From stormdragon2976@gmail.com Sat Jan 1 01:04:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95D79750723 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 01:04:02 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.145 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.145 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=1.553, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RFC_ABUSE_POST=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qWcrmFNdPZqb for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 01:04:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FDEC750101 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 01:03:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk8 with SMTP id 8so5260841gxk.27 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 17:03:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:content-type :date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=ZX+gbMJgptmRzALMsmQu/E0lo49UeGwzh1OOfsBuCBE=; b=VXUzq3qRuIcf/xt8eOQ80U0lcmb3vTFWgAg9IM8SJVRi93W8JPNYfCYkiapPbJfoS+ LM2YVryf6Vwa84/xioPs/fqt6Ryvmo5ZlZ7E/D4mnE4xZMY3kLP9bwu3+8cEZK6UmXs9 bwc3M2NakBxZNkBbxkB9JPfRrIHO+8Rs7kits= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer; b=cC/QA6Dyt4kGT1X1XwKFIaQC9iPYDhjD/mVJtR5ZeGZSwiRyHxuHEd9qazRWkHO8oJ xh8gekl0K6hgsOv7w8dEPwPhWogMTHe/HnGjWBtBzDX+G6m4lxNJa8wobGXj8jNK3tpy 862LeutT3cfr7CNsXjEZwlrE7hqg++r9uLdFQ= Received: by 10.236.109.3 with SMTP id r3mr473881yhg.30.1293843830160; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 17:03:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([137.118.186.73]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm10369569yhl.27.2010.12.31.17.03.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 31 Dec 2010 17:03:49 -0800 (PST) From: Storm Dragon To: Orca-list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-v1K4s8LvxVxMmWzuNAc+" Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 20:03:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1293843823.2706.12.camel@stormdragon-laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3 Subject: [orca-list] Orca Donations X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 01:04:03 -0000 --=-v1K4s8LvxVxMmWzuNAc+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Was there ever any response about setting up an Orca donations page? Thanks Storm -- Registered Linux user number 508465: http://counter.li.org/ My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: http://www.stormdragon.us/ My last.fm profile: http://www.last.fm/user/stormdragon2976 --=-v1K4s8LvxVxMmWzuNAc+ Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi,
Was there ever any response about setting up an Orca donations page?
Thanks
Storm
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http://counter.li.org/
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http://www.stormdragon.us/
My last.fm profile:
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--=-v1K4s8LvxVxMmWzuNAc+-- From joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Sat Jan 1 01:13:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24ECD750101 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 01:13:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RFC_ABUSE_POST=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NLMMHcjABpRO for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 01:13:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41665750723 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 01:13:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws9 with SMTP id 9so4953411vws.27 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 17:13:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:cc :in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version :x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; bh=SKBUNCWT1/sFQohudpE4A0zI4921osRP1lfRMxCWwII=; b=uvilzlgky4ksYf+TtmboICPnKhQY0QS52RxI3QYTNG00X7rIh6R5xjAUsYkmTWQHe1 YVo+Ak4n48N9r1guFKwiVCITkX8KWlS5OUKUgw7J/pes3ecTccDuTEwvCQqrdYNuwhBs C14scMz3tiP2zSqb+Aib2Vl8Y0u7qYl9uKSbQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date :message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; b=T5yL8rX/ZZyaRwcjp13+0EpdMKDwvZxhewPcD52tz8HsxXdIAGSiLt9utpUVn3mcuA 4WjM8URcj82CHIbQb/YBi2vjNx/uAC7xn1G3Noh+M3+DqpO9EnAF1D0NjW05zt8gPPC6 oMWJ2r/rmeP2MHzq0HCC934WxMRTBu0RTT3v0= Received: by 10.220.203.132 with SMTP id fi4mr5068894vcb.125.1293844388895; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 17:13:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.35.103] (c-98-217-239-60.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [98.217.239.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i1sm6209760vby.1.2010.12.31.17.13.07 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 31 Dec 2010 17:13:08 -0800 (PST) From: Joanmarie Diggs To: Storm Dragon In-Reply-To: <1293843823.2706.12.camel@stormdragon-laptop> References: <1293843823.2706.12.camel@stormdragon-laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 20:13:11 -0500 Message-ID: <1293844391.1833.151.camel@blockhead> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Orca-list Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca Donations X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 01:13:23 -0000 Hi Storm. Thanks again for your interest in this. I've made a number of inquiries, gotten some responses. I've got a few more inquiries to make. Please stay tuned. Take care. --joanie On Fri, 2010-12-31 at 20:03 -0500, Storm Dragon wrote: > Hi, > Was there ever any response about setting up an Orca donations page? > Thanks > Storm > -- > Registered Linux user number 508465: > http://counter.li.org/ > My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: > http://www.stormdragon.us/ > My last.fm profile: > http://www.last.fm/user/stormdragon2976 > > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From hammera@pickup.hu Sat Jan 1 07:12:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B2AA750272 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 07:12:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qYuN6f2MFmFP for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 07:12:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43E9F7501FF for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 07:12:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id 1F750E8121 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 08:52:41 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D1ED3DA.6090906@pickup.hu> Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 08:12:26 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] I added a new Gecko system voice related or profile related issue X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 07:12:40 -0000 Hy, First, happy new year every body! Joanie, if you have a little time, please look following bugreport: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=638441 I don't no following issue is a profile related issue or new Gecko system voice related issue: When I navigating new Mallard based Orca help section links, Orca now spokening links with 50% speech rate. The interesting problem is I not setted different speech parameters for example with System voice, only setted the default voice character with 90% speech rate. I not see this problem with Firefox. I attached a debug.out file and my user-settings.conf file. I using latest awailable espeak-1.44.20 test version and Speech-dispatcher-0.8-dev version. Attila From hammera@pickup.hu Sat Jan 1 08:58:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F4947500D3 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 08:58:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TO3Fv2gCs97Y for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 08:58:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0C4675008A for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 08:58:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id F1ED4E82EA for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 10:38:23 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D1EECA1.6040401@pickup.hu> Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 09:58:09 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [orca-list] Another Firefox related speech problem when I using Orca+Tab and Orca+Shift+Tab key combination X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 08:58:23 -0000 Hy, When I using orca+Tab or Orca+Shift+Tab key, Orca not doing a pause before the tutorial message. You easy to verify the difference if you open www.google.com webpage for example, and try some Orca+Tab or Orca+Shift+Tab and Tab or Shift+Tab jumping with form fields. Before you doing this, check the tutorial messages preference and the pause related checkbox with speech page (I think this is checked by default). You will be clean hear the difference if you using Orca+Tab and Orca+Shift+Tab if you doing after normal Tab or Shift+Tab jumping with form fields. Tab and Shift+Tab generated speech result is better. See for example the Tab or Shift+Tab generated speech result, this is the right output method because have dot intonation and a pause before the tutorial message: SPEECH OUTPUT: 'Google keresés szerkesztőmező.' SPEECH OUTPUT: 'Gépelje be a kért információt, vagy módosítsa a meglévőt.' Now following the Orca+Tab generated speech result: SPEECH OUTPUT: 'Google keresés szerkesztőmező Gépelje be a kért információt, vagy módosítsa a meglévőt.' Sorry the hungarian text copy. I reported this bug with following link and attached the debug.out file: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=638445 Attila From vilmar@informal.com.br Sat Jan 1 11:31:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1CD47500D3 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 11:31:26 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6V0BcWih0F98 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 11:31:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay04.email.alog.com.br (relay04.email.alog.com.br [200.219.210.27]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B14B975008A for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 11:31:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay02.email.alog.com.br (relay02.email.alog.com.br [10.0.3.2]) by relay04.email.alog.com.br (Alog-MTA-Corp) with ESMTP id 41B832EE089 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 09:29:53 -0200 (BRST) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (unknown [187.34.44.25]) (Authenticated sender: vilmar@informal.com.br) by relay02.email.alog.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id DABD1400A083 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 09:31:12 -0200 (BRST) Message-ID: <4D1F1080.7010304@informal.com.br> Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 09:31:12 -0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Vilmar_Est=E1cio_de_Souza?= Organization: Informal Informatica User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <1293843823.2706.12.camel@stormdragon-laptop> In-Reply-To: <1293843823.2706.12.camel@stormdragon-laptop> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020305090808050205080303" Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca Donations X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: vilmar@informal.com.br List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 11:31:27 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020305090808050205080303 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good question!!! On 12/31/2010 11:03 PM, Storm Dragon wrote: > Hi, > Was there ever any response about setting up an Orca donations page? > Thanks > Storm > -- > Registered Linux user number 508465: > http://counter.li.org/ > My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: > http://www.stormdragon.us/ > My last.fm profile: > http://www.last.fm/user/stormdragon2976 > > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp --------------020305090808050205080303 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good question!!!

On 12/31/2010 11:03 PM, Storm Dragon wrote:
Hi,
Was there ever any response about setting up an Orca donations page?
Thanks
Storm
-- 
Registered Linux user number 508465:
http://counter.li.org/
My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon:
http://www.stormdragon.us/
My last.fm profile:
http://www.last.fm/user/stormdragon2976




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--------------020305090808050205080303-- From hammera@pickup.hu Sun Jan 2 07:04:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D8697501C1 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 07:04:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 63fA1OIcqBS6 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 07:04:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DDF47500E9 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 07:04:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id 1CBBAE8272 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 08:44:10 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D20235E.4080200@pickup.hu> Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 08:03:58 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [orca-list] Future possible marking translation the Orca Modifier Keys combobox item names? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 07:04:13 -0000 Hy, I reported following I18n related bug with Orca Modifier combo box element names: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=638488 I have got following ydea with I don't no future possible doing or not: Nov, visual the Orca modifiers combo box presenting the screen following values in preferences dialog/keybindings page: Insert, KP_Insert KP_Insert Insert Caps_Lock If I see right, this is real keymap values. Possible give only the combo box visual values for example following texts and marking translation this texts: "Insert, Numpad insert (equals with now filled Insert, KP_Insert setting) Numpad Insert (real KP_Insert setting) Insert (equals) Caps Lock (real Caps_Lock setting)" Perhaps what the advantages if possible doing this? 1. The UI interface containing future human understable setting names with Orca modifiers and looking better. 2. This setting names is translatable, so for example the non english language translators with using different key names possible using another translations both the Orca gui preference window and Orca help page. For example the documentation translation now I copyed the original english named modifyer related settings, but this is not full beautiful. Not good method only the documentation translating this setting names with hungarian language, because the preferences dialog using another named elements with not translatable now. For example general the hungarian language the caps lock word possible translatable with "nagybetű zár" word, and the insert word translatable with "inzert" word. KP_insert or numpad insert word possible hungarian translation is "numerikus inzert". Perhaps how can possible implementing this change? 1. First, in src/orca/user-settings.ui file the marking translation is easy, need changing following row columns with adding the translatable="yes" tag: Insert, KP_Insert KP_Insert Insert Caps_Lock I tested this change, this step work, but of course missing the second step with real replacement choosed combo box element names the real setting values if the user apply or reload orca settings. 2. In src/orca/orca_gui_prefs.py file need doing following: all Orca modifiers combo box element value have perhaps an index value, with possible following, independent the translated visual element name. Need only four case with apply the real need modifier setting if possible determining the index position when the choosed element is changed and the user apply or reload Orca settings: 0: the real modifier setting name is insert, kp_insert. If the first item is selected with Orca modifier keys combo box, independent the real translated name need apply this setting, because translation is need only the better visual appearance. 1: the real modifier setting name is kp_insert. If the second item is selected with Orca modifier keys combo box, independent the real translated name need apply this setting, because translation is need only the better visual appearance. 3: the real modifier setting name is insert If the firth item is selected with Orca modifier keys combo box, independent the real translated name need apply this setting, because translation is need only the better visual appearance. 4: the real modifier setting name is caps_lock If the last item is selected with Orca modifier keys combo box, independent the real translated name need apply this setting, because translation is need only the better visual appearance. Joanie, my ydea is possible doing? Need doing this change your openion? Or if you not would like marking translation this item strings because not good ydea, possible replace the Orca modifier combo box element names with better names with better look the visual UI interface? Attila From w0jrl1@gmail.com Sun Jan 2 08:10:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F18CA75018F for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 08:10:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.359 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.359 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=1.553, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RFC_ABUSE_POST=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_FL=0.077, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4k1US4t3SwHo for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 08:10:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 357D97500E9 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 08:10:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyb26 with SMTP id 26so12541247iyb.27 for ; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 00:10:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=EvVw3cCuIZIJA0Jis7omqkmPFCXQPEskbJsLVDiyP8w=; b=fPLwv5NdaeDglXtH4JQ2N2O5OLx43m8vtFs5+tDB4w0nXAzkqIy9xQUrJQJnUzPEhe Nwoq/fjdzQwQfFKVqbvkXjcIs1CnGwykov3wiXa9FfEjnBMbbet3rWSsGSsFQXmrs2Kp GTyYOSR7ln4/We5po+Lx+wu3LAEhSOZ445ec0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=JM+j3MQ/KViJHje4wMx7ZJb8K7wxRvIp7lCox2fQbb5ImufojTBU1j/pXactJcIm4D 605Ii+lVdS9fzz3Ad6922GN8buLLAKJ5hHNAIBS6VInTQ28bMjxDAMauRgkLFiqOtZzb 6dD4rfhm+CUDIIoG0QbvpbZiNHx2iN8Lebu74= Received: by 10.231.16.200 with SMTP id p8mr18921861iba.181.1293955841903; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 00:10:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.213.1.100] (173-14-3-141-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.14.3.141]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gy41sm17438303ibb.17.2011.01.02.00.10.39 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 02 Jan 2011 00:10:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D2032FD.1080708@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 01:10:37 -0700 From: Jeremy Lincicome User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Drag and drop with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 08:10:54 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi list, I was wondering if there is a way to drag and drop with Orca? I am using sflphone and want to create conference calls. According to the sflphone manual, in order to create a conference, you need to drag and drop one call on to another. Is there a way to do this? Better still, does anyone know of a keyboard shortcut that will create the conference? Thanks, Jeremy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNIDL8AAoJECVrjD5tazajl0EIANxvEl9xux2lTio2XqZBUXoF X2Pm2R9mGq+exyBpaskQwYSGK9nzP0c7OSSvQiD2ZGpxSIdPgGxZMSgJoppAFUMg lpdwePpTFxAtGXJ8skMZBF4qitBVEDENZzq4FauKPtXyar4g7g9lLhuuEhcwklfm a7z6rpAcfqu9pxWrDn5ljlqb+MChCXpIMIA3IaHa/MUs4bWqnG7R83rlONz/JcNR mBESSiLvkm9TLKP8Ra8Q5cfmps3DkWEagHrR3L/vbJ0EzX/dpo9AlrgAzxT3GFMz HTza767HjdjU/CcBZ0LW5X39aH+VPTKzoBC/MOc2Xu6l2oBH/RPje9Yeesqoldo= =xRl3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mj@mjw.se Sun Jan 2 18:10:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 966347501C2 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 18:10:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OpAQkzJxGL2A for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 18:10:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mjw.se (mjw.se [88.80.29.25]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5641750284 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 18:10:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [85.226.23.209] (c-d117e255.457-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se [85.226.23.209]) by mjw.se (vPostMaster) with ESMTP id 8034F3DF8C7 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 19:10:27 +0100 (CET) From: mattias To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 19:09:55 +0100 Message-ID: <1293991795.7043.0.camel@debian> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.30.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] a not working page X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 18:10:16 -0000 www.vmlite.com orca cant see the links the link only shows as text not links From kd7cyu@yahoo.com Sun Jan 2 19:58:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12FF27502AC for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 19:58:27 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.643 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.643 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD=1.63, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RFC_ABUSE_POST=0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5ajRneUUx0mP for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 19:58:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sh77.surpasshosting.com (sh77.surpasshosting.com [72.29.75.145]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 916BC75020B for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 19:58:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-76-121-69-115.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([76.121.69.115]:33163 helo=tom-laptop.local) by sh77.surpasshosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZU4F-0006H7-1f for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 14:58:15 -0500 Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 11:58:07 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Masterson X-X-Sender: kd7cyu@tom-laptop To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (DEB 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sh77.surpasshosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - yahoo.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: [orca-list] Firefox 4 question X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 19:58:27 -0000 I have installed firefox 4.0 from the daily builds ppa site for ubuntu Maverick and am using Orca Master. When I open firefox AKA Minefield orca stops speaking and showing things on the braille display. Any ideas what is happening here? Tom From ka1cey@gmail.com Sun Jan 2 21:47:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEB1D750253 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 21:47:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.689 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.689 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RFC_ABUSE_POST=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LZlsIcuaQFe4 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 21:47:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qy0-f175.google.com (mail-qy0-f175.google.com [209.85.216.175]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98FA2750228 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 21:47:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk8 with SMTP id 8so13432900qyk.6 for ; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 13:47:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id:cc:to :mime-version:x-mailer; bh=RglEmRiHoesDR3cjLubF/bNO3sK7W9um6rk3nw+nsAQ=; b=b5IZDD6+cYNwKfcFXPbBM0ujk3nJ6dzxXPEVNX1DrvomFBPeRrq5nFKI+SklWzy7JP L8gDm3y47oj/c3pI9euLw7Qu/6eKdcjr5s6E1TLGXDfES5MyxmQmB7lAfsJXt95YWvH5 xZcl73XSEz8akklHmK0QBDtKYChaON9Ac1OaM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :cc:to:mime-version:x-mailer; b=eEubNwEKbH3t9l9VIcCZHJr4iydh8Lp4Y0lcV0R2GwjunKgR5WQ5H+SwDZXGsIzZVD cUaLAwR1ZZY8iL+viYMtGT54di4SkUGtlg2VyP2jAw4KdKEm9Ojxar+c+z8cfgoXKL8A X4hYffKXRWJ0rnGreiyPJh1MZLYo6T9ha56Ps= Received: by 10.224.19.203 with SMTP id c11mr18740368qab.170.1294004866863; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 13:47:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.33] (c-24-60-114-121.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.60.114.121]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id nb15sm10621155qcb.2.2011.01.02.13.47.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 02 Jan 2011 13:47:46 -0800 (PST) From: Dave Hunt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 16:47:42 -0500 Message-Id: To: vinux-support@googlegroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: [orca-list] Reading Evolution Appointment Calendar? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 21:47:59 -0000 As suggested on the 'Accessible Applications' section of the Orca = documentation, I set all views in Evolution to 'list view', and the = cursor is on. This seems to work, as expected, in the message and = addressbook views. In the appointment calendar, moving through the list = view reads column headings, but no values. As a test, I created a = couple of appointments for today and tomorrow. I see the two rows, one = per appointment, but, for instance, the 'summary' column just says = 'summary', for both. If I open the suggested appointment, the fields = read as I think they should. Is there some setting I'm missing? The = Orca document says nothing about the calendar. Thanks for any suggestions, Dave_H From covici@ccs.covici.com Mon Jan 3 00:03:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2F75750347 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 00:03:49 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DCsjQ+YnHMSB for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 00:03:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 584 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 00:03:47 UTC Received: from wlym.com (wlym.com [66.135.63.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1C86750306 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 00:03:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ccs.covici.com (pool-71-171-100-42.clppva.fios.verizon.net [71.171.100.42]) (authenticated bits=128) by wlym.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5+lenny1) with ESMTP id p02NroZq000523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 17:53:53 -0600 Received: from ccs.covici.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ccs.covici.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p02Nrl8Y005558 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 18:53:50 -0500 To: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailer: MH-E 8.2; nmh 1.3; GNU Emacs 23.2.1 Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 18:53:47 -0500 Message-ID: <5557.1294012427@ccs.covici.com> From: covici@ccs.covici.com Subject: [orca-list] unusual behavior with latest master? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 00:03:50 -0000 Hi. I am using orca as of git: 9f8547094228b3a568265754e73308f66a42092c which is to say latest as of time of writing. I am getting unusual behavior. I have been usin orca with speech-dispatcher, and when the new version came out, I had to reconfigure a bit to get it system-wide. Its conmmunication method is INET_SOCKET. However, Orca is not seeing it at all, it just sees gnome-speech-services. Now under that there is a speech-dispatcher driver, however I am pretty sure this is not the same. I am using speech-dispatcher 0.7.1-r1 under gentoo 32-bit. Its looking pretty interesting with all the new features, so I want to get things going, but I want to get the basics working before I play very much. I also noticed that the settings were very much changed and I seemed to have lost whatever settings I had before, from a git of about 2 December. This is not too much of a big deal, but I wonder what happened? Any ideas on these topics would be appreciated. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici covici@ccs.covici.com From trev.saunders@gmail.com Mon Jan 3 00:53:46 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE743750306 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 00:53:46 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.689 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.689 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RFC_ABUSE_POST=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A0PMRh4feP7J for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 00:53:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41D4C75024C for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 00:53:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwj9 with SMTP id 9so13123085qwj.27 for ; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 16:53:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=1tPeJya37jl4ZJxkoJ0xvKvqBo7FCAZt4olYgViLm0I=; b=qvuumkMxvOfCUgcJSYrrx4MXYk39WNs2HjSLUKIEQF+PVTUDUa/ZX3k7X9lFbMMA7H gNVCGq1gkWC7uMRgyrcQy5fSb4HVYSx4Ji+WG7IQDG3gC2wJcmtQmbxzr0yQpPNaP4ne EAG9lAA1vPQ54nB3+vQzJ+VjXHnWua+btMLYA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=t7K4XVZB0N21flRqALVmWtkJ3mMy3c2MXe/IO5tXFunjAaTyOzGP454ggwS6JTaqn8 w9z1Jtp4/RTQ8D2kCLd0Fdg70iv2eU4o+139uGEZtqmsSUfhw9I+reSH6H8sIY9nhPOx Vk/koTszb2c57Ww/vu+3vA4h/X/yn/gmzcFLs= Received: by 10.224.89.81 with SMTP id d17mr3724958qam.332.1294016012686; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 16:53:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from football.tbsaunde.org (pool-71-251-133-238.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net [71.251.133.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g32sm11644522qck.46.2011.01.02.16.53.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 02 Jan 2011 16:53:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 19:52:13 -0500 From: Trevor Saunders To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110103005213.GB24372@football.tbsaunde.org> References: <5557.1294012427@ccs.covici.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="eJnRUKwClWJh1Khz" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5557.1294012427@ccs.covici.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: [orca-list] unusual behavior with latest master? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 00:53:47 -0000 --eJnRUKwClWJh1Khz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Jan 02, 2011 at 06:53:47PM -0500, covici@ccs.covici.com wrote: > Hi. I am using orca as of git: 9f8547094228b3a568265754e73308f66a42092c > which is to say latest as of time of writing. >=20 > I am getting unusual behavior. I have been usin orca with > speech-dispatcher, and when the new version came out, I had to > reconfigure a bit to get it system-wide. Its conmmunication method is > INET_SOCKET. However, Orca is not seeing it at all, it just sees > gnome-speech-services. Now under that there is a speech-dispatcher > driver, however I am pretty sure this is not the same. I am using > speech-dispatcher 0.7.1-r1 under gentoo 32-bit. with that setup you need to have the variable SPEECHD_ADDRESS set to inet_socket:host:port in the enviroment orca runs in. > Its looking pretty interesting with all the new features, so I want to > get things going, but I want to get the basics working before I play > very much. >=20 > I also noticed that the settings were very much changed and I seemed to > have lost whatever settings I had before, from a git of about 2 > December. This is not too much of a big deal, but I wonder what > happened? the way orca stores configuration changed, see the archives. Trev >=20 > Any ideas on these topics would be appreciated. >=20 > --=20 > Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: > How do > you spend it? >=20 > John Covici > covici@ccs.covici.com > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightl= y/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQu= estions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp --eJnRUKwClWJh1Khz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNIR29AAoJEBfSn9LueXXXcKoP/jgd1o4TntEsUp5l8pDc198W sBxWsnG6jpRUwUODV2BUvDdLn2sfALfih+bXyH2alH0WpidSVGSrB1JIOEWlmFA/ Q08hZ29+9buGS5+910lOe12yNCi9hvdRMAv2FkBd0qaKB4U5q2+Tz0E7tT/+zTK/ +jebnCwPvv2eyxfKCGMXyRXhp+zyyWXwdD3DcsdJ/V6kcDOrbOZUYpJxhWzoOTib uj0CWAnCpqAErPPpL47XKLQbCA7TQHMUPm4jHwC27gScV19bKGVff0kIhOzE3mMm JVzVyrrC1Zy2GBSzUDmlBbuEke3d8bHPCKT/RHJh6Z5tE+hYVnoeL+J2/sZ6G79S 7VLcuJdVS8jb0Qi3DJ+JITWUgHEb1SBmaZ1yKug4vXPgulslaSfv5V9k8yt1avS8 F5d/cHTObaasZVDe7CnLPoBCbvo4+uKnVq8CcLQ9LBbC25d1hcaGLdcM/ftWZPyr /Bs9iJNaPLug9U1V1VoPPm/DdezTqMG6nZ6mjEvFYIZtAVSmws4RYvW6PPFhDx1w 61bzF44TfXESBScEfQdwWEGVo/uf6axFxooPV9ionFQ7ukdu/9DB13Ci6c5hxKbq DWxqAKKp1vPPvM22EnJcVa/rO4s3pXlM7kEsqexH1B8HlvR9tYTLNFgYEqe4Kr8f 4/SyZRXk9LxmB8gCGFQV =a2HQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --eJnRUKwClWJh1Khz-- From covici@ccs.covici.com Mon Jan 3 01:39:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B852875035C for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 01:39:42 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O+GlvNiv8QBi for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 01:39:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wlym.com (wlym.com [66.135.63.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 210A475024C for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 01:39:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ccs.covici.com (pool-71-171-100-42.clppva.fios.verizon.net [71.171.100.42]) (authenticated bits=128) by wlym.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5+lenny1) with ESMTP id p031dQCX005824 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 2 Jan 2011 19:39:28 -0600 Received: from ccs.covici.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ccs.covici.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p031dMSL006919; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 20:39:25 -0500 To: Trevor Saunders In-reply-to: <20110103005213.GB24372@football.tbsaunde.org> References: <5557.1294012427@ccs.covici.com> <20110103005213.GB24372@football.tbsaunde.org> Comments: In-reply-to Trevor Saunders message dated "Sun, 02 Jan 2011 19:52:13 -0500." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.2; nmh 1.3; GNU Emacs 23.2.1 Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 20:39:22 -0500 Message-ID: <6917.1294018762@ccs.covici.com> From: covici@ccs.covici.com Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] unusual behavior with latest master? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 01:39:43 -0000 Trevor Saunders wrote: > On Sun, Jan 02, 2011 at 06:53:47PM -0500, covici@ccs.covici.com wrote: > > Hi. I am using orca as of git: 9f8547094228b3a568265754e73308f66a42092c > > which is to say latest as of time of writing. > > > > I am getting unusual behavior. I have been usin orca with > > speech-dispatcher, and when the new version came out, I had to > > reconfigure a bit to get it system-wide. Its conmmunication method is > > INET_SOCKET. However, Orca is not seeing it at all, it just sees > > gnome-speech-services. Now under that there is a speech-dispatcher > > driver, however I am pretty sure this is not the same. I am using > > speech-dispatcher 0.7.1-r1 under gentoo 32-bit. > > with that setup you need to have the variable SPEECHD_ADDRESS set to > inet_socket:host:port in the enviroment orca runs in. > > > Its looking pretty interesting with all the new features, so I want to > > get things going, but I want to get the basics working before I play > > very much. > > > > I also noticed that the settings were very much changed and I seemed to > > have lost whatever settings I had before, from a git of about 2 > > December. This is not too much of a big deal, but I wonder what > > happened? > > the way orca stores configuration changed, see the archives. > Trev > > > > > Any ideas on these topics would be appreciated. So if it is an environment variable, where do I put it? Do I use export and where would I put the export statement? -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici covici@ccs.covici.com From jason@jasonjgw.net Mon Jan 3 01:48:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78EAC750385 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 01:48:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FOEtv86xxxfs for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 01:48:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from speakup.octothorp.org (speakup.octothorp.org [174.136.97.10]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6B7A750373 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 01:48:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jdc.jasonjgw.net ([IPv6:2001:44b8:702a:4770::2]) by speakup.octothorp.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p031mHNv001777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 01:48:19 GMT Received: by jdc.jasonjgw.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C44CC180638C7; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 12:48:03 +1100 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=jasonjgw.net; s=mail; t=1294019283; bh=3duwtQBeyvlP9Y+daFaOQuE4YyXu+nJf8QytbValZWY=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:In-Reply-To; b=x23pAAO28hfcs0HRIgoFZTxlbwfbQk8/A4k02wRMTZRGb81llqOcUrhIJsibTu1Ae 8bjxFXZGI5u0GTl5l1Ue+5V3bVYzM10l3y+FKPT54qE3w+6MfQvFCLUXQoVx0BZoID NjXDH4YrPLezUMKHYcDVs5e09W5poEAwV4s4yyD8= Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 12:48:03 +1100 From: Jason White To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110103014803.GA8557@jdc.jasonjgw.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <5557.1294012427@ccs.covici.com> <20110103005213.GB24372@football.tbsaunde.org> <6917.1294018762@ccs.covici.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6917.1294018762@ccs.covici.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] unusual behavior with latest master? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 01:48:33 -0000 covici@ccs.covici.com wrote: > So if it is an environment variable, where do I put it? Do I use export > and where would I put the export statement? You do need to export it, otherwise it is only a shell variable, not an environment variable. See any good book on shell basics for further details. Where to put it depends on how you start your X server. If you use startx from a shell as I do, then your ~/.profile file would be a good place. From covici@ccs.covici.com Mon Jan 3 02:32:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 736AF750369 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 02:32:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.823 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.823 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, TW_GD=0.077] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JMmGajmdROOg for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 02:32:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wlym.com (wlym.com [66.135.63.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B0277501BB for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 02:32:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ccs.covici.com (pool-71-171-100-42.clppva.fios.verizon.net [71.171.100.42]) (authenticated bits=128) by wlym.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5+lenny1) with ESMTP id p032WRii007987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 20:32:29 -0600 Received: from ccs.covici.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ccs.covici.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p032WNC8008605 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 21:32:27 -0500 To: orca-list@gnome.org In-reply-to: <20110103014803.GA8557@jdc.jasonjgw.net> References: <5557.1294012427@ccs.covici.com> <20110103005213.GB24372@football.tbsaunde.org> <6917.1294018762@ccs.covici.com> <20110103014803.GA8557@jdc.jasonjgw.net> Comments: In-reply-to Jason White message dated "Mon, 03 Jan 2011 12:48:03 +1100." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.2; nmh 1.3; GNU Emacs 23.2.1 Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 21:32:23 -0500 Message-ID: <8604.1294021943@ccs.covici.com> From: covici@ccs.covici.com Subject: Re: [orca-list] unusual behavior with latest master? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 02:32:41 -0000 Jason White wrote: > covici@ccs.covici.com wrote: > > > So if it is an environment variable, where do I put it? Do I use export > > and where would I put the export statement? > > You do need to export it, otherwise it is only a shell variable, not an > environment variable. See any good book on shell basics for further details. > > Where to put it depends on how you start your X server. If you use startx from > a shell as I do, then your ~/.profile file would be a good place. I usually start gdm, but its shell isn ologin, so I ampuzzled. Also, I did put a line in my .bashrc figuring it would login and pick it up there, but nothing happened. Also, for gdm the orca settings get copied from somewhere each time I start gdm -- is this by design? -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici covici@ccs.covici.com From jason@jasonjgw.net Mon Jan 3 03:14:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DBF4750369 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 03:14:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.37 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.37 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL=1.31, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.001, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.982, TW_GD=0.077] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B6ZrA+D2TvFH for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 03:14:15 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 5159 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 03:14:15 UTC Received: from jdc.jasonjgw.net (ppp203-122-198-127.lns6.adl6.internode.on.net [203.122.198.127]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0455E7501BB for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 03:14:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by jdc.jasonjgw.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id EA403180638C7; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 14:14:03 +1100 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=jasonjgw.net; s=mail; t=1294024443; bh=LljBW8nOgicP17Wv3m1iFU40UO7WrxaSzR3W+X9GlQE=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:In-Reply-To; b=DAX5mzBYAmYareHrPNxKe7sYl2Yl9CUqNRQ8yIjOnaJMioM95fjMx9g5j3f6mNYul KswkLkJ2Apsb5re49s06Nax47aSJWKlovHeOdx5Dd1gHL/SpDOTknio0XfvDPmIagk kRBvvWx214HZzN6ohKAcIwBOj4EMoQAxqGQ1DNjQ= Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 14:14:03 +1100 From: Jason White To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110103031403.GA9422@jdc.jasonjgw.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <5557.1294012427@ccs.covici.com> <20110103005213.GB24372@football.tbsaunde.org> <6917.1294018762@ccs.covici.com> <20110103014803.GA8557@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <8604.1294021943@ccs.covici.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8604.1294021943@ccs.covici.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] unusual behavior with latest master? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 03:14:17 -0000 covici@ccs.covici.com wrote: > I usually start gdm, but its shell isn ologin, so I ampuzzled. Also, I > did put a line in my .bashrc figuring it would login and pick it up > there, but nothing happened. Also, for gdm the orca settings get copied > from somewhere each time I start gdm -- is this by design? Yes, I think it is, since obviously the configuration shouldn't be read from your home directory until you log in (at least, not in a multi-user environment, which Linux inherently provides). You could try setting your environment variable in /etc/rc.local in case that helps. there might be a gdm configuration option that you need to preserve environment variables as well - have a look at the gdm documentation, or wait for a reply from someone who knows gdm. From mallory@jobva.nl Mon Jan 3 08:34:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 675097503F6 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 08:34:15 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.107 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.107 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RDNS_NONE=0.793] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ddDtVsCdHlsb for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 08:34:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from siddharta.jobva.nl (unknown [188.122.77.20]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E2FE75017A for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 08:34:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by siddharta.jobva.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 8C354190089; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 09:34:02 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 09:34:02 +0100 From: Mallory van Achterberg To: mattias Message-ID: <20110103083402.GA26410@mail.jobva.nl> References: <1293991795.7043.0.camel@debian> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1293991795.7043.0.camel@debian> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] a not working page X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 08:34:15 -0000 Which links? The first link is an anchor around an image who has no alt text, and goes to root. The next two links are so-called "accessibility" text-enlargement things... but they should seem like links to Orca. The login and close buttons also don't go anywhere. These links have "#" as their hrefs. The first actual, real link I see is "Forgot your password?" Does that one get called "link"? -Mallory On Sun, Jan 02, 2011 at 07:09:55PM +0100, mattias wrote: > www.vmlite.com > orca cant see the links > the link only shows as text not links > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From steve.holmes88@gmail.com Mon Jan 3 13:09:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 254D57503D4 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 13:09:22 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.136 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.136 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=1.553, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RFC_ABUSE_POST=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TrgjtlPjGxxi for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 13:09:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8479775024D for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 13:09:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so14570491iwn.27 for ; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 05:09:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=gcKAcLqPza2k9UVRBLB5HjqoFTlDTjpcMxYgMzk+USY=; b=JUg3n4YX+69CGrYhwpsZmwrFBMquS1GxogitLAnF53EQAH6ApBEt3Oh0qyAkJ48lzg pzdW44RN6BlQ6UhIWzH+YxGsW3KiFBfdlMVu16f/V5lsH2l7UoATpFjZLZj8o3C/bj2u +FhZWiyBukLX2Oai3V5GpFIvq11Zhpezlj36Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; b=OB1rgITaeo5x/xgYk1+OX2ll11UjY0wIOnmURlALyfLBS8p+Z4GgkbHuftfwf6EWL0 0k8LDoZKmZvRtuM+d6jBlBdjV22ic9KMMLyHE1aoGnq60y7dHpeGgJdrZ6vfXrYtKfAf zlx+AElq2g6zEYeN9DkKvaZejF47pPXTk4uP4= Received: by 10.42.219.4 with SMTP id hs4mr21003329icb.418.1294060149132; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 05:09:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from lnx3.holmesgrown.com (ip72-208-185-148.ph.ph.cox.net [72.208.185.148]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i2sm17689930icv.15.2011.01.03.05.09.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 03 Jan 2011 05:09:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 06:09:04 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110103130904.GA32757@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Firefox 4 question X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 13:09:22 -0000 I've run into similar situations from time to time with 4.0 Beta and I could sometimes remedy the problem by reloading the page with Ctrl+r. It was especially bad when the default Mozilla Google page. When aI changed it to something else, I have not had the problem lately. It might be fixed with later nightly builds of the program as well. On Sun, Jan 02, 2011 at 11:58:07AM -0800, Tom Masterson wrote: > I have installed firefox 4.0 from the daily builds ppa site for > ubuntu Maverick and am using Orca Master. When I open firefox AKA > Minefield orca stops speaking and showing things on the braille > display. Any ideas what is happening here? > > Tom > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From steve.holmes88@gmail.com Mon Jan 3 13:23:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B66D7503D4 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 13:23:00 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.059 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.059 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=1.553, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RFC_ABUSE_POST=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GD=0.077, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ch8L3t6iUYmi for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 13:22:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pv0-f182.google.com (mail-pv0-f182.google.com [74.125.83.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8508975038C for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 13:22:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pvc22 with SMTP id 22so3002879pvc.27 for ; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 05:22:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=RgFZe+kc0hx+1gmqoD7lavbRgfgt4naeiMk6+E22niU=; b=TSvnKij1O6QXjMWlhP/+Zce1T8rNVIi5YMcda4fAddyTsFYa2qTNlGE+nMKZsNsEuE xyG3cy2l31lmTp02uKM33/bvHD/EmPCPlohUJZjoVi5vmj3I/HIOkRplJnLm+H30obux gCmesdyFVB+rcd18LtcWT99NJB8I6SF3Cc40o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; b=tghJDdfOkF6Y8hNl8WAibtVrRKu7mJ0O/HfIqOVtjqHetVAc/MZPEdeW5y9ALp+/Hr xDUgbdcllkn9ReVNKYNsNatJjed7i7yR5yi0oHPPnMfCCvsBlLfIu4vgMzoQmA8y6SKa vtx2mNFOl7HgmvSkPio0G9cDXVD7VCBdx95H8= Received: by 10.142.210.7 with SMTP id i7mr3170295wfg.307.1294060968783; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 05:22:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from lnx3.holmesgrown.com (ip72-208-185-148.ph.ph.cox.net [72.208.185.148]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o1sm5238159wfl.14.2011.01.03.05.22.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 03 Jan 2011 05:22:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 06:22:43 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110103132243.GB32757@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <5557.1294012427@ccs.covici.com> <20110103005213.GB24372@football.tbsaunde.org> <6917.1294018762@ccs.covici.com> <20110103014803.GA8557@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <8604.1294021943@ccs.covici.com> <20110103031403.GA9422@jdc.jasonjgw.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110103031403.GA9422@jdc.jasonjgw.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] unusual behavior with latest master? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 13:23:00 -0000 GDM is broken in several ways right now. First off, to get the environment variable to be recognized by Orca, you will have to modify the /usr/bin/orca file directly and insert the following line . /etc/profile.d/speechd.sh at the top of the runorca function. Now this speechd.sh script merely sets the environment variable on my system when speech dispatcher is started. If you start speech dispatcher by some other method, then you could insert the export speechd parameter in this spot instead. The bottom line here is Orca does not see the environment when started with gem; I don't know why. The other problem you are having is with the new orca settings, they keep getting overwritten even when I create new ones. This bug has been noted. On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 02:14:03PM +1100, Jason White wrote: > covici@ccs.covici.com wrote: > > > I usually start gdm, but its shell isn ologin, so I ampuzzled. Also, I > > did put a line in my .bashrc figuring it would login and pick it up > > there, but nothing happened. Also, for gdm the orca settings get copied > > from somewhere each time I start gdm -- is this by design? > > Yes, I think it is, since obviously the configuration shouldn't be read from your > home directory until you log in (at least, not in a multi-user environment, > which Linux inherently provides). > > You could try setting your environment variable in /etc/rc.local in case that > helps. there might be a gdm configuration option that you need to preserve > environment variables as well - have a look at the gdm documentation, or wait > for a reply from someone who knows gdm. > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From covici@ccs.covici.com Mon Jan 3 14:29:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C63F3750424 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 14:29:55 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.823 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.823 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, TW_GD=0.077] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qB4LpwyDlumh for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 14:29:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wlym.com (wlym.com [66.135.63.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1E8D7501E3 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 14:29:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ccs.covici.com (pool-71-171-100-42.clppva.fios.verizon.net [71.171.100.42]) (authenticated bits=128) by wlym.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5+lenny1) with ESMTP id p03ETeRm019600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 08:29:42 -0600 Received: from ccs.covici.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ccs.covici.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p03ETb90016932 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 09:29:40 -0500 To: orca-list@gnome.org In-reply-to: <20110103132243.GB32757@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> References: <5557.1294012427@ccs.covici.com> <20110103005213.GB24372@football.tbsaunde.org> <6917.1294018762@ccs.covici.com> <20110103014803.GA8557@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <8604.1294021943@ccs.covici.com> <20110103031403.GA9422@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <20110103132243.GB32757@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Comments: In-reply-to Steve Holmes message dated "Mon, 03 Jan 2011 06:22:43 -0700." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.2; nmh 1.3; GNU Emacs 23.2.1 Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 09:29:37 -0500 Message-ID: <16931.1294064977@ccs.covici.com> From: covici@ccs.covici.com Subject: Re: [orca-list] unusual behavior with latest master? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 14:29:56 -0000 Yep, that did it -- putting the export in the run orca script did it, I am sure I loseon upgrade -- oh well. The overwriting settings only happens with gdm, with the normal user its fine -- I wonder -- it must think there are no settings or something. I wonder how it knew before about speech dispatcher? Steve Holmes wrote: > GDM is broken in several ways right now. First off, to get the > environment variable to be recognized by Orca, you will have to modify > the /usr/bin/orca file directly and insert the following line > . /etc/profile.d/speechd.sh > at the top of the runorca function. > > Now this speechd.sh script merely sets the environment variable on my > system when speech dispatcher is started. If you start speech > dispatcher by some other method, then you could insert the export > speechd parameter in this spot instead. The bottom line here is Orca > does not see the environment when started with gem; I don't know why. > > The other problem you are having is with the new orca settings, they > keep getting overwritten even when I create new ones. This bug has > been noted. > > On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 02:14:03PM +1100, Jason White wrote: > > covici@ccs.covici.com wrote: > > > > > I usually start gdm, but its shell isn ologin, so I ampuzzled. Also, I > > > did put a line in my .bashrc figuring it would login and pick it up > > > there, but nothing happened. Also, for gdm the orca settings get copied > > > from somewhere each time I start gdm -- is this by design? > > > > Yes, I think it is, since obviously the configuration shouldn't be read from your > > home directory until you log in (at least, not in a multi-user environment, > > which Linux inherently provides). > > > > You could try setting your environment variable in /etc/rc.local in case that > > helps. there might be a gdm configuration option that you need to preserve > > environment variables as well - have a look at the gdm documentation, or wait > > for a reply from someone who knows gdm. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > orca-list mailing list > > orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici covici@ccs.covici.com From jmlwsk@toast.net Mon Jan 3 14:35:46 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9A4075033F for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 14:35:46 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.011 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.011 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RKnR+TYJs02o for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 14:35:43 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 669 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 14:35:43 UTC Received: from neon.toast.net (neon.toast.net [65.203.23.149]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73483750220 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 14:35:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from JRG2XC1 (unverified [99.62.61.22]) by neon.toast.net (Vircom SMTPRS 5.0.916.3) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 09:24:23 -0500 X-Modus-BlackList: 99.62.61.22=OK;jmlwsk@toast.net=OK X-Modus-Trusted: 99.62.61.22=NO X-Modus-Audit: FALSE;0;0;0 From: "Jeffrey Malewski" To: Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 09:17:42 -0500 Message-ID: <000001cbab50$fccedd60$4101a8c0@JRG2XC1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01CBAB27.13F8D560" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcurUPjG3q+8ti7RQAynuIC+qSrKeQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Subject: [orca-list] Orca Gnome - A Great Job! X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 14:35:46 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CBAB27.13F8D560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello everyone, I just wanted to say Thank You for your outstanding work and making Linux accessable for those of us who are blind or visually impaired. In late 2007 I had a look at Ubuntu and Linux Mint as an alternative to Windows for the computers I was rebuilding for resale. I had issues with both while trying to do an accessable install, mostly with the "split screen" magnification. I joined the Mint forums and exchanged several emails with Willie Walker regarding the issue. 2008 was a hectic year, and I didn't have much time for building computers. I did have the opportunity to chat with a young man I met through the Toledo Sight Center. He is working tech support for Buckeye Cable and is running Ubuntu on both his home pc and his laptop. He only uses Windows at work. Guy Lutz is totally blind and his OS of choice is Ubuntu with Orca Gnome running. He told me about the "full screen" magnification that was part of Orca. He told me of a Ubuntu release for the blind and visually impaired, and I was hoping that would soon be incorporated into the Mint release. I was unable to find Orca in the Mint 7 release, and assumed the Mint team had dropped the Gnome desktop deferring to the KDE desktop instead. I've learned since then that it is still there, but has to be installed through the package manager. 2009 took me into gardening and growing my own tobacco. The purchase of commercial seed in January 2010 led me to start the "Black Swamp Tobacco Co" and I origionally intended to host the web site frome home. Windows doesn't give me the support I need for the Apache http and email servers, I can run one but not both, so now that my crop is in the barn I've taken another look at Linux. I've tried several of the Ubuntu releases, smoking a stick of Ram in "full screen" mode on Ubuntu 10.10 and backed up from there trying to find one less resource demanding. I had login issues with both server editions I looked at and ended up at 9.04. Apparently I missed something during the install and lacked root privileges so I was unable to configure the servers. Last night I found myself at your home page looking for another OS that supports Orca. Your reference to Vinux was a big help! I've downloaded the ISO and run the installation which was fully accessable every step of the way. IT'S REAL! I'm no longer trapped in Windows. I hope to get Apache installed today, and get the website up and runing in the next day or two. Once I do, I'll be glad to donate server space or anything else I can do to help. I'm also going to contact the Vinux team and offer to host a download mirror for them. Thank you for some great work. You guys are awesome! Jeff Malewski jmlwsk@toast.net ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CBAB27.13F8D560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello=20 everyone,
I just = wanted to say=20 Thank You for your outstanding work and making Linux accessable for = those of us=20 who are blind or visually impaired. In late 2007 I had a look at Ubuntu = and=20 Linux Mint as an alternative to Windows for the computers I was = rebuilding for=20 resale. I had issues with both while trying to do an accessable install, = mostly=20 with the "split screen" magnification. I joined the Mint forums and = exchanged=20 several emails with Willie Walker regarding the issue. 2008 was a hectic = year,=20 and I didn't have much time for building computers. I did have the = opportunity=20 to chat with a young man I met through the Toledo Sight Center. He is = working=20 tech support for Buckeye Cable and is running Ubuntu on both his home pc = and his=20 laptop. He only uses Windows at work. Guy Lutz is totally blind and his = OS of=20 choice is Ubuntu with Orca Gnome running. He told me about the "full = screen"=20 magnification that was part of Orca. He told me of a Ubuntu release for = the=20 blind and visually impaired, and I was hoping that would soon be = incorporated=20 into the Mint release. I was unable to find Orca in the Mint 7 release, = and=20 assumed the Mint team had dropped the Gnome desktop deferring to the KDE = desktop=20 instead. I've learned since then that it is still there, but has to be = installed=20 through the package manager. 2009 took me into gardening and growing my = own=20 tobacco. The purchase of commercial seed in January 2010 led me to start = the=20 "Black Swamp Tobacco Co" and I origionally intended to host the web site = frome=20 home. Windows doesn't give me the support I need for the Apache http and = email=20 servers, I can run one but not both, so now that my crop is in the barn = I've=20 taken another look at Linux. I've tried several of the Ubuntu releases, = smoking=20 a stick of Ram in "full screen" mode on Ubuntu 10.10 and backed up from = there=20 trying to find one less resource demanding. I had login issues with both = server=20 editions I looked at and ended up at 9.04. Apparently I missed something = during=20 the install and lacked root privileges so I was unable to configure the = servers.=20 Last night I found myself at your home page looking for another OS that = supports=20 Orca. Your reference to Vinux was a big help!  I've downloaded the = ISO and=20 run the installation which was fully accessable every step of the=20 way.
 
IT'S = REAL!  I'm=20 no longer trapped in Windows. I hope to get Apache installed today, and = get the=20 website up and runing in the next day or two. Once I do, I'll be glad to = donate=20 server space or anything else I can do to help. I'm also going to = contact the=20 Vinux team and offer to host a download mirror for = them.
 
Thank = you for some=20 great work. You guys are awesome!
 
Jeff=20 Malewski
jmlwsk@toast.net
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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CBAB27.13F8D560-- From steve.holmes88@gmail.com Mon Jan 3 17:07:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7799750481 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 17:07:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.059 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.059 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=1.553, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RFC_ABUSE_POST=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GD=0.077, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OWxQyjsVnGSH for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 17:07:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A97C750334 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 17:07:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxh35 with SMTP id 35so6049192yxh.27 for ; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 09:07:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=2GtypQJsxAUOpC2IZjaZLagp/wVAdk3qsHBXimtPIVQ=; b=Teg67mEpdCjc0IMjndRHR6+T78nGzhyPzaSptw3EiYvemg6Vjdi4RZ7ZAfdT7ndHT2 AT7dXGLABeXwkSgNZ/+6wDeMIwOJPY9eJXV6kefxvQqQ3JlA8087pGd+VMou6EnigrEB AOjzjjlmX1ttaGOb11yZa4o0ZasHuCAu7wPWw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; b=ijVAjQWFz3D5KKFGCuGP9dmqwMdJEdrEARWzRNZYsXby8QOgPO5f6WWeI8Pm6VjR0C N4Y9gCUCELEhAZgq/cC0QBqdqFeIUweyLgb9PJo/nKFNkdFCIGl0rusKxNsvx11lOoh8 koYasiwpY/2dXbGl0a4e31eSkreiHVDMSg/UI= Received: by 10.236.105.129 with SMTP id k1mr9586242yhg.2.1294074448711; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 09:07:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from lnx3.holmesgrown.com (ip72-208-185-148.ph.ph.cox.net [72.208.185.148]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i20sm377753yhd.41.2011.01.03.09.07.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 03 Jan 2011 09:07:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 10:07:24 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110103170724.GC3221@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <5557.1294012427@ccs.covici.com> <20110103005213.GB24372@football.tbsaunde.org> <6917.1294018762@ccs.covici.com> <20110103014803.GA8557@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <8604.1294021943@ccs.covici.com> <20110103031403.GA9422@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <20110103132243.GB32757@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> <16931.1294064977@ccs.covici.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <16931.1294064977@ccs.covici.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] unusual behavior with latest master? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 17:07:41 -0000 Yes, you will lose that export line on every upgrade of orca. What I do is keep a copy of the modified orca script in my root user directory and then after each upgrade, copy this file back to /usr/bin. I just diff the files to be sure no changes were made to this run script. I think I need to some how modify orca's start up script to inherit the environment under gdm; don't know how to do this though. You will notice a lot of other environment variables are also being set in this script like PYTHONPATH and others. The problem is, not everyone uses speech dispatcher and further, not everyone uses speech dispatcher as a central service with inet sockets. Those who use speech dispatcher with autospawning at the user level will not experience these problems. But there are other advantages to running speech dispatcher as a single central service which have been debated before. On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 09:29:37AM -0500, covici@ccs.covici.com wrote: > Yep, that did it -- putting the export in the run orca script did it, I > am sure I loseon upgrade -- oh well. The overwriting settings only > happens with gdm, with the normal user its fine -- I wonder -- it must > think there are no settings or something. I wonder how it knew before > about speech dispatcher? > > Steve Holmes wrote: > > > GDM is broken in several ways right now. First off, to get the > > environment variable to be recognized by Orca, you will have to modify > > the /usr/bin/orca file directly and insert the following line > > . /etc/profile.d/speechd.sh > > at the top of the runorca function. > > > > Now this speechd.sh script merely sets the environment variable on my > > system when speech dispatcher is started. If you start speech > > dispatcher by some other method, then you could insert the export > > speechd parameter in this spot instead. The bottom line here is Orca > > does not see the environment when started with gem; I don't know why. > > > > The other problem you are having is with the new orca settings, they > > keep getting overwritten even when I create new ones. This bug has > > been noted. > > > > On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 02:14:03PM +1100, Jason White wrote: > > > covici@ccs.covici.com wrote: > > > > > > > I usually start gdm, but its shell isn ologin, so I ampuzzled. Also, I > > > > did put a line in my .bashrc figuring it would login and pick it up > > > > there, but nothing happened. Also, for gdm the orca settings get copied > > > > from somewhere each time I start gdm -- is this by design? > > > > > > Yes, I think it is, since obviously the configuration shouldn't be read from your > > > home directory until you log in (at least, not in a multi-user environment, > > > which Linux inherently provides). > > > > > > You could try setting your environment variable in /etc/rc.local in case that > > > helps. there might be a gdm configuration option that you need to preserve > > > environment variables as well - have a look at the gdm documentation, or wait > > > for a reply from someone who knows gdm. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > orca-list mailing list > > > orca-list@gnome.org > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > > > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > > > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > _______________________________________________ > > orca-list mailing list > > orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > -- > Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: > How do > you spend it? > > John Covici > covici@ccs.covici.com > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From znvyyvfgf@gmail.com Mon Jan 3 17:38:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EAB87504AE for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 17:38:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.989 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.989 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RFC_ABUSE_POST=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8t+xagMp8XGF for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 17:38:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFEF0750491 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 17:38:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyb26 with SMTP id 26so13555389iyb.27 for ; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 09:38:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=6fb+EdKZgE3OdHdfD+e18tc/a2A7Xmh9QsCn4RgEAXM=; b=sXKBT5qaMQNXCYxwois/KeTMlQEM1yGKtrRpAPt7Eln1qjpkti/ZM48ZLiA8C3mSXa dFpvhe96gieh5PcxokdC8LybYrYNTLcahLYTE4Nf8PXzqU3/5JT8GxuEtVQBuvR3TduP AoAFZFIXBhAFAjj5gv40o/vzRtPCBXkWP56/w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=TG3amS2WK10uPbWNTxh/y6MecNBGl+q3FBnuvdZrGICqifSWQsXGmRQQ3FWWkzME6L wvGOh2OX4FxMlbnfwtTBQ1sjqq/avxs0akKfWgna+Hmrc4kOGGIgyJ4D2qQDrAx89iSI Mm9RZ99IPbvvNtiXTNvYMBdi6z6OeAWgpFfKA= Received: by 10.42.167.202 with SMTP id t10mr11997030icy.60.1294076326068; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 09:38:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (c-76-127-93-92.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [76.127.93.92]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8sm18998238iba.16.2011.01.03.09.38.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 03 Jan 2011 09:38:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 17:43:03 +0000 From: Frost To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110103174303.GA9115@rivensight.dyndns.org> References: <5557.1294012427@ccs.covici.com> <20110103005213.GB24372@football.tbsaunde.org> <6917.1294018762@ccs.covici.com> <20110103014803.GA8557@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <8604.1294021943@ccs.covici.com> <20110103031403.GA9422@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <20110103132243.GB32757@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> <16931.1294064977@ccs.covici.com> <20110103170724.GC3221@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110103170724.GC3221@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: [orca-list] unusual behavior with latest master? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 17:38:58 -0000 On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 10:07:24AM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote: > Yes, you will lose that export line on every upgrade of orca. > I think I need to some how modify orca's start up script to > inherit the environment under gdm; don't know how to do this though. Isn't ther a "source" or "include" command at the end of the configuration file which could point to user modifications, ones that couldn't be overwritten on an upgrade? Michael From mario.mannea@fuse.net Mon Jan 3 17:40:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A09B750491 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 17:40:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.834 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.834 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GD=0.077, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UyMp6fCx+Xkb for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 17:39:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-out3.fuse.net (mail-out3.fuse.net [216.68.8.175]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E22C7750308 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 17:39:50 +0000 (UTC) X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=bUKN2dkHBWQl/2mizxdJ305Lt4eZ7uuIbgbeqn7BXYU= c=1 sm=0 a=DHbtqOZHzs8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=aiIX5UjjAAAA:8 a=uJ_w1ttZAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=ERRVCFIXAAAA:8 a=pClstKzKAAAA:8 a=kcRrK7CiyeH5VdJlY5wA:9 a=9ZuhXj9Q9bOKDGRjD70A:7 a=2jJV_VXQu4pTbMmtTbxuQVXpdk8A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=RGeD4FLf3sUA:10 a=Un6_-olZ3M8A:10 a=yauLTTMCv9sA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=3A9lNKN2IPAA:10 a=5AeJdjsN3_pNEn5B:21 a=JUF8NCisjwHvtM2n:21 a=bIwuZ0NVtKVLTHSBHcWmjQ==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: ecout2 smtp.mail=mario.mannea@fuse.net; spf=unknown Received-SPF: error (ecout2: 72.49.15.152 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [72.49.15.152] ([72.49.15.152:50949] helo=APOLLO) by ecout2 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 56/D0-21215-3E9022D4; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 12:39:47 -0500 From: "Mario Mannea" To: Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 12:39:49 -0500 Message-ID: <5779CB6BB6774272B3F5D5A9B5E0879F@APOLLO> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 In-Reply-To: Subject: [orca-list] anyone with experience going from JAWS/Windoes to ORCA/LINUV? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 17:40:04 -0000 Hello All I am a recent addition to this mailing list. I've not made the transition, from Windows/JAWS to LINUX/ORCA. I want to learn, in greater detail, what I'm getting into. And yes, I am blind, as of ten years ago, now retired from large high-tech company, software development, r&d. And yes, in the early years, we developed on UNIX i.e. AIX &ULTRIX. Any words of wisdom, based on experience, out there? Mario -----Original Message----- From: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] On Behalf Of orca-list-request@gnome.org Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 12:08 PM To: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: orca-list Digest, Vol 60, Issue 6 Send orca-list mailing list submissions to orca-list@gnome.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to orca-list-request@gnome.org You can reach the person managing the list at orca-list-owner@gnome.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of orca-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Firefox 4 question (Steve Holmes) 2. Re: unusual behavior with latest master? (Steve Holmes) 3. Re: unusual behavior with latest master? (covici@ccs.covici.com) 4. Orca Gnome - A Great Job! (Jeffrey Malewski) 5. Re: unusual behavior with latest master? (Steve Holmes) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 06:09:04 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Firefox 4 question Message-ID: <20110103130904.GA32757@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've run into similar situations from time to time with 4.0 Beta and I could sometimes remedy the problem by reloading the page with Ctrl+r. It was especially bad when the default Mozilla Google page. When aI changed it to something else, I have not had the problem lately. It might be fixed with later nightly builds of the program as well. On Sun, Jan 02, 2011 at 11:58:07AM -0800, Tom Masterson wrote: > I have installed firefox 4.0 from the daily builds ppa site for > ubuntu Maverick and am using Orca Master. When I open firefox AKA > Minefield orca stops speaking and showing things on the braille > display. Any ideas what is happening here? > > Tom > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 06:22:43 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] unusual behavior with latest master? Message-ID: <20110103132243.GB32757@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii GDM is broken in several ways right now. First off, to get the environment variable to be recognized by Orca, you will have to modify the /usr/bin/orca file directly and insert the following line . /etc/profile.d/speechd.sh at the top of the runorca function. Now this speechd.sh script merely sets the environment variable on my system when speech dispatcher is started. If you start speech dispatcher by some other method, then you could insert the export speechd parameter in this spot instead. The bottom line here is Orca does not see the environment when started with gem; I don't know why. The other problem you are having is with the new orca settings, they keep getting overwritten even when I create new ones. This bug has been noted. On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 02:14:03PM +1100, Jason White wrote: > covici@ccs.covici.com wrote: > > > I usually start gdm, but its shell isn ologin, so I ampuzzled. Also, I > > did put a line in my .bashrc figuring it would login and pick it up > > there, but nothing happened. Also, for gdm the orca settings get copied > > from somewhere each time I start gdm -- is this by design? > > Yes, I think it is, since obviously the configuration shouldn't be read from your > home directory until you log in (at least, not in a multi-user environment, > which Linux inherently provides). > > You could try setting your environment variable in /etc/rc.local in case that > helps. there might be a gdm configuration option that you need to preserve > environment variables as well - have a look at the gdm documentation, or wait > for a reply from someone who knows gdm. > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 09:29:37 -0500 From: covici@ccs.covici.com To: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] unusual behavior with latest master? Message-ID: <16931.1294064977@ccs.covici.com> Yep, that did it -- putting the export in the run orca script did it, I am sure I loseon upgrade -- oh well. The overwriting settings only happens with gdm, with the normal user its fine -- I wonder -- it must think there are no settings or something. I wonder how it knew before about speech dispatcher? Steve Holmes wrote: > GDM is broken in several ways right now. First off, to get the > environment variable to be recognized by Orca, you will have to modify > the /usr/bin/orca file directly and insert the following line > . /etc/profile.d/speechd.sh > at the top of the runorca function. > > Now this speechd.sh script merely sets the environment variable on my > system when speech dispatcher is started. If you start speech > dispatcher by some other method, then you could insert the export > speechd parameter in this spot instead. The bottom line here is Orca > does not see the environment when started with gem; I don't know why. > > The other problem you are having is with the new orca settings, they > keep getting overwritten even when I create new ones. This bug has > been noted. > > On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 02:14:03PM +1100, Jason White wrote: > > covici@ccs.covici.com wrote: > > > > > I usually start gdm, but its shell isn ologin, so I ampuzzled. Also, I > > > did put a line in my .bashrc figuring it would login and pick it up > > > there, but nothing happened. Also, for gdm the orca settings get copied > > > from somewhere each time I start gdm -- is this by design? > > > > Yes, I think it is, since obviously the configuration shouldn't be read from your > > home directory until you log in (at least, not in a multi-user environment, > > which Linux inherently provides). > > > > You could try setting your environment variable in /etc/rc.local in case that > > helps. there might be a gdm configuration option that you need to preserve > > environment variables as well - have a look at the gdm documentation, or wait > > for a reply from someone who knows gdm. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > orca-list mailing list > > orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici covici@ccs.covici.com ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 09:17:42 -0500 From: "Jeffrey Malewski" To: Subject: [orca-list] Orca Gnome - A Great Job! Message-ID: <000001cbab50$fccedd60$4101a8c0@JRG2XC1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello everyone, I just wanted to say Thank You for your outstanding work and making Linux accessable for those of us who are blind or visually impaired. In late 2007 I had a look at Ubuntu and Linux Mint as an alternative to Windows for the computers I was rebuilding for resale. I had issues with both while trying to do an accessable install, mostly with the "split screen" magnification. I joined the Mint forums and exchanged several emails with Willie Walker regarding the issue. 2008 was a hectic year, and I didn't have much time for building computers. I did have the opportunity to chat with a young man I met through the Toledo Sight Center. He is working tech support for Buckeye Cable and is running Ubuntu on both his home pc and his laptop. He only uses Windows at work. Guy Lutz is totally blind and his OS of choice is Ubuntu with Orca Gnome running. He told me about the "full screen" magnification that was part of Orca. He told me of a Ubuntu release for the blind and visually impaired, and I was hoping that would soon be incorporated into the Mint release. I was unable to find Orca in the Mint 7 release, and assumed the Mint team had dropped the Gnome desktop deferring to the KDE desktop instead. I've learned since then that it is still there, but has to be installed through the package manager. 2009 took me into gardening and growing my own tobacco. The purchase of commercial seed in January 2010 led me to start the "Black Swamp Tobacco Co" and I origionally intended to host the web site frome home. Windows doesn't give me the support I need for the Apache http and email servers, I can run one but not both, so now that my crop is in the barn I've taken another look at Linux. I've tried several of the Ubuntu releases, smoking a stick of Ram in "full screen" mode on Ubuntu 10.10 and backed up from there trying to find one less resource demanding. I had login issues with both server editions I looked at and ended up at 9.04. Apparently I missed something during the install and lacked root privileges so I was unable to configure the servers. Last night I found myself at your home page looking for another OS that supports Orca. Your reference to Vinux was a big help! I've downloaded the ISO and run the installation which was fully accessable every step of the way. IT'S REAL! I'm no longer trapped in Windows. I hope to get Apache installed today, and get the website up and runing in the next day or two. Once I do, I'll be glad to donate server space or anything else I can do to help. I'm also going to contact the Vinux team and offer to host a download mirror for them. Thank you for some great work. You guys are awesome! Jeff Malewski jmlwsk@toast.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 10:07:24 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] unusual behavior with latest master? Message-ID: <20110103170724.GC3221@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yes, you will lose that export line on every upgrade of orca. What I do is keep a copy of the modified orca script in my root user directory and then after each upgrade, copy this file back to /usr/bin. I just diff the files to be sure no changes were made to this run script. I think I need to some how modify orca's start up script to inherit the environment under gdm; don't know how to do this though. You will notice a lot of other environment variables are also being set in this script like PYTHONPATH and others. The problem is, not everyone uses speech dispatcher and further, not everyone uses speech dispatcher as a central service with inet sockets. Those who use speech dispatcher with autospawning at the user level will not experience these problems. But there are other advantages to running speech dispatcher as a single central service which have been debated before. On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 09:29:37AM -0500, covici@ccs.covici.com wrote: > Yep, that did it -- putting the export in the run orca script did it, I > am sure I loseon upgrade -- oh well. The overwriting settings only > happens with gdm, with the normal user its fine -- I wonder -- it must > think there are no settings or something. I wonder how it knew before > about speech dispatcher? > > Steve Holmes wrote: > > > GDM is broken in several ways right now. First off, to get the > > environment variable to be recognized by Orca, you will have to modify > > the /usr/bin/orca file directly and insert the following line > > . /etc/profile.d/speechd.sh > > at the top of the runorca function. > > > > Now this speechd.sh script merely sets the environment variable on my > > system when speech dispatcher is started. If you start speech > > dispatcher by some other method, then you could insert the export > > speechd parameter in this spot instead. The bottom line here is Orca > > does not see the environment when started with gem; I don't know why. > > > > The other problem you are having is with the new orca settings, they > > keep getting overwritten even when I create new ones. This bug has > > been noted. > > > > On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 02:14:03PM +1100, Jason White wrote: > > > covici@ccs.covici.com wrote: > > > > > > > I usually start gdm, but its shell isn ologin, so I ampuzzled. Also, I > > > > did put a line in my .bashrc figuring it would login and pick it up > > > > there, but nothing happened. Also, for gdm the orca settings get copied > > > > from somewhere each time I start gdm -- is this by design? > > > > > > Yes, I think it is, since obviously the configuration shouldn't be read from your > > > home directory until you log in (at least, not in a multi-user environment, > > > which Linux inherently provides). > > > > > > You could try setting your environment variable in /etc/rc.local in case that > > > helps. there might be a gdm configuration option that you need to preserve > > > environment variables as well - have a look at the gdm documentation, or wait > > > for a reply from someone who knows gdm. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > orca-list mailing list > > > orca-list@gnome.org > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > > > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > > > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > _______________________________________________ > > orca-list mailing list > > orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > -- > Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: > How do > you spend it? > > John Covici > covici@ccs.covici.com > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list End of orca-list Digest, Vol 60, Issue 6 **************************************** From steve.holmes88@gmail.com Mon Jan 3 22:22:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D5E47505A0 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 22:22:25 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.136 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.136 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=1.553, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RFC_ABUSE_POST=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4BMOQ5XWnjyZ for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 22:22:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66E2A750597 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 22:22:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywp6 with SMTP id 6so6154629ywp.27 for ; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 14:22:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=3zK/Txj1P8mlsYh5ZMyUrR5OUuHVAsJRwy3tijIffTs=; b=lzf5InbgLYPiaa2Emw+Mh+krjHZ7XreY+lyqkb3tYHxwoZqPEAruy8XsIxgjXVVj5y qsernWSv4VqNmqL50TbXrCUFBtyPYxAhhI7rx7Ld0vrsDwlfvHYayY+X3nREFwgmxSvr apVJjBGfwI2fa4fIFuSdKXtATwEJqU7hz3O2A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; b=XLvxv3OiokKQeeoU8pS5W4XFY3/U5IfOrv08r/wA6PL2EfiLtWhNRPdctSIU/LFSAC uMu53jgHYDxL970Hjl5FXRCcxs9cY3DVxzQ6wzxNPT5C5S1IdDNzzsIqHvTCDwcgOAeb BQNphCVyv5s1t7/+L587CTAWXiGZGRyOVojDo= Received: by 10.236.95.173 with SMTP id p33mr4225436yhf.44.1294093332374; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 14:22:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from lnx3.holmesgrown.com (ip72-208-185-148.ph.ph.cox.net [72.208.185.148]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i60sm12590233yhj.17.2011.01.03.14.22.10 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 03 Jan 2011 14:22:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 15:22:07 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110103222207.GA8784@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <5557.1294012427@ccs.covici.com> <20110103005213.GB24372@football.tbsaunde.org> <6917.1294018762@ccs.covici.com> <20110103014803.GA8557@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <8604.1294021943@ccs.covici.com> <20110103031403.GA9422@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <20110103132243.GB32757@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> <16931.1294064977@ccs.covici.com> <20110103170724.GC3221@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> <20110103174303.GA9115@rivensight.dyndns.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110103174303.GA9115@rivensight.dyndns.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] unusual behavior with latest master? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 22:22:25 -0000 I'm not sure what configuration file you are speaking of. This environment information needs to be available at the time Orca is starting up. Since other variables are being set inside this startup script, it seems the appropriate place to set the speech dispatcher parm. I may just add a patch to it for Arch Linux users and include it in the PKGBUILD for Arch users. This might be done via different method for other distributions. On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 05:43:03PM +0000, Frost wrote: > On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 10:07:24AM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote: > > Yes, you will lose that export line on every upgrade of orca. > > I think I need to some how modify orca's start up script to > > inherit the environment under gdm; don't know how to do this though. > > Isn't ther a "source" or "include" command at the end of the > configuration file which could point to user modifications, ones that > couldn't be overwritten on an upgrade? > > Michael > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From hammera@pickup.hu Tue Jan 4 09:32:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E60E8750620 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 09:32:42 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.833 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.833 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, TW_IB=0.077, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q-gFxP8wmUqq for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 09:32:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93B22750543 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 09:32:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id F0620E867A for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 11:12:33 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D22E92C.5020703@pickup.hu> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 10:32:28 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Howto: converting from Mallard help pages to HTML documentation X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 09:32:43 -0000 Hy, I found a pronounce solution to convert Mallard documentation help page with HTML or XHTML format. If you are interesting, need doing following: 1. Download with libxslt source from http://git.gnome.org/libxslt repository. 2. Download yelp-xsl source from http://git.gnome.org/yelp-xsl git repository. 3. Download yelp-tools from http://git.gnome.org/yelp-tools repository. All packages are need compiling and installing with general way: ./autogen.sh make >/dev/NULL make install >/dev/NULL The order is following: - libxslt -yelp-xsl - yelp-tools If any package require a special dependency, please install and try again the package configuration, compiling and installation. How can doing you the conversion? 1. First, create a directory with you working, for example: mkdir orca-doc 2. After this, copy your locale .page files from orca/help/your_locale directory, for example: cp /orca/help/es/*.page orca-doc Better method if you replace the path with /usr/local/share/gnome/help/your_locale/*, but this is path depending with your installation prefix. For example: cp -r /usr/local/share/gnome/help/orca/es/* orca-doc The advantage of this second method you don't need manual copying the figures with orca source directory/help/C locale. 3. If this second step is done, you go to you created working directory with you prewious copyed all important files, for example the orca-doc directory. You need doing following commands: yelp-build cache *.page This step creating index.cache file. mkdir html This command creating the output directory with you would like creating the HTML converted help pages after the final conversion. yelp-build html -o html *.page This command doing final conversion, and putting resulted html files with the html directory (-o option). Some very interesting experiences after the final conversion: When I looked the final converted index.html file, similar with Yelp Orca does'nt spokening link word if the caret positioned a section (I used arrow keys, more with Up and Down arrow keys). When I looking this links with Tab or Shift+Tab key, Orca right spokening the title and short description with the section (desc attributed short description in translation po files). I tested the converted HTML pages with Mozilla Firefox 3.6 and latest Orca git master version. Joanie, if you trying this conversion possible fix this problem if I sending a debug.out file with a bugreport to see what happening this situation when Orca not identify links with arrow key navigation? This problem reproducable same with Lucid packaged 2.30.0 and Natty packaged Yelp version (2.32 version packaged now in Natty). I hope this howto help peoples with would like this new fantastic Orca manual with HTML or XHTML format. 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Tue, 4 Jan 2011 10:12:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c9yLRPsIAX9E for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 10:12:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C87E7504D8 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 10:12:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id 5E03AE8299 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 11:52:29 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D22F287.1070906@pickup.hu> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 11:12:23 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D22ECA3.2090504@pickup.hu> In-Reply-To: <4D22ECA3.2090504@pickup.hu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Film linkek X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 10:12:35 -0000 Sorry, this is wrong letter, I give wrong address. :-):-) Attila From hammera@pickup.hu Tue Jan 4 11:49:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAB2F75062A for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 11:49:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o54dIHJNPASo for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 11:49:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24D3C750629 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 11:49:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id 3ED00E82C9 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 13:29:37 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D23094B.4020306@pickup.hu> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 12:49:31 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D104356.903@pickup.hu> <1292960365.7871.3.camel@blockhead> In-Reply-To: <1292960365.7871.3.camel@blockhead> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] New Orca documentation will be awailable with library.gnome.org X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 11:49:45 -0000 Dear List, I have got a good news if anybody like library.gnome.org: The new Orca documentation is awailable with library.gnome.org. The link is following: http://library.gnome.org/users/orca/2.91/ This is happened automaticaly. Attila From hammera@pickup.hu Tue Jan 4 12:09:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9E607503B2 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 12:09:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Te50ZIKizkBu for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 12:09:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C587D750249 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 12:09:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id E93FDE81A3 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 13:49:16 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D230DE7.3040900@pickup.hu> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 13:09:11 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] I think I found why not spokening any word Orca with Mallard format sections X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 12:09:24 -0000 Dear List, I think I found why not speak and marking braille Orca any word with mallard style sections. This is an important problem. For example I opened the library.gnome.org Orca documentation page, and doing some arrow key press (down arrow key press). Debug.out file containing following informations: vvvvv PROCESS KEY PRESS EVENT Down vvvvv KEYEVENT: type=1 id=65364 hw_code=116 modifiers=8192 event_string=(Down) is_text=True timestamp=21435267 time=1294141819.344013 KEYBOARDEVENT: type=1 id=65364 hw_code=116 modifiers=0 event_string=(Down) keyval_name=(Down) is_text=True timestamp=21435267 time=1294141819.344404 orca.isModifierKey: returning: False ----------> QUEUEING KEYRELEASE 'Down' (116) LOCUS OF FOCUS: app='Firefox' name='' role='section' event=None SPEECH OUTPUT: 'The "Learn" Modes' BRAILLE LINE: 'The "Learn" Modes' VISIBLE: 'The "Learn" Modes', cursor=1 When I testing, I using following link: http://library.gnome.org/users/orca/2.91/ What possible to doing this situation? Possible spokening the "link" word if the caret positioning a section with arrow keys? When I using Tab key, Orca wonderful spokening the title and short description with a section, and spokening and marking braille with this section is a link. When I tested, I used Mozilla Firefox 3.6 and latest Orca git master version. I see equals problem with Yelp 2.30 and 2.32 version too. In Lucid, packaged officialy the Yelp 2.30.0 version, In Natty, packaged official the 2.32.1 version. I reported this bug with following bugreport: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=638645 Attila From hammera@pickup.hu Tue Jan 4 12:32:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48CBA750613 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 12:32:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qVYr-8MsySMT for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 12:32:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A25F2750606 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 12:32:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id 69BA9E86A9 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 14:12:50 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D23136D.1090205@pickup.hu> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 13:32:45 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D230DE7.3040900@pickup.hu> In-Reply-To: <4D230DE7.3040900@pickup.hu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] I think I found why not spokening any word Orca with Mallard format sections X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 12:32:57 -0000 Sorry, I wrote wrong Yelp version for Natty: Natty containing now 2.30.2 Yelp version. Attila From mj@mjw.se Wed Jan 5 00:42:46 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00DD875064E for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 00:42:46 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lV9WkYj4cz-F for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 00:42:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mjw.se (mjw.se [88.80.29.25]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E76BC7502EB for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 00:42:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [85.226.22.220] (c-dc16e255.457-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se [85.226.22.220]) by mjw.se (vPostMaster) with ESMTP id 0DC5D3DF440 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 01:43:04 +0100 (CET) From: mattias To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 01:42:28 +0100 Message-ID: <1294188148.13889.2.camel@debian> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.30.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] solaris X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 00:42:46 -0000 wich solaris works with orca From peter.korn@oracle.com Wed Jan 5 01:18:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96FC6750A12 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 01:18:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.385 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.385 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SARE_GIF_ATTACH=1.42, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i-fNAct1zbgE for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 01:18:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com (rcsinet10.oracle.com [148.87.113.121]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 541AC750693 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 01:18:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rcsinet13.oracle.com (rcsinet13.oracle.com [148.87.113.125]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id p051IRP5008844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Jan 2011 01:18:29 GMT Received: from acsmt353.oracle.com (acsmt353.oracle.com [141.146.40.153]) by rcsinet13.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id p051IQ1H025119; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 01:18:26 GMT Received: from abhmt018.oracle.com by acsmt353.oracle.com with ESMTP id 899065401294190260; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 17:17:40 -0800 Received: from [130.35.70.95] (/130.35.70.95) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 17:17:40 -0800 Message-ID: <4D23C6C5.6030201@oracle.com> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 17:17:57 -0800 From: Peter Korn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Lightning/1.0b2 OracleBeehiveExtension/1.0.0.2-OracleInternal ObetStats/LAFCATIAFCAF_1291400656320-561736056 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mattias References: <1294188148.13889.2.camel@debian> In-Reply-To: <1294188148.13889.2.camel@debian> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080008000008040509050603" Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] solaris X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 01:18:41 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080008000008040509050603 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mattias, On 1/4/2011 4:42 PM, mattias wrote: > wich solaris works with orca > Orca is most easily used with systems that it comes included with - it has fairly strong dependencies upon GNOME. Orca has been included with GNOME releases starting with GNOME 2.16. Oracle Solaris 11 Express 2010.11 is based around the GNOME 2.30 desktop, and so includes Orca 2.30. (note that Solaris 10 is based on GNOME 2.6, and so doesn't contain Orca - and it isn't really possible to make Orca work on Solaris 10; not without a complete re-build of GNOME to at least GNOME 2.16). See http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/solaris11/overview/index.html for information about Oracle Solaris 11 Express, and see http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/solaris11/downloads/index.html to download Oracle Solaris 11 Express 2010.11. Regards, Peter -- Oracle Peter Korn | Accessibility Principal Phone: +1 650 5069522 500 Oracle Parkway | Redwood City, CA 94065 Green Oracle Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help protect the environment --------------080008000008040509050603 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------010405070407040400060002" --------------010405070407040400060002 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mattias,

On 1/4/2011 4:42 PM, mattias wrote: 
wich solaris works with orca

Orca is most easily used with systems that it comes included with - it has fairly strong dependencies upon GNOME.  Orca has been included with GNOME releases starting with GNOME 2.16.

Oracle Solaris 11 Express 2010.11 is based around the GNOME 2.30 desktop, and so includes Orca 2.30.  (note that Solaris 10 is based on GNOME 2.6, and so doesn't contain Orca - and it isn't really possible to make Orca work on Solaris 10; not without a complete re-build of GNOME to at least GNOME 2.16).

See http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/solaris11/overview/index.html for information about Oracle Solaris 11 Express, and see http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/solaris11/downloads/index.html to download Oracle Solaris 11 Express 2010.11.


Regards,

Peter
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The link is following: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=636841 Thank you your good work, Attila From dineshthole@gmail.com Wed Jan 5 12:03:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1657750450 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 12:03:45 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.689 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.689 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RFC_ABUSE_POST=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5vJ2Zmv7xJB7 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 12:03:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ww0-f46.google.com (mail-ww0-f46.google.com [74.125.82.46]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BF69750184 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 12:03:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwj40 with SMTP id 40so17685570wwj.27 for ; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 04:03:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=cva5qfJdTDaBJY64K5UmtBvVUTWxKFP7egEsUZOe1Xc=; b=LcqthhCBG/33SDGWFrbyQl8sjXTozFuIZ0ljtLGsk53lbqF4wJN2GkbuC4/PIlJ94K tkglzs1X8DVXHgiXCE1A77zMOicCv45Gbw6Kv3DGsKj2otf+WzQu/CW/rwzOkMuSms+Q kwSzobpiHNJlTP2mqE+OCJEclFbx5JugssY4k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=HB2O4piDOU9GNqcBlXPsFYgnmKoOZ9PcGIFrIkMfJSBQ/cyiFwkkRlrTZNAgJKZg6K MligdZOTORmwEoK/wGj3ztR5M7qxOqaFhhiHQo2tczMv2vljxPU4LuLDlBLIOSM4VjiU vUTR0XtE5vdf6sddH1zSiSa8jJZPjhuwOvhTQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.136.211 with SMTP id s19mr5297540wbt.177.1294229012787; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 04:03:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.134.140 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 04:03:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 17:33:32 +0530 Message-ID: From: DINESH THOLE To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [orca-list] Turning off the laptop screen in vinux. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 12:03:45 -0000 Hello friends, I am using vinux 3.0 with orca. I would like to know if there is any way or a command through wich we can turn off the laptop screen, and continue to work. This will help a lot in saving battory power. Also i want to know, how to update the orca screen reader to the latest build? Please let me know. I am very sorry if this is an off topic post. Thanking you all. Warm regards. Dinesh thole. Email: dineshthole@gmail.com Skype id: dinesh.thole From stormdragon2976@gmail.com Wed Jan 5 12:16:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42FBC750698 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 12:16:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.484 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.484 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=1.553, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FREEMAIL_REPLY=1.929, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RFC_ABUSE_POST=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UBQkmZQdZPqc for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 12:16:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yi0-f54.google.com (mail-yi0-f54.google.com [209.85.218.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AF92750450 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 12:16:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yie19 with SMTP id 19so4298389yie.27 for ; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 04:16:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:in-reply-to :references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=mCeR6cbIBkbUT9ldjk1i9x0p9+qSQANtZzhOR2zmiA0=; b=NgryMmbTlo1d4nh+wZtg8PaZ4h5T3/Yll1mYZwYRBYUH3zrxwb4PDX7iJZ2p+mUauA p+NU3E6MWWNgyhFDbAGw5PLKm48E9KnZhTAFQR3V5/x2MV/Pbfxo7tC4yrAeWhE2C9bi 8TrJoVhVKFuXSF5ROevlgCFalAkNzTJGh0Hcs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id :mime-version:x-mailer; b=YHixH1bWUJ89sNrQ0ueuXBMD9CkxD2h9czexr19R5yx5TlywgWVDY+dr26MLigzRE0 0VGncVTwqX60lOYc4ao6hWGtmR4UX91qOf4bh76PoFJT8Em8TKxfCDhwnoSl82NIxcCT tzzKj/hgy8oDcCmm84dO1uxQxKBA+GQxHZLyc= Received: by 10.100.122.3 with SMTP id u3mr13846010anc.30.1294229804802; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 04:16:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([137.118.186.73]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i10sm30804662anh.12.2011.01.05.04.16.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 05 Jan 2011 04:16:43 -0800 (PST) From: Storm Dragon To: Orca-list In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-B7vuLc6NEVVtJwkVQzGu" Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 07:16:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1294229797.17401.11.camel@stormdragon-laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Turning off the laptop screen in vinux. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 12:16:57 -0000 --=-B7vuLc6NEVVtJwkVQzGu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, you could try monitor-toggle. In terminal: sudo apt-get install monitor-toggle Then to use it type monitor-toggle in the terminal. It will tell you using Espeak if the screen is currently being turned on or off. For info on using the latest version of Orca from git: http://live.gnome.org/Orca/DownloadInstall Follow the instructions in the ubuntu build invirenment section to get everything set up. It also suggests that you update atk and at-spi but every time I try that I run in to trouble, so I have just been pulling and building the latest Orca itself. Everything seems to do ok just by doing that. HTH Storm -- Registered Linux user number 508465: http://counter.li.org/ My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: http://www.stormdragon.us/ My last.fm profile: http://www.last.fm/user/stormdragon2976 On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 17:33 +0530, DINESH THOLE wrote: > Hello friends, > I am using vinux 3.0 with orca. > I would like to know if there is any way or a command through wich we > can turn off the laptop screen, and continue to work. > This will help a lot in saving battory power. > Also i want to know, how to update the orca screen reader to the latest build? > Please let me know. > I am very sorry if this is an off topic post. > Thanking you all. > Warm regards. > Dinesh thole. > Email: dineshthole@gmail.com > Skype id: dinesh.thole > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp --=-B7vuLc6NEVVtJwkVQzGu Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi,
you could try monitor-toggle. In terminal:
sudo apt-get install monitor-toggle
Then to use it type monitor-toggle in the terminal. It will tell you using Espeak if the screen is currently being turned on or off.
For info on using the latest version of Orca from git:
http://live.gnome.org/Orca/DownloadInstall
Follow the instructions in the ubuntu build invirenment section to get everything set up. It also suggests that you update atk and at-spi but every time I try that I run in to trouble, so I have just been pulling and building the latest Orca itself. Everything seems to do ok just by doing that.
HTH
Storm

-- 
Registered Linux user number 508465:
http://counter.li.org/
My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon:
http://www.stormdragon.us/
My last.fm profile:
http://www.last.fm/user/stormdragon2976


On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 17:33 +0530, DINESH THOLE wrote: 
Hello friends,
I am using vinux 3.0 with orca.
I would like to know if there is any way or a command through wich we
can turn off the laptop screen, and continue to work.
This will help a lot in saving battory power.
Also i want to know, how to update the orca screen reader to the latest build?
Please let me know.
I am very sorry if this is an off topic post.
Thanking you all.
Warm regards.
Dinesh thole.
Email: dineshthole@gmail.com
Skype id: dinesh.thole
_______________________________________________
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http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
--=-B7vuLc6NEVVtJwkVQzGu-- From rudolf@vs187184.vserver.de Wed Jan 5 12:37:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41E37750450 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 12:37:18 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VeDXLsEIcWP9 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 12:37:15 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 1157 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 12:37:15 UTC Received: from vs187184.vserver.de (static-ip-62-75-187-184.inaddr.intergenia.de [62.75.187.184]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83EB9750446 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 12:37:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rudolf by vs187184.vserver.de with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PaSJH-0008P2-7w; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 13:17:47 +0100 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 13:17:47 +0100 From: rudolf.weeber@gmx.de To: DINESH THOLE Message-ID: <20110105121747.GA30030@vs187184.vserver.de> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Turning off the laptop screen in vinux. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 12:37:18 -0000 Hi, On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 05:33:32PM +0530, DINESH THOLE wrote: > Hello friends, > I am using vinux 3.0 with orca. > I would like to know if there is any way or a command through wich we > can turn off the laptop screen, and continue to work. Install grandr (it's part of Ubunut, I don't know about vinux) sudo apt-get install grandr Then, in grandr, you can enable or disable individual display ports by (un)checking "off". Regards, Rudolf From vilmar@informal.com.br Wed Jan 5 21:41:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34D62750712 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 21:41:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IalpUYIdYE+r for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 21:41:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay04.email.alog.com.br (relay04.email.alog.com.br [200.219.210.27]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CAAE750726 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 21:41:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay03.email.alog.com.br (relay03.email.alog.com.br [10.0.3.3]) by relay04.email.alog.com.br (Alog-MTA-Corp) with ESMTP id 25A622EE0B8 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 19:39:59 -0200 (BRST) Received: from relay03.email.alog.com.br (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay03.email.alog.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD0D13800BBC for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 19:41:37 -0200 (BRST) Received: from [10.0.1.60] (zecolmeia.informal.com.br [200.152.107.32]) (Authenticated sender: vilmar@informal.com.br) by relay03.email.alog.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTPA id AEB2B3800BB3 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 19:41:37 -0200 (BRST) Message-ID: <4D24E597.5040204@informal.com.br> Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 19:41:43 -0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?Sm9zw6kgVmlsbWFyIEVzdMOhY2lvIGRlIFNvdXph?= Organization: Informal Informatica User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AV: Alog Antivirus OK Subject: Re: [orca-list] Turning off the laptop screen in vinux. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: vilmar@informal.com.br List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 21:41:53 -0000 HI, sudo vbetool dpms off to turn off sudo vbetool dpms on to turn on On 01/05/2011 10:03 AM, DINESH THOLE wrote: > Hello friends, > I am using vinux 3.0 with orca. > I would like to know if there is any way or a command through wich we > can turn off the laptop screen, and continue to work. > This will help a lot in saving battory power. > Also i want to know, how to update the orca screen reader to the latest build? > Please let me know. > I am very sorry if this is an off topic post. > Thanking you all. > Warm regards. > Dinesh thole. > Email: dineshthole@gmail.com > Skype id: dinesh.thole > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From tony.sales@rncb.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 10:49:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7328750C82 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 10:49:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.736 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.736 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=1.164] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TVAhu0BM9q00 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 10:49:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 431 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 10:49:38 UTC Received: from gse-mta-03.emailfiltering.com (gse-mta-03-tx.emailfiltering.com [194.116.198.142]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6CBB750C41 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 10:49:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 195.194.75.242 ([195.194.75.242]) by gse-mta-03.emailfiltering.com with emfmta (version 4.6.0.72) by TLS id 9618344226 for vilmar@informal.com.br; f84a8d70345b463d; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 10:42:12 +0000 Received: from mail1.rncb.ac.uk ([fe80::5dc:133:4980:7051]) by MAIL1.rncb.ac.uk ([fe80::5dc:133:4980:7051%11]) with mapi id 14.01.0218.012; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 10:42:12 +0000 From: Anthony Sales To: "'vilmar@informal.com.br'" Thread-Topic: [orca-list] Turning off the laptop screen in vinux. Thread-Index: AQHLrSFi9RlOqKPNdESyls0bJzZWmJPDwguw Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 10:42:10 +0000 Message-ID: <58C326E7D5A7B84190C31DE21721FF1DC11D13@MAIL1.rncb.ac.uk> References: <4D24E597.5040204@informal.com.br> In-Reply-To: <4D24E597.5040204@informal.com.br> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [192.168.46.126] x-kse-antivirus-interceptor-info: scan successful x-kse-antivirus-info: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "'orca-list@gnome.org'" Subject: Re: [orca-list] Turning off the laptop screen in vinux. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 10:49:42 -0000 You can also turn the monitor on/off by using the ctrl+alt+m keybinding in = Vinux 3.1 in Vinux 3.0 you would have to install monitor-toggle from the Vi= nux Lucid repository, then assign a keybinding to it. -----Original Message----- From: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] On B= ehalf Of Jos=E9 Vilmar Est=E1cio de Souza Sent: 05 January 2011 21:42 To: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Turning off the laptop screen in vinux. HI, sudo vbetool dpms off to turn off sudo vbetool dpms on to turn on On 01/05/2011 10:03 AM, DINESH THOLE wrote: > Hello friends, > I am using vinux 3.0 with orca. > I would like to know if there is any way or a command through wich we > can turn off the laptop screen, and continue to work. > This will help a lot in saving battory power. > Also i want to know, how to update the orca screen reader to the latest b= uild? > Please let me know. > I am very sorry if this is an off topic post. > Thanking you all. > Warm regards. > Dinesh thole. > Email: dineshthole@gmail.com > Skype id: dinesh.thole > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightl= y/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQu= estions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/= ats-2.html The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQues= tions/NetiquetteGuidelines Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From sreejthslash@gmail.com Thu Jan 6 14:07:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F4677505A8 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 14:07:54 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RFC_ABUSE_POST=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09wFbHNvGVGy for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 14:07:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A91475024E for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 14:07:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so9603247bwz.27 for ; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 06:07:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=jIdhIm6vlfyvPf7bpMSL6x7Iq9494AAMegH1+2GRgnM=; b=pnCp6dQVelc2xeg+R92RyRrAWEinQpAQeDBpN6CXeMk2QYG7uIgmoFO/BGv59097A5 FO7MCo5LOmBYYXRWmdIU/3EQymck2OK3UH1X+YHIE/G+t3AKCtfV4yw2SGFhmoxKmttv Dq82FJwtOiyzrfH7S8zxavBjrkAIaELMFsI7Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=SO4vxnU8CTTtSAN/cDgJokTw+Eqhnz6hJFGbTKElJvreO/cyS+1/k9FsmmSDxFlkn6 VRtXjysitbb/aOE+Tb8bW77KQroQJLoiDir9FSDnkzCmwLAjiDipRjCAuu35VLvykwLz XJkRnO/fo3jfuwRvjm0ezrASSbbXnucHnNW40= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.114.81 with SMTP id d17mr11789444bkq.135.1294322861579; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 06:07:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.99.76 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 06:07:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 19:37:41 +0530 Message-ID: From: SREEJITH K To: orca-list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [orca-list] hello friends I am using vinux 3.0 I can't access MPEG files can't copy or play. permission is denyed how can I solv it? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 14:07:54 -0000 -- The flowering of love is meditation. Jiddu Krishnamurti From tony.sales@rncb.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 15:18:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A40775013F for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 15:18:14 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.736 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.736 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=1.164] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9Kdvo-ah9EsT for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 15:18:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from thb-mta-03.emailfiltering.com (thb-mta-03-tx.emailfiltering.com [194.116.199.142]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EA6A75074F for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 15:18:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 195.194.75.242 ([195.194.75.242]) by thb-mta-03.emailfiltering.com with emfmta (version 4.6.0.72) by TLS id 8133772160 for sreejthslash@gmail.com; a648b5c5465d342f; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 15:17:58 +0000 Received: from mail1.rncb.ac.uk ([fe80::5dc:133:4980:7051]) by MAIL1.rncb.ac.uk ([fe80::5dc:133:4980:7051%11]) with mapi id 14.01.0218.012; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 15:17:57 +0000 From: Anthony Sales To: 'SREEJITH K' Thread-Topic: [orca-list] hello friends I am using vinux 3.0 I can't access MPEG files can't copy or play. permission is denyed how can I solv it? Thread-Index: AQHLrazTax7rmld7HEGFW4QxuI19ypPEDhlA Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 15:17:56 +0000 Message-ID: <58C326E7D5A7B84190C31DE21721FF1DC11F7A@MAIL1.rncb.ac.uk> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [192.168.46.126] x-kse-antivirus-interceptor-info: scan successful x-kse-antivirus-info: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "'orca-list@gnome.org'" Subject: Re: [orca-list] hello friends I am using vinux 3.0 I can't access MPEG files can't copy or play. permission is denyed how can I solv it? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 15:18:14 -0000 Hi Jiddu, if you are using Vinux 3.0 CD then you need to run the Easy-Insta= ll Codecs script in order to play mpeg movies etc. You can find this on the= system-tools menu or on the desktop. Tony Sales. -----Original Message----- From: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] On B= ehalf Of SREEJITH K Sent: 06 January 2011 14:20 To: orca-list Subject: [orca-list] hello friends I am using vinux 3.0 I can't access MPEG= files can't copy or play. permission is denyed how can I solv it? --=20 The flowering of love is meditation. Jiddu Krishnamurti _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/= ats-2.html The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQues= tions/NetiquetteGuidelines Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From sreejthslash@gmail.com Fri Jan 7 09:36:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B22750199 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2011 09:36:42 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.689 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.689 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RFC_ABUSE_POST=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yMyqs-SXp6ci for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2011 09:36:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE3A75018D for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2011 09:36:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so10368079bwz.27 for ; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 01:36:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=5zA5m/NPpm12R2i7OKmTqdWPwWi9WmQRjcqwEkp2xOk=; b=iahYRdC7vOwIMaGRrX3uQiSVLybIFB7faOmAxqKvfQqWMwj5A9K5BwNDTNS5+Sv32Y LyGXhuWvqmJK8hD4s/WcIzkcdfbKL+Bu8WlgZ2D/eLZ+6Vwl/6h9WOI5x9RDysFH74DK ucUdGffm/TC0hZh9750w9KZlGi8Hj+FUs+YOg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=Y2R6ltTHwc5ssH3Lq+soKhHeV0Xm/gDm9WtsQKW/LBt2rTF5ZqeToP7LQCPJdyE5zA cjYo77gEa0MPum0tFRK0ZW9Qj2dtmcT+UA1tHltJRiY7KFOufcmS/lLPaWvHiugXnSRW WbB+75DMTkbPbiknnFO43ux+j22BxlJqjG4R0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.138.81 with SMTP id z17mr14206107bkt.162.1294392989399; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 01:36:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.99.76 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Jan 2011 01:36:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 15:06:29 +0530 Message-ID: From: SREEJITH K To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [orca-list] dear friends I am using vinux 3.0 I don't know how to clear the problem for mpeg file access request you to detail solution X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 09:36:42 -0000 I have another basic doubt if my system volum is mute or became 0 how can I solve it without a sighted help; is there any command? -- The flowering of love is meditation. Jiddu Krishnamurti From tony.sales@rncb.ac.uk Fri Jan 7 11:31:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EA49750188 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2011 11:31:27 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.736 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.736 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=1.164] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UPyvE17hcPSG for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2011 11:31:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from thb-mta-03.emailfiltering.com (thb-mta-03-tx.emailfiltering.com [194.116.199.142]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BFED750138 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2011 11:31:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 195.194.75.242 ([195.194.75.242]) by thb-mta-03.emailfiltering.com with emfmta (version 4.6.0.72) by TLS id 8134410720 for sreejthslash@gmail.com; ce3b5965ebacc301; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 11:31:13 +0000 Received: from mail1.rncb.ac.uk ([fe80::5dc:133:4980:7051]) by MAIL1.rncb.ac.uk ([fe80::5dc:133:4980:7051%11]) with mapi id 14.01.0218.012; Fri, 7 Jan 2011 11:31:13 +0000 From: Anthony Sales To: 'SREEJITH K' Thread-Topic: [orca-list] dear friends I am using vinux 3.0 I don't know how to clear the problem for mpeg file access request you to detail solution Thread-Index: AQHLrk5oTlJZ6RAb/0OPzHa8AA3Ch5PFXvxw Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 11:31:12 +0000 Message-ID: <58C326E7D5A7B84190C31DE21721FF1DC12050@MAIL1.rncb.ac.uk> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [192.168.48.116] x-kse-antivirus-interceptor-info: scan successful x-kse-antivirus-info: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "'orca-list@gnome.org'" Subject: Re: [orca-list] dear friends I am using vinux 3.0 I don't know how to clear the problem for mpeg file access request you to detail solution X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 11:31:27 -0000 Jiddu, if the sound is muted press ctrl+alt+t, type: volume_keys (press ent= er) then you can use win+alt+right to unmute and raise the volume. -----Original Message----- From: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] On B= ehalf Of SREEJITH K Sent: 07 January 2011 09:37 To: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: [orca-list] dear friends I am using vinux 3.0 I don't know how to = clear the problem for mpeg file access request you to detail solution I have another basic doubt if my system volum is mute or became 0 how can I solve it without a sighted help; is there any command? --=20 The flowering of love is meditation. Jiddu Krishnamurti _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/= ats-2.html The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQues= tions/NetiquetteGuidelines Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From hammera@pickup.hu Sat Jan 8 08:09:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 863AB750106 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2011 08:09:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZH9vj5aOFW-S for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2011 08:09:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E90C17500DD for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2011 08:08:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id 8ADFDE840C for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2011 09:48:50 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D281B98.70309@pickup.hu> Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 09:08:56 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Two possible solved profile related minor bugs with need a developer verification X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 08:09:10 -0000 Hy, I reported following profile related minor bugs and attached fix patches: 1. https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=638965 2. https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=638970 I tested both two bug fix patch, but sure by sure need a developer verification both two patches before committing any bug fix patch. Warning for braille users: Please test the second linked bugreport patch if interesting. The speech notification message with loading profile in progress is working right and spokened the System voice of course. In debug.out file I right see the braille notification message, but I not have got a braille display to verifying this for example what time period are you possible reading the notification message. Good weekend everybody, Attila From hammera@pickup.hu Sat Jan 8 14:04:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0E27750343 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2011 14:04:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PDljelrsHsbr for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2011 14:04:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5773875024D for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2011 14:04:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id B1C52E865F for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2011 15:43:57 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D286ED4.8020406@pickup.hu> Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 15:04:04 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] In future possible doing a keystroke to switch Empathy prewious sent message window? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 14:04:17 -0000 Dear List, When I using Pidgin, have possibility to switch prewious sent chat message edit box with containing already sent chat messages (F6 key combination with Pidgin). If I known right, Empathy not known this feature (oldest versions), newer versions I not looked yet. This function is own Pidgin feature, or an Orca script doing this? Possible implementing this function Orca specific with Empathy script? Or this is impossible and need doing an enhancement request with Empathy developers? Attila From hammera@pickup.hu Sun Jan 9 06:28:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 601AE750201 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 06:28:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kBONp9doUiII for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 06:28:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DD79750189 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 06:28:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id 51EDBE83E9 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 08:08:18 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D29558A.9030309@pickup.hu> Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 07:28:26 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D286ED4.8020406@pickup.hu> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] In future possible doing a keystroke to switch Empathy prewious sent message window? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 06:28:40 -0000 Hy, I reported an enhancement request with Empathy Orca script related. If the following problem is not Orca specific, very sorry the unneed bugreport: When I using Pidgin for example with IRC, have possibility to switch the prewious sent chat messages and possible reading all prewious sent and received messages. F6 key is toggling for example with IRC window the normal typing possible edit box, the awailable buddyes and the prewious sent messages edit box. I don't no this feature is own Pidgin possibility, or an Orca script doing this. When I tryed now IRC with Empathy, have similar possibility (F6 key), but F6 key combination is switching only the buddyes and the normal typing possible edit box. When I go to the prewious sent chat message with Orca flat review and clicking the message, I see a readonly edit box the prewious sent message. But unfortunately unable to scroll this edit box. If I need reporting this problem with main Empathy project because this problem is not Orca specific problem, I would like ask a developer help with accessibility specific request. The purpose have Empathy equals good scrollable prewious sent chat message edit box and switching on the fly both three possibility: normal message writing edit box, awailable buddyes and prewious sent messages. My enhancement request link is following: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=639040 Attila From sreejthslash@gmail.com Sun Jan 9 07:24:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB935750207 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 07:24:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RFC_ABUSE_POST=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AKehKveHxjdz for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 07:24:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23E43750189 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 07:23:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so11633706bwz.27 for ; Sat, 08 Jan 2011 23:23:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=FxRxuu6sVrMbierD1aToMl9pH64W/Ryc0ckKnq3UjVc=; b=jb91rSdZ3aFng+z45xcs83cCYjaU3CyloDD8WTUxTj2shjLn1nlUcfWXp3VL7zQHjI 5p+QylCNTiTJsw582nCofGhwIa1QkG7bXQUMKHqBvUA52ohIQ8Ic94CQr4k3s+MN+Vpu hGGzfbLRvcfawuLFblxGlicyrHyQqYwqUOvWs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=OMA6uxTrKZptnf93ESCe43ZsjaRL5Cud3j44jn4LlZB7Z4q5BVuUa19o9Y9W+tuvtS EBm8ij0/4b1LCBCPdNRZ0CmP5nnBqcCbrSm1BBnjYrBATY7OOIbCSdN5aWl7FPBaB6nQ EI5U/B+hO1AIKUM6rpp2D/MdsTqmpVD7ylEK8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.7.4 with SMTP id b4mr20462854bkb.189.1294557836934; Sat, 08 Jan 2011 23:23:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.99.76 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Jan 2011 23:23:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 12:53:56 +0530 Message-ID: From: SREEJITH K To: orca-list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [orca-list] a goubt about ubuntu 10.10 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 07:24:10 -0000 dear members when ever I open the home folder in places menu audacious is automatically opening but I open home folder through computer I can access the files and folders within the home folder. ubuntu 10.10 is installed in this computer. I humbly request experts to inform the causes of this happening and its remedy. with respect Sreejith k. -- The flowering of love is meditation. Jiddu Krishnamurti From hammera@pickup.hu Sun Jan 9 10:34:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 601877503A0 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 10:34:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lxEGLxAZBQyr for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 10:34:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EC79750377 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 10:33:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id B056DE83F7 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 12:13:45 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D298F12.2020102@pickup.hu> Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 11:33:54 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] I fixed an order spokening related bug with radio buttons the Orca where am I output, but my fix wait committing X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 10:34:10 -0000 Hy, I very hope fixed following bug with radio buttons spokening order related, if not need changing another control informations spokening order: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=639048 My patch resulting Orca using equals order with normal radio button spokening and where am I output spokening. Original working method where am I output replacing role type and selection value and resulting different order, for example: Normal unfocused output: keyboard layout panel laptop selected radio button Basic where am I output: keyboard layout panel laptop radiobutton selected I tested the patch for example the Orca preferences dialog the keyboard layout radio button. Both two output method equals right order (the first order). I doed this patch because the hungarian locale translation only this order resulting grammatical right translated output. If a developer have a little time, please look my patch and if my patch is good, please commit with git master branch and perhaps Orca 2.32 branch. I only doed modifications with src/orca/formatting.py file, and this modifications not resulting new strings. If need changing another control orders, please write this bugreport comments and I welcome doing the modifications. Attila Attila From krecoun@gmail.com Sun Jan 9 15:26:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7335675048E for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 15:26:21 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.689 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.689 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RFC_ABUSE_POST=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zKlJ9XvgsHxa for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 15:26:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C622475018B for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 15:26:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm16 with SMTP id 16so18819486fxm.27 for ; Sun, 09 Jan 2011 07:26:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id :disposition-notification-to:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=te3fH9JMe2RmwAiW67cu2VwpkZ/m+yAV5UM82OeinY8=; b=sGQ//Zn8rPBLrCUQgh17wksy8xBUPU07U3A9pN/nNtYq4WrJ3gVCV8EmBfiOCW1jJW b31Wbycw6G/aYDDp1kIp8ZgrhWmN0jD5zHiLi/D2QhucPwwURNYm0Yt5GLP/8cvg6hJX aNLzhV2MpPKxKZLKIxEt+TIiFON9SmTp56p+U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:disposition-notification-to:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=F7Wt8CLeWQRZTtt5PUFZPeL2wT2ZLqt+0fnKKyIfZNveAwGmUnS5eN319VsjS12DaA ZoYSzPbKinLF9TtfFNTM7eAeIgh3UWRC85xmdEgseY9hsjZBzpIZR88a3cSk8ofVAOJG 1gumxJ4XIVxxoEB30aifpduT8f8DQcVn650Ok= Received: by 10.223.79.6 with SMTP id n6mr6548067fak.122.1294586767330; Sun, 09 Jan 2011 07:26:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.153] (193-85-184-236.roznovan.cz [193.85.184.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n1sm6668532fam.16.2011.01.09.07.26.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 09 Jan 2011 07:26:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D29D38D.9050302@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 16:26:05 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?Vm9qdMSbY2ggUG9sw6HFoWVr?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; cs; rv:1.9.2.14pre) Gecko/20110107 Lightning/1.0b2 Shredder/3.1.8pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] orca and firefox download manager X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 15:26:21 -0000 Hello, I don't know if this is orca problem, but probably yes. I'm using latest firefox 3.6.14 pre and whenever I start some download, orca gets teribly slowed down. My fan stars blowing like mad and it's impossible to do anything till download ends. But when I restart orca ctrl-alt-o orca is speaking well, unless I focus download manager window. I can attach some debug logs only please tell me which. Vojta From kd7cyu@yahoo.com Sun Jan 9 16:25:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C6477504B0 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 16:25:11 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.643 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.643 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD=1.63, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RFC_ABUSE_POST=0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gvkQzc-BNezG for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 16:24:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sh77.surpasshosting.com (sh77.surpasshosting.com [72.29.75.145]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B56947503EE for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 16:24:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-76-121-69-115.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([76.121.69.115]:61087 helo=tom-laptop.local) by sh77.surpasshosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pby48-0000c9-3v for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2011 11:24:24 -0500 Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 08:24:19 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Masterson X-X-Sender: kd7cyu@tom-laptop To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (DEB 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sh77.surpasshosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - yahoo.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: [orca-list] Possible firefox issue X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 16:25:11 -0000 Friday when doing some updates on my linkedin account I was trying to get some recommendations for a position. This involves a pop-up box that shows your connections so you can choose one to get a recommendation from. Orca does not even acknowledge that the pop up exists and does not read it at all. I did not know what was going on till I had my wife look. Anyone else seeing this type of thing? Tom From luchyanus@gmail.com Sun Jan 9 16:29:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47DD77504B0 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 16:29:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.689 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.689 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RFC_ABUSE_POST=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xVp-OS5IXIOa for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 16:29:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F39627503EE for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 16:28:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyf3 with SMTP id 3so7933068gyf.27 for ; Sun, 09 Jan 2011 08:28:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=LUntZQM1yRhzOzwS4V3YZFSf+5Tgg2ST+AOWP8YR21g=; b=owbdfmLJBCcZk9C+9s1jTtY6XHX+5RPaepAXw93deqvw4DZThpass1g4RQIk804FPy Ad7XXIPYTIfHEI26AlgXZYAIDbmXUnOjhdYWcjnj16MNrfqnXbv6c9zeyOmoX+rNK6dr nQIhvaU3dfo1UQb+hTBmTaEIPjAl28Jr99Ccw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=AUIX27du6UizkfbobgOrTCcMX1+rU05gvi/V46llJXgIBYGI1GDRbtq+F7u96UwcQq He8lxJX0ZuJBAUx8yJ/D/6FjVw7QQDXGvXTm3oNsgzT0ltXOn50EUKRVk283hu/sFEnV iWohCSOoiUTmadJrGPIAdOn3MAT07cYLlgPf4= Received: by 10.100.213.16 with SMTP id l16mr16342311ang.148.1294590533293; Sun, 09 Jan 2011 08:28:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.202.81.8] ([189.1.143.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w4sm28695262anw.16.2011.01.09.08.28.51 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 09 Jan 2011 08:28:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D29E245.2080505@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 14:28:53 -0200 From: Luciano de Souza User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Firefox - Gaps in hiperlinks and the automatic forms mode X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 16:29:05 -0000 Hi listers, Reading texts in Firefox, two problems disturbs the pleasure of the reading: 1. If I am in a text with a large numbers of hiperlinks like Wikipedia, for each of then, a gap of silence rises, interupting brefiely the reading. If the number of the hiperlinks is really big, it's more profitable to copy the text into Gedit and read it there. 2. When I am navigating by means of arrows, often I come across edit boxes. Orca leaves the navigation mode to enter in forms mode. As it is not rare I want to follow the reading without typing anything in the edit box, I would prefer that forms mode was activated by user request. I don't know if Orca allows the manual entrance in the forms mode. If the answer is "yes", I would like to know how to disable the automatic forms mode. I don't like the automatic forms mode, but I recognise this aspect is appreciated by many people. However, disregarding the personal preferences, there is another aspect disturbing the reading flow. If Orca is reading consecutive lines and a form is found, the automatic forms mode is activated, the cursor is placed in the begining of the edit box and the reading is suddenly interrupted. It's much probable that, in this hypothesis, the intention of users was to follow reading and paging down. Using Orca 2.32.0, is there solution for this problems? Regards, Luciano From chinnu.223@gmail.com Mon Jan 10 04:48:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70ECA750227 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 04:48:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.135 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.135 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=1.553, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RFC_ABUSE_POST=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UWB449CluRHd for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 04:48:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86A637502EB for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 04:48:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so12075159bwz.27 for ; Sun, 09 Jan 2011 20:48:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=B1NoOpfym1dcIRoE2YCXfV40I6vIfyxtBeTZP08tKLc=; b=xbpIwR50ZY1WGEQCLiICooithEvVOSwvMRtTSdOpVc4n8g3055yyi4M/sTCYjf1k0L J+jJbFWWTdntd93r4bfOeamqkRIGLj6Zf6cAMKvdHyd4kXUGiS19iKSwnQEkaopB1zgM wL/qGb/2gftwWpRKGBlZAgGM2F8rPjTQxrzIk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=g+I+rUzpOHuTnPnvQnCJoCB5XM1jiTJb16o1wadk122y98owsiFCjcF4dRFYzTPiDR xUwo0s1hLVCwT+LQsJMQAKYfEkha60jjXWPtJ6Za/jnpce0+Wam79GhiSL7Sxy9UEgVU dxB4eyAogN+fj2v7c6A3ZxxTYno6eCSe5bU8k= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.97.193 with SMTP id m1mr12220731bkn.46.1294634903516; Sun, 09 Jan 2011 20:48:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.157.16 with HTTP; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 20:48:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 10:18:23 +0530 Message-ID: From: vidya hariharan To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636457ade89b4ef049976add1 Subject: [orca-list] solutions for making orca work with qt X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 04:48:36 -0000 --001636457ade89b4ef049976add1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 our project is orca support, as a part of which we are trying to make a qt application compatible with orca. Can anybody help us with that.. we have created a widget using python qt-4. we dont know how to combine it with orca. --001636457ade89b4ef049976add1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 our project is orca support, as a part of which we are trying to make a qt application compatible with orca. Can anybody help us with that.. we have created a widget using python qt-4. we dont know how to combine it with orca.
--001636457ade89b4ef049976add1-- From hammera@pickup.hu Mon Jan 10 08:50:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81F297504E1 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 08:50:11 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sL8-FhCA74Jh for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 08:50:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28C0E7504C3 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 08:49:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id D1A97E8A97 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 10:29:45 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D2AC835.5010202@pickup.hu> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 09:49:57 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Firefox 4.0B8 backspace problem X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 08:50:11 -0000 Dear List, Steve already reported following bug with Firefox 4.0 related: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=625133 Because this bug is very disturb for example if an user writing comments with webpages an edit box, or would like fix a mistake for example a google search term, need marking this bug with critical status? Or this is not need? Sunday I need filled an another bugreport with my Natty system and need fixing a missed typo. In Natty now have Firefox-4.0b8 version, and when press Backspace key, I not hear the deleted character, so I need continue numbering what character I deleted. This is an FF4.0 bug, or Orca side problem? Or night FF builds this bug already resolved? Attila From hammera@pickup.hu Mon Jan 10 09:14:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A9127504E1 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 09:14:11 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mxje0L9dBQYY for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 09:14:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 049397507B2 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 09:13:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id 25E6BE8AC9 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 10:53:46 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D2ACDD5.8020109@pickup.hu> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 10:13:57 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D286ED4.8020406@pickup.hu> <4D29558A.9030309@pickup.hu> In-Reply-To: <4D29558A.9030309@pickup.hu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] In future possible doing a keystroke to switch Empathy prewious sent message window? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 09:14:11 -0000 Hy, Because this problem is not Orca script related, I reported bug with Empathy the accessibility component related: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=639122 If anybody want, feel free to write comments this problem related with this bugreport. I very hope Empathy developers resolving this bug with 3.0 or next release. Joanie, if not matter I added you the CC list this bug, because perhaps Empathy developers ask a special Orca related technical informations with I possible not known. Attila From mwhapples@aim.com Mon Jan 10 14:11:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 767007508A5 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:11:00 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J9Y6MfvsNRLu for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:10:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (imr-mb01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.164]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B283D75088D for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:10:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mtaout-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.134]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p0AEAhXM007441 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 09:10:43 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (mwhapples.plus.com [80.229.137.216]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id EF5BFE0000D9 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 09:10:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4D2B1276.1060601@aim.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:06:46 +0000 From: Michael Whapples User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b8pre) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.3a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "orca-list@gnome.org" References: <4D2AC835.5010202@pickup.hu> In-Reply-To: <4D2AC835.5010202@pickup.hu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:500399616:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33864d2b136230d2 X-AOL-IP: 80.229.137.216 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Firefox 4.0B8 backspace problem X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:11:00 -0000 I believe the issue is a more general gecko 2.0 issue as it also shows up in thunderbird 3.3a1. I have reported the issue with mozilla (see https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=619002). Michael Whapples On -10/01/37 20:59, Hammer Attila wrote: > Dear List, > > Steve already reported following bug with Firefox 4.0 related: > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=625133 > > Because this bug is very disturb for example if an user writing > comments with webpages an edit box, or would like fix a mistake for > example a google search term, need marking this bug with critical > status? Or this is not need? > Sunday I need filled an another bugreport with my Natty system and > need fixing a missed typo. In Natty now have Firefox-4.0b8 version, > and when press Backspace key, I not hear the deleted character, so I > need continue numbering what character I deleted. > This is an FF4.0 bug, or Orca side problem? Or night FF builds this > bug already resolved? > > Attila > From mwhapples@aim.com Mon Jan 10 14:18:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66AB07506A4 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:18:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a1lAXujH9aks for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:18:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (imr-mb01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.164]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31DD0750476 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:18:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mtaout-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.129]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p0AEIeUG018380 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 09:18:40 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (mwhapples.plus.com [80.229.137.216]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id E3E73E0000F8 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 09:18:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4D2B1464.2060609@aim.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:15:00 +0000 From: Michael Whapples User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b8pre) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.3a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "orca-list@gnome.org" References: <4D29E245.2080505@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4D29E245.2080505@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:491885664:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33814d2b153f37b5 X-AOL-IP: 80.229.137.216 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Firefox - Gaps in hiperlinks and the automatic forms mode X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:18:53 -0000 On the links matter, I don't know whether this helps but there are other times when using read all in firefox orca will have a big pause, using gnome-speech instead of speech-dispatcher seems to help there so may be it will not show the problem you describe. As for automatic forms mode, what forms mode? Orca does not use forms mode at all, you are always interacting directly with the page in firefox, therefore when you give a control (eg. edit box) focus you are interacting with that control. Michael Whapples On -10/01/37 20:59, Luciano de Souza wrote: > Hi listers, > > Reading texts in Firefox, two problems disturbs the pleasure of the > reading: > > 1. If I am in a text with a large numbers of hiperlinks like > Wikipedia, for each of then, a gap of silence rises, interupting > brefiely the reading. If the number of the hiperlinks is really big, > it's more profitable to copy the text into Gedit and read it there. > > 2. When I am navigating by means of arrows, often I come across edit > boxes. Orca leaves the navigation mode to enter in forms mode. As it > is not rare I want to follow the reading without typing anything in > the edit box, I would prefer that forms mode was activated by user > request. I don't know if Orca allows the manual entrance in the forms > mode. If the answer is "yes", I would like to know how to disable the > automatic forms mode. > > I don't like the automatic forms mode, but I recognise this aspect is > appreciated by many people. However, disregarding the personal > preferences, there is another aspect disturbing the reading flow. If > Orca is reading consecutive lines and a form is found, the automatic > forms mode is activated, the cursor is placed in the begining of the > edit box and the reading is suddenly interrupted. It's much probable > that, in this hypothesis, the intention of users was to follow reading > and paging down. > > Using Orca 2.32.0, is there solution for this problems? > > Regards, > > Luciano > From trev.saunders@gmail.com Mon Jan 10 14:44:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AF617506A9 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:44:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.612 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.612 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RFC_ABUSE_POST=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_EQ=0.077, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rrPr60UjpKAH for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:44:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74BA575069E for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:44:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwj9 with SMTP id 9so20019664qwj.27 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 06:44:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=ZAgzcKSDZOc0UY5dx65Xe7kjRAFzFQPL1w3pkDAUKJE=; b=FlcpwGriqkSLqQuECf5UTuPlVfN7MbhyXDVdoYWDKznKAvwWWMPLUWhuacR7uh2ii/ uMlEZUW4pqFMPK9ZbglS1zXcInCEPvMHdYouQUBAdq+3AeUYc7s4lXJeQIzoZDtKV9/B rlv4T3uBYoef3gENqgDhRyI657V8UAyUEj9rg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=pGdU+zZrM0FcCF5FMXBd2UYcMqk8YikmWLjdcfSak9Xm50zDAm3feshgmjTRaojeJV 7VeqN1jm6QblEoqYv5NV6z1kdqDW+gf/X6OqBugA8UgdM2LX67MIwTo5DKo3zaI9szot wrPWXo9AC5fKAJ/Zx9z1sqQnUheAGw2VpUw98= Received: by 10.224.11.74 with SMTP id s10mr1340089qas.295.1294670665111; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 06:44:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from football.tbsaunde.org (TREVTOP2W.WV.CC.CMU.EDU [128.237.225.224]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q12sm17503015qcu.42.2011.01.10.06.44.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 10 Jan 2011 06:44:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 09:43:12 -0500 From: Trevor Saunders To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110110144312.GB11007@football.tbsaunde.org> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="IrhDeMKUP4DT/M7F" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: [orca-list] solutions for making orca work with qt X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:44:38 -0000 --IrhDeMKUP4DT/M7F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:18:23AM +0530, vidya hariharan wrote: > our project is orca support, as a part of which we are trying to make a qt > application compatible with orca. Can anybody help us with that.. we have > created a widget using python qt-4. we dont know how to combine it with orca. wel, first you'll have to get theqt to at-spi2 bridge at git://gitorious.org/qt-at-spi/qt-at-spi.git working with at-spi2then see how things work. Trev > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp --IrhDeMKUP4DT/M7F Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNKxsAAAoJEBfSn9LueXXX0pQP/3wt6LUQao6fFq6q9lCU2PwT VvlSgrKrVZZOvIKrDvQV4PErO0K6rP37IFndoppyrhENQMxlHNgjM4I57qG1v8PS r+M5EW1MtUoD2voo07WIi5NAhOqyqWvEBGmxIWa/+IDprOQ1yma2p9xoMgVBh/lY CvO1RR0Ibjt27tIRQMWQLg0uatNABB3LdakHsKOC9iVHOYigp9GCfqGV7hYqWJKC 5omrFCcNxfhBJF0/jDitWN69IqoS4QS9qIZv02C1ZI0GlhBNQcSfuTgXdDZShOVi D9JU0puB/qpHJQ67ZYjupW4XfUsRgo3Hn6oyRZnRYDfLi5fpdtS3ZMwqqKOUTBVG +1ZgcgfcUmNyxZaG0QGXfnoFxggJEygGNCFyqUbX4052jcvNBsfgnq6fve2eN1GE 7ncac+l1xVHVA6ebCQGcYRMzhe86O6SAYNzc6iRwGJcbtWBb4e/Dh0mo3ZVOzUp/ C2vcdKF7guZMOlyCrBYtjtzQ2RDgMocvLpFPzzi7pelsN5Zjbt0WEWwD5dsdoozZ 0PJSkz6LyFOFtTRQyK06mrawZqc0i77dzS22DCQmdGzCJR7p4NG2mDrP5df2dbIE fksQ0YBFnIawD+zpUaX0P/kmaLCpTRA7gN7LB2E/XqfOq20ZhZ2edYCD02quz8GG a8zLh1hGb9ty1vRbH0IK =Ikp6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --IrhDeMKUP4DT/M7F-- From joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Tue Jan 11 00:03:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42859750986; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 00:03:21 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.512 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.512 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RFC_ABUSE_POST=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GD=0.077, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4scXuvQtvls3; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 00:03:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96C6775070C; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 00:03:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwj9 with SMTP id 9so20564624qwj.27 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:03:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:message-id:date:from :reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=tsGvnis+ER2OAacFuth4nzm9IGbCUKj0ffVi6rsubmk=; b=chglVYZGUDVnrmgmAzSfERkrxauBpEO9BHo1plor4VDOvvVziyrNRa2v7hzKcIHN2f kTPT+eUA0p0vViwQowyeRbOj2Dmnts3FvOqVHKd2ivuUoyrguTYLHhUzgJTbirK/12sJ 7uYfK23fMBh+anXZIe/EglRLBV1IUcuy2Wjks= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=YVrGk0VkoPDB3A4HWoGxN6tImjsH+khNCKxirJEPMfuHRW6dyaQbGVMqj584nhAljd cFMCiWS9jQmiuDac/6U9+YpGIT2fYJpNTKw70R1BR6Qx6YVNHysS+DBWBu/i0f+JdCSE MFsju4+IVEERSqK/cefPvhqm4c5jBIHpA58pw= Received: by 10.224.11.15 with SMTP id r15mr12392263qar.192.1294704188824; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:03:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.35.103] (c-98-217-239-60.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [98.217.239.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q12sm17863464qcu.42.2011.01.10.16.03.06 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:03:07 -0800 (PST) Sender: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <4D2B9E3E.6080306@gnome.org> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 19:03:10 -0500 From: Joanmarie Diggs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b9pre) Gecko/20110109 Thunderbird/3.3a2pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: [orca-list] Announcing Orca v2.91.5 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: joanied@gnome.org List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 00:03:21 -0000 =============== * What is Orca? =============== Orca is a free, open source, flexible, and extensible screen reader that provides access to the graphical desktop via user-customizable combinations of speech, braille, and/or magnification. You can read more about Orca at http://live.gnome.org/Orca. =================================== * What's changed for Orca v2.91.5? =================================== General: * Finished bug #631123 - Orca documentation needs to be updated, converted to Mallard, augmented, and moved to the Orca module * Fix for bug #636841 - Orca does not speak user which gets selected when the user first presses down cursor in gdm login screen * Fix for bug #638623 - The application preferences dialogs are not always correctly populated * Fix for bug 638285 - debug.getAccessibleDetails() is called by the generator and scripts regardless of the debug level * Fix for bug #638318 - Different "None" strings for gender correct translation * Fix for bug #637667 - Profiles are not always loaded correctly * Fix for bug 637865 - Orca stops speaking if Escape is pressed after changing synthesizers Gecko: * Fix for bug #638063 - SayAll fails with certain pages in Firefox * Fix for bug #638053 - Orca says "blank" in Gecko using the default voice when it should use the system voice * Fix for bug #638048 - Orca is breaking up utterances in Gecko when it should not be * Fix for bug #628837 - System Voice does not work correctly for Gecko New and updated translations (THANKS EVERYONE!!!): cs Czech Marek Cernocky es Spanish Francisco Javier Dorado gl Galician Fran DiĂŠguez hu Hungarian Attila Hammer sl Slovenian Andrej Ĺ˝nidarĹĄič sv Swedish Daniel Nylander ug Uyghur Gheyret T.Kenji vi Vietnamese Truong Anh Tuan and Nguyễn ThĂĄi Ngọc Duy zh_CN Chinese (Simplified) Aron Xu ====================== * Where can I get it ? ====================== You can obtain Orca v2.91.5 in source code form at the following: http://download.gnome.org/sources/orca/2.91/orca-2.91.5.tar.gz http://download.gnome.org/sources/orca/2.91/orca-2.91.5.tar.bz2 Enjoy! The Orca Team From hammera@pickup.hu Tue Jan 11 09:51:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63180750745 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 09:51:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S+mmMPYTqEAk for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 09:51:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 857A57501F0 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 09:50:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id C028AE8336 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 11:30:39 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D2C27FE.7090300@pickup.hu> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 10:50:54 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [orca-list] with similar with Jose confirmed google related problem X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 09:51:09 -0000 Dear List, Sorry, my letter is little long. Now I uploaded l10n.gnome.org the Orca manual hungarian translation with sinchronisation purposes only, because Joanie added new help pages, I want sinchronising my local translation (ask l10n.gnome.org to merge automaticaly the po file with new added changes). When I would like downloading the merged hungarian translation, I reviewing earlier tasks by line by line. When I press a down arrow after following line spokening I nothing hear any informations when I press Down arrow key, but I known next line containing a link. The last spokened line is following: "Person Attila Hammer , Az új fordítás feltöltése, 2011. 01. 11. 6.19 +0000" The URL is following, if anybody have an l10n.gnome.org account, easy to test: http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/orca/master/help/hu Important informations: I using Firefox 3.6.13 with my Ubuntu Lucid, Orca is latest uptodate git master version. Testing purpose I maked a debug.out file, and I see following traceback message: "LOCUS OF FOCUS: app='Firefox' name=' orca-master-help-hu-236052.po' role='link' event=None Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca/input_event.py", line 210, in processInputEvent consumed = self.function(script, inputEvent) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca/scripts/toolkits/Gecko/script.py", line 5935, in goNextLine self.presentLine(nextObj, nextCharOffset) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca/scripts/toolkits/Gecko/script.py", line 2126, in presentLine self.speakContents(self.currentLineContents) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca/scripts/toolkits/Gecko/script.py", line 5370, in speakContents clumped = self.clumpUtterances(utterances) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca/scripts/toolkits/Gecko/script.py", line 5344, in clumpUtterances for [element, acss] in utterances: ValueError: too many values to unpack" This traceback error message is I think equals with bug 638111 bugreport traceback error message, I attached the debug.out file. I not looking yet this problem with Firefox 4.0. Attila From steve.holmes88@gmail.com Tue Jan 11 15:01:46 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3A347505A8 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 15:01:45 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.136 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.136 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=1.553, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RFC_ABUSE_POST=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9rRpqpvavmSk for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 15:01:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-px0-f182.google.com (mail-px0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E10FA75024E for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 15:01:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pxi1 with SMTP id 1so4020772pxi.27 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 07:01:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=UQhOF9WyCkIbG6Lw81rojfFcL99oYJiYcCIs3MjJd9k=; b=s3zVabzT4fElSvyvp0+zCDJItWnGIJFzw3h+W4Xv0qsHLk/ncruXwLdMwW5lLEbIIN XNpavFEyRNFQcBhLttMq9Ok91EVdMiZMJb8TFinVUH2tA7GxJsTBEYzJrPphA7wlfAjE FaB8ZWUhBVoseUXblpgAYDiqa9MogqC75Rwtc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=od9kqwPukQ9BOCYyc47MzwjBHISMLMUDNjHsz+ZcVbBdfPT5W0JyXU24LSTSM3BmEk yu8NTVrw31N5gXW+brZ1zf6TgIUIZL7o7Sv3agA3sNgyLXxZvuPzlSj+pAbBa6Smp7Da 1LJaDNE1MR6CV/eqoV5JrvHupenlJ7Gxamwpc= Received: by 10.142.201.5 with SMTP id y5mr5558040wff.211.1294758092683; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 07:01:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from lnx3.holmesgrown.com (ip72-208-185-148.ph.ph.cox.net [72.208.185.148]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y42sm9311601wfd.10.2011.01.11.07.01.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 11 Jan 2011 07:01:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 08:01:27 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110111150127.GA18203@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D29D38D.9050302@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <4D29D38D.9050302@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] orca and firefox download manager X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 15:01:46 -0000 I haven't experienced this problem though I have spent verry little time with Firefox 3.6; I'm using 4.0 Betas and I've never seen this happen. However, I do observe that if the list of downloaded files gets verry large - 100 or more entries, Orca becomes quite sluggish. If I clear out the list, then Orca speeds up significantly. On Sun, Jan 09, 2011 at 04:26:05PM +0100, Vojtěch PolĂĄĹĄek wrote: > Hello, > I don't know if this is orca problem, but probably yes. > I'm using latest firefox 3.6.14 pre and whenever I start some > download, orca gets teribly slowed down. My fan stars blowing like > mad and it's impossible to do anything till download ends. > But when I restart orca ctrl-alt-o orca is speaking well, unless I > focus download manager window. > I can attach some debug logs only please tell me which. > Vojta > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From guyster104@att.net Wed Jan 12 06:34:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D49D7500B7 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 06:34:22 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.436 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.436 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=1.553, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UkUSa3+FFVVn for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 06:34:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.107]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 530847500A2 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 06:34:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 47360 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2011 06:34:09 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1294814049; bh=HhSHqdxnhI/RztMN3212mSnYuSCWpmWzxSiCKTVux3M=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=J9VKuJVt1qF1hWFUSF0nv5vjJxrmrgiiePei6npMi1xJKEE4YjpJma98cmsFkXnIjbvRpCtWufOOfbbAc36GWUHMM2/aLkXtl9qkzp9I+o+bqS0rCJkDhvJdU6xheC2eQqM4a5Tmm00ghHJ19cqe52YJfDh02N581Kw037YhOxs= Received: from [192.168.1.3] (guyster104@72.241.162.115 with plain) by smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2011 22:34:09 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: tZeW1wWswBBWD7GBMvzI5Q0mBhWAmnxdydQa7OxIGQ-- X-YMail-OSG: IDOEuc0VM1lk5vJJTf0YyRFNLNyWIDDOso5xbEAdQwIVWWv Ivck3wJ4wG1CsGq8Fx4yI2QMwh3w4w8BfQDLGOCs1xfn7wQVQSeGer.5hYIb 224Y7mffYBN3d3CycGeoF27F937U563QL.0Kjz1aYGMYQsZBy1.NIoCpYVv4 137L3TjeAeyD3.efDGeCDdyQEnsi4v20I4.ArGS9KqXBFgvPA6lAF70Y.I3v 006zKhssb3Y0YwRg8l37ZtgElS7p9ZB.8TF4jpVuz.WlUnaOzPEnTtoXnji1 L5Bv3_TmNrFN3LsywBIpDfCIK_WhpMU4kakvGxAP7BpYKiw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4D2D4B61.20608@att.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 01:34:09 -0500 From: Guy Schlosser User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.14pre) Gecko/20110107 Shredder/3.1.8pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] brasero anyone X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 06:34:22 -0000 Hi all, I have a question about Brasero CD burner, or just curious what some of you are using to burn audio CD's. The problem I am having is that when I try and place songs into a CD layout, I cannot tell where to put them. I see the message to drag and drop from file manager, but I don't seem to be able to get focus on that area to paste the songs there. I had success in Lucid, but in Maverick, not so much. I am using orca 2.32.0 and the latest Brasero in maverick updates. Has anyone had success with this? I appreciate any suggestions, or even a suggestion of a different utility. Thanks much in advance, and have a good night. Guy From hammera@pickup.hu Wed Jan 12 15:04:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1921975051B for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 15:04:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I2Erf7oNlrmB for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 15:04:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15845750252 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 15:03:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id 607D0E82EC for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 16:43:29 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D2DC2D3.5090904@pickup.hu> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 16:03:47 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] A not marked text attribute for translation X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 15:04:04 -0000 Dear List, Before I opening an l10n related bugreport, I would like ask following questions: When I opening for example gedit, and look Orca preferences/text attribute page, I see a following named attribute: text-spelling This attribute is seeing for example if I launching Openoffice.org writer. When I launching an another application and looking again the text attribute page, for example with Mozilla Thunderbird, this attribute is not seeing, but seeing a translated "mistake" labelled attribute, with identifiing the word mistakes. What doing the text-spelling attribute, and possible marking translation with src/orca/text_attributes.py file? I not see any change if I marking text-spelling attribute spokening check box for example with gedit. Attila From stormdragon2976@gmail.com Wed Jan 12 15:10:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8092750217 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 15:10:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.145 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.145 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=1.553, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RFC_ABUSE_POST=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4bnvfmDmC5gT for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 15:10:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58112750152 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 15:09:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk8 with SMTP id 8so256020gxk.27 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 07:09:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references :content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=xhzZJLxYPuH5zSTQzr0x5uaFBHHNJmeyv6DVbEae1YQ=; b=DgdNCWYZZRvXB/itftPPkIS3hVyMKC5SUpFRgW3vcVlQjo6nJHITST5oJRw7fyu24u axXEBtB845L2isdu6dClcMoDf44cdm8yvjbT3uLKpFZvPS8uy1DAUyFRBrutMJKm06ym Hhv9iDSFq0JPDUtS+hNg+w3hHrRjpobvj+sAY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id :mime-version:x-mailer; b=nm+RX7ZugDcKQ+v7PzIahjBJQHQf35/yeIuVG9sinHrm0OLtE+xUt34itvVRkFQgmX 8nHYUKr1hREAjKtV9KU0bC3O1NjlCwPVJHPcLhqtDhkxxALS/g5m/W2BW8u0Ol21qR8j Er7CAQYSLPzAlyzb3SRsnB/JkhcBwLOXDQpVA= Received: by 10.151.150.6 with SMTP id c6mr2001533ybo.367.1294844994612; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 07:09:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([137.118.186.73]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 46sm469717yhl.12.2011.01.12.07.09.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 12 Jan 2011 07:09:53 -0800 (PST) From: Storm Dragon To: Orca-list In-Reply-To: <4D2D4B61.20608@att.net> References: <4D2D4B61.20608@att.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-d78CCDJpin3zJPSaZu3Q" Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:09:45 -0500 Message-ID: <1294844985.31941.11.camel@stormdragon-laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3 Subject: Re: [orca-list] brasero anyone X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 15:10:07 -0000 --=-d78CCDJpin3zJPSaZu3Q Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Brasero used to be great. There was an option to just select tracks from another window and copy them, then paste in the Brasero window with control+v. This is no longer possible though, so the only way we have to do it is to tab to add and press enter, but then, if you try to press enter on a sub directory you get a warning that directories can not be added to an audio project and it wants to search the directory for audio tracks. This is great if you want every track in the directory added but not so good if the directory contains 50 tracks for example. I really don't know a way around this, except maybe using flat review to click on the directory, but sometimes that fails too. So, a new/better cd burning application would be a good thing. Thanks Storm -- "Death or glory i will find, Rebellion on my mind." Grave Digger Registered Linux user number 508465: http://counter.li.org/ My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: http://www.stormdragon.us/ Get paid to read email: http://is.gd/feRiB On Wed, 2011-01-12 at 01:34 -0500, Guy Schlosser wrote: > Hi all, I have a question about Brasero CD burner, or just curious what > some of you are using to burn audio CD's. The problem I am having is > that when I try and place songs into a CD layout, I cannot tell where to > put them. I see the message to drag and drop from file manager, but I > don't seem to be able to get focus on that area to paste the songs > there. I had success in Lucid, but in Maverick, not so much. I am > using orca 2.32.0 and the latest Brasero in maverick updates. Has > anyone had success with this? I appreciate any suggestions, or even a > suggestion of a different utility. Thanks much in advance, and have a > good night. > > > Guy > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp --=-d78CCDJpin3zJPSaZu3Q Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi,
Brasero used to be great. There was an option to just select tracks from another window and copy them, then paste in the Brasero window with control+v. This is no longer possible though, so the only way we have to do it is to tab to add and press enter, but then, if you try to press enter on a sub directory you get a warning that directories can not be added to an audio project and it wants to search the directory for audio tracks. This is great if you want every track in the directory added but not so good if the directory contains 50 tracks for example. I really don't know a way around this, except maybe using flat review to click on the directory, but sometimes that fails too. So, a new/better cd burning application would be a good thing.
Thanks
Storm
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On Wed, 2011-01-12 at 01:34 -0500, Guy Schlosser wrote: 
Hi all, I have a question about Brasero CD burner, or just curious what 
some of you are using to burn audio CD's.  The problem I am having is 
that when I try and place songs into a CD layout, I cannot tell where to 
put them.  I see the message to drag and drop from file manager, but I 
don't seem to be able to get focus on that area to paste the songs 
there.  I had success in Lucid, but in Maverick, not so much.  I am 
using orca 2.32.0 and the latest Brasero in maverick updates.  Has 
anyone had success with this?  I appreciate any suggestions, or even a 
suggestion of a different utility.  Thanks much in advance, and have a 
good night.


Guy

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--=-d78CCDJpin3zJPSaZu3Q-- From krecoun@gmail.com Wed Jan 12 16:34:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78633750231 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 16:34:11 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.688 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.688 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RFC_ABUSE_POST=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nvqxN-Rf4cde for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 16:34:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBF47750216 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 16:33:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm16 with SMTP id 16so740687fxm.27 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 08:33:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:disposition-notification-to:date :from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type; bh=c/ClVGsDD6+NfcyBWRRHQayQrgXRxQcozAK8R/2ltxI=; b=ZyGs5NyjLY+AdVTnFQa22FpvTuofyjGJhCsUjU1LjzR41OJj+BAvysrAPUArGuh2tL k9xtG1qd6OmSCIirzP0otrXSM1BsJ6oWzjyraST37nuIoHY7hL0v6zgFGFQmLbycMBlZ GcwQA4TsfB9J/4LB3gTupaXpch/k4WGykM8wo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:disposition-notification-to:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type; b=U2HvGazo/KzJl3krk3GyQtF3OHFM8NaxgC8YdQVvseGzneTKaq7Flpdgy1tSvZy+P8 koLVYfc2M5hww6ALM3cw/B/naMqbM5m6q1gz4RHSRj0Ft8TEWho2stAxsvOnpMCPddAt 8u37bl04tuB3WdzGzAdnmGbWiLyXwphETto4Y= Received: by 10.223.75.194 with SMTP id z2mr1251809faj.38.1294850033390; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 08:33:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.8.7] (adsl-dyn231.91-127-236.t-com.sk [91.127.236.231]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f24sm282783fak.0.2011.01.12.08.33.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 12 Jan 2011 08:33:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D2DD7ED.7090805@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 17:33:49 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?Vm9qdMSbY2ggUG9sw6HFoWVr?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; cs; rv:1.9.2.14pre) Gecko/20110112 Lightning/1.0b2 Shredder/3.1.8pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D2D4B61.20608@att.net> <1294844985.31941.11.camel@stormdragon-laptop> In-Reply-To: <1294844985.31941.11.camel@stormdragon-laptop> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090805000204050204070300" Subject: Re: [orca-list] brasero anyone X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 16:34:11 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090805000204050204070300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Try gnome baker: sudo aptitude install gnome-baker It's very accessible and I think I've already burned some audio cds with it. Vojta On 12.1.2011 16:09, Storm Dragon wrote: > Hi, > Brasero used to be great. There was an option to just select tracks > from another window and copy them, then paste in the Brasero window > with control+v. This is no longer possible though, so the only way we > have to do it is to tab to add and press enter, but then, if you try > to press enter on a sub directory you get a warning that directories > can not be added to an audio project and it wants to search the > directory for audio tracks. This is great if you want every track in > the directory added but not so good if the directory contains 50 > tracks for example. I really don't know a way around this, except > maybe using flat review to click on the directory, but sometimes that > fails too. So, a new/better cd burning application would be a good thing. > Thanks > Storm > -- > "Death or glory i will find, Rebellion on my mind." > Grave Digger > Registered Linux user number 508465: > http://counter.li.org/ > My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: > http://www.stormdragon.us/ > Get paid to read email: > http://is.gd/feRiB > > > On Wed, 2011-01-12 at 01:34 -0500, Guy Schlosser wrote: >> Hi all, I have a question about Brasero CD burner, or just curious what >> some of you are using to burn audio CD's. The problem I am having is >> that when I try and place songs into a CD layout, I cannot tell where to >> put them. I see the message to drag and drop from file manager, but I >> don't seem to be able to get focus on that area to paste the songs >> there. I had success in Lucid, but in Maverick, not so much. I am >> using orca 2.32.0 and the latest Brasero in maverick updates. Has >> anyone had success with this? I appreciate any suggestions, or even a >> suggestion of a different utility. Thanks much in advance, and have a >> good night. >> >> >> Guy >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp --------------090805000204050204070300 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Try gnome baker:
sudo aptitude install gnome-baker
It's very accessible and I think I've already burned some audio cds with it.
Vojta

On 12.1.2011 16:09, Storm Dragon wrote:
Hi,
Brasero used to be great. There was an option to just select tracks from another window and copy them, then paste in the Brasero window with control+v. This is no longer possible though, so the only way we have to do it is to tab to add and press enter, but then, if you try to press enter on a sub directory you get a warning that directories can not be added to an audio project and it wants to search the directory for audio tracks. This is great if you want every track in the directory added but not so good if the directory contains 50 tracks for example. I really don't know a way around this, except maybe using flat review to click on the directory, but sometimes that fails too. So, a new/better cd burning application would be a good thing.
Thanks
Storm
-- 
"Death or glory i will find, Rebellion on my mind."
Grave Digger
Registered Linux user number 508465:
http://counter.li.org/
My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon:
http://www.stormdragon.us/
Get paid to read email:
http://is.gd/feRiB


On Wed, 2011-01-12 at 01:34 -0500, Guy Schlosser wrote: 
Hi all, I have a question about Brasero CD burner, or just curious what 
some of you are using to burn audio CD's.  The problem I am having is 
that when I try and place songs into a CD layout, I cannot tell where to 
put them.  I see the message to drag and drop from file manager, but I 
don't seem to be able to get focus on that area to paste the songs 
there.  I had success in Lucid, but in Maverick, not so much.  I am 
using orca 2.32.0 and the latest Brasero in maverick updates.  Has 
anyone had success with this?  I appreciate any suggestions, or even a 
suggestion of a different utility.  Thanks much in advance, and have a 
good night.


Guy

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--------------090805000204050204070300-- From javier@tiflolinux.org Wed Jan 12 16:41:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECEEC750234 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 16:41:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.801 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PAXIB01hUzRB for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 16:41:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 16:41:22 UTC Received: from outbound-w05.bluehost.com (outbound-w05.bluehost.com [69.89.16.132]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C083A750231 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 16:41:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 32355 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jan 2011 16:34:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box447.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.247) by mrclean.bluehost.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2011 16:34:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=tiflolinux.org; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:X-Enigmail-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Identified-User; b=pyQMQt7Hg6gL38q3BKL1BdaYPLcAd5M08U/OrQqjhH8MIt0jrRtm1CSS2n33Pew8Z7d6wyDsP+SktpXaqDkrvo47KB303NpuwsWEUZicIPgx19L+Tvh/6R7kTqYS9A7X; Received: from [190.232.82.243] (helo=[192.168.0.23]) by box447.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pd3ea-000578-HB for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 09:34:32 -0700 Message-ID: <4D2DD80C.9010507@tiflolinux.org> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 11:34:20 -0500 From: =?UTF-8?B?RnJhbmNpc2NvIEphdmllciBEb3JhZG8gTWFydMOtbmV6?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D2D4B61.20608@att.net> <1294844985.31941.11.camel@stormdragon-laptop> In-Reply-To: <1294844985.31941.11.camel@stormdragon-laptop> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {32996:box447.bluehost.com:asociac1:tiflolinux.org} {sentby:smtp auth 190.232.82.243 authed with javier+tiflolinux.org} Subject: Re: [orca-list] brasero anyone X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: javier@tiflolinux.org List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 16:41:25 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all El 12/01/11 10:09, Storm Dragon escribió: > do it is to tab to add and press enter, but then, if you try to press > enter on a sub directory you get a warning that directories can not be > added to an audio project and it wants to search the directory for audio > tracks. This is great if you want every track in the directory added but > not so good if the directory contains 50 tracks for example. I really > don't know a way around this, except maybe using flat review to click on > the directory, but sometimes that fails too. So, a new/better cd burning > application would be a good thing. You can use orca + Keypad 5 to flat review current word on a directory then press double keypad / to make double click on the directory in order to get to that directory. Then you can select tracks and press add button. I know this is a keynav bug for Brasero... so another choice would be to report it in order to get it fixed by the Brasero team. Regards, Javier -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk0t2AwACgkQhD1pS7YT9PpgCQCffoKCxNeEL3OWxn19+FyPdjC0 1QYAoIcb92UzDW/tGGivIHBJ4LBhz7Mi =Y4TZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From stormdragon2976@gmail.com Wed Jan 12 18:47:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1DD17500FE for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 18:47:18 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.145 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.145 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=1.553, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RFC_ABUSE_POST=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sxBoUF0G7-Dp for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 18:47:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yw0-f68.google.com (mail-yw0-f68.google.com [209.85.213.68]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F02A7750240 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 18:46:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywg4 with SMTP id 4so174638ywg.3 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:46:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references :content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=mJ4w+nak5YAyk1zNoS3OsUth4mHR53WjDOgjvE85QJw=; b=XTqQmmsIn54EDfKQdVTvelAfeHsZck9c0/xuzyglASHcz1cEjloeR8G4AH5VpPYOnW 8y8qV9L0LyAp5llqXjkDs2haigZt54WOv9//tO0M/pxVqzhTL4dx7xMl5nqynnN3znjI s/VC377UQecQqm3ALIVU0NnanqEHSBPru4YRE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id :mime-version:x-mailer; b=f3rIt/U5iFXQWyY1ytuAJEyNnYO/h5HMGA389WXlTTaRMq7Rl1YdDzkuWrG09ClRyq /LIi+Nrfeoij0I92Tkbb90IcMMVgAGrt8UMerTPR/V5GMc6NQNe+CefuklQ/9N0n72NF Jo6v+6/YEyIMNl+hxL0vGFVWeY3eamAoEjB1Y= Received: by 10.151.79.18 with SMTP id g18mr2502855ybl.49.1294858016187; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:46:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([137.118.186.73]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v6sm3851714ybk.20.2011.01.12.10.46.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:46:55 -0800 (PST) From: Storm Dragon To: Orca-list In-Reply-To: <4D2DD7ED.7090805@gmail.com> References: <4D2D4B61.20608@att.net> <1294844985.31941.11.camel@stormdragon-laptop> <4D2DD7ED.7090805@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-k9us+7U/PKmGIXa1NM83" Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 13:46:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1294858006.22808.6.camel@stormdragon-laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3 Subject: Re: [orca-list] brasero anyone X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 18:47:19 -0000 --=-k9us+7U/PKmGIXa1NM83 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, I noticed that gnomebaker doesn't work with .ogg files. There is a patch at: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1446682&page=2 which fixes this problem. Apparently gnomebaker has the ability, but something gets registered incorrectly. I have made a .deb for i386 users I am sure it will work with Vinux and Ubuntu lucid. Here's the link for anyone interested: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9638346/gnomebaker_0.6.4-1ubuntu2_i386.deb Thanks Storm -- All newspaper editorial writers ever do is come down from the hills after the battle is over and shoot the wounded. $ fortune Registered Linux user number 508465: http://counter.li.org/ My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: http://www.stormdragon.us/ Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stormdragon2976 On Wed, 2011-01-12 at 17:33 +0100, Vojtěch Polášek wrote: > Try gnome baker: > sudo aptitude install gnome-baker > It's very accessible and I think I've already burned some audio cds > with it. > Vojta > > On 12.1.2011 16:09, Storm Dragon wrote: > > > Hi, > > Brasero used to be great. There was an option to just select tracks > > from another window and copy them, then paste in the Brasero window > > with control+v. This is no longer possible though, so the only way > > we have to do it is to tab to add and press enter, but then, if you > > try to press enter on a sub directory you get a warning that > > directories can not be added to an audio project and it wants to > > search the directory for audio tracks. This is great if you want > > every track in the directory added but not so good if the directory > > contains 50 tracks for example. I really don't know a way around > > this, except maybe using flat review to click on the directory, but > > sometimes that fails too. So, a new/better cd burning application > > would be a good thing. > > Thanks > > Storm > > -- > > > > "Death or glory i will find, Rebellion on my mind." > > Grave Digger > > Registered Linux user number 508465: > > http://counter.li.org/ > > My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: > > http://www.stormdragon.us/ > > Get paid to read email: > > http://is.gd/feRiB > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 2011-01-12 at 01:34 -0500, Guy Schlosser wrote: > > > > > Hi all, I have a question about Brasero CD burner, or just curious what > > > some of you are using to burn audio CD's. The problem I am having is > > > that when I try and place songs into a CD layout, I cannot tell where to > > > put them. I see the message to drag and drop from file manager, but I > > > don't seem to be able to get focus on that area to paste the songs > > > there. I had success in Lucid, but in Maverick, not so much. I am > > > using orca 2.32.0 and the latest Brasero in maverick updates. Has > > > anyone had success with this? I appreciate any suggestions, or even a > > > suggestion of a different utility. Thanks much in advance, and have a > > > good night. > > > > > > > > > Guy > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > orca-list mailing list > > > orca-list@gnome.org > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > > > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > > > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > orca-list mailing list > > orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp --=-k9us+7U/PKmGIXa1NM83 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi,
I noticed that gnomebaker doesn't work with .ogg files. There is a patch at:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1446682&page=2
which fixes this problem. Apparently gnomebaker has the ability, but something gets registered incorrectly. I have made a .deb for i386 users I am sure it will work with Vinux and Ubuntu lucid. Here's the link for anyone interested:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9638346/gnomebaker_0.6.4-1ubuntu2_i386.deb
Thanks
Storm
-- 
All newspaper editorial writers ever do is come down from the hills after
the battle is over and shoot the wounded.
$ fortune
Registered Linux user number 508465:
http://counter.li.org/
My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon:
http://www.stormdragon.us/
Follow me on Twitter:
http://www.twitter.com/stormdragon2976


On Wed, 2011-01-12 at 17:33 +0100, Vojtěch Polášek wrote:
Try gnome baker:
sudo aptitude install gnome-baker
It's very accessible and I think I've already burned some audio cds with it.
Vojta

On 12.1.2011 16:09, Storm Dragon wrote:
Hi,
Brasero used to be great. There was an option to just select tracks from another window and copy them, then paste in the Brasero window with control+v. This is no longer possible though, so the only way we have to do it is to tab to add and press enter, but then, if you try to press enter on a sub directory you get a warning that directories can not be added to an audio project and it wants to search the directory for audio tracks. This is great if you want every track in the directory added but not so good if the directory contains 50 tracks for example. I really don't know a way around this, except maybe using flat review to click on the directory, but sometimes that fails too. So, a new/better cd burning application would be a good thing.
Thanks
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On Wed, 2011-01-12 at 01:34 -0500, Guy Schlosser wrote: 
Hi all, I have a question about Brasero CD burner, or just curious what 
some of you are using to burn audio CD's.  The problem I am having is 
that when I try and place songs into a CD layout, I cannot tell where to 
put them.  I see the message to drag and drop from file manager, but I 
don't seem to be able to get focus on that area to paste the songs 
there.  I had success in Lucid, but in Maverick, not so much.  I am 
using orca 2.32.0 and the latest Brasero in maverick updates.  Has 
anyone had success with this?  I appreciate any suggestions, or even a 
suggestion of a different utility.  Thanks much in advance, and have a 
good night.


Guy

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--=-k9us+7U/PKmGIXa1NM83-- From derekedit@hotmail.com Wed Jan 12 19:33:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8C627501B3 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 19:33:29 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.899 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RFC_ABUSE_POST=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2YKfb0MV-IU1 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 19:33:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from blu0-omc2-s33.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s33.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.108]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD4F17501D5 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 19:33:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BLU0-SMTP177 ([65.55.111.71]) by blu0-omc2-s33.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 12 Jan 2011 11:33:17 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [68.62.31.88] X-Originating-Email: [derekedit@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Received: from [192.168.2.12] ([68.62.31.88]) by BLU0-SMTP177.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 12 Jan 2011 11:33:16 -0800 From: Derek London Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 14:32:45 -0500 To: orca-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2011 19:33:16.0754 (UTC) FILETIME=[8F7C3320:01CBB28F] Subject: [orca-list] testing please ignore X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 19:33:30 -0000 Yeah see above. Duh. From mstopka@centurytel.net Thu Jan 13 02:23:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21EE07502CA for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 02:23:43 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y6YGHZnj8YYx for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 02:23:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 2479 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 02:23:39 UTC Received: from mail940c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail940c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.130]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98B7A7502C4 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 02:23:31 +0000 (UTC) X-Authenticated-User: mstopka.centurytel.net Received: from OwnerPC (207-119-107-177.dyn.centurytel.net [207.119.107.177]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail940c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p0D1eujL030751 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 01:41:06 GMT From: "mike cutie and maia" To: References: <002901cb68a2$56b87170$04295450$@com> <20101010210259.GB10146@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> In-Reply-To: <20101010210259.GB10146@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 19:40:55 -0600 Message-ID: <026901cbb2c2$f1900c20$d4b02460$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: ActovpE9G9bDG9jcSLCvitJDzRZwPhKBC37Q Content-language: en-us X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=4JSZwFbTLKO36TlkcVUHJUs4fiAFncqPKy8bWJ9Udmc= c=1 sm=1 a=qwsW470EMt8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=8MmB0kDJ8pjjMIt452x5ag==:17 a=aiIX5UjjAAAA:8 a=Hcd-OtKzT9xdCbUsxSUA:9 a=s6HJG3fE1vPGBgkvjcEA:7 a=IIc93AZDmUtaXvlXBILD6mg0llEA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Un6_-olZ3M8A:10 a=yauLTTMCv9sA:10 a=9CskQrU9B3sGOtU1:21 a=qCE1nGpzvt3miLWW:21 a=8MmB0kDJ8pjjMIt452x5ag==:117 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Latest builds of Orca and updating X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 02:23:43 -0000 Hi when I try to run orca master in debian lenny after a new install I get a glib-gettext.m4 not found how can I fix this this is what is happening when I run ./autogen.sh -----Original Message----- From: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] On Behalf Of Steve Holmes Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 3:03 PM To: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Latest builds of Orca and updating Bill does a pretty good job in maintaining vinux so I would think he would do well at having the latest version of Orca available when 10.10 version comes out and I would think that would be coming soon. No I admit, I'm not a vinux user but I would think that would get you off to a good base start and then learn about pulling from git and doing the build steps. But if that ends up being a far off, then do the following steps to build Orca from latest development source. 1. Create a directory in your home environment and call it something like 'git' 2. cd git 3. For the first time, do 'git clone git://git.gnome.org/orca'. This will create an up-to-date source tree of the Orca source. 4. cd into the top of the orca source tree and type './autogen.sh'. Note if you want to override the prefix of /usr/local, you would need to set the --prefix argument accordingly. 5. If that succeeeds, then do 'make' and then do 'make install'. The tricky part of this deal is to not conflict with what is already installed on your system. You can merely specify --prefix=/usr and live in the fastlane with the latest fixes. I have to say, I haven't run into any truely broken versions of orca from git this way. Otherwise you can let it go into /usr/local by default but then you will have to tell gnome which orca to run. Hope this helps get you started. On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 06:41:15PM +0100, Ednun Pourtahmasbi wrote: > HI guys. > I'm new to the list, so apologies if my questions seem a little Mundane. > > I'm a new Linux user and have just installed and have begun getting to grips > with Vinux. I don't know a lot about updating versions of software on Linux > other than with apt-get and the update manager, but I read somewhere that > Orca is updated on a daily bases and that you could download the latest > builds. > I'm quite a keen tester and there are quite a number of things I'd be keen > to see resolved with Orca. > > I guess my question has 2 parts. > 1, Should I wait until the next version of Vinux based on Ubuntu 10.10 comes > out and begin using Orca from that? > 2, or should I try and upgrade to the latest build of Orca now? And if I do > that, would someone be able to provide me with very clear instructions on > how to do this? I'd consider myself fairly technical within Windows, but > Linux I'm sure you'll appreciate is very different. > > I'm just looking to test the latest product and be as much help to you guys > as possible. > > Many thanks. > > Ed. > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From hammera@pickup.hu Thu Jan 13 13:34:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5029C7503B7 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 13:34:08 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vHXyEENy8GGs for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 13:34:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87D4D75028F for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 13:33:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id D03AEE86C1 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 15:13:27 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D2EFF3D.3000103@pickup.hu> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:33:49 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D2DC2D3.5090904@pickup.hu> In-Reply-To: <4D2DC2D3.5090904@pickup.hu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] A not marked text attribute for translation X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 13:34:08 -0000 Dear List, I reported my yesterday wrote problem for the text-spelling attribute related with following bugreport: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=639418 Attila From hammera@pickup.hu Thu Jan 13 14:11:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C569F7503C8 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:11:49 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pKLL2B3zJmCj for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:11:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F40937503B7 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:11:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id 47334E820B for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 15:51:16 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D2F0819.1050007@pickup.hu> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 15:11:37 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D2DC2D3.5090904@pickup.hu> <4D2EFF3D.3000103@pickup.hu> In-Reply-To: <4D2EFF3D.3000103@pickup.hu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] A not marked text attribute for translation X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:11:50 -0000 Hy, Done the patch for bug 639418 l10n related bugreport. Hopefuly I doing right fix. Now the hungarian translation file right translated the text-spelling attribute name, I verifyed. I added following lines with src/orca/text_attribute_names.py file after the last defined attribute name: # Translators: This is the text-spelling attribute. See: # http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Accessibility/TextAttributes # _textAttributeTable["text-spelling"] = C_("textattr", "spelling") Need doing another tasks for this bug related, or this is the method if need defining a new attribute name and marking new name for translation? Attila From GlennErvin@cableone.net Thu Jan 13 21:49:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20C0B75042F for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 21:49:14 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.789 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.789 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gD4j7A0XINUi for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 21:49:11 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 963 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 21:49:11 UTC Received: from S3.cableone.net (s3.cableone.net [24.116.0.229]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F7BA75046D for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 21:49:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from KitchenTower (unverified [24.117.154.111]) by S3.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S3) with ESMTP id 38387120-1872270 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:32:56 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Glenn" To: Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 15:32:58 -0600 Organization: Home MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-Vpipe: Scanner said ok (av_avast) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 352, in=95, out=0, spam=0 ip=24.117.154.111 X-Originating-IP: 24.117.154.111 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Subject: [orca-list] lost audio problem X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: Glenn List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 21:49:14 -0000 Hi All, I have a problem in Ubuntu. 10.01. after running gedit, my system became virtually unresponsive, so I restarted, and as usualon my system, , update manager came up on restart, which often makes Orca quit talking. So I tried the following in the run window (alt + F2): sudo killall orca Then I ran: sudo orca and then I was surprised to hear the Orca setup window come up using the IBM viavoice, which I have never gotten to work, and the synth options actually offered me to select IBM viavoice in the synth choice, so I selected that. After the setup options, orca asked me if I wanted to log out to make changes, I did, and I lost all audio, even after rebooting. I purchased IBM ViaVoice and tried installing it a long time back and had never gotten it to work, even after editing the necessary file to remove the rem from IBMViaVoice. With no audo, I have no Orca. Does this have anything to do with pulseaudio VS Alsa? And how can I get speech back? Thanks. From Nick.Adamson@generaldynamics.uk.com Fri Jan 14 09:03:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 553A0750322 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:03:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Score: 3.199 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=3.199 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, EXTRA_MPART_TYPE=1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MY_CID_AND_ARIAL2=1.46, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SARE_GIF_ATTACH=1.42, STOCK_IMG_CTYPE=0.001] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AhjqKEnaC40D for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:03:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail90.messagelabs.com (mail90.messagelabs.com [85.158.139.3]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DFCFA750189 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:03:46 +0000 (UTC) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: Nick.Adamson@generaldynamics.uk.com X-Msg-Ref: server-8.tower-90.messagelabs.com!1294995823!17737234!1 X-StarScan-Version: 6.2.9; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.33.196.17] Received: (qmail 13883 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2011 09:03:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.generaldynamics.uk.com) (217.33.196.17) by server-8.tower-90.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2011 09:03:43 -0000 Received: from mail.generaldynamics.uk.com (HELO gdukadh864.uk1.r-org.net) ([172.16.40.142]) by mail.generaldynamics.uk.com with ESMTP; 14 Jan 2011 09:03:38 +0000 Received: from GDUKADH850.uk1.r-org.net ([172.16.40.137]) by gdukadh864.uk1.r-org.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:03:37 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CBB3C9.F1725498"; type="multipart/alternative" Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:03:42 -0000 Message-ID: <634C6DD300F1EE46879A1A84896F361403557D0E@GDUKADH850.uk1.r-org.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Changing volume in Gnome. Thread-Index: AcuzyfE07fPYFFUTQfy5WPhTFIc0dA== From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2011 09:03:37.0587 (UTC) FILETIME=[EE2C4C30:01CBB3C9] Subject: [orca-list] Changing volume in Gnome. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:03:58 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CBB3C9.F1725498 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_002_01CBB3C9.F1725498" ------_=_NextPart_002_01CBB3C9.F1725498 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All. =20 I'm using ORCA on a Ubuntu Hardy box. It seems a really daft question but I've looked around for ages and haven't worked out how to do this. I can here ORCA but its very quiet, how do I turn it up? =20 Thanks. 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I'm = using ORCA on a=20 Ubuntu Hardy box.
It = seems a really=20 daft question but I've looked around for ages and haven't worked out how = to do=20 this.
I can = here ORCA but=20 its very quiet, how do I turn it up?
 
Thanks.
Nick.
 
 
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X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 11:05:20 -0000 Hy, Before I reporting following bug, I would like ask your help a confirmation: My Ubuntu Natty have now Orca-2.91.4 factory packaged version. When I click the help button in main window, nothing happen. I see a traceback message with the debug.out file, with I don't no already reported anybody or this trace back message are valid or not real error: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/orca/orca_gui_main.py", line 162, in helpButtonClicked orca.helpForOrca() File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/orca/orca.py", line 1755, in helpForOrca gtk.get_current_event_time()) gio.Error: (the gived place is not supported) In my Lucid system have Orca full uptodated git master version, and the help topics is wonderful displaying if I click the main window help button. Anybody confirming this problem, or this problem existing only my Natty system? If anybody confirming this problem, this is an Ubuntu Natty specific problem (need I reporting this problem with gnome-orca package with launchpad.net), or a general problem and needI reporting this problem with bugzilla? Now I not installed in my Natty system yet the full uptodated git master version, but if need, I of course doing this to test this problem. Attila From Nick.Adamson@generaldynamics.uk.com Fri Jan 14 13:23:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F69B750520 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2011 13:23:21 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iHGtY4XwXlf2 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2011 13:23:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail139.messagelabs.com (mail139.messagelabs.com [85.158.137.67]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3F41275051E for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2011 13:23:09 +0000 (UTC) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: Nick.Adamson@generaldynamics.uk.com X-Msg-Ref: server-15.tower-139.messagelabs.com!1295011386!9511751!1 X-StarScan-Version: 6.2.9; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.33.196.17] Received: (qmail 2779 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2011 13:23:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.generaldynamics.uk.com) (217.33.196.17) by server-15.tower-139.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2011 13:23:07 -0000 Received: from mail.generaldynamics.uk.com (HELO gdukadh864.uk1.r-org.net) ([172.16.40.142]) by mail.generaldynamics.uk.com with ESMTP; 14 Jan 2011 13:23:06 +0000 Received: from GDUKADH850.uk1.r-org.net ([172.16.40.137]) by gdukadh864.uk1.r-org.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 14 Jan 2011 13:23:00 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 13:23:03 -0000 Message-ID: <634C6DD300F1EE46879A1A84896F361403557E38@GDUKADH850.uk1.r-org.net> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [orca-list] Changing volume in Gnome. Thread-Index: Acuz7TI6fOXN+VnVTdeQpq3dcN+r5gAAH+Jw References: <634C6DD300F1EE46879A1A84896F361403557D0E@GDUKADH850.uk1.r-org.net> From: To: , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2011 13:23:00.0171 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A3229B0:01CBB3EE] Subject: Re: [orca-list] Changing volume in Gnome. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 13:23:21 -0000 Hi Milton. It's the main volume I want to change, its not just Orca that's quiet. I found the sound mixer dialog you talk about some time ago but have never worked out how to change the volume once you select what it is you want to change. Any ideas? Thanks. Nick -----Original Message----- From: Milton [mailto:milton@tomaatnet.nl]=20 Sent: 14 January 2011 13:16 To: Nick Adamson; blinux-list@redhat.com; orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Changing volume in Gnome. There are 2 ways; first try to adjust the volume setting in Orca by pressing the Preferences button, then go to the Speech page and tab to the Volume setting. With the arrow up and down you can increase or decrease the volume. Second you can adjest the volume setting in the Sound preferences in System > Preferences > Sound. I run Lucid but I think the above is the same in Hardy. Milton ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nick.Adamson@generaldynamics.uk.com=20 To: blinux-list@redhat.com ; orca-list@gnome.org=20 Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 10:03 AM Subject: [orca-list] Changing volume in Gnome. Hi All. =20 I'm using ORCA on a Ubuntu Hardy box. It seems a really daft question but I've looked around for ages and haven't worked out how to do this. I can here ORCA but its very quiet, how do I turn it up? =20 Thanks. Nick. =20 =20 Nick Adamson Software Engineer Advanced Projects and Technology =20 General Dynamics United Kingdom Limited Bryn Brithdir, Oakdale Business Park, Blackwood, South Wales, NP12 4AA=20 Telephone: +44 (0)1495 23 6467 =20 Email: Nick.Adamson@generaldynamics.uk.com =20 Website: www.generaldynamics.uk.com =20 To help reduce waste paper, please only print this email if you really need to. =09 =20 =09 ________________________________ =09 _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Fri Jan 14 16:05:46 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71EC9750478 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2011 16:05:46 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HlfRc4YPi0zc for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2011 16:05:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D76A750448 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2011 16:05:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws9 with SMTP id 9so1039476vws.27 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2011 08:05:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent :mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=lraiukJKPWipOmWSsgeSi0589hCsdWAYGntHqeiu71g=; b=qOzx66SMn/sdjf2JH7584tm/dzaWd9sgVd6bksbTKmMyfgRCIUtkWDKbZqo53LNKxK K5ugcUX613A501ARdtLdZoW1sNs06V98djYmaiJzHI/RlhAEl+/p7n38pD3Z3C2xC1rt B5yV8ZuuXO6dRtKjcrRIgLsovf6heKz4sZiFg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=J96/0qWjPziSOkFl6usoJKqp96fQ/hlDQxPI5ATSGHsJzNAgC2rIT5rRjw/k0Ux5B6 geFq7wxYCkXapPQRT3xy8YLtaGhpj3bFCwgsKGxhFYAtRGHYygaaqej7tgxJx9VJnrAD UsKj+UIW+DPEPI/7NeJApYtTqN2zBGbHfN4n0= Received: by 10.220.192.68 with SMTP id dp4mr284851vcb.224.1295021132800; Fri, 14 Jan 2011 08:05:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.35.105] (c-98-217-239-60.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [98.217.239.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u6sm657316vby.7.2011.01.14.08.05.31 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 14 Jan 2011 08:05:31 -0800 (PST) Sender: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <4D30744B.6040302@gnome.org> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 11:05:31 -0500 From: Joanmarie Diggs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b10pre) Gecko/20110113 Thunderbird/3.3a2pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hammer Attila References: <4D302DE2.5010900@pickup.hu> In-Reply-To: <4D302DE2.5010900@pickup.hu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] In Ubuntu natty, valid the help topics is not displaying? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: joanied@gnome.org List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 16:05:46 -0000 Hi Attila. That would be this bug: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=637082 Note that at the moment, the very latest Natty with Orca is unstable. Very unstable. Preferences might not work, Orca might not work. We're looking into these issues currently. But in the meantime, the recommendation "Natty is an unstable release still, do not use it on a production machine" applies. Take care. --joanie On 01/14/2011 06:05 AM, Hammer Attila wrote: > Hy, > > Before I reporting following bug, I would like ask your help a > confirmation: > My Ubuntu Natty have now Orca-2.91.4 factory packaged version. When I > click the help button in main window, nothing happen. > I see a traceback message with the debug.out file, with I don't no > already reported anybody or this trace back message are valid or not > real error: > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/orca/orca_gui_main.py", line 162, in > helpButtonClicked > orca.helpForOrca() > File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/orca/orca.py", line 1755, in helpForOrca > gtk.get_current_event_time()) > gio.Error: (the gived place is not supported) > In my Lucid system have Orca full uptodated git master version, and the > help topics is wonderful displaying if I click the main window help button. > Anybody confirming this problem, or this problem existing only my Natty > system? > If anybody confirming this problem, this is an Ubuntu Natty specific > problem (need I reporting this problem with gnome-orca package with > launchpad.net), or a general problem and needI reporting this problem > with bugzilla? > > Now I not installed in my Natty system yet the full uptodated git master > version, but if need, I of course doing this to test this problem. > > Attila > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From milton@tomaatnet.nl Fri Jan 14 18:56:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F288F7504CC for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2011 18:56:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.461 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.461 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.439] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PtW9WUS4ghz4 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2011 18:56:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp5.versatel.nl (smtp5.versatel.nl [62.58.50.96]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 243D27504C7 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2011 18:56:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 20042 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jan 2011 18:56:31 -0000 Received: from ip208-80-209-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl (HELO milton) ([87.209.80.208]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp5.versatel.nl (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for < >; 14 Jan 2011 18:56:31 -0000 Message-ID: <972CC67C215844DA8FD31BEA6D5911CF@milton> From: "Milton" To: , References: <634C6DD300F1EE46879A1A84896F361403557D0E@GDUKADH850.uk1.r-org.net> <634C6DD300F1EE46879A1A84896F361403557E38@GDUKADH850.uk1.r-org.net> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 19:56:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Changing volume in Gnome. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 18:56:45 -0000 Hi Nick, According to my Lucid machine I press Alt+F1 to go to the top panel, with left arrow to the System menu, down arrow to the Preferences menu and right arrow to the Sound option. The first option when pressing the Enter key is the volume adjustment. Down arrow will increase the volume and you will hear it at once. When done tab to the Close button and press the Enter key. While tabbing you will meet tabpages for other options. Navigating to another tab page with left and right arrow. Success. Milton ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 2:23 PM Subject: RE: [orca-list] Changing volume in Gnome. Hi Milton. It's the main volume I want to change, its not just Orca that's quiet. I found the sound mixer dialog you talk about some time ago but have never worked out how to change the volume once you select what it is you want to change. Any ideas? Thanks. Nick -----Original Message----- From: Milton [mailto:milton@tomaatnet.nl] Sent: 14 January 2011 13:16 To: Nick Adamson; blinux-list@redhat.com; orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Changing volume in Gnome. There are 2 ways; first try to adjust the volume setting in Orca by pressing the Preferences button, then go to the Speech page and tab to the Volume setting. With the arrow up and down you can increase or decrease the volume. Second you can adjest the volume setting in the Sound preferences in System > Preferences > Sound. I run Lucid but I think the above is the same in Hardy. Milton ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick.Adamson@generaldynamics.uk.com To: blinux-list@redhat.com ; orca-list@gnome.org Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 10:03 AM Subject: [orca-list] Changing volume in Gnome. Hi All. I'm using ORCA on a Ubuntu Hardy box. It seems a really daft question but I've looked around for ages and haven't worked out how to do this. I can here ORCA but its very quiet, how do I turn it up? Thanks. Nick. Nick Adamson Software Engineer Advanced Projects and Technology General Dynamics United Kingdom Limited Bryn Brithdir, Oakdale Business Park, Blackwood, South Wales, NP12 4AA Telephone: +44 (0)1495 23 6467 Email: Nick.Adamson@generaldynamics.uk.com Website: www.generaldynamics.uk.com To help reduce waste paper, please only print this email if you really need to. ________________________________ _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From w0jrl1@gmail.com Sat Jan 15 05:36:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 742EC7504C9 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 05:36:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.137 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.137 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=1.553, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3MWnQPsNixqH for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 05:36:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6F6675049F for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 05:36:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwj21 with SMTP id 21so1432040gwj.27 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2011 21:36:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=OtTy00WLqXklI1JEEnJfiMTUuywLV2HHuWuhunPDoKg=; b=N6N55cq0fKGtevz4xgpbAPTqMue7TbT3c/7WOBExo4RIIfVnG2ruR1yCCEsZ9Hlem0 tW6TNz4+fVsO2PCUWLJjFyJkou6YkPP5lMLSuAqhvEu5xr/GwIYaJpDQyT7x4OGGKDTv KOEZnAFY4DhD62bsNYDhjxvx8Auu++6ApCfV0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=K01RF2NN6/dZg+as32OZ3R4JU6oos0YXK11OgAE/an/XSOz11ctayW+5uIug78z1TZ JuHRQrrTnl0pKlKHYbZuswoQHmWumIDQSE0MYq66lZ9m8vFxL/lfw/54FGSLeZlcWL0Z 1M01Md8BMtQwerv2FnWjFEQOOb8NLfq7KM8Dw= Received: by 10.151.82.7 with SMTP id j7mr1976381ybl.435.1295069763500; Fri, 14 Jan 2011 21:36:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.213.1.100] (173-14-3-141-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.14.3.141]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k1sm1284854ybj.12.2011.01.14.21.36.01 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 14 Jan 2011 21:36:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D31323C.5050701@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 22:35:56 -0700 From: Jeremy Lincicome User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D2D4B61.20608@att.net> <1294844985.31941.11.camel@stormdragon-laptop> <4D2DD7ED.7090805@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4D2DD7ED.7090805@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] brasero anyone X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 05:36:17 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi. gnome-baker doesn't seam to exist in Maverick. Anyone know of another burner that will work? Thanks, Jeremy On 01/12/2011 09:33 AM, Vojt?ch PolĂĄ?ek wrote: > Try gnome baker: > sudo aptitude install gnome-baker > It's very accessible and I think I've already burned some audio cds with it. > Vojta > > On 12.1.2011 16:09, Storm Dragon wrote: >> Hi, >> Brasero used to be great. There was an option to just select tracks >> from another window and copy them, then paste in the Brasero window >> with control+v. This is no longer possible though, so the only way we >> have to do it is to tab to add and press enter, but then, if you try >> to press enter on a sub directory you get a warning that directories >> can not be added to an audio project and it wants to search the >> directory for audio tracks. This is great if you want every track in >> the directory added but not so good if the directory contains 50 >> tracks for example. I really don't know a way around this, except >> maybe using flat review to click on the directory, but sometimes that >> fails too. So, a new/better cd burning application would be a good thing. >> Thanks >> Storm >> -- >> "Death or glory i will find, Rebellion on my mind." >> Grave Digger >> Registered Linux user number 508465: >> http://counter.li.org/ >> My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: >> http://www.stormdragon.us/ >> Get paid to read email: >> http://is.gd/feRiB >> >> >> On Wed, 2011-01-12 at 01:34 -0500, Guy Schlosser wrote: >>> Hi all, I have a question about Brasero CD burner, or just curious what >>> some of you are using to burn audio CD's. The problem I am having is >>> that when I try and place songs into a CD layout, I cannot tell where to >>> put them. I see the message to drag and drop from file manager, but I >>> don't seem to be able to get focus on that area to paste the songs >>> there. I had success in Lucid, but in Maverick, not so much. I am >>> using orca 2.32.0 and the latest Brasero in maverick updates. Has >>> anyone had success with this? I appreciate any suggestions, or even a >>> suggestion of a different utility. Thanks much in advance, and have a >>> good night. >>> >>> >>> Guy >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>> Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNMTIaAAoJECVrjD5tazajeXYIAKcUY6zymeQDsbC/WVlYE0kA VSRZbQVI0OeQq47j9gb28NvWqMPFLlEwZT9guC+YBpUpwhuUDBZ58PStxwE5GERi DAmW2Jsua4oLBG/lpm3QHlsZtBTDE2RGGm/EOu/yHdESMmhWn7xi3aG0hO2nnONv bY1l9PukwLMYhhL99pOreeKd5AjpGrWuFqntH0LJOws5reLuVtixaiEs3BxHiWbO 58nYGAfF3vCr4tpJWxMvptsoUmZa6+/ra7kRcxwO6yDZ3zXYsdalkdkj3JM3g0kw Qfq6s5YyG4StDgZX379EMXvjuyH374lM3GUjKlDBMk0iuTK7kXEBVE+PTOVwFMU= =5OXH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From hammera@pickup.hu Sat Jan 15 06:08:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2664F75049F for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 06:08:45 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vXfI2WL6LyDE for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 06:08:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A75AA7503FC for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 06:08:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id 8B687E8310 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 07:48:04 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D3139DE.50401@pickup.hu> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 07:08:30 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D302DE2.5010900@pickup.hu> <4D30744B.6040302@gnome.org> In-Reply-To: <4D30744B.6040302@gnome.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] In Ubuntu natty, valid the help topics is not displaying? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 06:08:45 -0000 Joanie, thank you the answer and the bugreport link. Of course I using Natty with testing purpose, mi stable production system is Lucid. Attila From krecoun@gmail.com Sat Jan 15 09:04:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FD6F75035F for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 09:04:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b0e5GZykyJis for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 09:04:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA56C750227 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 09:04:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm16 with SMTP id 16so3751349fxm.27 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 01:03:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:disposition-notification-to:date :from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YXZadQOuolD8hF0DfMEbClT6icb8tYJ7GhvUKB+7XL8=; b=wPV6JN5kH2ik8XRqvAcii0rkEstjIu8/OeK+1SCoPflGj/4+CkpeC9DHN03tjj1mIS jpu7bmTfEZn/CvHuag6Y16iVAIycNwPiIN9na9K4pUFmX0p00eXA65IZfSYbXo1rimjK ZSuFgyc69uH36zTh1baYesBf+9fI/iLYgOkRs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:disposition-notification-to:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=UgCgnxlfhdm8sQQP3vQZYDNayRaIpMmgASnP43x/c3rDljOUjXJo6Ze/lmTd6k2eh4 5wcEszS3g8jBMP6Ns61KVm4P9VnzS843ax9LrwdX91sJTSuQedZZ8PN/lPX4vM6+mgPi lQMpjdlHOEfRrZodIDIhF0PPuQ2ajtqFpbceE= Received: by 10.223.115.11 with SMTP id g11mr1896973faq.64.1295082238618; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 01:03:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.153] (193-85-184-236.roznovan.cz [193.85.184.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 21sm800420fav.41.2011.01.15.01.03.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 15 Jan 2011 01:03:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D3162FB.7020207@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 10:03:55 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?Vm9qdMSbY2ggUG9sw6HFoWVr?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; cs; rv:1.9.2.14pre) Gecko/20110114 Lightning/1.0b2 Shredder/3.1.8pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D2D4B61.20608@att.net> <1294844985.31941.11.camel@stormdragon-laptop> <4D2DD7ED.7090805@gmail.com> <4D31323C.5050701@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4D31323C.5050701@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] brasero anyone X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 09:04:13 -0000 It's there, try sudo apt-get install gnomebaker. Or add getdeb repositories, it should be there. deb http://mirrors.dotsrc.org/getdeb/ubuntu maverick-getdeb apps deb-src http://mirrors.dotsrc.org/getdeb/ubuntu maverick-getdeb apps Vojta On 15.1.2011 06:35, Jeremy Lincicome wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi. > gnome-baker doesn't seam to exist in Maverick. Anyone know of another > burner that will work? > > Thanks, > Jeremy > > > On 01/12/2011 09:33 AM, Vojt?ch PolĂĄ?ek wrote: >> Try gnome baker: >> sudo aptitude install gnome-baker >> It's very accessible and I think I've already burned some audio cds with it. >> Vojta >> >> On 12.1.2011 16:09, Storm Dragon wrote: >>> Hi, >>> Brasero used to be great. There was an option to just select tracks >>> from another window and copy them, then paste in the Brasero window >>> with control+v. This is no longer possible though, so the only way we >>> have to do it is to tab to add and press enter, but then, if you try >>> to press enter on a sub directory you get a warning that directories >>> can not be added to an audio project and it wants to search the >>> directory for audio tracks. This is great if you want every track in >>> the directory added but not so good if the directory contains 50 >>> tracks for example. I really don't know a way around this, except >>> maybe using flat review to click on the directory, but sometimes that >>> fails too. So, a new/better cd burning application would be a good thing. >>> Thanks >>> Storm >>> -- >>> "Death or glory i will find, Rebellion on my mind." >>> Grave Digger >>> Registered Linux user number 508465: >>> http://counter.li.org/ >>> My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: >>> http://www.stormdragon.us/ >>> Get paid to read email: >>> http://is.gd/feRiB >>> >>> >>> On Wed, 2011-01-12 at 01:34 -0500, Guy Schlosser wrote: >>>> Hi all, I have a question about Brasero CD burner, or just curious what >>>> some of you are using to burn audio CD's. The problem I am having is >>>> that when I try and place songs into a CD layout, I cannot tell where to >>>> put them. I see the message to drag and drop from file manager, but I >>>> don't seem to be able to get focus on that area to paste the songs >>>> there. I had success in Lucid, but in Maverick, not so much. I am >>>> using orca 2.32.0 and the latest Brasero in maverick updates. Has >>>> anyone had success with this? I appreciate any suggestions, or even a >>>> suggestion of a different utility. Thanks much in advance, and have a >>>> good night. >>>> >>>> >>>> Guy >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>>> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>>> Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>> Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNMTIaAAoJECVrjD5tazajeXYIAKcUY6zymeQDsbC/WVlYE0kA > VSRZbQVI0OeQq47j9gb28NvWqMPFLlEwZT9guC+YBpUpwhuUDBZ58PStxwE5GERi > DAmW2Jsua4oLBG/lpm3QHlsZtBTDE2RGGm/EOu/yHdESMmhWn7xi3aG0hO2nnONv > bY1l9PukwLMYhhL99pOreeKd5AjpGrWuFqntH0LJOws5reLuVtixaiEs3BxHiWbO > 58nYGAfF3vCr4tpJWxMvptsoUmZa6+/ra7kRcxwO6yDZ3zXYsdalkdkj3JM3g0kw > Qfq6s5YyG4StDgZX379EMXvjuyH374lM3GUjKlDBMk0iuTK7kXEBVE+PTOVwFMU= > =5OXH > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From jdashiel@shellworld.net Sat Jan 15 15:19:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19D857506A6 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 15:19:52 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.244 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.244 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SARE_RECV_IP_069060096=1.666, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 584WmvQHm63u for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 15:19:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server1.shellworld.net (shellworld.net [69.60.117.94]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DF22750653 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 15:19:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by server1.shellworld.net (Postfix, from userid 1024) id 1D1D122A55; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 09:19:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server1.shellworld.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AF8222A2E; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 10:19:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 10:19:39 -0500 (EST) From: Jude DaShiell To: vidya hariharan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] solutions for making orca work with qt X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 15:19:52 -0000 Wouldn't the testing of qt with axerciser package provide useful help? On Mon, 10 Jan 2011, vidya hariharan wrote: > our project is orca support, as a part of which we are trying to make a qt > application compatible with orca. Can anybody help us with that.. we have > created a widget using python qt-4. we dont know how to combine it with > orca. > From mj@mjw.se Sat Jan 15 16:24:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95C7D75018B for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 16:24:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.79 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.79 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BVTqOiDpQftG for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 16:24:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mjw.se (mjw.se [88.80.29.25]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64BB775008F for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 16:24:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mj (c-aa16e255.457-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se [85.226.22.170]) by mjw.se (vPostMaster) with ESMTP id BB1F43DFFED for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 17:24:58 +0100 (CET) From: "mattias" To: Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 17:24:43 +0100 Message-ID: <003701cbb4d0$b79edc70$aa16e255@mj> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 Importance: Normal Subject: [orca-list] qt X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 16:24:53 -0000 How to try qt with orca? From luchyanus@gmail.com Sat Jan 15 16:36:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDE9575018B for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 16:36:12 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bxE-NEcWpJcD for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 16:36:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 680FD75008F for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 16:36:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk8 with SMTP id 8so1534059gxk.27 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 08:35:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=TiT0QdKtSJNQkyAuxrkVTyP3oZCQOFoyGI5tMHa8SCU=; b=b7fSi2cdoItXXb3w2mDOVTY/SyqV/lsmZ8G1FfZ+vREmHRDAbxpqORADBjPYzuAYzA mrO/2qKJOJvWiQKmsnTIpaeIeYan+++cvNRxR18oM4bxfXjJ+UDhRuZnEjiW4WYp4Jj8 Ff0QRutQLc5Xdrpx8feWtwbv1IadNMj+lgRfY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=V9/2Ycr4RdPF1liwKcV9vf7aF/YH6YzoBeA6n6mF/ShfEdwjnL9EOkPv3J0ls5KcPe JCHLMHO96qBbZMmhejZKn2w7fkwU6Cb2SQgIFxm9TDi63k2dJH9rxBocxB4x0csvDsVo OJeDH1i0OOiQ1FkQqqv+9oJLbrTlE01X9zoQs= Received: by 10.90.118.14 with SMTP id q14mr2752257agc.23.1295109359816; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 08:35:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.202.81.8] ([189.1.143.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d15sm2929892ana.35.2011.01.15.08.35.57 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 15 Jan 2011 08:35:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D31CCE8.9020406@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 14:35:52 -0200 From: Luciano de Souza User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Writer suddenly closed and work lost X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 16:36:13 -0000 Hello, When editing a document in Writer, the application suddenly crashes, closing and losing all the done work. I really like Open Office, but Writer, in contact with Orca, doesn't seem to be reliable. As far as I could observe, Orca has a very good support for Writer and Calc, however, with crashes, I think it's not suitable to use Writer for important tasks. I use Open Office 3.2 and Orca 2.32.0. Is this the best combination? Is there something I can do to solve or reduce the problem? is there other alternatives to edit texts with advanced formatation? What do you suggest me? Regards, Luciano From milton@tomaatnet.nl Sat Jan 15 16:42:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A03C275018B for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 16:42:30 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9-ytcA9qDkd7 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 16:42:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp7.versatel.nl (smtp6.versatel.nl [62.58.50.97]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9428875008F for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 16:42:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 25992 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jan 2011 16:42:16 -0000 Received: from ip208-80-209-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl (HELO milton) ([87.209.80.208]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp6.versatel.nl (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for < >; 15 Jan 2011 16:42:16 -0000 Message-ID: <578E539353B94E2482181EE2E045121F@milton> From: "Milton" To: "Luciano de Souza" , References: <4D31CCE8.9020406@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 17:42:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Writer suddenly closed and work lost X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 16:42:30 -0000 Hi Luciano, In Ubuntu Lucid and Maverick I also confirm this problem. But now with Orca 2.91.5 in Lucid I don't have those problems. Also with Orca 2.31.1 Writer did not crash in Lucid as in Maverick as well. Milton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luciano de Souza" To: Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 5:35 PM Subject: [orca-list] Writer suddenly closed and work lost > Hello, > > When editing a document in Writer, the application suddenly crashes, > closing and losing all the done work. > > I really like Open Office, but Writer, in contact with Orca, doesn't seem > to be reliable. As far as I could observe, Orca has a very good support > for Writer and Calc, however, with crashes, I think it's not suitable to > use Writer for important tasks. > > I use Open Office 3.2 and Orca 2.32.0. Is this the best combination? Is > there something I can do to solve or reduce the problem? is there other > alternatives to edit texts with advanced formatation? What do you suggest > me? > > Regards, > > Luciano > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From kg84@dreamwld.com Sat Jan 15 16:48:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A64D750476 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 16:48:18 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.801 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gQHhO3L0mZrl for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 16:48:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-gw11.han.skanova.net (smtp-gw11.han.skanova.net [81.236.55.20]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB71A75018B for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 16:48:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from grahn (90.230.212.29) by smtp-gw11.han.skanova.net (8.5.133) id 4D2F1826000CCCCC for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 17:48:04 +0100 Message-ID: <004801cbb4d3$f751bf60$2301a8c0@grahn> From: "Kristoffer Gustafsson" To: Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 17:47:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0045_01CBB4DC.58F272C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: [orca-list] Orca and speech dispatcher X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 16:48:18 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01CBB4DC.58F272C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi. I need a little help with orca and speech dispatcher. I'm running debian, and install speech dispatcher, and the python = interface for it. When configuring speech dispatcher it says that the python interface is = incompatible with speech dispatcher, and when switching to dispatcher in = orca it stops to speak. ALso, when I cchange default speech module in dispatcher I only get = espeak, I've tried both with ibmtts and dectalk. I would like to get both ttsynth and dectalk to work. What can be wrong? /Kristoffer ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01CBB4DC.58F272C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi.
I need a little help with orca and = speech=20 dispatcher.
 
I'm running debian, and install speech = dispatcher,=20 and the python interface for it.
When configuring speech dispatcher it = says that the=20 python interface is incompatible with speech dispatcher, and when = switching to=20 dispatcher in orca it stops to speak.
ALso, when I cchange default speech = module in=20 dispatcher I only get espeak, I've tried both with ibmtts and=20 dectalk.
I would like to get both ttsynth and = dectalk to=20 work.
 
What can be wrong?
/Kristoffer
------=_NextPart_000_0045_01CBB4DC.58F272C0-- From milton@tomaatnet.nl Sat Jan 15 16:49:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B4A5750521 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 16:49:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oxuZf0BYzsbi for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 16:49:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp8.versatel.nl (smtp8.versatel.nl [62.58.50.100]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91A15750476 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 16:49:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 1434 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jan 2011 16:49:21 -0000 Received: from ip208-80-209-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl (HELO milton) ([87.209.80.208]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp8.versatel.nl (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for < >; 15 Jan 2011 16:49:21 -0000 Message-ID: <7715A355E3434D0BBF96DA018C70F4EE@milton> From: "Milton" To: =?utf-8?B?Vm9qdMSbY2ggUG9sw6HFoWVr?= , References: <4D2D4B61.20608@att.net> <1294844985.31941.11.camel@stormdragon-laptop> <4D2DD7ED.7090805@gmail.com><4D31323C.5050701@gmail.com> <4D3162FB.7020207@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 17:49:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [orca-list] brasero anyone X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 16:49:37 -0000 Hi Vojta, Thanks for sharing. In Lucid and in Maverick I could not find gnome-baker before. So I use the deb Storm made, he posted here before. But first I had to install icedax and cdrdao. Milton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vojtěch Polášek" To: Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [orca-list] brasero anyone > It's there, try sudo apt-get install gnomebaker. > Or add getdeb repositories, it should be there. > deb http://mirrors.dotsrc.org/getdeb/ubuntu maverick-getdeb apps > deb-src http://mirrors.dotsrc.org/getdeb/ubuntu maverick-getdeb apps > Vojta > On 15.1.2011 06:35, Jeremy Lincicome wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Hi. >> gnome-baker doesn't seam to exist in Maverick. Anyone know of another >> burner that will work? >> >> Thanks, >> Jeremy >> >> >> On 01/12/2011 09:33 AM, Vojt?ch Polá?ek wrote: >>> Try gnome baker: >>> sudo aptitude install gnome-baker >>> It's very accessible and I think I've already burned some audio cds with >>> it. >>> Vojta >>> >>> On 12.1.2011 16:09, Storm Dragon wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> Brasero used to be great. There was an option to just select tracks >>>> from another window and copy them, then paste in the Brasero window >>>> with control+v. This is no longer possible though, so the only way we >>>> have to do it is to tab to add and press enter, but then, if you try >>>> to press enter on a sub directory you get a warning that directories >>>> can not be added to an audio project and it wants to search the >>>> directory for audio tracks. This is great if you want every track in >>>> the directory added but not so good if the directory contains 50 >>>> tracks for example. I really don't know a way around this, except >>>> maybe using flat review to click on the directory, but sometimes that >>>> fails too. So, a new/better cd burning application would be a good >>>> thing. >>>> Thanks >>>> Storm >>>> -- >>>> "Death or glory i will find, Rebellion on my mind." >>>> Grave Digger >>>> Registered Linux user number 508465: >>>> http://counter.li.org/ >>>> My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: >>>> http://www.stormdragon.us/ >>>> Get paid to read email: >>>> http://is.gd/feRiB >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, 2011-01-12 at 01:34 -0500, Guy Schlosser wrote: >>>>> Hi all, I have a question about Brasero CD burner, or just curious >>>>> what >>>>> some of you are using to burn audio CD's. The problem I am having is >>>>> that when I try and place songs into a CD layout, I cannot tell where >>>>> to >>>>> put them. I see the message to drag and drop from file manager, but I >>>>> don't seem to be able to get focus on that area to paste the songs >>>>> there. I had success in Lucid, but in Maverick, not so much. I am >>>>> using orca 2.32.0 and the latest Brasero in maverick updates. Has >>>>> anyone had success with this? I appreciate any suggestions, or even a >>>>> suggestion of a different utility. Thanks much in advance, and have a >>>>> good night. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Guy >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>>>> The manual is at >>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>>>> Netiquette Guidelines are at >>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>>> The manual is at >>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>>> Netiquette Guidelines are at >>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>> The manual is at >>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>> Netiquette Guidelines are at >>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) >> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ >> >> iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNMTIaAAoJECVrjD5tazajeXYIAKcUY6zymeQDsbC/WVlYE0kA >> VSRZbQVI0OeQq47j9gb28NvWqMPFLlEwZT9guC+YBpUpwhuUDBZ58PStxwE5GERi >> DAmW2Jsua4oLBG/lpm3QHlsZtBTDE2RGGm/EOu/yHdESMmhWn7xi3aG0hO2nnONv >> bY1l9PukwLMYhhL99pOreeKd5AjpGrWuFqntH0LJOws5reLuVtixaiEs3BxHiWbO >> 58nYGAfF3vCr4tpJWxMvptsoUmZa6+/ra7kRcxwO6yDZ3zXYsdalkdkj3JM3g0kw >> Qfq6s5YyG4StDgZX379EMXvjuyH374lM3GUjKlDBMk0iuTK7kXEBVE+PTOVwFMU= >> =5OXH >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From hackingkk@gmail.com Sat Jan 15 17:47:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD4907506E9 for ; 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U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Milton References: <4D31CCE8.9020406@gmail.com> <578E539353B94E2482181EE2E045121F@milton> In-Reply-To: <578E539353B94E2482181EE2E045121F@milton> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Writer suddenly closed and work lost X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 17:47:15 -0000 On 15/01/11 22:12, Milton wrote: > Hi Luciano, > > In Ubuntu Lucid and Maverick I also confirm this problem. But now with > Orca 2.91.5 in Lucid I don't have those problems. > Also with Orca 2.31.1 Writer did not crash in Lucid as in Maverick as > well. I had similar problems with Orca 2.32.0. So should I downgrade to Orca 2.31.1 or to 2.91.5? Happy hacking. Krishnakant. From joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Sat Jan 15 18:07:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B10E7506DD for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:07:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e-YoyXMun20r for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:07:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63B897506C4 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:07:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk36 with SMTP id 36so3892756qyk.6 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 10:07:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent :mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=SD2jf86L/Ksr1wILzGz9khFGxgK9leMZc8IAmx0lHR4=; b=V5jUJ1zJ2KORX9Dk4DmF0uMpwUPqjCoUXTzh1kriuN1b+L8shiwO+rSRPy6CqdO9TT eGdkF/DWbsPNhSFDKasTYX+bX2i4p67UnoZOrhtcfGEAPxk1w7nYcAKQPtVyJeCveWiK vYuKIZMhj8aQjNbVGtXwVB7ocRgFEi93YTPZI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=U3Zh0wuA+Rr8VTqjSyslApqttaGCGO3a0HQV4MSY+y38QAHixSKUwt2adgU+d033z1 C3cbUMzlkQWeBxLIy/xF80lTiJu2dxUUx/AVRKGiIsfr4LCx6zWSmNWk3Uc1tYTWYdKe 1OhlPv8eqft/DZF74irjDqDpKhP7NTE2oacgQ= Received: by 10.229.245.4 with SMTP id ls4mr1946497qcb.208.1295114830835; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 10:07:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.35.105] (c-98-217-239-60.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [98.217.239.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q12sm1683776qcu.18.2011.01.15.10.07.09 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 15 Jan 2011 10:07:10 -0800 (PST) Sender: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <4D31E24D.4050500@gnome.org> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 13:07:09 -0500 From: Joanmarie Diggs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b10pre) Gecko/20110115 Thunderbird/3.3a3pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackingKK References: <4D31CCE8.9020406@gmail.com> <578E539353B94E2482181EE2E045121F@milton> <4D31DD86.9000507@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4D31DD86.9000507@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Writer suddenly closed and work lost X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: joanied@gnome.org List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:07:23 -0000 Hi guys. >> In Ubuntu Lucid and Maverick I also confirm this problem. But now with >> Orca 2.91.5 in Lucid I don't have those problems. >> Also with Orca 2.31.1 Writer did not crash in Lucid as in Maverick as >> well. > > I had similar problems with Orca 2.32.0. > So should I downgrade to Orca 2.31.1 or to 2.91.5? This wasn't an Orca issue. It was OOo Writer issue. And if you had the problematic version of Writer, then Orca 2.91.5 should cause the crash as well because the code that was triggering the OOo Writer bug is still present and working in Orca 2.91.5. Therefore, what I would recommend instead is getting a newer version of OOo Writer so that you no longer have that bug. Take care. --joanie From joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Sat Jan 15 18:09:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 665087506D0 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:09:26 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GpJDTcqJF4GP for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:09:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qy0-f175.google.com (mail-qy0-f175.google.com [209.85.216.175]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84C7C7506C4 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:09:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk8 with SMTP id 8so484589qyk.6 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 10:09:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent :mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=uLXSyjBkx9ZkiCmrVZxI/XKiS9MumEp5HdmzHNIh/fo=; b=DG0FeG5rNGPYS+R9tUV9dbbq2nIC5rwOifa6nbnrZ7OvS15oZipZvT2pBaseQKBKtH PIC6uWUKQWyKT5fHo8UWvHCMwy1OXRPaBvVMp6MoFH3g863lpSrinu6vEngDqZQ/RlKw SyVRDTbivESumkglSRo8D9kSmz6u+FbaXhYu0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=o1pDoqLQOSEE+I8K2BH5tH7dkrTcWvLyEzNCB0rDzLbuM4v2Vg3XknlqCTHu02mkgS pzngLY9+BFIrKhnj2e62EcwbD1t88WG4OQ7Hboko/yLO6WiLGiWVtk6FBcqFOrl7t+se 7m/WE4aeuPFDw4Kv0f3G0M2UL64TO1CqM8xHg= Received: by 10.229.242.83 with SMTP id lh19mr1956598qcb.226.1295114954699; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 10:09:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.35.105] (c-98-217-239-60.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [98.217.239.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s10sm1673615qco.11.2011.01.15.10.09.07 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 15 Jan 2011 10:09:14 -0800 (PST) Sender: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <4D31E2BA.7080101@gnome.org> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 13:08:58 -0500 From: Joanmarie Diggs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b10pre) Gecko/20110115 Thunderbird/3.3a3pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Luciano de Souza References: <4D31CCE8.9020406@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4D31CCE8.9020406@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Writer suddenly closed and work lost X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: joanied@gnome.org List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:09:26 -0000 Hi Luciano. > I use Open Office 3.2 and Orca 2.32.0. Is this the best combination? Is > there something I can do to solve or reduce the problem? Yes, get a version of Writer in which they have fixed their crasher bug. OOo Writer 3.3 should be okay if memory serves me. The development builds (currently OOo 3.4) should also be fine. Take care. --joanie From joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Sat Jan 15 18:10:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BAFB7506D0 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:10:25 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3xzFRl-25LO6 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:10:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14F287506C4 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:10:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwj9 with SMTP id 9so3631665qwj.27 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 10:10:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent :mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=neU6eUjY3SoWeLIAbDRnvxb2wBktyMT4f2/sXVjeuLU=; b=eXdTcRlY1j2sJxJy5BkimYg2LeUKwuZMdX/1br1Ze31+0eRKqtVQbioNgb9cDtFFyp Sd+Hkz61d8zOrOOC2Femq6WJzDN1lydab1C99A6eeUFeWu1QCU5Ljp1EJWfGOYxWq/Xy BsH7BFXFnYYQVEIPZCoa57DaPe84q7ge6IUaw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=Z4TmkkzA20rwKuj+6+cgnxbXjENcmnIYN7zeRajt+Vbm6oroO0jkw1Cr4/8e2TGep2 hVZIMO77vc4JaxRLDAFp79Gv/657n4WaNBEQLbizVKpCLRUjM7QFZ+mkr0yxnm7k2uT5 uJYlDul402HRAvkrHybBd3uu2+1Dvw2Y9SVL8= Received: by 10.224.37.78 with SMTP id w14mr1016533qad.215.1295115013482; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 10:10:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.35.105] (c-98-217-239-60.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [98.217.239.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g28sm1682239qck.37.2011.01.15.10.10.05 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 15 Jan 2011 10:10:12 -0800 (PST) Sender: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <4D31E2F5.4080707@gnome.org> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 13:09:57 -0500 From: Joanmarie Diggs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b10pre) Gecko/20110115 Thunderbird/3.3a3pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mattias References: <003701cbb4d0$b79edc70$aa16e255@mj> In-Reply-To: <003701cbb4d0$b79edc70$aa16e255@mj> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] qt X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: joanied@gnome.org List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:10:25 -0000 Hi Mattias. On 01/15/2011 11:24 AM, mattias wrote: > How to try qt with orca? This is not yet working. Sorry. --joanie From mwhapples@aim.com Sat Jan 15 20:39:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9BFC75068F; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 20:38:59 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.89 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.89 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LKieFG2Tg+eX; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 20:38:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (imr-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.39]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E10E475059D; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 20:38:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mtaout-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.1]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p0FKcd5p032578; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 15:38:39 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (mwhapples.plus.com [80.229.137.216]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id E4A9FE0000A4; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 15:38:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4D3204B9.2050904@aim.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 20:34:01 +0000 From: Michael Whapples User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b8pre) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.3a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: joanied@gnome.org References: <4D31CCE8.9020406@gmail.com> <578E539353B94E2482181EE2E045121F@milton> <4D31DD86.9000507@gmail.com> <4D31E24D.4050500@gnome.org> In-Reply-To: <4D31E24D.4050500@gnome.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:431556032:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29014d3205ce3ecd X-AOL-IP: 80.229.137.216 Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Writer suddenly closed and work lost X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 20:39:00 -0000 Could you confirm which branch this fix should be in? I seem to remember that in the past you have said to use openoffice 3.4 development branch. I tried installing the archlinux package for that branch (listed as 3.4_dev3000_m95), but still got a crash while cursoring through a document in it. Michael Whapples On -10/01/37 20:59, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > Hi guys. > >>> In Ubuntu Lucid and Maverick I also confirm this problem. But now with >>> Orca 2.91.5 in Lucid I don't have those problems. >>> Also with Orca 2.31.1 Writer did not crash in Lucid as in Maverick as >>> well. >> >> I had similar problems with Orca 2.32.0. >> So should I downgrade to Orca 2.31.1 or to 2.91.5? > > This wasn't an Orca issue. It was OOo Writer issue. And if you had the > problematic version of Writer, then Orca 2.91.5 should cause the crash > as well because the code that was triggering the OOo Writer bug is > still present and working in Orca 2.91.5. Therefore, what I would > recommend instead is getting a newer version of OOo Writer so that you > no longer have that bug. > > Take care. > --joanie > From trev.saunders@gmail.com Sat Jan 15 22:09:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2F027506C7 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 22:09:08 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZZE6fOCBd2jC for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 22:09:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 249A77502F7 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 22:08:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwj9 with SMTP id 9so3715292qwj.27 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 14:08:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=7ckf3CLzFtxKI7wPlC+OOkdgRP63BH20I5p63wgeTu0=; b=jUMcPMwRvjby/3xQ5zAU7gFlL4fyZxDlQBt5u9aIF3QmBSv2RdolalJ7tyH9nmFKWS S1wPrjgQkBWdeRz7c1j4AFlfTEicZAjAiaaLe8heyT8fTrAbXhxrGauX+V61MmAN7fV1 6THAYijKO2vnL8caiShKTKPGVk/xmHqrNJcqg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=rxkJF39Jlt8BYMEIODWxNnnFxPuHkttc2EzKNgr8Df9rSfa0VmRhtaOHZHpz+PX5D1 0NKrA6hWKcYskweAJbYU3XwhNypw8oT6o6+IA9KHwOXHaCY+mRPVwA8fDCooQ4nWx7Li GEsq/7it9aIVG42ncYfLNjvPETS5wSjCY+L+8= Received: by 10.224.54.134 with SMTP id q6mr2204749qag.393.1295129333679; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 14:08:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from football.tbsaunde.org ([128.237.254.201]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g28sm1803745qck.13.2011.01.15.14.08.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 15 Jan 2011 14:08:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 17:07:39 -0500 From: Trevor Saunders To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110115220739.GA13702@football.tbsaunde.org> References: <4D31CCE8.9020406@gmail.com> <578E539353B94E2482181EE2E045121F@milton> <4D31DD86.9000507@gmail.com> <4D31E24D.4050500@gnome.org> <4D3204B9.2050904@aim.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="TB36FDmn/VVEgNH/" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D3204B9.2050904@aim.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Writer suddenly closed and work lost X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 22:09:09 -0000 --TB36FDmn/VVEgNH/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 08:34:01PM +0000, Michael Whapples wrote: > Could you confirm which branch this fix should be in? I seem to > remember that in the past you have said to use openoffice 3.4 > development branch. I tried installing the archlinux package for > that branch (listed as 3.4_dev3000_m95), but still got a crash while > cursoring through a document in it. that is infact the latest build as of a couple weeks ago. See if there is an update, and if not please get a stack trace and file a bug with OO. If you want to be really nice see if you can reproduce in libre office and file a bug with them. Trev >=20 > Michael Whapples > On -10/01/37 20:59, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > >Hi guys. > > > >>>In Ubuntu Lucid and Maverick I also confirm this problem. But now with > >>>Orca 2.91.5 in Lucid I don't have those problems. > >>>Also with Orca 2.31.1 Writer did not crash in Lucid as in Maverick as > >>>well. > >> > >>I had similar problems with Orca 2.32.0. > >>So should I downgrade to Orca 2.31.1 or to 2.91.5? > > > >This wasn't an Orca issue. It was OOo Writer issue. And if you had > >the problematic version of Writer, then Orca 2.91.5 should cause > >the crash as well because the code that was triggering the OOo > >Writer bug is still present and working in Orca 2.91.5. Therefore, > >what I would recommend instead is getting a newer version of OOo > >Writer so that you no longer have that bug. > > > >Take care. > >--joanie > > >=20 > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightl= y/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQu= estions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp --TB36FDmn/VVEgNH/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNMhqrAAoJEBfSn9LueXXXVDsP/2rzAU/0QNvazVrqy6rjWPmN ym5bcD9BRllkIs1GXJLvqqhQSLUlZTyCKfzk0WMvxP7n7kNNWseNBtiI+8Eo5Y3d p3DT7S7zp4s78qQ9adfnc/U/xzUVDNIztohdrToKYNK5mqtylsbAc4fumQxsgIY3 b2HG3mjG8Q8WQcAmWd3/Tqrsd8aMVJwDCCEYzCx0Wa8UJd8FknTlVp1Boqme3Lv8 tt1i/zdWmlaTKefThvwwFcDESaRoxPZ3JiXF9zWn/Az98bfwlgLhECuzcJNFe6cl KKP4esb+0ex1GCcznHF2gRFM4s9Fac6OaB03brJm1FrrMnQp7jxVZF6Iqh2y/JGQ Bn5BLL6KopvVGI30rgII3tI68R2PGTXOYFEgd8tkpi5MtHxUWmiGAw5xtokIUOLG RmA4c2+A/GrF4O9656ZL6VlRW5R1jdLFPb8QNaWxi+lGnu9ai7kyKkPj5GDqhab0 YsdIDSfvT03aMQsKzqMxDvtT0TsflqpuHDynXFzofTtNOvoULCS/0ITRzyVi46Ug 0CsMs9hTH5sbRdHOMbOEERJHe7wqjhkN5S9pIV89Rs7vR8dsRHqWdp2LZTRx2t8M DnS6t14rwFqxeQAYM3VIazHSN6K0Vkjil7Yd/WhOVv4mAj1ctk9vrlxyYU5+5uBh Sk8bqs1WRy7XIHYG7otI =9GGh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --TB36FDmn/VVEgNH/-- From joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Sat Jan 15 22:33:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDBC37502F7 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 22:33:27 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.59 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.59 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oZJh5z9LynxJ for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 22:33:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 085E07500F2 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 22:33:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwj9 with SMTP id 9so3722042qwj.27 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 14:33:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=f5tgbQRrNaL3cwwXhg5tuNsY8Jg+1Qt/UDYSCiqOfhY=; b=WDfBIxgiDZFFnuNtVbF6SR/oJkbNGBgZ8VQWj8AWUNkxyjCMz4KAr7NlLbsv1fIy8P h8ZQ16/LpnrnbOw1x2yKJJ9EqJDV7hwiNlKhiOcoLGVjhEt/eg/9CNfVcdi5AmdCdPEj G3ENI3SlXzSt+1/vjzhQ7YM8CP7MMat95e2G4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=sQY1qjq1/nKBzCAuQJnXGfNubbu+QUoaA1Kkh0DW2jeDMagHJsb0vSn7h9hK/FJsDo v9TpNy2b18/S4m0EJidHCyT7iefm4x2PcG9cZqdDUk8GGnrpIT33Mm0pdabJCA0t+n4x DLCSrfxMk9OncViFY3u+5OnF/8F1OmgyeCUjE= Received: by 10.224.80.136 with SMTP id t8mr2278233qak.113.1295130795331; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 14:33:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.35.105] (c-98-217-239-60.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [98.217.239.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y17sm1812276qci.45.2011.01.15.14.33.14 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 15 Jan 2011 14:33:14 -0800 (PST) Sender: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <4D3220AB.60206@gnome.org> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 17:33:15 -0500 From: Joanmarie Diggs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b10pre) Gecko/20110115 Thunderbird/3.3a3pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Known Issue: Help seems to be broken in Natty for all users and many (if not all) apps X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: joanied@gnome.org List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 22:33:28 -0000 Hey guys. As I stated in the Subject: Help is broken in Natty. Not just for Orca, not just if accessibility support is enabled. It's just broken as best as I can tell. I found an existing, but not really triaged, bug downstream and added some more details. For those interested, the bug is here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/695260 Whether or not downstream will re-upstream it to some other module remains to be seen. Take care. --joanie From stormdragon2976@gmail.com Sat Jan 15 22:55:20 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B8F8750714 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 22:55:20 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.146 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.146 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=1.553, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PLFvSTUoBIfz for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 22:55:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yi0-f44.google.com (mail-yi0-f44.google.com [209.85.218.44]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57CE775026C for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 22:55:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yie19 with SMTP id 19so2341723yie.31 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 14:55:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references :content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=9+Sb4BQcmrJ/Y2Pn+5M5ou0Je3eo5uK4tPzz/YrqnWU=; b=FuvF1YDOJ+VEZnS8YrJNBShOvyaiLhu1osVWCykuGb7UsWBVpb4aveETBcZ+Ex/+/d gH8qWTvsnzmickQYvOoMKtFM3CU8mANVGZ9MN+Uw4Zc7XU0F3YyOTNVoH/YutSqzGv4O a0v6eie+7xqLgzrjqgNoOMtadP4EzF9zJ4Qfk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id :mime-version:x-mailer; b=ljYEc27IAHeyCtOd+V4fnJE6Nd2A5gJAmkyRUpr5PadoXmVLUNPDjeIimuBwj+xTK6 g3B+ynHHq1u/v6+7P2mz8pMGjaHrK/HcMe1iLn3p1xSyyt4h4VxoG/XXTdyJx3AJ/VtV kqhOrdBueZ4WnGN1aGKeYlwpKbiCGl3CYdRjs= Received: by 10.151.101.12 with SMTP id d12mr3014611ybm.14.1295132106775; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 14:55:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([137.118.186.73]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v7sm1235425ybe.15.2011.01.15.14.55.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 15 Jan 2011 14:55:04 -0800 (PST) From: Storm Dragon To: Orca-list In-Reply-To: <1293844391.1833.151.camel@blockhead> References: <1293843823.2706.12.camel@stormdragon-laptop> <1293844391.1833.151.camel@blockhead> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-LLFTF0It9vEkmNiqR9Ks" Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 17:54:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1295132097.2570.75.camel@stormdragon-laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca Donations X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 22:55:20 -0000 --=-LLFTF0It9vEkmNiqR9Ks Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Any word on our donations page yet? I hope I am not being too impatient lol. Thanks Storm -- "They pray to the heavens above that I will never ever come back" Lordi Registered Linux user number 508465: http://counter.li.org/ My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: http://www.stormdragon.us/ Get paid to read email: http://is.gd/feRiB On Fri, 2010-12-31 at 20:13 -0500, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > Hi Storm. > > Thanks again for your interest in this. I've made a number of inquiries, > gotten some responses. I've got a few more inquiries to make. Please > stay tuned. > > Take care. > --joanie > > On Fri, 2010-12-31 at 20:03 -0500, Storm Dragon wrote: > > Hi, > > Was there ever any response about setting up an Orca donations page? > > Thanks > > Storm > > -- > > Registered Linux user number 508465: > > http://counter.li.org/ > > My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: > > http://www.stormdragon.us/ > > My last.fm profile: > > http://www.last.fm/user/stormdragon2976 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > orca-list mailing list > > orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > --=-LLFTF0It9vEkmNiqR9Ks Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi,
Any word on our donations page yet? I hope I am not being too impatient lol.
Thanks
Storm
-- 
"They pray to the heavens above that I will never ever come back"
Lordi
Registered Linux user number 508465:
http://counter.li.org/
My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon:
http://www.stormdragon.us/
Get paid to read email:
http://is.gd/feRiB


On Fri, 2010-12-31 at 20:13 -0500, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: 
Hi Storm.

Thanks again for your interest in this. I've made a number of inquiries,
gotten some responses. I've got a few more inquiries to make. Please
stay tuned.

Take care.
--joanie

On Fri, 2010-12-31 at 20:03 -0500, Storm Dragon wrote:
> Hi,
> Was there ever any response about setting up an Orca donations page?
> Thanks
> Storm
> -- 
> Registered Linux user number 508465:
> http://counter.li.org/
> My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon:
> http://www.stormdragon.us/
> My last.fm profile:
> http://www.last.fm/user/stormdragon2976
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> orca-list mailing list
> orca-list@gnome.org
> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
--=-LLFTF0It9vEkmNiqR9Ks-- From joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Sat Jan 15 23:03:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85DEB75026C for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 23:03:47 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8mTSyzYuhiqe for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 23:03:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB71E7506F5 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 23:03:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws9 with SMTP id 9so1541392vws.27 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 15:03:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent :mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Gqm9U83MJUF2gMhGJ4YrRaqs3yS3EoF/J680CAoVCeg=; b=HuVhetkBgxYBsUbg0fc/wIZrFwraAElmhshIef4XwR9A+K2qgUMbHx5FnPiYgW8sDL cI6ijaFVTKrdck4hFNk8QlQXKgHqAE8z6tJWSH1VmN7IkJHE0cP+s3/EYdJ+dU+d/ZWU Gux1cC/DTSZyDTAy2A6HevyqipNSXjc9aqEK4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=m4yO6LfHnboWCNjYF5mEKkwxzTrTQjJ7u1ShT+NUXRj5lodlaWNBhHAx9kuDXU1FjX 2eQukYBw4nfq5CA9Y7gD7opHax/l2uMDvDe6kx9j3PTmJLjCbVvfLwCeHrkF+iR/8YJL +gh/dWIzGbzL2PracJ+gmSWWYsgykAMJfmMn8= Received: by 10.220.193.198 with SMTP id dv6mr713067vcb.84.1295132614620; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 15:03:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.35.105] (c-98-217-239-60.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [98.217.239.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b26sm1445117vby.3.2011.01.15.15.03.33 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 15 Jan 2011 15:03:34 -0800 (PST) Sender: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <4D3227C6.2030209@gnome.org> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:03:34 -0500 From: Joanmarie Diggs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b10pre) Gecko/20110115 Thunderbird/3.3a3pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Storm Dragon References: <1293843823.2706.12.camel@stormdragon-laptop> <1293844391.1833.151.camel@blockhead> <1295132097.2570.75.camel@stormdragon-laptop> In-Reply-To: <1295132097.2570.75.camel@stormdragon-laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Orca-list Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca Donations X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: joanied@gnome.org List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 23:03:47 -0000 Storm, I promise you. As soon as we have sorted out where donations should be given for the sake of supporting Orca specifically, I'll announce it. Really. Until that time, you should assume that we do not have an answer to give you. Thanks! --joanie On 01/15/2011 05:54 PM, Storm Dragon wrote: > Hi, > Any word on our donations page yet? I hope I am not being too impatient lol. > Thanks > Storm From joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Sun Jan 16 00:22:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4769075071C for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 00:22:55 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h71gag3bdQEv for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 00:22:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qy0-f175.google.com (mail-qy0-f175.google.com [209.85.216.175]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76F88750295 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 00:22:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk8 with SMTP id 8so604286qyk.6 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 16:22:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent :mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=JvEEp3dabc2Ti4/TsRmqxd8n4mNHawA0MjrkjvloQ98=; b=CYUgdvk84wnobTxBYxS/O+Q8oAzK9nbHdXy+58mmU5bTS6hFs+1usvs5pOoDAFZoN0 Xv/PPUYaM9Vi88GcPnX/xb+oqI/vFk0sJ6oNs1mxQBoFa/lDBr21ExaBgvEuWN+WizJC qv+mV5CjgT3jecA52035wJA9ABuy5Va2n/aME= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=K0Mt6Vo3/iMh9rgcJicO8oLUG90YD2CTGIsS6AwyU6AXU42G7jNeqmhlp3WoMmOX/1 Pglyswcl/VriA/1fP2bB1jGzXeh4Q1ocjp4iP19t/wULhi5x4IbZ0lQ9rKNaVd9wakaR Oqog+H+bqlXc61C8KVm8VvPYDlOfXYtBUfNAM= Received: by 10.229.239.6 with SMTP id ku6mr2211379qcb.85.1295137362008; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 16:22:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.35.105] (c-98-217-239-60.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [98.217.239.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l12sm1870997qcu.19.2011.01.15.16.22.40 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 15 Jan 2011 16:22:41 -0800 (PST) Sender: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <4D323A52.50809@gnome.org> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 19:22:42 -0500 From: Joanmarie Diggs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b10pre) Gecko/20110115 Thunderbird/3.3a3pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Trevor Saunders References: <4D31CCE8.9020406@gmail.com> <578E539353B94E2482181EE2E045121F@milton> <4D31DD86.9000507@gmail.com> <4D31E24D.4050500@gnome.org> <4D3204B9.2050904@aim.com> <20110115220739.GA13702@football.tbsaunde.org> In-Reply-To: <20110115220739.GA13702@football.tbsaunde.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Writer suddenly closed and work lost X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: joanied@gnome.org List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 00:22:55 -0000 Hey guys. > OO. If you want to be really nice see if you can reproduce in libre > office and file a bug with them. Actually, I already did that with LibreOffice a while back, after building the entire office suite from source, complete with trace. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31973 I've not been able to reproduce it with the latest OOo Writer, but later I can try again. Take care. --joanie From hammera@pickup.hu Sun Jan 16 08:50:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E9AC750682 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 08:50:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Lmfd1myqadPZ for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 08:50:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 009807504CF for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 08:50:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id 94CB7E83B7 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 10:29:53 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D32B14F.8050102@pickup.hu> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 09:50:23 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [orca-list] I hopefuly fixed an I18n related bug with orca --help outputs related X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 08:50:38 -0000 Hy, When I looked the orca --help output in gnome-terminal, a string is not marked for translation with end of output before the report bugs part, and some strings is partialy marked for translation. For example some option is using after the equals character the "filename" string, but the problem for example hungarian language we always spokening filename with "fájlnév" word, similar the dirname word with "könyvtárnév" word with translated applications. This all problems fixed my patch, please look and if my patch is good, please commit. The link is following: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=639649 Note: the original english help outputs is fit always in gnome-terminal window without wrapping near middle a word? I using the hungarian translation some places with \n simbols, but I don't no possible verifying the english output with terminal for example the |more command part. Select all and paste for example gedit is not good, because Gedit wrapping longer lines. Attila From sreejthslash@gmail.com Sun Jan 16 09:24:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 956D5750682 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 09:24:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IeSW52HOVJMN for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 09:24:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B45157504CF for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 09:24:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm16 with SMTP id 16so4720684fxm.27 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 01:24:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=GCNJQw+2QZufYVaFzGtl7B1M6VX59Ar3lvu7p8XQQJg=; b=O7dTULVSHtUS4SQ4k5myc3NQb1kf2DPyDN80Bv7gOHFkc11en2KM8XbHf7DaLMsdQ6 tSOf9XpL3Pm4jsptuOHNHrkQnKQ0QQ9aygmFzRue8WlHTEGmNDB7zbRpZApAsixt7+av snBmmjyaIo7lChXhDugqo6xIfFyvHJkkpQsuM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=Mfey1wpoY+kj2qK5VBZ9nX7bWVf1S319uzCJdnt3ydeTj2eTAdj/MjSOBpWEAr/E+v 2PHiOLRQYYKl9SHeD1I9rtXRp3EZZOMlnF4pP2D7lVQMimY0K+Pk+OW8+MgDQqCBPX3D uf1lOPcnHIYgfAcGesaVFKVu/fahj+Jpt4wFE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.114.81 with SMTP id d17mr1505454bkq.135.1295169875342; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 01:24:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.99.76 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 01:24:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 14:54:35 +0530 Message-ID: From: SREEJITH K To: orca-list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [orca-list] about screen reader/document reader X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 09:24:48 -0000 dear members I request you to inform me the details of any screen reader/document reader in Indian language available in open source platform -- The flowering of love is meditation. Jiddu Krishnamurti From hammera@pickup.hu Sun Jan 16 09:41:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89086750682 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 09:41:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J5ncZCCFz59e for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 09:41:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 456B97500CB for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 09:41:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id 5A967E8200 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 11:21:09 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D32BD52.1010200@pickup.hu> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 10:41:38 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] An interesting basic where am I bug X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 09:41:51 -0000 Hy, I am looking now following problem in Mallard style pages: When I jumping a section link with Tab or Shift+Tab key, and doing basic where am I command, where am I command spokening full different information with the caret is positioned. I reported this bug and attached a debug.out file with containing some triages. The link is following: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=639652 Unfortunately this problem is always reproducable. Attila From hackingkk@gmail.com Sun Jan 16 11:26:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Delivered-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64DA875072E for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 11:26:22 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qowgu8VwzcZv for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 11:26:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pz0-f54.google.com (mail-pz0-f54.google.com [209.85.210.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4566750741 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 11:26:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk32 with SMTP id 32so698966pzk.27 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 03:26:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=fFRzb3kuiahqJ/SXms1tG5gPlBxHV9blgwa5ce0UqSM=; b=rRpPshh/fI9R6FagSXh4ABTNgBRLooIAAAwSL4IVXsKzS3oUWRSZxW79rBYPBpmRq+ +PgSGw+jr42FLE7sUgPQ7uIYduOLuGCdeCx7qO+D4j/jZOkQdBuxHOA8Pm5ZSruYPPLy Q+JA3bXCDu9cGX6PBFkjzCsx/ie323rzPU/D8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Xt2LMfKeqQnhVkLgu8K+8iQEaa25ExV8ZEWoC+tC7z/NI4iSYwRiqb9o5Td0ENHvig 1Zaw4eLBdca/xsRM9ZGtuBmzuL3VGmBPeOEhdZuzgRpxoUp2etO2LucX5o8nJWGC7wO+ ReAWT+yUHqI5SlwH6X23GrXjjbg0WX3wGanEM= Received: by 10.142.242.8 with SMTP id p8mr2472339wfh.279.1295177168978; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 03:26:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.11.13] ([120.138.112.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o1sm4804841wfl.2.2011.01.16.03.26.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 16 Jan 2011 03:26:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D32D4BD.2000904@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 16:51:33 +0530 From: hackingKK User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] netbeans accessibility X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 11:26:22 -0000 Hello all. Has any one got any experience using Netbeans with Orca. If it is inaccessible then I think some one has to take this up. To the best of my knowledge, it works very wel for Java and Python. So would be interested to know how well it does with Orca. happy hacking. Krishnakant. From heliooos@gmail.com Sun Jan 16 12:15:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6441750861 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 12:15:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01PbGn1hyRLt for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 12:15:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E22BA750841 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 12:14:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwj9 with SMTP id 9so3911316qwj.27 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 04:14:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=9i4aTewh+qG/CfajgGevLAq7ViMf4D8vkLj8tBsJ6Cw=; b=lzjfiYZpgyC8YYy1qKAQFJN6h4FpC+vaz4VQDOrwInJ0EFHjYBph8dYjVJcyggvmLo jPI5XxogkCX3UofFDBrp/QgAJ//4xL18gLt1mJ0oz3NeiM51VfUfc1CdBC55TufcQ2xi BDK/9CinwkmcuRh15v33omWC+d5xxiYQTUXkE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=rbRR4mkYpSJgowYyiXBqQuRADlFt4zlooL7S1Spq2UIjhoM2W+nSVs9gy8+dA1QEO/ e95psWoFQvdsgRwiG+GLZMdG5K7g9pcV5yygF6u4h6GpkbCyIBlS+wCacOVRXRv9U+nM plLWnGTyaV4bRbLYUN9MFa7h4z+2E5ekUbKlo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.89.69 with SMTP id d5mr2802751qam.59.1295180098219; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 04:14:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.95.68 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 04:14:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 13:14:58 +0100 Message-ID: From: Helios To: orca-list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [orca-list] Writer suddenly closed and work lost X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 12:15:09 -0000 Hi, according to my sister`s experience, there is some problem with automatic bullets and numbering in Openoffice which always leads to crash. When you deactivate this feature, it should be ok. Do not know if it is a problem of Openoffice or Orca but this occures for a long time using various Orca and OpenOffice versions (we use stable versions only). regards Helios From joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Sun Jan 16 12:44:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9A19750841 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 12:44:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zLCpeE96BTdO for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 12:44:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E350750746 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 12:44:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so4022955iwn.27 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 04:44:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=7pJM5CevrlX44gG4HcJodslUlUr9XFe9kJzEs3EeyuQ=; b=QduEwNavALhqnUjxwnqCXeqHX0AiFpaBowG7Mn0LCdTS5TNvvPclgcYjh4kQFsR/8W GVgHc8UqgYoXVCQCLQ7P3yiVas9wwCK8b8Hed0UaLGobO3EHFydIo/HZQtAJU5Inlbm/ AqT+lDB3/7P2UzBi7e9j8LU9HbphQNGDNejaw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; b=ogDXotn+m55esReLx1Xee1ghPMbptbWu8Sm4op+W81kw93QcsZGHqNbBylJj0kqTvg X9TYDZxmUxEndQHNZvCHHHj0Emo/7nmBiWz4/MNUHHBlVqJ8av8/gMrQJkfaGpDm8Ezk ZlUrGWZg18BWr1fGKu33UGNBQEfuff5cEuLao= Received: by 10.231.30.70 with SMTP id t6mr2866579ibc.165.1295181856286; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 04:44:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Received: by 10.231.149.67 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 04:43:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4D32D0D7.1050501@seznam.cz> References: <003701cbb4d0$b79edc70$aa16e255@mj> <4D31E2F5.4080707@gnome.org> <4D32D0D7.1050501@seznam.cz> From: Joanmarie Diggs Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 07:43:56 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9DLkNmGWYXra2ubVV3Jq0cYNSNM Message-ID: To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Petr_Bl=E1ha?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] qt X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 12:44:29 -0000 Hi Petra. Replying to the full list. > And what about the future of Orca QT support? Is there any possibility that > Orca will particulary support QT applications? Absolutely. That is our plan. But first we need the persons (or it may just be one person currently) working on the qt-atspi2 bridge to complete that work. > And if yes, what might be done for it? Once Orca can access Qt apps through AT-SPI/AT-SPI2, we'll start writing scripts for them. Take care. --joanie From kirjautuja@gmail.com Sun Jan 16 14:52:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12AFB750260 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 14:52:31 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.689 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.689 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v-Up3mtpN7P1 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 14:52:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C33E0750224 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 14:52:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyf19 with SMTP id 19so4311030wyf.27 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 06:52:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=UfoHHYxGJRuXbQD3Z70L5Ywm8T/3lwDAENmfyTZwnkc=; b=K+oyqJ/rVvyGMPyf29jyWyiTVoHXH3PtmmLFuN5KMYxeOquMZSHgNzCxE+LHKNkUCc kGrmo00NLqo5qfv1PCtSty1WcyggOqlVHiRVUul+1gbvngw/+MzhX1f+05x/T4zJGCAz SdIDQTvw9Eb14mLbs5txbBnimUo7Jx39RvcRs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=gzczxbuByInub7uuSMRRRdpxo+w7hPxUyz7pOtUeqR1Qt4uHkAnmnYlawqpFgwRMFt rgNRlwuPuIgnKzijUbsT9iHx0HoCaiZjev0EIGPyKUpFHG+mLFPlXtWCNYgZd3t21ktA 65TgHHv10qtadix8QPoJV0cHCThuH8Sx36hK0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.0.140 with SMTP id 12mr2443749web.29.1295189538167; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 06:52:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.156.82 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 06:52:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 16:52:18 +0200 Message-ID: From: kirjautuja none To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f6d75856ecd70499f7d035 Subject: [orca-list] Only the clipboard to speech? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 14:52:31 -0000 --001485f6d75856ecd70499f7d035 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, Is it possible to have Orca/eSpeak to speech only what is copied to the clipboard? I have tried to look how to accomplish this but the documentation didn't explain how to modify the program well enough and the scripts and script examples were quite confusing. I would need at least a general direction where to start looking to accomplish this. Right now I'm trying to make thi= s work on an Ubuntu system with as little amount of modification to the system itself as possible. This would greatly help my very slow reading (dyslexia). Jani Saarenp=E4=E4 --001485f6d75856ecd70499f7d035 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello,

Is it possible to have Orca/eSpeak to speech only what is cop= ied to the clipboard?

I have tried to look how to accomplish this b= ut the documentation didn't
explain how to modify the program well = enough and the scripts and script
examples were quite confusing. I would need at least a general direction where to start looking to accomplish this. Right now I'm trying to ma= ke this
work on an Ubuntu system with as little amount of modification t= o the
system itself as possible.

This would greatly help my very slow read= ing (dyslexia).


Jani Saarenp=E4=E4
--001485f6d75856ecd70499f7d035-- From hackingkk@gmail.com Sun Jan 16 16:36:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Delivered-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4121575013F for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 16:36:45 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.459 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.459 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_BF=0.077, TW_GD=0.077, TW_GT=0.077, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0Y4Pl6XgqLmp for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 16:36:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6E9075010F for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 16:36:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyb26 with SMTP id 26so4274589iyb.27 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 08:36:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=a8kS86cCm1aymVBjx/b7SMliv/R0AYWtHbXbHIfGUU4=; b=BTNSfwQmVPSX/KMLVw68exwVsL110tGG3BPIthjRza9rEH2yPMVWoFd+xn59mkdNgG e8qlyxuc3QCIZkf52eMtKFffkB2W0XXDXlcsc9F4gacee7NAIem+yQeChCCay46WWcCv /Qjt64mPRAnaBVD6XkLmirs7+ff8jAYhRBvOk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=GZqe6c7uwH0H0TSct6/Q7eibCD/rUoOZIifF9Ha71f03XR9dspqdDu4+DIajE/bG2P 0khidYBmeUZIUz30MCWrb+Hf2xCOU8U7DBpADNICI5awmMTkNrSqGjzdbsWfeT9EQraC 7IwCTCidOQQ59lknvfDYQjpjkJMARDUuWsFGg= Received: by 10.42.221.5 with SMTP id ia5mr3334746icb.284.1295195760234; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 08:36:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (triband-mum-59.183.63.96.mtnl.net.in [59.183.63.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id jv9sm2840784icb.1.2011.01.16.08.35.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 16 Jan 2011 08:35:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D331E63.40904@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 22:05:47 +0530 From: hackingKK User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] trying to compile java ATK wrapper, error log given in the mail. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 16:36:45 -0000 Hello all. I tryed to compile the JAW but got errors regarding gconf2 But I already have gconf2 setup in my system. Following is the terminal output. checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E checking for ANSI C header files... yes checking for sys/types.h... yes checking for sys/stat.h... yes checking for stdlib.h... yes checking for string.h... yes checking for memory.h... yes checking for strings.h... yes checking for inttypes.h... yes checking for stdint.h... yes checking for unistd.h... yes checking dlfcn.h usability... yes checking dlfcn.h presence... yes checking for dlfcn.h... yes checking for g++... g++ checking whether we are using the GNU C++ compiler... yes checking whether g++ accepts -g... yes checking dependency style of g++... gcc3 checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... g++ -E checking for g77... no checking for xlf... no checking for f77... no checking for frt... no checking for pgf77... no checking for cf77... no checking for fort77... no checking for fl32... no checking for af77... no checking for xlf90... no checking for f90... no checking for pgf90... no checking for pghpf... no checking for epcf90... no checking for gfortran... no checking for g95... no checking for xlf95... no checking for f95... no checking for fort... no checking for ifort... no checking for ifc... no checking for efc... no checking for pgf95... no checking for lf95... no checking for ftn... no checking whether we are using the GNU Fortran 77 compiler... no checking whether accepts -g... no checking the maximum length of command line arguments... 32768 checking command to parse /usr/bin/nm -B output from gcc object... ok checking for objdir... .libs checking for ar... ar checking for ranlib... ranlib checking for strip... strip checking if gcc supports -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions... no checking for gcc option to produce PIC... -fPIC checking if gcc PIC flag -fPIC works... yes checking if gcc static flag -static works... yes checking if gcc supports -c -o file.o... yes checking whether the gcc linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries... yes checking whether -lc should be explicitly linked in... no checking dynamic linker characteristics... GNU/Linux ld.so checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate checking whether stripping libraries is possible... yes checking if libtool supports shared libraries... yes checking whether to build shared libraries... yes checking whether to build static libraries... yes configure: creating libtool appending configuration tag "CXX" to libtool checking for ld used by g++... /usr/bin/ld checking if the linker (/usr/bin/ld) is GNU ld... yes checking whether the g++ linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries... yes checking for g++ option to produce PIC... -fPIC checking if g++ PIC flag -fPIC works... yes checking if g++ static flag -static works... yes checking if g++ supports -c -o file.o... yes checking whether the g++ linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries... yes checking dynamic linker characteristics... GNU/Linux ld.so checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate appending configuration tag "F77" to libtool checking for pkg-config... /usr/bin/pkg-config checking pkg-config is at least version 0.9.0... yes checking for JAW... configure: error: Package requirements ( atk >= 1.17.0 glib-2.0 gthread-2.0 gmodule-2.0 gdk-2.0 gconf-2.0 ) were not met: No package 'gconf-2.0' found Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you installed software in a non-standard prefix. Alternatively, you may set the environment variables JAW_CFLAGS and JAW_LIBS to avoid the need to call pkg-config. See the pkg-config man page for more details. krishna@kk-laptop:~/Downloads/java-atk-wrapper-0.30.4$ sudo apt-get install gconf gconf2 gconf-cleaner gconf-editor gconf2-common gconf-defaults-service krishna@kk-laptop:~/Downloads/java-atk-wrapper-0.30.4$ sudo apt-get install gconf gconf2 gconf-cleaner gconf-editor gconf2-common gconf-defaults-service krishna@kk-laptop:~/Downloads/java-atk-wrapper-0.30.4$ sudo apt-get install gconf2 gconf2 gconf2-common krishna@kk-laptop:~/Downloads/java-atk-wrapper-0.30.4$ sudo apt-get install gconf2 [sudo] password for krishna: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done gconf2 is already the newest version. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 45 not upgraded. krishna@kk-laptop:~/Downloads/java-atk-wrapper-0.30.4$ whereis gconf2 gconf2: krishna@kk-laptop:~/Downloads/java-atk-wrapper-0.30.4$ whereis gconf gconf: /etc/gconf /usr/share/gconf krishna@kk-laptop:~/Downloads/java-atk-wrapper-0.30.4$ sudo apt-get build-dep gnome-orca Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following NEW packages will be installed cdbs docbook-xsl docbook-xsl-doc-html fdupes gnome-pkg-tools libbonobo2-dev libffi-dev libidl-dev liblouis-dev liborbit2-dev libpopt-dev libssl-dev orbit2 python-dev python-gnome2-dev python-gobject-dev python-gtk2-dev python-gtk2-doc python-pyorbit-dev python2.6-dev 0 upgraded, 20 newly installed, 0 to remove and 45 not upgraded. Need to get 13.2MB of archives. After this operation, 63.2MB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y Get:1 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main fdupes i386 1.50-PR2-3 [20.0kB] Get:2 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main cdbs all 0.4.83ubuntu2 [1,216kB] Get:3 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main docbook-xsl all 1.75.2+dfsg-5 [1,602kB] Get:4 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main docbook-xsl-doc-html all 1.75.2-1 [552kB] Get:5 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main gnome-pkg-tools all 0.16.3ubuntu1 [23.5kB] Get:6 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main libidl-dev i386 0.8.14-0.1 [84.0kB] Get:7 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main liborbit2-dev i386 1:2.14.18-0.1 [378kB] Get:8 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main libpopt-dev i386 1.16-1 [50.3kB] Get:9 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main libbonobo2-dev i386 2.32.0-0ubuntu1 [662kB] Get:10 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick-updates/main libssl-dev i386 0.9.8o-1ubuntu4.3 [2,013kB] Get:11 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main orbit2 i386 1:2.14.18-0.1 [11.4kB] Get:12 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main python2.6-dev i386 2.6.6-5ubuntu1 [4,401kB] Get:13 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick-updates/main python-dev all 2.6.6-2ubuntu2 [958B] Get:14 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main libffi-dev i386 3.0.9-2ubuntu2 [95.2kB] Get:15 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main python-gobject-dev all 2.21.5-0ubuntu3 [308kB] Get:16 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main python-gtk2-dev all 2.21.0-0ubuntu1 [162kB] Get:17 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main python-pyorbit-dev all 2.24.0-5ubuntu3 [10.9kB] Get:18 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main python-gnome2-dev all 2.28.1-1ubuntu2 [74.2kB] Get:19 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main python-gtk2-doc all 2.21.0-0ubuntu1 [1,382kB] Get:20 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main liblouis-dev i386 2.0.0-1ubuntu1 [158kB] Fetched 13.2MB in 1min 3s (208kB/s) Selecting previously deselected package fdupes. 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Setting up docbook-xsl (1.75.2+dfsg-5) ... Setting up docbook-xsl-doc-html (1.75.2-1) ... Setting up gnome-pkg-tools (0.16.3ubuntu1) ... Setting up libidl-dev (0.8.14-0.1) ... Setting up liborbit2-dev (1:2.14.18-0.1) ... Setting up libpopt-dev (1.16-1) ... Setting up libbonobo2-dev (2.32.0-0ubuntu1) ... Setting up libssl-dev (0.9.8o-1ubuntu4.3) ... Setting up orbit2 (1:2.14.18-0.1) ... Setting up python2.6-dev (2.6.6-5ubuntu1) ... Setting up python-dev (2.6.6-2ubuntu2) ... Setting up libffi-dev (3.0.9-2ubuntu2) ... Setting up python-gobject-dev (2.21.5-0ubuntu3) ... Setting up python-gtk2-dev (2.21.0-0ubuntu1) ... Setting up python-pyorbit-dev (2.24.0-5ubuntu3) ... Setting up python-gnome2-dev (2.28.1-1ubuntu2) ... Setting up python-gtk2-doc (2.21.0-0ubuntu1) ... Setting up liblouis-dev (2.0.0-1ubuntu1) ... krishna@kk-laptop:~/Downloads/java-atk-wrapper-0.30.4$ ./configure checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c checking whether build environment is sane... yes checking for a thread-safe mkdir -p... /bin/mkdir -p checking for gawk... no checking for mawk... mawk checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes checking for gcc... gcc checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out checking whether the C compiler works... yes checking whether we are cross compiling... no checking for suffix of executables... checking for suffix of object files... o checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes checking for gcc option to accept ISO C89... none needed checking for style of include used by make... GNU checking dependency style of gcc... gcc3 checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c checking for library containing strerror... none required checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu checking for a sed that does not truncate output... /bin/sed checking for grep that handles long lines and -e... /bin/grep checking for egrep... /bin/grep -E checking for ld used by gcc... /usr/bin/ld checking if the linker (/usr/bin/ld) is GNU ld... yes checking for /usr/bin/ld option to reload object files... -r checking for BSD-compatible nm... /usr/bin/nm -B checking whether ln -s works... yes checking how to recognise dependent libraries... pass_all checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E checking for ANSI C header files... yes checking for sys/types.h... yes checking for sys/stat.h... yes checking for stdlib.h... yes checking for string.h... yes checking for memory.h... yes checking for strings.h... yes checking for inttypes.h... yes checking for stdint.h... yes checking for unistd.h... yes checking dlfcn.h usability... yes checking dlfcn.h presence... yes checking for dlfcn.h... yes checking for g++... g++ checking whether we are using the GNU C++ compiler... yes checking whether g++ accepts -g... yes checking dependency style of g++... gcc3 checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... g++ -E checking for g77... no checking for xlf... no checking for f77... no checking for frt... no checking for pgf77... no checking for cf77... no checking for fort77... no checking for fl32... no checking for af77... no checking for xlf90... no checking for f90... no checking for pgf90... no checking for pghpf... no checking for epcf90... no checking for gfortran... no checking for g95... no checking for xlf95... no checking for f95... no checking for fort... no checking for ifort... no checking for ifc... no checking for efc... no checking for pgf95... no checking for lf95... no checking for ftn... no checking whether we are using the GNU Fortran 77 compiler... no checking whether accepts -g... no checking the maximum length of command line arguments... 32768 checking command to parse /usr/bin/nm -B output from gcc object... ok checking for objdir... .libs checking for ar... ar checking for ranlib... ranlib checking for strip... strip checking if gcc supports -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions... no checking for gcc option to produce PIC... -fPIC checking if gcc PIC flag -fPIC works... yes checking if gcc static flag -static works... yes checking if gcc supports -c -o file.o... yes checking whether the gcc linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries... yes checking whether -lc should be explicitly linked in... no checking dynamic linker characteristics... GNU/Linux ld.so checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate checking whether stripping libraries is possible... yes checking if libtool supports shared libraries... yes checking whether to build shared libraries... yes checking whether to build static libraries... yes configure: creating libtool appending configuration tag "CXX" to libtool checking for ld used by g++... /usr/bin/ld checking if the linker (/usr/bin/ld) is GNU ld... yes checking whether the g++ linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries... yes checking for g++ option to produce PIC... -fPIC checking if g++ PIC flag -fPIC works... yes checking if g++ static flag -static works... yes checking if g++ supports -c -o file.o... yes checking whether the g++ linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries... yes checking dynamic linker characteristics... GNU/Linux ld.so checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate appending configuration tag "F77" to libtool checking for pkg-config... /usr/bin/pkg-config checking pkg-config is at least version 0.9.0... yes checking for JAW... configure: error: Package requirements ( atk >= 1.17.0 glib-2.0 gthread-2.0 gmodule-2.0 gdk-2.0 gconf-2.0 ) were not met: No package 'gconf-2.0' found Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you installed software in a non-standard prefix. Alternatively, you may set the environment variables JAW_CFLAGS and JAW_LIBS to avoid the need to call pkg-config. See the pkg-config man page for more details. krishna@kk-laptop:~/Downloads/java-atk-wrapper-0.30.4$ sudo ./install-sh ./install-sh: no input file specified. krishna@kk-laptop:~/Downloads/java-atk-wrapper-0.30.4$ krishna@kk-laptop:~/Downloads/java-atk-wrapper-0.30.4$ whereis java java: /usr/bin/java /etc/java /usr/lib/java /usr/share/java /usr/share/man/man1/java.1.gz krishna@kk-laptop:~/Downloads/java-atk-wrapper-0.30.4$ clear krishna@kk-laptop:~/Downloads/java-atk-wrapper-0.30.4$ ./configure java_home=/usr/bin checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c checking whether build environment is sane... yes checking for a thread-safe mkdir -p... /bin/mkdir -p checking for gawk... no checking for mawk... mawk checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes checking for gcc... gcc checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out checking whether the C compiler works... yes checking whether we are cross compiling... no checking for suffix of executables... checking for suffix of object files... o checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes checking for gcc option to accept ISO C89... none needed checking for style of include used by make... GNU checking dependency style of gcc... gcc3 checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c checking for library containing strerror... none required checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu checking for a sed that does not truncate output... /bin/sed checking for grep that handles long lines and -e... /bin/grep checking for egrep... /bin/grep -E checking for ld used by gcc... /usr/bin/ld checking if the linker (/usr/bin/ld) is GNU ld... yes checking for /usr/bin/ld option to reload object files... -r checking for BSD-compatible nm... /usr/bin/nm -B checking whether ln -s works... yes checking how to recognise dependent libraries... pass_all checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E checking for ANSI C header files... yes checking for sys/types.h... yes checking for sys/stat.h... yes checking for stdlib.h... yes checking for string.h... yes checking for memory.h... yes checking for strings.h... yes checking for inttypes.h... yes checking for stdint.h... yes checking for unistd.h... yes checking dlfcn.h usability... yes checking dlfcn.h presence... yes checking for dlfcn.h... yes checking for g++... g++ checking whether we are using the GNU C++ compiler... yes checking whether g++ accepts -g... yes checking dependency style of g++... gcc3 checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... g++ -E checking for g77... no checking for xlf... no checking for f77... no checking for frt... no checking for pgf77... no checking for cf77... no checking for fort77... no checking for fl32... no checking for af77... no checking for xlf90... no checking for f90... no checking for pgf90... no checking for pghpf... no checking for epcf90... no checking for gfortran... no checking for g95... no checking for xlf95... no checking for f95... no checking for fort... no checking for ifort... no checking for ifc... no checking for efc... no checking for pgf95... no checking for lf95... no checking for ftn... no checking whether we are using the GNU Fortran 77 compiler... no checking whether accepts -g... no checking the maximum length of command line arguments... 32768 checking command to parse /usr/bin/nm -B output from gcc object... ok checking for objdir... .libs checking for ar... ar checking for ranlib... ranlib checking for strip... strip checking if gcc supports -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions... no checking for gcc option to produce PIC... -fPIC checking if gcc PIC flag -fPIC works... yes checking if gcc static flag -static works... yes checking if gcc supports -c -o file.o... yes checking whether the gcc linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries... yes checking whether -lc should be explicitly linked in... no checking dynamic linker characteristics... GNU/Linux ld.so checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate checking whether stripping libraries is possible... yes checking if libtool supports shared libraries... yes checking whether to build shared libraries... yes checking whether to build static libraries... yes configure: creating libtool appending configuration tag "CXX" to libtool checking for ld used by g++... /usr/bin/ld checking if the linker (/usr/bin/ld) is GNU ld... yes checking whether the g++ linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries... yes checking for g++ option to produce PIC... -fPIC checking if g++ PIC flag -fPIC works... yes checking if g++ static flag -static works... yes checking if g++ supports -c -o file.o... yes checking whether the g++ linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries... yes checking dynamic linker characteristics... GNU/Linux ld.so checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate appending configuration tag "F77" to libtool checking for pkg-config... /usr/bin/pkg-config checking pkg-config is at least version 0.9.0... yes checking for JAW... configure: error: Package requirements ( atk >= 1.17.0 glib-2.0 gthread-2.0 gmodule-2.0 gdk-2.0 gconf-2.0 ) were not met: No package 'gconf-2.0' found Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you installed software in a non-standard prefix. Alternatively, you may set the environment variables JAW_CFLAGS and JAW_LIBS to avoid the need to call pkg-config. See the pkg-config man page for more details. krishna@kk-laptop:~/Downloads/java-atk-wrapper-0.30.4$ From mwhapples@aim.com Sun Jan 16 17:15:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1614175076D for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 17:15:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q52MScxUfoG7 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 17:15:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F87A7505A8 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 17:14:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mtaout-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.1]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p0GHEm6A027457 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 12:14:48 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (mwhapples.plus.com [80.229.137.216]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 033F8E0000A4 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 12:14:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4D33266B.9080806@aim.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 17:10:03 +0000 From: Michael Whapples User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b8pre) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.3a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "orca-list@gnome.org" References: <4D32D4BD.2000904@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4D32D4BD.2000904@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:455571296:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29014d3327872874 X-AOL-IP: 80.229.137.216 Subject: Re: [orca-list] netbeans accessibility X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 17:15:09 -0000 Hello, My answer is that it potentially could be good but there is a big limitation, orca responds painfully slow with it when I have tried it in the past. Why I say that it potentially could be good is that when I have tried it with orca and waited around for orca to respond it does seem to read things reasonably well and also when I have tried netbeans with screen readers on other platforms some of them did seem reasonably good. As I said orca is painfully slow to respond in netbeans, as memory goes in some cases more than a minute, so that alone makes netbeans not really practical for use. As a side note, I think netbeans uses java swing for the user interface, therefore you either need the java access bridge or java atk wrapper installed. I don't know whether this contributes to the slow response by orca as it is bridging to another accessibility API. You asked whether anyone is working on this, the answer is sort of, have a look at the sodbeans http://sodbeans.sf.net project.I say sort of as it doesn't seem like they are solving the issue by correcting the existing tools, but rather creating a plugin to make netbeans accessible (looks like by making netbeans self voicing, I don't know whether when they say about it make it work with screen readers whether they mean just use the screen reader for speech output like firevox plugin did with orca, IE. whether using any of their stuff will allow one to work with netbeans using a Braille display). At the moment I would say the best accessible IDE for java and python is eclipse. Look at the pydev plugin for python support. I know some sighted people have said to me that they prefer netbeans, so I know why you may want to try it out. Hope some of that is useful. Michael Whapples On -10/01/37 20:59, hackingKK wrote: > Hello all. > Has any one got any experience using Netbeans with Orca. > If it is inaccessible then I think some one has to take this up. > To the best of my knowledge, it works very wel for Java and Python. > So would be interested to know how well it does with Orca. > > happy hacking. > Krishnakant. > > From hammera@pickup.hu Sun Jan 16 17:55:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A048750229 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 17:55:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jXA3fpSYzxqZ for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 17:55:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D39F75020C for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 17:55:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id 9CD64E8691 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 19:34:32 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D3330F7.6000402@pickup.hu> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 18:55:03 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] have big speed difference with Orca preferences and Orca application-specific preferences dialog closing time X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 17:55:17 -0000 Hy, I see big performance speed difference with Orca preferences dialog (Orca+Space) and Orca Application-specific preferences dialog closing speed. For example if I launch Yelp application, simple opening the Orca application-specific preference dialog and closing the dialog with Esc key or clicking Ok button to save new preferences, I need waiting 10 second before Orca is begin talking again. When I using normal Orca preferences dialog command (Orca+Space keystroke), I need waiting only 3 second if I closing preferences dialog. I see similar time difference values with Gedit, Firefox applications, I think this is not depending what application are launched. Reproducation steps if you would like testing this problem or verify: 1. Launch any application, for example Firefox or Yelp. 2. Press Orca+Ctrl+Space keystroke. 3. Simple press Esc key to close the dialog, or click OK button. You need wayting 10 second to Orca speech again. I don't no braille showing this problem, I only using Orca with speech. I reported this issue and attached a debug.out file with following bugreport: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=639685 Attila From trev.saunders@gmail.com Sun Jan 16 18:44:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D1D175054F for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 18:44:19 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.459 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.459 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_BF=0.077, TW_GD=0.077, TW_GT=0.077, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LBapXZjX3nBM for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 18:44:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79C6975046A for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 18:44:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk36 with SMTP id 36so4337940qyk.6 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 10:44:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=UF4a8mcVJgmheDSFNgsQSaaf9T6YbndVN5sI0IoWDXY=; b=Qc7+5dc7IvFYqAwZY8Svsw9Jd5y1KCFflH9r2Fd3B1gKaaDIJCjWE7DXdNS50lhFdL N76ZMAxCLSJkeRzZQ+Aa0z707+lONtaX9t2e6Q7JiVn08yMd05F4JVgtH6wm4ZPwc3oD 5m051LGzCmV/knwhSHzSdSz6A4BdRMrBLK6vI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=IeBjxRZ1C5nzyLScbT4TQ95k2yIETkIViwy3h5xAul/TGiSRRTaQ05ZKJjYk9dziKN /JS2BVvOowYfGxZZMz3Q5YPfSDRjEbrC7xQqyHX5LBOfB+N3ECV1z8o+oyodU3Gdwo53 nRtZ4lluFtZjepuJdpxjyiYPsdtbd+/gpKg0I= Received: by 10.224.54.69 with SMTP id p5mr3132341qag.46.1295203441610; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 10:44:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from football.tbsaunde.org (TREVTOP2W.WV.CC.CMU.EDU [128.237.232.195]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t7sm2361819qcs.16.2011.01.16.10.43.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 16 Jan 2011 10:44:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 13:42:46 -0500 From: Trevor Saunders To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110116184246.GA30607@football.tbsaunde.org> References: <4D331E63.40904@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="gBBFr7Ir9EOA20Yy" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D331E63.40904@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: [orca-list] trying to compile java ATK wrapper, error log given in the mail. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 18:44:19 -0000 --gBBFr7Ir9EOA20Yy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > checking pkg-config is at least version 0.9.0... yes > checking for JAW... configure: error: Package requirements ( > atk >=3D 1.17.0 > glib-2.0 > gthread-2.0 > gmodule-2.0 > gdk-2.0 > gconf-2.0 > ) were not met: >=20 > No package 'gconf-2.0' found >=20 > Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you > installed software in a non-standard prefix. >=20 > Alternatively, you may set the environment variables JAW_CFLAGS > and JAW_LIBS to avoid the need to call pkg-config. > See the pkg-config man page for more details. so, the exact thing you are missing is the gconf -2.0.pc file to link against libgconf. You probably need to install a package something like libgconf-dev. You can find out exactly with apt-file search gconf-2.0.pc Trev >=20 > krishna@kk-laptop:~/Downloads/java-atk-wrapper-0.30.4$ sudo apt-get > install gconf > gconf2 gconf-cleaner gconf-editor > gconf2-common gconf-defaults-service > krishna@kk-laptop:~/Downloads/java-atk-wrapper-0.30.4$ sudo apt-get > install gconf > gconf2 gconf-cleaner gconf-editor > gconf2-common gconf-defaults-service > krishna@kk-laptop:~/Downloads/java-atk-wrapper-0.30.4$ sudo apt-get > install gconf2 > gconf2 gconf2-common > krishna@kk-laptop:~/Downloads/java-atk-wrapper-0.30.4$ sudo apt-get > install gconf2 > [sudo] password for krishna: > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > gconf2 is already the newest version. > 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 45 not upgraded. > krishna@kk-laptop:~/Downloads/java-atk-wrapper-0.30.4$ whereis gconf2 > gconf2: > krishna@kk-laptop:~/Downloads/java-atk-wrapper-0.30.4$ whereis gconf > gconf: /etc/gconf /usr/share/gconf > krishna@kk-laptop:~/Downloads/java-atk-wrapper-0.30.4$ sudo apt-get > build-dep gnome-orca > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > The following NEW packages will be installed > cdbs docbook-xsl docbook-xsl-doc-html fdupes gnome-pkg-tools > libbonobo2-dev > libffi-dev libidl-dev liblouis-dev liborbit2-dev libpopt-dev libssl-dev > orbit2 python-dev python-gnome2-dev python-gobject-dev python-gtk2-dev > python-gtk2-doc python-pyorbit-dev python2.6-dev > 0 upgraded, 20 newly installed, 0 to remove and 45 not upgraded. > Need to get 13.2MB of archives. > After this operation, 63.2MB of additional disk space will be used. > Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y > Get:1 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main fdupes i386 > 1.50-PR2-3 [20.0kB] > Get:2 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main cdbs all > 0.4.83ubuntu2 [1,216kB] > Get:3 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main docbook-xsl > all 1.75.2+dfsg-5 [1,602kB] > Get:4 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main > docbook-xsl-doc-html all 1.75.2-1 [552kB] > Get:5 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main > gnome-pkg-tools all 0.16.3ubuntu1 [23.5kB] > Get:6 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main libidl-dev > i386 0.8.14-0.1 [84.0kB] > Get:7 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main > liborbit2-dev i386 1:2.14.18-0.1 [378kB] > Get:8 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main libpopt-dev > i386 1.16-1 [50.3kB] > Get:9 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main > libbonobo2-dev i386 2.32.0-0ubuntu1 [662kB] > Get:10 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick-updates/main > libssl-dev i386 0.9.8o-1ubuntu4.3 [2,013kB] > Get:11 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main orbit2 > i386 1:2.14.18-0.1 [11.4kB] > Get:12 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main > python2.6-dev i386 2.6.6-5ubuntu1 [4,401kB] > Get:13 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick-updates/main > python-dev all 2.6.6-2ubuntu2 [958B] > Get:14 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main libffi-dev > i386 3.0.9-2ubuntu2 [95.2kB] > Get:15 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main > python-gobject-dev all 2.21.5-0ubuntu3 [308kB] > Get:16 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main > python-gtk2-dev all 2.21.0-0ubuntu1 [162kB] > Get:17 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main > python-pyorbit-dev all 2.24.0-5ubuntu3 [10.9kB] > Get:18 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main > python-gnome2-dev all 2.28.1-1ubuntu2 [74.2kB] > Get:19 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main > python-gtk2-doc all 2.21.0-0ubuntu1 [1,382kB] > Get:20 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main > liblouis-dev i386 2.0.0-1ubuntu1 [158kB] > Fetched 13.2MB in 1min 3s (208kB/s) > Selecting previously deselected package fdupes. > (Reading database ... 245945 files and directories currently installed.) > Unpacking fdupes (from .../fdupes_1.50-PR2-3_i386.deb) ... > Selecting previously deselected package cdbs. > Unpacking cdbs (from .../cdbs_0.4.83ubuntu2_all.deb) ... > Selecting previously deselected 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.../python-pyorbit-dev_2.24.0-5ubuntu3_all.deb) ... > Selecting previously deselected package python-gnome2-dev. > Unpacking python-gnome2-dev (from > .../python-gnome2-dev_2.28.1-1ubuntu2_all.deb) ... > Selecting previously deselected package python-gtk2-doc. > Unpacking python-gtk2-doc (from > .../python-gtk2-doc_2.21.0-0ubuntu1_all.deb) ... > Selecting previously deselected package liblouis-dev. > Unpacking liblouis-dev (from .../liblouis-dev_2.0.0-1ubuntu1_i386.deb) ... > Processing triggers for man-db ... > Processing triggers for doc-base ... > Processing 5 added doc-base file(s)... > Registering documents with scrollkeeper... > Processing triggers for install-info ... > Setting up fdupes (1.50-PR2-3) ... > Setting up cdbs (0.4.83ubuntu2) ... > Setting up docbook-xsl (1.75.2+dfsg-5) ... > Setting up docbook-xsl-doc-html (1.75.2-1) ... > Setting up gnome-pkg-tools (0.16.3ubuntu1) ... > Setting up libidl-dev (0.8.14-0.1) ... > Setting up liborbit2-dev (1:2.14.18-0.1) ... > Setting up libpopt-dev (1.16-1) ... > Setting up libbonobo2-dev (2.32.0-0ubuntu1) ... > Setting up libssl-dev (0.9.8o-1ubuntu4.3) ... > Setting up orbit2 (1:2.14.18-0.1) ... > Setting up python2.6-dev (2.6.6-5ubuntu1) ... > Setting up python-dev (2.6.6-2ubuntu2) ... > Setting up libffi-dev (3.0.9-2ubuntu2) ... > Setting up python-gobject-dev (2.21.5-0ubuntu3) ... > Setting up python-gtk2-dev (2.21.0-0ubuntu1) ... > Setting up python-pyorbit-dev (2.24.0-5ubuntu3) ... > Setting up python-gnome2-dev (2.28.1-1ubuntu2) ... > Setting up python-gtk2-doc (2.21.0-0ubuntu1) ... > Setting up liblouis-dev (2.0.0-1ubuntu1) ... > krishna@kk-laptop:~/Downloads/java-atk-wrapper-0.30.4$ ./configure > checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c > checking whether build environment is sane... yes > checking for a thread-safe mkdir -p... /bin/mkdir -p > checking for gawk... no > checking for mawk... mawk > checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes > checking for gcc... gcc > checking for C 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GNU > checking dependency style of gcc... gcc3 > checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c > checking for library containing strerror... none required > checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu > checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu > checking for a sed that does not truncate output... /bin/sed > checking for grep that handles long lines and -e... /bin/grep > checking for egrep... /bin/grep -E > checking for ld used by gcc... /usr/bin/ld > checking if the linker (/usr/bin/ld) is GNU ld... yes > checking for /usr/bin/ld option to reload object files... -r > checking for BSD-compatible nm... /usr/bin/nm -B > checking whether ln -s works... yes > checking how to recognise dependent libraries... pass_all > checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E > checking for ANSI C header files... yes > checking for sys/types.h... yes > checking for sys/stat.h... yes > checking for stdlib.h... yes > checking for string.h... yes > checking for memory.h... yes > checking for strings.h... yes > checking for inttypes.h... yes > checking for stdint.h... yes > checking for unistd.h... yes > checking dlfcn.h usability... yes > checking dlfcn.h presence... yes > checking for dlfcn.h... yes > checking for g++... g++ > checking whether we are using the GNU C++ compiler... yes > checking whether g++ accepts -g... yes > checking dependency style of g++... gcc3 > checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... g++ -E > checking for g77... no > checking for xlf... no > checking for f77... no > checking for frt... no > checking for pgf77... no > checking for cf77... no > checking for fort77... no > checking for fl32... no > checking for af77... no > checking for xlf90... no > checking for f90... no > checking for pgf90... no > checking for pghpf... no > checking for epcf90... no > checking for gfortran... no > checking for g95... no > checking for xlf95... no > checking for f95... no > checking for fort... no > checking for ifort... no > checking for ifc... no > checking for efc... no > checking for pgf95... no > checking for lf95... no > checking for ftn... no > checking whether we are using the GNU Fortran 77 compiler... no > checking whether accepts -g... no > checking the maximum length of command line arguments... 32768 > checking command to parse /usr/bin/nm -B output from gcc object... ok > checking for objdir... .libs > checking for ar... ar > checking for ranlib... ranlib > checking for strip... strip > checking if gcc supports -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions... no > checking for gcc option to produce PIC... -fPIC > checking if gcc PIC flag -fPIC works... yes > checking if gcc static flag -static works... yes > checking if gcc supports -c -o file.o... yes > checking whether the gcc linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared > libraries... yes > checking whether -lc should be explicitly linked in... no > checking dynamic linker characteristics... 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GNU/Linux ld.so > checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate > appending configuration tag "F77" to libtool > checking for pkg-config... /usr/bin/pkg-config > checking pkg-config is at least version 0.9.0... yes > checking for JAW... configure: error: Package requirements ( > atk >=3D 1.17.0 > glib-2.0 > gthread-2.0 > gmodule-2.0 > gdk-2.0 > gconf-2.0 > ) were not met: >=20 > No package 'gconf-2.0' found >=20 > Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you > installed software in a non-standard prefix. >=20 > Alternatively, you may set the environment variables JAW_CFLAGS > and JAW_LIBS to avoid the need to call pkg-config. > See the pkg-config man page for more details. >=20 > krishna@kk-laptop:~/Downloads/java-atk-wrapper-0.30.4$ sudo ./install-sh > ./install-sh: no input file specified. > krishna@kk-laptop:~/Downloads/java-atk-wrapper-0.30.4$ > krishna@kk-laptop:~/Downloads/java-atk-wrapper-0.30.4$ whereis java > java: /usr/bin/java /etc/java /usr/lib/java /usr/share/java > /usr/share/man/man1/java.1.gz > krishna@kk-laptop:~/Downloads/java-atk-wrapper-0.30.4$ clear >=20 > krishna@kk-laptop:~/Downloads/java-atk-wrapper-0.30.4$ ./configure > java_home=3D/usr/bin > checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c > checking whether build environment is sane... yes > checking for a thread-safe mkdir -p... /bin/mkdir -p > checking for gawk... no > checking for mawk... mawk > checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes > checking for gcc... gcc > checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out > checking whether the C compiler works... yes > checking whether we are cross compiling... no > checking for suffix of executables... > checking for suffix of object files... o > checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes > checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes > checking for gcc option to accept ISO C89... none needed > checking for style of include used by make... GNU > checking dependency style of gcc... gcc3 > checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c > checking for library containing strerror... none required > checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu > checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu > checking for a sed that does not truncate output... /bin/sed > checking for grep that handles long lines and -e... /bin/grep > checking for egrep... /bin/grep -E > checking for ld used by gcc... /usr/bin/ld > checking if the linker (/usr/bin/ld) is GNU ld... yes > checking for /usr/bin/ld option to reload object files... -r > checking for BSD-compatible nm... /usr/bin/nm -B > checking whether ln -s works... yes > checking how to recognise dependent libraries... pass_all > checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E > checking for ANSI C header files... yes > checking for sys/types.h... yes > checking for sys/stat.h... yes > checking for stdlib.h... yes > checking for string.h... yes > checking for memory.h... yes > checking for strings.h... yes > checking for inttypes.h... yes > checking for stdint.h... yes > checking for unistd.h... yes > checking dlfcn.h usability... yes > checking dlfcn.h presence... yes > checking for dlfcn.h... yes > checking for g++... g++ > checking whether we are using the GNU C++ compiler... yes > checking whether g++ accepts -g... yes > checking dependency style of g++... gcc3 > checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... g++ -E > checking for g77... no > checking for xlf... no > checking for f77... no > checking for frt... no > checking for pgf77... no > checking for cf77... no > checking for fort77... no > checking for fl32... no > checking for af77... no > checking for xlf90... no > checking for f90... no > checking for pgf90... no > checking for pghpf... no > checking for epcf90... no > checking for gfortran... no > checking for g95... no > checking for xlf95... no > checking for f95... no > checking for fort... no > checking for ifort... no > checking for ifc... no > checking for efc... no > checking for pgf95... no > checking for lf95... no > checking for ftn... no > checking whether we are using the GNU Fortran 77 compiler... no > checking whether accepts -g... no > checking the maximum length of command line arguments... 32768 > checking command to parse /usr/bin/nm -B output from gcc object... ok > checking for objdir... .libs > checking for ar... ar > checking for ranlib... ranlib > checking for strip... strip > checking if gcc supports -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions... no > checking for gcc option to produce PIC... -fPIC > checking if gcc PIC flag -fPIC works... yes > checking if gcc static flag -static works... yes > checking if gcc supports -c -o file.o... yes > checking whether the gcc linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared > libraries... yes > checking whether -lc should be explicitly linked in... no > checking dynamic linker characteristics... GNU/Linux ld.so > checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate > checking whether stripping libraries is possible... yes > checking if libtool supports shared libraries... yes > checking whether to build shared libraries... yes > checking whether to build static libraries... yes > configure: creating libtool > appending configuration tag "CXX" to libtool > checking for ld used by g++... /usr/bin/ld > checking if the linker (/usr/bin/ld) is GNU ld... yes > checking whether the g++ linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared > libraries... yes > checking for g++ option to produce PIC... -fPIC > checking if g++ PIC flag -fPIC works... yes > checking if g++ static flag -static works... yes > checking if g++ supports -c -o file.o... yes > checking whether the g++ linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared > libraries... yes > checking dynamic linker characteristics... GNU/Linux ld.so > checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate > appending configuration tag "F77" to libtool > checking for pkg-config... /usr/bin/pkg-config > checking pkg-config is at least version 0.9.0... yes > checking for JAW... configure: error: Package requirements ( > atk >=3D 1.17.0 > glib-2.0 > gthread-2.0 > gmodule-2.0 > gdk-2.0 > gconf-2.0 > ) were not met: >=20 > No package 'gconf-2.0' found >=20 > Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you > installed software in a non-standard prefix. >=20 > Alternatively, you may set the environment variables JAW_CFLAGS > and JAW_LIBS to avoid the need to call pkg-config. > See the pkg-config man page for more details. >=20 > krishna@kk-laptop:~/Downloads/java-atk-wrapper-0.30.4$ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightl= y/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQu= estions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp --gBBFr7Ir9EOA20Yy Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNMzwmAAoJEBfSn9LueXXX1MsP/3jdEdGtJG/DoGpPc/cpa7fd Pg2bACC3l0wp6n/CbXZG4RLTRjWS0i8qRBZ3+CMjuphb6dN3b4SjUkXPu+wcKtMQ eaRWuUSy1ONCst0JRDUih0mQX5luKdIBBZ6iUztSwRQf3VX1BUZmt+yTlLQZV+As q6m5eLcIALtHV+frcmMYg2GV4kgKchnuyfoiWAjIX3KjjN/llbaCOYolJ0bEeZTk LPV9EMGdTKWhRzUUVvfKaPdYxNrQrJoW/S2Jt20zhqvG6yItxgCDu08/Ogbta4UK 0rEPBw5aOYsZo4RXdGEeT5YI66m1lkvqZS73jncQKzuTh8sDSqXiT2vxtkDCP/ed qcmNBVYZGGnUeCvR1lVTfB0LTuxv6i4At+4gts9digo/C11QA75xavUIzaQlG+2z xY09e+4S0WkfxmVZEgPnyQjgiccLtnTDSamAmVQDQdx4veGIKW4dDHsA19TcZyK9 SkETjFXIffVfanOksP2pwZLNsLJpRM9tVOOkw+KeW/u2aHvayOsHVD8t/nwSt9w8 SnlpoNLppNjT+QabAQprKQqE474afXvgZP/nJFHl+D2qer956KlobGXZ+M3wawvL VmwPIUV4pNoJYXDKab4QPftsJy71Oe22Sn1E/IFwJJ137ccxFfM/eS18AOCdwiG+ wBWN3QAbYPcGgUGl5Yjh =Z8Gg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --gBBFr7Ir9EOA20Yy-- From GlennErvin@cableone.net Sun Jan 16 19:16:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88D6475050F for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 19:16:30 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.789 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.789 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Zc2VUlqzpHJB for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 19:16:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from S4.cableone.net (s4.cableone.net [24.116.0.230]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4AA57501FB for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 19:16:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from KitchenTower (unverified [24.117.154.111]) by S4.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S4) with ESMTP id 38414772-1872270 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 12:16:17 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Glenn" To: Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 13:16:17 -0600 Organization: Home MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-Vpipe: Scanner said ok (av_avast) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 357, in=105, out=0, spam=0 ip=24.117.154.111 X-Originating-IP: 24.117.154.111 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Subject: [orca-list] Voxin or tTsynth? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: Glenn List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 19:16:30 -0000 Hi, I am running Ubuntu, 10.01 I believe, but at any rate, I have never gotten Voxin to run on my computer. Recently I unloaded Orca, and brought the run window, and ran: sudo orca and it came up running viavoice. But it did not stay. Does anyone know how I can get it to work? I have un-remmed the ibm line in the speechd.conf file. It does not show up in Orca speech preferences. I had it working years ago in Ubuntu 7x. Thanks for any help. Glenn From jdashiel@shellworld.net Sun Jan 16 20:52:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7776750771 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 20:52:00 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.244 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.244 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SARE_RECV_IP_069060096=1.666, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tpTvsGDwLJJP for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 20:51:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server1.shellworld.net (shellworld.net [69.60.117.94]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E29BD75050F for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 20:51:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by server1.shellworld.net (Postfix, from userid 1024) id 8F00B22818; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 14:51:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server1.shellworld.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D1F922814; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 15:51:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 15:51:48 -0500 (EST) From: Jude DaShiell To: Glenn In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Voxin or tTsynth? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 20:52:01 -0000 Glenn, Probably repeat the situation and get viavoice up first. Then open up orca preferences and go into speech tab and see if you can select viavoice in that preferences session. Then save your work and try restarting the system and see what comes up.On Sun, 16 Jan 2011, Glenn wrote: > Hi, > I am running Ubuntu, 10.01 I believe, but at any rate, I have never gotten > Voxin to run on my computer. > Recently I unloaded Orca, and brought the run window, and ran: > sudo orca > and it came up running viavoice. > But it did not stay. > Does anyone know how I can get it to work? > I have un-remmed the ibm line in the speechd.conf file. > It does not show up in Orca speech preferences. > I had it working years ago in Ubuntu 7x. > Thanks for any help. > Glenn > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > From GlennErvin@cableone.net Sun Jan 16 21:40:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17E2375077C for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 21:40:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.911 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M9v7+f0gKaiW for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 21:40:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from s2.cableone.net (s2.cableone.net [24.116.0.228]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF92C750794 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 21:40:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from KitchenTower (unverified [24.117.154.111]) by s2.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service s2) with ESMTP id 46793339-1872270 for multiple; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 14:40:19 -0700 Message-ID: <17A6A909B3C24B35817828CC75EFE203@KitchenTower> From: "Glenn" To: "Jude DaShiell" References: Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 15:40:22 -0600 Organization: Home MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-Vpipe: Scanner said ok (av_avast) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 355, in=97, out=0, spam=0 ip=24.117.154.111 X-Originating-IP: 24.117.154.111 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Voxin or tTsynth? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: Glenn List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 21:40:33 -0000 Hi Jude, Actually, and I should have mentioned this in my post, when that did happen, I had my son go into the preferences, and it was like it is now, without IBM as an option. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jude DaShiell" To: "Glenn" Cc: Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2011 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [orca-list] Voxin or tTsynth? Glenn, Probably repeat the situation and get viavoice up first. Then open up orca preferences and go into speech tab and see if you can select viavoice in that preferences session. Then save your work and try restarting the system and see what comes up.On Sun, 16 Jan 2011, Glenn wrote: > Hi, > I am running Ubuntu, 10.01 I believe, but at any rate, I have never gotten > Voxin to run on my computer. > Recently I unloaded Orca, and brought the run window, and ran: > sudo orca > and it came up running viavoice. > But it did not stay. > Does anyone know how I can get it to work? > I have un-remmed the ibm line in the speechd.conf file. > It does not show up in Orca speech preferences. > I had it working years ago in Ubuntu 7x. > Thanks for any help. > Glenn > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > From jdashiel@shellworld.net Sun Jan 16 22:18:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B9E97500AE for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 22:18:45 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.244 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.244 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SARE_RECV_IP_069060096=1.666, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o3pvCD61DPga for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 22:18:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server1.shellworld.net (shellworld.net [69.60.117.94]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6FE9750077 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 22:18:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by server1.shellworld.net (Postfix, from userid 1024) id E17AF22A2E; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 16:18:32 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server1.shellworld.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF34722A16; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 17:18:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 17:18:32 -0500 (EST) From: Jude DaShiell To: Glenn In-Reply-To: <17A6A909B3C24B35817828CC75EFE203@KitchenTower> Message-ID: References: <17A6A909B3C24B35817828CC75EFE203@KitchenTower> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Voxin or tTsynth? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 22:18:45 -0000 Okay, my only recommendation is to do an aptitude remove --purge orca then do an aptitude install orca and then start orca up and go into preferences as root and see if viavoice shows up. If that doesn't work and I fully expect it to fail, orca isn't ready for viavoice yet.On Sun, 16 Jan 2011, Glenn wrote: > Hi Jude, > Actually, and I should have mentioned this in my post, when that did happen, > I had my son go into the preferences, and it was like it is now, without IBM > as an option. > Glenn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jude DaShiell" > To: "Glenn" > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2011 2:51 PM > Subject: Re: [orca-list] Voxin or tTsynth? > > > Glenn, > > Probably repeat the situation and get viavoice up first. Then open up > orca preferences and go into speech tab and see if you can select viavoice > in that preferences session. Then save your work and try restarting the > system and see what comes up.On Sun, 16 Jan 2011, Glenn wrote: > >> Hi, >> I am running Ubuntu, 10.01 I believe, but at any rate, I have never gotten >> Voxin to run on my computer. >> Recently I unloaded Orca, and brought the run window, and ran: >> sudo orca >> and it came up running viavoice. >> But it did not stay. >> Does anyone know how I can get it to work? >> I have un-remmed the ibm line in the speechd.conf file. >> It does not show up in Orca speech preferences. >> I had it working years ago in Ubuntu 7x. >> Thanks for any help. >> Glenn >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> >> > > > From hackingkk@gmail.com Mon Jan 17 04:10:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F164B750096 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 04:10:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j0BJ+4CLHNIv for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 04:10:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pz0-f54.google.com (mail-pz0-f54.google.com [209.85.210.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E4BB750087 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 04:10:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk32 with SMTP id 32so802166pzk.27 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 20:10:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=VBB9QmumUFDmuWiTARM9J8p78QQz+4qY86YBpV/46B8=; b=upsCjh+N68msQico1zQ/Ynd9UWjb+0uo4HXFw0iCFZ+jb3ZYn2h6oqe3jdbHG0iglJ lHRFKMPfgfQHncv0qbzVXH2jbstkUb8GdrkYUYweBxfZfZjFOMmkCG4HIe60SzYbo2dK nZrU7PnX0zdeVzYhGAUloV9AKYB6Wx2qM65FE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ve2HYZ8sZDbhThBpeBJDSi7r0xn4fmUfmRFeces1OWV8D8OjdCRQsaeJbB4K387Uzn xplwWfDEdN15DDCrLFkiqogbG3kf6ST33UBUe7vhUq56JSa+AmrpaHSWmcJbo1L7HprC mGM7Z+hp7hSuF/SoatoVaTjaaKDTYCE7wi7xQ= Received: by 10.142.51.16 with SMTP id y16mr3126827wfy.82.1295237423945; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 20:10:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from [112.79.122.40] ([112.79.122.40]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q13sm5978918wfc.5.2011.01.16.20.10.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 16 Jan 2011 20:10:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D33C123.4060200@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:40:11 +0530 From: hackingKK User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Trevor Saunders References: <4D331E63.40904@gmail.com> <20110116184246.GA30607@football.tbsaunde.org> In-Reply-To: <20110116184246.GA30607@football.tbsaunde.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] trying to compile java ATK wrapper, error log given in the mail. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 04:10:37 -0000 Hi Trevor, thanks a lot. On 17/01/11 00:12, Trevor Saunders wrote: >> >> Alternatively, you may set the environment variables JAW_CFLAGS >> and JAW_LIBS to avoid the need to call pkg-config. >> See the pkg-config man page for more details. >> > so, the exact thing you are missing is the gconf -2.0.pc file to link > against libgconf. You probably need to install a package something like > libgconf-dev. > Yes indeed. I installed libconf2-dev and it got compiled. But Now I don't know if there are any further steps to get java swing applications working with Orca? Should I just run a swing based app directly to see the result? Happy hacking. Krishnakant/ From GlennErvin@cableone.net Mon Jan 17 15:46:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAF21750237 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 15:46:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.012 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.012 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C5jlpHDWvqrL for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 15:46:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from s6.cableone.net (s6.cableone.net [24.116.0.232]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C89F675020E for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 15:45:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from KitchenTower (unverified [24.117.154.111]) by s6.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service s6) with ESMTP id 39092076-1872270 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 08:45:52 -0700 Message-ID: <322827FCB7684D3CB83B0C1D81395E9B@KitchenTower> From: "Glenn" To: Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:45:56 -0600 Organization: Home MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-Vpipe: Scanner said ok (av_avast) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 279, in=101, out=0, spam=0 ip=24.117.154.111 X-Originating-IP: 24.117.154.111 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Subject: [orca-list] latest Voxin? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: Glenn List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 15:46:07 -0000 Hi, I am going to attempt again to install Voxin, as I removed --purged Orca, and reinstalled it. I'm wondering what the latest version is. Also, the Voxin site has no link for folks who have already purchased it to download it. The version I have is: 0.28 I also purchased TtSynth once, but I don't know if that is still supported at all. Glenn From vilmar@informal.com.br Mon Jan 17 16:42:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 000BA750213 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 16:42:00 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nNKrrYGY8jNy for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 16:41:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay04.email.alog.com.br (relay04.email.alog.com.br [200.219.210.27]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 247127501D0 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 16:41:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay03.email.alog.com.br (relay03.email.alog.com.br [10.0.3.3]) by relay04.email.alog.com.br (Alog-MTA-Corp) with ESMTP id 053B12EE139 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 14:39:18 -0200 (BRST) Received: from relay03.email.alog.com.br (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay03.email.alog.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB3B53800E55 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 14:41:46 -0200 (BRST) Received: from [10.0.1.60] (zecolmeia.informal.com.br [200.152.107.32]) (Authenticated sender: vilmar@informal.com.br) by relay03.email.alog.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C22B13800C25 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 14:41:46 -0200 (BRST) Message-ID: <4D347153.8080906@informal.com.br> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 14:41:55 -0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?Sm9zw6kgVmlsbWFyIEVzdMOhY2lvIGRlIFNvdXph?= Organization: Informal Informatica User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <322827FCB7684D3CB83B0C1D81395E9B@KitchenTower> In-Reply-To: <322827FCB7684D3CB83B0C1D81395E9B@KitchenTower> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AV: Alog Antivirus OK Subject: Re: [orca-list] latest Voxin? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: vilmar@informal.com.br List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 16:42:01 -0000 Hi Glenn, The actual version is 0.32. I don't know how to obtain the full version, unless you have the original link sent to you when you acquired the version 0.28. On 01/17/2011 01:45 PM, Glenn wrote: > Hi, > I am going to attempt again to install Voxin, as I removed --purged Orca, > and reinstalled it. > I'm wondering what the latest version is. > Also, the Voxin site has no link for folks who have already purchased it to > download it. > The version I have is: > 0.28 > I also purchased TtSynth once, but I don't know if that is still supported > at all. > Glenn > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From rickfunes@yahoo.com Mon Jan 17 18:58:20 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CC21750242 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 18:58:20 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RFC_ABUSE_POST=0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 969bT+S+lw0s for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 18:58:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm18.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm18.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BBDA9750122 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 18:58:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.91.66] by nm18.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2011 18:58:07 -0000 Received: from [98.136.185.29] by tm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2011 18:58:07 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2011 18:58:07 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1295290687; bh=+AMu8hS4ejPJ/54nk2SFSovu0/UQZQLtwF96SaD+ggA=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0Zy+s4xg1rrDAXgsX+jTtvYvmy7odrpQ/oNBw+VlQ0r+5P/rAMUeBy478vPBNdqWgeifHNgYq7RH2WdI163gnASwiSqiLasysedOk+2wZs5koXkBXeVO8Ufz9RiOqJAGA3jCOsapHuuuziPQhjeG7Qu96WPnw7t/0eq56wTy+JE= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 839037.94925.bm@smtp110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com Received: from [192.168.1.100] (rickfunes@76.90.206.87 with plain) by smtp110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2011 10:58:07 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: ZchkVoeswBB3Ar.3OdyTafwDf65gRw-- X-YMail-OSG: ExldG0gVM1lp57eLWzhgp8sfN9CVP7OAQO6l4JrY442nAHL .3LCOwTAKgs62XuKyKb_z3j.dtzSp0COdMBoXYkzUA3AMWCq3fYyyCkULUOR TxOMPFQN_3.jUARQttUWUdD9No0COBu6aVNjGv2nvIHTxbVi.MWhMSJXVQOW F8F2fqUTB5G4rEb7X2agYFQ7x2oCky_GU4hd0D2sgCzEIhwugkXynoVPo9sv bW1VXKOlwmjvkfXHyD3A_TMUY0u3NKY.NBWK3zRg4MGvmECfCBVI.1JNEE5A HVuFEcV1aGgJWDfxYdEZWij5NdO6sIzSAm4UVaWqYVt3Stku1MFo- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4D34913E.4000402@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 10:58:06 -0800 From: Richard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <322827FCB7684D3CB83B0C1D81395E9B@KitchenTower> <4D347153.8080906@informal.com.br> In-Reply-To: <4D347153.8080906@informal.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] latest Voxin? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 18:58:20 -0000 Hi Glenn, You can upgrade from Voxin 0.28 to 0.32, is this for Vinux 3.1? From joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Mon Jan 17 20:54:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33D057502C7; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 20:54:08 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dcUj1sVX3jbu; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 20:54:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46F687502A7; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 20:53:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk36 with SMTP id 36so5368108qyk.6 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 12:53:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent :mime-version:to:cc:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=W5Cmb9gSUUoozq2agc4e5LAMQ8lGpJb80s0CvSjYPuY=; b=uSPdgOoBICDD5r6z/lSTFSGwAv9DQqxc8Oqm2eh6scsuVJQFf1NqtxYX4GOsfewB2R KsT+3/yQOuwtM52RmpRxl+YBps7mzVcFwEzoXnH8RsUwrMbkc4vrcOhrsPBUk6EZQ4C4 rYshGkADHamXCx2Q8bQfpGHAPbGqriMKjSFok= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=SBmPa5ckh2gSU/7/gGJ4hNaX0TBOd4mKs5aPJ08apOSYnxAoYBB8dWi03OSJwOYRFS 36CPCWAG/mGYRroBK8XcpW8N0SabzQTZc8fvUdljhezvWrirJXg99F6fGG1qTURkswQT SbfollWj/5vs34lIqQmmQa2ThjBBRz3DcNAP0= Received: by 10.224.74.10 with SMTP id s10mr4176485qaj.291.1295297635268; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 12:53:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.35.105] (c-98-217-239-60.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [98.217.239.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s10sm3178770qco.35.2011.01.17.12.53.54 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 17 Jan 2011 12:53:54 -0800 (PST) Sender: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <4D34AC67.3080606@gnome.org> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 15:53:59 -0500 From: Joanmarie Diggs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b10pre) Gecko/20110116 Thunderbird/3.3a3pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Orca-list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-devel-list@gnome.org Subject: [orca-list] Flag Day: The refactoring has begun X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: joanied@gnome.org List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 20:54:08 -0000 Hey gang. The unstable branch may start to live up to its name. We hope not, but we can use your help testing. Important: Before you run off to pull the latest from master, please read this message: 1. You will want to be sure to uninstall -- or otherwise remove -- your currently-installed Orca *if* you plan to install the current master into the same location. 2. Default.py has been moved to within the scripts dir. This is one of the reasons item number one matters. If you have local scripts and/or an orca-customizations.py and/or any app settings files which import the default script, these will need to updated. 3. presentation_manager.py and focus_tracking_presenter.py are no more. The have been removed. Long ago, and before my time working on Orca, I believe the plan was to have multiple types of "presentation managers," one of which was the focus tracking presenter. Still hasn't happened, nor can I think of what new presentation manager we'd create. 4. There is a new event_manager.py and a new script_manager.py. They do as advertised. And they are where much of what used to be in the focus tracking presenter wound up. But mind you, I didn't copy and paste. I read each line of code, researched the history behind some of it, thought carefully about it all. And then tore much of it apart and reworked it, removing what was obsolete or duplicated. Things seem a tad snappier as a result, too. 5. Script mapping is done differently; it's a function of the script manager and no longer in settings.py. 6. Our first attempt at supporting multiple versions of a script will be with Yelp. Yelp 2 and Yelp 3. The former is gecko-based; the latter is WebKitGtk based. I'm guessing no one has the latter yet. But we need to be ready for those of you who wind up with it. The changes made should hopefully happily detect and work with whichever version you are using. By the way, this necessitated moving the current yelp script out from its original location. I think those are all the big changes. There were some smaller ones along the way too. But as you're probably concluding, "There is no way on earth Joanie could have done all that without messing *something* up." I've tested, I've regression tested, Ale has reviewed, but, yeah. I'm sure I missed something. So for those of you who have non-production environments in which you can beat on these changes and let me know what you discover, it would be double-plus awesome. After I send this, I will push the changes. Thanks guys! Take care. --joanie From stormdragon2976@gmail.com Mon Jan 17 21:18:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC21E75029E for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 21:18:14 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.146 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.146 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=1.553, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DMJ4a+5M17Tv for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 21:18:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yi0-f44.google.com (mail-yi0-f44.google.com [209.85.218.44]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AF8875020B for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 21:18:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yie19 with SMTP id 19so3202420yie.31 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 13:18:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references :content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=QBnnqgldk0Welr5jp/qMoHebxHxdp5iDQrtKQvG9wF4=; b=mCdJLHgtQPUoeYtd9plIiyTjP76kJiQpRj5PpMuYy79aRU040EqEOl1jcqpjfJSEX/ piv9g7EEqQSlDOpJ6p6JWuJuzY5pUma/XyxWAqS4WPPOoPAsT5Bi9DZpk+qT79tNChpZ VbSlI9xyRiqzKk+jLoh1NjhmTgH2BBAG5YVrA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id :mime-version:x-mailer; b=fntLif10Qqo1AucyJV64OrAOyC19EVnqrOTZfeDXS2KOlDXVxhlFDCbAAZEDMh7DIi mif3pjZ0tqmZBSviIDskSPS95F/HZSohAFQZ6U0TmlxdZ4rGH/RKBf2fw/T7oDccyhOB 98HhkJcLf5glnPwJh+tHjgsm2nLB8u9ZkRl7I= Received: by 10.90.96.4 with SMTP id t4mr5138392agb.118.1295299078965; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 13:17:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([137.118.186.73]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i10sm5944103anh.12.2011.01.17.13.17.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 17 Jan 2011 13:17:58 -0800 (PST) From: Storm Dragon To: Orca-list In-Reply-To: <4D34AC67.3080606@gnome.org> References: <4D34AC67.3080606@gnome.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-e40R5/guyPtUUZBCOkCQ" Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 16:17:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1295299072.23560.22.camel@stormdragon-laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Flag Day: The refactoring has begun X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 21:18:15 -0000 --=-e40R5/guyPtUUZBCOkCQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Awesome. Sounds like lots of changes/hard work. How does the customizations.py file need to change to support the new structure? Thanks Storm -- "Every day is Halloween" Type O Negative Registered Linux user number 508465: http://counter.li.org/ My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: http://www.stormdragon.us/ My Blackberry is Broken: http://is.gd/my_blackberry_is_broken On Mon, 2011-01-17 at 15:53 -0500, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > Hey gang. > > The unstable branch may start to live up to its name. We hope not, but > we can use your help testing. Important: Before you run off to pull the > latest from master, please read this message: > > 1. You will want to be sure to uninstall -- or otherwise remove -- your > currently-installed Orca *if* you plan to install the current master > into the same location. > > 2. Default.py has been moved to within the scripts dir. This is one of > the reasons item number one matters. If you have local scripts > and/or an orca-customizations.py and/or any app settings files which > import the default script, these will need to updated. > > 3. presentation_manager.py and focus_tracking_presenter.py are no more. > The have been removed. Long ago, and before my time working on Orca, > I believe the plan was to have multiple types of "presentation > managers," one of which was the focus tracking presenter. Still > hasn't happened, nor can I think of what new presentation manager > we'd create. > > 4. There is a new event_manager.py and a new script_manager.py. They do > as advertised. And they are where much of what used to be in the > focus tracking presenter wound up. But mind you, I didn't copy and > paste. I read each line of code, researched the history behind some > of it, thought carefully about it all. And then tore much of it > apart and reworked it, removing what was obsolete or duplicated. > Things seem a tad snappier as a result, too. > > 5. Script mapping is done differently; it's a function of the script > manager and no longer in settings.py. > > 6. Our first attempt at supporting multiple versions of a script will > be with Yelp. Yelp 2 and Yelp 3. The former is gecko-based; the > latter is WebKitGtk based. I'm guessing no one has the latter yet. > But we need to be ready for those of you who wind up with it. > The changes made should hopefully happily detect and work with > whichever version you are using. By the way, this necessitated > moving the current yelp script out from its original location. > > I think those are all the big changes. There were some smaller ones > along the way too. But as you're probably concluding, "There is no way > on earth Joanie could have done all that without messing *something* > up." I've tested, I've regression tested, Ale has reviewed, but, > yeah. I'm sure I missed something. So for those of you who have > non-production environments in which you can beat on these changes and > let me know what you discover, it would be double-plus awesome. > > After I send this, I will push the changes. > > Thanks guys! Take care. > --joanie > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp --=-e40R5/guyPtUUZBCOkCQ Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi,
Awesome. Sounds like lots of changes/hard work. How does the customizations.py file need to change to support the new structure?
Thanks
Storm
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On Mon, 2011-01-17 at 15:53 -0500, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: 
Hey gang.

The unstable branch may start to live up to its name. We hope not, but 
we can use your help testing. Important: Before you run off to pull the 
latest from master, please read this message:

1. You will want to be sure to uninstall -- or otherwise remove -- your
    currently-installed Orca *if* you plan to install the current master
    into the same location.

2. Default.py has been moved to within the scripts dir. This is one of
    the reasons item number one matters. If you have local scripts
    and/or an orca-customizations.py and/or any app settings files which
    import the default script, these will need to updated.

3. presentation_manager.py and focus_tracking_presenter.py are no more.
    The have been removed. Long ago, and before my time working on Orca,
    I believe the plan was to have multiple types of "presentation
    managers," one of which was the focus tracking presenter. Still
    hasn't happened, nor can I think of what new presentation manager
    we'd create. <shrugs>

4. There is a new event_manager.py and a new script_manager.py. They do
    as advertised. And they are where much of what used to be in the
    focus tracking presenter wound up. But mind you, I didn't copy and
    paste. I read each line of code, researched the history behind some
    of it, thought carefully about it all. And then tore much of it
    apart and reworked it, removing what was obsolete or duplicated.
    Things seem a tad snappier as a result, too.

5. Script mapping is done differently; it's a function of the script
    manager and no longer in settings.py.

6. Our first attempt at supporting multiple versions of a script will
    be with Yelp. Yelp 2 and Yelp 3. The former is gecko-based; the
    latter is WebKitGtk based. I'm guessing no one has the latter yet.
    But we need to be ready for those of you who wind up with it.
    The changes made should hopefully happily detect and work with
    whichever version you are using. By the way, this necessitated
    moving the current yelp script out from its original location.

I think those are all the big changes. There were some smaller ones 
along the way too. But as you're probably concluding, "There is no way 
on earth Joanie could have done all that without messing *something* 
up." <grins> I've tested, I've regression tested, Ale has reviewed, but, 
yeah. I'm sure I missed something. So for those of you who have 
non-production environments in which you can beat on these changes and 
let me know what you discover, it would be double-plus awesome.

After I send this, I will push the changes.

Thanks guys! Take care.
--joanie
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--=-e40R5/guyPtUUZBCOkCQ-- From joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Mon Jan 17 21:30:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C84C7502D4 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 21:30:02 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O8rjR6uO7MJw for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 21:29:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E3B475020B for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 21:29:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws9 with SMTP id 9so2171788vws.27 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 13:29:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent :mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Ke1ezpK9Wd1Lx2iaR88lV3AcXpWzZlXcdnuHnyK3v7c=; b=ZWPaQ1Nc2+pSWQbzq6AHgcr7axlW4S4nlbmwi3ms41ho9iiRePZhzoaLkRbQoSW34R u3BtIAMG368ijzYK9gXpQwYJM6ceXxAnrS15Agoxm3G44bP0fIukQIiQ/6kS+4kkFJVZ hg6LRjZGx7iJLNjApN+B9Fbs476RV+s3FJTQ0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=Mnyv24AshDllinUPu/ujN4EeH6qin+GmRRzebuXewNzMvSDgFkdU/EE1qQRGVQdqYT u1UHo1wNoiOkOP8Bp1TjoA5o2FlNHiRtHGm9uZzKSICAOBpVxx1PiI7DcAVGyE+nUe8P cog5VodokgHS2i1v5wTDax/Pxt7bqwvE/6ANQ= Received: by 10.220.186.11 with SMTP id cq11mr1338930vcb.159.1295299788747; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 13:29:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.35.105] (c-98-217-239-60.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [98.217.239.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r7sm2682416vbx.9.2011.01.17.13.29.47 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 17 Jan 2011 13:29:47 -0800 (PST) Sender: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <4D34B4D1.2030204@gnome.org> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 16:29:53 -0500 From: Joanmarie Diggs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b10pre) Gecko/20110116 Thunderbird/3.3a3pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Storm Dragon References: <4D34AC67.3080606@gnome.org> <1295299072.23560.22.camel@stormdragon-laptop> In-Reply-To: <1295299072.23560.22.camel@stormdragon-laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Orca-list Subject: Re: [orca-list] Flag Day: The refactoring has begun X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: joanied@gnome.org List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 21:30:02 -0000 Hey Storm. > Awesome. Sounds like lots of changes/hard work. It's the beginning of it, yes. > How does the > customizations.py file need to change to support the new structure? Depends what's in yours. I didn't change my orca-customizations.py at all. But different people have different stuff in theirs. I'm guessing that you did not have any calls to the no-longer-existent focus_tracking_presenter.py or presentation_manager.py. If you had any reason to import the default script, it's gone from orca.default to orca.scripts.default. Beyond that, give it a try and if things are broken and you don't know what needs changing, send the file to me and I'll take a look. HTH. Take care. --joanie From GlennErvin@cableone.net Mon Jan 17 22:45:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEAAF7501FF for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 22:45:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.511 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jVjUiossMRNx for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 22:45:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from S4.cableone.net (s4.cableone.net [24.116.0.230]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C35FE7500C7 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 22:44:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from KitchenTower (unverified [24.117.154.111]) by S4.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S4) with ESMTP id 38443235-1872270 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 15:44:52 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Glenn" To: Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 16:44:56 -0600 Organization: Home MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-Vpipe: Scanner said ok (av_avast) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 358, in=108, out=0, spam=0 ip=24.117.154.111 X-Originating-IP: 24.117.154.111 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Subject: [orca-list] OT setting up Evolution Mail X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: Glenn List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 22:45:05 -0000 Hi, I got the Voxin to work with the latest package. Now that I can tolerate the voice, I thought I'd set Evolution Mail. I have set up Outlook express a hundred times, and Outlook a number of times, and even Eudora a number of times a long time ago. But I can't seem to get Evolution to set up for Pop3. In the list of server types, there is POP, but not POP3, but I don't know if this makes any difference. I'm connected to the Internet, and I press F9 to check messages, and it goes out, and seems to not get anything. I know that there is stuff there, because I looked at on the web-mail. Some of the settings aren't exactly like Outlook Express, so when there is no choice exactly like in OE, I feel that there might be a problem.Anyone else had trouble here? And if so, what might I look for? Thanks. Glenn From vilmar@informal.com.br Tue Jan 18 12:56:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37FD77502D7 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:56:29 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IG31de6qjHt6 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:56:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay04.email.alog.com.br (relay04.email.alog.com.br [200.219.210.27]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24EBC750327 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:56:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay02.email.alog.com.br (relay02.email.alog.com.br [10.0.3.2]) by relay04.email.alog.com.br (Alog-MTA-Corp) with ESMTP id DC3352EE2C1 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 10:53:42 -0200 (BRST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (unknown [187.15.203.229]) (Authenticated sender: vilmar@informal.com.br) by relay02.email.alog.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4559400AFA7 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 10:56:15 -0200 (BRST) Message-ID: <4D358DEE.1060202@informal.com.br> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 10:56:14 -0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Vilmar_Est=E1cio_de_Souza?= Organization: Informal Informatica User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] sometimes I can not hear the name of the window when I press alt+tab X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: vilmar@informal.com.br List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:56:29 -0000 Hi all. Using latest orca from git, try the following steps: 1. Launch orca. 2. Go to terminal and launch gedit. 3. Press ctrl+q to close the application. 4. Press alt+tab, orca reads the name of the next window, as expected. 5. Go to orca preferences and load a diferent profile. 6. Close the preferences pressing the escape key. 7. go to terminal and lanch gedit. 8. Press ctrl+q to close gedit. 9. Press alt+tab, orca does not announce the name of the nex window. Launch orca again and things return to normal state. Can anyone confirm? Thanks. From mwhapples@aim.com Tue Jan 18 13:54:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5477775007E for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 13:54:12 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.89 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.89 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_FILL_THIS_FORM_SHORT=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RhNgGospiNVi for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 13:54:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (imr-mb01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.164]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3718750065 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 13:54:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mtaout-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.133]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p0IDrn2M013339 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 08:53:49 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (mwhapples.plus.com [80.229.137.216]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 530F7E00010F for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 08:53:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4D359A3C.9080607@aim.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 13:48:44 +0000 From: Michael Whapples User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b8pre) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.3a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "orca-list@gnome.org" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:488647424:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33854d359b6b6f52 X-AOL-IP: 80.229.137.216 Subject: Re: [orca-list] OT setting up Evolution Mail X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 13:54:12 -0000 I think in evolution the option for POP as server type is the same as POP3 in other clients. One would have thought that if evolution was unable to get the mail for some reason it would show a warning/error message. Are there any specific settings you are unsure of which we could try and explain? An alternative to using evolution for email would be thunderbird. I would say in general I prefer the interface of thunderbird, setting up email accounts can be easy (it has a feature where it can attempt to find out the settings automatically for you, eg. with my AIM email account I just entered my email address and password and thunderbird found the server settings for me). However from time to time Mozilla products do seem to break something with accessibility, there's times when you feel what might they break next. As an example if you use a version of thunderbird from the 3.1 branch there is a problem with focus when you open a message in a new window rather than in a new tab, upgrading to thunderbird 3.3 development builds will solve that but 3.3 has an issue of speaking the wrong character when using backspace. Despite the warts of thunderbird I do still use it rather than evolution. I think the only time I would use evolution instead of thunderbird is if I needed to use an exchange server for email, I don't know of any plugin or support for it in thunderbird. Michael Whapples On -10/01/37 20:59, Glenn wrote: > Hi, > I got the Voxin to work with the latest package. > Now that I can tolerate the voice, I thought I'd set Evolution Mail. > I have set up Outlook express a hundred times, and Outlook a number of > times, and even Eudora a number of times a long time ago. > But I can't seem to get Evolution to set up for Pop3. > In the list of server types, there is POP, but not POP3, but I don't know if > this makes any difference. > I'm connected to the Internet, and I press F9 to check messages, and it goes > out, and seems to not get anything. > I know that there is stuff there, because I looked at on the web-mail. > Some of the settings aren't exactly like Outlook Express, so when there is > no choice exactly like in OE, I feel that there might be a problem.Anyone > else had trouble here? > And if so, what might I look for? > Thanks. > > Glenn > > From mwhapples@aim.com Tue Jan 18 14:52:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 883C3750389 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 14:52:45 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N3YzgI7aCPw5 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 14:52:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imr-da02.mx.aol.com (imr-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.144]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00E7C7502EA for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 14:52:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mtaout-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.67]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p0IEqQGc003002 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 09:52:26 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (mwhapples.plus.com [80.229.137.216]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id CA51DE000089 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 09:52:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4D35A7FF.1050004@aim.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 14:47:27 +0000 From: Michael Whapples User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b8pre) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.3a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "orca-list@gnome.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:401761056:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29434d35a9297fb0 X-AOL-IP: 80.229.137.216 Subject: [orca-list] Orca and multiple recipients in thunderbird X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 14:52:45 -0000 Hello, I have noticed a strange bug in thunderbird 3.3a1 with orca, when you use reply to all on a message which will lead to multiple recipients (eg. I think the orca-list messages will do) then the to field is accessible but the CC fields seem to be in a table which orca doesn't speak and cannot find with flat review.Please note that this seems to be when using reply to all, creating a new message and adding multiple recipients does not lead to this. Does anyone else notice this? Do we think a bug report needs to be sent to mozilla about this? Michael Whapples From hammera@pickup.hu Tue Jan 18 16:11:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C792A750390 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 16:11:42 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Mg41unfPMYWV for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 16:11:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9296475033F for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 16:11:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id 25D68E80A4 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 17:50:52 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D35BBB0.6030800@pickup.hu> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 17:11:28 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D358DEE.1060202@informal.com.br> In-Reply-To: <4D358DEE.1060202@informal.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] sometimes I can not hear the name of the window when I press alt+tab X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 16:11:43 -0000 Hy, Yes, I confirm this. When I not release Alt+TAB key after loading the profile and close gedit, Orca not spokening the next switched window title. Your reproducation steps is full right. Unfortunately this is independent if you closing Orca with ESC key or click Ok button the preferences dialog after load different profile. Jose, you opening the bugreport and attaching a debug.out file? Attila From hammera@pickup.hu Tue Jan 18 16:26:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC1A8750BB7 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 16:26:50 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BBbi2fIKjpUL for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 16:26:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04BCA7503D6 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 16:26:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id 31CBFE85AC for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 18:06:01 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D35BF3D.3080106@pickup.hu> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 17:26:37 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D34AC67.3080606@gnome.org> <1295299072.23560.22.camel@stormdragon-laptop> <4D34B4D1.2030204@gnome.org> In-Reply-To: <4D34B4D1.2030204@gnome.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Flag Day: The refactoring has begun X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 16:26:52 -0000 Hy, Joanie, when I ran now intltool-update hu command with po directory in Orca source directory, I see following translations is removed the source code. I not remember prewious what source file containing this translations, and now need again this string or not: "#~ msgid "[\\S\\s]*StarOffice[\\s\\S]*" #~ msgstr "[\\S\\s]*StarOffice[\\s\\S]*" #~ msgid "soffice.bin" #~ msgstr "soffice.bin" #~ msgid "soffice" #~ msgstr "soffice" #~ msgid "[Ee]volution" #~ msgstr "[Ee]volution" #~ msgid "Deer Park" #~ msgstr "Deer Park" #~ msgid "Bon Echo" #~ msgstr "Bon Echo" #~ msgid "Minefield" #~ msgstr "Minefield" #~ msgid "Mail/News" #~ msgstr "Levél/hírek" #~ msgid "bug-buddy" #~ msgstr "bug-buddy" #~ msgid "vte" #~ msgstr "vte" #~ msgid "gaim" #~ msgstr "gaim" I think more strings is application or script names. But only the "mail/news" string have real hungarian translation (not equals the msgid and msgstr fields with po file), I don't no not will be missing this translation later? I founded my oldest local branch for example the oldest hu.po file with this message translator comments: #. Translators: see the regular expression note above. This is for #. the Thunderbird e-mail application. #. #: ../src/orca/settings.py:1185 msgid "Mail/News" msgstr "Levél/hírek" Attila From joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Tue Jan 18 18:07:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7088750409 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 18:07:01 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ehnRetAL5h4S for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 18:06:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4A0B7503E2 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 18:06:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vw0-f54.google.com with SMTP id 9so2595321vws.27 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 10:06:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent :mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Sz6ngj5HVUxSYk8HlS9xJmQZE7t0d+mDvD/fKZ78AnY=; b=pxXJVBwTsojuY5298lqXXZsjM9KD5vw3H3A+UcWQ4fUmMkfKrY9dK2spz4aMWqeEP7 /wN0j1hmJf1jJlnnsgwiUvpCbnFSemixQzviJoS5plNrnOgKY/bfNm0AK64EN6luv0rL TFUnoOnsrjm0N1L2Zsk5mYlblnnHU1bbc6LTw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=WZWtc6CyxLe5wPcYHd1J8zjW7Xvele+CK6lQTTftvpBUCzbk8Y/cz2vLPq0A3h0TaC 06HvlQy3YFz+l6ExWYR4Rg8WUTfBu9FAM1nOghM/XUEbN7XQPwCUhwG17R5WMiRybCrl KeWZHXcboGqe1OOAtqgFZO8V69ismQh2eRmLY= Received: by 10.220.74.206 with SMTP id v14mr1832521vcj.185.1295374018364; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 10:06:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.35.105] (c-98-217-239-60.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [98.217.239.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f17sm3374857vbv.6.2011.01.18.10.06.56 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 18 Jan 2011 10:06:57 -0800 (PST) Sender: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <4D35D6C1.1060108@gnome.org> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 13:06:57 -0500 From: Joanmarie Diggs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b10pre) Gecko/20110117 Thunderbird/3.3a3pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hammer Attila References: <4D34AC67.3080606@gnome.org> <1295299072.23560.22.camel@stormdragon-laptop> <4D34B4D1.2030204@gnome.org> <4D35BF3D.3080106@pickup.hu> In-Reply-To: <4D35BF3D.3080106@pickup.hu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Flag Day: The refactoring has begun X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: joanied@gnome.org List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 18:07:02 -0000 Hey Attila. > Joanie, when I ran now intltool-update hu command with po directory in > Orca source directory, I see following translations is removed the > source code. > I not remember prewious what source file containing this translations, > and now need again this string or not: Nope. Those were intentionally deleted. The history is that -- supposedly -- years ago the accessible names of applications got localized. I've never seen this. But anyway, they were marked for translation in settings.py so that we would map, say, the Hungarian name for an app with the non-localized (and possibly different) script module in Orca. In recent years, when adding new mapping entries to settings.py, we stopped marking them for translation. But we never unmarked the old ones for translation. When I looked through the .po files, I saw that those strings which were "localized" weren't actually localized. For instance in hu.po, I see that: * The localization of "soffice.bin" is "soffice.bin" * The localization of "soffice" is "soffice" * The localization of "[Ee]volution" is "[Ee]volution" * The localization of "Deer Park" is ... wait for it ... "Deer Park" In other words, app names are not exposed to us (any longer) in a localized form. And the translators are localizing the strings by using the exact same non-localized form. This to me said two things: 1. There is no point for us to include localization in script mapping as it's not used. 2. There is no point in our asking the translation team, which already has a bunch of strings in Orca to localize, to provide translations for things which aren't even getting translated. For these reasons, you no longer see the those strings. Make sense? Thanks for checking/asking though. Like I've said, I've bound to have messed *something* up in this part of the refactor. --joanie From vilmar@informal.com.br Tue Jan 18 18:17:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0623750414 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 18:17:55 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N88MzU-j1J3t for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 18:17:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay04.email.alog.com.br (relay04.email.alog.com.br [200.219.210.27]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6248B7503E2 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 18:17:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay01.email.alog.com.br (relay01.email.alog.com.br [10.0.3.1]) by relay04.email.alog.com.br (Alog-MTA-Corp) with ESMTP id 413472EE1F0 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 16:15:08 -0200 (BRST) Received: from [10.0.1.60] (zecolmeia.informal.com.br [200.152.107.32]) (Authenticated sender: vilmar@informal.com.br) by relay01.email.alog.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF9AB400D3A7 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 16:17:41 -0200 (BRST) Message-ID: <4D35D944.5030005@informal.com.br> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 16:17:40 -0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?Sm9zw6kgVmlsbWFyIEVzdMOhY2lvIGRlIFNvdXph?= Organization: Informal Informatica User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D358DEE.1060202@informal.com.br> <4D35BBB0.6030800@pickup.hu> In-Reply-To: <4D35BBB0.6030800@pickup.hu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] sometimes I can not hear the name of the window when I press alt+tab X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: vilmar@informal.com.br List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 18:17:56 -0000 Hi Attila, Thank you for the confirmation. The following bug was created: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=639876 On 01/18/2011 02:11 PM, Hammer Attila wrote: > Hy, > > Yes, I confirm this. When I not release Alt+TAB key after loading the > profile and close gedit, Orca not spokening the next switched window > title. > Your reproducation steps is full right. > Unfortunately this is independent if you closing Orca with ESC key or > click Ok button the preferences dialog after load different profile. > > Jose, you opening the bugreport and attaching a debug.out file? > > Attila > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From guyster104@att.net Tue Jan 18 19:51:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA0B27503DC for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 19:51:49 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Score: 2.264 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=2.264 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=1.553, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1nq1YPBapJVA for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 19:51:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm10-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm10-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.198]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 244FF7503D4 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 19:51:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.91.69] by nm10.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2011 19:51:37 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.38] by tm9.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2011 19:51:37 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1038.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2011 19:51:37 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 98226.9833.bm@omp1038.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 67870 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2011 19:51:36 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1295380296; bh=hBz30eR9A+D4KkPAH7J7jT3Jc0MyhxhNIXAjVCMh2Ec=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=kjsLXbTZles1MqXHIERGVSkahNbMpV+Pww5T6/PxsnitjlOHv5OwO9fCBf5R3N/3vd2yNyDDH1xWfaiD6jQGQBHGvUxXQXsYhmkRP1a0yTh+6A1lO5vEV0WOPrcq5U1nT3FVEdW2pLP9wjqNSA1ATDt4Au1w9o3Y0jhkLZ5Y77Q= Received: from [192.168.1.8] (guyster104@72.241.162.115 with plain) by smtp107.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2011 11:51:36 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: tZeW1wWswBBWD7GBMvzI5Q0mBhWAmnxdydQa7OxIGQ-- X-YMail-OSG: fDVNFHUVM1nxgAXsIeWtNs.gbBYUxBwsAY7h1.Xn.JfdoQY xBqIPdVVNeIAUDZ7akCUqvbEwqYBLIlkn2vy0U5ZbOFPg0s0VzadeFvuqVEH jHxDaPc7a8GQurSn_9E1WaoOYPVMOmy3fNt.R3o48qp9x3.zjXGzVnIfjZR. BgZ4YddmJSxlT7LI670MAWJ29V954EyLOeyCDSdyiaOVjYh5lnljT6VHFxLK fJaC4wgEOtbpqdmDaEzz.VIFydNNsm4XoSKtwBH4fGoRMlrtF.0tPs2n2niT g4VjBZ1ZJUOhlgwvTnmOVeHkeaBPvdH330gNC48p_hhYt X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4D35EF47.3050301@att.net> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 14:51:35 -0500 From: Guy Schlosser User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] thanks for the help X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 19:51:50 -0000 Hey Storm and everyone else who responded to my brasero question. Thanks much for the help. The flat review suggestion worked flawlessly as advertised. I am also gonna try out gnome-baker once I get my new hard drive up and running. I am off to shut down the computer and install the new beast. Thanks a lot and have a good rest of the day. Thanks, Guy From jason@jasonjgw.net Wed Jan 19 00:21:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A487C7502FB for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 00:21:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.923 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.923 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, TW_GD=0.077] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FMpFS+EStP7d for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 00:21:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from speakup.octothorp.org (speakup.octothorp.org [174.136.97.10]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8CD37501E3 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 00:21:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jdc.jasonjgw.net ([IPv6:2001:44b8:702a:4770::2]) by speakup.octothorp.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p0J0LLf4024293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 00:21:23 GMT Received: by jdc.jasonjgw.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 586361806E55E; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 11:21:07 +1100 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=jasonjgw.net; s=mail; t=1295396467; bh=dpun6cta19WNJu75PcYByN03Q6OGEYAfr9i8t6b7kt8=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MazMxuU561assQgfVxletHTf3T1Vpqo3sJ8a/7BFvGYKkyZ098h49XNVZrZBqVPAP JL5CnPzuDRGY6Oj5m3De125q89KD2QOiIjIRIjyvlnUXXxI9ajKWiecXKQxzLQxxuX l4ARMrEnIPXdg17Jy7bh7xHoWJAgbjrxjexj0Fz0= Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 11:21:07 +1100 From: Jason White To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110119002107.GA11907@jdc.jasonjgw.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: [orca-list] Gdm 3 and Orca configuration X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 00:21:35 -0000 Hello all, Are there any up to date directions available on how to configure GDM 3 to start Orca, for example when a particular key is pressed? For reference, I'm running Debian. If I start gdm 3, it beeps, which is helpful; the next step would be to load Orca. I would like to know this before I give an accessibility-related conference presentation next week, which will cover Gnome in addition to other topics surrounding braille and speech access to Linux. I did find the instructions in the Gnome accessibility guide, which apply to Gdm 2 only - the configuration has changed for Gdm 3. From jdashiel@shellworld.net Wed Jan 19 03:27:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C276A75048C for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 03:27:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.156 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.156 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, SARE_RECV_IP_069060096=1.666, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IcktR9k-R7bf for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 03:27:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server1.shellworld.net (shellworld.net [69.60.117.94]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DD7675048A for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 03:27:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by server1.shellworld.net (Postfix, from userid 1024) id 889C422A3C; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 21:27:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server1.shellworld.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 869FD2298C; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 22:27:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 22:27:36 -0500 (EST) From: Jude DaShiell To: Michael Whapples In-Reply-To: <4D359A3C.9080607@aim.com> Message-ID: References: <4D359A3C.9080607@aim.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Cc: "orca-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: [orca-list] OT setting up Evolution Mail X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 03:27:49 -0000 Something else to try might be balsa. From hammera@pickup.hu Wed Jan 19 05:32:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A66075041C for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 05:32:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8wbxIy7NGRsn for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 05:32:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B85AE750273 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 05:32:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id 5B039E8790 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 07:11:57 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D367773.9040504@pickup.hu> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 06:32:35 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D34AC67.3080606@gnome.org> <1295299072.23560.22.camel@stormdragon-laptop> <4D34B4D1.2030204@gnome.org> <4D35BF3D.3080106@pickup.hu> <4D35D6C1.1060108@gnome.org> In-Reply-To: <4D35D6C1.1060108@gnome.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Flag Day: The refactoring has begun X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 05:32:48 -0000 Hy, Joanie, more strings is application names or script names, so this strings will be not missing for translation, you are full right. But the "mail/news" string is an application association for Thunderbird with name too with prewious added and localizable? I not remember prewious Orca using this string when presenting dialogs. This string is important prewious for example Thunderbird application if the own localized Thunderbird application using different application name or title with Orca script? Attila From steve.holmes88@gmail.com Wed Jan 19 08:56:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 772797501B8 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 08:56:29 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.137 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.137 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=1.553, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L2w4WQD-7Wdi for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 08:56:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99C0D7501BA for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 08:56:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyb26 with SMTP id 26so544178iyb.27 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 00:56:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=j1JomG6VNFVdEKVH/uQF3ACEgE6VE+Y58N3fe73luRw=; b=GNMYtwcd4zvl8yzHafTWTwdf4bNIjQKsoKesl2AXe6Z1dkqLMP9Sfr46WKjf3wwkEj cTMLqrZ4W4dkAYZyd4iAcb/Luh9ZD+wENCVObGwRi2VNKZzbI4pI+4zvGpDCgXTdqLFV 03zhC1R8ItDUzTLxQBdNRzR3RpQ9iqgS4Zjb4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; b=ZOLhpykL1CCS4efB8KbOX4hJ6+oeClNNdhjJbqbD10SQ3Udm25KW9ggAr7YzF6ZQvP hSiE2i0CvmvGQ6KpQWgwQ7D5xZ+3wl07dzy7FRW23spzPPjP6Rin3/p+3gjEE7IPQMzR gOpV2feQ+trzp/FCYwWJg/kInvcW5lRBpE4fw= Received: by 10.231.205.132 with SMTP id fq4mr460642ibb.17.1295427377895; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 00:56:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from lnx3.holmesgrown.com (ip72-208-185-148.ph.ph.cox.net [72.208.185.148]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gy41sm5745506ibb.23.2011.01.19.00.56.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 19 Jan 2011 00:56:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 01:56:12 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110119085612.GA11235@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D31CCE8.9020406@gmail.com> <4D31E2BA.7080101@gnome.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D31E2BA.7080101@gnome.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Writer suddenly closed and work lost X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 08:56:29 -0000 I've been using the latest Dev version of OO from ArchLinux and haven't experienced the crash very much lately. It has happened on rare occasion but not often enough for me to give up on it. I just got through building gnome up on my new 64 bit laptop with Arch also and so far, OO hasn't failed there but I still get that goofy loss of speech when starting up Writer or Calc but as soon as I alt_tab once, then the proper screen gains focus and all is fine. Once when terminating from Calc, I lost speech so when I hit the enter key, speech came back and I was dumped into the generic document open dialog. I have filed bugs and supporting output for these. I can't remember the exact numbers right now but can look for them if updates are needed. Unfortunately, these do not happen all the time and are thus hard for people to duplicate, let alone fix. On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 01:08:58PM -0500, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > Hi Luciano. > > >I use Open Office 3.2 and Orca 2.32.0. Is this the best combination? Is > >there something I can do to solve or reduce the problem? > > Yes, get a version of Writer in which they have fixed their crasher > bug. OOo Writer 3.3 should be okay if memory serves me. The > development builds (currently OOo 3.4) should also be fine. > > Take care. > --joanie > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From steve.holmes88@gmail.com Wed Jan 19 09:16:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E458E7501B8 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 09:16:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.127 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.127 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=1.553, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_FILL_THIS_FORM_SHORT=0.01, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hHkAMz85Ixix for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 09:16:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB19C7501AB for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 09:16:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so580946iwn.27 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 01:16:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=XVtnTSGdnT3z/W3cNvKDV8+a+BrHctKjsZGT38amBp0=; b=eqXMgsATopmJyYLHGK1GCI/PWmp1ULvNvIMrXSiGGM8vldheAN1fnBHAMrtB7o0yLk HDRriyXHyXsVlhZD6v9ovcXO73b6UBKoShf+jkpiI6eC0KkkEY0X5f2h6VOfl9C0gnHe 9Q6e6KTDMJv8Z78hPTDxgIU2xnRdHS7YIeoIo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; b=OUpdSBg7dgIXgT0rtxAm6MW6d8URXe7xQQX7c3ZdfdbsH9afTjJrtL0lbt9Go6fBS5 lxxbbM2lPZ16FYJiJP4RvinC2NKn3lLVqt159iuR/K38m2cUhuM/4Ct/ZDWX7eP5y8/p szQUYQpw+zDO4bWSIvD7SdzyjtyUKEk81FfIY= Received: by 10.231.15.194 with SMTP id l2mr487607iba.34.1295428562027; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 01:16:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from lnx3.holmesgrown.com (ip72-208-185-148.ph.ph.cox.net [72.208.185.148]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i16sm5755401ibl.0.2011.01.19.01.16.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 19 Jan 2011 01:16:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 02:15:57 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110119091557.GB11235@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D359A3C.9080607@aim.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D359A3C.9080607@aim.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] OT setting up Evolution Mail X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 09:16:14 -0000 Hey Michael, I tried looking for the 3.3 builds of Thunderbird on the Mozilla FTP site but could never find it. Do you know the general directory locations? nightly/latest/trunk or whatever, only points to 3.1.7 the last time I looked last week or so. On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 01:48:44PM +0000, Michael Whapples wrote: > I think in evolution the option for POP as server type is the same > as POP3 in other clients. One would have thought that if evolution > was unable to get the mail for some reason it would show a > warning/error message. Are there any specific settings you are > unsure of which we could try and explain? > > An alternative to using evolution for email would be thunderbird. I > would say in general I prefer the interface of thunderbird, setting > up email accounts can be easy (it has a feature where it can attempt > to find out the settings automatically for you, eg. with my AIM > email account I just entered my email address and password and > thunderbird found the server settings for me). However from time to > time Mozilla products do seem to break something with accessibility, > there's times when you feel what might they break next. As an > example if you use a version of thunderbird from the 3.1 branch > there is a problem with focus when you open a message in a new > window rather than in a new tab, upgrading to thunderbird 3.3 > development builds will solve that but 3.3 has an issue of speaking > the wrong character when using backspace. Despite the warts of > thunderbird I do still use it rather than evolution. I think the > only time I would use evolution instead of thunderbird is if I > needed to use an exchange server for email, I don't know of any > plugin or support for it in thunderbird. > > Michael Whapples > On -10/01/37 20:59, Glenn wrote: > >Hi, > >I got the Voxin to work with the latest package. > >Now that I can tolerate the voice, I thought I'd set Evolution Mail. > >I have set up Outlook express a hundred times, and Outlook a number of > >times, and even Eudora a number of times a long time ago. > >But I can't seem to get Evolution to set up for Pop3. > >In the list of server types, there is POP, but not POP3, but I don't know if > >this makes any difference. > >I'm connected to the Internet, and I press F9 to check messages, and it goes > >out, and seems to not get anything. > >I know that there is stuff there, because I looked at on the web-mail. > >Some of the settings aren't exactly like Outlook Express, so when there is > >no choice exactly like in OE, I feel that there might be a problem.Anyone > >else had trouble here? > >And if so, what might I look for? > >Thanks. > > > >Glenn > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From steve.holmes88@gmail.com Wed Jan 19 09:20:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92A1B7501BA for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 09:20:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.137 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.137 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=1.553, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bZniSJqM46GY for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 09:20:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DAC97501AB for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 09:20:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyb26 with SMTP id 26so564503iyb.27 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 01:20:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=HtQqFfPX5ACp4RZFvZXmMvxvVYRUlQ6I1bwIhBkuiIE=; b=IXmpP7ClT3R72UqCLs1SX9AJ2E+K4GZZC8ah4xuz890k/Ijjcr7R7k52XLvyLAk8EW F+Ox9f83jsN7MkDl+As1snyezeWHxdn633Zc9RORIsqDPA1ZtToC+A5AQXRyl/3uKObU YCXC2QQGsOWy7GlXPhIABojiowHz2boJQu5Co= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; b=lVLHppgh2zoWEYhMbr0cmIVlkU9v0XsgA/DAmRgFZl6BGrZUFBpNcACqURd323kvIg TzNQsrff6gKsV9c1+rOddlrzkLUrsqOVDKR8Lr6lqqrbQ3tZ3JkCzXMuMRHd0tYNKkQX RjPGhMuahmINVRbx/oHdCyBGbJSDFNTGRnc7Y= Received: by 10.231.12.68 with SMTP id w4mr486989ibw.50.1295428839697; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 01:20:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from lnx3.holmesgrown.com (ip72-208-185-148.ph.ph.cox.net [72.208.185.148]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gy41sm5754967ibb.11.2011.01.19.01.20.37 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 19 Jan 2011 01:20:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 02:20:32 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110119092032.GC11235@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D35A7FF.1050004@aim.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D35A7FF.1050004@aim.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca and multiple recipients in thunderbird X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 09:20:53 -0000 I would probably file a bug. Also, I observe a different problem related to addresses in mail while reading a message with TB 3.1.7; I can't tell who sent the message from within the message body. When I flat review the top part of the screen, all I can hear is "label" over what should be the person's name or address. Can anyone else reproduce this other problem? If so, I will file a bug. Not sure if it is an Orca problem or if Thunderbird is not displaying the right stuff. On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 02:47:27PM +0000, Michael Whapples wrote: > Hello, > I have noticed a strange bug in thunderbird 3.3a1 with orca, when > you use reply to all on a message which will lead to multiple > recipients (eg. I think the orca-list messages will do) then the to > field is accessible but the CC fields seem to be in a table which > orca doesn't speak and cannot find with flat review.Please note that > this seems to be when using reply to all, creating a new message and > adding multiple recipients does not lead to this. > > Does anyone else notice this? Do we think a bug report needs to be > sent to mozilla about this? > > Michael Whapples > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From steve.holmes88@gmail.com Wed Jan 19 09:28:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E611B7501B8 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 09:28:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.147 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.147 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=1.553, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N3yntzofdziC for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 09:28:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F0F87501AB for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 09:28:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so591484iwn.27 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 01:28:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :user-agent; bh=ZAyHDmNzVZHHdhBcVYj+ZuPFqoMOn6Unb8vcmCXQaZo=; b=Q0KkPZh5x8tamMDXZy4Tv4BJKMYcPR7fS1g03Lb4iE489USsiT72WKDFZ2RT/9qR1E 4czh94Au0nYJbbJWF3M1Tvvpfi5nSw7SrFh10Be6mmI0BoYrALUjdiXuOdsNFNksh2xS sRT/wDvmRg2vjW0o25jFPb6tFR09vgs1KX/V0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:user-agent; b=ItPZZH0naOsItYvSyIHigzpfKEJTk5YTPnc0BFxs+Z8YeOC9gJ6lnoDSzUDLe4ciwr m9qBMwUtblRc88LTSDYhTBNk+qh4/m2kRsLf6Fnaw1ApIF2S5ZXi2tfXk3opbc9ah1q8 3Z+2qfstBsL1kLXBpgPvedFrx627YZ2mf3kt0= Received: by 10.231.34.9 with SMTP id j9mr467768ibd.137.1295429330881; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 01:28:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from lnx3.holmesgrown.com (ip72-208-185-148.ph.ph.cox.net [72.208.185.148]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 34sm5765405ibi.20.2011.01.19.01.28.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 19 Jan 2011 01:28:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 02:28:46 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: Orca E-mail List Message-ID: <20110119092846.GD11235@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Mail-Followup-To: Orca E-mail List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: [orca-list] Bookmark Editing in Firefox 4.0 Beta X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 09:28:54 -0000 I've been working with Firefox 4.0 Beta 10 for the past couple days or so and notice a serious problem with the bookmarks save dialog and in the library where you can manage bookmarks. In this case, I cannot edit the bookmark names in either dialog with any a11y. When I'm in the text box and arrow back and forth, I don't hear any speech at all. Further more, even if I can hack around and guess my way through changing the name, Firefox doesn't seem to save the updated value. This latter problem may be a firefox bug but I'm wondering why Orca isn't reading the characters while navigating around in the text boxes. I notice this particularly when editting the name of a bookmark to be saved, the name and address of bookmarks in the tree table details under the bookmark library. Can any others repo these observations? I will gladly file bugs appropriately if so. From trev.saunders@gmail.com Wed Jan 19 11:35:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBC317504F4 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 11:35:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2SByfZw--0yN for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 11:35:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B87E75022B for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 11:34:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwj9 with SMTP id 9so729682qwj.27 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 03:34:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=gENbLFWhCwaRvhxytN+x0r1vINv2fR1fDxR/oIvGLYg=; b=efcqXue+uc0YI/DkhhlAGd+lW5sjSL4qDJs5QZwXzUf27F897jpktM4+40Yc9wDP+P CVQCNPc3mBRBBITU+QvEYA/lYHg3IhNcqJ5/8UagYe3vZVzEAydHyn8qakqt2xk7VEOL H2cGE/1QgJHen4pC0KS5CFbdindSZbXUfEFgE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=iBik9ZmucNmfNYb/oDOe8YKvtIOh3hhUyUGmXFfvGu/QDNEQO+jq0Zx8mUdBrlW/jw NG/t5onYxJGYD1iDdH3xDR1o8pOb6susaYQ4nx8uJOb3nS/shTS17v1X0WtcHPIUUqs+ OtLY/HGCBuVx7rIMk9yhX73Bo0UOLJkex3kzU= Received: by 10.224.73.131 with SMTP id q3mr574683qaj.292.1295436892970; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 03:34:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from football.tbsaunde.org (TREVTOP2W.WV.CC.CMU.EDU [128.237.235.149]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g32sm4642116qck.46.2011.01.19.03.34.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 19 Jan 2011 03:34:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 06:33:31 -0500 From: Trevor Saunders To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110119113331.GA16164@football.tbsaunde.org> References: <20110119092846.GD11235@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110119092846.GD11235@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Bookmark Editing in Firefox 4.0 Beta X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 11:35:07 -0000 --mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 02:28:46AM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote: > I've been working with Firefox 4.0 Beta 10 for the past couple days or > so and notice a serious problem with the bookmarks save dialog and in > the library where you can manage bookmarks. In this case, I cannot > edit the bookmark names in either dialog with any a11y. When I'm in > the text box and arrow back and forth, I don't hear any speech at > all. Further more, even if I can hack around and guess my way through I'm pretty sure this is a known bug on bugzilla.mozilla.org but I can't find it right now. > changing the name, Firefox doesn't seem to save the updated value. > This latter problem may be a firefox bug but I'm wondering why Orca > isn't reading the characters while navigating around in the text > boxes. I notice this particularly when editting the name of a > bookmark to be saved, the name and address of bookmarks in the tree > table details under the bookmark library. that's interesting but sounds like some sort ofstrange, but non-a11y bug. >=20 > Can any others repo these observations? I will gladly file bugs > appropriately if so. please look for an existing report of the orca doesn't speak thing since I believe they is one,and try for theother one i seems like it isn't a11y related so there probably is one. afaik the book mark dialog / popup thing is all a bunch of xul andjava script which means that while its not fun to deal with its something yu may have the skill to atleast take a first look at. Trev > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightl= y/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQu= estions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp --mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNNswLAAoJEBfSn9LueXXXqHsP/iGCYVtmCt629kEIB8tHs0SZ FSFJZBtl77Xvz3NRzwayuYT2a+TYFSASKUbvhjlY/y+UHHyLwyhMtVlJ/5cJkeGY F7pmI6nIQ+sd465YH/RBjFLATQiY417ZUu7KPput51kOyyUP6e8aE3Na/LTKGnDz XRS+oJP/c72w3vZ8SojLxPAK81/hgnJXJmkw1iLUk3yHEoQqWgM5WAhWMXvM80Wd UA+uuGgZfydZxMHLVfAKqdcBRmvRLiArHXvxVFkJKts5AukPMHt7KSQCQHDb+Wkl 0f/00mqlPR57k5zrYXorBR8qrYSLxpuuHPbFZFqM91Rp9REYwgoddvC14PDmzhsv EqegZvc1FCMyrW0quvIRmTv220Fl4Lw7xXauaZMZH5kVDsriSruT2WeGWUrMQAuv I7+fz5iutJztISHwhD2GjYEpxLYggH4r+fCoNomsAKA08QfVeY7ektRbludemCZO Et1DZc7hh39+cH3bwpKGstC11iLWG/lt8Qly5U6pak11TDN+Y0sqjuyskQfVnM+b 4npHRAnWM6K+aiIGgl1FfJHBFmS1KeYr6npN67ks1jp4xSXtMhyI72hTwPjh3rQT 8B8jDEDHNmNWWqSCjNBbzgFH6YvRvBF91dsg3VHglpqxZZJzDJP1lJVT5lj3Mi50 tJ0WIGi0ktoW8w7XXK6X =QG9d -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ-- From hammera@pickup.hu Wed Jan 19 11:48:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 310B0750C74 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 11:48:15 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SPvJi3X-gybM for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 11:48:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3494475022B for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 11:48:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id AF75FE84F1 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 13:27:21 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D36CF70.6090400@pickup.hu> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:48:00 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] I see a traceback error message when I would like using GDM shutdown possibilities toggle button, needs confirmation X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 11:48:15 -0000 Hy, Before I reporting my GDM screen related problem with a bug, I would like asking a confirmation test to diagnose this is not only my system error: I see a traceback error message with my Lucid system with latest uptodated git master version of Orca when I would like using GDM shutdown possibilities toggle button. The simptomn is following: When I press Enter key with this toggle button in panel, Orca lost speech and not spokening actual choosed menu items (shutdown, restart etc) in GDM login screen. Prewious before happening refactoring this is working right. I maked a debug.out file in GDM login screen, I modifyed the /usr/share/gdm/autostart/LoginWindow/orca-screen-reader.desktop file the orca exec command line with following: "Exec=orca --replace --no-setup --disable main-window --disable magnifier --enable speech --debug-file=/var/lib/gdm/gdmdebug.out Reproducation steps to verification: 1. In GDM screen, press Ctrl+Tab key. 2. Press enter key the awailable toggle button (another control is an icon). When you try navigating the arrow keys with menu items, Orca will not be spokening actual choosed menu item if my seed problem is reproducable. The trace back error message is following, I paste little before and after parts the debug.out file: "KEYEVENT: type=1 id=32 hw_code=65 modifiers=0 event_string=(space) is_text=True timestamp=210316 time=1295436423.155504 KEYBOARDEVENT: type=1 id=32 hw_code=65 modifiers=0 event_string=(space) keyval_name=(space) is_text=True timestamp=210316 time=1295436423.155758 orca.isModifierKey: returning: False orca.isModifierKey: returning: False ----------> QUEUEING OBJECT:STATE-CHANGED:CHECKED DEQUEUED OBJECT:STATE-CHANGED:CHECKED <---------- vvvvv PROCESS OBJECT EVENT object:state-changed:checked vvvvv OBJECT EVENT: object:state-changed:checked detail=(1,0,None) app.name='gdm-simple-greeter' name='None' role='toggle button' state='armed checked enabled focusable focused sensitive showing visible' relations='' Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca/event_manager.py", line 236, in _dequeue self._processObjectEvent(event) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca/event_manager.py", line 482, in _processObjectEvent script.processObjectEvent(event) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca/script.py", line 403, in processObjectEvent self.listeners[key](event) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca/default.py", line 3381, in onStateChanged orca.visualAppearanceChanged(event, event.source) AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'visualAppearanceChanged' event_manager._dequeue: the event queue is empty! ----------> QUEUEING WINDOW:DEACTIVATE ----------> QUEUEING OBJECT:STATE-CHANGED:FOCUSED ----------> QUEUEING OBJECT:STATE-CHANGED:ACTIVE ----------> QUEUEING OBJECT:STATE-CHANGED:ACTIVE ----------> QUEUEING FOCUS:" If anybody confirming this problem, this type traceback error message is already reported after happening the refactoring? If no, I reporting this issue and attaching the maked debug.out file. Attila From mj@mjw.se Wed Jan 19 12:35:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FA7B750C17 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:35:52 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.79 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.79 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PCyQvHGOAlC6 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:35:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mjw.se (mjw.se [88.80.29.25]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 10C67750C84 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:35:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mj ([85.226.23.190]) by mjw.se ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 13:35:30 +0100 From: "mattias" To: Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 13:36:20 +0100 Message-ID: <000f01cbb7d5$79af74d0$be17e255@mj> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 Thread-Index: Acu31XjiHTzhRKeTSheJHdEa3qcudQ== X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 110118-1, 01/18/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [orca-list] Ot fedora X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:35:52 -0000 Sorry for litle ot But i run fedora Are the sound muted as default in feodra like centos? 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Wed, 19 Jan 2011 04:40:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 07:39:37 -0500 From: Trevor Saunders To: orca Message-ID: <20110119123937.GD16164@football.tbsaunde.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="m1UC1K4AOz1Ywdkx" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: [orca-list] book mark issue X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:41:09 -0000 --m1UC1K4AOz1Ywdkx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, the mozilla bug I refered to earlier was https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D448836=20 Trev --m1UC1K4AOz1Ywdkx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNNtuIAAoJEBfSn9LueXXXQAoP/ix2u+lhxjJebkwpY/X830Av 9WxxgAncWueNPd4rUb64LPf9jDmH4vCUwXOx7zq6+QzAzQ99nfWrYD3Vc+PmRC0B s2ZpGVIZMzqeQ870GwPnGdTPvp5hR+qrffoYXdZG8vN0ABmAOv7lLM/g3XY/P+CD BNC/407U93Ej2sgoFeWjCLQzP5cfUlO+lMG1zTC1RoV6A9gpYg7A37r027IbArzr X2XrZRZFXb3z/zLNc8wrySemSwm/aB5n3fTrP5egoj5GMELEEWdZIWMaqsXXFVe7 j2UQDFPOVMO4Sufn2FoTXviS2aCFcul0I0vvrwocFumvZn6IBFpJwxsLsbHKBjMT ujcqZkDxPqPUCbr9SnoxUF0r52b1It51pETiDvOmCUvzfK3pM82WQBUrAKUx1JHj 7yAkb88B2z169/HxKooPsTjHZbkWv2RRtONpmT+ZpKO6HhYT+u80wahAmWmPcAts Q1yKCYT1UIcXZR4OtOl9rSDFYfMtwDH+a1FeM7oE84F8wX8TxFHrDX/P8X2H34Vs 9nqtZwmiVrzTZO0wI+C3KQKuOpYrjzB1+U5uy86oGJx1Hc/t2FM3IJ6YXUlvmR1w AIypKeI7FHwiroxRfWLjrFaiOB66Ukh+JZIov3q/DQP2ZfYm0bh4PQD4zQUTXpXE 3C6Ugqt54gfe1Sa1w1ez =3HF8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --m1UC1K4AOz1Ywdkx-- From joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Wed Jan 19 14:28:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D22B750C95 for ; 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Linux i686; rv:2.0b10pre) Gecko/20110118 Thunderbird/3.3a3pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hammer Attila References: <4D34AC67.3080606@gnome.org> <1295299072.23560.22.camel@stormdragon-laptop> <4D34B4D1.2030204@gnome.org> <4D35BF3D.3080106@pickup.hu> <4D35D6C1.1060108@gnome.org> <4D367773.9040504@pickup.hu> In-Reply-To: <4D367773.9040504@pickup.hu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Flag Day: The refactoring has begun X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: joanied@gnome.org List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:28:10 -0000 Mail/News is, I believe, the string associated with Thunderbird's name when you build Thunderbird from source. That's the only time I've seen it. I don't *believe* that string gets localized. In addition, the new script mapping doesn't use localized strings, so even if I were to put that string back, it wouldn't get used. My suggestion is that if we come across a case where script mapping fails due to the unexpected localization of an app name, we tackle it then. --joanie On 01/19/2011 12:32 AM, Hammer Attila wrote: > Hy, > > Joanie, more strings is application names or script names, so this > strings will be not missing for translation, you are full right. > But the "mail/news" string is an application association for Thunderbird > with name too with prewious added and localizable? > I not remember prewious Orca using this string when presenting dialogs. > This string is important prewious for example Thunderbird application if > the own localized Thunderbird application using different application > name or title with Orca script? > > Attila > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From krecoun@gmail.com Wed Jan 19 14:39:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 589EB750377 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:39:21 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZSH+N2Pl3vIl for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:39:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCAB675027B for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:39:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy24 with SMTP id 24so508471ewy.27 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 06:39:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:disposition-notification-to:date :from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=z8V6i+jpNMVEaKw8KS+/airDQZuz04jLNrCPT/qIVk8=; b=BUVJKJZQRX/9flZu4FKL5lVTVVPSBQ/19ix8umpOdVUb7dSsXGtzf4yvQC/bZFsv+Y 0bq4kn4l05Akhcs1w9YggdzqmNpTaLmOMmxetkTW38SG84B9RsO00I6a64Crktb2wq2N rIDv1n8C4JDpfLSS3UKts6XHyB45LAIr65aXM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:disposition-notification-to:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=IEBsNOyDEunU1gxaGQRVEoSgDYAvIu2+no8bhCbCkrFu9aVySoYvls671nZX6UhBY6 q4JG1ery4ylOAqIbeXNEUlcXlJqT69W+Zb0ls1YWZ13pz6w76DFjJUG96AEVQLunpf7K EUzmfawQO/XZBU0nXjbN3CaOquvVNfotYIaWA= Received: by 10.204.98.12 with SMTP id o12mr685753bkn.32.1295447947149; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 06:39:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.8.7] (adsl-dyn-198.95-102-40.t-com.sk [95.102.40.198]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z18sm1115193bkf.8.2011.01.19.06.39.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 19 Jan 2011 06:39:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D36F785.5080401@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 15:39:01 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?Vm9qdMSbY2ggUG9sw6HFoWVr?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; cs; rv:1.9.2.14pre) Gecko/20110118 Lightning/1.0b2 Shredder/3.1.8pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D29D38D.9050302@gmail.com> <20110111150127.GA18203@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> In-Reply-To: <20110111150127.GA18203@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] orca and firefox download manager X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:39:21 -0000 Thank you, I cleaned download history and it helped. Vojta On 11.1.2011 16:01, Steve Holmes wrote: > I haven't experienced this problem though I have spent verry little > time with Firefox 3.6; I'm using 4.0 Betas and I've never seen this > happen. > > However, I do observe that if the list of downloaded files gets verry > large - 100 or more entries, Orca becomes quite sluggish. If I clear > out the list, then Orca speeds up significantly. > > On Sun, Jan 09, 2011 at 04:26:05PM +0100, Vojtěch PolĂĄĹĄek wrote: >> Hello, >> I don't know if this is orca problem, but probably yes. >> I'm using latest firefox 3.6.14 pre and whenever I start some >> download, orca gets teribly slowed down. My fan stars blowing like >> mad and it's impossible to do anything till download ends. >> But when I restart orca ctrl-alt-o orca is speaking well, unless I >> focus download manager window. >> I can attach some debug logs only please tell me which. >> Vojta >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Wed Jan 19 15:42:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 916BE750317 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 15:42:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X2GACRvFYCKg for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 15:42:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53E38750294 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 15:42:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwj9 with SMTP id 9so985971qwj.27 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 07:41:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent :mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=c9GDuC4Om/e7yO8o4KYLyzfsnKZSfsL3wvbQO3wzCp4=; b=Bphu+Q9FICvY+8w5mu0+F34oDzUSyV7CUNoZnU1TWB279ey47v214yHZMFQ6e8NV6e f8mKuWWflQbYsNGVAstv0uerDhKSrDli/WuH6luVs3i4L0xWSZK+rh+5Ym7J7Z8ZQuyu G6Z8Qc7AKunDTIho+/S/dSm1O9zMcQfJUuXZU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=cd5MUdTjx0zO9aaNc50YsbpFVTaSh16DRw7Kl56xeCApB4aifTVgnn9TCSmZ8shMwj DVT+Wl8e52L6Ec+h5CXCURCmTWFUajOAIfTtL3CqJTdTRlDgFPy7xDioAsT3ZsI5twaX eeIrU4G7OMXEeBqHv4Co1MukdMSVUsKQCav5A= Received: by 10.229.97.1 with SMTP id j1mr709613qcn.212.1295451719437; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 07:41:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.35.105] (c-98-217-239-60.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [98.217.239.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t7sm4806207qcs.40.2011.01.19.07.41.58 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 19 Jan 2011 07:41:58 -0800 (PST) Sender: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <4D370645.6030700@gnome.org> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 10:41:57 -0500 From: Joanmarie Diggs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b10pre) Gecko/20110118 Thunderbird/3.3a3pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hammer Attila References: <4D36CF70.6090400@pickup.hu> In-Reply-To: <4D36CF70.6090400@pickup.hu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] I see a traceback error message when I would like using GDM shutdown possibilities toggle button, needs confirmation X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: joanied@gnome.org List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 15:42:13 -0000 Hey Attila. I'm wondering if you followed the instructions to remove/uninstall the old Orca. As a reminder here are the first two points from my Flag Day message: ---------- 1. You will want to be sure to uninstall -- or otherwise remove -- your currently-installed Orca *if* you plan to install the current master into the same location. 2. Default.py has been moved to within the scripts dir. This is one of the reasons item number one matters. If you have local scripts and/or an orca-customizations.py and/or any app settings files which import the default script, these will need to updated. ---------- The reason I'm wondering if you had indeed done this is your traceback. > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca/event_manager.py", > line 236, in _dequeue This call is clearly to the new event manager, which was created during the refactor. > self._processObjectEvent(event) > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca/event_manager.py", > line 482, in _processObjectEvent Same for that call. > script.processObjectEvent(event) > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca/script.py", line 403, > in processObjectEvent Script.py never moved. No problem. > self.listeners[key](event) > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca/default.py", line > 3381, in onStateChanged But there is no default.py in orca any longer. This is where default.py used to be. If you were using the correct default.py you should see the path as /usr/local/lib/pythong2.6/dist-packages/orca/scripts/default.py. The fact that your traceback lacks the 'scripts' bit suggests to me that you did not remove the original Orca, but just installed the new Orca and now have two defaults. The old default is the one being found first. And this is problematic due to things like: > orca.visualAppearanceChanged(event, event.source) > AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'visualAppearanceChanged' orca.visualAppearanceChanged being called by the old default.py. The new default.py (in the scripts module) would not call orca.visualAppearanceChanged because it no longer exists. That would also explain this traceback. Were it me, I would completely get rid of the contents of /usr/local/lib/python2.6/distpackages/orca (carefully). Failing that, I would at least delete the following: /usr/local/lib/python2.6/distpackages/orca/default.py /usr/local/lib/python2.6/distpackages/orca/default.pyo /usr/local/lib/python2.6/distpackages/orca/default.pyc /usr/local/lib/python2.6/distpackages/orca/focus_tracking_presenter.py /usr/local/lib/python2.6/distpackages/orca/focus_tracking_presenter.pyo /usr/local/lib/python2.6/distpackages/orca/focus_tracking_presenter.pyc /usr/local/lib/python2.6/distpackages/orca/presentation_manager.py /usr/local/lib/python2.6/distpackages/orca/presentation_manager.pyo /usr/local/lib/python2.6/distpackages/orca/presentation_manager.pyc Please let me know what happens after you remove the files which should not exist. Thanks! --joanie From joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Wed Jan 19 17:18:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD83C7504CD for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 17:18:08 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ehwcHzK8MJ1c for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 17:18:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E606750478 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 17:17:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwj9 with SMTP id 9so1086185qwj.27 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 09:17:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6JivqL0K9uQ2QcgmmyT7RF7GM2fLbTvBwGuRCZT5H9U=; b=Nf2eRTndyNAMPWUotuC6HS9hsO1d34pHO5fdRYxMw9/k+1i8pGQhLH0ol5JL4df8yv Db0iyfxieLNWyRTVBSQA7tNxVZxqyLbSkzC9PvQ+8Tib69gwRWLZ7umQi1r0r69/5iDq 8Zf35iq1Un7hgx8uUyvjO1U4GCB/cL+ajCuXg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=hQyVstyam91y3yeMl3GnHK6a1bf6VSXca/bbg9HjYgYg1NlVWKlpAg87TVOUvLwvqN dHd72ma8yui5KLDuivVklw5FefVFl8O1TljaANzSkHCJn4sCynseSTK46E5m0A6MbAyr 42LhZ/WYVUBUPn5qxtzjXJJ7J+b68LaHAOZYM= Received: by 10.224.181.140 with SMTP id by12mr911506qab.39.1295457474992; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 09:17:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.35.105] (c-98-217-239-60.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [98.217.239.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s10sm4868305qco.11.2011.01.19.09.17.53 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 19 Jan 2011 09:17:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D371CC2.4040809@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:17:54 -0500 From: Joanmarie Diggs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b10pre) Gecko/20110118 Thunderbird/3.3a3pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Orca-list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] On the nature of Orca donations X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 17:18:09 -0000 Hey guys. Storm and a couple of other people have been asking about how to make donations to Orca. And I have just been sending vague "stay tuned" emails. In light of some information I received today, let me update you on why I was being quiet before. Ale and I have applied to make Orca a project under the Software Freedom Conservancy (http://sfconservancy.org/). Doing so has several advantages in my mind: * Funds could be given to the SFC and go directly to supporting work on Orca. Right now, we don't have a great means for taking in such funds. And when the funds are significant enough in size (e.g. the Mozilla- funded performance enhancement work), we have to accept them through the GNOME Foundation. GNOME is handy in that they do not "take a chunk" of the donation themselves. But they do introduce a non-trivial amount of bureaucracy into the picture. For instance, we *still* are not seeing the performance work begin. It is my understanding that the contract is still in the hands of GNOME lawyers. * We could begin seeking funds for Orca work that is external to GNOME. For instance, I'd like to see Orca provide access to other desktop environments. I don't think that's going to take too much effort in the case of LXDE and XFCE, though I'm not sure. Regardless, my point is that doing work to make Orca provide access to environments other than GNOME is not exactly something that GNOME is likely to seek funds for (and may not feel comfortable accepting). SFC could do that. * Providing legal liability to Orca developers. To be honest, until recently I had no idea that I should be concerned about legal liability. Back when Orca was a Sun-funded project, we were under the Sun umbrella. Now that Orca is an un-funded project, we're on our own. While I don't anticipate Orca being on the receiving end of any legal issues, if it is, my home and other possessions might be exposed to risk. :-( In order for the SFC to accept Orca's application as a project, they require we have the support of the GNOME Foundation. So I requested such support, fully anticipating that GNOME would provide it. After all, it was not a problem when Orca was a Sun project, and GNOME has made no indication of additional support and/or increased involvement now that we're on our own. And we've been on our own for nearly a year now. So I didn't foresee any push back from the Foundation regarding our desire to remain within GNOME, but under the umbrella of the SFC. I figured it would be seen as Orca's "Sun replacement" essentially, which is how I essentially view it. Oops. The Board has their concerns which might or might not get resolved. Beyond that, I've just found out today that the FSF might be an issue because they don't allow GNU projects to join SFC. Orca (the Sun-project, now on-its-own project) is officially a GNOME project, which might make it a GNU project, which .... All I can say is "holy cow." I kept thinking that soon I'd be able to say, "Good news! Orca is a member of the SFC. Here's the donation page Storm and others have asked for." So much for that.... :-( This whole thing has become a big headache to be honest. Therefore, what I am planning to do is obtain legal liability protection by creating an LLC for myself and then getting back to the business of actually working on Orca. People wishing to donate money to Orca can do so through the GNOME Foundation if they so choose. Alternatively, and especially in the case of individuals with a strong desire to contribute funds as a way to say "thanks for all the work you do," I would encourage charitable giving to other organizations. Knowing that the time, energy, and work I put in to maintaining and developing Orca resulted in a worthy charity getting some much-needed funds would please me quite a bit. If you are interested in supporting causes that I personally especially care about and/or support, please consider: * Braille Literacy * Breast Cancer * The Red Cross * The Electronic Frontier Foundation * National Public Radio * Kiva I'm sorry this is not the news people wanted to hear about a donations page. I really thought I'd have better news to offer you.... Please let me know if you have any questions. Take care. --joanie From hammera@pickup.hu Wed Jan 19 17:38:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42C16750448 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 17:38:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FNs9JRHwmtER for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 17:38:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7F467503FF for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 17:38:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id 5175EE86D6 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 19:17:46 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D372191.3010403@pickup.hu> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 18:38:25 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D36CF70.6090400@pickup.hu> <4D370645.6030700@gnome.org> In-Reply-To: <4D370645.6030700@gnome.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] I see a traceback error message when I would like using GDM shutdown possibilities toggle button, needs confirmation X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 17:38:41 -0000 Hy, Joanie, thanks, the problem is resolved. I removed again with all you wrote files, recompiled and reinstall Orca. When I read your letter with Monday, I already recompiled and reinstalled Orca. So, the manual cleanup resolved this problem. Attila From stormdragon2976@gmail.com Wed Jan 19 17:43:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70446750448 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 17:43:59 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.146 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.146 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=1.553, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1hqnwUOA5v8y for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 17:43:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9805F7503FF for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 17:43:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxh35 with SMTP id 35so386915yxh.27 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 09:43:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references :content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=dA/MG4J2Ca3vAyqmyCje1lv0wTz5KAcDI6EWI7DO6Z8=; b=orU0hUVuF5Kti4pia3o57tzibgo/uo80m9aKIzxPqnQvJp2fAKNhScuco54URHuptV LzSSNrNKUPZ1vNXuQgELA1fsPGiJQlLi1gSMxUIFuT2RXcGrVvb2DmegCVWPAibgZb+6 SgVdvuOsR8hjqmtr8UebeFPEa+QoVfmL96vD0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id :mime-version:x-mailer; b=f+apfLqkS8D/jmOXW56A/sPvOrJtxeshIBqz0BV/2N5as2qsNn1cD5+zeaFYccZLC1 LtRg/aR0NyZfrUBCWL8Ro4yhifOoM0HLCHdUwrpyqEFUtw9i3anKjQpynNmR2P9/8g30 oIHNOkomEpfxlyBYmFH0y3Cb/VGeeR2yyf/Rg= Received: by 10.100.142.13 with SMTP id p13mr681366and.208.1295459025866; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 09:43:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([137.118.186.73]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e24sm8736431ana.2.2011.01.19.09.43.43 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 19 Jan 2011 09:43:44 -0800 (PST) From: Storm Dragon To: Orca-list In-Reply-To: <4D371CC2.4040809@gmail.com> References: <4D371CC2.4040809@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-41icczGKR5NPNyZfqqCq" Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:43:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1295459018.2553.19.camel@stormdragon-laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3 Subject: Re: [orca-list] On the nature of Orca donations X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 17:43:59 -0000 --=-41icczGKR5NPNyZfqqCq Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Well, at least something good came from it all. Now you know all this legal stuff and can do the LLC thing to protect yourself and I assume other developers in the event of legal trouble. Also, we now have other ways to donate, I personally have donated to 2 of the organizations you have listed. So, some good stuff came from your research. Thanks Storm -- "It's just the beast under your bed, in your closet, in your head" Metallica Registered Linux user number 508465: http://counter.li.org/ My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: http://www.stormdragon.us/ Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stormdragon2976 On Wed, 2011-01-19 at 12:17 -0500, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > Hey guys. > > Storm and a couple of other people have been asking about how to make > donations to Orca. And I have just been sending vague "stay tuned" > emails. In light of some information I received today, let me update you > on why I was being quiet before. > > Ale and I have applied to make Orca a project under the Software Freedom > Conservancy (http://sfconservancy.org/). Doing so has several advantages > in my mind: > > * Funds could be given to the SFC and go directly to supporting work on > Orca. Right now, we don't have a great means for taking in such funds. > And when the funds are significant enough in size (e.g. the Mozilla- > funded performance enhancement work), we have to accept them through > the GNOME Foundation. GNOME is handy in that they do not "take a > chunk" of the donation themselves. But they do introduce a non-trivial > amount of bureaucracy into the picture. For instance, we *still* are > not seeing the performance work begin. It is my understanding that the > contract is still in the hands of GNOME lawyers. > > * We could begin seeking funds for Orca work that is external to GNOME. > For instance, I'd like to see Orca provide access to other desktop > environments. I don't think that's going to take too much effort in > the case of LXDE and XFCE, though I'm not sure. Regardless, my point > is that doing work to make Orca provide access to environments other > than GNOME is not exactly something that GNOME is likely to seek funds > for (and may not feel comfortable accepting). SFC could do that. > > * Providing legal liability to Orca developers. To be honest, until > recently I had no idea that I should be concerned about legal > liability. Back when Orca was a Sun-funded project, we were under the > Sun umbrella. Now that Orca is an un-funded project, we're on our > own. While I don't anticipate Orca being on the receiving end of any > legal issues, if it is, my home and other possessions might be > exposed to risk. :-( > > In order for the SFC to accept Orca's application as a project, they > require we have the support of the GNOME Foundation. So I requested such > support, fully anticipating that GNOME would provide it. After all, it > was not a problem when Orca was a Sun project, and GNOME has made no > indication of additional support and/or increased involvement now that > we're on our own. And we've been on our own for nearly a year now. > > So I didn't foresee any push back from the Foundation regarding our > desire to remain within GNOME, but under the umbrella of the SFC. I > figured it would be seen as Orca's "Sun replacement" essentially, which > is how I essentially view it. > > Oops. > > The Board has their concerns which might or might not get resolved. > Beyond that, I've just found out today that the FSF might be an issue > because they don't allow GNU projects to join SFC. Orca (the > Sun-project, now on-its-own project) is officially a GNOME project, > which might make it a GNU project, which .... > > All I can say is "holy cow." > > I kept thinking that soon I'd be able to say, "Good news! Orca is a > member of the SFC. Here's the donation page Storm and others have asked > for." So much for that.... :-( > > This whole thing has become a big headache to be honest. Therefore, what > I am planning to do is obtain legal liability protection by creating an > LLC for myself and then getting back to the business of actually working > on Orca. > > People wishing to donate money to Orca can do so through the GNOME > Foundation if they so choose. > > Alternatively, and especially in the case of individuals with a strong > desire to contribute funds as a way to say "thanks for all the work you > do," I would encourage charitable giving to other organizations. Knowing > that the time, energy, and work I put in to maintaining and developing > Orca resulted in a worthy charity getting some much-needed funds would > please me quite a bit. If you are interested in supporting causes that I > personally especially care about and/or support, please consider: > > * Braille Literacy > * Breast Cancer > * The Red Cross > * The Electronic Frontier Foundation > * National Public Radio > * Kiva > > I'm sorry this is not the news people wanted to hear about a donations > page. I really thought I'd have better news to offer you.... Please let > me know if you have any questions. > > Take care. > --joanie > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp --=-41icczGKR5NPNyZfqqCq Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi,
Well, at least something good came from it all. Now you know all this legal stuff and can do the LLC thing to protect yourself and I assume other developers in the event of legal trouble. Also, we now have other ways to donate, I personally have donated to 2 of the organizations you have listed. So, some good stuff came from your research.
Thanks
Storm
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On Wed, 2011-01-19 at 12:17 -0500, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: 
Hey guys.

Storm and a couple of other people have been asking about how to make 
donations to Orca. And I have just been sending vague "stay tuned" 
emails. In light of some information I received today, let me update you 
on why I was being quiet before.

Ale and I have applied to make Orca a project under the Software Freedom 
Conservancy (http://sfconservancy.org/). Doing so has several advantages 
in my mind:

* Funds could be given to the SFC and go directly to supporting work on
   Orca. Right now, we don't have a great means for taking in such funds.
   And when the funds are significant enough in size (e.g. the Mozilla-
   funded performance enhancement work), we have to accept them through
   the GNOME Foundation. GNOME is handy in that they do not "take a
   chunk" of the donation themselves. But they do introduce a non-trivial
   amount of bureaucracy into the picture. For instance, we *still* are
   not seeing the performance work begin. It is my understanding that the
   contract is still in the hands of GNOME lawyers.

* We could begin seeking funds for Orca work that is external to GNOME.
   For instance, I'd like to see Orca provide access to other desktop
   environments. I don't think that's going to take too much effort in
   the case of LXDE and XFCE, though I'm not sure. Regardless, my point
   is that doing work to make Orca provide access to environments other
   than GNOME is not exactly something that GNOME is likely to seek funds
   for (and may not feel comfortable accepting). SFC could do that.

* Providing legal liability to Orca developers. To be honest, until
   recently I had no idea that I should be concerned about legal
   liability. Back when Orca was a Sun-funded project, we were under the
   Sun umbrella. Now that  Orca is an un-funded project, we're on our
   own. While I don't anticipate Orca being on the receiving end of any
   legal issues, if it is, my home and other possessions might be
   exposed to risk. :-(

In order for the SFC to accept Orca's application as a project, they 
require we have the support of the GNOME Foundation. So I requested such 
support, fully anticipating that GNOME would provide it. After all, it 
was not a problem when Orca was a Sun project, and GNOME has made no 
indication of additional support and/or increased involvement now that 
we're on our own. And we've been on our own for nearly a year now.

So I didn't foresee any push back from the Foundation regarding our 
desire to remain within GNOME, but under the umbrella of the SFC. I 
figured it would be seen as Orca's "Sun replacement" essentially, which 
is how I essentially view it.

Oops.

The Board has their concerns which might or might not get resolved. 
Beyond that, I've just found out today that the FSF might be an issue 
because they don't allow GNU projects to join SFC. Orca (the 
Sun-project, now on-its-own project) is officially a GNOME project, 
which might make it a GNU project, which ....

All I can say is "holy cow."

I kept thinking that soon I'd be able to say, "Good news! Orca is a 
member of the SFC. Here's the donation page Storm and others have asked 
for." So much for that.... :-(

This whole thing has become a big headache to be honest. Therefore, what 
I am planning to do is obtain legal liability protection by creating an 
LLC for myself and then getting back to the business of actually working 
on Orca.

People wishing to donate money to Orca can do so through the GNOME 
Foundation if they so choose.

Alternatively, and especially in the case of individuals with a strong 
desire to contribute funds as a way to say "thanks for all the work you 
do," I would encourage charitable giving to other organizations. Knowing 
that the time, energy, and work I put in to maintaining and developing 
Orca resulted in a worthy charity getting some much-needed funds would 
please me quite a bit. If you are interested in supporting causes that I 
personally especially care about and/or support, please consider:

* Braille Literacy
* Breast Cancer
* The Red Cross
* The Electronic Frontier Foundation
* National Public Radio
* Kiva

I'm sorry this is not the news people wanted to hear about a donations 
page. I really thought I'd have better news to offer you.... Please let 
me know if you have any questions.

Take care.
--joanie
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--=-41icczGKR5NPNyZfqqCq-- From mwhapples@aim.com Wed Jan 19 19:37:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 052107504CC for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 19:37:54 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rjW2X6ZqRR15 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 19:37:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (imr-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.39]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D58FF7504C7 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 19:37:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mtaout-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.66]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p0JJbEcm019130; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:37:14 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (mwhapples.plus.com [80.229.137.216]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id E924AE0000F6; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:37:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4D373C2B.50403@aim.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 19:31:55 +0000 From: Michael Whapples User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b8pre) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.3a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hammer Attila References: <4D36CF70.6090400@pickup.hu> In-Reply-To: <4D36CF70.6090400@pickup.hu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:488289920:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29424d373d693359 X-AOL-IP: 80.229.137.216 Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] I see a traceback error message when I would like using GDM shutdown possibilities toggle button, needs confirmation X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 19:37:54 -0000 It looks like you may have some files left over from the old install, the traceback refers to a file which no longer exists. Try uninstalling the git version of orca fully and then reinstall it. Michael Whapples On -10/01/37 20:59, Hammer Attila wrote: > Hy, > > Before I reporting my GDM screen related problem with a bug, I would > like asking a confirmation test to diagnose this is not only my system > error: > I see a traceback error message with my Lucid system with latest > uptodated git master version of Orca when I would like using GDM > shutdown possibilities toggle button. > The simptomn is following: > When I press Enter key with this toggle button in panel, Orca lost > speech and not spokening actual choosed menu items (shutdown, restart > etc) in GDM login screen. Prewious before happening refactoring this > is working right. > I maked a debug.out file in GDM login screen, I modifyed the > /usr/share/gdm/autostart/LoginWindow/orca-screen-reader.desktop file > the orca exec command line with following: > "Exec=orca --replace --no-setup --disable main-window --disable > magnifier --enable speech --debug-file=/var/lib/gdm/gdmdebug.out > > Reproducation steps to verification: > 1. In GDM screen, press Ctrl+Tab key. > 2. Press enter key the awailable toggle button (another control is an > icon). When you try navigating the arrow keys with menu items, Orca > will not be spokening actual choosed menu item if my seed problem is > reproducable. > The trace back error message is following, I paste little before and > after parts the debug.out file: > "KEYEVENT: type=1 > id=32 > hw_code=65 > modifiers=0 > event_string=(space) > is_text=True > timestamp=210316 > time=1295436423.155504 > KEYBOARDEVENT: type=1 > id=32 > hw_code=65 > modifiers=0 > event_string=(space) > keyval_name=(space) > is_text=True > timestamp=210316 > time=1295436423.155758 > orca.isModifierKey: returning: False > orca.isModifierKey: returning: False > ----------> QUEUEING OBJECT:STATE-CHANGED:CHECKED > DEQUEUED OBJECT:STATE-CHANGED:CHECKED <---------- > > vvvvv PROCESS OBJECT EVENT object:state-changed:checked vvvvv > OBJECT EVENT: object:state-changed:checked detail=(1,0,None) > app.name='gdm-simple-greeter' name='None' role='toggle button' > state='armed checked enabled focusable focused sensitive showing > visible' relations='' > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca/event_manager.py", > line 236, in _dequeue > self._processObjectEvent(event) > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca/event_manager.py", > line 482, in _processObjectEvent > script.processObjectEvent(event) > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca/script.py", line > 403, in processObjectEvent > self.listeners[key](event) > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca/default.py", line > 3381, in onStateChanged > orca.visualAppearanceChanged(event, event.source) > AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute > 'visualAppearanceChanged' > > event_manager._dequeue: the event queue is empty! > ----------> QUEUEING WINDOW:DEACTIVATE > ----------> QUEUEING OBJECT:STATE-CHANGED:FOCUSED > ----------> QUEUEING OBJECT:STATE-CHANGED:ACTIVE > ----------> QUEUEING OBJECT:STATE-CHANGED:ACTIVE > ----------> QUEUEING FOCUS:" > > If anybody confirming this problem, this type traceback error message > is already reported after happening the refactoring? > If no, I reporting this issue and attaching the maked debug.out file. > > Attila > From mwhapples@aim.com Wed Jan 19 19:54:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 917A57504E9 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 19:54:26 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.823 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.823 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GD=0.077] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id We7y5VnQ+9um for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 19:54:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (imr-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.42]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F82D7503EE for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 19:54:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mtaout-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.130]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p0JJrwDU027951; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:53:58 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (mwhapples.plus.com [80.229.137.216]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 8FC84E0001BD; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:53:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4D37401F.8090508@aim.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 19:48:47 +0000 From: Michael Whapples User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b8pre) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.3a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jason White References: <20110119002107.GA11907@jdc.jasonjgw.net> In-Reply-To: <20110119002107.GA11907@jdc.jasonjgw.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:450140480:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33824d374155193f X-AOL-IP: 80.229.137.216 Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Gdm 3 and Orca configuration X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 19:54:26 -0000 Have a look at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/AccessibleLogin. While debian isn't specifically mentioned I would imagine that it won't differ too much from some of the other distributions. I think those instructions has orca starting automatically, I don't know what would be done to give it a key stroke that you can use to start orca. Michael Whapples On -10/01/37 20:59, Jason White wrote: > Hello all, > > Are there any up to date directions available on how to configure GDM 3 to > start Orca, for example when a particular key is pressed? > > For reference, I'm running Debian. If I start gdm 3, it beeps, which is helpful; the next step would be to load Orca. > > I would like to know this before I give an accessibility-related conference > presentation next week, which will cover Gnome in addition to other topics > surrounding braille and speech access to Linux. > > I did find the instructions in the Gnome accessibility guide, which apply to > Gdm 2 only - the configuration has changed for Gdm 3. > > From mj@mjw.se Wed Jan 19 19:54:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 322427503EE for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 19:54:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.79 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.79 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ul3IQEta2RZT for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 19:54:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mjw.se (mjw.se [88.80.29.25]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CEA1750D72 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 19:54:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mj (c-be17e255.457-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se [85.226.23.190]) by mjw.se (vPostMaster) with ESMTP id 5F2473E0347 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 20:54:42 +0100 (CET) From: "mattias" To: Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 20:55:05 +0100 Message-ID: <000c01cbb812$c451d310$be17e255@mj> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acu4EsOtGOgFmkgNQ9mrZE6R7vvIKA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 Subject: [orca-list] Fedora 11 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 19:54:36 -0000 How to get brltty work with orca in fedora 11 From mwhapples@aim.com Wed Jan 19 20:08:39 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5720C75045F for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 20:08:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.543 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.543 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.347, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_FILL_THIS_FORM_SHORT=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CGqBXnjuGY+q for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 20:08:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imr-db01.mx.aol.com (imr-db01.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.95]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E0537503EE for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 20:08:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mtaout-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.68]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p0JK89il012506; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 15:08:09 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (mwhapples.plus.com [80.229.137.216]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 8702CE000121; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 15:08:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4D374372.6080400@aim.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 20:02:58 +0000 From: Michael Whapples User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b8pre) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.3a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Holmes References: <4D359A3C.9080607@aim.com> <20110119091557.GB11235@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> In-Reply-To: <20110119091557.GB11235@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:498442240:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29444d3744a83b0c X-AOL-IP: 80.229.137.216 Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] OT setting up Evolution Mail X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 20:08:39 -0000 Hello, On archlinux I am using the thunderbird-beta package from AUR which has the alpha releases of thunderbird 3.3 at the moment. If you want to use the latest from mozilla look at ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/nightly/latest-comm-central/, which seems to be the latest 3.3 builds I can find. Michael Whapples On -10/01/37 20:59, Steve Holmes wrote: > Hey Michael, > > I tried looking for the 3.3 builds of Thunderbird on the Mozilla FTP > site but could never find it. Do you know the general directory > locations? nightly/latest/trunk or whatever, only points to 3.1.7 the > last time I looked last week or so. > > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 01:48:44PM +0000, Michael Whapples wrote: >> I think in evolution the option for POP as server type is the same >> as POP3 in other clients. One would have thought that if evolution >> was unable to get the mail for some reason it would show a >> warning/error message. Are there any specific settings you are >> unsure of which we could try and explain? >> >> An alternative to using evolution for email would be thunderbird. I >> would say in general I prefer the interface of thunderbird, setting >> up email accounts can be easy (it has a feature where it can attempt >> to find out the settings automatically for you, eg. with my AIM >> email account I just entered my email address and password and >> thunderbird found the server settings for me). However from time to >> time Mozilla products do seem to break something with accessibility, >> there's times when you feel what might they break next. As an >> example if you use a version of thunderbird from the 3.1 branch >> there is a problem with focus when you open a message in a new >> window rather than in a new tab, upgrading to thunderbird 3.3 >> development builds will solve that but 3.3 has an issue of speaking >> the wrong character when using backspace. Despite the warts of >> thunderbird I do still use it rather than evolution. I think the >> only time I would use evolution instead of thunderbird is if I >> needed to use an exchange server for email, I don't know of any >> plugin or support for it in thunderbird. >> >> Michael Whapples >> On -10/01/37 20:59, Glenn wrote: >>> Hi, >>> I got the Voxin to work with the latest package. >>> Now that I can tolerate the voice, I thought I'd set Evolution Mail. >>> I have set up Outlook express a hundred times, and Outlook a number of >>> times, and even Eudora a number of times a long time ago. >>> But I can't seem to get Evolution to set up for Pop3. >>> In the list of server types, there is POP, but not POP3, but I don't know if >>> this makes any difference. >>> I'm connected to the Internet, and I press F9 to check messages, and it goes >>> out, and seems to not get anything. >>> I know that there is stuff there, because I looked at on the web-mail. >>> Some of the settings aren't exactly like Outlook Express, so when there is >>> no choice exactly like in OE, I feel that there might be a problem.Anyone >>> else had trouble here? >>> And if so, what might I look for? >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Glenn >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From steve.holmes88@gmail.com Wed Jan 19 20:11:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEA0975045F for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 20:11:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.147 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.147 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=1.553, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1qrjOlKHBGve for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 20:11:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A19F7503EE for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 20:11:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywp6 with SMTP id 6so511679ywp.27 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:11:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :user-agent; bh=Snpch5ns8mSnrrft+dBeS4kb7Yh4yFl4Mh17JYC1f5c=; b=U0JJoyVevzDc5y8mGqfZ85K1pMcxIAuCx7ifp+o/3qRp4z9dmjf5Uf5Xt1pg3LzAl3 m6CtCP8yZcuB28Z2SF+w4YXMwgG1SwBmvCldeTLzQevNgW/bbi0yFSwjcfviYv5cUAnn uY/xrQcgVQ2ejyDIQkr19OCcsC0FS+4QRHmNw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:user-agent; b=TECZaZkEw1DaxKdoE7LQC6PwrVkiVEuvS5bFzq4Xlfp8PkXF+R99sX7PADSXSStBEh KQLBTo8rIfG4qBH7ngvcS5CsDHiATIsJsMmxybL6JiyKgihBofIv1b8Zg2NZ8OfJFSkD Z4QSXjZfa7KIZah99/nxvJN/MRGTX0IklmNxc= Received: by 10.42.173.5 with SMTP id p5mr1443066icz.155.1295467905119; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:11:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from lnx3.holmesgrown.com (ip72-208-185-148.ph.ph.cox.net [72.208.185.148]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ca7sm5563514icb.0.2011.01.19.12.11.43 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:11:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 13:11:40 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: Orca E-mail List Message-ID: <20110119201140.GA29806@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Mail-Followup-To: Orca E-mail List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: [orca-list] Open Office Writer Still Crashes! X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 20:11:58 -0000 OK, I thought I was out of the woods when it would come to OO Writer and the on-going crashes with list items. Well, I just went into two documents - one being a Word doc file and the other a native OOo document. In both of them I crashed Writer *every* time I scrolled down past the list items. I can't remember if there is a bug set up for this already or not but I do have a file I would gladly attach to sed bug. I am using the latest Dev of OOo version 3.4 on ArchLinux 32 bit. From steve.holmes88@gmail.com Wed Jan 19 20:17:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE5C675047D for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 20:17:29 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.127 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.127 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=1.553, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_FILL_THIS_FORM_SHORT=0.01, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q-ZYG8fKPP8L for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 20:17:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pz0-f54.google.com (mail-pz0-f54.google.com [209.85.210.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BA247503EE for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 20:17:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk32 with SMTP id 32so249175pzk.27 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:17:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=JP2HRmSqjH95C3V+67Fl5RpSJMpg5nz1a8eiDnw5FNU=; b=jrf9KvqaQSHt8F3x7u/BgyhAsd7VdHq3U78Gl4EEOYUrubTQhCEBElhJqE/vMErZBS SmzvWZnE9t8HXcU2wQqi3CBHrk0T1jWQtxvZvaoGYTwX7/h/emnJDtXMPoBYXiShTqxe juflCOei9y8RHgZ+Yt5MdB8JSPuofzoT58mFM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; b=i8Bf56xeY1dA2Fdt+95mlpsCDTYMHgomGwt6rGrbQmqKLCdrqAExzWQLTnRK9QJxJD eGp48Ut4GxfXliddtUj3mAscBuN/JSecZH8Y5X1clVl4OfUz59PHQOE8gcce2GQ+lX+5 97US/67nrsDiI4f5mWxBmZHcdu++FWYGZHngE= Received: by 10.142.229.16 with SMTP id b16mr1224093wfh.14.1295468236895; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:17:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from lnx3.holmesgrown.com (ip72-208-185-148.ph.ph.cox.net [72.208.185.148]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o1sm10044664wfl.2.2011.01.19.12.17.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:17:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 13:17:12 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110119201712.GB29806@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D359A3C.9080607@aim.com> <20110119091557.GB11235@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> <4D374372.6080400@aim.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D374372.6080400@aim.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] OT setting up Evolution Mail X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 20:17:30 -0000 Yeah, shortly after posting my message, I fired up lftp again and damn if I didn't find the right path. Not sure why I missed it before. Interesting there's an AUR package for this; might need to look at that instead. I learn a lot by looking at the PKGBUILDs for packages like this. On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 08:02:58PM +0000, Michael Whapples wrote: > Hello, > On archlinux I am using the thunderbird-beta package from AUR which > has the alpha releases of thunderbird 3.3 at the moment. > > If you want to use the latest from mozilla look at > ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/nightly/latest-comm-central/, > which seems to be the latest 3.3 builds I can find. > > Michael Whapples > On -10/01/37 20:59, Steve Holmes wrote: > >Hey Michael, > > > >I tried looking for the 3.3 builds of Thunderbird on the Mozilla FTP > >site but could never find it. Do you know the general directory > >locations? nightly/latest/trunk or whatever, only points to 3.1.7 the > >last time I looked last week or so. > > > >On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 01:48:44PM +0000, Michael Whapples wrote: > >>I think in evolution the option for POP as server type is the same > >>as POP3 in other clients. One would have thought that if evolution > >>was unable to get the mail for some reason it would show a > >>warning/error message. Are there any specific settings you are > >>unsure of which we could try and explain? > >> > >>An alternative to using evolution for email would be thunderbird. I > >>would say in general I prefer the interface of thunderbird, setting > >>up email accounts can be easy (it has a feature where it can attempt > >>to find out the settings automatically for you, eg. with my AIM > >>email account I just entered my email address and password and > >>thunderbird found the server settings for me). However from time to > >>time Mozilla products do seem to break something with accessibility, > >>there's times when you feel what might they break next. As an > >>example if you use a version of thunderbird from the 3.1 branch > >>there is a problem with focus when you open a message in a new > >>window rather than in a new tab, upgrading to thunderbird 3.3 > >>development builds will solve that but 3.3 has an issue of speaking > >>the wrong character when using backspace. Despite the warts of > >>thunderbird I do still use it rather than evolution. I think the > >>only time I would use evolution instead of thunderbird is if I > >>needed to use an exchange server for email, I don't know of any > >>plugin or support for it in thunderbird. > >> > >>Michael Whapples > >>On -10/01/37 20:59, Glenn wrote: > >>>Hi, > >>>I got the Voxin to work with the latest package. > >>>Now that I can tolerate the voice, I thought I'd set Evolution Mail. > >>>I have set up Outlook express a hundred times, and Outlook a number of > >>>times, and even Eudora a number of times a long time ago. > >>>But I can't seem to get Evolution to set up for Pop3. > >>>In the list of server types, there is POP, but not POP3, but I don't know if > >>>this makes any difference. > >>>I'm connected to the Internet, and I press F9 to check messages, and it goes > >>>out, and seems to not get anything. > >>>I know that there is stuff there, because I looked at on the web-mail. > >>>Some of the settings aren't exactly like Outlook Express, so when there is > >>>no choice exactly like in OE, I feel that there might be a problem.Anyone > >>>else had trouble here? > >>>And if so, what might I look for? > >>>Thanks. > >>> > >>>Glenn > >>> > >>> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>orca-list mailing list > >>orca-list@gnome.org > >>http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > >>The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > >>The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > >>Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > >>Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > >>Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From bmh1980de@yahoo.de Wed Jan 19 22:12:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6040B750DA6 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 22:12:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1iLthFhoSaFo for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 22:12:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm12-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm12-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.242]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7200F75060B for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 22:12:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.91.67] by nm12.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2011 22:12:04 -0000 Received: from [98.136.185.40] by tm7.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2011 22:12:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2011 22:12:04 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.de; s=s1024; t=1295475124; bh=FwEGmFlw7lrV58RSCbtlBE+yMOThSvl1fQxkt2po7Vg=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XZ41UlHfn/GE3yj/xjOVnaf06CxAG+nkCIiuLCqMlb3WyeT5wD1qWkyGGjBFTw43dup5Qp6ylb7NdjfKgYSWMA0tbJcQr6x4HIkg40sxfAyL+kAEDTCWHpMm8+V+TNWBF/y9lRT1korUccBWZfxfLxSN7fYzs42PU4U3evDqQfM= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 554603.47209.bm@smtp101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com Received: from [192.168.1.50] (bmh1980de@92.231.66.3 with plain) by smtp101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2011 14:12:04 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cp5ucI2swBDgt7JRmWe4v_wy5rFT5Q-- X-YMail-OSG: r_1X5PMVM1mhIGC.pqVjo9sVuRnocg30QrrPG.iYMRqtESg MAdlLQUJeS8gJ83tGqV1LZpVq.iTgD51.iRn911_9zdItCO1.wiYJtuVBgV7 _kGtgKhe2337O8LDj0lkCiTkWETcAW4S1ACeuXQK4A8p5lxqVv7edO5ZgpM8 4Snlaulc9Cn3k6CxkdlV7tSJHsy0cdzZChRDlqYTW99Kbpl6KvTOA_8mMvU6 jJcWf9quHWTgQJS5wbKOIVPJMF6.VCrX2SekEKa3zqBR1jC6kyHyPD8maris WLIk4DMJExNA6j4sca.2FdeOMN324w7vePjikBdjwq2M_wpYHZTYc0NGJQhX FzxYYf5wMk7hgFWqHB4PRuwL3mFrFes8AZXK3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4D3761B2.5070507@yahoo.de> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 23:12:02 +0100 From: Marcus Habermehl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 22:12:17 -0000 Hi. As some of you may know I currently working on the feature request in #620331 'Structural navigation objects should be navigable by a "list of" dialog'. Currently, the following lists are available: List of anchors; accessible with Orca+Ctrl+F2 List of clickable objects; accessible with Orca+Ctrl+F3 List of form fields; accessible with Orca+Ctrl+F4 List of frames; accessible with Orca+Ctrl+F5 List of headings; accessible with Orca+Ctrl+F6 List of links; accessible with Orca+Ctrl+F7 List of all objects; accessible with Orca+Ctrl+F8 I think that the object types are sufficient. A list of paragraphs, sections, or images is unlikely to be useful. Maybe perhaps a list of landmarks. But I do not know any website that uses this technique. This makes it difficult to test such a list. The keyboard shortcuts I have assigned in alphabetical order so that the list ends with all objects at F8. The Ctrl modifier I had to use for the shortcuts, since Orca+F1 to Orca+F12 are already reserved for Mozilla's chat features. The Windows screen reader Jaws used for its lists a similar arrangement. List of all the lists; accessible with JAWS+F3 List of form fields; accessible with JAWS+F5 List of headings; accessible with JAWS+F6 List of links; accessible with JAWS+F7 What is your opinion on the object types and the shortcuts? Greetings Marcus From vilmar@informal.com.br Wed Jan 19 22:48:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3595750613 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 22:48:11 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0z6ii95np2GO for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 22:48:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay04.email.alog.com.br (relay04.email.alog.com.br [200.219.210.27]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C02D7505DD for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 22:47:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay01.email.alog.com.br (relay01.email.alog.com.br [10.0.3.1]) by relay04.email.alog.com.br (Alog-MTA-Corp) with ESMTP id B7DFB2EE0EB for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 20:45:18 -0200 (BRST) Received: from [10.2.14.68] (unknown [200.152.34.2]) (Authenticated sender: vilmar@informal.com.br) by relay01.email.alog.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A352400BCB1 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 20:47:57 -0200 (BRST) Message-ID: <4D376A18.9070103@informal.com.br> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 20:47:52 -0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?Sm9zw6kgVmlsbWFyIEVzdMOhY2lvIGRlIFNvdXph?= Organization: Informal Informatica User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D3761B2.5070507@yahoo.de> In-Reply-To: <4D3761B2.5070507@yahoo.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: vilmar@informal.com.br List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 22:48:12 -0000 Hi, Using a laptop the orca key is the Caps lock. Not very comfortable typing caps lock, f2 and ctrl, However I've no better idea. Thanks. On 01/19/2011 08:12 PM, Marcus Habermehl wrote: > Hi. > > As some of you may know I currently working on the feature request in > #620331 'Structural navigation objects should be navigable by a "list > of" dialog'. > > Currently, the following lists are available: > > List of anchors; accessible with Orca+Ctrl+F2 > List of clickable objects; accessible with Orca+Ctrl+F3 > List of form fields; accessible with Orca+Ctrl+F4 > List of frames; accessible with Orca+Ctrl+F5 > List of headings; accessible with Orca+Ctrl+F6 > List of links; accessible with Orca+Ctrl+F7 > List of all objects; accessible with Orca+Ctrl+F8 > > I think that the object types are sufficient. A list of paragraphs, > sections, or images is unlikely to be useful. Maybe perhaps a list of > landmarks. But I do not know any website that uses this technique. This > makes it difficult to test such a list. > > The keyboard shortcuts I have assigned in alphabetical order so that the > list ends with all objects at F8. > > The Ctrl modifier I had to use for the shortcuts, since Orca+F1 to > Orca+F12 are already reserved for Mozilla's chat features. > > The Windows screen reader Jaws used for its lists a similar arrangement. > > List of all the lists; accessible with JAWS+F3 > List of form fields; accessible with JAWS+F5 > List of headings; accessible with JAWS+F6 > List of links; accessible with JAWS+F7 > > What is your opinion on the object types and the shortcuts? > > Greetings > Marcus > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From mj@mjw.se Wed Jan 19 23:03:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2096E7505DD for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 23:03:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.79 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.79 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EXT0gboiyn5g for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 23:03:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mjw.se (mjw.se [88.80.29.25]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEBCA750561 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 23:03:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mj (c-be17e255.457-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se [85.226.23.190]) by mjw.se (vPostMaster) with ESMTP id 0F1D33E0347 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 00:03:51 +0100 (CET) From: "mattias" To: Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 00:03:26 +0100 Message-ID: <000001cbb82d$145efe40$be17e255@mj> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acu4LRMybscFowPoRD6v37bp4InUvA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 Subject: [orca-list] fedora X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 23:03:44 -0000 I solved it with fc 11 But to old for me Are the fc 13 live installer accessible? From jason@jasonjgw.net Wed Jan 19 23:48:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AC9D750457 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 23:48:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K8S5aKVxf9XJ for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 23:48:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from speakup.octothorp.org (speakup.octothorp.org [174.136.97.10]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05990750076 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 23:47:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jdc.jasonjgw.net ([IPv6:2001:44b8:702a:4770::2]) by speakup.octothorp.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p0JNltJX023736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 23:47:57 GMT Received: by jdc.jasonjgw.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 61AD41803A675; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 10:47:42 +1100 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=jasonjgw.net; s=mail; t=1295480862; bh=Tqmpo9HcODjF7nhn5/wQYr7mdcZqwFCjZR+sum0sfoA=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:In-Reply-To; b=paEkI9tLbQ5MHfczyOkr58qMxs+yke3Ohkvq6vweNq8tiCRe8yt9m5vrSDtM01PPd idpMpsWtJKFMK1zZCooaf/96dxqj0S5tETQvNwh4AK60uJ+EmR5KiqMwuDd3EkXjq0 tWi/RuHJN5SKmvIIaRfIWbp5wtEaUYW6/GPgGgJs= Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 10:47:42 +1100 From: Jason White To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110119234742.GB7022@jdc.jasonjgw.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110119002107.GA11907@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <4D37401F.8090508@aim.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D37401F.8090508@aim.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Gdm 3 and Orca configuration X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 23:48:10 -0000 Michael Whapples wrote: > Have a look at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/AccessibleLogin. While > debian isn't specifically mentioned I would imagine that it won't > differ too much from some of the other distributions. I think those > instructions has orca starting automatically, I don't know what > would be done to give it a key stroke that you can use to start > orca. Thank you for the reference. Unfortunately those instructions all appear to be for Gdm 2, whereas I was inquiring about Gdm 3. From herzog@frontiernet.net Thu Jan 20 03:16:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4D137504DC for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 03:16:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.821 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.821 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779, T_FILL_THIS_FORM_SHORT=0.01, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g9abd7Rp2DtQ for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 03:16:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 772 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 03:16:33 UTC Received: from out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.227]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79A53750477 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 03:16:24 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAHc0N01BJTAk/2dsb2JhbACkSr4RgwsNgjgEhG+JUw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,347,1291593600"; d="scan'208";a="95510665" Received: from relay01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.164]) by out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net with ESMTP; 20 Jan 2011 03:03:31 +0000 X-Previous-IP: 65.37.48.36 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (65-37-48-36.dsl1-merch.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [65.37.48.36]) by relay01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 140383FEAE for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 03:03:30 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4D37A603.4070109@frontiernet.net> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 22:03:31 -0500 From: Herzog User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D359A3C.9080607@aim.com> <20110119091557.GB11235@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> <4D374372.6080400@aim.com> <20110119201712.GB29806@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> In-Reply-To: <20110119201712.GB29806@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] OT setting up Evolution Mail X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 03:16:37 -0000 i have that, or a similar puzzle also, Sometimes orca starts automatically, and sometimes I have to alt plus f two, and type orca and then enter. and nothing that i can note has changed during/between the sessions. I still puzzling and trying to note. This happened with ubuntu 8.10, and still with vinux/ubuntu 10.04. wil ======= On 1/19/2011 3:17 PM, Steve Holmes wrote: > Yeah, shortly after posting my message, I fired up lftp again and damn > if I didn't find the right path. Not sure why I missed it before. > Interesting there's an AUR package for this; might need to look at > that instead. I learn a lot by looking at the PKGBUILDs for packages > like this. > > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 08:02:58PM +0000, Michael Whapples wrote: >> Hello, >> On archlinux I am using the thunderbird-beta package from AUR which >> has the alpha releases of thunderbird 3.3 at the moment. >> >> If you want to use the latest from mozilla look at >> ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/nightly/latest-comm-central/, >> which seems to be the latest 3.3 builds I can find. >> >> Michael Whapples >> On -10/01/37 20:59, Steve Holmes wrote: >>> Hey Michael, >>> >>> I tried looking for the 3.3 builds of Thunderbird on the Mozilla FTP >>> site but could never find it. Do you know the general directory >>> locations? nightly/latest/trunk or whatever, only points to 3.1.7 the >>> last time I looked last week or so. >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 01:48:44PM +0000, Michael Whapples wrote: >>>> I think in evolution the option for POP as server type is the same >>>> as POP3 in other clients. One would have thought that if evolution >>>> was unable to get the mail for some reason it would show a >>>> warning/error message. Are there any specific settings you are >>>> unsure of which we could try and explain? >>>> >>>> An alternative to using evolution for email would be thunderbird. I >>>> would say in general I prefer the interface of thunderbird, setting >>>> up email accounts can be easy (it has a feature where it can attempt >>>> to find out the settings automatically for you, eg. with my AIM >>>> email account I just entered my email address and password and >>>> thunderbird found the server settings for me). However from time to >>>> time Mozilla products do seem to break something with accessibility, >>>> there's times when you feel what might they break next. As an >>>> example if you use a version of thunderbird from the 3.1 branch >>>> there is a problem with focus when you open a message in a new >>>> window rather than in a new tab, upgrading to thunderbird 3.3 >>>> development builds will solve that but 3.3 has an issue of speaking >>>> the wrong character when using backspace. Despite the warts of >>>> thunderbird I do still use it rather than evolution. I think the >>>> only time I would use evolution instead of thunderbird is if I >>>> needed to use an exchange server for email, I don't know of any >>>> plugin or support for it in thunderbird. >>>> >>>> Michael Whapples >>>> On -10/01/37 20:59, Glenn wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> I got the Voxin to work with the latest package. >>>>> Now that I can tolerate the voice, I thought I'd set Evolution Mail. >>>>> I have set up Outlook express a hundred times, and Outlook a number of >>>>> times, and even Eudora a number of times a long time ago. >>>>> But I can't seem to get Evolution to set up for Pop3. >>>>> In the list of server types, there is POP, but not POP3, but I don't know if >>>>> this makes any difference. >>>>> I'm connected to the Internet, and I press F9 to check messages, and it goes >>>>> out, and seems to not get anything. >>>>> I know that there is stuff there, because I looked at on the web-mail. >>>>> Some of the settings aren't exactly like Outlook Express, so when there is >>>>> no choice exactly like in OE, I feel that there might be a problem.Anyone >>>>> else had trouble here? >>>>> And if so, what might I look for? >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> Glenn >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>>> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>>> Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3390 - Release Date: 01/19/11 > > From joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Thu Jan 20 03:21:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13435750477 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 03:21:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6e+Ibin-HN1R for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 03:21:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF4F9750471 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 03:21:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws9 with SMTP id 9so79824vws.27 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 19:21:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent :mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=u+NEpe0uwpX3HBCinawE5BWH0no+jbq2QIPAsqHz9Rg=; b=Ywv6bEUMkqEDjhYdBMK33yk5wMRXh5IlV/HumRcR/QUCMMmlgyNbpKV9TzNAb10v2+ juDFcKQrLVXIaC+KdtPQPajnAI2WQ6Qc6Tg+drJUtvKQ10Jabc+JVJsewOMggNliGp5m xVdvA1kmvl3/0+uMGCVEl25E9Y7qfIY1I1TfE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=Vrd2A61aV5O3woju3R9YUQ8O/7QxAIpq12GkVc6jgXyLqEcoIUvvIKq6tt7H5YyXok kb4+aRSJ9slNyWvuRZMtNZAhLcnOfauts5m7Cp0QzIygyO6zfagkkS3NXKZKimxMjEOL tMTPFTHoClUc/zBd3mxBye0JKyvPQkcWCfoLA= Received: by 10.220.203.68 with SMTP id fh4mr400977vcb.161.1295493701043; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 19:21:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.35.105] (c-98-217-239-60.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [98.217.239.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u6sm4562324vby.7.2011.01.19.19.21.39 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 19 Jan 2011 19:21:40 -0800 (PST) Sender: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <4D37AA47.80808@gnome.org> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 22:21:43 -0500 From: Joanmarie Diggs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b10pre) Gecko/20110119 Thunderbird/3.3a3pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marcus Habermehl References: <4D3761B2.5070507@yahoo.de> In-Reply-To: <4D3761B2.5070507@yahoo.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list Subject: Re: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: joanied@gnome.org List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 03:21:53 -0000 > What is your opinion on the object types and the shortcuts? The original plan was to make all structural navigation objects accessible via a list, and also make the presentation similar so that what a user found when navigating amongst objects (especially form fields and their labels) matched with what was found in the lists. It sounds like your solution may be different. Whether or not that matters is something I'll leave open for discussion. --joanie From jason@jasonjgw.net Thu Jan 20 04:39:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF145750513 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 04:39:00 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.293 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.293 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL=1.31, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.001, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.982] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fYc4b8LYzmxg for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 04:38:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 17464 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 04:38:58 UTC Received: from jdc.jasonjgw.net (ppp203-122-198-9.lns6.adl6.internode.on.net [203.122.198.9]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AF0C7505FF for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 04:38:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by jdc.jasonjgw.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 14A1A1805FA7A; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 15:38:47 +1100 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=jasonjgw.net; s=mail; t=1295498327; bh=DFPndP6Iqpyv33qBjcDmQuhzwbPRhKWPQKWGSE0aVOc=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:In-Reply-To; b=PlfJz5OkYNvAmaT7jgB9GthdBRhdVLXQ7NlEXuA8iTEJvATJlKYUXNkkN802FNTpQ UDGJtJLjLYCG+JDdpXPCBK7lurfQ1jBezfpDC/kA5CfaC4pvkpAu12HoXRULwJIKA5 bS65k71kEcDC9fr7fLFcbj75XCq49d1H8aRkpLjY= Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 15:38:47 +1100 From: Jason White To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110120043847.GB12357@jdc.jasonjgw.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D3761B2.5070507@yahoo.de> <4D37AA47.80808@gnome.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D37AA47.80808@gnome.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 04:39:01 -0000 Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > > >What is your opinion on the object types and the shortcuts? > > The original plan was to make all structural navigation objects > accessible via a list, and also make the presentation similar so > that what a user found when navigating amongst objects (especially > form fields and their labels) matched with what was found in the > lists. It sounds like your solution may be different. Whether or not > that matters is something I'll leave open for discussion. I like the idea of Joanie's solution as described above. As for the key bindings, it might be best to have a prefix key which accesses the list options, followed by a mnemonic key (the same as that used in structural navigation, by default) to choose the type of list. Thus, for example, suppose we used shift-ctrl-l as the prefix, the list of headings would be shift-ctrl-l h. the shift-ctrl-l is just an example, not a proposal. From steve.holmes88@gmail.com Thu Jan 20 06:51:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E5677505B4 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 06:51:54 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.137 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.137 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=1.553, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bsy3MROpAIsG for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 06:51:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C08775055C for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 06:51:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so282042iwn.27 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 22:51:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=jhxzMQQjBm1BA8XVFKM/YkmMuFzdnVEoK8DvvZsgHCo=; b=jFAyw0c0SQmK1I2g0FRlI5kN3dFgCHkDh/SKObj2N5i5+yV5v6D+vn+K9ybNnqjMLS YbZu06mqnDwRM4cTBI6Y68W6algQokMo7qqPLhaYcUYiEY8aOdW+v4rshOZx50OoMWwL pWP5ftg6KTu99624o7aoeQelNWwX107TIwXeo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; b=e9D59JtBtHeUFClyUruCY4JtiicDCS6jD7LAZFbcxlEW4yiBR/ZwyL0qIYvBy5DuDP G2Wrqvq+cliEmbeyu2qe9lMQKYlIu6s1Oijn7jSJ/oQ3JXW6EmYDcWadfDXSQdPyQzML f7SFq4ZQrYI4PZDJR0u6DReVeiRzTXvUCbmV0= Received: by 10.231.199.77 with SMTP id er13mr2065562ibb.44.1295506302261; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 22:51:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from lnx3.holmesgrown.com (ip72-208-185-148.ph.ph.cox.net [72.208.185.148]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i16sm6591059ibl.18.2011.01.19.22.51.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 19 Jan 2011 22:51:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 23:51:37 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110120065137.GA24412@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D3761B2.5070507@yahoo.de> <4D37AA47.80808@gnome.org> <20110120043847.GB12357@jdc.jasonjgw.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110120043847.GB12357@jdc.jasonjgw.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 06:51:54 -0000 On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 03:38:47PM +1100, Jason White wrote: > Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > > > > >What is your opinion on the object types and the shortcuts? > > > > The original plan was to make all structural navigation objects > > accessible via a list, and also make the presentation similar so > > that what a user found when navigating amongst objects (especially > > form fields and their labels) matched with what was found in the > > lists. It sounds like your solution may be different. Whether or not > > that matters is something I'll leave open for discussion. > > I like the idea of Joanie's solution as described above. > > As for the key bindings, it might be best to have a prefix key which accesses > the list options, followed by a mnemonic key (the same as that used in > structural navigation, by default) to choose the type of list. > > Thus, for example, suppose we used shift-ctrl-l as the prefix, the list of > headings would be shift-ctrl-l h. > > the shift-ctrl-l is just an example, not a proposal. Yes, I think I prefer this approach too. The original proposal would gobble up at least 7 valuable keys in one shot. I for one, don't use lists much so would rather have those keys available for other future uses. Of course, others may want these lists but that's where Joanie's idea appears more appropriate to me. From hammera@pickup.hu Thu Jan 20 06:55:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5391A75064F for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 06:55:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WT0x3-R2Mxu7 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 06:55:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED001750513 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 06:55:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id 58ED7E82C7 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:35:02 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D37DC6F.4070504@pickup.hu> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 07:55:43 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] An Emerson related question X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 06:55:57 -0000 Hy, I would like listening a Daisy 3.0 book with Emerson, I using Ubuntu Lucid, Speech-dispatcher with Pulseaudio driver. The problem is following: When the playback is beginning, the mp3 output is very slow, the playback is not continous, and usual middle of mp3 output after a heading the first sentence are Emerson doing pauses, so the playback is not good. If I playing the mp3 file with Totem, the playback is continous. I think Emerson have problems with pulseaudio related, for example following bug containing comment this related: http://code.google.com/p/emerson-reader/issues/detail?id=5&q=willem#c8 I tryed install alsa-oss package and ran emerson with aoss emerson command, but not help. Have another workaround without I lost good Speech-dispatcher stability with new Pulseaudio driver? Or: have an another good Daisy Player software with supports Daisy 3.0 books and supports Pulseaudio? I looked prewious Anydaisy Firefox extension, but if I would like playing the audio content, need exiting Orca. Attila From hammera@pickup.hu Thu Jan 20 07:31:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35E71750513 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 07:31:14 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nmBcY-4Kfnpk for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 07:31:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 275687502EB for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 07:30:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id D5E4DE8748 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:10:16 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D37E4B2.6010404@pickup.hu> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:30:58 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D3761B2.5070507@yahoo.de> <4D37AA47.80808@gnome.org> <20110120043847.GB12357@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <20110120065137.GA24412@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> In-Reply-To: <20110120065137.GA24412@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 07:31:14 -0000 Hy, I think some time the single list possibility is practical, because if have lot of objects have a page, the one list generation with containing all objects is slower with requesting a single list with containing real the need object. I think this is not Marcus mistake (slow large list generation), this is depending webpage containing lot of objects or not. So I think absolute not matter to have both two possibility, but this is only my openion. If more people would like only one list with containing all HTML objects with a treeview structure, I agree this, For example I very often using single links list if I would like asking only links. With shortcuts related: Marcus doed alphabetical order is logical. I suggest only replacing list of frames and list of form fields keybindings if the tree table all navigable HTML object style list and single objects list both acceptable the community. Of course if have more community persons acceptable different keystrokes, not matter if keybindings is changed, the purpose both two keyboard layout this keystrokes are easy to press. :-):-) Need founding keybindings with more acceptable the community, because if have a final keymap, but if the user want changing this keystrokes, need changing this keystrokes with all supported structural navigation Orca application-specific preferences. This feature now supporting following applications if I remember right: - Firefox, - Thunderbird, - Yelp, - Openoffice.org Writer and Libreoffice Writer. So, if this feature keybindings is not acceptable an user, need changing this keystrokes with five application-specific preference file (remove old keystrokes, bound new keystrokes, apply the preferences with application to application). Attila From webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl Thu Jan 20 08:41:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ADB9750D99 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:41:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RFC_ABUSE_POST=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JXbzMe4mRQtD for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:41:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 494 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:41:13 UTC Received: from smtpo09.poczta.onet.pl (smtpo09.poczta.onet.pl [213.180.142.140]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8009C75066F for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:41:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cujo (unknown [193.200.46.16]) (Authenticated sender: webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl) by smtp.poczta.onet.pl (Onet) with ESMTPA id 4C5BB2007EE0E for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:32:47 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:25:07 +0100 From: Michal Zegan To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110120082507.GA5305@cujo> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="vtzGhvizbBRQ85DL" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: [orca-list] gdm3 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:41:16 -0000 --vtzGhvizbBRQ85DL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hey. What's gdm3/what features it has, actually? --vtzGhvizbBRQ85DL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAABAgAGBQJNN/FjAAoJEIm05B02l8E60tQP/ArgNewCs5UyMzGg4nvz03Ai hQCoZrzx4IYcdXdHB6Wse597sIHcwma5iN0RvOzLPFbyWNwa8cR8T+ylWxKVk9Rz JDUxAvsEVV25mJ50vrDXabwo2huERkB9w4AAxlTYFnFDwwJilf3WMIlmDNRsxZqx apv3Qd3yy54NwUUGopyh7u353tH8LZ72BHo1N0tbSfHHVKFZiAf8UGStttNCsH47 1GEJEpjj130y2hSd2jB5zn4AZmIOsk9kAWSq6rmV/XipbJayINnoLx1bKTeq8vjh 2Ima4OrRaJKTM8tCR5sS8Y+qgm4U3KBt4VFig6sNDKWS666J65/UhzVXhFTnbL3k Msq5C3jGjuk34IG8NaIcV1L31TsrZ4xEfZXmHMO4TLqLqhGuhC3F5rTP7KenlUP9 WQnOcfcT3ZMvdlwD25C0zI+llY91F1kHmKFOZ3jqAgg/d001P1bzFAxLWq/Eok+Q ovUag4qBNF7DYYCYAeBKZGhAtK79f4Ij4H8Yu3PbpdHDP1v9obXc412PDwfmRlnz ppIcQR3V9zjmSe1pmqmYKGxyErjWrNPfwd2XdGJFglwblM96B+lmla65mJgrfd08 KlBe8WFIcXFOJdCGxTt/4+LplLGcFpLxmAnywPH4Rb3x/w8ZZ8fnUylhZ+I4KbNy hmoM4MYw4qOkrajPkuce =ouPb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --vtzGhvizbBRQ85DL-- From hammet.pb@seznam.cz Thu Jan 20 08:49:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BF31750D99 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:49:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.11 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.11 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CJX6IBwG8C4N for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:49:55 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 1403 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:49:55 UTC Received: from smtp-out3.iol.cz (smtp-out3.iol.cz [194.228.2.91]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 700E175066F for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:49:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from antivir5.iol.cz (unknown [192.168.30.212]) by smtp-out3.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A3C8BC88AB for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:26:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (antivir5.iol.cz [127.0.0.1]) by antivir5.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id B93741E8034 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:26:20 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at iol.cz Received: from antivir5.iol.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (antivir5.iol.cz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10224) with LMTP id dybfvhPx8oYC for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:26:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from port7.iol.cz (unknown [192.168.30.97]) by antivir5.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63BDB1E8043 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:26:20 +0100 (CET) X-SBRS: None X-SBRS-none: None X-RECVLIST: MTA-OUT-IOL X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmEMAN+AN01OZrbx/2dsb2JhbAAMhQKRJs0ZhVAEix4 Received: from ip-78-102-182-241.net.upcbroadband.cz (HELO [192.168.1.2]) ([78.102.182.241]) by port7.iol.cz with ESMTP; 20 Jan 2011 09:26:15 +0100 Message-ID: <4D37F1A6.6040003@seznam.cz> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:26:14 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Petr_Bl=E1ha?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; cs; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] orca preferences in Natty X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:49:58 -0000 Hello list, i have installed Ubuntu 11.04 natty Narwall, which is still under developement, but it run's quite fine and i didn't met any unstability during use. Anyway, i have one quite big problem with orca in this version, that i can't access the orca preferences when i press the keystroke, orca says "running orca preferences" but no dialogue window appears. Is there any solution how to fix this problem or may i have to way till this Ubuntu distribution will be oficially released and supported by Orca? Thanks for your answers. From jason@jasonjgw.net Thu Jan 20 08:52:34 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8382750550 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:52:34 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.832 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.832 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL=1.31, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.001, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.982, TW_BD=0.077, TW_BG=0.077, TW_BX=0.077, TW_GD=0.077, TW_GT=0.077, TW_IB=0.077, TW_XK=0.077] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ixo-jM+cYmQM for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:52:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jdc.jasonjgw.net (ppp203-122-198-9.lns6.adl6.internode.on.net [203.122.198.9]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28C4F750248 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:52:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by jdc.jasonjgw.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7B1401805FA7A; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 19:52:20 +1100 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=jasonjgw.net; s=mail; t=1295513540; bh=vHVkgSir4B3ynOS6/zBzcxmFyqSdrtpP3P66a/tncQA=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:In-Reply-To; b=4L7qujSNldfLxcJlzZu2xAiw4vIrli1OkqhM3QFEXA2iK7A/mAHXXaPIwuc0WpZJB xt1u+xJigqEIs/Ec6D7+1/1khbkgMyN1bsQy46oj1hGuL0AV5bI/MEBEasa6dXlBAu MtrkVQjuaJNNOCF262UQuRPXC6HqwzaHzsFZL/4M= Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 19:52:20 +1100 From: Jason White To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110120085220.GA15437@jdc.jasonjgw.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110120082507.GA5305@cujo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110120082507.GA5305@cujo> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] gdm3 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:52:35 -0000 Michal Zegan wrote: > What's gdm3/what features it has, actually? I suggest reading the description in the following package details. Package: gdm3 New: yes State: installed Automatically installed: no Version: 2.30.5-6 Priority: optional Section: gnome Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers Uncompressed Size: 7,066 k Depends: libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.18), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.29.3), libattr1 (>= 2.4.41-1), libaudit0, libbonobo2-0 (>= 2.15.0), libbonoboui2-0 (>= 2.15.1), libc6 (>= 2.3), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libcanberra-gtk0 (>= 0.4), libcanberra0 (>= 0.2), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.0.2), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.88), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.8.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2.1), libgconf2-4 (>= 2.27.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.24.0), libgnome2-0 (>= 2.17.3), libgnomecanvas2-0 (>= 2.11.1), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.16.0), liborbit2 (>= 1:2.14.10), libpam0g (>= 0.99.7.1), libpanel-applet2-0 (>= 2.28.0), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libpolkit-gobject-1-0 (>= 0.94), libpolkit-gtk-1-0 (>= 0.94), libpopt0 (>= 1.16), libselinux1 (>= 1.32), libupower-glib1 (>= 0.9.0), libwrap0 (>= 7.6-4~), libx11-6, libxau6, libxdmcp6, libxklavier16 (>= 5.0), libxml2 (>= 2.6.27), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, gconf2 (>= 2.28.1-2), adduser, libpam-modules (>= 0.72-1), libpam-runtime (>= 0.76-13.1), gnome-session-bin (>= 2.30), policykit-1-gnome, upower, gnome-session | x-session-manager | x-window-manager | x-terminal-emulator, lsb-base (>= 3.2-14), librsvg2-common Recommends: zenity, xserver-xephyr | xnest, x11-xkb-utils, xserver-xorg, at-spi, gnome-power-manager (>= 2.28), gnome-settings-daemon, gnome-icon-theme, desktop-base (>= 6) Suggests: libpam-gnome-keyring, metacity, gnome-mag, gnome-orca, gok Conflicts: fast-user-switch-applet, gdm Breaks: gnome-orca (< 2.30.0-2), gnome-panel (< 2.26), gnome-screensaver (< 2.17.7), gnome-session (< 2.26) Replaces: fast-user-switch-applet Provides: fast-user-switch-applet, x-display-manager Description: Next generation GNOME Display Manager GDM provides the equivalent of a "login:" prompt for X displays: it asks for a login and starts X sessions. It provides all the functionality of XDM, including XDMCP support for managing remote displays, and extends it with the ability to start X servers on demand. The greeter is written using the GNOME libraries and hence looks like a GNOME application - even to the extent of supporting themes! This package contains the next generation GDM, which was developed using the technologies on which GNOME 3 is based. From mwhapples@aim.com Thu Jan 20 09:19:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C9A1750248 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:19:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.823 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.823 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GD=0.077] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q-EgczGRrHWl for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:19:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (imr-mb01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.164]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA0AA75040B for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:19:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mtaout-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.65]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p0K9JF0A013652; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 04:19:15 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (mwhapples.plus.com [80.229.137.216]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 53C4EE0000B8; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 04:19:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4D37FCD0.1080305@aim.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:13:52 +0000 From: Michael Whapples User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b8pre) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.3a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jason White References: <20110119002107.GA11907@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <4D37401F.8090508@aim.com> <20110119234742.GB7022@jdc.jasonjgw.net> In-Reply-To: <20110119234742.GB7022@jdc.jasonjgw.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:488195904:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29414d37fe127130 X-AOL-IP: 80.229.137.216 Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Gdm 3 and Orca configuration X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:19:35 -0000 As my memory goes gdm3 is a debian package name and doesn't actually represent gdm 3.x, I don't think there has actually been a gdm 3.x release yet. Check what version the gdm3 debian package actually refers to, I guess its going to be something like 2.28.x, 2.30.x or 2.32.x in which case the instructions on the orca wiki page will apply. I know this package naming in debian has caught me out before, by default I just used the gdm package not realising it was a very old version of gdm. Michael Whapples On -10/01/37 20:59, Jason White wrote: > Michael Whapples wrote: >> Have a look at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/AccessibleLogin. While >> debian isn't specifically mentioned I would imagine that it won't >> differ too much from some of the other distributions. I think those >> instructions has orca starting automatically, I don't know what >> would be done to give it a key stroke that you can use to start >> orca. > Thank you for the reference. Unfortunately those instructions all appear to be > for Gdm 2, whereas I was inquiring about Gdm 3. > > From jason@jasonjgw.net Thu Jan 20 09:25:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4132875040B for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:25:45 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.37 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.37 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL=1.31, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.001, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.982, TW_GD=0.077] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bGoT1XPebbj0 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:25:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jdc.jasonjgw.net (ppp203-122-198-9.lns6.adl6.internode.on.net [203.122.198.9]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1497D750248 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:25:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by jdc.jasonjgw.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 30BB71805FA7A; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 20:25:32 +1100 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=jasonjgw.net; s=mail; t=1295515532; bh=MWMU55423ipR7vaCiA1UXPO4vAbpm2QhyB3P4kfXc6g=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:In-Reply-To; b=tHZ0UJNtpp98ACnh//ioYjQOX9e9pPjKeFaip8ivctRwXL2ibQEpnZhAVh8qlF+cJ hHhBOcP9/zx93tU+WrR7vRjNTSZkxULEL73MaLoraulj74i9V9yBDZkHwGUuonljY8 15o0llw2MWs16d/V9lKPryKr6DRmf+3TG6qDSawM= Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 20:25:32 +1100 From: Jason White To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110120092532.GB15889@jdc.jasonjgw.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110119002107.GA11907@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <4D37401F.8090508@aim.com> <20110119234742.GB7022@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <4D37FCD0.1080305@aim.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D37FCD0.1080305@aim.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Gdm 3 and Orca configuration X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:25:45 -0000 Michael Whapples wrote: > As my memory goes gdm3 is a debian package name and doesn't actually > represent gdm 3.x, I don't think there has actually been a gdm 3.x > release yet. Mine is 2.30.5, but the configuration files are completely different from those of GDM 2. From trev.saunders@gmail.com Thu Jan 20 09:29:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D8CA75040B for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:29:07 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aJRphltu1+ZV for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:29:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qy0-f175.google.com (mail-qy0-f175.google.com [209.85.216.175]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62FCB750248 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:28:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk8 with SMTP id 8so1613807qyk.6 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 01:28:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=nvhI7HIZxl83b601mxlUO6BXUSGkuCi2Ter1Ea4Et4E=; b=gCuP0QBok3ko94Xl063tLZnbum+1P+OGuJTqXwxMZ3l/eO+ia0MZtRNjGaxjcAOa/N 77aQ+BUdC8CD1f9T0rE9A9Xj7ZfRkyWRgJAC46i3sQbsCjIKEwLD3TgXAJDtSs3kQ72D FD1teVVGTrKNdyyzBRIE3COkeCTDfbk8ZM/2A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=pHGYHPu/Fzy9uZwm5rsQJh9khTuseQjK9EByDEIJsAPOTzlD4sjJJr4maDCb0POQR7 2MbJ51+pXrK1RfqIaghsLiZic+A+V2PBW4s1VQLkVI2za/qGHqCnkg4qfkfmqIYxRgBS 1vvVpvqLyxBfiegAhTuKTCet46FBj/tLo28jg= Received: by 10.229.213.198 with SMTP id gx6mr1612530qcb.45.1295515734382; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 01:28:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from football.tbsaunde.org (TREVTOP2W.WV.CC.CMU.EDU [128.237.246.254]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t7sm5529173qcs.16.2011.01.20.01.28.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 20 Jan 2011 01:28:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 04:27:34 -0500 From: Trevor Saunders To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110120092734.GA23303@football.tbsaunde.org> References: <4D37F1A6.6040003@seznam.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="x+6KMIRAuhnl3hBn" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D37F1A6.6040003@seznam.cz> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: [orca-list] orca preferences in Natty X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:29:07 -0000 --x+6KMIRAuhnl3hBn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 09:26:14AM +0100, Petr Bl=E1ha wrote: > Hello list, > i have installed Ubuntu 11.04 natty Narwall, which is still under > developement, but it run's quite fine and i didn't met any > unstability during use. > Anyway, i have one quite big problem with orca in this version, that > i can't access the orca preferences when i press the keystroke, orca > says "running orca preferences" but no dialogue window appears. > Is there any solution how to fix this problem or may i have to way > till this Ubuntu distribution will be oficially released and > supported by Orca? This might be bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D638672 but that's just a gues, we'd need details to actually try and help. Of course if you want you can also just skip the preferences ui and edit ~/.local/share/orca/user-settings.conf by hand. Trev > Thanks for your answers. >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightl= y/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQu= estions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp --x+6KMIRAuhnl3hBn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNOAAGAAoJEBfSn9LueXXXRRMP/ivI+wHGyhCzaM9d7NZ4ijXY 5bw22HabKx9Lw0kGQsJqFNtMwyWRaE8CACZmho/w6UwRsdVfWGJ7TmB9uaBKbuhs qUh27x86E/hwkoUk+jSeZtPpruJZO+pXF6hrBRCTzSfrthsjzJLQs6MsgC87xADE gitwH3JtJeNX8INNPgzDDCuKyp77fKCck4OlRiDOkVNrSpfH9Jz2sYx0XjbEItsY iyUsDGP0Xa7mWRLcdotUO1vqL66hB5B1oxHJnNuTjALw8SjOyHPlxo43I2We5iWW Q4kYhklVyrDojQIscZGijWCvSqxMj6Ii7QOdRnuQe7brw6NM12u81wSsgVqhnIG9 bFOEmAKXKcv9y77k9o4ZCLK1fHZabb/32/D2dVA7LGqy7DsCMFQSmrXbfAI2A0Nj efqHcZHJhuvhrLbFz2qPesKczuYFdMSAua4Hw+wjpL5mieHUJUZipT3Fltbe09Do e6KMW8cvsV93tIjfR5ymc2fCfkuyJECJzyk9PZU2eqpjC8yob+XwKtckiYy2SHVV Oe/CtlEjmcdpVY/cfGUgeXmRjMpTvEzEW6RaCHOXS+4mSjseSb+O7KsDXvmQYbmK i7rBWNocxqbmVVN2HZzJ9H70lGepnJErEHynDKds8HN2IwSrEjzhX0r0Lq5h3Tg7 JE3QyODoKhOVEMi/b8f2 =k4wE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --x+6KMIRAuhnl3hBn-- From bhatdv@gmail.com Thu Jan 20 10:06:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EDEF750426; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 10:06:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bhPfWRS5iIK6; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 10:06:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D56875040B; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 10:06:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwj9 with SMTP id 9so389681qwj.27 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 02:06:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type; bh=wRUso9b5VcWRy9QRJJg1Cz3I7xr8z3JmebcbqXXewDA=; b=nDUdz+GWRo9ChDIys7xnTttDvvscqHqRKWRRLFgQv2adMAI8/ocqBj3yRnPVU/Ufm1 RpicN438uuuBRz5PHRIXAb3869MhR2weu7eSE1buMcwYrwxIGBcD8Zmj7nhCMwGIiQNH zGPMZDsVov7yMl7+XG/ETw59USmwGKlo9fdmk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=mg2eaOF7WywCo9DrG/tdHL4i6/U+UcNrMi0/C+RtNmgymOUZNLfdUDHa2WMl/0ZWPo Xd1rcf6Vr3qCUl/aLCHHKmyWjAikXx+4KMxe8eevqUXWb3tit996075qhIDI4it1xm85 R2F9MG1LJNfMxCv0XWEA34gpXqQSkdJNtQRro= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.82.8 with SMTP id z8mr1599693qck.108.1295517963996; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 02:06:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.176.130 with HTTP; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 02:06:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 15:36:03 +0530 Message-ID: From: Dattatray Bhat To: orca-list@gnome.org, Orca-Devel Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163646d40c0b4cf6049a44481d Cc: sagun baijal Subject: [orca-list] Structural navigation of OOo writer documents. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 10:06:17 -0000 --00163646d40c0b4cf6049a44481d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 An item in the Orca Roadmap, viz. "Improved access to OpenOffice: July 2011 - July 2012" reads - add the ability to access Writer documents similar to Gecko documents: - Structural navigation for moving amongst elements, including form controls. - "List of" dialogs, e.g. to get a list of all headings (not yet implemented for Gecko). - Document summary (i.e. of the different elements in the document). Is somebody already working on this, please? If not, I would like to take up the task. Regards. --00163646d40c0b4cf6049a44481d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable An item in the Orca Roadmap, viz. "Improved access to OpenOffice: July= 2011 - July 2012" reads -
add the ability to access Writer documen= ts similar to Gecko documents:
  • Structural navigation for moving = amongst elements, including form controls.
  • "List of" dialogs, e.g. to get a list of all headings (not ye= t implemented for Gecko).
  • Document summary (i.e. of the different e= lements in the document).
Is somebody already working on this, ple= ase? If not, I would like to take up the task.
Regards. --00163646d40c0b4cf6049a44481d-- From geoff@QuiteLikely.com Thu Jan 20 13:16:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B41DE750635 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:16:08 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tjXcGa0s6+-u for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:16:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ewr.djernes.net (ewr.djernes.net [97.107.141.189]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25EB3750426 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:15:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from data.home (bzq-79-181-185-34.red.bezeqint.net [79.181.185.34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ewr.djernes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 25783128024 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:15:54 +0000 (UTC) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 ewr.djernes.net 25783128024 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=quitelikely.com; s=2010; t=1295529355; bh=yeKXzmlyiX1uh7N/UIlO1/Pi7ErtrAjeKFmW+Klh+iw=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Km7Pbn1JfUXIPAahjHr0QlrcTGvGtt63lk8+ksJJB8ylCpyxb3V8xLGiQ2hyYpmYV OmAnKHe++qSlY4mE8rFmQfAoHhX6fjH8xwao6XXZB4yfzDJ/EberW/2XT3eR8iKod8 Ui/proHmrdVWb85n1WzUcogcZ4Kxod9wS89qbk4E= Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 15:15:52 +0200 (IST) From: Geoff Shang X-X-Sender: geoff@data.home To: orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20110120065137.GA24412@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Message-ID: References: <4D3761B2.5070507@yahoo.de> <4D37AA47.80808@gnome.org> <20110120043847.GB12357@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <20110120065137.GA24412@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (DEB 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:16:08 -0000 Hi, I'm very new to Orca, so will keep my comments to a minimum. But you may want to look at what's been done in NVDA. You only have one dialog box there and select the type of element to look at. You can also enter in a search string to narrow down the list. Geoff. From kd7cyu@yahoo.com Thu Jan 20 14:56:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6229F750E96 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:56:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.633 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.633 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD=1.63, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RFC_ABUSE_POST=0.001] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gjItNlJtonra for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:56:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sh77.surpasshosting.com (sh77.surpasshosting.com [72.29.75.145]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FB7C7507B2 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:56:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-76-121-69-115.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([76.121.69.115]:33219 helo=tom-laptop.local) by sh77.surpasshosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PfvwE-0006Bd-3W; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:56:38 -0500 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 06:56:28 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Masterson X-X-Sender: kd7cyu@tom-laptop To: Steve Holmes In-Reply-To: <20110119201140.GA29806@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Message-ID: References: <20110119201140.GA29806@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (DEB 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sh77.surpasshosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - yahoo.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: Orca E-mail List Subject: Re: [orca-list] Open Office Writer Still Crashes! X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:56:52 -0000 I think I put a bug in about this sometime ago but I can't find a record of it in my email so... Tom On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, Steve Holmes wrote: > OK, I thought I was out of the woods when it would come to OO Writer > and the on-going crashes with list items. Well, I just went into two > documents - one being a Word doc file and the other a native OOo > document. In both of them I crashed Writer *every* time I scrolled > down past the list items. I can't remember if there is a bug set up > for this already or not but I do have a file I would gladly attach to > sed bug. > > I am using the latest Dev of OOo version 3.4 on ArchLinux 32 bit. > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From steve.holmes88@gmail.com Thu Jan 20 15:11:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 388B1750637; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 15:11:18 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.137 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.137 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=1.553, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tLKaGdswi-E8; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 15:11:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64A707506A4; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 15:11:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws9 with SMTP id 9so215561vws.27 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 07:11:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=kSfYnFfcr/s1dJ8CDbZeqIB2LXjfpzUBb7SKDMQlLVc=; b=LFbMKnVCIBQjPsTHKHS6+4R1oXl+pJGOnV59uNQuK6J1Qgf4Pst67x/Ir8ANd8vLUl Iv7FrmoRV1yELbhnvmVaWuGWMQLoskGzWgEz3IgJrHrCBKfAZwUHmcbs+otw2dCMxyX4 MPpMQZOKJ1qcnvs9mQ/8k7nH7gHkMoW7SLg9U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; b=rNsWL1mzgTl18lYMmycdtYZTQYXJ64Bs85tR5jqSrEqvu5/46OXD0+ZNTOmwm5nSQK 9uJrvHSZx3jOsPYlM7YW5ii5Dtrw2Pu3kqeCqS7ui7qFC28VwIGHgG8uLJP6jFVEiRdg o1zeh/ccYL2NZBScZi6aaP3AhZIK+CDteowFo= Received: by 10.220.100.195 with SMTP id z3mr611421vcn.4.1295536263849; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 07:11:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from lnx3.holmesgrown.com (ip72-208-185-148.ph.ph.cox.net [72.208.185.148]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u6sm4888348vby.7.2011.01.20.07.11.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 20 Jan 2011 07:11:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:10:58 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: orca-devel-list@gnome.org, orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110120151058.GA26759@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Mail-Followup-To: orca-devel-list@gnome.org, orca-list@gnome.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] [orca-devel] Structural navigation of OOo writer documents. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 15:11:18 -0000 Part of this navigation is already available in the document navigator as native support in OOo Writer. However, there is an introduction to structural navigation in place in Orca to provide table navigation. Orca+z turns this on and off. I also have some interest in this and saw bugs for part of this and expressed interest in working on them. In particular, I would like to see the ability to have Orca automatically speak when you come across headers and style changes among other things. Maybe we can work together on some of this. I'm still trying to learn how all this works yet. Learning python but don't have a full grip on all the ATK stuff and Orca internals. On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 03:36:03PM +0530, Dattatray Bhat wrote: > An item in the Orca Roadmap, viz. "Improved access to OpenOffice: July 2011 > - July 2012" reads - > add the ability to access Writer documents similar to Gecko documents: > > - Structural navigation for moving amongst elements, including form > controls. > - "List of" dialogs, e.g. to get a list of all headings (not yet > implemented for Gecko). > - Document summary (i.e. of the different elements in the document). > > Is somebody already working on this, please? If not, I would like to take up > the task. > Regards. > _______________________________________________ > orca-devel-list mailing list > orca-devel-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-devel-list From hammera@pickup.hu Thu Jan 20 15:49:34 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BA71750446 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 15:49:34 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YgcqGyGzU+Tw for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 15:49:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC8187500FD for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 15:49:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id 3B3EBE82BC for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 17:28:39 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D385981.30206@pickup.hu> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 16:49:21 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] I see some interesting Orca freezing with I don't possible reproducing always X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 15:49:34 -0000 Hy, Perhaps my system wrong (only yesterday I cleanup right the monday changed script files), I see some interesting Orca freezing after I closing an application. This is I think begin happening after monday doed changes, but the problem I not possible tell an absolute sure reproducation step. For example, if I some time closing Gedit, Orca is full silencing when I begin typing a terminal window, only Orca restart help. Some time when I jumping next unread message with a different folder, Orca not spokening the popup question, but not freezing. Oldest time my machine Orca is some time freezing only if I closing Firefox 3.6 version, but I think this is a known issue, happened prewious mail changes in the list this problem related. Anybody see interesting but not reproducable Orca freezing after monday doed changes? I doed following to prewent this problem: 1. Remove entire the .local/share/orca/app-settings directory. 2. Full uninstall Orca and remove the unneed /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca directory. My orca-customizations.py file is not using the default script, only importing orca.speech, orca.braille, orca.input_event, orca.settings, orca.keybindings, orca.orca files. All trying not help unfortunately. If not you wrote confirmation, I doing I think a reinstall, because my Lucid system is little old. I no, master branch is master branch, some time unstable, but prewious I not see this type problem. :-):-) Possible I missing a step with prewent this type problems? Attila From mwhapples@aim.com Thu Jan 20 16:00:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB3D77507BB for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 16:00:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.823 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.823 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GD=0.077] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15J11HpxxMK8 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 16:00:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imr-db01.mx.aol.com (imr-db01.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.95]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 727B1750EB7 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 16:00:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mtaout-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.5]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p0KG0CYI030711; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 11:00:12 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (mwhapples.plus.com [80.229.137.216]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 632CBE000129; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 11:00:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4D385AC6.4040502@aim.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 15:54:46 +0000 From: Michael Whapples User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b8pre) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.3a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jason White References: <20110119002107.GA11907@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <4D37401F.8090508@aim.com> <20110119234742.GB7022@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <4D37FCD0.1080305@aim.com> <20110120092532.GB15889@jdc.jasonjgw.net> In-Reply-To: <20110120092532.GB15889@jdc.jasonjgw.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:470540352:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29054d385c0c4b88 X-AOL-IP: 80.229.137.216 Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Gdm 3 and Orca configuration X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 16:00:45 -0000 The information is there on the orca wiki page I gave the link for, the archlinux instructions are still relevant for gdm 2.30.x. As I said the naming gdm3 is a debian construct, nobody else as far as I know refers to gdm 2.30.x and above as gdm3. I think as part of this packaging debian has done (probably just to add to confusion) customisation of some of the locations and such like, replacing gdm with gdm3. What I am getting at is, where the archlinux instructions refer to the gdm user it might be the gdm3 user in debian. I will admit the instructions for ubuntu and the quick instructions near the top of the page do seem to refer to an older version of gdm and so are probably irrelevant. Michael Whapples On -10/01/37 20:59, Jason White wrote: > Michael Whapples wrote: >> As my memory goes gdm3 is a debian package name and doesn't actually >> represent gdm 3.x, I don't think there has actually been a gdm 3.x >> release yet. > Mine is 2.30.5, but the configuration files are completely different from > those of GDM 2. > > From mwhapples@aim.com Thu Jan 20 16:51:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 439257500FD for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 16:51:12 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.823 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.823 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GD=0.077] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pvA4OgXIa0v9 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 16:51:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (imr-ma06.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.142]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F32B47505C3 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 16:51:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mtaout-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.6]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p0KGokPj018703 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 11:50:46 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (mwhapples.plus.com [80.229.137.216]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id ECB7BE00009C for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 11:50:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4D3866A0.8060006@aim.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 16:45:20 +0000 From: Michael Whapples User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b8pre) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.3a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "orca-list@gnome.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:455092864:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29064d3867e528a1 X-AOL-IP: 80.229.137.216 Subject: [orca-list] GDM issue with orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 16:51:12 -0000 Hello, There was a recent upgrade in archlinux for gdm and it includes a patch which resolves the issue mentioned by Attila, in not being able to just press enter at the gdm screen (see http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=629310). Now unfortunately this version of gdm in archlinux has issues with orca. The problem is that when gdm appears and orca has loaded the list for choosing a user does not speak or Braille anything. If I press tab, or possibly if I were to do something which takes focus away from the chooser and then return back to the chooser, then orca will speak and Braille the selection fine. I have done a debug on this and it appears that orca is getting no events while this happens, only the keypresses appear for that part of the debug output. Can anyone else reproduce this issue? Now obviously the list itself is accessible as when I move focus to it explicitly orca speaks fine. Now I get a few thoughts on different approaches to solve this, advice would be welcome: 1. Should I add to the bug report for bug 629310 saying that patch isn't making the chooser accessible to orca when it is giving focus to the list item? 2. Should we try and do some sort of work around in orca? I feel probably not. If others feel this is the best way to go, what is the best way to find out about what accessible elements are available at the gdm screen (I mean what can I run in such a restricted environment, I imagine accerciser won't work here). 3. Should I file a separate bug against GDM for this? Personally I feel the choice is between options 1 and 3. The question I feel I need the answer to for deciding that is: Is this issue caused by that patch and how it solves 629310 or is it a more generic issue to gdm. Michael Whapples From mstopka@centurytel.net Wed Jan 19 14:47:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5F6D750496 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:47:43 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xBLP+p5+nqa8 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:47:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail941c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail941c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.131]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7168C75027B for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:47:30 +0000 (UTC) X-Authenticated-User: mstopka.centurytel.net Received: from OwnerPC (207-119-107-177.dyn.centurytel.net [207.119.107.177]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail941c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p0JElNk6013581 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:47:25 GMT From: "mike cutie and maia" To: Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 08:47:18 -0600 Message-ID: <03f801cbb7e7$c6a08c90$53e1a5b0$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_03F9_01CBB7B5.7C061C90" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acu358SfJhuog7dMS7+EmEdhEPEJBQ== Content-Language: en-us X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=XVqAJr2ZWwfBSsdk4FzlBzxyf3pguIMXINWh6VweC0M= c=1 sm=1 a=vjokzxXkyM4A:10 a=8MmB0kDJ8pjjMIt452x5ag==:17 a=WHtmw4n9AAAA:8 a=fZ52GaFG457oDJNe77kA:9 a=vdYgTqqVGqoLI_lVnUsA:7 a=y_ZctKiEtAa3SEV90AZ56Na7n8cA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=GkGVzj0NokUPED3N:21 a=jKjR2ez8rKeGiGIe:21 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=byeq5vDglLNjneH1w_4A:9 a=cAybRkpw3IzLirgC_IQA:7 a=wK-rrsfstu7TkEXn3cFi9HKDdLsA:4 a=8MmB0kDJ8pjjMIt452x5ag==:117 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 16:59:20 +0000 Subject: [orca-list] i get this when i try to run orca in squeeze X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:47:44 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_03F9_01CBB7B5.7C061C90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I get this when I try to run orca in squeeze any ideas? Selecting previously deselected package gnome-orca. (Reading database ... 112369 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking gnome-orca (from .../gnome-orca_2.30.2-2_all.deb) ... Processing triggers for hicolor-icon-theme ... Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils ... Processing triggers for gnome-menus ... Processing triggers for man-db ... Setting up gnome-orca (2.30.2-2) ... Processing triggers for python-support ... clear root@mike:~/git/orca# clear root@mike:~/git/orca# orca /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:57: GtkWarning: could not open display warnings.warn(str(e), _gtk.Warning) Traceback (most recent call last): File "", line 1, in File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca/orca.py", line 510, in _settingsManager = SettingsManager() File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca/settings_manager.py", line 116, in __init__ self._createDefaults() File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca/settings_manager.py", line 150, in _createDefaults _createDir(orcaDir) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca/settings_manager.py", line 144, in _createDir os.mkdir(dirName) OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/root/.local/share/orca' root@mike:~/git/orca# rm -rf orca.dcd root@mike:~/git/orca# cd root@mike:~# cd git/ root@mike:~/git# rm -rf orca/ root@mike:~/git# reboot Broadcast message from root@mike (pts/0) (Wed Jan 19 15:30:41 2011): The system is going down for reboot NOW! root@mike:~/git# Linux mike 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Jan 12 03:40:32 UTC 2011 x86_64 The programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are free software; the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright. Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by applicable law. Last login: Wed Jan 19 15:24:17 2011 from owner-pc.westell.com root@mike:~# clear root@mike:~# cd /usr/local/ root@mike:/usr/local# ls bin etc games include lib man sbin share src root@mike:/usr/local# cd /srv/ root@mike:/srv# ls root@mike:/srv# ls -a . .. root@mike:/srv# cd /usr/local/src/ root@mike:/usr/local/src# ls speakup root@mike:/usr/local/src# ls -a . .. speakup root@mike:/usr/local/src# cd root@mike:~# cd /home/mike/ root@mike:/home/mike# ls -a . .bash_logout .dbus .gksu.lock .gstreamer-0.10 .mozilla .pulse-cookie Desktop Pictures .. .bashrc .esd_auth .gnome2 .gtk-bookmarks .nautilus .speech-dispatcher Documents Public .ICEauthority .cache .gconf .gnome2_private .gvfs .profile .xsession-errors Downloads Templates .bash_history .config .gconfd .gnupg .local .pulse .xsession-errors.old Music Videos root@mike:/home/mike# cd .speech-dispatcher/ root@mike:/home/mike/.speech-dispatcher# ls log pid speechd.sock root@mike:/home/mike/.speech-dispatcher# ls -a . .. log pid speechd.sock root@mike:/home/mike/.speech-dispatcher# nano speechd.sock GNU nano 2.2.4 New Buffer [ Error reading speechd.sock: No such device or address ] ^G Get Help ^O WriteOut ^R Read File ^Y Prev Page ^K Cut Text ^C Cur Pos Use "fg" to return to nano.stify ^W Where Is ^V Next Page ^U UnCut Text ^T To Spell [1]+ Stopped nano speechd.sock root@mike:/home/mike/.speech-dispatcher# root@mike:/home/mike/.speech-dispatcher# ls log pid speechd.sock root@mike:/home/mike/.speech-dispatcher# root@mike:/home/mike/.speech-dispatcher# clear root@mike:/home/mike/.speech-dispatcher# cd /usr/ root@mike:/usr# ls bin games include lib lib32 lib64 local sbin share src root@mike:/usr# cd src/ root@mike:/usr/src# ls root@mike:/usr/src# ls -a . .. root@mike:/usr/src# cd /usr/local/ root@mike:/usr/local# ls bin etc games include lib man sbin share src root@mike:/usr/local# ls -a . .. bin etc games include lib man sbin share src root@mike:/usr/local# clear root@mike:/usr/local# apt-get --purge gnome-speech E: Invalid operation gnome-speech root@mike:/usr/local# apt-get --purge remove gnome-speech Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package gnome-speech root@mike:/usr/local# apt-get install gnome-speech Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package gnome-speech root@mike:/usr/local# apt-get --purge --remove gnome-orca E: Invalid operation gnome-orca root@mike:/usr/local# apt-get --purge remove gnome-orca Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: libao-common libdotconf1.0 libao4 libspeechd2 libaudio2 Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. The following packages will be REMOVED: gnome-orca* 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded. After this operation, 8651 kB disk space will be freed. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y (Reading database ... 112618 files and directories currently installed.) Removing gnome-orca ... Processing triggers for python-support ... Processing triggers for man-db ... Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils ... Processing triggers for gnome-menus ... Processing triggers for hicolor-icon-theme ... rroot@mike:/usr/local# boot -bash: boot: command not found root@mike:/usr/local# reboot Broadcast message from root@mike (pts/1) (Wed Jan 19 15:40:02 2011): The system is going down for reboot NOW! root@mike:/usr/local# Linux mike 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Jan 12 03:40:32 UTC 2011 x86_64 The programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are free software; the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright. Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by applicable law. Last login: Wed Jan 19 15:35:12 2011 from owner-pc.westell.com root@mike:~# clear root@mike:~# apt-get install gnome-orca Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: libao-common libdotconf1.0 libao4 libspeechd2 libaudio2 Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. The following NEW packages will be installed: gnome-orca 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 0 B/2197 kB of archives. After this operation, 8651 kB of additional disk space will be used. Selecting previously deselected package gnome-orca. (Reading database ... 112369 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking gnome-orca (from .../gnome-orca_2.30.2-2_all.deb) ... Processing triggers for hicolor-icon-theme ... Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils ... Processing triggers for gnome-menus ... Processing triggers for man-db ... Setting up gnome-orca (2.30.2-2) ... Processing triggers for python-support ... root@mike:~# clear root@mike:~# orca /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:57: GtkWarning: could not open display warnings.warn(str(e), _gtk.Warning) Traceback (most recent call last): File "", line 1, in File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca/orca.py", line 510, in _settingsManager = SettingsManager() File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca/settings_manager.py", line 116, in __init__ self._createDefaults() File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca/settings_manager.py", line 150, in _createDefaults _createDir(orcaDir) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca/settings_manager.py", line 144, in _createDir os.mkdir(dirName) OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/root/.local/share/orca' root@mike:~# ------=_NextPart_000_03F9_01CBB7B5.7C061C90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi = all,

I get this when I try to run = orca in squeeze any ideas?

Selecting = previously deselected package gnome-orca.

(Reading database ... 112369 files and directories = currently installed.)

Unpacking = gnome-orca (from .../gnome-orca_2.30.2-2_all.deb) ...

Processing triggers for hicolor-icon-theme = ...

Processing triggers for = desktop-file-utils ...

Processing = triggers for gnome-menus ...

Processing triggers for man-db ...

Setting up gnome-orca (2.30.2-2) ...

Processing triggers for python-support = ...

clear

root@mike:~/git/orca# clear

 

root@mike:~/git/orca# orca

/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:57= : GtkWarning: could not open display

  warnings.warn(str(e), = _gtk.Warning)

Traceback (most recent = call last):

  File = "<string>", line 1, in <module>

  File = "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca/orca.py", line = 510, in <module>

    _settingsManager =3D = SettingsManager()

  File = "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca/settings_manager.py&quo= t;, line 116, in __init__

    = self._createDefaults()

  File = "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca/settings_manager.py&quo= t;, line 150, in _createDefaults

    = _createDir(orcaDir)

  File = "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca/settings_manager.py&quo= t;, line 144, in _createDir

    os.mkdir(dirName)

OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: = '/root/.local/share/orca'

root@mike:~/git/orca# rm -rf orca.dcd

root@mike:~/git/orca# cd

root@mike:~# cd git/

root@mike:~/git# rm -rf orca/

root@mike:~/git# reboot

 

Broadcast = message from root@mike (pts/0) (Wed Jan 19 15:30:41 = 2011):

 

The system is going down for reboot = NOW!

root@mike:~/git# =

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Linux mike = 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Jan 12 03:40:32 UTC 2011 = x86_64

 

The programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system = are free software;

the exact = distribution terms for each program are described in = the

individual files in = /usr/share/doc/*/copyright.

 

Debian = GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the = extent

permitted by applicable = law.

Last login: Wed Jan 19 15:24:17 = 2011 from owner-pc.westell.com

root@mike:~# clear

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

root@mike:~# = cd /usr/local/

root@mike:/usr/local# = ls

bin  etc  games  = include  lib  man  sbin  share  = src

root@mike:/usr/local# cd = /srv/

root@mike:/srv# = ls

root@mike:/srv# ls = -a

.  ..

root@mike:/srv# cd /usr/local/src/

root@mike:/usr/local/src# ls

speakup

root@mike:/usr/local/src# ls -a

.  ..  speakup

root@mike:/usr/local/src# cd

root@mike:~# cd /home/mike/

root@mike:/home/mike# ls -a

.         =      .bash_logout  = .dbus      = .gksu.lock       .gstreamer-0.10  = .mozilla   = .pulse-cookie         = Desktop    Pictures

..         = ;    .bashrc       = .esd_auth  .gnome2   =        .gtk-bookmarks   = .nautilus  .speech-dispatcher    Documents  = Public

.ICEauthority  = .cache        = .gconf     .gnome2_private  = .gvfs            = .profile   .xsession-errors      = Downloads  Templates

.bash_history  = .config       .gconfd    = .gnupg       =     .local       &= nbsp;   .pulse     = .xsession-errors.old  Music      = Videos

root@mike:/home/mike# cd = .speech-dispatcher/

root@mike:/home/mike/.speech-dispatcher# = ls

log  pid  = speechd.sock

root@mike:/home/mike/.speech-dispatcher# ls = -a

.  ..  log  = pid  speechd.sock

root@mike:/home/mike/.speech-dispatcher# nano = speechd.sock

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  GNU = nano = 2.2.4           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;         New = Buffer           &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

         &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;   [ Error reading speechd.sock: No such device or address = ]

^G Get = Help           ^O = WriteOut           ^R = Read File          ^Y Prev = Page          ^K Cut = Text           ^C Cur = Pos

Use "fg" to return to = nano.stify          &nb= sp; ^W Where = Is           ^V Next = Page          ^U UnCut = Text         ^T To = Spell

 

[1]+  = Stopped           =       nano speechd.sock

root@mike:/home/mike/.speech-dispatcher# =

root@mike:/home/mike/.speech-dispatcher# = ls

log  pid  = speechd.sock

root@mike:/home/mike/.speech-dispatcher# =

root@mike:/home/mike/.speech-dispatcher# = clear

 

root@mike:/home/mike/.speech-dispatcher# cd = /usr/  

root@mike:/usr# = ls

bin  games  = include  lib  lib32  lib64  local  sbin  = share  src

root@mike:/usr# cd = src/

root@mike:/usr/src# = ls

root@mike:/usr/src# ls = -a

.  ..

root@mike:/usr/src# cd /usr/local/

root@mike:/usr/local# ls

bin  etc  games  include  = lib  man  sbin  share  src

root@mike:/usr/local# ls -a

.  ..  bin  etc  games  = include  lib  man  sbin  share  = src

root@mike:/usr/local# = clear

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

root@mike:/usr/local# apt-get --purge = gnome-speech

E: Invalid operation = gnome-speech

root@mike:/usr/local# = apt-get --purge remove gnome-speech

Reading package lists... Done

Building dependency = tree      

Reading state information... Done

E: Unable to locate package = gnome-speech

root@mike:/usr/local# = apt-get install gnome-speech

Reading = package lists... Done

Building = dependency tree      

Reading state information... Done

E: Unable to locate package = gnome-speech

root@mike:/usr/local# = apt-get --purge --remove gnome-orca

E: Invalid operation gnome-orca

root@mike:/usr/local# apt-get --purge remove = gnome-orca

Reading package lists... = Done

Building dependency = tree      

Reading state information... Done

The following packages were automatically installed = and are no longer required:

  = libao-common libdotconf1.0 libao4 libspeechd2 libaudio2

Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove = them.

The following packages will be = REMOVED:

  = gnome-orca*

0 upgraded, 0 newly = installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded.

After this operation, 8651 kB disk space will be = freed.

Do you want to continue [Y/n]? = y

(Reading database ... 112618 files = and directories currently installed.)

Removing gnome-orca ...

Processing triggers for python-support = ...

Processing triggers for man-db = ...

Processing triggers for = desktop-file-utils ...

Processing = triggers for gnome-menus ...

Processing triggers for hicolor-icon-theme = ...

rroot@mike:/usr/local# = boot

-bash: boot: command not = found

root@mike:/usr/local# = reboot

 

Broadcast message from root@mike (pts/1) (Wed Jan 19 = 15:40:02 2011):

 

The system = is going down for reboot NOW!

root@mike:/usr/local#

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Linux mike = 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Jan 12 03:40:32 UTC 2011 = x86_64

 

The programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system = are free software;

the exact = distribution terms for each program are described in = the

individual files in = /usr/share/doc/*/copyright.

 

Debian = GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the = extent

permitted by applicable = law.

Last login: Wed Jan 19 15:35:12 = 2011 from owner-pc.westell.com

root@mike:~# clear

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

root@mike:~# = apt-get install gnome-orca

Reading = package lists... Done

Building = dependency tree      

Reading state information... Done

The following packages were automatically installed = and are no longer required:

  = libao-common libdotconf1.0 libao4 libspeechd2 libaudio2

Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove = them.

The following NEW packages will = be installed:

  = gnome-orca

0 upgraded, 1 newly = installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.

Need to get 0 B/2197 kB of archives.

After this operation, 8651 kB of additional disk space = will be used.

Selecting previously = deselected package gnome-orca.

(Reading database ... 112369 files and directories = currently installed.)

Unpacking = gnome-orca (from .../gnome-orca_2.30.2-2_all.deb) ...

Processing triggers for hicolor-icon-theme = ...

Processing triggers for = desktop-file-utils ...

Processing = triggers for gnome-menus ...

Processing triggers for man-db ...

Setting up gnome-orca (2.30.2-2) ...

Processing triggers for python-support = ...

root@mike:~# = clear

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

root@mike:~# = orca

/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:57= : GtkWarning: could not open display

  warnings.warn(str(e), = _gtk.Warning)

Traceback (most recent = call last):

  File = "<string>", line 1, in <module>

  File = "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca/orca.py", line = 510, in <module>

    _settingsManager =3D = SettingsManager()

  File = "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca/settings_manager.py&quo= t;, line 116, in __init__

    = self._createDefaults()

  File = "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca/settings_manager.py&quo= t;, line 150, in _createDefaults

    = _createDir(orcaDir)

  File = "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca/settings_manager.py&quo= t;, line 144, in _createDir

    os.mkdir(dirName)

OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: = '/root/.local/share/orca'

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------=_NextPart_000_03F9_01CBB7B5.7C061C90-- From joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Thu Jan 20 18:58:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E8197507D7; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 18:58:08 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.59 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.59 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tTQvmFS8vyBV; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 18:58:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B2A97506BE; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 18:57:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwj9 with SMTP id 9so945869qwj.27 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 10:57:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=FyA8Y50+G5Bt9l1WEBQSXFVWpXd8vb1d0qOiQbitLl8=; b=uD9GCXvRfgahZPcoCJkgV1GF3kzzMqDpqza4bkYia7rPtdICUYLWPmuvUzdr2Ckka2 VU3y8f4znwe6W5poth2E0warzwEDlxm6DDjpItQHiUgjb/SxwqwylATZOOHlSCLn6eQX dF0WKMmQqrune4OWg2Cfj+ZWXBiLRC4J8nEPU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=NkfqNh3SU/WHxbcj/T1Orkan/8sgTPEJMcbxN7NYi4pFSh2vo8GBCk8vlUAACyka4J BXcQUuRW9fbnn2kPAqCE6XEXtXGQvxk9h0IJDV9FOPR45ysddhsJISps3IsDAgyIaa+V nt+EMMm5LwxZCm8ISKxOg43GoHCYYvqh0NB+g= Received: by 10.229.229.83 with SMTP id jh19mr1989716qcb.234.1295549864304; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 10:57:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.35.105] (c-98-217-239-60.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [98.217.239.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id nb15sm5899675qcb.38.2011.01.20.10.57.42 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 20 Jan 2011 10:57:43 -0800 (PST) Sender: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <4D3885AF.2070009@gnome.org> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:57:51 -0500 From: Joanmarie Diggs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b10pre) Gecko/20110119 Thunderbird/3.3a3pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-devel-list@gnome.org, orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110120151058.GA26759@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> In-Reply-To: <20110120151058.GA26759@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] [orca-devel] Structural navigation of OOo writer documents. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: joanied@gnome.org List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 18:58:08 -0000 The first thing that will need to be done is to be sure that OOo and LibreOffice are exposing the right information to us. This requires that headings be exposed as role heading; lists be exposes as role list; list items be exposed as list items; etc.; etc. If you want to contribute towards a solution in this area, it would be extremely helpful to have these bugs filed in both the LibreOffice and OOo issue trackers. Please CC me on any bugs you file in these trackers. Also, there is going to be a structural navigation plugin (or two) as part of the new plug system. I plan to ensure it works with those applications and toolkits (including OOo/LibreOffice) *which expose the needed information to us*. --joanie On 01/20/2011 10:10 AM, Steve Holmes wrote: > Part of this navigation is already available in the document navigator > as native support in OOo Writer. However, there is an introduction to > structural navigation in place in Orca to provide table navigation. > Orca+z turns this on and off. I also have some interest in this and > saw bugs for part of this and expressed interest in working on them. > In particular, I would like to see the ability to have Orca > automatically speak when you come across headers and style changes > among other things. > > Maybe we can work together on some of this. I'm still trying to learn > how all this works yet. Learning python but don't have a full grip on > all the ATK stuff and Orca internals. > > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 03:36:03PM +0530, Dattatray Bhat wrote: >> An item in the Orca Roadmap, viz. "Improved access to OpenOffice: July 2011 >> - July 2012" reads - >> add the ability to access Writer documents similar to Gecko documents: >> >> - Structural navigation for moving amongst elements, including form >> controls. >> - "List of" dialogs, e.g. to get a list of all headings (not yet >> implemented for Gecko). >> - Document summary (i.e. of the different elements in the document). >> >> Is somebody already working on this, please? If not, I would like to take up >> the task. >> Regards. > >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-devel-list mailing list >> orca-devel-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-devel-list > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From vilmar@informal.com.br Thu Jan 20 20:19:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC60C7506EE for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 20:19:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7MNR5iHocy-r for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 20:19:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay04.email.alog.com.br (relay04.email.alog.com.br [200.219.210.27]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76D2E750511 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 20:19:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay01.email.alog.com.br (relay01.email.alog.com.br [10.0.3.1]) by relay04.email.alog.com.br (Alog-MTA-Corp) with ESMTP id AF1992EE127 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 18:16:38 -0200 (BRST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (unknown [187.15.203.229]) (Authenticated sender: vilmar@informal.com.br) by relay01.email.alog.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63782400C640 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 18:19:21 -0200 (BRST) Message-ID: <4D3898C8.1040001@informal.com.br> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 18:19:20 -0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?Sm9zw6kgVmlsbWFyIEVzdMOhY2lvIGRlIFNvdXph?= Organization: Informal Informatica User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D385981.30206@pickup.hu> In-Reply-To: <4D385981.30206@pickup.hu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] I see some interesting Orca freezing with I don't possible reproducing always X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: vilmar@informal.com.br List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 20:19:37 -0000 Hi Attila. Yes, I can confirm. Sometimes when I close an application Orca freezes. When I restart orca pressing a short-cut key I hear orca say goodbye. On 01/20/2011 01:49 PM, Hammer Attila wrote: > Hy, > > Perhaps my system wrong (only yesterday I cleanup right the monday > changed script files), I see some interesting Orca freezing after I > closing an application. > This is I think begin happening after monday doed changes, but the > problem I not possible tell an absolute sure reproducation step. > For example, if I some time closing Gedit, Orca is full silencing when > I begin typing a terminal window, only Orca restart help. > > Some time when I jumping next unread message with a different folder, > Orca not spokening the popup question, but not freezing. > Oldest time my machine Orca is some time freezing only if I closing > Firefox 3.6 version, but I think this is a known issue, happened > prewious mail changes in the list this problem related. > Anybody see interesting but not reproducable Orca freezing after > monday doed changes? > > I doed following to prewent this problem: > 1. Remove entire the .local/share/orca/app-settings directory. > 2. Full uninstall Orca and remove the unneed > /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca directory. > My orca-customizations.py file is not using the default script, only > importing orca.speech, orca.braille, orca.input_event, orca.settings, > orca.keybindings, orca.orca files. > All trying not help unfortunately. If not you wrote confirmation, I > doing I think a reinstall, because my Lucid system is little old. > I no, master branch is master branch, some time unstable, but prewious > I not see this type problem. :-):-) > Possible I missing a step with prewent this type problems? > > Attila > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From stormdragon2976@gmail.com Thu Jan 20 20:34:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44A9F75054D for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 20:34:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.146 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.146 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=1.553, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 437tQponp6C6 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 20:34:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79BA27506B2 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 20:34:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk8 with SMTP id 8so326240gxk.27 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 12:34:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references :content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=uUWYNbAvRN1wc8UjDKXTBOvJ7HqZxbotEY+6BFqTPT0=; b=oyUMnpIrG7PVJsjLic55wjPB/FThGTUZRuZ4XJ9OW4RnroPeNIGihitZwg+0wCONKT Na6cS7LCgalWzmrVKDod3XSUEo721WKylSXuK7rJpq2Xz+syxcwWjVCW0GCyJ0/byPDy l1fa2xPjVYSt4S+btBSVWaqT28ZElE4aqdrxw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id :mime-version:x-mailer; b=HbPUsmpes1Xo96OAJUUFaJCsztCZiFa3mOKaSt51wdMc8GCGnu0i1+m/8Uz1E4o6tb 1Z3b8VMzRyN7HrN4DWW2VLpELt5w57AIsYkGu9GpEePfCS5ZT36iaZwhXbDi4EekNPAi bAY4nR4W/0O9oJIBjzxu/rk/TEibkFsiYFU+c= Received: by 10.90.120.20 with SMTP id s20mr3154814agc.132.1295555674395; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 12:34:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([137.118.186.73]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x36sm10395476anx.14.2011.01.20.12.34.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 20 Jan 2011 12:34:32 -0800 (PST) From: Storm Dragon To: Orca-list In-Reply-To: <4D3898C8.1040001@informal.com.br> References: <4D385981.30206@pickup.hu> <4D3898C8.1040001@informal.com.br> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-+n3HoxtvQKXhDNv4zTRe" Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 15:34:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1295555668.2545.1.camel@stormdragon-laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3 Subject: Re: [orca-list] I see some interesting Orca freezing with I don't possible reproducing always X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 20:34:48 -0000 --=-+n3HoxtvQKXhDNv4zTRe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, this mostly happens for me in Evolution. I have been trying for a debug.out but it seems to only happen when I am not in debug mode lol. Storm -- "with a trunk big enough to fit three bodies in" Calabrese Registered Linux user number 508465: http://counter.li.org/ My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: http://www.stormdragon.us/ Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stormdragon2976 On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 18:19 -0200, JosĂŠ Vilmar EstĂĄcio de Souza wrote: > Hi Attila. > Yes, I can confirm. > Sometimes when I close an application Orca freezes. When I restart orca > pressing a short-cut key I hear orca say goodbye. > > On 01/20/2011 01:49 PM, Hammer Attila wrote: > > Hy, > > > > Perhaps my system wrong (only yesterday I cleanup right the monday > > changed script files), I see some interesting Orca freezing after I > > closing an application. > > This is I think begin happening after monday doed changes, but the > > problem I not possible tell an absolute sure reproducation step. > > For example, if I some time closing Gedit, Orca is full silencing when > > I begin typing a terminal window, only Orca restart help. > > > > Some time when I jumping next unread message with a different folder, > > Orca not spokening the popup question, but not freezing. > > Oldest time my machine Orca is some time freezing only if I closing > > Firefox 3.6 version, but I think this is a known issue, happened > > prewious mail changes in the list this problem related. > > Anybody see interesting but not reproducable Orca freezing after > > monday doed changes? > > > > I doed following to prewent this problem: > > 1. Remove entire the .local/share/orca/app-settings directory. > > 2. Full uninstall Orca and remove the unneed > > /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca directory. > > My orca-customizations.py file is not using the default script, only > > importing orca.speech, orca.braille, orca.input_event, orca.settings, > > orca.keybindings, orca.orca files. > > All trying not help unfortunately. If not you wrote confirmation, I > > doing I think a reinstall, because my Lucid system is little old. > > I no, master branch is master branch, some time unstable, but prewious > > I not see this type problem. :-):-) > > Possible I missing a step with prewent this type problems? > > > > Attila > > _______________________________________________ > > orca-list mailing list > > orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > > The manual is at > > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > > Netiquette Guidelines are at > > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp --=-+n3HoxtvQKXhDNv4zTRe Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi,
this mostly happens for me in Evolution. I have been trying for a debug.out but it seems to only happen when I am not in debug mode lol.
Storm
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On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 18:19 -0200, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: 
Hi Attila.
Yes, I can confirm.
Sometimes when I close an application Orca freezes. When I restart orca 
pressing a short-cut key I hear orca say goodbye.

On 01/20/2011 01:49 PM, Hammer Attila wrote:
> Hy,
>
> Perhaps my system wrong (only yesterday I cleanup right the monday 
> changed script files), I see some interesting Orca freezing after I 
> closing an application.
> This is I think begin happening after monday doed changes, but the 
> problem I not possible tell an absolute sure reproducation step.
> For example, if I some time closing Gedit, Orca is full silencing when 
> I begin typing a terminal window, only Orca restart help.
>
> Some time when I jumping next unread message with a different folder, 
> Orca not spokening the popup question, but not freezing.
> Oldest time my machine Orca is some time freezing only if I closing 
> Firefox 3.6 version, but I think this is a known issue, happened 
> prewious mail changes in the list this problem related.
> Anybody see interesting but not reproducable Orca freezing after 
> monday doed changes?
>
> I doed following to prewent this problem:
> 1. Remove entire the .local/share/orca/app-settings directory.
> 2. Full uninstall Orca and remove the unneed 
> /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca directory.
> My orca-customizations.py file is not using the default script, only 
> importing orca.speech, orca.braille, orca.input_event, orca.settings, 
> orca.keybindings, orca.orca files.
> All trying not help unfortunately. If not you wrote confirmation, I 
> doing I think a reinstall, because my Lucid system is little old.
> I no, master branch is master branch, some time unstable, but prewious 
> I not see this type problem. :-):-)
> Possible I missing a step with prewent this type problems?
>
> Attila
> _______________________________________________
> orca-list mailing list
> orca-list@gnome.org
> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> The manual is at 
> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> Netiquette Guidelines are at 
> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>
_______________________________________________
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Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
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--=-+n3HoxtvQKXhDNv4zTRe-- From pamelasabwami@gmail.com Thu Jan 20 20:35:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 334A77506E2 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 20:35:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.612 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.612 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GD=0.077, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V1QDtlvciGRa for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 20:35:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35C8F750F20 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 20:34:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwj9 with SMTP id 9so1045269qwj.27 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 12:34:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:reply-to:to:subject:date:message-id :x-mailer:mime-version:content-language:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=PWBOFj4HGg9IUOHOmy7Yuk+RgQP3qwt31bF6Na8/b+I=; b=Q096iIOm1HXP0Jo+jfc9aUYCgpCgM1/9op72/aShFfa/SRNZFo3RAhSiK//bnaUoOJ Ar4Yljj0zLfxIzSQg7d6Z3pkw9YM5reXKA5V0AQJ3PodusIHrL9SNz9Z96Vdh2xTY2Ly boUyRJ56dDTGwYE8W4QadWW5tghJZZgI8jeTI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:reply-to:to:subject:date:message-id:x-mailer:mime-version :content-language:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=I77T3YR1phqtI4TPUNie6UyQGxZSASWUVbJXEX27tOfW2cwrKvnUt+1e9KXc+Dth2h KBzmPJ9kZVlHXCSwSC8Ul91NE5/fPqPz4JEnJYRFx/9sZHB6xZK+HSjMnyGsSh9eOzsC DAVJHXXhF6gIOnUrsyw8E7/XKtHavc9FWXII8= Received: by 10.229.43.74 with SMTP id v10mr2063892qce.293.1295555695125; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 12:34:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from [197.176.165.5] ([197.176.165.5]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e29sm5967542qck.39.2011.01.20.12.34.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 20 Jan 2011 12:34:54 -0800 (PST) From: pamelasabwami@gmail.com To: orca-list@gnome.org Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 23:35:04 +0300 Message-ID: X-Mailer: EPOC Email Version 2.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: i-default Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [orca-list] Help. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: pamelasabwami@iiseconnext.org List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 20:35:18 -0000 Hello dear friends at our valuable orca mailing list, Thanks a lot for your timely and never ending updates in the frequent = digests from you. I kindly request to now be exempted from receiving any of = your digests for now. I need some time to read for my academics, which are = now not allowing me to read your updates. Thanks and regards, Pamela Sabwami.=20 -original message- Subject: orca-list Digest, Vol 60, Issue 37 From: orca-list-request@gnome.org Date: 20/01/2011 7:59 pm Send orca-list mailing list submissions to orca-list@gnome.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to orca-list-request@gnome.org You can reach the person managing the list at orca-list-owner@gnome.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of orca-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Structural HTML navigation by lists (Geoff Shang) 2. Re: Open Office Writer Still Crashes! (Tom Masterson) 3. Re: [orca-devel] Structural navigation of OOo writer documents. (Steve Holmes) 4. I see some interesting Orca freezing with I don't possible reproducing always (Hammer Attila) 5. Re: Gdm 3 and Orca configuration (Michael Whapples) 6. GDM issue with orca (Michael Whapples) 7. i get this when i try to run orca in squeeze (mike cutie and maia) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 15:15:52 +0200 (IST) From: Geoff Shang To: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=3Dflowed; charset=3DUS-ASCII Hi, I'm very new to Orca, so will keep my comments to a minimum. But you may = want to look at what's been done in NVDA. You only have one dialog box = there and select the type of element to look at. You can also enter in a = search string to narrow down the list. Geoff. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 06:56:28 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Masterson To: Steve Holmes Cc: Orca E-mail List Subject: Re: [orca-list] Open Office Writer Still Crashes! Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=3DUS-ASCII; format=3Dflowed I think I put a bug in about this sometime ago but I can't find a record = of it in my email so... Tom On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, Steve Holmes wrote: > OK, I thought I was out of the woods when it would come to OO = Writer > and the on-going crashes with list items. Well, I just went into = two > documents - one being a Word doc file and the other a native OOo > document. In both of them I crashed Writer *every* time I scrolled > down past the list items. I can't remember if there is a bug set = up > for this already or not but I do have a file I would gladly attach = to > sed bug. > > I am using the latest Dev of OOo version 3.4 on ArchLinux 32 bit. > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at = http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at = http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:10:58 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: orca-devel-list@gnome.org, orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] [orca-devel] Structural navigation of OOo writer documents. Message-ID: <20110120151058.GA26759@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Part of this navigation is already available in the document = navigator as native support in OOo Writer. However, there is an introduction to structural navigation in place in Orca to provide table navigation. Orca+z turns this on and off. I also have some interest in this and saw bugs for part of this and expressed interest in working on them. In particular, I would like to see the ability to have Orca automatically speak when you come across headers and style changes among other things. Maybe we can work together on some of this. I'm still trying to = learn how all this works yet. Learning python but don't have a full grip = on all the ATK stuff and Orca internals. On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 03:36:03PM +0530, Dattatray Bhat wrote: > An item in the Orca Roadmap, viz. "Improved access to OpenOffice: July = 2011 > - July 2012" reads - > add the ability to access Writer documents similar to Gecko = documents: >=20 > - Structural navigation for moving amongst elements, including = form > controls. > - "List of" dialogs, e.g. to get a list of all headings (not yet > implemented for Gecko). > - Document summary (i.e. of the different elements in the = document). >=20 > Is somebody already working on this, please? If not, I would like to take = up > the task. > Regards. > _______________________________________________ > orca-devel-list mailing list > orca-devel-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-devel-list ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 16:49:21 +0100 From: Hammer Attila To: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: [orca-list] I see some interesting Orca freezing with I = don't possible reproducing always Message-ID: <4D385981.30206@pickup.hu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-2; format=3Dflowed Hy, Perhaps my system wrong (only yesterday I cleanup right the monday=20 changed script files), I see some interesting Orca freezing after I = closing an application. This is I think begin happening after monday doed changes, but the=20 problem I not possible tell an absolute sure reproducation step. For example, if I some time closing Gedit, Orca is full silencing when I = begin typing a terminal window, only Orca restart help. Some time when I jumping next unread message with a different folder, = Orca not spokening the popup question, but not freezing. Oldest time my machine Orca is some time freezing only if I closing = Firefox 3.6 version, but I think this is a known issue, happened=20 prewious mail changes in the list this problem related. Anybody see interesting but not reproducable Orca freezing after monday = doed changes? I doed following to prewent this problem: 1. Remove entire the .local/share/orca/app-settings directory. 2. Full uninstall Orca and remove the unneed=20 /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca directory. My orca-customizations.py file is not using the default script, only = importing orca.speech, orca.braille, orca.input_event, orca.settings, = orca.keybindings, orca.orca files. All trying not help unfortunately. If not you wrote confirmation, I = doing I think a reinstall, because my Lucid system is little old. I no, master branch is master branch, some time unstable, but prewious I = not see this type problem. :-):-) Possible I missing a step with prewent this type problems? Attila ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 15:54:46 +0000 From: Michael Whapples To: Jason White Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Gdm 3 and Orca configuration Message-ID: <4D385AC6.4040502@aim.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1; format=3Dflowed The information is there on the orca wiki page I gave the link for, the = archlinux instructions are still relevant for gdm 2.30.x. As I said the = naming gdm3 is a debian construct, nobody else as far as I know refers = to gdm 2.30.x and above as gdm3. I think as part of this packaging=20 debian has done (probably just to add to confusion) customisation of = some of the locations and such like, replacing gdm with gdm3. What I am = getting at is, where the archlinux instructions refer to the gdm user it = might be the gdm3 user in debian. I will admit the instructions for ubuntu and the quick instructions near = the top of the page do seem to refer to an older version of gdm and so = are probably irrelevant. Michael Whapples On -10/01/37 20:59, Jason White wrote: > Michael Whapples wrote: >> As my memory goes gdm3 is a debian package name and doesn't = actually >> represent gdm 3.x, I don't think there has actually been a gdm 3.x >> release yet. > Mine is 2.30.5, but the configuration files are completely different = from > those of GDM 2. > > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 16:45:20 +0000 From: Michael Whapples To: "orca-list@gnome.org" Subject: [orca-list] GDM issue with orca Message-ID: <4D3866A0.8060006@aim.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1; format=3Dflowed Hello, There was a recent upgrade in archlinux for gdm and it includes a patch = which resolves the issue mentioned by Attila, in not being able to just = press enter at the gdm screen (see=20 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D629310). Now unfortunately this version of gdm in archlinux has issues with orca. = The problem is that when gdm appears and orca has loaded the list for = choosing a user does not speak or Braille anything. If I press tab, or = possibly if I were to do something which takes focus away from the=20 chooser and then return back to the chooser, then orca will speak and = Braille the selection fine. I have done a debug on this and it appears that orca is getting no=20 events while this happens, only the keypresses appear for that part of = the debug output. Can anyone else reproduce this issue? Now obviously the list itself is accessible as when I move focus to it = explicitly orca speaks fine. Now I get a few thoughts on different=20 approaches to solve this, advice would be welcome: 1. Should I add to the bug report for bug 629310 saying that patch isn't = making the chooser accessible to orca when it is giving focus to the = list item? 2. Should we try and do some sort of work around in orca? I feel=20 probably not. If others feel this is the best way to go, what is the = best way to find out about what accessible elements are available at the = gdm screen (I mean what can I run in such a restricted environment, I = imagine accerciser won't work here). 3. Should I file a separate bug against GDM for this? Personally I feel the choice is between options 1 and 3. The question I = feel I need the answer to for deciding that is: Is this issue caused by = that patch and how it solves 629310 or is it a more generic issue to = gdm. Michael Whapples ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 08:47:18 -0600 From: "mike cutie and maia" To: Subject: [orca-list] i get this when i try to run orca in squeeze Message-ID: <03f801cbb7e7$c6a08c90$53e1a5b0$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Hi all, I get this when I try to run orca in squeeze any ideas? Selecting previously deselected package gnome-orca. (Reading database ... 112369 files and directories currently = installed.) Unpacking gnome-orca (from .../gnome-orca_2.30.2-2_all.deb) ... Processing triggers for hicolor-icon-theme ... Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils ... Processing triggers for gnome-menus ... Processing triggers for man-db ... Setting up gnome-orca (2.30.2-2) ... Processing triggers for python-support ... clear root@mike:~/git/orca# clear =20 root@mike:~/git/orca# orca /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:57: GtkWarning: = could not open display warnings.warn(str(e), _gtk.Warning) Traceback (most recent call last): File "", line 1, in File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca/orca.py", line 510, = in _settingsManager =3D SettingsManager() File = "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca/settings_manager.py", line 116, in __init__ self._createDefaults() File = "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca/settings_manager.py", line 150, in _createDefaults _createDir(orcaDir) File = "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca/settings_manager.py", line 144, in _createDir os.mkdir(dirName) OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: = '/root/.local/share/orca' root@mike:~/git/orca# rm -rf orca.dcd root@mike:~/git/orca# cd root@mike:~# cd git/ root@mike:~/git# rm -rf orca/ root@mike:~/git# reboot =20 Broadcast message from root@mike (pts/0) (Wed Jan 19 15:30:41 2011): =20 The system is going down for reboot NOW! root@mike:~/git#=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Linux mike 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Jan 12 03:40:32 UTC 2011 x86_64 =20 The programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are free = software; the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright. =20 Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by applicable law. Last login: Wed Jan 19 15:24:17 2011 from owner-pc.westell.com root@mike:~# clear =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 root@mike:~# cd /usr/local/ root@mike:/usr/local# ls bin etc games include lib man sbin share src root@mike:/usr/local# cd /srv/ root@mike:/srv# ls root@mike:/srv# ls -a . .. root@mike:/srv# cd /usr/local/src/ root@mike:/usr/local/src# ls speakup root@mike:/usr/local/src# ls -a . .. speakup root@mike:/usr/local/src# cd root@mike:~# cd /home/mike/ root@mike:/home/mike# ls -a . .bash_logout .dbus .gksu.lock = .gstreamer-0.10 .mozilla .pulse-cookie Desktop Pictures .. .bashrc .esd_auth .gnome2 = .gtk-bookmarks .nautilus .speech-dispatcher Documents Public .ICEauthority .cache .gconf .gnome2_private .gvfs .profile .xsession-errors Downloads Templates .bash_history .config .gconfd .gnupg .local .pulse .xsession-errors.old Music Videos root@mike:/home/mike# cd .speech-dispatcher/ root@mike:/home/mike/.speech-dispatcher# ls log pid speechd.sock root@mike:/home/mike/.speech-dispatcher# ls -a . .. log pid speechd.sock root@mike:/home/mike/.speech-dispatcher# nano speechd.sock=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 GNU nano 2.2.4 New Buffer =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 [ Error reading speechd.sock: No = such device or address ] ^G Get Help ^O WriteOut ^R Read File ^Y = Prev Page ^K Cut Text ^C Cur Pos Use "fg" to return to nano.stify ^W Where Is ^V = Next Page ^U UnCut Text ^T To Spell =20 [1]+ Stopped nano speechd.sock root@mike:/home/mike/.speech-dispatcher#=20 root@mike:/home/mike/.speech-dispatcher# ls log pid speechd.sock root@mike:/home/mike/.speech-dispatcher#=20 root@mike:/home/mike/.speech-dispatcher# clear =20 root@mike:/home/mike/.speech-dispatcher# cd /usr/ =20 root@mike:/usr# ls bin games include lib lib32 lib64 local sbin share src root@mike:/usr# cd src/ root@mike:/usr/src# ls root@mike:/usr/src# ls -a . .. root@mike:/usr/src# cd /usr/local/ root@mike:/usr/local# ls bin etc games include lib man sbin share src root@mike:/usr/local# ls -a . .. bin etc games include lib man sbin share src root@mike:/usr/local# clear =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 root@mike:/usr/local# apt-get --purge gnome-speech E: Invalid operation gnome-speech root@mike:/usr/local# apt-get --purge remove gnome-speech Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree =20 Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package gnome-speech root@mike:/usr/local# apt-get install gnome-speech Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree =20 Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package gnome-speech root@mike:/usr/local# apt-get --purge --remove gnome-orca E: Invalid operation gnome-orca root@mike:/usr/local# apt-get --purge remove gnome-orca Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree =20 Reading state information... Done The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: libao-common libdotconf1.0 libao4 libspeechd2 libaudio2 Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. The following packages will be REMOVED: gnome-orca* 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded. After this operation, 8651 kB disk space will be freed. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y (Reading database ... 112618 files and directories currently = installed.) Removing gnome-orca ... Processing triggers for python-support ... Processing triggers for man-db ... Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils ... Processing triggers for gnome-menus ... Processing triggers for hicolor-icon-theme ... rroot@mike:/usr/local# boot -bash: boot: command not found root@mike:/usr/local# reboot =20 Broadcast message from root@mike (pts/1) (Wed Jan 19 15:40:02 2011): =20 The system is going down for reboot NOW! root@mike:/usr/local#=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Linux mike 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Jan 12 03:40:32 UTC 2011 x86_64 =20 The programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are free = software; the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright. =20 Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by applicable law. Last login: Wed Jan 19 15:35:12 2011 from owner-pc.westell.com root@mike:~# clear =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 root@mike:~# apt-get install gnome-orca Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree =20 Reading state information... Done The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: libao-common libdotconf1.0 libao4 libspeechd2 libaudio2 Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. The following NEW packages will be installed: gnome-orca 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 0 B/2197 kB of archives. After this operation, 8651 kB of additional disk space will be used. Selecting previously deselected package gnome-orca. (Reading database ... 112369 files and directories currently = installed.) Unpacking gnome-orca (from .../gnome-orca_2.30.2-2_all.deb) ... Processing triggers for hicolor-icon-theme ... Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils ... Processing triggers for gnome-menus ... Processing triggers for man-db ... Setting up gnome-orca (2.30.2-2) ... Processing triggers for python-support ... root@mike:~# clear =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 root@mike:~# orca /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:57: GtkWarning: = could not open display warnings.warn(str(e), _gtk.Warning) Traceback (most recent call last): File "", line 1, in File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca/orca.py", line 510, = in _settingsManager =3D SettingsManager() File = "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca/settings_manager.py", line 116, in __init__ self._createDefaults() File = "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca/settings_manager.py", line 150, in _createDefaults _createDir(orcaDir) File = "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca/settings_manager.py", line 144, in _createDir os.mkdir(dirName) OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: = '/root/.local/share/orca' root@mike:~#=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: = ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list End of orca-list Digest, Vol 60, Issue 37 ***************************************** From jason@jasonjgw.net Thu Jan 20 23:12:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83B8E7506FC for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 23:12:00 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.923 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.923 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, TW_GD=0.077] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1IOyWSGLwOU6 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 23:11:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from speakup.octothorp.org (speakup.octothorp.org [174.136.97.10]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FD767500F2 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 23:11:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jdc.jasonjgw.net ([IPv6:2001:44b8:702a:4770::2]) by speakup.octothorp.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p0KNBkBx000986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 23:11:48 GMT Received: by jdc.jasonjgw.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1AEC11806213A; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 10:11:32 +1100 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=jasonjgw.net; s=mail; t=1295565092; bh=xZe42b+inpM8iIdhFgPf2z+S76M6qZl4xBGnG/PKnp0=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:In-Reply-To; b=kaj1J/t3VIYIWxX6f1n9TdiNt0ER9T6h36O93fpZGEay/WlIEZjqxuE7bmE9irb41 QtBTFuvpElDL58eBjUQsNl8hGojHP4+PX9gAOOby4/+8HHCb/NuNuHE2L7xvguHFvB 71RSAK2H0aO0mx512CS1I+E3Eum26oGpbCEz0uJE= Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 10:11:32 +1100 From: Jason White To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110120231132.GA6929@jdc.jasonjgw.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110119002107.GA11907@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <4D37401F.8090508@aim.com> <20110119234742.GB7022@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <4D37FCD0.1080305@aim.com> <20110120092532.GB15889@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <4D385AC6.4040502@aim.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D385AC6.4040502@aim.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Gdm 3 and Orca configuration X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 23:12:00 -0000 Michael Whapples wrote: > The information is there on the orca wiki page I gave the link for, > the archlinux instructions are still relevant for gdm 2.30.x. As I > said the naming gdm3 is a debian construct, nobody else as far as I > know refers to gdm 2.30.x and above as gdm3. No, this is not correct. Gdm3 is indeed a completely new version of GDM. I have received information off-list regarding how to configure it for accessibility but there are still issues to be sorted out. I just wanted to correct the confusion about the name and the version number. When I have correct information regarding the Orca configuration, I'll post it here. From steve.holmes88@gmail.com Fri Jan 21 02:19:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 900A1750488 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 02:19:15 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.06 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.06 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=1.553, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GD=0.077, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8ZS3FPK-gFNB for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 02:19:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 993117507FD for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 02:19:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywp6 with SMTP id 6so401656ywp.27 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 18:19:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=RUFaIe7T+3N0BP/MvFFo6XMeBdkkOWmXbUoJekFKogk=; b=kMiuvEMt+xd0G4a/vZeNo+Q86emVKh7eiTqKEm/MVDBqEuTitOPXxn0kYX0rjIt1BG Tgke9vUyxM+t7AXg2xft2UUwUfok9hxSs3zo7uUCxq+y2khRo3X+X4ieO1k+6IepjCIN lAsQ1cRh0TarTOLMLzFVUFsOJsC0OI7d8eXsQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=eaWb06DKXnrn/C+P5o0WUX34ECBuATNvvQ2khzFepErWyiTspnDb5czcYL2JqwG++I WzHG7JO80BErWlvxptnCLAkzJR0hcq6gummV08RgSnRAzCU3tVQ0YqFWhyaLgrdvNdCN fpvtsOMTzaUVB4eHKSFPR4HAIUbyaFzGrChWc= Received: by 10.150.50.20 with SMTP id x20mr63545ybx.203.1295576343835; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 18:19:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (ip72-208-185-148.ph.ph.cox.net [72.208.185.148]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p32sm5701368ybk.20.2011.01.20.18.19.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 20 Jan 2011 18:19:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D38ED13.50308@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 19:18:59 -0700 From: Steve Holmes User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101230 Lanikai/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D3866A0.8060006@aim.com> In-Reply-To: <4D3866A0.8060006@aim.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] GDM issue with orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 02:19:15 -0000 I would probably lean toward option #1 if I recall the items correctly. I haven't messed with Orca and gdm for a while now since the Orca settings won't stick for gdm users. I mean the speech and key echo settings I don't think that was fixed yet. On 01/20/2011 09:45 AM, Michael Whapples wrote: > Hello, > There was a recent upgrade in archlinux for gdm and it includes a > patch which resolves the issue mentioned by Attila, in not being able > to just press enter at the gdm screen (see > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=629310). > > Now unfortunately this version of gdm in archlinux has issues with > orca. The problem is that when gdm appears and orca has loaded the > list for choosing a user does not speak or Braille anything. If I > press tab, or possibly if I were to do something which takes focus > away from the chooser and then return back to the chooser, then orca > will speak and Braille the selection fine. > > I have done a debug on this and it appears that orca is getting no > events while this happens, only the keypresses appear for that part of > the debug output. > > Can anyone else reproduce this issue? > > Now obviously the list itself is accessible as when I move focus to it > explicitly orca speaks fine. Now I get a few thoughts on different > approaches to solve this, advice would be welcome: > 1. Should I add to the bug report for bug 629310 saying that patch > isn't making the chooser accessible to orca when it is giving focus to > the list item? > 2. Should we try and do some sort of work around in orca? I feel > probably not. If others feel this is the best way to go, what is the > best way to find out about what accessible elements are available at > the gdm screen (I mean what can I run in such a restricted > environment, I imagine accerciser won't work here). > 3. Should I file a separate bug against GDM for this? > > Personally I feel the choice is between options 1 and 3. The question > I feel I need the answer to for deciding that is: Is this issue caused > by that patch and how it solves 629310 or is it a more generic issue > to gdm. > > Michael Whapples > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From steve.holmes88@gmail.com Fri Jan 21 02:32:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB10A75081E for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 02:32:26 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.136 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.136 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=1.553, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G1H2jeBDaqbZ for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 02:32:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C8A07507FD for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 02:32:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwj9 with SMTP id 9so1325010qwj.27 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 18:32:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type; bh=0GrMZYy3AvhXyk0V+FW+GcKcJbMKBlsJcVBUJ4Xg/Rk=; b=sNCEkJcNoDGjJ5hXiuSqKPk4ng9vS6sZg4GvZbrAAv9awDjQJVUHj/eDg5w3HLc2ft K42/7GodvszAogwTueDAEmhnHuWYx/DodNwlJkf1iDhxkN4g55UXHRnhK0gcCoZ3FQvZ mkcfgqVCzg/rZndP86xN+6ZyGz6h0ctkBeen4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type; b=uMzEsG9X5URIr6LNAsMKiYnuXb4hI9J33K3m93a0jXAQUXWqX9bSHIj0o5G5ZiEOL7 lHKjv+qFm4VcWRfMspRk7rkGp/dQMjRaT2ZQmyWnPZmhU6NaYqztinyanIKXZ8ZxFgfc YR3a4wRgmEEuHLtXvNtoSw0hOMcxeFjHZF3HQ= Received: by 10.229.232.85 with SMTP id jt21mr64971qcb.164.1295577131058; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 18:32:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (ip72-208-185-148.ph.ph.cox.net [72.208.185.148]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g32sm6214070qck.34.2011.01.20.18.32.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 20 Jan 2011 18:32:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D38F027.3070507@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 19:32:07 -0700 From: Steve Holmes User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101230 Lanikai/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D385981.30206@pickup.hu> <4D3898C8.1040001@informal.com.br> <1295555668.2545.1.camel@stormdragon-laptop> In-Reply-To: <1295555668.2545.1.camel@stormdragon-laptop> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030903070306020406010203" Subject: Re: [orca-list] I see some interesting Orca freezing with I don't possible reproducing always X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 02:32:27 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030903070306020406010203 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have a similar problem that happens when closing OOo applications like Calc and Writer. It usually closes fine when I have debug on but is more likely to occur when debug level is Off or Severe. I haven't seen this for a while now on my desktop but I had it happen on my laptop over the weekend and that is a brand new install of Gnome, Orca, and Open Office 3.4 dev on my 64 bit box. I should clarify though that when I lose speech and just hit enter, Orca comes back and I get dumped into the dialog one gets when you choose Open Office from the start menu. Orca never aborts on me except for losing speech when I exit the OOo application. On 01/20/2011 01:34 PM, Storm Dragon wrote: > Hi, > this mostly happens for me in Evolution. I have been trying for a > debug.out but it seems to only happen when I am not in debug mode lol. > Storm > -- > "with a trunk big enough to fit three bodies in" > Calabrese > Registered Linux user number 508465: > http://counter.li.org/ > My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: > http://www.stormdragon.us/ > Follow me on Twitter: > http://www.twitter.com/stormdragon2976 > > > On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 18:19 -0200, JosÊ Vilmar Eståcio de Souza wrote: >> Hi Attila. >> Yes, I can confirm. >> Sometimes when I close an application Orca freezes. When I restart orca >> pressing a short-cut key I hear orca say goodbye. >> >> On 01/20/2011 01:49 PM, Hammer Attila wrote: >> > Hy, >> > >> > Perhaps my system wrong (only yesterday I cleanup right the monday >> > changed script files), I see some interesting Orca freezing after I >> > closing an application. >> > This is I think begin happening after monday doed changes, but the >> > problem I not possible tell an absolute sure reproducation step. >> > For example, if I some time closing Gedit, Orca is full silencing when >> > I begin typing a terminal window, only Orca restart help. >> > >> > Some time when I jumping next unread message with a different folder, >> > Orca not spokening the popup question, but not freezing. >> > Oldest time my machine Orca is some time freezing only if I closing >> > Firefox 3.6 version, but I think this is a known issue, happened >> > prewious mail changes in the list this problem related. >> > Anybody see interesting but not reproducable Orca freezing after >> > monday doed changes? >> > >> > I doed following to prewent this problem: >> > 1. Remove entire the .local/share/orca/app-settings directory. >> > 2. Full uninstall Orca and remove the unneed >> > /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca directory. >> > My orca-customizations.py file is not using the default script, only >> > importing orca.speech, orca.braille, orca.input_event, orca.settings, >> > orca.keybindings, orca.orca files. >> > All trying not help unfortunately. If not you wrote confirmation, I >> > doing I think a reinstall, because my Lucid system is little old. >> > I no, master branch is master branch, some time unstable, but prewious >> > I not see this type problem. :-):-) >> > Possible I missing a step with prewent this type problems? >> > >> > Attila >> > _______________________________________________ >> > orca-list mailing list >> > orca-list@gnome.org >> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> > Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> > The manual is at >> > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> > The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> > Netiquette Guidelines are at >> > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> > Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >> > Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp --------------030903070306020406010203 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have a similar problem that happens when closing OOo applications like Calc and Writer.  It usually closes fine when I have debug on but is more likely to occur when debug level is Off or Severe.  I haven't seen this for a while now on my desktop but I had it happen on my laptop over the weekend and that is a brand new install of Gnome, Orca, and Open Office 3.4 dev on my 64 bit box.

I should clarify though that when I lose speech and just hit enter, Orca comes back and I get dumped into the dialog one gets when you choose Open Office from the start menu.  Orca never aborts on me except for losing speech when I exit the OOo application.

On 01/20/2011 01:34 PM, Storm Dragon wrote:
Hi,
this mostly happens for me in Evolution. I have been trying for a debug.out but it seems to only happen when I am not in debug mode lol.
Storm
-- 
"with a trunk big enough to fit three bodies in"
Calabrese
Registered Linux user number 508465:
http://counter.li.org/
My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon:
http://www.stormdragon.us/
Follow me on Twitter:
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On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 18:19 -0200, JosĂŠ Vilmar EstĂĄcio de Souza wrote: 
Hi Attila.
Yes, I can confirm.
Sometimes when I close an application Orca freezes. When I restart orca 
pressing a short-cut key I hear orca say goodbye.

On 01/20/2011 01:49 PM, Hammer Attila wrote:
> Hy,
>
> Perhaps my system wrong (only yesterday I cleanup right the monday 
> changed script files), I see some interesting Orca freezing after I 
> closing an application.
> This is I think begin happening after monday doed changes, but the 
> problem I not possible tell an absolute sure reproducation step.
> For example, if I some time closing Gedit, Orca is full silencing when 
> I begin typing a terminal window, only Orca restart help.
>
> Some time when I jumping next unread message with a different folder, 
> Orca not spokening the popup question, but not freezing.
> Oldest time my machine Orca is some time freezing only if I closing 
> Firefox 3.6 version, but I think this is a known issue, happened 
> prewious mail changes in the list this problem related.
> Anybody see interesting but not reproducable Orca freezing after 
> monday doed changes?
>
> I doed following to prewent this problem:
> 1. Remove entire the .local/share/orca/app-settings directory.
> 2. Full uninstall Orca and remove the unneed 
> /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca directory.
> My orca-customizations.py file is not using the default script, only 
> importing orca.speech, orca.braille, orca.input_event, orca.settings, 
> orca.keybindings, orca.orca files.
> All trying not help unfortunately. If not you wrote confirmation, I 
> doing I think a reinstall, because my Lucid system is little old.
> I no, master branch is master branch, some time unstable, but prewious 
> I not see this type problem. :-):-)
> Possible I missing a step with prewent this type problems?
>
> Attila
> _______________________________________________
> orca-list mailing list
> orca-list@gnome.org
> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> The manual is at 
> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> Netiquette Guidelines are at 
> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>
_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list@gnome.org
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp


_______________________________________________
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--------------030903070306020406010203-- From jason@jasonjgw.net Fri Jan 21 02:41:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5AE9750650 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 02:41:19 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.017 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.017 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.001, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.982] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dF3azRdEruxM for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 02:41:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 12572 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 02:41:17 UTC Received: from jdc.jasonjgw.net (ppp203-122-198-41.lns6.adl6.internode.on.net [203.122.198.41]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 134D5750488 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 02:41:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by jdc.jasonjgw.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id EF1C81806213A; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:41:05 +1100 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=jasonjgw.net; s=mail; t=1295577665; bh=nLtZzhRm4OFdczlkaPZo+oBVtjj4ZskmE/BxHnicV2I=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:In-Reply-To; b=qzfmuDiQ/wcunZz+kT8GrJvrW9Im5SwQC8q7ticjOf2b/goBCjx5Aad3LroxZA/w4 1L7dXqZP3Pig663NAtMpZgu1pf3HST1z+CdHFcPgoNBtuylx2HPWKouLfjN50aChas Ud2085d7I8clA7iO50OxVGhNB/DmZdzv+pwIByAI= Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:41:05 +1100 From: Jason White To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110121024105.GA9376@jdc.jasonjgw.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D385981.30206@pickup.hu> <4D3898C8.1040001@informal.com.br> <1295555668.2545.1.camel@stormdragon-laptop> <4D38F027.3070507@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D38F027.3070507@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] I see some interesting Orca freezing with I don't possible reproducing always X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 02:41:20 -0000 Steve Holmes wrote: > I have a similar problem that happens when closing OOo applications > like Calc and Writer. It usually closes fine when I have debug on > but is more likely to occur when debug level is Off or Severe. I > haven't seen this for a while now on my desktop but I had it happen > on my laptop over the weekend and that is a brand new install of > Gnome, Orca, and Open Office 3.4 dev on my 64 bit box. Do you have reason to think that the crashes are Orca-related? If you're running a development version of OO.O, then crashes shouldn't be surprising - it might not be connected with Orca n any way. The only way to find out that I am aware of is to install debug symbols for OO.O and obtain a core file, then use gdb to get a backtrace from the core file. >From memory: ulimit -c unlimited will enable core dumps; then start OO.O in the same terminal from which you issued this command. I don't know whether your Linux distribution gives you the debug symbols, without which you won't easily be able to extract reliable information for the OO.O people. From joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Fri Jan 21 02:54:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 496FC75081F for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 02:54:00 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id se2f09rbEiZH for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 02:53:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qy0-f175.google.com (mail-qy0-f175.google.com [209.85.216.175]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 249117507FD for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 02:53:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk8 with SMTP id 8so33945qyk.6 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 18:53:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent :mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=oQTLzxbB1mN4yzhEWSJHbGKLf/gt6P/vF183B1eG9+A=; b=X7nnG/UzZcSo8WUV05LfJY/1NefX6GGqsoX9KlxpsQTnHIOo4aqLCPmLtAJFg40VX4 AW164GnRe7ncRSSwSdAsCWQDvhBDV7HBECdf6yVIMKgO+D0AyxbnSFLrZ320idWGIWS6 nZEwBmCMdaEc1sx7FrgfibcZgNdBJWWR5b21k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=S3BeOu+rfLHdnLfqWOg/owSqteHmf/VyvYzMlpuvYmagcy0rpO4dHW8/FAhDsIXKi2 FQH+38qD6MsC8hE8t7iz4tG2sfowhmbTFATUVMPTIbgqugNMTzNgGPmZjpU4YJ+3KK2u Ywnsf4DI5EVY1QXsFkmlB7jeexA5FSk41Z5Ok= Received: by 10.224.74.82 with SMTP id t18mr110622qaj.105.1295578427311; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 18:53:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.35.105] (c-98-217-239-60.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [98.217.239.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e29sm6228530qck.15.2011.01.20.18.53.46 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 20 Jan 2011 18:53:46 -0800 (PST) Sender: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <4D38F539.50206@gnome.org> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 21:53:45 -0500 From: Joanmarie Diggs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b10pre) Gecko/20110120 Thunderbird/3.3a3pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Storm Dragon References: <4D385981.30206@pickup.hu> <4D3898C8.1040001@informal.com.br> <1295555668.2545.1.camel@stormdragon-laptop> In-Reply-To: <1295555668.2545.1.camel@stormdragon-laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Orca-list Subject: Re: [orca-list] I see some interesting Orca freezing with I don't possible reproducing always X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: joanied@gnome.org List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 02:54:00 -0000 Hey guys. On 01/20/2011 03:34 PM, Storm Dragon wrote: > Hi, > this mostly happens for me in Evolution. I have been trying for a > debug.out but it seems to only happen when I am not in debug mode lol. That's how it always is. For this reason I am *always* in full debug mode. Let's me sneak up the bugs. All joking aside, I tried and tried to reproduce it, and actually could reproduce it, but only once: I quit Accerciser and nothing had focus (even though there were other windows open and not minimized). I don't know if that's key or not. I will keep trying. It would be good if y'all could as well. Note to Steve, whose message I just saw: This isn't related to your OOo woes I don't think. If something hangs/crashes an app, all bets are off. This seems to be Orca not being happy after an app has been quit normally. For what it's worth, one of the things I did in this last refactor -- aside from rewriting a bunch of code -- is eliminate some pretty large try blocks that were swallowing up potentially all sorts of errors, and doing so in some cases without a debug statement telling us what went wrong. So I'm not surprised we're seeing tracebacks now -- we easily could have been seeing the very same thing before and just never realizing it. Note to Attila, whose smiley-faced comment I saw regarding you knowing that unstable means unstable. I don't mind reports. Ever, really. But given our time difference, you always seem to luck out and catch a bug during your morning testing when I'm doing some late night hacking. If, say, less than an hour has passed, given me a few more. If, say, 5 hours have passed and you've not seen a new commit or an announcement on the list, we are no longer in the "unstable means unstable" phase, and I want a report because in that case I'm not aware of the problem. I don't go to bed if I have introduced a serious bug and know about it. And if it's during the day, I tell y'all. Fair enough? Thanks guys! I really appreciate your living on the edge with master. Let's nail these issues in time for 2.91.6. --joanie From joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Fri Jan 21 03:13:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B99787507FD for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 03:13:18 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jh2el-2LLXov for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 03:13:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00087750650 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 03:13:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwj9 with SMTP id 9so1347287qwj.27 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 19:13:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=/SjhHgGjobppztXpOmCBF1QIUWLKAnow7OUqns/eeGU=; b=uJ3owGsnonirbH7VM+pSgYTIpspLJZ8DDtJylKNwLdNx/yQdgGiTNflKbX56ebnHnv w1+8X4Ue06yx2d1KKKS6bCDy5lL3hJnnpcVuuQuPELxlUzA4GV/839lWG0RwuYWoNGdU Z7LEIAbBcrkTxn7Ppwakz7xvDkIyW4vQcnY/8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=lQr73ieYmOvnsbraqkuPoUaBeMF8EhXYJUVsLKwRQtzZgFqWHfxsXdgLQyOG5yIvW5 OPB7hkV6B6iaVye4fjckwQfwomPPaUS7quFUTSTHJtSIi0FIMX5q/RlWrlZJIxb/9ZUI TLJmng3oMKA6InbiW1sG/0QT24FyOFWIgnpzM= Received: by 10.224.19.206 with SMTP id c14mr111045qab.219.1295579585163; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 19:13:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.35.105] (c-98-217-239-60.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [98.217.239.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e29sm6244111qck.39.2011.01.20.19.13.04 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 20 Jan 2011 19:13:04 -0800 (PST) Sender: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <4D38F9BF.2000104@gnome.org> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 22:13:03 -0500 From: Joanmarie Diggs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b10pre) Gecko/20110120 Thunderbird/3.3a3pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Orca-list References: <4D385981.30206@pickup.hu> <4D3898C8.1040001@informal.com.br> <1295555668.2545.1.camel@stormdragon-laptop> <4D38F539.50206@gnome.org> In-Reply-To: <4D38F539.50206@gnome.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Ha! Got it!! (was Re: I see some interesting Orca freezing with I don't possible reproducing always) X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: joanied@gnome.org List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 03:13:19 -0000 Hey gang. I still don't know the magical steps to cause this to happen reliably. But I do know that it only seems to happen when no window gets focus after the app is quit. And I got me a traceback. So I'm going to dive into the traceback. In the meantime, anyone with 100% reliable steps to reproduce this problem will be my new best friend. I've opened a bug here: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=640132 Thanks again guys! --joanie From joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Fri Jan 21 04:15:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4EC575073E for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 04:15:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8s17deFkET3M for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 04:15:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 761D4750713 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 04:15:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwj9 with SMTP id 9so1385805qwj.27 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 20:15:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=7I2xU3E5ngEog4flqgNTYF8JsTplYikuqoB8dFZfGpE=; b=I4hDqnIIBMBwkWh+qTwq7v/Z3/RKYohuW1garL0mbbAgd21yYKBgcp7jFL6CdJmHQd /MfGz+9IRyqIJ5l8evZXgnU0ESyV4NhOQwY3mzqyTrK86gCGq4jfTa7NLawbk2HUld3Z YaqDO37LT4eiD4JMk35xYD4PzG8+euDEsElRA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=vRZuXgWMVRFVE2CdNZkZwbBBB9rUbG5svzbh/GwbDXAkqUiT8xyZssoB/uQul7Im5Y XAaoJMzmRg0zvTVlipQBo6Vqru4MgbFRvShYEk9xLrMvfjq2UMGIGqVVoXwJYRpEaYgO 0qVCNhNvUrNKXQZYmrZ5Qe+ByDWB2M4Z0ZiuQ= Received: by 10.224.140.13 with SMTP id g13mr143102qau.384.1295583339475; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 20:15:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.35.105] (c-98-217-239-60.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [98.217.239.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t7sm6287631qcs.40.2011.01.20.20.15.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 20 Jan 2011 20:15:38 -0800 (PST) Sender: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <4D39086A.6030305@gnome.org> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 23:15:38 -0500 From: Joanmarie Diggs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b10pre) Gecko/20110120 Thunderbird/3.3a3pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Orca-list References: <4D385981.30206@pickup.hu> <4D3898C8.1040001@informal.com.br> <1295555668.2545.1.camel@stormdragon-laptop> <4D38F539.50206@gnome.org> <4D38F9BF.2000104@gnome.org> In-Reply-To: <4D38F9BF.2000104@gnome.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Ha! Got it!! X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: joanied@gnome.org List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 04:15:52 -0000 Update: After some serious attempts I was able to reproduce the bug -- a bug -- in which quitting an app caused Orca to become non-responsive. I have just committed a fix in the form of several sanity checks. Now I cannot reproduce this bug. I will try some more however before napping for the night. In the meantime, if you have been seeing Orca become unresponsive after quitting an application -- or just if you're already testing master -- please pull the very latest and bang on it some more. I'm leaving bug 640132 open until I have some evidence from you all to conclude I really did nail all instances of this particular problem. Thanks again and again and again for all the testing and feedback! --joanie On 01/20/2011 10:13 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > Hey gang. > > I still don't know the magical steps to cause this to happen reliably. > But I do know that it only seems to happen when no window gets focus > after the app is quit. And I got me a traceback. So I'm going to dive > into the traceback. In the meantime, anyone with 100% reliable steps to > reproduce this problem will be my new best friend. > > I've opened a bug here: > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=640132 > > Thanks again guys! > --joanie From hammera@pickup.hu Fri Jan 21 06:12:34 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 150557504BE for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 06:12:34 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x7GoapYtf7Hu for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 06:12:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C882750102 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 06:12:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id 0B4A1E85EF for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:51:36 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D3923C4.3020503@pickup.hu> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:12:20 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D385981.30206@pickup.hu> <4D3898C8.1040001@informal.com.br> <1295555668.2545.1.camel@stormdragon-laptop> <4D38F539.50206@gnome.org> <4D38F9BF.2000104@gnome.org> <4D39086A.6030305@gnome.org> In-Reply-To: <4D39086A.6030305@gnome.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Ha! Got it!! X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 06:12:34 -0000 Hy, Joanie, after pulling the latest master source tree, recompiled and install Orca I not see the yesterday I wrote freezes for example after I closing gedit application. Thank you the commit, I testing longer and if I see this problem again reporting the bugreport. Attila From joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Fri Jan 21 06:26:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 697557504BE for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 06:26:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g54rRWb6anXU for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 06:26:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ACFB750102 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 06:26:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwj9 with SMTP id 9so1464844qwj.27 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 22:26:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent :mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=tbngsk1AzmXhxqlcl06n1aeeSjgRVN6Go5RlCej7xFU=; b=GanAcmVHDVe8zM2JQgQBb8NEJpFdD7PfIYkhCwMZTkL+1mKyNCmRpBtlKQWSmi3JLB RsWkS/TEf4YIanSX/IluVDIe3t81E4Gltv7ee7BtxPeKZIvUs8F5a2+fdya61LO7HjkB RJj3hKNYIuGVTZuVRaPf5cs/kLs4SOhA0efYI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=JgTdlM33syFkrlSWQj8H+iFj3bR0vECrjQWHn6iyPK/I0r+BQTKQD5lZF80NH/t9Mw R0/BixOrTM9vySNiviE9PW0wBDo6nNucbWI9wBRyUzvKg8Z5F8285zza8GrmwQuziej2 AnXM5wbn8+CyxwRdfCMlfbo4LUluFn0moWSpE= Received: by 10.229.235.143 with SMTP id kg15mr276008qcb.17.1295591191494; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 22:26:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.35.105] (c-98-217-239-60.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [98.217.239.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s10sm6371386qco.23.2011.01.20.22.26.30 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 20 Jan 2011 22:26:30 -0800 (PST) Sender: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <4D392716.4030801@gnome.org> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 01:26:30 -0500 From: Joanmarie Diggs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b10pre) Gecko/20110120 Thunderbird/3.3a3pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hammer Attila References: <4D385981.30206@pickup.hu> <4D3898C8.1040001@informal.com.br> <1295555668.2545.1.camel@stormdragon-laptop> <4D38F539.50206@gnome.org> <4D38F9BF.2000104@gnome.org> <4D39086A.6030305@gnome.org> <4D3923C4.3020503@pickup.hu> In-Reply-To: <4D3923C4.3020503@pickup.hu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Ha! Got it!! X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: joanied@gnome.org List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 06:26:44 -0000 Hey Attila. > Joanie, after pulling the latest master source tree, recompiled and > install Orca I not see the yesterday I wrote freezes for example after I > closing gedit application. Sweet! Thanks for the update. > Thank you the commit, I testing longer and if I see this problem again > reporting the bugreport. I appreciate it. I'm going to bed now and am not aware of any major issues. So please report 'em if you find 'em, and I'll deal with them after a nap. Take care. --joanie From hammera@pickup.hu Fri Jan 21 07:39:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0326750295 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:39:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iU6H56LkeDTG for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:39:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 149D9750102 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:38:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id B4EBCE831D for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:18:12 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D393810.7090201@pickup.hu> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 08:38:56 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D385981.30206@pickup.hu> <4D3898C8.1040001@informal.com.br> <1295555668.2545.1.camel@stormdragon-laptop> <4D38F539.50206@gnome.org> <4D38F9BF.2000104@gnome.org> <4D39086A.6030305@gnome.org> <4D3923C4.3020503@pickup.hu> <4D392716.4030801@gnome.org> In-Reply-To: <4D392716.4030801@gnome.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Ha! Got it!! X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:39:10 -0000 Hy, Joanie, unfortunately I am happy possible earli. I attached the opened this problem related bugreport a big debug.out with maked Orca automaticaly when I logged in. I doed a little stress test to open more applications and closing applications, read my e-mails, launch Firefox etc. The debug.out file containing some similar traceback messages, and some repeated interesting lines with I marked line numbers with my comment of this bugreport. The Orca unresponsiving happening I think ten minute after I logged in and doing this test. I hope only I need a full system reinstall and this problem is fixed another persons. Attila From jason@jasonjgw.net Fri Jan 21 07:41:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EF76750295 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:41:21 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.37 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.37 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL=1.31, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.001, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.982, TW_GD=0.077] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SOWksoxjvIqp for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:41:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jdc.jasonjgw.net (ppp203-122-198-41.lns6.adl6.internode.on.net [203.122.198.41]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C87AA7504D0 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:41:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by jdc.jasonjgw.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2F5D8180C5AB1; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 18:41:08 +1100 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=jasonjgw.net; s=mail; t=1295595668; bh=HRG5j/7v3P/XNY38bvbDc55Z+lzjrdU5+P9qdLu4j3U=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:In-Reply-To; b=k59Cl8KXOFdjfK++h8UjHoTePPD3ylpQRzLfeaTZ0b0MqZk76pyTQBuarMLKESbv2 Ww5RXpOBH+Np9rdT4xBwsR80W+vdkSViERu4fg5VswsX4lhikFnCdvqDS+DAUcfQBV OontqXzhGLMeVcXqgUB/JEXzam/CNbtKa96LYVQI= Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 18:41:08 +1100 From: Jason White To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110121074108.GA13510@jdc.jasonjgw.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110119002107.GA11907@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <4D37401F.8090508@aim.com> <20110119234742.GB7022@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <4D37FCD0.1080305@aim.com> <20110120092532.GB15889@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <4D385AC6.4040502@aim.com> <20110120231132.GA6929@jdc.jasonjgw.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110120231132.GA6929@jdc.jasonjgw.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Gdm 3 and Orca configuration X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:41:21 -0000 Jason White wrote: > I have received information off-list regarding how to configure it for > accessibility but there are still issues to be sorted out. Thanks to Sebastian Humenda, here are instructions for enabling Orca in GDM 3 under Debian. This works for me. It will need adaptation for other distributions. As root, type the following: sudo -u Debian-gdm gconftool --type bool \ --set /desktop/gnome/applications/at/screen_reader_enabled true You can of course type it as one line without the \ You should also consider copying your ~/.orca directory to /var/lib/gdm3 to enable the desired Orca settings to be loaded by GDM. If you do this, remember to change the ownership of the files that you've copied: chown -R Debian-gdm.Debian-gdm /var/lib/gdm3/.orca Next, run service gdm3 start (or if you don't have the service command, /etc/init.d/gdm3 start) and Orca should be started automatically. I had to press the tab key once to reach the first menu item, and the use the up/down arrow keys to select an item. I don't know whether this is the intended behaviour. After I logged in, a new Orca session was started. I hope this helps others on the list. Anyone with wiki access is welcome to edit the above and post it. From hammera@pickup.hu Fri Jan 21 07:58:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49E20750295 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:58:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id osc1Rv9vpifA for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:58:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2327F750102 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:58:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id D3125E8651 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:37:43 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D393CA3.6030106@pickup.hu> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 08:58:27 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D3866A0.8060006@aim.com> In-Reply-To: <4D3866A0.8060006@aim.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] GDM issue with orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:58:40 -0000 Hy, This problem reported in Ubuntu Natty too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/687440 Attila From mwhapples@aim.com Fri Jan 21 08:25:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B317750295 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 08:25:31 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.823 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.823 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GD=0.077] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MY0XNJnrGGnz for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 08:25:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (imr-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.40]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE96E750102 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 08:25:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mtaout-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.1]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p0L8PCGk030050; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 03:25:12 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (mwhapples.plus.com [80.229.137.216]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 345D9E0000B6; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 03:25:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4D39419E.1000506@aim.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 08:19:42 +0000 From: Michael Whapples User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b8pre) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.3a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jason White References: <20110119002107.GA11907@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <4D37401F.8090508@aim.com> <20110119234742.GB7022@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <4D37FCD0.1080305@aim.com> <20110120092532.GB15889@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <4D385AC6.4040502@aim.com> <20110120231132.GA6929@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <20110121074108.GA13510@jdc.jasonjgw.net> In-Reply-To: <20110121074108.GA13510@jdc.jasonjgw.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:489713952:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29014d3942e72edf X-AOL-IP: 80.229.137.216 Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Gdm 3 and Orca configuration X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 08:25:31 -0000 Those instructions seem to match very much with the archlinux instructions on the orca wiki I pointed you to. This just seems to go with what I had been saying before that gdm3 is simply a packaging name from debian. If you still believe it is different as you have said up to now, please point me to the homepage/original source for gdm3 as I cannot find it on the gnome ftp server and a google search seems to bring up debian results. Michael Whapples On -10/01/37 20:59, Jason White wrote: > Jason White wrote: > >> I have received information off-list regarding how to configure it for >> accessibility but there are still issues to be sorted out. > Thanks to Sebastian Humenda, here are instructions for enabling Orca in GDM 3 > under Debian. This works for me. It will need adaptation for other > distributions. > > As root, type the following: > sudo -u Debian-gdm gconftool --type bool \ > --set /desktop/gnome/applications/at/screen_reader_enabled true > > You can of course type it as one line without the \ > > You should also consider copying your ~/.orca directory to /var/lib/gdm3 to > enable the desired Orca settings to be loaded by GDM. If you do this, remember > to change the ownership of the files that you've copied: > chown -R Debian-gdm.Debian-gdm /var/lib/gdm3/.orca > Next, run service gdm3 start (or if you don't have the service command, > /etc/init.d/gdm3 start) and Orca should be started automatically. I had to > press the tab key once to reach the first menu item, and the use the up/down > arrow keys to select an item. I don't know whether this is the intended > behaviour. > > After I logged in, a new Orca session was started. > > I hope this helps others on the list. > > Anyone with wiki access is welcome to edit the above and post it. > > From mwhapples@aim.com Fri Jan 21 08:45:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EC1A7502F7 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 08:45:27 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g5-+d9cE8Pon for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 08:45:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (imr-mb01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.164]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75626750295 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 08:45:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mtaout-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.3]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p0L8j4MB017380; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 03:45:04 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (mwhapples.plus.com [80.229.137.216]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 12297E0000B2; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 03:45:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4D39464A.8080702@aim.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 08:39:38 +0000 From: Michael Whapples User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b8pre) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.3a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hammer Attila References: <4D3866A0.8060006@aim.com> <4D393CA3.6030106@pickup.hu> In-Reply-To: <4D393CA3.6030106@pickup.hu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:450602592:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29034d39478f42c3 X-AOL-IP: 80.229.137.216 Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] GDM issue with orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 08:45:27 -0000 Hello, Sounds like that ubuntu bug is the same one the patch attached to the gnome bug should fix. The problem is that the patch although making things work through the keyboard doesn't reveal accessible information. May be my first description of my issue was not clear. Michael Whapples On -10/01/37 20:59, Hammer Attila wrote: > Hy, > > This problem reported in Ubuntu Natty too: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/687440 > > Attila > From bhatdv@gmail.com Fri Jan 21 08:46:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A04E27506AA; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 08:46:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.689 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.689 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E8P8O1orvK5v; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 08:46:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E7DA750102; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 08:45:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk36 with SMTP id 36so1554187qyk.6 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 00:45:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=AJmnJ8LFJZkagvl2rsG2pJ5rnlj1QnvCUr3IZXXAKCg=; b=Df/m2LxsHIXYYIi9HnVjcpshsfAiNFGY48dGfj0dIxSWdOnuZ97OB1d3JighjdBygR i55aAqpCByAafOBaPhv4pX200rwSK0Fa6+rxv9PONmYg5O4jdewx+57SBX4QNXMEoxC0 IqZrqlnXILbe0ceuOLPq0foUmPxrCeNjp8KfM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=t5EyBEH21mlbD5S1a5dKnAiqf13Ui1z8qZl0ppTwJhhYbTHUDLFI2RbetX4JfWt/Hc WrwrMDy3LLaQziARqH2AiJm18jW/6mZshCeu5zlExIMQAQq/0R+baOyl4RQmKbutxgMy sst3iPfjMck3eTlYgXPEPoVS0STcEZXiknZFM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.82.8 with SMTP id z8mr359772qck.108.1295599553127; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 00:45:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.176.130 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 00:45:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110120151058.GA26759@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> References: <20110120151058.GA26759@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:15:53 +0530 Message-ID: From: Dattatray Bhat To: orca-devel-list@gnome.org, orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163646d40c22a546049a574785 Subject: Re: [orca-list] [orca-devel] Structural navigation of OOo writer documents. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 08:46:06 -0000 --00163646d40c22a546049a574785 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks, Steve, Joanie! Happy to assist in whatever ways I can. To begin, as suggested by Joanie, I intend to check (with Accerciser) if OOo and LibreOffice are exposing the right information to us. Regards. --00163646d40c22a546049a574785 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks, Steve, Joanie!
Happy to assist in whatever ways I can. To begin, as suggested by Joanie, I intend to check (with Accerciser) if OOo and LibreOffice are exposing the right information to us.
Regards.
--00163646d40c22a546049a574785-- From mwhapples@aim.com Fri Jan 21 09:15:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A25CC750858 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:15:31 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DWgDHp+DMRTP for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:15:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (imr-ma06.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.142]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BB1F750102 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:15:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mtaout-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.195]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p0L9FCmK023678; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 04:15:12 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (mwhapples.plus.com [80.229.137.216]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 72324E000153; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 04:15:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4D394D59.3000601@aim.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:09:45 +0000 From: Michael Whapples User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b8pre) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.3a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Holmes References: <4D385981.30206@pickup.hu> <4D3898C8.1040001@informal.com.br> <1295555668.2545.1.camel@stormdragon-laptop> <4D38F027.3070507@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4D38F027.3070507@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020100030409050709020601" x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:491628640:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c34d394e9f10a4 X-AOL-IP: 80.229.137.216 Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] I see some interesting Orca freezing with I don't possible reproducing always X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:15:31 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020100030409050709020601 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have a feeling that what you observe with openoffice is a separate matter. I sometimes get this and what I actually think is going on (from the very little I can make out from the screen) is that there may be a dialog there. If pressing enter resolves it, then it sounds like the issue is very much related to this dialog appearing, as pressing enter make the dialog go away for me. I believe that issue may have existed for much, much longer and possibly is really an openoffice issue as openoffice doesn't seem to be closing cleanly. I don't have a clue what the dialog box says, but it appears after the main openoffice window has shut. Michael Whapples On -10/01/37 20:59, Steve Holmes wrote: > I have a similar problem that happens when closing OOo applications > like Calc and Writer. It usually closes fine when I have debug on but > is more likely to occur when debug level is Off or Severe. I haven't > seen this for a while now on my desktop but I had it happen on my > laptop over the weekend and that is a brand new install of Gnome, > Orca, and Open Office 3.4 dev on my 64 bit box. > > I should clarify though that when I lose speech and just hit enter, > Orca comes back and I get dumped into the dialog one gets when you > choose Open Office from the start menu. Orca never aborts on me > except for losing speech when I exit the OOo application. > > On 01/20/2011 01:34 PM, Storm Dragon wrote: >> Hi, >> this mostly happens for me in Evolution. I have been trying for a >> debug.out but it seems to only happen when I am not in debug mode lol. >> Storm >> -- >> "with a trunk big enough to fit three bodies in" >> Calabrese >> Registered Linux user number 508465: >> http://counter.li.org/ >> My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: >> http://www.stormdragon.us/ >> Follow me on Twitter: >> http://www.twitter.com/stormdragon2976 >> >> >> On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 18:19 -0200, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: >>> Hi Attila. >>> Yes, I can confirm. >>> Sometimes when I close an application Orca freezes. When I restart orca >>> pressing a short-cut key I hear orca say goodbye. >>> >>> On 01/20/2011 01:49 PM, Hammer Attila wrote: >>> > Hy, >>> > >>> > Perhaps my system wrong (only yesterday I cleanup right the monday >>> > changed script files), I see some interesting Orca freezing after I >>> > closing an application. >>> > This is I think begin happening after monday doed changes, but the >>> > problem I not possible tell an absolute sure reproducation step. >>> > For example, if I some time closing Gedit, Orca is full silencing when >>> > I begin typing a terminal window, only Orca restart help. >>> > >>> > Some time when I jumping next unread message with a different folder, >>> > Orca not spokening the popup question, but not freezing. >>> > Oldest time my machine Orca is some time freezing only if I closing >>> > Firefox 3.6 version, but I think this is a known issue, happened >>> > prewious mail changes in the list this problem related. >>> > Anybody see interesting but not reproducable Orca freezing after >>> > monday doed changes? >>> > >>> > I doed following to prewent this problem: >>> > 1. Remove entire the .local/share/orca/app-settings directory. >>> > 2. Full uninstall Orca and remove the unneed >>> > /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca directory. >>> > My orca-customizations.py file is not using the default script, only >>> > importing orca.speech, orca.braille, orca.input_event, orca.settings, >>> > orca.keybindings, orca.orca files. >>> > All trying not help unfortunately. If not you wrote confirmation, I >>> > doing I think a reinstall, because my Lucid system is little old. >>> > I no, master branch is master branch, some time unstable, but prewious >>> > I not see this type problem. :-):-) >>> > Possible I missing a step with prewent this type problems? >>> > >>> > Attila >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > orca-list mailing list >>> > orca-list@gnome.org >>> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> > Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>> > The manual is at >>> > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>> > The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>> > Netiquette Guidelines are at >>> > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>> > Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> > Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>> The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>> Netiquette Guidelines are athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp --------------020100030409050709020601 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a feeling that what you observe with openoffice is a separate matter. I sometimes get this and what I actually think is going on (from the very little I can make out from the screen) is that there may be a dialog there. If pressing enter resolves it, then it sounds like the issue is very much related to this dialog appearing, as pressing enter make the dialog go away for me. I believe that issue may have existed for much, much longer and possibly is really an openoffice issue as openoffice doesn't seem to be closing cleanly. I don't have a clue what the dialog box says, but it appears after the main openoffice window has shut.

Michael Whapples
On -10/01/37 20:59, Steve Holmes wrote:
I have a similar problem that happens when closing OOo applications like Calc and Writer.  It usually closes fine when I have debug on but is more likely to occur when debug level is Off or Severe.  I haven't seen this for a while now on my desktop but I had it happen on my laptop over the weekend and that is a brand new install of Gnome, Orca, and Open Office 3.4 dev on my 64 bit box.

I should clarify though that when I lose speech and just hit enter, Orca comes back and I get dumped into the dialog one gets when you choose Open Office from the start menu.  Orca never aborts on me except for losing speech when I exit the OOo application.

On 01/20/2011 01:34 PM, Storm Dragon wrote:
Hi,
this mostly happens for me in Evolution. I have been trying for a debug.out but it seems to only happen when I am not in debug mode lol.
Storm
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On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 18:19 -0200, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: 
Hi Attila.
Yes, I can confirm.
Sometimes when I close an application Orca freezes. When I restart orca 
pressing a short-cut key I hear orca say goodbye.

On 01/20/2011 01:49 PM, Hammer Attila wrote:
> Hy,
>
> Perhaps my system wrong (only yesterday I cleanup right the monday 
> changed script files), I see some interesting Orca freezing after I 
> closing an application.
> This is I think begin happening after monday doed changes, but the 
> problem I not possible tell an absolute sure reproducation step.
> For example, if I some time closing Gedit, Orca is full silencing when 
> I begin typing a terminal window, only Orca restart help.
>
> Some time when I jumping next unread message with a different folder, 
> Orca not spokening the popup question, but not freezing.
> Oldest time my machine Orca is some time freezing only if I closing 
> Firefox 3.6 version, but I think this is a known issue, happened 
> prewious mail changes in the list this problem related.
> Anybody see interesting but not reproducable Orca freezing after 
> monday doed changes?
>
> I doed following to prewent this problem:
> 1. Remove entire the .local/share/orca/app-settings directory.
> 2. Full uninstall Orca and remove the unneed 
> /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca directory.
> My orca-customizations.py file is not using the default script, only 
> importing orca.speech, orca.braille, orca.input_event, orca.settings, 
> orca.keybindings, orca.orca files.
> All trying not help unfortunately. If not you wrote confirmation, I 
> doing I think a reinstall, because my Lucid system is little old.
> I no, master branch is master branch, some time unstable, but prewious 
> I not see this type problem. :-):-)
> Possible I missing a step with prewent this type problems?
>
> Attila
> _______________________________________________
> orca-list mailing list
> orca-list@gnome.org
> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> The manual is at 
> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> Netiquette Guidelines are at 
> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>
_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list@gnome.org
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

  
_______________________________________________
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orca-list@gnome.org
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

--------------020100030409050709020601-- From jdashiel@shellworld.net Fri Jan 21 09:33:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD637750FAB for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:33:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.244 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.244 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SARE_RECV_IP_069060096=1.666, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5LfkTNAevEVD for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:33:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server1.shellworld.net (shellworld.net [69.60.117.94]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5409C750FC0 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:33:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by server1.shellworld.net (Postfix, from userid 1024) id D2E4E22815; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 03:33:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server1.shellworld.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D08402280F; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 04:33:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 04:33:02 -0500 (EST) From: Jude DaShiell To: Michael Whapples In-Reply-To: <4D394D59.3000601@aim.com> Message-ID: References: <4D385981.30206@pickup.hu> <4D3898C8.1040001@informal.com.br> <1295555668.2545.1.camel@stormdragon-laptop> <4D38F027.3070507@gmail.com> <4D394D59.3000601@aim.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] I see some interesting Orca freezing with I don't possible reproducing always X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:33:17 -0000 Did everybody who has and does run openoffice configure and enable assistive technology in the openoffice preferences? I'm asking this as well as whether java access bridge runs on all of these machines because just as a s.w.a.g., maybe openoffice is complaining or pointing out that some of this or all of this either hasn't been done or needs to be done.On Fri, 21 Jan 2011, Michael Whapples wrote: > I have a feeling that what you observe with openoffice is a separate matter. > I sometimes get this and what I actually think is going on (from the very > little I can make out from the screen) is that there may be a dialog there. > If pressing enter resolves it, then it sounds like the issue is very much > related to this dialog appearing, as pressing enter make the dialog go away > for me. I believe that issue may have existed for much, much longer and > possibly is really an openoffice issue as openoffice doesn't seem to be > closing cleanly. I don't have a clue what the dialog box says, but it appears > after the main openoffice window has shut. > > Michael Whapples > On -10/01/37 20:59, Steve Holmes wrote: >> I have a similar problem that happens when closing OOo applications like >> Calc and Writer. It usually closes fine when I have debug on but is more >> likely to occur when debug level is Off or Severe. I haven't seen this >> for a while now on my desktop but I had it happen on my laptop over the >> weekend and that is a brand new install of Gnome, Orca, and Open Office >> 3.4 dev on my 64 bit box. >> >> I should clarify though that when I lose speech and just hit enter, Orca >> comes back and I get dumped into the dialog one gets when you choose Open >> Office from the start menu. Orca never aborts on me except for losing >> speech when I exit the OOo application. >> >> On 01/20/2011 01:34 PM, Storm Dragon wrote: >> > Hi, >> > this mostly happens for me in Evolution. I have been trying for a >> > debug.out but it seems to only happen when I am not in debug mode lol. >> > Storm >> > -- >> > "with a trunk big enough to fit three bodies in" >> > Calabrese >> > Registered Linux user number 508465: >> > http://counter.li.org/ >> > My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: >> > http://www.stormdragon.us/ >> > Follow me on Twitter: >> > http://www.twitter.com/stormdragon2976 >> > >> > >> > On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 18:19 -0200, Jos? Vilmar Est?cio de Souza wrote: >> > > Hi Attila. >> > > Yes, I can confirm. >> > > Sometimes when I close an application Orca freezes. When I restart >> > > orca >> > > pressing a short-cut key I hear orca say goodbye. >> > > >> > > On 01/20/2011 01:49 PM, Hammer Attila wrote: >> > > > Hy, >> > > > >> > > > Perhaps my system wrong (only yesterday I cleanup right the monday >> > > > changed script files), I see some interesting Orca freezing after I >> > > > closing an application. >> > > > This is I think begin happening after monday doed changes, but the >> > > > problem I not possible tell an absolute sure reproducation step. >> > > > For example, if I some time closing Gedit, Orca is full silencing >> > > > when >> > > > I begin typing a terminal window, only Orca restart help. >> > > > >> > > > Some time when I jumping next unread message with a different >> > > > folder, >> > > > Orca not spokening the popup question, but not freezing. >> > > > Oldest time my machine Orca is some time freezing only if I closing >> > > > Firefox 3.6 version, but I think this is a known issue, happened >> > > > prewious mail changes in the list this problem related. >> > > > Anybody see interesting but not reproducable Orca freezing after >> > > > monday doed changes? >> > > > >> > > > I doed following to prewent this problem: >> > > > 1. Remove entire the .local/share/orca/app-settings directory. >> > > > 2. Full uninstall Orca and remove the unneed >> > > > /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca directory. >> > > > My orca-customizations.py file is not using the default script, >> > > > only >> > > > importing orca.speech, orca.braille, orca.input_event, >> > > > orca.settings, >> > > > orca.keybindings, orca.orca files. >> > > > All trying not help unfortunately. If not you wrote confirmation, I >> > > > doing I think a reinstall, because my Lucid system is little old. >> > > > I no, master branch is master branch, some time unstable, but >> > > > prewious >> > > > I not see this type problem. :-):-) >> > > > Possible I missing a step with prewent this type problems? >> > > > >> > > > Attila >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > orca-list mailing list >> > > > orca-list@gnome.org >> > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> > > > Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> > > > The manual is at >> > > > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> > > > The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> > > > Netiquette Guidelines are at >> > > > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> > > > Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >> > > > Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > orca-list mailing list >> > > orca-list@gnome.org >> > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> > > Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> > > The manual is >> > > athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> > > The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> > > Netiquette Guidelines are >> > > athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> > > Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >> > > Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > orca-list mailing list >> > orca-list@gnome.org >> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> > Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> > The manual is >> > athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> > The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> > Netiquette Guidelines are >> > athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> > Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >> > Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > From jason@jasonjgw.net Fri Jan 21 09:38:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CE95750F9B for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:38:11 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.293 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.293 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL=1.31, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.001, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.982] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rvyM5duEgG+X for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:38:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jdc.jasonjgw.net (ppp203-122-198-41.lns6.adl6.internode.on.net [203.122.198.41]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 926E0750F92 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:38:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by jdc.jasonjgw.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DD007180C5AB1; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 20:37:57 +1100 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=jasonjgw.net; s=mail; t=1295602677; bh=U6CSlVRMwaNimKlnck+vnyocoG6ZHg/3VzEK8vYpOGQ=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:In-Reply-To; b=qBczkKJ7XJseCWg8uGuFg0+/DwboAy+J3qrjIzAjjPNd2GebBAFxKNDyvm/trw3zw 4pnPLdXbKcJYfoGOI4InCo8YzuSx1rH87t1zp9x4WuxpWBR+nKGJelWLaNsFc/PBj2 MCYvPMU32GFD/2Cz2GVXurrbBYhTDUYnP3bOA5ic= Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 20:37:57 +1100 From: Jason White To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110121093757.GA14724@jdc.jasonjgw.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D3866A0.8060006@aim.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D3866A0.8060006@aim.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] GDM issue with orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:38:11 -0000 Michael Whapples wrote: > 3. Should I file a separate bug against GDM for this? I think it's really a separate bug. The original bug was a focux problem; the new bug is an ATK/AT-SPI interaction issue, judging by your debugging efforts. If you just add it to the original report I think you'll probably be asked to submit a new bug report. From mwhapples@aim.com Fri Jan 21 09:40:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CCEF750F9D for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:40:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jiz+UEZboaW5 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:40:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imr-da05.mx.aol.com (imr-da05.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.147]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3471E750F90 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:40:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mtaout-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.134]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p0L9dsjC020090; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 04:39:54 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (mwhapples.plus.com [80.229.137.216]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 42BE1E0000CD; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 04:39:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4D395323.3080309@aim.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:34:27 +0000 From: Michael Whapples User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b8pre) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.3a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jude DaShiell References: <4D385981.30206@pickup.hu> <4D3898C8.1040001@informal.com.br> <1295555668.2545.1.camel@stormdragon-laptop> <4D38F027.3070507@gmail.com> <4D394D59.3000601@aim.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:507430848:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33864d3954694422 X-AOL-IP: 80.229.137.216 Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] I see some interesting Orca freezing with I don't possible reproducing always X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:40:16 -0000 That isn't needed in Linux, it doesn't use the java access API, it directly makes use of ATK/at-spi. In fact I cannot find the option you mention for enabling accessibility in the linux version. Michael Whapples On 21/01/11 09:33, Jude DaShiell wrote: > Did everybody who has and does run openoffice configure and enable > assistive technology in the openoffice preferences? I'm asking this as > well as whether java access bridge runs on all of these machines > because just as a s.w.a.g., maybe openoffice is complaining or > pointing out that some of this or all of this either hasn't been done > or needs to be done.On Fri, 21 Jan 2011, Michael Whapples wrote: > >> I have a feeling that what you observe with openoffice is a separate >> matter. I sometimes get this and what I actually think is going on >> (from the very little I can make out from the screen) is that there >> may be a dialog there. If pressing enter resolves it, then it sounds >> like the issue is very much related to this dialog appearing, as >> pressing enter make the dialog go away for me. I believe that issue >> may have existed for much, much longer and possibly is really an >> openoffice issue as openoffice doesn't seem to be closing cleanly. I >> don't have a clue what the dialog box says, but it appears after the >> main openoffice window has shut. >> >> Michael Whapples >> On -10/01/37 20:59, Steve Holmes wrote: >>> I have a similar problem that happens when closing OOo applications >>> like >>> Calc and Writer. It usually closes fine when I have debug on but is >>> more >>> likely to occur when debug level is Off or Severe. I haven't seen this >>> for a while now on my desktop but I had it happen on my laptop over the >>> weekend and that is a brand new install of Gnome, Orca, and Open Office >>> 3.4 dev on my 64 bit box. >>> >>> I should clarify though that when I lose speech and just hit enter, >>> Orca >>> comes back and I get dumped into the dialog one gets when you choose >>> Open >>> Office from the start menu. Orca never aborts on me except for losing >>> speech when I exit the OOo application. >>> >>> On 01/20/2011 01:34 PM, Storm Dragon wrote: >>> > Hi, >>> > this mostly happens for me in Evolution. I have been trying for a >>> > debug.out but it seems to only happen when I am not in debug mode >>> lol. >>> > Storm >>> > -- > "with a trunk big enough to fit three bodies in" >>> > Calabrese >>> > Registered Linux user number 508465: >>> > http://counter.li.org/ >>> > My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: >>> > http://www.stormdragon.us/ >>> > Follow me on Twitter: >>> > http://www.twitter.com/stormdragon2976 >>> > > > On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 18:19 -0200, Jos? Vilmar Est?cio de >>> Souza wrote: >>> > > Hi Attila. >>> > > Yes, I can confirm. >>> > > Sometimes when I close an application Orca freezes. When I >>> restart > > orca >>> > > pressing a short-cut key I hear orca say goodbye. >>> > > > > On 01/20/2011 01:49 PM, Hammer Attila wrote: >>> > > > Hy, >>> > > > > > > Perhaps my system wrong (only yesterday I cleanup right >>> the monday >>> > > > changed script files), I see some interesting Orca freezing >>> after I >>> > > > closing an application. >>> > > > This is I think begin happening after monday doed changes, but >>> the >>> > > > problem I not possible tell an absolute sure reproducation step. >>> > > > For example, if I some time closing Gedit, Orca is full >>> silencing > > > when >>> > > > I begin typing a terminal window, only Orca restart help. >>> > > > > > > Some time when I jumping next unread message with a >>> different > > > folder, >>> > > > Orca not spokening the popup question, but not freezing. >>> > > > Oldest time my machine Orca is some time freezing only if I >>> closing >>> > > > Firefox 3.6 version, but I think this is a known issue, happened >>> > > > prewious mail changes in the list this problem related. >>> > > > Anybody see interesting but not reproducable Orca freezing after >>> > > > monday doed changes? >>> > > > > > > I doed following to prewent this problem: >>> > > > 1. Remove entire the .local/share/orca/app-settings directory. >>> > > > 2. Full uninstall Orca and remove the unneed >>> > > > /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca directory. >>> > > > My orca-customizations.py file is not using the default >>> script, > > > only >>> > > > importing orca.speech, orca.braille, orca.input_event, > > > >>> orca.settings, >>> > > > orca.keybindings, orca.orca files. >>> > > > All trying not help unfortunately. If not you wrote >>> confirmation, I >>> > > > doing I think a reinstall, because my Lucid system is little old. >>> > > > I no, master branch is master branch, some time unstable, but >>> > > > prewious >>> > > > I not see this type problem. :-):-) >>> > > > Possible I missing a step with prewent this type problems? >>> > > > > > > Attila >>> > > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > > orca-list mailing list >>> > > > orca-list@gnome.org >>> > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> > > > Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>> > > > The manual is at >>> > > > >>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>> > > > The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>> > > > Netiquette Guidelines are at >>> > > > >>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>> >>> > > > Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> > > > Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>> > > > > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > orca-list mailing list >>> > > orca-list@gnome.org >>> > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> > > Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>> > > The manual is > > >>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>> > > The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>> > > Netiquette Guidelines are > > >>> athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>> > > Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> > > Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > orca-list mailing list >>> > orca-list@gnome.org >>> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> > Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>> > The manual is > >>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>> > The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>> > Netiquette Guidelines are > >>> athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>> > Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> > Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> >> > > From jason@jasonjgw.net Fri Jan 21 09:46:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B00C750F92 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:46:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.293 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.293 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL=1.31, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.001, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.982] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kwhf62xMjw-1 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:46:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jdc.jasonjgw.net (ppp203-122-198-41.lns6.adl6.internode.on.net [203.122.198.41]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5F6B750F90 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:45:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by jdc.jasonjgw.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2CE54180C5AB1; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 20:45:47 +1100 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=jasonjgw.net; s=mail; t=1295603147; bh=dGM0EEu/pdq1uQ7ASLjtGFCDVkv1F3P4IyiL4AlUA44=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:In-Reply-To; b=uf7x4XHle9RfYjqlN11hZBGPHWC1SlUj1fipqMta5fCV+S1habRPS7dONMp0xskcY MgRL4UnNqocLDne67GCaPbveBt7AApoG6eujGtWth4vGmVqFwV3yK5SDLHniMj4fvm aEHqMXRzMlpkPwqoPpR6F0Ym/g7c1AF/IuzjOFE8= Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 20:45:47 +1100 From: Jason White To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110121094547.GA14902@jdc.jasonjgw.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D385981.30206@pickup.hu> <4D3898C8.1040001@informal.com.br> <1295555668.2545.1.camel@stormdragon-laptop> <4D38F027.3070507@gmail.com> <4D394D59.3000601@aim.com> <4D395323.3080309@aim.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D395323.3080309@aim.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] I see some interesting Orca freezing with I don't possible reproducing always X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:46:04 -0000 Michael Whapples wrote: > That isn't needed in Linux, it doesn't use the java access API, it > directly makes use of ATK/at-spi. In fact I cannot find the option > you mention for enabling accessibility in the linux version. That's correct. All it needs is the Gnome support, which some distributions package separately. The Java accessibility dependency went away a long time ago, which is good news - it removes a lot of unnecessary complexity. From jdashiel@shellworld.net Fri Jan 21 09:49:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D105C750F9B for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:49:52 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.244 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.244 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SARE_RECV_IP_069060096=1.666, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lJU2T4mYCFiO for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:49:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server1.shellworld.net (shellworld.net [69.60.117.94]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54414750F92 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:49:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by server1.shellworld.net (Postfix, from userid 1024) id 71F512280F; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 03:49:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server1.shellworld.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F40F2280B; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 04:49:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 04:49:40 -0500 (EST) From: Jude DaShiell To: Michael Whapples In-Reply-To: <4D395323.3080309@aim.com> Message-ID: References: <4D385981.30206@pickup.hu> <4D3898C8.1040001@informal.com.br> <1295555668.2545.1.camel@stormdragon-laptop> <4D38F027.3070507@gmail.com> <4D394D59.3000601@aim.com> <4D395323.3080309@aim.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] I see some interesting Orca freezing with I don't possible reproducing always X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:49:53 -0000 Okay, that's all good to know. The next question is if openoffice documents use of assistive technology on the Linux side in its default files and how clean is the interaction between the accessibility documented default files and openoffice in terms of code that was written for Windows? Could some Windows code incorrectly be hiccuping when it runs into these kind of openoffice linux default files? Can't be ruled out if we're the only ones having this problem in the Linux environment. Finally is openoffice looking for specific versions of assistive software and possibly getting upset when these aren't found as a result of updates?On Fri, 21 Jan 2011, Michael Whapples wrote: > That isn't needed in Linux, it doesn't use the java access API, it directly > makes use of ATK/at-spi. In fact I cannot find the option you mention for > enabling accessibility in the linux version. > > Michael Whapples > On 21/01/11 09:33, Jude DaShiell wrote: >> Did everybody who has and does run openoffice configure and enable >> assistive technology in the openoffice preferences? I'm asking this as >> well as whether java access bridge runs on all of these machines because >> just as a s.w.a.g., maybe openoffice is complaining or pointing out that >> some of this or all of this either hasn't been done or needs to be done.On >> Fri, 21 Jan 2011, Michael Whapples wrote: >> >> > I have a feeling that what you observe with openoffice is a separate >> > matter. I sometimes get this and what I actually think is going on (from >> > the very little I can make out from the screen) is that there may be a >> > dialog there. If pressing enter resolves it, then it sounds like the >> > issue is very much related to this dialog appearing, as pressing enter >> > make the dialog go away for me. I believe that issue may have existed >> > for much, much longer and possibly is really an openoffice issue as >> > openoffice doesn't seem to be closing cleanly. I don't have a clue what >> > the dialog box says, but it appears after the main openoffice window has >> > shut. >> > >> > Michael Whapples >> > On -10/01/37 20:59, Steve Holmes wrote: >> > > I have a similar problem that happens when closing OOo applications >> > > like >> > > Calc and Writer. It usually closes fine when I have debug on but is >> > > more >> > > likely to occur when debug level is Off or Severe. I haven't seen this >> > > for a while now on my desktop but I had it happen on my laptop over >> > > the >> > > weekend and that is a brand new install of Gnome, Orca, and Open >> > > Office >> > > 3.4 dev on my 64 bit box. >> > > >> > > I should clarify though that when I lose speech and just hit enter, >> > > Orca >> > > comes back and I get dumped into the dialog one gets when you choose >> > > Open >> > > Office from the start menu. Orca never aborts on me except for losing >> > > speech when I exit the OOo application. >> > > >> > > On 01/20/2011 01:34 PM, Storm Dragon wrote: >> > > > Hi, >> > > > this mostly happens for me in Evolution. I have been trying for a >> > > > debug.out but it seems to only happen when I am not in debug mode >> > > lol. >> > > > Storm >> > > > -- > "with a trunk big enough to fit three bodies in" >> > > > Calabrese >> > > > Registered Linux user number 508465: >> > > > http://counter.li.org/ >> > > > My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: >> > > > http://www.stormdragon.us/ >> > > > Follow me on Twitter: >> > > > http://www.twitter.com/stormdragon2976 >> > > > > > On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 18:19 -0200, Jos? Vilmar Est?cio de >> > > Souza wrote: >> > > > > Hi Attila. >> > > > > Yes, I can confirm. >> > > > > Sometimes when I close an application Orca freezes. When I >> > > restart > > orca >> > > > > pressing a short-cut key I hear orca say goodbye. >> > > > > > > On 01/20/2011 01:49 PM, Hammer Attila wrote: >> > > > > > Hy, >> > > > > > > > > Perhaps my system wrong (only yesterday I cleanup right >> > > the monday >> > > > > > changed script files), I see some interesting Orca freezing >> > > after I >> > > > > > closing an application. >> > > > > > This is I think begin happening after monday doed changes, but >> > > the >> > > > > > problem I not possible tell an absolute sure reproducation step. >> > > > > > For example, if I some time closing Gedit, Orca is full >> > > silencing > > > when >> > > > > > I begin typing a terminal window, only Orca restart help. >> > > > > > > > > Some time when I jumping next unread message with a >> > > different > > > folder, >> > > > > > Orca not spokening the popup question, but not freezing. >> > > > > > Oldest time my machine Orca is some time freezing only if I >> > > closing >> > > > > > Firefox 3.6 version, but I think this is a known issue, happened >> > > > > > prewious mail changes in the list this problem related. >> > > > > > Anybody see interesting but not reproducable Orca freezing after >> > > > > > monday doed changes? >> > > > > > > > > I doed following to prewent this problem: >> > > > > > 1. Remove entire the .local/share/orca/app-settings directory. >> > > > > > 2. Full uninstall Orca and remove the unneed >> > > > > > /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca directory. >> > > > > > My orca-customizations.py file is not using the default >> > > script, > > > only >> > > > > > importing orca.speech, orca.braille, orca.input_event, > > > >> > > orca.settings, >> > > > > > orca.keybindings, orca.orca files. >> > > > > > All trying not help unfortunately. If not you wrote >> > > confirmation, I >> > > > > > doing I think a reinstall, because my Lucid system is little >> > > > > > old. >> > > > > > I no, master branch is master branch, some time unstable, but >> > > > > > prewious >> > > > > > I not see this type problem. :-):-) >> > > > > > Possible I missing a step with prewent this type problems? >> > > > > > > > > Attila >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > > > orca-list mailing list >> > > > > > orca-list@gnome.org >> > > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> > > > > > Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> > > > > > The manual is at >> > > > > > >> > > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> > > > > > The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> > > > > > Netiquette Guidelines are at >> > > > > > >> > > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> > > >> > > > > > Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >> > > > > > Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > > orca-list mailing list >> > > > > orca-list@gnome.org >> > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> > > > > Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> > > > > The manual is > > >> > > athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> > > > > The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> > > > > Netiquette Guidelines are > > >> > > athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> > > > > Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >> > > > > Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> > > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > orca-list mailing list >> > > > orca-list@gnome.org >> > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> > > > Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> > > > The manual is > >> > > athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> > > > The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> > > > Netiquette Guidelines are > >> > > athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> > > > Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >> > > > Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> > >> > >> >> > > > From jdashiel@shellworld.net Fri Jan 21 10:38:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B0BB750747 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 10:38:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.244 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.244 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SARE_RECV_IP_069060096=1.666, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UPCFvNewF61g for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 10:38:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server1.shellworld.net (shellworld.net [69.60.117.94]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4364E7500CB for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 10:38:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by server1.shellworld.net (Postfix, from userid 1024) id 6A57022815; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 04:38:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server1.shellworld.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67D082280F for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 05:38:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 05:38:28 -0500 (EST) From: Jude DaShiell To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [orca-list] catching program exit dialogs X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 10:38:40 -0000 Down on the command line I can do this using script and get a typescript file to check over later. To perhaps move solution of openoffice problem(s) along, what's the gnome equivalent of the script command? From jason@jasonjgw.net Fri Jan 21 10:53:20 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C472750747 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 10:53:20 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.293 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.293 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL=1.31, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.001, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.982] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NT0Gs-xITOXm for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 10:53:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jdc.jasonjgw.net (ppp203-122-198-41.lns6.adl6.internode.on.net [203.122.198.41]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C98407500CB for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 10:53:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by jdc.jasonjgw.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C57DB180C5ABC; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 21:53:06 +1100 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=jasonjgw.net; s=mail; t=1295607186; bh=oG+NUjzxAbw5cdBVlDhTXAqsDQbe2j9yO2cFWWFKWlg=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:In-Reply-To; b=wgCxNe91299l6ASZY69fjxGSNwHqMXe88A2uhORuErme5eCA+7LmiU+nDFooi/QV9 /5nZEf+OwFXaP+CnGhtta0v9bNN1S8ROwXQWyFcP5B42Ua8Y/YxiE2raP9yT1KQ6T4 8uPcmz9qyx+MTD5uIskWIaiBFKc+xdE7tmDDV2xU= Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 21:53:06 +1100 From: Jason White To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110121105306.GA17376@jdc.jasonjgw.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] catching program exit dialogs X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 10:53:20 -0000 Jude DaShiell wrote: > Down on the command line I can do this using script and get a > typescript file to check over later. To perhaps move solution of > openoffice problem(s) along, what's the gnome equivalent of the > script command? There are commands you can use (from ImageMagick, if I remember rightly) to create a screen capture, a graphics file of the entire contents of the display. If you do this, please do not post such files to the list! Someone can then look at the image file and see what's on the screen. From milton@tomaatnet.nl Fri Jan 21 11:01:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8027B750748 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:01:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id spuxQ9zUXPWt for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:01:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp7.versatel.nl (smtp6.versatel.nl [62.58.50.97]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E07677501A5 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:01:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 10660 invoked by uid 0); 21 Jan 2011 11:01:11 -0000 Received: from ip208-80-209-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl (HELO milton) ([87.209.80.208]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp6.versatel.nl (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for < >; 21 Jan 2011 11:01:11 -0000 Message-ID: From: "Milton" To: "Michael Whapples" , "Steve Holmes" , References: <4D385981.30206@pickup.hu> <4D3898C8.1040001@informal.com.br><1295555668.2545.1.camel@stormdragon-laptop><4D38F027.3070507@gmail.com> <4D394D59.3000601@aim.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 12:01:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01CBB962.E50EFF50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [orca-list] I see some interesting Orca freezing with I don't possible reproducing always X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:01:29 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01CBB962.E50EFF50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, In Ubuntu Maverick I close Orca with orca -q when this happens. After = starting Orca again I can read the dialog box telling that OO has an = unexpected error and that the document will be saved. Still strange enough, when I downgrade to Orca 2.31.1, I just did once = more, I did not get this behaviour of OO. I close the document in = various way with Ctrl+W, Ctrl+Q, Alt+F4, File > Close and with no = problems. Milton ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Michael Whapples=20 To: Steve Holmes=20 Cc: orca-list@gnome.org=20 Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [orca-list] I see some interesting Orca freezing with I = don't possible reproducing always I have a feeling that what you observe with openoffice is a separate = matter. I sometimes get this and what I actually think is going on (from = the very little I can make out from the screen) is that there may be a = dialog there. If pressing enter resolves it, then it sounds like the = issue is very much related to this dialog appearing, as pressing enter = make the dialog go away for me. I believe that issue may have existed = for much, much longer and possibly is really an openoffice issue as = openoffice doesn't seem to be closing cleanly. I don't have a clue what = the dialog box says, but it appears after the main openoffice window has = shut. Michael Whapples On -10/01/37 20:59, Steve Holmes wrote:=20 I have a similar problem that happens when closing OOo applications = like Calc and Writer. It usually closes fine when I have debug on but = is more likely to occur when debug level is Off or Severe. I haven't = seen this for a while now on my desktop but I had it happen on my laptop = over the weekend and that is a brand new install of Gnome, Orca, and = Open Office 3.4 dev on my 64 bit box. I should clarify though that when I lose speech and just hit enter, = Orca comes back and I get dumped into the dialog one gets when you = choose Open Office from the start menu. Orca never aborts on me except = for losing speech when I exit the OOo application. On 01/20/2011 01:34 PM, Storm Dragon wrote:=20 Hi, this mostly happens for me in Evolution. I have been trying for a = debug.out but it seems to only happen when I am not in debug mode lol. Storm --=20 "with a trunk big enough to fit three bodies in" Calabrese Registered Linux user number 508465: http://counter.li.org/ My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: http://www.stormdragon.us/ Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stormdragon2976 =20 On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 18:19 -0200, Jos=E9 Vilmar Est=E1cio de = Souza wrote:=20 Hi Attila. Yes, I can confirm. Sometimes when I close an application Orca freezes. When I restart orca=20 pressing a short-cut key I hear orca say goodbye. On 01/20/2011 01:49 PM, Hammer Attila wrote: > Hy, > > Perhaps my system wrong (only yesterday I cleanup right the monday=20 > changed script files), I see some interesting Orca freezing after I=20 > closing an application. > This is I think begin happening after monday doed changes, but the=20 > problem I not possible tell an absolute sure reproducation step. > For example, if I some time closing Gedit, Orca is full silencing when = > I begin typing a terminal window, only Orca restart help. > > Some time when I jumping next unread message with a different folder,=20 > Orca not spokening the popup question, but not freezing. > Oldest time my machine Orca is some time freezing only if I closing=20 > Firefox 3.6 version, but I think this is a known issue, happened=20 > prewious mail changes in the list this problem related. > Anybody see interesting but not reproducable Orca freezing after=20 > monday doed changes? > > I doed following to prewent this problem: > 1. Remove entire the .local/share/orca/app-settings directory. > 2. Full uninstall Orca and remove the unneed=20 > /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca directory. > My orca-customizations.py file is not using the default script, only=20 > importing orca.speech, orca.braille, orca.input_event, orca.settings,=20 > orca.keybindings, orca.orca files. > All trying not help unfortunately. If not you wrote confirmation, I=20 > doing I think a reinstall, because my Lucid system is little old. > I no, master branch is master branch, some time unstable, but prewious = > I not see this type problem. :-):-) > Possible I missing a step with prewent this type problems? > > Attila > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at=20 > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at=20 > = http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual is at = http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions Netiquette Guidelines are at = http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp =20 _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual is at = http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions Netiquette Guidelines are at = http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual is at = http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions Netiquette Guidelines are at = http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01CBB962.E50EFF50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
In Ubuntu Maverick I close Orca with = orca -q when=20 this happens. After starting Orca again I can read the dialog box = telling that=20 OO has an unexpected error and that the document will be = saved.
Still strange enough, when I downgrade = to Orca=20 2.31.1, I just did once more, I did not get this behaviour of OO. I = close the=20 document in various way with Ctrl+W, Ctrl+Q, Alt+F4, File > Close and = with no=20 problems.
Milton
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Michael = Whapples
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 = 10:09=20 AM
Subject: Re: [orca-list] I see = some=20 interesting Orca freezing with I don't possible reproducing = always

I=20 have a feeling that what you observe with openoffice is a separate = matter. I=20 sometimes get this and what I actually think is going on (from the = very little=20 I can make out from the screen) is that there may be a dialog there. = If=20 pressing enter resolves it, then it sounds like the issue is very much = related=20 to this dialog appearing, as pressing enter make the dialog go away = for me. I=20 believe that issue may have existed for much, much longer and possibly = is=20 really an openoffice issue as openoffice doesn't seem to be closing = cleanly. I=20 don't have a clue what the dialog box says, but it appears after the = main=20 openoffice window has shut.

Michael Whapples
On -10/01/37 = 20:59,=20 Steve Holmes wrote:=20
I have a=20 similar problem that happens when closing OOo applications like Calc = and=20 Writer.  It usually closes fine when I have debug on but is = more likely=20 to occur when debug level is Off or Severe.  I haven't seen = this for a=20 while now on my desktop but I had it happen on my laptop over the = weekend=20 and that is a brand new install of Gnome, Orca, and Open Office 3.4 = dev on=20 my 64 bit box.

I should clarify though that when I lose = speech and=20 just hit enter, Orca comes back and I get dumped into the dialog one = gets=20 when you choose Open Office from the start menu.  Orca never = aborts on=20 me except for losing speech when I exit the OOo = application.

On=20 01/20/2011 01:34 PM, Storm Dragon wrote:=20
Hi,
this mostly happens for me in Evolution. I = have been=20 trying for a debug.out but it seems to only happen when I am not = in debug=20 mode lol.
Storm
-- 
"with a trunk big enough to fit three bodies in"
Calabrese
Registered Linux user number 508465:
http://counter.li.org/
My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon:
http://www.stormdragon.us/
Follow me on Twitter:
http://www.twitter.com/stormdragon2976


On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 18:19 = -0200,=20 Jos=E9 Vilmar Est=E1cio de Souza wrote:=20 
Hi Attila.
Yes, I can confirm.
Sometimes when I close an application Orca freezes. When I restart orca=20
pressing a short-cut key I hear orca say goodbye.

On 01/20/2011 01:49 PM, Hammer Attila wrote:
> Hy,
>
> Perhaps my system wrong (only yesterday I cleanup right the monday=20
> changed script files), I see some interesting Orca freezing after I =

> closing an application.
> This is I think begin happening after monday doed changes, but the=20
> problem I not possible tell an absolute sure reproducation step.
> For example, if I some time closing Gedit, Orca is full silencing =
when=20
> I begin typing a terminal window, only Orca restart help.
>
> Some time when I jumping next unread message with a different =
folder,=20
> Orca not spokening the popup question, but not freezing.
> Oldest time my machine Orca is some time freezing only if I closing =

> Firefox 3.6 version, but I think this is a known issue, happened=20
> prewious mail changes in the list this problem related.
> Anybody see interesting but not reproducable Orca freezing after=20
> monday doed changes?
>
> I doed following to prewent this problem:
> 1. Remove entire the .local/share/orca/app-settings directory.
> 2. Full uninstall Orca and remove the unneed=20
> /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca directory.
> My orca-customizations.py file is not using the default script, =
only=20
> importing orca.speech, orca.braille, orca.input_event, =
orca.settings,=20
> orca.keybindings, orca.orca files.
> All trying not help unfortunately. If not you wrote confirmation, I =

> doing I think a reinstall, because my Lucid system is little old.
> I no, master branch is master branch, some time unstable, but =
prewious=20
> I not see this type problem. :-):-)
> Possible I missing a step with prewent this type problems?
>
> Attila
> _______________________________________________
> orca-list mailing list
> orca-list@gnome.org
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Find out how = to help=20 at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01CBB962.E50EFF50-- From jason@jasonjgw.net Fri Jan 21 11:17:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64FBF7505C6 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:17:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.37 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.37 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL=1.31, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.001, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.982, TW_GD=0.077] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ITzNKGUBKKFk for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:17:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jdc.jasonjgw.net (ppp203-122-198-41.lns6.adl6.internode.on.net [203.122.198.41]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 864597500CB for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:17:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by jdc.jasonjgw.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C03E8180C5ABC; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 22:17:04 +1100 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=jasonjgw.net; s=mail; t=1295608624; bh=UH9hUxjuIga3Y88ubGpPm63ICR7VP6RFacqig3wWCRI=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:In-Reply-To; b=npytaTBHQs8f09An5lES5aCnsYFKlasW7e4XSXf4rquPXGl3Gf47/03VPpHPPnw1W N1zOOWGO4TgcXUbepLljw/yj+3Y/FmmL7mG/s685o4FXp8ueEMjSX6scO+N6gZLOmS yF8nTFElMrq1Dr1yIllHOfrI1KjiCiLBUQurUIVw= Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 22:17:04 +1100 From: Jason White To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110121111704.GA18906@jdc.jasonjgw.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D3866A0.8060006@aim.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D3866A0.8060006@aim.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] GDM issue with orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:17:17 -0000 Just another thought on this issue (see below): Michael Whapples wrote: > Now unfortunately this version of gdm in archlinux has issues with > orca. The problem is that when gdm appears and orca has loaded the > list for choosing a user does not speak or Braille anything. Is it possible that the list receives focus before Orca is ready to receive events from AT-SPI? If so, perhaps Orca could query the focus when it detects GDM upon startup. From mwhapples@aim.com Fri Jan 21 11:46:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17328750312 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:46:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5+u3hGGhKcu6 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:46:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (imr-mb01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.164]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5170750764 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:46:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mtaout-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.5]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p0LBkNtX026797 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 06:46:23 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (mwhapples.plus.com [80.229.137.216]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 3E7D2E0000AA for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 06:46:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4D3970BD.8040201@aim.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:40:45 +0000 From: Michael Whapples User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b8pre) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.3a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "orca-list@gnome.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:409273152:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29054d39720f74f0 X-AOL-IP: 80.229.137.216 Subject: [orca-list] orca locking up when openoffice closes X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:46:40 -0000 Hello, I have managed to get an orca debug file for when orca locks up when openoffice closes, see this bug report http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=640166. Probably the most interesting part of the debug output is: DEQUEUED WINDOW:DEACTIVATE <---------- vvvvv PROCESS OBJECT EVENT window:deactivate vvvvv OBJECT EVENT: window:deactivate detail=(0,0,Tactics in Rifle Shooting.doc - OpenOffice.org Writer) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mike/orca-dev/orca-install/lib/python2.7/site-packages/orca/event_manager.py", line 454, in _processObjectEvent state = event.source.getState() File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/pyatspi/accessible.py", line 238, in _inner raise LookupError(e) LookupError LookupError while processing event: window:deactivate LOCUS OF FOCUS: None event='window:deactivate' Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mike/orca-dev/orca-install/lib/python2.7/site-packages/orca/event_manager.py", line 236, in _dequeue self._processObjectEvent(event) File "/home/mike/orca-dev/orca-install/lib/python2.7/site-packages/orca/event_manager.py", line 460, in _processObjectEvent orca.setLocusOfFocus(event, None) File "/home/mike/orca-dev/orca-install/lib/python2.7/site-packages/orca/orca.py", line 652, in setLocusOfFocus event, oldLocusOfFocus, orca_state.locusOfFocus) File "/home/mike/orca-dev/orca-install/lib/python2.7/site-packages/orca/scripts/apps/soffice/script.py", line 1322, in locusOfFocusChanged details = debug.getAccessibleDetails(self.debugLevel, event.source) File "/home/mike/orca-dev/orca-install/lib/python2.7/site-packages/orca/debug.py", line 221, in getAccessibleDetails app = acc.getApplication() File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/pyatspi/accessible.py", line 617, in getApplication app = self._mix_getApplication() File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/pyatspi/accessible.py", line 238, in _inner raise LookupError(e) LookupError DEQUEUED WINDOW:ACTIVATE <---------- The thing most concerning to me is that we don't have the line which normally appears after an event is processed. This indicates to me that orca might be left in an inconsistent state. May be orca needs to handle this more gracefully. Michael Whapples From hammera@pickup.hu Fri Jan 21 13:06:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED0BE75072E for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:06:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3Rinm0dhk35j for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:06:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C89CE750277 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:06:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id 77321E845E for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:45:26 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D3984C3.3080002@pickup.hu> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:06:11 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D3970BD.8040201@aim.com> In-Reply-To: <4D3970BD.8040201@aim.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] orca locking up when openoffice closes X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:06:25 -0000 Michael, I see very similar traceback error messages with bug 640132, look my last comment. Attila From bmh1980de@yahoo.de Fri Jan 21 13:33:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98F89750746 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:33:26 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.989 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.989 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cnYjGSyqDASb for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:33:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm6-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm6-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.206]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 940ED750876 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:33:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.91.62] by nm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2011 13:33:12 -0000 Received: from [98.136.185.45] by tm2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2011 13:33:12 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2011 13:33:12 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.de; s=s1024; t=1295616792; bh=pot8IzXYjEBNI5n5LTUAw8ldy3aDj9FP75pmlY3vOlU=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=wGtmJ4CtaibGmuK53du0JSPg8QAblJWraFTHXBMV7CeIE+FUfSGrH9hrAO+1VVSMrxZZ/wpOqB8jpJRBKmuZaaVkdB2LfTxRQRZBX5LpfWxZYzUH1O81yu7s3jcLGGg/n4aBihbfyWZakQ9LEaCbNEtF0mmsI5eGoil11UBk2TQ= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 533409.19513.bm@smtp106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com Received: from [192.168.1.50] (bmh1980de@85.180.188.81 with plain) by smtp106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2011 05:33:12 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cp5ucI2swBDgt7JRmWe4v_wy5rFT5Q-- X-YMail-OSG: bjbsNzwVM1nJXkndm88u.iLxHx54MzR4cpDQt7s1MBcTd9v DUW3YKgfbGdjGuTHA66T5c7UsC1jA1qB37c2SdxyacDEJcJ9k5OL1hJW6iT6 iR2YjG8Tjd8k96hhKbsUjJKiVdtKXJw_w8whD4FYatKX3URhZTsm2KLLMFDI hmYTMvZNvWR9s9aEgsVdi5PAWMvL0Il7Fl1GKioQyf7ra6.3oW8YfyuDNfSq 6ue8De7y8Cnpw3F718avZwTr1.j9j4ecL5COcPCc41LwoTksvKEnaFUBaNja td7b8Dd8iXJsKi87d3gabfDqOLBqqQkb8Z0jRUvMHFnjzuW_jziPKHNwVT.O 0_wR8kYs1zawOPfxPFpCF X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4D398B16.1070309@yahoo.de> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:33:10 +0100 From: Marcus Habermehl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D3761B2.5070507@yahoo.de> <4D376A18.9070103@informal.com.br> In-Reply-To: <4D376A18.9070103@informal.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:33:26 -0000 Am 19.01.2011 23:47, schrieb JosĂŠ Vilmar EstĂĄcio de Souza: > Hi, > Using a laptop the orca key is the Caps lock. > Not very comfortable typing caps lock, f2 and ctrl, > However I've no better idea. > Thanks. Maybe after discussion we have a better solution. :-) Greetings Marcus From bmh1980de@yahoo.de Fri Jan 21 13:33:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A8EA750870 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:33:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.989 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.989 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=unavailable Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7SAI9rTxM54W for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:33:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.72]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6F7867508A1 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:33:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.91.64] by nm2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2011 13:33:23 -0000 Received: from [98.136.185.41] by tm4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2011 13:33:23 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2011 13:33:23 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.de; s=s1024; t=1295616803; bh=IJXl7ADioQYomdrPTBr7WbLmtfaRI3/Dulv4q1xVstQ=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=X8WcqV7cyMuiXmL9udcMxBVFMaTmYJ3Fzj/19zF01v7QY9fmYZuSgNm2/o4jSBH4BgjIE+cc0PfvwKDNGhRXxU4CGa6Fr5EtIsrPmnlrmade8gdT4HqiHBluU9BV0CRL9hkzQsd+ydvFP+g9qfl+Egfv+Jk/dO+wdZUpYs3+kIM= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 666989.38278.bm@smtp102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com Received: from [192.168.1.50] (bmh1980de@85.180.188.81 with plain) by smtp102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2011 05:33:23 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cp5ucI2swBDgt7JRmWe4v_wy5rFT5Q-- X-YMail-OSG: psI9dOkVM1kfyKD1h20UoSUE41W5wPZ3v2C8xb2Glvapkxb WOQd7bLcrBN9IPsuxOrRYfrL7lBien.xMqCTkWD9Gevj8yk_kWoKhc39Y5wn Bzfb3ilnJe7Jzq2dUiL0ynIr8xQdAokIL2HDzjj69ItCPIRdMVUkIJV97yC8 zyH7X0j6gPGUUdBCmCCWRHNqp40dFU68gapdm5GO8izWsvH_gOIyhY92d48g yN3cHRUDKOuk_RR0UQP_rqO6gh6mfdSdYB5LCRwbiRZ0_XWV3oFj_1oONMVy Iio78qogZLHF4B0aFCotnqtnWTBLmqjdmxWAGtJYwCjwxAzv9jtJrdPKfLum nFs.S8tsjXVlpOxraORL. X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4D398B21.1010801@yahoo.de> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:33:21 +0100 From: Marcus Habermehl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: joanied@gnome.org References: <4D3761B2.5070507@yahoo.de> <4D37AA47.80808@gnome.org> In-Reply-To: <4D37AA47.80808@gnome.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: orca-list Subject: Re: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:33:38 -0000 Am 20.01.2011 04:21, schrieb Joanmarie Diggs: > >> What is your opinion on the object types and the shortcuts? > > The original plan was to make all structural navigation objects > accessible via a list, and also make the presentation similar so that > what a user found when navigating amongst objects (especially form > fields and their labels) matched with what was found in the lists. It > sounds like your solution may be different. Whether or not that matters > is something I'll leave open for discussion. Okay, the lists aren't supporting all objects, yet. But the presentation is already as with structural navigation. Except for the links. I think the splitting between visited and unvisited links useless. Who should know which link he have visited and which link not? I have no problem to make separated lists. Important to me is that there is a link list without splitting. And in the lists I have added two additional types of objects. The clickable objects and frames. I found pages where 'visual' buttons in truth, paragraphs, sections, or images with an onclick attribute. Or on Flash movies this can happen. Easy to navigate between frames I find quite helpful. For example, in older pages, the navigation bar with links and the main part is separated with frames. But what I didnÄt understand: Why should we move between separators? If you need this really? Last night I had a few ideas to the lists. How about to use, for example, instead of separate dialogs with lists, a pop-up menu? As it has previously used the extension for Firefox. Greetings Marcus From bmh1980de@yahoo.de Fri Jan 21 13:33:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2359C7508A3 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:33:47 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.989 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.989 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id si0Eej1tKMFa for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:33:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm27.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm27.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.97]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4C124750FF6 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:33:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.91.70] by nm27.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2011 13:33:33 -0000 Received: from [98.136.185.42] by tm10.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2011 13:33:33 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2011 13:33:33 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.de; s=s1024; t=1295616813; bh=qbbMd70Gzq6/3Mz3YeiUoRQBpmWn9D15IZxrDCTLvXM=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4J4jcFfHUhzbQPYj8K0Xe2dPwYoDYJuaUHDQuX7thiWkp8Jmk1W119q3kEMHHQeqaX5TvXnBnZaokFixdDHO/yEp3fHfgHT9dbySMSdF5ytNsf1QA/gY0EjPib5wLhlDE7qRKxjPWjWEBq2GcjnJIbTKXw5laAxYcOjKVNfmTFU= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 567511.95664.bm@smtp103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com Received: from [192.168.1.50] (bmh1980de@85.180.188.81 with plain) by smtp103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2011 05:33:33 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cp5ucI2swBDgt7JRmWe4v_wy5rFT5Q-- X-YMail-OSG: 10_ovhIVM1nkJ3mtk9lo.aqXr6fHFwFvMlHWPLt5Gjc4mgL 4O1LGMkkAIot3rciWj3bal8CVMQ1.U80GGoJRaruB7Sh4MpPOCnvnJRsoqzw ztxJ1zwvu8c34I2EErzbcbWmB0JBtWRfarXHdCekbii29O5I.2cMm35ZGV_o wuOilvAzf_GRUlRZmlTnzTGcFPRdniHK2De5U_zY8PObo4dQ2976PLgdCOLA eq4LWi5oBoNrMOe0zHiKsfeSkDvYzDYEkoWpcj_Y3ZardgaIk5QgPLzBrymZ SS_nmkzdlLrFc3k9zqF5.hKKMushILKOKl.Ggbe91segr91cXuIxvIg1zHxz U_yUTrIDgNkHpS6n8snf2UKZg4PpOJEtsL8RQvw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4D398B2B.4030607@yahoo.de> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:33:31 +0100 From: Marcus Habermehl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D3761B2.5070507@yahoo.de> <4D37AA47.80808@gnome.org> <20110120043847.GB12357@jdc.jasonjgw.net> In-Reply-To: <20110120043847.GB12357@jdc.jasonjgw.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:33:47 -0000 Am 20.01.2011 05:38, schrieb Jason White: > Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >> >>> What is your opinion on the object types and the shortcuts? >> >> The original plan was to make all structural navigation objects >> accessible via a list, and also make the presentation similar so >> that what a user found when navigating amongst objects (especially >> form fields and their labels) matched with what was found in the >> lists. It sounds like your solution may be different. Whether or not >> that matters is something I'll leave open for discussion. > > I like the idea of Joanie's solution as described above. > > As for the key bindings, it might be best to have a prefix key which accesses > the list options, followed by a mnemonic key (the same as that used in > structural navigation, by default) to choose the type of list. > > Thus, for example, suppose we used shift-ctrl-l as the prefix, the list of > headings would be shift-ctrl-l h. > > the shift-ctrl-l is just an example, not a proposal. Currently I'm creating a list with keybindings for structural navigation in Orca and Jaws. Maybe I can find a good answer to the shortcut question. Greetings Marcus From bmh1980de@yahoo.de Fri Jan 21 13:33:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 827CF751020 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:33:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.989 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.989 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JA9zW4Rb1PYf for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:33:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm7.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm7.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.77]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1981475102E for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:33:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.91.70] by nm7.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2011 13:33:40 -0000 Received: from [98.136.185.42] by tm10.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2011 13:33:40 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2011 13:33:40 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.de; s=s1024; t=1295616820; bh=+6sxtoBpFrjuSfPr2kJ2tkcLfec0IxTxbJ53IshxEFM=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=iYcS/UF9/oeJz++MK+f42QhwU9gSrdj+x7O0OO9O0qQ2aruhsSP+ucreBY2jvy2j1/H6hySY2gcTk91UuaZdFduvhx8JBTrKlAkv+uiBvbd4foWB02LBYhMk4cq+GthS1djcvDVAR746vgIwONToZgpRhO+Cea94LDfwI8Q8Yhw= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 181262.95685.bm@smtp103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com Received: from [192.168.1.50] (bmh1980de@85.180.188.81 with plain) by smtp103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2011 05:33:39 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cp5ucI2swBDgt7JRmWe4v_wy5rFT5Q-- X-YMail-OSG: OnLS65cVM1n90jpbKE3cEBSe6y8kmQvHIDwa3HUCuFblJEK JoxDw_QgD_2IOy9HR.U7be9zyfswe9Cd_8q0jTMHtR8wJE6sfbRE4YxeMzEK wTfqrq9pzWzsfkqFhcHCnXEH4R2PCCzh4n5JIVQ.Pm7uVf_oLbxpq1ymawA0 nwm71Ex4mSJ7yamUQCdWSncgBHGNhAtn2jQRkIn0PytoLp1n7tN1aL3LADGw EOcdkG1JZEPGvLhj7iNrLGnX4JXv_Cgybn6HRePGPqhJ2jR8kw_ZHfJs0nUe 1ClgS7sjUpV5OoGqqUCCfh.LroD9Za1s9hbyZ5oDDwKPnGTSfWgUPFj9pgaA .f8OGCKI1F1NKCvm0hu2i.w-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4D398B32.2040504@yahoo.de> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:33:38 +0100 From: Marcus Habermehl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D3761B2.5070507@yahoo.de> <4D37AA47.80808@gnome.org> <20110120043847.GB12357@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <20110120065137.GA24412@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> In-Reply-To: <20110120065137.GA24412@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:33:53 -0000 Am 20.01.2011 07:51, schrieb Steve Holmes: > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 03:38:47PM +1100, Jason White wrote: >> Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >>> >>>> What is your opinion on the object types and the shortcuts? >>> >>> The original plan was to make all structural navigation objects >>> accessible via a list, and also make the presentation similar so >>> that what a user found when navigating amongst objects (especially >>> form fields and their labels) matched with what was found in the >>> lists. It sounds like your solution may be different. Whether or not >>> that matters is something I'll leave open for discussion. >> >> I like the idea of Joanie's solution as described above. >> >> As for the key bindings, it might be best to have a prefix key which accesses >> the list options, followed by a mnemonic key (the same as that used in >> structural navigation, by default) to choose the type of list. >> >> Thus, for example, suppose we used shift-ctrl-l as the prefix, the list of >> headings would be shift-ctrl-l h. >> >> the shift-ctrl-l is just an example, not a proposal. > > Yes, I think I prefer this approach too. The original proposal would > gobble up at least 7 valuable keys in one shot. I for one, don't use > lists much so would rather have those keys available for other future > uses. Of course, others may want these lists but that's where > Joanie's idea appears more appropriate to me. Now I am a bit confused. joanie, we are talking of different lists, or a single list, as it is in my patch with Orca+Ctrl+F8? Greetings Marcus From bmh1980de@yahoo.de Fri Jan 21 13:33:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F5F07508A5 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:33:59 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.989 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.989 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KXZ-kyBy7KGC for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:33:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm29.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm29.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.99]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 22C7475104F for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:33:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.91.66] by nm29.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2011 13:33:47 -0000 Received: from [98.136.185.41] by tm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2011 13:33:47 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2011 13:33:47 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.de; s=s1024; t=1295616827; bh=MdDasiQ4Azzn1mLv6bfJcTOlh2IXBlSWY6DO4GgdqmU=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UVrCeZuPxzXWsXkcN7M8jDQNwDQFvQnqyRMlXEsRNBGjnUr72lqFjDryQ+kWf2L03HX6VN4SyycDEsMDkfnO/KW2fVKsdC4QBv2hsqKHUcnPbUOkOIdGVcsK0TXGCETGsp1uq/fXcuZzApFWY/zyMKUfke+rcf+OH0gf0rDQDf4= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 167487.38318.bm@smtp102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com Received: from [192.168.1.50] (bmh1980de@85.180.188.81 with plain) by smtp102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2011 05:33:46 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cp5ucI2swBDgt7JRmWe4v_wy5rFT5Q-- X-YMail-OSG: 48HT7N4VM1ny4i5nufgagIXtlR2fKvASUWzPAtpmSSkbBlS L9BBWuk_Lg6N3cKdh2StFhbuj_BZpSTG0KKNIdgAFetPuC.55x37eEY06Ufu Nd.jPpb6OZ_nMnPEl3aSKD08Y2zjDWMeQbXNs.7iRHITJR1K_S96TOy3rCXQ qBdcN6emTlUH28QKWtLrOjoPD2dhVXt8i5XG2K1dvuoOlN5DDtNNM20jT8_U SkY0BthY47VpAgEWvE8cx7M4usE5NoRS_Ur2EZqNZoc.J79Nue5SPrz04_V3 fjSwnkCz5RHar9LdHnEcsbAM.XgNVFX_fENDvU_Dasu8HuoPBII_rr9BQoQy bqc6wwbDMv5K6deWQJhwc X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4D398B39.1040705@yahoo.de> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:33:45 +0100 From: Marcus Habermehl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D3761B2.5070507@yahoo.de> <4D37AA47.80808@gnome.org> <20110120043847.GB12357@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <20110120065137.GA24412@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> <4D37E4B2.6010404@pickup.hu> In-Reply-To: <4D37E4B2.6010404@pickup.hu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:33:59 -0000 Am 20.01.2011 08:30, schrieb Hammer Attila: > Hy, > > I think some time the single list possibility is practical, because if > have lot of objects have a page, the one list generation with containing > all objects is slower with requesting a single list with containing real > the need object. I think this is not Marcus mistake (slow large list > generation), this is depending webpage containing lot of objects or not. > So I think absolute not matter to have both two possibility, but this is > only my openion. If more people would like only one list with containing > all HTML objects with a treeview structure, I agree this, For example I > very often using single links list if I would like asking only links. I think the "all objects" list from the last patch is very fast (~ 3 seconds). Sure, some pages with many objects are creating a slower list (~ 10 seconds). This can't be avoided, however. All people I know would prefer different lists. The "all in one" list would be good if you search for example "Logout" but you don't know if it's a link, a button, an image or anything else. > With shortcuts related: > Marcus doed alphabetical order is logical. I suggest only replacing list > of frames and list of form fields keybindings if the tree table all > navigable HTML object style list and single objects list both acceptable > the community. Of course if have more community persons acceptable > different keystrokes, not matter if keybindings is changed, the purpose > both two keyboard layout this keystrokes are easy to press. :-):-) > Need founding keybindings with more acceptable the community, because if > have a final keymap, but if the user want changing this keystrokes, need > changing this keystrokes with all supported structural navigation Orca > application-specific preferences. This feature now supporting following > applications if I remember right: > - Firefox, > - Thunderbird, > - Yelp, > - Openoffice.org Writer and Libreoffice Writer. > So, if this feature keybindings is not acceptable an user, need changing > this keystrokes with five application-specific preference file (remove > old keystrokes, bound new keystrokes, apply the preferences with > application to application). If all structural navigation objects should be accessible with a list, I would prefer to use shortcuts using the normal structural navigation with one or (if required) two additional keys, like Jason's proposal. Greetings Marcus From bmh1980de@yahoo.de Fri Jan 21 13:34:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CBFF751020 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:34:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.989 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.989 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4Zds9BiiLq3G for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:34:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm12-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm12-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.242]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E35EF751056 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:33:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.91.69] by nm12.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2011 13:33:53 -0000 Received: from [98.136.185.43] by tm9.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2011 13:33:53 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp104.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2011 13:33:53 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.de; s=s1024; t=1295616833; bh=DuoFdyctTrGktE/RMrLqt0g4VH+0yjTxm3ch1HHFRpQ=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=qeibz65q8QJQCcxMySWYrwu0rP1+DZLRf2A5ylSG7mFLd1Rwp9X5ajPljTq8Mvs1HTzNYg+LvHmeYI0rAFvpRE95gC+4cAKLnFDM5WDysCcwa5a0L2aQULVbpmIovmBBaj2GRP0wyZU6aWdquj0iSdEOPhwE1fU9GcJwfcAwJ6M= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 801567.61900.bm@smtp104.mail.gq1.yahoo.com Received: from [192.168.1.50] (bmh1980de@85.180.188.81 with plain) by smtp104.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2011 05:33:53 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cp5ucI2swBDgt7JRmWe4v_wy5rFT5Q-- X-YMail-OSG: r2y4lQoVM1nurynLbJKq9fNBML8Yrer1Z8wZTYvl_ofIK_S zMHgCgFijZwXA8HEPxE89dcomBxiohqbQjJINA.J5f8ZefAlZ0UgCYhRfa41 JaCZ25nCHe.id6ILaS4ID8okK53unkx.3WDQ12zf2IbjHvcjAlM4Ky7VRt0U hpyI2DBdm92AFxSuo4iQ__iXpeRjGDq87nyBO5ys3_ouAFm3d_NCreeeOMzP Hy2D0PJL8MEBzuXRf1btiRrfKg_I_nV8jOMlqFpNFdmiitkPiPN0jug1czsx RWBUR8L72lpx1xn13EB_ySzvNcyIfI_HKk5TCAWmo8m9W8MzrWiRqILQuP4o hQruKoK29Fg8Ge5LAllpC X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4D398B3F.60105@yahoo.de> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:33:51 +0100 From: Marcus Habermehl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D3761B2.5070507@yahoo.de> <4D37AA47.80808@gnome.org> <20110120043847.GB12357@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <20110120065137.GA24412@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:34:06 -0000 Am 20.01.2011 14:15, schrieb Geoff Shang: > Hi, > > I'm very new to Orca, so will keep my comments to a minimum. But you > may want to look at what's been done in NVDA. You only have one dialog > box there and select the type of element to look at. You can also enter > in a search string to narrow down the list. I wouldn't take the way of NVDA as a good example. NVDA lists only three types of objects, one of which was always empty in my tests. We should prefer commercial screen readers such as Jaws or Hal/Dolphin as an example. I think they are the best known on Windows. Firstly, the developers will have something in mind for their solution and on the other a similar behavior makes it easier to change between Windows and GNOME. Both have separate lists. Hal/Dolphin represents those lists in one window but distributed to different tabs in a notebook. JAWS on the other hand, uses different windows. Greetings Marcus From hammera@pickup.hu Fri Jan 21 14:46:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F05C975087F for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:46:22 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N5aLPMMLfoSH for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:46:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B76D07506EC for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:46:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id 2B7DBE81B9 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:25:24 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D399C31.9000900@pickup.hu> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 15:46:09 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; hu; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D3761B2.5070507@yahoo.de> <4D37AA47.80808@gnome.org> <20110120043847.GB12357@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <20110120065137.GA24412@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> <4D398B3F.60105@yahoo.de> In-Reply-To: <4D398B3F.60105@yahoo.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:46:23 -0000 Hy, Marcus, you are right, sorry. I doed now speed tests again, for example with www.oc.hu and http://vakbarat.index.hu webpage not have speed differences with single list and all objects list (oldest list name is HTML Object Navigator list), both two list generated I think 4 second. Your popup menu ydea is very good I think if we not want reserve more shortcuts with single lists (if single lists is final need). This is works similar? 1. For example the user pressing a hotkey, an example is Orca+Ctrl+F8. 2. Similar context menu is displaying: "List of clickable objects list of frames List of form fields List of headings List of links List all objects" All menu items have mnemonic key, and if user press a menu item mnemonic, final presenting the requested list. Attila From joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Fri Jan 21 15:03:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35A70750615 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 15:03:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OZNge1zbOAKJ for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 15:03:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qy0-f175.google.com (mail-qy0-f175.google.com [209.85.216.175]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 257D975022E for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 15:03:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk8 with SMTP id 8so605921qyk.6 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:03:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent :mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=u/KeNIcTRspyN5MhrBB036aU1uXZP2BVHuRFGa74qRQ=; b=iclJEW3LHhEaI7iAIeGtDt7KcPL58dbA6f94jqtdPmFFogDm0ACfDF/F+JW8b+Njdz dHLeL4XvSIkH6tl4ZsaAsfHrnZkQwaeRIzeZzlwgpBjKInZN+Pazeeu+gSWtGWtBk82s g54Q0yzs42CcpHZh2wDfwqDpQkXT7PPiHh9f0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=f6KgRaeuHhsPdlNHcBXF5gcbUvtPcGJGi0LxgAX1DwhVXa6gR+Vwt9zd5m/ddDW78q W0zzvOaZ9gH2XRlrfRevLC0Aup974/lW/M2JKfTWwdA7ZgafrNmIZVYbPlTDTI/SaY4J rcwy1CInzp1Q4OEbaeFDj+/SovwHHux3M3KzU= Received: by 10.224.89.85 with SMTP id d21mr745800qam.162.1295622208223; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:03:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.35.105] (c-98-217-239-60.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [98.217.239.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g28sm6653635qck.13.2011.01.21.07.03.26 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:03:27 -0800 (PST) Sender: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <4D39A042.4020300@gnome.org> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 10:03:30 -0500 From: Joanmarie Diggs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b10pre) Gecko/20110120 Thunderbird/3.3a3pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hammer Attila References: <4D385981.30206@pickup.hu> <4D3898C8.1040001@informal.com.br> <1295555668.2545.1.camel@stormdragon-laptop> <4D38F539.50206@gnome.org> <4D38F9BF.2000104@gnome.org> <4D39086A.6030305@gnome.org> <4D3923C4.3020503@pickup.hu> <4D392716.4030801@gnome.org> <4D393810.7090201@pickup.hu> In-Reply-To: <4D393810.7090201@pickup.hu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Ha! Got it!! X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: joanied@gnome.org List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 15:03:40 -0000 Hey Attila. > Joanie, unfortunately I am happy possible earli. Well, we're getting the issues resolved slowly but surely, which is a good thing. Besides, the fact that I completely ripped apart and redid the script management and event management and we're only seeing these occasional issues is also a good thing. > I hope only I need a full system reinstall and this problem is fixed > another persons. You don't need a full system reinstall. We just need to keep tracking these issues down and fixing them. Take care. --joanie From steve.holmes88@gmail.com Fri Jan 21 15:33:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4C8475022E; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 15:33:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.137 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.137 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=1.553, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6LTDE-cQbrRF; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 15:33:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C51975008A; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 15:33:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws9 with SMTP id 9so739539vws.27 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:33:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=VSOn19A6A+ys6vir9AOLX8hsDU9y/cFY6fF1Z2KEjxI=; b=aSC4dh2GWrRgpIwSzaC0I/z9/zkhrQnUnQEoGXGtwjjLZ6XUnD3goZKpzsKBq3cUWl clda4couAzGTXXZf/RAk6deQWPehwG67L+v9lM+cVfL5kocX/MiFamAeH04pdgfYosIf lrp0FHsfQHLZQEUgCW4gKBKo0mdp0Ecb8HVpQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; b=AqIrMHKroqvIfo+DDLp19oflyKXFSOmQq3LB9DbxudcNdoTFDC3Jlt4LAfbBy6dZUn mTCxVMcw+V5JrvepnBOUXvauwBshgE+Rzyql2pMLylA/ATK0zeBy/pD+G7bX8HiEIqpJ rDcjipD0U6GZamHWpLnp1mJAs7FYDEwfLptF4= Received: by 10.220.191.131 with SMTP id dm3mr215094vcb.6.1295623989281; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:33:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from lnx3.holmesgrown.com (ip72-208-185-148.ph.ph.cox.net [72.208.185.148]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h18sm3095555vbr.4.2011.01.21.07.33.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:33:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 08:33:03 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: orca-devel-list@gnome.org, orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110121153303.GA633@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Mail-Followup-To: orca-devel-list@gnome.org, orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110120151058.GA26759@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] [orca-devel] Structural navigation of OOo writer documents. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 15:33:24 -0000 Yeah, I sure ned to get a better handle on the use of accerciser. The last time I was in there, I found so many unlabeled sections I couldn't figure out how to get much out of it. A long time ago I was able to track some events in gedit but when I was messing with Firefox recently, I was in the events screen and there were multiple nodes in the tree that weren't labeled so I got lost in there. I haven't messed with OOo and accerciser yet. I hope the picture will be clearer. On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 02:15:53PM +0530, Dattatray Bhat wrote: > Thanks, Steve, Joanie! > Happy to assist in whatever ways I can. To begin, as suggested by Joanie, I > intend to check (with Accerciser) if OOo and LibreOffice are exposing the > right information to us. > Regards. > _______________________________________________ > orca-devel-list mailing list > orca-devel-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-devel-list From steve.holmes88@gmail.com Fri Jan 21 15:38:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABD4A750260 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 15:38:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.137 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.137 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=1.553, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Msh7ivUHbNPA for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 15:38:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DFDD75022E for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 15:38:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwj21 with SMTP id 21so569650gwj.27 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:38:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=jwu5sat3fRmIRXKUkU0VYKbQuIhP6f7pQalK4qyiI6g=; b=Q/CXA3xOnYq1uijk0qEG8gX4wi+vVDQhywml05a95TMpMBZjBqhPQ901E9SF5jndIh qPpc7/2IGw7DkLVuMrL8PXMS0Dqq0V6dDawBZJjVvyFlG+J3UBtzZkpdb2F9cmaf1n1D Oe+APgqVTMfa9ZO8gCG6hL2rnHYaUyaNDEK/M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=heFVMBXNw+O/SatGn3N5KtJW1AC7fP7vfHP9i+8A9fQpxaLuUk2X34GBgwYUU1PQYG RljPgt481niPloYQyVq9qRtwaFawXY+v0Xm8DyOjLwkfZcVS71GVbfJdOM3dvpEsIl4i Sn+AYdTTRkoVjownyzPfYVd0V/dRW5b/bYdEU= Received: by 10.42.240.133 with SMTP id la5mr935789icb.327.1295624316155; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:38:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from lnx3.holmesgrown.com (ip72-208-185-148.ph.ph.cox.net [72.208.185.148]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u5sm7134151ics.6.2011.01.21.07.38.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:38:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 08:38:30 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110121153830.GB633@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D385981.30206@pickup.hu> <4D3898C8.1040001@informal.com.br> <1295555668.2545.1.camel@stormdragon-laptop> <4D38F027.3070507@gmail.com> <4D394D59.3000601@aim.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <4D394D59.3000601@aim.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] I see some interesting Orca freezing with I don't possible reproducing always X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 15:38:52 -0000 I figured it was some kind of error dialog too but Orca should speak this dialog like all others. On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 09:09:45AM +0000, Michael Whapples wrote: > I have a feeling that what you observe with openoffice is a separate > matter. I sometimes get this and what I actually think is going on > (from the very little I can make out from the screen) is that there > may be a dialog there. If pressing enter resolves it, then it sounds > like the issue is very much related to this dialog appearing, as > pressing enter make the dialog go away for me. I believe that issue > may have existed for much, much longer and possibly is really an > openoffice issue as openoffice doesn't seem to be closing cleanly. I > don't have a clue what the dialog box says, but it appears after the > main openoffice window has shut. > > Michael Whapples > On -10/01/37 20:59, Steve Holmes wrote: > >I have a similar problem that happens when closing OOo > >applications like Calc and Writer. It usually closes fine when I > >have debug on but is more likely to occur when debug level is Off > >or Severe. I haven't seen this for a while now on my desktop but > >I had it happen on my laptop over the weekend and that is a brand > >new install of Gnome, Orca, and Open Office 3.4 dev on my 64 bit > >box. > > > >I should clarify though that when I lose speech and just hit > >enter, Orca comes back and I get dumped into the dialog one gets > >when you choose Open Office from the start menu. Orca never > >aborts on me except for losing speech when I exit the OOo > >application. > > > >On 01/20/2011 01:34 PM, Storm Dragon wrote: > >>Hi, > >>this mostly happens for me in Evolution. I have been trying for > >>a debug.out but it seems to only happen when I am not in debug > >>mode lol. > >>Storm > >>-- > >>"with a trunk big enough to fit three bodies in" > >>Calabrese > >>Registered Linux user number 508465: > >>http://counter.li.org/ > >>My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: > >>http://www.stormdragon.us/ > >>Follow me on Twitter: > >>http://www.twitter.com/stormdragon2976 > >> > >> > >>On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 18:19 -0200, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: > >>>Hi Attila. > >>>Yes, I can confirm. > >>>Sometimes when I close an application Orca freezes. When I restart orca > >>>pressing a short-cut key I hear orca say goodbye. > >>> > >>>On 01/20/2011 01:49 PM, Hammer Attila wrote: > >>>> Hy, > >>>> > >>>> Perhaps my system wrong (only yesterday I cleanup right the monday > >>>> changed script files), I see some interesting Orca freezing after I > >>>> closing an application. > >>>> This is I think begin happening after monday doed changes, but the > >>>> problem I not possible tell an absolute sure reproducation step. > >>>> For example, if I some time closing Gedit, Orca is full silencing when > >>>> I begin typing a terminal window, only Orca restart help. > >>>> > >>>> Some time when I jumping next unread message with a different folder, > >>>> Orca not spokening the popup question, but not freezing. > >>>> Oldest time my machine Orca is some time freezing only if I closing > >>>> Firefox 3.6 version, but I think this is a known issue, happened > >>>> prewious mail changes in the list this problem related. > >>>> Anybody see interesting but not reproducable Orca freezing after > >>>> monday doed changes? > >>>> > >>>> I doed following to prewent this problem: > >>>> 1. Remove entire the .local/share/orca/app-settings directory. > >>>> 2. Full uninstall Orca and remove the unneed > >>>> /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/orca directory. > >>>> My orca-customizations.py file is not using the default script, only > >>>> importing orca.speech, orca.braille, orca.input_event, orca.settings, > >>>> orca.keybindings, orca.orca files. > >>>> All trying not help unfortunately. If not you wrote confirmation, I > >>>> doing I think a reinstall, because my Lucid system is little old. > >>>> I no, master branch is master branch, some time unstable, but prewious > >>>> I not see this type problem. :-):-) > >>>> Possible I missing a step with prewent this type problems? > >>>> > >>>> Attila > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> orca-list mailing list > >>>> orca-list@gnome.org > >>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > >>>> The manual is at > >>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > >>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > >>>> Netiquette Guidelines are at > >>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > >>>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org > >>>> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > >>>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>orca-list mailing list > >>>orca-list@gnome.org > >>>http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>>Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > >>>The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > >>>The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > >>>Netiquette Guidelines are athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > >>>Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org > >>>Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>orca-list mailing list > >>orca-list@gnome.org > >>http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > >>The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > >>The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > >>Netiquette Guidelines are athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > >>Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org > >>Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From steve.holmes88@gmail.com Fri Jan 21 15:42:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2784775087E for ; 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charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110121094547.GA14902@jdc.jasonjgw.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] I see some interesting Orca freezing with I don't possible reproducing always X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 15:42:05 -0000 The only a11y related thing I recall for OpenOffice has something to do with allowing the cursor to be tracked in read-only documents. I completely forgot to look at that when installing it on my laptop the other day but I haven't read any read-only documents in some time. On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 08:45:47PM +1100, Jason White wrote: > Michael Whapples wrote: > > That isn't needed in Linux, it doesn't use the java access API, it > > directly makes use of ATK/at-spi. In fact I cannot find the option > > you mention for enabling accessibility in the linux version. > > That's correct. > > All it needs is the Gnome support, which some distributions package > separately. The Java accessibility dependency went away a long time ago, which > is good news - it removes a lot of unnecessary complexity. > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From trev.saunders@gmail.com Fri Jan 21 15:50:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91B6F75087E; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 15:50:27 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qImz9WkWyAES; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 15:50:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA45C75022E; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 15:50:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk36 with SMTP id 36so1957053qyk.6 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:50:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=s508IOR8LPba72lA4WnwPok+r14iaXYw1Q6FjypQKos=; b=fKINoN2zYsWOqLvK2ni57yLwURAGx0aGNZRSIO4Fa/MIykBbi0VdKaFr2QBJaLdivN euAnWaBe3NBwsxPIBQjtukipfmx3/ceGJC7nwbgNWadBXfQynAdyf5NgT0oS/GcN9RHg o0OIf2uysxWh/RdC5VBzk0Ak2TKCnCui0Vnsc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=rfWwG+Lqytlth6d3KaqAvWmounCg/1Js1oihk80N5yqi3sK9U5BA7BpKjJ0mONiXrK nT4TtWP8ZR7wCFPxeLHgFIUcmphXbaTlqf5tGAkA90VP91sEWEbqP58hMP1trFyto4DR K4FZ0XvU7pfYaSygL4Cqtsvxiu2XV9CYEQnfg= Received: by 10.224.60.210 with SMTP id q18mr744616qah.245.1295625014791; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:50:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from football.tbsaunde.org (TREVTOP2W.WV.CC.CMU.EDU [128.237.248.202]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t7sm6693624qcs.40.2011.01.21.07.50.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:50:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 10:48:51 -0500 From: Trevor Saunders To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110121154851.GA14508@football.tbsaunde.org> References: <20110120151058.GA26759@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> <20110121153303.GA633@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110121153303.GA633@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: orca-devel-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] [orca-devel] Structural navigation of OOo writer documents. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 15:50:27 -0000 --MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I've found accerciser to be nice for some things, but I often find writing little one use bits of python to be easier. I also have some general useful python scripts like atspimon.py which lives in the UiaAtkBridge repo, and a little script to dump the _whole_ accessible tree out to a file. Trev On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 08:33:03AM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote: > Yeah, I sure ned to get a better handle on the use of accerciser. The > last time I was in there, I found so many unlabeled sections I > couldn't figure out how to get much out of it. A long time ago I was > able to track some events in gedit but when I was messing with Firefox > recently, I was in the events screen and there were multiple nodes in > the tree that weren't labeled so I got lost in there. I haven't > messed with OOo and accerciser yet. I hope the picture will be > clearer. >=20 > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 02:15:53PM +0530, Dattatray Bhat wrote: > > Thanks, Steve, Joanie! > > Happy to assist in whatever ways I can. To begin, as suggested by Joani= e, I > > intend to check (with Accerciser) if OOo and LibreOffice are exposing t= he > > right information to us. > > Regards. >=20 > > _______________________________________________ > > orca-devel-list mailing list > > orca-devel-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-devel-list >=20 > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightl= y/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQu= estions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp --MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; 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charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D398B3F.60105@yahoo.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:10:21 -0000 We've had the comparison issues between screen readers in the past. I don't want to see Orca implement something just because Jaws has it, nor do I want something to be implemented like jaws just just because some people in windows use jaws. I for one, don't do jaws and have no intentions of doing so. If it just so happens that a feature is well implemented in jaws, then do it; otherwise, if there is a better way, I would rather see that instead. In the case of all these lists for different HTML widgets, I think the treeview approach wouldn't be so bad but at the very least, I like the idea of a two letter command to pop them up. this way, you don't lose so many hot keys right off the bat for a single feature. The first letter of the two-letter command could open the single dialog for HTML widgets which could actually be a treeview. Then the second letter would corespond to the types of elements we now have for structural navigation but also take you to the matching node in this tree. This way, if one didn't know all the possible element types, you could brows this treeview and subsequently learn the shortcuts to get to these nodes directly in the future. So this way, you have the treeview approach but commands to take you to separate lists. Oh, I also see little value in differentiating between visited and unvisited links I would just soon find the next link regardless of visited or not. Actually, with my suggested deal above, it wouldn't matter if you included these separate lists. After all, it might as well be consistent with the available structural navigation commands we now have. Hope this all makes sense. On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 02:33:51PM +0100, Marcus Habermehl wrote: > Am 20.01.2011 14:15, schrieb Geoff Shang: > > Hi, > > > > I'm very new to Orca, so will keep my comments to a minimum. But you > > may want to look at what's been done in NVDA. You only have one dialog > > box there and select the type of element to look at. You can also enter > > in a search string to narrow down the list. > > I wouldn't take the way of NVDA as a good example. NVDA lists only three > types of objects, one of which was always empty in my tests. > > We should prefer commercial screen readers such as Jaws or Hal/Dolphin > as an example. I think they are the best known on Windows. > > Firstly, the developers will have something in mind for their solution > and on the other a similar behavior makes it easier to change between > Windows and GNOME. > > Both have separate lists. Hal/Dolphin represents those lists in one > window but distributed to different tabs in a notebook. JAWS on the > other hand, uses different windows. > > Greetings > Marcus > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From albert.e.sten_clanton@verizon.net Fri Jan 21 18:34:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB9967510BB for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 18:34:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RFC_ABUSE_POST=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1q1bYDlTV98h for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 18:34:54 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 3615 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 18:34:54 UTC Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 563E37505CD for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 18:34:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.5.100] ([unknown] [96.233.21.203]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0LFD00KWFVGUJC70@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:34:07 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4D39C38B.9060103@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 12:34:03 -0500 From: Al Sten-Clanton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D3761B2.5070507@yahoo.de> <4D37AA47.80808@gnome.org> <20110120043847.GB12357@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <20110120065137.GA24412@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> <4D398B3F.60105@yahoo.de> <20110121161003.GD633@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> In-reply-to: <20110121161003.GD633@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 18:34:58 -0000 I'm inclined to agree with much of what Steve says. I may value the distinction between visited and unvisited links more than he does, though, as it can sometimes help you skip a bunch of links on a page with a lot of them. (Of course,the find command can do that, but only if you remember exactly what the link's label is--or enough of it to make it unique. Al On 1/21/2011 11:10 AM, Steve Holmes wrote: > We've had the comparison issues between screen readers in the past. I > don't want to see Orca implement something just because Jaws has it, > nor do I want something to be implemented like jaws just just because some > people in windows use jaws. I for one, don't do jaws and have no > intentions of doing so. If it just so happens that a feature is well > implemented in jaws, then do it; otherwise, if there is a better way, > I would rather see that instead. In the case of all these lists for > different HTML widgets, I think the treeview approach wouldn't be so > bad but at the very least, I like the idea of a two letter command to > pop them up. this way, you don't lose so many hot keys right off the > bat for a single feature. The first letter of the two-letter command > could open the single dialog for HTML widgets which could actually be > a treeview. Then the second letter would corespond to the types of > elements we now have for structural navigation but also take you to > the matching node in this tree. This way, if one didn't know all the > possible element types, you could brows this treeview and subsequently > learn the shortcuts to get to these nodes directly in the future. > > So this way, you have the treeview approach but commands to take you > to separate lists. > > Oh, I also see little value in differentiating between visited and > unvisited links I would just soon find the next link regardless of > visited or not. Actually, with my suggested deal above, it wouldn't > matter if you included these separate lists. After all, it might as > well be consistent with the available structural navigation commands > we now have. > > Hope this all makes sense. > > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 02:33:51PM +0100, Marcus Habermehl wrote: >> Am 20.01.2011 14:15, schrieb Geoff Shang: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I'm very new to Orca, so will keep my comments to a minimum. But you >>> may want to look at what's been done in NVDA. You only have one dialog >>> box there and select the type of element to look at. You can also enter >>> in a search string to narrow down the list. >> >> I wouldn't take the way of NVDA as a good example. NVDA lists only three >> types of objects, one of which was always empty in my tests. >> >> We should prefer commercial screen readers such as Jaws or Hal/Dolphin >> as an example. I think they are the best known on Windows. >> >> Firstly, the developers will have something in mind for their solution >> and on the other a similar behavior makes it easier to change between >> Windows and GNOME. >> >> Both have separate lists. Hal/Dolphin represents those lists in one >> window but distributed to different tabs in a notebook. JAWS on the >> other hand, uses different windows. >> >> Greetings >> Marcus >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From kd7cyu@yahoo.com Fri Jan 21 21:11:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6282D75061D for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 21:11:50 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.643 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.643 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD=1.63, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RFC_ABUSE_POST=0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6wZIKpxIqdR5 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 21:11:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sh77.surpasshosting.com (sh77.surpasshosting.com [72.29.75.145]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE588750381 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 21:11:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-76-121-69-115.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([76.121.69.115]:32893 helo=tom-laptop.local) by sh77.surpasshosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PgOGf-0005fR-QI for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:11:38 -0500 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:11:33 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Masterson X-X-Sender: kd7cyu@tom-laptop To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (DEB 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sh77.surpasshosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - yahoo.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: [orca-list] bug-buddy? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 21:11:50 -0000 I find that whenever bug-buddy comes up orca goes away. So far the only way I have found to get orca back is to go to a console that doesn't use orca and kill the bug-buddy process. Anyone have a better solution? Tom From joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Fri Jan 21 22:27:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3D52750792 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 22:27:07 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1XpPopvLO2MQ for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 22:27:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5953C750783 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 22:26:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws9 with SMTP id 9so931096vws.27 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:26:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=7tE7jEOuiL6HtaVd3QNpdjcegqpSTiLDD8z8YSilmdE=; b=lsBlnnCqTLMwEcKqcgtzA99AnMyMYHwNPiC1NR0TPSAvup7xhdVl0bt/B3ka2UN/nO MJBkZssx9m/5hYsQv3ta0wji2NYnlb5no2Y4Nik7ULFX++e2oPhtE7QcAa4944DdUzmM gpSE4LODIBjrcslYW/tYuCball6zPUm5ngHf8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=fJMCKeoVLHWLx4hyHdLNHKPrJ84P5XeSQ2YrRVRiFducLpuLHy6oT3TqFSoz272SUc 1eRoNXdk3KtvMHpMgSTTDvKvKepLHICjk0PXUO11qolMn2bAyzJVFhtj+8sl6uFj4CMg NSsrRCtz2TMywurM3+0YrAX0I3Afa0q0uNQ0Y= Received: by 10.220.71.148 with SMTP id h20mr333961vcj.10.1295648815345; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:26:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.35.105] (c-98-217-239-60.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [98.217.239.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i1sm6058487vby.1.2011.01.21.14.26.54 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:26:54 -0800 (PST) Sender: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <4D3A0834.4050904@gnome.org> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 17:27:00 -0500 From: Joanmarie Diggs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b10pre) Gecko/20110121 Thunderbird/3.3a3pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Orca-list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Latest refactor-related fixes are in master for your testing pleasure X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: joanied@gnome.org List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 22:27:08 -0000 Hey all. I believe I made some decent headway on the issues you all have been reporting regarding the recent event and script manager refactor. I'm still testing and going through the bug reports and comments, but if in the meantime you have some time to test the latest master -- especially if you're already using master -- it would be most appreciated. Thanks and take care. --joanie From steve.holmes88@gmail.com Sat Jan 22 00:33:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAC5B75011D for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 00:33:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.137 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.137 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=1.553, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oLc6GmFvDlyW for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 00:33:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0F4D7500BD for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 00:32:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxh35 with SMTP id 35so728006yxh.27 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:32:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=SXPsWEFz/qH+NN4N1jUwF4rS7TqVXbBOFOaeb4rP24A=; b=H+oSdltUG09Mxv6AnJaB87ESkRNztyJWX+1IXzM3b+/Jmb61n1F0L2lgKtay7VQ5U5 NQAIp4mzd2+rTo/Lw9zc4dErt8inyZNZseLucNCE05rxbxDYOBoEHR3yziEDLIzTOSS7 j223OmcxBcjeZvJKHNOhWay4e32aalduy4Ch4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=abovq74b+Y0PH9T4tDa6eDiZnN43BKx3gn+ekAqgDOaueuXon5ZKsf4JeC5oAhOvLY KRePsw79AGg5A6SNUsjefVsK0JZoZiuMS2RAntNP0tZdNAuuZu5N1R1aWU/H/QPZscWs Qnie1INenfo/aa6yIXXU7rTWTrnOhaK8o1yl8= Received: by 10.151.10.11 with SMTP id n11mr1559059ybi.117.1295656375945; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:32:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (ip72-208-185-148.ph.ph.cox.net [72.208.185.148]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u5sm793560yba.22.2011.01.21.16.32.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:32:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D3A25B4.1070106@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 17:32:52 -0700 From: Steve Holmes User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101230 Lanikai/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D3A0834.4050904@gnome.org> In-Reply-To: <4D3A0834.4050904@gnome.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Latest refactor-related fixes are in master for your testing pleasure X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 00:33:10 -0000 Generally, things have been pretty stable. However, I have been experiencing some speech losses where I had to kill and restart Orca. It is intermittent, of course so I can't offer a firm set of steps to makeit happen One thing in common when this has happened today was when attempting to do a 'orca --replace' from the run dialog without any speech, I get an error box that pops up. After jumping over to a native console and killing Orca, I can then go back into my gnome session and start orca from the run dialog without any --replace. Speech comes back and then I can read the dialog. The error indicates that can't find some file in my home directory but the file name is blank. That is, it says that /home/steve/// cannot be found. I have never seen this error before. I had this happen at least 3 times today after my recent git pull from this afternoon. Once I got the error simply by leaving the machine unattended for over 30 minutes and the other two times I was in Thunderbird trying to read some mail. I do have that thunderbird list patch applied for bug #634642 in case that might mean anything. It might have something to do with having Thunderbird running each time this happened. I wish I had better steps to reproduce this problem. On 01/21/2011 03:27 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > Hey all. > > I believe I made some decent headway on the issues you all have been > reporting regarding the recent event and script manager refactor. I'm > still testing and going through the bug reports and comments, but if > in the meantime you have some time to test the latest master -- > especially if you're already using master -- it would be most > appreciated. > > Thanks and take care. > --joanie > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Sat Jan 22 00:47:39 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2181750126 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 00:47:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KR33K7bzf5NO for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 00:47:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D17D37500BD for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 00:47:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws9 with SMTP id 9so988047vws.27 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:47:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent :mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=vEj2FfG6GHSPUPcBp46zQnRKlOnWhRv2c/6R7RKewlk=; b=oGmH9uw3UBbNZAcqu1AsVUN9auWfOQ20sMOj2zFanxzt6lbkymv8yHLbWhyQq2+YBp PT5PfUDKJNCyTP2uQhrNEuYqzrzeYHgyofWc983EqQszggKBDUJWJTzqEBobc/XeS8/4 s0vNaBUGrAUT53BHtldk8wV850DIuJY6TxZhE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=YS7FEp3SnSEU3cKVUH54F9jzT+7fVUwJbUD3bMOohrC3j5umRXVNgzcWNLAiSYfcFt QdN1W2gGkz+8dJGXxXO02QOta9ubCabOMRAYzTngmwTlDNUNdhKIlz4tylzFceJkq0xC QMWHkiCCmh9RmduwgPLrP4yGSTbAj+GulzsLI= Received: by 10.220.186.7 with SMTP id cq7mr362157vcb.164.1295657247048; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:47:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.35.105] (c-98-217-239-60.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [98.217.239.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b26sm6157078vby.3.2011.01.21.16.47.25 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:47:26 -0800 (PST) Sender: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <4D3A2924.30003@gnome.org> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 19:47:32 -0500 From: Joanmarie Diggs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b10pre) Gecko/20110121 Thunderbird/3.3a3pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Holmes References: <4D3A0834.4050904@gnome.org> <4D3A25B4.1070106@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4D3A25B4.1070106@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Latest refactor-related fixes are in master for your testing pleasure X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: joanied@gnome.org List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 00:47:40 -0000 Hey Steve. > speech, I get an error box that pops up. After jumping over to a native > console and killing Orca, I can then go back into my gnome session and > start orca from the run dialog without any --replace. Speech comes back > and then I can read the dialog. The error indicates that can't find some > file in my home directory but the file name is blank. That is, it says > that /home/steve/// cannot be found. I have never seen this error > before. I had this happen at least 3 times today after my recent git > pull from this afternoon. Once I got the error simply by leaving the > machine unattended for over 30 minutes and the other two times I was in > Thunderbird trying to read some mail. Well, that is pretty odd. Also note that Orca doesn't pop up error dialogs. To be honest, we might be a bit more user-friendly if we did, instead of dumping tracebacks to debug.outs assuming you happen to have enabled debugging. Given that stranger things have happened, I'm not willing to say beyond a shadow of a doubt that we're not causing that behavior. But I cannot imagine how at the moment we might be. Or especially why handling some tracebacks more gracefully would suddenly cause dialogs to appear... So... Please keep me posted. And if you can capture a debug.out (or any other data) that explains where that dialog is coming from I'd love to see it. Is this in Arch, btw? --joanie From steve.holmes88@gmail.com Sat Jan 22 05:40:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4941975009C for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 05:40:45 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.07 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.07 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=1.553, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_DR=0.077] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Wi03hbOgAZ-z for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 05:40:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pz0-f54.google.com (mail-pz0-f54.google.com [209.85.210.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45E9475002F for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 05:40:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk32 with SMTP id 32so476326pzk.27 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 21:40:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=eLIgz58am98+KIoHuBWvOn3lVnG4t3CJJnYeOBOD5oA=; b=YFSpNbvHRsGGbYoccJl7dhxYTaogNnpyUqO9TaesdybtxCSzbiA/RZQaTa/V5xwXUP fBJTCOn3tNvM3zw0hZejeCOKDlNZY4ygZjxmoWZ08tY/7K21qmf8AQdRfgM4RiwhByNo 9xjb89n3UlF3aKSZsw5YrTm5nA9wqt0BytSD4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=l0HgpBx2J+AqdeHNfLFTHHjaZLkT5l1T2t19k+x3v1ssSra19QIkCH37LhAaV3or7w 44lq8ZKDcm1bASry+3/ToNYJd6dD9MjUj92jOd1bkYPFHDEnxy9bO185N/oswbIJvjrp S86r0hqnZnJgdtupzvuQPC2LkTnfcTrUY1q+Y= Received: by 10.142.164.1 with SMTP id m1mr1512469wfe.264.1295674833272; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 21:40:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (ip72-208-185-148.ph.ph.cox.net [72.208.185.148]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f5sm3886128wfo.4.2011.01.21.21.40.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 21 Jan 2011 21:40:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D3A6DCD.8040204@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 22:40:29 -0700 From: Steve Holmes User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101230 Lanikai/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Orca E-mail List References: <4D3A0834.4050904@gnome.org> <4D3A25B4.1070106@gmail.com> <4D3A2924.30003@gnome.org> In-Reply-To: <4D3A2924.30003@gnome.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Latest refactor-related fixes are in master for your testing pleasure X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 05:40:45 -0000 Well, I say a dialog popped up because I got the error ding right after typing 'orca --replace' from the run dialog. Can't say where that necessarily came from but I suspected Orca since that came up immediately after the command. I'll try and turn on debugging and see how things go. It seems that all these errors have occurred while I had Thunderbird running. and more particularly when I was focused on the tree of mail boxes. I use IMAP through gmail and I think when the losses of speech happen is when I hear the progress indication going while IMAP messages are being retrieved. I have noticed for a long time that when Thunderbird is fetch mail, Orca tends to hang until that process completes. I think this has become more unstable lately. I'll have to see if I get any speech losses when Thundrbird is not running. Yes, this is Arch Linux on my 332 bit desktop system. On 01/21/2011 05:47 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > Hey Steve. > >> speech, I get an error box that pops up. After jumping over to a native >> console and killing Orca, I can then go back into my gnome session and >> start orca from the run dialog without any --replace. Speech comes back >> and then I can read the dialog. The error indicates that can't find some >> file in my home directory but the file name is blank. That is, it says >> that /home/steve/// cannot be found. I have never seen this error >> before. I had this happen at least 3 times today after my recent git >> pull from this afternoon. Once I got the error simply by leaving the >> machine unattended for over 30 minutes and the other two times I was in >> Thunderbird trying to read some mail. > > Well, that is pretty odd. Also note that Orca doesn't pop up error > dialogs. To be honest, we might be a bit more user-friendly if we did, > instead of dumping tracebacks to debug.outs assuming you happen to > have enabled debugging. > > Given that stranger things have happened, I'm not willing to say > beyond a shadow of a doubt that we're not causing that behavior. But I > cannot imagine how at the moment we might be. Or especially why > handling some tracebacks more gracefully would suddenly cause dialogs > to appear... So... Please keep me posted. And if you can capture a > debug.out (or any other data) that explains where that dialog is > coming from I'd love to see it. > > Is this in Arch, btw? > > --joanie From mwhapples@aim.com Sat Jan 22 11:17:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B16B7500B7 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 11:17:12 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tg0QVSbhrTwg for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 11:17:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (imr-ma06.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.142]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8611A75000C for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 11:16:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mtaout-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.197]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p0MBGqSc016396; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 06:16:52 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (mwhapples.plus.com [80.229.137.216]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 0018FE0000CA; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 06:16:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4D3ABB4B.2010103@aim.com> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 11:11:07 +0000 From: Michael Whapples User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b8pre) Gecko/20101212 Thunderbird/3.3a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Holmes References: <4D3761B2.5070507@yahoo.de> <4D37AA47.80808@gnome.org> <20110120043847.GB12357@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <20110120065137.GA24412@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> <4D398B3F.60105@yahoo.de> <20110121161003.GD633@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> In-Reply-To: <20110121161003.GD633@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:490254240:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c54d3abca26a6a X-AOL-IP: 80.229.137.216 Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 11:17:12 -0000 Hello, I very much agree with Steve. We certainly should not use many key presses up for a feature which may or may not be used by some people (I can say for myself I don't make use of such a feature, even when its available to me when using Mac and voiceover, I generally prefer jump to next element of given type or do a search). Now how might it be done, the treeview is one option, another being the submenu idea. Now how might these compare for usage? Thinking about it, the menu/submenu idea is nice as one could press the key to bring up the menu listing the various types of element (including "All elements") and then the user could easily jump to the appropriate one using the shortcut letter. Its the next bit which may not work so well if using submenus, I don't think GTK menus allow one to type so much of the menu item they want to go to (like you can on the Mac), so meaning the user would have to scroll through the menu to find what they want in the submenu. Now to the tree view idea, I think this does allow filtering by typing, but I am not sure if there is a nice key stroke in gnome/GTK to go back to parent node of the tree (say I had gone into links and was quite a way down the links, I don't think there is a key stroke I could use to go back to the links node which is expanded, may be because I realised I found it wasn't a link I need but a button). If I am wrong about the jumping back to parent nodes in a tree view then I think the tree view may be better, otherwise I get the feeling the menu idea is better (IE. if I know the text of what I am looking for then I could do a standard search for it). Michael Whapples On -10/01/37 20:59, Steve Holmes wrote: > We've had the comparison issues between screen readers in the past. I > don't want to see Orca implement something just because Jaws has it, > nor do I want something to be implemented like jaws just just because some > people in windows use jaws. I for one, don't do jaws and have no > intentions of doing so. If it just so happens that a feature is well > implemented in jaws, then do it; otherwise, if there is a better way, > I would rather see that instead. In the case of all these lists for > different HTML widgets, I think the treeview approach wouldn't be so > bad but at the very least, I like the idea of a two letter command to > pop them up. this way, you don't lose so many hot keys right off the > bat for a single feature. The first letter of the two-letter command > could open the single dialog for HTML widgets which could actually be > a treeview. Then the second letter would corespond to the types of > elements we now have for structural navigation but also take you to > the matching node in this tree. This way, if one didn't know all the > possible element types, you could brows this treeview and subsequently > learn the shortcuts to get to these nodes directly in the future. > > So this way, you have the treeview approach but commands to take you > to separate lists. > > Oh, I also see little value in differentiating between visited and > unvisited links I would just soon find the next link regardless of > visited or not. Actually, with my suggested deal above, it wouldn't > matter if you included these separate lists. After all, it might as > well be consistent with the available structural navigation commands > we now have. > > Hope this all makes sense. > > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 02:33:51PM +0100, Marcus Habermehl wrote: >> Am 20.01.2011 14:15, schrieb Geoff Shang: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I'm very new to Orca, so will keep my comments to a minimum. But you >>> may want to look at what's been done in NVDA. You only have one dialog >>> box there and select the type of element to look at. You can also enter >>> in a search string to narrow down the list. >> I wouldn't take the way of NVDA as a good example. NVDA lists only three >> types of objects, one of which was always empty in my tests. >> >> We should prefer commercial screen readers such as Jaws or Hal/Dolphin >> as an example. I think they are the best known on Windows. >> >> Firstly, the developers will have something in mind for their solution >> and on the other a similar behavior makes it easier to change between >> Windows and GNOME. >> >> Both have separate lists. Hal/Dolphin represents those lists in one >> window but distributed to different tabs in a notebook. JAWS on the >> other hand, uses different windows. >> >> Greetings >> Marcus >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From luchyanus@gmail.com Sat Jan 22 12:05:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F99C7506CD for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 12:05:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Wky0ngzLoEjX for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 12:05:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B43E27500DE for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 12:04:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwj21 with SMTP id 21so817464gwj.27 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 04:04:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=EkcwoQNHJWbuL3Grxzds9QimPv/eybMJo0Ahb9pUD8k=; b=GUdTYuovEuGuE1iIZ4GA9P1k/Ixty65LLCgHZ7LyBNdDXP9geFR9v2alwYBulCOL+C bm8eksX6dfABp07Npu9LAOWyXb0wiwteqjUJueMVnzU7HJAACZEloJuw04qtmLqjYFNZ gnPHeDaf1/eojo4vuZCpSDCcesa6BLcrp+MF8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ZP/vKkAN+RX/MjzC1mcF/3Z2Axrsx6UgkVSzA/yMVObjrI+jH37k7O7MFPoiCr97ef K3Ucm6TLGghX38MOtSE3ig+2e/xn4O20h+7AGNjGWisvVb3FM3y/FCv7//xvkBYhPyR2 2tf17S6ZZYUAlBhW2B0pY8nrAkJHjnSmGpn3g= Received: by 10.90.87.8 with SMTP id k8mr2219495agb.6.1295697896715; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 04:04:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.202.81.8] ([189.1.143.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t1sm12925709ano.23.2011.01.22.04.04.54 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 22 Jan 2011 04:04:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D3AC7E6.7070405@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 10:04:54 -0200 From: Luciano de Souza User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Alternatives for Open Office X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 12:05:09 -0000 Hi listers, The work done to become Open Office accessible, it was undoubtedly very successful. In spite of this, Open Office doesn't seem to be useful in daily tasks. The features can be accessed, however, at least Writer and Calc crashes suddenly when several types of taskss are performed. Since Open Office is not reliable, I decide to search for other alternatives. StarOffice, KOffice, GOffice, AbiWord, GWriter, XEmacs, IBM Lotus Symphony could be tested, regarding the target of these applications are similar to Open Ofice. Which of then were you tested? Can I use one of then in place of the whole Open Office or simply in place of Writer or Calc? Best regards, -- Luciano de Souza From steve.holmes88@gmail.com Sat Jan 22 14:30:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5151D75019B for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 14:30:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.137 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.137 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=1.553, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L-9opT4nHk+h for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 14:30:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pv0-f182.google.com (mail-pv0-f182.google.com [74.125.83.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3B0A750182 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 14:29:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pvc22 with SMTP id 22so529921pvc.27 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 06:29:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=wgf7Q86D5Npq920zoDGbfG5tFDLtt0tIfuM6COGGstg=; b=Cifg1XjH5r0IMtV3FiE4tH+T4rD+6wSvH3MGFGY5G2fXy9aox6Zdqh49tpUhnRypL4 sVaIyFkqV1jFXYeKcVZ4zfj7XEZ02WIWuig/vqe84s+Na/jXprmjKXXWfnMnLD6etkqy +numBSypPrS2IygCAUQa5DynvPc0ZQptty3ZU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; b=iRUuUrhNprqyF4xPrNiLAOdcqxvRcd49w33V/0fLe4sLTM9bSzXCGdzQzw5OCqlhBQ oYhkKAFDubmaj1hb6iQ8JiUKseXhTC8gKXmPOMQA1JUmceO9EFV3mMPxWBE8pvREmPRk 25BlJzIZqCCAzNBo/tniAL7alS4KpVCGMpCJw= Received: by 10.142.179.4 with SMTP id b4mr1814441wff.434.1295706590893; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 06:29:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from lnx3.holmesgrown.com (ip72-208-185-148.ph.ph.cox.net [72.208.185.148]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x18sm14316589wfa.11.2011.01.22.06.29.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 22 Jan 2011 06:29:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 07:29:46 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110122142946.GA22342@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D3761B2.5070507@yahoo.de> <4D37AA47.80808@gnome.org> <20110120043847.GB12357@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <20110120065137.GA24412@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> <4D398B3F.60105@yahoo.de> <20110121161003.GD633@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> <4D3ABB4B.2010103@aim.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D3ABB4B.2010103@aim.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 14:30:04 -0000 I think I've seen in treeviews where merely pressing the left arrow will take you back to the top of the given node and then another press of the left arrow key will collapse the node. Not sure about the incremental search though. Frankly, if one is searching like that, I think you would be better off inside the whole document and just using the find feature of Firefox. On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 11:11:07AM +0000, Michael Whapples wrote: > Hello, > I very much agree with Steve. We certainly should not use many key > presses up for a feature which may or may not be used by some people > (I can say for myself I don't make use of such a feature, even when > its available to me when using Mac and voiceover, I generally prefer > jump to next element of given type or do a search). > > Now how might it be done, the treeview is one option, another being > the submenu idea. Now how might these compare for usage? Thinking > about it, the menu/submenu idea is nice as one could press the key > to bring up the menu listing the various types of element (including > "All elements") and then the user could easily jump to the > appropriate one using the shortcut letter. Its the next bit which > may not work so well if using submenus, I don't think GTK menus > allow one to type so much of the menu item they want to go to (like > you can on the Mac), so meaning the user would have to scroll > through the menu to find what they want in the submenu. > > Now to the tree view idea, I think this does allow filtering by > typing, but I am not sure if there is a nice key stroke in gnome/GTK > to go back to parent node of the tree (say I had gone into links and > was quite a way down the links, I don't think there is a key stroke > I could use to go back to the links node which is expanded, may be > because I realised I found it wasn't a link I need but a button). > > If I am wrong about the jumping back to parent nodes in a tree view > then I think the tree view may be better, otherwise I get the > feeling the menu idea is better (IE. if I know the text of what I am > looking for then I could do a standard search for it). > > Michael Whapples > On -10/01/37 20:59, Steve Holmes wrote: > >We've had the comparison issues between screen readers in the past. I > >don't want to see Orca implement something just because Jaws has it, > >nor do I want something to be implemented like jaws just just because some > >people in windows use jaws. I for one, don't do jaws and have no > >intentions of doing so. If it just so happens that a feature is well > >implemented in jaws, then do it; otherwise, if there is a better way, > >I would rather see that instead. In the case of all these lists for > >different HTML widgets, I think the treeview approach wouldn't be so > >bad but at the very least, I like the idea of a two letter command to > >pop them up. this way, you don't lose so many hot keys right off the > >bat for a single feature. The first letter of the two-letter command > >could open the single dialog for HTML widgets which could actually be > >a treeview. Then the second letter would corespond to the types of > >elements we now have for structural navigation but also take you to > >the matching node in this tree. This way, if one didn't know all the > >possible element types, you could brows this treeview and subsequently > >learn the shortcuts to get to these nodes directly in the future. > > > >So this way, you have the treeview approach but commands to take you > >to separate lists. > > > >Oh, I also see little value in differentiating between visited and > >unvisited links I would just soon find the next link regardless of > >visited or not. Actually, with my suggested deal above, it wouldn't > >matter if you included these separate lists. After all, it might as > >well be consistent with the available structural navigation commands > >we now have. > > > >Hope this all makes sense. > > > >On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 02:33:51PM +0100, Marcus Habermehl wrote: > >>Am 20.01.2011 14:15, schrieb Geoff Shang: > >>>Hi, > >>> > >>>I'm very new to Orca, so will keep my comments to a minimum. But you > >>>may want to look at what's been done in NVDA. You only have one dialog > >>>box there and select the type of element to look at. You can also enter > >>>in a search string to narrow down the list. > >>I wouldn't take the way of NVDA as a good example. NVDA lists only three > >>types of objects, one of which was always empty in my tests. > >> > >>We should prefer commercial screen readers such as Jaws or Hal/Dolphin > >>as an example. I think they are the best known on Windows. > >> > >>Firstly, the developers will have something in mind for their solution > >>and on the other a similar behavior makes it easier to change between > >>Windows and GNOME. > >> > >>Both have separate lists. Hal/Dolphin represents those lists in one > >>window but distributed to different tabs in a notebook. JAWS on the > >>other hand, uses different windows. > >> > >>Greetings > >>Marcus > >>_______________________________________________ > >>orca-list mailing list > >>orca-list@gnome.org > >>http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > >>The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > >>The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > >>Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > >>Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > >>Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Sat Jan 22 20:20:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E475475019F for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 20:20:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7TwzsLQHIoYi for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 20:20:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16BC4750122 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 20:20:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwj9 with SMTP id 9so2896457qwj.27 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 12:20:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=fz8nRlQK7IkJvY3y4IZobL4gR2Q2xVB7UZCPvEzBWXo=; b=o+fZzIfy8edXjXuWrshGBU1QZhC7nHdnzcyscVLjAu2HG3Vv9FMuoZmVLGZird4Wwb kETOdJQrGyoKe0YDSb+TJjEwRsM5jKXY+vBMvQYfb84zCRIntCJFC8SOEfNbPvlM6Q+t GsYpp/I24wHy1UdEJSRgmVedeJiv9ZET1LVYs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=FQTWurgbdtD4maykC/XGlMPggOT5AZTw9ds221xPmVqQKlI1S0el3VY4nGvxUfaqUD DjBKj70oIdeJFEh+LF1dpSfkANogqkliSGilR8HaQ14mjKfrdEwT2R+z9TC+dbKHKxIb fqWD94ULmf/Hp0/5h1x8KrK1RiKcHhbqfgrug= Received: by 10.224.74.79 with SMTP id t15mr2302263qaj.10.1295727625909; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 12:20:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.35.105] (c-98-217-239-60.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [98.217.239.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l12sm7793241qcu.7.2011.01.22.12.20.24 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 22 Jan 2011 12:20:24 -0800 (PST) Sender: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <4D3B3C08.2000900@gnome.org> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 15:20:24 -0500 From: Joanmarie Diggs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b10pre) Gecko/20110122 Thunderbird/3.3a3pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Orca-list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Attention DocSquad -- and others X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: joanied@gnome.org List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 20:20:39 -0000 Hey all. A couple of weeks ago, I suggested we form a DocSquad whose first mission, should they choose to accept it, would include the following tasks: * Reviewing all the existing help and submitting corrections. * Revising the wiki: What should be removed due to being outdated, not useful, or contained in the new help content? With respect to the first task, I have completed everything I plan to do this release in terms of writing new documentation, updating our existing documentation, putting it in Mallard, and moving it into our own module. Attila -- who should officially join the DocSquad (hint, hint) -- has been going over it all quite thoroughly pointing out things ranging from those which are just plain wrong to whitespace errors. (Thanks Attila!) Continued proofreading is encouraged as I really want our documentation to rock for the next release. I'd also encourage you all to submit any new pages which I should have written but did not. Writing it in plain text format is fine as I'm happy to Mallardize it. If there is indeed a need/missing pages, this should probably be a priority as the i18n team needs time to do their job. Beyond that, I'd love to see people diving into our wiki. We have some seriously-outdated content on there. And most things are dumped into the top-level dir (Orca/Foo rather than Orca/Distros/Foo and Orca/Apps/Foo). Can I interest folks in starting the cleanup of our wiki? Speaking of which, I would really love to see new and updated content in the following two areas: 1. Distro specific information that is pretty complete. Back in the Sun days, we focused on (Open)Solaris and Ubuntu. Perhaps those of you actively using other distros (Arch comes to mind) could add content? 2. GNOME 3. There's already talk about Gdm 3. We're looking at a future with it, and Gtk 3, and gnome-shell, and fallback mode, and unity, and, and, and.... Note that I'll help out in this area as I can, especially when the question is, "What the heck is on the screen at this point?" But I would really like someone else to lead the charge. The act of writing this content should also be a good way to discover bugs. Any takers on either? Having you all take on the documentation creation and maintenance helps me personally in that it frees me up to work on Orca itself. And ultimately it helps the users, of course, because they can easily find answers to their questions. By the way, the DocSquad page is here: http://live.gnome.org/Orca/DocSquad. Feel free to add yourself if you have not already done so, update that page with new goals, etc. Thanks in advance! --joanie From bmh1980de@yahoo.de Sat Jan 22 20:32:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04B8675019F for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 20:32:55 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.397 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.397 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=1.592, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D+YPszedZ6zR for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 20:32:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm25-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm25-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.73]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BB99E750122 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 20:32:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.138.90.56] by nm25.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2011 20:32:42 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.39] by tm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2011 20:32:42 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp107.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2011 20:32:42 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.de; s=s1024; t=1295728362; bh=7SJK2A9cCIVJAYYf8p8g1xvBJa87xfn8nilpjBNT+68=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vctXN9AuK0SoCpAOnrThXtp3zymyBMLn0y4OzVk3/U2yaNZrww20TY8j3zxOyBaOWjDGvXhfRV40KxHMhjgy8q6YO6XKQo79vOpeaEWy1ihGZOynv64fBvlPGjqzSHd0XWjHGM2h6e2QCIJfZ4f5tzOM0g8DBwJcBy6mwkjV7z0= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 834870.78660.bm@smtp107.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: from [192.168.1.50] (bmh1980de@92.231.67.163 with plain) by smtp107.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2011 12:32:42 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cp5ucI2swBDgt7JRmWe4v_wy5rFT5Q-- X-YMail-OSG: iwvGGuAVM1lqx22H5nOdfjW74nUs0eR1UhWB9QdMqO_1LV5 YS9nLG7sMATC1eUxxBCaDgEO8OzUkHw.9DCQaYKhQOahxiJMGrVNRZP._bMu dWAMRRwuqjqEWfORYObKfuYSKvVoDGD9T.ihisvsZqLlsN_NEB4_X.WUS6Sd hndANu6S39Fy10ZUhtRKFmVBxvJO.u0nX5SfqytlUIIa4OCw90RL0XrDDTOs Q80UpOrxgXnyxj2lKAh8zSwr8Dfmm3L_yNiSgYQZLfv5jWljwKgZt_uzenF9 IejWMlMJrJGmPChsYUg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4D3AEB30.6090500@yahoo.de> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 15:35:28 +0100 From: Marcus Habermehl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D3761B2.5070507@yahoo.de> <4D37AA47.80808@gnome.org> <20110120043847.GB12357@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <20110120065137.GA24412@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> <4D398B3F.60105@yahoo.de> <4D399C31.9000900@pickup.hu> In-Reply-To: <4D399C31.9000900@pickup.hu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 20:32:55 -0000 Am 21.01.2011 15:46, schrieb Hammer Attila: > Hy, > > Marcus, you are right, sorry. > I doed now speed tests again, for example with www.oc.hu and > http://vakbarat.index.hu webpage not have speed differences with single > list and all objects list (oldest list name is HTML Object Navigator > list), both two list generated I think 4 second. Exactly. Only on large sites, like openhouse.hu the all objects list needs more time. > Your popup menu ydea is very good I think if we not want reserve more > shortcuts with single lists (if single lists is final need). This is > works similar? > 1. For example the user pressing a hotkey, an example is Orca+Ctrl+F8. > 2. Similar context menu is displaying: > "List of clickable objects > list of frames > List of form fields > List of headings > List of links > List all objects" > All menu items have mnemonic key, and if user press a menu item > mnemonic, final presenting the requested list. Yes. The menu would be work like the GNOME menu. Currently I have implemented menus for all structural objects using the structural navigation shortcuts. Orca+Ctrl+A pop-ups a menu with all anchors Orca+Ctrl+Q pop-ups a menu with all blockquotes Orca+Ctrl+B pop-ups a menu with all buttons Orca+Ctrl+X pop-ups a menu with all check boxes Orca+Ctrl+C pop-ups a menu with all combo boxes Orca+Ctrl+E pop-ups a menu with all entries Orca+Ctrl+Tab pop-ups a menu with all form fields Orca+Ctrl+H pop-ups a menu with all headings Orca+Ctrl+1 pop-ups a menu with all headings at level 1 Orca+Ctrl+2 pop-ups a menu with all headings at level 2 Orca+Ctrl+3 pop-ups a menu with all headings at level 3 Orca+Ctrl+4 pop-ups a menu with all headings at level 4 Orca+Ctrl+5 pop-ups a menu with all headings at level 5 Orca+Ctrl+6 pop-ups a menu with all headings at level 6 Orca+Ctrl+M pop-ups a menu with all landmarks Orca+Ctrl+L pop-ups a menu with all lists Orca+Ctrl+I pop-ups a menu with all list items Orca+Ctrl+D pop-ups a menu with all live regions Orca+Ctrl+P pop-ups a menu with all paragraphs Orca+Ctrl+R pop-ups a menu with all radio buttons Orca+Ctrl+S pop-ups a menu with all separators (I can't believe that this is usefull) Orca+Ctrl+T pop-ups a menu with all tables Orca+Ctrl+U pop-ups a menu with all unvisited links Orca+Ctrl+V pop-ups a menu with all visited links If now objects are found, the menu will open with a single item that tells the user about it. As I have written about my previous patch, I think it's a good idea to inform the user not only with speech about it. I know that we have talked about one single list only. But currently I don't know what the devels think. As I understand http://live.gnome.org/Orca/Roadmap and #620331 multiple lists are planned. If it should really be one single list, this can be changed every time. I think it's a good solution to have one single list *and* multiple lists. So user can choose there prefered way. Greetings Marcus From bmh1980de@yahoo.de Sat Jan 22 20:32:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D1C175025F for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 20:32:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.397 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.397 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=1.592, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8oTTmvnUeadG for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 20:32:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm18-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm18-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.37]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1D2737501B3 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 20:32:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.138.90.55] by nm18.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2011 20:32:45 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.41] by tm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2011 20:32:45 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp109.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2011 20:32:45 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.de; s=s1024; t=1295728365; bh=2MkL7ixJRnv7/+yXM/S9rLMYptlrfybKIsgSu3QSIqw=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5fgnxyGiE5GBqV7SPr6gkZuyd2kcbpVz9oW1E/T8KMZozctsAd1oKbDGi3SELt2R2b+j+HB/1pzi9zhue07dOdWgZMa5zAVZ/4JqhYahvmbi6s7CYDAiOUI8AmkjZWpUc8G13wQTri0CQ+rRvRB4d/erVFhzArSgy1Od3GTYu34= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 430119.54225.bm@smtp109.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: from [192.168.1.50] (bmh1980de@92.231.67.163 with plain) by smtp109.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2011 12:32:45 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cp5ucI2swBDgt7JRmWe4v_wy5rFT5Q-- X-YMail-OSG: b.72XRIVM1mOnnNHIv6CWs9ehVT3LnLGCjRsaK9B1WaauKk YkWKNQayvHFT52I832KuNaaoWUHaIC8GjeeeXy0UC3rnUDdpInxsy_o7AIWh dYayrSR6kO2ZzT8MWHFAcItkccEItOsOVyYFvWkWLZl2QyzmSAbqHCb74JYJ cZgz8lxMjjoz7tvqLNCBx.tI78UEhG_Z62IOaUw5cZTjlkxj_oK4F.zyKTVw PPAkYRKglDsKe7j2h3weYli4GOpv8U1GFjAxZyLxwbOGjCDVCo9Cfntnb5fY dTaN7JnZAKu_mhb4EYgOk6GxGpNipjw9XewBQJ1w9IL0ZIj_soMewYVWh7ql rDyWVmnW7M1yqXEzC5BSQ.Q-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4D3B0807.3030605@yahoo.de> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 17:38:31 +0100 From: Marcus Habermehl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D3761B2.5070507@yahoo.de> <4D37AA47.80808@gnome.org> <20110120043847.GB12357@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <20110120065137.GA24412@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> <4D398B3F.60105@yahoo.de> <20110121161003.GD633@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> In-Reply-To: <20110121161003.GD633@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 20:32:59 -0000 Am 21.01.2011 17:10, schrieb Steve Holmes: > We've had the comparison issues between screen readers in the past. I > don't want to see Orca implement something just because Jaws has it, > nor do I want something to be implemented like jaws just just because some > people in windows use jaws. I for one, don't do jaws and have no > intentions of doing so. If it just so happens that a feature is well > implemented in jaws, then do it; otherwise, if there is a better way, > I would rather see that instead. I agree with you completely. To me it's not about that JAWS has individual lists. Only I am of the opinion that there is a reason that two different screen readers have individual lists. > In the case of all these lists for > different HTML widgets, I think the treeview approach wouldn't be so > bad but at the very least, I like the idea of a two letter command to > pop them up. this way, you don't lose so many hot keys right off the > bat for a single feature. The first letter of the two-letter command > could open the single dialog for HTML widgets which could actually be > a treeview. Then the second letter would corespond to the types of > elements we now have for structural navigation but also take you to > the matching node in this tree. This way, if one didn't know all the > possible element types, you could brows this treeview and subsequently > learn the shortcuts to get to these nodes directly in the future. > > So this way, you have the treeview approach but commands to take you > to separate lists. I also think that it's better to have both. One list with all objects and separated lists. Greetings Marcus From bmh1980de@yahoo.de Sat Jan 22 20:33:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74DFA7501DA for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 20:33:02 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.989 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.989 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l8WbrTH+QIuj for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 20:32:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm27.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm27.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.90]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F2CFE750284 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 20:32:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.138.90.49] by nm27.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2011 20:32:49 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.45] by tm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2011 20:32:49 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp113.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2011 20:32:49 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.de; s=s1024; t=1295728369; bh=UptozBeMfsY9kW8bE3uiuchwb9kkAgOTY+amk+AAsus=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=atXU15BajImSjazvdJO618Zsjpa0dI610fQOvHKPcPpinyp4oKMM20vkz3bb5xt5wCINBqSTICy8ApEiDdHtfoqy9yWnzUb5QOEHnvqliLUO6zZMP09MARfA8/WEV0qh0VNTTF6TLBGlw9y62Mn7CB6W8EgcdupEUcYH8ksIHCQ= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 7798.36332.bm@smtp113.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: from [192.168.1.50] (bmh1980de@92.231.67.163 with plain) by smtp113.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2011 12:32:47 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cp5ucI2swBDgt7JRmWe4v_wy5rFT5Q-- X-YMail-OSG: 0xE1nc4VM1kJDVLH4WFimUwTWubIg8bWx2LVi7rxu5kuz.u 2n.EgA5ZDc.Y6BuzBKzzXQJBQNl_JhjCrUvAUzsKbXsDh53h7ZGGgi25vQ7D jJsYeoaYzmt4bV4yDJmRO.5QBlRdrVOyN9VHUpsQJA9mzOsfzs8d_ewhP_V4 qoe9.XiUbY9FCoDn.V38sTXD95iQsw0W5dQEXO4rwCrAciOF3UB5GyMNKVS8 .QhJpFmDBfx_0eRWN92ADSetl2kxokqKZgznE.g-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4D3B3219.8050201@yahoo.de> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 20:38:01 +0100 From: Marcus Habermehl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D3761B2.5070507@yahoo.de> <4D37AA47.80808@gnome.org> <20110120043847.GB12357@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <20110120065137.GA24412@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> <4D398B3F.60105@yahoo.de> <20110121161003.GD633@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> <4D39C38B.9060103@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <4D39C38B.9060103@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 20:33:02 -0000 Am 21.01.2011 18:34, schrieb Al Sten-Clanton: > I'm inclined to agree with much of what Steve says. I may value the > distinction between visited and unvisited links more than he does, > though, as it can sometimes help you skip a bunch of links on a page > with a lot of them. (Of course,the find command can do that, but only > if you remember exactly what the link's label is--or enough of it to > make it unique. Yes I was probably a bit quick with my opinion about the visited/unvisited links. After I had sent the message, and some thought I came to a different conclusion. > On 1/21/2011 11:10 AM, Steve Holmes wrote: >> We've had the comparison issues between screen readers in the past. I >> don't want to see Orca implement something just because Jaws has it, >> nor do I want something to be implemented like jaws just just because >> some >> people in windows use jaws. I for one, don't do jaws and have no >> intentions of doing so. If it just so happens that a feature is well >> implemented in jaws, then do it; otherwise, if there is a better way, >> I would rather see that instead. In the case of all these lists for >> different HTML widgets, I think the treeview approach wouldn't be so >> bad but at the very least, I like the idea of a two letter command to >> pop them up. this way, you don't lose so many hot keys right off the >> bat for a single feature. The first letter of the two-letter command >> could open the single dialog for HTML widgets which could actually be >> a treeview. Then the second letter would corespond to the types of >> elements we now have for structural navigation but also take you to >> the matching node in this tree. This way, if one didn't know all the >> possible element types, you could brows this treeview and subsequently >> learn the shortcuts to get to these nodes directly in the future. >> >> So this way, you have the treeview approach but commands to take you >> to separate lists. >> >> Oh, I also see little value in differentiating between visited and >> unvisited links I would just soon find the next link regardless of >> visited or not. Actually, with my suggested deal above, it wouldn't >> matter if you included these separate lists. After all, it might as >> well be consistent with the available structural navigation commands >> we now have. >> >> Hope this all makes sense. >> >> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 02:33:51PM +0100, Marcus Habermehl wrote: >>> Am 20.01.2011 14:15, schrieb Geoff Shang: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I'm very new to Orca, so will keep my comments to a minimum. But you >>>> may want to look at what's been done in NVDA. You only have one dialog >>>> box there and select the type of element to look at. You can also >>>> enter >>>> in a search string to narrow down the list. >>> >>> I wouldn't take the way of NVDA as a good example. NVDA lists only three >>> types of objects, one of which was always empty in my tests. >>> >>> We should prefer commercial screen readers such as Jaws or Hal/Dolphin >>> as an example. I think they are the best known on Windows. >>> >>> Firstly, the developers will have something in mind for their solution >>> and on the other a similar behavior makes it easier to change between >>> Windows and GNOME. >>> >>> Both have separate lists. Hal/Dolphin represents those lists in one >>> window but distributed to different tabs in a notebook. JAWS on the >>> other hand, uses different windows. >>> >>> Greetings >>> Marcus From bmh1980de@yahoo.de Sat Jan 22 20:33:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDB8C75025B for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 20:33:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.989 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.989 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cYOg3LrywHOa for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 20:33:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm29-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm29-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C4B397501B3 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 20:32:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.138.90.53] by nm29.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2011 20:32:51 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.44] by tm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2011 20:32:51 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp112.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2011 20:32:51 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.de; s=s1024; t=1295728371; bh=xucNwfcTSmdOwySFF3JDe7MZadO6mQGrBjlOT5gHjeQ=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=l3XNIuNRSNCKpJ7RwYx2rn5/Ug/0+7WDXXk3fwz3ti4NzrhritK5EH5zu3hqAFt7vW3+FMj7O2SfpZeG1gPiXJX3i9WlEgvhhNJKAKZInHZbQO6zmv9d0VzqGp932J3HmXuBw11bBRFMHJJvkCheA9P9Wk7lapf9mUhYjkmDXf0= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 742973.30474.bm@smtp112.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: from [192.168.1.50] (bmh1980de@92.231.67.163 with plain) by smtp112.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2011 12:32:51 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cp5ucI2swBDgt7JRmWe4v_wy5rFT5Q-- X-YMail-OSG: PGCl650VM1l5ZtbIoR_HzEtSY4LiHafyVNyXsFQUryQl0ga 6kh5Drw7hJP_ursH8bQlZ2ttqZNb00D18pznNl1mBrEzhaEiE7JX2D3I1V_q G.kWcN10Yvk1YQ2kF9FIP32h1u5yWc0ton52oy9m5NhFXVDqLrhFaL4Bh2eU sgeZivuBIpbW35ko1L2XwJ7bou92hvI99E6_6iwtWh_th_KMcDFU5_nlDhbB 9bZq3hBsHGt.GhAsaGq25PnqKhAr_M.vscTjoFVW2YV1jPDusshXWiQNSrPN x837Uj_zycV9eH7C9KQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4D3B3EDF.9080500@yahoo.de> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 21:32:31 +0100 From: Marcus Habermehl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D3761B2.5070507@yahoo.de> <4D37AA47.80808@gnome.org> <20110120043847.GB12357@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <20110120065137.GA24412@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> <4D398B3F.60105@yahoo.de> <20110121161003.GD633@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> <4D3ABB4B.2010103@aim.com> In-Reply-To: <4D3ABB4B.2010103@aim.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 20:33:06 -0000 Am 22.01.2011 12:11, schrieb Michael Whapples: > Hello, > I very much agree with Steve. We certainly should not use many key > presses up for a feature which may or may not be used by some people (I > can say for myself I don't make use of such a feature, even when its > available to me when using Mac and voiceover, I generally prefer jump to > next element of given type or do a search). I have to contradict you. Otherwise we would have to put the flat review to the debate. Just as an example: JAWS has shortcuts for structural navigation and separate lists. No one I know and used JAWS, uses the structural navigation. > Now how might it be done, the treeview is one option, another being the > submenu idea. Now how might these compare for usage? Thinking about it, > the menu/submenu idea is nice as one could press the key to bring up the > menu listing the various types of element (including "All elements") and > then the user could easily jump to the appropriate one using the > shortcut letter. Its the next bit which may not work so well if using > submenus, I don't think GTK menus allow one to type so much of the menu > item they want to go to (like you can on the Mac), so meaning the user > would have to scroll through the menu to find what they want in the > submenu. I'm not sure what do you mean. Do you mean something like this: You are searching for a link 'Login' and type 'log', or do you mean typing 'l' as often as you are at 'Login'? The last one is provided by gtk+. The first one I think not. > Now to the tree view idea, I think this does allow filtering by typing, Yes it does. But currently the search results aren't spoken. See https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=632058. So the first letter search, provided by menus are at the moment more comfortable to the user. > but I am not sure if there is a nice key stroke in gnome/GTK to go back > to parent node of the tree (say I had gone into links and was quite a > way down the links, I don't think there is a key stroke I could use to > go back to the links node which is expanded, may be because I realised I > found it wasn't a link I need but a button). > > If I am wrong about the jumping back to parent nodes in a tree view then > I think the tree view may be better, otherwise I get the feeling the > menu idea is better (IE. if I know the text of what I am looking for > then I could do a standard search for it). I've searched in the sources of gtk+ and found in gtktreeview.c this: gtk_binding_entry_add_signal (binding_set, GDK_BackSpace, 0, "select-cursor-parent", 0); And it works. Backspace brings me back to the parent tree node. I think this is what you mean. > On -10/01/37 20:59, Steve Holmes wrote: >> We've had the comparison issues between screen readers in the past. I >> don't want to see Orca implement something just because Jaws has it, >> nor do I want something to be implemented like jaws just just because >> some >> people in windows use jaws. I for one, don't do jaws and have no >> intentions of doing so. If it just so happens that a feature is well >> implemented in jaws, then do it; otherwise, if there is a better way, >> I would rather see that instead. In the case of all these lists for >> different HTML widgets, I think the treeview approach wouldn't be so >> bad but at the very least, I like the idea of a two letter command to >> pop them up. this way, you don't lose so many hot keys right off the >> bat for a single feature. The first letter of the two-letter command >> could open the single dialog for HTML widgets which could actually be >> a treeview. Then the second letter would corespond to the types of >> elements we now have for structural navigation but also take you to >> the matching node in this tree. This way, if one didn't know all the >> possible element types, you could brows this treeview and subsequently >> learn the shortcuts to get to these nodes directly in the future. >> >> So this way, you have the treeview approach but commands to take you >> to separate lists. >> >> Oh, I also see little value in differentiating between visited and >> unvisited links I would just soon find the next link regardless of >> visited or not. Actually, with my suggested deal above, it wouldn't >> matter if you included these separate lists. After all, it might as >> well be consistent with the available structural navigation commands >> we now have. >> >> Hope this all makes sense. >> >> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 02:33:51PM +0100, Marcus Habermehl wrote: >>> Am 20.01.2011 14:15, schrieb Geoff Shang: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I'm very new to Orca, so will keep my comments to a minimum. But you >>>> may want to look at what's been done in NVDA. You only have one dialog >>>> box there and select the type of element to look at. You can also >>>> enter >>>> in a search string to narrow down the list. >>> I wouldn't take the way of NVDA as a good example. NVDA lists only three >>> types of objects, one of which was always empty in my tests. >>> >>> We should prefer commercial screen readers such as Jaws or Hal/Dolphin >>> as an example. I think they are the best known on Windows. >>> >>> Firstly, the developers will have something in mind for their solution >>> and on the other a similar behavior makes it easier to change between >>> Windows and GNOME. >>> >>> Both have separate lists. Hal/Dolphin represents those lists in one >>> window but distributed to different tabs in a notebook. JAWS on the >>> other hand, uses different windows. >>> >>> Greetings >>> Marcus From blindguy21@gmail.com Sat Jan 22 21:54:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3229975019F; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 21:54:29 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.137 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.137 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=1.553, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GfUFp6vGpAA9; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 21:54:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70EAB75006F; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 21:54:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so2991955iwn.27 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 13:54:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=RV388H2N6RpFdqTDX8vrvlGvLsouSZWpix9Uabz8NDk=; b=T/MPB8vE3d8Ktemx/fY2KSAdFf9OPnfUnhIIadBCw2XuC+zFerEVa8W5Y7eV+0rFsN oksLwbohWa/ZAtGMyXshMHPlLEu7bs71urfuQZ362KH3zgMzYd2LZAeDRqT9dQyfWIZy mULKiqQmnrH773IVOkawUkWTu+zXeRQoMzTq8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=PaoyqCAjoH+Eq15pctg96WCmMwdTjAlaFy+QbWbMXCRkwieTSsZWNuAGNgLSwKiWJB l5bQKipJR9jzFGZuZhCVB/4OLpshAwIXinss8INUelv48hAFitTancxQM68HlqMZV2jZ K6wtNF1CVhmoAJan5Rm4x03OBl0pMFL32DbkE= Received: by 10.231.199.133 with SMTP id es5mr2653155ibb.93.1295733257502; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 13:54:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.9.4.19] ([198.187.154.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i16sm9238492ibl.18.2011.01.22.13.54.14 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 22 Jan 2011 13:54:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D3B51F6.4060605@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 15:53:58 -0600 From: Mike Reiser User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: joanied@gnome.org References: <4D3B3C08.2000900@gnome.org> In-Reply-To: <4D3B3C08.2000900@gnome.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Orca-list Subject: Re: [orca-list] Attention DocSquad -- and others X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 21:54:29 -0000 Is there anything special I need to know about writing on the wiki? Was considering possibly encluding a page on vinux or something. Mike -- Mike Reiser ENG 3113R section 02, 2801 From blindguy21@gmail.com Sat Jan 22 22:01:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B56075019F for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 22:01:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.147 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.147 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=1.553, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9l5wQRflZNxS for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 22:01:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 309AA75006F for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 22:01:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so2994609iwn.27 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 14:01:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=quE6gyQ0JJxZb5iIota/p5Cjk/x9gv08EFrnCGgEo7k=; b=eulGTYzikV5Qo7pf7oQg4JuhrX9gc0tYsmzwlkfuwb/NUf4aw/BwyCHC/CQjiMwCNo 5rzfo/C/CoGIII3lGKDB/Cl734B0KJjJgVJJ51J3HaywtmwN/TlLfZtJU980gc0k1rYd KM7P1xOMfXsBhooP8QxW8QOlpPBfZNkAxcNq0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ApqfVr6Fx0MV5ZxZEtY3OGKHEXApjUCbsbaX5Mx0nICfbhzVnqAug8BBMu8m0R35e5 7V00/K0Dj70Bbqrpu6Zu9IYN+597u3FfBykru8ipAuYtUhoVBNpc4qebiVczSgCrSNZy Tx+j6yK0XuDq4dwYux5Mf58CuLC/gXLkb8fwU= Received: by 10.231.39.71 with SMTP id f7mr2624094ibe.182.1295733665512; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 14:01:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.9.4.19] ([198.187.154.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i16sm9240325ibl.12.2011.01.22.14.01.03 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 22 Jan 2011 14:01:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D3B538F.7020602@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 16:00:47 -0600 From: Mike Reiser User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marcus Habermehl References: <4D3761B2.5070507@yahoo.de> <4D37AA47.80808@gnome.org> <20110120043847.GB12357@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <20110120065137.GA24412@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> <4D398B3F.60105@yahoo.de> <20110121161003.GD633@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> <4D3ABB4B.2010103@aim.com> <4D3B3EDF.9080500@yahoo.de> In-Reply-To: <4D3B3EDF.9080500@yahoo.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 22:01:17 -0000 I personally would much prefer a single tree view that shows items and I could type the letter of the item I want and it narrows the links/headings or whatever down as I type. This could be in a seperate edit field or something. Also, when in the tree left and right arrows or another key could cycle between individual elements. The hot keys just seem to overwhelming and too many to remember. Mike -- Mike Reiser ENG 3113R section 02, 2801 From jason@jasonjgw.net Sat Jan 22 22:31:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 685C575019F for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 22:31:54 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bYB43RftWBf8 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 22:31:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from speakup.octothorp.org (speakup.octothorp.org [174.136.97.10]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BA8E75006F for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 22:31:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jdc.jasonjgw.net ([IPv6:2001:44b8:702a:4770::2]) by speakup.octothorp.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p0MMVbRN014466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 22:31:41 GMT Received: by jdc.jasonjgw.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 17801180003F1; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 09:31:24 +1100 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=jasonjgw.net; s=mail; t=1295735484; bh=SILQrXTi+K/kOKLhFqatY93oQ66JaX/lSBYGsifXiVE=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:In-Reply-To; b=AEgtbNBpfJHfGVpoLBDy3oJ2GgvXiM/5apGiRylp6DKr6Q5kzIkxleml88k9aOlrp AWwgIIYq+GnCuq/Cl3k3mRm4VZKNFlJSnSkUMR6ypQr7CmeNLyXU/kWEJfLVmkX9xd B4sYkUlqQWpNeHWYPJX86IHHDkRz8uRxwf7eSvb0= Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 09:31:24 +1100 From: Jason White To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110122223123.GA6140@jdc.jasonjgw.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D3AC7E6.7070405@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D3AC7E6.7070405@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Alternatives for Open Office X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 22:31:54 -0000 Luciano de Souza wrote: > Since Open Office is not reliable, I decide to search for other > alternatives. StarOffice, KOffice, GOffice, AbiWord, GWriter, > XEmacs, IBM Lotus Symphony could be tested, regarding the target of > these applications are similar to Open Ofice. > > Which of then were you tested? Can I use one of then in place of the > whole Open Office or simply in place of Writer or Calc? For writing documents I use LaTeX under Emacs. You can also prepare slide presentations with LaTeX. LaTeX is better than a word processor and always will be. Org-mode in Emacs is also very good. It can handle tables and apparently has spreadsheet-like capabilities that I haven't yet needed to try. It's ideal for note taking; documents can be exported to XHTML, LaTeX and Docbook. If you are in a career that requires you to edit documents in an office format, you really do need Openoffice.org or LibreOffice, so I would encourage you to report all of the accessibility-related issues in those projects that you discover. From znvyyvfgf@gmail.com Sat Jan 22 23:38:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8809175020B for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 23:38:30 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Cv5sM7MYddIE for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 23:38:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA2B87501FF for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 23:38:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxh35 with SMTP id 35so942348yxh.27 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 15:38:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=CBeZjOBncwz6Qs7SvwfSqvYAPpQYrgSJZjiE6g08JsM=; b=RG45ae8NGhPvg7fIs2GksxEIY902J6+pxeI3zYQL8rm2v4/ZNp5nMdx92alqGTNmHl b7T5NJw0hAQ1bYSCGQtMnKF4CiTp/UH36QISDF26jUkcCyd0U/V8vduYGjNigdTKT32B PcLR70WgKM+7bj1+dpBHhLDEG7PO2UMVevGGI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=ATTNPlP61UT0ITD7JuzAHr0ocJAZ3w3xEaFA9K8ZwHQWnwVge/2ISNmTsn8eeXrpgu PsEDS6slA/LcGK0HNXlzVpU5qDz+E/U/pCX+LEiGMlP1BqanlQbiKtCaBNWAjmr19xil kwmJc7OsFa1mREWBOD3vmWWkt/GP232Ao9ZCM= Received: by 10.150.136.20 with SMTP id j20mr2707699ybd.29.1295739497842; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 15:38:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (c-76-127-93-92.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [76.127.93.92]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r24sm1603037yba.6.2011.01.22.15.38.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 22 Jan 2011 15:38:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 23:38:14 +0000 From: Frost To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110122233814.GA11279@rivensight.dyndns.org> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: [orca-list] bug-buddy? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 23:38:30 -0000 On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 01:11:33PM -0800, Tom Masterson wrote: > I find that whenever bug-buddy comes up orca goes away. So far the > only way I have found to get orca back is to go to a console that > doesn't use orca and kill the bug-buddy process. Wonder if it's like my problem in Debian Squeeze, where I have to drop to a text console and mpg321 an mp3 file to get Orca and the audio system talking again in the GUI. HTH, because all my SoundBlaster XFi Titanium does is buzz at me while Orca tries to say anything. Michael From joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Sat Jan 22 23:54:46 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71269750290 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 23:54:46 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id myJDpol1m-t2 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 23:54:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qy0-f175.google.com (mail-qy0-f175.google.com [209.85.216.175]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51F3975020B for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 23:54:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk8 with SMTP id 8so1683771qyk.6 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 15:54:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent :mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=k2/aeX6e5ODJZnumF1RxsCxFTDljaGQz2TIUNQDZ7tc=; b=tq7YT7T76Mh5a9ZNxSO/5p4v44T8+6prfzy+xHTcX1fDN38ToS2IDF2xAmtcGhhAqD Ed/NwfHQImqGmyfb1mB62haRc6XQGfvJfrYLDG8JkABoGX43Tbu0AKrH48Cud+GLLYxx nBms5CeCrX4wt345CP+aErbCrJlnkluUWb2HI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=wQCgntRATqKsmmWi/Jq+pnXVLadi5fyzWHvzQsqorrvHdEb90NYxNpw5yWBSOrsxgL 458msVVWUBPVfTkvpIwxNp++Qg8UBwyfjVYIn+jhGO55wehIDG8Z5+2AppATQTi4Z6nZ YCsvXV9T4AQayZAtFxxfjVymhP6oYImCFyINk= Received: by 10.224.73.137 with SMTP id q9mr2418160qaj.53.1295740474157; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 15:54:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.35.105] (c-98-217-239-60.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [98.217.239.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q12sm7935039qcu.18.2011.01.22.15.54.30 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 22 Jan 2011 15:54:33 -0800 (PST) Sender: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <4D3B6E32.9020500@gnome.org> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 18:54:26 -0500 From: Joanmarie Diggs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b10pre) Gecko/20110122 Thunderbird/3.3a3pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Reiser References: <4D3B3C08.2000900@gnome.org> <4D3B51F6.4060605@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4D3B51F6.4060605@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Orca-list Subject: Re: [orca-list] Attention DocSquad -- and others X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: joanied@gnome.org List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 23:54:46 -0000 Hey Mike. > Is there anything special I need to know about writing on the wiki? Well, the GNOME wiki uses MoinMoin. If you are editing a page, you'll find links at the bottom for these two pages: * http://live.gnome.org/HelpOnMoinWikiSyntax * http://live.gnome.org/HelpOnEditing Those pages explain pretty much everything you need to know. Having said that.... Another way to learn about basic markup on our wiki is to just follow the 'edit' link on a page which contains the element type you want and look at how it was done. Then immediately cancel the edit. And having said that... If the only thing that is preventing you from writing documents is wiki syntax (or Mallard syntax in the case of Orca help files), heck, write it in plain text. There are other community members who are familiar with MoinMoin and/or Mallard who could then take your content and make it available. > considering possibly encluding a page on vinux or something. I think that sounds like a splendid idea! Thanks and take care. --joanie From joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Sun Jan 23 00:07:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99009750290 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 00:07:21 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PC4v4spy-4-i for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 00:07:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qy0-f175.google.com (mail-qy0-f175.google.com [209.85.216.175]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8469B75020B for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 00:07:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk8 with SMTP id 8so1687205qyk.6 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 16:07:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent :mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=isn678ULBEn/BO/oAJG9DTccHm+IcZwqLBkdg3mZh/c=; b=tAc1wkU+w8USTg/QAzbIYCUXGc4uAw+KLLgY4m9vyAM6q+HNQUjzswAxQ7BCB7wd4F hjoVmVQPpp7BWV70ni6KcG5BAh8PHPCCC2KOhBDSzBWwZmd7OFxWzxy+pGfkBMgUPkx/ mEtVzVRlQRpnMZ8C6LXGa7zFxJ8RtgpbR3oqM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=cLtJh3D8Lt+pa5lKncDVWMGZL/36WW6ISR9YgCwLMvQmnV7xGtBYux+Q1Oq0jPRlp6 qPhmVByxVGUkdgt0pQV0IVjE7rat84ylirmYLjTTy5EyOJXwPz4+uas1Fb3HAYKFpyzw rIyaudiY0vNqXh9t+0Hs6vys4JzKn3uZyp4yI= Received: by 10.224.60.134 with SMTP id p6mr2326211qah.342.1295741228785; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 16:07:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.35.105] (c-98-217-239-60.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [98.217.239.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l12sm7945670qcu.31.2011.01.22.16.07.06 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 22 Jan 2011 16:07:07 -0800 (PST) Sender: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <4D3B7127.7090707@gnome.org> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 19:07:03 -0500 From: Joanmarie Diggs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b10pre) Gecko/20110122 Thunderbird/3.3a3pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marcus Habermehl References: <4D3761B2.5070507@yahoo.de> <4D37AA47.80808@gnome.org> <20110120043847.GB12357@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <20110120065137.GA24412@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> <4D398B3F.60105@yahoo.de> <4D399C31.9000900@pickup.hu> <4D3AEB30.6090500@yahoo.de> In-Reply-To: <4D3AEB30.6090500@yahoo.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: joanied@gnome.org List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 00:07:21 -0000 Hey Marcus, all. > Currently I have implemented menus for all structural objects using the > structural navigation shortcuts. > > Orca+Ctrl+A pop-ups a menu with all anchors > Orca+Ctrl+Q pop-ups a menu with all blockquotes > Orca+Ctrl+B pop-ups a menu with all buttons [snip] Did you do this through automatic generation, or hard-binding? In other words, consider the following two examples: 1. A user decides to change all of the Structural Navigation keybindings so that the letters used correspond with the first letter of the element name in his/her native language. So, maybe anchors is now T and Shift+T. It would be nice if the user didn't have to also rebind all the lists; instead Orca+Ctrl+T should automatically just become the binding for a list of anchors. (As an aside, such an approach would presumably also address the case where users don't want to have bindings for lists of structural navigation elements at all. They could just disable the list functionality through a single setting and those bindings would never come into existence.) 2. A new structural navigation type gets added: Spelling errors. This new magical object allows you to jump amongst words flagged as misspelled. It would be really cool if -- without any additional code or bindings changes -- one could obtain a list of spelling errors in a dialog. FWIW, back when I was playing with all this myself -- giving up (temporarily) due to the speed issue you and Attila mentioned on large pages -- I merely had made some minor additions to the structural navigation code which made it possible to list any object type. It also used the existing 'label guess' code (currently in Gecko, in the process of being cleaned up and pulled out of Gecko so any module can use it, e.g. Orca's WebKitGtk support) for guessing the labels of unlabeled form fields. Take care. --joanie From bmh1980de@yahoo.de Sun Jan 23 00:54:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0DB27500C4 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 00:54:07 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.989 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.989 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=unavailable Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CWIDgU5oJAKs for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 00:54:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm17.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm17.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.52.214]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0A5AA750075 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 00:53:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.52.191] by nm17.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2011 00:53:54 -0000 Received: from [74.6.228.33] by tm4.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2011 00:53:54 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp102.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2011 00:53:54 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.de; s=s1024; t=1295744034; bh=Y2xRhz9u6srxzVzrmXCCmZTXE4fPE9s87/AomjrdpiI=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PBxMMB6JZfQzo0sCURcwprBkPpe2E21QnRGAei2jtCSF5w5vtuL+aePt/3hbcQjFjINmGEmLoR9JwCYg3UMzu9bWU43LtYrsiirRjVHpkH3IsMp9dGurvUVXozU6r2OU9tOtzNP2F+2PaXzmXW0Eh7CUFtyXMd8FVLI+POpfBMs= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 131747.67479.bm@smtp102.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: from [192.168.1.50] (bmh1980de@92.231.67.163 with plain) by smtp102.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2011 16:53:53 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cp5ucI2swBDgt7JRmWe4v_wy5rFT5Q-- X-YMail-OSG: yrBWpDsVM1mPl1D3tjfae5v06QsTRtMjNyOhovLo6iCLkWT veOpa7QcSdlyExS7iWlj1DElrfrt0Ox5tSv0c4WdFgP4jdTdZwoLYpKfmg1U 9_ju5v2Ti7XZCqqPHAxO7qBL7M8N5HcEtUtAYt5srjSTrzpGjqcdO.x3n8Xa DvoJ5VkBAlWIi.APMCPYJbtmgEzJ8ai0w2N4pau3_PQdnW0S4l1ai9nDYiYv dL4jqzlhsAJY6.Ekga9rb9mvWoJOxPkt9eJYBwOGOYItZH0L1lBqQVHcF01i ZatFA3lWRSyBqm.I5yud3QnpOlB2SjGi6M_jSoGxbKWnYgC1F0c8J_CETyDH xJW_rit8S9nWv.o6dQy9f X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4D3B7785.9030605@yahoo.de> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 01:34:13 +0100 From: Marcus Habermehl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: joanied@gnome.org References: <4D3761B2.5070507@yahoo.de> <4D37AA47.80808@gnome.org> <20110120043847.GB12357@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <20110120065137.GA24412@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> <4D398B3F.60105@yahoo.de> <4D399C31.9000900@pickup.hu> <4D3AEB30.6090500@yahoo.de> <4D3B7127.7090707@gnome.org> In-Reply-To: <4D3B7127.7090707@gnome.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 00:54:08 -0000 Am 23.01.2011 01:07, schrieb Joanmarie Diggs: > Hey Marcus, all. > >> Currently I have implemented menus for all structural objects using the >> structural navigation shortcuts. >> >> Orca+Ctrl+A pop-ups a menu with all anchors >> Orca+Ctrl+Q pop-ups a menu with all blockquotes >> Orca+Ctrl+B pop-ups a menu with all buttons > > [snip] > > Did you do this through automatic generation, or hard-binding? In other > words, consider the following two examples: > > 1. A user decides to change all of the Structural Navigation keybindings > so that the letters used correspond with the first letter of the element > name in his/her native language. So, maybe anchors is now T and Shift+T. > It would be nice if the user didn't have to also rebind all the lists; > instead Orca+Ctrl+T should automatically just become the binding for a > list of anchors. (As an aside, such an approach would presumably also > address the case where users don't want to have bindings for lists of > structural navigation elements at all. They could just disable the list > functionality through a single setting and those bindings would never > come into existence.) The bindings are hardcoded. For my new test I have gone another way than before. 1. I have created a new script object_menu.py, where the code for the pop-up menu and the functions for label guessing are located. 2. Instead of redefining every search funtion/method in a separate script, I have extendet structural_navigation.py. As example for anchors I have added this two lines: listDesc = _("Show list of anchors.") bindings["list"] = ["a", settings.ORCA_CTRL_MODIFIER_MASK, listDesc] Because the "next" and "previous" bindings have a hardcoded "a" binding, I have used this in my new "list" binding, too. The new pop-up menu is using the criteria/predicate (for searching) and present (for presenting) properties of the corresponding StructuralNavigationObject instance. This safes many lines of code. The current changes will result into a patch with ~ 850 lines. My last patch on the other hand has more than 1500 lines. > 2. A new structural navigation type gets added: Spelling errors. This > new magical object allows you to jump amongst words flagged as > misspelled. It would be really cool if -- without any additional code or > bindings changes -- one could obtain a list of spelling errors in a dialog. This could be done if you add two lines like above to the corresponding method (_spellingErrorsBindings or so). As I said the search and presentation is done by the *Criteria/*Predicate and *Presentation methods. I think this is a more better solution than my separeted scripts before. > FWIW, back when I was playing with all this myself -- giving up > (temporarily) due to the speed issue you and Attila mentioned on large > pages -- I merely had made some minor additions to the structural > navigation code which made it possible to list any object type. It also > used the existing 'label guess' code (currently in Gecko, in the process > of being cleaned up and pulled out of Gecko so any module can use it, > e.g. Orca's WebKitGtk support) for guessing the labels of unlabeled form > fields. joanie, I have tested the guessTheLabel method some days ago to save more code. But this method has returned mostly empty labels. And currently it seems to me that this method is only executed on form fields. Could this be true? Greetings Marcus From bmh1980de@yahoo.de Sun Jan 23 00:54:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C22737500A5 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 00:54:07 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6togIxYjyG9V for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 00:54:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm29.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm29.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.52.226]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B49477500A4 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 00:53:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.52.188] by nm29.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2011 00:53:55 -0000 Received: from [74.6.228.51] by tm1.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2011 00:53:55 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp110.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2011 00:53:55 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.de; s=s1024; t=1295744035; bh=1OsXtT/AMQMLcY/S7jZkT8SBIY4GdCpO9y/0DwfEdgA=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=BSmc4eKUl2sNbHAXDxJL8+KEm1luLqW+/GSUwIZcnimeABh6WdXDmhHRFHGoIuROq21Sa43GuWXj/15kwQZQoZ9UoyQxTzBW8zq7cxuQV/njM+Tejc5rXMkmIre04FlSRTp8ax1GCtTtxHAcmWnn5PtK0BJqKZMONO+QiejmWtE= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 823542.17464.bm@smtp110.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: from [192.168.1.50] (bmh1980de@92.231.67.163 with plain) by smtp110.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2011 16:53:55 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cp5ucI2swBDgt7JRmWe4v_wy5rFT5Q-- X-YMail-OSG: kVa_oUYVM1n.rI43ITP0J2kUp_wRuD3efA733JYWM8MipcW V_na0.MHVppMsI06XkPWh7.EAvxmf7iGa20PBng2K8up1Hr7P8tgBn8Xrroh I21T1sxiJ2fcDxr9lKJpfhal5cQOX8Ue5I_JyoS93Md2_D3FYlnqmgtFlTyp fbIIFtfmsBnexqfVw40bfQgRisK27aO91oWgrNJEsauTKiCZPkZvk2_rEPLT NhmyM.nzu.aMbpU0dyEbq7YSaaB6nFLjliDW7_Gb8uwu9c7e.2rVyp7FC4h. bBlYlr9UeAiELiS4rvpxG43idAK4.TpzOQsxLDnxoNsdwNAlupgk9FujuvjL xQJ8z3xlSp5yVEKjUo0hd X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4D3B7A43.7070908@yahoo.de> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 01:45:55 +0100 From: Marcus Habermehl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Reiser References: <4D3761B2.5070507@yahoo.de> <4D37AA47.80808@gnome.org> <20110120043847.GB12357@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <20110120065137.GA24412@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> <4D398B3F.60105@yahoo.de> <20110121161003.GD633@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> <4D3ABB4B.2010103@aim.com> <4D3B3EDF.9080500@yahoo.de> <4D3B538F.7020602@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4D3B538F.7020602@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 00:54:08 -0000 Am 22.01.2011 23:00, schrieb Mike Reiser: > I personally would much prefer a single tree view that shows items and I > could type the letter of the item I want and it narrows the > links/headings or whatever down as I type. This could be in a seperate > edit field or something. Also, when in the tree left and right arrows > or another key could cycle between individual elements. The hot keys > just seem to overwhelming and too many to remember. As I said, currently Orca doesn't speak search results in tree-/listviews. The feature to search in tree-/listviews and go with down/up to the next/previous search result is already implemented in gtk+. In #620331 we have already testet a separate entry as search field. But with it you have to jump from the list to the entry or reverse. I think, in that case, you would find an object faster with structural navigation. If both, single list and separated lists are implemented, there is no reason to remember every shortcut. :-) Especially sine the shortcuts are basing on the bindings of the structural navigation. Greetings Marcus From bmh1980de@yahoo.de Sun Jan 23 00:54:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 268F7750263 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 00:54:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AaPvQDFYC5it for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 00:54:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm22.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm22.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.52.219]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9696275006F for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 00:53:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.52.190] by nm22.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2011 00:53:57 -0000 Received: from [74.6.228.38] by tm3.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2011 00:53:57 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp107.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2011 00:53:57 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.de; s=s1024; t=1295744037; bh=UpysTGAc8atqlqMVVuBpiroh6MkdI4GQKZDnCgfLElE=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pP5cGXD0ndpeHmcgqCGO30bhjmUO4bOdlKWFH6y2H70HG2vKPxirD3mC2u4yGQbUz0Sn2nZzOcwGPHWyhEVigycqYrTr4Nb0J0GsIe4nlNrjeECvebCbRh0icPc2lrkeCpdX/UfTSjqoj/nrYv5tfpcujABd1GRmZCpojncT00g= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 578375.82312.bm@smtp107.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: from [192.168.1.50] (bmh1980de@92.231.67.163 with plain) by smtp107.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2011 16:53:57 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cp5ucI2swBDgt7JRmWe4v_wy5rFT5Q-- X-YMail-OSG: bkrwu6QVM1lsL5dAvFCAhPyGkB6LuYTte6vu6S1pY3LRfTn Ll.MrodbHaBwY9J5gtDyNWib2vj9excaQMZs4pAqeHJPK4ObfRhaRQKwH0gG NRduc8gL56Uhw63H_4h72i8M0fUE.pJw55C5oj2RRWdUsA9sU658_iBUqQjE xc6SV2GzVN0ow7DCN0OO6jWqzr_mW_cDTOg8f_pP6GUeuD.YYAMaFYCGKJYx Iyfiob5ToLlrXVwYLMgh856nQp5.9Iovwre2IRYJ83Zams.ZjtqfDcc61fOJ ixJ3360m0q458VEMjfGJw2lWsg1fnUwDtYiRFJcIbL9eHrbseytxqTG6zoFo B33.wKGmNDjtL7wLxrL8Q X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4D3B7C19.3070604@yahoo.de> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 01:53:45 +0100 From: Marcus Habermehl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christopher Chaltain References: <4D3761B2.5070507@yahoo.de> <4D37AA47.80808@gnome.org> <20110120043847.GB12357@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <20110120065137.GA24412@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> <4D398B3F.60105@yahoo.de> <20110121161003.GD633@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> <4D3B0807.3030605@yahoo.de> <4D3B69A3.2070205@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4D3B69A3.2070205@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list Subject: Re: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 00:54:10 -0000 Am 23.01.2011 00:34, schrieb Christopher Chaltain: > On 1/22/2011 10:38 AM, Marcus Habermehl wrote: >> Am 21.01.2011 17:10, schrieb Steve Holmes: >>> We've had the comparison issues between screen readers in the past. I >>> don't want to see Orca implement something just because Jaws has it, >>> nor do I want something to be implemented like jaws just just because >>> some >>> people in windows use jaws. I for one, don't do jaws and have no >>> intentions of doing so. If it just so happens that a feature is well >>> implemented in jaws, then do it; otherwise, if there is a better way, >>> I would rather see that instead. >> >> I agree with you completely. To me it's not about that JAWS has >> individual lists. Only I am of the opinion that there is a reason that >> two different screen readers have individual lists. > > This is just how I surf the web, but I don't use the elements lists in > JAWS hardly at all anymore, now that I can use quick keys to jump from > link to link or heading to heading. One of the reasons I prefer this > approach is that I can use the context of the text around links with > names like "Click here" to see what they're referring to. I personally > wouldn't find this feature very useful, and I don't think this feature > is as useful in JFW as it was before they implemented quick key > navigation. Like I said, this is just my opinion, and how I surf the web. Yes, it's really interesting. Before this discussion I was thinking the lists are used more than the structural navigation. Because every one I know is using the lists only. I think that all three (structural navigation, single list, multiple lists) options have their advantages and disadvantages. Depending on your habits and use. Because of this I would implement all three options. Greetings Marcus From blindguy21@gmail.com Sun Jan 23 01:17:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5505D75006F; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 01:17:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.137 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.137 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=1.553, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oybqYPo4Q7Jm; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 01:17:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07C9B750075; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 01:16:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyb26 with SMTP id 26so3046236iyb.27 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 17:16:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=1l3Cnoq0/1gxpgIgQYkdMuK3EHzNR4AkwdEkCkB2Umo=; b=R+PEPGre8ogBi6q99iudqo3q/v3upJmLVBUdEPg7FOCURK+eVsFZTrPKxZakOiLIR8 C/XfOH1HfTO6WSUAkU+JRufy5c92i2dOzdodImVZPrc5zPyBJAOJsKGMYr/1YgN+6aFH Jw0WoAUIdHDCVMpa3S1R8pX4QNHj5fPyxTr4w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=YtxsKkse3wr4mRNG+ILwwQnZkMnURLKzn7yg58iHasThuparQcpELMQFYTYaXowrwp lJtGWhze9dpDDZWMTCYav2V1bPsgo+CV/tugEUAD0MCjpI6MUM72GVGVAl11YOCxTmZI XEc8fGq+94An7rKFTF3toBUXOfwTLxgQFkr2Q= Received: by 10.42.240.68 with SMTP id kz4mr2828667icb.471.1295745148743; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 17:12:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.9.4.19] ([198.187.154.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d21sm9386310ibg.9.2011.01.22.17.12.26 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 22 Jan 2011 17:12:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D3B806A.3050901@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 19:12:10 -0600 From: Mike Reiser User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: joanied@gnome.org References: <4D3B3C08.2000900@gnome.org> <4D3B51F6.4060605@gmail.com> <4D3B6E32.9020500@gnome.org> In-Reply-To: <4D3B6E32.9020500@gnome.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Orca-list Subject: Re: [orca-list] Attention DocSquad -- and others X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 01:17:05 -0000 Hi Joanni, Do I use git submit anything I might write or an ftp site or something? I can't remember if you posted instructions before or not. Thanks, Mike -- Mike From bmh1980de@yahoo.de Sun Jan 23 01:22:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A343750075 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 01:22:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.989 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.989 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NxJiT0KngwA2 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 01:22:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm8-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm8-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.194]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AE00A75006F for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 01:22:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.91.61] by nm8.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2011 01:22:04 -0000 Received: from [98.136.185.40] by tm1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2011 01:22:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2011 01:22:04 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.de; s=s1024; t=1295745724; bh=839XaSfUKhMMKTUyKF3KvOpqEXBg7AoSZS9RgX0a7M8=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=lCVp2wajvNKg191Pat/2XwkH6/WIkvyr66nn7w0itOcRmhU4/LnylcE41LPCz+qSFG3B6oHJgjTekx2293Ixafrjfvk8lDz9a+w94b7fEPsdWKpOqYoli7BSyaq/ai8uZtYCkFuSjGN8GLB8LxGQmlFrL9z+3ZPf6j890F1pDG0= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 643820.95312.bm@smtp101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com Received: from [192.168.1.50] (bmh1980de@92.231.67.163 with plain) by smtp101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2011 17:22:04 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cp5ucI2swBDgt7JRmWe4v_wy5rFT5Q-- X-YMail-OSG: mSwGphEVM1m9aX4Z9v9PMIAcyLIoqAXmEwPA07srf1Tdcc8 k7toOeWJtGplhaT8CXA_9aJOPntmusWHR9ycVxM6azhFnKW00G3AqLc_882T og9EDqb5FhhMK845IblsViwK7l3dSHwrKu_Vipf48OLyOZze0bNQPHgSzLa1 Yfg78UcC5_z1dZRBzVG2CwXpQsVOwN1f4ymw2EyS0KPcI_LTGtbf6HyH0MJn g3F3A3iBz9wf6wle50JZqvw4m3W5bgpftsdkEXFHoW0BblPJKdzSiKEpp7q. XK1mYjI4rHwBK1OYHSY.4yc2NWPh0uj8Y09W3cO8RYjFK3LdFYMHwlXpc_lK WCzSzlec1eWZDHfTIWIke X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4D3B82BA.1000206@yahoo.de> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 02:22:02 +0100 From: Marcus Habermehl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D3761B2.5070507@yahoo.de> <4D37AA47.80808@gnome.org> <20110120043847.GB12357@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <20110120065137.GA24412@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> <4D398B3F.60105@yahoo.de> <4D399C31.9000900@pickup.hu> <4D3AEB30.6090500@yahoo.de> <4D3B7127.7090707@gnome.org> <4D3B7785.9030605@yahoo.de> In-Reply-To: <4D3B7785.9030605@yahoo.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 01:22:16 -0000 Am 23.01.2011 01:34, schrieb Marcus Habermehl: > Am 23.01.2011 01:07, schrieb Joanmarie Diggs: [...] >> FWIW, back when I was playing with all this myself -- giving up >> (temporarily) due to the speed issue you and Attila mentioned on large >> pages -- I merely had made some minor additions to the structural >> navigation code which made it possible to list any object type. It also >> used the existing 'label guess' code (currently in Gecko, in the process >> of being cleaned up and pulled out of Gecko so any module can use it, >> e.g. Orca's WebKitGtk support) for guessing the labels of unlabeled form >> fields. > > joanie, I have tested the guessTheLabel method some days ago to save > more code. But this method has returned mostly empty labels. And > currently it seems to me that this method is only executed on form > fields. Could this be true? Please ignore this question. To get a answer, I have to read the comments. :-) Marcus From joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Sun Jan 23 01:27:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFCDB750075 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 01:27:43 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RrfeRonmZgIN for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 01:27:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97B077500C0 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 01:27:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwj9 with SMTP id 9so2984229qwj.27 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 17:27:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent :mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=I8Q+kJO8Fh0EEXOUQba4xcbAnlf4Zedx3XPYDCy9rYs=; b=W3iPbJpQkHNXJTzZkJtyib3xopvxlUdxKDZkcSx8n5paFjh8sohUkSCelZPr1xDtl7 eGq8V8TnQDCVnVOskLrnTx+ypgf2xiPLJAgdAJDscRI7br2a76SP2hRrrDL9YpglYpfF JrbgKBEKQ7i1L4JbDKTjmQNyfAUzr7huJb6z8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=slNv1APVrcqZV7eeXklDUpBBOq5/af+GLfvy8w/CF4TRhLZszXOjspetckuzt/mlt1 /ZEQpPzlmuy4Mp320TcQOmKglFcYVBLnUlys0dPx+U+9DH8ihgsWJcHBS/1M/JhYb0M2 4UYO+sZ/IVAkjgpmtqC3izn5c/v/RXq7iHxIU= Received: by 10.224.45.137 with SMTP id e9mr2479706qaf.52.1295746050767; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 17:27:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.35.105] (c-98-217-239-60.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [98.217.239.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t7sm7996190qcs.28.2011.01.22.17.27.29 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 22 Jan 2011 17:27:29 -0800 (PST) Sender: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <4D3B8402.4010207@gnome.org> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 20:27:30 -0500 From: Joanmarie Diggs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b10pre) Gecko/20110122 Thunderbird/3.3a3pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marcus Habermehl References: <4D3761B2.5070507@yahoo.de> <4D37AA47.80808@gnome.org> <20110120043847.GB12357@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <20110120065137.GA24412@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> <4D398B3F.60105@yahoo.de> <4D399C31.9000900@pickup.hu> <4D3AEB30.6090500@yahoo.de> <4D3B7127.7090707@gnome.org> <4D3B7785.9030605@yahoo.de> In-Reply-To: <4D3B7785.9030605@yahoo.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: joanied@gnome.org List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 01:27:44 -0000 Hey Marcus. > The new pop-up menu is using the criteria/predicate (for searching) and > present (for presenting) properties of the corresponding > StructuralNavigationObject instance. Awesome. It sounds like you are (already were) heading in the same direction I was envisioning. Nice! > This safes many lines of code. The current changes will result into a > patch with ~ 850 lines. My last patch on the other hand has more than > 1500 lines. Also nice. > This could be done if you add two lines like above to the corresponding > method (_spellingErrorsBindings or so). As I said the search and > presentation is done by the *Criteria/*Predicate and *Presentation methods. Two lines ain't bad. :-) > joanie, I have tested the guessTheLabel method some days ago to save > more code. But this method has returned mostly empty labels. And > currently it seems to me that this method is only executed on form > fields. Could this be true? Not just could; definitely is. What label guessing* does is just that: guess** the label for unlabeled form fields. Ignoring Orca for a moment... A label is not the same as a name; it's a separate object (GtkLabel, , etc.) that... labels... another object. And that typically only occurs in form fields (and dialog boxes): specifically in widgets which expect data to be provided or altered. Getting back to Orca.... If a widget is properly labelled, then then that widget should obtain its (accessible) name via the label automagically. Thus there is no reason for us to guess a label because we have a name we can trust. If the thing isn't a widget, but is instead some sort of text object, then it doesn't make sense to guess as we're interested in the displayed text. (Make sense?) --joanie * soon to be renamed label inference -- Ale doesn't like 'guess' ;-) ** infer ;-) From joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Sun Jan 23 01:56:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBA2F7500A4 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 01:56:26 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id idQIXRhfFzap for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 01:56:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAFB175006F for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 01:56:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwj9 with SMTP id 9so2990378qwj.27 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 17:56:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent :mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=52HuVLtTsZBy8KptNjp5Ul5j0HdBpf4ucDZFpZv+2k4=; b=gKNbVzmNH6SU9xK8fX1gr9+mId7VBdEnHEZNIE4eUexLJgoZQMBN/2BTCIsj1w9vCO X1FkVlIu5MAOSiImn9BzE4K1hCr4QmD/tWQscgYyuGbI3hNXRfjDMoHuKftF4ZUXGDir 2meNhXdoTZZNsPDiW1mf8STPlh1MH+CsS2GEE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=KTaqcmw0NE4SV4J4uWLWR+nJauvCCaCC6AEy0vKq1xk8pdDPwZYATK45bZU4kVvxRN 1P7vRcnWQ8E06XQk4Z/hs9ThwguFa6WUXT2QoEdD/gwTfUxXrotQqK/gcjnJi4yoZbmF UZagCWuab9PGxrAU8oa2edkg2LFrIUBB6zQUs= Received: by 10.229.213.146 with SMTP id gw18mr2252400qcb.211.1295747774255; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 17:56:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.35.105] (c-98-217-239-60.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [98.217.239.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q12sm8013586qcu.18.2011.01.22.17.56.13 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 22 Jan 2011 17:56:13 -0800 (PST) Sender: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <4D3B8ABF.1090808@gnome.org> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 20:56:15 -0500 From: Joanmarie Diggs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b10pre) Gecko/20110122 Thunderbird/3.3a3pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Reiser References: <4D3B3C08.2000900@gnome.org> <4D3B51F6.4060605@gmail.com> <4D3B6E32.9020500@gnome.org> <4D3B806A.3050901@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4D3B806A.3050901@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Orca-list Subject: Re: [orca-list] Attention DocSquad -- and others X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: joanied@gnome.org List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 01:56:27 -0000 Hi Mike. > Do I use git submit anything I might write or an ftp site or something? > I can't remember if you posted instructions before or not. Thanks, Nope on all fronts: Don't use git, I didn't post instructions. Wiki content should either go directly on the wiki or it can be posted here in plain text. Content that should be considered for addition in Orca's official help can be added as an attachment to a new bug in GNOME's bugzilla or alternatively posted here. Take care. --joanie From chaltain@gmail.com Sun Jan 23 02:05:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 424D87500A4 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 02:05:52 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zXJiA+RbivYR for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 02:05:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yi0-f54.google.com (mail-yi0-f54.google.com [209.85.218.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5914D75006F for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 02:05:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yie19 with SMTP id 19so960891yie.27 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 18:05:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NZiChuKHBGiLj9MMJhfw7aPGV7Ayc0kqIMqU936TUw8=; b=aR5cK7tvXKqqcJZClQ8+r0Iiefbee4/ICeWxOVytE/825VM5rg2/gybU6kVNFy6LBC 1OmHSeDbW4/houbgPSaAk5R1BJnt6EmTZipSNuwlm6ZhCh8yBmwI448mqGsDliFGz+Z9 f/9ygVyBZkJDEWA17lsac3G/A6HxNJwzcP3VI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=iYkuaAU5MVHC6ZQ8rYSjVVAwEREJM+66bi3oTjBzEEYjyxJck15n6QWE+mpOQvy2GA m7lz84vr/HHzOz0GJuxg4ldYNMmDYxqgTEsWED92OjLd8zvW9nVMIMYvkI/FfmGrKXK8 UQURvkhTHvSYLV2XRjqyJ83AcUv+6XGY8nmoI= Received: by 10.100.75.4 with SMTP id x4mr1742428ana.85.1295748339456; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 18:05:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.30] (cpe-70-113-57-149.austin.res.rr.com [70.113.57.149]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x36sm13863506anx.34.2011.01.22.18.05.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 22 Jan 2011 18:05:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D3B8CF0.9040701@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 20:05:36 -0600 From: Christopher Chaltain User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 02:05:52 -0000 On 1/22/2011 10:38 AM, Marcus Habermehl wrote: > Am 21.01.2011 17:10, schrieb Steve Holmes: >> We've had the comparison issues between screen readers in the past. I >> don't want to see Orca implement something just because Jaws has it, >> nor do I want something to be implemented like jaws just just because some >> people in windows use jaws. I for one, don't do jaws and have no >> intentions of doing so. If it just so happens that a feature is well >> implemented in jaws, then do it; otherwise, if there is a better way, >> I would rather see that instead. > > I agree with you completely. To me it's not about that JAWS has > individual lists. Only I am of the opinion that there is a reason that > two different screen readers have individual lists. This is just how I surf the web, but I don't use the elements lists in JAWS hardly at all anymore, now that I can use quick keys to jump from link to link or heading to heading. One of the reasons I prefer this approach is that I can use the context of the text around links with names like "Click here" to see what they're referring to. I personally wouldn't find this feature very useful, and I don't think this feature is as useful in JFW as it was before they implemented quick key navigation. Like I said, this is just my opinion, and how I surf the web. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Christopher chaltain@gmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From chaltain@gmail.com Sun Jan 23 02:07:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8DD57500A4 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 02:07:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pojgzS5EhY3q for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 02:07:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E0EC75006F for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 02:06:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyf3 with SMTP id 3so958030gyf.27 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 18:06:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ngiuLg7hFQiLoxAh7Ju/WLF0Ms0svckwzDMR6kdqc4g=; b=OAMcGHv3CHFAVz8hVAed0oxmy/871/wk1gRlpWjXV2P7hP5De1Y+a3VzbQihSlB3HQ 2jIEGNocfO6nXQ9neXON1QZb1B6sW966yteYw6UclVvKsD3KfzEUw2C4na3do0BPYYQ2 KGE//r5XHSl/hZKfvVsyjsutJsORhHXDeUMy4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=EghPn05VCoCIB9JiiZcJ+VHbnW3dNtAoAmHTiO2/wLlrDKqNoeYaFlIduuMB0VJtQJ UhagBosskzTP1sDfSKD4OOAKyGe8KWKA4+57+OE/QI+NLo4lFaZP2lomAvNYtbJGI6rK l3pXIy6911JmJFwCS8HwMJpPSY9QF26muum/8= Received: by 10.151.14.21 with SMTP id r21mr2792628ybi.308.1295748417079; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 18:06:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.30] (cpe-70-113-57-149.austin.res.rr.com [70.113.57.149]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r41sm7420386yba.4.2011.01.22.18.06.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 22 Jan 2011 18:06:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D3B8D3E.5010207@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 20:06:54 -0600 From: Christopher Chaltain User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Alternatives for Open Office X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 02:07:10 -0000 On 1/22/2011 4:31 PM, Jason White wrote: > If you are in a career that requires you to edit documents in an office > format, you really do need Openoffice.org or LibreOffice, so I would encourage > you to report all of the accessibility-related issues in those projects that > you discover. I think IBM Lotus Symphony is also an option in these situations, but I agree accessibility issues should be reported with each package. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Christopher chaltain@gmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From steve.holmes88@gmail.com Sun Jan 23 06:34:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35A7E75023A for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 06:34:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.137 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.137 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=1.553, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IFjV4yJcZQP1 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 06:34:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69A9F750198 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 06:34:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so3179581iwn.27 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 22:34:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=aPwhBnDNdTOovO7Z6A5isUqh0ZLd5wg82KJ8aGImb4w=; b=cAMXk3d7BTo+jmBuVEYM0vFgIPrpsqXiZqV177tBrtgKhbae+BPVM/RWbSg8EwF0lv qv/pz2JEXwbNS5yYHG+esq0z7Z1QKCPHdJUr259/0Ey97LeP9YiClV7w6D2/v4YWA8PW cdzuNP0XUkx94nnXuIqpHu4U475OFCNSWiwqM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; b=giEIMDgigZAV9WnzaX0VMwsUHuqbYpvJRxqMIQLdVHM/K9tfqB73qu9Le+W+DjogW+ A7kwGrs1/ezHwnzvw+3L2HcJ7C7BPoXEGWhqwV0NWnzn0HnyrtcG1cJPkzhLhx/KFdtC ncmaMgT7gFIm4mgQ7gNqRJGRq/43lxdBT+BqY= Received: by 10.231.14.134 with SMTP id g6mr3060331iba.65.1295764469628; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 22:34:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from lnx3.holmesgrown.com (ip72-208-185-148.ph.ph.cox.net [72.208.185.148]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d21sm9635563ibg.9.2011.01.22.22.34.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 22 Jan 2011 22:34:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 23:34:25 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110123063425.GA7819@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D3761B2.5070507@yahoo.de> <4D37AA47.80808@gnome.org> <20110120043847.GB12357@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <20110120065137.GA24412@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> <4D398B3F.60105@yahoo.de> <20110121161003.GD633@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> <4D3ABB4B.2010103@aim.com> <4D3B3EDF.9080500@yahoo.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D3B3EDF.9080500@yahoo.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 06:34:51 -0000 On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 09:32:31PM +0100, Marcus Habermehl wrote: > I have to contradict you. Otherwise we would have to put the flat review > to the debate. Just as an example: JAWS has shortcuts for structural > navigation and separate lists. No one I know and used JAWS, uses the > structural navigation. I can't possibly fathom how one could get about on a website with using structural navigation. The list of links is so restrictive. The lists method might work if you're having trouble finding appropriate links or controls but what about the text around the relevant links. that is all missed if you just use links and controls in lists. Anyway, I think the feature should be included but I also think the commands for it should come under a single key to invoke the lists navigation feature. Say if the primary command to invoke this feature was something like Orca+L, then you could press Orca+L followed by e to pop up the list or tree node of edit boxes; press Orca+L followed by b to pop up the node of buttons. This way, you don't lose a bunch of primary keys possibly available for other Orca features in the future. Also, that combination of Orca+Ctrl+key is a bit much on laptops where the caps lock is often used. At least it is to me. From hackingkk@gmail.com Sun Jan 23 07:14:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C34575023A for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 07:14:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BqTo8S-fHEdf for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 07:14:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80ACE750198 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 07:13:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so3193571iwn.27 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 23:13:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=lOXxgQPnK713eoBCJPAlu9cW1ZcGJ1xOrqY44Nk8ruA=; b=i62aDws+6OL8sxSrKfIKYz1+jqlQxdCCf1hTQOPCmGeXPgIOPeBe0pd+0xheTL1VsY WT6nJKg5nxBhpYwu2nt8LWrHHFlF/67Xg96yF77L5j+m/gSfDQnf/LLXqxfpibTF97Mi xwtBHeixDRYtQ6HIgzW6I7eHKrdBoDYSFuAJ4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=d+3ueKogB86muBCnwY787nY/AtREATbEf5FZfDeibPajVJyzyG3Sr+0AJU36hTNjB4 gfD507qIJUhjfhlV646kspOFsl3Ki754LX5+ecu0Cg+uQZ93A3NkPYBWOhZanjIISkgy nTGY10Rurnd6wuD9G6W6mbEJdWFynmmBZglKI= Received: by 10.231.16.200 with SMTP id p8mr3039490iba.181.1295766833796; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 23:13:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (triband-mum-59.183.29.222.mtnl.net.in [59.183.29.222]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gy41sm9666844ibb.17.2011.01.22.23.13.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 22 Jan 2011 23:13:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D3BD528.6000609@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 12:43:44 +0530 From: hackingKK User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christopher Chaltain References: <4D3B8CF0.9040701@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4D3B8CF0.9040701@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 07:14:06 -0000 On 23/01/11 07:35, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > On 1/22/2011 10:38 AM, Marcus Habermehl wrote: > >> Am 21.01.2011 17:10, schrieb Steve Holmes: >>> We've had the comparison issues between screen readers in the past. I >>> don't want to see Orca implement something just because Jaws has it, >>> nor do I want something to be implemented like jaws just just >>> because some >>> people in windows use jaws. I for one, don't do jaws and have no >>> intentions of doing so. If it just so happens that a feature is well >>> implemented in jaws, then do it; otherwise, if there is a better way, >>> I would rather see that instead. >> Chris +1 And I do use a lot of structural navigation on the web. >> I agree with you completely. To me it's not about that JAWS has >> individual lists. Only I am of the opinion that there is a reason that >> two different screen readers have individual lists. > Just a side note, now we have links list in firefox. It is a very > good plugin. I really liked the filter feature and we also have move to link option. But honestly with the quick key ' being able to get me near to a link by typing the first few characters, I hardly use that links list. > This is just how I surf the web, but I don't use the elements lists in > JAWS hardly at all anymore, now that I can use quick keys to jump from > link to link or heading to heading. One of the reasons I prefer this > approach is that I can use the context of the text around links with > names like "Click here" to see what they're referring to. I personally > wouldn't find this feature very useful, and I don't think this feature > is as useful in JFW as it was before they implemented quick key > navigation. Like I said, this is just my opinion, and how I surf the web. again +1 Jumping from heading to heading and that two structurally navigating between different levels of headings is a really great feature and I never felt I was missing some thing. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. From hammera@pickup.hu Sun Jan 23 08:11:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D459B75023B for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 08:11:54 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_FRT_LITTLE=0.01, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id moYHVJp4m5Gf for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 08:11:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 176BA75013A for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 08:11:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id 59AC9E83A3 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 09:50:51 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D3BE2BD.1040208@pickup.hu> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 09:11:41 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; hu; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D3B8CF0.9040701@gmail.com> <4D3BD528.6000609@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4D3BD528.6000609@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 08:11:55 -0000 Hy, Marcus, sorri, I little lost the thread. :-):-) How looks this submenus ydea final? All listed items with executed the Orca+Ctrl+Structural navigation letter keybinding is presented submenu items? For example, if I listing 1nd heading levels, I see all 1nd headings with a submenu? Or if I list all headings (for example Orca+Ctrl+h) I see all headings with a submenu? The all possible structural navigation element single listing possibility not will be resulting lot of reserved shortcuts? Why not better one shortcut and put a context menu with awailable all listing possible object with underlined mnemonic letter, similar with navigation bundle extension navigation menu in Firefox? What UI method more accepting the list persons now? Not matter if need the Orca+Ctrl+structural navigation letter combinations if more list persons would like this. Can you possible attaching an example patch if have final choice the design? Attila From hammera@pickup.hu Sun Jan 23 10:18:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22BEE75008E for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 10:18:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.833 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.833 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, TW_GT=0.077, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Hv5BaI0knKj9 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 10:18:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F8127500B4 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 10:18:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id 79777E806E for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 11:57:08 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D3C0056.3020009@pickup.hu> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 11:17:58 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; hu; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Because Orca supports Webkit-GTK toolkit, future possible using alternative web browsers, for example Epiphany-browser? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 10:18:13 -0000 Hy, Because Orca begin supports Webkit-GTK, future for example possible using alternative web browsers, for example Epiphany-browser? I think this browser is webkit-gtk based, but I am not full sure this. Or this task require longer time, for example supporting structural navigation with webkit-GTK based browsers? Attila From joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Sun Jan 23 16:29:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD96D75031B for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 16:29:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.523 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k9ZiJ2DSnyBS for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 16:29:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89B367502F0 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 16:29:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws9 with SMTP id 9so1503771vws.27 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 08:29:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent :mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Z+eWiLwz5E87p4JXy+V+6kllx4xcPorQ6AbyhoLFGJY=; b=YdnaqAttxf3u7yAsgxotdJ+sYylGLVxPTqjuSxtqErZJuaOm79IdOWjGcNcvfi4UMX Pv7hdDqQ6iUb9iJb30BivEFSwi6NQzFNq/jv3Ava9C6IV8lCNVPkcbHt8zYZhz8uqn/k E62BxsRKnosiocPVdayMfqqkla5waSJLTqjb4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=BMzoPWFZaUFhxnqwfv9oHYFxeCYMdJBArDv1WlbKli8DVEZNPNhhgPsfG7zOKAg1RH 5vzaNUHPDyBec4y5GE3uIcMQ4mCJ09/wFic6pQHgRbUa1Cj21A4idOUfotigJVBctr/y YpJj9JtDm+Ql7W18eMr6ceZbFupUIbxbbQA8U= Received: by 10.220.188.135 with SMTP id da7mr903434vcb.146.1295800184845; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 08:29:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.35.105] (c-98-217-239-60.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [98.217.239.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b26sm7163605vby.13.2011.01.23.08.29.43 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 23 Jan 2011 08:29:43 -0800 (PST) Sender: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <4D3C5776.4030005@gnome.org> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 11:29:42 -0500 From: Joanmarie Diggs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b10pre) Gecko/20110122 Thunderbird/3.3a3pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hammer Attila References: <4D3C0056.3020009@pickup.hu> In-Reply-To: <4D3C0056.3020009@pickup.hu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Because Orca supports Webkit-GTK toolkit, future possible using alternative web browsers, for example Epiphany-browser? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: joanied@gnome.org List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 16:29:58 -0000 Hi Attila. > Because Orca begin supports Webkit-GTK, future for example possible > using alternative web browsers, for example Epiphany-browser? That's been the plan all along. > I think > this browser is webkit-gtk based, but I am not full sure this. No, you are correct. Epiphany switched from Gecko to WebKitGtk a few release cycles ago. > Or this task require longer time, for example supporting structural > navigation with webkit-GTK based browsers? Structural Navigation was already done and working. However, whilst I was working on adding initial support for Yelp 3.0 last weekend, I noticed that Structural Navigation in Epiphany for Natty was no longer working 100% of the time. Investigating what happened there is on my to-do list for today or tomorrow. But that's a long way of saying, essentially, the task will not require much time because I already implemented it. You should also find that caret navigation works and is performant. And this is because we didn't implement it in Orca; it's implemented on the WebKitGtk side of things. Note that to have Home and End, Ctrl+Home and Ctrl+End working, you'll need a fairly-recent WebKitGtk built from source. Natty doesn't seem to have that functionality included yet. Related to this, while there are currently some strange quirks with text selection -- which I need to dig into -- soon you should find that text selection just works (and is properly announced, and is indicated in braille). The label guess functionality (which is about to be called label infer) needs to be pulled out of Gecko and made available to all scripts in Orca. Then form fields in Epiphany should work. The above things are all things on my to-do list -- and things which I am about to do. Dealing with the unresponsiveness issues that resulted from the recent refactor took priority, of course. Anyhoo, some of these changes will come as simple commits to the existing WebKitGtk and/or Epiphany scripts already in Orca; some of them will come as part of Flag Day refactors. I expect to have it all done as part of the Orca 3.0 release. Please note that all of the above applies to basic content in Epiphany; not more complicated documents, nor ARIA/web apps. However, making these things more accessible is something that I'm beginning to work with Mario Sanchez (WebKitGtk a11y developer) on. Before too much longer -- but not quite yet -- I will hopefully be able to say, "Please start testing Epiphany with Orca in Natty." So stay tuned for that announcement! Take care. --joanie From webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl Sun Jan 23 17:13:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75BD975031E for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 17:13:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.833 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.833 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RFC_ABUSE_POST=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E9Xdk3O1D2Qk for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 17:13:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpo13.poczta.onet.pl (smtpo13.poczta.onet.pl [213.180.142.144]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72EA875031B for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 17:13:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cujo (unknown [193.200.46.16]) (Authenticated sender: webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl) by smtp.poczta.onet.pl (Onet) with ESMTPA id 88B5B20076954 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 18:13:23 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 18:13:23 +0100 From: Michal Zegan To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110123171323.GA27884@cujo> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+QahgC5+KEYLbs62" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: [orca-list] gecko browsers X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 17:13:37 -0000 --+QahgC5+KEYLbs62 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hey, you sait that epiphany was moved from gecko to webkit-gtk few releases ago. So why I was never able to use epiphany, even in gnome 2.24/2.26? --+QahgC5+KEYLbs62 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAABAgAGBQJNPGGzAAoJEIm05B02l8E6cO8P/j/iLYvsnzY+v+thQIHBr4RI kGm/33jSHnDoatTCaVa0Tvg4HdOg6zstrx6A7H4iPjk89sbKrKRQDIc4flIfV661 6KSjj2tQo0oHfMEjFv+QyKKJr76NfcJ2wmthD0NfSb6WirV0Lz3yEpFdbl1MhPvp MoXkoQ9BhrDH7d9hKRpZrHUl1VcBRNtbY9vC0Ak8j0ixGEopGP7OvNLrzA/Y/cgu aQRC7SlpxDcP4TdMskqXSlY0sw1/5VbilEpNlUJxxvkH3iydLYT7LQFbJ4xhuiGT VRBBLQcnE4GxWS/RpFubukHEU8caDI0Wd/C/kKiLbhL0o+mFxNcj2TF22dDtqVpQ fyUU2T5/mUtEHnvvrQfM4P7GNkrO06yS+p92nWjwnP8xz4QoN1GVuABP771qaxfn 1/xx7MdXu7mU58gINjxXvbXi9J4XTBZGhiSA1yr1Xo/AAm2kqfu5UK0u0tz/o5yZ hwt643RRMnFtqhow9iWz/jhT1SBuv1nmZOjkyxZVBMGcwIQ9fSVWKVEBCcFFetYg qHvten0h49Ze807xAe3U6RG/1BsWx3KInHB6Bvv5QLIV4qwemfOID6KJnmoNqEYa 9XVf743uWnZgSGqxOYrr9pddt+D2JK9S2FgBw3wP97FcuuSAhmk1FfEvXuyh8K15 uH6nXDClFJeTOBGDpUIJ =uuzL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+QahgC5+KEYLbs62-- From joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Sun Jan 23 17:16:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F33975031E for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 17:16:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.513 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.513 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kpfRiEj31c9t for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 17:16:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67C6775031B for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 17:15:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwj9 with SMTP id 9so3283530qwj.27 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 09:15:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=XYqppWqAuIIGTj8Q3VewiSaP3FR6P1wpxcA9SpiuIUo=; b=lrbGQ3DcHqvZjORN/C+LTRmo5aEs7wrN8zH6XZ8o/Q6dYbmf6NVd4DVm77tbNcAxx5 TXav04j7t84Hnl28+7ugryIjcgD2gngK5huSKr5yOOIkmk7GEpac/QNZD/5tlfiNVGKx DpcROqTaoau5W148jzXF5/Fft/T97NhTbUgrA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=NspZ3PnmOKIK/SuI3JWsZ95xzTFIJmQ5JLqw09Xt5CjQo7X18vQ37SMWPOuwokvaN8 oGY6QVrkwW94MPu+HqUnUD8K+tBv4HGvzb72JtgjiiSOJdr5vIx4u3c7+H0lg2OCtkmz HfYEYxa4FYeQh8f0Mp7myWfHzG9XzQDF4DLOo= Received: by 10.229.189.66 with SMTP id dd2mr2908248qcb.168.1295802956358; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 09:15:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.35.105] (c-98-217-239-60.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [98.217.239.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t7sm8493604qcs.4.2011.01.23.09.15.55 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 23 Jan 2011 09:15:55 -0800 (PST) Sender: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <4D3C624B.5000706@gnome.org> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 12:15:55 -0500 From: Joanmarie Diggs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b10pre) Gecko/20110122 Thunderbird/3.3a3pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110123171323.GA27884@cujo> In-Reply-To: <20110123171323.GA27884@cujo> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] gecko browsers X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: joanied@gnome.org List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 17:16:10 -0000 On 01/23/2011 12:13 PM, Michal Zegan wrote: > Hey, you sait that epiphany was moved from gecko to webkit-gtk few releases ago. > So why I was never able to use epiphany, even in gnome 2.24/2.26? We didn't have an epiphany script. --joanie From webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl Sun Jan 23 17:24:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C7AA750323 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 17:24:50 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.833 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.833 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RFC_ABUSE_POST=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1lONB83ldo2Y for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 17:24:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpo01.poczta.onet.pl (smtpo01.poczta.onet.pl [213.180.142.132]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B48A75030B for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 17:24:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cujo (unknown [193.200.46.16]) (Authenticated sender: webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl) by smtp.poczta.onet.pl (Onet) with ESMTPA id DFE4B2007AD9C for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 18:24:34 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 18:24:34 +0100 From: Michal Zegan To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110123172434.GA27925@cujo> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110123171323.GA27884@cujo> <4D3C624B.5000706@gnome.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="YiEDa0DAkWCtVeE4" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D3C624B.5000706@gnome.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] gecko browsers X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 17:24:50 -0000 --YiEDa0DAkWCtVeE4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Amhm, do you need many scripts for webkit, like single script for applicati= on, or only one for the whole webkit? On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 12:15:55PM -0500, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >=20 > On 01/23/2011 12:13 PM, Michal Zegan wrote: > > Hey, you sait that epiphany was moved from gecko to webkit-gtk few rele= ases ago. > > So why I was never able to use epiphany, even in gnome 2.24/2.26? >=20 > We didn't have an epiphany script. >=20 > --joanie > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightl= y/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQu= estions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp --YiEDa0DAkWCtVeE4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAABAgAGBQJNPGRSAAoJEIm05B02l8E6Mm8P/jRKiItwOcxhghK/iF6D4Zc8 QVrjgKSAUxOR0e35PYIwZcRWMCYv7K1E/5pGC2M0Xxaure+3fgk9VjxeAiPdKLlk qOqBrBiI19S1PAUwbNU48juK+9MQ2JTPLVofUOsbScz6efjUpwgwLbXbVTpUDPfN N/Dc8GFAiDrEHZgsskZ4+/filfO+YIlmaWA36acL3BlYFgEac/i5RFy/TiBkCQfO XlB+eUi9cCrxtAlU0O3vWMb7KGjkCds+VoDdXxB0lUGdeh+aoE0FIKOcQpMQOpr3 Jql2e4WU4jDEUG7Lz+Xb8myTJW9go3uUlmy76Et3c/fkfh/HHk4nMbL07OfjwNec qrBbBnBefYXpWSRkb0zL07nfYec+VGL++MNOqEZIU8h2MyhfpD9Xva/AzxCJYZae bEQeYTtbsULXXMMzZfZyL6SxbQrwD4e/mDZ7Rcrl9Icx/uc1/fUThYB+1WH+wDYI U2yGEFDVvL3wXQf/gVVgTJEacYWBJQAo0NMwmh8zY69pyRLc1nZUst3qF7kLrR1u JdIJWPAir5yrq+JxCFY9Z2IniV2LqrT+tlyi8yiLpR6U6R/p2R3vxiN5BiHHLjy4 yf69vjX8cWZM7Iw3wjA4EcHuJpbpYn6BycHp9EK4nBFKbJaMZ+P8agYYejcu5rB7 hppyWSEbq9AQTe+q7Q95 =vXq1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --YiEDa0DAkWCtVeE4-- From joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Sun Jan 23 17:34:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BF05750325 for ; 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Linux i686; rv:2.0b10pre) Gecko/20110122 Thunderbird/3.3a3pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110123171323.GA27884@cujo> <4D3C624B.5000706@gnome.org> <20110123172434.GA27925@cujo> In-Reply-To: <20110123172434.GA27925@cujo> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] gecko browsers X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: joanied@gnome.org List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 17:34:42 -0000 On 01/23/2011 12:24 PM, Michal Zegan wrote: > Amhm, do you need many scripts for webkit, like single script for application, or only one for the whole webkit? We have one for WebKitGtk to deal with all things WebKitGtk regardless of application being used. On top of that we add application scripts as needed. For instance, structural navigation makes sense in Epiphany and Yelp, but not in, say, Ubuntu's software store (or whatever they call it) or Gwibber. Therefore, we able that functionality just for Epiphany and Yelp through (short, simple) application scripts. --joanie From bmh1980de@yahoo.de Sun Jan 23 20:30:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF626750334 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 20:30:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.989 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.989 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=unavailable Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id my5UGSDBlhLG for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 20:30:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm24-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm24-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4400F750338 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 20:30:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.138.90.49] by nm24.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2011 20:30:31 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.43] by tm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2011 20:30:31 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp111.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2011 20:30:31 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.de; s=s1024; t=1295814631; bh=8GRklaBOc86uw7ug9xEnoIgUR47cjX48DrNP9/VoaeQ=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pGEmkF/m4HueW6RsjlmRlX56wc++84U/2HcR8YEF0AMl4BCfRFIMzQ7hf06COm+w9ViG2q2AEjYwido4Lqu/ydY6ogI8D9DYQe+eZmka7iMY/eaVr8WPKd9Xwn0heiMV19tgl1WCWGPtoZ1MX6bGtOjb6SCmx6fXI25HAWK9YmE= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 569280.1638.bm@smtp111.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: from [192.168.1.50] (bmh1980de@85.180.185.50 with plain) by smtp111.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2011 12:30:31 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cp5ucI2swBDgt7JRmWe4v_wy5rFT5Q-- X-YMail-OSG: 9xgySWoVM1kxMcVRwFbmAqT9aEympTgtgMQSIUEfU_Gq78l MdHMX.3KBR8eOOJPbOWGKxLTiTWDi9is9lb8vCjVfFsiD3lXb5OUB_H99pvH 6MCtHtVszMs0Knj5nyjzV0a1UTnWdEybpVKlf6VZ0WziVwGla8GJa1Ib.WMP 91rsJJy09qta.SV9zvTIA6gKf1Uybt2cBCg5Hz3owLpeE9O0kEd_8NpGi1VU z.8ByHHSJUsNrStkq_5BZqs..IG_s18YbZiwm7g-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4D3C882A.4050405@yahoo.de> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 20:57:30 +0100 From: Marcus Habermehl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: joanied@gnome.org References: <4D3761B2.5070507@yahoo.de> <4D37AA47.80808@gnome.org> <20110120043847.GB12357@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <20110120065137.GA24412@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> <4D398B3F.60105@yahoo.de> <4D399C31.9000900@pickup.hu> <4D3AEB30.6090500@yahoo.de> <4D3B7127.7090707@gnome.org> <4D3B7785.9030605@yahoo.de> <4D3B8402.4010207@gnome.org> In-Reply-To: <4D3B8402.4010207@gnome.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 20:30:45 -0000 Am 23.01.2011 02:27, schrieb Joanmarie Diggs: > Hey Marcus. > >> The new pop-up menu is using the criteria/predicate (for searching) and >> present (for presenting) properties of the corresponding >> StructuralNavigationObject instance. > > Awesome. It sounds like you are (already were) heading in the same > direction I was envisioning. Nice! joanie, I have a question about criteria/predicate. Is it acceptable if I'm using predicate only? Since not all applications providing collections I could use pyatspi.findAllDescendants(document, predicate) to get matches. This would save code, too. I can't prove it, but I have a feeling that it also works a little faster. >> This safes many lines of code. The current changes will result into a >> patch with ~ 850 lines. My last patch on the other hand has more than >> 1500 lines. > > Also nice. Since I'm using the guessTheLabel method there are many more lines saved. :-) >> This could be done if you add two lines like above to the corresponding >> method (_spellingErrorsBindings or so). As I said the search and >> presentation is done by the *Criteria/*Predicate and *Presentation >> methods. > > Two lines ain't bad. :-) Yes, excepting for those, where you have to create extra methods. As example for the heading levels. But I think mostly this will not be necessary. >> joanie, I have tested the guessTheLabel method some days ago to save >> more code. But this method has returned mostly empty labels. And >> currently it seems to me that this method is only executed on form >> fields. Could this be true? > > Not just could; definitely is. What label guessing* does is just that: > guess** the label for unlabeled form fields. Ignoring Orca for a > moment... A label is not the same as a name; it's a separate object > (GtkLabel, , etc.) that... labels... another object. > And that typically only occurs in form fields (and dialog boxes): > specifically in widgets which expect data to be provided or altered. > > Getting back to Orca.... If a widget is properly labelled, then then > that widget should obtain its (accessible) name via the label > automagically. Thus there is no reason for us to guess a label because > we have a name we can trust. If the thing isn't a widget, but is instead > some sort of text object, then it doesn't make sense to guess as we're > interested in the displayed text. Sure, I was confused. :-) Since all informations from an object will be part of a label in my lists, for me was it all a label. One hour after sending this question I've readed the comments and understood. Greetings Marcus From bmh1980de@yahoo.de Sun Jan 23 20:30:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E18D575039B for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 20:30:47 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.912 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.912 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, TW_UC=0.077, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dTwnR0f4uD+v for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 20:30:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.73]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BEE0C750366 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 20:30:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.138.90.54] by nm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2011 20:30:33 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.33] by tm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2011 20:30:33 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2011 20:30:33 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.de; s=s1024; t=1295814633; bh=SJc0qKNAAqD1Om40ulFTk3XY7AKW6Z5g1TTVjanc19k=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IwuFQgvOP3RT2+dsg09WbBtEEDOtrSzd75cfeBWzT31wQAbzxT5SckEGt0ZgMCWr7bHOxpuyKJWSiYofan2Vt2siP3lsfOIm9KWfAGEkiljqp9ywJ5xhL+c7tYu2b49SO4Xxcghdd+IATDO9ZIZw61DuAOtFwHXSzEDKLaK6gS4= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 913141.39268.bm@smtp101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: from [192.168.1.50] (bmh1980de@85.180.185.50 with plain) by smtp101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2011 12:30:33 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cp5ucI2swBDgt7JRmWe4v_wy5rFT5Q-- X-YMail-OSG: zZBLDuYVM1nk_6_5WpOl9Hj2yO.cAmBrHwuXu3xQRhsUbKL We9gCmkb.d6VvG3G2WBQvRPpgHvktrAaKyAS6LMQKn4wWN9h5Id_bzxPKy8B i_qUyKa3H69BOveaRA.OqdRIaO5EMDKuKfxgwZLkQM_fQaFePftT6Nw5pzzG aKlLVuJvyqGzaUroOJu_iX9uvvI9Gn_3NwddHYvZT7GSVeDCAbL89LcaESFI Xl3BRYmlZJhZSlPdxeENbLSAoDpigTm.yZb8Z X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4D3C8C66.7000806@yahoo.de> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 21:15:34 +0100 From: Marcus Habermehl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D3761B2.5070507@yahoo.de> <4D37AA47.80808@gnome.org> <20110120043847.GB12357@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <20110120065137.GA24412@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> <4D398B3F.60105@yahoo.de> <20110121161003.GD633@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> <4D3ABB4B.2010103@aim.com> <4D3B3EDF.9080500@yahoo.de> <20110123063425.GA7819@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> In-Reply-To: <20110123063425.GA7819@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 20:30:48 -0000 Am 23.01.2011 07:34, schrieb Steve Holmes: > On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 09:32:31PM +0100, Marcus Habermehl wrote: >> I have to contradict you. Otherwise we would have to put the flat review >> to the debate. Just as an example: JAWS has shortcuts for structural >> navigation and separate lists. No one I know and used JAWS, uses the >> structural navigation. > > I can't possibly fathom how one could get about on a website with > using structural navigation. The list of links is so restrictive. > The lists method might work if you're having trouble finding > appropriate links or controls but what about the text around the > relevant links. that is all missed if you just use links and controls > in lists. Anyway, I think the feature should be included but I also > think the commands for it should come under a single key to invoke the > lists navigation feature. Say if the primary command to invoke this > feature was something like Orca+L, then you could press Orca+L > followed by e to pop up the list or tree node of edit boxes; press > Orca+L followed by b to pop up the node of buttons. This way, you > don't lose a bunch of primary keys possibly available for other Orca > features in the future. Also, that combination of Orca+Ctrl+key is a > bit much on laptops where the caps lock is often used. At least it is > to me. I have to honestly say, I just can not understand the argument about the number of shortcuts. There are ~ 26 letters, 10 numbers, 12 function keys and modifier keys and symbol keys. So many features cann't be provided for doucments that the shortcuts are scarce. And you have to remember the shortcuts only when you use it. As for the shortcut itself, I am open to suggestions. joanie, could Orca handle such "two-step shortcuts"? Greetings Marcus From bmh1980de@yahoo.de Sun Jan 23 20:30:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 680BD7503A2 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 20:30:50 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.989 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.989 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id do+x0UGWsuMQ for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 20:30:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm20.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm20.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.83]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6C5A6750338 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 20:30:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.138.90.50] by nm20.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2011 20:30:36 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.37] by tm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2011 20:30:36 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp105.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2011 20:30:36 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.de; s=s1024; t=1295814636; bh=bp5KfByQsOd80dOdmW1GJQiQdujib/7xESxiyMylVIE=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QHWH1U27FObLgbEhL9QqKS+pE2Pj5Kq6ZVIkPcA4+rgLvm4YChvvMqGAJDx4seDtwBsFiPdgSPFu6TwuLtFChlDvq2GH7cdnY8HIXRYPAm9FAc+Bihz7zSDWvh0JnJCrTqv3q3+ApxuHFXhhezJgAZyJowYV3iK49NIDmw5nkTY= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 546781.64731.bm@smtp105.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: from [192.168.1.50] (bmh1980de@85.180.185.50 with plain) by smtp105.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2011 12:30:36 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cp5ucI2swBDgt7JRmWe4v_wy5rFT5Q-- X-YMail-OSG: CM4eNtoVM1lC9dCi80RyDr66IitGFl0FUH2D8KbRrsbJcaQ r1ie4dCe5jjkW7b2FcPG7.ncn8hT8w.yuO.tTvk4rOhKJrq.tTwQZv1hGDKz quvDJ4OC5ls1hVPl546qAHIMMXj4oau96h.yhql_ai_fSKaWxQ2rjUL1DQN0 nfbZzG0bwMft57okSacgzj9mLxtJxJWi2yIMrXccogzENGqGoQ5ufHTQMP6G XCkXFfW0NUwLMeIbAb7ptFKhxV.oFR5_bA2ltIQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4D3C8FDB.9090101@yahoo.de> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 21:30:19 +0100 From: Marcus Habermehl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D3B8CF0.9040701@gmail.com> <4D3BD528.6000609@gmail.com> <4D3BE2BD.1040208@pickup.hu> In-Reply-To: <4D3BE2BD.1040208@pickup.hu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 20:30:50 -0000 Am 23.01.2011 09:11, schrieb Hammer Attila: > How looks this submenus ydea final? All listed items with executed the > Orca+Ctrl+Structural navigation letter keybinding is presented submenu > items? For example, if I listing 1nd heading levels, I see all 1nd > headings with a submenu? Or if I list all headings (for example > Orca+Ctrl+h) I see all headings with a submenu? So to speak. It is not a submenu, but a separate menu. > The all possible structural navigation element single listing > possibility not will be resulting lot of reserved shortcuts? At the moment there are 24 additional shortcuts. Another shortcut would still add for the overall list. > Why not better one shortcut and put a context menu with awailable all > listing possible object with underlined mnemonic letter, similar with > navigation bundle extension navigation menu in Firefox? I don't know this extension, because it does no longer work with FF3. We must also not forget that a full listing go to the expense of speed. > Can you possible attaching an example patch if have final choice the > design? Not today. There is a little problem with 'headings at level'. If I get this fixed, I will upload a patch to your bug report tomorrow. Greetings Marcus From joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Mon Jan 24 04:18:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0185B750419 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 04:18:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WHEMu4++WrPk for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 04:18:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BFF0750409 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 04:18:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws9 with SMTP id 9so1678331vws.27 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 20:18:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=jyrRrtCHDNbMmsgR+gfAQGMClj8aeQeoz6j2bCJWS28=; b=exeJq+Rz3g0PXEa2KP5FImNH6ezTAHQ7MQTLInTU0Q6NsloCc00Hd7ohMvIxCrOnH4 Kh1YXtCDkGhj6Q5PqQvN9j7I7BgFw3WdfBiZRLzEP+Li4fpD+/YsPzdRl+/4neZqoro0 1sXgWE4DkxaSg0duQ8mN1rNC+FFw0JNJr2eho= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=dO3f/muyf3S62Y8bfwdq+lzt+Ync8OsKeJ+zj1efPkwVXxb1HeVEqjq8NI0vadDzxn 1srr+eJPysGsZdBXZK51anGAzsdxy57YsobPc9YfzrLc6xYMvB9bxLTtgpBSaOuHFFEf yOsNcDTqmaE8Da2dD7r+kbiEbClNjovJTbq7I= Received: by 10.220.94.83 with SMTP id y19mr1092309vcm.263.1295842703141; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 20:18:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.35.105] (c-98-217-239-60.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [98.217.239.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r7sm7564537vbx.19.2011.01.23.20.18.20 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 23 Jan 2011 20:18:22 -0800 (PST) Sender: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <4D3CFD8D.1070904@gnome.org> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 23:18:21 -0500 From: Joanmarie Diggs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b10pre) Gecko/20110123 Thunderbird/3.3a3pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Orca-list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Possible (work-in-progress) solution for OOo crashing constantly X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: joanied@gnome.org List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 04:18:37 -0000 Hey guys. Whilst trying to solve the problem where Orca becomes unresponsive after OOo crashes, I stumbled upon a possible solution that seems to make OOo far less likely to crash in the first place: Processing events synchronously for OOo rather than queueing them up. In testing this option I was not able to crash OOo while running Orca. Not even OOo 3.2 (aka the version that crashes more frequently than it runs), There is a slight price for the stability -- currently. That price is if we get a bunch of events all of a sudden from OOo, there is going to be a slight pause. A good example of that is when you go from a bulleted list to non-bulleted text. The appearance/disappearance of all those list-related toolbar items now takes us a second to work our way through. *However* if my patch does indeed stop all the crashing, we can then look for ways to discard events that we know we don't care about (like all those changing toolbar items). Beyond the above, I do not yet know if there are side effects which will result from this change. Thus I will leave this up to you: The patch can be found here: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=640372 Please let me know what you find and what you think, and we will go from there. Thanks guys! --joanie From hammera@pickup.hu Mon Jan 24 04:43:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8805475043A for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 04:43:01 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sFbMBwLx8Ozp for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 04:42:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27D6C750409 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 04:42:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id 27A29E8246 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 06:21:55 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D3D0347.1030804@pickup.hu> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 05:42:47 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; hu; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D3B8CF0.9040701@gmail.com> <4D3BD528.6000609@gmail.com> <4D3BE2BD.1040208@pickup.hu> <4D3C8FDB.9090101@yahoo.de> In-Reply-To: <4D3C8FDB.9090101@yahoo.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 04:43:01 -0000 Hy, Marcus, in FF3 the Navigation Bundle extension put a submenu in Firefox tools menu with containing following menu items the navigation submenu, but this extension only supporting two list: Headings list Links list For example because need listing lot of possible objects (I think all structural navigation supported objects requested some users) and now we don't known yet Orca supporting two letters shortcuts, following similar context menu is possible good with based now your feature listing shortcuts order: "List all objects Clickable objects list Form fields list Frames list Headings list Links list" Future only have problem if need listing for example with only check boxes, radio buttons, or only 2nd headings with don't fit my menu map ydea. This situation if the user need only checkboxes list, enough to press future for example Orca+Ctrl+X or any final keystroke. Or, perhaps better ydea with form fields filtering: For example not good if final putting a radio button group in form fields list dialog with possible control filtering (after all form fields list is generated this is I think possible), for example: "Control type filtering (this is the radio button group name All form fields Only buttons Only check boxes only combo boxes only edit boxes Only radio buttons" Etc. Attila From hammera@pickup.hu Mon Jan 24 06:52:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B18AD75041C for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 06:52:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p5InPEs6T7yi for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 06:52:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DD95750145 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 06:52:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id 5209EE82D4 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 08:31:32 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D3D21A9.3040508@pickup.hu> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 07:52:25 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; hu; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] An issue with Thunderbird message search X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 06:52:39 -0000 Hy, When I using Thunderbird 3.1.7 version, I see following issue with message searching (Ctrl+Shift+f keystroke): When I filled the search text, and I try navigating the founded results, some time I not hear the next or prewious founded result, but the search folder is changing. Perhaps happening this because the caret jump an another control, I am not full sure this what happening visual. Very interesting, the navigation is moved right the next or prewious founded result, but I hear the new founded result if I press more Shift+Tab key. Reproducation steps to verify This: 1. Go any mailbox folder with containing easy searchable messages, for example orca-list messages. 2. Press Ctrl+Shift+F key, and the text box write orca text. 3. Press enter key. 4. Try navigate the result list. You see any problem? I will be test this problem with Thunderbird 3.3.1 development version and tell the result. Attila From hammera@pickup.hu Mon Jan 24 07:06:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BF5775041C for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 07:06:29 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NUlD2Fabbuts for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 07:06:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A6BF750145 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 07:06:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id 4AEEFE865C for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 08:45:24 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D3D24E9.1030706@pickup.hu> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 08:06:17 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; hu; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D3D21A9.3040508@pickup.hu> In-Reply-To: <4D3D21A9.3040508@pickup.hu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] An issue with Thunderbird message search X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 07:06:29 -0000 Hy, Thunderbird 3.3A3pre not producing this problem. Possible doing anything this problem with Orca level with 3.1.7 related? Attila From mwhapples@aim.com Mon Jan 24 08:38:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73B0B750492 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 08:38:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ceVxJDh9mCpu for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 08:38:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imr-db02.mx.aol.com (imr-db02.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.96]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3429575048D for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 08:38:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mtaout-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.132]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p0O8cDMH026357; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 03:38:13 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (mwhapples.plus.com [80.229.137.216]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 92365E0000BA; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 03:38:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4D3D3909.7010300@aim.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 08:32:09 +0000 From: Michael Whapples User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b10pre) Gecko/20110123 Thunderbird/3.3a2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marcus Habermehl References: <4D3761B2.5070507@yahoo.de> <4D37AA47.80808@gnome.org> <20110120043847.GB12357@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <20110120065137.GA24412@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> <4D398B3F.60105@yahoo.de> <20110121161003.GD633@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> <4D3ABB4B.2010103@aim.com> <4D3B3EDF.9080500@yahoo.de> In-Reply-To: <4D3B3EDF.9080500@yahoo.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:456086624:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33844d3d3a745c8e X-AOL-IP: 80.229.137.216 Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 08:38:32 -0000 On -10/01/37 20:59, Marcus Habermehl wrote: > Am 22.01.2011 12:11, schrieb Michael Whapples: >> Hello, >> I very much agree with Steve. We certainly should not use many key >> presses up for a feature which may or may not be used by some people (I >> can say for myself I don't make use of such a feature, even when its >> available to me when using Mac and voiceover, I generally prefer jump to >> next element of given type or do a search). > I have to contradict you. Otherwise we would have to put the flat review > to the debate. Why are you contradicting me, if anything proving what I mean. In the case of flat review, in the ideal world I think there would be little value to it. However we don't live in the ideal world, sometimes applications are poorly behaved and flat review is the only option. As an example I had a plugin for thunderbird which added an icon to the toolbar but provided no other way of activating the feature other than to click it, therefore flat review was needed to be able to activate the functionality of the plugin. Another example of the need for flat review is to reread the output in a gnome-terminal window. So there are some examples where flat review are needed, lists of links, headings, etc, aren't needed, one can get at those elements in other ways as I have already described. > Just as an example: JAWS has shortcuts for structural > navigation and separate lists. No one I know and used JAWS, uses the > structural navigation. That is jaws in a windows environment, we are on about orca in a gnome environment, lets keep to what makes sense for orca. My point here is, if an idea is good for orca it will stand up regardless of what other screen readers do. >> Now how might it be done, the treeview is one option, another being the >> submenu idea. Now how might these compare for usage? Thinking about it, >> the menu/submenu idea is nice as one could press the key to bring up the >> menu listing the various types of element (including "All elements") and >> then the user could easily jump to the appropriate one using the >> shortcut letter. Its the next bit which may not work so well if using >> submenus, I don't think GTK menus allow one to type so much of the menu >> item they want to go to (like you can on the Mac), so meaning the user >> would have to scroll through the menu to find what they want in the >> submenu. > I'm not sure what do you mean. Do you mean something like this: You are > searching for a link 'Login' and type 'log', or do you mean typing 'l' > as often as you are at 'Login'? I mean typing "log" or may be even "lo" if that is enough to get to it. The repetition of first letter seems so clunky at times to me, eg. helping my father with his windows computer, trying to get to "Mozilla firefox" in the programmes menu took so long as there was microsoft this, microsoft that, etc, and so took at least half a dozen presses of m where as "mo" would have gone straight to it. > The last one is provided by gtk+. The first one I think not. > >> Now to the tree view idea, I think this does allow filtering by typing, > Yes it does. But currently the search results aren't spoken. See > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=632058. So the first letter > search, provided by menus are at the moment more comfortable to the user. > >> but I am not sure if there is a nice key stroke in gnome/GTK to go back >> to parent node of the tree (say I had gone into links and was quite a >> way down the links, I don't think there is a key stroke I could use to >> go back to the links node which is expanded, may be because I realised I >> found it wasn't a link I need but a button). >> >> If I am wrong about the jumping back to parent nodes in a tree view then >> I think the tree view may be better, otherwise I get the feeling the >> menu idea is better (IE. if I know the text of what I am looking for >> then I could do a standard search for it). > I've searched in the sources of gtk+ and found in gtktreeview.c this: > > gtk_binding_entry_add_signal (binding_set, GDK_BackSpace, 0, > "select-cursor-parent", 0); > > And it works. Backspace brings me back to the parent tree node. I think > this is what you mean. Seems like backspace does what I mean, its I didn't know of that, possibly its less discoverable than the technique of left/right to expand and collapse nodes and left takes you to the parent. From hammera@pickup.hu Mon Jan 24 13:18:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35DCD75022B for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 13:18:49 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0GCaZhl4xLsM for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 13:18:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 554387501F7 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 13:18:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id F1D1AE8720 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 14:57:40 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D3D7C2A.5000109@pickup.hu> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 14:18:34 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; hu; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] A Thunderbird 3.1.7 message composing related problem X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 13:18:49 -0000 Hy, I see an interesting think, with I don't no why happening in Thunderbird 3.1.7, this is a bug with Orca or a bug with Thunderbird? When I composing a message and I attaching a file with new message, I right possible jumping attachment list with Shift+Tab key. But, for example if I jumping Shift+Tab key with the subject field and press Tab key to jump the attachment list again, the caret moved with the message body, not the attachment list. Why happening this? Attila From hammera@pickup.hu Mon Jan 24 13:22:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9026D7503A0 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 13:22:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4ZcKheCuGrRv for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 13:22:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F16767501F7 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 13:22:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id 251BBE8628 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 15:01:12 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D3D7CFD.8000203@pickup.hu> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 14:22:05 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b10pre) Gecko/20110123 Thunderbird/3.3a3pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D3D7C2A.5000109@pickup.hu> In-Reply-To: <4D3D7C2A.5000109@pickup.hu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] A Thunderbird 3.1.7 message composing related problem X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 13:22:17 -0000 Hy, This problem is happening not only Thunderbird 3.1.7, reproducable with Thunderbird 3.3a3Pre too. Attila From trev.saunders@gmail.com Tue Jan 25 08:31:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9740B7505CB for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 08:31:22 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.623 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.623 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_NV=0.077] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oGzODbOFHOau for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 08:31:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qy0-f175.google.com (mail-qy0-f175.google.com [209.85.216.175]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63447750513 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 08:31:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk8 with SMTP id 8so3742281qyk.6 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 00:31:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:subject:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:user-agent; bh=dnAh6haQHR4ZzLFDI/yoNqplt7lCgxZd92i8YvH5UwI=; b=ahaG0HofV2A1t4HLVXRpriqZn7rW3RZY1Ch1GuhYm4XF2IfZf8upFZcHKfpmw1jR51 dcf9KA/kXh/5R0aMnbLKH4eRh6Fi4tiaTWHJSvspjrWWJEszq1YAXirxKCl0mjVy+TqG sqxIpw8RoyPpxeCkAUARiqWMiUOQAWcHD3RQg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:user-agent; b=tZesMHICE8YlqT7Q2tsKE8qFkxXDWKl64WvfmYy7/PN4IcdhMuo5+wtPD1llVczBiH ITBkEutoR0llwAxY3QXqTV8tNnTfP+3DIVWkAhvqxpCaRnog+iRquRjUx/U9ZUV5LQSZ WeahHLdxBfSEaCf9EVbNwl06KNfxkn4zWyIEA= Received: by 10.224.45.140 with SMTP id e12mr5034580qaf.290.1295944268883; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 00:31:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from football.tbsaunde.org (TREVTOP2W.WV.CC.CMU.EDU [128.237.249.61]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l12sm10080006qcu.31.2011.01.25.00.31.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 25 Jan 2011 00:31:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 03:29:48 -0500 From: Trevor Saunders To: orca Message-ID: <20110125082948.GA15634@football.tbsaunde.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+QahgC5+KEYLbs62" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: [orca-list] (RFC) speaking position in XUL menus X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 08:31:22 -0000 --+QahgC5+KEYLbs62 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hey, So while working on https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=634642 I've run in to n issue with the way we present the position in a menu. Originally We would look at all the children of the items parent and try to gues what the correct position was. We have to gues, because the menu contains spacer objects that people don't really want counted. The problem with this that we often get it wrong in the bug Attila provided the example of the message list in thunderbird, I noticed the edit menu in firefox. When I started using attributes (posinset and setsize) mozilla gives us to fix the mentioned bug we started using the attributes to figure out where we are in a menu too. That would be fine accept Mozilla menus seem to have a concept of groups of options (I'm not sure of the technical term that applies) for example in the file menu print and print preview are a group, and the options related to opening pages tabs and closing pages and tabs are another group. The attributes we ue to get our position in the list are based on the "item groups" so for the first six items in the file menu you see position x of 6 then if you keep going down to the next group you see y of 3 etc. I'm not sure if there is a reason these attributes work this way or not, or if they could be changed to reflect the number of selecttable items in the menu which I believe is the number people want here. https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Accessibility/AT-APIs/Gecko/Attrs#Group_Attributes makes it seem like these attributes are doing what they should, but the definition of a "group" isn't very clear, so perhaps the menu could be considered the "group". I'll probably see what Mozilla people think about this, but in the mean time this is the way the world will almost certianly be through firefox 4 and xulrunner 2.0. The following is a discussion I had with Jamie one of the nvda developers about what they do with this situation. < tbsaunde> fer: now we have the problem in orca that people want the total number of things in the menu not just that part < Jamie> tbsaunde: that is a huge can of worms < Jamie> tbsaunde: technically, that should include separators, but people never want those < Jamie> we've had this argument with NVDA users before :) <@fer> Jamie: I only tested it closed < tbsaunde> Jamie: yup, I know, orca used to get the parent, then look through all the children, but that's very slow for say a thunderbird message box, so we want to use the attributes, but the easiest way to do that results in using them for menus too < tbsaunde> Jamie: what did nvda do? < Jamie> fer: ok, but when it's closed, there are two objects in question: the select itself and the options < Jamie> fer: I assume you're asking me about the options <@fer> Jamie: yes < Jamie> tbsaunde: we use the position info from the API, which in your case is the attributes < Jamie> tbsaunde: we used to use the child count provided by MSAA< but that included separators which irritated users < tbsaunde> Jamie: ok, what is it in windows, I'm curious and don't know anything about how things work there < Jamie> so we ended up just taking it out and not including item counts at all unless the API provided accurate counts < Jamie> then, of course, people whinged, so we put in an option to "Guess object position information when unavailable" < Jamie> disabled by default So, I can see a couple reasonable solutions to this. - we can go back to the old guesing algorithm for menus, which isn't hard, but its often broken. - we can present the information that the posinset and setsize attributes give us, and you will have the position in a group, but not exactly the menu. - we can just stop trying to speak position in menus, or add more options to explicitly trun it on to either of the methods mentioned before. I'm not very clear on what benefits this would have over the solutions mentioned before, but its not really clear why you would want to know the position in a menu either. - we could do something else, that I haven't thought of if someone has a different idea. Trev --+QahgC5+KEYLbs62 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNPon8AAoJEBfSn9LueXXXbrQQAKRSmiMdDsTR4g9+TFCnc0g5 0CMXTGN+iVhOfxuF1FF9cq+XCnPUvdahqicS6tMPqU7+rhsOUZz8kn3YVz2sNDNJ 8PLpKMUA/X5+i88z5KGFxhvnDfjBavPk6UuENnKJLRMdLjgXoxmFDnjRG/zxbIPI hVidtyluOso7Qtjx3BEG8k69GN92AjaTn7MPK/sqsswb23dOFT+l13lwhu/HLdcv uCP91BWXCaiAX/jxDJaTx3vs5is2DRoUlcpmWCiPvM3U3aeqKx/414r0iivespr0 zlBqXVrTQV24EsGreDXp1NgKyAekierPdCOTt7SoGawyTF1t6FQ07aauCFc/QZni JVvKBiIICbX6XBvwPGH1MSsgG9JkQoFAuEqhLRWkMrQLoC/tjwVfAZQoewieMxWu lhIci7usILIoDcPY3dlQFjSaSWNCCULw2V9x5pBg6U9Zu0ZlEWhAhGFcJxBZjHmw FkaZkgYzmSR3YcKHX2QQtcaLtX/JvYHtClOfxoZpt7jqbiTUoGimN7VRx+2Ntcya 6YD5pQWNZarAMC3WkA2OfBF1kQQMGY1638H1FJfrq5VfuPCDzgxOxrUFyMFWmZCU wHjtNcmsVJEaFn0y4t4IIMGM7Nbxnp4ldoEmjdAK55Yfg5zQlgEY+QYcbafAO96v I1nWRnmA3pmdPnsIVelC =8B0U -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+QahgC5+KEYLbs62-- From hammera@pickup.hu Tue Jan 25 09:44:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FAAE750550 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 09:44:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VbaBy3p4fTkj for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 09:44:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 246CF750248 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 09:44:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id A875CE8825 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 11:23:06 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D3E9B62.8060008@pickup.hu> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:44:02 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; hu; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110125082948.GA15634@football.tbsaunde.org> In-Reply-To: <20110125082948.GA15634@football.tbsaunde.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] (RFC) speaking position in XUL menus X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 09:44:16 -0000 Hy, Trev, I think you are full right this changed position index values mean this menues are have a group. Look for example if you reply a message the file menu items. The first two menu item is new and attachment. The second group two menu item is related with save (save and save as). The third menu group related with the message sending, etc. If the position index value is 1 of 1, this is mean the actual menu item is not have any menu group, this is a single menu item. I hopefuly understand right this new values meaning. Not possible restore original position index calculation only with pyatspi.ROLE_CHECK_MENU_ITEM, pyatspi.ROLE_MENU_ITEM, pyatspi.ROLE_RADIO_MENU_ITEM, pyatspi.ROLE_TEAROFF_MENU_ITEM, and pyatspi.ROLE_MENU? If not, I think have possible choosing ways, possible I am not known all fix ways: 1. If the users not disturb this new changed values, we keep this method with menues and menu items, because this change need with correct spokening of position index value with message list. 2. Need inserting this object related formatting values with src/orca/script/toolkits/Gecko/formatting.py file without positionindex value. We lost the menu related now incorrect position index values if we choosing this way. I not tested yet this fix way, but trying. This is the last way fix if not have another way. Attila From trev.saunders@gmail.com Tue Jan 25 09:56:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99A29750643 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 09:56:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id clz94PTa8aDP for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 09:56:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 064167505B8 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 09:56:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwj9 with SMTP id 9so5121438qwj.27 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 01:56:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=v8JYiKy9R7sFtJhl+v+mt/oPihnET/LbNjqYX9xQcfs=; b=bVwUofMRnyoEWeQZw21hfi8DS5OewwFymjCkAf5PnUOoXRVGr8GYX/QJVOqqsRpNCN JgSQ4F3VJfjG3jEyoXwoVn2WOFvkPp1uZL3sbV8A9o6XIWUMR0j2LBOSrbZpfXmpwC4z LF16NA5L2h47HSJYIxWZpsrBN+C0ORnp5kS2g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=rrUcQItiCsbNqm2dn8hJiVykh6guj/0N9EjvoRDR7knfmIRvK2lk6VOg2d4YpYKPwC 3vgoJXEggrxXxR+oj5fY4Io975Q9k812aBkAItb7bZ56A30XEEKoSOI3WYtVIcxoxjzp yAaWYkybMPaTu5oybE2Dqs3W+ZK4CZsKobV4U= Received: by 10.224.60.137 with SMTP id p9mr5105035qah.368.1295949360680; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 01:56:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from football.tbsaunde.org (TREVTOP2W.WV.CC.CMU.EDU [128.237.249.61]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g28sm10111788qck.37.2011.01.25.01.55.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 25 Jan 2011 01:55:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 04:54:40 -0500 From: Trevor Saunders To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110125095440.GB15634@football.tbsaunde.org> References: <20110125082948.GA15634@football.tbsaunde.org> <4D3E9B62.8060008@pickup.hu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="TRYliJ5NKNqkz5bu" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D3E9B62.8060008@pickup.hu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: [orca-list] (RFC) speaking position in XUL menus X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 09:56:13 -0000 --TRYliJ5NKNqkz5bu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:44:02AM +0100, Hammer Attila wrote: > Hy, >=20 > Trev, I think you are full right this changed position index values > mean this menues are have a group. > Look for example if you reply a message the file menu items. > The first two menu item is new and attachment. > The second group two menu item is related with save (save and save as). > The third menu group related with the message sending, etc. > If the position index value is 1 of 1, this is mean the actual menu > item is not have any menu group, this is a single menu item. I > hopefuly understand right this new values meaning. yes, that is how it works. > Not possible restore original position index calculation only with > pyatspi.ROLE_CHECK_MENU_ITEM, pyatspi.ROLE_MENU_ITEM, > pyatspi.ROLE_RADIO_MENU_ITEM, pyatspi.ROLE_TEAROFF_MENU_ITEM, and > pyatspi.ROLE_MENU? Yes, as I said this is one option. > If not, I think have possible choosing ways, possible I am not known > all fix ways: > 1. If the users not disturb this new changed values, we keep this > method with menues and menu items, because this change need with > correct spokening of position index value with message list. > 2. Need inserting this object related formatting values with > src/orca/script/toolkits/Gecko/formatting.py file without > positionindex value. We lost the menu related now incorrect position > index values if we choosing this way. I don't understand what you are saying here. Trev > I not tested yet this fix way, but trying. > This is the last way fix if not have another way. >=20 > Attila > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightl= y/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQu= estions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp --TRYliJ5NKNqkz5bu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNPp3gAAoJEBfSn9LueXXXPT4P/362wNnGhl/QFy6ceBJ3Onjd 8paNHnaWpsKqWWqqIzYNXY5xUkrT4CQZXV5iSHfxuVM0kIeDC/DoBR4orRdeq8Gm igEk1I8gy5wSBMDO3DV7yeC+7kBh1Z6bMSp5dL2+R+4tDAfpYQXbQj5Mudte8HUC YnHCLH2ZvtIi6C58FG0q7fpRZUSVAV/CwX/mNCk73TdBtuYIJFKb2Skw91bmlLbL /geBoiok7HtFHw6DGuGORAY+fwbJKKiS427D63riVMOTm2H0gXMXIpAM+teza8pU wtLjDHdr74vRU5kkt4e/7is+U04UyDAHjztzeziSJEORNaneNM3znlmKDdwCIOHI VDdR2cDS/QBCbsgnrR3nAvqU0sALnlo+DNpL+Rwll9zITnL4RREiZmv0w+3mcnjB cbpW+kjipYPVKkh4EYfPqKUBZj3qs5BN2hVTLLN6PrriP4wdmKVR8sPb57eZ3qkH 71xWECugamkBDewmgTj1l6QWLMFtfUt8dkxgeWTYG/U6aQdwD6ayme0xKWdoZOYY DZSSJPw+erYDbt8lSqJIReV45kNs9XkPGeu9ip6lP/IxJ0mNRY7MIzw/9K4ifoaE udz+QTUzOLeCZycgHl1ZkYD+NrgrDvNQ2IuTyh3btJpW57cL2/RC0nQ5Vjlzdkrg RRdsHXJiwiipqbZSMOgS =Mbl6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --TRYliJ5NKNqkz5bu-- From hammera@pickup.hu Tue Jan 25 10:00:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BC52750631 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:00:43 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L7zOOTtO9peG for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:00:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69B677505B8 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:00:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id E4B04E83A1 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 11:39:34 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D3E9F3F.1020602@pickup.hu> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 11:00:31 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; hu; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110125082948.GA15634@football.tbsaunde.org> <4D3E9B62.8060008@pickup.hu> In-Reply-To: <4D3E9B62.8060008@pickup.hu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] (RFC) speaking position in XUL menus X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:00:43 -0000 Hy, Trevor, I attached the src/orca/scripts/toolkits/Gecko/formatting.py related patch. If not have another solution, please test. I removed only the unfocused formatting now the position index spokening with menu objects related. Attila From hammera@pickup.hu Tue Jan 25 10:10:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4AFA750667 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:10:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5punu99uNfSr for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:10:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58B53750631 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:10:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id E8873E84F9 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 11:49:42 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D3EA19F.20602@pickup.hu> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 11:10:39 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; hu; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110125082948.GA15634@football.tbsaunde.org> <4D3E9B62.8060008@pickup.hu> <20110125095440.GB15634@football.tbsaunde.org> In-Reply-To: <20110125095440.GB15634@football.tbsaunde.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] (RFC) speaking position in XUL menus X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:10:52 -0000 Hy Trew, The last way fix way meaning following: Have a Gecko related formatting.py file with src/orca/scripts/toolkits/Gecko directory, with prowide possibility to add custom formatting orders for speech and bnraille. I added for example following with pyatspi.role_menu related in src/orca/scripts/toolkits/Gecko/formatting.py file, the original value is following with main src/orca/formatting.py file: 'unfocused': 'labelAndName + allTextSelection + roleName + availability + ' + MNEMONIC + ' + accelerator + positionInList', The new value is following in src/orca/scripts/toolkits/Gecko/formatting.py file: 'unfocused': 'labelAndName + allTextSelection + roleName + availability + ' + orca.formatting.MNEMONIC + ' + accelerator', So, I removed the positionInList part with Gecko speech output with this object and all menu related objects. I not doed this with where am I related, but the method is working if not have another way. Attila From trev.saunders@gmail.com Tue Jan 25 10:45:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EDE6750A92 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:45:14 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2-La-ISuTKg9 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:45:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92E14750667 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:45:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws9 with SMTP id 9so2189063vws.27 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 02:45:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=YVbSboqxGi8V8Dcnph59ErfPdFCiDP8S4JwwfvLj8VQ=; b=aERu9rkl3wAcWQnEoKGKG3o+pWRRZsBDFvNGnlvwxPILM3IzgkF9vko4NYelpyloZR hv1LrVT9mTlV4waWvo4HN2LKSteGPTy+hi4Gy33e4Om4eiD819D6SZFfSy9CR/iUP/+Z m+sZQQQtUrTqkHhSzPnTeG7Q2TcHSUI16cVKw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=FHOHiZyamg7vALwPWl2RPHs/2FeLHfH7jriVXco6THXNH7y74bid/Rvzp3KhNzeFoq Ibm45u6wLV5qG+eG34ZKCtGwf+NpbJIgbG5D11iICBF66cr/QgrHfkH6EG/XJB/CZLGT 7MFELNo8lCJD/SN/qXV/y/6/xKaCJmQFi+F8A= Received: by 10.220.183.71 with SMTP id cf7mr174789vcb.35.1295952298465; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 02:44:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from football.tbsaunde.org (TREVTOP2W.WV.CC.CMU.EDU [128.237.249.61]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b26sm8570722vby.13.2011.01.25.02.44.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 25 Jan 2011 02:44:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 05:43:38 -0500 From: Trevor Saunders To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110125104338.GC15634@football.tbsaunde.org> References: <20110125082948.GA15634@football.tbsaunde.org> <4D3E9B62.8060008@pickup.hu> <20110125095440.GB15634@football.tbsaunde.org> <4D3EA19F.20602@pickup.hu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LwW0XdcUbUexiWVK" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D3EA19F.20602@pickup.hu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: [orca-list] (RFC) speaking position in XUL menus X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:45:14 -0000 --LwW0XdcUbUexiWVK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:10:39AM +0100, Hammer Attila wrote: > Hy Trew, >=20 > The last way fix way meaning following: I wasn't sure what you meant by _any_ of the fixes you suggested. More importantly I was initially asking what the desired behavior is, and until we've decided that, "fixing" has no meaning since we don't know what the problem is. I suggested a couple different ways orca could behave and options that could be configured, which are you saying you prefer? > Have a Gecko related formatting.py file with > src/orca/scripts/toolkits/Gecko directory, with prowide possibility > to add custom formatting orders for speech and bnraille. that's fine but what does it have to do with the problem? The "problem" is that orca may generate position information than is either different =66rom what you expect, but in a way correct, or completely bogus information. WHile having options for how the information gets formated is nice, I don't believe that is what we are discussing here. > I added for example following with pyatspi.role_menu related in > src/orca/scripts/toolkits/Gecko/formatting.py file, the original > value is following with main src/orca/formatting.py file: > 'unfocused': 'labelAndName + allTextSelection + roleName > + availability + ' + MNEMONIC + ' + accelerator + positionInList', > The new value is following in > src/orca/scripts/toolkits/Gecko/formatting.py file: > 'unfocused': 'labelAndName + allTextSelection + roleName > + availability + ' + orca.formatting.MNEMONIC + ' + accelerator', > So, I removed the positionInList part with Gecko speech output with > this object and all menu related objects. ok, say you are suggesting the route of not presenting position for items in a list? Trev > I not doed this with where am I related, but the method is working > if not have another way. >=20 > Attila > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightl= y/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQu= estions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp --LwW0XdcUbUexiWVK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNPqlaAAoJEBfSn9LueXXXXo0QAISonjzPgR/RbgNMVUCaMv9L Vhn9pYKqsMzbXlzpYLvxpgNr3aUY+nw9r6awsNMWcQrFtf7SGvQproZuQBFSO1Y2 8t4PAbo+q6RZmSoJIshaRVimX3j00Jq6ce1Mind78NxmePEAVdSpOonrW8YyTsxl fz4oR4KXDvPcDLhBgvLND7OmE2BM+HUSIremp4fcOgvYfnvXFlyAw6yldePogqQE 4Jjv8tK9lUDcsYouUsopMCJpCRW4t1mwTrtJ4D0MWah0475bHbD+hCXB4ECTzMe2 fPYAoTZkVD8qfRe2zECoJv3z9JaKYw+dFZVRmMR7aV/dewT6pWJKi5npLXYgiPou pmO1b+hOiFv/HWzuMpjCI92bKLIH0QGpGvDGj00Cyfyzi9YqWqNMyjafwACzR03p xHYkHycIMrlcefst/Qh04eV7ytfrxKZRn8apLq9fIOjYNVouPHH7tuszNYTrU7YK LxULoYHQb5ODZkOaA8LoGnnEpIHi3ZpfwOx5q+9umTlvlNOkxzxQnNSp+FBxljp0 Kk8bYnqvjwnAqybO753OIQ7MUbB6LtyTWMRVEQm0OkWmg5ElX/YJ4nzi94TDGHQz tN+ihokrc40B27r/rOcCNoQkzYut06/vZt7+8rFv7Aj154K3/CLbcrauXutYqo/a 7MQPETQuiWrawt8qCBf+ =9dlO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --LwW0XdcUbUexiWVK-- From hammera@pickup.hu Tue Jan 25 11:53:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F05AE7505C8 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 11:53:47 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QgLd+owlHeye for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 11:53:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BFFA7504E1 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 11:53:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id 1A9C1E868A for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 13:32:38 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D3EB9BE.6040902@pickup.hu> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 12:53:34 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; hu; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110125082948.GA15634@football.tbsaunde.org> <4D3E9B62.8060008@pickup.hu> <20110125095440.GB15634@football.tbsaunde.org> <4D3EA19F.20602@pickup.hu> <20110125104338.GC15634@football.tbsaunde.org> In-Reply-To: <20110125104338.GC15634@football.tbsaunde.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] (RFC) speaking position in XUL menus X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 11:53:48 -0000 Hy, Sorry trevor, I prewious missunderstood your first letter. :-):-) If possible I not suggest removing the position index spokening with XUL menus, if possible restoring the oldest Orca announced position index values for this menu objects only. So, I suggest following solution if this is possible and not risk the good performance with Thunderbird 3.1.7 and higher versions message list: "- we can go back to the old guesing algorithm for menus, which isn't hard, but its often broken." Why broken the oldest algorithm for this menues? When I doing a git reset --hard command, I always hear right position index values for example in Thunderbird or Firefox opened File menu. For example if I pulling down the Edit menu with this window, I hear following index values: "Undo 1 of 15 Paste 5 of 15" This is happening I think because have some grayed menu items before paste menu item. Or with you talking error of this algorithm is an another error? Attila From trev.saunders@gmail.com Tue Jan 25 12:10:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD04B7504E1 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 12:10:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6wtlut6WCguF for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 12:10:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7947C75056B for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 12:10:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws9 with SMTP id 9so2192217vws.27 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 04:10:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=xs8MnGjL+OZkmoIjvfbepnaxaFapv3D41bEfUipyra0=; b=PH2Zp+8jO+HpsRQ8ggF+lnOfPHIirudf7kUKC3rtKqdztvCRCs0d7Rvl6GY7KxBIfc 3DnroXMvFLVrlBt5pIofNT6a08h0voI3x8N6uPoaUjrCMfN1sHjHYyn5uNQcdljdY0Tx zNmM5q0jbr59Rvw4KlS984NlcPjx0fl8NoF6M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=gOLEO3pA3EZxcsDl02YDOBihv4FkFQTPU7w8dSecLANoc7nmkXCGvLh69eE5MbjE8N Rwga9YfBi0+VePlKS1csBVUMKh2lz1Bfr1AzL13geHt5+E50THph0ozKWw/eWAx0QBUo NjzhM8vrI6QdVk64ExE/6iITAnYEXG9gxcfLc= Received: by 10.220.179.9 with SMTP id bo9mr1555979vcb.188.1295957428856; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 04:10:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from football.tbsaunde.org (TREVTOP2W.WV.CC.CMU.EDU [128.237.236.40]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y15sm4535184vch.5.2011.01.25.04.10.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 25 Jan 2011 04:10:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 07:09:08 -0500 From: Trevor Saunders To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110125120908.GA28326@football.tbsaunde.org> References: <20110125082948.GA15634@football.tbsaunde.org> <4D3E9B62.8060008@pickup.hu> <20110125095440.GB15634@football.tbsaunde.org> <4D3EA19F.20602@pickup.hu> <20110125104338.GC15634@football.tbsaunde.org> <4D3EB9BE.6040902@pickup.hu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="liOOAslEiF7prFVr" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D3EB9BE.6040902@pickup.hu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: [orca-list] (RFC) speaking position in XUL menus X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 12:10:45 -0000 --liOOAslEiF7prFVr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 12:53:34PM +0100, Hammer Attila wrote: > Hy, >=20 > Sorry trevor, I prewious missunderstood your first letter. :-):-) np > If possible I not suggest removing the position index spokening > with XUL menus, if possible restoring the oldest Orca announced > position index values for this menu objects only. ok, so you'd rather have us gues your position in the menu instead of Ok, so you'd rather have a gues where you are in the full menu than firm knowledge where you are ina group of items in the menu. > So, I suggest following solution if this is possible and not risk > the good performance with Thunderbird 3.1.7 and higher versions > message list: > "- we can go back to the old guesing algorithm for menus, which isn't > hard, but its often broken." > Why broken the oldest algorithm for this menues? When I doing a git > reset --hard command, I always hear right position index values for > example in Thunderbird or Firefox opened File menu. yes, file seems to be fine here to. > For example if I pulling down the Edit menu with this window, I hear > following index values: > "Undo 1 of 15 > Paste 5 of 15" > This is happening I think because have some grayed menu items before > paste menu item. yes, I'm seeing similar if I open a random site in firefox and look at the edit menu I see select all, find find all, and preferences which are 7 - 10 of 10. imho that's atleast as "incorrect" as just getting your position in a group. > Or with you talking error of this algorithm is an another error? I don't actually know why that's happening, but yes, this is the issue I am refering to. Trev >=20 > Attila > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightl= y/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQu= estions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp --liOOAslEiF7prFVr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNPr1kAAoJEBfSn9LueXXXMboP/25nE7UJCe8/xvmY/H1h9k/w k8BzvntAIwsPqcgQPC/tXxgzXf/rB6BMq81jSSpZlp9nJp5FnH0vSCBoXHiIX7bX jf+j0bwofSD+plKmKz3Txr1Ib8AObm4hKkJPSlTVUByKSNYxNrk2Ik09CxMz3m+n 0wuPaemCWS5bfvOOT3OX6+PzRLSUGiutrurXAlNLjBjeHM9dVLywIG+pg2cSbu7Y ZoJ2pIUgP0fMLDxkrsRdbcMvS9R4sJx/mL4w9Afj3pOLLTVb2zEHgEjJV7/71g80 Xz5f30eTDw6vEXQSEt43V7Fu4AWQnIPu+douzDookWCPckOAAvnWyq44A8vcMmIY Cba6UylM285BlPP+SKhd0Tdxph0YZ+o60zYLJeqPoM4nRsxDEUe1d2mXsiw3FiyN +VC9jBu6h6ZffgYWdUkc71dVuKq+dgEXpIiGPWookXW1qFIo9/9zwGF2LpvpMMv7 cJCagI9DdWAX6JekHuF8UcXg2vBzv8PKm9xG/NOXnwWqMRbJDNiGgAwtlAoNbtIj mmfwFmrafT2t/v64zLoYJSydIO3X1nF7/eSBNolsGmvzYK8SM1Gvzd9NU2hcwj0o 1JwTz00TivoMu+0RhRQHnMkJojgJW8sWglfOTuvkTxEZjV2h2TqSkiZvcsLGZTYW CiSDA/4yIc6y2sFn4Api =Zsbz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --liOOAslEiF7prFVr-- From hammera@pickup.hu Tue Jan 25 13:19:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA7C175056B for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 13:19:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sj12Xmuq-ccY for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 13:19:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEB6A75040B for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 13:19:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id 6B460E86F7 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 14:58:13 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D3ECDCE.8070600@pickup.hu> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 14:19:10 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; hu; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110125082948.GA15634@football.tbsaunde.org> <4D3E9B62.8060008@pickup.hu> <20110125095440.GB15634@football.tbsaunde.org> <4D3EA19F.20602@pickup.hu> <20110125104338.GC15634@football.tbsaunde.org> <4D3EB9BE.6040902@pickup.hu> <20110125120908.GA28326@football.tbsaunde.org> In-Reply-To: <20110125120908.GA28326@football.tbsaunde.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] (RFC) speaking position in XUL menus X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 13:19:24 -0000 Hy, Trevor, you wrote: " Ok, so you'd rather have a gues where you are in the full menu than firm knowledge where you are ina group of items in the menu." Yes, I suggest original git master used values. Your patch announced now used menu grouping is not always good, but this is not your mistake. If possible need restoring oldest menu position index calculation with following objects: pyatspi.ROLE_CHECK_MENU_ITEM, pyatspi.ROLE_MENU_ITEM, pyatspi.ROLE_RADIO_MENU_ITEM, pyatspi.ROLE_TEAROFF_MENU_ITEM, and pyatspi.ROLE_MENU. So, if the future awailable bug 634642 patch resulting right original git master produced position index values with Thunderbird file menu with you see prewious, this is will be good because Orca newer recalculating position index values if have disabled menu items, but this is not only XUL menu specific problem and little offtopic. Note: technical this is not possible in future (decreasing disabled menuitems with positional index values)? For example if you opening Gedit and looking the edit menu, I think five menu items are disabled by default. In future because Orca doesn't presenting disabled menu items when the user navigating the arrow keys, not possible recalculate position index value with beginning 1 and increasing only the enabled menu item numbers? An example with easy help demonstrate what the problem now: For example, have an application, with have ten menu items the file menu. The 2., 3., and 4. menu items is disabled by default, because not happened a case with need enabling the 2., 3., and 4. menu items. Now, Orca when the user landing the file menu and jump the first menu item spokening 1 of 10 position index value. For example, the user press down arrow key. Because the 2., 3. and 4. menu items is disabled, the next spokened position index value is 5 of 10, not 2 of 10. Because in this example application real possible choosing 7 menu items (some menues is now disabled and not announced when the user navigate the arrow keys), the real position index values is following: If the user landing the file menu, the first position index value is 1 of 7. When the user pressing Down arrow, the next position value is 2 of 7, etc. Attila From stormdragon2976@gmail.com Tue Jan 25 15:42:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBC0B750184 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 15:42:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.146 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.146 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=1.553, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GeGnyBeBKWdi for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 15:42:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 959E2750232 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 15:42:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywp6 with SMTP id 6so1832227ywp.27 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 07:42:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:subject:from:to:content-type:date:message-id :mime-version:x-mailer; bh=p7cTb9nFFRuR/M4Ch0h4SsrnQsXiKFQDXWZQjY4ShuY=; b=ITSeh7xzlynZAbk6w0Y9fvapeL8f91ESKGTD3gOlAHSzOx6LyF1OavPIbuE9hufp4Q n/h1dewrr1K0nSagXIrs/CTSuKBVKXhsiSDJZy4htLUy0+lTElZcYVbXUiQWCgSjJJGC iM+u7+HEnkfNXhpujG/uSycbsbTYoxnkLGZns= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer; b=LKJ1v70blr2l9Ve0gVPbCqYNFtfQOt3rVBsgA4kPNuWaLMgfgfQRjuxt+RmW3o88Fn LvoOermgvvHuKSNv2AALCxVY7/dmW77T/rmAajUcVKAH3UvS1sC0JwiHntO8Xcuwalc0 hicUmgqDccQqFC6nlXOq5AN7EX3Lo4SbRgrwE= Received: by 10.91.160.30 with SMTP id m30mr7016647ago.61.1295970158355; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 07:42:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([137.118.186.73]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f4sm457463yhc.14.2011.01.25.07.42.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 25 Jan 2011 07:42:37 -0800 (PST) From: Storm Dragon To: Orca-list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-Mo4RjYPkKljQ6bi2aMvv" Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:42:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1295970151.7831.42.camel@stormdragon-laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3 Subject: [orca-list] Debug.out for that random stop speaking bug X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 15:42:52 -0000 --=-Mo4RjYPkKljQ6bi2aMvv Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I finally managed to get the bug and the debug file to happen at the same time. Thing is, I lost the link for the bug and can't seem to find it. If anyone has the link for the recent bug where orca just quits talking for apparently no reason please send it my way. thanks Storm -- Vinux Publicity Coordinator Registered Linux user number 508465: http://counter.li.org/ My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: http://www.stormdragon.us/ My last.fm profile: http://www.last.fm/user/stormdragon2976 "Every day is Halloween" Type O Negative --=-Mo4RjYPkKljQ6bi2aMvv Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi,
I finally managed to get the bug and the debug file to happen at the same time. Thing is, I lost the link for the bug and can't seem to find it. If anyone has the link for the recent bug where orca just quits talking for apparently no reason please send it my way.
thanks
Storm
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--=-Mo4RjYPkKljQ6bi2aMvv-- From weavermicha@googlemail.com Wed Jan 26 13:42:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D5A4750764 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:42:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.689 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.689 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RFC_ABUSE_POST=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IlSXdfjTD6c7 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:42:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F7A075072E for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:42:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyf19 with SMTP id 19so942543wyf.27 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 05:42:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:subject:to:content-type; bh=wbERdm7bA49XvIq5EPxprgazfStUKjXk20DTm3MyEU0=; b=NntjZMC6qVAg2GpAG9c0TmE0bPINAlNGguaFhbMMVwjbQXHWFoFx+hqaJcEhezS6V/ h3QJ6v5FFM/nFTvXR2dk/QjCWTJlZ02WF5XmegFRZgd4/66RcYbG5r3dh6R9TcKVsKdu oPS3nKQdrjPP1wapZBcnXfd40r0/QsLSunHgk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:subject:to:content-type; b=nS1H/viy8qcdBQrg9LO8LmkAf60fE+gsj4PKwjpm8s2peTCaDJJzYFobIgIv6wpdBb FqmR9f2pRWd9h2diBkWl2+27Nw2W3lcF8d7c1sAlwI5O2fQ8fLImakZLXHwTTfnxKq16 NJjqVFoIoRV6QirDKSrprFTSuapFDDMj0uZQA= Received: by 10.227.142.85 with SMTP id p21mr7517116wbu.12.1296049331668; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 05:42:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from BrailleNote (host86-136-135-241.range86-136.btcentralplus.com [86.136.135.241]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f27sm96339wbf.7.2011.01.26.05.42.09 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 26 Jan 2011 05:42:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4d4024b2.1b08e30a.1015.09d5@mx.google.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:43:15 +0000 From: michael weaver To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Subject: [orca-list] installing ubuntu X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:42:24 -0000 i screwed up my ubuntu system on my desktop pc and i am trying to do a reinstall. i have tried doing space, f5, 3 and enter twice after 10 seconds, 20 seconds etc and the best i can do is get it to the point where it goes through the orca settup and then my problem beginns when it is supposed to log out and back in again because i have pressed enter, ctrl alt delete and i cannot get to the login promt. what would i be best to do when trying to run the live cd? i tried pressing space a few times before my f5 3 enter twice and still the same results. From bmh1980de@yahoo.de Wed Jan 26 13:58:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2CF9750C7D for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:58:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bdBzRGIAPmYV for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:58:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm20-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm20-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.53.214]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4572B75086F for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:58:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.52.193] by nm20.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2011 13:58:28 -0000 Received: from [74.6.228.38] by tm6.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2011 13:58:28 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp107.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2011 13:58:28 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.de; s=s1024; t=1296050308; bh=X2nhMxK4FxVKUC6N73u3Bt8Aar98ifXwSwCEyDcEj+M=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5i18OB87ZAh71gX2xgm+Q2CzjKkyCiiCLef1/vNvfXnu5ZSlacvi00jHnHxIkWfe0Dd1o+KfQiAToGuT0qjI+eOQnuVFeTTxLv9hxzCL1PaxFdNEfn85mkXJBYYa3rwKQ11pU7xzt7KH4pF+WGASXO6bb9sc5ixfA07wBvdBJ5o= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 229747.70719.bm@smtp107.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: from [192.168.1.50] (bmh1980de@85.181.213.121 with plain) by smtp107.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2011 05:58:27 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cp5ucI2swBDgt7JRmWe4v_wy5rFT5Q-- X-YMail-OSG: 5rgdU30VM1njR3R0v5z5wzlcgqSjH1fhsZVlEdq.p8oJ9EI JCZ3jljfRkO3Ly1ZDHY2hXGtwoTKZhANNj00HRVVu5KOhhVLIiv1H5P3Jx9X hCJZCQd7vYxod0rplVH5MBulfpizlX3zlnyKWW7adMYRUDe3dzpGhl4Epc2z yX4080MdlNLxTuLl4x4ozqlqEvjQ.n3rkuKuzIwLK7RwQYz_iNjg579dE7WF CPwlIyiRD7P57wWt2gWOaablM6b7JQaiT8a7W.AAPdw2N1OI6eaCY8giyqJs qGawkvJiNbBK4cAMqMMEH9zxfNDsnQ0x26zr4Y6eqmDOYRT7aaRTsTp_IcX9 7TY7V7N44EDcWuvw_o4wwDg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4D40151F.1030708@yahoo.de> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:35:43 +0100 From: Marcus Habermehl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Whapples References: <4D3761B2.5070507@yahoo.de> <4D37AA47.80808@gnome.org> <20110120043847.GB12357@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <20110120065137.GA24412@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> <4D398B3F.60105@yahoo.de> <20110121161003.GD633@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> <4D3ABB4B.2010103@aim.com> <4D3B3EDF.9080500@yahoo.de> <4D3D3909.7010300@aim.com> In-Reply-To: <4D3D3909.7010300@aim.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:58:42 -0000 Am 24.01.2011 09:32, schrieb Michael Whapples: > On -10/01/37 20:59, Marcus Habermehl wrote: >> Am 22.01.2011 12:11, schrieb Michael Whapples: >>> Hello, >>> I very much agree with Steve. We certainly should not use many key >>> presses up for a feature which may or may not be used by some people (I >>> can say for myself I don't make use of such a feature, even when its >>> available to me when using Mac and voiceover, I generally prefer jump to >>> next element of given type or do a search). >> I have to contradict you. Otherwise we would have to put the flat review >> to the debate. > > Why are you contradicting me, if anything proving what I mean. In the > case of flat review, in the ideal world I think there would be little > value to it. However we don't live in the ideal world, sometimes > applications are poorly behaved and flat review is the only option. As > an example I had a plugin for thunderbird which added an icon to the > toolbar but provided no other way of activating the feature other than > to click it, therefore flat review was needed to be able to activate the > functionality of the plugin. Another example of the need for flat review > is to reread the output in a gnome-terminal window. So there are some > examples where flat review are needed, lists of links, headings, etc, > aren't needed, one can get at those elements in other ways as I have > already described. Michael, I will contradicting because of your arguments. You use the flat list and it's okay for you that this requires a lot of shortcuts. You don't use the lists and it's not okay for you that they need a lot of shortcuts. It's okay that we talk about it. But I do not agree that the preferences of other users are ignored completely. Perhaps the people I know too inflexible. I do not know. But when they tried to work with Orca, they have problems without these lists. And I think "there are too many shortcuts" simply not a valid argument against it. Sorry. >> Just as an example: JAWS has shortcuts for structural >> navigation and separate lists. No one I know and used JAWS, uses the >> structural navigation. > That is jaws in a windows environment, we are on about orca in a gnome > environment, lets keep to what makes sense for orca. My point here is, > if an idea is good for orca it will stand up regardless of what other > screen readers do. To me it's not about comparing Orca with JAWS or GNOME with Windows. In the case of lists, it's about how a person navigates through web pages. And since it does not matter whether with JAWS in Windows or Orca in GNOME. There are simply users who mainly use these lists. That should not be ignored. >>> Now how might it be done, the treeview is one option, another being the >>> submenu idea. Now how might these compare for usage? Thinking about it, >>> the menu/submenu idea is nice as one could press the key to bring up the >>> menu listing the various types of element (including "All elements") and >>> then the user could easily jump to the appropriate one using the >>> shortcut letter. Its the next bit which may not work so well if using >>> submenus, I don't think GTK menus allow one to type so much of the menu >>> item they want to go to (like you can on the Mac), so meaning the user >>> would have to scroll through the menu to find what they want in the >>> submenu. >> I'm not sure what do you mean. Do you mean something like this: You are >> searching for a link 'Login' and type 'log', or do you mean typing 'l' >> as often as you are at 'Login'? > I mean typing "log" or may be even "lo" if that is enough to get to it. > The repetition of first letter seems so clunky at times to me, eg. > helping my father with his windows computer, trying to get to "Mozilla > firefox" in the programmes menu took so long as there was microsoft > this, microsoft that, etc, and so took at least half a dozen presses of > m where as "mo" would have gone straight to it. As I know this is only possible with treeviews, not with menus. >> The last one is provided by gtk+. The first one I think not. >> >>> Now to the tree view idea, I think this does allow filtering by typing, >> Yes it does. But currently the search results aren't spoken. See >> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=632058. So the first letter >> search, provided by menus are at the moment more comfortable to the user. >> >>> but I am not sure if there is a nice key stroke in gnome/GTK to go back >>> to parent node of the tree (say I had gone into links and was quite a >>> way down the links, I don't think there is a key stroke I could use to >>> go back to the links node which is expanded, may be because I realised I >>> found it wasn't a link I need but a button). >>> >>> If I am wrong about the jumping back to parent nodes in a tree view then >>> I think the tree view may be better, otherwise I get the feeling the >>> menu idea is better (IE. if I know the text of what I am looking for >>> then I could do a standard search for it). >> I've searched in the sources of gtk+ and found in gtktreeview.c this: >> >> gtk_binding_entry_add_signal (binding_set, GDK_BackSpace, 0, >> "select-cursor-parent", 0); >> >> And it works. Backspace brings me back to the parent tree node. I think >> this is what you mean. > Seems like backspace does what I mean, its I didn't know of that, > possibly its less discoverable than the technique of left/right to > expand and collapse nodes and left takes you to the parent. Backspace is also used in Nautilus to move to the parent folder. However, I would have never thought of it. Maybe it should be included in the tutorial messages. Or would it be too long? I can't assessing it because the German tutorial messages are far too long. :-( Greetings Marcus From bmh1980de@yahoo.de Wed Jan 26 13:58:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9ED6750C99 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:58:43 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.989 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.989 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f+wI+nxrz8CE for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:58:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm20.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm20.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.52.217]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A9E9E750764 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:58:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.52.195] by nm20.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2011 13:58:29 -0000 Received: from [74.6.228.51] by tm8.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2011 13:58:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp110.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2011 13:58:29 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.de; s=s1024; t=1296050309; bh=7xUTcmIkI4S9ajFGfs38lP4violtsSoMCVR/1bALmno=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QpxYsKSTSprv/9x8UHaRuwtzn+siocGwif7dCv9RjfWOGKhP3btGjI5huqg/abV+6p+ztJJqH7FDTtc0+IPx7RLD9w0zi+gqGJFkppDluTmzGTtWQT/dPn4h/HpMZISgfa5gxk6T1oKl5c8tyPOYooi56DevSJ4wGXwchjcFsL4= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 730851.6545.bm@smtp110.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: from [192.168.1.50] (bmh1980de@85.181.213.121 with plain) by smtp110.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2011 05:58:29 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cp5ucI2swBDgt7JRmWe4v_wy5rFT5Q-- X-YMail-OSG: 2i.th8EVM1mFxAlndd9hh3ufI7te0DtMFmWMQN5O7F5e6pU vaI_G42Wk6Rg18JMaJwn7d2DSeCuxsnGUBC8_LpFGi4NpmZEzQ9R7lzEyUkH vrt0sg06TYgVjx3gUne8XgbF06gQHSdm1cFaNbbTBsPQcxrp_2cC13FvayQJ 1_Ihbhvo5_z1KT14jZkNCZp.zOfgPKsYkIlLU8COJBtVD3HTVOhaEnUIiTYX QMT9fFO3oRGnXoeAuVA3Nv1sMQDRVSekMilYphtH4THAypUeevA_Al2qdhWN RlsyJOS2GwEZBeyk9FfUH9VSA0Q2d4Jb1VKLgyLHnL.c3oQYypPoQ0_304PY 6XRs14dDTBzH8Bwl29CU_3Q-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4D402321.9070609@yahoo.de> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:35:29 +0100 From: Marcus Habermehl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D3B8CF0.9040701@gmail.com> <4D3BD528.6000609@gmail.com> <4D3BE2BD.1040208@pickup.hu> <4D3C8FDB.9090101@yahoo.de> <4D3D0347.1030804@pickup.hu> In-Reply-To: <4D3D0347.1030804@pickup.hu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:58:44 -0000 Hi Attila. I've send a patch to the list for testing the two variants. I think it makes more sense to select the GUI first and then think first about details. Because with a tree view you have other options than with a menu. Greetings Marcus Am 24.01.2011 05:42, schrieb Hammer Attila: > Hy, > > Marcus, in FF3 the Navigation Bundle extension put a submenu in Firefox > tools menu with containing following menu items the navigation submenu, > but this extension only supporting two list: > Headings list > Links list > For example because need listing lot of possible objects (I think all > structural navigation supported objects requested some users) and now we > don't known yet Orca supporting two letters shortcuts, following similar > context menu is possible good with based now your feature listing > shortcuts order: > "List all objects > Clickable objects list > Form fields list > Frames list > Headings list > Links list" > Future only have problem if need listing for example with only check > boxes, radio buttons, or only 2nd headings with don't fit my menu map > ydea. This situation if the user need only checkboxes list, enough to > press future for example Orca+Ctrl+X or any final keystroke. > Or, perhaps better ydea with form fields filtering: For example not good > if final putting a radio button group in form fields list dialog with > possible control filtering (after all form fields list is generated this > is I think possible), for example: > "Control type filtering (this is the radio button group name > All form fields > Only buttons > Only check boxes > only combo boxes > only edit boxes > Only radio buttons" > Etc. > > Attila > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From bmh1980de@yahoo.de Wed Jan 26 13:59:20 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 983DE75086F for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:59:20 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.758 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.758 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, TW_GT=0.077, TW_TK=0.077, TW_YG=0.077, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oemhDBJg9Hga for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:59:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm9-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm9-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.53.192]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DAB53750764 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:59:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.52.192] by nm9.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2011 13:59:00 -0000 Received: from [74.6.228.34] by tm5.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2011 13:59:00 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp103.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2011 13:59:00 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.de; s=s1024; t=1296050340; bh=FaCdyc5tyzTvY1a+YNK8mf5Xm8imERp3Grae6Ap5vVM=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=j6tBlhxEbWFI8xAEyUCTwK08Xh8HM6qTveZeEn6pZEaVz6IXc++6DfcFseD9iPnI6Vu81SMm65nJ+NJPqojYGb8NPQOpEkvsTzDzD4wF6v7cs7HMf2SjYt7lKscjy6gqH0r9z4jH7TZyWlL/I8pHQkSRck83nhgP/wJG26XU/YE= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 703786.52159.bm@smtp103.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: from [192.168.1.50] (bmh1980de@85.181.213.121 with plain) by smtp103.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2011 05:58:59 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cp5ucI2swBDgt7JRmWe4v_wy5rFT5Q-- X-YMail-OSG: SrKgi24VM1lmb_0BngCB_mnBn.r5lOmd5uSt4zGMv2ACGEK 8i3OvTO6F4RSz5sjz0HkP2oMI6tVAO_hr2TzALmB0MHGZHih5CCprgADRA2S NwJjcQh6sRE17J3JnmwiBR.A5vXI_wJOin7SxjMhggOPLvs.tLqdWLc4gkMc ej0pP7KqTnkLumrg4MR2QkZ8GSoEigknBAevwkPRXzvYufyLmTZhuoNMJR1x rdOS1_iApq3CqIKiTCmk1ej4cRfDO7yxADEmNUPySnzm7KSCYspEhKL5niPu G72Q6fvcf8VWKmaWbvvuUAyr.Kc75GnQDav8_tLAoTQiaJZNBPuRegTsBrfc BRH0uIFZnhfNGRZF.4Y5JQbwWAL2UO2JOIg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4D402874.3060803@yahoo.de> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:58:12 +0100 From: Marcus Habermehl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D3761B2.5070507@yahoo.de> In-Reply-To: <4D3761B2.5070507@yahoo.de> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010305060208050008050301" Subject: Re: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:59:20 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010305060208050008050301 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi. Here is a patch for testing the two widget types (treeview and menu) for the list feature. It is not the final version! Regardless of the debate on the shortcut I used Orca+Ctrl+F8 for the tree view and Orca+Ctrl+F9 for the popup menu. To test the two versions this should not be a problem. Based on the overall list, which is used in the patch: Separators usually have not a name. They would appear in the list always as unnamed. Currently the patch includes separators. But I don't think this is usefull. If you use structural navigation you get the context of separators, too. For the lists this is not possible. I do not know how important for you it is to distinguish between headings. The patch currently only lists headings on generally. Should there are still entries for the different levels, too? The links are in the current list summarized below links and again classified separately under visited and unvisited links. The distinction makes sense in the structural navigation. Does it makes sense in the list, too? Same question for the form fields. Which are summarized below form fields, and again classified separately under the type. The menu entries for the object types have a mnemonic that corresponds to the key for the structural navigation. Excepting the form fields ("Tab" can't be a mnemonic) and live regions (the title doesn't includes "D"). This is next to the two-step shortcut. Please test the patch and then tell which version is more comfortable and what you say about the different things.. For the menu, the shortcut Orca+Menu would be close. Could remember quite simple. Or is that too difficult on a laptop? I mean, the buttons are always quite different on laptops. Why I think for (+) and against (-) a tree view: + in a tree view, you can search and filter items + isers of other screen readers would be familiar with the tree view - entries in a tree view have not a mnemonic - Orca currently can't speak the search results Why I think for (+) and against (-) a menu: + entries in menus have mnemonics + lesser code required + users of the FF addon would be familiar with the menu - you can not filter or search through menus Greetings Marcus --------------010305060208050008050301 Content-Type: text/x-patch; name="Patch-for-testing-purpose-only.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Patch-for-testing-purpose-only.patch" >From 5f645b0e3a8db8c8d16b3373a6c368c576f3616d Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Marcus Habermehl Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 01:44:12 +0100 Subject: [PATCH] Patch for testing purpose only - one step to solve #620331; which variant is more comfortable? --- po/POTFILES.in | 2 + src/orca/Makefile.am | 2 + src/orca/object_navigator.py | 549 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ src/orca/orca-object-navigator.ui | 56 ++++ src/orca/structural_navigation.py | 37 +++ 5 files changed, 646 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-) create mode 100644 src/orca/object_navigator.py create mode 100644 src/orca/orca-object-navigator.ui diff --git a/po/POTFILES.in b/po/POTFILES.in index a96dd12..6de4f8b 100644 --- a/po/POTFILES.in +++ b/po/POTFILES.in @@ -20,6 +20,7 @@ src/orca/keynames.py src/orca/liveregions.py src/orca/mag.py src/orca/notification_messages.py +src/orca/object_navigator.py [type: gettext/glade]src/orca/orca-advanced-magnification.ui src/orca/orca_console_prefs.py [type: gettext/glade]src/orca/orca-find.ui @@ -29,6 +30,7 @@ src/orca/orca_gui_prefs.py src/orca/orca.in [type: gettext/glade]src/orca/orca-mainwin.ui src/orca/orca.py +[type: gettext/glade]src/orca/orca-object-navigator.ui [type: gettext/glade]src/orca/orca-preferences-warning.ui [type: gettext/glade]src/orca/orca-profile.ui [type: gettext/glade]src/orca/orca-quit.ui diff --git a/src/orca/Makefile.am b/src/orca/Makefile.am index 891ecac..2ec9aaf 100644 --- a/src/orca/Makefile.am +++ b/src/orca/Makefile.am @@ -41,6 +41,7 @@ orca_python_PYTHON = \ mag.py \ mouse_review.py \ notification_messages.py \ + object_navigator.py \ orca.py \ orca_console_prefs.py \ orca_gtkbuilder.py \ @@ -85,6 +86,7 @@ ui_DATA = \ orca-advanced-magnification.ui \ orca-find.ui \ orca-mainwin.ui \ + orca-object-navigator.ui \ orca-preferences-warning.ui \ orca-quit.ui \ orca-setup.ui \ diff --git a/src/orca/object_navigator.py b/src/orca/object_navigator.py new file mode 100644 index 0000000..01b80ea --- /dev/null +++ b/src/orca/object_navigator.py @@ -0,0 +1,549 @@ +# Orca +# +# Copyright 2010 Marcus Habermehl +# +# This library is free software; you can redistribute it and/or +# modify it under the terms of the GNU Library General Public +# License as published by the Free Software Foundation; either +# version 2 of the License, or (at your option) any later version. +# +# This library is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, +# but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of +# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU +# Library General Public License for more details. +# +# You should have received a copy of the GNU Library General Public +# License along with this library; if not, write to the +# Free Software Foundation, Inc., Franklin Street, Fifth Floor, +# Boston MA 02110-1301 USA. + +"""Displays a list of objects for structural navigation.""" + +__id__ = "$Id$" +__version__ = "$Revision$" +__date__ = "$Date$" +__copyright__ = "Copyright (c) 2011 Marcus Habermehl" +__license__ = "LGPL" + +import gtk +import os +import pyatspi + +import debug +import orca +import orca_gtkbuilder +import orca_platform +import orca_state +import rolenames + +from orca_i18n import _ # for gettext support + +FORMATTING = { + pyatspi.ROLE_CHECK_BOX: "%(name)s %(role)s %(state)s %(required)s", + pyatspi.ROLE_COMBO_BOX: "%(name)s %(content)s %(role)s %(required)s", + pyatspi.ROLE_ENTRY: "%(name)s %(role)s %(content)s %(required)s", + pyatspi.ROLE_FRAME: "%(name)s %(role)s", + pyatspi.ROLE_HEADING: "%(name)s %(role)s", + pyatspi.ROLE_IMAGE: "%(name)s %(role)s", + pyatspi.ROLE_INTERNAL_FRAME: "%(name)s %(role)s", + pyatspi.ROLE_LABEL: "%(name)s %(role)s", + pyatspi.ROLE_LINK: "%(name)s %(role)s", + pyatspi.ROLE_LIST: "%(name)s %(content)s %(role)s %(required)s", + pyatspi.ROLE_PARAGRAPH: "%(name)s %(role)s", + pyatspi.ROLE_PASSWORD_TEXT: "%(name)s %(role)s %(content)s %(required)s", + pyatspi.ROLE_PUSH_BUTTON: "%(name)s %(role)s", + pyatspi.ROLE_RADIO_BUTTON: "%(name)s %(state)s %(role)s %(required)s", + pyatspi.ROLE_SECTION: "%(name)s %(role)s", + pyatspi.ROLE_TEXT: "%(name)s %(role)s %(content)s %(required)s", + "fallback": "%(name)s %(role)s" +} + +OBJECTS = { + "anchor": _("_Anchors"), + "blockquote": _("Block _quotes"), + "button": _("_Buttons"), + "checkBox": _("Check bo_xes"), + "comboBox": _("_Combo boxes"), + "entry": _("_Entries"), + "formField": _("_Form fields"), + "heading": _("_Headings"), + "landmark": _("Land_marks"), + "link": _("Li_nks"), + "list": _("_Lists"), + "listItem": _("List _items"), + "liveRegion": _("Live re_gions"), + "paragraph": _("_Paragraphs"), + "radioButton": _("_Radio buttons"), + "separator": _("_Separators"), + "table": _("_Tables"), + "unvisitedLink": _("_Unvisited links"), + "visitedLink": _("_Visited links") +} + +class ObjectNavigatorDialog(orca_gtkbuilder.GtkBuilderWrapper): + def __init__(self, fileName, script): + orca_gtkbuilder.GtkBuilderWrapper.__init__( + self, fileName, "objectNavigator") + + self._script = script + + self._objectStore = gtk.TreeStore(str, object, object) + + self.get_widget("objectView").set_model(self._objectStore) + + entryRenderer = gtk.CellRendererText() + + entryColumn = gtk.TreeViewColumn("", entryRenderer) + entryColumn.add_attribute(entryRenderer, "text", 0) + self.get_widget("objectView").append_column(entryColumn) + + for i in range(2): + objectRenderer = gtk.CellRendererText() + + objectColumn = gtk.TreeViewColumn("", objectRenderer) + objectColumn.set_visible(False) + self.get_widget("objectView").append_column(objectColumn) + + def buildTheLabel(self, obj): + """Return a string that represents the label for an entry of + the HTML object list. + + Arguments: + - obj: the accessible object. + """ + + labelVars = {} + + labelVars["content"] = getContent(obj) + + # Don't overload the labels + if len(labelVars["content"]) > 50: + labelVars["content"] = labelVars["content"][:50] + "..." + + labelVars["name"] = obj.name + + if not labelVars["name"]: + if self._script.getStructuralNavigation()._formFieldPredicate(obj): + labelVars["name"] = self._script.guessTheLabel(obj, False) + + if not labelVars["name"]: + try: + labelVars["name"] = removeSpam(obj.queryText().getText(0, -1)) + except NotImplementedError: + pass + + if not labelVars["name"]: + # Translators: this is the label/name for unlabeled/unnamed + # HTML objects. + # + labelVars["name"] = _("Unnamed") + + if len(labelVars["name"]) > 50: + labelVars["name"] = labelVars["name"][:50] + "..." + + labelVars["required"] = getRequired(obj) + + labelVars["role"] = getRole(obj) + + labelVars["state"] = getState(obj) + + if obj.getRole() in FORMATTING: + label = FORMATTING[obj.getRole()] % labelVars + else: + label = FORMATTING["fallback"] % labelVars + + while label.count(" ") > 0: + label = label.replace(" ", " ") + + return label + + def getObjects(self, document, enabledObjects): + matches = {} + + for i in enabledObjects: + matches[enabledObjects[i].objType] = [] + + keys = matches.keys() + + if "unvisitedLink" in keys or "visitedLink" in keys: + keys.append("link") + + keys.sort() + + for key in keys: + matches[key] = [] + + objects = pyatspi.findAllDescendants(document, bool) + + for obj in objects: + for key in enabledObjects: + if not enabledObjects[key].objType in OBJECTS: + continue + + if enabledObjects[key].predicate(obj): + matches[key].append([obj, enabledObjects[key].present]) + + if "link" in keys: + if enabledObjects["unvisitedLink"].predicate(obj): + matches["link"].append( + [obj, enabledObjects["unvisitedLink"].present]) + elif enabledObjects["visitedLink"].predicate(obj): + matches["link"].append( + [obj, enabledObjects["visitedLink"].present]) + + return keys, matches + + def init(self, document, enabledObjects): + found = False + keys, matches = self.getObjects(document, enabledObjects) + + for key in keys: + if len(matches[key]) > 0: + found = True + parentIter = self._objectStore.append(None, + [OBJECTS[key].replace("_", ""), None, None]) + for (obj, present) in matches[key]: + self._objectStore.append(parentIter, + [self.buildTheLabel(obj), present, obj]) + + return found + + def onFocusOutEvent(self, widget, event): + self.get_widget("objectNavigator").destroy() + + def onRowActivated(self, treeview, path, viewColumn): + objectStore, treeIter = treeview.get_selection().get_selected() + + present, obj = objectStore.get(treeIter, 1, 2) + + if not present or not obj: + return + + self.get_widget("objectNavigator").destroy() + + while gtk.events_pending(): + gtk.main_iteration() + + present(obj) + + def showGUI(self, timestamp): + """Show the HTML object navigator dialog. This assumes that the GUI has + alreaddy been created. + """ + + # Set the current time on the object navigator GUI dialog so that it'll + # get focus. set_user_time is a new call in pygtk 2.9.2 or later. + # It's surronded by a try/except block here so that if it's not found, + # then we can fail gracefully. + # + try: + self.get_widget("objectNavigator").realize() + ts = orca_state.lastInputEventTimestamp + if ts == 0: + ts = gtk.get_current_event_time() + self.get_widget("objectNavigator").window.set_user_time(ts) + except AttributeError: + debug.printException(debug.LEVEL_FINEST) + + self.get_widget("objectNavigator").show() + +class ObjectNavigatorMenu(gtk.Menu): + def __init__(self, script): + gtk.Menu.__init__(self) + + self._script = script + + def buildTheLabel(self, obj): + """Return a string that represents the label for an entry of + the HTML object list. + + Arguments: + - obj: the accessible object. + """ + + labelVars = {} + + labelVars["content"] = getContent(obj) + + # Don't overload the labels + if len(labelVars["content"]) > 50: + labelVars["content"] = labelVars["content"][:50] + "..." + + labelVars["name"] = obj.name + + if not labelVars["name"]: + if self._script.getStructuralNavigation()._formFieldPredicate(obj): + labelVars["name"] = self._script.guessTheLabel(obj, False) + + if not labelVars["name"]: + try: + labelVars["name"] = removeSpam(obj.queryText().getText(0, -1)) + except NotImplementedError: + pass + + if not labelVars["name"]: + # Translators: this is the label/name for unlabeled/unnamed + # HTML objects. + # + labelVars["name"] = _("Unnamed") + + if len(labelVars["name"]) > 50: + labelVars["name"] = labelVars["name"][:50] + "..." + + labelVars["required"] = getRequired(obj) + + labelVars["role"] = getRole(obj) + + labelVars["state"] = getState(obj) + + if obj.getRole() in FORMATTING: + label = FORMATTING[obj.getRole()] % labelVars + else: + label = FORMATTING["fallback"] % labelVars + + while label.count(" ") > 0: + label = label.replace(" ", " ") + + return label + + def getObjects(self, document, enabledObjects): + matches = {} + + for i in enabledObjects: + matches[enabledObjects[i].objType] = [] + + keys = matches.keys() + + if "unvisitedLink" in keys or "visitedLink" in keys: + keys.append("link") + + keys.sort() + + for key in keys: + matches[key] = [] + + objects = pyatspi.findAllDescendants(document, bool) + + for obj in objects: + for key in enabledObjects: + if not enabledObjects[key].objType in OBJECTS: + continue + + if enabledObjects[key].predicate(obj): + matches[key].append([obj, enabledObjects[key].present]) + + if "link" in keys: + if enabledObjects["unvisitedLink"].predicate(obj): + matches["link"].append( + [obj, enabledObjects["unvisitedLink"].present]) + elif enabledObjects["visitedLink"].predicate(obj): + matches["link"].append( + [obj, enabledObjects["visitedLink"].present]) + + return keys, matches + + def init(self, document, enabledObjects): + found = False + keys, matches = self.getObjects(document, enabledObjects) + + for key in keys: + if len(matches[key]) > 0: + found = True + subMenu = gtk.Menu() + menuItem = gtk.MenuItem(OBJECTS[key]) + menuItem.set_submenu(subMenu) + self.append(menuItem) + for (obj, present) in matches[key]: + subItem = gtk.MenuItem("_%s" % self.buildTheLabel(obj)) + subItem.connect("activate", self.onActivation, obj, present) + subMenu.append(subItem) + + return found + + def onActivation(self, menuItem, obj, present, arg = None): + while gtk.events_pending(): + gtk.main_iteration() + + present(obj, arg) + + def showGUI(self, timestamp): + self.show_all() + self.select_first(True) + self.popup(None, None, None, 0, timestamp) + +def getContent(obj): + """Return the text contained in an accessible HTML document. + + Arguments: + - obj: the accessible object + """ + + content = "" + + if obj.getRole() == pyatspi.ROLE_COMBO_BOX: + if obj.getChildAtIndex(0).getRole() == pyatspi.ROLE_MENU: + selection = obj.getChildAtIndex(0).querySelection() + for i in range(selection.nSelectedChildren): + content = "%s %s" % (content, + selection.getSelectedChild(i).name) + elif obj.getRole() == pyatspi.ROLE_LIST and \ + obj.getState().contains(pyatspi.STATE_FOCUSABLE): + selection = obj.querySelection() + for i in range(selection.nSelectedChildren): + content = "%s %s" % (content, selection.getSelectedChild(i).name) + elif obj.getRole() in [pyatspi.ROLE_ENTRY, + pyatspi.ROLE_PASSWORD_TEXT, + pyatspi.ROLE_SPIN_BUTTON]: + content = obj.queryEditableText().getText(0, -1) + + return removeSpam(content) + +def getRequired(obj): + """Return a string that indicates a 'required' form field of + a HTML form. + + Arguments: + - obj: the accessible object + """ + + if obj.getState().contains(pyatspi.STATE_REQUIRED): + # Translators: this indicates a 'required' form field of + # a HTML form. + # + return _("required") + + return "" + +def getRole(obj): + """Return a string that represents the role of an accessible + HTML object. + + Arguments: + - obj: the accessible object + """ + + labelRole = rolenames.rolenames[obj.getRole()].speech + + if obj.getRole() == pyatspi.ROLE_HEADING: + level = "" + + for i in obj.getAttributes(): + if i.startswith("level:"): + level = int(i[6:]) + break + + # Translators: this is the role of a heading, extended with the + # heading level. + # + labelRole = _("%(role)s level %(level)d") % {"role": labelRole, + "level": level} + elif obj.getRole() == pyatspi.ROLE_LINK: + if obj.getState().contains(pyatspi.STATE_VISITED): + # Translators: this is the role of a visited link. + # + labelRole = _("visited %s") % labelRole + else: + # Translators: this is the role of an unvisited link. + # + labelRole = _("unvisited %s") % labelRole + elif obj.getRole() == pyatspi.ROLE_LIST: + if obj.getState().contains(pyatspi.STATE_MULTISELECTABLE): + # Translators: this is the role of a multiselectable list. + # + labelRole = _("multi-select %s") % labelRole + + if obj.childCount == 1: + # Translators: this is the role of a list with a single item. + # + labelRole = _("%s with one item") % labelRole + elif obj.childCount > 1: + # Translators: this is the role of a list with more than one item. + # + labelRole = _("%(role)s with %(items)d items") % { + "role": labelRole, + "items": obj.childCount} + + return labelRole + +def getState(obj): + """Return a string that represents the state of form fields that + can have different states, like check boxes. + + Arguments: + - obj: the accessible object + """ + + if obj.getRole() == pyatspi.ROLE_CHECK_BOX: + if obj.getState().contains(pyatspi.STATE_CHECKED): + # Translators: this indicates that a check box is checked. + # + return _("checked") + elif obj.getState().contains(pyatspi.STATE_INDETERMINATE): + # Translators: this indicates that a check box is partially checked. + # + return _("partially checked") + else: + # Translators: this indicates that a check box isn't checked. + # + return _("not checked") + elif obj.getRole() == pyatspi.ROLE_RADIO_BUTTON: + if obj.getState().contains(pyatspi.STATE_CHECKED): + # Translators: this indicates that a radio button is selected. + # + return _("selected") + else: + # Translators: this indicates that a radio button isn't selected. + # + return _("not selected") + elif obj.getRole() == pyatspi.ROLE_TOGGLE_BUTTON: + if obj.getState().contains(pyatspi.STATE_CHECKED): + # Translators: this indicates that a toggle button is pressed. + # + return _("pressed") + else: + # Translators: this indicates that a toggle button isn't pressed. + # + return _("not pressed") + + return "" + +def removeSpam(string): + string = string.replace("\xef\xbf\xbc", " ") + string = string.replace("\xc2\xa0", " ") + string = string.strip() + string = string.rstrip() + return string + +def showObjectNavigator(widgetType, script, document, enabledObjects, timestamp): + import time + start = time.localtime() + + orca.speech.speak( + _("Please wait while objects are collected."), + orca.settings.voices.get(orca.settings.SYSTEM_VOICE)) + + if widgetType == "dialog": + uiFile = os.path.join(orca_platform.prefix, + orca_platform.datadirname, + orca_platform.package, + "ui", + "orca-object-navigator.ui") + objectNavigator = ObjectNavigatorDialog(uiFile, script) + else: + objectNavigator = ObjectNavigatorMenu(script) + + if objectNavigator.init(document, enabledObjects): + objectNavigator.showGUI(timestamp) + else: + orca.speech.speak( + # Translators: this message is spoken if no structural navigation + # objects are found. + # + _("No objects to be displayed for the structural navigation."), + orca.settings.voices.get(orca.settings.SYSTEM_VOICE)) + + end = time.localtime() + required = (((end[4] * 60) + end[5]) - ((start[4] * 60) + start[5])) + print "We needed %d seconds to perform showObjectNavigator:%s." % \ + (required, widgetType) + diff --git a/src/orca/orca-object-navigator.ui b/src/orca/orca-object-navigator.ui new file mode 100644 index 0000000..8212c0d --- /dev/null +++ b/src/orca/orca-object-navigator.ui @@ -0,0 +1,56 @@ + + + + + + 5 + Object Navigator + normal + + + + True + 2 + + + True + True + automatic + automatic + + + 400 + 200 + True + True + False + True + + + + + + 1 + + + + + True + end + + + + + + + + + False + end + 0 + + + + + + diff --git a/src/orca/structural_navigation.py b/src/orca/structural_navigation.py index 15f2a85..d7dff84 100644 --- a/src/orca/structural_navigation.py +++ b/src/orca/structural_navigation.py @@ -32,6 +32,7 @@ import pyatspi import debug import input_event import keybindings +import object_navigator import orca import orca_state import settings @@ -595,6 +596,18 @@ class StructuralNavigation: structuralNavigationObject.inputEventHandlers) self.functions.extend(structuralNavigationObject.functions) + self.inputEventHandlers["showObjectNavigatorDialog"] = \ + input_event.InputEventHandler( + self.showObjectNavigatorDialog, + _("Show the over-all list of structural " + "navigation objects as dialog.")) + + self.inputEventHandlers["showObjectNavigatorMenu"] = \ + input_event.InputEventHandler( + self.showObjectNavigatorMenu, + _("Show the over-all list of structural " + "navigation objects as menu.")) + def getKeyBindings(self): """Defines the structural navigation key bindings for a script. @@ -618,6 +631,20 @@ class StructuralNavigation: for keybinding in bindings: keyBindings.add(keybinding) + keyBindings.add( + keybindings.KeyBinding( + "F8", + settings.defaultModifierMask, + settings.ORCA_CTRL_MODIFIER_MASK, + self.inputEventHandlers["showObjectNavigatorDialog"])) + + keyBindings.add( + keybindings.KeyBinding( + "F9", + settings.defaultModifierMask, + settings.ORCA_CTRL_MODIFIER_MASK, + self.inputEventHandlers["showObjectNavigatorMenu"])) + return keyBindings ######################################################################### @@ -659,6 +686,16 @@ class StructuralNavigation: debug.println(debug.LEVEL_CONFIGURATION, string) self._script.presentMessage(string) + def showObjectNavigatorDialog(self, script, inputEvent): + object_navigator.showObjectNavigator( + "dialog", script, self._getDocument(), + self.enabledObjects, inputEvent.timestamp) + + def showObjectNavigatorMenu(self, script, inputEvent): + object_navigator.showObjectNavigator( + "menu", script, self._getDocument(), + self.enabledObjects, inputEvent.timestamp) + ######################################################################### # # # Methods for Moving to Objects # -- 1.7.1 --------------010305060208050008050301-- From javier@tiflolinux.org Wed Jan 26 14:45:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C365750869 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:45:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.752 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.752 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DATE_IN_PAST_12_24=1.049, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Hly2wsTA41ZE for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:45:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from outbound-w12.bluehost.com (outbound-w12.bluehost.com [69.89.16.139]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 63C8E750876 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:45:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 27909 invoked by uid 0); 26 Jan 2011 14:45:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box447.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.247) by mrclean.bluehost.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2011 14:45:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=tiflolinux.org; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:X-Enigmail-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Identified-User; b=hO0Q4XGlBNlRgOGQC8/ydBWNmsZne9GdX0t+BxAIo4lqI8CZYHWTBf0xoP5uDmv2lHyvcAfpMN3prPJJ0O1Ix/TH7EaBrZiIA9IcbLI32rUbX0cFOqEPdU3RjSjK/IoV; Received: from [190.43.159.97] (helo=[192.168.0.23]) by box447.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pi6cs-0005uO-Md for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 07:45:38 -0700 Message-ID: <4D3F37E8.4030307@tiflolinux.org> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 15:51:52 -0500 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Francisco_Javier_Dorado_Mart=EDnez?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {32996:box447.bluehost.com:asociac1:tiflolinux.org} {sentby:smtp auth 190.43.159.97 authed with javier+tiflolinux.org} Subject: [orca-list] Application specific settings X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: javier@tiflolinux.org List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:45:52 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all In the latest master branch of Orca I find following: 1. Enter into Application's specific settings for (E.G Thunderbird) 2. Set specific settings for Thunderbird (E.G "Only speak displayed text") and save it. 3. Run Thunderbird (new settings for Thunderbird are loaded OK). 4. Alt + tab to another application And now settings for that application are not loaded or user's preferences are not used. The preferences set for Thunderbird is the only ones for all applications. Is this a known bug? Can someone confirm? Regards, Javier -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk0/N+gACgkQhD1pS7YT9Pr33QCfctz7S9keWwcOEH6psryMF4ZW xN4AnjiqyEUYpNhLL9W6DZvyjZ5EV/Hr =32RY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From hammera@pickup.hu Wed Jan 26 15:09:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13AF8750885 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 15:09:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CwhkT1QTbo5n for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 15:09:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7136D75086E for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 15:09:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id 5DF59E8685 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 16:48:23 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D403921.4090802@pickup.hu> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 16:09:21 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; hu; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D3761B2.5070507@yahoo.de> <4D402874.3060803@yahoo.de> In-Reply-To: <4D402874.3060803@yahoo.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 15:09:38 -0000 Hy, Marcus, thank you the test patch. My experiences: because this patch generating more lists, I see little speed performance slowing for example the vakbarat.index.hu, www.oc.hu webpages, but this is real because more objects presenting both two lists if it is awailable. Oldest time I think the list generation time this webpages is 3 second, now 10 second for example with vakbarat.index.hu webpage, I not remember now the last speed result with the #620331 bugreport last awailable patch. For example now the www.oc.hu webpage with containing lot of elements this time period is 14 second. The answers your questions: Because in list mode you wrote not possible determining the context with separators, separators is not need. "I do not know how important for you it is to distinguish between headings. The patch currently only lists headings on generally. Should there are still entries for the different levels, too?" I think no, enough a general list with containing all headings. Now right if I seeing only unnamed headings (for example vakbarat.index.hu, akadalymentes.sg.hu)? "The links are in the current list summarized below links and again classified separately under visited and unvisited links. The distinction makes sense in the structural navigation. Does it makes sense in the list, too?" This is not easy to answer. I think general list is better, but possible another users like this method. If need the distinction, perhaps better moving the unvisited and visited menu groups below the links submenu, before the paragraphs. An example webpage with demonstrate this is www.origo.hu/hirmondo. I see an interesting problem with links submenu related: If only one link have a mnemonics (for example only one link beginning with o letter), the link is not opening if I press the o key. "Same question for the form fields. Which are summarized below form fields, and again classified separately under the type." Better I think doing future a separate shortcut with doing filtered list for form field elements. For example, if the user need only check boxes, enough to press Orca+Ctrl+x. But if need distinguish form types this menu widget, need doing below the form fields submenu with a "form fields by type" submenu and put different form fields elements with this submenu. Demonstrate this problem with www.google.com webpage. In main menu level seeing a "buttons" submenu, "entries" submenu and a "form fields" submenu. Better order with top of main menu related: "form fields" (when the user pull down this menu, possible see all form fields) "form fields by type" (when the user pull down this menu, possible see form fields with a type ordered submenues). Treeview or new submenu widget? Both two method are interesting and some time useful. With treeview are big advantage to possible letter filtering, but if not fixed the treeview search related Orca bug, this possibility is not usable. I accept both two method. Attila From mwhapples@aim.com Wed Jan 26 15:26:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9A7075050E for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 15:26:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eFeGZ+9Yj3Rr for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 15:26:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (imr-mb01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.164]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 127547501CB for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 15:26:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mtaout-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.193]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p0QFPlR7032162; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 10:25:47 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (mwhapples.plus.com [80.229.137.216]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 541A6E0000D2; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 10:25:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4D403B7A.3060606@aim.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 15:19:22 +0000 From: Michael Whapples User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b10pre) Gecko/20110123 Thunderbird/3.3a2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marcus Habermehl References: <4D3761B2.5070507@yahoo.de> <4D37AA47.80808@gnome.org> <20110120043847.GB12357@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <20110120065137.GA24412@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> <4D398B3F.60105@yahoo.de> <20110121161003.GD633@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> <4D3ABB4B.2010103@aim.com> <4D3B3EDF.9080500@yahoo.de> <4D3D3909.7010300@aim.com> <4D40151F.1030708@yahoo.de> In-Reply-To: <4D40151F.1030708@yahoo.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:492791104:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c14d403cfa723f X-AOL-IP: 80.229.137.216 Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 15:26:14 -0000 Hello, You say you don't get the number of keypresses argument. Here goes: As I have stated in previous messages your list idea is certainly optional in use, I gave myself as an example of someone who never needs to use it and others also have said so, we can get around web pages perfectly fine with the previous/next element keys already existing. You mentioned flat review, which I have shown is needed, and so possibly deserves the space of the numpad as it currently occupies. Optional features generally I don't think should dominate the keyboard so much unless they have a strong reason. So you may ask why do the previous/next element keys in firefox dominate so much of the keyboard? While I don't know if this was the original reason, I would make the following argument, lets consider the impact on use if these were to be made second level keypresses (IE. two keypresses to get to the feature). If the previous/next element keys were made second level each navigation would go from one keypress to two, therefore doubling the keypresses! Now what is the impact of making list of headings, list of links, etc second level (eg. through a menu with submenus)? I would guess the aim of the list idea is to get you where you want in one go, therefore it is an action you would do once for a given navigation. Now how many keypresses might a navigation of this sort take on average, may be half a dozen, one to get the list, average of four to find the item and one to press enter on the item (correct me if you find from experience otherwise). So adding in one more keypress to make it second level, this impacts on the user with an increase of keypresses by one sixth. I think we can agree the impact on these users is significantly much less than in the previous/next element navigation. While you have made the case that the keyboard has many keys and we are unlikely to run out of combinations, I think you need to be reminded that keypresses should make some sort of sense and some combinations may just be difficult to do. We have already had an example where we have run out of keys which make sense, in the previous/next element navigation the keys generally mapped to the first letter of the element type, but combo box and check box both begin with c so check box had to become something else. Now to my comment that we are dealing with orca in gnome. My point here is that it doesn't matter what other screen reader users do, those screen readers have their own history for why certain things went certain ways and possibly have different target audiences. As an example to this, users of windows screen readers are more likely to include those users who just want to buy a computer and for things to work, where as Linux users are more likely to want to explore/modify/tweak there computer systems. I think a strong proposal for features for orca should be strong independent of what other screen readers do, so should not need reference to what other screen readers do and should deal with such questions like: Why might an orca user want it? How does it improve on what orca does at the moment? Michael Whapples From vilmar@informal.com.br Wed Jan 26 16:35:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C9B6750D61 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 16:35:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IGbFBp97fCHn for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 16:35:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay04.email.alog.com.br (relay04.email.alog.com.br [200.219.210.27]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FDD27508A8 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 16:34:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay03.email.alog.com.br (relay03.email.alog.com.br [10.0.3.3]) by relay04.email.alog.com.br (Alog-MTA-Corp) with ESMTP id B0DDD2EE076 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:31:41 -0200 (BRST) Received: from relay03.email.alog.com.br (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay03.email.alog.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9232538010A6 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:34:49 -0200 (BRST) Received: from [10.0.1.57] (zecolmeia.informal.com.br [200.152.107.32]) (Authenticated sender: vilmar@informal.com.br) by relay03.email.alog.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 384BA3800AA9 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:34:49 -0200 (BRST) Message-ID: <4D404D31.8070302@informal.com.br> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:34:57 -0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Vilmar_Est=E1cio_de_Souza?= Organization: Informal Informatica User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AV: Alog Antivirus OK Subject: [orca-list] is it possible contro orca behavior via a script X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: vilmar@informal.com.br List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 16:35:04 -0000 Hi all. Is it possible to send commands to orca via a script? I have a friend that would like turn speech of while some programs are executed and turn speech on after execution finish. He could stop orca using the -q option and start orca after the executions but he wouldn't like to hear the welcome message. Any suggestions? Thanks. From javier@tiflolinux.org Wed Jan 26 19:28:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8277A750103 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 19:28:08 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.801 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 49KSClHVn4-c for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 19:28:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from outbound-w15.bluehost.com (outbound-w15.bluehost.com [69.89.16.142]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5E9007500C5 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 19:27:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 1860 invoked by uid 0); 26 Jan 2011 19:27:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box447.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.247) by mrclean.bluehost.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2011 19:27:54 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=tiflolinux.org; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:X-Enigmail-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Identified-User; b=pbe3G2U97ygTSWl5rfznZ9jTgaRbg6ed5zULhPWlkUKk42/LrD+gHwSpaY0lRCWNpUPFC3OwvIO1FNBLCgtWlMi7iRQzQTCgpnsUjsZEmnyx+V8emcJYWl6SQYEEGJAm; Received: from [190.43.159.97] (helo=[192.168.0.23]) by box447.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PiB22-0001qw-EO for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 12:27:54 -0700 Message-ID: <4D4075B9.306@tiflolinux.org> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:27:53 -0500 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Francisco_Javier_Dorado_Mart=EDnez?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D404D31.8070302@informal.com.br> In-Reply-To: <4D404D31.8070302@informal.com.br> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {32996:box447.bluehost.com:asociac1:tiflolinux.org} {sentby:smtp auth 190.43.159.97 authed with javier+tiflolinux.org} Subject: Re: [orca-list] is it possible contro orca behavior via a script X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: javier@tiflolinux.org List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 19:28:08 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi José, all Perhaps what you are looking for is selfvoicing.py Orca's module. The idea of this module I think is to implement it those applications what are self voicing so don't need screen reader support. So if you use this module Orca won't process or speak/present anything. Another choice is to use orca + s command to stop speech. HTH Javier El 26/01/11 11:34, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza escribió: > Hi all. > Is it possible to send commands to orca via a script? > I have a friend that would like turn speech of while some programs are > executed and turn speech on after execution finish. > > He could stop orca using the -q option and start orca after the > executions but he wouldn't like to hear the welcome message. > Any suggestions? > Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk1AdbkACgkQhD1pS7YT9PrdJACgkZz5UXNw4nxfsIQ3paHw0/6c aC4AoITjScrc09HmgqrzrZaxpWneIF34 =BUSo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From luchyanus@gmail.com Thu Jan 27 00:15:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD2D875021D for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2011 00:15:50 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ap+SmXN2Qi+S for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2011 00:15:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A77E0750210 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2011 00:15:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwj21 with SMTP id 21so408748gwj.27 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 16:15:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=gu4vdlL0P0MvzgmlqeE2zmX7+6fPVHYrPJSX2tHJtEA=; b=psO55eYHBqxG/J/T4W/Oma79YFXVujtwBB0YdGt6ARAYBCBANxWl1COAF2Jl8+lo2k jOaWZiqCIBTRPOlp7SHRd5zhQWemo2jeoFpEmTjEQH/CNrUJmtpfJq409WQQF2DBtMuB e0YPsbg2qs/4HiES6z5PEk5FVoI1gBf+fdPbI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=MaaPuX697B8W5reRBEcMOWzTDK4VHQSQgFxIMkSnMMrxDKrIAsjluZthAp2w5pLeHL 5VWBqazNOV1tI2cSu8SzrIuKWDvBpWM/vo5DZ7IxloaFOTY1TJTCRGuzP48ZQPC9Dwl/ rgLtoHH/yiXavsgbUcgVeHG9iawqJKgEiUfbg= Received: by 10.100.4.11 with SMTP id 11mr81994and.52.1296087339029; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 16:15:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.202.81.8] ([189.1.143.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c30sm19658046anc.20.2011.01.26.16.15.36 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 26 Jan 2011 16:15:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D40B926.3090003@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 22:15:34 -0200 From: Luciano de Souza User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Removing one of two siblings Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 00:15:51 -0000 Hi all, With Ubuntu, Orca is distributed. Later, I have installed another Orca with apt-get. Today, visiting my home folder, I observed the existance of two Orca folders: .orca and .orca2. But which of then is running? In the terminal, I typed "orca -v" and the return is: ** (orca:2122): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype 'WnckWindowState' as enum when in fact it is of type 'GFlags' ** (orca:2122): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype 'WnckWindowActions' as enum when in fact it is of type 'GFlags' ** (orca:2122): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype 'WnckWindowMoveResizeMask' as enum when in fact it is of type 'GFlags' Orca 2.32.0 luciano@luciano-desktop:~$ What does this message mean? Who is running? Regarding I want to remain with only one Orca, what should I do to remove one of then? Should I simply remove /home/luciano/.orca or /home/luciano/.orca2? Best regards, -- Luciano de Souza From vilmar@informal.com.br Thu Jan 27 00:40:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95A6475002F for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2011 00:40:47 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5ItaM5e300nQ for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2011 00:40:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay04.email.alog.com.br (relay04.email.alog.com.br [200.219.210.27]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24A7275002C for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2011 00:40:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay01.email.alog.com.br (relay01.email.alog.com.br [10.0.3.1]) by relay04.email.alog.com.br (Alog-MTA-Corp) with ESMTP id 805582EE07C for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 22:37:24 -0200 (BRST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (unknown [187.15.213.16]) (Authenticated sender: vilmar@informal.com.br) by relay01.email.alog.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71611400B6E6 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 22:40:33 -0200 (BRST) Message-ID: <4D40BF01.2010305@informal.com.br> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 22:40:33 -0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?Sm9zw6kgVmlsbWFyIEVzdMOhY2lvIGRlIFNvdXph?= Organization: Informal Informatica User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D40B926.3090003@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4D40B926.3090003@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Removing one of two siblings Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: vilmar@informal.com.br List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 00:40:47 -0000 The .orca is a folder used by orca to store some configuration files. I don't know what is the .orca2 folder. Orca is not installed in your home folder On 01/26/2011 10:15 PM, Luciano de Souza wrote: > Hi all, > > With Ubuntu, Orca is distributed. Later, I have installed another Orca > with apt-get. Today, visiting my home folder, I observed the existance > of two Orca folders: .orca and .orca2. > > But which of then is running? In the terminal, I typed "orca -v" and > the return is: > > ** (orca:2122): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype 'WnckWindowState' > as enum when in fact it is of type 'GFlags' > > ** (orca:2122): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype > 'WnckWindowActions' as enum when in fact it is of type 'GFlags' > > ** (orca:2122): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype > 'WnckWindowMoveResizeMask' as enum when in fact it is of type 'GFlags' > Orca 2.32.0 > luciano@luciano-desktop:~$ > > What does this message mean? Who is running? > > Regarding I want to remain with only one Orca, what should I do to > remove one of then? Should I simply remove /home/luciano/.orca or > /home/luciano/.orca2? > > Best regards, > From mj@mjw.se Thu Jan 27 08:59:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A306D750072 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2011 08:59:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NayO6jVfWQBY for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2011 08:59:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 1454 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2011 08:59:32 UTC Received: from mjw.se (mjw.se [88.80.28.201]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B62CC75006B for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2011 08:59:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [85.226.22.124] (c-7c16e255.457-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se [85.226.22.124]) by mjw.se (vPostMaster) with ESMTP id BB1F6257781 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2011 09:35:00 +0100 (CET) From: mattias To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 09:35:02 +0100 Message-ID: <1296117302.2667.0.camel@debian> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.30.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] neospeech X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 08:59:35 -0000 can a private person buy neospeech? From hammera@pickup.hu Fri Jan 28 07:10:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9D3A750072 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 07:10:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UyTnnMKoVSRJ for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 07:10:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3AB775006C for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 07:10:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id 17CECE8314 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:48:55 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D426BC7.7030408@pickup.hu> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:09:59 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; hu; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] I doed a bugfix with shortcut spokening related X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 07:10:13 -0000 Hy, I opened following bugreport with accelerator and shortcut spokening related, hopefuly any attached fix is acceptable: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=640795 I doed a modification with src/orca/script_utilities.py file, and make two variant patch. The first patch using the "plus" marking translation word with accelerator modifier keys separation, this is happening too with mnemonic keys with have a modifier key, for example dialog controls. For example: Old Orca spokened output: "settings button Alt s" New output: "Settings button Alt plus s" The second variant not using marking translation, using separation with normal + character. Example output: "Settings button Alt + s" Please look and test any patch, hopefuly any fix is possible committing if my fix way is good. Note: Not better replacing the "Shift Control letter" acceleration order with "Control Shift letter" order? If better this form, I welcome doing this after I known possible committing my any fix variant or not, because the replacement method depending what final form will be accepted (must modifier separation word or character or not). I tested both two patch with acceleration haved menues and dialog controls for Orca preferences dialog. Attila From steve.holmes88@gmail.com Fri Jan 28 08:14:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B4E37500F0 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:14:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.137 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.137 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=1.553, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4XIaItbRGevh for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:14:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92FC07500BD for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:14:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyb26 with SMTP id 26so2464603iyb.27 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 00:14:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=jjbkD5pN+KtwPYPdqqOgOsPif+SsmUY4G0wYvClKCjk=; b=JbOc7AA0YqylZB7A3tQZZRXSzggBh9nJ0u2GNaSjOEQ/Nfwxju9wI1DzrELAZrdiLp 8oygryYnS8veFSBQTdkKIjIBcdRrVHDCPaIaZ8GzUs0g6l0u5Fo4+4qQC5LlLW80bEuk LDI6blzWIUrffXwHhLp7+qgWKiHE6t3vNDABE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=RzqDuIWQ4UyNrDSZl8BGVwFX/gZDl9UCD+buwzf9U2y4w59vsUxVvv+uM5Oc7CUT/H zV7jnMRVvNrB8PNq++xSN7Vg1aDjutBg4yfIjWn8I0fs2H/+MSpnt3fQgv3oD7n8Zy4E 44VQzyr7+mTWipa1oW55AJ8cb3l9N0aNna8K4= Received: by 10.42.172.136 with SMTP id n8mr56691icz.178.1296202450177; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 00:14:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (ip72-208-185-148.ph.ph.cox.net [72.208.185.148]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id jv9sm13123336icb.13.2011.01.28.00.14.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 28 Jan 2011 00:14:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D427ACD.1080809@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 01:14:05 -0700 From: Steve Holmes User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b10pre) Gecko/20110114 Thunderbird/3.3a2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D404D31.8070302@informal.com.br> In-Reply-To: <4D404D31.8070302@informal.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] is it possible contro orca behavior via a script X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:14:23 -0000 Like someone else said, the Orca+S key is your friend for the moment. Just toggle it off before starting the application in question and toggle it back on when through. I do this when I use gnome-mplayer all the time. On 01/26/2011 09:34 AM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: > Hi all. > Is it possible to send commands to orca via a script? > I have a friend that would like turn speech of while some programs are > executed and turn speech on after execution finish. > > He could stop orca using the -q option and start orca after the > executions but he wouldn't like to hear the welcome message. > Any suggestions? > Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From steve.holmes88@gmail.com Fri Jan 28 08:17:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA5447500BD for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:17:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.137 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.137 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=1.553, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qrzja66Laq-k for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:17:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04D3B7500F0 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:17:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyb26 with SMTP id 26so2466900iyb.27 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 00:17:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Sw3hblgU48W18F/LxnLNC57XEHEQMIigdx4N5io/zYQ=; b=hJSwvJ7035qc+db3klyGaCiiiUysUljfvSnbdHFxxa5NyLuH0fNjor5TAeJsuDrB9i vf18G0yjTOTZqDyKhNSSgMx9r7a6lvaRnuqXqJ4qmtN8ChJLTyHtgFYtVh0NfBRL2Qdq T0hnzngzTCRSIShPGY8LK0yuYy5+7ub3cQ7k4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=RGYPZdvff8Cy0HDpOz2zIJR/2PREhpYgi3SWXzA+IAZunsIGcow7MpmH7oGNhjBiox bUbeUbXh/sLnygpbsV0naNB5qMTGQJkwVyHbx/u3t12sobvOdFTQYWT1m/7Gvd1QywI+ ykY3ufqpQlm0NDB2dEoeNsHzrh0a5dysWGbN0= Received: by 10.42.166.4 with SMTP id m4mr1856484icy.42.1296202657545; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 00:17:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (ip72-208-185-148.ph.ph.cox.net [72.208.185.148]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g4sm12176280ick.11.2011.01.28.00.17.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 28 Jan 2011 00:17:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D427B9D.5010706@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 01:17:33 -0700 From: Steve Holmes User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b10pre) Gecko/20110114 Thunderbird/3.3a2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D40B926.3090003@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4D40B926.3090003@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Removing one of two siblings Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:17:49 -0000 Actually, I thought all orca settings went in .local/share/orca now days. I forget how far back this change goes in case Ubuntu production is using something older perhaps. On 01/26/2011 05:15 PM, Luciano de Souza wrote: > Hi all, > > With Ubuntu, Orca is distributed. Later, I have installed another Orca > with apt-get. Today, visiting my home folder, I observed the existance > of two Orca folders: .orca and .orca2. > > But which of then is running? In the terminal, I typed "orca -v" and > the return is: > > ** (orca:2122): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype 'WnckWindowState' > as enum when in fact it is of type 'GFlags' > > ** (orca:2122): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype > 'WnckWindowActions' as enum when in fact it is of type 'GFlags' > > ** (orca:2122): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype > 'WnckWindowMoveResizeMask' as enum when in fact it is of type 'GFlags' > Orca 2.32.0 > luciano@luciano-desktop:~$ > > What does this message mean? Who is running? > > Regarding I want to remain with only one Orca, what should I do to > remove one of then? Should I simply remove /home/luciano/.orca or > /home/luciano/.orca2? > > Best regards, > From hammera@pickup.hu Fri Jan 28 08:27:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1D927500F0 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:27:02 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DFXCXxULwtby for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:27:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14B627500BD for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:26:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id A92B8E8371 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 10:05:44 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D427DC9.4030306@pickup.hu> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 09:26:49 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; hu; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D426BC7.7030408@pickup.hu> In-Reply-To: <4D426BC7.7030408@pickup.hu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] I doed a bugfix with shortcut spokening related X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:27:03 -0000 Hy, I have got few ydea with this fix related if more people only partialy acceptable this modifications: 1. This new modifyer separation is happening only if the verbosity setting is verbose, if the setting is brief, keeping now used format. This is simplest method. 2. Or possible better doing a new setting to handle this mode independent the verbosity setting. If this setting is true, this new modifyed format are used, if not, original format are spokened, this is resulting both two format are awailable with all verbosity setting. Depending how many people want the old format and new format default determining the setting default value. If this is the final method, future need doing a checkbox with have below the speak object mnemonics check box to toggle this mode on/off, but this is not happening I think this cicle. If this modification is more people general not acceptable, independent this new ydeas, not matter and Joanie closing this bug with wontfix status, this is full fair. Thank you the openions, Attila From vilmar@informal.com.br Fri Jan 28 08:58:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15BF5750138 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:58:02 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c0MDejFZ5GZG for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:57:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay04.email.alog.com.br (relay04.email.alog.com.br [200.219.210.27]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A509750122 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:57:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay01.email.alog.com.br (relay01.email.alog.com.br [10.0.3.1]) by relay04.email.alog.com.br (Alog-MTA-Corp) with ESMTP id 5BCDC2EE06E for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 06:54:32 -0200 (BRST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (unknown [187.15.213.16]) (Authenticated sender: vilmar@informal.com.br) by relay01.email.alog.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7981C400B5C8 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 06:57:47 -0200 (BRST) Message-ID: <4D42850A.6090208@informal.com.br> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 06:57:46 -0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Vilmar_Est=E1cio_de_Souza?= Organization: Informal Informatica User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D404D31.8070302@informal.com.br> <4D4075B9.306@tiflolinux.org> In-Reply-To: <4D4075B9.306@tiflolinux.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] is it possible contro orca behavior via a script X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: vilmar@informal.com.br List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:58:02 -0000 Hi. Probably I am doing something wrong. When I try to execute orca + s, two instances of orca are activated. Thanks. On 01/26/2011 05:27 PM, Francisco Javier Dorado Martínez wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi José, all > Perhaps what you are looking for is selfvoicing.py Orca's module. > The idea of this module I think is to implement it those applications > what are self voicing so don't need screen reader support. > So if you use this module Orca won't process or speak/present anything. > > Another choice is to use orca + s command to stop speech. > > HTH > > Javier > > El 26/01/11 11:34, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza escribió: >> Hi all. >> Is it possible to send commands to orca via a script? >> I have a friend that would like turn speech of while some programs are >> executed and turn speech on after execution finish. >> >> He could stop orca using the -q option and start orca after the >> executions but he wouldn't like to hear the welcome message. >> Any suggestions? >> Thanks. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iEYEARECAAYFAk1AdbkACgkQhD1pS7YT9PrdJACgkZz5UXNw4nxfsIQ3paHw0/6c > aC4AoITjScrc09HmgqrzrZaxpWneIF34 > =BUSo > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From mj@mjw.se Fri Jan 28 12:45:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71DEF75028B for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 12:45:43 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.79 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.79 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kXjAymicmcwQ for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 12:45:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mjw.se (mjw.se [88.80.28.201]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D5B9750288 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 12:45:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mj (c-7c16e255.457-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se [85.226.22.124]) by mjw.se (vPostMaster) with ESMTP id 781C13E0420 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 13:45:26 +0100 (CET) From: "mattias" To: Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 13:45:27 +0100 Message-ID: <23DA874564A14A2CB571F5268230578D@mj> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acu+6TzrvOAya2twSpGdsoJrJgyztQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: [orca-list] loquendo X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 12:45:43 -0000 Anyone no if i can buy loquendo as private persion? From marionpeter@gmx.net Fri Jan 28 13:45:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7B78750254 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 13:45:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E3S34QzFlPlg for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 13:45:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9F300750214 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 13:45:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 28 Jan 2011 13:45:01 -0000 Received: from wrzb-5f759944.pool.mediaWays.net (EHLO [95.117.153.68]) [95.117.153.68] by mail.gmx.net (mp050) with SMTP; 28 Jan 2011 14:45:01 +0100 X-Authenticated: #15007090 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/Ji5Y2oB3Jp+Tt+/OOLMnFfVNjmz6vmcFiYsk1AW RdYUWN238AUNTT Message-ID: <4D42C7DA.5060404@gmx.net> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 14:42:50 +0100 From: Marion Peterreins User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org, ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: [orca-list] BRLTTY does not start automatically since upgrade of my system X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 13:45:14 -0000 Hi all, Since I've upgraded my system brltty does not start automatically. What can I do to make it start automatically again? Ubuntu 10.4 Orca 2.30.2 Thanks in advance, Marion! From trev.saunders@gmail.com Fri Jan 28 14:12:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A49CE750298 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 14:12:18 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.623 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.623 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_NV=0.077] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oat0Lcp8aiW3 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 14:12:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BFD975038E for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 14:12:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws9 with SMTP id 9so1112346vws.27 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 06:12:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=74dxu+bPUb3oYvB9g2p9R1v0E/nCUW5t2d9GY2S0KHY=; b=DrRH66gksbyMBYsesIdovHrqjjyVKDbyy8sK6VvhbYDJsVi5GFtCUSiKNk+A69Loqs 2ZoW1yASHBXq+mVhCN/uLLnHRU3zDz38HUFW2YqMTdUPnXEzQzXW2X3ya3aGf6YasIu3 TwBhNKqjDgZ1RlJ/7gJxu9DTUYXmw4YfgEpvE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=LiKfiq3uD0lUCdisXRgzxuoJxj/ZHSMzf8bDNp7C9obmDb9ZI36IEjmQFnLD8NQxMH DolNz9FXBndcDnooCPsI7bep9ohG/2kRBO/d3ZUx8GDH5ShtiP+MNx/KbBGWp7MMg2co 2//gw44chF+zFqmC3yY7cayN1Rtf6Jq188ViI= Received: by 10.220.175.130 with SMTP id ba2mr626770vcb.24.1296223923655; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 06:12:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from football.tbsaunde.org (TREVTOP2W.WV.CC.CMU.EDU [128.237.239.204]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c15sm6052241vcs.31.2011.01.28.06.12.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 28 Jan 2011 06:12:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 09:10:41 -0500 From: Trevor Saunders To: orca Message-ID: <20110128141041.GA25832@football.tbsaunde.org> References: <20110125082948.GA15634@football.tbsaunde.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110125082948.GA15634@football.tbsaunde.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: [orca-list] (RFC) speaking position in XUL menus X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 14:12:18 -0000 --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I'm stil looking for commentshere. I'm particularly interested in why people want to here position in a menu. Trev On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 03:29:48AM -0500, Trevor Saunders wrote: > Hey, >=20 > So while working on https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D634642 > I've run in to n issue with the way we present the position in a menu. > Originally We would look at all the children of the items parent and try > to gues what the correct position was. We have to gues, because the > menu contains spacer objects that people don't really want counted. The > problem with this that we often get it wrong in the bug Attila provided > the example of the message list in thunderbird, I noticed the edit menu > in firefox. When I started using attributes (posinset and setsize) mozi= lla gives us to fix > the mentioned bug we started using the attributes to figure out where we > are in a menu too. That would be fine accept Mozilla menus seem to have > a concept of groups of options (I'm not sure of the technical term that > applies) for example in the file menu print and print preview are a > group, and the options related to opening pages tabs and closing pages > and tabs are another group. The attributes we ue to get our position in > the list are based on the "item groups" so for the first six items in > the file menu you see position x of 6 then if you keep going down to the > next group you see y of 3 etc. I'm not sure if there is a reason these > attributes work this way or not, or if they could be changed to reflect > the number of selecttable items in the menu which I believe is the > number people want here. > https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Accessibility/AT-APIs/Gecko/Attrs#Group_= Attributes > makes it seem like these attributes are doing what they should, but the > definition of a "group" isn't very clear, so perhaps the menu could be > considered the "group". I'll probably see what Mozilla people think > about this, but in the mean time this is the way the world will almost > certianly be through firefox 4 and xulrunner 2.0. >=20 > The following is a discussion I had with Jamie one of the nvda > developers about what they do with this situation. > < tbsaunde> fer: now we have the problem in orca that people want the > total number of things in the menu not just that part > < Jamie> tbsaunde: that is a huge can of worms > < Jamie> tbsaunde: technically, that should include separators, but > people never want those > < Jamie> we've had this argument with NVDA users before :) > <@fer> Jamie: I only tested it closed > < tbsaunde> Jamie: yup, I know, orca used to get the parent, then look > through all the children, but that's very slow for say a thunderbird > message box, so we > want to use the attributes, but the easiest way to do that > results in using them for menus too > < tbsaunde> Jamie: what did nvda do? > < Jamie> fer: ok, but when it's closed, there are two > objects in question: the select itself and the options > < Jamie> fer: I assume you're asking me about the options > <@fer> Jamie: yes > < Jamie> tbsaunde: we use the position info from the API, > which in your case is the attributes > < Jamie> tbsaunde: we used to use the child count provided > by MSAA< but that included separators which irritated users > < tbsaunde> Jamie: ok, what is it in windows, I'm curious > and don't know anything about how things work there > < Jamie> so we ended up just taking it out and not including > item counts at all unless the API provided accurate counts > < Jamie> then, of course, people whinged, so we put in an > option to "Guess object position information when > unavailable" > < Jamie> disabled by default >=20 > So, I can see a couple reasonable solutions to this. > - we can go back to the old guesing algorithm for menus, which isn't > hard, but its often broken. >=20 > - we can present the information that the posinset and setsize > attributes give us, and you will have the position in a group, but > not exactly the menu. >=20 > - we can just stop trying to speak position in menus, or add more > options to explicitly trun it on to either of the methods > mentioned before. I'm not very clear on what benefits this would > have over the solutions mentioned before, but its not really clear > why you would want to know the position in a menu either. >=20 > - we could do something else, that I haven't thought of if someone has a > different idea. >=20 > Trev >=20 --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNQs5hAAoJEBfSn9LueXXX4k0QAKtTxcKGKDgmF2r1SWNPmIZL qGIIYBxNwGZzTo9+ikemuEs4oWYhnG9g4Ghe83hWuQSQRyjVDCs38KPEMd0n8IPE 2uEDPBuOMTF0G9QSMzeyadheaGn0ZcQjCHJbWp99z3zPqgfGEGb4W7YU+KirzNYj 666ncBYvkT9eUzvJCuxEECsPlKpQ6R6p5+jA/NZF7rUSbjz44MycVo7TEScKbGPN p6FxAs2dyaDPLTWDP/Mr//L0eoVqmnHf8tIsNN3YQMqkAGH2u2z23UershZ4Ah4K ns/+zKcqs9Rh4Nu1CIayG7e/rFQ1NR+t3Az04sffSOZvlSXRF08hOnG561bB8Wim jq7mHz4oxymvwJmzXYfAl9d5jt2syGZ1hehcMADHmPR1cqRjvCCgskV6pNbDndez O5eDUhuaK0sjH5nmj0Q2RqX6bzh4eyx+hxlIv7NvA9eooCNVgvj3yuH1DP84G/ei ldO9MUWzErQ2MfFFd+134kLxwfdO9CJvUd9xVX6lUlA1/6uvBG4pY2ED3lsHA65V HsQuuoWfC6SLgTIpVrOprTFsCRjpOd0oOSq0GuZlxMU3pKXnBJ4tYd3/OSwhyOB8 v8P6IvnllAVxzpa2dXnN64WFox2JS/7RSXILVBiUp2QiIpA/ezzyUHL22A07yulz gBasARxJN/09/cfIHGwu =p35t -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q-- From hammera@pickup.hu Fri Jan 28 15:07:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B49A575023C for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 15:07:19 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zdL9GK3eTEWE for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 15:07:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 484737502C5 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 15:07:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id 365EFE85F3 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 16:46:00 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D42DB99.9080304@pickup.hu> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 16:07:05 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; hu; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110125082948.GA15634@football.tbsaunde.org> <20110128141041.GA25832@football.tbsaunde.org> In-Reply-To: <20110128141041.GA25832@football.tbsaunde.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] (RFC) speaking position in XUL menus X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 15:07:19 -0000 Hy, Trev, possible this is subjective, but for example I like known how many menu item have a main menu, and what the actual position if I not known an application or using a new application for first time. Or, if I opened a main menu with a new application, easy to see how many main menu have the menu bar when I moning the menu bar without need pressing any extra command. I no, where am I spokening this, but if this is possible automatic way, this is better I think if the speak child position checkbox is checked, similar with another objects (combo boxes, radio buttons, etc). When I doed position index spokening feature (I think before Orca 2.28 release), I put the positioninList with menu related objects in src/orca/formatting.py file, and Willie is accepted this before committed the final implementation. Joanie, what your openion: need removing position index spokening for menu objects? For beginner users I think this possibility is useful for example if not known yet detailed Orca commands, because known for example the GNOME applications menu how many menu items hawe the applications menu, and what the actual position in the menu with an automatic way. Attila From albert.e.sten_clanton@verizon.net Fri Jan 28 16:31:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A45D27502A2 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 16:31:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RFC_ABUSE_POST=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qUNAUsXbKMm7 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 16:31:54 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 3623 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 16:31:54 UTC Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 797FF750298 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 16:31:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ownercb76d9f6c ([unknown] [96.233.21.203]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0LFQ00AVSOFS7Y0P@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 09:31:05 -0600 (CST) From: "Albert Sten-Clanton" To: "'Steve Holmes'" , References: <4D404D31.8070302@informal.com.br> <4D427ACD.1080809@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 10:31:02 -0500 Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-index: Acu+w2ATpevD4rGPQPq676Mi+xJZ4AAPJUbQ In-reply-to: <4D427ACD.1080809@gmail.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Subject: Re: [orca-list] is it possible contro orca behavior via a script X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 16:31:57 -0000 Steve, you actually can have Orca speak when you're using gnome-mplayer? When I kick it in to hear a streaming radio show, Orca's gone as soon as = the show comes on my computer. Sas this happens when I use my normal, Arch desktop, but not when I use the Vinux CD, I wondered if there was some = quirk in the relevant Arch package(s). Thanks for any help. Al=20 -----Original Message----- From: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] = On Behalf Of Steve Holmes Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 3:14 AM To: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] is it possible contro orca behavior via a = script Like someone else said, the Orca+S key is your friend for the moment. =20 Just toggle it off before starting the application in question and = toggle it back on when through. I do this when I use gnome-mplayer all the time. On 01/26/2011 09:34 AM, Jos=E9 Vilmar Est=E1cio de Souza wrote: > Hi all. > Is it possible to send commands to orca via a script? > I have a friend that would like turn speech of while some programs are = > executed and turn speech on after execution finish. > > He could stop orca using the -q option and start orca after the=20 > executions but he wouldn't like to hear the welcome message. > Any suggestions? > Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelin > es Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out = > how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how = to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From hammet.pb@seznam.cz Sat Jan 29 09:17:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CC2175009D for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 09:17:49 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.11 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.11 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bymAAVRVafrz for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 09:17:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-out3.iol.cz (smtp-out3.iol.cz [194.228.2.91]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0500975008A for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 09:17:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from antivir5.iol.cz (unknown [192.168.30.212]) by smtp-out3.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4859DBC810F for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 09:17:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (antivir5.iol.cz [127.0.0.1]) by antivir5.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 303B61E8033 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 10:17:35 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at iol.cz Received: from antivir5.iol.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (antivir5.iol.cz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10224) with LMTP id a8sdhRkvx07u for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 10:17:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from port8.iol.cz (unknown [192.168.30.90]) by antivir5.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 103A01E8031 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 10:17:35 +0100 (CET) X-SBRS: None X-SBRS-none: None X-RECVLIST: MTA-OUT-IOL X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: As8LABdqQ01OZrbx/2dsb2JhbAAMhQKRV8oJhU4EjCE Received: from ip-78-102-182-241.net.upcbroadband.cz (HELO [192.168.1.3]) ([78.102.182.241]) by port8.iol.cz with ESMTP; 29 Jan 2011 10:17:34 +0100 Message-ID: <4D43DB2E.8050003@seznam.cz> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 10:17:34 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Petr_Bl=E1ha?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; cs; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] TV tuner under the Ubuntu linux X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 09:17:49 -0000 Hi list, i have bought the Aver TV hybrid volar HX TV card and want to run it under the ubuntu Linux. Can you tell me which program works with this tuner and is accessible wit horca? I would rather prefer some program with gui. I have found Mythtv and Kaffeine, but these are QT based so unaccessible with orca. Is there any accessible alternative? Thank you for your help. From panda84@inwind.it Sat Jan 29 17:00:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A49975009D for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 17:00:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.336 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.336 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=1.553, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RFC_ABUSE_POST=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ayPo2keDQTuS for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 17:00:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 366 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 17:00:48 UTC Received: from jack.mail.tiscali.it (jack.mail.tiscali.it [213.205.33.53]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 600D5750085 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 17:00:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.10.5.98] (84.223.126.96) by jack.mail.tiscali.it (8.5.124) id 4D08E65C01C81FC6 for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 17:54:31 +0100 Message-ID: <4D444626.2020603@inwind.it> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 17:53:58 +0100 From: Diego User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101230 Lanikai/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Donation X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 17:00:51 -0000 Hello everybody! I'm here on behalf of an Italian Linux User Group: MontelLUG. http://www.montellug.it/modules/news/ We'd like to donate a small amount to help the Orca screen reader project. Is anybody in charge of receiving donations for Orca? Should we just donate to the Gnome Foundation and ask for the money to be used for Orca? http://www.gnome.org/friends/ Regards, Diego From joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Sat Jan 29 19:14:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ADA47500AF for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:14:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id twvG1VCNKIh8 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:14:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F75F750095 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:14:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwj9 with SMTP id 9so4451021qwj.27 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 11:14:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent :mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=6V/axLnpOmJLYxNX27Vh4xv0rbd8c1c+rCbLxRz3kN8=; b=pAyzpXSi1ux5Llra/iaFWpjuJBKLqRhW5VwIW6iCojhAkc37jx3ZLmiY7v1LSz0p85 w5YjoiYbphRT0qwho5OSi2RYAkwRSuiXJuW/1ohdQmK3gLnvMUzfpkLXuXoCPl1eGanJ DuDi/HhG+tXVz4DZvIS9G19w5hNHk29AmiVG8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=hOPFEfrBoMdfM+Zf93cFq3o5FTPVZLn5+yej7tJ17lemLvKERqYPFT3YWhidXj1pUG Z1wSsQKpql/P7MTDW38soXtLPVwQ/eVR5mESko5yH0faKFP3m1LaFdwKfkmvSPlrrX6Y L8dtXuaucMgLPzBh0esXnYbE99aIQF4DTHBgY= Received: by 10.229.219.136 with SMTP id hu8mr4090456qcb.249.1296328482020; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 11:14:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.35.105] (c-98-217-239-60.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [98.217.239.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l12sm13587508qcu.43.2011.01.29.11.14.40 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 29 Jan 2011 11:14:40 -0800 (PST) Sender: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <4D44671F.5000006@gnome.org> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 14:14:39 -0500 From: Joanmarie Diggs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b11pre) Gecko/20110127 Thunderbird/3.3a3pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Diego References: <4D444626.2020603@inwind.it> In-Reply-To: <4D444626.2020603@inwind.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Donation X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: joanied@gnome.org List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:14:56 -0000 Hi Diego. > I'm here on behalf of an Italian Linux User Group: MontelLUG. > http://www.montellug.it/modules/news/ > We'd like to donate a small amount to help the Orca screen reader > project. That's awesome, and much appreciated. Thanks!! > Should we just donate to the Gnome Foundation and ask for the money to > be used for Orca? > http://www.gnome.org/friends/ At the moment, this is the best thing to do, yes. Thanks again! Take care. --joanie From suserocks@bryen.com Sat Jan 29 19:20:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B085875009D for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:20:19 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RXr9xaMeyOB0 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:20:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yi0-f54.google.com (mail-yi0-f54.google.com [209.85.218.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24612750095 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:20:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yie19 with SMTP id 19so1577518yie.27 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 11:20:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.103.180 with SMTP id f40mr8767125yhg.0.1296328806957; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 11:20:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.2.10.175] (c-24-12-98-169.hsd1.il.comcast.net [24.12.98.169]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n63sm3435382yha.20.2011.01.29.11.20.05 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 29 Jan 2011 11:20:05 -0800 (PST) From: "Bryen M. Yunashko" To: orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <4D44671F.5000006@gnome.org> References: <4D444626.2020603@inwind.it> <4D44671F.5000006@gnome.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 13:20:03 -0600 Message-ID: <1296328803.24227.1.camel@linux-vpc2.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.30.1.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Donation X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: suserocks@bryen.com List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:20:19 -0000 On Sat, 2011-01-29 at 14:14 -0500, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > Hi Diego. > > > I'm here on behalf of an Italian Linux User Group: MontelLUG. > > http://www.montellug.it/modules/news/ > > We'd like to donate a small amount to help the Orca screen reader > > project. > > That's awesome, and much appreciated. Thanks!! > > > Should we just donate to the Gnome Foundation and ask for the money to > > be used for Orca? > > http://www.gnome.org/friends/ > > At the moment, this is the best thing to do, yes. > > Thanks again! Take care. > --joanie There is a paypal account that was set up not too long ago to collect donations for GNOME Accessibility. You can indicate in the comment field to direct the donation to a specific GNOME-A11y item, such as ORCA. To make a donation, send to Paypal via a11y-donations@gnome.org Thanks, Bryen M Yunashko From joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Sat Jan 29 19:37:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF36375009D for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:37:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.59 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.59 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AaPli-emfn4y for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:37:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1C3F750095 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:37:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwj9 with SMTP id 9so4459994qwj.27 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 11:37:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent :mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=3PiQawEXFHJocAklv+0zR9pTgBIVsm9u6N2l/UA/LYM=; b=SOcF+P2bkhmAsJtkFzyslfljHF8q8+V33tnd1ZcZ5EXag+WnZh8Tsct3vpkOttoIax cKCu/wIDv+QT1HlE2erCoN4tvfUicKGur9yssKwHb0ZAKOmV8iyz00vyZW9niR7Ig85s IgaxrsKW+XMf/y9jAid1gHpQbZTXu+lQHP0e0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=lJqcrMuVlZ6J+jQNbNmlGGAMU3K6xOadwMgQPdCTYdD4WYdhYgK21u3xRl0EzroIlK bgEKFPeOQ+C2LFxzagdRRGt474pbguamR5Z59rBKv/GVCeP6o1RGDoXMaWCx5aw7HmdY S8uBXJmZ7R6of41vs6Q418eOuAaEtMvYpDqAU= Received: by 10.224.67.194 with SMTP id s2mr4374855qai.387.1296329830431; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 11:37:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.35.105] (c-98-217-239-60.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [98.217.239.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w12sm12466136qco.20.2011.01.29.11.37.09 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 29 Jan 2011 11:37:09 -0800 (PST) Sender: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <4D446C64.6080903@gnome.org> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 14:37:08 -0500 From: Joanmarie Diggs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b11pre) Gecko/20110127 Thunderbird/3.3a3pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: suserocks@bryen.com References: <4D444626.2020603@inwind.it> <4D44671F.5000006@gnome.org> <1296328803.24227.1.camel@linux-vpc2.site> In-Reply-To: <1296328803.24227.1.camel@linux-vpc2.site> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Donation X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: joanied@gnome.org List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:37:37 -0000 Hi Bryen. Is this a11y-donations account clearly stated in all of the donation-related content? If not, is this something that the marketing team could address? Otherwise you and your team will be forever correcting silly project leads like me. ;-) Thanks in advance! --joanie On 01/29/2011 02:20 PM, Bryen M. Yunashko wrote: > On Sat, 2011-01-29 at 14:14 -0500, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >> Hi Diego. >> >>> I'm here on behalf of an Italian Linux User Group: MontelLUG. >>> http://www.montellug.it/modules/news/ >>> We'd like to donate a small amount to help the Orca screen reader >>> project. >> >> That's awesome, and much appreciated. Thanks!! >> >>> Should we just donate to the Gnome Foundation and ask for the money to >>> be used for Orca? >>> http://www.gnome.org/friends/ >> >> At the moment, this is the best thing to do, yes. >> >> Thanks again! Take care. >> --joanie > > There is a paypal account that was set up not too long ago to collect > donations for GNOME Accessibility. You can indicate in the comment > field to direct the donation to a specific GNOME-A11y item, such as > ORCA. > > To make a donation, send to Paypal via a11y-donations@gnome.org > > Thanks, > Bryen M Yunashko > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From w0jrl1@gmail.com Sun Jan 30 06:16:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DA4D7500C0 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 06:16:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.137 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.137 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=1.553, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lpHx1JBYJtjF for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 06:16:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAD06750060 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 06:16:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxh35 with SMTP id 35so1693191yxh.27 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 22:16:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Lu6co45fp66fy5lCPCmQsJx/n1/XlS48qGQqiQZUfpA=; b=IsKM/JL0p5SUA503jHXcwhMjy5Z2CYH7uTNYOCM0GlcnQVZaOXS8jzReuZXvdHoqP5 crxXCy+PAubaJgtdl3HAsiF/vIH3qayDIIy5Inbh6imobj9NWRLRA3Pd974BY3QGQMxG wr3Kjbj8yt08EaSZQPT88MdLjx6GMDGf0FyLU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=DW7lPsHxe77SIDB9+hoQGcWxa22Y4NHd7jjKd3uNb+4qguceCKOP2cu+6TBHZ6NHc2 yRxl89Z3vA+LscAGae2jmhr0r0hfBjlxb58S3SERduBHVNuUgRsYNEDPqnpk02MRXdit B/teUe5+VFqNC5UaxmyUe101NmFLYzQOMdRjY= Received: by 10.236.105.240 with SMTP id k76mr9381067yhg.96.1296368163804; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 22:16:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.213.1.100] (173-14-3-141-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.14.3.141]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j43sm3736750yha.41.2011.01.29.22.16.01 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 29 Jan 2011 22:16:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D45021F.6070209@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 23:15:59 -0700 From: Jeremy Lincicome User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Safely upgrade Ubuntu? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 06:16:16 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi. Those who upgraded to Ubuntu Natty, how did you do it with Orca? Did you shell in from another box and run sudo do-release -upgrade -d? I am asking because the last time I tried to upgrade, espeak switched to another language half way through. Thanks, Jeremy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNRQH6AAoJECVrjD5tazaj1TgIAL7sYNZy+o5E9AuG6GWXeL4P XUSYraT4/FrmI8NDxAdfKx9dhty5549Sui1FDIpHO/shbZgpZf5eJ1mUwIyrLpAZ IeBF09Xn+YVoouiZZ81C902rthVcitrlrQLFMjLKncWL+E3xIaSnJfdeOi8Bqcuh sRwzSlCoIo4YnkCNGhmKTJutvOaH9d8XlKV1tfhWHdAzhuUZ7eZlOKCLkF54Wx91 +wwcGSJtZKvf0P23P7A20z2kOfVR7HGzyH4sjV+C0EvRnPD9J9Nt44vpwiJNG9KY EIQtNlN1Ma3zJTIgcA4w/u7eRBefNA7dOEskXoI8psZp5PiJTLZAEvYWJ0duMWY= =DsJk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ag82lca@leseguenni.de Sun Jan 30 08:06:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5E5E75009D for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:06:31 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EDotPrbUANBs for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:06:29 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 1977 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:06:29 UTC Received: from vs120127.tuxtools.net (vs120127.tuxtools.net [195.42.120.127]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F269750060 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:06:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [139.18.188.44] (a188044.studnetz.uni-leipzig.de [139.18.188.44]) by vs120127.tuxtools.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB6A1BEF02FE for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:33:21 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D451441.8040508@leseguenni.de> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:33:21 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Anne_G=FCnther?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; de; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Problems to get orca started after booting the system X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: ag82lca@leseguenni.de List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:06:32 -0000 Hi listers I'm not sure if this is a known bug, or just some nonsense my computer is up to. So here goes: After starting my system Orca starts normally with the welcome message. Unfortunately it doesn't really "hook" onto the system afterwards for about twenty seconds or so The keys I press are spoken while the message ist displayed on the braille display. Then it stops and the braille displays showes "screen not in text mode" Most times I have to restart orca two or three times to get it really running, but occassionally it takes twelve or more tries. I tried to test if it makes a difference if I didn't let orca start automatically with the system. It doesn't. Any ideas? Guenni From webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl Sun Jan 30 08:11:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B860975009D for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:11:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RFC_ABUSE_POST=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lRwKsa2uli1O for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:11:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpo09.poczta.onet.pl (smtpo09.poczta.onet.pl [213.180.142.140]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CAC0750060 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:10:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cujo (unknown [193.200.46.16]) (Authenticated sender: webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl) by smtp.poczta.onet.pl (Onet) with ESMTPA id 219C4200769A3 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 09:10:52 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:56:36 +0100 From: Michal Zegan To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110130075636.GA5253@cujo> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="fUYQa+Pmc3FrFX/N" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: [orca-list] orca/gnome3 shell X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:11:07 -0000 --fUYQa+Pmc3FrFX/N Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hey. How good orca is now when it comes to gnome-shell navigation? --fUYQa+Pmc3FrFX/N Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAABAgAGBQJNRRm0AAoJEIm05B02l8E6u6UQAJl0zvzhQILyRGZoZl8lDENu fXJSAvEeixQFVY/b6QAFxegI1A/HLrzPsH43P+KFVW2MrMa8++FJMQRPSxZdrYyo M9QERGIkd3OgG2i/M+sKxoG4llT5eXYxuI9IT+WhInhJBueyu+R13ckzQ252DoSX 5stOvJKRn96BlaAjupQzLR/dLqpD8RMtE7r49FssPCvMUFfm2IAYENNeh53AQD8h WDj/2w4cIOc9z8P4dE5Z0TI1alEEYNv8vcWtwhqcFBRY6wHb6uH04d+VE/VccIze L/yOxJXz+OdrZXnUDa2wAQf6lbEMEB6RIeqRlFuaHuM9K9ZA3XZf2kqAMkqXH2yz zxP1gEs2aBaiEWbFIj576gZHBcEEeHWTOQ5QkhDURPEa50TtW6felpx+c1UecMhS HiuncuFXuzKm/ZFVwy3WHs9CaL63WNmRlOWiCSJZpMJ7pTqqK22SkMB4SYcAIbxL 9BNtQsDHLfk/y+OGJA8e8GjsNn+0TuejxPUcEaGKISMCGwJ0EQDJRSEXkAdZkUgM Ud3vD0g5A5i/oQqjH3rkOln+c7dnfExQJN391qOz2u5HN5WiLP+oWRwQ8ocOiBh9 tqbVinzPqENZyeBKSOyNvJrLr12aQAKMHLVMAiBPQQm1HLJQ4HkBBJX67lygGXkL r1hA2nA4+oCYA/NEza5O =tNBX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --fUYQa+Pmc3FrFX/N-- From steve.holmes88@gmail.com Sun Jan 30 16:11:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B32C8750120 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 16:11:55 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.137 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.137 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=1.553, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X3Pnuvjtj8oW for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 16:11:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-px0-f182.google.com (mail-px0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE8B2750102 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 16:11:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pxi1 with SMTP id 1so858262pxi.27 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:11:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=AVjf2c5xETZmttpmyU9URdLvwX7cJohSuL2z2KjVnuA=; b=CN4HWQgmS/tHZrl6OXlBmjvvkDFnIdlA7tWKh1CBbFaVcNYLcNAShrUzOp+VFu+oaz qF1yGFIOuOcpeDia5eSQmDDAyyUhhOLzEmM5txvDOUXSgsDTE2NWsc5ffmiF8WN7LoGj WWEh2n/JpPAAnfhkfnqoPMBSCM+3E4pLmtwNg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=H/9BSNSa0UXvYS4symBpCIOw62ZAaCQT6ha15WmzqDWriYFxqsnW0FsvvG9apEvn/B i5BRYCDryR7CNouZN+JEFj8HIq3D+BptRpl2OSzqjXvKYgUK2ZHRy+5z9SbZ+OUsxpUJ lXX+KKmeveoO+D+m14YKAMn6PWkZ35VUZItCY= Received: by 10.142.154.5 with SMTP id b5mr5121028wfe.125.1296403902246; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:11:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from lnx3.holmesgrown.com (ip72-208-185-148.ph.ph.cox.net [72.208.185.148]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v19sm26871158wfh.12.2011.01.30.08.11.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:11:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 09:11:37 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110130161137.GB13564@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D404D31.8070302@informal.com.br> <4D427ACD.1080809@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] is it possible contro orca behavior via a script X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 16:11:56 -0000 Well, I like to mute Orca while using gnome-mplayer because sometimes if and when you start seeking around in a track, Orca begins speaking stuff from the status bar and then won't shut up because the status bar is constantly changing so I just routinely turn off speech when starting gnome-mplayer and turn it back on when finished. It just works better all around that way. I haven't had any blow-ups for a very long time this way. Gnome-mplayer is a funny interface here. The normal mplayer commands work even though you're in a gnome interface. You can still pop up the menus though and then you would need Orca to speak of course. But I just make sure to force speech silent while playing content. On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 10:31:02AM -0500, Albert Sten-Clanton wrote: > Steve, you actually can have Orca speak when you're using gnome-mplayer? > When I kick it in to hear a streaming radio show, Orca's gone as soon as the > show comes on my computer. Sas this happens when I use my normal, Arch > desktop, but not when I use the Vinux CD, I wondered if there was some quirk > in the relevant Arch package(s). > > Thanks for any help. > > Al > > -----Original Message----- > From: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] On > Behalf Of Steve Holmes > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 3:14 AM > To: orca-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: [orca-list] is it possible contro orca behavior via a script > > Like someone else said, the Orca+S key is your friend for the moment. > Just toggle it off before starting the application in question and toggle it > back on when through. I do this when I use gnome-mplayer all the time. > > On 01/26/2011 09:34 AM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: > > Hi all. > > Is it possible to send commands to orca via a script? > > I have a friend that would like turn speech of while some programs are > > executed and turn speech on after execution finish. > > > > He could stop orca using the -q option and start orca after the > > executions but he wouldn't like to hear the welcome message. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > orca-list mailing list > > orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > > The manual is at > > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > > Netiquette Guidelines are at > > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelin > > es Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out > > how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to > help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From steve.holmes88@gmail.com Sun Jan 30 16:16:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ADD9750136 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 16:16:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.137 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.137 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=1.553, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lp5zg+R0ngAm for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 16:16:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-px0-f182.google.com (mail-px0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0035F75012D for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 16:16:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pxi1 with SMTP id 1so858707pxi.27 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:16:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=Q6bQlLbj0isjFv68sIwFP08scU2J3vswE7U7L5Zwa6w=; b=Wgxrwr9BovWM9UiFGezRrreGHZrJ99/2KzDguLHcVgdlkLRr0A1h7ZhWENvxA1NkUH vv4CpIlxvLlo5Sk949gEoM2o1OeA2BC5VpbMsBRZSriaz4MWkkZEDsHCIh77vFnfpdfv t41GvnhlK1ahsUxVGYoOx2ofxZgHZDjRmg/l0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; b=c/AjEyTOicUHowM443gj8nEEgqa3qdSzBEXoIGd3De8wKswF9d+4TcPyae/OYTYirA CYeEkBtPhADKAkW2XD7m9i1enYsvo9Vo64Nhq0q1m0wh2hwXr5f81+gp2RvNc2Afb+wu wxCxulE/47CkQ1klkYKzvkeS5/Hs9QB89nMk4= Received: by 10.142.131.21 with SMTP id e21mr5149819wfd.68.1296404171640; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:16:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from lnx3.holmesgrown.com (ip72-208-185-148.ph.ph.cox.net [72.208.185.148]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c3sm13246581wfa.2.2011.01.30.08.16.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:16:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 09:16:06 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110130161606.GC13564@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110125082948.GA15634@football.tbsaunde.org> <20110128141041.GA25832@football.tbsaunde.org> <4D42DB99.9080304@pickup.hu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D42DB99.9080304@pickup.hu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] (RFC) speaking position in XUL menus X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 16:16:24 -0000 I also like being able to know this information. Any additional info can help learn a new application better. Now I do think it should be optional though because as familiarity increases, one could get around more efficiently with less automatic speech but if you should want the additional information just press the Orca+Enterkey and have that spoken along with counts in radio buttons, list items, etc. On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 04:07:05PM +0100, Hammer Attila wrote: > Hy, > > Trev, possible this is subjective, but for example I like known how > many menu item have a main menu, and what the actual position if I > not known an application or using a new application for first time. > Or, if I opened a main menu with a new application, easy to see how > many main menu have the menu bar when I moning the menu bar without > need pressing any extra command. > I no, where am I spokening this, but if this is possible automatic > way, this is better I think if the speak child position checkbox is > checked, similar with another objects (combo boxes, radio buttons, > etc). > When I doed position index spokening feature (I think before Orca > 2.28 release), I put the positioninList with menu related objects in > src/orca/formatting.py file, and Willie is accepted this before > committed the final implementation. > Joanie, what your openion: need removing position index spokening > for menu objects? For beginner users I think this possibility is > useful for example if not known yet detailed Orca commands, because > known for example the GNOME applications menu how many menu items > hawe the applications menu, and what the actual position in the menu > with an automatic way. > > Attila > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From mj@mjw.se Sun Jan 30 18:37:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D260675017F for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 18:37:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.79 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.79 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mhP3HL3vPbQD for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 18:37:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mjw.se (mjw.se [88.80.28.201]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC88C750177 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 18:37:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mj (81-231-81-75-no36.tbcn.telia.com [81.231.81.75]) by mjw.se (vPostMaster) with ESMTP id DB3083E043E for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 19:37:20 +0100 (CET) From: "mattias" To: Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 19:37:32 +0100 Message-ID: <4099DFB0A35944CF80AEE4FEBE4E0E53@mj> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 thread-index: AcvArMDrrLNAQYqzTUSPN9fgRvwQTg== Subject: [orca-list] solaris X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 18:37:49 -0000 Can anyone give a link to a working solaris with orca? From apinheiro@igalia.com Mon Jan 31 10:05:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 173647500B7 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 10:05:52 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.821 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.821 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iWCGfFpkZ35a for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 10:05:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp4.mundo-r.com (smtp4.mundo-r.com [212.51.32.151]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F568750072 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 10:05:40 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ak4FALUXRk1bdWOb/2dsb2JhbACWVY8Uu1aFTgSMIYNF X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,403,1291590000"; d="scan'208";a="325202063" Received: from 155.99.117.91.static.mundo-r.com (HELO fanzine.igalia.com) ([91.117.99.155]) by smtp4.mundo-r.com with ESMTP; 31 Jan 2011 11:05:38 +0100 Received: from [192.168.13.2] (helo=localhost6) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim) id 1Pjqde-0001A1-My for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 11:05:38 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=localhost) by localhost6 with esmtp (Exim 4.73) (envelope-from ) id 1Pjqde-0006Ok-GC for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 11:05:38 +0100 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 11:05:38 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <20110131.110538.07040277.apinheiro@igalia.com> To: orca-list@gnome.org From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Pi=F1eiro?= In-Reply-To: <20110130075636.GA5253@cujo> References: <20110130075636.GA5253@cujo> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.3 on Emacs 23.2 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] orca/gnome3 shell X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 10:05:52 -0000 From: Michal Zegan > Hey. > How good orca is now when it comes to gnome-shell navigation? November status: http://blogs.igalia.com/apinheiro/2010/11/11/gnome-shell-accessibility-status/ Anyway, several bugs were solved since then, I have in my TODO list write a updated one. In summary after the last patches applied gnome-shell has a11y support, but basic. In englobes the main views, but the main drawback is that the selection changes are not speak out in orca. I'm already working on that [1], with a first "mockup" patch. I will try to solve it soon. BR [1] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=640057 === API (apinheiro@igalia.com) From hammera@pickup.hu Mon Jan 31 15:05:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54F6F7500C8 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:05:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ORH-Hjc8EwD3 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:05:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6A02750072 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:04:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (unknown [89.251.41.70]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id 7BE17E873A for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 16:43:31 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D46CF8E.5030507@pickup.hu> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 16:04:46 +0100 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; hu; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] I see a traceback error message when I ran direct Orca Thunderbird application preference file X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:05:05 -0000 Hy, Following traceback error message is known bug or right with latest uptodated Orca git master version if I run manual the Mozilla.py or Thunderbird.py file with Orca app-settings directory? Traceback (most recent call last): File "Thunderbird.py", line 39, in orca.scripts.toolkits.Gecko.script_settings.controlCaretNavigation = True AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'scripts' Reproducation steps: 1. If have, remove the .local/share/orca/app-settings/Thunderbird.* file. 2. Create again the Thunderbird Orca application preferences file with Orca application-specific preference dialog. 3. Navigate the .local/share/orca/app-settings directory and run Thunderbird.py file with python Thunderbird.py command. I see this traceback error message when I run manual the Mozilla.py file with .local/share/orca/app-settings directory too. If anybody confirming this and need, I reporting this bug. Attila From marionpeter@gmx.net Mon Jan 31 17:14:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E3847500CB for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 17:14:42 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4ZeAjAN8dRx1 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 17:13:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0938B7500C9 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 17:13:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 31 Jan 2011 17:13:46 -0000 Received: from wrzb-5f75bda8.pool.mediaWays.net (EHLO [95.117.189.168]) [95.117.189.168] by mail.gmx.net (mp066) with SMTP; 31 Jan 2011 18:13:46 +0100 X-Authenticated: #15007090 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19sTCt+sZ9sfPlRV3FuWu9xyVTa6LvjwKs1kYND+g Hfz087vV9pLcZo Message-ID: <4D46ED45.7040102@gmx.net> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 18:11:33 +0100 From: Marion Peterreins User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org, ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com, orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D42C7DA.5060404@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <4D42C7DA.5060404@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: Re: [orca-list] BRLTTY does not start automatically since upgrade of my system X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 17:14:42 -0000 Hi all, Since my last mail i've tried several things to get my braille display starting automatically again. First i thought that brltty might not start automatically. So i added it to my /etc/rc.local After rebooting i issued the command ps -A | grep -i ".*brltty" to see if it is running. To my suprise it was even running twice :-) So i removed it from the rc.local again. IN the next step i tried removing and reinstalling the package. When i started aptitude remove brltty it complained about brltty-x11 is broken. After confirming it removed the packages (brltty and brltty-x11). Now i installed brltty and brltty-x11 again. But unfortunatelly without any success.. Currently i have installed brltty 4.1. Would it make sense to install a newer version of it? And how could i get it? I'd prefer to use no testing repositories or something like this bc i use my ubuntu on a daily basis ... Any help / new ideas would be appreciated! Best wishes Marion Am 28.01.2011 14:42, schrieb Marion Peterreins: > Hi all, > > Since I've upgraded my system brltty does not start automatically. > What can I do to make it start automatically again? > > Ubuntu 10.4 > Orca 2.30.2 > > Thanks in advance, Marion! > From shumenda@gmx.de Mon Jan 31 19:48:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AC897500F7 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 19:48:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z9P7fObO+xvO for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 19:48:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 87D067500E9 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 19:48:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 31 Jan 2011 19:48:25 -0000 Received: from port-92-206-223-240.dynamic.qsc.de (EHLO krustenbook) [92.206.223.240] by mail.gmx.net (mp036) with SMTP; 31 Jan 2011 20:48:25 +0100 X-Authenticated: #18503890 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/nNXorPITnyVCM9azOdXEjQ5erKid8a+a5zAhTx3 dHufVZ2qk87vbx Received: by krustenbook (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 31 Jan 2011 20:48:25 +0100 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 20:48:25 +0100 From: Sebastian Humenda To: Orca Mailling List Message-ID: <20110131194825.GA19574@krustenbook> References: <4D42C7DA.5060404@gmx.net> <4D46ED45.7040102@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <4D46ED45.7040102@gmx.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: Re: [orca-list] BRLTTY does not start automatically since upgrade of my system X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 19:48:42 -0000 Hallo Marion, Marion Peterreins wrote on Mo, Jan 31, 2011 at 06:11:33 +0100: >Since my last mail i've tried several things to get my braille >display starting automatically again. Maybe you got no responses so far because this is the orca list, not the BRLTTY list. >First i thought that brltty might not start automatically. So i added >it to my /etc/rc.local This is no good idea, since Ubuntu has its own places where services are started. How do you confirm, that your braille display is not recognized? Does it stay blanc or can you read "screen not in text mode"? Have you already looked into your BRLTTY-configuration, located in /etc/brltty.conf? Maybe the values have changed there during your update. >IN the next step i tried removing and reinstalling the package. When >i started aptitude remove brltty it complained about brltty-x11 is >broken. After confirming it removed the packages (brltty and >brltty-x11). Now i installed brltty and brltty-x11 again. >But unfortunatelly without any success.. Do you need brltty-x11? >Currently i have installed brltty 4.1. Would it make sense to install >a newer version of it? And how could i get it? I don't think so. If BRLTTY has already run with your display, it will again. HTH Sebastian -- Test the free Latin-German dictionary | Teste das freie Latein-Deutsch-Wörterbuch! Online: http://freedict.org/dict?Form=dict3&Database=lat-deu More languages | mehr Sprachen: http://www.freedict.org From bmh1980de@yahoo.de Mon Jan 31 23:52:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5641A7501D2 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 23:52:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.711 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.711 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_PSBL=2.7, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oyp5PMgo+mPI for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 23:52:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm27-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm27-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.139]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 95832750184 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 23:52:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.212.146] by nm27.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2011 23:52:41 -0000 Received: from [98.139.213.11] by tm3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2011 23:52:41 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp111.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2011 23:52:41 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.de; s=s1024; t=1296517961; bh=8r0iF9GMDt+2wqnVT59DDINcfgKS6AgrBggPBsJf8Ek=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=cz6+bHbxKcINOqvMc3XQifXZUckg7pDYPULl55Wbj2l46ubSyrDqQrptgBSE8MtYAej4kOLE0uuMjh3Yw4OH0xvckZZbQtP4yl2nBt4ml0esNmbco9sHssiE7PjoPdTftci/dowI5RvFHmfCTXE50doiIeHR9NCNPm9RB6vqxCM= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 550618.24196.bm@smtp111.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: from [192.168.1.50] (bmh1980de@85.180.185.84 with plain) by smtp111.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2011 15:52:41 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cp5ucI2swBDgt7JRmWe4v_wy5rFT5Q-- X-YMail-OSG: 5RjZi8kVM1n1t8Q5.gy5FGP9b9UbGRbq.wvef50muwpfO0w zXPT12ZJhhdM6nmLP2YuzEJ2qBAiOPezImqmOGWRId6HOnfm1kFJWVgTKo2Q mFg2j_A2Z7qJ3bQo5ZvIZ7UBShlNPTR739hpZKCsA0x9ZbLtgfX8wBnxLNgk fWanHrgbQgS3VlIFKHGWGkethCc3MzKOfUyCgBFZxYxiUWRToduR3QOyLN6I lgb1.qtkQKVVRMRJS6qyRuumsDUgrMt99Y38T X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4D47240B.4070707@yahoo.de> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 22:05:15 +0100 From: Marcus Habermehl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D42C7DA.5060404@gmx.net> <4D46ED45.7040102@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <4D46ED45.7040102@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] BRLTTY does not start automatically since upgrade of my system X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 23:52:57 -0000 Am 31.01.2011 18:11, schrieb Marion Peterreins: > Since my last mail i've tried several things to get my braille display > starting automatically again. [...] > Any help / new ideas would be appreciated! Do you have set RUN_BRLTTY to yes in /etc/default/brltty? For x11-access you have to create /etc/brlapi.key with this command: sudo su - root -c "mcookie > /tmp/brlapi.key" A /etc/brltty.conf seems not to be required since Ubuntu is removing this file from the package. If you need extra parameters to brltty you can add these to ARGUMENTS in /etc/default/brltty. Greetings Marcus From bmh1980de@yahoo.de Mon Jan 31 23:52:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAD337501DE for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 23:52:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.989 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.989 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Um5EeP8Nws7w for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 23:52:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.165]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ACE137501B2 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 23:52:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.212.153] by nm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2011 23:52:46 -0000 Received: from [98.139.213.6] by tm10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2011 23:52:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2011 23:52:46 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.de; s=s1024; t=1296517966; bh=oNhNIma9ZRwqxfpNInfD790YZbzqzhc+PbxH719omgk=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RgVSRsZUBn8w83N7IMgxzCRXHqN7GIjhSaPv+cghORNtaCJBaypTQrSl9XjNmqjmQv3lJRiF6CfZaswhvzrlFnUpN4F/65R9PmGqiYupifUTHcvdPaE5mJBlEhh9GMDqt5k0eIwAqYVexLK/f/HahjzLUeQZ48f3DDxg92KZPAg= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 3212.56863.bm@smtp106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: from [192.168.1.50] (bmh1980de@85.180.185.84 with plain) by smtp106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2011 15:52:45 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cp5ucI2swBDgt7JRmWe4v_wy5rFT5Q-- X-YMail-OSG: e_TymyoVM1kScHlnOoYE0EBVgntBeV.264rGzM48coqBNdA l0T0UgCnCmn1pFMQS4zQ3LJseJZgxvuOsBNJ_gGsdI8DeADzH7sv6kR.Bogo kFjE4vj7k8Beh20jRsqGJ6oy8X8itlKrdFjjmJuRQvZvfwBVsxcT7vCsW91W rnrmyGkP3jK1qDjmA9wmHogrnHUz.a18kqy62nKHuKDqBlZTHH9P8b__.k.X spDPpK5TCNTYFU1O6F2k.C6SNo9BsCPq3VaoIrd_jTbzUhX5zNvpxd59130X mhtBT0eo5mfZlk1o- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4D474532.5090907@yahoo.de> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 00:26:42 +0100 From: Marcus Habermehl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D3761B2.5070507@yahoo.de> <4D402874.3060803@yahoo.de> <4D403921.4090802@pickup.hu> In-Reply-To: <4D403921.4090802@pickup.hu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 23:52:59 -0000 Am 26.01.2011 16:09, schrieb Hammer Attila: > Hy, > > Marcus, thank you the test patch. > My experiences: > because this patch generating more lists, I see little speed > performance slowing for example the vakbarat.index.hu, www.oc.hu > webpages, but this is real because more objects presenting both two > lists if it is awailable. Oldest time I think the list generation time > this webpages is 3 second, now 10 second for example with > vakbarat.index.hu webpage, I not remember now the last speed result with > the #620331 bugreport last awailable patch. > For example now the www.oc.hu webpage with containing lot of elements > this time period is 14 second. My new patch would solve this, if it's acceptable by the devels. > Now right if I seeing only unnamed headings (for example > vakbarat.index.hu, akadalymentes.sg.hu)? Currently my patch is using the already existing functions of Orca to get this informations. For such "special" HTML constructs I will add a fallback function if the main part is done. > If need the distinction, perhaps better moving the unvisited and visited > menu groups below the links submenu, before the paragraphs. An example > webpage with demonstrate this is www.origo.hu/hirmondo. In that case the two-step keybinding wouldn't work. But for me it's no matter. > I see an interesting problem with links submenu related: > If only one link have a mnemonics (for example only one link beginning > with o letter), the link is not opening if I press the o key. Yes, because the new patch is using the Present methos of the structural_navigation. All objects are presented only. I think for links we should go back to the old behavior and open the link. Joanie, what do you think? > "Same question for the form fields. Which are summarized below form > fields, and again classified separately under the type." > Better I think doing future a separate shortcut with doing filtered list > for form field elements. For example, if the user need only check boxes, > enough to press Orca+Ctrl+x. > But if need distinguish form types this menu widget, need doing below > the form fields submenu with a "form fields by type" submenu and put > different form fields elements with this submenu. Demonstrate this > problem with www.google.com webpage. In main menu level seeing a > "buttons" submenu, "entries" submenu and a "form fields" submenu. > Better order with top of main menu related: > "form fields" (when the user pull down this menu, possible see all form > fields) > "form fields by type" (when the user pull down this menu, possible see > form fields with a type ordered submenues). That's the same as with visited/unvisted links. It would break the two-step keybindings. So, which variant would be more advantageous? Greetings Marcus From bmh1980de@yahoo.de Mon Jan 31 23:53:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2759E7501FA for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 23:53:01 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.912 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.912 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, TW_GT=0.077, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hZWnDiz6IHdZ for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 23:52:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm18-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm18-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.138]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 46266750189 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 23:52:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.212.150] by nm18.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2011 23:52:44 -0000 Received: from [98.139.213.3] by tm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2011 23:52:44 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2011 23:52:44 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.de; s=s1024; t=1296517964; bh=ThYqx4Cm/jTBC+dJ6Y/uj4RFPGoinKyaGBWr8F1MF5o=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=Alv6mK57oibjH08vubXgnkT4h7PoEYpnVLVkg0UczshqadBTiz0NU8c02bkaX6lN3H8rQJpEON+n8bQEhF4iNo76SWD32kdAML467IdofcMKPR1ZP6RGhAjZitPru5xl7AkgZ3cKhjLBo5jbw/c0QZKLE6ZLXD1IrnFTzKae4MM= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 315353.49381.bm@smtp103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: from [192.168.1.50] (bmh1980de@85.180.185.84 with plain) by smtp103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2011 15:52:43 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cp5ucI2swBDgt7JRmWe4v_wy5rFT5Q-- X-YMail-OSG: .JDI7JAVM1kZwqyi33JmnjU8SO0QC58dyyF.3DJ6G1xw_Z5 3DSfOytKva8UXyi.STDqKZM11ImdeKAYL16gpBmeWUmwehkUQF112x_d8BfS om5Z3D2_V8_LCqXhGWYj0mweVFp04XxwF7c6ve62XDICzUZRxJm6w1VWtcrl UatBjL3aU0DTfJaRXXpSzGk6wQhlczuqqe7Fk5_mAD2Jl.pCfaaA42ixcnhC kmV4T9HZw86IFgDuB3Sa5DVFlQ.QK0OhPOu8TKJ5GznArZ0.l51oG1s0o7L9 9yj7ihuLevCCuDiH0M18bEiD5vfRB X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4D47412D.4030206@yahoo.de> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 00:09:33 +0100 From: Marcus Habermehl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4D3761B2.5070507@yahoo.de> In-Reply-To: <4D3761B2.5070507@yahoo.de> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060702040805090002020902" Subject: Re: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 23:53:01 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060702040805090002020902 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Okay, here is a second patch for testing. * The new keybinding is Orca+Menu I think this is easy to remember. If this is a bad keybinding, make a suggestion, please. * This patch is using a menu, only I'm using the menu, because we have the two-step-keybindings here. As example Orca+Menu -> h to show the submenu of headings. * Form fields are stored into Form Fields/Form #, where # is a serial number With this structure, a user knows immediately which form fields belong together. * Visited and unvisited Links are stored in Links submenu, only If separeted submenus are desired, they can be added. Currently I have removed them to keep the code short for testing. * Separators aren't listed Since separators haven't a name or label I think it's impossible to navigate by means of separators without any context. * Missing names (Unnamed items) Yes, I know there are sometimes unnamed items. I will fix this if the main part is accepted. Otherwise it's more code to keep in mind. * Performance I have found a solution to show the menu immediately. But I think this will be rejected by Joanie. I remember there was already a discussion about this. To search the objects isn't very time consuming. The longest time was ~ 6 seconds. The time consuming part is to create labels for the objects. Mostly one label needs lesser than 1 second. But if you have many objects the time is noticeable. Because of this I have added some code to Gecko.script.py. The menu is builded in advance if a page is loaded or objects are changed. If the menu is started to build orca will speak the message: "The Object Navigator is created." As soons as the menu is builded orca will speak: "The Object Navigator is ready for use." * Lenght of labels To keep the labels "readable" I have added code to cut them. If a label is longer than 50 characters they are cut and "..." is append to inform the user about this. So what do you think? Greetings Marcus --------------060702040805090002020902 Content-Type: text/x-patch; name="Patch-for-testing-purpose-only-2.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Patch-for-testing-purpose-only-2.patch" >From f4dd8a742e9b74c8f0be1e1de7ae56ecee047ad7 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Marcus Habermehl Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 23:26:30 +0100 Subject: [PATCH] Patch for testing purpose only #2 - this patch adds an object navigator as pop-up menu --- po/POTFILES.in | 1 + src/orca/Makefile.am | 1 + src/orca/object_navigator.py | 298 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ src/orca/scripts/toolkits/Gecko/script.py | 50 +++++ 4 files changed, 350 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-) create mode 100644 src/orca/object_navigator.py diff --git a/po/POTFILES.in b/po/POTFILES.in index a96dd12..8986fd5 100644 --- a/po/POTFILES.in +++ b/po/POTFILES.in @@ -20,6 +20,7 @@ src/orca/keynames.py src/orca/liveregions.py src/orca/mag.py src/orca/notification_messages.py +src/orca/object_navigator.py [type: gettext/glade]src/orca/orca-advanced-magnification.ui src/orca/orca_console_prefs.py [type: gettext/glade]src/orca/orca-find.ui diff --git a/src/orca/Makefile.am b/src/orca/Makefile.am index 891ecac..8df5ba9 100644 --- a/src/orca/Makefile.am +++ b/src/orca/Makefile.am @@ -41,6 +41,7 @@ orca_python_PYTHON = \ mag.py \ mouse_review.py \ notification_messages.py \ + object_navigator.py \ orca.py \ orca_console_prefs.py \ orca_gtkbuilder.py \ diff --git a/src/orca/object_navigator.py b/src/orca/object_navigator.py new file mode 100644 index 0000000..d1b77c1 --- /dev/null +++ b/src/orca/object_navigator.py @@ -0,0 +1,298 @@ +# Orca +# +# Copyright 2010 Marcus Habermehl +# +# This library is free software; you can redistribute it and/or +# modify it under the terms of the GNU Library General Public +# License as published by the Free Software Foundation; either +# version 2 of the License, or (at your option) any later version. +# +# This library is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, +# but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of +# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU +# Library General Public License for more details. +# +# You should have received a copy of the GNU Library General Public +# License along with this library; if not, write to the +# Free Software Foundation, Inc., Franklin Street, Fifth Floor, +# Boston MA 02110-1301 USA. + +"""Displays a list of objects for structural navigation.""" + +__id__ = "$Id$" +__version__ = "$Revision$" +__date__ = "$Date$" +__copyright__ = "Copyright (c) 2011 Marcus Habermehl" +__license__ = "LGPL" + +import glib +import gtk +import pyatspi + +import orca + +from orca_i18n import _ + +OBJECT_TYPES = { + "anchor": _("_Anchors"), + "blockquote": _("Block_quotes"), + "formField": _("_Form fields"), + "heading": _("_Headings"), + "landmark": _("Land_marks"), + "link": _("_Links"), + "list": _("_Lists"), + "listItem": _("List _items"), + "liveRegion": _("Live re_gions"), + "paragraph": _("_Paragraphs"), + "table": _("_Tables") +} + +class ObjectNavigator(gtk.Menu): + def __init__(self, script, enabledObjects): + """Initialize the Object Navigator menu. + """ + + gtk.Menu.__init__(self) + + self._enabledObjects = [] + self._formIndex = 1 + self._menuBuilded = False + + self._script = script + self._speechGenerator = self._script.speechGenerator + self._utilities = self._script.utilities + self._structuralNavigation = self._script.structuralNavigation + + self._convertEnabledObjects(enabledObjects) + + def _buildMenu(self, document): + """Build the menu. + """ + + self._menuBuilded = False + + orca.speech.speak( + # Translators: this message is spoken if the object navigator, a + # list of structural navigation objects, is created. This should + # be the reason after a document is loaded or modified. + # + _("The Object Navigator is created."), + orca.settings.voices.get(orca.settings.SYSTEM_VOICE)) + + # Remove all children before rebuilding the menu. + for i in self.get_children(): + while gtk.events_pending(): + gtk.main_iteration() + + self.remove(i) + + while gtk.events_pending(): + gtk.main_iteration() + + objects = self._getObjects(document) + + for (objType, predicate, present) in self._enabledObjects: + if objType in objects and objects[objType]: + objectMenu = gtk.Menu() + objectMenuItem = gtk.MenuItem(objType) + objectMenuItem.set_submenu(objectMenu) + self.append(objectMenuItem) + + if objType == OBJECT_TYPES["formField"]: + for (form, fields) in objects[objType]: + formMenu = gtk.Menu() + + while gtk.events_pending(): + gtk.main_iteration() + + formMenuItem = gtk.MenuItem( + "_%s" % self._generateLabel(form)) + formMenuItem.set_submenu(formMenu) + objectMenu.append(formMenuItem) + + for obj in fields: + while gtk.events_pending(): + gtk.main_iteration() + objectItem = gtk.MenuItem( + "_%s" % self._generateLabel(obj)) + objectItem.connect( + "activate", self._onActivation, obj, present) + formMenu.append(objectItem) + else: + for obj in objects[objType]: + while gtk.events_pending(): + gtk.main_iteration() + objectItem = gtk.MenuItem( + "_%s" % self._generateLabel(obj)) + objectItem.connect( + "activate", self._onActivation, obj, present) + objectMenu.append(objectItem) + + self._menuBuilded = True + + orca.speech.speak( + # Translators: this message is spoken if the creation of the object + # navigator, a list of structural navigation objects, is done. + # + _("The Object Navigator is ready for use."), + orca.settings.voices.get(orca.settings.SYSTEM_VOICE)) + + return False + + def buildMenu(self, document): + """Build the menu if document is showing. + """ + + state = document.getState() + + if not state.contains(pyatspi.STATE_BUSY) and \ + state.contains(pyatspi.STATE_FOCUSED): + glib.idle_add(self._buildMenu, document) + else: + print document, state.getStates() + + def _convertEnabledObjects(self, enabledObjects): + """Convert the enabledObjects dict to a list to sort the + enabledObjects after i18n. + """ + + self._enabledObjects = [] + + for key in enabledObjects: + if key in OBJECT_TYPES: + self._enabledObjects.append( + [OBJECT_TYPES[key], enabledObjects[key].predicate, + enabledObjects[key].present]) + + if "unvisitedLink" in enabledObjects or "visitedLink" in enabledObjects: + self._enabledObjects.append( + [OBJECT_TYPES["link"], self._script.utilities.isLink, + self._structuralNavigation._visitedLinkPresentation]) + + self._enabledObjects.sort(self._sortEnabledObjects) + + def _generateLabel(self, obj): + """Create a label for a menu item. + """ + + label = [] + + # Translators: this is the name for unlabeled/unnamed objects in the + # object navigator menu. + # + unnamed = _("Unnamed") + + for i in self._speechGenerator.generate(obj, alreadyFocused = False, + formatType = "unfocused", + forceTutorial = True)[:-2]: + if i and type(i) in [str, unicode]: + label.append(i) + + if self._structuralNavigation._formFieldPredicate(obj): + if obj.getRole() != pyatspi.ROLE_PUSH_BUTTON: + if not self._speechGenerator._generateLabel(obj): + guess = self._script.guessTheLabel(obj, False) + + label.insert(0, guess or unnamed) + + if not label: + if self._isForm(obj): + # Translators: this is the label for unnamed forms in the + # object navigator menu. + # + label.append(_("Form %d") % self._formIndex) + self._formIndex += 1 + else: + label.append(unnamed) + + # Don't overload the labels + if len(label[0]) > 50: + label[0] = label[0][:50] + "..." + + return " ".join(label) + + def _getObjects(self, document): + """Get the structural objects that are contained in document. + """ + + objects = {} + + for (objType, predicate, present) in self._enabledObjects: + objects[objType] = [] + + for obj in pyatspi.findAllDescendants(document, bool): + for (objType, predicate, present) in self._enabledObjects: + if objType != OBJECT_TYPES["formField"] and predicate(obj): + objects[objType].append(obj) + + # Form fields are shown in different submenus. + for form in pyatspi.findAllDescendants(document, self._isForm): + formFields = pyatspi.findAllDescendants(form, self._isFormField) + objects[OBJECT_TYPES["formField"]].append([form, formFields]) + + return objects + + def _isForm(self, obj): + """Is obj a form or not. + """ + + return obj.getRole() == pyatspi.ROLE_FORM + + def _isFormField(self, obj): + """Is obj a form field or not. + """ + + return self._structuralNavigation._formFieldPredicate(obj) + + def _isLink(self, obj): + """Is obj a link or not. + """ + + return self._structuralNavigation._unvisitedLinkPredicate(obj) \ + or self._structuralNavigation._visitedLinkPredicate(obj) + + def _onActivation(self, menuItem, obj, present): + """This will be executed if an item is activated from the menu. + """ + + # Be sure the menu is destroyed + while gtk.events_pending(): + gtk.main_iteration() + + present(obj) + + def showMenu(self, timestamp): + """Show the menu and select the first selectable item. + """ + + while gtk.events_pending(): + gtk.main_iteration() + + if self._menuBuilded: + self.show_all() + self.select_first(True) + self.popup(None, None, None, 0, timestamp) + else: + orca.speech.speak( + # Translators: this message is spoken if the object navigator, a + # list of structural navigation objects, is requested but still + # not yet created. + # + _("The Object Navigator is under construction."), + orca.settings.voices.get(orca.settings.SYSTEM_VOICE)) + + def _sortEnabledObjects(self, a, b): + """Sort the list of enabled objects basing on the label, but + without the mnemonic indicator. + """ + + nameA = a[0].replace("_", "") + nameB = b[0].replace("_", "") + + if nameA < nameB: + return -1 + elif nameA == nameB: + return 0 + elif nameA > nameB: + return 1 + diff --git a/src/orca/scripts/toolkits/Gecko/script.py b/src/orca/scripts/toolkits/Gecko/script.py index 17f3548..49043a4 100644 --- a/src/orca/scripts/toolkits/Gecko/script.py +++ b/src/orca/scripts/toolkits/Gecko/script.py @@ -79,6 +79,8 @@ from orca.orca_i18n import _ from orca.speech_generator import Pause from orca.acss import ACSS +import orca.object_navigator as object_navigator + _settingsManager = getattr(orca, '_settingsManager') ######################################################################## @@ -283,6 +285,8 @@ class Script(default.Script): self.preMouseOverContext = [None, -1] self.inMouseOverObject = False + self.objectNavigator = None + def activate(self): """Called when this script is activated.""" self.savedEnabledBrailledTextAttributes = \ @@ -299,6 +303,12 @@ class Script(default.Script): _settingsManager.getSetting('allTextAttributes') _settingsManager.setSetting('allTextAttributes', self.allTextAttributes) + if not self.objectNavigator: + self.objectNavigator = object_navigator.ObjectNavigator( + self, self.structuralNavigation.enabledObjects) + self.objectNavigator.buildMenu( + self.structuralNavigation._getDocument()) + default.Script.activate(self) def deactivate(self): @@ -384,6 +394,15 @@ class Script(default.Script): self.inputEventHandlers.update(\ self.structuralNavigation.inputEventHandlers) + self.inputEventHandlers["showObjectNavigator"] = \ + input_event.InputEventHandler( + self.showObjectNavigator, + # Translators: the Object Navigator is a pop-up menu that + # presents the structural navigation objects within a + # document as menu with submenus. + # + _("Show the Object Navigator.")) + # Debug only. # self.inputEventHandlers["dumpContentsHandler"] = \ @@ -657,8 +676,18 @@ class Script(default.Script): for keyBinding in bindings.keyBindings: keyBindings.add(keyBinding) + keyBindings.add( + keybindings.KeyBinding( + "Menu", + settings.defaultModifierMask, + settings.ORCA_MODIFIER_MASK, + self.inputEventHandlers["showObjectNavigator"])) + return keyBindings + def showObjectNavigator(self, script, event): + self.objectNavigator.showMenu(event.timestamp) + def getAppPreferencesGUI(self): """Return a GtkVBox contain the application unique configuration GUI items for the current application. @@ -1450,6 +1479,11 @@ class Script(default.Script): such example would be the programmatic insertion of a tooltip or alert dialog.""" + if not self._loadingDocumentContent and self.inDocumentContent(obj) \ + and not event.andy_data: + self.objectNavigator.buildMenu( + self.structuralNavigation._getDocument()) + # If children are being added or removed, trash our saved guessed # labels to be on the safe side. # @@ -1507,6 +1541,10 @@ class Script(default.Script): def onDocumentLoadComplete(self, event): """Called when a web page load is completed.""" + + self.objectNavigator.buildMenu( + self.structuralNavigation._getDocument()) + # We care about the main document and we'll ignore document # events from HTML iframes. # @@ -1518,6 +1556,10 @@ class Script(default.Script): def onDocumentLoadStopped(self, event): """Called when a web page load is interrupted.""" + + self.objectNavigator.buildMenu( + self.structuralNavigation._getDocument()) + # We care about the main document and we'll ignore document # events from HTML iframes. # @@ -1531,6 +1573,11 @@ class Script(default.Script): Arguments: - event: the Event """ + + if not self._loadingDocumentContent and event.source_name != event.any_data: + self.objectNavigator.buildMenu( + self.structuralNavigation._getDocument()) + if event.source.getRole() == pyatspi.ROLE_FRAME: self.liveMngr.flushMessages() @@ -1862,6 +1909,9 @@ class Script(default.Script): if not obj: return + self.objectNavigator.buildMenu( + self.structuralNavigation._getDocument()) + # When a document tab is tabbed to, we will just present the # line where the caret currently is. # -- 1.7.1 --------------060702040805090002020902-- From bmh1980de@yahoo.de Mon Jan 31 23:53:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E44347501FD for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 23:53:02 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fFp4E9jfi8S6 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 23:52:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm25-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm25-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.156]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AAEC1750184 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 23:52:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.212.150] by nm25.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2011 23:52:47 -0000 Received: from [98.139.213.12] by tm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2011 23:52:47 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp112.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2011 23:52:47 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.de; s=s1024; t=1296517967; bh=gFZpEBHyJi1t19bvLcHvngRn2k+nA6sY5hqsALJsao0=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=VAXJgYuh3EI5j1vAKuJYqcGzDNn2W3jKQEroK7Eb0HNplqdeW5vwy/7eY+ltiL2vqomOjex2n+Tzb6MeInA3zwpjh4cjvYrG+pe/3EUHwREKsXKJm1HjdOq3/r2yB5SRHhmG+cDZfflLRKCPNK8eB/OOsttO5REJpK+D/2gaRvs= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 715480.57114.bm@smtp112.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: from [192.168.1.50] (bmh1980de@85.180.185.84 with plain) by smtp112.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2011 15:52:47 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cp5ucI2swBDgt7JRmWe4v_wy5rFT5Q-- X-YMail-OSG: BoO_HdEVM1lP8M_iJxbWsQrZiTEVxAu3XgbeopknhuDU1nH e_viK6UzPIqsjTg_oqXhWl2lKJr.dFiyU6vNZ3dNae1sIOew.SAmh0XxCaX8 UT7BZtFIO3tySNnVn0A8BKthVS0hm4.RE6Aa9DIGrxU1IZK7h0_JfcN0Y8YU EDy.O1AjN5hzMIP_J3lsGRB8OHr3Spl1btRIO7RpUDH45l_MJqbYPPOuV5mE H X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4D474B3E.6010902@yahoo.de> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 00:52:30 +0100 From: Marcus Habermehl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Whapples References: <4D3761B2.5070507@yahoo.de> <4D37AA47.80808@gnome.org> <20110120043847.GB12357@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <20110120065137.GA24412@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> <4D398B3F.60105@yahoo.de> <20110121161003.GD633@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> <4D3ABB4B.2010103@aim.com> <4D3B3EDF.9080500@yahoo.de> <4D3D3909.7010300@aim.com> <4D40151F.1030708@yahoo.de> <4D403B7A.3060606@aim.com> In-Reply-To: <4D403B7A.3060606@aim.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 23:53:03 -0000 Am 26.01.2011 16:19, schrieb Michael Whapples: > Hello, > You say you don't get the number of keypresses argument. Here goes: As I > have stated in previous messages your list idea is certainly optional in > use, I gave myself as an example of someone who never needs to use it > and others also have said so, we can get around web pages perfectly fine > with the previous/next element keys already existing. You mentioned flat > review, which I have shown is needed, and so possibly deserves the space > of the numpad as it currently occupies. Optional features generally I > don't think should dominate the keyboard so much unless they have a > strong reason. [...] I think I have misunderstood you. You have written key presses, as I see now. But I was thinking you are talking about keybindings/shortcuts. Sorry. > Now to my comment that we are dealing with orca in gnome. My point here > is that it doesn't matter what other screen reader users do, those > screen readers have their own history for why certain things went > certain ways and possibly have different target audiences. As an example > to this, users of windows screen readers are more likely to include > those users who just want to buy a computer and for things to work, > where as Linux users are more likely to want to explore/modify/tweak > there computer systems. I think a strong proposal for features for orca > should be strong independent of what other screen readers do, so should > not need reference to what other screen readers do and should deal with > such questions like: Why might an orca user want it? How does it improve > on what orca does at the moment? This is largely true. But in case of this lists it's an existing feature request in bugzilla and it's part of Orca's roadmap. Therefore, I am sure that this isn't such an useless feature. However, I agree that we can save keybindings if we using the menu, instead of the treeview. Greetings Marcus From shumenda@googlemail.com Mon Jan 31 17:54:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B81E7500ED for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 17:54:31 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RFC_ABUSE_POST=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rr+NZmMh5DnP for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 17:54:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A26787500C9 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 17:54:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so5946514bwz.27 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 09:54:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=Trphlx+s//y+FrxJLOnYEF7AGkuYjMjniXlJta8f0ls=; b=IYlHA74/21InfMxlfIqZXGA2AbPtb4JqNYIOfqTcIgzSUa6H8m3ySsGU9DUc4JhNOx 8/39GXk3R/IHUPldRYZZVXtz9H+ZXUrYqGg0v4BPhiqYhqAcK3AIJhJRz2sJVjzXGOb3 77U0rxBFUXEZFiHGeFSCzcalJBVBOlQ+Xsb3A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding :in-reply-to:user-agent; b=Bb8wCNVDfdISS1GacGFP3a69ttBCWfSvtBqrQuIRDw646Mkp017meg8luS8C6NrheT y9Rmon57C0ECAd3gfad8M8efYN5tLfszgB8yCUVkkBmtLhs1SuQk5MB51nhPcbdm+QMo y8zHduRinsuNGm9X93Z4AgUuDe6ZrZRHhiRio= Received: by 10.204.82.84 with SMTP id a20mr5674245bkl.154.1296496458383; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 09:54:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from shumenda@gmail.com (port-92-206-223-240.dynamic.qsc.de [92.206.223.240]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b6sm10427541bkb.22.2011.01.31.09.54.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 31 Jan 2011 09:54:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by shumenda@gmail.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 31 Jan 2011 18:54:13 +0100 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 18:54:13 +0100 From: Sebastian Humenda To: Orca Mailling List Message-ID: <20110131175413.GP2258@krustenbook> References: <4D42C7DA.5060404@gmx.net> <4D46ED45.7040102@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <4D46ED45.7040102@gmx.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 16:57:28 +0000 Subject: Re: [orca-list] [OT] BRLTTY does not start automatically since upgrade of my system X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 17:54:31 -0000 Hallo Marion, Marion Peterreins wrote on Mo, Jan 31, 2011 at 06:11:33 +0100: >Since my last mail i've tried several things to get my braille >display starting automatically again. Maybe you got no responses so far because this is the orca list, not the BRLTTY list. >First i thought that brltty might not start automatically. So i added >it to my /etc/rc.local This is no good idea, since Ubuntu has its own places where services are started. How do you confirm, that your braille display is not recognized? Does it stay blanc or can you read "screen not in text mode"? Have you already looked into your BRLTTY-configuration, located in /etc/brltty.conf? Maybe the values have changed there during your update. >IN the next step i tried removing and reinstalling the package. When >i started aptitude remove brltty it complained about brltty-x11 is >broken. After confirming it removed the packages (brltty and >brltty-x11). Now i installed brltty and brltty-x11 again. >But unfortunatelly without any success.. Do you need brltty-x11? >Currently i have installed brltty 4.1. Would it make sense to install >a newer version of it? And how could i get it? I don't think so. If BRLTTY has already run with your display, it will again. HTH Sebastian -- Test the free Latin-German dictionary | Teste das freie Latein-Deutsch-Wörterbuch! Online: http://freedict.org/dict?Form=dict3&Database=lat-deu More languages | mehr Sprachen: http://www.freedict.org