From dahunt@posteo.de Wed Nov 1 01:35:29 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 049FF76202 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2017 01:35:29 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rKSpLZFLU_E9 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2017 01:34:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout02.posteo.de (mout02.posteo.de [185.67.36.66]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8291876BB3 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2017 01:34:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E5E6C20470 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2017 02:34:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3yRW3x3Hg0z1052 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2017 02:34:53 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20171031194716.GA3397@gmail.com> <7F96382DF26B43C581117AC5A0C478B7@mygateway> From: Dave Hunt Message-ID: <59F924BB.8040106@posteo.de> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2017 21:34:51 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/38.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7F96382DF26B43C581117AC5A0C478B7@mygateway> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030708010808000100090005" Subject: Re: [orca-list] impact firefox 57 and orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2017 01:35:29 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030708010808000100090005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know of a downgrade command in apt, but you can put a package on hold. sudo aptitude hold firefox On 10/31/2017 06:31 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > Can you do a similar type thing to downgrade, and is there something > in sources.list, or somewhere else I can modify to blacklist Firefox > for the time being? --------------030708010808000100090005 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I don't know of a downgrade command in apt, but you can put a package on hold.

sudo aptitude hold firefox




On 10/31/2017 06:31 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
Can you do a similar type thing to downgrade, and is there something in sources.list, or somewhere else I can modify to blacklist Firefox for the time being?

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Then, how do you un! hold it when=20 ready?
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I don't know of a downgrade command in apt, but you can = put a=20 package on hold. 

sudo aptitude hold firefox =20




On 10/31/2017 06:31 PM, Christopher-Mark = Gilland=20 wrote:
Can you do a similar type thing to = downgrade,=20 and is there something in sources.list, or somewhere else I can = modify to=20 blacklist Firefox for the time being?

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I thought apt was just an abrieviated = form of=20 aptitude, but that really both were pretty much exactly the same. I = won't tell=20 yall who told me this back in the days, as he'd mutelate me if I did, = but unless=20 I misunderstood him, which is possible... sigh... I'm so = confused!
 
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[74.194.137.49]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v39sm1579300otf.67.2017.10.31.23.27.55 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 31 Oct 2017 23:27:55 -0700 (PDT) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <2D25F206E0D647B68427E84F28E8DB5C@mygateway> From: Christopher Chaltain Message-ID: <0f24e14d-de0c-1072-80bd-ac13017743bc@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 01:27:55 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2D25F206E0D647B68427E84F28E8DB5C@mygateway> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------A43209B3586987D5C490D26E" Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] Perhaps I misunderstood: Differences in apt, vs. aptitude X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2017 06:28:18 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A43209B3586987D5C490D26E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've always just used apt, but here's an article talking about the differences https://www.tecmint.com/difference-between-apt-and-aptitude/ On 10/31/2017 08:53 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > I thought apt was just an abrieviated form of aptitude, but that > really both were pretty much exactly the same. I won't tell yall who > told me this back in the days, as he'd mutelate me if I did, but > unless I misunderstood him, which is possible... sigh... I'm so confused! > Chris. > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org -- Christopher (CJ) Chaltain at Gmail --------------A43209B3586987D5C490D26E Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

I've always just used apt, but here's an article talking about the differences https://www.tecmint.com/difference-between-apt-and-aptitude/


On 10/31/2017 08:53 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
I thought apt was just an abrieviated form of aptitude, but that really both were pretty much exactly the same. I won't tell yall who told me this back in the days, as he'd mutelate me if I did, but unless I misunderstood him, which is possible... sigh... I'm so confused!
 
Chris.


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X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2017 08:31:45 -0000 --001a114425ae3980fd055ce7b23a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, When booting an installed system you are supposed to get boot messages displayed on the screen in a text mode until graphical login screen is shown. If you have your system to start with graphical UI. If not then text mode login prompt should get displayed. Espeakup should also be started in that case. If you are on a laptop having multimedia keys have you tried to play with the volume control keys to discover if the speakers are not muted inadvertently. Do you have a bit of sight so you have discovered you can only see numbers or some text messages displayed on the screen. I am thinking I'll going to also try installing debian testing as I feel it's extremely important to help you make the most of your system as we don't like to contribute to somewhat negative review at cool blind tech :-) . Other systems you can try include Fedora which starts up with graphical UI and you can press alt+super+s to start orca and archlinux by booting talking arch image. There is an excelent audio walk through created by Kyle on how you might install arch linux if you like to take that route... https://talkingarch.tk/tutorials.php Oh yeah, Chris you are awesome, helping you as best as you can after you have rejoined here just a week or two ago. Excelent! And thanks for your time. Greetings Peter 2017-10-31 23:57 GMT+01:00 Armando Maldonado < armando.maldonado0767@gmail.com>: > Hello, Installing the OS is not the issue. I did that no problems, it=E2= =80=99s > once done and I rebooted, I get a bunch of jarggin numbers, and nothing i= s > being read to me on screen on Lenovo edge e520, i386. Thanks. > > Armando > > > > *From:* orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] *On Behalf Of *Chr= istopher-Mark > Gilland > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 31, 2017 3:38 PM > *To:* orca-list@gnome.org > *Subject:* Re: [orca-list] Other best distros that are useable wit Orca? > > > > You say nothing spoke. > > > > Did you try the steps which were outlined earlier by booting to the image= , > hitting s, then enter to install with screen reader support? > > > > What type hardware are you installing on, and don't just say a laptop. I > mean, what make/model, what architect is it, like I386, AMD, AMDX86, etc. > > > > I just tried booting over here from the net image, which was suggested > earlier to you to try, and though I didn't complete the install, as I > really don't want it, I was! able to get speech up and talking after > booting, hitting S, enter, then waiting for a second or two. > > > > Where are you downloading the image, and exactly on the page which you'll > give us the link to, what exactly from the very beginning to the end link= s > are you clicking to start the download? This way we can be totally totall= y > sure you're downloading the correct ISO. > > > > Also, are you sure your bios/UEFI is properly set in the boot order to > boot to CD, USB, then hard drive? If your hard drive is first in the boot > sequence, then you'll never get the media booted, most likely... not unle= ss > your PC has a boot menu, and you know how to get into it. And even then, > it's dicy. > > --- > Christopher Gilland > Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries > > > > http://www.gshministry.org > (980) 500-9575 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Armando Maldonado > > *To:* orca-list@gnome.org > > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 31, 2017 5:03 PM > > *Subject:* [orca-list] Other best distros that are useable wit Orca? > > > > Hello, I tried Linux debian with no success. I installed and well, sadly > it does not read anything. So, what are other good alternatives that are > useable and will not give me complicated issues when it comes to installi= ng > programs like teamTalk? I=E2=80=99ve messed with Vinux and Ubuntu and hav= e no > success. Thanks. > > Armando > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/ > gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/ > gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > --001a114425ae3980fd055ce7b23a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,
When booting= an installed system you are supposed to get boot messages displayed on the= screen in a text mode until graphical login screen is shown. If you have y= our system to start with graphical UI. If not then text mode login prompt s= hould get displayed. Espeakup should also be started in that case. If you a= re on a laptop having multimedia keys have you tried to play with the volum= e control keys to discover if the speakers are not muted inadvertently.
=
Do you have a bit of sight so you have discovered you can only see nu= mbers or some text=C2=A0 messages displayed on the screen.
I am th= inking I'll going to also try installing debian testing as I feel it= 9;s extremely important to help you make the most of your system as we don&= #39;t like to contribute to somewhat negative review at cool blind tech :-)= .

Other systems you can try include Fedora which starts up wi= th graphical UI and you can press alt+super+s to start orca and archlinux b= y booting talking arch image. There is an excelent audio walk through creat= ed by Kyle on how you might install arch linux if you like to take that rou= te... https://talkingarch.= tk/tutorials.php


Oh yeah, Chris you are awe= some, helping you as best as you can after you have rejoined here just a we= ek or two ago. Excelent! And thanks for your time.

Greetings

Peter


<= div class=3D"gmail_quote">2017-10-31 23:57 GMT+01:00 Armando Maldonado <armando.maldonado0767@gmail.com>:

Hello, Installing the OS is not the= issue. I did that no problems, it=E2=80=99s once done and I rebooted, I ge= t a bunch of jarggin numbers, and nothing is being read to me on screen on = Lenovo edge e520, i386. Thanks.

Armando

=C2=A0

From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] On Behalf Of Ch= ristopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 3:38 PMTo: orca-l= ist@gnome.org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Other best distros tha= t are useable wit Orca?

=C2=A0

You say nothing spoke.<= /u>

=C2=A0

Did you tr= y the steps which were outlined earlier by booting to the image, hitting s,= then enter to install with screen reader support?

= =C2=A0

What type hardware are you installing on, and don't just say a laptop.= I mean, what make/model, what architect is it, like I386, AMD, AMDX86, etc= .

=C2=A0

I just tried booting over here from the net image= , which was suggested earlier to you to try, and though I didn't comple= te the install, as I really don't want it, I was! able to get speech up= and talking after booting, hitting S, enter, then waiting for a second or = two.

=C2=A0

Where are you downloading the image, and exactl= y on the page which you'll give us the link to, what exactly from the v= ery beginning to the end links are you clicking to start the download? This= way we can be totally totally sure you're downloading the correct ISO.=

=C2=A0

Also, are you sure your bios/UEFI is properly set= in the boot order to boot to CD, USB, then hard drive? If your hard drive = is first in the boot sequence, then you'll never get the media booted, = most likely... not unless your PC has a boot menu, and you know how to get = into it. And even then, it's dicy.=

---
Christo= pher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

=C2=A0=

----- Original Message ----- <= /span>

Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 5:03 PM<= u>

Subject: [orca-list] Other best distros that are useable wit Or= ca?

=C2=A0

Hello, I t= ried Linux debian with no success. I installed and well, sadly it does not = read anything. So, what are other good alternatives that are useable and wi= ll not give me complicated issues when it comes to installing programs like= teamTalk? I=E2=80=99ve messed with Vinux and Ubuntu and have no success. T= hanks.

Armando

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GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.o= rg/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
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--001a114425ae3980fd055ce7b23a-- From pvdeejay@gmail.com Wed Nov 1 09:54:32 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19CC276C17 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2017 09:54:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.887 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.887 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HY-qNUKsRXe0 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2017 09:54:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f48.google.com (mail-wm0-f48.google.com [74.125.82.48]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E373276503 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2017 09:54:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-f48.google.com with SMTP id n74so15900660wmi.1 for ; Wed, 01 Nov 2017 02:54:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=HnN78J4D+S/SeZePDn5BZdYkcNKXdUHdg3ECg6Kteso=; b=muvfgmvC9V2JGDKPI1hdVRio2Jg4Z65WrDfL/msMcHpbwNL3FtiZsZHNAYA03XBHEQ 3qLxtNYXgigAr4M079L59CNQIC5WBaI/C5W8Tlml3DNpbwykiZWRHbuXqMVsQGBJdrzG v3KAcBXIoBpAg0SiJNBNnD0EYAcjfZaG+l/t/j8ZxRDeCPv0BFaNA442amnoomhKnx4d M54dLRLWhqr0UPWxXbDhYJQzaDm1AYY8DI5B4f3UnJZpVcQS6RB1SXVuSlC9l2nZ0WPe hIbdhCf5uiT5F06OKICXU8U7aOQyVWWLvIQoHpRgyLbuQE32xyc8uvjrIc6VsrbFCxHT kOYA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=HnN78J4D+S/SeZePDn5BZdYkcNKXdUHdg3ECg6Kteso=; b=ZZSz4+qXSkYx6zbYHdVHky3MtZSCojv+r09BM0W6jUyfUY/rskYmNPrNhDlbXJTDN5 eFvXSmBbCrRYFpvfFYKJuPYx5eErpg02trQIEHdLQr6d7c37BNHBd9TT57HRmKQW8GB1 9/7mOfBUgG9Y1d89Z3gt3E6LSPOIztwKc/w3WnLxiVTSyauouPGd3MMEY2S89GGrXBPI 7oXzyxobUNCmhh8zmoRMCFPeoEJsPFTofSaXxRO0RvgbG4r6hBTUi4dZU0NgKG7m1MhJ xvTSP505PopwUjwAwXOj0l23LPbsuLUsxZeJYJMGPnuTxe/HeDbHRW8cjWfY8Xh4Qoik wqhQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaW/wXsNQ1E0IUMwAZMYBVgdJ+wdcxyEB9pLqfXajUlnQYEpLah8 6UTGInhDl3E3Z4ZR+VzyJjj4APZaXJ/hWedZDjI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+ThZr+23YbrS8+bXbpvAJaMqVtRtAwitwiRK1YKNu7PZXx4NZO1hdkB6W0goxI5k/E0NUA7gGiFZM4tHQQ2dKg= X-Received: by 10.28.178.205 with SMTP id b196mr4102217wmf.103.1509530046805; Wed, 01 Nov 2017 02:54:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.49.6 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Nov 2017 02:54:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <59f494e1.4703240a.9732b.54cf@mx.google.com> <60C28B734075430E8AC3A868EAF1C31B@mygateway> <3c9ab65b-7f96-bde0-2ae7-b5c2d493100e@riseup.net> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=C3=A1gner?= Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 10:54:05 +0100 Message-ID: To: Werwoelfchen , Mike Gorse Cc: orca-list Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="001a114425ae37e32e055ce8dad0" Subject: Re: [orca-list] Sometimes no speech or braille after login in Mate 1.12.1 with Orca 3.26.0 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2017 09:54:32 -0000 --001a114425ae37e32e055ce8dad0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a114425ae37e329055ce8dace" --001a114425ae37e329055ce8dace Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I have managed to capture back trace from one of these coredumps. I don't yet have a suitable debug symbols so I need to read more on this. Still can you please try looking at this if it might be somewhat usefull? What packages except of python do I need to install a debug symbols for to be able to provide more relevant details? Greetings Peter 2017-10-30 13:44 GMT+01:00 Peter V=C3=A1gner : > Hello, > > I have noticed what I think might be similar to what you are seeing. > Orca sometimes exits randomly for me. It might be happening when closing = a > window, when something changes and similar. > Most frequently it is happening here when sending out emails in the gmail > running in Firefox or when closing gedit window. > I don't yet have an orca debug log for this situation so I am not really > sure what is really going on. This is only guessing game on my part. > > Greetings > > Peter > > > 2017-10-30 11:50 GMT+01:00 Werwoelfchen via orca-list >: > >> Hi, >> >> sometimes there is no speech or braille in the run dialogue ater login i= n >> Mate 1.12.1 in Ubuntu 16.04 with Orca 3.26.0. What is the reason for thi= s? >> >> Greetings, >> Wolfram >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/g >> nome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> > > --001a114425ae37e329055ce8dace Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,

I have manage= d to capture back trace from one of these coredumps. I don't yet have a= suitable debug symbols so I need to read more on this.
Still can = you please try looking at this if it might be somewhat usefull?
Wh= at packages except of python do I need to install a debug symbols for to be= able to provide more relevant details?

Greetings

Peter



2017-10-30 13:44 GMT+01:00 Peter V= =C3=A1gner <pvdeejay@gmail.com>:
Hello,

= I have noticed what I think might be similar to what you are seeing.
Orca sometimes exits randomly for me. It might be happening when closing= a window, when something changes and similar.
Most frequently it = is happening here when sending out emails in the gmail running in Firefox o= r when closing gedit window.
I don't yet have an orca debug lo= g for this situation so I am not really sure what is really going on. This = is only guessing game on my part.

Greetings

Peter


2017-10-30 11:50 GMT+01:00 Werwoelfchen via orca-list <orca-lis= t@gnome.org>:
Hi,

sometimes there is no speech or braille in the run dialogue ater login in M= ate 1.12.1 in Ubuntu 16.04 with Orca 3.26.0. What is the reason for this?
Greetings,
Wolfram
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for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2017 11:35:54 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n9_ZMF9GPGaf for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2017 11:35:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 304 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at restaurant.gnome.org; Wed, 01 Nov 2017 11:35:23 UTC Received: from omr-m019e.mx.aol.com (omr-m019e.mx.aol.com [204.29.186.18]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5A97E76C18 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2017 11:35:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mtaout-laa02.mx.aol.com (mtaout-laa02.mx.aol.com [172.27.2.98]) by omr-m019e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 6549B38000AC; Wed, 1 Nov 2017 07:30:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (0x5b3139322e3136382e312e365d [71.174.186.82]) by mtaout-laa02.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPA id 7A77F3800008A; Wed, 1 Nov 2017 07:30:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Al Sten-Clanton To: Christopher Chaltain , orca-list@gnome.org References: <2D25F206E0D647B68427E84F28E8DB5C@mygateway> <0f24e14d-de0c-1072-80bd-ac13017743bc@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4d4f6264-471c-99bc-17d8-ddf2f8bf78d7@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 07:30:14 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0f24e14d-de0c-1072-80bd-ac13017743bc@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1b026259f9b04753cd X-AOL-IP: 71.174.186.82 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Perhaps I misunderstood: Differences in apt, vs. aptitude X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2017 11:35:54 -0000 I just read that article and found it useful. Although it seems to portray aptitude is all-around better than apt-get, section 4.4 of the release notes for stretch begins with this: The recommended way to upgrade from previous Debian releases is to use the package management tool apt-get. In previous releases, aptitude was recommended for this purpose, but recent versions of apt-get provide equivalent functionality and also have proven to more consistently give the desired upgrade results. I've used apt, apt-get, and aptitude, depending on my mood or the size of my coffee mug. :-) And, I don't know if that's useful to know for anything other than straight Debian. Al On 11/01/2017 02:27 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > I've always just used apt, but here's an article talking about the > differences https://www.tecmint.com/difference-between-apt-and-aptitude/ > > > On 10/31/2017 08:53 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >> I thought apt was just an abrieviated form of aptitude, but that >> really both were pretty much exactly the same. I won't tell yall who >> told me this back in the days, as he'd mutelate me if I did, but >> unless I misunderstood him, which is possible... sigh... I'm so confused! >> Chris. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki:https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation:https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide:https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org > > -- > Christopher (CJ) > Chaltain at Gmail > > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > From dahunt@posteo.de Wed Nov 1 12:03:16 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CC8A76C1D for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2017 12:03:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0OlM8Q64F5Dt for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2017 12:02:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout02.posteo.de (mout02.posteo.de [185.67.36.66]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB72776C19 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2017 12:02:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2588120A08 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2017 13:02:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3yRn0J4MhmzyrG for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2017 13:02:40 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <2D25F206E0D647B68427E84F28E8DB5C@mygateway> <0f24e14d-de0c-1072-80bd-ac13017743bc@gmail.com> <4d4f6264-471c-99bc-17d8-ddf2f8bf78d7@verizon.net> From: Dave Hunt Message-ID: <59F9B7DE.3090706@posteo.de> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 08:02:38 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/38.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4d4f6264-471c-99bc-17d8-ddf2f8bf78d7@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Perhaps I misunderstood: Differences in apt, vs. aptitude X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2017 12:03:16 -0000 LOL! 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[74.194.137.49]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v21sm172975ote.49.2017.11.01.05.31.41 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 01 Nov 2017 05:31:41 -0700 (PDT) To: Al Sten-Clanton , orca-list@gnome.org References: <2D25F206E0D647B68427E84F28E8DB5C@mygateway> <0f24e14d-de0c-1072-80bd-ac13017743bc@gmail.com> <4d4f6264-471c-99bc-17d8-ddf2f8bf78d7@verizon.net> From: Christopher Chaltain Message-ID: <51a1350b-f737-3ac3-f29a-40f62c18119c@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 07:31:40 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4d4f6264-471c-99bc-17d8-ddf2f8bf78d7@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] Perhaps I misunderstood: Differences in apt, vs. aptitude X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2017 12:32:05 -0000 As with most things, if you Google around you'll find proponents of apt-get and proponents of aptitude. Like I said, I just use apt-get mostly because that was what I was shown when I first starting using Ubuntu. I mostly just picked that link because it seemed to be the easiest to read. On 11/01/2017 06:30 AM, Al Sten-Clanton wrote: > I just read that article and found it useful.  Although it seems to > portray aptitude is all-around better than apt-get, section 4.4 of the > release notes for stretch begins with this: > >  The recommended way to upgrade from previous Debian releases is to > use the package management tool apt-get. In previous releases, > aptitude was recommended for this purpose, but recent versions of > apt-get provide equivalent functionality and also have proven to more > consistently give the desired upgrade results. > > I've used apt, apt-get, and aptitude, depending on my mood or the size > of my coffee mug. :-) > > And, I don't know if that's useful to know for anything other than > straight Debian. > > Al > > On 11/01/2017 02:27 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: >> I've always just used apt, but here's an article talking about the >> differences https://www.tecmint.com/difference-between-apt-and-aptitude/ >> >> >> On 10/31/2017 08:53 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >>> I thought apt was just an abrieviated form of aptitude, but that >>> really both were pretty much exactly the same. I won't tell yall who >>> told me this back in the days, as he'd mutelate me if I did, but >>> unless I misunderstood him, which is possible... sigh... I'm so >>> confused! >>> Chris. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki:https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation:https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access >>> guide:https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >> >> -- >> Christopher (CJ) >> Chaltain at Gmail >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> -- Christopher (CJ) Chaltain at Gmail From jdashiel@panix.com Wed Nov 1 12:41:26 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF68876C17 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2017 12:41:26 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nEu6pteFw6sT for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2017 12:40:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DEA7E764A4 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2017 12:40:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from panix1.panix.com (panix1.panix.com [166.84.1.1]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FB8412827; Wed, 1 Nov 2017 08:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by panix1.panix.com (Postfix, from userid 20712) id 5D4A214B9D; Wed, 1 Nov 2017 08:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by panix1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5912914B98; Wed, 1 Nov 2017 08:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 08:40:53 -0400 From: Jude DaShiell To: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Peter_V=E1gner?= , Armando Maldonado cc: orca-list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <000001d3528b$b35525b0$19ff7110$@gmail.com> <4D2AEF4293BB4612BDC44E7C0DD427AB@mygateway> <000f01d3529b$aba45b00$02ed1100$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0379686207934652477==" Subject: Re: [orca-list] Other best distros that are useable wit Orca? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2017 12:41:26 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --===============0379686207934652477== Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII What kind of luck have users had installing F123? That's supposed to be an earlier Antergos competitor. On Wed, 1 Nov 2017, Peter V?gner wrote: > Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 04:31:20 > From: Peter V?gner > To: Armando Maldonado > Cc: orca-list > Subject: Re: [orca-list] Other best distros that are useable wit Orca? > > Hello, > When booting an installed system you are supposed to get boot messages > displayed on the screen in a text mode until graphical login screen is > shown. If you have your system to start with graphical UI. If not then text > mode login prompt should get displayed. Espeakup should also be started in > that case. If you are on a laptop having multimedia keys have you tried to > play with the volume control keys to discover if the speakers are not muted > inadvertently. > Do you have a bit of sight so you have discovered you can only see numbers > or some text messages displayed on the screen. > I am thinking I'll going to also try installing debian testing as I feel > it's extremely important to help you make the most of your system as we > don't like to contribute to somewhat negative review at cool blind tech :-) > . > > Other systems you can try include Fedora which starts up with graphical UI > and you can press alt+super+s to start orca and archlinux by booting > talking arch image. There is an excelent audio walk through created by Kyle > on how you might install arch linux if you like to take that route... > https://talkingarch.tk/tutorials.php > > > Oh yeah, Chris you are awesome, helping you as best as you can after you > have rejoined here just a week or two ago. Excelent! And thanks for your > time. > > Greetings > > Peter > > > 2017-10-31 23:57 GMT+01:00 Armando Maldonado < > armando.maldonado0767@gmail.com>: > >> Hello, Installing the OS is not the issue. I did that no problems, it?s >> once done and I rebooted, I get a bunch of jarggin numbers, and nothing is >> being read to me on screen on Lenovo edge e520, i386. Thanks. >> >> Armando >> >> >> >> *From:* orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] *On Behalf Of *Christopher-Mark >> Gilland >> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 31, 2017 3:38 PM >> *To:* orca-list@gnome.org >> *Subject:* Re: [orca-list] Other best distros that are useable wit Orca? >> >> >> >> You say nothing spoke. >> >> >> >> Did you try the steps which were outlined earlier by booting to the image, >> hitting s, then enter to install with screen reader support? >> >> >> >> What type hardware are you installing on, and don't just say a laptop. I >> mean, what make/model, what architect is it, like I386, AMD, AMDX86, etc. >> >> >> >> I just tried booting over here from the net image, which was suggested >> earlier to you to try, and though I didn't complete the install, as I >> really don't want it, I was! able to get speech up and talking after >> booting, hitting S, enter, then waiting for a second or two. >> >> >> >> Where are you downloading the image, and exactly on the page which you'll >> give us the link to, what exactly from the very beginning to the end links >> are you clicking to start the download? This way we can be totally totally >> sure you're downloading the correct ISO. >> >> >> >> Also, are you sure your bios/UEFI is properly set in the boot order to >> boot to CD, USB, then hard drive? If your hard drive is first in the boot >> sequence, then you'll never get the media booted, most likely... not unless >> your PC has a boot menu, and you know how to get into it. And even then, >> it's dicy. >> >> --- >> Christopher Gilland >> Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries >> >> >> >> http://www.gshministry.org >> (980) 500-9575 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> *From:* Armando Maldonado >> >> *To:* orca-list@gnome.org >> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 31, 2017 5:03 PM >> >> *Subject:* [orca-list] Other best distros that are useable wit Orca? >> >> >> >> Hello, I tried Linux debian with no success. I installed and well, sadly >> it does not read anything. So, what are other good alternatives that are >> useable and will not give me complicated issues when it comes to installing >> programs like teamTalk? I?ve messed with Vinux and Ubuntu and have no >> success. Thanks. >> >> Armando >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/ >> gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/ >> gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> > -- --===============0379686207934652477== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-ID: Content-Description: Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org --===============0379686207934652477==-- From pvdeejay@gmail.com Wed Nov 1 19:42:35 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E84E076C29 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2017 19:42:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.887 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.887 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZiQ5zMiuWGJA for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2017 19:42:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f44.google.com (mail-wm0-f44.google.com [74.125.82.44]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1EB95761E0 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2017 19:42:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-f44.google.com with SMTP id b189so6691176wmd.4 for ; Wed, 01 Nov 2017 12:42:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=K5n+4aC1TV8rMyqylqSbzuwfi89Iq/lzY+Ux+v9Pr78=; b=H/EmDeCzwFND33p6GE9tnlqu9G/gVAJdIPog37HtV9BgeBYEiYRlmQEgjdSn9XMWnD 8fDCJLRn9RCARtbtnwVwQjbjqlB/iEWnR8g0SQNLEf3G7HRVIyO8uzttlhczpDCuRqM9 mVQQ5umCpqKUM2ir17gutDf1hPeOd4ZjjVYJrMey6g2iU0n0g3PCMsN0uBroTgqNAz5U RoJLJHcsrvPAr3lw/F62sfYxK07BbmhpWiuH7cT0uxRbuBDwa3sI2pzTkg1CMq376jwE No05MJ31DyLWQRn5SGoWi8NUo2qob2dvBkzkeLcLevjQfLIHQrgan6B0oWpehIE+Ulk4 3ouA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=K5n+4aC1TV8rMyqylqSbzuwfi89Iq/lzY+Ux+v9Pr78=; b=Ox5xnonHI/bMu+pCLvsO5ssyk3O/r5s/uJAgIS+lAkbZ8vRegRe+CrePdjToSXkyLS n7CUaARa5SFPvnO/hmBLoWiihzF1cGtIAcZ9HIRxbw/uVIopl7+qoAgKhALG7I+5jnZE Uyvoz2Ov6Do/Kj0e7H8fkRPvPDwTgnt3NIXnvTZNQbJU6eKrT7pLhGz0g1F1XL1hoiGa HJXxz/d/tux4G3MZFCxXqT4d0xFjwJ0ov0h/6+Va0IjUp7Q1NeNBoPfxX81dDnJ7SoSO FzMEp21fIoKNZyugt9dY1tyH1XHizG+RaZtxpcut8sOnjPWgu23ccqPisJZxGAFNj1XN KEDg== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaUJskcPaTh4YGXpJ4wfKbFePufFdF0cdzOMmpWuiJxCsdKfCryK Wtqp83leQMWauyoIOKAd2MuUyWRrxx1G7FFqRiU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+QPJTSRyvM5Lxz3RSV4EUsaEeWP35xETrIPktTO2/gv8Jj6uyUNVD2L1ztIb/nG52kTkqRnKlwlvgxCwlQ9w/4= X-Received: by 10.28.54.154 with SMTP id y26mr1126816wmh.15.1509565331958; Wed, 01 Nov 2017 12:42:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.49.6 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Nov 2017 12:42:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <9c11edcb-752b-48ff-c050-882e8c78ccf1@slint.fr> <311eec69-cd84-d7eb-c022-3ff7dab7f968@slint.fr> <34bd49e3-7aa3-986c-a3fd-2f53aa655eee@slint.fr> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=C3=A1gner?= Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 20:42:11 +0100 Message-ID: To: Didier Spaier Cc: orca-list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a114306e0606ebe055cf11179" Subject: Re: [orca-list] speechd-el vs emacspeak. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2017 19:42:36 -0000 --001a114306e0606ebe055cf11179 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I was under an impression this discussion is complete however today while reading some old list archives I have came accross an older posting by Milan Zamazal (speechd-el main developer) which I think is still very informative even today. So if you are still wondering about emacspeak vs speechd-el differences and you are interested in a bit of technical background, please have a look here: https://www.cs.vassar.edu/~priestdo/emacspeak/list.archive.2006/msg00026.ht= ml Greetings Peter 2017-10-23 11:43 GMT+02:00 Didier Spaier : > Le 21/10/2017 =C3=A0 15:18, Didier Spaier a =C3=A9crit : > > On the web, I see that some people /run/user/somedir but we don't have > > a /run directory. I could just use /tmp/user/somedir or ~/.cache/somedi= r > > as seems to do at-spi (but it doen't remove that after a reboot, which > > is annoying). > > I stand corrected: indeed we have a /run directory but only in a running > system as it is a tmpfs. > > But as it's owned by root we'll use /dev/shm instead that we can > populate as regular user, see this post for a follow-up: > https://mail.gnome.org/archives/orca-list/2017-October/msg00318.html > > Greetings, > > Didier > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/ > gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > --001a114306e0606ebe055cf11179 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,

I was under an imp= ression this discussion is complete however today while reading some old li= st archives I have came accross an older posting by Milan Zamazal (speechd-= el main developer) which I think is still very informative even today.
<= /div>So if you are still wondering about emacspeak vs speechd-el difference= s and you are interested in a bit of technical background, please have a lo= ok here: https://www.cs.vassar.edu/~priestdo/emacspeak/list.= archive.2006/msg00026.html

Greetings

Peter

2017-10-23= 11:43 GMT+02:00 Didier Spaier <didier@slint.fr>:
Le 21/10/2017 =C3=A0 15:18, Didier S= paier a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
> On the web, I see that some people /run/user/somedir but we don't = have
> a /run directory. I could just use /tmp/user/somedir or ~/.cache/somed= ir
> as seems to do at-spi (but it doen't remove that after a reboot, w= hich
> is annoying).

I stand corrected: indeed we have a /run directory but only in a run= ning
system as it is a tmpfs.

But as it's owned by root we'll use /dev/shm instead that we can populate as regular user, see this post for a follow-up:
https://mail.gnome.org/arch= ives/orca-list/2017-October/msg00318.html

Greetings,

Didier
_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list@gnome.org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-l= ist
Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/= stable/
GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.g= nome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
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--001a114306e0606ebe055cf11179-- From nimerjaber1@gmail.com Thu Nov 2 01:44:38 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED4DB762A8 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 01:44:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.637 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.637 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PMYx-PSbr59k for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 01:44:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f42.google.com (mail-wm0-f42.google.com [74.125.82.42]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9EBC076C17 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 01:44:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-f42.google.com with SMTP id r196so7888680wmf.2 for ; Wed, 01 Nov 2017 18:44:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=KnRY5ZbzuH37fG7RgtaVCOWsKVTLUaWiBeJgs1DfZzk=; b=gWL0+T2DoeL6j1jCs14VjrYUUybKkQ2e50HpRqKjhccSHn+ZBxcAa3+/s2djAcaiLx j+McFH79/1wIdl8MHZskEFPabqpF5m67of8eUzm1BwquDaH37HS5LoW6Dl/IuKCtYs2X x7spsT0UNMZl8QMKLiYBbLuI2LU5xZKGeYM8r2PbNECHQcFJLIBVu0iLhNKW5GGlhLVw xtHCREHVLhvy5EAHwhNGb041fm3VpPqn299CRfx3BdBSsZ4ojOGncA2COGkd2ynObGec 7uTWKqHWYT5w9VidEg+qIq6wf3ISrlfDLUw8Fz7CmWDkWnPhF4rWppXW/ePsBWKve0cL CjTg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=KnRY5ZbzuH37fG7RgtaVCOWsKVTLUaWiBeJgs1DfZzk=; b=U143kFlLym9xOMwgVIBmwpOvYRIAWANizsvfK2x9Zye+BeejbMcRDFvdAgDp04C5Qk B/EOvM+c+p3SSm4Ob75GowOQ6MVH54ehhT2PPGhh9rLiskiZrDk+8R5l+8cb2pBKxEvC H6aPdOaCF9FTksXo/5c3oNAeOcx0BbS4kuCYI6t22qahTSbB1BgrRbTg/IvwE7ylqofe /M3nDmfzJWT9jm4MJsfA5lL4I6eJxW9BmncYc77dWN8VdxFElJ64r1TUkMfDSzlY4QHC tovFzaDiIK5zhmLA0+YRwFsq0iW2fE3IwcLOg5fGGuzcspIDxge/kUrEMq4gNG7dxJ1N eOOg== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaUw4GhZAreLqfYBrwiIq44HKkBhHjOrO2pAjDmVo3lF0tIfOjUg U/dS4ZQ/L2z9a9wEX2rCUBmPiHzaztPHDVAgvkc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+RGBBahxrbT8g2DTLjgNMNeTTKN8AZO/CdpVhNe0xmrZGJ128fdD8NKKDsl55yucGRPNoySnTplT1nhzpd5Y2M= X-Received: by 10.28.74.86 with SMTP id x83mr201754wma.146.1509587054582; Wed, 01 Nov 2017 18:44:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <2D25F206E0D647B68427E84F28E8DB5C@mygateway> <0f24e14d-de0c-1072-80bd-ac13017743bc@gmail.com> <4d4f6264-471c-99bc-17d8-ddf2f8bf78d7@verizon.net> <51a1350b-f737-3ac3-f29a-40f62c18119c@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <51a1350b-f737-3ac3-f29a-40f62c18119c@gmail.com> From: Nimer Jaber Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2017 01:44:03 +0000 Message-ID: To: Christopher Chaltain Cc: Al Sten-Clanton , orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c073fc0256216055cf6206c" Subject: Re: [orca-list] Perhaps I misunderstood: Differences in apt, vs. aptitude X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2017 01:44:39 -0000 --94eb2c073fc0256216055cf6206c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I use dnf, previously yum. On Fedorah. Love that OS. On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 7:33 AM Christopher Chaltain wrote: > As with most things, if you Google around you'll find proponents of > apt-get and proponents of aptitude. Like I said, I just use apt-get > mostly because that was what I was shown when I first starting using > Ubuntu. I mostly just picked that link because it seemed to be the > easiest to read. > > > On 11/01/2017 06:30 AM, Al Sten-Clanton wrote: > > I just read that article and found it useful. Although it seems to > > portray aptitude is all-around better than apt-get, section 4.4 of the > > release notes for stretch begins with this: > > > > The recommended way to upgrade from previous Debian releases is to > > use the package management tool apt-get. In previous releases, > > aptitude was recommended for this purpose, but recent versions of > > apt-get provide equivalent functionality and also have proven to more > > consistently give the desired upgrade results. > > > > I've used apt, apt-get, and aptitude, depending on my mood or the size > > of my coffee mug. :-) > > > > And, I don't know if that's useful to know for anything other than > > straight Debian. > > > > Al > > > > On 11/01/2017 02:27 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > >> I've always just used apt, but here's an article talking about the > >> differences > https://www.tecmint.com/difference-between-apt-and-aptitude/ > >> > >> > >> On 10/31/2017 08:53 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > >>> I thought apt was just an abrieviated form of aptitude, but that > >>> really both were pretty much exactly the same. I won't tell yall who > >>> told me this back in the days, as he'd mutelate me if I did, but > >>> unless I misunderstood him, which is possible... sigh... I'm so > >>> confused! > >>> Chris. > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> orca-list mailing list > >>> orca-list@gnome.org > >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>> Orca wiki:https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > >>> Orca documentation:https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > >>> GNOME Universal Access > >>> guide:https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > >>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org > >> > >> -- > >> Christopher (CJ) > >> Chaltain at Gmail > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> orca-list mailing list > >> orca-list@gnome.org > >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > >> GNOME Universal Access guide: > >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > >> > > -- > Christopher (CJ) > Chaltain at Gmail > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org -- Cordially, Nimer Jaber My mission is to bring love and peace to everyone around me with all tools available to me. 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I use dnf, previously yum. On Fedorah. Love that OS.

On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at = 7:33 AM Christopher Chaltain <chal= tain@gmail.com> wrote:
As wi= th most things, if you Google around you'll find proponents of
apt-get and proponents of aptitude. Like I said, I just use apt-get
mostly because that was what I was shown when I first starting using
Ubuntu. I mostly just picked that link because it seemed to be the
easiest to read.


On 11/01/2017 06:30 AM, Al Sten-Clanton wrote:
> I just read that article and found it useful.=C2=A0 Although it seems = to
> portray aptitude is all-around better than apt-get, section 4.4 of the=
> release notes for stretch begins with this:
>
> =C2=A0The recommended way to upgrade from previous Debian releases is = to
> use the package management tool apt-get. In previous releases,
> aptitude was recommended for this purpose, but recent versions of
> apt-get provide equivalent functionality and also have proven to more<= br> > consistently give the desired upgrade results.
>
> I've used apt, apt-get, and aptitude, depending on my mood or the = size
> of my coffee mug. :-)
>
> And, I don't know if that's useful to know for anything other = than
> straight Debian.
>
> Al
>
> On 11/01/2017 02:27 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
>> I've always just used apt, but here's an article talking a= bout the
>> differences https://www.tecmint= .com/difference-between-apt-and-aptitude/
>>
>>
>> On 10/31/2017 08:53 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>> I thought apt was just an abrieviated form of aptitude, but th= at
>>> really both were pretty much exactly the same. I won't tel= l yall who
>>> told me this back in the days, as he'd mutelate me if I di= d, but
>>> unless I misunderstood him, which is possible... sigh... I'= ;m so
>>> confused!
>>> Chris.
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> orca-list mailing list
>>> orca-= list@gnome.org
>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinf= o/orca-list
>>> Orca wiki:https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca<= br> >>> Orca documentation:https://help.gnome.org/user= s/orca/stable/
>>> GNOME Universal Access
>>> guide:https://help.gnome.org/us= ers/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
>>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org<= br> >>
>> --
>> Christopher (CJ)
>> Chaltain at Gmail
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> orca-list mailing list
>> orca-list= @gnome.org
>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/o= rca-list
>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/o= rca/stable/
>> GNOME Universal Access guide:
>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-= help/stable/a11y.html
>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>

--
Christopher (CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail

_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list@gnome.or= g
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stabl= e/
GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.g= nome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
--
Cordially,

Nimer Jaber

My mission is = to bring love and peace to everyone around me with all tools available to m= e.
My core values are integrity, innovation, loyalty, excellence, and 10= 0% personal responsibility.

The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
address= ed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
please notif= y me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
correspondence. Acti= on taken as a result of this email or its contents
by anyone other than = the intended recipient(s) may result in civil or
criminal charges. I hav= e checked this email and all corresponding
attachments for security thre= ats. However, security of your machine is
up to you. Thanks.

Regi= stered Linux User 529141.
http://counter.li.org/

To find out about a free and versa= tile screen reader for windows XP
and above, please click here:
http://www.nvda-projec= t.org

You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest techn= ology news.

To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may ca= ll me at (218-606-0475) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly. T= hank
you, and have a great day!
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This time I do have all the debug symbols in place. This is with at-spi2-core 2.26.2. Can I provide something else to help tracking it? The back trace is leading to atspi/atspi-misc.c:968 and that is the only call to g_main_loop_run at the end of this method... void atspi_event_main (void) { atspi_main_loop =3D g_main_loop_new (NULL, FALSE); g_main_loop_run (atspi_main_loop); atspi_main_loop =3D NULL; } I imagine this is going to be difficult to fix. Greetings Peter 2017-11-01 10:54 GMT+01:00 Peter V=C3=A1gner : > Hello, > > I have managed to capture back trace from one of these coredumps. I don't > yet have a suitable debug symbols so I need to read more on this. > Still can you please try looking at this if it might be somewhat usefull? > What packages except of python do I need to install a debug symbols for t= o > be able to provide more relevant details? > > Greetings > > Peter > > > > 2017-10-30 13:44 GMT+01:00 Peter V=C3=A1gner : > >> Hello, >> >> I have noticed what I think might be similar to what you are seeing. >> Orca sometimes exits randomly for me. It might be happening when closing >> a window, when something changes and similar. >> Most frequently it is happening here when sending out emails in the gmai= l >> running in Firefox or when closing gedit window. >> I don't yet have an orca debug log for this situation so I am not really >> sure what is really going on. This is only guessing game on my part. >> >> Greetings >> >> Peter >> >> >> 2017-10-30 11:50 GMT+01:00 Werwoelfchen via orca-list < >> orca-list@gnome.org>: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> sometimes there is no speech or braille in the run dialogue ater login >>> in Mate 1.12.1 in Ubuntu 16.04 with Orca 3.26.0. What is the reason for >>> this? >>> >>> Greetings, >>> Wolfram >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/g >>> nome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> >> >> > --001a114425ae9e90f1055cfca9bd Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,
I've got= it again while doing a say all in firefox on gmail.
This time I d= o have all the debug symbols in place.
This is with at-spi2-core 2= .26.2.
Can I provide something else to help tracking it?

The back trace is leading to atspi/atspi-misc.c:968
and that = is the only call to g_main_loop_run at the end of this method...
= void
atspi_event_main (void)
{
=C2=A0 atspi_main_loop =3D g_main_l= oop_new (NULL, FALSE);
=C2=A0 g_main_loop_run (atspi_main_loop);
=C2= =A0 atspi_main_loop =3D NULL;
}

I imagine t= his is going to be difficult to fix.


Greetings

Peter


2017-11-01 10:54 GMT+01:00= Peter V=C3=A1gner <pvdeejay@gmail.com>:
Hello,

I have managed to capture back trace from one of these coredumps. I don&= #39;t yet have a suitable debug symbols so I need to read more on this.
=
Still can you please try looking at this if it might be somewhat usef= ull?
What packages except of python do I need to install a debug s= ymbols for to be able to provide more relevant details?

Greeti= ngs

Peter



2017-10= -30 13:44 GMT+01:00 Peter V=C3=A1gner <pvdeejay@gmail.com>:=
Hello,

I have noticed what I think might be similar to = what you are seeing.
Orca sometimes exits randomly for me. It migh= t be happening when closing a window, when something changes and similar.
Most frequently it is happening here when sending out emails in the= gmail running in Firefox or when closing gedit window.
I don'= t yet have an orca debug log for this situation so I am not really sure wha= t is really going on. This is only guessing game on my part.

G= reetings

= Peter


2017-10-30 11:50 GMT+01:00= Werwoelfchen via orca-list <orca-list@gnome.org>:
Hi,

sometimes there is no speech or braille in the run dialogue ater login in M= ate 1.12.1 in Ubuntu 16.04 with Orca 3.26.0. What is the reason for this?
Greetings,
Wolfram
_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list@gnome.or= g
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-l= ist
Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/= stable/
GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.g= nome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org



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So, what is it about Fedora that you like so much over, say Debian, or = Ubuntu, etc? Just am curious. --- Christopher Gilland Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministry.org (980) 500-9575 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nimer Jaber=20 To: Christopher Chaltain=20 Cc: orca-list@gnome.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2017 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [orca-list] Perhaps I misunderstood: Differences in apt, = vs. aptitude I use dnf, previously yum. On Fedorah. Love that OS. On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 7:33 AM Christopher Chaltain = wrote: As with most things, if you Google around you'll find proponents of apt-get and proponents of aptitude. Like I said, I just use apt-get mostly because that was what I was shown when I first starting using Ubuntu. I mostly just picked that link because it seemed to be the easiest to read. On 11/01/2017 06:30 AM, Al Sten-Clanton wrote: > I just read that article and found it useful. Although it seems = to > portray aptitude is all-around better than apt-get, section 4.4 of = the > release notes for stretch begins with this: > > The recommended way to upgrade from previous Debian releases is = to > use the package management tool apt-get. In previous releases, > aptitude was recommended for this purpose, but recent versions of > apt-get provide equivalent functionality and also have proven to = more > consistently give the desired upgrade results. > > I've used apt, apt-get, and aptitude, depending on my mood or the = size > of my coffee mug. :-) > > And, I don't know if that's useful to know for anything other than > straight Debian. > > Al > > On 11/01/2017 02:27 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: >> I've always just used apt, but here's an article talking about = the >> differences = https://www.tecmint.com/difference-between-apt-and-aptitude/ >> >> >> On 10/31/2017 08:53 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >>> I thought apt was just an abrieviated form of aptitude, but that >>> really both were pretty much exactly the same. I won't tell yall = who >>> told me this back in the days, as he'd mutelate me if I did, but >>> unless I misunderstood him, which is possible... sigh... I'm so >>> confused! >>> Chris. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki:https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation:https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access >>> guide:https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >> >> -- >> Christopher (CJ) >> Chaltain at Gmail >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> -- Christopher (CJ) Chaltain at Gmail _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ GNOME Universal Access guide: = https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org --=20 Cordially, Nimer Jaber My mission is to bring love and peace to everyone around me with all = tools available to me. 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Well howdy there, = stranger!
 
So, what is it about Fedora that you = like so much=20 over, say Debian, or Ubuntu, etc? Just am curious.
---
Christopher Gilland
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----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Nimer=20 Jaber
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, = 2017 9:44=20 PM
Subject: Re: [orca-list] = Perhaps I=20 misunderstood: Differences in apt, vs. aptitude

I use dnf, previously yum. On Fedorah. Love that=20 OS.

On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 7:33 AM Christopher Chaltain = <chaltain@gmail.com> = wrote:
As with most things, if you Google around you'll = find=20 proponents of
apt-get and proponents of aptitude. Like I said, I = just use=20 apt-get
mostly because that was what I was shown when I first = starting=20 using
Ubuntu. I mostly just picked that link because it seemed to = be=20 the
easiest to read.


On 11/01/2017 06:30 AM, Al = Sten-Clanton=20 wrote:
> I just read that article and found it useful.  = Although=20 it seems to
> portray aptitude is all-around better than = apt-get,=20 section 4.4 of the
> release notes for stretch begins with=20 this:
>
>  The recommended way to upgrade from = previous=20 Debian releases is to
> use the package management tool = apt-get. In=20 previous releases,
> aptitude was recommended for this = purpose, but=20 recent versions of
> apt-get provide equivalent functionality = and also=20 have proven to more
> consistently give the desired upgrade=20 results.
>
> I've used apt, apt-get, and aptitude, = depending on=20 my mood or the size
> of my coffee mug. :-)
>
> = And, I=20 don't know if that's useful to know for anything other than
> = straight=20 Debian.
>
> Al
>
> On 11/01/2017 02:27 AM,=20 Christopher Chaltain wrote:
>> I've always just used apt, = but=20 here's an article talking about the
>> differences https://www.tecmint.com/difference-between-apt-and-aptitu= de/
>>
>>
>>=20 On 10/31/2017 08:53 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland = wrote:
>>> I=20 thought apt was just an abrieviated form of aptitude, but=20 that
>>> really both were pretty much exactly the same. = I won't=20 tell yall who
>>> told me this back in the days, as he'd = mutelate me if I did, but
>>> unless I misunderstood = him, which=20 is possible... sigh... I'm so
>>> = confused!
>>>=20 Chris.
>>>
>>>
>>>=20 _______________________________________________
>>> = orca-list=20 mailing list
>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
= >>>=20 Orca wiki:https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
>>> = Orca=20 documentation:https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
>>= >=20 GNOME Universal Access
>>> guide:https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html<= /A>
>>>=20 Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>
>>=20 --
>> Christopher (CJ)
>> Chaltain at=20 Gmail
>>
>>
>>
>>=20 _______________________________________________
>> = orca-list=20 mailing list
>> orca-list@gnome.org
>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
= >>=20 Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
>> = Orca=20 documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
>>= =20 GNOME Universal Access guide:
>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html<= /A>
>>=20 Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>

--
Ch= ristopher=20 (CJ)
Chaltain at=20 = Gmail

_______________________________________________
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orca-list@gnome.org
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= Orca=20 wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
Orca=20 documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
GNOME=20 Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html<= /A>
Log=20 bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
--
Cordially,

Nimer Jaber

My mission is to = bring love=20 and peace to everyone around me with all tools available to me.
My = core=20 values are integrity, innovation, loyalty, excellence, and 100% = personal=20 responsibility.

The message above is intended for the recipient to whom = it=20 was
addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended=20 recipient,
please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies = of=20 this
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by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) may result = in civil=20 or
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attachments for security threats. However, security = of your=20 machine is
up to you. Thanks.

Registered Linux User = 529141.
http://counter.li.org/

To find out about a = free and=20 versatile screen reader for windows XP
and above, please click = here:
http://www.nvda-project.org

You can follow=20 @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news.

To = contact me,=20 you can reply to this email or you may call me at (218-606-0475) and I = will do=20 my best to respond to you promptly. Thank
you, and have a great=20 day!

_______________________________________________
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Log bugs = and=20 feature requests at = http://bugzilla.gnome.org ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01D353A6.CB672F10-- From didier@slint.fr Thu Nov 2 11:32:57 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0691776207 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 11:32:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.79 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.79 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c77AtpEwftPz for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 11:32:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.amendment.jabatus.fr (mail.amendment.jabatus.fr [109.234.163.92]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 29335764B2 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 11:32:15 +0000 (UTC) X-MailPropre-MailScanner-From: didier@slint.fr X-MailPropre-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.101, required 5, autolearn=disabled, DKIM_SIGNED 0.10, URIBL_BLOCKED 0.00) X-MailPropre-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailPropre-MailScanner-ID: 11AB666446B83.A453C X-MailPropre-MailScanner-Information: Message sortant - Serveurs o2switch DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=slint.fr; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:From:References:Cc:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=LO//clv7WDjM8658KllUrFLzeU1Bm+VUb75g2WCiXY4=; b=RZjFhi5kbApyy5PnfP7We/ReBq ghyZPa2JpACvBUYlxxUKn6M0xkFOQTQlaSiN7DuRevSNYz79ZV6GaXv5uKsJA8ctEaho6/h7PpCgB W0bwA29rHvPQN3kyrY/H3poGmk7EGBkeittcf4rVlIlpJbv5ndhF352AqXfw8/EuV730=; To: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=c3=a1gner?= Cc: orca-list References: <9c11edcb-752b-48ff-c050-882e8c78ccf1@slint.fr> <311eec69-cd84-d7eb-c022-3ff7dab7f968@slint.fr> <34bd49e3-7aa3-986c-a3fd-2f53aa655eee@slint.fr> From: Didier Spaier Message-ID: <9c0b6c4a-f24c-4797-986a-e08aae17dd83@slint.fr> Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 12:32:10 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - fox.o2switch.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - slint.fr X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: fox.o2switch.net: authenticated_id: didier@slint.fr X-Authenticated-Sender: fox.o2switch.net: didier@slint.fr X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [orca-list] speechd-el vs emacspeak. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2017 11:32:57 -0000 Hello, thanks for the post, even though I am far to be able to understand everything. Anyway I will whip both. If you have still Slint installed, you can install them with slap-get, and I have provided documentation in /usr/doc/package-, see README and or READM.Slint there. Greetings, Didier Le 01/11/2017 à 20:42, Peter Vágner a écrit : > Hello, > > I was under an impression this discussion is complete however today while > reading some old list archives I have came accross an older posting by > Milan Zamazal (speechd-el main developer) which I think is still very > informative even today. > So if you are still wondering about emacspeak vs speechd-el differences and > you are interested in a bit of technical background, please have a look > here: > https://www.cs.vassar.edu/~priestdo/emacspeak/list.archive.2006/msg00026.html > > Greetings > > Peter > > 2017-10-23 11:43 GMT+02:00 Didier Spaier : > >> Le 21/10/2017 à 15:18, Didier Spaier a écrit : >>> On the web, I see that some people /run/user/somedir but we don't have >>> a /run directory. I could just use /tmp/user/somedir or ~/.cache/somedir >>> as seems to do at-spi (but it doen't remove that after a reboot, which >>> is annoying). >> >> I stand corrected: indeed we have a /run directory but only in a running >> system as it is a tmpfs. >> >> But as it's owned by root we'll use /dev/shm instead that we can >> populate as regular user, see this post for a follow-up: >> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/orca-list/2017-October/msg00318.html >> >> Greetings, >> >> Didier >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/ >> gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> > From didier@slint.fr Thu Nov 2 14:05:39 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44C3F76306 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 14:05:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.79 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.79 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8g1R6UzMEecQ for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 14:04:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.camps.jabatus.fr (mail.camps.jabatus.fr [109.234.163.38]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C115761F7 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 14:04:57 +0000 (UTC) X-MailPropre-MailScanner-From: didier@slint.fr X-MailPropre-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.101, required 5, autolearn=disabled, DKIM_SIGNED 0.10, URIBL_BLOCKED 0.00) X-MailPropre-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailPropre-MailScanner-ID: AA1E66679D591.A7091 X-MailPropre-MailScanner-Information: Message sortant - Serveurs o2switch DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=slint.fr; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date: Message-ID:Cc:To:Subject:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description: Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID: In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=KBL7lOxEVolO+wLhvXx25YP66qvZJTtn0QnoiPX6Nu8=; b=DZgsig/q+GMUH28IqcEM0537vT 6kOwTSPMcBRu7r9SldK7YfB/ui5eDXc4WXP3bUsgc3r7bgzRgBwTyWoDqLl+4eZskTfgl6XHgIeNU vxdjgBBMDb8djZbnnMfdhmMHtnY2FqSvUqNU07tidZMUotUSfQckO11mglJILBfNzeNU=; From: Didier Spaier To: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=c3=a1gner?= , Samuel THIBAULT Cc: orca-list Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 15:04:52 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - fox.o2switch.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - slint.fr X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: fox.o2switch.net: authenticated_id: didier@slint.fr X-Authenticated-Sender: fox.o2switch.net: didier@slint.fr X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: [orca-list] Can't get Orca start in a graphical environment started X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2017 14:05:39 -0000 Hello, In Slint gdm speaks, but if I start a desktop session from there orca doesn't start in the desktop because the connection with at-spi2 through dbus is refused, possibly still owned by lightdm (but even when ps -ef |grep at-spi comes empty, as it is the case after: session-setup-script=pkill -u lightdm at-spi when trying to start I still get this answer: cut here didier[~]$ orca ** (orca:2219): WARNING **: Couldn't connect to accessibility bus: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-4zxEfROlmH: Connection refused ** (orca:2219): WARNING **: Couldn't connect to accessibility bus: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-4zxEfROlmH: Connection refused ** (orca:2219): ERROR **: AT-SPI: Couldn't connect to accessibility bus. Is at-spi-bus-launcher running? Trace/breakpoint trap didier[~]$ cut here Currently I have lightdm-1.18.3 and lightdm-gtk-greeter-2.0.3 but I have also tried lightdm-1.22.0. There is a similar issue mentioned in this thread: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/orca-list/2015-December/msg00012.html I have tried several things, to no avail, including the patch proposed by Samuel attached to this comment: https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm/+bug/1366534/comments/16 and also writing in lightdm.conf xserver-share=false I would be grateful to any pointers to "something that works" which can be based on any lightdm and lightdm-gtk-greeter versions, possibly with additional patches, wrapper or other scripts to call from lightdm.conf, including a properly set up lightdm.conf. Only restriction: we don't have systemd in Slint, but I doubt that come into play. And also to anything that could help a non-coder debugging. 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Does it change if you try running orca --replace instead? I am sorry for not trying out to duplicate your setup as I've originally intended. If you start lxde session this way is the desktop working? Do you know if other packages depending on dbus are working within such a session? I still don't have concrete solutions, I am just trying to think of possible ways on how to diagnose this. Thanks for not giving up and the patience with me Greetings Peter 2017-11-02 15:04 GMT+01:00 Didier Spaier : > Hello, > > In Slint gdm speaks, but if I start a desktop session from there orca > doesn't start in the desktop because the connection with at-spi2 through > dbus is refused, possibly still owned by lightdm (but even when > ps -ef |grep at-spi > comes empty, as it is the case after: > session-setup-script=pkill -u lightdm at-spi > when trying to start I still get this answer: > cut here > didier[~]$ orca > > ** (orca:2219): WARNING **: Couldn't connect to accessibility bus: Failed > to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-4zxEfROlmH: Connection refused > > ** (orca:2219): WARNING **: Couldn't connect to accessibility bus: Failed > to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-4zxEfROlmH: Connection refused > > ** (orca:2219): ERROR **: AT-SPI: Couldn't connect to accessibility bus. > Is at-spi-bus-launcher running? > Trace/breakpoint trap > didier[~]$ > cut here > > Currently I have lightdm-1.18.3 and lightdm-gtk-greeter-2.0.3 but I > have also tried lightdm-1.22.0. > > There is a similar issue mentioned in this thread: > https://mail.gnome.org/archives/orca-list/2015-December/msg00012.html > > I have tried several things, to no avail, including the patch proposed > by Samuel attached to this comment: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm/+bug/1366534/comments/16 > and also writing in lightdm.conf > xserver-share=false > > I would be grateful to any pointers to "something that works" which can > be based on any lightdm and lightdm-gtk-greeter versions, possibly with > additional patches, wrapper or other scripts to call from lightdm.conf, > including a properly set up lightdm.conf. > Only restriction: we don't have systemd in Slint, but I doubt that come > into play. > > And also to anything that could help a non-coder debugging. > > Greetings, > > Didier > > > > --001a11469c622657ae055d00a480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hel= lo,

Does the socket printed in that error message exist?
Does it change if you try running
orca --replace
inst= ead?
I am sorry for not trying out to duplicate your setup as I= 9;ve originally intended.
If you start lxde session this way is th= e desktop working?
Do you know if other packages depending on dbus= are working within such a session?

I still don't have con= crete solutions, I am just trying to think of possible ways on how to diagn= ose this.

Thanks for not giving up and the patience with me
Greetings

Peter

2017-11-02 15:04 GMT+01:00 Didier Spaier <di= dier@slint.fr>:
Hello,

In Slint gdm speaks, but if I start a desktop session from there orca
doesn't start in the desktop because the connection with at-spi2 throug= h
dbus is refused, possibly still owned by lightdm (but even when
ps -ef |grep at-spi
comes empty, as it is the case=C2=A0 after:
session-setup-script=3Dpkill -u lightdm at-spi
when trying to start I still get this answer:
cut here
didier[~]$ orca

** (orca:2219): WARNING **: Couldn't connect to accessibility bus: Fail= ed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-4zxEfROlmH: Connection refused

** (orca:2219): WARNING **: Couldn't connect to accessibility bus: Fail= ed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-4zxEfROlmH: Connection refused

** (orca:2219): ERROR **: AT-SPI: Couldn't connect to accessibility bus= . Is at-spi-bus-launcher running?
Trace/breakpoint trap
didier[~]$
cut here

Currently I have lightdm-1.18.3 and lightdm-gtk-greeter-2.0.3 but I
have also tried lightdm-1.22.0.

There is a similar issue mentioned in this thread:
https://mail.gnome.org/arc= hives/orca-list/2015-December/msg00012.html

I have tried several things, to no avail, including the patch proposed
by Samuel attached to this comment:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm/+= bug/1366534/comments/16
and also writing in lightdm.conf
xserver-share=3Dfalse

I would be grateful to any pointers to "something that works" whi= ch can
be based on any lightdm and lightdm-gtk-greeter versions, possibly with
additional patches, wrapper or other scripts to call from lightdm.conf,
including a properly set up lightdm.conf.
Only restriction: we don't have systemd in Slint, but I doubt that come=
into play.

And also to anything that could help a non-coder debugging.

Greetings,

Didier




--001a11469c622657ae055d00a480-- From samuel.thibault@ens-lyon.org Thu Nov 2 14:30:01 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3DD37621E for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 14:30:01 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.121 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.121 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id puftSegKKN7t for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 14:29:31 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 633 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at restaurant.gnome.org; Thu, 02 Nov 2017 14:29:30 UTC Received: from mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr (mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.83]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E361B761F7 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 14:29:30 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.44,334,1505772000"; d="scan'208";a="299027700" Received: from unknown (HELO var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr) ([193.50.110.193]) by mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/AES256-GCM-SHA384; 02 Nov 2017 15:18:53 +0100 Received: from samy by var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eAGKb-0001Oh-AG; Thu, 02 Nov 2017 15:18:53 +0100 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 15:18:53 +0100 From: Samuel Thibault To: Peter =?utf-8?Q?V=C3=A1gner?= Cc: Didier Spaier , orca-list Message-ID: <20171102141853.lqmxvux3n33hwccm@var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: Organization: I am not organized User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170113 (1.7.2) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Can't get Orca start in a graphical environment started X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2017 14:30:01 -0000 Peter Vágner, on jeu. 02 nov. 2017 15:16:58 +0100, wrote: > I still don't have concrete solutions, I am just trying to think of possible > ways on how to diagnose this. As Didier mentioned, the problem is that lightdm doesn't properly clean its at-spi2 session. Normally the workarounds I have posted to mailing lists and bugs should avoid the issue, but that depends on the exact version of lightdm etc. At any rate, the issue is in the lightdm session, not in the user session. Samuel From pvdeejay@gmail.com Thu Nov 2 15:23:10 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFCD27621E for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 15:23:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.887 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.887 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B55XZdiTAoxn for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 15:22:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wr0-f176.google.com (mail-wr0-f176.google.com [209.85.128.176]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E030C7623D for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 15:22:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wr0-f176.google.com with SMTP id l1so5373995wrc.3 for ; Thu, 02 Nov 2017 08:22:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=bICseqivPsqaGK/57eaXbUJVAngvohtX9T5v1LkJcYs=; b=NQgGIvHyChoFPvoPk8CnhpDzasfMDBAPuP9BQp30VDLA2IBE+65+pMZnZcbSm459bg BlUI13z2hwql3IJ266yYyr/j47NOsp9/10Qt7B/I3oRLn4S9/JypJnXEDqZ5mr7Q/mxH LygaIgDo1sOCpdkZRs4uvQLcgqg/wSUZ2fp8/jALiq6tJuZ+Gtx5qbT4PZp0n3wHecoE UD/hkfu7VDxZHmSRBRr/5TlxPapOdc/LqLYS2RJuTFvVoHH8kU/Pv7iKSr/KrcdPRa4Q naAd2ocpFh8tjb+fF8MeQ3bAxfUHBGeMp1Ob6Ae+6lLsPFuxbV4tj7CGQMIn//QESBPp VQSw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=bICseqivPsqaGK/57eaXbUJVAngvohtX9T5v1LkJcYs=; b=ju0jgNNRQGMwe/Fa4uFJTMC4akdzR0gakreF0ixYjQzfeSL6q7lsENGdSayzP2P1+6 74y52732I6UrC8emnQsH7Vc+b5m2dMYrpQEFvjkjVjlK5nnu2Iz7Q/Nt2LWy5TQGKwzi mRx7VTuyraM3JKQzXRsUwPFS4F6phqDYt97wBzn+LpGdT2qrM7I+JKQT+3DdAbGfnViG FLF2YoaE3UvVzc5+o7K3ypcpvM+b5dotpa4/4ny2En6edC8Ihp4uAumLrp8lmC6946FY /M5nlVoI0WxS6ce5DFAWFF1T13rwjj8aTfGBXgCZGK5y0BpP9Vm2gVtP1jM/0Gk24tU3 vakA== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaXGiD5Xa54bVukxV9xh+YD/5zPUjbdqU+9r1yhIZ4wF7wKlJBZn 1I+DqAW0QRY/gA18hZ2vh6exp1YdtdQvba4NPoY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+SkU/105rFk7X37Ofj6EGPNtZdZHZWpM8r8myTPWEi2z2SYVVyCXk9+MQ61uIvsiMRQLGwpwJaxApZmIYt4XCw= X-Received: by 10.223.162.152 with SMTP id s24mr3539263wra.173.1509636166890; Thu, 02 Nov 2017 08:22:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.49.6 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 08:22:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20171102141853.lqmxvux3n33hwccm@var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr> References: <20171102141853.lqmxvux3n33hwccm@var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=C3=A1gner?= Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 16:22:46 +0100 Message-ID: To: Samuel Thibault Cc: Didier Spaier , orca-list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f403045ea34277b94f055d018f8c" Subject: Re: [orca-list] Can't get Orca start in a graphical environment started X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2017 15:23:10 -0000 --f403045ea34277b94f055d018f8c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, when using GDM at-spi processes are still running even after the user session is created. It's why I have suggested that lightdm-gtk-greeter should not be starting and stopping at-spi. What is not getting cleaned properly then? Is display manager supposed to exit at-spi and why GDM is not doing it now? Thanks for joining in. Greetings Peter 2017-11-02 15:18 GMT+01:00 Samuel Thibault : > Peter V=C3=A1gner, on jeu. 02 nov. 2017 15:16:58 +0100, wrote: > > I still don't have concrete solutions, I am just trying to think of > possible > > ways on how to diagnose this. > > As Didier mentioned, the problem is that lightdm doesn't properly clean > its at-spi2 session. Normally the workarounds I have posted to mailing > lists and bugs should avoid the issue, but that depends on the exact > version of lightdm etc. > > At any rate, the issue is in the lightdm session, not in the user > session. > > Samuel > --f403045ea34277b94f055d018f8c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well, when using GDM at-spi proce= sses are still running even after the user session is created.
It&= #39;s why I have suggested that lightdm-gtk-greeter should not be starting = and stopping at-spi.
What is not getting cleaned properly then? Is= display manager supposed to exit at-spi and why GDM is not doing it now?
Thanks for joining in.

Greetings

Pete= r


20= 17-11-02 15:18 GMT+01:00 Samuel Thibault <samuel.thibault@ens-l= yon.org>:
= Peter V=C3=A1gner, on jeu. 02 nov. 2017 15:16:58 +0100, wrote:
> I still don't have concrete solutions, I am just trying to think o= f possible
> ways on how to diagnose this.

As Didier mentioned, the problem is that lightdm doesn't properl= y clean
its at-spi2 session.=C2=A0 Normally the workarounds I have posted to mailin= g
lists and bugs should avoid the issue, but that depends on the exact
version of lightdm etc.

At any rate, the issue is in the lightdm session, not in the user
session.

Samuel

--f403045ea34277b94f055d018f8c-- From SRS0=hrEg=CA=ens-lyon.org=Sebastien.Hinderer@bounce.ens-lyon.org Thu Nov 2 15:28:28 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BF3176249 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 15:28:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4oed4HUZ_VsZ for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 15:27:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 430 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at restaurant.gnome.org; Thu, 02 Nov 2017 15:27:57 UTC Received: from sonata.ens-lyon.org (sonata.ens-lyon.org [140.77.166.138]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 68FFA761F7 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 15:27:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sonata.ens-lyon.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 689FE200E4 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 16:20:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from sonata.ens-lyon.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (sonata.ens-lyon.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sIm25elivB8y for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 16:20:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from pema.homeunix.org (reverse-177-225.fdn.fr [80.67.177.225]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by sonata.ens-lyon.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 50F82200E1 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 16:20:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from seb by pema.homeunix.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eAHIR-0005II-Q0 for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 02 Nov 2017 16:20:43 +0100 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 16:20:43 +0100 From: =?utf-8?Q?Sh=C3=A9rab?= To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20171102152043.aeuru37ad3u36rjg@pema> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [orca-list] Troubles while approving GitHub pull requests in Firefox X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2017 15:28:28 -0000 Dear all, I am encountering difficulties whe trying to approve GitHub pull requests. On a pull request's page, select the Files tab. Then, it is not possible with Orca to see the "Review changes" button. More precisely, when searching for it with Orca 's search feature I am told by a sighted colleague that the button gets selected. However it is neither spoken nor shown in braille and the button is not accessible via tabbing either. It seems Orca gets confused by Aria labels. I'm happy to provide more information if this is required to solve this. Best wishes, Shérab. From samuel.thibault@ens-lyon.org Thu Nov 2 15:29:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B85E76C2E for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 15:29:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i3YqE7nRMHBS for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 15:28:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr (mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.83]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 61A8C76249 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 15:28:41 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.44,334,1505772000"; d="scan'208";a="299041747" Received: from unknown (HELO var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr) ([193.50.110.193]) by mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/AES256-GCM-SHA384; 02 Nov 2017 16:28:38 +0100 Received: from samy by var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eAHQ5-0007wr-Ts; Thu, 02 Nov 2017 16:28:37 +0100 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 16:28:37 +0100 From: Samuel Thibault To: Peter =?utf-8?Q?V=C3=A1gner?= Cc: Didier Spaier , orca-list Message-ID: <20171102152837.uilwm4cl3wg75kad@var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr> References: <20171102141853.lqmxvux3n33hwccm@var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: Organization: I am not organized User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170113 (1.7.2) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Can't get Orca start in a graphical environment started X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2017 15:29:13 -0000 Peter Vágner, on jeu. 02 nov. 2017 16:22:46 +0100, wrote: > It's why I have suggested that lightdm-gtk-greeter should not be starting and > stopping at-spi. It's supposed to, in order to properly stop it, precisely. Otherwise it gets automatically triggered by gdm3, and then nobody takes care of shutting it down. > What is not getting cleaned properly then? at-spi. > Is display manager supposed to exit at-spi and why GDM is not doing it > now? I don't know, that has to be investigated in your precise case of versions etc. Samuel From pvdeejay@gmail.com Thu Nov 2 15:44:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29D987623D for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 15:44:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.887 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.887 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sBapIXJzosHX for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 15:44:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f51.google.com (mail-wm0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FD16764B2 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 15:44:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-f51.google.com with SMTP id s66so11942850wmf.5 for ; Thu, 02 Nov 2017 08:44:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=O4LBz1xMRdzRkgfhs2ZC0Y/a85bR2OOj1s/+EZTBYRA=; b=MX5dXUib+Sn2PX0qFAMFHE3y9cWAHuuEX85KobtwoMW0qr/n4XyrZacdtgUwnrbdSm nGW5Y+K0TMHaQdmZl2eNBt9qnyX0pDc4hOfWRcgumiEzq9Rk9QfVLcfG6Ouf2s8HIULL ngY4/7RmeQmjTa5rJ00PoAscYokis6GYS795B5i6LtuTPDTwsQzaiNVbF7s7VNh11ZcI dx1y8Ml9i9CX5c7LiD3KVqq4zdIDuvvYD/YQ8hzDQ/FlhTJoSwWHrGmQRM6gBtnDpUT4 t5PJKgVHkrVrW62FacpM9GhzWb45+X0/EJTfUVO8pzmLNiHdfLx97utY2Dadh4ujN4I2 iTfA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=O4LBz1xMRdzRkgfhs2ZC0Y/a85bR2OOj1s/+EZTBYRA=; b=PImx83Acez8W4O7xP6ELdsGTd1DRRjKAElvCp2VmjzWCP56K1iu4eApUjy1Z/7guMd 7BgQjiD4onjrfq0TI2LLHuxaUOF5nQrkdTHUFbnsRvw8s1raPJppBsg8Vh4+C68sIjKZ lZtdZgEuW7tvtg/VsUJd7HJ8EIo1jN2qofRXsSOXfSAp77HPF140cqXWyinFpY7BOehu AnMXOY4uwyKAHoxhI2WZe8/3y/WOu2hHHw7GUjaRGrKEgNuMnzHIovfmY2lTRHty0gLJ sgcyuymhwOxGwjMBh1teRJeBFD1O4jFzb7NZ5/V5O3YVUURAtLu4mO3tuhrY3uT9X69v nYHQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaVoJ80B51eKd5qd1R4pEqg2NsBaOGx8Ug8BHKas9yF9ooTVsPtu Vn+DviJxqOqH/eGLNWsOvgxrwf16+Oy+QTKL5sE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+Tz+t9H3lnQrMbc6ea63+aKNvU5DakaSjitezBvDmGwjuvpzI6owV2xBJ/I9QNj49vajOUdH5bm1JrF/6zjfYo= X-Received: by 10.28.19.130 with SMTP id 124mr1962802wmt.108.1509637455812; Thu, 02 Nov 2017 08:44:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.49.6 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 08:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.28.49.6 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 08:44:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20171102152837.uilwm4cl3wg75kad@var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr> References: <20171102141853.lqmxvux3n33hwccm@var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr> <20171102152837.uilwm4cl3wg75kad@var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=C3=A1gner?= Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 16:44:14 +0100 Message-ID: To: Samuel Thibault Cc: Didier Spaier , orca-list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a11469c624b1e20055d01dcc7" Subject: Re: [orca-list] Can't get Orca start in a graphical environment started X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2017 15:44:40 -0000 --001a11469c624b1e20055d01dcc7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I.d say this is some missunderstanding. I'm using gnome since 3.6 and I have never seen gdm cleaning at-spi. It means at-spi is exited when gdm exits. I will really have to do some more experiments to better understand this but since gdm is not stopping at-spi, similar setup might be possible with lightdm. Greetings Peter D=C5=88a 2. 11. 2017 4:28 PM pou=C5=BE=C3=ADvate=C4=BE "Samuel Thibault" < samuel.thibault@ens-lyon.org> nap=C3=ADsal: > Peter V=C3=A1gner, on jeu. 02 nov. 2017 16:22:46 +0100, wrote: > > It's why I have suggested that lightdm-gtk-greeter should not be > starting and > > stopping at-spi. > > It's supposed to, in order to properly stop it, precisely. Otherwise > it gets automatically triggered by gdm3, and then nobody takes care of > shutting it down. > > > What is not getting cleaned properly then? > > at-spi. > > > Is display manager supposed to exit at-spi and why GDM is not doing it > > now? > > I don't know, that has to be investigated in your precise case of > versions etc. > > Samuel > --001a11469c624b1e20055d01dcc7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello,

I.d say this is some missunderstanding. I'm using gnome = since 3.6 and I have never seen gdm cleaning at-spi. It means at-spi is exi= ted when gdm exits.
I will really have to do some more experiments to better understand this bu= t since gdm is not stopping at-spi, similar setup might be possible with li= ghtdm.

Greetings

Peter


D=C5=88a 2. 11. 2= 017 4:28 PM pou=C5=BE=C3=ADvate=C4=BE "Samuel Thibault" <samuel.thibault@ens-lyon.org= > nap=C3=ADsal:
P= eter V=C3=A1gner, on jeu. 02 nov. 2017 16:22:46 +0100, wrote:
> It's why I have suggested that lightdm-gtk-greeter should not be s= tarting and
> stopping at-spi.

It's supposed to, in order to properly stop it, precisely. Otherwise it gets automatically triggered by gdm3, and then nobody takes care of
shutting it down.

> What is not getting cleaned properly then?

at-spi.

> Is display manager supposed to exit at-spi and why GDM is not doing it=
> now?

I don't know, that has to be investigated in your precise case of
versions etc.

Samuel
--001a11469c624b1e20055d01dcc7-- From jdashiel@panix.com Thu Nov 2 15:51:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2106764B5 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 15:51:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BOv8GNIuqHxY for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 15:50:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5F7BF761F7 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 15:50:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from panix1.panix.com (panix1.panix.com [166.84.1.1]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF150111CB; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 11:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by panix1.panix.com (Postfix, from userid 20712) id C34D914B9D; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 11:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by panix1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C002514B98; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 11:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 11:50:40 -0400 From: Jude DaShiell To: Didier Spaier , =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Peter_V=E1gner?= , Samuel THIBAULT cc: orca-list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [orca-list] Can't get Orca start in a graphical environment started X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2017 15:51:14 -0000 Could it be lightdm and gdm conflict with respect to screen reader accessibility? On Thu, 2 Nov 2017, Didier Spaier wrote: > Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 10:04:52 > From: Didier Spaier > To: Peter V?gner , > Samuel THIBAULT > Cc: orca-list > Subject: [orca-list] Can't get Orca start in a graphical environment started > > Hello, > > In Slint gdm speaks, but if I start a desktop session from there orca > doesn't start in the desktop because the connection with at-spi2 through > dbus is refused, possibly still owned by lightdm (but even when > ps -ef |grep at-spi > comes empty, as it is the case after: > session-setup-script=pkill -u lightdm at-spi > when trying to start I still get this answer: > cut here > didier[~]$ orca > > ** (orca:2219): WARNING **: Couldn't connect to accessibility bus: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-4zxEfROlmH: Connection refused > > ** (orca:2219): WARNING **: Couldn't connect to accessibility bus: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-4zxEfROlmH: Connection refused > > ** (orca:2219): ERROR **: AT-SPI: Couldn't connect to accessibility bus. Is at-spi-bus-launcher running? > Trace/breakpoint trap > didier[~]$ > cut here > > Currently I have lightdm-1.18.3 and lightdm-gtk-greeter-2.0.3 but I > have also tried lightdm-1.22.0. > > There is a similar issue mentioned in this thread: > https://mail.gnome.org/archives/orca-list/2015-December/msg00012.html > > I have tried several things, to no avail, including the patch proposed > by Samuel attached to this comment: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm/+bug/1366534/comments/16 > and also writing in lightdm.conf > xserver-share=false > > I would be grateful to any pointers to "something that works" which can > be based on any lightdm and lightdm-gtk-greeter versions, possibly with > additional patches, wrapper or other scripts to call from lightdm.conf, > including a properly set up lightdm.conf. > Only restriction: we don't have systemd in Slint, but I doubt that come > into play. > > And also to anything that could help a non-coder debugging. > > Greetings, > > Didier > > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > -- From samuel.thibault@ens-lyon.org Thu Nov 2 16:03:19 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28F80764B5 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 16:03:19 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aHTujczeSboq for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 16:02:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr (mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.83]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 53A49761F7 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 16:02:47 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.44,335,1505772000"; d="scan'208";a="299049727" Received: from unknown (HELO var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr) ([193.50.110.193]) by mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/AES256-GCM-SHA384; 02 Nov 2017 17:02:44 +0100 Received: from samy by var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eAHx6-0003iK-15; Thu, 02 Nov 2017 17:02:44 +0100 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 17:02:44 +0100 From: Samuel Thibault To: Peter =?utf-8?Q?V=C3=A1gner?= Cc: Didier Spaier , orca-list Message-ID: <20171102160244.kf42pqyzwzlrpqeo@var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr> References: <20171102141853.lqmxvux3n33hwccm@var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr> <20171102152837.uilwm4cl3wg75kad@var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: Organization: I am not organized User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170113 (1.7.2) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Can't get Orca start in a graphical environment started X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2017 16:03:19 -0000 Peter Vágner, on jeu. 02 nov. 2017 16:44:14 +0100, wrote: > I.d say this is some missunderstanding. I'm using gnome since 3.6 and I have > never seen gdm cleaning at-spi. It means at-spi is exited when gdm exits. He is not talking about gdm, but lightdm. > I will really have to do some more experiments to better understand this but > since gdm is not stopping at-spi, similar setup might be possible with lightdm. No, because lightdm sets up its session differently, which doesn't allow auto-cleanup such as what happens with gdm. Samuel From samuel.thibault@ens-lyon.org Thu Nov 2 16:14:57 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14FEE7623D for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 16:14:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Jn3DfM46jUOP for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 16:14:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr (mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.104]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 056F576249 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 16:14:25 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.44,335,1505772000"; d="scan'208";a="243219319" Received: from unknown (HELO var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr) ([193.50.110.193]) by mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/AES256-GCM-SHA384; 02 Nov 2017 17:14:22 +0100 Received: from samy by var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eAI8M-00061N-54; Thu, 02 Nov 2017 17:14:22 +0100 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 17:14:22 +0100 From: Samuel Thibault To: Jude DaShiell Cc: Didier Spaier , Peter =?utf-8?Q?V=C3=A1gner?= , orca-list Message-ID: <20171102161422.w7gw7g7det7f42wu@var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: I am not organized User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170113 (1.7.2) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Can't get Orca start in a graphical environment started X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2017 16:14:57 -0000 Jude DaShiell, on jeu. 02 nov. 2017 11:50:40 -0400, wrote: > Could it be lightdm and gdm conflict with respect to screen reader > accessibility? ? They are never used at the same time, since both are display managers. I thus don't understand your question. 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However I am missing even more basic things than this. How is lightdm supposed to be started on slint? I don't seem to be able to find its startup script. How are you starting it Didier please? Greetings Peter 2017-11-02 17:14 GMT+01:00 Samuel Thibault : > Jude DaShiell, on jeu. 02 nov. 2017 11:50:40 -0400, wrote: > > Could it be lightdm and gdm conflict with respect to screen reader > > accessibility? > > ? > > They are never used at the same time, since both are display managers. I > thus don't understand your question. > > Samuel > --001a114306e026235e055d02eb10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,

Okay, so now I am = trying to tinker more with it this time on my install of slint.
Ho= wever I am missing even more basic things than this. How is lightdm suppose= d to be started on slint? I don't seem to be able to find its startup s= cript. How are you starting it Didier please?

Greetings
Peter


2017-11-02 17:14 GMT+01:00 Samuel Thibault <<= a href=3D"mailto:samuel.thibault@ens-lyon.org" target=3D"_blank">samuel.thi= bault@ens-lyon.org>:
Jude DaShiell, on jeu. 02 nov. 2017 11:50:40 -0400, wrote:
> Could it be lightdm and gdm conflict with respect to screen reader
> accessibility?

?

They are never used at the same time, since both are display managers. I thus don't understand your question.

Samuel

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[94.113.224.255]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id p4sm3282449wrf.36.2017.11.02.10.02.56 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 02 Nov 2017 10:02:56 -0700 (PDT) To: orca-list From: =?UTF-8?B?Vm9qdMSbY2ggUG9sw6HFoWVr?= Message-ID: <4ff0bc09-7f62-63e4-b2a0-aa2d1492746d@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 18:02:55 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: cs-CZ Subject: [orca-list] strange behavior when configuring braille X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2017 17:03:21 -0000 Hi, I am running Orca from git on Arch Linux. I use Focus Blue 40 braille display. Could you please try this? 1. Ensure that "Enable braille" is disabled in Orca configuration. 2. Connect braille display. 3. Open settings and check "Enable braille" in Orca configuration. Press OK. 4. Braille display should start displaying things. 5. Open Orca configuration again and look at the "enable braille" checkbox. It should be still checked. 6. Press OK. 7. Braille display should stop displaying things and it will show "Screen not in text mode". 8. Open Orca configuration once more and note the state of checkobx - it is now disabled. This shouldn't happen because in step 5 I haven't touched the checkbox at all. Thanks, Vojta From alexarnaud@hypra.fr Thu Nov 2 17:19:12 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A2B876219 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 17:19:12 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.791 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.791 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8LsF6CI_xMl8 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 17:18:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra.fr (hypra.fr [62.210.38.35]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 99507761F7 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 17:18:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.10.190.4] (unknown [89.227.222.139]) by hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E6CC8582CB2; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 18:18:27 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hypra.fr; s=mail; t=1509643107; bh=lH5icXvtCEgzxnnnJGUL03ciINXJBcRjnh+9wZ00rzk=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=aK6mWRuki/Sj8H7HMglKz5mreQcSltCEJ9GS/dqW9z9i2JBExaTgKaT48NELlfaNq /YR4XjAfZXdzrAPnL3JyTBzThImWgBFBHCOIPWW0cwlFivwjoGr5ItSGySJKYcW2bX RAFUZIOav2P8F1B4gHj1shxRoafMYCyHvy7vcoRM= To: =?UTF-8?B?Vm9qdMSbY2ggUG9sw6HFoWVr?= , orca-list References: <4ff0bc09-7f62-63e4-b2a0-aa2d1492746d@gmail.com> From: Alex ARNAUD Organization: Hypra Message-ID: <6f43a20c-853a-e68d-856f-aec64e575191@hypra.fr> Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 18:18:58 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4ff0bc09-7f62-63e4-b2a0-aa2d1492746d@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] strange behavior when configuring braille X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2017 17:19:12 -0000 Hello Vojtěch, You're not the only one, Jean-Philippe has reported to me a similar issue few months ago. Best regards. Le 02/11/2017 à 18:02, Vojtěch Polášek a écrit : > Hi, > > I am running Orca from git on Arch Linux. I use Focus Blue 40 braille > display. Could you please try this? > > 1. Ensure that "Enable braille" is disabled in Orca configuration. > > 2. Connect braille display. > > 3. Open settings and check "Enable braille" in Orca configuration. Press OK. > > 4. Braille display should start displaying things. > > 5. Open Orca configuration again and look at the "enable braille" > checkbox. It should be still checked. > > 6. Press OK. > > 7. Braille display should stop displaying things and it will show > "Screen not in text mode". > > 8. Open Orca configuration once more and note the state of checkobx - it > is now disabled. > > This shouldn't happen because in step 5 I haven't touched the checkbox > at all. > > Thanks, > > Vojta > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > -- Alex ARNAUD Visual-Impairment Project Manager Hypra - "Humanizing technology" From didier@slint.fr Thu Nov 2 17:20:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A5B476219 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 17:20:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.79 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.79 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00mbvFfDNAVW for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 17:19:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.les.jabatus.fr (mail.les.jabatus.fr [109.234.163.36]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 33E86764D8 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 17:19:31 +0000 (UTC) X-MailPropre-MailScanner-From: didier@slint.fr X-MailPropre-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.101, required 5, autolearn=disabled, DKIM_SIGNED 0.10, URIBL_BLOCKED 0.00) X-MailPropre-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailPropre-MailScanner-ID: 2396D66BB054E.A6BC0 X-MailPropre-MailScanner-Information: Message sortant - Serveurs o2switch DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=slint.fr; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:From:References:Cc:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=6oi3vvrInZplpVp80JZpSqV2dWS0C1b/IVC/94nepYw=; b=iNWrRhXm9E76rLTXIbwCuN9sKJ pjlPHc8ZEL8nEwy3sC0h3R3YQHqVDlYYGaey5bZmMRNekpe7HUVtRx2TvOCfPNwVIcDcVwTBMDHgH aS9fQ5S5OxfE7unApxdi8a6NbHVghm97iwNO33wwu32maR2PlsgOi2X2MG3eU2/xBH4g=; To: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=c3=a1gner?= , Samuel Thibault Cc: Jude DaShiell , orca-list References: <20171102161422.w7gw7g7det7f42wu@var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr> From: Didier Spaier Message-ID: <1a00167f-f6fb-b4c4-25db-cbed4ab5029f@slint.fr> Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 18:19:26 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - fox.o2switch.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - slint.fr X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: fox.o2switch.net: authenticated_id: didier@slint.fr X-Authenticated-Sender: fox.o2switch.net: didier@slint.fr X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [orca-list] Can't get Orca start in a graphical environment started X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2017 17:20:13 -0000 Hello, Le 02/11/2017 à 17:59, Peter Vágner a écrit : > Okay, so now I am trying to tinker more with it this time on my install of > slint. > However I am missing even more basic things than this. How is lightdm > supposed to be started on slint? I don't seem to be able to find its > startup script. How are you starting it Didier please? You put a code snipped in top of /etc/rc.d/rc.4 so it be tried before its siblings, then run an root the comamnd runlevelconfig and choose graphical. If you can't hear anything, press Ctrl+Alt+F2, log in as root then type telinit 3 to go back to text mode. If you still have no sound, reboot, press tab then append a space 3 to the command line, so the machine will start in texed mode. If you prefer, you can stay in runlevel 3 (texet) by default to start graphical directly, at boot append space 4 to the command lien instead of space 3. Let me know if anything is not clear. Usually my explanations are way too convoluted... Greetings, Didier From pvdeejay@gmail.com Thu Nov 2 17:29:25 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0845C7621E for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 17:29:25 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.887 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.887 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tM0C_0vplVwk for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 17:29:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f65.google.com (mail-wm0-f65.google.com [74.125.82.65]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F1B52761F7 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 17:29:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-f65.google.com with SMTP id z3so433977wme.5 for ; Thu, 02 Nov 2017 10:29:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=hDG87+u21yhzlrCa6Hu20twj7WXklFCfphmC5GWviH4=; b=AKO3h6J2Sd93+WNQFBKGysNvvwZl665Uror2ZTxcj+S89/mPT5E5I9RmIDsDPiObc3 IujrkyVaVhVsXGUGGwyN7fs5NsHFTBM3OqgNfqktQejG7q2SkF2fjUBP+K6beRMzhZKW 86leItKK1mSNyJczLF3WWKh2s41goha0zTOa4Y5kinF4tOOsZadB0159T69s+5LPZwKs 7sB7G8pjmoz89dfBY6Nm94IUfV5lTuRnduUAfuEJ3f8IKlFwfmSYH5DyYQyAO5Tcp12f 3XPQQRzi1nwJuslI9R6qZN4hiD3ymE5cPE3cH8klOo6KLE35zwYo6+/hhPmx4iFeFo6T D9yw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=hDG87+u21yhzlrCa6Hu20twj7WXklFCfphmC5GWviH4=; b=S+N/BfCldKSMjCXdZaNu6nQTHnBqSFW6eNlu+qhaRCFAksZbvl+e+pWTJvMlKxHHoH +Ott6Qn2fo/2ANnUMbEBZIDKTYeDpWH1lGlfKnx4sfoxDp5aA5Uv80HTNeHdYCwIH73e xg9RoTxPFV2evf++wXcMhDiKJJ/i1vAZ8hEbYqlfAC3xzczKyCia9Y5m9qlLXmA7O10S I0bv4qPBw4kQvmNAGklz0Q1JurRt3b8+aJIjMQUkyp/b6IXuDbYfuoPOde0F/2TD8zZL m7VFDkHs8BPJkhAjWo8ht7WBcSJuspgIxI9q/M9r/0V+TAsb04LjGUCPEDPQSMKj3Sr+ 0Lrw== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX72g+gtYat4ZefwxkXQLrWE5qUKpJvUcY9OzGTO8FRQDkpQq/sV m7HjCLZB6oBf3aqCS5EzQimsVTe7DAt2qMbylvY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+RAbiYUXyQl8ZUSRRmFEZj/OsnN1B6hAPKtlxuI7vKsgEvRgiCs+AE03uJxjaFG3tTrRqYJL5MsssWwpZYt3JA= X-Received: by 10.28.178.205 with SMTP id b196mr2288494wmf.103.1509643741269; Thu, 02 Nov 2017 10:29:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.49.6 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 10:29:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6f43a20c-853a-e68d-856f-aec64e575191@hypra.fr> References: <4ff0bc09-7f62-63e4-b2a0-aa2d1492746d@gmail.com> <6f43a20c-853a-e68d-856f-aec64e575191@hypra.fr> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=C3=A1gner?= Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 18:29:00 +0100 Message-ID: To: Alex ARNAUD Cc: =?UTF-8?B?Vm9qdMSbY2ggUG9sw6HFoWVr?= , orca-list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a114425aeef9573055d035265" Subject: Re: [orca-list] strange behavior when configuring braille X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2017 17:29:25 -0000 --001a114425aeef9573055d035265 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, Might this be related to the fact the brltty 5.5 package on arch linux is broken? The problem is that libbrlapi as used with orca and python-brlapi defaults to both key and polkit auth method. Since the server part (brltty it-self) is built without polkit support the brlapi connection never works unless you will reconfigure brltty by uncommenting line like this inside /etc/brltty.conf . api-parameters Auth=3Dkeyfile:/etc/brlapi.key # Require authentication k= ey After uncommenting this and restarting brltty orca should be able to connect and it will hopefully also stop disabling its braille support. My guess is that it's disabling the braille support for you because it can't connect to brlapi server. Greetings Peter 2017-11-02 18:18 GMT+01:00 Alex ARNAUD : > Hello Vojt=C4=9Bch, > > You're not the only one, Jean-Philippe has reported to me a similar issue > few months ago. > > Best regards. > > > Le 02/11/2017 =C3=A0 18:02, Vojt=C4=9Bch Pol=C3=A1=C5=A1ek a =C3=A9crit : > >> Hi, >> >> I am running Orca from git on Arch Linux. I use Focus Blue 40 braille >> display. Could you please try this? >> >> 1. Ensure that "Enable braille" is disabled in Orca configuration. >> >> 2. Connect braille display. >> >> 3. Open settings and check "Enable braille" in Orca configuration. Press >> OK. >> >> 4. Braille display should start displaying things. >> >> 5. Open Orca configuration again and look at the "enable braille" >> checkbox. It should be still checked. >> >> 6. Press OK. >> >> 7. Braille display should stop displaying things and it will show >> "Screen not in text mode". >> >> 8. Open Orca configuration once more and note the state of checkobx - it >> is now disabled. >> >> This shouldn't happen because in step 5 I haven't touched the checkbox >> at all. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Vojta >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/g >> nome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> >> > -- > Alex ARNAUD > Visual-Impairment Project Manager > Hypra - "Humanizing technology" > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/g > nome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > --001a114425aeef9573055d035265 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,

Might this be= related to the fact the brltty 5.5 package on arch linux is broken?
The problem is that libbrlapi as used with orca and python-brlapi defaul= ts to both key and polkit auth method. Since the server part (brltty it-sel= f) is built without polkit support the brlapi connection never works unless= you will reconfigure brltty by uncommenting line like this inside /etc/brl= tty.conf .
api-parameters Auth=3Dkeyfile:/etc/brlapi.key=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 # Require authentication key
After uncommenting this and resta= rting brltty orca should be able to connect and it will hopefully also stop= disabling its braille support. My guess is that it's disabling the bra= ille support for you because it can't connect to brlapi server.

=
Greetings

Peter

=
2017-11-02 18:18 GMT+01:00 Alex ARNAUD <a= lexarnaud@hypra.fr>:
Hello = Vojt=C4=9Bch,

You're not the only one, Jean-Philippe has reported to me a similar iss= ue few months ago.

Best regards.


Le 02/11/2017 =C3=A0 18:02, Vojt=C4=9Bch Pol=C3=A1=C5=A1ek a =C3=A9crit=C2= =A0:
Hi,

I am running Orca from git on Arch Linux. I use Focus Blue 40 braille
display. Could you please try this?

1. Ensure that "Enable braille" is disabled in Orca configuration= .

2. Connect braille display.

3. Open settings and check "Enable braille" in Orca configuration= . Press OK.

4. Braille display should start displaying things.

5. Open Orca configuration again and look at the "enable braille"=
checkbox. It should be still checked.

6. Press OK.

7. Braille display should stop displaying things and it will show
"Screen not in text mode".

8. Open Orca configuration once more and note the state of checkobx - it is now disabled.

This shouldn't happen because in step 5 I haven't touched the check= box
at all.

Thanks,

Vojta

_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list@gnome.or= g
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-l= ist
Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/= stable/
GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.g= nome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org


--
Alex ARNAUD
Visual-Impairment Project Manager
Hypra - "Humanizing technology"

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orca-list@gnome.or= g
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-l= ist
Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/= stable/
GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.g= nome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
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I'm using gnome since 3.6 and I have >> never seen gdm cleaning at-spi. It means at-spi is exited when gdm exits. > > He is not talking about gdm, but lightdm. > >> I will really have to do some more experiments to better understand this but >> since gdm is not stopping at-spi, similar setup might be possible with lightdm. > https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/9.2.1/amd64/iso-dvd/ > No, because lightdm sets up its session differently, which doesn't allow > auto-cleanup such as what happens with gdm. Yesterday I downloaded an ISO following this link: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/9.2.1/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-9.2.1-amd64-DVD-1.iso found on this page: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/9.2.1/amd64/iso-dvd/ I had speech both in lihghtdm and in Maté in a VirtualBox VM. (After that I installed gdm3 ant its zillion deps out of curiosity. Unfortunately the system was stuck in a loop after rebooting but this is off topic). So Samuel, would you be kind enough to list the needed Debian packages fitting well together from which I could take inspiration to get a graphical a11y stack working? Preferably the most recent stack that you know works. Of course including lightdm, not gdm3. Peter, same request for Arch. 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Moreover, the braille works (Orca communicates with Brltty) after step 3, but stops after step 6. So I think that Brltty is not the problem- Vojta Dne 2.11.2017 v 18:29 Peter Vágner napsal(a): > Hello, > > Might this be related to the fact the brltty 5.5 package on arch linux > is broken? > The problem is that libbrlapi as used with orca and python-brlapi > defaults to both key and polkit auth method. Since the server part > (brltty it-self) is built without polkit support the brlapi connection > never works unless you will reconfigure brltty by uncommenting line > like this inside /etc/brltty.conf . > api-parameters Auth=keyfile:/etc/brlapi.key    # Require > authentication key > After uncommenting this and restarting brltty orca should be able to > connect and it will hopefully also stop disabling its braille support. > My guess is that it's disabling the braille support for you because it > can't connect to brlapi server. > > Greetings > > Peter > > > 2017-11-02 18:18 GMT+01:00 Alex ARNAUD >: > > Hello Vojtěch, > > You're not the only one, Jean-Philippe has reported to me a > similar issue few months ago. > > Best regards. > > > Le 02/11/2017 à 18:02, Vojtěch Polášek a écrit : > > Hi, > > I am running Orca from git on Arch Linux. I use Focus Blue 40 > braille > display. Could you please try this? > > 1. Ensure that "Enable braille" is disabled in Orca configuration. > > 2. Connect braille display. > > 3. Open settings and check "Enable braille" in Orca > configuration. Press OK. > > 4. Braille display should start displaying things. > > 5. Open Orca configuration again and look at the "enable braille" > checkbox. It should be still checked. > > 6. Press OK. > > 7. Braille display should stop displaying things and it will show > "Screen not in text mode". > > 8. Open Orca configuration once more and note the state of > checkobx - it > is now disabled. > > This shouldn't happen because in step 5 I haven't touched the > checkbox > at all. > > Thanks, > > Vojta > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > > -- > Alex ARNAUD > Visual-Impairment Project Manager > Hypra - "Humanizing technology" > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > --------------78B855244A45F33E145DCE76 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi,

I have the line uncommented. Moreover, the braille works (Orca communicates with Brltty) after step 3, but stops after step 6. So I think that Brltty is not the problem-

Vojta


Dne 2.11.2017 v 18:29 Peter Vágner napsal(a):
Hello,

Might this be related to the fact the brltty 5.5 package on arch linux is broken?
The problem is that libbrlapi as used with orca and python-brlapi defaults to both key and polkit auth method. Since the server part (brltty it-self) is built without polkit support the brlapi connection never works unless you will reconfigure brltty by uncommenting line like this inside /etc/brltty.conf .
api-parameters Auth=keyfile:/etc/brlapi.key    # Require authentication key
After uncommenting this and restarting brltty orca should be able to connect and it will hopefully also stop disabling its braille support. My guess is that it's disabling the braille support for you because it can't connect to brlapi server.

Greetings

Peter


2017-11-02 18:18 GMT+01:00 Alex ARNAUD <alexarnaud@hypra.fr>:
Hello Vojtěch,

You're not the only one, Jean-Philippe has reported to me a similar issue few months ago.

Best regards.


Le 02/11/2017 à 18:02, Vojtěch Polášek a écrit :
Hi,

I am running Orca from git on Arch Linux. I use Focus Blue 40 braille
display. Could you please try this?

1. Ensure that "Enable braille" is disabled in Orca configuration.

2. Connect braille display.

3. Open settings and check "Enable braille" in Orca configuration. Press OK.

4. Braille display should start displaying things.

5. Open Orca configuration again and look at the "enable braille"
checkbox. It should be still checked.

6. Press OK.

7. Braille display should stop displaying things and it will show
"Screen not in text mode".

8. Open Orca configuration once more and note the state of checkobx - it
is now disabled.

This shouldn't happen because in step 5 I haven't touched the checkbox
at all.

Thanks,

Vojta

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It's possible I have done something not clearly documented to get it working though and right now I am trying to duplicate that kind of setup on slint, so I'll report back if I find something more. I am not sure about debian, Samuel is more experienced in terms of accessibility however I guess debian includes lightdm-gtk-greeter 1.10 which is a bit older. It is even older than the freezing related issue we were discussing yesterday. Greetings Peter 2017-11-02 18:29 GMT+01:00 Didier Spaier : > Hello, > > Le 02/11/2017 =C3=A0 17:02, Samuel Thibault a =C3=A9crit : > > Peter V=C3=A1gner, on jeu. 02 nov. 2017 16:44:14 +0100, wrote: > >> I.d say this is some missunderstanding. I'm using gnome since 3.6 and = I > have > >> never seen gdm cleaning at-spi. It means at-spi is exited when gdm > exits. > > > > He is not talking about gdm, but lightdm. > > > >> I will really have to do some more experiments to better understand > this but > >> since gdm is not stopping at-spi, similar setup might be possible with > lightdm. > > https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/9.2.1/amd64/iso-dvd/ > > No, because lightdm sets up its session differently, which doesn't allo= w > > auto-cleanup such as what happens with gdm. > > Yesterday I downloaded an ISO following this link: > https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/9.2.1/amd64/iso-dvd/ > debian-9.2.1-amd64-DVD-1.iso > found on this page: > https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/9.2.1/amd64/iso-dvd/ > > I had speech both in lihghtdm and in Mat=C3=A9 in a VirtualBox VM. > > (After that I installed gdm3 ant its zillion deps out of curiosity. > Unfortunately the system was stuck in a loop after rebooting but this is > off topic). > > So Samuel, would you be kind enough to list the needed Debian packages > fitting well together from which I could take inspiration to get a > graphical a11y stack working? Preferably the most recent stack that you > know works. Of course including lightdm, not gdm3. > > Peter, same request for Arch. > > Greetings, > > Didier > --001a114425ae64cb69055d03a59c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,

On my install of a= rch linux the latest lightdm-gtk-greeter 2.0.3 is working for me. It's = possible I have done something not clearly documented to get it working tho= ugh and right now I am trying to duplicate that kind of setup on slint, so = I'll report back if I find something more.
I am not sure about= debian, Samuel is more experienced in terms of accessibility however I gue= ss debian includes lightdm-gtk-greeter 1.10 which is a bit older. It is eve= n older than the freezing related issue we were discussing yesterday.
Greetings

Peter


2017-11-02 18:29 GMT+01:00 Didier Spaier <= span dir=3D"ltr"><d= idier@slint.fr>:
Hello,
Le 02/11/2017 =C3=A0 17:02, Samuel Thibault a =C3=A9crit :
> Peter V=C3=A1gner, on jeu. 02 nov. 2017 16:44:14 +0100, wrote:
>> I.d say this is some missunderstanding. I'm using gnome since = 3.6 and I have
>> never seen gdm cleaning at-spi. It means at-spi is exited when gdm= exits.
>
> He is not talking about gdm, but lightdm.
>
>> I will really have to do some more experiments to better understan= d this but
>> since gdm is not stopping at-spi, similar setup might be possible = with lightdm.
> https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/9.2.1/amd64/iso-dvd/
> No, because lightdm sets up its session differently, = which doesn't allow
> auto-cleanup such as what happens with gdm.

Yesterday I downloaded an ISO following this link:
https://cdimage= .debian.org/debian-cd/9.2.1/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-9.2.1-amd64-DVD-= 1.iso
found on this page:
https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd= /9.2.1/amd64/iso-dvd/

I had speech both in lihghtdm and in Mat=C3=A9 in a VirtualBox VM.

(After that I installed gdm3 ant its zillion deps out of curiosity.
Unfortunately the system was stuck in a loop after rebooting but this is off topic).

So Samuel, would you be kind enough to list the needed Debian packages
fitting well together from which I could take inspiration to get a
graphical a11y stack working?=C2=A0 Preferably the most recent stack that y= ou
know works. Of course including lightdm, not gdm3.

Peter, same request for Arch.

Greetings,

Didier

--001a114425ae64cb69055d03a59c-- From jdiggs@igalia.com Thu Nov 2 17:59:26 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0EF876C37 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 17:59:26 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.791 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.791 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NsOgOIX_s5uy for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 17:58:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [91.117.99.155]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 25026764B2 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 17:58:45 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject; bh=jR5T+IneDlCZMloUFr0yS4RDLkl/nhp+GoGSL75qKrU=; b=DfGnaDK6biKGi6WcE0m5yDn7Ai9Mrx6sf/JyXHUM1L4MAkB3SwPlur2R8PQQyXl5wbSQO8nW20lxVid7MjV2T7KEQSDo5nk4iK0JUy1GGbqIyhQJ95Pg3TLbv6PA7mki0uUa1VFofz2o66wdx3WfrlZW8XQY4FX/P+SMzktBSk1sffITFsE+vUNvNGlNqYAqCA/n9cL/HX3X4qyP+plH5LiLswntjlJuPEg1biLZtMqFCHgJSTspZCKjtPb/v10AQ3soMxT1q/KkBcGvSIlsfVIW44e5mjkfPldMC411YC2sVL1QSxPadVAEMV7zSTP39b8bKq28QGg1dgSqJhC/XA==; Received: from c-73-69-1-235.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.69.1.235] helo=[192.168.35.111]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1eAJlK-0004g9-Vp for ; Thu, 02 Nov 2017 18:58:43 +0100 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20171102152043.aeuru37ad3u36rjg@pema> From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <2605832f-f05c-cc03-dd10-d42da0325cbc@igalia.com> Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 13:58:31 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20171102152043.aeuru37ad3u36rjg@pema> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Troubles while approving GitHub pull requests in Firefox X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2017 17:59:26 -0000 Confirmed. I'll take a look. Thanks! --joanie On 11/02/2017 11:20 AM, Shérab wrote: > Dear all, > > I am encountering difficulties whe trying to approve GitHub pull > requests. > > On a pull request's page, select the Files tab. > > Then, it is not possible with Orca to see the "Review changes" button. > More precisely, when searching for it with Orca 's search feature I am > told by a sighted colleague that the button gets selected. However it is > neither spoken nor shown in braille and the button is not accessible via > tabbing either. > > It seems Orca gets confused by Aria labels. > > I'm happy to provide more information if this is required to solve this. > > Best wishes, > > Shérab. > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > From didier@slint.fr Thu Nov 2 18:06:59 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9563763E4 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 18:06:59 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.79 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.79 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lc-cTuhBAd3W for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 18:06:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.alors.jabatus.fr (mail.alors.jabatus.fr [109.234.163.58]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2EDFA764CD for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 18:06:18 +0000 (UTC) X-MailPropre-MailScanner-From: didier@slint.fr X-MailPropre-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (cached, score=0.101, required 5, autolearn=disabled, DKIM_SIGNED 0.10, URIBL_BLOCKED 0.00) X-MailPropre-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailPropre-MailScanner-ID: 7D39C66CA3684.A7544 X-MailPropre-MailScanner-Information: Message sortant - Serveurs o2switch DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=slint.fr; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:From:References:Cc:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=jpjlxLkphEh3Y/KApsO2V9o8gFxiHP4X22T1t71434I=; b=fL36/qoQD7dQAbXv2fvo8LU8k7 dgYduHjrbYJKr1ztFio6SBBGH6vU/Kg1EwN4VmxvSC4uu2MM5EkTu2b0CoFU9wvzhGTFhSxnK2IxO VKpq0o+YX+FEbxpYXeHQNVlKTckMDFPgT/+JBYXj2/uHcdXT4x5e1zoKkW5r3fsRhLUU=; To: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=c3=a1gner?= Cc: Samuel Thibault , orca-list References: <20171102141853.lqmxvux3n33hwccm@var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr> <20171102152837.uilwm4cl3wg75kad@var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr> <20171102160244.kf42pqyzwzlrpqeo@var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr> <96690b69-9896-593b-77ea-a07e4122ff1a@slint.fr> From: Didier Spaier Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 19:06:14 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - fox.o2switch.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - slint.fr X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: fox.o2switch.net: authenticated_id: didier@slint.fr X-Authenticated-Sender: fox.o2switch.net: didier@slint.fr X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [orca-list] Can't get Orca start in a graphical environment started X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2017 18:07:00 -0000 Hello, Le 02/11/2017 à 18:52, Peter Vágner a écrit > On my install of arch linux the latest lightdm-gtk-greeter 2.0.3 is working > for me. It's possible I have done something not clearly documented to get > it working though and right now I am trying to duplicate that kind of setup > on slint, so I'll report back if I find something more. > I am not sure about debian, Samuel is more experienced in terms of > accessibility however I guess debian includes lightdm-gtk-greeter 1.10 > which is a bit older. It is even older than the freezing related issue we > were discussing yesterday. I forgot this: pam is not officially shipped in Slint yet, but you will find a package here: http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-testing/source/pam/ that you can install with installpkg /path/to/pam-1.2.1-x86_64-1slint.txz or spkg -i /path/to/pam-1.2.1-x86_64-1slint.txz If you want to install lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings you will need also as dep python3-distutils-extra available here: http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-testing/source/python3-distutils-extra/ These packages are in source dirs because they are not yet released even for testing. All other deps should be already installed, I think. Greetings, Didier From jdiggs@igalia.com Thu Nov 2 18:12:28 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B7E76219 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 18:12:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.791 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.791 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CXvWYb9xxuIJ for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 18:11:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [91.117.99.155]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 261497621E for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 18:11:47 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:References:To:From:Subject; bh=tO4QkiTruHEb0uyFiV5UpzLfkrvRqYgT6NV8Jn7HyeU=; b=r8WZ67Ly7RcBW6Jyw2Jir//CIv6ZnN56tFHBvEA+3GeRupc/cd3JkNhojyZSeBWy8UlQ2q80L9QgJ8RYlO66nk+XEqGh8VHznctBhZJlLT9dnYF5odRNXCMOa4TaiItg090wP435zLsCQfVoN0gD0E8FR0ERnWfXbEfGWQKjE4cHUQdPD7v9iBiFlfQARJIKaJMJpjTz6a3zk3yd54aLlu21KwiMQpA/rnanXrf4ZvPqX6R/1QDmZQaZkZ7+2poAJPsJUWaLbm9mg10FOlNRYfMiVJ0q54yrkSvnFBBpEkTAKptEl+NBlZ6wlxezMrXcJICLpsE7Z2Ugs+ElYRLzjA==; Received: from c-73-69-1-235.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.69.1.235] helo=[192.168.35.111]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1eAJxw-0006Zc-U8 for ; Thu, 02 Nov 2017 19:11:45 +0100 From: Joanmarie Diggs To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20171102152043.aeuru37ad3u36rjg@pema> <2605832f-f05c-cc03-dd10-d42da0325cbc@igalia.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 14:11:33 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2605832f-f05c-cc03-dd10-d42da0325cbc@igalia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Troubles while approving GitHub pull requests in Firefox X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2017 18:12:28 -0000 That was a side effect of trying to work around elements going defunct on us. I removed that work around in master. Please test and let me know if you notice any regressions. Thanks! --joanie On 11/02/2017 01:58 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > Confirmed. I'll take a look. Thanks! > --joanie > > On 11/02/2017 11:20 AM, Shérab wrote: >> Dear all, >> >> I am encountering difficulties whe trying to approve GitHub pull >> requests. >> >> On a pull request's page, select the Files tab. >> >> Then, it is not possible with Orca to see the "Review changes" button. >> More precisely, when searching for it with Orca 's search feature I am >> told by a sighted colleague that the button gets selected. However it is >> neither spoken nor shown in braille and the button is not accessible via >> tabbing either. >> >> It seems Orca gets confused by Aria labels. >> >> I'm happy to provide more information if this is required to solve this. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Shérab. >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > From SRS0=hrEg=CA=ens-lyon.org=Sebastien.Hinderer@bounce.ens-lyon.org Thu Nov 2 18:21:10 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5489D763E4 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 18:21:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1n5TLG_QmIOV for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 18:20:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sonata.ens-lyon.org (domu-toccata.ens-lyon.fr [140.77.166.138]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DD9D27621E for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 18:20:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sonata.ens-lyon.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C869C200E4 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 19:20:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from sonata.ens-lyon.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (sonata.ens-lyon.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3629Wud6rGKo for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 19:20:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from pema.homeunix.org (reverse-177-225.fdn.fr [80.67.177.225]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by sonata.ens-lyon.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AE62A200E3 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 19:20:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from seb by pema.homeunix.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eAK6W-0006d4-9n for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 02 Nov 2017 19:20:36 +0100 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 19:20:36 +0100 From: =?utf-8?Q?Sh=C3=A9rab?= To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20171102182036.3x4ov4vv7ai5js2t@pema> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20171102152043.aeuru37ad3u36rjg@pema> <2605832f-f05c-cc03-dd10-d42da0325cbc@igalia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <2605832f-f05c-cc03-dd10-d42da0325cbc@igalia.com> Subject: Re: [orca-list] Troubles while approving GitHub pull requests in Firefox X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2017 18:21:10 -0000 Joanmarie Diggs (2017/11/02 13:58 -0400): > Confirmed. I'll take a look. Thanks! Great, thanks a lot, Joanie! Shérab. 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Lightdm really should start at-spi2 when it's configured with accessibility. It does it on my arch linux machine where I'm running lightdm for more than a year now. I do have these two options inside /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf [greeter] a11y-states=3Dreader reader=3Dorca when greeter session closes at-spi is killed by the gtk greeter. I am specifically handling this situation in that patch which has been committed into gtk-greeter 2.0.3 release. However I am unable to get lightdm working on slint at all. I have installed pam, lightdm and lightdm-gtk-greeter by using installpkg. This is what I'm getting when launching it... Should I add accounts service or logind into the mix somewhere? ** (lightdm:1204): WARNING **: Failed to get list of logind seats: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freedesktop.login1 was not provided by any .service files ** (lightdm:1204): WARNING **: Error getting user list from org.freedesktop.Accounts: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freedesktop.Accounts was not provided by any .service files (lightdm:1204): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed ** (process:1214): WARNING **: Error getting user list from org.freedesktop.Accounts: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freedesktop.Accounts was not provided by any .service files Failed to get information on user lightdm: Success Greetings Peter 2017-11-02 19:06 GMT+01:00 Didier Spaier : > Hello, > > Le 02/11/2017 =C3=A0 18:52, Peter V=C3=A1gner a =C3=A9crit > > On my install of arch linux the latest lightdm-gtk-greeter 2.0.3 is > working > > for me. It's possible I have done something not clearly documented to g= et > > it working though and right now I am trying to duplicate that kind of > setup > > on slint, so I'll report back if I find something more. > > I am not sure about debian, Samuel is more experienced in terms of > > accessibility however I guess debian includes lightdm-gtk-greeter 1.10 > > which is a bit older. It is even older than the freezing related issue = we > > were discussing yesterday. > > I forgot this: pam is not officially shipped in Slint yet, but you will > find > a package here: > http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-testing/source/pam/ > that you can install with installpkg /path/to/pam-1.2.1-x86_64-1slint.txz > or spkg -i /path/to/pam-1.2.1-x86_64-1slint.txz > If you want to install lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings you will need also > as dep python3-distutils-extra available here: > http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-testing/source/ > python3-distutils-extra/ > These packages are in source dirs because they are not yet released even > for testing. > > All other deps should be already installed, I think. > > Greetings, > > Didier > --001a1143b00a1cc492055d04903b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,

Okay, now I have looked over some old messages and I have some more ideas= .

Lightdm really should start at-spi2 when it's configured= with accessibility. It does it on my arch linux machine where I'm runn= ing lightdm for more than a year now.
I do have these two options = inside /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf
[greeter]
a11y-sta= tes=3Dreader
reader=3Dorca

when greeter session closes= at-spi is killed by the gtk greeter. I am specifically handling this situa= tion in that patch which has been committed into gtk-greeter 2.0.3 release.=

However I am unable to get lightdm working on slint at all. I= have installed pam, lightdm and lightdm-gtk-greeter by using installpkg.
This is what I'm getting when launching it... Should I add acco= unts service or logind into the mix somewhere?

** (lightd= m:1204): WARNING **: Failed to get list of logind seats: GDBus.Error:org.fr= eedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freedesktop.login1 was no= t provided by any .service files

** (lightdm:1204): WARNING **: Erro= r getting user list from org.freedesktop.Accounts: GDBus.Error:org.freedesk= top.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freedesktop.Accounts was not pr= ovided by any .service files

(lightdm:1204): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL *= *: g_object_unref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed

*= * (process:1214): WARNING **: Error getting user list from org.freedesktop.= Accounts: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name o= rg.freedesktop.Accounts was not provided by any .service files
Failed to= get information on user lightdm: Success


Greet= ings

Peter



2017-11= -02 19:06 GMT+01:00 Didier Spaier <didier@slint.fr>:
Hello,

Le 02/11/2017 =C3=A0 18:52, Peter V=C3=A1gner a =C3=A9crit
> On my install of arch linux the latest lightdm-gtk-gr= eeter 2.0.3 is working
> for me. It's possible I have done something not clearly documented= to get
> it working though and right now I am trying to duplicate that kind of = setup
> on slint, so I'll report back if I find something more.
> I am not sure about debian, Samuel is more experienced in terms of
> accessibility however I guess debian includes lightdm-gtk-greeter 1.10=
> which is a bit older. It is even older than the freezing related issue= we
> were discussing yesterday.

I forgot this: pam is not officially shipped in Slint yet, but you w= ill find
a package here:
http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/sli= nt-testing/source/pam/
that you can install with installpkg /path/to/pam-1.2.1-x86_64-1slint.= txz
or spkg -i /path/to/pam-1.2.1-x86_64-1slint.txz
If you want to install lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings you will need also
as dep python3-distutils-extra available here:
http://slackware.uk/sl= int/x86_64/slint-testing/source/python3-distutils-extra/
These packages are in source dirs because they are not yet released even for testing.

All other deps should be already installed, I think.

Greetings,

Didier

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Then gdm got added with gnome and running gdm with gnome after lightdm and mate had been run exposed the problem with lightdm not completely exiting or appearing to not completely exit. Could it be both gdm and lightdm use at least one identical configuration file that needed updating and didn't get updated? That even with lightdm shut off might provide this kind of situation. On Thu, 2 Nov 2017, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 12:14:22 > From: Samuel Thibault > To: Jude DaShiell > Cc: Didier Spaier , Peter V?gner , > orca-list > Subject: Re: [orca-list] Can't get Orca start in a graphical environment > started > > Jude DaShiell, on jeu. 02 nov. 2017 11:50:40 -0400, wrote: >> Could it be lightdm and gdm conflict with respect to screen reader >> accessibility? > > ? > > They are never used at the same time, since both are display managers. 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It does it on my arch linux machine where I'm running > lightdm for more than a year now. > I do have these two options inside /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf > [greeter] > a11y-states=reader > reader=orca I have: [greeter] a11y-states = +reader indicators = ~a11y;~session;~power reader = orca I will use your settings to check > when greeter session closes at-spi is killed by the gtk greeter. I am > specifically handling this situation in that patch which has been committed > into gtk-greeter 2.0.3 release. > > However I am unable to get lightdm working on slint at all. I have > installed pam, lightdm and lightdm-gtk-greeter by using installpkg. > This is what I'm getting when launching it... Should I add accounts service > or logind into the mix somewhere? > > ** (lightdm:1204): WARNING **: Failed to get list of logind seats: > GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name > org.freedesktop.login1 was not provided by any .service files > > ** (lightdm:1204): WARNING **: Error getting user list from > org.freedesktop.Accounts: > GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name > org.freedesktop.Accounts was not provided by any .service files > > (lightdm:1204): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion > 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed > > ** (process:1214): WARNING **: Error getting user list from > org.freedesktop.Accounts: > GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name > org.freedesktop.Accounts was not provided by any .service files > Failed to get information on user lightdm: Success Oh the packages lightm and lighdm-gtk-greater are old in the repo, sorry to make you loose your time. Later today I will upload packages that work here. Greetings, Didier From pvdeejay@gmail.com Thu Nov 2 21:22:48 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FEB47621D for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 21:22:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.887 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.887 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CWedkDuAIbfW for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 21:22:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wr0-f195.google.com (mail-wr0-f195.google.com [209.85.128.195]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 103CB76219 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 21:22:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wr0-f195.google.com with SMTP id z55so834935wrz.1 for ; Thu, 02 Nov 2017 14:22:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Fza99EcrP7OHyUgb0iEy+H3xURGEO/TwQ3dBx6ua+Ag=; b=ev8Fod63KKV57AIMqCDfiyIHBWSAn5tuqVlOn67a9snDPqlm6qzz0Jqu/kSo+Lwzgv VWEpQ0YgLzkqhFjTDUrMGztPCOc92JHwYybIiL2MnFxIqQDWNkgAbAMfaVizysOqqr2T mfnv+YtC5Xc5jtOKr0KZENtnijiO2dbAfrPPYJd22GaZSY1HUPqMPIWUHV1qW7iDhHT1 cfAOVCGkdkFV7/GrxpACjNj2jykx9gWxmMewzSTiY8hcCczZoKDJFzsCm0q7VNDfU3au 3UTYLki/tEuHPWNHkkIJDdfIZ7BdiHtaONoDIVlKqQvOhgTSPAnnPySlaBahhf8tijdT hC4g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Fza99EcrP7OHyUgb0iEy+H3xURGEO/TwQ3dBx6ua+Ag=; b=cBRQYh3KXPr3oAmSVI2IIR9i5sliXBv68FaQvQva0vUmwhdVTb6gOJUF7Bz0IAw8ck lhtr6vH1/fKz9jumsPFRukU+0IP5VGePkfOA4xlQFT4enLuBmpugHyJ/dk40az7LV862 txiwReojBDyN31eXgimW6HqBAEp5nEH4QOncYlWYfOC7m9Sm4QRY0+vDnzd85HZzudjF tz7k6besv80CAwMtpCW9YQfqUzh+h1dpe8LU0jN2IBb2pflvyRLpQf3AZrDUS+hb/gB3 bCCGaBA9kCk5SYAAr5wSOQ5Ac6vCUuvFhMW8RRWfDPuxc5Or3daAYPg6q/Uj23KsWt6N yDqg== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaUJCHnTp/sj8v7Ny0915mnygn67yEK6emEywC7E715VRahaaERl 07a5B2eXCF80XodI9wvcxQ5m32GlziDOv39fYUY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+RYrTnWqeQcMdNQf38mJABW9/FHk9f7l/5KGdmwmrdqQ7CvtHMF6Gwfd5Tw6geStYKQBMvSr/AQeJblitmDlCI= X-Received: by 10.223.162.152 with SMTP id s24mr4425393wra.173.1509657743894; Thu, 02 Nov 2017 14:22:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.49.6 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 14:22:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <908f4dab-06a4-53e1-9329-b5d558f8983e@gmail.com> References: <4ff0bc09-7f62-63e4-b2a0-aa2d1492746d@gmail.com> <6f43a20c-853a-e68d-856f-aec64e575191@hypra.fr> <908f4dab-06a4-53e1-9329-b5d558f8983e@gmail.com> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=C3=A1gner?= Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 22:22:22 +0100 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?B?Vm9qdMSbY2ggUG9sw6HFoWVr?= Cc: orca-list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f403045ea3428eac51055d0695d0" Subject: Re: [orca-list] strange behavior when configuring braille X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2017 21:22:48 -0000 --f403045ea3428eac51055d0695d0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, Yes, if braille is working fine for you when not switched off then most likelly that's not an issue. Greetings Peter 2017-11-02 18:47 GMT+01:00 Vojt=C4=9Bch Pol=C3=A1=C5=A1ek : > Hi, > > I have the line uncommented. Moreover, the braille works (Orca > communicates with Brltty) after step 3, but stops after step 6. So I thin= k > that Brltty is not the problem- > > Vojta > > Dne 2.11.2017 v 18:29 Peter V=C3=A1gner napsal(a): > > Hello, > > Might this be related to the fact the brltty 5.5 package on arch linux is > broken? > The problem is that libbrlapi as used with orca and python-brlapi default= s > to both key and polkit auth method. Since the server part (brltty it-self= ) > is built without polkit support the brlapi connection never works unless > you will reconfigure brltty by uncommenting line like this inside > /etc/brltty.conf . > api-parameters Auth=3Dkeyfile:/etc/brlapi.key # Require authentication > key > After uncommenting this and restarting brltty orca should be able to > connect and it will hopefully also stop disabling its braille support. My > guess is that it's disabling the braille support for you because it can't > connect to brlapi server. > > Greetings > > Peter > > > 2017-11-02 18:18 GMT+01:00 Alex ARNAUD : > >> Hello Vojt=C4=9Bch, >> >> You're not the only one, Jean-Philippe has reported to me a similar issu= e >> few months ago. >> >> Best regards. >> >> >> Le 02/11/2017 =C3=A0 18:02, Vojt=C4=9Bch Pol=C3=A1=C5=A1ek a =C3=A9crit = : >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I am running Orca from git on Arch Linux. I use Focus Blue 40 braille >>> display. Could you please try this? >>> >>> 1. Ensure that "Enable braille" is disabled in Orca configuration. >>> >>> 2. Connect braille display. >>> >>> 3. Open settings and check "Enable braille" in Orca configuration. Pres= s >>> OK. >>> >>> 4. Braille display should start displaying things. >>> >>> 5. Open Orca configuration again and look at the "enable braille" >>> checkbox. It should be still checked. >>> >>> 6. Press OK. >>> >>> 7. Braille display should stop displaying things and it will show >>> "Screen not in text mode". >>> >>> 8. Open Orca configuration once more and note the state of checkobx - i= t >>> is now disabled. >>> >>> This shouldn't happen because in step 5 I haven't touched the checkbox >>> at all. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Vojta >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/g >>> nome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> >>> >> -- >> Alex ARNAUD >> Visual-Impairment Project Manager >> Hypra - "Humanizing technology" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/g >> nome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/ > gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > --f403045ea3428eac51055d0695d0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,

Yes, if braille is work= ing fine for you when not switched off then most likelly that's not an = issue.

Greetings

Peter

2017-11-02 18:47 GMT+01:00 Vojt=C4= =9Bch Pol=C3=A1=C5=A1ek <krecoun@gmail.com>:
=20 =20 =20

Hi,

I have the line uncommented. Moreover, the braille works (Orca communicates with Brltty) after step 3, but stops after step 6. So I think that Brltty is not the problem-

Vojta


Dne 2.11.2017 v 18:= 29 Peter V=C3=A1gner napsal(a):
Hello,

Might this be related to the fact the brltty 5.5 package on arch linux is broken?
The problem is that libbrlapi as used with orca and python-brlapi defaults to both key and polkit auth method. Since the server part (brltty it-self) is built without polkit support the brlapi connection never works unless you will reconfigure brltty by uncommenting line like this inside /etc/brltty.conf .
api-parameters Auth=3Dkeyfile:/etc/brlapi.key=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 # Require authentication key
After uncommenting this and restarting brltty orca should be able to connect and it will hopefully also stop disabling its braille support. My guess is that it's disabling the braille support for you because it can't connect to brlapi server.

Greetings

Peter


2017-11-02 18:18 GMT+01:00 Alex ARNAUD <alexarnaud@hypra.fr>:
Hello Vojt=C4=9Bch,

You're not the only one, Jean-Philippe has reported to me a similar issue few months ago.

Best regards.


Le 02/11/2017 =C3=A0 18:02, Vojt=C4=9Bch Pol=C3=A1=C5=A1ek = a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
Hi,

I am running Orca from git on Arch Linux. I use Focus Blue 40 braille
display. Could you please try this?

1. Ensure that "Enable braille" is disabled in = Orca configuration.

2. Connect braille display.

3. Open settings and check "Enable braille" in = Orca configuration. Press OK.

4. Braille display should start displaying things.

5. Open Orca configuration again and look at the "enable braille"
checkbox. It should be still checked.

6. Press OK.

7. Braille display should stop displaying things and it will show
"Screen not in text mode".

8. Open Orca configuration once more and note the state of checkobx - it
is now disabled.

This shouldn't happen because in step 5 I haven't touched the checkbox
at all.

Thanks,

Vojta

_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
= orca-list@gnome.org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Project= s/Orca
Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.or= g/users/orca/stable/
GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.or= g


--
Alex ARNAUD
Visual-Impairment Project Manager
Hypra - "Humanizing technology"

_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
or= ca-list@gnome.org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman= /listinfo/orca-list
Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/= Orca
Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/= users/orca/stable/
GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org<= /a>



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Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/= stable/
GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.g= nome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org

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So I've created it manually and I do have lightdm running. When exiting a greeter session either when logging in or when killing lightdm, I do have something like this inside /var/log/lightdm/seat0-greeter.log ** (lightdm-gtk-greeter:1069): WARNING **: [PIDs] Failed to terminate process #1104: No such process I have added some more debugging code to lightdm-greeter.c and recompiled. And I have discovered something somewhere else is starting at-spi2-bus-launcher even before lightdm-gtk-greeter does it. On arch linux it's working as it should. So either this is really a nasty lightdm-gtk-greeter bug or something else is also starting at-spi. I'm looking more into it hopefully I'll be able to find what's the issue. Greetings Peter 2017-11-02 20:11 GMT+01:00 Didier Spaier : > Hello, > > Le 02/11/2017 =C3=A0 19:57, Peter V=C3=A1gner a =C3=A9crit : > > Hello, > > > > Okay, now I have looked over some old messages and I have some more > ideas. > > > > Lightdm really should start at-spi2 when it's configured with > > accessibility. It does it on my arch linux machine where I'm running > > lightdm for more than a year now. > > I do have these two options inside /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.con= f > > [greeter] > > a11y-states=3Dreader > > reader=3Dorca > > I have: > [greeter] > a11y-states =3D +reader > indicators =3D ~a11y;~session;~power > reader =3D orca > > I will use your settings to check > > > > when greeter session closes at-spi is killed by the gtk greeter. I am > > specifically handling this situation in that patch which has been > committed > > into gtk-greeter 2.0.3 release. > > > > However I am unable to get lightdm working on slint at all. I have > > installed pam, lightdm and lightdm-gtk-greeter by using installpkg. > > This is what I'm getting when launching it... Should I add accounts > service > > or logind into the mix somewhere? > > > > ** (lightdm:1204): WARNING **: Failed to get list of logind seats: > > GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name > > org.freedesktop.login1 was not provided by any .service files > > > > ** (lightdm:1204): WARNING **: Error getting user list from > > org.freedesktop.Accounts: > > GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name > > org.freedesktop.Accounts was not provided by any .service files > > > > (lightdm:1204): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion > > 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed > > > > ** (process:1214): WARNING **: Error getting user list from > > org.freedesktop.Accounts: > > GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name > > org.freedesktop.Accounts was not provided by any .service files > > Failed to get information on user lightdm: Success > > > Oh the packages lightm and lighdm-gtk-greater are old in the > repo, sorry to make you loose your time. > > Later today I will upload packages that work here. > > Greetings, > > Didier > --001a1143b00a27e7b0055d06d737 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,

Yes I have moved a bit further.
lightdm user has not been create= d when installing these packages. So I've created it manually and I do = have lightdm running.

When exiting a greeter session either wh= en logging in or when killing lightdm, I do have something like this inside= /var/log/lightdm/seat0-greeter.log
** (lightdm-gtk-greeter:1069): WARNI= NG **: [PIDs] Failed to terminate process #1104: No such process
I= have added some more debugging code to lightdm-greeter.c and recompiled. A= nd I have discovered something somewhere else is starting at-spi2-bus-launc= her even before lightdm-gtk-greeter does it.
On arch linux it'= s working as it should. So either this is really a nasty lightdm-gtk-greete= r bug or something else is also starting at-spi.

I'm looki= ng more into it hopefully I'll be able to find what's the issue.
Greetings

Peter


2017-11-02 20:11 GMT+01:00 Didier= Spaier <didier@slint.fr>:
H= ello,

Le 02/11/2017 =C3=A0 19:57, Peter V=C3=A1gner a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
> Hello,
>
> Okay, now I have looked over some old messages and I have some more id= eas.
>
> Lightdm really should start at-spi2 when it's configured with
> accessibility. It does it on my arch linux machine where I'm runni= ng
> lightdm for more than a year now.
> I do have these two options inside /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greet= er.conf
> [greeter]
> a11y-states=3Dreader
> reader=3Dorca

I have:
[greeter]
a11y-states =3D +reader
indicators =3D ~a11y;~session;~power
reader =3D orca

I will use your settings to check


> when greeter session closes at-spi is killed by the gtk greeter. I am<= br> > specifically handling this situation in that patch which has been comm= itted
> into gtk-greeter 2.0.3 release.
>
> However I am unable to get lightdm working on slint at all. I have
> installed pam, lightdm and lightdm-gtk-greeter by using installpkg. > This is what I'm getting when launching it... Should I add account= s service
> or logind into the mix somewhere?
>
> ** (lightdm:1204): WARNING **: Failed to get list of logind seats:
> GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name > org.freedesktop.login1 was not provided by any .service files
>
> ** (lightdm:1204): WARNING **: Error getting user list from
> org.freedesktop.Accounts:
> GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name > org.freedesktop.Accounts was not provided by any .service files
>
> (lightdm:1204): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion > 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
>
> ** (process:1214): WARNING **: Error getting user list from
> org.freedesktop.Accounts:
> GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name > org.freedesktop.Accounts was not provided by any .service files
> Failed to get information on user lightdm: Success


Oh the packages lightm and lighdm-gtk-greater are old in the
repo, sorry to make you loose your time.

Later today I will upload packages that work here.

Greetings,

Didier

--001a1143b00a27e7b0055d06d737-- From didier@slint.fr Thu Nov 2 21:56:45 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 578FD76219 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 21:56:45 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.79 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.79 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rvS2fxdisnSe for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 21:56:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.indication.jabatus.fr (mail.indication.jabatus.fr [109.234.163.85]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B57707621D for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 21:56:04 +0000 (UTC) X-MailPropre-MailScanner-From: didier@slint.fr X-MailPropre-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.101, required 5, autolearn=disabled, DKIM_SIGNED 0.10, URIBL_BLOCKED 0.00) X-MailPropre-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailPropre-MailScanner-ID: D2C846706F996.A7F35 X-MailPropre-MailScanner-Information: Message sortant - Serveurs o2switch DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=slint.fr; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:From:References:Cc:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=7F1Hyxu4/ujbxRjgrhXIPMX531XgMx/Q6xdKO+df5Kk=; b=pHxohc1yPxR3/WzmjMLJh/QFCz s0BnWYW55vNsEAqqm4cp3XjfRXBwUSdQtqXSzjbmg4z9tme1yHG0bLHKupH5RzP57FaHyON5ILtBX K0FCdpqYt3SrE0RIeuVH2oKxOm4ORJ7JxHxlzsquZK1uWjF76AJZHTd2DGwPzkDAtjlE=; To: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=c3=a1gner?= Cc: Samuel Thibault , orca-list , Jude DaShiell References: <20171102141853.lqmxvux3n33hwccm@var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr> <20171102152837.uilwm4cl3wg75kad@var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr> <20171102160244.kf42pqyzwzlrpqeo@var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr> <96690b69-9896-593b-77ea-a07e4122ff1a@slint.fr> <1fa57d6b-934f-ea16-8fc8-40b57fac5168@slint.fr> From: Didier Spaier Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 22:55:59 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - fox.o2switch.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - slint.fr X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: fox.o2switch.net: authenticated_id: didier@slint.fr X-Authenticated-Sender: fox.o2switch.net: didier@slint.fr X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [orca-list] Can't get Orca start in a graphical environment started X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2017 21:56:45 -0000 Hello, Le 02/11/2017 à 22:40, Peter Vágner a écrit : > Yes I have moved a bit further. > lightdm user has not been created when installing these packages. So I've > created it manually and I do have lightdm running. > > When exiting a greeter session either when logging in or when killing > lightdm, I do have something like this inside > /var/log/lightdm/seat0-greeter.log > ** (lightdm-gtk-greeter:1069): WARNING **: [PIDs] Failed to terminate > process #1104: No such process > I have added some more debugging code to lightdm-greeter.c and recompiled. > And I have discovered something somewhere else is starting > at-spi2-bus-launcher even before lightdm-gtk-greeter does it. > On arch linux it's working as it should. So either this is really a nasty > lightdm-gtk-greeter bug or something else is also starting at-spi. > > I'm looking more into it hopefully I'll be able to find what's the issue. Hopefully you won't have to ;) I have reviewed the lightdm-gtk-greeter packages I built and realized that in one of them I had applied Samuel's patch, but also set the configure option --disable-at-spi-command... So I have rebuilt it without this option, and now gdm and LXDE speak. I will upload all the stuff in a few minutes so you can check by yourself. Thanks for your help, I look forward for your future contributions to Slint. Samuel, thanks a lot for the patch! 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What does it address? On Arch linux lightdm 1.24 and lightdm-gtk-greeter are working without aplying additional patches. Greetings Peter D=C5=88a 2. 11. 2017 10:56 PM pou=C5=BE=C3=ADvate=C4=BE "Didier Spaier" nap=C3=ADsal: > Hello, > > Le 02/11/2017 =C3=A0 22:40, Peter V=C3=A1gner a =C3=A9crit : > > Yes I have moved a bit further. > > lightdm user has not been created when installing these packages. So I'= ve > > created it manually and I do have lightdm running. > > > > When exiting a greeter session either when logging in or when killing > > lightdm, I do have something like this inside > > /var/log/lightdm/seat0-greeter.log > > ** (lightdm-gtk-greeter:1069): WARNING **: [PIDs] Failed to terminate > > process #1104: No such process > > I have added some more debugging code to lightdm-greeter.c and > recompiled. > > And I have discovered something somewhere else is starting > > at-spi2-bus-launcher even before lightdm-gtk-greeter does it. > > On arch linux it's working as it should. So either this is really a nas= ty > > lightdm-gtk-greeter bug or something else is also starting at-spi. > > > > I'm looking more into it hopefully I'll be able to find what's the issu= e. > > Hopefully you won't have to ;) > > I have reviewed the lightdm-gtk-greeter packages I built and realized > that in one of them I had applied Samuel's patch, but also set the > configure option --disable-at-spi-command... > > So I have rebuilt it without this option, and now gdm and LXDE speak. > > I will upload all the stuff in a few minutes so you can check by > yourself. > > Thanks for your help, I look forward for your future contributions to > Slint. > > Samuel, thanks a lot for the patch! > > Greetings, > > Didier > > > --001a1143b00af0989b055d074a84 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello,

Where is the Samuel's patch? What does it address?
On Arch linux lightdm 1.24 and lightdm-gtk-greeter are working without aply= ing additional patches.

Greetings

Peter


D=C5=88a 2. 11. 2= 017 10:56 PM pou=C5=BE=C3=ADvate=C4=BE "Didier Spaier" <didier@slint.fr> nap=C3=ADsal:
Hello,

Le 02/11/2017 =C3=A0 22:40, Peter V=C3=A1gner a =C3=A9crit :
> Yes I have moved a bit further.
> lightdm user has not been created when installing these packages. So I= 've
> created it manually and I do have lightdm running.
>
> When exiting a greeter session either when logging in or when killing<= br> > lightdm, I do have something like this inside
> /var/log/lightdm/seat0-greeter.log
> ** (lightdm-gtk-greeter:1069): WARNING **: [PIDs] Failed to terminate<= br> > process #1104: No such process
> I have added some more debugging code to lightdm-greeter.c and recompi= led.
> And I have discovered something somewhere else is starting
> at-spi2-bus-launcher even before lightdm-gtk-greeter does it.
> On arch linux it's working as it should. So either this is really = a nasty
> lightdm-gtk-greeter bug or something else is also starting at-spi.
>
> I'm looking more into it hopefully I'll be able to find what&#= 39;s the issue.

Hopefully you won't have to ;)

I have reviewed the lightdm-gtk-greeter packages I built and realized
that in one of them I had applied Samuel's patch, but also set the
configure option --disable-at-spi-command...

So I have rebuilt it without this option, and now gdm and LXDE speak.

I will upload all the stuff in a few minutes so you can check by
yourself.

Thanks for your help, I look forward for your future contributions to
Slint.

Samuel, thanks a lot for the patch!

Greetings,

Didier


--001a1143b00af0989b055d074a84-- From didier@slint.fr Thu Nov 2 22:36:03 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D0B876219 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 22:36:03 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.79 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.79 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OEA4BLh_Jd1m for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 22:35:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.des.jabatus.fr (mail.des.jabatus.fr [109.234.163.32]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A57727623D for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 22:35:22 +0000 (UTC) X-MailPropre-MailScanner-From: didier@slint.fr X-MailPropre-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.101, required 5, autolearn=disabled, DKIM_SIGNED 0.10, URIBL_BLOCKED 0.00) X-MailPropre-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailPropre-MailScanner-ID: A83806710CEBF.A9920 X-MailPropre-MailScanner-Information: Message sortant - Serveurs o2switch DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=slint.fr; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:From:References:Cc:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=8GxrUovU6HmhgJ6Y3iqdLFIsZ0twkvSBaXRttD8NcYU=; b=AFvWYDagwWZqC2CmhvfJ5GnH7K EVESOMLruYL1OnFQINhNjo2Hh9PyPpL3qSPyN3/AitD9SVK28Yk/cqoWrPCupzc5sejVxGRIo6kUR wbjPhWxdXTLPlGilqn1KXG+ZrSYERb7/3XxcIyoKA1FuPG7Zj0poy5SU2ckfZyIs+ic8=; To: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=c3=a1gner?= Cc: Samuel Thibault , orca-list , Jude DaShiell References: <20171102141853.lqmxvux3n33hwccm@var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr> <20171102152837.uilwm4cl3wg75kad@var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr> <20171102160244.kf42pqyzwzlrpqeo@var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr> <96690b69-9896-593b-77ea-a07e4122ff1a@slint.fr> <1fa57d6b-934f-ea16-8fc8-40b57fac5168@slint.fr> From: Didier Spaier Message-ID: <348fae68-4248-d6c1-448c-c85d11894f91@slint.fr> Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 23:35:17 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - fox.o2switch.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - slint.fr X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: fox.o2switch.net: authenticated_id: didier@slint.fr X-Authenticated-Sender: fox.o2switch.net: didier@slint.fr X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [orca-list] Can't get Orca start in a graphical environment started X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2017 22:36:03 -0000 Hello, Le 02/11/2017 à 23:13, Peter Vágner a écrit : > Where is the Samuel's patch? What does it address? > On Arch linux lightdm 1.24 and lightdm-gtk-greeter are working without > aplying additional patches. I have uploaded the stuff here: http://slint.fr/testing/ The patch is here: http://slint.fr/testing/lightdm-gtk-greeter/kill-at-spi-bus-before-starting-user-session.diff What does it address is indicated in this comment: https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm/+bug/1366534/comments/16 You can install the two packages using either upgradepkg or spkg -u After that, run dotnew or dotnew-gtk and choose to replace the previous lightdm.conf by the new one. Also you can copy this file http://slint.fr/testing/lightdm-gtk-greeter/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf to /etc/lightdm (I didn't succeed with yours). To rebuild a package, just edit package.SlackBuild as you see fit and run: fakeroot sh package.SlackBuild Greetings, Didier PS I didn't upload the files to slackware.uk because that would need to make a partial rsync and I don't want to risk a mistake in the command. 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[180.150.5.231]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v85sm7313473pfi.71.2017.11.02.15.56.48 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Thu, 02 Nov 2017 15:56:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2017 09:56:46 +1100 From: Luke Yelavich To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20171102225646.GA6002@buffalo.yelavich.home> References: <20171102152837.uilwm4cl3wg75kad@var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr> <20171102160244.kf42pqyzwzlrpqeo@var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr> <96690b69-9896-593b-77ea-a07e4122ff1a@slint.fr> <1fa57d6b-934f-ea16-8fc8-40b57fac5168@slint.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Can't get Orca start in a graphical environment started X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2017 22:57:33 -0000 On Fri, Nov 03, 2017 at 08:40:43AM AEDT, Peter Vgner wrote: > I have added some more debugging code to lightdm-greeter.c and recompiled. > And I have discovered something somewhere else is starting > at-spi2-bus-launcher even before lightdm-gtk-greeter does it. Its likely that systemd is starting it via dbus activation. May I suggest trying the patch that can be extracted from the linked bzr branch for lightdm-gtk-greeter at https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1670933 and see if that helps. Unfortunately this patch is not yet upstream, but Fedora is carrying it. Luke From didier@slint.fr Thu Nov 2 23:27:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53C1C764D8 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 23:27:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.79 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.79 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Lv0fnI0e49gG for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 23:26:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.senat.jabatus.fr (mail.senat.jabatus.fr [109.234.163.56]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7871F76211 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 23:26:52 +0000 (UTC) X-MailPropre-MailScanner-From: didier@slint.fr X-MailPropre-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (cached, score=0.101, required 5, autolearn=disabled, DKIM_SIGNED 0.10, URIBL_BLOCKED 0.00) X-MailPropre-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailPropre-MailScanner-ID: 4E587671C8795.A57D7 X-MailPropre-MailScanner-Information: Message sortant - Serveurs o2switch DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=slint.fr; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:Cc:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=Nnw++b3TJhVa0Z3OYnjbzOXKVfujnT14swTLPHE2wgg=; b=WZUlRQscX69gjWVB3M2jCFnt7R wL4Ak9C2w1McAk62jKoGjQtsTohp9tYf90DHskKZQUEucZLr79TS5VKtsPIdxP610SpcEuqLQI01o yqJsPvRw1R4pW5o0OhbCYWCwgT8bWELPmzilWashkiBDFu7Sf6zDwfjKk1BbKZw3nYss=; To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20171102152837.uilwm4cl3wg75kad@var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr> <20171102160244.kf42pqyzwzlrpqeo@var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr> <96690b69-9896-593b-77ea-a07e4122ff1a@slint.fr> <1fa57d6b-934f-ea16-8fc8-40b57fac5168@slint.fr> <20171102225646.GA6002@buffalo.yelavich.home> From: Didier Spaier Message-ID: <4421df4f-261d-5ae3-b246-a35ba489b109@slint.fr> Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2017 00:26:47 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20171102225646.GA6002@buffalo.yelavich.home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - fox.o2switch.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - slint.fr X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: fox.o2switch.net: authenticated_id: didier@slint.fr X-Authenticated-Sender: fox.o2switch.net: didier@slint.fr X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [orca-list] Can't get Orca start in a graphical environment started X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2017 23:27:33 -0000 Hello, Le 02/11/2017 à 23:56, Luke Yelavich a écrit : > On Fri, Nov 03, 2017 at 08:40:43AM AEDT, Peter Vágner wrote: >> I have added some more debugging code to lightdm-greeter.c and recompiled. >> And I have discovered something somewhere else is starting >> at-spi2-bus-launcher even before lightdm-gtk-greeter does it. > > Its likely that systemd is starting it via dbus activation. May I suggest > trying the patch that can be extracted from the linked bzr branch for > lightdm-gtk-greeter at https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1670933 and see if > that helps. Thanks for your input, Luke. We could try this patch, however I don't know if it is relevant for Slint as we don't user systemd. A least Samuel's patch allows to have speech in graphical environments started by lightdm. What I don't know is the level of accessibility in, say, MATE, and I can hardly assess it by lack of experience. Peter and Jude, could you please check that? To install MATE: slapt-get -u slapt-get --install MATE I assume that the level of accessibility in MATE, XFCE or LXDE in Slint is the same when started from lightdm as going graphical from the text mode running startx, but it wouldn't hurt to check. Greetings, Didier From didier@slint.fr Thu Nov 2 23:43:47 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E9D07649D for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 23:43:47 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.79 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.79 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GyFMeGf1KboV for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 23:43:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.camps.jabatus.fr (mail.camps.jabatus.fr [109.234.163.38]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AF0AD76211 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 23:43:06 +0000 (UTC) X-MailPropre-MailScanner-From: didier@slint.fr X-MailPropre-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.101, required 5, autolearn=disabled, DKIM_SIGNED 0.10, URIBL_BLOCKED 0.00) X-MailPropre-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailPropre-MailScanner-ID: DB10A67207BBF.A76AB X-MailPropre-MailScanner-Information: Message sortant - Serveurs o2switch DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=slint.fr; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=R5Z1RJj+yykEEsc8372iPqeYx7+v0BDjHStjDzZVWxE=; b=Lxyxm9Fb5u2pKqIAJe6QNZFmjd Cyw14yPMCnJ5fInQAWi7fzHoPr9qOMUfIFmg/XP73s9dsKpvoZS6nB2RRR9ePH0cONLap7FXK6lSR YkL631J5jtbMoUPN7Kyin7nRZdadLRoVDxRMuzvIUBkVk+eMbEEB+uKUqUGnN/qa0R2c=; To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20171102152837.uilwm4cl3wg75kad@var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr> <20171102160244.kf42pqyzwzlrpqeo@var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr> <96690b69-9896-593b-77ea-a07e4122ff1a@slint.fr> <1fa57d6b-934f-ea16-8fc8-40b57fac5168@slint.fr> <20171102225646.GA6002@buffalo.yelavich.home> <4421df4f-261d-5ae3-b246-a35ba489b109@slint.fr> From: Didier Spaier Message-ID: <49a3eeba-62bf-fb9c-d82b-6f42b7d5fa0b@slint.fr> Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2017 00:43:02 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4421df4f-261d-5ae3-b246-a35ba489b109@slint.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - fox.o2switch.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - slint.fr X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: fox.o2switch.net: authenticated_id: didier@slint.fr X-Authenticated-Sender: fox.o2switch.net: didier@slint.fr X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [orca-list] Can't get Orca start in a graphical environment started X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2017 23:43:47 -0000 Le 03/11/2017 à 00:26, Didier Spaier a écrit : > slapt-get --install MATE Please read instead: slapt-get --install-set mate. From jdashiel@panix.com Fri Nov 3 01:10:32 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A99F76249 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2017 01:10:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AlAtGVP0ufZm for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2017 01:10:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E6797609E for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2017 01:10:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from panix1.panix.com (panix1.panix.com [166.84.1.1]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0DE212866; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 21:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by panix1.panix.com (Postfix, from userid 20712) id 67CC014B9D; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 21:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by panix1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 630A914B98; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 21:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 21:09:58 -0400 From: Jude DaShiell To: Didier Spaier , orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <49a3eeba-62bf-fb9c-d82b-6f42b7d5fa0b@slint.fr> Message-ID: References: <20171102152837.uilwm4cl3wg75kad@var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr> <20171102160244.kf42pqyzwzlrpqeo@var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr> <96690b69-9896-593b-77ea-a07e4122ff1a@slint.fr> <1fa57d6b-934f-ea16-8fc8-40b57fac5168@slint.fr> <20171102225646.GA6002@buffalo.yelavich.home> <4421df4f-261d-5ae3-b246-a35ba489b109@slint.fr> <49a3eeba-62bf-fb9c-d82b-6f42b7d5fa0b@slint.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [orca-list] Can't get Orca start in a graphical environment started X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2017 01:10:32 -0000 Some results for slint. slapt-get --install-set mate worked. Then I ran xwmconfig to choose graphical environment and mate showed up nearly last just above twm so I moved down to mate and hit enter. I was returned to the command line prompt so hit printscreen key and typed startx to go into environment. orca did not start which was no surprise to me so I started it. Once orca was started the stuff to enable orca mate accessibility hadn't been set so I had to exit out by powering off computer and booted back in. Probably after supper I'll run those mate accessibility commands and try this again and see if I get further. Things like control-f10 didn't work either and neither did control-alt-escape. More later as I find it out and make some changes over here. I forgot I ran xwmconfig as user not as root if that will make any difference. On Fri, 3 Nov 2017, Didier Spaier wrote: > Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 19:43:02 > From: Didier Spaier > To: orca-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: [orca-list] Can't get Orca start in a graphical environment > started > > Le 03/11/2017 ? 00:26, Didier Spaier a ?crit?: > >> slapt-get --install MATE > Please read instead: > slapt-get --install-set mate. > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org -- From jdashiel@panix.com Fri Nov 3 01:51:04 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4D8A7649D for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2017 01:51:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qYDMWJdKXjCM for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2017 01:50:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0405D7621D for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2017 01:50:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from panix1.panix.com (panix1.panix.com [166.84.1.1]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9B6711904; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 21:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by panix1.panix.com (Postfix, from userid 20712) id AC6F614B9D; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 21:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by panix1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7CD714B98; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 21:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 21:50:31 -0400 From: Jude DaShiell To: Didier Spaier , orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20171102152837.uilwm4cl3wg75kad@var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr> <20171102160244.kf42pqyzwzlrpqeo@var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr> <96690b69-9896-593b-77ea-a07e4122ff1a@slint.fr> <1fa57d6b-934f-ea16-8fc8-40b57fac5168@slint.fr> <20171102225646.GA6002@buffalo.yelavich.home> <4421df4f-261d-5ae3-b246-a35ba489b109@slint.fr> <49a3eeba-62bf-fb9c-d82b-6f42b7d5fa0b@slint.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [orca-list] Can't get Orca start in a graphical environment started X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2017 01:51:05 -0000 Having run the mate accessibility enabling command I started startx again and had to run orca when mate came up. I could run orca --replace and mate-terminal and mate-terminal gave me a $ prompt in a console window but outside of the terminal in g.u.i. mode I couldn't run commands that work in mate in archlinux. It's like I would run a command and get no speech back from orca. Probably it's possible to work in console on mate and while I have no problem with that many others who are not original command line interface users are about to experience serious difficulties. orca --replace did replace the screen reader but insert-space which normally enters orca preferences did not work either. On Thu, 2 Nov 2017, Jude DaShiell wrote: > Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 21:09:58 > From: Jude DaShiell > To: Didier Spaier , orca-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: [orca-list] Can't get Orca start in a graphical environment > started > > Some results for slint. slapt-get --install-set mate worked. > Then I ran xwmconfig to choose graphical environment and mate showed up > nearly last just above twm so I moved down to mate and hit enter. I was > returned to the command line prompt so hit printscreen key and typed startx > to go into environment. orca did not start which was no surprise to me so I > started it. > Once orca was started the stuff to enable orca mate accessibility hadn't been > set so I had to exit out by powering off computer and booted back in. > Probably after supper I'll run those mate accessibility commands and try this > again and see if I get further. Things like control-f10 didn't work either > and neither did control-alt-escape. More later as I find it out and make > some changes over here. > > I forgot I ran xwmconfig as user not as root if that will make any > difference. On Fri, 3 Nov 2017, Didier Spaier wrote: > >> Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 19:43:02 >> From: Didier Spaier >> To: orca-list@gnome.org >> Subject: Re: [orca-list] Can't get Orca start in a graphical environment >> started >> >> Le 03/11/2017 ? 00:26, Didier Spaier a ?crit?: >> >>> slapt-get --install MATE >> Please read instead: >> slapt-get --install-set mate. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > -- From SRS0=2N4u=CB=ens-lyon.org=Sebastien.Hinderer@bounce.ens-lyon.org Fri Nov 3 05:58:28 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 914BA7609C for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2017 05:58:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6kIQgTnHtcfA for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2017 05:57:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 303 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at restaurant.gnome.org; Fri, 03 Nov 2017 05:57:58 UTC Received: from sonata.ens-lyon.org (domu-toccata.ens-lyon.fr [140.77.166.138]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 14E44761F5 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2017 05:57:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sonata.ens-lyon.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A55C7200D0 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2017 06:52:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from sonata.ens-lyon.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (sonata.ens-lyon.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ySnz2sgBQwoT for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2017 06:52:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from pema.homeunix.org (reverse-177-225.fdn.fr [80.67.177.225]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by sonata.ens-lyon.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8DAD6200C9 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2017 06:52:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from seb by pema.homeunix.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eAUuS-0003w9-33 for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 03 Nov 2017 06:52:52 +0100 Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2017 06:52:51 +0100 From: =?utf-8?Q?Sh=C3=A9rab?= To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20171103055251.6gxuil3ftehypish@pema> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20171102152043.aeuru37ad3u36rjg@pema> <2605832f-f05c-cc03-dd10-d42da0325cbc@igalia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [orca-list] Troubles while approving GitHub pull requests in Firefox X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2017 05:58:28 -0000 Hi, Joanmarie Diggs (2017/11/02 14:11 -0400): > That was a side effect of trying to work around elements going defunct > on us. I removed that work around in master. Please test and let me know > if you notice any regressions. Thanks! So on GitHub the behaviour is indeed better -- I just approved a PR, thanks. No regression noticed yet but will let you know if it happens. What kind of regression may happen? Performance regressions, or regressions in a behaviour? Thanks, Shérab. From didier@slint.fr Fri Nov 3 08:27:39 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABFE1761F5 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2017 08:27:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.79 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.79 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QUs_gxNleMPD for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2017 08:26:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.fever.jabatus.fr (mail.fever.jabatus.fr [109.234.163.80]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 19F7276235 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2017 08:26:58 +0000 (UTC) X-MailPropre-MailScanner-From: didier@slint.fr X-MailPropre-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.101, required 5, autolearn=disabled, DKIM_SIGNED 0.10, URIBL_BLOCKED 0.00) X-MailPropre-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailPropre-MailScanner-ID: 922FE67A24437.A86AE X-MailPropre-MailScanner-Information: Message sortant - Serveurs o2switch DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=slint.fr; s=default; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:Cc:From: References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=+8UKkI2Sji4HEzssHOwhFOiNY8gxntCpwvjHMEwcqEE=; b=nVfP3a6z/kjRa6D/d+ODfm0lxc SEDmu23cW1ZOrVfuDAOGO1xmgGhURNMYWdXNWLCjdcUE4HBDnTSt4cuuy54QBYZkPB9tciBJ2zHzj KnClFQYNiQp3b1m1MH/0EGHKmAaidII2X65kZjBJlNzL2hXdRO59wLnVj99Bni7LAz44=; To: Jude DaShiell References: <20171102152837.uilwm4cl3wg75kad@var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr> <20171102160244.kf42pqyzwzlrpqeo@var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr> <96690b69-9896-593b-77ea-a07e4122ff1a@slint.fr> <1fa57d6b-934f-ea16-8fc8-40b57fac5168@slint.fr> <20171102225646.GA6002@buffalo.yelavich.home> <4421df4f-261d-5ae3-b246-a35ba489b109@slint.fr> <49a3eeba-62bf-fb9c-d82b-6f42b7d5fa0b@slint.fr> From: Didier Spaier Cc: orca-list , =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=c3=a1gner?= Message-ID: <67f9e343-8e11-2124-3467-4a445091f365@slint.fr> Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2017 09:26:53 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------5CADDCA5C30DCF2620E8C2CE" Content-Language: en-US X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - fox.o2switch.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - slint.fr X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: fox.o2switch.net: authenticated_id: didier@slint.fr X-Authenticated-Sender: fox.o2switch.net: didier@slint.fr X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [orca-list] Can't get Orca start in a graphical environment started X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2017 08:27:39 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------5CADDCA5C30DCF2620E8C2CE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, Le 03/11/2017 à 02:50, Jude DaShiell a écrit : > Having run the mate accessibility enabling command I started startx > again and had to run orca when mate came up. I could run > orca --replace and mate-terminal and mate-terminal gave me a $ prompt > in a console window but outside of the terminal in g.u.i. mode I > couldn't run commands that work in mate in archlinux. It's like I > would run a command and get no speech back from orca. Probably it's > possible to work in console on mate and while I have no problem with > that many others who are not original command line interface users are > about to experience serious difficulties. > orca --replace did replace > the screen reader but insert-space which > normally enters orca > preferences did not work either. I think that all this is due to the a11y parameters not being set in xinitrc.mate nor elsewhere. With most recent orca package they will be set in /etc/profile.d/orca.sh that should be executable (to be available in any graphical environment), and orca started by ~/.config/autostart/startorca.desktop But this is not yet uploaded, my mistake, I will do an upload later today 03 November. Meanwhile, I attach these files to this post, sorry for the inconvenience. 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Fri, 03 Nov 2017 01:32:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.49.6 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Nov 2017 01:32:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20171102152837.uilwm4cl3wg75kad@var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr> <20171102160244.kf42pqyzwzlrpqeo@var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr> <96690b69-9896-593b-77ea-a07e4122ff1a@slint.fr> <1fa57d6b-934f-ea16-8fc8-40b57fac5168@slint.fr> <20171102225646.GA6002@buffalo.yelavich.home> <4421df4f-261d-5ae3-b246-a35ba489b109@slint.fr> <49a3eeba-62bf-fb9c-d82b-6f42b7d5fa0b@slint.fr> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=C3=A1gner?= Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2017 09:32:12 +0100 Message-ID: To: Jude DaShiell Cc: Didier Spaier , orca-list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f403045ea342059a0f055d0ff151" Subject: Re: [orca-list] Can't get Orca start in a graphical environment started X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2017 08:32:37 -0000 --f403045ea342059a0f055d0ff151 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hello, A tiny word on lightdm-gtk-greeter after I have looked at all the proposed solutions I know of again: Samuel's proposal is working everywhere I would say... https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/lightdm/+bug/1366534 Luke's proposal is more universal although currently it appears to me as it is only working in conjunction with systemd https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1670933 I would say we need to find an universal solution and propose it to lightdm maintainers so it's definatelly fixed after all these attempts. Greetings Peter 2017-11-03 2:50 GMT+01:00 Jude DaShiell : > Having run the mate accessibility enabling command I started startx again > and had to run orca when mate came up. I could run orca --replace and > mate-terminal and mate-terminal gave me a $ prompt in a console window but > outside of the terminal in g.u.i. mode I couldn't run commands that work in > mate in archlinux. It's like I would run a command and get no speech back > from orca. Probably it's possible to work in console on mate and while I > have no problem with that many others who are not original command line > interface users are about to experience serious difficulties. > orca --replace did replace the screen reader but insert-space which > normally enters orca preferences did not work either. > > On Thu, 2 Nov 2017, Jude DaShiell wrote: > > Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 21:09:58 >> From: Jude DaShiell >> To: Didier Spaier , orca-list@gnome.org >> >> Subject: Re: [orca-list] Can't get Orca start in a graphical environment >> started >> >> Some results for slint. slapt-get --install-set mate worked. >> Then I ran xwmconfig to choose graphical environment and mate showed up >> nearly last just above twm so I moved down to mate and hit enter. I was >> returned to the command line prompt so hit printscreen key and typed startx >> to go into environment. orca did not start which was no surprise to me so >> I started it. >> Once orca was started the stuff to enable orca mate accessibility hadn't >> been set so I had to exit out by powering off computer and booted back in. >> Probably after supper I'll run those mate accessibility commands and try >> this again and see if I get further. Things like control-f10 didn't work >> either and neither did control-alt-escape. More later as I find it out and >> make some changes over here. >> >> I forgot I ran xwmconfig as user not as root if that will make any >> difference. On Fri, 3 Nov 2017, Didier Spaier wrote: >> >> Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 19:43:02 >>> From: Didier Spaier >>> To: orca-list@gnome.org >>> Subject: Re: [orca-list] Can't get Orca start in a graphical environment >>> started >>> >>> Le 03/11/2017 ? 00:26, Didier Spaier a ?crit?: >>> >>> slapt-get --install MATE >>>> >>> Please read instead: >>> slapt-get --install-set mate. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> >> >> >> > -- > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/g > nome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > --f403045ea342059a0f055d0ff151 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,

A tiny word on lightdm-gtk-greeter after I h= ave looked at all the proposed solutions I know of again:
Samuel's p= roposal is working everywhere I would say... https://bugs.launchpad.net/deb= ian/+source/lightdm/+bug/1366534
Luke's proposal is more univers= al although currently it appears to me as it is only working in conjunction= with systemd https://b= ugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1670933

I would say we need to find an un= iversal solution and propose it to lightdm maintainers so it's definate= lly fixed after all these attempts.

Greetings

Peter


2017-11-03 2:= 50 GMT+01:00 Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com>:
Having run the mate accessibility enabling command = I started startx again and had to run orca when mate came up.=C2=A0 I could= run orca --replace and mate-terminal and mate-terminal gave me a $ prompt = in a console window but outside of the terminal in g.u.i. mode I couldn'= ;t run commands that work in mate in archlinux.=C2=A0 It's like I would= run a command and get no speech back from orca.=C2=A0 Probably it's po= ssible to work in console on mate and while I have no problem with that man= y others who are not original command line interface users are about to exp= erience serious difficulties.
orca --replace did replace the screen reader but insert-space which normall= y enters orca preferences did not work either.

On Thu, 2 Nov 2017, Jude DaShiell wrote:

Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 21:09:58
From: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com>
To: Didier Spaier <= didier@slint.fr>, orca-list@gnome.org

Subject: Re: [orca-list] Can't get Orca start in a graphical environmen= t
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 started

Some results for slint.=C2=A0 slapt-get --install-set mate worked.
Then I ran xwmconfig to choose graphical environment and mate showed up nea= rly last just above twm so I moved down to mate and hit enter.=C2=A0 I was = returned to the command line prompt so hit printscreen key and typed startx= to go into environment.=C2=A0 orca did not start which was no surprise to = me so I started it.
Once orca was started the stuff to enable orca mate accessibility hadn'= t been set so I had to exit out by powering off computer and booted back in= . Probably after supper I'll run those mate accessibility commands and = try this again and see if I get further.=C2=A0 Things like control-f10 didn= 't work either and neither did control-alt-escape.=C2=A0 More later as = I find it out and make some changes over here.

I forgot I ran xwmconfig as user not as root if that will make any differen= ce. On Fri, 3 Nov 2017, Didier Spaier wrote:

=C2=A0Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 19:43:02
=C2=A0From: Didier Spaier <didier@slint.fr>
=C2=A0To: orca-lis= t@gnome.org
=C2=A0Subject: Re: [orca-list] Can't get Orca start in a graphical envi= ronment
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0started

=C2=A0Le 03/11/2017 ? 00:26, Didier Spaier a ?crit?:

=C2=A0slapt-get --install MATE
=C2=A0Please read instead:
=C2=A0slapt-get --install-set mate.

=C2=A0_______________________________________________
=C2=A0orca-list mailing list
=C2=A0orca-list@gn= ome.org
=C2=A0https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/= orca-list
=C2=A0Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca =C2=A0Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
=C2=A0GNOME Universal Access guide:
=C2=A0https://help.gnome.org/users/gnom= e-help/stable/a11y.html
=C2=A0Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org



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--f403045ea342059a0f055d0ff151-- From albert.e.sten_clanton@verizon.net Fri Nov 3 16:43:53 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F4D676C6E for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2017 16:43:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Uy8di6ICfy4H for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2017 16:43:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omr-a008e.mx.aol.com (omr-a008e.mx.aol.com [204.29.186.51]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 77BC77609C for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2017 16:43:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mtaout-aan02.mx.aol.com (mtaout-aan02.mx.aol.com [172.27.19.78]) by omr-a008e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id AF6AB380004C for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2017 12:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (0x5b3139322e3136382e312e365d [71.174.186.82]) by mtaout-aan02.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPA id DB8B138000084 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2017 12:43:18 -0400 (EDT) To: orca-list@gnome.org From: Al Sten-Clanton Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2017 12:43:13 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1b134e59fc9ca6194a X-AOL-IP: 71.174.186.82 Subject: [orca-list] trying to click on Verizon channel links X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2017 16:43:53 -0000 Greetings! It looks like my wife and I need to get FIOS from Verizon. The deal we're considering includes some measure of customizing the TV channels available. I'll paste the link below. (If you try it, you might need to put in a zip code, or you might get mine.) I can get a list of channels for one or more of the selections, but I can't get to any descriptions of them. I did get to brief descriptions on our Windows computer, but that's in use now and I'd like to use Debian and Orca to do this if I can. Here's the link: http://www.verizon.com/home/widget/ChannelLineUpWidgetServlet?&txid=R20171101_5430853110 I've tried several keystrokes after using g or a to get to the the "clickable" items, and I looked through Orca's key bindings list. Is there a way to do this? Thanks! Al From abhijithb21@disroot.org Sat Nov 4 10:13:07 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 015B87622D for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2017 10:13:07 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.791 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.791 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qXgXSx6lKP2Y for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2017 10:12:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 379 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at restaurant.gnome.org; Sat, 04 Nov 2017 10:12:16 UTC Received: from disroot.org (bs-one.disroot.org [178.21.23.139]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A05A276216 for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2017 10:12:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by disroot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AFEA29339 for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2017 11:05:55 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=disroot.org; s=mail; t=1509789955; bh=GOvb4T32XytnU8ZNB1/Um/01W+s+5n30HYU72tCpIxs=; h=To:From:Subject:Date:From; b=T078JgN5ZdPjYzayVMsbdakdCl85g4cM7k0/tRF0qQkv5cuARngjuITbEvI/F4aRL G9oeqwQxAt42GFlSw/EbqdVZ2tKKqGKktUQZ5WB6y/SrsUF29yZ8XUQ89+tA8RHgSc oxMhGtT1kYKK4yI7VBNTjr0TVudiwJVvfwz5Hmmk= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at disroot.org Received: from disroot.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail01.disroot.lan [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4u6BO7YMOCKT for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2017 11:05:53 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=disroot.org; s=mail; t=1509789953; bh=GOvb4T32XytnU8ZNB1/Um/01W+s+5n30HYU72tCpIxs=; h=To:From:Subject:Date:From; b=fljO1Ra7IUSDxgiyUvit4Wded6CfmdS3541zs31ke2JdVv1R3uhk7Zg2BpHCxpH2j ya4trikxVpQ+2r4oqOHsmM9kKoFeHpb2R/f9vA/fdslyT8eTOEK+M7yvCy/wOfARqe OkU6Ir2+ALgxdxSNIqMomAWRAuiqFAe5NkQRpwTs= From: abhijith Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2017 15:35:50 +0530 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: [orca-list] Indicator Applets in Mate Desktop X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2017 10:13:07 -0000 Is there any shortcut to access Indicator Applets in Mate Desktop? Orca can read them but I am clueless how to access them from keyboard? 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X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2017 12:00:25 -0000 Hello all Recently on a discussion on this list I came to know that Ubuntu has modified Gnome a bit due to which some things don't work as expect with Orca. For example I am not able to reach to the dash in Ubuntu 17.10 as far as my tests on a live pen drive go. Secondly, I get no idea if my wifi got connected after i enter password. I mean the notification that wifi has connected must be spoken like it happens in Unity. Lastly with things like wifi, I don't hear the signal strength and security status when I browse through the available access points. Does this imply that such problems on Gnome only happen in Ubuntu? If so, is there a way to correct it? I am supposed to suggest Gnome with Orca to a few people and I wish to be very sure. Happy hacking. Krishnakant.. 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And ctrl+alt+esc moves directly. Once you are on the pannel with icons you can use arrow keys and tab / shift+tab to navigate. Greetings Peter D=C5=88a 4. 11. 2017 11:13 pou=C5=BE=C3=ADvate=C4=BE "abhijith" nap=C3=ADsal: > Is there any shortcut to access Indicator Applets in Mate Desktop? Orca > can read them but I am clueless how to access them from keyboard? > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/ > gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > --089e0826d090a704a8055d288a3d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello,

Ctrl+alt+tab cycles over the content view and pannels. And c= trl+alt+esc moves directly.

Once you are on the pannel with icons you can use arrow keys= and tab / shift+tab to navigate.

Greetings

Peter


D=C5=88a 4. 11. 2= 017 11:13 pou=C5=BE=C3=ADvate=C4=BE "abhijith" <abhijithb21@disroot.org&= gt; nap=C3=ADsal:
Is= there any shortcut to access Indicator Applets in Mate Desktop? Orca
can read them but I am clueless how to access them from keyboard?
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--089e0826d090a704a8055d288a3d-- From pvdeejay@gmail.com Sat Nov 4 13:53:36 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 923AA76316 for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2017 13:53:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.887 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.887 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KwVOSHloBa_l for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2017 13:53:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f41.google.com (mail-wm0-f41.google.com [74.125.82.41]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AE8C576291 for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2017 13:53:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-f41.google.com with SMTP id r196so6182646wmf.2 for ; Sat, 04 Nov 2017 06:53:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=tptaTWaKeTpyDb5C+VYOCYq+JZaKfxknqIIRVf/aEQs=; b=WqRvyhi5/8vVXprerODHOCghjy8naKKUtTiOOgt7GjKDF8LL7iN8tkUduFiki8wFg6 ZX7IHsY/806FAZnz/Ekb6wmp8aiPCidAoyLEKZly6ToxmydaiidAtn+5VrJHNHEZar3B BAxqMuhRi0XKneqXPDFGSsbYmVGGtujwJ+tLkG1mkg4Jd3+/C1rGginvgT3PWRkuAigg 7JKOHdjQAufDXXfXe7dfnuy3WLJSJJOxvqTW/Q5IbUyn0kBLygEPEYv/A6n3X6dznbJ8 8xmVL+YbFF8iWWqzEyLwUDf9kfVqG2w37HOUns5RN9ZugA65/smAk0OevMj5SnyvefF+ Q9eQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=tptaTWaKeTpyDb5C+VYOCYq+JZaKfxknqIIRVf/aEQs=; b=b8VXrP1j6CS0FGncL2mlKDd2ESNS+0tFFM9PfZ5TV3YgCOxXWhX+6fGqSQQJG3j+Ag Z2x+yDfAyz0LxcaZmIceeRVdjulYQKyqXov5rECYP/6Lfe6TRwHGW6pCRR9MjjKDRQgC ssi1/Tqctgr7LoS5otKL0xlRa0mKhT6B22E+mnroHH9fqfYfcY7eh58bW7CuljVDzEq8 44BREk7Gvsc+GuVh3yAHMWfadzjhWh5h548jRyZt9eedHM3DkSoORWVrB3834mcEXS+i mMI+IZH0k+mSx/Bxmj5DF0KknG49HuY0Hat2s9kEi+zLqoXqn/+66YDPNxnGiBd4NuQj XG+Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX5zS3O7xAKrwsnR+mAmEuK/gNdnHE7+wVGw5b90WQUtSiqSzZQf 0voUxp3Osx6onO5/HUBv4Z3N/L5Y7M/2zfZW7Bc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+TcQxZrBsybtL4QDiW+y1l15kv8EZfa2pPk8gdHUHiRW7bclPFMHSazrM7AOhsafyg17KkYDeJTwJFMgB/jFWU= X-Received: by 10.28.161.1 with SMTP id k1mr1359055wme.68.1509803593229; Sat, 04 Nov 2017 06:53:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.49.6 with HTTP; Sat, 4 Nov 2017 06:53:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.28.49.6 with HTTP; Sat, 4 Nov 2017 06:53:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9d9d4827-42c3-245a-dd96-997767680961@riseup.net> References: <9d9d4827-42c3-245a-dd96-997767680961@riseup.net> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=C3=A1gner?= Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2017 14:53:07 +0100 Message-ID: To: Krishnakant Cc: orca-list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a114cda1edaed1a055d288a33" Subject: Re: [orca-list] can I make gnome and orca behave as per stock gnome in Ubuntu? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2017 13:53:36 -0000 --001a114cda1edaed1a055d288a33 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, Signal strenght for the wifi icon in the top bar system menu is global to gnome and it's not ubuntu specific. I think there is no connected notification. In order to see if you are connected or not, you can browse to the wifi icon again as it correctly reports its status on ubuntu and all other distros with gnome installed. I don't know about the dash on ubuntu 17.10, I will check it later. Greetings Peter D=C5=88a 4. 11. 2017 13:02 pou=C5=BE=C3=ADvate=C4=BE "Krishnakant" nap=C3=ADsal: > Hello all > > Recently on a discussion on this list I came to know that Ubuntu has > modified Gnome a bit due to which some things don't work as expect with > Orca. > > For example I am not able to reach to the dash in Ubuntu 17.10 as far as > my tests on a live pen drive go. > > Secondly, I get no idea if my wifi got connected after i enter password. > > I mean the notification that wifi has connected must be spoken like it > happens in Unity. > > Lastly with things like wifi, I don't hear the signal strength and > security status when I browse through the available access points. > > Does this imply that such problems on Gnome only happen in Ubuntu? > > If so, is there a way to correct it? > > I am supposed to suggest Gnome with Orca to a few people and I wish to be > very sure. > > Happy hacking. > > Krishnakant.. > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/g > nome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > --001a114cda1edaed1a055d288a33 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello,

Signal strenght for the wifi icon in the top bar system menu= is global to gnome and it's not ubuntu specific. I think there is no c= onnected notification. In order to see if you are connected or not, you can= browse to the wifi icon again as it correctly reports its status on ubuntu= and all other distros with gnome installed.
I don't know about the dash on ubuntu 17.10, I will check it later.

Greetings

Peter


D=C5=88a 4. 11. 2= 017 13:02 pou=C5=BE=C3=ADvate=C4=BE "Krishnakant" <kkmane@riseup.net> nap=C3=ADsal:
Hello all

Recently on a discussion on this list I came to know that Ubuntu has modifi= ed Gnome a bit due to which some things don't work as expect with Orca.=

For example I am not able to reach to the dash in Ubuntu 17.10 as far as my= tests on a live pen drive go.

Secondly, I get no idea if my wifi got connected after i enter password.
I mean the notification that wifi has connected must be spoken like it happ= ens in Unity.

Lastly with things like wifi, I don't hear the signal strength and secu= rity status when I browse through the available access points.

Does this imply that such problems on Gnome only happen in Ubuntu?

If so, is there a way to correct it?

I am supposed to suggest Gnome with Orca to a few people and I wish to be v= ery sure.

Happy hacking.

Krishnakant..

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--001a114cda1edaed1a055d288a33-- From milton@duurzaamdigitaal.org Sat Nov 4 17:41:19 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C3CB760A0 for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2017 17:41:19 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 71yVCBXfnkaN for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2017 17:40:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp3.versatel.nl (smtp3.versatel.nl [62.58.50.90]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA25176202 for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2017 17:40:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 23015 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2017 17:39:21 -0000 Received: from ip208-80-209-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl (HELO [192.168.1.10]) ([87.209.80.208]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp3.versatel.nl (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for < >; 4 Nov 2017 17:39:21 -0000 To: Krishnakant , Orca List References: <9d9d4827-42c3-245a-dd96-997767680961@riseup.net> From: Milton Message-ID: <41b93c25-d54f-15a7-cb12-95379d81587e@duurzaamdigitaal.org> Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2017 18:40:34 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9d9d4827-42c3-245a-dd96-997767680961@riseup.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: nl-BE Subject: Re: [orca-list] can I make gnome and orca behave as per stock gnome in Ubuntu? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2017 17:41:19 -0000 Hi, I tried Ubuntu 17.10 for preparing to 18.04 and out of curiosity with Orca 3.26. I found the Dash accessible with Orca. Indeed the wifi signal strength is not spoken and also the notification of being connected. I am happy to notice that GNOME2 works after installing with: sudo apt install gnome-session-flashback in this session everything is fine just like in 16.04. So maybe this can be a solution for having access to and working with the latest great stuff. Milton Op 04-11-17 om 12:59 schreef Krishnakant: > Hello all > > Recently on a discussion on this list I came to know that Ubuntu has > modified Gnome a bit due to which some things don't work as expect > with Orca. > > For example I am not able to reach to the dash in Ubuntu 17.10 as far > as my tests on a live pen drive go. > > Secondly, I get no idea if my wifi got connected after i enter password. > > I mean the notification that wifi has connected must be spoken like it > happens in Unity. > > Lastly with things like wifi, I don't hear the signal strength and > security status when I browse through the available access points. > > Does this imply that such problems on Gnome only happen in Ubuntu? > > If so, is there a way to correct it? > > I am supposed to suggest Gnome with Orca to a few people and I wish to > be very sure. > > Happy hacking. > > Krishnakant.. > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > From clgilland07@gmail.com Sun Nov 5 18:47:23 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5299D76290 for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2017 18:47:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.262 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.262 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3X6i0Si190uE for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2017 18:47:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yw0-f172.google.com (mail-yw0-f172.google.com [209.85.161.172]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E1CD376232 for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2017 18:47:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yw0-f172.google.com with SMTP id t71so6210150ywc.3 for ; Sun, 05 Nov 2017 10:47:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=message-id:from:to:subject:date:mime-version; bh=aNpxNMSnWbROTUndZFoBQ1W3PYzIvgqjNCy/1iHOuHs=; b=BpjGGMzWIt79F8jn/nZxSSM7SM3Z2rtgVm+GLljXiVsrQ9qmrAxszdabaJTEU+DJLL OJqJc7vi9zs/8qSimk8bxJ7wrtOQuFKXpGkyoutDPVSkJ0ngcBlGx6IKg66AoBklyedL 34SBz1fRZ/KiSZ7yuTGu7p0bxVbuO6CcKM7ctWoahIdE8uFsGVfB0fyXPS4RsEQ1WTay C+uRoH/o+CP/8n31Av3DrmT9+nYinV925Eh/Nj4lfjrhV/m9f19ZbRI01tPvQCITMqgZ HWVPEplIbSMCRkRbQFlZLHacGsoqDvFBs7fUKor+dJluM8byf1IAkAfDIEKWdTxWlgDc y6dw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:from:to:subject:date:mime-version; bh=aNpxNMSnWbROTUndZFoBQ1W3PYzIvgqjNCy/1iHOuHs=; b=QWOKmeAw3XPT4WbVswoax166ob0J2XUiVZznqsqBKViSgyqjv4zIB8lYUv0K3idiRj H6+8By8O269ubrmwTY/0TCfKIx2V+tULrk9i79e19Rqj2DNUwtLgW+DqNRT+PXH66sjY wlzJdZVlFTCjrJ/lXsj81ImS5Eu3xiWdihJcsn6gHly9IjALLpV9UNUV/rqmSNW/mk8r kgG4RHaQKSW8q21/Kh/xHcS/tg9wLFQMj8gGwIGcYLUW7Is4GQaGkS6s7lY9R23piILf MMHYPTz9h2W2akIfjTVYTvWRSW0NFtDvhToebYqb4tXP8yLRerD/4PAmEdbWDMbHJyW4 w43A== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaWmH2SLPIQEdXtXQm8NG4ZFnhPtRSf8my8vQzHBqaxwzN+Xsgcj XQAxHsujngBBGVzY3HvIW8OWWw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+Rk+iPClCDqhgLIFUMUS8U3mlqAO/3HxE4WtpwWQqQ7BshzzKzaEk9LIZ7fLXLMb2oeHOsxSw== X-Received: by 10.129.26.208 with SMTP id a199mr8155370ywa.280.1509907620403; Sun, 05 Nov 2017 10:47:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mygateway (cpe-172-72-160-226.carolina.res.rr.com. [172.72.160.226]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u134sm5140345ywg.11.2017.11.05.10.46.59 for (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 05 Nov 2017 10:46:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3A74ECC47CFD4122BF40E47E1478D6CB@mygateway> From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" To: Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2017 13:46:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01D3563C.885A92A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.7349 Subject: [orca-list] Maximizing windows automatically. Is this possible? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2017 18:47:23 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01D3563C.885A92A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have Ubuntu 17.04 with the Gnome desktop. Basically, what I'm wanting to do is, I want it so that any time I = launch an app, regardless what it is, be it GEdit, Gnome-Terminal, = whatever, I want the app to automatically be maximized when I first = launch it. This way I don't have to keep hitting alt+Space, then down = arrowing to, and hitting enter on maximize. I want it to just simply do = it for me each time. Is there a configuration file or maybe a command, or a setting somewhere = in Gnome, either of the 3, that would let us do this? 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I have Ubuntu 17.04 with the Gnome=20 desktop.
 
Basically, what I'm wanting to do is, I = want it so=20 that any time I launch an app, regardless what it is, be it GEdit,=20 Gnome-Terminal, whatever, I want the app to automatically be maximized = when I=20 first launch it. This way I don't have to keep hitting alt+Space, then = down=20 arrowing to, and hitting enter on maximize. I want it to just simply do = it for=20 me each time.
 
Is there a configuration file or maybe = a command,=20 or a setting somewhere in Gnome, either of the 3, that would let us do = this? If=20 so, step by step directions would be appreciated.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0003_01D3563C.885A92A0-- From didier@slint.fr Sun Nov 5 23:03:58 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A83576290 for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2017 23:03:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.79 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.79 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EuBUUF_KXa9F for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2017 23:03:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.les.jabatus.fr (mail.les.jabatus.fr [109.234.163.26]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B59FD76232 for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2017 23:03:17 +0000 (UTC) X-MailPropre-MailScanner-From: didier@slint.fr X-MailPropre-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.101, required 5, autolearn=disabled, DKIM_SIGNED 0.10, URIBL_BLOCKED 0.00) X-MailPropre-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailPropre-MailScanner-ID: 367E46AC9CE45.A7135 X-MailPropre-MailScanner-Information: Message sortant - Serveurs o2switch DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=slint.fr; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date: Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID:Content-Description: Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID: In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=anSd62/UQPKLiAK4C1K4M3UVIwusdM8cVcjN2a5Cghk=; b=Kxm/HdoQLBJ+J5K41YXkfB9W4a JVYlYyMaNvuz8UPRAtOiJXi3N4dpS3EDNJfh2Gw14ewfCYktWzybLSlrJ9m4dKQ/ZtqVRe1bjiM3V wpQ1+SxSUT9s/wxz6LKCbIh8tpZdF4PF8eudCs7wTiZJgeMCmKzX3syKNAMf1KucaVhw=; To: orca-list@gnome.org From: Didier Spaier Message-ID: <406a6f79-5dea-514b-d6a5-93a7a0abbf40@slint.fr> Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2017 00:03:12 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - fox.o2switch.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - slint.fr X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: fox.o2switch.net: authenticated_id: didier@slint.fr X-Authenticated-Sender: fox.o2switch.net: didier@slint.fr X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: [orca-list] lightdm not speaking if pulseaudio is started sydtem wide X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2017 23:03:58 -0000 Hello, I am trying to include lightdm in upcoming Slint64-14.2.1. But if pulseaudio is started system wide, which I need to provide speech both in text and graphical modes, lightdm doesn't speak. However, as I checked running htop in tty2, orca is started by lightm-gtk-greeter, with the same layout of processes as when pulseaudio is not started, in which case lightdm speaks. The issue is only with lightdm, I have speech in the session it starts. I am probably missing the obvious and I assume that's a PEBCAK case, but still I am out of idea, as an internet search about this specific issue came empty. I am under the impression that it had spoken then ceased to speak but am unable to find which change could ĥave caused this regression. So I'd be glad to any clue, thing to check or how to investigate. Greetings, Didier From dahunt@posteo.de Sun Nov 5 23:06:16 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87ED676290 for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2017 23:06:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.202 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.202 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h5WPuJeTHQmm for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2017 23:05:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout02.posteo.de (mout02.posteo.de [185.67.36.66]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 488A376287 for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2017 23:05:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DC5BA20A39 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2017 00:05:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3yVWWT2w3rz105R for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2017 00:05:40 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list From: David Hunt Message-ID: Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2017 18:05:39 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: [orca-list] Trouble getting Braille from Orbit XX and Ubuntu 17.10 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2017 23:06:16 -0000 I have the brltty service enabled, and the Orbit's usb connection enabled in the HID mode, as suggested in the manual for the device.  I enabled braille support in orca, as well.  On rebooting the machine, with the braille unit running and connected, no braille ever appears on display.  In case it matters, I have the Orbit's emulation enabled; this mode is supposed to make the Orbit be recognized as a Refreshabraile 18. Any ideas? -Dave  Hunt From didier@slint.fr Sun Nov 5 23:29:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83B767606E for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2017 23:29:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.79 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.79 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KzNO1317ym3u for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2017 23:28:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.leader.jabatus.fr (mail.leader.jabatus.fr [109.234.163.55]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B818176287 for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2017 23:28:59 +0000 (UTC) X-MailPropre-MailScanner-From: didier@slint.fr X-MailPropre-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.101, required 5, autolearn=disabled, DKIM_SIGNED 0.10, URIBL_BLOCKED 0.00) X-MailPropre-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailPropre-MailScanner-ID: BBE056ACDE906.A9667 X-MailPropre-MailScanner-Information: Message sortant - Serveurs o2switch DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=slint.fr; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=yZSzChgr0o2zzkA5DJA314JzUFbc49yFytly5bwWjl8=; b=OZgQ6u5ssTy1iH7tuQdSwqOFO8 pudgmaXO8wd7N8AoFUWY+F40nMV+aj/ACn+8jSznLUUgmRhSHuGJB8XvMx4SlFXlFDaMhtIdOuQ30 SsJd5ufTk78kIHWt3UcgHe6l0hWmFj/p4DSylC69xuJiZGxI1fd5YBLigVG5r6+Ro2Vg=; To: orca-list@gnome.org References: From: Didier Spaier Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2017 00:28:54 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - fox.o2switch.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - slint.fr X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: fox.o2switch.net: authenticated_id: didier@slint.fr X-Authenticated-Sender: fox.o2switch.net: didier@slint.fr X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [orca-list] Trouble getting Braille from Orbit XX and Ubuntu 17.10 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2017 23:29:40 -0000 Hello, Le 06/11/2017 à 00:05, David Hunt a écrit : > I have the brltty service enabled, and the Orbit's usb connection > enabled in the HID mode, as suggested in the manual for the device. > I enabled braille support in orca, as well. On rebooting the > machine, with the braille unit running and connected, no braille ever > appears on display. In case it matters, I have the Orbit's emulation > enabled; this mode is supposed to make the Orbit be recognized as a > Refreshabraile 18. Caveat: I don't know Ubuntu nor the specific stuff you mention. Still some generic hints, that's all I can propose. In brltty.conf, is one of the following lines un-commented? #api-parameters Auth=keyfile:/etc/brlapi.key # Require authentication key #api-parameters Auth=user:joe # Allow some local user #api-parameters Auth=group:brl # Allow some local group #api-parameters Auth=polkit # authenticate via Polkit #api-parameters Host=:0 # Accept only local Unix connections #api-parameters Host=0.0.0.0:0 # Accept any internet connection. If not, a keyfile is the default. Then: Do you have a file /etc/brlapi.key? What are its owner and permissions? For instance here it is owned by root:braille and 0640, which makes it accessible by the members of the group braille. Also, do you have all needed packages installed? For instance in Unbuntu I see that the Python bindings for brltty are shipped in a separate package named python3-brlapi. Greetings, Didier From kkmane@riseup.net Mon Nov 6 05:37:19 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3315D762D2 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2017 05:37:19 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.791 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.791 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id teJ7sF70ZSoa for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2017 05:36:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D87B276287 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2017 05:36:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from piha.riseup.net (unknown [10.0.1.163]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8C1351A08BC; Sun, 5 Nov 2017 21:36:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1509946596; bh=U2YgrSITMzxZJGv8DZ+8/y0oatvxGP/JqihyFX8nshk=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=M0h781gpMoxLd3Z0M9RvsTLYaQBnrQGsReXIX+nGAIXsiFYdTuxn2Layw1sECuzmR n1JiCAMArjnzg/FTLKSm0iuM6beFaD3CJdSTh05W/xZRXMpgXJmHU7FDxdcQzxBAcw RdR4RonFA/qQETY0eYaeV3B9cnV6scoWBGFOjj2Y= X-Riseup-User-ID: EE3D6A79F809C8B0D246DAE7445FF669297283FEED7B79A074E3E9E77BD39901 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by piha.riseup.net with ESMTPSA id 4597E222359; Sun, 5 Nov 2017 21:36:33 -0800 (PST) To: Milton , Orca List References: <9d9d4827-42c3-245a-dd96-997767680961@riseup.net> <41b93c25-d54f-15a7-cb12-95379d81587e@duurzaamdigitaal.org> From: Krishnakant Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2017 11:06:18 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <41b93c25-d54f-15a7-cb12-95379d81587e@duurzaamdigitaal.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] can I make gnome and orca behave as per stock gnome in Ubuntu? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2017 05:37:19 -0000 On Saturday 04 November 2017 11:10 PM, Milton wrote: > Hi, > > > I tried Ubuntu 17.10 for preparing to 18.04 and out of curiosity with > Orca 3.26. > > I found the Dash accessible with Orca. > > Indeed the wifi signal strength is not spoken and also the > notification of being connected. > > > I am happy to notice that GNOME2 works after installing with: > > sudo apt install gnome-session-flashback > > in this session everything is fine just like in 16.04. So maybe this > can be a solution for having access to and working with the latest > great stuff. > I tryed Gnome flashback too. But there was only one improvement as far as the wifi is concerned. it does tell me the signal strength and secured status. But Notification of it being connected or not is not announced. I think Gnome-shell accessibility team must take due notice, because Apart from such trivial issues, gnome itself looks pretty accessible and can be used full-time. Just that such irritants must go away. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. From kkmane@riseup.net Mon Nov 6 05:40:03 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 378F1762C3 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2017 05:40:03 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.791 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.791 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B3zLSrfJZ4du for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2017 05:39:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E09B176287 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2017 05:39:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from piha.riseup.net (unknown [10.0.1.163]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 080A01A0900; Sun, 5 Nov 2017 21:39:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1509946761; bh=eUqJZAZnmwkcbaANQEr63qqLd+neaFpua3GbuXXTdy4=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=eGjlhYB1nEshD4obYGvKJeVYpdlk90RVgeSSNcr2UYNE2bdlG53NyKu2wM+1idLm7 TGnBube9hEHF0M8EwFTAeu1CdeT3wS/ivMFSUJ5YPO09UZURjjjAU8dFplm0BwjtoQ HvK+aINaKS5Ohkz7I9m+U3uHu8GUSSuTTotocRug= X-Riseup-User-ID: FE753FF1053A85108577370A9592D17F74FC18032232E140870422AC6C938184 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by piha.riseup.net with ESMTPSA id 08143223538; Sun, 5 Nov 2017 21:39:19 -0800 (PST) To: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=c3=a1gner?= Cc: orca-list References: <9d9d4827-42c3-245a-dd96-997767680961@riseup.net> From: Krishnakant Message-ID: <5fb72c36-5e0f-64f4-64af-a3fc9312fecb@riseup.net> Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2017 11:09:12 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] can I make gnome and orca behave as per stock gnome in Ubuntu? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2017 05:40:03 -0000 On Saturday 04 November 2017 07:23 PM, Peter Vágner wrote: > > Hello, > > Signal strenght for the wifi icon in the top bar system menu is global > to gnome and it's not ubuntu specific. I think there is no connected > notification. In order to see if you are connected or not, you can > browse to the wifi icon again as it correctly reports its status on > ubuntu and all other distros with gnome installed. > This is tedious and not very comfortable. I hope such issues will be taken care soon before 18.04 LTS comes out. > I don't know about the dash on ubuntu 17.10, I will check it later. > > I guesss I might be doing some thing wrong as a few users are already > able to access it. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. From pvdeejay@gmail.com Mon Nov 6 06:01:41 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 942F77609D for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2017 06:01:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.887 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.887 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zOYR1i5oRDRm for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2017 06:01:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f48.google.com (mail-wm0-f48.google.com [74.125.82.48]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C9BA4762C3 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2017 06:01:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-f48.google.com with SMTP id r68so11363776wmr.1 for ; Sun, 05 Nov 2017 22:01:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=G5DvP4CalJK9/wbJb2TCMXCUsKnXVkpdDE3oaw6YhN0=; b=XD4a//Tq7ZPJzt01AyRxjaL9C0PVXWzRh20rieNuKtVT/9WVa2Rjqr7NTLt3x1Zj8D atSe7HUrknxVEMspeMPlvzEhRPIox27lRMetsQQ2sAc5q5c3mv8jXveFhP+kAyXD3zoQ /x72Ssn2ZJ5VdAs6iUVkFo09wPjq9MR3bynbD+p191ZwlHRI2vkWK895AvdblVwMC9zG r/K2tC1Wse++FJoVrbVn9PJkENUO1xcwRyLgCocGKWn8A07FVMd4MCscoRv0vWZcqJKC lY1WEtPPNGl5FlVBUJyjiLSdN2cYy+Ib17m8WlIcYgluUiHUqXg3pjBmyLVRKws9ePxH EekA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=G5DvP4CalJK9/wbJb2TCMXCUsKnXVkpdDE3oaw6YhN0=; b=YnAXRO+3JGqRDVAuayWcx80GBG2DGOuTXK4Dlc5LF0mH+PmRXCIIZ7zTMQo6Pa/SRN kXGxEGohpwP6cyglut4Y8+WGSKxg/J5DxExS/quSuLgYDCtan5NTQrBEfO3erXcYPGu7 oTsHahTgZSkMwhEp0+3493seLqbxKGFIusE3LKxi0Xwe8AvVYfNvdkzwyLnccOF+ockt NV9WXyhbTNcxRUZqtGL7dAowd0Wx+9E8emN325NxxollTHoHkbd1QobaFWeZpCA3kWfS kIs33iHiSFeKmj2PR/9TWn2hd2xvBMiZvR67LcDel2QgzG6Ayw/O4+g7lR4z8palKf9S fknw== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX515UXeqnkrJw7CDezb7tMk93hF12gDY0SSM5ry/PVaeRQI8viN k2YayKq3AGGPeZ8KOZUKCop33nDrfpgYufq80mE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+SJ5p5T8H17XmteUodIjjVNVhO8+VP7duFeTeM56CyoX6YBm07nkUYPCwCfZECH8CV8VhLf1bYPLfNXszQ3GzU= X-Received: by 10.28.211.213 with SMTP id k204mr268408wmg.68.1509948077889; Sun, 05 Nov 2017 22:01:17 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.49.6 with HTTP; Sun, 5 Nov 2017 22:01:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.28.49.6 with HTTP; Sun, 5 Nov 2017 22:01:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <406a6f79-5dea-514b-d6a5-93a7a0abbf40@slint.fr> References: <406a6f79-5dea-514b-d6a5-93a7a0abbf40@slint.fr> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=C3=A1gner?= Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2017 07:01:16 +0100 Message-ID: To: Didier Spaier Cc: orca-list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a11470f5acfe078055d4a2efc" Subject: Re: [orca-list] lightdm not speaking if pulseaudio is started sydtem wide X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2017 06:01:41 -0000 --001a11470f5acfe078055d4a2efc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I've added lightdm user into audio group that made sound working inside a greeter session on my slint install. I think slint is one of the very few if not only one to run pulseaudio system wide. I don't know if we might be able to reliably kill the pulse audio on logout by using its init script to allow it to run in user mode though. Greetings Peter D=C5=88a 6. 11. 2017 12:04 AM pou=C5=BE=C3=ADvate=C4=BE "Didier Spaier" nap=C3=ADsal: > Hello, > > I am trying to include lightdm in upcoming Slint64-14.2.1. > > But if pulseaudio is started system wide, which I need to provide speech > both in text and graphical modes, lightdm doesn't speak. However, as I > checked running htop in tty2, orca is started by lightm-gtk-greeter, > with the same layout of processes as when pulseaudio is not started, in > which case lightdm speaks. > > The issue is only with lightdm, I have speech in the session it starts. > > I am probably missing the obvious and I assume that's a PEBCAK case, but > still I am out of idea, as an internet search about this specific issue > came empty. > > I am under the impression that it had spoken then ceased to speak but am > unable to find which change could =C4=A5ave caused this regression. > > So I'd be glad to any clue, thing to check or how to investigate. > > Greetings, > > Didier > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/ > gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org --001a11470f5acfe078055d4a2efc Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello,

I've added lightdm user into audio group that made sound= working inside a greeter session on my slint install.
I think slint is one of the very few if not only one to run pulseaudio syst= em wide.
I don't know if we might be able to reliably kill the pulse audio on lo= gout by using its init script to allow it to run in user mode though.

Greetings

Peter


D=C5=88a 6. 11. 2= 017 12:04 AM pou=C5=BE=C3=ADvate=C4=BE "Didier Spaier" <didier@slint.fr> nap=C3=ADsal:
Hello,

I am trying to include lightdm in upcoming Slint64-14.2.1.

But if pulseaudio is started system wide, which I need to provide speech both in text and graphical modes, lightdm doesn't speak. However, as I<= br> checked running htop in tty2, orca is started by lightm-gtk-greeter,
with the same layout of processes as when pulseaudio is not started, in
which case lightdm speaks.

The issue is only with lightdm, I have speech in the session it starts.

I am probably missing the obvious and I assume that's a PEBCAK case, bu= t
still I am out of idea, as an internet search about this specific issue
came empty.

I am under the impression that it had spoken then ceased to speak but am unable to find which change could =C4=A5ave caused this regression.

So I'd be glad to any clue, thing to check or how to investigate.

Greetings,

Didier
_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list@gnome.org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-l= ist
Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/= stable/
GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.g= nome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
--001a11470f5acfe078055d4a2efc-- From didier@slint.fr Mon Nov 6 08:03:08 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF74B76316 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2017 08:03:08 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.79 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.79 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P-Zqgk7uGAs0 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2017 08:02:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.comprehension.jabatus.fr (mail.comprehension.jabatus.fr [109.234.163.96]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC880762C3 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2017 08:02:26 +0000 (UTC) X-MailPropre-MailScanner-From: didier@slint.fr X-MailPropre-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.101, required 5, autolearn=disabled, DKIM_SIGNED 0.10, URIBL_BLOCKED 0.00) X-MailPropre-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailPropre-MailScanner-ID: 56F9B6B1AC211.A80ED X-MailPropre-MailScanner-Information: Message sortant - Serveurs o2switch DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=slint.fr; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:From:References:Cc:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=qvVo0kAWCdd8EWnprVjATbgG+NtJttVkLjTo9M7SOvY=; b=KUJXTPlu+x8VVZ9EFCZl3eP0wP r9UG9YynTc+mxnyTdsIadvaMqQgpklyg8zVQ3GYwQ7bz/O094vdFGk60FS5syO8f9Ho2DbyIsxi17 hUSmiSv36wQK1YfnFKt58cxAtoZSbJbZJwbQFR5bfJ//r7uKzlamj2cJP468cMiAq8OM=; To: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=c3=a1gner?= Cc: orca-list References: <406a6f79-5dea-514b-d6a5-93a7a0abbf40@slint.fr> From: Didier Spaier Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2017 09:02:21 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - fox.o2switch.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - slint.fr X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: fox.o2switch.net: authenticated_id: didier@slint.fr X-Authenticated-Sender: fox.o2switch.net: didier@slint.fr X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [orca-list] lightdm not speaking if pulseaudio is started sydtem wide X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2017 08:03:08 -0000 Hello Le 06/11/2017 à 07:01, Peter Vágner a écrit : > I've added lightdm user into audio group that made sound working inside a > greeter session on my slint install. It worked here as well, indeed. So that was actually a PEBCAK case! Thanks Peter. > I think slint is one of the very few if not only one to run pulseaudio > system wide. > I don't know if we might be able to reliably kill the pulse audio on logout > by using its init script to allow it to run in user mode though. Maybe, but we would need to handle runlevel 3 as well as 4, in other words using lightdm as well as using startx. Or, we could try using alsa directly as other distributions do. But I would need help to do that properly, as I am not acquainted with the audio subsystems. On the other hand I have asked on the brltty mailing list if there was a high security risk in starting pulseaudio system wide, and was answered "not very big", cf. these posts: https://brltty.com/pipermail/brltty/2017-September/015255.html https://brltty.com/pipermail/brltty/2017-September/015257.html What do you think? Greetings, Didier > Greetings > > Peter > > Dňa 6. 11. 2017 12:04 AM používateľ "Didier Spaier" > napísal: > >> Hello, >> >> I am trying to include lightdm in upcoming Slint64-14.2.1. >> >> But if pulseaudio is started system wide, which I need to provide speech >> both in text and graphical modes, lightdm doesn't speak. However, as I >> checked running htop in tty2, orca is started by lightm-gtk-greeter, >> with the same layout of processes as when pulseaudio is not started, in >> which case lightdm speaks. >> >> The issue is only with lightdm, I have speech in the session it starts. >> >> I am probably missing the obvious and I assume that's a PEBCAK case, but >> still I am out of idea, as an internet search about this specific issue >> came empty. >> >> I am under the impression that it had spoken then ceased to speak but am >> unable to find which change could ĥave caused this regression. >> >> So I'd be glad to any clue, thing to check or how to investigate. >> >> Greetings, >> >> Didier >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/ >> gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > From wvdwalt@csir.co.za Tue Nov 7 05:56:17 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 409EE76538 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 05:56:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FQIe65Kn4hot for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 05:55:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pta-smg1.csir.co.za (pta-smg1.csir.co.za [146.64.81.180]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4F2B764DF for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 05:55:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pta-smg1.csir.co.za (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Email Security Appliance) with SMTP id 155D32978C90_A014ADBB; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 05:55:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from willempc.meraka.csir.co.za (willempc.dhcp.meraka.csir.co.za [146.64.217.6]) by pta-smg1.csir.co.za (Sophos Email Appliance) with ESMTP id B22202975FFC_A014ADAF; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 05:55:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=localhost) by willempc.meraka.csir.co.za with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eBwrK-0004TO-I2; Tue, 07 Nov 2017 07:55:38 +0200 Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 07:55:38 +0200 (SAST) From: Willem van der Walt X-X-Sender: wvdwalt@willempc.meraka.csir.co.za To: David Hunt cc: orca-list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.21.1 (DEB 211 2017-05-04) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="8323329-17024407-1510034138=:16473" Subject: Re: [orca-list] Trouble getting Braille from Orbit XX and Ubuntu 17.10 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2017 05:56:17 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --8323329-17024407-1510034138=:16473 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Although I do not use braille myself, I have worked with some one with an orbit 20 and can confirm that it works in its own mode with the latest version of brltty. You should not need to do anything special to get it working through USB. HTH, Willem On Sun, 5 Nov 2017, David Hunt wrote: > I have the brltty service enabled, and the Orbit's usb connection > enabled in the HID mode, as suggested in the manual for the device.  I > enabled braille support in orca, as well.  On rebooting the machine, > with the braille unit running and connected, no braille ever appears on > display.  In case it matters, I have the Orbit's emulation enabled; this > mode is supposed to make the Orbit be recognized as a Refreshabraile 18. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > -Dave  Hunt > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org --8323329-17024407-1510034138=:16473-- From paulinagaj.99@o2.pl Tue Nov 7 09:36:19 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF47E761FF for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 09:36:19 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.649 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.649 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iFSgpXGDsdcq for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 09:35:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx-out.tlen.pl (mx-out.tlen.pl [193.222.135.145]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 37947761E3 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 09:35:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: (wp-smtpd smtp.tlen.pl 32448 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2017 10:35:44 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.1.100]) (paulinagaj.99@o2.pl@[37.47.65.189]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.tlen.pl (WP-SMTPD) with SMTP for ; 7 Nov 2017 10:35:44 +0100 To: orca-list@gnome.org From: Paulina Gajoch Message-ID: <5a624f99-4c9e-6319-e9bf-3732861e2f56@o2.pl> Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 10:35:42 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-WP-MailID: f2c168202511bd8a76f707a57a27d90a X-WP-AV: skaner antywirusowy Poczty o2 X-WP-SPAM: NO 0000000 [cYO0] Subject: [orca-list] Problem with Orca and codeblocks X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2017 09:36:19 -0000 Hi all, I yesterday decided, that I will learn to programming. And I installed codeblocks. I wanted to copy some program code, but when I paste this code to Codeblocks, I can't read this text by arrow keys. Has anyone this problem? How can I fix it? Thanks and greetings Paulina From alexarnaud@hypra.fr Tue Nov 7 09:54:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D6B576098 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 09:54:27 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.793 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.793 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4RQIe0y175a7 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 09:53:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra.fr (hypra.fr [62.210.38.35]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D6A1A761FF for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 09:53:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.10.190.4] (unknown [89.227.222.139]) by hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 65BDC580F5B; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 10:53:52 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hypra.fr; s=mail; t=1510048432; bh=MJo0FHkUNltw7Bef4jyopr0IrPUqq7dEGwZNAha8itI=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=vJcZVxXHK9mFsiF79uQfzTynoMsKcIEmaAD9UQI6PV9VN8ExCM3EXDC+Rn+nWHN/Z tNo5eSIUQnyNFi36+mCCspBS7l+ENfJqeIIFaYaiA2YcpmDO8VUwW+j4JXAVzNNRUh 43+sXLuL87FWihg6BtmRWncNpOSN8NzQuVjNWsc0= To: Paulina Gajoch , orca-list@gnome.org References: <5a624f99-4c9e-6319-e9bf-3732861e2f56@o2.pl> From: Alex ARNAUD Organization: Hypra Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 10:54:23 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5a624f99-4c9e-6319-e9bf-3732861e2f56@o2.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Problem with Orca and codeblocks X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2017 09:54:27 -0000 Hi Paulina, I don't use CodeBlock. If you want to program with an accessible editor you can use Pluma, Gedit or in text-mode vim, nano or emacs. Best regards. -- Alex ARNAUD Visual-Impairment Project Manager Hypra - "Humanizing technology" Le 07/11/2017 à 10:35, Paulina Gajoch a écrit : > Hi all, > > I yesterday decided, that I will learn to programming. And I installed > codeblocks. I wanted to copy some program code, but when I paste this > code to Codeblocks, I can't read this text by arrow keys. > > Has anyone this problem? > > How can I fix it? > > Thanks and greetings > > Paulina > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From alexarnaud@hypra.fr Tue Nov 7 10:00:35 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECCA07632C for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 10:00:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.791 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.791 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wghC9t1wyxAu for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 09:59:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra.fr (hypra.fr [62.210.38.35]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7259F76206 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 09:59:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.10.190.4] (unknown [89.227.222.139]) by hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A040C580F5B; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 10:59:52 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hypra.fr; s=mail; t=1510048792; bh=4YS4WIWinjpy06SFaUuNYwIvdVHUeny8fQYcIQfx+Ls=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=AG9rYWyMqGgJQW8pS2gZgahNItr+BDUrr4cQLX2kTAjH3piekBbTYjkITv8Cq9sfi xli9KtspnrZvd26neYgnc4I90tPvSPMfCB0cZBKL1okdRIUxhGklap9LcyDO3VV9W0 yuIDufxIPDaMohgmINkIJBD9iOXg0bvLBEg4EinI= To: Willem van der Walt , David Hunt Cc: orca-list References: From: Alex ARNAUD Organization: Hypra Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 11:00:24 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Trouble getting Braille from Orbit XX and Ubuntu 17.10 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2017 10:00:36 -0000 You could install ant try if the last BRLTTY version (5.5) works. You could download it from the Debian package of the release : https://packages.debian.org/buster/brltty Tell me if you need more details. Best regards. Le 07/11/2017 à 06:55, Willem van der Walt a écrit : > Although I do not use braille myself, I have worked with some one with > an orbit 20 and can confirm that it works in its own mode with the > latest version of brltty. > You should not need to do anything special to get it working through USB. > HTH, Willem > > > On Sun, 5 Nov 2017, David Hunt wrote: > >> I have the brltty service enabled, and the Orbit's usb connection >> enabled in the HID mode, as suggested in the manual for the device.  I >> enabled braille support in orca, as well.  On rebooting the machine, >> with the braille unit running and connected, no braille ever appears >> on display.  In case it matters, I have the Orbit's emulation enabled; >> this mode is supposed to make the Orbit be recognized as a >> Refreshabraile 18. >> >> >> >> Any ideas? >> >> >> >> >> >> -Dave  Hunt >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > -- Alex ARNAUD Visual-Impairment Project Manager Hypra - "Humanizing technology" From kkmane@riseup.net Tue Nov 7 10:41:53 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B6D676206 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 10:41:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.791 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.791 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YSVcR6Qzww6o for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 10:41:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A1A8676200 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 10:41:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from piha.riseup.net (unknown [10.0.1.163]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E73CF1A0952; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 02:41:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1510051269; bh=kD+qFyuVyyJm3rjWZItSi+VSybx1qzeXJEPi+C5YQuk=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=VbaPShS6aIRR7sYuTPaBoGCYoLzNIf6lrbUZd42IOCCysOHQU3+OwD4ihfLV8YanI s6SchwM2AjnkGJN5MIgr6bDJwcarzcqLiYyueacnFQeoA9laB5aA8CoVYtMGfcFBRw 64qACgNNGHsMtxKnviq06UNN78yPDAwYB0tRQldI= X-Riseup-User-ID: 6322A0889D77C09E324E772A3D30EC83277B2F8B039F60610590A866C5D9BF55 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by piha.riseup.net with ESMTPSA id ABD65222E7E; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 02:41:08 -0800 (PST) To: Paulina Gajoch , orca-list@gnome.org References: <5a624f99-4c9e-6319-e9bf-3732861e2f56@o2.pl> From: Krishnakant Message-ID: <8578c871-f64b-e0e3-2f78-df978f69e37c@riseup.net> Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 16:10:59 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5a624f99-4c9e-6319-e9bf-3732861e2f56@o2.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] Problem with Orca and codeblocks X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2017 10:41:53 -0000 Hi Paulina, Good to see one more visually challenged programmer getting started. Firstly, I would recommend starting with an easy programming language such as Python. Ruby would also be a good option. Next, I would suggest if you really wish to learn, then you can use Eclipse with the language of your choice. I very well remember I had posted a link to a customized eclipse package which is accessible with a few plugins to this mailing list.  I can post the link again, but it will take some time. So would urge you to start with it. Else you can use Emacs with emacspeak. Again here I can help you with necessary setup,  but can do so on the coming week end. All in all using Eclipse, Emacs etc are the best choices. But you can certainly start using some normal text editor such as gedit or even bluefish for that matter. Except Emacs, all the rest I mentioned are accessible. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On Tuesday 07 November 2017 03:05 PM, Paulina Gajoch wrote: > Hi all, > > I yesterday decided, that I will learn to programming. And I installed > codeblocks. I wanted to copy some program code, but when I paste this > code to Codeblocks, I can't read this text by arrow keys. > > Has anyone this problem? > > How can I fix it? > > Thanks and greetings > > Paulina > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From didier@slint.fr Tue Nov 7 11:05:51 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F773764AA for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 11:05:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.79 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.79 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6VkK-VdTUJHu for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 11:05:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.edit.jabatus.fr (mail.edit.jabatus.fr [109.234.163.95]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A92D276206 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 11:05:10 +0000 (UTC) X-MailPropre-MailScanner-From: didier@slint.fr X-MailPropre-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.101, required 5, autolearn=disabled, DKIM_SIGNED 0.10, URIBL_BLOCKED 0.00) X-MailPropre-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailPropre-MailScanner-ID: E1B086CE01B5C.A71BE X-MailPropre-MailScanner-Information: Message sortant - Serveurs o2switch DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=slint.fr; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=JetMGPPj/HnNvV21lnb8oPAF6ZbsNnUMw2acBzjyyvY=; b=t3ZZBlbE4pzP23X+C+1iwzBtqf fKpYYGQhh5pDatRHZyp/9hOpBlNvmVDQzQGEgvA7KquqZK+b+wLIQ7yWNW0oXOhsRT60PpuTOfxHR dZ1sCO+c77ObmLUm6ZjFo3bAk+vC4a2cLISimQALHWb0keFhKjSfEHWAc+R/WF4wCe5c=; To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <5a624f99-4c9e-6319-e9bf-3732861e2f56@o2.pl> From: Didier Spaier Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 12:05:05 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5a624f99-4c9e-6319-e9bf-3732861e2f56@o2.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - fox.o2switch.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - slint.fr X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: fox.o2switch.net: authenticated_id: didier@slint.fr X-Authenticated-Sender: fox.o2switch.net: didier@slint.fr X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [orca-list] Problem with Orca and codeblocks X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2017 11:05:51 -0000 Hello, Le 07/11/2017 à 10:35, Paulina Gajoch a écrit : > Hi all, > > I yesterday decided, that I will learn to programming. And I installed codeblocks. I wanted to copy some program code, but when I paste this code to Codeblocks, I can't read this text by arrow keys. > > Has anyone this problem? > > How can I fix it? > > Thanks and greetings > > Paulina Happy user of geany here. less features than emacs, but still fit for coding (includes an IDE) and accessible. In addition, the geany plugins come handy. Greetings, Didier From kkmane@riseup.net Tue Nov 7 12:35:46 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32040764AA for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 12:35:46 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.493 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.493 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XWfA5IvkE1rX for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 12:35:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BB56E764A1 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 12:35:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from piha.riseup.net (unknown [10.0.1.163]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D470F1A1BA7; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 04:35:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1510058103; bh=MzVuazwET98IHkKGBq03a7v+Eg7b73NtedjdKeyq76E=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=Tt24AHg2wbfMQiWOrM0ISm2NFvxkO72mEtZ2QW4FB68T+7h5g5+dRF7/wa0tL+Tsl nUv9z/k2JwZsJA96viK6PppEgXcW6mkV7BpBdx4tzbUqK9nBoXjVgBApIQ4skc2mS9 f+gT3OhwiqzyBub5itOHISCVGlniCp8R6QIuEdps= X-Riseup-User-ID: 579EE8028902854EA0530AF15AE3792B1A120A05E9A91A1EC070E75714554D06 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by piha.riseup.net with ESMTPSA id D4246222DDE; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 04:35:02 -0800 (PST) To: Didier Spaier , orca-list@gnome.org References: <5a624f99-4c9e-6319-e9bf-3732861e2f56@o2.pl> From: Krishnakant Message-ID: <3d96d882-68d5-ebe2-e096-2449d8572b26@riseup.net> Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 18:04:53 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] Problem with Orca and codeblocks X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2017 12:35:46 -0000 On Tuesday 07 November 2017 04:35 PM, Didier Spaier wrote: > Hello, > > Le 07/11/2017 à 10:35, Paulina Gajoch a écrit : >> Hi all, >> >> I yesterday decided, that I will learn to programming. And I installed codeblocks. I wanted to copy some program code, but when I paste this code to Codeblocks, I can't read this text by arrow keys. >> >> Has anyone this problem? >> >> How can I fix it? >> >> Thanks and greetings >> >> Paulina > Happy user of geany here. less features than emacs, but still > fit for coding (includes an IDE) and accessible. > > In addition, the geany plugins come handy. > I tried geany but it is totally inaccessible. I tried Python coding but just the menus are inaccessible. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. From alexarnaud@hypra.fr Tue Nov 7 13:36:05 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0986276ACA for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 13:36:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.791 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.791 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rJ2O0iAccuPz for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 13:35:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra.fr (hypra.fr [62.210.38.35]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5BB0B761F1 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 13:35:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.10.190.4] (unknown [89.227.222.139]) by hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D6082580F5B; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 14:35:20 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hypra.fr; s=mail; t=1510061721; bh=jinJ+4rqqlaC8YGouY9lTzhtulsVorfYgAeF+HGZaHk=; h=Subject:To:References:Cc:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=Lybw19P+CX+RSlHa1nhd+2h7gloPKLIcWhk80sZinDXyHDlxflx13Mu0PTsEW7+Vb 0EsBBhcXsSs+K4SZM+eZnkJ2RDMln9P9Au52oo9G/cNGMwXD8vuEXbyPCqiOtlLOcq zeMYqbA/9kXW3/Px/S5FPXsBO0EpprlO35hJOIEk= To: Krishnakant , Didier Spaier , orca-list@gnome.org References: <5a624f99-4c9e-6319-e9bf-3732861e2f56@o2.pl> <3d96d882-68d5-ebe2-e096-2449d8572b26@riseup.net> Cc: Colomban Wendling From: Alex ARNAUD Organization: Hypra Message-ID: <67257a13-0bbc-50c7-7b55-cff8b404a044@hypra.fr> Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 14:35:51 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3d96d882-68d5-ebe2-e096-2449d8572b26@riseup.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Problem with Orca and codeblocks X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2017 13:36:05 -0000 Le 07/11/2017 à 13:34, Krishnakant a écrit : > I tried geany but it is totally inaccessible. > I tried Python coding but just the menus are inaccessible. > Happy hacking. As I know, Geany is only accessible with the last version of the scintilla package. Maybe it is the case on Ubuntu 17.10, Arch, Debian testing "Buster" or other up-to-date Linux distributions. Best regards. -- Alex ARNAUD Visual-Impairment Project Manager Hypra - "Humanizing technology" From chrys@linux-a11y.org Tue Nov 7 14:08:58 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6EEB7632C for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 14:08:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lwKfzGMAaCly for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 14:08:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtprelay04.ispgateway.de (smtprelay04.ispgateway.de [80.67.18.16]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B9153761F1 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 14:08:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [37.82.139.177] (helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtprelay04.ispgateway.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eC4YD-0000hs-AE; Tue, 07 Nov 2017 15:08:25 +0100 X-Priority: 3 To: alexarnaud@hypra.fr Cc: didier@slint.fr,orca-list@gnome.org,ban@ban.netlib.re,kkmane@riseup.net From: chrys@linux-a11y.org In-Reply-To: <67257a13-0bbc-50c7-7b55-cff8b404a044@hypra.fr> References: <5a624f99-4c9e-6319-e9bf-3732861e2f56@o2.pl> <3d96d882-68d5-ebe2-e096-2449d8572b26@riseup.net> <67257a13-0bbc-50c7-7b55-cff8b404a044@hypra.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 14:11:54 +0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Df-Sender: Y2hyeXNAbGludXgtYTExeS5vcmc= Subject: Re: [orca-list] Problem with Orca and codeblocks X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2017 14:08:58 -0000 SG93ZHksDQoNCmdub21lLWJ1aWxkZXIgIGlzIGFsc28gcXVpdGUgbmljZSBhbmYgYWNjZXNzaWJs ZSBmb3IgbW9zdCBwYXJ0Lg0KDQpJIGRvIG1vc3Qgb2YgbXkgd29yayB1c2luZyBnZWRpdCBvciB2 aW0uIFdoYXQgd29ya3MgYWxzbyBnb29kIHRvIG1lLg0KDQpDaGVlcnMgQ2hyeXMgDQoNCkFtIERp ZW5zdGFnIDcuIE5vdmVtYmVyIDIwMTcgc2NocmllYiBBbGV4IEFSTkFVRDoNCj4gTGUgMDcvMTEv MjAxNyDDoCAxMzozNCwgS3Jpc2huYWthbnQgYSDDqWNyaXQgOg0KPiA+IEkgdHJpZWQgZ2Vhbnkg YnV0IGl0IGlzIHRvdGFsbHkgaW5hY2Nlc3NpYmxlLg0KPiA+IEkgdHJpZWQgUHl0aG9uIGNvZGlu ZyBidXQganVzdCB0aGUgbWVudXMgYXJlIGluYWNjZXNzaWJsZS4NCj4gPiBIYXBweSBoYWNraW5n Lg0KPiANCj4gQXMgSSBrbm93LCBHZWFueSBpcyBvbmx5IGFjY2Vzc2libGUgd2l0aCB0aGUgbGFz dCB2ZXJzaW9uIG9mIHRoZSANCj4gc2NpbnRpbGxhIHBhY2thZ2UuIE1heWJlIGl0IGlzIHRoZSBj YXNlIG9uIFVidW50dSAxNy4xMCwgQXJjaCwgRGViaWFuIA0KPiB0ZXN0aW5nICJCdXN0ZXIiIG9y IG90aGVyIHVwLXRvLWRhdGUgTGludXggZGlzdHJpYnV0aW9ucy4NCj4gDQo+IEJlc3QgcmVnYXJk cy4NCj4gLS0gDQo+IEFsZXggQVJOQVVEDQo+IFZpc3VhbC1JbXBhaXJtZW50IFByb2plY3QgTWFu YWdlcg0KPiBIeXByYSAtICJIdW1hbml6aW5nIHRlY2hub2xvZ3kiDQo+IF9fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fDQo+IG9yY2EtbGlzdCBtYWlsaW5nIGxp c3QNCj4gb3JjYS1saXN0QGdub21lLm9yZw0KPiBodHRwczovL21haWwuZ25vbWUub3JnL21haWxt YW4vbGlzdGluZm8vb3JjYS1saXN0DQo+IE9yY2Egd2lraTogaHR0cHM6Ly93aWtpLmdub21lLm9y Zy9Qcm9qZWN0cy9PcmNhDQo+IE9yY2EgZG9jdW1lbnRhdGlvbjogaHR0cHM6Ly9oZWxwLmdub21l Lm9yZy91c2Vycy9vcmNhL3N0YWJsZS8NCj4gR05PTUUgVW5pdmVyc2FsIEFjY2VzcyBndWlkZTog aHR0cHM6Ly9oZWxwLmdub21lLm9yZy91c2Vycy9nbm9tZS1oZWxwL3N0YWJsZS9hMTF5Lmh0bWwN Cj4gTG9nIGJ1Z3MgYW5kIGZlYXR1cmUgcmVxdWVzdHMgYXQgaHR0cDovL2J1Z3ppbGxhLmdub21l Lm9y From dahunt@posteo.de Tue Nov 7 16:26:52 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A300776214 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 16:26:52 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EEhgdqM_bqtk for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 16:26:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout02.posteo.de (mout02.posteo.de [185.67.36.66]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0DCDB76098 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 16:26:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D2C120CAE for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 17:26:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3yWZYg6sgTz10HX for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 17:26:15 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: From: David Hunt Message-ID: <624d69d3-9741-201b-cba0-f15718ae11ad@posteo.de> Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 11:26:13 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] Trouble getting Braille from Orbit XX and Ubuntu 17.10 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2017 16:26:52 -0000 Thanks, Alex! I tried a Buster net install image, and got no braille out of the Orbit.  I hit 's' after getting the two beeps from the pc, and waited; no braille or speech.  I just installed Buster to a machine on which speech works; trying braille in a bit.  About to try a Cid image, with today's date. Best Regards, Dave On 11/07/2017 05:00 AM, Alex ARNAUD wrote: > You could install ant try if the last BRLTTY version (5.5) works. From alexarnaud@hypra.fr Tue Nov 7 16:37:32 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F23F1761F5 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 16:37:31 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.791 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.791 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x672YlRLY-pK for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 16:36:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra.fr (hypra.fr [62.210.38.35]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5EFBD76098 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 16:36:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.10.190.4] (unknown [89.227.222.139]) by hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 73BE0580F5B; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 17:36:48 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hypra.fr; s=mail; t=1510072608; bh=fSHE3es3EQZjlbddZCkfZ24OwWc1Bt9lx3SWGbo4vS8=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=IsR9YtBSXN7xtnXKqjlpwnHkjBov48wufpzufcgK5Om+2vYoGOYLEMCq6zg0At9lD CEPlyueITMDEo914B8AohLZTafALjtGNTh4VFDqG5DD3AYzL5GlRFKed/zUzJws7Zz tfbconw4nCb5HZvHSe2s9fl4KVEx7E+WNtXOAl04= To: David Hunt , orca-list@gnome.org References: <624d69d3-9741-201b-cba0-f15718ae11ad@posteo.de> From: Alex ARNAUD Organization: Hypra Message-ID: <412d61f7-5f81-e714-7887-944879d289ef@hypra.fr> Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 17:37:18 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <624d69d3-9741-201b-cba0-f15718ae11ad@posteo.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Trouble getting Braille from Orbit XX and Ubuntu 17.10 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2017 16:37:32 -0000 OK, it's out of my knowledge, could you ask your question to BRLTTY mailing list? http://www.brltty.com/contact.html#list The developers are active and will guide you to the process to make your braille device working. BRLTTY maintainer is not on this mailing list. Best regards. -- Alex ARNAUD Visual-Impairment Project Manager Hypra - "Humanizing technology" Le 07/11/2017 à 17:26, David Hunt a écrit : > Thanks, Alex! > > > I tried a Buster net install image, and got no braille out of the > Orbit.  I hit 's' after getting the two beeps from the pc, and waited; > no braille or speech.  I just installed Buster to a machine on which > speech works; trying braille in a bit.  About to try a Cid image, with > today's date. > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > On 11/07/2017 05:00 AM, Alex ARNAUD wrote: >> You could install ant try if the last BRLTTY version (5.5) works. > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From nolan@thewordnerd.info Tue Nov 7 16:44:44 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 474F6761F5 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 16:44:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RuVLYwrhKfbH for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 16:44:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from aibo.runbox.com (aibo.runbox.com [91.220.196.211]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5824C76098 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 16:44:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.9.9.212] (helo=mailfront12.runbox.com) by mailtransmit03.runbox with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eC6yv-0003rP-8M for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2017 17:44:09 +0100 Received: from cpe-70-115-158-2.austin.res.rr.com ([70.115.158.2] helo=[192.168.0.192]) by mailfront12.runbox.com with esmtpsa (uid:843129 ) (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) id 1eC6ys-0007FN-2N for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2017 17:44:06 +0100 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <624d69d3-9741-201b-cba0-f15718ae11ad@posteo.de> <412d61f7-5f81-e714-7887-944879d289ef@hypra.fr> From: Nolan Darilek Message-ID: <07fd83b2-a499-a292-0a00-c7c1232eb403@thewordnerd.info> Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 10:44:03 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <412d61f7-5f81-e714-7887-944879d289ef@hypra.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] Trouble getting Braille from Orbit XX and Ubuntu 17.10 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2017 16:44:44 -0000 Sorry this is a bit OT, but is this display the $449 Orbit Reader 20? If so, is it available for purchase? Googling leads me to an APH page stating it will be available soon, but access tech companies aren't very good at SEO, so maybe it's available somewhere and not easily found? On 11/07/2017 10:37 AM, Alex ARNAUD wrote: > OK, it's out of my knowledge, could you ask your question to BRLTTY > mailing list? http://www.brltty.com/contact.html#list > > The developers are active and will guide you to the process to make > your braille device working. BRLTTY maintainer is not on this mailing > list. > > Best regards. From didier@slint.fr Tue Nov 7 16:51:49 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9899976214 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 16:51:49 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.79 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.79 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gxAa-sXUcizq for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 16:51:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.subit.jabatus.fr (mail.subit.jabatus.fr [109.234.163.25]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3954476098 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 16:51:08 +0000 (UTC) X-MailPropre-MailScanner-From: didier@slint.fr X-MailPropre-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.101, required 5, autolearn=disabled, DKIM_SIGNED 0.10, URIBL_BLOCKED 0.00) X-MailPropre-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailPropre-MailScanner-ID: 0D3946D5C0634.A213F X-MailPropre-MailScanner-Information: Message sortant - Serveurs o2switch DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=slint.fr; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:From:References:Cc:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=v30d5BxzXgaMhoEJJ1q9laF4/u+VHN8HQt8ZPJQKRbo=; b=jTNKJNr26Cu5rJwpzR/vBJ/iwa eFgIrY2dP1gVumO3KVHIdw3FxIOUqfULKRCkuOUrPxHc0q1SlUady/ehqiSfCanlY5VHPlzpVROx3 vSJOwB7NVYrqohJ8F2sCOTLwX2pl4zlh87qrDySoUOOLexwcsTKkxqgMS0YYINi8uJOM=; To: Alex ARNAUD , Krishnakant , orca-list@gnome.org Cc: Colomban Wendling References: <5a624f99-4c9e-6319-e9bf-3732861e2f56@o2.pl> <3d96d882-68d5-ebe2-e096-2449d8572b26@riseup.net> <67257a13-0bbc-50c7-7b55-cff8b404a044@hypra.fr> From: Didier Spaier Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 17:51:03 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <67257a13-0bbc-50c7-7b55-cff8b404a044@hypra.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - fox.o2switch.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - slint.fr X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: fox.o2switch.net: authenticated_id: didier@slint.fr X-Authenticated-Sender: fox.o2switch.net: didier@slint.fr X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [orca-list] Problem with Orca and codeblocks X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2017 16:51:49 -0000 X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2017 16:51:49 -0000 Hello, Le 07/11/2017 à 14:35, Alex ARNAUD a écrit : > Le 07/11/2017 à 13:34, Krishnakant a écrit : >> I tried geany but it is totally inaccessible. >> I tried Python coding but just the menus are inaccessible. >> Happy hacking. > > As I know, Geany is only accessible with the last version of the scintilla package. Maybe it is the case on Ubuntu 17.10, Arch, Debian testing "Buster" or other up-to-date Linux distributions. . On Slint-14.2.1-rc2 version 1.31, Geany is fully accessible. Built with a source archive from http://download.geany.org/ Alt+F brings up the menu File, then you can navigate in the menu with the arrows. For instance rightmost there is Help including the keyboard shortcuts that can be modified. Greetings, Didier From dahunt@posteo.de Tue Nov 7 16:52:14 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A6EF76214 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 16:52:14 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mO5hAYPB8T_k for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 16:51:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout02.posteo.de (mout02.posteo.de [185.67.36.66]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B1A75761F5 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 16:51:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 79A1120DF1 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 17:51:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3yWb6x0w0Mz1098 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 17:51:36 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <624d69d3-9741-201b-cba0-f15718ae11ad@posteo.de> <3db6db61-6b1a-5823-51fa-23b4205f726b@hypra.fr> From: David Hunt Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 11:51:30 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3db6db61-6b1a-5823-51fa-23b4205f726b@hypra.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] Trouble getting Braille from Orbit XX and Ubuntu 17.10 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2017 16:52:14 -0000 Hello, The machine in question has two sound cards, one of which is hdmi.  The Talking Arch iso uses the proper sound card. Distros with pulse audio have working sound. I am not using a virtual machine and do not have sighted help. Thanks, Dave On 11/07/2017 11:39 AM, Alex ARNAUD wrote: > It's not normal if you don't obtain sound from the Buster installer. > What is your sound card? Do you tested inside a VM? Do you have > sighted help? From alexarnaud@hypra.fr Tue Nov 7 17:15:00 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DF9F761F5 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 17:15:00 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.791 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.791 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Yi1Wi02QuIiM for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 17:14:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra.fr (hypra.fr [62.210.38.35]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 973D176098 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 17:14:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.10.190.4] (unknown [89.227.222.139]) by hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5FB1F580F5B; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 18:14:16 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hypra.fr; s=mail; t=1510074856; bh=JFyZXPvEZGgUfoZQbyUMX8Esi7fkLvW0oNr2FjSUUzo=; h=Subject:To:References:Cc:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=hq065sgE3qC8h5AazT5yqpirdCDCfeT/wFiqILJrbb7NsSBDRjWQcjf9r+slxu62Z lc4hCHBBsowyZXBt+8gcD89+BigM8bbmDo4IZU2/2Ua01zIQ1Toqz1jqOFj5HiHOmQ dqTqe2hwlEuh9YRkewYLmNSSFyNYDXls7i8BFWuk= To: David Hunt , orca-list@gnome.org References: <624d69d3-9741-201b-cba0-f15718ae11ad@posteo.de> <3db6db61-6b1a-5823-51fa-23b4205f726b@hypra.fr> Cc: Samuel Thibault From: Alex ARNAUD Organization: Hypra Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 18:14:47 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Trouble getting Braille from Orbit XX and Ubuntu 17.10 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2017 17:15:00 -0000 OK, thank you for your quick answer. There is a new behavior since the Stretch release (9). The behavior is the following, we need your help to figure out this issue inside the Debian installer. Could you check if these steps work: 1) Launch the installer 2) Press s 3) Press enter only one time 4) Wait 5 or 10 seconds until you will hear "please type enter to use this soundboard" 5) Press enter when you hear the message Does this procedure work for you? Best regards. -- Alex ARNAUD Visual-Impairment Project Manager Hypra - "Humanizing technology" Le 07/11/2017 à 17:51, David Hunt a écrit : > Hello, > > > The machine in question has two sound cards, one of which is hdmi.  The > Talking Arch iso uses the proper sound card. Distros with pulse audio > have working sound. I am not using a virtual machine and do not have > sighted help. > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > On 11/07/2017 11:39 AM, Alex ARNAUD wrote: >> It's not normal if you don't obtain sound from the Buster installer. >> What is your sound card? Do you tested inside a VM? Do you have >> sighted help? > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From storm_dragon@linux-a11y.org Tue Nov 7 22:33:14 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50EFB763E4 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 22:33:14 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pQ7iHOQv1Ocj for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 22:32:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtprelay06.ispgateway.de (smtprelay06.ispgateway.de [80.67.31.104]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A5BDF76098 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 22:32:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [137.118.191.109] (helo=yggdrasil.localdomain) by smtprelay06.ispgateway.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eCCQA-0004Sc-O4; Tue, 07 Nov 2017 23:32:38 +0100 Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 17:32:36 -0500 From: Storm Dragon To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." , Orca-list , Vinux Support Message-ID: <20171107223236.GB14260@yggdrasil.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="aVD9QWMuhilNxW9f" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) X-Df-Sender: c3Rvcm1fZHJhZ29uQGxpbnV4LWExMXkub3Jn Subject: [orca-list] New Email List for the Fenrir Screenreader X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2017 22:33:14 -0000 --aVD9QWMuhilNxW9f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Howdy y'all, There's now a new email list for Fenrir support. For info, and to subscribe= , please visit: https://www.freelists.org/list/fenrir-screenreader --=20 Storm Dragon Linux accessibility community: https://linux-a11y.org/ 24 hour IRC support: irc.linux-a11y.org #a11y Voice chat and support: mumble.linux-a11y.org --aVD9QWMuhilNxW9f Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEEjjImGMhZhYoKESBfW+ojcUPdwZMFAloCNIAACgkQW+ojcUPd wZOsLA//YWLUu3afyd4nxvTDOs2emX1VkiaOxHeKFczID5Ek3qXw0qDgdIafARLA CARi4eHmSV6ZUxjuJmNcG8P5WTrNEBnTp8IWBzEjLNlA8JEGxO3JxsUhg7Inw/s4 x8zW9gm+rhS54VZmJlb3i7PN5OlKjxnZL0Xwbk451T2z+eQDhTURxW9YnCEehejo 62Kr2sWWaorTxSPATc2N7EZ4zoGod2BBG9TY72WYjoEI+jXAY8JQi/7S2oqANecZ FiW5WP9zu04iCFy7p0TPj81IAa/teRT1wtmwgtwvwQHYN9BWesX4fqw6qhiZwRwC aAXMotdzWW8HGEvDiRkazeo/DWnNSgsM2AFrwKLts/Kvl7L6KB2MZTKOiqpADrK3 WyxXGdVfpij9tRXh3r67jMIodHSwVtvmFWrlTxbNAf0ArEfvYtJsKZWWWMKcfzlU zF8azAL8R4nsGMZ06tZd5130ho0xM1zaCBPF8zytYEaOEC8PmXDFZ255ot9wiVKU ai4evWzEBiTMnb2l6i0cKOfLNQr52OB/qtYyA4M7Iae1Zq1c2FbWjS6cOdd5uWeP jFv05aXEkZ9ZH8NsvVaeX9mtKZ0UKogwQeJCnd2hPSREk6hLYxXWaprHLSpUYqVi LJgORlfuBXGWcg3E5hGgthlOO6dknDTnogoFQPC26NUOeez4e2o= =Jqnv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --aVD9QWMuhilNxW9f-- From themuso@vinuxproject.org Wed Nov 8 01:47:10 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A396676566 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 01:47:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.79 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.79 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id utfiFmFU8tam for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 01:46:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pl0-f47.google.com (mail-pl0-f47.google.com [209.85.160.47]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C76E76207 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 01:46:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pl0-f47.google.com with SMTP id 63so254092pld.13 for ; Tue, 07 Nov 2017 17:46:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=vinuxproject-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mime-version:content-disposition :user-agent; bh=vUut43EEuhS5cwZ1x392bJrqtUKjIpwIg3wBAPzxjdM=; b=hU/aMdBORu3Z5/xPR48d6xToLGE5fe84O7GD8OUeLW3PubB6MtuUn1cVd09WWLrbEy QW9LywTO5sBJZhRp6D/vbU/kDrRQ9rsPo3SNm6GzAKFrXjWMwQANbkY2pPBjTFDelkcQ c5tgjFjokQdqez2oVCe145A6LaT5+5Eryr1LwHXCzqXPE09UHVnXqFTL4//t8BThFNO+ yTlnd4SV2hFOu4epHax2IASvPpGuhY3bxT2upMwyToYOHUStfWObzP0sifHc0FgkAFKS YcbJip4v0vywbHqkXAcSCqlO0IXsBHhjTOBMga+IpqfCIceI6HNac3+5LclK7KPBZYox dQGg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:mime-version :content-disposition:user-agent; bh=vUut43EEuhS5cwZ1x392bJrqtUKjIpwIg3wBAPzxjdM=; b=aDtpGnvrqp6d1ApSv0mRNnJyVzSlcItkmQL4RwhWyH0jhr8b7Yaorg6PwLHa7O7Kys UFANX1eKgJcAU62AFiykQoW+VDyq46D3SEgSX7JX7Pfpu+wrL+PcffvhW0Rg3RWygve1 bpXYymijhIkdaIi5a2ZSHXaIdRHxFLTIv5JNQ3p8TsllaVJI57xKtr//dNkJmK8SC7fi QVfLYnIJZEd4kVsSC9B72ruRvQyz35vVwagJlO8x9PEDQ3c3uGv4+sC8JMH7sOxBbVtm 1NmABTHUCKH5JICsOjqnJ1jlC0jRMkpOz6taMbVj1n6OCobfyN2fbOn9OW1j7jNFbfvW 7WkA== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX7UUcHUTmnLvI1gYbq6R9vv+IWwnpdoWkoL/rPEOmpRb3xcRSv2 lbuyeRLIXpZzxU/+rUFQCvVsUA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+TPmLYcBx+Io/PpqPd3s/+jm0wETANX+KmlBeiBzlqZApR9sZQj8Zzpi0o12GIX/ZyOWNFBEg== X-Received: by 10.84.160.204 with SMTP id v12mr623682plg.206.1510105597000; Tue, 07 Nov 2017 17:46:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from buffalo.yelavich.home (180-150-5-231.NBN.syd.aussiebb.net. [180.150.5.231]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i62sm5059141pfe.73.2017.11.07.17.46.33 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Tue, 07 Nov 2017 17:46:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 12:46:30 +1100 From: Luke Yelavich To: vinux-development@googlegroups.com, vinux-support@googlegroups.com, orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20171108014630.GA29739@buffalo.yelavich.home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) Subject: [orca-list] It is time for me to depart. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2017 01:47:10 -0000 It is with an extremely heavy heart that I write to you all to announce my departure from free and open source software development. GNU/Linux and free and open source software development has been a part of my life for well over a decade, some high points being my employment at Canonical for over 9 years, and the opportunity to maintain a free software project, Speech Dispatcher. I care very deeply about GNU/Linux accessibility, and free and open source software. I strongly believe that the philosophy behind free software is key to a better future for this world. However, I have lacked motivation of late, and the current state of accessibility on GNU/Linux, as well as the lack of funding for it, has not helped. I also would like to spend more time on other tallants I have, which have been neglected somewhat until recently, and are more likely to bring in a source of income in the future. I am sure I will return one day, with renewed motivation, enthusiasm, and a desire to contribute again. I am also sure I will be keeping watch on what transpires in this community, and since I will still be using GNU/Linux, I may still submit a bug fix from time to time for anything that I find particularly annoying. I step down from my positions as Vinux lead developer, and as Speech Dispatcher maintainer with pride and joy at what has been achieved. I am sorry that I have not fully helped to realize a renewed Vinux distribution based on Fedora, but I am sure that no matter what direction the Vinux project chooses to go, it will be lead well, and received well by the community. I will be closing my patreon campaign. To those who have supported me financially, I thank you deeply. Your support has been much appreciated. You know who you are. I am so grateful for the time I have spent in this community. I have learnt much, and have shared knowledge with others, and both the learning and sharing have always been a pleasure and a joy. It has also been a pleasure to talk to, and work with the free software community at large, but I would particularly like to thank a few people. To Rob Whyte, leader of the Vinux project, I owe a particularly heart felt thank you. You have been a rock and confidant when I have needed someone to talk to, as well as someone who I could blow off steam with, when things have been rough. It has been an honour, and a pleasure, to work with, and get to know you. Feel free to contact me any time if you want to chat. To everybody at Brailcom, particularly Hynek Hanke, Tomas Cerha, and Jan Buchal, I would like to thank for having given me the opportunity to maintain the Speech Dispatcher project. I had many plans to improve Speech Dispatcher, and I am sorry that these were not realized. I am sure the Speech Dispatcher project will still be relevant and developed going forward, and I am sure a maintainer can be found in the community. I wish that maintainer well. I also have to thank Canonical for giving me a chance and a job. I had the opportunitiy to work with some wonderful people while there, and I am happy to have learnt so much, particularly when it comes to building and developing a GNU/Linux distribution. Finally, I would like to thank the community. It has been a pleasure talking with you all, bouncing around ideas, discussing functionality, collectively digging into problems and solving them together. This last decade would have been for nothing if it weren't for all of us, whether we be users, developers, helpers, doc writers, etc. For now, I plan to exit for a while, and watch from the sidelines, but I do hope to return as a more active community member again, in the future. I wish you all well. You will not be forgotten. With kindest regards and best wishes. 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[47.33.62.73]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v85sm5176498pfi.71.2017.11.07.18.13.02 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 07 Nov 2017 18:13:02 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Victor Lawrence X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (15B93) In-Reply-To: <20171108014630.GA29739@buffalo.yelavich.home> Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 18:13:01 -0800 Cc: vinux-development@googlegroups.com, vinux-support@googlegroups.com, orca-list@gnome.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <124A9200-C8A7-4643-9152-3188F8BB8F90@gmail.com> References: <20171108014630.GA29739@buffalo.yelavich.home> To: Luke Yelavich Subject: Re: [orca-list] It is time for me to depart. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2017 02:13:26 -0000 Hello Luke, I am sorry to see you go. It is people like you who help keep free and open s= ource software going. If it weren=E2=80=99t for the accessibility of such so= ftware, I would have been in a lot of trouble. This kind of software has bee= n a lifesaver for me. Thank you for all the great work you have done. I wish you all the best in your future endeavors and I hope that you will re= turn to free and open source software development someday. Thoughts and prayers, Victor Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 7, 2017, at 5:46 PM, Luke Yelavich wrote= : >=20 > It is with an extremely heavy heart that I write to you all to announce my= =20 > departure from free and open source software development. GNU/Linux and fr= ee=20 > and open source software development has been a part of my life for well o= ver=20 > a decade, some high points being my employment at Canonical for over 9 yea= rs,=20 > and the opportunity to maintain a free software project, Speech Dispatcher= . >=20 > I care very deeply about GNU/Linux accessibility, and free and open source= =20 > software. I strongly believe that the philosophy behind free software is k= ey=20 > to a better future for this world. However, I have lacked motivation of la= te,=20 > and the current state of accessibility on GNU/Linux, as well as the lack o= f=20 > funding for it, has not helped. I also would like to spend more time on ot= her=20 > tallants I have, which have been neglected somewhat until recently, and ar= e=20 > more likely to bring in a source of income in the future. >=20 > I am sure I will return one day, with renewed motivation, enthusiasm, and a= =20 > desire to contribute again. I am also sure I will be keeping watch on what= =20 > transpires in this community, and since I will still be using GNU/Linux, I= =20 > may still submit a bug fix from time to time for anything that I find=20 > particularly annoying. >=20 > I step down from my positions as Vinux lead developer, and as Speech=20 > Dispatcher maintainer with pride and joy at what has been achieved. I am=20= > sorry that I have not fully helped to realize a renewed Vinux distribution= =20 > based on Fedora, but I am sure that no matter what direction the Vinux=20 > project chooses to go, it will be lead well, and received well by the=20 > community. >=20 > I will be closing my patreon campaign. To those who have supported me=20 > financially, I thank you deeply. Your support has been much appreciated. Y= ou=20 > know who you are. >=20 > I am so grateful for the time I have spent in this community. I have learn= t=20 > much, and have shared knowledge with others, and both the learning and=20 > sharing have always been a pleasure and a joy. It has also been a pleasure= to=20 > talk to, and work with the free software community at large, but I would=20= > particularly like to thank a few people. >=20 > To Rob Whyte, leader of the Vinux project, I owe a particularly heart felt= =20 > thank you. You have been a rock and confidant when I have needed someone t= o=20 > talk to, as well as someone who I could blow off steam with, when things h= ave=20 > been rough. It has been an honour, and a pleasure, to work with, and get t= o=20 > know you. Feel free to contact me any time if you want to chat. >=20 > To everybody at Brailcom, particularly Hynek Hanke, Tomas Cerha, and Jan=20= > Buchal, I would like to thank for having given me the opportunity to maint= ain=20 > the Speech Dispatcher project. I had many plans to improve Speech Dispatch= er,=20 > and I am sorry that these were not realized. I am sure the Speech Dispatch= er=20 > project will still be relevant and developed going forward, and I am sure a= =20 > maintainer can be found in the community. I wish that maintainer well. >=20 > I also have to thank Canonical for giving me a chance and a job. I had the= =20 > opportunitiy to work with some wonderful people while there, and I am happ= y=20 > to have learnt so much, particularly when it comes to building and develop= ing=20 > a GNU/Linux distribution. >=20 > Finally, I would like to thank the community. It has been a pleasure talki= ng=20 > with you all, bouncing around ideas, discussing functionality, collectivel= y=20 > digging into problems and solving them together. This last decade would ha= ve=20 > been for nothing if it weren't for all of us, whether we be users,=20 > developers, helpers, doc writers, etc. For now, I plan to exit for a while= ,=20 > and watch from the sidelines, but I do hope to return as a more active=20 > community member again, in the future. >=20 > I wish you all well. You will not be forgotten. >=20 > With kindest regards and best wishes. > Luke > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stab= le/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From kkmane@riseup.net Wed Nov 8 02:41:31 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F77476214 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 02:41:31 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.791 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.791 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HLKfn2_HTSik for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 02:40:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B79DE76207 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 02:40:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from piha.riseup.net (unknown [10.0.1.163]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D2DD71A01EC; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 18:40:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1510108848; bh=d0EOIo9cVBc5jCqHmnYagLVJQRDF+u+u7wfdHWl7exw=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=k3k+n1TXJOMilngaxRBYoXr7qEzw6AvJ2AT5jVGwjsVNKKTCozvbBEhCwnQkX/8o9 uAPGsOodueWLhBM5vBSVrwbDY+65kekLk/f+OlCS+eDsjOduJh8+61ogNuaIZykS9l OqZ7MqqcXAjM+Zz7rtpj42/gjdgbCJlTmJ3v2CJs= X-Riseup-User-ID: F7C47A1AC8B20EEFC25ADBBB451A623FDC013AA4EB3393D692440407251BBF61 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by piha.riseup.net with ESMTPSA id E8A80223BD1; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 18:40:45 -0800 (PST) To: Luke Yelavich , vinux-development@googlegroups.com, vinux-support@googlegroups.com, orca-list@gnome.org References: <20171108014630.GA29739@buffalo.yelavich.home> From: Krishnakant Message-ID: <9413d06d-db72-5f9a-42db-41b7a89c8804@riseup.net> Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 08:10:15 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20171108014630.GA29739@buffalo.yelavich.home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] It is time for me to depart. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2017 02:41:31 -0000 On Wednesday 08 November 2017 07:16 AM, Luke Yelavich wrote: > It is with an extremely heavy heart that I write to you all to announce my > departure from free and open source software development. GNU/Linux and free > and open source software development has been a part of my life for well over > a decade, some high points being my employment at Canonical for over 9 years, > and the opportunity to maintain a free software project, Speech Dispatcher. > > I care very deeply about GNU/Linux accessibility, and free and open source > software. I strongly believe that the philosophy behind free software is key > to a better future for this world. However, I have lacked motivation of late, > and the current state of accessibility on GNU/Linux, as well as the lack of > funding for it, has not helped. I also would like to spend more time on other > tallants I have, which have been neglected somewhat until recently, and are > more likely to bring in a source of income in the future. > > I am sure I will return one day, with renewed motivation, enthusiasm, and a > desire to contribute again. I am also sure I will be keeping watch on what > transpires in this community, and since I will still be using GNU/Linux, I > may still submit a bug fix from time to time for anything that I find > particularly annoying. > > I step down from my positions as Vinux lead developer, and as Speech > Dispatcher maintainer with pride and joy at what has been achieved. I am > sorry that I have not fully helped to realize a renewed Vinux distribution > based on Fedora, but I am sure that no matter what direction the Vinux > project chooses to go, it will be lead well, and received well by the > community. > > I will be closing my patreon campaign. To those who have supported me > financially, I thank you deeply. Your support has been much appreciated. You > know who you are. > > I am so grateful for the time I have spent in this community. I have learnt > much, and have shared knowledge with others, and both the learning and > sharing have always been a pleasure and a joy. It has also been a pleasure to > talk to, and work with the free software community at large, but I would > particularly like to thank a few people. > > To Rob Whyte, leader of the Vinux project, I owe a particularly heart felt > thank you. You have been a rock and confidant when I have needed someone to > talk to, as well as someone who I could blow off steam with, when things have > been rough. It has been an honour, and a pleasure, to work with, and get to > know you. Feel free to contact me any time if you want to chat. > > To everybody at Brailcom, particularly Hynek Hanke, Tomas Cerha, and Jan > Buchal, I would like to thank for having given me the opportunity to maintain > the Speech Dispatcher project. I had many plans to improve Speech Dispatcher, > and I am sorry that these were not realized. I am sure the Speech Dispatcher > project will still be relevant and developed going forward, and I am sure a > maintainer can be found in the community. I wish that maintainer well. > > I also have to thank Canonical for giving me a chance and a job. I had the > opportunitiy to work with some wonderful people while there, and I am happy > to have learnt so much, particularly when it comes to building and developing > a GNU/Linux distribution. > > Finally, I would like to thank the community. It has been a pleasure talking > with you all, bouncing around ideas, discussing functionality, collectively > digging into problems and solving them together. This last decade would have > been for nothing if it weren't for all of us, whether we be users, > developers, helpers, doc writers, etc. For now, I plan to exit for a while, > and watch from the sidelines, but I do hope to return as a more active > community member again, in the future. > > I wish you all well. You will not be forgotten. > > With kindest regards and best wishes. > Luke Hi Luke, You have done brillient work in accessibility. Alas you may have not been as fortunate as your's truely and a few others who get a great source of Income by serving the FOSS community itself. In fact such things do dampen the motivation factor some times and for future some decisions have to be taken as a make shift arrangement. Hope to see you back soon. Every one will remember your work and specially rappid pace at which you have fixed bugs. I feel Unity has been accessible mainly due to programmers like you and it will always remain a bright part of the digital history of FOSS accessibility. All the best. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. From nuno69a@poczta.fm Wed Nov 8 16:22:54 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4270876222 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 16:22:54 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.79 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.79 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ugCPUG4jDP5E for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 16:22:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpo.poczta.interia.pl (smtpo.poczta.interia.pl [217.74.65.157]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 924D5761EC for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 16:22:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Interia-R: Interia X-Interia-R-IP: 193.106.246.89 X-Interia-R-Helo: <[192.168.11.228]> Received: from [192.168.11.228] (193-106-246-89.noc.fibertech.net.pl [193.106.246.89]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by www.poczta.fm (INTERIA.PL) with ESMTPSA for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 17:22:09 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org From: ArkadiusZ Message-ID: <8c75a619-7d7c-3785-4694-f41ddbd102e7@poczta.fm> Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 17:22:07 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: pl-PL X-Interia-Antivirus: OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=interia.pl; s=biztos; t=1510158129; bh=22/e6P8eO54/Pwd3slsLEzmjuHAHUmxUA3b0Wh4fmAA=; h=X-Interia-R:X-Interia-R-IP:X-Interia-R-Helo:To:From:Subject: Message-ID:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Language:X-Interia-Antivirus; b=iSdcv82XNB4t7w4PeTlRwfyXL968Nici02FX+PZVQoH8mm6LNnf6BHR0JonF/vYc+ 3VxR8x1F69sHrw7XL++ANXb1mikF0FZFW+ShWXUKVl+XdD5reRrHRWkiHaZ2sPTsBS bfKzVvaKHCmyfDcBvuAZe+NOpef1bEI20NHZFWtk= Subject: [orca-list] Some questions about KDE X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2017 16:22:54 -0000 Hello, recently, I got interested in KDE so here are some questions. 1. Is it accessible at all/ 2. Won't it conflict with Gnome? 3. Finally, what packages should I install? I am using Arch From didier@slint.fr Wed Nov 8 16:45:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74E9376222 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 16:45:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.79 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.79 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PkefjnP8kPW8 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 16:44:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.alors.jabatus.fr (mail.alors.jabatus.fr [109.234.163.58]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D4678763DC for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 16:44:32 +0000 (UTC) X-MailPropre-MailScanner-From: didier@slint.fr X-MailPropre-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.1, required 5, autolearn=disabled, DKIM_SIGNED 0.10) X-MailPropre-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailPropre-MailScanner-ID: 969366ED32AC8.A7382 X-MailPropre-MailScanner-Information: Message sortant - Serveurs o2switch DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=slint.fr; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=Or6UNWTIK5j2yufTOcCX/om4YUY/VFKSqN4A5NYhqMs=; b=FMIL7zPfJ+kYz7cUQuZQW8TBq1 KU6usIdDv4WNs0o2rJ2cOAeM105ewhwtF8eKN6XQNC5d7QY/LYwsYyz6XaIyca6v1Jq2n2yyhVomP 5GfhE+KCW4STf6SLQ3vh1bKwo87PM8GJq0clxX9On1OC82JHvd3yvACZsNh8A8CUYuHQ=; To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <8c75a619-7d7c-3785-4694-f41ddbd102e7@poczta.fm> From: Didier Spaier Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 17:44:20 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8c75a619-7d7c-3785-4694-f41ddbd102e7@poczta.fm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - fox.o2switch.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - slint.fr X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: fox.o2switch.net: authenticated_id: didier@slint.fr X-Authenticated-Sender: fox.o2switch.net: didier@slint.fr X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [orca-list] Some questions about KDE X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2017 16:45:13 -0000 Hello, Le 08/11/2017 à 17:22, ArkadiusZ a écrit : > recently, I got interested in KDE so here are some questions. > 1. Is it accessible at all/ I probably depends in which version. KDE5 shipped in Arch should be more accessible than KDE4, but I don't try I have found only a few KDE4 apps like lokalize to be accessible. > 2. Won't it conflict with Gnome? Why would it? > 3. Finally, what packages should I install? I am using Arch Peter will tel you ;) For sure you will need qtatspi (possbly named qt-at-spi?) and have QT_LINUX_ACCESSIBILITY_ALWAYS_ON=1 Greetings, Didier From nuno69a@poczta.fm Wed Nov 8 16:56:15 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F092976222 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 16:56:15 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.29 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.29 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BqA2A5wG_ol3 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 16:55:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpo.poczta.interia.pl (smtpo.poczta.interia.pl [217.74.65.157]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C7B3076292 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 16:55:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Interia-R: Interia X-Interia-R-IP: 193.106.246.89 X-Interia-R-Helo: <[192.168.11.228]> Received: from [192.168.11.228] (193-106-246-89.noc.fibertech.net.pl [193.106.246.89]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by www.poczta.fm (INTERIA.PL) with ESMTPSA for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 17:55:40 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <8c75a619-7d7c-3785-4694-f41ddbd102e7@poczta.fm> From: ArkadiusZ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 17:55:39 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: pl-PL X-Interia-Antivirus: OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=interia.pl; s=biztos; t=1510160141; bh=M/b6YBatlCXmwk0kBlGG+aZgHElHdEYVGAeoimOkkCA=; h=X-Interia-R:X-Interia-R-IP:X-Interia-R-Helo:Subject:To:References: From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Language: X-Interia-Antivirus; b=KDElz6aiJ0BbV2NYWGr7zcc+K7uXAlS/V/YmwhyXN+SHGk1r2Rwervc/TLmJ4lGiu cd2qIGxNwfPaaGOaOBX/Q7Up+i4h9KGTfdZgImalRt+KUxXEacK6Shs/HmPC96zwyX VCRxIA0Huv+vbpASIe3iRQWvnVmGPLGKLA7ToFfk= Subject: Re: [orca-list] Some questions about KDE X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2017 16:56:16 -0000         How can I set this value in qt-ad-spi? On 08.11.2017 17:44, Didier Spaier wrote: > Hello, > > Le 08/11/2017 à 17:22, ArkadiusZ a écrit : >> recently, I got interested in KDE so here are some questions. >> 1. Is it accessible at all/ > I probably depends in which version. KDE5 shipped in Arch > should be more accessible than KDE4, but I don't try > I have found only a few KDE4 apps like lokalize to be accessible. >> 2. Won't it conflict with Gnome? > Why would it? >> 3. Finally, what packages should I install? I am using Arch > Peter will tel you ;) > > For sure you will need qtatspi (possbly named qt-at-spi?) > and have QT_LINUX_ACCESSIBILITY_ALWAYS_ON=1 > > Greetings, > > Didier > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From didier@slint.fr Wed Nov 8 17:09:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DCE17649E for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 17:09:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.79 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.79 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TfFgtmLAyCL7 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 17:08:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pause.jabatus.fr (mail.pause.jabatus.fr [109.234.163.75]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 001F1761EC for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 17:08:32 +0000 (UTC) X-MailPropre-MailScanner-From: didier@slint.fr X-MailPropre-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.101, required 5, autolearn=disabled, DKIM_SIGNED 0.10, URIBL_BLOCKED 0.00) X-MailPropre-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailPropre-MailScanner-ID: 6D5FB6EDC7A13.A8FE4 X-MailPropre-MailScanner-Information: Message sortant - Serveurs o2switch DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=slint.fr; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=atCyICUYW6n9o6hFNfVzNLwKKA0HO1boW/U8UaHkjjU=; b=TOsVnCVKOtmE7IRVlx2fiUAhPB J2siQQZbCR2XgmCPVsg+uHqanTuanZ9hP7DL9QoUIEhktnDsquJHuYU5qY3AVxkcoqxRfeh5ZK5Do 2huVeXIYUc6QABEIU/ie9yEoHQ0EQ/qmNKHQeexhnGc6Gh/hvRyH4oRFBI3OzOhO6QkM=; To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <8c75a619-7d7c-3785-4694-f41ddbd102e7@poczta.fm> From: Didier Spaier Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 18:08:26 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - fox.o2switch.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - slint.fr X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: fox.o2switch.net: authenticated_id: didier@slint.fr X-Authenticated-Sender: fox.o2switch.net: didier@slint.fr X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [orca-list] Some questions about KDE X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2017 17:09:13 -0000 Hello, Le 08/11/2017 à 17:55, ArkadiusZ a écrit : >         How can I set this value in qt-ad-spi? Not in qt-at-spi, but in a file read by your shell. For instance here in ~/.profile I have: QT_LINUX_ACCESSIBILITY_ALWAYS_ON=1 I don't know which shell you use, but as a Gnome user you should have somewhere: export GNOME_ACCESSIBILITY=1 Just put the line for Qt in the same script Greetings, Didier > On 08.11.2017 17:44, Didier Spaier wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Le 08/11/2017 à 17:22, ArkadiusZ a écrit : >>> recently, I got interested in KDE so here are some questions. >>> 1. Is it accessible at all/ >> I probably depends in which version. KDE5 shipped in Arch >> should be more accessible than KDE4, but I don't try >> I have found only a few KDE4 apps like lokalize to be accessible. >>> 2. Won't it conflict with Gnome? >> Why would it? >>> 3. Finally, what packages should I install? I am using Arch >> Peter will tel you ;) >> >> For sure you will need qtatspi (possbly named qt-at-spi?) >> and have QT_LINUX_ACCESSIBILITY_ALWAYS_ON=1 >> >> Greetings, >> >> Didier >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From albert.e.sten_clanton@verizon.net Wed Nov 8 17:41:30 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3132676222 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 17:41:30 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C80R83vbkOj0 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 17:40:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omr-a009e.mx.aol.com (omr-a009e.mx.aol.com [204.29.186.49]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5BD887649E for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 17:40:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mtaout-mce01.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mce01.mx.aol.com [172.29.27.205]) by omr-a009e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id F054238000A3; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 12:40:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (0x5b3139322e3136382e312e325d [71.174.182.92]) by mtaout-mce01.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPA id 4677B38000092; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 12:40:55 -0500 (EST) To: Luke Yelavich , vinux-development@googlegroups.com, vinux-support@googlegroups.com, orca-list@gnome.org References: <20171108014630.GA29739@buffalo.yelavich.home> From: Al Sten-Clanton Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 12:40:54 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20171108014630.GA29739@buffalo.yelavich.home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d1bcd5a0341a71df0 X-AOL-IP: 71.174.182.92 Subject: Re: [orca-list] It is time for me to depart. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2017 17:41:30 -0000 Luke, I wish you the very best in your next endeavors. You have indeed given a lot to this community. Al On 11/7/2017 8:46 PM, Luke Yelavich wrote: > It is with an extremely heavy heart that I write to you all to announce my > departure from free and open source software development. GNU/Linux and free > and open source software development has been a part of my life for well over > a decade, some high points being my employment at Canonical for over 9 years, > and the opportunity to maintain a free software project, Speech Dispatcher. > > I care very deeply about GNU/Linux accessibility, and free and open source > software. I strongly believe that the philosophy behind free software is key > to a better future for this world. However, I have lacked motivation of late, > and the current state of accessibility on GNU/Linux, as well as the lack of > funding for it, has not helped. I also would like to spend more time on other > tallants I have, which have been neglected somewhat until recently, and are > more likely to bring in a source of income in the future. > > I am sure I will return one day, with renewed motivation, enthusiasm, and a > desire to contribute again. I am also sure I will be keeping watch on what > transpires in this community, and since I will still be using GNU/Linux, I > may still submit a bug fix from time to time for anything that I find > particularly annoying. > > I step down from my positions as Vinux lead developer, and as Speech > Dispatcher maintainer with pride and joy at what has been achieved. I am > sorry that I have not fully helped to realize a renewed Vinux distribution > based on Fedora, but I am sure that no matter what direction the Vinux > project chooses to go, it will be lead well, and received well by the > community. > > I will be closing my patreon campaign. To those who have supported me > financially, I thank you deeply. Your support has been much appreciated. You > know who you are. > > I am so grateful for the time I have spent in this community. I have learnt > much, and have shared knowledge with others, and both the learning and > sharing have always been a pleasure and a joy. It has also been a pleasure to > talk to, and work with the free software community at large, but I would > particularly like to thank a few people. > > To Rob Whyte, leader of the Vinux project, I owe a particularly heart felt > thank you. You have been a rock and confidant when I have needed someone to > talk to, as well as someone who I could blow off steam with, when things have > been rough. It has been an honour, and a pleasure, to work with, and get to > know you. Feel free to contact me any time if you want to chat. > > To everybody at Brailcom, particularly Hynek Hanke, Tomas Cerha, and Jan > Buchal, I would like to thank for having given me the opportunity to maintain > the Speech Dispatcher project. I had many plans to improve Speech Dispatcher, > and I am sorry that these were not realized. I am sure the Speech Dispatcher > project will still be relevant and developed going forward, and I am sure a > maintainer can be found in the community. I wish that maintainer well. > > I also have to thank Canonical for giving me a chance and a job. I had the > opportunitiy to work with some wonderful people while there, and I am happy > to have learnt so much, particularly when it comes to building and developing > a GNU/Linux distribution. > > Finally, I would like to thank the community. It has been a pleasure talking > with you all, bouncing around ideas, discussing functionality, collectively > digging into problems and solving them together. This last decade would have > been for nothing if it weren't for all of us, whether we be users, > developers, helpers, doc writers, etc. For now, I plan to exit for a while, > and watch from the sidelines, but I do hope to return as a more active > community member again, in the future. > > I wish you all well. You will not be forgotten. > > With kindest regards and best wishes. > Luke > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > From nuno69a@poczta.fm Wed Nov 8 18:01:08 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD2C176222 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 18:01:08 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.789 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.789 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LDWfd9OqYD17 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 18:00:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpo.poczta.interia.pl (smtpo.poczta.interia.pl [217.74.65.157]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1DD58764CF for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 18:00:27 +0000 (UTC) X-Interia-R: Interia X-Interia-R-IP: 193.106.246.89 X-Interia-R-Helo: <[192.168.11.228]> Received: from [192.168.11.228] (193-106-246-89.noc.fibertech.net.pl [193.106.246.89]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by www.poczta.fm (INTERIA.PL) with ESMTPSA for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 19:00:24 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <8c75a619-7d7c-3785-4694-f41ddbd102e7@poczta.fm> From: ArkadiusZ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 19:00:23 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: pl-PL X-Interia-Antivirus: OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=interia.pl; s=biztos; t=1510164024; bh=7eno1nWXCU92OfZ7FlmIRTPQNxgF2cWrzn052TEfeOM=; h=X-Interia-R:X-Interia-R-IP:X-Interia-R-Helo:Subject:To:References: From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Language: X-Interia-Antivirus; b=kgneN3v4rKuQJndjeIwOv7dr9uW3ZFLvyJfyf42jkCTPYp2LQdnvDvewoe7wasQUS xCgVVPE5rStgUAnB3Qi0CiYPmw1mzMqV73uOfw5B9LGc+nZUHHvWvV90DQHbDnw7h0 BhFHMs+NVmZNMN5tv9gfKoK+7UvJNM4aI9G3CjUU= Subject: Re: [orca-list] Some questions about KDE X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2017 18:01:08 -0000 So, I don't know where it is in Gnome On 08.11.2017 18:08, Didier Spaier wrote: > Hello, > > Le 08/11/2017 à 17:55, ArkadiusZ a écrit : >>         How can I set this value in qt-ad-spi? > Not in qt-at-spi, but in a file read by your shell. > > For instance here in ~/.profile I have: > QT_LINUX_ACCESSIBILITY_ALWAYS_ON=1 > > I don't know which shell you use, but as a Gnome user > you should have somewhere: > export GNOME_ACCESSIBILITY=1 > Just put the line for Qt in the same script > > Greetings, > > Didier > > >> On 08.11.2017 17:44, Didier Spaier wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> Le 08/11/2017 à 17:22, ArkadiusZ a écrit : >>>> recently, I got interested in KDE so here are some questions. >>>> 1. Is it accessible at all/ >>> I probably depends in which version. KDE5 shipped in Arch >>> should be more accessible than KDE4, but I don't try >>> I have found only a few KDE4 apps like lokalize to be accessible. >>>> 2. Won't it conflict with Gnome? >>> Why would it? >>>> 3. Finally, what packages should I install? I am using Arch >>> Peter will tel you ;) >>> >>> For sure you will need qtatspi (possbly named qt-at-spi?) >>> and have QT_LINUX_ACCESSIBILITY_ALWAYS_ON=1 >>> >>> Greetings, >>> >>> Didier >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From didier@slint.fr Wed Nov 8 18:11:03 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EA8576B95 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 18:11:03 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wsjLkN17sF9s for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 18:10:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.rage.jabatus.fr (mail.rage.jabatus.fr [109.234.163.23]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6C7EF76292 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 18:10:47 +0000 (UTC) X-MailPropre-MailScanner-From: didier@slint.fr X-MailPropre-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.101, required 5, autolearn=disabled, DKIM_SIGNED 0.10, URIBL_BLOCKED 0.00) X-MailPropre-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailPropre-MailScanner-ID: 708616EF2FA14.A4125 X-MailPropre-MailScanner-Information: Message sortant - Serveurs o2switch DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=slint.fr; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=l/m4ELSmo4mVNjHFgwgpziqUeqYggNIHS7byb+2LtK8=; b=ipZ/Sl7S+EIi30zG6MQULHOuvI EKxrW1xbLJhMO5NCzmbi3xwKyCcXYxsy4e5OElOXgyWkMpTNBBxe8fapFzI7u8bLF5+CCp4N5fXhH qlBFvVA0kf/b4yB5gF0Mnq22j5balSmzBmXrN+p0v8FgUXkVHDpbXU8CRY+SB8lJKxMI=; To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <8c75a619-7d7c-3785-4694-f41ddbd102e7@poczta.fm> From: Didier Spaier Message-ID: <8aea1e6a-e941-2c1f-ac69-925d2a283249@slint.fr> Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 19:10:39 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - fox.o2switch.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - slint.fr X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: fox.o2switch.net: authenticated_id: didier@slint.fr X-Authenticated-Sender: fox.o2switch.net: didier@slint.fr X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [orca-list] Some questions about KDE X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2017 18:11:03 -0000 Which shell do you use? I you don't know, this command will tell you: grep $(id -un) /etc/passwd|sed "s.*/,," Le 08/11/2017 à 19:00, ArkadiusZ a écrit : > So, I don't know where it is in Gnome > > > On 08.11.2017 18:08, Didier Spaier wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Le 08/11/2017 à 17:55, ArkadiusZ a écrit : >>>          How can I set this value in qt-ad-spi? >> Not in qt-at-spi, but in a file read by your shell. >> >> For instance here in ~/.profile I have: >> QT_LINUX_ACCESSIBILITY_ALWAYS_ON=1 >> >> I don't know which shell you use, but as a Gnome user >> you should have somewhere: >> export GNOME_ACCESSIBILITY=1 >> Just put the line for Qt in the same script >> >> Greetings, >> >> Didier >> >> >>> On 08.11.2017 17:44, Didier Spaier wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> Le 08/11/2017 à 17:22, ArkadiusZ a écrit : >>>>> recently, I got interested in KDE so here are some questions. >>>>> 1. Is it accessible at all/ >>>> I probably depends in which version. KDE5 shipped in Arch >>>> should be more accessible than KDE4, but I don't try >>>> I have found only a few KDE4 apps like lokalize to be accessible. >>>>> 2. Won't it conflict with Gnome? >>>> Why would it? >>>>> 3. Finally, what packages should I install? I am using Arch >>>> Peter will tel you ;) >>>> >>>> For sure you will need qtatspi (possbly named qt-at-spi?) >>>> and have QT_LINUX_ACCESSIBILITY_ALWAYS_ON=1 >>>> >>>> Greetings, >>>> >>>> Didier >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From nuno69a@poczta.fm Wed Nov 8 18:14:16 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14A7A76AE4 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 18:14:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.29 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.29 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wToWr54w6Yvf for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 18:13:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpo.poczta.interia.pl (smtpo.poczta.interia.pl [217.74.65.157]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 722F376222 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 18:13:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Interia-R: Interia X-Interia-R-IP: 193.106.246.89 X-Interia-R-Helo: <[192.168.11.228]> Received: from [192.168.11.228] (193-106-246-89.noc.fibertech.net.pl [193.106.246.89]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by www.poczta.fm (INTERIA.PL) with ESMTPSA for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 19:13:40 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <8c75a619-7d7c-3785-4694-f41ddbd102e7@poczta.fm> <8aea1e6a-e941-2c1f-ac69-925d2a283249@slint.fr> From: ArkadiusZ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 19:13:40 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8aea1e6a-e941-2c1f-ac69-925d2a283249@slint.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: pl-PL X-Interia-Antivirus: OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=interia.pl; s=biztos; t=1510164821; bh=o6KOWarb72b4ZOCPEbL4IJcX+N/TfufffkmtLkKnET8=; h=X-Interia-R:X-Interia-R-IP:X-Interia-R-Helo:Subject:To:References: From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Language: X-Interia-Antivirus; b=f2v0iYFt2UEC6K6czh5WnWXyHd17OWMljxP9LffJ6J4GEWI57chxSsNehPHNQjvUL FcqVPaAtsXjZN4wbVeVJrJAeuJgmzVbCms7KlxEihN46AtJ2fnRQRHj1vLYzqk1rHj TKsSxozEo1torOYFIaAkkb0iJg9w27mFrCHfhuqs= Subject: Re: [orca-list] Some questions about KDE X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2017 18:14:16 -0000 Theres something wrong in the command you provided. From nuno69a@poczta.fm Wed Nov 8 18:33:09 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6372E764CF for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 18:33:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.789 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.789 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t_ICeByd5yC8 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 18:32:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpo.poczta.interia.pl (smtpo.poczta.interia.pl [217.74.65.157]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D04EF76AE4 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 18:32:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Interia-R: Interia X-Interia-R-IP: 193.106.246.89 X-Interia-R-Helo: <[192.168.11.228]> Received: from [192.168.11.228] (193-106-246-89.noc.fibertech.net.pl [193.106.246.89]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by www.poczta.fm (INTERIA.PL) with ESMTPSA for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 19:32:25 +0100 (CET) References: <8c75a619-7d7c-3785-4694-f41ddbd102e7@poczta.fm> <8aea1e6a-e941-2c1f-ac69-925d2a283249@slint.fr> <267985bc-62db-6aab-ddb3-faba040386c1@slint.fr> To: orca-list@gnome.org From: ArkadiusZ Message-ID: <98ac859d-2a06-bdf0-1ba1-cf58cf96d2c4@poczta.fm> Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 19:32:25 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <267985bc-62db-6aab-ddb3-faba040386c1@slint.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: pl-PL X-Interia-Antivirus: OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=interia.pl; s=biztos; t=1510165945; bh=ub2LBCs4tz5iiFjnVPsiLh0V6DdW9AAc1nML9H4MKLU=; h=X-Interia-R:X-Interia-R-IP:X-Interia-R-Helo:Subject:References:To: From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Language: X-Interia-Antivirus; b=HJfwZVHHwp0nYfB4AmFsdR6iyG6wWsrIPOio3sikn2I/UlyyscIR+oevw7Ng25Lvv FHa4DFyN5i/SyJR98KINkjKnQ1Jn/hDUGgbUKWfVg0l7G1oqpzfhC2S8GkAVI6JF/J 7k7Avdtgkg3HjLciHNvw24u0hUh4HXJgconUx7O8= Subject: Re: [orca-list] Some questions about KDE X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2017 18:33:09 -0000 Haha, that is the shell. COuldn't you just tell me to type some inexistent command? Anyway, its bash. On 08.11.2017 19:28, Didier Spaier wrote: > Le 08/11/2017 à 19:13, ArkadiusZ a écrit : >> Theres something wrong in the command you provided. > Missing comma, yes, sorry. Type instead: > > grep $(id -un) /etc/passwd|sed "s,.*/,," From didier@slint.fr Wed Nov 8 18:46:26 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDDA676BB8 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 18:46:26 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.79 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.79 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O5XDIherS9d3 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 18:45:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.heros.jabatus.fr (mail.heros.jabatus.fr [109.234.163.33]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6C4E8764CF for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 18:45:46 +0000 (UTC) X-MailPropre-MailScanner-From: didier@slint.fr X-MailPropre-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.101, required 5, autolearn=disabled, DKIM_SIGNED 0.10, URIBL_BLOCKED 0.00) X-MailPropre-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailPropre-MailScanner-ID: A6AA16EFE9492.A860A X-MailPropre-MailScanner-Information: Message sortant - Serveurs o2switch DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=slint.fr; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=PlVRq3J4XikEHnCUCH7G7M1G2zhV/lCrGYRqT7lrQTQ=; b=CUfVTTOjGo0WibSlg8CMCgli+C qOh1QcC9ZcnkyKVZnn66ivA0cmfB9MSfaZiCEii7mtcPb6X1GgFmvoWl8PzdY9DWEo2AbJ6GCzMkK IdqkUM0SjPNQTIG3bLvAmCD/RpwEHGHbaHWc3vC/rxDGoJgLFPikK7Sh98B5KDiFrMDY=; To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <8c75a619-7d7c-3785-4694-f41ddbd102e7@poczta.fm> <8aea1e6a-e941-2c1f-ac69-925d2a283249@slint.fr> <267985bc-62db-6aab-ddb3-faba040386c1@slint.fr> <98ac859d-2a06-bdf0-1ba1-cf58cf96d2c4@poczta.fm> From: Didier Spaier Message-ID: <9c71955d-d97c-980b-5a10-a1ca174b727c@slint.fr> Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 19:45:41 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <98ac859d-2a06-bdf0-1ba1-cf58cf96d2c4@poczta.fm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - fox.o2switch.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - slint.fr X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: fox.o2switch.net: authenticated_id: didier@slint.fr X-Authenticated-Sender: fox.o2switch.net: didier@slint.fr X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [orca-list] Some questions about KDE X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2017 18:46:27 -0000 Then just write in ~/.profile: export QT_LINUX_ACCESSIBILITY_ALWAYS_ON=1 Le 08/11/2017 à 19:32, ArkadiusZ a écrit : > Haha, that is the shell. COuldn't you just tell me to type some inexistent command? Anyway, its bash. > > > On 08.11.2017 19:28, Didier Spaier wrote: >> Le 08/11/2017 à 19:13, ArkadiusZ a écrit : >>> Theres something wrong in the command you provided. >> Missing comma, yes, sorry. Type instead: >>   grep $(id -un) /etc/passwd|sed "s,.*/,," > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From didier@slint.fr Wed Nov 8 18:49:22 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8CB5764CF for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 18:49:22 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.79 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.79 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BSMQsWVTgM3J for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 18:48:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.attaques.jabatus.fr (mail.republique.jabatus.fr [109.234.163.24]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A17D276B39 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 18:48:51 +0000 (UTC) X-MailPropre-MailScanner-From: didier@slint.fr X-MailPropre-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.101, required 5, autolearn=disabled, DKIM_SIGNED 0.10, URIBL_BLOCKED 0.00) X-MailPropre-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailPropre-MailScanner-ID: F060C6EFF92DD.AAF25 X-MailPropre-MailScanner-Information: Message sortant - Serveurs o2switch DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=slint.fr; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:References:To:From:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=q3TXKS6glgcUMGtyuDMK/hLEL4fZBV8mi5XQHn2rUqw=; b=g4rfeRUZouCLaxb2parYwfV7Fp GpuftZyWThB5jTrSo/5azhytixO0xgy65nLi7AGJ2xLlWKk5xoin1a8Q+aIg7X2RRZCpIWPCil2G7 cD+bKuo+ovSsBmI/2ysnISCiR7ZlaWP88m0rrV9veIobg2AVn5H4GsU2fB/v2NXE+fWg=; From: Didier Spaier To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <8c75a619-7d7c-3785-4694-f41ddbd102e7@poczta.fm> <8aea1e6a-e941-2c1f-ac69-925d2a283249@slint.fr> <267985bc-62db-6aab-ddb3-faba040386c1@slint.fr> <98ac859d-2a06-bdf0-1ba1-cf58cf96d2c4@poczta.fm> <9c71955d-d97c-980b-5a10-a1ca174b727c@slint.fr> Message-ID: <54e7ba94-0744-595a-13d0-30509e60b4d8@slint.fr> Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 19:48:46 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9c71955d-d97c-980b-5a10-a1ca174b727c@slint.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - fox.o2switch.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - slint.fr X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: fox.o2switch.net: authenticated_id: didier@slint.fr X-Authenticated-Sender: fox.o2switch.net: didier@slint.fr X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [orca-list] Some questions about KDE X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2017 18:49:23 -0000 But Maybe it's better to put this in an executable shell script in /etc/profile.d, like this: #!/bin/bash export QT_LINUX_ACCESSIBILITY_ALWAYS_ON=1 Assuming that your bash shell is in /bin Le 08/11/2017 à 19:45, Didier Spaier a écrit : > Then just write in ~/.profile: > export QT_LINUX_ACCESSIBILITY_ALWAYS_ON=1 > > Le 08/11/2017 à 19:32, ArkadiusZ a écrit : >> Haha, that is the shell. COuldn't you just tell me to type some inexistent command? Anyway, its bash. >> >> >> On 08.11.2017 19:28, Didier Spaier wrote: >>> Le 08/11/2017 à 19:13, ArkadiusZ a écrit : >>>> Theres something wrong in the command you provided. >>> Missing comma, yes, sorry. Type instead: >>>   grep $(id -un) /etc/passwd|sed "s,.*/,," >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From nuno69a@poczta.fm Wed Nov 8 19:22:36 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C218764CF for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 19:22:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.789 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.789 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SrdAfWV9zdHn for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 19:21:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpo.poczta.interia.pl (smtpo.poczta.interia.pl [217.74.65.157]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 964C776B39 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 19:21:55 +0000 (UTC) X-Interia-R: Interia X-Interia-R-IP: 193.106.246.89 X-Interia-R-Helo: <[192.168.11.228]> Received: from [192.168.11.228] (193-106-246-89.noc.fibertech.net.pl [193.106.246.89]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by www.poczta.fm (INTERIA.PL) with ESMTPSA for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 20:21:50 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <8c75a619-7d7c-3785-4694-f41ddbd102e7@poczta.fm> <8aea1e6a-e941-2c1f-ac69-925d2a283249@slint.fr> <267985bc-62db-6aab-ddb3-faba040386c1@slint.fr> <98ac859d-2a06-bdf0-1ba1-cf58cf96d2c4@poczta.fm> <9c71955d-d97c-980b-5a10-a1ca174b727c@slint.fr> <54e7ba94-0744-595a-13d0-30509e60b4d8@slint.fr> From: ArkadiusZ Message-ID: <88000536-e07e-3be4-f5a5-eb4caa2543b0@poczta.fm> Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 20:21:49 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <54e7ba94-0744-595a-13d0-30509e60b4d8@slint.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: pl-PL X-Interia-Antivirus: OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=interia.pl; s=biztos; t=1510168911; bh=qWK0dg/ZtoJivziIXnr70NIj+QxcJFzo0HhJdHjIeqM=; h=X-Interia-R:X-Interia-R-IP:X-Interia-R-Helo:Subject:To:References: From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Language: X-Interia-Antivirus; b=WCkrVpYbtOnAJqinesN3dDBycYi/8TkHCqg6xUFaaQFPeadiqjjPCtDVngXFvXBrH XHvT+j62P4ZTia3ZDtO94Ae2ZIsQ6hQLCxN1LwSYuGryonBKss89Rrbr3Au0gptmDu OL8izfVSL8C9Zr2Zj/UatpB85YfV2JCd8MYvNzvQ= Subject: Re: [orca-list] Some questions about KDE X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2017 19:22:36 -0000 Hmm? I on't have such file, I mean /etc/profile.d From didier@slint.fr Wed Nov 8 19:30:50 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ADFE76BB2 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 19:30:50 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.79 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.79 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OYgci9PBwI_2 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 19:30:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.deux.jabatus.fr (mail.deux.jabatus.fr [109.234.163.37]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A848B76BB0 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 19:30:09 +0000 (UTC) X-MailPropre-MailScanner-From: didier@slint.fr X-MailPropre-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.101, required 5, autolearn=disabled, DKIM_SIGNED 0.10, URIBL_BLOCKED 0.00) X-MailPropre-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailPropre-MailScanner-ID: CD3646F0D32AA.A78C9 X-MailPropre-MailScanner-Information: Message sortant - Serveurs o2switch DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=slint.fr; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=idUVxSmml6RbrPSZrFFpR9+z9WFnPh4DhOEYAiPxl7o=; b=I5Z63mAXlXH0gvIooeaj+FsLvs p72MQoggJQb5/vY/oGG1ZPZCzPd8jayBS+W4cp0mfwQzrQojOsIg5Ye/5Sw5OM2fy4im4Z+tSVCQ9 hJ4dQX2K6n14HRgzkYyKdZgMpnLFyE5U2/9r6iWHq4tfAgM4QzSt0QnTHUv+t0FEQ79s=; To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <8c75a619-7d7c-3785-4694-f41ddbd102e7@poczta.fm> <8aea1e6a-e941-2c1f-ac69-925d2a283249@slint.fr> <267985bc-62db-6aab-ddb3-faba040386c1@slint.fr> <98ac859d-2a06-bdf0-1ba1-cf58cf96d2c4@poczta.fm> <9c71955d-d97c-980b-5a10-a1ca174b727c@slint.fr> <54e7ba94-0744-595a-13d0-30509e60b4d8@slint.fr> <88000536-e07e-3be4-f5a5-eb4caa2543b0@poczta.fm> From: Didier Spaier Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 20:30:04 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <88000536-e07e-3be4-f5a5-eb4caa2543b0@poczta.fm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - fox.o2switch.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - slint.fr X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: fox.o2switch.net: authenticated_id: didier@slint.fr X-Authenticated-Sender: fox.o2switch.net: didier@slint.fr X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [orca-list] Some questions about KDE X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2017 19:30:50 -0000 Well, I don't know how initialization is done in Arch... Just use ~/.profile then, creating it if it doesn't exist yet. Le 08/11/2017 à 20:21, ArkadiusZ a écrit : > Hmm? I on't have such file, I mean /etc/profile.d > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > From jdashiel@panix.com Thu Nov 9 01:40:06 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 395D076BB9 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2017 01:40:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WHK7YsIMuzx6 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2017 01:39:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DAEF276BB8 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2017 01:39:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from panix1.panix.com (panix1.panix.com [166.84.1.1]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C3D811E29 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 20:39:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by panix1.panix.com (Postfix, from userid 20712) id B184B14B9D; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 20:39:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by panix1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF9C014B98 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 20:39:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 20:39:32 -0500 From: Jude DaShiell To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: [orca-list] some questions about kde X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2017 01:40:06 -0000 Probably echo $SHELL works and the stuff after the dollar sign is all upper-case. When I do it I get /bin/bash so I'm using bash. -- From jdashiel@panix.com Thu Nov 9 01:50:41 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CBF77649D for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2017 01:50:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.202 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.202 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2s8Vhkhf5jNE for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2017 01:50:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B68176223 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2017 01:50:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from panix1.panix.com (panix1.panix.com [166.84.1.1]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB2F12868 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 20:50:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by panix1.panix.com (Postfix, from userid 20712) id 1AB1614B9D; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 20:50:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by panix1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 179ED14B98 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 20:50:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 20:50:09 -0500 From: Jude DaShiell To: orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [orca-list] some questions about kde X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2017 01:50:41 -0000 Alternatively basename `echo $SHELL` gets same results. On Wed, 8 Nov 2017, Jude DaShiell wrote: > Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 20:39:32 > From: Jude DaShiell > To: orca-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: [orca-list] some questions about kde > > Probably echo $SHELL works and the stuff after the dollar sign is all > upper-case. > When I do it I get /bin/bash so I'm using bash. > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > -- From jdashiel@panix.com Thu Nov 9 01:56:35 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A873776223 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2017 01:56:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.202 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.202 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2dWkdFIgzJbF for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2017 01:56:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D4717649D for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2017 01:56:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from panix1.panix.com (panix1.panix.com [166.84.1.1]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C2F012A72; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 20:56:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by panix1.panix.com (Postfix, from userid 20712) id 5AFE914B9D; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 20:56:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by panix1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5784314B98; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 20:56:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 20:56:03 -0500 From: Jude DaShiell To: ArkadiusZ , orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <88000536-e07e-3be4-f5a5-eb4caa2543b0@poczta.fm> Message-ID: References: <8c75a619-7d7c-3785-4694-f41ddbd102e7@poczta.fm> <8aea1e6a-e941-2c1f-ac69-925d2a283249@slint.fr> <267985bc-62db-6aab-ddb3-faba040386c1@slint.fr> <98ac859d-2a06-bdf0-1ba1-cf58cf96d2c4@poczta.fm> <9c71955d-d97c-980b-5a10-a1ca174b727c@slint.fr> <54e7ba94-0744-595a-13d0-30509e60b4d8@slint.fr> <88000536-e07e-3be4-f5a5-eb4caa2543b0@poczta.fm> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [orca-list] Some questions about KDE X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2017 01:56:35 -0000 That's a directory, not a file. ls -d /etc/profile.d/ should find it for you. On Wed, 8 Nov 2017, ArkadiusZ wrote: > Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 14:21:49 > From: ArkadiusZ > To: orca-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: [orca-list] Some questions about KDE > > Hmm? I on't have such file, I mean /etc/profile.d > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > -- From jdiggs@igalia.com Thu Nov 9 14:07:09 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACE3476BD7 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2017 14:07:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.791 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.791 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id odb7zhTJE8wa for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2017 14:06:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [91.117.99.155]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F23F276BBD for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2017 14:06:28 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:Cc:References:To:Subject; bh=7Nul5NSNHUdMUJHXZgnAEHlci8pNCzGP/DkLkxiwUmI=; b=mx4PCeqnBBcUGxG9LM6Y7DkoYuyz44b+csIBHtKNkWWTqkyDnJXGZOnIHkvYBRRq6XxDjRbxM1aI08LR0x54CUPSd95iHRioQkQ1uirMNxMhpzyrTafSWWlGgtL6xZ3DEmyRkx32u2jdCHealCar0y7kFcQx5GNoCbmGCi83PWJSxi/UrZdRztzvuIjJwkmraTPtXatPSqiVxaV5CSCwNzbn8zql+LC5ky6i/IadP2IPJXbi4/+EfgxqLbPYLOx/S2oyzzwFNd3H0WXm7K6K31kmF6GfrJyn3ygtGYVcJq1Ct9+oTbvTCO2aCf9vd9/tQIN+aKARfopJYilacFPbsA==; Received: from h3.248.139.40.ip.windstream.net ([40.139.248.3] helo=[172.16.5.86]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1eCnTL-0006EY-TJ; Thu, 09 Nov 2017 15:06:24 +0100 To: =?UTF-8?Q?Pavel_Vl=c4=8dek?= References: <4e6cab22-1212-383d-5dc0-33497c44540f@gmail.com> Cc: Orca List From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <5e270f99-21c9-e049-32df-518934855817@igalia.com> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 06:06:11 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4e6cab22-1212-383d-5dc0-33497c44540f@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca and Firefox 57 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2017 14:07:09 -0000 Hi Pavel. I hope you don't mind my CCing the Orca list since maybe other people are wondering the same thing. Regarding Firefox 57 and Windows: Linux is not Windows. Unless something has changed about which I am unaware, Orca should continue to work with Firefox. I use Orca with Firefox Nightly which is currently in version 58. Still works for me. I've not had to make any special "new firefox" modifications to Orca. And again, as far as I am aware, there are no such modifications for me to make. If you are experiencing something different, please let me know. Thanks! --joanie On 11/09/2017 12:29 AM, Pavel Vlek wrote: > Dear Joanie, > > Firefox 57 is coming on 14th November. Developers changed access to > assistive technologies and Windows screen reader users must now disable > Firefox updates, because it is inaccessible at this time. So my question > is, will Orca work with new Firefox 57 and if so, what version of Orca > will be ready for new Firefox? > > Thanks, > > Pavel > > > From clgilland07@gmail.com Thu Nov 9 21:08:12 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA93C762E2 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2017 21:08:12 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.637 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.637 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tH1hRA7X4wEF for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2017 21:07:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yw0-f172.google.com (mail-yw0-f172.google.com [209.85.161.172]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 37CD5761E4 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2017 21:07:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yw0-f172.google.com with SMTP id q126so6483030ywq.10 for ; Thu, 09 Nov 2017 13:07:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version; bh=aON/+IS8zTawblF1vVLh0d9gJYkxQ5/AAFpbhjnr3Ck=; b=NZRZn71ldaSbI9cW10BSEvb/4UWfH0hjpyNZxDicV6+X66aY/ScaDLRBuUgthMkZip p/L3pypZkktFlxKEEUa2PTAGs5aj2eF95HKvvSEueUcqcGlNIkeCn1pF7PzZ3GELjBJ/ 5LW1RNY08MW2KN/t1W3Y9hm98TmMaVYwzouzmha5C5DUwJZfwnJyArUoVMz3YHBsqpS8 4aJQ1LtfzHSQAR0ycjQh1zxgdpD33Dkci/FdRzZwjHTX+fo8GcEC/AcWdAOJF7T3GBr2 l+xAp36ERldmWVpf0d9dp+Jv4IwmCfN0TjIWozxEXjN65779Cphq3kaDimaSa6TBmyk2 QVvQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date :mime-version; bh=aON/+IS8zTawblF1vVLh0d9gJYkxQ5/AAFpbhjnr3Ck=; b=HyFUamdHqT/L7Fds1uJQ0RvXyHpyEGHa8KOqUJQbvz0HU8AHj+2/Y31Pg2sHtRi7FK dJriGEoBpEcrCQaaBRzkgzdZUPUby6wJSDtljzQPWWfSKz3zUmLXXIbOGm1cNV6qHcik gy6Pw9C92EYHozdxi4cqrDWSq8G2/jJs6+Gq6h68zWxGAmscs462eQD8xz/vGMyyRB4Y Ov3kAP4Mh7Ye62y6pi5z3zFxSSzap520ZNgcVTXtdvYIbq35NsB4Ty9QtbfcGzVVq1aW wbPA7R7sSZ57BMOoBlqbitLIsAmk1gv2e6x/I2ffKi7JkHeG4aecwrVVWEFNvImeeVTZ Vvsw== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX4O8OaT52IU4ULSV2YEtTUtOPSHP1evVqQUm8cA04ydPLbnbHzM G7/CIrUkq36gVOphBVbB4GmPaQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMZyqKPdbzAHlkmqVFBihTJ+Btpn350cve/ga+zhrlVpsF2z5aOZQoLai5+3rIrFoBncb99XWw== X-Received: by 10.37.129.12 with SMTP id o12mr1418260ybk.410.1510261669758; Thu, 09 Nov 2017 13:07:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mygateway (cpe-172-72-160-226.carolina.res.rr.com. [172.72.160.226]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b207sm3780132ywh.42.2017.11.09.13.07.48 for (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 09 Nov 2017 13:07:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" To: References: <4e6cab22-1212-383d-5dc0-33497c44540f@gmail.com> <5e270f99-21c9-e049-32df-518934855817@igalia.com> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 16:07:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01D35974.D0605950" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.7349 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca and Firefox 57 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2017 21:08:13 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01D35974.D0605950 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Joanie, I'm curious, Do you have the steps necessary, or does anyone else, for that mind, to = make Chrome work with Orca? I've heard it can be done, or is that not = true? I'm wonderring if people actually were using Chromevox, not Orca. --- Christopher Gilland Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministry.org (980) 500-9575 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joanmarie Diggs=20 To: Pavel Vl=E8ek=20 Cc: Orca List=20 Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca and Firefox 57 Hi Pavel. I hope you don't mind my CCing the Orca list since maybe other people are wondering the same thing. Regarding Firefox 57 and Windows: Linux is not Windows. Unless = something has changed about which I am unaware, Orca should continue to work = with Firefox. I use Orca with Firefox Nightly which is currently in version 58. Still works for me. I've not had to make any special "new firefox" modifications to Orca. And again, as far as I am aware, there are no such modifications for me to make. If you are experiencing something different, please let me know. Thanks! --joanie On 11/09/2017 12:29 AM, Pavel Vl=E8ek wrote: > Dear Joanie, >=20 > Firefox 57 is coming on 14th November. Developers changed access to > assistive technologies and Windows screen reader users must now = disable > Firefox updates, because it is inaccessible at this time. So my = question > is, will Orca work with new Firefox 57 and if so, what version of = Orca > will be ready for new Firefox? >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Pavel >=20 >=20 >=20 _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ GNOME Universal Access guide: = https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01D35974.D0605950 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Joanie,
 
I'm curious,
 
Do you have the steps necessary, or = does anyone=20 else, for that mind, to make Chrome work with Orca? I've heard it can be = done,=20 or is that not true? I'm wonderring if people actually were using = Chromevox, not=20 Orca.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven=20 Ministries
 
http://www.gshministry.org
(98= 0)=20 500-9575
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Joanmarie Diggs=20
Sent: Thursday, November 09, = 2017 9:06=20 AM
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca = and Firefox=20 57

Hi Pavel.

I hope you don't mind my CCing the = Orca list=20 since maybe other people
are wondering the same = thing.

Regarding=20 Firefox 57 and Windows: Linux is not Windows. Unless something
has = changed=20 about which I am unaware, Orca should continue to work = with
Firefox. I use=20 Orca with Firefox Nightly which is currently in version
58. Still = works for=20 me. I've not had to make any special "new firefox"
modifications to = Orca.=20 And again, as far as I am aware, there are no
such modifications = for me to=20 make. If you are experiencing something
different, please let me=20 know.

Thanks!
--joanie

On 11/09/2017 12:29 AM, Pavel = Vl=E8ek=20 wrote:
> Dear Joanie,
>
> Firefox 57 is coming on = 14th=20 November. Developers changed access to
> assistive technologies = and=20 Windows screen reader users must now disable
> Firefox updates, = because=20 it is inaccessible at this time. So my question
> is, will Orca = work=20 with new Firefox 57 and if so, what version of Orca
> will be = ready for=20 new Firefox?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pavel
> =
>=20
> =

_______________________________________________
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Orca=20 documentation: https://help.gnome.org= /users/orca/stable/
GNOME=20 Universal Access guide: https:/= /help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
Log=20 bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01D35974.D0605950-- From pvdeejay@gmail.com Thu Nov 9 21:14:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52572762E2 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2017 21:14:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.887 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.887 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7JGcYE-3o8xI for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2017 21:14:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wr0-f179.google.com (mail-wr0-f179.google.com [209.85.128.179]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 15EA7761E4 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2017 21:14:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wr0-f179.google.com with SMTP id q66so6813777wrb.13 for ; Thu, 09 Nov 2017 13:14:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=vrufi5eqBMFpNW1PJ/dVXlGvHCovnsql4dRqj1bbrLs=; b=EDRRgTRlDTPcCUkwh9Ez6+dZhJTCLNauRQkcJ+UX2eYXMTXyYuQKHkpCIY4CBHQlbT forzuwoALeBQE3m301WJQ3smk359lS4FX4jfWg5RGsAIRSwetWxOx4Zf8kNf44OHSZ8r +KvXDFK+ZuUVQJhdZQW4XNnBhzQPWqZ4X0h6wGjnmFiHYSUZ05HvOzCZVmyPIx/rrYhS GQZykvRgMjJSDR+jM9Ym5ODeaYqdu8fyI1xvPk4NtmBu5hlzfoA5pU7fVrjI6lxpvJnN Xf5l11bhMt5vA8dX467qOFQDlitd/8S4xDVBVgMnTe72uXmrhZKC45gcJtRToV0sSTnY TyEg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=vrufi5eqBMFpNW1PJ/dVXlGvHCovnsql4dRqj1bbrLs=; b=bCQ/DzgjVIbH+940dMgxU7YZtvHt8xDMGfBgLvEVkEsFAgGdBBID7aoRLl2JkpFOyx 0TsIH8K7h0za2VTjqohNopjWvR7KsRTCmHZ/qyRdsghZtCheZEEPE4GOfAxN6NtGN8so 7H5V8DjPNJi++YsTcin94X7yrQTKbSi45KvzX0qKmqJ00Vv+2O9HYdZzQ27/X2PXAjSA /dNKBdjiQYps3Q3CjtgH268XIdM9JBbw4ycEbXMC/BSUNURxKAgP9vZlmcBe2DZOqrJN JdHaRC+1TDNw2/LCfYCsnSgO4f2QAn9psOPHrEAMwMKpYKnNIyfFMcCATTFi27g1dY7M BFnA== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX7mEspBypWHKMRWkWBEDZTerkqRAHBlv3cDi1r5GHQwxhjyLJNZ vyIdJxvMRVmqQ2uaWi07aqRY8mVy7sw+GaBDd7k= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+QAGJxM39FZ9zc1KPsV5mxuZJ4t8fGCeoB0hHSTWI7JCFmX6+qHJTx965f7S4m7IM4w1+YA5phOlGCbvbIphCs= X-Received: by 10.223.139.10 with SMTP id n10mr1662185wra.156.1510262049327; Thu, 09 Nov 2017 13:14:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.49.68 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Nov 2017 13:14:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.28.49.68 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Nov 2017 13:14:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4e6cab22-1212-383d-5dc0-33497c44540f@gmail.com> <5e270f99-21c9-e049-32df-518934855817@igalia.com> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=C3=A1gner?= Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 22:14:08 +0100 Message-ID: To: Christopher-Mark Gilland Cc: orca-list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f403045e9f74f7cf31055d934879" Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca and Firefox 57 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2017 21:14:33 -0000 --f403045e9f74f7cf31055d934879 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, Chrome is not yet accessible to orca. I can remember Bill Cox talking about a few developers interested in improving chromium accessibility on linux, however I am unable to find out how much has changed since that time and if the changes are available to the general public yet. I would say those who are using chrome are using it with chromevox. Greetings Peter D=C5=88a 9. 11. 2017 10:08 PM pou=C5=BE=C3=ADvate=C4=BE "Christopher-Mark G= illand" < clgilland07@gmail.com> nap=C3=ADsal: > Joanie, > > I'm curious, > > Do you have the steps necessary, or does anyone else, for that mind, to > make Chrome work with Orca? I've heard it can be done, or is that not tru= e? > I'm wonderring if people actually were using Chromevox, not Orca. > --- > Christopher Gilland > Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries > > http://www.gshministry.org > (980) 500-9575 > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Joanmarie Diggs > *To:* Pavel Vl=C4=8Dek > *Cc:* Orca List > *Sent:* Thursday, November 09, 2017 9:06 AM > *Subject:* Re: [orca-list] Orca and Firefox 57 > > Hi Pavel. > > I hope you don't mind my CCing the Orca list since maybe other people > are wondering the same thing. > > Regarding Firefox 57 and Windows: Linux is not Windows. Unless something > has changed about which I am unaware, Orca should continue to work with > Firefox. I use Orca with Firefox Nightly which is currently in version > 58. Still works for me. I've not had to make any special "new firefox" > modifications to Orca. And again, as far as I am aware, there are no > such modifications for me to make. If you are experiencing something > different, please let me know. > > Thanks! > --joanie > > On 11/09/2017 12:29 AM, Pavel Vl=C4=8Dek wrote: > > Dear Joanie, > > > > Firefox 57 is coming on 14th November. Developers changed access to > > assistive technologies and Windows screen reader users must now disable > > Firefox updates, because it is inaccessible at this time. So my questio= n > > is, will Orca work with new Firefox 57 and if so, what version of Orca > > will be ready for new Firefox? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Pavel > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/ > gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/ > gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > --f403045e9f74f7cf31055d934879 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello,
Chrome is not yet accessible to orca.
I can remember Bill Cox talking about a few developers interested in improv= ing chromium accessibility on linux, however I am unable to find out how mu= ch has changed since that time and if the changes are available to the gene= ral public yet.

I would say those who are using chrome are using it with chr= omevox.

Greetings

Peter


D=C5=88a 9. 11. 2= 017 10:08 PM pou=C5=BE=C3=ADvate=C4=BE "Christopher-Mark Gilland"= <clgilland07@gmail.com>= nap=C3=ADsal:
Joanie,
=C2=A0
I'm curious,
=C2=A0
Do you have the steps necessary, or do= es anyone=20 else, for that mind, to make Chrome work with Orca? I've heard it can b= e done,=20 or is that not true? I'm wonderring if people actually were using Chrom= evox, not=20 Orca.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven=20 Ministries
=C2=A0
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Joanmarie Diggs=20
Cc: Orca List
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 9= :06=20 AM
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca and F= irefox=20 57

Hi Pavel.

I hope you don't mind my CCing the Or= ca list=20 since maybe other people
are wondering the same thing.

Regardin= g=20 Firefox 57 and Windows: Linux is not Windows. Unless something
has cha= nged=20 about which I am unaware, Orca should continue to work with
Firefox. I= use=20 Orca with Firefox Nightly which is currently in version
58. Still work= s for=20 me. I've not had to make any special "new firefox"
modif= ications to Orca.=20 And again, as far as I am aware, there are no
such modifications for m= e to=20 make. If you are experiencing something
different, please let me=20 know.

Thanks!
--joanie

On 11/09/2017 12:29 AM, Pavel Vl= =C4=8Dek=20 wrote:
> Dear Joanie,
>
> Firefox 57 is coming on 14th= =20 November. Developers changed access to
> assistive technologies and= =20 Windows screen reader users must now disable
> Firefox updates, bec= ause=20 it is inaccessible at this time. So my question
> is, will Orca wor= k=20 with new Firefox 57 and if so, what version of Orca
> will be ready= for=20 new Firefox?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pavel
>
= >=20
>

_______________________________________________
= orca-list=20 mailing list
= orca-list@gnome.org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinf= o/orca-list
Orca=20 wiki: = https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
Orca=20 documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
GNOME= =20 Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gno= me-help/stable/a11y.html
Log=20 bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org

_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list@gnome.org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-l= ist
Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/= stable/
GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.g= nome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
--f403045e9f74f7cf31055d934879-- From didier@slint.fr Sat Nov 11 13:08:34 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8041764B3 for ; Sat, 11 Nov 2017 13:08:34 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.79 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.79 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LP9urCKipTcI for ; Sat, 11 Nov 2017 13:07:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.correction.jabatus.fr (mail.correction.jabatus.fr [109.234.163.62]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 50293764A8 for ; Sat, 11 Nov 2017 13:07:53 +0000 (UTC) X-MailPropre-MailScanner-From: didier@slint.fr X-MailPropre-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (cached, score=0.101, required 5, autolearn=disabled, DKIM_SIGNED 0.10, URIBL_BLOCKED 0.00) X-MailPropre-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailPropre-MailScanner-ID: 1CB5773284418.A1505 X-MailPropre-MailScanner-Information: Message sortant - Serveurs o2switch DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=slint.fr; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date: Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID:Content-Description: Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID: In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=zjNKmOk34nx62xGH2AhGM9KXJPLmLzGcuQx7XUvOB8k=; b=m0fr/9exgI+Y1bNa4+dvhU3hq6 c4N6KbZ4pyYfeC+G7pTNeHYWCnnjL/UhxaF+tkmL21wb7KaOpOXPMyu2uZtVDNsIBbGgpGWL9fRa5 LVhBDb+AEScLxfhVoXFzAzLTlRS3laFXYG4YD7wLMYvRF2XUWy0E1tWw5nXgwSWy4KhM=; To: orca-list , blinux-list@redhat.com, carrefourblinux@lists.tuxfamily.org, slint@slint.fr, Dimitris Tzemos , Aiyumi , Philippe DELAVALADE , George Vlahavas From: Didier Spaier Message-ID: <99e08a48-8117-eca3-32de-6ced2a12a746@slint.fr> Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2017 14:07:48 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - fox.o2switch.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - slint.fr X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: fox.o2switch.net: authenticated_id: didier@slint.fr X-Authenticated-Sender: fox.o2switch.net: didier@slint.fr X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: [orca-list] Slint 14.2.1rc2, last call for testing. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2017 13:08:34 -0000 Slint 14.2.1rc2, last call for testing. Last call means "all bug reports and comments posted before Monday 18 November 2017 will be looked at before the official release." The ISO is here: http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-testing/iso/ Most prominent change: lightdm replaces lxdm as display manager. This allows to make Slint fully accessible with speech and braille, now also at runlevel 4, i.e. starting directly a graphical environment after log in. Some KDE apps like lokalize (not the KDE desktop itself) are now also accessible. On the other hand installing KDE is now optional. emacspeak as speechd-el are included, so emacs has now three ways to speak, including espeakup. You may use all three at the same time, if you don't fear cacophony... A documentation for each package is installed in /usr/doc/package-. As a reminder, MATE can be easily added to Slint, with these commands typed as root: slept-get -u slapt-get --install-set mate It is fully accessible with speech, as much as possible with braille. Please read carefully the relevant documents before installing or upgrading and testing: Before installing: http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-testing/iso/README More specifically about accessibility: http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-testing/iso/ACCESSIBILITY If you who have already installed Slint64-14.2 or slint64-14.2.1RC and prefer to upgrade than isntall anew, you should also read: http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-testing/upgrade/README-UPGRADE More specifically, folks having installed Slint64-4.2.1RC are encouraged to also read: http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-testing/upgrade/from-rc-to-rc2. I am looking forward for your feedback and questions. Greetings, Didier From didier@slint.fr Sat Nov 11 19:22:57 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD46C76C8C for ; Sat, 11 Nov 2017 19:22:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.79 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.79 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id msCs5wur2gp0 for ; Sat, 11 Nov 2017 19:22:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.mercy.jabatus.fr (mail.mercy.jabatus.fr [109.234.163.94]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3639D76C2B for ; Sat, 11 Nov 2017 19:22:13 +0000 (UTC) X-MailPropre-MailScanner-From: didier@slint.fr X-MailPropre-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.101, required 5, autolearn=disabled, DKIM_SIGNED 0.10, URIBL_BLOCKED 0.00) X-MailPropre-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailPropre-MailScanner-ID: 4117F7393B40A.A3D78 X-MailPropre-MailScanner-Information: Message sortant - Serveurs o2switch DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=slint.fr; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=aDT+akvz7tc49/vl6srrm1N6YyxGgIdl0E2Juk7hoLI=; b=Rb0/gUNdl2uI4Fjj6fv3kCkCj+ b+gWYaZuH8QmYZVjNw6C9E0ynFexD96PmDRpBvM5849nJ8Ir3IvSn8knfwtCkB/4trbqpfda6OEwv sV858qHUZXT3QYGybGIhZjZkOqMT59j3BLCS3b+kOEHKnmBdPXHQheh2zHhawjzfhQac=; To: carrefourblinux@lists.tuxfamily.org, orca-list , blinux-list@redhat.com, slint@slint.fr, Dimitris Tzemos , Aiyumi , Philippe DELAVALADE , George Vlahavas References: <99e08a48-8117-eca3-32de-6ced2a12a746@slint.fr> From: Didier Spaier Message-ID: <0ffcc0a8-82ac-5c89-491c-8780db7e9ca8@slint.fr> Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2017 20:21:52 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <99e08a48-8117-eca3-32de-6ced2a12a746@slint.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - fox.o2switch.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - slint.fr X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: fox.o2switch.net: authenticated_id: didier@slint.fr X-Authenticated-Sender: fox.o2switch.net: didier@slint.fr X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [orca-list] [CBLX] Slint 14.2.1rc2, last call for testing. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2017 19:22:57 -0000 Le 11/11/2017 à 14:07, Didier Spaier a écrit : > Slint 14.2.1rc2, last call for testing. > > Last call means "all bug reports and comments posted before Monday 18 > November 2017 will be looked at before the official release." Please read instead: "before Monday 20 November 2017" Didier From nuno69a@poczta.fm Sat Nov 11 22:40:14 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3681764AC for ; Sat, 11 Nov 2017 22:40:14 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.789 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.789 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aQippCFG1pA0 for ; Sat, 11 Nov 2017 22:39:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpo.poczta.interia.pl (smtpo.poczta.interia.pl [217.74.65.157]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6132876C8E for ; Sat, 11 Nov 2017 22:39:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Interia-R: Interia X-Interia-R-IP: 46.149.221.112 X-Interia-R-Helo: <[192.168.0.105]> Received: from [192.168.0.105] (ip-221-112.gorlice.ap-media.pl [46.149.221.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by www.poczta.fm (INTERIA.PL) with ESMTPSA for ; Sat, 11 Nov 2017 23:39:30 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org From: ArkadiusZ Message-ID: <18c0b427-648a-0661-160f-bc6a9526127c@poczta.fm> Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2017 23:39:29 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: pl-PL X-Interia-Antivirus: OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=interia.pl; s=biztos; t=1510439970; bh=uqgt9kA4OiIbV1KTPnoKKhluu6EtnGhhuxzER7Ypgo4=; h=X-Interia-R:X-Interia-R-IP:X-Interia-R-Helo:To:From:Subject: Message-ID:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Language:X-Interia-Antivirus; b=A8lE8R0MDOMG4AjbDEw2mbIf0MOs9Pc2EOz5Fe1c4olWy4lb+IWGitwEl20LGgzr7 oVcSa2MDTHE7s3hpdp3u9CiTsQcdq30keVfBsqYK3+sHNtsMyrZdOpXR/u8PTDVkNy HdZUtCe7vosSZ5OnHP4WvbaMr/di8FT629l+f7Bk= Subject: [orca-list] Making Chromium work with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2017 22:40:14 -0000 Hello, I heard that it is possible to make Chromium work with Orca nativelly, not with Chromevos. Is it true? If yes, what should I do? From jdashiel@panix.com Sun Nov 12 07:21:10 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BDAD764AC for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2017 07:21:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Nz07QpRVGtSM for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2017 07:20:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B9DEA761DB for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2017 07:20:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from panix1.panix.com (panix1.panix.com [166.84.1.1]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 078F412E71; Sun, 12 Nov 2017 02:20:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by panix1.panix.com (Postfix, from userid 20712) id DAE2514B9D; Sun, 12 Nov 2017 02:20:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by panix1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D66AB14B98; Sun, 12 Nov 2017 02:20:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2017 02:20:36 -0500 From: Jude DaShiell To: "B. Henry" , "Jeanette C." , orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20170821015752.GA7484@gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <20170821015752.GA7484@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=DocE+STaALJfprDB Content-ID: Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: [orca-list] Setting up Orca on ArchLinux X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2017 07:21:10 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --DocE+STaALJfprDB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-ID: Content-Disposition: inline another one maybe worth checking out is stump-wm. On Sun, 20 Aug 2017, B. Henry wrote: > Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 21:57:52 > From: B. Henry > To: Jeanette C. , orca-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: [orca-list] Setting up Orca on ArchLinux > > I've never used gnome on Arch, but have spent at least a couple of months each using xfce and mate, probably more like 3 or 4 months each before > settling on a custom GUI environment built around fluxbox. > I've also tried one of the lightest posible accessible graphical solutions, ratpoison. > Personally I have always preferred starting my graphical interface with the startx command that I have aliased to GUI which I usually start with the alt > g shell hotkey, i.e. a binding set up ini /etc/inputrc. > That being said, one can have a DM start their GUI automatically at boot time, and most if not all display managers allow one to skip a log-on screen, > and systemd has its own way of startinig tty sessions with out the need of entering a username and PW. > The bottom line is that if you have no security concerns you could just push your power button, have a VT console start on its own, and then using a > systemd unit file start a DM, slim does not talk but other blind folk tell me it is light and stable, with out asking for user creds to launch the GUI > environment of your choice. > I'm considering experimenting with slim or siimilar myself as a few apps are no longer stsarting as reliably as they used to using the fluxbox startup > file and a couple of settings added to .xinitrc, the atk bridge being the most important. > Also make sure no matter what desktop you will use that you have your qt-accessibility file in /etc/profile.d, and a copy of the gtk accessiblity > module settings there as well. I'll attach the two files I'm talking about, just copy the gtk stuff in to .xinitrc if you have one in your $HOME > directory. The qt stuff seems to install by default with qt4, not sure if one had no qt4 i.e. only qt5 pkgs if it'd be there or not, thinking not. > Here is the gtkk accessibility stuff, should not be needing a manual set up with gnome and mate as far as I know, but won't hurt to have it. > > export SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN="gtk" > export GTK_MODULES=gail:atk-bridge > Put this above your exec lines in .xinitrc if you are making such a file. > I'm' really busy, so likely won't be checking this list much for a few more weeks, but best of lulck, and hope to see you here when I get back from my > digital media fast. > > > > -- --DocE+STaALJfprDB Content-Type: application/x-sh; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Content-ID: Content-Description: Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=gtk_access.sh #!/bin/bash=0A## To hopefully give graphical desktop environments accessibi= lity with gtk aps=0A=0Aexport SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN=3D"gtk"=0Aexport GTK_MODULE= S=3Dgail:atk-bridge=0A=0A --DocE+STaALJfprDB Content-Type: application/x-sh; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Content-ID: Content-Description: Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=qt-accessibility.sh export QT_ACCESSIBILITY=3D1=0A --DocE+STaALJfprDB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-ID: Content-Description: Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org --DocE+STaALJfprDB-- From alexarnaud@hypra.fr Sun Nov 12 10:27:16 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CE63761ED for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2017 10:27:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.793 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.793 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d7VE9wVZDyv8 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2017 10:26:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra.fr (hypra.fr [62.210.38.35]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F62B760AD for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2017 10:26:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.12] (75.145.21.93.rev.sfr.net [93.21.145.75]) by hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A2B40580F5B; Sun, 12 Nov 2017 11:26:32 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hypra.fr; s=mail; t=1510482392; bh=zhTSvjB1CCrxR5w7vr2B3e5J7d/h/JxB7b2blLR4H7c=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=lOiPiVh3mmE2EXGc6L6sPZWqaM2P3TtL30YAqe4XG5LhhXIom8IUy5Cy9UIp2DhlB dmHfxzWCIjOcRkUyyXgOoHLH6rZY2FPiZkZHakM2qqmPBzeXcLeKaKvbNcSyOmtG2a yEuBOqzxgd2IABZkaFhv2K+JqBNXyyjyUqwJQse4= To: ArkadiusZ , orca-list@gnome.org References: <18c0b427-648a-0661-160f-bc6a9526127c@poczta.fm> From: Alex ARNAUD Organization: Hypra Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2017 11:27:05 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <18c0b427-648a-0661-160f-bc6a9526127c@poczta.fm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Making Chromium work with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2017 10:27:16 -0000 Hello ArkadiusZ, Chromium is not compatible with Orca. Best regards. -- Alex ARNAUD Visual-Impairment Project Manager Hypra - "Humanizing technology" Le 11/11/2017 à 23:39, ArkadiusZ a écrit : > Hello, > > I heard that it is possible to make Chromium work with Orca nativelly, > not with Chromevos. Is it true? If yes, what should I do? > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From captinlogic@gmail.com Sun Nov 12 10:29:51 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01733761ED for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2017 10:29:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.888 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.888 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f2UKTkljfHxT for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2017 10:29:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-io0-f178.google.com (mail-io0-f178.google.com [209.85.223.178]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F31E760AD for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2017 10:29:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-io0-f178.google.com with SMTP id 134so17745908ioo.0 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2017 02:29:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=message-id:from:to:subject:date:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:references; bh=zUDHKrGne4c9e9DMiSYZWNSnI0gxYvxN4TS6ENJ+hp4=; b=X5ToOYjeIOQ2dVQoU7iZc53MoV15zCq6jMnVe9QD3tl8q8PA9vVXyCPqPD09ZlN6I5 QVA3MvOO2S1mezy90aUEJ0nAM/RnTSMYqV1ipjyMlC58kM7gmsCHOC9snJaUsxsYBQUv tyyhe0BUqe0ZrXngy+KRkkS6f2X17oMtG0SSrsdHIKy1Duayf7//dFiCwSsjmvDu5mPC JCJnEa1eZ8YG8YvEIvocv4mS/ycYsJtJBH90a5hVmd8JzoPISZX3C3bzpN+zTDVfyXC+ UqjCHA49Hv1qNd2slSZXOEQVUCfT69ZXBKZRa31yweknTLc4In+02DgAbxq5yH6+Mzf5 NneQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:from:to:subject:date:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:references; bh=zUDHKrGne4c9e9DMiSYZWNSnI0gxYvxN4TS6ENJ+hp4=; b=HcGat7XAegAxFdzirP0K2Svc3em8L1R0mJ30kHB41I7rvxkCXBgkkz5761O6nPp8ss ygzJyFJ9YfjmQHlvTirGcsUAW4thnsL+xqPPogEuBEHvLuOgrgRI8M+xGs6bJYusV1m4 nr6qIdCZ1OFQYQYCtlnRdyEwBaPIqvWHnRGQOkjC7Ea4XZVBY9WqgycSGinm90VP9jBi xWlkPWIW4yg/Z5u3laJxNwJhN9ZGTyAZuS+oVAN+qarcKzQnjwPq/QnmZmllsj0NoTk4 DR+SoFIVllwAml0pkIV0rnsGa5ojlBkCij/qZa2Crgu6XZ2p6WFfYexzGbRQwnxaog2s ufqg== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX5KiQdTAq/K494y/2XxafF1tHl71IyWqwLeLcGWtNKzvDgWyhgH /NQmzt/K+ua32iw+W3u3LPqhaA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMbU2Haxhv6YTi7cC9Ga7J4bhzeEjR0cpqmNkMH7WxQzou7eKiUl6gCUFniRfhwurVzXb62gqw== X-Received: by 10.107.162.66 with SMTP id l63mr6665762ioe.24.1510482568085; Sun, 12 Nov 2017 02:29:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.138] (71-8-135-6.dhcp.stcd.mn.charter.com. [71.8.135.6]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g201sm1622598iog.13.2017.11.12.02.29.26 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 12 Nov 2017 02:29:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20171112.102925.709.30@[192.168.1.138]> From: "Rob" To: orca-list@gnome.org Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2017 04:29:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: References: <18c0b427-648a-0661-160f-bc6a9526127c@poczta.fm> X-Mailer: POP Peeper Pro (4.4.1.0) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Making Chromium work with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2017 10:29:51 -0000 Alex ARNAUD wrote: Chromium is not compatible with Orca. I wonder if that will ever change. What does it need to be compatible? From alexarnaud@hypra.fr Sun Nov 12 10:43:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA255761E3 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2017 10:43:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.791 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.791 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z1v-b3_Woxb7 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2017 10:42:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra.fr (hypra.fr [62.210.38.35]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 22A82760AD for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2017 10:42:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.12] (75.145.21.93.rev.sfr.net [93.21.145.75]) by hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8A5FF580F5B; Sun, 12 Nov 2017 11:42:30 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hypra.fr; s=mail; t=1510483350; bh=MpcU86RFEiZc/743/bDF/3A6KC8V9hxbwm07OeXFDf0=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=jo9YKDznG8bPE8wPibgC9vKpnmaruXx3YZodOH91NxDn1YG+P68H1Uf3Q+5660+dO PEj7X+h62QYQMTWfpSgI+oAoaVAxdGqeyuodYUxEey6HdgGzWVh0/+0NbaIA7dZpLT RSBDg15B+qRuiZiwSbQaus59xYfgE4BYYoJphOtE= To: Rob , orca-list@gnome.org References: <18c0b427-648a-0661-160f-bc6a9526127c@poczta.fm> <20171112.102925.709.30@[192.168.1.138]> From: Alex ARNAUD Organization: Hypra Message-ID: <9877e20a-80c7-b6c9-2be1-b034595f1a36@hypra.fr> Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2017 11:43:04 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20171112.102925.709.30@[192.168.1.138]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Making Chromium work with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2017 10:43:13 -0000 Le 12/11/2017 à 11:29, Rob a écrit : > Alex ARNAUD wrote: > Chromium is not compatible with Orca. > > I wonder if that will ever change. What does it need to be compatible? The Chromium team should implement the accessibility back-end for GNU/Linux. I'm not involved inside the Chromium community so I don't know if there are bugs reports about the accessibility implementation for GNU/Linux. I don't know the status of the implementation for now. When Chromium will be compatible if this is the case one day Orca developers should write a script for it. Best regards. -- Alex ARNAUD Visual-Impairment Project Manager Hypra - "Humanizing technology" From kkmane@riseup.net Mon Nov 13 05:42:18 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A8DE76317 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 05:42:18 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.493 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.493 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7tYN-szTDZyD for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 05:41:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E94276217 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 05:41:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cotinga.riseup.net (unknown [10.0.1.164]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EDAC01A087A; Sun, 12 Nov 2017 21:41:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1510551695; bh=dNRJT6OKE8s+W4uIfwD5aPk2hq/sezBL7OiZUr8Gv8g=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=WmsBaP1X9a4FK5xs2bkH6kQfChb1Iyzk105016Iw7rNFGMtMZy4Ppu+BpTLw+aeyI P9dKJVhsu8yh1vmTiJsdFQakLXe5D3VJ0EJ3rq/C8MLi7uKLq5hlq2i3ugrmPBVGMP S1hv0H9TfAtqADfzJpoJCHe2Q8HS3wuIJo0fsI7c= X-Riseup-User-ID: 53045C8A48FE3B47B81C1861A3430B81AD8ED6753902BD57CFE95DDD17123239 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cotinga.riseup.net with ESMTPSA id E3D4E4ED07; Sun, 12 Nov 2017 21:41:24 -0800 (PST) To: Alex ARNAUD , Rob , orca-list@gnome.org References: <18c0b427-648a-0661-160f-bc6a9526127c@poczta.fm> <20171112.102925.709.30@[192.168.1.138]> <9877e20a-80c7-b6c9-2be1-b034595f1a36@hypra.fr> From: Krishnakant Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 11:11:08 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9877e20a-80c7-b6c9-2be1-b034595f1a36@hypra.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] Making Chromium work with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 05:42:18 -0000 On Sunday 12 November 2017 04:13 PM, Alex ARNAUD wrote: > Le 12/11/2017 à 11:29, Rob a écrit : >> Alex ARNAUD wrote: >> Chromium is not compatible with Orca. >> >> I wonder if that will ever change. What does it need to be compatible? > > The Chromium team should implement the accessibility back-end for > GNU/Linux. I'm not involved inside the Chromium community so I don't > know if there are bugs reports about the accessibility implementation > for GNU/Linux. I don't know the status of the implementation for now. > When Chromium will be compatible if this is the case one day Orca > developers should write a script for it. I guess they are not implementing ATK wrappers for chromium. By the way do we just install chromvox and chromium to get accessibility? Is there some command to start chromium with chromvox? Does it give a good experience navigating? And lastly will Orca need to be switched off whine it is used? Happy hacking. Krishnakant. 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[74.194.137.49]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 132sm7012435oid.35.2017.11.13.02.04.09 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 13 Nov 2017 02:04:09 -0800 (PST) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <18c0b427-648a-0661-160f-bc6a9526127c@poczta.fm> <20171112.102925.709.30@[192.168.1.138]> <9877e20a-80c7-b6c9-2be1-b034595f1a36@hypra.fr> From: Christopher Chaltain Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 04:04:08 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] Making Chromium work with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 10:04:33 -0000 I used sighted assistance to install ChromeVox with Chrome. There used to be a way to get this working without sighted assistance, but I don't know if that method still works or not. Also, you couldn't get Chromium to work with ChromeVox on Debian based systems due to a compile time setting. Again, I don't know if this has changed or not. I think ChromeVox gives a good experience when navigating around web site and the web, but it does use a different approach and some very unique key sequences, so it may not be for everyone. You don't need to shutdown Orca when using ChromeVox. Orca just doesn't speak anything from Chrome, so all you hear is ChromeVox. On 11/12/2017 11:41 PM, Krishnakant wrote: > > > On Sunday 12 November 2017 04:13 PM, Alex ARNAUD wrote: >> Le 12/11/2017 à 11:29, Rob a écrit : >>> Alex ARNAUD wrote: >>> Chromium is not compatible with Orca. >>> >>> I wonder if that will ever change. What does it need to be compatible? >> >> The Chromium team should implement the accessibility back-end for >> GNU/Linux. I'm not involved inside the Chromium community so I don't >> know if there are bugs reports about the accessibility implementation >> for GNU/Linux. I don't know the status of the implementation for now. >> When Chromium will be compatible if this is the case one day Orca >> developers should write a script for it. > I guess they are not implementing ATK wrappers for chromium. > By the way do we just install chromvox and chromium to get accessibility? > Is there some command to start chromium with chromvox? > Does it give a good experience navigating? > And lastly will Orca need to be switched off whine it is used? > Happy hacking. > Krishnakant. > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org -- Christopher (CJ) Chaltain at Gmail From rpoitevin@hypra.fr Mon Nov 13 11:00:20 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 149237621D for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 11:00:20 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.791 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.791 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vF6JVmrl-8u9 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 10:59:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra.fr (hypra.fr [62.210.38.35]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 737517630B for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 10:59:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (140-78-190-109.dsl.ovh.fr [109.190.78.140]) by hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C8354580F5E; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 11:59:35 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hypra.fr; s=mail; t=1510570776; bh=/VTMhEPZADRKdLh+4u9BdyNG1lv1kDaea8buAKaix7I=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=KfWjQ5rLVYo14V3MBK4HdpHJW7FErhN60v9V/xd+ze/vp8jGkUKh37TUAYZCb/8Rp hBrpaoQUzVA2BDH+Dr3fFBu82xbEONr4g/ZpbixrjF3xu3X6WMGuzPNmnxZw4bbEsO wmFgZpJ3dK9N0IMT71YR1Oecrx6YrtQ1UYSyh9nE= To: Christopher Chaltain , orca-list@gnome.org References: <18c0b427-648a-0661-160f-bc6a9526127c@poczta.fm> <20171112.102925.709.30@[192.168.1.138]> <9877e20a-80c7-b6c9-2be1-b034595f1a36@hypra.fr> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Rapha=c3=abl_POITEVIN?= Message-ID: <44c3cf90-e07e-e57c-5c9f-88365a6ccf58@hypra.fr> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 11:59:35 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: fr-FR Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Making Chromium work with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 11:00:20 -0000 Hello, On 11/13/2017 11:04 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > I used sighted assistance to install ChromeVox with Chrome. There used > to be a way to get this working without sighted assistance, but I don't Yes! http://speakup.linux-speakup.narkive.com/5OZ5X2vI/instructions-for-doing-an-eyes-free-install-of-chromevox-on-linux > know if that method still works or not. Also, you couldn't get Chromium > to work with ChromeVox on Debian based systems due to a compile time It works now in stretch. > setting. Again, I don't know if this has changed or not. I just added a call to speech-dispatcher : sudo vi /etc/chromium.d/default-flags Add those lines at the end of file: # Enable speech-dispatcher export CHROMIUM_FLAGS="$CHROMIUM_FLAGS --enable-speech-synthesis --enable-speech-dispatcher" > > > I think ChromeVox gives a good experience when navigating around web > site and the web, but it does use a different approach and some very > unique key sequences, so it may not be for everyone. I totally dislike but I don't use everyday, just for skype. > > > You don't need to shutdown Orca when using ChromeVox. Orca just doesn't > speak anything from Chrome, so all you hear is ChromeVox. Yes. 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X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 12:32:12 -0000 --001a11493cca499b18055ddc746a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hello, I think you can just move the line saying (setq speechd-out-active-drivers '(ssip )) at the top of these three lines and you won't get that warning again. By default there are two drivers ssip and braille. Another way on how you can tweak this and also other speechd-el settings is via so called customize interface. M-x customize-group speechd-el Greetings Peter 2017-11-12 20:01 GMT+01:00 Jude DaShiell : > in my .emacs file first three lines are: > (autoload 'speechd-speak "speechd-speak" nil t) > (speechd-speak) > (setq speechd-out-active-drivers '(ssip )) > When speechd-el starts up I'm told to customize it to remove drivers that > are not needed. > I need to know what drivers are used and also need to know what to do to > remove unused drivers. Finally, I do not want to break anything doing the > adjustments. > On Wed, 1 Nov 2017, Peter V?gner wrote: > > Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 15:42:11 >> From: Peter V?gner >> To: Didier Spaier >> Cc: orca-list >> Subject: Re: [orca-list] speechd-el vs emacspeak. >> >> Hello, >> >> I was under an impression this discussion is complete however today while >> reading some old list archives I have came accross an older posting by >> Milan Zamazal (speechd-el main developer) which I think is still very >> informative even today. >> So if you are still wondering about emacspeak vs speechd-el differences >> and >> you are interested in a bit of technical background, please have a look >> here: >> https://www.cs.vassar.edu/~priestdo/emacspeak/list.archive. >> 2006/msg00026.html >> >> Greetings >> >> Peter >> >> 2017-10-23 11:43 GMT+02:00 Didier Spaier : >> >> Le 21/10/2017 ? 15:18, Didier Spaier a ?crit : >>> >>>> On the web, I see that some people /run/user/somedir but we don't have >>>> a /run directory. I could just use /tmp/user/somedir or ~/.cache/somedir >>>> as seems to do at-spi (but it doen't remove that after a reboot, which >>>> is annoying). >>>> >>> >>> I stand corrected: indeed we have a /run directory but only in a running >>> system as it is a tmpfs. >>> >>> But as it's owned by root we'll use /dev/shm instead that we can >>> populate as regular user, see this post for a follow-up: >>> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/orca-list/2017-October/msg00318.html >>> >>> Greetings, >>> >>> Didier >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/ >>> gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> >>> >> > -- > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/ > gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > --001a11493cca499b18055ddc746a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,

I t= hink you can just move the line saying
(setq speechd-out-active-drivers = '(ssip ))
at the top of these three lines and you won't ge= t that warning again.
By default there are two drivers ssip and br= aille.
Another way on how you can tweak this and also other speech= d-el settings is via so called customize interface.
M-x customize-= group <ret> speechd-el <ret>

Greetings

Peter


2017-11-12 20:01 GMT+01:00 Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com>= :
in my .emacs file first three li= nes are:
(autoload 'speechd-speak "speechd-speak" nil t)
=C2=A0(speechd-speak)
=C2=A0(setq speechd-out-active-drivers '(ssip ))
When speechd-el starts up I'm told to customize it to remove drivers th= at are not needed.
I need to know what drivers are used and also need to know what to do to re= move unused drivers.=C2=A0 Finally, I do not want to break anything doing t= he adjustments.
On Wed, 1 Nov 2017, Peter V?gner wrote:

Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 15:42:11
From: Peter V?gner <pvdeejay@gmail.com>
To: Didier Spaier <= didier@slint.fr>
Cc: orca-list <= orca-list@gnome.org>
Subject: Re: [orca-list] speechd-el vs emacspeak.

 Hello,

I was under an impression this discussion is complete however today while reading some old list archives I have came accross an older posting by
Milan Zamazal (speechd-el main developer) which I think is still very
informative even today.
So if you are still wondering about emacspeak vs speechd-el differences and=
you are interested in a bit of technical background, please have a look
here:
https://www.cs.vassar.e= du/~priestdo/emacspeak/list.archive.2006/msg00026.html

Greetings

Peter

2017-10-23 11:43 GMT+02:00 Didier Spaier <didier@slint.fr>:

Le 21/10/2017 ? 15:18, Didier Spaier a ?crit :
On the web, I see that some people /run/user/somedir but we don't have<= br> a /run directory. I could just use /tmp/user/somedir or ~/.cache/somedir as seems to do at-spi (but it doen't remove that after a reboot, which<= br> is annoying).

I stand corrected: indeed we have a /run directory but only in a running system as it is a tmpfs.

But as it's owned by root we'll use /dev/shm instead that we can populate as regular user, see this post for a follow-up:
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/orca-list/2017-October/msg00318.html

Greetings,

Didier
_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list@gnome.or= g
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-l= ist
Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/= stable/
GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/
gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org



--

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https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-l= ist
Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/= stable/
GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.g= nome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
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X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 12:33:33 -0000 --001a1143b00a18d017055ddc799c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, Oh I am sorry there are two drivers ssip and brltty. Braille won't work there I think. Greetings Peter 2017-11-13 13:31 GMT+01:00 Peter V=C3=A1gner : > Hello, > > I think you can just move the line saying > (setq speechd-out-active-drivers '(ssip )) > at the top of these three lines and you won't get that warning again. > By default there are two drivers ssip and braille. > Another way on how you can tweak this and also other speechd-el settings > is via so called customize interface. > M-x customize-group speechd-el > > Greetings > > Peter > > > 2017-11-12 20:01 GMT+01:00 Jude DaShiell : > >> in my .emacs file first three lines are: >> (autoload 'speechd-speak "speechd-speak" nil t) >> (speechd-speak) >> (setq speechd-out-active-drivers '(ssip )) >> When speechd-el starts up I'm told to customize it to remove drivers tha= t >> are not needed. >> I need to know what drivers are used and also need to know what to do to >> remove unused drivers. Finally, I do not want to break anything doing t= he >> adjustments. >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2017, Peter V?gner wrote: >> >> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 15:42:11 >>> From: Peter V?gner >>> To: Didier Spaier >>> Cc: orca-list >>> Subject: Re: [orca-list] speechd-el vs emacspeak. >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I was under an impression this discussion is complete however today whi= le >>> reading some old list archives I have came accross an older posting by >>> Milan Zamazal (speechd-el main developer) which I think is still very >>> informative even today. >>> So if you are still wondering about emacspeak vs speechd-el differences >>> and >>> you are interested in a bit of technical background, please have a look >>> here: >>> https://www.cs.vassar.edu/~priestdo/emacspeak/list.archive.2 >>> 006/msg00026.html >>> >>> Greetings >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> 2017-10-23 11:43 GMT+02:00 Didier Spaier : >>> >>> Le 21/10/2017 ? 15:18, Didier Spaier a ?crit : >>>> >>>>> On the web, I see that some people /run/user/somedir but we don't hav= e >>>>> a /run directory. I could just use /tmp/user/somedir or >>>>> ~/.cache/somedir >>>>> as seems to do at-spi (but it doen't remove that after a reboot, whic= h >>>>> is annoying). >>>>> >>>> >>>> I stand corrected: indeed we have a /run directory but only in a runni= ng >>>> system as it is a tmpfs. >>>> >>>> But as it's owned by root we'll use /dev/shm instead that we can >>>> populate as regular user, see this post for a follow-up: >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/orca-list/2017-October/msg00318.html >>>> >>>> Greetings, >>>> >>>> Didier >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/ >>>> gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>> >>>> >>> >> -- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/g >> nome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> > > --001a1143b00a18d017055ddc799c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,

Oh I am sorry there are= two drivers ssip and brltty. Braille won't work there I think.

=
Greetings

Peter


2017-11-13 13:31 GMT+01:00 Peter V=C3=A1= gner <pvdeejay@gmail.com>:
Hello,

I= think you can just move the line saying
(setq speechd-out-active-driver= s '(ssip ))
at the top of these three lines and you won't = get that warning again.
By default there are two drivers ssip and = braille.
Another way on how you can tweak this and also other spee= chd-el settings is via so called customize interface.
M-x customiz= e-group <ret> speechd-el <ret>

Greetings

Peter


2017-11-12 20:01 GMT+01:00 Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@pani= x.com>:
in my .emacs file f= irst three lines are:
(autoload 'speechd-speak "speechd-speak" nil t)
=C2=A0(speechd-speak)
=C2=A0(setq speechd-out-active-drivers '(ssip ))
When speechd-el starts up I'm told to customize it to remove drivers th= at are not needed.
I need to know what drivers are used and also need to know what to do to re= move unused drivers.=C2=A0 Finally, I do not want to break anything doing t= he adjustments.
On Wed, 1 Nov 2017, Peter V?gner wrote:

Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 15:42:11
From: Peter V?gner <pvdeejay@gmail.com>
To: Didier Spaier <= didier@slint.fr>
Cc: orca-list <= orca-list@gnome.org>
Subject: Re: [orca-list] speechd-el vs emacspeak.

 Hello,

I was under an impression this discussion is complete however today while reading some old list archives I have came accross an older posting by
Milan Zamazal (speechd-el main developer) which I think is still very
informative even today.
So if you are still wondering about emacspeak vs speechd-el differences and=
you are interested in a bit of technical background, please have a look
here:
https://www.cs.vassar.e= du/~priestdo/emacspeak/list.archive.2006/msg00026.html

Greetings

Peter

2017-10-23 11:43 GMT+02:00 Didier Spaier <didier@slint.fr>:

Le 21/10/2017 ? 15:18, Didier Spaier a ?crit :
On the web, I see that some people /run/user/somedir but we don't have<= br> a /run directory. I could just use /tmp/user/somedir or ~/.cache/somedir as seems to do at-spi (but it doen't remove that after a reboot, which<= br> is annoying).

I stand corrected: indeed we have a /run directory but only in a running system as it is a tmpfs.

But as it's owned by root we'll use /dev/shm instead that we can populate as regular user, see this post for a follow-up:
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/orca-list/2017-October/msg00318.html

Greetings,

Didier
_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list@gnome.or= g
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-l= ist
Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/= stable/
GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/
gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org



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GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.g= nome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
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--001a1143b00a18d017055ddc799c-- From jdashiel@panix.com Mon Nov 13 13:10:17 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D1417630B for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 13:10:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.202 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.202 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kxQecldhqOZm for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 13:09:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C7E59764C7 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 13:09:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from panix1.panix.com (panix1.panix.com [166.84.1.1]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2277B116CA; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 08:09:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by panix1.panix.com (Postfix, from userid 20712) id DFA4814B9D; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 08:09:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by panix1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC02214B98; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 08:09:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 08:09:43 -0500 From: Jude DaShiell To: Krishnakant , Alex ARNAUD , Rob , orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <18c0b427-648a-0661-160f-bc6a9526127c@poczta.fm> <20171112.102925.709.30@[192.168.1.138]> <9877e20a-80c7-b6c9-2be1-b034595f1a36@hypra.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [orca-list] Making Chromium work with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 13:10:17 -0000 I couldn't get chromevox working with chromium on slint testing when I tried it. If any more accessibility work is done for chromium and it gets to a point where people are thinking it is or may be accessible I think axerciser needs to be used with logs being saved and provided to whoeer is doing the accessibility work so failures get detected and maybe repaired. A long time ago some accessibility configuration for chromium was available and did work with chromevox but version increases took that away. I tried the older set of instructions on an older system and got it working and it was for my limited use no different than chromevox on chrome at the time. On Mon, 13 Nov 2017, Krishnakant wrote: > Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 00:41:08 > From: Krishnakant > To: Alex ARNAUD , Rob , > orca-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: [orca-list] Making Chromium work with Orca > > > > On Sunday 12 November 2017 04:13 PM, Alex ARNAUD wrote: >> Le 12/11/2017 ? 11:29, Rob a ?crit?: >>> Alex ARNAUD wrote: >>> Chromium is not compatible with Orca. >>> >>> I wonder if that will ever change. What does it need to be compatible? >> >> The Chromium team should implement the accessibility back-end for >> GNU/Linux. I'm not involved inside the Chromium community so I don't know >> if there are bugs reports about the accessibility implementation for >> GNU/Linux. I don't know the status of the implementation for now. >> When Chromium will be compatible if this is the case one day Orca >> developers should write a script for it. > I guess they are not implementing ATK wrappers for chromium. > By the way do we just install chromvox and chromium to get accessibility? > Is there some command to start chromium with chromvox? > Does it give a good experience navigating? > And lastly will Orca need to be switched off whine it is used? > Happy hacking. > Krishnakant. > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > -- From didier@slint.fr Mon Nov 13 13:47:08 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3453A764C3 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 13:47:08 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.79 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.79 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JVwC7lcaPwE3 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 13:46:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.skip.jabatus.fr (mail.skip.jabatus.fr [109.234.163.89]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 79AD0764AA for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 13:46:26 +0000 (UTC) X-MailPropre-MailScanner-From: didier@slint.fr X-MailPropre-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.101, required 5, autolearn=disabled, DKIM_SIGNED 0.10, URIBL_BLOCKED 0.00) X-MailPropre-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailPropre-MailScanner-ID: 4D1747562FCA8.A63DD X-MailPropre-MailScanner-Information: Message sortant - Serveurs o2switch DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=slint.fr; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:Cc:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=EeP9B1n6m5aOHj6wa/TxF2OMzxDrvlmc2saGSMDYz2M=; b=FHroXHNE+5T3dq58AU28Rq4ah6 JqcUwNHAMM8MgSaszwTjiMKIH1Y5dBs4RUWJCaMRUO7+yZ0Bd+5FxHkLRt3JlVZzZRMx8z6XepcDi PEMuaeOxQ26MRFJmMeWr5vD9Jn8S3tTZPWAAzdMtvvudHIDsUnLjgzROSk6FVHWE2fio=; To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <18c0b427-648a-0661-160f-bc6a9526127c@poczta.fm> <20171112.102925.709.30@[192.168.1.138]> <9877e20a-80c7-b6c9-2be1-b034595f1a36@hypra.fr> From: Didier Spaier Cc: Eric HAMELEERS Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 14:46:21 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - fox.o2switch.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - slint.fr X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: fox.o2switch.net: authenticated_id: didier@slint.fr X-Authenticated-Sender: fox.o2switch.net: didier@slint.fr X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [orca-list] Making Chromium work with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 13:47:08 -0000 Hello, Le 13/11/2017 à 14:09, Jude DaShiell a écrit : > I couldn't get chromevox working with chromium on slint testing when > I tried it. If any more accessibility work is done for chromium and > it gets to a point where people are thinking it is or may be > accessible I think axerciser needs to be used with logs being saved > and provided to whoeer is doing the accessibility work so failures get > detected and maybe repaired. A long time ago some accessibility > configuration for chromium was available and did work with chromevox > but version increases took that away. I tried the older set of > instructions on an older system and got it working and it was for my > limited use no different than chromevox on chrome at the time. I have seen this that may be helpful: https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/lkcr/docs/accessibility/chromevox_on_desktop_linux.md However it seems that this needs the build tools ninja, not shipped in Slint so far. I am CCing Eric Hameleers aka AlienBoB, If he would like to provide a Chromium package with Chromevox enabled (if actually feasible) for Slackware64-14.2, then it would be usable on Slint too. Greetings, Didier > On Mon, 13 Nov 2017, Krishnakant wrote: > >> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 00:41:08 >> From: Krishnakant >> To: Alex ARNAUD , Rob , >>     orca-list@gnome.org >> Subject: Re: [orca-list] Making Chromium work with Orca >> >> >> >> On Sunday 12 November 2017 04:13 PM, Alex ARNAUD wrote: >>>  Le 12/11/2017 ? 11:29, Rob a ?crit?: >>>>  Alex ARNAUD wrote: >>>>  Chromium is not compatible with Orca. >>>> >>>>  I wonder if that will ever change. What does it need to be compatible? >>> >>>  The Chromium team should implement the accessibility back-end for >>>  GNU/Linux. I'm not involved inside the Chromium community so I don't know >>>  if there are bugs reports about the accessibility implementation for >>>  GNU/Linux. I don't know the status of the implementation for now. >>>  When Chromium will be compatible if this is the case one day Orca >>>  developers should write a script for it. >> I guess they are not implementing ATK wrappers for chromium. >> By the way do we just install chromvox and chromium to get accessibility? >> Is there some command to start chromium with chromvox? >> Does it give a good experience navigating? >> And lastly will Orca need to be switched off whine it is used? >> Happy hacking. >> Krishnakant. >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> > From nolan@thewordnerd.info Mon Nov 13 21:24:34 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6C11764DF for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 21:24:34 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UlcicC3YWFyx for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 21:23:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from aibo.runbox.com (aibo.runbox.com [91.220.196.211]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A57457649E for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 21:23:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.9.9.212] (helo=mailfront12.runbox.com) by mailtransmit02.runbox with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eEMCx-0001Ht-Sr for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 22:23:55 +0100 Received: from cpe-70-115-158-2.austin.res.rr.com ([70.115.158.2] helo=[192.168.0.192]) by mailfront12.runbox.com with esmtpsa (uid:843129 ) (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) id 1eEMCm-0006y8-OU for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 22:23:44 +0100 To: Orca From: Nolan Darilek Message-ID: <24e8dc22-10f3-7b89-5f62-4dd69cbfa6cd@thewordnerd.info> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 15:23:42 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: [orca-list] Orca segfaults X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 21:24:35 -0000 I'm experiencing lots of Orca segfaults when listening to MP3s in Firefox. Based on this debug log, it looks like it might have something to do with progress bars? Not sure if this is an Orca or pyatspi issue, but thought I'd send the log here for further insight. Orca master, Firefox 56, everything else is stock Fedora 26 with all updates applied. Thanks! 15:18:52 - EVENT MANAGER: object:property-change:accessible-value for [progress bar | ] in [application | Firefox] (0, 0, 0) 15:18:52 - EVENT MANAGER: Not ignoring due to lack of cause 15:18:52 - EVENT MANAGER: Queueing object:property-change:accessible-value [progress bar | ] (0,0,0) from [application | Firefox] 15:18:52 - EVENT MANAGER: object:text-changed:delete:system for [section | ] in [application | Firefox] (4, 1, 3)Fatal Python error: Segmentation fault Stack (most recent call first):   File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pyatspi/Accessibility.py", line 184 in   File "/usr/local/stow/orca/lib/python3.6/site-packages/orca/event_manager.py", line 264 in _queuePrintln   File "/usr/local/stow/orca/lib/python3.6/site-packages/orca/event_manager.py", line 338 in _dequeue   File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pyatspi/registry.py", line 155 in start   File "/usr/local/stow/orca/lib/python3.6/site-packages/orca/orca.py", line 556 in start   File "/usr/local/stow/orca/lib/python3.6/site-packages/orca/orca.py", line 707 in main   File "/usr/local/bin/orca", line 269 in main   File "/usr/local/bin/orca", line 272 in From lrs@dalen.lamasti.net Mon Nov 13 21:27:04 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A51347649E for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 21:27:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LSWgq_t9V8KG for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 21:26:34 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 518 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at restaurant.gnome.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 21:26:33 UTC Received: from dalen.lamasti.net (lamasti.net [195.159.152.110]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E88C7764AA for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 21:26:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dalen.lamasti.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02F8A2403E for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 22:17:51 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at lamasti.net Received: from dalen.lamasti.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dalen.lamasti.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tBU6jwiNfrnk for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 22:17:49 +0100 (CET) Received: by dalen.lamasti.net (Postfix, from userid 500) id C3E9D24044; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 22:17:49 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 22:17:49 +0100 From: Lars =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rndal?= To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20171113211749.GP27901@lamasti.net> References: <20170111174212.gfdwgnuo2o6w32e5@pema> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20170111174212.gfdwgnuo2o6w32e5@pema> User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Moving to the next / previous braille window X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 21:27:04 -0000 On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 06:42:12PM +0100, Shrab wrote: > Hi, > > At the moment, moving to the next (resp. previous) braille window can > be done thanks to the CMD_FWINRT (resp. CMD_FWINLT) braille command. > > There are, however, two other braille commands that are also very > frequently bound to braille keys, namely CMD_FWINRTSKIP and > CMD_FWINLTSKIP, which differ from the two first commands in that they > skip blank windows. > > Could Orca be modified to take the SKIP commands into acocunt? > > It is fine if they behave exactly as their non-skip counterparts. > > Thanks a lot in advance, > > Shrab. Have there been any progress in implementing this request/fix into Orca? I'm very interested as wll. Lars From mgorse@alum.wpi.edu Mon Nov 13 21:33:34 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 139CF7649E for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 21:33:34 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.093 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.093 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jqxMPPuqKl_1 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 21:33:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from MAIL1.WPI.EDU (mail1.wpi.edu [130.215.36.91]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94CFE764DF for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 21:33:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from MAIL1.WPI.EDU (MAIL1.WPI.EDU [130.215.36.91]) by MAIL1.WPI.EDU (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTP id vADLX013031780; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 16:33:00 -0500 DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 MAIL1.WPI.EDU vADLX013031780 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=wpi.edu; s=_dkim; t=1510608780; i=@wpi.edu; bh=uyGdhFpERI1VEBDnxkctnOJ9Qhhw6MGyHtNcorCzC2w=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=ajBcoc6go1R7UFVWXbBrweN8U/SsD5PHZG7YoK5S4TaKrLpSNTXi141CKpyIsXyZQ Tqo5aYIxTwjD5XRu7GafMmLanpUVtt/WkEDLQjSFoN1RB3R1jJW+DEypdvk7DB5xbH 5QfvOCRzijaNDm/Szgqz3sg1we3TcXycJiNxZVlc= Received: from mx3.wpi.edu (mx3.wpi.edu [130.215.36.147]) by MAIL1.WPI.EDU (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTP id vADLX0Yx031776; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 16:33:00 -0500 Received: from ALUM.WPI.EDU (alum.wpi.edu [130.215.36.126]) by mx3.wpi.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id vADLWxG2021171; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 16:33:00 -0500 (envelope-from mgorse@alum.wpi.edu) Received: from ALUM.WPI.EDU (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ALUM.WPI.EDU (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPS id vADLWwgt021296 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 13 Nov 2017 16:32:59 -0500 Received: from localhost (mgorse@localhost) by ALUM.WPI.EDU (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTP id vADLWwZq021292; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 16:32:58 -0500 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 16:32:58 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Gorse To: Nolan Darilek cc: Orca In-Reply-To: <24e8dc22-10f3-7b89-5f62-4dd69cbfa6cd@thewordnerd.info> Message-ID: References: <24e8dc22-10f3-7b89-5f62-4dd69cbfa6cd@thewordnerd.info> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (LRH 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIIII, Probability=8%, Report=' HTML_00_01 0.05, HTML_00_10 0.05, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_1000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_2000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_500_599 0, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS 0, DATE_TZ_NA 0, FROM_EDU_TLD 0, IN_REP_TO 0, LEGITIMATE_SIGNS 0, MSG_THREAD 0, MULTIPLE_REAL_RCPTS 0, NO_CTA_URI_FOUND 0, NO_URI_FOUND 0, NO_URI_HTTPS 0, REFERENCES 0, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ 0, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT 0, __CC_NAME 0, __CC_NAME_DIFF_FROM_ACC 0, __CC_REAL_NAMES 0, __CT 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __FORWARDED_MSG 0, __HAS_CC_HDR 0, __HAS_FROM 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __INT_PROD_MP3 0, __IN_REP_TO 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_TEXT_P 0, __MIME_TEXT_P1 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __NO_HTML_TAG_RAW 0, __PHISH_SPEAR_STRUCTURE_1 0, __REFERENCES 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __STOCK_PHRASE_6 0, __SUBJ_ALPHA_END 0, __SUBJ_ALPHA_NEGATE 0, __TO_MALFORMED_2 0, __TO_NAME 0, __TO_NAME_DIFF_FROM_ACC 0, __TO_REAL_NAMES 0, __USER_AGENT 0' Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca segfaults X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 21:33:34 -0000 On Mon, 13 Nov 2017, Nolan Darilek wrote: > I'm experiencing lots of Orca segfaults when listening to MP3s in > Firefox. Based on this debug log, it looks like it might have something > to do with progress bars? Not sure if this is an Orca or pyatspi issue, > but thought I'd send the log here for further insight. Orca master, > Firefox 56, everything else is stock Fedora 26 with all updates applied. Could be an AT-SPI issue. What version of at-spi2-core are you using? Do you have a core? Could you install debug symbols as needed and get a backtrace? Thanks, -Mike From jdiggs@igalia.com Mon Nov 13 21:39:38 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10F9776545 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 21:39:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.791 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.791 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dXFHiAaAPq-C for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 21:38:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [91.117.99.155]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 697AE7649E for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 21:38:57 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:Cc:References:To:Subject; bh=nAtJ1F9TcCTP3JMuy5jZzTxwTB+yXfop5pjJAjJzc+c=; b=TE7VuVWofrJG6glhgvdj5EVjEPR5UZjGbfyUzB2D/7/3ccyQ40xUvZozoo8YJOLzpNyRGeC5eSTIUx3ClzR6Li98C+tsHKW21wAcGin97dDcFXT9sDFy5+hW+ueC4u2/XHDUlv+FFMn5Fc3PHmMhtXkf4T0NWxbELWrOxvPgu16+vMk8lbht372WJLyqlnP68omsr8rZ5q8aH238o4v8lOY1QqG6qA88IN5Jx+Ey86F066PA0KeB7IimD5f72GOd3BNOfAkG46uehB1QpFNjV2Zt4S6tnRGCsPw8IxitiJpYsKKnBxgeUlXxFHrEQXhj+MQhoo7xBPhDVYWGj+3E4Q==; Received: from c-24-91-94-186.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([24.91.94.186] helo=[192.168.35.111]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1eEMRR-0002Hk-4Z; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 22:38:53 +0100 To: Nolan Darilek References: <24e8dc22-10f3-7b89-5f62-4dd69cbfa6cd@thewordnerd.info> Cc: Orca From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 16:38:41 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <24e8dc22-10f3-7b89-5f62-4dd69cbfa6cd@thewordnerd.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca segfaults X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 21:39:38 -0000 Might be https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=767074. On 11/13/2017 04:23 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote: > I'm experiencing lots of Orca segfaults when listening to MP3s in > Firefox. Based on this debug log, it looks like it might have something > to do with progress bars? Not sure if this is an Orca or pyatspi issue, > but thought I'd send the log here for further insight. Orca master, > Firefox 56, everything else is stock Fedora 26 with all updates applied. > > > Thanks! > > > 15:18:52 - EVENT MANAGER: object:property-change:accessible-value for > [progress bar | ] in [application | Firefox] (0, 0, 0) > 15:18:52 - EVENT MANAGER: Not ignoring due to lack of cause > 15:18:52 - EVENT MANAGER: Queueing > object:property-change:accessible-value [progress bar | ] (0,0,0) from > [application | Firefox] > > 15:18:52 - EVENT MANAGER: object:text-changed:delete:system for [section > | ] in [application | Firefox] (4, 1, 3)Fatal Python error: Segmentation > fault > > Stack (most recent call first): >   File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pyatspi/Accessibility.py", line > 184 in >   File > "/usr/local/stow/orca/lib/python3.6/site-packages/orca/event_manager.py", line > 264 in _queuePrintln >   File > "/usr/local/stow/orca/lib/python3.6/site-packages/orca/event_manager.py", line > 338 in _dequeue >   File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pyatspi/registry.py", line 155 > in start >   File "/usr/local/stow/orca/lib/python3.6/site-packages/orca/orca.py", > line 556 in start >   File "/usr/local/stow/orca/lib/python3.6/site-packages/orca/orca.py", > line 707 in main >   File "/usr/local/bin/orca", line 269 in main >   File "/usr/local/bin/orca", line 272 in > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From mgorse@alum.wpi.edu Mon Nov 13 21:42:08 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A36EB76544 for ; 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BOUNDARY="-679313884-1076652270-1510609284=:20840" X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIIII, Probability=8%, Report=' HTML_00_01 0.05, HTML_00_10 0.05, MIME_TEXT_ONLY_MP_MIXED 0.05, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_1000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_2000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_900_999 0, DATE_TZ_NA 0, FROM_EDU_TLD 0, IN_REP_TO 0, LEGITIMATE_SIGNS 0, MSG_THREAD 0, MULTIPLE_REAL_RCPTS 0, REFERENCES 0, SMALL_BODY 0, URI_WITH_PATH_ONLY 0, __ANY_URI 0, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ 0, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT 0, __CC_NAME 0, __CC_NAME_DIFF_FROM_ACC 0, __CC_REAL_NAMES 0, __CP_URI_IN_BODY 0, __CT 0, __CTYPE_HAS_BOUNDARY 0, __CTYPE_MULTIPART 0, __CTYPE_MULTIPART_MIXED 0, __HAS_CC_HDR 0, __HAS_FROM 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HTTPS_URI 0, __IN_REP_TO 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_TEXT_P 0, __MIME_TEXT_P1 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __PHISH_SPEAR_STRUCTURE_1 0, __REFERENCES 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __SUBJ_ALPHA_END 0, __SUBJ_ALPHA_NEGATE 0, __TO_MALFORMED_2 0, __TO_NAME 0, __TO_NAME_DIFF_FROM_ACC 0, __TO_REAL_NAMES 0, __URI_IN_BODY 0, __URI_NOT_IMG 0, __URI_NO_MAILTO 0, __URI_NO_WWW 0, __URI_NS , __URI_WITH_PATH 0, __USER_AGENT 0' Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca segfaults X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 21:42:08 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---679313884-1076652270-1510609284=:20840 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Mon, 13 Nov 2017, Nolan Darilek wrote: >   File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pyatspi/Accessibility.py", > line 184 in Actually, that seems to be this code: ### event ### Atspi.Event.host_application = property(fget=lambda x: x.source.get_application()) Could be an instance of https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=767074 If you're using something older than 2.26.0, then it's possible that upgrading at-spi2-core will help (I still don't really understand why that crash was happening, but I made some changes that reportedly fixed it). -Mike ---679313884-1076652270-1510609284=:20840-- From nolan@thewordnerd.info Mon Nov 13 22:12:58 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E06A764C8 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 22:12:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z2RqqI2Gi4wH for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 22:12:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from aibo.runbox.com (aibo.runbox.com [91.220.196.211]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 65E93764C9 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 22:12:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.9.9.211] (helo=mailfront11.runbox.com) by mailtransmit03.runbox with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eEMxr-0000TR-P2 for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 23:12:23 +0100 Received: from cpe-70-115-158-2.austin.res.rr.com ([70.115.158.2] helo=[192.168.0.192]) by mailfront11.runbox.com with esmtpsa (uid:843129 ) (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) id 1eEMxi-0001RY-Hi for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 23:12:14 +0100 To: Orca References: <24e8dc22-10f3-7b89-5f62-4dd69cbfa6cd@thewordnerd.info> From: Nolan Darilek Message-ID: <58617cfc-edf7-cefb-de1c-934fc5f233d0@thewordnerd.info> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 16:12:12 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca segfaults X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 22:12:58 -0000 at-spi2-core 2.24.1. I do get a coredump, though I don't quite know how to open it up in coredumpctl, or indeed if it would matter since I doubt Fedora builds debugging symbols in by default. Could happily install them if someone told me how. I am almost reliably reproducing this bug by: 1. Playing an MP3 directly in Firefox (I.e. visit an MP3 link directly so the built-in player plays it.) 2. Set progress bar updates to beeps. 3. Switch away from the window. 4. Turn off speech. I'm not sure if any or all of these are necessary. Usually, if it doesn't happen after a few minutes of listening, a few cycles of speech off and on plus a few window changes triggers it. I'm not experiencing crashes closing apps, but since I started doing what I've described Orca is pretty reliably segfaulting. Thanks. On 11/13/2017 03:32 PM, Mike Gorse wrote: > On Mon, 13 Nov 2017, Nolan Darilek wrote: > >> I'm experiencing lots of Orca segfaults when listening to MP3s in >> Firefox. Based on this debug log, it looks like it might have >> something to do with progress bars? Not sure if this is an Orca or >> pyatspi issue, but thought I'd send the log here for further insight. >> Orca master, Firefox 56, everything else is stock Fedora 26 with all >> updates applied. > > Could be an AT-SPI issue. What version of at-spi2-core are you using? > Do you have a core? Could you install debug symbols as needed and get > a backtrace? > > Thanks, > -Mike > From vilmar@informal.com.br Mon Nov 13 22:18:37 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2870A764AA for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 22:18:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.789 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.789 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R9FVw1MsmXT9 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 22:17:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qt0-f171.google.com (mail-qt0-f171.google.com [209.85.216.171]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4C050764C8 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 22:17:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qt0-f171.google.com with SMTP id c36so15377112qtc.11 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 14:17:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=informal-com-br.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=reply-to:subject:to:references:from:organization:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language; bh=txtAFQ7SkL66xaYkcsofiSTB3WCdkgFVnbe2W/PQG5g=; b=qOElIiU66XP47KwhXvfz4PtFBpMRBhQdNinjPbJLAzOfE+unrXaPjJAseVHuZrrdhk G1/Ew24/r4I/wlCVR/df+1ph48IJvPhLjqfNz1nnZy1bbH/YVT8cUd8+d4MuJ8anvfKs uZWS8KosgrEhUuzdBAh7lKFrcQ2kg3vVr/dk6GRnVjp2TSsK9Wxwizc3CY2WlaxCha2G R0ejIpTBt/Z8DBXgXZRF1Q0s1XSw9e7sAsesYz/ICyzPMGRujXtiIJutSR2DNbuUWGae /3e0oGUAZaHl0UYlnPOWs8Gc/ClQMeKcaI7KGIpr6r64pw+QaWeyp4RAqNt3Lu8H1ZoP XBzA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:reply-to:subject:to:references:from:organization :message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-language; bh=txtAFQ7SkL66xaYkcsofiSTB3WCdkgFVnbe2W/PQG5g=; b=psPcnykg/A2ncRvKB1surdiWlcgOFbI2qlLNuThBNy81UJP7BkL2y3zlQFkLnIVS2H kZcQSN7BN2dWZAPf0aXiWoR/VFIG5DLaE/q95hPNGddpsfkWjI1R4iR5Qb1PoO/pycu6 zGGjaHr62jF3A+od0t5jt8APGYrPv3dOya0ygcrjfpPm0HuqL5rVxhk4+36BSVNJdCAI P1cnZ+G1QeAYtHHajBAOLb9D60i/3KS9QaSwvN86curefJAWNfeJQ6lYLoEJzkms/owE LbjfqdfOmQzZ2vz1FjMfew7hbTxZmM2clgOaLM7qy8GGHtjnIZIaco106xTADSoF9UsJ O1Mg== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX6WVc3UVw9QP4BzEH7T/FsuHkou48N1NijxrrLb3+HMlXLQllZs 9/Ri1eQHCmjkASfSsrrD0jLQoFYQ X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMbatGksjAOSLZj3jJualuUxnGKPk4uWUPrFmv+L2W9ShfEOjeq6F96Wfu7LQvXhMO3prnmArQ== X-Received: by 10.237.42.131 with SMTP id t3mr16474211qtd.188.1510611473891; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 14:17:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.182] ([189.60.17.53]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v21sm11871170qtv.21.2017.11.13.14.17.51 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 13 Nov 2017 14:17:53 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: vilmar@informal.com.br To: Nolan Darilek , Orca References: <24e8dc22-10f3-7b89-5f62-4dd69cbfa6cd@thewordnerd.info> <58617cfc-edf7-cefb-de1c-934fc5f233d0@thewordnerd.info> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jos=c3=a9_Vilmar_Est=c3=a1cio_de_Souza?= Organization: Informal Informatica LTDA Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 20:17:47 -0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <58617cfc-edf7-cefb-de1c-934fc5f233d0@thewordnerd.info> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------479EA7911F77EDB3BC2D7573" Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca segfaults X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 22:18:37 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------479EA7911F77EDB3BC2D7573 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In generel I use the following command to open the dump: coredumctl gdb This opens the last dump using gdb. My environment is arch linux but I believe that it works in fedora. On 11/13/2017 08:12 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote: > at-spi2-core 2.24.1. I do get a coredump, though I don't quite know > how to open it up in coredumpctl, or indeed if it would matter since I > doubt Fedora builds debugging symbols in by default. Could happily > install them if someone told me how. > > > I am almost reliably reproducing this bug by: > > > 1. Playing an MP3 directly in Firefox (I.e. visit an MP3 link directly > so the built-in player plays it.) > > 2. Set progress bar updates to beeps. > > 3. Switch away from the window. > > 4. Turn off speech. > > > I'm not sure if any or all of these are necessary. Usually, if it > doesn't happen after a few minutes of listening, a few cycles of > speech off and on plus a few window changes triggers it. I'm not > experiencing crashes closing apps, but since I started doing what I've > described Orca is pretty reliably segfaulting. > > > Thanks. > > > > On 11/13/2017 03:32 PM, Mike Gorse wrote: >> On Mon, 13 Nov 2017, Nolan Darilek wrote: >> >>> I'm experiencing lots of Orca segfaults when listening to MP3s in >>> Firefox. Based on this debug log, it looks like it might have >>> something to do with progress bars? Not sure if this is an Orca or >>> pyatspi issue, but thought I'd send the log here for further >>> insight. Orca master, Firefox 56, everything else is stock Fedora 26 >>> with all updates applied. >> >> Could be an AT-SPI issue. What version of at-spi2-core are you using? >> Do you have a core? Could you install debug symbols as needed and get >> a backtrace? >> >> Thanks, >> -Mike >> > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org -- Assinatura Informal José Vilmar, Telefones: 21 2555-2650 e 21 98868-0859, Skype: jvilmar --------------479EA7911F77EDB3BC2D7573 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

In generel I use the following command to open the dump:



coredumctl gdb


This opens the last dump using gdb.

My environment is arch linux but I believe that it works in fedora.


On 11/13/2017 08:12 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote:
at-spi2-core 2.24.1. I do get a coredump, though I don't quite know how to open it up in coredumpctl, or indeed if it would matter since I doubt Fedora builds debugging symbols in by default. Could happily install them if someone told me how.


I am almost reliably reproducing this bug by:


1. Playing an MP3 directly in Firefox (I.e. visit an MP3 link directly so the built-in player plays it.)

2. Set progress bar updates to beeps.

3. Switch away from the window.

4. Turn off speech.


I'm not sure if any or all of these are necessary. Usually, if it doesn't happen after a few minutes of listening, a few cycles of speech off and on plus a few window changes triggers it. I'm not experiencing crashes closing apps, but since I started doing what I've described Orca is pretty reliably segfaulting.


Thanks.



On 11/13/2017 03:32 PM, Mike Gorse wrote:
On Mon, 13 Nov 2017, Nolan Darilek wrote:

I'm experiencing lots of Orca segfaults when listening to MP3s in Firefox. Based on this debug log, it looks like it might have something to do with progress bars? Not sure if this is an Orca or pyatspi issue, but thought I'd send the log here for further insight. Orca master, Firefox 56, everything else is stock Fedora 26 with all updates applied.

Could be an AT-SPI issue. What version of at-spi2-core are you using? Do you have a core? Could you install debug symbols as needed and get a backtrace?

Thanks,
-Mike


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--------------479EA7911F77EDB3BC2D7573-- From dahunt@posteo.de Tue Nov 14 04:21:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05409764C8 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 04:21:27 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.202 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.202 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S4Shff9MjdgC for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 04:21:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout02.posteo.de (mout02.posteo.de [185.67.36.66]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A3F2876223 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 04:21:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CFBA920BE4 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 05:21:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3ybZ7b3gdjzytZ; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 05:20:58 +0100 (CET) To: am_dxer@fastmail.fm, Alex ARNAUD , debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org, orca-list@gnome.org References: <20171113223454.o3kzolquodyw3xp3@var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr> From: David Hunt Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 23:20:56 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20171113223454.o3kzolquodyw3xp3@var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] Sound Parameters on Net Installer? Need speech for accessibility X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 04:21:27 -0000 I booted the new image on a machine with which the sound chooser does not work on the released images.  I'm happy to report, the sound board selector works on this one, though I did not yet do a full install; that's tomorrow. 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X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 10:12:41 -0000 Hello, Le 13/11/2017 à 13:33, Peter Vágner a écrit : > Hello, > > Oh I am sorry there are two drivers ssip and brltty. Braille won't work > there I think. Well It's supposed to work, as I ship everything found in the source archive in the package. Easy way to check the files installed from the package: less /var/log/packages/speechd-el* Of course you can use more or most if you prefer. Also, you will find documents found in the archive in /usr/doc/speechd-el-2.8/ including speechd-el.html that seems to confirm that. So, my assumption is that braille should work, but I will check starting brltty with a tt driver later today. Greetings, Didier > Greetings > > Peter > > > 2017-11-13 13:31 GMT+01:00 Peter Vágner : > >> Hello, >> >> I think you can just move the line saying >> (setq speechd-out-active-drivers '(ssip )) >> at the top of these three lines and you won't get that warning again. >> By default there are two drivers ssip and braille. >> Another way on how you can tweak this and also other speechd-el settings >> is via so called customize interface. >> M-x customize-group speechd-el >> >> Greetings >> >> Peter >> >> >> 2017-11-12 20:01 GMT+01:00 Jude DaShiell : >> >>> in my .emacs file first three lines are: >>> (autoload 'speechd-speak "speechd-speak" nil t) >>> (speechd-speak) >>> (setq speechd-out-active-drivers '(ssip )) >>> When speechd-el starts up I'm told to customize it to remove drivers that >>> are not needed. >>> I need to know what drivers are used and also need to know what to do to >>> remove unused drivers. Finally, I do not want to break anything doing the >>> adjustments. >>> On Wed, 1 Nov 2017, Peter V?gner wrote: >>> >>> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 15:42:11 >>>> From: Peter V?gner >>>> To: Didier Spaier >>>> Cc: orca-list >>>> Subject: Re: [orca-list] speechd-el vs emacspeak. >>>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> I was under an impression this discussion is complete however today while >>>> reading some old list archives I have came accross an older posting by >>>> Milan Zamazal (speechd-el main developer) which I think is still very >>>> informative even today. >>>> So if you are still wondering about emacspeak vs speechd-el differences >>>> and >>>> you are interested in a bit of technical background, please have a look >>>> here: >>>> https://www.cs.vassar.edu/~priestdo/emacspeak/list.archive.2 >>>> 006/msg00026.html >>>> >>>> Greetings >>>> >>>> Peter >>>> >>>> 2017-10-23 11:43 GMT+02:00 Didier Spaier : >>>> >>>> Le 21/10/2017 ? 15:18, Didier Spaier a ?crit : >>>>> >>>>>> On the web, I see that some people /run/user/somedir but we don't have >>>>>> a /run directory. I could just use /tmp/user/somedir or >>>>>> ~/.cache/somedir >>>>>> as seems to do at-spi (but it doen't remove that after a reboot, which >>>>>> is annoying). >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I stand corrected: indeed we have a /run directory but only in a running >>>>> system as it is a tmpfs. >>>>> >>>>> But as it's owned by root we'll use /dev/shm instead that we can >>>>> populate as regular user, see this post for a follow-up: >>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/orca-list/2017-October/msg00318.html >>>>> >>>>> Greetings, >>>>> >>>>> Didier >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/ >>>>> gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/g >>> nome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > From didier@slint.fr Tue Nov 14 11:01:18 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD77A76A57 for ; 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a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=slint.fr; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:From:References:Cc:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=glvo7nKGLjMDhbtk2ezJyHZUGWFkZubI+I7DXHamhVI=; b=joBbtQyRORO52aLNvwLKiUyQ4e skoeHT2KVpCimiVJmsHWCasrop1fqiuqrYe9ZnSCJ6YwpYkeJIfMw1D9t8uFkxPJtxDuueQ37Sizt 6FOV4GDP6OX+nN/flqn4B7Rbu8Ai3RM6ZiJjQWU2i2wPsvHWvn2PCFZkuA3+18R03Lww=; To: eric.hameleers@alienbase.nl Cc: orca-list@gnome.org References: <18c0b427-648a-0661-160f-bc6a9526127c@poczta.fm> <20171112.102925.709.30@[192.168.1.138]> <9877e20a-80c7-b6c9-2be1-b034595f1a36@hypra.fr> From: Didier Spaier Message-ID: <078cd174-df5b-5612-c4d2-ed9d8cc7c1e1@slint.fr> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 12:00:25 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - fox.o2switch.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - slint.fr X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: fox.o2switch.net: authenticated_id: didier@slint.fr X-Authenticated-Sender: fox.o2switch.net: didier@slint.fr X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [orca-list] Making Chromium work with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 11:01:18 -0000 Hello, Le 14/11/2017 à 11:13, Eric Hameleers a écrit : > Didier, > > I am not going to build a chromebox-enabled chromium - the instructions you refer to are not compatible with my own build script. They are for developers only. > > However, it is extremely simple to get chromevox if you have a recent enough Chromium (56 or newer). > > Make sure you do not have chromium running. > As root, do: > # mkdir /usr/lib64/chromium/extensions > # cd /usr/lib64/chromium/extensions > # wget http://the-brannons.com/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn.json > The /usr/lib64/chromium is a correct path for my own 64bit chromium installation, adapt to your own situation if needed. > > Now back to your regular user account, start chromium. wait a bit and chromevox should be downloaded into ~/.config/chromium/Default/Extensions/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn and made available to you. It worked, thanks a lot Eric! I have a Chromevox icon that gives access to a web page about it and: "Options", "remove from Chromium", "Mask in the Chromium menu" and "Manage extensions". Although it doesn't speak (yet), just emit sounds associated with actions like a click. Also they say in https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn "Note: ChromeVox is still in development and currently doesn’t work in conjunction with desktop screen readers. In order to best use ChromeVox on your computer, you will need to disable your desktop screen reader when using ChromeVox." which seems to preclude using it with also Orca enabled... I will have to investigate further to check but for now to answer Krishnakant if that's true then yes, Orca needs to be switched off when it is used. Slint64-14.2.1 users can get Eric's Chromium package un-commenting this line in /etc/slapt-get/slapt-getrc #SOURCE=http://slackware.uk/people/alien/sbrepos/14.2/x86_64/:DEFAULT then running: slapt-get --add-keys slapt-get -u slapt-get -i chromium Then follow Eric's instructions above. Greetings, Didier > On Mon, 13 Nov 2017, Didier Spaier wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> Le 13/11/2017 à 14:09, Jude DaShiell a écrit : >>> I couldn't get chromevox working with chromium on slint testing when >>> I tried it.  If any more accessibility work is done for chromium and >>> it gets to a point where people are thinking it is or may be >>> accessible I think axerciser needs to be used with logs being saved >>> and provided to whoeer is doing the accessibility work so failures get >>> detected and maybe repaired.  A long time ago some accessibility >>> configuration for chromium was available and did work with chromevox >>> but version increases took that away.  I tried the older set of >>> instructions on an older system and got it working and it was for my >>> limited use no different than chromevox on chrome at the time. >> >> I have seen this that may be helpful: >> https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/lkcr/docs/accessibility/chromevox_on_desktop_linux.md >> >> However it seems that this needs the build tools ninja, not shipped in >> Slint so far. >> >> I am CCing Eric Hameleers aka AlienBoB, If he would like to provide a >> Chromium package with Chromevox enabled (if actually feasible) for >> Slackware64-14.2, then it would be usable on Slint too. >> >> Greetings, >> >> Didier >> >> >>> On Mon, 13 Nov 2017, Krishnakant wrote: >>> >>>> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 00:41:08 >>>> From: Krishnakant >>>> To: Alex ARNAUD , Rob , >>>>     orca-list@gnome.org >>>> Subject: Re: [orca-list] Making Chromium work with Orca >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sunday 12 November 2017 04:13 PM, Alex ARNAUD wrote: >>>>>  Le 12/11/2017 ? 11:29, Rob a ?crit?: >>>>>>  Alex ARNAUD wrote: >>>>>>  Chromium is not compatible with Orca. >>>>>> >>>>>>  I wonder if that will ever change. What does it need to be compatible? >>>>> >>>>>  The Chromium team should implement the accessibility back-end for >>>>>  GNU/Linux. I'm not involved inside the Chromium community so I don't know >>>>>  if there are bugs reports about the accessibility implementation for >>>>>  GNU/Linux. I don't know the status of the implementation for now. >>>>>  When Chromium will be compatible if this is the case one day Orca >>>>>  developers should write a script for it. >>>> I guess they are not implementing ATK wrappers for chromium. >>>> By the way do we just install chromvox and chromium to get accessibility? >>>> Is there some command to start chromium with chromvox? >>>> Does it give a good experience navigating? >>>> And lastly will Orca need to be switched off whine it is used? >>>> Happy hacking. >>>> Krishnakant. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>> >>> >> From vsmiro@seznam.cz Tue Nov 14 11:17:28 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76BFD76A23 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 11:17:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.791 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.791 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TsZFo_i7pEaf for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 11:16:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mxc2.seznam.cz (mxc2.seznam.cz [77.75.77.23]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E82C76A5D for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 11:16:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from email.seznam.cz by email-smtpc1b.ng.seznam.cz (email-smtpc1b.ng.seznam.cz [10.23.13.15]) id 0ac9dfda1f518c800b232ec6; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 12:16:42 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seznam.cz; s=beta; t=1510658202; bh=Z/kHdFy32BQ1tSsOUt0X8a1g4zn2r+YrWZpTK/zQJbQ=; h=Received:To:From:Subject:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=caOFk1JXrER416rcanOPcrSNRGCStO810mNNvw2swCgsNRhmT1JqoIFYogoPju+Zl OT7wWn3MnnNohyhsPgQUMEINIsq3h9JkOO3rL11o9OYE6MaFXUbNXjmrI9XSYrdX0m KN3AnTjJWGUSkwPn1quCEWb3iWiBGkp5YLmJ0Y68= Received: from [192.168.1.181] (host-213-235-142-85.ip.topnet.cz [213.235.142.85]) by email-relay6.ng.seznam.cz (Seznam SMTPD 1.3.67) with ESMTP; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 12:16:36 +0100 (CET) To: Jason White via orca-list From: =?UTF-8?B?Vm9qdMSbY2ggxaFtaXJv?= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 12:16:35 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:51.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/51.0 SeaMonkey/2.48 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Sound icons in Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 11:17:28 -0000 Hello. Is some way to make sound icons in Orca? I would like to have this. Orca will not say buttons, links, checkboxes, but it wil play sound. Is it possible? Thanks. Best regards Vojta. From rpoitevin@hypra.fr Tue Nov 14 12:44:05 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 251B276ADA for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 12:44:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.791 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.791 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uOQD9G0C2cRQ for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 12:43:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra.fr (hypra.fr [62.210.38.35]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8AFAA76A56 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 12:43:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (140-78-190-109.dsl.ovh.fr [109.190.78.140]) by hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id ACA34580F5E; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 13:43:20 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hypra.fr; s=mail; t=1510663401; bh=+b6Kg5bE4WfPzn+yLumhAYFiqdjl9gT5zbaKhaLp10o=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=QRnH7QAmud7i+EFyV1r6SDkpMNRZUQWE3zfFhgPi9wj6edlccz6E8v02uhjocZ9K0 ksBEsM/P2OxWHiVvCuy80w3p+uhibXjlOFWxm1UDvv5AzK4Bjqx+Ug6SfrucTgoEhw VS1Va+unZwvNT7WI1UpMB8bK5t7/2Lb2UrfE6X3s= To: Didier Spaier , eric.hameleers@alienbase.nl Cc: orca-list@gnome.org References: <18c0b427-648a-0661-160f-bc6a9526127c@poczta.fm> <20171112.102925.709.30@[192.168.1.138]> <9877e20a-80c7-b6c9-2be1-b034595f1a36@hypra.fr> <078cd174-df5b-5612-c4d2-ed9d8cc7c1e1@slint.fr> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Rapha=c3=abl_POITEVIN?= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 13:43:17 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <078cd174-df5b-5612-c4d2-ed9d8cc7c1e1@slint.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: fr-FR Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Making Chromium work with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 12:44:05 -0000 Hello, On 11/14/2017 12:00 PM, Didier Spaier wrote: > Although it doesn't speak (yet), just emit sounds associated with actions like a click. Just add a call to speech-dispatcher : sudo vi /etc/chromium.d/default-flags Add those lines at the end of file: # Enable speech-dispatcher export CHROMIUM_FLAGS="$CHROMIUM_FLAGS --enable-speech-synthesis --enable-speech-dispatcher" raphaël From didier@slint.fr Tue Nov 14 13:52:39 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 100DE761DF for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 13:52:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.79 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.79 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m8A72flY3UBB for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 13:51:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.immortal.jabatus.fr (mail.immortal.jabatus.fr [109.234.163.76]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 99C8676214 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 13:51:58 +0000 (UTC) X-MailPropre-MailScanner-From: didier@slint.fr X-MailPropre-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.101, required 5, autolearn=disabled, DKIM_SIGNED 0.10, URIBL_BLOCKED 0.00) X-MailPropre-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailPropre-MailScanner-ID: E255876EA8819.A7A8A X-MailPropre-MailScanner-Information: Message sortant - Serveurs o2switch DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=slint.fr; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:From:References:Cc:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=6raFfPuPCCsJcQ5FgCMhzkVsGjumopuGfzS0ha8rX2Y=; b=NF4KEZCDWlBKjZ9ul06CAXsfOD jB5H5jAWkh42BMFt57M59mFnbUfFslEpF9JeKY20XrY1TZDW2QA88k/rNNJl72eLfyyUAsIeH2SDc zIhhY5yEQZ/fLVU561sVS3o6p91kv6wmlJluTHgo2AW0wrEMrNyFhNRdh04mwWL30EbI=; To: =?UTF-8?Q?Rapha=c3=abl_POITEVIN?= Cc: eric.hameleers@alienbase.nl, orca-list@gnome.org References: <18c0b427-648a-0661-160f-bc6a9526127c@poczta.fm> <20171112.102925.709.30@[192.168.1.138]> <9877e20a-80c7-b6c9-2be1-b034595f1a36@hypra.fr> <078cd174-df5b-5612-c4d2-ed9d8cc7c1e1@slint.fr> From: Didier Spaier Message-ID: <33054694-b2bb-6882-d642-43a8100eb35a@slint.fr> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 14:51:53 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - fox.o2switch.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - slint.fr X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: fox.o2switch.net: authenticated_id: didier@slint.fr X-Authenticated-Sender: fox.o2switch.net: didier@slint.fr X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [orca-list] Making Chromium work with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 13:52:39 -0000 Hello, Le 14/11/2017 à 13:43, Raphaël POITEVIN a écrit : > Hello, > > On 11/14/2017 12:00 PM, Didier Spaier wrote: >> Although it doesn't speak (yet), just emit sounds associated with actions like a click. > > Just add a call to speech-dispatcher : > sudo vi /etc/chromium.d/default-flags > Add those lines at the end of file: > > # Enable speech-dispatcher > export CHROMIUM_FLAGS="$CHROMIUM_FLAGS --enable-speech-synthesis --enable-speech-dispatcher" > > raphaël Thanks a lot Raphaêl, that did the trick! Furthermore, this works also with Orca enabled. Good news! Speech-dispatcher really does a good job, to bad Luke be leaving the project. Thanks Luke! I also confirm that all espeak-ng voices are available in the drop-down list "Voices" options of ChromeVox. To Slint users: the line mentioned by Raphaël are to be included in /etc/chromium/00-default.conf, instead of /etc/chromium.d/default-flags I will include relevant instructions in Slint's documentation. Greetings, Didier From dahunt@posteo.de Tue Nov 14 17:23:14 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C13976214 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 17:23:14 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B7DSCCA09SOL for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 17:22:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout02.posteo.de (mout02.posteo.de [185.67.36.66]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DF75F762F8 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 17:22:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 79C2A20D51 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 18:22:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3ybvTR2vsvzyqC; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 18:22:34 +0100 (CET) To: am_dxer@fastmail.fm, Alex ARNAUD , debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org, orca-list@gnome.org References: <20171113223454.o3kzolquodyw3xp3@var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr> From: David Hunt Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 12:22:31 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20171113223454.o3kzolquodyw3xp3@var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] Sound Parameters on Net Installer? Need speech for accessibility X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 17:23:14 -0000 I am now running a system, installed using this mini iso.  Thanks for the sound board chooser fix; it works for my troublesome situation.  Others should probsbly test; hope what fixed sound for me didn't break it for someone else. Thanks, David On 11/13/2017 05:34 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote: > It seems I have found some issues with the Debian installer soundboard > selector. From simon.eigeldinger@vol.at Tue Nov 14 19:04:45 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F73A76219 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 19:04:45 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L8DowArp2LDX for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 19:04:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rmisp-mx-out1.tele.net (rmisp-mx-out1.tele.net [194.183.132.17]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5A2E876214 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 19:04:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.178.20] (194-208-201-238.tele.net [194.208.201.238]) by rmisp-mx-out1.tele.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 3938E10E3CA8 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 20:04:10 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org From: Simon Eigeldinger Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 20:04:10 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 171114-0, 14.11.2017), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [orca-list] maybe an old topic: no sound on linux because of HDMI and other things X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 19:04:45 -0000 Hi all, I guess that has been experienced by some people on the latest computers. the sound seems to come out of hdmi instead of the analog audio. Has someone written a script or something to detect the sound cards, playing something (maybe with espeak) like a number or something and then be able to enter that number so the right card can be used to set it as the default card. or is there something different? I have a braille display so i was able to access the system using brltty but speech would also be nice to have. 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[71.8.135.6]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 128sm5621644ite.4.2017.11.14.11.33.53 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 14 Nov 2017 11:33:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20171114.193353.080.34@[192.168.1.138]> From: "Rob" To: orca-list@gnome.org Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 13:33:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: POP Peeper Pro (4.4.1.0) Subject: Re: [orca-list] maybe an old topic: no sound on linux because of HDMI and other things X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 19:34:18 -0000 Simon Eigeldinger via orca-list Has someone written a script or something to detect the sound cards, playing something (maybe with espeak) like a number or something and then be able to enter that number so the right card can be used to set it as the default card. I know Talking Arch has a sound card selection script that does what you = want. You can find it on its live media. From janina@rednote.net Wed Nov 15 15:04:28 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBE0476BBC for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 15:04:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.791 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.791 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NK35U8EKZwCF for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 15:03:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from opera.rednote.net (opera.rednote.net [66.228.34.147]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B1EE876209 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 15:03:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rednote.net (localhost [IPv6:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1]) by opera.rednote.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id vAFF3iYv002458 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 15 Nov 2017 15:03:45 GMT DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 opera.rednote.net vAFF3iYv002458 Authentication-Results: opera.rednote.net; dmarc=pass (p=reject dis=none) header.from=rednote.net Authentication-Results: opera.rednote.net; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=janina@rednote.net DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 opera.rednote.net vAFF3iYv002458 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=rednote.net; s=default; t=1510758225; bh=9oheOwVrGo10UBVOX86JxEdSkE2em7QCuklUTq+qCOw=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=ci6ApclfCHCIP4CjMQrhwW/BL8/ggEy7i7oFzTeaBIV2vyZIXiES6IVW8hr1WuofE f37GOpRueuv3SLwX0I0zKD38MtanW82ZL39UhbFUJSDo2OhQyfR04Fhtw7aT6Jqzel 5XHOfcaBholI9GmReSOowKRK8KTZ97622nqM6Jqs= Received: (from janina@localhost) by rednote.net (8.15.2/8.14.6/Submit) id vAFF3hg3002454; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 10:03:43 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 10:03:43 -0500 From: Janina Sajka To: chrys Cc: jheim@math.wisc.edu, orca-list Message-ID: <20171115150343.GA23584@rednote.net> References: <20170819175629.GD13793@rednote.net> <20170819182431.GG13787@rednote.net> <8b3aac06-9cfe-633e-adca-0605f70c8089@linux-a11y.org> <7374bc7b-a252-20e1-8c20-14f1ae888e35@math.wisc.edu> <2395db87-fc75-e6d4-1dff-9a0bff5f1462@linux-a11y.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <2395db87-fc75-e6d4-1dff-9a0bff5f1462@linux-a11y.org> X-Operating-System: Linux opera.rednote.net 4.8.15-300.fc25.x86_64 User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) Subject: Re: [orca-list] ALSA Card Ordering [Was: I hate pulse] X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 15:04:28 -0000 Chrys: I've kept your message from August around because I've found it useful. Thank you. Quick question: Do you know of a cli way of telling pulse to ignore certain cards and use certain others instead? For instance, how can I tell pulse to limit itself to cards 2 and 3, and leave 0, 1 and 4 alone? Thanks, Janina chrys writes: > Howdy, > > you can get all your soundcards with > pactl list short sinks > or more detailed with: > pacmd list-sinks > > to set a new default device use: > pacmd set-default-sink > the index is the number on the beginning of the line of pactl list short > sinks > > if the wrong soundcard is set you can run those commans via SSH. > it remembers the default but if you dont trust and want to be sure that a > special device is set you can place it as start script > > i also wrote a small script and bound it to an bash and gnome shortcut to > cycle between all soundcards (maybe its useful for you or others) > ---- script start ------ > #!/bin/bash > > sinks=(`pacmd list-sinks | sed -n -e > 's/\**[[:space:]]index:[[:space:]]\([[:digit:]]\)/\1/p'`) > sinks_count=${#sinks[@]} > active_sink_index=`pacmd list-sinks | sed -n -e > 's/\*[[:space:]]index:[[:space:]]\([[:digit:]]\)/\1/p'` > newSink=${sinks[0]} > ord=0 > > while [ $ord -lt $sinks_count ]; > do > echo ${sinks[$ord]} > if [ ${sinks[$ord]} -gt $active_sink_index ] ; then > newSink=${sinks[$ord]} > break > fi > let ord++ > done > > # move current running streams to the new device > pactl list short sink-inputs|while read stream; do > streamId=$(echo $stream|cut '-d ' -f1) > echo "moving stream $streamId" > pactl move-sink-input "$streamId" "$newSink" > done > pacmd set-default-sink "$newSink" > --- script end---- > > Am 20.08.2017 um 18:01 schrieb John G. Heim: > > Well, it's kind of hard to reconfigure pulse when you have no sound. > > Again, at least 3 times in the past year or 2, I've lost sound, had to > > use ssh to get into my computer, and remove the ~/.config/pulse/ folder. > > I didn't make up the solution, I found it on this list. So I am not the > > only one. It's a problem. Lets not act like it's not. > > > > > > I don't know, I speculated pulse's problems were due to it not being > > possible to guarantee the order in which hardware devices are > > discovered. Maybe that's wrong but it's not really to the point. > > Somebody says pulse has a prioritizing algorithm which seems reasonable > > to me. But that algorithm probably at least somewhat depends on the > > order in which ards are discovered. I don't know how it could be > > otherwise and there certainly seems to be amount of randomness in it. > > > > > > > > > > On 08/19/2017 01:39 PM, chrys wrote: > > > Howdy, > > > > > > sorry but that is just bullshit lol. Also PA does not choose an > > > random sound card. it uses that one that you defined as default. > > > You also can set output devices and prioritys by scripting or > > > configuration like in alsa... so that argument is just wrong. > > > cheers chrys > > > Am 19.08.2017 um 20:24 schrieb Janina Sajka via orca-list: > > > > Micha: > > > > > > > > For me this is yet another reason to stay away from pulse. The last > > > > thing I need with 5 sound cards is having some bot deciding which ones > > > > should do what, and in what order. I have no use for machines that > > > > ignore my specified configurations to make up their own. > > > > > > > > > > > > In other words, this is just another way for things to break. > > > > > > > > Janina > > > > > > > > Michał Zegan writes: > > > > > actually from what i know, pulseaudio does not go by ordering, but it > > > > > prioritizes cards based on type like internal card vs usb card vs > > > > > whatever... etc > > > > > > > > > > W dniu 19.08.2017 o 19:56, Janina Sajka via orca-list pisze: > > > > > > Hi, John: > > > > > > > > > > > > I noted one comment in your post re pulseaudio that I want to respond > > > > > > to. > > > > > > > > > > > > John G Heim writes: > > > > > > > ... you can never guarantee that hardware > > > > > > > devices are discovered in the same order. ... > > > > > > No, but you can control the card order they're assigned, e.g. via > > > > > > /etc/modprobe.d/alsa.conf using vid= and pid= params for multiple USB > > > > > > sound cards. > > > > > > > > > > > > The best on line summary of available approaches I've > > > > > > found to date is > > > > > > at: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleCards > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm currently working through the above as I have a nagging problem > > > > > > every time I'm forced to reboot, e.g. after installing a new Linux > > > > > > kernel. > > > > > > > > > > > > My problem is that my hda device isn't always > > > > > > discovered. This morning I > > > > > > ran a system update and had to reboot some 30 times > > > > > > before my Intel-810 > > > > > > hda device was discovered. I've looked in the logs. The > > > > > > problem is the > > > > > > system is literally not seeing the device on most boots, yet once > > > > > > loaded, it runs perfectly for days and weeks. > > > > > > > > > > > > According to the above referenced article, there are > > > > > > approaches I might > > > > > > try to resolve my problem without rebooting. And, it seems my current > > > > > > ordering config code could be updated, too. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nevertheless, I offer my current code because it does > > > > > > work to reliably > > > > > > order my 5 sound devices. The always come up in the > > > > > > order defined below. > > > > > > My only issue is whether, or not card 0 has been found, else the > > > > > > remaining devices are shifted by 1--which doesn't help > > > > > > my situation as I > > > > > > need the headset to match my configured FreeSwitch > > > > > > config, just as one > > > > > > example. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alias snd-card-0 snd-hd-intel > > > > > > options snd-card-0 index=0 > > > > > > options snd-hda-intel id=PCH index=0 > > > > > > alias snd-card-1 headset > > > > > > options snd-card-1 index=1 > > > > > > options snd-usb-audio index=1 vid=0x1395 pid=0x3556 > > > > > > alias snd-card-2 cmedia > > > > > > options snd-card-2 index=2 > > > > > > options snd-usb-audio index=2 vid=0x0d8c pid=0x000c > > > > > > alias snd-card-3 ice > > > > > > options snd-card-3 index=3 > > > > > > options snd-ice1724 index=3 > > > > > > alias snd-card-4 hdsp > > > > > > options snd-card-4 index=4 > > > > > > options snd-hdsp index=4 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > orca-list mailing list > > > > > > orca-list@gnome.org > > > > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > > > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > > > > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > > > > > GNOME Universal Access guide: > > > > > > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > > > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > orca-list mailing list > > > orca-list@gnome.org > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > > GNOME Universal Access guide: > > > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net Email: janina@rednote.net Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa From nick@microlitesoftware.co.uk Thu Nov 16 11:37:41 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E1DC76261 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 11:37:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NbI5ZknuEU21 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 11:37:11 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 351 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at restaurant.gnome.org; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 11:37:10 UTC Received: from mx1.microlitesoftware.co.uk (mx1.microlitesoftware.co.uk [185.10.201.220]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E33C37634C for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 11:37:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.27.6] (unknown [2.222.25.255]) by mx1.microlitesoftware.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6D9E8F809D for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 11:31:12 +0000 (GMT) To: orca-list@gnome.org From: Nick Wood Message-ID: <07404450-dad3-7a99-b8f7-5de5856f7f62@microlitesoftware.co.uk> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2017 11:31:08 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Gnome 3.26 Settings App X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2017 11:37:41 -0000 Hi all, I'm just trying out the live Fedora 27 workstation, which includes Gnome 3.26. In this version of Gnome they have redesigned the Settings app. It seems quite hard to navigate around with Orca, and a lot of panels aren't announced at all, e.g. the first item you land on is for WiFi, and while flat review can read bits of it, tabbing around yields nothing. Has anyone else experienced problems with this new and improved settings app, and if so, should we be logging bugs somewhere so things can get fixed? Thanks, Nick From jdiggs@igalia.com Thu Nov 16 15:40:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88D5F764AD for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 15:40:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.791 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.791 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NX3xa4fmuC2M for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 15:39:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [91.117.99.155]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D1A6A763D9 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 15:39:52 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:Cc:References:To:Subject; bh=Td/L2V4qYujsGUKt4MAHSQZUOQrE0OkbRProjuYIJq8=; b=HBmU9BNvIWDcosTezZ+kB+vhGG8mjp/CjO5i1bId+hmXkO+xFEJby3/crz6IRapqAvMA3nJTKZrZE9OLEkvrb3ALjKdNW4gWztT+AkTAJmi07ebjurllt2WIQr+JxMEsZT6n8DM7FFxNrefA8H9mM6ikKxKftP1dOAvT7o8uQ8tClqVXGjVAE4gFSs3Hm8DK0eQ/eNqWGF5rLLGV+ktxqa1Bn9wtaGTlqsqRUYUGmEo6VKLra+ubvMKcUMSdX7tMe6gQNjrc+UXlhmlEspB/tOLdwsecOOmnGXsG/TiWj9CweQWM7dWQ5aCbutanrOc4fDAl3pI8C+H82UVNvF620Q==; Received: from c-24-91-94-186.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([24.91.94.186] helo=[192.168.35.111]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1eFMGa-0007RS-7y; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 16:39:48 +0100 To: Nick Wood References: <07404450-dad3-7a99-b8f7-5de5856f7f62@microlitesoftware.co.uk> Cc: orca-list@gnome.org From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <8d5f6ad5-e414-fc3f-cb58-e3709a7766e4@igalia.com> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2017 10:39:36 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <07404450-dad3-7a99-b8f7-5de5856f7f62@microlitesoftware.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Gnome 3.26 Settings App X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2017 15:40:33 -0000 Hi Nick. I'll take a look to see where the problem is. Thanks! --joanie On 11/16/2017 06:31 AM, Nick Wood wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm just trying out the live Fedora 27 workstation, which includes Gnome > 3.26. > > In this version of Gnome they have redesigned the Settings app. > > It seems quite hard to navigate around with Orca, and a lot of panels > aren't announced at all, e.g. the first item you land on is for WiFi, > and while flat review can read bits of it, tabbing around yields nothing. > > Has anyone else experienced problems with this new and improved settings > app, and if so, should we be logging bugs somewhere so things can get > fixed? > > Thanks, > > Nick > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > From vlcekpavel93@gmail.com Thu Nov 16 22:15:57 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2328764BF for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 22:15:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.638 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.638 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pGog-N5RPUCp for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 22:15:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wr0-f171.google.com (mail-wr0-f171.google.com [209.85.128.171]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6CD47764E2 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 22:15:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wr0-f171.google.com with SMTP id o14so467492wrf.9 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 14:15:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=to:from:subject:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=c75m9av6NsKoDZ8iwUc6PApDJJIkWQgke4rOZODiWyY=; b=ponFCfOkPkpAfW8qLwNT9VbgTNPYDb6vRbKL2/QHPb6dFWK1yan+vd5EuokSkUfa7C 3Gh9iDi2uL45+a1rfWXlafbTTTebH7oCVCEXgTXPqSCduMORfZIT4uzhTAXd6yljaJ6j qxAqzP9+wLn5gLHIygOaD0p3MiU+Y8lVsTDQQRJGRgzBBm3RNuYUMQCMJXZpXclML9XN Xu6AwdV4YQOFpaY4nVzpugWbmodWg3u2fOfsy+yFUF2up30hP0W+VZni+Lf9q9AV8dUd aW60Iv1AWKDTRrtbV26xX0X6QyrPxyuLqKyVcX23jCSiTW7Iq1tEf9MDDE+KJppZofs+ m+hQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:to:from:subject:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=c75m9av6NsKoDZ8iwUc6PApDJJIkWQgke4rOZODiWyY=; b=HTkxHklVapIWmVaAmFEdRp+FSWaTjz+S9+m17OVZUgbsnB+1eKJM7RR83zGgH+cTX4 UUJl74G131f+Ar3zBC/3OE0Et4DNBtatINjN3ygrgqsJjQWjBJoawS+BEY/Glgjp6jeM 0KsVKT77xWDW3SyU8tCyfPBsE5wZNVexDL6q/MxWTU8yatecJ5ZmeXtrLs9Syk/5Pivb LLRqK6fiayNg/1S7CckpCa/1Um1GjbCiO5XLUpSauCPkw8nVRb7A4sOHveS7fdzV9Imm QhTTFluwp9+Y03za1fke8+fEKpE+MBw4TZEzVaQ6131F9/MJBvhPomzE2/rWVyq6z8Rs cd/w== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX6KlH7KxE5SftkmH+kq69CI53nxSeosVjZBqAbCBx8xteEnG9UO nue+0+whongCX9UZwxAqJrZOzpAl X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMbDVYKWo3kiFmZUhcJriTKf+zZP/DUUlC/DpIA8xLraazCQAdA2/CxmUNaKq/wlXJ/0dBfrbw== X-Received: by 10.223.174.147 with SMTP id y19mr2866072wrc.97.1510870533149; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 14:15:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (78-157-160-1.silesnet.net. [78.157.160.1]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id d18sm1838179wrc.14.2017.11.16.14.15.31 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 16 Nov 2017 14:15:31 -0800 (PST) To: orca-list@gnome.org From: =?UTF-8?Q?Pavel_Vl=c4=8dek?= Message-ID: <27ee83f9-5e8a-9401-625d-90d20352a772@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2017 23:15:31 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-MW Subject: [orca-list] Where is tray Gnome 3.26? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2017 22:15:57 -0000 Hi, I installed Fedora 27 on my desktop computer and I can say, tray is gone? Or can be somewhere activated? If not, how can I hide the pidgin, vlc, etc to the background, if is it possible? Thanks, Pavel From nick@microlitesoftware.co.uk Fri Nov 17 07:46:48 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C445768BB for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2017 07:46:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2BVpEOuiwtRW for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2017 07:46:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.microlitesoftware.co.uk (mx1.microlitesoftware.co.uk [185.10.201.220]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD90D763D9 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2017 07:46:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.27.6] (unknown [2.222.25.255]) by mx1.microlitesoftware.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 79621F8095 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2017 07:45:49 +0000 (GMT) To: orca-list@gnome.org From: Nick Wood Message-ID: <7485234d-4965-2843-faa9-e17af6785f5e@microlitesoftware.co.uk> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 07:45:46 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Virtualisation software that works well with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 07:46:48 -0000 Hi all, I use Linux and Orca as my main OS, however I need to run Windows virtual machines as part of my work. For years I've been using VMWare Player, however every time I get a kernel upgrade or upgrade my OS, something goes wrong, and VMWare aren't the quickest at releasing updated versions, with numerous incompatibilities with system libraries. So, I'd like to know, what other virtualisation software are people using that works well with Orca? By that, I mean that the user interface itself works with Orca so I can set up and launch new virtual machines. I did try Virtual Box a long time ago but I'm sure its UI didn't work with Orca. 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Pavel Dne 17.11.2017 v 08:45 Nick Wood napsal(a): > Hi all, > > I use Linux and Orca as my main OS, however I need to run Windows > virtual machines as part of my work. > > For years I've been using VMWare Player, however every time I get a > kernel upgrade or upgrade my OS, something goes wrong, and VMWare > aren't the quickest at releasing updated versions, with numerous > incompatibilities with system libraries. > > So, I'd like to know, what other virtualisation software are people > using that works well with Orca? > > By that, I mean that the user interface itself works with Orca so I > can set up and launch new virtual machines. > > I did try Virtual Box a long time ago but I'm sure its UI didn't work > with Orca. > > Thanks in advance, > > Nick > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From craybay3198@gmail.com Fri Nov 17 08:58:24 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 664097620D for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2017 08:58:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.638 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.638 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XrEA0Dvd5Np8 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2017 08:58:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-it0-f42.google.com (mail-it0-f42.google.com [209.85.214.42]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EDE77763D9 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2017 08:58:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-it0-f42.google.com with SMTP id l196so3219173itl.4 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2017 00:58:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=Tf9OITMNQ1DKIvi+mtpTDciKge+EZOIMC3hrqc8vhuA=; b=lN5DEnJeruH/TYE/UyZEazE56I17sAmUWeZJKypwj+MOvptNpu8b+faLwwNWJalugm +OS5a6GkzlWSOAM4R/3dQBIQK1hV0KhZqYQQ0Gm2UawHBzDdkvuaG6OF5u62LtGwPe5G BaIip2xvhqcE/8Z7jPvqOqjGsykMmnTV4GNDKLSg9vN22sPiBNtRkfZLMl5gLtOy6lhA hjhShP5T/gDhmMQR77WgECGVdoiUizNAThkuBq38ZOl/mKUbdvchFsUceU+aJfABgQVH Fqtt1zz9X5yhdo4qsnKDMgoOMCzKzvY/t37Izppl5FnNMWST/x2EbXTVLRXNw1/cF73/ ukxA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=Tf9OITMNQ1DKIvi+mtpTDciKge+EZOIMC3hrqc8vhuA=; b=DDQpTIE9Q8+a241IOBqZqgNOFWhYtMDJmGyBa6XdQLpBkbQHkG9unYdFuspLB4birh AdzmObRC4wpGTDs7hbblLgktsJu8q1/plrumhC7yBA9qjNOnYW4BBoHa2HFzapde+vM/ Y+Vpc0rA/p3rr5LxSrPH/8KfuK/vpSkXUgqGKTudmXrEKKqMh48CjnOludi1zPTVs1MW Q5wirWXJE01JDB7uvyPZEtFGiub8RdMgsvygQai36/m6ZdBbmoItPhrHxt3MBc2cs1pk sDy8SkAQngJdN+z0LmCpltuqvJ+8EGak338NLFeXz9RvVOitXVKBX8HoH6m3ngKXqaI6 RylA== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX4+0VlMdi8SoFu26iaAJwY9pc51OA+0lCtFI2CePeOd/MBHXw53 Tm5SFoOueNHqtKrvYhNrpB0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMZNOP4WI9/CvA2zwMcdwaaKiGr4Ow7R1WO7MPsu70D2gM1djGMYh/AzU2aT+GmxSH024pTLBw== X-Received: by 10.36.65.140 with SMTP id b12mr5529798itd.11.1510909081650; Fri, 17 Nov 2017 00:58:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.100.30] ([199.38.77.68]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k83sm1460897iod.35.2017.11.17.00.58.01 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 17 Nov 2017 00:58:01 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.1 \(3445.4.7\)) From: crayton Benner In-Reply-To: <54792b01-ca54-f7f0-22cc-657f9237ff93@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 03:58:00 -0500 Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3A15E1CD-C634-457F-8E80-138BC4918CF6@gmail.com> References: <7485234d-4965-2843-faa9-e17af6785f5e@microlitesoftware.co.uk> <54792b01-ca54-f7f0-22cc-657f9237ff93@gmail.com> To: =?utf-8?Q?Pavel_Vl=C4=8Dek?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.4.7) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Virtualisation software that works well with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 08:58:24 -0000 Have you tried virtual box? > On Nov 17, 2017, at 3:52 AM, Pavel Vl=C4=8Dek = wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > today, I will play with virtmanager, it is accessible, but I don't = know, which distros have the virtmanager package, I am using Fedora 27. >=20 > Pavel >=20 >=20 >=20 > Dne 17.11.2017 v 08:45 Nick Wood napsal(a): >> Hi all, >>=20 >> I use Linux and Orca as my main OS, however I need to run Windows = virtual machines as part of my work. >>=20 >> For years I've been using VMWare Player, however every time I get a = kernel upgrade or upgrade my OS, something goes wrong, and VMWare aren't = the quickest at releasing updated versions, with numerous = incompatibilities with system libraries. >>=20 >> So, I'd like to know, what other virtualisation software are people = using that works well with Orca? >>=20 >> By that, I mean that the user interface itself works with Orca so I = can set up and launch new virtual machines. >>=20 >> I did try Virtual Box a long time ago but I'm sure its UI didn't work = with Orca. >>=20 >> Thanks in advance, >>=20 >> Nick >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: = https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >=20 > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: = https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From nick@microlitesoftware.co.uk Fri Nov 17 10:41:56 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6688176202 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2017 10:41:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LAM0HqozL9YW for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2017 10:41:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.microlitesoftware.co.uk (mx1.microlitesoftware.co.uk [185.10.201.220]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC96C76D74 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2017 10:41:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.27.6] (unknown [2.222.25.255]) by mx1.microlitesoftware.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2D884F8095 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2017 10:41:21 +0000 (GMT) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <7485234d-4965-2843-faa9-e17af6785f5e@microlitesoftware.co.uk> <54792b01-ca54-f7f0-22cc-657f9237ff93@gmail.com> <3A15E1CD-C634-457F-8E80-138BC4918CF6@gmail.com> From: Nick Wood Message-ID: <7b106773-793d-0cdf-146a-dd018d49e82d@microlitesoftware.co.uk> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 10:41:17 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3A15E1CD-C634-457F-8E80-138BC4918CF6@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Virtualisation software that works well with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 10:41:56 -0000 Thanks both - I'll try Virt-Manager and VirtualBox - it's been a long time since I've tried VirtualBox so maybe it works better these days with Orca. Thanks, Nick From vilmar@informal.com.br Fri Nov 17 11:12:23 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F46E764E7 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2017 11:12:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.788 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.788 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YPyyyNcQvBTi for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2017 11:11:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qt0-f177.google.com (mail-qt0-f177.google.com [209.85.216.177]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F38107631D for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2017 11:11:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qt0-f177.google.com with SMTP id a19so5050736qtb.3 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2017 03:11:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=informal-com-br.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=reply-to:subject:to:references:from:organization:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language; bh=Vgokw4ZLoofTUxgU5V6aJFw1SQolNFS8+GdLgUFvBGg=; b=LyJf/UDPubnsy+LZLJ4vzTCE8jbs/yltGi2duzr/xo+DuS2z7P3YZAsLIxUuqXeuX7 04nD4wYrTovMTfWgz4f5pn11qzS7YUjHtxB6Ot0tlFNgTXo4qHLMw/SKOHDkcI9sxe30 2SpiWRZIiWuDeIYgcCJpi07k103d7jVYGYll4qwSv33SCrSbbt4gdekcRbtR8jSwttuI 2Dufv2kPXl20dQwgi4hcLqpaubM8imK/TE8IMRCBjR6AiV/GRGET00imiAeEchtlbCZW hbqP0EaUqXlJ3TNlzq8OPohEwAYMthmftZVXhDwuzAWTm+aXY6Et8rMJKcoQ8Um3osZH My8Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:reply-to:subject:to:references:from:organization :message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-language; bh=Vgokw4ZLoofTUxgU5V6aJFw1SQolNFS8+GdLgUFvBGg=; b=DaRrq+k2GzkTbuoVupFnhMXKyNj5kUKi06jbaDHSLDF+M1PgS6ky26G5VYaZae27qH xhQI/G4BIDjqVVtYer+xKRaPezRGSoUvaFF74QGEKTvYlM9TC06gg7GZvdHh5MwjPwmH uPUJqDS4t8h9paoNdsusiPiFvDBLKfJZ5DImlqFodzZs1MOHxVowKxzXMq2Ux8/ETLhm 9eMqgdUT3XnrHmBTgQCiR13Tr7QSiO7zo+oGunNh0wG8pVJTEqcQ9tP1OR6VMWLM0CIc 8HABjBz9AwF/qg2Jm/Dh2YM6rQh+fVgTFjvzDIY/GKlEFCcgwgN4uyv+vDVC+oEt+OEJ 7YVg== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX54VqLsMgbuSXoSkiY0ftax5rqEhcqD1gXh1QuGxuMQMimFPqf5 nuN12axRPja0E+xXjstBI4n+6TlQ X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMZSMyrxrqVQsJpALJEUR7iQqcUujU9MqRsvRw7z+2SRVQrJmUz5Q84H/NiJWhxcLolAwom4sw== X-Received: by 10.233.216.70 with SMTP id u67mr7997946qkf.133.1510917100352; Fri, 17 Nov 2017 03:11:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.182] ([189.60.17.53]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z22sm2437940qta.81.2017.11.17.03.11.37 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 17 Nov 2017 03:11:39 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: vilmar@informal.com.br To: Nick Wood , orca-list@gnome.org References: <7485234d-4965-2843-faa9-e17af6785f5e@microlitesoftware.co.uk> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jos=c3=a9_Vilmar_Est=c3=a1cio_de_Souza?= Organization: Informal Informatica LTDA Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 09:11:33 -0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7485234d-4965-2843-faa9-e17af6785f5e@microlitesoftware.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------C839B37CA1EC672D365BA0C1" Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] Virtualisation software that works well with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 11:12:23 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C839B37CA1EC672D365BA0C1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Nick. The gui interface of virtual box is not very accessible but virtualbox can be totally managed from the command line. Take a look in the documentation of vboxmanage. On 11/17/2017 05:45 AM, Nick Wood wrote: > Hi all, > > I use Linux and Orca as my main OS, however I need to run Windows > virtual machines as part of my work. > > For years I've been using VMWare Player, however every time I get a > kernel upgrade or upgrade my OS, something goes wrong, and VMWare > aren't the quickest at releasing updated versions, with numerous > incompatibilities with system libraries. > > So, I'd like to know, what other virtualisation software are people > using that works well with Orca? > > By that, I mean that the user interface itself works with Orca so I > can set up and launch new virtual machines. > > I did try Virtual Box a long time ago but I'm sure its UI didn't work > with Orca. > > Thanks in advance, > > Nick > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org -- Assinatura Informal José Vilmar, Telefones: 21 2555-2650 e 21 98868-0859, Skype: jvilmar --------------C839B37CA1EC672D365BA0C1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi Nick.


The gui interface of virtual box is not very accessible but virtualbox can be totally managed from the command line.

Take a look in the documentation of vboxmanage.



On 11/17/2017 05:45 AM, Nick Wood wrote:
Hi all,

I use Linux and Orca as my main OS, however I need to run Windows virtual machines as part of my work.

For years I've been using VMWare Player, however every time I get a kernel upgrade or upgrade my OS, something goes wrong, and VMWare aren't the quickest at releasing updated versions, with numerous incompatibilities with system libraries.

So, I'd like to know, what other virtualisation software are people using that works well with Orca?

By that, I mean that the user interface itself works with Orca so I can set up and launch new virtual machines.

I did try Virtual Box a long time ago but I'm sure its UI didn't work with Orca.

Thanks in advance,

Nick

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https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org

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[78.157.160.1]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id u12sm2550491edk.45.2017.11.17.03.28.21 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 17 Nov 2017 03:28:21 -0800 (PST) References: <27ee83f9-5e8a-9401-625d-90d20352a772@gmail.com> To: orca-list@gnome.org From: =?UTF-8?Q?Pavel_Vl=c4=8dek?= Message-ID: <5777867a-8bf7-ca86-5a72-58c694b300ac@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 12:28:20 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <27ee83f9-5e8a-9401-625d-90d20352a772@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: cs-CZ Subject: Re: [orca-list] Where is tray Gnome 3.26? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 11:28:46 -0000 Okay, so here is my answer. https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/495/topicons/ Dne 16.11.2017 v 23:15 Pavel Vlek napsal(a): > Hi, > > I installed Fedora 27 on my desktop computer and I can say, tray is > gone? Or can be somewhere activated? If not, how can I hide the > pidgin, vlc, etc to the background, if is it possible? > > Thanks, > > Pavel > > From nuno69a@poczta.fm Sat Nov 18 08:46:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BDC5761FD for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2017 08:46:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.79 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.79 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dKLKY35RhxYe for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2017 08:45:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpo.poczta.interia.pl (smtpo.poczta.interia.pl [217.74.65.208]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4715D7625D for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2017 08:45:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Interia-R: Interia X-Interia-R-IP: 46.149.218.141 X-Interia-R-Helo: <[192.168.1.103]> Received: from [192.168.1.103] (nat141.gorlice.ap-media.pl [46.149.218.141]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by www.poczta.fm (INTERIA.PL) with ESMTPSA for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2017 09:45:55 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <27ee83f9-5e8a-9401-625d-90d20352a772@gmail.com> <5777867a-8bf7-ca86-5a72-58c694b300ac@gmail.com> From: ArkadiusZ Message-ID: <5759957c-903e-239c-739e-561c1c48b324@poczta.fm> Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 09:45:54 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5777867a-8bf7-ca86-5a72-58c694b300ac@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: pl-PL X-Interia-Antivirus: OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=interia.pl; s=biztos; t=1510994755; bh=inLaxVLpALwGtlNYYVGanmuqsGzy/zoTmGjZqbgBVuo=; h=X-Interia-R:X-Interia-R-IP:X-Interia-R-Helo:Subject:To:References: From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Language: X-Interia-Antivirus; b=vtIsgVehxQ6tYCfcpKeVLDoQp7fW8KXNvNtD1F7X9Yy4m2D2589tzSWAvU14GOuxz 2B+FcfqqXth3ptINwwknE09uST7VHla9xdaVVZAtKOZ6Amd7LUv86jXA0NiI46uMhi HnREuLYnN4Sd9+0JCthqtj9+8NvSxOxkb8nHEmf0= Subject: Re: [orca-list] Where is tray Gnome 3.26? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 08:46:40 -0000 I don't want to start any Linux drama, but this is ridiculous. Why they removed such a feature? I will love Linux, anyway :) On 17.11.2017 12:28, Pavel Vlek wrote: > Okay, so here is my answer. > > https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/495/topicons/ > > > Dne 16.11.2017 v 23:15 Pavel Vlek napsal(a): >> Hi, >> >> I installed Fedora 27 on my desktop computer and I can say, tray is >> gone? Or can be somewhere activated? If not, how can I hide the >> pidgin, vlc, etc to the background, if is it possible? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Pavel >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From alexarnaud@hypra.fr Sat Nov 18 19:35:06 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA1B0761E3 for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2017 19:35:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.791 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.791 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bpU0vRDd9pyX for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2017 19:34:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra.fr (hypra.fr [62.210.38.35]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4AD9B760A8 for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2017 19:34:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.12] (75.145.21.93.rev.sfr.net [93.21.145.75]) by hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 923CC580F5E; Sat, 18 Nov 2017 20:34:22 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hypra.fr; s=mail; t=1511033662; bh=BcawwFkcBmfIO3FG8GU25My8DT/oKANMMSaiOSRd/lw=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=o6Yl5DjsHTwPj0rwJ7mvzx9gdhqQbvXtJciLifjJ3seuZS4xbKwYIEHeJU7sCLT9b ybq9WP/Wb9zeH0ryQQhaT7/meHQ2VngbvZNm+a0CMxba3Z0GNgPGfeocGI6pLgVlXR wORHE2Rp0gkVleh53l1lzI6TJ2e1ZsIUilCShbU8= To: ArkadiusZ , orca-list@gnome.org References: <27ee83f9-5e8a-9401-625d-90d20352a772@gmail.com> <5777867a-8bf7-ca86-5a72-58c694b300ac@gmail.com> <5759957c-903e-239c-739e-561c1c48b324@poczta.fm> From: Alex ARNAUD Organization: Hypra Message-ID: <5689ab18-8599-a0cd-db4c-b3929f6be76e@hypra.fr> Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 20:34:19 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5759957c-903e-239c-739e-561c1c48b324@poczta.fm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Where is tray Gnome 3.26? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 19:35:07 -0000 Le 18/11/2017 à 09:45, ArkadiusZ a écrit : > I don't want to start any Linux drama, but this is ridiculous. Why they > removed such a feature? I will love Linux, anyway It's the GNOME Vision of what a desktop should be. I don't agree with this so it's why I prefer to use Mate desktop. Best regards. -- Alex ARNAUD Visual-Impairment Project Manager Hypra - "Humanizing technology" From bmiv@ukr.net Sat Nov 18 20:16:58 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 184BC7630B for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2017 20:16:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.789 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.789 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SBJ5diTuQxbX for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2017 20:16:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from frv157.fwdcdn.com (frv157.fwdcdn.com [212.42.77.157]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7EEFD760A8 for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2017 20:16:16 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ukr.net; s=fsm; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date :Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=Fr0cCmQf/mqDcgaE3ogZScZGs0TyIa8f8sZiYMG5u7k=; b=XWxrAwf70CAGigLTk+1HCS9G3S x2Hc9GoZYBZi10EN49jet7ECJyft6CvfUXJ5TzQ3F98Q/1ifM6V6Xci0+QZzAryBbLBIr87o+qfPC Z6CYatJUKMXqRsFXXs0XInrUxeLlkJGObnrtjYSEAMuBYpkFpJZSe8JWx95q4dmA9Ycc=; Received: from 46-133-213-96.dialup.umc.net.ua ([46.133.213.96] helo=hcm.localdomain) by frv157.fwdcdn.com with esmtpsa ID 1eG9XB-000JJQ-0P ; Sat, 18 Nov 2017 22:16:13 +0200 To: Alex ARNAUD , ArkadiusZ , orca-list@gnome.org References: <27ee83f9-5e8a-9401-625d-90d20352a772@gmail.com> <5777867a-8bf7-ca86-5a72-58c694b300ac@gmail.com> <5759957c-903e-239c-739e-561c1c48b324@poczta.fm> <5689ab18-8599-a0cd-db4c-b3929f6be76e@hypra.fr> From: Maksym Bilak Message-ID: Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 22:16:10 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5689ab18-8599-a0cd-db4c-b3929f6be76e@hypra.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Authentication-Result: IP=46.133.213.96; mail.from=bmiv@ukr.net; dkim=pass; header.d=ukr.net Subject: Re: [orca-list] Where is tray Gnome 3.26? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 20:16:58 -0000 Hi All! I just wanted to remind you that there are so-called working spaces that can compensate for the lack of a system tray. With working spaces, in my opinion, even work more comfortable ... Alex ARNAUD wrote: > Le 18/11/2017 à 09:45, ArkadiusZ a écrit : >> I don't want to start any Linux drama, but this is ridiculous. Why >> they removed such a feature? I will love Linux, anyway > > It's the GNOME Vision of what a desktop should be. I don't agree with > this so it's why I prefer to use Mate desktop. > > Best regards. From albert.e.sten_clanton@verizon.net Sat Nov 18 20:47:41 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BB03761E3 for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2017 20:47:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KcsbQRH8sjYq for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2017 20:47:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omr-a007e.mx.aol.com (omr-a007e.mx.aol.com [204.29.186.58]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D2D4C760A8 for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2017 20:47:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mtaout-laa01.mx.aol.com (mtaout-laa01.mx.aol.com [172.27.2.97]) by omr-a007e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 502A2380008E for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2017 15:47:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (0x5b3139322e3136382e312e355d [71.174.175.3]) by mtaout-laa01.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPA id 017BF3800008D for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2017 15:47:06 -0500 (EST) To: orca-list@gnome.org From: Al Sten-Clanton Message-ID: Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 15:47:01 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1b02615a109c4a6c35 X-AOL-IP: 71.174.175.3 Subject: [orca-list] drag and drop using Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 20:47:41 -0000 Greetings! There's a survey I may try to fill out. It requires you to prioritize in importance a list of reasons you like to attend an annual convention by dragging them to a point in the survey. Is there a way to do that using Orca? I didn't see a keystroke for it in Orca's key bindings, and I'm pretty sure I went through the whole list up to the Braille-related keys. (I did this while in Firefox.) I have never dragged and dropped anything before. I saw that JAWS lists a keystroke for it in its keystroke list, and I may see how that works. If possible, though, I'd like to do this using Orca and Linux. Thanks! 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X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 23:01:37 -0000 I am curious about this: Can you point to a working space on Mate and tell us how to get there? Thanks, Fernando On 11/18/2017 06:16 PM, Maksym Bilak wrote: > Hi All! > > I just wanted to remind you that there are so-called working spaces > that can compensate for the lack of a system tray. > With working spaces, in my opinion, even work more comfortable ... > > Alex ARNAUD wrote: >> Le 18/11/2017 à 09:45, ArkadiusZ a écrit : >>> I don't want to start any Linux drama, but this is ridiculous. Why >>> they removed such a feature? I will love Linux, anyway >> >> It's the GNOME Vision of what a desktop should be. I don't agree with >> this so it's why I prefer to use Mate desktop. >> >> Best regards. > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From alexarnaud@hypra.fr Sat Nov 18 23:25:21 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3732276222 for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2017 23:25:21 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.791 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.791 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AsYrkwRMAj8a for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2017 23:24:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra.fr (hypra.fr [62.210.38.35]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CE163760A8 for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2017 23:24:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.12] (75.145.21.93.rev.sfr.net [93.21.145.75]) by hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7A149580F5E; Sun, 19 Nov 2017 00:24:37 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hypra.fr; s=mail; t=1511047477; bh=pMdE1KuS5GlligqkrBAo30a9M6r+3aW7GAQ+xZzko3M=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=sKfF2sRmFXcnZtnsmLyqlpjbVno4hbgwb10CsLb66WTuq+c6+Vxh5HD4cEyTCRxLq OGtbQIGYpkjNjFZnvLtlZID0diHOlFpNxLX653Clds3iIOQBtWDGqTh2VWPjLWGqMJ GakqnV75S7oxkqFnj/jZCwjfVgmDQoqYxctzjdKU= To: Fernando.Botelho@F123.org, Maksym Bilak , Alex ARNAUD , ArkadiusZ , orca-list@gnome.org References: <27ee83f9-5e8a-9401-625d-90d20352a772@gmail.com> <5777867a-8bf7-ca86-5a72-58c694b300ac@gmail.com> <5759957c-903e-239c-739e-561c1c48b324@poczta.fm> <5689ab18-8599-a0cd-db4c-b3929f6be76e@hypra.fr> <32417687-695a-4d5a-8edb-3790ce079cc3@F123.org> From: Alex ARNAUD Organization: Hypra Message-ID: <35292a96-fe76-21ab-ab2b-e8dcebfd11fb@hypra.fr> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2017 00:24:34 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <32417687-695a-4d5a-8edb-3790ce079cc3@F123.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Where is tray Gnome 3.26? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 23:25:21 -0000 Le 19/11/2017 à 00:00, Fernando Botelho a écrit : > I am curious about this: Can you point to a working space on Mate and > tell us how to get there? By default there are four working spaces available. You can use ctrl+alt+arrow keys to switch between workspace. See http://securitronlinux.com/bejiitaswrath/some-useful-tips-for-the-linux-mate-desktop/#toc-useful-keyboard-shortcuts-for-the-linux-mate-desktop Best regards. -- Alex ARNAUD Visual-Impairment Project Manager Hypra - "Humanizing technology" From bmiv@ukr.net Sun Nov 19 10:11:48 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62CB77653E for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2017 10:11:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bMADK0O14RQM for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2017 10:11:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from frv159.fwdcdn.com (frv159.fwdcdn.com [212.42.77.159]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7A5067631D for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2017 10:11:45 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ukr.net; s=fsm; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date :Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=sl097izvV6H5eE0K4BUDJ1qyUReM5GxnrOaAiKy+ppo=; b=WgofbemtQWQeKIV2MeWh+25gww bjItKuG4WsfspfgczCipwobuBoR7EpUUBkV1RdvEd7ujTlfpL75aDa3+mjYg2QgxaLimeSpYhYuSG L4xprEcU8QpUZKtL4Ya2QFDHMXg5/OvZfnG7iakfPFTo8eykxARSI4PVWK+d9s0WqmUc=; Received: from 46-133-4-103.dialup.umc.net.ua ([46.133.4.103] helo=hcm.localdomain) by frv159.fwdcdn.com with esmtpsa ID 1eGMZh-000IrB-52 ; Sun, 19 Nov 2017 12:11:41 +0200 To: Fernando.Botelho@F123.org, Alex ARNAUD , ArkadiusZ , orca-list@gnome.org References: <27ee83f9-5e8a-9401-625d-90d20352a772@gmail.com> <5777867a-8bf7-ca86-5a72-58c694b300ac@gmail.com> <5759957c-903e-239c-739e-561c1c48b324@poczta.fm> <5689ab18-8599-a0cd-db4c-b3929f6be76e@hypra.fr> <32417687-695a-4d5a-8edb-3790ce079cc3@F123.org> From: Maksym Bilak Message-ID: <640d0321-2cf2-7bee-230f-56f8df5f2f2c@ukr.net> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2017 12:11:38 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <32417687-695a-4d5a-8edb-3790ce079cc3@F123.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Authentication-Result: IP=46.133.4.103; mail.from=bmiv@ukr.net; dkim=pass; header.d=ukr.net Subject: Re: [orca-list] Where is tray Gnome 3.26? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2017 10:11:48 -0000 Hello. Unfortunately - I can not say anything about Mate because I use GNOME. Fernando Botelho wrote: > I am curious about this: Can you point to a working space on Mate and > tell us how to get there? > > > Thanks, > > > Fernando > > > > On 11/18/2017 06:16 PM, Maksym Bilak wrote: >> Hi All! >> >> I just wanted to remind you that there are so-called working spaces >> that can compensate for the lack of a system tray. >> With working spaces, in my opinion, even work more comfortable ... >> >> Alex ARNAUD wrote: >>> Le 18/11/2017 à 09:45, ArkadiusZ a écrit : >>>> I don't want to start any Linux drama, but this is ridiculous. Why >>>> they removed such a feature? I will love Linux, anyway >>> >>> It's the GNOME Vision of what a desktop should be. I don't agree with >>> this so it's why I prefer to use Mate desktop. >>> >>> Best regards. >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > From fhfbotelho@gmail.com Sun Nov 19 16:33:31 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 616E476A5D for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2017 16:33:31 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GG2A1wXpyJ-C for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2017 16:33:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qt0-f179.google.com (mail-qt0-f179.google.com [209.85.216.179]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 235B076204 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2017 16:33:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qt0-f179.google.com with SMTP id a19so12242290qtb.3 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2017 08:33:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:reply-to:subject:references:to:from:organization:message-id :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4tIV4kigVxusoNHSU+1Qmda9N3gNAYkkp0pQ4cXE5Tg=; b=bIUAAUJ2uI/vAzvnxDSozaK+le9RlH5MvjUkOnAjNmZULFUaieKvLNoBW31a51dSEl dDUe4UVwCweOHQBFr7DumrqbTqWhGisAWSIkaSyW2zgL4LUPiwW9AW2yviKNLqckaiWg ko4b+SoOPxjYrtonNTr3VsnMO1/ri3uRTZ6ezZnOdextIGE8Wy7WjinykqUX4ekvsrQG jIq7r32XzQDjrC65bd2W6JTj18CJd+cOurwK7yq5C4s49Whd0UZff7kU/fMgKfCIoDKz LK4fAhGnxvmWUCuuczRo6BGeJrUR67JEkvhe7lAY7BoIi7ACvMCnBHcvQyGe817a3NEs Oo8Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:reply-to:subject:references:to:from :organization:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=4tIV4kigVxusoNHSU+1Qmda9N3gNAYkkp0pQ4cXE5Tg=; b=TnNc1t6gGrIiESSjfAXjxw46IQYtGe7eiL2hJuAqEyV/kJEfDcOxl4vavrCzVK9wnI EF7S00Spy7WkHPAaEon5FA/wFp7gLyTrtJcG3vCxpFuUbawbeBiW2XOKR7ADht1fSLhY ZNRK7WAxDqk7/gtIn6/o/PMRFlTtJGZzS37xZdf+lHUkkI4AaUkn58WjuUzokXZy0etj F/2Fr8ywhhe+Eu86+KBBF7xYMe7G8w+aUXZr8Ixqje3ETjUZEofOBCC5Pvo4A+LI+obf sclsOfYb4lMy2POpDc/kTbDGASWGmu833FDSPSzWn5wMT7pe3X4A1yTP5+ZkTKeH0pX1 zJrQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX52LsVW0wNNBFCllTsMt0vmCr35zQjJvA/KL9mtNbZeEMF0vfP9 1HwIbg2YG1/kXLEy+A8JdM/lPA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMbRXZeDLC/1Ht6e1oasOvxOhYwqfq694U4D/1YcX+jjAkmjJAzuxttRrLKETEeXqYm5SXMyWg== X-Received: by 10.200.54.176 with SMTP id a45mr16896167qtc.176.1511109207801; Sun, 19 Nov 2017 08:33:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.100.6] ([177.220.189.58]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id u43sm5747436qtj.54.2017.11.19.08.33.26 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 19 Nov 2017 08:33:27 -0800 (PST) Sender: Fernando Botelho Reply-To: Fernando.Botelho@F123.org References: <27ee83f9-5e8a-9401-625d-90d20352a772@gmail.com> <5777867a-8bf7-ca86-5a72-58c694b300ac@gmail.com> <5759957c-903e-239c-739e-561c1c48b324@poczta.fm> <5689ab18-8599-a0cd-db4c-b3929f6be76e@hypra.fr> <32417687-695a-4d5a-8edb-3790ce079cc3@F123.org> <35292a96-fe76-21ab-ab2b-e8dcebfd11fb@hypra.fr> To: Alex ARNAUD , Maksym Bilak , ArkadiusZ , orca-list@gnome.org From: Fernando Botelho Organization: F123 Message-ID: <32cbea62-0b38-c223-ab9c-02d681c98b50@F123.org> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2017 14:33:25 -0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <35292a96-fe76-21ab-ab2b-e8dcebfd11fb@hypra.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Where is tray Gnome 3.26? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2017 16:33:31 -0000 Thanks. it is nice to have a name for that. Best, Fernando On 11/18/2017 09:24 PM, Alex ARNAUD wrote: > Le 19/11/2017 à 00:00, Fernando Botelho a écrit : >> I am curious about this: Can you point to a working space on Mate and >> tell us how to get there? > > By default there are four working spaces available. You can use > ctrl+alt+arrow keys to switch between workspace. See > http://securitronlinux.com/bejiitaswrath/some-useful-tips-for-the-linux-mate-desktop/#toc-useful-keyboard-shortcuts-for-the-linux-mate-desktop > > Best regards. From mgorse@alum.wpi.edu Sun Nov 19 20:55:54 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 018E076204 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2017 20:55:54 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.212 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.212 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eZBrkSsRgbks for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2017 20:55:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from MAIL1.WPI.EDU (mail1.wpi.edu [130.215.36.91]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16CA5761F6 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2017 20:55:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from MAIL1.WPI.EDU (MAIL1.WPI.EDU [130.215.36.91]) by MAIL1.WPI.EDU (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTP id vAJKtneI008048; Sun, 19 Nov 2017 15:55:49 -0500 DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 MAIL1.WPI.EDU vAJKtneI008048 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=wpi.edu; s=_dkim; t=1511124949; i=@wpi.edu; bh=KPq2u062LdM98aap3yHzSbn1g965hMtVhAzurs9XY50=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=EL0tvHqTrDyHb66wpeJ/rZxYURPYzuxQTiIFvFKKLXxXvXc7YCbpwi4UehLd4wO/M vETwDQXCXGHNTgqwm7cuwfSex6Gqgk6Uauqvx+dhXMsg/8SAqkirNxiARrKuvr3L9D cO0Vj6dToWnLSER+5AnFcVaST8P8IspoX75BfYZQ= Received: from mx3.wpi.edu (mx3.wpi.edu [130.215.36.147]) by MAIL1.WPI.EDU (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTP id vAJKtn2Z008044; Sun, 19 Nov 2017 15:55:49 -0500 Received: from ALUM.WPI.EDU (alum.wpi.edu [130.215.36.126]) by mx3.wpi.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id vAJKtmaI025260; Sun, 19 Nov 2017 15:55:48 -0500 (envelope-from mgorse@alum.wpi.edu) Received: from ALUM.WPI.EDU (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ALUM.WPI.EDU (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPS id vAJKtlsV024236 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 19 Nov 2017 15:55:48 -0500 Received: from localhost (mgorse@localhost) by ALUM.WPI.EDU (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTP id vAJKtlSl024232; Sun, 19 Nov 2017 15:55:47 -0500 Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2017 15:55:47 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Gorse To: Nick Wood cc: orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <7485234d-4965-2843-faa9-e17af6785f5e@microlitesoftware.co.uk> Message-ID: References: <7485234d-4965-2843-faa9-e17af6785f5e@microlitesoftware.co.uk> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (LRH 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIIII, Probability=8%, Report=' HTML_00_01 0.05, HTML_00_10 0.05, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_1400_1499 0, BODY_SIZE_2000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS 0, DATE_TZ_NA 0, FROM_EDU_TLD 0, IN_REP_TO 0, LEGITIMATE_SIGNS 0, MSG_THREAD 0, MULTIPLE_REAL_RCPTS 0, REFERENCES 0, URI_ENDS_IN_HTML 0, __ANY_URI 0, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ 0, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT 0, __CP_URI_IN_BODY 0, __CT 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __FORWARDED_MSG 0, __HAS_CC_HDR 0, __HAS_FROM 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HTTPS_URI 0, __IN_REP_TO 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_TEXT_P 0, __MIME_TEXT_P1 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __MULTIPLE_URI_TEXT 0, __NO_HTML_TAG_RAW 0, __PHISH_SPEAR_STRUCTURE_1 0, __REFERENCES 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __SUBJ_ALPHA_END 0, __SUBJ_ALPHA_NEGATE 0, __TO_MALFORMED_2 0, __TO_NAME 0, __TO_NAME_DIFF_FROM_ACC 0, __TO_REAL_NAMES 0, __URI_IN_BODY 0, __URI_NOT_IMG 0, __URI_NO_WWW 0, __URI_NS , __URI_WITHOUT_PATH 0, __URI_WITH_PATH 0, __USER_AGENT 0' Subject: Re: [orca-list] Virtualisation software that works well with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2017 20:55:55 -0000 I use qemu and just have a shell script to launch it from the command line. I haven't tried virt-manager, but it is gtk-based, so it should be accessible if you want a graphical front end. On Fri, 17 Nov 2017, Nick Wood wrote: > Hi all, > > I use Linux and Orca as my main OS, however I need to run Windows virtual > machines as part of my work. > > For years I've been using VMWare Player, however every time I get a kernel > upgrade or upgrade my OS, something goes wrong, and VMWare aren't the > quickest at releasing updated versions, with numerous incompatibilities with > system libraries. > > So, I'd like to know, what other virtualisation software are people using > that works well with Orca? > > By that, I mean that the user interface itself works with Orca so I can set > up and launch new virtual machines. > > I did try Virtual Box a long time ago but I'm sure its UI didn't work with > Orca. > > Thanks in advance, > > Nick > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > From pvdeejay@gmail.com Mon Nov 20 09:38:07 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 009EE76291 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 09:38:07 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UM8Slyp1aP9f for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 09:38:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f45.google.com (mail-wm0-f45.google.com [74.125.82.45]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D9BF276223 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 09:38:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-f45.google.com with SMTP id x63so17348193wmf.2 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 01:38:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Lq240TesTo+jt6EzagTbYHMKDGZEFIbu6clpBgBAeiE=; b=inVU9ja89nvE/dNOwCVKAIVtTkjcSvz3oSUiBNEtespjYUpNPMz4Dg3uJ4jn5VXEFL mtTMBCdk2MF6DYtwdDWNeGChfQPlNsvs8yTEgSAaOA+qMNm/0ktO1hgKGDMT59FvrbKS 4hqiQms0bkJG4XnLI8C/mHma71L0aQ7ifDJv2v4zgpMzje5hLFBSX2G65A5NXgnt1BX2 driD174+l15iWMUaGN9c9ifGlP3RPBwB0jkvYX8hQyyC45PuHM22sns0pMhqo5dpdWpm 64+lcdXjnEvGaZUqKcsoDzv/dhnDxGTObBC3c3QuNnZih2RTK400wRZV5kHh6Qvr6trT 5H/g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Lq240TesTo+jt6EzagTbYHMKDGZEFIbu6clpBgBAeiE=; b=grSuaFYj5tWeOzWUO9CBw+tt5Fw0TMCBXJWH86yiMATyThOe/zdALqXM3xCLDN954i KfIOeaZecwejllJYcTUzaag8+/LUhsQhTPjlBbx42UsfBmBfmCO5BWEvDVIn4RkGTqbE SyB72FPvrfaAMOebeCb5ugIIKe3fKcOYU11MlQXSfVBcN5Ngq9PKYNuMMDYNJMyHo94z EbPOwv0HMjRgwEN12SpUdcNCZ8qsvJfFza6ZI6MblFtuXpoSN8j0imvK2hHYlm1sSZA5 CjkmPcLlvmux886XjJv91Ei8eHfhsh3EvDYqsQm5RYjVRpxBKtw0CfBQcytrrQDADVK5 iU2Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX7ATYJkgnlucU1WRqQuCX10KMfMGbFok6VarsgvzNiQ76hexHrq bXfc3Xd7PGJXtNw2De2+QQQBi2obgmlwuFO0EKQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMYwt8xYmV0npziPsttY4DUWek9nOiINM5eKHhjEaOXpR1eV4X+Bw0+WGFeSBE1OPsCIjK/urgKlvI+qA/UrZF0= X-Received: by 10.28.167.22 with SMTP id q22mr10469957wme.52.1511170681809; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 01:38:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.184.76 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 01:38:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <8d5f6ad5-e414-fc3f-cb58-e3709a7766e4@igalia.com> References: <07404450-dad3-7a99-b8f7-5de5856f7f62@microlitesoftware.co.uk> <8d5f6ad5-e414-fc3f-cb58-e3709a7766e4@igalia.com> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=C3=A1gner?= Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 10:38:01 +0100 Message-ID: To: Joanmarie Diggs Cc: Nick Wood , orca-list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a114ba784af2fc8055e66d7f1" Subject: Re: [orca-list] Gnome 3.26 Settings App X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 09:38:07 -0000 --001a114ba784af2fc8055e66d7f1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hello, When the Gnome 3.26 settings manager shows up you can use up and down arrow keys to navigate over the icons representing each section. You can activate the icon by pressing the enter key. However that does not automagically change the focus to the corresponding view that has just got expanded so in order to leave the list of icons you can press right arrow key or ctrl+tab keyboard shortcuts. You need to work out which of these two is suitable for which sections. For example activating a wifi icon and pressing ctrl+tab focuses a pannel you seemingly can't navigate over with orca. When pressing ctrl+tab on an activated bluetooth icon, the focus is placed on a label which is only accessible with flat review so I would say in this case it's usefull. In most cases these are only differences that are essential to navigate most of the settings as the expanded views are either very similar to those we do know from earlier gnome versions or these are easy to navigate. Wifi, Network sections are the one which have been redesigned and I am afraid very little accessibility related work has been put into it. Within the wifi settings there is just a single unlabelled focusable toggle button (at least from orca side of things). By using flat review luckily we can identify a list of wifi networks in range along with corresponding options button for each of those network. It is not clear which of those networks is connected. It is not possible to navigate in the list of wifi networks using standard navigation commands. The signal strength for each wifi network in range is not communicated to the accessibility API. The options button is not focusable and can't be activated by using the keyboard. Networks section can be navigated somehow however the experience is not very streamlined and I feel it's unpredictable. When the network icon is selected you can press enter key to activate as always. To understand what this settings section does and how it operates it's very usefull to explore the window by using flat review. It appears there are a few subsections representing individual connectivity features available on your system. e.g. on mine, there are Ethernet, Bluetooth and VPN. Each section has a new button at the top (usually not labelled at all!) and the list listing NetworkManager profiles associated with corresponding network type. In some cases this list can be navigated by using up and down arrow keys (e.g. ethernet) sometimes individual entries seem to act as if each of them would be placed in the seperate list (VPN). I can't reliably navigate between the sections. Sometimes pressing right arrow key when the unlabelled button is focused moves to a different section, however it does not jump from ethernet to Bluetooth but it jumps from ethernet straight to VPN so it's confusing like hell. Presentation of items in these lists is also very confusing. For example when tabbing into a list of wired networks orca presents something like Wired connection 1 options button. Pressing enter or spacebar while this is focused does nothing. Pressing the tab key moves focus to an options button which works like a normal button. To make it a less confusing perhaps these should be repurposed into a single UI control or when reporting the first one the options button should not be reported at all. I can see the same inconsistent UI presentation accross all new lists e.g. in the battery section when you are repeatedly pressing the tab key orca reports the following (items divided by comma): Battery charged 100%, Battery saving list of 8 items Light slider 10, Light slider 10, dim screen when not active toggle button pressed, dim screen when not active toggle button pressed..... I believe you can see. Seemingly each item is duplicated. However upon further testing you realize that the first of those seeming duplicates is not interactive and you have to move to the second in order to act on it. I would say no coordinated efforts, no communication, no postings to the gnome accessibility list for ages, cancelled a11y meetings, broken accessibility team and almost no real accessibility related work except of at-spi, atk and orca development is taking place in the gnome community. I have posted more than once about this in the past so I am not expecting this to ever change, it's that today I do have a good day and am happy to show a bit more patience to this yet one more time. Well I can see accessibility related commits for example in GTK however I am not sure these skilled developers can understand issues like these. We really need better coordination here. Can you guys suggest how to go about improving the situation. I can't just write messages like these, or subscribe to loads of already filed bugs, or report new bugs to be stalled for ages in the bugzilla or to go to the IRC explaining I think I can understand a little of accessibility issues people may have with the platform telling that it's still the most accessible linux desktop environment on the planed but the accessibility is slowly getting ruined. We need this to stop and try to slowly revert this process so more new stuff will become more accessible again. What can we do? Greetings Peter 2017-11-16 16:39 GMT+01:00 Joanmarie Diggs : > Hi Nick. > > I'll take a look to see where the problem is. Thanks! > --joanie > > On 11/16/2017 06:31 AM, Nick Wood wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I'm just trying out the live Fedora 27 workstation, which includes Gnome > > 3.26. > > > > In this version of Gnome they have redesigned the Settings app. > > > > It seems quite hard to navigate around with Orca, and a lot of panels > > aren't announced at all, e.g. the first item you land on is for WiFi, > > and while flat review can read bits of it, tabbing around yields nothing. > > > > Has anyone else experienced problems with this new and improved settings > > app, and if so, should we be logging bugs somewhere so things can get > > fixed? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Nick > > _______________________________________________ > > orca-list mailing list > > orca-list@gnome.org > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > GNOME Universal Access guide: > > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/ > gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > --001a114ba784af2fc8055e66d7f1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,

When the Gnome 3.26 s= ettings manager shows up you can use up and down arrow keys to navigate ove= r the icons representing each section. You can activate the icon by pressin= g the enter key. However that does not automagically change the focus to th= e corresponding view that has just got expanded so in order to leave the li= st of icons you can press right arrow key or ctrl+tab keyboard shortcuts.
You need to work out which of these two is suitable for which sect= ions. For example activating a wifi icon and pressing ctrl+tab focuses a pa= nnel you seemingly can't navigate over with orca.
When pressi= ng ctrl+tab on an activated bluetooth icon, the focus is placed on a label = which is only accessible with flat review so I would say in this case it= 9;s usefull.
In most cases these are only differences that are es= sential to navigate most of the settings as the expanded views are either v= ery similar to those we do know from earlier gnome versions or these are ea= sy to navigate.
Wifi, Network sections are the one which have bee= n redesigned and I am afraid very little accessibility related work has bee= n put into it.
Within the wifi settings there is just a single un= labelled focusable toggle button (at least from orca side of things). By us= ing flat review luckily we can identify a list of wifi networks in range al= ong with corresponding options button for each of those network. It is not = clear which of those networks is connected. It is not possible to navigate = in the list of wifi networks using standard navigation commands. The signal= strength for each wifi network in range is not communicated to the accessi= bility API. The options button is not focusable and can't be activated = by using the keyboard.
Networks section can be navigated somehow = however the experience is not very streamlined and I feel it's unpredic= table.
When the network icon is selected you can press enter key = to activate as always.
To understand what this settings section d= oes and how it operates it's very usefull to explore the window by usin= g flat review. It appears there are a few subsections representing individu= al connectivity features available on your system. e.g. on mine, there are = Ethernet, Bluetooth and VPN. Each section has a new button at the top (usua= lly not labelled at all!) and the list listing NetworkManager profiles asso= ciated with corresponding network type. In some cases this list can be navi= gated by using up and down arrow keys (e.g. ethernet) sometimes individual = entries seem to act as if each of them would be placed in the seperate list= (VPN). I can't reliably navigate between the sections. Sometimes press= ing right arrow key when the unlabelled button is focused moves to a differ= ent section, however it does not jump from ethernet to Bluetooth but it jum= ps from ethernet straight to VPN so it's confusing like hell. Presentat= ion of items in these lists is also very confusing. For example when tabbin= g into a list of wired networks orca presents something like Wired connecti= on 1 options button. Pressing enter or spacebar while this is focused does = nothing. Pressing the tab key moves focus to an options button which works = like a normal button. To make it a less confusing perhaps these should be r= epurposed into a single UI control or when reporting the first one the opti= ons button should not be reported at all.
I can see the same inco= nsistent UI presentation accross all new lists e.g. in the battery section = when you are repeatedly pressing the tab key orca reports the following (it= ems divided by comma): Battery charged 100%, Battery saving list of 8 items= Light slider 10, Light slider 10, dim screen when not active toggle button= pressed, dim screen when not active toggle button pressed..... I believe y= ou can see. Seemingly each item is duplicated. However upon further testing= you realize that the first of those seeming duplicates is not interactive = and you have to move to the second in order to act on it.

I would say no coordinated efforts, no communication, no postings t= o the gnome accessibility list for ages, cancelled a11y meetings, broken ac= cessibility team and almost no real accessibility related work except of at= -spi, atk and orca development is taking place in the gnome community. I ha= ve posted more than once about this in the past so I am not expecting this = to ever change, it's that today I do have a good day and am happy to sh= ow a bit more patience to this yet one more time. Well I can see accessibil= ity related commits for example in GTK however I am not sure these skilled = developers can understand issues like these. We really need better coordina= tion here.
Can you guys suggest how to go about improving the sit= uation. I can't just write messages like these, or subscribe to loads o= f already filed bugs, or report new bugs to be stalled for ages in the bugz= illa or to go to the IRC explaining I think I can understand a little of ac= cessibility issues people may have with the platform telling that it's = still the most accessible linux desktop environment on the planed but the a= ccessibility is slowly getting ruined.

We need thi= s to stop and try to slowly revert this process so more new stuff will beco= me more accessible again.

What can we do?

Greetings

Peter



2017-11-16 16:39 GMT+01:00 Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs@igalia.com&g= t;:
Hi Nick.

I'll take a look to see where the problem is. Thanks!
--joanie

On 11/16/2017 06:31 AM, Nick Wood wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm just trying out the live Fedora 27 workstation, which includes= Gnome
> 3.26.
>
> In this version of Gnome they have redesigned the Settings app.
>
> It seems quite hard to navigate around with Orca, and a lot of panels<= br> > aren't announced at all, e.g. the first item you land on is for Wi= Fi,
> and while flat review can read bits of it, tabbing around yields nothi= ng.
>
> Has anyone else experienced problems with this new and improved settin= gs
> app, and if so, should we be logging bugs somewhere so things can get<= br> > fixed?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nick
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> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/= orca/stable/
> GNOME Universal Access guide:
> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome= -help/stable/a11y.html
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If you only would like to configure it to load concrete driver modules for a few devices you would like it to hijack you can create your user specific ~/.config/pulse/default.pa commenting out parts which are controlling the autodetection and manually loading those driver modules and those feature specific modules you do care about. The file /etc/pulse/default.pa contains usefull examples with some comments alongside them so I think you will realize how the puzzle will stick together when you combine it with the knowledge on alsa device ordering you have explained to us a few months ago. For example you might like to comment out this... ### Automatically load driver modules depending on the hardware available .ifexists module-udev-detect.so load-module module-udev-detect .else ### Use the static hardware detection module (for systems that lack udev support) load-module module-detect .endif and you might like to uncomment and modify this instead ### Load audio drivers statically ### (it's probably better to not load these drivers manually, but instead ### use module-udev-detect -- see below -- for doing this automatically) #load-module module-alsa-sink #load-module module-alsa-source device=3Dhw:1,0 And depending on what you are trying to do you may also like to optionally uncomment #load-module module-null-sink #load-module module-pipe-sink By learning this and making pulse work for you, combining it with its ability to be controlled via pacmd cli utility pulseaudio might become your new Mackie if you will have problems finding a device featuring classic radio style controls and knobs. I am occassionally thinking about your sound setup as you have described it a few months ago and this is definatelly one of the directions you should try exploring. I have always wanted to point it out gently so you might like to consider something like this however I was not sure you will like it so depending on my current mood I was putting it aside all the time. Now you have shown your interest in this direction so I've changed my mind a bit. I don't have much more experiences with setting up a sound system, however I do like pulseaudio so if you are happy to talk with someone else who is thinking from the other end to yours please just ask. I think we may have fun trying out new ways on how to make it work. Greetings Peter 2017-11-15 16:03 GMT+01:00 Janina Sajka via orca-list = : > Chrys: > > I've kept your message from August around because I've found it useful. > Thank you. > > Quick question: Do you know of a cli way of telling pulse to ignore > certain cards and use certain others instead? For instance, how can I tel= l > pulse to > limit itself to cards 2 and 3, and leave 0, 1 and 4 alone? > > Thanks, > > Janina > > chrys writes: > > Howdy, > > > > you can get all your soundcards with > > pactl list short sinks > > or more detailed with: > > pacmd list-sinks > > > > to set a new default device use: > > pacmd set-default-sink > > the index is the number on the beginning of the line of pactl list shor= t > > sinks > > > > if the wrong soundcard is set you can run those commans via SSH. > > it remembers the default but if you dont trust and want to be sure that= a > > special device is set you can place it as start script > > > > i also wrote a small script and bound it to an bash and gnome shortcut = to > > cycle between all soundcards (maybe its useful for you or others) > > ---- script start ------ > > #!/bin/bash > > > > sinks=3D(`pacmd list-sinks | sed -n -e > > 's/\**[[:space:]]index:[[:space:]]\([[:digit:]]\)/\1/p'`) > > sinks_count=3D${#sinks[@]} > > active_sink_index=3D`pacmd list-sinks | sed -n -e > > 's/\*[[:space:]]index:[[:space:]]\([[:digit:]]\)/\1/p'` > > newSink=3D${sinks[0]} > > ord=3D0 > > > > while [ $ord -lt $sinks_count ]; > > do > > echo ${sinks[$ord]} > > if [ ${sinks[$ord]} -gt $active_sink_index ] ; then > > newSink=3D${sinks[$ord]} > > break > > fi > > let ord++ > > done > > > > # move current running streams to the new device > > pactl list short sink-inputs|while read stream; do > > streamId=3D$(echo $stream|cut '-d ' -f1) > > echo "moving stream $streamId" > > pactl move-sink-input "$streamId" "$newSink" > > done > > pacmd set-default-sink "$newSink" > > --- script end---- > > > > Am 20.08.2017 um 18:01 schrieb John G. Heim: > > > Well, it's kind of hard to reconfigure pulse when you have no sound. > > > Again, at least 3 times in the past year or 2, I've lost sound, had t= o > > > use ssh to get into my computer, and remove the ~/.config/pulse/ > folder. > > > I didn't make up the solution, I found it on this list. So I am not t= he > > > only one. It's a problem. Lets not act like it's not. > > > > > > > > > I don't know, I speculated pulse's problems were due to it not being > > > possible to guarantee the order in which hardware devices are > > > discovered. Maybe that's wrong but it's not really to the point. > > > Somebody says pulse has a prioritizing algorithm which seems reasonab= le > > > to me. But that algorithm probably at least somewhat depends on the > > > order in which ards are discovered. I don't know how it could be > > > otherwise and there certainly seems to be amount of randomness in it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 08/19/2017 01:39 PM, chrys wrote: > > > > Howdy, > > > > > > > > sorry but that is just bullshit lol. Also PA does not choose an > > > > random sound card. it uses that one that you defined as default. > > > > You also can set output devices and prioritys by scripting or > > > > configuration like in alsa... so that argument is just wrong. > > > > cheers chrys > > > > Am 19.08.2017 um 20:24 schrieb Janina Sajka via orca-list: > > > > > Micha: > > > > > > > > > > For me this is yet another reason to stay away from pulse. The la= st > > > > > thing I need with 5 sound cards is having some bot deciding which > ones > > > > > should do what, and in what order. I have no use for machines tha= t > > > > > ignore my specified configurations to make up their own. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In other words, this is just another way for things to break. > > > > > > > > > > Janina > > > > > > > > > > Micha=C5=82 Zegan writes: > > > > > > actually from what i know, pulseaudio does not go by ordering, > but it > > > > > > prioritizes cards based on type like internal card vs usb card = vs > > > > > > whatever... etc > > > > > > > > > > > > W dniu 19.08.2017 o 19:56, Janina Sajka via orca-list pisze: > > > > > > > Hi, John: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I noted one comment in your post re pulseaudio that I want to > respond > > > > > > > to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John G Heim writes: > > > > > > > > ... you can never guarantee that hardware > > > > > > > > devices are discovered in the same order. ... > > > > > > > No, but you can control the card order they're assigned, e.g. > via > > > > > > > /etc/modprobe.d/alsa.conf using vid=3D and pid=3D params for > multiple USB > > > > > > > sound cards. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The best on line summary of available approaches I've > > > > > > > found to date is > > > > > > > at: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleCards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm currently working through the above as I have a nagging > problem > > > > > > > every time I'm forced to reboot, e.g. after installing a new > Linux > > > > > > > kernel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My problem is that my hda device isn't always > > > > > > > discovered. This morning I > > > > > > > ran a system update and had to reboot some 30 times > > > > > > > before my Intel-810 > > > > > > > hda device was discovered. I've looked in the logs. The > > > > > > > problem is the > > > > > > > system is literally not seeing the device on most boots, yet > once > > > > > > > loaded, it runs perfectly for days and weeks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to the above referenced article, there are > > > > > > > approaches I might > > > > > > > try to resolve my problem without rebooting. And, it seems my > current > > > > > > > ordering config code could be updated, too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nevertheless, I offer my current code because it does > > > > > > > work to reliably > > > > > > > order my 5 sound devices. The always come up in the > > > > > > > order defined below. > > > > > > > My only issue is whether, or not card 0 has been found, else > the > > > > > > > remaining devices are shifted by 1--which doesn't help > > > > > > > my situation as I > > > > > > > need the headset to match my configured FreeSwitch > > > > > > > config, just as one > > > > > > > example. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alias snd-card-0 snd-hd-intel > > > > > > > options snd-card-0 index=3D0 > > > > > > > options snd-hda-intel id=3DPCH index=3D0 > > > > > > > alias snd-card-1 headset > > > > > > > options snd-card-1 index=3D1 > > > > > > > options snd-usb-audio index=3D1 vid=3D0x1395 pid=3D0x3556 > > > > > > > alias snd-card-2 cmedia > > > > > > > options snd-card-2 index=3D2 > > > > > > > options snd-usb-audio index=3D2 vid=3D0x0d8c pid=3D0x000c > > > > > > > alias snd-card-3 ice > > > > > > > options snd-card-3 index=3D3 > > > > > > > options snd-ice1724 index=3D3 > > > > > > > alias snd-card-4 hdsp > > > > > > > options snd-card-4 index=3D4 > > > > > > > options snd-hdsp index=3D4 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > orca-list mailing list > > > > > > > orca-list@gnome.org > > > > > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > > > > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > > > > > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > > > > > > GNOME Universal Access guide: > > > > > > > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > > > > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > orca-list mailing list > > > > orca-list@gnome.org > > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > > > GNOME Universal Access guide: > > > > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > orca-list mailing list > > orca-list@gnome.org > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/ > gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 > sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net > Email: janina@rednote.net > > Linux Foundation Fellow > Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org > > The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) > Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/ > gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > --f403045f155e83ef9c055e674bff Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Janina,

By default pulseaudio is configured t= hrough its main configuration file at /etc/pulse/default.pa to dynamically load all the modules corresponding with y= our hardware taking over all the available sound devices.
If you only wo= uld like to configure it to load concrete driver modules for a few devices = you would like it to hijack you can create your user specific ~/.config/pul= se/default.pa commenting out parts which = are controlling the autodetection and manually loading those driver modules= and those feature specific modules you do care about.
The file /etc/pul= se/default.pa contains usefull examples w= ith some comments alongside them so I think you will realize how the puzzle= will stick together when you combine it with the knowledge on alsa device = ordering you have explained to us a few months ago.
For example you migh= t like to comment out this...
### Automatically load driver modules depe= nding on the hardware available
.ifexists module-udev-detect.so
load-= module module-udev-detect
.else
### Use the static hardware detection= module (for systems that lack udev support)
load-module module-detect.endif
and you might like to uncomment and modify this instead
### = Load audio drivers statically
### (it's probably better to not load = these drivers manually, but instead
### use module-udev-detect -- see be= low -- for doing this automatically)
#load-module module-alsa-sink
#l= oad-module module-alsa-source device=3Dhw:1,0
And depending on what you = are trying to do you may also like to optionally uncomment
#load-module = module-null-sink
#load-module module-pipe-sink

By learning this a= nd making pulse work for you, combining it with its ability to be controlle= d via pacmd cli utility pulseaudio might become your new Mackie if you will= have problems finding a device featuring classic radio style controls and = knobs.
I am occassionally thinking about your sound setup as you have de= scribed it a few months ago and this is definatelly one of the directions y= ou should try exploring.
I have always wanted to point it out gently so = you might like to consider something like this however I was not sure you w= ill like it so depending on my current mood I was putting it aside all the = time.
Now you have shown your interest in this direction so I've cha= nged my mind a bit.
I don't have much more experiences with setting = up a sound system, however I do like pulseaudio so if you are happy to talk= with someone else who is thinking from the other end to yours please just = ask. I think we may have fun trying out new ways on how to make it work.
Greetings

Peter


2017-11-15 16:03 GMT+01:00 Janina Sajka via orca-li= st <orca-list@gnome.org>:

chrys writes:
> Howdy,
>
> you can get all your soundcards with
> pactl list short sinks
> or more detailed with:
> pacmd list-sinks
>
> to set a new default device use:
> pacmd set-default-sink <Index>
> the index is the number on the beginning of the line of pactl list sho= rt
> sinks
>
> if the wrong soundcard is set you can run those commans via SSH.
> it remembers the default but if you dont trust and want to be sure tha= t a
> special device is set you can place it as start script
>
> i also wrote a small script and bound it to an bash and gnome shortcut= to
> cycle between all soundcards (maybe its useful for you or others)
> ---- script start ------
> #!/bin/bash
>
> sinks=3D(`pacmd list-sinks | sed -n -e
> 's/\**[[:space:]]index:[[:space:]]\([[:digit:]]\)/\1/p'`<= wbr>)
> sinks_count=3D${#sinks[@]}
> active_sink_index=3D`pacmd list-sinks | sed -n -e
> 's/\*[[:space:]]index:[[:space:]]\([[:digit:]]\)/\1/p'` > newSink=3D${sinks[0]}
> ord=3D0
>
> while [ $ord -lt $sinks_count ];
> do
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0echo ${sinks[$ord]}
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0if [ ${sinks[$ord]} -gt $active_sink_index ] ; then=
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0newSink=3D${sinks[$ord]}
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0break
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0fi
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0let ord++
> done
>
> # move current running streams to the new device
> pactl list short sink-inputs|while read stream; do
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0streamId=3D$(echo $stream|cut '-d ' -f1) >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0echo "moving stream $streamId"
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0pactl move-sink-input "$streamId" "$= newSink"
> done
> pacmd set-default-sink "$newSink"
> --- script end----
>
> Am 20.08.2017 um 18:01 schrieb John G. Heim:
> > Well, it's kind of hard to reconfigure pulse when you have no= sound.
> > Again, at least 3 times in the past year or 2, I've lost soun= d, had to
> > use ssh to get into my computer, and remove the ~/.config/pulse/ = folder.
> > I didn't make up the solution, I found it on this list. So I = am not the
> > only one. It's a problem. Lets not act like it's not.
> >
> >
> > I don't know, I speculated pulse's problems were due to i= t not being
> > possible to guarantee the order in which hardware devices are
> > discovered. Maybe that's wrong but it's not really to the= point.
> > Somebody says pulse has a prioritizing algorithm which seems reas= onable
> > to me. But that algorithm probably at least somewhat depends on t= he
> > order in which ards are discovered. I don't know how it could= be
> > otherwise and there certainly seems to be amount of randomness in= it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 08/19/2017 01:39 PM, chrys wrote:
> > > Howdy,
> > >
> > > sorry but that is just bullshit lol. Also PA does not choose= an
> > > random sound card. it uses that one that you defined as defa= ult.
> > > You also can set output devices and prioritys by scripting o= r
> > > configuration like in alsa... so that argument is just wrong= .
> > >=C2=A0 cheers chrys
> > > Am 19.08.2017 um 20:24 schrieb Janina Sajka via orca-list: > > > > Micha:
> > > >
> > > > For me this is yet another reason to stay away from pul= se. The last
> > > > thing I need with 5 sound cards is having some bot deci= ding which ones
> > > > should do what, and in what order. I have no use for ma= chines that
> > > > ignore my specified configurations to make up their own= .
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In other words, this is just another way for things to = break.
> > > >
> > > > Janina
> > > >
> > > > Micha=C5=82 Zegan writes:
> > > > > actually from what i know, pulseaudio does not go = by ordering, but it
> > > > > prioritizes cards based on type like internal card= vs usb card vs
> > > > > whatever... etc
> > > > >
> > > > > W dniu 19.08.2017 o 19:56, Janina Sajka via orca-l= ist pisze:
> > > > > > Hi, John:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I noted one comment in your post re pulseaudi= o that I want to respond
> > > > > > to.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John G Heim writes:
> > > > > > > ... you can never guarantee that hardwar= e
> > > > > > > devices are discovered in the same order= . ...
> > > > > > No, but you can control the card order they&#= 39;re assigned, e.g. via
> > > > > > /etc/modprobe.d/alsa.conf using vid=3D and pi= d=3D params for multiple USB
> > > > > > sound cards.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The best on line summary of available approac= hes I've
> > > > > > found to date is
> > > > > > at:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://alsa.opensrc.org/Mult= ipleCards
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm currently working through the above a= s I have a nagging problem
> > > > > > every time I'm forced to reboot, e.g. aft= er installing a new Linux
> > > > > > kernel.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My problem is that my hda device isn't al= ways
> > > > > > discovered. This morning I
> > > > > > ran a system update and had to reboot some 30= times
> > > > > > before my Intel-810
> > > > > > hda device was discovered. I've looked in= the logs. The
> > > > > > problem is the
> > > > > > system is literally not seeing the device on = most boots, yet once
> > > > > > loaded, it runs perfectly for days and weeks.=
> > > > > >
> > > > > > According to the above referenced article, th= ere are
> > > > > > approaches I might
> > > > > > try to resolve my problem without rebooting. = And, it seems my current
> > > > > > ordering config code could be updated, too. > > > > > >
> > > > > > Nevertheless, I offer my current code because= it does
> > > > > > work to reliably
> > > > > > order my 5 sound devices. The always come up = in the
> > > > > > order defined below.
> > > > > > My only issue is whether, or not card 0 has b= een found, else the
> > > > > > remaining devices are shifted by 1--which doe= sn't help
> > > > > > my situation as I
> > > > > > need the headset to match my configured FreeS= witch
> > > > > > config, just as one
> > > > > > example.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > <begin config file code>
> > > > > > alias snd-card-0 snd-hd-intel
> > > > > > options snd-card-0 index=3D0
> > > > > > options snd-hda-intel id=3DPCH index=3D0
> > > > > > alias snd-card-1 headset
> > > > > > options snd-card-1 index=3D1
> > > > > > options snd-usb-audio index=3D1 vid=3D0x1395 = pid=3D0x3556
> > > > > > alias snd-card-2 cmedia
> > > > > > options snd-card-2 index=3D2
> > > > > > options snd-usb-audio index=3D2 vid=3D0x0d8c = pid=3D0x000c
> > > > > > alias snd-card-3 ice
> > > > > > options snd-card-3 index=3D3
> > > > > > options snd-ice1724 index=3D3
> > > > > > alias snd-card-4 hdsp
> > > > > > options snd-card-4 index=3D4
> > > > > > options snd-hdsp index=3D4
> > > > > > <end config file code>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ________________________________________= _______
> > > > > > orca-list mailing list
> > > > > > orca-l= ist@gnome.org
> > > > > > https://mail.gnome.or= g/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> > > > > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/= Projects/Orca
> > > > > > Orca documentation: https://h= elp.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
> > > > > > GNOME Universal Access guide:
> > > > > > https://help.g= nome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
> > > > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzi= lla.gnome.org
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > orca-list mailing list
> > > orca-list@gnome.org
> > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/= listinfo/orca-list
> > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/O= rca
> > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/u= sers/orca/stable/
> > > GNOME Universal Access guide:
> > > https://help.gnome.org/users/= gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
> > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/= orca/stable/
> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://h= elp.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org

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--f403045f155e83ef9c055e674bff-- From pvdeejay@gmail.com Mon Nov 20 10:24:21 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EB9E76306 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 10:24:21 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v54mlCstaO_d for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 10:24:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f52.google.com (mail-wm0-f52.google.com [74.125.82.52]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ABC6976291 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 10:24:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-f52.google.com with SMTP id v186so17481562wma.2 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 02:24:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=+TjlE7mxJb0NBfAJnPbL1WYjrVftLZEFruZpSbBPraQ=; b=glQ6SD2dNRTeFsKEHy0ffm/qo0jCfvCfe3Q4GIz6KhFqFwM8B6EsjXgG6f68LNeIju 9MqC9A6SRyR+pN/evL8EitO83Y0+3TjEZ0LL+Cf7bJ2247gQo7BQ4h4eHNrrzbCqg2oW HXYhr5/A4+BjJjhz3wpPxCJHy3DoFIZp/MXdkHJTSgLacPskYj0tucm2+hpHnp8Lrdyh Otee76r0qukmxkW2wMkbD/pjM4DwKtw0I6phnjPg8C54mKtzl/kQm0/I39+r/1vOzFl7 5q7dIfbyPneBfK0fuAfirD0aiCw7lMbcziYolULQp0O8/H9AVmsCEcok4lY51AjMKI5g qEvQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=+TjlE7mxJb0NBfAJnPbL1WYjrVftLZEFruZpSbBPraQ=; b=T9+or3Wqqouzt4FYHuzQegl4WySvRcM2JNGqhkXn3aJT+N/jFEUcWhTCFq7T9o1WPs TxsUAzops/hc5FgJqSZYjmp9nFl6NJSCYfDYFjrV+1hICXwUdfvG34kJ3oGNKT/qbI6J JVI+XyxZzytGvLmnxGxAD8m+toh++L/KIaNqVdR5gzTTCCh6NnKFFCZXXa2VEdi7yV6Y satvalsj7ENTlmpyuTOcBIGNW9pgKar1DePRs5R4XXwF2bg3KNtZwOBbHdWvBd1zqoiC 3cxsCu7dvDksEcMHQOeJQCuSdVQV2+1je9tf9JQlNLauFmHXLPdlRPE1DNCkETwwv3XQ 7vYw== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX6H9B2EYzRpCosK4SaFNfo9Yg42CVR6bVoSTwCopOiKC+eNXOFu aahNp+kHNGi6NBsI7wtAZH0vY+p1BNANSsXrpJ4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMbM31+KGfpqAzNkynyttGu4I00SyqGh+mVK3ulw/FDGQLQR0ZiT6IS0zWo3+CDdeWOzm1DlKH6K6c2pJRdD6qY= X-Received: by 10.28.174.78 with SMTP id x75mr11024715wme.27.1511173456696; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 02:24:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.184.76 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 02:24:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=C3=A1gner?= Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 11:24:15 +0100 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?B?Vm9qdMSbY2ggxaFtaXJv?= Cc: Jason White via orca-list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a11443fe0149950055e677dcc" Subject: Re: [orca-list] Sound icons in Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 10:24:21 -0000 --001a11443fe0149950055e677dcc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, Currently orca is doing almost no audio except of progressbar beeps. In order to this to be usefull and robust enough I think orca needs something similar that's currently being happening at NVDA for Windows. See here for an awesome pull request to NVDA for some inspiration: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/pull/7599 Greetings Peter 2017-11-14 12:16 GMT+01:00 Vojt=C4=9Bch =C5=A1miro : > Hello. > > Is some way to make sound icons in Orca? I would like to have this. Orca > will not say buttons, links, checkboxes, but it wil play sound. Is it > possible? > > Thanks. > > Best regards > > Vojta. > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/g > nome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > --001a11443fe0149950055e677dcc Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,

Currently orca is doi= ng almost no audio except of progressbar beeps. In order to this to be usef= ull and robust enough I think orca needs something similar that's curre= ntly being happening at NVDA for Windows.
See here for an awesome= pull request to NVDA for some inspiration: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/pull/7599

Greetings

Peter

2017= -11-14 12:16 GMT+01:00 Vojt=C4=9Bch =C5=A1miro <vsmiro@seznam.cz>:
Hello.

Is some way to make sound icons in Orca? I would like to have this. Orca wi= ll not say buttons, links, checkboxes, but it wil play sound. Is it possibl= e?

Thanks.

Best regards

Vojta.
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Some of the keyboard shortcuts e.g. square brackets don't take other than english us keyboard into accounts so what I am doing here is that I am always manually remapping these and perhaps even some more keys in the audacity preferences. Audacity is accessible to an extend on linux especially when you do know the app from windows you can be a bit more effective as you already know what to expect in cases where wxwidgets accessibility is lacking. For example treeviews, radio buttons, time ranges and more complicated widgets are not accessible to orca. Because of this multitrack specific features and manipulating audio selection are a bit harder however some simple recording, applying effects, saving audio it's all accessible. Greetings Peter 2017-11-14 9:31 GMT+01:00 ArkadiusZ : > Hello, > > How can I trim sound files with Orca using Audacity? Square Brackets > aren't working. By the way, is this program somewhat usable with Orca? > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/g > nome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > --001a114ba7849c104a055e679756 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,

As for the audacity s= hortcut keys you might like to reconfigure them in the Preferences -> Ke= yboard. Some of the keyboard shortcuts e.g. square brackets don't take = other than english us keyboard into accounts so what I am doing here is tha= t I am always manually remapping these and perhaps even some more keys in t= he audacity preferences.
Audacity is accessible to an extend on l= inux especially when you do know the app from windows you can be a bit more= effective as you already know what to expect in cases where wxwidgets acce= ssibility is lacking. For example treeviews, radio buttons, time ranges and= more complicated widgets are not accessible to orca. Because of this multi= track specific features and manipulating audio selection are a bit harder h= owever some simple recording, applying effects, saving audio it's all a= ccessible.

Greetings

Pete= r

= 2017-11-14 9:31 GMT+01:00 ArkadiusZ <nuno69a@poczta.fm>:
=
Hello,

How can I trim sound files with Orca using Audacity? Square Brackets aren&#= 39;t working. By the way, is this program somewhat usable with Orca?

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--001a114ba7849c104a055e679756-- From pvdeejay@gmail.com Mon Nov 20 11:07:58 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0BA976357 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 11:07:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FF8BaKVBuNm1 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 11:07:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wr0-f175.google.com (mail-wr0-f175.google.com [209.85.128.175]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EBD8476306 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 11:07:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wr0-f175.google.com with SMTP id a63so7685936wrc.12 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 03:07:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=+KX4RDri5ZS6hgKcmpXNKVeshreJcxnIxTR1GLLPaV4=; b=FxvQHAKanaF6obTC1GnW+J3tcmPMICC3/9XrMSqJx2aXrXJuGi/dGjdv7u2ArLFXud 2g3afRgDZUOmOnQILYHPaUAmjyxIk4X+frSy7KEwuxD+UWspO8oCEnh5p7oG60jYZny+ 5XwCDwMRnbFwTFRb72FAfCOGF0Dzhrlh680mx90IXKcmvCYrt4ka+dfQnUkuyNjc4jxC GwaOMpwigNeLyzXPVATojHtIoknmXD8bXtulW0paA4k2Teym7eqWtAp+5UGeMOyD6aSq QVI9TOq/OqfbDnjbYllmNyXJ0oiyRxzlbGmrc3fGDUfgp/pL3D6S4OXUr+wskpB7EuU8 cfXQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=+KX4RDri5ZS6hgKcmpXNKVeshreJcxnIxTR1GLLPaV4=; b=T2AqhciWhc91Cxd1X3U10+1ve1ZBdMrbp5qLTTeWghILb3DU7B75mSsWGCOeJBgFCy /KDAxC9mMdjGgA5wWBC2D3NEUJN/AIiEst25Ce2HctDzSnq+393ikY8A5ykGk0DNaBU/ vx/tLLM03oOjtewTpYGdmL75M+6DVB9Da99a3XA5DqJWUnYBqhdYtDysvBjHutRERnEt +T6JFRLVB8WoK1O2oNa9PHsq2hrGACFWBLWZo+gsbgH2FeTrzuzEcArEh5VcXAWjBT++ 0oYM13iYrmHKFMe82myWgMEmmBGC++GL1NuZxuysoYVHO8APyEAw/MrLLYAOTAYdqBJC zyiA== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX44nbPBZcau+PW09Mxaam8wlGbY/hWfpXXUbsdfW00zgLqNVjrc U/xzyl8nbrVufCxROGETDc3CGanFmX2NFGnBW1M= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMY8B38xDtwLOLTnmCVVoN0vjaRHiitjZNU7dv+6NZahbtv1RG+wCTIM6dONaQHVONeXxXM67Y1wboGQHRJj6Yk= X-Received: by 10.223.142.143 with SMTP id q15mr5363503wrb.6.1511176070952; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 03:07:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.184.76 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 03:07:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5e270f99-21c9-e049-32df-518934855817@igalia.com> References: <4e6cab22-1212-383d-5dc0-33497c44540f@gmail.com> <5e270f99-21c9-e049-32df-518934855817@igalia.com> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=C3=A1gner?= Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 12:07:50 +0100 Message-ID: To: Joanmarie Diggs Cc: =?UTF-8?B?UGF2ZWwgVmzEjWVr?= , Orca List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f403045f517ce6fc54055e681894" Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca and Firefox 57 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 11:07:59 -0000 --f403045f517ce6fc54055e681894 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, Finally I have been prompted to keep running nightly version of Firefox for my day to day browsing so hopefully in the future I might be able to notice possible accessibility issues sooner than later. Both Firefox 57 stable and Firefox 59 nightly are working fine for me and what I'm describing in this post appear to work the same way in both these versions although I can't prove it performance improvements on Firefox are also noticeable when running Firefox 59 with orca. The positive news is that infinity scrolling has been changed in a way that I can just keep pressing arrow keys when navigating with orca running and Firefox scrolls the parts I am navigating to into view. I have first noticed this with a riot.im chat app as its room timeline is designed to scroll infinitelly. I was able to verify this at other pages e.g. Facebook. Note how Facebook issues notification saying something loaded more events when you are navigating by headings in the timeline. Depending on your situation I would say this is such a dramatic change that a lot of people would wish to update to Firefox 57! However I have so far also noticed one negative change. When using Firefox built-in find dialog to search for content orca used to present the match highlighted in the content view when pressing the enter key inside the find dialog. After upgrading to Firefox 57 this appears to be very random and most of the times orca is not reporting the search result as its being highlighted. When pressing esc key to dismiss the find dialog the line with the last search hit is preselected so I fail to understand what's going on wrong here. Joanie, please please can you try looking at it if you can understand this better and possibly suggest if there is a way to improve this? Greetings Peter 2017-11-09 15:06 GMT+01:00 Joanmarie Diggs : > Hi Pavel. > > I hope you don't mind my CCing the Orca list since maybe other people > are wondering the same thing. > > Regarding Firefox 57 and Windows: Linux is not Windows. Unless something > has changed about which I am unaware, Orca should continue to work with > Firefox. I use Orca with Firefox Nightly which is currently in version > 58. Still works for me. I've not had to make any special "new firefox" > modifications to Orca. And again, as far as I am aware, there are no > such modifications for me to make. If you are experiencing something > different, please let me know. > > Thanks! > --joanie > > On 11/09/2017 12:29 AM, Pavel Vl=C4=8Dek wrote: > > Dear Joanie, > > > > Firefox 57 is coming on 14th November. Developers changed access to > > assistive technologies and Windows screen reader users must now disable > > Firefox updates, because it is inaccessible at this time. So my questio= n > > is, will Orca work with new Firefox 57 and if so, what version of Orca > > will be ready for new Firefox? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Pavel > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/ > gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > --f403045f517ce6fc54055e681894 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,

Finally I have been p= rompted to keep running nightly version of Firefox for my day to day browsi= ng so hopefully in the future I might be able to notice possible accessibil= ity issues sooner than later.

Both Firefox 57 stab= le and Firefox 59 nightly are working fine for me and what I'm describi= ng in this post appear to work the same way in both these versions although= I can't prove it performance improvements on Firefox are also noticeab= le when running Firefox 59 with orca.

The positive= news is that infinity scrolling has been changed in a way that I can just = keep pressing arrow keys when navigating with orca running and Firefox scro= lls the parts I am navigating to into view.
I have first noticed = this with a riot.im chat app as its room tim= eline is designed to scroll infinitelly. I was able to verify this at other= pages e.g. Facebook. Note how Facebook issues notification saying somethin= g loaded more events when you are navigating by headings in the timeline.
Depending on your situation I would say this is such a dramatic ch= ange that a lot of people would wish to update to Firefox 57!
However I have so far also noticed one negative change. When us= ing Firefox built-in find dialog to search for content orca used to present= the match highlighted in the content view when pressing the enter key insi= de the find dialog. After upgrading to Firefox 57 this appears to be very r= andom and most of the times orca is not reporting the search result as its = being highlighted. When pressing esc key to dismiss the find dialog the lin= e with the last search hit is preselected so I fail to understand what'= s going on wrong here. Joanie, please please can you try looking at it if y= ou can understand this better and possibly suggest if there is a way to imp= rove this?

Greetings

Pete= r




2017-11-09 15:06 GMT+01:00 Joanmar= ie Diggs <jdiggs@igalia.com>:
Hi Pavel.

I hope you don't mind my CCing the Orca list since maybe other people are wondering the same thing.

Regarding Firefox 57 and Windows: Linux is not Windows. Unless something has changed about which I am unaware, Orca should continue to work with
Firefox. I use Orca with Firefox Nightly which is currently in version
58. Still works for me. I've not had to make any special "new fire= fox"
modifications to Orca. And again, as far as I am aware, there are no
such modifications for me to make. If you are experiencing something
different, please let me know.

Thanks!
--joanie

On 11/09/2017 12:29 AM, Pavel Vl=C4=8Dek wrote:
> Dear Joanie,
>
> Firefox 57 is coming on 14th November. Developers changed access to > assistive technologies and Windows screen reader users must now disabl= e
> Firefox updates, because it is inaccessible at this time. So my questi= on
> is, will Orca work with new Firefox 57 and if so, what version of Orca=
> will be ready for new Firefox?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pavel
>
>
>

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Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/= stable/
GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.g= nome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org

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Their website appears not to be updated on the details though. So Perhaps you will like to contact them to get the more details and / or order the unit. Greetings Peter 2017-11-07 17:44 GMT+01:00 Nolan Darilek : > Sorry this is a bit OT, but is this display the $449 Orbit Reader 20? If > so, is it available for purchase? Googling leads me to an APH page stating > it will be available soon, but access tech companies aren't very good at > SEO, so maybe it's available somewhere and not easily found? > > > > On 11/07/2017 10:37 AM, Alex ARNAUD wrote: > >> OK, it's out of my knowledge, could you ask your question to BRLTTY >> mailing list? http://www.brltty.com/contact.html#list >> >> The developers are active and will guide you to the process to make your >> braille device working. BRLTTY maintainer is not on this mailing list. >> >> Best regards. >> > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/g > nome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > --001a1149235c88e944055e68f9eb Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,

Perhaps you've al= ready found out, however after reading this review https://coolblindtech.co= m/a-brief-look-at-the-orbit-reader-20/ I think Orbit 20 can definatelly= be purchased from APH in the US. Their website appears not to be updated o= n the details though.
So Perhaps you will like to contact them to= get the more details and / or order the unit.

Greetings

Peter


2017-11-07 17= :44 GMT+01:00 Nolan Darilek <nolan@thewordnerd.info>:
Sorry this is a bit OT, but is this displa= y the $449 Orbit Reader 20? If so, is it available for purchase? Googling l= eads me to an APH page stating it will be available soon, but access tech c= ompanies aren't very good at SEO, so maybe it's available somewhere= and not easily found?



On 11/07/2017 10:37 AM, Alex ARNAUD wrote:
OK, it's out of my knowledge, could you ask your question to BRLTTY mai= ling list? http://www.brltty.com/contact.html#list
The developers are active and will guide you to the process to make your br= aille device working. BRLTTY maintainer is not on this mailing list.

Best regards.

_______________________________________________
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--001a1149235c88e944055e68f9eb-- From pvdeejay@gmail.com Mon Nov 20 12:25:55 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08C74763DC for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 12:25:55 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jt-9oI_wpo2P for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 12:25:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wr0-f180.google.com (mail-wr0-f180.google.com [209.85.128.180]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 812317608F for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 12:25:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wr0-f180.google.com with SMTP id k61so7903996wrc.4 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 04:25:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=niquItnDO5Djt4A85p0GVxI9cu/dpoDfJKtEvQ0rNPE=; b=IB8eSZBRSgeUEiVCeFpTPacwype/F/dIUsYrn6qTRkxiNp0ZTbmZtS3bPNgMnicpwc yU3qHw6bSZvYr6nVfwZnzDm7ryA7Kvj8D9ZDkSpb5+ZwdaNZb7Vp4yFzbnl5w6HA5TSQ cGqc8nYeNiu+Yc4AlSizcqGTDRa8oGO/QLnfMCUI/G44FrB2wpnjGZPHoSwoUhvK0DYx J7ZlomFyqlcIWHuktw86eSS+ysa1vUIp+MAtsRzvTSeJnaVPEYPjIiQ8DHZVf3IOl502 0qwhCYe081fc3g/OuD2n3nGjrhYvTbqR7o6OMIEKrX0pnyD7hNW5mFLmx7MLPuecR3cC YMvw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=niquItnDO5Djt4A85p0GVxI9cu/dpoDfJKtEvQ0rNPE=; b=Ooub9mE+JAxQg+/IrPSZMJPfR8Tc8P/DofmVK0yy7n62G7AtENjTfAjrGoK+K07c1J hYshhn4A6joryZjSTrwr/Rmc+FL06EiEV2M4UWXW/RyxNKZNG6IdQDL+NinK5ngpAsTZ +eOQUO5dA+6dRtSjnoOvfwalb6EkE4tUlv4Hvee//LHDfgE8nw25le8P9pK006tWi+Zp kY/L94Nv4QJz3fwTsZdFOdPsrCeUBnvd9z1ORAl557pU8h1DJaPLudLXWZITuzGUmTm9 r1Trd38ougjIT32ZWLs9anU5JB+wqmgGozt26RFZraOnPBqkcBhH2U9F0A6fiosuOza4 o3PA== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX4DZy7bR73x3Enk2l7/BqdjtnxNEWw4vo8QMHWLHv62e5yofVFM hJOSyLySwDDkNjLZeS6J6uLlPJ0gmp4TwR04yp0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMYePWyBaMCMlAejg1nIUE9r6DB/79y74nAXZ8MiCI9szSANDN6Gxe2wB2MrZtSfrs/INVKKFmZacLq7I+jFgQc= X-Received: by 10.223.129.247 with SMTP id 110mr10893492wra.208.1511180750502; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 04:25:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.184.76 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 04:25:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <3A74ECC47CFD4122BF40E47E1478D6CB@mygateway> References: <3A74ECC47CFD4122BF40E47E1478D6CB@mygateway> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=C3=A1gner?= Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 13:25:49 +0100 Message-ID: To: Christopher-Mark Gilland Cc: orca-list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1148e9fad33e58055e692f31" Subject: Re: [orca-list] Maximizing windows automatically. Is this possible? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 12:25:55 -0000 --001a1148e9fad33e58055e692f31 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hello, This is a question blind orca usually don't need to care for as orca does not require windows to run in a particular state as accessibility information is never communicated via display or video properties. If you have got some sight then I do apologise. I have found out this ask ubuntu quenstion along with the accepted answer and more discussion: https://askubuntu.com/questions/27826/how-to-configure-my-system-so-that-all-windows-start-maximized It's good to know that most of the windows are restored with its original window size. So you should be able to start an app, maximize its window and close the app. If you start the same app again it's start maximized. It's not working like this for all apps though. People in that question linked above recommend installing and running an app called maximus . I haven't tried it as it's not going to be usefull to me. Greetings Peter 2017-11-05 19:46 GMT+01:00 Christopher-Mark Gilland : > I have Ubuntu 17.04 with the Gnome desktop. > > Basically, what I'm wanting to do is, I want it so that any time I launch > an app, regardless what it is, be it GEdit, Gnome-Terminal, whatever, I > want the app to automatically be maximized when I first launch it. This way > I don't have to keep hitting alt+Space, then down arrowing to, and hitting > enter on maximize. I want it to just simply do it for me each time. > > Is there a configuration file or maybe a command, or a setting somewhere > in Gnome, either of the 3, that would let us do this? If so, step by step > directions would be appreciated. > > Chris. > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/ > gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > --001a1148e9fad33e58055e692f31 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,

This is a question bl= ind orca usually don't need to care for as orca does not require window= s to run in a particular state as accessibility information is never commun= icated via display or video properties.
If you have got some sigh= t then I do apologise. I have found out this ask ubuntu quenstion along wit= h the accepted answer and more discussion: https://askubuntu.com/questions/27826/how-to-configure-my-system-so-t= hat-all-windows-start-maximized
It's good to know that mo= st of the windows are restored with its original window size. So you should= be able to start an app, maximize its window and close the app. If you sta= rt the same app again it's start maximized. It's not working like t= his for all apps though.
People in that question linked above rec= ommend installing and running an app called maximus . I haven't tried i= t as it's not going to be usefull to me.


<= /div>
Greetings

Peter


2017-11-05 19:4= 6 GMT+01:00 Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@gmail.com>:
I have Ubuntu 17.04 with the Gnome=20 desktop.
=C2=A0
Basically, what I'm wanting to do = is, I want it so=20 that any time I launch an app, regardless what it is, be it GEdit,=20 Gnome-Terminal, whatever, I want the app to automatically be maximized when= I=20 first launch it. This way I don't have to keep hitting alt+Space, then = down=20 arrowing to, and hitting enter on maximize. I want it to just simply do it = for=20 me each time.
=C2=A0
Is there a configuration file or maybe= a command,=20 or a setting somewhere in Gnome, either of the 3, that would let us do this= ? If=20 so, step by step directions would be appreciated.
=C2=A0
Chris.

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--001a1148e9fad33e58055e692f31-- From jdiggs@igalia.com Mon Nov 20 12:42:31 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8960C763DC for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 12:42:31 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.011 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.011 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hmdNi9-J-EQW for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 12:42:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [91.117.99.155]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C06517608F for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 12:42:29 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:Cc:To:Subject; bh=7iMUhaPTh/M0eZCqej4/E7caPRPZT38Jifr9p0O4Wo8=; b=XJPYTLsC1JDehw9H/6CObCVT8aaQNgGR7BP931C3jE869P/edKYvNrNZotzRKJXdodoY6QMcGYcTRrionr+qaRkT3H37HqAKGaj979I93EE3tYY9uuJcQk4uNILDv0UrxdVIRzx84USouy/9lCdcUVDMXu+VRXFu83gBI9ZT1fpRFpSqarcxJ0DILrLJAls7bSKAG6GvQ1hZW9QXoU0T4AgG+fVNFnUXumMsKmOj9iwLV3gpQiFKUJWbXX3RdxEcxQFavT5eNgR5k1/HTz2akRuCPYuNgu/wWsOqSUGwKH9frG4yN+gt+IOeDeIL7temj6rqoyWZZPtJ5dEWlfQapg==; Received: from c-24-91-94-186.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([24.91.94.186] helo=[192.168.35.111]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1eGlP8-0005oB-8f; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 13:42:26 +0100 To: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=c3=a1gner?= Cc: Orca List References: <4e6cab22-1212-383d-5dc0-33497c44540f@gmail.com> <5e270f99-21c9-e049-32df-518934855817@igalia.com> From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 07:42:14 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca and Firefox 57 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 12:42:31 -0000 I'll take a look. Thanks! --joanie On 11/20/2017 06:07 AM, Peter Vágner wrote: > Hello, > > Finally I have been prompted to keep running nightly version of Firefox > for my day to day browsing so hopefully in the future I might be able to > notice possible accessibility issues sooner than later. > > Both Firefox 57 stable and Firefox 59 nightly are working fine for me > and what I'm describing in this post appear to work the same way in both > these versions although I can't prove it performance improvements on > Firefox are also noticeable when running Firefox 59 with orca. > > The positive news is that infinity scrolling has been changed in a way > that I can just keep pressing arrow keys when navigating with orca > running and Firefox scrolls the parts I am navigating to into view. > I have first noticed this with a riot.im chat app as > its room timeline is designed to scroll infinitelly. I was able to > verify this at other pages e.g. Facebook. Note how Facebook issues > notification saying something loaded more events when you are navigating > by headings in the timeline. > Depending on your situation I would say this is such a dramatic change > that a lot of people would wish to update to Firefox 57! > > However I have so far also noticed one negative change. When using > Firefox built-in find dialog to search for content orca used to present > the match highlighted in the content view when pressing the enter key > inside the find dialog. After upgrading to Firefox 57 this appears to be > very random and most of the times orca is not reporting the search > result as its being highlighted. When pressing esc key to dismiss the > find dialog the line with the last search hit is preselected so I fail > to understand what's going on wrong here. Joanie, please please can you > try looking at it if you can understand this better and possibly suggest > if there is a way to improve this? > > Greetings > > Peter > > > > > 2017-11-09 15:06 GMT+01:00 Joanmarie Diggs >: > > Hi Pavel. > > I hope you don't mind my CCing the Orca list since maybe other people > are wondering the same thing. > > Regarding Firefox 57 and Windows: Linux is not Windows. Unless something > has changed about which I am unaware, Orca should continue to work with > Firefox. I use Orca with Firefox Nightly which is currently in version > 58. Still works for me. I've not had to make any special "new firefox" > modifications to Orca. And again, as far as I am aware, there are no > such modifications for me to make. If you are experiencing something > different, please let me know. > > Thanks! > --joanie > > On 11/09/2017 12:29 AM, Pavel Vlček wrote: > > Dear Joanie, > > > > Firefox 57 is coming on 14th November. Developers changed access to > > assistive technologies and Windows screen reader users must now > disable > > Firefox updates, because it is inaccessible at this time. So my > question > > is, will Orca work with new Firefox 57 and if so, what version of Orca > > will be ready for new Firefox? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Pavel > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > From pvdeejay@gmail.com Mon Nov 20 12:50:42 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 687D4763DC for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 12:50:42 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.739 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.739 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_OBFUSCATE_05_10=0.26, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mvYobT3KbcEX for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 12:50:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f48.google.com (mail-wm0-f48.google.com [74.125.82.48]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DFEF17608F for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 12:50:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-f48.google.com with SMTP id x63so5807754wmf.4 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 04:50:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=PC9NfWRi3oTZGUSwP5O1eXAvnMxGhZnX8HDqU39yDGI=; b=Cv2Sjs4z8ob5/sSIa94NKLd/JkzkicwQba0+taPYSOG0UpQFwOaE68Gyy4J/2mRa3V cJer42Qxs11yiO79nQu1+03WqKCt5BczvkAU6tT/ZXxl2ig1QkhHmunW9Wj8s00KOeyw N6Z6c37AmWOrZ8qQFUOhpCSR6J/kSoSAE7/cJiFJfSSi11JaUcKMX5vtE7oRijUoWQ81 c3rBwCi8S7hsQWD7uLf+4K1+Hi4rQfwUl05Pj2sYZv5qP/lZSUbuuL/VEiHhBHVVn9CO 1Ruj3KFXgHQ7eUzD35+yHSWtG2VG7umGUloVAPGqSyqF0aEzAIBB9GxRQOmYsLm94iss sV3A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=PC9NfWRi3oTZGUSwP5O1eXAvnMxGhZnX8HDqU39yDGI=; b=QxvMt5Z4Wtlm4rGoyztJxdaLs4vQLW7W1wea1jxybLOPVvM0RK3mH3luE326hoOhwy TlzwmcZO3nNuhIflmJQpnOzb8lqm9wVykZ1IPpc5OqEEOyeg7dW3qAavEVJm6FgWfWf1 oSStG0/1N9fjgHnH8zTu0mKW6WSFdIYODrzT+sudx0c1uPiBT+5hRL5VKiAUzM5oSajC Zz0gs97GGHft2MKwuLgxKCcjT9khg2c6ipI+G78Fc8Mue8ESasLmuTY4IGfVjCv3RmOE R9k2DZ9nXPORv7kAyqY+hCy0/SBL2zyXYMHuwxsFUQ5qM4KskFf2DGnjiewYURP7gFaQ OYaA== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX4j/fXy8pIGnH958VAvO42x734dk4RE8TCTVxMPHqjoyMZbrlB4 H3RCZSonip5M7+XmDF05jwGkbe+YZw1pos6CMik= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMYftIYaJDXa+IHDZAhkATtt7keWxOHs3O7UuZ7m3wgdd30mkmjgALLvL8OhORVcKd0GJ+y6DJtTMDLaoQZmHa4= X-Received: by 10.28.54.207 with SMTP id y76mr10928781wmh.94.1511182238016; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 04:50:38 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.184.76 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 04:50:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=C3=A1gner?= Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 13:50:37 +0100 Message-ID: To: Al Sten-Clanton Cc: orca-list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a114316aa7cea9f055e6988f2" Subject: Re: [orca-list] trying to click on Verizon channel links X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 12:50:42 -0000 --001a114316aa7cea9f055e6988f2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hello, This site is very confusing at best. Only to try to help you I have looked up a zip code for newyourk Bronks, entered the zip code there and received a package listings. No mather where I was clicking no channels have been revealed to me. This site appear to be using links which are not focusable so you can't navigate to some of them by pressing tab and shift+tab. You can navigate to them by pressing quick navigation keys k or shift+k. Or you can see list of all links by pressing alt+shift+k . It's analogous for other page element types. Clickables perhaps need an extra bit of explanation. You can hit a for jumping to the next clickable and shift+a for jumping to previous clickable relative to your current position. You can't activate clickable items with enter key or spacebar key, so you have to emulate a mouse click on the item when located via flat review or you can activate a clickable from within list of clickables (alt+shift+a). Note if you are on a clickable via browse mode the easiest way on how to activate it is to inwoke a list of clickables, current clickable should get preselected so you will only navigate to the Activate button. Still I believe this site might have more severe accessibility issues and I am not sure all this is helpfull in this case. Greetings Peter 2017-11-03 17:43 GMT+01:00 Al Sten-Clanton < albert.e.sten_clanton@verizon.net>: > Greetings! > > It looks like my wife and I need to get FIOS from Verizon. The deal we're > considering includes some measure of customizing the TV channels > available. I'll paste the link below. (If you try it, you might need to > put in a zip code, or you might get mine.) I can get a list of channels for > one or more of the selections, but I can't get to any descriptions of > them. I did get to brief descriptions on our Windows computer, but that's > in use now and I'd like to use Debian and Orca to do this if I can. > > Here's the link: > > http://www.verizon.com/home/widget/ChannelLineUpWidgetServle > t?&txid=R20171101_5430853110 > > I've tried several keystrokes after using g or a to get to the the > "clickable" items, and I looked through Orca's key bindings list. Is there > a way to do this? > > Thanks! > > Al > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/g > nome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > --001a114316aa7cea9f055e6988f2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,

This site is very con= fusing at best. Only to try to help you I have looked up a zip code for new= yourk Bronks, entered the zip code there and received a package listings. N= o mather where I was clicking no channels have been revealed to me.
This site appear to be using links which are not focusable so you can= 9;t navigate to some of them by pressing tab and shift+tab. You can navigat= e to them by pressing quick navigation keys k or shift+k. Or you can see li= st of all links by pressing alt+shift+k . It's analogous for other page= element types. Clickables perhaps need an extra bit of explanation. You ca= n hit a for jumping to the next clickable and shift+a for jumping to previo= us clickable relative to your current position. You can't activate clic= kable items with enter key or spacebar key, so you have to emulate a mouse = click on the item when located via flat review or you can activate a clicka= ble from within list of clickables (alt+shift+a). Note if you are on a clic= kable via browse mode the easiest way on how to activate it is to inwoke a = list of clickables, current clickable should get preselected so you will on= ly navigate to the Activate button.
Still I believe this site mig= ht have more severe accessibility issues and I am not sure all this is help= full in this case.


Greetings
<= div>
Peter

2017-11-03 17:43 GMT+01:00 Al Sten-Clanton <albert.e.sten_clanton@verizon.net>:
Greetings!

It looks like my wife and I need to get FIOS from Verizon.=C2=A0 The deal w= e're considering includes some measure of customizing the TV channels a= vailable.=C2=A0 I'll paste the link below.=C2=A0 (If you try it, you mi= ght need to put in a zip code, or you might get mine.) I can get a list of = channels for one or more of the selections, but I can't get to any desc= riptions of them.=C2=A0 I did get to brief descriptions on our Windows comp= uter, but that's in use now and I'd like to use Debian and Orca to = do this if I can.

Here's the link:

http:/= /www.verizon.com/home/widget/ChannelLineUpWidgetServlet?&txid= =3DR20171101_5430853110

I've tried several keystrokes after using g or a to get to the the &quo= t;clickable" items, and I looked through Orca's key bindings list.= =C2=A0 Is there a way to do this?

Thanks!

Al
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--001a114316aa7cea9f055e6988f2-- From alexarnaud@hypra.fr Mon Nov 20 13:35:15 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C608760B8 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 13:35:15 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.012 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.012 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Yz1SZ4a3m0sB for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 13:35:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra.fr (hypra.fr [62.210.38.35]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3FA7A7608F for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 13:35:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.10.190.4] (unknown [89.227.222.139]) by hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 493A0580F5E; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 14:35:10 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hypra.fr; s=mail; t=1511184910; bh=SXPkcoWokX/n8Cm+FgUfeT1BkyzdWPkk3lrnvcnGjic=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=fnY0zyhb4jiWv2ncc9Tl509gmQF/nvrEe1m9F7TG81wjNQ8LFYnSctyBBiHCPkL4X URmjiGmZisz6T+5jQpmj9qUNZpSSKhPZtszcI+PAdIchhHJQMe4pWv2+j+LCHnOuOw d/1jjZPzPQbBjN/Tk8evnTp0sPf9qT9k35K5/Wuk= To: Joanmarie Diggs , =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=c3=a1gner?= Cc: Orca List , Samuel Thibault References: <4e6cab22-1212-383d-5dc0-33497c44540f@gmail.com> <5e270f99-21c9-e049-32df-518934855817@igalia.com> From: Alex ARNAUD Organization: Hypra Message-ID: <71e6a32e-65c5-0720-49ac-9c9c53153ab8@hypra.fr> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 14:35:07 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca and Firefox 57 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 13:35:15 -0000 Le 20/11/2017 à 13:42, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit : > The positive news is that infinity scrolling has been changed in a way > that I can just keep pressing arrow keys when navigating with orca > running and Firefox scrolls the parts I am navigating to into view. I'm happy to discover that fix made by Samuel Thibault for Hypra helps the community :) ! It's the bug 1170242 : https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1170242 Best regards. -- Alex ARNAUD Visual-Impairment Project Manager Hypra - "Humanizing technology" From pvdeejay@gmail.com Mon Nov 20 13:35:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F49D7608F for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 13:35:27 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5RgngQ2WG-F2 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 13:35:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wr0-f176.google.com (mail-wr0-f176.google.com [209.85.128.176]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CEE6976BB4 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 13:35:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wr0-f176.google.com with SMTP id z75so6752807wrc.5 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 05:35:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=TJHEswobeyzW46idTDcaYA9MMFXZkKNTNRtPhvKl7X4=; b=D7BQIchmAf7ooguYiNit3dqULkrNVDx0Km4gpZbFMXVbh+661UMhgPgBy0KDYN14HW 15zb0BiaA1T8P+iLgmf38OCYp6edDguxqoCmjI2xCMpx4wmcF5C1Xl35ghaEXZOXUxNc gZNiviFkxRNRVl1UAiMOriL5DbzEtaK5ZrROpkI6Vs4hL0gpLSyQdc2jje9yR5gItJ4k sdKg9g9b8tYVklNEgPJkRg/M2vPAUlW4rdNuBVoJvlGhbihBPqNoY5scu2nKRu2RH5WZ zul43rg6d02pZXxFIKs1e+oXachKpNnZ0N3hQ/bdz1MoRB0vTPFfs3mnodXlT40hQmPO d3jA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=TJHEswobeyzW46idTDcaYA9MMFXZkKNTNRtPhvKl7X4=; b=TYedCL1pjX41h7kS3IptXCIgiqO/Wlh8je1s9sSbwa2qYQcZZaXmtCWuyvHFZgIoy1 lPxmbiQBzNPJwzqvtbXByZrvNyd8hAZpAPHcNbp89hSIcJS2FYF6rirnqOGErjs/9hFB d7i8KSsBXJLwxOecNQMUX0z7mprji+L/3ONMRRfh08zvA5b2BqSHPsbAst+5Q5YfDGG8 /w1JlACxPNqxkqe9goca9pNIuEgHkP1cXh0hoMh6aWFXwsOCp7SdpQRVKPVTak6b1eKe +TaYW9ur4cvnmAKsMXx7A2ghqiCfJyPzvyxHZjT3bV45nljSM+AvSOEz7GzDTmwS5bIi inZg== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX5En+4a/iGruZQQMe/QIQ4Vf7D5L3EGSaPmqJNa4Z/3mLO0n8i4 f3Y4o6RV+gu7c3BYK2/1AnTq6M84WcA8/RqK5aoJ0w== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMZMGjzH2hACfbAFX9HY2BzGWUwnAZKx91POfmNAkHSLFHrBb2MhjO/sR6U/XxuGElHAFQM6k7i6RooSOahYDF4= X-Received: by 10.223.134.75 with SMTP id 11mr11983481wrw.37.1511184922739; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 05:35:22 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.184.76 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 05:35:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=C3=A1gner?= Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 14:35:22 +0100 Message-ID: To: Paulina Gajoch , orca-list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1149235c828a52055e6a2806" Subject: Re: [orca-list] Sound icons in Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 13:35:27 -0000 --001a1149235c828a52055e6a2806 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, The original concept was that speech-dispatcher would replace parts of the text it has been instructed to synthesize to sound rather than speech. There is a set of sound icons with predefined constants such as new line, prompt and a lot more. If this approach should be used then orca have to be adapted to use it the similar way as speechd-el does. Given the fact orca is dependent on other packages for reporting roles and their states and the fact orca is being translated into various languages I am not sure hooking sound icons at such a level is a good idea. Someone who knows more about these things should perhaps try to explain how usefull this would be and what shal be done in order to make it work or even whether this is the way to go. Greetings Peter 2017-11-20 14:25 GMT+01:00 Paulina Gajoch : > Hello, > > It is a package, witch name is: sound-icons > > This package is for speech dispatcher, for synthesizers, not for Orca. > > But I have it, and sounds are not played. > > I have no idea, how to run this function. Configuration of sound-icons yo= u > can find in: /usr/share/speech-dispatcher/modules/espeak.conf and > espeak-ng.conf > > Greetings, > > Paulina > > W dniu 20.11.2017 o 11:24, Peter V=C3=A1gner pisze: > > Hello, > > Currently orca is doing almost no audio except of progressbar beeps. In > order to this to be usefull and robust enough I think orca needs somethin= g > similar that's currently being happening at NVDA for Windows. > See here for an awesome pull request to NVDA for some inspiration: > https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/pull/7599 > > Greetings > > Peter > > > 2017-11-14 12:16 GMT+01:00 Vojt=C4=9Bch =C5=A1miro : > >> Hello. >> >> Is some way to make sound icons in Orca? I would like to have this. Orca >> will not say buttons, links, checkboxes, but it wil play sound. Is it >> possible? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Best regards >> >> Vojta. >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/g >> nome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing listorca-list@gnome.orghttps://mail.gnome.org/mailman/l= istinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/sta= ble/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > > --001a1149235c828a52055e6a2806 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,

The original concept = was that speech-dispatcher would replace parts of the text it has been inst= ructed to synthesize to sound rather than speech. There is a set of sound i= cons with predefined constants such as new line, prompt and a lot more.
If this approach should be used then orca have to be adapted to use = it the similar way as speechd-el does.

Given the f= act orca is dependent on other packages for reporting roles and their state= s and the fact orca is being translated into various languages I am not sur= e hooking sound icons at such a level is a good idea.
Someone who= knows more about these things should perhaps try to explain how usefull th= is would be and what shal be done in order to make it work or even whether = this is the way to go.


Greetings

Peter


2017-11-20 14:25 GMT+01:00 Paulina Ga= joch <paulinagajoch@gmail.com>:
=20 =20 =20

Hello,

It is a package, witch name is: sound-icons

This package is for speech dispatcher, for synthesizers, not for Orca.

But I have it, and sounds are not played.

I have no idea, how to run this function. Configuration of sound-icons you can find in: /usr/share/speech-dispatcher/modules/espeak.conf and espeak-ng.conf

Greetings,

Paulina


W dniu 20.11.2017 o= =C2=A011:24, Peter V=C3=A1gner pisze:
Hello,

Currently orca is doing almost no audio except of progressbar beeps. In order to this to be usefull and robust enough I think orca needs something similar that's currently being happening at NVDA for Windows.
See here for an awesome pull request to NVDA for some inspiration: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/pull/7599

Greetings

Peter


2017-11-14 12:16 GMT+01:00 Vojt=C4=9Bch =C5=A1miro <vsmiro@seznam.cz>:
Hello.

Is some way to make sound icons in Orca? I would like to have this. Orca will not say buttons, links, checkboxes, but it wil play sound. Is it possible?

Thanks.

Best regards

Vojta.
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Hello,

Thanks Alex for menti= oning this and huge huge thanks Samuel for making it happen.
This= is what's so amazing about open-source software and the community effo= rts.
Yeah, what an amazing feeling!

Gree= tings

Peter


2017-11-20 14:35 GMT+01:00 = Alex ARNAUD <alexarnaud@hypra.fr>:
Le 20/11/2017 =C3=A0 13:42, Joanmarie Diggs a = =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
The positive news is that infinity scrolling has been changed in a way
that I can just keep pressing arrow keys when navigating with orca
running and Firefox scrolls the parts I am navigating to into view.

 I'm happy to discover that fix made by Samuel Thibault for Hypra helps = the community :) !
It's the bug 1170242 : https://bugzilla.mo= zilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D1170242

Best regards.
--
Alex ARNAUD
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--001a1148f4ba30aa68055e6a46e6-- From didier@slint.fr Mon Nov 20 14:13:57 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7F007621A for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 14:13:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z6rxsfB20_Xl for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 14:13:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pause.jabatus.fr (mail.pause.jabatus.fr [109.234.163.75]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 65D21760B8 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 14:13:54 +0000 (UTC) X-MailPropre-MailScanner-From: didier@slint.fr X-MailPropre-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (cached, score=0.101, required 5, autolearn=disabled, DKIM_SIGNED 0.10, URIBL_BLOCKED 0.00) X-MailPropre-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailPropre-MailScanner-ID: 7F23C7EA9126B.A6B2F X-MailPropre-MailScanner-Information: Message sortant - Serveurs o2switch DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=slint.fr; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date: Message-ID:Cc:Subject:From:To:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description: Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID: In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=W7wLST7NrjmzGehG6L9DlS/zBBU/Q5QDYu82pGvi1Sc=; b=O+R4C+jOyFNitgGifCYaNW47Ya CoU59AmfyEOvT1zVoXMEfReGCfktIfIU2l+ajwZdtaP4dSVEPorJBkrm3SUksDVoke7fo9Ka8TPkZ H8SUNxl46VZefGDI3kxHV1jLcQW/8Tl5t9dleJRAjFuFCxFQT5VOgFfcf62xC6e+wMD4=; To: orca-list From: Didier Spaier Cc: Aiyumi , =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=c3=a1gner?= , Jude DaShiell Message-ID: <0f898a1f-d579-5b2f-0466-6bfaf36ab287@slint.fr> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 15:13:49 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - fox.o2switch.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - slint.fr X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: fox.o2switch.net: authenticated_id: didier@slint.fr X-Authenticated-Sender: fox.o2switch.net: didier@slint.fr X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: [orca-list] Testers of Slint64-14.2RC2 reporting no sound in graphical environment X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 14:13:57 -0000 Hello, I received two reports that puzzle me of testers of Slint64-14.2.1RC2: http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-testing/iso/ One is in this post: https://forum.salixos.org/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=7462#p43392 cut here Further, there was no /dev/audio during past boots. So my program "saytime" would not work. I copied /dev/audio over from Slint-32 and saytime is working and /dev/audio survives a reboot sofar. This user actually installed RC then upgraded using these instructions: http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-testing/upgrade/README-UPGRADE and maybe alos those: http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-testing/upgrade/from-rc-to-rc2 This is a sighted user so I am just puzzled how that could happen. The second report worries me more, as the tester, Aiyumi in CC, is blind and skilled: she actually got me started making Slint accessible with this blog post: http://aiyumi.warpstar.net/en/blog/installing-orca-on-slackware-14.2/ She installed anew from this ISO: http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-testing/iso/slint64-14.2.1RC2.iso Starting the system after installation in text mode she got sound from speakup, but no sound in graphical environment after having typed startx. I tried the same thing an got sound from orca. I am now thinking that the issue could be related to pulseaudio and or alsa rather than to the a11y stack itself, as we start pulseaudio system wide but without any specific setting that maybe we miss. The daemon is started like this as shown in /etc/rc.d/rc.pulseaudio: /usr/bin/pulseaudio --system --disallow-module-loading 1> /dev/null 2> /dev/null & Any hint or clue to investigate this issue is appreciated. I am forwarding Aiyumi's last post below. Greetings, Didier Forwarded message begins here Sujet : Re: Slint 14.2.1rc2, last call for testing. Date : Sun, 19 Nov 2017 21:27:58 -0200 De : Aiyumi Moriya Pour : Didier Spaier 2017-11-19 19:34 GMT-02:00, Didier Spaier > I just installed anew RC2 from this file: > http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-testing/iso/slint64-14.2.1RC2.iso Yes, that's the one I installed. > When asked I pressed S to have speech during installation, that I did in > French. When asked I chose to start in Console mode. > > At first reboot I had speech on the console, and after startx I had > speech on the desktop. After reboot I had speech on the console, but after "startx" I had no speech on the desktop. I created a new user, then did "orca-on" then "startx," but nothing. I didn't try runlevelconfig or anything else. > So, I really don't know from where come your issue. Did you reformat the > root partition when installing, setting up a new filesystem in it? Yes, I reformated the root partition. The home partition is shared with another Slackware install, but that's why I created a new user (to start with a fresh user with no interference from the files from the other system's user). But it didn't work. I also tried unmounting the home partition and creating a new user in the root partition, but it didn't work, either. Here are the checks from the previous message: 2017-11-19 12:18 GMT-02:00, Didier Spaier : > A few things to check, even though you probably already did: > - is the user member of the audio group? Yes. And pulse group too. > - are the Atspi, and Orca owned by the user? Yes. > - is /etc/rc.d/rc.pulseaudio executable? Yes. > - aren't there stale file lying around, that should have been > removed? For instance: > /etc/xdg/autostart.desktop > /usr/share/autostart/startorca.desktop > /usr/share/autostart/orca.snip? No. It's a clean install. I formated the root partition before installing. > - does ~/.profile only contains > cut here > export PAGER=/usr/bin/most > export GROFF_ENCODING=UTF-8 > export XDG_CACHE_HOME=/dev/shm/$(whoami) > mkdir -p /dev/shm/$(whoami) > chmod 700 /dev/shm/$(whoami) > export XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=$XDG_CACHE_HOME > cut here Yes. > - do you have a file ~/auto/startorca.desktop with this content: > cut here > [Desktop Entry] > Type=Application > Version=1.0 > Name=orca > Exec=/usr/bin/orca > Hidden=false > cut here Yes. > - if you made any upgrade using slapt-get --upgrade, did you > run "dotnew" as root after that? I only installed Slint and didn't upgrade anything. From pvdeejay@gmail.com Mon Nov 20 14:44:07 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE5D76AF3 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 14:44:07 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TiyBO1mt4LLL for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 14:44:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f45.google.com (mail-wm0-f45.google.com [74.125.82.45]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A07D076249 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 14:44:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-f45.google.com with SMTP id r68so19432571wmr.3 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 06:44:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=vydHA0ieNC9wONSY8F3VTU5Ho1IaCqjqGb4JpMaVILg=; b=SSuSuzog1MwVS7S0EAnjFMOaRd9+cZzgV7O6OnE0M5inudXCKO6JNrpHBHYzQbwHwU bAC3ZmJWHsnyH2VDKxwtsu3iY9UsiR4lMTd+3pLlCCvFYx0ur8Vmn3k1Dnrzba5xYgsm SEko/80zFc5HH4V142bxit1Dh49Xw70T9DrBKPoqZp3akI02g6BWLyBGADyQBBemj78w ZzLlpP1F99mv4TL9Fmw2jSr8oO1AUUOTFr55kyKy2WbhAtniAsxihytsoiyjPnsFfpnn Ni/gWJjOIaTMutGE1BqsNdh/fiKYdJ3uusshfe4d1kEJNCrYhwB5Ofm1NlLSnW1D7w1f 1rTA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=vydHA0ieNC9wONSY8F3VTU5Ho1IaCqjqGb4JpMaVILg=; b=sgyOcZToyMonfJ3E1a64pZNN6szVTw1VRZENaZmmkSYzEIzXA4PFzVCFUZo7yvt/Ll CCr3hWpboE4ooxZVptgtzbAREkaaM1z/tR/jyOlezILPhIF4O88qY6S9NX9lOaD/Z4yD CWqbhc/q+6zoSv3BEJTh89ZMgR2W6lWkqetk55+1JP7GshaBtqzzx4HZApugNeshYNIz zeg2Ppcs6MuYYv3LAv6WaW1/PYPZygHP8/2vSuyTOQVR6wiH1XMVSSYAY9hJuG0pirwr UB1yZmRHhg1h+JwOXwLZNgfzgci+TK6e7/9qzCHKuXFJWQMacjF8s+ivJcjTiUekfHK5 0NFw== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX5UnK1yKWnRtBMPJEU8liWtUYDoACu3G7AEbN3i6eGmiF3Hwt0e l7v9V/etW7OotNgabxcfNuS1DoFexlBIZNO4qSY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMa/uV2oUuu+EWiQ9ZtWO2yAgGJcmbmlyfONPo75hnXifthGEmwTkv98blF2z5CfWEdcUzCWoeNU1kz1DpyLeXo= X-Received: by 10.28.174.78 with SMTP id x75mr11740829wme.27.1511189042814; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 06:44:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.184.76 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 06:44:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <0f898a1f-d579-5b2f-0466-6bfaf36ab287@slint.fr> References: <0f898a1f-d579-5b2f-0466-6bfaf36ab287@slint.fr> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=C3=A1gner?= Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 15:44:02 +0100 Message-ID: To: Didier Spaier Cc: orca-list , Aiyumi , Jude DaShiell Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a11443fe015e4be055e6b1e38" Subject: Re: [orca-list] Testers of Slint64-14.2RC2 reporting no sound in graphical environment X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 14:44:07 -0000 --001a11443fe015e4be055e6b1e38 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hello, What an ancient app the first tester is running it expects to have /dev/audio device available. I feel this is an oss legacy stuff which is being emulated by alsa as /dev/dsp . Perhaps your tester has just copied a symlink from his other system as a workaround. I would say this might just be a configuration issue and not a bug. As for the other more serious issue I don't know. I haven't yet made up my mind. I have only downloaded RC2 about two hours ago and I am about to install it tonight trying out the install, trying out speechd-el and other stuff we have been talking about recently. Thanks and Greetings Peter 2017-11-20 15:13 GMT+01:00 Didier Spaier : > Hello, > > I received two reports that puzzle me of testers of Slint64-14.2.1RC2: > http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-testing/iso/ > One is in this post: > https://forum.salixos.org/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=7462#p43392 > cut here > Further, there was no /dev/audio during past boots. > So my program "saytime" would not work. > I copied /dev/audio over from Slint-32 and saytime is working and > /dev/audio survives a reboot sofar. > > This user actually installed RC then upgraded using these instructions: > http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-testing/upgrade/README-UPGRADE > and maybe alos those: > http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-testing/upgrade/from-rc-to-rc2 > > This is a sighted user so I am just puzzled how that could happen. > > The second report worries me more, as the tester, Aiyumi in CC, is blind > and skilled: she actually got me started making Slint accessible with > this blog post: > http://aiyumi.warpstar.net/en/blog/installing-orca-on-slackware-14.2/ > > She installed anew from this ISO: > http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-testing/iso/slint64-14.2.1RC2.iso > Starting the system after installation in text mode she got sound from > speakup, but no sound in graphical environment after having typed > startx. > > I tried the same thing an got sound from orca. > > I am now thinking that the issue could be related to pulseaudio and or > alsa rather than to the a11y stack itself, as we start pulseaudio system > wide but without any specific setting that maybe we miss. The daemon is > started like this as shown in /etc/rc.d/rc.pulseaudio: > /usr/bin/pulseaudio --system --disallow-module-loading 1> /dev/null 2> > /dev/null & > > Any hint or clue to investigate this issue is appreciated. I am > forwarding Aiyumi's last post below. > > Greetings, > > Didier > > Forwarded message begins here > Sujet : Re: Slint 14.2.1rc2, last call for testing. > Date : Sun, 19 Nov 2017 21:27:58 -0200 > De : Aiyumi Moriya > Pour : Didier Spaier > > 2017-11-19 19:34 GMT-02:00, Didier Spaier > > I just installed anew RC2 from this file: > > http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-testing/iso/slint64-14.2.1RC2.iso > > Yes, that's the one I installed. > > > When asked I pressed S to have speech during installation, that I did in > > French. When asked I chose to start in Console mode. > > > > At first reboot I had speech on the console, and after startx I had > > speech on the desktop. > > After reboot I had speech on the console, but after "startx" I had no > speech on the desktop. I created a new user, then did "orca-on" then > "startx," but nothing. I didn't try runlevelconfig or anything else. > > > So, I really don't know from where come your issue. Did you reformat the > > root partition when installing, setting up a new filesystem in it? > > Yes, I reformated the root partition. The home partition is shared > with another Slackware install, but that's why I created a new user > (to start with a fresh user with no interference from the files from > the other system's user). But it didn't work. I also tried unmounting > the home partition and creating a new user in the root partition, but > it didn't work, either. > > Here are the checks from the previous message: > > 2017-11-19 12:18 GMT-02:00, Didier Spaier : > > A few things to check, even though you probably already did: > > - is the user member of the audio group? > > Yes. And pulse group too. > > > - are the Atspi, and Orca owned by the user? > > Yes. > > > - is /etc/rc.d/rc.pulseaudio executable? > > Yes. > > > - aren't there stale file lying around, that should have been > > removed? For instance: > > /etc/xdg/autostart.desktop > > /usr/share/autostart/startorca.desktop > > /usr/share/autostart/orca.snip? > > No. It's a clean install. I formated the root partition before installing. > > > - does ~/.profile only contains > > cut here > > export PAGER=/usr/bin/most > > export GROFF_ENCODING=UTF-8 > > export XDG_CACHE_HOME=/dev/shm/$(whoami) > > mkdir -p /dev/shm/$(whoami) > > chmod 700 /dev/shm/$(whoami) > > export XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=$XDG_CACHE_HOME > > cut here > > Yes. > > > - do you have a file ~/auto/startorca.desktop with this content: > > cut here > > [Desktop Entry] > > Type=Application > > Version=1.0 > > Name=orca > > Exec=/usr/bin/orca > > Hidden=false > > cut here > > Yes. > > > - if you made any upgrade using slapt-get --upgrade, did you > > run "dotnew" as root after that? > > I only installed Slint and didn't upgrade anything. > > --001a11443fe015e4be055e6b1e38 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,

What an ancient app t= he first tester is running it expects to have /dev/audio device available. = I feel this is an oss legacy stuff which is being emulated by alsa as /dev/= dsp . Perhaps your tester has just copied a symlink from his other system a= s a workaround. I would say this might just be a configuration issue and no= t a bug.

As for the other more serious issue I don= 't know. I haven't yet made up my mind. I have only downloaded RC2 = about two hours ago and I am about to install it tonight trying out the ins= tall, trying out speechd-el and other stuff we have been talking about rece= ntly.


Thanks and Greetings

Peter

2017-11-20 15:13 GMT+01:00 Didier Spaier <didier@slint.= fr>:
Hello,

I received two reports that puzzle me of testers of Slint64-14.2.1RC2:
http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-testi= ng/iso/
One is in this post:
https://forum.salixos.org/vie= wtopic.php?f=3D44&t=3D7462#p43392
cut here
Further, there was no /dev/audio during past boots.
So my program "saytime" would not work.
I copied /dev/audio over from Slint-32 and saytime is working and
/dev/audio survives a reboot sofar.

This user actually installed RC then upgraded using these instructions:
http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_<= wbr>64/slint-testing/upgrade/README-UPGRADE
and maybe alos those:
http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_<= wbr>64/slint-testing/upgrade/from-rc-to-rc2

This is a sighted user so I am just puzzled how that could happen.

The second report worries me more, as the tester, Aiyumi in CC, is blind and skilled: she actually got me started making Slint accessible with
this blog post:
http://aiyumi.warpstar.net/en/<= wbr>blog/installing-orca-on-slackware-14.2/

She installed anew from this ISO:
http://slackware.uk/slint/x8= 6_64/slint-testing/iso/slint64-14.2.1RC2.iso
Starting the system after installation in text mode she got sound from
speakup, but no sound in graphical environment after having typed
startx.

I tried the same thing an got sound from orca.

I am now thinking that the issue could be related to pulseaudio and or
alsa rather than to the a11y stack itself, as we start pulseaudio system wide but without any specific setting that maybe we miss. The daemon is
started like this as shown in /etc/rc.d/rc.pulseaudio:
/usr/bin/pulseaudio --system --disallow-module-loading 1> /dev/null 2>= ; /dev/null &

Any hint or clue to investigate this issue is appreciated. I am
forwarding Aiyumi's last post below.

Greetings,

Didier

Forwarded message=C2=A0 begins here
Sujet : Re: Slint 14.2.1rc2, last call for testing.
Date : Sun, 19 Nov 2017 21:27:58 -0200
De : Aiyumi Moriya
Pour : Didier Spaier

2017-11-19 19:34 GMT-02:00, Didier Spaier
> I just installed anew RC2 from this file:
> http://slackware.uk/sli= nt/x86_64/slint-testing/iso/slint64-14.2.1RC2.iso

Yes, that's the one I installed.

> When asked I pressed S to have speech during installation, that I did = in
> French. When asked I chose to start in Console mode.
>
> At first reboot I had speech on the console, and after startx I had > speech on the desktop.

After reboot I had speech on the console, but after "startx" I ha= d no
speech on the desktop. I created a new user, then did "orca-on" t= hen
"startx," but nothing. I didn't try runlevelconfig or anythin= g else.

> So, I really don't know from where come your issue. Did you reform= at the
> root partition when installing, setting up a new filesystem=C2=A0 in i= t?

Yes, I reformated the root partition. The home partition is shared
with another Slackware install, but that's why I created a new user
(to start with a fresh user with no interference from the files from
the other system's user). But it didn't work. I also tried unmounti= ng
the home partition and creating a new user in the root partition, but
it didn't work, either.

Here are the checks from the previous message:

2017-11-19 12:18 GMT-02:00, Didier Spaier <didier@slint.fr>:
> A few things to check, even though you probably already did:
> - is the user member of the audio group?

Yes. And pulse group too.

> - are the Atspi, and Orca owned by the user?

Yes.

> - is /etc/rc.d/rc.pulseaudio executable?

Yes.

> - aren't there stale file lying around, that should have been
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0removed? For instance:
>=C2=A0 /etc/xdg/autostart.desktop
>=C2=A0 /usr/share/autostart/startorca.desktop
>=C2=A0 /usr/share/autostart/orca.snip?

No. It's a clean install. I formated the root partition before installi= ng.

> - does ~/.profile only contains
> cut here
> export PAGER=3D/usr/bin/most
> export GROFF_ENCODING=3DUTF-8
> export XDG_CACHE_HOME=3D/dev/shm/$(whoami)
> mkdir -p /dev/shm/$(whoami)
> chmod 700 /dev/shm/$(whoami)
> export XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=3D$XDG_CACHE_HOME
> cut here

Yes.

> - do you have a file ~/auto/startorca.desktop with this content:
> cut here
> [Desktop Entry]
> Type=3DApplication
> Version=3D1.0
> Name=3Dorca
> Exec=3D/usr/bin/orca
> Hidden=3Dfalse
> cut here

Yes.

> - if you made any upgrade using slapt-get --upgrade, did you
> run "dotnew" as root after that?

I only installed Slint and didn't upgrade anything.


--001a11443fe015e4be055e6b1e38-- From pvdeejay@gmail.com Mon Nov 20 15:27:20 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC7F576249 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 15:27:20 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rpkCYPYQnsre for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 15:27:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f50.google.com (mail-wm0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3DBC77621A for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 15:27:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-f50.google.com with SMTP id y82so6792657wmg.1 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 07:27:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=I478vpxbW8Vm/VtVvNtUiOhaMbPg7kcjpjFC3BQoFSU=; b=eJLFksS0oyw4flJu7hQo+QcRoAbAdR6uAXJgZ1yGwjD+U9T874jfMe88NsV0FSsLwQ Yz9pBVxkzYXUhnM0i89GONWewMbrL1m+b15V+B3cXinj5Kk1WEl2fzfhYkmIfZ33Djj5 e36tfOsdt9g4y2gZEHdb6Orso87IkAEh7fs2gVi4OvE3bLX7hMz+VtBDElPzHaokeCyK 6nJ7vzQ2EG/7TuPLnBSni2MUu6om/Ld3s3Q1XmNiEH3rcZmLLcIXS8a6mWBUI0dMahe8 t+yUizLL8lhtWS+o35330JNSrmqm+ogxxMYH2YMxEKxd0CYkQ2IslG1XVrMY1mlOithq TtcA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=I478vpxbW8Vm/VtVvNtUiOhaMbPg7kcjpjFC3BQoFSU=; b=JO5B9sQTbga1kxvRTxwm6eZ1JY/8mn4O5dgNiHMcDxO5YZ/KDXMpzBBKZwSTMX4D9Z C13HZ428GD1qZbbyf2xwCyv34Pqu02P5eKl9zIQutlQkT3P+VmcbCnrk9nOLObTOpqSk wjgBFo1BHAAFwQfEpQtCn3GVN7Bj3J0n44e+LCUCnrwWqnlfW0D0DSabgOKR3MH87QJy J437aGNd5nyrSpaGK7K5Gl+hVN8/tshnHi66JxK3cqVuHCt7DL1GEtawXH2kCVMS1KtM bu0UlrCY0bpRNntc5smd7Xq1Pka8BzwlO66o2gLgpvEMYEtLMLrmBUqTFYzI8jkYG/XH 17Vg== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX4xdY2mppJ650SnwHAmK7Srakfl90sPXbujMRuAHQug+ASPGWoz /B4sKuh5tXP+5FpTgnmn0VJJ4BLFSJIDyCiXZ9A= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMZFwtnGUFeLWl60pp6OMRbz251rioyLL3lVgRhblSclTb5FFNCyiAjX7gI2aJc3baJeZkUNK3YWT2Gw3ey0Q+M= X-Received: by 10.28.174.78 with SMTP id x75mr11855753wme.27.1511191636109; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 07:27:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.184.76 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 07:27:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <0ffcc0a8-82ac-5c89-491c-8780db7e9ca8@slint.fr> References: <99e08a48-8117-eca3-32de-6ced2a12a746@slint.fr> <0ffcc0a8-82ac-5c89-491c-8780db7e9ca8@slint.fr> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=C3=A1gner?= Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 16:27:15 +0100 Message-ID: To: Didier Spaier Cc: carrefourblinux@lists.tuxfamily.org, orca-list , blinux-list@redhat.com, slint@slint.fr, Dimitris Tzemos , Aiyumi , Philippe DELAVALADE , George Vlahavas Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a11443fe0a8707a055e6bb84c" Subject: Re: [orca-list] [CBLX] Slint 14.2.1rc2, last call for testing. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 15:27:20 -0000 --001a11443fe0a8707a055e6bb84c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I have just found out yetanother installer veirdness. Installer is designed in a way so steps should be executed in almost the same order like the menu items are ordered on the initial screen. Keyboard layout, partitioning, relaunching the setup, setting target device including fstab, source media selection and finally the actual install. I have just found when you execute source media selection before target device selection the installer will force the source media selection step eventhough it has already been passed. Subsequent executions of source media selection will fail thus it is necessery to exit the setup and start it again. I know it sounds as if I was too picky however frankly I don't care that much, I just wish to make sure it's known eventhough this is a minor cosmetic issue. Greetings Peter 2017-11-11 20:21 GMT+01:00 Didier Spaier : > Le 11/11/2017 =C3=A0 14:07, Didier Spaier a =C3=A9crit : > > Slint 14.2.1rc2, last call for testing. > > > > Last call means "all bug reports and comments posted before Monday 18 > > November 2017 will be looked at before the official release." > Please read instead: > "before Monday 20 November 2017" > > Didier > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/ > gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > --001a11443fe0a8707a055e6bb84c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,

I have just found out= yetanother installer veirdness.
Installer is designed in a way s= o steps should be executed in almost the same order like the menu items are= ordered on the initial screen.
Keyboard layout, partitioning, re= launching the setup, setting target device including fstab, source media se= lection and finally the actual install.
I have just found when yo= u execute source media selection before target device selection the install= er will force the source media selection step eventhough it has already bee= n passed. Subsequent executions of source media selection will fail thus it= is necessery to exit the setup and start it again.

I know it sounds as if I was too picky however frankly I don't care t= hat much, I just wish to make sure it's known eventhough this is a mino= r cosmetic issue.


Greetings

Peter


2017-11-11 20:21 GMT+01:00 Didier Spaier <= span dir=3D"ltr"><d= idier@slint.fr>:
Le 11/11/2017 =C3=A0 14:07, Didier Spaier a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
> Slint 14.2.1rc2, last call for testing.
>
> Last call means "all bug reports and comments posted before Monda= y 18
> November 2017 will be looked at before the official release."
Please read instead:
"before Monday 20 November 2017"

Didier
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https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-l= ist
Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/= stable/
GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.g= nome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
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--001a11443fe0a8707a055e6bb84c-- From jpmengual@hypra.fr Mon Nov 20 16:29:37 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 445B57621A for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 16:29:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, LOTS_OF_MONEY=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_REMOTE_IMAGE=0.01, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id frpqMTBiVBok for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 16:29:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra.fr (hypra.fr [62.210.38.35]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 79E87760B8 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 16:29:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.10.190.62] (unknown [89.227.222.139]) by hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E8305580F5E for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 17:29:31 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hypra.fr; s=mail; t=1511195371; bh=EU+jHENcp2a/YkYV7sn8Xt3aXjZ1Bf7bMBVPVCVZ1lA=; h=From:Subject:To:Date:From; b=eAPyEb/nidd9aWmwKU1w+0ktRNyPAVUoKNiM5cAzKnKKKvdNJtZoS2kQRMrGkJcOl YEqdi9kBr8SWXUjbHTlAKua2s2fti/WebXY821VWuoHN9qcOccv38SY1KiVOAOvoyL 6ksWmy6glEFMdFT2/ludcC75ll6CIty90klWQwrI= From: Jean-Philippe MENGUAL Organization: Hypra To: orca Message-ID: <14867b74-68fb-5b64-8e87-660edfda2e28@hypra.fr> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 17:29:31 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------D043C2AFD10C042E7296C8E1" Content-Language: fr-FR Subject: [orca-list] Proposal of investment in free software accessibility X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 16:29:37 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------D043C2AFD10C042E7296C8E1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable signature_jp_2 Logo Hypra JEAN-PHILIPPE MENGUAL DIRECTEUR TECHNIQUE ET QUALIT=C3=89 102, rue des poissonniers, 75018, Paris Tel : +331 84 73 06 61 Mob : +336 76 34 93 37 jpmengual@hypra.fr www.hypra.fr Facebook Hypra =C2=A0Twitter Hyp= ra Linkedin Jean-Philippe Hi, With the departure of Luke, and before him Mario Lang, from GUI accessibility development, I think we are few now to develop for free software accessibility via classical GUI. I know much groups work on other components (BRLTTY, Fenrir, Vinux, etc). Rare persons work on it now: Joanmarie (thanks Igalia), Dave, Samuel, but except Joanmarie, it is not fulltime and they are busy due to the massive work. And apps devs are not yet aware of the problem related to accessibility. Hypra tries to support this effort: to get a universally accessible OS, we patch Compiz, we fixed some problems in MATE, Thunderbird, Firefox, we report bugs (Libreoffice, Firefox), we try helping Debian accessibility team. To do this, we have funded technicians such as Samuel (not fulltime), and other devs, as well as a project manager in low-vision matter. We needed to use not-only free software for OCR and tts because, to pay all this, we needed to sell some products, and basi users just adopted GNU/Linux in such conditions: a quite excellent OCR and tts. Thanks to this, we served about 100 persons to use free software now. For them, sometimes we re-affected Orca bindings to make them closer than Jaws. And of course, all our efforts are in free software area (public repos). We now would like to enforce our investment in improving free software techno and increase the number of users of it. We will be supported by French State up to 330 000 euros, provided that we find 200 000 euros ourselves. Via crowd equity through our own platform, we have already about 100 000 euros. If you want to get involved in this development effort, you can invest in Hypra and contribute to free software dynamic dev, speeding up it. With such funds, we will: - pay for an additional dev; - improve our communication about what we do to increase the number of new free software users, supported by our service activities in their daily usage. Technically, the new dev, as well as Samuel, will: - fix bugs in Firefox and Libreoffice (see Debian BTS for list of identified bugs today); - setting non-regression tests, to secure such fixes, in MATE, Libreoffice and Firefox, and Thunderbird; - improve the braille implementation, to enable using free software at school in braille, in mathematics, musics, etc. If this first effort is a success (eg we get investors, we dev successfully what we said, and we increase our users number), the future of accessibility free software dev will be nice I think: - less workarounds or hacking in Orca, hence more time to dev new feature= s - we will help PureOS, to get a free (libre) and accessible mobile phone;= - we will experience low-cost machines, to use other things as PCs and, thus, be able to sell performant machines at less than 700 euros (today, we dont have money to explore the most performant configuration and how to set it to be confortable with a keyboard, a screen for low-vision persons, etc). Well, a lot of prospectives. Provided that we speed up our increasing, via more users, and this fund raising. If we fail, we will not stop, just we will be slower. Just afraid that if we are too slow, maybe it will be so late, and given the impact of Google and Apple on accessibility and privacy, I am worry for free software and user respect. Because free software need to renew its staff, and it probably is possible through the success of an economic ecosystem. Don't hesitate contact me in private if the prospective interests you. Best regards, --------------D043C2AFD10C042E7296C8E1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
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Hi,


With the departure of Luke, and before him Mario Lang, from GUI accessibility development, I think we are few now to develop for free software accessibility via classical GUI. I know much groups work on other components (BRLTTY, Fenrir, Vinux, etc). Rare persons work on it now: Joanmarie (thanks Igalia), Dave, Samuel, but except Joanmarie, it is not fulltime and they are busy due to the massive work. And apps devs are not yet aware of the problem related to accessibility.


Hypra tries to support this effort: to get a universally accessible OS, we patch Compiz, we fixed some problems in MATE, Thunderbird, Firefox, we report bugs (Libreoffice, Firefox), we try helping Debian accessibility team. To do this, we have funded technicians such as Samuel (not fulltime), and other devs, as well as a project manager in low-vision matter.


We needed to use not-only free software for OCR and tts because, to pay all this, we needed to sell some products, and basi users just adopted GNU/Linux in such conditions: a quite excellent OCR and tts. Thanks to this, we served about 100 persons to use free software now. For them, sometimes we re-affected Orca bindings to make them closer than Jaws. And of course, all our efforts are in free software area (public repos).


We now would like to enforce our investment in improving free software techno and increase the number of users of it. We will be supported by French State up to 330 000 euros, provided that we find 200 000 euros ourselves. Via crowd equity through our own platform, we have already about 100 000 euros. If you want to get involved in this development effort, you can invest in Hypra and contribute to free software dynamic dev, speeding up it. With such funds, we will:

- pay for an additional dev;

- improve our communication about what we do to increase the number of new free software users, supported by our service activities in their daily usage.


Technically, the new dev, as well as Samuel, will:

- fix bugs in Firefox and Libreoffice (see Debian BTS for list of identified bugs today);

- setting non-regression tests, to secure such fixes, in MATE, Libreoffice and Firefox, and Thunderbird;

- improve the braille implementation, to enable using free software at school in braille, in mathematics, musics, etc.


If this first effort is a success (eg we get investors, we dev successfully what we said, and we increase our users number), the future of accessibility free software dev will be nice I think:

- less workarounds or hacking in Orca, hence more time to dev new features

- we will help PureOS, to get a free (libre) and accessible mobile phone;

- we will experience low-cost machines, to use other things as PCs and, thus, be able to sell performant machines at less than 700 euros (today, we dont have money to explore the most performant configuration and how to set it to be confortable with a keyboard, a screen for low-vision persons, etc).


Well, a lot of prospectives. Provided that we speed up our increasing, via more users, and this fund raising. If we fail, we will not stop, just we will be slower. Just afraid that if we are too slow, maybe it will be so late, and given the impact of Google and Apple on accessibility and privacy, I am worry for free software and user respect. Because free software need to renew its staff, and it probably is possible through the success of an economic ecosystem.


Don't hesitate contact me in private if the prospective interests you.


Best regards,







--------------D043C2AFD10C042E7296C8E1-- From albert.e.sten_clanton@verizon.net Mon Nov 20 16:32:50 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5139B76BCC for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 16:32:50 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JxlZoYy4Ipic for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 16:32:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omr-m001e.mx.aol.com (omr-m001e.mx.aol.com [204.29.186.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 008477621A for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 16:32:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mtaout-aag01.mx.aol.com (mtaout-aag01.mx.aol.com [172.26.126.77]) by omr-m001e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 13A9E380005B; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 11:32:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (0x5b3139322e3136382e312e325d [71.174.175.3]) by mtaout-aag01.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPA id EE95138000096; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 11:32:44 -0500 (EST) To: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=c3=a1gner?= References: Cc: orca-list From: Al Sten-Clanton Message-ID: <46a59e37-d181-5e14-038a-b2957855f510@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 11:32:42 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1a7e4d5a1303ac277b X-AOL-IP: 71.174.175.3 Subject: Re: [orca-list] trying to click on Verizon channel links X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 16:32:50 -0000 Peter, thanks for checking into the Verizon channel virtually inaccessible site. I used the keystrokes you suggested, along with the g key (for graphics) I'd used before, but mouse sim8ulation didn't give me the brief channel descriptions. When I used the insert-multiply number keys to try to make sure I was where the mouse should be, I got a message to the effect that there was no mouseover object. I did a little better using Windows 10, JAWS 18, and Firefox on my Windows box, but only just a very little bit better. I maybe did less well than when I wrote about this problem a few weeks ago, but I'm not sure. (I have a new version of Firefox on the Windows box, but I don't yet know if it's the version 57, with the accessibility problems, or the long-term release, 52, which I think I installed this morning.) Anyway, my wife and I spent a long time on the phone with a Verizon person who deals with accessibility. We're supposed to get FIOS next week, with a plan that will be notably cheaper than our current service and that will include TV. We'll see how this actually works out. Al On 11/20/2017 7:50 AM, Peter Vágner wrote: > Hello, > > This site is very confusing at best. Only to try to help you I have > looked up a zip code for newyourk Bronks, entered the zip code there and > received a package listings. No mather where I was clicking no channels > have been revealed to me. > This site appear to be using links which are not focusable so you can't > navigate to some of them by pressing tab and shift+tab. You can navigate > to them by pressing quick navigation keys k or shift+k. Or you can see > list of all links by pressing alt+shift+k . It's analogous for other > page element types. Clickables perhaps need an extra bit of explanation. > You can hit a for jumping to the next clickable and shift+a for jumping > to previous clickable relative to your current position. You can't > activate clickable items with enter key or spacebar key, so you have to > emulate a mouse click on the item when located via flat review or you > can activate a clickable from within list of clickables (alt+shift+a). > Note if you are on a clickable via browse mode the easiest way on how to > activate it is to inwoke a list of clickables, current clickable should > get preselected so you will only navigate to the Activate button. > Still I believe this site might have more severe accessibility issues > and I am not sure all this is helpfull in this case. > > > Greetings > > Peter > > 2017-11-03 17:43 GMT+01:00 Al Sten-Clanton > >: > > Greetings! > > It looks like my wife and I need to get FIOS from Verizon. The deal > we're considering includes some measure of customizing the TV > channels available. I'll paste the link below. (If you try it, you > might need to put in a zip code, or you might get mine.) I can get a > list of channels for one or more of the selections, but I can't get > to any descriptions of them. I did get to brief descriptions on our > Windows computer, but that's in use now and I'd like to use Debian > and Orca to do this if I can. > > Here's the link: > > http://www.verizon.com/home/widget/ChannelLineUpWidgetServlet?&txid=R20171101_5430853110 > > > I've tried several keystrokes after using g or a to get to the the > "clickable" items, and I looked through Orca's key bindings list. > Is there a way to do this? > > Thanks! > > Al > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > From fhfbotelho@gmail.com Mon Nov 20 16:56:44 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 949C6762A8 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 16:56:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, LOTS_OF_MONEY=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AMuSLhXUWnjm for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 16:56:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qk0-f175.google.com (mail-qk0-f175.google.com [209.85.220.175]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 02EF37621A for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 16:56:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qk0-f175.google.com with SMTP id j202so8261037qke.10 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 08:56:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:reply-to:subject:references:to:from:organization:message-id :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=WkUEcEweGigBKZ1cEtl0j1qnGWcsCDRP0WA9dwLrr18=; b=XIN5i3ZxNP0Na7DVYI+BMx7hclLOg5M/X2ZCmFkL9TRhUATXMfcm4555Wr4+u28dx9 VWfUOOGMvqFBpFb4RKYTyIJCIeW7XbJTC2nNafHISFR3flx4NEnCYwYV8Lpj+9cYB68q nSruVpT0RNgQir/Uc+pJ5KYAJdt+FxxZcIJ7t6zV+G7fvmUMnGeGT+Apg4nPmDxjbdqC hOncHKUJPhs4tznSOYlJeLPuRgPUTPFVC4e0wKbyI6uQwmtp2qGjPru55vE8wMDJGU7g XOfpCR2qAW3mg3lCEcJosGOzWYlVNjMRuQeEopsz8LlGDt/QdYJ7CtGar2LjvCrs8w5U RMMw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:reply-to:subject:references:to:from :organization:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=WkUEcEweGigBKZ1cEtl0j1qnGWcsCDRP0WA9dwLrr18=; b=GuhVTN+W6AStFapdmt5Uul1vBFJ4e6wwcMbBjDHl9+wjL8W4rA0qmxcXoPTQ+Qq/53 fcq6PE1puzsyjtjikE6+F2ovaOzVfJmKSd5FswehsQ6a3LtykYFMGU/EY/FPTgXfMayf DUowVHSsQh/cXQDLC8Vt33biigJ9o3US2eQNCW7fOmmpRpDfWfQcnoB0SyldCpX1Xghy P9ucmwXVUvqAX472NdlWQMBvcCwOtTNCnw9j/8OiJ2e7OqYe0l3ohcXfCvpRjfkN/i5D 4x1YEMXNIpdHHywfPOREZ1WHtmespAD1kGN/NlK3qsGGq5YPpdlnu7d/D4f1l+rgu/W+ jcFw== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX5W2XJK+5NjhxJR14SN3PXJOyOrGBc7N8XnbubAHGYdjjfiAoTs b5USaFM5q25o9TE/WSFLHS096Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMaU0NFrzj4dr8JDoBKYAtRnptyj3EDQzTShd4Ahyb8VLlJ/M6vFeQWE0zwRtvO2K4jPEokXlQ== X-Received: by 10.55.26.90 with SMTP id a87mr20576104qka.184.1511197000670; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 08:56:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.100.6] ([177.220.189.58]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id i35sm2562986qte.96.2017.11.20.08.56.39 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 20 Nov 2017 08:56:40 -0800 (PST) Sender: Fernando Botelho Reply-To: Fernando.Botelho@F123.org References: <14867b74-68fb-5b64-8e87-660edfda2e28@hypra.fr> To: Jean-Philippe MENGUAL , orca From: Fernando Botelho Organization: F123 Message-ID: <01640626-43f3-736e-fd2d-814d0d659ded@F123.org> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 14:56:38 -0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <14867b74-68fb-5b64-8e87-660edfda2e28@hypra.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Proposal of investment in free software accessibility X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 16:56:44 -0000 This would be a perfect match for FSF and friends. Have you tried knocking on that door? I also support this wider and very public effort, it is just that these are big numbers if we look at what has been raised in the past. Good luck, Fernando On 11/20/2017 02:29 PM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote: > signature_jp_2 > Logo Hypra JEAN-PHILIPPE MENGUAL > DIRECTEUR TECHNIQUE ET QUALITÉ > 102, rue des poissonniers, 75018, Paris > Tel : +331 84 73 06 61 Mob : +336 76 34 93 37 > > jpmengual@hypra.fr > www.hypra.fr > Facebook Hypra Twitter Hypra > Linkedin Jean-Philippe > > > Hi, > > > With the departure of Luke, and before him Mario Lang, from GUI > accessibility development, I think we are few now to develop for free > software accessibility via classical GUI. I know much groups work on > other components (BRLTTY, Fenrir, Vinux, etc). Rare persons work on it > now: Joanmarie (thanks Igalia), Dave, Samuel, but except Joanmarie, it > is not fulltime and they are busy due to the massive work. And apps > devs are not yet aware of the problem related to accessibility. > > > Hypra tries to support this effort: to get a universally accessible > OS, we patch Compiz, we fixed some problems in MATE, Thunderbird, > Firefox, we report bugs (Libreoffice, Firefox), we try helping Debian > accessibility team. To do this, we have funded technicians such as > Samuel (not fulltime), and other devs, as well as a project manager in > low-vision matter. > > > We needed to use not-only free software for OCR and tts because, to > pay all this, we needed to sell some products, and basi users just > adopted GNU/Linux in such conditions: a quite excellent OCR and tts. > Thanks to this, we served about 100 persons to use free software now. > For them, sometimes we re-affected Orca bindings to make them closer > than Jaws. And of course, all our efforts are in free software area > (public repos). > > > We now would like to enforce our investment in improving free software > techno and increase the number of users of it. We will be supported by > French State up to 330 000 euros, provided that we find 200 000 euros > ourselves. Via crowd equity through our own platform, we have already > about 100 000 euros. If you want to get involved in this development > effort, you can invest in Hypra and contribute to free software > dynamic dev, speeding up it. With such funds, we will: > > - pay for an additional dev; > > - improve our communication about what we do to increase the number of > new free software users, supported by our service activities in their > daily usage. > > > Technically, the new dev, as well as Samuel, will: > > - fix bugs in Firefox and Libreoffice (see Debian BTS for list of > identified bugs today); > > - setting non-regression tests, to secure such fixes, in MATE, > Libreoffice and Firefox, and Thunderbird; > > - improve the braille implementation, to enable using free software at > school in braille, in mathematics, musics, etc. > > > If this first effort is a success (eg we get investors, we dev > successfully what we said, and we increase our users number), the > future of accessibility free software dev will be nice I think: > > - less workarounds or hacking in Orca, hence more time to dev new features > > - we will help PureOS, to get a free (libre) and accessible mobile phone; > > - we will experience low-cost machines, to use other things as PCs > and, thus, be able to sell performant machines at less than 700 euros > (today, we dont have money to explore the most performant > configuration and how to set it to be confortable with a keyboard, a > screen for low-vision persons, etc). > > > Well, a lot of prospectives. Provided that we speed up our increasing, > via more users, and this fund raising. If we fail, we will not stop, > just we will be slower. Just afraid that if we are too slow, maybe it > will be so late, and given the impact of Google and Apple on > accessibility and privacy, I am worry for free software and user > respect. Because free software need to renew its staff, and it > probably is possible through the success of an economic ecosystem. > > > Don't hesitate contact me in private if the prospective interests you. > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From jpmengual@hypra.fr Mon Nov 20 17:18:25 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26E14762A8 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 17:18:25 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.011 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.011 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, LOTS_OF_MONEY=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CDifHgnQnTwQ for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 17:18:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra.fr (hypra.fr [62.210.38.35]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8822776249 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 17:18:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.10.190.62] (unknown [89.227.222.139]) by hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4FE6D580F5F; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 18:18:20 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hypra.fr; s=mail; t=1511198300; bh=zjPVMSbTZktYOaMHHVjTLRbL8i2CsZoUK45XfdChi9Q=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=gGpFrm2wG+FCq3AjMFl+TYZxzr/3VI2mBHCDR5MUVWaWem3GVGvknYHyNp4sVsBzI RgpK9i/rhfNClNwdUtqfmuTKqUo8wMyiCMVyeZ0LRdQFY20v1OrSIFX3G/OcVUo2L+ nt9rSlN4OKgG4mL839bLag8ZxDZ2zkBbo5exIUaM= To: Fernando.Botelho@F123.org, orca References: <14867b74-68fb-5b64-8e87-660edfda2e28@hypra.fr> <01640626-43f3-736e-fd2d-814d0d659ded@F123.org> From: Jean-Philippe MENGUAL Organization: Hypra Message-ID: <5a0758f4-ffa2-0f96-f655-146b8f057c78@hypra.fr> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 18:18:19 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <01640626-43f3-736e-fd2d-814d0d659ded@F123.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: fr-FR Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Proposal of investment in free software accessibility X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 17:18:25 -0000 Hi Fernando, Thanks for your support: Le 20/11/2017 à 17:56, Fernando Botelho a écrit : > This would be a perfect match for FSF and friends. Have you tried > knocking on that door? I do not have any contact, but if you have, I would be glad doing it. I just do not know if they can invest anywhere. However if they just can donate, accelibreinfo can get funds and become investor through this donation. I also am afraid they do not want to support a not full-free software project due to OCR and tts and Debian, they do not consider as a free software distro. And I cannot fight for political reasons in such propposal. > > > I also support this wider and very public effort, it is just that these > are big numbers if we look at what has been raised in the past. Right, hence our will to do differently. We want to focus on non-regression tests before everything, then only work on bugs themselves, in order to ensure that this investment is the last as massive, but will be secure thanks our tests, lobbying in communities, etc. Hence also the amount which could seem low in front have all the work which needs to be done actually. For your info, many people invest about 10 000 euros so far, or 5000. Best regards, > > > Good luck, > > > Fernando > > > > On 11/20/2017 02:29 PM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote: >> signature_jp_2 >> Logo Hypra     JEAN-PHILIPPE MENGUAL >> DIRECTEUR TECHNIQUE ET QUALITÉ >> 102, rue des poissonniers, 75018, Paris >> Tel : +331 84 73 06 61 Mob : +336 76 34 93 37 >> >> jpmengual@hypra.fr >> www.hypra.fr >> Facebook Hypra Twitter Hypra >> Linkedin Jean-Philippe >> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> With the departure of Luke, and before him Mario Lang, from GUI >> accessibility development, I think we are few now to develop for free >> software accessibility via classical GUI. I know much groups work on >> other components (BRLTTY, Fenrir, Vinux, etc). Rare persons work on it >> now: Joanmarie (thanks Igalia), Dave, Samuel, but except Joanmarie, it >> is not fulltime and they are busy due to the massive work. And apps >> devs are not yet aware of the problem related to accessibility. >> >> >> Hypra tries to support this effort: to get a universally accessible >> OS, we patch Compiz, we fixed some problems in MATE, Thunderbird, >> Firefox, we report bugs (Libreoffice, Firefox), we try helping Debian >> accessibility team. To do this, we have funded technicians such as >> Samuel (not fulltime), and other devs, as well as a project manager in >> low-vision matter. >> >> >> We needed to use not-only free software for OCR and tts because, to >> pay all this, we needed to sell some products, and basi users just >> adopted GNU/Linux in such conditions: a quite excellent OCR and tts. >> Thanks to this, we served about 100 persons to use free software now. >> For them, sometimes we re-affected Orca bindings to make them closer >> than Jaws. And of course, all our efforts are in free software area >> (public repos). >> >> >> We now would like to enforce our investment in improving free software >> techno and increase the number of users of it. We will be supported by >> French State up to 330 000 euros, provided that we find 200 000 euros >> ourselves. Via crowd equity through our own platform, we have already >> about 100 000 euros. If you want to get involved in this development >> effort, you can invest in Hypra and contribute to free software >> dynamic dev, speeding up it. With such funds, we will: >> >> - pay for an additional dev; >> >> - improve our communication about what we do to increase the number of >> new free software users, supported by our service activities in their >> daily usage. >> >> >> Technically, the new dev, as well as Samuel, will: >> >> - fix bugs in Firefox and Libreoffice (see Debian BTS for list of >> identified bugs today); >> >> - setting non-regression tests, to secure such fixes, in MATE, >> Libreoffice and Firefox, and Thunderbird; >> >> - improve the braille implementation, to enable using free software at >> school in braille, in mathematics, musics, etc. >> >> >> If this first effort is a success (eg we get investors, we dev >> successfully what we said, and we increase our users number), the >> future of accessibility free software dev will be nice I think: >> >> - less workarounds or hacking in Orca, hence more time to dev new >> features >> >> - we will help PureOS, to get a free (libre) and accessible mobile phone; >> >> - we will experience low-cost machines, to use other things as PCs >> and, thus, be able to sell performant machines at less than 700 euros >> (today, we dont have money to explore the most performant >> configuration and how to set it to be confortable with a keyboard, a >> screen for low-vision persons, etc). >> >> >> Well, a lot of prospectives. Provided that we speed up our increasing, >> via more users, and this fund raising. If we fail, we will not stop, >> just we will be slower. Just afraid that if we are too slow, maybe it >> will be so late, and given the impact of Google and Apple on >> accessibility and privacy, I am worry for free software and user >> respect. Because free software need to renew its staff, and it >> probably is possible through the success of an economic ecosystem. >> >> >> Don't hesitate contact me in private if the prospective interests you. >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > From fhfbotelho@gmail.com Mon Nov 20 18:14:25 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCC8B762A8 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 18:14:25 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, LOTS_OF_MONEY=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rpGaHhCMv67P for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 18:14:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qt0-f181.google.com (mail-qt0-f181.google.com [209.85.216.181]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3A077626F for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 18:14:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qt0-f181.google.com with SMTP id q13so4402208qtb.5 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 10:14:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:reply-to:subject:references:to:from:organization:message-id :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=yFqgLvXPHCuZSow2hH+5JLstAsBNe2IISrJ8GMBtxIM=; b=b0PG9kiA6kNAwwOlRKs4tFrPsRBh0Jou6p/UwRGQgk51i7TDILNTUJ2+Hdv2kn6dR1 i5/WpNEr3r7gOV2ngH2OSfpkBAW5h9y8lqorrAODjUih+kY0FdM9jX1Zg6L3VV7bkZbf zslwx8C4vmNkBpPj20lKNRtBJnm8E0bXSPWtQYMWDQ609Bn9vHKNzRsJ2kEfx7bk30uq k4vsT5uwlKtY2O4zmkKT28Ve2e6eQx/JUsqk06aQsBd4e95CJPNgG6FBZcVezfoToKJe b1VbcUgzRqCUVhZXX6bDBl81t8NkefsM/EJY1taVndT6Raf2JOTvDaTvLH+PA4VH2zV7 dEWg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:reply-to:subject:references:to:from :organization:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=yFqgLvXPHCuZSow2hH+5JLstAsBNe2IISrJ8GMBtxIM=; b=EDtr2h4zQ8MRBoWxSiFaNM/WPu9ixX3+ABGiioBkj2XKRUpF116kZqzy3ENT5URHbY 9IVJAA60QeL7bv1kgQIzT846ro3xmdISJr2bTdgxf7Puki7wgrHUoTfikGtTR7p8Nfl8 s171DJGid0aiY9WdX8aEP1RaOxlIPBfQumUigjVRrhzrrXrBvnU1RzlYlAJQZsxrPQt5 gEYQqXMrUHYCknWI8+X8ytbbzxJ7e9kQ2iIM4AHKPklAPrllxivWRoAz6rSOcbmrgMDF zTm7NqMTHpYzYrsyJVOK6yRy15dDUhMVTnnkQ6Are51CG3SbRSYWtIfpy+2sJ42y5DFV 1S+A== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX4mGlYpnrrDh2zKUhwvo5bjh6+FMUbr8LnA/jtci1gmFtvsLvof pNQbvrJwWuyjHGdHlpKhudUh8A== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMa25KwO2vaUICUFAg7pHzKMyCrsYy/zqXxdGZS+dTJ5NDNu/iE+YDrRWu0HBugZYacd0Fimxg== X-Received: by 10.200.41.249 with SMTP id 54mr23212310qtt.312.1511201661465; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 10:14:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.100.6] ([177.220.189.58]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id r55sm7676363qta.57.2017.11.20.10.14.20 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 20 Nov 2017 10:14:21 -0800 (PST) Sender: Fernando Botelho Reply-To: Fernando.Botelho@F123.org References: <14867b74-68fb-5b64-8e87-660edfda2e28@hypra.fr> <01640626-43f3-736e-fd2d-814d0d659ded@F123.org> <5a0758f4-ffa2-0f96-f655-146b8f057c78@hypra.fr> To: Jean-Philippe MENGUAL , orca From: Fernando Botelho Organization: F123 Message-ID: <81298f4b-da4e-e362-007f-26075c124e34@F123.org> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 16:14:17 -0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5a0758f4-ffa2-0f96-f655-146b8f057c78@hypra.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Proposal of investment in free software accessibility X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 18:14:26 -0000 I understand. Sorry for overlooking the obvious philosophical issues. I will be in touch. F123 might be able to help sometime in 2018. Fernando On 11/20/2017 03:18 PM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote: > Hi Fernando, > > Thanks for your support: > > > Le 20/11/2017 à 17:56, Fernando Botelho a écrit : >> This would be a perfect match for FSF and friends. Have you tried >> knocking on that door? > I do not have any contact, but if you have, I would be glad doing it. I > just do not know if they can invest anywhere. However if they just can > donate, accelibreinfo can get funds and become investor through this > donation. I also am afraid they do not want to support a not full-free > software project due to OCR and tts and Debian, they do not consider as > a free software distro. And I cannot fight for political reasons in such > propposal. > > >> >> I also support this wider and very public effort, it is just that these >> are big numbers if we look at what has been raised in the past. > Right, hence our will to do differently. We want to focus on > non-regression tests before everything, then only work on bugs > themselves, in order to ensure that this investment is the last as > massive, but will be secure thanks our tests, lobbying in communities, > etc. Hence also the amount which could seem low in front have all the > work which needs to be done actually. For your info, many people invest > about 10 000 euros so far, or 5000. > > Best regards, > > >> >> Good luck, >> >> >> Fernando >> >> >> >> On 11/20/2017 02:29 PM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote: >>> signature_jp_2 >>> Logo Hypra JEAN-PHILIPPE MENGUAL >>> DIRECTEUR TECHNIQUE ET QUALITÉ >>> 102, rue des poissonniers, 75018, Paris >>> Tel : +331 84 73 06 61 Mob : +336 76 34 93 37 >>> >>> jpmengual@hypra.fr >>> www.hypra.fr >>> Facebook Hypra Twitter Hypra >>> Linkedin Jean-Philippe >>> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> >>> With the departure of Luke, and before him Mario Lang, from GUI >>> accessibility development, I think we are few now to develop for free >>> software accessibility via classical GUI. I know much groups work on >>> other components (BRLTTY, Fenrir, Vinux, etc). Rare persons work on it >>> now: Joanmarie (thanks Igalia), Dave, Samuel, but except Joanmarie, it >>> is not fulltime and they are busy due to the massive work. And apps >>> devs are not yet aware of the problem related to accessibility. >>> >>> >>> Hypra tries to support this effort: to get a universally accessible >>> OS, we patch Compiz, we fixed some problems in MATE, Thunderbird, >>> Firefox, we report bugs (Libreoffice, Firefox), we try helping Debian >>> accessibility team. To do this, we have funded technicians such as >>> Samuel (not fulltime), and other devs, as well as a project manager in >>> low-vision matter. >>> >>> >>> We needed to use not-only free software for OCR and tts because, to >>> pay all this, we needed to sell some products, and basi users just >>> adopted GNU/Linux in such conditions: a quite excellent OCR and tts. >>> Thanks to this, we served about 100 persons to use free software now. >>> For them, sometimes we re-affected Orca bindings to make them closer >>> than Jaws. And of course, all our efforts are in free software area >>> (public repos). >>> >>> >>> We now would like to enforce our investment in improving free software >>> techno and increase the number of users of it. We will be supported by >>> French State up to 330 000 euros, provided that we find 200 000 euros >>> ourselves. Via crowd equity through our own platform, we have already >>> about 100 000 euros. If you want to get involved in this development >>> effort, you can invest in Hypra and contribute to free software >>> dynamic dev, speeding up it. With such funds, we will: >>> >>> - pay for an additional dev; >>> >>> - improve our communication about what we do to increase the number of >>> new free software users, supported by our service activities in their >>> daily usage. >>> >>> >>> Technically, the new dev, as well as Samuel, will: >>> >>> - fix bugs in Firefox and Libreoffice (see Debian BTS for list of >>> identified bugs today); >>> >>> - setting non-regression tests, to secure such fixes, in MATE, >>> Libreoffice and Firefox, and Thunderbird; >>> >>> - improve the braille implementation, to enable using free software at >>> school in braille, in mathematics, musics, etc. >>> >>> >>> If this first effort is a success (eg we get investors, we dev >>> successfully what we said, and we increase our users number), the >>> future of accessibility free software dev will be nice I think: >>> >>> - less workarounds or hacking in Orca, hence more time to dev new >>> features >>> >>> - we will help PureOS, to get a free (libre) and accessible mobile phone; >>> >>> - we will experience low-cost machines, to use other things as PCs >>> and, thus, be able to sell performant machines at less than 700 euros >>> (today, we dont have money to explore the most performant >>> configuration and how to set it to be confortable with a keyboard, a >>> screen for low-vision persons, etc). >>> >>> >>> Well, a lot of prospectives. Provided that we speed up our increasing, >>> via more users, and this fund raising. If we fail, we will not stop, >>> just we will be slower. Just afraid that if we are too slow, maybe it >>> will be so late, and given the impact of Google and Apple on >>> accessibility and privacy, I am worry for free software and user >>> respect. Because free software need to renew its staff, and it >>> probably is possible through the success of an economic ecosystem. >>> >>> >>> Don't hesitate contact me in private if the prospective interests you. >>> >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> From didier@slint.fr Mon Nov 20 20:01:42 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEC3C76249 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 20:01:42 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UYr1OTYfBW1P for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 20:01:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.combination.jabatus.fr (mail.combination.jabatus.fr [109.234.163.78]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E3A1E7608F for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 20:01:40 +0000 (UTC) X-MailPropre-MailScanner-From: didier@slint.fr X-MailPropre-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (cached, score=0.101, required 5, autolearn=disabled, DKIM_SIGNED 0.10, URIBL_BLOCKED 0.00) X-MailPropre-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailPropre-MailScanner-ID: 2181B7F0C8174.A39C2 X-MailPropre-MailScanner-Information: Message sortant - Serveurs o2switch DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=slint.fr; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:From:References:Cc:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=z8t3kxBT8GHehPXA4v+Vx81A7e0KJMLe8fdGria+roQ=; b=NaIvHkKM3hqiR7YGGHx5W7zNmZ AUrbilRURNEah4rL6DjVdpRlYPPMT2F3Yl19sOn6jCTOgbjeIDEwyLCOZMYcqtdaiRxsYZ3jcHmYR OmsaT2nePG4RVCozkIW3Hog7MBRdETaPDmwLYhFvpWT9Lpg+Ms1SjK50JQMtPygf2eTU=; To: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=c3=a1gner?= Cc: carrefourblinux@lists.tuxfamily.org, orca-list , blinux-list@redhat.com, slint@slint.fr, Dimitris Tzemos , Aiyumi , Philippe DELAVALADE , George Vlahavas References: <99e08a48-8117-eca3-32de-6ced2a12a746@slint.fr> <0ffcc0a8-82ac-5c89-491c-8780db7e9ca8@slint.fr> From: Didier Spaier Message-ID: <7204980b-833e-b48d-b23c-590fff536076@slint.fr> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 21:01:35 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - fox.o2switch.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - slint.fr X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: fox.o2switch.net: authenticated_id: didier@slint.fr X-Authenticated-Sender: fox.o2switch.net: didier@slint.fr X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [orca-list] [CBLX] Slint 14.2.1rc2, last call for testing. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 20:01:42 -0000 Hello, Found a fix, will test it now, thanks Peter. Greetings, Didier Le 20/11/2017 à 16:27, Peter Vágner a écrit : > Hello, > > I have just found out yetanother installer veirdness. > Installer is designed in a way so steps should be executed in almost the > same order like the menu items are ordered on the initial screen. > Keyboard layout, partitioning, relaunching the setup, setting target device > including fstab, source media selection and finally the actual install. > I have just found when you execute source media selection before target > device selection the installer will force the source media selection step > eventhough it has already been passed. Subsequent executions of source > media selection will fail thus it is necessery to exit the setup and start > it again. > > I know it sounds as if I was too picky however frankly I don't care that > much, I just wish to make sure it's known eventhough this is a minor > cosmetic issue. > > > Greetings > > Peter > > > 2017-11-11 20:21 GMT+01:00 Didier Spaier : > >> Le 11/11/2017 à 14:07, Didier Spaier a écrit : >>> Slint 14.2.1rc2, last call for testing. >>> >>> Last call means "all bug reports and comments posted before Monday 18 >>> November 2017 will be looked at before the official release." >> Please read instead: >> "before Monday 20 November 2017" >> >> Didier >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/ >> gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> > From didier@slint.fr Mon Nov 20 23:21:14 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 289EB76234 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 23:21:14 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W8k2FdptJ6Jg for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 23:21:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.sixth.jabatus.fr (mail.sixth.jabatus.fr [109.234.163.84]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E4F6A7608F for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 23:21:10 +0000 (UTC) X-MailPropre-MailScanner-From: didier@slint.fr X-MailPropre-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (cached, score=0.101, required 5, autolearn=disabled, DKIM_SIGNED 0.10, URIBL_BLOCKED 0.00) X-MailPropre-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailPropre-MailScanner-ID: 8F3DC7F309F8B.AA2E8 X-MailPropre-MailScanner-Information: Message sortant - Serveurs o2switch DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=slint.fr; s=default; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID: References:Cc:To:From:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=97aNFauWtjWe+cd85xMonrdnJdJCpCb3dlbxghaBl50=; b=YoEMaNSoMC0tv1FMsFGJ9iv0n4 UjQRgiOufvbdc/dNaOuKUARyhbGvaXBoDFm+po08Me8HbMRVkknJiJCodDnFk2kYam4RYccTLVIGb lU1nC455YHUBda44H03Z1dYPOW8ZnaRWihojp0LRNKX77t1reV+Q0vxu2IOwRQrqTJ6w=; From: Didier Spaier To: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=c3=a1gner?= Cc: Aiyumi , slint@slint.fr, George Vlahavas , orca-list , blinux-list@redhat.com, Dimitris Tzemos , carrefourblinux@lists.tuxfamily.org, Philippe DELAVALADE References: <99e08a48-8117-eca3-32de-6ced2a12a746@slint.fr> <0ffcc0a8-82ac-5c89-491c-8780db7e9ca8@slint.fr> <7204980b-833e-b48d-b23c-590fff536076@slint.fr> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 00:21:03 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7204980b-833e-b48d-b23c-590fff536076@slint.fr> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------1C405471048D7AAAA7CBC22D" Content-Language: en-US X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - fox.o2switch.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - slint.fr X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: fox.o2switch.net: authenticated_id: didier@slint.fr X-Authenticated-Sender: fox.o2switch.net: didier@slint.fr X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [orca-list] [CBLX] Slint 14.2.1rc2, last call for testing. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 23:21:14 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------1C405471048D7AAAA7CBC22D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, This is fixed locally. Changes: The user can execute first either the target or the source step. The installer refuses to execute twice one of these steps with a warning, then go back to the main menu. After execution of one of these steps, if the other one has already been executed go to the installation step, else go back to the main menu. What has not changed: Installation is allowed only if both the source and target steps have been executed. Configuration is allowed only if the system has been installed, as per your previous remark. As an aside, this does not preclude executing the configuration step on a system installed long ago, if the root partition has been mounted during the target step. I attach the modified setup file. Greetings, Didier PS I am still eager of feedback on RC2 and ideas about Aiyumi's issue of no sound on the desktop Le 20/11/2017 à 21:01, Didier Spaier a écrit : > Hello, > > Found a fix, will test it now, thanks Peter. > > Greetings, > > Didier > > Le 20/11/2017 à 16:27, Peter Vágner a écrit : >> Hello, >> >> I have just found out yetanother installer veirdness. >> Installer is designed in a way so steps should be executed in almost the >> same order like the menu items are ordered on the initial screen. >> Keyboard layout, partitioning, relaunching the setup, setting target device >> including fstab, source media selection and finally the actual install. >> I have just found when you execute source media selection before target >> device selection the installer will force the source media selection step >> eventhough it has already been passed. Subsequent executions of source >> media selection will fail thus it is necessery to exit the setup and start >> it again. >> >> I know it sounds as if I was too picky however frankly I don't care that >> much, I just wish to make sure it's known eventhough this is a minor >> cosmetic issue. >> >> >> Greetings >> >> Peter >> >> >> 2017-11-11 20:21 GMT+01:00 Didier Spaier : >> >>> Le 11/11/2017 à 14:07, Didier Spaier a écrit : >>>> Slint 14.2.1rc2, last call for testing. >>>> >>>> Last call means "all bug reports and comments posted before Monday 18 >>>> November 2017 will be looked at before the official release." >>> Please read instead: >>> "before Monday 20 November 2017" >>> >>> Didier >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access 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orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C39D6768AD for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 00:38:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aLW907dWANch for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 00:38:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6CF9876249 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 00:38:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from panix1.panix.com (panix1.panix.com [166.84.1.1]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EC0A11392; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 19:38:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by panix1.panix.com (Postfix, from userid 20712) id 35DEA14B9D; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 19:38:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by panix1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 313F214B98; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 19:38:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 19:38:46 -0500 From: Jude DaShiell To: Linux for blind general discussion , =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Peter_V=E1gner?= cc: Aiyumi , George Vlahavas , orca-list , slint@slint.fr, Dimitris Tzemos , carrefourblinux@lists.tuxfamily.org, Philippe DELAVALADE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <99e08a48-8117-eca3-32de-6ced2a12a746@slint.fr> <0ffcc0a8-82ac-5c89-491c-8780db7e9ca8@slint.fr> <7204980b-833e-b48d-b23c-590fff536076@slint.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=------------1C405471048D7AAAA7CBC22D Content-ID: Subject: Re: [orca-list] [CBLX] Slint 14.2.1rc2, last call for testing. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 00:38:51 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --------------1C405471048D7AAAA7CBC22D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-ID: I have an x86-64 system with an hdmi card in it. If slint was already tested on one of these and results returned I'll leave this one alone otherwise I'll install and test and see what happens with accessibility. I'll be interested to find if that hdmi card breaks any of the accessibility. On Tue, 21 Nov 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 18:21:03 > From: Linux for blind general discussion > To: Peter V?gner > Cc: Aiyumi , blinux-list@redhat.com, > George Vlahavas , orca-list , > slint@slint.fr, Dimitris Tzemos , > carrefourblinux@lists.tuxfamily.org, > Philippe DELAVALADE > Subject: Re: [orca-list] [CBLX] Slint 14.2.1rc2, last call for testing. > > Hello, > > This is fixed locally. Changes: > The user can execute first either the target or the source step. > The installer refuses to execute twice one of these steps with a > warning, then go back to the main menu. > After execution of one of these steps, if the other one has already been > executed go to the installation step, else go back to the main menu. > What has not changed: > Installation is allowed only if both the source and target steps have > been executed. > Configuration is allowed only if the system has been installed, as per > your previous remark. As an aside, this does not preclude executing the > configuration step on a system installed long ago, if the root partition > has been mounted during the target step. > > I attach the modified setup file. > > Greetings, > > Didier > > PS I am still eager of feedback on RC2 and ideas about Aiyumi's issue of > no sound on the desktop > > Le 20/11/2017 ? 21:01, Didier Spaier a ?crit?: >> Hello, >> >> Found a fix, will test it now, thanks Peter. >> >> Greetings, >> >> Didier >> >> Le 20/11/2017 ? 16:27, Peter V?gner a ?crit?: >>> Hello, >>> >>> I have just found out yetanother installer veirdness. >>> Installer is designed in a way so steps should be executed in almost the >>> same order like the menu items are ordered on the initial screen. >>> Keyboard layout, partitioning, relaunching the setup, setting target device >>> including fstab, source media selection and finally the actual install. >>> I have just found when you execute source media selection before target >>> device selection the installer will force the source media selection step >>> eventhough it has already been passed. Subsequent executions of source >>> media selection will fail thus it is necessery to exit the setup and start >>> it again. >>> >>> I know it sounds as if I was too picky however frankly I don't care that >>> much, I just wish to make sure it's known eventhough this is a minor >>> cosmetic issue. >>> >>> >>> Greetings >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> >>> 2017-11-11 20:21 GMT+01:00 Didier Spaier : >>> >>>> Le 11/11/2017 ? 14:07, Didier Spaier a ?crit : >>>>> Slint 14.2.1rc2, last call for testing. >>>>> >>>>> Last call means "all bug reports and comments posted before Monday 18 >>>>> November 2017 will be looked at before the official release." >>>> Please read instead: >>>> "before Monday 20 November 2017" >>>> >>>> Didier >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/ >>>> gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> > -- --------------1C405471048D7AAAA7CBC22D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; name=setup Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: Content-Description: Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=setup IyEvYmluL3NoCiMKIyBDb3B5cmlnaHQgMTk5MywxOTk0LDE5OTkgIFBhdHJpY2sgVm9sa2Vy ZGluZywgTW9vcmhlYWQsIE1pbm5lc290YSBVU0EKIyBDb3B5cmlnaHQgMjAwMSwgMjAwMywg 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Content-ID: Content-Description: Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list --------------1C405471048D7AAAA7CBC22D-- From chrys@linux-a11y.org Tue Nov 21 06:04:23 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB85B7621A for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 06:04:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.057 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.057 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12=1.543, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A1AMpQWqiJQh for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 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[orca-list] Sound icons in Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 06:04:24 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------D556C7EA5ECC235940B14AE3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Howdy, Storm and me started something like this some months ago. but we never finished. maybe somewone wants to pick up this work. It stalled because... hmm i dont know lol. lost interest maybe. https://github.com/chrys87/orca-beep/commits/soundicons it was just an first try but it was able to play soundicons for different roles and toggle of browse/focus mode in browser. some issues in say all and cleanup is needed. cheers chrys Am 20.11.2017 um 11:24 schrieb Peter Vágner: > Hello, > > Currently orca is doing almost no audio except of progressbar beeps. > In order to this to be usefull and robust enough I think orca needs > something similar that's currently being happening at NVDA for Windows. > See here for an awesome pull request to NVDA for some inspiration: > https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/pull/7599 > > Greetings > > Peter > > > 2017-11-14 12:16 GMT+01:00 Vojtěch šmiro >: > > Hello. > > Is some way to make sound icons in Orca? I would like to have > this. Orca will not say buttons, links, checkboxes, but it wil > play sound. Is it possible? > > Thanks. > > Best regards > > Vojta. > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org --------------D556C7EA5ECC235940B14AE3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Howdy,

Storm and me started something like this some months ago. but we never finished. maybe somewone wants to pick up this work. It stalled because... hmm i dont know lol. lost interest maybe.
https://github.com/chrys87/orca-beep/commits/soundicons

it was just an first try but it was able to play soundicons for different roles and toggle of browse/focus mode in browser. some issues in say all and cleanup is needed.


cheers chrys
Am 20.11.2017 um 11:24 schrieb Peter Vágner:
Hello,

Currently orca is doing almost no audio except of progressbar beeps. In order to this to be usefull and robust enough I think orca needs something similar that's currently being happening at NVDA for Windows.
See here for an awesome pull request to NVDA for some inspiration: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/pull/7599

Greetings

Peter


2017-11-14 12:16 GMT+01:00 Vojtěch šmiro <vsmiro@seznam.cz>:
Hello.

Is some way to make sound icons in Orca? I would like to have this. Orca will not say buttons, links, checkboxes, but it wil play sound. Is it possible?

Thanks.

Best regards

Vojta.
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--------------D556C7EA5ECC235940B14AE3-- From paulinagaj.99@o2.pl Tue Nov 21 09:00:00 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78EBD76C55 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 09:00:00 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.65 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.65 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DXXZm1FlUN5z for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 08:59:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx-out.tlen.pl (mx-out.tlen.pl [193.222.135.175]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C5814760A0 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 08:59:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: (wp-smtpd smtp.tlen.pl 19626 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2017 09:59:51 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.1.100]) (paulinagaj.99@o2.pl@[37.47.74.184]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.tlen.pl (WP-SMTPD) with SMTP for ; 21 Nov 2017 09:59:51 +0100 To: orca-list@gnome.org From: Paulina Gajoch Message-ID: <1858baf4-f4d1-acad-eddc-22782382d29f@o2.pl> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 09:59:50 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-WP-MailID: 03449c63a79539d13323da1b55afc9ad X-WP-AV: skaner antywirusowy Poczty o2 X-WP-SPAM: NO 000000B [AfNk] Subject: [orca-list] Using Espeak in Orca 3.26.0 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 09:00:00 -0000 Hi all, How can I configure speech dispatcher to use Espeak instead of Espeak-NG? 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Greetings Paulina I c From paulinagaj.99@o2.pl Tue Nov 21 09:15:18 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E80B760A0 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 09:15:18 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.65 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.65 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R3dmp6ftkkmG for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 09:15:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx-out.tlen.pl (mx-out.tlen.pl [193.222.135.175]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 90DB17609D for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 09:15:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: (wp-smtpd smtp.tlen.pl 17312 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2017 10:15:14 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.1.100]) (paulinagaj.99@o2.pl@[37.47.74.184]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.tlen.pl (WP-SMTPD) with SMTP for ; 21 Nov 2017 10:15:14 +0100 To: orca-list@gnome.org From: Paulina Gajoch Message-ID: <50047a2f-ff63-6e6c-e835-320008e36ed8@o2.pl> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:15:12 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-WP-MailID: 17bac77493d5c0ea3ba0564566fd8d0e X-WP-AV: skaner antywirusowy Poczty o2 X-WP-SPAM: NO 0000000 [UTNE] Subject: [orca-list] Gmail and subscribing Orca-list X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 09:15:18 -0000 Howdy, I have mail account on o2. But recently I signed up to gmail. I want to subscribe orca list on gmail account. I sent email to: orca-list-join@gnome.org and I don't get a confirm mail. How can I subscribe orca-list on gmail account? Greetings, Paulina From alexarnaud@hypra.fr Tue Nov 21 09:45:23 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 696F8761DF for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 09:45:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.012 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.012 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3xGCX7fmYW5N for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 09:45:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra.fr (hypra.fr [62.210.38.35]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 182837609D for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 09:45:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.10.190.4] (unknown [89.227.222.139]) by hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 28CB8580F5E; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:45:19 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hypra.fr; s=mail; t=1511257519; bh=ITjoClqcHz3G2qEhTIYHoxNsfXSd87D48vfgjgb346g=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=E+kwAURM0ybMbI0zD4VQZl20nEH3nhkpM0fm5QVhfSZ6xSstclzuVIrf8j9y7tsAu IXcGIq31dnW0f3v3W4K54yalAi4Fn5qvvxpVcK/uUU7iv+52KPA69/sOqpdBbjCl6R pGYTIQnq4mVdGbH3bxNXFvjZPPyWAYX/ftbHTgGM= To: Paulina Gajoch , orca-list@gnome.org References: <1858baf4-f4d1-acad-eddc-22782382d29f@o2.pl> From: Alex ARNAUD Organization: Hypra Message-ID: <45ae0f2e-36ab-eb2f-9d02-283160aa5d80@hypra.fr> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:46:00 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1858baf4-f4d1-acad-eddc-22782382d29f@o2.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Using Espeak in Orca 3.26.0 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 09:45:23 -0000 Hello Paulina, You should install the speech-dispatcher-espeak package, restart speech-dispatcher and then configure espeak inside orca preferences. 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Hello,

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2017-11-21 10:15 = GMT+01:00 Paulina Gajoch <paulinagaj.99@o2.pl>:
Howdy,

I have mail account on o2. But recently I signed up to gmail.

I want to subscribe orca list on gmail account. I sent email to:

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and I don't get a confirm mail.

How can I subscribe orca-list on gmail account?

Greetings,

Paulina

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--001a1149235cc90f08055e7b2ef1-- From pvdeejay@gmail.com Tue Nov 21 09:56:54 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1B1376287 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 09:56:54 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6nd5KOfynBLR for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 09:56:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wr0-f171.google.com (mail-wr0-f171.google.com [209.85.128.171]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6AC047609D for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 09:56:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wr0-f171.google.com with SMTP id u40so10711569wrf.10 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 01:56:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=/Florq8gi6Rs57zuzoo4GJE2i1rJ/Nk4RH1iBpF6h2w=; b=LId0k02q6VLCJVYGBxYaMA6BkbTfFi0SG04B09l+zCQk6m+Wd+QUTAl7MyH3LsFSRF XFrKNVrylC6GeqoEd2NhFJhMffg9H0/O9aDmuqqRA1Pjwd9cEwKBWOWnYz/Vr6HI5VwF NJ6iDFMmtqnoXYlanZgv5OBry747JZ7b4Tbcg2cI9CDxvFN9W6vWK2SlkdLPRM7UofsY eiai3SE3ZzAdfF5/Wi44IeoWS82WP5WNpRiTwHR2Arlx/Ai77SmjykXyWnGLKC0vJpjy 7IX97ll4M47gW8FFo7rYEVgxyTUDCZcsAthscybRF73lNY5eA3LiX3ehdM4+XXm7rBrf GDog== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=/Florq8gi6Rs57zuzoo4GJE2i1rJ/Nk4RH1iBpF6h2w=; b=A3SbYBSBLLfhbzWexZy724M2Ss58d05sybPfbF1Bg2+Ord9vLcdqqUkRC5fEtLDeUp rcU8C2rP0AuH5zkn+guFXzEppg+pEHYl93FCouep1aFUbEyPStZF7aUG/6j/hBeA82JJ gvmt7VTWAe/A/QhefUgh3t0qjNeCWVPuySYcZyv1+Hll9F3/101a0rNzRdIPbXWvB2f2 8Zf61KxHTge/flXK8gDwCeguB2aK1i1hH9YQ4cyxxr6y/dsEG5XC0Xyj3/t0/Xh9e+Qg VgV+lNgiFLVAIkjkG10YGVZMf6JXlELsLqRk60ih9kjnCHt4rCbVeh6e3vypODS/Zvmi eFrQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX4oaXMULPriWJ6BEvC8yWFAfOL5GFDpABdeojcp3erbNP3MK0l6 PQ56rPjhfgxgiQ09SKRxIqwIqdcia9qwc3ldfD0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMaKsItfXGkl+X+yUlhuvfAgG9FUFC58GoUQVI5RgqOxLGOPdOCiaew1la++z8QxKw4FkF+yROn/0bguoJ617uo= X-Received: by 10.223.161.222 with SMTP id v30mr10733591wrv.191.1511258210726; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 01:56:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.184.76 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 01:56:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <7be8ed0d-d4c9-4f1e-e6d3-cc173c2e0d53@hypra.fr> References: <50047a2f-ff63-6e6c-e835-320008e36ed8@o2.pl> <7be8ed0d-d4c9-4f1e-e6d3-cc173c2e0d53@hypra.fr> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=C3=A1gner?= Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:56:50 +0100 Message-ID: To: Alex ARNAUD Cc: Paulina Gajoch , orca-list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f403045f155ed078ad055e7b3815" Subject: Re: [orca-list] Gmail and subscribing Orca-list X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 09:56:54 -0000 --f403045f155ed078ad055e7b3815 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Alex, I assumed the same thing however when looking at the Orca list info page linked to on the bottom of each received message I can see this text in there... *ATTENTION:* Web based subscription are disabled, you can subscribe to orca-list by sending an email with empty subject and body to *orca-list-join@gnome.org .* *Greetings* *Peter* 2017-11-21 10:53 GMT+01:00 Alex ARNAUD : > Hello Paulina, > > The e-mail address to subscribe to the orca list is > orca-list-request@gnome.org, not orca-list-join. > > Best regards. > -- > Alex ARNAUD > Visual-Impairment Project Manager > Hypra - "Humanizing technology" > > > Le 21/11/2017 =C3=A0 10:15, Paulina Gajoch a =C3=A9crit : > >> Howdy, >> >> I have mail account on o2. But recently I signed up to gmail. >> >> I want to subscribe orca list on gmail account. I sent email to: >> >> orca-list-join@gnome.org >> >> and I don't get a confirm mail. >> >> How can I subscribe orca-list on gmail account? >> >> Greetings, >> >> Paulina >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/g >> nome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/g > nome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > --f403045f155ed078ad055e7b3815 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey Alex,

I assumed the same= thing however when looking at the Orca list info page linked to on the bot= tom of each received message I can see this text in there...

=
ATTENTION: Web based subscription are disabled, you can subscribe to orca-list by sending an email with empty subject and body to orca-list-join@gnome.org.


Greetings
<= strong>
Peter


2017-11-21 10:53 GMT+01:00 Alex ARNAUD <alexarnaud@hypra.fr>:
Hell= o Paulina,

The e-mail address to subscribe to the orca list is orca-list-request@gnome.org, = not orca-list-join.

Best regards.
--
Alex ARNAUD
Visual-Impairment Project Manager
Hypra - "Humanizing technology"


Le 21/11/2017 =C3=A0 10:15, Paulina Gajoch a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
Howdy,

I have mail account on o2. But recently I signed up to gmail.

I want to subscribe orca list on gmail account. I sent email to:

orca-list-joi= n@gnome.org

and I don't get a confirm mail.

How can I subscribe orca-list on gmail account?

Greetings,

Paulina

_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list@gnome.or= g
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-l= ist
Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/= stable/
GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.g= nome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list@gnome.or= g
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-l= ist
Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/= stable/
GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.g= nome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
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--f403045f155ed078ad055e7b3815-- From alexarnaud@hypra.fr Tue Nov 21 10:00:54 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9C357609D for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:00:54 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.012 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.012 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SlBKf9uFk1LH for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:00:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra.fr (hypra.fr [62.210.38.35]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D646376287 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:00:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.10.190.4] (unknown [89.227.222.139]) by hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4C2B6580F5E; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 11:00:51 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hypra.fr; s=mail; t=1511258451; bh=BI7/dO5cREVU86QL4P2Riz+wSRiLnhtjVDFELrKRAs0=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=vTNgSZZrBo+Zn9hb/FTAy/E+799NXNdzTHm1FdMkH5wLeHKU5gfD1J5Hwnmd2BKCo nsU0Ef2BaEFui1aPpDuuH1ASm6IpwzHB5CbFc/lqFk+xZzPTygoOuUe3BO6me0nC0F RH9gU1NebefpcLNF9QzHD90S1ewSzuPjEhMycZ5g= To: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=c3=a1gner?= Cc: Paulina Gajoch , orca-list References: <50047a2f-ff63-6e6c-e835-320008e36ed8@o2.pl> <7be8ed0d-d4c9-4f1e-e6d3-cc173c2e0d53@hypra.fr> From: Alex ARNAUD Organization: Hypra Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 11:01:32 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Gmail and subscribing Orca-list X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:00:54 -0000 Hey Peter, Right, I confirm that orca-list-join@gnome.org works correctly. I've tried and received an e-mail. Best regards. -- Alex ARNAUD Visual-Impairment Project Manager Hypra - "Humanizing technology" Le 21/11/2017 à 10:56, Peter Vágner a écrit : > Hey Alex, > > I assumed the same thing however when looking at the Orca list info page > linked to on the bottom of each received message I can see this text in > there... > > *ATTENTION:* Web based subscription are disabled, you can subscribe to > orca-list by sending an email with empty subject and body to > *orca-list-join@gnome.org . > * > > > *Greetings* > * > * > *Peter* > ** > ** > > 2017-11-21 10:53 GMT+01:00 Alex ARNAUD >: > > Hello Paulina, > > The e-mail address to subscribe to the orca list is > orca-list-request@gnome.org , > not orca-list-join. > > Best regards. > -- > Alex ARNAUD > Visual-Impairment Project Manager > Hypra - "Humanizing technology" > > > Le 21/11/2017 à 10:15, Paulina Gajoch a écrit : > > Howdy, > > I have mail account on o2. But recently I signed up to gmail. > > I want to subscribe orca list on gmail account. I sent email to: > > orca-list-join@gnome.org > > and I don't get a confirm mail. > > How can I subscribe orca-list on gmail account? > > Greetings, > > Paulina > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > From webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl Tue Nov 21 11:24:54 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B59CD76287 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 11:24:54 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.011 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.011 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WbhMp379uKjA for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 11:24:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpo109.poczta.onet.pl (smtpo109.poczta.onet.pl [213.180.149.162]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 41DE176249 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 11:24:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.18.3.109] (unknown [149.156.24.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl) by smtp.poczta.onet.pl (Onet) with ESMTPSA id 3yh3CL3p5TzlkBcM for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 12:24:45 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=poczta.onet.pl; s=2011; t=1511263486; bh=+Q+0wNURC8xVZy4cnYp/xGWELyiqw/BsBuIgNVbAURc=; h=To:From:Subject:Date:From; b=lFoEIkZthomWbfpk/5IXF8w/cbcQivta30K+fJJCLrCcatjys4NlxcQ0WCsZXQXyA k2+zalEYXxJ4B4HoVg5tY/B01T7TAeDyBH1jfzs9s4cuTh02JqytHKIhOEPebd9HuY G4ECnFYxHCtxaDJapHZsMCdMLyWJvu/9j3tjyE7s= To: orca-list From: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=c5=82_Zegan?= Message-ID: <9c94fb41-c90a-b57b-c543-a0a6af341b10@poczta.onet.pl> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 12:24:44 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="j7q38nIUF6310RvJwusxrG5TI0ftW68Qu" Subject: [orca-list] slack probably inaccessible, maybe something happened in firefox 57? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 11:24:54 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --j7q38nIUF6310RvJwusxrG5TI0ftW68Qu Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="SvxtAQAawqM160UW4wpxxXT31eQQX27mS"; protected-headers="v1" From: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=c5=82_Zegan?= To: orca-list Message-ID: <9c94fb41-c90a-b57b-c543-a0a6af341b10@poczta.onet.pl> Subject: slack probably inaccessible, maybe something happened in firefox 57? --SvxtAQAawqM160UW4wpxxXT31eQQX27mS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello. Slack seems to be inaccessible on new firefox, before it was far better. You need access to any kind of slack channel. 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We need to raise a bit more awareness, we need more expertise and what we need the most are contacts with other main stream developers where we can try to motivate more accessibility developments. Yesterday I had no suggestions because it seems there is no stable company with accessibility experts and interests in leading open-source development= . After reading this Planet Igalia recap http://frederic-wang.fr/review-of-igalia-s-web-platform-activities-H1-2017.= html I would say we need to try showing more funding opportunities to Igalia also working together where possible trying to stimulate their accessibility development with contribution from other organizations like Hypra or F123 or even volunteers. Igalia is awesome company, is known for a while and I hope when it can recognize additional flow of funding the accessibility might again be seen as a bit higher priority than it is being tackled right now. Have you checked how much Hypra vision overlaps with theirs? I would say this might really get interesting. You can see they do still have some accessibility top stars on their board. Greetings Peter 2017-11-20 19:14 GMT+01:00 Fernando Botelho : > I understand. Sorry for overlooking the obvious philosophical issues. > > I will be in touch. F123 might be able to help sometime in 2018. > > Fernando > > > > On 11/20/2017 03:18 PM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote: > >> Hi Fernando, >> >> Thanks for your support: >> >> >> Le 20/11/2017 =C3=A0 17:56, Fernando Botelho a =C3=A9crit : >> >>> This would be a perfect match for FSF and friends. Have you tried >>> knocking on that door? >>> >> I do not have any contact, but if you have, I would be glad doing it. I >> just do not know if they can invest anywhere. However if they just can >> donate, accelibreinfo can get funds and become investor through this >> donation. I also am afraid they do not want to support a not full-free >> software project due to OCR and tts and Debian, they do not consider as >> a free software distro. And I cannot fight for political reasons in such >> propposal. >> >> >> >>> I also support this wider and very public effort, it is just that these >>> are big numbers if we look at what has been raised in the past. >>> >> Right, hence our will to do differently. We want to focus on >> non-regression tests before everything, then only work on bugs >> themselves, in order to ensure that this investment is the last as >> massive, but will be secure thanks our tests, lobbying in communities, >> etc. Hence also the amount which could seem low in front have all the >> work which needs to be done actually. For your info, many people invest >> about 10 000 euros so far, or 5000. >> >> Best regards, >> >> >> >>> Good luck, >>> >>> >>> Fernando >>> >>> >>> >>> On 11/20/2017 02:29 PM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote: >>> >>>> signature_jp_2 >>>> Logo Hypra JEAN-PHILIPPE MENGUAL >>>> DIRECTEUR TECHNIQUE ET QUALIT=C3=89 >>>> 102, rue des poissonniers, 75018, Paris >>>> Tel : +331 84 73 06 61 Mob : +336 76 34 93 37 >>>> >>>> jpmengual@hypra.fr >>>> www.hypra.fr >>>> Facebook Hypra Twitter Hypra >>>> Linkedin Jean-Philippe >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> >>>> With the departure of Luke, and before him Mario Lang, from GUI >>>> accessibility development, I think we are few now to develop for free >>>> software accessibility via classical GUI. I know much groups work on >>>> other components (BRLTTY, Fenrir, Vinux, etc). Rare persons work on it >>>> now: Joanmarie (thanks Igalia), Dave, Samuel, but except Joanmarie, it >>>> is not fulltime and they are busy due to the massive work. And apps >>>> devs are not yet aware of the problem related to accessibility. >>>> >>>> >>>> Hypra tries to support this effort: to get a universally accessible >>>> OS, we patch Compiz, we fixed some problems in MATE, Thunderbird, >>>> Firefox, we report bugs (Libreoffice, Firefox), we try helping Debian >>>> accessibility team. To do this, we have funded technicians such as >>>> Samuel (not fulltime), and other devs, as well as a project manager in >>>> low-vision matter. >>>> >>>> >>>> We needed to use not-only free software for OCR and tts because, to >>>> pay all this, we needed to sell some products, and basi users just >>>> adopted GNU/Linux in such conditions: a quite excellent OCR and tts. >>>> Thanks to this, we served about 100 persons to use free software now. >>>> For them, sometimes we re-affected Orca bindings to make them closer >>>> than Jaws. And of course, all our efforts are in free software area >>>> (public repos). >>>> >>>> >>>> We now would like to enforce our investment in improving free software >>>> techno and increase the number of users of it. We will be supported by >>>> French State up to 330 000 euros, provided that we find 200 000 euros >>>> ourselves. Via crowd equity through our own platform, we have already >>>> about 100 000 euros. If you want to get involved in this development >>>> effort, you can invest in Hypra and contribute to free software >>>> dynamic dev, speeding up it. With such funds, we will: >>>> >>>> - pay for an additional dev; >>>> >>>> - improve our communication about what we do to increase the number of >>>> new free software users, supported by our service activities in their >>>> daily usage. >>>> >>>> >>>> Technically, the new dev, as well as Samuel, will: >>>> >>>> - fix bugs in Firefox and Libreoffice (see Debian BTS for list of >>>> identified bugs today); >>>> >>>> - setting non-regression tests, to secure such fixes, in MATE, >>>> Libreoffice and Firefox, and Thunderbird; >>>> >>>> - improve the braille implementation, to enable using free software at >>>> school in braille, in mathematics, musics, etc. >>>> >>>> >>>> If this first effort is a success (eg we get investors, we dev >>>> successfully what we said, and we increase our users number), the >>>> future of accessibility free software dev will be nice I think: >>>> >>>> - less workarounds or hacking in Orca, hence more time to dev new >>>> features >>>> >>>> - we will help PureOS, to get a free (libre) and accessible mobile >>>> phone; >>>> >>>> - we will experience low-cost machines, to use other things as PCs >>>> and, thus, be able to sell performant machines at less than 700 euros >>>> (today, we dont have money to explore the most performant >>>> configuration and how to set it to be confortable with a keyboard, a >>>> screen for low-vision persons, etc). >>>> >>>> >>>> Well, a lot of prospectives. Provided that we speed up our increasing, >>>> via more users, and this fund raising. If we fail, we will not stop, >>>> just we will be slower. Just afraid that if we are too slow, maybe it >>>> will be so late, and given the impact of Google and Apple on >>>> accessibility and privacy, I am worry for free software and user >>>> respect. Because free software need to renew its staff, and it >>>> probably is possible through the success of an economic ecosystem. >>>> >>>> >>>> Don't hesitate contact me in private if the prospective interests you. >>>> >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>> >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/g > nome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > --f403045f517c8ffc07055e7c741c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey guys,

I am sure hypra an= d f123 have great intentions, however I would say we might do better when w= e manage to to do this even on a slightly higher scale.
We need t= o raise a bit more awareness, we need more expertise and what we need the m= ost are contacts with other main stream developers where we can try to moti= vate more accessibility developments.
Yesterday I had no suggesti= ons because it seems there is no stable company with accessibility experts = and interests in leading open-source development.
After reading t= his Planet Igalia recap http://frederic-wang.fr/review-of-= igalia-s-web-platform-activities-H1-2017.html I would say we need to tr= y showing more funding opportunities to Igalia also working together where = possible trying to stimulate their accessibility development with contribut= ion from other organizations like Hypra or F123 or even volunteers. Igalia = is awesome company, is known for a while and I hope when it can recognize a= dditional flow of funding the accessibility might again be seen as a bit hi= gher priority than it is being tackled right now.
Have you checke= d how much Hypra vision overlaps with theirs?
I would say this mi= ght really get interesting.
You can see they do still have some a= ccessibility top stars on their board.


<= div>Greetings

Peter

2017-11-20 19:14 GMT+01:00 Ferna= ndo Botelho <Fernando.Botelho@f123.org>:
I understand. Sorry for overlooking the obvious phil= osophical issues.

I will be in touch. F123 might be able to help sometime in 2018.

Fernando



On 11/20/2017 03:18 PM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote:
Hi Fernando,

Thanks for your support:


Le 20/11/2017 =C3=A0 17:56, Fernando Botelho a =C3=A9crit :
This would be a perfect match for FSF and friends. Have you tried
knocking on that door?
I do not have any contact, but if you have, I would be glad doing it. I
just do not know if they can invest anywhere. However if they just can
donate, accelibreinfo can get funds and become investor through this
donation. I also am afraid they do not want to support a not full-free
software project due to OCR and tts and Debian, they do not consider as
a free software distro. And I cannot fight for political reasons in such propposal.



I also support this wider and very public effort, it is just that these
are big numbers if we look at what has been raised in the past.
Right, hence our will to do differently. We want to focus on
non-regression tests before everything, then only work on bugs
themselves, in order to ensure that this investment is the last as
massive, but will be secure thanks our tests, lobbying in communities,
etc. Hence also the amount which could seem low in front have all the
work which needs to be done actually. For your info, many people invest
about 10 000 euros so far, or 5000.

Best regards,



Good luck,


Fernando



On 11/20/2017 02:29 PM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote:
signature_jp_2
Logo Hypra=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0JEAN-PHILIPPE MENGUAL
DIRECTEUR TECHNIQUE ET QUALIT=C3=89
102, rue des poissonniers, 75018, Paris
Tel : +331 84 73 06 61 <tel:+33184730661> Mob : +336 76 34 93 37
<tel:+33676349337>
jpmengual@hypra.fr<= /a> <mailto:jpme= ngual@hypra.fr>
www.hy= pra.fr <http://www.hypra.fr/>
Facebook Hypra <https://www.facebook.com/hyprasoftwa= re/> Twitter Hypra
<https://twitter.com/Hypra_> Linkedin Jean-Philippe
<https://fr.linkedin.com/in/jean-p= hilippe-mengual-800133135>

Hi,


With the departure of Luke, and before him Mario Lang, from GUI
accessibility development, I think we are few now to develop for free
software accessibility via classical GUI. I know much groups work on
other components (BRLTTY, Fenrir, Vinux, etc). Rare persons work on it
now: Joanmarie (thanks Igalia), Dave, Samuel, but except Joanmarie, it
is not fulltime and they are busy due to the massive work. And apps
devs are not yet aware of the problem related to accessibility.


Hypra tries to support this effort: to get a universally accessible
OS, we patch Compiz, we fixed some problems in MATE, Thunderbird,
Firefox, we report bugs (Libreoffice, Firefox), we try helping Debian
accessibility team. To do this, we have funded technicians such as
Samuel (not fulltime), and other devs, as well as a project manager in
low-vision matter.


We needed to use not-only free software for OCR and tts because, to
pay all this, we needed to sell some products, and basi users just
adopted GNU/Linux in such conditions: a quite excellent OCR and tts.
Thanks to this, we served about 100 persons to use free software now.
For them, sometimes we re-affected Orca bindings to make them closer
than Jaws. And of course, all our efforts are in free software area
(public repos).


We now would like to enforce our investment in improving free software
techno and increase the number of users of it. We will be supported by
French State up to 330 000 euros, provided that we find 200 000 euros
ourselves. Via crowd equity through our own platform, we have already
about 100 000 euros. If you want to get involved in this development
effort, you can invest in Hypra and contribute to free software
dynamic dev, speeding up it. With such funds, we will:

- pay for an additional dev;

- improve our communication about what we do to increase the number of
new free software users, supported by our service activities in their
daily usage.


Technically, the new dev, as well as Samuel, will:

- fix bugs in Firefox and Libreoffice (see Debian BTS for list of
identified bugs today);

- setting non-regression tests, to secure such fixes, in MATE,
Libreoffice and Firefox, and Thunderbird;

- improve the braille implementation, to enable using free software at
school in braille, in mathematics, musics, etc.


If this first effort is a success (eg we get investors, we dev
successfully what we said, and we increase our users number), the
future of accessibility free software dev will be nice I think:

- less workarounds or hacking in Orca, hence more time to dev new
features

- we will help PureOS, to get a free (libre) and accessible mobile phone;
- we will experience low-cost machines, to use other things as PCs
and, thus, be able to sell performant machines at less than 700 euros
(today, we dont have money to explore the most performant
configuration and how to set it to be confortable with a keyboard, a
screen for low-vision persons, etc).


Well, a lot of prospectives. Provided that we speed up our increasing,
via more users, and this fund raising. If we fail, we will not stop,
just we will be slower. Just afraid that if we are too slow, maybe it
will be so late, and given the impact of Google and Apple on
accessibility and privacy, I am worry for free software and user
respect. Because free software need to renew its staff, and it
probably is possible through the success of an economic ecosystem.


Don't hesitate contact me in private if the prospective interests you.<= br>

Best regards,









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Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/= stable/
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https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help= /stable/a11y.html
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--f403045f517c8ffc07055e7c741c-- From bmiv@ukr.net Tue Nov 21 11:32:31 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7532176287 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 11:32:31 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YF9QzP8v-l8Q for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 11:32:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from frv158.fwdcdn.com (frv158.fwdcdn.com [212.42.77.158]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B6AB76249 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 11:32:29 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ukr.net; s=fsm; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date :Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=BlBFYeKbGHdgYnsfVNSaxPaKsbxvtWJHIVs/hyezrng=; b=ZxGmuKpozQXt2oikKUq2f2amc9 NdPFVghHHbT0HyeHXo39pmedh7o6tSNO4NjzBCJFp1+j5cLiWrROGfAzYJiNUaNtlpEo6Xr3L0boi CBvDtNRRZCBYISpKXTRNCoQt63Z0On6+mPkmJ9etDeiee/eVCODsmsUGDFL5++dWoP/E=; Received: from 46-133-31-45.dialup.umc.net.ua ([46.133.31.45] helo=hcm.localdomain) by frv158.fwdcdn.com with esmtpsa ID 1eH6mv-000HCV-R8 ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 13:32:26 +0200 To: Paulina Gajoch , orca-list@gnome.org References: <50047a2f-ff63-6e6c-e835-320008e36ed8@o2.pl> From: Maksym Bilak Message-ID: <7cda595c-7a56-b061-b972-c2a2e260acd7@ukr.net> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 13:32:22 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <50047a2f-ff63-6e6c-e835-320008e36ed8@o2.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Authentication-Result: IP=46.133.31.45; mail.from=bmiv@ukr.net; dkim=pass; header.d=ukr.net Subject: Re: [orca-list] Gmail and subscribing Orca-list X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 11:32:31 -0000 Hello. Really: sometimes it happens that subscribing to the Orca mailing list is not successful. From GMail, I did not have such problems. However, with ukr.net - the problems were: I did not receive a letter with instructions on confirmation of the subscription. Joanye helped me subscribe to this mailing list. I can suggest that in order for the server to respond correctly to queries, the email address must meet certain criteria. For example - do not be too short ... Paulina Gajoch wrote: > Howdy, > > I have mail account on o2. But recently I signed up to gmail. > > I want to subscribe orca list on gmail account. I sent email to: > > orca-list-join@gnome.org > > and I don't get a confirm mail. > > How can I subscribe orca-list on gmail account? > > Greetings, > > Paulina > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From pvdeejay@gmail.com Tue Nov 21 12:03:19 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A37876292 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 12:03:19 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8l1bR7spynYp for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 12:03:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f50.google.com (mail-wm0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E325B76249 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 12:03:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-f50.google.com with SMTP id v186so2826340wma.2 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 04:03:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=UOlty3ldo61RPeicLVhqja2Ku3gyc3ZS55UOVOqN9y4=; b=WThxdvDTvWX+9NPeJTw9kq61osXN5dep8XwONJ6pxvHyPw9Sbqj1OwwSOVhEF8T1YQ NRzywpK8OtF3a/FeK6vP22gC5Yb4kieTFEwR4QbqNTBppps4WTY6dc+PcTOf9+jfVJwe 45SgOhH2fsnQ+fx1+Km7kZMovXSJxYX3jI92DLr/h+YsXu4hMVZ90+u05dJdi3boZcwj iLVRmRCFPbMTA8sVSgV4wyjbiI/sINlRgBcTaP09ehs9D1MRiyfTtdS8+ca24WB4vdu8 3f5v8zd9iTQPe0UrF/dP+1XBdB7L4to8nluqLBnAz7iDlKbRjALMk3Y9GZWljTqPSX0i 5xxA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=UOlty3ldo61RPeicLVhqja2Ku3gyc3ZS55UOVOqN9y4=; b=t8btGHQ9ZI2PPIOcsOVxCXBxJrRJ/XdAqN/pSQO9Pee1TnutRgBJeizINkZrpYBGnV /bzHrpyZMKFJDufg7iIWNpZ1/hDUs5JgGwrpf07swqlqu/sPuN78DChiSvf6FDUlNsoS D+XD0dlmsPwKt83TL+3g5+M7sp13cKYPLS5fopSOivOqfdcrY6sLXcV0kXIpek59V+iy siCHGAQ+FUJR5VifF70YC6Jl1ui8u1ehR+HfR2jw22c9ZMPCDv4N6Blo2BFfBXCIWw45 P6KZM5cOaBQW2kfW4tvAVR5dla1fal4FWThX0XCBQ0REivp4WnPNTo1JtuKtmgBUpcYY HmLA== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX5FvWNlgVl6qTTpMs8MRAf97pPusxQ6u8LucdPQE9Diw/1DvXj4 7UXAq2BmxaZTYmN78CyMPt8MljBWNFWPvDoSaDU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMaHqBWnK4+KCqv7DndB+0AjSmeuDdW4haAkSCR+SvIXVsRtKA7cmhychiv2ZGCUawX3KIgHpbbHxrYCnHBw5JU= X-Received: by 10.28.239.12 with SMTP id n12mr1028105wmh.140.1511265795114; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 04:03:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.184.76 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 04:03:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9c94fb41-c90a-b57b-c543-a0a6af341b10@poczta.onet.pl> References: <9c94fb41-c90a-b57b-c543-a0a6af341b10@poczta.onet.pl> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=C3=A1gner?= Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 13:03:14 +0100 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Zegan?= Cc: orca-list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="089e082f8b14e109fc055e7cfc9d" Subject: Re: [orca-list] slack probably inaccessible, maybe something happened in firefox 57? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 12:03:19 -0000 --089e082f8b14e109fc055e7cfc9d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I don't know Slack my-self, however I would like to get you to look at its competitor riot.im open-source, built on modern technologies with an ability to do group as well as direct chats including audio and video calls, end-to-end encryption and more. Android and web apps are very useable with some known accessibility issues. This is getting some use inside an huge open-source communities such as mozilla. I have also noticed Igalia is also adopting it perhaps in order to complement IRC based chats. disroot.org also features matrix.org / riot.im based chat. Greetings Peter 2017-11-21 12:24 GMT+01:00 Micha=C5=82 Zegan : > Hello. > > Slack seems to be inaccessible on new firefox, before it was far better. > You need access to any kind of slack channel. > When you join it, your focus goes to the message field, when you switch > to browse mode you should be able to navigate around, and previously it > was possible, but not it reacts... weird, and actually doesn't really wor= k. > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/ > gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > --089e082f8b14e109fc055e7cfc9d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,

I don't know Slac= k my-self, however I would like to get you to look at its competitor riot.im open-source, built on modern technologies = with an ability to do group as well as direct chats including audio and vid= eo calls, end-to-end encryption and more.
Android and web apps ar= e very useable with some known accessibility issues.
This is gett= ing some use inside an huge open-source communities such as mozilla. I have= also noticed Igalia is also adopting it perhaps in order to complement IRC= based chats.
disroot.org also= features matrix.org / riot.im based chat.

Greetings

Peter


2017-11-21 12:24 GMT+01:00 Micha=C5=82 Zeg= an <webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl>:
Hello.

Slack seems to be inaccessible on new firefox, before it was far better. You need access to any kind of slack channel.
When you join it, your focus goes to the message field, when you switch
to browse mode you should be able to navigate around, and previously it
was possible, but not it reacts... weird, and actually doesn't really w= ork.


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--089e082f8b14e109fc055e7cfc9d-- From webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl Tue Nov 21 12:13:43 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D87276287 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 12:13:43 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.011 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.011 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ay17tsQ1sLNY for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 12:13:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpo96.poczta.onet.pl (smtpo99.poczta.onet.pl [213.180.149.152]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 92C0E76249 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 12:13:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.18.3.109] (unknown [149.156.24.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl) by smtp.poczta.onet.pl (Onet) with ESMTPSA id 3yh4Hb3Qn0z1Pt9kF for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 13:13:30 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=poczta.onet.pl; s=2011; t=1511266411; bh=52Ww1HVC1jKC5rXcwJEchPcB8EPEmcGFv3ZedaVI9ss=; h=Subject:References:To:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=cjNg/OENu203ePTtN44vWpb88fYjS4FWNFf1ZR2LQPsYfzsTmvh3jmJrELA/HkfSW afkZ2jIT7ZaRCL6MBTU15ldPWZIfTQwqVFZpmYFK+AvCQVe5mk5c7A+fnSX/vuyUfU 2UC/BD+ZjFU0VoYE0ajNwmlCd6RTYVvCZth6SuW0= References: <9c94fb41-c90a-b57b-c543-a0a6af341b10@poczta.onet.pl> To: orca-list From: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=c5=82_Zegan?= Message-ID: <4da14e1f-f764-b628-fa0f-66d458a88939@poczta.onet.pl> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 13:13:30 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="hunDNE8xrNC7G9FgD4aV7dbb6FG1UmJrA" Subject: Re: [orca-list] slack probably inaccessible, maybe something happened in firefox 57? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 12:13:43 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --hunDNE8xrNC7G9FgD4aV7dbb6FG1UmJrA Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="fejiwfMALf66e6nacUKeF8Pwa1iwHemTN"; protected-headers="v1" From: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=c5=82_Zegan?= To: orca-list Message-ID: <4da14e1f-f764-b628-fa0f-66d458a88939@poczta.onet.pl> Subject: Re: [orca-list] slack probably inaccessible, maybe something happened in firefox 57? References: <9c94fb41-c90a-b57b-c543-a0a6af341b10@poczta.onet.pl> In-Reply-To: --fejiwfMALf66e6nacUKeF8Pwa1iwHemTN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You know that it does not matter if it is not you who chose the software, so... W dniu 21.11.2017 o=C2=A013:03, Peter V=C3=A1gner pisze: > Hello, >=20 > I don't know Slack my-self, however I would like to get you to look at > its competitor riot.im open-source, built on modern > technologies with an ability to do group as well as direct chats > including audio and video calls, end-to-end encryption and more. > Android and web apps are very useable with some known accessibility iss= ues. > This is getting some use inside an huge open-source communities such as= > mozilla. I have also noticed Igalia is also adopting it perhaps in orde= r > to complement IRC based chats. > disroot.org also features matrix.org > / riot.im based chat. >=20 > Greetings >=20 > Peter >=20 >=20 > 2017-11-21 12:24 GMT+01:00 Micha=C5=82 Zegan >: >=20 > Hello. >=20 > Slack seems to be inaccessible on new firefox, before it was far be= tter. > You need access to any kind of slack channel. > When you join it, your focus goes to the message field, when you sw= itch > to browse mode you should be able to navigate around, and previousl= y it > was possible, but not it reacts... weird, and actually doesn't > really work. >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >=20 >=20 --fejiwfMALf66e6nacUKeF8Pwa1iwHemTN-- --hunDNE8xrNC7G9FgD4aV7dbb6FG1UmJrA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; 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Tue, 21 Nov 2017 04:18:00 -0800 (PST) To: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=c5=82_Zegan?= , orca-list References: <9c94fb41-c90a-b57b-c543-a0a6af341b10@poczta.onet.pl> From: Alan Ghelardi Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:18:14 -0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9c94fb41-c90a-b57b-c543-a0a6af341b10@poczta.onet.pl> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------A53DA828F446DBF432AEEFB1" Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] slack probably inaccessible, maybe something happened in firefox 57? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 12:18:04 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A53DA828F446DBF432AEEFB1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Some friends are complaining about the accessibility of Firefox 57 on Windows systems. maybe there were accessibility regressions that affected some applications on Linux as well, although I haven't tested yet and can't confirm this. However the better way that I've found to use Slack on a computer was through a Emacs package called emacs-slack. It provides an excelent access to the majority of Slack features without accessibility problems. Obviously if you aren't an Emacs user there is no sense on using it just for getting access to Slack, but if you are, I strongly recommend having a look at it. My company uses Slack heavily and this package has saved my life since I was having lots of problems to interact with Slack with Firefox. By the way, the iPhone app also works relatively well. On 11/21/2017 09:24 AM, Michał Zegan wrote: > Hello. > > Slack seems to be inaccessible on new firefox, before it was far better. > You need access to any kind of slack channel. > When you join it, your focus goes to the message field, when you switch > to browse mode you should be able to navigate around, and previously it > was possible, but not it reacts... weird, and actually doesn't really work. > > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org --------------A53DA828F446DBF432AEEFB1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Some friends are complaining about the accessibility of Firefox 57 on Windows systems. maybe there were accessibility regressions that affected some applications on Linux as well, although I haven't tested yet and can't confirm this. However the better way that I've found to use Slack on a computer was through a Emacs package called emacs-slack. It provides an excelent access to the majority of Slack features without accessibility problems.


Obviously if you aren't an Emacs user there is no sense on using it just for getting access to Slack, but if you are, I strongly recommend having a look at it. My company uses Slack heavily and this package has saved my life since I was having lots of problems to interact with Slack with Firefox. By the way, the iPhone app also works relatively well.    


On 11/21/2017 09:24 AM, Michał Zegan wrote:
Hello.

Slack seems to be inaccessible on new firefox, before it was far better.
You need access to any kind of slack channel.
When you join it, your focus goes to the message field, when you switch
to browse mode you should be able to navigate around, and previously it
was possible, but not it reacts... weird, and actually doesn't really work.




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X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 12:49:54 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_54F01618-B8A0-4E33-8ACB-F26631CE0AFA Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I have tested it and yes, there are some accessibility issues.=20 > On Nov 21, 2017, at 7:18 AM, Alan Ghelardi = wrote: >=20 > Some friends are complaining about the accessibility of Firefox 57 on = Windows systems. maybe there were accessibility regressions that = affected some applications on Linux as well, although I haven't tested = yet and can't confirm this. However the better way that I've found to = use Slack on a computer was through a Emacs package called emacs-slack. = It provides an excelent access to the majority of Slack features without = accessibility problems. >=20 >=20 > Obviously if you aren't an Emacs user there is no sense on using it = just for getting access to Slack, but if you are, I strongly recommend = having a look at it. My company uses Slack heavily and this package has = saved my life since I was having lots of problems to interact with Slack = with Firefox. By the way, the iPhone app also works relatively well. =20= >=20 > On 11/21/2017 09:24 AM, Micha=C5=82 Zegan wrote: >> Hello. >>=20 >> Slack seems to be inaccessible on new firefox, before it was far = better. >> You need access to any kind of slack channel. >> When you join it, your focus goes to the message field, when you = switch >> to browse mode you should be able to navigate around, and previously = it >> was possible, but not it reacts... weird, and actually doesn't really = work. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list = >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca = >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ = >> GNOME Universal Access guide: = https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html = >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org = > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: = https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org --Apple-Mail=_54F01618-B8A0-4E33-8ACB-F26631CE0AFA Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 I = have tested it and yes, there are some accessibility issues. 

On Nov 21, 2017, at 7:18 AM, Alan Ghelardi <alan.ghelardi@gmail.com> wrote:

=20 =20

Some = friends are complaining about the accessibility of Firefox 57 on Windows systems. maybe there were accessibility regressions that affected some applications on Linux as well, although I haven't tested yet and can't confirm this. However the better way that I've found to use Slack on a computer was through a Emacs package called emacs-slack. It provides an excelent access to the majority of Slack features without accessibility problems.


Obviously if you aren't an Emacs user there is no = sense on using it just for getting access to Slack, but if you are, I strongly recommend having a look at it. My company uses Slack heavily and this package has saved my life since I was having lots of problems to interact with Slack with Firefox. By the way, the iPhone app also works relatively well.    


On 11/21/2017 09:24 AM, Micha=C5=82 = Zegan wrote:
Hello.

Slack seems to be inaccessible on new firefox, before it was far better.
You need access to any kind of slack channel.
When you join it, your focus goes to the message field, when you switch
to browse mode you should be able to navigate around, and previously it
was possible, but not it reacts... weird, and actually doesn't really =
work.




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= --Apple-Mail=_54F01618-B8A0-4E33-8ACB-F26631CE0AFA-- From jpmengual@hypra.fr Tue Nov 21 13:11:28 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BE4A76261 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 13:11:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, LOTS_OF_MONEY=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_REMOTE_IMAGE=0.01, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id emD8A3fNLsE0 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 13:11:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra.fr (hypra.fr [62.210.38.35]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A7B74760A0 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 13:11:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.10.190.62] (unknown [89.227.222.139]) by hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C7CD0580F5E; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 14:11:22 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hypra.fr; s=mail; t=1511269882; bh=3m45aFEpkf468F/nA0OOgq1A7z/NksoaT9ueswmeNuE=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=cHp2oEXoF0J9F8hDgaNQNUTKaEvHhisbaQpTBHvv/wSFRP58aZ/MMBebmEaX+jyGd EdzAzxKU1qzrUAqqpcfOIlj6Qlg1Im4nVYg9KxnPLWjtKBum65arvbD3rNW3YHcwCz OWrB7ed62nsfMLA2xdf1EB+6DD61F+H8vPA87OkU= To: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=c3=a1gner?= , Fernando Botelho Cc: orca References: <14867b74-68fb-5b64-8e87-660edfda2e28@hypra.fr> <01640626-43f3-736e-fd2d-814d0d659ded@F123.org> <5a0758f4-ffa2-0f96-f655-146b8f057c78@hypra.fr> <81298f4b-da4e-e362-007f-26075c124e34@F123.org> From: Jean-Philippe MENGUAL Organization: Hypra Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 14:11:21 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------717FE56F6F0296F91798EC81" Content-Language: fr-FR Subject: Re: [orca-list] Proposal of investment in free software accessibility X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 13:11:28 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------717FE56F6F0296F91798EC81 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Peter, I completely agree with your point: Igalia, F123 and Hypra could work together. The fact is that F123 and Hypra have few financial resources just now, because they focus on accessibility where it is difficult to build any economical model in a few time, and because in some countries, people have not money enough in general. Igalia has much more success, but they dedicate their resources to their workflow, obviously, focused on what they are ordered by customers. It seems they mainly work on Web stuff. It results they cannot get invoved in all the development projects where accessibility is needed. Typically we could not go together on a Libreoffice tender with non-regression tests due to lack of resources and uncertainness of result. And it is understandable, as their activity is not a11y-only focused. The purpose of this fund raising is then focusing financial resources in a focus-accessibility project, to get a long-term improvement via non-reg tests, and carried by an economical model to expand free software to blind and poor vision people, and to maintain this fund raising on a long-term via possible returns on investments, self-ativity, to get free software accessibility long-term funded, and not submitted to dated efforts as we experienced with Sun. Regards, Logo Hypra JEAN-PHILIPPE MENGUAL DIRECTEUR TECHNIQUE ET QUALIT=C3=89 102, rue des poissonniers, 75018, Paris Tel : +331 84 73 06 61 Mob : +336 76 34 93 37 jpmengual@hypra.fr www.hypra.fr Facebook Hypra =C2=A0Twitter Hyp= ra Linkedin Jean-Philippe Le 21/11/2017 =C3=A0 12:25, Peter V=C3=A1gner a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0: > Hey guys, > > I am sure hypra and f123 have great intentions, however I would say we > might do better when we manage to to do this even on a slightly higher > scale. > We need to raise a bit more awareness, we need more expertise and what > we need the most are contacts with other main stream developers where > we can try to motivate more accessibility developments. > Yesterday I had no suggestions because it seems there is no stable > company with accessibility experts and interests in leading > open-source development. > After reading this Planet Igalia recap > http://frederic-wang.fr/review-of-igalia-s-web-platform-activities-H1-2= 017.html > I would say we need to try showing more funding opportunities to > Igalia also working together where possible trying to stimulate their > accessibility development with contribution from other organizations > like Hypra or F123 or even volunteers. Igalia is awesome company, is > known for a while and I hope when it can recognize additional flow of > funding the accessibility might again be seen as a bit higher priority > than it is being tackled right now. > Have you checked how much Hypra vision overlaps with theirs? > I would say this might really get interesting. > You can see they do still have some accessibility top stars on their > board. > > > Greetings > > Peter > > 2017-11-20 19:14 GMT+01:00 Fernando Botelho >: > > I understand. Sorry for overlooking the obvious philosophical issue= s. > > I will be in touch. F123 might be able to help sometime in 2018. > > Fernando > > > > On 11/20/2017 03:18 PM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote: > > Hi Fernando, > > Thanks for your support: > > > Le 20/11/2017 =C3=A0 17:56, Fernando Botelho a =C3=A9crit : > > This would be a perfect match for FSF and friends. Have > you tried > knocking on that door? > > I do not have any contact, but if you have, I would be glad > doing it. I > just do not know if they can invest anywhere. However if they > just can > donate, accelibreinfo can get funds and become investor > through this > donation. I also am afraid they do not want to support a not > full-free > software project due to OCR and tts and Debian, they do not > consider as > a free software distro. And I cannot fight for political > reasons in such > propposal. > > > > I also support this wider and very public effort, it is > just that these > are big numbers if we look at what has been raised in the > past. > > Right, hence our will to do differently. We want to focus on > non-regression tests before everything, then only work on bugs > themselves, in order to ensure that this investment is the last= as > massive, but will be secure thanks our tests, lobbying in > communities, > etc. Hence also the amount which could seem low in front have > all the > work which needs to be done actually. For your info, many > people invest > about 10 000 euros so far, or 5000. > > Best regards, > > > > Good luck, > > > Fernando > > > > On 11/20/2017 02:29 PM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote: > > signature_jp_2 > Logo Hypra=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0JEAN-PHILIPPE MENGUAL > DIRECTEUR TECHNIQUE ET QUALIT=C3=89 > 102, rue des poissonniers, 75018, Paris > Tel : +331 84 73 06 61 > > Mob : +336 76 34 93 37 > > > > jpmengual@hypra.fr > >= > www.hypra.fr > Facebook Hypra > > Twitter Hypr= a > Linkedin Jean-Philippe > > > > Hi, > > > With the departure of Luke, and before him Mario Lang, > from GUI > accessibility development, I think we are few now to > develop for free > software accessibility via classical GUI. I know much > groups work on > other components (BRLTTY, Fenrir, Vinux, etc). Rare > persons work on it > now: Joanmarie (thanks Igalia), Dave, Samuel, but > except Joanmarie, it > is not fulltime and they are busy due to the massive > work. And apps > devs are not yet aware of the problem related to > accessibility. > > > Hypra tries to support this effort: to get a > universally accessible > OS, we patch Compiz, we fixed some problems in MATE, > Thunderbird, > Firefox, we report bugs (Libreoffice, Firefox), we try > helping Debian > accessibility team. To do this, we have funded > technicians such as > Samuel (not fulltime), and other devs, as well as a > project manager in > low-vision matter. > > > We needed to use not-only free software for OCR and > tts because, to > pay all this, we needed to sell some products, and > basi users just > adopted GNU/Linux in such conditions: a quite > excellent OCR and tts. > Thanks to this, we served about 100 persons to use > free software now. > For them, sometimes we re-affected Orca bindings to > make them closer > than Jaws. And of course, all our efforts are in free > software area > (public repos). > > > We now would like to enforce our investment in > improving free software > techno and increase the number of users of it. We will > be supported by > French State up to 330 000 euros, provided that we > find 200 000 euros > ourselves. Via crowd equity through our own platform, > we have already > about 100 000 euros. If you want to get involved in > this development > effort, you can invest in Hypra and contribute to free > software > dynamic dev, speeding up it. With such funds, we will: > > - pay for an additional dev; > > - improve our communication about what we do to > increase the number of > new free software users, supported by our service > activities in their > daily usage. > > > Technically, the new dev, as well as Samuel, will: > > - fix bugs in Firefox and Libreoffice (see Debian BTS > for list of > identified bugs today); > > - setting non-regression tests, to secure such fixes, > in MATE, > Libreoffice and Firefox, and Thunderbird; > > - improve the braille implementation, to enable using > free software at > school in braille, in mathematics, musics, etc. > > > If this first effort is a success (eg we get > investors, we dev > successfully what we said, and we increase our users > number), the > future of accessibility free software dev will be nice > I think: > > - less workarounds or hacking in Orca, hence more time > to dev new > features > > - we will help PureOS, to get a free (libre) and > accessible mobile phone; > > - we will experience low-cost machines, to use other > things as PCs > and, thus, be able to sell performant machines at less > than 700 euros > (today, we dont have money to explore the most performa= nt > configuration and how to set it to be confortable with > a keyboard, a > screen for low-vision persons, etc). > > > Well, a lot of prospectives. Provided that we speed up > our increasing, > via more users, and this fund raising. If we fail, we > will not stop, > just we will be slower. Just afraid that if we are too > slow, maybe it > will be so late, and given the impact of Google and > Apple on > accessibility and privacy, I am worry for free > software and user > respect. Because free software need to renew its > staff, and it > probably is possible through the success of an > economic ecosystem. > > > Don't hesitate contact me in private if the > prospective interests you. > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > Orca documentation: > https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.htm= l > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.= org > > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > --------------717FE56F6F0296F91798EC81 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi Peter,


I completely agree with your point: Igalia, F123 and Hypra could work together. The fact is that F123 and Hypra have few financial resources just now, because they focus on accessibility where it is difficult to build any economical model in a few time, and because in some countries, people have not money enough in general.


Igalia has much more success, but they dedicate their resources to their workflow, obviously, focused on what they are ordered by customers. It seems they mainly work on Web stuff. It results they cannot get invoved in all the development projects where accessibility is needed. Typically we could not go together on a Libreoffice tender with non-regression tests due to lack of resources and uncertainness of result. And it is understandable, as their activity is not a11y-only focused.


The purpose of this fund raising is then focusing financial resources in a focus-accessibility project, to get a long-term improvement via non-reg tests, and carried by an economical model to expand free software to blind and poor vision people, and to maintain this fund raising on a long-term via possible returns on investments, self-ativity, to get free software accessibility long-term funded, and not submitted to dated efforts as we experienced with Sun.


Regards,




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Le 21/11/2017 à 12:25, Peter Vágner a écrit :
Hey guys,

I am sure hypra and f123 have great intentions, however I would say we might do better when we manage to to do this even on a slightly higher scale.
We need to raise a bit more awareness, we need more expertise and what we need the most are contacts with other main stream developers where we can try to motivate more accessibility developments.
Yesterday I had no suggestions because it seems there is no stable company with accessibility experts and interests in leading open-source development.
After reading this Planet Igalia recap http://frederic-wang.fr/review-of-igalia-s-web-platform-activities-H1-2017.html I would say we need to try showing more funding opportunities to Igalia also working together where possible trying to stimulate their accessibility development with contribution from other organizations like Hypra or F123 or even volunteers. Igalia is awesome company, is known for a while and I hope when it can recognize additional flow of funding the accessibility might again be seen as a bit higher priority than it is being tackled right now.
Have you checked how much Hypra vision overlaps with theirs?
I would say this might really get interesting.
You can see they do still have some accessibility top stars on their board.


Greetings

Peter

2017-11-20 19:14 GMT+01:00 Fernando Botelho <Fernando.Botelho@f123.org>:
I understand. Sorry for overlooking the obvious philosophical issues.

I will be in touch. F123 might be able to help sometime in 2018.

Fernando



On 11/20/2017 03:18 PM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote:
Hi Fernando,

Thanks for your support:


Le 20/11/2017 à 17:56, Fernando Botelho a écrit :
This would be a perfect match for FSF and friends. Have you tried
knocking on that door?
I do not have any contact, but if you have, I would be glad doing it. I
just do not know if they can invest anywhere. However if they just can
donate, accelibreinfo can get funds and become investor through this
donation. I also am afraid they do not want to support a not full-free
software project due to OCR and tts and Debian, they do not consider as
a free software distro. And I cannot fight for political reasons in such
propposal.



I also support this wider and very public effort, it is just that these
are big numbers if we look at what has been raised in the past.
Right, hence our will to do differently. We want to focus on
non-regression tests before everything, then only work on bugs
themselves, in order to ensure that this investment is the last as
massive, but will be secure thanks our tests, lobbying in communities,
etc. Hence also the amount which could seem low in front have all the
work which needs to be done actually. For your info, many people invest
about 10 000 euros so far, or 5000.

Best regards,



Good luck,


Fernando



On 11/20/2017 02:29 PM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote:
signature_jp_2
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<tel:+33676349337>
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Hi,


With the departure of Luke, and before him Mario Lang, from GUI
accessibility development, I think we are few now to develop for free
software accessibility via classical GUI. I know much groups work on
other components (BRLTTY, Fenrir, Vinux, etc). Rare persons work on it
now: Joanmarie (thanks Igalia), Dave, Samuel, but except Joanmarie, it
is not fulltime and they are busy due to the massive work. And apps
devs are not yet aware of the problem related to accessibility.


Hypra tries to support this effort: to get a universally accessible
OS, we patch Compiz, we fixed some problems in MATE, Thunderbird,
Firefox, we report bugs (Libreoffice, Firefox), we try helping Debian
accessibility team. To do this, we have funded technicians such as
Samuel (not fulltime), and other devs, as well as a project manager in
low-vision matter.


We needed to use not-only free software for OCR and tts because, to
pay all this, we needed to sell some products, and basi users just
adopted GNU/Linux in such conditions: a quite excellent OCR and tts.
Thanks to this, we served about 100 persons to use free software now.
For them, sometimes we re-affected Orca bindings to make them closer
than Jaws. And of course, all our efforts are in free software area
(public repos).


We now would like to enforce our investment in improving free software
techno and increase the number of users of it. We will be supported by
French State up to 330 000 euros, provided that we find 200 000 euros
ourselves. Via crowd equity through our own platform, we have already
about 100 000 euros. If you want to get involved in this development
effort, you can invest in Hypra and contribute to free software
dynamic dev, speeding up it. With such funds, we will:

- pay for an additional dev;

- improve our communication about what we do to increase the number of
new free software users, supported by our service activities in their
daily usage.


Technically, the new dev, as well as Samuel, will:

- fix bugs in Firefox and Libreoffice (see Debian BTS for list of
identified bugs today);

- setting non-regression tests, to secure such fixes, in MATE,
Libreoffice and Firefox, and Thunderbird;

- improve the braille implementation, to enable using free software at
school in braille, in mathematics, musics, etc.


If this first effort is a success (eg we get investors, we dev
successfully what we said, and we increase our users number), the
future of accessibility free software dev will be nice I think:

- less workarounds or hacking in Orca, hence more time to dev new
features

- we will help PureOS, to get a free (libre) and accessible mobile phone;

- we will experience low-cost machines, to use other things as PCs
and, thus, be able to sell performant machines at less than 700 euros
(today, we dont have money to explore the most performant
configuration and how to set it to be confortable with a keyboard, a
screen for low-vision persons, etc).


Well, a lot of prospectives. Provided that we speed up our increasing,
via more users, and this fund raising. If we fail, we will not stop,
just we will be slower. Just afraid that if we are too slow, maybe it
will be so late, and given the impact of Google and Apple on
accessibility and privacy, I am worry for free software and user
respect. Because free software need to renew its staff, and it
probably is possible through the success of an economic ecosystem.


Don't hesitate contact me in private if the prospective interests you.


Best regards,









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Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
GNOME Universal Access guide:
https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org


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Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
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--------------717FE56F6F0296F91798EC81-- From jheim@math.wisc.edu Tue Nov 21 15:03:19 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9ADA76304 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 15:03:19 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Yqq9z4t72V-K for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 15:03:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpauth2.wiscmail.wisc.edu (wmauth2.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.197.222]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 73B6A761DF for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 15:03:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [144.92.166.66] (nitschke.math.wisc.edu [144.92.166.66]) by smtpauth2.wiscmail.wisc.edu (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.0.1.1.0 64bit (built Jun 15 2016)) with ESMTPSA id <0OZR00AAEWHFVT00@smtpauth2.wiscmail.wisc.edu> for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 09:03:15 -0600 (CST) X-Spam-PmxInfo: Server=avs-2, Version=6.3.3.2656215, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.2107409, Antispam-Data: 2017.11.21.145116, AntiVirus-Engine: 5.38.0, AntiVirus-Data: 2017.6.27.5380000, SenderIP=[144.92.166.66] Reply-to: jheim@math.wisc.edu To: orca References: <7485234d-4965-2843-faa9-e17af6785f5e@microlitesoftware.co.uk> <54792b01-ca54-f7f0-22cc-657f9237ff93@gmail.com> <3A15E1CD-C634-457F-8E80-138BC4918CF6@gmail.com> <7b106773-793d-0cdf-146a-dd018d49e82d@microlitesoftware.co.uk> From: John G Heim Message-id: <16d88bd1-5f43-01ab-15d8-e05117ebf84f@math.wisc.edu> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 09:03:15 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-version: 1.0 In-reply-to: <7b106773-793d-0cdf-146a-dd018d49e82d@microlitesoftware.co.uk> Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-language: en-US Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Virtualisation software that works well with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 15:03:19 -0000 Sorry for the late reply but I was out of town last week. I use virtualbox all the time. But I do almost everything via the command line. The GUI for virtualbox has some problems but it's not totally unusable. I think you can do everything via the command line though. I'm not sure how virtualbox's support for sound compares to other hypervisors. Sound can be tricky in virtualbox virtual machines. I have never been able to finx an incantation that works every time. It always seems to me that one configuration works on one virtual machine and does not work the next time I try it. There are a lot of different combinations of parameters to set so it can be a difficult process to find the right one depending on the host and guest operating system. I suspect that is something you just have to live with on virtual machines in general. I haven't used vmware in a long time but it was the same thing then. I used to have a heck of a time getting sound working in a vmware virtual machine. done. On 11/17/2017 04:41 AM, Nick Wood wrote: > Thanks both - I'll try Virt-Manager and VirtualBox - it's been a long > time since I've tried VirtualBox so maybe it works better these days > with Orca. > > Thanks, > > Nick > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From alan.ghelardi@gmail.com Tue Nov 21 15:56:55 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE747632A for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 15:56:55 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LEQyxGh0wkJ5 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 15:56:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qk0-f175.google.com (mail-qk0-f175.google.com [209.85.220.175]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F2B1976316 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 15:56:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qk0-f175.google.com with SMTP id j202so12669855qke.10 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 07:56:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=llnagv4I4+L4OBEo0arQdLPLS5ABK9cua0oRYtxPCJ4=; b=jHuWVkf99MVRA4ctxQG4PA5QCdLoSHzmA2FJ6doTwkK6MZ4yTxDxv7dXodyepW1VJY vW/VOQqmN7aY20YN2xVgb3Fb1eu4Sy729mdqaUE/TCkGpOTxD6MxQkFXJPktF6k+Kt+e QCYtvq2+cSQUv/p8PG6wedgX98w55//se1XAa4M1h47EOiouGGKkxfhKNayH++GRxapL VDgGsyA20D8DhheXku+tYwvdKCJ6LjDfjepk5WORRfndHn7kbXDpeV+oaNmWry5R0jEI PeCHhuLeFYIg1+xMviVEnfhDrqhzi/Nl6NUeBkB3+9madX0wPoQaaSinSAG7QwzS24jk o7/Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=llnagv4I4+L4OBEo0arQdLPLS5ABK9cua0oRYtxPCJ4=; b=MeuVH/O5O2TPnlV2vdrysplozVNKXATG1+fIwajoTzW61fmkrbaxFK+3FeqSU0V77i kDcVB20Co8XoSvcf80Skk6fOUqJ/Lx9C9WRwcSnT9tPSb4c6UWIQhFjD3Ldh/VwO/L7y geYH+F8oiTW1crdLiNjsr3OKJJr/rhwB1WKhpjMZheCUOUnDRNMMSOYF4u+1eJUKFzLl qFrWZh63vFKMF+dZdqlPlZZ9MWUNfftphxLZFL2r/1za2i+n9TqrRPVqBx7VI3c0EiAo UXYBtbVB/xvKZQ1ltK6dknROf3la+tns7BmRaRQmrHn+CXVR43oTMsuLsLPm2a2nEtd6 gOoQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX6yyobEVFa4xDrC3n2bRBiW4ks0eqKXImuxt2bBndtwYQFE4p0O pJCDKLrV4lthwRZr1gK4t18iyrEE X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMYJE1TGM7t/osZ/m6V4Ub2v3NtOm1hBQSAZzXlehrOfAKeUZR/Mo8v7toVtLUDLLLUAaa5B2g== X-Received: by 10.55.144.130 with SMTP id s124mr10037448qkd.290.1511279812615; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 07:56:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.19.193.125] ([201.85.54.178]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s41sm8362970qtk.37.2017.11.21.07.56.50 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 21 Nov 2017 07:56:52 -0800 (PST) To: covici@ccs.covici.com Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=c5=82_Zegan?= , orca-list References: <9c94fb41-c90a-b57b-c543-a0a6af341b10@poczta.onet.pl> From: Alan Ghelardi Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 13:57:04 -0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] slack probably inaccessible, maybe something happened in firefox 57? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 15:56:56 -0000 Have a look at: https://github.com/yuya373/emacs-slack. The Github page has everything that you need to get started. On 11/21/2017 01:46 PM, John Covici wrote: > hmmm, I tried installing slack melpa package, but could not find any > documentation or any way how to use it. Is the emacs-slack different > from this one? > > On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 07:18:14 -0500, > Alan Ghelardi wrote: >> [1 ] >> [1.1 ] >> [1.2 ] >> Some friends are complaining about the accessibility of Firefox 57 on Windows systems. maybe there were accessibility regressions that affected some applications on Linux as well, although I haven't tested yet and can't confirm this. >> However the better way that I've found to use Slack on a computer was through a Emacs package called emacs-slack. It provides an excelent access to the majority of Slack features without accessibility problems. >> >> Obviously if you aren't an Emacs user there is no sense on using it just for getting access to Slack, but if you are, I strongly recommend having a look at it. My company uses Slack heavily and this package has saved my life since I was >> having lots of problems to interact with Slack with Firefox. By the way, the iPhone app also works relatively well. >> >> On 11/21/2017 09:24 AM, Micha Zegan wrote: >> >> Hello. >> >> Slack seems to be inaccessible on new firefox, before it was far better. >> You need access to any kind of slack channel. >> When you join it, your focus goes to the message field, when you switch >> to browse mode you should be able to navigate around, and previously it >> was possible, but not it reacts... weird, and actually doesn't really work. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> >> [2 ] >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From janina@rednote.net Tue Nov 21 16:11:31 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3E447632A for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:11:31 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.012 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.012 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M23vsZupinAu for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:11:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from opera.rednote.net (opera.rednote.net [66.228.34.147]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C1CC76316 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:11:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rednote.net (localhost [IPv6:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1]) by opera.rednote.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id vALGBS6G029969 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:11:28 GMT DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 opera.rednote.net vALGBS6G029969 Authentication-Results: opera.rednote.net; dmarc=pass (p=reject dis=none) header.from=rednote.net Authentication-Results: opera.rednote.net; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=janina@rednote.net DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 opera.rednote.net vALGBS6G029969 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=rednote.net; s=default; t=1511280688; bh=xtOLkfP30mFfXzbGak8R6UwOrXOo36cDsclYv46x19A=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=ZVkgn9/TO+q9dfHtHhbHv4l6vvmj2bbWgGqBLisT+m1gFtZM77DttVpa0chK1uj0t PBVx9u0G5WvzkJUUrqwkRlA731GX1ZQfXOH/uMtMaQj95Boet89r3mww2VDpOrrbJE GKMovcbQp8/9IUVuaXiKXVU3/2CcqXPFUZQ7xXVI= Received: (from janina@localhost) by rednote.net (8.15.2/8.14.6/Submit) id vALGBS1X029968 for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 11:11:28 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 11:11:28 -0500 From: Janina Sajka To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20171121161128.GA4885@rednote.net> References: <7485234d-4965-2843-faa9-e17af6785f5e@microlitesoftware.co.uk> <54792b01-ca54-f7f0-22cc-657f9237ff93@gmail.com> <3A15E1CD-C634-457F-8E80-138BC4918CF6@gmail.com> <7b106773-793d-0cdf-146a-dd018d49e82d@microlitesoftware.co.uk> <16d88bd1-5f43-01ab-15d8-e05117ebf84f@math.wisc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <16d88bd1-5f43-01ab-15d8-e05117ebf84f@math.wisc.edu> X-Operating-System: Linux opera.rednote.net 4.9.50-x86_64-linode86 User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Virtualisation software that works well with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:11:31 -0000 All the complexity with sound on Linux has kept me away from graphical vms hosted on Linux. I had very few issues with sound on my Mac Airbook using VMware. So, I'm very interested to hear Mike propose qemu. I know that's very reliable for console clients. But, Mike, are you actually getting sound, including TTS, from qemu guest vms? Can you run NVDA in a Windows guest on a Linux qemu host, for instance? Janina John G Heim writes: > Sorry for the late reply but I was out of town last week. I use virtualbox > all the time. But I do almost everything via the command line. The GUI for > virtualbox has some problems but it's not totally unusable. I think you can > do everything via the command line though. I'm not sure how virtualbox's > support for sound compares to other hypervisors. Sound can be tricky in > virtualbox virtual machines. I have never been able to finx an incantation > that works every time. It always seems to me that one configuration works on > one virtual machine and does not work the next time I try it. There are a > lot of different combinations of parameters to set so it can be a difficult > process to find the right one depending on the host and guest operating > system. I suspect that is something you just have to live with on virtual > machines in general. I haven't used vmware in a long time but it was the > same thing then. I used to have a heck of a time getting sound working in a > vmware virtual machine. > > done. > > > On 11/17/2017 04:41 AM, Nick Wood wrote: > > Thanks both - I'll try Virt-Manager and VirtualBox - it's been a long > > time since I've tried VirtualBox so maybe it works better these days > > with Orca. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Nick > > > > _______________________________________________ > > orca-list mailing list > > orca-list@gnome.org > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > GNOME Universal Access guide: > > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net Email: janina@rednote.net Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa From alexarnaud@hypra.fr Tue Nov 21 16:11:36 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7059763DB for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:11:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.012 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.012 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ooE9A9ynSKY6 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:11:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra.fr (hypra.fr [62.210.38.35]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 86E227648E for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:11:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.10.190.4] (unknown [89.227.222.139]) by hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2DD91580F5E; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 17:11:32 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hypra.fr; s=mail; t=1511280692; bh=3RcAASWDmne3veu7WE78FSk3bnztclSjegke16oQ8mg=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=nC0KG39BsSTeQ+PS059UzCPktOZNWEpfswmTpQGn4AxbNUOFAyB0GKEsk256zPiH5 xLS45gTOUC6YwAfF3A5VKPZgT27eqh1AiVgIhEMMOKvjSdLU28FIuBO6bVTbrso4gC HYT0AvLSVeD5eHMIoCrHxwtqGebD/8X6OKlhzk48= To: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=c5=82_Zegan?= , orca-list References: <9c94fb41-c90a-b57b-c543-a0a6af341b10@poczta.onet.pl> From: Alex ARNAUD Organization: Hypra Message-ID: <2ebd4601-669a-ac7e-2fe0-2f3500459bfc@hypra.fr> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 17:12:12 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9c94fb41-c90a-b57b-c543-a0a6af341b10@poczta.onet.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] slack probably inaccessible, maybe something happened in firefox 57? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:11:37 -0000 Are you using the extension from NV Access to increase the a11y of Slack? Best regards. -- Alex ARNAUD Visual-Impairment Project Manager Hypra - "Humanizing technology" Le 21/11/2017 à 12:24, Michał Zegan a écrit : > Hello. > > Slack seems to be inaccessible on new firefox, before it was far better. > You need access to any kind of slack channel. > When you join it, your focus goes to the message field, when you switch > to browse mode you should be able to navigate around, and previously it > was possible, but not it reacts... weird, and actually doesn't really work. > > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > From webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl Tue Nov 21 16:14:50 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F88D7632A for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:14:50 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.011 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.011 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CQgoNhppi2HA for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:14:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpo109.poczta.onet.pl (smtpo109.poczta.onet.pl [213.180.149.162]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 16DD476316 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:14:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.106] (unknown [193.200.46.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl) by smtp.poczta.onet.pl (Onet) with ESMTPSA id 3yh9ds5ZqRzsHSkT; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 17:14:41 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=poczta.onet.pl; s=2011; t=1511280882; bh=E6XBwUFeWTPLW8RURqYVFLea6L6S8w/hiSwfTpdWPfk=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=fuW14k5oaIymR/dZ4HpUZ+bW+d3xgEbgue4BUatElzvToVlHlmOhUdrRhWcUUQ4N5 eynDxx+FowUuAmiDR4z+PZ69iqMJaqb1sf/5eCxj4uLhrqXrPAmdXavo9MJ28zXZ6/ 8qVkOo2ykEexo72e2Q8gMTnRMS77+dOSWZ6XKbnU= To: Alex ARNAUD , orca-list References: <9c94fb41-c90a-b57b-c543-a0a6af341b10@poczta.onet.pl> <2ebd4601-669a-ac7e-2fe0-2f3500459bfc@hypra.fr> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=c5=82_Zegan?= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 17:14:40 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2ebd4601-669a-ac7e-2fe0-2f3500459bfc@hypra.fr> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="sELg63ATD9u4QfdtqDFeDKwkQd3j9VKbv" Subject: Re: [orca-list] slack probably inaccessible, maybe something happened in firefox 57? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:14:50 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --sELg63ATD9u4QfdtqDFeDKwkQd3j9VKbv Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="qlP55Qp7ftF9D1dU2TE0BXI0I0QrdflB1"; protected-headers="v1" From: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=c5=82_Zegan?= To: Alex ARNAUD , orca-list Message-ID: Subject: Re: [orca-list] slack probably inaccessible, maybe something happened in firefox 57? References: <9c94fb41-c90a-b57b-c543-a0a6af341b10@poczta.onet.pl> <2ebd4601-669a-ac7e-2fe0-2f3500459bfc@hypra.fr> In-Reply-To: <2ebd4601-669a-ac7e-2fe0-2f3500459bfc@hypra.fr> --qlP55Qp7ftF9D1dU2TE0BXI0I0QrdflB1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable honestly, slack worked before. Not so good as it could/should, but worked. Now at ff 57, well, it seems no longer to read most things it read before, moving using a browse mode is somehow broken there and it was never the case. Unless it was this one single firefox launch that caused it. W dniu 21.11.2017 o=C2=A017:12, Alex ARNAUD pisze: > Are you using the extension from NV Access to increase the a11y of Slac= k? >=20 > Best regards. --qlP55Qp7ftF9D1dU2TE0BXI0I0QrdflB1-- --sELg63ATD9u4QfdtqDFeDKwkQd3j9VKbv Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQFPBAEBCAA5FiEE8PeJXyv9t1Bfiq63mRxoPZnIFPkFAloUUPAbHHdlYmN6YXRf MjAwQHBvY3p0YS5vbmV0LnBsAAoJEJkcaD2ZyBT5rQ4H/iZruRpqacY88AC74ex8 259QzZf1nhG7c2qbyE5pJPbxY3loJ5jPODObIyMPiVeruwRPpAoJBWSYcdca0gEO kvGSyRmpSbMjuL67do4LJNAcRuD3Pv2QuHeRLGVdoXqYfsuwmejZKeoJdg1M2JtT 2Uv+yHS5Vc9NMQg4gHX8LJ6XTCI8B9Xe4f3mp7pgsM0qfkGZtTKRyfaONovgcJmK xzhn5QGw+hLUufwjzTc1NmsUCo6isRoekaoSqjOSoCMqvRoQhtAg1y7FUFZc/+SF 924GaYllsut2VlsH6EobjWCj1rG/9wbXLdIOqVRAUSTNe8+vFZTVa04EaJR2Exkp 6n0= =wPLr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --sELg63ATD9u4QfdtqDFeDKwkQd3j9VKbv-- From janina@rednote.net Tue Nov 21 16:21:31 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5B517632A for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:21:31 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.012 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.012 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jg2OeDVuxGps for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:21:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from opera.rednote.net (opera.rednote.net [66.228.34.147]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 16A0C76316 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:21:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rednote.net (localhost [IPv6:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1]) by opera.rednote.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id vALGLRai030274 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:21:27 GMT DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 opera.rednote.net vALGLRai030274 Authentication-Results: opera.rednote.net; dmarc=pass (p=reject dis=none) header.from=rednote.net Authentication-Results: opera.rednote.net; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=janina@rednote.net DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 opera.rednote.net vALGLRai030274 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=rednote.net; s=default; t=1511281287; bh=xAo/hGmgTqtUqQVOxF6Isn2f9oP915x33TzBdm3cDhg=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=JnkNp7rgzeR6NZjsk4VPjWeokj2xeSEbUnqvod1om0WDyCtWvM5bhki283yGqp76S cHsq3/VKi41lD4tX7XwFksy7i12GCG1zH+KIoKj/l7PvLVrrB8xQoPW2QLQXpI+S7M scu63B9rkLMQATcm7PyFKRUBemRZPw7T9zEHWiN8= Received: (from janina@localhost) by rednote.net (8.15.2/8.14.6/Submit) id vALGLR1l030272; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 11:21:27 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 11:21:27 -0500 From: Janina Sajka To: Peter =?iso-8859-1?Q?V=E1gner?= Cc: chrys , orca-list Message-ID: <20171121162127.GQ4879@rednote.net> References: <20170819175629.GD13793@rednote.net> <20170819182431.GG13787@rednote.net> <8b3aac06-9cfe-633e-adca-0605f70c8089@linux-a11y.org> <7374bc7b-a252-20e1-8c20-14f1ae888e35@math.wisc.edu> <2395db87-fc75-e6d4-1dff-9a0bff5f1462@linux-a11y.org> <20171115150343.GA23584@rednote.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: Linux opera.rednote.net 4.9.50-x86_64-linode86 User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) Subject: Re: [orca-list] ALSA Card Ordering [Was: I hate pulse] X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:21:31 -0000 Thanks, Peter. I will play around with your suggestions sometime soon. For now I just want to acknowledge your email and thank you for taking the time to provide concrete suggestions. Part of the problem with trying out new things on a machine with 4-5 audio cards, is that there's a reason for putting so many cards on one system in the first place. They're doing very specific things for me, and it's a bit hard to find the time to put all that at risk while trying out something new. But, I will get there sometime before year's end, and I will happily rely on your good advice when I do that. Thanks again. To be continued! Best, Janina Peter Vágner writes: > Hello Janina, > > By default pulseaudio is configured through its main configuration file at > /etc/pulse/default.pa to dynamically load all the modules corresponding > with your hardware taking over all the available sound devices. > If you only would like to configure it to load concrete driver modules for > a few devices you would like it to hijack you can create your user specific > ~/.config/pulse/default.pa commenting out parts which are controlling the > autodetection and manually loading those driver modules and those feature > specific modules you do care about. > The file /etc/pulse/default.pa contains usefull examples with some comments > alongside them so I think you will realize how the puzzle will stick > together when you combine it with the knowledge on alsa device ordering you > have explained to us a few months ago. > For example you might like to comment out this... > ### Automatically load driver modules depending on the hardware available > .ifexists module-udev-detect.so > load-module module-udev-detect > .else > ### Use the static hardware detection module (for systems that lack udev > support) > load-module module-detect > .endif > and you might like to uncomment and modify this instead > ### Load audio drivers statically > ### (it's probably better to not load these drivers manually, but instead > ### use module-udev-detect -- see below -- for doing this automatically) > #load-module module-alsa-sink > #load-module module-alsa-source device=hw:1,0 > And depending on what you are trying to do you may also like to optionally > uncomment > #load-module module-null-sink > #load-module module-pipe-sink > > By learning this and making pulse work for you, combining it with its > ability to be controlled via pacmd cli utility pulseaudio might become your > new Mackie if you will have problems finding a device featuring classic > radio style controls and knobs. > I am occassionally thinking about your sound setup as you have described it > a few months ago and this is definatelly one of the directions you should > try exploring. > I have always wanted to point it out gently so you might like to consider > something like this however I was not sure you will like it so depending on > my current mood I was putting it aside all the time. > Now you have shown your interest in this direction so I've changed my mind > a bit. > I don't have much more experiences with setting up a sound system, however > I do like pulseaudio so if you are happy to talk with someone else who is > thinking from the other end to yours please just ask. I think we may have > fun trying out new ways on how to make it work. > > Greetings > > Peter > > > 2017-11-15 16:03 GMT+01:00 Janina Sajka via orca-list : > > > Chrys: > > > > I've kept your message from August around because I've found it useful. > > Thank you. > > > > Quick question: Do you know of a cli way of telling pulse to ignore > > certain cards and use certain others instead? For instance, how can I tell > > pulse to > > limit itself to cards 2 and 3, and leave 0, 1 and 4 alone? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Janina > > > > chrys writes: > > > Howdy, > > > > > > you can get all your soundcards with > > > pactl list short sinks > > > or more detailed with: > > > pacmd list-sinks > > > > > > to set a new default device use: > > > pacmd set-default-sink > > > the index is the number on the beginning of the line of pactl list short > > > sinks > > > > > > if the wrong soundcard is set you can run those commans via SSH. > > > it remembers the default but if you dont trust and want to be sure that a > > > special device is set you can place it as start script > > > > > > i also wrote a small script and bound it to an bash and gnome shortcut to > > > cycle between all soundcards (maybe its useful for you or others) > > > ---- script start ------ > > > #!/bin/bash > > > > > > sinks=(`pacmd list-sinks | sed -n -e > > > 's/\**[[:space:]]index:[[:space:]]\([[:digit:]]\)/\1/p'`) > > > sinks_count=${#sinks[@]} > > > active_sink_index=`pacmd list-sinks | sed -n -e > > > 's/\*[[:space:]]index:[[:space:]]\([[:digit:]]\)/\1/p'` > > > newSink=${sinks[0]} > > > ord=0 > > > > > > while [ $ord -lt $sinks_count ]; > > > do > > > echo ${sinks[$ord]} > > > if [ ${sinks[$ord]} -gt $active_sink_index ] ; then > > > newSink=${sinks[$ord]} > > > break > > > fi > > > let ord++ > > > done > > > > > > # move current running streams to the new device > > > pactl list short sink-inputs|while read stream; do > > > streamId=$(echo $stream|cut '-d ' -f1) > > > echo "moving stream $streamId" > > > pactl move-sink-input "$streamId" "$newSink" > > > done > > > pacmd set-default-sink "$newSink" > > > --- script end---- > > > > > > Am 20.08.2017 um 18:01 schrieb John G. Heim: > > > > Well, it's kind of hard to reconfigure pulse when you have no sound. > > > > Again, at least 3 times in the past year or 2, I've lost sound, had to > > > > use ssh to get into my computer, and remove the ~/.config/pulse/ > > folder. > > > > I didn't make up the solution, I found it on this list. So I am not the > > > > only one. It's a problem. Lets not act like it's not. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know, I speculated pulse's problems were due to it not being > > > > possible to guarantee the order in which hardware devices are > > > > discovered. Maybe that's wrong but it's not really to the point. > > > > Somebody says pulse has a prioritizing algorithm which seems reasonable > > > > to me. But that algorithm probably at least somewhat depends on the > > > > order in which ards are discovered. I don't know how it could be > > > > otherwise and there certainly seems to be amount of randomness in it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 08/19/2017 01:39 PM, chrys wrote: > > > > > Howdy, > > > > > > > > > > sorry but that is just bullshit lol. Also PA does not choose an > > > > > random sound card. it uses that one that you defined as default. > > > > > You also can set output devices and prioritys by scripting or > > > > > configuration like in alsa... so that argument is just wrong. > > > > > cheers chrys > > > > > Am 19.08.2017 um 20:24 schrieb Janina Sajka via orca-list: > > > > > > Micha: > > > > > > > > > > > > For me this is yet another reason to stay away from pulse. The last > > > > > > thing I need with 5 sound cards is having some bot deciding which > > ones > > > > > > should do what, and in what order. I have no use for machines that > > > > > > ignore my specified configurations to make up their own. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In other words, this is just another way for things to break. > > > > > > > > > > > > Janina > > > > > > > > > > > > Michał Zegan writes: > > > > > > > actually from what i know, pulseaudio does not go by ordering, > > but it > > > > > > > prioritizes cards based on type like internal card vs usb card vs > > > > > > > whatever... etc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W dniu 19.08.2017 o 19:56, Janina Sajka via orca-list pisze: > > > > > > > > Hi, John: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I noted one comment in your post re pulseaudio that I want to > > respond > > > > > > > > to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John G Heim writes: > > > > > > > > > ... you can never guarantee that hardware > > > > > > > > > devices are discovered in the same order. ... > > > > > > > > No, but you can control the card order they're assigned, e.g. > > via > > > > > > > > /etc/modprobe.d/alsa.conf using vid= and pid= params for > > multiple USB > > > > > > > > sound cards. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The best on line summary of available approaches I've > > > > > > > > found to date is > > > > > > > > at: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleCards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm currently working through the above as I have a nagging > > problem > > > > > > > > every time I'm forced to reboot, e.g. after installing a new > > Linux > > > > > > > > kernel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My problem is that my hda device isn't always > > > > > > > > discovered. This morning I > > > > > > > > ran a system update and had to reboot some 30 times > > > > > > > > before my Intel-810 > > > > > > > > hda device was discovered. I've looked in the logs. The > > > > > > > > problem is the > > > > > > > > system is literally not seeing the device on most boots, yet > > once > > > > > > > > loaded, it runs perfectly for days and weeks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to the above referenced article, there are > > > > > > > > approaches I might > > > > > > > > try to resolve my problem without rebooting. And, it seems my > > current > > > > > > > > ordering config code could be updated, too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nevertheless, I offer my current code because it does > > > > > > > > work to reliably > > > > > > > > order my 5 sound devices. The always come up in the > > > > > > > > order defined below. > > > > > > > > My only issue is whether, or not card 0 has been found, else > > the > > > > > > > > remaining devices are shifted by 1--which doesn't help > > > > > > > > my situation as I > > > > > > > > need the headset to match my configured FreeSwitch > > > > > > > > config, just as one > > > > > > > > example. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alias snd-card-0 snd-hd-intel > > > > > > > > options snd-card-0 index=0 > > > > > > > > options snd-hda-intel id=PCH index=0 > > > > > > > > alias snd-card-1 headset > > > > > > > > options snd-card-1 index=1 > > > > > > > > options snd-usb-audio index=1 vid=0x1395 pid=0x3556 > > > > > > > > alias snd-card-2 cmedia > > > > > > > > options snd-card-2 index=2 > > > > > > > > options snd-usb-audio index=2 vid=0x0d8c pid=0x000c > > > > > > > > alias snd-card-3 ice > > > > > > > > options snd-card-3 index=3 > > > > > > > > options snd-ice1724 index=3 > > > > > > > > alias snd-card-4 hdsp > > > > > > > > options snd-card-4 index=4 > > > > > > > > options snd-hdsp index=4 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > orca-list mailing list > > > > > > > > orca-list@gnome.org > > > > > > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > > > > > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > > > > > > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > > > > > > > GNOME Universal Access guide: > > > > > > > > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > > > > > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > orca-list mailing list > > > > > orca-list@gnome.org > > > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > > > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > > > > GNOME Universal Access guide: > > > > > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > orca-list mailing list > > > orca-list@gnome.org > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/ > > gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > > > -- > > > > Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 > > sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net > > Email: janina@rednote.net > > > > Linux Foundation Fellow > > Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org > > > > The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) > > Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa > > > > _______________________________________________ > > orca-list mailing list > > orca-list@gnome.org > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/ > > gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net Email: janina@rednote.net Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa From webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl Tue Nov 21 16:23:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 244597632A for ; 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a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=poczta.onet.pl; s=2011; t=1511281410; bh=+x+hWORe701HlfN1Ky+DZqz3H4COCudqSd3IUaOEkUU=; h=Subject:From:To:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=dbde9vMzYLjtazWhA4A704RjjTyAhtGie2gaBqsOMGsWmBCl4L4u2KtuekBFj6oXc +SPmAsXGxF5QtS2Gt+tpgJLLAYJc0TfWcEfYUBfNzmBL1+lBtZOIeyL4V6I1AxEe1m cZcWnei0bDhe6/ek94dDDVSm8UMrllkqlPwDYB7I= From: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=c5=82_Zegan?= To: Alex ARNAUD , orca-list References: <9c94fb41-c90a-b57b-c543-a0a6af341b10@poczta.onet.pl> <2ebd4601-669a-ac7e-2fe0-2f3500459bfc@hypra.fr> Message-ID: <71c7fab4-bd17-ab7e-affa-d8c9543fcdcf@poczta.onet.pl> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 17:23:28 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ECPNf8jr96spdw4PRCVHxXiaNFN5lVxhj" Subject: Re: [orca-list] slack probably inaccessible, maybe something happened in firefox 57? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:23:40 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --ECPNf8jr96spdw4PRCVHxXiaNFN5lVxhj Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="2oGlti1mmqcU9APUCauOF3QimqDJQOdfs"; protected-headers="v1" From: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=c5=82_Zegan?= To: Alex ARNAUD , orca-list Message-ID: <71c7fab4-bd17-ab7e-affa-d8c9543fcdcf@poczta.onet.pl> Subject: Re: [orca-list] slack probably inaccessible, maybe something happened in firefox 57? References: <9c94fb41-c90a-b57b-c543-a0a6af341b10@poczta.onet.pl> <2ebd4601-669a-ac7e-2fe0-2f3500459bfc@hypra.fr> In-Reply-To: --2oGlti1mmqcU9APUCauOF3QimqDJQOdfs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Confirmed, stopped to happen. What is it, i don't know. W dniu 21.11.2017 o=C2=A017:14, Micha=C5=82 Zegan pisze: > honestly, slack worked before. Not so good as it could/should, but > worked. Now at ff 57, well, it seems no longer to read most things it > read before, moving using a browse mode is somehow broken there and it > was never the case. Unless it was this one single firefox launch that > caused it. >=20 > W dniu 21.11.2017 o=C2=A017:12, Alex ARNAUD pisze: >> Are you using the extension from NV Access to increase the a11y of Sla= ck? >> >> Best regards. >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/s= table/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >=20 --2oGlti1mmqcU9APUCauOF3QimqDJQOdfs-- --ECPNf8jr96spdw4PRCVHxXiaNFN5lVxhj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQFPBAEBCAA5FiEE8PeJXyv9t1Bfiq63mRxoPZnIFPkFAloUUwAbHHdlYmN6YXRf MjAwQHBvY3p0YS5vbmV0LnBsAAoJEJkcaD2ZyBT5FoAH/jGU8VevQIyANA9b6ZI3 AxTdnUymjBg92/Faxd7ggla9ZyhfVsf32Uzzc2aETZwIF1m+uzeHN0o67osN1EhE cICNy8869vUCR3NS3x+wJ4TRwZ5RWJI5DDv6dWXNXaacZtWUR5LWuoPtBbxr2k7Z HVBRA4qQ7t3qhWyY4hXs3Tsfji/HLJS+VPJkQLTOyVGEnHuz2bZbsDSnazfi9n8v jgVFZrlYx9+qE3j5dQd8sybTQghfkx4Ka1kic3HMdK5v50nVt+Y1p5kiuUFz1c1D q7AHf6+oLa//HBfZfFB27IpbbqL+6PKOBU3KMsrGeaxtvcbe10P3O/RJen/bz3NY GzU= =i1A7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ECPNf8jr96spdw4PRCVHxXiaNFN5lVxhj-- From alexarnaud@hypra.fr Tue Nov 21 16:30:35 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9057F763C7 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:30:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.012 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.012 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rFsEec4GKDn3 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:30:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra.fr (hypra.fr [62.210.38.35]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A66D763E4 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:30:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.10.190.4] (unknown [89.227.222.139]) by hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7E2A4580F5E; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 17:30:31 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hypra.fr; s=mail; t=1511281831; bh=xKKe/RsejCNOs85FOaSWi4D8rmLjoG5yf8lx1TJ1cw4=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=MEEJc5dG4SD0XJ6sqdg9fkZz1bx2LOKlXxpUPM0B05sY/3t/cgRXozuNyYcxzBMV1 RJDnLI9v6GMJcbSsRqqM+bGYh/ytZ/hssuRxgSdM2o3euTd6rkd1W8N5DmBTG91CK4 CwBQaP+oeM1LDxQDVJl6vJiy34Kh69BT+qPJO/Vs= To: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=c5=82_Zegan?= , orca-list References: <9c94fb41-c90a-b57b-c543-a0a6af341b10@poczta.onet.pl> <2ebd4601-669a-ac7e-2fe0-2f3500459bfc@hypra.fr> From: Alex ARNAUD Organization: Hypra Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 17:31:12 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] slack probably inaccessible, maybe something happened in firefox 57? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:30:35 -0000 OK, I understand. You can disable the new feature multiprocessing if it breaks your usage Before that, could you tell us what bug do you have encounter inside Slack? What is your Orca version? It could be important to fix the issue for the future. The steps are : 1) Open Firefox 2) Open about:config from the URL 3) In the search field type : "browser.tabs.remote.autostart.2" 4) Tab one time and check the value, if the value is true, do the step 5 5) Press the menu key to see the contextual menu and choose inverse value 6) Restart Firefox Best regards. -- Alex ARNAUD Visual-Impairment Project Manager Hypra - "Humanizing technology" Le 21/11/2017 à 17:14, Michał Zegan a écrit : > honestly, slack worked before. Not so good as it could/should, but > worked. Now at ff 57, well, it seems no longer to read most things it > read before, moving using a browse mode is somehow broken there and it > was never the case. Unless it was this one single firefox launch that > caused it. > > W dniu 21.11.2017 o 17:12, Alex ARNAUD pisze: >> Are you using the extension from NV Access to increase the a11y of Slack? >> >> Best regards. > From covici@ccs.covici.com Tue Nov 21 16:31:48 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2AC4763DB for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:31:47 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Iu-uE3QI45fE for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:31:46 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 2729 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at restaurant.gnome.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:31:46 UTC Received: from mail0205.smtp25.com (mail0205.smtp25.com [174.37.170.205]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A3A7F763C7 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:31:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ccs.covici.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ccs.covici.com (8.14.9/8.14.8) with ESMTP id vALFk5q7001075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:46:05 -0500 Received: (from covici@localhost) by ccs.covici.com (8.14.9/8.13.7/Submit) id vALFk55s001072; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:46:05 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:46:05 -0500 Message-ID: From: John Covici To: Alan Ghelardi Cc: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Micha=B3?= Zegan , orca-list In-Reply-To: References: <9c94fb41-c90a-b57b-c543-a0a6af341b10@poczta.onet.pl> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) SEMI-EPG/1.14.7 (Harue) FLIM/1.14.9 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Goj=F2?=) APEL/10.8 EasyPG/1.0.0 Emacs/25.3 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Reply-To: covici@ccs.covici.com Organization: Covici Computer Systems MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SpamH-Filter: s-out-001.smtp25.com-vALFk657027856 X-SpamH-OriginatingIP: 70.109.53.110 Subject: Re: [orca-list] slack probably inaccessible, maybe something happened in firefox 57? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:31:48 -0000 hmmm, I tried installing slack melpa package, but could not find any documentation or any way how to use it. Is the emacs-slack different from this one? On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 07:18:14 -0500, Alan Ghelardi wrote: >=20 > [1 ] > [1.1 ] > [1.2 ] > Some friends are complaining about the accessibility of Firefox 57 on Win= dows systems. maybe there were accessibility regressions that affected some= applications on Linux as well, although I haven't tested yet and can't con= firm this. > However the better way that I've found to use Slack on a computer was thr= ough a Emacs package called emacs-slack. It provides an excelent access to = the majority of Slack features without accessibility problems. >=20 > Obviously if you aren't an Emacs user there is no sense on using it just = for getting access to Slack, but if you are, I strongly recommend having a = look at it. My company uses Slack heavily and this package has saved my lif= e since I was > having lots of problems to interact with Slack with Firefox. By the way, = the iPhone app also works relatively well.=20 >=20 > On 11/21/2017 09:24 AM, Micha=B3 Zegan wrote: >=20 > Hello. >=20 > Slack seems to be inaccessible on new firefox, before it was far better. > You need access to any kind of slack channel. > When you join it, your focus goes to the message field, when you switch > to browse mode you should be able to navigate around, and previously it > was possible, but not it reacts... weird, and actually doesn't really wor= k. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/sta= ble/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >=20 > [2 ] > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/sta= ble/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org --=20 Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici covici@ccs.covici.com From webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl Tue Nov 21 16:34:24 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E381E763C7 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:34:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.011 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.011 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LiqpEqqyF0_F for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:34:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpo99.poczta.onet.pl (smtpo102.poczta.onet.pl [213.180.149.155]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 554C276316 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:34:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.106] (unknown [193.200.46.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl) by smtp.poczta.onet.pl (Onet) with ESMTPSA id 3yhB4F3xR8zr0Nlx; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 17:34:04 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=poczta.onet.pl; s=2011; t=1511282046; bh=w6zcZ5pSvV50wZ3qX7d6DAHsE/r86xPyj+GJRNu1OfI=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=quAUf4UjJ/KfborCt3qdcFsxOjpdAd6bH9SJw3kRcYi1iz/fdTn4ZPe4Y1lS5sqCb axXuSYVK4baH+h1NMf6+tP/RcaqkMSE0+PmbNMbWE6E6JB8FmjyznlLUQcgAc/OhPz 85jEqCOOT7dus1+H4z8MBXLTX5rxjp0rj0o/SFqc= To: Alex ARNAUD , orca-list References: <9c94fb41-c90a-b57b-c543-a0a6af341b10@poczta.onet.pl> <2ebd4601-669a-ac7e-2fe0-2f3500459bfc@hypra.fr> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=c5=82_Zegan?= Message-ID: <9ad82dda-797b-0a53-4c78-d67b1bc8cfe8@poczta.onet.pl> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 17:34:04 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ss5aejWXsgudGKqUaIrpiIED85ai1V5qG" Subject: Re: [orca-list] slack probably inaccessible, maybe something happened in firefox 57? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:34:25 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --ss5aejWXsgudGKqUaIrpiIED85ai1V5qG Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="hCixthWDGohgQ0potxrWdSA0u8GHFK5q3"; protected-headers="v1" From: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=c5=82_Zegan?= To: Alex ARNAUD , orca-list Message-ID: <9ad82dda-797b-0a53-4c78-d67b1bc8cfe8@poczta.onet.pl> Subject: Re: [orca-list] slack probably inaccessible, maybe something happened in firefox 57? References: <9c94fb41-c90a-b57b-c543-a0a6af341b10@poczta.onet.pl> <2ebd4601-669a-ac7e-2fe0-2f3500459bfc@hypra.fr> In-Reply-To: --hCixthWDGohgQ0potxrWdSA0u8GHFK5q3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Seems this bug is launch specific and does not happen now at all, so not sure if I actually have *any* way to reproduce W dniu 21.11.2017 o=C2=A017:31, Alex ARNAUD pisze: > OK, I understand. You can disable the new feature multiprocessing if it= > breaks your usage >=20 > =C2=A0Before that, could you tell us what bug do you have encounter ins= ide > Slack? What is your Orca version? It could be important to fix the issu= e > for the future. >=20 > The steps are : > 1) Open Firefox > 2) Open about:config from the URL > 3) In the search field type : "browser.tabs.remote.autostart.2" > 4) Tab one time and check the value, if the value is true, do the step = 5 > 5) Press the menu key to see the contextual menu and choose inverse val= ue > 6)=C2=A0 Restart Firefox >=20 > Best regards. --hCixthWDGohgQ0potxrWdSA0u8GHFK5q3-- --ss5aejWXsgudGKqUaIrpiIED85ai1V5qG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQFPBAEBCAA5FiEE8PeJXyv9t1Bfiq63mRxoPZnIFPkFAloUVXwbHHdlYmN6YXRf MjAwQHBvY3p0YS5vbmV0LnBsAAoJEJkcaD2ZyBT52a8IAKAL7BTNwovQ7qYdTesO o711RkLVzzOSxyGHB3aS1oEnPpJ44WTRBlfy+l4C8ysOuC+YwLvNTkzoKa7r8KUs 56+Yfc/O3zeORDrohA1CTjATRewMqjCs6kD/Vyn9Zk1u3tpM8MPZsU7ZKaX0hDBk 3eNTm/TL0ZD+kMvPNBq1OdGGawIuyJ9AF35vJvVlIbW03LU4OX2TnuoWAObH4L/z yG8+QkK0fDDDcVa2gNRgzbbMo0BiNAD1KT0/k2bsi9Xc4Ho8y3t9GXjK/pSVwhXT u/R+Ovnc2a17Qk9N/Dl4UcYPePtlQzCMFhdxZ4L9dYYi6kwhOQm2bN6a0VpHWlqQ Lqw= =xy7H -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ss5aejWXsgudGKqUaIrpiIED85ai1V5qG-- From fhfbotelho@gmail.com Tue Nov 21 16:36:59 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87341763C7 for ; 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charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] ALSA Card Ordering [Was: I hate pulse] X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:36:59 -0000 Wow, now you just made me and a bunch of others very curious about what anyone would do with 4 or 5 sound cards on a computer! :) Best, Fernando On 11/21/2017 02:21 PM, Janina Sajka via orca-list wrote: > Thanks, Peter. I will play around with your suggestions sometime soon. > For now I just want to acknowledge your email and thank you for taking > the time to provide concrete suggestions. > > > Part of the problem with trying out new things on a machine with 4-5 > audio cards, is that there's a reason for putting so many cards on one > system in the first place. They're doing very specific things for me, > and it's a bit hard to find the time to put all that at risk while > trying out something new. But, I will get there sometime before year's > end, and I will happily rely on your good advice when I do that. > > Thanks again. To be continued! > > Best, > > Janina > > Peter Vágner writes: >> Hello Janina, >> >> By default pulseaudio is configured through its main configuration file at >> /etc/pulse/default.pa to dynamically load all the modules corresponding >> with your hardware taking over all the available sound devices. >> If you only would like to configure it to load concrete driver modules for >> a few devices you would like it to hijack you can create your user specific >> ~/.config/pulse/default.pa commenting out parts which are controlling the >> autodetection and manually loading those driver modules and those feature >> specific modules you do care about. >> The file /etc/pulse/default.pa contains usefull examples with some comments >> alongside them so I think you will realize how the puzzle will stick >> together when you combine it with the knowledge on alsa device ordering you >> have explained to us a few months ago. >> For example you might like to comment out this... >> ### Automatically load driver modules depending on the hardware available >> .ifexists module-udev-detect.so >> load-module module-udev-detect >> .else >> ### Use the static hardware detection module (for systems that lack udev >> support) >> load-module module-detect >> .endif >> and you might like to uncomment and modify this instead >> ### Load audio drivers statically >> ### (it's probably better to not load these drivers manually, but instead >> ### use module-udev-detect -- see below -- for doing this automatically) >> #load-module module-alsa-sink >> #load-module module-alsa-source device=hw:1,0 >> And depending on what you are trying to do you may also like to optionally >> uncomment >> #load-module module-null-sink >> #load-module module-pipe-sink >> >> By learning this and making pulse work for you, combining it with its >> ability to be controlled via pacmd cli utility pulseaudio might become your >> new Mackie if you will have problems finding a device featuring classic >> radio style controls and knobs. >> I am occassionally thinking about your sound setup as you have described it >> a few months ago and this is definatelly one of the directions you should >> try exploring. >> I have always wanted to point it out gently so you might like to consider >> something like this however I was not sure you will like it so depending on >> my current mood I was putting it aside all the time. >> Now you have shown your interest in this direction so I've changed my mind >> a bit. >> I don't have much more experiences with setting up a sound system, however >> I do like pulseaudio so if you are happy to talk with someone else who is >> thinking from the other end to yours please just ask. I think we may have >> fun trying out new ways on how to make it work. >> >> Greetings >> >> Peter >> >> >> 2017-11-15 16:03 GMT+01:00 Janina Sajka via orca-list : >> >>> Chrys: >>> >>> I've kept your message from August around because I've found it useful. >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Quick question: Do you know of a cli way of telling pulse to ignore >>> certain cards and use certain others instead? For instance, how can I tell >>> pulse to >>> limit itself to cards 2 and 3, and leave 0, 1 and 4 alone? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Janina >>> >>> chrys writes: >>>> Howdy, >>>> >>>> you can get all your soundcards with >>>> pactl list short sinks >>>> or more detailed with: >>>> pacmd list-sinks >>>> >>>> to set a new default device use: >>>> pacmd set-default-sink >>>> the index is the number on the beginning of the line of pactl list short >>>> sinks >>>> >>>> if the wrong soundcard is set you can run those commans via SSH. >>>> it remembers the default but if you dont trust and want to be sure that a >>>> special device is set you can place it as start script >>>> >>>> i also wrote a small script and bound it to an bash and gnome shortcut to >>>> cycle between all soundcards (maybe its useful for you or others) >>>> ---- script start ------ >>>> #!/bin/bash >>>> >>>> sinks=(`pacmd list-sinks | sed -n -e >>>> 's/\**[[:space:]]index:[[:space:]]\([[:digit:]]\)/\1/p'`) >>>> sinks_count=${#sinks[@]} >>>> active_sink_index=`pacmd list-sinks | sed -n -e >>>> 's/\*[[:space:]]index:[[:space:]]\([[:digit:]]\)/\1/p'` >>>> newSink=${sinks[0]} >>>> ord=0 >>>> >>>> while [ $ord -lt $sinks_count ]; >>>> do >>>> echo ${sinks[$ord]} >>>> if [ ${sinks[$ord]} -gt $active_sink_index ] ; then >>>> newSink=${sinks[$ord]} >>>> break >>>> fi >>>> let ord++ >>>> done >>>> >>>> # move current running streams to the new device >>>> pactl list short sink-inputs|while read stream; do >>>> streamId=$(echo $stream|cut '-d ' -f1) >>>> echo "moving stream $streamId" >>>> pactl move-sink-input "$streamId" "$newSink" >>>> done >>>> pacmd set-default-sink "$newSink" >>>> --- script end---- >>>> >>>> Am 20.08.2017 um 18:01 schrieb John G. Heim: >>>>> Well, it's kind of hard to reconfigure pulse when you have no sound. >>>>> Again, at least 3 times in the past year or 2, I've lost sound, had to >>>>> use ssh to get into my computer, and remove the ~/.config/pulse/ >>> folder. >>>>> I didn't make up the solution, I found it on this list. So I am not the >>>>> only one. It's a problem. Lets not act like it's not. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I don't know, I speculated pulse's problems were due to it not being >>>>> possible to guarantee the order in which hardware devices are >>>>> discovered. Maybe that's wrong but it's not really to the point. >>>>> Somebody says pulse has a prioritizing algorithm which seems reasonable >>>>> to me. But that algorithm probably at least somewhat depends on the >>>>> order in which ards are discovered. I don't know how it could be >>>>> otherwise and there certainly seems to be amount of randomness in it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 08/19/2017 01:39 PM, chrys wrote: >>>>>> Howdy, >>>>>> >>>>>> sorry but that is just bullshit lol. Also PA does not choose an >>>>>> random sound card. it uses that one that you defined as default. >>>>>> You also can set output devices and prioritys by scripting or >>>>>> configuration like in alsa... so that argument is just wrong. >>>>>> cheers chrys >>>>>> Am 19.08.2017 um 20:24 schrieb Janina Sajka via orca-list: >>>>>>> Micha: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For me this is yet another reason to stay away from pulse. The last >>>>>>> thing I need with 5 sound cards is having some bot deciding which >>> ones >>>>>>> should do what, and in what order. I have no use for machines that >>>>>>> ignore my specified configurations to make up their own. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In other words, this is just another way for things to break. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Janina >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Michał Zegan writes: >>>>>>>> actually from what i know, pulseaudio does not go by ordering, >>> but it >>>>>>>> prioritizes cards based on type like internal card vs usb card vs >>>>>>>> whatever... etc >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> W dniu 19.08.2017 o 19:56, Janina Sajka via orca-list pisze: >>>>>>>>> Hi, John: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I noted one comment in your post re pulseaudio that I want to >>> respond >>>>>>>>> to. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> John G Heim writes: >>>>>>>>>> ... you can never guarantee that hardware >>>>>>>>>> devices are discovered in the same order. ... >>>>>>>>> No, but you can control the card order they're assigned, e.g. >>> via >>>>>>>>> /etc/modprobe.d/alsa.conf using vid= and pid= params for >>> multiple USB >>>>>>>>> sound cards. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The best on line summary of available approaches I've >>>>>>>>> found to date is >>>>>>>>> at: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleCards >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm currently working through the above as I have a nagging >>> problem >>>>>>>>> every time I'm forced to reboot, e.g. after installing a new >>> Linux >>>>>>>>> kernel. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My problem is that my hda device isn't always >>>>>>>>> discovered. This morning I >>>>>>>>> ran a system update and had to reboot some 30 times >>>>>>>>> before my Intel-810 >>>>>>>>> hda device was discovered. I've looked in the logs. The >>>>>>>>> problem is the >>>>>>>>> system is literally not seeing the device on most boots, yet >>> once >>>>>>>>> loaded, it runs perfectly for days and weeks. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> According to the above referenced article, there are >>>>>>>>> approaches I might >>>>>>>>> try to resolve my problem without rebooting. And, it seems my >>> current >>>>>>>>> ordering config code could be updated, too. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Nevertheless, I offer my current code because it does >>>>>>>>> work to reliably >>>>>>>>> order my 5 sound devices. The always come up in the >>>>>>>>> order defined below. >>>>>>>>> My only issue is whether, or not card 0 has been found, else >>> the >>>>>>>>> remaining devices are shifted by 1--which doesn't help >>>>>>>>> my situation as I >>>>>>>>> need the headset to match my configured FreeSwitch >>>>>>>>> config, just as one >>>>>>>>> example. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> alias snd-card-0 snd-hd-intel >>>>>>>>> options snd-card-0 index=0 >>>>>>>>> options snd-hda-intel id=PCH index=0 >>>>>>>>> alias snd-card-1 headset >>>>>>>>> options snd-card-1 index=1 >>>>>>>>> options snd-usb-audio index=1 vid=0x1395 pid=0x3556 >>>>>>>>> alias snd-card-2 cmedia >>>>>>>>> options snd-card-2 index=2 >>>>>>>>> options snd-usb-audio index=2 vid=0x0d8c pid=0x000c >>>>>>>>> alias snd-card-3 ice >>>>>>>>> options snd-card-3 index=3 >>>>>>>>> options snd-ice1724 index=3 >>>>>>>>> alias snd-card-4 hdsp >>>>>>>>> options snd-card-4 index=4 >>>>>>>>> options snd-hdsp index=4 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>>>>>>>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>>>>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/ >>> gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> -- >>> >>> Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 >>> sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net >>> Email: janina@rednote.net >>> >>> Linux Foundation Fellow >>> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org >>> >>> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) >>> Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/ >>> gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> From abhijithb21@disroot.org Tue Nov 21 17:41:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 203767632A for ; 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charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: [orca-list] (no subject) X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 17:41:40 -0000 From covici@ccs.covici.com Tue Nov 21 17:44:04 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D89B763E4 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 17:44:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aSKRjFAbHnA8 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 17:44:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail0205.smtp25.com (mail0205.smtp25.com [174.37.170.205]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 122E876316 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 17:44:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ccs.covici.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ccs.covici.com (8.14.9/8.14.8) with ESMTP id vALHhvR0018071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 21 Nov 2017 12:43:57 -0500 Received: (from covici@localhost) by ccs.covici.com (8.14.9/8.13.7/Submit) id vALHhvux018070; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 12:43:57 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 12:43:57 -0500 Message-ID: From: John Covici To: Alan Ghelardi Cc: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Micha=B3?= Zegan , orca-list In-Reply-To: References: <9c94fb41-c90a-b57b-c543-a0a6af341b10@poczta.onet.pl> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) SEMI-EPG/1.14.7 (Harue) FLIM/1.14.9 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Goj=F2?=) APEL/10.8 EasyPG/1.0.0 Emacs/25.3 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Reply-To: covici@ccs.covici.com Organization: Covici Computer Systems MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SpamH-Filter: s-out-001.smtp25.com-vALHhvBZ011101 X-SpamH-OriginatingIP: 70.109.53.110 Subject: Re: [orca-list] slack probably inaccessible, maybe something happened in firefox 57? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 17:44:04 -0000 Do you know if it will do ssl connections or up and download files? On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:57:04 -0500, Alan Ghelardi wrote: >=20 > Have a look at: https://github.com/yuya373/emacs-slack. The > Github page has everything that you need to get started. >=20 >=20 > On 11/21/2017 01:46 PM, John Covici wrote: > > hmmm, I tried installing slack melpa package, but could not find any > > documentation or any way how to use it. Is the emacs-slack different > > from this one? > >=20 > > On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 07:18:14 -0500, > > Alan Ghelardi wrote: > >> [1 ] > >> [1.1 ] > >> [1.2 ] > >> Some friends are complaining about the accessibility of Firefox 57 on = Windows systems. maybe there were accessibility regressions that affected s= ome applications on Linux as well, although I haven't tested yet and can't = confirm this. > >> However the better way that I've found to use Slack on a computer was = through a Emacs package called emacs-slack. It provides an excelent access = to the majority of Slack features without accessibility problems. > >>=20 > >> Obviously if you aren't an Emacs user there is no sense on using it ju= st for getting access to Slack, but if you are, I strongly recommend having= a look at it. My company uses Slack heavily and this package has saved my = life since I was > >> having lots of problems to interact with Slack with Firefox. By the wa= y, the iPhone app also works relatively well. > >>=20 > >> On 11/21/2017 09:24 AM, Micha=B3 Zegan wrote: > >>=20 > >> Hello. > >>=20 > >> Slack seems to be inaccessible on new firefox, before it was far bette= r. > >> You need access to any kind of slack channel. > >> When you join it, your focus goes to the message field, when you switch > >> to browse mode you should be able to navigate around, and previously it > >> was possible, but not it reacts... weird, and actually doesn't really = work. > >>=20 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> orca-list mailing list > >> orca-list@gnome.org > >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/= stable/a11y.html > >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > >>=20 > >> [2 ] > >> _______________________________________________ > >> orca-list mailing list > >> orca-list@gnome.org > >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/= stable/a11y.html > >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >=20 --=20 Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici covici@ccs.covici.com From janina@rednote.net Tue Nov 21 17:46:05 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1AD9763E4 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 17:46:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.012 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.012 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h7PNXAIe0riB for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 17:46:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from opera.rednote.net (opera.rednote.net [66.228.34.147]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A4CD776316 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 17:46:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rednote.net (localhost [IPv6:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1]) by opera.rednote.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id vALHjwa6032029 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 21 Nov 2017 17:45:58 GMT DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 opera.rednote.net vALHjwa6032029 Authentication-Results: opera.rednote.net; dmarc=pass (p=reject dis=none) header.from=rednote.net Authentication-Results: opera.rednote.net; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=janina@rednote.net DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 opera.rednote.net vALHjwa6032029 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=rednote.net; s=default; t=1511286358; bh=Pr/L4oxHDB2ubHvzb2NJqjHGbdrI0DLlT1uubUhOq2Y=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=IVIXXLsZMyXEMRAARe4+xDO9fLCvAigN6yEmQnAgeavXzYxbWQ+jgcjUa4HQuX0eD mIQEVK7bT2iaJ+2MAfdx412RSbFKngTf4240zZq4ogOe7xVI0QYQ5dKxfx53ZuaA5F ASryEj1sb5NLGb9CaLFl9hpWL9FXy0JNMytycsko= Received: (from janina@localhost) by rednote.net (8.15.2/8.14.6/Submit) id vALHjw5w032028; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 12:45:58 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 12:45:58 -0500 From: Janina Sajka To: Fernando Botelho Cc: Peter =?iso-8859-1?Q?V=E1gner?= , orca-list Message-ID: <20171121174558.GR4879@rednote.net> References: <20170819175629.GD13793@rednote.net> <20170819182431.GG13787@rednote.net> <8b3aac06-9cfe-633e-adca-0605f70c8089@linux-a11y.org> <7374bc7b-a252-20e1-8c20-14f1ae888e35@math.wisc.edu> <2395db87-fc75-e6d4-1dff-9a0bff5f1462@linux-a11y.org> <20171115150343.GA23584@rednote.net> <20171121162127.GQ4879@rednote.net> <8338fcb8-5881-b6d8-8e09-d40dc7dd3006@F123.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <8338fcb8-5881-b6d8-8e09-d40dc7dd3006@F123.org> X-Operating-System: Linux opera.rednote.net 4.9.50-x86_64-linode86 User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) Subject: Re: [orca-list] ALSA Card Ordering [Was: I hate pulse] X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 17:46:05 -0000 Sure, Fernando! Here's my annotated current list: Note that these are on a tower system at my office desk. All outputs are routed into a Mackie 1202 audio mixer that physically sites on a shelf right above my keyboard--where sighted folks would typically put a video monitor. I have a pair of old Roland monitors on a level with my ears on this same shelf. Behind me on the wall are a pair of old JBL Ion powered speakers. The Mackie allows me to play output to either pair (or both), or to a headset (see below). $aplay -l |grep card card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 0: ALC892 Analog [ALC892 Analog] card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 1: ALC892 Digital [ALC892 Digital] card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0] card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 7: HDMI 1 [HDMI 1] Comment: This one is the builtin on the motherboard. It's for Speakup with espeakup TTS. It doesn't share well, but I wouldn't particularly want it to share on this machine, as that easily means getting non screen reader output mixed with my screen reader's TTS. I don't use the hdmi, though I'm thinking of possibly attaching an Amazon Firestick there. card 1: Device [C-Media USB Audio Device], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio] Comment: This one is a $15 USB device I picked up years ago. It's for Orca over Speech-Dispatcher also using espeak, currently via libao. On my laptop I have Speakup and Orca talking through the same device, but that hasn't worked for me on this tower system--not for the many years I ran Fedora, or now under Arch. card 2: Headset [Sennheiser USB Headset], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio] Comment:This is a gamer headset I picked up some 6-7 years ago vor around $160. It lives right by the Mackie where I can easily grab it and put it on my head. It's for SIP voip telephone calls over either freeswitch (currently broken) or linphonec (currently working). This device is very important to my business life as it allows me to talk on the phone but still have Speakup and/or Orca in my ears without the screen reader bleeding into the phone call. Literally it's my business telephone with a defined extension on my data center hosted Asterisk PBX. It's microphone input is routed directly into the Sennheiser USB dongle. Meanwhile, output from the USB dongle gets a pair of inputs on the Mackie, while the headset's audio input cable is attached to the headphone jack on the Mackie. card 3: AV710 [Chaintech AV-710], device 0: ICE1724 [ICE1724] card 3: AV710 [Chaintech AV-710], device 1: ICE1724 IEC958 [ICE1724 IEC958] card 3: AV710 [Chaintech AV-710], device 2: ICE1724 Surrounds [ICE1724 Surround PCM] Comment: This is a PCI card I picked up years ago for $25. I think it's one of my best buys ever, as the chipset is top notch quality audio for its time. It's my goto device anytime I simply need to play some audio. card 4: DSP [Hammerfall DSP], device 0: RME Hammerfall DSP + Multiface [RME Hammerfall DSP + Multiface] Comment: This is the original RME Hammerfalls DAC unit which set me back some $1,500 some 15 years ago. It's the device I use for editing audio wether with sox or ecasound, or my old favorite wedit. It's also my midi interface as I have an old 61-lkey keyboard controller behind my 104 typing keyboard for quick access to playing a few musical notes. It also interfaces my Marantz casette deck--so many old cassettes still to rip! And, it interfaces my Sony DAT deck. I've had various music making units interfaced, currently a Roland XV5050, hopefully to be soon swapped out for something that will keep audio in the digital domain. Probably this device will get replaced someday in the future, as it tops out at 96Khz sampling. For a sample of what I do with this card, which is sometimes routed via jackd, take a look at the sample 1 minute "sound montage" posted at: https://WeThePeeple.org Full disclosure here. What you hear at this link was story-boarded using this device. All the sound samples were edited and basically laid out, except the piano and the snare drum, using this device. In other words, I figured out my composition using this card. Final mixing, however, was done on a Mac in a studio I work with in College Park. Basically, I took the pieces of sound to their studio location on a USB stick with a printout of what I wanted at what time offset and pan location for final assembly, as it were. This "sound montage" introduces a song I, and the other musicians I worked with, expect to release soon, as soon as all the copyright licenses are arranged properly. I should add that I'm the keyboard gal on this song. I got files from the studio reflecting recently recorded piano, bass drums, and then vocals. There were several iterations. Against these i picked out what I wanted to add using the Roland XV5050, practiced my parts until I was ready to take my XV5050 to that studio and lay my own tracks that were then considered and edited into the final mix we'll be releasing. The montage I've published is based almost entirely on Creative Commons licensed, so no copyright. The sole exception is the Moslem Meuzin, where I've been unable to find actual ownership info, so am relying on U.S. Fair Use as my defense, should I be challenged. But, now I digress from explaining how I use my audio devices! hth Janina Fernando Botelho writes: > Wow, now you just made me and a bunch of others very curious about what > anyone would do with 4 or 5 sound cards on a computer! :) > > > Best, > > > Fernando > > > > On 11/21/2017 02:21 PM, Janina Sajka via orca-list wrote: > > Thanks, Peter. I will play around with your suggestions sometime soon. > > For now I just want to acknowledge your email and thank you for taking > > the time to provide concrete suggestions. > > > > > > Part of the problem with trying out new things on a machine with 4-5 > > audio cards, is that there's a reason for putting so many cards on one > > system in the first place. They're doing very specific things for me, > > and it's a bit hard to find the time to put all that at risk while > > trying out something new. But, I will get there sometime before year's > > end, and I will happily rely on your good advice when I do that. > > > > Thanks again. To be continued! > > > > Best, > > > > Janina > > > > Peter Vágner writes: > > > Hello Janina, > > > > > > By default pulseaudio is configured through its main configuration file at > > > /etc/pulse/default.pa to dynamically load all the modules corresponding > > > with your hardware taking over all the available sound devices. > > > If you only would like to configure it to load concrete driver modules for > > > a few devices you would like it to hijack you can create your user specific > > > ~/.config/pulse/default.pa commenting out parts which are controlling the > > > autodetection and manually loading those driver modules and those feature > > > specific modules you do care about. > > > The file /etc/pulse/default.pa contains usefull examples with some comments > > > alongside them so I think you will realize how the puzzle will stick > > > together when you combine it with the knowledge on alsa device ordering you > > > have explained to us a few months ago. > > > For example you might like to comment out this... > > > ### Automatically load driver modules depending on the hardware available > > > .ifexists module-udev-detect.so > > > load-module module-udev-detect > > > .else > > > ### Use the static hardware detection module (for systems that lack udev > > > support) > > > load-module module-detect > > > .endif > > > and you might like to uncomment and modify this instead > > > ### Load audio drivers statically > > > ### (it's probably better to not load these drivers manually, but instead > > > ### use module-udev-detect -- see below -- for doing this automatically) > > > #load-module module-alsa-sink > > > #load-module module-alsa-source device=hw:1,0 > > > And depending on what you are trying to do you may also like to optionally > > > uncomment > > > #load-module module-null-sink > > > #load-module module-pipe-sink > > > > > > By learning this and making pulse work for you, combining it with its > > > ability to be controlled via pacmd cli utility pulseaudio might become your > > > new Mackie if you will have problems finding a device featuring classic > > > radio style controls and knobs. > > > I am occassionally thinking about your sound setup as you have described it > > > a few months ago and this is definatelly one of the directions you should > > > try exploring. > > > I have always wanted to point it out gently so you might like to consider > > > something like this however I was not sure you will like it so depending on > > > my current mood I was putting it aside all the time. > > > Now you have shown your interest in this direction so I've changed my mind > > > a bit. > > > I don't have much more experiences with setting up a sound system, however > > > I do like pulseaudio so if you are happy to talk with someone else who is > > > thinking from the other end to yours please just ask. I think we may have > > > fun trying out new ways on how to make it work. > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > 2017-11-15 16:03 GMT+01:00 Janina Sajka via orca-list : > > > > > > > Chrys: > > > > > > > > I've kept your message from August around because I've found it useful. > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > Quick question: Do you know of a cli way of telling pulse to ignore > > > > certain cards and use certain others instead? For instance, how can I tell > > > > pulse to > > > > limit itself to cards 2 and 3, and leave 0, 1 and 4 alone? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Janina > > > > > > > > chrys writes: > > > > > Howdy, > > > > > > > > > > you can get all your soundcards with > > > > > pactl list short sinks > > > > > or more detailed with: > > > > > pacmd list-sinks > > > > > > > > > > to set a new default device use: > > > > > pacmd set-default-sink > > > > > the index is the number on the beginning of the line of pactl list short > > > > > sinks > > > > > > > > > > if the wrong soundcard is set you can run those commans via SSH. > > > > > it remembers the default but if you dont trust and want to be sure that a > > > > > special device is set you can place it as start script > > > > > > > > > > i also wrote a small script and bound it to an bash and gnome shortcut to > > > > > cycle between all soundcards (maybe its useful for you or others) > > > > > ---- script start ------ > > > > > #!/bin/bash > > > > > > > > > > sinks=(`pacmd list-sinks | sed -n -e > > > > > 's/\**[[:space:]]index:[[:space:]]\([[:digit:]]\)/\1/p'`) > > > > > sinks_count=${#sinks[@]} > > > > > active_sink_index=`pacmd list-sinks | sed -n -e > > > > > 's/\*[[:space:]]index:[[:space:]]\([[:digit:]]\)/\1/p'` > > > > > newSink=${sinks[0]} > > > > > ord=0 > > > > > > > > > > while [ $ord -lt $sinks_count ]; > > > > > do > > > > > echo ${sinks[$ord]} > > > > > if [ ${sinks[$ord]} -gt $active_sink_index ] ; then > > > > > newSink=${sinks[$ord]} > > > > > break > > > > > fi > > > > > let ord++ > > > > > done > > > > > > > > > > # move current running streams to the new device > > > > > pactl list short sink-inputs|while read stream; do > > > > > streamId=$(echo $stream|cut '-d ' -f1) > > > > > echo "moving stream $streamId" > > > > > pactl move-sink-input "$streamId" "$newSink" > > > > > done > > > > > pacmd set-default-sink "$newSink" > > > > > --- script end---- > > > > > > > > > > Am 20.08.2017 um 18:01 schrieb John G. Heim: > > > > > > Well, it's kind of hard to reconfigure pulse when you have no sound. > > > > > > Again, at least 3 times in the past year or 2, I've lost sound, had to > > > > > > use ssh to get into my computer, and remove the ~/.config/pulse/ > > > > folder. > > > > > > I didn't make up the solution, I found it on this list. So I am not the > > > > > > only one. It's a problem. Lets not act like it's not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know, I speculated pulse's problems were due to it not being > > > > > > possible to guarantee the order in which hardware devices are > > > > > > discovered. Maybe that's wrong but it's not really to the point. > > > > > > Somebody says pulse has a prioritizing algorithm which seems reasonable > > > > > > to me. But that algorithm probably at least somewhat depends on the > > > > > > order in which ards are discovered. I don't know how it could be > > > > > > otherwise and there certainly seems to be amount of randomness in it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 08/19/2017 01:39 PM, chrys wrote: > > > > > > > Howdy, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry but that is just bullshit lol. Also PA does not choose an > > > > > > > random sound card. it uses that one that you defined as default. > > > > > > > You also can set output devices and prioritys by scripting or > > > > > > > configuration like in alsa... so that argument is just wrong. > > > > > > > cheers chrys > > > > > > > Am 19.08.2017 um 20:24 schrieb Janina Sajka via orca-list: > > > > > > > > Micha: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For me this is yet another reason to stay away from pulse. The last > > > > > > > > thing I need with 5 sound cards is having some bot deciding which > > > > ones > > > > > > > > should do what, and in what order. I have no use for machines that > > > > > > > > ignore my specified configurations to make up their own. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In other words, this is just another way for things to break. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Janina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michał Zegan writes: > > > > > > > > > actually from what i know, pulseaudio does not go by ordering, > > > > but it > > > > > > > > > prioritizes cards based on type like internal card vs usb card vs > > > > > > > > > whatever... etc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W dniu 19.08.2017 o 19:56, Janina Sajka via orca-list pisze: > > > > > > > > > > Hi, John: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I noted one comment in your post re pulseaudio that I want to > > > > respond > > > > > > > > > > to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John G Heim writes: > > > > > > > > > > > ... you can never guarantee that hardware > > > > > > > > > > > devices are discovered in the same order. ... > > > > > > > > > > No, but you can control the card order they're assigned, e.g. > > > > via > > > > > > > > > > /etc/modprobe.d/alsa.conf using vid= and pid= params for > > > > multiple USB > > > > > > > > > > sound cards. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The best on line summary of available approaches I've > > > > > > > > > > found to date is > > > > > > > > > > at: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleCards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm currently working through the above as I have a nagging > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > every time I'm forced to reboot, e.g. after installing a new > > > > Linux > > > > > > > > > > kernel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My problem is that my hda device isn't always > > > > > > > > > > discovered. This morning I > > > > > > > > > > ran a system update and had to reboot some 30 times > > > > > > > > > > before my Intel-810 > > > > > > > > > > hda device was discovered. I've looked in the logs. The > > > > > > > > > > problem is the > > > > > > > > > > system is literally not seeing the device on most boots, yet > > > > once > > > > > > > > > > loaded, it runs perfectly for days and weeks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to the above referenced article, there are > > > > > > > > > > approaches I might > > > > > > > > > > try to resolve my problem without rebooting. And, it seems my > > > > current > > > > > > > > > > ordering config code could be updated, too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nevertheless, I offer my current code because it does > > > > > > > > > > work to reliably > > > > > > > > > > order my 5 sound devices. The always come up in the > > > > > > > > > > order defined below. > > > > > > > > > > My only issue is whether, or not card 0 has been found, else > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > remaining devices are shifted by 1--which doesn't help > > > > > > > > > > my situation as I > > > > > > > > > > need the headset to match my configured FreeSwitch > > > > > > > > > > config, just as one > > > > > > > > > > example. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alias snd-card-0 snd-hd-intel > > > > > > > > > > options snd-card-0 index=0 > > > > > > > > > > options snd-hda-intel id=PCH index=0 > > > > > > > > > > alias snd-card-1 headset > > > > > > > > > > options snd-card-1 index=1 > > > > > > > > > > options snd-usb-audio index=1 vid=0x1395 pid=0x3556 > > > > > > > > > > alias snd-card-2 cmedia > > > > > > > > > > options snd-card-2 index=2 > > > > > > > > > > options snd-usb-audio index=2 vid=0x0d8c pid=0x000c > > > > > > > > > > alias snd-card-3 ice > > > > > > > > > > options snd-card-3 index=3 > > > > > > > > > > options snd-ice1724 index=3 > > > > > > > > > > alias snd-card-4 hdsp > > > > > > > > > > options snd-card-4 index=4 > > > > > > > > > > options snd-hdsp index=4 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > orca-list mailing list > > > > > > > > > > orca-list@gnome.org > > > > > > > > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > > > > > > > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > > > > > > > > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > > > > > > > > > GNOME Universal Access guide: > > > > > > > > > > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > > > > > > > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > orca-list mailing list > > > > > > > orca-list@gnome.org > > > > > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > > > > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > > > > > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > > > > > > GNOME Universal Access guide: > > > > > > > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > > > > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > orca-list mailing list > > > > > orca-list@gnome.org > > > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > > > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > > > > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/ > > > > gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 > > > > sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net > > > > Email: janina@rednote.net > > > > > > > > Linux Foundation Fellow > > > > Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org > > > > > > > > The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) > > > > Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > orca-list mailing list > > > > orca-list@gnome.org > > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > > > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/ > > > > gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > > > -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net Email: janina@rednote.net Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa From jdiggs@igalia.com Tue Nov 21 17:50:12 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 562F77632A for ; 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Regarding this: On 11/20/2017 06:07 AM, Peter Vágner wrote: > However I have so far also noticed one negative change. When using Firefox > built-in find dialog to search for content orca used to present the match > highlighted in the content view when pressing the enter key inside the find > dialog. After upgrading to Firefox 57 this appears to be very random and > most of the times orca is not reporting the search result as its being > highlighted. Orca used to be notified when the selection changed as a result of find. Now it does not. I believe I'm working around this now. Please let me know. 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Thanks for sharing! Fernando On 11/21/2017 03:45 PM, Janina Sajka wrote: > Sure, Fernando! Here's my annotated current list: > > Note that these are on a tower system at my office desk. All outputs are > routed into a Mackie 1202 audio mixer that physically sites on a shelf > right above my keyboard--where sighted folks would typically put a video > monitor. I have a pair of old Roland monitors on a level with my ears on > this same shelf. Behind me on the wall are a pair of old JBL Ion powered > speakers. The Mackie allows me to play output to either pair (or both), > or to a headset (see below). > > > $aplay -l |grep card > > card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 0: ALC892 Analog [ALC892 Analog] > card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 1: ALC892 Digital [ALC892 Digital] > card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0] > card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 7: HDMI 1 [HDMI 1] > Comment: This one is the builtin on the motherboard. It's for Speakup with espeakup TTS. It doesn't share > well, but I wouldn't particularly want it to share on this machine, as > that easily means getting non screen reader output mixed with my screen > reader's TTS. I don't use the hdmi, though I'm thinking of possibly > attaching an Amazon Firestick there. > > card 1: Device [C-Media USB Audio Device], device 0: USB Audio [USB > Audio] > Comment: This one is a $15 USB device I picked up years ago. It's for Orca over Speech-Dispatcher also using > espeak, currently via libao. On my laptop I have Speakup and Orca > talking through the same device, but that hasn't worked for me on this > tower system--not for the many years I ran Fedora, or now under Arch. > > card 2: Headset [Sennheiser USB Headset], device 0: USB Audio [USB > Audio] > Comment:This is a gamer headset I picked up some 6-7 years ago vor > around $160. It lives right by the Mackie where I can easily grab it and > put it on my head. It's for SIP voip telephone calls over either > freeswitch (currently broken) or linphonec (currently working). This > device is very important to my business life as it allows me to talk on > the phone but still have Speakup and/or Orca in my ears without the > screen reader bleeding into the phone call. Literally it's my business > telephone with a defined extension on my data center hosted Asterisk > PBX. It's microphone input is routed directly into the Sennheiser USB > dongle. Meanwhile, output from the USB dongle gets a pair of inputs on > the Mackie, while the headset's audio input cable is attached to the > headphone jack on the Mackie. > > card 3: AV710 [Chaintech AV-710], device 0: ICE1724 [ICE1724] > card 3: AV710 [Chaintech AV-710], device 1: ICE1724 IEC958 [ICE1724 > IEC958] > card 3: AV710 [Chaintech AV-710], device 2: ICE1724 Surrounds [ICE1724 > Surround PCM] > Comment: This is a PCI card I picked up years ago for $25. I think it's > one of my best buys ever, as the chipset is top notch quality audio for > its time. It's my goto device anytime I simply need to play some audio. > > card 4: DSP [Hammerfall DSP], device 0: RME Hammerfall DSP + Multiface > [RME Hammerfall DSP + Multiface] > Comment: This is the original RME Hammerfalls DAC unit which set me back > some $1,500 some 15 years ago. It's the device I use for editing audio > wether with sox or ecasound, or my old favorite wedit. It's also my midi > interface as I have an old 61-lkey keyboard controller behind my 104 > typing keyboard for quick access to playing a few musical notes. It also > interfaces my Marantz casette deck--so many old cassettes still to rip! > And, it interfaces my Sony DAT deck. I've had various music making units > interfaced, currently a Roland XV5050, hopefully to be soon swapped out > for something that will keep audio in the digital domain. Probably this > device will get replaced someday in the future, as it tops out at 96Khz > sampling. > > For a sample of what I do with this card, which is sometimes routed via > jackd, take a look at the sample 1 minute "sound montage" posted at: > > https://WeThePeeple.org > > Full disclosure here. What you hear at this link was story-boarded using > this device. All the sound samples were edited and basically laid out, > except the piano and the snare drum, using this device. In other words, I figured out my composition using this card. Final mixing, however, was done on > a Mac in a studio I work with in College Park. Basically, I took the > pieces of sound to their studio location on a USB stick with a printout of what I > wanted at what time offset and pan location for final assembly, as it > were. > > This "sound montage" introduces a song I, and the other musicians I > worked with, expect to release soon, as soon as all the copyright > licenses are arranged properly. > > I should add that I'm the keyboard gal on this song. I got files from > the studio reflecting recently recorded piano, bass drums, and then > vocals. There were several iterations. Against these i picked out what I > wanted to add using the Roland XV5050, practiced my parts until I was > ready to take my XV5050 to that studio and lay my own tracks that were > then considered and edited into the final mix we'll be releasing. > > The montage I've published is based almost entirely on Creative Commons > licensed, so no copyright. The sole exception is the Moslem Meuzin, > where I've been unable to find actual ownership info, so am relying on > U.S. Fair Use as my defense, should I be challenged. But, now I digress > from explaining how I use my audio devices! > > hth > > Janina > > Fernando Botelho writes: >> Wow, now you just made me and a bunch of others very curious about what >> anyone would do with 4 or 5 sound cards on a computer! :) >> >> >> Best, >> >> >> Fernando >> >> >> >> On 11/21/2017 02:21 PM, Janina Sajka via orca-list wrote: >>> Thanks, Peter. I will play around with your suggestions sometime soon. >>> For now I just want to acknowledge your email and thank you for taking >>> the time to provide concrete suggestions. >>> >>> >>> Part of the problem with trying out new things on a machine with 4-5 >>> audio cards, is that there's a reason for putting so many cards on one >>> system in the first place. They're doing very specific things for me, >>> and it's a bit hard to find the time to put all that at risk while >>> trying out something new. But, I will get there sometime before year's >>> end, and I will happily rely on your good advice when I do that. >>> >>> Thanks again. To be continued! >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Janina >>> >>> Peter Vágner writes: >>>> Hello Janina, >>>> >>>> By default pulseaudio is configured through its main configuration file at >>>> /etc/pulse/default.pa to dynamically load all the modules corresponding >>>> with your hardware taking over all the available sound devices. >>>> If you only would like to configure it to load concrete driver modules for >>>> a few devices you would like it to hijack you can create your user specific >>>> ~/.config/pulse/default.pa commenting out parts which are controlling the >>>> autodetection and manually loading those driver modules and those feature >>>> specific modules you do care about. >>>> The file /etc/pulse/default.pa contains usefull examples with some comments >>>> alongside them so I think you will realize how the puzzle will stick >>>> together when you combine it with the knowledge on alsa device ordering you >>>> have explained to us a few months ago. >>>> For example you might like to comment out this... >>>> ### Automatically load driver modules depending on the hardware available >>>> .ifexists module-udev-detect.so >>>> load-module module-udev-detect >>>> .else >>>> ### Use the static hardware detection module (for systems that lack udev >>>> support) >>>> load-module module-detect >>>> .endif >>>> and you might like to uncomment and modify this instead >>>> ### Load audio drivers statically >>>> ### (it's probably better to not load these drivers manually, but instead >>>> ### use module-udev-detect -- see below -- for doing this automatically) >>>> #load-module module-alsa-sink >>>> #load-module module-alsa-source device=hw:1,0 >>>> And depending on what you are trying to do you may also like to optionally >>>> uncomment >>>> #load-module module-null-sink >>>> #load-module module-pipe-sink >>>> >>>> By learning this and making pulse work for you, combining it with its >>>> ability to be controlled via pacmd cli utility pulseaudio might become your >>>> new Mackie if you will have problems finding a device featuring classic >>>> radio style controls and knobs. >>>> I am occassionally thinking about your sound setup as you have described it >>>> a few months ago and this is definatelly one of the directions you should >>>> try exploring. >>>> I have always wanted to point it out gently so you might like to consider >>>> something like this however I was not sure you will like it so depending on >>>> my current mood I was putting it aside all the time. >>>> Now you have shown your interest in this direction so I've changed my mind >>>> a bit. >>>> I don't have much more experiences with setting up a sound system, however >>>> I do like pulseaudio so if you are happy to talk with someone else who is >>>> thinking from the other end to yours please just ask. I think we may have >>>> fun trying out new ways on how to make it work. >>>> >>>> Greetings >>>> >>>> Peter >>>> >>>> >>>> 2017-11-15 16:03 GMT+01:00 Janina Sajka via orca-list : >>>> >>>>> Chrys: >>>>> >>>>> I've kept your message from August around because I've found it useful. >>>>> Thank you. >>>>> >>>>> Quick question: Do you know of a cli way of telling pulse to ignore >>>>> certain cards and use certain others instead? For instance, how can I tell >>>>> pulse to >>>>> limit itself to cards 2 and 3, and leave 0, 1 and 4 alone? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Janina >>>>> >>>>> chrys writes: >>>>>> Howdy, >>>>>> >>>>>> you can get all your soundcards with >>>>>> pactl list short sinks >>>>>> or more detailed with: >>>>>> pacmd list-sinks >>>>>> >>>>>> to set a new default device use: >>>>>> pacmd set-default-sink >>>>>> the index is the number on the beginning of the line of pactl list short >>>>>> sinks >>>>>> >>>>>> if the wrong soundcard is set you can run those commans via SSH. >>>>>> it remembers the default but if you dont trust and want to be sure that a >>>>>> special device is set you can place it as start script >>>>>> >>>>>> i also wrote a small script and bound it to an bash and gnome shortcut to >>>>>> cycle between all soundcards (maybe its useful for you or others) >>>>>> ---- script start ------ >>>>>> #!/bin/bash >>>>>> >>>>>> sinks=(`pacmd list-sinks | sed -n -e >>>>>> 's/\**[[:space:]]index:[[:space:]]\([[:digit:]]\)/\1/p'`) >>>>>> sinks_count=${#sinks[@]} >>>>>> active_sink_index=`pacmd list-sinks | sed -n -e >>>>>> 's/\*[[:space:]]index:[[:space:]]\([[:digit:]]\)/\1/p'` >>>>>> newSink=${sinks[0]} >>>>>> ord=0 >>>>>> >>>>>> while [ $ord -lt $sinks_count ]; >>>>>> do >>>>>> echo ${sinks[$ord]} >>>>>> if [ ${sinks[$ord]} -gt $active_sink_index ] ; then >>>>>> newSink=${sinks[$ord]} >>>>>> break >>>>>> fi >>>>>> let ord++ >>>>>> done >>>>>> >>>>>> # move current running streams to the new device >>>>>> pactl list short sink-inputs|while read stream; do >>>>>> streamId=$(echo $stream|cut '-d ' -f1) >>>>>> echo "moving stream $streamId" >>>>>> pactl move-sink-input "$streamId" "$newSink" >>>>>> done >>>>>> pacmd set-default-sink "$newSink" >>>>>> --- script end---- >>>>>> >>>>>> Am 20.08.2017 um 18:01 schrieb John G. Heim: >>>>>>> Well, it's kind of hard to reconfigure pulse when you have no sound. >>>>>>> Again, at least 3 times in the past year or 2, I've lost sound, had to >>>>>>> use ssh to get into my computer, and remove the ~/.config/pulse/ >>>>> folder. >>>>>>> I didn't make up the solution, I found it on this list. So I am not the >>>>>>> only one. It's a problem. Lets not act like it's not. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't know, I speculated pulse's problems were due to it not being >>>>>>> possible to guarantee the order in which hardware devices are >>>>>>> discovered. Maybe that's wrong but it's not really to the point. >>>>>>> Somebody says pulse has a prioritizing algorithm which seems reasonable >>>>>>> to me. But that algorithm probably at least somewhat depends on the >>>>>>> order in which ards are discovered. I don't know how it could be >>>>>>> otherwise and there certainly seems to be amount of randomness in it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 08/19/2017 01:39 PM, chrys wrote: >>>>>>>> Howdy, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> sorry but that is just bullshit lol. Also PA does not choose an >>>>>>>> random sound card. it uses that one that you defined as default. >>>>>>>> You also can set output devices and prioritys by scripting or >>>>>>>> configuration like in alsa... so that argument is just wrong. >>>>>>>> cheers chrys >>>>>>>> Am 19.08.2017 um 20:24 schrieb Janina Sajka via orca-list: >>>>>>>>> Micha: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For me this is yet another reason to stay away from pulse. The last >>>>>>>>> thing I need with 5 sound cards is having some bot deciding which >>>>> ones >>>>>>>>> should do what, and in what order. I have no use for machines that >>>>>>>>> ignore my specified configurations to make up their own. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In other words, this is just another way for things to break. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Janina >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Michał Zegan writes: >>>>>>>>>> actually from what i know, pulseaudio does not go by ordering, >>>>> but it >>>>>>>>>> prioritizes cards based on type like internal card vs usb card vs >>>>>>>>>> whatever... etc >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> W dniu 19.08.2017 o 19:56, Janina Sajka via orca-list pisze: >>>>>>>>>>> Hi, John: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I noted one comment in your post re pulseaudio that I want to >>>>> respond >>>>>>>>>>> to. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> John G Heim writes: >>>>>>>>>>>> ... you can never guarantee that hardware >>>>>>>>>>>> devices are discovered in the same order. ... >>>>>>>>>>> No, but you can control the card order they're assigned, e.g. >>>>> via >>>>>>>>>>> /etc/modprobe.d/alsa.conf using vid= and pid= params for >>>>> multiple USB >>>>>>>>>>> sound cards. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The best on line summary of available approaches I've >>>>>>>>>>> found to date is >>>>>>>>>>> at: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleCards >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm currently working through the above as I have a nagging >>>>> problem >>>>>>>>>>> every time I'm forced to reboot, e.g. after installing a new >>>>> Linux >>>>>>>>>>> kernel. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> My problem is that my hda device isn't always >>>>>>>>>>> discovered. This morning I >>>>>>>>>>> ran a system update and had to reboot some 30 times >>>>>>>>>>> before my Intel-810 >>>>>>>>>>> hda device was discovered. I've looked in the logs. The >>>>>>>>>>> problem is the >>>>>>>>>>> system is literally not seeing the device on most boots, yet >>>>> once >>>>>>>>>>> loaded, it runs perfectly for days and weeks. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> According to the above referenced article, there are >>>>>>>>>>> approaches I might >>>>>>>>>>> try to resolve my problem without rebooting. And, it seems my >>>>> current >>>>>>>>>>> ordering config code could be updated, too. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Nevertheless, I offer my current code because it does >>>>>>>>>>> work to reliably >>>>>>>>>>> order my 5 sound devices. The always come up in the >>>>>>>>>>> order defined below. >>>>>>>>>>> My only issue is whether, or not card 0 has been found, else >>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> remaining devices are shifted by 1--which doesn't help >>>>>>>>>>> my situation as I >>>>>>>>>>> need the headset to match my configured FreeSwitch >>>>>>>>>>> config, just as one >>>>>>>>>>> example. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> alias snd-card-0 snd-hd-intel >>>>>>>>>>> options snd-card-0 index=0 >>>>>>>>>>> options snd-hda-intel id=PCH index=0 >>>>>>>>>>> alias snd-card-1 headset >>>>>>>>>>> options snd-card-1 index=1 >>>>>>>>>>> options snd-usb-audio index=1 vid=0x1395 pid=0x3556 >>>>>>>>>>> alias snd-card-2 cmedia >>>>>>>>>>> options snd-card-2 index=2 >>>>>>>>>>> options snd-usb-audio index=2 vid=0x0d8c pid=0x000c >>>>>>>>>>> alias snd-card-3 ice >>>>>>>>>>> options snd-card-3 index=3 >>>>>>>>>>> options snd-ice1724 index=3 >>>>>>>>>>> alias snd-card-4 hdsp >>>>>>>>>>> options snd-card-4 index=4 >>>>>>>>>>> options snd-hdsp index=4 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>>>>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>>>>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>>>>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>>>>>>>>>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>>>>>>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/ >>>>> gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 >>>>> sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net >>>>> Email: janina@rednote.net >>>>> >>>>> Linux Foundation Fellow >>>>> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org >>>>> >>>>> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) >>>>> Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/ >>>>> gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>>> From jdashiel@panix.com Tue Nov 21 18:45:29 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1E6C76316 for ; 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Tue, 21 Nov 2017 13:45:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 13:45:26 -0500 From: Jude DaShiell To: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Micha=B3_Zegan?= , Alex ARNAUD , orca-list In-Reply-To: <9ad82dda-797b-0a53-4c78-d67b1bc8cfe8@poczta.onet.pl> Message-ID: References: <9c94fb41-c90a-b57b-c543-a0a6af341b10@poczta.onet.pl> <2ebd4601-669a-ac7e-2fe0-2f3500459bfc@hypra.fr> <9ad82dda-797b-0a53-4c78-d67b1bc8cfe8@poczta.onet.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6532360378163573001==" Content-ID: Subject: Re: [orca-list] slack probably inaccessible, maybe something happened in firefox 57? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 18:45:29 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --===============6532360378163573001== Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Please remember computer memory is like batteries. Eventually it's permanently used up then it's time to buy a new computer. Also, memory has bad spots in it. This may mean use of the computer with errors like these where the computer burned through a bad spot in the memory. Once burned through, that spot and defect is gone permanently. This is one of the causes of what are described as glitches and they effect everything that runs on memory sooner or later. -- --===============6532360378163573001== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary=ss5aejWXsgudGKqUaIrpiIED85ai1V5qG Content-ID: Content-Description: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --ss5aejWXsgudGKqUaIrpiIED85ai1V5qG Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=hCixthWDGohgQ0potxrWdSA0u8GHFK5q3; protected-headers=v1 Content-ID: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --hCixthWDGohgQ0potxrWdSA0u8GHFK5q3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Content-ID: Seems this bug is launch specific and does not happen now at all, so not sure if I actually have *any* way to reproduce W dniu 21.11.2017 o=C2=A017:31, Alex ARNAUD pisze: > OK, I understand. You can disable the new feature multiprocessing if it= > breaks your usage >=20 > =C2=A0Before that, could you tell us what bug do you have encounter ins= ide > Slack? What is your Orca version? It could be important to fix the issu= e > for the future. >=20 > The steps are : > 1) Open Firefox > 2) Open about:config from the URL > 3) In the search field type : "browser.tabs.remote.autostart.2" > 4) Tab one time and check the value, if the value is true, do the step = 5 > 5) Press the menu key to see the contextual menu and choose inverse val= ue > 6)=C2=A0 Restart Firefox >=20 > Best regards. --hCixthWDGohgQ0potxrWdSA0u8GHFK5q3-- --ss5aejWXsgudGKqUaIrpiIED85ai1V5qG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-ID: Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQFPBAEBCAA5FiEE8PeJXyv9t1Bfiq63mRxoPZnIFPkFAloUVXwbHHdlYmN6YXRf MjAwQHBvY3p0YS5vbmV0LnBsAAoJEJkcaD2ZyBT52a8IAKAL7BTNwovQ7qYdTesO o711RkLVzzOSxyGHB3aS1oEnPpJ44WTRBlfy+l4C8ysOuC+YwLvNTkzoKa7r8KUs 56+Yfc/O3zeORDrohA1CTjATRewMqjCs6kD/Vyn9Zk1u3tpM8MPZsU7ZKaX0hDBk 3eNTm/TL0ZD+kMvPNBq1OdGGawIuyJ9AF35vJvVlIbW03LU4OX2TnuoWAObH4L/z yG8+QkK0fDDDcVa2gNRgzbbMo0BiNAD1KT0/k2bsi9Xc4Ho8y3t9GXjK/pSVwhXT u/R+Ovnc2a17Qk9N/Dl4UcYPePtlQzCMFhdxZ4L9dYYi6kwhOQm2bN6a0VpHWlqQ Lqw= =xy7H -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ss5aejWXsgudGKqUaIrpiIED85ai1V5qG-- --===============6532360378163573001== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-ID: Content-Description: Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org --===============6532360378163573001==-- From covici@ccs.covici.com Tue Nov 21 20:03:58 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C330E763C7 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 20:03:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lqWkZcwf5aSB for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 20:03:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail0205.smtp25.com (mail0205.smtp25.com [174.37.170.205]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 657317632A for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 20:03:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ccs.covici.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ccs.covici.com (8.14.9/8.14.8) with ESMTP id vALK3oG3027832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 21 Nov 2017 15:03:50 -0500 Received: (from covici@localhost) by ccs.covici.com (8.14.9/8.13.7/Submit) id vALK3nqw027831; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 15:03:49 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 15:03:49 -0500 Message-ID: From: John Covici To: Alan Ghelardi Cc: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Micha=B3?= Zegan , orca-list In-Reply-To: References: <9c94fb41-c90a-b57b-c543-a0a6af341b10@poczta.onet.pl> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) SEMI-EPG/1.14.7 (Harue) FLIM/1.14.9 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Goj=F2?=) APEL/10.8 EasyPG/1.0.0 Emacs/25.3 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Reply-To: covici@ccs.covici.com Organization: Covici Computer Systems MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SpamH-Filter: s-out-001.smtp25.com-vALK3ooR006001 X-SpamH-OriginatingIP: 70.109.53.110 Subject: Re: [orca-list] slack probably inaccessible, maybe something happened in firefox 57? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 20:03:58 -0000 I looked at emacs-slack, but I need to connect via ssl -- with this package do that? On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:57:04 -0500, Alan Ghelardi wrote: >=20 > Have a look at: https://github.com/yuya373/emacs-slack. The > Github page has everything that you need to get started. >=20 >=20 > On 11/21/2017 01:46 PM, John Covici wrote: > > hmmm, I tried installing slack melpa package, but could not find any > > documentation or any way how to use it. Is the emacs-slack different > > from this one? > >=20 > > On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 07:18:14 -0500, > > Alan Ghelardi wrote: > >> [1 ] > >> [1.1 ] > >> [1.2 ] > >> Some friends are complaining about the accessibility of Firefox 57 on = Windows systems. maybe there were accessibility regressions that affected s= ome applications on Linux as well, although I haven't tested yet and can't = confirm this. > >> However the better way that I've found to use Slack on a computer was = through a Emacs package called emacs-slack. It provides an excelent access = to the majority of Slack features without accessibility problems. > >>=20 > >> Obviously if you aren't an Emacs user there is no sense on using it ju= st for getting access to Slack, but if you are, I strongly recommend having= a look at it. My company uses Slack heavily and this package has saved my = life since I was > >> having lots of problems to interact with Slack with Firefox. By the wa= y, the iPhone app also works relatively well. > >>=20 > >> On 11/21/2017 09:24 AM, Micha=B3 Zegan wrote: > >>=20 > >> Hello. > >>=20 > >> Slack seems to be inaccessible on new firefox, before it was far bette= r. > >> You need access to any kind of slack channel. > >> When you join it, your focus goes to the message field, when you switch > >> to browse mode you should be able to navigate around, and previously it > >> was possible, but not it reacts... weird, and actually doesn't really = work. > >>=20 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> orca-list mailing list > >> orca-list@gnome.org > >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/= stable/a11y.html > >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > >>=20 > >> [2 ] > >> _______________________________________________ > >> orca-list mailing list > >> orca-list@gnome.org > >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/= stable/a11y.html > >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >=20 --=20 Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici covici@ccs.covici.com From simon.eigeldinger@vol.at Tue Nov 21 20:08:03 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6FA1763C7 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 20:08:03 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id My9XiqT5HMXq for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 20:08:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rmisp-mx-out1.tele.net (rmisp-mx-out1.tele.net [194.183.132.17]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 95CBA7632A for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 20:08:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.178.20] (194-208-201-238.tele.net [194.208.201.238]) by rmisp-mx-out1.tele.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 8A96D1000043 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 21:07:57 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org From: Simon Eigeldinger Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 21:07:51 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 171121-4, 21.11.2017), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [orca-list] fedora net install X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 20:08:03 -0000 Hi all, Anyone knows how accessible the fedora netinstall media is? the live dvd is accessible but unfortunately for 32 bit there is just a net install cd around. Greetings, Simon --- Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren gepr=C3=BCft. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From alan.ghelardi@gmail.com Tue Nov 21 20:34:31 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5563763C7 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 20:34:31 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m0uIyVEGC_cd for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 20:34:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qk0-f171.google.com (mail-qk0-f171.google.com [209.85.220.171]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 501257609D for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 20:34:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qk0-f171.google.com with SMTP id b85so13888823qkc.13 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 12:34:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=bCsIRmBB6w3PYUMhDLgyN6ph+0HDV+DFYWwfti0ryPo=; b=rbv62pHvDisfozCMavfBnZn980Y3X3zMB3tU7rE6+rvCaUWq1m6jBidy67M9OUkWM1 bZl3imT7E3bt6KicWLQu6pQy25Bd7z44AC0AGqvgJEfCi1iCJK3FTTK9GZyjGYZRGSlE cl6G/QhiYG70HF1+UVQ841XCrPvEBxx5RrceAJlPvF9jHVDLZwQDEronub/43lNSl2gN LtUuYwZMhV4WjYGcGUbYzQIJhilCn10oSfD67y6AVgfgBs3XB61EpSJTmWkejNZ6FkXu RlN0VWEhtmv89geLuXrc55gVFpTta571Uj6PmIj4CdnJdldprt/fVu4y8vroA2rvXDqS mOgg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=bCsIRmBB6w3PYUMhDLgyN6ph+0HDV+DFYWwfti0ryPo=; b=KJKLa/etsUYSeUAfnvvQgH17S00/yqB8BnvxWvWzFrH6EnlnmWQjW9uBcnhcsXvMch 5zTabLBDvTw5ZKDBMdFo4HHBo4zqonBBk8tCEO1Nc2/y6EPjSptyk/PYLLzfUQ0A695u xpjXxeQ3FbPjiwWOEGdeI6zpQtjZn/tMdd4xkx6bVNRuF/pgnDyMEH/U9zmhi9opvhAz NC+V/rwrYoUqrj7apNegCLJ8OUjMo/k53QhaawMZ2eC533OH66rIbjz/a4S5X7Swi9LW qjUC6zrX2apuXHgonaxQjtcoZ9GndM+mpFuo8avVV8x0OONC/+vU+NXBrOBs1d6/Sxtw mcoA== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX7npas1mkV49A2AvBGxem455Ar9/yHBqcXhVvlKhYa7rvg4Fu/q hHmyzeH5jWAFvrqDPWarMKpE1gbw X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMbhgiruXkz2Ebxlw03sF/jXBrPNg1Bu4deZ6graOo8OrK9abB1yzJ6nWdumyStZYwpnzjsnOg== X-Received: by 10.55.39.84 with SMTP id n81mr9642515qkn.278.1511296467909; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 12:34:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.19.193.125] ([186.215.172.10]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 2sm9835018qto.28.2017.11.21.12.34.26 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 21 Nov 2017 12:34:27 -0800 (PST) To: covici@ccs.covici.com Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=c5=82_Zegan?= , orca-list References: <9c94fb41-c90a-b57b-c543-a0a6af341b10@poczta.onet.pl> From: Alan Ghelardi Message-ID: <3cb1266d-8adc-41fd-f217-26c22ebfc8a5@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 18:34:40 -0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] slack probably inaccessible, maybe something happened in firefox 57? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 20:34:31 -0000 Not sure if I understood your question. Please, could you elaborate? On 11/21/2017 06:03 PM, John Covici wrote: > I looked at emacs-slack, but I need to connect via ssl -- with this > package do that? > > On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:57:04 -0500, > Alan Ghelardi wrote: >> Have a look at: https://github.com/yuya373/emacs-slack. The >> Github page has everything that you need to get started. >> >> >> On 11/21/2017 01:46 PM, John Covici wrote: >>> hmmm, I tried installing slack melpa package, but could not find any >>> documentation or any way how to use it. Is the emacs-slack different >>> from this one? >>> >>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 07:18:14 -0500, >>> Alan Ghelardi wrote: >>>> [1 ] >>>> [1.1 ] >>>> [1.2 ] >>>> Some friends are complaining about the accessibility of Firefox 57 on Windows systems. maybe there were accessibility regressions that affected some applications on Linux as well, although I haven't tested yet and can't confirm this. >>>> However the better way that I've found to use Slack on a computer was through a Emacs package called emacs-slack. It provides an excelent access to the majority of Slack features without accessibility problems. >>>> >>>> Obviously if you aren't an Emacs user there is no sense on using it just for getting access to Slack, but if you are, I strongly recommend having a look at it. My company uses Slack heavily and this package has saved my life since I was >>>> having lots of problems to interact with Slack with Firefox. By the way, the iPhone app also works relatively well. >>>> >>>> On 11/21/2017 09:24 AM, Micha Zegan wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello. >>>> >>>> Slack seems to be inaccessible on new firefox, before it was far better. >>>> You need access to any kind of slack channel. >>>> When you join it, your focus goes to the message field, when you switch >>>> to browse mode you should be able to navigate around, and previously it >>>> was possible, but not it reacts... weird, and actually doesn't really work. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>> >>>> [2 ] >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From jdiggs@igalia.com Tue Nov 21 21:11:38 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FFAD763C7 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 21:11:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.011 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.011 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r6qJBhLNmF6B for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 21:11:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [91.117.99.155]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0D4A47609D for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 21:11:36 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:Cc:From:References:To:Subject; bh=RI6kCASCsMmaR/Ccg3lKgPNH70J2jx45RQ8VysdJwjM=; b=aU7O7lEkcnKEuoMZagUZuk9ve/os9mRVvwHDtXpBwEI24osaGYMVg2h0Sr/3Chwljw7stw7iu7EdFpt2jF8kci3MQK/CtHQ8aKDNZownwRl9xokLVy34nAqmNIOyuqCJlY8+mJtefrZ3//4OPmyNVPULAIJiaROX9aqP69k9NChEKxY0gKMlR+dQJqHxK9RHgnyXJqDvkBAnukFAlB8lFiJNwxUcmdLlEm1Xc8UFkN8HUwuZg3uW1k81qrFjdv8CVtzUhXu+e0vmRhWpwK8cTCWjZmg8NvGFyUEffNjmdfIQbxDHU6ecmSQ3C/iUp45U0uV0e+5hUkvYK/oHUKTO3Q==; Received: from c-24-91-94-186.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([24.91.94.186] helo=[192.168.35.111]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1eHFpM-0005PP-HG; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 22:11:32 +0100 To: =?UTF-8?B?Vm9qdMSbY2ggxaFtaXJv?= References: From: Joanmarie Diggs Cc: Orca List Message-ID: <3dc04076-a5e5-675a-a421-ea88a71c661a@igalia.com> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:11:20 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Sound icons in Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 21:11:38 -0000 Hi Vojta, all. If you already have sound files, as opposed to tones to be generated, I believe I already put that support in place a few years ago as an "experimental feature." (i.e. no documentation or GUI until we had some real-world stuff to work with). Around that time, I put out a request for people to provide a set of sound files appropriate to the purpose you describe -- and which I could either include in Orca or which we could link to on the wiki. After I worked out any kinks, I planned to document it and enable GUI support. And if memory serves me, the lack of responses is where things stalled. So.... I'll use this message as a re-request. If someone is good at sound themes and wants to provide a me a set of files for roles, state changes, and the like, let me know. Then I'll plug it in and folks can play with it. Thanks! --joanie On 11/14/2017 06:16 AM, Vojtěch šmiro wrote: > Hello. > > Is some way to make sound icons in Orca? I would like to have this. Orca > will not say buttons, links, checkboxes, but it wil play sound. Is it > possible? > > Thanks. > > Best regards > > Vojta. > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > From covici@ccs.covici.com Tue Nov 21 21:47:20 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8BE6763D7 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 21:47:20 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NriVqBrrkvJU for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 21:47:19 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 2168 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at restaurant.gnome.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 21:47:19 UTC Received: from mail0152.smtp25.com (mail0152.smtp25.com [75.126.84.152]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AF70876357 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 21:47:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ccs.covici.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ccs.covici.com (8.14.9/8.14.8) with ESMTP id vALLAws8008747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:10:58 -0500 Received: (from covici@localhost) by ccs.covici.com (8.14.9/8.13.7/Submit) id vALLAvGO008746; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:10:57 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:10:57 -0500 Message-ID: From: John Covici To: Alan Ghelardi Cc: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Micha=B3?= Zegan , orca-list In-Reply-To: <3cb1266d-8adc-41fd-f217-26c22ebfc8a5@gmail.com> References: <9c94fb41-c90a-b57b-c543-a0a6af341b10@poczta.onet.pl> <3cb1266d-8adc-41fd-f217-26c22ebfc8a5@gmail.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) SEMI-EPG/1.14.7 (Harue) FLIM/1.14.9 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Goj=F2?=) APEL/10.8 EasyPG/1.0.0 Emacs/25.3 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Reply-To: covici@ccs.covici.com Organization: Covici Computer Systems MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SpamH-Filter: d-out-001.smtp25.com-vALLAwxp030005 X-SpamH-OriginatingIP: 70.109.53.110 Subject: Re: [orca-list] slack probably inaccessible, maybe something happened in firefox 57? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 21:47:21 -0000 My team requires an ssl connection, will the package you talked about from github do that? On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 15:34:40 -0500, Alan Ghelardi wrote: >=20 > Not sure if I understood your question. Please, could you elaborate? >=20 >=20 > On 11/21/2017 06:03 PM, John Covici wrote: > > I looked at emacs-slack, but I need to connect via ssl -- with this > > package do that? > >=20 > > On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:57:04 -0500, > > Alan Ghelardi wrote: > >> Have a look at: https://github.com/yuya373/emacs-slack. The > >> Github page has everything that you need to get started. > >>=20 > >>=20 > >> On 11/21/2017 01:46 PM, John Covici wrote: > >>> hmmm, I tried installing slack melpa package, but could not find any > >>> documentation or any way how to use it. Is the emacs-slack different > >>> from this one? > >>>=20 > >>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 07:18:14 -0500, > >>> Alan Ghelardi wrote: > >>>> [1 ] > >>>> [1.1 ] > >>>> [1.2 ] > >>>> Some friends are complaining about the accessibility of Firefox 57 o= n Windows systems. maybe there were accessibility regressions that affected= some applications on Linux as well, although I haven't tested yet and can'= t confirm this. > >>>> However the better way that I've found to use Slack on a computer wa= s through a Emacs package called emacs-slack. It provides an excelent acces= s to the majority of Slack features without accessibility problems. > >>>>=20 > >>>> Obviously if you aren't an Emacs user there is no sense on using it = just for getting access to Slack, but if you are, I strongly recommend havi= ng a look at it. My company uses Slack heavily and this package has saved m= y life since I was > >>>> having lots of problems to interact with Slack with Firefox. By the = way, the iPhone app also works relatively well. > >>>>=20 > >>>> On 11/21/2017 09:24 AM, Micha=B3 Zegan wrote: > >>>>=20 > >>>> Hello. > >>>>=20 > >>>> Slack seems to be inaccessible on new firefox, before it was far bet= ter. > >>>> You need access to any kind of slack channel. > >>>> When you join it, your focus goes to the message field, when you swi= tch > >>>> to browse mode you should be able to navigate around, and previously= it > >>>> was possible, but not it reacts... weird, and actually doesn't reall= y work. > >>>>=20 > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> orca-list mailing list > >>>> orca-list@gnome.org > >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > >>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > >>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-hel= p/stable/a11y.html > >>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > >>>>=20 > >>>> [2 ] > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> orca-list mailing list > >>>> orca-list@gnome.org > >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > >>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > >>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-hel= p/stable/a11y.html > >>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >=20 --=20 Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici covici@ccs.covici.com From mgorse@alum.wpi.edu Wed Nov 22 01:15:25 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CC7476290 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 01:15:25 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.212 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.212 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LlRi1dX1qRv3 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 01:15:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from MAIL1.WPI.EDU (mail1.wpi.edu [130.215.36.91]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8845676225 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 01:15:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from MAIL1.WPI.EDU (MAIL1.WPI.EDU [130.215.36.91]) by MAIL1.WPI.EDU (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTP id vAM1FLok021238; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 20:15:21 -0500 DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 MAIL1.WPI.EDU vAM1FLok021238 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=wpi.edu; s=_dkim; t=1511313321; i=@wpi.edu; bh=y0fr/gcJL2htSJwyEYXasqnsiFu+FAuEPa/A9g2e7DI=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=u0iWsZgvg5KPqVZciUsY2NaFIhhPEcOm41h9TchYHP9tK87JwNh09grklsi7VqcUH KoInzxRvsx5Gbf5x6WOBSlcVeBZDGRTThsVukniB3uRa96jhQxX6a6lPFI8dCbN3r2 NzT7WUYze9p9S1EibNzf53w3qVQyAUFPmTUVEFwk= Received: from mx3.wpi.edu (mx3.wpi.edu [130.215.36.147]) by MAIL1.WPI.EDU (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTP id vAM1FKKV021234; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 20:15:21 -0500 Received: from ALUM.WPI.EDU (alum.wpi.edu [130.215.36.126]) by mx3.wpi.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id vAM1FJnw016751; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 20:15:20 -0500 (envelope-from mgorse@alum.wpi.edu) Received: from ALUM.WPI.EDU (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ALUM.WPI.EDU (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPS id vAM1FJlO027022 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 21 Nov 2017 20:15:19 -0500 Received: from localhost (mgorse@localhost) by ALUM.WPI.EDU (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTP id vAM1FJuP027018; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 20:15:19 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 20:15:19 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Gorse To: Janina Sajka cc: orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20171121161128.GA4885@rednote.net> Message-ID: References: <7485234d-4965-2843-faa9-e17af6785f5e@microlitesoftware.co.uk> <54792b01-ca54-f7f0-22cc-657f9237ff93@gmail.com> <3A15E1CD-C634-457F-8E80-138BC4918CF6@gmail.com> <7b106773-793d-0cdf-146a-dd018d49e82d@microlitesoftware.co.uk> <16d88bd1-5f43-01ab-15d8-e05117ebf84f@math.wisc.edu> <20171121161128.GA4885@rednote.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (LRH 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIIII, Probability=8%, Report=' HTML_00_01 0.05, HTML_00_10 0.05, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_1100_1199 0, BODY_SIZE_2000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS 0, DATE_TZ_NA 0, FROM_EDU_TLD 0, IN_REP_TO 0, LEGITIMATE_SIGNS 0, MSG_THREAD 0, MULTIPLE_REAL_RCPTS 0, NO_CTA_URI_FOUND 0, NO_URI_FOUND 0, NO_URI_HTTPS 0, REFERENCES 0, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ 0, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT 0, __CT 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __FORWARDED_MSG 0, __FRAUD_MONEY_CURRENCY 0, __FRAUD_MONEY_CURRENCY_DOLLAR 0, __HAS_CC_HDR 0, __HAS_FROM 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __IN_REP_TO 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_TEXT_P 0, __MIME_TEXT_P1 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __NO_HTML_TAG_RAW 0, __OEM_PRICE 0, __PHISH_SPEAR_STRUCTURE_1 0, __REFERENCES 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __STOCK_PHRASE_7 0, __SUBJ_ALPHA_END 0, __SUBJ_ALPHA_NEGATE 0, __TO_MALFORMED_2 0, __TO_NAME 0, __TO_NAME_DIFF_FROM_ACC 0, __TO_REAL_NAMES 0, __USER_AGENT 0' Subject: Re: [orca-list] Virtualisation software that works well with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 01:15:25 -0000 Hi Janina, Yes, I'm getting sound from within a vm. I mostly use VMs to install/test different versions of SLED and sometimes openSUSE, but I've set up a win10 vm before, and I believe I had NVDA installed there. Here is part of a script that I use to launch it: if [ x"$1" == "xwin10" ]; then qemu-kvm -m 4096 -soundhw hda -usb -netdev user,id=mynet0 -device e1000,netdev=mynet0 -display gtk -hda $1.img # if installing, add: -cdrom win10.iso fi That being said, I see from another thread that you have a rather complicated sound setup, so I don't know if that would do exactly what you want, but, regardless, it might be worth experimenting with it. On Tue, 21 Nov 2017, Janina Sajka via orca-list wrote: > All the complexity with sound on Linux has kept me away from graphical > vms hosted on Linux. I had very few issues with sound on my Mac Airbook > using VMware. > > So, I'm very interested to hear Mike propose qemu. I know that's very > reliable for console clients. But, Mike, are you actually getting sound, > including TTS, from qemu guest vms? 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[78.157.160.1]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id b17sm10354415edj.21.2017.11.22.00.35.46 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 22 Nov 2017 00:35:46 -0800 (PST) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: From: =?UTF-8?Q?Pavel_Vl=c4=8dek?= Message-ID: <85bf0a29-7418-9d47-95f6-7f104811ffea@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 09:35:48 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: cs-CZ Subject: Re: [orca-list] fedora net install X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 08:35:52 -0000 Hi, at this Time, Fedora net installer isn't accessible. Pavel Dne 21.11.2017 v 21:07 Simon Eigeldinger via orca-list napsal(a): > Hi all, > Anyone knows how accessible the fedora netinstall media is? > the live dvd is accessible but unfortunately for 32 bit there is just > a net install cd around. > > Greetings, > Simon > > --- > Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren geprüft. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From alexarnaud@hypra.fr Wed Nov 22 09:41:21 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77C217620D for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 09:41:21 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.012 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.012 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GA5ZfV6cW2BT for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 09:41:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra.fr (hypra.fr [62.210.38.35]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F77E761F1 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 09:41:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.10.190.4] (unknown [89.227.222.139]) by hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 83986580F5E; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:41:16 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hypra.fr; s=mail; t=1511343676; bh=FRrjiYzzt6jZFZX3uYfuEGCMArSNf7CuZNtvEK6iddg=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=KD+MUNY9LtcdeLRcZM37DGrDMDblgu4QkljTmVxRry6sPv5YQ0NEUvJE6n4mRaJCp RMFgVcqvZZBerrU3J8OX0581aZXEz9i+R+B8jJbvmYlpl3gjGn4eAORbIDVc7vtjpz jCSS7O93omOx0smV59r+lKIDoAUDh0KFU2UOuxdQ= To: Joanmarie Diggs , =?UTF-8?B?Vm9qdMSbY2ggxaFtaXJv?= Cc: Orca List References: <3dc04076-a5e5-675a-a421-ea88a71c661a@igalia.com> From: Alex ARNAUD Organization: Hypra Message-ID: <7902907e-f48f-fe49-4ba3-8cfe4480fe72@hypra.fr> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:41:57 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3dc04076-a5e5-675a-a421-ea88a71c661a@igalia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Sound icons in Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 09:41:21 -0000 Le 21/11/2017 à 22:11, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit : > So.... I'll use this message as a re-request. If someone is good at > sound themes and wants to provide a me a set of files for roles, state > changes, and the like, let me know. Then I'll plug it in and folks can > play with it. Hello Joanie, Do you think the Android Talkback theme could be used inside Orca ? Best regards. -- Alex ARNAUD Visual-Impairment Project Manager Hypra - "Humanizing technology" From pvdeejay@gmail.com Wed Nov 22 10:43:58 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46F27764B4 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:43:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7ZoIzPSigOak for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:43:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wr0-f178.google.com (mail-wr0-f178.google.com [209.85.128.178]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A35B4764AF for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:43:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wr0-f178.google.com with SMTP id u40so14073851wrf.10 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 02:43:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=lbGWuMCmjCRGGD7QfIUXorLv0EaKVYVYyC8fiHdZh28=; b=N5dU/VQ873wNzESo7yRp7YPh5bxXYNJlwRh1F3A3GxHKVdbDXZ/5Su/qbTFYtiH1Jq sdVgyEDi/1nBtoa7J3RGq2rXS92piz+1R3t1Diu6G3aM34WFFrsWHsxXk9ee4gjyCEcC z+K6vyxNfCDygH4AHr+5Wk0VivWwxVq3/3MO8kx4b8lhWfTK2Vew6DnAhLw1fWltr4pQ /cbWpJfj0TYRpixloW129mVP/mZ+r8Dmpnr0a+vpFShMD71xfWvDk3U+H7JHI8sxJWWI g2sV1JFKwp1MnHH0McoMKiLle0xcEM7mzvTWjp6hPj2HXmVdbp/nTU/ToI1NR66ab61t E12Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=lbGWuMCmjCRGGD7QfIUXorLv0EaKVYVYyC8fiHdZh28=; b=a1mKE9wohAPHsmGi8C8a5YTTCPOADmDXpHSEFp5ZPJzEs4A+c1955PsbEktAukkzV0 ba1SkpOvPMatKTFpIvQUCXrbJPcp3JaMitBqHz9RCOOexbxe+7FVzUKi3rkArAPyG1c+ nmyN+QvpRfv5YV5bAsGnUuf212dw7CGC24MGZBYqb7bvipeOtk9+t20ZdRwnJBUub7U/ QmleopWE0DMl05nL+yJFqqmci91Bo/w3of4zQhWHYfLWz7bohLFri+c9HfFtq41XzvsG mSlQ8nnemkFDF3V+v6Z/yKOqExxf0qFraVDZb9HEWp7n1t0jh8lK9vaYWIM0P5bfgoZr lMFw== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX4lUs0Uggdu7d+2slWImWI8XPDOjMEseldwGjY3HrYH0oCSJxZN fveTK8SxqjrtKME8eFpN8fBfv9Q4duB9QFwJfWs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMbY6BIOuwWLDzWIvgwlYpsHjAQBhwG4zY3jng/z7rgZjAnnd/2faummG58k7lXkPP8QhzqD4zUxMcJzxgI3k+U= X-Received: by 10.223.142.143 with SMTP id q15mr11712598wrb.6.1511347433906; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 02:43:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.184.76 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 02:43:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <7485234d-4965-2843-faa9-e17af6785f5e@microlitesoftware.co.uk> <54792b01-ca54-f7f0-22cc-657f9237ff93@gmail.com> <3A15E1CD-C634-457F-8E80-138BC4918CF6@gmail.com> <7b106773-793d-0cdf-146a-dd018d49e82d@microlitesoftware.co.uk> <16d88bd1-5f43-01ab-15d8-e05117ebf84f@math.wisc.edu> <20171121161128.GA4885@rednote.net> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=C3=A1gner?= Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:43:53 +0100 Message-ID: To: Mike Gorse Cc: Janina Sajka , orca-list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f403045f517cee26e8055e8ffe21" Subject: Re: [orca-list] Virtualisation software that works well with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:43:58 -0000 --f403045f517cee26e8055e8ffe21 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I do have similar script to Mike's and before starting qemu I am setting this variable to force qemu to use pulseaudio for sound. export QEMU_AUDIO_DRV=pa And when the guest machine is running I can move its corresponding pulse source-output to whatever sink i.e. if I want to showcase what the VM is playing to my colleagues I will route it to the device with loud speakers connected. For my tinkering I can move it to my bluetooth headset to tinker with. It works reliably and I am even running Windows 10 this way occassionally. I am sure qemu can use alsa directly and it hopefully also has some kind of configuration so you can configure its output and input audio device so after digging a bit to the qemu docs you should be able to come up with tweaks for your extensive audio setup. Greetings Peter 2017-11-22 2:15 GMT+01:00 Mike Gorse : > Hi Janina, > > Yes, I'm getting sound from within a vm. I mostly use VMs to install/test > different versions of SLED and sometimes openSUSE, but I've set up a win10 > vm before, and I believe I had NVDA installed there. Here is part of a > script that I use to launch it: > > if [ x"$1" == "xwin10" ]; then > qemu-kvm -m 4096 -soundhw hda -usb -netdev user,id=mynet0 -device > e1000,netdev=mynet0 -display gtk -hda $1.img > # if installing, add: -cdrom win10.iso > fi > > That being said, I see from another thread that you have a rather > complicated sound setup, so I don't know if that would do exactly what you > want, but, regardless, it might be worth experimenting with it. > > On Tue, 21 Nov 2017, Janina Sajka via orca-list wrote: > > All the complexity with sound on Linux has kept me away from graphical >> vms hosted on Linux. I had very few issues with sound on my Mac Airbook >> using VMware. >> >> So, I'm very interested to hear Mike propose qemu. I know that's very >> reliable for console clients. But, Mike, are you actually getting sound, >> including TTS, from qemu guest vms? Can you run NVDA in a Windows guest >> on a Linux qemu host, for instance? >> >> Janina >> > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/g > nome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > --f403045f517cee26e8055e8ffe21 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I do have similar script to Mike's and before sta= rting qemu I am setting this variable to force qemu to use pulseaudio for s= ound.
export QEMU_AUDIO_DRV=3Dpa

And whe= n the guest machine is running I can move its corresponding pulse source-ou= tput to whatever sink i.e. if I want to showcase what the VM is playing to = my colleagues I will route it to the device with loud speakers connected. F= or my tinkering I can move it to my bluetooth headset to tinker with.
=
It works reliably and I am even running Windows 10 this way occassiona= lly.

I am sure qemu can use alsa directly and it h= opefully also has some kind of configuration so you can configure its outpu= t and input audio device so after digging a bit to the qemu docs you should= be able to come up with tweaks for your extensive audio setup.
<= br>
Greetings

Peter

=

2017-11-22 = 2:15 GMT+01:00 Mike Gorse <mgorse@alum.wpi.edu>:
Hi Janina,

Yes, I'm getting sound from within a vm. I mostly use VMs to install/te= st different versions of SLED and sometimes openSUSE, but I've set up a= win10 vm before, and I believe I had NVDA installed there. Here is part of= a script that I use to launch it:

if [ x"$1" =3D=3D "xwin10" ]; then
=C2=A0 qemu-kvm -m 4096 -soundhw hda -usb -netdev user,id=3Dmynet0 -device = e1000,netdev=3Dmynet0 -display gtk -hda $1.img
=C2=A0 # if installing, add: -cdrom win10.iso
fi

That being said, I see from another thread that you have a rather complicat= ed sound setup, so I don't know if that would do exactly what you want,= but, regardless, it might be worth experimenting with it.

On Tue, 21 Nov 2017, Janina Sajka via orca-list wrote:

All the complexity with sound on Linux has kept me away from graphical
vms hosted on Linux. I had very few issues with sound on my Mac Airbook
using VMware.

So, I'm very interested to hear Mike propose qemu. I know that's ve= ry
reliable for console clients. But, Mike, are you actually getting sound, including TTS, from qemu guest vms? Can you run NVDA in a Windows guest
on a Linux qemu host, for instance?

Janina
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However as an addition we might also like to borrow some sounds from this NVDA addon created by Austin Hicks and Bryan Smart http://camlorn.net/pages/unspoken.html . Greetings Peter 2017-11-22 10:41 GMT+01:00 Alex ARNAUD : > Le 21/11/2017 =C3=A0 22:11, Joanmarie Diggs a =C3=A9crit : > >> So.... I'll use this message as a re-request. If someone is good at >> sound themes and wants to provide a me a set of files for roles, state >> changes, and the like, let me know. Then I'll plug it in and folks can >> play with it. >> > > Hello Joanie, > > Do you think the Android Talkback theme could be used inside Orca ? > > Best regards. > -- > Alex ARNAUD > Visual-Impairment Project Manager > Hypra - "Humanizing technology" > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/g > nome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > --f403045f155efd40e1055e902059 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,

We do have many more = roles and states on the gnome desktop than there are on android / talkback = and also they are using midi for some of their sounds so I would say it won= 't be very easy to use their sounds.

However a= s an addition we might also like to borrow some sounds from this NVDA addon= created by Austin Hicks and Bryan Smart http://camlorn.net/pages/unspoken.html .
Greetings

Peter


2017-11-2= 2 10:41 GMT+01:00 Alex ARNAUD <alexarnaud@hypra.fr>:
Le 21/11/2017 =C3=A0 22:11, J= oanmarie Diggs a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
So.... I'll use this message as a re-request. If someone is good at
sound themes and wants to provide a me a set of files for roles, state
changes, and the like, let me know. Then I'll plug it in and folks can<= br> play with it.

 Hello Joanie,

Do you think the Android Talkback theme could be used inside Orca ?

Best regards.
--
Alex ARNAUD
Visual-Impairment Project Manager
Hypra - "Humanizing technology"

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--f403045f155efd40e1055e902059-- From alan.ghelardi@gmail.com Wed Nov 22 11:02:10 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1501A76202 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:02:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DG_s46jj1LAi for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:02:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qk0-f173.google.com (mail-qk0-f173.google.com [209.85.220.173]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C11BD761E4 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:02:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qk0-f173.google.com with SMTP id o6so16146320qkh.3 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 03:02:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=yhR54xwBzCqyzcjBk3SeDZy/Y7ybV8a+Mq7fERBhpbQ=; b=WYgSmLIh435LZNQsA3aPgbno30JikAbrobyTW8XC3tgoGm7Vc9vqSsNrdkNkUCn7f5 TdtSIYtoOHI/emNgv0c14/k05rC2yecWlnV2tsPjkWtmPNEr+TC84Uac18gM2YvIQmGs LwGZGSaSK2v6ZulcS7EPTL/6VXI8XR8f8Ce7pOhnOGkBnJOhYoPPSKTsge30onsS30jU swQO2rfzFEAaBIPf8FqheW2Ca/Mmbmpi0JMVO6oPB2+6v6eeiMISk3YSs3kj8yJf94LR h9a5bRS16fXoDbPTDXIcwThKV9s0Xi5rMJ15WZuvb7zcm+NFZvbLA+nhzMEG/unyUGT3 krDw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=yhR54xwBzCqyzcjBk3SeDZy/Y7ybV8a+Mq7fERBhpbQ=; b=ksLzAYqbsIBPAPzte1erWRyb1rpLXYsib00CaNTDElwjy8V8QlClTad3bqVJvwLDG1 yMG8A0GaIgxTNZYg7qXKFFaYcokGzUqOH57vGj9l73W4CTBGDMUKDH3XWlN0rxe98HPM 1gUk07ATJ8C4zY7eAOFl3o+i2meeByzK3GRzR8oRASynD4Iu1A4mbMtoKQU0Nsl4FsoR /7fZWcRKlIPEUZ6tGp8x7Uk45yLBMZMAl6mPa2pO9FOMSDHVs99R9Ti7qoHKHSf2f0e2 B62030Ay/nakcJssDI7KcP178DMHb4BMU5Kidx2QJyKdqJLaRAYp/6dzE1znXtEIC4fd uoDA== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX6+4CKXI2dwJJQTVmIXDu14/v6ZpAPlgsSLmtOiPmQm3tE+XNa1 11k9CQ0tfQ9IRVzMS+0Mp1KKhlqI X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMbFQtNJzJHoTQTFnfXJjLn1bPSo36JIXbsAWr74qJtrOLkxGJ0KMDnQ0Oz+EOHUtN2Nvb6aQg== X-Received: by 10.55.143.134 with SMTP id r128mr19290999qkd.320.1511348526560; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 03:02:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.19.193.125] ([201.85.54.178]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l136sm10250146qke.30.2017.11.22.03.02.05 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 22 Nov 2017 03:02:06 -0800 (PST) To: covici@ccs.covici.com Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=c5=82_Zegan?= , orca-list References: <9c94fb41-c90a-b57b-c543-a0a6af341b10@poczta.onet.pl> <3cb1266d-8adc-41fd-f217-26c22ebfc8a5@gmail.com> From: Alan Ghelardi Message-ID: <9d5475e6-669b-3193-1e09-4e5d7d198b5f@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 09:02:20 -0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] slack probably inaccessible, maybe something happened in firefox 57? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:02:10 -0000 This package is just a client that interacts with Slack's Web API via an https connection. Notice that you should create an app associated to your account in order to obtain a client id, a secret key and a token to authorize the connection. On 11/21/2017 07:10 PM, John Covici wrote: > My team requires an ssl connection, will the package you talked about > from github do that? > > On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 15:34:40 -0500, > Alan Ghelardi wrote: >> Not sure if I understood your question. Please, could you elaborate? >> >> >> On 11/21/2017 06:03 PM, John Covici wrote: >>> I looked at emacs-slack, but I need to connect via ssl -- with this >>> package do that? >>> >>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:57:04 -0500, >>> Alan Ghelardi wrote: >>>> Have a look at: https://github.com/yuya373/emacs-slack. The >>>> Github page has everything that you need to get started. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 11/21/2017 01:46 PM, John Covici wrote: >>>>> hmmm, I tried installing slack melpa package, but could not find any >>>>> documentation or any way how to use it. Is the emacs-slack different >>>>> from this one? >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 07:18:14 -0500, >>>>> Alan Ghelardi wrote: >>>>>> [1 ] >>>>>> [1.1 ] >>>>>> [1.2 ] >>>>>> Some friends are complaining about the accessibility of Firefox 57 on Windows systems. maybe there were accessibility regressions that affected some applications on Linux as well, although I haven't tested yet and can't confirm this. >>>>>> However the better way that I've found to use Slack on a computer was through a Emacs package called emacs-slack. It provides an excelent access to the majority of Slack features without accessibility problems. >>>>>> >>>>>> Obviously if you aren't an Emacs user there is no sense on using it just for getting access to Slack, but if you are, I strongly recommend having a look at it. My company uses Slack heavily and this package has saved my life since I was >>>>>> having lots of problems to interact with Slack with Firefox. By the way, the iPhone app also works relatively well. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 11/21/2017 09:24 AM, Micha Zegan wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello. >>>>>> >>>>>> Slack seems to be inaccessible on new firefox, before it was far better. >>>>>> You need access to any kind of slack channel. >>>>>> When you join it, your focus goes to the message field, when you switch >>>>>> to browse mode you should be able to navigate around, and previously it >>>>>> was possible, but not it reacts... weird, and actually doesn't really work. >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>>>> >>>>>> [2 ] >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From covici@ccs.covici.com Wed Nov 22 11:38:22 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2274C76202 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:38:22 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GhHjvYvuY1aD for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:38:20 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 1981 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at restaurant.gnome.org; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:38:20 UTC Received: from a2-out-001.smtp25.com (a2-out-001.smtp25.com [50.201.66.168]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 430BF761E4 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:38:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ccs.covici.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ccs.covici.com (8.14.9/8.14.8) with ESMTP id vAMB58to006621 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 22 Nov 2017 06:05:08 -0500 Received: (from covici@localhost) by ccs.covici.com (8.14.9/8.13.7/Submit) id vAMB58Mt006620; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 06:05:08 -0500 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 06:05:08 -0500 Message-ID: From: John Covici To: Alan Ghelardi Cc: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Micha=B3?= Zegan , orca-list In-Reply-To: <9d5475e6-669b-3193-1e09-4e5d7d198b5f@gmail.com> References: <9c94fb41-c90a-b57b-c543-a0a6af341b10@poczta.onet.pl> <3cb1266d-8adc-41fd-f217-26c22ebfc8a5@gmail.com> <9d5475e6-669b-3193-1e09-4e5d7d198b5f@gmail.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) SEMI-EPG/1.14.7 (Harue) FLIM/1.14.9 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Goj=F2?=) APEL/10.8 EasyPG/1.0.0 Emacs/25.3 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Reply-To: covici@ccs.covici.com Organization: Covici Computer Systems MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SpamH-Filter: a2-out-001.smtp25.com-vAMB58nn024540 X-SpamH-OriginatingIP: 70.109.53.110 X-MIMEDefang-Relay-ca7e395729062400c36e9cbcb508575aec105509: 70.109.53.110 Subject: Re: [orca-list] slack probably inaccessible, maybe something happened in firefox 57? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:38:22 -0000 Also, any way to download a file using this package -- I see something to upload the file, but how about downloading? On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 06:02:20 -0500, Alan Ghelardi wrote: >=20 > This package is just a client that interacts with Slack's Web API > via an https connection. Notice that you should create an app > associated to your account in order to obtain a client id, a > secret key and a token to authorize the connection. >=20 >=20 > On 11/21/2017 07:10 PM, John Covici wrote: > > My team requires an ssl connection, will the package you talked about > > from github do that? > >=20 > > On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 15:34:40 -0500, > > Alan Ghelardi wrote: > >> Not sure if I understood your question. Please, could you elaborate? > >>=20 > >>=20 > >> On 11/21/2017 06:03 PM, John Covici wrote: > >>> I looked at emacs-slack, but I need to connect via ssl -- with this > >>> package do that? > >>>=20 > >>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:57:04 -0500, > >>> Alan Ghelardi wrote: > >>>> Have a look at: https://github.com/yuya373/emacs-slack. The > >>>> Github page has everything that you need to get started. > >>>>=20 > >>>>=20 > >>>> On 11/21/2017 01:46 PM, John Covici wrote: > >>>>> hmmm, I tried installing slack melpa package, but could not find any > >>>>> documentation or any way how to use it. Is the emacs-slack differe= nt > >>>>> from this one? > >>>>>=20 > >>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 07:18:14 -0500, > >>>>> Alan Ghelardi wrote: > >>>>>> [1 ] > >>>>>> [1.1 ] > >>>>>> [1.2 ] > >>>>>> Some friends are complaining about the accessibility of Firefox 57= on Windows systems. maybe there were accessibility regressions that affect= ed some applications on Linux as well, although I haven't tested yet and ca= n't confirm this. > >>>>>> However the better way that I've found to use Slack on a computer = was through a Emacs package called emacs-slack. It provides an excelent acc= ess to the majority of Slack features without accessibility problems. > >>>>>>=20 > >>>>>> Obviously if you aren't an Emacs user there is no sense on using i= t just for getting access to Slack, but if you are, I strongly recommend ha= ving a look at it. My company uses Slack heavily and this package has saved= my life since I was > >>>>>> having lots of problems to interact with Slack with Firefox. By th= e way, the iPhone app also works relatively well. > >>>>>>=20 > >>>>>> On 11/21/2017 09:24 AM, Micha=B3 Zegan wrote: > >>>>>>=20 > >>>>>> Hello. > >>>>>>=20 > >>>>>> Slack seems to be inaccessible on new firefox, before it was far b= etter. > >>>>>> You need access to any kind of slack channel. > >>>>>> When you join it, your focus goes to the message field, when you s= witch > >>>>>> to browse mode you should be able to navigate around, and previous= ly it > >>>>>> was possible, but not it reacts... weird, and actually doesn't rea= lly work. > >>>>>>=20 > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> orca-list mailing list > >>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org > >>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > >>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > >>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-h= elp/stable/a11y.html > >>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > >>>>>>=20 > >>>>>> [2 ] > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> orca-list mailing list > >>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org > >>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > >>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > >>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-h= elp/stable/a11y.html > >>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >=20 --=20 Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici covici@ccs.covici.com From alan.ghelardi@gmail.com Wed Nov 22 11:45:04 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 812CD7634C for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:45:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jnFOSBXQKr7l for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:45:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qk0-f180.google.com (mail-qk0-f180.google.com [209.85.220.180]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49124761E4 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:45:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qk0-f180.google.com with SMTP id f63so16303747qke.8 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 03:45:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=Z3AGu8hSc6dC9s4ReWHBmUxN0IiWxuOrPFBKgtXPPg8=; b=QGpzzy/PE4jZxPvIOhaQFA3PykGgzG1waz9jsJBfQhR2KUe1gtQ/VoubKoBKIaz01t TIIMx5I3poJGIkdLotthN5l2+BK5ba8nwCpl1+C8cEkb3F6c184AnbfVrjc90NZt3cYy gZAlBukPEwfsEMRQ02C5jNAZY+Ns8U9QBiBZCacNcf3WWPmYxgsAMiCKJS6ZMQAG1W7Z o1Vwc3Y/4OucSFRhdAq1JW6aQJlqdJAUZkWKGNQ0SUo+CzvR3CqmmTJXlKX3U9gSSct3 TheDNbHHWqEUanmrawtRpOmGxOfVmqRPzpzZ4j9B4N1GyaL0gYP2C5Cg8D/5O1lYOhaf Jo4A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=Z3AGu8hSc6dC9s4ReWHBmUxN0IiWxuOrPFBKgtXPPg8=; b=s4TeC9lgfPTLpveogakn1slg/0BGZCmPxkBGn/HJ6aHRPmeecT/VvSOO8Mz0Y/UIfM Xs6hihMBbKpR+qaKPW5yg1zjgr4gebY3wCpi1H1C+n3F9kD6DXTKOrB/wo5GLla8dwSg LWyvL0Y4gINpBeAyr7NxUbWT+COC33DGJDPl9mqAv7+PP8k3W48LEzqu1YFnGHUp4vhz TRNKfYWf4C9fXFI/OX89qiN+YpALlJcU+W5mhdpAb6uVYeKblQGT/F80OAe9yCwLRfVK zgHR/6A03kBaAMT5AVLXEeC3TLvJmV3wF1NfxhD3nbt+5ebSZAockrLkob4NIo7YvGvI d3EA== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX46HVQECIVA+x2v+GHH9ce1e+QQyz7dgvi/DTiiiQqy1lxjBAnI FHALlf2RY6DE0kyxNgV3YoF3IYBL X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMaTXnXwHTdnqBFR3treBxTMYmO7tfdbdAa5iRBskl/QTaPWr6sbrmNOCrwFaPS662olBClkFA== X-Received: by 10.55.66.84 with SMTP id p81mr33592580qka.182.1511351100107; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 03:45:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.19.193.125] ([201.85.54.178]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u123sm10370017qkd.71.2017.11.22.03.44.58 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 22 Nov 2017 03:44:59 -0800 (PST) To: covici@ccs.covici.com Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=c5=82_Zegan?= , orca-list References: <9c94fb41-c90a-b57b-c543-a0a6af341b10@poczta.onet.pl> <3cb1266d-8adc-41fd-f217-26c22ebfc8a5@gmail.com> <9d5475e6-669b-3193-1e09-4e5d7d198b5f@gmail.com> From: Alan Ghelardi Message-ID: <33cb965b-143e-3922-a210-fa81097d24c0@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 09:45:13 -0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] slack probably inaccessible, maybe something happened in firefox 57? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:45:04 -0000 As far as I know no. Uploading files is very straightforward but it seems that there is no how to download then. Generally when someone uploads a file I press return over it and my default browser is open in the page where I can download the file. Perhaps this is a limitation of Slack's Web API and not of the package itself. On 11/22/2017 09:05 AM, John Covici wrote: > Also, any way to download a file using this package -- I see something > to upload the file, but how about downloading? > > On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 06:02:20 -0500, > Alan Ghelardi wrote: >> This package is just a client that interacts with Slack's Web API >> via an https connection. Notice that you should create an app >> associated to your account in order to obtain a client id, a >> secret key and a token to authorize the connection. >> >> >> On 11/21/2017 07:10 PM, John Covici wrote: >>> My team requires an ssl connection, will the package you talked about >>> from github do that? >>> >>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 15:34:40 -0500, >>> Alan Ghelardi wrote: >>>> Not sure if I understood your question. Please, could you elaborate? >>>> >>>> >>>> On 11/21/2017 06:03 PM, John Covici wrote: >>>>> I looked at emacs-slack, but I need to connect via ssl -- with this >>>>> package do that? >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:57:04 -0500, >>>>> Alan Ghelardi wrote: >>>>>> Have a look at: https://github.com/yuya373/emacs-slack. The >>>>>> Github page has everything that you need to get started. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 11/21/2017 01:46 PM, John Covici wrote: >>>>>>> hmmm, I tried installing slack melpa package, but could not find any >>>>>>> documentation or any way how to use it. Is the emacs-slack different >>>>>>> from this one? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 07:18:14 -0500, >>>>>>> Alan Ghelardi wrote: >>>>>>>> [1 ] >>>>>>>> [1.1 ] >>>>>>>> [1.2 ] >>>>>>>> Some friends are complaining about the accessibility of Firefox 57 on Windows systems. maybe there were accessibility regressions that affected some applications on Linux as well, although I haven't tested yet and can't confirm this. >>>>>>>> However the better way that I've found to use Slack on a computer was through a Emacs package called emacs-slack. It provides an excelent access to the majority of Slack features without accessibility problems. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Obviously if you aren't an Emacs user there is no sense on using it just for getting access to Slack, but if you are, I strongly recommend having a look at it. My company uses Slack heavily and this package has saved my life since I was >>>>>>>> having lots of problems to interact with Slack with Firefox. By the way, the iPhone app also works relatively well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 11/21/2017 09:24 AM, Micha Zegan wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Slack seems to be inaccessible on new firefox, before it was far better. >>>>>>>> You need access to any kind of slack channel. >>>>>>>> When you join it, your focus goes to the message field, when you switch >>>>>>>> to browse mode you should be able to navigate around, and previously it >>>>>>>> was possible, but not it reacts... weird, and actually doesn't really work. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [2 ] >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From covici@ccs.covici.com Wed Nov 22 13:17:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50C0C76225 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 13:17:27 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L2odCZFeLbdV for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 13:17:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail0205.smtp25.com (mail0205.smtp25.com [174.37.170.205]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F0515761F1 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 13:17:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ccs.covici.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ccs.covici.com (8.14.9/8.14.8) with ESMTP id vAMDHJdG003845 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 22 Nov 2017 08:17:19 -0500 Received: (from covici@localhost) by ccs.covici.com (8.14.9/8.13.7/Submit) id vAMDHIkX003719; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 08:17:18 -0500 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 08:17:18 -0500 Message-ID: From: John Covici To: Alan Ghelardi Cc: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Micha=B3?= Zegan , orca-list In-Reply-To: <33cb965b-143e-3922-a210-fa81097d24c0@gmail.com> References: <9c94fb41-c90a-b57b-c543-a0a6af341b10@poczta.onet.pl> <3cb1266d-8adc-41fd-f217-26c22ebfc8a5@gmail.com> <9d5475e6-669b-3193-1e09-4e5d7d198b5f@gmail.com> <33cb965b-143e-3922-a210-fa81097d24c0@gmail.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) SEMI-EPG/1.14.7 (Harue) FLIM/1.14.9 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Goj=F2?=) APEL/10.8 EasyPG/1.0.0 Emacs/25.3 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Reply-To: covici@ccs.covici.com Organization: Covici Computer Systems MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SpamH-Filter: s-out-001.smtp25.com-vAMDHJgh026788 X-SpamH-OriginatingIP: 70.109.53.110 Subject: Re: [orca-list] slack probably inaccessible, maybe something happened in firefox 57? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 13:17:27 -0000 OK, so Icloned emacs-slack, so how do I install the thing? All I see is a bunch of .el files and the readme file which says nothing about installing or how to start it. On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 06:45:13 -0500, Alan Ghelardi wrote: >=20 > As far as I know no. Uploading files is very straightforward but > it seems that there is no how to download then. Generally when > someone uploads a file I press return over it and my default > browser is open in the page where I can download the > file. Perhaps this is a limitation of Slack's Web API and not of > the package itself. >=20 >=20 > On 11/22/2017 09:05 AM, John Covici wrote: > > Also, any way to download a file using this package -- I see something > > to upload the file, but how about downloading? > >=20 > > On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 06:02:20 -0500, > > Alan Ghelardi wrote: > >> This package is just a client that interacts with Slack's Web API > >> via an https connection. Notice that you should create an app > >> associated to your account in order to obtain a client id, a > >> secret key and a token to authorize the connection. > >>=20 > >>=20 > >> On 11/21/2017 07:10 PM, John Covici wrote: > >>> My team requires an ssl connection, will the package you talked about > >>> from github do that? > >>>=20 > >>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 15:34:40 -0500, > >>> Alan Ghelardi wrote: > >>>> Not sure if I understood your question. Please, could you elaborate? > >>>>=20 > >>>>=20 > >>>> On 11/21/2017 06:03 PM, John Covici wrote: > >>>>> I looked at emacs-slack, but I need to connect via ssl -- with this > >>>>> package do that? > >>>>>=20 > >>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:57:04 -0500, > >>>>> Alan Ghelardi wrote: > >>>>>> Have a look at: https://github.com/yuya373/emacs-slack. The > >>>>>> Github page has everything that you need to get started. > >>>>>>=20 > >>>>>>=20 > >>>>>> On 11/21/2017 01:46 PM, John Covici wrote: > >>>>>>> hmmm, I tried installing slack melpa package, but could not find = any > >>>>>>> documentation or any way how to use it. Is the emacs-slack diffe= rent > >>>>>>> from this one? > >>>>>>>=20 > >>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 07:18:14 -0500, > >>>>>>> Alan Ghelardi wrote: > >>>>>>>> [1 ] > >>>>>>>> [1.1 ] > >>>>>>>> [1.2 ] > >>>>>>>> Some friends are complaining about the accessibility of Firefox = 57 on Windows systems. maybe there were accessibility regressions that affe= cted some applications on Linux as well, although I haven't tested yet and = can't confirm this. > >>>>>>>> However the better way that I've found to use Slack on a compute= r was through a Emacs package called emacs-slack. It provides an excelent a= ccess to the majority of Slack features without accessibility problems. > >>>>>>>>=20 > >>>>>>>> Obviously if you aren't an Emacs user there is no sense on using= it just for getting access to Slack, but if you are, I strongly recommend = having a look at it. My company uses Slack heavily and this package has sav= ed my life since I was > >>>>>>>> having lots of problems to interact with Slack with Firefox. By = the way, the iPhone app also works relatively well. > >>>>>>>>=20 > >>>>>>>> On 11/21/2017 09:24 AM, Micha=B3 Zegan wrote: > >>>>>>>>=20 > >>>>>>>> Hello. > >>>>>>>>=20 > >>>>>>>> Slack seems to be inaccessible on new firefox, before it was far= better. > >>>>>>>> You need access to any kind of slack channel. > >>>>>>>> When you join it, your focus goes to the message field, when you= switch > >>>>>>>> to browse mode you should be able to navigate around, and previo= usly it > >>>>>>>> was possible, but not it reacts... weird, and actually doesn't r= eally work. > >>>>>>>>=20 > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list > >>>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org > >>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>>>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > >>>>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > >>>>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome= -help/stable/a11y.html > >>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > >>>>>>>>=20 > >>>>>>>> [2 ] > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list > >>>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org > >>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>>>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > >>>>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > >>>>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome= -help/stable/a11y.html > >>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >=20 --=20 Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici covici@ccs.covici.com From westes575@gmail.com Wed Nov 22 13:26:44 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1634776225 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 13:26:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.75 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KBzoJVIKhtCs for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 13:26:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yb0-f170.google.com (mail-yb0-f170.google.com [209.85.213.170]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CCD48761F1 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 13:26:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yb0-f170.google.com with SMTP id k40so5867506ybj.1 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 05:26:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding :in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=mDIh7JFC+27CcJWaOb0wJxOps0f2p4bv16DrZlvzQ04=; b=t94E39vRnz3P8+83qbmD9m4PCQLSvsxV3Gp/LHl0QtcHdsDdpcFhzk6FOOdoMljwZ2 +IPiLCBzc6vboPI1+gZBO5VNZ5274RuP4tiae4ysdHUelapBWeEjpryXX7nRUdDpOlHk e1Hd40f3udTMTgpm0DMLYXA3blG8aiOr8JGFg3s+bavonLDGeBGmYKbwVLYSbhQJI7se 8r/a6f+dkq+GzQXLF47Esi/2bqEM96v7hCe+1zI8am+BItMHQ97obDRw2uiFhTKeG+WK /zDTuQFyHQipKC22fa775u3VbEs8U6GcYWz31pDU9rcGLZn9FgnlZc9Kx3xhwHTftFom Yncw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=mDIh7JFC+27CcJWaOb0wJxOps0f2p4bv16DrZlvzQ04=; b=qraAtZOokDUxdgi+RQZWUdPsCS8TciTQNbfacoG0FDijbCyrKg3sryn88S6+a6UPR/ hlCeOszaBs7aKZ5w3rfJgUOEDyfCvDsBqv0ZdEFCMOIbq18bBfqElziwxmrLcOkeSw9+ IaMFdTijV36A0DD2dWLIiOQuLQa9EV3sxPNNiq3jypTF916iqhPKAo4A43qU6KDMtxvN Nr6FUMQOSd7ep9PTk14Cy0BqPk0o/taoW4uTgiaCID17tILihWNsgRav0VadTqG1pNON sDbemn5DHdFrS8t6LNxg+1sADCNE7ikLFkGvJnkIUSBWRgTofDP37IuHMz5+IpTvx9a7 VrJQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX5h0pf+1j5dYe6FUM5vJIzUEQiMvs+puD7Sg7Vqn5vMrvue/oxR pXi++i32RPw2YXy16h6MruE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMYevNufJIzoVKXJ9z0A4tN5yD55lDaJ60NJzvx90aMNGv+Gu78AOnHMaSMPXRw5poC/B3ORCA== X-Received: by 10.37.45.31 with SMTP id t31mr12778292ybt.303.1511357200685; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 05:26:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from bison (c-24-98-216-249.hsd1.ga.comcast.net. [24.98.216.249]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e1sm6729704ywd.18.2017.11.22.05.26.39 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 22 Nov 2017 05:26:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 08:26:37 -0500 From: Will Estes To: John Covici Cc: Alan Ghelardi , orca-list Message-ID: <20171122132637.GB2583@bison> Mail-Followup-To: John Covici , Alan Ghelardi , orca-list References: <3cb1266d-8adc-41fd-f217-26c22ebfc8a5@gmail.com> <9d5475e6-669b-3193-1e09-4e5d7d198b5f@gmail.com> <33cb965b-143e-3922-a210-fa81097d24c0@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [orca-list] slack probably inaccessible, maybe something happened in firefox 57? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 13:26:44 -0000 https://github.com/yuya373/emacs-slack Has instructions. They're a bit on the short side, but it looks pretty thorough. On Wednesday, 22 November 2017, 8:17 am -0500, John Covici wrote: > OK, so Icloned emacs-slack, so how do I install the thing? All I see > is a bunch of .el files and the readme file which says nothing about > installing or how to start it. > > On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 06:45:13 -0500, > Alan Ghelardi wrote: > > > > As far as I know no. Uploading files is very straightforward but > > it seems that there is no how to download then. Generally when > > someone uploads a file I press return over it and my default > > browser is open in the page where I can download the > > file. Perhaps this is a limitation of Slack's Web API and not of > > the package itself. > > > > > > On 11/22/2017 09:05 AM, John Covici wrote: > > > Also, any way to download a file using this package -- I see something > > > to upload the file, but how about downloading? > > > > > > On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 06:02:20 -0500, > > > Alan Ghelardi wrote: > > >> This package is just a client that interacts with Slack's Web API > > >> via an https connection. Notice that you should create an app > > >> associated to your account in order to obtain a client id, a > > >> secret key and a token to authorize the connection. > > >> > > >> > > >> On 11/21/2017 07:10 PM, John Covici wrote: > > >>> My team requires an ssl connection, will the package you talked about > > >>> from github do that? > > >>> > > >>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 15:34:40 -0500, > > >>> Alan Ghelardi wrote: > > >>>> Not sure if I understood your question. Please, could you elaborate? > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> On 11/21/2017 06:03 PM, John Covici wrote: > > >>>>> I looked at emacs-slack, but I need to connect via ssl -- with this > > >>>>> package do that? > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:57:04 -0500, > > >>>>> Alan Ghelardi wrote: > > >>>>>> Have a look at: https://github.com/yuya373/emacs-slack. The > > >>>>>> Github page has everything that you need to get started. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> On 11/21/2017 01:46 PM, John Covici wrote: > > >>>>>>> hmmm, I tried installing slack melpa package, but could not find any > > >>>>>>> documentation or any way how to use it. Is the emacs-slack different > > >>>>>>> from this one? > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 07:18:14 -0500, > > >>>>>>> Alan Ghelardi wrote: > > >>>>>>>> [1 ] > > >>>>>>>> [1.1 ] > > >>>>>>>> [1.2 ] > > >>>>>>>> Some friends are complaining about the accessibility of Firefox 57 on Windows systems. maybe there were accessibility regressions that affected some applications on Linux as well, although I haven't tested yet and can't confirm this. > > >>>>>>>> However the better way that I've found to use Slack on a computer was through a Emacs package called emacs-slack. It provides an excelent access to the majority of Slack features without accessibility problems. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Obviously if you aren't an Emacs user there is no sense on using it just for getting access to Slack, but if you are, I strongly recommend having a look at it. My company uses Slack heavily and this package has saved my life since I was > > >>>>>>>> having lots of problems to interact with Slack with Firefox. By the way, the iPhone app also works relatively well. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> On 11/21/2017 09:24 AM, Michał Zegan wrote: > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Hello. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Slack seems to be inaccessible on new firefox, before it was far better. > > >>>>>>>> You need access to any kind of slack channel. > > >>>>>>>> When you join it, your focus goes to the message field, when you switch > > >>>>>>>> to browse mode you should be able to navigate around, and previously it > > >>>>>>>> was possible, but not it reacts... weird, and actually doesn't really work. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list > > >>>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org > > >>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > >>>>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > >>>>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > >>>>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > >>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> [2 ] > > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list > > >>>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org > > >>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > >>>>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > >>>>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > >>>>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > >>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > > > -- > Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: > How do > you spend it? > > John Covici > covici@ccs.covici.com > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org -- Will Estes westes575@gmail.com From alexarnaud@hypra.fr Wed Nov 22 15:07:05 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECC6D76225 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 15:07:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.012 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.012 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4zVgiEggXejz for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 15:07:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra.fr (hypra.fr [62.210.38.35]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C7FA1761ED for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 15:07:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.10.190.4] (unknown [89.227.222.139]) by hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BE256580F5E for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 16:06:59 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hypra.fr; s=mail; t=1511363219; bh=Y+k3V/u8yRmoLImKrbCcYg2gypnXUqOS/EGqYP2bujg=; h=To:From:Subject:Date:From; b=XDO5tODnSDQd/ZHENaZ6zGOb/sj8NmLx0TQYJ6PXMYP+0VQoQdzk5wwo0mJxStIhE VXsmgeRs7puswD5gHKsPLmrWlXo9PiWJ8IspMF+ZIHfPuT0KPjvYPsmMBTork17tLZ zZIeGPOLcPjfSby7+n9ariPM0BgKH/XlMuSF7Vbs= To: Orca List From: Alex ARNAUD Organization: Hypra Message-ID: <9fc55190-1681-46d1-3b57-13983757b3d3@hypra.fr> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 16:07:40 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] End of Life of Skype for Linux 4.3 : help me to make Skype 8 accessible X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 15:07:05 -0000 Dear all, On the Microsoft forum Skype team has announced that Skype 4.3 is not longer accessible since today : https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/skype/forum/skype_linux-skype_startms-skype_installms/end-of-life-of-skype-for-linux-43/70fe7036-ddf3-4fa3-9c06-1bca3ec0226c I've answer to the first post to explain the accessibility issue but I need the help of more people to be sure we could find a solution. Could you answer to the thread to report to the Skype team chat we need an API to use Pidgin for example and we need to have a Skype accessible on Linux ? Best regards. -- Alex ARNAUD Visual-Impairment Project Manager Hypra - "Humanizing technology" From covici@ccs.covici.com Wed Nov 22 15:29:35 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA2A0764C7 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 15:29:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7YVxwWAQVM25 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 15:29:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail0205.smtp25.com (mail0205.smtp25.com [174.37.170.205]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C0513764BD for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 15:29:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ccs.covici.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ccs.covici.com (8.14.9/8.14.8) with ESMTP id vAMFTRHJ032067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:29:27 -0500 Received: (from covici@localhost) by ccs.covici.com (8.14.9/8.13.7/Submit) id vAMFTQRL031972; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:29:26 -0500 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:29:26 -0500 Message-ID: From: John Covici To: John Covici , Alan Ghelardi , orca-list In-Reply-To: <20171122132637.GB2583@bison> References: <3cb1266d-8adc-41fd-f217-26c22ebfc8a5@gmail.com> <9d5475e6-669b-3193-1e09-4e5d7d198b5f@gmail.com> <33cb965b-143e-3922-a210-fa81097d24c0@gmail.com> <20171122132637.GB2583@bison> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) SEMI-EPG/1.14.7 (Harue) FLIM/1.14.9 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Goj=F2?=) APEL/10.8 EasyPG/1.0.0 Emacs/25.3 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Reply-To: covici@ccs.covici.com Organization: Covici Computer Systems MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SpamH-Filter: s-out-001.smtp25.com-vAMFTR7m021215 X-SpamH-OriginatingIP: 70.109.53.110 Subject: Re: [orca-list] slack probably inaccessible, maybe something happened in firefox 57? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 15:29:35 -0000 I see no instructions there, except the readme which tells how to get a token, but not how to install or start the package -- otherwise its just a bunch of .el files. On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 08:26:37 -0500, Will Estes wrote: >=20 > https://github.com/yuya373/emacs-slack >=20 > Has instructions. They're a bit on the short side, but it looks pretty th= orough. >=20 > On Wednesday, 22 November 2017, 8:17 am -0500, John Covici wrote: >=20 > > OK, so Icloned emacs-slack, so how do I install the thing? All I see > > is a bunch of .el files and the readme file which says nothing about > > installing or how to start it. > >=20 > > On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 06:45:13 -0500, > > Alan Ghelardi wrote: > > >=20 > > > As far as I know no. Uploading files is very straightforward but > > > it seems that there is no how to download then. Generally when > > > someone uploads a file I press return over it and my default > > > browser is open in the page where I can download the > > > file. Perhaps this is a limitation of Slack's Web API and not of > > > the package itself. > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > On 11/22/2017 09:05 AM, John Covici wrote: > > > > Also, any way to download a file using this package -- I see someth= ing > > > > to upload the file, but how about downloading? > > > >=20 > > > > On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 06:02:20 -0500, > > > > Alan Ghelardi wrote: > > > >> This package is just a client that interacts with Slack's Web API > > > >> via an https connection. Notice that you should create an app > > > >> associated to your account in order to obtain a client id, a > > > >> secret key and a token to authorize the connection. > > > >>=20 > > > >>=20 > > > >> On 11/21/2017 07:10 PM, John Covici wrote: > > > >>> My team requires an ssl connection, will the package you talked a= bout > > > >>> from github do that? > > > >>>=20 > > > >>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 15:34:40 -0500, > > > >>> Alan Ghelardi wrote: > > > >>>> Not sure if I understood your question. Please, could you elabor= ate? > > > >>>>=20 > > > >>>>=20 > > > >>>> On 11/21/2017 06:03 PM, John Covici wrote: > > > >>>>> I looked at emacs-slack, but I need to connect via ssl -- with = this > > > >>>>> package do that? > > > >>>>>=20 > > > >>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:57:04 -0500, > > > >>>>> Alan Ghelardi wrote: > > > >>>>>> Have a look at: https://github.com/yuya373/emacs-slack. The > > > >>>>>> Github page has everything that you need to get started. > > > >>>>>>=20 > > > >>>>>>=20 > > > >>>>>> On 11/21/2017 01:46 PM, John Covici wrote: > > > >>>>>>> hmmm, I tried installing slack melpa package, but could not f= ind any > > > >>>>>>> documentation or any way how to use it. Is the emacs-slack d= ifferent > > > >>>>>>> from this one? > > > >>>>>>>=20 > > > >>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 07:18:14 -0500, > > > >>>>>>> Alan Ghelardi wrote: > > > >>>>>>>> [1 ] > > > >>>>>>>> [1.1 ] > > > >>>>>>>> [1.2 ] > > > >>>>>>>> Some friends are complaining about the accessibility of Fire= fox 57 on Windows systems. maybe there were accessibility regressions that = affected some applications on Linux as well, although I haven't tested yet = and can't confirm this. > > > >>>>>>>> However the better way that I've found to use Slack on a com= puter was through a Emacs package called emacs-slack. It provides an excele= nt access to the majority of Slack features without accessibility problems. > > > >>>>>>>>=20 > > > >>>>>>>> Obviously if you aren't an Emacs user there is no sense on u= sing it just for getting access to Slack, but if you are, I strongly recomm= end having a look at it. My company uses Slack heavily and this package has= saved my life since I was > > > >>>>>>>> having lots of problems to interact with Slack with Firefox.= By the way, the iPhone app also works relatively well. > > > >>>>>>>>=20 > > > >>>>>>>> On 11/21/2017 09:24 AM, Micha=B3 Zegan wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>=20 > > > >>>>>>>> Hello. > > > >>>>>>>>=20 > > > >>>>>>>> Slack seems to be inaccessible on new firefox, before it was= far better. > > > >>>>>>>> You need access to any kind of slack channel. > > > >>>>>>>> When you join it, your focus goes to the message field, when= you switch > > > >>>>>>>> to browse mode you should be able to navigate around, and pr= eviously it > > > >>>>>>>> was possible, but not it reacts... weird, and actually doesn= 't really work. > > > >>>>>>>>=20 > > > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list > > > >>>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org > > > >>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > >>>>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > > >>>>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > > >>>>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/g= nome-help/stable/a11y.html > > > >>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > > >>>>>>>>=20 > > > >>>>>>>> [2 ] > > > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list > > > >>>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org > > > >>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > >>>>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > > >>>>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > > >>>>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/g= nome-help/stable/a11y.html > > > >>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > >=20 > >=20 > > --=20 > > Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: > > How do > > you spend it? > >=20 > > John Covici > > covici@ccs.covici.com > > _______________________________________________ > > orca-list mailing list > > orca-list@gnome.org > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/s= table/a11y.html > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >=20 > --=20 > Will Estes > westes575@gmail.com --=20 Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici covici@ccs.covici.com From alan.ghelardi@gmail.com Wed Nov 22 16:09:24 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1794C764C3 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 16:09:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BPSRLYhFebb8 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 16:09:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qk0-f173.google.com (mail-qk0-f173.google.com [209.85.220.173]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AEC6C764C5 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 16:09:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qk0-f173.google.com with SMTP id 136so17394272qkd.4 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 08:09:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=M/SRple5hbjDrg6XxDw05XrfzJsUvDWe9K/dQK/CdgA=; b=dfTckRYcka8YXEr5CmlR2IZCQle/WHSdB06zwtybHiSF0bKL8etVEunnDseiP6PTz4 yz+mBh6lvlCSiDPmvm0PLd//XSQsOQeXVEn8KoUPvgW+awnusg+T68WtCFUKvig3aeyr rK6ebHaZTCgDmaO5k7Thmxt+C+S8Me9cBj6pFPOBihPlGT3H4zYpsJkuuEWSHpqZNodF NzZl3Nj0COYIGVQAemt1NQiJbr4XrziBhnAGFKXigJ65yaxQrUbwAX47luKpPL6vzVaE 5iGuuYlGmO3IeFWQh/lR4ZGHRRIC2EcufwUNTJEP3tWH7xSgDOFY+fUao1paDFdE7eSI Q85A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=M/SRple5hbjDrg6XxDw05XrfzJsUvDWe9K/dQK/CdgA=; b=iCysd+w9/otVdcbmQw94Vpd/lYXIUiS6ELb4KpEpn22jCZhG4yLkXFyzT1CaFRIL6s LIddaCbjpuUxfG+zUDGSLxy/rXzYAeNZjEESbY2hf3TD33uIz7tu25BtS0OuDovBsQFG 8Hxwxd8zg/lcL/tcFlgqJLfKQzCaaqQxQSK99MUN2ughRkDO6A3HQ+++eSz9tHZbLTw9 lZyiPQN+VaRYoa+dxG5ke0AZ1gyDaG0fRg+7nnxQlzAlvsp1LLd7ymY4OfMfXiC2TMMC uj3NGMc+hDFwlGukZLWGjdlcXguZwHXD8+U/gxIKcaM3MTUTRe9+m7In1IrAGX4UYhyG 9dGw== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX6Q2cJvv2I1kYDf5UcQJWIjejy7m3WJ4qlXua74rYdPXHUxmLz9 i6ni677R7UWk17os2cCb02B7vPIX X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMYy9WRwsQGpPeTfLh7AOGe/MO3cahtbTLAs/FnU18tXyltQi0t+Q/qnW1nMnih+vw1mMNdOKQ== X-Received: by 10.55.134.195 with SMTP id i186mr26601397qkd.261.1511366960197; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 08:09:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.19.193.125] ([186.215.172.10]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c72sm11020755qka.31.2017.11.22.08.09.18 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 22 Nov 2017 08:09:19 -0800 (PST) To: covici@ccs.covici.com Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=c5=82_Zegan?= , orca-list References: <9c94fb41-c90a-b57b-c543-a0a6af341b10@poczta.onet.pl> <3cb1266d-8adc-41fd-f217-26c22ebfc8a5@gmail.com> <9d5475e6-669b-3193-1e09-4e5d7d198b5f@gmail.com> <33cb965b-143e-3922-a210-fa81097d24c0@gmail.com> From: Alan Ghelardi Message-ID: <614815f6-2090-952d-3e36-cae60e9b3dbe@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 14:09:33 -0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] slack probably inaccessible, maybe something happened in firefox 57? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 16:09:24 -0000 I'm sorry, maybe I wasn't clear previously. Actually, you can install emacs-slack through the Emacs package manager (although you can also clone the repository to a folder that you've placed in the Emacs load path). I've pointed out to the Github page just for documentation purposes. In addition, if you are a more advanced Emacs user, you can utilize use-package package to install emacs-slack (and other packages) automatically at Emacs startup. You can have a look at my Emacs settings if you preffer in order to have an idea about that: https://github.com/alan-ghelardi/.emacs.d. On 11/22/2017 11:17 AM, John Covici wrote: > OK, so Icloned emacs-slack, so how do I install the thing? All I see > is a bunch of .el files and the readme file which says nothing about > installing or how to start it. > > On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 06:45:13 -0500, > Alan Ghelardi wrote: >> As far as I know no. Uploading files is very straightforward but >> it seems that there is no how to download then. Generally when >> someone uploads a file I press return over it and my default >> browser is open in the page where I can download the >> file. Perhaps this is a limitation of Slack's Web API and not of >> the package itself. >> >> >> On 11/22/2017 09:05 AM, John Covici wrote: >>> Also, any way to download a file using this package -- I see something >>> to upload the file, but how about downloading? >>> >>> On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 06:02:20 -0500, >>> Alan Ghelardi wrote: >>>> This package is just a client that interacts with Slack's Web API >>>> via an https connection. Notice that you should create an app >>>> associated to your account in order to obtain a client id, a >>>> secret key and a token to authorize the connection. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 11/21/2017 07:10 PM, John Covici wrote: >>>>> My team requires an ssl connection, will the package you talked about >>>>> from github do that? >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 15:34:40 -0500, >>>>> Alan Ghelardi wrote: >>>>>> Not sure if I understood your question. Please, could you elaborate? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 11/21/2017 06:03 PM, John Covici wrote: >>>>>>> I looked at emacs-slack, but I need to connect via ssl -- with this >>>>>>> package do that? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:57:04 -0500, >>>>>>> Alan Ghelardi wrote: >>>>>>>> Have a look at: https://github.com/yuya373/emacs-slack. The >>>>>>>> Github page has everything that you need to get started. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 11/21/2017 01:46 PM, John Covici wrote: >>>>>>>>> hmmm, I tried installing slack melpa package, but could not find any >>>>>>>>> documentation or any way how to use it. Is the emacs-slack different >>>>>>>>> from this one? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 07:18:14 -0500, >>>>>>>>> Alan Ghelardi wrote: >>>>>>>>>> [1 ] >>>>>>>>>> [1.1 ] >>>>>>>>>> [1.2 ] >>>>>>>>>> Some friends are complaining about the accessibility of Firefox 57 on Windows systems. maybe there were accessibility regressions that affected some applications on Linux as well, although I haven't tested yet and can't confirm this. >>>>>>>>>> However the better way that I've found to use Slack on a computer was through a Emacs package called emacs-slack. It provides an excelent access to the majority of Slack features without accessibility problems. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Obviously if you aren't an Emacs user there is no sense on using it just for getting access to Slack, but if you are, I strongly recommend having a look at it. My company uses Slack heavily and this package has saved my life since I was >>>>>>>>>> having lots of problems to interact with Slack with Firefox. By the way, the iPhone app also works relatively well. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 11/21/2017 09:24 AM, Micha Zegan wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hello. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Slack seems to be inaccessible on new firefox, before it was far better. >>>>>>>>>> You need access to any kind of slack channel. >>>>>>>>>> When you join it, your focus goes to the message field, when you switch >>>>>>>>>> to browse mode you should be able to navigate around, and previously it >>>>>>>>>> was possible, but not it reacts... weird, and actually doesn't really work. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>>>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>>>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>>>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> [2 ] >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>>>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>>>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>>>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From covici@ccs.covici.com Wed Nov 22 16:28:24 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24F5E764C5 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 16:28:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sGVDqvbtCkxC for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 16:28:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail0205.smtp25.com (mail0205.smtp25.com [174.37.170.205]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7B7E9764C3 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 16:28:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ccs.covici.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ccs.covici.com (8.14.9/8.14.8) with ESMTP id vAMGSBWe015281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:28:11 -0500 Received: (from covici@localhost) by ccs.covici.com (8.14.9/8.13.7/Submit) id vAMGSAIY015279; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:28:10 -0500 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:28:10 -0500 Message-ID: From: John Covici To: Alan Ghelardi Cc: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Micha=B3?= Zegan , orca-list In-Reply-To: <614815f6-2090-952d-3e36-cae60e9b3dbe@gmail.com> References: <9c94fb41-c90a-b57b-c543-a0a6af341b10@poczta.onet.pl> <3cb1266d-8adc-41fd-f217-26c22ebfc8a5@gmail.com> <9d5475e6-669b-3193-1e09-4e5d7d198b5f@gmail.com> <33cb965b-143e-3922-a210-fa81097d24c0@gmail.com> <614815f6-2090-952d-3e36-cae60e9b3dbe@gmail.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) SEMI-EPG/1.14.7 (Harue) FLIM/1.14.9 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Goj=F2?=) APEL/10.8 EasyPG/1.0.0 Emacs/25.3 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Reply-To: covici@ccs.covici.com Organization: Covici Computer Systems MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SpamH-Filter: s-out-001.smtp25.com-vAMGSBp4005874 X-SpamH-OriginatingIP: 70.109.53.110 Subject: Re: [orca-list] slack probably inaccessible, maybe something happened in firefox 57? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 16:28:24 -0000 Thanks a lot -- unfortunately my packages list does not have emacs-slack, it just has slack which is a different package. I could copy the .el files to my site-lisp directory, I suppose. On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:09:33 -0500, Alan Ghelardi wrote: >=20 > I'm sorry, maybe I wasn't clear previously. Actually, you can > install emacs-slack through the Emacs package manager (although > you can also clone the repository to a folder that you've placed > in the Emacs load path). I've pointed out to the Github page just > for documentation purposes. >=20 > In addition, if you are a more advanced Emacs user, you can > utilize use-package package to install emacs-slack (and other > packages) automatically at Emacs startup. You can have a look at > my Emacs settings if you preffer in order to have an idea about > that: https://github.com/alan-ghelardi/.emacs.d. >=20 > On 11/22/2017 11:17 AM, John Covici wrote: > > OK, so Icloned emacs-slack, so how do I install the thing? All I see > > is a bunch of .el files and the readme file which says nothing about > > installing or how to start it. > >=20 > > On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 06:45:13 -0500, > > Alan Ghelardi wrote: > >> As far as I know no. Uploading files is very straightforward but > >> it seems that there is no how to download then. Generally when > >> someone uploads a file I press return over it and my default > >> browser is open in the page where I can download the > >> file. Perhaps this is a limitation of Slack's Web API and not of > >> the package itself. > >>=20 > >>=20 > >> On 11/22/2017 09:05 AM, John Covici wrote: > >>> Also, any way to download a file using this package -- I see something > >>> to upload the file, but how about downloading? > >>>=20 > >>> On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 06:02:20 -0500, > >>> Alan Ghelardi wrote: > >>>> This package is just a client that interacts with Slack's Web API > >>>> via an https connection. Notice that you should create an app > >>>> associated to your account in order to obtain a client id, a > >>>> secret key and a token to authorize the connection. > >>>>=20 > >>>>=20 > >>>> On 11/21/2017 07:10 PM, John Covici wrote: > >>>>> My team requires an ssl connection, will the package you talked abo= ut > >>>>> from github do that? > >>>>>=20 > >>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 15:34:40 -0500, > >>>>> Alan Ghelardi wrote: > >>>>>> Not sure if I understood your question. Please, could you elaborat= e? > >>>>>>=20 > >>>>>>=20 > >>>>>> On 11/21/2017 06:03 PM, John Covici wrote: > >>>>>>> I looked at emacs-slack, but I need to connect via ssl -- with th= is > >>>>>>> package do that? > >>>>>>>=20 > >>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:57:04 -0500, > >>>>>>> Alan Ghelardi wrote: > >>>>>>>> Have a look at: https://github.com/yuya373/emacs-slack. The > >>>>>>>> Github page has everything that you need to get started. > >>>>>>>>=20 > >>>>>>>>=20 > >>>>>>>> On 11/21/2017 01:46 PM, John Covici wrote: > >>>>>>>>> hmmm, I tried installing slack melpa package, but could not fin= d any > >>>>>>>>> documentation or any way how to use it. Is the emacs-slack dif= ferent > >>>>>>>>> from this one? > >>>>>>>>>=20 > >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 07:18:14 -0500, > >>>>>>>>> Alan Ghelardi wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> [1 ] > >>>>>>>>>> [1.1 ] > >>>>>>>>>> [1.2 ] > >>>>>>>>>> Some friends are complaining about the accessibility of Firefo= x 57 on Windows systems. maybe there were accessibility regressions that af= fected some applications on Linux as well, although I haven't tested yet an= d can't confirm this. > >>>>>>>>>> However the better way that I've found to use Slack on a compu= ter was through a Emacs package called emacs-slack. It provides an excelent= access to the majority of Slack features without accessibility problems. > >>>>>>>>>>=20 > >>>>>>>>>> Obviously if you aren't an Emacs user there is no sense on usi= ng it just for getting access to Slack, but if you are, I strongly recommen= d having a look at it. My company uses Slack heavily and this package has s= aved my life since I was > >>>>>>>>>> having lots of problems to interact with Slack with Firefox. B= y the way, the iPhone app also works relatively well. > >>>>>>>>>>=20 > >>>>>>>>>> On 11/21/2017 09:24 AM, Micha=B3 Zegan wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>=20 > >>>>>>>>>> Hello. > >>>>>>>>>>=20 > >>>>>>>>>> Slack seems to be inaccessible on new firefox, before it was f= ar better. > >>>>>>>>>> You need access to any kind of slack channel. > >>>>>>>>>> When you join it, your focus goes to the message field, when y= ou switch > >>>>>>>>>> to browse mode you should be able to navigate around, and prev= iously it > >>>>>>>>>> was possible, but not it reacts... weird, and actually doesn't= really work. > >>>>>>>>>>=20 > >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list > >>>>>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org > >>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>>>>>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > >>>>>>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > >>>>>>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gno= me-help/stable/a11y.html > >>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > >>>>>>>>>>=20 > >>>>>>>>>> [2 ] > >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list > >>>>>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org > >>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>>>>>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > >>>>>>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > >>>>>>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gno= me-help/stable/a11y.html > >>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >=20 --=20 Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? 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[24.98.216.249]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l8sm6975986ywi.80.2017.11.22.08.32.58 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 22 Nov 2017 08:32:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:32:57 -0500 From: Will Estes To: John Covici Cc: Alan Ghelardi , orca-list Message-ID: <20171122163257.GC2583@bison> Mail-Followup-To: John Covici , Alan Ghelardi , orca-list References: <3cb1266d-8adc-41fd-f217-26c22ebfc8a5@gmail.com> <9d5475e6-669b-3193-1e09-4e5d7d198b5f@gmail.com> <33cb965b-143e-3922-a210-fa81097d24c0@gmail.com> <614815f6-2090-952d-3e36-cae60e9b3dbe@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [orca-list] slack probably inaccessible, maybe something happened in firefox 57? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 16:33:03 -0000 No, you want to either create a directory and put emacs-slack in it (I use ~/share/emacs/ for that kind of thing) and add that to your load-path or you want to use the use-package stuff as sketched in the github page. use-package is some seriously wonderous magic, and therefore worth your time to investigage if you're not already using it. On Wednesday, 22 November 2017, 11:28 am -0500, John Covici wrote: > Thanks a lot -- unfortunately my packages list does not have > emacs-slack, it just has slack which is a different package. I could > copy the .el files to my site-lisp directory, I suppose. > > On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:09:33 -0500, > Alan Ghelardi wrote: > > > > I'm sorry, maybe I wasn't clear previously. Actually, you can > > install emacs-slack through the Emacs package manager (although > > you can also clone the repository to a folder that you've placed > > in the Emacs load path). I've pointed out to the Github page just > > for documentation purposes. > > > > In addition, if you are a more advanced Emacs user, you can > > utilize use-package package to install emacs-slack (and other > > packages) automatically at Emacs startup. You can have a look at > > my Emacs settings if you preffer in order to have an idea about > > that: https://github.com/alan-ghelardi/.emacs.d. > > > > On 11/22/2017 11:17 AM, John Covici wrote: > > > OK, so Icloned emacs-slack, so how do I install the thing? All I see > > > is a bunch of .el files and the readme file which says nothing about > > > installing or how to start it. > > > > > > On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 06:45:13 -0500, > > > Alan Ghelardi wrote: > > >> As far as I know no. Uploading files is very straightforward but > > >> it seems that there is no how to download then. Generally when > > >> someone uploads a file I press return over it and my default > > >> browser is open in the page where I can download the > > >> file. Perhaps this is a limitation of Slack's Web API and not of > > >> the package itself. > > >> > > >> > > >> On 11/22/2017 09:05 AM, John Covici wrote: > > >>> Also, any way to download a file using this package -- I see something > > >>> to upload the file, but how about downloading? > > >>> > > >>> On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 06:02:20 -0500, > > >>> Alan Ghelardi wrote: > > >>>> This package is just a client that interacts with Slack's Web API > > >>>> via an https connection. Notice that you should create an app > > >>>> associated to your account in order to obtain a client id, a > > >>>> secret key and a token to authorize the connection. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> On 11/21/2017 07:10 PM, John Covici wrote: > > >>>>> My team requires an ssl connection, will the package you talked about > > >>>>> from github do that? > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 15:34:40 -0500, > > >>>>> Alan Ghelardi wrote: > > >>>>>> Not sure if I understood your question. Please, could you elaborate? > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> On 11/21/2017 06:03 PM, John Covici wrote: > > >>>>>>> I looked at emacs-slack, but I need to connect via ssl -- with this > > >>>>>>> package do that? > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:57:04 -0500, > > >>>>>>> Alan Ghelardi wrote: > > >>>>>>>> Have a look at: https://github.com/yuya373/emacs-slack. The > > >>>>>>>> Github page has everything that you need to get started. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> On 11/21/2017 01:46 PM, John Covici wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> hmmm, I tried installing slack melpa package, but could not find any > > >>>>>>>>> documentation or any way how to use it. Is the emacs-slack different > > >>>>>>>>> from this one? > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 07:18:14 -0500, > > >>>>>>>>> Alan Ghelardi wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> [1 ] > > >>>>>>>>>> [1.1 ] > > >>>>>>>>>> [1.2 ] > > >>>>>>>>>> Some friends are complaining about the accessibility of Firefox 57 on Windows systems. maybe there were accessibility regressions that affected some applications on Linux as well, although I haven't tested yet and can't confirm this. > > >>>>>>>>>> However the better way that I've found to use Slack on a computer was through a Emacs package called emacs-slack. It provides an excelent access to the majority of Slack features without accessibility problems. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Obviously if you aren't an Emacs user there is no sense on using it just for getting access to Slack, but if you are, I strongly recommend having a look at it. My company uses Slack heavily and this package has saved my life since I was > > >>>>>>>>>> having lots of problems to interact with Slack with Firefox. By the way, the iPhone app also works relatively well. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> On 11/21/2017 09:24 AM, Michał Zegan wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Hello. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Slack seems to be inaccessible on new firefox, before it was far better. > > >>>>>>>>>> You need access to any kind of slack channel. > > >>>>>>>>>> When you join it, your focus goes to the message field, when you switch > > >>>>>>>>>> to browse mode you should be able to navigate around, and previously it > > >>>>>>>>>> was possible, but not it reacts... weird, and actually doesn't really work. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list > > >>>>>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org > > >>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > >>>>>>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > >>>>>>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > >>>>>>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > >>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> [2 ] > > >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list > > >>>>>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org > > >>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > >>>>>>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > >>>>>>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > >>>>>>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > >>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > > > -- > Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: > How do > you spend it? > > John Covici > covici@ccs.covici.com > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org -- Will Estes westes575@gmail.com From webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl Wed Nov 22 17:33:16 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D34C8764C7 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 17:33:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.011 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.011 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Znroo4XDIqAh for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 17:33:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpo109.poczta.onet.pl (smtpo109.poczta.onet.pl [213.180.149.162]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C29C764C3 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 17:33:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.106] (unknown [193.200.46.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl) by smtp.poczta.onet.pl (Onet) with ESMTPSA id 3yhqKv4XVsz1BMWpF; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 18:33:06 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=poczta.onet.pl; s=2011; t=1511371988; bh=0zzOW0RbqZZ2i3Tlpa+uFDSiieB6QsY5fo/TIhEJwlU=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=WQfjgVadpth4t6JTmPoHy/ytGoJgK2bwp9tvoDku+LTpHPu6CETfRT/qyGi4Hg1TJ v4AwA414o8ketZoYjgMoDhKk5PRHNiE/r9vJDS5fdeMQdkUbaeFSWKVHhKZilDgYcH cn3uCLdE6s9lYa/GRsXBET6GrIsG0YsekRZ6N+40= To: Alex ARNAUD , Orca List References: <9fc55190-1681-46d1-3b57-13983757b3d3@hypra.fr> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=c5=82_Zegan?= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 18:33:06 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9fc55190-1681-46d1-3b57-13983757b3d3@hypra.fr> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="m4vcWnIE6xFMaaRqUhvBr0uOOVHLI2AiO" Subject: Re: [orca-list] End of Life of Skype for Linux 4.3 : help me to make Skype 8 accessible X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 17:33:17 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --m4vcWnIE6xFMaaRqUhvBr0uOOVHLI2AiO Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="fKU79Lhq8CQ7fEVk4CNnsp3LSw1NSj0Pr"; protected-headers="v1" From: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=c5=82_Zegan?= To: Alex ARNAUD , Orca List Message-ID: Subject: Re: [orca-list] End of Life of Skype for Linux 4.3 : help me to make Skype 8 accessible References: <9fc55190-1681-46d1-3b57-13983757b3d3@hypra.fr> In-Reply-To: <9fc55190-1681-46d1-3b57-13983757b3d3@hypra.fr> --fKU79Lhq8CQ7fEVk4CNnsp3LSw1NSj0Pr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable maybe chromevox could be integrated there? it is chromium engine after all, and it is possible skype by itself is accessible and the only thing that prevents it from working is not their fault. W dniu 22.11.2017 o=C2=A016:07, Alex ARNAUD pisze: > Dear all, >=20 > On the Microsoft forum Skype team has announced that Skype 4.3 is not > longer accessible since today : > https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/skype/forum/skype_linux-skype_start= ms-skype_installms/end-of-life-of-skype-for-linux-43/70fe7036-ddf3-4fa3-9= c06-1bca3ec0226c >=20 >=20 > I've answer to the first post to explain the accessibility issue but I > need the help of more people to be sure we could find a solution. >=20 > Could you answer to the thread to report to the Skype team chat we need= > an API to use Pidgin for example and we need to have a Skype accessible= > on Linux ? >=20 > Best regards. --fKU79Lhq8CQ7fEVk4CNnsp3LSw1NSj0Pr-- --m4vcWnIE6xFMaaRqUhvBr0uOOVHLI2AiO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQFPBAEBCAA5FiEE8PeJXyv9t1Bfiq63mRxoPZnIFPkFAloVtNIbHHdlYmN6YXRf MjAwQHBvY3p0YS5vbmV0LnBsAAoJEJkcaD2ZyBT5YHYH/A+a+xpLzp9nQxi+5uqR vraTGQxAtni39OJxXlc+uFvy+VFJhGeHu2slAXD0cjXM+cMTi/rJZ2mAwSu58MkX /wFRvSp0pfAdFOASUM0olGa1OSqjNQAYnlcsdlYblJz6j/AtN2MUy6EX0/qpc3h0 9CRpckJfhzfw6KcuvRSQDwWMSE7bOMDPpTlOasWp0XUbDPsMTERK1XKi/wAU2gJO 8ptoc3aNtMs9DziVp6jF2WxTptB66cz4BPiDcK0ytC+JA2MxCGnj2nPScGGI4IZg MdvXspcn8aGomJCwYkOyjeMjz1P3Ba/2ioxaLnusHId5LFQfbG18djWAQeD5tM3q HCk= =7KQx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --m4vcWnIE6xFMaaRqUhvBr0uOOVHLI2AiO-- From javi@raisingthefloor.org Wed Nov 22 18:34:31 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9376764CF for ; 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Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:34:27 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.107.176.138 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:34:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <9fc55190-1681-46d1-3b57-13983757b3d3@hypra.fr> From: Javier Hernandez Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 19:34:26 +0100 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Zegan?= Cc: Alex ARNAUD , Orca List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c0551c6c7394e055e9691e3" Subject: Re: [orca-list] End of Life of Skype for Linux 4.3 : help me to make Skype 8 accessible X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 18:34:31 -0000 --94eb2c0551c6c7394e055e9691e3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Michal, as far as I know, the new skype for linux is an electron app. From an end-user point of view, it's just an application where web.skype.com is embedded and that includes the required plumbing around having the audio/video/notifications working at the OS level. So yes, there is a chromium engine involved, but not in a way we can add the chromevox extension. As far as I can tell, the accessibility issues are the same we're facing with chromium/chrome web browsers. Others, including Alex, can explain better than me what is the current status of it. wrt Skype's API, probably they just decided to stop providing such API since they have moved skype into the "cloud" (web.skype.com), and it's true that you can use skype from any web browser of your choice. My experience so far with web skype is terrible, we use Skype at work and sometimes I'm not able to even log in, which is very disappointing. Of course I always have a backup solution, which involves using Skype on a Win/Mac OS, which is pretty unacceptable in my opinion. That said, I'd like to think that the Skype Team is already aware of the problems and that they will be addressing them as soon as possible. Best regards, Javi On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 6:33 PM, Micha=C5=82 Zegan wrote: > maybe chromevox could be integrated there? it is chromium engine after > all, and it is possible skype by itself is accessible and the only thing > that prevents it from working is not their fault. > > W dniu 22.11.2017 o 16:07, Alex ARNAUD pisze: > > Dear all, > > > > On the Microsoft forum Skype team has announced that Skype 4.3 is not > > longer accessible since today : > > https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/skype/forum/skype_linux- > skype_startms-skype_installms/end-of-life-of-skype-for- > linux-43/70fe7036-ddf3-4fa3-9c06-1bca3ec0226c > > > > > > I've answer to the first post to explain the accessibility issue but I > > need the help of more people to be sure we could find a solution. > > > > Could you answer to the thread to report to the Skype team chat we need > > an API to use Pidgin for example and we need to have a Skype accessible > > on Linux ? > > > > Best regards. > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/ > gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > --94eb2c0551c6c7394e055e9691e3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Michal,


wrt Sky= pe's API, probably they just decided to stop providing such API since t= hey have moved skype into the "cloud" (web.skype.com), and it's true that you can use skype from an= y web browser of your choice. My experience so far with web skype is terrib= le, we use Skype at work and sometimes I'm not able to even log in, whi= ch is very disappointing. Of course I always have a backup solution, which = involves using Skype on a Win/Mac OS, which is pretty unacceptable in my op= inion. That said, I'd like to think that the Skype Team is already awar= e of the problems and that they will be addressing them as soon as possible= .

Best regards,
Javi


On Wed, No= v 22, 2017 at 6:33 PM, Micha=C5=82 Zegan <webczat_200@poczta.onet= .pl> wrote:
maybe chromevox= could be integrated there? it is chromium engine after
all, and it is possible skype by itself is accessible and the only thing that prevents it from working is not their fault.

W dniu 22.11.2017 o=C2=A016:07, Alex ARNAUD pisze:
> Dear all,
>
> On the Microsoft forum Skype team has announced that Skype 4.3 is not<= br> > longer accessible since today :
> https://an= swers.microsoft.com/en-us/skype/forum/skype_linux-skype_startms-s= kype_installms/end-of-life-of-skype-for-linux-43/70fe7036-ddf3-4f= a3-9c06-1bca3ec0226c
>
>
> I've answer to the first post to explain the accessibility issue b= ut I
> need the help of more people to be sure we could find a solution.
>
> Could you answer to the thread to report to the Skype team chat we nee= d
> an API to use Pidgin for example and we need to have a Skype accessibl= e
> on Linux ?
>
> Best regards.


_______________________________________________
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https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-l= ist
Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/= stable/
GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.g= nome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org

--94eb2c0551c6c7394e055e9691e3-- From alan.ghelardi@gmail.com Wed Nov 22 19:19:21 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51957761F1 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 19:19:21 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P9EaDPR2UuAV for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 19:19:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qt0-f180.google.com (mail-qt0-f180.google.com [209.85.216.180]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9F7C0761E4 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 19:19:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qt0-f180.google.com with SMTP id r58so25228893qtc.0 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:19:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=bqcZbgD1p8hGva/wvgn5XsGrW/6YrZLcazZhXSJbt+4=; b=d0oHONz9SoE1DQCIGI+25hXN58O7508O3nmnghcpN3BJd5KBqDyEGz1hadMM0yOhRJ oWAO7EWvn9ScRH6Wpzkmsfez9YXzxjxRou92JjvzEdyV/qCEwVVWD8jsnF98bdIBHLDs QCBTQ/xLky1QcSQiYAwMmeE1D16FAzHfUi0jl/4udt4KP+TRilzlt0WAsnjWLq1A2sk/ 9RqyvDlVYRebEiCYztdJfLWBcVstZ2ZDgpSxc0Y+2QfWmVjQSbTefn+CVLcm4CpvbTjr mDVi/VLScAalhQaDcOOTdVg23ZkqYag0pXX+YeWzpycFmGYJATM5lHy2qZXdDBUAqJnF qrEw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=bqcZbgD1p8hGva/wvgn5XsGrW/6YrZLcazZhXSJbt+4=; b=Z7y+8vy18nNgy9GFtaLLv8FlGJ+cj1Qeh7zQkPv4XXot1z7oE44w816HAZZvj2ay5g iLD/Lk3V0Y5OtNO1fhedYGRfw6oP7GuVkUbYyIRkqcDQKA3/XqbsRA7oGyeNk9/hAKNM GK8r7wusQVsAyWleEizNVdNa3hvuZ+gZ0hETBEqfSCzGRc0v4PGxasEMCEbFQfaphZuQ pdUBM5LIXQnKLkoHk87g58jScE0F8UFY8vJdE2OKmRoep/J9GSpK2mrhOP9hpgFL4dtc 3JGR0vdH0s2dolBKm+OlRs960TxzOTJGyPpq/oHDlfAgdB7ooRsLUpJgWKbfixlb+d68 mSSQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX5VekPr/ytQ3SphKwlFbQre4jrBqO/2rAK4KQAxIQkGZb5h4R5x pEBvgCFIXlia+WvUhbs417rSnL/7 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMZeC1vfNJcgIYdWH+JQIZ+0zy34gQVHz2xC57h6JwgkupOsA+q7fC5vZn9Shbnr3QSRBentuA== X-Received: by 10.200.45.43 with SMTP id n40mr32892141qta.63.1511378356899; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:19:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.19.193.125] ([201.85.54.178]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 76sm11570475qky.56.2017.11.22.11.19.15 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:19:16 -0800 (PST) To: covici@ccs.covici.com Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=c5=82_Zegan?= , orca-list References: <9c94fb41-c90a-b57b-c543-a0a6af341b10@poczta.onet.pl> <3cb1266d-8adc-41fd-f217-26c22ebfc8a5@gmail.com> <9d5475e6-669b-3193-1e09-4e5d7d198b5f@gmail.com> <33cb965b-143e-3922-a210-fa81097d24c0@gmail.com> <614815f6-2090-952d-3e36-cae60e9b3dbe@gmail.com> From: Alan Ghelardi Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 17:19:30 -0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] slack probably inaccessible, maybe something happened in firefox 57? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 19:19:21 -0000 Actually this package that you are seeing in your package list is the corret one. Although the package is named as emacs-slack on Github, its name on the Melpa/analogous repos is just slack. On 11/22/2017 02:28 PM, John Covici wrote: > Thanks a lot -- unfortunately my packages list does not have > emacs-slack, it just has slack which is a different package. I could > copy the .el files to my site-lisp directory, I suppose. > > On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:09:33 -0500, > Alan Ghelardi wrote: >> I'm sorry, maybe I wasn't clear previously. Actually, you can >> install emacs-slack through the Emacs package manager (although >> you can also clone the repository to a folder that you've placed >> in the Emacs load path). I've pointed out to the Github page just >> for documentation purposes. >> >> In addition, if you are a more advanced Emacs user, you can >> utilize use-package package to install emacs-slack (and other >> packages) automatically at Emacs startup. You can have a look at >> my Emacs settings if you preffer in order to have an idea about >> that: https://github.com/alan-ghelardi/.emacs.d. >> >> On 11/22/2017 11:17 AM, John Covici wrote: >>> OK, so Icloned emacs-slack, so how do I install the thing? All I see >>> is a bunch of .el files and the readme file which says nothing about >>> installing or how to start it. >>> >>> On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 06:45:13 -0500, >>> Alan Ghelardi wrote: >>>> As far as I know no. Uploading files is very straightforward but >>>> it seems that there is no how to download then. Generally when >>>> someone uploads a file I press return over it and my default >>>> browser is open in the page where I can download the >>>> file. Perhaps this is a limitation of Slack's Web API and not of >>>> the package itself. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 11/22/2017 09:05 AM, John Covici wrote: >>>>> Also, any way to download a file using this package -- I see something >>>>> to upload the file, but how about downloading? >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 06:02:20 -0500, >>>>> Alan Ghelardi wrote: >>>>>> This package is just a client that interacts with Slack's Web API >>>>>> via an https connection. Notice that you should create an app >>>>>> associated to your account in order to obtain a client id, a >>>>>> secret key and a token to authorize the connection. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 11/21/2017 07:10 PM, John Covici wrote: >>>>>>> My team requires an ssl connection, will the package you talked about >>>>>>> from github do that? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 15:34:40 -0500, >>>>>>> Alan Ghelardi wrote: >>>>>>>> Not sure if I understood your question. Please, could you elaborate? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 11/21/2017 06:03 PM, John Covici wrote: >>>>>>>>> I looked at emacs-slack, but I need to connect via ssl -- with this >>>>>>>>> package do that? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:57:04 -0500, >>>>>>>>> Alan Ghelardi wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Have a look at: https://github.com/yuya373/emacs-slack. The >>>>>>>>>> Github page has everything that you need to get started. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 11/21/2017 01:46 PM, John Covici wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> hmmm, I tried installing slack melpa package, but could not find any >>>>>>>>>>> documentation or any way how to use it. Is the emacs-slack different >>>>>>>>>>> from this one? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 07:18:14 -0500, >>>>>>>>>>> Alan Ghelardi wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> [1 ] >>>>>>>>>>>> [1.1 ] >>>>>>>>>>>> [1.2 ] >>>>>>>>>>>> Some friends are complaining about the accessibility of Firefox 57 on Windows systems. maybe there were accessibility regressions that affected some applications on Linux as well, although I haven't tested yet and can't confirm this. >>>>>>>>>>>> However the better way that I've found to use Slack on a computer was through a Emacs package called emacs-slack. It provides an excelent access to the majority of Slack features without accessibility problems. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Obviously if you aren't an Emacs user there is no sense on using it just for getting access to Slack, but if you are, I strongly recommend having a look at it. My company uses Slack heavily and this package has saved my life since I was >>>>>>>>>>>> having lots of problems to interact with Slack with Firefox. By the way, the iPhone app also works relatively well. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/21/2017 09:24 AM, Micha Zegan wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hello. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Slack seems to be inaccessible on new firefox, before it was far better. >>>>>>>>>>>> You need access to any kind of slack channel. >>>>>>>>>>>> When you join it, your focus goes to the message field, when you switch >>>>>>>>>>>> to browse mode you should be able to navigate around, and previously it >>>>>>>>>>>> was possible, but not it reacts... weird, and actually doesn't really work. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>>>>>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>>>>>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>>>>>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> [2 ] >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>>>>>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>>>>>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>>>>>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From simon.eigeldinger@vol.at Wed Nov 22 20:13:16 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C6DE764C0 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 20:13:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TM8420YDgGgS for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 20:13:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rmisp-mx-out2.tele.net (rmisp-mx-out2.tele.net [194.183.132.18]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EE0AC76208 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 20:13:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.178.20] (194-208-201-238.tele.net [194.208.201.238]) by rmisp-mx-out2.tele.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 7B09D10DF808 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 21:13:09 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <85bf0a29-7418-9d47-95f6-7f104811ffea@gmail.com> From: Simon Eigeldinger Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 21:13:09 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <85bf0a29-7418-9d47-95f6-7f104811ffea@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 171122-2, 22.11.2017), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [orca-list] fedora net install X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 20:13:16 -0000 Hi Pavel, Thanks for the info. so i might need to upgrade from fedora 26 to 27 from inside the system then. Greetings, Simon Am 22.11.2017 um 09:35 schrieb Pavel Vlček: > Hi, > > at this Time, Fedora net installer isn't accessible. > > Pavel > > > > Dne 21.11.2017 v 21:07 Simon Eigeldinger via orca-list napsal(a): >> Hi all, >> Anyone knows how accessible the fedora netinstall media is? >> the live dvd is accessible but unfortunately for 32 bit there is just >> a net install cd around. >> >> Greetings, >> Simon >> >> --- >> Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren geprüft. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org -- Simon Eigeldinger Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/domasofan/ E-Mail: simon.eigeldinger@vol.at ICQ: 121823966 Jabber: domasofan@andrelouis.com From vlcekpavel93@gmail.com Wed Nov 22 20:38:12 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA9BB764BC for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 20:38:12 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.75 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9y3PXwuURcHw for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 20:38:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f50.google.com (mail-wm0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A13F176208 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 20:38:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-f50.google.com with SMTP id b189so12679994wmd.5 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 12:38:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=CRtathVnPucGUJ9+VsSuboJ5DacU3RutNEVmxpnQbHg=; b=HHZspzZ5wPjHIAnvrTey0+RpXTZySxzM2683D8wxraWjg8enpwa3fsKvrvQ/9GHoLP lj73SKAzsXKEkHut7W9minsigwJ7xG9Cc46kTGO6GpY47kb3KogOVjMnqVwWc3UhbvUk lDnurPLKkRQjH0xx/6IWeYlOkjWvzij5v46XZcxEZgxRJe9aE4sLEZFvV3/YCwWPw+TQ wDT601hHHazQLZ1kPjbLT+QP6CBFxc4oAQRy9rKbcnoy/LLZ7WC1HavR/lJeRfG3G3Ot Zg133CmThgOnnlf9qWTmMiXwOe7PRACGqRCTuj9iwblooRbNH6FdRkGoWa3YHDX8Hsws MECQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=CRtathVnPucGUJ9+VsSuboJ5DacU3RutNEVmxpnQbHg=; b=JATV43naCsJY4tV5NwsOQ/HUletP9EgqLLIfTCIutDkkNpcnPVWXfDXrZCV/5L+aod pur6RBLfcSY0Fp9R9ur10h5WYB+6osfXEOmjD55URg7vyyUqSS6jifGlM+GS2q/Mfzeg WVF4LjXvQJpx4DjADK/BQuF/B3ps2L+hDVBMTDWRbnClcphuk112nMZNgq01WIYwZ9s1 3r7fvSzGbrk2FBZyUah9Y6P9iKgdlGcHLkH3lzlFh//SDM5oEYAGJ44NqyTgtf8bOel4 qd1WPirBf2Fj3sxuDopZSC+CbIzio1ry6uWlF9h3DEFUUNP9ipM2PszOhf2crHP93qh0 PSXA== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX70PUtG+xcVKYRF9NO5xsLYIl0w1KgrTXQ/WLrIkwR5VcJGShaV myoKpwQXmisoJ9JRNhylUFH58Bo7 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMaf6h6aO7tw4k4R5SK+BIt+OKOZ0HjosQyx0GbVkF4xevC2lH7I7iwZK+ln+Y4SWoZwdTv9xg== X-Received: by 10.28.27.206 with SMTP id b197mr5039411wmb.96.1511383087162; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 12:38:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.104] (78-157-160-1.silesnet.net. [78.157.160.1]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id z11sm10586714wre.73.2017.11.22.12.38.05 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 22 Nov 2017 12:38:05 -0800 (PST) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <85bf0a29-7418-9d47-95f6-7f104811ffea@gmail.com> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Pavel_Vl=c4=8dek?= Message-ID: <1da1b72c-a2f6-e2a5-d5cb-695d6c778921@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 21:38:08 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: cs-CZ Subject: Re: [orca-list] fedora net install X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 20:38:12 -0000 Yam upgrading using gnome-software it is the easiest way to upgrade Fedora. Dne 22.11.2017 v 21:13 Simon Eigeldinger via orca-list napsal(a): > Hi Pavel, > > Thanks for the info. > so i might need to upgrade from fedora 26 to 27 from inside the system > then. > > Greetings, > Simon > > > Am 22.11.2017 um 09:35 schrieb Pavel Vlček: >> Hi, >> >> at this Time, Fedora net installer isn't accessible. >> >> Pavel >> >> >> >> Dne 21.11.2017 v 21:07 Simon Eigeldinger via orca-list napsal(a): >>> Hi all, >>> Anyone knows how accessible the fedora netinstall media is? >>> the live dvd is accessible but unfortunately for 32 bit there is >>> just a net install cd around. >>> >>> Greetings, >>> Simon >>> >>> --- >>> Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren geprüft. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > From simon.eigeldinger@vol.at Wed Nov 22 20:56:18 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2527764BC for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 20:56:18 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OdbxpNY_59Rb for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 20:56:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rmisp-mx-out1.tele.net (rmisp-mx-out1.tele.net [194.183.132.17]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C7A976208 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 20:56:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.178.20] (194-208-201-238.tele.net [194.208.201.238]) by rmisp-mx-out1.tele.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 2782B10DF948 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 21:56:12 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <85bf0a29-7418-9d47-95f6-7f104811ffea@gmail.com> <1da1b72c-a2f6-e2a5-d5cb-695d6c778921@gmail.com> From: Simon Eigeldinger Message-ID: <4096740b-9091-b6e5-795e-d9640d0a1676@vol.at> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 21:56:07 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1da1b72c-a2f6-e2a5-d5cb-695d6c778921@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 171122-2, 22.11.2017), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [orca-list] fedora net install X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 20:56:18 -0000 Here is also a nice article about upgrading from Fedora 26 to Fedora 27: https://fedoramagazine.org/upgrading-fedora-26-fedora-27/ Am 22.11.2017 um 21:38 schrieb Pavel Vlček: > Yam upgrading using gnome-software it is the easiest way to upgrade Fedora. > > > Dne 22.11.2017 v 21:13 Simon Eigeldinger via orca-list napsal(a): >> Hi Pavel, >> >> Thanks for the info. >> so i might need to upgrade from fedora 26 to 27 from inside the system >> then. >> >> Greetings, >> Simon >> >> >> Am 22.11.2017 um 09:35 schrieb Pavel Vlček: >>> Hi, >>> >>> at this Time, Fedora net installer isn't accessible. >>> >>> Pavel >>> >>> >>> >>> Dne 21.11.2017 v 21:07 Simon Eigeldinger via orca-list napsal(a): >>>> Hi all, >>>> Anyone knows how accessible the fedora netinstall media is? >>>> the live dvd is accessible but unfortunately for 32 bit there is >>>> just a net install cd around. >>>> >>>> Greetings, >>>> Simon >>>> >>>> --- >>>> Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren geprüft. >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org -- Simon Eigeldinger Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/domasofan/ E-Mail: simon.eigeldinger@vol.at ICQ: 121823966 Jabber: domasofan@andrelouis.com From jdashiel@panix.com Wed Nov 22 21:23:50 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DFF1764B4 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 21:23:50 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Leorh4uj6lr3 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 21:23:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 15F6C76208 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 21:23:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from panix1.panix.com (panix1.panix.com [166.84.1.1]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8EDC118E4; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 16:23:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by panix1.panix.com (Postfix, from userid 20712) id B7ED314B9D; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 16:23:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by panix1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B39DC14B98; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 16:23:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 16:23:46 -0500 From: Jude DaShiell To: Simon Eigeldinger , orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <85bf0a29-7418-9d47-95f6-7f104811ffea@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [orca-list] fedora net install X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 21:23:50 -0000 You could use the workstation version of Fedora 27 so far as I now know, the workstation versions are the only accessible fedora versions. On Wed, 22 Nov 2017, Simon Eigeldinger via orca-list wrote: > Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 15:13:09 > From: Simon Eigeldinger via orca-list > Reply-To: Simon Eigeldinger > To: orca-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: [orca-list] fedora net install > > Hi Pavel, > > Thanks for the info. > so i might need to upgrade from fedora 26 to 27 from inside the system then. > > Greetings, > Simon > > > Am 22.11.2017 um 09:35 schrieb Pavel Vl?ek: >> Hi, >> >> at this Time, Fedora net installer isn't accessible. >> >> Pavel >> >> >> >> Dne 21.11.2017 v 21:07 Simon Eigeldinger via orca-list napsal(a): >>> Hi all, >>> Anyone knows how accessible the fedora netinstall media is? >>> the live dvd is accessible but unfortunately for 32 bit there is just a >>> net install cd around. >>> >>> Greetings, >>> Simon >>> >>> --- >>> Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren gepr?ft. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > -- From simon.eigeldinger@vol.at Wed Nov 22 21:27:11 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF8E876208 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 21:27:11 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PZG-TRspdaip for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 21:27:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rmisp-mx-out2.tele.net (rmisp-mx-out2.tele.net [194.183.132.18]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6CE98764BC for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 21:27:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.178.20] (194-208-201-238.tele.net [194.208.201.238]) by rmisp-mx-out2.tele.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 6A80A10DF808; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 22:27:04 +0100 (CET) To: Jude DaShiell , orca-list@gnome.org References: <85bf0a29-7418-9d47-95f6-7f104811ffea@gmail.com> From: Simon Eigeldinger Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 22:26:59 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 171122-2, 22.11.2017), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [orca-list] fedora net install X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 21:27:12 -0000 Hi Jude, Yes the workstation version is accessible but unfortunately there are no fedora secondary builds for 32 bit at the moment. there is the 32 bit workstation net install image but not the full one. Greetings, Simon Am 22.11.2017 um 22:23 schrieb Jude DaShiell: > You could use the workstation version of Fedora 27 so far as I now know, > the workstation versions are the only accessible fedora versions. > > On Wed, 22 Nov 2017, Simon Eigeldinger via orca-list wrote: > >> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 15:13:09 >> From: Simon Eigeldinger via orca-list >> Reply-To: Simon Eigeldinger >> To: orca-list@gnome.org >> Subject: Re: [orca-list] fedora net install >> >> Hi Pavel, >> >> Thanks for the info. >> so i might need to upgrade from fedora 26 to 27 from inside the system >> then. >> >> Greetings, >> Simon >> >> >> Am 22.11.2017 um 09:35 schrieb Pavel Vl?ek: >>>  Hi, >>> >>>  at this Time, Fedora net installer isn't accessible. >>> >>>  Pavel >>> >>> >>> >>>  Dne 21.11.2017 v 21:07 Simon Eigeldinger via orca-list napsal(a): >>>>  Hi all, >>>>  Anyone knows how accessible the fedora netinstall media is? >>>>  the live dvd is accessible but unfortunately for 32 bit there is >>>> just a >>>>  net install cd around. >>>> >>>>  Greetings, >>>>  Simon >>>> >>>>  --- >>>>  Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren gepr?ft. >>>>  https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>> >>>>  _______________________________________________ >>>>  orca-list mailing list >>>>  orca-list@gnome.org >>>>  https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>  Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>  Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>  GNOME Universal Access guide: >>>>  https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>>  Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> >>>  _______________________________________________ >>>  orca-list mailing list >>>  orca-list@gnome.org >>>  https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>  Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>  Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>  GNOME Universal Access guide: >>>  https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>  Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> >> > -- Simon Eigeldinger Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/domasofan/ E-Mail: simon.eigeldinger@vol.at ICQ: 121823966 Jabber: domasofan@andrelouis.com --- Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren geprüft. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From jdashiel@panix.com Wed Nov 22 21:36:04 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F68B764BC for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 21:36:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WWctsJsjwyLI for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 21:36:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7637A764B4 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 21:36:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from panix1.panix.com (panix1.panix.com [166.84.1.1]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AC6911071; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 16:36:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by panix1.panix.com (Postfix, from userid 20712) id 2E2A914B9D; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 16:36:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by panix1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A9D514B98; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 16:36:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 16:36:01 -0500 From: Jude DaShiell To: Javier Hernandez , =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Micha=B3_Zegan?= cc: Orca List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <9fc55190-1681-46d1-3b57-13983757b3d3@hypra.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6221796023557834563==" Subject: Re: [orca-list] End of Life of Skype for Linux 4.3 : help me to make Skype 8 accessible X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 21:36:04 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --===============6221796023557834563== Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII on Slint RC2, chromium was made able to talk once speech-dispatcher got started up in it correctly. Orca has to be turned off though to use chromium with speech-dispatcher though. I don't know how far this will get anyone with current flavor of skype though. On Wed, 22 Nov 2017, Javier Hernandez wrote: > Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 13:34:26 > From: Javier Hernandez > To: Micha? Zegan > Cc: Orca List > Subject: Re: [orca-list] End of Life of Skype for Linux 4.3 : help me to make > Skype 8 accessible > > Hi Michal, > > as far as I know, the new skype for linux is an electron app. From an > end-user point of view, it's just an application where web.skype.com is > embedded and that includes the required plumbing around having the > audio/video/notifications working at the OS level. So yes, there is a > chromium engine involved, but not in a way we can add the chromevox > extension. As far as I can tell, the accessibility issues are the same > we're facing with chromium/chrome web browsers. Others, including Alex, can > explain better than me what is the current status of it. > > wrt Skype's API, probably they just decided to stop providing such API > since they have moved skype into the "cloud" (web.skype.com), and it's true > that you can use skype from any web browser of your choice. My experience > so far with web skype is terrible, we use Skype at work and sometimes I'm > not able to even log in, which is very disappointing. Of course I always > have a backup solution, which involves using Skype on a Win/Mac OS, which > is pretty unacceptable in my opinion. That said, I'd like to think that the > Skype Team is already aware of the problems and that they will be > addressing them as soon as possible. > > Best regards, > Javi > > > On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 6:33 PM, Micha? Zegan > wrote: > >> maybe chromevox could be integrated there? it is chromium engine after >> all, and it is possible skype by itself is accessible and the only thing >> that prevents it from working is not their fault. >> >> W dniu 22.11.2017 o 16:07, Alex ARNAUD pisze: >>> Dear all, >>> >>> On the Microsoft forum Skype team has announced that Skype 4.3 is not >>> longer accessible since today : >>> https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/skype/forum/skype_linux- >> skype_startms-skype_installms/end-of-life-of-skype-for- >> linux-43/70fe7036-ddf3-4fa3-9c06-1bca3ec0226c >>> >>> >>> I've answer to the first post to explain the accessibility issue but I >>> need the help of more people to be sure we could find a solution. >>> >>> Could you answer to the thread to report to the Skype team chat we need >>> an API to use Pidgin for example and we need to have a Skype accessible >>> on Linux ? >>> >>> Best regards. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/ >> gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> > -- --===============6221796023557834563== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-ID: Content-Description: Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org --===============6221796023557834563==-- From jdashiel@panix.com Wed Nov 22 21:49:23 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA3D8764BC for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 21:49:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rhNg296KbYnw for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 21:49:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9590A76208 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 21:49:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from panix1.panix.com (panix1.panix.com [166.84.1.1]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F4B011A34; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 16:49:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by panix1.panix.com (Postfix, from userid 20712) id 326F514B9D; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 16:49:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by panix1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B7A514B98; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 16:49:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 16:49:20 -0500 From: Jude DaShiell To: John Covici , Alan Ghelardi , orca-list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <3cb1266d-8adc-41fd-f217-26c22ebfc8a5@gmail.com> <9d5475e6-669b-3193-1e09-4e5d7d198b5f@gmail.com> <33cb965b-143e-3922-a210-fa81097d24c0@gmail.com> <20171122132637.GB2583@bison> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [orca-list] slack probably inaccessible, maybe something happened in firefox 57? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 21:49:23 -0000 Search for the readme.md file, I was on that site and found instructions in that file. On Wed, 22 Nov 2017, John Covici wrote: > Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:29:26 > From: John Covici > To: John Covici , > Alan Ghelardi , orca-list > Subject: Re: [orca-list] slack probably inaccessible, > maybe something happened in firefox 57? > > I see no instructions there, except the readme which tells how to get > a token, but not how to install or start the package -- otherwise its > just a bunch of .el files. > > On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 08:26:37 -0500, > Will Estes wrote: >> >> https://github.com/yuya373/emacs-slack >> >> Has instructions. They're a bit on the short side, but it looks pretty thorough. >> >> On Wednesday, 22 November 2017, 8:17 am -0500, John Covici wrote: >> >>> OK, so Icloned emacs-slack, so how do I install the thing? All I see >>> is a bunch of .el files and the readme file which says nothing about >>> installing or how to start it. >>> >>> On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 06:45:13 -0500, >>> Alan Ghelardi wrote: >>>> >>>> As far as I know no. Uploading files is very straightforward but >>>> it seems that there is no how to download then. Generally when >>>> someone uploads a file I press return over it and my default >>>> browser is open in the page where I can download the >>>> file. Perhaps this is a limitation of Slack's Web API and not of >>>> the package itself. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 11/22/2017 09:05 AM, John Covici wrote: >>>>> Also, any way to download a file using this package -- I see something >>>>> to upload the file, but how about downloading? >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 06:02:20 -0500, >>>>> Alan Ghelardi wrote: >>>>>> This package is just a client that interacts with Slack's Web API >>>>>> via an https connection. Notice that you should create an app >>>>>> associated to your account in order to obtain a client id, a >>>>>> secret key and a token to authorize the connection. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 11/21/2017 07:10 PM, John Covici wrote: >>>>>>> My team requires an ssl connection, will the package you talked about >>>>>>> from github do that? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 15:34:40 -0500, >>>>>>> Alan Ghelardi wrote: >>>>>>>> Not sure if I understood your question. Please, could you elaborate? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 11/21/2017 06:03 PM, John Covici wrote: >>>>>>>>> I looked at emacs-slack, but I need to connect via ssl -- with this >>>>>>>>> package do that? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:57:04 -0500, >>>>>>>>> Alan Ghelardi wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Have a look at: https://github.com/yuya373/emacs-slack. The >>>>>>>>>> Github page has everything that you need to get started. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 11/21/2017 01:46 PM, John Covici wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> hmmm, I tried installing slack melpa package, but could not find any >>>>>>>>>>> documentation or any way how to use it. Is the emacs-slack different >>>>>>>>>>> from this one? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 07:18:14 -0500, >>>>>>>>>>> Alan Ghelardi wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> [1 ] >>>>>>>>>>>> [1.1 ] >>>>>>>>>>>> [1.2 ] >>>>>>>>>>>> Some friends are complaining about the accessibility of Firefox 57 on Windows systems. maybe there were accessibility regressions that affected some applications on Linux as well, although I haven't tested yet and can't confirm this. >>>>>>>>>>>> However the better way that I've found to use Slack on a computer was through a Emacs package called emacs-slack. It provides an excelent access to the majority of Slack features without accessibility problems. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Obviously if you aren't an Emacs user there is no sense on using it just for getting access to Slack, but if you are, I strongly recommend having a look at it. My company uses Slack heavily and this package has saved my life since I was >>>>>>>>>>>> having lots of problems to interact with Slack with Firefox. By the way, the iPhone app also works relatively well. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/21/2017 09:24 AM, Micha? Zegan wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hello. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Slack seems to be inaccessible on new firefox, before it was far better. >>>>>>>>>>>> You need access to any kind of slack channel. >>>>>>>>>>>> When you join it, your focus goes to the message field, when you switch >>>>>>>>>>>> to browse mode you should be able to navigate around, and previously it >>>>>>>>>>>> was possible, but not it reacts... weird, and actually doesn't really work. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>>>>>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>>>>>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>>>>>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> [2 ] >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>>>>>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>>>>>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>>>>>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: >>> How do >>> you spend it? >>> >>> John Covici >>> covici@ccs.covici.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> >> -- >> Will Estes >> westes575@gmail.com > > -- From lists@wolfdream.ca Wed Nov 22 21:52:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EB0F764BC for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 21:52:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5jIOwX00fTMB for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 21:52:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hapkido.dreamhost.com (hapkido.dreamhost.com [66.33.216.122]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A35C76208 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 21:52:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from homiemail-a126.g.dreamhost.com (sub5.mail.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.129]) by hapkido.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2FFA8F0C7 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 13:52:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from homiemail-a126.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a126.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 831E060005401 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 13:52:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=wolfdream.ca; h=date:from :to:subject:message-id:reply-to:mime-version:content-type; s= wolfdream.ca; bh=NVw5TF08xCU5QJptBANJ1UnQQxY=; b=Rt7s1Jp/irH7/FV jIosj+eH1D7qc+vV6sjSeLScdfT0sK/Jd9vXW40b7D9U+muLoWCKsR/YrDxihwMl gD9OvA+qKusX2Z36grkzhEtuhHWnMrc34M2IimVeRpVzclxxmzDlwkvvthJbWr1X r9CW64cbtyYNQhFHqu9Vz5HBh11U= Received: from localhost (unknown [45.72.253.7]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: lists@wolfdream.ca) by homiemail-a126.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1550560005400 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 13:52:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 16:52:32 -0500 From: "S. Massy" To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20171122215232.GA26260@Laptop> Reply-To: lists@wolfdream.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: [orca-list] Regions in Firefox X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 21:52:40 -0000 Hello, On a certain school web platform I use, the questions are in regions. I down arrow on the page, but, when I hit that region, I can't go any further (it just says problem region). I can control-right-arrow to read it word by word or tab over it to the next control, but getting to read it normally is impossible. I had this issue with an older version of Orca and have now installed the git master version with similar results (only it used to say landmark and now it says region). Is this a bug or feature? How to I get it to read the region's content? Thanks, S.M. -- Sebastien Massy Montreal, Canada Website: http://www.wolfdream.ca Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/SMassy1 LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/sebastien-massy/47/5a5/81a From jdiggs@igalia.com Wed Nov 22 22:40:31 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D893764C3 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 22:40:31 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.011 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.011 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jAHoyoFfXWfa for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 22:40:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [91.117.99.155]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DDA6A76208 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 22:40:28 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:Cc:References:To:Subject; bh=IHWZrzWIqAB6FteA/jdLyroA7gIz12zdpF8unVdQU2s=; b=MGcUE4JikVMsl7H1Kal9d+2sOFWVst1xaY/yzKnJCTz/GOHP/zA3B3CJO4Lk5i26cZ84KGYeUNBEZ93xQG0QkLxpihJY9Yw8UjOZawykod5HDNfLjPrTF5/NNc679ksEuBL4FsX/ZHVPzoc4fcyIqb4bZVv5am2fPsl+Lds78fT5W1NWTGBZgY/znP5VQVcrxVnam6SzCHBszj5L4lojogh6KmvwbXz0ZRQ/Asx5Wre/z3q77+wElfBPqgHTfUcMtdbiuKA0ms1L7bDXfwLFbEWzd3Eg4LW2YznjkvjE6VfhUH91uaPkeR45K2J+uN6FnB0zfX+HpZqVTuirdLIRJA==; Received: from c-24-91-94-186.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([24.91.94.186] helo=[192.168.35.111]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1eHdgu-0004xU-NA; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 23:40:24 +0100 To: lists@wolfdream.ca References: <20171122215232.GA26260@Laptop> Cc: orca-list@gnome.org From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <5cfe2dbf-ddc7-0384-647c-c4d28ca9a9ba@igalia.com> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 17:40:12 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20171122215232.GA26260@Laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Regions in Firefox X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 22:40:31 -0000 You should be able to arrow into it if you are not in focus mode. If that's not the case, it would be helpful to have content where I can reproduce and debug the issue. Thanks! --joanie On 11/22/2017 04:52 PM, S. Massy wrote: > Hello, > On a certain school web platform I use, the questions are in regions. > I down arrow on the page, but, when I hit that region, I can't go any > further (it just says problem region). I can control-right-arrow to read > it word by word or tab over it to the next control, but getting to read > it normally is impossible. I had this issue with an older version of > Orca and have now installed the git master version with similar results > (only it used to say landmark and now it says region). Is this a bug or > feature? How to I get it to read the region's content? > Thanks, > S.M. > From covici@ccs.covici.com Wed Nov 22 23:09:38 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FBA7764C3 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 23:09:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eKPDNnEXazVf for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 23:09:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail0157.smtp25.com (mail0157.smtp25.com [75.126.84.157]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 900E2761F5 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 23:09:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ccs.covici.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ccs.covici.com (8.14.9/8.14.8) with ESMTP id vAMN9O3O027789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 22 Nov 2017 18:09:24 -0500 Received: (from covici@localhost) by ccs.covici.com (8.14.9/8.13.7/Submit) id vAMN9O7f027787; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 18:09:24 -0500 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 18:09:24 -0500 Message-ID: From: John Covici To: Alan Ghelardi Cc: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Micha=B3?= Zegan , orca-list In-Reply-To: References: <9c94fb41-c90a-b57b-c543-a0a6af341b10@poczta.onet.pl> <3cb1266d-8adc-41fd-f217-26c22ebfc8a5@gmail.com> <9d5475e6-669b-3193-1e09-4e5d7d198b5f@gmail.com> <33cb965b-143e-3922-a210-fa81097d24c0@gmail.com> <614815f6-2090-952d-3e36-cae60e9b3dbe@gmail.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) SEMI-EPG/1.14.7 (Harue) FLIM/1.14.9 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Goj=F2?=) APEL/10.8 EasyPG/1.0.0 Emacs/25.3 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Reply-To: covici@ccs.covici.com Organization: Covici Computer Systems MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SpamH-Filter: d-out-001.smtp25.com-vAMN9PQx015736 X-SpamH-OriginatingIP: 70.109.53.110 Subject: Re: [orca-list] slack probably inaccessible, maybe something happened in firefox 57? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 23:09:38 -0000 OK, that is helpful -- thanks. On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 14:19:30 -0500, Alan Ghelardi wrote: >=20 > Actually this package that you are seeing in your package list is > the corret one. Although the package is named as emacs-slack on > Github, its name on the Melpa/analogous repos is just slack. >=20 > On 11/22/2017 02:28 PM, John Covici wrote: > > Thanks a lot -- unfortunately my packages list does not have > > emacs-slack, it just has slack which is a different package. I could > > copy the .el files to my site-lisp directory, I suppose. > >=20 > > On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:09:33 -0500, > > Alan Ghelardi wrote: > >> I'm sorry, maybe I wasn't clear previously. Actually, you can > >> install emacs-slack through the Emacs package manager (although > >> you can also clone the repository to a folder that you've placed > >> in the Emacs load path). I've pointed out to the Github page just > >> for documentation purposes. > >>=20 > >> In addition, if you are a more advanced Emacs user, you can > >> utilize use-package package to install emacs-slack (and other > >> packages) automatically at Emacs startup. You can have a look at > >> my Emacs settings if you preffer in order to have an idea about > >> that: https://github.com/alan-ghelardi/.emacs.d. > >>=20 > >> On 11/22/2017 11:17 AM, John Covici wrote: > >>> OK, so Icloned emacs-slack, so how do I install the thing? All I see > >>> is a bunch of .el files and the readme file which says nothing about > >>> installing or how to start it. > >>>=20 > >>> On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 06:45:13 -0500, > >>> Alan Ghelardi wrote: > >>>> As far as I know no. Uploading files is very straightforward but > >>>> it seems that there is no how to download then. Generally when > >>>> someone uploads a file I press return over it and my default > >>>> browser is open in the page where I can download the > >>>> file. Perhaps this is a limitation of Slack's Web API and not of > >>>> the package itself. > >>>>=20 > >>>>=20 > >>>> On 11/22/2017 09:05 AM, John Covici wrote: > >>>>> Also, any way to download a file using this package -- I see someth= ing > >>>>> to upload the file, but how about downloading? > >>>>>=20 > >>>>> On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 06:02:20 -0500, > >>>>> Alan Ghelardi wrote: > >>>>>> This package is just a client that interacts with Slack's Web API > >>>>>> via an https connection. Notice that you should create an app > >>>>>> associated to your account in order to obtain a client id, a > >>>>>> secret key and a token to authorize the connection. > >>>>>>=20 > >>>>>>=20 > >>>>>> On 11/21/2017 07:10 PM, John Covici wrote: > >>>>>>> My team requires an ssl connection, will the package you talked a= bout > >>>>>>> from github do that? > >>>>>>>=20 > >>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 15:34:40 -0500, > >>>>>>> Alan Ghelardi wrote: > >>>>>>>> Not sure if I understood your question. Please, could you elabor= ate? > >>>>>>>>=20 > >>>>>>>>=20 > >>>>>>>> On 11/21/2017 06:03 PM, John Covici wrote: > >>>>>>>>> I looked at emacs-slack, but I need to connect via ssl -- with = this > >>>>>>>>> package do that? > >>>>>>>>>=20 > >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:57:04 -0500, > >>>>>>>>> Alan Ghelardi wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> Have a look at: https://github.com/yuya373/emacs-slack. The > >>>>>>>>>> Github page has everything that you need to get started. > >>>>>>>>>>=20 > >>>>>>>>>>=20 > >>>>>>>>>> On 11/21/2017 01:46 PM, John Covici wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> hmmm, I tried installing slack melpa package, but could not f= ind any > >>>>>>>>>>> documentation or any way how to use it. Is the emacs-slack d= ifferent > >>>>>>>>>>> from this one? > >>>>>>>>>>>=20 > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 07:18:14 -0500, > >>>>>>>>>>> Alan Ghelardi wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> [1 ] > >>>>>>>>>>>> [1.1 ] > >>>>>>>>>>>> [1.2 ] > >>>>>>>>>>>> Some friends are complaining about the accessibility of Fire= fox 57 on Windows systems. maybe there were accessibility regressions that = affected some applications on Linux as well, although I haven't tested yet = and can't confirm this. > >>>>>>>>>>>> However the better way that I've found to use Slack on a com= puter was through a Emacs package called emacs-slack. It provides an excele= nt access to the majority of Slack features without accessibility problems. > >>>>>>>>>>>>=20 > >>>>>>>>>>>> Obviously if you aren't an Emacs user there is no sense on u= sing it just for getting access to Slack, but if you are, I strongly recomm= end having a look at it. My company uses Slack heavily and this package has= saved my life since I was > >>>>>>>>>>>> having lots of problems to interact with Slack with Firefox.= By the way, the iPhone app also works relatively well. > >>>>>>>>>>>>=20 > >>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/21/2017 09:24 AM, Micha=B3 Zegan wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>=20 > >>>>>>>>>>>> Hello. > >>>>>>>>>>>>=20 > >>>>>>>>>>>> Slack seems to be inaccessible on new firefox, before it was= far better. > >>>>>>>>>>>> You need access to any kind of slack channel. > >>>>>>>>>>>> When you join it, your focus goes to the message field, when= you switch > >>>>>>>>>>>> to browse mode you should be able to navigate around, and pr= eviously it > >>>>>>>>>>>> was possible, but not it reacts... weird, and actually doesn= 't really work. > >>>>>>>>>>>>=20 > >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list > >>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org > >>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>>>>>>>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > >>>>>>>>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > >>>>>>>>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/g= nome-help/stable/a11y.html > >>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > >>>>>>>>>>>>=20 > >>>>>>>>>>>> [2 ] > >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list > >>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org > >>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>>>>>>>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > >>>>>>>>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > >>>>>>>>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/g= nome-help/stable/a11y.html > >>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >=20 --=20 Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici covici@ccs.covici.com From sath.linux@gmail.com Thu Nov 23 02:41:09 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAE4D764C9 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 02:41:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2QL8x2BkACjU for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 02:41:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ot0-f175.google.com (mail-ot0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8E894764C8 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 02:41:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ot0-f175.google.com with SMTP id v15so15220259ote.6 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 18:41:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=lfAv7i0e9gmK7zhE3YmcVRT80619soF9AAMnEsiOMHA=; b=atKEfvmnWZWbQx/eDUPfiTVZlBcKpiMfQPsMNernjoOJENDeAylPxjMnB3LZUImffQ TwDROeOQoP2YcfPSqyZh9Kr2xieZNM1eti0CrnnyNFYYm7nvTlLivjyCarjZGGHdfPND T4gj8hZcqc8yOCnTvmcmWfpITWptVFNY8f/aQr7A60zJQZp43kqJFla/UNiDDGq44TuV SRiQFqg3mOJaBA1fzRR6F6PG9UpbnmLMzKA04f7D6PQWs+Q20qerxUjbgkggvL1ulHSk paTMpluQCnZjHNaqS3qm+cCDYpeOqeSWd5gd3zKZ9JuMVrx0/sJgchFQyQHqnMhA8MVP YdTA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=lfAv7i0e9gmK7zhE3YmcVRT80619soF9AAMnEsiOMHA=; b=MqiRKjY3kEvUtWs3RVoX3rLuvn2plyzXkz3l9hIQnM4lGCQ5TU2xAcodswsI52eJAi e+IEc56Bqn/xon4NWsBfmx428V/1JFLjHQSrPrZHx95J/BXHqO3F8GptSAcl1JMXzOzA xFfVYBg1VQQDufF/JWjL4tV2TaSFgP6PC2iVWsLwjJmAivUVMquWp8p+c68Sl5uRPJAY EDUwRsrpE6PDOB7i45kXxkQEtdug0M9iR2MuFY61SbBJZ3wWXnFmVCceXGuAoGbgM4j0 dyUatpdR8TNasg1/Yzp+uf8ESpTrHF6ZWrj41IJ+vcnlHGydJD5wIawFRf4Fhond0trW Ctww== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX59QSrSb/p1OJj//WLN0DzEHaRTmJM19j/OTAAk94Z+QDfYRREg rHKDekN7GBhq+BhuWWsMe2Ye+bFvWbsrYqt//qQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMaPnBR1I1w8UYZo7mEmzkxAI4WtWpx2qDzDV04mPrF3oAQZBfJe9kuYXTpXRSp6yfkKe84bOA26bx7hvx7k9kY= X-Received: by 10.157.22.205 with SMTP id s13mr17074925ots.223.1511404865921; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 18:41:05 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.5.40 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 18:41:05 -0800 (PST) From: Sath Linux Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2017 08:11:05 +0530 Message-ID: To: orca-list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: [orca-list] Luke you can not go. All The libraries are now accessible before the blind X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2017 02:41:10 -0000 Dear Luke, You are not going anywhere, but work with us the community most needed of you. Whatever work you have done is in our heart and please understand that it has caused dreams come true for many. Luke, I lost my sight at the age of ten and the most worrying thing was the lose of my ability to read the printed. Now we have developed a distribution of our own (accessible coconut) You see luke, which can read almost all the prominent languages of the world. Now visually impaired community has the access to any library in the world. Luke, This is all for your work that we could develop lios that enabled the under-abled. We are happy to tell my community that we have a system wide six key Brailler mode for typing language, accessible tuxtype and tuxmaths for practicing typing skill in different languages, that too in a gameful manner, Xboard an accessible front end chess, accessible musical instrument LMMS for playing music and accessible coconut for all computational purpose. We plan to develop many things. Luke whatever we have done is done standing on the ground you have dug and prepared. I don't think that world is so cheap a place to throw away freedom and openness for that thirty silver coins. With prayers Sathyan. visit cocofrix.com -- *Mob : +919446012215 FREE SOFTWARE FREE SOCIETY * From jdashiel@panix.com Thu Nov 23 06:15:49 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAC8F764C8 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 06:15:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ilt44QSRNNh3 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 06:15:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9599576220 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 06:15:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from panix1.panix.com (panix1.panix.com [166.84.1.1]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63BAE11938; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 01:15:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by panix1.panix.com (Postfix, from userid 20712) id 3133614B9D; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 01:15:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by panix1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D6BE14B98; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 01:15:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2017 01:15:45 -0500 From: Jude DaShiell To: Didier Spaier , orca-list cc: Aiyumi , =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Peter_V=E1gner?= In-Reply-To: <0f898a1f-d579-5b2f-0466-6bfaf36ab287@slint.fr> Message-ID: References: <0f898a1f-d579-5b2f-0466-6bfaf36ab287@slint.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [orca-list] Testers of Slint64-14.2RC2 reporting no sound in graphical environment X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2017 06:15:49 -0000 I got espeak working and once graphical mode was started using startx I needed to turn the screen reader on and the speech only gave me the start up message then no more. I have more testing to try in that environment later probably once the screen reader is running try to get into its preferences. Another problem, I only have a wifi connection here for computers and this time nmtui failed to work for me. Two problems first after deleting the ethernet connection I had to do that earlier to get my network name to come up this time my network name did not come up and I'm using the same adapter to write this message on panix1.panix.com on a different computer. The main computer is far older than what I tested slint on this time too. I think I'll do a reinstall and not install kde and see what other options are available to configure networks other than networkmanager on this system. Maybe if another exists it might work bettter this time. On Mon, 20 Nov 2017, Didier Spaier wrote: > Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 09:13:49 > From: Didier Spaier > To: orca-list > Cc: Aiyumi , Peter V?gner , > Jude DaShiell > Subject: Testers of Slint64-14.2RC2 reporting no sound in graphical > environment > > Hello, > > I received two reports that puzzle me of testers of Slint64-14.2.1RC2: > http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-testing/iso/ > One is in this post: > https://forum.salixos.org/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=7462#p43392 > cut here > Further, there was no /dev/audio during past boots. > So my program "saytime" would not work. > I copied /dev/audio over from Slint-32 and saytime is working and > /dev/audio survives a reboot sofar. > > This user actually installed RC then upgraded using these instructions: > http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-testing/upgrade/README-UPGRADE > and maybe alos those: > http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-testing/upgrade/from-rc-to-rc2 > > This is a sighted user so I am just puzzled how that could happen. > > The second report worries me more, as the tester, Aiyumi in CC, is blind > and skilled: she actually got me started making Slint accessible with > this blog post: > http://aiyumi.warpstar.net/en/blog/installing-orca-on-slackware-14.2/ > > She installed anew from this ISO: > http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-testing/iso/slint64-14.2.1RC2.iso > Starting the system after installation in text mode she got sound from > speakup, but no sound in graphical environment after having typed > startx. > > I tried the same thing an got sound from orca. > > I am now thinking that the issue could be related to pulseaudio and or > alsa rather than to the a11y stack itself, as we start pulseaudio system > wide but without any specific setting that maybe we miss. The daemon is > started like this as shown in /etc/rc.d/rc.pulseaudio: > /usr/bin/pulseaudio --system --disallow-module-loading 1> /dev/null 2> /dev/null & > > Any hint or clue to investigate this issue is appreciated. I am > forwarding Aiyumi's last post below. > > Greetings, > > Didier > > Forwarded message begins here > Sujet : Re: Slint 14.2.1rc2, last call for testing. > Date : Sun, 19 Nov 2017 21:27:58 -0200 > De : Aiyumi Moriya > Pour : Didier Spaier > > 2017-11-19 19:34 GMT-02:00, Didier Spaier >> I just installed anew RC2 from this file: >> http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-testing/iso/slint64-14.2.1RC2.iso > > Yes, that's the one I installed. > >> When asked I pressed S to have speech during installation, that I did in >> French. When asked I chose to start in Console mode. >> >> At first reboot I had speech on the console, and after startx I had >> speech on the desktop. > > After reboot I had speech on the console, but after "startx" I had no > speech on the desktop. I created a new user, then did "orca-on" then > "startx," but nothing. I didn't try runlevelconfig or anything else. > >> So, I really don't know from where come your issue. Did you reformat the >> root partition when installing, setting up a new filesystem in it? > > Yes, I reformated the root partition. The home partition is shared > with another Slackware install, but that's why I created a new user > (to start with a fresh user with no interference from the files from > the other system's user). But it didn't work. I also tried unmounting > the home partition and creating a new user in the root partition, but > it didn't work, either. > > Here are the checks from the previous message: > > 2017-11-19 12:18 GMT-02:00, Didier Spaier : >> A few things to check, even though you probably already did: >> - is the user member of the audio group? > > Yes. And pulse group too. > >> - are the Atspi, and Orca owned by the user? > > Yes. > >> - is /etc/rc.d/rc.pulseaudio executable? > > Yes. > >> - aren't there stale file lying around, that should have been >> removed? For instance: >> /etc/xdg/autostart.desktop >> /usr/share/autostart/startorca.desktop >> /usr/share/autostart/orca.snip? > > No. It's a clean install. I formated the root partition before installing. > >> - does ~/.profile only contains >> cut here >> export PAGER=/usr/bin/most >> export GROFF_ENCODING=UTF-8 >> export XDG_CACHE_HOME=/dev/shm/$(whoami) >> mkdir -p /dev/shm/$(whoami) >> chmod 700 /dev/shm/$(whoami) >> export XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=$XDG_CACHE_HOME >> cut here > > Yes. > >> - do you have a file ~/auto/startorca.desktop with this content: >> cut here >> [Desktop Entry] >> Type=Application >> Version=1.0 >> Name=orca >> Exec=/usr/bin/orca >> Hidden=false >> cut here > > Yes. > >> - if you made any upgrade using slapt-get --upgrade, did you >> run "dotnew" as root after that? > > I only installed Slint and didn't upgrade anything. > > -- From jdashiel@panix.com Thu Nov 23 06:16:48 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC2E7764C8 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 06:16:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qbRe0scNGl4Y for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 06:16:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CBCAC76220 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 06:16:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from panix1.panix.com (panix1.panix.com [166.84.1.1]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CFD61195C; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 01:16:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by panix1.panix.com (Postfix, from userid 20712) id 1707214B9D; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 01:16:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by panix1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 165D214B98; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 01:16:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2017 01:16:46 -0500 From: Jude DaShiell To: Didier Spaier , orca-list cc: Aiyumi , =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Peter_V=E1gner?= In-Reply-To: <0f898a1f-d579-5b2f-0466-6bfaf36ab287@slint.fr> Message-ID: References: <0f898a1f-d579-5b2f-0466-6bfaf36ab287@slint.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [orca-list] Testers of Slint64-14.2RC2 reporting no sound in graphical environment X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2017 06:16:49 -0000 I forgot to mention a difference between old computer and new computer is new computer has an hdmi card on it. On Mon, 20 Nov 2017, Didier Spaier wrote: > Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 09:13:49 > From: Didier Spaier > To: orca-list > Cc: Aiyumi , Peter V?gner , > Jude DaShiell > Subject: Testers of Slint64-14.2RC2 reporting no sound in graphical > environment > > Hello, > > I received two reports that puzzle me of testers of Slint64-14.2.1RC2: > http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-testing/iso/ > One is in this post: > https://forum.salixos.org/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=7462#p43392 > cut here > Further, there was no /dev/audio during past boots. > So my program "saytime" would not work. > I copied /dev/audio over from Slint-32 and saytime is working and > /dev/audio survives a reboot sofar. > > This user actually installed RC then upgraded using these instructions: > http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-testing/upgrade/README-UPGRADE > and maybe alos those: > http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-testing/upgrade/from-rc-to-rc2 > > This is a sighted user so I am just puzzled how that could happen. > > The second report worries me more, as the tester, Aiyumi in CC, is blind > and skilled: she actually got me started making Slint accessible with > this blog post: > http://aiyumi.warpstar.net/en/blog/installing-orca-on-slackware-14.2/ > > She installed anew from this ISO: > http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-testing/iso/slint64-14.2.1RC2.iso > Starting the system after installation in text mode she got sound from > speakup, but no sound in graphical environment after having typed > startx. > > I tried the same thing an got sound from orca. > > I am now thinking that the issue could be related to pulseaudio and or > alsa rather than to the a11y stack itself, as we start pulseaudio system > wide but without any specific setting that maybe we miss. The daemon is > started like this as shown in /etc/rc.d/rc.pulseaudio: > /usr/bin/pulseaudio --system --disallow-module-loading 1> /dev/null 2> /dev/null & > > Any hint or clue to investigate this issue is appreciated. I am > forwarding Aiyumi's last post below. > > Greetings, > > Didier > > Forwarded message begins here > Sujet : Re: Slint 14.2.1rc2, last call for testing. > Date : Sun, 19 Nov 2017 21:27:58 -0200 > De : Aiyumi Moriya > Pour : Didier Spaier > > 2017-11-19 19:34 GMT-02:00, Didier Spaier >> I just installed anew RC2 from this file: >> http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-testing/iso/slint64-14.2.1RC2.iso > > Yes, that's the one I installed. > >> When asked I pressed S to have speech during installation, that I did in >> French. When asked I chose to start in Console mode. >> >> At first reboot I had speech on the console, and after startx I had >> speech on the desktop. > > After reboot I had speech on the console, but after "startx" I had no > speech on the desktop. I created a new user, then did "orca-on" then > "startx," but nothing. I didn't try runlevelconfig or anything else. > >> So, I really don't know from where come your issue. Did you reformat the >> root partition when installing, setting up a new filesystem in it? > > Yes, I reformated the root partition. The home partition is shared > with another Slackware install, but that's why I created a new user > (to start with a fresh user with no interference from the files from > the other system's user). But it didn't work. I also tried unmounting > the home partition and creating a new user in the root partition, but > it didn't work, either. > > Here are the checks from the previous message: > > 2017-11-19 12:18 GMT-02:00, Didier Spaier : >> A few things to check, even though you probably already did: >> - is the user member of the audio group? > > Yes. And pulse group too. > >> - are the Atspi, and Orca owned by the user? > > Yes. > >> - is /etc/rc.d/rc.pulseaudio executable? > > Yes. > >> - aren't there stale file lying around, that should have been >> removed? For instance: >> /etc/xdg/autostart.desktop >> /usr/share/autostart/startorca.desktop >> /usr/share/autostart/orca.snip? > > No. It's a clean install. I formated the root partition before installing. > >> - does ~/.profile only contains >> cut here >> export PAGER=/usr/bin/most >> export GROFF_ENCODING=UTF-8 >> export XDG_CACHE_HOME=/dev/shm/$(whoami) >> mkdir -p /dev/shm/$(whoami) >> chmod 700 /dev/shm/$(whoami) >> export XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=$XDG_CACHE_HOME >> cut here > > Yes. > >> - do you have a file ~/auto/startorca.desktop with this content: >> cut here >> [Desktop Entry] >> Type=Application >> Version=1.0 >> Name=orca >> Exec=/usr/bin/orca >> Hidden=false >> cut here > > Yes. > >> - if you made any upgrade using slapt-get --upgrade, did you >> run "dotnew" as root after that? > > I only installed Slint and didn't upgrade anything. > > -- From fhfbotelho@gmail.com Thu Nov 23 11:01:10 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81DA1764EC for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 11:01:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mjYzBqgL2mEe for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 11:01:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qk0-f180.google.com (mail-qk0-f180.google.com [209.85.220.180]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2ADC0764F3 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 11:01:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qk0-f180.google.com with SMTP id n3so20464778qkn.11 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 03:01:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:reply-to:subject:references:to:from:organization:message-id :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Ag7xsvLMsfPoXXL5E2g/GeqIdld86ZIkhA8la3LkXko=; b=gL6ZUx8seGw9740LZVrwzSxiMzf1ImZVV7I5d2TZaysB+KVTGDIuPFaMGsGwjRNmVq S33HcD61Ebr7uyDpQ0zCnS0eOYj8pQ4FTksYO6Vr1lfp9T5jfbkkJSSKVmN5ugiBCNc9 JGJshuAyxAIZyfcgYr7k0femSNwXxgqsJFikbfqbeW40aXCQeZ4BQIL1C8EtghSEOjkX S4aNsZN+0AoAmK/sGLsnav0bLAd3D9zRJTS8hZ5oDuw/x4LHAXvQ6q210Dshu1eJwwRl 9RopSE/pjq4Id65eS5WauCPmg1ajQO0RzPxFVuaxm9PPmsmBlGX0wbak71f6EhswaNqO H9/Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:reply-to:subject:references:to:from :organization:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Ag7xsvLMsfPoXXL5E2g/GeqIdld86ZIkhA8la3LkXko=; b=tcI1voR2UFETi3zFM5XSOgCz7kW2JReDQg9ME6ncSfsv7eXrziWvbculcDkJJxN8qJ nIeUDqCAlG/oXPIc4KaDxf6G4OUMAS9iKiKXMQvqwG6FuV/olLFjx0h2nMBu3tsTemgg bTtaHMLPJFpU2/nWuxFKUnsENwvxOqJyfktpPm5mmRa0AjdN/W7pZN3fGMwBGn95gDp0 CJvExuJHKB/kcPr8miGnVbuJqVRuxnTe9Vy/1fiFWJte34Rkg5Duh6CDhxRhhc1BhOAJ qnAjJLd2jfn0OrIRROc0JAi/qEOmFj4fecUh99ay4g+0Ew3HNjCqdoVxAzfqzFCGG11o aQsQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX5X8YRqrfcT7tv8OBO1JLMICWnjOiSbCwVcx1gSw0Al8XFG/+yE 3hVvkge+FX6dv4bXkZ24grO2Kg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMauBhoREw/2oObu6558Ibf80syNErAe1StRabDYWQFrUtIYP8B6DaTFWSYcsZy5TTa/LoGrCQ== X-Received: by 10.55.54.146 with SMTP id d140mr38284361qka.39.1511434865785; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 03:01:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.100.8] ([177.92.38.191]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id v89sm12570263qkv.80.2017.11.23.03.01.04 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 23 Nov 2017 03:01:05 -0800 (PST) Sender: Fernando Botelho Reply-To: Fernando.Botelho@F123.org References: To: Sath Linux , orca-list From: Fernando Botelho Organization: F123 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2017 09:01:02 -0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Luke you can not go. All The libraries are now accessible before the blind X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2017 11:01:10 -0000 Hello Sathyan, Thank you for writing to Luke, I am sure he will be back eventually. I am responding because of your mention of an accessible typing tutor software. Can you point us to github or any other repositories containing the source code for this major contribution to accessibility? Thank you, Fernando On 11/23/2017 12:41 AM, Sath Linux wrote: > Dear Luke, > You are not going anywhere, but work with us the community most needed > of you. Whatever work you have done is in our heart and please > understand that it has caused dreams come true for many. Luke, I lost > my sight at the age of ten and the most worrying thing was the lose of > my ability to read the printed. Now we have developed a distribution > of our own (accessible coconut) You see luke, which can read almost > all the prominent languages of the world. Now visually impaired > community has the access to any library in the world. Luke, This is > all for your work that we could develop lios that enabled the > under-abled. > We are happy to tell my community that we have a system wide six key > Brailler mode for typing language, accessible tuxtype and tuxmaths for > practicing typing skill in different languages, that too in a gameful > manner, Xboard an accessible front end chess, accessible musical > instrument LMMS for playing music and accessible coconut for all > computational purpose. We plan to develop many things. > Luke whatever we have done is done standing on the ground you have dug > and prepared. I don't think that world is so cheap a place to throw > away freedom and openness for that thirty silver coins. > With prayers > Sathyan. > visit cocofrix.com > From ecole.tyna@gmail.com Thu Nov 23 13:34:46 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D5F8764E2 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 13:34:46 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e4Et0QL2IbLs for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 13:34:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qt0-f175.google.com (mail-qt0-f175.google.com [209.85.216.175]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4C1E4764B5 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 13:34:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qt0-f175.google.com with SMTP id j12so6213506qtc.9 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 05:34:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4VJQPb9oBiLpCJb8q3guR/3lBcNL5WQq6iWFZ14/aIE=; b=X8h2GRo7w8aDJY6YRveFfEhYYfP029pjoI9GnOlyTR39osq1vozvpsUdhRU6Ahr44Z S18pYAb/9zh3SIY0Vp1QItVhek7bbKovjzxBx7kxrpgNiqfet6BKrbLTRW710OzLYiQU co2Ygg813xGoxs7Tl5SNc8yKf0xBxIOdHtYCeVTCVNoHsr3/zY4gGTtVZlhjtHiVpcJ3 FRD9WtFJv8ahmsVbziSB+X7UymdWcXtH7YMCsEGZG+gmR0+ZrlfYof3H+db4IyrOxlHR 04OCNA/NSaiirLkXa/ZVkxb0r+T8AXFwIpRlhuQOs57JBm1agBp2VfU5xIF+cQ1gnoxx CSIQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4VJQPb9oBiLpCJb8q3guR/3lBcNL5WQq6iWFZ14/aIE=; b=QbbCoTetYQi3FLl6Yr6kcwZKialEK0MARz2Cb5h5RpdZHEbvPS8G+GqAuLDaoMwhdY sXNKoXzYVtmgwyUTlOpkQgy8Cd29xqMM58a6VyTm5S2Df6RxniW/id6PyQkKPtGMgDJh po4GcwW0sMnkyUlWDqD4h6E2MOZpo6vnzeAy4o6LSiKrHIbeip5uX+kFqMtYwqwQgMJj WEkXOYehLfRdyfSuScWsvIdpMBwHZ8rBnnt+VNM9//GH6Qz0hF2PaU8SbdPmzV11O6ob 9Wv+jWqAc5Rg13Kbt7x+NJnWOu2C8JWkkP5pJPHLKuokuK9vMSG0GiEyyq46f8Y033iG 31Qg== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX4J7UGqCw0U5R4OlZQGbdUQJOB9vEWJfjaBoRJ61Oz2AOc1A6+9 zHpo6VOOpOutaPfzLnwt9wcUYA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMYZL+FPJr2eOmlp2VHhSXd8LWRVXDzV+Okm7tsLwbIuQOrGww0ZUxrdhGeLKyW282wXTXFmeQ== X-Received: by 10.200.25.92 with SMTP id g28mr13484417qtk.66.1511444082086; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 05:34:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2001:470:1d:7b6::d09:f00d? ([2001:470:1d:7b6::d09:f00d]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id s43sm13019376qta.49.2017.11.23.05.34.41 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 23 Nov 2017 05:34:41 -0800 (PST) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <9fc55190-1681-46d1-3b57-13983757b3d3@hypra.fr> From: Tyna Pelletier-Bilodeau Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2017 08:34:19 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] End of Life of Skype for Linux 4.3 : help me to make Skype 8 accessible X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2017 13:34:46 -0000 For those of you that aren't aware, there is https://github.com/EionRobb/skype4pidgin/tree/master/skypeweb It doesn't allow you to call, but you can at leastwrite to people. Personnally if I could speak I'd use chromium+chromevox for calls and content myself with pidgin for the rest. -------- Message original -------- > on Slint RC2, chromium was made able to talk once speech-dispatcher > got started up in it correctly. Orca has to be turned off though to > use chromium with speech-dispatcher though. I don't know how far this > will get anyone with current flavor of skype though. > > On Wed, 22 Nov 2017, Javier Hernandez wrote: > >> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 13:34:26 >> From: Javier Hernandez >> To: Micha? Zegan >> Cc: Orca List >> Subject: Re: [orca-list] End of Life of Skype for Linux 4.3 : help me >> to make >> Skype 8 accessible >> >> Hi Michal, >> >> as far as I know, the new skype for linux is an electron app. From an >> end-user point of view, it's just an application where web.skype.com is >> embedded and that includes the required plumbing around having the >> audio/video/notifications working at the OS level. So yes, there is a >> chromium engine involved, but not in a way we can add the chromevox >> extension. As far as I can tell, the accessibility issues are the same >> we're facing with chromium/chrome web browsers. Others, including >> Alex, can >> explain better than me what is the current status of it. >> >> wrt Skype's API, probably they just decided to stop providing such API >> since they have moved skype into the "cloud" (web.skype.com), and >> it's true >> that you can use skype from any web browser of your choice. My >> experience >> so far with web skype is terrible, we use Skype at work and sometimes >> I'm >> not able to even log in, which is very disappointing. Of course I always >> have a backup solution, which involves using Skype on a Win/Mac OS, >> which >> is pretty unacceptable in my opinion. That said, I'd like to think >> that the >> Skype Team is already aware of the problems and that they will be >> addressing them as soon as possible. >> >> Best regards, >> Javi >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 6:33 PM, Micha? Zegan >> >> wrote: >> >>> maybe chromevox could be integrated there? it is chromium engine after >>> all, and it is possible skype by itself is accessible and the only >>> thing >>> that prevents it from working is not their fault. >>> >>> W dniu 22.11.2017 o 16:07, Alex ARNAUD pisze: >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> On the Microsoft forum Skype team has announced that Skype 4.3 is not >>>> longer accessible since today : >>>> https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/skype/forum/skype_linux- >>> skype_startms-skype_installms/end-of-life-of-skype-for- >>> linux-43/70fe7036-ddf3-4fa3-9c06-1bca3ec0226c >>>> >>>> >>>> I've answer to the first post to explain the accessibility issue but I >>>> need the help of more people to be sure we could find a solution. >>>> >>>> Could you answer to the thread to report to the Skype team chat we >>>> need >>>> an API to use Pidgin for example and we need to have a Skype >>>> accessible >>>> on Linux ? >>>> >>>> Best regards. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/ >>> gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From fhfbotelho@gmail.com Thu Nov 23 15:18:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 461D57621E for ; 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Thu, 23 Nov 2017 07:18:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.100.8] ([177.92.38.191]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id a26sm13410935qta.50.2017.11.23.07.18.27 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 23 Nov 2017 07:18:28 -0800 (PST) Sender: Fernando Botelho Reply-To: Fernando.Botelho@F123.org References: To: Sath Linux , orca-list From: Fernando Botelho Organization: F123 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2017 13:18:25 -0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Luke you can not go. All The libraries are now accessible before the blind X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2017 15:18:33 -0000 Also, please send me directly if you like, your full name and/or the name of your organization so we can thank you officially on the F123.org page for this valuable contribution. My direct e-mail is: fernando@f123.org Thanks, Fernando On 11/23/2017 09:01 AM, Fernando Botelho wrote: > Hello Sathyan, > > Thank you for writing to Luke, I am sure he will be back eventually. > > I am responding because of your mention of an accessible typing tutor > software. Can you point us to github or any other repositories > containing the source code for this major contribution to accessibility? > > Thank you, > > Fernando > > > On 11/23/2017 12:41 AM, Sath Linux wrote: >> Dear Luke, >> You are not going anywhere, but work with us the community most needed >> of you. Whatever work you have done is in our heart and please >> understand that it has caused dreams come true for many. Luke, I lost >> my sight at the age of ten and the most worrying thing was the lose of >> my ability to read the printed. Now we have developed a distribution >> of our own (accessible coconut) You see luke, which can read almost >> all the prominent languages of the world. Now visually impaired >> community has the access to any library in the world. Luke, This is >> all for your work that we could develop lios that enabled the >> under-abled. >> We are happy to tell my community that we have a system wide six key >> Brailler mode for typing language, accessible tuxtype and tuxmaths for >> practicing typing skill in different languages, that too in a gameful >> manner, Xboard an accessible front end chess, accessible musical >> instrument LMMS for playing music and accessible coconut for all >> computational purpose. We plan to develop many things. >> Luke whatever we have done is done standing on the ground you have dug >> and prepared. I don't think that world is so cheap a place to throw >> away freedom and openness for that thirty silver coins. >> With prayers >> Sathyan. >> visit cocofrix.com >> > From sath.linux@gmail.com Fri Nov 24 04:39:35 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C2FA7621D for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 04:39:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LdZ7s-dCR1Xm for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 04:39:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi0-f48.google.com (mail-oi0-f48.google.com [209.85.218.48]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 86D9C761FF for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 04:39:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oi0-f48.google.com with SMTP id a75so14348245oib.1 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 20:39:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Fnz84FwGJyp0lCcevc/FX5g/WBU8z8RhFCtQdyIWG/w=; b=sZFQN9ooovG060C+3DsGJKLjha7mOmzdKlsnM9tTuem6aONMrZz44iUAK+AKh8s3e7 Qy4ZzGBy6ZjrD8eeqfaCSxBIc6+cjIPOcIqteYOo6TegKMQl1THsIc2N8O19OjW+yfJH Y/u+BOfIU1zASas6tI0yDTMP81oWsGMU4lWeXLOQ5XkxjFP1MBz23B5GHmiJg0DW8+z/ hVtwKyU0pSo/PnuvBivRWJWjzEi9ANAacv7VKnV3/y6CEupodRk6ieDzlOL5Doce/zPx 6UHeN/ACi5ZWZ0quWN2+Iwo3vejL0vsNMaYa9jXoboW6NrcI1oJKc9mFHpc+Jwj5LjdT Ojog== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Fnz84FwGJyp0lCcevc/FX5g/WBU8z8RhFCtQdyIWG/w=; b=MmGKZyYvAhqWUCBARIBqNlaoSqBcxfev2EF15gwYTL2qiS6Mb4pCJshYC1KEt5zkcT hOhJBuzJiz5BcU5avtqIpNNo/dwU/jWYh4IiYSn5EnYB87lTPAxbjraFR7bRwLq2QDjt 97B3YIfshv3nAWNGa3rc0LtJxQgyyXX/IdCBQHILcmx1rK5IlC8c9DIPv+SOInkzzf/X 01YddBEGXgMrmwI20GpuUOPpF6etmS0Ts8PHASRl1oVi9T9A1Xo6D0CGHrU4+qvXmVXU XZT6mNIFdX0dKFZbDxp3NoZqpsslaZ3kskN3VcuLi0m6ZhaNBgabFBTN6S/b1138wpqD +tfA== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX6avmpKa3IHml35v3TbTSLsjY+wbFcEDOw5i2rInoolDm0L2JKF q1n7+cmwiYOw82CInLh8It03LpeTdXZMt9ljRMk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMY9KuPiNw2wz4h4z7/F7nCAaIqj/BZwlsf8nzLUjGkhR128/VaJ9MWqcXjoQdmvbErNwW3id1LutSUHARVD23A= X-Received: by 10.202.49.6 with SMTP id x6mr7547402oix.338.1511498371327; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 20:39:31 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.5.40 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 20:39:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Sath Linux Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 10:09:30 +0530 Message-ID: To: Fernando.Botelho@f123.org Cc: orca-list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [orca-list] Luke you can not go. All The libraries are now accessible before the blind X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 04:39:35 -0000 In order to install accessible tuxtype one have to compile t4k_common and tuxtype by cloning from git repository. For a debian based OS you may need following packages autopoint build-essential libtool libsdl1.2-dev libsdl-image1.2-dev libsdl-mixer1.2-dev libsdl-net1.2-dev libsdl-sound1.2-dev libsdl-pango-dev librsvg2-dev libxml2-dev libspeechd-dev Now clone and install t4k_common using following commands git clone https://alioth.debian.org/anonscm/git/tux4kids/t4kcommon.git cd t4kcommon autoreconf --install ./configure make sudo make install Finally clone and install tuxtype using following commands git clone https://alioth.debian.org/anonscm/git/tux4kids/tuxtype.git cd t4kcommon autoreconf --install ./configure make sudo make install You can open your accessible tuxtype using "tuxtype --tts". Also for learning braille you can use "tuxtype --tts --braille" Thanking you Sathyan. On 11/23/17, Fernando Botelho wrote: > Also, please send me directly if you like, your full name and/or the > name of your organization so we can thank you officially on the F123.org > page for this valuable contribution. > > My direct e-mail is: > fernando@f123.org > > Thanks, > > Fernando > > > On 11/23/2017 09:01 AM, Fernando Botelho wrote: >> Hello Sathyan, >> >> Thank you for writing to Luke, I am sure he will be back eventually. >> >> I am responding because of your mention of an accessible typing tutor >> software. Can you point us to github or any other repositories >> containing the source code for this major contribution to accessibility? >> >> Thank you, >> >> Fernando >> >> >> On 11/23/2017 12:41 AM, Sath Linux wrote: >>> Dear Luke, >>> You are not going anywhere, but work with us the community most needed >>> of you. Whatever work you have done is in our heart and please >>> understand that it has caused dreams come true for many. Luke, I lost >>> my sight at the age of ten and the most worrying thing was the lose of >>> my ability to read the printed. Now we have developed a distribution >>> of our own (accessible coconut) You see luke, which can read almost >>> all the prominent languages of the world. Now visually impaired >>> community has the access to any library in the world. Luke, This is >>> all for your work that we could develop lios that enabled the >>> under-abled. >>> We are happy to tell my community that we have a system wide six key >>> Brailler mode for typing language, accessible tuxtype and tuxmaths for >>> practicing typing skill in different languages, that too in a gameful >>> manner, Xboard an accessible front end chess, accessible musical >>> instrument LMMS for playing music and accessible coconut for all >>> computational purpose. We plan to develop many things. >>> Luke whatever we have done is done standing on the ground you have dug >>> and prepared. I don't think that world is so cheap a place to throw >>> away freedom and openness for that thirty silver coins. >>> With prayers >>> Sathyan. >>> visit cocofrix.com >>> >> > > -- *Mob : +919446012215 FREE SOFTWARE FREE SOCIETY * From fhfbotelho@gmail.com Fri Nov 24 12:29:35 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69CFE764B8 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 12:29:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6pRAln5trxGT for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 12:29:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f52.google.com (mail-wm0-f52.google.com [74.125.82.52]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CD3BC7623D for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 12:29:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-f52.google.com with SMTP id g130so20283589wme.0 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 04:29:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:reply-to:subject:references:to:cc:from:organization :message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=FekTLF8Jtws2ZAvBYUqR/D9iBQ2JPdsIXvP0ZCIOFVQ=; b=ZlQgW7waqq2IbAIZCgnt7RKoTnMiR4uX7H842WY7+gJ2vNuysLeKH5A2a/xK34thom 5Azd+LAAPwEz96F7lpw7+/y+8cUXjQntUWGOoaGPPeg6oR9IydBueH/lDJ7u86QcTLje J4FIp+MwnXJwLbJ2afyAAPpQNyGsWjPUAagT2jQaV2R3KDFQWd3NxeNCAi33Iu+qWeLR bTiE42OSPb5D1CNo6oXC8X8pwnmM0mgWWrSNt0NJyvjLF9ijvHidhIvzlcKYmty6YmKG SdwituOCXRp1RUQj7Vp0OSiyxde0VRiItZmab5fCt7PkpZ/v2Qnb34mT0WyTKpqnpsih dYaw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:reply-to:subject:references:to:cc:from :organization:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=FekTLF8Jtws2ZAvBYUqR/D9iBQ2JPdsIXvP0ZCIOFVQ=; b=qp8voV8UH/OLxwZxDTiuvzFKUYvm+DvjZWRwtRUN27xlHoBvXv3PW+2HLb9kvA+sb0 masKllaXTisjeQDTUCfaw2YQuhAU0Ag0QAIbH4CH4j7gCzGcacgSS2FFGVaNVASKDaFm q0aYTJG/AArckK04BR/CxCiayoSJRMT27uZVjiP57cXlHpTMdIhbb5UCqJuts1Cs5/FE Y1NiYjh+ov6KqRvJZEhJcR3mSdNHZnhCb0zWzP93E0YqDPLg4wEx42uCVtoUYqCp+Td7 he34d4iYglwNT8QqGwcfz7w5cm0UNIctPhEJwMeb0hNM5t/FVWHYRUXtDXdde1IQuo5p jUzA== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX4yUhGdab6/NteVZ5gLrPDCuQwvRSYoaXi3MJbfqxVvup2AD9ii bttlKqp+dTSVZp/W98Zz15DgKg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMapt9LeeA+nO+oqc36sGOW18Y+lOHyhbiF2wFagG+DnmPXPGYvDtrj1uZ1xre3Nr09Ss5I2bw== X-Received: by 10.80.181.33 with SMTP id y30mr39721982edd.150.1511526569604; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 04:29:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2804:14d:884:13d8:f3f4:8cb3:5c7e:b1c6? ([2804:14d:884:13d8:f3f4:8cb3:5c7e:b1c6]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id g45sm15621291eda.88.2017.11.24.04.29.25 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 24 Nov 2017 04:29:29 -0800 (PST) Sender: Fernando Botelho Reply-To: Fernando.Botelho@F123.org References: To: Sath Linux Cc: orca-list From: Fernando Botelho Organization: F123 Message-ID: <557bbb55-a365-c957-0b83-bda75cdf3412@F123.org> Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 10:29:21 -0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Luke you can not go. All The libraries are now accessible before the blind X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 12:29:35 -0000 Thank you very much Sathyan! Fernando On 11/24/2017 02:39 AM, Sath Linux wrote: > In order to install accessible tuxtype one have to compile t4k_common > and tuxtype by cloning from git repository. > > For a debian based OS you may need following packages > > autopoint > build-essential > libtool > libsdl1.2-dev > libsdl-image1.2-dev > libsdl-mixer1.2-dev > libsdl-net1.2-dev > libsdl-sound1.2-dev > libsdl-pango-dev > librsvg2-dev > libxml2-dev > libspeechd-dev > > Now clone and install t4k_common using following commands > > git clone https://alioth.debian.org/anonscm/git/tux4kids/t4kcommon.git > cd t4kcommon > autoreconf --install > ./configure > make > sudo make install > > Finally clone and install tuxtype using following commands > > git clone https://alioth.debian.org/anonscm/git/tux4kids/tuxtype.git > cd t4kcommon > autoreconf --install > ./configure > make > sudo make install > > You can open your accessible tuxtype using "tuxtype --tts". Also for > learning braille you can use "tuxtype --tts --braille" > > Thanking you Sathyan. > > On 11/23/17, Fernando Botelho wrote: >> Also, please send me directly if you like, your full name and/or the >> name of your organization so we can thank you officially on the F123.org >> page for this valuable contribution. >> >> My direct e-mail is: >> fernando@f123.org >> >> Thanks, >> >> Fernando >> >> >> On 11/23/2017 09:01 AM, Fernando Botelho wrote: >>> Hello Sathyan, >>> >>> Thank you for writing to Luke, I am sure he will be back eventually. >>> >>> I am responding because of your mention of an accessible typing tutor >>> software. Can you point us to github or any other repositories >>> containing the source code for this major contribution to accessibility? >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Fernando >>> >>> >>> On 11/23/2017 12:41 AM, Sath Linux wrote: >>>> Dear Luke, >>>> You are not going anywhere, but work with us the community most needed >>>> of you. Whatever work you have done is in our heart and please >>>> understand that it has caused dreams come true for many. Luke, I lost >>>> my sight at the age of ten and the most worrying thing was the lose of >>>> my ability to read the printed. Now we have developed a distribution >>>> of our own (accessible coconut) You see luke, which can read almost >>>> all the prominent languages of the world. Now visually impaired >>>> community has the access to any library in the world. Luke, This is >>>> all for your work that we could develop lios that enabled the >>>> under-abled. >>>> We are happy to tell my community that we have a system wide six key >>>> Brailler mode for typing language, accessible tuxtype and tuxmaths for >>>> practicing typing skill in different languages, that too in a gameful >>>> manner, Xboard an accessible front end chess, accessible musical >>>> instrument LMMS for playing music and accessible coconut for all >>>> computational purpose. We plan to develop many things. >>>> Luke whatever we have done is done standing on the ground you have dug >>>> and prepared. I don't think that world is so cheap a place to throw >>>> away freedom and openness for that thirty silver coins. >>>> With prayers >>>> Sathyan. >>>> visit cocofrix.com >>>> >> > From jdiggs@igalia.com Fri Nov 24 14:03:53 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD6C87631D for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 14:03:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.011 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.011 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hNRzU2ccO6SP for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 14:03:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [91.117.99.155]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 221A27623D for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 14:03:51 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:Subject:From:To; bh=XIZuejloi0rNb3tlkWtKSYJmigr50/OV/zLX65JMISE=; b=F6OtY2RlZN9F8znT00l1Im1XyQQ15ELS7uglx9vhEFxslBYS5dyyhIeTBeofglw8GcKLMiqrZcQd6KbtH5o276iKlZ1CO0IGAAMxieknIhHoPRi5cPRtWB3uvkpmpBOYUUqO/d4/7uQWqBHoLMoYmcoYv6FAqA/+L8SNsik6+6jL/h9MrX5RrMKV7G6L0YXhpYXQ5/OpfEe0qNnadiNg9I1zSlwG4D+6+Zn4wR6BQORpoTl8Med7l9bbORbC+O6kmvZThAzt5LZJA4V3gh2bk6zGZ3Tj2bzWtyvdC0/xmC8wUbVhtWv/Aubc/xKMYJN9Hu9zBJRIQMQXUoglRU+JJQ==; Received: from c-24-91-94-186.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([24.91.94.186] helo=[192.168.35.111]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1eIEa3-0005Ui-PD for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 15:03:48 +0100 To: Orca List From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <4600da23-ec02-9191-c4a3-0fd88fe9da0a@igalia.com> Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 09:03:35 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Where Am I spoken presentation X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 14:03:53 -0000 Hey all. Right now there is custom spoken presentation for Where Am I for quite a few roles. Does having a different spoken presentation provide any benefit over re-presenting the current object as if it just got focus? I was thinking that, as a general rule, basic Where Am I could present the current object as if it just got focus. Thoughts? Then there's the question of what to do with detailed Where Am I. Before I make a proposal regarding it, I'd be interested in hearing how/why you're currently using detailed Where Am I. Thanks! --joanie From pvdeejay@gmail.com Sat Nov 25 05:12:30 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBF2576A27 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2017 05:12:30 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qjsCG_nZI-RD for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2017 05:12:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f42.google.com (mail-wm0-f42.google.com [74.125.82.42]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 44645760A8 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2017 05:12:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-f42.google.com with SMTP id b189so25703969wmd.5 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 21:12:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=n/Z//b7lleNTuUVtu80zmC1MB4AAZLYAVZcL/Q3Q/4A=; b=CHbdJH32dU9anz/GH7LCgUov/ieoy2z+NxnOXioBOgnvWglPlmxnb6nZDvOZYQfTTm 7w2Hs/utdW9hwo2393oavsfIP6pfFtddPHyLeDwHlzMLDA6+qNxkR0ztupZmLzadUT9M VvQR3Mn54aLWS9nTB84af/uRCxvkOt7Wvs40nBH0t/xxmFiD3c+I9aEYd9xynqyRmWzu xVrH0a1rnqGMqgr3Ckdx28ptPIQ8eszIhJVi3iZ23c+XvQFuUAWoB2fYmyZd0jy1+h0+ trzoU0lkQRgIDMHo8sD8qMtgMPBkZk69CBdhAv7PKSl0mm1G32k5jRd2LRUt26Mlq9yG cYQA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=n/Z//b7lleNTuUVtu80zmC1MB4AAZLYAVZcL/Q3Q/4A=; b=ZdHbf/bpr2FPMwe4ZEDpjSUDT77pAOZCIjLV/q8Tpgo0zvCQG42Knc4L7IvvSwCzg3 GX06KJTHS2ZYhkLO0fgQCxSOzQp9z1+cM1rNhhrrAxIhoo+B/vRekHg9hTSTxsn1Lt1y x4iD0TCN94yITnR0iGJPe6b1ZU7sXZJt9/f/W4KAwnByLhxafxoJA/p4PKIlGaiEZjOT 3y8jIkM9E5mRgwptn/WA/wICj1TpryzhFMeqR+Y6k4zb4oVJzDwd6XEjObDY6JlhpqvH BaKfoICaLVcSUf9job4YUDwcrkQPBy9y75MEkqhEInD42ZUrmIYGtVRGk1WXkxw9nPwy hmOw== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX7MieXZrc1S/ftZUVJrbY3XfTAEOchrbzHgD4aug/hg7uDh6dn6 NUCrq8bXcuddxfFmtkfSxXQub46TwS7ffMsjx9s= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMbK1iywwaKqFsQhPuUNHzi4uIlFhyPgxY7oxCgfUJP3DAOji6QMkTH8pr2/KD65bEPglKhPGsljbTQPaNXn3mk= X-Received: by 10.28.167.22 with SMTP id q22mr12734546wme.52.1511586731054; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 21:12:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.184.76 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 21:12:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.28.184.76 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 21:12:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4600da23-ec02-9191-c4a3-0fd88fe9da0a@igalia.com> References: <4600da23-ec02-9191-c4a3-0fd88fe9da0a@igalia.com> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=C3=A1gner?= Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2017 06:12:10 +0100 Message-ID: To: Joanmarie Diggs Cc: orca-list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a114ba78426dc74055ec7b6b6" Subject: Re: [orca-list] Where Am I spoken presentation X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2017 05:12:31 -0000 --001a114ba78426dc74055ec7b6b6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, By default where am I is bound to numpad enter and detailed where am I is bound to double numpad enter. I am using where am I very randomly only and not frequently. However I've noticed it usually provides much more context than wher reporting the same object as it gains the focus. For example when in lists, tables (such as list of files in PCMan FM), treeviews and similar, where am I always reports position info e.g. this is 50 item of 130 or similar. Also it reports full role info including ancestors where it makes some sense. I would say it's really much more detailed than just relying on the focus presentation. Given the fact I'm using it very rare I don't have strong objections against your proposal I've just wanted to point out differences possible enhancements It's providing on the top of casual focus reporting. Now I think guys will be able to report with more comments. Thanks and greetingss Peter D=C5=88a 24. 11. 2017 15:03 pou=C5=BE=C3=ADvate=C4=BE "Joanmarie Diggs" nap=C3=ADsal: > Hey all. > > Right now there is custom spoken presentation for Where Am I for quite a > few roles. Does having a different spoken presentation provide any > benefit over re-presenting the current object as if it just got focus? > > I was thinking that, as a general rule, basic Where Am I could present > the current object as if it just got focus. Thoughts? > > Then there's the question of what to do with detailed Where Am I. Before > I make a proposal regarding it, I'd be interested in hearing how/why > you're currently using detailed Where Am I. > > Thanks! > --joanie > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/ > gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > --001a114ba78426dc74055ec7b6b6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello,

By default where am I is bound to numpad enter and detailed = where am I is bound to double numpad enter.
I am using where am I very randomly only and not frequently. However I'= ve noticed it usually provides much more context than wher reporting the sa= me object as it gains the focus.
For example when in lists, tables (such as list of files in PCMan FM), tree= views and similar, where am I always reports position info e.g. this is 50 = item of 130 or similar. Also it reports full role info including ancestors = where it makes some sense. I would say it's really much more detailed t= han just relying on the focus presentation.
Given the fact I'm using it very rare I don't have strong objection= s against your proposal I've just wanted to point out differences possi= ble enhancements It's providing on the top of casual focus reporting. Now I think guys will be able to report with more comments.

Thanks and greetingss

Peter


D=C5=88a 24. 11. = 2017 15:03 pou=C5=BE=C3=ADvate=C4=BE "Joanmarie Diggs" <jdiggs@igalia.com> nap=C3=ADsal:
Hey all.

Right now there is custom spoken presentation for Where Am I for quite a few roles. Does having a different spoken presentation provide any
benefit over re-presenting the current object as if it just got focus?

I was thinking that, as a general rule, basic Where Am I could present
the current object as if it just got focus. Thoughts?

Then there's the question of what to do with detailed Where Am I. Befor= e
I make a proposal regarding it, I'd be interested in hearing how/why you're currently using detailed Where Am I.

Thanks!
--joanie
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--001a114ba78426dc74055ec7b6b6-- From gianni.morelli2@gmail.com Sat Nov 25 07:07:16 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C7127621F for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2017 07:07:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.748 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.748 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uqGWQ1AgHMse for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2017 07:07:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f43.google.com (mail-wm0-f43.google.com [74.125.82.43]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E8FF760A8 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2017 07:07:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-f43.google.com with SMTP id b189so25565764wmd.0 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 23:07:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:date:subject:message-id :to; bh=zbvWUfL7nDZ5gFWaQRr8fNwmUkHYc9oWd1jGJpWc9PM=; b=aFXrm6anr2tfAOLeG/GiRLP61ksWXhbip1Baw+TE7ALSBPl338XMvnYN8GYMeBT/YQ /bv5uOXXXQsxb4yq3GhPsS4yh73Haidlc11oIMljy3TPSyLWvtIW8wlFEaGrd02PMoh+ xraWva7Yp5nOtQ+faPxHVnIx8oU1jmYdHRetRDGjRslxEPmr48ZQjHqD58Yexzij6Uky NG/9eyU/DgBMj4ckqO6oAnI9zDhnbBGGglF0uDimlWOAem3vDZNWqS616hRo9ueEvPbA yzkrJHqgTozrFRKhIeVwabv5DXI+vuk66trUcmvgwpf5xo+Bp6BmVi+Jy/nICjC97N2S CwCQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:date :subject:message-id:to; bh=zbvWUfL7nDZ5gFWaQRr8fNwmUkHYc9oWd1jGJpWc9PM=; b=OoGvK4/HzxeUEhpZ1O12Z7+U9SDsM2rbdGxoKjG12oNUvAu+ukuHLgb62j+N8OYMqW b7YR9Zh7knjSlVb9++7wKvyDD6l8ItHluBYOBjeWoGxtqRfUYdu1An1Ot7DVYKanyQv2 u0+ZeLyZEJspkjkuP4GKvh5oJkILF3u7rEIHcq5uBKrPNuPucfDIJslPsEL/2p7R34Ea 60FqDaEVVQ8FB9swhMMnz520HrwaXTpI1YAtUYbduh1z47PyRI+ZIAbQy1V+Gt7GWAEo ftOvsdZ2IpnuemIrN4pVfAmuYXDRv4RDSl/AuXS4DMz3SyIvWDrz0Ij8Aeo/LyWfedCH 409g== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX6v7fOwVEuKiANPKB2PSdNutvTofuaJrhWzDoaYLlDQv0xlLNJ2 FFSeEEn+LyFQX82siWGVQXyUI5px X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMbCw9u/aLU6y9IpjfD0DtqY59WQovpOXDXFYUzt+zAccaIwi+o/VZnnhlezl/Cj9zr+E1Zuvw== X-Received: by 10.80.212.34 with SMTP id t34mr39612873edh.22.1511593632255; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 23:07:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2a02:1810:951d:9d00:9532:3523:8adb:838b? (ptr-4h2lhfnm8utftffgq6j.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be. [2a02:1810:951d:9d00:9532:3523:8adb:838b]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l9sm12967617edi.31.2017.11.24.23.07.11 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 24 Nov 2017 23:07:11 -0800 (PST) From: Gianni Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5780C97E-6D4C-4383-B540-2D7C8C005AB9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2017 08:07:10 +0100 Message-Id: To: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (14G60) Subject: [orca-list] Introduction and questions X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2017 07:07:16 -0000 --Apple-Mail-5780C97E-6D4C-4383-B540-2D7C8C005AB9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, My name is Gianni. I am blind and I live in Belgium. I use a Mac with voiceover at home and a windows computer with Jaws at work.= I would like to switch to Linux. I use a a"omputer for: email, facebook, web= browsing, music, watch video, word, excel. Mac and windows are both not fully accessible and are getting slow sometimes= . And I am very interested in what a Linux can do.=20 So I would like to make the switch to Linux. My questions are: 1. Is it possible? 2. Is the accessibility ok? 3. Is it correct that Ubuntu mate is the best system for us? 4. How do I make a usb stick to reboot my Mac with Linux? 5. When I restart after I am in Linux, does my Mac react normal again after u= sing Linux? Gianni Skype: giannijuve Sent from my iPhone Gianni Skype: giannijuve Sent from my iPhone= --Apple-Mail-5780C97E-6D4C-4383-B540-2D7C8C005AB9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
My name is Gianni. I am= blind and I live in Belgium.

I use a Mac with voiceover at home and a windows computer with Jaws= at work.

I would lik= e to switch to Linux. I use a a"omputer for: email, facebook, web browsing, m= usic, watch video, word, excel.
<= span style=3D"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">
Mac and windows are both not fully accessible and are getting slo= w sometimes. And I am very interested in what a Linux can do. 
So I would like to make the switch to Linux.

My questions are:
1. Is it possible?
2. Is the accessibility o= k?
3. Is it correct that Ubuntu mate is the best sy= stem for us?
4. How do I make a usb stick to reboot= my Mac with Linux?
5. When I restart after I am in L= inux, does my Mac react normal again after using Linux?




Gianni

Skype: giannijuve
Sent from my iP= hone


Gianni

Skype: giannijuve=
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= --Apple-Mail-5780C97E-6D4C-4383-B540-2D7C8C005AB9-- From milton@duurzaamdigitaal.org Sat Nov 25 11:35:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35E0076AD5 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2017 11:35:27 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZCtAdCXTqCmz for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2017 11:35:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp8.versatel.nl (smtp8.versatel.nl [62.58.50.100]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 715AA76AB1 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2017 11:35:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 26695 invoked by uid 0); 25 Nov 2017 11:35:25 -0000 Received: from ip208-80-209-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl (HELO [192.168.1.13]) ([87.209.80.208]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp8.versatel.nl (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for < >; 25 Nov 2017 11:35:25 -0000 To: Gianni , orca-list@gnome.org References: From: Milton Message-ID: <71e0da35-09c1-78f0-1280-71de3cffd7d7@duurzaamdigitaal.org> Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2017 12:35:10 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------72F4B5F5598CBDBA688D7574" Content-Language: nl-BE Subject: Re: [orca-list] Introduction and questions X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2017 11:35:27 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------72F4B5F5598CBDBA688D7574 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gianni., For about 5 years I use Ubuntu with Orca. For e-mail I use Thunderbird and Firefox for internet. I use LibreOffice Writer for word processing and LibreOffice Calc for spreadsheets. Milton Op 25-11-17 om 08:07 schreef Gianni: > Hi, > My name is Gianni. I am blind and I live in Belgium. > > I use a Mac with voiceover at home and a windows computer with Jaws at > work. > > I would like to switch to Linux. I use a a"omputer for: email, > facebook, web browsing, music, watch video, word, excel. > > Mac and windows are both not fully accessible and are getting slow > sometimes. And I am very interested in what a Linux can do. > So I would like to make the switch to Linux. > > My questions are: > 1. Is it possible? > 2. Is the accessibility ok? > 3. Is it correct that Ubuntu mate is the best system for us? > 4. How do I make a usb stick to reboot my Mac with Linux? > 5. When I restart after I am in Linux, does my Mac react normal again > after using Linux? > > > > > Gianni > > Skype: giannijuve > Sent from my iPhone > > > Gianni > > Skype: giannijuve > Sent from my iPhone > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org --------------72F4B5F5598CBDBA688D7574 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi Gianni.,


For about 5 years I use Ubuntu with Orca.

For e-mail I use Thunderbird and Firefox for internet. I use LibreOffice Writer for word processing and LibreOffice Calc for spreadsheets.

Milton


Op 25-11-17 om 08:07 schreef Gianni:
Hi,
My name is Gianni. I am blind and I live in Belgium.

I use a Mac with voiceover at home and a windows computer with Jaws at work.

I would like to switch to Linux. I use a a"omputer for: email, facebook, web browsing, music, watch video, word, excel.

Mac and windows are both not fully accessible and are getting slow sometimes. And I am very interested in what a Linux can do. 
So I would like to make the switch to Linux.

My questions are:
1. Is it possible?
2. Is the accessibility ok?
3. Is it correct that Ubuntu mate is the best system for us?
4. How do I make a usb stick to reboot my Mac with Linux?
5. When I restart after I am in Linux, does my Mac react normal again after using Linux?
Gianni

Skype: giannijuve
Sent from my iPhone


Gianni

Skype: giannijuve
Sent from my iPhone


_______________________________________________
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https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org

--------------72F4B5F5598CBDBA688D7574-- From covici@ccs.covici.com Sun Nov 26 00:14:43 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0909776234 for ; Sun, 26 Nov 2017 00:14:43 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id clk7ifLL-cBE for ; Sun, 26 Nov 2017 00:14:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail0152.smtp25.com (mail0152.smtp25.com [75.126.84.152]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5B2C57622B for ; Sun, 26 Nov 2017 00:14:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ccs.covici.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ccs.covici.com (8.14.9/8.14.8) with ESMTP id vAQ0ESPK012526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 25 Nov 2017 19:14:28 -0500 Received: (from covici@localhost) by ccs.covici.com (8.14.9/8.13.7/Submit) id vAQ0ESxK012525; Sat, 25 Nov 2017 19:14:28 -0500 Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2017 19:14:28 -0500 Message-ID: From: John Covici To: John Covici , Alan Ghelardi , orca-list In-Reply-To: <20171122163257.GC2583@bison> References: <3cb1266d-8adc-41fd-f217-26c22ebfc8a5@gmail.com> <9d5475e6-669b-3193-1e09-4e5d7d198b5f@gmail.com> <33cb965b-143e-3922-a210-fa81097d24c0@gmail.com> <614815f6-2090-952d-3e36-cae60e9b3dbe@gmail.com> <20171122163257.GC2583@bison> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) SEMI-EPG/1.14.7 (Harue) FLIM/1.14.9 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Goj=F2?=) APEL/10.8 EasyPG/1.0.0 Emacs/25.3 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Reply-To: covici@ccs.covici.com Organization: Covici Computer Systems MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SpamH-Filter: d-out-001.smtp25.com-vAQ0ESwT005305 X-SpamH-OriginatingIP: 70.109.53.110 Subject: Re: [orca-list] slack probably inaccessible, maybe something happened in firefox 57? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2017 00:14:43 -0000 I downloaded emacs-slack from git and installed it, but el-get says there is no receipe for it -- what do I put in my receipes directory? Thanks. On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:32:57 -0500, Will Estes wrote: >=20 > No, you want to either create a directory and put emacs-slack in it (I us= e ~/share/emacs/ for that kind of thing) and add that to your load-path or = you want to use the use-package stuff as sketched in the github page. use-p= ackage is some seriously wonderous magic, and therefore worth your time to = investigage if you're not already using it. >=20 > On Wednesday, 22 November 2017, 11:28 am -0500, John Covici wrote: >=20 > > Thanks a lot -- unfortunately my packages list does not have > > emacs-slack, it just has slack which is a different package. I could > > copy the .el files to my site-lisp directory, I suppose. > >=20 > > On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:09:33 -0500, > > Alan Ghelardi wrote: > > >=20 > > > I'm sorry, maybe I wasn't clear previously. Actually, you can > > > install emacs-slack through the Emacs package manager (although > > > you can also clone the repository to a folder that you've placed > > > in the Emacs load path). I've pointed out to the Github page just > > > for documentation purposes. > > >=20 > > > In addition, if you are a more advanced Emacs user, you can > > > utilize use-package package to install emacs-slack (and other > > > packages) automatically at Emacs startup. You can have a look at > > > my Emacs settings if you preffer in order to have an idea about > > > that: https://github.com/alan-ghelardi/.emacs.d. > > >=20 > > > On 11/22/2017 11:17 AM, John Covici wrote: > > > > OK, so Icloned emacs-slack, so how do I install the thing? All I s= ee > > > > is a bunch of .el files and the readme file which says nothing about > > > > installing or how to start it. > > > >=20 > > > > On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 06:45:13 -0500, > > > > Alan Ghelardi wrote: > > > >> As far as I know no. Uploading files is very straightforward but > > > >> it seems that there is no how to download then. Generally when > > > >> someone uploads a file I press return over it and my default > > > >> browser is open in the page where I can download the > > > >> file. Perhaps this is a limitation of Slack's Web API and not of > > > >> the package itself. > > > >>=20 > > > >>=20 > > > >> On 11/22/2017 09:05 AM, John Covici wrote: > > > >>> Also, any way to download a file using this package -- I see some= thing > > > >>> to upload the file, but how about downloading? > > > >>>=20 > > > >>> On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 06:02:20 -0500, > > > >>> Alan Ghelardi wrote: > > > >>>> This package is just a client that interacts with Slack's Web API > > > >>>> via an https connection. Notice that you should create an app > > > >>>> associated to your account in order to obtain a client id, a > > > >>>> secret key and a token to authorize the connection. > > > >>>>=20 > > > >>>>=20 > > > >>>> On 11/21/2017 07:10 PM, John Covici wrote: > > > >>>>> My team requires an ssl connection, will the package you talked= about > > > >>>>> from github do that? > > > >>>>>=20 > > > >>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 15:34:40 -0500, > > > >>>>> Alan Ghelardi wrote: > > > >>>>>> Not sure if I understood your question. Please, could you elab= orate? > > > >>>>>>=20 > > > >>>>>>=20 > > > >>>>>> On 11/21/2017 06:03 PM, John Covici wrote: > > > >>>>>>> I looked at emacs-slack, but I need to connect via ssl -- wit= h this > > > >>>>>>> package do that? > > > >>>>>>>=20 > > > >>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:57:04 -0500, > > > >>>>>>> Alan Ghelardi wrote: > > > >>>>>>>> Have a look at: https://github.com/yuya373/emacs-slack. The > > > >>>>>>>> Github page has everything that you need to get started. > > > >>>>>>>>=20 > > > >>>>>>>>=20 > > > >>>>>>>> On 11/21/2017 01:46 PM, John Covici wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>> hmmm, I tried installing slack melpa package, but could not= find any > > > >>>>>>>>> documentation or any way how to use it. Is the emacs-slack= different > > > >>>>>>>>> from this one? > > > >>>>>>>>>=20 > > > >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 07:18:14 -0500, > > > >>>>>>>>> Alan Ghelardi wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>> [1 ] > > > >>>>>>>>>> [1.1 ] > > > >>>>>>>>>> [1.2 ] > > > >>>>>>>>>> Some friends are complaining about the accessibility of Fi= refox 57 on Windows systems. maybe there were accessibility regressions tha= t affected some applications on Linux as well, although I haven't tested ye= t and can't confirm this. > > > >>>>>>>>>> However the better way that I've found to use Slack on a c= omputer was through a Emacs package called emacs-slack. It provides an exce= lent access to the majority of Slack features without accessibility problem= s. > > > >>>>>>>>>>=20 > > > >>>>>>>>>> Obviously if you aren't an Emacs user there is no sense on= using it just for getting access to Slack, but if you are, I strongly reco= mmend having a look at it. My company uses Slack heavily and this package h= as saved my life since I was > > > >>>>>>>>>> having lots of problems to interact with Slack with Firefo= x. By the way, the iPhone app also works relatively well. > > > >>>>>>>>>>=20 > > > >>>>>>>>>> On 11/21/2017 09:24 AM, Micha=B3 Zegan wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>=20 > > > >>>>>>>>>> Hello. > > > >>>>>>>>>>=20 > > > >>>>>>>>>> Slack seems to be inaccessible on new firefox, before it w= as far better. > > > >>>>>>>>>> You need access to any kind of slack channel. > > > >>>>>>>>>> When you join it, your focus goes to the message field, wh= en you switch > > > >>>>>>>>>> to browse mode you should be able to navigate around, and = previously it > > > >>>>>>>>>> was possible, but not it reacts... weird, and actually doe= sn't really work. > > > >>>>>>>>>>=20 > > > >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list > > > >>>>>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org > > > >>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > >>>>>>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > > >>>>>>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stab= le/ > > > >>>>>>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users= /gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > > >>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > > >>>>>>>>>>=20 > > > >>>>>>>>>> [2 ] > > > >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list > > > >>>>>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org > > > >>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > >>>>>>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > > >>>>>>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stab= le/ > > > >>>>>>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users= /gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > > >>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > >=20 > >=20 > > --=20 > > Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: > > How do > > you spend it? > >=20 > > John Covici > > covici@ccs.covici.com > > _______________________________________________ > > orca-list mailing list > > orca-list@gnome.org > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/s= table/a11y.html > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >=20 > --=20 > Will Estes > westes575@gmail.com --=20 Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? 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Accessible coconut is a Gnu/Linux based operating system customized to meet the challenges caused by impaired vision. Latest Version can be downloaded from : www.cocofrix.com Special features of this distribution.. 1 All the libraries in the world are accessible before the visually challenged. Linux intelligent OCR solution. Lios is a tool developed by our team which can help a person to read printed materials in almost all the prominent languages of the world including Indian languages like Hindi, Malayalam, Tamil, etc. Lios has all the facilities required for a standard OCR tool such as pdf conversion, image conversion, acquire image from scanner, screenshot ocr, go to page, go to line, page settings, Audio Converter, Text Cleaner, and like. Lios has a low vision environment with facility to change Text Color, Background Color, Font, and facility to Read with Highlight. Lios use Tesseract 4.0 and Cuneiform as OCR Engines. 2 IBus-Sharada-Braille : - a system wide input method for producing text. One can use six key approach for Brailler mode, for producing text in different languages. Letter f, d, s, j, k, l represent the six dots of 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, of braille and we can use different combinations for different letters. All the contractions and Abbreviations in English are included in the tool as default. And again, one can create any number of contractions and abbreviations of one=E2=80=99s own choice in any language. We have provided= a language editor for adding languages, abbreviation editor, and a preference to select any key to represent the braille dots. We have also provided seven and eight keys to support languages like Japanese, and Chinese. One hand mode. We have added a feature which helps a person with one hand to use IBus-Sharada-Braille. 3 Tuxtype : - Tuxtype is a sophisticated program, to practice typing in different languages, and it is written in C and powered by SDL. We have made it accessible and one can learn typing in a game like way. We have also added a six key component in it and it is available as tuxtype braille. 4 Tuxmaths : - Tuxmaths is a game for practicing basic mathematical skills. Lan Multiplayer is also possible and accessible. 5 Chess accessibility : - We have made Xboard accessible. Xboard an application for playing chess using different chess engines. 6 Accessible Musical Instrument : - We have provided latest version of Linux MultiMedia Studio(LMMS) which is accessible. LMMS is an ingenious music producer and editor. We have also provided a menu item named Instruments inside sound and video menu to play Instruments via LMMS. 7 Office suit : - A visually challenged person can use more accessible open office spreadsheet, And Libreoffice Writer for Document purposes. 8 Fixes for ORCA Screen Reader : - We have made small changes in orca. One of which allow smooth continuous reading which can be enabled by selecting "Sentence(Using Full stop)" in Say-All-By Option. Another change is we have removed call to window.clearCache() which quit orca while closing or switch between applications. This can be reverted using the menu item inside Universal Access Menu. 9 Artha - English offline Dictionary, Select the word and press Alt+Ctrl+W in order to get the meaning. 10 SMPlayer : - Play audio's and Video's in any speed. 11 Sharada-Braille-Writer : - Simple text editor for typing in six key Braille mode. 12 Chrome With Speech : - Accessible Chrome Web Browser. 13 Hydrogen : - Play Drums. 14 Audacity : - Sound recording and editing. 15 Curlew : - Easy to use accessible multimedia converter. 16 Daisy-Player : - Play daisy audio formats. 17 eBook-Speaker : - Read ebook aloud. 19 CPU-G : - View your system configuration, Kernel Version, etc. 20 Format-USB : - format USB pendrive or external hard-drive. 21 VCD-Imager : - Extract video from VCD/DVD. 22 Pidgin : - Universal chat client. 23 Calibre : - Manage E-book collections as well as to create, edit, and read e-books. 24 Audacious : - Audio Player. 25 blueman : - BlueTooth manager. 26 Periodic-Table : - Accessible Periodic Table. 27 Grub-Customizer : - Change boot entries of operating systems. 28 Gparted : - Accessible partitioner for your storage devices. 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([2607:fb90:a77c:c881:48f9:757b:b338:6336]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e7sm23561282pfj.44.2017.11.27.22.42.50 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 27 Nov 2017 22:42:50 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Victor Lawrence X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (15B202) In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 22:42:49 -0800 Cc: orca-list , kfbyouth@googlegroups.com, ai Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5A4CDE47-517A-4F45-A564-CB2A454260CC@gmail.com> References: To: Sath Linux Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessible-Coconut version 16.04.22 Released X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 06:42:55 -0000 Hello! This sounds very promising! I will have to test it. Victor Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 27, 2017, at 9:38 PM, Sath Linux wrote: >=20 > Dear friends, > We cocofrix team are very happy to announce the release of > Accessible-Coconut 16.04.22. > Accessible coconut is a Gnu/Linux based operating system customized to > meet the challenges > caused by impaired vision. >=20 > Latest Version can be downloaded from : www.cocofrix.com >=20 > Special features of this distribution.. >=20 > 1 All the libraries in the world are accessible before the visually > challenged. Linux intelligent OCR solution. Lios is a tool > developed by our team which can help a person to read printed > materials in almost all the prominent languages of the world including > Indian languages like Hindi, Malayalam, Tamil, etc. Lios has all the > facilities required for a standard OCR tool such as pdf conversion, > image conversion, acquire image from scanner, screenshot ocr, go to page, > go to line, page settings, Audio Converter, Text Cleaner, and like. > Lios has a low vision environment with facility to change Text Color, > Background Color, Font, and facility to Read with Highlight. > Lios use Tesseract 4.0 and Cuneiform as OCR Engines. >=20 > 2 IBus-Sharada-Braille : - a system wide input method for producing text. > One can use six key approach for Brailler mode, for producing text in > different languages. Letter f, d, s, j, k, l represent the six dots > of 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, of braille and we can use different combinations > for different letters. > All the contractions and Abbreviations in English are included in the tool= > as default. And again, one can create any number of contractions and > abbreviations of one=E2=80=99s own choice in any language. We have provide= d a > language editor for adding languages, abbreviation editor, > and a preference to select any key to represent the braille dots. > We have also provided seven and eight keys to support languages like > Japanese, and Chinese. > One hand mode. We have added a feature which helps a person with one > hand to use IBus-Sharada-Braille. >=20 >=20 > 3 Tuxtype : - Tuxtype is a sophisticated program, to practice typing > in different > languages, and it is written in C and powered by SDL. We have made it > accessible and > one can learn typing in a game like way. We have also added a six key > component in it and it is available as > tuxtype braille. >=20 >=20 > 4 Tuxmaths : - Tuxmaths is a game for practicing basic mathematical > skills. Lan Multiplayer is also possible and accessible. >=20 > 5 Chess accessibility : - We have made Xboard accessible. Xboard an > application for playing chess > using different chess engines. >=20 > 6 Accessible Musical Instrument : - We have provided latest version of > Linux MultiMedia Studio(LMMS) which is accessible. LMMS is an > ingenious music producer and editor. > We have also provided a menu item named Instruments inside sound and > video menu to play Instruments via LMMS. >=20 > 7 Office suit : - A visually challenged person can use more accessible > open office spreadsheet, > And Libreoffice Writer for Document purposes. >=20 > 8 Fixes for ORCA Screen Reader : - We have made small changes in orca. > One of which allow smooth continuous reading > which can be enabled by selecting "Sentence(Using Full stop)" in > Say-All-By Option. Another change is we have removed > call to window.clearCache() which quit orca while closing or switch > between applications. This can be reverted using the > menu item inside Universal Access Menu. >=20 > 9 Artha - English offline Dictionary, Select the word and press > Alt+Ctrl+W in order to get the meaning. >=20 > 10 SMPlayer : - Play audio's and Video's in any speed. >=20 > 11 Sharada-Braille-Writer : - Simple text editor for typing in six key > Braille mode. >=20 > 12 Chrome With Speech : - Accessible Chrome Web Browser. >=20 > 13 Hydrogen : - Play Drums. >=20 > 14 Audacity : - Sound recording and editing. >=20 > 15 Curlew : - Easy to use accessible multimedia converter. >=20 > 16 Daisy-Player : - Play daisy audio formats. >=20 > 17 eBook-Speaker : - Read ebook aloud. >=20 > 19 CPU-G : - View your system configuration, Kernel Version, etc. >=20 > 20 Format-USB : - format USB pendrive or external hard-drive. >=20 > 21 VCD-Imager : - Extract video from VCD/DVD. >=20 > 22 Pidgin : - Universal chat client. >=20 > 23 Calibre : - Manage E-book collections as well as to create, edit, > and read e-books. >=20 > 24 Audacious : - Audio Player. >=20 > 25 blueman : - BlueTooth manager. >=20 > 26 Periodic-Table : - Accessible Periodic Table. >=20 > 27 Grub-Customizer : - Change boot entries of operating systems. >=20 > 28 Gparted : - Accessible partitioner for your storage devices. >=20 > Thanking you cocofrix team. >=20 >=20 > --=20 > FREE SOFTWARE FREE SOCIETY * > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stab= le/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From jdiggs@igalia.com Tue Nov 28 11:21:28 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65B86761ED for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 11:21:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.011 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.011 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ehsG40q8Gitz for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 11:21:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [91.117.99.155]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D1C54760B8 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 11:21:26 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:Cc:From:References:To:Subject; bh=j9ktQoj6Ga2qOVFAaMjDNtYtCQBQYKh+epXaFuXoM6k=; b=Gwm9myxG/iffgi2Rbeg61crpcyvbvAUER8UEV387SjOenz3svSJPAySce1uSuYOSaIx1n0VpF60pailgJVtM/g8iX8zdOZIw0A0ZlkGujeallsn8p3D3mpndlWaLul9xnpgPNVoJD2sLl5HR+ml1frf2ylJd/lyymYD/sbUDMQyAb86wac1V7oTnrylgia6E99snIZl3mlIQJY0NJRcf+jBWXW+bZPEAgoF6Nwd4wq193GXV2UZmNaisDgx9ZzXO3NdSKy/DjcDY1nckHW3n3MCxD+KtfJJikFWDXwpDpw4JdhtRoWXItpQ3nmF3PVubp70KThdObdssN42P6fgacg==; Received: from c-24-91-94-186.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([24.91.94.186] helo=[192.168.35.111]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim) id 1eJdx2-0006uT-NL; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 12:21:21 +0100 To: Sath Linux References: From: Joanmarie Diggs Cc: orca-list , kfbyouth@googlegroups.com, ai Message-ID: <5be540d2-e785-1c68-d090-2d47382df4f5@igalia.com> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 06:21:08 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessible-Coconut version 16.04.22 Released X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 11:21:28 -0000 Hi Sath. Regarding this: On 11/28/2017 12:38 AM, Sath Linux wrote: > Another change is we have removed > call to window.clearCache() which quit orca while closing or switch > between applications. This can be reverted using the > menu item inside Universal Access Menu. What version of AT-SPI2 are you using? The crash in question is an AT-SPI2 crash. And we're under the impression that it was already fixed in AT-SPI2 3.20. If that's not the case, then adding information to the AT-SPI2 bug would be helpful -- and fixing it properly in AT-SPI2 a much better solution than what you describe above. FWIW. https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=767075 --joanie From ddf051.wolf@googlemail.com Tue Nov 28 12:34:01 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B186760B8 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 12:34:01 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sqa2A647_D4E for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 12:34:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f44.google.com (mail-wm0-f44.google.com [74.125.82.44]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC381761ED for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 12:33:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-f44.google.com with SMTP id x63so1512409wmf.2 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 04:33:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:disposition-notification-to :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=yCaSe6yIo+jwiERye6o1hor3k/a/68uWKB2eWTuOKzA=; b=lCjp5fsx2l16rSSQE6gFJlF8nKZFW4w7bR6k5d847SNEtN46iIZ0M4MpKuo0fziFP1 YsYQTqc5oUczE5NWgNsHCg/gBy6FN+JNM4TIQrQZMYmuMAIYDfFXbijmfHuARErjSJFx x9E198PIm7i1rSPwAAYpD8yec0ltJ0QDRMDMpmzov61APPyhyMPm51dlJuAn4vSvKNvm xb2jKMPlKjpjLbPTjDgGFaVojeSxoxAAXk/m09BJy/7hSV7pUM++vsC/V8EuuGB8Zgxl K1IKqgM4ZFj8KEGzQBZ+aZxACkjscGn/pcDMrppZ3MsoECMvBfEmGxM8kvGopIgkVuy3 5bYw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id :disposition-notification-to:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=yCaSe6yIo+jwiERye6o1hor3k/a/68uWKB2eWTuOKzA=; b=hBsO2RUvEZpj/z9pT0H2t5jHnrWS1hhQOq1b7HMJ+ErfjOczBIt7Dq1Yg1m71lvbaM PURHplv3A79uwueAcMyM5DC1s3+3/l+DUeK2KP11LSzDDDRcnqJgQSRrT3oDZjlPCSYX het5Nri5HR6FU0R+6/9oweRUlItAaSe2XJuTl+TD/K3kO9lQ1EEJ0tFaYN/q1dPyhk/V TPB4gGLVrnLom5oxr1vojqZwf1ZTJL7chxpgJvPeR5XoD2esUkCwA/PiAH3ydee3uXIr bleQHYbwy/DJPaHOb5jBygWpYxceB9VVESclLf2aiGQ5qEbRGOEmTXSuUs0rN3UrbVxP J5xQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX7qCeXOrRsAqRBM0QkBsF7zGRdPO6Ku88LhAFO95k8VxxDktfic r2f22IzXhddh48YDqMkMo9INKVvs X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMZiAAgouvqXhgGIxUIFmpwSuDTkFrkzad3QFygLNgKAlOjiIYkTJLzoCp8Dx81/fHIxcYrq1A== X-Received: by 10.80.230.3 with SMTP id y3mr2477514edm.211.1511872435855; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 04:33:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.178.40] (x4e37b6b1.dyn.telefonica.de. [78.55.182.177]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m31sm20838792ede.27.2017.11.28.04.33.54 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 28 Nov 2017 04:33:54 -0800 (PST) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: From: Werwoelfchen Message-ID: <1656bc44-2d2e-c243-6edc-d33f5c726b06@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 13:33:54 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: de-DE Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessible-Coconut version 16.04.22 Released X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 12:34:01 -0000 Hi, is there also a Daisy creation tool for Linux like RTFC for Windows? Greetings, Wolfram Am 28.11.2017 um 06:38 schrieb Sath Linux: > Dear friends, > We cocofrix team are very happy to announce the release of > Accessible-Coconut 16.04.22. > Accessible coconut is a Gnu/Linux based operating system customized to > meet the challenges > caused by impaired vision. > > Latest Version can be downloaded from : www.cocofrix.com > > Special features of this distribution.. > > 1 All the libraries in the world are accessible before the visually > challenged. Linux intelligent OCR solution. Lios is a tool > developed by our team which can help a person to read printed > materials in almost all the prominent languages of the world including > Indian languages like Hindi, Malayalam, Tamil, etc. Lios has all the > facilities required for a standard OCR tool such as pdf conversion, > image conversion, acquire image from scanner, screenshot ocr, go to page, > go to line, page settings, Audio Converter, Text Cleaner, and like. > Lios has a low vision environment with facility to change Text Color, > Background Color, Font, and facility to Read with Highlight. > Lios use Tesseract 4.0 and Cuneiform as OCR Engines. > > 2 IBus-Sharada-Braille : - a system wide input method for producing text. > One can use six key approach for Brailler mode, for producing text in > different languages. Letter f, d, s, j, k, l represent the six dots > of 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, of braille and we can use different combinations > for different letters. > All the contractions and Abbreviations in English are included in the tool > as default. And again, one can create any number of contractions and > abbreviations of one’s own choice in any language. We have provided a > language editor for adding languages, abbreviation editor, > and a preference to select any key to represent the braille dots. > We have also provided seven and eight keys to support languages like > Japanese, and Chinese. > One hand mode. We have added a feature which helps a person with one > hand to use IBus-Sharada-Braille. > > > 3 Tuxtype : - Tuxtype is a sophisticated program, to practice typing > in different > languages, and it is written in C and powered by SDL. We have made it > accessible and > one can learn typing in a game like way. We have also added a six key > component in it and it is available as > tuxtype braille. > > > 4 Tuxmaths : - Tuxmaths is a game for practicing basic mathematical > skills. Lan Multiplayer is also possible and accessible. > > 5 Chess accessibility : - We have made Xboard accessible. Xboard an > application for playing chess > using different chess engines. > > 6 Accessible Musical Instrument : - We have provided latest version of > Linux MultiMedia Studio(LMMS) which is accessible. LMMS is an > ingenious music producer and editor. > We have also provided a menu item named Instruments inside sound and > video menu to play Instruments via LMMS. > > 7 Office suit : - A visually challenged person can use more accessible > open office spreadsheet, > And Libreoffice Writer for Document purposes. > > 8 Fixes for ORCA Screen Reader : - We have made small changes in orca. > One of which allow smooth continuous reading > which can be enabled by selecting "Sentence(Using Full stop)" in > Say-All-By Option. Another change is we have removed > call to window.clearCache() which quit orca while closing or switch > between applications. This can be reverted using the > menu item inside Universal Access Menu. > > 9 Artha - English offline Dictionary, Select the word and press > Alt+Ctrl+W in order to get the meaning. > > 10 SMPlayer : - Play audio's and Video's in any speed. > > 11 Sharada-Braille-Writer : - Simple text editor for typing in six key > Braille mode. > > 12 Chrome With Speech : - Accessible Chrome Web Browser. > > 13 Hydrogen : - Play Drums. > > 14 Audacity : - Sound recording and editing. > > 15 Curlew : - Easy to use accessible multimedia converter. > > 16 Daisy-Player : - Play daisy audio formats. > > 17 eBook-Speaker : - Read ebook aloud. > > 19 CPU-G : - View your system configuration, Kernel Version, etc. > > 20 Format-USB : - format USB pendrive or external hard-drive. > > 21 VCD-Imager : - Extract video from VCD/DVD. > > 22 Pidgin : - Universal chat client. > > 23 Calibre : - Manage E-book collections as well as to create, edit, > and read e-books. > > 24 Audacious : - Audio Player. > > 25 blueman : - BlueTooth manager. > > 26 Periodic-Table : - Accessible Periodic Table. > > 27 Grub-Customizer : - Change boot entries of operating systems. > > 28 Gparted : - Accessible partitioner for your storage devices. > > Thanking you cocofrix team. > > From jdashiel@panix.com Tue Nov 28 21:07:52 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8636A763D8 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 21:07:52 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.711 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.711 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, URIBL_DBL_SPAM=2.5] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3doVoMoG3_Zp for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 21:07:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 60ECE7632C for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 21:07:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from panix1.panix.com (panix1.panix.com [166.84.1.1]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB95F11AEF; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 16:07:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by panix1.panix.com (Postfix, from userid 20712) id CEA8614B9D; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 16:07:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by panix1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9CBF14B98; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 16:07:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 16:07:48 -0500 From: Jude DaShiell To: Sath Linux , orca-list , kfbyouth@googlegroups.com, ai In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessible-Coconut version 16.04.22 Released X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 21:07:54 -0000 I installed it and think networkmanager got updated recently upstream. This is unfortunate since now my rtl8187B wifi adapter can no longer connect to the internet. The connection is found; the correct password is entered but no activation is possible. On Tue, 28 Nov 2017, Sath Linux wrote: > Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 00:38:46 > From: Sath Linux > To: orca-list , kfbyouth@googlegroups.com, > ai > Subject: [orca-list] Accessible-Coconut version 16.04.22 Released > > Dear friends, > We cocofrix team are very happy to announce the release of > Accessible-Coconut 16.04.22. > Accessible coconut is a Gnu/Linux based operating system customized to > meet the challenges > caused by impaired vision. > > Latest Version can be downloaded from : www.cocofrix.com > > Special features of this distribution.. > > 1 All the libraries in the world are accessible before the visually > challenged. Linux intelligent OCR solution. Lios is a tool > developed by our team which can help a person to read printed > materials in almost all the prominent languages of the world including > Indian languages like Hindi, Malayalam, Tamil, etc. Lios has all the > facilities required for a standard OCR tool such as pdf conversion, > image conversion, acquire image from scanner, screenshot ocr, go to page, > go to line, page settings, Audio Converter, Text Cleaner, and like. > Lios has a low vision environment with facility to change Text Color, > Background Color, Font, and facility to Read with Highlight. > Lios use Tesseract 4.0 and Cuneiform as OCR Engines. > > 2 IBus-Sharada-Braille : - a system wide input method for producing text. > One can use six key approach for Brailler mode, for producing text in > different languages. Letter f, d, s, j, k, l represent the six dots > of 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, of braille and we can use different combinations > for different letters. > All the contractions and Abbreviations in English are included in the tool > as default. And again, one can create any number of contractions and > abbreviations of one?s own choice in any language. We have provided a > language editor for adding languages, abbreviation editor, > and a preference to select any key to represent the braille dots. > We have also provided seven and eight keys to support languages like > Japanese, and Chinese. > One hand mode. We have added a feature which helps a person with one > hand to use IBus-Sharada-Braille. > > > 3 Tuxtype : - Tuxtype is a sophisticated program, to practice typing > in different > languages, and it is written in C and powered by SDL. We have made it > accessible and > one can learn typing in a game like way. We have also added a six key > component in it and it is available as > tuxtype braille. > > > 4 Tuxmaths : - Tuxmaths is a game for practicing basic mathematical > skills. Lan Multiplayer is also possible and accessible. > > 5 Chess accessibility : - We have made Xboard accessible. Xboard an > application for playing chess > using different chess engines. > > 6 Accessible Musical Instrument : - We have provided latest version of > Linux MultiMedia Studio(LMMS) which is accessible. LMMS is an > ingenious music producer and editor. > We have also provided a menu item named Instruments inside sound and > video menu to play Instruments via LMMS. > > 7 Office suit : - A visually challenged person can use more accessible > open office spreadsheet, > And Libreoffice Writer for Document purposes. > > 8 Fixes for ORCA Screen Reader : - We have made small changes in orca. > One of which allow smooth continuous reading > which can be enabled by selecting "Sentence(Using Full stop)" in > Say-All-By Option. Another change is we have removed > call to window.clearCache() which quit orca while closing or switch > between applications. This can be reverted using the > menu item inside Universal Access Menu. > > 9 Artha - English offline Dictionary, Select the word and press > Alt+Ctrl+W in order to get the meaning. > > 10 SMPlayer : - Play audio's and Video's in any speed. > > 11 Sharada-Braille-Writer : - Simple text editor for typing in six key > Braille mode. > > 12 Chrome With Speech : - Accessible Chrome Web Browser. > > 13 Hydrogen : - Play Drums. > > 14 Audacity : - Sound recording and editing. > > 15 Curlew : - Easy to use accessible multimedia converter. > > 16 Daisy-Player : - Play daisy audio formats. > > 17 eBook-Speaker : - Read ebook aloud. > > 19 CPU-G : - View your system configuration, Kernel Version, etc. > > 20 Format-USB : - format USB pendrive or external hard-drive. > > 21 VCD-Imager : - Extract video from VCD/DVD. > > 22 Pidgin : - Universal chat client. > > 23 Calibre : - Manage E-book collections as well as to create, edit, > and read e-books. > > 24 Audacious : - Audio Player. > > 25 blueman : - BlueTooth manager. > > 26 Periodic-Table : - Accessible Periodic Table. > > 27 Grub-Customizer : - Change boot entries of operating systems. > > 28 Gparted : - Accessible partitioner for your storage devices. > > Thanking you cocofrix team. > > > -- > FREE SOFTWARE FREE SOCIETY * > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org -- From jdashiel@panix.com Tue Nov 28 21:10:49 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7FA076490 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 21:10:49 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.711 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.711 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, URIBL_DBL_SPAM=2.5] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UaOJLE9t4sB5 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 21:10:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E37FA7632C for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 21:10:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from panix1.panix.com (panix1.panix.com [166.84.1.1]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E29611EF2; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 16:10:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by panix1.panix.com (Postfix, from userid 20712) id A049B14B9D; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 16:10:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by panix1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F07C14B98; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 16:10:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 16:10:46 -0500 From: Jude DaShiell To: Sath Linux , orca-list , kfbyouth@googlegroups.com, ai In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessible-Coconut version 16.04.22 Released X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 21:10:50 -0000 For any interested I used nmtui in terminal mode to try to get the wifi connection up. I'll check for wicd and see if that's available but have never used that before. No linux distro should ever go out with only a single package on it for internet connections so people have a chance to try something else that may work. On Tue, 28 Nov 2017, Sath Linux wrote: > Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 00:38:46 > From: Sath Linux > To: orca-list , kfbyouth@googlegroups.com, > ai > Subject: [orca-list] Accessible-Coconut version 16.04.22 Released > > Dear friends, > We cocofrix team are very happy to announce the release of > Accessible-Coconut 16.04.22. > Accessible coconut is a Gnu/Linux based operating system customized to > meet the challenges > caused by impaired vision. > > Latest Version can be downloaded from : www.cocofrix.com > > Special features of this distribution.. > > 1 All the libraries in the world are accessible before the visually > challenged. Linux intelligent OCR solution. Lios is a tool > developed by our team which can help a person to read printed > materials in almost all the prominent languages of the world including > Indian languages like Hindi, Malayalam, Tamil, etc. Lios has all the > facilities required for a standard OCR tool such as pdf conversion, > image conversion, acquire image from scanner, screenshot ocr, go to page, > go to line, page settings, Audio Converter, Text Cleaner, and like. > Lios has a low vision environment with facility to change Text Color, > Background Color, Font, and facility to Read with Highlight. > Lios use Tesseract 4.0 and Cuneiform as OCR Engines. > > 2 IBus-Sharada-Braille : - a system wide input method for producing text. > One can use six key approach for Brailler mode, for producing text in > different languages. Letter f, d, s, j, k, l represent the six dots > of 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, of braille and we can use different combinations > for different letters. > All the contractions and Abbreviations in English are included in the tool > as default. And again, one can create any number of contractions and > abbreviations of one?s own choice in any language. We have provided a > language editor for adding languages, abbreviation editor, > and a preference to select any key to represent the braille dots. > We have also provided seven and eight keys to support languages like > Japanese, and Chinese. > One hand mode. We have added a feature which helps a person with one > hand to use IBus-Sharada-Braille. > > > 3 Tuxtype : - Tuxtype is a sophisticated program, to practice typing > in different > languages, and it is written in C and powered by SDL. We have made it > accessible and > one can learn typing in a game like way. We have also added a six key > component in it and it is available as > tuxtype braille. > > > 4 Tuxmaths : - Tuxmaths is a game for practicing basic mathematical > skills. Lan Multiplayer is also possible and accessible. > > 5 Chess accessibility : - We have made Xboard accessible. Xboard an > application for playing chess > using different chess engines. > > 6 Accessible Musical Instrument : - We have provided latest version of > Linux MultiMedia Studio(LMMS) which is accessible. LMMS is an > ingenious music producer and editor. > We have also provided a menu item named Instruments inside sound and > video menu to play Instruments via LMMS. > > 7 Office suit : - A visually challenged person can use more accessible > open office spreadsheet, > And Libreoffice Writer for Document purposes. > > 8 Fixes for ORCA Screen Reader : - We have made small changes in orca. > One of which allow smooth continuous reading > which can be enabled by selecting "Sentence(Using Full stop)" in > Say-All-By Option. Another change is we have removed > call to window.clearCache() which quit orca while closing or switch > between applications. This can be reverted using the > menu item inside Universal Access Menu. > > 9 Artha - English offline Dictionary, Select the word and press > Alt+Ctrl+W in order to get the meaning. > > 10 SMPlayer : - Play audio's and Video's in any speed. > > 11 Sharada-Braille-Writer : - Simple text editor for typing in six key > Braille mode. > > 12 Chrome With Speech : - Accessible Chrome Web Browser. > > 13 Hydrogen : - Play Drums. > > 14 Audacity : - Sound recording and editing. > > 15 Curlew : - Easy to use accessible multimedia converter. > > 16 Daisy-Player : - Play daisy audio formats. > > 17 eBook-Speaker : - Read ebook aloud. > > 19 CPU-G : - View your system configuration, Kernel Version, etc. > > 20 Format-USB : - format USB pendrive or external hard-drive. > > 21 VCD-Imager : - Extract video from VCD/DVD. > > 22 Pidgin : - Universal chat client. > > 23 Calibre : - Manage E-book collections as well as to create, edit, > and read e-books. > > 24 Audacious : - Audio Player. > > 25 blueman : - BlueTooth manager. > > 26 Periodic-Table : - Accessible Periodic Table. > > 27 Grub-Customizer : - Change boot entries of operating systems. > > 28 Gparted : - Accessible partitioner for your storage devices. > > Thanking you cocofrix team. > > > -- > FREE SOFTWARE FREE SOCIETY * > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org -- From dahunt@posteo.de Tue Nov 28 21:47:31 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99CC27632C for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 21:47:31 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.311 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.311 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TbqV37ItqPV6 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 21:47:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout01.posteo.de (mout01.posteo.de [185.67.36.65]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C17776217 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 21:47:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F62E21168 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 22:47:26 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.de; s=2017; t=1511905646; bh=wngQG0ug4Z/h54YELUu/a1IQK6MWIa8xQIa/BL8BS/A=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:From; b=Vyubs3ldhGyojr0LD0125BuypLTFpVycQfYMKMJL3EjG+feryTkY/OhrV8W56jjdC 5A9IHfzPFJcyIOPs8s9rIvzHH2p6m1N+6kH1m30UHUGYbNdovegzbydzPMJL9e/pVF E1mkN6e2TB1e0LFefwWSJHdB/q89c4REc1nAyuA+IbKeM0C+SX42Lxg2yDK9GjrdMU OvCDl8SXGrbTbE4HYxR1UQn2DsD3uJb5os1i4yoRU/8eqjET4BFLvXJDL2InFA7zXc mBpUOFND9zAjUYCTbqL96sFPTM87sQ4rSTedediSGaBRi1+mvh+yvb8PT+Q2QE7BDb H50blEQ0cQesQ== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3ymchY2gs3z9rxd for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 22:47:24 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: From: David Hunt Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 16:47:23 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessible-Coconut version 16.04.22 Released X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 21:47:31 -0000 That is unfortunate!  I played with the live system and found that my Intel wifi thing was found, and that my connection was usable much sooner than would be the case in vanilla GNOME. YMMV, Dave On 11/28/2017 04:07 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote: > I installed it and think networkmanager got updated recently upstream. > This is unfortunate since now my rtl8187B wifi adapter can no longer > connect to the internet.  The connection is found; the correct > password is entered but no activation is possible. From dahunt@posteo.de Tue Nov 28 22:00:22 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F02D76357 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 22:00:22 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.311 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.311 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lRHOyV2ujwIa for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 22:00:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout01.posteo.de (mout01.posteo.de [185.67.36.65]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5794A76217 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 22:00:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B02012100C for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 23:00:16 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.de; s=2017; t=1511906416; bh=MGgy53lRcFnOaFWQQL9p/eU0oAP8asZ/0XdwIsq37Oo=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:From; b=PsfgKcKMoNasJgBoT/XMwYeIWKXRqW3lI55ROXTcBglKfA5mSNzyuEfrVx+GPOt89 bCba2EDrE5c7AGMCNuqCCWn37dw6FXYxOwvEVjV2H+2Petc6DzJhscZCeSh9NcyDW3 mhKzlIObCfM3OZ+lK8gw1/8DRdipLJTIP2bx222/v4Re49Hd/QvbG+35uqhShGkWBm tZw40vpGpSWLkd2Kgw/upG8EiACat6IvtXc4wLLBJlG+aF4pcoC0ERVc6TVhE2EwJh tybH+L82w+EiBs/QPtWQo7lEgbZtwg++hFK/HaCNx+SbyPVl9O6U9iz820UM69cl2O yaJUmSz4IRBZw== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3ymczM5xxtz9rxH for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 23:00:15 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: From: David Hunt Message-ID: <160bf25b-b128-452f-bec7-990d3194c4fe@posteo.de> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 17:00:13 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessible-Coconut version 16.04.22 Released X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 22:00:22 -0000 For the most part, the included apps and keyboard shortcuts are similar to ones I'd end up with, after installing and setting up a new distro to my liking, though I wouldn't use so many media players or wine.  Thanks for making me aware of the book reading and authoring tools, as well as those for scanning and working with ocr; no other distro I know includes these, and they can be hard to fine.  I like the ability to easily toggle the screen off and to check battery. Also, thanks for making convenient shortcuts for changing orca's settings on the fly.I don't understand, however, why you decided to set up an automatically logged-in user and hostname? I can make users and change some of this setup afterword, but it just seems funny, as if the computer is to have only one user, but it's not really in single-user mode.  On first pass through the installation instructions, If looks like, if I were to follow them to the letter, I'd end up breaking my machine's UEFI setup.  I haven't yet installed it, but booted the live medium.  Your quickstart text files on the live system's desktop are good; do they appear on the installed system? Finally, what desktop does this system have?  I see the new GNOME applets but Mate-style desktop layout, and the old Indicator applet, such as in Trisquel 7.  Did you guys 'roll your own', taking elements from several? Cheers, Dave  H. On 11/28/2017 12:38 AM, Sath Linux wrote: > Dear friends, > We cocofrix team are very happy to announce the release of > Accessible-Coconut 16.04.22. > Accessible coconut is a Gnu/Linux based operating system customized to > meet the challenges > caused by impaired vision. > > Latest Version can be downloaded from : www.cocofrix.com > > Special features of this distribution.. > > 1 All the libraries in the world are accessible before the visually > challenged. Linux intelligent OCR solution. Lios is a tool > developed by our team which can help a person to read printed > materials in almost all the prominent languages of the world including > Indian languages like Hindi, Malayalam, Tamil, etc. Lios has all the > facilities required for a standard OCR tool such as pdf conversion, > image conversion, acquire image from scanner, screenshot ocr, go to page, > go to line, page settings, Audio Converter, Text Cleaner, and like. > Lios has a low vision environment with facility to change Text Color, > Background Color, Font, and facility to Read with Highlight. > Lios use Tesseract 4.0 and Cuneiform as OCR Engines. > > 2 IBus-Sharada-Braille : - a system wide input method for producing text. > One can use six key approach for Brailler mode, for producing text in > different languages. Letter f, d, s, j, k, l represent the six dots > of 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, of braille and we can use different combinations > for different letters. > All the contractions and Abbreviations in English are included in the tool > as default. And again, one can create any number of contractions and > abbreviations of one’s own choice in any language. We have provided a > language editor for adding languages, abbreviation editor, > and a preference to select any key to represent the braille dots. > We have also provided seven and eight keys to support languages like > Japanese, and Chinese. > One hand mode. We have added a feature which helps a person with one > hand to use IBus-Sharada-Braille. > > > 3 Tuxtype : - Tuxtype is a sophisticated program, to practice typing > in different > languages, and it is written in C and powered by SDL. We have made it > accessible and > one can learn typing in a game like way. We have also added a six key > component in it and it is available as > tuxtype braille. > > > 4 Tuxmaths : - Tuxmaths is a game for practicing basic mathematical > skills. Lan Multiplayer is also possible and accessible. > > 5 Chess accessibility : - We have made Xboard accessible. Xboard an > application for playing chess > using different chess engines. > > 6 Accessible Musical Instrument : - We have provided latest version of > Linux MultiMedia Studio(LMMS) which is accessible. LMMS is an > ingenious music producer and editor. > We have also provided a menu item named Instruments inside sound and > video menu to play Instruments via LMMS. > > 7 Office suit : - A visually challenged person can use more accessible > open office spreadsheet, > And Libreoffice Writer for Document purposes. > > 8 Fixes for ORCA Screen Reader : - We have made small changes in orca. > One of which allow smooth continuous reading > which can be enabled by selecting "Sentence(Using Full stop)" in > Say-All-By Option. Another change is we have removed > call to window.clearCache() which quit orca while closing or switch > between applications. This can be reverted using the > menu item inside Universal Access Menu. > > 9 Artha - English offline Dictionary, Select the word and press > Alt+Ctrl+W in order to get the meaning. > > 10 SMPlayer : - Play audio's and Video's in any speed. > > 11 Sharada-Braille-Writer : - Simple text editor for typing in six key > Braille mode. > > 12 Chrome With Speech : - Accessible Chrome Web Browser. > > 13 Hydrogen : - Play Drums. > > 14 Audacity : - Sound recording and editing. > > 15 Curlew : - Easy to use accessible multimedia converter. > > 16 Daisy-Player : - Play daisy audio formats. > > 17 eBook-Speaker : - Read ebook aloud. > > 19 CPU-G : - View your system configuration, Kernel Version, etc. > > 20 Format-USB : - format USB pendrive or external hard-drive. > > 21 VCD-Imager : - Extract video from VCD/DVD. > > 22 Pidgin : - Universal chat client. > > 23 Calibre : - Manage E-book collections as well as to create, edit, > and read e-books. > > 24 Audacious : - Audio Player. > > 25 blueman : - BlueTooth manager. > > 26 Periodic-Table : - Accessible Periodic Table. > > 27 Grub-Customizer : - Change boot entries of operating systems. > > 28 Gparted : - Accessible partitioner for your storage devices. > > Thanking you cocofrix team. > > From vsmiro@seznam.cz Wed Nov 29 09:55:54 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0FF67651C for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 09:55:54 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.21 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.21 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, URIBL_DBL_SPAM=2.5] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fKortBRvg4-F for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 09:55:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mxc2.seznam.cz (mxc2.seznam.cz [77.75.77.23]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6E92E764EC for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 09:55:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from email.seznam.cz by email-smtpc7a.ng.seznam.cz (email-smtpc7a.ng.seznam.cz [10.23.10.195]) id 7661062a63f95570778bf736; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 10:55:48 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seznam.cz; s=beta; t=1511949348; bh=mJTjrfg0S8a9w57yngYWqLMZ2jKNlzcn8pMbiniCNik=; h=Received:Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent: MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hyzbg9qz3/3ix0MdbZvVeCH6IFI6pruX50+FaxNQv7qwzGvOA7+qBucnWae8E79zb hOBlYpOaq6/yMoFwQw5YTRNSZZjg6Lh3fWFXblUWedBNmZJMIvnYNcHLOT5IF4/tcJ 87R3fVMzQjroWyh8j1mY3IwOKJfXoTIggNF7awBY= Received: from [192.168.1.181] (host-213-235-142-85.ip.topnet.cz [213.235.142.85]) by email-relay9.ng.seznam.cz (Seznam SMTPD 1.3.67) with ESMTP; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 10:55:46 +0100 (CET) To: Jason White via orca-list References: From: =?UTF-8?B?Vm9qdMSbY2ggxaFtaXJv?= Message-ID: <013bb838-a3a1-52e0-be53-efafef73762d@seznam.cz> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 10:55:45 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:51.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/51.0 SeaMonkey/2.48 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessible-Coconut version 16.04.22 Released X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 09:55:54 -0000 Hello. Some programs are missing for example update-manager. System is not fully in Czech, but I installed Czech support. Best regards Vojta. Jude DaShiell napsal(a): > I installed it and think networkmanager got updated recently upstream. > This is unfortunate since now my rtl8187B wifi adapter can no longer > connect to the internet. The connection is found; the correct > password is entered but no activation is possible. > > On Tue, 28 Nov 2017, Sath Linux wrote: > >> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 00:38:46 >> From: Sath Linux >> To: orca-list , kfbyouth@googlegroups.com, >> ai >> Subject: [orca-list] Accessible-Coconut version 16.04.22 Released >> >> Dear friends, >> We cocofrix team are very happy to announce the release of >> Accessible-Coconut 16.04.22. >> Accessible coconut is a Gnu/Linux based operating system customized to >> meet the challenges >> caused by impaired vision. >> >> Latest Version can be downloaded from : www.cocofrix.com >> >> Special features of this distribution.. >> >> 1 All the libraries in the world are accessible before the visually >> challenged. Linux intelligent OCR solution. Lios is a tool >> developed by our team which can help a person to read printed >> materials in almost all the prominent languages of the world including >> Indian languages like Hindi, Malayalam, Tamil, etc. Lios has all the >> facilities required for a standard OCR tool such as pdf conversion, >> image conversion, acquire image from scanner, screenshot ocr, go to >> page, >> go to line, page settings, Audio Converter, Text Cleaner, and like. >> Lios has a low vision environment with facility to change Text Color, >> Background Color, Font, and facility to Read with Highlight. >> Lios use Tesseract 4.0 and Cuneiform as OCR Engines. >> >> 2 IBus-Sharada-Braille : - a system wide input method for producing >> text. >> One can use six key approach for Brailler mode, for producing text in >> different languages. Letter f, d, s, j, k, l represent the six dots >> of 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, of braille and we can use different combinations >> for different letters. >> All the contractions and Abbreviations in English are included in the >> tool >> as default. And again, one can create any number of contractions and >> abbreviations of one?s own choice in any language. We have provided a >> language editor for adding languages, abbreviation editor, >> and a preference to select any key to represent the braille dots. >> We have also provided seven and eight keys to support languages like >> Japanese, and Chinese. >> One hand mode. We have added a feature which helps a person with one >> hand to use IBus-Sharada-Braille. >> >> >> 3 Tuxtype : - Tuxtype is a sophisticated program, to practice typing >> in different >> languages, and it is written in C and powered by SDL. We have made it >> accessible and >> one can learn typing in a game like way. We have also added a six key >> component in it and it is available as >> tuxtype braille. >> >> >> 4 Tuxmaths : - Tuxmaths is a game for practicing basic mathematical >> skills. Lan Multiplayer is also possible and accessible. >> >> 5 Chess accessibility : - We have made Xboard accessible. Xboard an >> application for playing chess >> using different chess engines. >> >> 6 Accessible Musical Instrument : - We have provided latest version of >> Linux MultiMedia Studio(LMMS) which is accessible. LMMS is an >> ingenious music producer and editor. >> We have also provided a menu item named Instruments inside sound and >> video menu to play Instruments via LMMS. >> >> 7 Office suit : - A visually challenged person can use more accessible >> open office spreadsheet, >> And Libreoffice Writer for Document purposes. >> >> 8 Fixes for ORCA Screen Reader : - We have made small changes in orca. >> One of which allow smooth continuous reading >> which can be enabled by selecting "Sentence(Using Full stop)" in >> Say-All-By Option. Another change is we have removed >> call to window.clearCache() which quit orca while closing or switch >> between applications. This can be reverted using the >> menu item inside Universal Access Menu. >> >> 9 Artha - English offline Dictionary, Select the word and press >> Alt+Ctrl+W in order to get the meaning. >> >> 10 SMPlayer : - Play audio's and Video's in any speed. >> >> 11 Sharada-Braille-Writer : - Simple text editor for typing in six key >> Braille mode. >> >> 12 Chrome With Speech : - Accessible Chrome Web Browser. >> >> 13 Hydrogen : - Play Drums. >> >> 14 Audacity : - Sound recording and editing. >> >> 15 Curlew : - Easy to use accessible multimedia converter. >> >> 16 Daisy-Player : - Play daisy audio formats. >> >> 17 eBook-Speaker : - Read ebook aloud. >> >> 19 CPU-G : - View your system configuration, Kernel Version, etc. >> >> 20 Format-USB : - format USB pendrive or external hard-drive. >> >> 21 VCD-Imager : - Extract video from VCD/DVD. >> >> 22 Pidgin : - Universal chat client. >> >> 23 Calibre : - Manage E-book collections as well as to create, edit, >> and read e-books. >> >> 24 Audacious : - Audio Player. >> >> 25 blueman : - BlueTooth manager. >> >> 26 Periodic-Table : - Accessible Periodic Table. >> >> 27 Grub-Customizer : - Change boot entries of operating systems. >> >> 28 Gparted : - Accessible partitioner for your storage devices. >> >> Thanking you cocofrix team. >> >> >> -- >> FREE SOFTWARE FREE SOCIETY * >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > From didier@slint.fr Wed Nov 29 11:35:32 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72B6376BFE for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 11:35:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cUlEHbAkbwnu for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 11:35:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.equipping.jabatus.fr (mail.equipping.jabatus.fr [109.234.163.98]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E9F3176BFD for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 11:35:30 +0000 (UTC) X-MailPropre-MailScanner-From: didier@slint.fr X-MailPropre-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.101, required 5, autolearn=disabled, DKIM_SIGNED 0.10, URIBL_BLOCKED 0.00) X-MailPropre-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailPropre-MailScanner-ID: 6023A8F66385D.A4F4A X-MailPropre-MailScanner-Information: Message sortant - Serveurs o2switch DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=slint.fr; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date: Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID:Content-Description: Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID: In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=xdKPEWmWAdoXecRYC+SlWl9EKI05LLqqSq2Tmfro8XQ=; b=Kckq1LRFf5o3BY2tsv/6dOOcg9 n/fGrUcNOmUpS1wkU6uZElwHwnQ9EiRz+FPMa8DxMJwVVEJE+kzOh9M/Oq2SgiSVEUdwsxi3smRsB ZM07CGd2+jam10hl3fUnzqN27puaOfQoHRCm6fH8TD0GahVJdE+cbVAbYAa3zBYUfxIg=; To: orca-list@gnome.org From: Didier Spaier Message-ID: <9dcdcc0c-07bf-c485-2472-6e50497f2374@slint.fr> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 12:35:25 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - fox.o2switch.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - slint.fr X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: fox.o2switch.net: authenticated_id: didier@slint.fr X-Authenticated-Sender: fox.o2switch.net: didier@slint.fr X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: [orca-list] lightdm and the desktop don't speak early if pulseaudio is not started system wide. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 11:35:32 -0000 Hello, In Slint64-14.2.1RC3.iso, puleeaudio is not started system wide, as espeak is built with portaudio as back end, and orca is enabled at the user level with a small script orca-on. We start espeakup during the startup sequence. When lightdm is used, after startup it doesn't say "screen reader on" and it seems to take a few seconds before it begins to speak, for instance if if quickly begin to type the password it doesn't say "bullet" when typing the first characters. However, after I close a session (going back to the greeter) it speaks normally. Also, at the beginning of a desktop session orca don't say "screen reader on" either, and there is a delay if 10 or 15 seconds before I get speech. However if I start pulseaudio system wide during the startup sequence (chmod 755 /etc/rc.d/rc.pulseaudio) I have speech instantly in both lightdm and the desktop. Also, if I use another display manager like lxdm, I have of course no speech in it but I get speech in the desktop instantly regardless of the way pulseaudio is started (system wide or per user). This is also the case if I use startx to start a desktop from a console instead of using a display manager. We have lightdm-1.24.0, lightdm-gtk-greeter-2.0.3, orca-3.26.0, pulseaudio-9.0 Did anyone observe a similar behavior? Should I file an issue in some bug tracker, and then which one? If one wants to test, the iso is here: http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-testing/iso/ Greetings, Didier From didier@slint.fr Wed Nov 29 14:10:06 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FBC67651C for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 14:10:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SJVKYO7bkIyP for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 14:10:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.mene.jabatus.fr (mail.mene.jabatus.fr [109.234.163.45]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D9F11764C8 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 14:10:04 +0000 (UTC) X-MailPropre-MailScanner-From: didier@slint.fr X-MailPropre-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.101, required 5, autolearn=disabled, DKIM_SIGNED 0.10, URIBL_BLOCKED 0.00) X-MailPropre-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailPropre-MailScanner-ID: 505F08FB82506.A5784 X-MailPropre-MailScanner-Information: Message sortant - Serveurs o2switch DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=slint.fr; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=r+KRC1e48jICM6qhqMIO4e1/TDD9MilrYJhgf3iuKNE=; b=mNLxgVLFCZ5CqUoIeXt4ZfiDux kYUKXn4Xr4QO6S3HXUnBp3Vls/qPIZZdcqG4zBmrP3wRVb5Ur7zD1ADWUX0n43wq3+woPUGSq6I5m W8beDhnlX6qi60HyYmhEodacJpoA+zjMWjXqRlUtf4dTGBcYZoZK9sUgLkyggly8KX48=; To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <9dcdcc0c-07bf-c485-2472-6e50497f2374@slint.fr> From: Didier Spaier Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 15:09:26 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9dcdcc0c-07bf-c485-2472-6e50497f2374@slint.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - fox.o2switch.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - slint.fr X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: fox.o2switch.net: authenticated_id: didier@slint.fr X-Authenticated-Sender: fox.o2switch.net: didier@slint.fr X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [orca-list] lightdm and the desktop don't speak early if pulseaudio is not started system wide. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 14:10:06 -0000 Upgraded to pulseaudio-11.1 to no avail. Le 29/11/2017 à 12:35, Didier Spaier a écrit : > Hello, > > In Slint64-14.2.1RC3.iso, puleeaudio is not started system wide, > as espeak is built with portaudio as back end, and orca is enabled at > the user level with a small script orca-on. > > We start espeakup during the startup sequence. > > When lightdm is used, after startup it doesn't say "screen reader on" > and it seems to take a few seconds before it begins to speak, for > instance if if quickly begin to type the password it doesn't say > "bullet" when typing the first characters. > > However, after I close a session (going back to the greeter) it speaks > normally. > > Also, at the beginning of a desktop session orca don't say "screen > reader on" either, and there is a delay if 10 or 15 seconds before I get > speech. > > However if I start pulseaudio system wide during the startup > sequence (chmod 755 /etc/rc.d/rc.pulseaudio) I have speech instantly in > both lightdm and the desktop. > > Also, if I use another display manager like lxdm, I have of course no > speech in it but I get speech in the desktop instantly regardless of the > way pulseaudio is started (system wide or per user). This is also the > case if I use startx to start a desktop from a console instead of using > a display manager. > > We have lightdm-1.24.0, lightdm-gtk-greeter-2.0.3, orca-3.26.0, > pulseaudio-9.0 > > Did anyone observe a similar behavior? > > Should I file an issue in some bug tracker, and then which one? > > If one wants to test, the iso is here: > http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-testing/iso/ > > Greetings, > Didier > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > From pvdeejay@gmail.com Wed Nov 29 14:32:12 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B3D676C01 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 14:32:12 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bcMueLJyiWb0 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 14:32:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wr0-f196.google.com (mail-wr0-f196.google.com [209.85.128.196]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9104376BF5 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 14:32:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wr0-f196.google.com with SMTP id v105so3584918wrc.3 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 06:32:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=7jHMnPAv4S5gQwF/N8K09Jk/LGb4Zlz7q6J8p2s/Qmk=; b=I9pDnZGh70vGPQuFyj/tbS8fAM/i3U83UddFye8re8Dnp9C0Xoy0WWeY8BZ8sw2VGE b8hfqp9RW0zLBw5vVRi/L6UvMcCpur9plx0QOEikhG9EMmwSS09fhG+VdtFQYcVozdI5 9zyJ5MTfgufTCrODT8xXdN2lF3V0xd0pAm7LB+n0CRKlrzbV4CmmF6fXKuAt0GYAgu3T I5Mr0INnjO8wfemjWWddLu6735pc4scBHjGy7ZtzGWz9hwN9+x4N+UsqufcGfLEiYtnr D1qoav8W9HotmpO0b0q6vZCX9l/UqzZdm+vvrRAhq8XKwsHJQbJCr3Q6ccich0T5V87R U1OA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=7jHMnPAv4S5gQwF/N8K09Jk/LGb4Zlz7q6J8p2s/Qmk=; b=ncuk20XoQsEK77WRR1oCjDMLciPnfBRoPHJSrTydzfe/u4jbxWTayGbgFxRrSOGoBZ uZQeGa7Ke6nNjyDCC+iqePfQiZUBLdFQRsXGwTVxnSR3i0GYu5xY6N5g7UodGyMjfkUw wil7EHEWlTbimxjQbgNtfDDuhh6QgbC5jgT4cl+iH17kgIErhpaqMYRMWLARRAR1svoV Q1YX8TtPcr4EX1sDA8e3rTuKJDIBNJ7aYq5CJYngIpYhURIKG2leD8NZBuqZDUxIaL76 YI3mvp4cbFkguGtb1g9HPNH0f6GaQqjx9J1AmYPFrv6Q8ZkXP9OKASQ8OCO+fvJsi8gk /v5A== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX7fRQDUYuh7ArrmLOotgjiGB4NCr/iCv5vDVWdtRXwDgVBx+sA/ uf2OKCI45ae1BCh+oKcl54RFLYWqirJLyQWl77k= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMZYq8uGD6b+S6dkaSriMAS8o65HN8p1+6B4n9/IiqSO0W9Umj/BU14GOfpT0fn/W33D15CZXxnCvfUnE22STxg= X-Received: by 10.223.134.75 with SMTP id 11mr2723658wrw.37.1511965927681; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 06:32:07 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.184.76 with HTTP; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 06:32:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.28.184.76 with HTTP; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 06:32:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <9dcdcc0c-07bf-c485-2472-6e50497f2374@slint.fr> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=C3=A1gner?= Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 15:32:06 +0100 Message-ID: To: Didier Spaier Cc: orca-list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1149235c083202055f200000" Subject: Re: [orca-list] lightdm and the desktop don't speak early if pulseaudio is not started system wide. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 14:32:12 -0000 --001a1149235c083202055f200000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I think the chain is as follows: Lightdm-gtk-greeter spawns orca - Orca spawns speech-dispatcher if it's not running via python-speechd - Speech-dispatcher is configured to output its audio through its pulseaudio output module. That module is linked against libpulse. When libpulse is asked to play sound, it tries to spawn pulseaudio if it's not yet running. Pulseaudio examines if it's configured to autospawn in its config file /etc/pulse/daemon.conf and if yes it will launch. So the delays are expected in a setup like this I would say. On other distros pulseaudio is typically activated via socket activation of systemd thus it's started early and killed late similar to how at-spi bus is handled. In order to hackaround that you might like to consider managing pulseaudio launching and killing via lightdm scripts such as setupscript, pre session and post session script. However I would call that just a workaround not a proper solution. I don't know if there are more possible options within systemd less distro like Slint is. It would be difficult to find out if this is a bug and which part is responsible. Greetings Peter D=C5=88a 29. 11. 2017 15:10 pou=C5=BE=C3=ADvate=C4=BE "Didier Spaier" nap=C3=ADsal: > Upgraded to pulseaudio-11.1 to no avail. > > Le 29/11/2017 =C3=A0 12:35, Didier Spaier a =C3=A9crit : > > Hello, > > > > In Slint64-14.2.1RC3.iso, puleeaudio is not started system wide, > > as espeak is built with portaudio as back end, and orca is enabled at > > the user level with a small script orca-on. > > > > We start espeakup during the startup sequence. > > > > When lightdm is used, after startup it doesn't say "screen reader on" > > and it seems to take a few seconds before it begins to speak, for > > instance if if quickly begin to type the password it doesn't say > > "bullet" when typing the first characters. > > > > However, after I close a session (going back to the greeter) it speaks > > normally. > > > > Also, at the beginning of a desktop session orca don't say "screen > > reader on" either, and there is a delay if 10 or 15 seconds before I ge= t > > speech. > > > > However if I start pulseaudio system wide during the startup > > sequence (chmod 755 /etc/rc.d/rc.pulseaudio) I have speech instantly in > > both lightdm and the desktop. > > > > Also, if I use another display manager like lxdm, I have of course no > > speech in it but I get speech in the desktop instantly regardless of th= e > > way pulseaudio is started (system wide or per user). This is also the > > case if I use startx to start a desktop from a console instead of using > > a display manager. > > > > We have lightdm-1.24.0, lightdm-gtk-greeter-2.0.3, orca-3.26.0, > > pulseaudio-9.0 > > > > Did anyone observe a similar behavior? > > > > Should I file an issue in some bug tracker, and then which one? > > > > If one wants to test, the iso is here: > > http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-testing/iso/ > > > > Greetings, > > Didier > > _______________________________________________ > > orca-list mailing list > > orca-list@gnome.org > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/ > gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/ > gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org --001a1149235c083202055f200000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello,

I think the chain is as follows:
Lightdm-gtk-greeter spawns orca
- Orca spawns speech-dispatcher if it's not running via python-speechd<= br> - Speech-dispatcher is configured to output its audio through its pulseaudi= o output module. That module is linked against libpulse. When libpulse is a= sked to play sound, it tries to spawn pulseaudio if it's not yet runnin= g. Pulseaudio examines if it's configured to autospawn in its config fi= le /etc/pulse/daemon.conf and if yes it will launch.

So the delays are expected in a setup like this I would say.=
On other distros pulseaudio is typically activated via socket activation of= systemd thus it's started early and killed late similar to how at-spi = bus is handled.
In order to hackaround that you might like to consider managing pulseaudio = launching and killing via lightdm scripts such as setupscript, pre session = and post session script. However I would call that just a workaround not a = proper solution.

I don't know if there are more possible options within s= ystemd less distro like Slint is.

It would be difficult to find out if this is a bug and which= part is responsible.

Greetings

Peter


D=C5=88a 29. 11. = 2017 15:10 pou=C5=BE=C3=ADvate=C4=BE "Didier Spaier" <didier@slint.fr> nap=C3=ADsal:
Upgraded to pulseaudio-11.1= to no avail.

Le 29/11/2017 =C3=A0 12:35, Didier Spaier a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
> Hello,
>
> In Slint64-14.2.1RC3.iso, puleeaudio is not started system wide,
> as espeak is built with portaudio as back end, and orca is enabled at<= br> > the user level with a small script orca-on.
>
> We start espeakup during the startup sequence.
>
> When lightdm is used, after startup it doesn't say "screen re= ader on"
> and it seems to take a few seconds before it begins to speak, for
> instance if if quickly begin to type the password it doesn't say > "bullet" when typing the first characters.
>
> However, after I close a session (going back to the greeter) it speaks=
> normally.
>
> Also, at the beginning of a desktop session orca don't say "s= creen
> reader on" either, and there is a delay if 10 or 15 seconds befor= e I get
> speech.
>
> However if I start pulseaudio system wide during the startup
> sequence (chmod 755 /etc/rc.d/rc.pulseaudio) I have speech instantly i= n
> both lightdm and the desktop.
>
> Also, if I use another display manager like lxdm, I have of course no<= br> > speech in it but I get speech in the desktop instantly regardless of t= he
> way pulseaudio is started (system wide or per user). This is also the<= br> > case if I use startx to start a desktop from a console instead of usin= g
> a display manager.
>
> We have lightdm-1.24.0, lightdm-gtk-greeter-2.0.3, orca-3.26.0,
> pulseaudio-9.0
>
> Did anyone observe a similar behavior?
>
> Should I file an issue in some bug tracker, and then which one?
>
> If one wants to test, the iso is here:
> http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-= testing/iso/
>
> Greetings,
> Didier
> _______________________________________________
> orca-list mailing list
> orca-list@gnome.org
> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/o= rca-list
> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/= orca/stable/
> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://h= elp.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>
_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list@gnome.org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-l= ist
Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/= stable/
GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.g= nome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
--001a1149235c083202055f200000-- From jdashiel@panix.com Wed Nov 29 17:56:31 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 959E0761FF for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 17:56:31 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.711 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.711 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, URIBL_DBL_SPAM=2.5] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kgX5uFjrLdDd for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 17:56:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 424D276219 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 17:56:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from panix1.panix.com (panix1.panix.com [166.84.1.1]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18A4211CE5; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 12:56:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by panix1.panix.com (Postfix, from userid 20712) id E252E14B9D; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 12:56:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by panix1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD3DE14B98; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 12:56:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 12:56:27 -0500 From: Jude DaShiell To: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Vojt=ECch_=B9miro?= , Jason White via orca-list In-Reply-To: <013bb838-a3a1-52e0-be53-efafef73762d@seznam.cz> Message-ID: References: <013bb838-a3a1-52e0-be53-efafef73762d@seznam.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessible-Coconut version 16.04.22 Released X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 17:56:31 -0000 I think so long as ifconfig is available I'll be able to get my wifi adapter up and running. It turns out ifconfig needs to bring the interface up before nmtui is used. On Wed, 29 Nov 2017, Vojt?ch ?miro wrote: > Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 04:55:45 > From: Vojt?ch ?miro > To: Jason White via orca-list > Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessible-Coconut version 16.04.22 Released > > Hello. > > Some programs are missing for example update-manager. System is not fully in > Czech, but I installed Czech support. > > Best regards > > Vojta. > > Jude DaShiell napsal(a): >> I installed it and think networkmanager got updated recently upstream. >> This is unfortunate since now my rtl8187B wifi adapter can no longer >> connect to the internet. 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We have also added a six key >>> component in it and it is available as >>> tuxtype braille. >>> >>> >>> 4 Tuxmaths : - Tuxmaths is a game for practicing basic mathematical >>> skills. Lan Multiplayer is also possible and accessible. >>> >>> 5 Chess accessibility : - We have made Xboard accessible. Xboard an >>> application for playing chess >>> using different chess engines. >>> >>> 6 Accessible Musical Instrument : - We have provided latest version of >>> Linux MultiMedia Studio(LMMS) which is accessible. LMMS is an >>> ingenious music producer and editor. >>> We have also provided a menu item named Instruments inside sound and >>> video menu to play Instruments via LMMS. >>> >>> 7 Office suit : - A visually challenged person can use more accessible >>> open office spreadsheet, >>> And Libreoffice Writer for Document purposes. >>> >>> 8 Fixes for ORCA Screen Reader : - We have made small changes in orca. >>> One of which allow smooth continuous reading >>> which can be enabled by selecting "Sentence(Using Full stop)" in >>> Say-All-By Option. Another change is we have removed >>> call to window.clearCache() which quit orca while closing or switch >>> between applications. This can be reverted using the >>> menu item inside Universal Access Menu. >>> >>> 9 Artha - English offline Dictionary, Select the word and press >>> Alt+Ctrl+W in order to get the meaning. >>> >>> 10 SMPlayer : - Play audio's and Video's in any speed. >>> >>> 11 Sharada-Braille-Writer : - Simple text editor for typing in six key >>> Braille mode. >>> >>> 12 Chrome With Speech : - Accessible Chrome Web Browser. >>> >>> 13 Hydrogen : - Play Drums. >>> >>> 14 Audacity : - Sound recording and editing. >>> >>> 15 Curlew : - Easy to use accessible multimedia converter. >>> >>> 16 Daisy-Player : - Play daisy audio formats. >>> >>> 17 eBook-Speaker : - Read ebook aloud. >>> >>> 19 CPU-G : - View your system configuration, Kernel Version, etc. >>> >>> 20 Format-USB : - format USB pendrive or external hard-drive. >>> >>> 21 VCD-Imager : - Extract video from VCD/DVD. >>> >>> 22 Pidgin : - Universal chat client. >>> >>> 23 Calibre : - Manage E-book collections as well as to create, edit, >>> and read e-books. >>> >>> 24 Audacious : - Audio Player. >>> >>> 25 blueman : - BlueTooth manager. >>> >>> 26 Periodic-Table : - Accessible Periodic Table. >>> >>> 27 Grub-Customizer : - Change boot entries of operating systems. >>> >>> 28 Gparted : - Accessible partitioner for your storage devices. >>> >>> Thanking you cocofrix team. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> FREE SOFTWARE FREE SOCIETY * >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > -- From dahunt@posteo.de Wed Nov 29 20:48:44 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F3F07630B for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 20:48:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.311 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.311 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 42jA1egF5NE4 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 20:48:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout01.posteo.de (mout01.posteo.de [185.67.36.65]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F12907623D for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 20:48:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D74F20DFF for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 21:48:39 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.de; s=2017; t=1511988519; bh=Bipn8pVYe6p2i+O3pLXP56WlLFRayDPiGeuQxDWyvro=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:From; b=Ci103aJ5AarGz0tNR9DXiyBtDp34F8bmyeY8b+8Zag9KMwYcLKvOvM/lWBtosDQ+x 4W3PPCaw0Ap3SnQtS3MrXavEG1HOFb9bT0W9sDJsIP37KMOqe6ESbEEMc9XpIy6hvL n2WwWnUrVcVgvw682EYet1jWNVde6bpRJLRmlzC/89g8Yq+/26mhKIrcimAs1iwrtq 3My/L+gM+Us+CL05/AM0SXo/96mK3MuvMhWGgdLd8eNBXnCFliqIlZXPlbO259a6x3 PdkPpMJ6nzXn1DTQ6xO2kBtIygVflCDYfoEme5HTV3ZzTSN42rHTaV0hPhIYRLbSRG SfMiMc6Nf37UQ== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3ynCLF6wXgz9rxY for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 21:48:37 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <013bb838-a3a1-52e0-be53-efafef73762d@seznam.cz> From: Dave Hunt Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 15:48:35 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessible-Coconut version 16.04.22 Released X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 20:48:44 -0000 How's the wifi working in your coconut? I notice that some of the accessibility programs are not in repository; have the packagers considered making a ppa for this stuff?  Pushing updates of the unpackaged stuff is going to be hard. --Dave This coconut is accessible via machete! On Wednesday 29 November 2017 12:56 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote: > I think so long as ifconfig is available I'll be able to get my wifi > adapter up and running.  It turns out ifconfig needs to bring the > interface up before nmtui is used. From jdashiel@panix.com Thu Nov 30 06:34:16 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D9127625D for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 06:34:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Zwla7m4JiWIE for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 06:34:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 883FF761FF for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 06:34:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from panix1.panix.com (panix1.panix.com [166.84.1.1]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 888B311F50; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 01:34:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by panix1.panix.com (Postfix, from userid 20712) id 602E014B9D; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 01:34:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by panix1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A68B14B98; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 01:34:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 01:34:11 -0500 From: Jude DaShiell To: Dave Hunt , orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <013bb838-a3a1-52e0-be53-efafef73762d@seznam.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessible-Coconut version 16.04.22 Released X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 06:34:16 -0000 Now it's working fine. Coconut renamed my wifi connection and once I brought it up with ifconfig nmtui with activate selection and the correct Essid was able to do the rest. On Wed, 29 Nov 2017, Dave Hunt wrote: > Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 15:48:35 > From: Dave Hunt > To: orca-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessible-Coconut version 16.04.22 Released > > How's the wifi working in your coconut? > > > I notice that some of the accessibility programs are not in repository; have > the packagers considered making a ppa for this stuff?? Pushing updates of the > unpackaged stuff is going to be hard. > > > > > --Dave > > > > This coconut is accessible via machete! > > > > On Wednesday 29 November 2017 12:56 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote: >> I think so long as ifconfig is available I'll be able to get my wifi >> adapter up and running.? It turns out ifconfig needs to bring the >> interface up before nmtui is used. > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > -- From peersoft@seznam.cz Thu Nov 30 08:09:37 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7457E76300 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 08:09:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.71 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.71 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jiWKoAyx1tN8 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 08:09:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 735 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at restaurant.gnome.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 08:09:35 UTC Received: from mxc1.seznam.cz (mxc1.seznam.cz [77.75.79.23]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2BB7D764AE for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 08:09:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from email.seznam.cz by email-smtpc8b.ko.seznam.cz (email-smtpc8b.ko.seznam.cz [10.53.13.225]) id 2c65e17939c3a5a72c527a61; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 09:09:31 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seznam.cz; s=beta; t=1512029371; bh=l/M0KVGYUBDULmtBwqzmvFC2G4r+MypeZAFvDeMzgNw=; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index: Content-Language; b=TerqDlnr8d62EnDxQjIlxJxJJcNC9joNo8V7yJpfZAZ88cDqMgpw2FzsVPjIDDS58 rDzmoIIPB9+U5yO697gXKGXOjRRu76C3gYHAAIY/Ealvq+5aTtA+2D/yC6vbfkXi4y riKihRC8rTJDXP4I58HGgVRWoJHgBkfCM0W550n0= Received: from E550Rehak (static-84-242-89-84.net.upcbroadband.cz [84.242.89.84]) by email-relay20.ko.seznam.cz (Seznam SMTPD 1.3.67) with ESMTP; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 08:57:14 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-2?B?UGV0ciDYZWjhaw==?= To: Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 08:57:16 +0100 Message-ID: <003401d369b0$d7ad0f40$87072dc0$@seznam.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AdNpq+Xy2ENifan1QV6Wcz9Jpq2fuQ== Content-Language: cs Subject: [orca-list] Qt Creator accessibility X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 08:09:37 -0000 Hello, Has anybody been developing Qt applications in Qt Creator? I should be involved in this development for our company and I am finding this IDE hardly usable for productive work. My main issues: - Whenn reading source code in the editor by arrow keys, Orca suddenly = stops reading and remains silent when moving around. I can work around this problem by pressing ALT to get to the menu bar and pressing it again to return to the editor, then again when it occurs the next time. Very frustrating. - If an error occurs during building a project, an error message is displayed in the Issues window (or pane). I can't get to this window = except via the Orca's flat review and by clicking on the error list item. Orca, however, can't read any text in this item, it just announces "list = item". The only way to get to the error message is to open a context menu of = the item, select Copy to copy it to the clipboard, then paste it somewhere = and make Orca read it (there might be a command to announce clipboard = contents which I could assign a keyboard shortcut). Outside Qt Creator, I am also finding Orca stop reading when moving the focus onto the GNOME top bar where it does not announce items such as Accessibility, System etc., only subitems are announced after I press = the Down arrow. I am stating this as it might be related to the Qt Creator = issue in the text editor, I don't know. Otherwise Orca is good at navigating = the GNOME Shell, Nautilus etc. I am using Ubuntu 17.10 with GNOME and Orca 3.26. I am mainly a Windows = user but have to use Linux at work for our development. Any clue, please? Thank you for any ideas. Best regards, Petr =D8eh=E1k From vsmiro@seznam.cz Thu Nov 30 13:22:56 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B89F764BC for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 13:22:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.71 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.71 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eZLwvGNavLcN for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 13:22:54 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 756 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at restaurant.gnome.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 13:22:53 UTC Received: from mxc1.seznam.cz (mxc1.seznam.cz [77.75.79.23]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB41C764B8 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 13:22:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from email.seznam.cz by email-smtpc8b.ko.seznam.cz (email-smtpc8b.ko.seznam.cz [10.53.13.225]) id 7ea8ff8c6b30acd67f420e90; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 14:22:50 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seznam.cz; s=beta; t=1512048170; bh=Bc7itRzOJF5dh98vn4NPK5a7KtHEs+wjcZTIHwEywN8=; h=Received:To:From:Subject:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Language; b=JyWGS3K0u1GD2oXMqFrivYTyzaP0UsF3D8Fhm+yQWwgA6PzOt0hW0KPZfC1NPWe8g Dyn4WUEIJPt/Tuvj2Anxpn9X/A3dENLWYp9vUUik01n+Phb48XGCJRSG3DEgFYWpT0 V4hRnjYNpKR4CGY3kzZf/OEZe13lm+x/OpOauux4= Received: from [192.168.1.180] (host-213-235-142-85.ip.topnet.cz [213.235.142.85]) by email-relay21.ko.seznam.cz (Seznam SMTPD 1.3.67) with ESMTP; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 14:10:11 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org From: =?UTF-8?B?Vm9qdMSbY2ggxaBtaXJv?= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 18:40:09 +0530 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: [orca-list] =?utf-8?q?Se=C5=A1amonkey_in_Coconut?= X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 13:22:56 -0000 Hello. I use Coconut 16.04.2 and I would like to use Seamonkey in it. Please, what to do? I downloaded it from mozilla.cz, but it doesn't work. Thanks. Best regards Vojta. From vsmiro@seznam.cz Thu Nov 30 13:56:08 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39984764AE for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 13:56:08 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.71 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.71 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AvSiSo_P8Sdb for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 13:56:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mxc2.seznam.cz (mxc2.seznam.cz [77.75.77.23]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1889076230 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 13:56:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from email.seznam.cz by email-smtpc6b.ng.seznam.cz (email-smtpc6b.ng.seznam.cz [10.23.13.165]) id 129c855a0704d60013767446; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 14:56:00 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seznam.cz; s=beta; t=1512050160; bh=+1P3KPuPe3PFqUrCC6YHvXQmZCPYJd1vrTys6viALlM=; h=Received:Subject:From:To:References:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent: MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IZh5cEnE+DSyb0V69qLJip2YgBLyy5XpcsREqKOokJ0/2f3l/0MMrSzXpv81cgLio yQJl6Fj1sRNmbg9Y4o5mRaaT2ou2nr4HO2QEz7DNtepkCm61tj94WZ8N6ynW1zR27e flWhmlNgzboJlKRxK1ljv+r7PpFS6dBNdl+gVuPA= Received: from [192.168.1.181] (host-213-235-142-85.ip.topnet.cz [213.235.142.85]) by email-relay15.ng.seznam.cz (Seznam SMTPD 1.3.67) with ESMTP; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 14:55:58 +0100 (CET) From: =?UTF-8?B?Vm9qdMSbY2ggxaFtaXJv?= To: orca-list@gnome.org References: Message-ID: <11270cf4-7303-f97a-81d6-a33b88f8800b@seznam.cz> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 14:55:57 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:51.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/51.0 SeaMonkey/2.48 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Seamonkey in Coconut X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 13:56:08 -0000 Vojtch miro napsal(a): > Hello. > > > I use Coconut 16.04.2 and I would like to use Seamonkey in it. Please, > what to do? I downloaded it from mozilla.cz, but it doesn't work. > > > Thanks. > > > Best regards > > > Vojta. > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From didier@slint.fr Thu Nov 30 18:07:39 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B81E764B8 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 18:07:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B5AnKwyHKylQ for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 18:07:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.lobby.jabatus.fr (mail.lobby.jabatus.fr [109.234.163.68]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 221D076222 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 18:07:36 +0000 (UTC) X-MailPropre-MailScanner-From: didier@slint.fr X-MailPropre-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (cached, score=0.101, required 5, autolearn=disabled, DKIM_SIGNED 0.10, URIBL_BLOCKED 0.00) X-MailPropre-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailPropre-MailScanner-ID: 2B53D92F1D1BB.A6B09 X-MailPropre-MailScanner-Information: Message sortant - Serveurs o2switch DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=slint.fr; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:From:References:Cc:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=zJDmWWeKzigQ8bxqRPDkEKnOudFCBWM/sMmMlW9+SX8=; b=fAatIkPu5tkYJMFeldfDsxaarb /qbgS0CRIoBnOKEbDn7sbeNSliPs6cKolrFNHPM6e26B/daiyJUfO2j6D42T5kHdBkbH4YUzIrk6k TirmOw99DDr40dBCRCC5RYZ1n1fkFF32LLGBmtqB8e4TTrBEbyeAwM9H1DAs9GnFE0Gs=; To: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=c3=a1gner?= Cc: orca-list References: <9dcdcc0c-07bf-c485-2472-6e50497f2374@slint.fr> From: Didier Spaier Message-ID: <5d4ca641-2d86-655c-4fbf-5a69949a7d72@slint.fr> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 19:07:31 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - fox.o2switch.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - slint.fr X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: fox.o2switch.net: authenticated_id: didier@slint.fr X-Authenticated-Sender: fox.o2switch.net: didier@slint.fr X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [orca-list] lightdm and the desktop don't speak early if pulseaudio is not started system wide. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 18:07:39 -0000 Hello, Le 29/11/2017 à 15:32, Peter Vágner a écrit : > I think the chain is as follows: > Lightdm-gtk-greeter spawns orca > - Orca spawns speech-dispatcher if it's not running via python-speechdo > - Speech-dispatcher is configured to output its audio through its > pulseaudio output module. That module is linked against libpulse. Well, as speech-dispatcher can be configured to output its audio to libao instead of libpulse, I tried that. Here is the configure summary building it that way: cut here configure: output modules to be built are cicero dummy festival generic espeak-ng configure: audio methods to be built are libao configure: Default audio method is libao cut here I didn't expect lightdm to still need pulse as now speech-dispatcher uses libao, and I have also rebuilt libao without the pulse driver. However this didn't change anything: still the same speech delays occur, unless pulseaudio be started system wide. I also tried to edit /etc/pulse/client.conf to have: autospawn = no This gave two results: 1) No sound at all in lightdm. 2) Sound in the display manager with no delay: I hear "screen reader on" as soon as it is started. Of course 2 is good but 1 is bad. I also tried to leave autospawn = yes in /etc/pulse/client.conf but to copy it in ~/.config/pulse and then, edit ~/.config/pulse/client.conf to have "autospawn = no", in the hope that I would get speech in lightdm. I did, with still a delayed speech at startup and no "screen reader on" announced, but I has still the same speech delay in the desktop. Which puzzles me as "man pulse-client.conf" says that ~/.config/pulse/client.conf has priority over /etc/pulse/client.conf. > When libpulse is asked to play sound, it tries to spawn pulseaudio if > it's not yet running. Pulseaudio examines if it's configured to > autospawn in its config file /etc/pulse/daemon.conf and if yes it will > launch. As stated above, her autospawn is set in /etc/pulse/client.conf > So the delays are expected in a setup like this I would say. > On other distros pulseaudio is typically activated via socket activation of > systemd thus it's started early and killed late similar to how at-spi bus > is handled. > In order to hackaround that you might like to consider managing pulseaudio > launching and killing via lightdm scripts such as setupscript, pre session > and post session script. However I would call that just a workaround not a > proper solution. I also tried that, to no avail. > I don't know if there are more possible options within systemd less > distro like Slint is. I am at a loss for finding even a functionally acceptable workaround, so unless I have or hopefully I be given a bright idea soon, I will leave things as they are. After all a blind user will still have several possibilities to start a graphical environment in Slint: 1) Accept the speech delays. 2) Run pulseaudio system wide (in that case there is no delay). 3) Start on a console, in other words in text mode, then type startx to launch a graphical environment. In any case the scripts session-chooser as well as xwmconfig now allow to choose a graphical environment among those installed, and dm-chooser will allow to choose to log in tty1 then use startx when needed, or to log in a display manager chosen among those installed (by default lxdm, lightdm or kdm). Greetings, Didier > It would be difficult to find out if this is a bug and which part is > responsible. > > Greetings > > Peter > > Dňa 29. 11. 2017 15:10 používateľ "Didier Spaier" napísal: > >> Upgraded to pulseaudio-11.1 to no avail. >> >> Le 29/11/2017 à 12:35, Didier Spaier a écrit : >>> Hello, >>> >>> In Slint64-14.2.1RC3.iso, puleeaudio is not started system wide, >>> as espeak is built with portaudio as back end, and orca is enabled at >>> the user level with a small script orca-on. >>> >>> We start espeakup during the startup sequence. >>> >>> When lightdm is used, after startup it doesn't say "screen reader on" >>> and it seems to take a few seconds before it begins to speak, for >>> instance if if quickly begin to type the password it doesn't say >>> "bullet" when typing the first characters. >>> >>> However, after I close a session (going back to the greeter) it speaks >>> normally. >>> >>> Also, at the beginning of a desktop session orca don't say "screen >>> reader on" either, and there is a delay if 10 or 15 seconds before I get >>> speech. >>> >>> However if I start pulseaudio system wide during the startup >>> sequence (chmod 755 /etc/rc.d/rc.pulseaudio) I have speech instantly in >>> both lightdm and the desktop. >>> >>> Also, if I use another display manager like lxdm, I have of course no >>> speech in it but I get speech in the desktop instantly regardless of the >>> way pulseaudio is started (system wide or per user). This is also the >>> case if I use startx to start a desktop from a console instead of using >>> a display manager. >>> >>> We have lightdm-1.24.0, lightdm-gtk-greeter-2.0.3, orca-3.26.0, >>> pulseaudio-9.0 >>> >>> Did anyone observe a similar behavior? >>> >>> Should I file an issue in some bug tracker, and then which one? >>> >>> If one wants to test, the iso is here: >>> http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-testing/iso/ >>> >>> Greetings, >>> Didier >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/ >> gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/ >> gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > From dahunt@posteo.de Thu Nov 30 18:58:44 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB406764AE for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 18:58:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.311 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.311 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c5m9pMqSdUTa for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 18:58:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout01.posteo.de (mout01.posteo.de [185.67.36.65]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 618BC76222 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 18:58:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B463020DF9 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 19:58:39 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.de; s=2017; t=1512068319; bh=3Mh4q/SCgZVSWSNbgCdtcRbIUIe5Xzde25k/d5kS6hU=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:From; b=qVb3Mk5gs5+8DEouXf7nJyr+FsNBSgwxsSJEJXZbDXGw84pCCS9jvihjRke1dzicp 1HgbgFO3LyBk2/7FYL2xr2wJQiBv0QxYvnvVcPBc+3dAb0quhLbAoY8cErArBEGtT9 QO0TbKmSpv8F98i4je6hLtk15W5TyllNJuZXN7s/Waj24WNxlQl64aHfGlcy22B0zL uKl3c650GLuligyaiDAV1uU35hDO80osfhYPHoQWmhqGF2J0JuVJqPy1hL0r0GHSPQ /HQ2L78unMwbsZOYyhr/RuMiSO2mjxAADiZHmSr5nyBwSYUGV8kNcLr1lec5fOttPd tKDgBGE1yHbOg== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3ynmrt3MrWz9rxP for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 19:58:38 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: From: David Hunt Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 13:58:35 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessible-Coconut version 16.04.22 Released X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 18:58:45 -0000 Anyone else notice that, when launching firefox for the first time or when waking from suspend, orca cannot focus on the window? Switching out of ff and back doesn't seem to fix this; best thing seems to be replacing or restarting orca. I thought, maybe, it had to do with the script that turns the screen off, but, the behavior is same whether screen is on or not.  I'd post this to Accessible Coconut's mailing list, but my request to subscribe still awaits approval. Cheers, Dave From jdashiel@panix.com Thu Nov 30 20:41:47 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1896764D1 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 20:41:47 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u1v3OFVj7hAP for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 20:41:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by smtp.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D8068764CE for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 20:41:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from panix1.panix.com (panix1.panix.com [166.84.1.1]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 325FA11991; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 15:41:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by panix1.panix.com (Postfix, from userid 20712) id F39F214B9D; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 15:41:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by panix1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEBF214B98; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 15:41:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 15:41:43 -0500 From: Jude DaShiell To: David Hunt , orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessible-Coconut version 16.04.22 Released X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 20:41:47 -0000 What's the status of screen-saver and low power mode? If one or both are enabled they could be contributing or responsible. On Thu, 30 Nov 2017, David Hunt wrote: > Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 13:58:35 > From: David Hunt > To: orca-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessible-Coconut version 16.04.22 Released > > Anyone else notice that, when launching firefox for the first time or when > waking from suspend, orca cannot focus on the window? Switching out of ff and > back doesn't seem to fix this; best thing seems to be replacing or restarting > orca. I thought, maybe, it had to do with the script that turns the screen > off, but, the behavior is same whether screen is on or not.? I'd post this to > Accessible Coconut's mailing list, but my request to subscribe still awaits > approval. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Dave > > > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > --