valentin FRUNZA" To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: compiling dia 0.9 Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 12:44:42 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Oct 2002 12:44:43.0288 (UTC) FILETIME=[1EB72180:01C28012] Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Dear all, First of all, please excuse me for using a html (web based) email. No other choice for now... Now the problem. Trying to compile dia 0.9 I get the message that libunicode not found. Still, the library was installed successfully. The system that I am using is a HP Vectra VE, Pentium/200, running RedHat 6.2 with kernel 2.2.20. Further, you will find messages given at configure time: checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c checking whether build environment is sane... yes checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... yes checking for working aclocal... found checking for working autoconf... found checking for working automake... found checking for working autoheader... found checking for working makeinfo... found checking for gcc... gcc checking for C compiler default output... a.out checking whether the C compiler works... yes checking whether we are cross compiling... no checking for suffix of executables... checking for suffix of object files... o checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes checking whether to enable maintainer-specific portions of Makefiles... no checking build system type... i586-pc-linux-gnu checking host system type... i586-pc-linux-gnu checking for ld used by GCC... /usr/bin/ld checking if the linker (/usr/bin/ld) is GNU ld... yes checking for /usr/bin/ld option to reload object files... -r checking for BSD-compatible nm... /usr/bin/nm -B checking whether ln -s works... yes checking how to recognise dependant libraries... pass_all checking command to parse /usr/bin/nm -B output... ok checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E checking for ANSI C header files... yes checking for sys/types.h... yes checking for sys/stat.h... yes checking for stdlib.h... yes checking for string.h... yes checking for memory.h... yes checking for strings.h... yes checking for inttypes.h... yes checking for stdint.h... yes checking for unistd.h... yes checking dlfcn.h usability... yes checking dlfcn.h presence... yes checking for dlfcn.h... yes checking for ranlib... ranlib checking for strip... strip checking for objdir... .libs checking for gcc option to produce PIC... -fPIC checking if gcc PIC flag -fPIC works... yes checking if gcc static flag -static works... yes checking if gcc supports -c -o file.o... yes checking if gcc supports -c -o file.lo... yes checking if gcc supports -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions... yes checking whether the linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries... yes checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate checking whether stripping libraries is possible... yes checking dynamic linker characteristics... 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(cached) yes checking for strtol... yes checking for snprintf... yes checking math.h usability... yes checking math.h presence... yes checking for math.h... yes checking for isinf in -lm... yes checking sunmath.h usability... no checking sunmath.h presence... no checking for sunmath.h... no checking if C compiler accepts -Wall... yes checking if C compiler accepts -Wunused... yes checking if C compiler accepts -Winline... yes checking if C compiler accepts -Wmissing-prototypes... yes checking if C compiler accepts -Wmissing-declarations... yes checking if C compiler accepts -finline-functions... yes checking if C compiler accepts -fstrict-aliasing... yes checking for db2html... no Configuration: Source code location: . Compiler: gcc Libart (AA rendering, png export): yes Gnome support: no Build bonobo component (not supported): no Gnome-print support (not recommended): no Python support: no (LIMITED) Freetype support: no Unicode not present. This will NOT build. Still, checking if libunicode exists, the result is: libunicode: /usr/src/libunicode-0.4/libunicode.la /lib/libunicode.a /lib/libunicode.la /lib/libunicode.so /usr/lib/libunicode.a /usr/lib/libunicode.la /usr/lib/libunicode.so /usr/local/lib/libunicode.so /usr/local/lib/libunicode.la /usr/local/lib/libunicode.a Thanking you again for your valuable help, I apologize again for the lenght and for of the message. Valentin _________________________________________________________________ Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband.  Join now! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp From lrclause@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu Wed Oct 30 10:29:09 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (shasta.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.246.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A1B518BFF for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:29:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) with ESMTP id g9UFT8aA015071 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:29:08 -0600 Received: (from lrclause@localhost) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) id g9UFT8rL015067; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:29:08 -0600 Subject: Re: compiling dia 0.9 To: dia-list@gnome.org References: From: Lars Clausen Date: 30 Oct 2002 09:29:08 -0600 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <81lm4gx7wb.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Lines: 22 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Valentin FRUNZA wrote: > Dear all, >=20 >=20 > First of all, please excuse me for using a html (web based) email. No > other choice for now... >=20 > Now the problem. Trying to compile dia 0.9 I get the message that > libunicode not found. Still, the library was installed successfully. > The system that I am using is a HP Vectra VE, Pentium/200, running > RedHat 6.2 with kernel 2.2.20. Are you using the libunicode 0.7 from sourceforge.net? It's the wrong one, see http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D84520. -Lars --=20 Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| H=E5rdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |------------------------= ---- will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbas= ket? From horkana@tcd.ie Wed Oct 30 10:44:26 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 213E918C98 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:44:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 30 Oct 2002 15:44:24 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 15:44:23 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Horkan X-X-Sender: horkana@turing.maths.tcd.ie To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: compiling dia 0.9 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Valentin FRUNZA wrote: > Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 12:44:42 +0000 > From: Valentin FRUNZA > Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org > To: dia-list@gnome.org > Subject: compiling dia 0.9 > > Dear all, > > > First of all, please excuse me for using a html (web based) email. No other > choice for now... It seems that if you dont use any additional formatting that it gets sent as plaintext. Very polite of you to apoligise in advance though. I haven't a clue how to help solve your problem, sorry. Later Alan From Nick@nickdafish.com Wed Oct 30 16:33:03 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from nickdafish.com (root.nickdafish.com [216.116.201.193]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2C8B182D2 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 16:33:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from WorldClient [216.116.201.194] by nickdafish.com [216.116.201.194] with SMTP (MDaemon.PRO.v5.0.4.R) for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 16:32:21 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 16:32:21 -0500 From: "Nick Fisher" To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Noob testing on Win32.... X-Mailer: WorldClient 5.0.4 In-Reply-To: <20021029224645.81634.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> X-MDRemoteIP: 216.116.201.194 X-Return-Path: Nick@nickdafish.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dia-list@gnome.org Message-Id: <20021030213302.D2C8B182D2@mail.gnome.org> Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > > Hummmm..... > > I'm afraid I use Gentoo (Not Debian) and I don't use X. > you dont need x to help test compile, that is the great thing. > It could even be automated. Except I'm going to be missing stacks of libs.... no? > Ahh, can you try installing the debian source packages under gentoo? > there must be way to convert, I will look into that. Havn't a clue. I think their quite different, Gentoo uses BSD style ports called ebuilds rather than packages. Maybe I can install the debian package manager but everything is probbaly going to be in the wrong places. Gentoo is conforms to FSH 1.1 but not your standard RedHat SystemV stuff. > I will look if there > > I also don't > > have > > the time to get into cygwin in the depth I suspect I would need too > > :( > > Sorry. Is there any straight up Win32 testing I can help with? > Maybe you can alien out the exes and libs for testing? Maybe if I knew what alien was..... it looks like some sort of packaging tool. > yes, you can get the debs, and somehow extract the files or wait and > someone who has debian can extract and publish them. > > that would be a great test. Mike garnsey has reported that he can even > replace the DLLs of the libxml that he as built under debian > with the installed DIA under windows and it works. EH? Are you saying that you can take the debian binarys and use them as Win32 Dlls?!?!? That would be cool...... > This would even be a great test, I will have to think about it, > but we could install the libs + headers of the ports that hans and tor > have been working on, and then use them to fake the environment of each > debian package individually. That would make it possible to port all of > the packages at the same time. Kinda like resolving the problem in > parallel. > > What do you think? I'm not 100% on what your going on about but in theory I'm in. If all else fails I can set up annother Gentoo machine just for this (I think we have one around) but we are wandering into parts of Linux I've only dabbled in. I was trained as a C coder many moons ago on a BSD system and I'm a NT/Win2k MCSE. My Unix admin skills are purely from my spare time goofing off. I recon I can put a few hours a week into a bit of Dia testing but you may have to give me links and help on the tools I've not used before (Like alien). In all it sounds like fun. Let me know..... Nick From jklowden@schemamania.org Wed Oct 30 18:48:03 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from lowden.schemamania.org (jklowden-0.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.254.83.207]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6337818809 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 18:48:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from lowden (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lowden.schemamania.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g9UNlvl03691 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 18:47:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 18:47:57 -0500 From: "James K. Lowden" To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Problems resizing Message-Id: <20021030184757.25a361d1.jklowden@schemamania.org> In-Reply-To: <20021030050631.9295.qmail@web40311.mail.yahoo.com> References: <81vg3kki5o.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> <20021030050631.9295.qmail@web40311.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.5 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386--netbsdelf) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:06:31 -0800 (PST), Curt Crandall wrote: > the buttons on the bottom of most dialog boxes has > close first, followed by apply and then ok. Since I'm > used to the order being ok, apply and close, this has > been a source of some frustration. Placing "OK" in the lower right corner conforms to the Gnome Human Interface Guidelines. http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/1.0/windows.html#instant-apply --jkl From horkana@tcd.ie Wed Oct 30 19:25:31 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A7FA418186 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 19:25:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 31 Oct 2002 00:25:29 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 00:25:25 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Horkan X-X-Sender: horkana@turing.maths.tcd.ie To: Nick Fisher Cc: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Noob testing on Win32.... In-Reply-To: <20021030213302.D2C8B182D2@mail.gnome.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Nick Fisher wrote: > Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 16:32:21 -0500 > From: Nick Fisher > Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org > To: dia-list@gnome.org > Subject: Noob testing on Win32.... > > > > Hummmm..... > > > I'm afraid I use Gentoo (Not Debian) and I don't use X. > > you dont need x to help test compile, that is the great thing. > > It could even be automated. > Except I'm going to be missing stacks of libs.... no? Probably > > Ahh, can you try installing the debian source packages under gentoo? > > there must be way to convert, I will look into that. > Havn't a clue. I think their quite different, Gentoo uses BSD style ports > called ebuilds rather than packages. Maybe I can install the debian i thought it was called 'portage' but anyway > package manager but everything is probbaly going to be in the wrong > places. Gentoo is conforms to FSH 1.1 but not your standard RedHat SystemV > stuff. If you could find where it breaks and help to figure out what changes would be need to be made to the makefiles to get it to compile on Gentoo. > > > Sorry. Is there any straight up Win32 testing I can help with? > > Maybe you can alien out the exes and libs for testing? Alien is a program for converting between package formats (and as such extracting binaries from non native packages). Google for Alien and RPM or package should turn up something, the homepage for Alien might be on sourceforge but i forget and i dont have time to check right now. I empathise with your situation. Providing binaries makes testing easier for everyone, i almost never compile anything. Other projects keep the version in CVS so that it can always be easily built and some have regular automated builds every day. It is all about lowering the barrier to entry and making it as easy as possible for those who are willing to help to get involved. It is hard to convince developers that the work required to build infrastructure and community is worth it in the longer run, and frankly it is not as interesting work. Release early release often. I really have no choice but to practice what i preach and get off my ass and start compiling Dia myself. > I was trained as a C coder many moons ago on a BSD system and I'm a > NT/Win2k MCSE. My Unix admin skills are purely from my spare time goofing getting Dia to compile cleaning on various platforms would be very useful work. if you are looking for suggestions perhaps you might grab 'valgrind' (similar in function to Rational Purify) and hunt down memory leaks. > off. I recon I can put a few hours a week into a bit of Dia testing but > you may have to give me links and help on the tools I've not used before ill provide links tomorrow if you want, but not now 28k dialup sucks rocks. > (Like alien). In all it sounds like fun. Let me know..... I am always happy to pass on my limited knowledge and welcome anyone who is willing to help. Later Alan From mike_garnsey@yahoo.com Wed Oct 30 19:36:33 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from web20421.mail.yahoo.com (web20409.mail.yahoo.com [66.163.169.97]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 745321839A for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 19:36:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20021031003632.65081.qmail@web20421.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.33.215.163] by web20409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 16:36:32 PST Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 16:36:32 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Garnsey Subject: Re: Noob testing on Win32.... To: dia-list@gnome.org Cc: introspector-mingw32@lists.sourceforge.net In-Reply-To: <20021030213302.D2C8B182D2@mail.gnome.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --- Nick Fisher wrote: > > > that would be a great test. Mike garnsey has > > reported that he can even replace the DLLs > > of the libxml that he as built under debian > > with the installed DIA under windows and it > > works. > EH? Are you saying that you can take the debian > binarys and use them as > Win32 Dlls?!?!? That would be cool...... > Nope, I used the mingw32 cross-compile tools on my debian box to build the win32 DLL for libxml... cheers, Mike G. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From Nick@nickdafish.com Wed Oct 30 19:56:58 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from nickdafish.com (root.nickdafish.com [216.116.201.193]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B71B18186 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 19:56:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from WorldClient [216.116.201.194] by nickdafish.com [216.116.201.194] with SMTP (MDaemon.PRO.v5.0.4.R) for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 19:56:53 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 19:56:53 -0500 From: "Nick Fisher" To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Noob testing on Win32.... X-Mailer: WorldClient 5.0.4 In-Reply-To: X-MDRemoteIP: 216.116.201.194 X-Return-Path: Nick@nickdafish.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dia-list@gnome.org Message-Id: <20021031005657.9B71B18186@mail.gnome.org> Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > > > > Hummmm..... > > > > I'm afraid I use Gentoo (Not Debian) and I don't use X. > > > you dont need x to help test compile, that is the great thing. > > > It could even be automated. > > Except I'm going to be missing stacks of libs.... no? > Probably I smell an upcomming 'new' gentoo machine with X and Gnome.... One advantage to this down turn in the ecomomy is that I now have serveral 'spare' desktop machines! > > > Ahh, can you try installing the debian source packages under > gentoo? > > > there must be way to convert, I will look into that. > > Havn't a clue. I think their quite different, Gentoo uses BSD style > ports > > called ebuilds rather than packages. Maybe I can install the debian > i thought it was called 'portage' but anyway The system is called Portage but the 'packages' are called ebuilds. ebuilds are bash (I think) scripts that use the commands provided by Portage and are generally run using Portage command 'emerge'. > > package manager but everything is probbaly going to be in the wrong > > places. Gentoo is conforms to FSH 1.1 but not your standard RedHat > SystemV > > stuff. > If you could find where it breaks and help to figure out what changes > would be need to be made to the makefiles to get it to compile on > Gentoo. I've always wanted to figure out the details of writing ebuilds on Gentoo but I was going to try and start with some thing simpler... > > > > Sorry. Is there any straight up Win32 testing I can help with? > > > Maybe you can alien out the exes and libs for testing? > Alien is a program for converting between package formats (and as such > extracting binaries from non native packages). Ahhh..... > Google for Alien and > RPM > or package should turn up something, the homepage for Alien might be on > sourceforge but i forget and i dont have time to check right now. I did that.... that's how I knew sorta what it is. I have since found the home page.... (The RPM in the search did the trick) http://www.kitenet.net/programs/alien/ > I empathise with your situation. > > Providing binaries makes testing easier for everyone, i almost never > compile anything. I use Gentoo and hence compile everything. I don't suppose it makes that much difference but it gives me warm fuzzy feelings knowing all my binarys are optimised for my arch. > Other projects keep the version in CVS so that > it can always be easily built and some have regular automated > builds every day. It is all about lowering the barrier to entry > and making it as easy as possible for those who are willing to help > to get involved. It is hard to convince developers that the work > required > to build infrastructure and community is worth it in the longer run, > and > frankly it is not as interesting work. Sorta like documentation ;) > > I was trained as a C coder many moons ago on a BSD system and I'm a > > NT/Win2k MCSE. My Unix admin skills are purely from my spare time > goofing > getting Dia to compile cleaning on various platforms would be very > useful > work. Just to make this clear I'm not stepping forward for Win32 compile testing. Generally I only script on Win32 with the odd dose of VB when it can't be helped. Maybe further down the road.... > if you are looking for suggestions perhaps you might grab 'valgrind' > (similar in function to Rational Purify) and hunt down memory leaks. > > > off. I recon I can put a few hours a week into a bit of Dia testing > but > > you may have to give me links and help on the tools I've not used > before > > ill provide links tomorrow if you want, but not now 28k dialup sucks > rocks. 28k... oh dear. May I suggest some thing faster? Perhaps something based on RFC1149 (http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt)? :) Nick From Nick@nickdafish.com Wed Oct 30 20:03:29 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from nickdafish.com (root.nickdafish.com [216.116.201.193]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19A4818186 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 20:03:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from WorldClient [216.116.201.194] by nickdafish.com [216.116.201.194] with SMTP (MDaemon.PRO.v5.0.4.R) for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 20:02:32 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 20:02:32 -0500 From: "Nick Fisher" To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Noob testing on Win32.... X-Mailer: WorldClient 5.0.4 In-Reply-To: <20021031003632.65081.qmail@web20421.mail.yahoo.com> X-MDRemoteIP: 216.116.201.194 X-Return-Path: Nick@nickdafish.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dia-list@gnome.org Message-Id: <20021031010329.19A4818186@mail.gnome.org> Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > > > that would be a great test. Mike garnsey has > > > reported that he can even replace the DLLs > > > of the libxml that he as built under debian > > > with the installed DIA under windows and it > > > works. > > EH? Are you saying that you can take the debian > > binarys and use them as > > Win32 Dlls?!?!? That would be cool...... > > > Nope, I used the mingw32 cross-compile tools > on my debian box to build the win32 DLL for > libxml... Phew.... that makes MUCH more sence. I will have to go look those up. Nick From mdupont777@yahoo.com Thu Oct 31 03:02:40 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from web13306.mail.yahoo.com (web13306.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.42]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C038E1813B for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 03:02:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20021031080238.18133.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [80.128.226.246] by web13306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 00:02:38 PST Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 00:02:38 -0800 (PST) From: James Michael DuPont Subject: Re: Noob testing on Win32.... To: dia-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20021030213302.D2C8B182D2@mail.gnome.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --- Nick Fisher wrote: > > > Hummmm..... > > > I'm afraid I use Gentoo (Not Debian) and I don't use X. > > you dont need x to help test compile, that is the great thing. > > It could even be automated. > Except I'm going to be missing stacks of libs.... no? We are building from scratch. libiconv does not need any other libs. > > > Ahh, can you try installing the debian source packages under > gentoo? > > there must be way to convert, I will look into that. > Havn't a clue. I think their quite different, Gentoo uses BSD style > ports > called ebuilds rather than packages. Maybe I can install the debian > package manager but everything is probbaly going to be in the wrong > places. I have a create minimal standalone debian directory structure, you can use that to install into. just get dpkg and debhelpers running. it does not matter where the stuff is installed into, we use /usr/local/win32 as the root. > Gentoo is conforms to FSH 1.1 but not your standard RedHat > SystemV > stuff. Ok, I will alien the packages into targz. > > > I will look if there > > > I also don't > > > have > > > the time to get into cygwin in the depth I suspect I would need > too > > > :( > > > Sorry. Is there any straight up Win32 testing I can help with? > > Maybe you can alien out the exes and libs for testing? > Maybe if I knew what alien was..... it looks like some sort of > packaging tool. a package converter for debian, it can take debs and convert them to tgz. > > > yes, you can get the debs, and somehow extract the files or wait > and > > someone who has debian can extract and publish them. > > > > that would be a great test. Mike garnsey has reported that he can > even > > replace the DLLs of the libxml that he as built under debian > > with the installed DIA under windows and it works. > EH? Are you saying that you can take the debian binarys and use them > as > Win32 Dlls?!?!? That would be cool...... err, the cross compiler produces windowsdlls. This project is to create windows executables under linux, and make it easy to do. > > > This would even be a great test, I will have to think about it, > > but we could install the libs + headers of the ports that hans and > tor > > have been working on, and then use them to fake the environment of > each > > debian package individually. That would make it possible to port > all of > > the packages at the same time. Kinda like resolving the problem in > > parallel. > > > > What do you think? > I'm not 100% on what your going on about but in theory I'm in. If all > else > fails I can set up annother Gentoo machine just for this (I think we > have > one around) but we are wandering into parts of Linux I've only > dabbled in. > I was trained as a C coder many moons ago on a BSD system and I'm a > NT/Win2k MCSE. My Unix admin skills are purely from my spare time > goofing > off. I recon I can put a few hours a week into a bit of Dia testing > but > you may have to give me links and help on the tools I've not used > before > (Like alien). In all it sounds like fun. Let me know..... ok, please try and get the debian tools running, maybe you can make a small debain partition? mike ===== James Michael DuPont http://introspector.sourceforge.net/ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From mdupont777@yahoo.com Thu Oct 31 05:15:36 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7F1B7180F0 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 05:15:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20021031101534.26569.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.202.25.243] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 02:15:34 PST Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 02:15:34 -0800 (PST) From: James Michael DuPont Subject: Re: Noob testing on Win32.... To: dia-list@gnome.org, Nick Fisher Cc: dia-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > > > > Hummmm..... > > > > I'm afraid I use Gentoo (Not Debian) and I don't use X. > > > you dont need x to help test compile, that is the great thing. > > > It could even be automated. > > Except I'm going to be missing stacks of libs.... no? > > Probably Sorry, that is wrong. > > > Ahh, can you try installing the debian source packages under > gentoo? > > > there must be way to convert, I will look into that. > > Havn't a clue. I think their quite different, Gentoo uses BSD style > ports > > called ebuilds rather than packages. Maybe I can install the debian > > i thought it was called 'portage' but anyway I am working on portage right now, /sys-apps/portage is the directory with the sources in the gentoo. Maybe I can get it running under debian. > If you could find where it breaks and help to figure out what changes > would be need to be made to the makefiles to get it to compile on > Gentoo. > > > > > Sorry. Is there any straight up Win32 testing I can help with? > > > Maybe you can alien out the exes and libs for testing? > > Alien is a program for converting between package formats (and as > such > extracting binaries from non native packages). Google for Alien and > RPM > or package should turn up something, the homepage for Alien might be > on > sourceforge but i forget and i dont have time to check right now. > > I empathise with your situation. > > Providing binaries makes testing easier for everyone, i almost never > compile anything. Other projects keep the version in CVS so that > it can always be easily built and some have regular automated > builds every day. It is all about lowering the barrier to entry > and making it as easy as possible for those who are willing to help > to get involved. It is hard to convince developers that the work > required > to build infrastructure and community is worth it in the longer run, > and > frankly it is not as interesting work. Well I am putting in this work. The job of a porter is to make the port reproducable, not just to produce binaries. The source code produced by a porter are the shell commands that are needed to compile. This needs to be distributed and documented. The issue here is setting up an entire new system for gentoo. I will look into that. > I really have no choice but to practice what i preach and get off my > ass > and start compiling Dia myself. If you have a debian box, it is not very easy. > I am always happy to pass on my limited knowledge and welcome anyone > who > is willing to help. I hope that you might help test the new ports as they come along. mike ===== James Michael DuPont http://introspector.sourceforge.net/ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From mdupont777@yahoo.com Thu Oct 31 05:15:36 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 823F5182BB for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 05:15:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20021031101534.26569.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.202.25.243] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 02:15:34 PST Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 02:15:34 -0800 (PST) From: James Michael DuPont Subject: Re: Noob testing on Win32.... To: dia-list@gnome.org, Nick Fisher Cc: dia-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > > > > Hummmm..... > > > > I'm afraid I use Gentoo (Not Debian) and I don't use X. > > > you dont need x to help test compile, that is the great thing. > > > It could even be automated. > > Except I'm going to be missing stacks of libs.... no? > > Probably Sorry, that is wrong. > > > Ahh, can you try installing the debian source packages under > gentoo? > > > there must be way to convert, I will look into that. > > Havn't a clue. I think their quite different, Gentoo uses BSD style > ports > > called ebuilds rather than packages. Maybe I can install the debian > > i thought it was called 'portage' but anyway I am working on portage right now, /sys-apps/portage is the directory with the sources in the gentoo. Maybe I can get it running under debian. > If you could find where it breaks and help to figure out what changes > would be need to be made to the makefiles to get it to compile on > Gentoo. > > > > > Sorry. Is there any straight up Win32 testing I can help with? > > > Maybe you can alien out the exes and libs for testing? > > Alien is a program for converting between package formats (and as > such > extracting binaries from non native packages). Google for Alien and > RPM > or package should turn up something, the homepage for Alien might be > on > sourceforge but i forget and i dont have time to check right now. > > I empathise with your situation. > > Providing binaries makes testing easier for everyone, i almost never > compile anything. Other projects keep the version in CVS so that > it can always be easily built and some have regular automated > builds every day. It is all about lowering the barrier to entry > and making it as easy as possible for those who are willing to help > to get involved. It is hard to convince developers that the work > required > to build infrastructure and community is worth it in the longer run, > and > frankly it is not as interesting work. Well I am putting in this work. The job of a porter is to make the port reproducable, not just to produce binaries. The source code produced by a porter are the shell commands that are needed to compile. This needs to be distributed and documented. The issue here is setting up an entire new system for gentoo. I will look into that. > I really have no choice but to practice what i preach and get off my > ass > and start compiling Dia myself. If you have a debian box, it is not very easy. > I am always happy to pass on my limited knowledge and welcome anyone > who > is willing to help. I hope that you might help test the new ports as they come along. mike ===== James Michael DuPont http://introspector.sourceforge.net/ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From opfinder@gmx.net Thu Oct 31 14:43:12 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 21A1218117 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 14:43:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 13718 invoked by uid 0); 31 Oct 2002 19:43:10 -0000 Received: from 213.237.26.142.adsl.he.worldonline.dk (HELO chachacha.kagsaa.dk) (213.237.26.142) by mail.gmx.net (mp006-rz3) with SMTP; 31 Oct 2002 19:43:10 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Martin Hans To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: snap to grid vs. straight lines Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:43:08 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200210312043.08670.opfinder@gmx.net> Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, I have not been able to find anything on this on bugzilla nor in the arch= ive=20 of this list. I use dia from today's cvs (took some time to make it compile). When doing a diagram, for instance a flowchart, how do I get straight=20 horizontal or vertical lines? - if I turn the grid on, then the center connection points of the text bo= xes=20 don't match the grid lines because it is the upper left corner of the box= =20 that snaps to grid and the width of the box is dependent on the content o= f=20 the box, not on the grid width. - i could, of course, use the zig-zag line, but then the arrowheads end u= p=20 pointing along the side of the box. - so instead it seems I have to turn off snap to grid and zoom in real cl= ose=20 to try to make the lines absolutely straight or get the arrowheads on the= =20 zig-zag lines point in the right direction. This is the one thing that makes it frustrating to create nicelooking dia= grams=20 in dia. Apart from this detail, I'm quite excited about dia. Martin PS: is there a way to draw several lines after each other without having = to=20 select the line tool each time? From horkana@tcd.ie Thu Oct 31 15:09:38 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CF41618EBC for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:09:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 31 Oct 2002 20:09:37 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:09:36 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Horkan X-X-Sender: horkana@turing.maths.tcd.ie To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: snap to grid vs. straight lines In-Reply-To: <200210312043.08670.opfinder@gmx.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > PS: is there a way to draw several lines after each other without having to > select the line tool each time? Preferences Reset tools after create Yes/No Later Alan "Halloween may be a lame excuse for a party, but it still an excuse for a party." - Alan From t.jean@free.fr Thu Oct 31 15:36:06 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from postfix2-1.free.fr (postfix2-1.free.fr [213.228.0.9]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8F0418117 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:36:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from imp4-1.free.fr (imp4-1.free.fr [213.228.0.57]) by postfix2-1.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3DBA68 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 21:36:01 +0100 (CET) Received: by imp4-1.free.fr (Postfix, from userid 33) id DA22B43C8; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 21:36:01 +0100 (CET) To: dia-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: snap to grid vs. straight lines Message-ID: <1036096561.3dc19431cd86c@imp.free.fr> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 21:36:01 +0100 (MET) From: Thierry Jean References: <200210312043.08670.opfinder@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <200210312043.08670.opfinder@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 63.87.138.206 Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: En réponse à Martin Hans : > Hi, > I have not been able to find anything on this on bugzilla nor in the > archive > of this list. (...) > > PS: is there a way to draw several lines after each other without having > to > select the line tool each time? In the menu File/Preferences/User Interface you can select Reset or not tools after create. Hope this helps Thierry From lrclause@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu Thu Oct 31 16:16:02 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (shasta.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.246.68]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D43418117 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:16:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) with ESMTP id g9VLG1aA012827 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:16:01 -0600 Received: (from lrclause@localhost) by shasta.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6) id g9VLG1MV012823; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:16:01 -0600 Subject: Re: snap to grid vs. straight lines To: dia-list@gnome.org References: <200210312043.08670.opfinder@gmx.net> From: Lars Clausen Date: 31 Oct 2002 15:16:01 -0600 In-Reply-To: <200210312043.08670.opfinder@gmx.net> Message-ID: <81of9agvhq.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Lines: 35 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Martin Hans wrote: > Hi, I have not been able to find anything on this on bugzilla nor in the > archive of this list. >=20 > I use dia from today's cvs (took some time to make it compile). >=20 > When doing a diagram, for instance a flowchart, how do I get straight=20 > horizontal or vertical lines? >=20 > - if I turn the grid on, then the center connection points of the text > boxes don't match the grid lines because it is the upper left corner of > the box that snaps to grid and the width of the box is dependent on the > content of the box, not on the grid width. >=20 > - i could, of course, use the zig-zag line, but then the arrowheads end > up pointing along the side of the box. >=20 > - so instead it seems I have to turn off snap to grid and zoom in real > close to try to make the lines absolutely straight or get the arrowheads > on the zig-zag lines point in the right direction. I've made some code that helps with this, but it hasn't been added to very many objects yet. Try taking two standard boxes (i.e. not from a sheet), and make a zigzagline horizontally between them. You should notice that the orientation of the arrows changes when you connect it. If you can do simple C programming, you can extend this to more programmed elements. I'm unsure how to get it added to shapes. -Lars --=20 Lars Clausen (http://shasta.cs.uiuc.edu/~lrclause)| H=E5rdgrim of Numenor "I do not agree with a word that you say, but I |------------------------= ---- will defend to the death your right to say it." | Where are we going, and --Evelyn Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire | what's with the handbas= ket? From hans@breuer.org Thu Oct 31 17:38:16 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dia-list@gnome.org Received: from mailrelay1.lrz-muenchen.de (mailrelay1.lrz-muenchen.de [129.187.254.101]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 019EE18366 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 17:38:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from [141.84.26.231] by mailout.lrz-muenchen.de for dia-list@gnome.org; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 23:38:13 +0100 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021031233638.007bd450@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de> X-Sender: h_breuer@odin.botanik.biologie.uni-muenchen.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 23:36:38 +0100 To: dia-list@gnome.org From: Hans Breuer Subject: Re: noise: Freetype and Windows In-Reply-To: <15805.51579.848000.802833@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <81iszmkuuu.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> <81iszmkuuu.fsf@shasta.cs.uiuc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: dia-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: dia-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: dia-list@gnome.org X-Loop: dia-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: discussions about usage and development of dia List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: At 23:34 28.10.02 +0000, Tor Lillqvist wrote: > > It is currently broken (just once more: please read 'Heads up on > > Pango Head') cause it uses fontconfig which appears to work on X > > but IMHO needs a complete rewrite to fit into the win32 platform. > >But it's only HEAD of Pango that uses fontconfig; shouldn't pangoft2 >in the pango-1-0 branch still work fine? Does Dia really require GTK+ >and Pango HEAD? > Pango/FT2 1.0 should work but IMHO Dia not even requires Pango/FT2 on win32 at all. Additionally at least I don't plan to do any porting to use a library whiches future portability is questionable ... At 21:06 28.10.02 -0600, Lars Clausen wrote: >As I understand it, Win32 Dia only requires Freetype for EPS export. >Printing is done via the native printing interface, and antialiasing via >the native font interface. > Yupp. With my backporting of the DiaPsRenderer to use strings - not font outlines - there even was some basic (latin-1 only) eps support again. The 'native aliasing' requires Pango future though, i.e. a not yet accepted patch to Pango/win32. See bug #94791. Hans -------- Hans "at" Breuer "dot" Org ----------- Tell me what you need, and I'll tell you how to get along without it. -- Dilbert